Decivilizing: Human Nature Unleashed

Chateau Maxim #3: In the state of nature, men are expendable.

I want you to keep in mind the above law as you read my brief take on F. Roger Devlin’s outstanding (and MSM blacked out) essays on gender dynamics and the sexual revolution. The truth of that law is the explanation for everything you see around you today.

I found the link to Devlin through 2Blowhards with interesting followup commentary. You can read the essays here. Scroll over the icons, hit the down arrow, and click download for easiest access. This is a must read for anyone who wants to know why things seem to have gone off the rails. Devlin’s essays are long but I urge you to read them through, including his evisceration of Wendy Shalit, representative of those obtuse anti-porn crusading social conservatives and myopic “fourth wave feminists” who preach from a pulpit of willful ignorance, habitually missing the forest for the trees:

[…]the notion that all our problems come from women’s making sex available outside marriage—and, consequently, that a “holding out for the wedding” strategy will make everything right again—deserves a close, critical look. Wendy Shalit’s writings provide a useful occasion for doing this. Her proposals have considerable limitations, in fact, most of which flow from a single source: feminine narcissism and its concomitant unconcern for the masculine point of view.

Devlin’s essay Sexual Utopia in Power contains this nugget of truth:

It is sometimes said that men are polygamous and women monogamous. Such a belief is often implicit in the writings of male conservatives: Women only want good husbands, but heartless men use and abandon them. Some evidence does appear, prima facie, to support such a view. One 1994 survey found that “while men projected they would ideally like six sex partners over the next year, and eight over the next two years, women responded that their ideal would be to have only one partner over the next year. And over two years? The answer, for women, was still one.” Is this not evidence that women are naturally monogamous?

No it is not. Women know their own sexual urges are unruly, but traditionally have had enough sense to keep quiet about it. A husband’s belief that his wife is naturally monogamous makes for his own peace of mind. It is not to a wife’s advantage, either, that her husband understand her too well: Knowledge is power. In short, we have here a kind of Platonic “noble lie”—a belief which is salutary, although false.

It would be more accurate to say that the female sexual instinct is hypergamous. Men may have a tendency to seek sexual variety, but women have simple tastes in the manner of Oscar Wilde: They are always satisfied with the best. […]

Hypergamy is not monogamy in the human sense. Although there may be only one “alpha male” at the top of the pack at any given time, which one it is changes over time. In human terms, this means the female is fickle, infatuated with no more than one man at any given time, but not naturally loyal to a husband over the course of a lifetime.

And here Devlin gets to the heart of the matter:

The sexual revolution in America was an attempt by women to realize their own {hypergamous} utopia, not that of men.

The irony is that in the course of dismantling millennia of biologically-grounded cultural tradition and enacting their hypergamous sexual utopia, women have unwittingly made life more difficult for all but the most attractive of them. The result has been more cougars, more sluts, and more demand for DNA paternity testing. To prevent this edifice from crumbling under its own weight entirely, massive redistributive payments from men to women in the form of welfare, alimony, punitive child support (even from men who aren’t the biological fathers!), female- and child-friendly workplaces, legal injustice (women in general do not give a shit about justice), corporate-sponsored daycare, PC extortion, sexual harassment claims, and divorce theft have had to be ruthlessly administered and enforced by the thugs of the rapidly metastasizing elite-created police state. Remove these security and resource transfers and safety nets and you will see the feminist utopia crumble within one generation.

Many will suffer in the fallout. Their suffering will be necessary. The only alternative is a gradual decivilizing of the West until the hellhounds of human nature have broken their chains and the blood-dimmed tide is loosed.

My one beef with Devlin’s essays is that he overlooks the emergence of game as a social phenomenon in reaction to the negative trends he correctly outlines. Game was birthed in the twin crucibles of the feminist-inspired sexual revolution and the teachings of evolutionary psychology. As women have become more hypergamous, betas, feeling the pinch, have become more dedicated to learning the crimson arts. Some alphas looking for even more edge in the dating market have also taken up the cause, with a bounty of no-strings-attached pussy the result. Women call this manipulation, but in fact it is just the same old reproductive arms race, this time with laser-guided cock bombs.

Devlin continues to make the following astute observations in Sexual Utopia:

A characteristic feature of decadent societies is the recrudescence of primitive, precivilized cultural forms. That is what is happening to us. Sexual liberation really means the Darwinian mating pattern of the baboon pack reappears among humans. […]

If women want to mate simply as their natural drives impel them, they must, rationally speaking, be willing to share their mate with others.

But, of course, women’s attitude about this situation is not especially rational. They expect their alpha man to “commit.” Woman’s complaining about men’s failure to commit, one suspects, means merely that they are unable to get a highly attractive man to commit to them; rather as if an ordinary man were to propose to Helen of Troy and complain of her refusal by saying “women don’t want to get married.”

Furthermore, many women are sexually attracted to promiscuous men because, not in spite, of their promiscuity. This can be explained with reference to the primate pack. The “alpha male” can be identified by his mating with many females. This is probably where the sluts-and-studs double standard argument came from—not from any social approval of male promiscuity, but from female fascination with it. Male “immorality” (in traditional language) can be attractive to females. Thus, once polygamous mating begins, it tends to be self-reinforcing.

There’s a reason why beta males have stopped holding open doors for women. Chivalry requires gratitude.

In Devlin’s parallel essay Rotating Polyandry, he quotes a female author from her book explaining how differently men and women view sex and love:

Most men I have talked to call it infatuation, but most of the women I have talked to call it being in love… Women in particular may believe that, if they find the right person, intense feelings can last. They’ve been taught to believe that they should only want sex with someone they love. So when a woman desires a man, she thinks she is in love, and when the desire fades she thinks she is out of love.

This leads to further quotes by Devlin describing the natural forces of female caprice that make marital dissolution practically a foregone conclusion in the absence of either social shaming and stigmatism or the supervision of a very alpha dominant husband:

They often form relationships with men who are emotionally inaccessible. Instead of choosing men who are interested in developing a relationship, these women choose men who make them feel insecure. Insecurity can create motivation and excitement. Women who seek excitement in their marriages (and many do) will often forego the possibility of real relationships for the excitement of fantasy relationships…. It’s not uncommon for women to pine for men who shy away from commitment, while they shun the attention given to them by men who are willing and ready to make a commitment. […]

When a woman wants to get married, she will usually overlook a lot, and at times allow herself to be treated pretty badly. After she gets married, not only is the excitement of pursuit over, after a few years of marriage the attraction buzz has dissipated too. At that point, many women may find that marriage hasn’t even come close to meeting their expectations. Some women feel stupid for having wanted it so badly in the first place.

And then Devlin reaches the logical conclusion — frequently written here by me — that marriage is not necessary for a loving, sexual, commited relationship, and is often antithetical to it:

Men being pressured for “commitment” sometimes attempt to point this out: “Why is it such a big deal? What is going to be different after we’re married?” The men are right, of course: a wedding ceremony has no magical power to produce lifelong happiness. Unfortunately, this seems to be something women only learn from experience.

Read the rest of his essay if you can stomach it for a realistic description of what exactly goes through a woman’s mind as she is slowly falling out of love with her provider beta husband and contemplating the firestorm of divorce. If all men would read this and absorb its lessons I can guarantee you that marriage rates would tumble into the basement. There’s only so much reality a man can bear before he begins to act in accordance with his self interest. For example:

Some of the women resented their husbands’ lack of suspicion…. Although females never give males any indication that they are anything less than 100 percent faithful, [they] seem to think men are stupid for believing them. Females just think males should know that when they say “I would never cheat on you,” what they really mean is “I would never cheat on you…as long as you make me happy and I don’t get bored.”

Feeling like dropping to one knee and slipping that $20K ring on your beloved’s finger now?

Helpfully, in Sexual Utopia Devlin puts some numbers to the suspicion by men that the divorce industry is mostly a female-run enterprise:

Women formally initiate divorce about two thirds of the time. Most observers agree, however, that this understates matters: In many cases where the husband formally initiates, it is because his wife wants out of the marriage. Exact data are elusive, but close observers tend to estimate that women are responsible for about nine-tenths of the divorcing and breakingup: Men do not love them and leave them, but love them and get left by them. Many young women, indeed, believe they want marriage when all they really want is a wedding (think of bridal magazines). The common pattern is that women are the first to want into marriage and the first to want out.

Devlin goes on to describe the horror show that is the legal process when wives file for divorce and husbands and fathers take it up the ass as they are mercilessly ground to a pulp in the machinery of the state. Read the whole thing and remember that one copy of Mystery Method will cost you a lot less than a trip down the altar.

As I’ve said before, my advice to the typical man is simple:

DON’T GET MARRIED.

Women by nature aren’t on your side, the law isn’t on your side, and even lapdog beta males who’ve blinded themselves to reality and unthinkingly toe the PC party line in hopes their status posturing will offer them up a scrap or two of roadworn desiccated pussy don’t have your side as a man. There is every incentive in the world to avoid marriage. It is a fetid corrupt mess, and only radical social change will make it an attractive alternative for men once again.

Thanks to Game and contraceptives, you can get the sex for free now without the imprisonment of marriage and potential financial and emotional ruin of divorce. The unsuitability of so many self-indulgent modern women for marriage doesn’t help the once-venerable institution’s cause either. As Devlin writes regarding this last point:

Men do not have to prove their worthiness to anybody. They are the ones who bear the primary costs of marriage. It is a woman’s responsibility to prove she is worthy of the privilege of becoming a man’s helpmeet and bearing his children. It takes a strict upbringing to form a tiny female savage into such a lady. Today, that form of upbringing is mostly a thing of the past: marriageable women are becoming difficult to find, and the costs of searching for them are getting too high.

I can tell you right now about 90% of the women I’ve fucked in the past nine months (double digits) were, barring a character transplantation, completely unworthy as marriage material. That is higher than selection effect could reasonably account.

How unsuitable is the modern woman for marriage? Devlin demonstrates that here:

Men of the older generation are insufficiently aware how uncouth women have become. I came rather late to the realization that the behavior I was observing in women could not possibly be normal—that if women had behaved this way in times past, the human race would have died out.

The reader who suspects me of exaggerating is urged to spend a little time browsing women’s self-descriptions on Internet dating sites. They never mention children, but almost always manage to include the word “fun.” “I like to party and have fun! I like to drink, hang out with cool people and go shopping!” The young women invite “hot guys” to contact them. No doubt some will. But would any sensible man, “hot” or otherwise, want to start a family with such a creature?

Now as a dedicated hedonist and realist, I am not in the market for marriage or children and so one of the things I look for in a girl is someone who isn’t dropping the hammer of expectation on me, but if I were screening women for their wife and mother potential I would have to agree that any girl emphasizing her bonafides as a lover of “fun” would not make my short list. And yet a quick glance at Craigslist shows that 75% of women in the W4M section describe themselves as exactly that. Only the foreign women who post there, especially the Russians, seem aware of what it takes to inspire a man to see them as more than a pump and dump. American women need the tutelage of their grandmothers’ wisdom to remind them how to cater to men’s better natures, but in today’s sexual market it may be too late to employ the coy strategy.

Maxim #39: If you want a wife stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun fun fun” and “get bored easily”.

Eventually, sexbots will drive the final nail in the rotting coffin of Western marriage.

It is only under some very special circumstances that I would counsel a man to consider the option of getting married:

  1. He would be perceptibly higher status than his wife. Note that this does not necessarily mean financial status; many wealthy men have been brutalized by their wives in divorce court because at their cores they were simply fearful beta males with lots of money. A high status man is one who perceives himself to be better — as reflected in his psychological dominance — than his woman. He would be unafraid to leave her in search of other women if she were to withdraw from him sexually and emotionally. This would keep her in line… and in love.
  2. The woman he would marry is much richer than him. Although this is a recipe for loss of love and eventual divorce, at least the man who marries a sugar mommy has a distant shot at collecting alimony from her in the event of divorce and using the money to party with strippers. If not, at least he won’t be taken to the cleaners, since he won’t have much to clean. Only men with supreme alpha confidence who are able to attract wealthy women without the crutch of their own equivalent load of riches should attempt this marital scenario.
  3. He has GAME. A man who understands the mentality of women, their different psychological profile, and their true desires and fallen natures, can risk exposing himself to a marriage system that is rigged against his interests from the start. GAME will not only win a woman into your bed, it will keep her in love with you till death… or a beta relapse… do you part.

To all the guys who’ve gotten married and insist their wonderful loving wives would never lose their love for them, betray them, and turn their lives into hell on earth with the rubber stamp of the law, I’ve only this to say…

that’s what the unlucky men used to believe, too.

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PS: Women are ten times more narcissistic than men by nature (and I’m not talking about the narrow clinical definition of narcissism but the more prevalent form of it as a normal gradient of the whole personality). We notice the narcissistic men more because women’s narcissism is like background whitenoise — always there and hence barely registered. A woman’s is a self-regarding narcissism that can coexist with asexual nurturing altruism, which is the kind of altruism practiced by women that single men on the prowl for sexual relief have little use for.

PPS: When a woman appears stereotypically uninterested in discussing certain matters like, for instance, politics, is it more likely the reason that

a. she’s… wait for it… uninterested in the matter or

b. she’s concerned that no one would take her opinion of the matter seriously? (funny how fashion and gossip are exempt from this hypothesis.)

best,

Your Sage Dismisser of Bullshit and Upholder of Occam’s Razor.





Comments


  1. Word… this makes me hate women even more. Granted, I already knew most of what was written but it’s nice to see it put so eloquently.

    kick a bitch

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  2. 3 or 4 months from now when I have finished processing this encyclopedic post I will let you know what I think…. just kidding… work beckons… great post!

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  3. It’s good to mix in some meaty posts. Keep it up.

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  4. Clio — men who’s main experience of women is rejection in favor of Alphas WILL feel resentment and WILL take it out on women.

    I doubt there will be sexbots in the future, and even if there were, they would be poor substitutes for women.

    Fact: pricing most or even an appreciable amount of men out of the marriage/relationship market is going to result in those men resenting women and taking out their resentment in one way or another.

    I would agree that there is a LOT of resentment of women by the men priced out of the relationship market. Women just ought to expect that. Per my comments on the prior thread, men in happy relationships with women can’t afford misogyny or it’s expression by other men. A few Alphas with rotating harems will do nothing to stop misogyny.

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  5. Michael, what is the point in a pre-nup? There really is no use for marriage now that a woman’s incessant narcissistic expectations have been pandered to by the media, politicians and of course, men.

    The pre-nup is that last misguided salvo at maintaining a semblance of yourself before you get absorbed by the vortex.
    The fact that Sex and the City was a smash hit and that Perez Hilton is a star is proof that your marriage, not matter what its situation is destined to crumble away into obscurity.

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  6. Devlin talked about taking Eastern Europeans wives, ha ha.

    Women are the same everywhere. I have lived in E. Europe for way too long. It is just that marriages are not broken up over an affair here, women (and men, and, I believe, it is much easier for a man over here to have a side relationship than in the US, sexual harassment is considered to be a funny joke, lesbians/feminists are openly ridiculed in public and prime time TV.) often have somebody on the side, but the marriage usually survives (barely, really). but divorces happen at a much higher rate than previously, I believe.

    Is it not a little puzzling that countries who are openly hostile to lesbians/feminists, sexual harassment does not “exist”, still have a similar problem? Could be the economy, but I doubt it.

    Anyone Eastern European here? Your take?

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  7. #13 Raphael,

    “Russian Women and Divorce”

    russianwomen.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/russian-women-and-divorce/

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  8. Clio — The fury of men comes from being deprived of truth and sex.

    Men are biologically motivated by sex and they are indoctrinated by society to act a certain way (polite, chivalrous, etc.) in order to get sex. At a certain point, earlier for others, betas who have been unsuccessful in their goal realize the truth behind how women work and think and become angry that they’ve been duped.

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  9. We’ll just import brilliant Asian engineers.

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  10. When a woman appears stereotypically uninterested in discussing certain matters like, for instance, politics, is it more likely the reason that

    a. she’s… wait for it… uninterested in the matter or

    b. she’s concerned that no one would take her opinion of the matter seriously? (funny how fashion and gossip are exempt from this hypothesis.)

    There is a reason opinion openers work. Women love to give their opinion to complete strangers, at least on stuff they are interested in.

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  11. >>> We’ll just import brilliant Asian engineers.

    Then, sure, American society will continue, but all the wealth and good jobs will belong to foreigners.

    How is that going to help American natives?

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  12. Those men who wish for a different type of society — one that produces more wife material type of women — nonetheless enjoy the easier access to sex granted by this one.

    Mostly, though, they don’t enjoy the sex. Only a few alphas get laid like crazy and the rest get what is left. Only no guy will admit that he isn’t getting laid, because that would make him a loser in everyone’s eyes. So, the voices of these men are effectively silenced and there is an illusion of sexual abundance.

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  13. Clio, you want numbers?

    A full 34% of white birth are illegitimate last year. In the UK, over 50%. In the Black community, 70% nationwide and 90% in the urban core. As opposed to 4% for whites in 1965, and 24% for blacks that year (numbers from Juan Williams at NPR).

    CLEARLY, a lot of men are priced out of the marriage market. Indeed, the level of hostility in the culture directed at women should be a major red flag. Young men who’s major experience with women are rejection after rejection, in favor of men who are “jerks” (i.e. hypermacho guys who act around women in ways that gets people fired in the workplace) get angry.

    A good example is the Craigslist classic:

    http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html

    A man in a happy, secure relationship will not only not express misogyny, it’s in his own self-interest to suppress it when he encounters it among other men. The tremendous market for the Game and the Mystery/Strauss stuff ought to be another huge red flag. As is the well-known and frequently expressed resentment among young Asian Men, particularly the nerdier types (their young Asian female counterparts prefer more “macho” guys of other races, will only date them under severe pressure from parents and make clear a fairly extensive sexual history with other men).

    Reality: a woman’s value on the mating market declines with both age (for obvious reasons) and number of partners. The latter because the effect of sex/bonding upon relationships has been upended by too many of them, just like a drug that takes greater amounts to get high, as well as the increased likelihood of various STDs, etc.

    Most men in the workplace are expected to exhibit a passion and concern for boring, minute details about very technical processes, and be “team players.” Women dislike this (along with high IQ) because they believe it indicates low testosterone, unless it’s applied to something “sexy” like Chefs, racing, movie-making, etc. This is a huge issue among most smart, “nerdy” type guys. Who if they are honest have a boatload of resentment towards women.

    Are most women “nice” and bright and generally entertaining to be around? Sure. But men deprived of sex and relationships with them are also sure to exact their pound of flesh. That’s just the way it is.

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  14. “…Women call this manipulation, but in fact it is just the same old reproductive arms race, this time with laser-guided cock bombs.”
    Dude. You are a poet.

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  15. Thanks for another great post. But I take issue with PS: Women are ten times more narcissistic than men by nature . Maybe yes, in practice, right now. But western history for the past thousand years has been largely an indulgence of male narcissism, where your alpha males could run around with impunity.

    This disaster brought forth the Enlightenment, when even alpha males thought it best to divide power and share it, eventually even with women, as an antidote to the abuses of narcissistic alpha tyrants. Male culture became largely self-policing, where overt displays of unseemly naricissim would get you shunned and thrown out. You’re absolutely right that we notice the narcissistic men more, but that is because our distinctly male culture still balks at those who don’t practice the social graces of the Enlightenment by doing touchdown chicken dances instead of the expected display of humility and good sportsmanship.

    Women’s newfound power, a byproduct (though a logical consequence) of Enlightenment goals, is still in its nascent stage. Even before suffrage, it started with advertising, which focused on women because they were largely the consumers — a trend that culminated in today’s female dominance of tv, movies, and retail. (We guys will be soon left with nothing but NASCAR and ESPN classic.) But the message to today’s newly empowered chicas is “youve got the power, so use it.” Like most newly liberated populations, there are going to be excesses, sometimes huge ones, perpetrated by those who are the first to adapt to the new environment. The present culture of female self-indulgence is one great example.

    I also kind of disagree with your alpha/beta distinctions insofar as they imply a ranking based on natural qualities (i. e. ones you are born with). In terms of cultural evolution, betas are simply playing by the old Enlightenment rules, while alphas have adapted to the new environment. I don’t think today’s “alphas” are so much the bigger, stronger baboons as much as they are the beady-eyed sneaky bastards who lurked on the fringes of the troupe, saw a change in the social dynamic, and took advantage.

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  16. hypergamy….serial dating

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  17. Clio, by the way, the anger that men harbor is something that we as women may never fully understand. It is something primal to them, tied together with testosterone and their egos. It’s likely among the reasons why they tend to die younger, have higher blood pressures, etc.

    I found the last line in the article you linked very chilling:

    We may still have a choice: either recognize the special grace and status of the father within the family, or eventually suffer-and probably in this order-criminal anarchy, then the Police State, and finally the iron rule of Big Brother over our domestic and public affairs.

    It’s all already happening.

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  18. on July 24, 2008 at 12:42 am Steve Johnson

    “Like most newly liberated populations, there are going to be excesses, sometimes huge ones, perpetrated by those who are the first to adapt to the new environment. The present culture of female self-indulgence is one great example.”

    People make this argument all the time without thinking about it and the illogic never occurs to them.

    Even if women were total slaves 100 years ago (not true), it’s not like women’s ancestors are all the females who ever lived and men’s ancestors are all the men who ever lived everyone is descended from both men and women (in fact, from more women than men (more women successfully reproduced, the fewer successful men had kids with more women)).

    Talking about centuries of oppression of women is completely senseless. No woman alive today was ever marital property. No woman’s or man’s mother was marital property. Some people’s grandmothers or great grandmothers were. These people are both men and women and men are just as much descendants of the virtuously oppressed great grandmothers as women are of the evil patriarchal grandfathers.

    The only real question is what is best for society. Clearly, letting women do whatever they want isn’t.

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  19. 18: “Men are biologically motivated by sex and they are indoctrinated by society to act a certain way (polite, chivalrous, etc.) in order to get sex. At a certain point, earlier for others, betas who have been unsuccessful in their goal realize the truth behind how women work and think and become angry that they’ve been duped.”

    This is such generalizing bullshit. If all men really want is sex, there are more than enough women who’ll provide them with it. The problem is, they won’t be hot, nubile, young 9s. That’s really the issue, isn’t it? Not that you can’t get sex, but that you can’t get sex with the women you want.

    To that there’s nothing to say except “Boo freakin’ hoo.” This notion that every guy out there is owed the pick of the litter holds no more water than every woman thinking she deserves the alpha. You’re excoriating women for wanting precisely what you yourselves want.

    And the idea that the vast majority of women are out there just arbitrarily rejecting the waves of suitors constantly approaching them is nothing more than a fantasy you’ve concocted to justify your sense of resentment about not getting everything you think you’re entitled to. Do you even know any regular, not-hot-but-not-ugly-either women? Because it doesn’t sound like it. A lot of us know all about “dry spells”, and it sure as hell ain’t because we’re holding out for some George Clooney clone.

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  20. on July 24, 2008 at 12:48 am Patrick Bateman

    Greatest fucking post ever. You almost make me want to break-up with #1. If I didn’t have such a strong breeding instinct, I probably wouldn’t get married. Hell, if there were a sperm bank in the area I wouldn’t be getting married. I’m definitely the type of donor they look for. I give up a lot of pussy to make this work, and I have to work harder for the pussy I do get. It ain’t easy fucking bitches when you live with your #1.

    At least I satisfy your first criterion, and I will have a prenup.

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  21. Clio and Hope — the anger men have towards women is purely a function of being deprived of their companionship. It is not unusual, Mohammed Atta for one expressed it clearly (and people like Osama bin Laden, Abdul “Blind Sheik” Rahman take advantage of that fact). What is so hard to comprehend — the losers in the mating game are intelligent and hypercharged emotional animals (like all humans) and tend to take it out on the winners.

    The ultimate ending is the pattern of Arabia — overthrow the Sheik, kill his sons, take all the women as sex slaves. Patterns that predated Mohammed and outlasted him too.

    I did not find much hard data in the First Things First piece, some more (courtesy of CIA World Fact Book): Total Fertility Per Woman in Algeria, Tunisia, and Iran is around 1.7.

    Increasing wealth and social mobility and urban anonymity = women making short term decisions, based on pure sexual attraction unmoderated about concerns for long-term compatibility. Equals single motherhood. As Minnie Driver said, noting she was not sure she would remain in the relationship with the man who impregnated her, women don’t really “need” husbands and single motherhood has many attractions. No need to compromise on long term relationship stability and the ability to seek out the most high-testosterone men. Even better, the beauty industry promises to prolong women’s beauty.

    As women age, children provide comfort and solace in place of a spouse (or are expected to, at any rate).

    This was inevitable once social mores collapsed and women gained social mobility and financial independence.

    It is not a stable situation though, likely you will see the usual Arabian Pattern (men on the outs seizing power) repeating itself in the West.

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  22. Bugger an asshole, Ryan.

    Since part of this post seems to have been written to address my comments (or is that my narcisissm speaking?), I’d like to ask what exactly you do mean by “female narcissism”, beyond your exclusion of the clinical definition. In what way does it reveal itself? In what way is it stronger than that of men – yours, for example?

    Clio

    p.s. I didn’t say that women were as interested in politics as men; I said that those women who are interested in politics are less likely to want to write about it than men, on the assumption that people aren’t interested in what random strangers have to say on the matter. And men’s interest in writing about politics is seldom a sign of lack of ego or self-absorption, but rather the reverse.

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  23. Johnny, your post pleases me intellectually as only an Eastern European or South American woman could please me sexually.

    Thoroughly, and with sadness that it’s the exception, not the norm.

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  24. And the idea that the vast majority of women are out there just arbitrarily rejecting the waves of suitors constantly approaching them is nothing more than a fantasy you’ve concocted to justify your sense of resentment about not getting everything you think you’re entitled to.

    You really think that? Again my favorite jibe: You don’t get out much do you? I witness the crushing rejection every f’ing time I’m out, as good 7,8 and sometimes 9s as men get tossed on their keister by women who are scant 7’s and 8’s. It’s not the men who are approaching too high a target, it’s clearly women rejecting irrationally. And the surge in Game Method(s) is the adaptation to this nonsensical state of affairs.

    I see the metaphorical Bitch Shield®, everyday, at full strength. Maybe you remember the purpose of the Bitch Shield®? To arbitrarily reject waves of suitors. And it’s not just the 9+ that have them. Somewhen in the last 10 years the Bitch Shield® has become standard arsenal of the 7’s. This was not true of women a scant 20 years ago. It’s not the men who feel entitled, it’s the women.

    Thankfully I’m attractive enough that invariably some woman breaks rank, and once the others see how good a time she’s having, well… the rest is easy. My beta brothers cannot achieve the same result without drastic behavioral changes.

    One cannot escape the 10% of each sex co-opting some 50% of the market of the opposite sex. This has been going on since time immemorial. But at least common-sense prevailed and if A Good Man™ showed up, he had a fighting chance. In today’s market he is left to dry up on the ground for simply not knowing how to properly spread his peacock feathers and waltz a woman into bed.

    And y’all call us shallow….

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  25. Whoa, Clio! You do surprise me. O_O

    I read this whole post in horror, not because I whole-heartedly disagree, but because I see a lot of truths.

    women are responsible for about nine-tenths of the divorcing and breakingup: Men do not love them and leave them, but love them and get left by them.

    This is true. I am seeing it more and more. I went through some of the same things, only I was not married.

    Only by becoming aware of our own actions and underlying causes can we try to rise above our nature.

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  26. Surprise you? Yes, I’m surprising me, too. I thought I’d left this level of anger behind many years ago. Time I stopped reading or posting here. Perhaps.

    I don’t deny the truth of many of his observations, or I wouldn’t have started reading his blog regularly. I just don’t understand his anger. If he’s telling the truth about himself, and I’ve always assumed that he is, he’s getting all the sexual encounters he wants, and generally under the conditions he imposes. Why the fury? Why the fury from so many of the men who comment? I suppose some of them have been mistreated by women, but many of them don’t appear to have much reason to complain.

    I agree that modern marriage is a mess, but I just don’t see that this is primarily women’s fault. Men have some responsibility for it too. I’d take the stats about women initiating divorce more seriously if the stat-heads only offered an explanation for it. Surely at least some of the time addiction, abuse, or adultery are the reason? Besides that, I see many men who offer their wives and children no love at all.

    What does O_O mean?

    Clio

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  27. The very nature of this post highlights a great difference between men and women. Men are rational truth seekers and women are not. Like most men, he cares about the truth, and teaches some good game tactics women can use. Even if this doesn’t help him: ie telling women not to sleep with guys like him if they have their best interests at heart. On the other hand beautiful women usually react negatively when they hear about guys learning game.

    But I don’t think Devlin’s advice would work with women. Because I don’t think any advice works with women.

    Explaining something like Game or differences between the sexes to a MAN, rationally, will usually lead to appreciation and understanding, and possibly a change in behavior. He will thank you and integrate the new knowledge.

    On the other hand explaining something akin to the female version of game to girls – ie Devlin’s default advice, don’t be a slut, don’t kid yourself about marrying that tall and handsome man, don’t get married for the frickin ceremony – this will never work with girls, even if a thousand Devlins screamed it from a thousand newspapers every day. Because women base their behavior on emotions, what feels right.

    So lectures, or even investigating the issue further, won’t have any effect on how they behave. The only thing that will change female behavior is social disapproval. Not the disapproval of the government, not the disapproval of the New York Times, no, the disapproval of their friends and family. That’s. It. For this reason Neil Strauss’s idea for a female version of ‘the Game’ is a waste of energy. Women will read it, forget it two seconds later because of a change in emotion, and then just go off and sleep with the first alpha they meet.

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  28. Why wouldn’t a man get married, but just with a pre-nup? I guess you still risk having your children raised by another man, but I’d assume the odds would go down if she realized you wouldn’t be financing her.

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  29. on July 24, 2008 at 1:41 am Comment_Clio

    Clio, was it my comment on dear old Slot-Machine Grandma that set you off? Cause it kind of looks like it was.

    I know that all female-family member should have a free pass on being totally insane, but I personally find people who are insane every second of every day tiresome.

    I also find it typical that you demand that all men have “no anger” towards any women. Men may make demands of womens actions, but women think they have the right to boss around men’s thoughts.

    And they all are, apparently like you, quite proud of it.

    You are proud of your thought-policing, aren’t you?

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  30. You cannot believe how nourishing and wonderful it is to be married to a great woman.

    Well put, ST. My two buddies know what they’re missing, and they’re pissed off.

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  31. 45: “You really think that? Again my favorite jibe: You don’t get out much do you?”

    Yes, I really think that, precisely because I do get out there.

    “And y’all call us shallow….”

    I do, and I’ve yet to see a post on here that disproves it.

    If you’re only after 7s and above (using your example,) then the problem is not that there aren’t enough willing women to accommodate men’s vast masculine needs. It’s that men want a 7 or above and are angry if those hotties don’t want them.

    If it were really about quelling men’s overwhelming biological urges, they’d just take aim for a 5 or 6 and get the job done. But no, instead the men here (not everywhere, fortunately) cope by making it out to be womenkind’s character flaw. All this macho posturing is sounding increasingly like the ranting of spoiled adolescents with a huge sense of entitlement, who can’t seem to accept that you don’t always get what you want in life, and it’s not the responsibility of the object of your desire to provide you with anything whatsoever. That’s not something that women are “doing” to men, that’s just life. Women are facing exactly the same object lesson every single day.

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  32. Fuck, that was a long post.

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  33. You have to be willing to leave and simply walk away from a woman…not fake it, but actually be willing to do this…and then they will love/respect you. period. keeping girls on the side makes this mentality more easily attainable….you’re speaking the gospel as always. Much appreciated.

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  34. @51

    Yes. Marriage can be good with the right woman. Yet given current market conditions, I despair of finding the right one. And I wouldn’t mind discounting on the beauty factor if it raised the character, comfort, loyalty, and brains factor. But even that trade is short in this market.

    There are days where I am one step away from just creating a small harem of El Guapo’s Angels and being done with it all.

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  35. And I wouldn’t mind discounting on the beauty factor if it raised the character, comfort, loyalty, and brains factor. But even that trade is short in this market.

