Relationship Game Week

Around the four month mark you’re going to start taking your girlfriend on weekend trips, unless you are a beta, in which case you will be planning romantic weekends before you’ve even kissed her. Romantic (read: nonstop bedroom pounding) getaways include bed and breakfasts in the mountains, oceanview hotels or beach house rentals, horseback riding, ski chalets, quaint cottages in Tuscany (if you’ve got discretionary cash and you like her so much that you don’t mind wasting a trip to Italy on her instead of pursuing the local Italian women), and camping if she’s the outdoorsy type.

After your first romantic weekend, give her at least two days space once you’ve returned home. That means don’t call her. The reason for this has to do with a fundamental difference between men and women in how we perceive romantic gestures. To men, a romantic weekend away is an opportunity to share uninterrupted pleasure with a chick to whom we have deemed worthy enough to devote an entire weekend. Men value romantic weekends based on the pleasurable benefits we anticipate for ourselves, in order from most eagerly anticipated to least: Sex, affection, low stress, and good dining. The “relationship” and “where it is heading” comes in a distant tenth, right after rejoicing that we came in under budget.

To women, a romantic weekend away, particularly the first romantic weekend with a new lover, is only peripherally about pleasure. Everything in a woman’s life must have a “deeper meaning”, and this goes double for a romantic getaway with her boyfriend. Since women are more practical than men, they cannot live in the now as easily as men do, and are always contemplating the future. This is because pregnancy and kids are never far from a woman’s subconscious thoughts, so every experience can’t just be enjoyed on its own; it has to be dissected and analyzed to determine the man’s fit into the larger picture of house, husband, children, divorce theft bonanza.

A woman’s emotions will be turbulent after a heady romantic weekend together. If you had a good time, she will need a couple of days to process the weekend, and your place in her life. The hamster in her head will be running itself to death. It’s best to stay clear of her during this time, which usually lasts a couple days (add a few days if she’s PMSing), so that she can complete the transition from emotional entropy to steady state equilibrium without your presence and your words potentially fucking up the transition for the worse. I recommend playing it safe and avoiding all contact with her until her emotions have calmed.

If you call her right after the romantic weekend, you might be surprised to find she doesn’t pick up her phone or, if she does, she sounds weird and snippish. Don’t let this throw you; it’s just her brain settling down after you powerfully jostled it from its humdrum routine. Calling too soon means you risk getting ensnared in her confusion. But by waiting a couple days to make your post romantic weekend followup call, you’ll find she has returned to normal and is happier than ever to hear from you.

Remember, a woman in emotional upheaval is not sparring you, she is sparring herself. The best thing you can do is step the fuck aside and let her come to peace with her overworked head hamster. She’ll either convince herself she loves you even more than she thought she did, or she’ll freak out and leave the country. Either way, you’ve saved yourself some unnecessary bullshit.





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  1. Tru All Dat.

    The Obsidian

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  2. Take the phone off the hook and spend all weekend at home banging her.

    Lots cheaper.

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  3. Sound advice

    As someone who is not part of the scene (yet), I’m looking for some instruction. Can anyone recommend a good workshop in DC in the next couple of months?

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  4. Jay,
    Save you the money and trip: simply read the archives here, both Roissy’s leadoff posts and the comments. You’ll be able to tell the guys who know what they’re talking about from the guys who didn’t.

    Second, grab up the Mystery Method and The Game if you haven’t already. Should be able to cop both from Amazon cheap if you get em used. That’s what I did, and it didn’t setme back more than $30 for both books.

    Now here comes the hard part-actually putting into motion what you’ve read and learned. I give a breakdown of what I did, use the search engine here and you should be able to find it. Think of it as conducting social experiments. Mark the results and compare notes. Within say, about a month or so, you should start to see a difference, if not sooner. There have been Men here who, w/any a smattering of Game have seen dramatic results.

    Hands down, and I mean this w/all sincerity, you’re not likely to come accross a better venue for improving your chances in perhaps the singlemost important area of your life, Jay. Roissy’s done a good thing here, and I feel good to be a part of it.

    Welcome aboard! I think I speak for all of the Brothers when I say that we’ll be here for you.

    The Obsidian

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  5. That’s a LOT like my practice after I’ve given a woman a particularly hot series of cascading orgasms. The poor dear needs time for her hormones to re-regulate, otherwise she could put deeper meaning onto an otherwise fun evening.

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  6. There is a lot about pickup Game, but it is hard to find something about relationship Game. Roissy, is there a book you recommend?

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  7. Same goes for arguments or PMS’s. If she gets bitchy with you in private*, just leave the room.

    (* no such thing as her getting bitchy with you in front of other people. You must establish this at the very beginning.)

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  8. “The “relationship” and “where it is heading” comes in a distant tenth, right after rejoicing that we came in under budget.”

    Funny.

    This is real good advice, that I have learned subconsciously over time, but never really broke down like this.

    “Romantic weekends” are a great gauge to see if a girl is a quality girl.

    If you are dating a girl, but have no desire to go on a weekend trip with her, she isn’t worth much to you.

    Side note:

    Never bring a girl to Las Vegas or Miami Beach for the weekend.

    – MPM

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  9. I’d be

    happier than ever to hear from you

    because if I had a good time I would have driven myself into a neurotic tizzy that you didn’t after a few days of not hearing from you. (which, may be successful for you but from my point of view cruel!)

    Unless radio silence for days at a time is the norm.

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  10. This is where not listening to girls you’re trying to pick up leads you astray.

    “so every experience can’t just be enjoyed on its own; it has to be dissected and analyzed to determine the man’s fit into the larger picture of house, husband, children, divorce theft bonanza.”

    I’d say it’s a lot simpler and Tyler Durden is much closer in his models of female logic.

    [editor: by “dissect and analyze” i mean “rationalize”, as the two mental tasks in women are nearly indistinguishable. td and i are not apart in our thinking.]

    Roughly, she’s trying to build a narrative in her head where going on a romantic weekend was the right decision for her to take at that time.

    I’d say that women on average spend as much as twice as much time rationalizing already made decisions than on planning. When a woman wants to know ‘where the relationship is headed’ she’s really trying to justify her being in the relationship in the past and present. (She’s also comparing the you she first met with the ‘you’ she’s trying to create and seeing if there are any encouraging signs that her make-over efforts are bearing fruit, but that’s another topic.)

    Anyway, to build up the story where she made the right decision by going away for the weekend, she needs to keep the ideal ‘you’ firmly in focus and not be distracted by the messy, real not-so-ideal ‘you’.

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  11. The major downside of subsequent “romantic weekend” escapes is that she’ll inevitably use one as a platform for eliciting love.

    This happened to me over the weekend.

    The Seven I’d been haphazardly banging the the last couple months as an easygoing summer fling (and when I was too lazy to go out for pickup) has crossed the seal and disrupted everything with “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    I was drunk and nearing blissful sleep when she stabbed this into my ear. Needless to say, the (unspoken) answer was no, and I was annoyed that she was projecting the feminine love dynamic onto me. I pretended I didn’t hear her as I resumed passing out. She said no more, but I just know, in the back of her mind, she felt she had planted a seed in a garden that she would return to later, to further cultivate and eventually attempt to harvest for life-mate bounty.

    On Tuesday, the cruel herbicide of dumpage by text message will solve that problem.

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  12. Jay,

    I really think that the biggest hurdle for any would-be PUA is the approach anxiety. I’m still not over it. Learning the basics of game is easy as hell comparatively.

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  13. “There is a lot about pickup Game, but it is hard to find something about relationship Game. Roissy, is there a book you recommend?”

    Magic Bullets.

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  14. on August 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm Large Hadron Collider

    yeah – that’s true

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  15. Great advice. If unsure, get back to the basics and it’ll be fine. Call infrequently and make no promise to call.

    Right after a romantic getaway is also a fantastic time to DTB. Seriously. A relationship with any woman should be only as long as you begin to tire of her.

    Not a fan of LTR(beware the de-facto relationship laws), but men should realise that a woman depreciates in value fast. You want variety, and fresh meat to swap out the expired ones. Don’t be a fool and stretch out a LTR for 5, 8 or 10 years, thinking as long as you don’t marry all is well.

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  16. “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    Damn, that is an EVIL question. No matter how much I study game, how to respond to shit test and histrionics and so forth, every girl always seems to have these aces up their sleeves that leave me utterly bereft of a response that will calm her worries and maintain/increase the happiness of the ‘relationship.’

    Does anyone have general advice as to how to respond to these “thermonuclear” shit tests?

    [editor: for this one in particular, say “We’ll see” and wink. Good rule of thumb: the best way to handle thermonuclear shit tests is with as few words as possible.]

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  17. @JG:

    “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    Basic rules. Be evasive, but emotional.

    A peck on her forehead. Both hands on her shoulders. Stare.
    “Look in my eyes, do you think I won’t fall in love with you?”

    Another vagina secured.

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  18. “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    Damn, that is an EVIL question. No matter how much I study game, how to respond to shit test and histrionics and so forth, every girl always seems to have these aces up their sleeves that leave me utterly bereft of a response that will calm her worries and maintain/increase the happiness of the ‘relationship.’

    Does anyone have general advice as to how to respond to these “thermonuclear” shit tests?

    What roissy said.

    But seriously, that was very, very amateurish on her part. If you want to place a guy in that tricky situation, it seems to me, you don’t do it when the guy has the perfectly usable (and in the case well used) excuse of pretending to be asleep. That’s a completely stupid thing to do, because it gives the guy an easy way out, and also unmasks other motives so that he can proceed accordingly (as also the case here).

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  19. “Head hampster” = win.

    Quality advice, herr schlongmeister.

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  20. Interesting. I whole heartedly agree with give-and-take-away game, but there seems to be a problem here: I am only going to take a very, very select number of girls away for the weekend. If I am going to spend money on a vacation for a girl, it better be a damn, damn serious relationship (I’m also young(er) with relatively litte spare income just to blow on a weekend…so that comes into play). Anyways, in any relationship this serious I damn well better know what she is up to most nights (hence why I usually avoid serious relationships.) But really, in this day and age you have to assume if you dont know where she is, that she is fucking others. If this girl is serious enough to buy a vacation for, you might want to keep a shorter leash.

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  21. I’ll recap my ramblings above: most DC or NYC girls left on their own for 2 days will start to look for their next relationship. HTH.

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  22. Regarding the “do you think you’ll fall in love with me?” question the answer has to be no every time. The scales are already tipped in favor of the one who isn’t asking. I would cut and run in that case. I mean if I was her. She’s already blown it if she’s looking for love…..like 99% of modern women she thinks that sex will bring her love. It does…for her, not him. Run girl! And put your head on before you take your pants off in the future.

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  23. spunk

    A peck on her forehead. Both hands on her shoulders. Stare.
    “Look in my eyes, do you think I won’t fall in love with you?”

    Another vagina secured and another mind fucked and you wonder why the world is going to hell I bet. Haha.

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  24. hmm i dont know that playing games while in a relationship is a good thing ..
    i would want him to call right after . but you are right about all the other stuff . thinking about the future and what it means for our relationship .
    it will definitely be more serious for me .

    “…NYC girls left on their own for 2 days will start to look for their next relationship..”

    EXACTLY.

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  25. She’s already blown it if she’s looking for love…..like 99% of modern women she thinks that sex will bring her love. It does…for her, not him.

    It’s interesting that so many women still believe that.

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  26. @ flip ant
    “Another vagina secured and another mind fucked and you wonder why the world is going to hell I bet. Haha.”

    Really? The world is moving along lovely. It’s hell for the married manginas, and the ‘where have all the good men gone’ chanting hags. For unmarried men, it’s heaven now. Unless, of course, you happen to be a beta-omega ‘I must find true love’ type like Sodini. But people like him kill women, and I am not too worried for my own skin.

    P.S: Mindfucking women is a lovely pastime. All men should try it.

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  27. “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    (3 second silence)

    “Not if you have to _ask_!” (with slight incredulity that she could ask something so gauche).

    Has the benefit of simultaneously sounding pseudo-profound while being fundamentally meaningless. It also makes _you_ the relationship expert and she’s the amateur.

    In the same vein, theres the use-womens-language-against-them tactic.

    “Don’t you think that’s a weird thing to ask…”

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  28. ””””’Roissy,
    right after rejoicing that we came in under budget.””””””””””’

    LOL hell yea or like wtf I didn’t think it was possible to spend 25 g’s in 14 days.

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  29. O, what a science filled post that gets Pupu’s heart racing!

    A gal’s emotional entropy is up after a trip because the probability distribution across all possible states flattens temporarily before settling onto a new peak. The result of game is more predictable in a Hamiltonian world. Even in that case, game cannot be abused (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_critique)

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  30. “[editor: for this one in particular, say “We’ll see” and wink. Good rule of thumb: the best way to handle thermonuclear shit tests is with as few words as possible.]”

    For this test in particular, I agree that is a very good response. In general with these things, I do typically take the don draper route of ‘when in doubt, stay absolutely silent’ (with smirk/steely gaze, perhaps a light chuckle). I feel this earns a passing grade, but one of about 65/100 or so.

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  31. I’ll recap my ramblings above: most DC or NYC girls left on their own for 2 days will start to look for their next relationship. HTH.

    Madras, this is only true if you have just met her and failed to illicit any strong attraction in her…or you’re fucking 30+ year olds that couldn’t get attached even if they dreamt of velcro. After 4 months she should be putty in your hands, if you’ve done your job correctly.

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  32. Funny, we were talking R. Don Steel on Friday….

    He manages to have a page on “Weekends” in his 100 page guide….and its pivotal

    Its the grenade her friend throws in when she is back Monday: “That sounds nice, but, YOU’RE not serious about him are you…he’s so “………” <-insert hate

    This is the disguised, jealous, time-bomb designed to ruin your carefully planned & paid for weekend…

    Steele counsels so very strategic advice; this page got me to realize he was on…

    ps, Importance of Wheels:

    all weekends are a complete waste if you are rolling in a Hyundai / rental Focus. The parking lot will not lie….and the other guys will be sporting choice wheels. EVERYONE ALL Weekend will be evaluating those wheels….so, choose well.

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  33. Science aside, it is very healthy to leave the gal alone for a couple of days so she could do her laundry, catch up with her girlfriends, loose some weight (in case the trip was food related), etc. The contrast between the past excitement with you and the current mundane without you would enhance her feeling for you.

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  34. I’ve noticed a series of Roissy posts on relationship game indicating a new potentially high quality girl joining him somewhere around early March, coincidentally when he also blogged that spring made for particularly abundant picking.

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  35. Guys go on weekend get aways with chicks for two reasons.

    1. They want to fuck this chick multiple times in some remote location.

    2. They want to fuck this chick multiple times in some remote location.

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  36. ”””””””””’Silver Fox,
    Its the grenade her friend throws in when she is back Monday: “That sounds nice, but, YOU’RE not serious about him are you…he’s so “………” <-insert hate''''''''''''

    Not a problem is you follow roissy's plan:

    ''''''''''''''Roissy,
    Romantic (read: nonstop bedroom pounding)''''''''''''''''''

    Win Win for her in talking to friends. Like when she can now laugh with them about the number of orgasms bitches in cosmo are having because there highest number is her lowest.
    This is where her friends will say omg omg a perfect relationship. While their pussies get wet and they start thinking of a plan to jump on your dick.

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  37. So true Roissy on the space. Sigh. If I knew then …

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  38. Roissy–

    What I’m dying to see you post on is what I consider to be the “verdant high mountain valley” of relationship game: keeping one girl mad in love with you, publicly identifying as your gf, and completely loyal, while there’s a tacit or explicit understanding that you can and do sometimes (or often) stray, in a keeping her primary way.

    In my experience this takes no only blowing her away with game and LTR game, including great D/s lovin, but also a lot of head talk. But in the end also a lot of girl selection. Lots of girls just aren’t going to go for this, at least not for any extended period of time. Mostly it’s their girlfriends, assuming you’ve got her nuts enough for you to begin with.

    It seems to me there are two choices here once the level of attraction perquisites are met. Either 1) keep it quite or semi quite and a bit deceptive from her friends or 2) be part of a mini culture/lifestyle that embraces it, and from which she draws her personal confidant type girlfriends. Semi quite might mean saying the relationship is open with strong rules – she just doesn’t feel like playing at this point.

    But anyway, seems to me this involves pinnacle LTR game, or an aspect of it, and some specialized head stuff counteracting the pervaisive cultural messages about how “demeaning” and “unfair” in must inherently be.

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  39. Pursuing an Italian woman is like pursuing a dark hairy spiny monkey for sex.

    Go to Poland.

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  40. Pursuing an Italian woman is like pursuing a dark hairy spiny monkey for sex.

    http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/rubriche/approfondimenti/20050908161633614250.html#MARCHE

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  41. Ovid, trust me, I lived in Rome for 4 months. Those women are ugly little runty simians. These few outliers do not disprove my months of data.

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  42. Rome,you say?Mind if I ask what you did there?I’m trying to get there myself.Very difficult.

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  43. Lurker,hai vissuto a Roma per quattro mesi,quindi suppongo che mastichi un bel po’ d ‘Italiano.Mi sbaglio?

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  44. Study Abroad back in college. What do you mean, trying to get there yourself, and how is it difficult? Are you on a no-fly list?

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  45. I mean trying to live/work there smart alek.

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  46. And Ovid…on speaking Italian…

    I went there knowing no Italian and never having studied it(it was an American school in rome). Yet the immersion process worked wonders: by the time I left, I was bargaining in Italian for rail refunds, asking direction, and having conversations with people completely in Italian comfortably.

    unfortunately, you lose it if you don’t use it. I recognize bits and pieces, but I never ventured back because I hated it and don’t know it anymore.

    Immersion truly is the way to learn a language.

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  47. By the way,are you the same “Lurker’ who posts at Majorityrights.com?

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  48. Ovid, you can

    1) get a job teaching English (the schools, especially the “cowboy” ones abound; make sure they got a good rep for paying on time)

    2) nannying for rich Roman kids, where part of your job is teaching them English–course you’re a guy, so that’s probably not your thing;

    3) become a tour guide for Americans (bike tours are good for young guys)—but you’d have to know the city well first, which takes time;

    or 4) get some sort of job at the American/English schools there, either teaching or assisting a professor. Or maybe doing office work.

    Those are good ways, but the Italian visa system is a bitch. Tourists are fine, but wanting to work or study in Italy for any period of time beyond 3 months is a PIA. I can only imagine, sicne 9/11, its gotten worse; Italy is paranoid about terrorism (and was back then), so much so that major hotels and residences in cities do not allow people to have visitors without express written permission and photo submission.

    Villas in the country, however—might be more relaxed.

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  49. keep it quiet or semi quiet.

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  50. Ovid, no, that’s not me at Majorityrights.com

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  51. Ari –

    “Guys go on weekend get aways with chicks for two reasons.

    1. They want to fuck this chick multiple times in some remote location.

    2. They want to fuck this chick multiple times in some remote location.”

    One can certainly fuck all of her remote locations right there at home. But banging her in exotic locales is entertainly to.

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  52. Ti ringrazio lurker,amico mio.

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  53. Ovid, like I said, lost the italian, no idea what you’re saying.

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  54. Doug,
    Having two or more Women at once ain’t no thing at all; read your copy of The Game. You simply manage expectations and set the tone early-this is very, very important. She has to know, going in, what the deal is, and your Frame & Game has to be so strong that it overwhelms whatever she’s talking. I done had plenty situations like this Man. Several of multi-months duration, and longer if I wanted it. By “multi-months” I mean somewhere over six.

    It is proven that Women WILL share what they deem a Good Man. The trick is, you want to do it the right way:

    1. NEVER, EVER, Diss her-meaning, don’t embarass her, don’t wave your other Women all in her face, etc. It’s not necessary. She already knows the deal, and besides, it’s better if she has to try & figure out what you’re doing w/someone else. Women get wet like a busted faucet for intrigue.

    2. Keep things discreet-no need for drawin’, you feel me? A lot of guys don’t know how to act when they get access to more than one Woman w/o drama, and forget that a big part of a Woman’s psyche is discretion.

    3. Again, I can’t say enough, your Frame and Game is essential. The more manly you are-meaning a go-getter, success driven, ambitious, you name it-the greater chance you’ll have a strong sexual nature, and trust me, Women understand this. Don’t hide it, let her know in a calm, firm, respectful but very direct way. Let her know she has other qualities you appreciate about her, but that you also have strong tastes. Women secretly get off big time knowing her Man is really virile, trust me.

    That’s about it. Maintaining multiple LTRs ain’t for every Man-it’s a skill that requires a certain type of temperment. But for those who can make it work, its da bomb.

    The Obsidian

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  55. “A gal’s emotional entropy is up after a trip because the probability distribution across all possible states flattens temporarily before settling onto a new peak. The result of game is more predictable in a Hamiltonian world. Even in that case, game cannot be abused (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_critique)”

    Pupu must be a quite a girl-nerd to use excellent quantum mechanics/macroeconomic metaphors like these!

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  56. If you’re a beta, you’ll be planning your long drawn-out movie style courtship while your alpha friend has already swooped her and is banging her every night. Been there.

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  57. Sometimes I wonder if this blog is about picking up women or picking up girls in junior high who frantically scribble boys’ names on their binder covers surrounded by little hearts, declaring themselves the future Mrs. Brett Bretterson complete with pink and yellow highlighter decorations.

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  58. on August 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm gunslingergregi

    Just watching this adam sandler movie and they just played the peanut butter game suggested by the mother of the girls. And she put peanut butter on her ear and had a dog lick it off. This was supposed to be cute.

    Then Sandler gets with the married woman who is his old flame who had kids with another guy and was with him.

    Then spends night with the cool husband of the chick having fun drinking.

    Then yea he finds out truth and leaves sandler there with his wife and kids and drives off.

    This is the way guys are supposed to handle some shit like that. Some other dude using his house to fuck your wife while your on a business trip.

    Lost some respect for sandler.

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  59. on August 10, 2009 at 4:43 pm gunslingergregi

    ok been a bit since seen movie but what the fuck is this bullshit.

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  60. None of the characters are likeable Gunny. Which is why the movie failed. Sandler ??? He’s abandoning his core male audience like Eastwood before him to get critical acclaim (read: Gay acclaim). Sorry to say, that’s what it is.

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  61. on August 10, 2009 at 4:54 pm Brett Bretterson

    Not another one.

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  62. on August 10, 2009 at 4:55 pm gunslingergregi

    Well at least the dude got to come back and whoop his ass a little but then the woman gets to choose between them wtf

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  63. “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    (3 second silence)

    “do you think you could get up and make me a ham sandwich?”

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  64. Obsidian–

    It’s pure fronting to say that it “ain’t no thing” to play with other women when you’re in a LTR with one woman and she publicly identifies as your girlfriend and is herself loyal and exclusive. I’m not talking when she’s ambiguous about her own fidelity (which means with a good enough offer she won’t be) but when she’s not ambiguous about that.

    I’ve done it with a couple of girls in the way I’m talking about here (aside from fuck buddies, where it’s mutual). I’m free to do it now in fact, and have done with my live together girl. But it’s most definitely a thing, a very big thing, in anything like mainstream culture, white or Asian or from what I can tell a lot of higher half black culture, Happens but it’s most definitely a thing.

    Within black society it does seem to be a whole lot easier, especially if you aren’t married to the main girl as most black folk aren’t most of their adult and even past 30s lives, or even living with her. This is probably heavily true because of the severe shortage of black men in their late twenties to forties or older, and severe shortage of “suitable proud making” black men compared to black women. Around 1/4 to 1/5 of black men in their 20s and 30s are in jail or otherwise in the CJ system. Black girls graduate from college at 2x the rate that black guys do, and black women earn considerably more than black men do. All of this makes suitable and hot black men scarce. There may also be black cultural carryovers from heavily polygamous West Africa, or maybe survivals from slavery, or possibly other reasons why soft polygamy even when really serious or even shacking up with one girl is more accepted in the black community. Though it seems to be more excepted in the lower SES parts of black America than higher ones.

