The Beta Crisis of American Men Marrying Older Women

Take me to the club where the boobs all hang
Give me old poontang that’s what I bang yeah
Hey take me to the club where the MILFs are queen
And from what I’ve seen that cooch is free

-Gonna use no game
-No need to mack
-Gonna get me some old maid
-Got a cougar on my back

Take me to the club where the ass hang down
Gonna grab that round – (yeah yeah yeah!)
Take me to the room where the young’s all old
And the old’s all bold take me back to her shack

-She don’t take no prisoners
-Gonna give me the business
-Got a cougar on my back
-It’s a cougar attack
[righteous drum solo]

Reader “Silver Fox” included a link in the comments to this New York Beta Times graphic showing that over the past 30 years more American men are marrying older women than themselves.

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The betatization of the American male proceeds apace.

Naturally, the perpetual lie machine known as the mass media will play up a stat like this as proof that cougars are coming into their own, and strong men “secure in their masculinity” are beginning to “appreciate the older woman” and everything she has to offer, including her “higher sex drive”, “experience” and “full blossoming of her mature womanhood”.

As usual, they would be wrong. I will explain.

If we liken the typical cougar to a 1975 Toyota Corolla…

cougcar

…then we can see that, if we were in a rush to get to the hospital and had no car at our disposal except this one, the Corolla with 250,000 miles on it would serve in a pinch to take us from point A to point B. Sure, it wouldn’t be the most fun ride, or the quickest ride, or the ride with the best handling (the torn vinyl on the heavily used bucket seats symbolize deep cleavage wrinkles), but it would do the job when we had a motor vehicle dry spell. Hell, tooling around in the Corolla for a few days might even be funny as an ironic hipsterly statement embracing the working class.

But goddamn if you’d be caught alive driving this POS on a daily basis, picking up your friends with it or tossing the keys to the valet to have it parked when you pull up to Bar Pilar. No man with car options would choose a 1975 Toyota Corolla as his daily commuter.

Analogously, you might entertain the notion of riding a cougar for a night if you’ve been suffering a six month pussy dry spell. You might even rationalize your decision to bang the cougar as a sort of statement against the patriarchy, or a mighty enlightened blow for 10th wave feminism. If your friends saw you leave the bar with the cougar, your face-saving embarrassment would compel you to sing the false praises of older women and how much they love sex and how well they suck dick.

But in the glaring, pore revealing light of morning, you’d turn over, take one look at your cougar conquest snoring fitfully next to you, and make for the exits like Road Runner. You would then feel so shitty about your dumpster diving that self-doubt would cripple your game for months. You’d retreat to the pallid glow of Creampie porn.

The NYBTimes graphic showing more men marrying older women should be viewed in light of my Corolla analogy. Men aren’t marrying older broads because they mysteriously and suddenly find them hotter than younger women; they’re marrying them out of necessity BECAUSE IT’S GOTTEN HARDER FOR THE AVERAGE BETA MALE TO MARRY THE YOUNGER WOMEN HE PREFERS.

What you are seeing in that graphic is a massive, paradigmatic shift in the sexual market. As the economic empowerment, entitlement complexes, and slut celebration of American women has reached epic proportions, they are living it up in their late teens and 20s with the alphas and settling down in their 30s and 40s with younger, desperate, easily controlled betas who serve as sub-par alpha substitutes when the alphas no longer desire them. The betas, for their part, would prefer to date and marry women younger than themselves, but they are being priced out of the younger woman market, and for many men a wet flabby hole is better than no hole.

The alphas, meanwhile, know it’s in their interest to use a woman during her prime and jettison her before marriage legally and financially binds him to an old jalopy. When an alpha does marry, he makes sure to marry a younger woman (preferably 10 years or more younger) so that he enjoys the ripeness of her sexuality for as long as possible. There are other benefits to older man-younger woman pairings — when he’s 50, and his younger wife is 35, she will seem relatively more attractive to him than she would to a 35 year old man. He will be more loving and attentive toward her than he would be to an “age appropriate” 50 year old wife.

The graphic above is a stark visual of just how betatized American men have become. They are so bereft of game and economic leverage over women that older wives now seem like an acceptable deal to them. They need to be schooled in the fine art of the ugly truths. First, I’d helpfully remind them that marrying a woman is a raw deal on its own, because all women are rapidly depreciating assets after age 25 or so who can take you for half your worth for no other reason than that they sport a vagina. Then I’d point out that marrying an *older* woman is like buying at full retail price in 2009 dollars a 1975 Toyota Corolla; she’s already past her physical peak, and he’d be lucky to get ten more miles out of her once he pedals her off the lot. It would be pissing money, and opportunities for better vehicles, away. It’s such an affront to nature when a younger man with the world before him marries an older woman that the Catholic Church should qualify it as a mortal sin.

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Comments


  1. The best thing about banging a cougar is wiping your cock on her expensive drapes from Pier 1 after anal.

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  2. the best part about cougars? They don’t press charges.

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  3. The stats aren’t really that impressive. The older husband quotient has dropped by 7.5%. Okay, that’s significant, but of little serious interest. The other stats are a matter of 2% and the wife being five years older has been dropping over the past 7 years. The real cougar stat (10 years and older) is essentially flat. Notice the deceptive use of graphics, where the vertical scaling is off by a magnitude but the scale of the lines is equal.

    The most telling number is the average age of first marriage, which has risen for both sexes, and that helps explain the demographic decline amongst the American native population (i.e., pre-1965 Caucasian stock). That number also probably accounts for the 7.5% drop in men five years older than their wives. As one gets above certain ages (like 25 or so), age differences lose their impact.

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  4. I don’t see much of a trend. The percentage went from a little under 4 percent; up to about 6 percent; then down to a little over 5 percent.

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  5. Let us pray
    this distracts
    from the valuable analysis
    currently directed toward Femx’s tits

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  6. That is very rude.

    Betas have to get it from somewhere.

    Respect our rights.

    Not everyone can bang a young hot woman.

    I would pick a hot older woman over a young fugly beast.

    Like Peter’s specimen.

    Even if her breasts fell to her knees when she took off her bra.

    That is what closed eyes are for.

    And the missionary position.

    I also want to marry feministx.

    I might not be alpha but I can last for hours.

    I do this by jacking off 3 times before hand.

    Women love it.

    Try me once feministx.

    You will love it.

    BETABOIIIIII

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  7. on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 pm ironrailsironweights

    Note that the age differences graphs are not restricted to first marriages. At least some of these older-wife marriages are likely to involve people well past traditional marrying age. It’s no big deal if, say, a 58-year-old man marries a 64-year-old woman, both of them having been married before.

    Also, note that the percentage of marriages with the woman 5+ years older has been declining for several years, while the 10+ percentage is so low as to be almost irrelevant.

    Peter

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  8. When I was in my 20s I banged a few cougars, for the novelty (and they paid my bar bill).

    Now I’m in my late 30s and my gals are mid-20s (I hardly ever go above 27).

    I’m not planning on marrying, but if I am dumb enough to do that, she will be 10 years younger at least, probably closer to 15.

    Roissy, as usual, is a sage.

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  9. the low sex ratio of women in the cougar demographic (there are many more single older women than men in this country) leads to a situation where supply is creating its own demand.

    the older women are there and they do what they can to mask their gross deformities and sagging skin, moving down an age bracket or two in order to have a companion or a hard dick. men, finding it easier to woo the cougar than to put up with women his own age, go for this. yes, on the face, men aren’t as attracted to their choice, but the overall cost/benefit analysis yields a net positive result for them.

    so the ’75 corolla analogy still applies. the alternative to it is a new mercedes-benz; the cost of which would put you in the poor house.

    the cougar phenomenon hasn’t happened in the past because of all the social restrictions on older women slutting it up. now that our society has capitulted into a full-on hedonist’s paradise, this type of thing isn’t frowned upon.

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  10. Telling line from the new, possibly more reality-based, Mrs. Golis: “You can say all you want about something, but then there’s the experience.”

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  11. on October 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm traveling boho

    Where did you hear that the Catholic Church thinks it’s a mortal sin?

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  12. Women who make a lot more money than then men they marry, which is often the case with much younger husband marriages, are much more likely to have tough prenups than men are in the reverse situation.

    Wise up men.

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  13. Don’t make the mistake of defining all older-than-you women as cougars. A cougar is defined by her behaviour. My mother was six years older than my dad (a grade A alpha) and she was never less than a lady…and a far better choice for him than some younger slutty babe.

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  14. my mom should have been a pump and dump

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  15. I’ve dated a cople gals close to my own age who made more money – in one case, a lot more – than I do. The winner was a successful professional (not a lawyer!) who had reached her late 30s without a husband; she had done the usual – fucked her 20s away with alphas, was ready to settle down.

    Money – and her remarkable fucking abilities – aside, no thank you. She was very pretty, very sexy, quite smart, and loaded, but I just couldn’t do it.

    Plus she had the usual ‘single girl’ pathologies, which are annoying in the 20s and become certifiably overwhelming by the late 30s.

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  16. on October 21, 2009 at 2:58 pm Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew

    I just can’t understand going for an older woman. They’re so fucking jaded.

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  17. btw-thanks for the link

    I’m trying to drop a few pounds. The reminder that Thomas’s Friedman exists effectively sapped my appetite for days.

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  18. In fairness to Andrew Golis, Jessica Valenti’s clitoris is big, long, and firm enough to reach and stimulate his prostate when she goes at it from behind.

    So he did have at least one legitimate reason to marry her.

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  19. on October 21, 2009 at 3:05 pm Buzz Killington

    Chuck said: “yes, on the face, men aren’t as attracted to their choice, but the overall cost/benefit analysis yields a net positive result for them.

    so the ‘75 corolla analogy still applies. the alternative to it is a new mercedes-benz; the cost of which would put you in the poor house.”

    Kinda akin to bangin’ fatties I presume.

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  20. Are there any articles that support this idea- anything that shows men with less or no other options marry older ?

    Not to say that you are wrong; I’m simply curious to understand, on a factual basis, why you feel men marry older because they have no other choice.

    I’d like to believe that a man choosing to marry older does not say he’s low value, but rather, he simply loves the woman.

    From what I’ve heard and seen, men marry older women because they’re attracted to their maturity and / or the two simply click. The men may feel their intellectual match in an older rather than younger woman and marry accordingly.

    If I am thinking too optimistically, I’d like to be put straight on this one.

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  21. Street walkers are the fast food of sex.

    Escorts are the suit and tie steak dinner of sex.

    Cougars are the soup kitchen of sex.

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  22. my mom should have been a pump and dump

    that´s a better to say “my dad is beta”, which is still better than ” I am the offspring of a cougar and a beta”. If there is an antithesis of blue blood, that´s you. add “unkennedy” to your surnames!!!

    Where did you hear that the Catholic Church thinks it’s a mortal sin?

    Pope Paul VII said so in an enciclical in the late 50s. Since Mary was younger than Joseph when they married, it was a rule of thumb in Catholic Countries that the wife should be younger than the husband. Pope Paul VII formalyzed that.

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  23. The Valenti/Golis link reads like something from the Onion….it has to be a joke: the out of focus groom, she force feeds him “fishy fish”, he vomits as soon as he gets out of her clutches, and she tightens the choke chain with a second date at an oyster bar! The guy hates raw fish and she trains him to control his nausea. I bet they served sushi at the wedding. You know where this is going…this guy is going have his nose shoved into piscine pudenda purgatory for the rest of his days. Pray that they don’t spawn.

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  24. Valenti will give birth to a creature like an alien who will then use Golis as a host until the creature kills him once it matures

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  25. Crazy. Even if a younger American women is out of reach for you game- Why anyone would choose an older American has-been women over a young foreign hottie is beyond me.

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  26. Per Chuck, the demographics are key. Due to divorce (and in some cases never marrying at all), there are a lot of 40something women out there looking for cock – a lot more than a generation ago, certainly. So some guys will take it. Whether it’s better than no pussy at all is worth pondering.

    For a lot of betas, the other options (online gaming forever, enforced involuntary celibacy, converting to Islam) may look worse.

    However, if the cougar has kids, you’d have to be out of your mind to do anything more than a pump-and-dump.

    Best of all would still be to get out in the world and snag a young Eastern European hottie while you can.

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  27. Cougars don’t yell, don’t swell and are grateful as Hell.

    But youth still beats all.

    I hope these guys are marrying them for their money.

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  28. Very funny and entertaining post. The name, “Roissy”, has no doubt been placed on white pieces of paper that get placed in the center of feminist’s dartboards in academic lounges all over the fruited plain yet again.

