Patterns

Zeets just texted me:

“Of all the women you’ve been with, have any gone on to have kids? Is there a pattern here?”

Thinking back, I don’t know one ex who went on to have kids. Now I haven’t followed the life trajectories of many of them, so I can’t be sure some haven’t popped out sprogs, but I do know that I’ve never once heard or been informed that a woman I’ve been with later had kids. A couple of women already had kids when I met them (weekend flings), but I’m pretty sure my despoliation of them convinced them not to have any further kids.

Patterns, I see them. Questions arise. Is the incorrigible player psychologically drawn to women with low maternal instincts? Does the womanizer target the barren of womb? Or do INDEPENDENT, MAKE MY OWN WAY women who would like to put off kids until after their second fine arts master’s degree in their late 30s naturally gravitate to cads? Or is it just an east coast urban “in heat” island effect?

Much is made of the dueling sexual strategies employed by men — the cad or dad conundrum — and how the ratio fluctuates depending on the larger cultural context, but what is sometimes overlooked is how the choices of women affect men’s mating strategies. A stong biofeedback loop exists in social environs that feature a lot of anti-kid, low maternal instinct women for men who bring status to the table (fame, looks, game) at the expense of resource provisioning ability. In short, the classic provider beta is being locked out of the competition in our bluest blue states and urban pleasure plazas.

My advice to beta males who can’t or won’t learn game is to head for the red states and rural areas. If you’re irreligious, learn to love the lord and sing a few hosannahs in church for the bounty of cornfed pussy that’s about to come your way. Merry Pussmas!





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  1. Many many of my ex’s went on to have children immediately after me.

    I am the good-luck chuck of wanna-be mommies.

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  2. on December 24, 2009 at 9:38 am unlearning genius

    I seem to attract the “dont want no real kids” type mostly, although the fact that a woman does you is indication that she wants kids (Hind brain can’t tell the difference if an actual baby will be born ..sex == baby)

    I also seem to get free-rides on single moms. But that is probably when i am dumpster diving?

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  3. Roissy:

    That’s a tough one. Now I don’t know the ages of many of those you’ve slept with but in general these days the girls who have kids young, have them by twenty and the rest who go on to have kids tend to have them 27 or later. So there’s this gap of 20 to possibly 30 where few if any women are having kids. You say you’ve been using game for about ten years if I recall correctly. If you mostly have used it on those in the 20 to 30 age range it’s possbile the majority of your partners have simply been in the wrong age group for you to expect them to pop out a sprat. A 20 year old 5 years ago is still only 25 now.

    Still I think alot of what you brought up influences this as well:

    1. Gals tend ot be different in the cities vs the country
    2. My professional women either choose a big delay in reproduction or don’t reproduce at all
    3. The economy looks like its going to be shit for awhile now. Some gals, if they can’t find a “beta provider” will be priced out of the baby market unless they want to go on welfare.
    4. As you say, “playas” love “sluts”. And many sluts aren’t looking to reproduce anytime soon, if ever.

    [editor: good point. since i date below my age, a lot of my exes simply haven’t entered what passes for the current childbearing years. although, of the older women i’ve dated (late 20 early 30s) they haven’t gone on to have kids either.]

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  4. on December 24, 2009 at 9:42 am unlearning genius

    “My advice to beta males who can’t or won’t learn game is to head for the red states and rural areas. ”

    haha, there is always a pond where you can be the shark. Better to be the big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big one .. your serotonin levels respond unconsciously to your status in the pond .. video-game playing geeks on korean TV get panties smelling of v-juice thrown at them!!

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  5. Twas the Night Before Roissymas – words manipulated by aoefe

    Twas the night before Christmas when all through the manse;
    Not a stich of clothing remained especially Roissy’s pants.
    The thigh highs were tossed by the chimney with care;
    In hopes that some action soon with be there.

    The girlies were nestled all sexy in his bed;
    While visions of group sex danced in his head.
    And some girls in their panties and Roissy with a nightcap;
    Had just settled down for a long winters anti-nap.

    When out on the lawn there arouse such a clatter;
    Roissy sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
    Away to the window he flew with his flask;
    Tore open the shutters to complete his task.

    The moon on the breast of the girlies below;
    Gave the lust of mid-day to the new-fallen snow.
    When what to his wondering eye should appear;
    But a shot through the window nearly hitting his liver.