    The opinion of gf’s is crucial in this. Girls have a way of talking to their best friends even when the guy is being discrete. That is always key and i suspect the feedback on this from the white friends of most white women in a settled relationship who let it spill to a gf, and she to her gf, versus what it is in much of the black community, are pretty different.

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  65. OOOOMG BRETT BRETTERSON I ❤ U SO MUCH COME TO SADIE HAWKINS W/ ME?!??! *insert (lots of) glitter here*

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  66. This is because pregnancy and kids are never far from a woman’s subconscious thoughts,

    you have that right bud. We are always thinking about how to avoid pregnancy untilt the time is right. well at least those of us who think.

    so every experience can’t just be enjoyed on its own; it has to be dissected and analyzed to determine the man’s fit into the larger picture of house, husband, children, divorce theft bonanza.

    plenty of us don’t want children and some women are perfectly find with mr. right know but you are right that we analyze men in how they fit in with the larger picture.

    fun fact: women even analyze your facial features when first meeting you to imagine what children from the two of you may look like.

    I don’t know why Beyonce didn’t do this when she first laid eyes on Jay Z.

    yikes for her daughters.

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  67. more accepted. damn mild dyslexia.

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  68. on August 10, 2009 at 5:19 pm gunslingergregi

    “spanks poetry on the ass”

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  69. Chic Noir,

    Wait, wait, wait. Is this “analyzing of facial features” a continuation of the subconscious thing, or were you joking?

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  70. Guns, do not encourage my bad behavior. You might get glitter or an over-use of capital letters in your eye.

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  71. doug1 to
    Obsidian–

    It’s pure fronting to say that it “ain’t no thing” to play with other women when you’re in a LTR with one woman and she publicly identifies as your girlfriend and is herself loyal and exclusive

    off topic : doug you never cease to amaze me. you used slang properly yet you’re a 50 year white collared WM. we have some 20 somethings who can’t get it right in these parts.

    back on topic: MU I agree with doug. The reasons you are able to play off two women is because of:

    1.the much hyped more BS blk man shortage.

    2. Too many sisters won’t date out. some sisters won’t date non American blk men for example, much less a White, Asian or Hispanic male.

    3 women are willing to settle.

    4. some women only want top quality beef even if they have to share.

    P.S. bhetti, I’m not flirty

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  72. @ chic noir

    you have that right bud. We are always thinking about how to avoid pregnancy untilt the time is right. well at least those of us who think.

    SRSLY.

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  73. “sadie hawkins” ? they have those in orange county in the 21st century?

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  74. off-topic query
    Roissy/Maurice:

    The 80s dancefest where awesome wingwoman revealed her awesomeness: which bar was it at?

    [editor: tattoo.]

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  75. Oh, maurice, don’t be jealous of our rockin’ Sadie Hawkins dances. I totally would’ve asked you to be my date.

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  76. on August 10, 2009 at 5:40 pm gunslingergregi

    Just please don’t say stabbed lol

    Glitter I can handle maybe a capital letter at beginning of name.

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  77. poetry of flesh Wait, wait, wait. Is this “analyzing of facial features” a continuation of the subconscious thing, or were you joking?

    you don’t do the rundown subconscious thing?

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  78. poetry of flesh:
    Sometimes I wonder if this blog is about picking up women or picking up girls in junior high who frantically scribble boys’ names on their binder covers surrounded by little hearts, declaring themselves the future Mrs. Brett Bretterson complete with pink and yellow highlighter decorations.

    i’d rather date a girl trapped in a woman’s body scribbling my name in a binder with little hearts, than a cynic trapped in a woman’s body scribbling her name on divorce papers.

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  79. chic noir–

    doug you never cease to amaze me. you used slang properly yet you’re a 50 year white collared WM. we have some 20 somethings who can’t get it right in these parts.

    I hang with shockingly young women.

    (You graduated FIT didn’t you?) Just say *cough* to something addressed to me in the next day or two and you’ll tell me, if you’re gonna be all on the QT.)

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  80. Maybe I do it, as you said, subconsciously, but do I consciously look at a man with evaluation towards children/marriage/financially set up for life with divorce proceedings? No.

    My very summarized, general thought processes:

    Present Man A.

    Step One:
    Attractive/Desirable?
    No = Friend.
    Yes = Procede to Step Two.

    Step Two:
    Intelligent?
    No = One-Night-Stand.
    Yes = Procede to Step Three.

    Step Three:
    Asshole?
    Yes = Ongoing FWB (bi-weekly rotation, rarely leave bed).
    No = Ongoing FWB (weekly rotation, have casual dinners).
    Sometimes = Potential dating material, depending on multiple other criteria.

    Once I did think of procreation with a man, but that was only because he was incredibly gorgeous, charismatic, intelligent, and successful and I was like, “Whoa, ubermench babies!” Didn’t actually want to date him, though. Just wanted to store sperm for later reproductive use.

    In sum: Not really looking to date or breed right now.

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  81. Roissy,

    This might be a stupid question for you, but isn’t there a middle ground? Women who are not emotional and mental infants, as you so often describe them, but are also not financial vampires? Do these exist in your worldview?

    And without meaning to sound insulting, would you still prefer the little girls trapped in a woman’s body, even if balanced women did exist, just because the woman-childern are easier to control, manipulate, and mold into your desires? Truly not trying to attack you, just very curious.

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  82. chic noir

    some sisters won’t date non American blk men for example, much less a White, Asian or Hispanic male.

    The non Amerian blk men part amazes me. Why?

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  83. @poerty- I think blog owner may have been exaggerating about the divorce and marriage stuff.

    Once I did think of procreation with a man, but that was only because he was incredibly gorgeous, charismatic, intelligent, and successful and I was like, “Whoa, ubermench babies!” Didn’t actually want to date him, though. Just wanted to store sperm for later reproductive use

    I have too.
    fun fact: it was once kamal and in my earlier days here *hangs head in shame* DA.

    maybe women have different lists that run through our heads but I think it can be agreed upon that most of us do a 30 second run down. i wonder if Dana does a 30 second run down.

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  84. @poetry

    chic’s 30 second run down:

    1. does he look crazy

    2. does he give off the aura of serial killer, child molester, woman beater, rapist…

    3. what do his teeth and feet look like.

    4 . Is he handsome… is his stomach flat or almost flat.

    5. How intelligent is he.. things like low brow, open bottom lip and dense look are all dead giveaways.

    6. how tall is he…. ( I like them short or tall)

    7. does he look like a follower or a leader.

    8. this mofo has on brown kaki shorts, flip flops and a baseball cap.

    9 . is he a sweetheart 🙂

    Things that have turned chic off after a man has passed the initial test:

    1.This dude is as dumb as a bag of rocks.

    2. too dependant on his friends.

    3.this idiot has children already (with multiple women)

    4.he has no independent ideas or thoughts. Dude sounds like he memorizes the fox or cnn broadcasts.

    5.Is that his breath, my god.

    6. WTF happened to his feet.

    7.Was he raised in a two parent home or was his dad at least around

    8.how does he feel about his mom, sister and grandmother.

    9. does he have a warm look? (Comment_ whatever has a warm face)

    10. too emotional so what, we don’t argree, calm down homie .

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  85. Ahh, Roissy supplies more reasons to fuel the engine of the absurdist idea that porn is better than women. Porn doesn’t need romantic weekends or plays silly emotional games after said weekend.

    fun fact: it was once kamal and in my earlier days here *hangs head in shame* DA.

    Eww, a girl had a crush on me. I think I’m going to puke.

    It’s interesting that so many women still believe that.

    Theory: “My pussy is the best pussy in the world and I can make him love me based on it.”

    Same goes for arguments or PMS’s. If she gets bitchy with you in private*, just leave the room.

    Oddly, that’s the de facto policy that I maintain with Athena. When she’s moody and crabby when it’s “that time of the month”, I let her be, when she’s calmer, we return back to normal.

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  86. poetry:
    And without meaning to sound insulting, would you still prefer the little girls trapped in a woman’s body, even if balanced women did exist, just because the woman-childern are easier to control, manipulate, and mold into your desires?

    you make it sound like having the soul of a child is a bad thing.

    ps adjust your premises. i don’t fall in love with a woman because she’s “easy to control”.

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  87. Chic Noir,

    What’s up with the feet?

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  88. on August 10, 2009 at 6:33 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Meanwhile, in other news, the Second of the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance is getting closer.

    Touchable tactile-sensory hologram becomes reality.

    This will be cheaper/more scalable than sexbots. And of course, it benefits men who don’t even use this technology themselves, simply due to the ripple effects of the disruption to the landscape.

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  89. amen on the two down days post-vacation. too many men take the woman’s winding down personally.

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  90. Poetry–

    but are also not financial vampires

    Only the rare woman is a financial vampire before she marries a well off man, and usually not until a while afterwords either.

    It’s several years into the marriage where the newly in love bit fades off, that she too turns into a financial vampire in these uber female empowering and legally emasculating males times. Divorce and child support=alimony, the later of which can’t be changed by a prenup. It’s the feminist enacted divorce theft which has turned so many American wives into financial vampires and totally distored the balance of power within families. Which is just what feminists wanted.

    Men shouldn’t get married – or even have children (cause the same child support=alimony applies if not married but have kids). Until the law changes to minimal child support levels unless the husband abandons the wife without good cause or seriously and repeatedly beats her up. Not once. On the regular. None of this feminist “abuse” bullshiite. Most American women abuse their husbands emotionally far more than most husbands in any way abuse their wives.

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  91. DA

    Really chic noir? Well, I guess he does have intelligence in spades. But I’ve seen so many theoretically smart guys who are totally wrong and have zero emotional weight. Like that Patrick guy above who write “dumpage by text.”

    I get an immediate gut reaction of “eww” when I read stuff like that, or “woman depreciates in value fast,” “don’t call her,” etc. Fortunately, there are plenty of intelligent men with high empathy and self-discipline who don’t plot weird phone games and don’t have the emotional maturity of a dead roadkill.

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  92. Until the law changes

    Dude, we could return back to pre-1960s norms, and I’d still go to the grave believing that women are financial vampires, and that marriage is simply a transfer of a man’s wages to a woman. Stop trying to trick beta males with your pathetic mind tricks. Men can only be truly happy outside of marriage.

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  93. Chic Noir, what if a guy passed your 9 checkpoints but he had a giant, thick, purple, corkscrew-shaped barbed cock?

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  94. Roissy,

    I simply find it unhealthy to believe in attempting to keep a little over half the world’s population in a state of mental and emotional underdevelopment.

    As for souls, I don’t run spiritual, and I find the Hollywood image of the innocent young woman taming the wild bad boy with her childlike nature to be a sad idealization that causes too much grief and misconception.

    I will adjust my premises. I did not realize that all of this game for you was about finding love. Oddly, I was under the impression you were against falling in love, in your own way. My mistake, and I do apologize.

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  95. doug1,

    Is it safe to say that:

    Woman marries man –> Woman spends time with man –> Woman turns into financial vampire?

    I’d now like to theorize that the man must be the master vampire and we must call in the Frog Brothers so we can go to his lair and stake him to save Starr.

    80s humor aside, I’m curious as to if you feel that all women have the potential for financial-vampirism inside them, and simply being in an environment where they can exercise those tendencies (no matter what influence their husband has on them) causes them to wish to drain their so-to-be ex-partner’s financial gains, or if it is exposure to their partner that causes them to turn bitter and grasping?

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  96. Well, I guess he does have intelligence in spades.

    Funny joke.

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  97. @PA- I would run like hell.

    @ doug- most blk americans realize that their are differences amongst blks worldwide even if we share the same phentotype. culture counts a lot.

    I want to add that I’ve meet blk americans women who are just the opposite and for the most part only date blk men from the Carribean or Africa.

    @ hope- yes, really, DA.

    @poetry- I think it’s a cultural thing. Having beat up rundown feet is looked down upon in African-American culture. since you live in DC, I’m sure you’ve seen blk women with their toenails painted. Even if the rest of their person is on high alert, they will keep those feet together.

    Fun fact: most blk comedians have a few jokes about dating someone with rundown feet.

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  98. on August 10, 2009 at 6:58 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Woman marries man –> Woman spends time with man –> Woman turns into financial vampire?

    In the Anglosphere, in the 90% of the cases where the man makes more than the woman, yes. There is a whole infrastructure, from the media to the divorce court, that encourages otherwise decent women into doing this.

    Sometimes couples are truly in love, sometimes the woman makes a lot more, and sometimes the woman cares enough about the kids to not do it. But these instances are shrinking.

    In the olden days, this was much less the case. There were no stipulations in divorce laws that the woman gets anything. And since the husband worked in a family business (farm, trade, shop, or whatever), his income (and even the house) was the property of the husband’s parents (who lived with them) until the parents died (by which time the husband and wife themselves were 45-50). The possibility of a wife getting a windfall without consequences, without social shame, or without rigorous burden of proof was just not there.

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  99. “you make it sound like having the soul of a child is a bad thing.”

    You’re reframing, she’s not talking about ‘soul’ (though btw yes, an adult with the soul of a child is a very bad thing, children are gullible and short-sighted and without a strong adult around are liable to turn into nasty little brutes). That they undeniably can be really cute (when all their needs are being met) doesn’t change that.

    Anyway, since I’m curious, let’s say you have your choice of four 9’s who are basically equal both in looks and in emotional development but intellectually are very different:

    1. dumb as a box of hair. flighty and doesn’t realize DC isn’t a state. hard to talk to about any subject except a) how pretty she is b) how cool you are c) I forget but it’s kind of interesting, isn’t it?

    2. not dumb, but no firecracker. middling to poor public education and no further ambitions to develop her mind, such as it is.

    3. naturally smart but untrained. has lots of dumb ideas (from sub-standard public education and state university system) but learns quickly and usually doesn’t need to be told about the difference between the house and senate more than once.

    4. smart and educated. not above calling your bluff in private when she knows more about a topic than you do (at least a third of the time) but demures in public and waits until your friends are gone before very tactfully mentioning that no, the overture of 1812 was not written for the American war of the same year.

    Which has the most LTR potential?

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  100. Horseman,

    So, are you saying that it is -purely- social pressure and/or acceptance that causes these women to do this, not something like natural greed that takes over, or getting used to a lifestyle and the fear of its sudden departure?

    Chic Noir,

    I’m not in DC, but Los Angeles. Whoo west coast and all that. And… huh. I’d never heard that before. What are the cultural associations with bad feet? Is it flatfeet, feet that turn in or out, malformed toes, just really beat-up calloused feet… all of the above? How strong a prejudice is this? Would an otherwise near physically perfect man be turned down aside because of it?

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  101. Poetry–

    Everyone in the world thinks that married American women are the most bitter and grasping women in the world. Except some in the middle of it totally propagandized lickspittle beta Amercan men of left liberal persuasion. Everyone in the world is right.

    No one in the world thinks that American men are the worst to their women in the world. Most think they’re the best, or right up there.

    It’s feminist laws and feminist culture Poetry pure and simple.

    Feminism has taught American women that if the depth romantic/sexual attraction for their husband falters or if after awhile another man catches their fancy more, then obviously that’s their husband’s fault. News flash for you Poetry. These things always happen in virtually every marriage to the extent the woman lets it happen. Women know this happens re: their husbands physical attraction to them but they’ve been taught to put this down to “men are dogs” and that men simply have to be punished and threatened to resist those temptations. Funny how women now feel so free to indulge them. Funny how it’s women who virtually always take money from a man even when it’s they that already have or want to fall in love with someone else.

    Therefore even if they are raising young children with him they have a right, neigh a duty to “stop living a lie”, get a divorce and soak him with divorce theft = the house he paid for, half or more of his net savings, the legal costs of the divorce, and child support=alimony, which can amount to 50% of his after tax income for high earners in a high tax state. Meanwhile she keeps ALL of her income. Plus maybe shares in that of a man that she sees or moves in.

    Incentives matter.

    There is a theory that American men don’t run LTR game nearly enough or at all and that thus it’s their fault. To the extent this is true more than in other countries this too is due to the excessive nice guy and wife compliance messages of American feminist culture.

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  102. Which has the most LTR potential?

    I’d say 4 since she doesn’t need training. 3 seems tolerable.

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  103. Cliff –

    3

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  104. on August 10, 2009 at 7:24 pm The Fifth Horseman

    So, are you saying that it is -purely- social pressure and/or acceptance that causes these women to do this, not something like natural greed that takes over, or getting used to a lifestyle and the fear of its sudden departure?

    Social acceptance COMBINED with legal incentives through the divorce court. Most people think that if something is legal, it is automatically moral too. Rationalization (which women do instead of really think) is easy. That is partly why you don’t see free Muslim women condemning the oppression of burqa’ed Muslim women. It is the norm, thus it is acceptable to the female mind.

    or getting used to a lifestyle and the fear of its sudden departure?

    What does this mean? The law is that the woman’s lifestyle should be maintained no matter how unfair it is to the man, even if the man did nothing wrong. That is why 90% of divorces are directly or indirectly initiated by women.

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  105. Which has the most LTR potential?

    None of the four. Good natural intelligence, normal curiosity but little education beyond college-prep high school degree, a healthy amount of common sense, sense of humor and lighthearted attitude is best for LTRs.

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  106. The Fifth Horseman:

    Meanwhile, in other news, the Second of the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance is getting closer.

    Touchable tactile-sensory hologram becomes reality.

    This will be cheaper/more scalable than sexbots. And of course, it benefits men who don’t even use this technology themselves, simply due to the ripple effects of the disruption to the landscape.

    One of my favorite movies from the 80’s was “Brainstorm”, and your posts always remind me of that scene where Christopher Walken’s dad took the strip of “memo-tape” and looped it on endless repeat where all he did was convulse in orgasm after orgasm while he was hallucinating fucking a hot chick.

    David Alexander would be proud.

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  108. I want a memo-tape of Pupu.

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  109. on August 10, 2009 at 7:33 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Tupac,

    The thing is, I won’t be buying these technologies myself (unless and until they became really mainstream), but I am eagerly anticipating the massive swing of the pendulum away from the privileged status that SWPL women enjoy today, and think is permanent and not at risk.

    Much like typewriters after MS Word, or landlines after cellphones, the rebalancing will be fast, and will be great to see.

    The dumbfounded reactions of ‘what the fuck just happened to our power position?’ is what I want to see….

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  110. Poetry

    @horsemen: So, are you saying that it is -purely- social pressure and/or acceptance that causes these women to do this, not something like natural greed that takes over, or getting used to a lifestyle and the fear of its sudden departure?

    The later two are constant anywhere. It’s social pressure/acceptance created by the feminist culture, and the laws which are uniquely bad in America and Britain. (Britain post the 60s has tended to follow America on feminism, along with the rest of the Anglosphere.)

    As for her getting used to a lifestyle, so what? Marriage is a contract, a deal. She’s leaving it. Why should she get to enjoy what he can provide when she’s no longer providing him sex and love and companionship?

    the whole maintaining lifestyle sob story was designed to appeal to a time when divorces to well off men able to pay anything in a divorce usually, or the media said usually, occurred when he wants to run off with a hot young thing even though she’s kept herself up admirably and is a wonderful wife. Always a minority of cases.

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  111. Horseman–

    Your constant fantasizing about and going on and on about sexbot technology is pure end times dreaming. It gets old.

    And pathetic.

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  112. on August 10, 2009 at 7:38 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Agreed Tood…I would also add that it is not just social acceptance…but active social encouragement.

    In this age of female empowerment, her emotional state is now all that is necessary for her to assume that mindset and take advantage of it.

    It all starts with her feeling contempt for her husband and not respecting him.

    – “He wasn’t meeting my needs.”
    – “I just fell out of love.”
    – “I needed to find myself.”

    When a women is contemptuous of her husband, she can rationalized and explain away ANYTHING she does as “his fault” – which is why so many women will cheat on their husbands and the husband is the guy begging and grovelling on his knees for forgiveness..all the way into his divorce court-ordered bondage of alimony and child support.

    And usually she’ll have family members and/or a close friend or group of friends that play the cheerleader as well….filling her head with all kinds of excuses and justifications to use the fullest extent of the law to take her husband to the cleaners, even if she knows deep down he did nothing wrong other than become “boring.”

    “Girl, you deserve so much better than him!”

    In this way, many, many women who get married with no intentions at all of divorcing and taking advantage of the system to turn her husband into a wage slave/deadbeat…but “fall out of love” and turn into “financial vampires” through cultural cues and peer pressure that help her to rationalize what any objective person can plainly see is an injustice.

    The thing is, this kind of encouragement of women to break up their families and run to divorce court to emasculate and financially enslave their ex-husbands has now become so culturally acceptable, one can often listen in on women talking in public, and here them telling each other the kinds of justifications and rationalizations to get each other to go get divorced.

    I’ve heard a group of women at lunch in a restaurant telling one of the members of their party all of those lines “You deserve to be happy!”
    “He’s not meeting your needs! You should find a man that can and will! Why should you settle for anything less?”
    “Don’t worry, the kids will be fine…they can still see him on the weekends!

    I wanted to take my drink and food and throw in all of their faces.

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  113. on August 10, 2009 at 7:38 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Always a minority of cases.

    I am finding that as the biggest excuse the feminOrcs have, particularly after the ‘Game Can Save Lives’ epic battle.

    In current US divorce laws, the woman gets screwed 10% of the time by a deadbeat lowlife, and the man gets screwed 90% of the time. The feminist use that 10% as ‘proof’ of how ‘women suffer more during divorce’ (even though she initiated it). They get huge mileage out of that 10%, to conduct a smoke and mirrors act to avoid the 90% from being noticed.

    Beth or Butt or whoever kept insisting that the woman ‘deserves tobe paid’ for the ‘unpaid work she did in the marriage’ of raising the kids, etc. No society in human history has ever had such a lopsided view of entitlement. Nor could Beth/Butt admit that if the *women* intiated divorce, why should she still get paid?

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  114. if you’ve got discretionary cash and you like her so much that you don’t mind wasting a trip to Italy on her instead of pursuing the local Italian women

    very true. You should avoid at all costs places with hot women (i.e Buenos Aires) and chose instead places with ugly people (Northeast of Brazil) or hipster places (Macchu Picchu is an example) where the people is ugly and the tourists, even females, have beards.

    If you bring your girl to Cuzco, you may find yourself in the enviable position of having the only girl in town who is beautiful and averages at least one bath per day

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  115. on August 10, 2009 at 7:44 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Horseman–

    Your constant fantasizing about and going on and on about sexbot technology is pure end times dreaming. It gets old.

    These are actual news releases from research labs (and not sexbots, but rather 3-D holograms). And it affects all of the subjects we discuss here, particularly the supply/demand of the Game equation. Roissy has written multiple articles on the subject, which is what got me thinking in the first place.

    And pathetic.

    That is one opinion. Other opinions could say the same about some of your passtimes here, which are far larger in comment volume and definitely of less interest to a third-party audience.

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  116. doug1,
    Point to you. Your logic makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it. Well, all but the fourth paragraph, which seems more speculation and opinion, but if you can back it up, I’m totally down to read it.

    Horseman,
    I did not think of it that way, and I should have. When something becomes legal, people automatically assume that someone it becomes morally sound, and for the legal system to back divorce laws as they obviously do, it really is telling women that it is ethical for them to drain the men they once loved.

    doug1+Horseman,
    On the lifestyle point, I wasn’t condoning it at all. I just think that people become used to a certain level of living, and expect it to be maintained after divorce, and use that as their justification.

