John Edwards Is Bringing Big Love Back

In an ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING, *GASP*, I NEVER WOULD’VE GUESSED development, chronic sleazeball liar alpha male John Edwards will admit paternity of his mistress Rielle Hunter’s bastard child, and he’s moving mistress and baby into a house in his neighborhood so he can watch over his harem take care of them.

John Edwards will move the mother of his love child into his North Carolina neighborhood so he can help raise their 18-month-old baby, the National Enquirer reported Wednesday.

The Enquirer also reported that Elizabeth Edwards, who is stricken with cancer, was furious when her husband told her of his parenting plans.

Furious, no doubt. But remember, this is the woman who stood by his side when he was apologizing so profusely for reaping the spoils of his alpha pull on women:

Edwards adamantly denied during a confessional interview with ABC News last summer that he had fathered a child with Hunter, and he said he welcomed a paternity test. His wife, Elizabeth, has said while promoting her book that she doesn’t know if her husband is the father.

Naturally, once the cancer ravages the last ounce of Elizabeth’s life force, Johnny Lawyersleaze will need a pussy replacement pronto. Having Rielle so close ensures convenience of lovemaking.

Would you buy a car from this man?:

sleeze

I’d love to see recent polls of John Edwards’ favorability/approval ratings broken down by gender. Do a majority of women still give this guy the thumbs up? A significant minority? Bill Clinton certainly had the undying love of American feminists even while he was exercising his power over a 21 year old subordinate and oppressing her with the repeated thrustings of his patriarchal stogie.

This story crystallizes so many musings I’ve had. For instance, we now have proof that lying isn’t immoral, but lying while beta is. Then there’s the whole de facto polygamy angle, as amply illustrated by John Edwards’ harem building.

How to change a monogamous culture into a polygamous retroparadise in three easy steps:

  1. Give single women the right to vote.
  2. Let simmer for a couple of generations while betas invent stuff that severs biological constraints from hypergamous impulse.
  3. Medicate sexless drones with Xbox and xHamster.

The cycle seems to go like this:

Enforced monogamy –> Emergent monogamy –> Civilization blossoms –> Emergent polygamy –> Enforced financial monogamy –> Decriminalization/Acceptance of polygamy –> Decivilization/Culling of excess betas –> Enforced monogamy (best case)/Reign of Chaos (worst case).

I believe this progression is unavoidable as long as human nature remains what it has been for millennia. Civilization has programmed self-destruction. Trying to stop or reverse this “bug” in the code is akin to redesigning the schema of evolution itself. The best you can hope for is that after the Great Culling there are enough sensible people left around to learn the lessons of past fools and to rebuild the edifice. On an individual level, for those born within the Great Culling the best answer is game if you want to make it out psychologically healthy and penilely satisfied on the other side. Or become a well-coifed Senator.

This reminds me of an admiring ode I previously wrote to John Edwards:

John Edwards’ wife lies for him knowing he was fucking and impregnating a new age whore while she lay in a hospital bed with cancer.

Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.

People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.
Because I know the score.
And you should too.

biglove





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  1. Pussy ain’t shit but lips and clits.

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  2. American politicians need to learn from the Italianos. Their politicians cheat on their older, hot wives with younger hotter women. Our guys like Sanford and Edward cheat on their older, average wives with equally old, average women. Sad.

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  3. on August 20, 2009 at 1:16 pm It's My First Day

    Excellent post.

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  4. on August 20, 2009 at 1:17 pm Raymo in LeDroit

    I would not by a car from him, but do admire him.

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  5. There isn’t anything alpha about John Edwards.

    He’s just another rich guy who knocked up an old, ugly broad and got reined in for MUCHO child support. It’s no surprise his old, fat, dying wife is standing by him. What else is she going to do? Run off will Bill Clinton or Jesus Obama?

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  6. The stick drawings are back! Cool. Edwards also was a trial lawyer, with well-polished courtroom charisma and experience at shameless manipulation of juries. Those traits carry over very well into game. I don’t think Edwards has Clinton’s perennial popularity with women, though- I think his ratings have plummeted. It is probably due to the fact that he was cheating on his wife while she had cancer, which Bubba never did, but it also may be due to the fact that Clinton is a lovable rogue alpha-type- a real type of Southern man- whereas Edwards is a pretty-boy and kind of phony. Women can detect fakeness and don’t respond well to it. Now that he’s no longer near the pinnacleof political power, his defenders are very few to none.

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  7. I’m glad Roissy agrees with me on the point of civilization being inherently untenable, and built for its own demise.

    Enjoy the ride down Mt. Morgan, boys!

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  8. Just who IN THE HELL does this
    Johnny Wadd Edwards
    think he is –
    a Kennedy?

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  9. The very first thought I had when I first saw what a hideous pie-wagon Elizabeth Edwards was at the 2004 convention was, “He’s GOT to be cheating on her.”

    But Edwards only satisfies a very minimal standard of alphaness. The man was the Dem VP nominee in ’04, and was on the very short list for the big job in ’06, when he embarked on a months-long RELATIONSHIP with an obviously insane, OBVIOUSLY golddigging, cracked-out, fucked-out, mid-40s, stupid, leathery, whorish 3, who must have reeked of day-old booze most of the time. If he was so fucking alpha, shouldn’t he have had many, much better options, constantly available to him?

    He made millions as an slick emotional manipulator of juries, and he’s clearly very smart, but this is something he opts to dump more than a single fuck in? (EVEN a single fuck?) It just does not compute.

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  10. As romantic as such things may seem on a movie screen, if I was dying of cancer and couldn’t perform my wifely duties, I would hope my husband would find someone else to take care of that. So long as he wouldn’t forget me because of it, then it would be fine with me.

    I wouldn’t expect a guy to lose his testicles just because I’m ill.

    …though to be honest, if I were truly dying, I’d accelerate the process if I was in the U.S. Here in Israel, they’ll allow terminal patients medicinal marijuana and a kind of “free pass” so you won’t get arrested if you’re carrying a couple of joints’ worth. In the U.S. though, it’s much more difficult, so I’d want to go out sooner.

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  11. on August 20, 2009 at 1:36 pm Charles U. Farlie

    If Edwards is an alpha, I’ll eat my own shit. He didn’t catch her–she caught him–and she’ll wring him out for every penny he’s worth.

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  12. “civilization is programmed for self-destruction”

    sadly, i think this might be true. the only question is whether it comes in one fell swoop or we are fed it in small doses like the children in “Flowers in the Attic”.

    it’s tyranny of the masses and all that.

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  13. Its hard to exaggerate the importance of a focus on the amoral and hypergamous nature of women. It’s nice to come to a place that does it so deftly. I hope discussion like this encourages others to do so. Only when the females nature is looked at realistically will society realize the benefits of the “beta” male. Unfortunately like Roissy, I’m not optimistic.

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  14. Considering how much financial support he will now have to give his mistress, I don’t see this as a particularly alpha move.

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  15. I kinda like roosh’s stick drawings better.

    Both of the ones where he’s at the gym. One where he sees this guys penis and the one about that gym-roided woMAN.lol.

    [editor: yah that one was good. roosh’s stick figures were my inspiration.]

    but on the real. that quote above is king.

    People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.
    Because I know the score.
    And you should too.

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  16. Its hard to exaggerate the importance of a focus on the amoral and hypergamous nature of women.

    How about of both sexes, at least in this instance?

    I don’t know any woman who currently professes to like him; having an affair/child while your wife is terminal? Uh uh. Better to be caught a la Divine Brown.

    I have heard defenses of Elizabeth, but surprisingly more from men. This may be because I rarely chat politics with my lady friends but it is a regular topic at male-dominated work.

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  17. “Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.”

    Roissy…marriage counselor to the betas!

    Rielle’s only real acting job was in Ricochet where she had like one line.

    Anyway, maybe it isn’t just clueless feminists that boosted Uncle Bill and his “put some on ice on that” ways. Girls are just naturally programmed after all to be in a harem.

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  18. on August 20, 2009 at 1:55 pm Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

    Likeable asshole = alpha. See: Bill Clinton.

    Pretty, sort of effeminate, phony, slick talker = beta plus. See: John Edwards.

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  19. PS Your description of the cycle is right on. I can’t help wondering, though, if it’s truly inevitable, or if there’s something that could be done to stop it.

    PPS RE: my description above, maybe Wendy Schwartz should give John Edwards a call. He may be her last, best hope.

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  20. Edwards´mistress is above his current wife in only one factor: she doesn´t have terminal cancer

    what´s the point in cuckolding the mother of your children with another aging hag?

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  21. — Civilization has programmed self-destruction.

    Fatalism is for chicks.

    [editor: realism isn’t fatalism. if it were, i wouldn’t be bothering to make hay.]

    — Would you buy a car from this man?

    No. Edwards is slime. But I would buy a car from Berluscione. Or at least put a “Berluscione 2012” bumper sticker on my car.

    [i wouldn’t buy a car from him either (too close to sicilian mores for my taste) but i would let him pimp my ride.]

    — his mistress Rielle Hunter’s bastard child

    Is Rielle Hunter also known as Wendy Schwartz?

    [no. rielle hunter is smarter. she got knocked up by a wealthy alpha instead of a loser drunkard.]

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  22. A harem is the ideal situation for men and women. You get to have sex with a variety of women, and we get a man who doesn’t bug us too much plus some shopping buddies.

    [editor: i agree. all we need now is three times as many females born for every male and we’re cooking with gas!]

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  23. Enforced monogamy –> Emergent monogamy –> Civilization blossoms –> Emergent polygamy –> Enforced financial monogamy –> Decriminalization/Acceptance of polygamy –> Decivilization/Culling of excess betas –> Enforced monogamy (best case)/Reign of Chaos (worst case).

    Americans. Always describing American features as Universal.

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  24. One way to keep civilization from self-destructing: a periodic blood-letting of the elites. Thomas Jefferson understood this.

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  25. Bill Clinton is a classic Alpha – the charming rogue (but with hillbilly level taste in women – he could have had much better than he did but was drawn to trashy chubbies).

    Jonathan Edwards is a classic Beta who rose to too high a position of power. He should have been hitting on hot 20somethings, not whackjob 40somethings.

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  26. I don’t think Edwards has Clinton’s perennial popularity with women, though- I think his ratings have plummeted. It is probably due to the fact that he was cheating on his wife while she had cancer, which Bubba never did, but it also may be due to the fact that Clinton is a lovable rogue alpha-type- a real type of Southern man- whereas Edwards is a pretty-boy and kind of phony.

    i do not contest the validity of this statement, but there is a simpler explanation: clinton won. edwards ran for vice-president and was defeated. he ran for the democratic nomination and, again, was defeated. losing does serious damage to one’s alpha cred.

    remember, kids: it pays to be a winner.

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  27. But these women are not attractive at all.

    [editor: true, but he’s still taking an unattractive middle aged woman from a lesser beta who could use her services.]

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  28. “remember, kids: it pays to be a winner.”

    Who would’ve thunk it….;)

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  29. A harem is the ideal situation for men and women.

    a harem may be the ideal situation for alpha males and betas, like DA, who choose to wihtdraw, but what out about all those betas who a woman?

    that’s a rhetorical questions. it was meant to illustrate that to women, betas are effectively invisible in the sexual marketlace. think of the male desirability spectrum like the jackson brothers: there’s michael, and jermaine, and… tito… and… those other guys.

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  30. A harem is the ideal situation for men and women. You get to have sex with a variety of women, and we get a man who doesn’t bug us too much plus some shopping buddies.

    I know a thign or two about real harems.

    A real-life harem consists of women aged 60 – 19. The older ones make life hell for the younger ones. Imagine living with your mother-in-law / she-devil boss all in one. She has power over you, assigns you the lowest chores, hates your kids, and sleeps with your husband.

    The first/oldest wives typically also have the husband’s respect and support over the younger wives.

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  31. on August 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Gig,

    If you are a third of the world’s economy, you are the world and universal.

    America’s collapse will cause a collapse world wide, there is no avoiding it.

    Kalliope, harem’s are only ideal for 10% of the men, the rest are out in the cold.

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  32. National Enquirer? Really?

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  33. A harem is the ideal situation for men and women. You get to have sex with a variety of women, and we get a man who doesn’t bug us too much plus some shopping buddies.

    Except for the men who are left with no woman at all because one guy has five of them at once.

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  34. I wonder what R posts as in HotAir.

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  35. al

    I don’t know any woman who currently professes to like him; having an affair/child while your wife is terminal? Uh uh. Better to be caught a la Divine Brown.

    You’re a selfish feminist bitch. But then we all know that.

    Any decent woman would give her husband a pass for doing this.

    If the country didn’t have so many feminist harridan bitches like you, and prig betas, there’d be no National Enquirer fanned scandal because it wouldn’t be a scandal.

    @nicole

    As romantic as such things may seem on a movie screen, if I was dying of cancer and couldn’t perform my wifely duties, I would hope my husband would find someone else to take care of that. So long as he wouldn’t forget me because of it, then it would be fine with me.

    I wouldn’t expect a guy to lose his testicles just because I’m ill.

    Exactly Nicole. You’re being a good woman here. Very.

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  36. @Nova

    “Except for the men who are left with no woman at all because one guy has five of them at once.”

    Which is why I’m such an advocate of women keeping their own harems. It’s just so noble, giving back to the community in that way.

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  37. “Except for the men who are left with no woman at all”

    Then you go to war, keeps them busy and thins out the numbers……well at least that’s what used to happen(in the Ottoman empire). Now we fight wars in………Halo 3.

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  38. “Which is why I’m such an advocate of women keeping their own harems.”

    Majority will not accept used up kooch. You still don’t get it?

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  39. Which is why I’m such an advocate of women keeping their own harems. It’s just so noble, giving back to the community in that way.

    @Poetry —

    Exactly. Polyandry is the way of the future.

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  40. All–

    The real scandal is the amount of feminist law child support he will have to pay.

    He should have to pay anything more than he wants to, except to keep her off welfare, if that would be an issue, which it wouldn’t.

    Instead he’ll probably have to pay about 1/3 his after tax income for one child.

    A baby that was almost certainly a Reille Hunter “oops” or “gotcha” baby.

    The setup is such though that it does him absolutely no good and lots of harm to bitch about that.

    Under our obscene feminist laws.

    Of course he shouldn’t have to pay a huge proportion of his income just because the slut hoodwinked him.

    No it’s not just deserts for his playing around when his wife was no doubt not up for sex at all, or only to a minimal extent. Reille Hunter could have done Plan B, or had an abortion, or given the kid for adoption. But of course she didn’t, because she badly wanted this child, tettering as she was on the edge of the end of he fertility, and a rich and famous man to be FORCED by the armed might of the state to pay for it, and pay extremely handsomely for it.

    Hey, maybe Edwards loves her and would do all this of his own free will, without having the checks extracted from him him if he didn’t. fine then. But it should be his choice. She certainly had plenty of post coital choices. Why doesn’t he?

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  41. Very good post, and timely to boot. Ferdinand recently wrote about Lawrence Auster; in the comments section, if made specific mention of Edwards. Here’s what I said:

    FB,
    Very interesting post. I’m familiar w/Auster but don’t read him often because of the broad brush way he speaks of “NAMs”. And that tends to turn me off, given the basic stance of the Conservative blogosphere, of which HBD is at least a part of.

    That said, your views wrt thugs, Chris Brown etc were on point, but I noticed in your post some other fellas taking issue w/it, and admittedly so, since the very nature of “abuse” is a red flag in our time. How about a much more “respectable” example of Hypergamy Unleashed?

    Anyone ever heard of these names: Bill Clinton and John Edwards?

    Now, let’s add up the facts here-

    Bill Clinton, considered by most pundits on both sides of the aisle to be arguably among thee smartest politicians in American history-w/a Rhodes scholarship to back that up-was a well known hound dog well before he ever took the Oval Office. Yet, not only did Hillary put up with it all those years, but when Bill Clinton was finally forced to come clean, pardon the pun, about his involvement w/Monica Lewinsky, did we hear a little peep outta the Feminist Lobby?

    To ask the question, is to answer it.

    That was roughly a decade ago.

    Then, earlier this year, we get word that John Edwards-a handsome, hugely successful trial lawyer turned US Senator and then Presidential hopeful-had not only conducted an affair *during the Presidential campaign*, but did so while his wife was contending w/what amounts to terminal cancer(!), AND quite possibly may have had a kid outta wedlock(!!!).

    Again, did we hear just one lil peep outta the Feminist Amen Corner?

    Nope-in fact, if anything, feminists fell over themselves in an effort to apologize and rationalize Edwards’ tomcatting and worse-and, as if to add insult to injury, one of Pandagon’s best well known bloggers, actually WORKED FOR THE MAN’S campaign! Surely, she had to know something was going on, since Edwards’ mistress was also working for the campaign.

    Yet again, silence from the Feminists.

    I remember when Gingrich was raked over the coals-rightly I thought-for basically doing the same thing Edwards did, have an affair while his wife is basically dying. At least Gingrich didn’t have a Baby Mama to add insult to injury.

    And Mark Sanfords’ fling looks like a blip on the screen when compared to Clinton’s pecadiloes. But neither got any love at all from the Feminists.

    Bottomline-both Clinton and Edwards were good looking, and successful guys who said all the things Women wanted to hear, and they got away w/the biggest public disses to Women in recent American history because they could-American Women lusted after them. Gingrich and Sanford, in a word, weren’t “hot”.

    If anyone wants to really understand the Female Psyche, you need go no further than Bill Clinton and John Edwards, either of whom today, in 2009, could call up Pussy on Demand anywhere in the Western World, not just the USA.

    Believe Dat.

    Maybe somebody ought to show this to Auster and ask for comment?

    The Obsidian

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  42. Poetry of Flesh

    I’m …an advocate of women keeping their own harems. It’s just so noble, giving back to the community in that way.

    No self-respecting Man tolerates being a member in the “harem” of a bitch – no matter how hot or how good she drains his balls.

    I’d hang you from the ceiling like a sex-pinata for that.

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  43. Nova, you think we’ll end up like sub saharan Africa or Brazillian Favelas? Than wow, that is NOT a good place for women!

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  44. There is no pattern, reason or grand design behind evolution or civilization. It is about what can exist and what is possible.

    Complex multicellular organisms became numerous only after the late edicardian and early cambrian, because the atmosphere was poor in oxygen until then. Once the oxygen concentration exceeded a certain %, non-photosynthetic organisms could get big.

    If the earth was more metal poor, the atmospheric oxygen concentration would have risen faster and non-plant multicellular life would have exploded billions of years before it did. It has probably occurred on other planets in the universe.

    It was about chance, not destiny.

    Each and every civilization died or stagnated for a different set of reasons. While they had common problems, the reason that made it happen was unique for each case.

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  45. @ Poetry

    My virginal angel. Always a touch of innocence in this sordid blog

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  46. “the reason that made it happen was unique for each case.”

    Disagree, things point to the root causes being almost exactly the same in each case. ie. technological progress leading to stagnation, emancipation of women etc.

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  47. I loathe pony boy, but whatever.
    If he wasn’t in the public eye and had a spine he would’ve divorced his wife.

    Instead he got himself into a sticky stew.

    Men need comfort and sex. No news there.

    I actually think better of him for taking care of his latest offspring.

    And based on her latest public remark I think she is a total
    biatch.

    <<>>

    Quiet way ? Really ? After she spoke out about it on national TV ?

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  48. Nova says, “Except for the men who are left with no woman at all because one guy has five of them at once.”

    What if he’s taking up the women the other men don’t want anyway?

    It seems to me that all polygamy would do in a western culture is destroy the illusion of an endless supply of women. Instead of waiting for guys in her age range to grow out of spring break, she could be settling down with an established older man running his household like a well oiled machine, and get to making babies during her optimal years.

    When you don’t have “excess” women over the age of 20 or so, you’ll be left only with the ones who really do want to play the field before settling down. The rest of us would be taken, and the average guys wouldn’t miss us because we’re fertile and motherly, not hot.

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  49. Nova, you think we’ll end up like sub saharan Africa or Brazillian Favelas? Than wow, that is NOT a good place for women!

    @Funky —

    In part, yes. It will be a part of the mix. The other parts will be: single motherhood through the roof (well over 50% of births), creation of an American “chav” class to satisfy the seemingly insatiable female demand for thugs for sex, marriage persisting mostly only among SWPL yuppie types, and lots of de facto polygyny.

    Favelas here we come.

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  50. You’re a selfish feminist bitch. But then we all know that.

    Any decent woman would give her husband a pass for doing this.

    If the country didn’t have so many feminist harridan bitches like you, and prig betas, there’d be no National Enquirer fanned scandal because it wouldn’t be a scandal.

    Ok.

    Obsidian I do remember lots and lots of debate at my uni over the Monica thing and I’ll give you this: while most of the ladies said “of course he shouldn’t have, but it’s none of our business!” a fair number also said “but it’s not impeachable!” Of course, they also generally decried any superior to inferior hints of sexual interest, bc of the coercive and sexist nature of such happenings in a work place. Those superiors should all pay!

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  51. The rest of us would be taken, and the average guys wouldn’t miss us because we’re fertile and motherly, not hot.

    @Nicole —

    The average guy would have no woman at all — whether women he “wants” or not. Polygyny practiced on a large scale only works if you have a steady and reliable way to kill off most of the men who are left woman-less, like, say, ceaseless tribal warfare.

    Each and every civilization died or stagnated for a different set of reasons. While they had common problems, the reason that made it happen was unique for each case.

    @Lucifer —

    In some ways that is true, of course, but there are nevertheless common patterns. Unwin’s book is pretty revealing in this regard.

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  52. You’ve delineated Oswald Spengler’s civilizational cycles. What has always galled me about this is how the Destroyers (the PTB) seem completely oblivious to their part in this. I, as a layman, see it all. They can’t see the forest for the trees and go on merrily taking out the civilization. It’s maddening.

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  53. Of course, they also generally decried any superior to inferior hints of sexual interest, bc of the coercive and sexist nature of such happenings in a work place. Those superiors should all pay!

    @al —

    No, it’s like harassment law: those superiors should pay, unless they are desired alphas, in which case there’s no issue at all.

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  54. al

    Of course, they also generally decried any superior to inferior hints of sexual interest, bc of the coercive and sexist nature of such happenings in a work place. Those superiors should all pay!

    Bull crap.

    Besides a power differential is sexy, from all sides.

    Girls shouldn’t be able to take advantage of a situation they very much enjoyed after the fact. Sexual harassment law should be almost totally junked.

    No, pure sexual blackmail shouldn’t be allowed but that’s about it. As it is feminist law allows for lots of female after the fact sexual blackmail.

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  55. @al –

    No, it’s like harassment law: those superiors should pay, unless they are desired alphas, in which case there’s no issue at all.</blockquote.

    That was my point, of what they were saying. It is much clearer when you can see my super wide eyes and hair twirling.

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  56. on August 20, 2009 at 3:03 pm Serious Femme

    Culture Ape needs to shorten his name. Just “ape” would give a much more accurate picture of what you are.

    John Edwards is an asshole and a whore, but at least he’s looking after the mess he made, which is more than I can say for most “men”.

    You put that shit in a woman, you take responsibility. Is that too hard for that little vestigial lizard brain of yours to get? Bitches.

    [editor: i was unaware women’s legs opened involuntarily during consensual sex.]

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  57. Al,
    Thanks for proving my point.

    O

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  58. douggie, quick I found another female being made fun of on another thread. run to her defense and flirt with her, o white knight of the keyboard!

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  59. Funky,

    The majority may not accept used up… kooch? What type of word is that?? Anyhow, I do perfectly fine for myself with my massively yawning cavern of slutdom.

    Firepower,

    When I find a man I can truly respect, I’ll happily become his, and only his, sex-pinata. Well, unless he decides to share me.

    And stop arousing me at work.

    Gig,

    I do what I can to lend a touch of innocence and naivety to this blog. It is, I admit, hard being surrounded by such sexually active men and maintaining my optimism for my own chastity.

    Nova,

    I’m not so certain polyandry is the way of the future, if just because of the gestation period. Doesn’t seem quite like things would work out on a majority level, and it would swing back towards monogamy or polygyny, especially if you go with the theory of alphas breeding alphas with your single-motherhood idea and preference towards thugs and the like.

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  60. “[editor: true, but he’s still taking an unattractive middle aged woman from a lesser beta who could use her services.]”

    Sure. But I think attractiveness should have some bearing on how we contemplate these guys in terms of sexual politics. These girls are really not in much demand. The demand for them is of course not zero, but still veers close enough to the edge. Probably why you used the term ‘lesser beta’.

    Then again, when you are young and smudged upon abundance, a bigger segment of the female pie-chart is disqualified, and I may not be privy to the wider desires of those in the lower quartiles.

    The question is – could Edwards have got himself a hotter younger model? Undoubtedly yes. And in principle, everything that subsequently happened would be indentical. Maybe this is the true rot.

    [editor: that edwards didn’t avail himself of tastier appetizers is the real mystery. maybe he’s the sort of thin-skinned, fragile ego type of man who requires complete manipulative control over his women and so chooses for himself aging hags who will lick his boots at the expense of hotter sex and stronger outwardly-directed love.]

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  61. Al,
    Thanks for proving my point.

    O

    heh, I admit there is some bias or (what word am I failing to remember? hypocrisy? blindness? something) occurring, but I rather think it goes both ways. The condemnation of M.Sanford or R.Limbaugh or even L.Craig was much more muted from the right relative to the left.

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  62. “What type of word is that?? ”

    Stings doesn’t it?

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  63. Serious Femme

    John Edwards is an asshole and a whore, but at least he’s looking after the mess he made, which is more than I can say for most “men”.

    You put that shit in a woman, you take responsibility. Is that too hard for that little vestigial lizard brain of yours to get? Bitches.

    No. The conniving slut bitch Rielle Hunter should be entirley on her own. I she wants Edwards to help support her baby, she should have planned it with him and gotten his consent, instead of obviously foisting an ambush baby on him, by lying about her birth control, etc.

    If she wanted the child and he didn’t, it should be entirely her responsibility to pay for it. Unless he wants to help, which should be entirely up to him, including the extent of any help. Hey, if she wants his ongoing support she should have to earn it. By fucking him when he wants, and be in other respects a good mistress or quasi second wife, before first wife croaks, which appears to be fairly imminent. (And that anyway she’s post menopausal and no longer interested or possessed of the energy.) Hey it certainly seems Edwards is continuing to look after her and emotionally (and economically) care for her.

    Serious Femmes like you shouldn’t be raped. You should be beaten to a pulp. Just for shiites and giggles.

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  64. Harem building results in many testosterone packed disenfranchised young men.

    You can do what that Mormon-offshoot cult in north Texas did and just exile them, put them on the street when they’re old enough (15 or so) to compete with the established males.

    In muslim countries where one man has three wives do you think there would be as many young men willing to be suicide bombers dieing to go to their 70 virgins if the guys strapping bombs to their chests didn’t have 2 more than they needed?

    Historically wherever there has been a large number of unmarriageable men, otherwise productive men have no reason to be productive, drop out of society, and form gangs that use force to rape, or become rich enough through plundering to get a harem of their own. Some Greek cities, early Roman youths, the Huns, all had this problem. (I don’t know enough about Viking history to verify if that was the case with them but raping and pillaging a continent seems a pretty good outlet for such pent up testosterone.)

    That explains a big problem in the middle east. I read one blog citing that as one of the contributing factors to the Greek riots this year.

    Additionally that fact has left me to keep my eye on China where the m/f ratio is skewed, but not because of harem building but because of government intervention. We’ll see what happens there. I’m sure its not the first time its happened in history, but its the first time its happened on such a large scale. If anyone knows where thats happened before let me know so I can read up on it.

    To know history is to know the future.

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  65. I’m not so certain polyandry is the way of the future, if just because of the gestation period. Doesn’t seem quite like things would work out on a majority level, and it would swing back towards monogamy or polygyny, especially if you go with the theory of alphas breeding alphas with your single-motherhood idea and preference towards thugs and the like.

    @Poetry —

    Oh it will never be the dominant model, no, but it will be in the mix, I think.

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  66. MaryJane

    I actually think better of him for taking care of his latest offspring.

    You would entitled American feminist bitch.

    It should be entirely up to Edwards how much or if at all he should support that ambush baby that Rielle Hunter hoodwinked him with.

    She should have no power to extract resources out of him whatsoever.

    Sluts should get no mandatory child support.

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  67. Poetry of Flesh oozed:

    Firepower,

    When I find a man I can truly respect, I’ll happily become his, and only his, sex-pinata. Well, unless he decides to share me.

    And stop arousing me at work.

    It’s delightful
    to find such an
    old – fashioned girl…

    You are not permitted arousal until I apply nipple-clips.

    they go on
    last

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  68. Except for the men who are left with no woman at all because one guy has five of them at once.

    This is at work among the Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints adherents who engage in polygamy. They marry off the girls when they hit puberty and kick the young boys out of the family to rot.

    “To reduce competition for wives, the church systematically expels adolescent boys, thus trimming the eligible male population. Church elders excommunicate boys as young as 14 ostensibly for bad behavior.

    Sometimes called the “Lost Boys,” they’re considered apostates and cut off entirely from their relatives. Parents or siblings who protest are sometimes asked to pack their bags as well. Girls have also been cast out of the church, but this happens much less often. Usually this punishment is reserved for women who don’t wish to be part of a polygamous marriage.”

    Mormons are extremely patriarchal. This basically means that it’s men, not women, who are enforcing polygamy in the church.

    [editor: they’re enforcing it against other men, not women. from what i’ve read, the mormom women don’t have much problem with the arrangement.]

    Incidentally every western state has a clause in the state statute against polygamy because of Mormonism.

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  69. Harem building results in many testosterone packed disenfranchised young men.

    those guys build harems. the haremless men are Sodini and DA

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  70. MaryJane

    I loathe pony boy, but whatever.
    If he wasn’t in the public eye and had a spine he would’ve divorced his wife.

    Instead he got himself into a sticky stew.

    Men need comfort and sex. No news there.

    WHY ON EARTH should he have to divorce Elizabeth? He obviously still loves his wife. She’s stuck by him and he’s sticking by her to the end. What’s admirable is that he DOESN’T divorce and abandon his wife in her sickness and no doubt lack of energy, etc.

    Yes he took a mistress, as Nicole wisely said she’d condone under the circumstances. Why shouldn’t he do just what he did?

    What’s obscene are two things: 1) the National Enquirer whipped up public scandal over this very natural occurance; and 2) Rielle Hunter’s ability to extort huge amounts of his after tax income out of him as child support, for the baby she no doubt ambushed him with in a cooly calculated manner.

    What’s outrageous is that the feminism suffused press hasn’t been viciously attacking Hunter for her gotch, ambush baby that she had right on the edge of her fertility extinguishing, with a very right man, whom she could use the outrageous feminist passed “dead beat dad” child support laws to extort money from.

    He shouldn’t have to pay her anything. It should be all up to him.

    If women want ongoing child support they should have to strike consensual deals with the fathers. Those used to be called marriage. She should at least have to sex him and provide on call companionship for her money, the amount to be as bargained between them.

    Feminist child support laws at obscene alimony levels particularly from rich men are an absolute travesty of justice.

    Women should start getting shot or poisoned over it in mass numbers.

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  71. Al,
    The simple truth is, that Clinton nor Edwards got any condemnation from the Feminist blogosphere, if anything, especially in the latter’s case one of said blogospehere’s biggest names actually worked for his campaign and they basically apologized for his actions. Gingrich did something quite similar, he was savaged by said Feminists.

    In the main, Women are incapable of being brutally honest about their sexual natures and impulses. This is nothing personal on my part. Just noting the simple facts.

    Again, thanks for proving my points.

    O

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  72. Mormons are extremely patriarchal. This basically means that it’s men, not women, who are enforcing polygamy in the church.

    @Hope —

    Polygamy is always “enforced” by the men — men are the enforcers of everything, at the end of the day, including all laws. But the reality of polygamy is that most women (other than the small number who could corral a top man all for themselves) love it — they all get access to the pick of the litter, while the rest of the men are treated as human refuse and discarded.

    To be honest, many women see most men exactly that way: as human waste. Discarding them (which is what you’re doing when you exile them) makes perfect sense to most women, and the exiled males will not be missed in the least.

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  73. [editor: they’re enforcing it against other men, not women. from what i’ve read, the mormom women don’t have much problem with the arrangement.]

    What did you read?

    [editor: anecdotes, just like the one you reprinted below. ps tell me again how your gina tingled all confucian-like when your ex-hubba bubba went on and on about beating up men and drinking and carousing and having mad skillz picking up really hot cheerleader blonde bimbos. or shall i pull up those comments for you? heh heh heh.]

    http://www.biblebelievers.net/cults/mormonism/womenofmormonism/kjcwom5.htm

    “But what could I do? Could I see my innocent children, who had always been tenderly cared for, go hungry, naked, and homeless ? I was not strong enough to do all my own household work, and I had a three months’ old baby at my breast. I could not go out and earn their food and clothes. I could not bring myself to see them suffer, as I knew they must do, for I knew him well enough to be assured that he would carry out his threat; so I said, ‘ Well, if you must take another wife, do so, but let it be any other woman in the world rather than the one you have named. You know how hateful she was to May, and how could I tolerate any one in the house that would be unkind to her? Choose any other woman in the city, and I will try to make the best of it.’

    Again I ask, what could I do ? Nothing. So I consented, went to the Endowment House, and gave as wife to my husband the woman that I most hated and despised of all women in the world. I saw her enter my house and take my place in the heart of the man for whom I had given up all I had held dear in this life.”

    “Though she did me, unwittingly perhaps, the most grievous wrong that one woman can do another, yet I will not be unjust to her. She was naturally good tempered, and never deliberately set to work to torture or annoy me, as I have known too many plural wives to do. Still I hated her with a more than mortal hatred, for had she not come between me and my all in this world?”

    “Since then, I have been in a measure prospered. Yet still my life has been a lonely and desolate one. But he who ruined my happiness, did not in the end encompass his own. He took more wives, and many children were born to him, but the most of them died in childhood, and those who were spared did not prove either a comfort or a blessing. Lonely as my lot is, I would not exchange it for his.”

    “I drew my veil over my face to hide my tears as I answered him, ‘ We were to blame ourselves, and this cursed libel on the name of religion, polygamy ! ‘”

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  74. But the reality of polygamy is that most women (other than the small number who could corral a top man all for themselves) love it — they all get access to the pick of the litter, while the rest of the men are treated as human refuse and discarded.

    To be honest, many women see most men exactly that way: as human waste. Discarding them (which is what you’re doing when you exile them) makes perfect sense to most women, and the exiled males will not be missed in the least.

    Utter and complete bull.

    [editor: not really. males are nature’s experimental guinea pigs.]

    Every mother loves her own sons far and away above the “other woman.” Discarding “them” means a mother sees her own sons get kicked out of the family. You think those exiled males will not be missed? You think your mother would not grieve if you were taken away at 15 and never to see her again?

    [mothers aren’t “girls i would like to fuck”. hth.]

    What kind of men are you to think these things?!

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  75. Utter and complete bull.

    Every mother loves her own sons far and away above the “other woman.” Discarding “them” means a mother sees her own sons get kicked out of the family. You think those exiled males will not be missed? You think your mother would not grieve if you were taken away at 15 and never to see her again?

    What kind of men are you to think these things?!

    @Hope —

    Mother’s with respect to sons are the exception Hope. You’ve heard the expression “a face only a mother could love”? Same applies here. Other than for men who are their sons, women see most males as human waste.

    I remember an article in the Daily Mail last year where a highly educated woman, commenting on the creation of artificial sperm, admitted that “most women see men as a waste of space”. I would qualify that for her by saying “men to whom they are not attracted” and “other than my son”. But otherwise, truer words were were never spoken.

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  76. or shall i pull up those comments for you? heh heh heh.

    Pull them up, please. I’d like to see just how delusional I was under the influence of all those who like to brainwash and manipulate.

    [editor: with pleasure. destroying your soul will be a much more satisfying experience for me than was my evisceration of Wendy Schwartz because you are cleverer quarry. i relish hanging the stuffed head of a new age morphing lycanthrope like yourself skilled in the art of self-deception. when i’m through with you not even your spirit guide will save you.]

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  77. I remember an article in the Daily Mail last year where a highly educated woman, commenting on the creation of artificial sperm, admitted that “most women see men as a waste of space”.

    Ah yes, so she speaks for all women. Very logical of you to think this, especially from a reputable source like the Daily Mail.

    http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/category/photoshop-disaster/

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  78. So, Tyler Durden’s secret society is really mormonism?

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  79. yeah, pull up hopee’s trail of incriminating evidence.
    i want to read dirtygirl smut before I go out hunting.
    I feel like eating Asian tonite neway

    i asked if she were repressed, hot child of Mao’s Great Cultural Revolution, or merely, a chunk.

    Confucius say:
    “no answer is answer”

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  80. Novaseeker, there’s a difference between cultures/subcultures that pretty much require polygamy, and polygamy being not a crime to the general public. Even if it were truly legal, most women wouldn’t go for it.

    Also, not enough men are interested in *loving* more than one woman, which is what secular polygamy would require. Religious polygamy could be done out of duty, but secular polygamy would be for love.

    …and from the polygamous situations I’ve seen break up well, when the vultures close in, the more there are, the less each one gets. A woman going into a polygamous union knows that if things go wrong, the male’s income is where her money is going to have to come from, not the other women, unless they are very kind.

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  81. I remember an article in the Daily Mail last year where a highly educated woman, commenting on the creation of artificial sperm, admitted that “most women see men as a waste of space”.

    She speaks for most women? Wow. Did she do a survey of a few billion people or what? Impressive. She is a highly educated woman, and she must be the authority on most women.

    I totally concede. You and this highly educated woman are absolutely right. That’s exactly how women see men who aren’t their sons and who they aren’t sexually attracted to. Women are such scum, sheesh.

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  82. Thinking on it further, if polygamy were legal or legally recognized by common law, it would certainly make women more conscious of child support and alimony unfairness. They’d be careful about allowing a fox into the hen house.

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  83. Novaseeker

    I remember an article in the Daily Mail last year where a highly educated woman, commenting on the creation of artificial sperm, admitted that “most women see men as a waste of space”. I would qualify that for her by saying “men to whom they are not attracted” and “other than my son”. But otherwise, truer words were were never spoken.

    Exaggerated self pitying crap in the Whiskey, AJ Travis mode.

    Hey, even AJ seems to have miraculously peaked S’s interest.

    Game really isn’t that hard for someone who’s reasonably articulate and has got a reasonable amount of social intelligence. A lot of it is just learning to be macho, not a pussy and to tease.

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  84. That’s exactly how women see men who aren’t their sons and who they aren’t sexually attracted to. Women are such scum, sheesh.

    @Hope —

    Now you’re interpolating your own values.

    I didn’t say women are “scum”. Women are humans with their own selfish interests, and typically those interests don’t extend at all to men to whom they are not attracted or blood relatives such as sons, brothers, fathers. They simply couldn’t care less about most of these men, because they are not wired to do so. They are wired to care about their children, primarily, and their children’s father, secondarily. Other males? Couldn’t care less, frankly.

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  85. “Women are such scum, sheesh.”

    Heh you said it. 🙂

    See this is what I don’t get, you clearly disagree with the premise of this blog and most of it’s commenters yet……..you keep coming back. Funny that. Perhaps because deep down in the murkiest part of your soul you know what is said here is the ugly naked truth. Cognitive dissonance….you’ll get through it, eventually.

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  86. One of the real, true, influential differences between men and women:

    Women will share a man, it might not be their first choice, but no high status man (or man who knows how to mimic high status behavior) has ever had any problem in getting women to share him. There are women who absolutely won’t share, but they’re a small minority – when push comes to shove, the great majority will share.

    Men absolutely do not want to share women. A man with a harem of six women will go to pretty extreme measures to keep other men from having access to them (though historically women in harems do cheat).

