Good News

Game will never reach saturation point. There are too many disbelieving betas like this guy trying to gain status nipping at the heels of his betters.

(Link sent by an anonymous reader as a BOTM submission. It didn’t qualify, but it did get its own post.)





Comments


  1. That was actually pretty funny.

    Like


  2. That’s damn impressive. Wow.

    Like


  3. Don’t be too hard on these guys, Roissy. After all someone needs to absorb her tears and complaints.

    Like


  4. Haha, push her into traffic. Hot. Serial Killer Game.

    Ahem.

    Anyway, I don’t think this guy specifically qualifies but in general, couldn’t some “naturals” denigrate some aspects of Game from a “There is nothing you can do to emulate my greatness. You and your silly tricks. Peons!”

    Also: Game is about primarily generating sexual attraction in women, isn’t it?

    Like


  5. [Next time, push the girl you like into traffic, to show how little you really care.] – Feldman

    Obviously he’s never heard of flirting.

    On the other hand an emergency room first date is never fun.

    Like


  6. from the article: “According to pickup lore, every pickup trainee must pick a unique name. I believe it’s so their mothers never find out their children grew up they way they did. They believe it’s for intrigue.”

    You would not BELIEVE the swoons I get from broads when I introduce myself as “Cannon’s Canon.”

    Like


  7. He’ll never get to do this:

    http://www.tube8.com/teen/teen-anal/171767/

    Anal sex with barely legal broads is alpha as shit.

    Like


  8. Haha what a douchebag. I love it when people who have no concept of game and the community try and make a logical argument against by making fun.

    These are the betas I was talking about a few posts back in my comment. These men have little to no success with women, and even though there is an answer right in front of their eyes, their inordinate fear of failure stops them from giving anything else a shot.

    Instead, they see others having some success with methods that are ILLOGICAL to the male brain. Not wanting to put in any effort on themselves because of a low self-esteem, they pick apart behaviors of those who are having success and try to make themselves look/feel superior with outlets such as newspapers, the internet and television.

    Sad, really sad. That guy will die alone. Or he will end up a supreme herb who gets a weekly allowance and sex once a month from his wife.

    Like


  9. on September 1, 2009 at 12:53 am The Fifth Horseman

    I maintain that 80% of men and 99.9% of women will never, ever, ever comprehend Game. Even if they see it in the field. Even if they are locked in a room with an instructor that drills it into them.

    They will never, ever get it. Nor should they.

    Game is the preserve of those at the very top of Maslow’s hierarchy. The self-actualized people. The outside the box thinkers (OTBs).

    I do suspect that those who condemn Game are ones who secretly suspect it does work. Why else go out of your way to condemn it? These Betas are distinct from those who are indifferent to it because they think it is no more real than sorcery.

    The market of men who can be taught Game is about 20%, though, so the theoretical market is still far from saturated.

    There was only one woman who ever really was a reputed and respected instructor in the Seduction community ecosystem, and that was Kim McFarland. This was the only woman who got it, taught it, and was supportive of it. There really has been no other.

    Like


  10. on September 1, 2009 at 12:55 am The Fifth Horseman

    Also: Game is about primarily generating sexual attraction in women, isn’t it?

    Primarily Yes, but not exclusively.

    Game also helps in associated areas like not getting cheated/swindled/emotionally ruined by a woman, which this culture is engineered to do to the average man.

    Game is like being a 3-dimensional creature in a 2-dimensional society.

    Like


  11. The Chad-Man highly approves of palm-reading, handwriting analysis and magic tricks.

    But that’s irrelevant. “Game” is simply the study of which behaviours are most effective at making women attracted to you. You can make a case for palm reading etc being dorky and weird, thus bad game, but unless you claim women make their dating choices based on some combination of immutable physical attractiveness and randomness, Game will always work, by definition.

    But all this is getting a little too complex. the Chad-Man tries to avoid thinking too hard about his Game.

    Peace.

    Chad

    Like


  12. You would not BELIEVE the swoons I get from broads when I introduce myself as “Cannon’s Canon.”

    If YOU experience that, imagine what *I* get.

    Like


  13. couldn’t some “naturals” denigrate some aspects of Game

    a lot of manginas do this, and yeah it could work during the comfort stage of seduction to build a tighter bond with particularly PC-drenched fembots, or with emotionally hollowed sluts who’ve had one too many game-playing alphas pump and dump them.

    Game is about primarily generating sexual attraction in women, isn’t it?

    there is no other kind of attraction between men and women that isn’t reliant on the prior establishment of sexual attraction. without sexual attraction, no love, no affection, no loyalty. not even friendship, in all but the most exceptional circumstances.

    Like


  14. I don’t know why someone would pay money for this stuff – outside of a book or two.

    I’ve actually never really done much “game” myself and think a lot of it is stupid. Much of the criticism seems to be of the quirks of Mystery himself. But don’t forget that his first career is literally being a magician and he’s just an entertaining silly guy. So his over the top BS fits him.
    Semi-austistic douchebags no doubt follow his shit literally and probably flail around because the are not a world-class performer like Mystery.

    But what seems to REALLY work is being more confident, assertive, and playful – especially to a far greater extent than what one’s innate intuition programs you with. The silly tricks of game do put women at ease with having fun with you and it helps to be seen as a potential lover rather than a friend.

    The touted rules of “game” are surely an oversimplification of complex courting/mating behavior, but they are probably a better constructive model than anything else that I’ve seen. Mystery and others deserve a lot of credit for identifying and popularizing many things that can prevent quality men from getting overlooked by quality women.

    Like


  15. Cannon’s canon pointed west
    shooting towards
    the Canadian best

    I can’t believe I’m NOT the only girl who swooned at seeing your name. Jeepers.

    *all attempts to mimic Firepower are owned and operated by moi

    Roissy thanks for the bed time snack, nice. 🙂

    Like


  16. and i’m tired enough to not change my name… aoefe above… heh heh

    Like


  17. on September 1, 2009 at 1:11 am The Fifth Horseman

    I believe that seminars for Game, while a booming business, are no longer needed.

    I went to a couple back in 2002-03, but in those days, seminars cost $600, vs. $3000 or more today.

    There are enough books and blogs to learn the material in. No seminar can get a man over the approach fear hump – that can only be done by real-world practice. Joining a lair and going out with a wingman can help this.

    Video of actual pickup steps can speed up the learning. But I don’t believe one should pay $300 for a 90-minute DVD. There is enough on YouTube.

    But a seminar is totally not needed. If a man can do daytime approaches, then every other area of Game can be practiced regularly.

    Like


  18. Naturals should be the most vocal opponents of game, since they have the most to lose. Betas should be as pro-game as they come, since they have a world to gain (“throw off your self-limiting beliefs!”).

    But in reality, betas either embrace game, or become it’s most vigorous enemies.

    My personal theory: Men (and I use the term loosely) like the author of that article hate having personal responsibility for their own poor lot in life thrust in their face. The existence of Game, and the idea that they could improve their relations with women through conscious effort disrupts their self-conception as noble, but poorly-fated rom-com good-guy archtypes.

    Naturals have a positive, opportunity-seeking attitude to all aspects of their lives. Game is a tool for self-improvement. That’s why naturals with the brains and analytical nature necessary for success with game are attracted to it, and use it successfully.

    Like


  19. [i]there is no other kind of attraction between men and women that isn’t reliant on the prior establishment of sexual attraction. without sexual attraction, no love, no affection, no loyalty. not even friendship, in all but the most exceptional circumstances[/i]

    Disagree. You don’t have female friends who help you out in your dating, career, and social life? You don’t know girls who for whatever reason you can’t/won’t date but whose company you enjoy?

    Like


  20. Like, for example, a female friend who could teach me how to italicize stuff in blog comments.

    Like


  21. “If a man can do daytime approaches, then every other area of Game can be practiced regularly.”

    I’m still a bit of a dweeb outside of day “game”, which I’m pretty darn good at now. Dating myself, I used to call it “scamming” before I had heard of “game”….I still freeze up at clubs and stuff – it doesn’t help that I’ve got to drive back so I can’t have enough to take the edge off. And I’m not smooth at all in either case but its hard to do wrong in day game.

    And I’m loosing some incentive to practice… I’m fairly happy with the ‘other woman’ that I’ve got and ‘having’ is better for me that ‘shopping’. Unfortunately I will probalby sink back down into pussy-whipped betatude and will loose what I have and have to get my mojo back once again.

    Like


  22. on September 1, 2009 at 1:24 am The Fifth Horseman

    Naturals should be the most vocal opponents of game, since they have the most to lose.

    Most ‘naturals’ are naturals only to the extent of a) not being needy/clingy/overly polite/a pushover, and b) having no hesitation in doing kino escalation.

    These 2 things alone are often enough to do well, to the extent that other guys are impressed with the naturals’ results. But this is still only a fraction of the rich system of Game skills.

    Actually, a natural who discovers Game is usually the one who benefits the most from it, as he sees how many opportunities he may have been passing up, and can expand his practice into areas he previously did not consider. A natural does not have approach anxiety, so he benefits much sooner than a Beta who is starting from square one.

    Men (and I use the term loosely) like the author of that article hate having personal responsibility for their own poor lot in life thrust in their face.

    Bingo. That is why SWPL Manginas and socialcons (aka Betacons) are really converging into the same thing.

    Like


  23. on September 1, 2009 at 1:27 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Tood

    Game is the preserve of those at the very top of Maslow’s hierarchy.

    Nah. I’ve never been above the bottom floor of the pyramid. I’m perfectly content with food, sex, homeostasis, and excretion, thx.

    Like


  24. “You don’t have female friends who help you out in your dating, career, and social life?”

    upon re-reading i was a little unclear. i meant that friendship between men and women is impossible outside of very limited circumstances, and that intersex friendship is more likely to form where at least one party, usually the man, is sexually attracted to the other.

    Like


  25. on September 1, 2009 at 1:29 am The Fifth Horseman

    I’m still a bit of a dweeb outside of day “game”, which I’m pretty darn good at now. ”….I still freeze up at clubs and stuff

    I am the opposite. I often freeze up in daytime approaches (even though I have had surprisingly good reactions when I do manage to do daytime approaches).

    But in a club, I have no problems. I often can get my hands all over a woman’s ass while dancing, within 60 seconds or less of initiating dance with her. This is without even names or any other words being exchanged. Makeout usually follows.

    Unfortunately I will probalby sink back down into pussy-whipped betatude

    Another big trap that happens to most GamesMen. Even Mystery fell into sobbing OneItis at least once, possibly twice.

    Like


  26. On topic, and possible BOTM candidate:

    http://tiny.cc/dyWDi

    Click to 2:15 for the best part, but the whole thing is worth watching

    Like


  27. “But in a club, I have no problems. I often can get my hands all over a woman’s ass while dancing, within 60 seconds or less of initiating dance with her. This is without even names or any other words being exchanged. Makeout usually follows.”