    I also think that the social ramifications of the potential popularity and access to sexbots are fascinating to think about, whether or not it becomes an easily affordable reality. But people are also very touch-based, and I wonder if the influence of having no real physical contact with another being will have psychological impact.

    Until that happens, though, I will continue to entertain myself by looking at the Real Doll doctor sites to see what men willing to drop $6K on a sex doll do to damage said dolls, and occasionally email those photos to my friends.

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  117. DFH:

    I wanted to take my drink and food and throw in all of their faces.

    I prefer:

    “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a woman’s face— forever.”

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  118. doug1
    Horseman–

    Your constant fantasizing about and going on and on about sexbot technology is pure end times dreaming. It gets old.

    And pathetic

    gotta say I agree with doug, tood. I don’t get why you are so into sexbots. blowup dolls are much cheaper. furthermore, you can’t bring a sexbot to meet your mom with a str8 face.

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  119. Barring a quantuum leap in technology, the best non-woman approximation of the sensation of banging a 10 is your hand. The moment before coming is almost as vivid as the real thing.

    At best, barring a quantum leap in thechnology, fucking a sexbot will be like putting yoru erect cock into a high-amperage mechanical contraption that feels like a catatonic girl with fine body spandex under a defibrillator.

    Besides, sexbots do not offer what real women do: seduction, ego validation, and intimacy.

    But to get sci-fi about it, I sooner envsion a nordic goddess and leggy latina hatchery for gentlemens’ services before I do viable sexbots. When Japs and Chinamen get some DNA from Penelope Cruz and Danish coeds, Shanghai and Osaka will be the biggest tourist hotspots in the history of humanity.

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  120. PA:

    Besides, sexbots do not offer what real women do: seduction, ego validation

    I stand shoulder to shoulder with Lucifer on this one.

    The need for ego-validation from women is what makes you weak.

    Psychologically needing women = beta

    Humans should strive to validate themselves.

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  121. Good natural intelligence, normal curiosity but little education beyond college-prep high school degree, a healthy amount of common sense, sense of humor and lighthearted attitude is best for LTRs.

    Pray that you live forever with no health problems, lest your wife have to find work to support the kids incase of disability or death.

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  122. Besides… whey you’re done with your sock, you toss it into the hamper. But with a sexbot, you gotta clean her/it.

    Heh. Which reminds me. I was once driving from Missouri to Maryland… somewhere in eastern Kentucky, as the evening came on and the silence of the car and the noise of my wandering thoughts — and the fact that I was a pumped up 24 year old — made me so fuckng horny.

    So I started playing with my cock, which didn’t help matters. So I slipped off my shoe, pulled off my sock, and “banged a 10” right there on that road. And tossed the sock out the window at 75 mph. It would have been funny if it stuck to someone’s windshield 😀

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  123. Humans should strive to validate themselves.

    You do that with your right hand or your left one?

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  124. DA:

    Pray that you live forever with no health problems, lest your wife have to find work to support the kids incase of disability or death.

    Who said anything about marriage.

    I have health insurance, nigga.

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  125. the problem with marriage is that the decline in status of the female is irreversible. She ages. Period. She is used

    the status of the male tends to increase, meanwhile. Aging can be compensated by cash, and betayzation is like diabetes, a bad thing easily avoidable if you do what is obviously right .

    so feminists realized that almost every man had the potential to leave his aging wife, but they forgot to tell people that in every single species on Earth the number of men who effectively take the polygamous route is a small minority, and those who do it do it on average with much more than 2 females

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  126. PA:

    Humans should strive to validate themselves.

    You do that with your right hand or your left one?

    I do it with my brain.

    The sopping wet vag I plunge into is the gravy.

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  127. not funny tupac

    don’t forget one half of you is naturally tanned too.

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  128. Chic –

    just playin

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  129. don’t forget one half of you is naturally tanned too.

    Nah Chic. He’s a European Man who fronts like he’s Lateeeeno because his mom’s Columbian or something. His parents looked something like this when he was made:

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3588266240/tt0221027

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  130. Chic –

    just playin

    we still cool 😎

    Actually tupac, both you and PA both have points.

    1. tupac- it’s weak to depend of others for your self esteem.

    2. PA- Men often measure themselves according to how many people they can bring under their control. Having a woman desire or love you is in some ways a form of control

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  131. . So I slipped off my shoe, pulled off my sock

    side story

    I once dated a doctor, a gynecologist. She was telling me about a boy who wanted to masturbate and decided to fuck a mellon.

    To beter simulate the vagina, he put the mellon in the microwave, took it out, made a hole in it, and banged to poor thing. But it was much hotter inside than outside.

    so his dick got stuck inside and he had to the the hospital so that my girl could cut the mellon piece by piece. He lost all that thin skin over the penis, but as she said it would regrow.

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  132. gig–

    How often does divorce happen to males in the upper quarter of income in Brazil?

    What are divorce settlements like in Brazil?

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  133. Doug,
    Please, please, please, do not go there-Style had no less that SEVEN Women, NONE of whom were Black, in his “harem”. Please read The Game, it’s all there. This ain’t a Race thing, its a Game thing, and I’ll say it again, it’s all about how strong your Frame & Game is. If you do it right, you won’t have much problem finding a Woman who’ll be cool w/you having a little something on the side.

    Robert Greene even discusses this in The Art of Seduction, though he doesn’t do so openly, its kind of “in passing”-virtually all of the European powers of the past few centuries had professional Hoes who serviced the Big Men of the time, and you believe their wives knew the deal.

    If you’ve done it then you know the deal, Doug, what’s the problem? And while I’m the first one to note real cultural differences and the like, I gotta say here that this thing is universal. If you’re a Man w/the Right Stuff, you can get your Mack On w/little trouble.

    O

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  134. Chic:

    2. PA- Men often measure themselves according to how many people they can bring under their control. Having a woman desire or love you is in some ways a form of control

    Da troof

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  135. actually it was not a mellon, but I don´t know the name in English. I think it is called papaya, it is shaped like a bell and is orange inside

    guys with little boys should take care with tropical fruits. they are bangable

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  136. Doug,

    Please, please, please, do not go there-Style had no less that SEVEN Women, NONE of whom were Black, in his “harem”.

    to buttress mu’s point about players being of many races. how about the White men from those moron sects. They kick out younger men for the smallest of offenses so they can collect more poon. Some of those guys have 4+ wives.

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  137. on August 10, 2009 at 8:36 pm The Fifth Horseman

    how about the White men from those moron sects

    Moron sects?

    Sounds like ‘moron sex’.

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  138. The sex life of men or at least many men is way better before marriage now in American than ever before.

    Their sex and relationship life after marriage is way worse now for men in America than ever before.

    Divorce is the biggest horror show its ever been anywhere at anytime now for American men, and that divorce theft is at her disposal any time after she marries you, or worse, plops out that second kid, the last you’ll ever be able to afford from anyone.

    Marriage is male indentured servitude, at the wife’s option.

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  139. opps

    Mormon

    sorry 🙂

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  140. Agreed doug1.

    The point men need to realize is that marriage 1.0 was murdered by feminists, and now we have marriage 2.0, which is absolutely terminally toxic for men. So the only realistic option for men who want to interact with women is Game, and avoiding marriage, cohabitation (treated like marriage in too many places) and children as if each was a symptom of the plague.

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  141. doug Their sex and relationship life after marriage is way worse now for men in America than ever before.

    you really think so?

    I am sure than were many women from the 1920’s who just laid there. I think the problem for you doug is, you like sex a lot, much more than most women. You will have a hard time finding a virtuous (acc to your def) woman who can keep up with you. You may have to sacrifice low number of partners for a woman who match your level of freakiness.

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  142. on August 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm The Fifth Horseman

    chic noir,

    I did not talk about ‘sexbots’ at all. I linked to a press release from a resource laboratory about tactile holograms from ultrasonic pressure.

    That has nothing to do with robotics (I hope you know).

    furthermore, you can’t bring a sexbot to meet your mom with a str8 face.

    You still don’t get it. You never will. It is not about a ‘relationship’ but rather the reduction in power that currently is lopsided.

    Roissy explained the whole thing very well, which is what got me thinking in the first place.

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  143. Hope

    Fortunately, there are plenty of intelligent men with high empathy and self-discipline who don’t plot weird phone games and don’t have the emotional maturity of a dead roadkill.

    Yes, it is so fortunate that those men exist out there, especially for those very emotionally mature women who leave their husbands for men they meet on MMORPGs.

    Of course, men who develop relationships with married women on video games are the most mature, intelligent men of all. They are shining, proud examples of masculinity that all men should look up to, especially because they raid on vent and have access to epic drops (some of them are even wizards!).

    Perhaps in the real world, these men would be beaten to bloody pulp (most likely they would run and scream like little girls), but due to video game technology they are the most masculine, attractive men in the world.

    We all admire them, Hope. Just like we admire those upstanding women who cheat on their husbands with their gaming partners.

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  144. Re: Novaseeker and Doug

    There is no fundamental difference between Marriage 1.0 and Marriage 2.0 because both require the seizure of men’s assets to support others. The only freedom for men exists outside of marriage or any fixed relationship with a woman.

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  145. Dave Alex,

    You said:

    “on August 10, 2009 at 6:44 pm David Alexander

    Until the law changes

    Dude, we could return back to pre-1960s norms, and I’d still go to the grave believing that women are financial vampires, and that marriage is simply a transfer of a man’s wages to a woman. Stop trying to trick beta males with your pathetic mind tricks. Men can only be truly happy outside of marriage.”

    Question: was your recently departed father unhappy being married to your mother? Did you ever ask him about this, and if so, what was his response? If not, why?

    Thanks.

    O

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  146. For instance, since I no longer require female validation, I could very well ape the emotions of a “sensitive man”, to ensnare someone like Nicole’s hot friend DANA, where Dana might think she found someone who is “different”, who is “not like the rest” and I would thereby sneak around her slut shield. All the same to me. Gettin’ the nut is paramount.

    As for Dana?

    Alas:

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  147. was your recently departed father unhappy being married to your mother? Did you ever ask him about this, and if so, what was his response? If not, why?

    I’m not sure. That was one of the things that I never had the chance to ask him.

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  148. Obsidian–

    More platonic spheres thinking.

    Yes there are vast differences in how easy it is to do within black culture versus how hard within white.

    Though from what I can tell it’s pretty hard to do with higher end black girls as well. usually. But not as hard.

    Of course it’s a game thing and a how good your lovin thing is and all that. Those are the prerequisites.

    If you’ve done it then you know the deal, Doug, what’s the problem?

    I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t take a LOT more game to pull of in all but lower level white circles – and a lot more finding the right, hot, receptive girl, usually. That Style could do it doesn’t make it easy.

    Two way open isn’t hard to find at all, in some circles.

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  149. @pa – “Chic Noir, what if a guy passed your 9 checkpoints but he had a giant, thick, purple, corkscrew-shaped barbed cock?”

    Are you trying to tempt her with your appendage? She must have small breasts. 😉

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  150. She must have small breasts.

    Small breasts, how a crush was easily destroyed by a lack of femininity in a white girl who had nails, makeup, and heels.

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  151. POF said to Roissy – “Oddly, I was under the impression you were against falling in love, in your own way. My mistake, and I do apologize.”

    Here’s my theory – he’s already in love. I sense it.

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  152. Yes, it is so fortunate that those men exist out there, especially for those very emotionally mature women who leave their husbands for men they meet on MMORPGs.

    Of course, men who develop relationships with married women on video games are the most mature, intelligent men of all. They are shining, proud examples of masculinity that all men should look up to, especially because they raid on vent and have access to epic drops (some of them are even wizards!).

    Perhaps in the real world, these men would be beaten to bloody pulp (most likely they would run and scream like little girls), but due to video game technology they are the most masculine, attractive men in the world.

    We all admire them, Hope. Just like we admire those upstanding women who cheat on their husbands with their gaming partners.

    Nods and offers condolences.

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  153. David Alexander,

    You do have a point about marriage 1.0 being not much better than marriage 2.0. Both benefit women over men, though the old version was less riskier for men.

    I personally have never seen any purpose in existence other than what I choose to (and that is why marriage is worthless to me- either way). I just want sex, and buying it looks like a bad option until you compare it to the other options.

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  154. chic noir

    doug- Their sex and relationship life after marriage is way worse now for men in America than ever before.

    you really think so?

    Yes.

    I am sure than were many women from the 1920’s who just laid there.

    The roaring 20s were a pretty sexually adventurous time.

    Anyway no woman I’d now pick would just lie there, not once I’d seduced and trained her up. She might be pretty innocent before, but that would end.

    It’s the poisonous attitudes towards male leadership and dominance, and the encouragement in the media to blame everything in marriage on men that are taught in our media now Chic.

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  155. Chic makes a good point, Doug, and really this is something that is applicable for all of us: we all have to make tradeoffs based on our individual priorities. If hot sex is very important to you, then you have to find a Woman who’s down w/that, but just know that you’ll have to tradeoff some things to get it. I know, I’ve been there, and didn’t like it.

    On the other hand if having a “good wifey” is important, again, just know you have to make some important tradeoffs. Really hot sex may be one of them, and again, trust me, I know, I didn’t like that.

    So we have to try and find a balance, I know I did, and I guess I got lucky.

    Anyway, harem mangement is nothing new. Read your Qur’an or Kama Sutra. Both give detailed instructions as to how to go about it.

    O

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  156. Speaking of small breastesess, PA, did you see the Joan Rivers roast with comedianne Whitney Cummings? I never heard of her before but she got Tupac SPRUNG. Pushed all my lovemap buttons (except for the brash personality, that is). Just my physical type:

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  157. Tupac Chopra,

    You are agreeing with me, interesting…

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  158. Heheheh…Sorry, Tupac, but Dana’s standards are higher than most. You’d have to get past her “rainbow entourage” of hot girls of many nationalities, and still be interested in talking to her. She keeps them around as camouflage.

    I shouldn’t say too much because I think I’ve referred some of the wash outs to this site.

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  159. Men should ask themselves a simple question

    What do I want?

    Once you define the “I” part, it is obvious that most of what you thought you wanted was validation from others. Essentially you are born alone and you will die alone and no human can give you what you truly desire.

    The next question is:

    Why do I want to make others happy?

    The logical answer is “quid pro quo”. If there is no “quid pro quo” you are just wasting your effort.

    Symbiosis is desirable, Commensalism is ok but Parasitism is NOT ok.

    Need I say more..

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  160. Dave Alex,
    I really don’t have a dog in this fight, but I can tell you that quite a few Men are quite happy in their marriages. I also happen to know quite a few single guys who do well for themselves.

    My point here Dave, is that once again, you know-KNOW-not of what you speak. You’re too lazy to even live life, and would rather others to live it for you. No wonder you’re such a failure.

    Oh, and too bad you never talked to your dad. Me and mine did, especially on his last day and night in this world. I know, for a fact, that he was very happy w/my mom, w/us kids. I knew that he loved me, and he knew that I loved him.

    I feel very sorry for you, Dave. I feel sorry for you, not because of the choices you make, or the things you do, but because of the ways in which you limit yourself, and for the reasons that you do it.
    It’s sad. So very, very sad.

    O

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  161. Marriage 1.0 = mostly Commensalism.

    Marriage 2.0 = mostly Parasitism

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  162. Nicole:

    Heheheh…Sorry, Tupac, but Dana’s standards are higher than most.

    What is it? Peen? Dough? Inches?

    You’d have to get past her “rainbow entourage” of hot girls of many nationalities, and still be interested in talking to her. She keeps them around as camouflage.

    I’ve played jealousy plotlines before.

    I shouldn’t say too much because I think I’ve referred some of the wash outs to this site.

    I want the queen bee. 😉

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  163. A pathogenic virus infects one cell, hijack it’s resources, profits, kills host cell and moves on to another healthy cell (and repeats the cycle).

    PS- Many viruses do not kill their host cell (and either coexist or cause minimal harm).

    You draw the analogy.

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  164. Lucifer:

    Tupac Chopra,

    You are agreeing with me, interesting…

    All roads lead to hell.

    Eventually…

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  165. @tood- I apologize, I think doug and I confused you with tool.

    @tupac -Henry Rollins has one of the most masculine looking faces ever. His jaw is epic. In all likelihood he may have a low sperm count because some much testosterone went to building that jaw.

    http://www.youmightfindyourself.com/post/158440943

    Smash or trash fellas? Scarlett lite(no pun)!

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  166. Lucifer–

    You and DA are both pathetic wimpy sexual losers.

    It’s one thing to not be able to stand the current American divorce laws and attitudes, and the attitudes which govern American marriage.

    Such as that an American wife, according to feminism, has no duty to give her husband sex in return for supporting her in whole or in part but instead can withhold it for extra goodies/presents, getting her way on anything she wants, and so on.

    It’s something else to oppose western marriage 1.0 or all marriage.

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  167. Miley Cyrus pole danced during Teen Choice Awards

    http://www.examiner.com/x-5019-San-Diego-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d10-Miley-Cyrus-pole-danced-during-Teen-Choice-Awards

    Sweet, young, and darling Miley Cyrus performed at this year’s Teen Choice Awards on Fox. Cyrus, 16, performed her new song, “Party in the USA,” at Gibson Amphitheater, Universal City.

    While performing “Party in the USA,” Cyrus danced around a dance pole on top of an ice cream cart, where she shocked the crowd. Along with her pole dancing, Cyrus also striked many seductive poses as she performed.

    Cyrus who won 6 surf boards from the tween award show, dressed in short shorts, leather biker boots, and a ton of jewelery, sparked another controversy for doing things too young for her age.

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  168. Are you trying to tempt her with your appendage?

    Chic answered the question about the huge barbed appendage badly. Now, had she said “I’d take that anaconda into my delicate little hands and lovingly file down those barbs before I ride it to ecstatic oblivion…” I’d know she has female Game.

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  169. Are you trying to tempt her with your appendage?

    Chic answered the question about the huge barbed appendage badly. Now, had she said “I’d take that anaconda into my delicate little hands and lovingly file down those barbs before I ride it to ecstatic oblivion…” I’d know she has female Game.

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  170. doug1,

    At the rate I am going, I will cross into the 4 digit mark in a couple of years.

    Sure, I buy sex- but so what? Is there really any difference between hot professional pussy or hot amateur pussy?

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  171. @tood- I apologize, I think doug and I confused you with tool.

    @tupac -Henry Rollins has one of the most masculine looking faces ever. His jaw is epic. In all likelihood he may have a low sperm count because some much testosterone went to building that jaw

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  172. Doug
    The roaring 20s were a pretty sexually adventurous time.

    With the flappers sure but I can’t imagine what they had would equal what we have now. Women didn’t have various forms of birthcontrol then. The stigma towards having a child out of wedlock was crippling.

    Anyway no woman I’d now pick would just lie there, not once I’d seduced and trained her up. She might be pretty innocent before, but that would end.

    *wipes steam from computer screen*
    Dang Bhetti, you better be ready(hi steve, 2 rhymes). Doug is going to train you and work you out.

    It’s the poisonous attitudes towards male leadership and dominance, and the encouragement in the media to blame everything in marriage on men that are taught in our media now Chic.

    I don’t agree. Women don’t enjoy sex as much as men do because hormonally we are different and we are socialized to believe that only bad girls really enjoy sex. I’m sure the more sexually liberated females(like poetry?) still struggle with the nurture end of the angle even if they can match the average male hormonally.

    mu we all have to make tradeoffs based on our individual priorities. If hot sex is very important to you, then you have to find a Woman who’s down w/that, but just know that you’ll have to tradeoff some things to get it.

    you hit it on the nose mu.

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  173. Tupac, you’re welcome to join the crowd if you like.

    Good luck standing out in it.

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  174. doug1,

    On second thought, if you are careful about your escort selection and do adequate research on review boards- you are rarely unhappy.

    My underwhelming experience ratio is less than 10%… and I have never caught anything from an escort. I do not think you can say the same about girls that you pick up from bars.

    and I have a professional background in the area of bugs and diseases.

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  175. Tupac, with Chic saying you’re half-tanned, I think she’s overstating it, with your mom being Columbian or something. I picture your parents looking like this when you were created:

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  176. @pa- I have no game. I am the female DA lite.

    Lucifer
    Miley Cyrus pole danced during Teen Choice Awards

    SMDH
    lurker and I may bang heads but this is one topic he and I agree on. She is still under 18 so I don’t know why her parents allowed her to do this. 20 bucks says she will be a drinker, smoker and maybe drink user by the time she turns 21.

    the dumbest thing her parents can allow her to do is spin out of control before she becomes an adult. Look at Lindsey Lohan.

    Miley even had her 21 year boyfriend( handsome like epoxy) spend the night when she was only15/16 year old. What parent read father would allow that. This isn’t about feminism this is about parents allowing their children to run the show.

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  177. Chic –

    If she’s old enough to bleed, she’s old enough breed. 😉

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  178. though the old version was less riskier for men

    Bitter, loveless wife on marriage 1.0 -> still lived with you, but took 95% of your income.
    Bitter, loveless wife in marriage 2.0 -> you no longer deal with day to day responsibilities for the kids, you don’t have to see her ugly, aged face on a daily basis, and you only hand her at most, 70% of your income

    Again, I fail to see how marriage 1.0 is better.

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  179. No PA, IIRC tupac mentioned that his mom was brown. Sorry bud, tupac is not Storm F approved. but I like him anyway 🙂

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  180. chic noir,

    I don’t think she is too young. The whole ’18’ thing is a legal construct.

    Having said that, most of her fan base consists of tween girls. That is not such a bad thing.. some teen boys will be very thankful in a year or two (if you know what I mean).

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  181. PA:

    My dad wasn’t a skeezer like Depp.

    He looked like Robert Redford when he was young.

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  182. David Alexander,

    You could masturbate inside her in version 1.0.

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  183. chic, henry rollins sweated on me at club pizzazz in 1987. he was gorgeous

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  184. Lucifer- if she was your daughter you might think otherwise. If she 10 year old daughter was a fan you would certainly think otherwise.

    tupac He looked like Robert Redford when he was young.

    tupac to Chic –
    If she’s old enough to bleed, she’s old enough breed
    I had some small jerk say that to me when I was 13.

    my reply- I have a knife, I can take your life.
    j/k

    robert redford is the one pure vanilla that I hear older blk women talk about.

    Tupac & Lucifer , youtube is down for now but I have a video of Kim Kardasian’s youngest sister, who is 11, dressed up like a 21 year old . She looked every bit of 25. Last season as a ten year old, she pole danced on the show.

    if you are out there lurker, come out and rage about this miley performance

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  185. chic noir,

    I do not care about women, even if they are related to me.

    I just don’t care..

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  186. Small breasts, how a crush was easily destroyed by a lack of femininity in a white girl who had nails, makeup, and heels.

    Exactly 10 years ago I was banging a tall, leggy blonde with a procelain doll face and, alas, natural tittles that were too big for her frame. Objectively, she was a solid 9.

    I still remember my thoughts when she cuddled up to me after sex: “damn… if she had a flat little chest, or maye a-cups, she’d be so much hotter.”

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  187. @ doug

    the law is as bad as in the US, since it was mostly copied from there and supported by the lovely American NGOs
    but with massive tax evasion, most wealthy men can hide their assets through what we call laranjas (=oranges), usually poor, dumb people who depend on you.

    you can have large farms whose supposed owner works as a servant there without even knowing he owns the place

    I have done it myslef. in the best IPOs here, the Stock exchange usually puts limits to how much each individual can invest. So I created accounts for 3 workers in my father´s farm and invest through their names. my trips through south america were financed this way

    And men here are way less beta than in the US. I have a friend studying in his PhD in Michigan and he describes White Americans as 99% o m e g a s. men here can see the divorce coming.