    With a kung foo move, so lively and quick;
    Roissy knew in a moment it must be about his dick.
    More rapid than eagles his courtesans they came,
    And he whistled and shouted and called them by name;

    Now Lilgrl! Now LSB! Now Bhetti you Vixen!
    On aoefe! On sofia! On Wendy Schwartz who’s blitzen!

    To the top of the porch! They climbed up the wall!
    Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all!”

    A wink of their eyes and a nod to their heads;
    Soon gave him to know he had nothing to dread.
    They spoke not a word and went straight to their work;
    And filled all his fantasies so he wouldn’t have to jerk!

    And laying their bodies astride of his pose;
    And giving a tug to his stack – it arose.
    It sprang to attention he gave a low whistle;
    somehow to him they felt like the down of a thistle.

    And we heard him exclaim ere we moved out of sight
    Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night.

    [editor: *applause* well done. very xmas-y in a perverted sort of way.]

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  6. @The Truth: Sadly, that linked saga is all too believable. Should be read by all men, carefully. I’ve seen that one played out too many times. You have been warned, gents.

    In my experience, a lot of women want to be bred by alphas, especially true top alphas, no matter their (or your) status — single, married, divorced. The married woman I was having a torrid affair with, who seriously wanted my baby (she was gonna pass it off as beta provider hubby’s) — well, that was hot. I talked her out of it, of course, but the sentiment was profound and sexy.

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  7. Been to the Red states.

    The rot extends there. It is a pretty lie to believe it doesn’t.

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  8. Hmmm, overeducated uptown girls may wait too long to have kids. Since these are Roissy’s sustenance prey, they probably go on to bilk some provider for fertility clinic sessions within a few years.

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  9. the bounty of cornfed pussy

    More like the bounty of high-fructose corn syrup-fed pussy that weighs 300lbs…

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  10. Betas should gravitate towards cats.

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  11. I had a spate of ex’s all getting pregnant within a few months of seeing me. I put it down to them being careless after getting used to raw-dogging with me. Some guys just don’t have the control….

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  12. Perhaps a reminder to take thought before generalizing too much about women from your own experiences. Still, while Tallyrand exaggerates, wildly, he is right that you can’t entirely escape the rot anywhere.

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  13. Seems most of my exes have not gone on to get married nor have children.

    My favorite though is the girlfriend who went on to learn to ride motorcycles and lift weights. And she was a feminine little petite thing.

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  14. As The Truth said:
    >>>
    To any men thinking about getting married, read this:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/aha51/i_have_no_problem_with_her_wanting_to_screw_my/

    >>>

    Damn straight. You’re only do ’til something better (er, bigger) comes along, then you’ll get screwed.

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  15. Come to think of it, I started getting laid on a regular basis once I moved out here to South Dakota and started prowling around the trailer parks here for naive 18-20 girls who think a guy like me from NYC is the shit. Haven’t had to resort to going to church or singing gospels though. God Damn you Roissy, quit blowing up my spot!

    [editor: ah yes, the sexpert from afar phenomenon. chicks dig it.]

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  16. The Truth: Wow, that is a really sad story .

    Esquire: Hey esquire, are you the same one that lived/lives with Vellers down in Tucson?

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  17. “Patterns, I see them. Questions arise. Is the incorrigible player psychologically drawn to women with low maternal instincts? Does the womanizer target the barren of womb? Or do INDEPENDENT, MAKE MY OWN WAY women who would like to put off kids until after their second fine arts master’s degree in their late 30s naturally gravitate to cads?”

    I wouldn’t say we’re drawn to them for any other reason than they’re easier to lay. The women that want to put off kids & family to achieve work/education goals are the ones often squandering their youth fucking & chucking guys on the weekends. It’s only natural that we run through those types of women more frequently since the ones who do want to settle down and have kids aren’t out there in droves looking to hook up at the bars/clubs Thurs, Fri, & Sat night.

    The interesting thing is that the women who are squandering their youth as I mentioned above are typically the ones in their mid to late 30s scrambling to find a guy to have a kid with. It’s delicious irony because us 30something guys who were scorned by those women are already looking at their 20something counterparts.

    Mother nature is not a feminist.

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  18. The guy is a fucking moron for not getting an attorney.

    Usually I pity betas, but is this guy even a fucking adult?

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  19. Roissy,

    What happened to RJS?

