A Test Of Your Game: The Judging

Here is how I responded (or would respond) to the game challenges I posed in Tuesday’s post.

Part A

“You’re ten minutes late.”

“I don’t *feel* tardy.”

She doesn’t laugh. “Are you always late for dates?”

You pause. She’s reacting to your lack of punctuality worse than most women.

What do you do?

I stared at her for an uncomfortable two seconds, mentally wrote her off as a date-worthy prospect, and said “The problem is that you came right on time. No DC girl does that.” This reply seemed to mollify the bitch in her. Thinking back, the emphasis I gave to the words *RIGHT ON TIME* implied that she was more invested in the date than I was. I believe this caused a subtle shift in power to my benefit.

Best reader answers

el chief and his classic Asshole game (although I’d just use his second line):

Look around like Stevie Wonder, and say in a German accent: “Mother is that you? I’m sorry mother. I von’t be bad again.” Then laugh. Then order a beer.

If she presses say “Gimme a fuckin break. I thought you said you were fun and easygoing?”

Another version of Asshole game is One Word Game. One commenter suggested answering her pointed question like this: “Maybe.” Short, sweet, leaves ’em wanting more of your dominance.

I think One Word Game will be the next big thing in pickup science. It is my contribution to expanding the oeuvre. Look at the pros and cons. Pros: It’s mysterious, requires little memorization, saves you from paralysis by analysis, doesn’t smack of try-hard, gets you into her head, and captures the essence of ambiguity that so tempts the typical woman to fantasize scenarios involving your penis in her vagina. Cons: Can be misconstrued.

roosh’s genuine but uncompromising Superior Man game:

“If you’re in a bad mood we can reschedule the date no problem.” Definitely no smirk or smiles. Laser eye contact. If she leaves then you just saved yourself a couple hours of hell.

Brad demonstrates the power of Turn-The-Tables game:

I smile, stare at her right in the eye, HOLD… HOLD… and then say: “You missed me that much, huh? Well, I guess I can understand that..”

Firepower drops funnyman game:

“chill, baby – I’m only late when I’m pulling babies from burning buildings…and, maybe for girls I like.”

I’d dispense with the second half of his response. Similarly, I think a funny answer that could work would be: “Yeah, it was a rush for me to get here, but I had to take my sick mother to the doctor and feed orphaned babies, and I figured you’d be understanding about that. Like, WOW, I’d hate to meet a girl who was against sick mothers and orphaned babies!”

Fenton offered an example of witty game that works (i.e. note the succinctness):

“Well, you’ve been waiting four days, what’s ten more minutes?”

Most of the rest of you gave answers that were too nasty, too defensive, or too clever by half. Your goal isn’t to piss the girl off, nor is it to impress her with your Shakespearean wit. She isn’t worth your effort, yet, right?

To the commenter who wrote that the best reply is the Cary Grant “Big Face” push followed by draining her drink while signaling the waitress to come over for another order, I commend you sir. If anything will set America back on the path of world-bestriding hyperpuissance, it will be the big face.

Cuntrag, as usual, gave the opposite answer of what you should do.

Part B

Your date mentions she reads local DC blogs and likes most of them, and you wonder about bringing up your fandom […]

There is only one acceptable response to this situation. You steal my ideas to use as conversational fodder without mentioning you read me. I am such a fucking humanitarian.

Part C

Same as above, except this time, before you have decided whether to announce your everlasting platonic love, your date mentions she has read and hates him. […]

Your response should be the same as Part B. Don’t reveal you’re a reader, then change the subject. What are you, my eunuch servant who screens concubines for me? If she hates me, she’s masturbating to thoughts of me at night. Why boost my status even higher?

There is a catch in this particular situation. You have the option to play beta white knight to the hilt (see: Keith, Cliff Arroyo, DA, Jessica Valenti’s husband, any random urban liberal SWPL off the street) and say you have read as well and TOTALLY agree with her that he is a foul, bitter misogynist who probably doesn’t get laid and his ideas are all wrong, 1950s Ozzie and Harriet throwback shit and he uses women like a sperm receptacle. Then tell her how you feel privileged to have almost been aborted by your mother, and the biggest injustice in the world is that gay marriage isn’t yet accepted by Afghan goat herders. After you have massaged her ego, you slyly wonder aloud if maybe he is right about this or that subject and suddenly you are having a rollicking conversation with her and your hand is resting too high up her thigh.

I should bottle this magic.

Part D

You are me. You are on the date with the girl from the above story and have been talking with her about the book you are writing. She is intrigued. A little later in the date, she mentions she reads a lot of local blogs. She says there are some she reads that she really hates. You nod again. Then she asks you if you write a blog.

What do you say?

I lied.

She also mentions she ran a triathlon the day before.

Now what do you do?

Go big or go home. Same night lay or number deletion. Chicks who participate in triathlons are almost universally unfeminine. And by unfeminine, I don’t mean her looks, I mean her attitude. These kinds of women are at war with their femininity. It is the essence of yang polarity to take up personal challenges and compete against the limits of one’s endurance and pain threshold. This is what men do. When women do it, it’s unnatural, a big middle finger to the sex she was born as. While women like this can fuck like champs, they will invariably fall short in the areas that matter to men for long term relationships — generosity, nurturance, compassion, submissiveness, alluring coyness, and proper female deference.

I asked her if she was a tomboy growing up, then I ran the digit ratio routine on her. She had a masculine ratio. I told her that meant she was “ambitious”, which is a nice way to tidy up the word “bitch”. I am now going to craft an Andrew Sullivan-like neologism: Ambitchious!

Where’s my Atlantic Monthly paycheck?





Comments


  1. “If anything will set America back on the path of world-bestriding hyperpuissance, it will be the big face.”

    lmfao -definitely worth repeating .

    inculcation is the new black

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  2. “Chicks who participate in triathlons are almost universally unfeminine. And by unfeminine, I don’t mean her looks, I mean her attitude. These kinds of women are at war with their femininity. It is the essence of yang polarity to take up personal challenges and compete against the limits of one’s endurance and pain threshold. This is what men do. When women do it, it’s unnatural, a big middle finger to the sex she was born as.”

    Dude, you have got to expand your horizons beyond D.C., where the only competitive sport is binge drinking. Spend a weekend or two hitting on girls in Boulder or Austin or Kauai or somewhere where people actually go outside every now and then and then let me know if you still feel this way.

    What I’ve noticed is that the way women participate in challenging races is different from the way men do. I have male friends who say they wouldn’t even show up for a race if they weren’t competitive, whereas when I’ve done the Danskin Triathalon, it’s a non-stop gush of “you go, girl” female empowerment and rah-rah bonding. Now, the Danskin is outside the norm, but even in other races, women are much less go-for-the-throat competitive then the men are.

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  3. on June 25, 2009 at 10:30 am Gunslingergregi

    “”””””Astra,
    less go-for-the-throat competitive then the men are.””””””””””””””””

    Maybe in sports but have you seen them compete for a man.

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  4. on June 25, 2009 at 10:47 am TurkishThought

    @Roissy – Andrew Sullivan-like neologism: Ambitchious!

    I have added this word to my vocabulary and can’t wait to use it at my friend’s Poker game this weekend.

    @Astra – You have missed the point totally. Take your lame cognitive and associative skills to the nearest Womyn Studies program. They will appreciate this clap trap that spews from your mouth.

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  5. “The problem is that you came right on time. No DC girl does that.”

    The reframe. Hat’s off to you, sir. She comes at you like a mother training a child, you flip it back on her.

    Works for me.

    Eric

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  6. on June 25, 2009 at 10:54 am FormerlyOmegaBeta

    I’m impressed that you agreed with my answer on a couple of points. Dangerous territory there, thinking like a lesser Beta, Roissy!

    Although I liked the “Maybe.” answer, I never said what I would have actually done in that situation, which would have been to freeze, flush with shame, and then say “Sorry.”.

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  7. I think that if anything will set America back on the path to world-bestriding hyperpuissance, it will be the ‘angry pirate’. Look it up.

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  8. I still think that if she knows about the site, it’s a missed opportunity not to find out what she thinks about it and the themes discussed here. It’s a perfect way to gauge LTR-worthiness. That’s a little different than the B answer above in that the blog is a natural way to pivot into the material – especially if she brings it up.

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  9. Another clinic. Thanks for the free lessons…never apologize, always redirect. Must cast aside stupid desire to ingratiate. Roosh though, did have an even awesomer line though, demonstrating a great take or leave it, I don’t need to be here attitude. right?

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  10. Eric Disco

    “The problem is that you came right on time. No DC girl does that.”

    The reframe. Hat’s off to you, sir. She comes at you like a mother training a child, you flip it back on her.

    Works for me.

    I’ll divulge a secret.

    From my experience, constant reframes can spur constant shittests; a power-struggle cycle develops. You may win a reframe, but women are secretive, sulking and vindictive creatures who will strike back at you when at your weakest. They have built-in, high-end wimp radar and will key in on weakness like vultures – even when you’re having the simple, rare weak moment, as every human being does.

    Humor defuses issues. Mean humor tells a bitch to stfu. It’s the growl of the lion or the rattle of the viper. You can
    say the meanest things possibly imaginable and – not only get away with it, but – get fucked by a rabid she-slut later.

    Now, humor works for me because I’m sharp-witted, hard, good-lookin’ and intelligent beyond all but 2.8% of the population. If you have it, you know it: use it. If not, think of it as a loaded gun and you’ve only heard guns fired on TV.

    Plus, you can’t punch a bitch out in public.

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  11. Pupu considers Danskin Triathlon a nice challenge to aspire to but Ironkids something she could settle for. This summer, Pupu has been training herself for the Ironkids-Senior race, which is 200m swim, 10km bike, and 2km run.

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  12. “@Astra – You have missed the point totally. Take your lame cognitive and associative skills to the nearest Womyn Studies program. They will appreciate this clap trap that spews from your mouth.”

    Nah, I didn’t miss the point, I was ignoring it. Roissy is very smart and understands the difference between his generalizations and how real women behave (in some aspects true to type, in some parts out of the norm). His readers, not so much. I just think Roissy has enough of value to say that he ought to expand beyond his current shtick, which he has mined pretty thoroughly and is beginning to limit him.

    “Maybe in sports but have you seen them compete for a man.”

    Indeed. I wasn’t trying to say that women are all collaborative and helpful with each other all the time (hah!), just that when they do compete in athletic contests, they don’t always do it in the way men do.

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  13. “It is the essence of yang polarity to take up personal challenges and compete against the limits of one’s endurance and pain threshold.”

    Roissy, can you please expand on this? I always thought that setting and meeting personal challenges was an admirable human trait, not necessarily an exclusively masculine one.

    Also, when you first meet and go out with a woman, how do you screen for whether a woman is generous, nurturing, and compassionate?

    (For reference, I am neither a triathlete nor a particularly compassionate gal, but am genuinely curious in responses to these two questions.)

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  14. just wondering to myself: if I’m so ambitchtious, why do I waste my time reading this blog?

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  15. @anony – to get in touch with your inner submissive feminine side…?

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  16. I’d like to hear ideas on how to screen for nuturing, compassionate women as well. Any input appreciated.

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  17. Ah! Well, that explains it then. None of the Women I’ve ever dated ran a triatholon.

    I feel for my White Brothers. Y’all really up against it w/the females.

    O

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  18. Pupu has been training herself for the Ironkids-Senior race

    Ironkidssenior race???

    we should stop using this social construct that is gender in sports. the division by gender is rooted in thousands of years of phallocracy is keeping sexism alive. Also, by allowing comparison of “male” versus “female” it gives room for bigots to talk about the superiority of patriarchy,

    the gig criteria for sports would be the digit ratio. people with higher digit ratios would compete as “digitally enhanced” and people with lower digit ratios would compete as “anular-enhanced”

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  19. [blockquote]
    Obsidian
    “I feel for my White Brothers. Y’all really up against it w/the females. ”
    [/blockquote]

    Indeed, it seems like being well off and a non-minority is becoming a negative attribute. In most modern movies the antagonist is usually a well off white guy whose uses his fathers connections to move ahead in the world. Usually the girls in these films end up with another (less well off) guy.

    Personally I am about to experience what its like to be (something like) that guy as I have just moved from a shabby pad in south Brooklyn to a ritzy town in Manhattan. Its time to pump up the primal game and practice saying “music is the answer to the soul” in a slacker voice.

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  20. since beauty attracts men, and game attracts women, a blog about game is, for women, analogous to a blog about pornography for men

    so anony, you keep coming because it excites you

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  21. One thing I will say about the kind of girl who does triathlons: at least she’s probably not fat. In this day and age, finding a girl who isn’t fat is hard enough, let alone finding one who is neither fat nor masculine.

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  22. Wait, so how do digit ratios work?

    Doesn’t everyone have a noticeably longer second finger than ring finger?

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  23. Gig,

    Ironkids-junior (age 7-10): 100m swim+5km bike+1km run
    Ironkids-senior (age 11-14): 200m swim+10km bike+2km run

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  24. I’m from Vancouver and pretty much every woman here is a triathlete or marathoner. This is also a difficult pickup town.

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  25. So Pupu is a tween girl? That would explain the baby-talk language…but it also means that Pupu should really not be reading this site.

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  26. Firepower

    “Humor defuses issues. Mean humor tells a bitch to stfu. It’s the growl of the lion or the rattle of the viper.”

    Humor is really powerful. It is one of the best things to use in most situations.

    However, in this situation, it looks like she wasn’t going for it. She didn’t laugh at his previous banter. He could keep pushing it, but that would probably annoy her more.

    And you are right that constantly reframing will fuck things up.

    Humor is powerful, but I don’t think banter works too well for shit tests such as this.

    The best best solution to shit tests–and I’ve tested so many ways–is to ignore it and change the topic.

    It seems beta but it is actually the most alpha. It is similar to Roissy’s one-word response above.

    You are treating her as if what she is saying does not enter your reality.

    The way you would treat an inappropriate or weird comment in the company of friends.

    “Uh… yeah… so how about those Mets?”

    If a child said this to you, how would you react? You would laugh for a second and then move right along like it meant nothing to you.

    To respond with your own humorous barb shows that what she said was actually worth responding to and may have hurt you in some way.

    Eric

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  27. Mandy – read the links on the finger ratio stuff. I know you’er here to learn, but you have to do some of the work yourself.

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  28. Maurice,

    No, no, no! You are mistaken. Pupu has taken the GMAT awhile ago. The Ironkids is only for training purpose.

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  29. After answering yesterday, my more typical response on item 1 type stuff came to mind – rather than your “I don’t feel tardy” initial reply, I often use a more broad application of the deadpan “Well, … I suppose you’ll just have to discipline me later”.

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  30. now Pupu is trying to impress an authority figure (GMAT instructor). If Pupu is an adult, why does she write like a child, and have a child’s name…?

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  31. @km,

    “Well, … I suppose you’ll just have to discipline me later”?

    now, that’s sexy.

    one day after the tri……..ask her where she’s sore, and offer a massage.

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  32. The people who asked about Roissy’s thoughts on how to screen for compassionate, nurturing, etc girls – I got some tips from the dating attractiveness test for girls he has posted on the homepage, I think there’s a tab up top. I remember stuff like if a girl is the first person to help an injured person showing genuine caring, and if she like cooks for him or makes a painting for him shows nurturing, etc. Also interesting that he thinks a girl being sweet, feminine, caring, etc count for less than 10 percent of her overall value in the market. Also, he’s dropped his ideas from time too, it’d take too much time for me to find and link to them but just scroll through his 1000s of posts for more maybe! And keep reading, which is what I’ve done 😉 by the way, that’s just a starting point because I do hope he shares more on this! Mainly because men and women interpret caring actions differently, I’ve seen too many girls be really into a guy and turn him off along with girls who don’t show enough caring because they’re playing too hard to

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  33. get. Actually this is my biggest problem as a girl – knowing how to balance being a fun challenge which brings out a guys best game yet showing enough caring and loving without turning him off… I guess its all in the timing or something. And also being a caring feminine girl in all aspects of life, not just a trick to manipulate a man

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  34. Couldn’t possibly dare to impress the authority.

