Doubting Betas

In the comments to my post about Steve Phillips slumming it with a pigfaced wreck who is 24 years younger than him, Half Sigma wrote:

The guy’s an aging jock who’s not famous (I’ve never heard of him before). When he leaves the TV studio and goes out in public, he’s just an old-looking nobody to all of the women. I don’t know why he thinks he can do a lot better in 22-year-olds. Few 22-year-olds in the United States are interested in men more than twice their age.

First, my claim isn’t a stretch. Phillips is better looking than 95% of men his age. So he’d turn some younger women’s heads based on that alone.

Second, while a 22 year old is not half my age, it is significantly younger than me, so I know of what I speak. 22 year olds are certainly interested in older men if those men have game. Since I can feel the shockwaves of HS’s astonishment all the way down here in DC, here’s a pic from one year ago of me and a 21 year old who is at least 5 points higher than Steve Phillips’ moocow mistress. Yes, there was banging. This pic won’t stay up for long, so enjoy it now.

[Too late! You missed it.]

Many men are crippled by doubt. They have no understanding of the possible. To these men I say: Stop listening to the jealous naysayers, the bitter betas, the furious fembots, the condescending scolds, the cackling cunts, your Mom, your Dad, your drinking buddies, your aging ex, your fat girlfriend, your boss, society, the world. They don’t have your best interest at heart. They never did, and they never will. You have no idea just what you are capable of as a man. Game is that powerful.





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  1. Oh boy, I hope her current boyfriend doesn’t read this site.

    [editor: you don’t know if she has a current bf.]

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  2. Now
    this
    is
    chick
    porn.

    She’s such a cutie, that one.

    And, men, check out that body language. That’s somethin’ to emulate.

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  3. Now that is something I can agree with.. People have to live the life they want, not the one that is ‘socially acceptable’ or ‘morally right’.

    You live only once.

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  4. I’m assuming its your place Roissy just cuz how casually you are dressed? The blanket does not go with the sofa btw, she looks good on the it though – so points for knowing how to decorate with chicks. 🙂

    [editor: her place. there are other reasons for being casually dressed. ;)]

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  5. lol at the wife beater.

    Nice touch.

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  6. I know a guy in his 50s that is a total Cad. His latest conquest is his daughter’s best friend and she’s 21 years old.

    Myself, I can attest to women at least ten years younger being with me. Cary Grant was married to a woman 50 years younger. So was that fat guy that played Scotty in Star Trek.

    Age is not a factor for men until you act like an old cancer ridden Mr. Burns.

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  7. There are not many 22ish year old women who know that they could be interested in and have a good experience with an older man or that dating 2X their age (or even 10-15 years older) is an option for them.

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  8. on October 25, 2009 at 8:22 pm ironrailsironweights

    a 21 year old who is at least 5 points higher than Steve Phillips’ moocow mistress

    GNP, landing strip, or Hideous Pedophilic Bald Eagle?

    Peter

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  9. Good post. Straigh-talking beatdown of the beta within.

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  10. I second Roissy’s statement that nobody has a man’s interests first. Everybody wants to curtail a man’s sexuality. Church, state, family, friends. And, they all think they could spend his money better than he can.

    It is easy to ruin the average man’s self confidence, since the average guy (aka. beta) hasn’t had two dozen women by the time he is 25, so, how is he to know?

    Roissy, spread the good word.

    The one area which Roissy, I think, overlooks is professionally supplied sex.

    Sex is no different from food in many ways. Imagine only eating a good dinner if you get a woman to cook it for you for free. Otherwise, only microwave pizza for you. That would stink, wouldn’t it?

    Imagine idiots telling you that food prepared by a “loving” woman’s hand, no matter if she only knows how to make hamburger and baked potatoes, is better than a seven course meal prepared by an expert chef and served with style in an eloquent restaurant.

    Ain’t nothing wrong with eating out.

    Having a large number of experiences with good looking women, paid or not, goes a long way to knocking the average girl off the pedestal betas put them on. This is crucial for betas. A beta who has had several dozen very pleasant encounters with gorgeous young women (not the same girl over and over, many different women) over a two year period just isn’t going to get tongue tied by some average woman. And, hanging out in strip bars, drinking with, carrying on outrageously with (It’s amazing what is “legal” in strip bars) , and getting to know, strippers (who are frequently gorgeous young women), helps, too.

    Anyway, the whole idea is to be relaxed around pretty women, enjoy them, and screw them. And, not to worry about getting laid on any particular night. If some plain Jane won’t make you dinner, there is always Ruth Chris steak house. And, she won’t be there when you wake up.

    After a while, if money is no object, you might start to wonder why you even bothered with amateurs in the first place. I mean, what’s the point?

    Anyway, get experience. That is the best teacher. Being amoral helps.

    Oh, and Roissy is right about youth. A woman over 28 is very old compared to an 18 year old, but how the hell would some nerdy 30 yo guy ever know that? Those betas marrying older woman are just pathetic, and it is due to inexperience.

    Professionally supplied experiences can really fill in the knowledge gap.

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  11. Suggestion,
    You should have a “Roissy award” every few months for when a member of the MSM trashes some pretty lies and tells some truth…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1222928/Why-wont-men-date-successful-women-like-me.html

    In short: “Alpha women” whines she can’t find a man…she sounds like a real monster…but surprisingly, instead of following the usual female “Rule of Steve Sailer” (i.e.: demanding that society change so that she is more attractive) she realizes that “maybe we have to acknowledge we can’t undo our evolutionary changes” and a solution could be to be more feminine!

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  12. Knees too pointy. I’ve had better. 2/10

    (She’s very attractive)

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  13. Roissy

    Hot girl. Definitely.

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  14. Hear, hear!

    I knew a guy in his early 30s who was dating an 18 year old for over a year… and prior to that, was sleeping with girls 17-21.

    Body language there is classic alpha. Notice the girl’s contented grin and leaning into him.

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  15. Aw, the onmouseover says ‘love’.

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  16. Dreamer

    There are not many 22ish year old women who know that they could be interested in and have a good experience with an older man or that dating 2X their age (or even 10-15 years older) is an option for them.

    There are in Asia. I get flirted at by teenagers even. When I was 39ish and non-monogamous the average age of the dozen or so girls I dated was 24. The next year lived with a 21 year old for a year. Year after went for a 26 (and 22 and 38 and 34 and 21 and whatnot), then back down to a 23. Now I’m with an old woman who turned 27 on me. We will seek a teenager for threesomes.

    There is no age taboo in Asia. And don’t get femsnot all over the issue – it isn’t because the poor sluts are selling themselves out of poverty and necessity. They come all over us like mad.

    Even while in the US I dated college girls while I was in my thirties. The age phobia in the west is cultural – not the natural state of affairs – not the natural state of female attraction. Fems like what the older man offers.

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  17. Roissy has disappointingly soft looking hands. (Hand, whatever.)

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  18. I would agree with joel up to a point regarding “professionally supplied sex”, with the caveat that too much experience with “professionals” may cause men with already low self-esteem to conclude, at least unconsciously, that they can only get laid by paying for it so why even try with regular women.

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  19. Every man needs to ensure he looks good in wife-beaters.

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  20. I’d shuck her oyster

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  21. @xsplat

    Throughout most of human history, young woman + older man has been the normal situation. There was a comedy written in 16th century Italy about a group of young men “getting back” at the older merchants for stealing “their” women. (unfortunately, I can’t source this right now).

    Generally speaking, a woman wants strength and stability, while a man wants beauty, a healthy and fertile mother for his children, and a feminine companion. The west’s stigma against age gaps is just a result of programming.

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  22. Hmm. Your girlfriend looks not only pretty but sweet-natured and lively, Roissy. What on earth did you do to deserve her? 😉 …On second thought, don’t answer that.

    When I was a pretty young thing I really didn’t find older men attractive, but I admit I knew many girls my age who did. They were more likely to be socially ambitious, though, than the rest of us; the kind of girls who feel superior to other girls because they lost their virginity first, and who want to date older men to have something to brag about to their friends. You should acknowledge that “older” to teenagers usually means only old enough to be grown-up but still be cool, like a 26-year-old grad student who plays in a band, for example. For those girls really determined to get ahead of the pack, a married man of 30 might be in the cards.

    But in general, youth calls to youth. The idea that girls uncorrupted by feminism would rush to date older men is one that should be taken with a grain of salt, just like the idea that men uncorrupted by patriarchal expectations would rush to date older women. Neither of these ideas is completely false. It’s just that the age difference between “older” and “younger” is not likely to be all that great from the perspective of the middle-aged. 15 to 26 or 18 to 30 is doable when either sex is the older party: the older and younger partners will each have something to gain and not much to lose by the age difference. But when the gap gets much greater a happy or neutral outcome becomes less likely.

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  23. I’m almost fourty and I get IOIs from 20 year old girls. Is that wrong?

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  24. I’m almost fourty and I get IOIs from 20 year old girls. Is that wrong?

    Yes. The correct spelling is “forty.”

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  25. Ya.. a good restaurant beats a crappy home cooked meal. Now you have to careful about the restaurant’s hygiene standards, but still..

    There is nothing special about a home cooked meal.

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  26. Good to see ya Joe, still my No. 1 fan.

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  27. Chic–

    Most likely reasons like that are part of why Roissy’s not going to leave this up long.

    Besides, is it so shameful to have dated Roissy? As perhaps one of his few lasting for a good while and deeply involving in love relationships? I’d say he’s obliquely referenced at least three since he started learning game as such, including the current one. His fairly often preference is not for sluts you know.

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  28. on October 25, 2009 at 9:34 pm Biting Beaver

    I notice she is smiling. Was that before or after you raped her?

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  29. on October 25, 2009 at 9:35 pm Biting Beaver

    On a second thought…is that your sister?

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  30. @joe-lolrof
    @clio- you are playing with fire love 🙂

    @doug Most likely reasons like that are part of why Roissy’s not going to leave this up long.
    Yes, you’re right.

    Besides, is it so shameful to have dated Roissy?

    Depends upon how her boyfriend sees it. If he’s a fan, he may take it as a complement that R nailed his woman. If he is a detractor, then he will be pissed that R smashed his woman.

    [editor: i say again: you don’t know if she has a bf, or if i’m still seeing her. you know nothing. so why do you persist in your presumptuousness? and obsidian wonders why i think you’re a lying cunt. if the flappy vaj fits…]

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  31. I went to a bar last night which was featuring a Kiss tribute band and a costume party. Several of my coworkers were there.

    One guy, who I had never seen before in a setting outside of work, was astounding me with his game. He is around 46 years old, and very short, around 5-3, but he was hugging and stroking on 2 very receptive early 20s cuties. Don’t know if he left with one (or both), but from what I was seeing it looked as though he easily could have.

    Note that this guy, while short, is also very muscular and even more important, very well spoken and outgoing.

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  32. Roissy i say again: you don’t know if she has a bf, or if i’m still seeing her. you know nothing

    Did you read Doug’s question. Calm yourself.

    [editor: again, you lie. you presumed she had a “current bf” before doug asked his question.

    if you want to get in my good graces, chic, all you need to do is

    STOP

    LYING.

    but, since i believe character is destiny, i don’t expect you to ever stop lying. and so you will always and forevermore be a lying cunt to me.]

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  33. “In short: ‘Alpha women’ whines she can’t find a man…she sounds like a real monster…but surprisingly, instead of following the usual female ‘Rule of Steve Sailer’ (i.e.: demanding that society change so that she is more attractive) she realizes that ‘maybe we have to acknowledge we can’t undo our evolutionary changes’ and a solution could be to be more feminine!” – Loon Jobbie.

    Pfff. I think you meant to write ‘Beta women’. Just like Beta men, Beta woman use specialist whining to complain they can’t roll with the Alphas. Just as ‘nice guys’ can’t understandz that women want Alpha males – ‘nice gals’ can’t understandz men want Alpha females. If a Beta woman feels the need to karate-kick a Beta male forever pining over Alpha women when she knows he’s nowhere near the level to attract Alpha women then a Beta man must feels the need to slap a plumper Beta woman sideways when she complains she can’t attract the Alpha bad boys when he knows she’s got no bait. Of course, such Beta men and women are made for one another but both reply “I not dating some nice guy/plumper loser”. Maybe it something to do with the modern ‘entitlement mentality’.

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  34. on October 25, 2009 at 9:44 pm sexuallyricist

    everytime i go around
    shawty love me down
    run off on me like click clack
    throw it out like take that
    she make it do what it do when we doing what we do in back of the lac
    Im like im up all for that , and every night her body gets straped how bout

    that
    Gangstaa G- Gangsta , Gangstaa G – Gangstaa , Gangstaa G – Gangstaa
    Thatt gangstaaa lovee .

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  35. It’s Sunday night in the château,the music is playing but people aren’t so happy because money problems abound the residents of château roissy. Even high earners like Tood are having money problems.

    R , with advice of his account seeking alpha, roissy recently raised rents 25%. To make up the difference, some residents took to renting space in the basement so they could work on a side hustle.

    Aoefe and Nicole run an S&M dungeon.

    Chic Noir runs a how to look like an alpha consulting business.

    Peter has a top secret laboratory(more on that latter).

    Tood took to renting space in the basement so he could open a barber shop.

    Btw, has anyone noticed that Tood’s been very amped and irritated as of late.

    Chuck went down to Tood’s shop to get a shapeup. After a full night of parting at club alpha, Chuck was so exhausted he could hardly keep his eyes open. I could tell you the rest but….