    Didn’t he propose to guest post on how men can protect themselves IF they do marry? I recall he said something about setting up trusts in NV.

    B.

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  20. ”””””””””MB in PA
    The guy is a fucking moron for not getting an attorney.

    Usually I pity betas, but is this guy even a fucking adult?
    ””””””

    Yea he thought the judge was gonna impose justice like be able to easily see through the lies after all he lives in the land of the free right. Yea and instead of wanting to kill the guy persecuting him he wants to kill himself lol

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  21. It is easy to criticize others from a safe place. We don’t know what he is going through. We might do the same or worse in his shoes.

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  22. Yea truth where is the law when a guy can’t intelligently defend himself and the free lawyer. Oh yea no one cares that he can’t defend himself. Your best best is to give money to the prosecuter and judges when they run for office. Keep in touch.

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  23. Oh yea give loot to the sheriff too. It all comes down to money remember that.

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  24. “I do know that I’ve never once heard or been informed that a woman I’ve been with later had kids”

    That is surprising.

    I have had tons on girls I have swooped have gone on to have kids.

    But then again, I swoop massive amounts of fly girls.

    – MPM

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  25. Why would any sane person care about kids, under the present conditions? It is worse than useless, it gives the cunt an extra set of lead pipes to beat you with.

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  26. The Truth

    FUCK!:-(

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  27. Lots of women dont want to raise kids in the city, so many of your exes may have left the city and lost contact with you when they wanted to have kids.

    Also, women who have someone they want to have kids with are looking for stability (as they’ve already found the good genes) and are probably more likely to supress contact with old flings.

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  28. ””””””My advice to beta males who can’t or won’t learn game is to head for the red states and rural areas. If you’re irreligious, learn to love the lord and sing a few hosannahs in church for the bounty of cornfed pussy that’s about to come your way. Merry Pussmas!
    ”””””””””

    A woman who works with the land has to know some future time orientation. Probably a better choice and closer to the biblical perfect woman from what I have experienced.

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  29. Even with a lawyer that guy’s situation that “the Truth” linked probably wouldn’t have turned out that differently. btw the comments are worth reading as well, or Mesca’s responses to them are.

    The order of protection still would have happened and he’d have lost all custody for a long time and gotten only thin custody since. It would have taken time to get the house distress sold rather than foreclosed, which might have meant forclosure anyway. Yeah he’d have gotten more of the stuff in it.

    He’s probably going way in the hole on child support having gone from 150K /year before the divorce was filed to despondently unemployed now. He’s in danger of being jailed actually — where the CS will keep on accumulating at an undiminished rate without a lawyer.

    Anyone who thinks alpha’s are completely immune to these risks if they marry is just wrong. The odds may go down but they don’t to anything approaching zero. Not close.

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  30. I find that the dumber the girls I banged, the higher probability that they’ll go on to have kids. I base this on a large sample (well, 2 girls, who were dumbasses).

    Many girls lacking in brain cells just pop sprogs out in reflexive, dumb, blinking-calf ways – thy have nothing else going for them, nothing in life worth doing besides getting pregnant.

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  31. A couple of my gf’s from younger (teens/early 20s) beta days have popped out sprogs, and a few women I bestowed the blessings of my schween on once or twice, but otherwise, I pretty much ejaculate norplant. I actively avoid breeders though, for reasons which should be obvious.

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  32. Roissy I have a question about PUAs and all this “attraction building.” Having met very few pickup artists in real life, and pretty much NEVER having seem them perform a successful pickup in real life, I wind up running into their stuff online. A lot of the “attraction material” comes across so cheesy and try-hard when you read it. To illustrate, here is a random sample:

    ME – “Do you have a camera phone?”
    HB – “Um… yea”
    ME – “Haha, I know. I saw you taking pictures of yourself as you were coming down the stairs”
    HB – “No I wasn’t!”
    ME – “Suuuuure you weren’t! You were sooo taking myspace shots so you could add little captions like “going down the escalator at the mall. haha”

    I had her attention and had her laughing so from there I just went into the rest of my game.

    Really. You have her attention and had her laughing, which is good. I’m not saying don’t be C&F. But if this is the “future” of game, I cringe at thinking what kind of C&F dancing monkeys men will be in a few years if pickup becomes more mainstream. Honestly, what happened to “real men”? This is more like sissy boy “I talk a lot so you don’t walk away” game.