    Once the third person is out. It is no longer up to the first person nor the authority to decide what the kid is going to let out.

    Pupu is a girl, so is the first person. That much is sure.

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  35. Now Pupu is making no sense.

    @lsb- maybe being a “lovelysexybeauty” doesn’t hurt either…

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  36. Also, the more I think about some sh-t tests are justified… I used to think none but it seems like if a guy really truly seems to be showing disrespect a girl would be strange to let it go. I don’t think 10 minutes is a big deal but if a guy was late again and again by like 30 minutes with no call, itd be dumb for a girl to not bring it up or just straight up flake on him. I donno tho

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  37. on June 25, 2009 at 2:25 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Laz and Pookie,

    Read through the blog, there are whole sections on determining LTR versus short term. With such nuggets as:

    Strippers and lawyers: Not long term
    School teacher: long term

    If the job is attention whoring or highly competitive than its short term. If the job is nurturing and compassion, long term.

    Number of prior partners:

    Average or below: LTR
    Above average: Short term.

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  38. screening for compassionate girls? Based on this site and personal experience, stay away from:
    hard drinking girls
    girls without boobs
    girls in the PR or lawyer business or generally live in DC
    girls who were into competitive sports instead of girls who danced or were into gymnastics
    girls who routinely go out drinking without money because they intend to get guys to buy them drinks all night
    divorced girls, if they left him
    girls that don’t like or want children (for professional girls, girls that want to wait until they are settled/have degree/successful to have kids)
    girls that hate sara palin (sort of a acid test it seems, uptown DC chicks, SWPL, and other girls to avoid are all pissy when it comes to the GOP’s vice presidential nominee, regardless of political affilitation, albeit that’s redundant for SWPL) (probably because SP is pretty, married, has kids, and goes to church).
    Not exactly warning signs, just indications of one’s tendency.

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  39. @km:

    I looked up the finger-ratio thing. It’s pretty interesting. It’s funny how little something as little and insignificant as finger length can be a dead give-away to something like testosterone in the womb. wow.

    @lovelysexybeauty:

    Wow, someone’s modest.
    ;]

    I honestly think a girl doesn’t have to do that much to attract guys. Seriously. Just dress nice, go to a party, and stand in a corner for five minutes and watch them walk up to you. Of course, you have to be friendly, smile, laugh at their jokes (easy for me because I laugh quite a bit).

    Of course, parties/clubs/bars aren’t the best places to meet people.

    If you like him and he likes you things will work out from there. I think I won my boyfriend over when I baked a loaf of banana nut bread and gave it to him. But if it were any other guy, I probably wouldn’t have done it.

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  40. Good thing Maurice did not grade Pupu’s GMAT.

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  41. Mandy: you have a boyfriend- yet you are a virgin!

    That dude has beta chump written all over him.
    Hahahaha!

    Since you are a virgin- you have very little to add to the discussion of game.
    I don’t know how old you are- but if you are over 21 and are still a virgin- I would venture to say you have some serious issues.
    Aint nothing more natural than having sex- and if you have hang-ups over sex- you have psychological issues- and you aren’t a normal or fully functional human being- at least until you learn to have sex and then to enjoy it.

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  42. @askjoe:

    “probably because SP is pretty, married, has kids, and goes to church”

    Look, I think Sarah Palin would be a cool person. IRL, she’s someone I would be friends with.

    But she couldn’t be a Vice President. She wasn’t remotely qualified. There are many reasons to not like Sarah Palin as a candidate. And on the inside, I doubt she’s any different than Hilary Clinton.

    “girls without boobs”

    Waist to hip ratios are greater indicators of estrogen and femininity than boobs. I know a girl with big boobs that has a body that resembles a man. (wide shoulders that taper down). Then again, they might be fake.

    “girls who were into competitive sports instead of girls who danced or were into gymnastics”

    Have you seen a gymnast’s body? I know gymnastics is typically a girly girl endeavor, but girls that are seriously into it are crazy competitive. A lot of hard-core gymnasts believe that if they get their periods, they aren’t working hard enough. (Apparently the harder they work, the less body fat they have, and the less suitable their body is for having children, so they stop menstruating. wtf.)

    But for dancers, yeah, I can attest to that. I was a dancer up until a few years ago. I did ballet, jazz, dance camp, the whole shebang. Everyone was pretty girly, except a couple of the girls claimed to be lesbians. Weird.

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  43. @GameBK:

    I’m 17. >.>’

    He’s not beta. We’ve only been bf/gf for a little while as it is, and he was out of town for half of it.

    If I have any psychological issues, I’m probably not as remotely messed up as the girls who bounce from guy to guy, sleeping with whomever, then crying about it the next day. wtf is up with that.

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  44. Should 17 year old girls be reading this blog?

    The Attraction forums (a popular pua discussion board) does not let users register unless they are 18 or older.

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  45. El chief…. Vancouver here too. Do you have an email I can reach you at?

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  46. @ Mandy! XD

    “If I have any psychological issues, I’m probably not as remotely messed up as the girls who bounce from guy to guy, sleeping with whomever, then crying about it the next day.”

    True story. Don’t do anything you’re not comfortable with.

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  47. Mandy demonstrates the knee jerk SWPL response of SP’s *experience* by blissfully ignoring the cooked resume of the reader of the teleprompter of the free world. I keep experiencing the same conversation among the SP haters: (1a) apparently, SP ran again TOTUS, (1b) apparently JMac’s experience doesn’t exist or count, (1c) Joe Biden’s intelligence, experience, judgment, tact, and hygiene is at a submoron level, and (2) being a governor is not experience, but having Bill Ayers write your books is experience. But who cares, it’s not the point.

    But Mandy at least is able to say, maybe, sorta, ITRW, SP is an actual human being.

    Your point on gymnasts, some grow up and stop being period-adverse freaks. They even get boobs and body fat, but they stayed flexible. Don’t most who actually compete hit the wall by 18 or so?

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  48. on June 25, 2009 at 2:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””””lovelysexybeauty
    get. Actually this is my biggest problem as a girl – knowing how to balance being a fun challenge which brings out a guys best game yet showing enough caring and loving without turning him off… I guess its all in the timing or something. And also being a caring feminine girl in all aspects of life, not just a trick to manipulate a man””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Yea she is too hot. Freaks me the fuck out.

    Nice to see you post though.

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  49. @Game in BK:

    ….

    If Roissy has a problem with me being here, he can let me know.

    @LilGRL:

    Exactly. When I do decide to start having sex, it’s going to be awesome. I’m not THAT conservative. I’m just not so liberal as to sleep with everyone.

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  50. ditto LILGRL!

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  51. on June 25, 2009 at 3:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    LILGRL are you comfortable with lurker?

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  52. Most times people need to become uncomfortable in order to grow.
    You can’t always remain in a bubble (comfort zone) and live a fulfilling life.

    Stagnation = death.

    BTW: this has nothing to do with having sex for the first time or with Mandy- just life advice in general.

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  53. on June 25, 2009 at 3:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I will go along with that uncomfortable thing. It is what keeps me on track with the goals.

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  54. @askjoe:

    I’m not going to deny that Joe Biden had a number of political gaffes. I remember one time he said something along the lines of,”When the Great Depression hit, FDR went on television to console everyone.”

    Except FDR wasn’t the president when the Great Depression hit, and there were no televisions.

    Oops.

    I didn’t like any of the candidates in the past election, and while Obama certainly is eloquent and inspiring, he probably won’t be able to live up to his words. He’s a politician like the rest.

    I kind of wish John McCain was the republican candidate for the 2000 elections though. I think what killed him in 2008 was that he was acting as a puppet for the GOP, not as the maverick he really was previously.

    But yeah, besides that, I didn’t really like anyone in the last election, and I’m incredibly disillusioned by the American political system. And I can’t even vote yet. Wow.

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  55. girls who were into competitive sports instead of girls who danced or were into gymnastics

    I think this one is interesting, and I’ve heard similar things before. I know lots of dancers and athletes and I’ve heard a lot about the personality traits of athletes, etc. (which is, I think, what roissy is getting to up there.)

    IMHO, dancers are just as, or more, hardcore and tough as athletes, especially classically trained dancers. That stuff is HARD, yo, and requires a lot of motivation, control, and competitiveness. I actually find that I can make guesses about women based not on whether they were a dancer or an athlete, but what kind of dancer or athlete. A ballet dancer, who mostly dances non-partnered, has to develop different internal traits than a ballroom dancer. Same with a swimmer v. volleyball.

    I personally think some sports/dances encourage more ‘feminine’ traits than other, but I wouldn’t classify gymnastics as one of them. They even get boobs and body fat, but they stayed flexible. The (admittedly only 3, but collegiate level) I know well all lift regularly and are flexible, but no more so than a lot of yoga girls.

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  56. @GameinBK:

    Which is why I’m moving thousands of miles away from home in two months.

    I’m willing to leave my comfort zone, just not in more physical endeavors, shall we say? :/

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  57. Mandy I really don’t give a crap.

    All I know is if you willingly remain a virgin into your 20’s you have some serious psychological issues with your sexuality and your body.
    Maybe you are ok with sex- its just that you don’t want to have sex with your current man- that is perfectly fine.

    Btw:
    It isn’t you who should be reading this blog- it’s your (beta) helpless and hapless boyfriend that should reading this blog before its too late.

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  58. Laz, leave your email at [email protected] (a temp email addy), and i’ll contact you. Cheers

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  59. on June 25, 2009 at 3:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea ok I have no game for woman yet who freak me the fuck out. I guess I maybe can understand some guys frustrations. he he he

    Not often I freak the fuck out though.

    Just logistically right now is not the right time so it sucks.

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  60. @betainBK:
    “All I know is if you willingly remain a virgin into your 20’s you have some serious psychological issues with your sexuality and your body.”

    Why do you keep bringing up into my 20’s?

    I don’t think I ever stated that ANYWHERE.

    And as for the people I know who are virgins in their 20’s- they just have self-control and a relationship with God.

    >.>’
    “Maybe you are ok with sex- its just that you don’t want to have sex with your current man- that is perfectly fine.”
    I never said I didn’t want to.

    “It isn’t you who should be reading this blog- it’s your (beta) helpless and hapless boyfriend that should reading this blog before its too late.”

    mmhmm. Remind me why you’re on this blog again.

    And also, why are you attacking me?

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  61. on June 25, 2009 at 3:17 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Then tell her how you feel privileged to have almost been aborted by your mother, and the biggest injustice in the world is that gay marriage isn’t yet accepted by Afghan goat herders.”

    hahahaha oh god, this made me laugh so hard.

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  62. “puppet for the GOP, not as the maverick he really was previously” sigh…whatevers. wrong blog for treating this kind of MTV inculcated nonsense.

    Good for you Mandy, I think the point of this blog, from R’s perspective, is that if society is going to fall apart into a slutty stew of girls creating virtual harems with a few alpha men, he’s going to take advantage of that. So why not let a nice beta boy (as your BF has been alleged to be) have the joy of a relationship with a sexually discriminating or virtuous girl.

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  63. Mandy- our dialog is done.

    I have nothing more to add- I’ve stated my opinion- I won’t repeat or recycle my argument.

    I shall never address you again.

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  64. @askjoe:

    That’s the thing. I wouldn’t think of my boyfriend as being beta. Getting girls isn’t his problem. Before we were dating, and we were in that “flirting” or “hanging out” phase, desperate girls would always come by,”HEY X, THERE’s A PARTY AT MY HOUSE TONIGHT PLEASE COME.”

    Prom was so awkward because he kept getting drunk-dialed the whole night.
    And all my friends warned me about him because it’s easy to think that he’s flirting with you.

    One of the reasons I fell for him was because he was assertive in a confident, funny way. One day I was walking with him somewhere and got distracted by another male friend (aka kind of weird guy who had a crush on me at the time). He got annoyed by it, picked me up, and walked away with me in his arms. Tell me if a beta has ever done that and I’ll shut up.

    He’s the kind of guy who knows he can always attract girls, friends, people, but has a relationship with who he really wants. That’s how he seems. idk. maybe he is beta. I’m happy with him.

    And Game in BK, sorry if my happiness has pissed you off.

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  65. Since Thursday isn’t here yet…

    “All I know is if you willingly remain a virgin into your 20’s you have some serious psychological issues with your sexuality and your body.”

    …or have a sincere, serious religious faith that prohibits extramarital sex.

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  66. @Astra:

    Exactly what I said. A relationship with God.

    Well, except not all religions deal with the Christian God.

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  67. al, yeah, you’re on to something. Being feminine and sweet isn’t exclusive from being driven, hard working, or maybe a slight bit competitive. So, dancing is hard. The girls formed from the mold of a dance background seem to be sweet, hot, and feminine. But also, dance/gymnastic competition isn’t the same as a track and field or tennis competition which, as has been pointed out, can be won out by high testosterone gals.

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  68. @ LSB – Yeah, I know what you mean about coming across as too nice vs. not nice enough. For example, I know this guy whose wife is always doting all over him, and to me it comes across like she’s treating him like a child. I’m sort of embarassed for him when I’m around them. OTOH, sitting around and not lifting a finger to do anything nice for your man is wrong too. Do guys really like that motherly, doting thing? Also, yes, I totally agree that it should be genuine and not a “trick” to snag a man.

    @ askjoe – I see what you mean. Your list is sort of a list of indicators of whether a woman will be a total shrew, and with a couple exceptions I’d generally agree that it’s pretty accurate. However, it seems far easier to describe what a nice, compassionate woman is “not” than it is to describe what she “is”. I’m curious as to the latter (and by the way, thanks, again, to LSB for pointing out the questions in the dating market value quiz!).

    re: SP – I run out of fingers counting Republican women who have better experience and are would be more qualified for VPOTUS than Sarah Palin. Probably, most of them are married, have kids, and go to church. Thing is, none of them are nearly as cute as SP. The cuteness is what brings on her particular brand of haters.

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  69. But also, dance/gymnastic competition isn’t the same as a track and field or tennis competition which, as has been pointed out, can be won out by high testosterone gals.

    I think there is an element of aesthetic that suggests that, but I don’t think it’s really true. I actually think that dancers have just as masculine of figures are tennis or track stars, but they tend to be very tiny. Dance, done well, requires you to be very strong, just like athletics, and the better ones tend to have narrower hips, etc.

    Dancers really do move well, often very gracefully, etc., and are often need to cultivate a certain look. Not so much with the sports athletes (though the ‘pretty girl’ sports have more pressure than the, uh, ‘butch-ier’ ones to look a certain way. Hello hair ribbons.)

    Dancers are also accustomed to, and often crave, putting on a show. That sounds a wee bit more attention-whory than the cross country star who may compete without an audience.

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  70. @ Mandy! XD

    As I said before, do what you’re comfortable with. When you’re comfortable, it will just happen. There is NO NEED to throw yourself out of the comfort zone so you can “grow” — sex, especially first-time sex, is a much bigger deal for girls than it is for guys.

    I bet everyone on this board wants to marry (if they want to marry) a woman who’s had <5 partners, anyway.

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  71. Thanks for understanding me, LilGRL.

    As it is, I’m younger than everyone also. So it’s different for me than it is for more mature people. I know some people on this board are bitter and are bound to lash out at me, like GameinBK and Arpagus.

    Also, I don’t know if I’ve congratulated you, but congratulations on your engagement. 😀

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  72. “All I know is if you willingly remain a virgin into your 20’s you have some serious psychological issues with your sexuality and your body.”

    …or have a sincere, serious religious faith that prohibits extramarital sex.

    And the difference is?

    In the first your ego is to blame, and in the second it’s your superego. Big diff. In the first you feel sex is icky, and in the second you feel that the big parent that you have internalized feels that sex is icky. Big diff.

    It’s worse if it’s Gods fault that you don’t fuck – that shows your brain is divided into segments – ego and superego..