    By the way, for those who love to laugh, I humbly offer this:

    That is 2:31 in length. Its called “Stormtroopers 9/11”. It starts pretty funny and builds up to a comic crescendo that makes fun of all of us in a profound way. The ending is simply classic. Enjoy guys and gals.

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  29. KR:

    “However, if the cougar has kids, you’d have to be out of your mind to do anything more than a pump-and-dump.”

    well, unless she has a hot daughter.

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  30. on October 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm Biting Beaver

    Do you know that most rape tends to happen between an OLDER MAN against a younger woman?

    While going on and on about older men this, older men that….keep that in mind.

    And most sexual abuses of younglings are done by older men.

    Oh yes, get your anti rape kit here:
    http://rapepreventionkit.com/

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  31. Well said, Chuck, well said …

    I’ve tag-teamed a pair of sisters, never a mother-daughter combo; could be missing something great.

    Gotta put that on the bucket list, obviously. Conveniently I live a 3 minute walk fom one of the most famous cougar bars in the whole country, so I think it can be accomplished.

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  32. what’s the over/under on the number of years before the NY Times officially changes its name to Stuff White People Like? look at the writer’s name: dakota lane… you don’t get much more SWPL than that.

    it’s really convenient how these progressive types spend their lives railing against “tradition”, but somehow manage to make enough peace with the system to enjoy the benefits of a nice wedding, italian gold wedding bands, and a write-up in the NY Times. what a fraud.

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  33. […] Read more from the original source:  The Beta Crisis of American Men Marrying Older Women […]

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  34. Biting Beaver

    Do you know that most rape tends to happen between an OLDER MAN against a younger woman?

    hey dude,
    whatever works
    don’t argue with success

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  35. Bar Pilar has valet? who are they kidding?

    [editor: goddammit they should. that place is 100% CLASS. let’s see your class pass!]

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  36. @ bting beaver

    if the COck of Obama rammed your holes, given that you share an IP, would that be rape or masturbation?

    [editor: masturapetion? autoerotic ass-ripperation? the mind reels.]

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  37. Dreamer–

    I’d like to believe that a man choosing to marry older does not say he’s low value, but rather, he simply loves the woman.

    From what I’ve heard and seen, men marry older women because they’re attracted to their maturity and / or the two simply click. The men may feel their intellectual match in an older rather than younger woman and marry accordingly.

    If I am thinking too optimistically, I’d like to be put straight on this one.

    Lots of teenage boys are genuinely most attracted to older women. The girls they’re typically most attracted to, girls in their early or middle twenties or at most late twenties, i.e. the age range of Playboy etc., they can rarely attract themselves. Unless sometimes mid or late twenties married girls including teachers.

    Very few men are actually attracted to the maturity of women past at most their mid 30s but more likely early thirties. They know that older women love to hear that they are though, so they lie about it or anyway greatly exaggerate the meager pluses that exist.

    Men are attracted to someone they can click with and who’s really attracted to them, sure. That usually militates in the direction of a small age spread, rather than towards a lot older woman.

    If a 30yo in shape beta 60k /yr guy’s choice is between an obese 29yo girl and an elegant and pretty if aging 36yo professional woman pulling 160k year, who really appreciates his “boyish charm”, he may well prefer the later. Especially if she thinks she’s gotten a feminist catch cause of age and neither mind her having the pants in the family. Especially if he’s despairing of ever getting with a girl that doesn’t leave him for an alpha.

    Prediction, that 36yo will cheat with older alphas a couple of years down the road. But she’ll have gotten a prenup (which are widely culturally accepted for higher earning women “to protect themselves”) and will get custody so he’ll get zip if he leaves her upon discovery, in feminist America.

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  38. on October 21, 2009 at 4:20 pm Rollo Tomassi

    The social reinforcement of the MILF fantasy is just a modern extension of the “she’s still got it” social convention with the latent purpose of leveling the playing field for 30-40 something single mothers unable to sexually compete for the same calibre men with 18-28 y.o. women. The harsh truth is that a beautiful, childless, sexually available, single woman in her mid 20’s is at a decided advantage for sexual selection than a single mother entering her 30’s or 40’s who’s encumbered with all the responsibilities of being a parent.

    Women’s sexual value naturally declines as they ages – it serves an older woman’s purpose if she can redefine sexuality as her conditions change through life, and convince herself and society that she’s correct and genuine. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore may epitomize this fantasy, but in reality, there are thousands of women filling gyms across the country for every Demi Moore convinced that they “still got it” while every year a new crop of 22-24 y.o. hotties commands the attention of the same men they’re competing for. This is just the natural extension of the ‘Have It All” lie that women have been sold for the last 50 years. Beta men only too eagerly buy this convention as well because it facilitates a Buffer for them and (presumedly) presents an easier route to getting laid. Therefore it is also in their own interest that the myth and the Buffer be reinforced.

    Buffers are generally the paths of least rejection that become ego-invested “preferences.” When a guy is consistently rejected by women of his own generation, but finds consistent success with older women, his necessity becomes their virtue and the older woman conveniently becomes his ‘preference’.

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  39. on October 21, 2009 at 4:20 pm Biting Beaver

    Apparently the republican entrenched health insurance company thinks that RAPE IS A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION!

    For the love of mary!

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  40. “Biting Beaver
    Do you know that most rape tends to happen between an OLDER MAN against a younger woman?”

    That’s obvious. Men want to have sex with young FERTILE WOMEN, that is women aged somewhere between 14-35.
    Preferably, women aged 16-24 when they are at their absolute peak.
    Maybe most rapists are a little bit older than their victims. But in general, rapists are YOUNG MEN in their late teens to their thirties who are horny as hell and can’t control themselfes, specialy young low IQ blacks who can’t control their urges and want some nice young white pussy.

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  41. the car analogy works well. with most cars, the vlaue drops the moment you drive it off the lot. that being said, there are a few classic models that, if kept in vintage condition, i wouldn’t mind driving around in.

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  42. on October 21, 2009 at 4:29 pm Rollo Tomassi

    ,..the mass media will play up a stat like this as proof that cougars are coming into their own,..”

    For all the self-affirming flag waving about how mature women are just as (if not more) sexy as their 20’s sexual competition, I still haven’t seen the cosmetic company nor the fashion designers interested in products to help women appear older than they are.

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  43. on October 21, 2009 at 4:29 pm Biting Beaver

    @ GIG,

    Interesting question, Gay ‘n Gigolo(that is your “GIG” right?)…rape or masturbation?…hmmm…..kinda sounds like this question: If your father, your anus and your sister share the same dildo over a bottle of wine and Rohypnol, will that be rape or masturbation?

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  44. Baseball analyst Steve Phillips bangs 22 year old ESPN employee:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AsETdmBUfW3wpVc9R0nP_X45nYcB?slug=ap-espn-phillips-affair&prov=ap&type=lgns

    I can’t find a picture of his wife, but she must be a real dog. I thought a good looking guy like that could get a better looking mistress no problem. Frankly, I’m a bit disappointed, Steve.

    Re: Cougars
    I agree with J R’s class car analogy. Everyone wants to have/drive the new BMW, but a few people might like to drive classic cars every now and then.

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  45. by the way, i know it’s fun to shit on outlets like the NY Times and accuse them of furthering some feminist/new age agenda for ideological reasons, but the reason that the media placates aging women is as much, if not more, economic than anything else. women buy a lot of health and beauty products and they tend to control household spending, so the media telling them what they want to hear is a rather rational market outcome.

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  46. on October 21, 2009 at 4:42 pm Biting Beaver

    FaggotPowder and Gay-I-Gigolo,

    That is “firepower” and “GIG” for you. Why are we still even talking?

    I need to stuff something into your mouth. Perhaps, feministx used tampons will do….mixed with lemonade:TAMPONADE. Bloody-yellowish in colour. Certain you will love it.

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  47. Agree with Polichinello that the plotted data mostly shows NO CHANGES over 40 years. The exception: as age of marriage rises, the age differences are eliminated.

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  48. will that be rape or masturbation?

    you sexist !!! where´s my mother in that story? is she being cuckolded by my father with and my sister?

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  49. age met weight and both agreed:

    “anony has too much of both of us”

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  50. @Doug1
    Interesting… and thanks for a substantive and refreshing response. I understand that and it makes perfect sense.

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  51. on October 21, 2009 at 5:08 pm mafishfalastin

    There is a picture in Valenti’s flickr site that perfectly exemplifies what Roissy wrote about the natural way for couples to hold hands. Want to guess whose hand is in the dominant position?

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  52. when i was 22, i dated a 29 year old stewardess. that was hot

    but now, at 34, i avoid women over 29. i went on a date with a 30 year old (model) and MY MOM said “what’s wrong with her?”. heh

    it’s fun to have arbitrary rules and let women know. disqualifying tactic. find out her age. tell her you don’t date girls over (her age -1)

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  53. There’s no trend of men marrying older women. The percentage of men marrying women 5 years older has only gone from 4% to 5.5% – in FIFTY years.

    The % of women marrying men 5 yrs older or more has gone down but is still over 25%.

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  54. on October 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Gannon:

    “specialy young low IQ blacks who can’t control their urges and want some nice young white pussy.”

    Oh god no.

    Bardamu’s Law – As a Roissy in DC discussion grows longer, the probability of it turning into a shitstorm about race approaches 1.

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  55. Jack–

    The % of women marrying men 5 yrs older or more has gone down but is still over 25%.

    Girls are very often attracted to men more than five years older than they are and even ten or a few more years older when those men actually hit on them.

    The biggest obstacle by far beyond the usual hot girl bitch shield stuff and her assumption that because of age you’ll act gaga beta with her even if you wouldn’t with someone closer to your own age, is what her friends will think. That makes winning over the opinion of her friends, starting with the girls around her where you meet her, critical. It’s always important in game but it’s critical in dating younger women.

    You want to be seen as the exception. Worry about turning around their general view of dating much older guys much later if at all.

    You win her friends over not by being nice to them of course but by gaming them. Also the social proof of having other hot girls around the same age interested in you is gold of course.

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  56. My future wife’s parents haven’t even met yet.

    – MPM

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  57. Ferdinand–

    Gannon’s an Argentinian living in same. He shouldn’t count for that.

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  58. Ferdinand–

    Gannon’s an Argentinian living in same. He shouldn’t count for that.

    Translation for those who don’t speak Doug:

    “Since he’s doing antiblack racism not antiwhite and since he’s not Obsidian so I’ll rationalize it away like I always do. But if Obsidian dares respond to him, I’ll accuse him of race-baiting.”

    😉

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  59. Dragon Attack by Queen = WIN.

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  60. Joe, Ferdi, thanks. Of course, Doug1’s comments wrt Gannon (who’s views wrt sex I find sickening personally, but that’s his business) pretty much says it all-so long as it’s a White guy, he can say pretty much anything he likes along racial lines, but the minute anyone Black, and especially myself, says anything, out comes “kraken” language and the like. Its beyond unfair and low, its downright intellectually dishonest and cowardly.

    Lest anyone gets it twisted, in no way do I condone rape. It is a vile criminal act and should be punished severely, period.

    The Obsidian

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  61. Doug1 the pussy v. O-Foreman???

    <>

    This is like Hitler fighting Stalin.

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  62. Haven’t I ever mentioned the mulato Brazilian inmigrants who are raping Argentinian girls? Just kidding,
    I was trying to provoke Biting Beaver.
    Let’s keep this threat about men marrying older women. In general, there is no reason for a man to marry an older women, unless she is much richer than the man or the woman is only a few years older and very attracrive. (for example a 25 year old marrying a 27 year old 9).
    There is per se nothing wrong about sportsfucking milfs, single mothers or chubby BBWs (read chubby, not the really fat ones who are just gross). However, marrying, that is putting your financial assets behind an older woman, a single mother mother or a fat woman who will develope healthissues is just completely moronic. I’m still surprised how many American men are willing to marry older women and single mothers and dedicate their resources to rise another men’s offspring. They are not only losers and manginas, but outright idiotic and comitting evolutionary suicide.

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  63. “Bardamu’s Law – As a Roissy in DC discussion grows longer, the probability of it turning into a shitstorm about race approaches 1.”

    Dude, what do you care?

    You used to be all up in Prozium’s blog/forum.

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  64. Obsidian

    out comes “kraken” language and the like

    Roissy’s phrase not mine. Keep it straight Obsidian.

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  65. G- I like your style, as always. I’m just watching the master like a young Jackie Chan learning the snake style.

    Ferdinand- Good thinking, but Borel and Cantelli beat you to it- respect to any fellow math heads in here.