    Good for you… but it’s just not my style at all. I’d be paranoid that the chick is a skank if she let me do that. I guess that’s why I like day game… I can quickly weed out the skanks during the day and I think I’m genuinely motivated. The last thing I need is a psycho skank. I also only get turned on by solid eye contact flirting with a chick and it’s too hard to see that in a club.

    Like


  28. i meant that friendship between men and women is impossible outside of very limited circumstances, and that intersex friendship is more likely to form where at least one party, usually the man, is sexually attracted to the other.

    Positing this claim is a pretty bold one to make, though I guess I should expect nothing less at this point. I would argue the exact opposite: intersex friendship can ONLY occur when NO sexual attraction exists. When sexual attraction exists, things inevitably get fucked up: you being dating, you see each other naked, you break up, you can no longer be friends. Even if the attraction is one-sided, he will make this known even in subtle ways, or worse yet, explicit ways, and make the girl uncomfortable. As a natural corollary, she will distance herself from him and they will no longer be friends.

    Like


  29. Chad:

    I remember having trouble on the connection between sexual attraction and love. I remember roissy saying once, that If you place your hand on her chest right after you kissed her and it was beating rapidly, then she is or will be in love with you.

    Then I realised that romantic love as it exists on Earth from the point of view of a female. Yes. That’s true.

    So, hmm? There’s a significant emotional component to female sexual attraction.

    My idea of sluts or at least a percentage of them is that they’re Drama Queens. Very good at generating their own emotional content, but keeping it short-lived by e.g. cheating, forcing dramatic breakups. Is that an accurate idea?

    Try not to be friends with the opposite sex. Yes, I agree with that. Very much so for women. Female commits the crime of (Unwitting for the clueless) Beta/Omega Torture, as well as having to suffer unwanted attentions. Neither side is happy.

    Like


  30. Click to 2:15 for the best part

    that video was hilarious. fat guy with manboobs is classic omega. “eventually, yes.”
    tucker max came across kind of idiotic on stage.

    I would argue the exact opposite: intersex friendship can ONLY occur when NO sexual attraction exists.

    this is mostly true. for man-woman friendships to work, there ideally should be no mutual sexual attraction. however, there are plenty of betas who bottle up their blue balls just to experience the vicarious thrill of celibate boyfriendiness with a cute girl. so while the beta keeps his true feelings under wraps a “friendship” with a woman can develop, however scarring it turns out to be to the beta’s mental health.

    Like


  31. I like to be friends with chicks that I think are hot. Sometimes there just isn’t chemistry for me or for her but it still is great to be friends still because you learn more about chicks when you hang out with them and these chicks can provide you with social proof of other hot chicks. In fact I’m so homophobic that I have trouble forming decent friendships with men so an unusually large portion of my friends happen to be doable chicks.

    Like


  32. “Female commits the crime of (Unwitting for the clueless) Beta/Omega Torture…”

    There’s a way to cure that. Of course there’s always the out of me being “taken”… but even before that I handled that.

    If I’m not popping wood for a chick or she’s not gina tingling for me I just look her int he eye and explain to her that I don’t really want to get in her pants unless I’m drunk. I’ve even said that I like hanging with you ’cause I want to get in your sisters/friends pants and need chick help picking out clothes because I’m not “metro”… (well “metro” wasn’t a word then but you get the idea).

    Like


  33. Roissy,

    From the friendships I have experienced with said betas, and those that I have witnessed from the perspective of betas, their interest for the female party is usually transparent. He will make his attraction for her known by doing really grand, sweet gestures, especially by being a shoulder for her to cry on when she goes through a string of other guys in front of his eyes. If they go out for lunch, he will pick up the tab. The woman has to be totally oblivious not to take note of these habits. I would argue most women usually take advantage just for the emotional outlet, and also to feel desired by someone. Especially in a time of post-breakup even if they would never reciprocate the desire or act on it.

    Feeling desired never gets old.

    Like


  34. I could write better than that twerp, and I can certainly tell you that I never went to an ivy (yet). Roissy puts him to shame, in both style and context, though he is at times a bit sophomoric.

    [editor: it’s my only weakness.]

    Like


  35. I should add those friendships are totally unhealthy, and hence, I wouldn’t count them as true, and balanced friendships. I have to profess to being formerly guilty of the exact same habits just to feel externally validated. In fact, I would dangle other men I was with in front of beta male friend, just to watch him burn with envy. It used to make me feel great in a perverse, entertaining way. Totally broken of the habit though. I will be the first to admit it’s destructive.

    Like


  36. Of course my previous post neglected the problem of “stalker chicks”.. I have 2 “stalker chicks”…fortunately all live thousands of miles away and are from so long ago. I guess facebook provides them with their outlet. So I have fucked the friendship thing up when I got drunk and did the deed. This is why you should only be friends with hot chicks who aren’t psycho.

    Like


  37. I didn’t think Tucker Max would be mentioned in the article, since he’s not a PUA. While Tucker does talk about running game, as far as I can tell he’s always been a natural, and doesn’t use any “technology”.

    The author writes for a newspaper of a second rate Ivy-league wannabe college, so I’m not entirely surprised at the mistake. Or he’s just being a typical beta, and putting on the blinders when presented with an example of a sexually dominant alpha male. Whatever the dysfunction, it’s lead to a very poorly researched article, and not funny in the least. Good example:

    “I imagine Tucker Max is married and spends nights teaching math to his kids so they don’t grow up tools.”

    Tucker is currently travelling around the USA, doing a promotional tour for his movie. He’s fucking chicks every night, and blogging about it regularly on the website for his movie: http://www.ihopetheyservebeerinhell.com/blog/

    Not that it matters to the author: for simple psychological health, a beta MUST be suspicious and hateful of anyone who is even mildly successful with women. It’s not surprising that guys like Tucker Max attract so much obsessive hating from the internet-beta-snark community.

    Like


  38. On M-F friendships…

    I am friends with a few of my exes, some friends’ girlfriends, my sister’s friends, and two girls who I am attracted too and would like to sleep with, but they have boyfriends and have (so far) proven immune to my charms. I agree that the man-fawns-over-girl-he’s-secretly-in-love-with types of friendships are unhealthy, but I don’t have a problem hanging out with girls I want to fuck, but can’t for whatever reason.

    I don’t know how tongue-in-cheek JerrDog is being, but yeah, I also admit that it feels and looks good to be the guy hanging out with a bunch of hot chicks.

    Anyways regardless of my own experience, I agree that 95% of intense, hetero M-F friendships exist because of the man’s unhealthy and unrealistic belief that their friendship will turn out just like this or that rom-com. Avoiding such friendships is good advice for the nascent playboy.

    On Tucker Max…

    Agreed. But he’s on stage, in real life, under his own name, trying to sell books and movies. I’m guessing his true feelings towards those protesters aren’t so rosy. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but I can almost feel the cognitive dissonance when he speaks, and it reminds me of my own attempts to pass as a person with normal political views in my real life.

    [editor: that’s exactly the impression i got. major cognitive dissonance. all he had to say was “if two people are drunk, there’s no rape, no matter how much the girl regrets it later. if the chick doesn’t like that fact of life, she shouldn’t get shitfaced.” end of story. that wouldn’t have quelled the protestors, but it would have delighted his fans.]

    Considering that he’s an overwhelmingly honest and popular advocate for sane gender relations, I think we can forgive him a few pretty lies here and there.

    Like


  39. “In fact, I would dangle other men I was with in front of beta male friend, just to watch him burn with envy. It used to make me feel great…”

    I some ways that is mean… like teasing on the playground. But no REAL man should ever be jealous of another man.

    There have been chicks I’ve wanted who have had other guys (Yes even JerrDogg has played the fool) but I never really cared much about it because I wouldn’t really want to be the other guys. Sure I’d like to get the chick… but I’ve never really met a guy that I’d like to truly switch places with. Maybe I’d like to switch an attribute or two (I’d be fun to be 3 inches taller, a billionaire, etc…) but never the WHOLE package.

    And since no REAL man should be truly jealous, this sort of teasing if done at younger age teaches boys to wise up and not kiss a chicks ass. So I wouldn’t feel too guilty about it. Your hot ass is provided an early education that the beta man (if he’s not an idiot) won’t repeat.

    Like


  40. JerrDog,

    Yeah, it was really mean. And I feel awful looking back on it now. As a woman, getting attention is a great feeling, but something that needs to be tempered. When you grow out of your teen years, it becomes less of an addiction because you’re more secure with the way you look, etc.

    Like


  41. “Basically, abandon everything that came naturally to you.”

    And yet there is no mention of how doing everything that comes ‘naturally’ is working out for this guy.

    What is ‘natural’ anyways? Unless you’re retarded, you’re not born designed to behave a certain way. It’s all learned behavior.

    If I’d learned to mumble and piss myself or even puke on girls (a la Stan) every time I talked to them I suppose I should just go with that and act ‘natural’ instead of working on a better first impression and some self-control?

    What an idiot. The whole point is to improve your natural behavior and mannerisms from something wimpy and repulsive to something strong and desirable.

    I’m not there yet, but I’m working on it.

    Like


  42. Sofia,

    Yep… I was a major league jerk to all chicks when I was in high school. I was only nice enough to be popular with everyone but behind the scenes with chicks, I was a big jerk. And YES, it did get the chicks. Oh well, now I know better.

    Like


  43. I would argue most women usually take advantage just for the emotional outlet, and also to feel desired by someone.

    In contrast, I’m using her as an emotional outlet, and I like the attention and having a dinner or activity companion that doesn’t come across as gay. Admittedly, I would argue that it’s easier to do it with women that you don’t have any or little attraction toward.

    Like


  44. At what I believe is a “Game” forum, one guy starts blasting some of Roissy’s commenters who he considers racist. He visited Whiskey’s blog and then explicitly mentions OneSTDV and HalfSigma as extreme right racists engaging in pseudoscience (calling Sailer a racist too).

    An interesting discussion follows. I always love when outsiders find the Steveosphere. Maybe they should start with Origin of Species where Darwin says racial intelligence, psychological, and physical differences are so obvious that they needn’t even be researched.

    Some of Roissy’s readers are fucked up

    Like


  45. It’s easy to be outraged about misogyny when you’re so far behind the 8 ball (in college and never seen a vagina) there are 11 year olds with more sexual experience than you.

    Sickening.

    Like


  46. Re: Male-female friendships – Blue(ish) Balls are probably involved in quite a few of those. Except:

    – Childhood friends. Anti-incest circuitry seems to make these ones quite feasible.

    – The long-term GFs of close friends (that you don’t want to screw over). You can still do some flirting of course, but as long as you keep it piano, it can work pretty well imho.