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  36. Pupu could not figure out where Roissy’s legs started and where they ended *in the picture*. Whoever took the picture should have picked a better angle.

    The girl is sweet and lovely.

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  37. She’s pretty cute. Looks like she has curly hair, which I strongly approve of.

    Also, I’d have to say half-sigma is way off base with his thoughts on 22 year-olds. There are more (highly desirable) 22 year-olds who are looking for a LTR with a guy near 40 than a guy near 22.

    For the most part 22 year old guys are either losers or completely absorbed in their career / education. Its hard to get somewhere decent at 40 if you are screwing around at 22.

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  38. Nice girl.

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  39. props. roissy the enabler.

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  40. This picture would be more awesome if you were holding a can of Budweiser.

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  41. Fuck. That’s my wife!

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  42. Biting Beaver

    I notice she is smiling. Was that before or after you raped her?

    Jealousy horny beaver, jealousy.

    Do you enjoy a strapping before your raping?

    Draw a drop of blood, or no?

    Or shall we just leave it all up to me?

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  43. Loon Jobbie —

    You’ve got it wrong about Ms. Lewis and her plight.

    From your link, its obvious to me that Zoe Lewis isn’t staring harsh reality full-on. At best, she’s only peeking at it askance, avoiding the FAR more critical barrier to her getting a man:

    She’s 36 and looks like she’s 56, and an ugly 56 at that.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1140543/As-successful-playwright-woman-world-feet-So-36-does-feel-bitterly-unfulfilled.html

    That should tell you all you need to know about her oblique — and crass self-congratulatory — glimpse at frightening reality. Whilst reminding us of her “high” achievement (a dubious claim, really) and how it “emasculates” the men she dates, she closes her eyes to the truth that she’s just not physically attractive — she’s not even average.

    Her high female entitlement complex to beauty ratio (in her case (9:2) undoubtedly only makes the men that do deign to date her even more disgusted.

    She wants to accept a evolution-based explanation for her loveless life, but the wrong one. While a woman’s high achievement status, wealth, and hard-charging ambition can impact her attractiveness, they pale in comparison to her looks.

    As a counterpoint, I offer Ségolène Royal:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segolene_Royal

    A vastly more ambitious and accomplished single woman, Royal is also TWO DECADES older than Lewis. I doubt she has difficulty at all finding men to date, and that’s because she has retained a modicum of beauty from her youth, while Zoe Lewis likely had none to begin with.

    She can blame her career all she wants, but cruel evolution isn’t barring her from love for that reason, and its nearly insulting that she’s offering this excuse when the truth is so obvious.

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  44. I’d need to see another picture of this girl, because I think I have actually seen her a couple of times. If it is, indeed, the girl I have seen, I remember her for one reason: she is the spitting image of my sister-in-law. The first time I saw her, in Dupont Circle a couple of years ago, I nudged my wife and she agreed that the likeness was amazing. I saw the same girl a couple of months ago in Toledo Lounge after work one day, and it was almost disconcerting, as if I were seeing a ghost. It’s probably not the same girl, but I wouldn’t know without better pics.

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  45. Maybe you can write a piece about how women like to put their god damn feet on the furniture.

    It annoys me, and I can always count on a bitch putting her damn dirty feet up on the furniture.

    Why do women always put their stupid feet on the furniture? Don’t they know how childish and skanky that is?

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  46. In my experience, an older guy in shape can induce gina tingles in a 21 year old without excessive difficulty but to close the deal you need excellent social proof. At least in the Anglosphere.

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  47. That last paragraph beats all of Anthony Robbins motivational speeches(except for this rocky speech because its just too badass.)

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  48. I agree that the author of the article I linked to has hit the wall. This is one of, if not the largest reason that she is single. My use of “alpha woman” was in quotes to signify that this is what she ironically labels herself. I still think this article is unique for a MSM essay. In the MSM, these articles typically begin by listing the ladies accomplishments, move into descriptions of their various failed relationships, and finally segue into generic moralizing that society must change. This article is unique in that it recognizes that a lack of femininity at least contributes to unattractiveness, and then mentions evolution as opposed to cultural conditioning as being the cause.

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  49. here’s a pic from one year ago of me and a 21 year old who is at least 5 points higher than Steve Phillips’ moocow

    For some reason, I presumed Roissy could do better.

    Game is that powerful.

    Then why are we looking at an average looking 21 year old.

    Every man needs to ensure he looks good in wife-beaters.

    Wife-beaters, the refuge of the ghetto and trashy. I would rather go shirtless in freezing weather than wear a wife-beater.

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  50. Twenty + girls will do a handsome, fit, powerful man with game no matter what his age…

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  51. on October 26, 2009 at 12:08 am dirtyharrycallahan

    The curls are a +1, though to be fair your twilight inspired paleness really appeals to the target demographic in this particular case.

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  52. I am terrible at ranking girls on the beauty scale. Roissy your answer here will be very revealing to me regarding future discussions of girls and their relative beauty. Can you please tell us where you’d rank her? Plus I think this will be helpful for some of the men here who rank women too low – they need your expert guidance. (okay I may have become too much of a suck-up here) 🙂

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  53. “Depends upon how her boyfriend sees it. If he’s a fan, he may take it as a complement that R nailed his woman. If he is a detractor, then he will be pissed that R smashed his woman.” – chic

    no man would ever take it as a compliment that any man has “nailed” his woman. At least I definately fucking wouldn’t. Roissy isn’t gonna point that out in this case. Preselection is a girl thing.

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  54. And i think you should rate her too. I thought exactly the same thing when I seen the pic. It would be very telling.

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  55. on October 26, 2009 at 12:37 am Brick Oven Bill

    Between you and the furnature, we observe that there is much for us to learn Roissy.

    Bravo.

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  56. She’s a 6.5/7. Bangable without a bag.

    I read all your archives over the past week and went out to dinner with my friend and his wife last night. I played the ‘uncaring asshole’ perfectly. Midway through dinner my friend’s wife leaned over and whispered in my ear, “You’re really hot tonight.” At the end of the night she showed me pictures of her tits on her iphone.

    All of this happened in front of my friend. Who did nothing except make passive-aggressive remarks towards me to try and save face.

    I give the marriage a year tops.

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  57. interesting that R puts a pic up. his interweb haters are going to save that shit.

    Mindfuck should have read Roissy’s post on public shaming of sluts. If he was your friend, you should have put her in her place for being that way.

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  58. on October 26, 2009 at 1:03 am greater beta in new york

    Looks like a 7 to me. Definitely a cute girl. It’s hard to tell for sure from this picture though, if I saw other pictures she might turn out to be a 6 or 8 and I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Girls usually date guys at their rating or one up, so a girl like this dates greater betas (7) and lesser alphas (8). My read on Roissy is he’s a lesser alpha, so this girl seems about right.

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  59. Roissy has slender fingers, but wifebeaters are so… déclassé.

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  60. I agree with Roissy that women can OFTEN want significantly older men. Examples: Chelsea Handler, whose boyfriend is about twenty years older, the then 17 year old Hillary Duff dating some rock guy 11 years older, the gal I knew at 16 dating a man 12 years older, Amber Tamblyn who dates that Mr. Show guy who is more than twice her age (about 25 years older), Eliza Dushku whose boyfriend (Rick Fox) is around 15 years older, and really a good deal of Hollywood.

    It takes a lot to mature guys, particularly when they are protected through life as many are during adolescence. Girls prefer “older” (i.e. calmer, more mature, more protective) and will go for an older guy vs. a young one as long as the older one is in shape. They will climb up the age differential the more the guy has status/power/dominance and mature assurance. This is particularly true if the pool of guys their own age and higher status/power/dominance is limited.

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  61. I’m sure she is very sweet but is it really proving anything about a 2.5 fat chick not being typical for an older man who is not widely known? I really don’t expect Phillips to get much better. He has old, wrinkly balls… no well-adjusted, attractive 22 year old with other (younger) options wants that in their face. You are much younger than Phillips, of course you can pull a 6.5+.

    To pretend that a man’s age does not greatly decrease his value to well-adjusted women 20 years or more his junior is delusional.

    [editor: define well-adjusted.]

    Well-adjusted young women attractive women are spending time with young, successful men who they hope to marry them to secure their future.

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  62. As a teenager, I exclusively lusted after men who were 30+. Like whiskey says, it was justified by a host of things like status, maturity, and intelligence. So seriously, not much has changed, but there are the rare exceptions of men who are under 30 and exhibit demonstrations of aforementioned qualities. Like my boyfriend who is 25, which is a serious step-down agewise from the men I typically date.

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  63. Many men are crippled by doubt. They have no understanding of the possible. To these men I say: Stop listening to the jealous naysayers, the bitter betas, the furious fembots, the condescending scolds, the cackling cunts, your Mom, your Dad, your drinking buddies, your aging ex, your fat girlfriend, your boss, society, the world. They don’t have your best interest at heart. They never did, and they never will. You have no idea just what you are capable of as a man. Game is that powerful.

    What a fine way to start the week. Positively inspirational. Bears repeating. Keep delivering this good news, boss.

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  64. My guess is Roissy’s gf in the picture is aware he’s put the pic up – they are still friends in some way whether romantically or not. If this is the case (i’m betting it is) he can’t rank her here – he has likely told her where she ranks (perhaps up-numbered her because it makes her feel good and it costs him nothing) and telling us either will cause him to rank her higher here (distorting the scale) or tell the truth and risk hurting her.

    [editor: why would telling the truth hurt her?]

    So knowing this I take away my request, not that you would have done it anyway. 😉

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  65. on October 26, 2009 at 1:36 am dirtyharrycallahan

    she’s a 7.5 at the low end, we can’t really see her full body to adjust accordingly (up or down).

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  66. Looks like a 7 to me.

    She’s a 5, and I will stand by that remark.

    [editor: knowing your taste in women (bad) she should take this as evidence of her cuteness.]

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  67. knowing your taste in women (bad) she should take this as evidence of her cuteness

    She looks exactly like my brother’s friend. While her cuteness detracts from her sexual value,

    [editor: only a shut-in closet case sexual retard would say a girl’s cuteness detracts from her sexual value.]

    I just don’t think she’s worth the over hyped rank that she’s been given.

    [the record shows that your opinion of women’s looks is, ah how shall we say?… very suspect.]

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  68. on October 26, 2009 at 2:00 am greater beta in new york

    While her cuteness detracts from her sexual value

    See DA, the fact that you think cuteness detracts from sexual value explains a lot. If you had more sex, you’d appreciate how great it is when a “cute” girl takes her clothes off and turns into a passionate sexual creature under your power.

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  69. For what it’s worth, I’d argue Lemmonex and KassyK are far closer to a 7 than this girl.

    This is a 7:

    This girl is far better looking, and I’d argue that’s what your game should be reaping as a benefit.

    [editor: one, that girl isn’t better looking. two, this is not the type of girl you used to crow about being attractive. i remember the first couple of times i asked you to link to pics of girls you found attractive and you left some links in the comments to the most mannish lantern-jawed ugly-ass porn trannies i have ever seen. and then you defended their supposed hotness even when every guy on this board was telling you how ugly they were. ever since then, i’ve justifiably instructed the studio audience to take your opinion of women’s looks with a flat of salt.

    you’re an outlier weirdo, DA. you may as well embrace it.]

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  70. If he was in a pic with the 18 year old au pair from a few weeks back, then that would be bragging.

    I guess the point is is that R is of the age where 22 year olds may not be looking to date him. At least he isn’t bragging about Jessica Cutler or anything like that. She’s cute, she’s young, no larger lesson other than nothing disqualifies you from anything. Steve Phillips should have really done better.

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  71. Looking at this picture makes me want to crawl up onto Roissy’s lap and give him a hot sexy smooch!

    The girl is super cute. I love her smile!

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  72. Well, Roissy’s like 38 or something. The chick is 21, probably like the 100th girl he’s fucked and probably not the only girl he was fucking at the time. So, if she’s a 7, it’s still quite a catch.

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  73. on October 26, 2009 at 2:25 am The Fifth Horseman

    This bears repeating often :

    80% of men and 99.9% of women will never, ever, ever comprehend Game. They are not high enough in Maslow’s hierarchy to get it. This becomes evident the more time one spends in this ‘sphere’.

    So there is no point in trying to explain Game to people unless they have taken the very first step themselves.

    For all but 0.1% of women, they have as much chance of grasping why Game works as an average 19th century person can grasp why a cellphone works.

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  74. Black-face, Roissy?

    RACIST!

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  75. I would like to know why the f___ WordPress is sticking that picture in. That is not me.

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  76. She is not a 7. She is 6 at most
    You can see this kind of girl everywhere in where i was born(Spain).
    People will bash me for telling that she is not 7, she is still a catch, but not someone with the game need to boast about

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  77. If I was going to post a picture, I’d link to one worth seeing.

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  78. Yikes, she did a photo shoot during the monthly Midol fiesta.

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  79. @The Fifth Horsemen
    I think much more percentage of women are aware of the game, they can recognize the guy is emulating a “persona” to get into the game in lots of occasions. But the key point is women care more about the emotional reaction the game ignites rather than analysing the integrity of it

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  80. The asian looks like a 8, but without photoshop and the makeup she would be 6.5-7

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  81. Her knees are drawn up tightly, being held by her clenched hands. Yet try as she might, the open-unabashed smile transmits that she is in the middle of a gina-tingle, that she is trying to suppress. I -BET- her toes are curling the very moment of the camera’s flash.