    [editor: it’s true that a lot of attraction material reads a lot more cheesy on the net than it comes across in real life. the online cheesiness factor shouldn’t dissuade guys from learning and using it. just be picky when deciding what kind of material suits your personality.]

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  33. @the truth.

    I find that these situations occur most often when the guy doesn’t get the real nature of women and relationships until the very, very, very, very end.

    Likely the guy in that story still thought he should “treat his wife like a lady” while she was screwing around and even during divorce proceedings.

    Divorce laws are skewed, but if a man goes into the matter knowing that he is up for the FIGHT OF HIS LIFE, he stands a decent chance. It is the dumbasses who really think divorce will be fair or (laugh) amicable that get screwed.

    Don’t get married is good advice. And be prepared for total nuclear war in divorce is good advice also.

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  34. Esquire: “The married woman I was having a torrid affair with, who seriously wanted my baby (she was gonna pass it off as beta provider hubby’s) — well, that was hot.”

    Yup, that’s what such women and their no-good friends giggle to each other: Nice guys are for raisin’ babies, bad boys are for makin’ them.

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  35. “Zeets” is most likely a Tyler Durden-esque projection of Roissy’s COOL SIDE.

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  36. “Nice guys are for raisin’ babies, bad boys are for makin’ them.”………….

    Sounds like a Madonna/Whore complex. LOL.

    You mean women got that too?

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  37. And be prepared for total nuclear war in divorce is good advice also.

    Yeah, except it’s the kind of nuclear war the US waged against Japan in 1945 – one side has the bomb, and the other doesn’t.

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  38. I’ve been naughty it appears I’m in moderation. I have a poem manipulated for roissy and read by me on my site. I can’t post it here (for some reason) but if you want a naughty version of a night before christmas/roissymas visit my site. Not trying to get hits – just can’t post here for whatever reason. I’ll promise I’ll be good (again). 😉

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  39. on December 24, 2009 at 5:25 pm gunslingergregi

    Except in this case enough kamikazi’s will work.

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  40. @UgSlayer: Huh? Nope.

    @Doug1: I think there’s more to the story than we’re hearing, but I suspect that a really good lawyer would have helped, however only so much.

    @Anonymous: Very true. Not the first time that scenario has happened to me either.

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  41. If you can play the religious card – head for utah, take a mission and when you get back enjoy your eager blonde fiance…seems like a hurdle just to get laid…

    I’m not mormon, although I reside in utah – can you say “ward game” …

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  42. Roissy,

    Spread the Word via the MSM. Get Surphace:

    http://www.surphace.com/bloggers/contextual+widget

    Whenever you link to a mainstream media site, it places links to your site in a list of contextually relevant blog posts. It works on WordPress.com and can boost your readership from mainstream news sites immensely.

    http://www.surphace.com/blog/2008/04/26/sphere-goes-live-on-wordpresscom-blogs/

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  43. on December 24, 2009 at 8:37 pm gunslingergregi

    A guy with something to offer and some balls to say what he wants out of life can get away with pretty much anything he wants out of life. Oh yea and never tell them you love em unless you really do.

    Merry Christmas!!

    he he he

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  44. Ah, Mormon chicks. They are in a class by themselves. They are NOT hung up about sex but you do have to make the correct approach.
    When I was bumming around Interior Alaska one summer me and an associate were hitch-hiking near Fairbanks. A hot 21 year old blond stooped and let us in. We ended up at her house where she introduced her 19 year old sister. I am NOT making this up. They were students at BYU.

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  45. “If you’re irreligious, learn to love the lord and sing a few hosannahs in church for the bounty of cornfed pussy that’s about to come your way. ”

    That really is good advice. There are lots of church girls out there who dont believe in divorce for religious reasons and will stand by their man even if he drinks, blows money, spends too much time with the boys, and even gets caught (once) having an affair. Some of those women will stick with their guy through about anything except real -true-physical abuse or serial adultery. Its a shame that gender feminism has made so many secular women socially and personally unpleasant to be around, even as friends.

    One of my buddies could get back with an attractive ex of his if he was simply willing to fake it and attend church with her every week (she’s a big Jesus-freak now—huge in fact). He’s got a couple on hand, but neither are her equal in my opinon. I wish that he would consider it. I seen him in the past week and he explained the situation to me. He’s onto some good stuff where he lives, but he is beta-izing the shit out of himself with one of them. Listening to him grovel over the phone almost made me physically ill. I tried to tell him about qualifying her, but it fell on deaf ears. Im thinking about buying him a copy of the Mystery Method, which I think would be a good gift for the young man in people’s lives as a psyche-manual for his dealings with the opposite sex.