    Obsidian- Were you expecting intellectual honesty and and staunch gallantry on a site largely populated by misogynistic betas?

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  66. Joe

    “Since he’s doing antiblack racism not antiwhite and since he’s not Obsidian so I’ll rationalize it away like I always do.

    There is no one that rationalizes away or at most stays shut on race baiting than just about all the black commenters on here virtually all the time. That is something that we can count on with considerable certainty.

    White race baiting does draw fire from other whites sometimes. As from Ferdinand here. And from me on occasion. But if any white such as myself fails to fully white knight for blacks on here each and every time, now that’s terrible.

    Total double standard applied consitently by blacks on here as of right.

    Chic has very rarely, but a couple of times asked Obsidian to cool it, but far more often said it wasn’t his fault. That’s about it that I’ve seen.

    As well there’s a difference between stating something as a fact or likely fact for which there’s considerable scientific evidence, or stating a preference etc in a non belittling way, and belittling and specifically working to undermine confidence. I.e. intentional baiting.

    Now stating that it’s the rare black girl who isn’t fat is clearly race baiting, and something the Mu’min likes fat women does all the time. It’s something I’ve repeatedly criticized him and a few other from doing.

    No blacks have ever repeatedly criticized any specific black person on her for repeated race baiting that I’ve seen.

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  67. As for the topic, I don’t see an increase of younger guys marrying or for that matter really dating much older Women. Now of course, things can always be done on the downlow, so who knows what goes on behind closed doors. But in terms of just eyeballing it out on the street, out and about in my daily travels, I’m not seeing it.

    As for the matter of older Women getting sex, I think studies show that they do get it if they want it. I may have my issues with FeministX, but she’s right when she says that for all but the most ugly of Women, sex aint realy that big a deal. And in an age where Women don’t necessarily *need* a Man in a day to day kind of way, when it comes to sex, most Women can and do win.

    Keep in mind, 80% of all Women who ever lived have gone on to pass on their genes; only about half of all Men ever did. Simply put, when it comes to getting sex, Women have an upperhand, and there’s really no getting around that.

    HOWEVER, as we all know, it’s a question of quality, rather than quantity for most Women, and there’s the rub for them. But that’s another story insofar as this topic is concerned.

    The Obsidian

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  68. The G Manifesto

    My future wife’s parents haven’t even met yet.

    – MPM

    Ha! I often use to say that my future wife hadn’t been born yet. You’ve taken it a generation further!

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  69. Cool car!

    Beaters are neater!

    I feel like a Nascar Driver in the city in my old POS. Occasionally, I bring my mother to the airport in her fancy car and everyone is crowding me into the meridian all the time. In my beater from hell though, I crowd them right the fuck back… people see me barrelling down the road at 800mph with the fenders-a-flapping and they somehow “know” that I don’t give a shit, and get the hell out of the way. Don’t have an alarm or use the club either… steal my car, please! Never happens.

    But, you are right, not cool for dates. It is a cheap tool, not an extension of one’s character… but, I mostly I drive the Vauxall… I Vaux All De Way Der, and den I Vaux All De Way Back. Keeps me trim too. Totally uncool to pull up in a beater… unless it’s a beater truck with cool toys in the back, like a brand new dirtbike or the biggest, baddest snowmobile in the land (high powered sleds work better than a Porsche for scoring chicks, in the appropriate regions of course), then it is indeed cool again to pull up in the beater from hell.

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  70. “Since he’s doing antiblack racism not antiwhite and since he’s not Obsidian so I’ll rationalize it away like I always do. But if Obsidian dares respond to him, I’ll accuse him of race-baiting.”

    stop whinning Joe

    Only us bitter-white guys who cannot get laid have the right to whinning in this blog. The Argentine just stated a fact.

    We are all Argentinians now. When that financial hellhole finally pays its defaulted debt, more than a few millionaires who bought that debt after the default will appear in São Paulo and New York

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  71. Age is a criteria of those with undeveloped personalities, really, if you prefer young, its like preferring an eye colour or a certain haircut etc, Im not saying a young person is bad, not at all, its just when you make such a ice cold differentiation bw young/not so young that gets disturbing.

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  72. Age is a criteria of those with undeveloped personalities, really, if you prefer young, its like preferring an eye colour or a certain haircut etc, Im not saying a young person is bad, not at all, its just when you make such a ice cold differentiation bw young/not so young that gets disturbing.

    You want to know why it’s easy to make?

    1) Guys pride physical beauty above all else when looking for a mate

    2) Younger girls are MORE beautiful than older women.

    3) End of story.

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  73. “Age is a criteria of those with undeveloped personalities”
    Um, no. Evoltion determined men to like young females because only young females are fertile. A normal men doesn’t really have much use for a female under 14 or above 40, UNLESS HE BONDED WITH HER DURING HER YOUTH. An older woman who you haven’t loved during her youth fertile years is a consolation prize as best. It amazes me how many people deny basic human instincts.

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  74. In the end beauty is only an indicator of fertility.

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  75. I have to disagree that younger girls are more beautiful. and lets say, you marry a hot girl around 20 years of age, how do you know what she will look like at 30, it goes fast down hill for some girls, what divorce???
    Either you look good or not, in her teens any girl is beautiful.

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  76. I find quoting so called ‘science’ problematic, because:

    1. How many of those who quote so called ‘science’ have actually looked in the methodologies behind the conclusions?

    2. Have you factored in agendas, corruption and fraud. Scientists are human, and just as prone to human weaknesses?

    3. So called ‘soft sciences’, which are based on selective data from complex systems, are particularly prone to fraud.

    4. Have any of you ever tried to check the validity of various theories, by testing them to failure to find their limitations?

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  77. As per usual, there goes Gig scapegoating, yet again.

    Even when I clearly said, that I don’t condone rape, no matter WHO does it. Its a crime, and should be severely punished. Period.

    Now, I want Gig to answer this…

    WHO was responsible for the Argentinian economical collapse in recent years? The richer White folks, or the poorer Black ones? Please explain?

    The Obsidian

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  78. “Either you look good or not, in her teens any girl is beautiful.”

    Now I completely agree with you. With this kind of attitue, you can become my pupil.

    Seriously, the goal of sex is reproduction. Females have very complex reproductive organs, which only work properly during her youth. Therefore, features which indicate youth like soft skin without wrinkles, round faces, firm breasts and asscheaks are considered beautiful. Nature wants men to reproduce, that’s why nature made men to lust after young girls, because a load of sperm in a fortysomething woman means wasted resources. Men can obtain pleasure from older women through analogy, because they are similar to young women, but they will never beat the real deal.
    Fertility=youth (in females)=beauty
    Because men stay fertile for much longer, they can still be attractive (beautiful) at least into their fifties, whereas for most women past midthirties it’s GAME OVER.

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  79. Wow that’s a staggering statistic. This is kind of funny because my mom used to always tell me to marry someone about 10 years younger when I decide to get married LOL.

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  80. Obsidian–

    Simply put, when it comes to getting sex, Women have an upperhand, and there’s really no getting around that.

    HOWEVER, as we all know, it’s a question of quality, rather than quantity for most Women, and there’s the rub for them. But that’s another story insofar as this topic is concerned.

    Women do have the upper hand compared to beta men, but much less of one or none at all compared to alphas.

    As well I don’t think it’s as hard for betas to get laid at all as it sometimes appears from the comments on this board. When you get into it with them as I have sometimes here, it tends to turn out that they mean it’s really hard for them to get laid by 6’s and up. Most of them could get fattish 5’s and 4s if they wanted to, not to mention 3’s from what I can tell from close questioning.

    Middle beta men themselves occupy the 5&6 number positions in Roissy’s ranking chart.

    If we’re talking Omega like DA getting laid by most anyone, yeah for them it’s hard. Even DA could swing it though if he’d get more realistic about his league. But he won’t, and would rather get nothing. Which illustrates what I’m talking about.

    It does seem to be the case that whereas a few decades ago a 20 something greater beta with a good job could get a 7 for a LTR after he’d jumped through hoops showing commitment, whereas now he’ll be lucky to get a 6 until he’s looking at 30s girls.

    As I’ve said a number of times before, it seems to me that the best strategy for betas while they’re studying up on game is to first of all use it on relatively attractive and then for their age cougars or MILF’s. Divorced, perhaps never married, or depending on their moral feelings, even still married if she’s prowling. (If she’s prowling she’ll find someone.) Lots of times older women do have a thing for younger guys for casual these days. For one thing it’s in the air. It’s one of the few things the media culture is promoting that beta white guys can use to their advantage.

    Still will help a lot to appear at least a little edgie and not TOO eager much less needy. Working out will help a lot.

    That’s not the way to go for a LTR of course (or at least a male exclusive one) much less marrying. But a series of that can maybe get a lot of in shape middle betas through the desert of their twenties while they studying game both from the webs and internets and intially on the easier field of cougars. Who will also be good sex teachers, many of them.

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  81. Re: Women’s Economic “Power”

    Women only control household spending where their whipped husband lets them. Women buy more things on credit, take on more subprime mortgages, and generally waste more money. They watch far more TV than men and are much more susceptible to advertising. Essentially, women “make more purchasing decisions” because they are stupid and easily parted with their money. Just because women blow more money does not confer upon them any kind of special status or recognition.

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  82. All I have to say, Roissy, is this was a brilliant post. You have crystallized my ideas about this trend perfectly, and I cannot add a thing to what you’ve written here. Every American female between 20 and 50 should read this and study this well. And so should the newsmedia, which are their facilitators.

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  83. Upon further review, it seems to me that the important chart here is the one on the right which shows average age of first marriage.

    The two lines are basically moving in lockstep with eachother. To me, that means that girls are waiting longer to get married and men too are waiting longer.

    Seems to me that undercuts Roissy’s hypothesis. If Roissy’s hypothesis were correct, one would expect the line for girls to rise and get closer to the line for men.

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  84. “Middle beta men themselves occupy the 5&6 number positions in Roissy’s ranking chart.”

    Good point. In college, guys would always complain about girls gaining the “Freshman 15.” Meanwhile, these same guys were rocking a beer gut, a 3 day-old stubble and a stained tee-shirt.

    Thus, the importance of Inner Game. I totally agree with you about working out, and even better is to study a martial art. If done properly, both will strengthen the body and mind.

    I know a lot of Game-gurus espouse a “fake it ’til you make it” strategy, but, for me, my outer game has always been a reflection of my inner self. As the latter goes, so does the first.

    If you want to get 10s… BE a 10. Ya know what I mean?

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  85. What the charts show is that the incidents of husbands being 5-10 years older increased considerably in the 80s and especially nineties, but gave back almost all of the 80s increase in the oughts. The 90s really were the fever pitched height of feminist propaganda and law changing (for the worse for men of course).

    Men are still about 5x more likely to be 5-10 years older than their wives, and also about 5x more likely to be 10 or more years older, than the reverse. At 25%, a substantial proportion of marriages have men 5-10 years older, but the reverse is still uncommon but no longer really rare.

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  86. on October 21, 2009 at 9:24 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Cayman:

    “Dude, what do you care?

    You used to be all up in Prozium’s blog/forum.”

    What are you babbling about, bub? Who the fuck is Prozium?

    Lucius Hunt:

    “Good thinking, but Borel and Cantelli beat you to it- respect to any fellow math heads in here.”

    I was thinking more along the lines of Godwin’s Law.

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  87. For some reason I find myself more deeply attracted to women a year or two older than me. The physical attraction isn’t as strong. Since east asians don’t age bad this is almost exclusively east asian meat. There are a few who didn’t slut up much – they were in LTRs that didn’t pan out for them and they clung to a alpha dude who was using them.

    And I do have options to bang 25 year old school teacher/nurse types but I don’t like it as much. Even though I have an assload of money and am making more – it is really nice not to have to spring for a hotel room deal with her roomates when I need a love nest. Where I live houses cost a lot of money. It’s nice to have a woman you can relate to, who likes the same music.

    But you’re right, I’m not sure I want to tap 50 year old poon (even east asian poon) when I’m George Clooney old. I want to tap that mid-30’s chick for a long time.

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  88. Hell yeah this is one of those posts where Chauncy gets on a roll. You know what’s missing is where he laughs at his own joke, heh.

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  89. Doug,
    From where I sit, and I gotta be real here, the only guys who seem to have a really hard time of it in terms of meeting/bedding chicks, as a group, are White Beta Guys. I’ve never heard a Brotha complain of not being able to get laid prior to “meeting” David Alexander, and I do think there is something to be said for Brothas in general being a bit more relaxed in their standards in terms of getting laid.