    Do more acid, and straighten that shit out.

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  73. @ Mandy! XD

    Thanks. Don’t worry. I was a very, VERY good girl growing up. And I have a shocking, disappointingly low number of partners considering I have recently been ousted as a super slutty mcslutterson [See A.J. Travis, who dedicated an entire blog post to my slutty, slutty ways.]

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  74. Game in BK: Why the hyper-aggression, dude? If we take her at face value, Mandy! XD is a minor-teenaged virgin, not a 20-something hung-up basket case of frigidity (or a slutty-McGillicutty either, for that matter).

    Maybe her boyfriend is beta, maybe not. Maybe he’ll be hittin’ it before school starts back up in the fall. The summer is young, and she has baked him that banana nut bread already. (Hmmmm….Freudian teenage-longing for “banana” & “nuts”… 😉 ).

    Mandy! XD: I will say this though, that your 20-something friends who are virgins have problems, and a “relationship with God” is among them. They should ditch their invisible friend, get some good chemicals in their system, and dial down the self control a notch or three.

    You’ll see what I mean in a few years, believe me.

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  75. pookie, when it comes to mating, a girl’s resume means very little to a guy. So yeah, your employer may be impressed by setting and meeting personal and professional challenges but not men.

    Ok, so my list was a humorous-ish detail of what is a sign of not fitting of whether woman is “generous, nurturing, and compassionate.” (GNC).

    Positive indicators…
    likes children, cute things, animals
    smiles, friendly, laughs at jokes. I think that if a girl were to encourage a guy talking to her, instead of issuing shit test after shit test, that would be a good sign. Maybe a girl willing to date the guy who is a little too eager to date her, rather than pursue/stalk the better looking or at least alpha-ier guy some chicks hit on and hook up with.
    shapely (sign of estrogen), i.e., being receptive to sweet, nervous approaches than social pecking order. I am think of J. Garner in Pearl Harbor.

    BTW, after counting about 95 senators, 50 governors, 200 representatives, 134 mayors, 23 judges, and maybe 200 leaders in the business world, I ran out of space counting people that were more qualified, based on resume, experience, than the current reader of the teleprompter of the free world.

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  76. *hangs head in shame*

    And here I thought “I’m sorry I missed my curfew, mom!” was clever, negging, andnon-offensive enough to get the roissy seal-of-approval.

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  77. @LilGRL:

    A.J. probably masturbates to your pictures. Seriously.

    I’m sorry if I just created disturbing images in your mind.

    Men do want women who aren’t total whores for serious things. Seriously. Sure, maybe they hate a girl that won’t sleep with them right away, but whatever. If they hate you because you won’t sleep with them right away, then they aren’t worth your time.

    xsplat:

    Are you suggesting that we do everything our id tells us to do then?

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  78. Madny!XD, the fact that you’re stupid enough to think McCain was acting as a puppet for the GOP, or that Obama is eloquent or a better speaker than most politicians shows how much MSNBC you watch and Daily Kos you read.

    get a clue.

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  79. Men hate women who won’t sleep with them but then sleep with a lot of guys easily. Either be easy access for us—or be hard to get for all.

    I stole this next bit, but its so true:

    The perfect girl is a young, pretty, supple virgin who knows nothing of sex but is eager for you, and you alone to defile her in every way you can.

    In other words, the perfect girl is a teenage girl.

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  80. Lurker,

    Obama is an eloquent speaker and McCain did change his stance on certain positions to satisfy the GOP.

    Now Obama’s eloquent speeches are also devoid of content, and even a slightly Puppeted McCain is better than Obama…

    But you’re no better than the people who do watch MSNBC all day and have no clue if you’re just going to be a guy who watches Fox News all day and doesn’t have a clue.

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  81. askjoe: “BTW, after counting about 95 senators, 50 governors, 200 representatives, 134 mayors, 23 judges, and maybe 200 leaders in the business world, I ran out of space counting people that were more qualified, based on resume, experience, than the current reader of the teleprompter of the free world.”

    Well said…well said indeed. The only thing novel about BHO is his half-Kenyan ancestry. Were he white, or even hispanic or asian, he likely would have never made it out of the Illinois legislature.

    BHO has zero “descended from slaves” ancestry, but yet he’s the greatest single beneficiary of SWPL race-guilt affirmative action thusfar. The man is hopelessly naïve.

    Too bad McCain was such a joke.

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  82. @lurker:

    It’s just that McCain seemed to suddenly change his stance on a lot of things.

    Obama’s words aren’t better, but his delivery for some reason was just able to capture people. If you asked a lot of people what they like about Obama, it would be the way he speaks or how his speeches “inspire hope.” I’m not stating my own opinions, I’m just stating what people seem to believe.

    I don’t really have a stance on politics in America. I think I’ve initially stated that Obama is a politician, LIKE THE REST. There is nothing about him more stellar or amazing, he just managed to get more votes and become president.

    Also, I don’t watch television. I haven’t in four years.

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  83. But you’re no better than the people who do watch MSNBC all day and have no clue if you’re just going to be a guy who watches Fox News all day and doesn’t have a clue.

    I take that back. You would still be better, just not by much.

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  84. @A-Bax:

    Actually, a lot of white Cubans didn’t want Obama to become President because they were afraid that black people would rise up and overthrow white people.

    After Obama won the election I got three texts forwarded to me that said:
    “ALL WHITE PEOPLE MEET AT THE CANE FIELDS AT 07:30 TOMORROW MORNING.

    Love,
    Obama”

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  85. I don’t get the teleprompter hate. All politicians read either from a teleprompter or paper when giving speeches or other remarks. In fact, they usually give a copy of the speech to the press ahead of time, and rarely veer from it.

    Notable exception: Gov. Sanford, who really should’ve borrowed someone’s teleprompter yesterday…

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  86. Gymnasts (and a lot of dancers) are very well conditioned athletes – among the very best. They are also overwhelmingly OCD (with all the flaky eating disorders and such that go with it).

    But both are big on femininity of the participants.

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  87. Former gymnasts definitely got the booty. That is all.

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  88. anyway, pooker, I think GNC can be detected by men when females act like they are more attracted to beta game than alpha game. AG exists to exploit some women’s trait to social climb.

    That’s what you wanted, a way to demonstrate GNC?

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  89. Gymnasts and dancers are often mental. They so much loved their moment of glory when they were 85 pound nymphettes and were the center of everybody’s attention, and that’s who they think they are (or yearn to be) even 20 years later when they’ve packed on the pounds and are completely out of training. They just can’t get over it, and many times they try to relive it vicariously through their kids or by becoming a dance / gym instructor.

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  90. What’s GNC?

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  91. @Tarl:

    Yeah, like the dancer from Benjamin Button.

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  92. And yes, dancers are very strong and likely feminine, but they are also competitive as hell, and are often attention whores. I say this as a former dancer. The cattiness was insane. Of course, I was a teenager; not sure if this still applies at the college+ level.

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  93. Of course, parties/clubs/bars aren’t the best places to meet people

    yes they are. because the are the only place left to meet people your own age.

    the kind of social circle that allowed couples to meet in the 50s does not exist anymore

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  94. GNC=generous, nurturing, and compassionate

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  95. @Pookie:

    I agree with you. I don’t have many dancer friends for that reason, even though I used to be a crazy dance freak.

    @gig:

    Well, maybe for certain people with certain interests they are.

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  96. Brazil just beat SOuth Africa in the Confederations cup. A football match between those two is almost a paroxism of SWPLness. The two captains even read a message agaisnt racism before the match. the Son of Man, or the Verb made Flesh, Saint Mandela himself blessed both teams

    I am feeling like a need to eat a temaki urgently

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  97. @askjoe:

    And what would AG be?

    Sorry for asking so many stupid questions.

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  98. Seeking Alpha:

    “Obama is an eloquent speaker and McCain did change his stance on certain positions to satisfy the GOP.”

    —wrong and wrong. McCain made the republicans change; he’s a middle ground guy, not a conservative, and the party supported his middle-ground positions. Palin was put in to satisfy the base, but his p[latform changed little.

    Obama speaks no better or worse than any other politicians. The so-called eloquence is really just this : 1) he’s a black guy who doesn’t sound like a cheap streetcorner preacher-hustler (i.e. he sounds like every other pol) 2) Bush was believed to be a bad speaker (though people never listened to him, just to press reports bashing him) and Obama was an opposition guy touted as a good speaker; and 3) liberals wanted a champion out-of-nowhere guy, so they paid attention to what he said and ignored others.

    “Now Obama’s eloquent speeches are also devoid of content, and even a slightly Puppeted McCain is better than Obama…”
    —trying to claim McCain—who almost had Joe Lieberman as a VP—as a GOP puppet shows how nutty you are.

    “But you’re no better than the people who do watch MSNBC all day and have no clue if you’re just going to be a guy who watches Fox News all day and doesn’t have a clue.”
    —lol. The shithead-in-chief as eloquent? Try listening to other politicians (more than 5-6) who are good speakers and then compare/contrast.

    Nobama isn’t bad, but he’s no better. Buying into the Chris Matthews hype is silly.

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  99. Well, maybe for certain people with certain interests they are

    I love thautological answers. face to face I would always ask if you think my interests are bad or good. you would answer sme girlish BS and I would answer, holding your hand, that my interest is on you

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  100. Tarl: you’ve described like 50% of the women in my hometown. That is exactly what happens. But hey, at least their kids are getting some exercise. They just need to learn to keep it up after high school. It is not pretty when a girl goes from dancing 2-3 hours a day to doing nothing but chugging beer at frat parties.

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  101. Mandy, being paranoid:

    “a lot of white Cubans didn’t want Obama to become President because they were afraid that black people would rise up and overthrow white people.”
    —proof of this ridiculous assertion, bizznich? your 3 texts sound like a) jokes and b) a very small sample size anyway.

    More likely, white cubans–or cuban-americans in general–didn’t like Obama because most are right wing republicans who hate Castro/communism, like the sanctions, and are traditional-family oriented and are Catholic. Obama’s soft communism/fascism, his “reaching out” to third world dictators liek Castro, removing sanctions, a nd socially liberal policies would be anathema to them.

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  102. contextualize, young woman! How else are you going to do well on your SATs. One of the things they taught us at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was contextualizing. and molotov cocktail making.

    I just came up with AG as an abbreviation for alpha game. Another thing they taught us in the CAC (got it?). That and flag burning.

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  103. God has placed a curse upon all Americans. You mst suffer with whale-like women because you created American food

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  104. Pookie: “I don’t get the teleprompter hate. All politicians read either from a teleprompter or paper when giving speeches or other remarks.”

    Yes, but none depend on it so *utterly* like the Bystander-In-Chief. Witness:

    The point is that he uses it as a crutch. That he can’t think on his feet. That he’s overly cerebral and bookish, and is literally lost without it. Can you imagine Clinton struggling like that if there were a technical glitch? Never. Obama’s “coolnees” and “smoothness” is teleprompter-dependant. Without it, he’s a stammering, sputtering empty suit.

    His over-reliance on the Teleprompter is a touchy subject within the White House. Axelrod and others *really* want him to wean himself off it, but Obama has thusfar proven unwilling or unable. The recent press conference that was moved indoor because of “humidity”? Bah! It was because the Dear Leader wouldn’t be able to read his precious screens through the glare.

    Check out this blog for some good humor:

    http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/

    You look at this one final image, and you begin to wonder if BHO needs a teleprompter in the shitter to remind him how to wipe his own ass:

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  105. trust mne ont hsi Mandy: if Alan Keys were elected president, cuban-americans would throw a fucking parade in honor.

    And Rush Limbaugh would be the standard bearer.

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  106. 2) Bush was believed to be a bad speaker (though people never listened to him, just to press reports bashing him)

    I listened to him, and he was a bad speaker, no doubt about it. The first 2004 debate with Kerry was particularly painful – Bush sounded like a whipped schoolboy. Often I would just read the transcript the next day rather than listen to him stumble through his speech live.

    The most galling part about it was that the guy could not make an effective case for why his policies were right even when they were right. I kept shouting at the TV, “no, no, no, for chrissake, here’s how to say what you really want to say!”

    It is not enough to have a correct policy. You must also be able to convey that policy in a convincing way to the American people. This is particularly difficult for Republicans, because the press will always try to spin whatever they say against them. Nevertheless, it must be done, and unfortunately Dubya failed completely in that realm.

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  107. @gig:

    Oh…well…I’m sorry for answering girlish BS?

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  108. @lurker:

    I’M CUBAN…sort of.

    While my friends come from all sorts of different backgrounds, I live in MIAMI. I have a crazy Cuban grandfather who thinks that he’s going to get to go back to Cuba and recover everything he once owned. Trust me, I know what the stereotypical Cuban thinks.

    It also doesn’t help that Obama’s “Change” slogan was the same one Castro used.

    The slightly more liberal Cubans were supporting Hilary over Obama.

    No lie.

    And yes, the texts were jokes, but they came from people I know who hate black people and refer to them as the n-word.

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  109. “Ambitchious”

    You’re big Roissy!

    Proud to announce that I calculated my responses as somewhat positive: Some 60% out of 100%…

    Although I think pseudo funny jokes to justify your late arrival are not good at all.

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  110. on June 25, 2009 at 6:10 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I laugh with great amusement at those of you that buy into the Left/Right Dialectic game. It’s really nothing more than political theater meant to distract the masses while the real powers that be continue to implement their agenda.

    Trust me, there would not be ONE iota of difference with what is going on with the economy and the foreign wars of American corporatist imperialism had McCain been elected President. Not one.

    If you really want to look for the substantive issues, look no further than the Feminist movement.

    While GOP politicians continue to LEAD THE FIGHT TO SAVE MARRIAGE by keeping We the Sheeple fighting over gay marriage…in which a very tiny minority of a minority group actually want to actually want to have, the REAL issues that are destroying the institution of marriage are left completely untouched by the “Christian Conservative” politicians.

    No-fault divorce, default child custody for women, child support and alimony programs, a skewed domestic violence laws and a cultural zeitgeist built upon feminist principles of matriarchal kinship, female victimology and outright misandry are all the giant elephant in the elephant parties living room. It is all of those things that have literally decimated the institution of Patriarchal marriage in this country.

    But you never hear the “conservative” and “christian” politicians even whimper about the following issues. No, it’s all about gays getting married. Or if they do talk about the decline in the institution of marriage, it is invariably focused on Men living up to their responsibilities…about Men being deadbeats, and about Men who abandon their families. Nary a word is ever mentioned that 70+% of all divorces are filed by women, and that the vast majority of those cases don’t even involve adultery or abuse on the man’s part…it’s simply women who fall out of lust with their beta-ized husband providers. The old “I’m bored, unfulfilled” or “I just don’t FEEL that way about him anymore!”

    If Marriage needs to be SAVED…it’s gonna take a total reversal of the current cultural consciousness, and the dismantling of the legal bureaucracies that were built at the behest of the feminist lobbyists to offer women incentives to break up their families in the divorce court mills of this country.

    The fact that no Republican politicians ever even come close to publicly discussing these easily verifiable facts regarding marriage and “feminism” just goes to show you how the “conservative” movement is just a grand charade.

    Oh, and for all the Obama voters…please, regale us with how your HOPE for CHANGE has played out now that he’s been in office for 6 months. How’s the rendition issue going? Guantanamo getting closed down? Torture? Look like any of the troops are gonna be coming home anytime soon? With a Democrat controlled congress, Obama literally has the rubber stamp to end all of these things he campaigned on. Hell, for all of the Bush executive orders he criticized, he simply has to issue a new executive order to end them…has he done so yet? Still hoping for that change? Or is the only CHANGE that matters to you is that the President is a guy with a D next to his name, and that he is charismatic and a great speaker?

    Republicrat or Democan…there’s not a damn bit of difference. They are two sides of the same coin. What we really have is a bi-factional ruling party of elites and puppets, with each side taking their turn as the teleprompter reader every 4 or 8 years.