    The idea of free love and unlimited attachment free sex cannot function long term because ultimately to be of economic and social use most men need to be anchored in a monogamous relationship with a woman and if women aren’t willing to settle down into at least an appearance of monogamy, then men will either stagnate into degeneracy or channel their drives into really destructive ends. (Scratch the surface of most customs that seem to repress female sexuality and you’ll find the real reason is to try to control young men and channel them into families).

    To be sure, I have nothing against men and women experiementing and screwing around for a time in early adulthood, but for society to function well, most people have to move beyond that and settle and women on the whole have to make the first move in that direction.

    The real current innovation is not so much female hypergamy or inability to distinguish quality social dominant males from loser thugs (though in the current climate it’s clear that most US women cannot). The real innovation is a continuation of the (other) US national sport, not acting your age.

    The pursuit of Mr. Big and subsequent single motherhood is just another tactic women use to try to make themselves feel younger. The calendar may tell her she’s pushing 40 but that 3-year-old (whose father wants nothing to do with either of them) makes her feel like a teenager.

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  87. Hey, even AJ seems to have miraculously peaked S’s interest.

    …because A.J. Travis is a stud!

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  88. Novaseeker–

    I remember an article in the Daily Mail last year where a highly educated woman, commenting on the creation of artificial sperm, admitted that “most women see men as a waste of space”.

    That’s also standard issue feminist misandry, designed to put men in general on the defensive, particularly over educated leftist/feminist SWPL males who might still have bits of income and or job status over most women. This sort of thing is designed to knock the stuffing out of any of that.

    You buying it, even in the end times way you do with Whiskey, is rather pathetic Nova.

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  89. Exaggerated self pitying crap in the Whiskey, AJ Travis mode.

    Hey, even AJ seems to have miraculously peaked S’s interest.

    Game really isn’t that hard for someone who’s reasonably articulate and has got a reasonable amount of social intelligence. A lot of it is just learning to be macho, not a pussy and to tease.

    I never said Game was hard — that’s irrelevant to what I said, Doug. Game can make you attractive to women — agreed. If you’re not attractive to women, however (say you don’t have Game), or related to them, they don’t care about you. Simple as that.

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  90. destroying your soul will be a much more satisfying experience for me

    I am interested in how you want to go about destroying my “soul” — is that like a person who doesn’t believe in ghosts trying to hunt down ghosts?

    [editor: literalist asian girl. it’s called artistic license. keep an eye on future blog postings. ;)]

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  91. That’s also standard issue feminist misandry, designed to put men in general on the defensive, particularly over educated leftist/feminist SWPL males who might still have bits of income and or job status over most women. This sort of thing is designed to knock the stuffing out of any of that.

    You buying it, even in the end times way you do with Whiskey, is rather pathetic Nova.

    @Doug1 —

    Buying it, how?

    I take her at her word, and I don’t think she was lying. Do I *buy* it in the sense that *I* agree with her that most men a waste of space? No, I don’t. But I don’t think she was lying.

    Every now and then Doug, you’re quite protective of women. It’s a shame, really. It limits you.

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  92. PA

    A real-life harem consists of women aged 60 – 19. The older ones make life hell for the younger ones. Imagine living with your mother-in-law / she-devil boss all in one. She has power over you, assigns you the lowest chores, hates your kids, and sleeps with your husband.

    Gee, you mean like, social hierarchy? I thought that was only for wolf packs.

    Wow, that really does sound like living hell.

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  93. Hahahaha Roissy…damn you, now she will NEVER leave this place!

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  94. Nova–

    Every now and then Doug, you’re quite protective of women. It’s a shame, really. It limits you.

    The combo I do works Nova. Really well.

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  95. Nova

    Except for the men who are left with no woman at all because one guy has five of them at once.

    Haremettes play with sneaky fuckers, so you can always keep a look out for an unguarded female.

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  96. Funky,

    “Stings doesn’t it?”

    No. I found it drawing associations to the “coochie coochie coo” old-fashioned baby-talk, which I find rather disturbing and I’m mildly concerned about your use of “kooch” because of this. Do you play “Daddy”? If so, I could introduce you to a few friends of mine, but only if you are able to a bit more polite. I have a reputation to maintain, afterall.

    Firepower,

    In regard to
    the nipple clips…
    Do they have weights
    or bells dangling from them?

    Those are my favorite.
    I like the sway.

    Obsidian,

    “Women are incapable of being brutally honest about their sexual natures and impulses.”

    I rant about this upon occasion. Men seem to wish women to be inexperienced and naive, untouched if possible, and view those who are experienced as having lesser value, and those that are willing to discuss and explore sexuality loose and damaged. And yet they continue to complain about women being unable to acknowledge or communicate their own desires.

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  97. Cliff says, “To be sure, I have nothing against men and women experiementing and screwing around for a time in early adulthood, but for society to function well, most people have to move beyond that and settle and women on the whole have to make the first move in that direction.”

    …but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    Most of the problems in western society today are exactly because men and women are spending their prime breeding years fooling around instead of making families. Doing that is exactly how we get so many single mothers.

    For women, there is never a time, once you start your period, that it’s okay to experiment. Promoting this illusion is what screwed up my generation.

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  98. doug1:

    “The combo I do works Nova”

    Like in on roissy’s board or in real life?

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  99. Funky

    Majority will not accept used up kooch. You still don’t get it?

    You’re a silly person. The majority will accept kooch.

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  100. “For women, there is never a time, once you start your period, that it’s okay to experiment. Promoting this illusion is what screwed up my generation.”

    Damnit Nicole you make it so difficult to dislike you.

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  101. Nova

    Exactly. Polyandry is the way of the future.

    Humans have always had multiple sexual styles. Polyandry will remain one, that will gain more vogue. The others won’t disappear.

    Serial monogamy will also become more popular.

    And some children will get to experience a multitude of father figures.

    And that is the end of the world, how?

    If we become a more matriarchal society, yes, that’s bad. More gypsy like? I don’t see the negatives.

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  102. “More gypsy like? I don’t see the negatives.”

    Hah, go live among the gypsies before you speak pal.

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  103. Hope,

    You seem smarter than Wendy Schwartz and from your blog appear to be generally happy at present. Why do you continue to post on this blog when you know you will suffer abuse? (I make no representation that the abuse is legitimate or illegitimate)

    Every post you make tends to re-enforce roissy’s argument that you are attracted to abusive men. Do you not understand this?

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  104. editor: that edwards didn’t avail himself of tastier appetizers is the real mystery. maybe he’s the sort of thin-skinned, fragile ego type of man who requires complete manipulative control over his women and so chooses for himself aging hags who will lick his boots at the expense of hotter sex and stronger outwardly-directed love.]

    she has a really interesting history, that chick was inspiration for characters in jay mcineray and bret eaton ellis novels including american psycho. i wouldn’t say she was a muse or anythng but she must have been pretty interesting or a wildcat in the sack to be made into a character in 3 novels. From Wikipedia:

    “Brat Pack” novelist Jay McInerney said that his former-girlfriend Hunter is the basis for the lead character Alison Poole, “an ostensibly jaded, sexually voracious 20-year-old,”[3][16] in the 1988 novel Story of My Life. McInerney described their relationship and Hunter’s role as the inspiration for the character in an interview in 2005.[16][17][18] McInerney also said that he chose to write about her and her friends because he was both “intrigued and appalled” by their behavior.[16][17][18][19][20] Story of My Life, while ostensibly about the life of a hard-partying young social climber, carries within it a subplot that deals with the horse murders insurance fraud scandal, in which Lisa Druck was later revealed to have been a prominent victim, but which was, at the time of the novel’s publication, entirely unknown to the general public, as it was still under secret investigation by the FBI. The narrative begins with Alison Poole’s description of her father and says that when she was a teenager, her jumping horse “dropped dead,” details that closely parallel Druck’s early life.[21][22][23][5] McInerney’s novel ends with Poole disclosing that her horse was poisoned by her father:

    “ I loved that horse. … When he was poisoned I went into shock. They kept me on tranquilizers for a week. There was an investigation—nothing came of it. The insurance company paid off in full, but I quit riding. A few months later, Dad came into my bedroom one night. I was like, uh-oh, not this again. He buried his face in my shoulder. His cheek was wet and he smelled of booze. I’m sorry about Dangerous Dan, he said. Tell me you forgive me. He muttered something about the business[.][21] ”

    The Huffington Post sums the character up as follows: “Alison isn’t easy to like. When we first meet her, she’s an STD-carrying slut who cons her latest lover into giving her money by telling him she needs an abortion.”[24]

    There was open speculation that Story of My Life was a roman à clef novel when it first appeared; to New York Magazine’s questions “Is it real? Did it happen?” McInerney replied, “I’m anticipating some of that kind of speculation, but I’m utterly confident of not having any lawsuits on my hands. The book is a fully imagined work of fiction. On the other hand, it’s not to say that I didn’t make use of [pause] … That’s why I live in New York. Mine is not an autonomous imagination.”[25]

    McInerney’s Hunter-based character Alison Poole also appears in the later novels of Bret Easton Ellis, including American Psycho (1991) and Glamorama (1998).[20][26] A reference to Alison Poole’s character and the Kentucky Derby—a chapter in McInerney’s novel—is also included in Mary Harron’s 2000 film adaptation of American Psycho in a conversation between Patrick Bateman (played by Christian Bale), Elizabeth (played by screenplay co-writer Guinevere Turner), and Christie (played by Cara Seymour). In 2008, McInerney incorporated the John Edwards affair into the Allison Poole follow-up story “Penelope on the Pond” in his short story collection The Last Bachelor.[27]

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  105. Why do you continue to post on this blog when you know you will suffer abuse?

    Good point. I’ve taken to trying to give advice to women here, but it hasn’t seemed to work. Maybe it’s time for me to leave, especially since there are calls for it. 😉

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  106. “Every post you make tends to re-enforce roissy’s argument that you are attracted to abusive men. Do you not understand this?”
    Oh dear, now you’ve done it.

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  107. And that is the end of the world, how?

    If we become a more matriarchal society, yes, that’s bad. More gypsy like? I don’t see the negatives.

    @xsplat —

    The main issue is that men, if they are not fathers but merely “father figures” flitting in and out of their sex partners lives or men who are not getting sex at all (assume they don’t have Game), will not generally invest much in themselves or society as whole. That leads to stagnation and eventual decline.

    Gypsy society is stagnant, to use your example.

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  108. Poetry

    Do you play “Daddy”?

    Oh yeah. Sometimes.

    In regard to
    the nipple clips…
    Do they have weights
    or bells dangling from them?

    Bells sound fun Poetry. Never done bells.

    I rant about this upon occasion. Men seem to wish women to be inexperienced and naive, untouched if possible, and view those who are experienced as having lesser value, and those that are willing to discuss and explore sexuality loose and damaged. And yet they continue to complain about women being unable to acknowledge or communicate their own desires.

    It’s really not so complicated. Different men with options seek out or settle on different compromises.

    But the ideal is a sex hungry vixen who’s open to anything but totally unjaded and rather easily and delightfully overwhelmed because she is rather naïve and unschooled. But then hungry, very hungry for more, in a half ashamed but becoming less so, blossoming way. Obsession city.

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  109. Firepower

    No self-respecting Man tolerates being a member in the “harem” of a bitch – no matter how hot or how good she drains his balls.

    So, what you’re saying is, sluts are not popular, and no one fucks them.

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  110. Ghost of Nicole,

    I might have a different definition of ‘screwing around’ than you do. I mean serial monogamy with birth control with the understanding that pregnancy means marriage should take place. And I mean for a relatively limited time, a few years, not a few decades.

    Long term promiscuity is not good for men or women, the great majority of humans just don’t have the emotional equipment for it (and end up emotionally stunted and unable to pair bond longterm – like most PUA’s). On the other hand, we’re not necessarily made for lifelong monogamy either and at present there’s no feasible humane way of trying to enforce that either.

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  111. Honest Question for women:

    Is it less disgraceful if he cheats with a hot woman?

    Kinda like “see my man still has it and could easily pull hotties like this…and yet has been with me because of “touch” ”

    vs

    the edwards situation where your man is banging ugly rielle hunter type chicks…

    I would imagine a women would prefer their man bangin hotties…could be wrong though

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  112. Stop being obtuse xsplat. Men love to fuck around with sluts but not form long lasting relationships with same.

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  113. And yes it’s a double standard, blame nature.

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  114. on August 20, 2009 at 4:31 pm Cannon's Canon

    dammit, i still can’t get “orinoco flow” out of my head

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  115. TimX, interesting question. Reminds me of this:

    In a woody allen/Diane Keaton movie, Woody is trying seduce her, but all the while she keeps ranting on how perfect her old boyfriend is.

    Finally, they both go to a store and see her old boyfriend, played by Wallace Shawn, who is short, bald, and ugly.

    The look on Allen’s face is priceless: this is the guy I’ve been competing with? I’m not better than him? She fell for him?

    He’s torn: on one hand, he feels a lot better, after being insecure about this ex-bf. On the other, he can’t believe he (Wood Allen) is below this troll-looking guy, and clearly starts to wonder what a knockout liek Keaton is doing with Shawn…or Allen, now. (Diane Keaton, despite her hippie image, truly was an 8-10 (in my opinion, 9) in her prime; check out Sleeper for her playing off-type and looking shockingly jaw-dropping.

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  116. “But the ideal is a sex hungry vixen who’s open to anything but totally unjaded and rather easily and delightfully overwhelmed because she is rather naïve and unschooled. But then hungry, very hungry for more, in a half ashamed but becoming less so, blossoming way. Obsession city.”

    …I’m trying to hold in my laughter so my coworkers do not stare at me.

    This sounds like the opening for a porn.

    So, the ideal is a young, beautiful woman who is incredibly lustful and openminded, but somehow untarnished by the sexual-social views around her, and she’s magically saved herself for you to teach her like the avid pupil she is, adoring your manliness as if you were a golden god of sex and life experience?

    “Lord. You can imagine where it goes from here.”
    “He fixes the cable?”

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  117. Nova

    Polygyny practiced on a large scale only works if you have a steady and reliable way to kill off most of the men who are left woman-less, like, say, ceaseless tribal warfare.

    Men in Asia hang out with each other and live with their parents until they are wealthy enough to attract a wife. That can last past their mid twenties.

    Some use men for sex, even though they are not gay.

    Some play video games all the time.

    Some focus on work.

    There are other strategies other than war to keep unsexed men occupied. Thinking revolution and war is innevitable is rationalizing your emotion. You WISH it would lead to war. Rather than a life of quiet desparation, followed by a meaningless death.

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  118. Joe–

    Yeah I brought some of that Rielle Hunter past up the first time Roissy did a post on Edwards’ affair with her.

    I think there’s little doubt that she was once a real hottie. A hottie slut, and very skillful manipulator of men. Not a hottie at 43 however.

    A femme fatale.

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  119. Hope — He’s a realistic man who knows women. The mothers of exiled sons STAY with their husband. Women will ALWAYS choose sex with Alphas over their sons. ALWAYS. Look at Wendy Schwartz!

    I am glad some feminist upthread answered. She thinks Edwards and Clinton are the cat’s meow. She’d probably vote and campaign for Edwards. He’s Alpha. Women love that. An Alpha can do ANYTHING and women will love him all the more. Probably more women LOVE Edwards for cheating on his dying wife and making her last days a hell, than before.

    Of course, most men have nothing but contempt for him. Edwards is a scum without honor, loyalty, duty, or even an inkling of the responsibility of a husband or father. But that’s the ideal situation for MOST women — they’d rather a harem than the nuclear family.

    Which is exactly what we will get — loose harems, lots of angry young men roaming around, lots of violence towards women, and children too, and a slow decline into something between Chav Britain and West Africa. Or favela town. And contrary to Hope and others, women LOVE favelas. The greater social distance, aristocracy and poverty, and less “boring” middle class, the happier and more delighted women are. Women have powerful princess and nobility fantasies — and unless curtailed constantly by social institutions and conditioning, women always seek to create a few aristocrats lording it over a mass of peasantry.

    Yes most women see most men as human waste. Eminently disposable. This is because women are hard-wired to be hypergamous. And face no social constraints on that tendency. [Men can be just as bad, every ordinary man if he could would construct a harem — but fortunately most ordinary men have as much interest to women as a cold bowl of oatmeal and as much social/sexual power.]

    Cliff is absolutely correct. Doug is as always, fooling himself with White Knight fantasies.

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  120. Poetry-

    …I’m trying to hold in my laughter so my coworkers do not stare at me.

    This sounds like the opening for a porn.

    So, the ideal is a young, beautiful woman who is incredibly lustful and openminded, but somehow untarnished by the sexual-social views around her

    That’s one of the reasons there’s so much interest in East European and S.American women.

    To find girls who’s sexual nature is hot, but who haven’t become serious sluts like so many coastal urban American girls.

    Given to laughing over what is in fact mens’ age old ideal.

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  121. Funky K says, “Damnit Nicole you make it so difficult to dislike you.”

    Well, I’m sorry if that rains on anyone’s pussy parade, but we’re mortal.

    As far as the Hope thing, I don’t think she likes abusive men. She does however have a knight in shining armor thing that can make her vulnerable to abusive men. They all play that. Some guys really are that, but because it’s standard game for abusers, she should be careful.

    I think she comes here, like I did, because she wants to understand. I feel like I’ve been kind of fortunate to have not had so many of these questions until I was 38. Wow…

    So I hope she stays until she understands and has peace about it…and then stays to spread some of that to the next Hope-ful 🙂

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  122. on August 20, 2009 at 4:48 pm DestroyToCreate

    Edwards seems to be very much like a “Commander” in Margaret Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale.”

    His own wife can no longer bear children, and so he takes a (in her book a government sanctioned) mistress.

    Might the society of “The Handmaid’s Tale” be the path the US eventually takes as more and more people see our decline? And would it come about, as the book foretold, by an unusual combination of feminists and the very religious?

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  123. xsplat — History did not begin ten minutes ago. China in particular has been wracked by fights over women. Over twenty million people died in the Taipeng Rebellion in the 1850’s — with muzzle loading muskets! At its heart was a fight over women. That’s what it was.

    Mao bought social peace and backing of the peasantry by eliminating the concubines and harems of the officialdom. It is why he won in the first place. Stalin’s reign of terror is inexplicable until you realize the sexual component — he prevented harem building so gained a ready supply of killers. The Ottoman, Persian, Hindu, Chinese, and Edo Japanese empires with polygamy and lack of deep/wide male investment and cooperation stagnated and were easy pickings for newcomers from Europe. Only Japan came out of the trap of polygamy, and only through ruthless enforcement against traditional polygamy.

    Competition among nations is a matter of marginal advantage in resources, mostly human, and mostly technology, tools, and using them. A society with much wider, deeper investment by men in it, has far more technology, tools, and innovative use of them than a stagnant Gypsy like society. Hitler killed millions of Gypsies — because lacking any nation and technology, they were helpless. Iran may indeed wipe out Israel, but it will cost them dearly because the Israelis have their own nukes.

    Matriarchy is loser’s game. It always has been.

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  124. Did someone just say “Orinoco Flow”?

    Yuum.

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  125. To those questioning Edwards’ taste. Hunter is not a pump and dump slut or a traditional short term mistress (for whom looks are paramount). She’s a modern, debased kind of courtesan.

    In a less course age, a courtesan was not strictly speaking a common prostitute. She had patrons (long term relationships) and while money changed hands, there was nothing so crude as regular payments but usually gifts (esp jewelry and real estate).
    And while sex was part of the relationship it arguably wasn’t the most important. The courtesan provided lively, intelligent companionship and a sympathetic ear (for those things her patron couldn’t tell his wife). The big difference between then and now is that traditionally courtesans were valued for their discretion (they were probably paid just as much for that as anything else). And their careers could last well into their 40’s or 50’s. Geisha are a Japanese version of courtesan and traditionally the Geisha’s prime earning years were 40 to 60.

    The big difference is course that Hunter didn’t have enough discretion (or self-awareness of her true role) and she openly dissed his wife (which a more skilled courtesan would not do).

    I’d even argue that Monica Lewinsky was a kind of courtesan in training, though stupid and inexperienced (or she would have burned the damn dress). The transcripts I’ve read about her relationship with Clinton indicated he liked her for her company and personality (witness his remark about her being ‘full of vinegar and piss’).

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  126. TimX, if I was dying of cancer and either couldn’t perform or became incredibly gross or ugly, the hotness of the other woman would be irrelevant. I’d be concerned for his safety and wellbeing as well as that of our children.

    Since so many women are hoes, my concern would be that he not allow a hoe to wreck him or my kids.

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  127. Cliff

    Men absolutely do not want to share women.

    Which is why there are no prostitutes.

    [editor: the prostitutes are not theirs to share.]

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  128. Doug1,

    “That’s one of the reasons there’s so much interest in East European and S.American women.

    “To find girls who’s sexual nature is hot, but who haven’t become serious sluts like so many coastal urban American girls.

    Aw, and here I thought you liked my coastal urban-dwelling appeal.

    And I’m sure this has been discussed before. Eastern European and South American women versus American women. The differences spring from what? All are male dominated cultures, yet somehow America has become this “tainted” beast of aggressive, sexually liberally, gold-digging whores (or so I continue to read). I think this is simply a reaction to male views and expectations of females in a newer country based on individualism. You gather a lot of cultures and religions into one place, traditions merge, ideals merge, morals merge. Then you end up with women with a good deal of access to other women, to information and viewpoints that allow them to develop in this way, in a reaction to whatever imbalance they determine is wrong. But it is a reaction. Something causes it, an environment created by men.

    I do know that my own reaction and ways of dealing with this perceived imbalance was, at least in part, due to said environment.

    But then, I doubt anyone will agree with me. Nothing new.

    “Given to laughing over what is in fact mens’ age old ideal.”

    I will continue to find amusement in this, as well as women’s age-old ideals. Mostly, though, the laughter was spurred because there are many ideals of men (this one I know quite well) and I believe it comes down to more of a biological base: a woman that will reproduce and somehow guarantee that the offspring will be that of her partner’s. The description you gave was just one avenue of doing that, but on a more Western level.

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  129. Cliff

    because ultimately to be of economic and social use most men need to be anchored in a monogamous relationship with a woman

    Or need to earn enough money to pay for the prostitute.

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  130. Cliff

    but for society to function well, most people have to move beyond that and settle and women on the whole have to make the first move in that direction.

    So, women shouldn’t have Cinderella complexes?

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  131. on August 20, 2009 at 5:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    The important question for Mrs. Edwards to pose to her husband regarding Ms. Hunter:

    What’s she gonna look like with a chimney on her?

    (“orinoco flow” now cleared from cache)

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  132. “So, women shouldn’t have Cinderella complexes?”

    On the off chance that you’re serious: No, they shouldn’t, it’s a horribly destructive fantasy and ruins the lives of women (and men who have the misfortune of knowing them).

    It’s the main motivator behind the current, obscene US marriage rituals of conspicuous consumption.

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  133. Nova

    If you’re not attractive to women, however (say you don’t have Game), or related to them, they don’t care about you. Simple as that.

    So you are making an (unoriginal) observation. Not a morality judgement. No shoulds involved.

    I’ve been watching an oldies movie channel, and all the themes discussed on this blog were widely and clearly articulated in the fifties. And all sexual strategies discussed have been discussed for many decades and centuries and millenia before.

    How old is the Cinderella notion? Is that a complex of modernity?

    That women “should” fuck betas for the betterment of the social and economic fabric is the male version of men “should” remain faithful.

    Emotional thinking.

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  134. [editor: the prostitutes are not theirs to share.]

    Exactly.

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  135. Poetry

    Aw, and here I thought you liked my coastal urban-dwelling appeal.

    Sluts can be fun to play with yes.

    Sex hungry ingenues and relative ingenues are often even more fun to play with.

    They’re certainly better LTR, live together or marriage bets.

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  136. Whiskey

    Hitler killed millions of Gypsies — because lacking any nation and technology, they were helpless.

    So you advocate a technological arms race, and don’t see that as your particular style of endgame. You think it’s sustainable.

    You are naive.

    Your endgame is armageddon. We aren’t using fire hardened sticks anymore. Cultures remaining one up on the other will lead to – an arms race. Which lead to? Sustainability?

    Nope.

    Yes, I advocate low tech Gypsy living. Neither is sustainable. I’ll go out my way, you go out yours.

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  137. Ghost of Nicole

    Since so many women are hoes, my concern would be that he not allow a hoe to wreck him or my kids.

    Then join in the effort to role back percentage child support=alimony laws.

    They’re particularly obscene when they’re applied uncapped to wealthy men. It’s an absurd legal transfer of power to gotcha baby popping sluts.

    There’s nothing natural about it, nor was it historically true. A man should have to acknowledge a child as his, and one he wants, to be legally obligated to support it, certainly beyond welfare levels.

    It’s an obscene matriarchial feminist grab of power from men, their earning power, to force them to pay up to 1/3 of their after tax income for gotcha, un consented to babies.

    When the slut mother could Plan B, abort, or give for adoption all without ANY ongoing child support or parenting requirements if that’s what she wants.

    We shouldn’t be giving the Rielle Hunters and other single mothers of America this automatic power.

    Women should have to earn any child support they get on an ongoing basis. By being good and ready fucks, and companions, to the men they wish ongoing support from.

    Instead what we have is gotcha slut robbery, using new feminist “dead beat dad” child support=alimony laws. For sluts.

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  138. In the polygamy culture, there eventually has to be a next generation of men (small as it might be). Some small number of men must be retained – the next set of Alphas. Women socialixed onto such a culture will (more or less reluctantly) go along with driving out the non-Alpha young males in the same way they go along with giving their early to mid teenage daughters to the older men as extra wives.

    Women raised in current feminist mindset culture can’t comprehend it, but for those raised in the polygamous culture, it is accepted as “tehy way things are”.

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  139. Perhaps we could add legitimacy back to marriage by having only children born into wedlock as being legitimate heirs. Sure, it would harm a lot of children but you can bet your ass there would be a decline in single motherhood. Never would happen though.

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  140. @doug, poetry – doug’s fantasy is a mirror image of the romance-novel female fantasy. both sides of the bifurcated mating relationship (madonna/whore, cad/dad) in one. nothign wrong with fantasies,just so long as you realize they are highly unlikely to be realized in real life.

    *loved* the lebowski reference. i like you even more now than i did before.

    @whiskey, nova – i think it’s a little harsh to say that women think beta males, or males they aren’t attracted to, are “humangarbage” fit only to be discarded or ignored. in sexual terms, maybe – they are disgueted when they are hit on my men they find ounattractive. but in a wider sopcial sense, they depend on these men – they’re the police, builders, mechanics, pilots, etc. whose social and economic roles they are sensible enough to respect, as other men do. i think your statement only applies in a narrow mating sense, and even then is a bit overstated.

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  141. Edwards is def. an alpha. If he isn’t an alpha then people are setting the bar wayyyy too high.

    Clinton was, of course, alpha in the classic sense. When I think of Edwards I see more of an ‘artful dodger’ type. Successful trial lawyer who convinced people to award huge sums of money to clients that went up against well -connected and well-funded hospitals, US Senator, VP nominee, good looking, smooth talker…

    Edwards is no Slick Willy but he crossed the alpha rubicon a long time ago.

    Just because he knocked up that Rielle Hunter broad doesn’t mean she was par for the course in terms of the chicks he was boning.

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  142. Doug1,

    “Sluts can be fun to play with yes.

    “Sex hungry ingenues and relative ingenues are often even more fun to play with.

    “They’re certainly better LTR, live together or marriage bets.”

    I find this to be very narrow.

    Men learn how to please and seduce women by gaining as much experience they can with various types. A tendency towards high partner count means success, means they know what they are doing. Decent to excellent in bed, able to socialize and flirt, aware of their desires and their strengths and weaknesses.

    But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with.

    No, it’s not enough.

    It’s preferred to have a sex-hungry woman who you can mold around you. One untouched, one who has never been tempted into cheating, does not know how to control herself or even recognize her desires for what they are. Someone who is with you, who hasn’t had enough experience with other men to know what she wants, to see the options available to her.

    One of my guys (GV8) said to me recently, something along the lines of, “I don’t sleep around so much because I’ve already been with so many women, it’s just another body, and usually one that I’d rather not wake up to.” The recognition of sex, of values… perfect.

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  143. maurice–

    doug’s fantasy is a mirror image of the romance-novel female fantasy. both sides of the bifurcated mating relationship (madonna/whore, cad/dad) in one. nothign wrong with fantasies,just so long as you realize they are highly unlikely to be realized in real life.

    Ah but I’ve found that “fantasy” or a close approximation is most definitely achievable Maurice.

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  144. Maurice,

    “doug’s fantasy is a mirror image of the romance-novel female fantasy.”

    Hence my laughter. But really, all too common. Followed up by the wild badboy looking for his innocent maiden to redeem him and his wicked ways male fantasy. See that all too often. Fortunately, there’s a lot of innocent-enough maidens to swoop in and cause an explosive drama-ball.

    “*loved* the lebowski reference. i like you even more now than i did before.”

    Aw, and here I thought no one would get that. If you aren’t careful, I might start texting you random movie quotes when the mood strikes, and see if you get them without using IMDB.

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  145. **Funky K.

    Stop being obtuse xsplat. Men love to fuck around with sluts but not form long lasting relationships with same.**

    Right.

    I thought you were shaming sluts, or something.

    Or, do you not love to fuck around with sluts?

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  146. maurice: suppose you’re highly unlikely then. Unless you’re primarily cad? What have you been hiding?

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  147. But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with

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  148. Doug

    But the ideal is a sex hungry vixen who’s open to anything but totally unjaded and rather easily and delightfully overwhelmed because she is rather naïve and unschooled. But then hungry, very hungry for more, in a half ashamed but becoming less so, blossoming way. Obsession city.

    Well, ya, and then don’t be so selfish. After you get bored, you hand her off to the next guy, who will happen to titillate and educate and open her in new ways that your ego wished were not possible.

    Rinse and repeat.

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  149. Poetry can´t get it

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  150. But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with.

    No, it’s not enough.

    @Poetry —

    This has to do with the very unequal risks associated with “cheating” that men and women respectively run. Only men run the risk of being cuckolded in the sense of investing unwittingly in another man’s offspring due to a cheating wife. Hence the emphasis, for LTR partners, that men place on (relative) chastity.

    I’m sure that some women who have 100 partners when they marry will suddenly and irrevocably switch to happy lifetime monogamy with one man, but seriously … that’s a tall order.

    To use an analogy, if an employer wished to hire someone and her resume indicated that she had been with 40 employers in the last ten years, would it be unreasonable for the employer to not hire her because she was concerned about loyalty and constancy? No, it wouldn’t be. We would think it perfectly justified to have such a concern and to screen out the candidate on that basis alone. The same reasoning applies to a woman’s sexual history when she is being evaluated as a potential LTR/wife.

    Double standard with men? Sure. But women do not run the risk of being cuckolded, only men do.

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  151. I mean, aren’t you interested in the future of our society Doug? Who will school our up and coming men?

    It should be a well schooled matron.

    That’s how I was brought up. Start with older women, dally with same age, and eventually school up the younger generation.

    That’s how knowledge moves.

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  152. Dear Roissy,

    Since I cannot find your email address, I’m posting my question here.

    Are you aware that Lawrence Auster has made the following comment about the worldview you project?
    (it’s at http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013986.html)

    Again, we see the applicabilty to Roissyism of Eugene (Fr. Seraphim) Rose’s analysis of the four stages of Nihilism. The first stage of Nihilism, Liberalism (I’m using Rose’s capitalization), stops believing in any higher truth, but doesn’t come right and say so; and keeps using the names of higher truth. The second stage of Nihilism, Realism, says that the only truth is material. In the third stage of Nihilism, which is Vitalism, people react against the depressing sterility of Realism and embrace fun, excitement, stimulation as ends in themselves, rejecting any notion of truth. And this is more or less the way Roissyism has developed. Coming out of a background of Liberal relativism toward truth plus brutal biological reductionism (Realism), and still keeping the Realist idea that the only truth is material, it promotes a cult of sexual conquest for the sake of sexual conquest. And this embrace of pure selfishness and meaningless excitement combined with the rejection of all truth except for materialist truth (which is no truth at all) leads to the fourth and final stage of Nihilism, the Nihilism of Destruction, which we see in the Roissyites’ continuing promotion of and pursuit of sexual promiscuity even as Titanic is sinking.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I agree, at least in general, with Auster’s characterization of your enterprise.

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  153. xsplat,

    “After you get bored, you hand her off to the next guy, who will happen to titillate and educate and open her in new ways that your ego wished were not possible.

    “Rinse and repeat.”

    Sometimes you sound like you’re copy-and-pasting from my blog, which is rather… interesting.

    gig,

    Maybe you should break it down for me. I’ve got this whole problem, you see, with viewing morals and values as extremely subjective, created by society as a function, not as something innate to mankind.

    But I’m sure with an enlightened monologue from you, my female brain will expand under your tutelage and I will renounce the behaviors that I have thus far found best to suit my needs and desires.

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  154. Hell yes I advocate MY culture continuing it’s technological advantage. Humans are tool-makers. It’s what we do. It’s the only way to survive. It’s a bad, dangerous world out there. Sudden, massive supervolcanoes. Asteroids from space. Mass extinctions at every turn (around 95% of all species that ever lived went extinct).

    Tool-making, technology, is the only proven way to protect one’s culture and species. I don’t hate humanity and want it extinct (like SWPL yuppies and lots of women who buy into that “Life after People” — “I Hate Myself” porn). Humans after technology spread to every continent, on the globe, and those with better technology conquered those with worse. If the West does not constantly increase technological innovation some other culture WILL.

    Xsplat — you HAVE to be a woman. Every guy who’s ever been in a fight (that’s 99.99999% of us) knows that you don’t find “peace” through being weak, but being strong (and minding your own business). Being weak works for women (when they are young and pretty anyway) but doesn’t for men. YOU might be happy to be the conqueror’s sex slave but WE end up dead in a ditch. Only a woman would look at WWII and say “gee, the problem was people were not pacifist ENOUGH.”

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  155. http://www.amazon.com/Surrender-Erotic-Memoir-Toni-Bentley/dp/0060732474/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250806178&sr=8-1

    a wise men said : “every woman likes anal sex, but mostly haven´t realized it yet”

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  156. Alan, I’m not sure if Roissy really promotes promiscuity. Since I’ve been here, I’ve found more than a few good reasons to avoid it, as I’m sure have others.

    Promiscuity is how he copes with reality as he perceives it. It’s his personal choice for his life. I’ve never seen him say that this is the best course for everyone. If he has, it was probably said in a moment of despair or pessimism, though I haven’t seen him say that even when he seems pretty unhinged.

    Some people are capable of having a lifestyle, and loving it, without insisting that everyone else should be the same.

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  157. @doug- more power to you, i suppose. just remember what nmeil struass taught in the game: “leave ’em better than you found ’em”. some wisdom and true-alpha-milk-of-human-kindness contained in that little cliche.

    @bhetti- not sure what you mean, unless it’s to say i’m a living dream? aw, how sweet. but i know your heart belongs to abelard, despite his may other dream girls.

    @poetry- try me! a well-placed movie quote can communicate a lot of context, humor, meaning, etc. a convenient and fun shorthand.

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  158. Poetry–

    Doug1 “Sluts can be fun to play with yes.

    “Sex hungry ingenues and relative ingenues are often even more fun to play with.

    “They’re certainly better LTR, live together or marriage bets.”

    I find this to be very narrow.

    A girl who admits to having had 80 men under her belt would have to think that, wouldn’t she?

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  159. my female brain will expand under your tutelage

    as borat said, it is bounded by the dimensions of a cashew nut

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  160. Auster doesn’t like me any better, either. So what?

    Xsplat — You have to be a woman. Winners are those who use better/more technology to conquer their neighbors. That’s fine for attractive young women wanting to be the concubines of the conquerors, us men end up dead, buried in some mass grave.

    SOMEONE is going to win, and use marginal advantage to conquer the rest. I think it should be the West, not some other culture. We also need as much technology as we can as a species — 95% or so of all species that ever lived went extinct.

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  161. “A girl who admits to having had 80 men under her belt would have to think that, wouldn’t she?”

    Damn, that explains a lot. I need a bucket….bleh

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  162. I’ll also add my criticism of Auster: he proposes a “new monasticism” that simply won’t work. A bunch of guys going basically David Alexander, but with conservative thinking instead of Railfanning. What’s the difference?

    Roissy, offers marginal improvements and thus marginally more investment and involvement by most men in women’s lives. It’s not the return of the nuclear family, or monogamy, or anything like that. But more than just sporadic, Sodini type hook-ups followed by decades long dry spells. Which leads most men not to massacre but not caring at all. Even a minimal investment by men in women and children, is better than none at all.

    To sum up, something beats nothing every time. Game is not a magic wand, but it’s something. Which beats nothing.

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  163. Whiskey, when the war comes, you will be the patriot with a rifle.

    I’ll be in Indonesia in a coconut grove with my girls.

    I’ll take my chances on you finding me and shooting me.

    We’ll see which strategy leads to longevity.

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  164. Gig,

    The Surrender is a decent read. Not fantastic writing though. I wouldn’t really consider it worth a recommendation.

    Maurice,

    You will probably find that the majority of my quotes originate from Jurassic Park and Bio-Dome.

    Doug1,

    “A girl who admits to having had 80 men under her belt would have to think that, wouldn’t she?”

    Well, I suppose I could stumble around my life in a haze or guilt and self-loathing, wondering what it is that I did wrong and if any man will be able to love me in spite of my “sins”.

    And it wasn’t just under my belt. I’m a big fan of oral.

    Also, while attempting to do a recount of what my goldfish brain can remember, it’s looking like it’s closer to 60-65. Which isn’t bad, all things considered. I should have kept a list or something. Oh well.

    Gig,

    “as borat said, it is bounded by the dimensions of a cashew nut”

    You’re much too kind. I’ve always likened it to a tic-tac, or a peanut, depending on how much like a brontosaurus I’m feeling.

    And aside from attempting to insult me, you haven’t educated me in the proper, lady-like way to be at all.

    Let me know when you feel like giving my cashew-brain some assistance. I’m all ears.

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  165. And I’m less affected by northern hemisphere nuclear fallout down here. Plenty of delicious food, too.

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  166. maurice: Yes, my heart lies elsewhere because am hypergamous. Abelard’s beyond fantasies. I could concievably be completely ruined for any living man aside from him and most assuredly if he — what’s the romance novel phrase? aha! — “claims me”.

    O, Rome, Abelard, any other name ye are known by and perfection in the eye of this beholder, thou hast been this bint’s downfall.

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  167. Also, while attempting to do a recount of what my goldfish brain can remember, it’s looking like it’s closer to 60-65.

    Hey! A number! Well, without length of relationships, it’s not that telling.

    My number is very small. Only about 55 or thereabouts. But some were in polyamourous longish term relationships, some were in monogamous LTR, so that’s more meantingful than a bunch of pump and dumps.

    60-65? Why not?

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  168. it is good for mankind that the knowledge contained in The surrender spreads throughout the Earth

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  169. Dead model’s ex had violent history
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/08/20/ng.model.dead.husband.cnn

    Nice goin girls…you sure know how to pick em 🙂

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  170. I don’t know about you guys but I really am scared about roissy dissecting out Hope. I’ve dissected really horrifying things and not felt much trepidation before or after compared to this. It’s one thing to do LR.

    Why? roissy, please be vaguely merciful. Noone will notice. Please.

    Hope, please don’t read it.

    I probably shouldn’t either.

    I could barely deal with the horror of the LR spectacle and she was seemingly okay with it. That was horrifying. This will be ten times the horror.

    It should be noted that I have ingested an energy drink. Which has the same effect on me reportedly as alcohol has on others.

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  171. Poetry of Flesh:

    But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with.