    Like


  47. Not believing in game is one thing. Being skeptical that game would work for, or could be taught to, a large portion of men is another thing.

    I was talking to a friend the other day, who gets a lot of tail, about this. He has flipped through “The Game” in the bookstore but that is about the limit of his familiarity with it. He said he was pretty much agreement with the concept of the neg, and he described how he figured it out at 13.

    I told him I thought that was a difficult concept that would only work for an advanced PUA. He said, “No, it’s basic, and it’s really all that works.” I’m not sure if he meant the neg exactly or just the idea of being totally cocky and not caring, but he was in agreement.

    I think a lot of it is genetic and is based on high testosterone and natural social dominance. His dad also got a lot of tail. Guys who get a lot, always seem to have dads who got a lot, if I know them well enough to know something about their families. Promoters of game tend to believe in HBD, so logically if many traits are genetic and resistant to teaching and socialization, game would be too.

    In my experience, the only thing that works is experience. You learn to deal with women by spending a lot of time dealing with women. Everything about women is counterintuitive; so weird as to be impossible to apply the theory, but once you have experienced it, so obvious that the theory is unnecessary.

    Like


  48. jerrrdog

    “Good for you… but it’s just not my style at all. I’d be paranoid that the chick is a skank if she let me do that. I guess that’s why I like day game… I can quickly weed out the skanks during the day and I think I’m genuinely motivated. The last thing I need is a psycho skank. I also only get turned on by solid eye contact flirting with a chick and it’s too hard to see that in a club.”

    The chick is definately a skank if she let you do that. But theres so many around these days you might as well

    Like


  49. OneSTDV

    I always love when outsiders find the Steveosphere. Maybe they should start with Origin of Species where Darwin says racial intelligence, psychological, and physical differences are so obvious that they needn’t even be researched.

    I would recommend later editions of “The Descent of Man”.

    Like


  50. “Everything about women is counterintuitive; so weird as to be impossible to apply the theory, but once you have experienced it, so obvious that the theory is unnecessary.”

    Actually, methinks that once you have a good Darwinian framework running for your thinking, most things about women are rather intuitive.

    As for genetics, well, the concept of the natural is well-entrenched around the pickup-sphere. But there is definitely a category of male who can improve tremendously through learning Game. Especially smarter men stand to gain a lot, as it is smart men who have been fooled the most by the equalist nonsense that is disseminated by the establishment.

    Now, why is that? Being smart is a mixed blessing. While it makes it easier for you to incorporate non-obvious truths into your thinking, it also makes you more vulnerable to non-obvious untruths.

    To illustrate this, let’s think of computers. While complex, re-programmable and network-capable computers are more capable in the realm of computation and communication, they are also more vulnerable to malicious code.

    In social terms, well, the natural high-T dumb alpha is pretty damn unlikely to give a fuck about feminism, no?

    And since smart guys are more vulnerable than high-testosterone dumb guys to malicious notions such as equalism, they have a lot to gain from being de-programmed by guys like Roissy.

    Like


  51. Adam Carolla’s brilliant rant on the Beta husbands of today vs the men of Mad Men’s time. Go to the link, right click the podcast to download it and go to the 43:00 mark to here it.

    “I think women need boundaries…..contain her. Get out the net like they did on The Planet of the Apes….come up on her on the horse…BOOM”

    The rest of the podcast is about some dork who searches old movies for nipples.

    Like


  52. on September 1, 2009 at 6:50 am unfrozencaveman

    As haters go, this guy’s not that bad, almost funny even.

    Like


  53. on September 1, 2009 at 8:00 am ProgressivesAreMorons

    The guy is a jackass. Take a look at his facebook photo: http://www.facebook.com/yevgeniy.feldman

    This guy is a textbook SWPL and herb. I wouldn’t be surprised that after writing this smug piece he got on his fixed gear bicycle with his messenger bag and rode down in a self-satisfied manner to his local chapter of a Marxist/Feminist/Environmental Society to participate in drinking lattes, plotting for the downfall of America, all while secretly wanting to bang the unshaven she-bitch chapter leader (who is a former Rhode island socialite that alternates Christmas between being gangbanged by South American peasants/NGO workers, and fireside foreign policy chats in the Hamptons).

    Like


  54. i meant that friendship between men and women is impossible outside of very limited circumstances,

    And when it is possible, it is worthless. What need does a man have for a female “friend” who is so hideous that he doesn’t feel the slightest sexual attraction to her? Why do I want or need to be friends with Cigstache?

    Like


  55. Well, this guy sucks but I would rather be him than some dude who honestly uses magic tricks in bars.

    Like


  56. @ Willard

    DUDE neither Adam Corrolla nor MadMen are at all alpha.

    MadMan is a gay-feminist parody of what men should be and Adam Corrolla is a WashingtonPost/NYT/JonStewart hippie.

    Like


  57. Basically, abandon everything that came naturally to you. If you currently walk on the side of the curb, as gentlemanly standards suggest, stop. Next time, push the girl you like into traffic, to show how little you really care.

    Here the guy actually gets it – yes, you absolutely should abandon all the lessons and conditioning that society, the media, and your family inflict on you about women. However the author fails to understand that what comes “naturally” these days in the realm of male-female relations is profoundly wrong, and that’s why it’s necessary to abandon it.

    Like


  58. on September 1, 2009 at 9:41 am It's My First Day

    What the hell am I talking about? I am talking about “the pickup.” In matters of love we’ve all struck lucky once or twice. If that’s not enough for you, there are self-help books to help you strike lucky every single time.

    I think the line above in bold is the most telling in the whole column. What a sad and limiting outlook. So it’s all “luck”, eh? Did his Grandma tell him that? Pathetic.

    Like


  59. fatalism and luck are the ultimate loser mentalities. the thing losers hate about game is the same thing they hate about capitalism–the notion that you can take the bull by the horns and DIRECT the course of your life and succeed rather than going with the flow or inheriting some advantage

    Like


  60. Roissy,

    Any man who thinks that men are less important than women deserve what they get. Fortunately, the west is filled with idiots like him..

    Like


  61. dana,

    The real problem with capitalism comes from the implicit zero-sum assumptions in it’s traditional forms. If one could create a version that did not have those zero-sum assumptions and factored in human behavior, it would work very well.

    Unfortunately, in it’s current form it is doomed, just like any other zero-sum ideology which ultimately runs out of stuff to eat and starts eating itself.

    Like


  62. yeh lucifer–those 4 words weren’t intended to be a fully fledged critique of anti capitalism

    the zero sum problem is neurological, the luck and fatalism problem are a character flaw

    Like


  63. What’s truly ironic is that the guy writing this “shocking exposé ” of PUA game in our very midst most likely did so because the thinks that by doing this public service for women he’ll be appreciated for his efforts (not like “other guys”) and they’ll reciprocate in kind with spread legs. Cap’n Save a Ho writ large on a social scale.

    Fail.

    Like


  64. “I imagine Tucker Max is married and spends nights teaching math to his kids so they don’t grow up tools.”

    Tucker is currently travelling around the USA, doing a promotional tour for his movie. ”

    Tucker is indeed doing that, as he was in my town last night. Cool dude, and I think it’s hilarious that this dumbass compares him to Puas.

    Anyway, we need these bottom feeders to be the beta providers. Cheers to “dumbass author” for his forced celibacy so I can go out and fuck bar skanks. 🙂

    Like


  65. on September 1, 2009 at 10:34 am Alpha Male of the Year

    Terrence McCoy.

    Went on a date. Had the girl pay for it. And then took off–stole– the girl car from her.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/01/terrance-mccoy-worst-date_n_273671.html

    Like


  66. on September 1, 2009 at 10:53 am Richard Manspear

    This is news to who?

    People are incredibly stupid. They always have been. They always will be.

    If there is one thing in life you can count on beyond death and taxes, it is that people will always screw it up with things that could help them, and will never learn.

    Like


  67. Chad69

    On Tucker Max…

    Agreed. But he’s on stage, in real life, under his own name, trying to sell books and movies.

    How delightful to see the “Men’s Self-Help Movement” pitching its tent and taking The Big Show to even college campuses now; it’s as if, some mad, marketing maniac discovered provoking neckbeards and feminist fugs on YouTube would make such grand publicity. Shocking. Genius. Original.

    The circus atmosphere was productive to PT Barnum. Every group needs a barker or huckster cashing in before academics encroach – and stamp their Ph.D’s on book covers to sell even more copies… but, of course, in the even greater, lucrative mainstream popular press.

    Who will be the next scion of credibility? Tony Robbins, Billy Mays, Vince – or nondescript, interchangeable “Zero Down Mortgage Guy?”

    Perhaps…you.

    Like


  68. In social terms, well, the natural high-T dumb alpha is pretty damn unlikely to give a fuck about feminism, no?

    In my observation, “giving a shit about feminism” is the purview of the cognitive elite class. Neither the average man NOR WOMAN gives a shit about feminism – or at least this cannot be discerned from their behavior. I think the wholesale adoption of hiphop culture by white prole America in the ’90s and ’00s is a testament to this.

    The reason why I think feminism actually works in discouraging suburban, higher-IQ beta males is precisely because of a hidden appeal to intellectual vanity. It isn’t only the implied threat of being “bad”, but the implied carrot stick of being “smart” that causes a great number of the clueless to follow the piper.

    Like


  69. I have commented on this before, but this article brings it up for more discussion and I’d like to hear what others think:

    I think perhaps the worst things that has happened in the PUA world is that the first real PUA celebrity happened to be a magician before hand.

    Magic does not need to play a role in being a PUA. For some really nerdy guys, maybe using magic in a masculine way is a step in the right direction, but for most it is a step back.

    Its sad and not 100% correct to associate PUA with magic, but unfortunately its not 100% incorrect either.

    Like


  70. Just as there are plenty of women for whom umpteen amount of plastic surgery won’t make them beautiful so too there are plenty of men for whom ‘game’ won’t make them appealing. I’m sure if Roissy tried to take D. Alexander ‘under his wing’ and tried to teach him ‘game’ then Roissy would give up before too long.

    Like


  71. fatalism and luck are the ultimate loser mentalities.

    beautiful

    Like


  72. I think as with any body of knowledge, you have to figure out what the essentials are vs. merely the author’s idiosyncracies incorporated into the system.

    What I got out of Mystery was the different stages of seduction made explicit. Now that shit is universal. A lot of the specifics was sorta “blah blah blah” (i.e. it never quite took, maybe because it isn’t universal at all.)

    Frankly, on the whole I find Gunwitch superior to Mystery — if he had promoted himself as much and as early as Mystery, put out as many products, etc. he probably could have been just as “big”. His audio course is damn good.