    If you discount on the beauty factor, you’ll find yourself in five years in a divorce court because your wife caught you cheating on someone else who is better looking.

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  36. So why are you playing at their house and not at yours? Let me guess, your wife will nag about playing a video game?

    You’re cute, David. I go to their house because they live one neighborhood over, have a huge basement and the whole Rock Band set-up, and have other gamer friends who drop by.

    Oh, and Mrs. PA usually comes with me and plays too.

    I think your friends are still much better off in the deal.

    I think they’d disagree. But they do cope (sound of a jetliner taking off for foreign ports…)

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  37. “Trust me, as we speak, your wife is secretly desiring an alpha male that she wished she had. ”

    Secretly desiring is something that goes on for both parties after marriage.

    Well, in a really good marriage, both parties make these secret desires known. Few marriages are this strong. My marriage was.

    The absolute commitment to always remain loyal to one another is still possible. Believe me. I can’t give you a set of rules that govern this.

    We made a terrible mistake when we removed the shame and social censure from divorce. The deeper problem is that we (and I mean whites in the U.S.) no longer know how to raise girls to become women. We have lost all the signposts for doing this… tradition, religion, etc. … and substituted ideology. Ideology is a very weak substitute.

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  38. I see this too. I have two 30-something low-beta male friends. I often hang out with them at their house to play Rock Band. Fine guys basically. Decent looking, decent jobs, though a layer of celibate bachelorhood did envelop them in a crust of chick-repelling manners and habits.

    Out of curiosity, what is it about these two men that makes them low betas? And what are the chick-repelling manners and habits?

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  39. Out of curiosity, what is it about these two men that makes them low betas?

    Tautologically speaking, the fact that they can’t get girlfriends. How did they get to be that way? I guess a combination of factors: naturally low game, nerdiness, probably bad experiences in adolescence.

    And what are the chick-repelling manners and habits?

    The kind of shit you see on any guy over 30 who doesn’t get laid:
    – wearing clothes that they think are cool but in reality make them look like bums
    – inattention to detail in personal grooming (one of them shaves but neglects to get the little whiskers at the corner of his mouth)
    – a diet of McDonalds and Pizza Hut, and its results in their posture, physique, and skin tone
    – reacting to an attractive woman like she’s a mysterious alien lifeform armed with a vaporize-a-nerd ray gun (written with all due affection)
    – a house that never gets cleaned
    – etc.

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  40. Heh. I directed one them to this blog and he knows my handle “PA.” Dude, if you’re reading the comments, don’t say I didn’t tell all that personally in the past!

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  41. Secretly desiring is something that goes on for both parties after marriage.

    That’s a problem in my eyes. You shouldn’t secretly desire another person once your married, otherwise, IMHO, it’s a sign that the other person is failing to live up to your expectations. In something as important as marriage, there is no room for error, and no acceptance for second place.

    I mean whites in the U.S.

    Whites no longer need religion as whites have become the Übermensch of the world. Les blancs sont les dieux à la terre.

    The kind of shit you see on any guy over 30 who doesn’t get laid

    But if they’re happy maintaining this lifestyle, why should they change? In order to attract the attention of some woman who will only use them as an alpha male substitute? Within five years, they’ll be just as sexless as now, but stuck with a wife and kid.

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  42. Congratulations for spelling Übermensch DA. By the way, Übermensch doesn’t refer to a super human, but to a human who overcomes his limitations: überkommen=overcome.
    Nietzsche is good stuff by the way. Really, everybody should read Nietzsche, Kant, Mein Kampf and Das Kapital. (interesting that all these guys were German by the way).
    The whites are the gods of the earth? Who said that DA?

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  43. our world and our posterity is deliberately and with impunity (for now) being destroyed by our evil financial and cultural elites.

    Agreed. Not saying that you do this (Lawrence Auster is critical of neocons), but I see a lot of blame on only certain members of the elites. The elites are destructive whether their views are so-called “liberal” or “conservative.” In fact, the current elite can hardly be labeled with those terms. Note that some “conservative” politicians had held hands with Saddam Hussein, and Democratic politicians have converted to Republican party, and vice versa, without much fanfare.

    Most of these people have the ultimate goals of power, control over the population, and nepotist wealth and legacy transfer between generations of elites. They care not for the average worker, our worsening family life, the breakdown of crucial infrastructures, or the deteriorating conditions of the society in general.

    In fact, they tend to profit and benefit from rampant celebrity worship, runaway debt and consumerist culture, and a shrinking middle class. Feminism is convenient to them, because women are great consumers. They are looking at markets from other countries should this one fail. They are not thinking about this country’s future, but the future of their group (Bilderberg, WTO, etc.) — globally.

    That is partly why the Bush family wanted to have more lax immigration policies from south of the border, though it was met with great outcry from the rest of the Republican party, who are more paleocon. The “liberals” are on board with Bush’s agenda, as they are also among the elites. The message they send out to the rank and file “liberals” (or Democrats) believe that it’s good to invite massive numbers of immigrants for “diversity,” not realizing the real purpose is nothing more than cheap labor to outcompete and displace local labor.

    The more long-sighted, non-elite people on both the “left” and the “right” are in the same place at this point in time (see how similar a libertarian and a hippie are). All lovers of free society are, in spirit, on the same side, regardless of whether or not they quibble over small philosophical matters.

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  44. But if they’re happy maintaining this lifestyle, why should they change?

    They are happy in some ways. There is a freedom to being a bachelor, like being able to fly to Vegas at moment’s notice and get a blow job from a call-girl. The do OK money-wise and do the kind of stuff they like.

    One thing you don’t get, David, is that perspective changes with age. You’re 24 or 25. You don’t give a shit yet. When I was that age, sometimes I had a girlfriend, sometimes I didn’t. I was very happy and being married was inconceivable to me.

    As you get into your mid thirties, you start seeing things differently.

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  45. @56

    David,

    You do me an injustice. I’m an old style male — I have never ever cheated on any woman. I am very promiscuous while single, but faithful to a fault when in a relationship.

    And beauty, really isn’t the primary variable, but since I can command the attention of 10’s, I start there and work down…

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  46. z: It’s easy, really, every somewhat sane male would figure out that having kids basically is a losing proposition from a personal happiness point of view (fuck genetics, you’re not around long enough to bother with that unless you plan on preying on your teenage daughters hot friends ala American Beauty).

    Instead, you pocket the money that costs and use it to chase hot women after your wife (if you’re dumb enough to get married in the first place) gets fat, if nothing else.

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  47. z @ 63

    Religious girls don’t seem to be any uglier than non-religious girls, at least where I’m at. They do tend to have more conventional personalities though. The men do tend to be more beta. Religious people have sex for pretty much the same reasons everyone else does.

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  48. Secretly desiring is something that goes on for both parties after marriage.

    Well, in a really good marriage, both parties make these secret desires known. Few marriages are this strong. My marriage was.

    The absolute commitment to always remain loyal to one another is still possible. Believe me. I can’t give you a set of rules that govern this.

    Very true. Secrets are not necessary if you can talk about anything with respect and love and have a strong commitment.

    IMHO, it’s a sign that the other person is failing to live up to your expectations. In something as important as marriage, there is no room for error, and no acceptance for second place.

    Seeking perfection in human beings is a sure way to be disappointed. People who expect absolute mental faithfulness are setting themselves up for headaches.

    Whites no longer need religion as whites have become the Übermensch of the world. Les blancs sont les dieux à la terre.

    There are blacks (half black, but they are called black by most Americans regardless) who walk among the world elite. Most of the rich and powerful see no colors where money is concerned.

    every somewhat sane male would figure out that having kids basically is a losing proposition from a personal happiness point of view

    A lot of married men with kids beg to differ with that view. Their eyes practically light up when they talk about their children. It’s mostly ones that don’t have kids who think as you have written.

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  49. So maybe it’s a seperating equilibrium.

    Or it could be the ones who have children deludin themselves: happiness research shows children to have small but nevertheless negative impacts on overall happiness levels.

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  50. @69

    Having children is not a losing proposition. But it has been made outrageously expensive.

    And since even an incorrigible playboy like myself has now had his nesting-gene activated, one truly cannot say “Never!”. I know now that children are going to be integral to my happiness.

    Well, off to seek The Breeder For Me!

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  51. I am not even a playboy – not by a far shot – I still cannot image wanting to have children. Irrational, screaming, 24-7 attention requiring, noisy creatures – where’s the allure?

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  52. Or it could be the ones who have children deludin themselves: happiness research shows children to have small but nevertheless negative impacts on overall happiness levels.

    Their overall happiness might be lower because they are more worried about things that could impact their children. To their children they are often filled with love, but they may become more miserable because they might have to suffer more to provide for their kids.

    One of my husband’s coworkers has four children, and his wife is a stay at home mom. So he is supporting them on one salary, even though he hates the boss and the job. He has been looking for a new job for years without luck, since he has seniority at the current place and cannot find a job that pays more, on top of the bad economy.

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  53. David Alexander — what is most likely to happen is either social collapse as more ruthless and driven groups of young beta males from another culture uses violence to ensconce itself as “rulers” and men like yourself end up paying tribute to the gang, or some set of native young men doing that.

    Ultimately, society rests on a monopoly of force by social consensus. As Europe is finding out, having lots of young men from foreign places wanting to rule by violence, and not having enough young men with skin in the game on your own side to oppose them (and enforce the rule of law in the Western sense) leads to a total social breakdown.

    Police officers and soldiers and the like do not appear by magic. Lack enough of them and the Gang rules. Just ask the people of South Central how happy THEY are with rule by gangs of men all wanting to be Alpha. Or ask Biggie and Tupac how the game of “King Alpha” worked out for them.

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  54. Irrational, screaming, 24-7 attention requiring, noisy creatures – where’s the allure?

    That’s how we all come into the world, but we mature (or most of us do). It’s like the beginning of an artist’s painting: to a bystander there seems to not be much there, and the process of painting is long and boring. But for the artist, to finish a piece is immensely rewarding.

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  55. On a larger note I think Devlin’s point is spot on. I also have seen women reject perfectly good men just because. I also understand how women from say puberty on spend most of their time rejecting most guys in favor of the Bigshot Alpha. It really is that way.

    I have also seen the permanent bachelor stuff, and it does repel women, mostly because the men don’t do the status/testosterone/wealth posturing. Most of that is VERY counter-productive in the work place, and discouraged, outside of say sales and sports and law.

    The net of is that these guys have very negative views about women, though it is not expressed much.

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  56. Thank you for mentioning Devlin and his work — I read “Sexual Utopia” several months ago and was instantly moved, but I didn’t know that he’d written anything else. Will definitely take a look at the files you linked to.

    This is probably your best post yet (among many good ones).

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  57. clio:
    Yes, I’m surprising me, too. I thought I’d left this level of anger behind many years ago.

    when you enter my realm, all polite artifice in time disintegrates. the ugly truth has a way of doing that to people. as do my very rude tactics.

    I just don’t understand his anger. If he’s telling the truth about himself, and I’ve always assumed that he is, he’s getting all the sexual encounters he wants, and generally under the conditions he imposes. Why the fury?

    this is a typical female trope of the sort that is used to pigeonhole men that don’t conform to their expectations of what a man loved by women should act like — namely, obsequious to their view of the world.

    hate is as natural as love, clio. it is possible, particularly for a charming devil like myself who relishes the sturm und drang and hates with a passion as much as he loves, to summon the monster as easily as the angel.
    or: being in love does not necessarily exclude rejoicing in anger.
    in fact, they are often complimentary.

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  58. I agree that modern marriage is a mess, but I just don’t see that this is primarily women’s fault. Men have some responsibility for it too. I’d take the stats about women initiating divorce more seriously if the stat-heads only offered an explanation for it. Surely at least some of the time addiction, abuse, or adultery are the reason? Besides that, I see many men who offer their wives and children no love at all.

    What does O_O mean?

    Clio

    Relationships are tough, I won’t lie. But we as humans have a lot of reserved resilience within us. Women as a whole here are not holding up our end. You might not notice this since you are in Canada.

    O_O is like a face (don’t look at it sideways) with big eyes that are popped out in surprise.

    Because women base their behavior on emotions, what feels right.

    Yes, women do. But what “feels” right is different based on a woman’s upbringing, culture and social cues. As you said, “The only thing that will change female behavior is social disapproval.” Socially speaking here, it has become less stigmatized for a woman to be more promiscuous.

    Those men who wish for a different type of society — one that produces more wife material type of women — nonetheless enjoy the easier access to sex granted by this one. Hedonism is a Greek word, after all. We are not at a unique historical juncture.

    Women call this manipulation

    To some extent we are all manipulative. The difference is in effect. What turns a woman on viscerally is not compatible with her wifely and motherly roles.

    As the article states, “when a woman desires a man, she thinks she is in love, and when the desire fades she thinks she is out of love.”

    Manipulation surely can prolong the period of this desire. But the only way out of this dead-end mess is for the woman to clear the mist from her eyes, to distinguish her genuine emotions from her loins, to realize that love is not lust.

    Not everything magically falls in place after that. But to glance at even his own world of “pick-up” could scare a woman into abandoning the “fun” life — a type of life that is a siren call even to those who have never experienced it. At least, that’s why I still come here. It’s a stark, inecessant reminder.

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  59. on July 23, 2008 at 10:19 pm Milton Freedman

    Clio the answer to your question is very simple. He is a tax payer and a member of a society that will have to deal with increasingly dumber engineers.

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  60. I just don’t understand his anger. If he’s telling the truth about himself, and I’ve always assumed that he is, he’s getting all the sexual encounters he wants, and generally under the conditions he imposes. Why the fury?

    I get all the sex I could possibly need and I share a good fraction of his views — including anger at the obvious injustice done to men — even as I search for my Final Cylon model. (Any Caprica #6’s out there?)

    Let’s make it painfully obvious. The vast majority of men are perfectly capable human beings. The vast majority of men would make good husbands, fathers, providers and protectors and thus give women, in reality, all women really need.

    Instead, women pass them by, for what are irrational, capricious, Must-Mate-Alpha_You-Are-Beta-Get-Lost, reasons. What’s even worse, the vast majority of the women doing the rejecting are in reality not worthy suitors for the alpha’s they are chasing. The would be infinitely happier with the beta’s they are rejecting.

    Since in reality, the choice of mate belongs to the female side — so does the responsibility.

    So long as the present state of affairs continues, beta males will resent the rejection, and those of us who have the harems and can/will continue to see the big picture (and since we have a sense of justice — feel the anger) and try to give those same betas a real fighting chance at sex and happiness via leadership by example.

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  61. its worth considering the fact we live in the wealthiest nation in the world were women can jump ship and not be concerned with survival. I am sure in that past many woman stayed put and loyal because they realized they had no other viable options. even without the legislation in women’s favor the relative wealth of their friends and families is a safety net that has only come into existence recently. this is something i’ve seen personally, where woman leave there husbands and start leeching off mom and dad again till they find a new man

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  62. possible antidote-to all my men…toughen the f*** up with your woman and let her know who is boss

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  63. Anyone Eastern European here? Your take?

    I’m Eastern European. More precisely, I came to the US from E.E. in my teens during the 1980s. I visit once or twice a year, and I’m married to an EE woman.

    Women are the same everywhere.

    True. And over time, too. There is a classic 1945 Polish movie “Kanal” that deals with the 1944 Warsaw Uprising ( not the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising) in which a group of men and women in the Resistance try to evacuate the city through sewers. The Game dynamic is a major sub-plot of the movie: an ingratiating beta male tries to get something going with a dark-haired beauty, who ignores him, and in turn pines for a strong alpha in their group. He, in turn, ignores her advances, and the more contemptuous his rebuffs, the more she wants him.

    In a way, I think that the dreary landscape he is describing is not something new… it’s a return to how things always were. I think that several generations of Western men have been lulled into complacence with women. I’m not sure it was the wars that culled surplus men, or the religious culture, or what, but it seems that marrying a girl — a good looking young one — was a given for our grandfathers and their fathers.

    My fuzzy recollections of classic literature suggest that the wild nature of women was known and acknowldeged by men. And we are now re-discovering this reality, and playing catch-up via Game and what-not.

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  64. Which beta men aren’t getting married? Everywhere I look, as I think I said on the previous thread, I see men married to attractive women, and the men don’t appear especially impressive to me, but do appear to be happy.

    Forget your bs about women’s tropes. It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants. I’m not talking about being cynical or a truth-teller, I’m talking about rate.

    But perhaps Thursday is right about this, and the men who post here are not telling the truth about the numbers of women willing to have sex with them.

    It’s odd; three men who post here regularly have written to me (at my blog email address) privately to say that reading this blog has a bad influence on them; and that the single women they meet in real life are much nicer than he makes women out to be.

    And no, I don’t think the men in question were saying this to try to initiate a more intimate encounter.

    Clio

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  65. DA must be severely retarded. Admission to Catholic schools has nothing to do with being religious. Ive known some girls who went to an girls-only Catholic school ran by nuns from a thousand old congregation. I dont know if it can get more hardcore than that. Students could have been muslim or jewish, or pastafarians really. nobody gave a flying fuck who they are as long as you paid the tuition (something in mid five digits, i think).

    Nobody was sent to that school because it was Catholic. Id assume it is the same with most other Catholic schools. In some cities(countries?) the entire public school system is ran by a Catholic board, I dont think that means students are any more religious.

    Ive been to Jehova witness prayer houses and Mormon temples, Id say there the ratio of good looking girls is the same general ratio you encounter in any other normal social setting. I dont know why they would go around nagging everyone to read the bible, if they werent religious at all, so I think its reasonable to assume they were at least somewhat religious.

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  66. on July 24, 2008 at 5:28 am SovereignAmericanMale

    What does O_O mean?

    Clio

    1. O_O: shock, or Wide Eyed Staring, disbelief…

    1.
    >a fucking 747 just flew into the side of the Twin Towers!!!
    >O_O !!??!!

    1b.
    >MY MOM DIED!
    >O_O you’re KIDDING!

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    @30 Hope
    You are one smart cookie!
    Hands you a gold star!
    (btw I am a former asian feshishist)

    @65 Hope
    OMG!
    Shine on you crazy diamond!!!

    @76
    @78
    Hope, you are a beautiful female mind!

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    @37 johnny five

    In this post you have given me no choice, I call you: “my Brother”
    Some coping skills: banging an underage prom queen is out of the question for most of us here, so try…

    Go play some “rage against the machine” and throw darts at a printout of obama or mccain.
    People ask why I go into a room by myself and yell at the wall for about ten minutes.

    I tell em, its called Primal Scream therapy, and its all the rage with former alterboys and boyscouts.

    ( they will leave you alone afterwards, but they don’t get that its a joke, but they weakly smile and look at their feet and nervously laugh, some may start yelling on their own 0_O )

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    @58 Shouting Thomas

    “The deeper problem is that we (and I mean whites in the U.S.) no longer know how to raise girls to become women.”

    You can still find real women, but you have to shop wisely amongst the Mennonite, Amish and Mormans or in patriot Freemen Comunities

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  67. on July 24, 2008 at 5:37 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @58 Shouting Thomas

    Or import one… I am getting my bride from Austraila. She cleared my 96 point checklist.

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  68. Only a few alphas get laid like crazy and the rest get what is left. Only no guy will admit that he isn’t getting laid, because that would make him a loser in everyone’s eyes. So, the voices of these men are effectively silenced and there is an illusion of sexual abundance.

    Perhaps that is true, but again, even the “average frustrated chump” is not a virgin, but has had premarital sex. David Alexander is not a virgin, though he is not “getting laid” all the time. Being a virgin is not a de facto requirement for a woman anymore to get married (though it is still in many parts of the world), and so young American girls are engaging in sex more often. That is what I meant by “easier access.”

    I think that the dreary landscape he is describing is not something new… it’s a return to how things always were… it seems that marrying a girl — a good looking young one — was a given for our grandfathers and their fathers.

    Personally, I do wonder if men were really getting a lot more sex back 50 years ago, within the context of marriage. Did their wives have sex with them multiple times a week, fulfilling all of their men’s sexual needs? Did the “beta provider” males really live in sexual paradise with their guaranteed one young pretty wife? Or perhaps, as I personally suspect, the initial passion eventually died anyway, and adultery was quiet but rampant?

    Women are the same everywhere.

    Biologically, yes, for the most part (unless you want to count the small differences in estrogen / testosterone levels among different women). There is significant social and cultural variation, however.

    Women here are no longer shamed if they abandon marriage and family in order to pursue “love,” which is in reality lust inspired by the “alpha” man, the type whom women ordain to be “hot,” the type that they open up their legs to — but this is not the type of man who holds society together.

    There is still incentive to marry for emotional, psychological and perhaps social reasons, but it is not necessary for breeding, sexual relations or even for the stability of the society (polygyny was practiced for thousands of years in eastern civilizations).

    Society is mostly held together by mutual social contract between men, as women will never actually band together for violent rebellion. It seems like the esprit de corp among men is still quite high. Even if they collectively hate women, they do so as a group.

    The hatred is perhaps justified, but it is no different from a woman hating a man for not being able to help himself when his eyes veer toward an attractive, young and fertile female. This is divide and conquer — us vs. them. Women entered the job market and lowered wages, much the same way immigrants and newly freed slaves did.

    This is what the powers that be want for us. They want us to live in isolation, to hate each other, to break down the social bonds so that we are individually weaker. Human beings are social creatures, but male to female social bonds have been broken down by short-sighted decisions all around. Individualism has prevailed after all.

    The future is bleak indeed. Not just for men, but for women as well.

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  69. clio:
    Which beta men aren’t getting married? Everywhere I look, as I think I said on the previous thread, I see men married to attractive women

    50% of them will soon realize the error of their ways.

    forget your bs about women’s tropes.

    proof by assertion, clio? tsk tsk it won’t do.

    It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants.

    your difficulty in understanding is not my moral (or blogging) crisis.

    I’m not talking about being cynical or a truth-teller, I’m talking about rate.

    we are not coldly impersonal machines. it’s so much more fun to put a little fire and brimstone into the staid courtly proceedings. rage and hate can be as invigorating as lust and love.
    i suggest you try it sometime. it’s breathtaking!

    But perhaps Thursday is right about this, and the men who post here are not telling the truth about the numbers of women willing to have sex with them.

    i can’t speak for them, but i can tell you this… it would be a mistake in attempting remote psychoanalysis to extrapolate from the average man to yours truly. there can be only one. and his id is legendary.

    It’s odd; three men who post here regularly have written to me (at my blog email address) privately to say that reading this blog has a bad influence on them

    outstanding!
    when do i receive my royalty checks?
    ps: define “bad”.

    and that the single women they meet in real life are much nicer than he makes women out to be.

    oh, plenty of women i meet and date in real life are perfectly nice. what i describe on this blog is not their ability to be pleasant in conversation, but the undercurrents of hindbrain machinations that motivate their actions.

    And no, I don’t think the men in question were saying this to try to initiate a more intimate encounter.

    yes, mustn’t forget that disclaimer, else dark thoughts might intrude.

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  70. . . . and the men who post here are not telling the truth about the numbers of women willing to have sex with them.

    Or they could really be the Alphas getting laid.

    It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants.

    Why assume that rage has to be at something personal? Maybe he is just genuinely outraged at how loathesome and unjust the current sexual regime is, however much he personally benefits from it.

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  71. DA has never spent time in Louisiana. However many Catholic girls there are more than willing to engage in sex while being quite religious. And also quite pretty.

    The Voodoo girls can be pretty nerdy though. There was one notable (pre Katrina) Black Voodoo Priestess who was possibly the biggest nerd since Urkel.

    As for being the second choice post-Alpha, that is indeed a problem and will only lead to social collapse. The traditional way men who are not Alpha have solved this:

    1. Total violence to kill the old order’s guards.
    2. Take surviving women as sex slaves.

    It is par for the course in West Africa. Much of the ME’s history (dating back to Babylonian times).

    I don’t think any of Devlin’s recommendations will change much. Women have to see bad consequences: being alone, no kids or kids abandoning them due to single motherhood, pushed around by men (with no male defenders) as they age and see them quite clearly. The way they can see the threat to beauty that a chocolate chip cookie screaming “eat me I’m DELICIOUS!” can pose.

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  72. Proof by assertion? Like perhaps 90% of what you write?

    Whiskey, I still think that many social forces have made it difficult for women to find solid husbands, including, above all, foolish policy that made it easy for what was, initially, a small number of women to have children without husbands, which broadened the number of men without fathers, who were thus less suited to marriage, leading more women to decide to bear children outside marriage, etc. This is a terrible thing, but it’s not exclusively women’s fault that it happened.

    Here’s a link to a piece in First Things which, while not flattering to women at all, gives what I think is a fairer assessment than Devlin’s of what has happened to marriage and parenthood in the last 40 years: http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=3995&var_recherche=gutmann

    Scroll down and look for the piece called “In the Absence of Fathers”. It isn’t religious in tone, for those who hate that kind of thing. I’ve cited it here before.

    Clio

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  73. on July 24, 2008 at 6:08 am Steve Johnson

    Let’s be honest with ourselves. Are you really willing to be some woman’s second best because she couldn’t get the bigshot alpha. Are you willing to degrade yourself and admit that you’re not the best option, but the alternative?

    Hate to be the one to break it to you but Angelina dreams about George Clooney and whoever George Clooney is putting it to is dreaming about Brad Pitt or Tom Brady or someone.

    No one is a woman’s first choice forever.

    I can’t speak as a woman but when I’m with a redhead, brunettes turn my head. When I’m with a brunette, blondes drive me to distraction. Thin girls? All I want is more curvy women. Curvy chicks? Then I need an athletic chick.

    Everyone wants variety and no man is 100% dominant on every scale. Suck it up or don’t but you’re not going to persuade anyone that jerking off beats sex.

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  74. on July 24, 2008 at 6:13 am Steve Johnson

    whiskey,

    There’s a 3rd solution. Teach girls to be discreet about what they want because the odds that they get their #1 choice are basically 0 and rubbing that fact in the face of their husband will just make both of them miserable.

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  75. It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants.

    clio, this comment – which i’ll kindly paraphrase as ‘yes, why would someone with a wet cock and a full stomach rage against societal decay?’ – is, to use one of your favorite terms, piffle. in fact, it’s worse than just ‘piffle’.

    i have just about everything i want in life, too, in the material, carnal, and social senses.
    but, whenever i start paying ANY attention AT ALL to the goings-on around me, it takes every ounce of my self-restraint to keep the fires of fury to a controlled burn.
    i see court systems that require continued payment of alimony to ex-wives who have murdered their own children, and that extract child support from men who became fathers when they were statutorily raped at age 11 or 12.
    i see movies and television shows portraying only women as intelligent, competent, and capable of leadership, and portraying men in ways that are at best mocking, at worst openly contemptuous, and invariably with the purpose of undermining the proper male role in society.
    i see multiculturalist élites who value all cultures but our own, openly denouncing the roots of Western intellectual inquiry and liberal democracy while at the same time enjoying ALL the fruits of capitalism that could only have flourished under exactly such a system.
    i see pussyfooting liberals welcoming, with open arms, radical muslims who openly declare their jihadist intentions upon the very soil to which they seek to immigrate.
    i see a complete devaluation of objectively measured merit, excellence, and achievement, in favor of ridiculously pretentious egalitarianism that is nothing more than thinly veiled discrimination against groups who have traditionally bootstrapped themselves up with a strong work ethic.

    so, yes, i’m getting laid, i eat good food, i have friends, and i make a decent living doing work i like. moreover, although i may come off otherwise on this site, i have an irrepressible hyperthymic temperament, often getting stupidly happy for no good reason whatsoever. and finally, i haven’t even yet reached the age at which most men start giving half a fuck about most of these things yet.
    but that is NO reason not to be ABSOLUTELY FUCKING FURIOUS about the inexorable disintegration of EVERYTHING that has allowed the West to shine.

    go read everything by mark steyn. (you may feel a bit of camaraderie with him, as he’s a fellow canucker.) then come back, read his material again in a new light, and shudder uncontrollably.

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  76. DA has never spent time in Louisiana.

    Since I’m a NYC Metro resident, my experiences may vary from your experiences.

    Everyone wants variety and no man is 100% dominant on every scale.

    Then why should we bother paring up with somebody in a permanent fashion then? We’re simply going to become bored and tired of dealing with their faults and foibles. Why can’t we simply hold out for our first place and maintain our high standards?

    Suck it up or don’t but you’re not going to persuade anyone that jerking off beats sex.

    I had a better orgasm from jerking off to porn that I did by putting my penis inside of some woman’s vagina with and without a condom.

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  77. H you have outdone yourself! You must have this post permanently linked on your website. However, I sincerely caution you from elevating Russian women above what has become apparent with American girls. Seriously, they are becoming Americanized faster than you imagine. I’ve seen it and experienced it with Russians off the boat no more than a couple of years.

    You know what though, I hadn’t read some of Devlin’s stuff until today and I made very similar comments over at T’s “The Rawness” regarding the vanity of women today under his post on Marriage.

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  78. Been reading Mark Steyn for years, Johnny 5, probably longer than you, as a matter of fact. I’ve sent money to support some of the people caught up in the net of the Maclean’s trial, too, though not Steyn himself.

    I’m perfectly capable of getting angry at nearly all the things that infuriate you, too; indeed, I have even more to be angry over, in a sense, as I’m almost completely isolated, intellectually speaking. (There’s the women who dislike me for not being enough of a feminist, and then there’s the men who dislike me – excluse me, my ideas – for being too much of one.) But that doesn’t really bother me and anyway, that’s not the kind of thing I’m talking about.

    When I queried the anger of him and his commenters, I was thinking of the anger they direct at young, “nubile” women as a group, women who have not done them any wrong, not even saying “no” to them (if you all are telling the truth) and who have not, for the most part, been guilty of no-fault divorce, laying false sexual harassment charges, making false paternity claims, and the like, nor ever will be, most of them. Women who are not entirely responsible for the way the media portrays them – which many of them don’t much like, or find flattering, either. Women who are not wholly responsible for stupid immigration laws, radical muslims, and the rest of the social ills you name.

    It’s that anger I don’t understand.

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  79. “What you think about this topic, whether if its an attempt to rationalize his fear of intimacy or not, has no bearing upon the validity of the underlying facts presented.”

    Oh really, Mr. Smarty Pants? These facts are highly over rated. I don’t know of anyone that spends this much time compiling facts who has an enviable life. Usually they’re studies in human misery though all the facts line up perfectly. Who cares then if they are right? What a waste.

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  80. i have just about everything i want in life, too, in the material, carnal, and social senses. but, whenever i start paying ANY attention AT ALL to the goings-on around me, it takes every ounce of my self-restraint to keep the fires of fury to a controlled burn.

    Agreed 100%

    One of the reasons this blog is a favorite of mine is that the subject of sex, jealousy, love, men, women, etc. is a relief and a distraction from the rage I get whenever I look around or read Larry Auster or others and see how our world and our posterity is deliberately and with impunity (for now) being destroyed by our evil financial and cultural elites.

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  81. “I don’t deny the truth of many of his observations, or I wouldn’t have started reading his blog regularly. I just don’t understand his anger. If he’s telling the truth about himself, and I’ve always assumed that he is, he’s getting all the sexual encounters he wants, and generally under the conditions he imposes. Why the fury? Why the fury from so many of the men who comment? I suppose some of them have been mistreated by women, but many of them don’t appear to have much reason to complain.”

    The answer, clio, is so simple. These men want to be married to a good woman, and none are available.

    Having been married to a great woman, my late wife, I can understand their anger. You cannot believe how nourishing and wonderful it is to be married to a great woman.

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  82. I as a man can not comprehend the anger behind the men here, whether they’re players or married men like PA.

    I thought Clio, Johnny and others have cleared this up already. The anger is not at women or triggered by sexual frustration. It’s an anger that comes in all-too-frequent moments of clarity when we see what’s going on around us.

    However, others did mention the anger that lone beta males feel due to their frustration in the sexual market. I see this too. I have two 30-something low-beta male friends. I often hang out with them at their house to play Rock Band. Fine guys basically. Decent looking, decent jobs, though a layer of celibate bachelorhood did envelop them in a crust of chick-repelling manners and habits.