    A lot of the White guys here and elsewhere, if their comments are to be believed, are entirely too unrealistic. Unless you’re looking to get married, all the “requirements” just aren’t necessary, and since most of these guys aren’t marrying, they really need to cool their jets, get realistic and do the darned thing.

    Then there’s this idea that these guys are *entitled* to the top tier guys simply because they’re smart, gainfully employed and highly educated. How many times has that model proved to fail? LOL. They still on some 1959 stuff, Man. If what they were saying actually worked, there’d be no need for Game in the first place, right? Simply put, being a smart, nice guy gets you about as much action as a cup of coffee at Starbucks, which is saying, none.

    UNLESS, you’re willing to settle for some gal out in Utah or something like that, you know, flyover country. But since we know most White guys here aren’t willing to move there because they really want the “hot” chicks too, we might as well not even go there.

    And what Lucious said was right on point-what is up with this idea that you want the hottest chick around, but you’re looking like HELL?!? I mean, that whole “schlub” look a lot of White guys have goin’ on is whacked, I gotta tell ya. And to be sure, a lot of Brothas aint doin’ much better, w/the pants down around their knees, long white tees in the summer and the rest of it. But at least the Black community has had a long tradition of guys looking good, so it’s not a total loss there. W/my White brothers…whew.

    So yea, I would agree largely with you, and its good you mentioned Dave Alex, because he sums it up perfectly-far too many guys have wildly unrealistic expectations, coupled with their complete ignorance, or unwillingness to improve themselves so that they can be more attractive options to the Women they claim to want-then, usually get mad when somone points all this out to them. In Dave Alex’s case, he just bugs everyone to death with his presence.

    I think the Cougars are doing a good service for Humanity, giving younger guys first starting out and Betas in general a chance to get some action. So long as you’re reasonably presentable and well-adjusted, you should do just fine.

    The Obsidian

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  90. One of Pupu’s younger cousins just got married. It made Pupu feels so old.

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  91. on October 21, 2009 at 9:50 pm Albion Moonlight

    I notice that the graph for “women 10 years older” has changed less than 1 percent. I would not call that any kind of a trend.

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  92. “feel” not “feels.” The wine is working. Sorry.

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  93. Is the v-shape on the right graph significant? I was surprised that the average age of first marriage for men declined after 1900 and took 90 years to recover.

    I thought everyone used to get married at age 15 before cars.

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  94. The Jessica Valenti and Andrew Golis story has to be one of the sickest I have ever read.

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  95. “biktopia
    I have to disagree that younger girls are more beautiful. and lets say, you marry a hot girl around 20 years of age, how do you know what she will look like at 30, it goes fast down hill for some girls, what divorce???
    Either you look good or not, in her teens any girl is beautiful.”

    ~

    What planet are you on? Obesity is on the increase, none moreso than amongst early teens.

    The pool of hot young women will be ever decreasing in the years ahead – and you can apportion a large part of the blame to young women not being able to control the urge to splurge their fat laden bodies with junk.

    I don’t know whats worse. A fat teen, or a leather skinned cougar.

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  96. *waits for lurker to insult zunder*

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  97. Did anyone actually read the article?

    Yet Ms. Valenti said she has never been doctrinaire and does not hide her affection for high heels, formulaic crime dramas, vampire books and the occasional reality show.

    “You come to a point where you give up on holding yourself to a perfect feminist ideal — it just feels stifling,” said Ms. Valenti, who teaches a gender and pop culture class at Rutgers.

    Some of her ideas “softened a bit” once she was faced with the reality of planning a wedding. “You can say all you want about something, but then there’s the experience.”

    Innate biology FTW!

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  98. Doug 1 Chic has very rarely, but a couple of times asked Obsidian to cool it, but far more often said it wasn’t his fault. That’s about it that I’ve seen.

    That’s because it usually isn’t Mu’s fault.

    [editor: you’re full of shit, as usual. ob baits at least 50% of the time. blame lies equally with himself as well as with others.]

    People bait him 90% of the time and you very well know that. I won’t speak out against Mu just to make you happy because I’m not that type, see DA for that.

    I will accuse Mu if I generally believe he was wrong.
    I don’t visit as often I once did nor do I read the bulk of the race comments. There are about five commenters I scroll past as soon as I see their handle because I know they are race trolls.

    Anyway, I’ve whitenighted you a few times. The most recent was during “yumgate” when you were being ripped a new one by some of the guys here. IIRC, Mu came to your defense too.

    Now stating that it’s the rare black girl who isn’t fat is clearly race baiting, and something the Mu’min likes fat women does all the time.

    You have, must have been recently.

    No blacks have ever repeatedly criticized any specific black person on her for repeated race baiting that I’ve seen.
    Most of the blks here don’t involve themselves in the race discussions.

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  99. I have to disagree that younger girls are more beautiful. and lets say, you marry a hot girl around 20 years of age, how do you know what she will look like at 30, it goes fast down hill for some girls, what divorce???
    Either you look good or not, in her teens any girl is beautiful.

    You’re living in a warped fantasy land.

    Younger girls are generally going to be much more attractive than their older counterparts. If the decision of hundreds of millions of men around the world in picking mates YOUNGER than them isn’t proof enough, just look at the scientific literature. The mountain of evidence is pointing in one direction.

    So if I married a hot girl around age 20, I expect her to be less hot at age 30. That’s the just the way nature goes. But it’s not cruel. Just indifferent.

    But as a woman I don’t expect you to understand any of this. It’s not in your interest to get real with the story. So just go about to your tarot cards and horoscopes will the rest of us men try to sort out this messy affair we call existence.

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  100. @roissy- Go ahead, continue to attack me.

    [editor: as long as you are a lying cunt, i will.]

    I know how much you like screaming and railing at women.

    [correction: i like railing at you.]

    In my world, that makes you a chump.

    [your world is a bigoted cesspool.]

    You can respond but I won’t bother reading your idiotic comment.

    [still shitting in your mouth…]

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  101. The best thing about fucking cougars is that they really make an effort, because being old it could be the last time they get a chance to fuck.

    Before I married, I practically made a career out of banging cougars, here in Orange County, CA. I’ve fucked the wives of local bank executives, minor celebrities/actresses, and drugged divorcees.

    But this being OC, California, your typical cougar here is probably a lot hotter than the typical cougar in other locales.

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  102. Chic Noir …why do you have a second head growing out from your deltoid?

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  103. Hold up, Roissy.

    First off, I take exception to the really downright mean way you treat Chic Noir, Man. I have no problem with you disagreeing with her, but dang, all the going hard at her the way you do really isn’t necessary.

    [editor: actually, yes it is. she’s a lying, bigoted bitch who will defend her gender/race/herself to her dying breath no matter how damning the evidence to the contrary.]

    Second, you say that I racebait half of all discussions here? Really?

    [from what i can see you racebait almost as often as your detractors. i rarely get into these race discussions because i said what i wanted to say on the subject and repeating myself 100 times to people who don’t listen or comprehend just seems so pointless.]

    So, how do you explain the many things that were said wrt Black/Brown folk long before I came along? And of the many, off the wall things said by others here since? Please explain?

    The Obsidian

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  104. Why would a sane man want to marry?

    It is cheaper to fuck around or buy sex, and the bitch will drain your soul if you marry her.

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  105. In general, 20 year olds are hotter than 30 year olds.

    But certain women — notably, thin petite ones — tend to retain their youthful good looks well into their 30’s.

    In this case, a 30 year old pixie might be a better bet than the smooth skinned 20 year old who ends up chubbing out in 7-10 years.

    (Talking LTR/marriage)

    [editor: a-fucking-men. pixie chicks ftw.]

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  106. Obsidian is a smooth operator.

    A smoooooooooooth………operator…

    …at race-baiting.

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  107. Question for Cannon:

    Who is gayer:

    Wal-e, or Wall-E?

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  108. [editor: a-fucking-men. pixie chicks ftw.]

    Yeah. As for the other half, I was thinking of that slut in your Tucker Max posting. The cute blond. I immediately saw it in her face. I know the type all too well. Really cute and fuckable till about 24-25, then they pork up with their little pig-snouts. They look like smooth plums in their youth but turn into water balloons.

    The other day I met an hispanic female customer who I thought was in her 30’s. Not particularly “hot”, had small tits, but she was thin and svelte and had a very pretty face. I was strangely drawn to her. Turned out she was *47*. And I was totally willing to fuck her.

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  109. While we’re here, what’s a good halloween costume for picking up girls in slutty costumes? They’re pretty much my favorite thing in the world.

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  110. rapidly depreciating assets after age 25

    My friend once articulated this scenario in trader terms as a situation of Backwardation vs the opposite concept of Contango

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  111. What is surprising is the Hollywood chicks, actresses and suchlike, who have options (various guys around their own age) who choose, routinely, older guys. Over and over again, they say it is because the older guys are more “masculine” …

    Now with testosterone decreasing with age, that has to be either mis-identification (i.e. smooth assurance with experience) or something hugely significant in the culture that makes younger guys less assertive/masculine. Call it the hypothesized “Ashton Kutcher effect.

    Kutcher is ripped, tall, gym-toned, and about as masculinely threatening on camera is Bronson Pinchot, cousin Balki from Perfect Strangers. Charles Bronson in his prime, or heck Richard Boone (neither “pretty” and with faces that had seen a fist or two) in his prime could have outscored that guy. Neither seemed to have married their mother, unlike Kutcher.

    The A and B list celebrity chicks all go about same-age, or even younger guys. BUT … the C list and below chicks tend to get much older guys. Chelsea Handler, Eliza Dushku, Adrienne Curry, Celine Dion, Hillary Duff, and Amber Tamblyn come to mind. I suspect some of it has to do with Daddy issues, and other parts being “taken care of” but perhaps a great deal being “Ashton Kutcher disease.” There seems to be a great demand for feminine type behavior by younger girls (15-22) that puts guys in poor standing once they age beyond College.

    A guy like Pete Wentz can pull it off because he’s a rock star (or what passes for that these days). Joe Average just comes off kinda gay.

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  112. Whiskey — how they hell do you know so much….

    STUFF?

    I mean, I usually agree with you and everything…it’s just that, for a guy your age… I dunno man.

    But yeah, chiks are choosign Ashton Kutcher over Don Draper. And that wouldn’t be so bad if were not for the fact, as you say, that Joe Average just comes off as a faggot trying to pull that shit off.

    Women’s demands are reaching into the rarefied stratosphere of their adolescent dreams and only those men in L.A., or “the biz” can fulfill those dreams.

    P.S. Post a pic, I’m dying to know.

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  113. If we’re talking Omega like DA getting laid by most anyone, yeah for them it’s hard. Even DA could swing it though if he’d get more realistic about his league. But he won’t, and would rather get nothing.

    I am realistic in regards to my value as a sub-human male. There are no females in my league, as I am too low and lack value for all women regardless of race, class, or beauty.

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  114. No DA, your problem is you only get horny for porn chicks.

    You will NEVER get a porn chick.

    Porn has ruined your life.

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  115. on October 22, 2009 at 3:31 am The Fifth Horseman

    I have to say that there are a suprising number of actresses who were hot at 20, but by the tender age of 30 have declined markedly. They still should have it together at 30, being in showbiz and all, but the fall from 20 to 30 was stark.

    Examples that come to mind are :

    Jennifer Love Hewitt
    Nikki Cox
    Christina Applegate

    Of the three women on ‘Friends’ who were 27-30 at the start of the show, two of the three declined steeply by the end. Only one, Jennifer Aniston, still held it together by the end (and she was the youngest of the 3 actresses).

    The most troubling plunge of all, of course, is Keely Shaye Smith. She was a 9.5 or 10 at age 33 or so, married Pierce Brosnan in 1998, when he was at his peak as James Bond, but now, just 11 years later, is FAT. She fell from a 9/9.5 to a 3 in just 11 years! This is a shame, given that she is in showbiz and all, and should have access to better information and peer pressure. This is Pierce Brosnan’s wife, for god sakes.

    I never thought I would utter the following words : I am glad that I DON’T have to sleep with the woman Pierce Brosnan has to sleep next to.

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  116. on October 22, 2009 at 3:35 am The Fifth Horseman

    No DA, your problem is you only get horny for porn chicks.

    You will NEVER get a porn chick.

    Porn has ruined your life.

    There is evidence that this happens to a lot of guys, including those with much higher aspirations/attributes than DA.

    It is a problem. For men and for women. And it will get worse in coming years for reasons discussed elsewhere.

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  117. on October 22, 2009 at 3:41 am The Fifth Horseman

    Let me just say that this ‘cougar’ normalization is merely the latest milestone towards the collapse of feminism.