    She has a vaugley mediterranean look. Greek? Italian? Jewish? She’s very cute. Looks like “the pretty girl next door”. David Alexander might not like the pretty girl next door, but most guys do.

    Roissy’s posture, the dangling hand, the wife beater, the relaxed fit jeans all say, “Im relaxed and completely at ease with myself”. Its certainly alpha physical composure. Now that Ive read on the subject and know what to look for, you can just about pick the truly confident men out of a room by just glancing.

    Dirty P.S. ——If I was banging a gal who was >10 years younger than me, I think I’d have to try to get her to call me “daddy” at least once. Preferably when playfully smacking her derriere’ during a particular sexual position.

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  82. I’d give her a solid 8. She’s cute. It could be higher, but I’d have to see a vaj shot first.

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  83. For the record, I say she is a 6.

    @Roissy:
    Well adjusted means someone not battling low self-esteem, daddy issues or some sort of abuse they haven’t worked through yet etc.

    [editor: your premise is false, then. most women dating older men are not battling low self esteem, daddy issues, or past abuse. but nice try, bittergirl.]

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  84. Very cute girl.

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  85. I’d say she’s a 7 (give or take 1 for individual tastes/difference between pic and reality).

    Why is Roissy hiding his face? It’s easy enough to find pictures of him. Blacking out the face is kind of a wimp out or reeks of vanity (poor thing hasn’t put his face on yet).

    In general young women are attracted to guys who are a little older than them. Whether or not that can be stretched into decades rather than years depends on a lot on the particular woman, how ambitious she is and whether that ambition is inner or outer driven, how strong her sex drive is, whether she has daddy (or mommy) issues, wants kids etc.

    Nevertheless, there are always enough young women who can find a significantly older man attractive (if he’s not gone to total pot and has enough material and social status) that such a man can attract and keep a younger woman.

    But, also a lot of young women who are feeling out and testing their sexual power like to flirt across a wide range of guys (including older high status men) but won’t close the deal with them (and may freak out if he tries too hard).

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  86. on October 26, 2009 at 4:40 am msexceptiontotherule

    If you’re telling the men who read this blog to ignore the opinions of the following…
    ” jealous naysayers, the bitter betas, the furious fembots, the condescending scolds, the cackling cunts, your Mom, your Dad, your drinking buddies, your aging ex, your fat girlfriend, your boss, society, the world.”

    then why should they put any stock in what you have to say on anything either?

    Not that I’m making any statement that they should do anything in particular, including that which I inquired about in the section above. Just wondering how much you’re expecting to be taken seriously, or feel others should give any weight or stock in with regards to the opinions and beliefs that they read here.

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  87. I am a big fan of the G Manifesto and your blog Roissy. My first time posting. Is the person posting on your comments actually the G Man himself MPM? Also, why do you put up with half of these bullshit arguments in your comment section? None of them seem worth it. If you’re trying to embarrass them into not writing anymore it might be counterproductive. Keep up the good work.

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  88. Cliff

    how ambitious she is and whether that ambition is inner or outer driven, how strong her sex drive is, whether she has daddy (or mommy) issues, wants kids etc.

    How would those variable affect a girl, and what is a daddy or mommy “issue”?

    Are you aware that many older men fuck for longer and are better in bed than young dudes? Old guys can rock the bed. I know a lot of younger guys have too much cognitive dissonance in that area to be able to accept those facts.

    Ambition? I don’t get it. What are you trying to say?

    And I’ve heard it many times, but what on this earth is a Daddy issue? That she likes her mate to play a Daddy role? That’s a female innate trait issue, not a Daddy issue.

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  89. Roissy, thanks for the post! You keep me encouraged. Oh, and the girl is a 7, at least.

    DA, you are not normal.

    James O, your taste in females is impeccable.

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  90. Hellooo, commenters, his 2D:4D is right there…what sayeth the jury? To me, looks close enough to 1.00 that maybe this guy is a good poster boy for nurture rather than nature.

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  91. “How would those variable affect a girl”

    how ambitious she is = how much (and how high) she wants to raise herself on the social ladder

    whether that ambition is inner or outer driven = whether she wants to get ahead on her own or is okay with riding some other guy’s success

    whether she wants kids = and the timing of widow-single-momhood when older dad kicks the bucket sooner, and a lot of older guys are pretty adamant about not wanting kids (and are generally harder to spring a surprise pregnancy on)

    how strong her sex drive is = whether she’d rather have longer less often or shorter more often, how much she’s into orgasms (older is a better bet), how much she’s into a partner’s looks (especially skin tone and a v shaped torso which almost all men lose as their bodily proportions change with age)

    daddy issues = for most women daddy issues means she’s looking for an ersatz daddy because her real daddy wasn’t there enough (physically or emotionally) or it’s a problematic relationship (usually perceived by her as not getting his approval).

    mommy issues = either in competition with mommy (and sees screwing older guys as beating mom in her own field) or in a triangle with mom over dad’s affections (basic elektra complex).

    There’s also the issue of how much common context, world view and shared knowledge and values are important to a particular woman.

    Like I said, enough younger women can be attracted to significantly older men that it’s easy to get the illusion that all can, but that is an illusion.

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  92. on October 26, 2009 at 6:16 am zunderdownunder

    Ah huh….I have bigger biceps than Roissy.

    ~

    I like Brunettes. She is way above a 5 that some clown stated.
    Solid 7, and when all dressed up would probably be an HB8 easily.

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  93. the girl cannot be rated, the photo is to unclear for that.

    but her smile is exactly that kind of girly smile that makes girls worth chasing. It lightens up your day

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  94. No Gig, you can not rate the girl (for whatever reason) but I will, have, and so will others.

    I like her heart-shaped face. Very feminine to me.
    Much more appealing than the angular square-jawed women that you seem to see in abundance, for instance, as TV news presenters.

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  95. @The Fifth Horseman: Actually i think they are quite aware of the game. Its that they feel so emotionally attached when they see someone with a game, so they have nothing to do about it. I think women does not care about the integrity of the man “posing” the game(not doing it naturally) if he can do it in the right way and ignite her passions.
    Its like some women easily falling for high class guys even their high class originates of drug dealing, outlaw activities and such

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  96. Congratulations Roissy, the girl is a solid 7, maybe even 8. I once had a very similar girlfriend, who was 16 at the time. She just looked so cute in her school uniform. I was in my early twenties and dated her having parental authorization. Ah, memories…

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  97. [editor: why would telling the truth hurt her?]

    It wouldn’t as long as you were honest with her, but if you’d inflated the number then you risk offending her if you went lower here.

    [editor: i don’t think you understood me. your original contention was that i would either inflate the number or risk hurting her if i told the truth. so i asked: why would my being honest on this blog about her rank hurt her? you need to examine your premises.]

    I say this because women want men to believe they find her hotter than other women he sees (not dates). I think most women know where they fit on the beauty scale but love to believe their partner sees them higher, many men will tell their women they rate higher than they actually are because it costs them nothing (at the time).

    Mind you you’re not most men – so what am I talking about again?

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  98. on October 26, 2009 at 8:11 am Willard Libby

    David “tranny loving” Alexander

    For what it’s worth, I’d argue Lemmonex and KassyK are far closer to a 7 than this girl.

    This is a 7:

    This girl is far better looking, and I’d argue that’s what your game should be reaping as a benefit.

    I agree with the Haitian freak.

    roissy’s gal pal is about a 5 and the blond is about a 7. That is without info on the overall body form, vulva, walk etc.

    Compare.

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  99. I am terrible at ranking girls on the beauty scale

    no aoefe

    The correct sentence would be “It is terrible for me ranking girls on the beauty scale” because women can rank other women as quickly as men do.

    No Gig, you can not rate the girl (for whatever reason) but I will, have, and so will others.

    calm down, dude.

    Second, while a 22 year old is not half my age, it is significantly younger than me, so I know of what I speak

    a proxy for your social proof with younger girls is your statuts with younger guys. The greatest age gap for kiss-closing in my life, 10 years of difference, happened when I went to a bar with my younger cousins (7 & 8 years younger)

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  100. on October 26, 2009 at 8:17 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””””James O.
    I would like to know why the f___ WordPress is sticking that picture in. That is not me.
    ””””””’
    lol

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  101. “then why should they put any stock in what you have to say on anything either? ”

    Because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so?

    The men to whom this advice is going out likely already have listened to that bunch for years and years.

    And what has it gotten them?

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  102. @Gig – The correct sentence would be “It is terrible for me ranking girls on the beauty scale” because women can rank other women as quickly as men do.

    No we can rank ourselves in relation to where we sit with other women, but I can not predict what men will say about a girl’s number. This board is a very good example of this. Just look at the rating numbers this girl has received in the comments – all over the board (pun intended).

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  103. I don’t understand this. roissy just ain’t as old as the guy sigma’s talking about.

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  104. Willard you are notoriously hard on women in regards to beauty. I mean you hate my lips! 😉

    That aside I think the woman you and DA think is a higher number is equal in number to the girl in Roissy’s picture.

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  105. on October 26, 2009 at 8:56 am Willard Libby

    aoefe

    Willard you are notoriously hard on women in regards to beauty.

    That’s because I rank women on sex appeal as well as aesthetics.

    And I’m biased toward well built, curvy women who look like naturally superior women.

    I don’t go for little girly types or super thin women.

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  106. on October 26, 2009 at 8:59 am Willard Libby

    I mean you hate my lips!

    Your lips are ok, as long as they’re moistened up.

    Women should get more coconut oil in their diet and also put coconut oil on their lips as a moisturizer. Both pair of lips.

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  107. Well played Roissy..one question, what type of jeans are those? You had a picture on the post on body stances and the guy in it looked like he was wearing 7’s or some such designer denim. In the picture it looks likes levis, american eagle or some such basic denim.

    Also, LOL at you not keeping the picture up for long…its the interwebs dude, I’m guessing at least 10 people have copied it already.

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  108. I think this picture is a good start apply to get on FemX’s blog roll! 😀

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  109. Girl is an 8-9. Bravo Roissy!
    Poor souls who said she was a 5 or 6 – does that mean if you take a walk on the street, 4 or 5 girls out of 10 would be prettier than her? Bullshit!
    A scale has to have a practical use. If no girl is a 10, then why have a 1-10 scale and not 1-9? It has to be linear, or be otherwise mutually agreed to. And the easiest way to have agreement is to say, if out of 10 random girls only one is prettier, than this one is a 9 – which she is.

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  110. The DA/Willard girl is more sexual than Roissy’s brunette, but I wonder if she isn’t already hitting the tanning-wall. What’s with the uneven complexion splotches, esp. on her chin?

    I like the brunette’s supercute/feminine pose.

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  111. “A scale has to have a practical use. If no girl is a 10, then why have a 1-10 scale and not 1-9? It has to be linear, or be otherwise mutually agreed to.”

    I have proposed that we map the rankings to a normal bell curve distribution.

    6 = average girl

    7 = 1 SD above the mean (1 out of 6 girls)

    8 = 2 SD above the mean (1 out of 45 girls)

    9 = 3 SD above the mean (1 out of 1000 girls)

    Between 9 and 10 – professional beauties (your Jessica Albas, Michelle Lombardos, etc.)

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  112. if out of 10 random girls only one is prettier, than this one is a 9 – which she is.

    The 1-10 scale isn’t a “ruler” with evenly-spaced intervals. It’s a bell-curve. Which, alas, is left-shifted in the US due to obesity.

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  113. “I’m guessing at least 10 people have copied it already.”

    Under-estimated and he can tell who downloads it besides.

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  114. PA is correct. DA/WIllard´s girl (what an awesome threesome would that be!!!) hit the tanning wall hard

    she is on the verge of prematurely aging unless she stops with her tanning sessions

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  115. on October 26, 2009 at 9:36 am Willard Libby

    gig

    PA is correct. DA/WIllard´s girl (what an awesome threesome would that be!!!)

    UUUggggggggg, jesus fuckin christ kill yourself gig.

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  116. 2M / 1F threesome: gay if ANY, even most incidental contact, is made between the two males. Except if it’s a high-five.

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  117. To put a finer point on this — sober high-five: still gay. Drunk high-five: excusable as not gay.

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  118. First off, why shouldn’t five be the mean on a bell curve scale. That makes a lot more sense. To me.

    If anything the mean should be lower than five to make the scale useful. Does anyone really care about the finer gradations of 1s and 2s, while on the other hand 9s and 10s can be the subject of intense debate.

    Its more useful to have more SDs on the top side than on the bottom.

    I’d give her a 7+, with a 5 mean. I’d have to see a better picture to know for sure. Though, I should add that her fair skin and curls speak to my particular tastes.

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  119. I never got why some guys feel the need to calculate an exact “point scale” rating of girls. This isn’t baseball and we aren’t calculating batting average here.

    The girl is young and cute with a pretty smile and nice hair. I wouldn’t complain if she was curled up on the couch next to me and I doubt most men would.

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  120. every man has his own taste, but DA’s example is, eh. her worth is artificially enhanced by the fake-n-bake and the fake blond hair. features-wise, she’s pretty average.

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  121. PA: The 1-10 scale isn’t a “ruler” with evenly-spaced intervals. It’s a bell-curve. Which, alas, is left-shifted in the US due to obesity.

    Not quite. In a perfect bell curve, the median is identical to average. But most women are hotter average (due to a few cig-staches dragging down the average). The bottom 5% of women are far uglier than the top 5% of women are hot. So it would be more accurate to say that hotness is distributed on a bell curve that gets more compressed as you go right.