    You are writing as if all these characteristics were independent of each other. The whole point is that from a man’s perspective, if a girl has gone through a “variety of men,” the chances that she’ll display any true loyalty towards him and be willing to keep a house well are dangerously small. Even if you disagree with this, think about it: would a rational man conclude that she’s settling on him as the best male she ever came across, better than the entire multitude she’s sampled so far — or merely as the best one realistically available for permanent commitment after she’s finally realized that for all those superior alphas that pumped and dumped her in the past, she’s never been more than a run-of-the-mill harem member?

    What you’re describing is an entirely imaginary creature invented by slutty women and liberal sexual ideologues. The idea that a woman can have sex with a large number of men until she runs into the “best one” who will somehow magically reciprocate her wish for commitment is an absurd delusion. In reality, she’s already tasted all there is in terms of passion and excitement, and any man she can realistically expect to commit to her will look like a bland and boring compromise at best. Needless to say, this doesn’t forebode well for how she’s likely to treat him in the future.

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  172. In the third stage of Nihilism, which is Vitalism, people react against the depressing sterility of Realism and embrace fun, excitement, stimulation as ends in themselves, rejecting any notion of truth. And this is more or less the way Roissyism has developed. Coming out of a background of Liberal relativism toward truth plus brutal biological reductionism (Realism), and still keeping the Realist idea that the only truth is material, it promotes a cult of sexual conquest for the sake of sexual conquest.

    I think Poetry of Flesh just came.

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  173. Jack Burton: “he embarked on a months-long RELATIONSHIP with an obviously insane, OBVIOUSLY golddigging, cracked-out, fucked-out, mid-40s, stupid, leathery, whorish 3, who must have reeked of day-old booze most of the time.”

    Agreed. I wouldn’t have fucked that wacked out coke-vacuum for money. She’s probably a 5-6 physically, but I agree with 3 for overall. If I had, I’d make sure it was a big secret, and it wouldn’t have been rawdog. Lolz; there’s a thought though -I wonder how hard it is for a guy like Edwards to buy condoms. If he buys them … people go, WTF dude; you’re famous and married. If his underlings buy them for him, then his underlings know and have power over him. And the type of rest room with rubbers in it isn’t likely to be frequented by presidential candidates.

    At least Monica was young, even if she was a cow, and Bill was smart enough to only ejaculate on her face.

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  174. i relish hanging the stuffed head of a new age morphing lycanthrope like yourself skilled in the art of self-deception. when i’m through with you not even your spirit guide will save you.

    damn ‘hope’.

    a thousand hours worth of eckhart tolle tapes can’t save you now.

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  175. POF:

    You will probably find that the majority of my quotes originate from Jurassic Park and Bio-Dome.

    Do you know any from Looking For Mr. Goodbar?

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  176. Funky,

    “Damn, that explains a lot. I need a bucket….bleh”

    If your stomach is that weak, I’d hate to take you sailing.

    Xsplat,

    “Hey! A number! Well, without length of relationships, it’s not that telling.”

    I don’t keep track of lengths of time when it comes to lovers, usually ranges from a few months to a couple years, with breaks for relationships with other people. Committed relationships, from oldest to most recent, we’ve got a 4 mos (no sex), 8 mos (approx 20th partner), 3 mos ( approx 25th partner), 1.5 yr (approx 27th), 2.25 yr (approx 40th), and 2 yr (approx 50th). I’m 25 now, have been single for almost a year (finally!). Run your stats as you see fit.

    I do my best to not get into relationships. The last one was very prudish about sex outside of a relationship so I ended up agreeing to date him so I could sleep with him. The one before that was me auditioning doms and settling on one. Before that, a man who would not take “no relationship” for an answer and was after me for six months before I gave in because he was so good with his mouth. Then I broke his nose with my pubic bone. I blame him to this day.

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  177. Xsplat — being strong means you don’t have a fight to begin with. How many guys picked a fight with Bruce Lee or Arnold? Lee once at Berkeley, in the late fifties, was surrounded by a group of guys who did not like him dating his White G/F (soon to be his wife). They knocked over his motorcycle. Lee knew he could take these guys, all four or five, but did not want a fight that jeapordized his scholarship. His solution? He showed strength — picking up his knocked over motorcycle (weight over 400 pounds) casually with one ARM! The guys sufficiently awed and intimidated, apologized and went on their way.

    Vladimir — Quite correct. Every extra guy for a woman is a marginally less attachment to the next guy. Which men know.

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  178. “I don’t know about you guys but I really am scared about roissy dissecting out Hope. I’ve dissected really horrifying things and not felt much trepidation before or after compared to this. It’s one thing to do LR.

    Why? roissy, please be vaguely merciful. Noone will notice. Please.”

    Hey, she decided to play with the boys well………

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  179. I don’t know about you guys but I really am scared about roissy dissecting out Hope.

    Your coming from a fear-based place my child.

    Calm down.
    Breathe In. Breathe out.

    Your living in the Now.

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  180. Tupac meets Poetry of Flesh:

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  181. Bhetti

    Hope, please don’t read it.

    I probably shouldn’t either.

    Why, Bhetti, I didn’t know you slowed down at traffic accidents.

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  182. POF: “But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with.”

    The thing is, we know sluts ain’t loyal, sluts almost never keep house for anyone, no sane man cares about “how well she can communicate,” and all women pick the same couple of men. I’ve been “judged out of all others to be the one” many times: sometimes after a ridiculously short courtship. Shit, sometimes before I even stuck my tongue in their mouths. I’ve always laughed and moved on, because I know there will be more. If I ever do settle down, it won’t be with some slutty old harridan who has perfected her blowjob technique on basketball teams: it will be with some young, nurturing mammal with 20 years of fertility ahead of her. Why? Because I can, and I’d be stupid to do otherwise.

    As for your inability to understand where morality comes from: it evolved. Duh. The reason for sexual morality was human beings used to die from sleeping around before someone invented antibiotics. Beyond that, as has been pointed out numerous times here, slutty women don’t bond with men.

    Mencken talked about this at the dawn of female suffrage, in his “In Defense of Women.” Google for it; it’s all online.

    “not one woman in a hundred ever marries her first choice among marriageable men. That first choice is almost invariably one who is beyond her talents, for reasons either fortuitous or intrinsic. Let us take, for example, a woman whose relative navetete makes the process clearly apparent, to wit, a simple shop-girl. Her absolute first choice, perhaps, is not a living man at all, but a supernatural abstraction in a book, say, one of the heroes of Hall Caine, Ethel M.Dell, or Marie Corelli. After him comes a moving-picture actor. Then another moving-picture actor. Then, perhaps, many more–ten or fifteen head. Then a sebaceous young clergyman. Then the junior partner in the firm she works for. Then a couple of department managers. Then a clerk. Then a young man with no definite profession or permanent job–one of the innumerable host which flits from post to post, always restive, always trying something new–perhaps a neighborhood garage-keeper in the end. Well, the girl begins with the Caine colossus: he vanishes into thin air. She proceeds to the moving picture actors: they are almost as far beyond her. And then to the man of God, the junior partner, the department manager, the clerk; one and all they are carried off by girls of greater attractions and greater skill–girls who can cast gaudier flies. In the end, suddenly terrorized by the first faint shadows of spinsterhood, she turns to the ultimate numskull–and marries him out of hand.

    This, allowing for class modifications, is almost the normal history of a marriage, or, more accurately, of the genesis of a marriage, under Protestant Christianity. Under other rites the business is taken out of the woman’s hands, at least partly, and so she is less enterprising in her assembling of candidates and possibilities. But when the whole thing is left to her own heart–i.e., to her head–it is but natural that she should seek as wide a range of choice as the conditions of her life allow, and in a democratic society those conditions put few if any fetters upon her fancy. The servant girl, or factory operative, or even prostitute of today may be the chorus girl or moving picture vampire of tomorrow and the millionaire’s wife of next year. In America, especially, men have no settled antipathy to such stooping alliances; in fact, it rather flatters their vanity to play Prince Charming to Cinderella. The result is that every normal American young woman, with the practicality of her sex and the inner confidence that goes therewith, raises her amorous eye as high as it will roll. And the second result is that every American man of presentable exterior and easy means is surrounded by an aura of discreet provocation: he cannot even dictate a letter, or ask for a telephone number without being measured for his wedding coat. “

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  183. Bhetti–

    I don’t know about you guys but I really am scared about roissy dissecting out Hope.

    Hope irritates Roissy principally because she’s anti game. She’s gone from saying it usually doesn’t work with most girls to admitting it usually does with most, but she still greatly dislikes it.

    However unlike Wendy Schwartz and her ilk, Hope is basically a very positive force in the world. She’s very monogamous and loyal. Yes she got divorced but that was w/out kids and a seemingly difficult situation.

    She does idealize too much, but perhaps less than before. She also goes from one extreme to another, e.g. re: her ex husband. It would be possible to throw a lot of what she said about him and the nature of love with him in her face. But to what end.

    As I’ve said, I like Hope. Her main problem has been far too low a self image it seems to me. Lots of times feminists throw this around to encourage huge senses of entitlement and excessively inflated self images among American women, but in Hope’s case I think it’s true. That low self image lead her to believe that settling for her husband, since he had paid early attention to her, and then returned to pay a lot one again, combined with tearing her down and making her think even more than she was inclined to that she was damn lucky that ANYONE really wanted her, in any serious way, really held her back. Combine that with a lot of shy intelligence, and well, there you are.

    So I agree. I think savaging of Hope would be like kicking kittens across the room. I hope Roissy doesn’t really do it.

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  184. Even if you disagree with this, think about it: would a rational man conclude that she’s settling on him as the best male she ever came across, better than the entire multitude she’s sampled so far — or merely as the best one realistically available for permanent commitment after she’s finally realized that for all those superior alphas that pumped and dumped her in the past, she’s never been more than a run-of-the-mill harem member?

    If you are looking for a lifetime mate, then ya, maybe go for the virgin. In a controlled society. Where women can’t make much dosh. And social shame will lose her all of social approval.

    But if you want a fuck buddy or a Friday or a two year fling or a woman to carry your child and run your businesses in that particular city?

    You talk as if the only male strategy is marriage.

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  185. Hope’ll be fine. Roissy’s easy to kick around like a little bitch. When I really make him cry like the herpes-infected little cunt he is,. he just d eletes the post so you can’t all see his utter humiliation at my hands.

    [editor: hey look who’s back. it’s the human spam cannon.]

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  186. Wow doug, you know her pretty well huh.

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  187. on August 20, 2009 at 7:26 pm Comment_Whatever

    Another interesting aspect of this dynamic is Jon from Jon and Kate +8. This poor, technically beta, hen-pecked man believed that women, like, care when they are cheated on.

    So if he really, really hates his life and wants his relationship to end, then all he has to do is cheat in a completely flagrant way, right? Right? That will get rid of her, RIGHT?

    SUCKER!

    Poor, poor, Jon. Despite his wild-eyed determination to publicly humiliate his wife into leaving him, all he probably triggered was EVEN MORE HEN-PECKING, combined with renewing what little gina-tingle she had left for him. She latched on even harder.

    Biting and whipping him for humiliating her the whole time.

    I can imagine him just reaching out to a friend while Kate alternately curses him out and kisses him, eyes pleading, begging his friend to just put a bullet in his skull.

    But it’s over now Jon. You are free from the castrating harpy now. In time, your little pair of beta-balls will grow back.

    But for a brief second, when he cheated on her, he was Kate’s Alpha in addition to her cash-machine. The fact that this was the exact opposite of what he wanted to achieve was probably deeply traumatic to him.

    Did I mention women are nuts?

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  188. Whiskey: “Over twenty million people died in the Taipeng Rebellion in the 1850’s — with muzzle loading muskets! At its heart was a fight over women. That’s what it was.”

    Here and I thought it was a fight over a crazy reverend Moon style messiah who said he was Jesus. I think Chinese polygamy is overstated, if that’s your argument. It also had been much more prevalent in the past than it was in 1850.

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  189. Chuck

    I pay attention to people that interest me or that I like Chuck.

    Just do it automatically. Part of who I am.

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  190. Lupo — The fight was about as much a lunatic cult as Atta flying a plane into a building for Allah. Men kill over women. It’s always been so. It always will be so.

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  191. Lucifer’s decision to opt out of “the game” completely and obtain sexual gratification solely through paid escorts becomes more tempting with each passing day. I have nothing but utter contempt for the majority of women that I encounter, and pursuing them has become a major time suck.

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  192. collegeboy: I am living in the now! Right now. Which is the time before roissy releases The Full Frightening Flood of Evil From The Deepest Abyss of The Blackest Part of His Soul Laughing Darkly Darkly Darkly… noooooo.

    Is there no way someone can stop this nightmare? No Hope?

    Tupac: GERE DIDN’T HAVE WHITE HAIR AT SOME POINT?! That shouldn’t be shocking. But it was. I was as puzzled as that woman as to why he/Tupac was suddenly walking off with an elegant blondie (clioooo?)

    That made me forget about the Comig Soon 2-for-1 offer on impending full thickness damage to souls.

    xsplat: Traffic accidents? Real life? Should be stopping to see what I can do. Most likely running away. But yeah. You hope it doesn’t happen. But for some reason you want to see even though knowing it’s unpleasant.

    Doug: I’m afraid he will. I can just picture the very evident evil delight flowing through his evil veins at the thought of savaging her.

    Er, in the bad way.

    Well, anyway, the nature of this shall reveal whether there is any room for romantacising the man at all.

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  193. Corrections to Tupac: That is to say, was so distracted by the hair that I didn’t register what was going on in the clip.

    Also: COMING (teehee) soon 2-for-1 offer.

    Thank God I have gallows humour.

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  194. Whiskey: “The fight was about as much a lunatic cult as Atta flying a plane into a building for Allah.”

    I dunno if I believe in that kind of “did it all for the nookie” reductionism. I mean, why did the Nazis invade France? Why did WW-1 happen? Communist civil wars? Not for nookie, that’s for sure. That’s way too Freudian for my tastes. People fight for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with chooch.

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  195. Lame on this comment moderation stuff. I’ll suffer through it.

    Vladimir,

    “…would a rational man conclude that she’s settling on him as the best male she ever came across… merely as the best one realistically available for permanent commitment after she’s finally realized that… she’s never been more than a run-of-the-mill harem member?”

    I don’t pretend to assume to define rationality in a general light. I would think it would more have to do with his background, his experience with women and the world. It seems to be theorized that most women, when the realize the pump-and-dump that has become their lives, settle for lesser betas because they cannot get an alpha. In this view, if the woman was indeed following your logic as determining the best one realistically available, then she probably landed a beta who would not be smart enough to realize it, and probably, with her experience, she would get him to worship her and follow her every wish.

    I’m more interested, however, in the alternative.

    That a woman who does not need to be in a relationship, who is not looking for a man to provide for her or validate her as a “successful” woman, determines the best male and chooses him if she sees fit, or otherwise stays single.

    There is a massive difference between the two.

    “What you’re describing is an entirely imaginary creature invented by slutty women and liberal sexual ideologues.”

    Possibly. But I like to keep my hopes up.

    In reality, she’s already tasted all there is in terms of passion and excitement, and any man she can realistically expect to commit to her will look like a bland and boring compromise at best. Needless to say, this doesn’t forebode well for how she’s likely to treat him in the future.

    Again, I refer up to my previous statement in this comment. That a woman who needs that validation of success as a woman, who is looking for a provider, will be likely to settle for the one that will have her and provides the best “package” (not a euphemism) available. Sad, but seems to be true.

    But, in that thought, how else to you expect betas to marry, to reproduce?

    Tupac,

    “I think Poetry of Flesh just came.”

    You apparently don’t know me that well, yet. I’m only slightly damp and hardly flushed.

    Mr. Goodbar I have not seen, but I loved the interaction and body language in that clip. I’ll definitely pick it up next time I hit Amoeba. Looks fascinating.

    Lupo,

    “The thing is, we know sluts ain’t loyal, sluts almost never keep house for anyone, no sane man cares about “how well she can communicate,” and all women pick the same couple of men.”

    I tend to find mass generalizations without disclaimers to be a sign of a lack of experience and education. However, I would not accuse you of such.

    However, if those are your parameters for establishing a “slut”, then I suppose I do not entirely fall under that heading and cannot argue with you about the true definition of a slut.

    Communication, I suppose, is not valuable for a lot of men. That’s okay. But I find that, more often than not, it tends to be appreciated when one is able to know oneself enough to tell their partner what they do and do not enjoy, what the do and do not appreciate, as opposed to throwing an emotional tantrum, crying, and having to be spoken to as a child.

    The same couple of men sentiment I cannot speak for. I tend to keep a wide pool available to me because I like the variance and experiencing different lifestyles.

    “I’ve been “judged out of all others to be the one” many times: sometimes after a ridiculously short courtship.”

    It sounds like you’ve been dating inexperienced women. But then, I hear that’s a desired quality in females.

    “As for your inability to understand where morality comes from: it evolved. Duh. The reason for sexual morality was human beings used to die from sleeping around before someone invented antibiotics.”

    Wonderful. Morality evolved as a universal unit to combat the death rate put forth by diseases that we now can combat with antibiotics, testing, and barriers. Looks like we can continue to evolve, maybe throw in some responsibility towards oneself and one’s partner and even some communication skills.

    “Beyond that, as has been pointed out numerous times here, slutty women don’t bond with men.”

    Interesting. I’ll have to take note of that in my future relationships. Maybe do a disclaimer. ‘Sorry guys, I don’t do this whole bonding thing. Too many penises in a lifetime just stops that whole ability to produce emotion.’

    That was an interesting read you provided, even though it focused on marriage being the ultimate female goal, which fairly invalidates it when discussing the “modern woman” who does not necessarily wish to marry.

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  196. on August 20, 2009 at 8:14 pm Black Military Man

    BREAKING NEWS from Nancy Grace:

    Reality TV PUA Ryan Jenkins kills model, stuffs her body in a suit case, throws suit case in trash and absconds to Canada.

    Still on the run.

    And, what da ya know…. he’s also trying to look like Johnny Depp, sound familiar?

    Tune in to The Nancy Grace Show right now for more info.

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  197. Poetry

    which fairly invalidates it when discussing the “modern woman” who does not necessarily wish to marry.

    I occasionally wonder why we shouldn’t put the modern woman back into chains.

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  198. Poetry–

    Also why is it Poetry that you never respond to the few deep questions I’ve had for you at your blog, ones which were clearly aimed at helping you deepen a possibly fruitful relationship. I could be wrong of course but you yourself have admitted they are thought provoking. But then never responded.

    but instead have responded to a few lighter ones, without fail?

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  199. POF:

    The same couple of men sentiment I cannot speak for. I tend to keep a wide pool available to me because I like the variance and experiencing different lifestyles.

    This is what I was referring to earlier concerning female sexual hypergamy offering women the chance to become more worldly. By punching above their weight and sacrificing any kind of commitment or fidelity from the men, the women become veritable “tourists” in the land and lifestyles that they would otherwise only experience vicariously.

    In this way, a pretty slave girl could recieve a lifetime’s worth of “proper grooming” by jumping from aristocrat too aristocrat. In the modern era, she can “tour” the life of a Wall St. type, an outlaw biker type, a bohemian artist type, and politician type. Her social grooming grows exponentially.

    For men? They don’t have that option. They are bound by the circumstances of their birth and can only afford to dedicate all their efforts to ONE path in life. While women like you can swing from tree branch to tree branch.

    Of course, after such a “tour” the psychic distance between the woman and her family/brothers/hometown friends is now VAST…insurmountable. The guys from her old life are just so boring now, they just don’t “get it.” Sooo un-hip.

    Mr. Goodbar I have not seen, but I loved the interaction and body language in that clip. I’ll definitely pick it up next time I hit Amoeba. Looks fascinating.

    Oh please do, please do. You’ll just loooooove the ending…

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  200. ‘Sorry guys, I don’t do this whole bonding thing. Too many penises in a lifetime just stops that whole ability to produce emotion.’

    Seems to me you might be misinterpreting.

    The basic argument seems to be: no man is or can be good enough to bond deeply with after experiencing many men.

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  201. Bhetti:

    Tupac: GERE DIDN’T HAVE WHITE HAIR AT SOME POINT?! That shouldn’t be shocking. But it was. I was as puzzled as that woman as to why he/Tupac was suddenly walking off with an elegant blondie (clioooo?)

    Probably because Gere/Tupac smelled someone’s else’s cock on POF’s breath and decided to bail.

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  202. Too many penises in a lifetime just stops that whole ability to produce emotion.’

    You sound sarcastic when you wrote this…but is it really that hard to understand? Have you not heard about Oxytocin…the bonding hormone?

    Too many penises in a lifetime results in heightened tolerance to Oxytocin…after too many penises in a lifetime, women do in fact become “immune” to the hormones that predispose them to bond with their sexual partner.

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  203. Doug1,

    Because light comments are easy and quick to respond to, but the deeper ones require more time and more thought, so while I can think about them while I’m working or driving, I have to allocate the time to actually respond. That is something I have neglected to do, and I apologize. You did take the time to present ideas and suggestions to me and I did not truly acknowledge them.

    I’m going to be, for all intents and purposes, out of town this weekend, but I will get back to you next week, possibly Sunday night, if I am not too exhausted from the revelry.

    And I am seeing GV8 tonight, and thinking of doing a variation of what you suggested to test the waters. I have to be careful with him because he’s not like other men. He appreciates strength, confidence, and lots of sexual experience in his partners. Showing weakness, even emotional, is a bit of a no-go, the slightest hint of potential emotional entanglement could go poorly.

    I’m sure, if anything significant happens, I’ll blog about it. If nothing notably occurs, I’ll let you know.

    On a lighter note, I get to reacquaint myself with his Sybian. Happy girl.

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  204. From good ol’ Wiki—–the “science” of love:

    Recent studies in neuroscience have indicated that as people fall in love, the brain consistently releases a certain set of chemicals, including pheromones, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin, which act in a manner similar to amphetamines, stimulating the brain’s pleasure center and leading to side effects such as increased heart rate, loss of appetite and sleep, and an intense feeling of excitement. Research has indicated that this stage generally lasts from one and a half to three years.[9]

    Since the lust and attraction stages are both considered temporary, a third stage is needed to account for long-term relationships. Attachment is the bonding that promotes relationships lasting for many years and even decades. Attachment is generally based on commitments such as marriage and children, or on mutual friendship based on things like shared interests. It has been linked to higher levels of the chemicals oxytocin and vasopressin to a greater degree than short-term relationships have.[9]

    The protein molecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF) has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. [10]

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  205. on August 20, 2009 at 8:40 pm Black Military Man

    UPDATE:

    They keep replaying takes from “Megan Wants a Millionaire” which showcase Jenkins’ game.

    Appearantly he also removed her teeth and nails. Let’s hope he did that AFTER he murdered the poor girl. What a psycho.

    First Sodini, now this.

    Tune in to Nancy Grace for more.

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  206. @all – not to go against dogma here re the effects of carousel of cock, but poetry is not a garden-variety slut. sexually active, but also self aware and rather principled in certain ways not associated with that stereotype. so she doesn’t exactly shoehorn into this narrative of an aging slut looking for some beta provider.

    i think the sluts-cannot-ever-love-or-bond thing is overstated. pros, courtesans, sluts, *do* fall and fall hard – yes, usually with alphas who my not want them. but it happens and is a pretty clear counternarrative to the idea that numbness is biochemically foreordained.

    infidelity risk is the real issue there – once the bonding or love fades, other options will be more compelling once the old fires are rekindled for other men.

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  207. To reinforce what Dave from Hawaii was saying…

    This is an excerpt of something I posted on Ferdinand Bardamu’s blog:

    The larger point I’m alluding to here, is that there’s never perfect equality because the sexes operate differently. What works for men doesn’t always work for women. Women tend to be more emotionally involved (even feminist schools of thought espouse this line of thinking), and therefore, when we sleep with men, we have a hard time demarcating the physical act from romantic feelings. Men simply function in a more linear way. We’re biologically hardwired toward those respective proclivities.

    Therefore, it follows that a woman who sleeps with 40 men, is either really callous and hardened to feelings, or extremely fickle and you can expect a divorce down the road.

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  208. Vasopressin?
    WOMAN’S MAGAZINE HEADLINE
    10 Ways You Know It’s Going To Last Forever:

    1. You go to the ladies’ room less often.

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  209. BTW——I wonder if “love” is mentioned much in ancient Mesopotamian cultures (Is it in the Epic of Gilgamesh for instance, I cant remeber), or ancient Sanskrit or whatnot?

    Jacob and Rebecca in the Old Testament was the bible’s first mention of romantic feelings (“and Jacob took great pleasure in Rebecca” or whatever, and waited and labored seven years for her while working for her father, Laban).

    I wonder if the ancients just shared the poon and cock yearly like many animals do. Some female birds have been found to return to the same nest and fuck whatever male bird shows up that year at breeding time. I wonder if our ancestors were kinda the same way—–the women-like elephants, raising the kids in a group, while playing hopscotch with the various cocks night-after-night. Perhaps thats the way they did it in Sodom and Gommorah, before the abrupt ending of that cities New Year’s Eve party anyway.

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  210. Maurice–

    i think the sluts-cannot-ever-love-or-bond thing is overstated. pros, courtesans, sluts, *do* fall and fall hard – yes, usually with alphas who my not want them. but it happens and is a pretty clear counternarrative to the idea that numbness is biochemically foreordained.

    Late in their careers?

    LIke who Maurice?

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  211. Tupac,

    Of course, after such a “tour” the psychic distance between the woman and her family/brothers/hometown friends is now VAST…insurmountable. The guys from her old life are just so boring now, they just don’t “get it.” Sooo un-hip.”

    I suppose that is accurate as to one of the reasons I don’t date, though it has nothing to do with “hipness” or being boring. Hardly. Distance from my family, not so much. They still are the most important part of my life. Hometown friends, still there. Brothers, I have none.

    “Oh please do, please do. You’ll just loooooove the ending…”

    My spider senses are indicating a strong spiteful sarcasm. Simply shocking.

    “Probably because Gere/Tupac smelled someone’s else’s cock on POF’s breath and decided to bail.”

    Oh, come on. I learned years ago to always keep breathmints in my purse next to the condoms.

    Bhetti,

    “The basic argument seems to be: no man is or can be good enough to bond deeply with after experiencing many men.”

    I was being sarcastic, actually. And, yes, you do hit a point where it takes something out of the ordinary to get through to you. But I do not consider that a bad thing at all.

    Dave,

    “Have you not heard about Oxytocin…the bonding hormone?

    “Too many penises in a lifetime results in heightened tolerance to Oxytocin…after too many penises in a lifetime, women do in fact become “immune” to the hormones that predispose them to bond with their sexual partner.”

    I have heard of it. I’ve been lectured on it, actually. No, not in a school setting. Just in various discussions.

    If I remember correctly, Oxytocin is released during orgasm, correct?

    And part of the reason why I did sleep around is so I can become immune, at least to the chemical bonding if not the associations women are raised with when it comes to sex and love. When I do settle, I want it not to be a product of limerance, puppy-love, or chemicals released in my brain, but a conscious choice. Being slave to my emotions is… not appealing, especially when those emotions stem from other people.

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  212. Poetry of Flesh and her feeders made this a very boring thread.

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  213. Maurice–

    I’ve said upthread, or maybe it was yesterday, that I do think that sluts and even prostitutes can “fall” into a kind of love.

    I don’t think it hardly ever involves deep emotional bonding.

    I think it involves making a choice, leaving another life behind for various reasons, finding a good enough man, and just deciding to be loyal.

    Don’t think that happens durably all that often, especially when the slut in question still has younger woman juice still left in her. If she’s really a used up 40 something, then yeah.

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  214. Maurice; Poetry

    Having said all that, Poetry’s strong desired to be deeply sexually and more than just that arena submissive to a worthy man cuts in the other direction.

    Because it seems to be VERY strong and very unresisted.

    Cuts the other way quite a lot actually.

    It’s a good part of why Poetry interests me.

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  215. Doug:

    And part of the reason why I did sleep around is so I can become immune, at least to the chemical bonding if not the associations women are raised with when it comes to sex and love. When I do settle, I want it not to be a product of limerance, puppy-love, or chemicals released in my brain, but a conscious choice. Being slave to my emotions is… not appealing, especially when those emotions stem from other people.

    Does she have it in her? She’s afraid of and mistrusts her own emotions, nevermind an actual male having any sort of real control over her.

    PA: If only you came in capably and redirected the conversation…

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  216. fascinating

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  217. Poetry, that’s a pretty dumb reason to sleep around.

    That’s like saying you should blow a lot of coke, so that when you finally decide to smoke crack, you won’t flip out.

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  218. PA: If only you came in capably and redirected the conversation…

    nahh. out and about today, and just swooping in now

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  219. @doug- didn’t have anyone in mind, was just speaking generally. poetry’s submissive side is actually the most conventional and least interesting thing about her.

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  220. I like the word “swoop” by the way. One of my permanent souvenirs of Roissysphere. I use it frequently.

    My interest was piqued by Auster’s taking notice of Roissy.

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  221. Maurice

    didn’t have anyone in mind, was just speaking generally.

    I put it to you that your “generally” in this case is a crock of feminist influenced shiite.

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  222. PoF: I’m young. And inexperienced. But I’m going to say it anyway. From what I understand, you had a bad experience with your one true love and are terrified of ever feeling Crazy again. That’s fine. The choices you seem to be stuck with are:
    1. Never go into a relationship at all.
    2. Choose to Get Over It and allow Crazy to happen.
    3. Go into a calculated union to a man who has been deemed worthy not emotionally but by some other measure. This means for most things to keep and attract this worthy man (unless this worthy man turns out to have little options or judgement) are going to have to be faked by you to begin with and since that’s how it began, you’re going to end up disliking him. What’s the point? Fear of dying alone?

    You seem to be currently defaulting at one with a possibility of three.

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  223. Technology is the real problem for returning to your stone age world. “Alphas” require clean drinking water, sewage treatment, electricity and healthcare to merely exist. Cut that out of modern civilization and the west will be dead- “alpha” or not. Most of you have no clue how unstable and fragile it is. However unlike past episodes, there is no back. If you fail others will eat your lunch.

    Oh, and there is the whole issue of nukes and biotechnology. A real force multiplier. PS- read a bit about how nukes are secured. Then there is the issue of system coupling..

    Never mind.

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  224. Poetry makes me physically ill.

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  225. PA,

    It wasn’t my intent to derail this thread. I prefer it when things stay on topic. However, these things happen. At least it is not another race debate.

    Please feel encouraged to change the topic.

    Bhetti,

    I’m not afraid of my own emotions. I am, however, very concerned when people cannot control themselves due to emotions, whether love, rage, sadness, or fear. Because of this concern, I try to control and monitor my own, and tackle what I see as weaknesses. Being controlled by love, something that so often causes such damage, because of sexual interaction… no, I will decline that.

    I would rather fall in love, or bond, with someone because of who they are, because of who we are together, and not because of chemicals.

    I don’t find that sentiment overly outrageous.

    Dave,

    While that is a decent comparison, I don’t find it accurate. Crack is damaging and addicting. Love does not have to be. I prefer to have a choice.

    And, it may surprise you to hear, I have no issue bonding with the men I choose. None at all.

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  226. **Huck Finn

    Poetry makes me physically ill.**

    Hipokondriak. That’s not like being ill from a David Disease. It’s an internal muscular projection from your deep down area of fear that your romance doesn’t measure up, and consequently that you are small. And will die.

    People facing war throw up also.

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  227. on August 20, 2009 at 9:22 pm Fast and Bulbous

    PoF is a study. Beneath all the eloquent and repetitive confessional-confabulatory self-absorption lies some genuine sadness and desperation. It almost feels even violative to read her blog, as if one were spectator to a morbid exercise in exhibitionism in which the performer can’t realize what she’s betraying about herself — in spite of herself.

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  228. Bhetti,

    I actually did not have a horrible experience with my one true love. First, I don’t believe in one true love, and second, the one I have bonded with the most… it wasn’t a scarring experience when it ended. I have dated since then, had a loving long-term relationship since then.

    And I have no fear of getting into a relationship now. I’d prefer not to because I’m doing a lot of different things and do not have the time to maintain a healthy relationship, which means I would sacrifice the things I should do for myself for the things I want to do for him.

    I am not looking for a calculated match. I have had enough experience to know what does and does not work for me and I do not feel as though I should get into a relationship with someone that will ultimately end for reasons that are obvious and given. I do not fake emotion, I do not lie, I do not cheat. I do not fear dying alone, or never marrying.

    I do fear being unhappy in a relationship. In tying myself to someone that does not suit me for social pressures to marry and reproduce to be considered successful as a woman.

    I am not driving for a relationship, nor am I driving against one. If I find myself in one, it is okay. If I don’t, it is also okay. I am not measured by the man beside me.

    And I’m really starting to wonder how we got to this topic.

    Anyway, I’m off to a lovely three-day weekend. I hope you all enjoy yours.

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  229. Fast and Bulbous – You may be a wise critic. Do you have some examples of your own life to throw up as examples for us to follow?

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  230. Lupo — War is asking men, to risk being hacked to death, or blown apart, or a bullet through their spine, or other ugly, horrific deaths. Of course it’s all about women. In WWI, the soldiers on both sides (regardless of the cynical manipulations of their leaders) were convinced they were defending their women from the depradations of a debased, semi-human enemy.

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  231. on August 20, 2009 at 9:26 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I would rather fall in love, or bond, with someone because of who they are, because of who we are together, and not because of chemicals.

    I think this is a rather simplified view of the role that Oxytocin plays in the bonding process.

    I doubt it’s a simple matter of you have orgasm, your brain floods with oxy, and boom, you’re bonded.

    Know…I think it’s probably more like the repeated experience of producing the oxy by having long term relations with the same partner over time.

    We all know the human sexual response has many, many triggers. Pheromones, visual stimuli, psychological stimuli, and the millions of kinks that turn one person on while utterly turning another off.

    Perhaps purposely giving yourself a high oxytocin tolerance would make it very hard for you to have enough of it when you intellectually think you’ve found the right guy to settle with. Perhaps not.

    The only thing for sure is that the studies of it show that women who are tightly bonded with their long term partners produce higher levels of oxytocin, while women who do not, have much lower levels.

    So if you use your sexuality for strictly self-gratification, you probably condition your body so that it doesn’t even know ‘how’ to bond – you may be rendering yourself incapable of producing enough oxy to help you bond, even if you do find “the one” on a logical level.

    Because a long term bond is most certainly something that occurs on several different levels…not just an exercise in intellectual logic and rational decision.

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  232. Interesting comment by someone called Expatriot about this blog at Mangan’s (whoever he is) that Auster took notice of:

    The concept of the equality of the sexes plays havoc with this arrangement. While men are no longer publicly acknowledged as superior to women, women still have to view them as superior in some way if they are to be sexually attracted to them. In the early days of sexual equality, when women had not yet become financially independent, there was still the man’s earning power to establish the requisite perception of virility. But nowadays even that’s gone, so the only kind of male power that remains to attract women is of the base, animal kind—on the physical side, brute strength, or on the non-physical side, selfishness, arrogance and social domination.

    But those who qualify as “alphas” by this measure are not necessarily the same as the alphas of times past. This is because now almost all male children are indoctrinated from birth with a feminist-inspired view of sexual relations—an indoctrination designed to suppress and eradicate any masculine behavior and attitudes among boys. The only boys who survive this mis-education with any masculinity intact are precisely the most recalcitrant and intractable—the hyper-masculine, the anti-social, the borderline criminal (and criminal). Behold the new, mutant alphas. Just as over-reliance on antibiotics and overuse of antisepsis in hospitals has given rise to heretofore unknown strains of drug-resistant superbugs, so too feminist efforts to engineer a new, feminized man have resulted in a new breed of hyper-cads. Women may prefer them without their many rough edges, especially the more they get to know them, but they’re the only game in town.

    Now, whatever anyone may think of Roissy and his philosophy, it should be obvious that Roissy is not one of these new mutant hyper-alphas. If he were, he wouldn’t be spending as much time writing his blog (and reading all the comments) as he does gaming women. And if he were, he wouldn’t have all the anger—the rage against pretty lies—that is the real driving force behind his oeuvre. It’s a rage against the miseducation to which he and other men of his generation were subjected. But even more than that, it’s a rage that comes from knowing that lots and lots of women find him sexually irresistible—for all the wrong reasons. I’m sure he would love it if women were attracted to him for his intelligence or his wit or any of the other qualities that women claim to value in men. But he knows that’s not true. For others of us who have had to learn that same lesson the hard way, he’s a kindred spirit, if not necessarily an inspiration, however objectionable his writing may be to those fortunate enough to still be capable of faith in higher things.

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  233. Yup, Whiskey, that’s the difference between you and me.

    You are a tax payer. A hopeful believer in a just and enduring society.

    A warrior, if need be.

    And I just make the best of what I can.

    I don’t pay taxes, and I don’t pay alimony.

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  234. But take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, how well she can please, and that she learned how to please you and only you through experimenting with others, settling on you as the best male she came across, judging you out of all others to be worth being with.

    No, it’s not enough.

    @Poetry –

    This has to do with the very unequal risks associated with “cheating” that men and women respectively run. Only men run the risk of being cuckolded in the sense of investing unwittingly in another man’s offspring due to a cheating wife. Hence the emphasis, for LTR partners, that men place on (relative) chastity.

    I’m sure that some women who have 100 partners when they marry will suddenly and irrevocably switch to happy lifetime monogamy with one man, but seriously … that’s a tall order.

    To use an analogy, if an employer wished to hire someone and her resume indicated that she had been with 40 employers in the last ten years, would it be unreasonable for the employer to not hire her because she was concerned about loyalty and constancy? No, it wouldn’t be. We would think it perfectly justified to have such a concern and to screen out the candidate on that basis alone. The same reasoning applies to a woman’s sexual history when she is being evaluated as a potential LTR/wife.

    Double standard with men? Sure. But women do not run the risk of being cuckolded, only men do.

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  235. More from that Expatiot comment above:

    And if he were, he {Roissy] wouldn’t have all the anger—the rage against pretty lies—that is the real driving force behind his oeuvre. It’s a rage against the miseducation to which he and other men of his generation were subjected.

    That, I understand.

    But even more than that, it’s a rage that comes from knowing that lots and lots of women find him sexually irresistible—for all the wrong reasons. I’m sure he would love it if women were attracted to him for his intelligence or his wit or any of the other qualities that women claim to value in men. But he knows that’s not true.

    This is why commenter Thursday once memorably wrote that success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    It also accounts for David Alexander’s withdrawal, anti-Game convictions, and depression.

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  236. Dave

    Know…I think it’s probably more like the repeated experience of producing the oxy by having long term relations with the same partner over time.

    You mean that Doug doesn’t really love Bhetti?!

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  237. Ridiculous hypocrisy when a massive amount of male attraction is looks-based. Wit/intelligence/personality is more true for women attracted to men than conversely.

    But emotions are ridiculous.

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  238. POF: “But I find that, more often than not, it tends to be appreciated when one is able to know oneself enough to tell their partner what they do and do not enjoy, what the do and do not appreciate, as opposed to throwing an emotional tantrum, crying, and having to be spoken to as a child.”

    Men don’t pay any attention to what women say; not sane men anyway. Men also know how to manage female emotions, or should. If they don’t, they can learn from kind hearted altruists like Roissy. As such, women “who really know how to communicate” are perceived to the rational male mind as, “someone who needs to shut up and get me a beer.” The idea that any man would care at all about female “communication skills” is what most people refer to as “a solipsism.”

    Kind of ironic that you claim to be able to bond with a man, yet you consider yourself uninterested in marriage. Probably somewhere between dong 3 and 10, you lost the ability to actually pair bond with a man forever. If all those were more or less meaningless wieners you impaled yourself on, I might as well be speaking swahili to you: you never bonded with a man in your life and have no idea what I’m talking about. I find that kind of sad. The best you can hope for, for the rest of your life is a proper sweaty rogering, and maybe the type of “love” $20 whores feel towards their pimps, which looks a lot like the Stockholm syndrome to me. Personally, I think that’s kind of sad, but if you want to look at it as “modern,” well, I guess if it makes you feel better.