    In ALL cultures, older men with younger women was the norm.

    Islam was the most extreme. Too much so.

    But in India, large age gaps were the norm. My grandfather was 14 years older than my grandmother, and they went on and had 12 kids. His brother became a widower at 50 with 5 kids, and then married again to a woman 30 years younger (and thus about the same age as his oldest daughter). The marriage was mainly for the girl to escape poverty, but they had 3 more kids, and lasted until by grand-uncle died. His widow 2nd wife has lived as a widow for 33 years and counting, however, and is now 80 herself.

    Older men/younger women is the NORM. Period.

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  118. Had to post this. So relevant. So funny.

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  119. [email protected]:39pm

    Very good advice. Sound and practical.

    It’s partly how I grew up. I found matrons more attractive than young pups in my early twenties. Even enjoyed them occasionally up to my late twenties. Eventually I became the patron, and now can handle the exuberance and wild energies of youth.

    I don’t understand all this Couger baiting. Misses me completely.

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  120. Roissy,
    Thanks for the response, but I dint ask yo how you or why YOU said what you said. You made the claim that I “racebait” at least as much as anyone here, and that assessment would seem to be at odds with quite a few people who frequent this forum. My reply was that the “problem” is that I often respond to many racially charged comments that often have little if anything to do with the actual topic being discussed, often in the name of “keeping it real”. I also noted that, long before I joined the forum, these comments were being spewed. So, if anyone here’s “racebaiting” I think its safe to say that I rank quite far down the list.

    Now, if I’m wrong on this, you surely can provide evidence to the contrary?

    Also, on the IMBRA thread, I left a question for you wrt VK. Would like very much to get your response.

    As for Chic, no, it’s something a lot deeper than her being a “liar” (your assertion). FemX is at least as problematic and I don’t ever see you going as hard at her or a number of female posters. The only two I see you habitually going hard on is Chic and Nicole. Hmm.

    Look Man, you can and will do what you wanna. I can dig it. I just think it’s beneath you to do so.

    The Obsidian

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  121. on October 22, 2009 at 8:39 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””I do this by jacking off 3 times before hand.

    Women love it.

    Try me once feministx.

    You will love it.

    BETABOIIIIII
    ”””””””

    They love it more when you fuck them three times then go for that 4th for hours. he he he

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  122. on October 22, 2009 at 8:42 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””’tonbone
    my mom should have been a pump and dump
    ””””””
    lol

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  123. One of your tags says it all: ‘Marriage is for chumps’.

    Doesn’t matter if she’s a young hottie or an expired cougar; if you are a man and you get married, you have screwed up badly. What you have done is sign a legal contract that binds you to one pussy, with plenty of liabilities thrown in for good measure (eg. in-laws).

    Don’t be a beta. Don’t be a chump. Avoid marriage at all costs.

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  124. on October 22, 2009 at 9:19 am gunslingergregi

    Unless it is a land of free people spunk and then it is not so bad. Can be a cool thing actually to have a teamate.

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  125. on October 22, 2009 at 9:27 am finsalscollons

    Well, I think the statistics means exactly the opposite of what feminist mass media want them to mean.

    The effect that Roissy has discussed is real. With droves of women practising soft poligamy with a reduced number of alphas, beta men are doomed to be with older women because they are not able to have a pretty young girl anymore like in the old days of the patriarchy.

    So I think there are more couples where the woman is older. But look at the statistics. It is only an increase of two points IN FIFTY YEARS!!! With the average American girl becoming a hypergamous slut in droves (“Sex and the City” lifestyle), the effect should be much bigger than it is (No offense meant with the S-word: my English is not good enough to find a more polite equivalent).

    The reason is easy to understand. Most older woman-young beta men couples are not married. Beta men are willing to accept an older woman, but they are not willing to marry her.

    So the study shows the huge reluctance of men to marry older women. Older women are good for sex but not for marriage or long-term relationships. Hence, the cougar phenomenom. Cougars rationalize it thinking that they have a relationship, when the only thing they have is a desperate beta man forced to celibacy by our hypergamous dating system. A man who wants sex with a cougar until a younger girl comes.

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  126. Marriage is supposed to trade-off trajectories in mate value:

    Most men in their 20s do not have high enough status to attract a good woman their age. But the woman’s status as measured in beauty will decline in the upcoming years. Thus at first the man benefits and later the woman benefits.

    But to be honest though men still might be fertile in their 50s they are most likely less sexually active. In this way drugs as sildenafil citrate are a threat to this contract as it extends the time a man can be sexually active and thus makes a marriage look like a bad deal for a man. This is he benefits in the like 10-15 initial years but then the women benefits the rest of the time. And if a man is very sexually active beyond his 50s this aint that fair.

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  127. Obsidian untwisted:

    Lest anyone gets it twisted, in no way do I condone rape. It is a vile criminal act and should be punished severely, period.

    How
    do you feel
    about hijacking

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  128. The only thing better than a hot older woman is an older Fat woman. BIG ASS, HUGE TITS, GREAT ATTITUDE, no wrinkles, very grateful and usually good cooks.

    If that makes me a beta, so be it. I know what I like. Now, if you’ll excuse me, mama wants to sit on my face…again.

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  129. guys are being to hard on older women. A man , at 50, married to a cougar aged 40, won´t have that many options in women as many here think.

    unless he has huge game, super alpha game, or money, the market for girls under 35 will be effectivelly closed for him. Also, he won´t be as sexually active as he was at 35. Most men are simply unable to keep themselves tidy without female supervision. The natural state of affairs in a man´s home is the college dormhouse level of cleanliness.

    marriage is a bad deal if you are above average in game or money, and disastrous if both. even for men only slightly above average in game and money marriage is a good deal

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  130. FP:
    How
    do you feel
    about hijacking

    Gannon
    first hijacked
    with the
    black men raping topic
    O just
    responded

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  131. on October 22, 2009 at 11:07 am gunslingergregi

    lol Joe do you play crossing guard too he he he

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  132. Thanks for posting my link.

    I am surprised no one has commented on the fact that 25% of males have wives 5 yrs younger and 8% have wives 10 yrs younger.

    I always thought these #s were like 1-2 %; and based on meeting couples you rarely hear 5yrs or 10yrs….

    I think the NYT exposed a huge pool of young babes that men thought were unobtainable

    In the actual article this graphic comes from, a large survey indicated “men consistently dislike dolder women”

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  133. No DA, your problem is you only get horny for porn chicks.

    Why should I become horny for women that don’t want me or find me unattractive? Although, I will admit to being befuddled at the ability of some men to find arousal in average or sub-par looking women.

    You will NEVER get a porn chick.

    Porn chicks barely exist in the real world without expensive stylists and make-up artists, and they too want alpha males, so I’m well-aware of the situation.

    Porn has ruined your life.

    Porn has improved my life, and it has improved the lives of countless other men by providing an alternative sexual outlet that’s safe, legal, and not ugly. And it frees women from being subjected from the sexuality of sub-human males and beta males. Porn stars are saints for the work that they do to satiate the desires of men…

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  134. Dave Alex,
    You make some solid points I must admit. That said, given that the vast majority of Men here do not appear to be interested in the “David Alexander Option”, I am curious to know why you continue to participate in a forum that is for all intents, diametrically opposed to your aims and views? Please explain?

    The Obsidian

    PS: Just got finished watching CNN put up the FBI’s Most Wanted criminals: none of them were Black. Only White or Hispanic (read: Mexican) Males. One Russian gangster. Interesting, in case any of the HBDers wanna take that on…

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  135. One other note…

    The divorce rate for men goes to zero (or negative) as the Male older-age difference goes up.

    I had the data link somewhere but from 5-30 yrs age difference it went from 20% to fractional.

    The negative rate is when men divorce for succeedingly younger women

    Bruce Wasserstein, 61, wall st. billionaire just died on his 4th wife aged 29, who he married in march 2009…..his previous, were 60, 50, 40

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  136. Look Man, you can and will do what you wanna. I can dig it. I just think it’s beneath you to do so.

    It’s womanish to pretend like you respect another man’s independence and then indirectly try to shame them into conforming to the behavior you desire.

    You do this all the time. As such, it’s getting harder and harder to see you as something other than a whiny, passive-aggressive race-baiting bitch.

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  137. the kraken rises from his underwater lair:
    PS: Just got finished watching CNN put up the FBI’s Most Wanted criminals: none of them were Black. Only White or Hispanic (read: Mexican) Males. One Russian gangster. Interesting, in case any of the HBDers wanna take that on…

    and chic said you never race bait. who could believe chic is a liar? my trust… shattered.

    ps your bait is idiotic. please look up the FBI national crime stats.

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  138. ok O, now you’re doing the baiting. nothing good is going to come out of that last remark, just more of the same old same old race arguments. the race baiting is annoying from either side.

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  139. BAIT BAIT BAIT BAIT

    say it like hate, u get it!!

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  140. Off topic. From
    this discussion of a map of marriage/divorce rates in the US:

    Is this also an example of how religion is pretty much powerless to affect modern social patterns? I mean, if you go to “immoral” CA, the divorce rate is lower than that of God-fearing Kansas. A similar situation might be seen in, say, Peru – where most people pray to God all the time, yet life appears pretty cheap, and corruption is everywhere.

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  141. Good Lord, did anyone read the NYT article about Valenti and her bitch? It made me feel sick.

    Some choice quotes:

    “Here also was a woman that he found impossible to say “no” to — as he learned that night when she insisted he try the ceviche. “I soldiered on,” said Mr. Golis, who has always detested “fishy fish.””

    “Mr. Golis, now 26, is almost five years younger than Ms. Valenti, and what she called “the age issue” bothered her. She said that when she offered to set him up with her younger sister, “he called me an ageist.””

    Wow. Just…wow.

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  142. on October 22, 2009 at 12:43 pm Cannon's Canon

    tupac:
    “Question for Cannon:

    Who is gayer:

    Wal-e, or Wall-E?”

    funny enough, i am preparing to release a diss track to ho-ass wal-e. i refer to him as “disney robot” a few times and have a punchline about pixar studios recouping his advancement.

    i have chosen the rap name “Cap Anson”, which is a double entendre as per my preference. it refers to my overt white nationalist sympathies and also my affinity for flat-brimmed yankee fitted caps. currently, i am deciding whether to rhyme over a classic beat or buy one for myself from musicplacements.

    to answer your question: they are both fucking gay.

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  143. “Man Up”
    Who said I was ever trying to get your “respect”? You’re so vain.

    Roissy, Joe, Etc.,
    All I’m saying is that of the FBI’s Most Wanted, reported on CNN, a reputable news source, the top ten most wanted criminals in the country aren’t Black. Make of that what you will.

    Anyway…

    The Obsidian

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  144. Obsidian = Master Baiter

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  145. Cannon,
    I’d be very interested in checking your hip hop CD out when its finished, and your “take” on it is interesting in light of your affinities, iow, “white nationalism” and flat-billed baseball caps. Interesting mix of Black and White stuff.

    Keep me posted. Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  146. Tupac,
    Now see, why you wanna go and hate like that? I’m simply stating a fact, is all, and guess what? All the guys on that Most Wanted list weren’t White-about half were Hispanic, most likely Mexican or somewhere south of the border.

    Let’s try to focus on the message instead of the messenger, hmm? Isn’t that the whole point of stuff like HBD?

    The Obsidian

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  147. Joe

    FP:
    How
    do you feel
    about hijacking

    Gannon
    first hijacked
    with the
    black men raping topic
    O just
    responded

    Well, I really wasn’t asking aboutthat crime. But thanks anyways for thinking it was, defending Obsidi and airing your own views on hijacking.

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  148. on October 22, 2009 at 12:53 pm Cannon's Canon

    obsidian, regarding your most wanted list, here is one answer:
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

    “the top ten most wanted criminals in the country aren’t Black.”

    there is a punchline here…

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  149. The Beta Crisis of American Men Marrying. [period]

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  150. the FBI top 10 aren’t black because niggers are so dumb they get CAUGHT.

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  151. The Master Baiter:

    I’m simply stating a fact, is all,

    And that’s what every other race-baiter does. That’s how the game is played. You just happen to do it, er, masterfully.

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  152. Cannon, thanks for the link, I’m familiar w/La Griffe’s work. Interesting that he never actually answers why White Men are so overrepresented among serial killers, though. All he says is that in the next 50 years, we can expect fewer White Male serial killers. I find that kinda weak. Clearly there is something at work within the White Male makeup that drives them to kill in a serial manner that’s not in evidence among other Males of other races. Not a very strong argument for HBD in any event.