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  111. Dave from Hawaii

    Good post.

    Novaseeker has covered this well. It is a mixture of conservative chivalry and liberal feminism.

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  112. “The perfect girl is a young, pretty, supple virgin who knows nothing of sex but is eager for you, and you alone to defile her in every way you can.

    In other words, the perfect girl is a teenage girl.”

    physically perhaps…mentally and emotionally, hell to the no.

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  113. Chuck, like women really mature out of the mental and emotional state of teenagers in this country.

    gimme a teen distracted by shiny objects any day.

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  114. “a crazy Cuban grandfather who thinks that he’s going to get to go back to Cuba and recover everything he once owned.”
    –you mean getting back his stolen property? He should want that.

    “It also doesn’t help that Obama’s “Change” slogan was the same one Castro used.”
    —in other words, the Cubans were pissed at Nobama’s communist leaning. Duh.

    “The slightly more liberal Cubans were supporting Hilary over Obama.”
    –no kidding, since she wasn’t the fascist nutcase we’ve got shitting up the country now. She’s like William F. Buckley comapred to Nobama.

    “And yes, the texts were jokes,”
    —so they’re not valid points. you lose.

    “but they came from people I know who hate black people and refer to them as the n-word.”
    —so, again, 3 people, right? good sample size there, sister.

    and referring to black people as the n-word? the way blacks constantly racially attack whites and yet the pc world doesn’t allow the opposite? Just saying a guy’s a nigger isn’t the same as wanting to kill all the blacks.

    Man talk, woman.

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  115. Michael Jackson died. Sorry to post it here, but it’s pretty big news and I didn’t see anyone reference it at all. Or maybe no one is interested, in which case sorry for jumping on the thread.

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  116. Tarl, after listening to his speeches to conservative groups, he is a decent speaker. he gets caught up on Q&A, true enough, but remember:

    all of Obama’s “great speaking” was done, like Bush’s decent speeches, in front of friendly liberal crowds. Prepared speeches. off telepropmters.

    in contrast, during Q&A’s or interviews, he stumbles, uses umm and hmm a lot, and avoids difficult questioners (aka Fox News).

    Judging them together by Bush’s Q&A versus Obama’s prepared crap is comparing apples to oranges.

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  117. @lurker:

    Yes, he should, but it’s not his anymore. It belongs to other people now, people who are struggling through Castro’s regime. Yes, I understand, it’s “his country,” but he can’t accept the fact that he’s in AMERICA NOW.

    Everyone else has moved on, in a country with more opportunities than ever, and here there’s a group of old Cubans being completely idiotic. Do they really think they’re going to go back? No. Time to put on the big boy/girl pants and move on.

    A lot of the same Cubans that were Hilary supporters voted for McCain, hoping that a white man would be put in office. It has nothing to do with policy, because Hilary and Obama were practically running on the same platform.

    The texts were being forwarded from person to person. I brought up the text message during a club meeting to get at least thirty other people who had gotten the same one, forwarded from at least four or five times.

    When I asked one of the people who forwarded it to me if he was serious, he said,”Yes. I’ve already told you this, black people are going to rise up after years of being oppressed and crime rates are going to go up, etc.”

    I couldn’t believe him. But yeah, I guess that is man-talk for you.

    And I’ve never been attacked by a black person for being white. I don’t understand where people get this idea of all this racial hate being directed at whites. Then again, I can understand it. I once had to deal with a girl screaming at me about how “you people” won’t learn English, how “you people” are on welfare, how “you people” are taking her family’s jobs.

    I didn’t know whether to punch her or cry. I decided to feel sorry for her instead. She was suffering from a chronic case of the stupids.

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  118. My theory/strategy behind these kinds of behaviors from women is that they are (partially conscious and partially unconscious) testing you for alpha congruency. This is one of those kinds of questions that is a lose-lose situation for guys with no game (another example is the, “do i look fat..?”), these are setups with opportunities to amplify attraction or demolish it, like cars at a redneck monster truck rally down in the dirty south.

    Without observing the body language and tone of the woman that roissy speaks of in this story makes it harder to analyze. My response was based on a woman asking in a serious tone, like an actual question that wreaks of indignancy. I responded the way I did because I think that would be one of the best ways to amplify attraction. This also sets up a completely new frame for not only the introduction, but for the whole date as well. If I get there and turn a negative attitude on her part into a lighthearted joke, this sets the mood – bringing it back to when we met (where initial attraction and comfort was being built with stories, kino and push-pull).

    Roosh said definitely no smiles. I would disagree with this because I’m trying to setup a new frame, turn the tables and make this playfully about HER. All of the sudden she’s in a position to be qualifying herself to ME. For those of you who said, “I couldn’t think of a quick response like that on the fly..” – I’m discovering that now, since I’m having steady sex with a few girls, my game is SHARP. I have that “could give a fuck” attitude because no matter what I know I can go fuck a hot girl after a few texts with her pretty much anytime I want. This confidence radiates, pua’s aren’t lying when they say that this shit makes a HUGE difference.

    If you study lines like “you miss me” or “you love me” or “if you keep acting like a brat I’m going to spank you like a redheaded stepchild” (most women usually respond with “…and I would love that”) – these are statements that can be used at almost ANY time. If a girl is being bratty or difficult, I laugh at her, then stop, look her in the eye and say “you love me.” HOLD, HOLD… that’s how you start winning over 9s and 10s.

    You want to have confidence, competence and kind of an attitude that conveys that you live in YOUR OWN reality. There is a balance, but for most guys, they couldn’t (even if they tried) do anything that is ego-driven that would hurt their chances with women, because they are too “nice” and suck up to them all the time.

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  119. on June 25, 2009 at 7:49 pm Cliff Arroyo

    His last words:

    “Because I’m dead
    I’m dead – come on
    You know I’m dead
    I’m dead – you know it!
    You know I’m dead
    I’m dead – come on
    And the whole world has to answer right now
    Just to tell you once again who’s dead!”

    Yes, I’m going to hell.

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  120. on June 25, 2009 at 7:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea brad having one already does indeed I think help quite a bit because yea you really don’t give a fuck.

    Sometimes you get a curveball one you really could give a fuck about but it is not the right time. Thems the breaks of life and what you use as a catalyst to achieve.

    Other hand told the woman at work about death of michael and yea they are now going through his life history.

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  121. “Novaseeker has covered this well. It is a mixture of conservative chivalry and liberal feminism.”

    @ Default User —

    Yep. The conservatives are no help because they are steeped in chivalry, which makes them the perfect accomplices of the feminists.

    If feminism were serious about equality, it would have been much more serious about chivalry and dismantling it. But chivalry actually benefits women, and prevents feminism from being resisted. So even though chivalry (basically placing women’s needs ahead of men’s needs) is inequality by definition, feminism hasn’t lifted a finger to get rid of it, because by keeping it in place they co-opt the dumb as rock conservatives from unwittingly supporting most feminist goals, or at the very least muting the portion of the population that would be most likely to resist feminism. In some ways, one could rightly say that contemporary feminism *is* chivalry run amok.

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  122. Agree Nova…conservatives would sell any man up the river out of chivalry.

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  123. And roissy, that is brilliant what you said, “no dc girl comes on time.” Women are very very swayed by public opinion and group think. When you generalize behaviors of hers and parallel it against that of other women or other groups, she will do everything in her power to prove herself the exception to the rule, especially if it is done in a ‘neg’ fashion – where the behavior of the group isn’t insulted directly, but you imply that the behavior is:
    1. immature (for a younger girl)
    2. clingy/needy/desperate (for an older girl)
    3. “weird” (for a particularly stuck-up girl who is used to everyone kissing her ass) – use this word on a girl relating it to group think and see her reaction, amazing
    4. dull/stupid (for intelligent girls)
    5. average (for 9s and 10s)
    i.e. roissy “i assumed you’d be late because all dc girls are” – this sets up a precedent where she has her foot in the door, she thinks that you aren’t afraid to call her on her shit first of all (in a playful way) – then she spends the whole night (and beyond) proving how she is her own person, not like every typical dc chick

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  124. on June 25, 2009 at 8:12 pm Virginia Gentleman

    novaseeker:

    Meh, chivalry. When taken to task about that sort of thing, I reply in the manner of an Englishman I heard of once: “You got your equality; you can stand like the rest of us.” I think I gave up the general practice of the chivalric manner a while back on the basis of cost-benefit; a guy that I knew had a wife who expected doors to be held, chairs to be pulled, etc.—that particular marriage seems to have collapsed.

    If the reward for such conduct is to be sneered at by either the feminists or the general female populace, then hey, I’d at least like to personally benefit from a conduct to be sneered at. That level of courtesy, having no particular market value at this point in time, is obsolete. I could, however, see reviving it for the right woman; meanwhile, senior citizens and the like will still have doors held. That’s just common decency.

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  125. @Cliff Arroyo:

    I’ll probably be on the bus with you then.

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  126. on June 25, 2009 at 8:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    I had to sing that shit out loud cliff lol

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  127. @Chuck:

    I was actually waiting for you to attack me. o.0

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  128. “Spend a weekend or two hitting on girls in Boulder or Austin or Kauai or somewhere where people actually go outside every now and then and then let me know if you still feel this way.”

    I’m presently in Boulder on business. The women here all look like leatherface. Northern Europeans should not spend that much time in the sun. Tanning looks good but is ultimately disgusting.

    I could not help but overhear a leatherfaced ogre across from me in a restaurant: she was two years older than me, and her flesh is hanging off her bones like a burn victim. She runs, and obviously bakes out in the sun a lot. I, by contrast, mostly sit in libraries and saloons, and haven’t a wrinkle on my body north of my scrotum.

    Personally, I have never met a marathon runner who didn’t look like this, so I never got to the whole, “nurturing qualities of a gila monster” part.

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  129. Dave —

    Gay Marriage = Polygamy, and marriage itself redefined as “gay.” This does two things. One, straight Men will avoid it like the plague, two it creates even more open revolt as taxes from straight single men pay for the multiple wives of Muslim men. It’s a freaking disaster, everywhere Gay Marriage has existed, Polygamy and the collapse of traditional marriage follows. Yes there’s a need to reform custody/alimony etc. There’s also a need to avoid right now society’s suicide through Gay Marriage. That’s the fire burning on our feet.

    As for “war,” you may not be interested in it, to misquote Lenin, but it is interested in you. Nuke proliferation gives even a failed state like Pakistan the ability to have a few nukes “borrowed” by tribal/factional/jihad leaders and boom! there goes NYC and few million Americans. Like it or not, that’s the price for allowing nuke proliferation in the 1990’s. I.E. constant engagement which requires troops on the ground near places like Iran and Pakistan so we can if need be reach out and touch people. BEFORE NYC goes boom!

    Moreover, there is a PROFOUND difference between the two parties. Republicans are the party of White men “plus” the various economic or what have you SWPL conservatives, and married women. Dems are oriented AGAINST White Men, period. Full Stop. From Robert Reich (see him on Youtube) saying White Men must not get any stimulus money to NOW changing the Stimulus funds to it goes to pay for female social workers instead of construction employing White Men, the Democratic Party is oriented around a concept: Screw White Men and a coalition (everyone but Straight White Men) that is radically different from Republicans. Republicans favor Defense which spends a lot of money on stuff built by Straight White MALE Defense Workers and manned by Straight White Men. Dems favor lots of female social workers doing … well nothing useful. Republicans favor locking up criminals, and Dems favor hugging them, like the useless anti-Gang stuff in LA, where the leader of an anti-Gang organization that got millions in Fed Funding was indicted yesterday for … running a gang murder ring.

    The most radically Male-Oriented pol in the US is Sarah Palin: drilling, resource extraction, defense, traditional marriage, etc. That’s why men and older, post 50 married women love her. And yuppie women hate her. Real reform is possible, but only so far as the Republican leadership fears the base more than the NYT. I disagree with Novaseeker. It’s not Chivalry but nascent SWPL Yuppiedom in a political class disconnected and hostile to the base that is the problem with anti-Male Reps.

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  130. @gig : Obviously you haven’t been to U.K.
    Some American chicks push themselves and want to look good for their men. You just have to watch their attitudes about looks. Back away if they whine that men should love women for their insides.

    @LilGRL: Double standard, but damn straight.
    Want my future Missus to have been under less than 4-5 guys.

    @askjoe :

    By dancers I would add ballerinas, not pole dancers.
    Shapely on the leaner but not emaciated side.
    Soft skin shows high estrogen too.
    Add endlessly understanding, does kegels and has plenty of energy.
    Isn’t brainwashed by her family/friends’ opinions of me or the world at large.
    Politics really don’t amount to shit in Chickland imho.
    My Mom’s borderline liberal and damned if she isn’t perfect.
    If she can’t stay home by herself, then I imagine she’ll be a cheater eventually.
    Playful over competitive.

    @novaseeker :

    You would be wrong there.
    I enjoy chivalry for a two fold reason.
    I feel superior and on feminine women it works like a charm.
    Feminists don’t appreciate little gallant gestures.
    Sneers instead.
    Does make for some good angry fucking though.
    It’s always been about a hate filled gender war.

    @Mandy! XD :
    You and your boyfriend sound like healthy well adjusted people. Stick with your boyfriend. Sounds like he wouldn’t care if people thought he was a Beta or Alpha.
    Which makes him better than Alpha.

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  131. @Lupo

    HOLY SHIT ahahhaha

    Did we see the same chick ? I just left Boulder last week.
    The chicks look like baked chicken mummies.
    The sizzlelean windburnt marathon look is a turn of.

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  132. @Lupo

    In DC the marathon broads are a special breed of alcoholics with leftover smokers’ voices from college. They may be worse than Boulder babes. At least they’re tight from yogalates shit they do.

    If women were all barefoot and pregnant they couldn’t run and ruin their hotness.

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  133. Moreover, there is a PROFOUND difference between the two parties. Republicans are the party of White men “plus” the various economic or what have you SWPL conservatives, and married women.

    Whiskey, I agree somewhat in broad strokes. But in my view, the Republican Party is profoundly rotten and corrupt.

    I basically agree with Dave from Hawaii that there is little difference between both parties.

    But I throw in the caveat that where there is a little flicker of decency, you’ll find it among Republicans. I wrote in Tom Tancredo last year.

    By the way, beware of techno-utopians like Gingrich. Ignore any politicians who doesn’t make stopping immigration his priority.

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  134. My take on the 2008 election — I’m glad that scum traitor McCain lost, and I’m tuning out Obama.

    I miss Ronald Reagan, the last American president.

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  135. @Whiskey:

    “Women HATE HATE HATE Palin because she married a blue collar guy, did not abort her Down’s syndrome kid, end of story.”

    This is what bothers me. People assume that for a woman to dislike another woman, she must be jealous of her or it must be for some stupid reason.

    Sure, maybe some women hate her for that. I think what really bothered people about Palin was that she CHOSE life, but wanted to force women into having life as their only option. That’s the thing. Palin called herself pro-life, but in reality she made a choice in keeping her child, and wanted to take away that choice from other women.

    I honestly think,”Hey, more power to her,” for keeping her child. It’s a hard decision, and with her money and resources, I know she’ll take great care of her child. I kind of hated how people ragged on her for her family, and a lot of other people found it wrong as well. Bristol Palin is nobody’s business, her down syndrome child was nobody’s business.

    At the same time, she was putting her family in the spotlight and advertising it. So that indubitably leads to open criticism on it, even if that’s more than a little…disrespectful.

    Women hated Sarah Palin because she wasn’t a woman’s candidate. Simply put. People acknowledged that she was pretty, people acknowledged that she’s power mom, but she wanted to dismantle those same rights from other women, and do you think they’re going to openly agree to that?

    Also– working class status? As the governor of Alaska?

    And furthermore, if you think Sarah Palin doesn’t have a styling team that does her hair, her make-up, and picks out her nice, expensive, Saks fifth avenue jackets, you’re insane. She does it, every Presidential/Vice Presidential candidate does it. We all know about the Nixon/Kennedy debates. Kennedy seemed to appeal to the masses so much more on television because of well-applied makeup and better stage presence.