    I’ll agree that their buried anger is something very different, much more immediate and personal than mine.

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  83. on July 24, 2008 at 7:44 am Steve Johnson

    “These facts are highly over rated… Who cares then if they are right?”

    Knowing things is a good way to make better decisions than not knowing things.

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  84. These men want to be married to a good woman, and none are available.

    Why, so they can directly subsidize the lifestyle of somebody who only married them because H was unavailable? Trust me, as we speak, your wife is secretly desiring an alpha male that she wished she had.

    I have two 30-something low-beta male friends. I often hang out with them at their house to play Rock Band.

    So why are you playing at their house and not at yours? Let me guess, your wife will nag about playing a video game?

    I think your friends are still much better off in the deal. Hell, if they’re smart, they could easily secure a comfortable lifestyle with a nice condo or small home and nice car with enough money for travel, and enough time to entertain friends and family and take part in hobbies.

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  85. on July 24, 2008 at 8:07 am Tupac Chorpa

    @ Clio:

    “It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants.”

    This is quite telling.

    To a *man*, whose sense of justice has been described elsewhere as “tough” and “fair” (meaning: *objective*, irrespective of the hopes, wants or needs of the judge), it matters not how full his belly is, nor how slated his dick-thirst is. He can still see injustice around him and wish for a better world.

    A *woman’s* sense of justice, as has been described elsewhere as “weak” and “capricious”, is *entirely* dependent on her feelings-of-the-moment, and ebbs and flows depending on whether she has her needs — and the needs of her children and immediate family — satisfied. Once those needs are fulfilled, she can quite often simply say, “To hell with the world and everyone else, I gots mine!”, never understanding that such an attitude undermines the very social order that gave rise to her successful position in life in the first place.

    To sum up: Clio’s innocent musings above can better be expressed by the sentiment:

    “There’s no bread? Let them eat cake!!!!”

    TC

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  86. Mormon chicks even have a manual on how to look good.

    There, check it out:

    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/A_manual_of_female_beauty_for_Mormons

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  87. He is a erudite, secular, modern man.

    It probably is astonishing to him, and a lot more of us, that beta-type Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah’s witness, et cetera males are seen out (in my part of the world anyway) with four and five kids and obedient little average-looking-grinning wives.

    I mean, in the genetics olympics, most of these men didn’t finish in the top half of the race, but they bred and passed on their genes much better than most of the “studs” we know and pal around with.

    If we boil it down to numbers, dont count the religious right out in this nation or other nations. They are maintaining their numbers and even increasing them over seculars who look for mates in bars and nightclubs. The Jesus freaks use organizations or online dating sites that cater to their particular denomination of whatever religion. In so many cases they seem to marry so early, that they must have hooked up with their high school sweethearts who were also in the same churches or socializing groups.

    I think of the real “studs” that I know and knew. The best looking-biggest-most athletic men. Its astonishing how so many of “the big guys” have one kid or no kids at all. The biggest pussy-snatcher I knew, a guy who slept with hundreds of women—is childless and is married to a woman who had two kids of her own. The second biggest stud I knew, a large very good looking bodybuilder, has one child and is in his mid-forties now. He will not be having anymore. These guys genes, large bodies, great faces, college educations, verbal fluency, and social skills should have made them the kind of men who bred earliest and most often, but they didn’t. Why?

    The sexual revolution in the West is unprecedented in modern times for certain since at least the Roman Empire. We are still adjusting to it I suppose. I dont think the bars will be empty in 40 years, but the bargoers might not be of the same ethnicities anymore. Secular white birthrates must be below 1.5—–which means the breeding generation gets cut in half every 65 years mathmatically. Look for the bars to be a hell of a lot browner. I suppose the browner men, by strength of their numbers will be the “alpha” males in 25 more years time in the bars and the white seculars will end up breeding in with them (because white females are going to breed with the alpha males—-just like the mystery method pretty much shows you they will—they can’t help it).

    I dont think the church people are going anywhere. They just keep having kids, its about all their religion allows them to do (What in the hell do they do for fun other than play bible trivia in those houses of theirs? They must fuck out of boredom, but I digress). Until the secular find a way to breed more, the political sway of the religious will not dissipate because their numbers dont lessen—-they tend to increase.

    Is “Game” the answer to this? Will game make secular women fall in love long enough to breed with alpha males (or men who emulate alpha behavior)? I dont know, but its probably the best shot weve got.

    My answer would be to mandate joint custody unless the father is REALLY unfit, and give NO CHILD support in cases of joint custody. I’d also cap child support at 1000 a month per child. Women should not “hit the jackpot” by getting knocked up by a guy who pulls 200K a year and get 50K for wetbirthing one bastard for the next 18 years. It shouldn’t be like that. We need to make women NEED men again financially if they want to procreate—–and the way to do that is to END CHILD SUPPORT in cases of joint custody and to END ALIMONY if there are kids involved (to keep her ass from filing). The only women who deserve alimony are women who have been married for 20 years to the same guy who left her for a younger model and she is out of sorts with no job skills and an old visage. -SHE- perhaps deserves some help for a while. As long as their are steep financial consequences for a man in marriage if SHE chooses to end it, men will not be enthusiastic about having kids anymore. So many men who have one kid are afraid to have the second one because his bitchy wife will really have him by the balls then, and they both know it.

    Meanwhile, that church couple down the street that wear clothes out of the 1950’s just had their fifth gangly kid that they will no doubt be teaching creationism too before he gets his first clip-on tie to go hand out gideons bibles in while humming “Onward Christian Soldiers” in.

    We are being defeated and surrounded by what we used to call “nerds”! “Game” is a good socially constructed response by the male half—-but I think it would be much more effective if it recieved some legal help. Women’s “value” could literally be lowered greatly if men recieved a legal fair playing field.

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  88. 39: “This is such generalizing bullshit. If all men really want is sex, there are more than enough women who’ll provide them with it. The problem is, they won’t be hot, nubile, young 9s. That’s really the issue, isn’t it? Not that you can’t get sex, but that you can’t get sex with the women you want.

    To that there’s nothing to say except “Boo freakin’ hoo.” This notion that every guy out there is owed the pick of the litter holds no more water than every woman thinking she deserves the alpha. You’re excoriating women for wanting precisely what you yourselves want.

    And the idea that the vast majority of women are out there just arbitrarily rejecting the waves of suitors constantly approaching them is nothing more than a fantasy you’ve concocted to justify your sense of resentment about not getting everything you think you’re entitled to. Do you even know any regular, not-hot-but-not-ugly-either women? Because it doesn’t sound like it. A lot of us know all about “dry spells”, and it sure as hell ain’t because we’re holding out for some George Clooney clone.”

    Easy there. You are misinterpreting my comments in Post 18. For simplicity’s sake, I said that men are looking for truth and sex. But of course, these aren’t the only things we’re looking for.

    Nowhere did I say that men are just looking for nubile 9s. You are projecting your own hostility, perhaps for being average looking yourself. Men, however, ARE looking for women that are at least as attractive as them (e.g., 6s looking for 6s).

    In fact, men probably shoot for one step up because women claim to not value physical appearance as much.

    Simply put, the anger comes from feeling deceived. Men will say straight up that they want certain physical attributes in women so women should NOT be surprised when they get rejected for not having those attributes. But women claim to want nice guys but then pick guys according to different metrics.

    Also, it is NOT an issue of entitlement. Men who are 6s don’t believe that they are entitled to women who are 9s. But these men do believe that they should get a fair shake at other 6s and maybe even 7s.

    If men had access to the writings of people like CH or the theory of game when they’re 18 instead of learning the hard way through trial and error by their late 20s, there would be a lot less angry men.

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  89. on July 24, 2008 at 8:46 am Tupac Chorpa

    @ Sara #97

    “Who cares then if they are right? What a waste.”

    You keep sticking that head firmly in the sand, dear.

    I just wish you didn’t have the unique ability to simultaneously have your head buried while at the same time shouting to the rest of us your ignorance-begotten, hippy-dippy pseudo-truths.

    TC

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  90. > If men had access to the writings of people like CH or the theory of game when they’re 18 instead of learning the hard way through trial and error by their late 20s, there would be a lot less angry men.

    I read a lot of the ASF stuff back when I was 19 (mid twenties now). It did not help me one bit but then again I am pathologically shy.

    However: A few years later, I find myself using much the same tactics with my gf. But then again, I am naturally a somewhat disconnected person so THAT part is easy to me.

    She’s pissed off? Well, I let her. She’ll come back asking apologetic. Or not, at which point I don’t care too much, either.

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  91. on July 24, 2008 at 9:33 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @97 sara

    “Oh really, Mr. Smarty Pants? These facts are highly over rated. I don’t know of anyone that spends this much time compiling facts who has an enviable life. Usually they’re studies in human misery though all the facts line up perfectly. Who cares then if they are right? What a waste”

    Glad you don’t sit on a jury with that attitude. Clearly facts are not as important to you, as opinion. All the Prosecution has to do is show some emotionally charged photos of a crime scene and you would send a innocent man to death row. (by your logic)

    No prints, no ballistics match, no DNA match, no motive, = no problem. After all just because the all the facts line up perfectly, we can dismiss them as being “highly over rated”.
    Who cares if he is innocent.

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  92. Once those needs are fulfilled, she can quite often simply say, “To hell with the world and everyone else, I gots mine!”,

    Yeah, that’s why women vote for laissez faire and men vote for welfare, foreign aid and “let’s be nice to everyone” PC.

    Uh, what planet do you guys live on? If women are ever a danger to the Western social order, it’s because they want to give everything away for free, to be nice even to obvious enemies and to avoid hurting others’ feelings by actually making value judgements…

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  93. four and five kids and obedient little average-looking-grinning wives.

    The problem is that having kids in that fashion requires giving up the hedonistic lifestyle that we’ve come to enjoy as secularists. Why give up an enjoyable lifestyle if it requires becoming some boring dad in a boring suburb married to a boring sexless wife and taking care of three to five little leeches?

    Trust me, given the immense power of the secular elite, they can easily “wipe” away the proles and their religion if necessary. Our lifestyle will always be alluring enough to entice others to join our “cult”.

    BTW, allegedly, Mormon women are big users of anti-depressants…

    Disclaimer: David Alexander is a practicing Catholic and wanted three to five children at one point in his life, but somehow stumbled upon porn…

    They must fuck out of boredom, but I digress

    I suspect their sex must be pretty boring. No ass to mouth, oral, anal, or hair grabbing… 🙂

    Seriously, aren’t they bored with their basic missionary sex in the dark with the same person for over twenty years? Something must obviously be wrong with them to be content with awful sex…

    Congratulations for spelling Übermensch DA

    A simple wikipedia search can aid in spelling foreign words correctly.

    Seriously, I mean the term loosely primarily because these nations have been able to overcome the basic human state of life being nasty, brutish, and short. Compared to everybody else in the world, the average white person lives the live of a deity.

    Religious girls don’t seem to be any uglier than non-religious girls, at least where I’m at.

    I went to Catholic School here in a suburb of New York City. I can easily assure you that hot girls are not religious, and many of the religious girls rank as 4s and 5s on the CH scale. Unless you luck out with some 16 year old Filipina, you’re stuck with the white girls that nobody else wants.

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  94. im curious to see how many girls have approached him to criticize his blog, then ended up boning

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  95. @81

    LOL!

    But considering that one FemNazi meltdown rebounded into my bedroom (much to my shock at the time) I wouldn’t be shocked if he gets some bedding directly off the site… reverse pyschology, chutzpah effect, etc…

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  96. It’s too late an unreasonable for me to digest all these comments and respond, but I gotta say:

    I’m not there with you on some of this, but I’ll be DAMNED if I don’t see a boatload of ugly ugly TRUTH in this. Devlin may not be right on all counts, but what he’s brining is close enough to home to scare the crap out of some people. Brilliant, and thanks for bringing it up.

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  97. One of my husband’s coworkers has four children, and his wife is a stay at home mom.

    Ah yes, the benefits of a stay at home wife. You get to maintain a job that you hate in order to support the adult and other children back home who really don’t appreciate you. In contrast, when you’re single, you can take bigger risks and move to where you feel happy.

    im curious to see how many girls have approached him to criticize his blog, then ended up boning

    Guys like him support the theory that women only enjoy sex with alpha males. If I had sex with her, she’d fake all of her orgasms regardless of my attempts to be aggressive and masculine.

    I also understand how women from say puberty on spend most of their time rejecting most guys in favor of the Bigshot Alpha.

    Let’s be honest with ourselves. Are you really willing to be some woman’s second best because she couldn’t get the bigshot alpha. Are you willing to degrade yourself and admit that you’re not the best option, but the alternative?

    they tend to profit

    Hope, if you and your boyfriend have 401ks, pensions, stocks, or even a savings account, you’re a beneficiary of the consumerist culture. Where do you think the income from these investment vehicles were coming from, magic fairies? Hell, now that people have ceased spending like they did a year ago, now state governments are unable to pay for their expenditures which means budget cuts for social programs, education, infrastructure, and state funded health care. Ooops.

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  98. DA must be severely retarded. Admission to Catholic schools has nothing to do with being religious.

    No shit, retard. I spent twelve years in Catholic School. As you stated, most Catholic schools have no qualms about the religion of their students as long as their tuition bill is paid. Hell, we had dirty Baptists mucking up our halls only because they paid the damned $5K to show up…

    To reiterate my original point, the religious girls were much uglier than their less religious counterparts. The best looking religious girls would be fives on the list. While for your average god fearing man, he’ll be content with the girls and their lack of sexual attractiveness, but for me, those women are simply unsuitable due to their lack of sexuality and sexual appearance.

    Ive been to Jehova witness prayer houses and Mormon temples

    I attend masses at three different Catholic Churches, and unless you’re interested in under 16 girls, most females around 18-25 in church are victims of the ugly stick.

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  99. 67: “You are projecting your own hostility, perhaps for being average looking yourself.”

    I’m not hostile because I’m a 5 or 6, I’m hostile because the blanket statements here are completely incorrect. 5s & 6s like me are out there, and despite your claims to the contrary, NOBODY is knocking down our doors. I don’t get hit on, ever. I’m not a whale, I’m not disfigured, although I’m average enough to be essentially invisible.

    The theory espoused here that women are constantly turning down men who don’t live up to their criteria is bullshit. It may become true when you’re talking about a specific set of women — say, 7s and above, to use the terminology bandied about here — but for the majority? You can’t be accused of turning down men if they never approach in the first place.

    “Also, it is NOT an issue of entitlement. Men who are 6s don’t believe that they are entitled to women who are 9s.”

    Oh, really? Well, you’re mistaken, and I say that from first-hand experience. The vast majority of men overestimate their appeal, and shoot far, far out of their league, going so far as to be actively hostile to the women they “should” be aiming for, because they think those women are beneath them. And then they get angry when the women they want (who hold out for better because they can) reject them.

    Sure, that sucks. But don’t come start with the whole, “There are no decent women left” rant (which somebody here said, not you) because that’s a steaming pantload. We’re here, and we’re honest & giving & awesome, but we’re not spectacularly hot, so we’re automatically out of the running.

    It’s not that you can’t get your needs met, it’s that you just can’t get everything you want exactly the way you want it. Well, that’s true for most people, of both sexes.

    One question I do have: why are guys going out to bars to troll for women, and then complaining because the only women they find are self-indulgent, amoral & hedonistic? If you really want a wifey, mothery type, why aren’t you looking in places more likely to attract that kind of woman?

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  100. Damned tags.

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  101. on July 24, 2008 at 12:04 pm Glengarry Glenpoon

    Nerdy Voodoo Girls? I can feel a website coming on

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  102. Compared to everybody else in the world, the average whtie person lives the live of a deity.

    Yes, like that woman in Ohio who cleaned my hotel room. Or her laid-off husband. Or that elderly widow with eye cataracts and no health insurance. Or those families in delapidating townhouses in Pennsylvania and Arkansas. What a “whtie people are magical” mentality ‘tard reasoning.

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  103. I think this entire diatribe is your attempt to rationalize your fear of intimacy.

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  104. “I’m not hostile because I’m a 5 or 6, I’m hostile because the blanket statements here are completely incorrect. 5s & 6s like me are out there, and despite your claims to the contrary, NOBODY is knocking down our doors.”

    Maybe I can explain that. Most men are not interested in menopausal or perimenopausal women. So yes, for an average woman over 30 it will be difficult to get married, but she still should have plenty of casual sex offfers until she is 35. Even average women have a lot of power between the ages of 14-24. Another issue is that all women overrate their beauty, so ugly becomes normal, normal becomes cute, cute becomes beautiful and beautiful becomes goddesss.

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  105. on July 24, 2008 at 7:04 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @94 sara

    “I think this entire diatribe is your attempt to rationalize your fear of intimacy.”

    What you think about this topic, whether if its an attempt to rationalize his fear of intimacy or not, has no bearing upon the validity of the underlying facts presented.

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  106. 112: “Maybe I can explain that. Most men are not interested in menopausal or perimenopausal women.”

    OK, but we weren’t talking about them.

    “Even average women have a lot of power between the ages of 14-24.”

    Again, the experience of average women suggest this is a lot less true than you’re asserting. The men here vastly overestimate the power wielded by the majority of women. I’m not talking about the stunning elite, but the unremarkable-looking (but otherwise very desirable as companions) majority.

    Your fanatical devotion to it aside, Gannon, mere youth alone is really not enough to have the mens come flocking.

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  107. “Another issue is that all women overrate their beauty, so ugly becomes normal, normal becomes cute, cute becomes beautiful and beautiful becomes goddesss.”

    And men do exactly the same thing wrt their own appeal! Yet somehow it’s only the women who are faulted for it. Why?

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  108. @5

    yes, men may very well tend to be more rational than woman, but don’t go patting yourself on the back just yet. all that means is that men tend to adhere to some sort of rules based logic whereas women tend to rely more heavily on feelings and intuition.

    the problem is that being rational is no promise to being reasonable. in fact, men often use rationale as an excuse to be incredibly unreasonable. we are much more prone to that popeye mentality of “i am what i am.”

    in general, men want to be “right” and women want things to be “right”. this tells us nothing. the real issue is to what informs the judgment about “right” in the first place.

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  109. 107: “I’m not hostile because I’m a 5 or 6, I’m hostile because the blanket statements here are completely incorrect. 5s & 6s like me are out there, and despite your claims to the contrary, NOBODY is knocking down our doors. I don’t get hit on, ever. I’m not a whale, I’m not disfigured, although I’m average enough to be essentially invisible.

    The theory espoused here that women are constantly turning down men who don’t live up to their criteria is bullshit. It may become true when you’re talking about a specific set of women — say, 7s and above, to use the terminology bandied about here — but for the majority? You can’t be accused of turning down men if they never approach in the first place.”

    I understand what you’re saying and I appreciate the honest self-assessment. I agree with Gannon’s statement that women overestimate their beauty but then again, perhaps men do as well. But this gets us nowhere.

    Have you tried approaching men? My guess is that if you put yourself out there sexually, men would respond. If you’re looking for a relationship, which I assume you are, then men raise their standards a little more. My suggestion would be to exhaust all methods to improve your appearance (I am assuming that your personality is fine), approach men first, and change your standards if possible (e.g., if you prefer guys 5’10” and taller, give the 5’7″ guy a chance or if you prefer white men, open yourself up to other races).

    “One question I do have: why are guys going out to bars to troll for women, and then complaining because the only women they find are self-indulgent, amoral & hedonistic? If you really want a wifey, mothery type, why aren’t you looking in places more likely to attract that kind of woman?”

    Guys go to bars to troll for women because (1) there aren’t that many options for meeting people when you’re a working professional; (2) they have the dual goals of looking to hooking up as well as find suitable long-term partners (we all want filet mignon but when you’re starving you need the Swanson’s Hungryman microwave meal sometimes); and (3) places with alcohol tend to attract women who enjoy a drink and can let loose every once in a while. Ultimately, guys want a respectable attractive woman who can be dirty in private. Everything else being equal, you’re more likely to find them at bars and other social gatherings than at, say, book club gatherings. Also, men seek instant gratification. If you’re hungry, you’ll unfortunately go to the fast food restaurant and not the organic farm to watch the free range chicken get butchered.

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  110. 114: “And men do exactly the same thing wrt their own appeal! Yet somehow it’s only the women who are faulted for it. Why?”

    Men may overrate their own appeal but in my honest opinion, I think women do this to a greater extent. Note all the euphemisms that women use to describe being overweight (curvy, BBW, HWP, etc.). If women would just give their height and weight, men can figure out the rest.

    Even assuming that both sexes overestimate their attractiveness, women are faulted for it more because physical attractiveness is unfortunately what defines them predominantly.

    Men first look for beauty and when there’s a bait and switch, they want to seek blame. Women seek beauty but also confidence, ambition, and generosity so when men misrepresent themselves in the looks department, there’s slightly less resentment. If men misrepresent their financial status and personality, then they get faulted accordingly.

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  111. on July 24, 2008 at 2:53 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    113 Anonymous

    “Your fanatical devotion to it aside, Gannon, mere youth alone is really not enough to have the mens come flocking.”

    Unfortunately, you are correct. She can be 15-16 year old, but if she has leg braces, is in a wheelchair, is morbidly obese, etc. she will not appeal to the visual cortex and pleasure center synapses of a male’s brain.

    A sixteen year old “3” is going to be passed over for a thirty-two year old Perfect Ten, almost every time. Exceptions being paraphilia sufferers such as “ephebophiles”.

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  112. Men may overrate their own appeal but in my honest opinion, I think women do this to a greater extent. Note all the euphemisms that women use to describe being overweight (curvy, BBW, HWP, etc.). If women would just give their height and weight, men can figure out the rest.

    I’ve read that a euphemism that some men use in personals ads, when they’re a bit pudgy and soft, is – of all things – “swimmer’s build.” Of course it makes no logical sense, as competitive swimmers are extremely fit.

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  113. Praise these truthful words and let us preach them to the great unwashed.

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  114. Actually, I made the assertions about 7’s and above rejecting men en masse directly and by implication. Weekly observation confirms this insane irrational behavior at all levels indicated.

    Conversely, I made no assertion about 6’s and below. Let me make that now: I concur, that essentially noone is banging the 6’s and below.

    The simple truth is that in the present market the sexual value of a 6 and below is nil to most players. The poster who is “average enough to be invisible” has nothing but her hypergamy sisters to thank for that. (And the irrational men of equal status chasing women out of their league.) Against a normal backdrop she would have been visible (The Good Woman effect), but the current hypersexual environment drowns her out. She must now choose whether to accept the state of affairs or to enhance herself, her value and compete by broadening/changing her market appeal.

    Again, people don’t understand distributions. A little over half of humanity in both sexes is a 7 or better. (It used to be much more. E.g. There were no fat girls in my graduating class of high school oh so many years ago.) So yes, the majority of women engage in rejection en masse to their detriment.

    Too many women (and men) chasing the elite has raised the price of said elite while devalueing everyone else. As a member of said elite I clearly benefit. When I walk into a hunting ground with a Hotts™ on my arm, I am seeding further Hotts™ interest in me. The competition amongst the KittyKats for me as a desirable target has more than once brought an opening with women who would not consider me otherwise. Thus, I prosper disproportionally relative to my beta brothers.

    Before the current sexual derailment, the plain vanilla woman could still have aspired to marrying up a little as well having a handful of lovers. I concur, again, for that segment of femaledom we are looking at an arid wasteland, caused by the shifting (and irrational) target preferences.

    Please remember that when I use the word irrational I am using it from a wide-scope accounting of life perspective. Not the evolutionary pyschology or even market dynamics perspective which clearly predict the current morass. Fact is that it’s the 21st century but men and women have gone pri-mative on us in a short-term decision-making frenzy that is going to leave of us with hell-to-pay situation and in the worst case, a violence-backlash against women scenario.

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  115. El Guapo: what’s your benchmark for a 6, assuming a woman in her 20s:

    Pretty and in a decent shape, but not a head-turner?

    Or am I describing a 7?

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  116. 50 year potential sentence for child support default:
    http://www.wiscnews.com/pdr/news/295894

    Palimony does not require residency of girlfriend:
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/06/nj_supreme_court_rules_that_co.html

    Go to Glenn Sacks’ blog for more reality education:

    http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/

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  117. One man who probably agrees with him about divorce is English businessman Gary Dean who has just handed over nearly seven million dollars to his ex-wife (plus jewellery, cars and houses).
    Gary was so affected by the experience, he set up his own website to lay out the facts.
    It is here at http://deandivorce.com/

    Instructional!

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  118. JR @ 115

    You’ve got it exactly right.

    However, the great advantage with men is that they are more persuadable by evidence than women are. They can better learn and adapt.

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  119. The Garbage Generation
    By Daniel Amneus

    http://www.fisheaters.com/garbagegeneration.html

    “In the Matriarchal System the reproductive unit consists of the mother and her offspring, the father playing a marginal role, wandering into and out of the “family,” subject to dismissal at the mother’s bidding. The central fact about this kind of family is its naturalness. Roman jurists spoke of maternity as a natural fact, “natura verum,” and of paternity as merely a matter of civil law. “In all but a few species,” writes Sarah Hardy, “females are permanent residents in social groups, males mere transients.” This is the reproductive arrangement of all lower mammals. It has been the reproductive arrangement of the human race itself until recently. Its biological backup is awesome–what Margaret Mead meant by saying the female role is a “biological fact.”

    It is the reproductive pattern which re-emerges in times of social catastrophe. When men are killed on battlefields or cast into prisons, female-headed families carry on. When there is divorce, the mother takes custody of the children. When ghetto males sit on curbsides and get stoned, ghetto females and children stay home and watch T.V. The matriarchal family may result from catastrophe, but it may also result from doing nothing, from biological and social drifting. It is always on standby, always waiting to resurface and re-establish itself. It is what society lapses into when the upkeep and maintenance of the patriarchal system is neglected. It is the pattern which is re-emerging at the present time under the aegis of the feminist/sexual revolution.

    It is the pattern found in surviving Stone Age societies. A 19th century German ship’s doctor described the situation in the German African colony of Cameroon thus:

    With a large number of tribes, inheritance is based on maternity. Paternity is immaterial. Brothers and sisters are only the children of one mother. A man does not bequeath his property to his children, but to the children of his sister, that is to say, to his nephews and nieces, as his nearest demonstrable blood relatives. A chief of the Way people explained to me in horrible English: “My sister and I are certainly blood relatives, consequently her son is my heir; when I die, he will be the king of my town.” “And your father?” I inquired. “I don’t know what that means, ‘my father,’ answered he. Upon my putting to him the question whether he had no children, rolling on the ground with laughter, he answered that, with them, men have no children, only women. ”

    The Feminist Utopia, and a glimpse of the future America.

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  120. “hate is as natural as love, clio.”

    Love and hate are often the same thing.

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  121. “Have you tried approaching men? My guess is that if you put yourself out there sexually, men would respond.”

    Yes, the only logical thing to do is take the initiative. And I have done, with varying degrees of success. The major relationships I’ve been in have been the result of doing the approaching, not waiting around to be approached.

    “If you’re looking for a relationship, which I assume you are, then men raise their standards a little more. My suggestion would be to exhaust all methods to improve your appearance (I am assuming that your personality is fine), approach men first, and change your standards if possible (e.g., if you prefer guys 5′10″ and taller, give the 5′7″ guy a chance or if you prefer white men, open yourself up to other races).”

    While I appreciate the advice, I’m actually not looking for a relationship, having had one end badly not too long ago. No, I don’t have height standards (and I don’t know what the prejudice is against short guys, but I’m on the short side myself so I’m not a good judge.) I’ve dated outside my race and would again; I’ve been open to all walks of life/education, although my experience has been that men have serious problems with their women making more money than they do. (No, I’m not a lawyer. That a man is gainfully employed enough to support himself, and that he’s not mired in debt — those are my only financial requirements.)

    But this is not about getting me a date. My original point was, it’s not nearly as easy for women as you seem to think it is. Anyone who thinks we get a free pass simply by having vaginas is deluded.

    “Ultimately, guys want a respectable attractive woman who can be dirty in private. Everything else being equal, you’re more likely to find them at bars and other social gatherings than at, say, book club gatherings. Also, men seek instant gratification. If you’re hungry, you’ll unfortunately go to the fast food restaurant and not the organic farm to watch the free range chicken get butchered.”

    I question the logic of looking for respectability in this way, but then I was thinking in terms of those comments that bemoan the lack of meek, nurturing, wholesome potential mothers. There’s no point going to a fast food restaurant and then complaining that it’s not filet mignon. But I see your point about instant gratification. It’s just that you don’t see that distinction being made here that much, only the rallying cry of “The women I sleep with are such sluts! Where are all the nice girls? Better go overseas to find a wholesome woman.” Or maybe save yourself the plane fare and make a concerted effort to look somewhere other than bars. Just a thought.

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  122. 103 SAM

    “All the Prosecution has to do is show some emotionally charged photos of a crime scene and you would send a innocent man to death row. (by your logic)”

    I find your extrapolation hilarious. Some here are just bound and determined to paint me as an evil minded, heartless, soulless viper. The truth of who I am is so far from that. #1 I am completely against the death penalty under any and all circumstances. Death is a reward, not a punishment. Remember I don’t believe in your burning hell fires of eternal damnation. Quite the contrary. I do believe by your logic, I’m already doomed to that fate, speaking of sending someone to “death row”. You and I are world’s apart. If we were kids in the same family our mother would simply separate us. * smile *

    83 Animus

    “I’m not there with you on some of this, but I’ll be DAMNED if I don’t see a boatload of ugly ugly TRUTH in this”

    The truth is beautiful, pristine, frees you! This ugliness you find is not truth. It’s just an endless analytical circle. A dog chasing his own tail. If any truth comes out from the analysis it is in spite of it, not because of it.

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  123. @123 Your Mileage May Vary:

    A 6 is weight-proportionate to height, can wear a non-thong bikini comfortably at the beach, bodyfat level is high but not sliding yet towards chubby, body symmetry is ok, waist-to-hip ratio is minimum acceptable for hourglass effect, facial symmetry ok — no high cheekbones or standout features. A sure fire giveaway of a 6 is also what she does with her hair. Not competing on looks, she will typically have a practical (read: short) no fuss-no muss hairdo.

    A 7 is already beginning to display competitive assets. Men will agree that facial features are pretty, she is carrying smooth pleasant bodyfat, her body symmetry is good, waist-to-hip is better than a 6-above, hourglass effect is fully evident, hair is typically a mane or something clever and sexy as a cost-effective strategy of trying to get men to think she’s an 8 when she dresses up. On occasion, men will glance up to check her out.

    An 8 has competitive assets. She is pretty. Period. She will turn a few heads. Her proportions approach the ideal. She is slender without being skinny or she is athletic or toned. Bodyfat is smooth but tending towards lean. Narrow waist, trim hips, firm ass. Will wear a thong bottom at all the right times (Cabo, your bedroom, etc) Short skirts work for her. Higher symmetry chest and breasts and good facial features. Hair is now an integral asset and will be used to enhance her maximally.

    A 9 is lean without showing muscle cuts. Symmetry is almost perfect. Each bodypart and facial feature could standalone and be claimed to be perfect. Narrow waist, trim hips, a real tight-end to bubble-butt, great legs. Typically a 9 is not a 10 because the composition of the whole is lacking somehow. Like torso to legs ratio is off. Hair — the mane of hair is there. Long and flowing. Grooming is a mission in life.

    A 10 — Perfect symmetry in body and facial features. Full development in T&A. Typically taller. Typically slender. Always lean. Athletic variant will show muscle-based curves. She will carry her hair as long as conceivably practical. Make sure she starts getting ready 2 hours before you leave for the movie… it takes effort to max effect a 10’s looks.

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  124. I would say basically the discontent is from a form of mismatching or breaking rapport, with male sexuality as the unwanted, unruly, disruptive force. For example, I live in a tourist destination which is primarily devoted to consumption and excess, thus most of the privileged out-and-about are engaged in shopping, dining, and other commercial activity. My rolling up to engage in conversation is sometimes experienced as a disruption in the orderly routine of someone with a lot more social and economic options than me. (She is, after all, out at 3:30pm on a weekday to buy an iPhone, hence either a trust-fund baby or tourist hipster, whereas I’m a glorified librarian and male schoolmarm who has rushed out to the mall after class.)