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  122. “First off, why shouldn’t five be the mean on a bell curve scale. That makes a lot more sense. To me. ”

    Why? Five isn’t the median of a 1 to 10 scale, 5.5 is.

    Besides, if we go what is considered an average looking girl around these parts, my sense is it is closest to a 6. Not too many people consider a 6 above average, while a 7 clearly is.

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  123. As far as women go, there’s a huge group between 5 and 7 (I would guess as much 2/3s of all women), so the real interesting thresholds are 6 (average), 7 (above average) and 8 (beautiful.)

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  124. To the “Leaders of the Hunt” Game’s Men Here :

    If a girl performs a last minute flake on you [literally, fucking last minute] before a date and you KNOW you are going to see her sometime later in the week, how should you respond when she broaches the subject?

    I already know I shouldn’t broach the subject and I should be aloof during the whole exchange, but I’m somewhat at a loss as to what the content of my words should be.

    Initially I have the idea of saying, “Don’t worry — all college girls flake. It is in your nature. I made alternate plans just in case.”

    What do you think?

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  125. With flaking, it depends on whether or not she made a counter-offer for meeting you on a different day. Then, epending on your sense of the situation, you could give her the benefit of the doubt — she does want to see you, but something did come up.

    If she did not propose an alternate day, then write her off. It doesn’t much matter what you say to her, as long as you are aloof and don’t seem angry or hurt.

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  126. on October 26, 2009 at 10:59 am gunslingergregi

    That is why the fuckclose is so important to nip that shit in the bud. It gives you the power.

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  127. a single picture can only give us the lower boundary. which is 6. she could be upwards of a 9 for all we know, but for practical purposes somewhere within 6-8 would be my guess.

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  128. In Response to PA :

    She did not propose an alternate occasion, but she DID initially propose the date to me.

    But yeah, I see what you’re saying.

    In Response to Gunslingergregi :

    That wasn’t possible, but I agree.

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  129. on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 am gunslingergregi

    Or once you get the legs spread it is easier to talk in a more meaningfull way without the background noise of trying to get into skirt and evaluate the woman more realistically.

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  130. JB

    “A scale has to have a practical use. If no girl is a 10, then why have a 1-10 scale and not 1-9? It has to be linear, or be otherwise mutually agreed to.”

    I have proposed that we map the rankings to a normal bell curve distribution.

    You’re right that 10 should be a level that some girls are assigned to. However the scale should the opened up on the right. After all who cares about fine gradations among ugly girls.

    Hence the Doug1 scale ™:

    1=very ugly. Truly unfortunate.
    2= ugly
    3= clearly unattractive. Lots of big chubbies here
    4= not ugly. Average or below. Something’s wrong.
    5= average. Rather plain. Some people would call cute
    6= cute, sorta pretty.
    7= clearly pretty
    8= very pretty; beautiful
    9= gorgeous; very beautiful; extremely pretty
    10= international class rare beauty. As pretty as it gets, only the type differs.

    (Well maybe there are 10.5’s, just to keep people from never assigning anyone a 10. Monica Belluci and Adriana Lima get 10s. So does Victoria Silvstedt.)

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  131. @aoefe

    “Under-estimated and he can tell who downloads it besides.”

    Can he tell who presses print screen and copies it into paint?

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  132. bob —

    but for practical purposes somewhere within 6-8 would be my guess.

    She’s probably an 8, possibly a 9, and conceivably a 7 but I really doubt it. I agree about more pictures being needed to be sure exactly where she is, but no way in hell is she a 6. Get real. Doug1 has spoken.

    She may be a 9. But not a 10 – her face doesn’t have that extra bite to it that a 10 needs. It’s also a little full for a 10.

    But aoefe is right, she does also look like a fresh adorable sweetheart. She looks like great girlfriend material; not at all a hardened slut.

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  133. When I was in grad school I knew some early 20-something chicks who dated guys in their 40s. At the time my reaction was, “Ewwww, why?” Obviously those fellows were not crippled by self-doubt…

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  134. on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 am not really here

    aoefe

    “I’m guessing at least 10 people have copied it already.”

    Under-estimated and he can tell who downloads it besides.

    No he can’t, are you dumb? EVERYBODY has downloaded the image just to be able to see it. He can (probably, I do not know how or even if wordpress tracks statistics) see wich ip’s looked at this page, but there is no way in digital hell he can filter out hits from those who also saved it in a more permanent place.

    Or maybe he can.

    I’m reinstalling my computer, ugh. What a creep.
    (that is a joke about keyloggers by the way, if you did not get it.
    Don’t worry, you can google it. 🙂 )

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  135. Willard–

    This is a 7:

    This girl is far better looking, and I’d argue that’s what your game should be reaping as a benefit.

    I agree with aoefe.

    The girl you linked is an 8, same as the girl above, or maybe a little lower than the girl above. Though the girl you linked isn’t my type at all, and looks both cheap and not terribly bright, unlike Roissy’s raven haired beauty, whom I prefer.

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  136. having a 1-10 scale is fun for shooting the shit with your buddies, but i have my own scale that serves me fine. it consists of three categories: girls i wouldn’t fuck with DA’s hardly-used dick; girls i would fuck if there were minimal effort and reprucussions involved; and girls i would exert effort to fuck.

    obviously the categories are fluid depending on other options and how much i’ve had to drink.

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  137. If more older men openly showed their interest in younger women, you’d definitely see more pairings of 20 somethings and 35+ to 40 somethings. Perhaps Phillips dated her for accessibility. Not everyone has Roissy’s gaming power. I imagine for most men, it’s difficult to approach a woman who’s much younger, and for younger women, it’s difficult to conceive of being w/ someone older unless they’ve personally seen the effects (like younger mother older father, or close friend/relative dating an older man).

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  138. @JB, PA, Doug – I don’t think the curve should be a normal distribution – much easier is a linear scale with percentiles, like your SAT score – if you got 90%, you know you did better than 90% of your peers.

    And if you’d rather use a bell curve, is a 9 really 3 SD’s from the mean – 1 in 1000? Come on… Can you ever nail a 9 then – are you THAT alpha? If I drew up 1000 random guys you’d be the baddest of them all? On that scale the best you could ever do would be a 7, perhaps 8.

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  139. Roissy your pants look a little bit baggy… but then again my pants are always WAY too tight.

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  140. on October 26, 2009 at 12:00 pm gunslingergregi

    Stone can you save up 10k?

    Then yea you can nail a ten.

    So really it’s not like the chances of being a professional athlete or something.

    Now getting the ten to love you might be a challenge.

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  141. on October 26, 2009 at 12:04 pm gunslingergregi

    Stone I am so badass that its like rambo.

    I came and can’t live with the family because they fear me.

    Kind of sucks in a way though.

    Must learn to tone down the badass.

    Although woman can usually handle it no problem.

    Men on the other hand fear me.

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  142. shes solid; looks like a moaner with superimposed screams.

    and at 21 her nubility, and probably flexibility, were prime.

    standing curl-to-military. –> 40’s = somatotype dilapidation.

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  143. Awesome pic Roissy. Have you ever considered that Steve Phillips has such abhorrent sexual fetishes that he can only settle for pigfaced moocows (he was, after all, a sportscaster like Marv Albert)?

    This is a concern I’ve had in general about the 1-10 scale. If willingness to perform demeaning sexual acts overrides physical appearance for a man, then it follows that at least some of the time an alpha male can settle for less than a 5, because ugly women are generally more willing to demean themselves.

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  144. “And if you’d rather use a bell curve, is a 9 really 3 SD’s from the mean – 1 in 1000? ”

    This is a deliberately unforgiving scale which to my interpretation represents the pickiest tastes expressed on this blog.

    A 9 is a very high, very rare grade which is borderline starting point for professional beauties.

    Look, I know how we can settle this, gentlemen:

    1) Pull out your Senior HS yearbooks

    2) Count the number of 8s and 9s in your class – be as exacting as possible.

    3) Determine percentages.

    Post results.

    Should give a rough idea of distribution of 9s.

    Personally, I don’t think there were any 9s in my class of 150 girls in HS, although several 8s.

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  145. And if you’d rather use a bell curve, is a 9 really 3 SD’s from the mean – 1 in 1000? Come on… Can you ever nail a 9 then – are you THAT alpha? If I drew up 1000 random guys you’d be the baddest of them all?

    1 in 1000 is not incomprehensibly rare. We are talking from the general population right? This is different from the population of girls on a college campus or the population of girls at trendy bars / clubs.

    There is already some serious truncation going on to get to those populations. So you might be talking about 1 in 250 or even 1 in 100 from that population, depending on your dating grounds.

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  146. “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    roissy: “this isn’t the place for temperance, son.”

    inconsistency.

    temperance = what we do to attenuate our own words

    moderation = what we do to attenuate other’s

    former acceptable. latter not. what the fuck are people saying that sandsprays your vagina? who’s approval are you trying to gain?

    just piss the truth all over their face.

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  147. JB–

    “And if you’d rather use a bell curve, is a 9 really 3 SD’s from the mean – 1 in 1000? ”

    This is a deliberately unforgiving scale which to my interpretation represents the pickiest tastes expressed on this blog.

    It’s also pointless except for bragging rights, generally about made up conquests or rather pointless powers of discrimination.

    Even my scale is in some ways pointlessly too tough. How many super alphas, Warren Betty level men, wouldn’t screw any 9 that was on offer or not too hard to get, and wasn’t a total shrew personality wise? So the diff between a 10 and a 9 is strictly bragging rights already, even to male immortals.

    Well I suppose that a 10 might inspire more effort and a greater willingness to overlook personality issues or lack of intelligence, than a 9 would. Though in the real world the main thing which makes women 9 and up more or less attractive is their degree of status, especially status as a beauty. In fact that’s really how most 10s get to be that instead of 9s. I wonder how many men would ever assign a 10 to a girl that hasn’t had any official recognition of her beauty – who’s not an actress or model or beauty pageant winner or at least late stage contender.

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  148. on October 26, 2009 at 12:27 pm gunslingergregi

    Seems like a ten is more like one in 10,000,000

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  149. on October 26, 2009 at 12:28 pm gunslingergregi

    Or how many actual boner inducing models are there.

    Divide into world female population.

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  150. Look, I know how we can settle this, gentlemen:

    1) Pull out your Senior HS yearbooks

    2) Count the number of 8s and 9s in your class – be as exacting as possible.

    3) Determine percentages.

    Post results.

    I see a few methodological hiccups here:

    1) Ranking is age dependent. While the peak is probably just after high school, high school seniors should still be significantly more attractive than average

    2) Ranking is cohort dependent. I know that lots of people are pointing to rising obesity as skewing the distribution left, but I will be damned if I don’t see the distribution moving heavily to the right. At least for younger women.

    I am not sure what exactly is causing this but I wouldn’t rule out environmental estrogens.

    3) The population of readers of this blog is likely skewed upwards in terms of education. Which means that they are likely skewed upwards in terms of parental education. Which means they likely came from more affluent, more attractive neighborhoods. To the extent high schools are neighborhood driven this will skew the results.

    Also, yes of course 5.5 is the mean between 1 and 10.

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  151. on October 26, 2009 at 12:30 pm gunslingergregi

    Or how many 10 guys are there take 7 billion divide by 7 million millionaires worldwide and you get one in a thousand.

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  152. @ dick fuel, wordpress automatically flags some comments for moderation. you’re not being censored, relax.

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  153. Hey, is that a Guido t-shirt ol’ Roissy’s a-wearin’ sitting beside his snuggle bunny?
    Is there such a thing as Guido Game?

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  154. What a bunch of fruits, commenting on what Roissy is wearing.

    Wurry urburt yurrself thur, purtnur

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  155. The 10 point scale, at least for me, is not related to frequency in the population. Rather it is strictly a measure of your rising attraction to the girl. For example, most non-fat girls in their early 20s are at least a 6, that is they rise above indifference.

    1-4 are various degrees of actual repugnance. 5 is indifferent. 6 means some attractive qualities. 7 is unambiguously attractive, but not in any way spectacular. 8 is very attractive, but decidedly not perfect. 9 is extremely attractive with only tiny flaws. 10 is perfection.

    Most models popular with men are somewhere between a 9 and a 10. True 10s do exist, but are very rare. Perhaps only Monica Bellucci in her prime, that I have seen, qualifies as a true 10.

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  156. on October 26, 2009 at 12:53 pm gunslingergregi

    “”””””” rising attraction to the girl”””””””

    And that is the most important aspect. I like the roissy analogies of the amount of released fluid from nothing to over a gallon.

    Good measure of hotness for you personnaly I think would be how many time do you want to bang her per day.

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  157. on October 26, 2009 at 12:56 pm gunslingergregi

    Roissy I think a question might be what was the bang count per day on this one vs your highest bang count.

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  158. This reminds me of the Abraham Maslow quote: “The story of the human race is the story of men and women selling themselves short.”

    You have more power than you realize.

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  159. how about this, the number system is based on your reaction? The difference between any numbers is based on how repulsed or crazy they make you feel. Roissy’s little hunny bunny isn’t a ten or anything but the point of his post is that an older guy can attract a much younger girl without dumpster diving.

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  160. Karl,

    All your points are valid as far the entire range of data.

    If you isolate the analysis to 8s and 9s, I believe you still get closer to what I expected. I went to one of the most affluent public schools in my state, and yet there were no professional beauties in my class.