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  188. lol @ dana. Yeah his manliness is something to behold. He is/was very muscular at one point. I bet it takes him little to nothing to bulk up.

    I’m too much of a chump to ever date a man who looks like that. I will admire from a distance.

    Anyway, while one part of me sees manly man(lust), the other part of me imagines that he can be very mean even brutal.

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  189. My condolences as well, Welmer.

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  190. Chic:

    Anyway, while one part of me sees manly man(lust), the other part of me imagines that he can be very mean even brutal.

    Fraidy cat

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  191. I will cross into the 4 digit mark

    anyway, whenever you see a couple holding hands and the girl laughing with the guy, you hurt inside. and you hide yourself from it in your work

    I had a boss like you Lucifer. I know what it is like. The moron would work like hell, since he had no friends to relaxwith and no girl waiting for. also a huge user of hookers.

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  192. You could masturbate inside her in version 1.0.

    We have porn now. Porn delivers a woman who’s hotter than the average woman, and a mixture of baby oil and lotion makes for more fun than a dry pussy and it’s awful excuse for a fake orgasm.

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  193. If she is no taller than 3ft 4in you can do an airplane fuck.

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  194. http:// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaomcV27os

    Lucifer

    hear the vibe you would never feel.

    Last night I dreamt of San Pedro
    Just like I’d never gone, I knew the song
    A young girl with eyes like the desert
    It all seems like yesterday, not far away

    Tropical the island breeze
    All of nature wild and free
    This is where I long to be
    La isla bonita
    And when the samba played
    The sun would set so high
    Ring through my ears and sting my eyes
    Your Spanish lullaby

    I fell in love with San Pedro
    Warm wind carried on the sea, he called to me
    Te dijo te amo
    I prayed that the days would last
    They went so fast

    Tropical the island breeze
    All of nature wild and free
    This is where I long to be
    La isla bonita
    And when the samba played
    The sun would set so high
    Ring through my ears and sting my eyes
    Your Spanish lullaby

    I want to be where the sun warms the sky
    When it’s time for siesta you can watch them go by
    Beautiful faces, no cares in this world
    Where a girl loves a boy, and a boy loves a girl

    Last night I dreamt of San Pedro
    It all seems like yesterday, not far away

    Tropical the island breeze
    All of nature wild and free
    This is where I long to be
    La isla bonita
    And when the samba played
    The sun would set so high
    Ring through my ears and sting my eyes
    Your Spanish lullaby

    Tropical the island breeze
    All of nature wild and free
    This is where I long to be
    La isla bonita
    And when the samba played
    The sun would set so high
    Ring through my ears and sting my eyes
    Your Spanish lullaby

    La la la la la la la
    Te dijo te amo
    La la la la la la la
    El dijo que te ama.

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  195. tupac Fraidy cat
    yes I am. never denied it.

    @dana- check out pics of Mark Sanchez. He has an equally manly look but a bit pretty.

    hope My condolences as well, Welmer.
    what did I miss ?

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  196. gig:

    “We live our lives in private shells
    Ignore our senses and fool ourselves
    To thinking that out there there’s someone else who cares
    Someone to answer all our prayers

    Are we too far gone, are we so irresponsible
    Have we lost our balls, or do we just not care
    We’re terminal cases that keep talking medicine
    Pretending the end isn’t quite that near

    We make futile gestures, act to the cameras
    With our made up faces and PR smiles
    And when the angel comes down, down to deliver us
    We’ll find out that after all, we’re only men of straw

    But everything is still the same
    Passing the time passing the blame
    We carry on in the same old way
    We’ll find out we left it too late one day, to say what we meant to say

    Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the water
    Those problems seem to arise the ones you never really thought of
    The feeling you get is similar to something like drowning
    Out of your mind, you’re out of your depth, you should have taken soundings
    Clutching at straws, we’re clutching at straws

    And if you ever come across us don’t give us your sympathy
    You can buy us a drink and just shake our hands
    And you’ll recognise by the reflection in our eyes
    That deep down inside we’re all one and the same

    We’re clutching at straws
    We’re still drowning
    Clutching at straws ”

    — Marillion

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  197. gig,

    If I feel really sad, I just get two escorts.. 7 or above.

    One to blow me and the other to lick my balls. I screw one and then then the other, making sure that the free pussy’s mouth is well occupied. I like to come inside though, giving facials looks good but the sensation is much better if you are inside.

    Any questions?

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  198. on August 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Marriage 1.0 was the backbone of all civilization.

    Marriage 2.0 is transitory. There are many cultures in the world that proudly practice Marriage 1.0, and when their immigrant communities in the US find out that US divorce laws are so weird, they will eventually start clashing with it (or stop coming to the US).

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  199. You’re too lazy to even live life

    The kind of life I’d like to live costs several hundred thousand dollars per year to maintain. I’ll never earn that type of money to build enough wealth to do so.

    I feel very sorry for you, Dave.

    You have no reason to feel sorry for me. There are real people in the real world worth your compassion and care.

    It’s something else to oppose western marriage 1.0 or all marriage.

    And it’s another to enslave beta males in an environment that deprives them of their freedom.

    Fuck you Doug.

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  200. Bullshit that women don’t feel, beg or need great sex more than men do! Female fantasies are mind blowing and so are the orgasms.

    Men may need sex more often- but when the sex is amazing for a woman it is a powerful experience that men cannot duplicate.

    To see a woman lose all control by an amazing orgasm is an incredible experience.

    Men don’t orgasm as explosively or an intensely as women do.

    Read -my secret garden- by nancy friday, and you will learn about the raw power of female sex and fantasy.

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  201. So Dave Alex, what’s your excuse for merely earning the money you say you need to live the lifestyle you claim to want? You’re young enough. Most people believe you’re smart enough. So what’s the problem?

    O

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  202. Fuck you Doug.

    Now Doug is among the likes of Whiskey in the DA parthenon.

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  203. Women do lose more money than men, on average, during a divorce, primarily because men make more money. Alimony generally isn’t enough to make up for the fact that a woman’s salary supporting a mother and kids is worse than a man’s salary supporting one person.

    If you think of marriage as a “deal” to get as much sex and labor out of a woman as possible, or if you want your woman to be uneducated so she’s easier to manage, then there’s not even enough common ground to argue with you. You’ve never gotten to the point when you realize you care about something other than narrow self-interest. You’re too small to realize you might want to marry a woman you can respect for her accomplishments. You’re too small to be giving.

    (And God knows I try to be giving in a relationship, myself. My friends think I’m a pushover, but for me, love takes the form of wanting to do everything to make him happy, from carrying his suitcases to proofreading his resume to more intimate kindnesses. It’s so good to see his face transformed by joy. Giving is the point.)

    By the way, advice on giving her some space after a romantic getaway is right on point. We need time to adjust from Romanceland to real life (and, in my case, to forgive myself for “wasting” a whole weekend on nothing but fun.)

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  204. game in BK wrote

    Bullshit that women don’t feel, beg or need great sex more than men do!
    A few things here…

    1. we do feel the desire but unlike men most of don’t want to hit off every and anything of the opposite gender.

    2. It’s much more difficult for us achieve orgasm. Sara posted a reasonable hypothesis why this may be so.

    3. most men don’t have a clue how to give orgasms. there are even some men , hi roosh, who don’t give a darn either.

    Female fantasies are mind blowing
    yes they are 🙂

    and so are the orgasms.
    for those who can achieve. some women aren’t as lucky as chic who can at the very least have one from a good lick.

    DA to doug Fuck you Doug.
    it’s getting hot in here. DA is maning the f- up. doug isn’t even angry with you for growing a few hairs on your chest.

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  205. Any questions?

    no Lucifer. actually, I didn´t even ask you anything. It is just a song…

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  206. Once again I must insist that we all try to come to grips with the “Game & LTR” issue. As I see it, the central question is this: How effective is Game in lengthening relationships?

    We can probably all agree that Game’s effectiveness in INITIATING relationships, and maintaining them for at least a few months, has been sufficiently demonstrated. Even without quantitative studies, the anecdotal evidence is simply overwhelming.

    But consider the vastly smaller sample size you have to work with when trying to determine Game’s effects when used in the context of MARRIAGE.

    Perhaps this can be boiled down to a single question: How effective is Game in preventing a wife from initiating divorce proceedings?

    Compare the mountain of anecdotal evidence about Game in simple pickup and so forth, much of it sufficiently easily verifiable with a bit of personal effort and research, with the much, much smaller amount of evidence that Game can help prevent divorce. You will easily see, if you think a little, that most of the pronouncements about Game preventing divorce are little more than wishful thinking.

    I suspect that Game can only help — but the fact is, at this point, we don’t know for sure. I suspect even more that it will prove to be of only limited value in preventing divorce; the combination of perverse, irrational female psychology and current incentives towards divorce will defeat all but the greatest masters of Game.

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  207. Missed this:

    Men should ask themselves a simple question

    What do I want?

    Once you define the “I” part, it is obvious that most of what you thought you wanted was validation from others. Essentially you are born alone and you will die alone and no human can give you what you truly desire.

    Truth.

    Alpha.

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  208. Katto:

    Perhaps this can be boiled down to a single question: How effective is Game in preventing a wife from initiating divorce proceedings?

    The importance of Game is in the tests and hurdles you erect for the women LONG before you get to the point of proposing.

    She needs to EARN that shit and work HARD for the OPPORTUNITY you granted her. Any man that rushes into it out of “love” is asking for trouble.

    So walk on bare foot for me
    Suffer some misery
    If you want my love
    If you want my love…”

    — Depeche Mode

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  209. on August 10, 2009 at 10:23 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Tupac

    Pantheon.

    @ DA
    The kind of life I’d like to live costs several hundred thousand dollars per year to maintain.

    I hear you. They just raised BART fares by like 50%.

    But seriously?
    You?
    What would you possibly want to spend all that money on?
    Monthly porn memberships?

    You’ve never given hints that you’re the luxe high-livin’ type.

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  210. Tupac Chopra,

    You underestimate women’s inherent sociopathy.

    Game can get you sex, but never think that it can protect you from a divorce.

    Sex= Emotional high.

    Divorce = Financial gain and petty vindictiveness.

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  211. Have you guys noticed that feminists are always concerned about being gang raped? killed? imprisoned?

    Projecting their desires to do those things to other?

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  212. @epoxy,

    DA- likes traveling, Amtrak, computers and fancy cameras in addition to p0

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  213. DA is maning the f- up.

    No, that’s just a part of being a sub-human male.

    What would you possibly want to spend all that money on?

    Money to prop up mother, brother, nieces, and nephews. Ownership of a Nissan GT-R and a slightly more conventional car for my purposes. First class flights overseas to ride trains and drive around the United States and overseas. And yes, access to nearly unlimited amounts of porn.

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  214. David Alexander,

    What about escorts?

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  215. DA is saving up for a trip to Canada. Oooops did I say that out loud?

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  216. You’re young enough.

    I’m 25. I’m washed up, and a never will be.

    Most people believe you’re smart enough.

    People generally over estimate the intelligence of black people that they meet.

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  217. on August 10, 2009 at 10:39 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Game in BK

    Bullshit that women don’t feel, beg or need great sex more than men do! Female fantasies are mind blowing and so are the orgasms.

    The bell curve of male orgasms has a higher mean, but a much much lower standard deviation.

    The bell curve of female orgasms has a lower mean, but a much much higher standard deviation. Its right tail is truly a spectacle to behold, yes.

    I’ve heard lots of firsthand accounts of female fantasies.

    70% of them do literally nothing for me, as in, they basically don’t even have a sexual component (“I imagine myself as the middle string on that cello, being lovingly stroked into a gradual crescendo of resonant luv-vibration”).

    10% are hot.

    10% don’t ring my particular bells, but I can see how they could, for other guys.

    10% are beyond-all-belief fucked-up-in-the-head psychopathicrazy.

    With girls kept just below the level of actual orgasm – e.g. in between begging for release – that latter 10% doubles or triples.

    Women are scary.

    Men may need sex more often- but when the sex is amazing for a woman it is a powerful experience that men cannot duplicate.

    Wrong.

    Absolutely false that it’s better for them than for us. If you think that’s true, you’re not getting good laid.

    The difference is that we are less dependent on our sexual partners for the quality of the experience.

    Now let me tell you why this is.

    It’s because WE are
    (1) dominant / active
    (2) visual

    and therefore,
    if sex isn’t that great, WE can just close our eyes, visualize a hotter woman or a more memorable freaky past partner, and still get off pretty sweet. Even if the woman is less animated than usual, it can still work with enough imagery.

    Like pizza. Even if it’s bad, it’s still decent.

    On the other hand.

    WOMEN are
    (1) submissive / passive
    (2) emotional

    and therefore,
    THEY are just fucked (heh) if they’re with a subpar partner. If they’re with a lickspittle beta, THEY can’t just close their eyes and imagine being dominated and taken for an emotional trip. It has to actually happen.

    To see a woman lose all control by an amazing orgasm is an incredible experience.

    Men don’t orgasm as explosively or an intensely as women do.

    I take issue with the last of this.

    Yes, the absolute right tail of women’s orgasms can outdo ours. No doubt there.

    But what’s at work here is, mostly, control.

    We who can induce that sort of orgasm in women are too dominant and controlling to thrash around in the throes of orgasm and scream like a woman, as much as we might like to. So, whether by nature or by training, we stay much more impassive than we really are. Sure we might let out some noise, contort our faces, etc., but it’s just … manliness.

    Same reason women get more hysterical at funerals than men do, but different context.

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  218. DA is saving up for a trip to Canada. Oooops did I say that out loud?

    Did I reference that online?

    One of the dream trips has been the St. Lawrence Valley roadgeek trip where I’d start off in Windsor and make my way up to Gaspe. I’d like to see Montreal, Toronto, Quebec City, Halfax, and Vancouver while leaving Calgary and Edmonton for the “it has trains factor”.

    And yeah, I’ve been to Parliament Hill in Ottawa.

    David Alexander,

    What about escorts?

    High chance of disease, low chance of getting exactly what I want, and high chance of her not really desiring me. I just don’t want fake orgasms.

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  219. Expoxy said this about men “WE can just close our eyes, visualize a hotter woman or a more memorable freaky past partner, and still get off pretty sweet”

    Recently my ex ltr in a drunk dial phone call informed me that he pictures me when he bangs his new gf. He even recounted various sexual experiences to me as the ones he uses with her and when alone. I have to say I enjoyed the conversation. heh

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  220. Tupac, if she can bleed she can breed is a saying that came about back in the times when guys actually had intention of marrying and making babies with the teenagers they were referencing. The average age of menstruation was also 16 then.

    No father in his right mind would have been okay with their 16 year old daughter having casual sex with anyone.

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  221. epoxy So, whether by nature or by training, we stay much more impassive than we really are. Sure we might let out some noise, contort our faces, etc., but it’s just … manliness

    this may be so but my ex would scream like a baby and fall asleep on my 5 seconds after he *finished*. you take away from the experience when you try to be too manly.

    Sometimes women like a little noise from the man. Don’t behave like a mummy. Something tells me doug lets out some wild grunting and moaning. Welmer grunter. DA- drooler. Mu –moaner.

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  222. Da I’m not sure if you referenced it online but I am aware that ever since I offered to whip your ass to make you behave you’ve been saving up. 😉

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  223. on August 10, 2009 at 10:56 pm The Fifth Horseman

    My grandmother, and all her sisters, married between the ages of 10 and 14, and started having kids by 16 or so. All had 7-12 kids. The age gap between the oldest and youngest kids can be as much as 30 years.

    This seems odd today, of course. Each of these old ladies (my grandma and her sisters) all have 50-80 descendants underneath them (kids + kid’s spouses + grandkids + grandkids’ spouses + great grandkids). They are taken care of, get a steady procession of visitors, and are having the time of their lives.

    They had no careers, no education beyond elementary school, and no ‘single life’ whatsoever. All they did was raise kids and housework. The first half of their lives ‘sucked’ by modern estimations. But the second half of their lives were absolutely splendid.

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  224. I’d like to see Montreal, Toronto, Quebec City, Halfax, and Vancouver

    Say “hi” to Clio for me

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  225. on August 10, 2009 at 11:02 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    you take away from the experience when you try to be too manly.

    Well, sure. Women can smell “try” from miles away.

    I feel stimuli and emotions deeply, but I’m not demonstrative with any of them.
    Except for weird hyperthymic happiness (“why are you grinning?”).

    When I have really earth shaking orgasms, I sometimes break out into laughter as they fade. The same way I laugh when I just did something ridiculously well, or watched someone do something ridiculously well.
    Like this.

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  226. on August 10, 2009 at 11:02 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I am still quite annoyed with Bob Herbert at the NYT being an over the top mangina with his ‘America is misogynistic’ braying.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=4&emc=eta1

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  227. on August 10, 2009 at 11:04 pm Chef Boyardee

    “If you are a woman who dines with a man [or mixed gender group], chances are you choose food with fewer calories than if you dine with a woman. That is one of the findings in a study conducted by researchers at McMaster University.”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090805114616.htm

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  228. on August 10, 2009 at 11:06 pm Comment_Whatever

    “do you think that you will fall in love with me?”

    Isn’t even a test. Really.

    Women don’t want to be with a man they are WORTH.

    They want to be with a man BETTER THAN THEM.

    One way is to look at them and say “Maybe”.

    And, stolen from Han Solo, if they say “But I love you!”

    answer:

    “I know.” with very little emotional reaction.

    Roissy’s “We’ll see.” with a wink is cleverer though.

    But this isn’t rocket science. Unless you are thinking in terms of what you ‘owe’ girly. And if you are…….

    then you are in a very bad mental place to deal with a typical woman.

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  229. I am aware that ever since I offered to whip your ass to make you behave you’ve been saving up.

    Are you dreaming of a night with a Caribbean male? 🙂

    Remember, I may be a sub-human male, but no woman can boss me around. 😛

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  230. DA – I’d give up my submissive nature for a night just to get you walkin on the wild side. 😉

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  231. I’d give up my submissive nature for a night just to get you walkin on the wild side.

    Get acyrlic nails, and I may surprise you. 🙂

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  232. DA – deal.

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  233. Guys, check this out:
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1176126.html

    I live in West Palm Beach, was watching the nightly local news when this story about a woman hiring a hit man to kill her husband came on. I thought, “who better than to share this with than my friends over at roissy’s blog?”

    Roissy: have a look. I was watching the interview with the man (after the fact) – he should be up for BOTM.

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  234. on August 10, 2009 at 11:27 pm The Fifth Horseman

    live in West Palm Beach, was watching the nightly local news when this story about a woman hiring a hit man to kill her husband came on.

    This, of course, is justified given what he did to her. The feminists said so, so you better shut up and go along with it.

    Of course, according to one of the feminOrcs on ‘Game Can Save Lives’, 30 million men ground up through divorce court is a smaller social cost than 1 woman being murdered.

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  235. Regarding Brad’s BOTM. Stories are describing her as pretty. She was 26 he was 38. See the trouble with marrying young?? hee hee

    This is the chick, I’m not sure I’d call her pretty, but hey I’m not a dude.

    [editor: stories are so funny. you don’t have to be a dude to see that she isn’t pretty.]

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  236. This is the chick, I’m not sure I’d call her pretty, but hey I’m not a dude.

    I’d imagine in a normal photo, she would be pretty…

    DA – deal.

    Just let me know when you have time in your schedule for a weekend getaway. We can melt igloos. 🙂

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  237. Hope

    My condolences as well, Welmer.

    Offer them to the kids, Hope. They are the ones who pay the heaviest price for parental misbehavior. Since you have brought up your father several times, you must know this.

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  238. Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Game in BK

    “To see a woman lose all control by an amazing orgasm is an incredible experience.”

    Men don’t orgasm as explosively or an intensely as women do.

    I take issue with the last of this.

    Yes, the absolute right tail of women’s orgasms can outdo ours. No doubt there.

    But what’s at work here is, mostly, control.

    We who can induce that sort of orgasm in women are too dominant and controlling to thrash around in the throes of orgasm and scream like a woman, as much as we might like to. So, whether by nature or by training, we stay much more impassive than we really are. Sure we might let out some noise, contort our faces, etc., but it’s just … manliness.

    I’m not so sure. Women climax with a higher volume of fluid, movement and noise.

    There have been times when I thought they were urinating it was so much, and they were screaming and flexing like they were giving birth or something.

    This can be a bit disconcerting.

    Same reason women get more hysterical at funerals than men do, but different context.

    I’ve seen women cool as a cucumber at funerals, crying crocodile tears only because the occasion demanded it. Happened when my grandpa died. As for me, after the service was over I had to go walk alone in the pines because I was crying like a lost child, despite being 20 years old.

    I think the physical/animal passions of women peak higher, while the intellectual/human passions of men are more intense. This explains the higher rate of artistic and intellectual achievement of men on the positive side, and suicide and war on the negative.

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  239. the soulkiller apprentice:

    Hope

    Fortunately, there are plenty of intelligent men with high empathy and self-discipline who don’t plot weird phone games and don’t have the emotional maturity of a dead roadkill.

    Yes, it is so fortunate that those men exist out there, especially for those very emotionally mature women who leave their husbands for men they meet on MMORPGs.

    Of course, men who develop relationships with married women on video games are the most mature, intelligent men of all. They are shining, proud examples of masculinity that all men should look up to, especially because they raid on vent and have access to epic drops (some of them are even wizards!).

    Perhaps in the real world, these men would be beaten to bloody pulp (most likely they would run and scream like little girls), but due to video game technology they are the most masculine, attractive men in the world.

    We all admire them, Hope. Just like we admire those upstanding women who cheat on their husbands with their gaming partners.

    this was a thing of beauty.

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  240. I think the physical/animal passions of women peak higher, while the intellectual/human passions of men are more intense.

    I can’t be bothered to find the refs right now, but I recall seeing some studies where they showed that men suffer most after relationship breakups, with the pain lingering on and on in a smoldering agony, whereas women flare up in a dramatic show, only to quickly start dating around after the theatrics.

    Makes sense when you think about it. Women are always at risk for pump-n-dumps, yet their biology compels them to consider each new encounter as possible husband material. It would be psychological torture if they truly invested themselves in each new dalliance. Instead, they offer up all the TRAPPINGS of high-emotion, but those emotions are always in a pending status, with their fingers on the “eject” button, in case the guy bails. I don’t begrudge them that. It has to be that way otherwise they would literally go mad from the psychological pain.

    Men, OTOH, are always seeking variety, but when they DO finally decide to commit, having invested their heart and soul, have given up something precious — their freedom and independence — and become psychologically dependent on the women (who with their capricious theatrics could never understand) to such an extent that when the men get dumped, the pain is all-consuming, trenchant, and everlasting.

    I’ll never forget getting dumped by a favorite girlfriend of mine a week before Christmas. I found out later that a week after the breakup, she was wearing a sexy outfit I had bought for her as a Christmas present to go out to bars with her girlfriends, dancing on tables and such. When I later had the opportunity to discuss the matter with her, she merely blinked, IN ALL HONESTY, saying, “Well, we weren’t a couple anymore, and hey, I looked good in the outfit.”

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  241. @tupac

    Very interesting comment and rings very true to me.

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  242. spiffy cliffy:
    You’re reframing,

    is this to be a frame war?

    Anyway, since I’m curious, let’s say you have your choice of four 9’s who are basically equal both in looks and in emotional development but intellectually are very different:

    1. dumb as a box of hair. flighty and doesn’t realize DC isn’t a state. hard to talk to about any subject except a) how pretty she is b) how cool you are c) I forget but it’s kind of interesting, isn’t it?

    beauty and intelligence correlate, so the likelihood of meeting a bombshell 10 who was dumb as a box of hair (?) is low. at least, it’s less likely than meeting a dumb ugly chick.