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  239. xspalt

    You mean that Doug doesn’t really love Bhetti?!

    Of course I love her.

    Her first mission in life is to please me.

    That is very real.

    As are my feelings for her.

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  240. Send her money, Doug. Love is eternal.

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  241. Lupo wrote:

    As such, women “who really know how to communicate” are perceived to the rational male mind as, “someone who needs to shut up and get me a beer.” The idea that any man would care at all about female “communication skills” is what most people refer to as “a solipsism.”

    Really? I always thought that being intelligent (read: distinct from argumentative or difficult) is always better complementary to physical and emotional attraction, of course. At least when you’re speaking in terms of long term engagements. I can’t imagine spending as much time as I do with somebody like a boyfriend, and not having a meaningful discussion or two.

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  242. Oxytocin: The love drug, the cuddle chemical, is now available for sale.
    http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/oxytocin.htm

    Claims are that for stronger and better orgasms (male and female).

    It also “regulate[s] sleep patterns, calms you and contributes to a general sense of well being.” Well good sex will do that for you.

    Love is the drug, get yours today.

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  243. Only Japan came out of the trap of polygamy, and only through ruthless enforcement against traditional polygamy.

    I disagree. In the 1970s, I was living in Japan. The guy who owned the house I was living in owned the house next door, where his mistress lived. Understand, this guy was a dentist, so he was not Mr Average Nihonjin. One day, the dentists’s wife shows up and starts tossing the mistress’s stuff in the street, then the cops show up, one of whom is detailed to make sure your young American Hero (me) doesn’t intervene.

    I didn’t but… The mistress (ni go san or literally Mrs #2) was a) nice and b) hot. The wife was a troll and a bitch.

    Now at the time I was young and single, and hadn’t yet met the one. I was friends (platonic and otherwise) with some of the bar girls in town, and one told me that Mr Dentist was also to be found enjoying the pleasures of her acquaintances.

    It’s always been that way in Japan, and it still is. Men with money and power do OK. For guys, it can be Disneyland, or not. For foreign (i.e. non Japanese) women, my sincere advice is stay home. For foreign guys, it can be paradise, or hell. If a Japanese woman really likes you, it can be paradise. Or the loneliest and coldest place on earth, Siberia included.

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  244. “Lupo — War is asking men, to risk being hacked to death, or blown apart, or a bullet through their spine, or other ugly, horrific deaths. Of course it’s all about women.”

    Whiskey, you’re not making an argument here; you’re just contradicting me. My dad went to war in Vietnam, more or less because he was bored and war is more fun than working. He wasn’t drafted, he volunteered. I almost shipped off to Afghanistan as a contractor myself, because it looked more fun than an office job. Chicks had nothing to do with these decisions; not directly, not indirectly, not at all. Men go to war for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with pussy. We do it to serve our nations, we do it for the veterans benefits or the money, we do it for the hell of it, we do it because all our friends are doing it, we do it to test ourselves, or because we love adventure. Hell, for every man that went to war for pussy, I bet there are 10 who went to war to get away from their nagging wives.

    Similarly, I didn’t decide on a career in physics because it would get me laid. If all I cared about was pussy, I’d move to Estonia and get a job as a professor and fuck all my hot students. But frankly, that would be boring. Pleasant, but dull.

    I hope you don’t get mad at me for busting your chops about this, but maybe you need to go get yourself some chooch if you start seeing it everywhere like Siggie Freud. Freud only came up with his wacky “sex is everything” theory after abstaining from sex for 20 years.

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  245. Doug said:

    I think savaging of Hope would be like kicking kittens across the room. I hope Roissy doesn’t really do it.

    Grabbing his sword and shield (and white keyboard) Default charges in:

    I agree. But didn’t Roissy say something about mistreating a woman’s pet in a previous post? Maybe he does kick kittens across the room.

    Kicking kittens across the room, I can forgive (even if cruel). Attacking the one romantic on this blog, unforgivable (and unneeded).

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  246. Lupo,

    “Freud only came up with his wacky “sex is everything” theory after abstaining from sex for 20 years.”

    Source?

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  247. Doug: You really do care, don’t you, if you’re saying it on here of all places.

    My insane love and obsession over you has been well documented.

    Kisses, ameeri.

    I hope I succeed much more than I fail…
    … anything in my power, love.

    xsplat: Money for what, exactly?

    Def: you’ve got to love modern technology.
    Anyway, pointing out contradictions and so on. That’s perhaps called for due to the challenge (hopefully maybe withdrawn by her). Tolerable.
    But he can be evil.
    Really evil.
    EVIL.

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  248. S“Really? I always thought that being intelligent (read: distinct from argumentative or difficult) is always better complementary to physical and emotional attraction, of course.”

    Funny you confuse “communication skills” with intelligence. Most of the intelligent women I’ve known, women who have proved their actual, measurable intelligence by publishing refereed papers in physics and mathematics -most of ’em weren’t real good at “communication.”

    One of my best friends has a girlfriend who doesn’t speak English. And he don’t really speak her language either. They seem pretty happy together. I joke with him that he’s discovered the ideal woman.

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  249. Huck Finn,

    I can see that you are toying with the dark side..

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  250. Roissy, did you catch this story about a VH1 reality show participant that’s wanted for the murder of his ex-wife, whose body was found stuffed inside of a dumpster on Saturday?

    He was on this show called “Megan Wants a Millionaire” about some contest where some bitch chooses to marry a millionaire. All the guys are regular guy millionaires, and have around low 7 figure fortunes.

    I caught a couple episodes, and all the guys were just absolutely pathetic social retards. They were all lesser betas and omegas. That is except for the serial killer guy. I don’t think he won, but he was the only alpha in the group and he had good game. The correlation between being a killer and an alpha male, one that you’ve highlighted many times, seems to be more than just coincidence.

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  251. dooley,

    people get what they want.. funny thing, most don’t like what they want when they get it.

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  252. It’s always been that way in Japan, and it still is. Men with money and power do OK. For guys, it can be Disneyland, or not. For foreign (i.e. non Japanese) women, my sincere advice is stay home. For foreign guys, it can be paradise, or hell. If a Japanese woman really likes you, it can be paradise. Or the loneliest and coldest place on earth, Siberia included.

    I have only visited and never lived there for an extended period, but this matches my own impressions of Japan pretty well — hell for foreign women, and very much up/down for foreign men. A shame, really, because there are many cute and feminine women there, but one sense as well an abiding darkness just below the surface of the culture.

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  253. Bhetti, other –

    Curious about the concern over Roissy attacking Hope. Yes, Roissy can be cruel and biting. But Hope is a very positive energy person from what I’ve seen. Do you really think she would be affected by it? I think she’d handle an attack well… I’m saying this based on limited exposure to her thoughts and writings, so I concede I could be completely wrong.

    Assuming Roissy doesn’t put information on her real identity out there, is it so harmful? Perhaps Hope will learn something…it’s like free counseling, hey hey 😉

    We all have our issues, our mislogics, or emotional crutches, and the like. Maybe Roissy will help Hope pinpoint what hers are.

    And we all have our natural ups and downs, and I know that personally my opinions vary slightly based on my mood – maybe Hope has done the same and Roissy can spend the time and effort pinpointing those dynamics.

    I don’t think Hope is trying to fool anyone, nor do I think she really puts anyone who disagrees down (though some may find her idealism to be a holier-than-thou attitude). I haven’t read all of her writing again, so could be wrong.

    Hearing the harsh truth from someone far less idealistic, yet highly intelligent and persuasive, person may be a gift. It will challenge Hope and maybe even push her self-awareness and ability to convince others of her viewpoint to the next level.

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  254. dooley,

    people get what they want.. funny thing, most don’t like what they want when they get it.

    Case in point: Roseanne Quinn, upon whose life the novel and movie “Looking For Mr. Goodbar” was based.

    Wiki excerpt:

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    She attended Morris Catholic High School in Denville, New Jersey, graduating in 1962. Her yearbook said that she was “Easy to meet … nice to know”.

    Quinn enrolled in Newark State Teachers College (now Kean University). A classmate said that she had “a terrific sense of humor and was down to earth. She had no phony pretenses. Also, she was very generous. No matter how much she had, if you needed it, she’d share with you.” Quinn graduated in 1966 and soon moved to New York City, teaching for three years in Newark, New Jersey.

    In September 1969, she began teaching at St. Joseph’s School for the Deaf in the Bronx, where she taught a class of eight eight-year-olds. Many times, she voluntarily stayed after school to help them, other teachers recalled. “The students loved her”, a spokesman for the school would later say.

    By May 1972 she had moved to a studio apartment at 253 West 72nd Street. The building had formerly been known as the Hotel West Pierre before being converted to apartments four years earlier. According to her acquaintances and neighbors, Quinn would sit by herself and read at bars on the West Side. One witness would later comment, “Something about her made me want to cry. She could be the most alone-looking person in the world.” Police Captain John M. McMahon, however, would later claim that “She was an affable, outgoing, friendly girl. Her friends were rather diverse. She knew teachers and artists and her circle of friends was a very large, interracial group … [S]he knew an awful lot of people.” One friend who would later speak to the media said that she struck up a conversation with him by revealing that she had been reading his lips and listening to a conversation at the other end of the bar that she couldn’t otherwise have understood.

    Quinn developed a habit of meeting and taking home men who were, as one writer put it, “rough and unattractive… who weren’t her social equal, her mental equal, or her equal at anything.” Her next-door neighbor would hear screams coming from Quinn’s apartment. Once she intervened and saw a man dashing out of Quinn’s apartment yelling obscenities and found Quinn disheveled and bruised, with a black eye, sobbing.

    “What on earth possessed you to bring him up?”, the neighbor asked. Quinn didn’t reply. The neighbor tried to console her, saying “It’s all over now, at least you’ll know better now…” “[A]fter that, it happened a lot,” the neighbor said. “Every two weeks or so… It always sounded like a fight. I guess it was some kind of rough sex. Some people get off on that and she must have had to be raped or kicked around or something to feel any excitement or thrill. But what could we do?”

    Quinn had been attending night courses at Hunter College, and by December 1972 had completed about half of her work towards her masters degree in her specialty of teaching the deaf. Later that month she attended the faculty Christmas party at St. Joseph’s School and a party for the children the next day. “She was a friendly, pleasing personality, not only with the children, but also with the other teachers,” a school spokesperson later said.

    The murder

    On the evening of New Year’s Day, 1973, Quinn went across the street from her apartment to a bar named W. M. Tweeds, where she met John Wayne Wilson and a stock broke, Danny Murray, with whom Wilson was staying. After Murray left around 11:00, Wilson and Quinn went to her apartment, where they smoked marijuana and attempted to have intercourse but, as Wilson would later tell his attorney, he was unable to achieve an erection. She reportedly insulted his manhood and demanded that he leave her apartment and an argument ensued. After a struggle, Wilson picked up a knife and, according to his police statement, Quinn said to him, “Kill me, kill me please.” He stabbed her 18 times in the neck and abdomen, then, finding that during the struggle he had somehow managed to achieve an erection, proceeded to rape her corpse. After inserting a candle into her vagina and smashing a bust of Quinn against her head, he covered her with a bathrobe, showered, and left the apartment.

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    I wonder if Roseann Quinn wanted what she got?

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  255. –Poetry-–

    “…take a woman, who learns how to please and seduce through a variety of men… that knowledge is frowned upon. It does not matter how loyal she is, how well she can keep a house, how well she can communicate, ….

    How exactly does blowing the basket ball team make you a better communicator?

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  256. Lucifer/Satan/Shaitan/Devil/Baal/The Beast/Iblis/The Snake of Eden/The Adversary really lives up to his name(s). He would enjoy the hell* out of any crushing of hope.

    Damnation*, O Alpha of Evil, your job is very easy in these modern times.

    I can see that you are toying with the dark side..

    Something tells me you do awesome Darth Vader impressions.

    * Puns are fun.

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  257. on August 20, 2009 at 10:48 pm Fast and Bulbous

    Lupo doesn’t know shit about Freud:

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555692

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  258. Bhetti,

    I am a humanist and believe in free will.

    You can spend all your energies on finding women “who love you”, gaining their acceptance and trying to keep them.

    Or you can just see it as dining out.. pay bill, eat nice food and leave.

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  259. Nahh.. I am more senator palpatine.

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  260. I am trying to picture you as him.

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  261. lovelysexybeauty

    …Maybe Roissy will help Hope pinpoint what hers are.

    I agree that Hope is probably tough enough to handle Roissy.

    However it you believe Roissy would be trying to help, then you are the idealistic one. Any such attack would be about cheap thrills for Roissy and some of his readers. No minds would be changed but chuckles would be had.

    In any case, it is not as if the dynamic of women falling for violent or abusive men goes undiscussed here. We would not be covering new ground.

    Whatever her faults and whatever her disagreements with the blog, Hope does offer a small bit of sweetness to balance all the vinegar.

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  262. An Hope would probably close her blockquote too.

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  263. [redo of above]

    lovelysexybeauty

    …Maybe Roissy will help Hope pinpoint what hers are.

    I agree that Hope is probably tough enough to handle Roissy.

    However it you believe Roissy would be trying to help then you are the idealistic one. Any such attack would be about cheap thrills for Roissy and some of his readers. No minds would be changed but chuckles would be had.

    In any case, it is not as if the dynamic of women falling for violent or abusive men goes undiscussed here. We would not be covering new ground.

    Whatever her faults and whatever her disagreements with the blog, Hope does offer a small bit of sweetness to balance all the vinegar.

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  264. lsb: cosign what Def said. Although I want to, let’s not romanticise roissy’s motivations which is sadistic amusement. What did he build the chateau for?

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  265. on August 20, 2009 at 11:39 pm Comment_Whatever

    Whiskey said:

    Lupo — War is asking men, to risk being hacked to death, or blown apart, or a bullet through their spine, or other ugly, horrific deaths. Of course it’s all about women. In WWI, the soldiers on both sides (regardless of the cynical manipulations of their leaders) were convinced they were defending their women from the depradations of a debased, semi-human enemy.

    I would like to co-sign whoever said whiskey is wrong for saying women are the only reason men go to war.

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  266. Lupo — For big wars, with a real good possibility of an ugly death, yeah that’s the motivation why guys fight (other than the guy next to them). Check out some of the WWI-WWII posters. Pretty much “defend your sweetie and family from the Hun/Japanese.”

    Guys can “join” for a lot of reasons I’ll certainly agree. But ugly fighting? Flying a plane into a carrier deck or a building? That sure as hell doesn’t happen cause you love the Emperor or binnie.
    ——————–
    Dooley — Oh yeah I caught that. I’d argue women are simply “stupid” at figuring out men without training. Unable to distinguish between Alpha and killer. There was this “Love Boot Camp” on VH1 — with these beautiful women who were pathetic in picking men and self-destructive. One was a DA-nightmare “gold digger” and another a total cougar with delusions. Women desperately need older women as mentors.

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  267. on August 20, 2009 at 11:51 pm Comment_Whatever

    I think the ‘sluts never bond’ theory might be a chicken and egg thing.

    A typical women who has slept with 100 men is the kind that sees nothing wrong with sleeping with 100 guys. That kind of personality is less likely to be loyal… even if she has only slept with three guys. She started out with the attitude that sleeping all over the place was okay. Maybe actually doing it made the attitude WORSE, but it was still there in the beginning.

    Other women, who ill-fate forced into a bad situation, are NOT the kind of personalities that EVER wanted to sleep with 100 guys, and so they may have been made extremely un-trusting, but they ARE perhaps, still able to bond.

    It’s like the ‘everybody talks’ line regarding captured soldiers/rebels/ect. Well, almost everyone who surrenders talks. Those who would, literally, die rather than betray their friends… they, well, die. They don’t surrender. The test of whether they WOULD talk if tortured never happens because the capture never happens in the first place. They know they know something important, they point their gun at the enemy, and start firing. Only under a unique situation would these people actually be captured.

    The same goes for women who are likely to be loyal. Sure, it is POSSIBLE for a situation to arise where one of these women reaches 100 partners. In fact, such situations do happen. But the vast majority of women who have reached 100 are those who are not in fact likely to be loyal to their latest ‘only love’.

    And that’s at least part of it.

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  268. Women desperately need older women as mentors.

    But the older women (40-60) are the level worst for advice. This is the hardcore generation of feminism: women who are now 60 were born in 49, meaning they were in their 20s from 69-79: ground zero of the social revolution. Women who were my age (42) were in the 20s from 87-97, so basically you’re dealing with a group of potential mentors who came of age from 69-97. That’s clearly the most vile and faithless and worthless generation of women who have ever lived. They are in no position to mentor younger generations of women on anything other than liberation, and that is *precisely* the message that the female younglings have received. So I do think there has been mentoring taking place, W. It’s just that you have to realize who the bloody mentors are, and what generation they are from.

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  269. Gotta confess I love seeing Default’s avi in the queue! Now time to read up.

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  270. on August 21, 2009 at 12:04 am Comment_Whatever

    Novaseeker, whiskey just wishes his momma and her friends could order some girl to marry him.

    Honestly, whiskey REALLY REALLY needs to stop talking to his mother as much as he does.

    It’s good or bad, depending on the mother, for a woman to talk to her mother. It is almost ALWAYS a bad thing for a man to have as ‘close’ a relationship with his mother as whiskey does. It is, I have no doubt, no small reason for his problems.

    Whiskey, do you have a brother that hates your mother? Does he clean up with the ladies?

    Just wanting to see if a common pattern holds true.

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  271. Novaseeker:

    Polyandry is the way of the future.

    It can work, but the husbands have to be brothers. Virtually all existing polyandry is fraternal. That way the husbands are all at least uncles to any children. Unrelated husbands are probably not going to get along. Non-fraternal polyandry would not be analogous to polygyny at all, where all wives can be sure of their motherhood, but rather likely cuckoldry. In that case I might still go along with polyandry if that is the only way to get a woman as long as we agreed to paternity testing and impregnating the wife in turn. Otherwise I would fight for a wife of my own.

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  272. Nova, I’m trying to become part of the trendsetter team that determines the uniform for the next generation of Big Mamas. Granted, from the moderate carb and natural fats thing, we might not end up being very big barring knee injuries from doing stuff we ought not be doing at our ages, but still…there’s got to be some consistent way to distinguish us from the cougars.

    Maybe a ban on cleavage before 10pm over age 35?

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  273. Maybe a ban on cleavage before 10pm over age 35?

    @ Nicole — If you want to distinguish yourselves from the cougars, its much easier than changing wardrobes. Older women can very easily, and you know this, make themselves very unavailable to younger men. It has ever been thus. What has created the Cougar phenomenon has been shifting that so that older women are now available to younger men — and of course younger men will avail themselves of the availability, because sexual availability is, in itself, to many men, worth 1 or 2 points on the scale at least.

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  274. Arpagus, from what I’ve seen of secular polyandry, it works best with a relatively dominant woman and a group of two or more submissive men who may not actually be brothers, but have that kind of sentimental attachment.

    It also comes out in discussion groups that it arises partly due to a scarcity of mothering/nurturing type women. One reason I find it interesting is because I’ve been in situations that could be described as polyandrous since I was in Israel, and it is exactly because of a scarcity of mothering/nurturing type women who aren’t interested in taking a man’s money and dignity.

    How it happens is that I date or consider dating a guy for awhile, and it doesn’t work out because of social pressure from his end. Some time passes, and he realizes what he lost or flaked out on, so he comes back. He doesn’t believe my anti backtracking policy, so he joins a kind of loosely tied flock of admirers.

    These admirers are a mixed bunch. Some are married already, some are still single and searching for the mystical cooking-cleaning-sex-machine she-orc who is like me but younger or like me and the right ethnicity, but I get regular calls from them praising the trinity of thwarted fates, Shoulda, Coulda, and Woulda.

    Now, awhile ago, I wasn’t as solid in my resolve as I am today. If I’d already done a guy while we were dating, I figured there was no harm in doing it for old time’s sake provided they understood I was never going to let them back into my heart as more than an FWB. These became my bitches who, around twice a year when I needed to do something for my health, I’d tap to keep myself from becoming more ill tempered than I already am.

    Because this only happened a couple of times a year or less, I would have to manage them, and even gave them game tips so they could more easily find other things to do when I wasn’t interested (which was most of the time).

    Technically though, there were usually three men in my stable, with some others waiting for the day I was desperate enough to share with the whores they married.

    Then I aged and probably matured a bit, and got to a point where I don’t care if I see another dick in my life…and then miraculously, I got a boyfriend. Now two of the former bitches have upped the ante. One claims that he doesn’t care if he has to share me because he considers it his punishment for having let me go. The other is now trying to get me to let him buy me a house where I can be his kept woman.

    Eh…no.

    My situation is not unique though. It’s what happens when there are stray rejected wifely types wandering around free in a world where men seem to be into marrying hoes. Women capable of partnership are appealing to some men due to their actual innocence or a kind of innocence through acceptance. It’s like an acceptance that they’re untrendy and unlucky, and being okay with that, and not running around trying to screw every guy in town.

    Maybe guys can somehow smell the oxytocin or something. LOL!

    Either way, this is how most polyandry that is happy and didn’t happen because the woman decided on purpose to go out there and seek alternative wang, happens. She’s juggling bitches or both brothers/friends choose the same woman in a situation where a good woman is *incredibly* hard to find.

    Happy polyandries are very rare though. It’s not something that I would actually recommend, but I do see as a lesser evil than being tied to a hoe. Better an honest slut than a deceptive hoe.

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  275. on August 21, 2009 at 12:46 am Virginia Gentleman

    Alan Roebuck:

    A reader at VFR mentioned that nobody’s remaining behind on board a dying White Star liner for the modern woman. I heartily agree. Let me expound from that introductory comment:

    Posit for the sake of argument that there were two broad types of men on board, those who survived by choice and those who did not. Bruce Ismay, managing director of the White Star Line, survived in a lifeboat. His reputation never recovered and, according to the Wikipedia article, he was damned for cowardice and ostracized by London society. (Set aside any factual inquiries into Ismay’s decision; the point I’m making is that opprobrium was heaped upon him.)

    Conversely, consider the examples of John B. Thayer or Benjamin Guggenheim. They didn’t board a lifeboat and perished according to the supposed morals of the era, i.e. women and children first. It seems that history judges them as gentlemen who were noble and honorable.

    Consider an RMS Titanic set in the modern era. The sacrifices of Messrs. Thayer and Guggenheim would probably be the subject of mockery and/or ridicule. “Polite society”, or what passes for it these days, would excuse Ismay’s actions—he’s rich and he’s alive, so he can overwhelm whoever dares to stand against him. The four aging relics of SATC fame would eagerly take the seats not filled by a Thayer or Guggenheim and fall all over Ismay for his wealth, position and ability to survive. I doubt they’d have more than a fleeting thought that a honorable man died that they might live.

    With that scenario in mind, there’s absolutely no way I’m giving up a seat on the lifeboats. The SATC Quartet—with the possible exception of Kristin Davis—will be politely informed of a swimming class forming at the stern, with insulated swimwear a plus.

    Is this somewhat ruthless and/or savage, even uncivilized? Perhaps. You see, the sacrifice is meaningless—I have no intention of giving my life so that Carrie Bradshaw might live. I want the John B. Thayers of the world to survive and step off at the Chelsea Piers; if the Carrie Bradshaws or Bruce Ismays of the modern world are recovered by the Mackay-Bennett, then so much the better.

    We’ve seen the end results of Edwardian chivalry before, and it has been arguably disastrous. Wasn’t it someone at the National Review who argued the point that the reason the West went into serious decline after the Great War was that all the good men who could be counted on to preserve and protect civilization had been lost on the Western Front, that all we really had left were the misfits and malingerers to set the tone for the 1920s?

    Oddly enough, this particular blog and VFR are both first-of-the-morning reads. I’d rather have, and live in, a society ordered around the general principles that I think Auster espouses, certainly more than what we have now. That doesn’t mean, however, that I’m interested in unilateral disarmament against a hostile and unpleasant culture.

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  276. Bhetti advised Hope not to watch what’s coming she said “I could barely deal with the horror of the LR spectacle and she was seemingly okay with it. That was horrifying. This will be ten times the horror.”

    I remember the morning of Is LR in this Porn and thought if I were waking up to that and it was about me I’d vomit. I believe I stayed by my computer all day waiting for LR to comment. When she didn’t I got really worried about her, wondering if she had hurt herself because of the shame. Nope – still kicking and screaming around here. But Hope you don’t seem to have the stomach for it, are you sure you want the expose?

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  277. I’d rather have, and live in, a society ordered around the general principles that I think Auster espouses, certainly more than what we have now. That doesn’t mean, however, that I’m interested in unilateral disarmament against a hostile and unpleasant culture.

    This is understandable, but the problem I have with the conservatives is that they offer no plausible solution as to how to get there from here. None. Educating men in the churches to be more masculine (as was suggested at Auster’s earlier today, to his approval)? Good luck with that, given that everyone knows that the churches are largely emptying of men for many of the same reasons — feminized churches.

    Conservatives have their hearts in the right place on many of these issues, but they have no real solutions for the men who are living today, for how they should deal with their lives today and interact with the culture today. That’s their grave weakness and the reason why someone like Roissy has ultimately more influence than someone like Auster in terms of impact on lives.

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  278. Whiskey “But ugly fighting? Flying a plane into a carrier deck or a building? That sure as hell doesn’t happen cause you love the Emperor or binnie.”

    My dad didn’t volunteer for the boy scouts: it was Vietnam, infantry. Many homosexuals also enjoy warfare; they don’t do it for the pussy either -nor do they do it for the chance of a trench groping. Women and sex are overrated as motivations for anything, particularly war. People are a lot more than animated genital organs, despite the subject of this blog.

    Confusing propaganda designed to appeal to a 19 year old with reality is wrong-headed, but even there your idea fails. Most of it is designed to appeal to pride and glory, not, “ooo noes, your best girl might have to date a Kraut-eater.”

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  279. on August 21, 2009 at 1:03 am Cannon's Canon

    I’m banging my fork and knife on the dinner table. Feed me a Hope souffle! Perhaps some fava beans and a nice chianti too, all that good shit. Gung-ho like Leroy, er, Ryan Jenkins.

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  280. “Bill Clinton, considered by most pundits on both sides of the aisle to be arguably among thee smartest politicians in American history-w/a Rhodes scholarship to back that up-”

    You have to get good grades to get a Rhodes scholarship, but unless you have a bug up your butt to get someone to pay for you to go to school in Oxford, I don’t see the point – especially if you’re not seeking a career in public service. I got straight A’s my first 2.5 years in college and considered it, and even applied and got nearly to the end but I decided it would be too cumbersome to go through with it because I was doing more interesting things. I was also a bit leery of accepting money from DeBeers – in fact DeBeers is second only to feminist man-hating divorce laws in extracting money from the beta man.

    I’m not sure I believe that Clinton was exceptionally smart. Clinton was exceptionally _articulate_ and _crafty_ to be sure. He was quite clever in dodging the draft and getting into the pants of Walter Mondale’s daughter while banging Lewinski. But I think nearly all of our modern presidents were pretty smart. W was actually not that dumb (don’t forget he probably outscored 80% of the readership here on his ACT) but was extraordinarily inarticulate for a president. Ditto for GB1, who was quite smart. Reagan was extraordinary… before being president. Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Ike, Obamma’s were smart. Love them or hate them, it is fun to pretend that our modern presidents are stupid. But they are not.

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  281. flmao

    cannon yer killin me

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  282. Tupac I know your heart is with Clio but just wanted to mention I get compared to Diane Keaton a fair bit in the looks dept. I’ve never really liked the comparison, I don’t think she’s a looker. I think we get compared because our cheekbones are similar and I’m kind of whacky like her character in some of the movies she plays.

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  283. Nicole,

    I don’t doubt it can happen like that occasionally. What the anthropologists describe as polyandry, though, as a social institution, pretty much requires it to be fraternal, from what I’ve read. Most men aren’t into more dominant women, I think, or fetishes, and I am talking about an alternative to traditional monogamous or polygynous marriage.

    Your having several admirers is not quite the same thing, especially when the men are married already. That happens under any arrangement and is called marital infidelity.

    I am trying to learn more about polyandry and can really only find negative studies so far, such as:

    Tibetan Fraternal Polyandry: A Test of Sociobiological Theory
    Authors: Cynthia M. Beall and Melvyn C. Goldstein
    Source: American Anthropologist, New Series, Vol. 83, No. 1 (Mar., 1981), pp. 5-12
    Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of the American Anthropological Association
    Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/675580

    Abstract
    This paper tests sociobiological hypotheses regarding the way practitioners of fraternal polyandry in a Tibetan population in Nepal may enhance their inclusive fitness. Demographic data demonstrate higher mortality and lower survivorship of offspring in fraternal polyandry than monogamy. Moreover, the probability of allele transmission for an ego is lower in fraternal polyandrous unions than in monogamous unions. On the basis of the measured parameters, Tibetan fraternal polyandry does not appear to enhance the fitness of individuals who practice it and, in fact, seems to entail substantial reproductive sacrifice.

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  284. Aoefe, I would personally not like to see Roissy have another such shameful outburst.

    It seemed to me that the post was a kind of venting of his true feelings towards the women he pumps and dumps. In that way, it was revealing, but more of himself than of her.

    In order to be okay with being disposable, a woman has to tell herself basically that she doesn’t need men for much aside of sex and beer company…and indeed it may be true.

    What Roissy doesn’t seem to get though is that like us all, Rain will age, and she’ll maybe have a year or two of mourning becoming sexually invisible to the general public…but after that, the general public will become sexually invisible to her.

    I was a sexually supercharged woman at 30, but pushing on 40, I’m looking forward to being a sweet old lady nobody wants to pump and dump.

    The main thing that lends credence to the more partners = less bonding to me, is that I think the most screwed up I ever got was when the first guy I dreamed of growing old with, flaked out on me. From there, the rest just kind of blurs together with a few fascinating anthropological notes here and there.

    When the dream has died, it’s dead. It can be a mild hope after that, but not something you are ever sure about again.

    I don’t see the point in bashing a woman whose dream died, when dead dreams are how most guys get laid in the pump and dump scene.

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  285. On polygamy…

    I’m at a point in my life where I think it would just make sense for me to have at least one additional wife and probably two. I want to have more kids and I think it would be great to have that taken care of as well as have 3x as much sex because that would match my needs better.

    There’s little doubt that my wife would be happy with this if there wasn’t a social stigma about it (she’s even said as much). And there are also many fine women that would clearly accept being the younger wife. I know several decent women that are clearly looking to have their eggs seeded but they are unhappy with their man options.

    And you know, wouldn’t it be great to have decent women reproduce a lot during there reproductive prime with someone that’s _NOT_ a thuggish looser.

    It makes eugenical sense.

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  286. “That’s their grave weakness and the reason why someone like Roissy has ultimately more influence than someone like Auster in terms of impact on lives.”

    Roissy also has more than twice the traffic/reach according to Alexa.

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  287. Tupac and Clio
    Doug and Bhetti
    Epoxy and LILGRL
    Lurker and Mandy
    A.J. Travis and me (S.)
    Aoefe and… DA?!

    This blog is a matchmaking service.

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  288. Naturally, aoefe has to be stated first in her pairing with DA. Since she’s relatively dominant.

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  289. Arpagus, institutionalized polyandry can never work without convincing men they don’t really need or deserve to have a woman to themselves despite their character. Any kind of institution that doesn’t take human nature into account is ultimately doomed when better competition comes along.

    Many traditionally polyandrous tribes are losing their stock of willing participants, not to Chinese culture, but to Christianity. Polyandry might have worked very well when husbands were likely to fall off a mountain or freeze to death regularly, and women were dying in childbirth often, but it’s not like that anymore. Many are opting for a system that doesn’t render them expendable.

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  290. on August 21, 2009 at 1:35 am The Fifth Horesman

    Novaseeker is right.

    Many of us would prefer a socially conservative society. I, personally, think that America in the 1980s was the best it ever got, as the quality of society was better and more properly balanced than at any other time before or since.

    The problem with social conservatives is that they think that empty sermonizing about ‘Christian values’ and the ‘sanctity of marriage’ is enough against the legal/judicial machinery of the divorce industry, and the constant anti-male media message. In reality, the SocialCon sermonizing is a pea shooter against steel.

    Far more drastic countering measures are needed. Game is one, and the best possible choice.

    Just 3 years ago, I thought the worst threat in the world was Islamic infiltration into the West, where they start practicing their own laws rather than follow US or British laws. Now, just 3 years later, I have gone so far as to say I will support Islamic encroachment into the West as long as they fight feminists and gay radicals exclusively, and keep the violence down (or at least selective rather than indiscriminate).

    That is how far misandry has gone – that people would actually change sides on the Islam issue. Why? Because when the injustice is so extreme (as in the case of misandry and divorce courts), that people will support ANYTHING that can strike back. Anything, including Islam.

    Feminists have no idea how much goodwill they have squandered in their mad power trip, and how severe the backlash against them will be.

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  291. aoefe:

    Tupac I know your heart is with Clio

    Wrong. I no longer have a heart.

    but just wanted to mention I get compared to Diane Keaton a fair bit in the looks dept.

    I can see that.

    Although Keaton reminds me more of Clio. Actually, any auburn-haired actress from the 70’s with her hair in that flat to-the-sides style reminds me of Clio.

    Especially when they wear sweaters.

    I’ve never really liked the comparison, I don’t think she’s a looker.

    She was good in her prime. A decent admixture of intelligence and femininity, although I’ve seen better.

    I think we get compared because our cheekbones are similar and I’m kind of whacky like her character in some of the movies she plays.

    That could be hot…

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  292. S. – lol. Tru dat – with DA I’ve had to take the lead. But never in my wildest (saddest?) dreams did I imagine I’d be paired with DA on this blog. Nor that I had to sacrifice my submissiveness for this most noble purpose. But such is the life of a giver. 😉

    @Nicole “When the dream has died, it’s dead. It can be a mild hope after that, but not something you are ever sure about again.”

    Really? That sounds very depressing. 😦

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  293. @Tupac “That could be hot…”

    Trust me.

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  294. Re: Hope –

    MY thang is…

    Hope talks a good game. Beautiful ideals. A wondrous vision of a possibile future where human peculiarities are transcended. Lovely.

    I’ll start listening when the day I begin hearing that message from women who are hot and sexual.

    Until then, it’s just whistling in the dark…

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  295. Aoefe, it is depressing, and it should be. This is why my daughter’s dads and I always told her the truth, including how we got screwed up…age appropriately of course.

    We hope she doesn’t get ground up in the pussy mill, and we and her grandparents have our eye out for potential prospects. My first ex is in a good position for this because his job is in the field with the most likely best candidates for her.

    I hope that when she’s 18-20, a strong man with some damned sense between 25-30 finds her realistic innocence charming, and her expertise in animal care something worth nurturing. I’ll gladly care for the grandchildren while she’s in school and he’s at work.

    If things don’t work out that way, I’m prepared for that too. If her dream dies, she won’t be out there alone getting her head filled with anti reality crap like I was.

    So depressing as the situation around us may be, we’re survivors and manage to be happy in spite of things. It’s a challenge, and stuff happens, but so long as you’re steady with yourself, you’re good.

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  296. Ghost of Nicole,

    How old is your daughter now?

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  297. Tupac says, “I’ll start listening when the day I begin hearing that message from women who are hot and sexual.”

    You may as well get your earplugs then. The conflict between Oshun and Oba is as old as humanity itself.

    Oya is the ideal balance between the two, and she had to fight like a man to achieve it.

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  298. Nicole did you mean to add and s to dad? Or does your daughter have more than one dad? Cuz that alone is enough to screw with her head don’t you think? Not to say there can’t be healthy step parenting but I think its rare. You can’t direct the wind no more than you can direct your daughters life. Sure you can have a value system for her to rest her weary head on down the road but you can’t stop her from making her own mistakes. The world would be a different place if our parents had been able to teach us by their own. We NEED to try these things for ourselves, we need to fall in order to get back up. Prepare yourself for her eventual break from your way. Have you considered that what you’ve found to be true is only your version of truth? That anti reality crap you talk about is someone else’s reality – and she may find it to be her truth. Love her inspite of what she does not because of it. Unconditional is nigh near impossible – but reach for it.

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  299. Nicole,

    Arpagus, institutionalized polyandry can never work without convincing men they don’t really need or deserve to have a woman to themselves despite their character.

    Agreed, except under certain highly unusual circumstances. Polyandry might have worked very well when husbands were likely to fall off a mountain or freeze to death regularly, and women were dying in childbirth often. These circumstances do take human nature into account, but we don’t want this to happen.

    I’m happy for you that you found a boyfriend. I read your blog about it too, and saw your picture which is attractive despite what people say here. I just don’t like your extreme anti-sex attitude (is that really how you got him?) and hope women don’t listen to you about that. The last thing we need is women becoming even more difficult.

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  300. S, she’s almost 16. At the moment, she’s out volunteering. They found a way around the usual policies, and let her start at 15 because she’s not really a kid.

    In my family, there’s no such thing as a teenager really. They experimented on my generation, and it went terribly (as you can tell from the story of my life). So my generation reverted, and have gone old fashioned that way. When our kids are able to reproduce, they’re expected to behave like adults, because they’re dealing with adult levels of responsibility. Their brains may not be done developing, but that’s all the more reason to develop them in the right direction.

    Extending childhood runs against their biology, and creates drama and conflicts that shouldn’t be there.

    So as not to dump too much on them at once, we do it in a way of adult life in the context of their level of experience and need for education. My daughter behaves like a student who doesn’t feel like screwing up her life. The problem is of course that her peers are not usually at her level. The only ones I know who are, are Polish. I chuckle as I say that because my second ex is of Polish descent.

    The culture seems to have the exact right combination of non teenagedness, realism about the biological clock, and fierce love of education.

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  301. (Sorry if this is a double post. I think WP burped or something.)

    Aoefe, yes my daughter has two dads. There’s my first husband, and my second husband, both of whom are basically good men, but both with issues that made us terribly incompatible in crucial ways. I would still be with husband #1, and might even return to him, if he got over his preference for what I’m coming to believe are harpies. I thought it was hoes, but from the last couple of girlfriends, it seems to go deeper than that.

    Husband #2 was a fetishist, and aged out of normal.

    We’re all three of us, very realistic people, but we understand that we’re making the best of a screwed up situation. It’s okay, but we’d rather my daughter not be as aimless as we were.

    So we love her no matter what, but we’re just not going to lie to her about the fact that she’s mortal, female, and from a long line of intelligent but romantic people who need compatible partners. No matter what goes wrong, things won’t completely collapse so long as everybody does their best and stays real with themselves. I think we’ve proven that to her…despite whatever imperfections we have, we’re doing much better than we would in denial.

    Arpagus, I’m not anti sex. What I am is anti male-as-predator idea of sex. Males aren’t generally trying to eat women. They’re trying to mate with them. If women view themselves as victims, and men view themselves as predators, there is no such thing as “free love”.

    The people who want to get married and make families should go on and do that in a timely manner. The people who don’t should not be trying to screw each other any way but genitally. That’s my whole reason for advising women who would like long term relationships to keep their legs closed.

    If they do otherwise, they’re going to feel like victims because they’re not built for that. They’re making willing victims of themselves, but it leads to resentment against men, aside of hatred of themselves for acting against their interests and instincts.

    Non committal sex should be left to the women who enjoy that. There are enough people who enjoy that, I think, that the rest of us wouldn’t be missed.

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  302. Nicole,

    I’m not anti sex. What I am is anti male-as-predator idea of sex. Males aren’t generally trying to eat women. They’re trying to mate with them. If women view themselves as victims, and men view themselves as predators, there is no such thing as “free love”….

    When you put it like that, I totally agree.

    Non committal sex should be left to the women who enjoy that. There are enough people who enjoy that, I think, that the rest of us wouldn’t be missed.