    There were exactly 3 girls I strongly lusted after, to which I assign an 8, and maybe 15-20 who were very doable (7s).

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  161. Don’t base the 1-10 scale based on “the pickiest tastes expressed on this blog” – this blog is full of PAPER alphas that say “yeah, I only bang 8s or 9s” yet if the rating is so:

    8 = 2 SD above the mean (1 out of 45 girls)
    9 = 3 SD above the mean (1 out of 1000 girls)

    then if you go to a bar with 100 women, you’d only see 2 8’s – and you’d have to go to 10 bars before you meet a 9. and she’d fuck you, of all men she met that night… yeah, right.

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  162. Stone: read what Karl said — “This is different from the population of girls on a college campus or the population of girls at trendy bars / clubs. ”

    We’re talking several layers of selection here, not normal distribution. You get 8s and 9s flocking to a limited number of clubs in big metropolitan areas.

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  163. depends. if its 1 out of 1000 in the ENTIRE POPULATION of women, including grandmas, etc. then yes, its plausible. on the college campus it will be very different

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  164. That’s what Roissy calls a “7”! I’ve been taking advice from this guy!?! Fuck…

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  165. Ranking is age dependent.

    Ugh. The other day, entirely by chance, I saw a girl on Facebook who was a stunner in high school. Not a short shelf-life blondie either. An alabaster skin, raven-haired beauty with hypnotic blue eyes and high class style. Today, 20 years later?

    While some of my girl-classmates are still hot, this one is not. Sallow-faced, dull-eyed, sunken-cheeked, wrinkles around the eyes, the radiance gone… as someone once wrote here, only a bitter nerd rejoices in the tragedy of female ageing.

    I know that lots of people are pointing to rising obesity as skewing the distribution left,

    My heartbreaking comparison is between the lower-class white women I remember from my teens (1980s) and their “daughters” today. (Upper middle class young women always were, and always will be, hot, at a contant high rate).

    Back then, the girls you’d see working low-end food service or while visiting a prole neighborhood, were hot, if not gaudy in style. Today, they’re all Faaaaaaat.

    but I will be damned if I don’t see the distribution moving heavily to the right. At least for younger women.

    Could your age be a factor in that you appreciate the young girls that you took for granted as a younger guy?

    I am not sure what exactly is causing this but I wouldn’t rule out environmental estrogens.

    Possibly, who knows? Although it’s out of my area of expertise, but feminine hornmones aren’t responsible only for “good” female qualities like hotness. I’d guess an excess of femme-juice in the bloodstream can create undesireable “brood saw” qualities as well.

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  166. Damn Roissy,

    You’re like the father I never had.

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  167. PA,

    Why not rejoice over a woman aging? I require entertainment..

    I stopped seeing many groups as human years ago. As I have always said, you cannot expect what you do not give.

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  168. Collin Braun

    That’s what Roissy calls a “7″! I’ve been taking advice from this guy!?!

    rly. i’m annoyed he’s actually a shade lighter than Obsidian – yet has the cojones to give him advice on how to raise the blacks up from under the oppressive finger of The Man

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  169. its nice to see that chicy fuckface, that lying dumb hag, is back to try to spread her bullshit once again.

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  170. Pupu wonders whether Roissy was sunburnt in the picture.

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  171. Firepower wonders if
    The Gauguin Tan
    earned from far flung
    palmed island shores
    unsettles pupu
    too

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  172. If nothing else this calls into question Roissy’s critique of Internet dating. I have slept with many 21-25 year olds as hot or hotter than the girl pictured solely through dating sites, and can’t get comparable girls through other avenues like cold approaches etc.

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  173. El Chief:

    Then the age difference to aim for is 5-8 years. A marriage with a 9+ year age difference is also very likely to end.

    The biggest age difference between me and any girl I have dated was 16 years. It didn’t go anywhere (and I didn’t think it would), but it does go to show you that such things are possible.

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  174. From el Chief’s BBC link:

    The researchers studied interviews of more than 1,500 couples who were married or in a serious relationship.

    Five years later, they followed up 1,000 of the couples to see which had lasted.

    For better or worse

    They found that if the wife was five or more years older than her husband, they were more than three times as likely to divorce than if they were the same age.

    If the age gap is reversed, and the man is older than the woman, the odds of marital bliss are higher.

    3x as often ain’t chump change.

    As well if it’s 3x as often compared to same age it would probably be something like 5x as often compared to couples in which the man is 5 or more years older than the girl.

    Girl in her mid 20s, guy 10 years older with career success and some (or a lot of) game is the total sweet spot.

    I personally think that men on professional careers, using that term broadly, shouldn’t consider marrying until they had some real success there AND they’ve again had some time to sample lots of girls, like they hopefully did in college. Guys tend to get more and more attractive to girls in their mid twenties, particularly marriage minded girls, as they get late into their twenties and then into their early and mid thirties.

    If you’re the type of guy that doesn’t like to or isn’t good at dating around but instead wants to and does have a steady gf or two in your mid and late twenties, just keep putting off marrying her. What’s the downside? You’ll find someone hotter and better and younger later.

    Don’t marry in you twenties guys. Period.

    Oh middle and lower betas who aren’t getting anything at all by this route. Learn some game and meanwhile date thinnish prettyish cougars.

    As for betas who are having a hard time getting

    This is not the thug

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  175. I got to stop forgetting about the stuff I was gonna delete at the bottom.

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  176. Thursday

    @El Chief: Then the age difference to aim for is 5-8 years. A marriage with a 9+ year age difference is also very likely to end.

    Says who? It’s getting north of 13-15 years that starts to get dicey.

    The hallowed maxim “half your age plus 7” tells 36yo guys that they should marry 25yo girls. (with a prenup.)

    Perfect.

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  177. A marriage with a 9+ year age difference is also very likely to end.

    Yeah, so plunder her box as many times as you can before it does!

    Then kick her ass out, and go to the Bangkok bar where you found her and get another one. =)

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  178. Thursday–

    The main problem with dating a girl more than 5 years younger is the current American culture, in the form of her girlfriends most of all. Guys will of course also try to use it as a wedge but that will be transparent and really only get weight when echoed by her girlfriends.

    So impressing her friends is something you very much need to do. And or work on replacing the most troublesome ones. I speak from experience.

    Doing young things helps. But so does doing older things that she can enjoy. It’s like dating a girl from a different culture. Yeah you want to enjoy and participate in her culture, and maybe/likely induce her to want to explore it in some ways more than she otherwise would, but at the same time you want to bring her into fun parts of your own. Cultural things perhaps. Or things that take a bit more dosh to do. Having some success helps a lot too. Not just in itself but in being a ready usually unspoken reason her friends can readily appreciate as well.

    But your being cool is most important of all. Game.

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  179. “No he can’t, are you dumb? ” (in reference to telling who has downloaded pics)

    I haven’t really considered myself dumb and your comment doesn’t make me consider it now. I can tell which IP’s download my blog pictures and which pictures they download and no it’s not every reader who opens a page who shows up as a downloader.

    As to cutting and pasting it into Paint no idea, it hadn’t occurred to me.

    For the record I did not download this picture. Just sayin…

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  180. “if its 1 out of 1000 in the ENTIRE POPULATION of women, including grandmas, etc. then yes, its plausible. on the college campus it will be very different”

    this is why, in reality, we have to do hotness scales for women according to age. for 20 year olds, there are probably 20 10s in a population of 1000. in a group of 25 year olds there are maybe 5 in 1000. for 40 year olds, there are maybe 1 in 10,000, *maybe*, and most of those live in Beverly Hills or Miami Beach.

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  181. The article is not making excuses for why she is single, its expressing regret. How she looks now is irrelevant. She turned down a marriage proposal. She’s basically saying that feminism is bunk because it flys in the face of bioligical reality.

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  182. sure you dl’d it. we dont care if you fap to acidwash jeans, anti-matter physiognomy and a wifebeater.

    otoh, i did dl it to send to an old friend, to tell him there’s still hope, yearning to break free in the form of youthful, enveloping, welcoming fuckable 20 year old titties

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  183. Guys basically the worst thing you can do is marry (even with a prenup) before you’re ready to get married.

    The justification that you’ll maybe lose the girl of your dreams that way is utter horseplop.

    First of all if it isn’t already totally clear to you that she’s totally the girl of your dreams, IT ISN’T GOING TO GET BETTER WITH AGE period. She’ll age but so will the attraction. It doesn’t have to disappear but it isn’t going to get crazier. Just won’t happen. Not beyond whatever happens in the first year together.

    You WILL be able to get an objectively hotter and altogether better girl as you age into your thirties, unless your life is on a downward spiral, in which case you would have gotten divorced and taken to whatever cleaners you could pay for anyway.

    No there ISN’T only one person for everyone.

    There is some truth for most people I think, men as well as women, that their first true deep love is their strongest one. This isn’t as true if the first one was really messed up or seriously deluded, etc. However there’s a whole lot of danger for men in being head over heals in love. It’s very important that she be more in love for reasons that Dave from Hawaii makes clear, and it’s hard to maintain state control when you’ve gone totally bonkers.

    As well you’re not not go be so totally hopelessly in love in your thirties anyway, whether you convinced your true love in your twenties to say with you by marrying her, or you let her go. You can however fall deeply in love again, and that’s just wonderful. Deeply in love to a hotter, younger and altogether better girl that you meet when in your thirties.

    It’s the way to go gen Y guys.

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  184. “Firepower wonders if
    The Gauguin Tan
    earned from far flung
    palmed island shores
    unsettles pupu
    too”

    Not really

    The Gauguin tan
    is smooth and even
    on nudes

    Roissy needs to wear
    sunscreen
    all over

    – Pupu

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  185. on October 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea of course when your established there will be millions of woman to love and the money and time to travel and love them all. Might be good to actually pick them up at weak inflection points though because how can you really be sure it is love when all woman are basically gonna be there for you in whatever capacity you want.

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  186. 9+ age difference doubles your chance of divorce:
    http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/opposites-more-likely-to-divorce-study-20090713-dihh.html

    The main problem with dating a girl more than 5 years younger is the current American culture, in the form of her girlfriends most of all.

    I’m doubtful this is much of a factor once you’ve gotten married.

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  187. As fedrz said on the older women marrying younger men thread:

    Don’t let women con you into thinking getting older as a man is as bad for men as it is for women. They are just green with envy, that’s all.

    Quite honestly, I like 40′ish a lot more than 20′ish. You come into “your own” at this age. This age is YOUR REWARD for all the crap you had to put up with as a younger man.

    His whole long comment over there, but after the thread was mostly dead, is very good, and very instructive for 20 something guys:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-beta-crisis-of-american-men-marrying-older-women/#comment-139763

    I’d add: the main thing wrong with being a 40ish man is having a 40ish wife. So don’t. The cost effective way of don’t is not marrying woman your own age, not to mention *shudder* older than you.

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  188. Ideal for marriage: 8-12 year difference and even 15+ in exceptional cases, good personality match, guy stays in shape and energetic, girl doesn’t have prior love/baggage.

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  189. Getting married in the first place increases your chances of divorce infinitely.

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  190. Which sane man wants to marry?

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  191. TMS –

    “How she looks now is irrelevant.”

    Untrue. Again, if she were good looking, she’d be beating the men off of her, high-powered career or not. That she turned down a marriage proposal from some dumpster diver back in the day doesn’t prove that feminism led her astray.

    If she gave up her career and idealism today she’s still be having major problems attracting a man.

    Chrissakes, look at that picture:

    And this quote betrays her cognitive dissonance:

    “I thought: ‘This is it! I’m going to have it all – success, power – and men are going to adore me for it.'”

    The mantra of feminism does not include the proviso that men will adore you for your righteous grrlpower. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    The irony of an ugly woman blaming feminism for her inability to find a man is apparently lost on her. Without feminism, she’d not only be mateless, but she’d likely also be poor and destitute.

    She should look into contingency lesbianism.

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  192. Doug1

    Right you are, and indeed, epic commentary by fedrz.

    A friendly female acquaintance once told me in no uncertain terms that my turning 30 would automatically close the door on girls 18-21 for me. That absolutely hasn’t happened whatsoever and in hindsight, illustrated her jealous projection at approaching 28 years of age.

    This is what makes Roissy’s “Stop listening to… they don’t have your best interest at heart” so important. Even people you assume to be on your side and in your corner can underestimate and undermine you, if only unconsciously.

    Should a man marry, the most important reason to take a much younger bride is that when the fabled mid-life crisis comes, he’s actually slidingout of middle age.

    This is because the male mid-life crisis actually has nothing to do with the man and everything to do with the wife. Namely her cratering fertility and commensurately waning looks.

    A man who’s 55 when his 40 year old wife is finally hitting the wall hard will be a lot better-situated than a man who’s 40 and enduring the same thing.

    A 40 year old man who has increased his stature, resources, and maintained a healthy cardiovascular system and physique will be able to attract women still in the prime of fertility. Being shackled to the cruel onslaught of time (and kids) ravaging his same-aged wife’s beauty will lead to monumental soul-kill, and ultimately, infidelity.

    I recommend to women who wish not to befall this fate the following husband-retention regime:

    1. Don’t get fucking fat.
    2. Consider satiating his lust for polygyny through swinging, that way his inevitable tomcatting is done on terms more acceptable to you.
    3. Don’t wear short hair. This is the domain of old women (and teenage post-abortion grrlpower epiphanies) and there’s plenty of time when 50+ to decommission your femininity.