    Like


  73. Skipping Spouse to Spouse Isn’t Just a Man’s Game

    Provocatively, the character sketches of the male versus female serialists proved to be inversely related. Among the women, those with the greatest number of spouses were themselves considered high-quality mates, the hardest working, the most reliable, with scant taste for the strong maize beer the Pimbwe famously brew. Among the men, by contrast, the higher the nuptial count, the lower the customer ranking, and the likelier the men were to be layabout drunks.

    Like


  74. Poor Yevgeniy Feldman — a real life Nathaniel Schnerdling (that was a great name, BTW).

    What we are seeing here is cognitive dissonance as the edifice groans and cracks under the weight of reality. As the “sugar and spice” image of women dissolves in a torrential flow of lust, men who have never considered it was otherwise are having extreme reactions of distress.

    Like


  75. Game will never reach a saturation point because most of the males who read about it are too gutless to apply what they learn.

    Like


  76. ok, seriously–i’m done with Austeria

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/014110.html

    if reading this does NOT show you christianity is a religion fit only for women and slaves–what will?

    Like


  77. Yevgeniy Feldman is the perfect representative of the Cornell student body.

    Like


  78. I think that certain aspects of game will eventually become overexposed, most namely magic tricks and other easy to execute routines. As I’ve said before, the magic tricks and routines are already all over TV (The PUA, MTV’s Made), and soon enough, the most common tactics will eventually be in chick magazines. The media an dpop culture is slowly, but surely, catching up. If I remember correctly, wasn’t there a ” The Game” movie in the works? Not sure what happened to it, as I haven’t hear anything about it in awhile.

    Now that I’ve said that, I do find routines useful for teaching new guys. It gives them confidence knowing that they have something that works. However, after they’ve approached for awhile, I recommend that all men drop their routines and switch to natural or direct style game. You can never be called out on your BS if you aren’t using BS to pick up women.

    It also amazes me how many idiots out there assume that game and the seduction community only consists of guys who use Mystery Method style game, so even if MM/routine style game is overexposed, there will be other systems to fall back on. Game as we know it will become overexposed, but whenever it is, there will be something new. It is not a static process.

    Like


  79. Dana – Auster is good on race/politics/crime/immigration and such. His dabblings in science and theology need to be ignored just like Camille Paglia’s goofy celebration of multiculturalism is best ignored.

    Christianity is done right when it’s sword in one hand, cross in the other.

    Like


  80. agreed–jesus was alpha, what does that make his followers? women, beta and omega

    selah

    Like


  81. “Yevgeniy Feldman”

    At Cornell.

    like, whoodafiggered, bubby.

    Schlemiel.

    since dana is very married to Supergoy, I prefer my Yiddish circumspection ala
    Jackie Mason

    Like


  82. These guys focus on the surface stuff, and they rightly see that the surface stuff doesn’t have muchof anything to do with being successful.

    The magic trick or palm reading (or whatever surface schtick that one adopts) is largely irrelevant. It is the person – and personality – behind the schtick is the entirety of whether you’ll succeed or not.

    If you have to the personal presentation down, and show real personality with some flair, then you’ll do well and it doesn’t matter what the particular schtick is.

    Like


  83. Dana – that post is why I nominated Auster for BOTM.

    Just sickening.

    Like


  84. PA agreed, however–when was the last time we saw christianity like that? longgg time ago

    Like


  85. Dana: we’ll see it again. It didn’t go anywhere.

    By the way, on a note of levity, a few years ago I went to a friend’s daughter’s baptism in some Evangelical church in Baltimore. The minister was… well — I couldn’t figure out if it was a man or a woman. I knew not his/her first name, just Rev. [last name].

    He/she spoke in the middle octave, had smooth cheeks like a normal middle aged woman or a very cleanly shaved man… Neither tall nor short, rather stocky of built and I wasn’t sure if those were breasts or Costanza man-tits slightly bulging forward.

    The preponderance of evidence (at 51%) pointed to it being a woman. Finally, this was confirmed when I saw the church bulletin and she had a woman’s first name.

    During the baptism ceremony, she made your standard churchy-PC sermon, going on about how she hopes that this little girl will grow up in a world where there is peace, justice, love (blah blah blah); and then added “… and in a world where people are accepted regardless of their race, gender, or sexual orientation.”

    The devil walked among the pews unseen, and laughed hard.

    Like


  86. At the Zenith of PUA’s assimilation into pop culture, my screen credits shall include Game: The Mystery of Style or, alternately, Game: The Style of Mystery. Either one works – just the English aesthetics need finalizing. And approval from the great talents involved.

    At Hollywood parties, Paris will ask: “Nice mood ring – where are you from?” while sipping her Bollinger. Instant pre-selection. Then, I’ll flip the attraction switches on Megan Fox.

    Still, that’s a lot of work, just to meet Madonna…

    Like


  87. on September 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm Comment_Whatever

    Off-topic, I believe oil is going to make another run at 75. Maybe it will drop like a rock, but it doesn’t seem like it.

    Lots of switches have flipped for Down, but I’m feeling less confident about the late August/Early September prediction.

    However, it really should drop in September at some point.

    If it drops like a stone this week or the next, I won’t be surprised, but it may pop one more time to.

    Like


  88. chad69

    My personal theory: Men (and I use the term loosely) like the author of that article hate having personal responsibility for their own poor lot in life thrust in their face. The existence of Game, and the idea that they could improve their relations with women through conscious effort disrupts their self-conception as noble, but poorly-fated rom-com good-guy archtypes.

    The Cornell paper’s author is probably a higher beta. He can write decently and has some social intelligence. He probably has a girlfriend who’s probably heavily feminist indoctrinated; how many elite college girls aren’t? Particularly the middling attractiveness sorts who would likely be bf’s to higher betas?

    So what he’s doing is currying favor with his gf and friends. He thinks it’s getting him continued pussy and praise. Well it no doubt is getting him praise from his gf and friends, and the pussy isn’t being immediately cut off.

    To learn game would require some work and entail some risks for him currently fembot relationship. Certainly he thinks so.

    Hence his sellout before buying in. Actually it seems he does have some inkling that game can work but buys the feminist view that it only does by deception and then only on some weak girls – who it’s wrong and male oppressive and just not lefty cool to exploit; but rather frat guy, nascent Republican to do so.

    Like


  89. Isn’t it “tenets” not “tenants”? Just asking.

    Like


  90. The Fifth Horseman

    I maintain that 80% of men and 99.9% of women will never, ever, ever comprehend Game.

    The evidence from this board suggests otherwise, on the girl front.

    I’d say of the girls that have come her and stuck around for awhile, the majority have gotten that game works. They may feel that some aspects of it, the most canned and stiff etc. wouldn’t work on them; nonetheless they can feel that lots of it does work, from analogy to what HAS attracted them.

    This doesn’t apply to the heavily ideological feminists who occasionally come in her to unload for awhile, usually not too long. But it does apply to a majority of others. E.g. Bhetti, aoefe, Dana, kim, Dreamer, KassyK, finefantastic, paperdreamer, even OMW (from her fundamentalist Christian perspective she feels the player philandering enabling of game is socially destructive and immoral but that some of the techniques do work and can enable a man to attract and keep content and attractive wife). Hell even Hope now I think says game does work on most women, just not ones like her very well (and she doesn’t like it). Ok Chic Noir and Sara not so much. Though even Sara I think realizes it can work in at least some men’s hands. She’s just deeply hostile to it enabling players to play.

    Like


  91. Betas will always be in denial. Using game requires effort. You must approach women. You will, at first, receive more rejection than acceptance. Rejection stings.

    Betas are incorrigible pussies. Just as fatties will always say, “Dieting doesn’t work,” betas will always renounce game.

    It’s much easier to rationalize away your patheticness than to reflect upon the reality of one’s cowardly nature.

    Like


  92. for what reason am i supposed to read auster? to tell me NAMs are stupid and violent? pass. i’ll just play some old cypress hill.

    Like


  93. Learned Betatude is like alcoholism: some won’t admit they have a problem until they hit rock bottom. When I first came across Game (via Doc Love), I was somewhat offput by it; it took me a few days of some sustained reading of the archives and some introspection to get it through my earwax.

    Like


  94. on September 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1,

    The evidence from this board suggests otherwise, on the girl front.

    This is a self-selected group here. Even among the list you mentioned, only 3 or 4 have been here in the last 30 days.

    Some still can’t get it after months and months. Chic Noir, who granted is not the brightest bulb in the box, has zero concept of what Game even is.

    Bhetti, Aeofe, Dana, Nicole, and Sofia get it, yes. Perhaps they are part of the 0.1%.

    But ‘getting it’ is only part of the story. Being able to discuss it constructively and informatively is another thing entirely. Could any of them actually *teach/explain* the basics of Game to a willing novice man? Probably not.

    Accepting that it works and being amicable towards Game vs. discussing Game in knowledgeable detail are still far apart.

    As I said before, there was only ever one woman who actually became a bona-fide and well-regarded instructor within the seduction/Game ecosystem. Just one.

    Like


  95. The first lesson I had to learn in order leave lesser Beta status was that I was indeed lesser Beta. Once the problem is understood, then one can work on it.

    To remain in denial of the problem is to remain emersed in the problem. These guys seem thoroughly wedded to their denial.

    I don’t claim more than upper Beta status even now, but that is a vast improvement (I can see Alpha from here, and it isn’t out of reach). But I operate several steps in life above where I was relegated before. And it is good.

    Like


  96. Wow, Yev sounds pissed.

    Like


  97. on September 1, 2009 at 1:16 pm Cannon's Canon

    i revisited the tucker max stories via bittorrent last night and this morning. ten years ago, most of the chapters were up on his website and produced many hearty guffaws. a decade later, i realize i have been spoiled by roissy’s eloquent prose. and while the theme here is less humorous (and less sophomoric), i’ve racked up a good number of my own ridiculous stories since then.

    tucker max’s distinction to me was not simply that he came from money, but that his parents offered almost nothing by way of resistance, almost a montessori-style college and graduate experience. my friends had a (rather lame) phrase for it: when you know your parents “got your back FOR LIFE.” plenty of us were blessed with a family parachute that we knew would give us a soft landing if we tried and failed at various stages. tucker max described himself as if he did not even have to try at anything.

    obviously, such complete absence of anxiety translates to interpersonal relationships. i know two guys who also fit this mold: parents not just with blank checkbooks but an eternal clean slate. coincidentally, they both bang some very hot chicks.

    Like


  98. Learned Betatude is like alcoholism

    BS. Alcoholism is cool.

    Like


  99. @ Comment_Whatever

    everyone can give calls

    what I like on you is the conspiracy theories. Why is the cabal bringing it to 75?

    Like


  100. are the conspiracy theories

    Like


  101. Learned Betatude is like alcoholism: some won’t admit they have a problem until they hit rock bottom.

    Some of us would rather have a drinking problem than to deal with your real world and it’s “women”.