    Merry Christmas to Roissy and his readers. I hope everybody gets lots of pussy over the holidays. : )

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  46. Advocatus Diaboli,

    As unfortunate as it may seem………………….kids really are adorable. I just got to see some of our families “tyke” members a few hours ago. They are precious. Its hard not to want one someday, even for a cynic like myself. Laughter fills the air when they are around, and their presence certainly makes the family’s womenfolk very happy.

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  48. In my experience, a lot of women want to be bred by alphas, especially true top alphas

    It’s Good To Be King

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  49. on December 25, 2009 at 12:08 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””z
    Advocatus Diaboli,

    As unfortunate as it may seem………………….kids really are adorable. I just got to see some of our families “tyke” members a few hours ago. They are precious. Its hard not to want one someday, even for a cynic like myself. Laughter fills the air when they are around, and their presence certainly makes the family’s womenfolk very happy.
    ”””””

    What people had before tv.

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  50. Perhaps, women with low maternal instinct, feeling less pressured by their biological clock, tend to behave more like children — seeing life more through a lens of wonder and excitement than through one of pressure and duty. Men with artistic temperament tend to view life similarly so they tend to attract each other.

    Women with low maternal instinct have less genes survive in the socity. Pupu has thought about this. Push comes to shove, she is willing to betray her selfish genes.

    Merry Christmas to Roissy et al!

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  51. The linked Reddit article reminds me of this recent NY Times article on “women who want to be attracted to their partners”: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/magazine/29sex-t.html

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  52. “Men are a breeding experiment run by women. If they don’t like the results, they have only to look in the mirror to find the guilty party.”

    On a related tangent, John Ringo has a mil-sci-fi series set a few thousand years in the future where the human race’s birthrate has been dropping steadily for some time. However, one of the characters points out that the rate of change is slowing and will probably soon reverse because since they have uterine replicators (i.e. women don’t have babies with their bodies anymore and they have 100% effective birth control) eventually only women who like rearing children will have any children at all and that type of woman will supplant all others in the gene pool. It sounds reasonable to me.

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  53. Why would any sane person care about kids, under the present conditions?

    Lucifer, the “present conditions” you talk about apply only to yourself. You could have lived in any place at any time and you would still comply about “present condidtions”

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  54. Almost all of my past girlfriends went on to marry the next guy, and most of them had kids within a year or two. Found out a couple of days ago that the latest one just popped out her first curtain crawler.

    The one nighters and such……as far as I know most of them are still cock hopping.

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  55. My advice to beta males who can’t or won’t learn game is to head for the red states and rural areas. If you’re irreligious, learn to love the lord and sing a few hosannahs in church for the bounty of cornfed pussy that’s about to come your way

    Gunnin’ for Clio.

    Pupu:

    Women with low maternal instinct have less genes survive in the socity. Pupu has thought about this. Push comes to shove, she is willing to betray her selfish genes.

    *Call me*

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  56. Nope.
    NONE of my exes ever went on to have kids after I had them.
    My penis completely wrecked their cervixes and uterii.

    Merry Christmas!

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  57. It’s a little ironic that the ideal ‘alpha male’ never has kids, thus having a zero Darwinian fitness in the strict sense of the word.

    That said the laws are so slanted in the woman’s favor it’s a little dangerous to procreate or even marry, as many people here have told me.

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  58. on December 26, 2009 at 11:04 pm msexceptiontotherule

    I’d prefer someone else’s kids that later end up with me as their mom. It seems like that would not only be less painful and cause absolutely no stretch marks way to have kids. Seeing as they don’t hold being a widow against someone seeking to be a parent, it also makes perfect sense for my situation. Yes, I know that the majority of the children that would be found through such means are going to be “difficult” – but so am I, thus increasing the odds that I’ll be successful in making a difference that could very well be the meaningful contribution to society and the world I’ve been looking for.

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  59. I am a beta male who is invisible in my blue state. When I visited Oklahoma (a state so red that not one county voted for Obama) the girls were flirting with me. I felt like I was in a whole different world and I loved it. God bless red state America.