    Anyway, just checking back in with CNN here…according to them, the FBI’s had about 464 people on its Top Ten Most Wanted list since the 1950s. Only 8 have been Women. And in each decade, the list changed:

    In the 50s it was focused on robbers

    In the 60s it was focused on “revolutionaries”, like the Weathermen and the Black Panthers

    And in the 70s, it was focused on organized crime and terrorists

    They didn’t give a racial breakdown, which is something I’d be very interested to see. If the HBD argument, that Black folk are more prone to crime accross the board holds any water, then they should be well represened in this top tier group-right?

    Comments?

    The Obsidian

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  153. “PS: Just got finished watching CNN put up the FBI’s Most Wanted criminals: none of them were Black. Only White or Hispanic (read: Mexican) Males. One Russian gangster. Interesting, in case any of the HBDers wanna take that on…”

    This merely tells us that among the white criminal element exists the small group of criminals who are hard/challenging to catch. While blacks make up a very disproportionately large segment of the criminal world (in th US), they aren’t particularly competent at it – merely prolific.

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  154. Please discuss who are the smartest criminals elsewhere and switch from off-topic to on-topic please! 🙂

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  155. Obsidian

    I’m familiar w/La Griffe’s work. Interesting that he never actually answers why White Men are so overrepresented among serial killers, though.

    Le Pouissant, Ferkel & Merkin, et al, in the seminal Get Off My Back: Perspectives In “White Rage” summarized that white men had long reached a ‘tipping point’ of resentment at having been forced to pay taxes that went directly to people who resent them, and get all in their face.

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  156. KM,
    No one, most of all me, is denying that Blacks commit crime-that is quite self-evident. What I’m questioning is the rationale of those who make the case that Black criminals are such a cause for concern to the degree hat many in the HBD crowd claims it is. The Men who appear in the FBI’s Most Wanted list, their top ten, are there because of the sheer heinous nature of their crimes, coupled with the aforementioned ability to evade the authorities. That’s what makes them so dangerous to begin with, yes?

    So, if anything, no one should be all that concerned with Black criminals, because they get caught or killed a lot sooner, serve longer prison sentences when they are caught, and almost invariably victimize other Black folk in any event. Not only that, but very often, Black criminals are locked up for relatively less harmful crimes, mostly linked to the drugs trade. As La Griffe himself has admitted, the vast majority of serial killers, are White Males-and they often appear on the FBI’s Most Wanted list. Near the top.

    So, if you’re into HBD, the question has to be, wassup wit dat?

    If you’re into HBD *and you’re intellectually honest* that is.

    Anyway, I wonder what the racial breakdown of the FBI’s Most Wanted list would be…

    The Obsidian

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  157. Obsidian

    …Black criminals… serve longer prison sentences when they are caught…

    This is just the liberal way of keeping black fathers in close contact with their sons. Kind of like a “big brother’ program for the Pelosi set.

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  158. on October 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm gunslingergregi

    When is hbd put out on this blog other than obsid?

    You keep saying hbd not many others do.

    I think black woman can be salvaged into something.

    The black males gonna have to have them given up for adoption. I cannot remake woman into men. Well I prob could help them but thats too much work.

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  159. PS: Just got finished watching CNN put up the FBI’s Most Wanted criminals: none of them were Black. Only White or Hispanic (read: Mexican) Males. One Russian gangster. Interesting, in case any of the HBDers wanna take that on…

    Duh, the Most Wanted list is typically high profile, high level criminality (mafioso, terrorists, kingpins, etc), not the local carjackers, drug dealers and liquor store holdup thugs. African-Americans tend to be at the base of the crime pyramid, not the apex.

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  160. on October 22, 2009 at 1:44 pm Cannon's Canon

    obs, think of base criminality in terms of base IQ. there are more whites than blacks in the us, so there will be more whites with a criminality that skews well past three standard deviations and into serial killer status. this is just a matter of sample size.

    as whites decrease in population proportion, their representation amongst the outliers of criminality will decrease. this is not contrary to HBD hypothesis, which would have black median propensity for crime further right on the graph. but black population is not rapidly growing in the us – la griffe would suggest that hispanics are poised to join the ranks of the most wanted serial killers.

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  161. on October 22, 2009 at 1:48 pm gunslingergregi

    ALthough if you watch that movie where the dude basically stops giving a fuck about the system after he loses his family to divorce and has restraining order against him. Shoots up some fast food chain because they aren’t serving breakfast anymore. Surprized there is not more of that.

    Guys keep killing judges though and shit gonna come to a head quick there are only so many.

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  162. I married a woman 4 1/2 years older. Huge mistake.

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  163. Beta-ization or taboo reduction?

    I say the latter.

    [editor: right, because you know how that western taboo against soliciting prostitutes has kept men away from hookers. *massive eye roll*]

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  164. on October 22, 2009 at 2:00 pm gunslingergregi

    My first was exactly three years older. Same birthday’s but I was 21 she was 24. Could have worked but I wasn’t looking for a houswife and babies and slaving away my whole life.

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  165. Yea, yea, I hear all that. My point is that Black criminality, though indeed a problem, can’t by definition be all that bad because for the most part its contained mostly to within the Black community one, and two because most Black criminals are either caught or killed. The HBD crowd tries to make the case that Black criminality is what is taking the country down the drain, when according to the FBI and DOJ, violent crime of all kinds has been on the decline since the early 90s. That, plus the fact that few of the FBI’s Most Wanted top ten list have been Black since the 50s, raises some interesting questions for the HBD folk to answer.

    And thus far, aside from “Blacks commit more crime”, I’m not really hearing anything compelling from them.

    So?

    The Obsidian

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  166. All I’m saying is that of the FBI’s Most Wanted, reported on CNN, a reputable news source, the top ten most wanted criminals in the country aren’t Black. Make of that what you will.

    Now I know why guys here like Obsidian are so intransigent and impervious to facts and sound arguments.

    They simply don’t understand fundamental logical and statistical concepts. They don’t know what qualifies as valid and invalid argument.

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  167. Pacific,
    There’s no need for personal insults to make your point.

    If the HBD argument is “Blacks commit more crime”, then by all accounts, Society has pulled out all the stops to address it. The stats don’t lie: more prisons built over the past three decades, longer prison sentences, and increased police presence in major urban areas. This, along with the fact that violent crime has gone down accross the board.

    So again, if the HBDers want to make the point that Blacks commit more crime, my response is “so what?” because its a problem that has been and is being addressed, all the time. By all accounts, very well in fact.

    What the HBD crowd has failed to do, is explain why so many serial killers are White Males. Like La Griffe, they either fall silent on the question, change the subject or pretend like whatever else they were doing was more important.

    No carjacker or cornerboy rises to the same level as the guys on that Most Wanted list. And again, none of the latter were Black.

    Where’s the HBDers on this?

    The Obsidian

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  168. Re: ESPN and the “tubby temtpress”

    Per her letter to the Wife, the Husband was in a loveless marriage….ie, no sex, never

    So, this dude lost it….once in 1998 for Mets sex-harass suit, and now 10 yrs later

    No sex makes men lose all sense….and 10+% of the population is like this…his house was signed over to wife at $4 million too

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  169. “That, plus the fact that few of the FBI’s Most Wanted top ten list have been Black since the 50s, raises some interesting questions for the HBD folk to answer.”

    Different groups/peoples and types produce different amounts and kinds of violence.

    For example, highly intelligent, organized, and disciplined groups/peoples can produce quite savagely brutal, systematic, and efficient violence (i.e. Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, etc.).

    Other groups with different endowments and tendencies will produce violence of a different nature and type: chaotic, mindless, unorganized, impulsive, high time preference, etc.

    As for the top 10 list, those in it are by definition the most “successful” criminals based on the type and degree of severity of their crimes and their avoidance of capture. They’re likely to be more intelligent, and quite pathological, than your garden variety impulsive criminal.

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  170. Cicada,
    Yes, but how does that then explain the fact that of the current Top Ten, at least half are Mexicans?

    Your response?

    And, you still have not accounted for why so many White Men are serial killers. Please explain?

    Whatever problem Black criminality has created for society in general, by all accounts its only a serious problem fo other Blacks. Whites in fact have little to fear from it, and again, more prisons have been built, sentences longer, and violent crime has gone down in recent years.

    Awaiting your response.

    The Obsidian

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  171. And, you still have not accounted for why so many White Men are serial killers.

    If I recall correctly, “The Colro of Crime” reported that even in crimes associated with white people, like serial killing and embezzlement, blacks were overrepresented.

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  172. There’s no need for personal insults to make your point.

    There were no insults in my original comment.

    I made perfectly valid points.

    If you’re honestly countering HBD claims regarding averages with the FBI’s Most Wanted list, then it’s evident that you either don’t understand basic concepts or are being willfully deceptive.

    What the HBD crowd has failed to do, is explain why so many serial killers are White Males.

    HBDers have talked about this.

    Sailer has mentioned it many times before.

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  173. why so many White Men are serial killers.

    we both know why. excess of IQ and lack of pussy

    Obsidian´s pleasure with white men sexual failures´ is only matched by my own pleasure in commenting the ugliness of black women

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  174. PA,
    Yes, I’m familiar with the Color of Crime report. La Griffe’s study cites well over 400 cases of serial killers, of which about 90 are Black, or about 22%, which is nearly twice as many in terms of the Black population in America, so yes, what you said is accurate. Still, it doesn’t explain why White Males, more than anyone else, are more likely to be serial killers. Pacifica claims that Sailer has covered this “several times” before; I’ll run a quick Google and see what comes up.

    Pacifica, my interest is in exploring ALL avenues of HBD, not just those which aid an individual’s personal agenda. The way HBD is being popularized is decidedly pro-White/anti-Black/Brown and I find that problematic for a whole host of reasons. Chuck Ross has recently blogged about this specifically, and Ferdinand Bardamu has hinted at his displeasure of HBD being used in this way.

    Gig, don’t you have a plane to catch?

    The Obsidian

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  175. Obsidian – are white guys overrepresetned among serial killers or just a reflection of the size of the white population? (I don’t know either way, honest question)

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  176. “I never thought I would utter the following words : I am glad that I DON’T have to sleep with the woman Pierce Brosnan has to sleep next to.”

    You call this a 9? http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/specials/sma01/pbrosnan/wedding.jpg

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  177. Gig, don’t you have a plane to catch?

    always.

    between 2 and 6 every week.

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  178. Wait… if 90/400 serial killers are black (22%), then at most, whites will constitute 78% of serial killers. (That’s NOT including Hispanics, Amerindians, or Asians, who surely figure in there as well.)

    So at 22% to their 13% of population, blacks have almost double the serial killers they should. And whites, at most, just a littl emore than their overall numbers should produce.

    So unless my statistics are off, shouldn’t you be asking “Still, it doesn’t explain why BLACK Males, more than anyone else, are more likely to be serial killers.” ?

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  179. Obsidian

    You have a smart phone. Go to reuters or bloomberg. In 90 minutes, search for news about Argentina.

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  180. Mr. and Mrs. Valenti are so icky, they had to blur the photos.

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  181. The way HBD is being popularized is decidedly pro-White/anti-Black/Brown and I find that problematic for a whole host of reasons.

    Almost anything can be used to be pro or anti something.

    You’re critical of HBD because you’re dissatisfied with some of the results and facts they’ve turned up.

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  182. No wonder the photo is blurry. He reeks of OMEGA:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/1244643322

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  183. So unless my statistics are off, shouldn’t you be asking “Still, it doesn’t explain why BLACK Males, more than anyone else, are more likely to be serial killers.” ?

    ob thinks facts are racist.

    cannon posted a link to la griffe above which explains the serial killer stereotype. in short, blacks ARE overrepresented among serial killers by about 2x, but they *should* be overrepresented even more, since blacks commit other ultravolent crimes like murder at 7-8x the rate of whites.

    so why isn’t that the case? it has to do with the extremes. the white bell curve for criminality is wider (i.e. more variance), while the black and hispanic criminality curve is narrower (and shifted well to the right of the white mean), meaning that while hispanics and blacks commit violent crime at a higher rate than whites, there are RELATIVELY disproportionately more whites at the tails of the bell curve engaged in truly bizarrre and crazy violent behavior such as serial killing and locking up small children in basement dungeons for 20 years to rape at leisure.

    btw, the last sentence of that lagriffe article:

    “In the 45 years spanning 2005 to 2050, Census Bureau demographers estimate that the number of males 18 years and older will increase by these percentages: whites 8%, blacks 76%, and Hispanics 162%. We look forward to the decrease in per capita serial murder.”

    was truly a delicious example of subtle snark.