    @SveIK:
    “You and your boyfriend sound like healthy well adjusted people. Stick with your boyfriend. Sounds like he wouldn’t care if people thought he was a Beta or Alpha.
    Which makes him better than Alpha.”
    Thank you.

    He’d probably laugh at them, then poke fun at them for it.

    He’s got a lot of confidence. I wouldn’t call him Beta or Alpha. I’d call him amazing. But you know, I’m biased.

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  136. “I enjoy chivalry for a two fold reason.
    I feel superior and on feminine women it works like a charm.
    Feminists don’t appreciate little gallant gestures.
    Sneers instead.
    Does make for some good angry fucking though.
    It’s always been about a hate filled gender war.”

    @SVeIK —

    Chivalry isn’t gallant gestures. Chivalry is why society spends more money on female health, why family law slants toward women, why the media portrays men as buffoons and men as competent, why female on male DV is overlooked, why prison sentences for the same crime are much less on average for women and on and on.

    You may like being gallant because it gets you laid. But that isn’t chivalry. Chivalry is an entire social system that tilts almost all social opinion against men. It works hand in hand with feminism to stifle male complaint about female privilege, and it’s very effective in ensuring that feminism continues its march through the culture.

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  137. Whiskey you are right when you hint that McCain *could* have won this election if he really wanted to. Ads were ready for the making (and in some cases, actually made) that would have obliterated Obama among middle Americans. McCain did not want it enough. Period.

    I disagree that women hate that Palin married a blue collar guy. There are educated women, even maybe liberal ones, that are into hunky blue collar guys. I know that female lawyers married to cops or firemen is not completely uncommon. I think they mock Palin because of the moose burgers and accent and relative stupidity. Btw Palin is not as pro-male as you think. She fucked around on her hubby and she calls herself a “pro-life feminist.”

    Re female athletes – volleyball, field hockey players, runners, swimmers can have a great combo of body and competitiveness, without losing all the girliness. Basketball, soccer, softball, lacrosse are more butch and aggressive.

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  138. on June 25, 2009 at 10:55 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Yeah Whiskey, there is a profound difference between the two parties – the Republicans at least have Ron Paul, the only man in Washington who is telling the truth about the current economic fiasco perpetrated by the Federal Reserve.

    Other than that, as I said, their would not be one whit of a difference in the policies being enacted and carried out right now had McCain won the election to be the next official teleprompter reader and Prime propaganda disseminator.

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  139. @SV”In DC the marathon broads are a special breed of alcoholics with leftover smokers’ voices from college. They may be worse than Boulder babes. At least they’re tight from yogalates shit they do.”

    sounds like you met some real pieces of work.

    Are people actually talking to sweet, sweet, dumb 17 year old about politics? Look, there’s a 20-40 year period in some girl’s lives where all common sense, rationality, and reasoning is gone, and they vote the way Samantha does on SATC because she’s sassy. And she doesn’t want to be an inbred, hillbilly republican, because that’s what the cool girls told her.

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  140. @ novaseeker

    Everything you accused Chivalry of standing for is the supreme definition of Feminism.

    >In his monumental study of Chivalry, The Broad-Stone of Honour, Kenelm Henry Digby offered the following definition: “Chivalry is only a name for that general spirit or state of mind which disposes men to heroic actions, and keeps them conversant with all that is beautiful and sublime in the intellectual and moral world.”Modern chivalry fit fairly well during a time before the current women’s rights movement, when women began to reject traditional roles and behavior, including the roles and behavior required for garnering chivalrous behavior.

    For example, feminism taught women that displays of chivalry were, in many ways demeaning and condescending. The new idea was that since men did not hold doors for each other, why would they do so for any other equal? The image of the chivalrous man protecting the weaker “damsel in distress” did not fit well with the evolving image of the woman as equal, strong and independent.<

    http://www.chivalrytoday.com/Essays/James/James-Darryl.html

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  141. Kamal once wrote an excellent comment on chivalry. He outlined how th etradition goes back to aristocratic Europe, and it purpose was to soften the razor edge a certain warlike class of men of the times.

    The problem is that today we still have the “softened edge” but without the warlike quality.

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  142. @SVeIK —

    Again I am not talking about holding doors open. Chivalry is deeper than that.

    A good resource for you on that is Richard Driscoll’s book “You Still Don’t Understand”. It isn’t about picking up the check and holding the door. It is a tradition in Western culture that goes back to the middle ages where women were seen as superior to men, and men were supposed to serve their interests. That was okay when men’s roles were respected and honored, as they are not today. When you take away that quid-pro-quo, it disintegrates into a prop supporting feminism.

    The reason more men don’t speak out against feminism and about current female behavior is that the culture punishes men for it — especially other men, including conservatives who are *not* feminists. That cultural punishment is chivalry — the idea that women are to be supported, protected, and that they count more than men do. That long, long predates feminism, but it has survived feminism because it is useful for women and feminism.

    Sure feminism says chivalry is unequal. But feminism supports chivalrous laws. You say they are not chivalrous, but feminist. In the current context, there is no difference.

    I was speaking with a feminist a month or so ago on the famous topic “the patriarchy is bad for men, too”. I disagreed with her, and she pointed out that family law presumptions in favor of mothers are based on chivalry, and, in her view, that is patriarchy, so I should be a feminist. I then pointed out that NOW is against overturning mother custody presumptions, which led to shaming language.

    Feminists CLAIM to be against chivalry. In fact they have not lifted a finger to remove chivalrous laws (ones they themselves admit are based on chivalry) because this benefits women.

    Go ahead and suck up to women and be chivalrous all you like — your life, not mine. But be aware that you are playing into feminism by doing that, under the current circumstances, because right now feminism is using chivalry against men, and very, very effectively .. in no small part because of the attitudes of men like yourself.

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  143. their would not be one whit of a difference in the policies being enacted and carried out right now had McCain won the election to be the next official teleprompter reader and Prime propaganda disseminator.

    A McCain victory would have been a horrible disaster both for the GOP and conservatives. McCain would never be able to do anything in the face of large Democratic majorities in Congress, plus the media and half the country would be enraged by Obama’s defeat. Unless McCain wanted to spend 4 years being “Mr. Veto”, which he wouldn’t, he’d have to be Mr. Bipartisan Compromise, which the SOB already had a long record of doing. Therefore we’d get all the horrible policies Obama is going to give us, but with a GOP stamp on them, which would make conservatives hate the GOP, and of course Democrats would never give McCain any credit for passing liberal legislation. At least with Obama all the pathetic lickspittles at National Review and Weekly Standard have to oppose the President – if McCain had won they’d be cheering him on and finding reasons Republicans should support every horrible liberal thing he did.

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  144. @askjoe

    “Are people actually talking to sweet, sweet, dumb 17 year old about politics?”
    I resent that.

    ” Look, there’s a 20-40 year period in some girl’s lives where all common sense, rationality, and reasoning is gone, and they vote the way Samantha does on SATC because she’s sassy. And she doesn’t want to be an inbred, hillbilly republican, because that’s what the cool girls told her.”
    I don’t watch SATC (as I’ve stated before, I don’t watch television), but I did watch the end of the movie and I have to say that ALL the characters were annoying. And stupid. Samantha had to be the dumbest of them all. “I just want some me time, you don’t deserve me totally awesome boyfriend who has a higher market value than I do.”

    Also, I don’t see what that has to do with politics. As I’ve stated, I don’t agree with Republicans. I also DON’T agree with democrats on a lot of issues. Seriously, most democrats I know are young people who sit around in circles wearing shirts that say things like,”Save Darfur!” “WOW I SPENT FIVE DOLLARS ON THIS SHIRT SO I MUST TOTALLY CARE ABOUT THE WORLD’S PROBLEMS!” “WOW I HAVE A BUMPER STICKER ABOUT SAVING THE PLANET SO I MUST TOTALLY CARE ABOUT SAVING THE PLANET EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER POTENTIAL CAUSES TO GLOBAL WARMING THAN PEOPLE AND CARBON EMMISSIONS!”

    Just because I’m not with you doesn’t mean I’m with them. I think it’s all a load of bullshit, personally. Excuse the language.

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  145. The problem is, most women aren’t very smart.

    Women are entirely governed by fashion and groupthink. Hence, we see :

    1) Knee-jerk support for leftism, despite a total lack of any knowledge of political science
    2) Interest in celebrity news – the ultimate stamp of stupidity
    3) Total lack of interest in subjects that matter
    4) Belief in the value of owning not just a house, but an unecessarily large house.
    5) Utter lack of awareness of how different life is for women in the West vs. the rest of the world, particularly the Islamic world.

    Women just are not smart enough to become thinkers.

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  146. The problem is not the smartness of women. The problem is that self-awareness of their true thoughts/instincts represents a burden to them and not an advantage.
    Consider this: How could it help them to consciously know that their pussy hates the sort of man who is most likely to stick around to help raise a child of hers?

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  147. Dave from Hawaii said:

    “Hell, for all of the Bush executive orders he criticized, he simply has to issue a new executive order to end them…has he done so yet? ”

    Answer: Yes. Stem cell research is one example.

    Whiskey: there’s probably no single industry benefiting more from the Recovery Act than the construction industry. Lotsa white guys there. The bill is signed and the money’s being spent, and the POTUS/VP are thrilled that so much funding is going towards infrastructure (because it’s easy to quantify and show everyone what was accomplished).

    SVeIK: It is nearly impossible to be an alcoholic and a marathon runner. I tried (to drink and train, not to actually be an alcoholic). The marathon won, but I went running back to my wine after. I have remained faithful.

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  148. Tood, so if a woman does not meet any of those criteria, does that mean…she’s not really a woman? What about, say, a female political science PhD? Or are they just exceptions to the rule?

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  149. PA:

    I miss Ronald Reagan, the last American president.

    Well, it was certainly exciting to watch the Soviet Bloc disintegrate, and Reagan arguably made it happen faster. Also, I was only a kid back then, but I’m sure that it was a lot of fun to watch him make all sorts of leftists cringe with his open and honest “evil empire” rhetoric. However, my impression is that the spectacle of the triumphant Cold War finale has ultimately shown to be a red herring in a broader historical perspective.

    Reagan and Thatcher are praised and fondly remembered on the right as people who won the ultimate victory over the old hardline socialist left, both on the home front and in the Cold War abroad. Yet, looking back from our time, it seems to me that they merely delivered a coup de grace to an already moribund enemy, while at the same time, the truly dangerous trends embodied by the postmodern left continued flourishing unchallenged under them, and were arguably even boosted by their policies. If you look at just about any issue, it’s pretty obvious that the Anglosphere at the end of the 1980s was much further to the left than a decade earlier. Soviet-style socialism was indeed discredited, but the legacy of the New Deal and Great Society remained untouched, and the postmodern left that presently dictates the acceptable limits of legitimate public life was strengthened greatly (which soon manifested itself in the political correctness tsunami of the early nineties).

    Overall, I think it’s a great mistake to focus on political parties and elected politicians when analyzing any period in the post-New Deal politics anywhere in the Anglosphere. In reality, they are not truly active agents, but merely reflect the ideological and cultural mainstream of their time, which is moved by entirely different forces. Expecting that anything truly important might change because one politician or another gets elected is as delusional as expecting that the illness of a man suffering from fever can somehow be influenced by manipulating the thermometer under his arm. If there is any chance that the constant leftward shift of the political mainstream might be reversed, it definitely doesn’t lie in electoral politics.

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  150. @Tood:
    “1) Knee-jerk support for leftism, despite a total lack of any knowledge of political science
    2) Interest in celebrity news – the ultimate stamp of stupidity
    3) Total lack of interest in subjects that matter
    4) Belief in the value of owning not just a house, but an unecessarily large house.
    5) Utter lack of awareness of how different life is for women in the West vs. the rest of the world, particularly the Islamic world.”
    This is why I have a total of 3 close female friends.

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  151. Re: George the 2nd.
    I have never met him but I know several people who have. Indeed, my own mom spent some time with him when he was running his dads campaign in Texas. A long time ago..
    Everyone of these contacts said exactly the same thing”The guy is totally different in person than on TV.”

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  152. @Pookie

    Stemcells: the science here is interesting, and TOTUS ignored most of it. His approach ignores advances in successful, adult stem cells for dogmatic persistence in harvesting unproven fetal stem cells. But whatever, aside from breaking all his promises, he kept his word on promoting nonviable stem cell research….just like Spock!

    I’ve seen the alcoholic marathon runner thing. It’s real.

    @Vladimir, I skimmed your comments, Coulter has a take down of the “well, the USSR was done by the time Reagan/Thatcher/Pope John the Great were around” meme. By the time Oba…I mean Carter was done, people were writing books and NYT editorials for years asking whither America, or pontificating on the acsendent soviet empire.

    @Mandy, all caps hurt your elder’s eyes.

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  153. @Pooks…the real reason people are here…my term the GNC, of course, you can be a female layer, PhD, PR exec, beach volleyball player, etc. and be the Ying to our Yang. It’s just that some impartial observers of DC’s dating world have found that these qualities tend towards being a member of Roissy’s harem. Buck the tide, be nice to the beta boys trying to be nice to you.

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  154. @askjoe:

    I apologize, Great Wise One.

    How are your cataracts today?

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  155. novaseeker:

    I was speaking with a feminist a month or so ago on the famous topic “the patriarchy is bad for men, too”.

    The only realistic reply to such silly statements is that real patriarchy — not the feminist strawman — was good for women, too. Without at least some patriarchal social arrangements, you get people living lives from a Houellebecq novel. Lots of fun when you’re young (but even that largely denied to those from the left end of the attractiveness bell curve), followed by degeneration into a sad, absurd, and useless creature as soon as the youth is gone.

    [Chivalry] was okay when men’s roles were respected and honored, as they are not today. When you take away that quid-pro-quo, it disintegrates into a prop supporting feminism.

    You’re writing as if a man should behave chivalrously either towards all women or towards none. In reality, you can choose to practice it only with women who are deserving. You’re right however that modern conservatives are significantly overestimating the ratio of such women in the modern population, which makes their positions on a variety of issues even more delusional.

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  156. *the real reason people are here* I meant: dating, girl boy stuff, swooping fly-girls, Brioni suits…politics not as much (I think, right?)

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  157. Obama still supports human non-embryonic and non-human embryonic stem cell research. He just wants to use all options, and believes that some embryonic stem cell lines can be used ethically to advance science. He’s got the best and brightest scientists from across the world working with him on this right now (the guidance details to go along with his EO should come out in early July).

    I’ll admit he hasn’t done the best job of communicating all this. I’m hoping that will come with the new guidance in July.

    Askjoe: well, I for one couldn’t handle marathon training and heavy drinking, but I get dehydrated really easily. In fact, I should go get a glass of water or two right now!

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  158. @Pookie:

    I know you mentioned some midnight legislation Obama cancelled. He also cancelled Bush’s midnight legislation that allowed doctors, pharmacists, and nurses to refuse contraceptives or contraceptive medical procedures on moral grounds.

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  159. Mandy:

    Sounds familiar, but I don’t know as much about that EO. I wouldn’t put stem cells in that category because Bush set the policy early on, in 2002 I believe, so it wasn’t a “midnight” move like some of the others. Also, it took Obama a while to get the stem cell EO out. As it turns out, they are still working out some issues. I’m just glad they’re thinking through all the moral and scientific issues, and have brought in the best minds to help.

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  160. dammit, I am a junkie:

    quoth the Kraut:

    “Obama’s address was morally unserious in the extreme. It was populated, as his didactic discourses always are, with a forest of straw men. Such as his admonition that we must resist the “false choice between sound science and moral values.” Yet, exactly 2 minutes and 12 seconds later he went on to declare that he would never open the door to the “use of cloning for human reproduction.”