    2. not dumb, but no firecracker. middling to poor public education and no further ambitions to develop her mind, such as it is.

    can she hum the star spangled banner while jobbing my knob?

    3. naturally smart but untrained. has lots of dumb ideas (from sub-standard public education and state university system) but learns quickly and usually doesn’t need to be told about the difference between the house and senate more than once.

    your mistake is in assuming a smart, untrained mind has more dumb ideas stuffed into it than a “properly” educated mind. lemme tell ya, clifftits, i’ve met a lot of dumbass ivy league grads completely lacking any common sense about how the world really works.

    4. smart and educated. not above calling your bluff in private when she knows more about a topic than you do (at least a third of the time) but demures in public and waits until your friends are gone before very tactfully mentioning that no, the overture of 1812 was not written for the American war of the same year.

    nerd.

    Which has the most LTR potential?

    3.

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  243. on August 11, 2009 at 12:53 am The Fifth Horseman

    Willard,

    Thanks, that was good. It would have been even better if she addressed the anti-male bigotry that is growing, but I’ll take it.

    That we have to applaud a woman who even states that the US is better for women than any other country that actually exists, however, is itself sad.

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  244. I’m not Lurker, but my own $0.02. I get why Cyrus wants to act adult-sexy. Her sell-by-date as a Disney Tween princess is already over. Because she’s “too old” for the 9-12 crowd. Disney is more ruthless than the NFL in the way it uses and spits out bodies. Cyrus wants adult roles because that’s where the money is. The “sexy stuff” may be a re-run of then 17 Jessica Biel posing naked for Gear Magazine to get out her Seventh Heaven contract.

    It’s also clear her parents indulge her because she brings in all that money, dwarfing no doubt Bill Ray’s take back in the day. Hence the sleep-over with the adult boyfriend at 15, all sorts of BS she needs a father to say “no, you’re not doing that.” Instead of a passive cash register. Chic you nailed it, Lohan-central.

    What’s shocking is the video of her sister, aged 9, dancing around a stripper pole, and Disney/Teen Choice permitting this stripper pole performance on the ice cream cart. Disney stands a real risk of parents just pulling the plug on cable altogether.

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  245. roissy,

    I am not sure that beauty and intelligence correlate for one simple reason.

    [editor: i didn’t pull that observation out of my ass. there have been some studies fairly recently that found a link between smarts and attractiveness. i’m not gonna bother finding links, so you’ll have to do your own dirty work.]

    Beauty is a phenotype that is expressed without any effort, intelligence is about potential (often requires the right environment and nurturing).

    [high status men knock up hot babes. in the modern economy, high status in men generally equates to high IQ, plus extraversion and conscientiousness.]

    If Turing was born in the middle ages, he might have been a priest not the guy who did much of the theoretical work behind computers. The whore on whom the famous ancient greek venus statue was modeled would have been bangable at 18 in any century.

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  246. The company I run demands that 75% of our front-line workers have higher education (Associate degree at minimum), some of these people are dumber than posts. Interestingly the 25% who don’t require the education are hired because they have tremendous common sense. Like Roissy says education doesn’t guarantee it. Therefore I conclude Roissy is right when he says 3.

    *side note – I’m a 3 (university courses only – no degree)

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  247. Can’t really comment on the topic-given my history of betatude, my relationships are usually measured in days, not weeks.

    I thought the improvements i’ve made from learning Game would lead to my latest relationship to being more of a marathon then a sprint.

    Nooope. But that’s not the topic I wanted to talk about. I’m issuing a warning to David Alexander.

    Have you ever heard of Delayed Ejaculation? (Or, as some of the meaner kids on the playground call it, Retarded Ejaculation).

    Essentially, it’s a syndrome where a man who has absolutely no problem ejaculating while viewing porn/masturbating cannot ejaculate while having actual intercourse.

    You essentially become so used to the feel and speed of your own hand that a dripping wet pussy is like an alien landscape.

    You could also call it Beta Disease. After all, what else would you call something that completely caters to women? (They get a hard, tremendous fucking for hours, while the male gets a vicious case of blue balls.)

    Of course, at least it comes with a measure of self-pride, unlike those with Omega Disease (premature ejaculation).

    So i’m just sayin’, DA-you might wanna chase some real tail. Before you find out you can’t.

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  248. Roissy,

    You want to believe in something. I refuse to believe in anything.

    belief = accepting what cannot be independently verified and tested.

    Ex- It is possible to verify that the earth is spherical by looking outside a jetliner or flying long distance.

    It is not possible to verify the human contribution to climate change because the changes are smaller than the noise in observations and unprocessed data.

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  249. on August 11, 2009 at 1:50 am The Fifth Horseman

    Essentially, it’s a syndrome where a man who has absolutely no problem ejaculating while viewing porn/masturbating cannot ejaculate while having actual intercourse.

    You essentially become so used to the feel and speed of your own hand that a dripping wet pussy is like an alien landscape.

    This actually does happen to some portion of men, from what the medical field says. It is not funny, but rather an unfortunate psycho-sexual condition where the mind is trained on porn.

    Such men are trapped on both ends, as they need the personal and social validation of being with an attractive woman, but when the time comes, they are not keen to fuck them either. So the relationship ends because the MAN didn’t want to fuck. Even if the woman is decent looking. Odd, but it happens..

    This is something that is emerging in the field of sexology.

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  250. Yeah, I wasn’t really joking…

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  251. So i’m just sayin’, DA-you might wanna chase some real tail. Before you find out you can’t.

    Since I’ve written off any chance of that happening, it doesn’t make a difference anymore.

    side note – I’m a 3 (university courses only – no degree)

    I swear, it’s easier in Canada to be middle class sans college degree than in the States…

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  252. lemme tell ya, clifftits, i’ve met a lot of dumbass ivy league grads completely lacking any common sense about how the world really works.

    This exactly describes the goddamn fools running the country right now!

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  253. “beauty and intelligence correlate, so the likelihood of meeting a bombshell 10 who was dumb as a box of hair (?) is low. at least, it’s less likely than meeting a dumb ugly chick…

    [editor: i didn’t pull that observation out of my ass. there have been some studies fairly recently that found a link between smarts and attractiveness. i’m not gonna bother finding links, so you’ll have to do your own dirty work.]”

    Just because many with High IQ are beautiful doesn’t mean that a disproportionate number of beautiful have high IQ. I know you’ve written before about how you rarely watch TV–turn one on for about 5 minutes and you’ll see a lot of wildly idiotic 10s, and wildly idiotic meatheads/thugs who nonetheless communicate high status through various means and hence bang a lot of hot muff.

    [high status men knock up hot babes. in the modern economy, high status in men generally equates to high IQ, plus extraversion and conscientiousness.]

    Ample thuggery–which does not depend, and is in fact usually hindered by high IQ–also communicates high status, despite the design of the modern economy. One thinks these bright young couples are also much less likely to use protection as well, thus having more offspring.

    Similarly, there are huge swaths of high IQ men (professors, engineers, IT people) who, in addition to being physically unattractive, are unable to communicate high status because of lack of extroversion and social skills. They are not procreating with many dime pieces.

    One last thing about the possibility of a 9 or 10 being smart–even if they were born with the potential to have a high IQ later in life, the extraordinary beauty of a 9 or 10 will win her access to environments of high status from childhood onward. Thus eliminating many incentives for developing intelligence or other non-looks/sex related personality traits.

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  254. Chic,

    “I don’t agree. Women don’t enjoy sex as much as men do because hormonally we are different and we are socialized to believe that only bad girls really enjoy sex. I’m sure the more sexually liberated females(like poetry?) still struggle with the nurture end of the angle even if they can match the average male hormonally.”

    Wait, I do what now? I’m supposed to nuture things? Where was I when they passed out that inter-office memo??

    In seriousness, I have no urge to breed. I do know that if I meet a suitable dominant male, I will want to bear at least one of his offspring, but not for the fact of the child, but rather I find that allowing your body to hold something that another person helped put inside you is the ultimate act of submission. I’d like to think that, one day, I’ll feel that need because such a man is around me. And then (probably) the maternal instincts will kick in.

    Until then, I’m sure my usual asshattery will continue. If I never end up reproducing, that’s quite okay. My genes aren’t anything spectacular that need to be passed on.

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  255. on August 11, 2009 at 3:15 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    roissy:

    high status men knock up hot babes. in the modern economy, high status in men generally equates to high IQ, plus extraversion and conscientiousness.

    True, up to a point.

    There are two super obvious factors that break the correlation at the high end, though.

    #1
    (Mom & Dad)
    As far as the “hottest babes” go – the babes in the 9+ range – those pretty much go to guys with extroversion, social dominance, social/political* connections, and so on. Those guys are usually high IQ, but practically never super-high IQ.
    The kind of high status that pulls those sorts of women is a fraternity that’s closed to the vast majority of genius level dudes.

    #2
    (Dad)
    Men with genius level IQ (contra guys in the just-sub-genius-level sweet spot) don’t tend to have tons and tons of the genes that contribute to physical attractiveness, either.

    These two factors combine to produce the observation, which is readily apparent to anyone who doesn’t live in an oubliette, that the hottest women are, though not usually stupid by any measure, normally not all that smart. Also, conversely, the smartest women aren’t ugly, but they usually aren’t that hot, either.

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  256. on August 11, 2009 at 3:16 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    *By “political” I don’t necessarily (or even primarily) mean “in politics”

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  257. Of course education and smarts don’t necessarily correlate, my distinction between 3 and 4 was less about raw intelligence than in understanding of how the world works and knowledge of specific facts.

    3. smart with lots of dumb/wrong ideas

    4. smart with lots of smart/right ideas

    (we can ignore where they got the ideas from).

    Pretty and stupid do most certainly can coincide though it may be less a question of inherent ability than a complete lack of training. Extremely attractive people of both sexes often fail to develop much in the way of social or communication skills because when young their looks do that work for them. Similarly, they’re often not pushed to learn very much (especially in the case of girls).
    What happens to them (especially women) when their looks start to fade isn’t pretty.

    I think the ‘can’t come thru sex’ phenomenon has less to do with mental motivation than physical conditioning – while masturbating most men grip the penis firmly and they get used to that pressure (that a vagina cannot replicate) and speed (no man can hump as fast as he jacks off) and their penises become desensitized. A period of abstinence so the penis can become sensitive again usually solves that problem.

    Also intriguing is the Bell’ Antonio syndrome (after the movie with Mastroianni) where a man’s madonna/whore complex becomes so acute that he can have sex with whores (or one night stands) but can’t get it up with a woman he really cares about (as she enters the Madonna pantheon alongside his mom and the Virgin Mary if he’s catholic).

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  258. on August 11, 2009 at 5:12 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ roissy

    Calling too soon means you risk getting ensnared in her confusion. But by waiting a couple days to make your post romantic weekend followup call, you’ll find she has returned to normal and is happier than ever to hear from you.

    Guys returning from vacation shouldn’t have time for “followup calls” anyway, at least not for a day or two.

    If you don’t have to run around picking up pieces for a day or two after going awol, then you aren’t important enough to enough people.

    If this is really a problem, just send a text message about something completely unrelated (or bonus points if it’s related in a teasing way).
    Like how there’s some cloud in the sky that looks exactly like a turtle.
    (This would get the bonus points if it were an inside joke on something retarded that she’d previously said involving turtles)

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  259. on August 11, 2009 at 6:59 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’David Alexander
    Good natural intelligence, normal curiosity but little education beyond college-prep high school degree, a healthy amount of common sense, sense of humor and lighthearted attitude is best for LTRs.

    Pray that you live forever with no health problems, lest your wife have to find work to support the kids incase of disability or death.””””””’

    How bout just pray to work long hours and be able to save loot. Then you can fuck whoever you want and nothing else matters.

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  260. @ tarl

    if you think HBD is true, the whole Western World has been driven by drunk drivers with epilepsy for the last two generations

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  261. Pursuing an Italian woman is like pursuing a dark hairy spiny monkey for sex.

    exactly. she is always out of your reach. loser

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  262. Actually I see more beautiful women in Ivy League schools than in the broader population; beauty makes it easier to get into high-status environments, and that includes a good education. There’s no damn point saying that beautiful girls are generally lacking in something else; that’s sour grapes.

    Roissy, so you don’t like highly educated women because they’ll have politics you don’t like. Fine, at least that makes sense. Just keep in mind two things: one, you may be surprised that some of the girls you like already have politics you don’t like, but are too polite to bring it up. Two, you can be powerfully attracted to someone whose views you loathe; it’s happened to me.

    (And finally, if your politics can’t survive a college/post-graduate education, then maybe, instead of blaming the educational system, you should wonder whether people just grow out of your views when they have a chance to learn more.)

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  263. on August 11, 2009 at 7:53 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’PA
    Besides… whey you’re done with your sock, you toss it into the hamper. But with a sexbot, you gotta clean her/it.

    Heh. Which reminds me. I was once driving from Missouri to Maryland… somewhere in eastern Kentucky, as the evening came on and the silence of the car and the noise of my wandering thoughts — and the fact that I was a pumped up 24 year old — made me so fuckng horny.

    So I started playing with my cock, which didn’t help matters. So I slipped off my shoe, pulled off my sock, and “banged a 10″ right there on that road. And tossed the sock out the window at 75 mph. It would have been funny if it stuck to someone’s windshield ”””””””””’

    Ok that was some funny shit.

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  264. on August 11, 2009 at 8:00 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Doug1
    Marriage is male indentured servitude, at the wife’s option.””””””””””””

    Or we could convince woman of the below.

    ””””””””Poetry of the flesh
    Horseman,
    I did not think of it that way, and I should have. When something becomes legal, people automatically assume that someone it becomes morally sound, and for the legal system to back divorce laws as they obviously do, it really is telling women that it is ethical for them to drain the men they once loved.”””””””””

    Poetries eyes are opened. Beautiful really. Good Job Horseman.

    And just convince it is in the best interest of both parties in a marriage to work together to get whatever the fuck they both want out of life. If you have two people working towards the happiness and goals of both parties and looking out for each others best interests then what can stop them from achieving whatever it is they want?

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  265. on August 11, 2009 at 8:03 am gunslingergregi

    The law didn’t work for hitlers cronies they still hung at the gallows. Neither will the law work for woman as an excuse for inflicting pain and suffering on their former husband.

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  266. why the assumption that a woman wants to drain men after marriage?

    yes, you see some examples with goldiggers, but there is a new era in which women (can) out-earn and do out-succeed men.

    so the real question will become- what if the woman makes more money than her man and she can stand just fine on her own two feet with or without him?

    tables will turn.

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  267. “4. smart and educated. not above calling your bluff in private when she knows more about a topic than you do (at least a third of the time) but demures in public and waits until your friends are gone before very tactfully mentioning that no, the overture of 1812 was not written for the American war of the same year.”

    While Tchiachovsky was definitely inspired about the Napoleanic invasion of Russia, the American War of 1812 was clearly part of the Napoleanic wars. The dispute was British stealing American ships and conscripting American sailors to fight the French. Technically, you wouldn’t be wrong.

    Then again I went to a public/state schools so what do I know?

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  268. on August 11, 2009 at 8:30 am gunslingergregi

    Case in point when my mom was ordered to pay child support for my sister my dad did not have her tossed in jail for not paying when she had no money. She never paid and he didn’t call her a deadbeat mom or try to torture her. He moved across the street so my sister would be able to go there whenever.

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  269. on August 11, 2009 at 8:39 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Dreamer
    why the assumption that a woman wants to drain men after marriage?

    yes, you see some examples with goldiggers, but there is a new era in which women (can) out-earn and do out-succeed men.

    so the real question will become- what if the woman makes more money than her man and she can stand just fine on her own two feet with or without him?

    tables will turn.””””””””””’

    Possible but either way peoples freedom with what they want to do with their time or there assets should not be legislated either way.

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  270. on August 11, 2009 at 8:48 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    why the assumption that a woman wants to drain men after marriage?

    Strong empirical evidence.
    or:
    Check divorce laws and divorce statistics.
    or:
    Open your eyes and look around.

    yes, you see some examples with goldiggers, but there is a new era in which women (can) out-earn and do out-succeed men.

    so the real question will become- what if the woman makes more money than her man and she can stand just fine on her own two feet with or without him?

    Don’t be ridiculous. The Marie Curies of the world were the Marie Curies of the world, even before the ilk of washing machines and microwave ovens enabled feminism to metastasize throughout our society.

    The only way in which “this is a new era” is in the sense that underqualified women can now be ushered into cozy sinecures at men’s expense. If you think that feminism has accomplished anything for women who are actually smart and capable enough to compete in the job market on their own merits, then you’re not very smart.

    Find a woman who is extremely smart, talented, capable, and good at her job. Ask her for her thoughts about preferential hiring and treatment of women.
    I guarantee that you’ll get almost uniformly negative responses.

    tables will turn.

    And if the plug were rightfully pulled on the ridiculous preferential treatment of women in the workplace, they would turn right back, so fast that you’d get whiplash.
    Twenty years later, people would start wondering why families had gotten so much more stable again.

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  271. on August 11, 2009 at 8:56 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Tood

    There are many cultures in the world that proudly practice Marriage 1.0, and when their immigrant communities in the US find out that US divorce laws are so weird, they will eventually start clashing with it (or stop coming to the US).

    By “find out that US divorce laws are so weird” I assume you mean “the immigrant men will panic when their women hit them with divorces for which they are completely unprepared”. If they aren’t personally affected by the divorce laws, why would immigrants care about them in the first place?

    You should go back to “Tood”. The new moniker is too dungeons-and-dragons-magic-cards-ish.

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  272. on August 11, 2009 at 8:59 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ tood

    Of course, according to one of the feminOrcs on ‘Game Can Save Lives’, 30 million men ground up through divorce court is a smaller social cost than 1 woman being murdered.

    In all seriousness, I don’t know which way feminists would decide between 30 million men murdered and 1 woman taken for everything in divorce court.

    I really, honestly, don’t know which way they would go on that one.
    I don’t.

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  273. on August 11, 2009 at 9:11 am gunslingergregi

    You speak of outliers not normal woman, As majority you can play the clit to orgasm just like a fiddle any fiddle. eVen the escorts he he he

    ””””’Chic,
    2. It’s much more difficult for us achieve orgasm. Sara posted a reasonable hypothesis why this may be so.””””””””””””””””

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  274. on August 11, 2009 at 9:13 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’In all seriousness, I don’t know which way feminists would decide between 30 million men murdered and 1 woman taken for everything in divorce court.

    I really, honestly, don’t know which way they would go on that one.
    I don’t.””””””””””

    Truth

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  275. Happy to meet with you here, thanks above information, I will always come

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  276. ””””Cliff
    4. smart with lots of smart/right ideas”””””’

    Yea but do smart right ideas come from books or do they come from just copying people who are already successful with things that you can visually see every day. Do you need a book to be successful when real life examples are everywhere.

    Now game on the other hand you can’t see as easily than real life like getting money together. Although you can see that woman like shiney things lol

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  277. Some nice ideas. Although you wanna make sure you take her someplace you choose, not as a group decision. Otherwise she might think you are feeling out a pretend marriage, as this is what these trips are described as in the womens magazines.

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  278. Pupu is not 1, 2, 3, 4 because Pupu is not 9.

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  279. What do Pupu’s numbers refer to …?

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  280. Offer them to the kids, Hope. They are the ones who pay the heaviest price for parental misbehavior. Since you have brought up your father several times, you must know this.

    Oh, I do. I, too, paid the price for the sins of my parents. It is only appropriate that children of divorce tend to get divorced themselves.

    However, not having a father was not nearly as painful as what my mother wrought upon me. I could not escape her wrath or bitterness, and she set up the kind of relationship pattern I experienced for most of my young adult life. Nothing that any man ever did to me could be worse than what my mother did to me.

    If you love your kids, then do not let bitterness destroy your heart. Your kids deserve to see you happy, and they deserve to see at least one model of a healthy relationship. If their mother cannot show that for them, then you ought to. Otherwise, you are just a masculinist, as the counterpart to the feminist of this modern, lonely and bitter time.

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  281. YEA
    2+1=3
    1+4=5
    2+3=5
    4+2=6
    4+3=7
    1+2+3=6 so yea even a 6 can have three qualities but only a ten can have them all.

    AND
    4+3=7
    4+1+2=7

    AND
    2+3+4=9

    ALTHOUGH
    4+3+2+1=10

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  282. So basically you can have a two quality 7 so they could be same as a 3. The only really bad thing to be is a 1 or a 2 because only can have one quality. Kind of sucks.

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  283. 9 or 8 has to have multiple qualities because impossible to only have one or two. Same with 6 and 5.

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  284. “What do Pupu’s numbers refer to …?”

    Look at Cliff Arroyo’s post from 10 Aug 7:09pm.

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  285. on August 11, 2009 at 11:13 am Comment_Whatever

    Apropos of Nothing, I believe the oil cabal wants to take oil down and that they are going to soon.

    However, the super-aggressive telegraphing of DOWN that has taken place over the last three trading days has made me twitch out of my positions. They never give everyone this much time to board the train. I made a nice amount of money, but I could have made A LOT of money.

    However, the whole things just doesn’t look right. This could be entirely because the cabal’s desire for down, down, down is disrupting their ability to scam, and my paranoia is simply to high and I missed an opportunity. That said, the large downward move won’t start till at least after Monday next week and probably not to the end of August/start of September.

    But if you want to take twitch trading advice from a lousy twitch trader, oil will probably pop back up above 70/71 before that drop.

    This is with a complete lack of certainty on my part.

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  286. Maurice,

    1-4 was a classification of different 9s. You can find the descriptions somewhere in this thread. 9 is on the absolute beauty scale where Pupu does not think she is up in the 9s.

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  287. Could you day trade options Comment?

    Seems like it would be the thing to do.

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  288. Well to be honest pupu my wife is not a ten. I mean I look at her as a ten now based upon my love of her essense. Objectively she is not. Like when I first met her I didn’t think ten. Her body is a ten her face is about a 6 but I fell in love with her soul. So yea to me a ten. Her body does turn me on in a primal way so that does help. Then of course she does indeed have girl game. When I put her in a dress it is hotness.

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  289. … Then what is Pupu, looks-wise? 8? 7? 6?

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  290. Find a woman who is extremely smart, talented, capable, and good at her job.

    Good luck with that search…

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  291. Very Ugly, Rich, Smart, famous, and powerful men have multiple children with multiple models.
    Think the ugly rock god- or the ugly Hollywood producer; think about the ugly high powered banker and ceo.
    The daughters will then have dad’s smarts and mom’s looks.

    And the Ivy League schools are full of women with this exact combination.

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  292. ”””””””Find a woman who is extremely smart, talented, capable, and good at her job. ””””””””””’

    I know one who is beyond smart talented capable and awesome at the business she created but she is american and yells at the men in her life all day because they cannot keep up lol

    Be carefull what you wish for. Might want to include a couple more criteria in there.

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  293. So basically 5 years of being there for man in long distance relationship whenever he calls and get him over the humps and roadblocks on his goals can equal ten. Deserves to be held up on pedastal as his goddess. She helped me through the whole process from 2k to 100k on my initial 100k road.

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  294. Maurice, on a very good day, Pupu *could* be an 8.

    Gunny, she is well worth it.

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  295. a *very very* good day, really. The rest of the time, the sliding scale can be long.

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  296. yes, you see some examples with goldiggers, but there is a new era in which women (can) out-earn and do out-succeed men.

    so the real question will become- what if the woman makes more money than her man

    @dreamer —

    Hypergamy will prevent that from becoming the norm. Why? Women are not attracted, generally speaking, to men they out-earn. Perhaps for short-term sex, yes. But as mates? Nope.