    It’s probably a sampling error brought on by the fact that I approach too infrequently, too hesitantly, in short I am well aware of the MASSIVE amount of work I have to do in being a well-adjusted social being. But really, with other options occluded by the monism of modern social life, with seemingly everyone being on the way to doing something else elsewhere instead of socializing, or the status-games of bars, I have to adapt.

    Lastly, for better or worse, I’m remarkably flexible on the issue of female appearance, if only because I’m looking for an overall sort of pair-bonding. I find that women who have been tracked into the “smart” professions (as opposed to the “pretty” ones) have an almost different way-of-being in the world. I don’t know. I have a magnetic effect on “invisble” women from time to time, but seem almost unnoticeable myself–unless I step over and initiate contact.

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  125. Gracias.

    If you also write benchmarks for 1-5 (excluding abnormalities, disfigurements, and old age for the low numbers) you’ll have made a nice contribution.

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  126. Guapo- I don’t know. Roosh maintains that there are no true 10’s, only 9’s that really blow it out in the getting done up department.

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  127. it seems that anonymous is suffering, in part, from what would be called beta behavior. the only reason a man would care about a woman making more money than him is because he is insecure. and if that is the case, then you could make a very compelling argument that game-type behavior benefits men and women alike.

    of course, we could all probably do with a little less of the… well, for lack of a better word misogyny that seems to come out in some of the comments.

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  128. 103 SAM

    Lest you think I’m incapable of logical thought or don’t appreciate it, consider that my favorite philosopher is Socrates. Also I was a computer programmer for 10 years and (this is really dating me!) specialized in Assembler Language programming. A skill I was uniquely able to perform over 99% of my coworkers virtually guaranteeing my job security. In college I earned a 3.8 grade point average and a 4.0 in calculus, symbolic logic, and my programming classes. So I’m no dummy, speaking of smarty pants. I just don’t find all this ad nauseam analysis appropriate to the “truths” that are being sought. It’ s just my opinion. I would sooner confer with philosophical/spiritual masters (including Jesus, but many of the greatest are more obscure) on advice for how to succeed in my personal life.

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  129. It is interesting how neatly Clio’s contributions fit in with one predictable female behaviour.

    Instead of contributing to the subject and joining in the discussion she resorts to questioning his motives, casting aspersions on his lifestyle and mental health.

    In short, thinly-veiled deep personalised abuse – This is standard female operating behaviour whenever a chat gets too close to the truth for comfort.

    You see it among fishwives, you see it among secretaries-all women do it. It is an instinctive and evolved way of shutting men up and is part of the “nagging” form of verbal aggression.

    In men’s rights circles this is called using “shaming” language.

    Clio’s contributions are good examples of that female passive-aggressive speciality – vicious disparagement masquarading as reasonableness.

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  130. “My original point was, it’s not nearly as easy for women as you seem to think it is. Anyone who thinks we get a free pass simply by having vaginas is deluded.”

    I don’t think I claimed that women get a free pass or that it’s easy for women to get men. I was answering why there is a general level of frustration among men. If I were to make any comparative analysis between men and women, I would still say that men have it relatively harder (until applying “game”) because they were not privy to what women really wanted.

    Men were led to believe that women wanted nice guys but sociological data from online dating (see e.g., http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/single-female-seeking-same-race-male/) confirms that in private, women discriminate based on race significantly more so than men and are very picky about height.

    Women can say “Oh, he’s too short for me” and no one would give it a second thought. If men say, “Oh, she’s too fat for me” he would be scored by everyone within earshot.

    Interestingly enough, I think women have attained a level of equality in today’s society that allows them to be more brutally honest and superficial about what they want. This honesty, while painful for men in the short term, is much appreciated later on. That’s why you hear men complain about women who let guys down easily for fear of hurting their feelings. Men appreciate the bandaid being pulled off quickly.

    “There’s no point going to a fast food restaurant and then complaining that it’s not filet mignon. But I see your point about instant gratification.”

    Perhaps the better analogy would have been a food court. We go there knowing that there’s enough options so that if couldn’t find something good, there’s always a Panda Express or Subways. But we look around hoping to find a diamond in the rough as well. Finding a meek wifey girl is like eating leftover meatloaf at home. Hardy and providing sustenance but always a last resort option. I like spicy food!

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  131. Here’s my 5-10 scale, which is more subjective.

    5 — general indifference, no feelings of attraction or repulsion (average DC girl)

    6 — elicits any minimal amount of positive reaction but there is doubt caused by some feature/s (hair, height, weight, face, body, tone, skin, age, etc.) (those girls described as “cute”)

    7 — general feelings of significant attraction with less doubts and caution

    8 — instant attraction confirmed by the approval of many other men, though some men may find flaws

    9 — general consensus by all men that she’s hot. No negatives to speak of. (Kate Beckinsale)

    10 — a hypothetical that doesn’t exist because no woman is perfect

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  132. 137 anon

    “Interestingly enough, I think women have attained a level of equality in today’s society that allows them to be more brutally honest and superficial about what they want.”

    This is where women are becoming pseudo men. They are under the extreme misconception that equality means “same”. They have lost their femininity; hence the superficial/phony nature of many women today. They have reacted to their perceived domination by men and have become petty tyrants themselves, then wonder why men just use and discard them.

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  133. A 9 is lean without showing muscle cuts … Grooming is a mission in life.

    Yeah, I can imagine what sort of grooming :((((

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  134. 137: “I don’t think I claimed that women get a free pass or that it’s easy for women to get men.” I didn’t mean to suggest that you, specifically, did. But that is what’s been implied in an overwhelming number of comments here, in most of the threads. I am neglectful in maintaining the accuracy of my pronouns.

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  135. I have come into contact with the 10’s, and the good news is that they are as vulnerable to Game Method(s) as any other woman. The bad news, the massive number of options at their disposal works against you.

    Absolutely right. I had my first taste of dating a 10 recently. (Life is good.) They may get interested in you, but even if your game is way above most men’s, they can still capriciously blow you off without much consequence to themselves.

    I myself don’t go for the made up look. For me the true test of a 10 is how they look in simple, though well cut, clothes with no make-up. For example, two of my favourites, Adriana Lima and Maggie Rizer, look, to my eye, much better without make-up than with. Check out these photos:



    It is true that Adriana’s eyes pop out a bit more with make-up, but it obscures the adorable little curves of her cheekbones and nose.

    Also, the more make-up the higher the bitch shield (and the more high maintenance), so why bother with them, when the naturals are both nicer and, to me, more attractive. Still, even the natural 10s require a really high level of game to keep things going. A lot more than I’ve got at the moment apparently.

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  136. Breaking News!!!

    Digital enhancement is being used to restore the Glorious Natural Pelt!!

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  137. on July 24, 2008 at 5:21 pm Patrick Bateman

    This is where women are becoming pseudo men. They are under the extreme misconception that equality means “same”. They have lost their femininity; hence the superficial/phony nature of many women today. They have reacted to their perceived domination by men and have become petty tyrants themselves, then wonder why men just use and discard them.

    Did I just agree with sara?

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  138. 145 P.B.

    “Did I just agree with sara?”

    God help you!

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  139. “confirms that in private, women discriminate based on race significantly more so than men and are very picky about height.”

    And this differs from being picky about a 5 vs a 10…how, exactly?

    I’m not being deliberately obtuse, but people want different things, and ultimately, they want what they want. They’re still not entitled to get what they want.

    Women do want nice guys — but they may not always be the women the guys want to want nice guys. Most men claim to want a reasonably attractive girl who’s a decent person, but high-maintenance bitches still flourish and prosper, so it’s not as if we women don’t feel hoodwinked, too. That’s still no excuse to run roughshod over people who haven’t harmed you yet.

    The problem (as has been stated here) is that women want the alpha males. But men want the alpha females (for want of a better term), too! So a large contingent of both sexes is not going to get what they want. So…either change your lot in life, or else modify your expectations and find a way to cope.

    (If “women” in the context of this blog actually refers only to 7s and above, then come up with a term to make that distinction and dissenters like me will pipe right down and bugger right off. But it’s impossible to remain silent when comments here damn all women for the actions of a few.)

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  140. on July 24, 2008 at 5:34 pm Patrick Bateman

    Roosh had a post on the 1-10 scale

    http://www.rooshv.com/2007/the-1-10-scale

    I give his 7 a 6
    His 8 is a 7.5-8 to me
    and his 9 is a 7 to me

    I usually prefer dark brunettes.

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  141. kick a bitch

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  142. “And this differs from being picky about a 5 vs a 10…how, exactly?”

    You’re missing the point. Men have never denied that they want the 10 over the 5. But women deny, or at least dissemble, their interest in superficial traits.

    This goes back to the original argument — that men are angry because there is a dissonance between what women want and what women claim to want.

    But you’re right that when we refer to “men” and “women,” we refer to those men and women who are at or above our self-perceived attractiveness level. But because women supposedly value superficial beauty less, men are led to believe that they can attain women who are one or two levels above them.

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  143. Wow, great thread. In the sense of revealing. I think what’s actually going on is the general spread of totally individualist consumer values, which lead people to view each other as nothing but sources of pleasure, and to be furious when other people don’t come through in supplying everything we want at all times. Men and women are both vulnerable to this. Men’s rage is going to be more naked because it’s testosterone-fueled, women’s a little more sly and articulate, but the sense of individual entitlement and disappointment when it’s not satisfied is similar.

    When evo-bio illuminates women’s nature as the rather unpleasant, narcissisitic, uncaring thing it is, it actually hurts the feelings of idealistic young men who’ve been internalizing women’s own placement of themselves on the pedestal of virtue, caring and selflessness.

    At the end of the day, men and women aren’t really all that different, but women do much better PR than men do.

    Also, I have to point out that divorce rates are plunging among the better-educated. Divorce rates among college-educated Americans are now lower than they were in 1970s. Many, many people are seeing the issues and problems with the individualist sexual market and responding to it by actually going our and creating good marriages themselves. Of course, they’re probably too busy to comment on dating sites.

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  144. anon:
    im curious to see how many girls have approached him to criticize his blog, then ended up boning

    you’d be surprised.
    or maybe not.

    ps: clio wept.

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  145. Divorce rates among college-educated Americans are now lower than they were in 1970s.

    Marriage among this group is getting later and later. These people are too old, ugly, and tired to break up their marriages. So, don’t be too self congratualtory.

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  146. @140

    to use a term like “systematic deception” is to belie a lack of the essential piece of knowledge that this is, in fact, a “game”. when allen iverson fakes left, only to blow past a defender to the right, he is most certainly guilty of deception. the only person, however, who is going to hate him for it is the now posterized defender. if women continually deceive you, perhaps its time to start blaming yourself for not getting it.

    one of the reasons that i have such a fondness for economics and evolutionary biology/psychology is that they both understand the importance of signalling. the things that people do and say are almost never meant to achieve the ends they overtly claim to be after.

    the twenty-something female who posts an online dating ad, and takes great pains to point out her proper progressive credentials by mentioning her commitment to “social justice” and “equality” and explicitly stating that she doesn’t want to hear from anyone who is a “racist” or “intolerant”, is really looking for the tall, cute, white boy from a top-ranked college who shares her fuzzy, and somewhat misguded, view of the world.

    so what? we’re all hypocrites on some level. only the clinically insane are a hundred percent honest all the time. either find a girl who is looking for what you already have or learn to play the game and send the signals that attract the girls you want.

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  147. Oh boy. In response to @133, Western Civ as contextual standard (YMMV in South America/Africa) and fat is the prime culprit and the enemy of the lower echelon woman:

    A 1 is morbidly obese by mass and has trouble ambulating. Medical emergency.

    A 2 is severely obese by mass, resembles the Michelin Man, still ambulates well, medical catastrophe waiting to happen.

    A 3 is fully obese by mass. Waist-to-hip ratio is soaring well-over 1.2 Symmetry of body parts is obliterated by visual cylinder and sag gravity effects. Michelin Man effect begins with rolls of fat… Facial symmetry now suffers by exaggerated facial fat pads. Body odor common.

    A 4 is no longer height-to-weight proportionate. She is clearly fat and begins doing the rotund-ball effect. waist-to-hip is/may be 1. She is obese by mass (absolute fat level) and obese by muscle-to-fat ratio. Symmetry is a mere echo of the skeleton. Facial symmetry may still be intact but is suffering. Hair invariably short.

    A 5 may be height-to-weight proportionate to over-weight though not unpleasantly so, but symmetry suffers, waist-to-hip ratio is moving towards .9, facial features are plain but intact, bodyfat level is out of whack — the whole “a little extra padding” non-sequiter rationalization. She may or may not be obese by mass, but is certainly obese by muscle-to-fat ratio. Hair is cut short to enhance facial features and frame the face. Cannot comfortably wear any bikini.

    ***

    One thing that I implying with this exposition is that most women, if they can create and maintain a slender and fit figure, can set the floor of female beauty at 6. Right now the floor is sitting somewhere between 3 or 4 as the obesity epidemic rolls across the Americas….

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  148. And whiskey; gotta say I agree with you. The reason Palestine is such a powder keg is because of all of the young men without jobs or sexual access. Why else does the plethora of virgins appeal so much?

    But the question is: What do we do about it? How do we raise female awareness of the growing backlash from the priced-out market segment?

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  149. @158

    First, make them value producers — get them jobs and savings so that they could fill the basic provider role by providing a non-terrorist government that enforces rule of law, property rights and sanctity of contract.

    Then get them girls by encouraging migration to the stable Palestine.

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  150. I think what’s actually going on is the general spread of totally individualist consumer values, which lead people to view each other as nothing but sources of pleasure, and to be furious when other people don’t come through in supplying everything we want at all times. Men and women are both vulnerable to this. Men’s rage is going to be more naked because it’s testosterone-fueled, women’s a little more sly and articulate, but the sense of individual entitlement and disappointment when it’s not satisfied is similar.

    This. Quoted for truth.

    If women are ever a danger to the Western social order, it’s because they want to give everything away for free, to be nice even to obvious enemies and to avoid hurting others’ feelings by actually making value judgements…

    This is in line with most normal women’s mentality and behavior, that of being nice (even to enemies), to be nurturing and giving (donating things, giving things for free), and to avoid hurting others’ feelings. These are cherished traits in the private sphere, particularly in a wife or mother, but in the public sphere these attributes are less than desirable and are more than often terrible.

    The public sphere rightfully belongs to men and their sharply discerning, testosterone-heavy and fiercely competitive spirits. But men are becoming more feminized, and women are becoming more masculinized. This results in a society that is essentially neutered (cannot properly produce the next generation). In some ways, men without children are worse than women without children, as such men have little concern with larger society (during invasions, home or country variety, men with children will aggressively defend). They have even less to lose.

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  151. @161
    “But men are becoming more feminized, and women are becoming more masculinized. This results in a society that is essentially neutered (cannot properly produce the next generation). ”

    don’t forget that there are parts of our society that show the exact opposite movement, but with the same results. among the underclass, some men are getting more masuline. they don’t settle down to raise a family, but rather spend their lives hustling and in and out of jail. the result is women raising families by themselves.

    i have a friend who teaches junior high school english in the bronx and he says almost everything they write about themslves is focused on their deadbeat dads. there was a point where single mothers went out of their way to shield their kids from this negative views of their fathers, but apparently those days are over.

    the masculine and the feminine have to balance each other out; they need to be complimentary otherwise society starts to fall apart.

    perhaps dave chapelle put it best when he said, “if a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldn’t buy a house”

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  152. “Divorce rates among college-educated Americans are now lower than they were in 1970s.”

    Divorce rates overall have gone down a bit in the last twenty years, but this has nothing to do with people seeing the problems with the “individualist” sexual marketplace. As Thursday pointed out, the increasing age of marriage has to be taken into account. Although being too old and ugly to have much bargaining power in a second try in the sexual marketplace doesn’t stop most people (or I should say females) from untying the knot (inflated self-perceptions, self-deception, shortsightedness), as Devlin discusses.

    Divorce rates are lower among the “college-educated” (really though, the upper middle class is a more accurate description) partly because they’re less likely to be hit with more extreme economic hardship and/or sudden loss of status that indirectly ruins marriages. Women (even in those religious families that were being discussed; evangelical Christians get divorced as much as everyone else, although they do marry more/younger) rarely tolerate men as husbands if they demonstrate no upward mobility. The increase in women-dominated service and admin jobs and decrease in stable manufacturing and industrial jobs increases divorce all else equal. But all else is not equal, since an underemployed man just doesn’t have the same chance of marrying as his clone in the ’70s or ’80s.

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  153. the masculine and the feminine have to balance each other out; they need to be complimentary otherwise society starts to fall apart.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_yang

    “The Yin (feminine) and yang (masculine) aspects are in dynamic equilibrium. As one aspect declines, the other increases to an equal degree.”

    Men’s masculinity declines because the civilization settles down, and so masculine men can’t really succeed anymore. Men’s natures are too aggressive and violent for the “civility” of polite society and “servility” of the workplace. For women, civilization is where they prosper, and their natural falling in with the established order allows them to advance farther in modern workplaces, up to a point.

    among the underclass, some men are getting more masuline. they don’t settle down to raise a family, but rather spend their lives hustling and in and out of jail.

    They are not any more masculine than men who used to hunt live animals or war in old tribal groups. In modern civilization, they have no good or useful outlets for their aggressive behavior. All outlets of violence demand strict obedience to the established order (military, manual labor work, etc.), and any man who steps out of line must be banished.

    America is a recently settled frontiers society, and so in many rural “flyover” places, traditional, tough masculinity often still prevails. But in metropolitan areas the situation becomes much like ancient Greek city-states and Rome (which were eventually overrun by barbarian invaders). Since more and more people are living in more concentrated population centers rather than small villages, people’s mentality must necessarily be different.

    As societies settle down, they become more oppressive in an attempt to keep the violent, testosterone-driven nature of men in check. More masculine behavior from women is not threatening, because as stated previously women will never band together to rebel or enact brutal warfare. It has been, and will always be, young, testosterone-laden men who fight in wars.

    The current power structure does not wish to be replaced. Men becoming feminized is useful, because such men are able put up with the greater oppression. Prima facie submissive behavior is required from men to maintain social order, and it was only a matter of time before this behavior was turned into internal docility. This internalization is great for men who keep a job, but turns off most women who are still feminine and thrive on the masculine men who complement them.

    Thousands of years of civilization, even through war and conquest, is partly why Asian men are more feminine than western men, and why African men have the highest levels of testosterone. It is social engineering on a massive historical scale. Biology is powerful, but it still bows to human machinations.

    Time to face the music. We are all domesticated homo sapiens.

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  154. Guys, has it ever occured to you that your biases influence the kind of women you end up dating?

    Like, I’ve known many guys with money who’ve believed that money is the only thing that interests women. Those guys are always complaining about the golddiggers they date. If you think that women only want money and ooze that attitude, it’s a turnoff to women who aren’t golddiggers. So, they only ever end up dating golddiggers and reinforcing their belief.

    If you’re too convinced that women are narcissistic, you’re going to drive away the women who aren’t.

    (I’m probably doing the opposite…)

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  155. Clio wept? Over the “girls” who approach you? Pas de tout. I have no wish to be scrutinized for wrinkles or fat-pockets. If others are brave/silly enough to risk it, good luck to ’em, I say.

    To paraphrase, who sleeps with the Devil must find a big bed…

    clio

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  156. No sane man likes killing, it is the most disgusting thing imaginable.

    This is true. However, it is an onerous task that men are more suited to perform. Hence, men do like the idea of killing, and some enjoy fighting and maiming. This is seen in the types of entertainment men often prefer (aggressive sports, shooter games, bloody films, etc.).

    On occasion men are provoked to feelings of wanting valor and glory, which they are starved for in modern civilizations. The movie 300 did not appeal to so many because it depicts the indiscriminate killings of a band of psychopaths, but because it extols the virtues of courage, honor, self-sacrifice, physical and mental masculinity, defending the homeland, and protecting the family (a virtuous wife and a good son). I was stirred by it.

    Lesson: a society that does not value its warriors will be destroyed by one that does.

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  157. @160: I meant more like North American culture. Here, it’s not about being a sufficient provider. Honestly, I don’t see a good answer. Obviously, we need some sort of system that assures that high percentages of people have their emotional and physical needs met. Return to the traditional family is the obvious answer, but this just seems too paleo-conservative and to be honest I like the relative freedom I have now. What’s the other option? Sexual communism? I’m too individualist to accept forced redistribution models. However I would like to point out the extreme irony for a moment that radical socialists often level the charge of materialism at their capitalist counterparts, but by and large socialists are only concerned with material needs. Is not emotional and sexual poverty just as critical as material poverty?

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  158. Legalize prostitution.

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  159. on July 24, 2008 at 8:56 pm Patrick Bateman

    Is returning to the traditional family really the answer? It may be the answer for dad types, but many of us come from backgrounds where male monogamy was never the standard. My paternal ancestors had a single wife and family they invested heavily in, but they also fathered children with other women and diverted some resources to those children. Other men spread their seed indiscriminately and never look back to see how their chilren are doing (Obama).

    Many men will never be satisfied with a single woman, no matter how hot she is. Sluts disgust me, but guys like me create the market for them.

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  160. Parson Jim, Hope, and Patrick Bateman, this is the response to all three posts.

    Matriarchy is the sign of a temporary or failed society pushed into margins other societies don’t want. It doesn’t work because it can’t muster manpower, and manpower critically making better tools at killing the neighbor. It is why no major society today is matriarchal.

    Rome’s big advantage over 700 years was it’s patriarchal mobilization of the average man. The Greeks, the Gauls, the Carthaginians all inflicted massive defeats that killed hundreds of thousands of Roman men. Yet the Romans simply raised more men and used massive manpower mobilization possible because men will fight for their own family. Western European civilization post 1000 AD is based on not only Roman-style massive mobilization but also superior technology always advancing by men improving stuff for their own family.

    Asian men are the result of the Emperor-Eunuch-Peasant system, with very few independent men able to make their own way with their own families.

    What we will likely see in the long run is the “Return to Patriarchy” as described by Steyn. Religions that promote fertility and many children will simply outpace secularists who will be marginalized, lacking manpower to control the streets and the culture. Women deny this future of course, because they think that somehow continuing to not sleep with beta males will make them fight for them and their rights.

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  161. 153: “I think what’s actually going on is the general spread of totally individualist consumer values, which lead people to view each other as nothing but sources of pleasure, and to be furious when other people don’t come through in supplying everything we want at all times. Men and women are both vulnerable to this. Men’s rage is going to be more naked because it’s testosterone-fueled, women’s a little more sly and articulate, but the sense of individual entitlement and disappointment when it’s not satisfied is similar.”

    and

    165: “Guys, has it ever occured to you that your biases influence the kind of women you end up dating?

    “Like, I’ve known many guys with money who’ve believed that money is the only thing that interests women. Those guys are always complaining about the golddiggers they date. If you think that women only want money and ooze that attitude, it’s a turnoff to women who aren’t golddiggers. So, they only ever end up dating golddiggers and reinforcing their belief.

    “If you’re too convinced that women are narcissistic, you’re going to drive away the women who aren’t.”

    MQ & jaakkeli, I could kiss you! But I’m only a 6, so you can probably do better.

    171: “Sluts disgust me, but guys like me create the market for them.”

    I have to credit you for articulating this. Sluts don’t attain their sluthood all by themselves, after all.

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  162. El Guapo, are you the long, gray-haired pool man I see driving around my neighborhood who wears the tie-dyed tank tops and the head band?

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  163. #125 Parson Jim
    #172 whiskey

    The Feminst Utopia? Perhaps. A glimpse of the future America? Hardly.

    By the way, it was Philip Longman, not Mark Steyn, who wrote The Return of Patriarchy:

    http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2006/the_return_of_patriarchy

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  164. I think there are some very strong points in this post. My question is: Is this applicable society wide or more of an issue on the coasts as opposed to “fly over” country, where traditional marriage values seem to be more strongly desired/enforced?

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  165. 171: “Sluts disgust me, but guys like me create the market for them.”

    Here I think you’ve fallen for the PC line on sluts. One is expected to scorn them.

    I on the other hand, appreciate LeSlut™. I have never hesitated to bed, power-fuck, experiment upon and tease LeSlut™ I have also never hesitated to treat them as a full human being with feelings and needs of their own — the latter includes men other than me. A little caution, common sense and protection is needed to enjoy them, but beyond that — what’s not to like? All one has to do is not expect sexual loyalty.

    At some point every man should have LeSlut™ as the base of 1 for the sheer freedom it entails. And if you can corral a high-class escort under romantic instead of business terms, be prepared for a different level of sexual pleasures.

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  166. @134

    No, the 10’s exist. On this I have to differ with him. Over the years I have had more than my fair share.

    The problem is that 10’s know they are 10’s and use their beauty as a passport into a variety of inner circles which exclude all but the rich, famous and equally handsome/beautiful. And they cruise with BitchShields® set to maximum. (The only known exception to this is the ever-so beautiful and genuinely nice person, Shannon Elizabeth.)

    Having been able to move in those circles on occasion, I have come into contact with the 10’s, and the good news is that they are as vulnerable to Game Method(s) as any other woman. The bad news, the massive number of options at their disposal works against you.

    That’s why hunting in model-and-fashion land can be so rewarding. Constant exposure to other beautiful women again puts women on the defensive and more apt to accept propositions.

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  167. It’s that anger I don’t understand.

    Clio, CH is angry at women for living down to his theories about them. He’s angry because he’s right about women, and he doesn’t really want to be.

    One of the hazards of adopting an evo-bio perspective on humanity is the development of a kind of contempt for the whole damn race of us, not so much for being intelligent monkeys, as for refusing to accept, admit or adapt to that fact. Women, in particular, seem incapable of engaging in any clear-eyed examination of their animal natures, seem incapable of accepting that hormones affect how they think, cannot accept that they even have animal natures at all. Women seem incapable of any kind of honest self-appraisal, at least around men.

    Systematic deception of men is part of female nature, and self-deception is too. Indeed, the degree to which women are deceived about their own dark side makes them more authentic, hence effective, in their bogosity mongering and manipulations. But self-deceived they are nonetheless.

    When evo-bio illuminates women’s nature as the rather unpleasant, narcissisitic, uncaring thing it is, it actually hurts the feelings of idealistic young men who’ve been internalizing women’s own placement of themselves on the pedestal of virtue, caring and selflessness. (Don’t laugh! It’s horribly painful to become disillusioned about women. Hurt is actually too mild a word to describe the emotional aftershocks of the downfall of the Innocent View of Women. Being expelled from that Garden of Eden is deeply traumatic to any young man of feeling and intellect.)

    To discover we’ve been duped is embarrassing at least, infuriating at worst. And to discover that the dupers persist in their own deluded self-approbation as “victims”, blinded by their inner coldness to the very inner coldness that dominates them, is to cause youthful disillusioned fury to dampen into a mature, settled, sad, and weary contempt.

    Evo-bio is risky. It is way too easy to assume that because evolution has structured people to be certain ways, that they deliberately choose to be that way. Cynicism and misanthropy are the occupational hazard of the evo-bio-ist. Misogyny is the special hazard of the sexual evo-bio-ist.

    Everybody plays the fool, as the song says. Seeing women continue to do so, and about themselves, is fatiguing to say the least. That they can’t help it only makes matters worse. The only rational response to this unchanging and unchangeable truth about women is, oddly, Mystery’s: compassion.

    Sometimes it’s hard, though. Sometimes it’s hard.

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  168. 122 El Guapo
    “Let me make [the assetion] now: I concur, that essentially no one is banging the 6’s and below.”
    And the discrepancy between “essentially” and “absolutely”? Alcohol!

    123 PA
    “El Guapo: what’s your benchmark for a 6, assuming a woman in her 20s: Pretty and in a decent shape, but not a head-turner?
    Or am I describing a 7?”
    http://www.hotornot.com/

    138 El Guapo
    “No, the 10’s exist. [reference to Shannon Elizabeth as an example]”
    To each his own Guapo, but I’m confident that most males would guffaw at this being “perfect.” That *is* the definition of a 10m, no?
    http://tinyurl.com/6ektqb

    134 Bateshorn “I don’t know, Guapo. Roosh maintains that there are no true 10’s, only 9’s that really blow it out in the getting done up department.”
    I agree with Roosh. 10 is almost theoretical, attainable only by the one girl in two or three hundred at her very peak. The video is my evidence that, although speech might be a nice plus, there will be few complaints from males about their sexbot being mute.

    144 Peter [link to a digitally-applied GNP]
    Time to run Spyware Doctor again

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  169. At some point every man should have LeSlut™ as the base of 1 for the sheer freedom it entails.

    If we don’t have sluts, then who will you guys have sex with? Boring sexless women? Oh wait, you’ll crawl back to masturbating after realizing that your nice girl wives and girlfriends are repressed and sexless.

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  170. on July 24, 2008 at 11:24 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    177 El Guapo

    While sluts had an appeal to me in my teens and twenties, I have become more enamored with the “friend with benefits” and the “fuck buddy”.

    While Leslut is a nympho with a modicum of self control, she will fuck just about anyone given the right circumstances.

    A better, safer, and saner base of 1 exists, for you El_G.
    Both are gifts of the sexual revolution of the ’60s and its “free love”. Gone are the days that “Free love” meant free crabs and free clap.

    The Friend with benefits, and the Fuck Buddy have no need or more on point, a sexual desire for anyone beyond you. Not all are exactly this way, but on the whole expect the following:

    A Fuck Buddy is only and purely a sexual relationship. She has all of her other needs met elsewhere.

    Some of my best fuck buddies have walked in the front door. The only words out of her mouth, the whole day were: “Do you have company?”

    Friend with benefits requires you being a friend, or at least mimicking it. (If you can fake sincerity you are on your way to Faux Alphahood.)

    If you can provide her with friendship, she will give you pussy without requirements beyond a condom.

    The upside is that, while she doesn’t require sexual exclusivity on your part, more often then not she is sexually loyal to you. (Unlike LeSluts.)

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  171. 140 PatrickH

    “Clio, he is angry at women for living down to his theories about them. He’s angry because he’s right about women, and he doesn’t really want to be.”

    I think you are right here and he is also right but in his rightness he is miserable. Because he is looking to rationalize his fear and loathing and finds reams of supporting evidence; he’s chosen being right over being happy; a trite but truism nonetheless. If he were to spend equal amounts of time looking for relationships he admires and what is beautiful in femininity and he would begin attracting women who embody those characteristics, but in order to do that he would have to give up his need to be right up to this point.

    The ego is a harsh task master and demands rigid consistency and being right over others. This Tyler dude is only looking at half of any given human being; the animal half, the instinctual half, and misses the human spirit. Granted many operate purely on instinct and if you’re really smart you’ll avoid those types like the plague. Their lives are full of drama and suffering. This Tyler idiot, smart as he may be in his knowledge, is only encouraging a lopsided focus on human animal instinctual behavior.

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  172. He is most likely angry at women because the majority of them are retardedly whimsical, illogical pieces of shit devoid of soul and integrity.

    I have met VERY FEW women that are truly worthy of respect.

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  173. Yes, like that woman in Ohio who cleaned my hotel room. Or her laid-off husband.

    Touché PA. There are admittedly plenty of poor whites in the US and other parts of the blancosphere, but admittedly they still live better off than your average African or Asian.

    Your fanatical devotion to it aside, Gannon, mere youth alone is really not enough to have the mens come flocking.

    Gannon lives in the magical candyland where every 16 year old girl is hot.

    And the irrational men of equal status chasing women out of their league.

    Actually, I don’t see what’s wrong with men trying to chase after a few good looking women. It makes far more sense to hold our for maximum sexual pleasure than to waste time, energy, effort, and money on something that’s no better than a masturbatory session.

    I suspect that female Anonymous wouldn’t be happy with the men of her rank as well, and she certainly wouldn’t deliver in the sex department. OTOH, I suspect that she could be an excellent female friend for some guy who is interested in that type of relationship.

    She must now choose whether to accept the state of affairs or to enhance herself, her value and compete by broadening/changing her market appeal.