    For all of W’s faults, his failures to communicate were also structural, see Kuyper’s examination of media coverage of his speeches…“if someone were relying only on the mainstream media for information, they would have no idea what the president actually said. It was as if the press were reporting on a different speech.”

    just saying….

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  161. @Pookie :

    I’m 27 and date 22 to 25 span. The booze/running doesn’t get em down. But whatever.

    In other old news, here is reason # 1 that women here bring shitty treatment on themselves:
    http://citygirldc.blogspot.com/2008/02/another-saturday-night-in-dc.html
    Average bitches here suffer from deranged inflated self image.
    Maybe we’re not talking to them because they’re the problem.
    They won’t bridge the gap, so they don’t get their gaps filled.

    screw this.
    Porn

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  162. So let me give this a shot: Roissy says that “It is the essence of yang polarity to take up personal challenges and compete against the limits of one’s endurance and pain threshold. This is what men do. When women do it, it’s unnatural, a big middle finger to the sex she was born as. While women like this can fuck like champs, they will invariably fall short in the areas that matter to men for long term relationships — generosity, nurturance, compassion, submissiveness, alluring coyness, and proper female deference.”

    So rather than develop our own challenges and goals, we should support our man’s goals, right? And the best way to do that is to look pretty and be nurturing and generous and submissive, right? And so a woman doing a triathalon would be of no interest to a man, because that triathalon does not help him in any way (except maybe to help her keep fit). And a woman pursuing such goals in her life is not likely nurturing her man, because she’s too busy bike/swim/running, right?

    Hate to admit it, but it kind of makes sense. Weird that my ex practically begged me to train for a marathon (not with him, he didn’t do it). (and no, I was not a fatty trying to lose weight!)

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  163. SVeIK, so are you saying that women should approach men more? Or, that the women in this example should have taken better care of themselves so that more men would approach them? Or, that they should be nicer to the men that *do* talk to them?

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  164. @novaseeker :

    Aside from paternity/divorce laws that heavily favor women, I don’t have any problem with other laws that give protections and rights to chicks.

    There are many women I like.
    Unfortunately, they’re either relatives or too plain to want to fuck.

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Chivalry

    Porn

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  165. @Pookie

    All of the above.

    back – to – Porn

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  166. @Pookie:

    Obama does have a huge burden that would be difficult for any president to handle. I’m not expecting miracles.

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  167. @pookie :

    so rather than develop our own challenges and goals, we should support our man’s goals, right? And the best way to do that is to look pretty and be nurturing and generous and submissive, right?

    That is 100% perfect.
    A man can dream.
    Until then it’s sluts.

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  168. Maybe I don’t understand this well enough yet, but isn’t that a bit hypocritical?

    You get angry at women who spend their time on their own pursuits but not on their men, but expect them to only devote themselves to you and you not do anything in return? :/

    Or maybe I’m being too harsh…:/

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  169. Lots of fun when you’re young (but even that largely denied to those from the left end of the attractiveness bell curve), followed by degeneration into a sad, absurd, and useless creature as soon as the youth is gone.

    Maybe we as a society should simply realize that some people are good for sex, and others are good for non-sexual relationships and are entitled to fair treatment.

    When women do it, it’s unnatural, a big middle finger to the sex she was born as.

    In a world that worships competitive capitalist masculinity, nobody wants to be the useless, unproductive, unprofitable female.

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  170. @David Alexander

    “In a world that worships competitive capitalist masculinity, nobody wants to be the useless, unproductive, unprofitable female.”

    I always thought women were inherently competitive, just not competitive in the same sense men are. Think, if women were complacent and happy with things as they are, they wouldn’t be so jealousy-prone.

    Women aren’t competitive in the traditional male sense. But it does arise in other things. I notice girls are more competitive in school settings, and can be quite vicious. I think I lost the support from a huge group of girls when it was announced that I was one of the students that was top 1% of my class. Then I realize that there are some women out there that just don’t want to see other women succeed.

    (and I guess, to some extent, that’s what men were saying here previously about women and Sarah Palin. Although the point I was trying to make is that not all women dislike her because she’s awesome haha)

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  171. on June 26, 2009 at 3:34 am Dirty Diana Ross

    The ultimate black beta yet pop alpha that leaves the earth with three half white children that was asexual to the end:

    Things that make you go hmmm…

    “Today we find the idea of nonsexuality more bizarre than deviant sexuality. But in Michael Jackson’s case, it seems more plausible than any other explanation. All of Jackson’s oddities seem to be reactions to what he suffered as a child. Manhandled by strangers, he became a mask-wearing, gloved germophobe. Tyrannized and abused by his father, he turned hyperbolically gentle and generous to children. Terrified by adult sexuality, he froze in pre-adolescent immaturity.”

    – Jacob Weisberg (http://www.slate.com/id/2120889/)

    Bonus question: How many millions of pussies did Michael Jackson deny?

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  172. De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

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  173. on June 26, 2009 at 4:40 am Willard Libby

    three half white children

    half White? More like 100 % White.

    …he turned hyperbolically gentle and generous to children. Terrified by adult sexuality, he froze in pre-adolescent immaturity.”

    He was a rich, spoiled faggot who liked to have oral and hand sex with young boys.

    May he rot in hell. Hope his scumbag father joins him real soon.

    Bonus question: How many millions of pussies did Michael Jackson deny?

    Better question: How many little boy dicks did he suck?

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  174. Mandy

    Are you suggesting that we do everything our id tells us to do then?

    I’m suggesting what the Buddha suggested. Unify your mind. The big parent in the sky who tells you what to do is just yourself. Don’t blame him for your a-sexuality.

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  175. on June 26, 2009 at 5:06 am Dirty Diana Ross

    RIP MJ:

    “People tend to throw up hands at Michael Jackson’s multifarious bizarreness. But is it really so strange? The boy was forced to work by a cruel and physically abusive father starting at the age of 7. (If he’d been sent into a factory or coal mine, instead of onstage, we’d have more compassion for him.) As a boy, he was denied what even most abused and underprivileged children have: school, friends, and play.

    Instead, Michael was made into a performing sexualized freak, a boy whose soprano voice kindled passion in grown women. He was made to witness adult sexuality at an age when it can only have been terrifying and incomprehensible to him. By 10, he was performing in strip clubs and hiding under the covers in hotel rooms while his older brothers got it on with groupies. At 11—the age at which his psyche seems frozen—he was a superstar. “My childhood was completely taken away from me,” he has said. Almost everything that seems freakish about him can be explained by his poignant, doomed effort to get his stolen childhood back.”

    -Jacob Weisberg, Slate.com

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  176. Very incisive comments by Slate’s Jacob Weisberg on the late, and truly great, Michael Jackson.

    Mandy,
    I’m afraid you’re gravely mistaken wrt the competiveness in Women and the prima facie case study we all got to see in one Sarah Palin. It has nothing to do w/politics or academics, etc, and EVERYTHING to do w/the simple fact that Palin, for a Woman in her 40s, was, in a word:

    HOT.

    Just about any Man on the planet regardless of color, class or political affiliation, would hop on dat ass in a heartbeat-and other Women *knew* it.

    Women are extremely sensitive to their own and other Women’s beauty, which was and many ways still is, a rough proxy for a Woman’s fecundity, as well as the potential to attract quality males. Palin drew the ire of many on the Feminist Left because she was both fecund (having as I recall, four kids?) and was still able to attract just about any male she wanted; just compare and contrast the pics of the major voices arrayed against Palin-virtually all female by the way-and you make the call. It might be shallow, but the simple truth of the matter is that Palin blows away her critics, easily.

    Roissy here has written what I think is an excellent analysis of the Palin issue along evolutionary lines, and Steve Sailer has also written some fine pieces on Palin as well. Both repay close study.

    Women can be downright vicious, albeit as you rightly noted, not in the same way that Men can; but vicious nonetheless. Women constantly compare themselves to other in ways Men simply even think of doing, and again, when you understand basic evolutionary roles of the male and female, it makes perfect sense why they would.

    W/all due respect your commens above serve as yet another reason why it is not wise to listen to what most Women have to say on these matters, because they are either incapable of being objective, are unaware of their motivations and what undegirds them, or are being downright honest (Roissy has up an interesting thread featuring a select quote from writer F. Roger Devlin in the Quote Of The Day thread; he discusses this very same point powerfully). Those so inclined might want to check that out.

    O

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  177. Dave Alex,
    I see by your comments that you too could use a refresher course on the why’s and wherefores of evolutionary psychology and biology.

    Simply put, we are all here to do one thing, make sure our genes are still here when we are gone. The End. And, by that metric, if we fail in that mission, we’re basically failures.

    Evolution being what it is, it nor we, do not “need” to find “value” in those who fail to measure up, so to speak; they are simply weeded out of existence by way of natural selection, genetically. In other words, if Dave Alex doesn’t at some point get his act together and leaves behind a genetic legacy from his loins, Dave Alex will soon be no more.

    And the Band, will play on.

    You really do need to read the Mystery Method.

    O

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  178. Farrah Fawcett died yesterday of “anal cancer,” which really is a euphemism for saying she died of getting fucked in the ass::

    “In another study done, high-risk types of HPV, notably HPV-16, were detected in 84 percent of anal cancer specimens examined”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_cancer

    And what the fuck is up with that image of her being the best selling pin up poster ever??

    She’s a creased, sun-spotted cougar flashing an annoying fake grin. I swear most men have no taste.

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  179. on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 am mandy been here a while

    Vladimir

    However, my impression is that the spectacle of the triumphant Cold War finale has ultimately shown to be a red herring in a broader historical perspective.

    Others have speculated, and I agree that, the Iron Curtain fell because the West became more like the Eastern Block and not the other way around. It was triumphant for the other side than most think.

    I totally agree electoral politics is a waste of time. There is very little difference between the parties beyond the type of voters they attract. The policies they enact are the same.

    The future of politics in this country will be solely ethnic squabbles like in primitive democracies across the globe.

    A culture shift would have to take place that causes the politicians to change.

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  180. Whiskey – “Palin has the same positions as Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Elizabeth Dole,”

    KBH supports Roe vs. Wade.

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  181. SVeIK quoted this:

    The image of the chivalrous man protecting the weaker “damsel in distress” did not fit well with the evolving image of the woman as equal, strong and independent.

    But they are the weaker sex. The only reason women walk around free and secure is because men allow it. It is only the explicit protection of men in her life (father, brothers, husband) and the implicit protection of all men (chivalry) that protects her.

    The men in her life cannot protect her all the time. The police only come to mark the chalk line. If men stopped been protective of women, if women lost the implicit protection of unrelated men their lives would be far less comfortable, far less secure, and far less pleasant.

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  182. However, my impression is that the spectacle of the triumphant Cold War finale has ultimately shown to be a red herring in a broader historical perspective.

    It’s not the first time a country has won the war and then botched the subsequent peace. Victory is no less real (not a mere red herring) for all the subsequent folly of the victors.

    Yet, looking back from our time, it seems to me that they merely delivered a coup de grace to an already moribund enemy

    The USSR did not seem “moribund” to anyone in 1980, and it is a mistake to underestimate the difficulty that Reagan faced in revitalizing containment in order to defeat the USSR. It is also important to note that the main reason the USSR collapsed is because the collapse of world oil prices destroyed Soviet hard currency earnings – and world oil prices did not collapse by accident (Reagan engineered it).

    One might also observe that in the early 1980s, the Soviets enjoyed a military advantage that they could see was evaporating as Reagan rebuilt US strategic forces and conventional forces in Europe. Nations in that position – with a closing window of opportunity – have a strong incentive to go to war before they lose their advantage entirely. Reagan deserves full credit for defeating the USSR while making sure such a war never happened.

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  183. @Eric Disco misconstrued:

    Firepower

    “Humor defuses issues. Mean humor tells a bitch to stfu. It’s the growl of the lion or the rattle of the viper.”

    Humor is really powerful. It is one of the best things to use in most situations.

    However, in this situation, it looks like she wasn’t going for it. She didn’t laugh at his previous banter. He could keep pushing it, but that would probably annoy her more.

    once and for ALL – see above. You’ve either completely misunderstood my writing or come from a viewpoint that humor is solely meant to entertain her. if she thinks thusly, then she is the perfect candidate to be mocked. It’s not cuddly lion, huggable viper. it’s definitely not banter. I don’t give a fuck if I’ve annoyed her. It is she who then becomes my entertainment. My original unedited posted answer:

    “If she persists, she’s an anal bitch not worthy of the Game I need spit to get that split.”

    split = pussy lips. persists = one moment. don’t put up with humorless, anal-retentive twats. If you DO for even one second she will see you value that pussy over your own self-respect. I DO NOT waste game on undeserving bitches.

    Humor is powerful, but I don’t think banter works too well for shit tests such as this.

    it’s NOT a SHIT TEST. the male is LATE. She is not being playful to “test” anything. It is not banter – it is an insult.

    You presume humor necessarily is exclusively Paul Rudd, Dane Cook or Judd Apatow. It’s not. Think Denis Leary.

    It seems beta but it is actually the most alpha.

    it is beta. really. You may ignore someone once, but to repeatedly do it shows submissiveness.

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  184. @Mandy! XD (and anyone else who is cool with people who abstain)

    Can’t believe I missed out on yesterday’s comments on virginity until now! This is something dear to my heart (http://lovelysexybeauty.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/sexiness-can-be-better-than-sex-how-to-not-give-it-up-but-keep-him-trying/).

    It’s so great to hear about another girl who believes in holding back for love/marriage/etc. Good for you! You seem like not only an intelligent and articulate girl, but a sensible and strong one – and at such a young age!

    In case you’re curious, as a girl more mm… mature (LOL hehe) it’s possible to abstain into your 20s but it is hard…

    I’ve been very lucky that I’ve found some awesome alpha-ish guys who not only respect my choice, but are even amazed by it. Unfortunately I’ve found many, m any more guys who are not willing to wait and don’t like my choice (like many of the guys on this board who think it’s weird). Just because you don’t go all the way doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy any bodily pleasures at all! lol

    What’s super-surprising though is that I’ve been told later that I don’t strike people like this big virginal, unexperienced, goodie-2-shoes type at all. Toooo funnyyy lol.

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  185. “You’re writing as if a man should behave chivalrously either towards all women or towards none. In reality, you can choose to practice it only with women who are deserving. You’re right however that modern conservatives are significantly overestimating the ratio of such women in the modern population, which makes their positions on a variety of issues even more delusional.”

    @Vladimir —

    I guess I don’t see that as chivalry. To me, chivalry is a systemic thing which applies to all women under the current conditions — from family law to criminal law and so on.

    How we treat individual women should be based on how the individual woman merits being treated — in that I agree with you. I just don’t see that as chivalry, because the current iteration of chivalry in the West favors all women regardless of how they are behaving. It’s the systemic nature that needs to be overcome, because it’s the systemic nature that really tilts most aspects of current society against men, again regardless of how the women in question are behaving.

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  186. lovelysexybeauty admitted:

    I’ve been very lucky that I’ve found some awesome alpha-ish guys who not only respect my choice, but are even amazed by it.

    they really respect your 1 poppa, 19 brothers, 30 uncles, 193 cousins and those assorted small arms left over from The Independence.

    where’s those “Leg Pictures” you promised

    welcher

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  187. “Seriously, most democrats I know are young people who sit around in circles wearing shirts that say things like,”Save Darfur!” “WOW I SPENT FIVE DOLLARS ON THIS SHIRT SO I MUST TOTALLY CARE ABOUT THE WORLD’S PROBLEMS!””

    Yes this is the mindset of the SWPL liberal. They need to read Rand and understand that their own happiness is more important than that of strangers.

    I’m starting to wonder if the denigration of rational selfishness is a ploy by the elites to hold their own position. If the elites convince the masses that self-sacrificial actions are the most moral, they’ll be largely free from ambitious members of the next generation replacing them.

    It might be true, but from my dealings with socialist libs, most of them actually believe all their liberal tripe.