    I’ve known a couple of these high powered woman, less high powered man type relationships, and unless the woman is in the less than 5% of women who are the dominatrix type (ie, likes submissive men), the relationships crash and burn simply because the women lose respect for the men, and shortly thereafter lose attraction for them as well.

    So the idea of future relationships featuring a lot of women who are more high powered and high earning than their mates is pretty unlikely.

    A much more likely scenario will be that significant numbers of women will simply not be able to find hypergamously satisfying mates, and will become single mothers, or simply remain single, having sex and less serious relationships with men who are sexually attractive, but not mate material.

    And the high-powered women who *do* find hypergamously acceptable mates will be just as likely to take such men “to the cleaners” upon divorce as the women of earlier generations, and for the same reason: they believe they are owed this.

    I know one such high powered divorced woman who pays a fairly small amount of CS to her ex-husband (she says she divorced him because of his “lack of ambition” — exactly the hypergamy dynamic I describe above) — they have shared custody,and she likes this because it gives her much more time to work on her high powered legal career. But she bitches about it all the time, because she doesn’t like paying the CS, thinks he is spending it on his new girlfriend and so on. But the moral of the story is this: relationships between high powered women and lesser powered men generally don’t work out, and as more women find themselves in the position of this women, they’ll be avoiding marrying such men — not only for reasons of hypergamy, but also for reasons of practicality (not wanting to be the payor ex-spouse rather than the payee ex-spouse).

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  297. ”””’Dreamer
    why the assumption that a woman wants to drain men after marriage?

    yes, you see some examples with goldiggers, but there is a new era in which women (can) out-earn and do out-succeed men.

    so the real question will become- what if the woman makes more money than her man and she can stand just fine on her own two feet with or without him?

    tables will turn.”””

    Tables turning, if by that you mean women not wanting marriage? That’s a FANTASTIC thing! The bloodsucking marriage/divorce industry will die a swift death.

    If a woman is as strong and independent as she claims herself to be, surely there’s no need for marriage? To paraphrase Tom Leykis, I’m not intimidated by a strong woman, but if you need a man call me, I’ll go over, lay the old strumboli, and then get the hell out. I just won’t marry you.

    Women are golddiggers by default, until proven otherwise. Many expired career slags secretly desire a man more successful, who will take her away from the daily grind and finance her early retirement. At her age, and with her domineering attitude, fat chance. Even the more successful ones spend like a lunatic, rack up credit debt. It’s great to spend like a drunken sailor darling(keeps the economy humming along); just make sure to settle your own bills and debts, and live at your own place.

    Michael Noer of Forbes was right about not marrying a career woman. Don’t even have a LTR with one. A fling, maybe. Depends on the looks scale.

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  298. Yea because it is career up until they want to have kids. Why you can adjust for this by getting career woman and making her build something lasting with that career so when it comes time she is raising kids she can do it as she sees fit without any repercussions. This is how you could show love for that career woman and how to be a man with them. Someone has to guide the money and work into something lasting or at the end of it all you are always still at square one.

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  299. on August 11, 2009 at 12:21 pm Black Military Man

    “Anyway, harem mangement is nothing new. Read your Qur’an or Kama Sutra. Both give detailed instructions as to how to go about it.”

    I assume none of you folks have ever been to the ghetto.

    There you can find plenty of triflin’ ass brothers who manage to keep a harem of women and who – get this – are totally financially supported by these women alone!

    This harem fantasy of the working suburban man has been the reality of the ghetto since it’s very inception.

    Nothin’ new. Nothin’ new at all.

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  300. Then when she “gives” up “career” for having kids and her hypergamy can be put to good use because you still have your “career” then good to go. She reverts to a real woman and you both get the benefit long term of her former “career”.

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  301. Yea black guy my one black friend that ever white man has was saying that I was trying to be a pimp. I tried to explain that I wasn’t gonna make the bitches fuck other guys. He was like so your gonna be a corporate pimp. Hard to explain lol

    And another thing good lord man not another never been to the ghetto black guy. They bring the ghetto to white people now lol What was a nice neighborhood becomes the ghetto.

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  302. And yea rain feminist always throw out afraid of being date raped. They don’t usually talk about gang raped or brutally raped it is some guy fucking them when they choose to get drunk. Or somehow they are gonna get raped while a football stadium watches it happen or in front of a group of people out in open somewhere. Not where all the people are raping the chick just that no one would do anything.

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  303. Black Military Man,

    “Anyway, harem mangement is nothing new. Read your Qur’an or Kama Sutra. Both give detailed instructions as to how to go about it.”

    BAM: I assume none of you folks have ever been to the ghetto.

    There you can find plenty of triflin’ ass brothers who manage to keep a harem of women and who – get this – are totally financially supported by these women alone!

    This harem fantasy of the working suburban man has been the reality of the ghetto since it’s very inception.

    Nothin’ new. Nothin’ new at all.

    O: With all due respect BAM, you not only have taken my quote all out of context, but you’ve made some rather unseemly assertions as well.

    Neither the Kama Sutra nor the Qur’an advocates living off Women, in fact both pretty much stipulates the reverse, especially the latter.

    With the PUA community, spening one’s money too early in the courtship dance is considered a bad move. After a sexual relationship has been established, then its cool for the Man to do for his Women if he so chooses.

    Anyway, just wanted to point these things out.

    O

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  304. Twenty years later, people would start wondering why families had gotten so much more stable again.

    I will not and shall not trade beta male freedom for “stable” families.

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  305. “I’m 25. I’m washed up, and a never will be.”

    Man David what the fuck is your problem, I’m a 26 y/o black male and in a similar situation as you……but at least I fucking want to win

    I come from a worse situation and have WAAAY more porn than you do….at least 5TB…

    but man go out and try your ass off to win, I come from a fatherless home, no male role models, I was molested as a child by a woman….I’m still a virgin, but at I fucking WANT to win….

    what the fuck is your problem…with that attitude, I hope you never get laid…EVER

    Trust me, I know how you feel, your frustration/confusion has made you cynical and isolated..but WAKE DA FUCK UP!!!

    -Tim

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  306. “beta male freedom”

    man fuck your beta male freedom…sitting in your room all day and beating off(and I’ve beaten off more than most) and not living your life isn’t freedom….you could live that exact same lifestyle in prison…

    I may be a virgin, but I’m no punk…I’m trying to fucking make it and bang models, strippers, actresses, the whole 9…

    I swear DA is just a character Roissy made up to prove some of his points and keep the discussion more lively…no way someone could be this fucking bitch made

    …oh yea and no apologies for the high school grammar…thats just how I roll…

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  307. Obsidian

    Black Military Man,

    “Anyway, harem mangement is nothing new. Read your Qur’an or Kama Sutra. Both give detailed instructions as to how to go about it.”

    BAM: I assume none of you folks have ever been to the ghetto.

    There you can find plenty of triflin’ ass brothers who manage to keep a harem of women and who – get this – are totally financially supported by these women alone!

    Hey Obsidian,

    would you believe that I go to the ghetto from time to time?

    Hanging out with SWPLs gets boring after a while, so I sometimes go to taverns in the ‘hood to drink beer and enjoy the fun. The atmosphere and vibe is far more relaxed than it is in white bars. In fact, when I see black guys with white women in white bars, I feel genuinely sorry for them, because they’re putting in way more effort than it’s worth. From all the time I’ve spent talking with black guys about how things are for them, there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between their women and ours in terms of behavior.

    Funny thing is, I don’t even pretend to be black at all at those places, and although I’ll get some guff for it sometimes I just laugh it off and then nobody gives me any trouble. In fact, it’s the same as going to cowboy bars out in the mountain West. I don’t fit in in either place, but folks tolerate a guy with a laid back attitude and a sense of humor about it.

    As for the harem thing, I definitely see it, but none of these guys has the women exclusively to themselves. You get a good looking black girl, and she’s got her pick of whatever she wants down there, and there’s nothing a guy can do about it. She has the police backing her up, after all.

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  308. We who can induce that sort of orgasm in women are too dominant and controlling to thrash around in the throes of orgasm and scream like a woman, as much as we might like to. So, whether by nature or by training, we stay much more impassive than we really are. Sure we might let out some noise, contort our faces, etc., but it’s just … manliness.

    No.

    Just as you get off seeing her get off, she can get off seeing you get off.

    A few of my girlfriends can come when sucking my cock, or otherwise seeing me excited.

    Showing emotion is good – the more you can feel, the better you are at sex.

    I scream my head off. Every time.

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  309. Epoxy

    Sure we might let out some noise, contort our faces, etc., but it’s just … manliness.

    There is no place for manliness on the bed.

    Dominance, yes. Stoicism, no.

    And its perfectly acceptable to be, at times, extremely feminine. As in be a bottom getting done and going wild in a completely receptive way.

    If you think that’s gay, you suck at sex.

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  310. @ Xsplat

    As in be a bottom getting done and going wild in a completely receptive way.

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not so much.

    If you think that’s gay, you suck at sex.

    Heh. No.

    Why the capital ‘X’? Are you a top today?

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  311. Lilgirl

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not so much.

    You’re fun to chat to, lilgirl, but forgive me if it makes no difference to me what you say on this matter.

    My empirical evidence shows that there is a place in the bedroom for a man being extremely feminine.

    We can do science on this subject if you like.

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  312. It’s like social capitol, Lilgirl. If you can afford to spend it, no harm.

    If your masculinity is unassailable, then no amount of being a bottom makes you weak. It’s just going from strength to strength.

    Show a girl a good time. Be a good time.

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  313. @ Xsplat

    Haha, okay, okay. I can see what you’re saying — however, a guy taking the submissive role would be an immediate, irreversible turn-off for me.

    I’m not as inflexible as some of us, that I can’t see how some people would enjoy the switch. However, I’d say this is probably not the large majority.

    There is no place in MY bedroom for a man to be feminine.

    Just my two cents.

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  314. @lil grl – There is no place in MY bedroom for a man to be feminine.

    Here ya sistah. I dated this lovely doctor last year for a few months. Smart, treated me super well etc etc. But was submissive in the boudoir. Ya….I tried to imagine I was submissive to his submissive needs, but didn’t work..had to break it off. He was heart broken. I still feel bad but would never go back. I need a dominant male in my life and in my bedroom.

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  315. Lilgirl and Aoefe.

    Is there a failure of communication? Perhaps.

    If you’ve read some of my other posts, you’ll see that I’m extremely dominant, sexually.

    I can afford whatever the fuck I want in the bedroom.

    It’s my bedroom.

    Nothing I do is submissive. Unless I order it.

    It works. Try it if you don’t believe it.

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  316. I’m not advocating my particular sexual style. No one could if they tried. I’m saying passion is not weak. The more the better.

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  317. @xplast

    Not trying to argue with you. I didn’t like being the dominant, aggressive partner in the bedroom. He NEVER took the lead. So if he took the lead and ordered me to be the boss that would have been different. Just sayin…

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  318. on August 12, 2009 at 2:01 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    And its perfectly acceptable to be, at times, extremely feminine. As in be a bottom getting done and going wild in a completely receptive way.

    No, dude.

    Just no.

    I mean, no.

    I don’t even feel the need to mount a rational defense here. I mean, from where I stand, “it’s acceptable to be extremely feminine in bed” is like “it’s acceptable to fuck the shit out of your sister”.

    No.
    Even if she’s hot.

    I mean… ick. Not only would it be horrible and awful and unnatural, but it would probably ruin things the other way around, too. I mean, how can you enjoy sticking things in a girl and hearing her howl, if you were just the stick-ee the previous night?

    weesh

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  319. on August 12, 2009 at 2:01 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    And its perfectly acceptable to be, at times, extremely feminine. As in be a bottom getting done and going wild in a completely receptive way.

    No, dude.

    Just no.

    I mean, no.

    I don’t even feel the need to mount a rational defense here. I mean, from where I stand, “it’s acceptable to be extremely feminine in bed” is like “it’s acceptable to fuck the shit out of your sister”.

    No.
    Even if she’s hot.

    I mean… ick. Not only would it be horrible and awful and unnatural, but it would probably ruin things the other way around, too. I mean, how can you enjoy sticking things in a girl and hearing her howl, if you were just the stick-ee the previous night?

    weesh

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  320. You know what else is a turn-off in the bedroom?

    Guys who think “weesh” is a word.

    SRSLY.

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  321. You’ll “weesh” you never said that lilgrl. heh

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  322. Epoxy, lying down and getting a blowjob is receptive.

    That’s what I’m calling feminine.

    Also, low grunts are good, but sometimes the voice will make other noises, as you feel the sex rise up to your head.

    Sex is human – the more humanity you avail yourself of, the more instrumentation you allow yourself to play.

    There is no running away from the inner feminine in sex.

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  323. Also, men can orgasm from a prostate massage. Try it.

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  324. “There is no running away from the inner feminine in sex.”

    Huh??? WTF. K, explat that was weird. Just sayin…

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  325. on August 12, 2009 at 2:11 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ el splatto x

    Epoxy, lying down and getting a blowjob is receptive.

    That’s what I’m calling feminine.

    Wait, dude.

    THAT’s what you mean by “be a bottom getting done and going wild in a completely receptive way”?

    Are you serious?

    You fucker!

    I feel like one of P.T. Barnum’s suckers who just paid to see the egress.

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  326. Aoefe, what do you consider feminine? And in what ways is it weird for a man to be feminine?

    Are we talking past each other here? Or do we understand what each other is saying, and just don’t agree?

    For me there it is inescapable to be sexually receptive. That’s a feminine stance.

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  327. Well what did you think I was talking about, Epoxy? Acting fey?

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  328. @ Xsplat

    Epoxy, lying down and getting a blowjob is receptive.

    That’s what I’m calling feminine.

    Whaaaa…

    Oh, c’mon. That’s not at all what you were talking about, and, well, if it was, then we need to get back on the same page.

    @ Epoxy

    I feel like one of P.T. Barnum’s suckers who just paid to see the egress.

    SRSLY

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  329. @ Xsplat

    I think we might be on the same page here…?

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  330. Epoxy, you implied men should be stoic in bed.

    That’s what I disagree about. I brought out the boogeyman term feminine, in order to highlight that there is no need for stoicism in the bedroom.

    It’s a place for wild fun and passion. Screaming your head off passion.

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  331. So I’m coming from the place that sex is or can be wild. Wild sex from a man or from a woman does not need to be defined as feminine. Why does the type of sexual expression need a gender assignment? Just sayin…

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  332. Isn’t it what we were talking about?

    What did you have in mind?

    Getting a blowjob is not all that different from getting a prostate massage.

    And girls get off doing either. And it’s a receptive stance for the man to take.

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  333. xplat perhaps you meant the girl wearing a strap on and giving you the ole heave and ho.

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  334. Why does the type of sexual expression need a gender assignment? Just sayin…

    Epoxy considered that it was unmanly to be too noisy.

    I corrected him, by saying it’s unsexy to worry about being manly.

    So we agree.

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  335. on August 12, 2009 at 2:27 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ splatto x

    Epoxy, you implied men should be stoic in bed.

    “Should” is a complete misinterpretation.

    I said:
    So, whether by nature or by training, we stay much more impassive than we really are.

    Meaning – being too demonstrative in the bedroom is sort of like crying in public. A very young man would have to try to “be stoic”, but, after a certain age, it’s natural.

    When it’s truly exceptional, I won’t be able to control making a certain degree of noise / involuntary movement. Which is cool especially in contrast to the usual. Makes it extra special, like getting a compliment from the asshole coach who’s always talking shit.

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  336. aoefe

    xplat perhaps you meant the girl wearing a strap on and giving you the ole heave and ho.

    I like the way your mind works, Aoefe.

    Not my fantasy, but I can work with it.

    Speaking of fantasies, me and my girl are trying to seduce a local waitress. She’s only 15, but she is the hottest and smallest little girl.

    Life is good.

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  337. @ Xsplat

    Epoxy considered that it was unmanly to be too noisy.

    Hahahaha, perhaps it was because this comment:

    I scream my head off. Every time.

    Elicits images of you yelling bloody murder when you cum.

    And we thought our neighbors hated us…

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  338. Epoxy, my contention is that noise is sexy.

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  339. Xsplat, I consider myself extremely versatile, but there are lines between roles in my range.

    Sex, and how it’s had, is like the barometer of a relationship. There’s a point when occasional role reversal turns into him being the girl, and the actual girl not getting her own girl needs met. Guys should mind that border.

    It’s one reason I’m more relaxed about the polyamory thing than some other women. If there’s something a guy needs that might cross certain borders, he should get those things from someone else, rather than try to get me to do it because of “one-itis”.

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  340. Xsplat you got to be careful on the feminine thing with our girls there eyes have already been opened to the chick fucking a guy whoever put that shit in there heads should be shot.

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  341. Ghost, that was all very vague. Which I understand – people don’t like to be explicit about sex. But I have no idea what you are talking about.

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  342. If you call her right after the romantic weekend, you might be surprised to find she doesn’t pick up her phone or, if she does, she sounds weird and snippish. Don’t let this throw you; it’s just her brain settling down after you powerfully jostled it from its humdrum routine. Calling too soon means you risk getting ensnared in her confusion. But by waiting a couple days to make your post romantic weekend followup call, you’ll find she has returned to normal and is happier than ever to hear from you.

    The considerate thing to do is call her the next day. The rules guy thing to do is wait a few days to keep her feeling insecure. Here’s a reality check, it’s not you who have jostled it from its humdrum routine it’s called mother nature and hormonal attachment; a slightly bigger phenomena than your pathetic contribution.

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  343. Xsplat, I’ll put it another way.

    Once a supposedly straight guy I’m seeing asks me to stick more than a finger, maybe two inside him, something tells me that he hasn’t exactly been honest about his orientation. Maybe he’s been lying to himself, but the way things are today, it’s most likely just me he’s lying to.

    Guys who are Bi have ample opportunity to get their dang on, and you and I both know they’re not saving themselves or going through tons of female bullshit just to get laid. That’s kind of one of the good things about them. They’re not desperate for sex, and don’t really need females for anything but what’s uniquely female.

    The problem is not orientation alone. It’s position. Most women are kind of sub, and are looking for a guy who’s Dom. Even when they’re not, the relationship between a female Domme and a male sub isn’t usually directly sexual for the female. It’s more psychosexual and more often than not, clitoral when it is sexual.

    So a girl getting into a relationship needs to know if her man is a bottom before the sex starts. There’s nothing wrong with being a bottom, it’s just not what most women are looking for. It’s bad form for a guy to lure a woman into a relationship with a false dominance, and then ask her to do him in the bum with a dildo.

    It has happened to more than one woman I know in and out of the BDSM community. They feel cheated even if they decide to go along with it because they love the guy. They either lose the desire to have sex with him, or feel that some crucial part of the man is dead for them, or never existed.

    So if a guy wants to keep Dom status with me, but wants to fully be a sub to someone, it isn’t going to be me. If he turns sub with me, that’s the end of penetrative sex and his exclusivity, because I need my primary partner to be equally or more Dominant than me.

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  344. Hmmm…after I typed that, I thought of one possible exception in the buttsecks thing: an anti surgical androgyne.

    Some guys are basically transexual, but comfortable with how nature/God made them, and have no interest in chopping up their parts or taking hormones. If a technical male was like this, he could be Dom in the same way that a female could be Domme…so he’d be like a male Domme.

    In this situation, the relationship between him and a woman would be something like a Lesbian relationship, and there would probably be less conflict so long as everything was on the table from the beginning. If the dude was wearing a dress when I met him, I couldn’t well complain that I didn’t know that about him.

    So yeah, a fierce androgyne could take it in the rear without being perceived as a bottom…but the way they went about it would likely be very different.

    Thinking about it, that would take a very strong, very submissive woman to withstand all that.

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  345. on August 12, 2009 at 6:41 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Nicole

    an anti surgical androgyne

    Occasionally I like to close my eyes, pinch my ears, put on some imaginary classical music, and imagine that men are just men and women are just women, and that that list of 2 is both mutually exclusive and exhaustive.

    Phrases like “anti-surgical androgyne” make me want to get on the next one-way flight to 1955. Ugh. Maybe I’m just a kountry bumpkin.

    This is very irrational, because I appreciate the proliferation of variety in everything else. I love that there are over forty different sub-genres of house music, 31 varieties of baskin robbins, and 25 colors of oakley half jacket frames.

    But genders?
    Hell no.
    Damas y caballeros.
    Fin.

    (For some reason I’m reminded of my grandfather, a year before his death, becoming absolutely incensed at the presence of 5 flavors of Corn Nuts at our drugstore.)

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  346. Ghost, there is nothing gay or bi about anal sex. Men have prostates. Did you know that the female G-spot is merely a prostate? It’s smaller in the woman, and not all women have them, but there it is.

    Sucks for your men if you don’t like to pleasure them.

    As for me, I’m naturaly and unarguably dominant. And my women enjoy pleasuring me.

    I would know if they didn’t. People aren’t that mysterious or hard to read.

    You don’t have to be a sub to like using your full body for sex.

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  347. Welmer,
    Oh yea, I hear ya. White guys like yourself understand and know that once you get past the color thing, there ain’t that much difference wrt the sexes. Black Women do have some differences in relation to their White sisters, but like you said, its essentially the same, as Game makes clear.

    As for harems and the like, you’re right, but isn’t that true of going steady, too? I mean, there really isn’t any way for certain, short of using private investigators and lie detector tests, to determine whether your Woman (or Man, if you’re a Woman) has a little somethin, somethin’ on the side. And for my money, its not something worth getting gray hair over-people are gonna do what they’re gonna do, no matter what. All *I* ask is that my Woman be straight up w/me. I can and have handled open relationships in the past and would do so again if the situation warranted it, so long as we had this understanding from the get go-when someone does something on the DL, to me it says something bad about their character that I really don’t want any part of. People need to stop getting ish twisted-there IS a such thing as a Principled Freak.

    O

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  348. Xsplat, we’re not talking about philosophy. We’re talking about male/female interactions day to day on planet earth.

    The anus was not made for penetration. Any doctor, even Gay bottom doctors who enjoy anal sex, will tell you that. That the prostate is able to be stimulated by that route is irrelevant to the damage that is done by rubbing a blunt object directly against a mucous membrane.

    People who do sounding through the urethra are also aware of this despite how stimulating it is to them. It feels good for the same reason flossing does, but if you do it too much, you’re going to harm yourself.

    A finger or two should be more than enough to perform prostate stimulation with minimal damage. There are vibrators and dildoes that are specifically made for this, and do not look like penii, and are not very big. They’re small for easy insertion.

    At the point where a guy needs something as big as and in the shape of a penis, he has gone Gay…as Gay as if a woman was getting off by rubbing against a model of a vagina. If you want a dick or a replica thereof, to get there, you’re at least a little Gay. Period.

    Having said that, there is nothing wrong with being Gay. Let’s just not try to make it something that it isn’t. If you’re with an understanding female partner, that’s great. You’re a lucky guy if she truly doesn’t see you as a girl or as Gay for liking it that way…but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re a dude who enjoys at least the physical stimulation that would, without machinery, be provided by a dude.

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  349. I have a friend who follows Xsplat´s views about anal sex. I told him exactly what Nicole and LILGRL said, that girls would leave him after a while (what has happened consistently in the 8 years I have known this guy).

    There are alpha guys who have some O m e g a behaviour. I have a friend who cannot act aloof with girls, he is as emotive as a girl in fights, in discussing the relationship, etc. So he is always in fighting mode with his girls, who find hard to leave him because of his alpha vibe

    But accept fingers in the anus is an extreme o m e g a behaviour.

    and Xsplat, “As for me, I’m naturaly and unarguably dominant. “, that was a gay comment

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  350. Someone said “it is much more difficult for us [women] to reach orgasm. Sara posted a reasonable explanation for why this might be so” or words to that effect — I couldn’t find the explanation

    Here’s my own theory, it’s probably been thought of and stated before somewhere, but for what it’s worth: Men MUST have an orgasm in order to get the sperm delivery happening. Women don’t have to have an orgasm in order to get pregnant. Thus there is no natural-selection pressure for orgasmic ability in females, whereas non-orgasmic males simply won’t pass their genes on. Seems pretty obvious.