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  193. Commenting on blogs is beta, but I’m willing to voice my full assent to Roissy’s last paragraph here. Words can’t describe the truth residing herein.

    I came at game as a guy low-ranking political blogger interested in that angle. As a guy interested in political thought most of what I pursue has to do with developing and framing explanations of the world and historical change that other people will buy into. When it comes to game, which turns out to be more important, I was shocked at how fully I can abandon the effort to give my words and actions explicit intellectual sense. Before I thought the world was made up of brains talking to each other; now I’m struck by the extent to which it’s actually cock and vagina talking to each other at a level brains can hit only indirectly.

    Just forget about doing things that people will say makes sense, or won’t throw up a fuss about, and game the shit out of everyone and everything. It’s quite liberating.

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  194. roissy,

    Did Gary Condit take that picture of you and Chandra after you guys Eiffel Tower’d her?

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  195. dud the furniture is 90s circa dorm reception shit

    go to CB2 or Crate and drop $1000

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  196. on October 26, 2009 at 5:53 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Evan McLaren:

    Commenting on blogs is beta

    No it isn’t. You’ve got a lot to learn, dude.

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  197. David “tranny loving” Alexander
    For what it’s worth, I’d argue Lemmonex and KassyK are far closer to a 7 than this girl.

    This is a 7:

    This girl is far better looking, and I’d argue that’s what your game should be reaping as a benefit.

    ———

    Is this a fucking joke? The blonde in this picture is at best a 4.

    No wonder you are into Trannys, David Alexander, as your taste in women is fucking awful if this is anything to go by.

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  198. where would you rate her physical appearance, compared to others you’ve been with? better than most, worse than most?

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  199. Roissy’s girl (or ex-girl) has a near-perfect face. I suppose sticklers might say that the line from cheekbone to jaw doesn’t taper as much as the feminine ideal demands. But really, that’s a minor point. The other quibbles raised by men here are matters of personal taste: some don’t like dark hair; others prefer tanned skin; others prefer a more openly sexual look. Etcetera.

    What seems odd to me is that the preferences men are announcing here are so different from the ones that they held when I was this girl’s age. Many of the men here seem to prefer artifice. But when I was 21 in the early 80s, young men had a *very* strong preference for a natural or pseudo-natural look: minimal makeup; real tan if any at all (fake tans were almost unknown then); a cute rather than sultry expression. The girls who won the most male attention when I was in “college” were all pretty in a wholesome, unassuming fashion, even if they were true beauties in terms of facial symmetry and harmony.

    Perhaps this goes to show that even if beauty is rankable, sex appeal is highly influenced by personal taste.

    [editor: clio, most of these internet nerdlings who claim this girl is a 4 or 5 are playing the tired game of keyboard jockey uberstandards poseur. most of them would cream their pants if this girl so much as batted an eyelash at them. thought experiment: assume for a minute that jessica alba wasn’t famous. i bet if i put non-famous alba’s pic up here the usual basement masturbatory gollums would rank her “a 5 at best”. exercise a bit of judgment when listening to spergy nerdboys claim standards that would make byron blush with envy.]

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  200. Modernity – the post-WWI world, really, but the post-60s world all the more – has amazing knowledge and awful taste. Very light make-up is extremely superior. This girl is highly desirable – pretty, beautiful, not cold-beautiful. She looks warmer than room temperature, and chaste. Her wide jaw is actually nice. Beautiful faces being highly average in their measurements, one or two non-ideal traits impart character and charm. You won’t mistake her in the dark for some other good looking girl.

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  201. She should come live with me, not the caddish if brilliant Roissy!

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  202. I am still in shock about DA’s blonde.

    I must be spoilt down here with the quality of Kiwi women. His “7” blonde would be an average run of the mill chick you could meet any Friday night at the local grog hole.

    [editor: his pic of the blonde has got bad skin and premature wrinkling. nevertheless, i’d rate her a 6.5, maybe a 7. DA is of course furiously backpedaling on offering proof of what he finds attractive in women, because he knows that ever since he posted those links during the early days of this blog to women he said he found attractive but who were, in reality, some of the ugliest lantern-jawed tranny looking porn trash you will ever see, he’s been rightfully pegged as a weirdo sexual fetishist loner loserboy shut-in whose freak tastes say nothing about what most men find attractive in women. so everyone should take his opinion on women’s looks with a heaping helping of rock salt.]

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  203. Huh, Roissy, so that’s the explanation about DA.
    I still think 6.5-7 is a wee bit high for the blonde – but hey, I guess there has to be some leeway in tastes amongst us blokes.

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  204. most of them would cream their pants if this girl so much as batted an eyelash at them

    She looks exactly like my brother’s friend. She couldn’t stir up attraction if her life depended on it.

    i bet if i put non-famous alba’s pic up here the usual basement masturbatory gollums would rank her “a 5 at best”

    Jessica Alba is pretty, so I certainly couldn’t rank her as a “5”. She’s an 8.

    some of the ugliest lantern-jawed tranny looking porn trash you will ever see

    Those women were far better looking and more sexual than your dumpy ex-girlfriend.

    [editor: heh. sounds like i got under your skin, loserboy. truth sting?

    too easy.

    ps no man with a lick of sense takes your opinion seriously. your opinion exits into a void.]

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  205. You see, if we are talking blondes, this is what I would rate as somewhere between 7-8’s.
    http://www.fotosearch.com/IMR285/ie112-018/

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  206. np: ladyfingers

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  207. She’s a 6 – 6.5 tops. nothing to be ashamed about at all, but that should really be the entry point for a guy w/ game. I’m pretty new to all this and have a way to go, definitely, but my regular fuck buddies are at least as hot as her and I kind of put you on a pedestal, thinking you wouldn’t even waste time boning a chick lower than an 8…

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  208. “so i asked: why would my being honest on this blog about her rank hurt her”

    My assumption is that it wouldn’t, because she’s not likely to read this blog (part of the criteria of posting her picture). My guess is she’s foreign, probably Eastern European. My first guess might be Polish but anything in a two country radius northeast to south wouldn’t surprise me.

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  209. Anybody watched some of Pedro Almodovar’s movies? In Broken Embrace, the movie opens with the lead character, a man who looks to be in his 50s having sex with a gorgeous blonde in her late 20s that he has just met. In most of his pairings, the man is significantly older than the actress.

    I realize that these are just movies, but the first scene of Broken Embrace for example would be unthinkable in an American movie. It is so far removed from the reality of American men that it would just not be part of the script. European and non N American culture is MUCH LESS hung up about the age of man versus woman.

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  210. Roissy’s ex-girl doesn’t do anything for me. She looks fluffy and insubstantial, pale and bony. That said, I guess she would earn a 7 on an objective scale for her cuteness and thinness.

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  211. Eastern? She looks very western to me, probably ethnically brit for the most part.

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  212. That is a very alpha posture, nice!

    About ranking beauty, I was thinking it would be interesting to compare girls when they look their absolute best possible. Like, best haircut, long or flattering hair length, hair color, eyebrow shape, skin perfectly smooth and glowing, eye-make up to make their eyes pop, lip gloss so they have shiny pouty lips, blush so they look the right amount of flush, best outfit, etc.

    In the southern US along with other parts of the world (South American beauty contestants, Europe, etc.), I noticed many, many girls take care to look their very best. It was interesting to see how the true beauties would start to stand out when all girls around had pretty hair, nice make-up, femmy clothing, sweet smiley expressions, etc.

    Hey, even look at Russian matchmaking sites lol. All of the girls are attractive, but some are amazing stunners like wowzaaaa. I bet some that are just attractive would be average if they weren’t so femmily dressed and made up.

    I think the girl is pretty but I don’t get how anyone could really rank her. The pic. is vague. I initially thought 6-7, but I guess she could be an 8… hm… expression and overall “vibe” does a lot! Cool 🙂 I hope Roissy didn’t break this sweet girl’s heart too much…

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  213. Aaah! My comment is all bold! Sorry! Ooops I made boo-boo

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  214. Dreamer–

    If more older men openly showed their interest in younger women, you’d definitely see more pairings of 20 somethings and 35+ to 40 somethings. Perhaps Phillips dated her for accessibility. Not everyone has Roissy’s gaming power. I imagine for most men, it’s difficult to approach a woman who’s much younger, and for younger women, it’s difficult to conceive of being w/ someone older unless they’ve personally seen the effects (like younger mother older father, or close friend/relative dating an older man).

    You intrigue the hell out of me.

    Reveal more.

    At least a little more about yourself.

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  215. exercise a bit of judgment when listening to spergy nerdboys claim standards that would make byron blush with envy.

    If I’m remembering correctly, Byron was famous for sharing his contemporary Stendhal’s belief that beautiful women are for men with no imagination…

    Still, that’s taking you too literally! Your girl/ex-girl is very pretty, and what’s more, she looks like the kind of girl I could have been friends with back when I was her age. That’s saying a lot, in fact, because I had a hard time trusting other girls when I was one myself. But this one looks open-hearted and trustworthy. As one of your other commentators said here, I hope she didn’t suffer much at your hands.

    p.s. I still think my earlier point stands: what men find “sexy” is highly variable and relies on quirks of personal taste. But I do get that some of your readers (and critics) will pretend to claim high standards of beauty as a mark of their own status.

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  216. Thursday-

    9+ age difference doubles your chance of divorce:

    I’d bet 1) that in that Australian study (half the divorce rate we have) that the emphasis is heavily on the “+”, i.e. on age gaps much more than 9 years; 2) we know that 5-10 years older male gap lessens the chances of divorce from US studies and that Australian one; 3) I’d bet it plateaus in the 9-12 year range; 3) when the guy is 10 or more years older he has to have an elevated sex drive to make it work. (He probably does have at least somewhat elevated status/money or it wouldn’t have happened.)

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  217. internet nerdlings who claim this girl is a 4 or 5 are playing the tired game of keyboard jockey uberstandards poseur. most of them would cream their pants if this girl so much as batted an eyelash at them.>>

    true dat.

    Jesus, people are acting like they are ranking earthquakes.

    I would think that for most men above the age of thirty, dating a girl below 25 would have an air of novelty (along with good skin and other firm areas) that would add a few points to their scale.

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  218. on October 26, 2009 at 10:33 pm Conservative Cock

    I’d love to have a threesome with that curly-haired chick, FeministX, and David Alexander’s mom. His mom can give me head without her dentures, of course!

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  219. on October 26, 2009 at 10:33 pm Conservative Cock

    That would be a foursome, excuse me.

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  220. and again, the thing about this is, as far as I could make out, this is not R bragging about teh OMFG hottest girl he ever number closed, but about dating someone 15 years younger than you.

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  221. I hate to geek up the joint, but the whole 1-10 thing is a complete waste of time since different people do not use it identically. I would give roissy’s girl the 97.5th percentile (for non-obese caucasians of her age). The bod, not visible, doesn’t matter much to me except for the hourglass, and legs being OK vs too short. I am very pretty/cute-biased, and biased against sexy. (Though even I admit that extremely cutesy is just annoying.) Whoever was mentioned upthread, Belucci and J Alba, are not that hot to me, honest to god. I give them both 87th percentile. I suppose it may be partly because they are always photographed with excessive makeup. They are “well-formed” but not really pretty. To me, charmless. There are so many no-so-striking girls I’d rather get with that I’m sure most of you would scoff at.

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  222. on October 26, 2009 at 10:40 pm Conservative Cock

    She looks Italian. Roissy loves Mediterranean girls.

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  223. on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 pm unlearning genius

    @clio,
    Happened to swing by your blog. For a woman in her early 50s, your writing is surprisingly mediocre (this is also evidenced in your posts here). Instead of neat abstractions and deep inferences, you keep referring to anecdotal occurrences to draw sweeping generalizations. Perhaps fiction is more your cup of tea?

    @Roissy,
    “most of them would cream their pants if this girl so much as batted an eyelash at them.”
    Lucky them…. I have lost the ability to cream in my pants .. I would very much like to re-experience creaming in my pants.

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  224. on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 pm Conservative Cock

    Half Sigma writes like a beta.

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  225. @askjoe

    Jesus, people are acting like they are ranking earthquakes.

    LOL

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  226. on October 26, 2009 at 10:47 pm Conservative Cock

    Betas can be among the most critical of a woman’s looks. That’s why Tyler Durden discourages his instructors from posting pics or videos of their conquests. He says no matter how attractive the women, there will be vocal critics. Every time.

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  227. Any female beauty 1-10 scale which doesn’t make a 10 sufficiently attainable such that 10’s of thousands of women, no make that 100 of thousands of women out of 6 billion, a 10, is a joke. It’s only pretending to be a 10 scale system.

    I repeat, if not only Monica Bellucci in her prime (but hell still a MAJOR hottie), but also Adriana Lima and Victoria
    Silversted aren’t 10s in your book, they you’re a joke. Real mean appreciate the beauty of real women, not just cartoon characters of their imagination. Oh and 10s, no really 100s of thousands but at least 10s of thousands of other women who are similarly beautiful, just not as officially and widely recognized – so so well made up and photographed.

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  228. unlearning genius, I’m not in my 50s. And my speciality has not generally been the writing of fiction. I wish.

    My blog was never intended to be a forum for argument, my own or anyone else’s. It was set up as a place for me to talk about the things that I like, in the hope of finding others who shared my tastes, as you would know if you had been reading it for any lenth of time.

    I am sorry to read that my mediocrity has disappointed you, especially considering your own purity of language and clarity of structure.