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  188. @lovelysexybeauty:

    Exactly. I’m not being evil and trying to deny him anything. And we’re going at a normal pace. If he wanted something he would have said it by now or teased me about it. He’s a virgin too.

    And thank you for the compliments. I’ve read some of your blog posts. I have to say that you are very intelligent. And I agree with the section on negs. I had to deal with a guy who constantly dealt me bad negs and I finally told him to just leave me alone if he wasn’t that interested. I noticed what he would neg me about was a reflection of what he didn’t like about himself ie he negged me about my body once, and I took the opportunity to poke his squishy tummy.

    You’re a bright young woman.

    “I’ve been very lucky that I’ve found some awesome alpha-ish guys who not only respect my choice, but are even amazed by it.”

    Yeah, I’ve had some guys tell me,”You’re not being a prude, you’re just choosing to not be a total hoe.”

    “Unfortunately I’ve found many, m any more guys who are not willing to wait and don’t like my choice (like many of the guys on this board who think it’s weird). Just because you don’t go all the way doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy any bodily pleasures at all! lol”
    Some people associate chastity with prudishness and immaturity, as well as insecurity about one’s body. I consider it a heightened awareness of one’s body. You’re making some serious conscious decisions about it and taking care of it.

    “What’s super-surprising though is that I’ve been told later that I don’t strike people like this big virginal, unexperienced, goodie-2-shoes type at all. Toooo funnyyy lol.”
    I got that from someone a few months ago. I need to watch how I dance. xD

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  189. @OneSTDV:

    “Yes this is the mindset of the SWPL liberal. They need to read Rand and understand that their own happiness is more important than that of strangers.

    I’m starting to wonder if the denigration of rational selfishness is a ploy by the elites to hold their own position. If the elites convince the masses that self-sacrificial actions are the most moral, they’ll be largely free from ambitious members of the next generation replacing them.

    It might be true, but from my dealings with socialist libs, most of them actually believe all their liberal tripe.”

    Point well made.

    The sad part is, that for children competing to go to college, community service hours are a must. In fact, to get a high school diploma, community service hours are a must (in some states).

    I personally enjoy it, but a lot of my volunteer work surrounds things I like doing that make me feel good ie working with children, teaching them to read. So it’s not really self-sacrificial because I benefit as well.

    I get really annoyed by the people with holier-than-thou attitudes for doing volunteer work or for donating money to a cause. They do it to “up their status,” not because they actually care.

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  190. Mandy

    I had to deal with a guy who constantly dealt me bad negs and I finally told him to just leave me alone if he wasn’t that interested.

    a proper Gamer isn’t mean or petty: that’s the time to take you in his arms, hold you, stroke your hair and

    negate that ‘if’

    repeatedly

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  191. @Rain And

    This is probably the case with dead Farrah, but as a former med student I can tell you HPV is easily spread.

    Simply rubbing your dick against a chick’s asshole will do it.

    And dude I wasn’t even born when she made that poster, but was a young chick then !
    I guess the Sun made her look old, but she wasn’t a cougar.

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  192. Mandy, lovelysexybeauty

    What exactly are you “waiting” for, a lightening bolt from the sky, choirs of angels to start singing, a magic unicorn to appear and tell you that this the one?

    With all your caution you will probably “give it up” to some player dude that can manipulate your desire and emotion. The nice guys you rejected and frustrated will have gone on their way.

    After you have “given it up” a man can start thinking about a relationship, until that most of what he does is bargaining for sex. Some men bargain better, these are not always the best men.

    PS:
    Mandy, did you lose your XD, or are you yet another Mandy?

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  193. Default,

    Suppression comes back to bite you in all sorts of nasty ways, some of which are even more destabilizing than simple celibacy. I know I didn’t start to fantasize about committing a sex offense until my natural drive dropped and sex became more of a “mental” thing. (And I have generally been going months-to-years between partners, although my relationships–when they exist–are somewhat stable. Nor did it matter that I was in a stable relationship at the time, because the women I saw as “withholding” were socially, physically, and economically distinct from the women who were willing to pair up with me.) This is distinct from simple “Love Shyness” (which is, at least, a studied phenomenon, of the “closet heterosexual”) because of the aggressive component. So Tai Chi, Qi Gong, yoga, or some other form of energy training seems vital to harness and distribute the energy that the body either normally releases or cannot release in sex.

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  194. @default

    Did you say Mandy lost her…XD? Why didn’t she wait longer?

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  195. aoefe

    Well I did warn her that she would end up losing it to some player dude.

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  196. Mandy, you stupid sill whore, whiskey is right:

    Women hate Sarah Palin because she’s pro-life and yet disproved the babykilling lie: you can be pro-life and a great woman leader by being a woman, not a mannish, babykilling ugly humorless dyke.

    Adn the fact she didn’t kill her child even though he had Down Syndrome pisses of the lesbinazis as well. How dare she not kill the genetically inferior!

    Left-wing women love murdering children. it’s their # 1 issue. Period.

    Plus the press had it in for her, simply because they perceived her as a great counterweight to The One; McCain they had a handle on, but she was an unknown. they went after her WITH AVENGEANCE; see Couric, Katie.

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  197. Mandy, you stupid silly whore:

    “it’s not his anymore.”
    —wrong, bitch. No matter how long stolen property has been gone, IT STILL BELONGS TO YOU. It is his land, period.

    “he can’t accept the fact that he’s in AMERICA NOW.”
    —no, I’m sure he accepts it just fine, and loves America for not stealing his property (Kelo notwithstanding). What he wants, hwoever, is to go back to his homeland after Castro is out of power. That isn’t “not accepting” anything, except not accepting defet.

    “Everyone else has moved on”
    —translation: liberals love Castro, and want people to forget he is a theiving, murdering tyrant.

    “there’s a group of old Cubans being completely idiotic.”
    —–you mean wanting their stolen things back and justice against Castro? You stupid whore. Hope you get raped, and when you cry out for justice, people tell you to “just get over it, move on.”

    Silly disrepsectful pus-cunt.

    “Time to put on the big boy/girl pants and move on.”
    —you condescending cockholster.

    “It has nothing to do with policy, because Hilary and Obama were practically running on the same platform.”
    —lmao rofl. Hillary had balls on foreing policy; she would never have “reached out” to either Chavez or Castro. Thats what your friends and neighbors liked.

    “The texts were being forwarded from person to person. I brought up the text message during a club meeting to get at least thirty other people who had gotten the same one, forwarded from at least four or five times.”

    —considering, whore, that Obama is friends with Ayers and Wright, that’s a joke that works. Its hyperbolic, but don’t doubt for a second that mindset drives Obama’s far left friends.

    “When I asked one of the people who forwarded it to me if he was serious, he said,”Yes. I’ve already told you this, black people are going to rise up after years of being oppressed and crime rates are going to go up, etc.””
    —He was fucking with you. And one man does not a statistic make.

    “And I’ve never been attacked by a black person for being white. I don’t understand where people get this idea of all this racial hate being directed at whites.”
    –stupid liberal cuntrag, thinks her anecdotal evidence outweighs the facts. Hint: turn on any black movie or standup. Or go to Harlem.

    “Then again, I can understand it. I once had to deal with a girl screaming at me about how “you people” won’t learn English, how “you people” are on welfare, how “you people” are taking her family’s jobs.”
    —observe the mindset of a silly liberal whore: her one story of one person outweighs facts to the contrary.

    “I didn’t know whether to punch her or cry. I decided to feel sorry for her instead. She was suffering from a chronic case of the stupids.”

    —pot, meet kettle.

    Go get raped, slut.

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  198. even worse than Couric, see the first interview where they cut out her responses…was it Charles Gibson that accused her of saying something super dooper kooky, and she challeneged him and explained her comments (I was quoting Lincoln, you changed my words).

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  199. I loved Gibson’s “Explain the Bush Doctrine” and when she decried that that was amorphous, press-created, ever changing doctrine and not an actual administrative doctrine, Gibson tried to look like she was in idiot when she was absolutely right.

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  200. One of the problems with liberals is that they spend their lives responding to their own prejudices, so it becomes a feedback loop of Tina Fey and leftwing websites creating their own alternate reality where Palin ended up being a member of a cult church that thought Jesus rode dinosaurs or something…and Fey was the one who came up with quote she could see Russia from doorstep.

    But McCain was the one who changed his positions as opposed to throw ’em under teh Bus Bama.

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  201. Yep, askjoe, yet liberals still believe McCain is a right winger and Obama is somehow moderate. Somehow everything Sarah Palin ever said was wrong, but she was right. For example, she told some high school kid her job as VP included being in charge of the Senate. People attacked her for both being a strong-arming, executive power grabbing Cheney-clone and also being stupid, since they are separate branches.

    Except she was absolutely right: Article 1, Section 3, 4th clause of the constitution: “The vice president shall be president of the Senate.”

    Liberals: stupidity is the first step!

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  202. askjoe

    One of the problems with liberals is that they spend their lives responding to their own prejudices

    yep. and their own propaganda.

    like good little fascists, they’ll believe Goebbel’s propaganda that Army Group Vistula will come to rescue Berlin until

    Zhukov’s Shock Army sticks it’s collective cock
    in their granny.

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  203. Pook, this whole GNC thing…Roissy did write her off at the first few minutes of the date, so lesson learned, gals, don’t give attitude for small fouls. Anyway, R already had it in for the 23 year old and the triathalon thing only cemented it. The few triathletes I’ve met were, sure, bone skinny, exceptionally ambitious, but I would still think that hobby is less testosterone laden than field hockey or volleyball.

    luker, FP: Joe Biden…in his *prepared speech* called Tim Kaine governor of New Jersey…but Palin’s gaffes (which were uh being made fun of by Tina Fey…don’t let the cameras do that to you, people) were mindboggling.

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  204. Tarl:

    It’s not the first time a country has won the war and then botched the subsequent peace. Victory is no less real (not a mere red herring) for all the subsequent folly of the victors.

    You’re missing the point. It’s not like the U.S. won the Cold War and then screwed up. What you call “the subsequent folly” was in fact already going on long before Reagan, and it expanded further during his presidency. He did nothing to stop it, and he couldn’t have done much even if he had been aware of what was going on. Almost every single social reengineering project that our ideological elites are implementing right now was running and expanding, or at least in active preparation, during the 1980s. In retrospect, it should have been clear that this threat had already become more dangerous than the USSR by then.

    One might also observe that in the early 1980s, the Soviets enjoyed a military advantage that they could see was evaporating as Reagan rebuilt US strategic forces and conventional forces in Europe. Nations in that position – with a closing window of opportunity – have a strong incentive to go to war before they lose their advantage entirely. Reagan deserves full credit for defeating the USSR while making sure such a war never happened.

    After Stalin’s death, the USSR never enjoyed a military advantage, not even parity. On the contraray, they were falling behind hopelessly in both technology and morale, and the only thing that kept them in the game was their nuclear arsenal. A conventional war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact in the early 1980s would have looked almost like the 1991 Gulf War. The Russian technology was a whole generation behind American, and their morale had hit rock bottom by then. (I personally know engineers who dealt with both Russian and American military technology in the 1980s. The gap really was almost as wide as that between the U.S. and Iraq in 1991. Also, just ask any middle-aged Russian how eager to fight he would have been 25-30 years ago.)

    Now of course, the USSR enjoyed a lot of strategic success throughout the Cold War all until Reagan’s rollback strategy. But this was a consequence of Western moral weakness, defeatism, and delusional attitudes, not the true Soviet strength. (It’s also well known nowadays, and openly admitted by former Soviet spies, that a lot of the “peace movement” in fact consisted of KGB-run operations.) Without Regan, the USSR would have probably lasted longer, but it was so rotten by that time that it would have been a miracle for it to survive in any case.

    Anyway, the point is that the conservatives’ celebration of Reagan is just another manifestation of the fundamentally delusional nature of the establishment conservatism. They look at a few symbolic gestures and localized partial victories and celebrate their supposedly great success, while in reality, they’re losing ground and forced to shift leftward constantly just to avoid getting completely marginalized. It’s a pathetic sight, and it wasn’t much better in the 1980s, even though the situation hadn’t yet reached the level of vomit-inducing travesty played out during the Bush Jr. years.

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  205. on June 26, 2009 at 4:49 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Pookie – Ok, he reversed stem cell research. Big whoops. Talk about inconsequential.

    Let me know when he reverses warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detention, lobbyists having prominent roles in his cabinet, rendition and bringing the troops home from our corporatist-sponsored, nation building wars for profit…you know, all those things he campaigned on and hasn’t done a damn thing but pay lip service to since he’s taken office.

    Don’t be a useful idiot.

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  206. askjoe, Palin’s gaffes were not “mindboggling.” They were magnified and distorted (and with the Russia comment, made up by SNL) by a media who refused to show any of Obama’s millions of gaffes.

    Biden is a lying stupid prick.

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  207. PS we had stem cell research under Bush, dummies. He just had moral probelms with getting them from embryos, which many people consider human beings. The ban was partial to prevent embryo destruction.

    Obama, of course, doesn’t care about kids, so had no problem killing them off.

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  208. nation building wars for profit

    We made money on Iraq?

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  209. lurker…i was being sarcastical…my parenthetical tries to construct the advice that gaffes, such as being portrayed unfairly by Tina Fey, should be avoided. Obviously, that’s not a gaffe or even mindboggling. After that gaffe (i.e., not a gaffe…being viciously smeared) it was just a feedback loop of hipster hate towards her imagined transgressions.

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  210. @S_A
    It’s probably best not to encourage that guy.

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  211. on June 26, 2009 at 6:00 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Did WE make money in Iraq? Hardly. OUR tax money, has gone to pay the military industrial complex the trillions of dollars to wage this war. This is why the US is no longer a free market, captialist, representative republic…but rather we are a corporatist, fascist state masquerading as a free market “democracy.”

    Don’t believe me? Try and look up how many members of Congress are invested in stocks of all the companies and corporations who produce military/war related products and services.

    It was not just the left-wing boogy men corporations like Bechtel and Halliburton/KBR…but also all of the weapons and war machine manufacturers (McDonnell-Douglas et al), support and supply-line companies who have profited immensely from these wars.

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  212. corporatist, fascist state masquerading as a free market “democracy.”

    I know hyperbole and politics go together like peanut butter and jelly – and far be it from me to deny you the pleasure – but can we at least agree that in a real fascist state you’d be shot for dissent… instead of given a TV show?

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  213. on June 26, 2009 at 6:19 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Sorry SA, you are simply repeating the old trope founded by Stalin: use the word Fascist to describe any government for which you do not approve of, and the meaning of Fascism will be lost.

    I’m referring to the classic, original definition of Fascism…which is to say a system based on corporatism, which is the practice whereby a state, through the process of licensing and regulating officially-incorporated social, religious, economic, or popular organizations, effectively co-opts their leadership or circumscribes their ability to challenge state authority by establishing the state as the source of their legitimacy, as well as sometimes running them, either directly or indirectly through corporations.

    THIS is our current reality. We are nowhere near a free market, capitalist country. All of our laws, policies and actions are at the behest of the corporations and elite wealthy using their purchased influence in the government to further their own wealth.

    Two simple examples of American corporate fascism in action:

    The ongoing, almost century long laws passed at the behest of lobbyists for big agricultural farm subsidies that destroy small, privately owned family farms from being able to compete with the Big Ag corps…

    Another great example? Ever hear of the Ammunition Accountability Act?

    A weapons & ammunition manufacturer develope the technology to laser-mark all ammunition with a serial number for every single round. They are presently lobbying for the laws to require all ammunition to be compliant with their patented technology, and all ammunition that was manufactured and purchased prior to this new law’s passage must be surrendered and destroyed. They are lobbying for this law to be passed in multiple states as we speak. This is the perfect example of the cooperation between corporations and State to pass laws to provide the corporations market-monopoly advantage. This is the perfect example of the original definition of Mussolini’s Fascism.

    Welcome to Fascist USA Inc.

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  214. @lurker:

    That was incredibly hypocritical of you. First of, you criticize me for taking something you perceive to be a racial joke (the text messages) seriously.