    I don’t know about that — men never get enough sex with non-committal women — but I for one will not miss the sluts if I can have a real girlfriend.

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  303. An Auster Comment with some validitity:

    The forces that shaped today’s “beta” males

    Richard P. writes:

    “In reading through the comments in the “Libertinism and liberalism” thread, I found myself baffled. Many of them struck me as if we, in 1945, were debating why airplanes were burning down Japanese cities without knowing of the previous three years of war and with only vague theories as to the origin of the planes. Then this comment of yours clarified things for me.

    … the Roissyites will reply to Kristor, as they have to me, that he is hopelessly out of touch with the reality that younger men are actually dealing with, and that men over 40 or 50 have no conception of what younger women today are like.

    There is a generation gap in perception here, and it is huge. The talk about feminism and the use of political correctness to enforce it almost assumes that it has existed on a steady continuum for many years. This is not true. There was a far worse PC reign of terror in the early nineties that has impressed itself into the psyche of Gen-X males in much the same way that Vietnam affected the outlook of baby boomers.
    Think about the beginning–the Clarence Thomas hearings. He was accused of repeating things seen in X-Rated movies and of asking “Who put a pubic hair on my Coke?.” Now, post-Monica Lewinsky such things seem pretty mild–amusing even. But there was outrage at the time. The left took it to be a “teachable moment” and the shockwaves lasted for several years. Businesses, colleges, and high schools began widespread indoctrination programs to enforce this new PC at all costs. Relations between the sexes in these places had been governed by general rules of decorum and common sense. Almost overnight that was gone. There was one new rule–if a woman felt “offended” then the man had committed an offense.

    Colleges instituted Orwellian speech and behavior codes. Old ideas of courtship were thrown out. Dating was now subject to strict rules, always giving the benefit of the doubt to the woman. A regretted dalliance could now become “date rape” and end in prison. “Women don’t lie about rape,” we were told constantly. Public schools likewise came down harshly on any male behavior that could “cause offense.” You could be expelled for merely telling a girl she looked nice. The workplace was no better. Careers could be ruined quickly by an EEOC complaint, regardless of merit.

    Unfortunately, many women took this as an opportunity for revenge on any man who had ever annoyed them or interrupted their career path. I saw this in my own workplace. One sexual harassment complaint set off a chain reaction that created dozens and dozens more. They were all taken with extreme seriousness because of the fear of federal sanctions and lawsuits. I saw one colleague suspended for a week because a female coworker “didn’t like the way he looked at her once.” The HR manager all but admitted to him that it was bogus, but said that he had to take action to avoid a lawsuit or worse.

    To men older than their mid ’30s during this time, it seemed a bizarre anomaly that eventually blew over. To the younger of us in our teens and twenties though, it was deeply impactful. It often created outright fear in any dealings with the opposite sex. A large proportion of them began to treat women with unusual deference and meekness. They apologized for any perceived slight unthinkingly. They asked permission of the women around them for any action, even actions that didn’t involve those women.

    These are Roissy’s “Betas.”

    What the “gamers” understand, and what men naturally understood for most of human history, is that women are naturally attracted to men who are dominant. Women flock to men with a “command presence” like moths to a flame. Many, maybe even most, of the men who grew up during this era cannot even begin to project dominance. They don’t know how. At the very point when most societies would have been teaching them to be men, they were instead TERRORIZED INTO BEING SUBMISSIVE TO WOMEN. And they saw the men above them in society submit as well.

    I understand the repulsion many here feel toward Roissy, but let’s remember that libertines have been with us since the creation. He is nothing new. But I also think that dismissing Alphas as “cads” or urging Betas to take up celibacy for the greater good does us or them no favors. Using Roissy’s amorality as an excuse not to understand fully the world as it is, leaves us where we are. Instead, we need to find a way to teach these men to be men again.

    Z again:

    I was in college in the early 90s’. I remember the atmosphere. It was MUCH MUCH worse than now. THIS is when men started walking around women on eggshells, and became kinda afraid to deal with them if “she” raised her voice or expressed disdain in any way. “Get away from her” became a default mechanism, which is the natural result of you having to deal with anyone whose mere false accusation could send your academic (and concurrently your financial and personal life chances) into downward free-fall via the schools officers.

    When these same men graduated out to the bars and clubs, they -did- retain some of this fear. They had been told endlessly (indoctrination in school) about how to approach only the women who had practically sent them an engraved invitation, how they had to walk on eggshells and NEVER insult her in any way, or it was practically harrassement, hate speech, or ****Verbal Assault****.
    For men who have had to work in a Politically Correct workplace, and have had to endure (like me) four or five mandatory group “awareness sessions” in front of the entire workforce in which the employees are all lectured in full view of everyone on how awful men are and how mere looks can be sexual harrassement, its easy to start reconsidering one’s behavior outside their job, and see their natural easy-going attitude replaced by “legal-thinking” all the time when dealing with females, who now can dial a phone number, makes some bogus charges, and cost you a shitload of money, get you arrested, and have the awesome social power of the state ruin your good reputation.

    Auster’s commenter is right about much here.

    As Ive bleated about endlessly on this blog: Its the laws folks. Men aren’t physically afraid of women naturally, and they are NOT timid around women naturally. But the state is so weighted in their side that any and every transaction with females can end very badly for men, so men tread lightly around them, which is very unnattractive. No men wants to be tasered on the next episode of “COPS” or “Americas Most Wanted”.

    Did any of you know that you can indeed be arrested in some juristictions for mere “verbal” assault? Can we reasonably expect men to “be themselves” around any person who can accuse them of something like that?

    I think Marxist scum came up with these hysterias because the collapse of the western birthrate was the intent all along. Just my opinion.

    You see a lot of men of my of this vintage who took up “masculine replacement-behaviors” like bodybuilding or just pumping iron (Ive done that myself), or got into mascline hobbies like watching NASCAR, different kinds of fighting, martial arts (Ive done that one for a while too), extreme water-skiiing, fast-boating, motorcycles, having large dogs as pets, extreme sports, car-enthusiasm and endless-other-masculine hobbies that act as a steam vent.

    90% of men would be fine out there in meeting the ladies if they could just relax and talk to the females like they would any male-co-worker who they didn’t harbor any residual fear of, but as things are……………………they usually are going to feel awkward and a bit nervous about a being that they see as intellectually inferior, entitled, bitchy and preachy. Not a forumula for romance.

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  304. I simply love those drawings! Keep up the good work!

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  305. I forgot to mention that there is pressure to slut it up. We get a constant barrage of propaganda geared towards making us believe that being sexy is the most important thing in our lives. It’s why people are dressing their daughters like junior hoes, and dressing like the seniors’ division of street cornerdom in their 30’s and beyond.

    We’re told that if we don’t give it up, we’ll become irrelevant to everyone except deeply religious guys. We see guys around us actually falling for the hoes, and in some places still falling into the pregnancy trap. Then they want to stay married to their hoes and do decent girls who don’t try to emotionally castrate them on the side.

    Things are backwards. Not being a cougar is my way of making sure my little corner isn’t.

    This is one of the things my current boyfriend says attracted him to me…that I wasn’t stuck up, but I also act my age and not like a desperate woman who can’t say no. I’m sassy, but not slutty.

    It’s too early to tell whether it’ll last, but thank you, Arpagus, for the well wishes. My competition is his ex wife who screwed up terribly but wants him back and has now become insanely jealous and destructive since she found out about me, and a couple of girls in their mid 20’s who seem to have only been friends with his sister in order to get closer to him. It’s gonna be interesting.

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  306. Ghost of Nicole,

    Do you have no perspective, objectivity or reason. Never mind..

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  307. I agree Markku,
    It’s the little touches that really set the drawings off.

    The in full color, proud manhood.
    The crown that symbolizes a king ruling over his harem.
    And my favorite, a self satisfied shit eating grin.

    Two Americas indeed.

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  308. Lucifer, objectivity is for people who aren’t invested. I’m not boring enough to opt for a quiet, comfortable life of vibrators and cats if I don’t have to.

    Besides, I’m curious as to whether or not one of the 20something chicks is going to suddenly become bisexual.

    Heheheheh…

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  309. Incidentally every western state has a clause in the state statute against polygamy because of Mormonism.

    There should be federal law against those parasites.

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  310. kalli0pe

    A harem is the ideal situation for men and women. You get to have sex with a variety of women, and we get a man who doesn’t bug us too much plus some shopping buddies.

    It’s probably ideal for girls who look like they got busted in the chops by a whiffle ball bat, because Big Love can take her when he’s blind drunk, and then get it on with the others when he can see straight.

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  311. whiskey

    xsplat — History did not begin ten minutes ago. China in particular has been wracked by fights over women. Over twenty million people died in the Taipeng Rebellion in the 1850’s — with muzzle loading muskets! At its heart was a fight over women. That’s what it was.

    Well, I’ve never heard that one, Whiskey, but in fact you could make a good argument out of it.

    The Taiping rebels’ base population was Hakka (Jiake in pinyin), who eschewed the foot-binding that was the norm for ethnic Chinese women in the Qing. Hong Xiuquan called for equality between men and women and recruited female warriors even as he built a harem. Very interesting story there.

    No way I can explain it in a few blog posts, but I would definitely encourage those who are interested to look into the history of the war, which, as Whiskey points out, claimed millions of lives. It probably was the fatal blow to the Qing dynasty as well. Historically speaking, it was one of the most consequential uprisings of all time.

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  312. Doug1

    Bhetti–

    I don’t know about you guys but I really am scared about roissy dissecting out Hope.

    Hope irritates Roissy principally because she’s anti game. She’s gone from saying it usually doesn’t work with most girls to admitting it usually does with most, but she still greatly dislikes it.

    However unlike Wendy Schwartz and her ilk, Hope is basically a very positive force in the world. She’s very monogamous and loyal. Yes she got divorced but that was w/out kids and a seemingly difficult situation.

    Doug, from my experience and what I’ve read of her, Hope is the most treacherous type of woman out there. Maybe you’ve got a different take on things, but as you’ve admitted before you aren’t really the type who commits. So I think she might seem kind of harmless to you because of your own predilections.

    In fact, she’s worse in many ways than LR, because LR at least is obtuse enough to spill it all out with little prompting. In fact, LR, despite her posturing, might even be amenable to correction with a rawhide whip and an oaken club. Who knows? It is for a braver soul than I to find out. [include mandatory humor disclaimer in case my ex’s lawyer digs up this post]

    If you’re interested in having dalliances with young women like Bhetti and Hope, more power to you, but for guys who might actually want to get married or have a traditional relationship these types of women are to be avoided at all costs.

    So for you, I’d say go for it, but for men who want traditional families, STAY AWAY!

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  313. A lot of it is just learning to be macho, not a pussy and to tease.

    But I don’t want to be macho. I like being soft and pudgy. My niece and nephew like that. 🙂

    The main issue is that men, if they are not fathers but merely “father figures” flitting in and out of their sex partners lives or men who are not getting sex at all (assume they don’t have Game), will not generally invest much in themselves or society as whole. That leads to
    stagnation and eventual decline.

    I don’t see why that should magically cause society to stop functioning. If anything, money is what keeps everybody interested in having the system function, and to a lesser extent, I’d imagine that for some males, their desire to rise up to the top isn’t just to attract women, but as a revenge to control the men that taunted them during their youth.

    which looks a lot like the Stockholm syndrome to me

    Stockholm system essentially explains why older couples claim to still love each other despite their beta husbands.

    I agree. But didn’t Roissy say something about mistreating a woman’s pet in a previous post? Maybe he does kick kittens across the room.

    The only way to fight Roissy is to become as dark and sinister as him. Only demons can fight other demons.

    One was a DA-nightmare “gold digger”

    All women are golddiggers. I have more respect for the women who marry and then divorce you than those who stay with you long-term. The long-term women take more of your money and sell more lies to trick you into staying with them. The short-term golddiggers have much more in the way of respect, and take less of your money and admit to their motives.

    Naturally, aoefe has to be stated first in her pairing with DA. Since she’s relatively dominant.

    While I am smitten for the submissive Canadian lady, it would be wrong to impose myself in a relationship with her when she should be with a dominant male who makes her happy.

    Nor that I had to sacrifice my submissiveness for this most noble purpose. But such is the life of a giver.

    The submissive gives in to the desires of the other submissive to be dominant.

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  314. It also accounts for David Alexander’s withdrawal, anti-Game convictions, and depression.

    David Alexander is withdrawn because he does not have a college degree and a career job and a nice car and a nice home. In his little world view, those things determine his value, his spending levels, and thus, his ability to attract friends that would find him palatable to their tastes.

    David Alexander is not anti-game per se, but doesn’t want to make use of it. David understands that this will bar him from meeting women for sexual purposes, but finds the current alternative of porn/masturbation to be suitable for his needs. He thinks game is a waste in a relationship and should be used strictly to bang the hottest women possible in short-term relationships, but that’s based on his views of sexual appeal of women and female attraction toward alpha males in long-term relationships.

    David Alexander is depressed because he is withdrawn and because his little easy living high prole class world has collapsed under the weight of a dead star with no way back to that world. He is also depressed from stumbling upon race realism and human biodiversity on the Internet, and wishes he could wipe such things away from his brain permanently.

    Although, David can’t honest answer whether he likes being unattractive to women, or if it makes him feel awful about himself. The mixed feelings and endorphin rushes when he thinks about it seem to make things complicated. Maybe he just wants somebody to cuddle, talk, and
    fuck, but meets his physical and other requirements on a time frame that meets his needs and convenience (and doesn’t intefere with his daily regimen of home-work-home too much), and without the process for trying to look for something like that. Regardless, he understands why women don’t like him, and he’s willing to accept it. He just wants women (and society) to leave the other beta males alone instead of lying to them about everything.

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  315. Welmer says, “It’s probably ideal for girls who look like they got busted in the chops by a whiffle ball bat, because Big Love can take her when he’s blind drunk, and then get it on with the others when he can see straight.”

    Actually, even through your brutality, you do have a good point.

    A polygamous man doesn’t need to kill or abandon his wives or his children with them, for the crime of getting older or ill. She can age or not be perfect, and not be cast out on the street for it, so long as she upholds the values of the family.

    That hot women would be morally justified to be more mercenary is not a good argument in favor of monogamy.

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  316. Serious question, Welmer…how badly behaved do you figure your ex wife would have been if she was a step behind someone like say, Dana?

    I think I’d be scared to cuss except in text if Dana was wife #1.

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  317. Whoa, whoa, Welmer.

    Bhetti and Hope? Bhetti is the sweetest, most chaste, cleverest, drama-free girl on this board. A traditional girl, with good, solid values. I don’t know why you’d lump here in with the other women on this board who are either a) sluts/reformed sluts b) washed up divorcees c) over confident narcissists with blogs detailing every guy who has ever “zomg, tried to pick me up ewww.”

    Bhetti FTW.

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  318. on August 21, 2009 at 6:05 am Cannon's Canon

    Nate:
    In the words of a wise man:
    “Suck a dick, no homo.”
    Bhetti’s buffoonery should be shallow enough. Dint take notice of her much until the ‘doug1’ character stuck its nose up. Smart as she purports to be, she has proven herself a moron here.

    As far as Hope: casting “intimidating shout” yields a pretty low survival rate in advanced dungeons. Can’t wait til roissy runs some specs as guild leader and gives her a fail-rate… I predict 100%.

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  319. on August 21, 2009 at 6:49 am Cannon's Canon

    If I cared enough, I’d rename myself “Dug In (to) teh internetz Faux Men”

    i’m pretty drunk right now but that seems brilliant!

    confession: enya still in FULL effect tonight

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  320. on August 21, 2009 at 6:55 am Cannon's Canon

    sail away, sail away, sail away!

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  321. The life of Mr. Edwards presents many lessons in what is wrong with life and modern society.

    I still recall the video clip of Edwards fixing his hair before some public address. That was pathetic. This person had a chance to be President.

    Also pathetic is that women think Edwards and Clinton are attractive men. They are both rather ugly, but, have good hair. Clinton was fat and unhealthy, too. Don’t know about Edwards. He looks chubby. Women who get involved with men like them get what they deserve.

    Hard to feel sorry for such women.

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  322. Yo, I’m just watching this report on a Megan whatshername, some kind of Las Vegas model? Seems she was murdered and tossed in a dumpster. The number one suspect seems to be her hubby, who apparently has escaped to Canada.

    Seems like the once happy couple had their own “reality” tv show, where the hubbie was shown being a silver tongued-devil, seen by all as a smooth Playa. This one just screams out for Roissy’s analysis, if he isn’t on it already.

    Just yesterday I was talking about the real need for we who know of and/or apply Game, to be mindful of the Dark Side. Today, I see this report on morning tv.

    There are no accidents in life.
    Anyone else know about this murder situation?

    The Obsidian

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  323. the taipong rebellion only happened because they didn´t haVE xbox in the XIX century

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  324. nicole,

    if i was primary wife i’d whisper in his ear til he became king and then i’d rule the empire from the third room of the harem with my coterie of eunuchs like queen atossa in “creation”–no time for women, wives, kids and their domestic drama and vaporings

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  325. here is the next “wife” who should end up on fox news murdered and stuffed in a suitcase:

    http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/08/20/site-reveals-shocking-truth-about-husbands-theyre-annoying?icid=main|aimzones|dl5|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemondrop.com%2F2009%2F08%2F20%2Fsite-reveals-shocking-truth-about-husbands-theyre-annoying

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  326. here is the next “wife” who should end up on fox news murdered and stuffed in a suitcase:

    http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/08/20/site-reveals-shocking-truth-about-husbands-theyre-annoying?icid=main|aimzones|dl5|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemondrop.com%2F2009%2F08%2F20%2Fsite-reveals-shocking-truth-about-husbands-theyre-annoying

    @dana —

    Yep several of us nominated him got BOTM yesterday.

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  327. nice

    what a fag

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  328. nova,

    re your comment on older female advice and the generations–bingo!

    my mother is queen baby boomer. she was a folkie beatnik sexual revolution precursor who’s “civil rights” participation basically came down to dating black guys and making her holocaust survivor grandparents pull their hair out screaming “hitler should have killed me!”

    she gave me THE WORST ADVICE POSSIBLE for being a girl in the 80-90s. like most of her generation she didn’t understand the MEN she was dealing with had been brought up with PRErevolutionary values and the ones i would be dealing with had not. at 14 i was allowed to do whatever i wanted, had boys sleeping over by 16, she drove me to older bf’s apartments to spend the weekend. this was my “normal”.

    i was always resistant to feminism, i was in college from 87-92, ground zero time—everyone was signing up for women’s studies, i was reading paglia, roiphe, sade and national review. but i totally see my generation of women as being fiull of the worst advice yet

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  329. Re: hyperbolic fears for Hope’s sanity-

    Anyone fragile enough to be destroyed by some blogger’s trash talking should probably get off the internet before Mom finds out what they’re up to. It’s a faceless jungle filled with nasty little people. It’s a place where anonymous trolls email pictures of dead girls’ corpses to their grieving families.

    Our venerable host ain’t the meanest thing out there, not by a long shot.

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  330. your av seems to have forgotten something

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  331. at 14 i was allowed to do whatever i wanted, had boys sleeping over by 16, she drove me to older bf’s apartments to spend the weekend. this was my “normal”.

    @ dana —

    It’s simply amazing that your mother encouraged that, isn’t it? Can you imagine doing the same with your own daughter? It’s almost like an entire generation or two of young women didn’t really have functioning mothers, never mind fathers (who were often being kicked out of the house by such mothers as a part of the revolution, too). It’s just amazing the scope of what happened, really.

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  332. nova–it really is, they provided me zero guidance other than “go to law school” when i was aimless and floundering, encouraged my every weirdness and excess and here’s the BEST part–they were SHOCKED and appalled when at 26 i had no interest in marrying a nice jewish doctor and settling down to be a totally normal housewife! lol

    my mother is still obsessed with cool–she proudly IMs me DMX videos and gushes about how much she loves him while i am playing bluegrass guitar and vomiting on everything she loves. meanwhile, my WW2 generation grandmother who is 90 hangs out with my husband and i when she comes to stay and we talk about how baby boomers destroyed the country

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  333. xsplat presumed:

    So, what you’re saying is, sluts are not popular, and no one fucks them.

    hey – what happened to your supercool av?

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  334. Firepower I see you’re a connoisseur of vino…nice.

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  335. well, i do appreciate the finer things in life

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  336. “Anyone else know about this murder situation?”

    You’re a little mixed up, O. The woman was a swimsuit model and believed to be married to this guy. She was found inside a suitcase inside a dumpster.

    The guy was a contestant on a recently-aired reality tv show called ‘Megan Wants a Millionaire’ where rich guys vied for Megan’s attention with expensive gifts.

    I was watching, and he was not ‘smooth’ in the least. Very awkward and twitchy.

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  337. Speaking of the Revolution, the most brazenly feminist movie I’ve ever watched is “Antonia” from 1995.

    Online summary: “A Dutch matron establishes and, for several generations, oversees a close-knit, matriarchal community where feminism and liberalism thrive.”

    It’s got everything: matrilineal family, a smackdopwn of church and military authrity figures, anonymous bad-boy stud insemination, “only a hobbled man is a good man.”

    The two sympathetic male characters — both lowest on the family’s totem-pole and the only males in the family — were an apostate priest and a retard.

    In my defense, I rented it in 1999 for the boobies.

    Re. partenal permissiveness: if I have daughters, I already know one thing that will not be allowed: no crass writing on clothes, and no writing of any kind on the ass. I see tourist families with their daughters and I can’t believe my eyes.

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  338. on August 21, 2009 at 10:33 am Black Military Man

    Bhetti’s not dumb, she’s just inexperienced with real world man-woman relationships and her English is not on point.

    Between her and Sexy Lovely Beauty – another FOB (fresh off the boat) Asian woman (yes, Indians and Arabs are “asian” too) you can kind of see what you would be dealing with if you were ever allowed into the inner social circles of traditional Asians in the West – which you would never be coz they stick with their own, except for the further East Asians who tend to be more “open” to put it nicely.

    Regarding OXYTOCIN, women release more of the chemical than man do during orgasm and that is why they want to cuddle after sex and often get hung up on the man for days or weeks after. OXYTOCIN is the “bonding” chemical, hence they wanna bond. Men do to, but they don’t release as much for as long.

    Once women know this, it can be very empowering for them. Rather than get all hung up on a guy, they can just recognize the need for what it is – a release of chemicals and wade out the storm.

    For the moms and dads here, please teach this to your teenage daughters so that they are prepared and don’t get hung up on some loser.

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  339. Dana, there is a lot of talk here about GenX boys having been lied to (be a nice guy, quality girls want to be respected and not seen as sex objects, etc.).

    But people forget that girls of this generation had been lied to as well. Witness the ubiquity of fertility clinic ads on the radio. I remember my high school sex ed class in late 1980s and how it was all about enjoying sex but avoiding pregnancy EVER and mid-30s being a woman’s sexual peak, and by implication, her reproductive peak too.

    You seem to have overcome your feed of pretty lies. But the tragedy for many of our female age-mates is that while men can learn overdue Game, for women it’s often too late when they swallow the red pill.

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  340. Nate–

    Bhetti is the sweetest, most chaste, cleverest, drama-free girl on this board. A traditional girl, with good, solid values.

    You’re right. Except for the drama free part. She is a girl after all. A girly girl.

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  341. Bhetti

    xsplat: Money for what, exactly?

    It was a vicious, cynical, and cruel joke.

    There is an industry called e-whoring, where a girl induces love in a man, and eventually brings up topics of hardships that could be cured with money. Sick mother, sick buffalo, etc.

    My point was the e-love is a bit of a joke.

    I understand that people sometimes to get real emotions through the net, but I see it as childish and fantastical.

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  342. PA,

    that’s partially why i disagree with a lot of the stuff about “reformed sluts” here, though i haven’t vocalized it yet.

    i think you have to investigate the individual reformed slut for character.

    i never particularly wanted to be a slut, i wanted nothing more than to be in a lifelong monogamous relationship, in the past 23 years of my life i’ve spent all but about 5-6 non consecutive years in 100% monog (on my end obv) LTR this last one culminating in marriage, the one before making it to engagement with rings and license.

    nothing in my world prepared me to get what i wanted. my mom tried to teach me kennedy era “girl game”. my bohemian millieu didn’t include “dating” at all–you met, had a one night stand and he either “called” or didn’t. if he called, you “went out” for a while, if he didn’t it was an awesome notch on your im-just-like-a-guy belt you BELIEVED you had.

    i f a girl fell for the BS she was raised in and wises up and displays the right attitude, shit test the hell out of her for character before committing, she could still be a good one

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  343. Dana–

    my mother is queen baby boomer. she was a folkie beatnik sexual revolution precursor who’s “civil rights” participation basically came down to dating black guys and making her holocaust survivor grandparents pull their hair out screaming “hitler should have killed me!”

    She’s divorced I take it?

    Was your dad in the picture much?

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  344. nope–not divorced, in fact,married 41 yrs this october–longgggggggggggg story

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  345. oh and my dad is a gentle INTJ superintellectual doctor and the only other person on earth i can talk to besides my hub and random interweb strangers on the same wavelength

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  346. Dana-

    Your mother sure sounds like the cheating type.

    He stayed with her nonetheless I guess.

    Well this may be too personal.

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  347. Nate

    Bhetti is the sweetest, most chaste, cleverest, drama-free girl on this board. A traditional girl, with good, solid values.

    You can add “mentally unstable” to the list. She’s also gung-ho about Islam, which doesn’t speak highly of her clerverness or values.

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  348. OT (but not OT in general for this blog), someone reminded me of the following bit about marriage and divorce, which many may find to be interesting reading: http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/best-of-njslave/

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  349. doug they both cheated, him 1st

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  350. Nova–

    Good link.

    From your link:

    Of course, change the system, take away the payout, and she would have stayed in the marriage that treated her so well all these years. But that would be abuse, since now she’s free to have fun and enjoy the money, while I still have to work just like before to pay it.

    Oh yes, and now she’s not only a good little church going catholic girl, but a sweet $36k a year 5th grade teacher in the Florida state school system. I pay her more than that in alimony, not counting her tax free child support. It’s really hilarious, because I’ve seen the teachers parking lot. Talk about the haves, and the have-nots. Between the women with the nice cars that live in the expensive town, that are heavily subsidized by a husband or a lucrative divorce. And the other women, with the less expensive cars, that are really struggling making the same $36k salary, probaly all getting squeeze with the higher gas prices, since they can’t afford to live in the town. Those are the ones that are usually unmarried or weren’t as fortunate to hook the right ATM machine.

    Women SHOULD NOT get half of what a man has made in divorce. Do a prenup that prevents that.

    When women stay home with young children THEY HAVE A VERY CUSHY, easy job. Don’t listen to all the feminist crap to the contrary. Who do you think all the daytime soaps and talk shows are playing to? Women supported by husbands who are “slaving away” as homemakers and kid raisers. Not.

    It’s easy as hell. Even infant care isn’t that hard, it’s just sleep depriving, since they don’t sleep for long. They still leave women TONS of free time.

    All the feminist noise to the contrary are simply LIES.

    My youngest brother was six years younger. I was old enough to see how hard my mother DIDN’T have to work. And then how bored she got. So she did volunteer work, an then with a vengeance, rising quickly, she had so much free time and energy.

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  351. For various reasons I think women’s cheating is often hidden from children, whereas men’s cheating usually isn’t.

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  352. Doug I don’t think the job of child rearing is particularily hard-labour intensive but I think the ability to stay home provides children with much more of a solid foundation than if they were in daycare. I think women and men are investing in their children’s future lives when they sacrifice an income. So being a (lil) devil’s advocaty wouldn’t it make sense to pay a woman for her sacrfice? *ducks and runs

    I should also mention that leaving a marriage for either party should be something of such major significance that the safety and well being of one of the persons is at stake. (mental and physical health). Boredom, finding yourself, sowing your wild oats, deciding being single is the shizzle are NOT good reasons to eff up families.

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  353. So does everyone who reads this blog agree with me that the law should be changed such that Rielle Hunter has zero right to mandatory child support from Edwards, unless and to the extent it was necessary to keep her off welfare? (Which it wouldn’t be; she’s a competent PR professional.)

    It was clearly an ambush baby. She got preggers at 42 by a very rich man, right on the cusp of losing her fertility. While she managed to slut it up for the past 25 years or more previously without ever getting pregnant. Oh yeah sure it was an accident. Can you say LIED about being on the pill? (Oh and 42yo’s don’t get preggers from a single unprotected screw. Oh no. Chances of that approach zero.)

    So you all agree with me or are to chicken to argue it on here?

    Him doing the right thing would be calling her a gold digging slut and making a national cause celeb about how he shouldn’t have to pay her ANY child support for her ambush baby.

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  354. z: Auster’s commenter is right about much here.

    Auster’s commenter isn’t right about pretty much anything there. This is a ‘root cause-ism’, which are practically always asinine. There was no ’90s bomb, and it isn’t just a ‘lost generation’ of GenXers that are ‘afflicted’ with this social disease.

    The feminist push in the 90s was all about eradicating the ‘Pro-Feminist’ sentiments among women. The crowd that said, “I’m not a Feminist, but…” had to go. Most women then and now are not part of any actual Feminist Movement. However, today a great many women (in America I’d wager more women identify as ‘Feminist’ than they do either political party or as independent) still adopt the moniker as if it’s synonymous with womanhood. In urban areas, where most of America is located, it pretty much is.

    The broader observation here isn’t about any ‘lost generation’ of men that don’t know how to be men. Men have changed, sure, but not to the same degree that women have and it isn’t a recent explosion but gradual slide. Associated with that is the sea change in the courtship practices of our culture. A classic ‘beta’ type hardworking, loving provider father figure was a primo mate to settle down with, and a good role model for his son a few generations ago. Even if today’s man is his father’s son, and not browbeaten by the alleged 90s femme-bomb, women don’t want or need that man anymore.

    It isn’t the law either. I can’t say I know a single man who is seriously afraid of sexual harassment laws. They are terrified of getting a baby ambush like Edwards here, and they are terrified to get married, but they aren’t terrified to make the approach. Maybe in some highly professional fields/businesses with rigid rules of propriety that isn’t the case, but the majority of men are obviously not ‘highly professional’ career wise. I flirt with my female co-workers, and I work at a fairly large corporation. There are no rules about asking anyone out, and we have clearly detailed procedures for actual cases of sexual harassment. Someone losing their job over anything shy of obviously obsessive behavior and actual stalking is preposterous. The only laws that matter are no fault divorce + alimony & child support. That’s an issue, but only a tangential one. People are more ‘commitment-phobic’ in general because of the potential of being forced into marriage from an LTR. However, this isn’t really about marriage but attraction and bonding.

    The qualities that men see in their fathers, or other male role models and wish to emulate; and the lessons of virtue they receive from their mothers and sisters, and what they are told ad naseum that women desire at every corner are all bullshit. That is at the core of the disenfranchisement of the modern male. Those values and beliefs that they hold as good and right and true; that they adore in their role models; that they have thoroughly internalized are largely unattractive to women. They have to learn the hard way that at the very least on some visceral, subconscious level women are attracted to practically the exact opposite of what most men want to be. The cognitive dissonance resulting in being inculcated in a cult of lies by an entire culture complicit by its blindness to it all is absolutely staggering.

    It’s literally psychologically damaging to go out and do and be everything that you have been taught is wrong your entire life to achieve any kind of bonding or relationship. This path of deception that has us doubling back on all of our romantic notions of love results in all of the pathological behavior you see before you; the deferential, the apathetic, the self-loathing, the angry.

    This isn’t browbeaten fear of women though. This is the symptom, not the disease. No realistic expectation can be made for serious relationships and bonds when the beholders of men’s qualities view them in such a dichotomous fashion. At best, what we love in ourselves they are ambivalent to; at worst what they love in us we loathe in ourselves.

    I don’t know the cure per se, but I know that the search for a ‘root cause’, especially one as recent as two decades ago is futile witch hunt. The real root cause is the widespread use of deception and the preference for wishful thinking and pretty lies to truth that pervades western culture at many levels, not just one relating to sex and relationships. That the rabbit hole goes so deep on this one that it does afflict relationships between individuals should be a huge wake-up call, but alas…

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  355. aoefe–

    So being a (lil) devil’s advocaty wouldn’t it make sense to pay a woman for her sacrfice? *ducks and runs

    She is paid for it. During the marriage. By sharing in his higher income with him then.

    Doug I don’t think the job of child rearing is particularily hard-labour intensive

    I call horseshiite on that. It’s easy with modern appliances, etc. Doesn’t take much time at all. It is done much better by more intelligent and emotionally sane women though, for sure.

    Divorce is far too lucrative for women these days. That’s why they do it so much, or a good part of the reason. It’s VERY rare for men with young children to want the marriage to end.

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  356. doug there should never be child support without marriage for anyone ever PERIOD end of story

    outside the bonds of marriage men should have exactly ZERO duty towards a woman or any children she “chooses” to have with her precious “choice”.

    that’s really the only legal change we need to most of the bullshit–like i’ve said before, the sound of legs snapping shut all over the country would be deafening

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  357. aoefe–

    Further, child support=alimony already contains a considerable alimony component in it.

    To add additional alimony on top of that is obscene.

    The notion that once a man marries a woman he’s responsible for seeing that she has the same standard of living that she enjoyed when married to him, regardless of what she does or why she ends the marriage, while she has no enforceable obligations to him whatsoever, is obscene. Feminist obscene. No men should marry under such a regime.

    No man should ever marry you under such a regime aoefe.

    Do women even promise to give their husbands regular sex now when they marry? Oh no say feminists, and have even made it rape if a man screws his wife without her full consent each and every time. Which they tell us and all young women they’re under no moral or any other kind of obligation to give. Oh no. They’re even encouraged to withhold sex to get more of what they want from their husbands. It’s obscene.

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  358. dana–

    I so much agree with you.

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  359. Do women even promise to give their husbands regular sex now when they marry?

    Men should be promising us regular sex, too!

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  360. S–

    The only laws that matter are no fault divorce + alimony & child support. That’s an issue, but only a tangential one. People are more ‘commitment-phobic’ in general because of the potential of being forced into marriage from an LTR.

    It’s not only a tangential issue, you silly little girl. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    You are right in saying that sexual harassment law has been far less important.

    However domestic violence law, in it’s absurdly low thresholds and just believing women and issuing a TRO which amounts to an order to move out of his house on her say so with no evidence, but less evidence of any serious harm to her, is utterly obscene and is now being routinely used by many women in divorce, or even live together breakups as BIG leverage.

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  361. Several points.

    Bonnie: yup, my bad, you’re right, I did kinda get things jumbled up wrt the “Megan Wants A Millionaire” murder; I was in the midst of taking care of some very important business when I caught the word on this morning’s early newscast. Still, I maintain the story itself makes for yet another Roissyworld validation of the simple fact that Women either cannot be honest-brutally honest-about what sexually drives them-or are simply ignorant of same. Pick your poison, because this murder shows yet again that hot Women definitely ARE deeply sexually attracted to assholes, criminals and the like; Jenkins I think his name is, who is the main suspect in what is not an international manhunt, has gone upside the head of at least one other Woman before. Kinda reminds me of Jana Mackey’s story last year, and of course, once again the Feminist Apologia was swift and sure.

    Nate: Agree w/all that you’ve said. Kinda reminds me of a recent caller in to the Steve Harvey Radio Show, heard in the mornings on most urban contemporary (read, Black) radio stations accross the country. The caller, a Man, asked why Harvey didn’t have features geared to them like they do already for Women; before Harvey even responded, I knew what he was gonna say. Harvey said that they simply weren’t going to have “male” versions of his “Strawberry Letter” and “Hottie of the Month” but didn’t go into pecisely *why*.

    Well, we here at Roissy’s & Co, know why-Harvey’s show is geared in the main toward Black Women, and that’s OK. That Brotha needs to come to places like this that actually gives a damn about his interests and has no problem calling a spade a spade. In fact, the Game Movement-and that’s what it is, make no mistake about it-is something that can and will move mountains, in ways that the Steve Harvey/The View/Oprah type shows/hosts never dreamed of.

    I’ve often said that its important for our brothers, when learning of the truth after taking the Red Pill, NOT be bitter. It serves no useful purpose. Yes, I understand where it comes from, but if they really wanna get even, there’s a way to do it. Game is definitely one of those ways, virtually unstoppable in the hands of a skilled practitioner.

    Doug: I completely, emphatically endorse all you’ve said on the Rielle Hunter issue. I’ve said it once and it bears repeating: until or unless Mandatory Paternity Testing, Roe For Men, and allied Reforms occur wrt existing Divorce and Paternity Laws happens, there will never be any true, real and lasting resolution to these issues. In the meantime, we can expect more and more Men to simply vote w/their feet, by falling off the grid, in the time-honored practice of civil disobediance.
    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  362. Doug, you responded to the wrong person! I think you meant “K”. All of us initials blend together, I know.

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  363. on August 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm The Fifth Horesman

    S,

    That is why you have to choose a real handle. What with this single-letter lazy business?

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  364. on August 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm The Fifth Horesman

    Doug1,

    Even worse are false accusations of rape, which misandrists are encouraging. 41% of rape accusations are false, yet misandrists are not bothered by that – they continue to tout some myth that ‘60% of rapes are unreported’ or whatever.

    They don’t care about getting the ‘right’ guy, just about damaging men indiscriminately.

    This, of course, is not sustainable. I am surprised there is not a Sodini every week (yet).

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  365. S —

    Doug, you responded to the wrong person! I think you meant “K”. All of us initials blend together, I know.

    You’re right, I did. Sorry.

    Glad you cleared that up.

    Men should be promising us regular sex, too!

    I agree with you. It should be a mutual obligation.

    No, that DOESN’T kill things in marriage or a live together relationship. It’s a very healthy attitude to have and a helpful one for both sexes.

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  366. what’s funny about rape stats and modern def of rape is we here about “chaperoning” girls in the past and never allowing them alone with men, and we think it was to protect the women from rapacious cads–it never occurs to anyone it was to protect the MEN from accusations

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  367. on August 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    In all seriousness, re: stay at home mothers. Out of the few serious relationships I had, I don’t think any of my boyfriends wished that I aspired to housewife-dom. There’s no shame about being a homemaker, but I do think to an extent, it’s financial leeching. For the first couple years of a child’s life, I do believe in being there as a parent, but I also believe a woman should have further ambitions especially when that child becomes more independent, and more able to take care of themselves.

    Both of my parents were working, middle-class, when my sisters and I were growing up, and it resulted in three self-sufficient women.

    Fifth Horseman,

    All done. Just for your convenience.

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  368. Men should be promising us regular sex, too!

    But like most women, you’re not hot and your sexual attraction declines every year as you age. So why bother when porn stays fresh everyday?

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  369. on August 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Dana,

    There was a recent case involving four Quebecers, two women, two men, who were all vacationing in Cuba. The two women cried rape against the men, but it turned out there was well documented photo evidence of the girls letting loose, very loose, all in the name of having a good time. The men’s argument is that the women just want to excuse behaving like sluts on vacation by accusing them of rape. The two men ended up spending time in jail all because of some self-protecting lies some girls made up.

    People should be innocent until proven guilty, and the problem with rape is that people are guilty until proven innocent.

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  370. I think the ability to stay home provides children with much more of a solid foundation than if they were in daycare. I think women and men are investing in their children’s future lives when they sacrifice an income. So being a (lil) devil’s advocaty wouldn’t it make sense to pay a woman for her sacrfice? *ducks and runs

    I should also mention that leaving a marriage for either party should be something of such major significance that the safety and well being of one of the persons is at stake. (mental and physical health). Boredom, finding yourself, sowing your wild oats, deciding being single is the shizzle are NOT good reasons to eff up families.

    @aoefe —

    The issue with this is that under the current system, there are no such restrictions as to leaving a marriage. And the current family law heavily, heavily penalizes men who have SAHMs as wives by awarding both alimony and CS in many states. It’s a double whammy. Particularly for middle class and above women, the women end up leading the life of Riley, and the husbands are basically slaves to their ex-wives for the rest of their lives. That is despicable nonsense. No woman should be paid for the rest of her life by her ex-husband because she decided to stay at home to take care of her kids.