    She can become a sexual creature or she can specialize in offering emotional support in a platonic capacity. For 90% of women, it makes far more sense to specialize in the latter than the former.

    although my experience has been that men have serious problems with their women making more money than they do

    I still have a problem with the idea of my female partner earning more, but it’s primarily because I feel that she’ll eventually leave me for a more successful and better looking male. Also, as a black guy, there’s something that’s ghetto about having a girlfriend who makes more than you.

    But the question is: What do we do about it?

    Legalize and destimagtize prostitution, while working on building sex robots to replace women.

    The job part too will make things better as well…

    Women…rarely tolerate men as husbands if they demonstrate no upward mobility.”

    Hence why women in the Black community are unmarried. The women are willing to tolerate the men as temporary boyfriends, but these men are not marriage material in any form. Criminal males who leech off women and have no employment prospects are simply not worth marrying in the eyes of women. In our current economy, ghetto males are lacking in employment for numerous reasons, and quite frankly many turn to crime or selling drugs as only means of survival. The women date these men because men of higher rank in the black community won’t touch these women at all, and thanks to high imprisonment rates (and low educational attainment), a black man with income have his pick of the best women in the “community” which oddly serves as an even greater disincentive to marry…

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  174. Maybe I shouldn’t use the term “angry”. Something more along the lines of lacking sincere respect. I doubt he is necessarily “angry” at women. He, much like myself, probably just doesn’t think there is much real value in the majority of them outside of the “fun” that most of them are after.

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  175. “Gannon lives in the magical candyland where every 16 year old girl is hot.”

    At 16, 80% of females are hot.
    Twenty years later, 80% of females are NOT hot.
    Female beauty peaks at 17 (best age for females is 15-20 years of age).

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  176. @183

    Good grief Not_Peter.

    There is such a thing as irrational standards. Women today are the most beautiful creatures since the mythical Helen of Troy. Your link to Shannon Elizabeth pics says it all — if she doesn’t qualify as 10 there’s something seriously wrong in your visual circuits.

    Of course, there are other flavors like Crystal.

    @185 S.A.M.

    Yep. I appreciate the value of LeFuckBuddy™ as well. I was merely making the case for LeSlut™.

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  177. @129 sara: I don’t think it’s a worthwhile endeavor to argue the nature of truth with you, but I will say that when I say ‘ugly truth’, my meaning is simple. Human beings build up pretty fantasies about what they are doing and why they are doing it. The truth here is that the socio-sexual state of affairs is untenable and is an iceburg. That is comparatively ugly next to the fantasy. I’m fully aware of the innate joy and beauty of truth. The sources CH has cited puts this eloquently and succinctly.

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  178. HUZZAH HUZZAH HUZZAH!!!!!!! Masterpiece!!!!! Encore Encore!!!!!

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  179. 187: “I suspect that female Anonymous wouldn’t be happy with the men of her rank as well,”

    Given that I don’t have a sense of rank beyond beyond a guy being self-supporting, not a substance abuser, and not an obvious mama’s boy/pedophile/bully/convicted felon, I really can’t say. I know I’ve dated men who would objectively be described as lower-class, which turned out to matter a lot more to them than it did to me.

    It might come as a surprise to some here that a lot of people don’t think in terms of rank, especially in the moment.

    “and she certainly wouldn’t deliver in the sex department.”

    Oh, DA! So mistaken in this assumption. Although it sure as hell wouldn’t happen on the first date. Or soon enough for most posters here, I imagine.

    “OTOH, I suspect that she could be an excellent female friend for some guy who is interested in that type of relationship.”

    Too true. I have more male friends than any woman could possibly want. I am Queen of the Platonic.

    188: “Female beauty peaks at 17 (best age for females is 15-20 years of age).”

    So girls who are unremarkable at 17 have a pretty tough row to hoe, then.

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  180. on July 25, 2008 at 2:03 am Gunslingergregi

    David Alexander
    Touché PA. There are admittedly plenty of poor whites in the US and other parts of the blancosphere, but admittedly they still live better off than your average African or Asian.

    Dave define live better?
    Have you been to some Asian countries or African countries?
    I plan on moving out because they live way the fuck better in asia 🙂
    Even ugly dudes get to be married have sex with decent looking in shape woman who are normally virgins when they get married the first time go figure. Wierd huh. Even when they are poor. They are also allowed to divorce. The difference is their is no state that is saying you have to pay child support or alimony. They give what they feel they should or the men take the kid and raise it.
    I just hope I am not going to upset the balance of their country by being rich and the woman start seeing how much their values are really worth to people from outside.

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  181. Animus, thank you.

    El Guapo — what you propose is simple but very very difficult. It has been tried of course. But the men with guns who are at top, far different sort of “Alpha”, don’t want that because it threatens their Lord of the Flies gang-laden society, where they are at the top.

    So, any attempts at reforms result in massive gang ordered killings till chaos drowns order. This was the result in Somalia and much of Africa also. The only solution is to kill massive amounts of young men and tip the society female (as was done in effect in WWII in Germany and Japan — most of the young men there were dead and out of society by war’s end). This is however both ugly-brutal and expensive so you’ll find few to sign on for it. No sane man likes killing, it is the most disgusting thing imaginable.

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  182. on July 25, 2008 at 2:18 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea man post and comments goes down in history. The problem with taking foreign woman to the us is that they fall under the laws of the us. The problem with world bank and shit is that you now have the same divorce laws in foreign countries that the us has. Soon there will be no escape for men. Asia is the last bastion of hope almost. Bosnia macedonia for gods sake passed the same divorce laws. The guys I know are like what the fuck. First the americans came and got with there woman now they brought the divorce laws to their country. I feel bad for them. Same no smoking laws and divorce laws and seat belt laws going world wide wooo hooo go woman!

    So yea I say a big thank you to asian men they may be beta but they are tough as hell when it comes to there woman and protecting them from themselves. Hopefully they can repel the bs wagon coming to a country near them. This is global people not just us anymore. Angry woman getting their wish for a worldwide push of this crap backed by big money.

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  183. on July 24, 2008 at 8:20 pm bushrod buttram

    Clio:

    “When I queried the anger of his commenters, I was thinking of the anger they direct at young, “nubile” women as a group, women who have not done them any wrong, not even saying “no” to them (if you all are telling the truth) and who have not, for the most part, been guilty of no-fault divorce, laying false sexual harassment charges, making false paternity claims, and the like, nor ever will be, most of them. Women who are not entirely responsible for the way the media portrays them – which many of them don’t much like, or find flattering, either. Women who are not wholly responsible for stupid immigration laws, radical muslims, and the rest of the social ills you name.”

    Part of it is that a lot of these young men saw their fathers get used and they’re, not unreasonable, expecting all the girls they meet to be plotting to do the same to them in their turn.

    When you grew up seeing your mom’s standard of living go up and your dad’s do down after their divorce, while he continued putting in his 60 hours at the office every week and she spent her summers tanning on the deck of her second husband’s pool, it’s hard not to imagine the same thing happening to you. You grow up just expecting, in the animal corners of your brain, that one day you’ll get married, get taken for everything you’ve got, and wind up struggling to see your kids two days a month. And since you can’t hate your mom, you hate women in general, no matter how stupid, unfair, and misplaced this hatred is.

    What I’m describing is a not untypical middle-class experience in America. I’m not unaware that the experience of divorce can be quite different in other classes, in other countries, or at other points in history. Still, an impoverished “involuntary bachelor” in late middle age is one of the most pitiable figures in the world of the middle class. Everyone knows that he failed at life, that he has nothing to look forward to but single-bedroom apartments in bad neighborhoods, third-hand cars with rusted-out mufflers, store-brand frozen dinners, crushing permanent loneliness (since men lose their friends when they marry,) and gray, gray celibacy.

    I am a religious man so it is without hyperbole that I say I thank God that I married a nice girl from the old country before I emigrated to America. I can’t imagine marrying a woman likely to put me in the position described above. I’d rather die.

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  184. on July 25, 2008 at 2:24 am Gunslingergregi

    And to see the woman we have to deal with from:

    Sara evil minded, heartless, soulless viper. The truth of who I am is so far from that. #1 I am completely against the death penalty under any and all circumstances. Death is a reward, not a punishment.

    She says she is not:
    evil minded, heartless, soulless viper

    Yet she would deny the poor souls the reward of death that they obviously crave.

    Sara read you statement a few times. Come to a conclusion.

    Not that I don’t think you where hurt Sara but maybe by your own hand look at what you wrote. Suicide would be ok for you if you really didn’t believe in heaven or hell what would there be to stop you. Go free it is ok for you. No more pain needed.

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  185. on July 25, 2008 at 2:25 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @195 Gunslingergregi

    “This is the reason it is becoming fucked the complete and total absence of any reason in the laws.”

    Cause is (pick only one)

    1. Its naturally falling apart because of entropy.

    or

    2. There is an agenda of some party, who influences lawmakers, and they want it this way.

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  186. on July 25, 2008 at 2:40 am Gunslingergregi

    2. There is an agenda of some party, who influences lawmakers, and they want it this way.

    I pick #2 and I now realize the big money we get as contractors is probably so we can influence the masses (woman) in third world countries that the American system is so much better and help them to see how great they are and valuable they are. We can also help them to see just how much they can extract from men with the right laws without giving anything in return. What happened in Bosnia “vomits”
    Shit almost everyone working out here that actually sees what it is like in supposed 3rd world countries ends up wanting to live in a different country. It is just not as easy as it sounds but we are having impacts in certain places for sure.

    I just heard from the bosnian dudes about that shit. They are of course scared. There will probably be a higher percentage of woman killed though there for pulling that shit. The guys definetly bond more and actually hang out when they are older in bigger groups than us. They have a certain culture.

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  187. Given that I don’t have a sense of rank

    Either you’re lying, or you’re a rare type of woman.

    I probably wouldn’t meet your minimum standards since I’m a mommy’s boy who isn’t self-sufficient and lives in a bedroom in his parents house.

    Oh, DA! So mistaken in this assumption.

    It’s highly likely that you don’t look or act like a porn star, so you wouldn’t meet my sexual needs. For your average beta male who has no discriminating taste due to his lack of pride and self-control, you might satisfy his sexual urges.

    Too true. I have more male friends than any woman could possibly want. I am Queen of the Platonic.

    See, you leveraged your personality to develop solid and meaningful friendships with men instead of trying to pass yourself off as a sexual creature and wasting everybody’s time. Developing a platonic friendship and saving sexual acts with women designed for sex makes far more sense than wasting time with a woman who sucks at sex. Why trap myself with one woman for shitty sex when I can have multiple female friends to supply my emotional needs and multiple women to supply my sexual needs?

    DA goes to Mass?

    I usually go every Sunday, but I haven’t gone for two weeks, and admittedly, I feel a bit guilty about skipping mass.

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  188. on July 25, 2008 at 3:59 am Comment_Nicely_Done

    Hope made some good points. Her true statements, for women that is, form the powerful rationalization machine for the insanely selfish behaviour of many women.

    Statement 1:
    *****
    I think what’s actually going on is the general spread of totally individualist consumer values, which lead people to view each other as nothing but sources of pleasure, and to be furious when other people don’t come through in supplying everything we want at all times. Men and women are both vulnerable to this. Men’s rage is going to be more naked because it’s testosterone-fueled, women’s a little more sly and articulate, but the sense of individual entitlement and disappointment when it’s not satisfied is similar.
    ****

    Statement 2:
    ****
    If women are ever a danger to the Western social order, it’s because they want to give everything away for free, to be nice even to obvious enemies and to avoid hurting others’ feelings by actually making value judgements…
    ****

    First, Men are the real danger to the Western social order, because they believe failing to give FOR FREE makes them a “Dead Beat Dad”. If every man expected to get something from their now obvious enemy in return for money, then modern divorce wouldn’t last a day. Men are their own worst enemy. Uh, I’m sorry, Hope was lost in some delusional mental fantasy where all the boyfriends she tortured was a GIFT she was giving them. FOR FREE.

    Back to the female rationalization machine:

    First Statement 1 powerfully eliminates the need to actually DO anything for your husband/son/father/male friend. He wants something? Sense of entitlement. Sense that other people owe him anything. Silly. He is just a product of “modern culture” and expects a mothers/wifes/daughters love to actually MEAN something. Not really taking responsibility for himself, is he? Expects her to do *anything*. Ha. Ha. Then he gets all angry when you point it out.

    After setting expectations to zero, we then move on to statement 2. Where we discover women DO to something. For *NOTHING*(since everything she recieves is EXPECTED). Since we are at a base-line of zero, this is SO incredibly giving! INCREDIBLY! For FREE even, since everything the man supplies is expected. FOR FREE. From the man for FREE. In fact, if the man doesn’t supply it FOR FREE he is a Dead-Beat Dad.

    Anyone who believes either of the two statements above really needs to think about wether they understand anything about anything.

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  189. I like the Yeats reference.

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  190. I seriously, and really I do, doubt that any “robot” of any type could mimic the complexity and biochemistry of a real human woman who is attracted to you and wants sex with you.

    What are you asking? Engineers to mimic the process of roughly 300 million years of evolution (land dwelling amphibians and reptiles onwards) … in all it’s complexity.

    There is no way even the most sophisticated robotics and AI could mimic that of say, a fence lizard much less a hypercharged emotionally, intellectually, and hormonally human woman.

    EVEN human women prostitutes don’t have much appeal, if they are fit (most are not, which ought to tell you something). There is a reason porn has cut into prostitution’s revenues. Prostitutes are women who have often, serious issues (almost any woman can earn enough net in almost any job than a street level prostitute) and are not attractive. The exceptions are unaffordable to anyone but a man with the income of say, Eliot Spitzer.

    There was a recent video of some fashion show with prostitutes in Spain. They look like the ones arrested in Vegas in an episode of Cops or the ones trolling around Hong Kong I’ve observed. Or the ones in Hollywood Blvd I’ve seen late at night, leaving a club. These women are not attractive.

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  191. Obviously, we need some sort of system that assures that high percentages of people have their emotional and physical needs met.

    This society is certainly negligent of the very real human necessity of physical contact between people. The contact need not necessarily be sexual, although sexual release is also necessary after puberty starts. Kids need physical affection from their parents and relatives up until puberty, then they naturally pull away from their parents and family and look for affection from their peers. Teenage exploration and sex are normal behaviors, but they are frowned upon because society represses them.

    Is prostitution the way to go? Perhaps as a band-aid solution for those multitudes who are left behind, “priced out of the sexual market.” However, it is only another form of monetary-backed exchange of human labor, and how many people truly enjoy their jobs? Alienation and ennui will still flourish, and society will continue as today, with low birth rates, broken families, and bleak, despondent human spirits.

    Is not emotional and sexual poverty just as critical as material poverty?

    The problem with emotional and spiritual poverty is that the effects of these reverberate throughout society. Children are taught that “willpower” is useless, that personal responsibility, self-reflection and intelligent decisions are not necessary. Children nag and cry and whine to get what they want — sweets, toys, and more junk food. Ethics and virtues are worthless; why work hard when the TV says you, too, could be rich, beautiful and successful without breaking a sweat? The following Fight Club quote seems appropriate:

    “God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need. We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t…”

    We have been emptied, hollowed out and carved up inside by this materialistic world that is ultimately unsustainable but believes it is immoral, just like every collapsed civilization before it. We fill the vast void in ourselves with things — material possessions that we see on TV and billboards and everywhere with flashing signs — so that we don’t feel so lonely, so miserable, and so unhappy. The message is simple: buy this, and you’ll be happy. Perhaps it does for a time, but then the gas tank goes empty, and you have to fill it up again.

    The solution is not easy or short-term. But if it were really that easy to exercise willpower, 64.5% of US adults would not be either overweight or obese.

    Her true statements, for women that is, form the powerful rationalization machine for the insanely selfish behaviour of many women.

    You should read more closely, as I didn’t make either statement 1 or 2. I am not “lost in some delusional mental fantasy,” but your whole comment was so absurd that I must give you props for not making sense.

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  192. @174

    Nope. Am a 215lb well-built, well-off, middle-aged male with a touch of grey at the temples who still believes that Love® is possible. I’m what would be called a Reluctant Player, who uses Game Method(s) to create openings with women who normally would not look at the older male as a prospective long-term partner. (For casual sex, it’s almost trivial and overkill. 1-in-5 Hotts™ do love older men!) My sudden plunge into the current female market (and reaction therein) made me realize that something shifted, and my searches led me to Maison CH.

    The give-and-take on the blog has been a fascinating education of views, data and knowledge.

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  193. #173 jaakkeli

    It’s legal here in northern Nevada.

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  194. on July 25, 2008 at 5:31 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Nods affirmatively at hope

    Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career.
    Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television.
    Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers.

    Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments.
    Choose a starter home. Choose your friends.
    Choose a three piece suit on hire purchased in a range of fucking fabrics.
    Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning.
    Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth.
    Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself.

    Choose a future. Choose life . . .

    But why would I want to do a thing like that?
    I chose not to choose life.
    I chose something else. And the reasons?

    There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you’ve got heroin?

    Renton – Trainspotting

    Once every now and then, something remarkable happens….

    Hollywood and independent filmmakers state a truth so deep, so remarkable and so stark You are befuddled for a second as you ask yourself, did he/she say what I thought I heard.

    Then You find yourself walking out of the darkened theater into the bright light of day.. forgetting the movie and the 50.00 you just blew, as life comes off pause.

    But that moment… that clear Truth comes back like a bad penny and haunts you for days. Then you find out there are others, who experienced it as well, and that Truth haunts you all for the rest of you life.

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  195. #206 whiskey

    Ditto, and since it’s legal and well-regulated here, you get a better quality of service and safety. Of course, you pay more for it too, but caveat emptor.

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  196. on July 25, 2008 at 5:38 am SovereignAmericanMale

    If anyone else, has a Outstanding move scene to contribute, I ask that you do so at this time.

    If you don’t have the words from the script, see if you can find that scene on Youtube and post a link to it.

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  197. MQ & jaakkeli, I could kiss you! But I’m only a 6, so you can probably do better.

    I totally date 6s and 7s with good personalities. Good personalities can be found, even in DC.

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  198. 207 Hope

    “The solution is not easy or short-term. But if it were really that easy to exercise willpower, 64.5% of US adults would not be either overweight or obese.”

    Yes, I know you don’t like me, but here goes anyway. So, it’s 64.5% of Americans are overweight? Well you sound quite sure that the problem is lack of willpower, but I would like to present another facet of the problem. People are addicted to the chemicals and additives in their food. Our bodes adjust to whatever we give it, and by adjust I mean it creates a balance around the expectation of receiving certain substances, whether good and natural or bad and unnatural. When people try to quit, they get withdrawal symptoms. Few have the willpower to go even three days without something their bodies are seriously wanting/craving. The body is literally having to readjust to accommodate the missing chemicals and it takes about three days minimum.

    A person can use force of will to stop (if they even know what to stop) but as you noticed few have it. The key (imho) is to get rid of the chemicals and toxins in a way that does not allow them to be reabsorbed. Everyone wants to find a cure (i.e. willpower, dieting, drugs, vitamins, exercise) but few want to find the cause. Anyway, it worked for me. I lost six pounds without trying at all to lose the weight (though I wanted to) simply by removing the chemicals. heavy metals, and toxins.

    “Children nag and cry and whine to get what they want — sweets, toys, and more junk food. Ethics and virtues are worthless; why work hard when the TV says you, too, could be rich, beautiful and successful without breaking a sweat? ”

    I’m thrilled to say my own daughter (wonderful mother that I am) does not fall into this category. She has known what her life’s work is and has been consciously working toward it since she was eight years old. I’m told it’s quite unusual. She saves her money and spends what little she does wisely. She is starting her own business, has a checking and savings account. She does not nag, beg, crave junk food or believe the bullshit on TV about how she needs to be this or that image to be accepted. That was me as a young girl and I made my parent’s life a living hell!

    She is independent, intelligent, funny, honest, real, and of course imperfect. So it is possible. Your words are rather depressing and fatalistic in my opinion though I”m sure there are many studies to prove what you say, it doesn’t change the fact (imho) that a negative focus breeds more negativity.

    Yes, it’s a madhouse out there but believe it or not, what’s happening to others needn’t effect us personally to the degree most think it does. Change happens with individuals acting alone. Sure groups of like minded individuals may be formed, but it’s not necessary to effect change and still the strength of the group depends on the strength of individuals.

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  199. on July 25, 2008 at 6:32 am Gunslingergregi

    “God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don’t need. We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t…”

    This is the problem hope I will be a millionaire it is not hard. Let me repeat it is not hard. Well ok maybe a little but my path is clear point a to point b. You just follow the rules and get there. There is a very simple way to do it. Just requires work and time but we all can be millionaires.
    The thing is, is it worth it. Is the world that great to even put in that much time and that much sacrifice. I hope so but it will still be the world. Who knows. As you all have seen rich rock stars kill themselves sometimes rich movie stars do as well. So do rich businessman Why is that? Maybe because even at the pinnacle they realize they still have to abide by the rules of this planet and still have to know that others have not made it and scratch and claw and squable over scraps from the table and abuse people in ungodly ways for those same scraps. For what reason?

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  200. on July 25, 2008 at 6:36 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @213 sara

    Organic, natural foods are way more expensive, and….
    Don’t taste as good as artificially foods. If you want to find real food on the cheap get in touch with an amish food/good market and your local farmers market.

    Good luck on getting a kid weaned off of poptarts/toaster strudles tho.

    Gnom, gnom, gnom…
    Yummy Yummy. More More!
    MSG, High Fructose Corn Syrup and Aspartame if you want something sugar free. Bad for you… but boy is it addictive and fattening.

    It almost seems like there is a conspiracy to make Americans fat so we don’t want sex with each other, net result being negative replacement rates.

    Besides… DA is fast to point out: “who wants sex with fat warpigs, when you got Porn!”

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  201. H supporting his cause:

    “(women in general do not give a shit about justice)

    I can tell you right now about 90% of the women I’ve fucked in the past nine months (double digits) were, barring a character transplantation, completely unworthy as marriage material.

    Eventually, sexbots will drive the final nail in the rotting coffin of Western marriage.

    A high status man is one who perceives himself to be better — as reflected in his psychological dominance — than his woman.

    Women by nature aren’t on your side.

    This would keep her in line… and in love.

    Women are ten times more narcissistic than men by nature.”

    CH effect:

    From Ryan post #1:

    Word… this makes me hate women even more.

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  202. The Anonymous 6 is not a six. I see 5s being approached daily.

    Differences can be subtle, and if your 6 is from hotornot, I must say female scores are somewhat inflated on that website. Facebook hotornot seems to be closer to reality, though, the closest I’d say is facethejury, but this could be just my taste or something.

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  203. on July 25, 2008 at 2:11 am Gunslingergregi

    of a deity.
    3. @ Clio:
    “It is hard to understand why someone should appear at times to be frothing at the mouth with rage when he has all he wants.”
    This is quite telling.
    To a *man*, whose sense of justice has been described elsewhere as “tough” and “fair” (meaning: *objective*, irrespective of the hopes, wants or needs of the judge), it matters not how full his belly is, nor how slated his dick-thirst is. He can still see injustice around him and wish for a better world.
    A *woman’s* sense of justice, as has been described elsewhere as “weak” and “capricious”, is *entirely* dependent on her feelings-of-the-moment, and ebbs and flows depending on whether she has her needs — and the needs of her children and immediate family — satisfied. Once those needs are fulfilled, she can quite often simply say, “To hell with the world and everyone else, I gots mine!”, never understanding that such an attitude undermines the very social order that gave rise to her successful position in life in the first place.
    To sum up: Clio’s innocent musings above can better be expressed by the sentiment:
    “There’s no bread? Let them eat cake!!!!”

    PatrickH
    1. When evo-bio illuminates women’s nature as the rather unpleasant, narcissisitic, uncaring thing it is, it actually hurts the feelings of idealistic young men who’ve been internalizing women’s own placement of themselves on the pedestal of virtue, caring and selflessness. (Don’t laugh! It’s horribly painful to become disillusioned about women. Hurt is actually too mild a word to describe the emotional aftershocks of the downfall of the Innocent View of Women. Being expelled from that Garden of Eden is deeply traumatic to any young man of feeling and intellect.)
    2. To discover we’ve been duped is embarrassing at least, infuriating at worst. And to discover that the dupers persist in their own deluded self-approbation as “victims”, blinded by their inner coldness to the very inner coldness that dominates them, is to cause youthful disillusioned fury to dampen into a mature, settled, sad, and weary contempt.

    CH Law #3: In the state of nature, men are expendable.

    Thank You CH, Deity, Patrick H: You have put eloquently what I have tried to say and hence the reason for my wanting to die at 21. Thank You Gentlemen.

    2nd note to that it was a foreign woman who has made me rich and want to live.

    3rd note it is not nescesily the womans fault in the us as it is the laws against men in the us.

    z’s remarks
    Z
    1. My answer would be to mandate joint custody unless the father is REALLY unfit, and give NO CHILD support in cases of joint custody. I’d also cap child support at 1000 a month per child. Women should not “hit the jackpot” by getting knocked up by a guy who pulls 200K a year and get 50K for wetbirthing one bastard for the next 18 years. It shouldn’t be like that. We need to make women NEED men again financially if they want to procreate—–and the way to do that is to END CHILD SUPPORT in cases of joint custody and to END ALIMONY if there are kids involved (to keep her ass from filing). The only women who deserve alimony are women who have been married for 20 years to the same guy who left her for a younger model and she is out of sorts with no job skills and an old visage. -SHE- perhaps deserves some help for a while. As long as their are steep financial consequences for a man in marriage if SHE chooses to end it, men will not be enthusiastic about having kids anymore. So many men who have one kid are afraid to have the second one because his bitchy wife will really have him by the balls then, and they both know it. :”

    This is the reason it is becoming fucked the complete and total absence of any reason in the laws.

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  204. on July 25, 2008 at 8:12 am Gunslingergregi

    Sovereign Here is your movie qoute request.

    Braveheart,

    Wallace: Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you’ll live — at least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!!!

    Ahh to be in a situation like that. Most romantic love affair of all movies. She dies before he sees any flaws in her so she is always flawless. Also protrays the ability to love after death. Which in marriage states till death do us part not we are married forever even after death.

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  205. on July 25, 2008 at 2:13 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @191 sara

    CH effect:

    From Ryan post #1:

    Word… this makes me hate women even more

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    1.
    Peoples reactions are not the fault of the presenters. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

    2.
    Sara made a poor choice in a commenter to make a point with.

    Ryan rarely says anything beyond an unenlightened “kick a bitch”.

    Its well known and documented that people see what they want to (prejudice).

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  206. on July 25, 2008 at 2:33 am Yancey Ward

    I would encourage all to actually read the linked Devlin essays. They are long, but well worth the time and effort. His summation gives a good preview, but only that.

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  207. 198 Gunslinger

    “Not that I don’t think you where hurt Sara but maybe by your own hand look at what you wrote. Suicide would be ok for you if you really didn’t believe in heaven or hell what would there be to stop you. Go free it is ok for you. No more pain needed.”

    Truthfully, I am much happier and healthier than I’ve ever been in my life. My comments are just misunderstood. Nothing unusual in that. How much can you convey in a few sentences or paragraphs. I don’t even expect it, especially considering how different my world view is from most people. Please thyself first and I do.

    Life is sweet, undeniably wonderful, exciting, rich in every way. There is not much that can get me down for long. I just like to express my opinions, ideas, etc. My belief that death is the ultimate orgasm if you know what it is does not mean I advocate killing people! I’m just saying that if people knew what it was they would certainly never give it to their enemies. Personally I hope to live to be 125. People complain about getting old all the time to me and I do not relate.

    I stand by my opinion that he is an insidious influence, but not on me. I don’t hate men, and never have. On the contrary. Certain individuals I can live without though.

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  208. “EVEN human women prostitutes don’t have much appeal, if they are fit (most are not, which ought to tell you something).”

    Yeah, the average whore will be much uglier than your average coed or high school girl. By the way, in Argentina normal whores go for around 50 US per night (you pick them up and take them to a place), but luxurt whores aged 18-30 charge around 500 US per night and have their own appartments, no pimps involved. For 500 US you can have real quality for a whole nigt, but that’s the monthly income of a lowskilled Argentine.

    Off topic: yesterday I saw a video of Obama in Berlin, and this guy walks and looks like a Nerd. He walks in a goofy way and has that ultrathin neutered muscleless body, and his large ears make him look like a combination of Nerd and monkey.
    This is trully the revenge of the nerds.

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  209. There are admittedly plenty of poor whites in the US and other parts of the blancosphere, but admittedly they still live better off than your average African or Asian.

    David, you’re one of the most likeable characters I encounter on line, but I have to be harsh with you because I figured you to be smarter than that.

    Yes, most U.S. Whites live better than people in parts of Asia or Africa. But this is also true for African Americans, Latinos, and Asians in the United States.

    I was disappointed to see you slip into the “White People are Magical” mindset. It’s not excusable for you. This kind of thinking leads to envy, envy leads to hate, and hate leads you know where.

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  210. 204: “Either you’re lying, or you’re a rare type of woman.”

    Not lying, but clearly not typical. With all the pros and cons that come with being atypical, I might add.

    “I probably wouldn’t meet your minimum standards since I’m a mommy’s boy who isn’t self-sufficient and lives in a bedroom in his parents house.”

    I would steer clear of you on those criteria, yes, largely because it would only be a matter of time before you started to resent me for being self-sufficient.

    “It’s highly likely that you don’t look or act like a porn star, so you wouldn’t meet my sexual needs.”

    This is true.

    “For your average beta male who has no discriminating taste due to his lack of pride and self-control, you might satisfy his sexual urges.”

    And if accepting resentful, reluctant men is all I can aspire to, is it any wonder that I’d prefer to be alone and turn my attentions to other aspects of life? Men aren’t the only ones with aspirations & missions, you know.

    “See, you leveraged your personality to develop solid and meaningful friendships with men instead of trying to pass yourself off as a sexual creature and wasting everybody’s time. Developing a platonic friendship and saving sexual acts with women designed for sex makes far more sense than wasting time with a woman who sucks at sex.”

    Well, first of all, I am a sexual creature, whether or not anyone happens to be having sex with me. Also, not getting a lot of sex does not automatically equal not wanting sex, or being lousy at it. And I’m personally of the opinion that everyone should develop both personalities, and friendships with the opposite sex. It would give everyone a lot more than merely superficial criteria on which to base their judgements.

    214: “Just requires work and time but we all can be millionaires.”

    And I think this is a huge part of what’s creating the problem.

    If, as has been posited here, women are essentially born with potential for true hotness or they aren’t (i.e., they can’t achieve it by hard work alone,) while men garner a lot of their status from what they’re able to achieve, then it seems likely that the pool of desireable women remains fairly consistent.

    The pool of alphas & alpha-wannabes, however, has increased significantly in the last generation or two. There are more men achieving extravagant wealth/power at a younger age than there have ever been, yet they’re all competing for the same pool of females.

    I think that affluence — and the sense of privilege & entitlement that comes with it — has done a lot more to bring about the current situation than anything else has.

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  211. May I request that people do cited passages in italics, for readability?

    It’s easy. Type this:

    XiZ cited text X/iZ

    Except that the X is the “less than” sign and the Z is the “greater than” sign. They are on your Comma and Period keys.

    Now, if somebnody could tell me how to do the big greyed-out quotes…

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  212. on July 25, 2008 at 12:58 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    220 Anonymous

    “I think that affluence — and the sense of privilege & entitlement that comes with it — has done a lot more to bring about the current situation than anything else has”

    Nice… Come and blame the males, for the failures of feminism.

    The best chances for 6s such as yourself, died in the 1950s.

    There was a time when women were feminine, and conducive to being wooed into wedded bliss. Males looked beyond just externals, and were much more forgiving and wedded, what would be 4s and 5s deemed by current standards. Gals back then also had social graces found wanting in the US Gal of today.

    This has changed with modern highglossy porn, fashion and beauty magazines, trumpeting the new standards of beauty and the utter failure of women in masse to archive it, has lead to massive outbreaks of mental illness in women.