    Then you use black stand up comedians as proof that black people hate white people. Wow. So…the joke’s not okay if it’s about you, right?

    I’m not going to even bother acknowledging the rest of your post. When you outgrow your childish tantrums, then consider talking to me. Until then, fare thee well.

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  215. on June 26, 2009 at 7:06 pm Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @Default:

    Ah, I had to retype my name and forgot to put in the XD.

    😡

    Thanks for pointing that out.

    oh well.

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  216. @mandy with or without XD

    Don’t lose it by not paying attention, you’ll never get it back.

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  217. ah, they got doctors for that stuff now

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  218. It’s not like the U.S. won the Cold War and then screwed up.

    What? I’d say we won the Cold War and then screwed up massively. Yes, yes, all that leftward social drift kept happening, but that would have happened anyway and did not cause the foreign and economic policy screwups that are the cause of the current disastrous situation. Put another way, we’d still be drifting leftwards on the domestic front even if we hadn’t screwed the pooch in the foreign policy realm.

    After Stalin’s death, the USSR never enjoyed a military advantage, not even parity. On the contraray, they were falling behind hopelessly in both technology and morale, and the only thing that kept them in the game was their nuclear arsenal. A conventional war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact in the early 1980s would have looked almost like the 1991 Gulf War. The Russian technology was a whole generation behind American, and their morale had hit rock bottom by then.

    They had a credible prompt, hard-target kill capability with their ICBM force starting in the late 1970s. A conventional war in Europe would not have looked like Desert Storm because for one thing, the Soviets / WP were not the Iraqis, for another, the Soviets did not give their best stuff to the Iraqis, and the Iraqis did not have the ability to put hundreds of ballistic missile warheads (some armed with chemical weapons) onto ports and airfields that the Soviets did in Europe.

    this was a consequence of Western moral weakness, defeatism, and delusional attitudes, not the true Soviet strength.

    Plenty of people in the military and intelligence communities were seriously concerned about Soviet capabilities, and they certainly weren’t immoral, deluded defeatists.

    the conservatives’ celebration of Reagan is just another manifestation of the fundamentally delusional nature of the establishment conservatism.

    Conservatives were correct to celebrate Reagan – where they were (and are) blind is in their acceptance as “conservative” of the liberal Republicans who are not conservatives, who betrayed Reagan, and who did not share his belief in victory over Soviet communism.

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  219. on June 27, 2009 at 12:18 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @askjoe, aoefe:

    Yeah, I went to the doctor, but he replaced the xD with lots of exclamation points instead.

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  220. wow, it must have been good.

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  221. on June 27, 2009 at 12:40 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    It was the climax of my day.

    That being said, I’m waiting for Roissy’s magic hammer to come in and smash these posts to smithereens.

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  222. eurosabra

    So Tai Chi, Qi Gong, yoga, or some other form of energy training seems vital to harness and distribute the energy that the body either normally releases or cannot release in sex.

    Tai chi, chi gong, and or yoga are also essential to being able to fuck well. That this point is not recognized is a blight on society. It’s a damn shame that most people can’t fuck to save their lives.

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  223. Regarding remaining a virgin into your twenties, there is a danger in that many don’t consider.

    People have developmental windows for learning certain abilities. If you have not been taught speech by a certain age, you can never learn it, for instance. There are windows of ability to learn for many different skills we pick up.

    Sex may be one of these skills. It may be that if you don’t practice young, you’ll suck at it for life.

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  224. Tarl:

    What? I’d say we won the Cold War and then screwed up massively. Yes, yes, all that leftward social drift kept happening, but that would have happened anyway and did not cause the foreign and economic policy screwups that are the cause of the current disastrous situation. Put another way, we’d still be drifting leftwards on the domestic front even if we hadn’t screwed the pooch in the foreign policy realm.

    The point that you seem to be missing is that the general screwup that became apparent after the Cold War was already developing and thriving in the 1980s. The victory over the USSR was indeed a magnificent demonstration of the power of a liberty against totalitarianism, there’s no doubt about that. The problem is that the cancer of the postmodern left that is eating the heart of the Western world was already obvious and spreading like wildfire even before the 1980s, and the foreign policy victories against the USSR did nothing at all to stop it. Arguably, the net effect of Reagan’s policies was even to speed it up.

    They had a credible prompt, hard-target kill capability with their ICBM force starting in the late 1970s.

    You’re not reading what I wrote carefully. As I wrote, the Soviet nuclear arsenal, together with their other potentially apocalyptic unconventional weapons, was indeed the only thing keeping them in the game. A conventional war, however, would have been disastrous for them. By 1980, their technology was already hopelessly antiquated, and their morale was in the gutter. A conventional NATO-Warsaw Pact war in the eighties would really have looked like the Desert Storm. Read, for example, Tom Clancy’s 1986 novel “Red Storm Rising” for a fairly good hypothetical vision of such a war. As someone knowledgeable about what has been revealed about the actual strategic situation since then, I guarantee you that Clancy was in fact greatly overestimating the Soviet strength when he wrote it.

    Plenty of people in the military and intelligence communities were seriously concerned about Soviet capabilities, and they certainly weren’t immoral, deluded defeatists.

    Maybe not immoral and defeatist, but they sure were deluded. It was only after the breakup of the USSR that it became apparent how desperately poor and Third-World-like the Soviet economy really was. Just read a mainstream economic textbook published during the Cold War (for example, Samuelson’s “Economics”), and then compare what it says about the Soviet economy with what was actually revealed when the USSR broke up. Leftists were buying into Soviet propaganda because they wanted to make the USSR look good, and the Pentagon was buying into it because it wanted to make the (conventional) threat look greater to boost its own budget.

    Conservatives were correct to celebrate Reagan – where they were (and are) blind is in their acceptance as “conservative” of the liberal Republicans who are not conservatives, who betrayed Reagan, and who did not share his belief in victory over Soviet communism.

    Oh, come on. You’re doing the classic neocon propaganda trick of reducing everything to wrangles about foreign policy. In reality, it is the forces operating inside the Western world and the U.S. in particular that will determine their fate, not any outside threats. Regan was indeed the scourge of Soviet communism, but he did nothing at all to stop the internal rot. Celebrating him is like celebrating a particularly effective deck management plan on the Titanic at a time when the iceberg was already in plain sight for those who knew how to look in the right direction.

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  225. Also regarding starting sex late in life, consider that the masters of any art started young, and focused diligently at their craft.

    Those who wait to start sex are doomed to forever remain half human half zombies – never fully awakened to the full power of sex.

    I despise good people, partly for this reason. Willfully ignorant half-zombies. Zombies for Jeebus.

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  226. @Mandy!!!

    Thanks for the compliments! All interesting thoughts…about having a heightened awareness of my body, I agree. I’m aware of the amazingly powerful emotions that come from being physical with someone, for girls having sex is big deal – we’re not built like guys to treat it just as physical pleasure.

    lol @ how you have to watch how you dance 😉

    @ Default Alpha User & xsplat

    Wanna answer you both… first of all, the only pleasure two bodies can experience is NOT just the “in & out” stuff right? People who think that the only sexual thing that can feel good is intercourse are missing out…lollll!

    But first, not going “all the way” is a decision rooted in my spiritual beliefs, along with biology and psychology. Women in general are just not built to sleep around casually. When women do, they flirt with the danger of going cukoo crazy. Sex causes bonding and release all sorts of emotional hormones and stuff way more for women.

    I’ve made a very tough choice of not compromising my beliefs. If I didn’t like the guys I was getting, maybe it would be harder to stick to my choice but somehow it’s worked out. Not to be cheesy but I think God enables your environment to support you if you really try to be a good person… this is why I feel my life circle has brought me around guys who respect my choice. And in moments of passion I’ve almost gone too far, but each time something would happen to stop that… like a phone ringing to bring me to reality or something else lol…

    Ultimately, I want to save something of myself for my husband only. (Sorry for more cheeziness lol) Is that so bad?

    LASTLY, what makes someone good at sex? According to what I recall reading of Roissy and many others, the thing that gets a guy the most turned-on is quite simply how HOT the girl he’s with is. (Assuming she’s actually semi into it.)

    Even if it wasn’t just about being a hot girl, xsplat what do you mean someone can’t learn later? If someone is in touch with their body through yoga, dance, sports even, why couldn’t they? That’s too fatalistic a view for me, sorry. I believe I have limitless potential… and from what I’ve studied of the body and brain, our minds have quite a bit of plasticity up until our later years. We all CAN learn and change….

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  227. And just to underscore my earlier point a little bit… there is a lot of pleasure two bodies and even minds can have… holding out forces some of us to get creative if you know what I mean hehe 😉 A lot of sex is mental… even for guys (like the mental images of what they wanna do to you… and what’s behind that flimsy shirt… lolll)

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  228. Oh I could go on forever on this topic, lol…

    You hear all the time about women who have been having sex for years yet have never felt an orgasm… or really felt loved… stuff like that. Just because you have sex doesn’t mean it feels good, at least for a girl. A lot of girls just do it to please the guy… the goal is not to feel good in the act, but to make the guy like them more.

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  229. lovelysex

    Wanna answer you both… first of all, the only pleasure two bodies can experience is NOT just the “in & out” stuff right? People who think that the only sexual thing that can feel good is intercourse are missing out…lollll!

    I was going to answer you, but I couldn’t get past the lolll!. After seeing that I just can’t take you seriously enough to bother with.

    And besides, virgins who are experts on sex weird me out.

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  230. on June 27, 2009 at 1:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lovelysexy beauty still a virgin jesus h christ lol

    She has practiced cuddling a lot I would imagine. Yea though dang 25 plus still virgin. Hmm

    My sisters friend (would have been 32) was still virgin when I went home on R&R few years ago sis tried to hook me up with her. Didn’t quite work out as I was already with my current woman at time.

    May have to be carefull could end up a little wierd if you wait too long. Might as well let me be the first. Since you freak me out and I want to face my demon. he he he

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  231. Gunny,
    LSB comes from a different culture being Indian (dot). Arranged marriages are still the go-to option both there and here. So we have to keep this in mind. Even if she wasn’t a virgin, and I have no way of knowing either way, what I just said would still apply.

    LSB’s real problem is in how she, like so many young Indian American Women, will reconcile their new found freedoms as 21st century Women while at the same time wanting the idyllic existence LSB longs for. I say she can’t get both and must make some tradeoffs. But as we all know, Women can be a most stubborn lot. Only Father Time seems able to break their backs.

    And that’s the real problem LSB, FeministX and others face-time. Both are on the other side of 20, w/time running out. Indian society can be hard on a never married maiden in ways that makes Roissy like tame by comparison. Past a certain age she’s viewed as damaged goods, and no middle/upper class lad w/half a mind won’t touch em w/a ten foot pole. Google up Sari In The City for more on this point.

    O

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  232. on June 27, 2009 at 5:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    “””””””””””””””on June 27, 2009 at 9:28 am lovelysexybeauty
    Oh I could go on forever on this topic, lol…

    You hear all the time about women who have been having sex for years yet have never felt an orgasm… or really felt loved… stuff like that. Just because you have sex doesn’t mean it feels good, at least for a girl. A lot of girls just do it to please the guy… the goal is not to feel good in the act, but to make the guy like them more.
    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    This is a myth. You can always make a woman orgasm.

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  233. gunslinger

    This is a myth. You can always make a woman orgasm.

    That’s a myth also. While a good lover with a good cock can bring a woman to a vaginal orgasm she’d never thought herself capable of, women are varied in their sexual capacity. They are not created equal – they are created varied.

    Women have a prostate. We’ve been calling it the G-spot. It varies in size, and NOT all women have one at all. I know such facts can be extremely uncomfortable to face. Not all women have a G spot, and some have a huge G spot.

    Of my two current girlfriends, one rarely comes, and when she does it’s only for ten or max twenty seconds. The other can come for more than thirty minutes straight – not merely in waves, but non-stop. She must have a female prostate the size of a fist. She’s a machine.

    Men vary in libido, and women vary. Greatly. Not all women come, and some can barely come, weakly and occasionally.

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  234. Obsidian – I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. In mainstream Indian culture women are still expected to stay pure until their wedding night, regardless of age. And yup, the western age 30 for women is the equivalent indian age 25. I still believe the right guy for me could be from any culture or ethnicity, but if I don’t want to close the door to indian men its more advantageous to seem like I’ve never done anything – and better if I never really have gone all the way. Although I will tell you, girls who are considered a prize catch (fair skinned, beautiful, tall, slim, nice features, artistically gifted and from a rich and well known family) can get away with a little bit of promiscuity. About arranged marriages by the way, they are still common but nowadays the prize catch guys are also exercising their right to get the prettiest and or hottest girl possible regardless of caste. I think you or someone else told feministx her fallback option was a smart and successful brahmin guy like her, uh from what hat I ve seen even indian

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  235. Oops – basically I was trying to say that in modern indian society arranged marriage still happen yeah, but less guys are letting their parents pressure them into marrying some ugly dominating beeyotch just because she’s from the same caste or will bring a lot of advantages like she has connections or a high powered career (by the way, the most successful and or alpha indian guys is what I m talkinh about, not the run of the mill nerds working in a very middle class call center job or staffing your it dept – check out any of the ivies or other top schools, or hospitals or wall street or think tanks). Also – I am not sure why you think I want some sort of 21st century advantages, huh? Like what, not sure what you are talking about I feel about as traditional as they come! This thread is dead but hope to hear more about it in the future

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  236. Dave from Hawaii–

    No-fault divorce, default child custody for women, child support and alimony programs, a skewed domestic violence laws and a cultural zeitgeist built upon feminist principles of matriarchal kinship, female victimology and outright misandry are all the giant elephant in the elephant parties living room. It is all of those things that have literally decimated the institution of Patriarchal marriage in this country.

    But you never hear the “conservative” and “christian” politicians even whimper about the following issues. No, it’s all about gays getting married. Or if they do talk about the decline in the institution of marriage, it is invariably focused on Men living up to their responsibilities…about Men being deadbeats, and about Men who abandon their families. Nary a word is ever mentioned that 70+% of all divorces are filed by women, and that the vast majority of those cases don’t even involve adultery or abuse on the man’s part…it’s simply women who fall out of lust with their beta-ized husband providers. The old “I’m bored, unfulfilled” or “I just don’t FEEL that way about him anymore!”

    If Marriage needs to be SAVED…it’s gonna take a total reversal of the current cultural consciousness, and the dismantling of the legal bureaucracies that were built at the behest of the feminist lobbyists to offer women incentives to break up their families in the divorce court mills of this country.

    Preach it brother!!

    I couldn’t agree more.

    This is the change we need.

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  237. Default User

    @Dave from Hawaii

    Good post.

    Novaseeker has covered this well. It is a mixture of conservative chivalry and liberal feminism.

    Good point yourself.

    Conservative chivalry is a REAL an BIG problem. It’s based on self delusion and former truths, and chest thumping by older generation politicians and alpha men.

    It’s based on the way things were BEFORE men gave away the store to feminists, cheerlead by the media.

    All those changes in the law that occurred between the mid 80s and mid to late 90s, from sharply revised child support law to nearly universal community property fifty/fifty division of assets even when the man has earned them all and they’re BIG to continued and extended women always getting custody unless they’re horrifically unfit mothers on the divorce front, to sexual harassment law, to terrifically one sided and hair trigger domestic violence law, and so on.

    Every last bit of gender related legislation from 1980 onward and maybe from 1970, should be torn up. They are without exception deeply male oppressive.

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  238. on June 29, 2009 at 9:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Doug,
    Every last bit of gender related legislation from 1980 onward and maybe from 1970, should be torn up. They are without exception deeply male oppressive.”””””””””””””

    Doug is in form he he he

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  242. The best I saw was:

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    but I’ll add one that just popped into my head as I was reading it:

    “Nope, never EVER.” … “Well there was that one time, but she was… cute. What are you drinking?”

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