    Like


  102. on September 1, 2009 at 1:25 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Betas are incorrigible pussies. Just as fatties will always say, “Dieting doesn’t work,” betas will always renounce game.”

    I feel like that’s a good litmus test, if a beta is willing to accept at least some of game’s tenants, even if he doesn’t peacock, do palm reading, or memorized canned lines, but recognizes how women function, he is usually going to be elevated in status somewhat.

    If he goes into denial and writes about it in his college newspaper, we have a natural born slimey beta supplicant.

    Like


  103. Yevgeniy Feldman – sounds like a Russian Jew, probably a son of immigrants. Since I am one as well, I am somewhat of an expert on the type. Typical mama’s boy, mom wears the pants in the family, likely a weak or henpecked husband failed to provide much of a male role model for the son. It will probably take years out of mama’s clutches to get any sense into him, although he’s too bright to be a hopeless case. If he doesn’t do something idiotic like marry too early, he’s going to be a gamer in his mid to late 20s.

    Like


  104. i must protest, im a euro jew and had a domineering mother who ran the show and a henpecked father and it made a man out of ME! oh, hey…wait…

    Like


  105. I’ve run across a website called The Female Misogynist (she alternatively calls herself “a male chauvinist”. I REALLY recommend a bunch of you check her out. She writes excellently and she’s got lots of her own slant and take on things insights. In some ways she reminds me of Camille Paglia, though she’s even more hostile to feminism, and female victimology, and even more praising of the qualities of masculinity and the male mind – and work motivations.

    She like Paglia is a lesbian, but the opposite of the man hating kind. She doesn’t actually hate women, traditional woman that is, but rather feminists. She sees herself as essentially an odd, but not absolutely unique duck. She could be called part of the Roissysphere but she’s not in the least derivative and seems to have only discovered Roissy some considerable time after she started doing her own antifeminist blogging.

    Some posts of hers I’d recommend to start with:

    What Society Needs From Men and Women

    Sure, females do better in school.

    “But men are still in chaaaaaarge!”

    Patriarchy: Its Benefits For Women

    Women don’t belong in the workplace

    Like Roissy and perhaps even more so, she is given to some hyperbole for dramatic effect. But it’s clear she’s doing that and really she’s just avoiding muddingly the waters by throwing in qualifiers all over the place. (E.g. she doesn’t really believe that NO women belong in the workplace; rather than family should be the vast majority of women’s first priority and that the workplace should not have been made over nearly so much to suit the delicate sensibilities of women who entered it in mass numbers at higher levels beginning in the early 1970s.) She also uses the fact that she can get away with more as a woman and a lesbian even in attacking feminism and praising straight men, very much including so called beta men, so she does.

    Like


  106. Roissy, thank you for posting up Mr. Feldman’s op/ed piece. And while I deeply appreciate the comments, I noticed that no one really refuted Mr. Feldman’s claims in point for point fashion. Since Game is indeed gaining ground worldwide, I felt it necessary to do my part to clear the air (and it serves as a good chance for me to keep my Game analytical skills sharp) by responding, point for point, to Mr. Feldman’s comments:

    FELDMAN: Ladies, if a guy ever comes up to you and starts doing magic tricks, resist being impressed. It will be a struggle, but if you can overcome your hard wired instincts to get aroused by the “guess which number I’m thinking” game, you will have struck a victory for women’s empowerment.

    OBSIDIAN: Mr. Feldman’s tossed several things on the table here, so let’s begin at the Beginning: what, exactly, is “Game”? It is a proven, codified body of knowledge, concepts and behaviors, designed to win the *sexual attraction* of a Woman. This is the basis of ALL Male to Female interaction, and has no “moral compass” in and of itself, nor is it an end unto itself-it is merely a means. It is completely up to the Man in question to determine how he will use this highly effective tool-he can be a Libertine, a devoted husband, a good boyfriend. He can use Game to attract just one Woman, or a truckload. The choice, is totally up to him-and therein lay Game’s greatest strength, for it gives a Man options-sexual options, from which all other aspects of Male-Female relationships flow.

    Now, having said that, what Mr. Feldman refers to above are elements of what is perhaps at this point the biggest and/or widest known “school” of Game/Pickup called the Mystery Method, named after its creator, Mystery, who was indeed a magician. Mystery’s system teaches not only how to approach a Woman, but more importantly, how to approach a group of Women, since per the MM, the hotter the Woman, the greater chance she is likely to be among other Women. This is because Women are inherently more socially aware and sensitive than most Men walking around. Moreover, the magic tricks and the like are what are called “Demonstrations of Higher Value”-ways to show your social worth and dominance over not only other Men in the immediate area, but over your intended “Target” and her friends. The reason why this is necessary is because Women are also hardwired to want to partner up w/a Man who has shown that he has more social dominance than everyone else in the area.

    F: If after reading that, you suddenly feel attracted to me, don’t worry. I just ran game on you.

    O: It has been shown and proven that Women do indeed enjoy such things done over the course of an approach; some refer to these things as “Chick Crack”. And they are quite powerful lures in one’s Pickup Arsenal.

    F: What the hell am I talking about? I am talking about “the pickup.” In matters of love we’ve all struck lucky once or twice. If that’s not enough for you, there are self-help books to help you strike lucky every single time. Written by Pick-Up Artists, they reveal the secrets of love. Specifically, there are things you can do to a girl that will instantly make her attracted to you. What kind of things, you might be wondering?

    O: The very use of the term “lucky”, as in “getting lucky”, has ALWAYS been applied to MALES in the Courtship process. It not only reflects the evolutionary truth of the inherent difficulty of the Male to get laid, but it also speaks to the millennia-long “mystery” that was figuring out exactly what did and did not work when it came to successfully bedding Women. Game has finally taken the guesswork out of the process. No more “getting lucky”. A Man can indeed get laid and more, if he wants, with the Woman or Women, he wants. That’s what the various products and services pro PUAs provide to those who want them.

    F: Magic tricks. Palm reading. Handwriting analysis. If you’re feeling lonely at 3 a.m. on a Friday night, grab a pen and some paper and head for the nearest club. Girls love to hear truisms about their handwriting while they’re dancing.

    O: Again, all of the aforemention is considered “Chick Crack” and are also considered “DHVs” as well. See above.

    F: Yes, this is ridiculous. The first step in the program is to create an “avatar” for yourself. I don’t even need to stretch my brain to make fun of these tools. Of course it doesn’t work. Of course it’s a scam. It’s a scam because a Pick-Up seminar costs several thousand dollars to attend. And to someone who has no social skills to begin with, being told that palm reading is a great way to introduce yourself to people might shatter an already fragile psyche.

    O: Yes, that’s true, if said person is “intructed” in the way you describe. However, and this is someone who’s attended a few seminars personally, I can say that’s not what goes on at such gatherings, nor was that what Neil “Style” Strauss himself said at his very first meeting with Mystery in his NYT bestselling book The Game.

    But yes, choosing a “seduction name” is often the natural course of events once one has dedicated himself to learning and applying pickup. However, such names aren’t always chosen by the person himself-often a name can be given to him, based on certain traits or actions on his part. Style for example, was given that name by Mystery; my own seduction name, “Obsidian”, was given to me by an observer who likened what he thought was my smooth style and laidback ways to the volcanic mineral substance itself. Personally, I think of seduction names in the same way that I think of the pilots in Top Gun, who all have “call signs”: Maverick, Goose, Iceman-its fun and not that deep, really.

    F: There is a show on VH1 called The Pick-Up Artist. It is hosted by the greatest PUA in the entire world, “Mystery.” According to pickup lore, every pickup trainee must pick a unique name. I believe it’s so their mothers never find out their children grew up they way they did. They believe it’s for intrigue.

    O: Sometimes, anonymity has its advantages. And yes, Women DO love intrigue. Can’t say much about the VH1 show, though. Never seen it. Not much of a tv watcher, I’m afraid.

    F: Maybe you want to try it out for yourself. Are you a freshman? Does hooking up with a blacked out sorority girl present a major challenge to you? You need to develop some game. There are a few central tenants you must follow.

    O: It must be noted that college freshman aren’t the only ones signing up for Game classes; it cuts accross all walks of life, and it is not unusual to see manjor business leaders, officials in local and federal gov’t, etc to be among the participants in a seminar.

    F: 1. Never, ever, be friends with a girl. You want to avoid the “friends zone.” You want to be in the “no-friends zone.” Have no friends.

    O: This is because being “LJBF’d” (Let’s Just Be Friends) by a Woman is the de facto end of your chances to get with her sexually. Game is about winning the *sexual attraction* of the female. Once a Woman considers you a “friend” you are out of the running, and it is next to impossible to get out of said Friend Zone. Game teaches ways and methods to effectively put accross the message that you as a Man has a sexual interest in a Woman, and how to “escalate” from there.

    F: 2. Dress flamboyantly. This is called “peacocking.” It adds to your intrigue if you are, for example, wearing a top hat. You always want to keep girls guessing whether that lacy black button-down is yours or your boyfriend’s.

    O: Yes, “Peacocking” is based on Mystery’s in-field testing and research, rooted in Nature, where the Males display, and the Females choose. For humans, it means that in order for the Male to be successful, he must stand out in some way from all the other Males in order to win the attention of the Female. Peacocking, the wearing of eyecatching clothing, is one way to do that.

    F: 3. Play hard to get. If a woman ever approaches you, ignore her completely. This is the only way to win her respect. And whatever you do, don’t ever go all the way. If you want to get laid, getting laid is the worst thing you could do for yourself.

    O: I am not familiar with the teaching that “not going all the way” is the surest bet to get laid. That said, I’m not against it either, as I am not personally a fan of “SNLs”, or Same Night Lays. Nevertheless, what yove spoken to above is what is known as Supplication-a Male being overly gracious, politie or paying attention to the Female. This is considered a Demonstration of Lower Value, and a sexual buzzkill for most Women. This is why Game teaches to avoid “supplicating” oneself to a Woman, especially early on in the courtship dance.

    F: 4. Be a douchebag. Making fun of things proves you are a man of greater value. Wait a minute …

    O: “Asshole Game” is predicated on the notion that high value Males have little need or indeed, awareness of, observing the niceties of everyday life, because they are, well, high value Males. People defer to them, not the other way around. And often, brusque Males tend to get farther with Women than mild mannered, Clark Kent-types.

    F: Basically, abandon everything that came naturally to you. If you currently walk on the side of the curb, as gentlemanly standards suggest, stop. Next time, push the girl you like into traffic, to show how little you really care.

    O: Again, I am not familiar with the teaching of Game that says to do this, and in any event, I have and continue to be gentlemanly with no dropoff in my Game whatsoever; if anything it exponentially increased once I had a firm grasp of the underlying principles of Game. As noted above, there is a big difference between being a gentleman, and supplicating oneself. Game showed me the difference.