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  184. on October 22, 2009 at 3:51 pm Cannon's Canon

    that was me, but thanks

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  185. Roissy:

    The “cougar” phenomenon is largely the product of the mainstream media’s desire to spot a trend and work itself into a froth about it. The fact is that there has been virtually no rise in older-woman/younger-man marriages. The graphs you provide show that, among marriages with a 10-year age difference, the rate has been the same for the past half-century. For marriages with a 5-year difference, there has been an uptick from about 4% to 5%. Woo-hoo!!! How is this evidence of the dramatic beta-ization of American men?

    Now, as far as older-woman/younger-man fornication (not marriage) goes, that’s a different story. Just speaking from personal anecdotal evidence and hunches, these pairings are more common than ever because of (1) the increase in divorce rates and the resultant increase in older, single women; and (2) increasing awareness and wherewithal as to maintaining a youthful physical appearance. Of course, you can’t discount the sexual revolution of the 60s and the relaxing of sexual restrictions, but that applies across-the-board.

    Personally, I think that cougar-cub couplings are just two people in a relationship of convenience. They’re both in it for the sex. The cougar knows that the cub has no long-term interest in her. The cub knows that she knows this. Consequently, as I think you will notice, typically the cub is a hot young thing, who is happy to fuck the cougar because, unlike with girls in his age group, there are no long-term expectations on her part. For the cougar, she gets to have sex and attention from a hot young guy that she probably couldn’t have attracted in her younger days. It’s win-win for both parties, in this respect.

    [editor: except that women are more interested in commitment, emotional connection, love, and securing alpha male resources than in casual sex. so, no, it’s not a win-win. it’s more like a division 2 win for the young dude (no strings attached sex with a consolation prize past-peak woman) and a depressing stint in the minors for the cougar.]

    Look, I know that you exaggerate and engage in hyperbole to attract attention and to entertain. But c’mon. To go on an extended commentary comparing women with used cars? A lot of your writing seems to be extended and provocative, albeit humorous, meditations on one theme: It sucks getting old. For both men and women. Nothing earth-shaking about that.

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  186. Roissy:

    Thanks for your comment. I meant that it was “win-win” in the context of the universal truisim that it sucks growing old. Yes, women are more interested in commitment, emotional connection, etc. But it’s a (Division 2 — love that!) win-win for both parties. The young dude gets no strings attached sex with a past-her-prime cougar — but then again, what in-her-prime, young beauty gives out nsa sex to anyone? The cougar gets sex with a hot young stud — but what hot young stud gives out sex to a female of middling status (read: old) unless there’s no strings attached?

    [editor: the two types of sex are not equivalent, which is why the win-win doesn’t hold. for the young dude, sex with a pretty young thang is a lot hotter than sex with a cougar. for the cougar, sex with a hot young stud is not nearly as satisfying as sex with a PYT is for the young stud. iow, there’s a much bigger psychic pleasure payoff for the young stud (or any man, really) to bang the young hottie, than there is a psychic pleasure payoff for the cougar to bang a young stud. this is simply because sex is not as important for a woman’s feelings of well-being as it is for a man’s.

    XOXO

    X…… wait for it…..

    O]

    If I had a sig, it would be a line from Lily Tomlin: “I try to be cynical, but it’s hard to keep up.”

    XOXO

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  187. Natasha F – isn’t this blog all about how to get NSA sex from in-their-prime young beauties? Apparently it does happen — a lot.

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  188. Well, I think we can all agree that the occupier of the #1 spot on the sexual food chain is the male PYT, who, incidentally, has the best chances of becoming a full-fledged alpha, like it or not.

    [editor: whose “we”? the pipedreaming cougars? no, the occupier of the #1 spot on the sexual food chain is the most powerful alpha male, followed by the 9s and 10s alpha females, then the beta females, then beta males, omega females, and finally rounding out the undredged bottom, the omega males. male power is the trait that most attracts women, and looks are only a subset of male power. this is why an ugly old shit like salman rushdie can bang a young hottie while good looking young guys with low status struggle to get the bang with even chicks of middling looks.]

    But as regards cubs having sex with cougars —

    [calling young men “cubs” is really fucking gay.]

    the dynamics are still the same as with any random guy seeking sex with any random girl, and that includes the use of game to increase the quality of girl available to him.

    [the only game women have at their disposal is 99% looks and 1% sexual availability. the cougar whose looks have long ago left her has no game other than willingness to spread quickly and easily for a man. because men are more indiscriminate than women about who, what, when, and where they fuck, many of them (especially the hard-up ones) will be happy to dump a NSA pump into a no muss no fuss cougar who’s making it easy for him. but men with options (i.e. alpha males) will hardly give the cougars a second look because they’ll be busy hitting on the young women who most excite them.]

    Let’s say that, in the instance of cougars, a wannabe-cub should subtract 10 -15 years off a cougar’s age when determining his chances of nsa sex with her. Meaning that a breathtaking cougar of 40 is the equivalent of a merely cute 25-year-old to a typical cub (in his 20s).

    [“breathtaking cougar”? you’ve gotta be shittin me. mangy cougar is a more accurate description for the great majority of them. anyhow, your logic is way off, and likely the product of years of practiced self-delusion. a 25 year old woman is going to look hotter to men of all ages than a 40 year old has-been.]

    The typical cub should gauge his chances with the breathtaking 40-year-old (who was the alpha of female alphas in her prime) as if she were a merely cute 25-year-old.

    [ok, now you’re trolling.]

    And again — it sucks growing old. If none of us grew old, there would be no use for game.

    [there is no game for older women, except a greased skid to her bedraggled labia. and game for men is useful at every stage of his life.]

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  189. No, Roissy doesn’t know what I think. I never said any such thing, and indeed, I have agreed many times on the very real problems of Black crime in America. The problem that arises btw myself and those who consider themselves more hardcore HBD types is, what does it mean, what is bein done about it, and ultimately, so what?

    I say that because as I’ve noted earlier, there have indeed been major steps taken to reduce crime wrt Black folk. Again: more prisons being built, longer sentencing, and increased police presence. And it’s all worked-again, violent crime of all kinds has been on the decline since the early 90s. Beyond that, I really don’t know what else the HBDers want done, because everything that can be done is bein done.

    Anyway, while I accept what Roissy/La Griffe is saying, it still doesn’t explain what it is about White Males that makes them tend to be serial killers and Josef Fretzl at a higer rate than other groups. La Griffe simply punts by engaging in pithy snark, as Roissy pointed out. Seems there’s not much HBD interest there.

    Hmm.

    The Obsidian

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  190. gig said (3:14 PM):

    “Pope Paul VII said so in an enciclical in the late 50s. Since Mary was younger than Joseph when they married, it was a rule of thumb in Catholic Countries that the wife should be younger than the husband. Pope Paul VII formalyzed that.”

    Um, there hasn’t yet been a Pope Paul VII. There WAS a Pope Paul VI, but he didn’t accede to that position until 1963 upon the death of John XXIII.

    I agree with the concept, but you should get your facts straight.

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  191. Roissy:

    I’m not sure now what your point is. That it sucks to be an old, single woman? That an alpha male will always have his pick of women, up until the point that he is so old that a young female hottie would rather take her chances with an unproven but still-young male hottie who has the potential to be an old(er) alpha?

    Surely you agree that a woman of any age has a better chance of getting sex, even if it’s low-quality sex with a low-quality partner (and for women, that means nsa sex, likely with a sub-optimal partner), than a man of same age? Alas, said nsa sex is likely to be less rewarding for a woman than it is for a man; some women prefer no sex at all. And for the average man who is past his prime, there is, in comparison, virtually no chance of sex at all. These men would prefer sex with any low-quality gutter trash, over no sex at all. So it’s kind of a wash-out among your mass of old women and old men alike. Such is life. I have no problem accepting that truth. Like I said, if none of us grew old, there would be no need for game. Relatedly, there would be no desire for marriage. To the extent that women want marriage more than men, it’s because they hit the “old” mark sooner than men. That doesn’t mean men don’t hit that “old” mark themselves, and then find themselves scrambling to find a companion that will give them sex and cuddling and wipe their butts when they’re incapacitated in their old age. Of course, they want a companion that will be the best, the most attractive they can possibly find at that point. Which will most likely not be a hottie in her 20s.

    In short, it also sucks to be an old, single man.

    And sure, all else being equal, a 25-year-old is hotter and more rewarding, banging-wise than a 40-year-old. But all else is rarely equal. A young beta could be well-served by going with a sexually-available 40-year-old, if the alternative is no sex at all. A guy who is turning down nsa sex from a cougar is likely an alpha who has young hotties throwing their sex at him as it is. (BTW, I use the term “cub” as one of convenience, to designate a young man who wants a liason with an older woman, for whatever reasons. It goes without saying that any young man would accept sex with a woman of any age, so long as she’s healthy. Most 40 year old women are hardly at death’s door these days.)

    XOXO

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  192. N.B.: A woman doesn’t need or even use “game,” as you define it, at any age. They need and use ways to maintain their beauty/youthful looks. Perhaps you could call this the female version of game. Fortunately (?) for women, and in contrast to the male version of game, this kind of game continuously is being made more accessible and attainable to increasing numbers of women through medical technology. Just saying.

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  193. Beta-ization or taboo reduction?

    I say the latter.

    [editor: right, because you know how that western taboo against soliciting prostitutes has kept men away from hookers. *massive eye roll*]

    whut

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  194. Natasha

    Modern Medical Technology to help cougars? That is ridiculous. There is nothing high-tech about duct tape and cable-ties.

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  195. I agree with the concept, but you should get your facts straight

    HA !!!!

    I am sort of a moral counscience in this blog. If you read again b oth Roissy’s post and what the dude asked, you will see that he got exactly the answer he deserved

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  196. An overlooked problem with marrying an older woman is this:

    Women may live longer, but they wear out faster. It’s all hormones.

    Fact is, a woman in her 50’s is pretty much used up, on average, not just in the reproductive sphere. A man in his 50’s is still very much in the prime of life. A 50 yo man likely has 15 years of vigorous health ahead of him, if he is healthy, not obese, and doesn’t smoke.

    So, men, don’t marry a woman older than you are. You will be unpleasantly surprised how badly most women age. The ones who take “care of themselves” are mostly just doing cosmetic things.

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  197. . . . and I am the official fact-checker.

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  198. Obsidian–

    Yes, I’m familiar with the Color of Crime report. La Griffe’s study cites well over 400 cases of serial killers, of which about 90 are Black, or about 22%, which is nearly twice as many in terms of the Black population in America, so yes, what you said is accurate. Still, it doesn’t explain why White Males, more than anyone else, are more likely to be serial killers.

    Frankly Obsidian that’s just dim. As in … dim.

    You’re articulate but…

    Blacks serial kill 2x as often per capita than whites do. White men constitute 7x as much of the US population as black do. Ergo there are 3.5x as many white as black serial killers over any period of time, on average. QED.

    Understand now?

    The interesting thing is that blacks commit “only” 2x as much serial murder per capita as whites since in most other violent crime they commit 7-8x as much (depending on the crime and the year).

    Now I’ll grant you it takes a fair bit of IQ to understand some of La Griffe’s articles. In some he does a summary that’s pretty easy if you’ll trust how he get’s there. In others he doesn’t do a real easy summary.

    Anyway in his serial crime website posting one of the things he’s interested in is exploring variability. Like you know, how women’s IQ is a considerable amount less variable than men’s. Actually so to is US black IQ compared to white but that’s not in the web article we’re talking about now.

    He shows that’s white’s criminality variability is considerably greater than that of blacks. So even though whites have much lower mean violent crime rates, because serial killing is such an out there, at the far far right of the criminality bell curve, white greater variability closes the gap in starting point means of violent criminality means so to speak. It doesn’t catch up. But it does get close enough so that black men are serial killers “only” 2x as often per capita as white men are.

    Hope that helps.

    Oh, here’s the La Griffe article:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

    Here’s a key relevant passage:

    So, why are most serial killers white men? The short answer is that serial murder is primarily a male enterprise, and in the U.S. white men outnumber black men seven to one. The long answer, however, is instructive**.

    The ratio of black to white criminal offenders generally increases with the progression from passive white collar crime to pernicious violent crime. In 2003, for example, blacks were imprisoned for violent crimes at approximately 7 times the per capita rate of whites, but only 4 times the white rate for property crimes. Serial murder, by any reckoning, ranks at the top of this progression. Consequently, black serial murderers should, per capita, outnumber their white counterparts by at least a factor of seven. In actuality, the factor is closer to two. The appropriate question, then, is not why most serial killers are white men, but rather why black men are only twice as likely as white men to be serial murderers. Criminality distributions provide the answer. The mean criminality of black males is almost 1.3 SD greater than the white. But, with a black-to-white variance ratio of 0.46, white men display much greater variability. A symmetric way to view this is in terms of black homogeneity rather than white variability. Either way, at the extraordinarily high level of criminality peculiar to the serial murderer, white representation increases. We explore this in more detail in the next section.