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  60. Glad it posted Roissy! Glad you liked the twisted little tail (heh heh) too. 🙂

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  61. I dunno about heading into the red states as a solution for betas. From what I’ve seen, the girls there behave similarly(not quite to the same level seen in cities like DC and NYC, but still not dissimilar) to girls anywhere else in this country. Hypergamy to the max, betas be damned(until they hit their thirties and, uh, “grow up” through their “experiences” and “settle down”).

    I guess hyper religious mormons and the like would not be an entirely problematic option for some, but as a black male I really don’t like my chances in places like Utah where they predominate. Plus, they’re kinda rare these days anyhow

    I think a better idea would be to simply forget this country altogether for solutions. Betas, save your money(you ought to be able to with your solid careers) and get to traveling. Go to south america,asia or Eastern Europe. Feel what its like to have large amounts of attention from young, attractive women. Maybe, just maybe you’ll get an idea of what its like to actually be an alpha-what are the chances of that happening in the states?

    Maybe there are pitfalls in that strategy to, but as a somewhat hopeless beta myself, I don’t see better options.

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  62. ms exception, read Judith Rich Harris’ “Nature assumption” first. I’m a hypocrite, I’ve had it awhile but havent read it.

    Since you seem to write more than coherently, and with readable accents to your sentences, society would obviously benefit more from your own spawn.

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  63. Of course, I worry about having kids that are messed up. By which I dont mean smoking too much pot for a couple years in their early 20s, but rather having moderate to severe autism or retarded or something. Its certainly true that this risk doesnt pertain when adopting. It seems to me that it really takes some sack to have kids, in more ways than one. I cant guarantee I will ever attempt it but I hope I do.

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  64. “My advice to beta males who can’t or won’t learn game is to head for the red states and rural areas. If you’re irreligious, learn to love the lord and sing a few hosannahs in church for the bounty of cornfed pussy that’s about to come your way. Merry Pussmas!”

    Tried that…works if you are a beta ‘white’ male, You can know the bible in and out and still not get laid if you are a minority..Ive had some first hand experience with baptist girls some of them 8s and above but most of them 6s and cornfed. It doesn’t matter where you are working or how intelligent you are but as long as you are WHITE, reasonably tall and in some decent shape you have a good chance of landing a hottie if you are religous..I hate Kansas/Missouri. It was like practicing running on the beach, a level harder than normal running, so when i moved for work to California and Vegas I was ‘swooping fly girls’ left right and center 🙂

    My advice is, if you are a minority and a super beta head west coast, preferably the silicon valley, washington. That is where your intelligence (read:nerdiness) and your 6 figure salary will be of value and will trump looks, race and game.

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  65. I hope everybody gets lots of pussy over the holidays

    I met my little cousin, 9 years old who will be 10 in january, this christmas. I haven´t met her since June. I was startled to see that the girl already have breasts

    I had read aboutearly puberty in Black American girls in ghettos. My cousin is as cute as a girl can be and was already given a photographer´s card to test as a model once she turns 12, since she has that model body type and is extremely beautiful, even adjusting for age

    But it is not normal, nor right, that girls should have breasts at 9

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  66. “Perhaps, women with low maternal instinct, feeling less pressured by their biological clock, tend to behave more like children — seeing life more through a lens of wonder and excitement than through one of pressure and duty. Men with artistic temperament tend to view life similarly so they tend to attract each other”

    …interesting point. I think there’s some truth to this.

    On a personal level, I vowed to not have kids while too young. My parents were very young when they got married and raised my siblings and myself. I resented their being poor and their lack of life experience. I had to work twice as hard for school money and any accomplishment because my climb was from furthur below. Now, of course, I realized I was forced to develop important skills and I’m fearless of hard work. But as a teen, it sucked. I would aim to be as wise and and experienced as I can before raising a child. There’s no reason that a healthy woman, who has taken care of herself can’t start a family at 36, 37, 38.. It just depends. The key is to be ready and have something to give, not to fill an emotional void with a kid. Maternal instinct is linked with the ability to nurture something or someone to grow. Women with maternal instincts don’t always go on th have kids. However, I have noted that the dumb do seem to reproduce like rabbits…weighing society down with their ignorant, selfish acts, and many of those women appear to be without any maternal leanings at all.

    other thoughts:
    The player menatilty when studied, has been very closely linked to the peter pan complex. So I can see the slut to player link. But, not all players are alphas, and not all guys who don’t want to “grow up” are players. Not all betas are simply providers or weak. We are living longer…women can wait longer. Science, medicine and culture have been moving in that direction for a while now, as we know.