    Men don’t care if you are an 8 or 9 if you are a psycho-chic.
    Guys don’t pump and dump females who are sick in the head… they are aware of the violence and harassment that females can get away with.

    For those who wanted something else there was the nunnery, or spinsterhood. Try looking at all the “free love” and career/job liberation as much larger contributing factors. This was going on before the new riches (debts), started a flowing.

    More feminist PC crap.

    No, your whole premise is clearly wrong.
    This is not *NOT* about young males attaining neowealth.

    “The pool of alphas & alpha-wannabes, however, has increased significantly in the last generation or two. ”

    This allergic response among males crosses all sociological, economical and racial-cultural borders.

    It is purely a function/organic response to the matriarchal feminist anti-social overreaching social reforms.

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  213. on July 25, 2008 at 1:03 pm Yakking Guy

    197 Gunslingergregi
    “This is global people not just us anymore. Angry woman getting their wish for a worldwide push of this crap backed by big money.”

    It will end soon, when the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currency. When the dollar falls, so will US influence. The pendulum will swing back the other way and probably even overshoot in the other direction.
    Of course, I’m talking about non-Western countries. Life in the Land of the Free may get a lot worse for males, maybe for a long time. Guys with the mindest of “I could never leave America” could really be screwing themselves.

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  214. on July 25, 2008 at 1:03 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    Now, if somebnody could tell me how to do the big greyed-out quotes…

    Do you mean like this PA?

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  215. DA, and anyone else interested, John Paul II had something to say about women. It might offer a nice balance to what we have going on here. (Incidentally, feminists are certain that JP2 hated women.)

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html

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  216. If the link doesn’t work for you, google “On the Dignity of Women” or “Mulieris Dignitatem.” As a Mass-attending Catholic, DA, you might find this particularly interesting.

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  217. on July 25, 2008 at 1:34 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @225 Seraphic Single

    As I was reading the link, I slipped into an anachronistic what if:

    2000+ years ago, an angel appears to Mary and lets her hear the message that, if she is willing she will bear the Son of God.
    That and that he will save his people from their sins.

    But she is a member of the 2nd wave feminists, and she tells the angel:

    “After I make it through school and get a rewarding job as an accountant for the money changers at the temple, may it happen as you have said to me, but I would rather it be the Daughter of God, instead of a Son”

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  218. on July 25, 2008 at 1:52 pm Yancey Ward

    The essays are depressing, but, I fear, completely accurate.

    “Men are the builders of civilization” it is often said (either in one of the above comments or in the Devlin essays, that quote was made once again), and, while true, isn’t the most correct way to phrase it. “Married fathers are the builders of civilization” is how the phrase should be written, and I think everyone with open eyes should agree with this. When I look around me the men who are ambitious, who build things (companies, inventions, and ever more productive careers), they almost all have one thing in common- they are married fathers, and when they are not fathers, they are already married and heading in that direction.

    Men strive to better society for their children- this is the fundamental truth, and the reason our civilization has advanced as far as it has is due to the fact that the institution of monogamous marriage harnessed nearly all men into the role of fatherhood. That institution is collapsing before our eyes, and if the percentage of illegitimate births continue to grow and dominate, our civilization will decay. We already see this in the inner cities of this country. In our folly we think we are evolving the social institution of marriage into something new and better, but we are actually just devolving back into primitive social arrangements.

    Men get blamed for the breakdown of marriage, and Devlin’s essays show that this is wrongheaded analysis. Men certainly share the blame in many ways, but it is caused by the changed expectations that marriage should be between equals. Most typical beta males (and the vast majority of men are beta males) would be perfectly happy to find a wives that would love and respect them in such unions, but such women are in very short supply. This was Devlin’s point in the essay Sexual Utopia and what the author, of the book Devlin reviewed in the first essay, found- most women don’t respect men who don’t take dominant roles in relationships. Women are now claiming they want the opposite of what they actually do, and men are trying with increasing desperation to give it to them, and the effort is futile.

    Devlin thinks/hopes that men can rescue this situation by reasserting their traditional gender roles, but I am more pessimistic. We are almost past the point of no return- more and more children are born without fathers, and those children as adults will reinforce the path we are on. Unmarried men are unambitious and uninterested in building society at best, and in the worst cases are active destroyers.

    The path we are on is unsustainable.

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  219. PA, you can make the large quotes by using the HTML tag (blockquote) (/blockquote), replacing the parenthesis with hard brackets.

    Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?

    Neo: The Matrix.

    Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?

    Neo: Yes.

    Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work… when you go to church… when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

    Neo: What truth?

    Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

    Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

    Brilliant allegory.

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  220. [blockquote] you can make the large quotes by using the HTML tag [/blockquote]

    Thanks Hope!

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  221. you can make the large quotes by using the HTML tag

    Thanks Hope!

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  222. 222:There was a time when women were feminine, and conducive to being wooed into wedded bliss. Males looked beyond just externals, and were much more forgiving and wedded, what would be 4s and 5s deemed by current standards. Gals back then also had social graces found wanting in the US Gal of today.

    Ah, the good old days! Well, some of us are still feminine & in possession of both our faculties *and* social graces. But we can’t all look like Grace Kelly, sorry. If nobody wants to woo us because they’re all squabbling over teh hotties, how exactly is that our fault?

    And this longing for those bygone days — it’s usually white males who yearn the hardest for them. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

    According to you, men used to look beyond the externals and now they don’t. They used to be happy married to 4s & 5s and now they’re not. And somehow is the fault of women? You really are the most nonsensical poster on here.

    The vast majority of people — men included — are more superficial, spoiled and demanding than they used to be. It is patently ridiculous to attempt to lay the current state of affairs entirely at the feet of either sex. You keep trying, though.

    No, your whole premise is clearly wrong.
    This is not *NOT* about young males attaining neowealth.

    Yeah, cause men couldn’t POSSIBLY have *any* responsibility whatsoever for the current state of the country, which they largely own and govern. It’s all the fault of those big, bad women! Right.

    The best chances for 6s such as yourself, died in the 1950s.

    Actually, the best chances for 6s such as myself are right now, this very moment. We can support ourselves just fine without you, and needn’t bother slotting ourselves into your fucked-up, retro caste system. Which should please you, anyway, since what self-respecting, self-important alpha would settle for a *6*?!

    Women like me are no longer required to be the collateral damage in your alpha-hottie war. God bless feminism!

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  223. @196 SovereignAmericanMale

    Ryan rarely says anything beyond an unenlightened “kick a bitch”.

    Oh now see that’s where you are dead wrong home-skillet. The phrase “kick a bitch”, is extremely profound. You just haven’t pondered it long enough to fully understand its magnitude.

    Its well known and documented that people see what they want to (prejudice).

    I simply call it like I see it…. Unlike women, and most boot-licking betas, I see the truth and live in the harsh world that reality presents me.

    Do you seriously think I want to see women for what they are? Wouldn’t I be MUCH better off being blissfully ignorant?

    I want nothing but to be positive and to see the world through rose-colored glasses but unfortunately, I can’t and most likely won’t. I see what’s there and act accordingly.

    Having pretty much ZERO respect for women is what’s called for when dealing with %99.999 of the hatchet-wounds that inhabit our planet.

    To quote one of the latest nutjobs I’ve had the pleasure of balling: “it is what is”.

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  224. on July 25, 2008 at 3:29 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    So DA, I have a few question for you…

    Being catholic as you appear to be… and you’ve said that you normally attend mass.

    Do you actually take the Eucharist unconfessed?

    If you do attend confession, how many times have you mentioned your Onanism to the Father?

    You know its against the rules found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church

    2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.

    “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”

    “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.”

    For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved. “

    You also realized that in Thomas Aquinas’ “Summa Theologiae” He places the crime of masturbation (onanism)
    as being a lesser sin then bestiality; but a far worse one then the sin of Incest with someone’s other mother, the sin of fornication, and the sin of rape.

    —————————————————————————

    bad very bad worst

    incest, rape, fornication > masturbation > animal sex

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    How many Our Fathers/ hail Marys have you been required to prayed penance?

    Triple Digits?

    You realize its a very deadly sin to take the Eucharist while in the state of unconfessed mortal or grave sin right?

    And that the Bible records that God has made men very ill and also killed men for doing so?

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  225. on July 25, 2008 at 3:49 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @233 Ryan

    “Oh now see that’s where you are dead wrong home-skillet. The phrase “kick a bitch”, is extremely profound. You just haven’t pondered it long enough to fully understand its magnitude.”

    Let me pass on something extremely profound to you…

    A very wise old man once told me this sage bit:

    “Never choose a man who kicks his dog, to be a business partner”

    I challenged him with a “why not?”

    He observed…

    “Such a man as this, will at some point beat his wife”

    I grasped the fundamental truth and beat him to the next statement

    “And any man who will beat his wife, will at some point betray you in the business partnership”

    So Ryan, which do you kick?

    a. female canine bitches
    b. the two legged variety
    c. both
    d. none of the above

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  226. Women like me are no longer required to be the collateral damage in your alpha-hottie war. God bless feminism!

    You don’t get it. You are collateral damage, right now. (One day forensic bloggers will look at this whole exchange and point to it as the moment where no-one, male or female could avoid the truth of the current state of affairs.)

    Your every post confirms it. Your every rationalization confirms it.

    In a proper civilization your two essences would be fully actualized. One essence is your value as a productive human being in a career creating market values for self and others.

    It’s your other essence, the creation of a value relationship with a male, a man you can look upto and admire, a psychological/physical pair-bonding worth having, of which you would be caretaker and steward, is withering to the point of nonexistence. That is the splinter in your mind, the unmet need. The sooner you accept that the sooner you will fall in with us rather than be a virtually ineffective Internet blog foil (redundancy deliberate).

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  227. yesterday I saw a video of Obama in Berlin, and this guy walks and looks like a Nerd. He walks in a goofy way and has that ultrathin neutered muscleless body, and his large ears make him look like a combination of Nerd and monkey.

    Here is article from Bild – the German version of USA Today – on Obama. The (female) Bild reporter happened to be in the hotel gym when he came in to work out. You probably won’t understand the German, but you can probably tell what she thinks of his “muscles” and his “powerful back” from all the
    exclamation marks.

    http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/politik/2008/07/25/barack-obama-bild-reporterin/zusammen-im-fitness-studio.html

    The last line “WAS FUER EIN MANN”, in caps, translates as “WHAT A MAN!”

    It’s obvious by any ordinary standard that if you combined all the alphaness in the alpha-iest alphas who spend all their alpha time on this site boasting about their irresistible alpha-ness, then you still wouldn’t have half the alpha Obama is.

    But of course, Obama is known to be a loyal family man who spends his time working on his career, being with his wife, and raising his kids. So perhaps he is actually a beta!

    I’m so confused.

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  228. 217 Gunslingergregi

    Am trying PA’s suggestion on using italics:

    She dies before he sees any flaws in her so she is always flawless.

    True love; the eternal unconditional sort has the flaws of another displayed in full technicolor but they are not “seen”. Recognized for what they are, yes, but without tarnishing the love. People in love look for the good in each other and the “bad” is stays out of focus.

    232 anon

    It is patently ridiculous to attempt to lay the current state of affairs entirely at the feet of either sex. You keep trying, though.

    If you’re visiting this site often, get used to it! I think it’s patently absurd myself. Agree TOTALLY. We are individuals and this stupid immature need to lump all of either sex into one big category with a few exceptions is ridiculous and creates prejudice or at least contributes to it’s continuing existence. Why to people do this? It makes them feel justified in their victimhood or their superiority and therefore is in service to the ego and a detriment to “society” and the quality of life on earth.

    233 Ryan

    Do you seriously think I want to see women for what they are? Wouldn’t I be MUCH better off being blissfully ignorant?

    I want nothing but to be positive and to see the world through rose-colored glasses but unfortunately, I can’t and most likely won’t. I see what’s there and act accordingly.

    Having pretty much ZERO respect for women is what’s called for when dealing with %99.999 of the hatchet-wounds that inhabit our planet.

    To quote one of the latest nutjobs I’ve had the pleasure of balling: “it is what is”.

    Ryan, in my humble opinion, you do represent the vast majority of miserable people on this planet. No offense and I mean it. The ONLY way to create change in your world is to stop looking at the “what is” that is so misery-making to the degree you do! Not that you don’t have to notice it and respond to it in some way.

    Yes, many years will moan at my insistence on spouting head-in-the-sand airy fairy bullshit new age garbage. Oh I wish that were all it was. What I’m saying is that YOUR personal world is worth improving. Fuck the rest of it and I mean that in the most compassionate way. Because if we do not as individuals clean our own minds and hearts (our inner world) from our own misery (and it is quite possible regardless of what the ‘reality’ is) then the outer world will continue to stink.

    So start with yourself. Do what you can–in fact you have a responsibility–to create an oasis of happiness for yourself. It’s not easy, but how rewarding. You’ll begin to find your own world a sweeter place to be and it can’t help but effect those around you. We are creators, not regurgitaters or blind carbon copies, or sheep or cogs in a wheel…. This is not rose-colored glass thinking, this is your power to change the world.

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  229. 234 S.A.M.

    And that the Bible records that God has made men very ill and also killed men for doing so?

    This is so stupid. #1 God never wrote one single word of anything. #2 The bible was written 2,000 years ago and has been changed, edited, reworded, whole sections eliminated many times over. #3 you are putting your faith in the humans who put “God’s word” on paper and how many have there been? Even Jesus’ own disciples were pure cowards. They ran off, leaving the women to take him down from the cross.

    You mean to say all those men were in complete alignment with God to the point that they could quote him verbatim? To believe this is lunacy. Have you ever played “the telephone game”?

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  230. 242 add on…

    Yes, I know, I’m an opinionated little cunt. LOL

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  231. on July 25, 2008 at 4:35 pm Milton Freedman

    testing

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  232. on July 25, 2008 at 4:40 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    236 El Guapo


    anon:
    Women like me are no longer required to be the collateral damage in your alpha-hottie war. God bless feminism!

    El Guapo
    You don’t get it. You are collateral damage, right now. (One day forensic bloggers will look at this whole exchange and point to it as the moment where no-one, male or female could avoid the truth of the current state of affairs.)

    Your every post confirms it. Your every rationalization confirms it.

    In a proper civilization your two essences would be fully actualized. One essence is your value as a productive human being in a career creating market values for self and others.

    It’s your other essence, the creation of a value relationship with a male, a man you can look up to and admire, a psychological/physical pair-bonding worth having, of which you would be caretaker and steward, is withering to the point of nonexistence. That is the splinter in your mind, the unmet need. The sooner you accept that the sooner you will fall in with us rather than be a virtually ineffective Internet blog foil (redundancy deliberate).

    And again, its not about “Women like me, collateral damage in an alpha-hottie war”

    It is about males (beta and alpha) countering a gender and class war that has put you into the dire straits that you are in now.

    So that someday, if you want a husband, he will be available for you. Right now, men are passing on the divorce lottery, in ever increasing number.

    I watch my maternal grandfather get cleaned out, and taken to the cleaners, not once but seven times, by Feminist women.

    I am not blind or stupid.

    The only woman who didn’t bend him over was his 1st wife, my granny. A real God fearing, man loving woman. And my grandfather’s biggest mistake was cheating on her.

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  233. 245 S.A.M.

    Sorry I can’t resist; trouble maker that I am.

    I watch my maternal grandfather get cleaned out, and taken to the cleaners, not once but seven times, by Feminist women.

    I am not blind or stupid.

    Maybe not but your dear grandfather certainly was. Does anyone take responsibility for their own misery anymore? This is hilarious.

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  234. on July 25, 2008 at 5:34 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @242 sara

    “You mean to say all those men were in complete alignment with God to the point that they could quote him verbatim? To believe this is lunacy. Have you ever played “the telephone game”?”

    No, I mean to say, (since you have gone and put words in my mouth, with the question “You mean to say”):

    When God so chooses, He overcomes the failures of men and women, to accomplish that which He chooses.

    I am not necessary to do defend God’s writing of that book. However, when you stand before Him, you will have to defend Your willful disbelief against this:

    “He in fact, did write it”.
    “You didn’t read it and act on it”.

    ——————————————————————————-
    #1 God never wrote one single word of anything.

    If you don’t like the music, please feel free to change the station.

    {little boy’s voice} “He did to”
    {little girls voice} “he did not”
    {little boy’s voice} “whatever silly girl”

    #2 The bible was written 2,000 years ago and has been changed, edited, reworded, whole sections eliminated many times over.

    A little known set of facts, about myself, Sara.

    In pursuit of the highest truth,
    I learned and Konine Greek (I spent seven years on Konine, as well as Linear A and B).

    I am able to read the Textus Receptus, the Septuagint and about 5000 photographic plates of the oldest known Greek papyri.

    I know what has been hacked in the later works, and what is missing in translation. I can show you the hacks that are still going on today.

    My word, the NIV translation failed to render over 8000 verses. You don’t have to tell me, there is some serious hankie pankie afoot. I know.

    I also know people can’t read proper English anymore. So the perfectly acceptable Duaii-Rheims, KJV, and Geneiva Bibles are very hard to use by the kids; who have been systematically and deliberately failed with incomplete educations in this country.

    Guess what? God still trumped all of this.

    Everything essential for developing a relationship with the Creator, and knowing Him is still intact.

    #3 you are putting your faith in the humans who put “God’s word” on paper and how many have there been?”

    a. I put my faith in the Creator long before I picked up any bibles, I sought Him out, and He lead me to the truth of the matter. So no, I didn’t ever put my faith in humans.

    b. Last check, English definitions are in excess of 62 translations / versions.

    Oddly enough, everyone one of them made crystal clear
    God’s Two Simple Rules:

    1. Love God and 2. Love humanity equally, without reservation.

    They all make it clear that Jesus was executed, died sinless, roses from his own death on the third day, and has gone to build a home for everyone who will bother to keep God’s two simple rules.

    Oh, and He is coming back.

    I think Sara, thats about when you and him, may have a chat about his Father’s book.

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  235. I have been enjoying your meticulous analysis of sexual dynamics for about a month now. Keep up the good work!

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  236. on July 25, 2008 at 5:42 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @246 sara

    “Maybe not but your dear grandfather certainly was. Does anyone take responsibility for their own misery anymore? This is hilarious”

    No, he never owned up to his self inflicted misery contributing mistakes either. His biggest one of these, after infidelty, was blindly trusting all women.

    He died penniless, and in ignorance of his own faults. A decade and a half ago. I was one of six pall bearers, that were all his grand sons.

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  237. David, you’re one of the most likeable characters I encounter on line, but I have to be harsh with you because I figured you to be smarter than that.

    Admittedly, that was very sloppy in terms of intellectual underpinnings, and I definitely will concede your point that your average black, Asian, or “Latino” lives better in the United States than their counterparts in the rest of the world.

    I was disappointed to see you slip into the “White People are Magical” mindset.

    I thought the magical function of white people was their IQ and medium levels of testosterone.

    This kind of thinking leads to envy

    Too late for that…

    envy leads to hate, and hate leads you know where.

    I have no reason to hate white people since they lucked out on the genetic monopoly and made the best use of their gifts and talents. In contrast, I have every reason to hate religious deities or nature in a fruitless attempt to feel better.

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  238. obviously, Obama can have amost any woman he wants, and the woman in the article was infatuated by him. Obama is rather tall (1, 87), but his body is too thin and weak. He did 10 situps and used extremely low weights (16kg). Now, for a session, 100 situps are minimum and 200 good. physically, I could beat the shit out simultaneously of two guys like him. However, he fascinates women. Why? Because of his social status and his speech. If he would have come into a McDonald uniform he would be invisible to women. Power makes men sexy, but a ugly old witch remains an ugly old witch even if she becomes the President of the US.

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  239. Thomas de Aquino bases his philosophy on Aristotheles, and should be taken very seriously.

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  240. on July 25, 2008 at 6:06 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    DA

    Yes, I have, and I have not confessed to masturbation because I feel it isn’t a sin.

    Then you are no longer really a catholic, because You do not accept what the church has ruled to be sin, and choose for yourself what rules you will keep.

    You are by RCC catholic definition “out of communion”.

    Now that you have snatched St. Peter’s Keys and now determine your personal doctrines, for your self.

    I have this to tell you:

    Welcome to Protestant-hood. You have joined the likes of Calvin, Luther, and Henry The Eighth.

    Except that unlike them, you are sneaking like a ninja to maintain your connection with the RCC by being covert in your private SIN rebellion again the RCC’s authority.

    I advise you to remember what the Pope pronounced Ex Cathedra: “There is no salvation found outside of the Catholic Church”.

    Please be aware that the Catholic faith does not teach “Once Saved Always Saved”.

    Go tell the Father in your diocese, that the The Catechism of the Catholic Church is wrong.

    Re: CCC 2352 “Masturbation”

    CCC 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties.

    It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other.

    It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others.

    It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

    See if he will still let you take mass then.

    I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU.

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  241. See if he will still let you take mass then.

    By the grace of God, no priest and his man-made “rules” will prevent me from taking the Eucharist.

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  242. 236: It’s your other essence, the creation of a value relationship with a male, a man you can look upto and admire, a psychological/physical pair-bonding worth having, of which you would be caretaker and steward, is withering to the point of nonexistence. That is the splinter in your mind, the unmet need. The sooner you accept that the sooner you will fall in with us rather than be a virtually ineffective Internet blog foil (redundancy deliberate).

    I’m not missing your point. I’m saying that the reality of life is that not every pot gets a lid. Not just now, but always. My lot in life is about 1,000 times better now than it would have been 30 years ago, so you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not looking longingly back at the 50s.

    If my only choice is to hunt down a guy to marry, who is resentful of me because he thinks he can “do better” and who will cheat on me given the opportunity and leave me after I’ve devoted my life to the care-taking of his, then I’m far better off as I am now. Not a spinster from the 50s, not locked into a loveless marriage because I’m dependent upon someone who wishes I were someone else, nor a burden to my extended family because I “couldn’t get a man.”

    A lot of needs go unmet in the world; you’re overestimating the importance of this one to someone who has other ambitions — and other things to offer. If this is the worst one I have to contend with, I’ll consider myself fortunate indeed.

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  243. Sara, almost everything you post is utterly incoherent, and as you have directly stated in the past, you have zero interest in explaining yourself.

    Please, go smoke your pot in the other room.

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  244. OK, folks, nothing more to see here…time to move on…

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  245. 261 animus

    Devlin may not be right on all counts, but what he’s brining is close enough to home to scare the crap out of some people. Brilliant, and thanks for bringing it up.

    Well, if I’m wearing rose-colored glasses you’re wearing shit-colored glasses and I’m really sorry but you’re wrong about the pot. Try again.

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  246. DA, as one who can speak to this, no orgasm is better than one with someone you love.

    Now, whether that’s a woman, man or your fist is another story…

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  247. Gannon 112-I find the exact opposite true. Most women look in the mirror and see only the most obvious flaw, about which they obsess. Men look in the mirror and see the same guy they were 15 years ago.

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  248. on July 25, 2008 at 8:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    SovereignAmericanMale Said
    “And any man who will beat his wife, will at some point betray you in the business partnership”

    Doesn’t the bible talk about spanking your wife or something or maybe that is the coran or maybe both to keep them in check?

    Would you say the same thing about someone spanking there child for discipline?

    I broke my parents from spanking in 4th grade because I am strong willed and could not be spanked into compliance with something or threatened or coerced. My mom yelled at my sister her whole teenage life. Which do you think was worse being yelled at and derided or spanked with belts or hand or whatever until it didn’t work? They pretty much left me alone in the yelling department. I guess men are somewhat lucky in that respect. I think my parents just respected me as a man in 4th grade and that was it for bs pretty much. I’d rather take a beating than have someone make fun of me or push paper on me that lasts forever. Beatings are quick and are usually over words and print are painfull and last forever. There is also really no outlet today for a man to be physical only some talking shit this is also bs.

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  249. on July 25, 2008 at 8:37 pm Comment_Hope

    Reply to 207. “You didn’t say Statement 1 or Statement 2.”

    Yes you did. In Reply 164.

    Of course if you want to play games, you merely “Quoted for Truth” and didn’t actually SAY. If that makes you feel better, fine.

    And yes, I have witnessed women taking from one man and giving to another. Or taking from their kid and giving to another. Or any variation of being IN CHARGE and rearranging things the way they FEEL they should be. For every “enemy” they benefit, there is someone else who they HURT. That’s the problem with Redistribution. It is Liberalism writ small.

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  250. El Guapo, read Dan Jenkins “Semi Tough” for and excellent 1-10 rating sysytem.

    FWIW, Jenkins agrees that there was, is and will never be a 10.

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  251. For every “enemy” they benefit, there is someone else who they HURT. That’s the problem with Redistribution. It is Liberalism writ small.

    You are absolutely right. For every moment we spend doing one thing, there is something or someone else we are not attending to or caring for.

    Realize that the commenters whose statements I quoted were men. If you have an issue to pick with those statements, take it up higher.

    Pardon me, but I have other matters at present, and typing comments is not conducive, and your anger at me, though misplaced, is not something I can address.

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  252. Sara, you just proved my point. No one accused you of wearing rose colored glasses. And why am I wearing shit colored ones? You’re incoherent. You make a passing remark about Thomas Aquinas describing Satan instead of God, with no explanation, and then something about at least quoting real people? Where did that come from? Your comments do not flow logically.

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  253. on July 25, 2008 at 9:12 pm Comment_Obama

    ****
    But of course, Obama is known to be a loyal family man who spends his time working on his career, being with his wife, and raising his kids. So perhaps he is actually a beta!
    ****
    When reading the below, it is important to consider:
    Obama’s mother was also a nut. As was his grandfather. Obama owes EVERYTHING to his maternal grandmother, who he betrayed. I suggest the women who want to sex him think about THAT.

    Little story about Obama “Dreams of My Father” and “Through Granny Under The Truck” boy:

    His parents had a very modern, very real relationship. Obama’s father, the first black man on that college campus, knocked up a seventeen year old girl, Obama’s mama. He did this while still married to another woman. He was forced by “the man” to marry her, but abandoned her and went back to Africa two-three years later anyway.

    From Wikipedia:
    ‘On February 2, 1961, Obama Sr. married a fellow student, Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii.[12] She did not know that he already had a wife in Kenya.[5] Their son, Barack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961. Two years later, Obama Sr. was accepted at Harvard for graduate study. He moved to Massachusetts, unable to afford to take his wife and son with him. He and Dunham divorced in 1963, divorce filed in Honolulu, Hawaii in January 1964, and he only saw his son again once, at age 10. He received the AM degree from Harvard in 1965.[13]’

    Oh, and Obama’s daddy didn’t pay child support either.

    This is what is called a “double standard”.

    Why, exactly, I would like to know, is Obama “proud” of his daddy? Is he “proud” daddy killed someone in a drunken car wreck or “proud” daddy abandoned mommy, or “proud” daddy killed himself in a drunken car wreck? What exactly is Obama “proud” of, in his Daddy? REALLY.

    This person is a presidential canidate. Is that funny? I don’t know, is it?

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  254. I mean, I game partly out of desperation at the soulless consumerism of modern life (I am desperate for a connection, and that is the most powerful connection I know) and partly because (as a three-time terror survivor) I am not “normal”, and the hunt is a way of retraining myself to desire, to engage as a normal human being (instead of hunted prey of Islamists) and to trust that the bookstore will not blow up (this time) while running my spiel.

    I do agree with DA about the sexual aporia of modern life, but ascribe it to the effects of handling scholarly abstractions for a living, coupled with my status as a refugee from Orthodox Judaism, which is at least as all-encompassing in its anxiety about sin and its regulation of sexual and romantic life as Catholicism.

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  255. on July 25, 2008 at 10:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sara said,
    Maybe not but your dear grandfather certainly was. Does anyone take responsibility for their own misery anymore? This is hilarious.

    Had to teach myself excel not learning qoutes lol

    Responsibility for misery is no longer on the person. There responsibility was taken away by the government where they are told everything they are responsible for. There are no longer very many choices in life for a lot of things to take responsibility for. You are made to do things just like a parent try to make you do things except the state says to do it and unlike your parents they can throw your ass in jail for non compliance.

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  256. MQ: I’m so confused.

    no you’re not. an alpha male can *potentially* score lots of hot pussy, even if he chooses not to. (and in obama’s case, choosing not to cash in on his newfound alpha fame is a necessary virtue to keep himself politically viable.)
    i’ve written before about this before.

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  257. on July 25, 2008 at 4:24 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @232 Anonymous

    Me:
    “The best chances for 6s such as yourself, died in the 1950s.”

    Actually, the best chances for 6s such as myself are right now, this very moment. We can support ourselves just fine without you, and needn’t bother slotting ourselves into your fucked-up, retro caste system. Which should please you, anyway, since what self-respecting, self-important alpha would settle for a *6*?!

    Nice attempted exegeses of my source statement, too bad you had to twist it out of its context. Which is: american 6s who cant find a husband today.

    And its not about “Women like me, collateral damage in an alpha-hottie war”

    According to you, I am a self-respecting, and self important alpha.

    Oddly enough, my Australian finance is about a 6, with a IQ score higher than my fathers (he was Mensa) with a leadable- teachable humility that makes her all the sweeter.

    Why did God put her in another country besides the USA?
    Because who my counterpart has to be, she has to come from a different English speaking culture.

    Because she is my soul mate, the package she came in was not relevant. While her Greek, Italian and Irish roots gave her great genetic dice, to shoot for beauty with she wound up with better wifely traits.

    She met my 96 point standard, with no problems. I have sown enough oats, its time to settle down again. Had my 1st wife, not died, I would still be married to her. Btw She was a 6 as well.

    Incredible stunning beauty (8s 9s 10s) makes for a poor wife IMO. She is more obstinate, proud and approached for extramarital affairs, far more often. And I have done to much dirt with ladies such as these, to have any peace of mind about having one for a wife.

    —————————————————————————-
    “You really are the most nonsensical poster on here.”

    Hey H, don’t look now, but the girls are starting to think I am more nonsensical then you. You may have to dial it up.

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  258. @260

    In the widest sense possible, that is the saddest post I ever read.

    The attitude and reasons you displayed for allowing one fundamental essence to drop by the wayside, is the very indictment (and proof positive of the state) of the system that we are describing in these threads.

    I leave you to your endeavors.

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  259. Clio
    Here is the best Canadian blog http://no-maam.blogspot.com/ enjoy!

    CH
    A nice compliment to these articles is J.D. Unwin’s “Sex and Culture.” If you haven’t read it, a brief summary: Unwin was a Psychiatrist writing in the 1930’s. He studied several advanced civilizations(including Sumerians, Greeks, Romans and others) throughout history related to their view of sexuality and roles for men and women. He found what they all had in common before their demise (generally by a strong patriarchy) was that as they rose, they were strong patriarchies with strict control of women’s behavior. About 2 generations before they fell to another strong patriarchy, they all gave women more rights regarding promiscuity, divorce, politics and property. He was rather surprised by these results as a rather liberal man himself. If his theory is correct, we’ve had about 2 generations of matriarchy now.

    About divorce and marriage: if we just treated marriage as a legal contract, like all other legal contracts, this would probably cut down on the excesses. The contract would stipulate duties for each party. If one party breaks their end of the bargain, they do not get rewarded with custody of the children or money from their former spouse. Any allegations of abuse, mistreatment or breaking of the contract require proof.

    Brought to you by an average looking, Jesus freak, Ron Paul supporter 🙂

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  260. on July 25, 2008 at 11:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    from Anonymous
    214: “Just requires work and time but we all can be millionaires.”

    And I think this is a huge part of what’s creating the problem.

    If, as has been posited here, women are essentially born with potential for true hotness or they aren’t (i.e., they can’t achieve it by hard work alone,) while men garner a lot of their status from what they’re able to achieve, then it seems likely that the pool of desireable women remains fairly consistent.

    The pool of alphas & alpha-wannabes, however, has increased significantly in the last generation or two. There are more men achieving extravagant wealth/power at a younger age than there have ever been, yet they’re all competing for the same pool of females.

    I think that affluence — and the sense of privilege & entitlement that comes with it — has done a lot more to bring about the current situation than anything else has.

    You don’t maybe think it might be the millions of woman and men who got fucked over in divorce people are losing a little hope even though it is easy to leave the system behind.