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  371. Sofia

    I’m glad you changed it too.

    Sometimes I’ve tried to do a find for comments from you, when someone’s responded to you or for some other reason. It’s very difficult when you use just S.

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  372. I said “Doug I don’t think the job of child rearing is particularily hard-labour intensive”

    “I call horseshiite on that.”

    I think I was agreeing with your view Doug. Just sayin… 🙂

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  373. Sophia

    The two men ended up spending time in jail all because of some self-protecting lies some girls made up.

    People should be innocent until proven guilty, and the problem with rape is that people are guilty until proven innocent.

    Those girls should have to serve jail time for false accusations. Yes JAIL, not suspended sentences of community service.

    Damn right that would chill rape accusations, feminist bitches (not you Sophia).

    As it should.

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  374. People should be innocent until proven guilty, and the problem with rape is that people are guilty until proven innocent.

    @Sofia —

    They actually want to make it even *more* like that by changing the rape law (again!) so that if a rape is alleged, consent must be proven by the accused, and if the accused cannot prove consent, he must be convicted of rape! Basically all heterosexual sex would be presumed to be rape in the absence of being able to prove consent.

    All about power. The idea is power over men and sex. Absolute power. Assholes like Valenti support this.

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  375. Doug1: It’s not only a tangential issue…

    It is to the point I was rebutting. “It’s all about the law.” Try passing those laws in the Victorian Era and see if it’s “all about the law” then. No one would have put up with it.

    Trust me, I’ve been behind the scenes of ‘the system’. I’ve had to testify for a DV trial. A women with pictures of bruises all over her body from when she fell he drunk lush ass off of a front porch was all that was needed as ‘evidence’ to get a restraining order.

    A guy I went to highschool had public sex on the bus with a local slut. She got pregnant, called rape, and he got thrown in juvie for his senior year despite a literal bus full of witnesses that were never part of the trial. Of course, that he only got the juvie means the judge knew it was a bullshit charge but tossed his ass in there anyway.

    I’ve seen some seriously egregious shit. It doesn’t matter though. We have so many laws on the books that are never enforced. Not only archaic or obscure laws either. Laws will go on the book and not be enforced the same year it is passed, because prosecutors can smell lame duck laws that will never hold up.

    Even still, most of it’s not the law even in these examples, but judicial prejudice. It has nothing to do with statutes when a false rape charge gets someone put away, or even when the charges get defeated due to being obviously fraudulent it goes uninvestigated and unpunished. It’s already illegal to lie to the police and press false charges. That you will get away with it isn’t the law at all. It’s the law not getting upheld out of prejudicial treatment of men and women.

    These laws get passed, are upheld, have mission creep, and are obviously unjust are granted. In a non-defective culture none of that would be possible, which was my point.

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  376. novaseeker,

    you write:

    “The issue with this is that under the current system, there are no such restrictions as to leaving a marriage. And the current family law heavily, heavily penalizes men who have SAHMs as wives by awarding both alimony and CS in many states.”

    There are ways a man can dramatically increase his odds of finding a woman to marry who will be extremely unlikely to initiate divorce. In a word, Church. If quality men abandoned secularism in progressively larger numbers and only paired off with women whom they were confident took marriage as seriously as they did, the divorce laws become irrelavent. If enough men do this, the women will follow and over time it becomes easy to, with regard to the divorce industry, acknowledge formally what had been informally the case for years. Like it or not, at the heart of the solution to this problem is the abandonment of atheism and agnosticism. Can you handle that?

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  377. on August 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I agree : false rape charges deserve JAIL. They are extortion, just like any other form of extortion.

    FeminOrcs still insist that ‘60% of rapes go unreported’ or whatever, but have no problem with the fact that 41% of rape allegations are false.

    The main problem is that these laws get made by feminOrc lobbying, and the general public has no chance of voting on it, being informed of it, or voting for/against politicians who vote on it.

    More women have to realize that this makes the lives of average WOMEN, yes, WOMEN, much harder as well. It is a lose-lose, all because not enough people of both genders are standing up to feminOrcs.

    Sofia,
    All done. Just for your convenience.

    As it should be.

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  378. Jerrdog, on polygamy

    It makes eugenical sense.

    I agree that moralistic arguments against polygamy don’t wash.

    And I agree with your harem building enterprise. What else is a man to do with his life?

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  379. There are ways a man can dramatically increase his odds of finding a woman to marry who will be extremely unlikely to initiate divorce. In a word, Church. If quality men abandoned secularism in progressively larger numbers and only paired off with women whom they were confident took marriage as seriously as they did, the divorce laws become irrelavent. If enough men do this, the women will follow and over time it becomes easy to, with regard to the divorce industry, acknowledge formally what had been informally the case for years. Like it or not, at the heart of the solution to this problem is the abandonment of atheism and agnosticism. Can you handle that?

    @Andrew E —

    Christians have even higher divorce rates than others (conservative Evangelicals topping the list): http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

    Nice try though.

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  380. Andrew E: In a word, Church.

    In a word, Mosque. Divorce rates are much lower there no?

    The country is over 75% Christian. We see scandal after scandal of Christian politicians cheating on their spouses. We see it in our own families. Jon Edwards is a church-going Christian to be on topic.

    Just for the record, Jesus freaks are freaks. The more they like to scream about Jesus, the more they like to scream about Jesus. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*

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  381. on August 21, 2009 at 1:37 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Andrew E,

    Sorry, but you are a part of the problem. A LARGE part.

    Empty sermonizing about ‘Christian values’ and ‘the sanctity of marriage’ has no effect against legal/judicial machinery that provides a huge INCENTIVE for divorce. The church is about as effective as a pea shooter against steel.

    Plus, Christians are too cowardly to hold women accountable for their behaviors. It is always about blaming the man/shaming the man.

    That is why Christian moralists are a shambolic failure, who share the blame for the state of affairs. Can you handle that?

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  382. Andrew

    Like it or not, at the heart of the solution to this problem is the abandonment of atheism and agnosticism. Can you handle that?

    I’m not convinced, Andrew. Are there any statistics to back up your theory?

    Women are just so fickle, I have a hard time imagining them being noble, not even because of God.

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  383. K, making interesting social commentary, gave meat to her narrative with this highlight

    A guy I went to highschool had public sex on the bus with a local slut

    Ok, let’s backup and focus on that. THAT got my attention.

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  384. Nova said “No woman should be paid for the rest of her life by her ex-husband because she decided to stay at home to take care of her kids.”

    I am in agreement in regards to the ‘rest of her life’ comment. Yet it’s not always her sole decision to stay home with the kids it’s a family decision. If any chick puts her foot down and says regardless of what you say I’m not working and I’ll stay home and the man isn’t in support – then heck he had better do something at that point not years later. That’s a harbinger of bad things to come.

    I also believe the divorce laws need to be amended to make it difficult for either party to leave.

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  385. Novaseeker (and others),

    Excuse me but you’re saying that a subgroup of the population that embodies theological injunctions which carry with them the most severe punishments (of the spiritual nature) against the de-sanctification of marriage are more likely to break that bond then people who regard marriage, as a matter of principle, as nothing more than an at-will contract? Not buying it in a million years. People who divorce willy nilly are not believing Christians. My suggestion involves seeking out believing Christian (focusing on Christianity to simplify things) women, and then those women somewhat more marginal and persuading them to become believers and then those a little more marginal and persuading them. It can be done. Build your life around a community that takes this seriously where a women initiating divorce means exile and a loss of her friends and support network. Move out of the city to do this if you have to. Use your imagination.

    There are women out there like this and the marginal ones can be persuaded and led, they want to be persuaded and led. Women will adapt to changes initiated by men.

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  386. Sophia

    Naturally, aoefe has to be stated first in her pairing with DA. Since she’s relatively dominant.

    That was truly cruel to aoefe.

    Though she did joke about it.

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  387. doug:
    Hope irritates Roissy principally because she’s anti game. She’s gone from saying it usually doesn’t work with most girls to admitting it usually does with most, but she still greatly dislikes it.

    this is not the reason i’ve locked my target designation system on hope. i couldn’t care less how anti-game she is.

    hope came onto this board claiming, in so many words, she had transcended the biomechanical monster of her nightmares. she was beyond that. she waved her east asian buddhist/confucian/eckhart tolle mystique card and proclaimed light and love and dressed it all up in new age babble.

    then i called her out on it. i told her she was as much a pig stuck in the mud as the rest of us. she, like every other woman, falls for game, tingles for abusive twitchily violent men, is beholden to the laws of the jungle.

    and she didn’t like it one bit.

    lo and behold she returns to the blog telling her tale of divorce from her violently abusive and lying ex-hubby. naturally, this was red meat to a predator like myself. the transcendent, hippie dippie hopenchange avatar of maslov’s highest human realization MARRIED A LYING MANIPULATIVE LOSER WITH A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARREST RECORD. oh the rich irony. my sides!

    of course hopenchange claimed she was young… didn’t know any better…. wasn’t THAT KIND OF GIRL. if she had been even more transcendent, wiser, stronger, power of now-ish, she wouldn’t have fallen for sociopathic ex-hubbie’s manipulative charms.

    nice story. except, it’s bullshit.

    you see, back when hopenchange was still with the ex, she boasted of his prowess with the ladies when i subtly tweaked her into revealing what kind of man she married. she said he was a natural gamer who picked up blonde bimbos before he met her. said he had been in fights and despite his nerdy hobbies knew how to throw down. now hopenchange granted herself a measure of plausible deniability inasmuch as she hinted at having fallen in love with ex-hubbie despite his daaaangerous ways, but what glee she recounted at the time his badassery.

    almost like SHE LIKED HIM THAT WAY.

    so you see, soft, nice, sweet, gentle, asian doll hopenchange fell in love with the ex-hubbie not in spite of, but BECAUSE OF, his assholery. his toughness. his charming bastard act. his amoral application of GAME through the use of big lies told out of school.

    hope is no ethereal creature inspiring our better angels. she’s a bag of female meat, just like the rest of them.

    and i’m all too happy to remind her of that.

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  388. Andrew E —

    You can believe what you want, but not only the Barna study but media reports as well confirm that evangelicals have an above average divorce rate. Sometimes the truth is ugly, as we often remind ourselves on this site.

    There are many men who sought out “good Christian women” only to end up in the same bad, misandrist family courts several years later with everyone else.

    If you really want to escape the toxic culture, you need to expatriate outside the West. That is a viable option for some, for certain. But advising people to marry women from church is simply disastrous advice.

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  389. @aoefe —

    Yet it’s not always her sole decision to stay home with the kids it’s a family decision.

    Fair enough, but the already very high levels of CS, which have an alimony component, are more than enough, in my view.

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  390. on August 21, 2009 at 2:05 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Roissy,

    The fact that Hope is dating someone who appears to be hopelessly Beta —

    Exhibit A. Boyfriend is wearing a shirt that says “Adorkable”.

    — doesn’t that nullify her relationship with her asshole ex?

    [editor: desire is suppressed, never nullified. hope’s beta bf is the cytokine storm of an overeager immune system.]

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  391. The fact that Hope is dating someone who appears to be hopelessly Beta –

    Exhibit A. Boyfriend is wearing a shirt that says “Adorkable”.

    – doesn’t that nullify her relationship with her asshole ex?

    He may be a dork, but he’s really great in raids and has a dedicated vent server. Such things are attractive to some women, I guess.

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  392. novaseeker,

    you write:

    “But advising people to marry women from church is simply disastrous advice.”

    This may be what you heard, but it was not what I said. I said find a believing Christian who thus believes that divorce is close to unthinkable. A good place to start is Church but that is not enough. I also said find the marginal ones and persaude and lead them to your worldview. I said anchor the relationship within a community that you’re certain shares your viewpoint, something real that would be lost upon a divorce.

    I fully understand that the mention of the transcendent is diametrically opposed to the philosphical materialism that rules this blog, but hey, materialism is bogus and wrong and leads to the destruction of civilization. Someone needs to say it.

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  393. But Andrew, you’re acting as if (1) the only way to use Game is to be a PUA and (2) Christians don’t use Game to make themselves attractive to potential mates and maintain attraction in their marriages. Both of those assumptions are wrong.

    Game is a toolkit — it can be used in various ways. Christians can use it, as well, to help generate and maintain attraction in Christian women (hint: Christian women are still *women* and they are attracted to the same cues a man uses when he is running Game).

    You’re focused too much on Roissy himself and how he uses Game. If you studied this blog in more detail, you’d find many posters here are long term married and run Game in their marriages to great effect.

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  394. on August 21, 2009 at 2:21 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    What does Hope have to gain by being with a beta? She’s educated, and presumably self-sufficient. From the pictures I’ve seen, she’s very attractive, and from what she’s written, she has good values. Therefore, I suspect she’d have no problem nabbing an alpha (in a non absolutedly hedonistic sense of the word) if she truly wanted one.

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  395. on August 21, 2009 at 2:23 pm Black Military Man

    Statistically the people with the lowest divorce rate are Indian Hindus.

    RE: I agree that moralistic arguments against polygamy don’t wash.

    And I agree with your harem building enterprise. What else is a man to do with his life?

    WTF? When marriage to one woman can land you in debt and slavery for the rest of your life, you are seriously considering becoming a slave to more than one?

    Divorce and family court drags your butts all over the coals with one divorce, imagine 2 or 3 women divorcing you all within the span of 10 short years!!!

    Dayum!!!!

    I’d stay single if I were you.

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  396. Doesn’t the fact that he (a pretty good-looking guy for an older politician) had this affair with an older, unattractive woman, and is now interested in raising their child together, disqualify him as an ‘alpha’?

    Wife, right. Mistress, left. http://www.usmagazine.com/files/hunter-edwards-b.jpg

    Also, have you ever seen the man on film? Squirrelly, obsequious. Awkward gestures. Smiles too much. Again, not seeing anything macho.

    I linger here because I am trying to make sense of what you consider logic, roissey. Please clarify.

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  397. on August 21, 2009 at 2:26 pm Comment_Whatever

    Dana said:

    doug there should never be child support without marriage for anyone ever PERIOD end of story

    outside the bonds of marriage men should have exactly ZERO duty towards a woman or any children she “chooses” to have with her precious “choice”.

    that’s really the only legal change we need to most of the bullshit–like i’ve said before, the sound of legs snapping shut all over the country would be deafening

    While I appreciate your berserk warrior-maiden attitude, Dana, it isn’t actually necessary to go that far.

    Simply make Child Support for children born out of wedlock one-half of that for children born in wedlock. That means both the man and the women pay for creating another single parent home and another traumatized child.

    That’ll fix-em BOTH.

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  398. Game is a toolkit — it can be used in various ways. Christians can use it, as well, to help generate and maintain attraction in Christian women

    I’d love to see you explain that one in depth just for the fun factor alone. I just can’t see good Christian men using game.

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  399. Andrew E, no one is saying there absolutely aren’t any good Christian women. But this is a No True Scotsman thing you are pushing. If they turn out to in fact be just like everyone else, they weren’t good Christians in the first place! What a pitfall.

    It’s not a factor of ardent faith either. I’ve known plenty of honestly faithful religious Christians (I’m from an Evangelical Christian background. I grew up on the outskirts of Baltimore, but my family is mostly from rural Virginia, and I’ve lived both lives). A recurrent theme I see from some of the most devoted Evangelicals is their ‘personal connection to God’. Their own misdeeds and sins are them being tested by Him, and they come through those tests even stronger Christians having learned from their repeated and habitual failures. Yay! It’s the perfect disavowal of personal responsibility.

    Mark Sanford is a pretty good example. He cheats on his wife, it was God testing him, he’s really sorry, he’s a better man and Christian now. He’s a more moral man, and closer to God for running around behind his wife in his own mind. Classic.

    You need to take a look around at our culture. Those demonic urban liberal SWPLs; the ‘pagan left’ are overwhelmingly Christian, even if they are usually of the milquetoast mainline Protestant variety. The whole SWPL blame shifting is straight out of Calvinist dogma; it’s just secularized now.

    Of course, Evangelicals don’t have the formal Calvinist structure to determine who is saved and what is required of them to seek repentance for their grievances. They just decide for themselves if they are saved, if their deeds damn them, and when they have sufficiently repented. Salvation not so Limited eh? Maybe it is in the afterlife, but not in the eye of the beholder in this world my friend. Anyone can justify anything if sufficiently self-deluded.

    A person that has an entire worldview, whose stake in life and eternity hereafter is built upon being a ‘good Christian’ isn’t likely to stop being a ‘good Christian’ no matter what they actually do.

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  400. What does Hope have to gain by being with a beta?

    The ability to secure the current and future wages of a beta male for the next forty years. Even if she’s self-sufficient, putting up with his beta quirks may be worth the extraction of 95% of his wages under the guise of a “family” and “loving relationship”.

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  401. Aoefe

    I also believe the divorce laws need to be amended to make it difficult for either party to leave.

    I’m of a more free market invisible hand bent, in that regard.

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  402. To those who say that polygamy makes egenic sense, you are wrong.

    Polygamy creates a genetic bottleneck and increases the likelihood if inbreeding. Two examples of where polygamy produced “overspecialized” races: west Africa and east Asia. West Africa overproduced the “large dumb thug” and east Asia the “docile eunuch nerd.” Clearly those are not the only kind of people that these regions produce, but the cliche exists for a reason, not the least being what we see with our own lying eyes.

    Arab and Turkish peoples also have serious inbreeding problems in some regions, in part stemming from the male-bottleneck effect.

    Europe’s monogamy and its attendant genetic diversity, on the other hand, produced all kinds: the big and the gracile, the stolid and the witty, the brilliant and the beautiful.

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  403. And yes, Doug – I agree with all your points and I was not sliding into glibness.

    I agree that women are executing social control. I don’t think the solution is to execute more social control over them. It’s war. War is good.

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  404. And if some no-chin, chubby, borderline retarded inbred Emir’s son with endocrine imbalance sires 25 children with his harem… is that an example of polygamy’s eugenics?

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  405. Pa ,”Polygamy creates a genetic bottleneck”

    Ya, evolution does that also.

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  406. I just read the rest of your post, PA. So, what is it, then? You want women to be faithful within their clan, or you want them to spurt a few of their kids from visiting foreigners?

    You think like a woman, justifying your morality from your emotional concerns.

    If you truly want a faithful wife, make it happen. Stop spouting morality about it.

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  407. on August 21, 2009 at 2:44 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Why is everyone debating traditional polygamy, when any woman can go to a sperm bank and get the sperm of a man with the highest combo of IQ + height + looks + genetic health? This is nothing new.

    She does not have to sleep with a man at all, yet the gene pool will be over-represented with the genes of sperm donors (such as myself).

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  408. West Africa overproduced the “large dumb thug” and east Asia the “docile eunuch nerd.”

    Fun Question: What happens if we breed Asians with Africans? There are already some Africans living and attending school in China, and the Chinese are rapidly increasing their investments into Africa for raw materials so it’s bound to happen…

    And if some no-chin, chubby, borderline retarded inbred Emir’s son with endocrine imbalance sires 25 children with his harem… is that an example of polygamy’s eugenics?

    Given that we’re into the third generation of broken ghetto families in the States, I’m almost tempted to wonder if similar effects are developing in this situation as well. There’s always the possibility that some ghetto thug’s children are breeding with each other since they have no idea of their paternal lineage and thus can not discern who is sibling or cousin in some cases.

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  409. Xsplat, our “clan” is big and internally-diverse enough to not need outsiders, many with inbred genes, entering it.

    And your question has the wrong frame. If a tride wants fresh outside blood, it’s the mens’ job to bring it in, ie foreigh brides. Women should always remain with their men.

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  410. on August 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm Black Military Man

    RE: that link about the current (false) rape allegation.

    The lying women are Egyptian Muslims. Does not surprise me.

    Arab women are some of the most licentious women I’ve ever met.

    Take Saudi Arabia for example. Sex segregation is enforced by law as is the full body niqab (cover). Nevertheless, these women risk even their lives to get some nookie on the side.

    Their husbands may have more than one wife, but many of them (the wives) have more than one lover. Their laws, their religion and their patrilineal, patriarchal, polygamous culture CANNOT keep these women from sneaking around and doing exactly what they want with whomever they want.

    You have to be very clever and secretive though, otherwise you end up in jail (at best) and dead (at worst).

    Was stationed there, that’s how I know.

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  411. PA “should”

    Woman speak.

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  412. on August 21, 2009 at 2:49 pm Black Military Man

    Sorry, forget the qoute from the link;

    “Mr. Pepper admitted he is going public about the case to try to press the women into dropping the issue.

    He’s also sent legal notice to the home of the women’s parents warning they will be sued.

    He said he could not explain why the women would invent the story, other than to point to their Muslim Egyptian origins and muse about how their family would feel about the alleged wild week.”

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  413. on August 21, 2009 at 2:52 pm Black Military Man

    “West Africa overproduced the “large dumb thug” and east Asia the “docile eunuch nerd.”

    Fun Question: What happens if we breed Asians with Africans? “…

    A race of high IQ guys with natural game. There is hope for humanity yet.

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  414. novaseeker,

    I reject the claim that Game is morally neutral. You cannot separate the wooing, the seducing, the attracting of women from the prospect or possibility of a long-term commitment, marriage, and remain on solid ground. In other words, Game must be used to further the goal of the natural and proper relation between man and woman, marriage, or it is illegitimate. There used to be a word for Game but which had the proper moral base, courting. To offer up Game as a strategy to attract women without the necessary link to the effort of building a long term relationship, ie. marriage, is not an amoral enterprise. De-linking Game or courtship from marriage is a destructive, liberal concept.

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  415. I reject the claim that Game is morally neutral. You cannot separate the wooing, the seducing, the attracting of women from the prospect or possibility of a long-term commitment, marriage, and remain on solid ground. In other words, Game must be used to further the goal of the natural and proper relation between man and woman, marriage, or it is illegitimate. There used to be a word for Game but which had the proper moral base, courting. To offer up Game as a strategy to attract women without the necessary link to the effort of building a long term relationship, ie. marriage, is not an amoral enterprise. De-linking Game or courtship from marriage is a destructive, liberal concept.

    Right. So when are we going to hear SOCONS railing against makeup, heels and attractive wardrobes for women?

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  416. If a tride wants fresh outside blood, it’s the mens’ job to bring it in, ie foreigh brides. Women should always remain with their men.

    Inductive Loop: If women must remain with their men, then how can men secure foreign wives if their women stay loyal to their native men?

    Mind you, you’re talking to somebody who thinks more black women should just date and marry white guys. This whole concept of staying loyal to your “tribe’s” men is utter bullshit to me.

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  417. Andrew, you are funny.

    I’m reminded of a science fiction story. Everyone had to take a pill that made them moral. One last man refused it. Because everyone trusted him, he got away with whatever he wanted.

    Learn game theory Andrew.

    There will always be sneaky fuckers. Your moral shame will never reach everyone.

    Who cares about shame? Weak people.

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  418. Nova – “Fair enough, but the already very high levels of CS, which have an alimony component, are more than enough, in my view.”

    I agree totally.

    @k

    I worked for a Christian ministry for three years. I produced a very large annual event which saw the top Christian musicians/bands and speakers. I was so disenchanted with organized religion after the experience. These artists/speakers often flew into our city with their own private planes and assistants. They had complicated, ego driven riders just like rock stars – even needing a certain brand of water in some cases. I’d see speakers, who I was the only contact for, stand up in front of 7,000 people and insist I’d asked them to speak about their newest book. It’s a business like any other. This convinced me that people in church and out are basically no different than one and other. Mind you truthfully I far prefer the group that doesn’t preach one thing and practice another. I do want to give a rubber stamp of approval for Henry Blackaby – Experiencing God – a remarkable man from what I witnessed of him personally. Sad that I can only think of one or two people who exhibited grace and honest conviction in the years I was involved at the top levels. This may all be tainted because the people I worked for were absolute a-holes when it came to how they valued their staff and I became jaded. I am aware their are great people of faith but I don’t think many who are involved at the top end. Just sayin…

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  419. on August 21, 2009 at 3:06 pm Comment_Whatever

    Andrew E said:

    novaseeker,

    I reject the claim that Game is morally neutral. You cannot separate the wooing, the seducing, the attracting of women from the prospect or possibility of a long-term commitment, marriage, and remain on solid ground. In other words, Game must be used to further the goal of the natural and proper relation between man and woman, marriage, or it is illegitimate. There used to be a word for Game but which had the proper moral base, courting. To offer up Game as a strategy to attract women without the necessary link to the effort of building a long term relationship, ie. marriage, is not an amoral enterprise. De-linking Game or courtship from marriage is a destructive, liberal concept.

    Congratulations, Andrew E, you’ve annoyed me.

    I’m curious as to how all those good Priests in the 1920s and 1930s managed to ‘decouple’ that deceptive booze artist, who has done more to spread the vile nectar of the grape than any other person ever born, from the demon-rum itself. And the Demon-Rum, the very tool of the devil, had to be stopped by Any Means Necessary. Including making it completely illegal. But what of the vile promoter of Demon Rum? He who whispers in every good Christian child’s ear of the sanctity of the Demon-Rum? What priest nobly drew his righteous sword and attempted to stop THAT monster?

    I am, of course, referring to Jesus Christ at the Last Supper.

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  420. Right. So when are we going to hear SOCONS railing against makeup, heels and attractive wardrobes for women?

    Or enforcing social standards on their kind instead of ‘forgiving’ everyone all the time. Turning the other cheek is all good and fine in moderation, but you still need to whip out the Scarlet Letter and burn a heretic from time to time or your just irrelevant.

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  421. Keep paying your taxes, Andrew. Love God. Trust your wife.

    And die like a good partisan.

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  422. on August 21, 2009 at 3:25 pm berserk warrior maiden

    i like it!

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  423. aoefe–

    I also believe the divorce laws need to be amended to make it difficult for either party to leave.

    When there are kids.

    Before kids, if the partners feel they’ve made a big mistake, I think they should get divorced. But then i think it should be treated like a living together split up, re: property division. Yes I feel the same way if she’s the one with a lot more money.

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  424. novaseeker,

    “Right. So when are we going to hear SOCONS railing against makeup, heels and attractive wardrobes for women?”

    Married women wear makeup, heels and attractive wardrobes to entice men other than their husband? Even if so, it’s only because men tolerate it.

    Comment_Whatever,

    “Congratulations, Andrew E, you’ve annoyed me.”

    Who cares.

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  425. Married women wear makeup, heels and attractive wardrobes to entice men other than their husband? Even if so, it’s only because men tolerate it.

    @ Andrew E —

    As I said, Game is also deployed by married men to entice their wives. Context and use is everything. Women can use makeup to entice other men or to entice their husband. The makeup itself is neutral. Game is the same. If you must condemn Game on moral grounds because it is capable of being misused, then you also must condemn makeup/heels/wardrobe/The_Rules/hair-twirling and so on on the same grounds.

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  426. From Sofia’s link:

    Mr. Pepper [attorney for the male defendants] admitted he is going public about the case to try to press the women into dropping the issue.

    He’s also sent legal notice to the home of the women’s parents warning they will be sued.

    He said he could not explain why the women would invent the story, other than to point to their Muslim Egyptian origins and muse about how their family would feel about the alleged wild week.

    The men are being treated well in jail and have received assistance from Canadian consular officials.

    They should be publicly humiliated as well for making the false accusations. Their names should be made public. If I was a friend of one of the guys, I’d seriously consider leaking their names e.g. on the internet.

    All rape shield laws should be sticken from the books.

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  427. BMM:

    A race of high IQ guys with natural game. There is hope for humanity yet.

    I’ve written about this before a.k.a. Tupac’s “Final Solution”

    David Alexander, predictably, shat on it in his typically negative pessimistic way.

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  428. Black Military Man

    Their husbands may have more than one wife, but many of them (the wives) have more than one lover. Their laws, their religion and their patrilineal, patriarchal, polygamous culture CANNOT keep these women from sneaking around and doing exactly what they want with whomever they want.

    You have to be very clever and secretive though, otherwise you end up in jail (at best) and dead (at worst).

    Was stationed there, that’s how I know.

    I seriously doubt it goes on very much.

    Rather I suspect it’s enormously talked about and exaggerated because it’s so shocking/surprising that it goes on at all in that culture, with it’s attitudes and penalties for women doing that. Or men doing it with married women.

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  429. novaseeker,

    I think our disconnect is here: Game is used to attract women, nothing more or less. It has no other function whether the woman is your wife, girlfriend or hookup. Makeup, heels and wardrobe have other uses for women than attracting men. The female essence is much more external and physical than man’s essence. It is in the female essence to be and look pretty and feminine. In a word, vanity, to the appropriate extent of course. So when a woman wears makeup or heels or pretty clothes she could be doing so to attract a mate (legitimate as long as she’s looking for something serious as almost all women are) or to simply be a woman, to be her essence. Context is everything. It’s illegitimate when a woman uses these things to attract men when she’s unavailable or not looking for anything serious (think of the unnecessarily revealing gym clothes most women wear, a slap in the face to the men around them. This should not be tolerated and I have heard conservatives talk about this, Auster has).

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  430. on August 21, 2009 at 3:48 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Doug,

    I can’t believe they are in jail thanks to this tripe. Truly shocking.

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  431. Black Military Man
    RE: that link about the current (false) rape allegation.

    The lying women are Egyptian Muslims. Does not surprise me.

    Arab women are some of the most licentious women I’ve ever met.

    Take Saudi Arabia for example. Sex segregation is enforced by law as is the full body niqab (cover). Nevertheless, these women risk even their lives to get some nookie on the side.

    Their husbands may have more than one wife, but many of them (the wives) have more than one lover. Their laws, their religion and their patrilineal, patriarchal, polygamous culture CANNOT keep these women from sneaking around and doing exactly what they want with whomever they want.

    You have to be very clever and secretive though, otherwise you end up in jail (at best) and dead (at worst).

    Was stationed there, that’s how I know.

    Have you ever fucked an Arab woman?If so,how was it?

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  432. Black Military Man

    Divorce and family court drags your butts all over the coals with one divorce, imagine 2 or 3 women divorcing you all within the span of 10 short years!!!

    Dayum!!!!

    I’d stay single if I were you.

    They do not have anything like our feminist divorce laws or property settlements in countries that allow formal polygamy.

    Feminist extremism makes sharia law look a lot more interesting.

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  433. on August 21, 2009 at 3:52 pm Black Military Man

    on August 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm Doug1
    From Sofia’s link:

    Mr. Pepper [attorney for the male defendants] admitted he is going public about the case to try to press the women into dropping the issue.

    He’s also sent legal notice to the home of the women’s parents warning they will be sued.

    He said he could not explain why the women would invent the story, other than to point to their Muslim Egyptian origins and muse about how their family would feel about the alleged wild week.

    The men are being treated well in jail and have received assistance from Canadian consular officials.

    They should be publicly humiliated as well for making the false accusations. Their names should be made public. If I was a friend of one of the guys, I’d seriously consider leaking their names e.g. on the internet.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Agreed. Especially since women post pics, names and personal info about their ex boyfriends who have merely slighted them on
    http://www.dontdatehimgirl.com
    in an effort to warn other women.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

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  434. I think our disconnect is here: Game is used to attract women, nothing more or less. It has no other function whether the woman is your wife, girlfriend or hookup.

    @Andrew E —

    First of all your idea that being attractive visually is the “essence of womanhood” in a way that being charming to women in a masculine way (Game) is not the essence of manhood is plain silly.

    But more importantly, where is the moral hazard of a man using Game to keep his wife attracted to him? I don’t know if you have been living under a rock in the past few decades, but one of the main issues driving divorce is spouses becoming unattracted to each other and in particular women “loving, but not being in love with” their husbands.

    Game is a tool that can strengthen marriages. You viscerally reject it due to misandrist ideas you have based on chivalry, as most social conservatives have. It’s why social conservatives have unwittingly advanced feminism, even as they insist they have not done so. Game is the remedy for that.

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  435. Doug, I agree that social approbation is a stick, and we need carrots and sticks.

    But women have access to anonymity. Is it a stick?

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  436. on August 21, 2009 at 3:56 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Feminist extremism makes sharia law look a lot more interesting.

    And the fact that Westerners are even thinking along these lines now, when the same guys 3 years ago would have been strongly opposed to Sharia, shows how extreme Misandry has gotten.

    Again, the great thing about extremists is that they always go too far, and court a backlash that does them in. Feminism is barrelling towards this cliff.

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  437. It is in the female essence to be and look pretty and feminine. In a word, vanity, to the appropriate extent of course. So when a woman wears makeup or heels or pretty clothes she could be doing so to attract a mate (legitimate as long as she’s looking for something serious as almost all women are) or to simply be a woman, to be her essence.

    Somebody is being naive…

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  438. on August 21, 2009 at 3:59 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Andrew E,

    Absolutely nothing you have written even begins to address that the COURTS, i.e. the STATE encourages women to leave their marriages to the detriment of children and society as a whole.

    You have not even admitted that in modern-day America, women have LEGAL incentives to do exactly the opposite of what Christianity wants.

    How will the church save you from the courts?

    Answer this question.

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  439. on August 21, 2009 at 4:07 pm Black Military Man

    1. Doug1: They do not have anything like our feminist divorce laws or property settlements in countries that allow formal polygamy.

    Feminist extremism makes sharia law look a lot more interesting.

    >>>>>>>>>

    The point is none of us men here are Asian Muslims and we are discussing polygamy from a post-modern Western perspective. You really think we are going to jump from where we are now to a medieval Asian form of polygamous marriage and divorce laws?

    Legalized plural marriage in the United States would be nothing short of a disaster for American men.

    There already are people practicing post-modern polyamory in the United States. Being that they do not enter into any legal contracts like marriage, they are safe, as far as a I know, as long as the men are careful not to get any of the women pregnant, coz, well child support. Men, watch your own backs!

    You men here would probably be surprised at how henpecked Arab men can be. And Muslim women can write anything they want into the nikah (marriage contract), including “you cannot take anymore wives” and, you can also bet your booty they cover themselves with regards to $$$$ if it comes to divorce.

    Arab women are clever. Muslim or no muslim.

    2. “Have you ever fucked an Arab woman?If so,how was it? ”

    Let me put it this way, an Arab women is amongst the few that can go face to face in a stand off with an African man.

    And the African man is exotified and sexualized in the psyche of the Arab woman (ever read Sheherazade’s tales in Arabian Nights?). Not a bad place to be stationed for a chocolate brother.

    Not bad place at all 😉

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  440. on August 21, 2009 at 4:12 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Agreed. Especially since women post pics, names and personal info about their ex boyfriends who have merely slighted them on
    http://www.dontdatehimgirl.com
    in an effort to warn other women.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    So why the fuck isn’t some male entrepreneur doing the same? Male entrepreneurs are extremely good at finding every other niche.

    I don’t think chivalry and Betatude are the answer to this question. Such a website could be done out of a foreign country as well.

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  441. on August 21, 2009 at 4:16 pm The Fifth Horseman

    You really think we are going to jump from where we are now to a medieval Asian form of polygamous marriage and divorce laws?

    No. But I do want Muslims to make enough inroads into the West that they start making demands that Muslims can follow Muslim laws in the West, if they choose. This will distract feminists away and force them to fight this, which will hopefully nullify both.

    We are not even a million miles from Islam taking over the West (Muslims are 1% of America’s population). I just want them to gain enough power to scare the piss out of feminOrcs. I never would have said this just 3 years ago. But now I am. Doug1 is floating the notion too.

    Britain already lets Muslims practice Sharia law in some cases. This is bad for Britain, of course, but it is a lot less bad for men than for lefto-feminists.

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  442. novaseeker,

    First, the essence of man is not be charming to women, it is much more than that–physically protective, leader of the relationship and yes, chivalrous (only to women who deserve it, which is much harder these days).

    What I reject is the idea that Game can be separated from the moral framework of serious relationships and marriage and remain morally neutral. No matter what the polygamy apologists say, man and woman are ideally meant to pair off together (evidenced by the fact that high civilization requires this). Therefore, to disseminate a skill set meant to help men attract women without telling them, as a principle, what it should be used for is destructive of society. It enables the current liberal order.

    I don’t have a problem with Game in a marriage. After all Game is a kind of subset of what we used to call, being a man.

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  443. The Fifth Horseman,

    “Answer this question.”

    Easy, find a woman who wouldn’t dare to initiate a divorce. See my previous comments about how one might go about this.

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  444. @ Andrew —

    So your problem is with Roissy and not Game. Fair enough. Why not just say that, then? Game exists in a much bigger way than Roissy, as big as his blog has become, does.

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  445. on August 21, 2009 at 4:32 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Andrew E,

    No matter what the polygamy apologists say, man and woman are ideally meant to pair off together (evidenced by the fact that high civilization requires this).

    Ideally, yes, but the divorce laws create unnatural incentives against this. The ‘feminist revolution’ was actually a devolution that mimics the norms of pre-civilized times.

    Easy, find a woman who wouldn’t dare to initiate a divorce. See my previous comments about how one might go about this.

    There is no US-born non-Muslim woman in America who would not ‘dare’ initiate divorce. You are still clinging to wishful hope and sermonizing, with to recognition that the courts and judicial system is infinitely more powerful than the church.

    Your goal is a good one, but you have so totally misdiagnosed the problem that you are ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Tell you what, go to a feminist blog like feministing.org, and try to preach the same thing there. See what they say.

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  446. I’ve written about this before a.k.a. Tupac’s “Final Solution”

    David Alexander, predictably, shat on it in his typically negative pessimistic way.

    I don’t remember this…

    Nova, I’m still waiting for an explanation as to how one can reconcile game and Christianity…

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  447. What I reject is the idea that Game can be separated from the moral framework of serious relationships and marriage and remain morally neutral. No matter what the polygamy apologists say, man and woman are ideally meant to pair off together (evidenced by the fact that high civilization requires this). Therefore, to disseminate a skill set meant to help men attract women without telling them, as a principle, what it should be used for is destructive of society. It enables the current liberal order.

    The problem with this is that, again, it singles men out.

    Women use makeup for various reasons. Men use game for various reasons. Women are taught makeup application to attract males. Is it generally taught in a moral framework? No.

    This highlights the problem you SOCONS have: you hold men to a standard to which you do not hold women, due to chivalry and misguided ideas of male responsibility. And so you bash men when they develop a mechanism like Game, while you let women slide for their makeup and their wardrobe and The Rules and so on. You embrace chivalry to your core, and its bias against men (men are the problem, not women, per almost ALL social conservatives) and its tilt toward women.

    As long as you continue to embrace this vision, you will continue to be irrelevant for most men. There are coalitions that are possible, but not on the basis of man-blaming. If men want that, we can go to the feminists.

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  448. on August 21, 2009 at 4:41 pm The Fifth Horseman

    This highlights the problem you SOCONS have: you hold men to a standard to which you do not hold women, due to chivalry and misguided ideas of male responsibility. And so you bash men when they develop a mechanism like Game, while you let women slide for their makeup and their wardrobe and The Rules and so on. You embrace chivalry to your core, and its bias against men (men are the problem, not women, per almost ALL social conservatives) and its tilt toward women.

    As long as you continue to embrace this vision, you will continue to be irrelevant for most men. There are coalitions that are possible, but not on the basis of man-blaming. If men want that, we can go to the feminists.

    These are superb paragraphs, novaseeker.

    Being a social conservative is more and more become just as self-damaging as being a Jewish Nazi.

    Andrew E continues to avoid answering the question about how Christian sermonizing can have any possible effect against a court system that encourages exactly the opposite. His only answer was the laughable “find a woman who would be too afraid to get a divorce”

    Then again, I have always wondered how some super-religious guys end up marrying the ugliest possible women, yet are thrilled at the prospect and truly have convinced themselves that the woman is beautiful. Maybe religion is about hypnotizing men into seeing the ugliest women as beautiful, which is the core of Andrew E’s goal.