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  67. on December 27, 2009 at 4:42 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””msexceptiontotherule
    I’d prefer someone else’s kids that later end up with me as their mom. It seems like that would not only be less painful and cause absolutely no stretch marks way to have kids. Seeing as they don’t hold being a widow against someone seeking to be a parent, it also makes perfect sense for my situation. Yes, I know that the majority of the children that would be found through such means are going to be “difficult” – but so am I, thus increasing the odds that I’ll be successful in making a difference that could very well be the meaningful contribution to society and the world I’ve been looking for.
    ”””””””””

    Ahh we are still gonna need you to meet your personnal qouta of 5 he he he

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  68. Snoop Dog said ite best:

    “You don’t love, you love my doggie style.”

    Commitment? You’ll do until someone better comes along, that’ it.

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  69. Snoop Dog said it best:

    “You don’t love me, you love my doggie style.”

    Commitment? You’ll do until someone better comes along, that’ it.

    (Frickin’ can’t type.)

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  70. Either way – and in both cases.

    Snoop Dogg
    said it better
    than you

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  71. Heck, Tarzan no go with words.

    But, all hear ye, know dis… When your women starts whining about how marriage is a “relationship” while you, you cro magnon, think its a “commitment” (poor dear), she’s found some guy who’s longer, thinker and tags her g-spot/cervix a lot harder (not to mention take her “back there,” like she would;t let you) than you. She wants something… er, someone… else and for you to take all the blame for it.

    That’s where Snoop Dog’s wisdom comes in…

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  72. on December 28, 2009 at 8:20 pm You Know I'm Right

    If you do not have kids, you and that branch of your family line dies a genetic death, i.e. you are a biological and evolutionary failure in a Darwinian sense.

    Bad news.

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  73. on December 28, 2009 at 8:39 pm gunslingergregi

    Anon just make sure you do no housework no cooking no cleaning and you should be just fine with woman. Any of those things and you have entered the kitchen bitch zone.

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  74. To anoukange:

    Don’t let the clock run out. Better freeze some of your eggs now. Eggs decay at a rapid rate in your ovaries and are not replaced.

    Just sayin’

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  75. “Nice guys are for raisin’ babies, bad boys are for makin’ them.”………….

    My own dad is an asshole, and that is a well-established fact in our household. About ten years ago, I found out I had a half-brother who was not only gay as blaze, but also her mother was fifteen years old when she had him (my dad was in his mid-twenties). So this baby was adopted by a nice math teacher.

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  76. “If you do not have kids, you and that branch of your family line dies a genetic death, i.e. you are a biological and evolutionary failure in a Darwinian sense.

    Bad news.”

    A. whos going to give a shit when their dead?

    B. in the current state of affairs reproducing isnt all that, its believed most genetic evolution is based on bottlenecks, e.g only a minority of a population surviving thus all survivers becoming like that minority. There are so many humans in the world today that having a few kids makes literally no difference to humanity unless you are sporting some SERIOUS mutations like x-ray vision or telekinesis that’d make you’re genetic legacy actually interesting and worth continueing. Otherwise you’re going to have mass impregnate MANY women and somehow prevent most/all other men from reproducing to have any significant effect on the gene pool.

    Also i don’t believe it is sensible to speak of darwinian success and failure, as each species are different. For instance are Europeans darwinian failures because they didnt wipe out all the other races when they were at their most dominant? Am i a darwinian failure because i haven’t killed/out competed every other man on the planet and mated every single available woman? That is the nature of DNA in many cases, ruthless competition, but humans are somehow better.

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  77. Thanks Joel, I’ll keep that in mind.

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  78. Just keep ’em in the fridge – in those little styrofoam containers – you’ll be fine as wine.

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  79. It’s slowly dawning on Roissy that my selection model has been right all along.

    Occam’s Razor provides a simple explanation:

    Emotionally mature women who aren’t self-centered bitches don’t like gamesters, have strong maternal instincts, and an ability to form the healthy relationships that lead to marriage and kids, especially in the urban areas.

    The sorting mechanism works, as does evolution. The “ralphas” are just o megas to quality women.