    However, I have a hazy memory of some information to the effect that female orgasm draws sperm (if present) closer to the cervix, through certain muscle movements, and if that is true, it would result in orgasmic ability in females being somewhat advantaged in selection. Perhaps this is enough to explain the ability of many (is it most?) women to experience orgasm, difficulty notwithstanding.

    It is indeed very difficult for many women to orgasm, and speaking only for myself as a man, once I began to realize what a bloody chore it was (in those cases), I stopped knocking myself out so much. Really, I can’t blame a lot of men for simply not giving a flying fuck whether the lay has an orgasm or not, when the effort is like carrying a piano up several flights of stairs. Perhaps the woman has an easier time the more she’s in love, in which case I give a hearty slap on the back and raise a glass to such lucky couples.

    Also, it seems that orgasm or not, women get much more pleasure out of the sex act than men do — another incentive for men to not fret themselves too much over female orgasm or lack of it.

    Then there are the ancient Greek legends about the prophet Tiresias, who offended Zeus’s wife Hera (the Queen of Heaven, more or less) in some way and was punished by being changed into a woman for seven years, during which he became a famous prostitute Afterwards, he again ran afoul of Hera by spilling the secret that the woman enjoys sex “nine times as much as the man.” She thereupon blinded him for life.

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  351. I really don’t see what all the fuss is about here. Both Xsplat and Nicole are correct. I really don’t have a dog in the fight here, but it occurs to me that being gay entails a bit more than merely liking one’s prostate bein massaged. That said, it’s undeniable that anal sex is part of the gay sex routine.

    O

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  352. Ok wtf happened? wtf just happened?

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  353. :: sigh ::

    Read what I wrote please. It seems like people are getting a little overly defensive.

    I never said that any prostate stimulation was Gay…just that in a bottom/sumissive position with more than two fingers is Gay.

    If a guy needs something the size of a cock in there, I don’t care what his lips are saying. His ass is saying it wants a cock. It doesn’t matter who’s holding the cock.

    …and whether or not he’s telling you about it, a good gambler would bet on his being on the downlow.

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  354. ….I have never ever met a man who doesn’t occasionally like to switch it up sexually

    the only one who didn´t was the drug dealer whom you chose to get pregnant from

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  355. on August 12, 2009 at 5:20 pm whogivesa....

    I have been reading this site as of late and while I dont agree with most that is being said Im not going to respond to most of it. This sex talk, however, is interesting to me.

    A lot of what Xsplat has said here and on some of the other threads really bothered me, but much of what he said about sex I agree with. There is a lot of labeling going on here, when the only thing that matters is what’s consensual between the parties engaging in whatever sexual activity. Xsplat is right on there. If he enjoys anal probing who gives a fuck what you people think about that? Hes having sex and getting off and enjoying it. Women DO want to hear their partner is enjoying sex – if I am blowin some dude and he doesnt utter a word, I might just stop and leave, cause uhh thats kinda boring and he isnt worthy of my BJ skills. Anyway, when men are secure in their own masculinity, anything goes in the bedroom (or kitchen, or car, or park, or living room, or parents home, or take your pick).

    Katto – wow, are you a guy? How can you be so clueless? Men do NOT have to orgasm to ejaculate. Where did you get such unscientific tripe? Some of these biological positions used to explain some things on this site make me literally laugh out loud. Also, if you are someone on here that laments about lack of sex, its probably cause you dont care if your partner gets off per your post. Real men (or alpha as its called here) want their partner to orgasm.

    About the female orgams, I think that poster might have been referring to the internal (vaginal) orgasm which is NOT something most women experience. However, as Xsplat pointed out, guys better learn to manipulate, tease and tantalize that clit!

    On an unrelated note, I like dominance in bed, but I expect equality in everyday life. You give, you get – simple as that.

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  356. LR

    On the dominance DURING actual sex….I have never ever met a man who doesn’t occasionally like to switch it up sexually (usually in a LTR) and have the woman be dominant. It surprises me that (Aoefe) doesn’t like that occasional switch and him being comfortable with himself and to be open about things.

    Conversely, most women like to sometimes be on top. Most women like to occasionally switch it up.

    It’s weird that some people worry about losing masculinity points over this. It’s excellent to delve into all aspects of sexuality, regularly. Being one thing all the time is monotonous.

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  357. Mu there IS a such thing as a Principled Freak
    This made me smile mu.

    Katto
    Someone said “it is much more difficult for us [women] to reach orgasm. Sara posted a reasonable explanation for why this might be so” or words to that effect — I couldn’t find the explanation

    Sorry, I posted that and Sara posted her hypothesis about a year ago. Her reasoning was the vagina isn’t as sensitive as the penis to make child birth bearable.

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  358. ””””’Real men (or alpha as its called here) want their partner to orgasm. ”””

    Naa really it is betas that give a fuck about that. Sad but true.

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  359. @Poetry – I meant that women are nurtured to believe that we aren’t suppose to have sex like a man.

    Epoxytocin No. 87 Meaning – being too demonstrative in the bedroom is sort of like crying in public. A very young man would have to try to “be stoic”, but, after a certain age, it’s natural.

    Thank God you have your looks. You would be so boring and this is from someone who is very boring. Probably painful too 😦

    @everyone- I swear I don’t get how you guys misunderstood xsplat’s point.

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  360. ”””I think that poster might have been referring to the internal (vaginal) orgasm which is NOT something most women experience. ”””””””

    That is not true either. It is what the outlier feminists don’t ever experience (like the woman are are lesbian one minute and then want to have kids go straight sort of woman)

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  361. Actual woman love sex repeat that actual woman love sex

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  362. Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Real men (or alpha as its called here) want their partner to orgasm. ”””

    Naa really it is betas that give a fuck about that. Sad but true.

    Ok, here’s the thing.

    Mirror neurons.

    The best lover is the lover who is enjoying herself the most.

    My current girl is so incredible sexually, not because of what she does to me, but because of how much she comes. Her (loud) pleasure is pleasurable to me.

    That this mindset is not obvious to people baffles me, and I then consider most men to be sexually incompetent. I’m told that most men actually are.

    And it comes back to making noise. Noise is a turn on. Not a turn off. The more you enjoy yourself, the more the lover will. The more likely she’ll come, also.

    Be noisy. If you are not, then the sex isn’t heightened enough. Trick is to come close to coming, but don’t come, and then go over the edge. Without coming. That ought to make you scream. And taking a woman to a similiarly heightened place ought to make her scream. It is involuntary. If the throat muscle can be controlled during sex, its tepid sex.

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  363. Yea woman will orgasm with an alpha but not that the alpha gives a fuck.

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  364. Noise is hot. Whoever doesnt think this cant possibly be having good sex and has other issues to deal with. If you are trying to maintain some semblance of anything in bed other than someone receiving and giving pleasure you gots issues.

    Gunslinger – I havent agreed with anyone that youve posted on this site but thats irrelevant, suffice to say you dont know what a “real” woman is, only what YOU want a real woman to be, which apparently is one that does not enjoy sex (?!?!). On the orgasm thing, there are studies out there, go google – most women NEVER experience a vaginal orgasm (i think the stats are women that do or claim they do in a study is about 40%), thus all the influx in men’s mags and other areas of media about how to stimulate the clit, read up on it.

    “Actual woman love sex repeat that actual woman love sex”

    I dont know what you mean by “actual” but women like sex with men that they get off with yeah. When women dont want to have sex, a lot of the time its cause their partner does not get them off on a regular basis thus it becomes a chore. That is not to belittle her responsibility in making sure she gets an orgasm, but if a guy wants to get off he has an obligation to sexually satisfy his partner as well. Sex and sexuality is about exploring, having fun, getting off, etc. Im not about to fuck some guy that has no interest in wanting to get me off. I have hands and fingers for that. You write like you subscribe to some notion that the end all be all of sex is the penis, but I once read a study (one a men’s site no less) which listed sex acts favored by women from most desired to least and it went like this: oral, manual (fingers, heel of hand stimulating clit), penetration. I think women are the deciders of what gets them off, not some guy. Just like men decide what makes them hot. But anything goes if its consensual.

    Xsplat:

    “That this mindset is not obvious to people baffles me, and I then consider most men to be sexually incompetent. I’m told that most men actually are.”

    Yes, most guys are pretty incompetent and need to read more about the clit. Also, guys that talk a lot about sex or how good they are, whatever, are almost always really bad at it. As they say, talk is cheap.

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  365. Well I give a fuck. It a quality of life issue that I take seriously.

    Not all women come, and women vary in their orgasmic ability. The one in my bed now is a super-star. If I described how long she can come people would not believe me. That raises my quality of life. My other current girlfriend rarely comes. Drove me nuts after a while, and was the main reason I had to find fresh pussy.

    Women vary, greatly, sexually. As do men. Some of us need sexual intensity in a mate. Need, as in need.

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  366. “Gunslingergregi

    Yea woman will orgasm with an alpha but not that the alpha gives a fuck.”

    You have issues, lol. One thing I find funny about this site and the people posting on it and/or seeking guidance to get laid is that if guys were truthful to women about what they wanted then they might get laid more, but not necessarily by their first choice or second choice even.

    What is wrong with airing your true intentions and letting a woman decide whether she wants to then fuck you? Like “I want to take you home and eat you out till you come all over my face, after which I will push you onto your knees and fuck your mouth before shoving my cock so far inside of you, youll be begging me to pull your hair to bring you back to earth.” Well, maybe thats just my fantasy – anyway guys need to learn to talk dirty without using the word slut all the time. I write erotica, I like explicit, descriptive talk – not “yeah take that, youre my slut, yeah” . Anyway, as I said before real men want their partner to enjoy sex – it goes both ways. Also, if guys offered oral more, they might get laid more.

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  367. Whogivesa, labelling is part of having a language. I don’t buy the PC anti labelling pretty fairy smack. It’s a cop out.

    The most important thing in this is indeed that it’s two (or more) consenting adults enjoying themselves, but if a guy enjoys cock in his ass, he should be honest with whoever his partner is. He should also accept the reality that, lacking a cock, not being male, and likely being somewhat submissive, unless she is a Lesbian, a guy who is basically a girl is going to bore the crap out of her.

    She won’t be getting her needs met if she is looking for man stuff from a girl.

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  368. Nicole, your brain isn’t very good at forming appropriate associations. You associate wildly, and lack nuance.

    And your views remain fixed, regardless of input.

    Why you are attracted to writing is beyond me.

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  369. Xsplat, my brain is working just fine, and everybody here knows I’ve been a freak all my life…just a sane one. I don’t see the association between a man liking cock + sized objects in one’s anus, and homosexuality as inappropriate, especially since I have the experience in relatively long term relationships and various freak communities to know what I’m talking about.

    As others, yourself included, are fond of telling me, the exceptions don’t change the general rule. There may exist a few men on the planet who like cock in their ass, but are not Gay. However, the vast majority of guys who like to take it in the ass are Gay. One of the signs of Gayness is a man enjoying anal penetration. If he enjoys it so much that he asks women to play substitute men, just to protect his veneer of heterosexuality, that makes him a closet homosexual…not a straight guy who just likes cock in his ass.

    It’s hard to believe I’m having this conversation…and it’s very telling of some people’s supposed “open mindedness” that they should have such a big problem with a guy who likes to take it up the pooper being Gay or at least bisexual.

    My views were fixed from many years of experience. I’ve had the opportunity to see how these things develop with time.

    You can lie to yourself as much as you like. Just please don’t drag a woman and some children down with you.

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  370. Nicole, you are a bitch.

    And stupid too.

    Only a borderline would assume to tell another person what their sexual orientation is.

    And don’t bother repeating yourself 20 more times. Your wrong view was clearly stated.

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  371. Xsplat, good morning. I am a bitch. Is it relevant?

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  372. Oh, and you forgot fat, faggot. LOL!

    (One day when your persecution complex calms down, or you come out of the closet, you’ll understand that my “wrong view” wasn’t even written as your filters are reading it. It’s as if you don’t even see who you’re talking to.)

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  373. ””””””””’whogivesa…
    “Gunslingergregi

    Yea woman will orgasm with an alpha but not that the alpha gives a fuck.”

    You have issues, lol.””””’

    Come on you can’t just go off one statement lol

    Just saying the reason I have practiced so much at sex is to overcompensate for my non alphaness in the balls area. If I had a big dick I probably wouldn’t care too much about “making the woman have fun”. Like yea then life would be too easy and woman would be no big deal and I would probably end up going gay. Since woman are a challenge in my mind then not gay. So yea understand now?

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  374. ”””””’Ghost of Nicole
    Whogivesa, labelling is part of having a language. I don’t buy the PC anti labelling pretty fairy smack. It’s a cop out.””””””””””””””’

    Come on now labeling does work and we all know it does. When you can label a group worthless you can exterminate that goup. Remember that.

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  375. Gunny, you’re one to talk…

    So lemmie get this straight, just to avoid confusion:

    It’s okay for you guys to endlessly rag on me about being fat and Black, two physical traits I can’t just snap my fingers and change, and wouldn’t want to.

    …but it’s not okay for me to, without any condemnation, say that men getting fucked in the ass is a Gay activity.

    Remember some time ago, when I said that people who look down on me should not expect mercy?

    Bear in mind that you’re not getting a fraction of what you’ve given, and kindly fuck off.

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  376. on August 13, 2009 at 6:23 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Gunslinger

    Like yea then life would be too easy and woman would be no big deal and I would probably end up going gay.

    Dude, this makes no sense.

    Pulling easy pussy will turn you gay?

    Um.
    No.

    @ nicole

    …but it’s not okay for me to, without any condemnation, say that men getting fucked in the ass is a Gay activity.

    Nicole, you are correct on this one. Receiving is gay. Period. End of story.

    Easy question:
    Would you tell your friends if you did sexual thing X with a girl?
    If the answer is “no”, and it’s not some extreme fetish, like scat, then…
    …it’s probably gay.

    That is all.

    Sorry, bend-over-boyfriends.

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  377. on August 13, 2009 at 6:29 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ who gives a

    What is wrong with airing your true intentions and letting a woman decide whether she wants to then fuck you? Like “I want to take you home and eat you out till you come all over my face, after which I will push you onto your knees and fuck your mouth before shoving my cock so far inside of you, youll be begging me to pull your hair to bring you back to earth.”

    This will obviously only work on women who already want to fuck the guy who’s speaking.

    Woe betide him if she doesn’t. That would get ugly. Oh man.

    guys need to learn to talk dirty without using the word slut all the time. I write erotica, I like explicit, descriptive talk – not “yeah take that, youre my slut, yeah” .

    If you’re IN A RELATIONSHIP and you object to being called his little slut, he should dump you. Immediately.

    My girl wears a piece of jewelry that says (engraved) that she’s my little slut. And it’s a piece of jewelry that physically can’t be taken off without being damaged.

    But yeah, if you’re not in some type of relationship, that’s sort of creepy.
    meaning “MY slut” is creepy for a one nighter.
    just “slut” isn’t. That’s hot. Admit it.
    Slut.

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  378. Oh lord nooooo noooooooooo not the kindly fuck off.
    As you can see though evil is a merry go round. he he he
    People complain about a certain thing then turn around and use it on someone else when it suits them. So yea I thought you would of had compassion he he he
    Life doesn’t work that way though does it.
    Let go of the hate if you hate.
    Better to not like.

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  379. on August 13, 2009 at 7:13 am msexceptiontotherule

    She needs to EARN that shit and work HARD for the OPPORTUNITY you granted her. Any man that rushes into it out of “love” is asking for trouble.

    So walk on bare foot for me
    Suffer some misery
    If you want my love
    If you want my love…”

    – Depeche Mode

    Tupac Chopra: given the fact that Dave Gahan is always getting himself in trouble for drugs, I would have interpreted his lyrics as a description of his habit, since his preferred poison is heroin. I also tend to believe that the guy is gay, just very quiet about his amorous proclivities.

    Right now, I’m glad that I live in a community property state, where everything that is acquired during the course of the marriage is split right down the middle. I see nothing wrong with a man getting alimony should he make less and has the ability to show a genuine need for the financial assistance.

    I had a guy friend who always brought the concept of polyamorous activities into his relationships, which I had hypothesized his reason for doing so was because it benefitted him. In earlier relationships, he was the only one who had secondary relationships going. His entire view changed when the person having additional relationships going on while in a primary was NOT him. It was sad really, he had done a lot of work to open his girlfriend up to the possibility of open relationships, and when she left him for the other guy it was because that guy didn’t want to share her with anyone.

    I seriously question the basis’ upon which marriage has been declared indentured servitude. Doesn’t it depend on the people in a marriage? If the marriage isn’t formed out of material need but because the people want to be together – what harm is being done to others because of that choice? I know it may seem like giving up everything that defines one as an individual, but think of all the tax benefits that come with the piece of paper, and if that’s not good enough, there’s all the housework that you don’t have to do anymore once you get married.

    A fetus meets all the criteria that defines a biological parasite.

    Yay birth control.

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  380. on August 13, 2009 at 8:39 am whogivesa....

    Epoxytocin No. 87
    @ who gives a

    What is wrong with airing your true intentions and letting a woman decide whether she wants to then fuck you? Like “I want to take you home and eat you out till you come all over my face, after which I will push you onto your knees and fuck your mouth before shoving my cock so far inside of you, youll be begging me to pull your hair to bring you back to earth.”

    This will obviously only work on women who already want to fuck the guy who’s speaking.

    Woe betide him if she doesn’t. That would get ugly. Oh man.

    —ok DUH?!?!? THAT is what I am saying — I have been reading this site for a couple days, and the guys on here would rather manipulate women to have sex with them rather than just be honest and get what they get. Your selective quoting failed to mention my previous sentence that the woman that would respond to this might not be the guy’s first or even second choice, but someone will respond to this. A woman in a bar/club/anywhere setting turns a guy down cause she doesnt find him physically attractive, in that women are no different than men.

    Sex is about what is consensual between two parties. If I was in a relationship and my man already knew I didnt like being called a slut and he wanted to leave because of that, well dont let the door hit him on the way out. Thats like saying if I say no to golden showers even before we ever have sex and then we become exclusive and he wants it I should just give it to him. Uhh, no. Should I consider it and hear him out? Yes. Do I need to do it for him even if it makes me uncomfortable? Hell, no.

    About the jewelry thing, hahaha. If some guy I am with feels the need to brand me then that is not someone I want to be with. My man needs to feel confident that I am with him and will always come back to him because of what we have together, not because he has some lame prescribed ownership of me. How gauche.

    Ghost – Seriously, who are you to label someone’s else’s sex activities as gay or straight? Get over yourself. Open mindedness means not judging others for what they do with each other, so long as its consensual. Its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Even gay people say that who they have sex with doe not define who they are, just like it doesnt define straight people. Oh, and that stereotypical “i dont subscribe to PC nonsense” response?

    Gunslinger – I can tell, bout the issues. Take no offense cause who the fuck am i right?!? Read my first post. You DO subscribe to the notion that the penis is the end all be all of sex, cause you said you feel you must compensate (by using other sex acts) cause you claim to have non alphaness in the balls area. That was funny. Anyway, REAL men know that sex is not all about the cock. I dont care what the definition of alpha is, Im talking about real men who enjoy sex. You made a lot of “I couldnt” statements to Ghost when you really mean “I wont.” Obviously, you physically could, but you dont want to thus you wont/wouldnt. Yeah, language does matter.

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  381. ””””””””’why give a shit
    ok DUH?!?!? THAT is what I am saying — I have been reading this site for a couple days, and the guys on here would rather manipulate women to have sex with them rather than just be honest and get what they get. Your selective quoting failed to mention my previous sentence that the woman that would respond to this might not be the guy’s first or even second choice, but someone will respond to this. A woman in a bar/club/anywhere setting turns a guy down cause she doesnt find him physically attractive, in that women are no different than men. ””””’

    Yea you need to read the apocalypse opener thread that is more what I tend to do. Everyone has a style they do. People are different in some ways irregardless of what you have been told.

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  382. My dick and eye are two different entities lol
    He tried it once and that was it.
    He doesn’t like getting raped lol

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  383. on August 13, 2009 at 9:39 am whogivesa....

    @ gunslinger

    “Yea you need to read the apocalypse opener thread that is more what I tend to do. Everyone has a style they do. People are different in some ways irregardless of what you have been told.”

    I dont even know what this refers to. A lot of the posters on here write in ways that dont even make sense, grammatically or otherwise, so not really surprised. You must be kidding if you think Im gonna search for some other thread on here so YOU can prove/make your point. The last sentence, again duh!?!

    The post after, huh?

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  384. Go to the search box type it in and read roissy’s post this is not rocket science we are talking here.

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  385. on August 13, 2009 at 10:59 am whogivesa....

    @gunslinger

    My bad, not familiar with wordpress and did not see search box at top cause I wasnt lookin for it. I think the apocalypse opener is fine/honest and if a guy used that on me and I thought he was attractive and I wanted to get laid, Id probably fuck him that night. The way some of the guys talk on this site its like they feel they are taking away a woman’s choice to have sex with them, they are getting with them through manipulation, but obviously whether she says yay or nay, its still her choice. Women fuck like men too. They wont fuck some dude just because hes plied her with a couple of lines if they dont find him attractive, gimme a break, lol. I just dont get why guys then turn around on this site and call them bitches, hoes, poon, etc. Its just tacky.

    Another thing i read on the AO thread is persistence – I think it should be a given that both men and women like to be pursued. Teaching guys to get women pursue them is just trying to avoid giving women what guys know they want – again with the manipulation. It is not manly or alpha to purposefully withold something that one knows someone else wants. Its JUST like women witholding sex from their partner to get something. In other words, lame.

    Btw, somewhere else on here you said you had a wife, and yet you are talking about lines you use. This is a personal question, but do you pick up women? If so, does your wife know you do this? I dont think having multiple partners is a big deal when a couple is married as long as the other partner is aware of what is going on. Anyway, just curious.

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  386. on August 13, 2009 at 11:04 am whogivesa....

    Question for all the guys who have multiple partners. Do you guys wear condoms when you get head? Male to female transition of STIs is more prevalent than the other way around. I get the impression from the way some of you talk, that some of you may not even use protection at all much less when getting head. Its a scary thought, but the only sex is safe sex and that includes wrapping it up to get head, thats why we see flavored condoms now. So when a woman tells you not to cum in her mouth I think you should not automatically consider her a prude or something equally as dumb but chalk it up to fear of STIs and respect that. Guys that convince women not to use condoms or dont wear condoms while getting a BJ dont really care a hoot about their partner. Of course, I expect a lot of you to say, why would I care about her – but you really need to think about what youre saying. If you have a lot of sex, great, but if you are not wearing protection all the time, youre all eejits.

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  387. whogivesa–

    Epoxy had said:

    My girl wears a piece of jewelry that says (engraved) that she’s my little slut. And it’s a piece of jewelry that physically can’t be taken off without being damaged.

    You responded:

    About the jewelry thing, hahaha. If some guy I am with feels the need to brand me then that is not someone I want to be with. My man needs to feel confident that I am with him and will always come back to him because of what we have together, not because he has some lame prescribed ownership of me. How gauche.

    Yeah I’m with epoxy. I wouldn’t want you either, beyond a possible pump and dump, no matter what you looked like.

    As for gauche, hahaha. no nuveau here babycakes.

    You are an arrogant little feminist bitch aren’t you?

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  388. on August 13, 2009 at 1:28 pm whogivesa....