    Now certain things make sense. I always wondered how highly religious guys could be so proud about marrying 1s and 2s.

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  449. novaseeker,

    “So your problem is with Roissy and not Game. Fair enough. Why not just say that, then? Game exists in a much bigger way than Roissy, as big as his blog has become, does.”

    Not entirely. Game, severed from its moral implications will inevitably lead to Roissyism. If gaming skills are morally neutral, then man is just material and if man is just material he can do nothing except indulge his animal desires. The whole seduction community, with its talk of moral neutrality, leads to Roissyism. Roissyism is not rebellion, it is liberalism’s finished product.

    “And so you bash men when they develop a mechanism like Game”

    The only people I bash are pathetic, secular “beta” males and those who push Game for non-traditionalist ends or no ends at all. I fully understand that women are the proximate cause of our social collapse but that ultimate responsibility must lie with our men, since men are the civilization builders. Whatever happens in our society happens because men allow it to happen.

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  450. Comment Whatever

    While I appreciate your berserk warrior-maiden attitude, Dana, it isn’t actually necessary to go that far.

    Simply make Child Support for children born out of wedlock one-half of that for children born in wedlock. That means both the man and the women pay for creating another single parent home and another traumatized child.

    That’ll fix-em BOTH.

    No comment whatever.

    Unacceptable.

    There’s every reason to go “THAT FAR”, as Dana and I and a whole lot of others on here advocate. That is to state mandate no child support whatsoever to women who don’t marry and can’t negotiate it from willing men.

    The fact is that most single mothers WANTED to become single mothers, while virtually NO single fathers wanted that. Women have Plan B, abortion and leaving the kid at a hospital or firehouse or giving it up more formally for adoption as their post coital options. Further almost all methods of birth control are within the sole knowledge and control of women, save the one that’s most pleasure limiting.

    No it’s the sluts than have to be dissuaded from being single mothers. It’s pure indentured servitude for the state to make men pay for children they didn’t want.

    It’s women that are the gatekeepers of sex, particularly these days. Make them take the responsibility, rather than be able to get ambush pregnancy child support=alimony off of affluent (or rich) men.

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  451. The Fifth Horseman,

    Not Christian, per se. Not married. Nice try.

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  452. Game, severed from its moral implications will inevitably lead to Roissyism.

    As makeup/wardrobe/heels/surgery/The_Rules will lead inevitably to sluttism. Get at the women folk. Oh, but you can’t do that because of this:

    I fully understand that women are the proximate cause of our social collapse but that ultimate responsibility must lie with our men, since men are the civilization builders. Whatever happens in our society happens because men allow it to happen.

    Bullshit.

    Here is a dose of reality for you: men display and women choose. That is the reality of the sexual marketplace. Did (elite) men collaborate with women to reset this to make it a free market that favors de facto polygyny? Sure they did. But they are less than 5% of men. And you hold the rest responsible for it. Such shameless nonsense.

    Women control mating under the *current*system. You can believe all you want about men controlling the system, and perhaps men did in bygone eras, but today women control it. To tell disempowered men that they need to reassert control over this is like telling a child to place his hand in a fan. It’s irresponsible and reprehensible. Men of your ilk have created the legions of “walking dead” divorced men.

    If you want to attack the men responsible, attack the men at the top. The rest of men? Oh yes we should be martyrs, opposing the culture and so on. Pfft. We’ll let you do that, while we do what we like, thank you very much, knowing full well that the result will be the same either way.

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  453. Doug: You should listen to Welmer. I’m so oozing with sexuality* that I clearly am any iffy LTR prospect for the normal man. I am not appropriate for any run-of-the-mill muslim man anyway. None of them can manage me and my drama anyway. You know what this means, I’m afraid. It’s too late for me there, really. What can you do? Let’s not deceive ourselves.

    xsplat: Well, no, I don’t want to spend his money. If anything, I indirectly spend on him. What does that make him? e-pimp? I fully sympathise with the ‘it doesn’t count’ view even though feelings might be real.

    But you know. Implementing it in real life. Insane consequences. So I understand his decision not to for the time being, rationally.

    Nicole: Little old lady?! Ridiculous!The Prophet PBUH without modern technology available to him founded a religion and an empire starting at forty years of age. LIVE IT UP PROPERLY! Forty and when the kids are grown is time to properly explore the world. You’ve got ages yet until ‘old’.

    CC: Never claimed to be a genius. The only way to learn for me is to put out my ideas and have someone tell me what’s wrong with them. Instead of letting them fester inside me in a put of unchanging stubborn stupidity. I have the questions, not the answers. Some teachers are harsher than others but I generally am open to and like being schooled.

    BMM: Some men still screw themselves over by free will instead of legally mandated being screwed over. The difference is whether you’ve chosen it or not. That said, I think you can see much more in Arab culture from your perspective than from the position I’m in, which is being immersed in it.

    *[apparently typically Arabian, who knew?]

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  454. novaseeker,

    Who delegitimized the old social order? Feminists? Who gave the feminists power? Women voters? Who gave women the vote? Women?

    “Sure they did. But they are less than 5% of men. And you hold the rest responsible for it.”

    Who gives these 5% of men power? You’re telling me 95% of men in this country have absolutely no choice but to dance to the tune of the top 5%? Fatalism is for chicks.

    Also, stop calling secular, beta males, men.

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  455. K wrote:

    ” At best, what we love in ourselves they are ambivalent to; at worst what they love in us we loathe in ourselves”

    Man Ive found that to be so true.

    I appreciate you comment regarding my comment. Interesting take indeed and much to consider.

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  456. on August 21, 2009 at 5:31 pm Black Military Man

    “There is no US-born non-Muslim woman in America who would not ‘dare’ initiate divorce.”

    For a non-muslim Indian you seem to be very pro-muslim, which is odd, unless you are one of those desi liberals with “hindu guilt” (equivalent to the white guilt complex that white American liberals seem to have).

    The fact is, a Muslim woman who is a United States citizen has all the rights of a divorced woman in the United States.

    Besides that, Islam has always allowed divorce and in fact, that is one of its calling cards to women converts. That Islam gave women rights to divorce and other things that they did not have before the birth of Islam.

    Divorce in the middle-east is common.

    The culture with the least divorce statistically is Hindu culture.

    The religion that does not allow any divorce is in fact – Hinduism, not Islam.

    Nevertheless, by US and even Indian law, some Hindus do divorce, but it is rare.

    PS: Indian women are extremely inhibited and shy in the bedroom compared to Arab women. That comment goes out to the guy who asked me if I’d ever been with an Arab woman.

    Arabs are the wildest out of all the ethnic groups I’ve been with.

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  457. @ BMM

    Arabs from whcih country?

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  458. Arabs are the wildest out of all the ethnic groups I’ve been with.

    Pardon? Wild how? Let’s start making distinctions. Which specific Arab countries?

    Details! No Arab male/female can be trusted to tell me these things.

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  459. on August 21, 2009 at 5:40 pm Black Military Man

    “Arabs from which country?”

    Saudi. Pure freaks.

    Spreading out from there they get slightly less freaky, but still, the freakiest.

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  460. Nova:

    First of all your idea that being attractive visually is the “essence of womanhood” in a way that being charming to women in a masculine way (Game) is not the essence of manhood is plain silly.

    I bet Andrew E is the type of guy who believes it when women say they go to clubs “just to dance, and not get hit on by guys.”

    What the women really mean by that is, “I dress up and go to clubs just to dance when all the men there are betas. If an ALPHA knocks at her door, all bets are off, as anyone with experience can tell you.

    Kind of like the famous SNL “sexual harassment” skit which shows how women don’t want sexual harassment from BETAS, only from alphas. But the women don’t mention THAT part.

    Or like all the feminist caterwauling over the wage gap between men and women — when what they are in fact complaining about is a result of comparing themselves to the elite 10% of guys, the CEO’s and such.

    Or the feminsts who turn a blind eye to the homewrecking behavior of hypergamous females as they simultaneously point fingers at super sucessfull alphas who dump their wives for younger models or have mistresses on the side — something only the very fortunate few can afford.

    Many have complained about how women say one thing yet do another. They say women are duplicitous, as if women aren’t telling the truth.

    Well, they ARE telling the truth. It’s just that THEIR truth is a bifurcated one, split between alphas and betas. But they never publically make this distinction.

    When more men incorporate this hidden subtext towards understanding most women’s complaints and proposals, it all starts to make much more sense.

    Of course women will emply all manner of sophistry to deny that they see the world as “alpha-beta.”

    That would just be…uncivilized.

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  461. Tupac

    Andrew: So when a woman wears makeup or heels or pretty clothes she could be doing so to attract a mate (legitimate as long as she’s looking for something serious as almost all women are) or to simply be a woman, to be her essence.

    Somebody is being naive…

    Girls get a lot of sexual charge out of feeling attractive and desired by other men Tupac. It’s doesn’t necessarily mean they really want to cheat.

    I always encourage my live together women to look elegantly sexy when going out and about, esp. when they’re doing it with me. I like showing them off. I like other men wanting them.

    I also like her knowing doing anything about it is totally not on. And I like her wanting me to feel that kind of possessive about her. Yes that’s right feminists, possessive.

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  462. Tupac

    What the women really mean by that is, “I dress up and go to clubs just to dance when all the men there are betas. If an ALPHA knocks at her door, all bets are off, as anyone with experience can tell you.

    Not when you’re an alpha yourself and she’s a good girl and committed to you.

    Of course I’m not down with this “girls night out” thing at all. I’m especially not down with it if it involves hitting clubs and bars, etc.

    Ain’t happening with any LTR gf of mine. Not to mention wife.

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  463. I’ve written about this before a.k.a. Tupac’s “Final Solution”

    David Alexander, predictably, shat on it in his typically negative pessimistic way.

    I don’t remember this…

    Simple.

    Asian men are getting the shit end of the stick in the global sexual marketplace.

    Africans and African Americans are largely useless and merely a source of social dysfunction.

    What we do is forcibly move all blacks and Chinese to Africa where they interbreed — at gunpoint if need be.

    We do this for several generations before they are allowed back into the States.

    This breeding experiment will temper the black’s aggressive and impulsive tendencies, as well as raising their IQ points a bit. The Chinese will have absorbed the blacks higher testosterone and will be made more robust. Maybe they will have some style too.

    And the resulting Asian/Black hybrid chicks will be fucking HOT, man.

    Sure, the Asian’s higher IQ will be somewhat attenuated, but upon their reintroduction to American society, it’s likely they would still score above the median.

    I have another Final Solution plan that involves forcibly moving American Jews and Hispanics to a similar breeding colony, where the Mestizo IQ will be raised, and Jewish neuroticism and ugliness will be ameliorated, but that’s for another post.

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  464. Doug:

    Not when you’re an alpha yourself and she’s a good girl and committed to you.

    Of course I’m not down with this “girls night out” thing at all.

    That’s what I’m talking about Doug, girls going out by themselves.

    I was referring to the common rejoinder by women when men try to hit on women at clubs, and when the women don’t like it (cuz the guy is beta), they all trot out the tired excuse about women just “like to go out” to “dance.”

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  465. Bhetti

    But you know. Implementing it in real life. Insane consequences. So I understand his decision not to for the time being, rationally.

    Everyone has thoughts, Bhetti. Some of us have had bouts of obsessive compulsion. Which, we are told, activates the same areas of the brain that love does.

    It’s a pulse in your head.

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  466. Look, a poster on your wall of an idol is only sane if it’s age appropriate.

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  467. K,

    This is gold:

    “The qualities that men see in their fathers, or other male role models and wish to emulate; and the lessons of virtue they receive from their mothers and sisters, and what they are told ad naseum that women desire at every corner are all bullshit. That is at the core of the disenfranchisement of the modern male. Those values and beliefs that they hold as good and right and true; that they adore in their role models; that they have thoroughly internalized are largely unattractive to women. They have to learn the hard way that at the very least on some visceral, subconscious level women are attracted to practically the exact opposite of what most men want to be. The cognitive dissonance resulting in being inculcated in a cult of lies by an entire culture complicit by its blindness to it all is absolutely staggering.

    It’s literally psychologically damaging to go out and do and be everything that you have been taught is wrong your entire life to achieve any kind of bonding or relationship. This path of deception that has us doubling back on all of our romantic notions of love results in all of the pathological behavior you see before you; the deferential, the apathetic, the self-loathing, the angry”

    that might be the most succint yet comprehensive encapsulation Ive seen.

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  468. I agree, Z, and I was tempted to repeat K’s writing in a quote.

    But it’s the stages of grief, isn’t it? Acceptance comes.

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  469. Black Military Man

    Divorce in the middle-east is common.

    The right of divorce isn’t nearly so much the issue as what financial consequences follow from the woman exercising that right. As well, who gets the kids. If she remarries, he does. if they are older, he does. If they are younger, she does, though I believe he has a lot of rights re them.

    I frankly DETEST American feminist culture and domestic matriarchy. I haven’t remarried in well over a decade to be free of that system. I’m currently happily living with a 2nd gen Italian girl who’s way too young for me, and have been through several catting around and live together situations before this post divorce. Hell no I’d never have a non prenup marriage again. Out of the question.

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  470. xsplat: clearly am nowhere near sane.

    Everything we do has been scientifically reduced to a pulse in our heads and in the nerves, including being alive.

    I’m happy with which impulses I’m indulging right now and the endless multitude that I haven’t. The definition of a harmful obsession is that it limits you, whereas a healthy obsession is what we call passion and genius. This one’s been good for me.

    But you’re touching on some truth that I should probably listen to. If I had that power, which I can’t seem to summon. Too late, isn’t it? Prevention’s always been the best cure.

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  471. xsplat

    What the fuck is the matter with you?

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  472. Go for it Bhetti. The hotties I’ve dated have all been advised that I was not prudent.

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  473. @ Doug: What?

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  474. Doug… you value cyber love.

    I don’t.

    We disagree about it.

    I find your type of love childish and even distasteful.

    Would you like to have a conversation about that?

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  475. on August 21, 2009 at 6:27 pm The Fifth Horseman

    BMM,

    For a non-muslim Indian you seem to be very pro-muslim, which is odd, unless you are one of those desi liberals with “hindu guilt” (equivalent to the white guilt complex that white American liberals seem to have).

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Observe some more before making a guess like that, because you have missed by a mile. I upbraid Indian culture quite severely here, almost as severely as I slam the left.

    Doug1 said : Feminist extremism makes sharia law look a lot more interesting.

    So are you going to draw all sorts of weird extrapolations about that as well?

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  476. on August 21, 2009 at 6:28 pm The Fifth Horseman

    i.e. is Black MM about to make weird extrapolations about Doug1, based on Doug1’s sentence? That is the question.

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  477. Who delegitimized the old social order? Feminists? Who gave the feminists power? Women voters? Who gave women the vote? Women?

    “Sure they did. But they are less than 5% of men. And you hold the rest responsible for it.”

    Who gives these 5% of men power? You’re telling me 95% of men in this country have absolutely no choice but to dance to the tune of the top 5%? Fatalism is for chicks.

    Also, stop calling secular, beta males, men.

    So then no-one is responsible.

    Not women because they don’t count.

    Not “secular, beta males” because they are not even men, never mind that they also don’t count.

    Seems like the only people left to blame are people like YOU, Andrew, non-secular, beta males. You are to blame for this mess. And you have no way to fix it. Do you see why the rest of us are laughing at you?

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  478. on August 21, 2009 at 6:33 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    “What we do is forcibly move all blacks and Chinese to Africa where they interbreed — at gunpoint if need be.”

    Tupac = the modern day Dr. Moreau

    I might suggest that the Chinese should outnumber the blacks by 2:1, to get the best proportions.

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  479. xsplat

    Doug… you value cyber love.

    I don’t.

    We disagree about it.

    I find your type of love childish and even distasteful.

    Would you like to have a conversation about that?

    Yeah well butt the fuck out asshole.

    It’s supplemental to me to a living together great relationship, and some occasional other (open, permitted) playing.

    For her it works with her well bred Arab Muslim determination that she must be technically chaste until marriage, and doesn’t want to temp fate too much either.

    So just go fuck off.

    In fact lots of people have had very meaningful cyber relationships that sometimes converted to rl.

    Often women first explore D/s through online. That happens a lot and a lot of times does convert to rl. I had one that did convert. Even though I really haven’t had many online relationships.

    I did had another than was pretty wild. As in she became my directed super D/s slut. Yeah, and that was after i won her as my bitch only, really, after she started getting all exhibitionist about semi nude and then nude photos for attention on a live journal blog. She had maybe 100 followers when I came in. I just stumbled on it. I guess I was fairly early but it was two weeks in. She became my directed bitch and no one else’s. Drove other guys wild with jealousy. Though also a lot of admirers. How it ended was also a trip.

    That was a few years ago and also supplemental to a living together relationship. A different one.

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  480. on August 21, 2009 at 6:51 pm msexceptiontotherule

    John Edwards should have at least shown Elizabeth (wife #1) the respect and common decency to keep his extramarital dalliances quiet enough so that they weren’t always in her face wherever she goes. A simple decision to wear a condom would have protected him and her both from more than just std’s. If it weren’t for the women going to the press, Clinton could very well have been able to leave office without a media circus about his numerous infidelities. He just wasn’t very good at picking women who would not decide to write a book about their lives, file a sexual harassment suit, or get a dress dry cleaned and avoided having personal conversations with co-workers. I’d probably go as far as to say that if you plan on running for any public offices or other positions where everything about your life is going to be potentially accessible to the general public, it’s not the best time to have an affair – particularly if you don’t want to have your political career jeopardized.
    And is it just me, or is some of the problem created by these “other women/homewrecker/mistress/paramour” types? It’s not as if they can claim they didn’t know that they were involved with married men – which is also true with those involved with non-celebrity/public figure types. It’s pretty much guaranteed that a time will come where they find out that they have been treated the same way as the person before them; is it that difficult to understand that they’re causing someone else to be hurt because of their actions, which is something most normal people would be ashamed of? If it was already established that the relationship was an open one, where everyone involved agreed to the arrangements, that may be a different story…but a lack of fidelity is something that may be acceptable to some, but repugnant to others. If I were dying, for absolute certain – people have been told they were dying but took a really really long time to actually die – I don’t suppose it would be fair to expect a person to not seek companionship that I was no longer capable of through to the very end. If it were to be made obvious to everyone around what was going on, I wouldn’t die all by myself – and the woman would need to have a burial plot of her own somewhere not next to me & the mr. If I had to hire someone to do it, it would still happen & yes, I’m that crazy.
    Maybe it’s too much for some people to expect a person they’re in a LTR/marriage with to be faithful & mutually fulfilling all of both parties’ needs. I suppose one would need to actually want to do so, put an effort into doing so, and recognize that nothing worth having is going to be easy to acquire.

    “Women who have slept with more than 3 guys should lie about their numbers and spend a lot of time practicing their best ‘game face’/’I’m not lying cues”.

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  481. on August 21, 2009 at 6:55 pm Black Military Man

    Fifth Horseman: “I upbraid Indian culture quite severely here, almost as severely as I slam the left. ”

    Me: That’s what I mean. Liberal Indian Hindus do that out of guilt.

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  482. Ok, Doug, fantasy can lead to reality, so there is no difference.

    Whatever.

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  483. “Seems like the only people left to blame are people like YOU, Andrew, non-secular, beta males. You are to blame for this mess. And you have no way to fix it. Do you see why the rest of us are laughing at you?”

    ZING muthafucka Z I N G!

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  484. Ok this has to be repeated, again……..and again

    “The qualities that men see in their fathers, or other male role models and wish to emulate; and the lessons of virtue they receive from their mothers and sisters, and what they are told ad naseum that women desire at every corner are all bullshit. That is at the core of the disenfranchisement of the modern male. Those values and beliefs that they hold as good and right and true; that they adore in their role models; that they have thoroughly internalized are largely unattractive to women. They have to learn the hard way that at the very least on some visceral, subconscious level women are attracted to practically the exact opposite of what most men want to be. The cognitive dissonance resulting in being inculcated in a cult of lies by an entire culture complicit by its blindness to it all is absolutely staggering.

    It’s literally psychologically damaging to go out and do and be everything that you have been taught is wrong your entire life to achieve any kind of bonding or relationship. This path of deception that has us doubling back on all of our romantic notions of love results in all of the pathological behavior you see before you; the deferential, the apathetic, the self-loathing, the angry”

    Brilliant.

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  485. Thanks, funky. When I read it the first time it didtn’t have meaning. You made it real.

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  486. Anytime pal, anytime.

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  487. Fucking critics, assuming social commentary is an addition.

    Write your own essay, and write your own commentatry, you cut and paste essayist.

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  488. @ Andrew E-

    What are you talking about?

    The Barna group study in 1999 (and every study since then) found conservative Christians have a significantly HIGHER divorce rate than any other group including agnostics and atheists. I was raised in fundamentalist churches in several countries, and infidelity and divorce were just as common there as anywhere else.

    I think you’re talking out of your ass re: Game and Christianity.

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  489. race thread!!!!!!!!

    chinese+african

    there is controversy about the men with that ancestry, bt the women would be certainly the ugliets on earth

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  490. Where I live there are many people with one Chinese or Korean parent (large immigrant population) and one black (African-American) parent. Usually the kids are much better-looking than their parents.

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  491. gig–

    On the other hand, since we’re doing these final solution totally unrealistic thought experiments, we could contemplate what the world would be like if all 50% or more sub Saharan black ancestry people just expired tomorrow.

    What would the losses be, once sports teams adjusted, and so on. Yes add in the music losses.

    And what would the pluses be?

    How would it all add up, for the remaining races of the world? E.g. in America. Or Brazil?

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  492. If the First World’s charity plug is pulled on any and all Africans around the world (medicine, sanitation, food delivery) — and they are just left alone as is — the world’s black population would be about a quarter of what it is now within three generations. Likely with eugenic effects.

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  493. “medicine, sanitation, food delivery”

    Most important charity: preservation and enforcement of civil order.

    Whites (of all ahades) and East Asians: the only races that are capable of sustaining and increasing their present numbers without another race’s help.

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  494. How would it all add up, for the remaining races of the world? E.g. in America. Or Brazil?

    My old man spent some time in Brazil in the late 1960s; work-related. Fell in love with the country, still so to this day. He’s been re-visiting Rio every couple of years over the past decade. Say’s he’d retire there yesterday if not for his grandkids being in the US.

    Growing up as a kid in in early 1970s commie Warsaw, I constantly heard Roberto Carlos and other Brazilian records. “A Montanha” is still one of my favorite all time songs.

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  495. PA

    I said 50% or more for a reason.

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  496. I think you’re talking out of your ass re: Game and Christianity.

    Of course he is.

    But that goes against his belief system. So for him a non-starter.

    But clearly stupid. SOCONS are dinosaurs. The culture has moved beyond them. Not beyond conservatism, mind you, but beyond this dumb., traditionalist, narrow, unrealistic idea of it.

    Biological conservatism. That is the future.

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  497. Doug – the 50% – some broad-strokes “formula” you have in mind?

    I was thinking of famine, disease, violence, and childbirth deaths decimating blacks unplugged from white life support. (I am NOT sayng I endorse this, I’m just observing.)

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  498. Aid to Africa lines the pockets of aid organizations, special interest groups, and politicians. But it does little for the common people in African countries. Take it away, the rich would be poorer and the poor would be about the same, and still breeding.

    Recommended reading:
    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/presssite/metadata.epl?isbn=9780226468389

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  499. Transplanting Africans from their continent to other continents in large numbers is the biggest disaster in history of humanity. Only an asteroid wiping out all human life would top that.

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  500. Transplanting Africans from their continent to other continents in large numbers is the biggest disaster in history of humanity.

    Thank you. I feel so appreciated.

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  501. DA – notice I said IN LARGE NUMBERS. Quit being a drama queen. Are you personally a slouching, ugly ghetto piece of trash who drives around with shit-rap thumping for a mile radius? If not, then you are very appreciated.

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  502. If the First World’s charity plug is pulled

    As some have noted, since so little aid gets to the local populace, I’d question whether or not it would have severe impacts. On the other hand, given the work done directly by varying volunteers in setting up clinics, running water, and other basic functions, it is possible that you’d see a sizable population decline*. Mind you, I don’t see an eugenic effect occurring since it never occurred before the Europeans began colonization. If the environment didn’t encourage higher IQ before, reverting to a “natural” state isn’t going to encourage it either.

    *Life expectancy in some African states have fallen with population growth stalling due to widespread AIDS infection.

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  503. Mind you, I don’t see an eugenic effect occurring since it never occurred before the Europeans began colonization.

    America had an opportunity to raise blacks above their african standards. Pre-1960s blacks had self-suffiecient economies, religion, and families. An average black man today might be like you or Obsidian – smart, cool, good to relate to.

    But Democrats’ welfare policies fucked it all up. Money to single mothers caused an explosion of borderline retard 70-IQ thuglets. And fat bestial shaniquas.

    Throw in the Democrats’ ideology of black victimology (notice how they loathe Clarence Thomas, who does not believe in black victimology) and a gimme mentality, and there ya go. An Africa in the First World.

    It could have been different. I hate the Left.

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  504. PA: Are we merely restricting this to Africans or does this exercise include the African diaspora?

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  505. Both. In the diaspora, people like you wold do OK, provided you fended off other blacks successfully. But inner cities would become self-decimated.

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  506. Pre-1960s blacks had self-suffiecient economies, religion, and families.

    One could argue that some of that was artificially inflated due to the inability of black to use white versions of services. Once blacks could use their buying power to acquire goods and services from whites, the need for the black equivalents in some cases disappeared.

    It could have been different. I hate the Left.

    Sans welfare, I suspect that one would run into a problem where the average IQ is still too low to be of any use in our modern economy, especially if manufacturing is off-shored to areas with cheaper labour costs. You’ll have a bunch of unemployable men and semi-employable women, which changes the situation slightly where instead of a unmarried welfare mother, you’ll simply have an unmarried, but employed single mom who dates criminals.

    In the diaspora, people like you wold do OK, provided you fended off other blacks successfully.

    Dude, only the strong would survive. I’d be dead instantly. My younger brother wouldn’t have much time either. I don’t carry an AK-47, and I’m too weak to defend myself in a fight, and my “oreo” demeanour and small frame makes me an easy target.

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  507. My racism — and all white people’s — would be at 0.5% of what it is now if not for: rap, cornrows (which look reptilian), and obsession with white women. And the scowling faces on the Metro. Notice that I didn’t say “crime.” We can do crime too. Absent PC laws, whites can fight fire with fire.

    But speaking of scowling faces, I swear it wasn’t always like that. I recall knowing black adults in my early teens in the early 1980s when I first came to the US. They were funky and cool, and always fun to chat with. Jheri curls, handlebar moustaches. Friendly, either showing off their big screen TV (they debuted circa 1983 and had those three colored lamps) or shooting the shit about the Redskins. I recall the PC explosion of early 90s infusing blacks with an attitude they didn’t have earlier.

    If I had more motivation and creativity I’d start a blog called “Where did all the cool black people go?” I’d post vintage pics of Too Tall Jones and Fat Albert.

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  508. cornrows

    I hate cornrows too. It turns decent looking girls into monsters, while turning men into monsters. My mom and I basically paid our nephew to cut his hair and dump the cornrows, and now he’s a bit more presentable when I take him out in public.

    obsession with white women

    “Your women are pretty and sweet. Ours, less so.”

    But speaking of scowling faces, I swear it wasn’t always like that.

    I’d almost wonder if that was your youth and innocence and limited exposure covering up experiences with what some would call “angry” blacks. Of course, one could argue that optimistic blacks of an earlier era just end up becoming bitter in the future.

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  509. on August 21, 2009 at 9:58 pm Black Military Man

    Actually PA, I prefer cornrows over Jheri Curls coz at least corn rows are natural. However, I’ve never sported them. I only like them on women and children. My girls both had them when they were small. Much easier for my wife to deal with.

    Rap, by rap you mean “hip hop”.

    Rap is the poetry, hip hop is the instrumentals.

    Commercial hip hop is made for young white males.

    Most young black males listen to non-commercial hip hop.

    Us older black folk listen to old school music – sometimes some old school “conscious” hip hop, but mostly other genres.

    Cool black people are still here. We are 40 plus.

    We still have the best manners out of anyone in the United States with our yes ma’ams and no sirs, military training or not.

    Our mamas beat it into us.

    Young black mothers these days are influenced by post-modern PC child-rearing methods and that’s why a lot of their kids grow up to be monsters. Same goes for white kids.

    The majority of black men date and marry black women, or at least shack up with them.

    Black men who marry or shack up with white women are still a small minority.

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  510. David Alexander–

    You aren’t remotely good enough for an attractive white woman.

    You should kill yourself.

    Or someone should help you in that worthy project.

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  511. on August 21, 2009 at 10:58 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Whites (of all ahades) and East Asians: the only races that are capable of sustaining and increasing their present numbers without another race’s help.

    South Asians are not dependent on any other race for population growth or survival. India does not get aid the way Africa does. Yet, India has more children under the age of 15 today than any other country in the world (including China). The Indian diaspora is also 30 million people, and are at the top of the economic ladder in virtually all the countries they live in (US, UK, Canada, Malaysia, South Africa).

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  512. on August 22, 2009 at 12:26 am Virginia Gentleman

    novaseeker:

    If indeed we (that is, the social conservatives) have been surpassed, then I would suggest that it’s for the worse, if not worst. Meanwhile, thanks for the compliments! I hadn’t been called dumb, traditionalist, narrow or unrealistic lately, and I was wondering if we as a group had lost our edge.

    I’d prefer the term “sunk beneath” as opposed to “moved beyond”; it seems to more accurately convey the culture as we find it. Also, what the devil is biological conservatism, policy strongly influenced by HBD or what?

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  513. Historical destiny is sheer superstition

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  514. You should kill yourself.

    You first, beta.

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  515. PA, cornrows and braids may not be your cup of tea, but hating on them just makes you look silly. We don’t braid our hair just because of how it looks. We do it for the same reason European women do, which is partly to keep the hair from being unruly and full of parasites.

    Cornrows look less ridiculous than hairweaves and burning one’s head with chemicals just to look like a dressed up porcupine.

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  516. If black people spoke and behaved exactly like white people, how much less racism do you suppose there would be? Imagine if the ONLY difference between blacks and whites was indeed their appearance.

    Compare them to 2nd generation (or more) Asians, who usually do speak and behave almost exactly like white people. Not many whites have it in for Asians, do they?

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  517. MuMin Seeks FAAAAAT WumIn:

    “What we do is forcibly move all blacks and Chinese to Africa where they interbreed — at gunpoint if need be.”

    Tupac = the modern day Dr. Moreau

    You might say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

    Just follow Tupac’s Final Solution, and the world will live as One.

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  518. Katto:

    If black people spoke and behaved exactly like white people, how much less racism do you suppose there would be? Imagine if the ONLY difference between blacks and whites was indeed their appearance.

    Exactly.

    Too many race-baiters and professional victimologists get all hung up on the skin color issue.

    That hasn’t been relevant since since the Old Days.

    It’s all about behavior in today’s more enlightened world.

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  519. What we do is forcibly move all blacks and Chinese to Africa where they interbreed — at gunpoint if need be.

    My brother happens to find Asian chicks to be attractive, so that works out for him, except for the moving to Africa part. Hell, I suspect the African diaspora and Asians would hate that part too. Of course, I’m against it because there are no Asian girls with tits and ass…

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  520. Of course, I’m against it because there are no Asian girls with tits and ass…

    That’s the beauty of my plan. They would GET tits and ass from breeding with blacks.

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  522. That’s the beauty of my plan. They would GET tits and ass from breeding with blacks.

    Your plan takes too long!

    Plus, it sorta involves going to Africa, and it requires Asian men having sex with black women which is allegedly impossible. Of course, we could just import more Asians into the US for the fun factor alone…

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  523. @ doug

    A Portuguese priest, educated in the enlightened cities of Paris and London, went to Angola in the 60s to help the victims of the war that his savage and sbhuman countrymen were waging to prevent the emergence of an African Switzerland

    10 years there kind of changed his views. he said, and I fully subscribe “the Negro is our brother in Christ, and because of that what is being done in South Africa and the US (official segregation) is wrong. But keep in mind, the Negro is our younger brother and it is up to us to lead him so that he won´t harm himself or us”

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  524. Yes, the negro is our brother, but our YOUNGER brother.

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  525. DA says, “Plus, it sorta involves going to Africa, and it requires Asian men having sex with black women which is allegedly impossible.”

    Um…

    Do Koreans count?

    Wait, scratch that. I wouldn’t qualify as Black enough for the supposed race realists.

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  526. Tupac–

    It’s all about behavior in today’s more enlightened world.

    Behavior and warping just about all social programs and initiatives to try to lessen the racial educational and earnings gap because it’s supposedly all due to white racism and or the cultural legacy of racism, as opposed to black maintained and resistant to change cultural attitudes and to some degree genetics.

    For example tracking in schools is often opposed because it will leave almost all blacks in lower achievement tracks, and thereby supposedly hurt them. (What it really does is embarrass radical environmentalist, blank slate leftists.) School busing, affirmative action in various forms all over the place, disparate impact tests that prevent businesses from using forms of IQ tests, etc., all of that is ultimately due to the PC ideology of black victimology.

    All of that is another reason that blacks get a lot of resentment.

    Though you’re right, black interest in white females, and the utter taboo against white men expressing that they’re pissed about it or white women breaking the taboo sometimes (in part because it is a bit forbidden, but also at least semi forbidden for white men to get publicly pissed about it), is another source of animosity. As is perfectly natural. Few think it surprising that black women are pissed when many of the “best” i.e. most successful black men go for white women, or even when black men are pissed about especially cute or hot black women going for white men, when they do.

    Overall it’s the free rider business, and the deep buy into victimology and resentment that blacks have done, that pisses off whites.

    Although there’s a lot of resistance among whites to that other large NAM groups, Mexicans and other Central Americans who are often heavily Indio, illegal immigrating in swamping and mass numbers such that they very noticeably and quickly are changing the demographics of the country, there’s a lot less individual animosity. That’s because so far this group does a lot less free riding, and a lot less themselves buying into the victimology ideology. However, we’re setting up for that to change, and big.

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  527. R Would you buy a car from this man?:

    goodlooking men get hated on too 🙂

    *hi epoxy*

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  528. In fact part of the reason for the education bubble is actually the disparate impact EEOC dogma, developed to advance blacks.

    Under that dogma businesses basically are not permitted to use forms of IQ tests in hiring.

    So what they do instead is use the quality of education obtained primarily as a proxy for IQ. Schools are permitted to use SAT tests, which correlated very strongly with IQ. That’s for legacy reasons and how radical it would have been to get rid of them. Also not unimportantly Jews who very much pushed for them to be widely used and heavily weighted by elite universities as one way around the so called “Jewish quota” before WWII, were very opposed to disallowing SAT’s. Though businesses can’t ask for them in job applications. (But savvy high scorers like me can always volunteer them on resumes.)

    Professional school training does directly impact the ability to do the job of a lawyer and certainly doctor and maybe elite business person (maybe), and certainly engineer, but liberal arts degrees do almost nothing for most job performance. What they do is screen in an EEOC, disparate impact dogma, permitted way. Hence the education bubble.

    Really.

    At huge cost to students in student loan indebtedness or to their suffering parents, etc.

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  529. I leave for 5 days and come back to more race crap. sometimes you guys make me sick!

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  530. Chic:

    Suck it.

    Suck it HARD

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  531. She will after you lick her harder. (oh gawd did I say that out loud??)

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  532. aoefe

    She will after you lick her harder. (oh gawd did I say that out loud??)

    Just for that I feel “forced” to administer to you a right smart spanking.

    Followed by caressing and “making it better” and …

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  533. I deserved it Doug. 🙂

    And now folks we imagine all the people in the back puking their guts out to the swarmy display of e-flirting on stage 1.

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  534. on August 22, 2009 at 6:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Places cock in aoef’s mouth to make it all better.

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  535. All girl need a pacifier…

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  536. *aoefe exits stage left but wonders to herself if e-flirting goes x-rated will it capture the hearts or at least the minds of Roissy men. Just sayin…

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  537. Tupac Chopra

    you are disgusting. Please leave the details of how you made the rent last night, out of the comments.

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  538. Doug1 When the slut mother could Plan B, abort, or give for adoption all without ANY ongoing child support or parenting requirements if that’s what she wants. ….

    Or the guy could always use a condom or get a vasectomy. Take control of your life for once and stop pushing everything off on the female. This ^^^shit burns me up like nothing else here. Don’t want kids, do something to prevent the woman you’re with from becoming knocked up. *ding ding ding* a condom for the win boys.

    There are even cherry flavored condoms for God’s sake…yum.

    j/k about the yum doug 1

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  539. Chic:

    A woman has options too..

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  540. on August 22, 2009 at 7:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on August 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm aoefe
    *aoefe exits stage left but wonders to herself if e-flirting goes x-rated will it capture the hearts or at least the minds of Roissy men. Just sayin…”””””””””””””

    Knee of aoefe on my feet and walks to get aoefe to stage left he he he

    Hate to fuck up a god lolipop

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  541. on August 22, 2009 at 7:36 pm Black Military Man

    “If black people spoke and behaved exactly like white people, how much less racism do you suppose there would be? Imagine if the ONLY difference between blacks and whites was indeed their appearance.

    Compare them to 2nd generation (or more) Asians, who usually do speak and behave almost exactly like white people. Not many whites have it in for Asians, do they?”
    …………….

    This is a class thing. Ghetto blacks act like low class (hicks, rednecks) whites.

    Middle class black people in the do indeed act what you call “white”. But its not white, its middle-middle and upper-middle class American behaviour, regardless of ethnic background.

    Check some of the asians in the hood. Yes, there are a few. They are not acting middle class white.

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  542. chic noir

    Or the guy could always use a condom or get a vasectomy. Take control of your life for once and stop pushing everything off on the female. This ^^^shit burns me up like nothing else here.

    In the immortal words of Rhett Butler: “frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”.

    Asking a younger man who hasn’t yet had all the children he might ever want to get a vasectomy is thoroughly unreasonable. Far more unreasonable than telling sluts that they get no state mandated child support for kids the bio dad didn’t want but they did. If she didn’t she could and WOULD either use Plan B, abort, or give away for adoption. That’s what impregnated college or professional school girls do all the freaking time chic. When THEY don’t want the kids.

    As for condoms, that’s in fact what I do. BUT, even though selfish you Chic, who doesn’t even much like penetrative sex, doesn’t give a rats ass, condom sex is MUCH LESS PLEASURABLE for the guy. So once one has moved to fling stage and one trusts the girl enough to not be worried about STDs too much, or she’s been recently tested (oh and btw aids is almost completely a red herring esp. among Americans who don’t do intravenous drugs or bisexual men without condoms up the ass Chic), there’s a real tendency to want to go off condoms. If she’s on bc. That allows her to fuck you over under current law. She shouldn’t have that power.

    As well chic, even if one night stands condoms can and do break, particularly if you’re rather thick and rather vigorous about it.

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  543. on August 22, 2009 at 7:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Vigorous condoms fucking melt on my dick.

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  544. on August 22, 2009 at 7:41 pm Black Military Man

    Doug 1 :”David Alexander–

    You aren’t remotely good enough for an attractive white woman.

    You should kill yourself.”

    Me: Not good advice to give to a sensitive and tortued soul like David.

    David, post some picks, what do you look like?

    Regarding Asian men and African women, it happens a lot in the Carribbean.

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  545. With those attitudes chic I hope nobody, or certain no in demand and short supply alpha, ever fucks you.

    Or certainly ever does for long. Maybe a condom pump and dump.

    Then dump your selfish ass.

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  546. Tupac Chopra
    Chic:

    A woman has options too..

    Yes, but why give a random woman that much control over your life and money. just rap it up and take it with you when you’re done.