    F: PUAs would argue that learning these pickup techniques advances you as a human being, if nothing else. If you have trouble meeting girls, you can at least gain confidence using these techniques to meet new people. Can the advice in these training materials really help you grow? To quote the TV show, “Never let the window to ‘sexualize’ it go out the door.” Take that and put it in your self-help book.

    O: This is exactly what Style himself says in his book The Game, and I can personally back him up on this. A big part of a Man’s life lies in the sexual area. A confidant Man is almost invariably one who gets laid. A lot.

    The Obsidian

    Like


  107. Holy shit, the guy who wrote that piece sounds like he’s still pissed that the girl he was pining for in college slept with the douchebag frat-boy. Doesn’t she have standards? Doesn’t she know he’s “bad for” her?!

    Look, I find frat-dudes as annoying as the next person, but I’ll say this about them: they don’t put chicks on pedestals. (Usually).

    This guy is not just ignorant, he’s haughtily, dismissively ignorant of even rudimentary game, and thus ignorant of a (good chunk of) human nature. Yet he sees fit to lecture and tsk-tsk.

    What a toolshed.

    Like


  108. dana

    i must protest, im a euro jew and had a domineering mother who ran the show and a henpecked father and it made a man out of ME! oh, hey…wait…

    Why do Jewish families so often fall into this pattern, or something close to it, no matter how successful the man is in his work?

    Why have leftist/liberal Jews so much sought to impose this on the rest of us in the form of Culturally Marxist based feminism which they spearheaded and evangelized most of all?

    Of course if WASPs and others SWPL lefties hadn’t gone along and joined it never would have happened. Still, seems to be a strong impetus from this corner of the elite in the media and so on.

    Like


  109. Cannon’s Canon wrote:

    “tucker max’s distinction to me was not simply that he came from money, but that his parents offered almost nothing by way of resistance, almost a montessori-style college and graduate experience. my friends had a (rather lame) phrase for it: when you know your parents “got your back FOR LIFE.” plenty of us were blessed with a family parachute that we knew would give us a soft landing if we tried and failed at various stages. tucker max described himself as if he did not even have to try at anything.

    obviously, such complete absence of anxiety translates to interpersonal relationships. i know two guys who also fit this mold: parents not just with blank checkbooks but an eternal clean slate. coincidentally, they both bang some very hot chicks.”

    I have a friend that behaves this way. His parents are loaded, and he does things that your average guy would not due simply because he doesn’t have his parents to save him, fund him, and bail him out whenever he does something wrong. Said friend of mine is always getting into bar fights and getting kicked out wherever he goes. He also has a few failed businesses, but it doesn’t matter, his parents will just give him more money. The Tucker Max lifestyle of being a complete dick and taking outrageous risks just isn’t feasible for men that don’t have money to fall back on. That being said, I love his stories.

    Like


  110. doug

    in the shtetl jewish women ALWAYS worked and contributed financially and had a great deal of say IN the home. divorce has always been allowed in euro judaism even instigated by the woman (fault grounds thoughm natch). the marriage contract (kethubah) really WAS a contract, and handled as such–with divorce damages and dowry disposition written in.

    the dream match in the shtetl was supposedly a woman of merchant stock who worked by taking in laundry and selling things while supporting a “scholar” (yeshiva bucher) who studies talmud all day.

    feminism has always cracked my up with its plea to “allow” women to work and “allow” women into colleges etc. my maternal grandmother worked like a dog next to my grandfather 7 days a week at their grocery store for decades and my paternal grandmother somehow magically acquired a phd in the 50s all without the help of betty friedan and germaine greer

    Like


  111. Madras

    MadMan is a gay-feminist parody of what men should be and Adam Corrolla is a WashingtonPost/NYT/JonStewart hippie.

    There is no way that Don Draper isn’t an alpha. He even approaches being a super alpha. Maybe he is one by a reasonable definition.

    That’s not to say that the script doesn’t have proto feminist elements in it, or that he isn’t likely to be made to take a huge fall. So far though it’s making his relationship with his wife Betty much less remote and more realistic this season than the second one, especially.

    MadMen is a much more sympathetic and nuanced view of post WWII, pre mid sixties cultural revolutions America than anything else that’s been on American screens large or small in a long time. Yeah it has it’s feminist sensibilities and the sense but compare it to other things.

    Like


  112. doug, is jewish cultural prostelytization that different than christian religious?

    its my contention that jews in europe were culturally exhausted by the time marx came around and jumped at a chance to convert FROM judaism to a universalist religion that for the first time WASN’T christianity or islam–wasn’t conquerors or oppressors but one they could get in on from the ground floor. some of this exhaustion was also fueled by the failure of the failed sabbatai tzvi messiahood and the hysteria it caused, which aroused passions that were probably never fully put to bed.

    so, in europe they converted to one of the 2 new ideologies, communism or zionism (the jews ‘national socialism’)

    compare this to the rest of europe at the time and you will see this mirrors the fascism/communism fight rending countries all over–it is NOT unique.

    the jews that came here after the war brought their politics with them. the US had a very different alien politics and history and the jews never grokked it–they simply brought every piece of Beyond The Pale brand baggage from their history in poland and russia with them.

    like all communists/leftists/christians, they had a universal truth to bring to the masses and they went ahead full bore

    my REAL question is–why…WHY did the WASPS in the US step down without a fight?

    Like


  113. “Why do Jewish families so often fall into this pattern, or something close to it, no matter how successful the man is in his work?”

    I’m not completely sure, but my theory is that it’s an artifact of centuries of demasculation of the Euro-Jewish male via various discriminatory measures, persecution, etc. Simply put, a great majority of them have had no choice but to eat shit, and their wives knew it.

    Like


  114. Isn’t it “tenets” not “tenants”? Just asking.

    Just so. The conflation of these two words is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. You read/hear it a lot when people are quoting Lebowski (“Say what you want about the tenants(!!) of National Socialism dude, at least it’s an ethos”, as if someone lives in National Socialism.)

    My advice if you’re not sure: don’t use the word tenet. Use “principle” instead.

    Like


  115. I am not surprised, but I am disappointed. I still think that it doesn’t have to be all men, but a large percentage of men to accept reality to cause widespread change.

    Like


  116. Nice point-by-point there Obsidian.

    Like


  117. dana–

    its my contention that jews in europe were culturally exhausted by the time marx came around and jumped at a chance to convert FROM judaism to a universalist religion that for the first time WASN’T christianity or islam–wasn’t conquerors or oppressors but one they could get in on from the ground floor. some of this exhaustion was also fueled by the failure of the failed sabbatai tzvi messiahood and the hysteria it caused, which aroused passions that were probably never fully put to bed.

    so, in europe they converted to one of the 2 new ideologies, communism or zionism (the jews ‘national socialism’)

    That’s exactly what I’ve thought for at least two decades now. With the exception of the “sabbatai tzvi messiahood” which I either never heard of or didn’t take very seriously, and considering zionism to be “the jew’s national socialism”, which I’ve also never really thought of that way.

    my REAL question is–why…WHY did the WASPS in the US step down without a fight?

    That’s a good question requiring a long answer. It took a fair while. It mostly wasn’t perceived as a fight. Jewish leftists did a very good job of hiding the extent of their Marxism at least in media presentation. That was all threatening to blow up during the McCarthy hearings which is why that’s ever since be regarded so histerically by the Jewish lead American left. The NYTimes was a very good moderate left salesman.

    As well though both Britain and American, Anglosphere society in general thought of itself as shining good guys because of and after WWII, and wanted to be thought of that way around the world. Jewish leftists who were shy of being doctrinaire Marxists at least of the old school (the cultural Marxist Frankfort School that was behind the new left, culturally Marixist feminism and then Political Correctness as a mainstream set of unbreachable taboos, was very much hidden as being any kind of connected or concerted movement for a long time, but was rather sold as leftism short of communism).

    Jews in the fifties and early sixties did a rather brilliant job of both praising this performance and ideals of Anglosphere culture, but also shaming it for not doing better. E.g. in letting in mass numbers of Jewish refugees instead of only some of the well connected. That ship that sailed across the Atlantic with Jewish refugees that wasn’t allowed to dock in America but instead tried Cuba only to be turned away was a vivid meme for quite awhile.

    But most of all it was discrimination against blacks especially in the Jim Crow south that leftists Jews used with liberal WASP allies to guilt trip whites but especially the northern Wasp elite. Oh and also soft “quotas” limiting Jewish admissions to elite Ivy League and other colleges to way more than their percentage of the population but not as much as many Jews felt on the basis of test scores etc. were due to them. These complaints all did make elite especially academic and other knowledge work liberal WASPs feel guilty, and willing to be lead.

    These were changes that should have in fact been made; it was well time to.

    But it kept ratcheting, and ratcheting, and ratcheting.

    Always educated whites and WASPs especially wanted to appear to be and be open minded, liberal (especially to begin with in the classical sense of that word, meaning again open minded and open to free competition of ideas), and the good guys in the world, in competition with hard line Marxist Leninist communism. How did Jim Crow look in the third world after all, or square with American democratic AngloSphere ideals.

    A lot of this leftist going impulse would have occurred even without a significant high IQ Ashkenazi Jewish population in the US since the beginning of the 20th century. But it took a much more leftist and (non Jewish) white and especially WASP (the Jew’s main rival in it’s elite northern branch esp.) and white male denigrating and belittling flavor over time than it otherwise would have on American pro capitalist and pro individual (not group) rights and responsibilities America.

    Like


  118. Assanova — that’s a good point, and what are the breakdowns of guys like that (lots of inherited money) vs. risk-avoiding chumps? My guess is that a goodly portion of PUA types come from money, can take risk, vs. AFC being Joe Average who has to slave away in the cubicle. Likely about 8% of men, no more, fit that mold, vs. the other 92%. Given that they pull about 60% of available women, or somewhere within shouting distance, is that sustainable?

    My guess, no. That it pushes (particularly with men “Mancession”-ed down to semi-employment) to Chav style risk taking to compete. Tucker Max can only do his thing if three buddies rolling together don’t glass him and take his target women.

    Doug1 — See my posts on Mad Men. It’s written by women, 7 out of 9 writers, led by feminist writer Marti Noxon. It’s a woman’s fantasy of an Alpha Man, not a man’s idea. If “Band of Brothers” Maj. Dick Winters was the male Alpha, Mad Men’s Don Draper is the female fantasy of one. Only a clueless woman would find war “adventure.”