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  80. I’ll have to inform my foreign roommate to not eat them I suppose, that would be weird.

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  81. If he’s German – ja.
    If he’s French…non

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  82. Keith sez:
    >>>
    Emotionally mature women who aren’t self-centered bitches don’t like gamesters, have strong maternal instincts, and an ability to form the healthy relationships that lead to marriage and kids, especially in the urban areas.
    >>>

    True (praise God, Allah, Budda, Whomever). In this day and age, however, it’s too often an oxymoron.

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  83. on December 31, 2009 at 5:28 am Juurooppalainen

    How about moving to a country where you divorse laws are not perverted?

    Here where I live prenuplial agreements hold and there is no way to get money from your husband/wife, unless you have childs. Then you have to pay something like 150-200$ per kid. No big deal.

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  84. It just occurred to me. Could this be a picture of Roissy and his new LTR friend? That might explain his silence.

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  85. Talking about immature, I was talking to some friends last night. An acquaintance of one of our friends, female, is 58, just lost her job as vice president in a bank (Detroit?), refuses to move in with or marry her long term (12 year) B.F. who has a steady job (govt) with benefits. She says she is looking for more passion in a relationship. Never married. She was for a short time seeing a 30+ Englishman, fitness nut, but was offended when he suggested she was overweight. But, she may move out of the state looking for the job and the Mr. Right she thinks she deserves.

    In her defense, she does have OCD.

    Her longterm boyfriend is the one to pity more. But, think how much more pathetic he would be if she consented to marry him.

    Boys, repeat slowly and clearly:

    I will not get married unless I want my biological children not to be bastards.

    No other reason is acceptable.

    Happy New Year.

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  86. on January 1, 2010 at 4:59 pm Passing through

    I’ve wondered about this same pattern in my amorous history. To my my knowledge, only one former girlfriend has had kids, and nearly all the rest were quite insistent about never wanting kids, much less subjecting their bodies to the depredations of pregnancy.

    A not unrelated observation I’ve made in my academic workplace oversaturated with hetero females is the feeling of a certain coldness and reserve from them during pregnancy. As if their sense of incompatibility with my type is heightened by it, only to resume after the kids are born the normal level of mutually cordial aloofness between married-with-children women and single guys of their husbands’ ages bent on extending the expiration date of their market value.

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  87. Say it loud, say it proud!

    Joel: “I will not get married unless I want my biological children not to be bastards.”

    Yeah, baby!

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  88. on January 2, 2010 at 9:03 am msexceptiontotherule

    Now that I’ve thought about it for a while….

    It doesn’t seem like a bad idea to raise someone else’s kids solo. Or contractually arrange to have a biological child for which the biological father would be relieved (or forced as needed) of any future responsibility or involvement. Finding a male for a father figure minus the entanglements of a romantic relationship might actually be less likely to have all of the hostility and other horrible problems. More difficult to find, yes, but much less hostile or prone to disaster.

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  89. I’m an independent woman, but I *want* one of those “Betas” you describe – nice and respectful, not a cad or Oedipus. Are you saying as a woman interested in one of those men, I’ll have to move to a red state, too?

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  90. Speaking of Tiger Woods – watch this parody of a hit song – funny.

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  91. And, let’s not forget… There are actually Alphas who’re tough and manly without being irresponsible bastards, don’t forget them. They’ll be a red state thing; blue state folk live the *sshole or wuss choice.

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  92. roarsavage

    Are you saying as a woman interested in one of those men, I’ll have to move to a red state, too?

    hey rearsavage, i forget: is a “red state” the one where they give all the tax dollars to sheboons with 7 kids, or is that ‘red’ thing descriptive of the political climate, like “Red Army” and “Red China” et al

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  93. Firepower said: “hey rearsavage, i forget: is a “red state” the one where they give all the tax dollars to sheboons with 7 kids, or is that ‘red’ thing descriptive of the political climate, like “Red Army” and “Red China” et al”

    Nope, those descriptions both go with “blue state” A “red state” is where men are men and sheep are scared.

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  94. Or if you’re zunder….find a sheep.

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  95. 96 comments!!!

    in the old days Roissy could post a picture of his neighbourhood and would still get 500 comments in 24 hours

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  96. blue staters are liberal c*nts fool.. liberals are causing the destruction of the USA

    Roissy, no post in weeks?? on withdrawal here, along with several lurker friends!

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