    Why do people feel so desperate even though we have opportunity.

    Why is it that we are fucked up even though Anyone can make it in the us that makes somewhat decent money which is almost any couple. I am of course talking even if you have to work minimum wage job in the states 84 hours per week each man and woman keep it equal. Lets say move to area where you can make 10 dollars hour at mcyd’s. 840 each a week times 2 = 1680 a week times 52 weeks = 87360 a year. Get a cheap apartment fuck like rabbits on the time off for fun. Hopefully don’t get her preggers. Don’t tell me you can’t work 84 hours a week either I have been doing it for 4 years. Anyway yea why aren’t people getting rich though?

    It takes a special woman to allow a man to be rich it also takes being able to say no to the woman. In the us men are not allowed to say no on things to the woman they can not afford to piss her off as the state and her, hold his balls in a tight leash.

    Anon get in shape. Think about what you offer a man I mean really think about it. Find a man with a dream and back him fully in it with all your heart and soul. You will create a rich man and also be rich yourself in more than just material posessions. It is what my woman has done.

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  261. after a few years of marriage the attraction buzz has dissipated too. At that point, many women may find that marriage hasn’t even come close to meeting their expectations. Some women feel stupid for having wanted it so badly in the first place

    From my experience, this is very true. A lot of bitter stay at home moms feel this way. They are the MOMS who gain an excessive amount of weight after the babies are born and do not put in any effort into their appearance. They take on anger on their husbands through their chronic nagging about the smallest thing 24/7.

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  262. Do you actually take the Eucharist unconfessed?

    Yes, I have, and I have not confessed to masturbation because I feel it isn’t a sin. Just like how other Catholics are divorcing or using birth control.

    I totally date 6s and 7s with good personalities. Good personalities can be found, even in DC.

    I wonder why you’ve been able to find them, and Roosh V are unable to find them.

    yesterday I saw a video of Obama in Berlin, and this guy walks and looks like a Nerd

    The legacy of Urkel and Carlton is at hand. Maybe that’s why whites like him so much…

    I would steer clear of you on those criteria, yes, largely because it would only be a matter of time before you started to resent me for being self-sufficient.

    Admittedly, I’d probably resent you as a female friend too even if you had a great personality. I still feel this need to dominate over the people around me, and for others to kiss my ass and treat me like a deity. So while people are telling me that I have to become more social and meet new people, I’m reluctant to do that since I have a low social status compared to people with real careers and real incomes.

    Well, first of all, I am a sexual creature, whether or not anyone happens to be having sex with me. Also, not getting a lot of sex does not automatically equal not wanting sex, or being lousy at it.

    I’ve always had this convoluted theory that if women wanted sex, they’d dress up and act like porn stars and go out and chase men for the sex that they want. Of course, this discounts centuries of built up social-constructed and naturally evolved behaviours women developed to deal with the consequences of sexual acts.

    There was a time when women were feminine, and conducive to being wooed into wedded bliss.

    The only options were spinsterhood, religious life, and marriage. Given the downsides of the first two options, the third seems rather tolerable.

    Males looked beyond just externals, and were much more forgiving and wedded, what would be 4s and 5s deemed by current standards.

    Yes, and I don’t think men are willing to go back to that era either. You’ve presented no reason as to why I should go court a 4 when a porn queen can give me a healthy dose of delusion.

    Actually, the best chances for 6s such as myself are right now, this very moment.

    This is primarily why the current system works for me. I don’t have to worry about women trying to court me in order to support themselves and avoid poverty. Women can support themselves without bothering men, and men are free to enjoy themselves without being hampered by wives or children. Men are no longer being forced into socially prescribed relationships that destroy their happiness and freedom, nor are women. Women are free to chase after alpha males that will please them and make them content, and men are free to masturbate to the sexualized women that simply cannot exist in our current real world structure. In other words, both groups are free to maximize their own happiness.

    the creation of a value relationship with a male, a man you can look upto and admire, a psychological/physical pair-bonding worth having, of which you would be caretaker and steward, is withering to the point of nonexistence.

    The problem is that there’s no incentive for me to deal with that essence. That so-called essence is pointless when she secretly desires a richer, better looking, alpha male who will bring her to sexual release in a way that I will simply never be able to. In turn, why should I deal a woman who will never be able to meet my sexual needs and desires and saddle me with ugly loser children? There are no benefits, but simply only drawbacks.

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  263. @269

    It’s really not that important to me. If your ordinal system simply counts to 9 so be it.

    I have met women that are, for all intents and purposes, 10’s. I am satisfied that from time to time, I have had sex with the hottest (and sometimes nicest) of the Hotts™.

    Given the state of the world and of the gender war, that’s more than enough.

    And speaking of Hotts™, it is time to put on The Game clothes and waltz a Hott™ to my bedroom tonight. I think I will drive over to Santa Monica and try out the R+D Kitchen as a new hunting ground…

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  264. S.A.M

    You also realized that in Thomas Aquinas’ “Summa Theologiae” He places the crime of masturbation (onanism)
    as being a lesser sin then bestiality; but a far worse one then the sin of Incest with someone’s other mother, the sin of fornication, and the sin of rape.

    Well, you’re describing Satan here, not God. It’s a common mistake. At least I quote real living or dead human beings whether anyone likes what they said or not, but this drivel? It’s horrendous bullshit is all I can say and has been the contributor to more human misery than Adolph Hitler. End of subject for me anyway.

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  265. Anyway yea why aren’t people getting rich though?

    Because the other vile system, the IRS, and the multi-trillion regulatory environment, suck from lower echelon of the productive class that most priceless of commodities, the ability to accumulate surplus capital for investment. Thus the miracle of compounding is denied them, and by extension, real wealth.

    You want more millionaires? Kill the IRS, replace it with a 5% income tax on everyone over $100K and the economy will boom in ways never seen.

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  266. on July 25, 2008 at 11:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thing is the police state is administered by men. I think a lot are sick in the soul of administering it.

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  267. but close observers tend to estimate that women are responsible for about nine-tenths of the divorcing and breakingup: Men do not love them and leave them, but love them and get left by them

    Funny how men like to blame women for divorce. Do you realize that it’s a two way street. Why should a woman stay with a man who exposes her to STDs after he has slept with everything in town including her own friends and family. What about the man who thinks his holding down a 9-5 is enough, and refuses to do any type of housework.

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  268. on July 26, 2008 at 12:15 am Gunslingergregi

    To an extent but if woman where equal partners in the rat race more people should still be getting ahead. I think it is that a woman fears when a man really has money because they know dang well that he can easily get another woman. Why the propensity to put everything into hard assets that they would prob get in divorce. Thing is most of the stories where the woman cuts out with the money that the guys working here make in a year saving. The woman come back in a couple months with nothing talking about maybe they should get back together lol Like dang maybe should of really thought through how far that 30 or 60k was going to get you in real life.

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  269. on July 26, 2008 at 12:28 am Gunslingergregi

    From SovereignAmericanMale
    “1. Love God and 2. Love humanity equally, without reservation.

    They all make it clear that Jesus was executed, died sinless, roses from his own death on the third day, and has gone to build a home for everyone who will bother to keep God’s two simple rules.

    Oh, and He is coming back.”

    Check it out though man. I kept hearing about God’s Love and how he loves us more than anyone can imagine and all that growing up.
    Couple things don’t add up. Like going to hell for killing yourself. Things like masterbation. Shit if that is true I would be going to hell. I masturbate since I am not with my woman and have been able to say no to the advances of woman I work with that I have been around.

    Tell me why he would condemn any of us to eternal damnation for what we do here on earth. Tell me the truth of that as you see it.

    I could forgive my current woman anything at this point up to and including infedelity (I may have to kill her but I would forgive her). How is Gods love different than mine. How is it better or is Gods love better. There is definetly some good stuff to follow in the bible but it seems to conflict.

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  270. I won’t pretend to answer for S.A.M. as he very likely has more theology chops than I do, but…

    Just because one Christian group holds a thing to be true doesn’t mean it IS true and it certainly doesn’t mean there aren’t other Christian groups who feel differently. The masturbation thing often stems from two places. A) First and foremost, the ‘sin of Onan’. Onan’s brother died. God told him to take his brother’s wife and give her a child. Onan was doing the deed and pulled out, blowing his wad on the ground. God killed him then and there. Some see this as the idea that semen spilled anywhere but inside a vagina is evil. Others see it as God killing Onan for disobedience. The second piece comes from Jesus where he says that any man who looks at another woman lustfully has already committed adultery in his heart. Since masturbation tends to involve lust, it’s bad. Some Christian groups will say that if you masturbate but do not have lustful thoughts, then strictly there is nothing wrong with it. And does that definition of adultery extend to the unmarried? There’s the whole cultural relevance bit, which goes like this. Basically in those times any girl who had hit puberty was married. And there are those who have a different view which is that Jesus was making a point not about a specific sin, but rather that man is incapable of not sinning and is extremely imperfect. You are in a default state of sinning all the freakin’ time; you can’t NOT be guilty of this.

    The problem with theology is that many rejections of God on the basis of dogma, or even The Problem of Evil are rooted in specific interpretations. Each view has it’s own associated issues. Do note that this is different than the ‘God is improbable/there is no evidence’ argumentation, as it’s not theological…

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  271. “Basically in those times any girl who had hit puberty was married”
    That’s a tradition we should have maintained.

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  272. 240: Hey, don’t look now, but the girls are starting to think I am more nonsensical then you. You may have to dial it up.

    I may not agree with his perception of the world — and in fact I don’t, most of the time — but he is seldom nonsensical. When he is, it’s usually in the service of making a point. I think his logic is flawed, but at least his arguments are internally consistent.

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  273. on July 25, 2008 at 7:30 pm johnny five

    i really hate getting sucked into the david alexander vortex again, but:

    It’s highly likely that you don’t look or act like a porn star, so you wouldn’t meet my sexual needs.

    bullshit.

    you pretend to be attracted ONLY to white porn-star-like women with specific nails, clothes, etc., to rationalize being too much of a pussy to approach real-life, flesh-and-blood women.

    da, ALL red-blooded heterosexual men are attracted to many different facets of the gem that is femininity. if you are heterosexual, you, too, will be attracted to, and will thoroughly enjoy fucking, many different kinds of attractive females.
    you may have preferences – we all do – but you’re kidding yourself by misrepresenting those preferences as absolute requirements or “needs”.
    so quit lying to yourself already, sack up, and go interact with real, live women. they don’t bite.
    unless you want them to.

    alternatively, if you really don’t feel attraction for any women other than the animated blow-up dolls you’ve mentioned, then just get it over with, come out of the closet, and start sucking cock already. it’s the 21st century, so your favorite deity will forgive you. no worries.

    the worst part is that you, as a black male, occupy the highest locus on the no-strings-attached-sex totem pole; you could be a successful player with a small fraction of the effort and game required of white Dorimants.
    it’s a fucking buffet out there, you were born with silverware in your hand, and you’re starving because the food won’t serve itself.
    sack up.

    also:

    I have a low social status compared to people with real careers and real incomes.

    one:
    so shut up and do something about it.
    yes, i understand you’re currently in school, but that doesn’t address the “shut up” half.

    two:
    a prestigious career and income are neither necessary nor sufficient for social status.

    I still feel this need to dominate over the people around me, and for others to kiss my ass and treat me like a deity.

    then learn some game.
    also, learn that the bullshit social theories you so fervently espouse are the reason why you couldn’t dominate my 9-year-old cousin.

    he is here to help.
    as am i, and your countryman t., and a whole host of other posters whose views you so consistently and misguidedly attempt to repudiate.

    so open your mind, realize that everything you “know” is wrong, read, and learn.

    and for the love of god, sack up.

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  274. Johnny Five:

    the worst part is that you, as a black male, occupy the highest locus on the no-strings-attached-sex totem pole; you could be a successful player with a small fraction of the effort and game required of white Dorimants like H.
    it’s a fucking buffet out there, you were born with silverware in your hand, and you’re starving because the food won’t serve itself.
    sack up.

    I applaud sir. Masterstroke

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  275. on July 26, 2008 at 2:09 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @267 Gunslingergregi

    SovereignAmericanMale Said
    “And any man who will beat his wife, will at some point betray you in the business partnership”

    Doesn’t the bible talk about spanking your wife or something or maybe that is the coran or maybe both to keep them in check?
    Would you say the same thing about someone spanking there child for discipline?

    There is nothing in the Old or New Testaments authorizing a husband to beat his wife.

    I don’t know about the Koran, but given that Mohammad’s 4th wife was an 8 or 9 year old, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is.

    The beating I am talking about isn’t 10 swats with a belt, slaps with the palm of the hand or a paddle.

    I am talking about the beatings that send wives, and GFs to the ICU, that breaks bones, knocks out teeth. Commonly called domestic violence.

    Oh, have you ever hear the expression “Rule of Thumb”?

    It comes from a Law in the US and UK that allowed for a husband, to discipline his woman, with a branch from a tree no thicker then the thickness of his thumb. It was created so men would stop accidently killing women when disciplining thier spouses.

    IMHO I think a three foot section of rubber hose works wonders for pain complince. But phisical punishment should be tempered with reason, common sense, and mercy.

    Back to the lovers of Robert Heinlein…

    Robert Heinlein makes it clear husbands and fathers should take a female accross his knees to set her straight.

    “I broke my parents from spanking in 4th grade because I am strong willed and could not be spanked into compliance with something or threatened or coerced. My mom yelled at my sister her whole teenage life. Which do you think was worse being yelled at and derided or spanked with belts or hand or whatever until it didn’t work?

    Gun, your mother harmed your sister emotionally, in the same way that husbands beat a wife.”

    @285 Gunslingergregi

    Check it out though man. I kept hearing about God’s Love and how he loves us more than anyone can imagine and all that growing up.
    Couple things don’t add up. Like going to hell for killing yourself. Things like masterbation. Shit if that is true I would be going to hell. I masturbate since I am not with my woman and have been able to say no to the advances of woman I work with that I have been around.

    Tell me why he would condemn any of us to eternal damnation for what we do here on earth. Tell me the truth of that as you see it.

    OK personally, I don’t by the doctrine that suicide causes a trip to hell. Its not inline with the merciful nature of God. God doesn’t damn the mentally ill. You have to be capable of repentance (changing your mind about being selfish, and your actions) to be judged for failure to do so.

    My comments to David Alex on masturbation, were on his Religion called the Roman Catholic Church. Not about a personal relationship with the Creator.

    Why He would condemn any of us to eternal damnation?

    Its more like there is two outcomes for life, Those who become selfless lovers of humanity, will inherit a Kingdom where the law of love is in full effect.

    The other is the place for those who did everything harmful to others in their life. God’s Love cannot cancel His Perfect Justice. There is no getting away with harming God’s creatures (namely humans) or hating Him (atheism).

    If you are a serial killer who kills 50 people and never gets caught by law enforcement, do you really think that he will get away with it? A good example would be the Zodiac Killer in LA.

    —————————————————————————-

    I could forgive my current woman anything at this point up to and including infedelity (I may have to kill her but I would forgive her). How is Gods love different than mine. How is it better or is Gods love better. There is definetly some good stuff to follow in the bible but it seems to conflict.

    How is God’s love different? He is perfect, and we humans are not. His wisdom is 1000x what ours will be, so He knows better how to perform the action called love.

    God showed his Love to a woman who got boxed up with an adultery charge and was going to be stoned to death.

    He had his Son tell her, “Go live your life but stop missing the Target”. He believes in second chances for the Repenting Humans.

    The Target is found in God’s two simple rules.

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  276. anon 18 said:Men are biologically motivated by sex and they are indoctrinated by society to act a certain way (polite, chivalrous, etc.) in order to get sex. At a certain point, earlier for others, betas who have been unsuccessful in their goal realize the truth behind how women work and think and become angry that they’ve been duped

    I agree

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  277. on July 26, 2008 at 2:34 am obvious statement

    it’s too bad god doesn’t exist.

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  278. on July 26, 2008 at 2:35 am obvious statement

    or isn’t real

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  279. on July 26, 2008 at 2:38 am obvious statement

    @283 “What about the man who thinks his holding down a 9-5 is enough, and refuses to do any type of housework.”

    you’re joking, right? First off, for the vast majority of the people, it isn’t 9-5. It’s more 7:30 – 6. Secondly, do you have any idea how many men would switch places in a second if they had to “do all the housework” in exchange for their “9-5” ?

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  280. on July 26, 2008 at 2:38 am obvious statement

    @283 — is chic noire. interested in whether you being serious or not

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  281. DA, as one who can speak to this, no orgasm is better than one with someone you love.

    You may love her, but she may love the alpha boss at work.

    then I’m far better off as I am now

    TRUTH!

    i really hate getting sucked into the david alexander vortex again

    I do too, but somehow we always end up this point…

    you pretend to be attracted ONLY to white porn-star-like women with specific nails, clothes, etc., to rationalize being too much of a pussy to approach real-life, flesh-and-blood women

    The problem is that most of the women that I meet on a daily basis in various public spheres are simply lacking in any sexual appeal to me. Some of these women are beautiful, but I simply can’t put these women into a sexual context because they’re lacking in the sexual accoutrement that I need to get an orgasm. Once the older chick dumped the nails, make up, high heels, and slutty clothes, the orgasmless sex (for me) became useless and erections could barely form. At that point, I relegated her to the friend zone (she’s not alone there), and she found other men willing to have sex with her.

    There are plenty of men who have various needs which we happen to call fetishes. In my case, it’s that the fetish requires more to simply instigate strong sexual activity.

    they don’t bite.

    The bite, they mock, and they fake orgasms. Besides, why should I go waste my time with a woman who secretly longs for the player and is simply using me until she can find a better guy?

    then just get it over with, come out of the closet, and start sucking cock already

    Except I don’t find men attractive either. Ooops. Trust me, if I was gay, I would have been out and about having fun getting my rocks off.

    as a black male, occupy the highest locus on the no-strings-attached-sex totem pole

    If I play around ugly looking ghetto black women, then yes, I probably could secure no-strings-attached-sex, but I prefer to come across as a quiet oreo instead of some over hyped overly masculine black male. Given the choice, I am more comfortable with who I am as a person, and I would eschew any attempt to be the faux thug/player to appeal to some girl of any race.

    Trust me, CH may require more game and effort compared to an average black guy, but nobody views him as potential rapist/criminal or whatever deluded negative characteristic is assigned to black men.

    you were born with silverware in your hand, and you’re starving because the food won’t serve itself

    I don’t eat from shit stained silverware.

    so shut up and do something about it.

    Admittedly, I’m impatient, but I have nobody but myself to blame for continually fucking up in school. At least I’m past the half-way point… 🙂

    a prestigious career and income are neither necessary nor sufficient for social status.

    You must be kidding me. I assure you that if I tried to play myself off as a big man with no college degree and career in front of a bunch of whites with money, they’d give nice smiles for now, but once I left, the tone of the conversation would turn to verbally assaults towards a “boorish” personality.

    then learn some game.

    Game is something that lurks within the souls of men like yourself. It works for you because it was always there and it was simply within time that you were able to release its power to work for you. For a small minority of men, game does not exist within them and no attempt to instill its power will work. These men are simply not compatible with it, and will never be happy in the short or long-term with its use.

    In short, for every Roosh who lurks for prey, there must be anti-Roosh as his counterpart.

    and for the love of god, sack up.

    I sacked up and accepted my fate in the same way that you have accepted yours.

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  282. By the way, catholics who don’t recognize the authority of rome or don’t recognize papal teachings are NOT real catholics.
    So a church who marries gays or has female priests is NOt roman catholic.
    Sin no more, DA, and go confess yourself.

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  283. Comment 80 suggests a porn addiction. If true, I’m sorry. That must be an awful burden, one that so many men seem to be carrying these days. Fortunately, there are programs to help with that. Good luck!

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  284. on July 26, 2008 at 3:19 am SovereignAmericanMale

    286 Animus

    God told him to take his brother’s wife and give her a child. Onan was doing the deed and pulled out, blowing his wad on the ground. God killed him then and there.

    More accurately, God told Moses a bunch of Laws, and among the laws was a law to protect bloodlines and personal property.

    The law in question is called the Leverite Law.

    Here is the Leverite Law:

    Deuteronomy 25:5-6.

    “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married outside of the family to a stranger; her husband’s brother shall go in to her, and take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her. And the first son whom she bears shall succeed to the name of his brother who is dead, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel.”

    So unless he gets lucky, he is going to be stuck fucking her for years. Imagine her having like 12 daughters before getting a son for the departed’s line.

    Also, because she is in the same home as his wife (the sister in law and the wife will sync up on their periods),

    and the other sex laws (re: her flow of blood) that mean sex is only permitted for two weeks out of the month, its going to cut into the quality time He wants to spend with his wife.

    So Onan knew his legal duty. He also knew, if he didn’t give his former sister in law a son, He would inherit his brother’s goods.

    Money and goods, a motive for criminal activities???

    Nah… But wait… he had to turn down available Non-wife, pussy to get the goods.

    The fact that God killed Onan, makes His views on

    1. theft
    2. continuing bloodlines
    3. grounding your seed instead of putting it past a former sister in law’s cervix (Contraception: spilling semen in a non productive manner)

    (at least for the children of Israel) very very clear.

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  285. on July 26, 2008 at 3:29 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @290 obvious statement

    it’s too bad god doesn’t exist.

    @291 obvious statement

    or isn’t real

    ——————————————————————————-

    Its too bad, after you die, you will find out that you were wrong.

    Oh well… Good luck on that.

    Please enjoy life to the fullest while down here. Eat Drink and be Merry.

    Sometime within the next 120 years, you will join the black parade.

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  286. 276: The attitude and reasons you displayed for allowing one fundamental essence to drop by the wayside, is the very indictment (and proof positive of the state) of the system that we are describing in these threads.

    You posted yourself that the current state of affairs leaves 6s and below out in the cold, and yet you hold me responsible for “allowing” this “fundamental essence to drop by the wayside.” The only thing that’s proof of is that you really believe the woman is always at fault. We’re at fault if we turn men away, and we’re at fault if we end up alone even though we’re not turning them away.

    I don’t define my sense of worth by whether or not I have a man. What’s truly sad is that you do.

    277: Anon get in shape. Think about what you offer a man I mean really think about it. Find a man with a dream and back him fully in it with all your heart and soul. You will create a rich man and also be rich yourself in more than just material posessions. It is what my woman has done.

    Where do you get the idea that I’m not already “in shape”? I offer a man true companionship, but fellas, I have dreams of my own, as well. I’m not back-burnering them to live up to your incredibly narrow view of what a woman “should” be, sorry.

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  287. on July 26, 2008 at 5:19 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @278 chicnoir

    From my experience, this is very true. A lot of bitter stay at home moms feel this way. They are the MOMS who gain an excessive amount of weight after the babies are born and do not put in any effort into their appearance. They take on anger on their husbands through their chronic nagging about the smallest thing 24/7.

    Solutions include, but are not limited to:

    mandatory exercise for the fat momma, a ball gag, and choosing a mother from a culture that doesn’t raise women to nag.

    This brings to mind the fat nagging Jewess from queens, I lived next door to. She had a beautiful nineteen year old daughter who was always making eyes at me.

    I was always laughing at her, and one day told her:

    “fate has dealt you a bad hand. If you had a different mother we coulda been something special.”

    She asked me: “Is it because we are jewish?”

    I shook my head no, kissed her forehead and replied:

    “Its because, when the flower bloom of your beauty fades, You will turn into your critical mother, and judging by your father’s unhappiness this will be a bad thing”

    Thou shalt not choose not a henpecking mother in law!

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  288. on July 25, 2008 at 11:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    The irony is that in the course of dismantling millennia of biologically-grounded cultural tradition and enacting their hypergamous sexual utopia, women have unwittingly made life more difficult for all but the most attractive of them. The result has been more cougars, more sluts, and more demand for DNA paternity testing. To prevent this edifice from crumbling under its own weight entirely, massive redistributive payments from men to women in the form of welfare, alimony, punitive child support (even from men who aren’t the biological fathers!), female- and child-friendly workplaces, legal injustice (women in general do not give a shit about justice), corporate-sponsored daycare, PC extortion, sexual harassment claims, and divorce theft have had to be ruthlessly administered and enforced by the thugs of the rapidly metastasizing elite-created police state. Remove these security and resource transfers and safety nets and you will see the feminist utopia crumble within one generation.

    The most potent post I have seen here. Dang the cat is out of the bag in a paragraph.

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  289. 272 Animus

    Your comments do not flow logically.

    Well to the one I’m speaking to they generally do, and generally that is not you. You mean you can’t follow my every word and thought? I’m shocked. LOL

    285 Gunslinger

    I could forgive my current woman anything at this point up to and including infedelity (I may have to kill her but I would forgive her).

    You may HAVE to kill her? Jesus. Sometimes I simply cannot believe how stupid people are on this site. I mean, why bother? Please wake up and listen to your words, man. This reminds me of the lyrics from the Randy Newman song “Shame”.

    Do you know what it feels like,
    to have to beg a little bum like you for love?
    Goddamn you, you little bitch!
    I’d kill you, if I didn’t love you so much!

    I think I come here sometimes just so I can feel intelligent. Please gunslinger, read a book or something. LOL

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  290. on July 26, 2008 at 8:00 am SovereignAmericanMale

    302 sara

    I think I come here sometimes just so I can feel intelligent. Please gunslinger, read a book or something. LOL

    Smug and condescending bring much appeal to your personality.

    But a fatal flaw appears:

    feeling intelligent does not make one so.

    Cold fact: intelligence is not a function of emotion nor is emotion a function of intelligence.

    Subtle implication given by sara…

    She doesn’t come here to learn. She doesn’t think she may learn from here. In the way a goddess cannot learn from her subjects, only be entertained by them.

    Well to the one I’m speaking to they generally do, and generally that is not you. You mean you can’t follow my every word and thought? I’m shocked. LOL

    You truly are a female.

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  291. on July 26, 2008 at 8:39 am InterestedParty

    David Alexander has some insightful comments about settling. His only weakness is his fear (not entirely unjustifiable) of rejection by his “betters” (men and women). This is why his goal should be making himself “better” instead of giving up on life.

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  292. I couldn’t figure out, for the life of me, what on earth a Mass-attending Catholic man would be doing saying things like that on this site.

    I’m trying to think of a good analogy here… it’s kind of like a software developer hanging out with the Amish…or an Amish guy hanging out with software developers. I mean, the Gospel of CH is just about as far from the spirit of Catholicism as you can get.

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  293. on July 26, 2008 at 9:40 am johnny five

    a public service announcement to animus, gunslinger, et al:

    theorem #1 of life:
    women don’t use modus ponens.

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  294. obvious statement
    @283 — is chic noire. interested in whether you being serious or not

    I was, I think each side, has a lot of room for improvement.

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  295. on July 26, 2008 at 6:41 am SovereignAmericanMale

    “There’s a reason why beta males have stopped holding open doors for women. Chivalry requires gratitude.”

    This is my sole disagreement with his theses.

    Actual historical Chivalry requires the ability to be a horseman, nothing more. Later on It required the ability to swear an oath to keep a code of conduct.

    This evolved further…

    It became the titles of nobility. Sir and Mister.

    From this lowest of the nobles, a rank given to upgrade from the commoners and the freeborn.

    Nobles protect what belongs society and what belongs to themselves.

    Knights and Squires are not beta but very alpha. Their behavior became a standard for all males to aspire to.

    It has been discarded as a unneeded relic.

    But in all of its history, Chivalry has never required gratitude or thanks.

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  296. @299

    Now I simply get to type: QED.

    I remain in awe (and I’m sure even Goebbels would be equally impressed) of the feminist propaganda that has tricked you into believing as you do.

    We are at the agreeing-to-disagree point, so I wish you peace and long-life.

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  297. on July 26, 2008 at 4:17 pm obvious statement

    @306 chic noir

    fair enough. well, I would love to do housework all day in exchange for a job. I would guess that 50%+ of men would jump at the chance.

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  298. 305 J5

    women don’t use modus ponens.

    You mean ‘if, then, else’ logic? I used it plenty when I was a computer programmer for nine years. A method also used by the beautiful Socrates (see the Socratic method). Logic is beautiful, sweet. God (or whatever) gave us a brain to question everything. Logic is a useful tool, but sometimes (being the woman I am) I just can’t resist the fun of going from point A to point Z skipping all the tedious steps in between, and riding on pure intuition. Just because intuition cannot be taught and quantified does not make it less valuable. In fact it may be more valuable but I have no way to prove it, now do I? Who needs proofs when you KNOW something? You may always need it; I do not. Judge how you like, it matters not.

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  299. on July 26, 2008 at 4:49 pm sara the smug

    309 is me

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  300. on July 26, 2008 at 4:53 pm sara the smug

    303 S.A.M.

    She doesn’t come here to learn. She doesn’t think she may learn from here. In the way a goddess cannot learn from her subjects, only be entertained by them.

    That’s “Bitch Goddess” to you mister! *laughs*

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  301. on July 26, 2008 at 4:55 pm sara the smug

    Sorry I keep fucking up the goddamned italics.

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  302. on July 26, 2008 at 6:30 pm johnny five

    You mean ‘if, then, else’ logic? I used it plenty when I was a computer programmer for nine years. A method also used by the beautiful Socrates (see the Socratic method). Logic is beautiful, sweet. God (or whatever) gave us a brain to question everything. Logic is a useful tool, but sometimes (being the woman I am) I just can’t resist the fun of going from point A to point Z skipping all the tedious steps in between, and riding on pure intuition. Just because intuition cannot be taught and quantified does not make it less valuable. In fact it may be more valuable but I have no way to prove it, now do I? Who needs proofs when you KNOW something? You may always need it; I do not. Judge how you like, it matters not.

    …or humor.

    heh heh.

    you’re such a good girl, sara.

    i remember having almost exactly this conversation with a girl some time ago, about “women’s ways of knowing”. of course, i was smiling broadly and ‘agreeing’ with everything she said at the time, not least because she was hot, wearing a short dress, and leaning in toward me with the prey-qua-predator look that solidifies the meaning of life in an instant.

    if women by and large used modus ponens, Game would be robbed of much of its potency.

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  303. Oh, have you ever hear the expression “Rule of Thumb”?
    It comes from a Law in the US and UK that allowed for a husband, to discipline his woman, with a branch from a tree no thicker then the thickness of his thumb. It was created so men would stop accidently killing women when disciplining thier spouses.

    It sounds too clever to be true. And that’s because it isn’t true.

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  304. 307: Now I simply get to type: QED.

    Right back atcha, stud. It appears we both made our points and neither of us has been swayed…not that I was expecting any other outcome. Nor were you, I imagine.

    I remain in awe (and I’m sure even Goebbels would be equally impressed) of the feminist propaganda that has tricked you into believing as you do.

    Actually, it was the concerned & loving teachings of an alpha male of exceptional integrity. I learned well, as he was an excellent teacher. But you are free to believe whatever will help you maintain your worldview.

    We are at the agreeing-to-disagree point, so I wish you peace and long-life.

    And also to you.

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  305. So a church who marries gays or has female priests is NOt roman catholic.

    Interestingly, in my drunkest moments, I’ve considered becoming an Episcopalian (Anglican), but I’m just too wedded to the Catholic church.

    Sin no more, DA, and go confess yourself.

    Firstly, I have no need to confess to something that isn’t a sin. Secondly, even if I did confess, I would end up masturbating within a day or two. Thirdly, the alternative to masturbating, premarital sex is also considered a sin.

    Comment 80 suggests a porn addiction.

    I’ll leave the reader to make up their own determination as to any possible porn addiction. I don’t think I’m addicted since I usually try to go a few days without porn (and masturbation), and I usually don’t watch porn unless I want to masturbate. The only exception to this may be in terms of reading erotic stories.

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  306. on July 26, 2008 at 8:57 pm InterestedParty

    “In the state of nature, men are expendable”

    And so aren’t women to some degree (especially given the critieria you’ve layed out)?

    The main point of the Devlin quotes you provided is that women want the best guy possible. And even if women settles with a guy, she’ll still keep an eye out for an even better one.

    Is this news?

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  307. on July 26, 2008 at 11:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Response to houswork.

    Chick do you get turned on when you see a man doing housework.