    Dana — Jews other than guys like Louis B. Mayer and Siegel and Schuster (Superman) had no real impact on American cultural life — it was the spoiled children of a decadent WASP elite like Ayers and Dohrn who launched the 1960’s Cultural Revolution designed to maximize sexual freedom for Alphas and women. Which in turn creates a permanent underclass of men not born to money who have to go Chav to compete with the Tucker Maxes (see above).

    Like


  119. i am thrilled to discover the jews have been absolved of guilt for the 60s. i will stop yelling anti-semitic things at my mom now

    Like


  120. Whiskey–

    Dana — Jews other than guys like Louis B. Mayer and Siegel and Schuster (Superman) had no real impact on American cultural life

    This is one of the most manifestly ridiculous and yes stupid things you’ve ever said. As usual, it’s just made up.

    The new left of the 1960s sprung directly from such Frankfort School (almost or in fact 100% Jewish back in Germany) Institute for Social Research as Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse, author of “Eros and It’s Discontents”. Franz Boaz, founder of American multiculturalism, and mentor to the massively lying Margret Mead, was also affiliated with this school and outlook.

    Ever heard of Abby Hoffman? Or Bob Dylan? The SDS was lead by Jews. A majority of the seminal steering committee of the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley were Jews as were half of its active members. “Free Speech” was just it’s mainstream media appealing name, not its political focus. The same tended to be true on other elite college campuses. Hell during the 50’s and early 60’s and certainly before that, the legal action committee of the NAACP was largely staffed by and actually largely run by Jewish lawyers, though always with black figureheads and participants, such as Thurgood Marshall. Paley who controlled the leadingly liberal CBS including CBS news was Jewish as were a majority or near majority of the producers and writers – everyone off camera. Similar huge disproportion was and is true at the NY Times. Entertainment media, both film and TV has since it’s inception been largely controlled by Jews, and at the very least they were everywhere a critically important and influential block, heavily networking, and easily given to great offensive and to concerted vicious attack if any of their ever increasing taboos, which became political correctness, were crossed in any unacceptable way.

    Like


  121. on September 1, 2009 at 6:10 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Dana:

    Some of early Christianity’s luminaries pretty much carried out their given mission in the face of certain death, Paul and Peter perhaps most famously. They knew the risks, they’d been essentially assured of death and yet they carried on. And oh, by the way, might have helped with the collapse of the Roman Empire, depending upon who you ask. The kind of men who could pull these tasks off don’t count as women or slaves.

    While relatively modern Christianity as a whole certainly has some serious problems, I wouldn’t exactly write off the whole two thousand year endeavor as being for women and slaves.

    Like


  122. Whiskey is a fucking Jew dissimulator who’s mission in life is apparently to troll comment threads around the Steveosphere/HBD/Game blogs and propagate the meme that Jews have nothing to do with anything, ever, directly contradicting all common sense and all the evidence in the world, evidence not simply from fringe extremists but from Jews like the historian Yuri Slezkine whose highly acclaimed work “The Jewish Century” argues that Jews have increasingly influenced the course and nature of Western societies over the course of the 20 century and now.

    Like


  123. for the one, true Jewniverse
    there is but fear
    of a Jew
    planet

    shalom aiiight

    Like


  124. Hey Roissy:

    You may not always get lots of love, but you do get RESPECT. I quote:”

    Roissy and his ilk deserve to be studied in the same way that we study the Nazi generals, we want to know how they achieved their results even though we repudiate their aims.

    There are lots of guys out there who just want to settle down with a mate but have no idea on how to do it. Feminist advice has been proved useless. If Roissy can give the clueless some guidance in their endevours, then good luck to him. ”

    http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2008/05/wrong-stuff.html

    Yes, the Nazi’s may have lost WW2, but it’s pretty widely accepted they’d have had a better chance to win if one of the Generals and not Hitler was in charge. And yes, they may have been evil (though not ALL were: Rommel, for instance) but they were also deadly competent. Like your game. Bravo.

    Like


  125. I avoid the Jew/antiJew spats, but if fighting antisemitism is Whiskey’s quest, he’s counterproductive. Big Time. Antisemites aren’t idiots and seeing Whiskey pop up peekaboo-like and deny-deny-deny just pisses them off. Like everyone else on planet earth, antisemites are normal people, and normal people get pissed off when they feel they are being lied to.

    Especially if it’s anything like Whiskey’s latest whopper that Jews had nothing to do with America’s 1960s left wing revolution.

    Whether that’s her intent or not, “antisemitic” Dana does a million times more to make people like Jews. She admits to her people’s past wrongdoing, and convincingly rejects it.

    Like


  126. In contrast, I’d kill for some secular Jews to come and fix up Haiti…

    Like


  127. Whiskey,
    I gotta agree w/Doug1 here, you’re not making any sense. Tucker Max and some other PUAs may have been born w/silver spoons in their mouths but Mystery was still living at home w/mom in Canada. Yet Mystery took all kinds of risks in coming up w/his system.

    Just a thought.

    O

    Like


  128. If the current exposure, commercialization and dissolution of the techniques of “Game’s” effectiveness in the market is to act as an Evolutionary Bottleneck, I suspect that ‘Self-Actualization Game’ [Inner Game] will adapt exponentially better than the ‘Gimmick-Game’ popularized by Mystery’s prodigies.

    Like


  129. Of course Ashkenazi Jews have had something to do with nearly every major political/philosophical movement for over a century, from Marxism through anarchocapitalism to Singularitarianism.

    I mean, duh, it’s the nature of the IQ Bell Curve.

    We broke it, will fix it — Jew guilt is always strong.

    Like


  130. Dana

    fatalism and luck are the ultimate loser mentalities. the thing losers hate about game is the same thing they hate about capitalism–the notion that you can take the bull by the horns and DIRECT the course of your life and succeed rather than going with the flow or inheriting some advantage

    It’s also a very female mentality – synonymous with the Cinderella complex. Wait around and you will eventually be rescued.

    Not by the the blacksmiths son, but by a prince, no less. And aren’t you special.

    Like


  131. PA — who the heck was leading the 1960’s Counter Culture? Hint: the Weather Underground was not exactly Jewish. A bunch of privileged WASP heirs. And yes Anti-Semites are idiots. Jews are generally smart, but Smart != powerful. Usually the reverse, in fact.

    [editor: whiskey, come on. to take one 60s revolution as an example, nearly the entire feminist movement was concocted and administered by bulldyke jewish women. the civil rights movement was heavily jewish. just look at ideological and party identification and you’ll see few groups are as leftist as jews. which brings me to ask, why are you so reflexively apologetic for american jews? it’s not like noticing the political leanings of jews and jewish complicity in left wing movements is equivalent to being anti-semitic, for by using that logic one could say that noticing germans are punctual is the height of anti-teutonism.]

    Doug1 — History did not begin in 1962. Mary Wollstonecroft was promulgating Free Love, in the 1780s, and the Oneida Community putting it into widespread practice in the 1840’s. The 1960’s owed far more to native Transcendentalism, Romanticism, Thoreau and Whitman as to the fricking Frankfurt school which no one heard of or read. Hell most of the 1960’s was CHRISTIAN in origin — William Fricking BLAKE was calling marriage a prison in the early 1800’s.

    Like


  132. The Puritans who first settled North America were the opposite of laid back and mellow. They had taken a side on a number of life and death matters and they were bursting to show they cared more about honor than death. And the cultural meme they spooged into the American bloodstream has had a very long persistence.
    Indeed, the hard core Puritan meme has survived pretty well in many places. And since the Puritans more or less identified themselves in their minds with the Jewish experience (The elect going into the howling wilderness to occupy the Promised Land and righteously smite all who would get in the way, etc.)
    Anyway, anybody raised in a Puritan mindset would be prepped to admire the eager and fanatical pursuers of even a stupid ideology (like Marxism) because doing so is the precise opposite of being lazy which is the one true original and unforgivable sin in that commune..
    In other words, to the primeval American soul, going crazy with a wrong idea is no bother if the same people by and bye also worked hard to counteract the damage done. Hello Milton Freidman & the decisively important Chicago School.
    Yeah, a lot of bolshies were kosher but so were a lot of the guys bearing sharp knives who eviserated Marx in the 80 & 90s.
    To the Primeval American Puritan Mind – it all just means that that sort of people belong here.

    Like


  133. “We broke it, will fix it — Jew guilt is always strong.”

    Yeah, right, of course.

    All those previous cultures, civilizations, nations in the past that hosted you parasitic Jews apparently couldn’t wait long enough for you guys to “fix it” and decayed and died off. Undoubtedly this is what we’re going through today in the West.

    Also your sentence is misleading because it implies that “Jew guilt” is the same thing as white guilt, and this is flat out false. Jew guilt is the nagging sense that you aren’t ethnocentric enough. White guilt is the exact opposite, it’s the white person’s disobligation toward one’s community, with its sins and crimes, and the obligation to boost other communities’ interests and needs at the white community’s expense.

    Like


  134. on September 2, 2009 at 5:55 am msexceptiontotherule

    It’s official….I’m making mangina one of my frequently uttered exclamation words. And it’s got so many possible situations I can already see myself using it during!

    Co-worker who always has an excuse to be gone and a goddamn one month of higher seniority:”I have to go to a meeting with so-and-so out of the office so I’ll be gone for the rest of the day…yeah, I know that it’s only 10am, but if I don’t get everything that needs to be signed off taken care of, all of the work you’ll be here doing until 9pm tonight will have been a waste of time. Oh, and can you tell mr. x (boss in charge) that I’m out for part of the day but you don’t know when I’m supposed to be back, then call to let me know what time you talked to him so I can call and leave him a message about the rest of the day?”

    Me: “You fucking mangina. I’ll tell you what, why don’t you leave, and I’ll just leave you in the dark about what’s going on here all day while I kick ass and take names to get shit done so that everyone working on this ‘project’ will be receiving a positive review – except your dumb ass who’s never here.”

    Like


  135. on September 2, 2009 at 6:00 am gunslingergregi

    Game will never reach saturation point because woman love to fuck and to make “love”

    Like


  136. “Look, I find frat-dudes as annoying as the next person, but I’ll say this about them: they don’t put chicks on pedestals. (Usually).”

    I’ve never understood the annoyance & stereotypes some in society have with “frat boys” or the portrayal of “frats in the media”. Yes there are fucktards in frats, but there are fucktards not in frats. I would say that there are often less fucktards in frats than outside of them. Not being in one, you are outside of the little clique so outsiders can find it annoying and a bit mysterious.

    Yes, I was not only was in a frat, but I was a president of a frat and also had a time where I was in charge of hazing pledges. I have dealt extensively with drinking, legal issues, drugs, real estate, mental health issues, fights, social issues, sex issues, etc.. in my frat. In fact, 2 lucrative businesses that have made the world better have sprung out of the relationships that formed when I was there and no doubt continue to form.