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  229. p.s. That’s “length”. No doubt another example of my intellectual mediocrity in comparison to you, ug.

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  230. @mindfuck:
    LOL.

    clio:
    If I’m remembering correctly, Byron was famous for sharing his contemporary Stendhal’s belief that beautiful women are for men with no imagination…

    ha! well, byron was a closet case.
    my version of that quote goes like this:
    beautiful women are for men who don’t need to imagine a paper bag over their women.

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  231. “byron was a closet case”: not that closeted, even in his own time. He needed female support and approval, but he fell in love more deeply with men, or rather boys, as far as I can tell from his various biographers.

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  232. I really like that last paragraph. Truer stuff has never been written. I’d write those down, memorize it, repeat it and burn them into my brain.

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  233. Stendhal said famously that beauty was the promise of happiness. He was also a womanizer and early anti-romantic realist. I’m kind of surprised he would say the above quote. Maybe he meant it as just a witticism. You might be interested in his “On love,” Roissy. I haven’t read it but I enjoyed his nonfiction more than his more-hailed “Chartreuse de Parma.” Mencken wrote a book on women which I also haven’t read. He was a hard ass old school rightist and realist, hilarious and witheringly mocking. I think the below free mp3 of his aphoristic “Damn! A book of calumny” is totally stellar. It contains a little bit of interesting battle of the sexes evo psych stuff, like women sort of wanting men who are at least theoretically capable of going behind their back with another woman. (Because they want their sons to do so; they want their sons to be alpha. For the same reason, they rarely want a man who is not sexually forward.)

    http://librivox.org/damn-a-book-of-calumny-by-hl-mencken/

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  234. Taking away that concluding sentence, that is … the rest of the paragraph stands amazingly well by itself.

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  235. By the way, the first 3.5 minutes of “Book of calumny” is hilarious, so whoever doesn’t like that much won’t like any of it.

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  236. She might be Mediterranean, Greek possibly. But, it is more likely that she is Jewish.

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  237. Yeah she definitely looks of Mediterranean origin originally. Which could of course mean she’s an Argentinian or a Venezuelan or an Italian.

    She looks quite a bit like mine in fact, who’s central Italian.

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  238. Yeah she definitely looks of Mediterranean origin originally.

    turkish.

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  239. We need standardization of the hotness (SVM) scale 😉

    What I suggest is that people aren’t really interested in fine distinctions when it comes to below average, fine distinctions are really only important for above average.

    So let me suggest just two ranks for below average, one for average and then 6 more ranks for above average (applying 1/2 points) for finer distinctions

    5 or less: Plain (Unfuckable)
    6 : Fair
    7 : Cute (Base-line average)
    7.5 : Very Cute
    8 : Pretty
    8.5 : Very Pretty
    9 : Hot
    9.5 : Very Hot
    10 : Smoking Hot (Perfect)

    I give the girl in the picture a 7.5. (allow +/- .5 variation for subjective taste and inaccuracies in photos).

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  240. on October 27, 2009 at 12:42 am unlearning genius

    @aliasclio

    “But when I was 21 in the early 80s, “… that gives an approximate age in the early to mid 50s (?).

    “p.s. That’s “length”. No doubt another example of my intellectual mediocrity in comparison to you, ug.”
    Don’t take too well to criticism, I see. Too easily and quickly ruffled. The only reason I got curious to see your blog was that people here seemed somewhat reverent to you. But you are right, It was none of my business … I retreat.

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  241. Check that math, dog.

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  242. on October 27, 2009 at 12:51 am unlearning genius

    haha, ok that’s late 40s. Dont harp on the details. .. late 40s and early 50s is still the same thing … But in any case, like i already said .. . case closed! I

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  243. how about this, mathboy, add a point for every 5 years younger than you the chick is…except for the obvious Polanski perv factor.

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  244. oh wait, but for that youth corollary, you have to start at a baseline 6.

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  245. Roissy–

    turkish.

    Definitely cool.

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  246. [editor: your premise is false, then. most women dating older men are not battling low self esteem, daddy issues, or past abuse. but nice try, bittergirl.]

    I didn’t say simply older, I implied much older (think 15 years+).

    The fact is, most women are battling these issues by and large… even moreso in the population of women dating men who could be their father’s age. If you have a way to disprove this, please be my guest. I’m happy to learn something new.

    Also, nice unwarranted attack. You called me bitter and a girl, both of which you have no way of proving. 😉 Perhaps you are projecting?

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  247. unlearning g., you ought to see a shrink to do something about this habit of projection of yours.

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  248. unlearning genius–

    Don’t be a total asshole.

    Clio is respected, yes hear that respected, for very good reason.

    She really isn’t just my thing, but for Catholic boys raised to respect the Madonna, but also as a rare subset, the brainy, culturally erudite and precisely articulate but kind, wanting a man but so hard to find a good enough one, ideal, AliasClio works for several/many in the RoissySphere.

    She’s too old to be ideal, but so right in other ways, that, well, she rocks for these guys. Which I can respect. A lot.

    Are you beginning to get it?

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  249. Oh and she’s also a hottie, physically. Still. Sorry.

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  250. And engaged. Case you didn’t know.

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  251. on October 27, 2009 at 1:41 am unlearning genius

    @Doug1,
    you adore her man.. I am touched. I already let it go. See i ignored her quip and let her have the last word.

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  252. on October 27, 2009 at 1:44 am unlearning genius

    @Doug1,
    “And engaged. Case you didn’t know.”

    Shiiiiit, this does change everything now, it really does. But being a complete omega lacking in looks, money and that oh so important “psycho-sexual dominance” … what was I thinking?

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  253. on October 27, 2009 at 3:58 am not my usual name

    I am pushing sixty – which in my case does not mean I push a walker around but instead means I climb smaller mountains, surf smaller waves, and sail to only nearby tropical islands.

    I do OK. Of course it helps that the girls around here are frequently on vacation far from their home grounds.

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  254. Turkish, eh?

    So, we have a kaffir fornicating with a Muslim girl? Unless she’s from the 1% of the population allowed to not self-identify as Muslim, you’re gonna make some enemies among your Muslim readers.

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  255. The body of the man in that pic looks just like the body of the man in the famous video “1 guy 1 cup”. Could it be..?

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  256. […] in DC Two Beautiful Black Women October 26, 2009Doubting Betas October 25, 2009Trippy Link Of The Day October 25, 2009Cornered! October 23, 2009Why Do Some Men […]

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  257. Betas can be among the most critical of a woman’s looks

    true

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  258. He says no matter how attractive the women, there will be vocal critics.

    Some good looking women, esp. in the 7-8 range, don’t photograph well.

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  259. on October 27, 2009 at 8:08 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    These comments make me want to rant sometimes. This is one of those times.

    OK. Since all of you fuckers know exactly what I look like, and know exactly what my woman looks like, I’m going to weigh in here. Just so that you can’t attribute all numbers below 8 to “shut-in internet nerdling”ness.
    Some people are clearly posturing, but not necessarily all of them.

    There are two things that are almost invariably overlooked in these inane debates:
    (1) Some people’s rankings are heavily skewed according to factors such as ethnicity.
    (2) “Pretty” and “sexy” are not the same thing, and they have different weights on different people’s scales.

    Regarding #1, the Roissy girl has an extremely strong Caucasus/Near/Middle Eastern look. As much as I hate to tell you guys, some men, like me, just aren’t into that look.

    Regarding #2, it’s quite possible to be extremely sexy without being all that classically pretty (like Marilyn Monroe),** and it’s also quite possible to be classically perfect without exuding much sexuality (like, say, Alexandra Ambrosio).
    Roissy’s girl is much closer to the latter of these. So much, in fact, that the commentariat has made a point of declaring just how fresh-faced and sweet-looking (read: “doesn’t look sexual”) she is.
    So, if a man likes a more raw sexual look to his women, then maybe he’s not downgrading the rankings after all.

    So, for someone who is the perfect storm of these categories, the seemingly deflated rankings aren’t deflated at all.
    I’m not a big fan of the Caucasus look, and I’m a neanderthal who likes raw sexuality. So in my book she’s like a 6.5 or a 7.

    But (gasp) I can totally understand how she might rank as high as 9 with other commenters.
    Am I the only person on this whole fucking site who realizes that this is NOT A CONTRADICTION? That we could hold these opinions simultaneously, and that we could both be correct?

    Think, McFuckers.

    Anyone ranking her lower than I do is clearly posing, since, again, I pretty much select against every single one of her characteristics (except for the true universals, such as “not fat”).

    But, as far as quibbling over a point or two, a lot of people really need to shut the fuck up and stop being so solipsistic. It is PERFECTLY reasonable for there to be a 2-3 point spread between ratings of the same girl.
    It is perfectly reasonable if my 5 is your 7.5, or my 7 is your 9.5, or vice versa for either.
    Because …
    … wait for it …
    NOT EVERYONE LIKES EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

    Why the fuck is this so hard to understand? Why the fuck are people too autistic to realize that a girl’s 0-10 ranking will vary moderately among men?

    [editor: define moderately.]

    We see whole posts on how Black men looooooooovvvveee body types that White and Asian men would balk at, and vice versa. Vive la différence, right? And then you autistic fuckers turn around and pretend that you can nail a rating down to a single number.

    [as i’ve written before, leaving aside a few weirdo fetish outliers like DA, the vast majority of men pretty much well agree on what constitutes a hot babe. the differences in opinion are relatively minor (i.e. 0.5 -1 point and nebulous assertions of “sexuality”) or can be chalked up to sour grapes. the science, btw, is fairly conclusive on this.]

    Why not 2 significant decimal places? Why not start a 300-post fight over whether she’s a 7.65 or a 7.67?

    I just love the way people argue here sometimes. It’s entertaining.
    Premise: There are universal markers of beauty. (Obviously true.)
    Conclusion: EVERYONE has to rank girls within 0.5 point of MY ranking, or they’re insane.

    That is all.

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  260. Dave Alexander says,

    “Jessica Alba is pretty, so I certainly couldn’t rank her as a “5″. She’s an 8.”

    Jesus fucking christ. Can you ban this insufferable troll?

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  261. on October 27, 2009 at 8:12 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    ah, wait, the footnote

    ** There’s a reason why you basically never see pictures of Marilyn Monroe without heavy-ass whore makeup (note that “whore makeup” doesn’t have a negative connotation).

    Hint: “but… but… she was known for that look! is the wrong reason.

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  262. I like the non-made-up Marylin Monroe better. Hints of Ursula Andress and foreshadowing of Scarlett Johanssen.

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  263. I once wrote that Irene Jacob as seen in “The Double Life of Veronique” and “Red” is among the top 5 most beautiful women that ever lived.

    Just googled images of Ursula A., and on the basis of her photos from her prime, she has a lock on the top 1 or 2 beauties of all time.

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  264. on October 27, 2009 at 9:48 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””unlearning genius
    @clio,
    Happened to swing by your blog. For a woman in her early 50s, your writing is surprisingly mediocre (this is also evidenced in your posts here). Instead of neat abstractions and deep inferences, you keep referring to anecdotal occurrences to draw sweeping generalizations. Perhaps fiction is more your cup of tea?
    ”””””””’

    The neg heard round the world.

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  265. Phillips looks like an old man. You don’t. And I’ll give you credit for having better “game” as well. Phillips has been married a long time and doesn’t know how to go into a night club and pick up women.

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  266. Guys, you’re missing the big issue here. Of course our rankings of appearance are different. However, we need to judge how the common man looks at things.

    From a game point of view the important question is “how has this woman being treated in her life?” Does she get hit on every 5 minutes? If that’s the case then a very cool attitude is called for. A little teasing would be fun for her.

    However, if she hasn’t been treated like that then a different approach is called for.

    How do folks think this should be judged?

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  267. Roissy,

    Seriously nuke this picture.

    This photo sends a very bad message. I am not saying you need a million $ condo or gucci clothes….but the totality of fails in this photo undercut your CREDIBILITY massively…..no male wants to aspire to this…that Gym serial killer’s apt. was even better than this…

    -kmart tank top
    -knock off designer jeans
    -dorm white walls
    -garage sale couch, random ottoman
    -remnant carpets
    -townhouse/apt in crappy DC area
    -zero muscle tone
    -gut, fat legs, girl hands

    Sorry dude you need a makeover bad….

    I realize your not a banker….but even an artist or ind. film guy would have something up on the walls…a vintage couch….and better clothes.

    Lastly, the girl is nothing to brag about. Standard TGIF pick-up….with 80s perm

    Epic fail this

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  268. Shes a cutie for sure, and id date her, but shes a 7 at best. Tops. Maybe a tiny bit less.

    Quite respectable, I dont get what everyone is getting on roissys back for – Im sure Roissy occasionally gets hotter chics, but he himself says there are limits to game. Top tier game practitioners without wealth, status, or marked good looks are batting in the 6-8 range – the territory of the girl in this picture, and that:s perfectly respectable. There are limits to game.

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  269. According to Mr. M and Braddock from Lovesystems, anyone who tells you they are scoring 9s and 10s on a regular basis off of cold approaches is lying. You may get one or two a year, but rarely more. To regularly score those superhotties, you need access. That usually means you need wealth or fame.

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  270. Roissy’s girl is in the 7-8 range.

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  271. Thanks for the defense, Doug1.

    Context of my dispute with unlearning genius: some time last week, he made a comment to the effect that all loves were replaceable and thus unimportant. (A crude summary; he put it better than that.) In any case, I thought this sounded too wholesale and responded, more sharply than usual, that he must have little experience of life. He took exception to this on the grounds that a) he does TOO have life experience; and b) that my response had a note of intellectual superiority.