    @doug1

    what makes you think I’d want either of you? Thats what is so funny about it. If you cant see the humor, oh well. I (or anyone for that matter) dont need to subscribe to any ideology that does not jive with my own and no one should be forced to either. To think otherwise is ridiculous. Given your response you dont even realize how deeply insecure one has to be to feel the need to label their woman with some lame piece of jewelry. Either you have the confidence that she is your little slut, or you dont. Who do you need to prove it to? Again, ridiculous! Just brings about ownership issues and need to control that a lot of you have said in other threads PUA isnt about. Be consistent please.

    I dont know what you mean by “nouveau,” but someone used the word gauche on this thread already.

    Waaah, Im a bitch cause I disagree with you? lol Grow up. If guys can be arrogant, as exhibited on this site, then so too can women. Guys dont hold some monopoly on arrogance, too funny.

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  389. The jewelry bit is great. I might try that.

    It’s sexy. Ownership is sexy, and displaying it is sexy.

    I usually do that by dressing my girl up as a prostitute. I purchased a blond wig for her the other day. Had her shorten her skirts. She looks great, and gets astonished looks wherever we go, wig or not.

    Ya, I guess I don’t need the jewelry. It’s pretty obvious she’s my little slut.

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  390. Seeing this ‘whogivesa…’ creation, LR’s writing style has come a long way.

    My girl wears a piece of jewelry that says (engraved) that she’s my little slut.

    That is hot! May we see, please?

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  391. on August 13, 2009 at 2:01 pm whogivesa....

    “Seeing this ‘whogivesa…’ creation, LR’s writing style has come a long way. ”

    I am new to this site, first posted yesterday. Try again.

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  392. on August 13, 2009 at 2:07 pm whogivesa....

    And to restate the obvious, to some “ownership” is sexy. I didnt say it wasnt, thus I spoke in the first person and I was talking about showing/proving ownership not the onwership itself. The needing to show others one’s ownership says a lot more about the person needing to prove ownership than knowing themselves that they “own.” Should be unspoken between you two. Wearing sexy clothes for one’s partner is not ownership in my opinion, just about trying to please the partner – the jewelry is another thing entirely.

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  393. Whogivesa, if you think that primate behaviour can shed any light on human behaviour, consider that those social animals find ownership and mate dominance displays to be intrinsic to the sex-mating-game.

    They like loud public sex. Nothing says “I own you”, more than loud public sex.

    I like loud public sex also. They say that bungee jumping is a bonding experience, because of the endorphins and other hormones released. Public sex is a bonding experience.

    The jewelry thing is just another twist on a very basic, primal public display of bonds. Like a wedding ring, only more romantic, because it involves sex and submission.

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  394. on August 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm Wendy Schwartz

    What I was trying to say is that good sex is a dealbreaker because sex is the only thing a guy can offer me that I cannot do for myself or that I’m interested in.

    Without the good sex, he’s just a dude I know. Sexual skill is definitely a make or break even in a LTR. I have broken up with otherwise “perfect” men because of that and certainly still would. If you guys think women don’t care much about your actual skill, you’re sadly mistaken.

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  395. on August 13, 2009 at 2:43 pm Wendy Schwartz

    On the jewelry, who cares what it says as long as he always gives you the receipt + insurance. Keyword: Jewelry= can be sold.

    I never turn down jewelry because it can always be melted down and sold. I never keep jewelry that exes buy nor do I fuck myself and say “here take it back, asshole”.

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  396. whogivesa–

    Given your response you dont even realize how deeply insecure one has to be to feel the need to label their woman with some lame piece of jewelry. Either you have the confidence that she is your little slut, or you dont.

    “How deeply insecure one has to feel” hunh? Who’s need exactly? His you think? You know nothing.

    Lots of girls would love to wear such jewelry for a man they felt sufficiently D/s towards. But you wouldn’t know about that would you?

    Which is what Bhetti got, LILGRL gets, and you don’t.

    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it was LILGRL’s idea.

    Feminist.

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  397. Doug, when talking about these things in the abstract, some girls aren’t going to “get it”. Because they’ve not been there. Yet.

    It takes a first person, hands on approach to turn such attitudes.

    It’s like a facial. It will give a lot girls the icky squicks, at first. You have to re-wire them to associate the dominance play with fun and pleasure and mate bonding. Doesn’t take long, but it can’t be done on a blog.

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  398. on August 13, 2009 at 3:00 pm whogivesa....

    @Xsplat

    Now we’re getting somewhere! First you say ownership and then you say bonding, well, which is it? To me, ownership and bonding mean two very different things. I am not of the opinion that people that have sex loudly in public are claiming to their partner or others “i own you” rather I look at it as something else entirely – like “hey look at us” or the couple gets off on it or whatever – but I admit I never thought of it that way. I do think that sometimes people look too deeply for meanings for actions that can, in fact, be very simply just a turn on. I dont feel the need to justify (or label) why I do certain sex acts with my partner as long as its consensual – which I thought is what you were saying about prostate massage.

    Most animals who live in packs use noise to express dominance, fright, happiness, etc. I see what youre saying, but I am hesitant to draw comparisons between humans and primates in this area because most humans do not have sex in public whereas all primates dont care where they have sex.

    LR – I dont even understand your post. Are you saying it is for Roissy to confirm whether or not I am you? Why would he even waste his time or care? Strange defensive comment in my opinion.

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  399. whogivesa…: Let me clarify. I was saying that LR used to write like you, but now writes better.

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  400. on August 13, 2009 at 3:15 pm whogivesa....

    Some of you are so obtuse its unbelievable. Just because I dont agree with it (only the necklace thing mind you, thats all im talking about with xsplat) doesnt mean I dont get it. I like D/s, a lot in fact, but I also believe in rules in a D/s relationship — if you dont, you subscribe to a different type of D/s relationship than I do and if so, who cares?!? Everyone’s relationships are different, one is no better than the other.

    D/s goes both ways (in response to doug’s comments about needs) – a good D is all about his sub’s pleasure and safety, and in turn the sub aims to please. It is NOT the other way around. You all are talking about private life v. public life with D/s relationship vis a vis the necklace and not all D/s relationships are public, nor should they be.

    You all may think you are in D/s relationships but if the women you engage in sex with dont know you fuck other women, then youre just fakers. D/s is all about honesty and respect.

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  401. Whogivesa, I can’t see how people can be bonded without a feeling of ownership.

    Don’t you get jealous?

    If I have property, I mark it.

    What I like to do is highlight emotional hooks, amplify them, use them as tools. I like to play around with the moods of my girls, bring them up, then down, then up again. Give them fun and thrills and laughter and drama. Keep em guessing. Don’t wait for their boredom – it’s a pre-emptive strike, endlessly.

    Owning someone is merely one more emotional hook. It is one drama angle to play up. It’s fun and sexy, so I use it. Then I do the opposite – push and pull.

    When my girls go out the door, I often say “Don’t fuck anybody. Blowjobs are ok, but no fucking”. Nother words I’m playing down our bonds.

    At other times, especially during sex, I might say “you are my bitch, I own you”.

    Push and pull. We have these hooks, and any good puppet master will pick them and make the girl dance.

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  402. on August 13, 2009 at 3:16 pm whogivesa....

    @Bhetti – read the name: whogivesa….

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  403. on August 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm whogivesa....

    Ok, I can buy that Xsplat, but you are talking about loud public sex as ownership — just because you see it as bonding does not mean it is also ownership. Maybe I just cant relate these two concepts together like that, probably cause I dont think like that?!! Not a big deal, just being honest.

    I look at bonding as more of a mutual respect thing. I dont look at being in a relationship as owning so much as knowing that my partner wants to be with me and I want to be with them and we’ve agreed on that. Confidence, self respect and mutual respect is more important to me than potentially wallowing in thoughts that could lead to the path of jealousy. It honestly takes a leap of faith to trust them and sometimes we have to do that, give our partner the benefit of the doubt. You are talking about dominating to leave no doubt – I guess in some ways, that seems a bit insecure to me. Now, a slap on the ass in public is ownership and depending on who my partner is, I actually like that type of display – I know I know, the irony.

    Being in a sexual relationship is not about property to me. In fact, when you say something like that I think chattel, slavery. Cant help it. D/s to me is not about ownership at all and I dont think most people into D/s are about that. Again, this is a prviate v. public life issue.

    LR – oops, only been on this site a couple days, my bad. Yup, thats paranoia for ya. The poster said the jewelry is a necklace (collar) that would have to be broken to be removed. Id never turn down jewelry either, hello! I make jewelry, Id just make it into something else. I second your comment about good skills and that includes kissing and going dooowwwnn.

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  404. @ whogivesa…

    The poster said the jewelry is a necklace (collar) that would have to be broken to be removed.

    Psh, of course it doesn’t have to be broken.

    He has the key.

    😉

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  405. Whogivesa says, “Ghost – Seriously, who are you to label someone’s else’s sex activities as gay or straight?”

    I am a speaker of English. Feel free to refer to the dictionary of your choice for the word “homosexual”. Some may even explain what “homosexual activity” is.

    “Get over yourself.”

    Learn to speak English.

    “Open mindedness means not judging others for what they do with each other, so long as its consensual.”

    Translation: My heart…It’s…BLEEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The truth hurts. The more you fight it, the harder it kicks you in the head.

    A Gay activity being consensual does not make it any less Gay.

    Bleed for me.

    “Its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.”

    If someone tells me something, then they are bringing their business to me. If the business is a hair salon, I’m not going to tell them it’s a spa just to make them feel better.

    “Even gay people say that who they have sex with doe not define who they are, just like it doesnt define straight people.”

    So you’re saying that I can just kill people for no good reason, and not be a murderer then?

    “Oh, and that stereotypical “i dont subscribe to PC nonsense” response?”

    I don’t subscribe to PC nonsense. Again, I don’t see anything wrong with being Gay or Bi. I’m Bi myself. I just don’t lie to myself and say that licking a woman’s pussy, isn’t a homosexual act just because my boyfriend is in the room.

    …or closer to the point, if my boyfriend bought a sex doll, and I sucked its inflated tits and licked its plastic pussy, that would be a homosexual act, no matter how I tried to spin it. Just because the same sex “partner” is inanimate or dead, doesn’t make my act any less Gay.

    Grow up.

    No woman is obligated to be your stand in man and pretend that this is not what she is.

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  406. LR exclaims – ” It surprises me that (Aoefe) doesn’t like that occasional switch and him being comfortable with himself and to be open about things”

    I’d love a guy to be comfortable with himself and to be open about things. The fact is I’m very girly girly and I wouldn’t be turned on by his desire to be rogered. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want him to tell me, just means I wouldn’t be interested in continuing a relationship where I had to be dominant to him. Just my own particular bent. Yes, guess I’m pretty selfish not wanting to switch.

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  407. Aoefe, there’s nothing unduly selfish about not wanting to switch. Freaks who haven’t lost their mind in the onslaught of posers understand this very well.

    People who don’t want to upset the dynamic of their relationships keep certain roles separate. If someone is submissive towards you, it will be a psychological torture for them to top you. They’ll do it if they really love you, but it hurts them to do it. It’s like a punishment. They’ll wonder what they did to you that you no longer want them.

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  408. @nicole

    I was being a teensy bit sarcastic about the selfishness, but I realize that didn’t come across. I dated a nice, doctor last year and his need to be dominated ended our relationship. I tried to – thinking okay I’m being submissive to his need, but nope…didn’t work. I wouldn’t waste my time again.

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  409. on August 13, 2009 at 4:51 pm gig showing his culture

    a wise man in Ancient China once said “where the finger enters, the vibrator and the carrot can also enter”

    later, in India, a sage remarked that “once the hole is opened, it begs for the vibrator and the carrot”

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  410. Really though, I should call the dildo thing the “Dahmer defense”.

    “If the penis is inanimate or dead, then what I’m doing isn’t really Gay.”

    LOL!

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  411. on August 13, 2009 at 4:55 pm whogivesa....

    @ghost

    “If someone tells me something, then they are bringing their business to me. If the business is a hair salon, I’m not going to tell them it’s a spa just to make them feel better.”
    —You are missing the point. Yes, by someone mentioning something about themselves on an online forum they are opening themselves up to comments by others, but by you defining what they say through your own viewpoint (narrow, open minded or otherwise) doesnt make it so, especially if that person doesnt see it that way.

    “So you’re saying that I can just kill people for no good reason, and not be a murderer then?”
    —This is your response? We are only talking about men engaging in ass play with their female partner(s), focus grasshopper.

    “I just don’t lie to myself and say that licking a woman’s pussy, isn’t a homosexual act just because my boyfriend is in the room.”
    —DUH, thats cause licking a woman’s pussy is a homosexual act! Some guy gettin a prostate massage from his woman is not. Again, look up definition of homosexual.

    “No woman is obligated to be your stand in man and pretend that this is not what she is.”
    —This comment cant directed at me since I never said this or inferred it and neither did Xsplat. I cant believe I am even engaging in this debate, youre clueless. Ok ok, I admit your responses are funny because theyre so wrong. Again, look up definition of homosexual.

    You think you are far more open minded than you actually are if this is what you really think. Being open minded means not needing to mold someone elses actions to fit into your pre-defined notions of what is and what isnt.

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  412. @whogivesa…
    Ignore for a moment that I am a rabid homophobic and answer me. Have you ever put a vibrator inside your boyfriend?

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  413. Whogivesa, I didn’t say that getting a prostate massage was Gay.

    Some people reacted overly defensively to what I was saying.

    You want to join the bandwagon, welcome aboard.

    Just don’t expect any more mercy than they’re getting.

    The backstory is that these guys constantly give me a hard time about being fat and Black. You’re not defending poor persecuted innocent angels who just like their girlfriend to give them a little finger action.

    You’re defending guys who like to lord over others, being outed as mere mortals themselves.

    Though your white knighting is indeed valiant, it only solidifies my perception and my point that such men are closet fags.

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  414. on August 13, 2009 at 5:03 pm whogivesa....

    I will answer this question by saying I have never been with a man who was man enough to want to explore prostate massage. To me, Xsplat is a real man because he is willing to explore all aspects of his sexuality. Guys afraid of some homosexual label are pussies through and through. Hey, you asked.

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  415. Whogivesa says, “Guys afraid of some homosexual label are pussies through and through.”

    So essentially, we agree.

    What we disagree on is where the line is. I’ve been there, and you haven’t. So I’ve actually seen examples, and how these things progress over time with guys who are basically straight as opposed to guys who are closet homosexuals or bisexuals.

    You’re defending people based on hypotheticals. I’ve seen what happens with my own eyes.

    Straight guys like a different mode of prostate massage than Gay ones. Straight guys go for a finger or small tool insertion and properly timed pressing. Gay guys go for larger objects and thrusting that mimics a penis.

    Ignore the advice at your own peril.

    I can accept a guy being Gay or Bi, but what I can’t accept is deception. I wouldn’t like to find out my partner was on the downlow from popping positive on an HIV test.

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  416. @whogivesa…

    So I, as a rabid-homophobic though a closet-fag, will ask again: You are giving opinions based on what you have never done?

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  417. on August 13, 2009 at 5:13 pm whogivesa....

    @ghost

    I know youre feelin me here and now I think i got what you were aiming at so thanks for clarification.

    With that being said, Im a woman and I dont think prostate massage or strap on fuckin some dude is gay, period. Oh, and Ive been on this site a couple days so I am not “defending” these tools one iota, BUT I do agree with Xsplat’s position regarding ass play for men. I am ONLY commenting on this thread about the sex thing. Opposing opinions on the other issues posed on this board are obviously not welcome here per the perusal of some other threads so why bother.

    Why they would tease you for being black is beyond me since that is beyond your control. The fat thing I cant really comment on. I would never tell these guys anything about myself because I can tell by their posts they get off on ridicule so why give them ammo? One more question for you — if they are constantly ragging on you about black and fat, why do you come here? What do you get out of engaging in conversation/debate with them?

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  418. on August 13, 2009 at 5:16 pm whogivesa....

    gig
    @whogivesa…

    So I, as a rabid-homophobic though a closet-fag, will ask again: You are giving opinions based on what you have never done?

    —What do you want me to say here? lol Obviously you didnt like my answer, but it is what it is. I dont have to have given some guy a prostate massage before to have an opinion (and know i want to try it) that I dont think its gay for a guy to want his female partner to do that for him. You have got to be kidding me with some of this crap you guys ask. Again, too funny.

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  419. on August 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm whogivesa....

    @ghost

    “I wouldn’t like to find out my partner was on the downlow from popping positive on an HIV test.”

    Soooo with you there.

    Youre right, you have direct experience, but I just dont think your experience can still be applied across the board, thats all I was sayin. And yes, we agree.

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  420. Whogivesa asks, “I would never tell these guys anything about myself because I can tell by their posts they get off on ridicule so why give them ammo?”

    I’ve been on the internet since one had to dial in to BBS’s.

    Back then, almost nobody in the much smaller community lived totally separate online/offline lives. We used the internet to enhance our real lives, and as the internet developed and more people had access, some of us kept that old school style. So I’ve never really been anonymous.

    There’s no point to hiding anything about myself that I wouldn’t hide from passers by on the street. I’m not going to tell all my business, but people know what I look like and what my name is if they seek it.

    “One more question for you — if they are constantly ragging on you about black and fat, why do you come here? What do you get out of engaging in conversation/debate with them?”

    I don’t need people to agree with everything I say or approve of everything I do, or believe that I am the prettiest girl in the world, in order to enjoy conversations or debates with them.

    This site in particular, I came across at a time in my life when I was getting over a kind of a break up with a year and a half stand with a guy who liked to take it up the ass, but decided I wasn’t good enough for him because I was the “wrong” ethnicity. So I’ve learned here that what motivates such people is not something personal. It’s a kind of social sickness.

    This kept me and my friends from breaking his kneecaps.

    Everything on the planet works together. I am not only positively benefitted from the pleasant things. In some ways I’m benefitted from negative things. They make me stronger partly because I become more aware.

    If I hid myself and pretended that I was a blonde bimbo, almost nobody here would tell me the truth. Since I face them with all my features including those they may view as imperfections, they have no interest in being dishonest with me.

    Awareness of how I am perceived has made me a much more shrewd judge of men, and I will never give a “nice guy” a break again. To get into my sphere of consideration, a guy has to prove that he’s butched enough for me, and have a history that reflects that. No more benefit of the doubt.

    …cause the truth is, they don’t want it.

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  421. whogivesa

    I look at bonding as more of a mutual respect thing. I dont look at being in a relationship as owning so much as knowing that my partner wants to be with me and I want to be with them and we’ve agreed on that. Confidence, self respect and mutual respect is more important to me than potentially wallowing in thoughts that could lead to the path of jealousy. It honestly takes a leap of faith to trust them and sometimes we have to do that, give our partner the benefit of the doubt. You are talking about dominating to leave no doubt – I guess in some ways, that seems a bit insecure to me.

    It’s just a game. It’s just neuro linguistic programming. Just love, just sex, just dating, just heartbreak, just jealousy, just starting things fresh the next time.

    I agree that we don’t actually own each other.

    It’s just a game.

    The ownership bit is just a handle on one emotion that flips other switches.

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  422. @ghost

    I dont need the opinions of people on this site to learn/know anything about myself, but I understand where you are coming from. Though you dont care to hear it, I think its a shame you feel you need to come to this site for some truth you are seeking about yourself because these dudes only represent a small population of guys and they are just too rude to give any helpful or meaningful advice. You call them honest, but one can be honest without being downright rude.

    I think they wouldve treated you the same as they treat most of the other women on here since imo it doesnt seem like they care what their opinions are. That is why I think it odd that women come to this site at all. The guys just dont care, either way.

    I wouldnt take the advice of ANY of these guys because there is WAY too much stock put into biology and biological evolution on this site to describe peoples actions when in fact biology cannot be used to describe anything other than the actions of the body/organs. From what I have read thus far on a few threads, there is a complete absence of the realization/understanding of how culture influences and shapes our beliefs.

    Mostly I just laugh at what I read on this site and know that I am glad I could smell these dudes a mile away in any social setting. Notice none of them commented on my safe sex question. Probably cause they dont care about the safety of the women they fuck, but mostly cause theyre too ignorant to know Im right.

    @ xsplat – word

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  423. @ whogivesa….

    Totally honest with wife.

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  424. ””””””””””’This kept me and my friends from breaking his kneecaps.””””””’

    Dam roissy’s site saving woman from getting raped and kneecaps. Humanitarian.

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  425. @gunslinger

    duh, i shouldve asked if your wife has other partners as well, and if not, why not? does she not want to or are you not ok with that? what is the point of “marriage” then? i assume you mean legally married — these are honest questions, always curious about the reasons behind others choices- thanks

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  426. I would not be ok with it. She does not want to. It would have been deal breaker for me promising to be with her for life. I would not accept that term. Point of marriage is for cultural norms/religious reasons. Have made promise by my word to be with her for life. To have kids that know who there mom and dad are and that never changes for them. To experience life together with someone who I have chosen to do that with and who has chosen to do that with me. After having both passed a few tests. To also have people who look out for the others bests interests as best they are able. You can read some of it in archives over the last 4 years or so.

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  427. LILGRL

    Psh, of course it doesn’t have to be broken.

    He has the key.

    So next time he gets especially irritated at you.

    Or just wants to pretend he is.

    He looks at you silently for a good long moment.

    Then gets up. Walks up to you. Takes he key and reaches down to your ankle.

    Unlocks it, pockets, and walks away.

    Wordlessly.

    To go do something else.

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  428. Whogivesa, I don’t really *need* this site to get honesty. I have male friends for that. It’s just that my male friends are coming from the point of view of people who care about me and want to protect me. They can’t see what happened from the same perspective as guys here who don’t know me.

    I didn’t ask the guys here for advice. I just hung out, and offered my perspectives on the topic, and listened, well, read. In time, my anger towards the guy morphed into a more appropriate pity.

    There are posters here are varying levels of awareness and social investment. Here I learn a bit about various points on the spectrum, which helps me in my own writing and work, and strengthens my real life resolve.

    So help doesn’t always come in the form of advice. Sometimes it comes in the form of insults or even tantrums. If you pay attention from people, you learn something. No matter how wise you already are, gaining more perspective always makes you wiser about dealing with people.

    Some are aware of how culture has shaped their beliefs. Some are victims of how negative aspects of culture have shaped their beliefs. Some are somewhere in between. Some are salvageable, and some aren’t. I learn something from all of them.

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  429. spunk

    For unmarried men, it’s heaven now.

    No kidding?

    P.S: Mindfucking women is a lovely pastime. All men should try it.

    No kidding? Maybe it’s just me, but you don’t seem awfully bright.

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  430. on August 14, 2009 at 8:21 am whogivesa....

    @gunslinger – thanks for the response

    @ghost – i knew you were going to say all that =), my bad for calling it “advice” — i tend to avoid negativity altogether, as for me that is not productive, but hey, to each his own — based on a few threads ive read i would have to disagree with you regarding the awareness of these posters of the cultural influences that shape their beliefs, most of them speak about specific topics absent as to the nurture/cultural aspect of said topics, this includes convos ive read about divorce, affirmative action, feminism, misandry, sex, relationships, stereotypes, racism — all i read is a bunch of dudes clueless as to their own white privilege (and im white) — well, it is what it is

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  431. anedcote

    The tv was covering some bribering scandal where the bribed guy was supposed to receive 300 k BRL. A colleague said “wow, for 300 k I would give my ass”. You don´t say such things in a hedge fund. A partner immediately said: “ I pay 50k”. end of story: people gathered 220k in order to pay him for some “random big black guy”. He escaped

    Moral: “300 k won´t change your life, but the rendez-vous with the anaconda will” as another guy said

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  432. this post is hilarious. also, true.

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