    Hazing and recruiting? Some of this is over the top but you need something over the top to foster social cohesion. It’s gotta be fun. I reconstructed the recruiting and hazing rituals to do a better job at maintaining social cohesion and teaching young men not to be pussies in life and around women. My frat was unique in that it actively sought out shy foreign students in recruiting because it has a strong professional constitution. Our hazing rituals required both staged and mock interactions in picking up chicks as well as staged and mock pranks that combat pussiness.

    Frats are a merely social institution in college that exists in perpetuity that has formalized social events, living arrangements, etc… It costs some money to join a frat but it also has less expensive living arrangements and social activities. You will spend less time and money in bars, finding parking, dealing with deadbeat roomates in a frat.

    Drinking? Yes… but we’re talking about social people in _college_ for christ’s sake. There’s drinking inside and outside of frats.
    Snobbish? Yes…. but we’re talking about living in close quarters with a couple dozen other guys…there are some people who are in broader society that you don’t want to _live_ with. Some people are annoying, dangerous, lazy freeloaders, etc… and not fun to be around 24/7.

    In frat: series of parties both formally planned. and spontaneous …
    Not in frat: occasional house party -if but it’s often either boring, or dangerous. street gangs/charlie manson can walk in (cops arrive…often with good reason). Your Tv gets smashed and your couch gets puked on.

    In frat: on your home turf…where you know 30% of the people and 70% are new.
    Not in frat: go to bars more. Don’t know many people there.

    In frat: Themed parties with activities that force women to both drink and interact with men in fun, flirty ways.
    Not in frat: “umm…. Nice shoes…. you know… can i buy you a drink…..how about the weather… um…. what’s your major? …wanna fuck?”

    In frat: Charlie Mansons, etc… screened out
    Not in frat: Roomate drops out of college mid semester. Put ad in paper. New roomate is freeloader druggie schizo who jacks off on couch.

    Like


  137. since the thread is open for anti-semites I, who can never resist a race thread, won´t miss the opportunity

    for me there is no other cognitive dissonance on Earth as that between Jews in Israel and tthe Diaspora. Jews in Israel are beautiful, probably among the most beautiful peoples on Earth, conservatism is strong, the military and the Police are highly valued, crime is severely tackled, they bomb the barbarians, and so on

    Jews on the diaspora are ugly. Nazi draws are absolutely correct in picturing Jewish ugliness, specially female ugliness, the one which matters the most. The diaspora is the life and blood of radical leftism. They are destroying the west from within

    SO thereis gig´s grand bargain with the chosen people. All Jews leave EUrope and the Americas. Period. For that, the West will allow Israel to keep her borders with the beautiful Arabs (lebanon and Syria, i.e. Israel keeps Golan and SOuthern Lebanon) adn will be allowed to move their borders with the ugly ARabs (Egypt, Jordan, Palestine and Saudi Arabia) as they wish. Israel can annex Sinai, dirve the palis out Gaza and West BAnk, can Annex the whole of Jordan. The arabs can go to the Gulf, Iraq, NOrth Africa, whatever.

    And Nato will bomb Iran into the stone age. That´s it.

    Like


  138. And yes Anti-Semites are idiots

    it is like saying taht all blacks are idiots.

    There is a bell curve for anti-semites also, duh!!!

    Like


  139. gig,

    i know one thing–when my family was still in poland roughly 1/2 were communists and 1/2 were zionists, this was a very common thing back then. the zionists who went to israel BEFORE ww2 were likely of very different stock than the jews who faced the choice to emigrate AFTER the holocaust. even THEN there was something intrinsicv that made them choose israel or america. israel was still founding and hardscrabble at the time. id venture to say the now israeli branch of my family generated more attractive children on the whole

    thursday–my paternal grandmother was a progressive social worker in new york in the 30-40s, my mom was a civil rights activist who had occasional to work with stokely carmichael. if you aren’t jewish you have no understanding of how deeply rooted leftism is in the east coast jewish immigrant community. what about the little red schoolhouse? did you read david horowitz’s bio? jews are very very proud of their history of communist agitation, they write paeans to it–are they lying?

    the only thing i can imagine you might be trying to say, and knowing jewish cultural narcissism it MAY be true, is that all of the major revolutionary aspects of the mid 20th century were in fact due to WASPs and that jews were having their little leftism festival parallel to them and BELIEVE they were more seminal than they really were and anti semites, in their conspiratorial obsession listen to jews brag about their own importance and believe them?

    Like


  140. Specifically, it’s “m e g a” alone, so using a zero for “o” won’t help.

    Like


  141. “White guilt is the exact opposite, it’s the white person’s disobligation toward one’s community, with its sins and crimes, and the obligation to boost other communities’ interests and needs at the white community’s expense.”

    There’s a sufficient number of Jews that are not leftists. Some of them (Mark Levin, e.g.) are even driving the culture in the opposite direction. Your statement is that of a typical anti-semite — ignore whatever facts don’t suit the narrative.

    “All those previous cultures, civilizations, nations in the past that hosted you parasitic Jews apparently couldn’t wait long enough for you guys to “fix it” and decayed and died off.”

    Yeah, that’s the narrative and you’re sticking to it. My experience has been slightly different. What about those cultures who have expelled the Jews? How are they doing these days? I’ll take the former Soviet Union as an example, since I’m best qualified to speak about it. Unless you’re willing to posit that Jews turned Russians into a bunch of self-destructive alcoholics, it’s hardly convincing that we weren’t “holding it together.”

    You may be obsessed with Jews in the cultural vanguard — perhaps even justifiably. But for each one of those dreaded elites hundreds of thousands of professional Jews – doctors, engineers, etc. were literally holding the country together, while being shit on every step of the way. And now they are out and you can see how Russia is doing.

    “SO there is gig´s grand bargain with the chosen people. All Jews leave EUrope and the Americas.”

    That’s a generous offer, gig, but I’m not sure other anti-semites (oops, I meant “anti-Zionists”) would be as accomodating.

    Like


  142. i agree with gig that what has become ludicrous in the extreme about jews is their continued attempts to mold the countries they Diaspore in into more jew-friendly countries in the face of the existence of israel. there used to be no place to go, now there is–don’t like your host country? don’t let the border hit you on the ass on the way out.

    Like


  143. on September 2, 2009 at 10:17 am mandy been here a while

    JB

    I take you are not familiar with the Holodomor.

    There is a very good reason most Westerners are not familiar with the slaughter of the 10million Ukrainians in the 1930’s. Sometimes what comes around goes around.

    The perpetrators keep it under tight wraps in the movies, media, schools etc…

    Like


  144. uh, my post was to whiskey–not thursday, ma faute

    Like


  145. whiskey! You’ve read A Vindication of the Rights of Women!?!
    Wow, I thought that book only came up in feminist history, women’s studies, and regency romance novels. Again my ignorance is revealed to me.

    Like


  146. loves me some herb crushed:

    *all attempts to mimic Firepower are owned and operated by moi

    you’re new and tender here,
    but it’s just matter of time
    before I slip you
    my tube steak

    Like


  147. “There’s a sufficient number of Jews that are not leftists. Some of them (Mark Levin, e.g.) are even driving the culture in the opposite direction. Your statement is that of a typical anti-semite — ignore whatever facts don’t suit the narrative.”

    I never said that there are no Jews that are not leftists. They are out there, though for the most part they are, like Mark Levin, neocon types, or otherwise libertarian types.

    “Yeah, that’s the narrative and you’re sticking to it. My experience has been slightly different. What about those cultures who have expelled the Jews? How are they doing these days? I’ll take the former Soviet Union as an example, since I’m best qualified to speak about it. Unless you’re willing to posit that Jews turned Russians into a bunch of self-destructive alcoholics, it’s hardly convincing that we weren’t “holding it together.””

    It was Communism and the Soviet state that did so much damage to Russia and turned Russians into the nihilistic, suicidal, and depressive alcoholics they are today. The Jews by and large were enthusiastic supporters of the Bolsheviks and indeed made up much of its leadership, and the leadership of the Soviet Union early on. They were driven by fanatical commitment to ideology along with the hunger for worldly success and power that would await them following the establishment of the Soviet state which would remove legal barriers against Jews. They were also driven by the thirst for vengeance against the imperial regime and ethnic Russians. The Jews also basically ran the secret police and the gulags. The heavy Jewish involvement in the Russian Revolution and the Soviet regime goes unnoticed and ignored – for obvious reasons. The general perception that’s presented in the media is that Soviet Russia was very anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union in any official capacity was a phenomenon that appeared late in the history of the USSR.

    Don’t take my word for this though – read Jewish historian Yuri Slezkine. His excellent work “The Jewish Century” gives a very good account of the heavy Jewish involvement in the Russian Revolution and the Soviet regime, along with much more. If you don’t have time to read the book, here is an interview with Yuri Slezkine that summarizes the basic theses of the book.

    “But for each one of those dreaded elites hundreds of thousands of professional Jews – doctors, engineers, etc. were literally holding the country together, while being shit on every step of the way. And now they are out and you can see how Russia is doing.”

    This is standard Jew boilerplate – the idea that Jews are necessary because they’re so much more intelligent, skilled, etc. than the idiot gentile goyishe kops. It’s insulting, and it’s basically Jew chauvinism. The bottom line is, unless you’re talking about extremely backward societies in Africa or something, this is completely untrue. Advanced East Asian nations get along fine without a single Jew in their midst, many European nations do well with little to no Jews. And the US was arguably at its finest and healthiest when Jews weren’t a part of the leadership class nor a significant part of the professional, skilled class. Contrast this to today where the elite class is heavily Jewish and Jew influenced.

    ““SO there is gig´s grand bargain with the chosen people. All Jews leave EUrope and the Americas.”
    That’s a generous offer, gig, but I’m not sure other anti-semites (oops, I meant “anti-Zionists”) would be as accomodating.”

    This would be a perfectly satisfying arrangement. But I’m not stupid. This will never happen. Achieving the much more modest goal of having Americans and others become more knowledgeable about these things would be fine.

    Like


  148. oops, I meant “anti-Zionists”

    the word is “anti-semites”

    when my family was still in poland roughly 1/2 were communists

    I am shocked, shocked, that there may be some rational basis for Polish anti-semitism.

    id venture to say the now israeli branch of my family generated more attractive children on the whole

    Leftism, and specially radical leftism, turns the people ugly. It is a poison for body and soul.

    Like


  149. I posted the comment above

    Like


  150. […] Lake Poets hated Byron’s guts is the same reason why losers hate on guys with game (hat tip: Roissy): his existence was a refutation of everything about women that they held dear. To see this, […]

    Like


  151. on September 13, 2009 at 4:15 pm I have a Big Penis

    With names like Manspear, Chad69, and Assanova you are all truly the cultural elite. This kid should have never called you guys out…his ass is going to be pummeled…literally.

    Like