    Apparently it still rankles, because he is clearly trying to put me in my place. Quite unnecessarily, because my initial response to him, though curt, certainly wasn’t intentionally condescending. That’s why I’ve suggested that he’s got problems with “projection”: it seems he has a chip on his shoulder about his intelligence (which I never attacked), so imagines that I feel myself to be superior to him. Thus the snub to my argumentative skills as displayed on my blog.

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  272. Good to see ya Joe, still my No. 1 fan.

    no, just a good samaritan. a native born American trying to help an immigrant assimilate into my country by helping him with his english.

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  273. Much appreciated Joe. Don’t be bashful, it’s good to have a fan like you. But aren’t you stealing 5th Horseman’s material here?

    By the way, English is my third language. Out of the four I speak well. How many languages do you speak?

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  274. I’d be careful about inferring anything about the girl’s character from the picture. There are genuinely good girls out there, and she may indeed be one of them, but if you’ve been out in bars you’ll know that one of _the_ most dangerous kind of girl is the bad “good girl.” These girls compassionate, down to earth and easy to get along with one moment and pure evil the next. Beware. They are often found in the teaching or nursing professions.

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  275. silver fox:
    Roissy,

    Seriously nuke this picture.

    This photo sends a very bad message. I am not saying you need a million $ condo or gucci clothes….but the totality of fails in this photo undercut your CREDIBILITY massively…..no male wants to aspire to this…that Gym serial killer’s apt.

    it’s her place.

    -kmart tank top

    you are aware that most chicks find wifebeaters sexy?
    stellaaaaaa!

    -knock off designer jeans

    i don’t even think they were designer jeans.

    -zero muscle tone

    my massive cock compensates.

    -gut

    camera angle.

    Sorry dude you need a makeover bad….

    i think i’ll take her judgment of my presentation over yours.
    no offense, but sweet young pussy is more valuable to me than silver foxholes.

    Lastly, the girl is nothing to brag about. Standard TGIF pick-up….with 80s perm

    the one time i was at a tgif all i saw were pasty white moocows.
    btw her hair is naturally curly.

    Epic fail this

    my heart will go on.

    ps is she your daughter?

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  276. john:
    Quite respectable, I dont get what everyone is getting on roissys back for – Im sure Roissy occasionally gets hotter chics, but he himself says there are limits to game.

    the point of this post was an answer to doubters like half sigma who don’t believe older men can bang much younger cute girls. it wasn’t to showcase the hottest girl i have ever banged like some dbag flexing his muscles for a car full of guidettes.

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  277. “Yeah she definitely looks of Mediterranean origin originally.

    turkish.”

    Have you ever thought of running something like “Our countries are enemies” Game?

    [editor: that’s pretty close to what i did. after i found out where she was from i told her i’m calling it constantinople. then i asked if her burka was in her purse.]

    For instance, a lot of nations hate the Turks for the atrocities of the Ottoman empire. Run Enemy game on a Bulgarian chick. Play one off the other. “But the Turkish girl squirts? What can *you* do?” would be a good line.

    Turks are also hated by Iraqis, Armenians, Lebanese. The possibilities are endless.

    This would especially work for Balkan women. Play a Bosnian against an Albanian. A Serb against a Croat.

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  278. I was once swooping a Tutsi chick and ran Machete Game on her.

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  279. Spell it out for them, R.

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  280. on October 27, 2009 at 1:02 pm gunslingergregi

    allrght pa you can copy my mechette game not like its trademarked or anything.

    [editor: this gunslinger comment was 8 out of 10 whiskey tumblers on the sobriety to shitfaced scale.

    you know i say it with love, gunny.]

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  281. on October 27, 2009 at 1:04 pm gunslingergregi

    works better in an ltr though he he he

    plus its good for a womans cardio.

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  282. on October 27, 2009 at 1:05 pm gunslingergregi

    lol roisy i felt the love

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  283. Pending a few tanning bed sessions, I give her a solid 8. Cute, attractive, no real visible flaws, and I wouldn’t be ashamed to be seen in public with her.

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  284. An 8? Maybe once you age adjust for the 10+ year age difference. I agree with the larger point, she’s young, she’s cute, lesson learned.

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  285. I agree with Roissy.

    Why would anyone believe that a 22 year old girl would not be interested in a 50 year old guy? Mainly because of what women say.

    We’ve all heard women say that they are not interested in older guys.

    But the thing is that women are notoriously unreliable in understanding and describing what they want in a man.

    For one thing, there are a lot of net feminist types who are aging and are pissed off about the double-standard now that it’s working against them. (They never complained about the extra attention they received when they were in their late teens or early 20s).

    These women are trying to fool themselves and others into thinking that aging harms a man’s attractiveness just as much as it does for women.

    Like Roissy says, ignore them.

    Also, women generally make up excuses for why they like or don’t like a man since they either don’t understand what turns them on or don’t want to admit it.

    For example, suppose some hot 20-year-old is hit on clumsily by a 40 year old guy who does everything wrong. He glances at her numerous times as he works his courage up to approach her; he supplicates; and and so on. Of course the girl will be completely turned off. But what will she tell her friends? What will she tell people on the internet?

    Of course she will say something like “ewwwww, a creepy balding middle aged guy tried to hit on my yesterday.”

    People who hear that will assume that she was turned off by the guy’s age. She may even think so herself. But it’s not true. She would have reacted in basically the same way to a 25 year old guy who approached her in the same way.

    As another example, when women fill out their profiles on dating web sites, they never say that they want a guy who is 20 years old than them. But this is the same disconnect between what women say they want and what they actually want. What women will admit publicly and in writing that she is open to dating someone 20 years older than her?

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  286. Stealing 5th Horseman’s material? What, he coaches you on English too? I wasn’t aware.

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  287. so that’s what happened to Chandra Levy.

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  288. No, he’s too busy coaching the GirlGame chicks on Game. And you are busy trying, successfully to your credit, in getting my attention.

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  289. Sorry, but it’s a bit disappointing that Roissy’s girlfriend is cute but not beautiful.

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  290. Ignore “sabril.”

    He’s an annoying little jew shit.

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  291. on October 27, 2009 at 5:07 pm Seeking Alpha

    As opposed to the snippy Dodson

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  292. It’s so cute how you fellow jewboys look out for each other.

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  293. on October 27, 2009 at 5:18 pm Seeking Alpha

    You can tell how confident a man is in an argument or in himself by the insults he uses.

    You can call a guy a fag, a coward, a loser, a failure, a liar, a cheat, a slob, a slacker, or a weakling. These all speak to some deficiency of character and will generally sting if accurately aimed.

    Then you have an Internet tough guy like Dodson who likes to talk tough but is too dumb to do so creatively and too weak and scared to do so in person.

    It’s so cute.

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  294. These all speak to some deficiency of character and will generally sting if accurately aimed.

    Being a jew, especially being an annoying little jew shit, is a deficiency of character.

    Judging by your response, it stings quite a bit.

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  295. I just cut off Dodson’s cock. Don’t worry, he’ll be fine.

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  296. on October 27, 2009 at 5:29 pm Seeking Alpha

    Being a jew, especially being an annoying little jew shit, is a deficiency of character.

    Yea sure, but how bad are we talking here? Like being an open mouth chewer or like being a failure at the end of a long life, clinging desperately to our last shreds of self-worth by finding meaning and value in the empty words of like-minded cranks rather than tangible accomplishments?

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  297. Still at it, huh?

    I guess my original comments were a little too “accurately aimed.”

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  298. on October 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm Seeking Alpha

    Isn’t Dodson the Christian conservative guy who got caught getting blown by male prostitutes?

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  299. One of my old business partners:
    A) married a 22 year old in his mid twenties.
    A) married a 22 year old in his mid thirties.
    A) married a 22 year old in his mid forties.

    He wised up after that. But he still pulled young ‘uns after that.

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  300. Wow.

    jew makes “Christian conservative guy” joke.

    Way to break the mold and go against type.

    What’s next? Polish and German jokes?

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  301. on October 27, 2009 at 5:55 pm Seeking Alpha

    As opposed to the old white crank making a Jew comment? You gotta relax a bit buddy. You sound like a real uptight guy.

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  302. Seeking Alpha, aren’t you doing the same thing you bitch at Obsidian for doing? Never letting a comment against your race slide until the point it ends up derailing the whole thread into a race thread? Enough already. Stop race-baiting.

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  303. on October 27, 2009 at 6:02 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Joe

    Come on Joe, be real. This is an old thread that had already derailed from productive conversation and I didn’t pounce on a minor comment about Jews, I decided to mock someone who thought Jew itself sufficed as an insult.

    But it’s okay, I know your heart is in the right place. Nobody wants to see more than one Obs here. We can forget the poor comprehension this time.

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  304. Sorry, but I wasn’t making Jew comments. I was merely pointing to a certain “deficiency of character.” And you’ve all but admitted that my various indications were “accurately aimed.”

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  305. I love it when people use the word “Jew” as an adjective. Better still if they use it as a verb.

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  306. on October 27, 2009 at 6:13 pm Seeking Alpha

    Yes Dodson, your characterization of sabril as Jewish is accurately aimed. You didn’t have to repeat yourself, I caught it the first time.

    I’m out of here. Have a scotch and grab a good book. You need to de-stress.

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  307. I love it when people use the word “Jew” as an adjective. Better still if they use it as a verb.

    It’s like a “syntactical parasite,” if you will. It latches on to and feeds off of various parts of speech.

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  308. on October 27, 2009 at 6:25 pm Seeking Alpha

    Hah, see now THAT was funny Dodson! Personally, I don’t mind a little Jew talk thrown in here. But keep it CREATIVE.

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  309. You know what’s stupid about rating the girl in the picture? Nobody but Roissy knows what she looks like!

    The picture is HORRIBLE for the purposes of evaluation. I won’t rate the girl, but the picture is a 2. You can’t see her hips, waist or bust. Her face is in the picture, but it is weakly illuminated by the cheapo flash (compare Roissy’s properly exposed hand to the girl’s underexposed face).

    This is the kind of picture nobody would trust on MySpace — could be hot, could not be, can’t tell yet.

    Everyone but Roissy is filling in what this girl looks like using their imaginations. Their ratings tell us more about how they feel about Roissy than anything else.

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  310. ” It latches on to and feeds off of various parts of speech.”

    Sure, and the Jews actually have been promoting it throughout the Western World.

    So keep saying “Jew this” and “Jew that,” you’re only helping the Jew(ish) conspiracy.

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  311. Seems that even the schvatze Michael Jackson was part of the Jew-spiracy:

    “Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick me, kike me.”

    he said.

    Too bad he didn’t bother to hire a Jew doctor.

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  312. Thank you for confirming my original comment with your last couple of comments.

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  313. “Thank you for confirming my original comment with your last couple of comments.”

    You are most welcome. I guess you decided to not follow your own advice and ignore me.

    😉

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  314. It’s tough.

    How do you ignore a grotesque, festering tumor gnawing at you and sucking your blood?

    You can’t really. You have to cut it out and dispose of it. It has been tried before in history, both successfully and unsuccessfully, and surely it will be tried again.

    Have your El Al ticket handy.

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  315. “It’s tough. ”

    Lol, yeah my statement that Roissy’s girlfriend was cute but not beautiful was really hard to ignore.

    “Have your El Al ticket handy.”

    Yawn.

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  316. “How do you ignore a grotesque, festering tumor gnawing at you and sucking your blood?”

    which is why you thanked me for cutting off your cock.

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  317. Your grandparents were yawning as well.

    Yawning during the Weimar Republic – before gasping at Treblinka. Perhaps you too will be gasping like they did. If not, your descendants most definitely will – that I can guarantee you.

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  318. OMG, an anti-semite who doesn’t deny the holocaust.

    “that I can guarantee you.”

    I imagine the Romans, the Babylonians, the Canaanites, the Ancient Egyptians, and every other group which has gone against the Jews felt the same way.

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  319. This girl is a 7 at most, but:

    I respect our host the more for this. Part of manliness is loving women who aren’t perfect. Good work. Keep it up.

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  320. Never said that it would be easy, or happen soon, or that other groups and peoples will avoid being decimated. You can add many other names of peoples to that list you provided, and undoubtedly there will be more names to add in the future.

    But it’s coming, and deep down inside you know that.

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  321. Haha, say hi to Sirin for me.

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  322. “But it’s coming, and deep down inside you know that.”

    No, and I believe that the greater danger to the Jews is of being loved as opposed to being hated.

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  323. wexler

    This girl is a 7 at most, but:

    I respect our host the more for this. Part of manliness is loving women who aren’t perfect. Good work. Keep it up

    I never knew there was something wrong with sevens.

    Especially, when they’re 20.

    I know, however, there are such things as women who ‘aren’t perfect’

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  324. Don’t worry about it.

    It won’t happen during your lifetime.

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  325. ””””””””Firepower
    wexler

    This girl is a 7 at most, but:

    I respect our host the more for this. Part of manliness is loving women who aren’t perfect. Good work. Keep it up

    I never knew there was something wrong with sevens.

    Especially, when they’re 20.

    I know, however, there are such things as women who ‘aren’t perfect’

    ””””””’
    quit bullshitting firepower you dated a woman who wasn’t perfect?

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  326. Unfortunately, it’s happening every day. But I do think the Jews will probably get through it.

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