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  547. on August 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””S.
    Tupac and Clio
    Doug and Bhetti
    Epoxy and LILGRL
    Lurker and Mandy
    A.J. Travis and me (S.)
    Aoefe and… DA?!

    This blog is a matchmaking service.””””””””””””’

    wtf where is my bitch I mean match?

    Or do I get to just sample them all and doomed to walk the planet getting in adventures and shit with my wife at home while getting the no pussy getting kind of adventures.

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  548. doug1 As well chic, even if one night stands condoms can and do break, particularly if you’re rather thick and rather vigorous about it.

    😯 😯 😯

    oh snap

    go ahead doug with the slug!!!

    *whispers into bhetti’s ear*

    Bhetti, be careful with this one. you will know pain unlike any other.

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  549. on August 22, 2009 at 7:47 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Gunny, why don’t you take chic?

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  550. on August 22, 2009 at 7:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””””””Lupo
    Whiskey “But ugly fighting? Flying a plane into a carrier deck or a building? That sure as hell doesn’t happen cause you love the Emperor or binnie.”

    My dad didn’t volunteer for the boy scouts: it was Vietnam, infantry. Many homosexuals also enjoy warfare; they don’t do it for the pussy either -nor do they do it for the chance of a trench groping. Women and sex are overrated as motivations for anything, particularly war. People are a lot more than animated genital organs, despite the subject of this blog.

    Confusing propaganda designed to appeal to a 19 year old with reality is wrong-headed, but even there your idea fails. Most of it is designed to appeal to pride and glory, not, “ooo noes, your best girl might have to date a Kraut-eater.”
    ””””””””””’
    Yea I think woman tend to actually misunderstan their place in a mans orbit. Like way verestimating meaning of life for men.

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  551. Chic Noir

    Yes, but why give a random woman that much control over your life and money. just rap it up and take it with you when you’re done.

    Rielle slut Hunter almost certainly lied to Edwards about being on birth control pills or an IUD.

    Of course he wanted to do condomless sex. All men do Chic.

    Or don’t you even know that much, lick borderline lezzy?

    The point is the law shouldn’t give her the power to extract huge after tax percentage amounts of child support=alimony for something so overwhelmingly within her control. All but 1 of the 7 or 8 most common methods of birth control are within the woman’s sole power and control. The one that isn’t greatly diminishes male pleasure in the sex act (and to some degree female pleasure as well, at least among women that really get into penetrative sex, unlike you chic). Still that’s no reason for men to not use condoms in casual first time sex, agreed. That’s not usually how unwed child support=alimony comes about. Instead it’s probably overwhelming comes from gotcha babies.

    Edwards and Rielle Hunter are hardly alone. I’m sure that tom Brady’s C or D level aging out actress girl friend’s parting sex “gift” to Brady as he was leaving her for Giselle, was also a gotcha baby. Yeah he shouldn’t have trusted her. She undoubtedly lied about being on birth control also.

    She shouldn’t be enabled by the law to extract a plush living out of him for the next 18 plus years for her deceiving ambush either.

    As Dana says, girls who aren’t married deserve zero child support from the bio dads. Girls are the sexual gate keepers. Girls are the gotcha deceivers. Conceiving sluts should have to pay. At the very most the can get child support at welfare levels if and for so long as the qualify for welfare only. That’s it.

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  552. Doug1
    With those attitudes chic I hope nobody, or certain no in demand and short supply alpha, ever fucks you.

    Or certainly ever does for long. Maybe a condom pump and dump.

    Then dump your selfish ass.

    1. I don’t care about a guy being alpha just protect me when I’m in danger ,be attractive, and make enough to pay the bills (+ some savings) and I’m good.

    2. If I ever become someone’s wife, which I doubt, I think my husband may take some pleasure in knowing that no other man has truly had unguarded full access to the tunnels.

    3. am I selfish for wanting to avoid laying on a doctors table while he vacuum’s my insides, or for wanting to avoid the whole OOW kid thing??? how about wanting to curtail the likelihood I develop a STD???

    4. doug please!

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  553. s Gunny, why don’t you take chic?

    cause two nutty people togeather is not a good match.

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  554. Hey hey hey now. Don’t go all femx pycho on me buddy. I’m just giving you my opinion.

    Rielle slut Hunter almost certainly lied to Edwards about being on birth control pills or an IUD.

    that’s why he should of worn a condom. thanks for giving an example to prove my point doug.

    doug Or don’t you even know that much, lick borderline lezzy?

    well doug, I hear that when older men such as yourself can longer get things to working, you pull out your dentures, put the heat rap on the lower back, and really put that tongue to work.

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  555. In the immortal words of Rhett Butler: “frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”.
    Then don’t make such a loud cry when a woman goes are 15%-25% for 18-21. We all have choices doug. As adults we must live with our mistakes.

    Doug Edwards and Rielle Hunter are hardly alone. I’m sure that tom Brady’s C or D level aging out actress girl friend’s parting sex “gift” to Brady as he was leaving her for Giselle, was also a gotcha baby.

    Thanks for the second example doug 
    More of a reason for men to strap up, you can’t trust a woman with something that could change your life forever.

    She shouldn’t be enabled by the law to extract a plush living out of him for the next 18 plus years for her deceiving ambush either.

    agreed for the mom but the son deserves to live well just like his dad.

    doug As Dana says, girls who aren’t married deserve zero child support from the bio dads. Girls are the sexual gate keepers. Girls are the gotcha deceivers.
    Dana has her views and I have mine.

    Girls are the sexual gate keepers but if some weren’t willing to give in to men such as yourself, you would be lonely and frustrated or married at 18. Pick your poison, life ain’t always pretty.

    Doug Asking a younger man who hasn’t yet had all the children he might ever want to get a vasectomy is thoroughly unreasonable

    Chances are, a younger man will only want 2 kids max. He can have sperm frozen before the vasectomy if he one day decides he does want a few kids to spoil.

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  556. this gem from PA

    PA But people forget that girls of this generation had been lied to as well. Witness the ubiquity of fertility clinic ads on the radio

    *sigh*
    Adults not wanting to be adults!

    Yea, that’s what smokers(under 40) say about cigarettes when they develop lung cancer. A load of hogwash. It’s common sense to know that fertility drops as women get older because far fewer 40 years olds have children than 20 something’s.

    Furthermore, even my prole blk public school taught self learned about the female reproductive system in biology class. Women are putting off having children because most really don’t want them. The biological factor that kicks in after a certain age if a woman doesn’t already have children which makes her desperate for a child.

    WE don’t need children in the same that people needed them 200 years ago because we have moved beyond an agrarian life. Add to that having no control over your children and the adult toys other BS things you can waste your money on and why bother.

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  557. chic noir

    agreed for the mom but the son deserves to live well just like his dad.

    No he doesn’t.

    The bastard son or daughter deserves to live according to the lifestyle of the parent(s) that wanted him or her. Only.

    Period end of story.

    Anything else is matriarchy.

    Which I’m perfectly prepared to kill women to avoid. If I can get enough others to join me.

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  558. chic noir

    Rielle slut Hunter almost certainly lied to Edwards about being on birth control pills or an IUD.

    that’s why he should of worn a condom. thanks for giving an example to prove my point doug.

    Your point if feminist selfish crap.

    You should be beaten up by pissed off men.

    I would no longer lift a finger to white knight for you chic.

    Didn’t used to feel that way about you.

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  559. Condoms are gross, Chic, sex with them is a pale imitation of the real thing.

    As for vasectomies along with frozen sperm, that’s just so cold and clinical. Maybe one day you’ll fall deeply in love (with a man) and you’ll understand the beauty of making love and conceiving a child from that.

    Frozen sperm, frozen eggs, IVF, test tube babies, etc, are vile.

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  560. Chic

    You’re vile.

    You have no ideal how much you disgust me.

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  561. chic noir

    Though why any man with any options would want your nearly totally asexual ass is beyond me.

    Selfish feminist vile bitch.

    Oh yeah you’ve made an enemy out of a friend.

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  562. chic noir

    Roissy has been right about you all along.

    I got to hand that to him.

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  563. doug Which I’m perfectly prepared to kill women to avoid. If I can get enough others to join me.

    crap like this is giving this blog a bad name.

    doug You should be beaten up by pissed off men.

    and you a gang of feminists. This is my puss and I decide what will and willnot go inside of it. If that makes you sad, bend over and bite your ass and get glade sir.

    I believe there was something written about men like you in S.C.U.M.

    IIRC, This is the second time you’ve said something something so stupid and violent about women & children. Mr. baby killer throw a kid off a cliff up to 6 months after he/she is born.

    We get that you don’t like kids, I don’t much either but damn if I want to throw them over a cliff. I don’t like most men much either but I don’t want to kill them, castrate them etc…

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  564. doug Oh yeah you’ve made an enemy out of a friend.

    correction…you were an e-friend.
    so be life.

    guess what doug… wear a condom. I said it and I will stick by it.

    doug Though why any man with any options would want your nearly totally asexual ass is beyond me

    I’ve always said I the female DA lite and not ashamed of it either.

    Doug1
    Chic

    You’re vile.

    You have no ideal how much you disgust me.

    I hope not as much as those stds disgust you??? How about that exorbitant child support ???

    Guess what baby killer and woman killer, you disgust me too.

    fyi- having relations with a condom is to me what being stone cold drunk &half naked is to a woman in a bar. Don’t do dumb shit and put yourself in a bad situation. Get over yourself and accept responsibility for your actions.

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  565. chic noir

    This is my puss and I decide what will and willnot go inside of it. If that makes you sad, bend over and bite your ass and get glade sir.

    Look you stupid selfish bitch, that has zero to do with what we’ve been arguing about.

    The idea that you’re capable of making me sad is also ridiculous.

    You don’t have to screw anyone.

    What I’m mondo pissed about is your position that ambush sluts like Rielle Hunter and Brady’s bastard producing bitch deserve huge after tax percentages of their rich lover’s income, as a result of their clear ambush pregnancies. Tough you say, because he didn’t stay in a condom after she lied about being reliably on birth control. Even if it broke you say tough. full freight feminist lobbied child support=alimony, with no or virtually no cap you say. Just tough.

    Yeah I want to see you beaten up for such views. Damn right.

    You utterly disgust me.

    I want you to feel no security at all in a world of stronger men, because so many of us are so disgusted with you and types like you.

    Let the word go out to men. this shitte from you and types like you is simply unacceptable.

    You deserve NO protection.

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  566. doug 1 I would no longer lift a finger to white knight for you chic.

    *two crocodile tears slowly make their way down my face*

    You never have buddy so don’t try it. You go silent like a little girl caught with her fingers in the cookie jar.

    Doug doug Oh yeah you’ve made an enemy out of a friend.

    just to add something here… You could never be my friend in the true scence. The some of the things you’ve said about blk people would never allow me to be your “friend”. What you and I have been doing is tolerating one another’s presence, nothing more.

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  567. chic noir

    Get over yourself and accept responsibility for your actions.

    Just how stupid are you?

    I don’t remotely accept misandrous feminist child support=alimony for bastard ambush babies laws.

    That’s your idea of responsibility?

    stupid idiot.

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  568. chic noir

    Like I said.

    Roissy has been right about you.

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  569. chic noir

    You think Obsidian supports your position on full freight feminist lobbied child support=alimony for ambush baby sluts like Rielle Hunter or Brady’s bastard producing ex gf?

    You think Joe does?

    Who?

    Twist and shout selfish bitch.

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  570. doug What I’m mondo pissed about is your position that ambush sluts like Rielle Hunter and Brady’s bastard producing bitch deserve huge after tax percentages of their rich lover’s income, as a result of their clear ambush pregnancies

    when have I ever said this??? You can never point to anything on this blog saying I’ve said this.

    Yes, I believe in child support even for OOW children but not to the point where it’s cripling to the father.

    If a father is wealthy, then yes, the OOW child should have some money put into a trust for him/her until the age of 18-25. Not money so the mother can live the good life.

    doug Look you stupid selfish bitch, that has zero to do with what we’ve been arguing about.

    well it looks like you were arguing with me about condoms.

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  571. chic noir

    Recant or get the f*ck out of here.

    It won’t go pleasantly for you if you don’t.

    I promise you.

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  572. doug You think Obsidian supports your position on full freight feminist lobbied child support=alimony for ambush baby sluts like Rielle Hunter or Brady’s bastard producing ex gf?

    You drunken old goat I’ve never said

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  573. Tough you say, because he didn’t stay in a condom after she lied about being reliably on birth control.

    we don’t know the whole story and Edwards may have decided to chance it because the woman was 40+.

    Even if it broke you say tough

    That’s different, at least he tried to prevent the pregnancy but if the child is his, yes he must help take care of it. don’t forget that Edwards had the option of not sleeping with the woman in the first place.

    full freight feminist lobbied child support=alimony, with no or virtually no cap you say. Just tough.

    Okay now I know you’re drunk. when have I ever posted such. You are so damn drunk or pissed at someone in the non virtual world and wanted to make me a target cause femx isn’t around huh.

    Just use your thick cave man brain and think??? I believe in mandatory paternity test at birth but want men to pay 75% of their after tax income in child support???

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  574. on August 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Chic Noir wrote :

    This is my puss and I decide what will and willnot go inside of it.

    Yes, yes, you have mentioned all too many times how heavily you use both of your apertures. Enough, already.

    Your views would be in stark contrast to Obsidian, Joe, and Black MM, by the way. The male-female rift will supercede race.

    So why didn’t you go to college? Someone of your race + gender could get a free ride to Harvard merely from demonstrating basic literacy. So why didn’t you go?

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  575. Doug1
    chic noir

    Recant or get the f*ck out of here.

    It won’t go pleasantly for you if you don’t.

    I promise you.

    I don’t have to recant a thing. If you can’t remember my views, read the archives otherwise deal with it or get ready to do battle buzzard.

    P.S. I’ve pretty consistent for my 18 months here.

    P.P.S. you should put that drink down before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

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  576. chic noir

    just to add something here… You could never be my friend in the true scence. The some of the things you’ve said about blk people would never allow me to be your “friend”. What you and I have been doing is tolerating one another’s presence, nothing more.

    Yeah nice try playing the race card chic noir.

    I view individuals individually. Period. You’ve known that until now. No amount of after I’m real pissed at you rewriting of history’s gonna work chic.

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  577. on August 22, 2009 at 9:26 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Chic Noir wrote :

    Yes, I believe in child support even for OOW children but not to the point where it’s cripling to the father.

    1) The man should have the right to an ‘abortion’ of his CS duties, if the woman also has the right to abort the fetus (which she does). The man has to have some reproductive rights if the woman already has abortion rights.

    2) Provided the man does not want to abort the fatherly duties and AGREES TO HAVE THE KID, the OOW CS amount should be no more than the cost of daycare or a nanny, AT MOST.

    That is reasonable. Agree?

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  578. chic noir

    You drunken old goat I’ve never said

    No chic noir, I’m most assuredly sober.

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  579. chic noir

    Twist and shout chic noir.

    Selfish feminist bitch.

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  580. chic noir

    Doug1: doug What I’m mondo pissed about is your position that ambush sluts like Rielle Hunter and Brady’s bastard producing bitch deserve huge after tax percentages of their rich lover’s income, as a result of their clear ambush pregnancies

    when have I ever said this??? You can never point to anything on this blog saying I’ve said this.

    That’s exactly what you’ve unmistakeably implied through this entire argument until now. This is the first time you’ve mentioned ONE PEEP about limiting what the law currently gives to ambush sluts like Rielle Hunter or Tom Brady’s ex. Instead you’ve been all about tough if he didn’t use a condom that never broke, no matter how much she lied to him about being on birth control. That’s clear as sunrise in the morning lying bitch.

    But at least you’re starting to back peddle some. That’s progress, however it came about.

    But you’re only back peddling a little.

    I’m sorry. The bastard should be entitled to nothing from a bio dad that didn’t want him/her. Just as women have roe rights post coitus, so should men. No a woman doesn’t have to abort to exercise her rights if she doesn’t in fact want to become a parent. She can Plan B and she can give the bastard up for adoption.

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  581. on August 22, 2009 at 9:47 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Chic Noir,

    With all due respect, I do have to defend Doug on one issue (I’m not sure about the other one, since I haven’t thoroughly perused the argument).

    A lot of “race realist” threads tend to crop up here, and many times “race realism” falls into an outright “racist” category. Yes, I do see a distinction between the two. Doug hasn’t been guilty of ever posting anything racist, from what I’ve read. Heck, Bhetti is Arab. I’m of mixed ethnicity, but most people see me as Indian, and Doug has never had an issue with me.

    I understand that a lot of people here to tend to pick on blacks more than any other minority group, and I can’t imagine what it must feel to face that, even on the internet.

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  582. doug Yeah nice try playing the race card chic noir.

    reread your comments from earlier in the day then get back at me homie.

    But you’re only back peddling a little.
    I’m not back peddling at all. That is the way that I feel now about CS and it’s the way that I’ve felt about CS since I’ve been here.

    This is the first time you’ve mentioned ONE PEEP about limiting what the law currently gives to ambush sluts like Rielle Hunter or Tom Brady’s ex.

    you are a darn lier. check the archives, this is not the first time I said this to you. It’s not my fault you can’t remember. I’ve mentioned before that I don’t think a father should be financially cripled because of child support payments.

    That’s clear as sunrise in the morning lying bitch.

    *shows doug a knuckle sandwhich*
    call me another bitch, chump

    She can Plan B and she can give the bastard up for adoption.
    *sigh*
    you really do know very little about women.

    *shakes head*

    For some women, adoption is a more difficult choice than abortion.

    Plan B is something that I advocate but not enough women and men know about it’s existence. There are a shocking number of men who don’t know much about female birth control.

    by the way, would you pay for plan b? some men don’t believe they should have to pay?

    GNP 2) Provided the man does not want to abort the fatherly duties and AGREES TO HAVE THE KID, the OOW CS amount should be no more than the cost of daycare or a nanny, AT MOST.

    for middle class fathers, yes. When the child is older you can add half for private school.

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  583. dTough you say, because he didn’t stay in a condom after she lied about being reliably on birth control.

    we don’t know the whole story and Edwards may have decided to chance it because the woman was 40+.

    dEven if it broke you say tough

    That’s different, at least he tried to prevent the pregnancy but if the child is his, yes he must help take care of it. don’t forget that Edwards had the option of not sleeping with the woman in the first place.

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  584. chic noir

    For some women, adoption is a more difficult choice than abortion.

    Tough.

    She shouldn’t be able to put him into indentured servitude for 18-23 years as a result of a pregnancy he didn’t want and she could have cut short, or otherwise turned into no responsibility for parenting or financial child support.

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  585. @s- doug isn’t the only one to say something not so tasteful about blks* but I don’t argue for the most part. I just make a mental note of the comment can keep it moving.

    I just wanted him to note that I caught his crap today and in the past.

    *not talking about the flammers and trolls like Willard,GNP etc..

    @doug- you can continue to argue with me or agree to disagree because I don’t think a man should be able to walk away from a child he made because he doesn’t want it. most children are unwanted or accidents anyway.

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  586. chic

    so you dont believe in abortion for women either–right?

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  587. @dana – I’m pro choice for myself and other women. I’m so vililent about condoms and BC because I don’t want to find myself pregnant and suddently discover that I’m prolife for myself. I’m sure I couldn’t give a child up for adoption either.

    *shrugs shoulders*

    I wonder if men were the gender to have children,would we be having this argument?

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  588. chic

    i am compelled to try to understand this whenever it comes up

    you believe a woman should have a unilateral right to terminate or keep a pregnancy irrespective of the father’s wishes but a man has an obligation to pay no matter what he wants?

    by what definition is this “fair” or “just” or “equitable” of humane to you?

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  589. chic, if men had children theyd be women

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  590. chic noir

    doug Yeah nice try playing the race card chic noir.

    reread your comments from earlier in the day then get back at me homie.

    I assure you I don’t need to. What of them?

    Can’t stand cultural Marxist victimology, aimed first of all at helping blacks (mostly to protect Jews btw as ones no one will ever get to, with blacks being the first line of protection) and less vehmently dislike affirmative action. Really dislike turning virtually all of our social priorities into a question of how does it affect blacks. My basic orientation is how can we make the whole country stronger? As a whole. When that involves raising up the weak, then good. When that involves helping the gifted to all or nearly all realize their full potential, then good. What do I mean by “make the whole country stronger?” Historically that answer has been to defeat any damn comer at war easily and at low cost. And to then prevail and take over. That’s the basic evolutionary answer. How we got to be so smart and capable.

    As I’ve said before I actually think there were good arguments for affirmative action for blacks only (not women and not Hispanics) in the early 1970s when it was federally introduced, so long as it was sunsetted by now. (It had been voluntarily introduced at some lefty universities before then, such as the University of California system. The subject of the Backe lawsuit that ok’d affirmative action in higher ed, with some weak limitations about crude quota systems.) The trouble is that the nature of such special benefits to certain groups federal programs is that they’re almost impossible to EVER eliminate in a democracy. Cause of special interest lobbying and funding and so on.

    However we all need to live together and I want to work out harmonious and mutually appreciative ways of doing that.

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  591. For example tracking in schools is often opposed because it will leave almost all blacks in lower achievement tracks, and thereby supposedly hurt them.

    Well, the idea is that black people will notice that they’re not only the bulk of those incarcerated or living in poverty (per capita), but they’re also underrepresented or non-existant in high ranking positions. Observations like like that fuels the victimization movement, and as long as this condition remains so, short of basically killing off the entire black population, you’ll have always have victimology in the black community.

    a lot less themselves buying into the victimology ideology

    To a certain extent, a similar effect is somewhat noticeable in Caribbean and African immigrants, and it’s mostly due to the fact that the immigrants know that they’re at the bottom when they arrive. In contrast, the native born black population has been in the country for nearly four hundred years, so to a certain extent, they’re expecting immediate levels of white success.

    As is perfectly natural.

    It may be natural, but it doesn’t mean that it’s right. Nobody has any right to restrict the flow of women to other races and ethnicities. I have no qualms if white men loot the best looking black women, and I’m downright happy whenever I see an interracial white male-black female couple.

    Just for that I feel “forced” to administer to you a right smart spanking.

    Followed by caressing and “making it better” and …

    Shudder. Freaking weirdos…

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  592. Nobody has any right to restrict the flow of women to other races and ethnicities.

    How convenient for you. A chester would say that no one has the right to keep him from a kindergarden.

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  593. Miscegenation involving white women fires me up like divorce-theft does Doug1.

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  594. on August 22, 2009 at 10:23 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Chic Noir,

    What about point 1) :

    1) The man should have the right to an ‘abortion’ of his CS duties, if the woman also has the right to abort the fetus (which she does). The man has to have some reproductive rights if the woman already has abortion rights.

    What about that?

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  595. Oh. Why have I unusually spent so much time online this Saturday weekend afternoon and evening? Because my live with girl has sort of had to go do some family duty/care this weekend. And because I’m not out catting around, though I could be. And also because Bhetti is herself doing a relatively incommunicado weekend trip. So I’m left on my lonesome. in the city I decided, not our weekend place.

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  596. dana by what definition is this “fair” or “just” or “equitable” of humane to you?

    *chic pulls up stool and prepares to school a few of her elders*

    life isn’t fair dana.

    It isn’t fair that a man who is smaller and weighs less than I do has three times the upper body strength that I do. but it is life and I must deal with that.

    chic, if men had children theyd be women

    not really, there are a few species of animals where the males carry the babies or both sexes carry babies.

    @doug – your comment at 10:14 is what you should of posted instead of that crap earlier buddy.

    However we all need to live together and I want to work out harmonious and mutually appreciative ways of doing that.

    As you know, I do too and that’s for race and gender.

    A toast is in order

    *gives doug club soda *

    cause I know you’ve had a few too many tonight

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  597. on August 22, 2009 at 10:30 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Miscegenation involving white women fires me up like divorce-theft does Doug1.

    The fattest, ugliest white women are the only ones you see with black dudes, who prefer the obesity for reasons described earlier.

    But as far as white women with East/South Asian dudes, although that is very rare, I don’t have a problem with that.

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  598. David Alexander

    Observations like like that fuels the victimization movement, and as long as this condition remains so, short of basically killing off the entire black population, you’ll have always have victimology in the black community.

    Or we could just admit that blacks are on average and over overlapping bell curves all along the line, less smart and more violent than whites and asians and hence that will lead to effects. Are that way for very difficult or perhaps impossible to change cultural and genetic reasons, both.

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  599. David Alexander

    But at the same time some blacks are VERY smart and not at all more prone to violence than the average white or Asian.

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  600. And because I’m not out catting around, though I could be.

    A first I thought you said “though I should be.”

    Heh, That would have had panache.

    Not that I would ever violate my paranoid levels of privacy and revealed my RL self to anyone here, but if I lived in NYC this would have been a tempting occasion to grab some brews with ya.

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  601. on August 22, 2009 at 10:32 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    not really, there are a few species of animals where the males carry the babies or both sexes carry babies.

    Oh, so snails and seahorses, which are not even vertibrates, do it, so human female enslavement of human men is OK? That takes the cake.

    And how about responding to my 10:30 PM question?

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  602. no chic

    i am not talking about Cosmic Fairness, i am talking about LEGAL fairness. Justice under the law–is that a foreign concept to you?

    i can’t imagine why i think ill ever get an intelligible answer from a woman

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  603. But at the same time some blacks are VERY smart and not at all more prone to violence than the average white or Asian.

    Like Obsidian or David Alexander.

    Not “quantuum-physicist” smart, but then again, few people are. Kamal might be. Though his thing seems to be crosscultural studies, if you will. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of every ethnic group in the world it seems.

    I once made an offhand remark about Pashtun buggery and five minutes later he writes a fascinating account of said perversion and its role throughout history and culture of Afghanistan.

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  604. dana i can’t imagine why i think ill ever get an intelligible answer from a woman

    your hatred of your own gender is sickening. women like you trip me out. Brag about having only male friends and how you’re a woman in body only. In a way, you’re like DA too.

    I may not be a big fan of gloria alred, nancy grace( I think they hate men) and the like but if something went down, I would get their help in a heartbeat. You better keep that in the back of your brain too.

    P.S. you can do all the “male thinking and reasoning” you want but at the end of the month, you bleed for 3-7 days just like the rest of us.

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  605. Dana to chic
    i am not talking about Cosmic Fairness, i am talking about LEGAL fairness. Justice under the law–is that a foreign concept to you?
    i can’t imagine why i think ill ever get an intelligible answer from a woman

    Then again strike my last comment to you. I was being emotional, i’m sorry.

    Since there is a lot of talk around these parts how women have changed in the last 70 years, lets take it back to the days of our grandparents. Why… lets get rid of child support.

    We will return to the days of shot gun marriages instead.

    You knock a girl up, you marry her.

    As a bonus, we will add in paternity tests at the time of birth to give a guy a backout if he ran across a “guilda get around” type chick.

    What do you say dana and doug?
    Something tells me most of men won’t agree to this for some reason.

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  606. on August 22, 2009 at 11:03 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    But at the same time some blacks are VERY smart and not at all more prone to violence than the average white or Asian.

    Of course, other blacks diss these worthy blacks, by calling them Oreos or Cadbury Creme Eggs.

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  607. on August 22, 2009 at 11:07 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin said:

    Of course, other blacks diss these worthy blacks, by calling them Oreos or Cadbury Creme Eggs.

    Somehow, I feel like if American black culture were more encouraging/welcoming of attitudes of a hyper-educated elite, the black community in the US would look a LOT different today.

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  608. where did doug1 go?

    *looks down*

    what the hell

    * looks down at doug passed out drunk on the floor*

    man I told yall doug was drunk.

    *shakes doug*

    wake up & get up doug

    *doug mumbles inconherently*

    yum *mumble mumble* yum yum
    *mumble* I’m alpha *mumble mumble* yum

    *yells to PA and welmer*

    Please help me place him on the stool.

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  609. Black community would be a lot better if welfare didn’t cause bestial gheto shaniquas popping out 70-iq thuglets who call smart black kids “oreos” and media/education stipped whipping blacks into a neverending anti-white sulk.

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  610. chic

    do you know what the word “hatred” means? finding it offputting and horrible to try to have an intelligent conversation with women isn’t hatred, it’s irritation. what i feel towards women is what men would feel towards them if they didn’t want to fuck them at all or even get backrubs from them, indifference to their concerns and annoyance with their personalities.

    you exemplify the female refusal to answer direct question with coherent, logically related answers.

    do you understand how much contempt that shows for your interlocutor?

    when someone respectfully ask your opinion and you dance around like a fairy refusing to light you are saying “fuck you” to the person speaking to you

    men do it to–men i can’t stand to talk to either.

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  611. Please help me place him on the stool.

    He took my words to heart and went out catting around. If he’s sober enough to not get splattered by a NYC taxicab, he’ll do fine.

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  612. “We will return to the days of shot gun marriages instead.

    You knock a girl up, you marry her.”

    at least that contains some justice in that the man got the BENEFITS of having a wife and not just the liabilities.

    what we have now is shotgun marriage FOR THE MAN exclusively

    how about this–she gets child support and she has to fuck him and cook him dinner at least once a week?

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  613. on August 22, 2009 at 11:15 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Sofia,

    Somehow, I feel like if American black culture were more encouraging/welcoming of attitudes of a hyper-educated elite, the black community in the US would look a LOT different today.

    um…Yes. That is why Bill Cosby, who spent his whole life trying to mentor black children in exactly the manner you describe, is so frustrated and bitter today. He routinely slams blacks of today for squandering the opportunities that others sacrificed so much to give them.

    This cartoon is apt :

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  614. chic,

    women used to be deathly afraid of getting knocked up then, that seemed to have been more effective birth control than any we have today

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  615. dana- forgive me. I am on the nicole side when it comes to my style of reasoning. I’m very flowery (maybe obtuse at times) although I try to put up a tough(semi- male) front. i thought the shotgun wedding comment was an answer to your question.

    I’ll try again. I’m going to be a bit flowering and cosmic so forgive me.

    If some sort environmental disaster happened to tomorrow, that made led to men having children instead of women, I would feel the same way.

    If I banged Kamal and Comment _whatever 🙂 🙂 🙂 without condoms and the two of the them became pregnant, it would be their decision because it’s their bodies. I wouldn’t want to have children with both of them, but I would have to “man up” and live with my actions.

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  616. dana
    chic,

    women used to be deathly afraid of getting knocked up then, that seemed to have been more effective birth control than any we have today

    Yes, you’re right, it’s social stigma that surrounded OOW pregnancies that has eroded.

    You would think that OOW would decrease since we have so many birth control options as well as plan b and legal abortion.

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  617. on August 22, 2009 at 11:27 pm Sofia (formerly S.)

    If I knocked up A.J. Travis, he BETTER be having our child.

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  618. on August 22, 2009 at 11:30 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Chic Noir,

    What about point 1) :

    1) The man should have the right to an ‘abortion’ of his CS duties, if the woman also has the right to abort the fetus (which she does). The man has to have some reproductive rights if the woman already has abortion rights.

    What about that?

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  619. chic

    🙂

    my point was biological

    if men had (not carried like seahorses, HAD) babies, they’d have the hormones and chemistry of baby makers–ie, women. these chemicals are partially responsible for the way a normally constituted babymaker of the human race thinks, feels, bonds, emotes etc. you can’t separate the chemicals from the process or from their additional effects–that’s why i say if men could have babies, theyd be women.

    you’re ok in my book chic, if you e-care

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  620. [email protected]

    Wendy Schwartz would knock up r and willard. their due dates would be days apart. she would support both of them until they had their babies, then deny “mothering” either of them. Something tells me that LR is so bad, she would knock one of them up with twins.

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  621. Something tells me that LR is so bad, she would knock one of them up with twins.

    Default- would not know who the mother is because both aoefe and I smashed on the say day.

    PA- would be knocked up by avela who would disappear the moment he told her he was pregnant.

    Kamal- would talk the doctor thru the birth explaining different birthing rituals from around the world.

    GNP- would be embarrassed that a fat blk woman knocked him up.

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  622. dana you’re ok in my book chic, if you e-care

    *blushes sweetly*

    thank you dana

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  623. “You would think that OOW would decrease since we have so many birth control options as well as plan b and legal abortion.”

    fundamental error of ppl with decent iq’s and middle class values

    both abortion and BC require future time orientation. middle class people can’t imagine the mindset of a girl who lives only for the present, engages in magical thinking, and can’t conceive of the future well enough to utilize them. she may note her period is late and hazily think ” uh i think im pregnant…” then a month guys by, then another…then its 5 months…then theres a baby

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  624. How would we deliver? anaconda swallowing a piglet in reverse, or, um, straining with a newspaper on our lap?

    Avela is a fat ugly Swedish troll. Yet still… (cue Tiffany)

    The sweet words I whispered
    Didn’t mean a thing
    You’re right – our song is over
    As we begin to sing

    Could’ve been so beautiful
    Could’ve been so right (for you)
    Could’ve been my lover
    Every day of my life (if you weren’t such a fat troll)

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  625. college boy- would be knocked up by sara and loving every minute of his pregnancy.

    Tupac- would be knocked up by clio and become obsessed(more so) with her. If he saw her talking to PatrickH he would pitch a bitch a tell her he is not going to allow her to see their child once she is born.

    Wellmer- Would love his baby very much and wouldn’t let most of us get close to him or her for fear of spreading our germs.

    Agnostic and spike- would discover that they were both knocked up by the same woman. Some chick who liked to read the NYT. She also lied to Agnostic about her age. Said she was 16 when she was really 21.

    PA Avela is a fat ugly Swedish troll. Yet still

    should of thought of that before she knocked you up.

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  626. Chickie, got babies on your mind? I’m all for. They’re cute.

    Sad, fat Avela is curled up and weeping her one forlorn note:

    The memories of our lovin’
    Still linger in the air
    Like the faded scent of your roses
    They stay with me everywhere

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  627. Marc in the arc- would obsess over his baby being born with blonde hair and blue eyes.

    Maurice- Know one would know he was knocked up until month 7.

    Mu- Brown sugar would finally get mu to settle down.

    Whiskey- would look right stupid when we find out that lr is his baby’s momma.

    Lurker- would be knocked up by mandyxd. Enough said!

    Doug1 – would be knocked up by bhetti. But would suddenly change his views on child support. Would eye the now upper middle class Bhetti MD ’s pay greedily. He would go for everything he could get from her. shrug his shoulders and say, well women have been doing it to men for years.

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  628. peter- would be knocked up by some hirsute woman and cry daily that his growing stomach was preventing him from looking at his glorious natural pelt.

    Pa- I think you’re the one singing those songs. aoela hit and quit on the within 3 days. Next time, make her wait. don’t give it up so soon.

    *points to PA’s stomach*

    She even left evidence.

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  629. A chester would say that no one has the right to keep him from a kindergarden.

    Except those of us who find women of other races to be attractive are not child molesters. We’re not abusing anybody, and the people involved are consenting adults. Just as black men shouldn’t be angry if white men date black women, white men shouldn’t be angry if white women date black (or Asian) men, and Asian men shouldn’t be angry if white men date their women.

    Or we could just admit that blacks are…

    Which implies that black people are inferior and incapable of living and setting up modern societies. The problem with that is while white people can accept the results, blacks will never accept the results because if leaves the vast bulk of them in a pointless existence where they’ll never be anything but shit.

    But at the same time some blacks are VERY smart and not at all more prone to violence than the average white or Asian.

    Yes, but that fraction of the population isn’t large enough. 100% of the black community has to be that way, or we’ll always be the shittier race.

    I feel like if American black culture were more encouraging/welcoming of attitudes of a hyper-educated elite, the black community in the US would look a LOT different today.

    Actually, it wouldn’t change much since the average black person lacks the IQ to be in the hyper-educated elite. You’d just have an absurdly frustrated community that blames racism as to why they can’t do well in school, go to college, and have white collar jobs.

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  630. on August 23, 2009 at 12:03 am Sofia (formerly S.)

    Keep it comin’, Chic. Who would finally end up knocking Roissy up?

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  631. @S- LR she would have both R and willard knocked up at the same time. R and Willard would duke it out like two fat itches on Jerry, with willard being the more aggresive of the two.

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  632. This place is full of baby-crazed broads.

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  633. then again R, we might have trouble with R, LR may not be the mom. He will need to test a number of women including anony and hope.

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  634. on August 23, 2009 at 12:16 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    It is becoming increasingly conspicuous that Chic Noir will not answer this simple question about male rights :

    1) The man should have the right to an ‘abortion’ of his CS duties, if the woman also has the right to abort the fetus (which she does). The man has to have some reproductive rights if the woman already has abortion rights.

    Hmm….what could be the reason she will not answer the question? Surely Chic Noir does not think a man should have to pay money without getting a say on whether he wants to have the kid, even while the woman has full abortion rights…

    I am not going to let up on this. Chic Noir will not be allowed to evade this question.

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  635. If Tupac and Clio have a kid, he will have Clio’s aristocratic manner and Tupac’s, umm, exhuberance.

    And they will name him Ruprecht

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  636. on August 23, 2009 at 12:19 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Chic Noir wrote :

    Doug1 – would be knocked up by bhetti. But would suddenly change his views on child support. Would eye the now upper middle class Bhetti MD ’s pay greedily. He would go for everything he could get from her. shrug his shoulders and say, well women have been doing it to men for years.

    No, because men are not as hypocritical and selfish as women.

    Plus, Chic Noir has revealed how women rationalize immoral and cruel abuse of men – by projecting onto Doug1 what women would do in the situation.

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  637. Black community would be a lot better if welfare didn’t cause bestial gheto shaniquas popping out 70-iq thuglets

    The problem is that even if they’re married, they’d still churn out 70 IQ thuglets.

    Miscegenation involving white women fires me up like divorce-theft does Doug1.

    I think you’d be pissed off at a TLC show that I watched with my niece where the subject of the show was a fat white woman with a mixed race daughter and a black boyfriend and based on the references, he may be the first black boyfriend…

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  638. I think Chic, LR and I would both be quite grateful that my beta-fu is quite strong. It’s come in handy, sometimes, when a friends wife hit me up, or a married gal of my acquaintance made the moves. NEVER have I felt more grateful for beta-fu.
    ———-
    As for “Talented Tenth” (WEB Dubois) and broad technical education (Booker T Washington), Dubois won the argument a long time ago, there’s no leaving the Hotel California for Black America. Dependency, illegitimacy, anti-education, anti-training, looney conspiracy theories (the CIA created AIDS to “keep the Black Man down”) and the like are where Black America checked into the Hotel California. That and a thin aristocratic crust are all that remains. Don’t worry, White America is right behind!

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  639. Fucked up PA.

    Them’s fightin’ words.

    And NOBODY takes my triton.

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  640. on August 23, 2009 at 2:34 am Sofia (formerly S.)

    WordPress is back up. It was under attack.

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  641. broad technical education

    The problem is that with the standard deviation between blacks and whites in terms of IQ, technical training is of little use to the average black person as they’re incapable of understanding it.

    looney conspiracy theories

    One race realist argued that the conspiracy theories are generally fuelled by the high self-esteem of blacks versus other races. Hence, if black people presume that their IQ is much higher than it has been tested to be, the next presumption is that the inability of blacks to do better is due to systematic oppression by the government with various schemes to keep blacks down. Plus, to a certain extent, whites can come across as deus ex machina factors in black society since for so many years, white did have immense power over the lives of blacks in the United States. Also, one could argue that the revelation of the Tuskegee studies nearly ten years before AIDS became “widespread” pretty much sealed the deal and fuelled the mental fantasies of many somewhat above average black men.

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  642. Almost forgot … John Edwards career might not be over. Women seem to love the “we were in love” excuse. I think if he stepped over his dying wife’s body to install his hag of a mistress (used up party girl) most women in America under 50 would love the guy even more.

    Heck, sleazebag Gavin Newsome married some actress AFTER his first wife (Fox News Babe Kimberly Guilefoyle) divorced him for fooling around with a subordinate’s wife. Women don’t care about character, just Alpha.

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