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  199. One thing that alters the dynamic of sexual relations as you age is that male vs. female “demand” for sex suddenly goes through a “flip.” Men begin to go through andropause during their thirties wheras women finally hit their hormone raging “sexual peak” at the same time. A 35 year old man has about the sex drive of an 18 year old woman, but the 35 year old woman has a sex drive of an 18 year old man.

    Many older men refer to this as the “sexual fog lifting.” It suddenly becomes much, much, MUCH easier to turn down sex. Things become clearer to men… including women’s sexual manipulations. It becomes far more neccessary for women to stimulate a man mentally (in a sexual context), rather than purely physically, as most women are used to doing. Kinda like how it was for the man when he was 18, horny as hell, and the women he was interested in would blue-ball him to death forever and a day.

    Revenge is a dish best served cold, heh, heh. God/Nature does not completely hate men, cause he gives them the last laugh. Mwuh hah hah!

    Also, there is a lot of truth to this old joke:

    A young bull and an old bull are standing on a hill, looking over a herd of cows.

    The young bull says to the old bull, “Hey, let’s run down there and fuck us a cow!”

    The old bull replies, “Why don’t we walk down there and fuck them all?”

    Keep that in mind, you one-itis blokes.

    I find it amazing, as I age, how many women who I had a major hardon for once, but never made any headway with, will appear later in life and willingly spread ’em for you.

    I’ve got my mental list of hotties I’ve always wanted to see on the business end of my johnson, and amazingly, as life goes on, more and more of those on that list wind up “speaking into the microphone.” Ah yes… look into my eyes while you’re down there, sweetheart.

    Also, as you age, you have “already heard it all.”

    I am just AMAZED at the lack of originality in women. I had a girlfriend when I was in my 20’s who admitted to me once that she went nude hottubbing with a group of friends (just before we split). She insisted there was NOTHING sexual about it, but it was all about “being naked in the water.” Uh huh. Turns out, of course, she fucked one of the guys in the tub after that…

    When I was in my 30’s, I had another girlfriend, and she admitted to me that while out with some friends, they ended up going skinnydipping at the river… she insisted there was NOTHING sexual about it, but it was all about “being naked in the water.” I dumped her ass on the spot… found out a while later that she fucked one of the guys there later on that night. Sorry toots, I’m not as dumb as I used to be.

    I will let a girlfriend turn me down for sex about once without being overly suspicious (in situations where I am being reasonable in expecting affection). If she does it to me twice in a relatively short amount of time, I realize she is being passive aggressive towards me, and I now know that my monkey has found another branch to grab hold of… I don’t get all snotty about it, but rather, I start making a mental list of the things I own that are at her apartment… gotta get the VCR, my leather jacket etc. back to my place within the next week or so without making her suspicious… haven’t been wrong yet. And, btw, as one ages, one also begins to realize that ALL relationships with women are “time limited.” LTR Game merely extends the “time”, and makes “the sweet spot” that is worthwhile, more worthwhile.

    Don’t let women con you into thinking getting older as a man is as bad for men as it is for women. They are just green with envy, that’s all.

    Quite honestly, I like 40’ish a lot more than 20’ish. You come into “your own” at this age. This age is YOUR REWARD for all the crap you had to put up with as a younger man. And, since you are a man, you understand what it was like to be a low status schmuck on the bottom of the totem pole… you appreciate the view a lot more when you get to the top of the hill… women don’t appreciate things much at all, since they start at the time, and only decline.

    Women are like cheap, sparkly wine. It takes only a short while to mature, and its value is not very deep. It gets served chilled in a box sitting in your fridge, out of a rubber hose with a clamp.

    Men are like a Single Malt Scotch. It takes years to mature in an oak cask… and one is able to savour it just for the sake of savouring it… it has a mysterious value of its own that is hard to describe until you are sitting back in your chair with a glass of it.

    Something that takes longer to mature is always of higher value.

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  200. When I got married, I had a car like that. Well, it was a few years older, and it was a right hand drive because it was in Japan.

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  201. Fedrz – great post about aging into ones forties. I agree, life just keeps getting better.

    It’s also delicious when the young and handsome bucks get passed over for the more experienced man. They just have no clue why. Can’t get it – even if you try to explain.

    Another thing that happens to some of us as we age is more mental stability, ease, and sense of overall comfort. The days of wild ups and downs are past – things get smoothed out.

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  202. I knew Jessica Valenti in high school (Stuyvesant in NYC) she was a total slut, her sister too (she was an anal freak).

    Did her sister have a massive man jaw as well?

    With a jaw like that, she better be an anal freak.

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  203. on October 26, 2009 at 8:58 am msexceptiontotherule

    and I
    was just
    musing
    about how many
    men
    were still
    around
    and meet my desired male demographics
    and are not
    already taken
    or dead.

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  204. on October 26, 2009 at 9:02 am msexceptiontotherule

    “msexceptiontotherule has also just breathed a sigh of relief after obtaining the knowledge that she has a long while to go (all things considered when time is relative) before there is a year left til her expiration date.”

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  205. on October 26, 2009 at 9:41 am gunslingergregi

    Glad I could help.

    Mout tm

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  206. on October 26, 2009 at 11:50 am msexceptiontotherule

    dear gunz, why have you stopped writing so prolifically in your comments directed my way. should I move my stalking operation closer and add things that will moderately scare you? or should I be pursuing an entirely different series of actions altogether…? what’s a girl to do.

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  207. on October 26, 2009 at 11:51 am gunslingergregi

    lol

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  208. on October 26, 2009 at 11:53 am msexceptiontotherule

    ahh, the cruelty. or is it playing hard to get?

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  209. on October 26, 2009 at 11:54 am msexceptiontotherule

    so many ways to interpret, all of them incorrectly of course.

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  210. on October 26, 2009 at 12:10 pm gunslingergregi

    It was the one tear that fell out of its own accord msexceptiontotherule.

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  211. on October 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm msexceptiontotherule

    gunz; my god, what a horrible thing to say. I’ll do my best to act shocked and utterly horrified by that in 5.4.3.2.1…

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  212. on October 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Sorry, I fainted instead.

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  213. on October 26, 2009 at 1:05 pm gunslingergregi

    And look you won one he he he

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  214. on October 26, 2009 at 1:48 pm gunslingergregi

    I don’t really like the planned moderate “cruelty” in the form of planned subconcsious concsious expressions to induce jealousy. Only makes one wonder at the future investment in such a situation.

    Fuck did I just write that

    Ok I guess I am an asshole.

    There needs to be a double standard though dammit.

    To be able to pull off need to have serious future time orientation though and some dedication to the thought of unconditional love which most don’t posses.

    quit trying to make me learn shit.

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  215. Are Gunslinger and Msexception fuckin retarded?

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  216. on October 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm gunslingergregi

    Practicing my game here asshole move along.

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  217. on October 27, 2009 at 1:15 am msexceptiontotherule

    I think whatever you’re doing is working gunz. But you of course have to remember it’s me, the one who hasn’t had any practical real world experience with people except for my husband-now-departed, online, one random time out with people that I will never go out with again, and family. This probably means I’d play along so you wouldn’t start having twinges of self-doubt because I still forget that I’m not supposed to be nice if I don’t want to die some horrible social death in the first attempt I make in real terms at being someplace where there are many other people to interact with. =)

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  218. on October 27, 2009 at 4:12 pm I Told Ya So!

    Hey, I was tellin’ you guys this months ago and you didn’t believe me.

    Most of my female friends are dating younger men – by 5 to 12 years younger. One is even MARRIED to a dude 16 years her junior.

    She’s the one having second thoughts, not him. He’s totally smitten. And he’s a very good looking hottie to boot!

    Don’t know exactly why but alot of really cute guys are going for older women.

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  219. I am 28 years old and a reasonably good looking guy although I am not financially stable due to one bad turn after the other, but that will come in due time.

    I’ve not even really had many relationships and I have never even had sex yet.

    It’s not that I do not want what most guys my age want it’s just that I could care less about making even the slightest effort to capture a woman’s limited attention span.

    I’ve noticed that it always boils down to the whims of the ladies and what they are after and quite honestly who really wants to have themselves be subjected to that kind of shit.

    American dating and sex trends are pretty rough but for you so called betas out there just keep it in your pants and you will come out ahead disease free, financially, and mentally stable.

    The odds of finding a dedicated, kind, thoughtful partner are slim to nil these days so count yourself lucky if you do at any age.

    Good luck you horny bastards and make sure you wear a monkey suit on your ass-tastic crusades.

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  220. on November 3, 2009 at 4:59 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””on October 27, 2009 at 1:15 am msexceptiontotherule
    I think whatever you’re doing is working gunz. But you of course have to remember it’s me, the one who hasn’t had any practical real world experience with people except for my husband-now-departed, online, one random time out with people that I will never go out with again, and family. This probably means I’d play along so you wouldn’t start having twinges of self-doubt because I still forget that I’m not supposed to be nice if I don’t want to die some horrible social death in the first attempt I make in real terms at being someplace where there are many other people to interact with. =)
    ”””””””””’
    lol thank q tip.

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  221. on November 3, 2009 at 5:05 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Gunz:

    Hahaha, ok, so now I really am thinking it might have been better to have off’ed myself after becoming a widow. I’m terrified that the future is really that dismal; maybe it’s just better to submit an application after all.

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  222. on November 3, 2009 at 5:40 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Waitwaitwait…I have a headache, maybe I’ll luck out and it’ll be an aneurism. A second choice is brain tumor.

    Dammit. I’m not dead yet.
    I think it’s because I need to try harder.

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  223. No-one has mentioned the fact that women in their mid twenties marry guys to be dads of their kids, then don’t want to have sex with them anymore after the kids arrive. You must all be single men without families. Look at some posts on the ‘I want to cheat’ type forums. Once you’ve had your kids and you’re sick of being turned down by your twenty something partner – a woman who knows how to have a laugh, enjoy sex, listen to you, takes care of her body and earns her own money has quite an appeal

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  224. Why then, I wonder, is it, that I attract better men as I get older?
    What I find (being dead honest here as a women who’s 40) is that I’m less likely to find myself in horrible situations where I’m at the mercy of a few older guys in a work situation. Work is better because I’m more savvy.
    Sex-wise, I find it as difficult as ever in some ways – you want wild dirty sex, but it leaves you feeling bad. I used to be more up for a wild fling in my late twenties, I don’t do it now because I realised how it left me feeling – used etc.

    I find that more attractive men are attracted to me now – of various ages too. Very often younger men who I realise are wanting to get experience and see me as easier etc, but also older alpha males, like Directors at work. I think the difference is sex really – men wanted me for sex in my early 20s, they wanted me more for relationships in my 30s and now it seems the sex thing is back. The difference is the quality of the men that are attracted. Men who didn’t look at me in my 20s want me now. For example this very cute, talented and successful guy I knew in my twenties is now after me.
    What i find weird now is this thing were men seem to view me as a femme fatale – you know the thing – dangerous women who’s out to use you sexually for her own ends. I find that strange, but maybe men equate wisdom with Eve and the apple or something.
    Anyhow – I think there are no rules. I just try to be a decent person and not too jaded or cynical.
    These posts are sad in a way – life is so precious and there is beauty in everything. That’s not about older women, it’s just a call to look around you and live more deeply while you have the chance.
    I think in all honesty, despite all my experience, there was only one sexual encounter that lived up to my fantasies – you need intimacy, love, and lust and adventure all together. Sounds like a lot of you guys will miss out if you’re so superficial. Doesn’t it just get to feel like it might just as well be the same woman if you’re not really engaging with what’s between you both in a deeper sense

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  225. […] I noticed Molly at the central bus station.  The first thing I noticed was her great ass.  This was the first time I saw her there, and I hoped she would be riding my bus.  Lucky for me, she was.  She was about 5’7″, slim hourglass figure, brown hair, green-brown eyes.  She looked around 20, but was actually 28. […]

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  226. “they are living it up in their late teens and 20s with the alphas and settling down in their 30s and 40s with younger, desperate, easily controlled betas who serve as sub-par alpha substitutes when the alphas no longer desire them. ”

    Not a problem, unless you’re a beta.

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  227. Interesting topic and really enjoy reading the comments above 😀

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