    Guys do you get turned on when you see a woman doing houswork.

    Why guys prob f the maid.

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  308. on July 26, 2008 at 11:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now if its building a porch, fixing the a/c/heater, fixing the roof, killing a rabid dog, killing a poisoness snake, beating the shit out of an intruder, moving some furniture thats a different story.

    How bout cooking, feeding your mate, bringing tea, washing your mates feet, handwashing and ironing your mates clothes, cleaning up after dinner, changeing out the ashtray.

    Sucking a dick. Should this be shared chore as well. Hahahhah

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  309. on July 26, 2008 at 11:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    Soveriegn,
    Well my woman didn’t pass a mouse test but there was this giant roach and she was like don’t kill it. It likes to go here and go there and live life too.

    Anyway yea I’m hooked.

    Poisoness snake what can ya do he he he everyones got to have a line. Logical line maybe.

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  310. on July 26, 2008 at 11:30 pm sara the magnanimouse

    320 SAM

    But when I look at women’s magazines they broach this new bullshit construct called Emotional I.Q.

    Most women’s magazines are drivel. Sometimes you can get some useful information from one in spite of that. Never heard of Emotional IQ, but it sounds like women attempting to quantify and measure the unquantifiable and measurable; i.e. be more like men. They should become lawyers instead or maybe have a sex change operation. What’s the point? A truly intelligent person doesn’t waste time trying to prove it. They just are.

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  311. 314

    Thank you, Johnny.

    i was smiling broadly and ‘agreeing’ with everything she said at the time, not least because she was hot, wearing a short dress, and leaning in toward me with the prey-qua-predator look that solidifies the meaning of life in an instant.

    Sounds kind of nice, actually. Did you respect her in the morning? *smile*

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  312. on July 26, 2008 at 11:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    285 Gunslinger

    I could forgive my current woman anything at this point up to and including infedelity (I may have to kill her but I would forgive her).

    Look at the reference. Yea some things have the potential to make this life intolerable enough to leave. Has nothing to do with your lyrics just has to do with being a human being and believing in potential consequences for actions.

    Sometimes there are rules. They don’t always have to come from big daddy.

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  313. on July 26, 2008 at 5:58 pm sara the tiresome repostere

    I just can’t help but comment on the consistently and tiresome criticism aimed at women–that we lack reason and logic. We are irrational and purposely obtuse. Do you really want women to be as logical as men? Able to support their every belief with water tight arguments, statistics, precedents, “irrefutable” studies, mathematical probabilities, graphs and charts? Quotes from the ‘experts’ on every subject in order to back up and prove their points? Well, it’s quite easy to find a woman like that. They’re called lawyers. Look one up. Hey can tell you where to find them. *laughs in scornful derision*

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  314. on July 27, 2008 at 12:11 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @323 sara the magnanimouse

    320 SAM

    Never heard of Emotional IQ, but it sounds like women attempting to quantify and measure the unquantifiable and measurable; i.e. be more like men. They should become lawyers instead or maybe have a sex change operation. What’s the point?

    Sara, I have to thank you. You just won me $20.00.

    I put the line about Emotional IQ in here, for the purpose of causing you to comment about it, rather then the substance of my post.

    I have some friends who said you wouldn’t go for it, and we wagered about it.

    Thanks for being easy to predict.

    Further predictions… You will deliberately try to be unpredictable after reading this post.

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  315. 326 SAM

    I have some friends who said you wouldn’t go for it, and we wagered about it.

    Thanks for being easy to predict.

    You’re welcome, and what exactly is the point? You’re bored? Feeling passive aggressive? Was that predictable or unpredictable? Do I care? *laughs*

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  316. on July 27, 2008 at 1:55 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Sara,

    It shows you to be who you are. Nothing less and nothing more. I accept you are here for purely entertainment and don’t really want to engage in meaningful discourse.

    You might as well use your institution to jump to Z, and miss the point of it.

    Sara, You are cute and pseudo intellectual. You come across as a just above a dumb blonde lately.

    I will decline, for now from responding to your trollish behavior. By doing so, I will cease feeding you, some of the attention, that you seek.

    I worship *bitch goddesses* by allowing them the pleasure of washing my feet with their tounges. Or slaking their thirst at my spotless porcelain bidet.

    *bitch goddesses* deserve only the finest and most exquisite humiliation. But IMO, Bukkake is too good for them.

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  317. on July 27, 2008 at 2:02 am SovereignAmericanMale

    *Edit*

    Strike
    “You might as well use your institution to jump to Z, and miss the point of it.”

    replace with

    “You might as well use your intuition to jump to Z, and miss the point of it.”

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  318. 323 SAM

    You may wonder why such a cute and just above dumb blonde woman would be at her computer so much. I have four businesses I operate from my home. It’s rather ironic considering I always hated office work. I am pleased that you don’t want to engage in serious discourse. Even the most serious discourse, in my opinion, should be approached with egos checked and a light hearted attitude.

    Did you clean your bidet this morning. God, I wish I had one, because I really could have used it this morning. I thoroughly cleaned my own toilet with lemon scented soft scrub and my tub as well and was quite pleased with the result. What do you use?

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  319. on July 27, 2008 at 2:55 am SovereignAmericanMale

    I am pleased that you don’t want to engage in serious discourse.

    Not at all what I said. *grins*

    I thoroughly cleaned my own toilet with lemon scented soft scrub and my tub as well and was quite pleased with the result. What do you use?

    A completely safe biodegradable, and far cheaper mixture of Course Salt, Baking Soda, and Silica (refined sand).
    To liquefy it at the time of use, I use distilled white vinegar.

    I buy my materials in bulk every few years and whip up a 55 gallon drum of it.

    For surfaces, that I wish to avoid scuffing or scratching, I use a different compound that drops the silica, and adds
    powdered calcium carbonate (finely ground clam shell or mollusk) and lemon juice.

    God, I wish I had one, because I really could have used it this morning.

    Finding a home equipped with one is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

    Its another good thing that Robert Heinlein has advocated.

    Growing up in a family of homebuilders has allowed me to gain the skills needed to remodel existing bathrooms with a vital upgrade.

    The bidet should be standard in every home. Also it cuts down on TP consumption, which allows paper to be recycled, for other tasks.

    Cleaning one’s bum: Excellent

    Cleaning one’s bum while not causing harm to the world,

    that my kids will grow up in: Priceless

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  320. on July 27, 2008 at 3:53 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @331 Anonymous

    Mary Eberstadt’s article has a number of excellent quotes but one that stands out in my mind.

    In light of my on my recent comments (post 215) about food and food additives being used to make the American girls fat

    “It almost seems like there is a conspiracy to make Americans fat so we don’t want sex with each other, net result being negative replacement rates.

    Besides… DA is fast to point out: “who wants sex with fat warpigs, when you got Porn!”

    as well as my comments to DA about the RCC, Masturbation and Porn is this one.

    Its a Jewel in life that context. And reassuring to know I am not alone in my view.

    Without further ado, the quote:

    :To these and other examples of how feminist-minded writers have become inadvertent witnesses for the prosecution of the sexual revolution, we might add recent public reflection on the Pill’s bastard child, ubiquitous pornography.

    “The onslaught of porn,” one social observer wrote, “is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women, and leading men to see fewer and fewer women as ‘porn-worthy.’” Further, “sexual appetite has become like the relationship between agribusiness, processed foods, supersize portions, and obesity. . . . If your appetite is stimulated and fed by poor-quality material, it takes more junk to fill you up. People are not closer because of porn but further apart; people are not more turned on in their daily lives but less so.”

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  321. on July 26, 2008 at 11:03 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @313 sara the tiresome repostere

    I just can’t help but comment on the consistently and tiresome criticism aimed at women–that we lack reason and logic. We are irrational and purposely obtuse. Do you really want women to be as logical as men? Able to support their every belief with water tight arguments, statistics, precedents, “irrefutable” studies, mathematical probabilities, graphs and charts? Quotes from the ‘experts’ on every subject in order to back up and prove their points? Well, it’s quite easy to find a woman like that. They’re called lawyers. Look one up. CH can tell you where to find them. *laughs in scornful derision*

    Well yes, when we are in a debate, by all means. When we are discussing the nature of a real event.

    But when I look at women’s magazines they broach this new bullshit construct called Emotional I.Q.

    Funny thing about womens intuition, is its not really any more accurate then guessing.

    The most logical women I have ever known were Lawyers and Science Nuts. But here is the stunner. These girls could out reason just about anyone, yet 5 of 6 failed the mouse test.

    Whats the mouse test?

    As a psych major, I created the protocols for a simple test for latent hysteria.

    In the mouse test, a person covertly introduces a small field mouse into a person’s residence (namely a friend or colleague with whom trust and exists), and remains in a adjacent room.

    And waits for the women to see the mouse stimuli, and then documents the response.

    Responses I have personally witnessed, are:

    1. “vertically jumping up onto a kitchen table”
    2. “screaming in absolute terror”
    3. “melting down into a blubbering wreck”
    4. “fleeing the house at breakneck speed”
    5. “calmly remarking that there is a mouse here”

    Now what I would like to know is, why males never display the irrational fear response of hysteria to the Mouse test. Yet on the other hand 82% of the tested females do.

    My only two answers I supposed were:

    1. Genetic memory of the black plagues (bubonic) of Europe.
    2. Fear of rodent committing vaginal invasion.

    My mouse testing of Asian women showed a marked decrease in failures, but they were still present.

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  322. Sovereign, re Porn.

    Porn has been around for a long, long time. It’s been around since the first cave man painted naked cave girls on the walls. The Romans had porn, for gosh sakes.

    What has been a huge change IMHO is that porn is becoming a substitute for real women and relationships. Why?

    Because a lot of men are being priced out of the relationship market, with most women being willing to share a few Alpha type men instead of Joe Average all their own. And the longer the substitution goes on, the less Joe Average wants a woman who is no longer attractive.

    The way relationships used to work, men and women would be together at the height of attractiveness, late teens early twenties, and keep a mental picture of their partner as eternally 22 or so. Always young and beautiful. Sex, bonding, and emotional attachment and dependency (emotionally as much as anything else) meant that people stayed together. Instead of the urban churn.

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  323. Let me add, women’s intuition is no joke. Two of the terrorist plotters apprehended in connection with massive terrorist plots were caught by acutely observant women. The first, Ramzi Yusef’s pal, was spotted and (with male help) detained after the apartment fire in Manila where they were cooking up their bombs for the “Bojinka” plot. Only the female officer noticed how dirty, sweaty, nervous, and out-of-place the guy looked among the crowd of onlookers.

    The next was Ahmed Ressam, the “Millenium Bomber” caught at the border by an alert Border Patrol agent, who noticed how nervous the guy was.

    Some, though not all, of the Gitmo hardcases have talked to motherly women interrogators who unsurprisingly act like a sympathetic mom, where male forcefulness did not work. This tactic has been quite successful, particularly since AQ finds it hard to train against: older women being motherly to captives.

    However, many women often shut down their observations and substitute PC. Much to their detriment. Women have to be better at reading folks they are much at a physical disadvantage. They have to be prepared. Often women, will know “something is wrong” but ignore the warning signs of a situation or person out of PC and such.

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  324. @332 S.A.M.

    That quote rang familiar, so I looked it up. Turns out I have previously read the article, written by Naomi Wolf:

    http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

    Incidentally, Naomi Wolf is the literary star of what is called the “third-wave” of the feminist movement. Her views are not typical “feminist,” however. In the article she is praising orthodox sexual abstinence, and she has urged feminists to accept abortion as murder. People on “left” and the “right” are, in the end, not so different. What separates them are their intentions and methods.

    In any case, no ordinary woman can truly compete with perfect and ever-present images of beautiful 10’s such as Laetitia Casta, Jessica Alba, Aishwarya Rai, etc. All modern entertainment outlets contain idealized versions of reality that cannot be easily recreated by human beings, even by the stars themselves. Porn is an idealized version of sex in this manner, as well.

    The following seems apropos:

    Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism, insofar as it declares pleasure as the sole intrinsic good, its conception of absence of pain as the greatest pleasure and its advocacy of a simple life make it quite different from “hedonism” as it is commonly understood.

    For Epicurus, the highest pleasure (tranquility and freedom from fear) was obtained by knowledge, friendship, and living a virtuous and temperate life. He lauded the enjoyment of simple pleasures, by which he meant abstaining from bodily desires, such as sex and appetites, verging on asceticism. He argued that when eating, one should not eat too richly, for it could lead to dissatisfaction later, such as the grim realization that one could not afford such delicacies in the future. Likewise, sex could lead to increased lust and dissatisfaction with the sexual partner.

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  325. on July 27, 2008 at 6:41 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @336 Hope

    In addition to a sharp mind, your sense of recall deserves recognition.

    As an 8th grader, I was talking with a College T.A., (whom I met while attending elementary grades within a special education lab at Trinity University).

    She was talking with me about philosophies, and she asked me what beliefs I had.

    I told her that I was too young to have anything conclusive yet, but then I iterated my highest values/principles list.

    Her response when I was done was to ask:

    “So your an epicurean?”

    To wit, she got a blank face from me, and a

    “whats an epicurean?”

    She gave me a run down of the Guy and his basics, which were a perfect match of what I was holding dear and true.

    I realized I had duplicated his work, without even setting out to do it.

    Sometimes life is strange, and gives you weird stuff.

    Sometimes I get into a row with someone, and they wanna start bragging to bolster a weak position. I love this:

    Its one of those true statements when a pissing contest is going on, that I get to drop the bomb with.

    “Yah, so what, I was enrolled and attending classes at a private university at age 7, and maintained an A average”

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  326. > if you are heterosexual, you, too, will be attracted to, and will thoroughly enjoy fucking, many different kinds of attractive females.

    Not necessarily. While I do have something resembling a sex drive, most women still give me much in the line of enjoyment.

    But then again, nothing really does.

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  327. on July 27, 2008 at 7:01 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @336 Hope

    At the end of the article Naomi Wolf asked a college male:

    ““Isn’t the tension kind of fun?” I asked. “Doesn’t that also get rid of the mystery?”

    “Mystery?” He looked at me blankly. And then, without hesitating, he replied: “I don’t know what you’re talking about. Sex has no mystery.”

    She juxtaposed this against a woman who has learned the sexual value of modesty, and less is more.

    I had heard the name Naomi Wolf, but had not had direct exposure to her. My curiosity is piqued now.

    Hope, Thanks for the introduction to her.

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  328. on July 27, 2008 at 8:01 am SovereignAmericanMale

    I am pleased that you don’t want to engage in serious discourse.

    Not at all what I said. *grins*

    I thoroughly cleaned my own toilet with lemon scented soft scrub and my tub as well and was quite pleased with the result. What do you use?

    A completely safe biodegradable, and far cheaper mixture of Course Salt, Baking Soda, and Silica (refined sand).
    To liquefy it at the time of use, I use distilled white vinegar.

    For surfaces, that I wish to avoid scuffing or scratching, I use a different compound that drops the silica, and adds
    powdered calcium carbonate (finely ground clam shell or mollusk) and lemon juice.

    God, I wish I had one, because I really could have used it this morning.

    Finding a home equipped with one is like looking for a pin in a haystack.

    Its another good thing that Robert Heinlein has advocated.

    Growing up in a family of homebuilders has allowed me to gain the skills needed to remodel existing bathrooms with a vital upgrade.

    The bidet should be standard in every home. Also it cuts down on TP consumption, which allows paper to be recycled, for other tasks.

    Cleaning one’s bum: Excellent
    =======================================================
    Cleaning one’s bum while not causing harm to the world,
    that my kids will grow up in: Priceless

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  329. This has been an interesting sociological read, if nothing else. I didn’t realize how deeply concerned some people are with sexual dynamics and concomitant social and sexual status. But I’ve also never lived there or spent much time in any social milieu where the type of issues he describes dominate the dating interactions. My experiences have all been far less complicated.

    You’re not going to find a truly typical American woman in a club or on Craigslist, nor many candidates for wife or long-term mate, so I don’t understand why you cite them as even somewhat representative. Sample bias.

    Devlin’s essays have a few grains of truth to them, but he’s not undertaking the analysis from a logical, dispassionate point of view, and it shows. He allows his emotions to unduly interfere, and his conclusions about the nature of women far exceed the scope of his evidence. I can’t take him too seriously.

    I sympathize with men who are tired of being portrayed as incompetent fathers, bumbling employees, constant sexual aggressors and harassers, and potential rapists. I think and hope that this will eventually disappear around the same time that it stops being novel that some women can be doctors or programmers or whatever.

    Some of you will, against his advice, get married and have children. If you don’t like the character of women you’re meeting in clubs and on Craigslist, then raise your daughters not to be like them. I’m not religious, but I suggest Proverbs 31:10-31 as a model for the type of attractive, highly capable, dignified, and admirable woman I think most of you seek and would want your daughters to resemble.

    Those of you who are like the guys I’ve dated — intelligent, honorable, strong, hard-working, easygoing — thank you for being what men should be. I respect you, I admire you, I find you hot. Rock on, and please keep setting the example.

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  330. on July 27, 2008 at 3:53 pm Yancey Ward

    Puzzled @334,

    I disagree. I think where you are going wrong is that you think Devlin believes this change in the social institutions and sexual mores has spread to the point that it is now dominant- he doesn’t and it hasn’t- yet. However, one can clearly identify those ethnic subpopulations within the US where it has become dominant, and we can clearly see the horrifying results- extreme poverty, violence, and actual social decay. In addition, we can can identify the same growing trends within the white European ethnic groups, and we can easily anticipate that the final result will be the same, but with about a 30-40 year lag.

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  331. on July 27, 2008 at 4:31 pm sara the relentless

    340 SAM

    Cleaning one’s bum while not causing harm to the world,
    that my kids will grow up in: Priceless

    The world would certainly be a better place if bidet’s would come back into fashion. I recall house hunting with my ex husband, critiquing the rooms and grounds, but always withholding judgement until checking out the bathroom. Only then could I proclaim it a great house or not.

    This subject brings to mind a delightful nine verse limerick entitled “Hydraulic Interlude” from The Famous Paris Edition of The Limerick. Highly recommended.

    http://www.amazon.com/Limericks-Complete-Unexpurgated-Examples-Variants/dp/1555217834

    http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/-81480699/used/The%20Limerick:%20the%20Famous%20Paris%20Edition:%201700%20Examples,%20With%20Notes,%20Variants%20and%20Index

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  332. @ 333 SovereignAmericanMale

    Well, remember, you’re talking to somebody who argued that the poorly seasoned and cooked foods prepared by various female friends and family members paled in comparison to food cooked at diners or chain restaurants because of the high use of various cooking greases, salt, and fried portions to cover up the lack of proper preparation. In other words, I’m probably the perfect demographic for high porn use. Besides, once you’ve seen girls with big asses and fake looking DD cups having sex in wild and animalistic ways, how can one go back to the average female with her small boyish looking b-cups? Hell, even C-cups look absurdly small to me.

    What has been a huge change IMHO is that porn is becoming a substitute for real women and relationships. Why?

    Naomi Wolf can sum up my sentiments in this quote…

    For most of human history, erotic images have been reflections of, or celebrations of, or substitutes for, real naked women. For the first time in human history, the images’ power and allure have supplanted that of real naked women. Today, real naked women are just bad porn.

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  333. on July 27, 2008 at 5:37 pm sara the positive

    344 David

    Your porn addiction can be summed up in two words; “sexual repression” compliments of the Catholic church, your protestations to the contrary…in my oh so humble opinion.

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  334. compliments of the Catholic church

    Mindless chiche.

    Every religion (except maybe Wicca) regulates sexuallity so that their adherents’ sexuality is procreative and legitimate (ie, enlists male investment in child raising).

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  335. on July 27, 2008 at 6:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thats some hardcore statement there Dave,

    For most of human history, erotic images have been reflections of, or celebrations of, or substitutes for, real naked women. For the first time in human history, the images’ power and allure have supplanted that of real naked women. Today, real naked women are just bad porn.

    Dude I can go all day everyday with a real woman at least in the beginning of a relationship if we have the connection. That has not included every woman I have been with. That included 2 that I have been with. Can’t jack off that much lol
    A real woman can bring more to the table than your hand can just have to meet the right one. Probably will not be in your neighborhood.

    Jacking off all the time. It’s ok if you have to.

    A Real woman who worships you as a God and places her life in your hands to do with as you wish and promises to love you even after death and gives you her whole mind body and soul every square inch. Who’s biggest goal in life is to have your children so that your genes and hers can be combines on this planet because she wants to see reproductions of a combination of yours and her blood to go forth into the world. Who understands the deepest eventual craving of human nature and would not like you to leave the planet without offspring.
    Priceless

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  336. Dude I can go all day everyday with a real woman at least in the beginning of a relationship if we have the connection.

    I can’t, but that’s probably due to low sexual stamina on my part. It’s much easier to jerk off and avoid disappointing a girl.

    Probably will not be in your neighborhood.

    For obvious reasons, I do not interact with the women in my neighbourhood.

    A Real woman

    But why would I want the woman that you described? She sounds more like a burden upon me than a blessing of some sort. Hell, I would be very weary of any woman who wants to see my genetic profile replicated…

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  337. on July 27, 2008 at 8:30 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    345 sara the positive

    Your porn addiction can be summed up in two words; “sexual repression” compliments of the Catholic church, your protestations to the contrary…in my oh so humble opinion.

    Alternately it can be summed up with the “Sinner’s nature”.
    A concept that predates the catholic church by oh, say
    a couple thousand years.

    ——————————————————————————-
    @346 PA
    Every religion (except maybe Wicca) regulates sexuallity so that their adherents’ sexuality is procreative and legitimate (ie, enlists male investment in child raising).

    If you drop wicca and replace it with 1. Santaria then you are correct. Also the twin religions of 2. voodoo and 3. hoodoo.

    Evolutionists have been deemed a religion in their own right. 3. Science does have a set of doctrines, and dogmatic beliefs. It lacks any hymns praising science.

    1. 2. and 3. all qualify for your exemption.

    ————————————————————————–

    Wicca FYI

    welcome to todays free educational tidbit.

    {I have my late wife Heidi to thank for my education about & concerning wicca, she was wiccan for several decades}

    This is in reference to the Neo Pagan Religion called “Wicca” a New Age religion founded by Gerald Gardner in the mid 1950s,

    Gerald Gardner a (33rd degree mason).
    a. {freemasonry = kabalah for gentiles}

    b. {Kabalah is concerned with sexual generation and male female interaction, and supports male investment with his offspring}

    Gardner wanted to resurrect the pre-Christian Pagan religious beliefs of old Europe. Since Gardner claimed to have been initiated into a “Wicca” coven in 1939 he “believed” was a surviving link to an ill-defined “Old Religion” of the British Isles.1

    It was from these circumstances that Gardner soon wrote and published three books that heavily influenced the Wicca movement these were: High Magic’s Aid 1949, Witchcraft Today 1954, The meaning of Witchcraft 1959. After his death in 1964 he was the leading figure in what became known as (Gardenian Witchcraft). 2

    Although Gardner very well knew the differences to what actual Witchcraft is & his newly formed religion of Wicca many of those that followed the Wicca movement did not know the difference. This is because he used the two terms “wicca” & “witchcraft” interchangeably, many people associated the new religion of Wicca with it’s modern English translation (Witchcraft).

    To complicate matters further, the misconception of referring to Wicca as Witchcraft was continued by another scholar of the Wiccan movement, this man is Raymond Buckland. He is credited for introducing Gardenian Wicca to the United States in the early 1960s.

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  338. on July 27, 2008 at 9:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Soveriegn dammit you stole my life.

    Sovereign says:
    “Yah, so what, I was enrolled and attending classes at a private university at age 7, and maintained an A average”

    My mom was like no he should live a normal life like other kids.
    I have never been normal wtf
    Then we lost all our money anyway.

    Ahh to be groomed you whole life for greatness and actually have people around for role models to trascend the mundane oh well. I guess I did it good enough on my own.

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  339. on July 27, 2008 at 10:12 pm sara the freedom lover

    346 PA

    Every religion (except maybe Wicca) regulates sexuallity so that their adherents’ sexuality is procreative and legitimate..

    And even more importantly, non transformational. A person who uses sexual energy to transform themselves from one of the sheep in the herd to a free and enlightened human being has zero need to follow anyone. They may delve into philosophy, religion, psychology, spirituality, etc. as part of their personal path but never follow any one particular individual. There was and will only be one Buddha, one Jesus, one Krishna, etc. Imitators are just that; imitations; mindless sheep looking for a herd. When sexual energy is allowed to raise a person’s consciousness as it was intended, all following stops.

    Wasn’t that profound? *laughs to herself*

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  340. I once saw a bum jerking off in front of disgusted passer-bys.

    Was he using sexual energy to transform himself from one of the sheep in the herd to a free and enlightened human? He probably felt like he was…

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  341. on July 27, 2008 at 10:55 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @350 Gunslingergregi

    Ahh to be groomed you whole life for greatness and actually have people around for role models to trascend the mundane oh well. I guess I did it good enough on my own.

    Dear Greg the gunslinger,

    Sometimes I feel guilty for disregarding all of that. I was given the very best education, despite being born into poverty. I pissed away much of my teen/twenties life.

    I became a juvenile delay-quint. I surrendered to my sex drive, drugs and a life of crime, because I refused to be part of the “system”. This continued into College.

    My rage against the machine, and my sense of helplessness to change the “system” lead me to feel like nothing I ever could do mattered.

    So I did what pleased me, irregardless to the civil and criminal law or needs of others. The only reason I wouldn’t have killed anyone, is that cleaning up the crime scene would have been too much work, and failure to do so would have sent me to death row.

    All of this selfish hedonism fit with my spiritual values of that time.

    I was into Alistair Crowley (member of Mi6, and was given his 33rd degree of masonry) real heavy at that point in my life. I totally bought in to the his instruction that the whole of the Sacred Law is “Do what thy will”. (My values of today are totally in opposition to those back then)

    I loved the University of Texas, but I felt that academia was a huge inside joke. Oddly enough my study habits were very natural, and I am still a grinder. I have an innate almost OCD sense of curiosity.

    I love to ask “why”.

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  342. on July 27, 2008 at 10:59 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @352 PA

    I once saw a bum jerking off in front of disgusted passer-bys.

    Was he using sexual energy to transform himself from one of the sheep in the herd to a free and enlightened human? He probably felt like he was…

    Priceless! And very sad/funny.

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  343. on July 28, 2008 at 12:45 am sara the freedom lover

    352 PA

    I once saw a bum jerking off in front of disgusted passer-bys.

    Was he using sexual energy to transform himself from one of the sheep in the herd to a free and enlightened human? He probably felt like he was…

    I think you already know the answer to that. Don’t play dumb. *ha* The guy was mentally ill.

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  344. on July 28, 2008 at 1:55 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @355 sara the freedom lover

    Don’t play dumb. *ha* The guy was mentally ill.

    Like you would’nt know anything about that first hand, huh Sara?

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  345. on July 28, 2008 at 4:18 am sara the freedom lover

    356 SAM

    Like you would’nt know anything about that first hand, huh Sara?

    I know all about it and my history would astound you, no doubt. When my father threw me out at the age of 17 after two years of heavy drug use on my part (psychedelics etc.) my mother was seeing a psychiatrist, my father was seeing a psychiatrist, and my brother had just been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I married a psychotic genius and promptly had a nervous breakdown at the age of 19, he took me away from my family for 10 years, they didn’t know whether I was dead or alive, it was like living in a cult where he mentally, physically, and sexually abused me and that’s just the crib notes. Before I go into my horrendous medical history I should ask if you have any more questions. Oh wait, you weren’t asking any! *smile*

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  346. on July 28, 2008 at 4:53 am SovereignAmericanMale

    I would like to have a private series of two way instant message sessions with you sara.

    You are an interesting, funny nay silly girl.

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  347. on July 28, 2008 at 8:09 am johnny five

    sam #358

    the fact that you actually specified “two-way” makes me wonder about the nature of your previous instant messaging sessions.

    but, in response to what you said roughly five thousand posts ago: toast to you, my brother.

    sara is a good girl in part because it doesn’t seem as though she bruises easily.
    i meant emotionally!

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  348. on July 28, 2008 at 9:57 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @359 johnny five

    “the fact that you actually specified “two-way” makes me wonder about the nature of your previous instant messaging sessions.”

    Just being crystal clear with the lady. I have im’d with people who type but don’t listen.

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  349. on July 28, 2008 at 4:13 pm sara the freedom lover

    353 SAM

    So I did what pleased me, irregardless to the civil and criminal law or needs of others.

    Please don’t use the word ‘irregardless’. I find it so irritating. It’s one of those words that’s been created and misused so much that it’s made it’s way (I think) into the dictionary as a legitimate word. Same with the mispronunciation of ‘data’. Should be long a on the first syllable ONLY.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

    359 J5

    sara is a good girl in part because it doesn’t seem as though she bruises easily. i meant emotionally!

    I can handle myself, it’s true and am not nearly so delicate as Hope or Alias, though Lemmonex and Chic are pretty tough I think. I need a much stronger man in the true sense of the word than I’ve had because I am so strong. My life story would make your head spin around in circles so I’ve had to be in order to not become a pharmaceutical zombie. What HAS hurt me the most? Being ignored by a very passive aggressive man I was deeply in love with. It still hurts, though I realize how ill he is.

    Here’s my phony spam decoy gmail email address. As far as I know I cannot be traced through it. I certainly hope not!

    [email protected]

    Instant messaging? I don’t think I have time, actually, nor for this but I indulge. Email is a start?

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  350. on July 28, 2008 at 9:48 pm sara the freedom lover

    362 Ryan

    The contemporary American woman (well, 7-9 types) is fucking RUTHLESS and gets to enjoy/employ some NASTY double-standards on a daily basis all the while pissing and moaning like the shit is still unfair for them.

    I think the whole 0 to 10 rating system needs to be revamped. There are many men that a lot of women would rate as 10 in the looks/alpha category, that I would not walk across the street for. So men are slaves to their own hormones just as much as women and would be wise to not be seduced by appearances. A 8, 9, 10 in the looks/gross sexual appeal, may in fact be a 2 in other categories, averaging out to a 4 or 5. If you’re being burned it’s because you’re not reading their body language at all or inaccurately. Raise your standard and don’t take off your pants for just any cunt. I know that goes against the grain around here.

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  351. This reminded me of Roger Dodger.



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  352. on July 28, 2008 at 10:21 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    Here’s my phony spam decoy gmail email address. As far as I know I cannot be traced through it. I certainly hope not!

    Gmail is very good about striping out the source IP address from the email header. So in one respect, it makes it nigh impossible to trace a gmail email back to the PC that was used to write/send it.

    I use gmail myself.

    But, did you actually use your real address while signing up for its service.

    More people are falling prey to Hackers gaining access to large mainframe type servers, and having theft of their personal data.

    I solved the problem for myself.
    I created/registered a street address for a empty lot. And thats what I use for online sign ups, and other forms for personal data.

    And I get snail mail based junk mail.

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  353. > So men are slaves to their own hormones just as much as women and would be wise to not be seduced by appearances

    Not all of them are. While appearance is conditio sine qua non, it certainly is not everything.

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  354. Gunslingergregi
    Response to houswork.

    Chick do you get turned on when you see a man doing housework.

    Guys do you get turned on when you see a woman doing houswork.

    Why guys prob f the maid.

    I would not say turned on but I do appreciate a guy that does housework. It would certainly make me look at him as possible boyfriend material. I’m not into the pump&dump.

    I can handle myself, it’s true and am not nearly so delicate as Hope or Alias, though Lemmonex and Chic are pretty tough I think

    thanks Sara.

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  355. on July 28, 2008 at 11:35 pm sara the freedom lover

    364 S.A.M.

    Thanks for looking out for me. I gave the folks at gmail none of my personal information and a phony name. As I understand it, even if someone has your IP address they can only trace it to your server(?) provider and mine is in Virginia.

    366 Chic

    You’re welcome and I should not put down Hope or Alias for being more sensitive than I. The world would be even more out of whack if we were all the same…..obviously!

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  356. on July 28, 2008 at 11:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    It is kind of nice to me to have my woman make my clothes nice to make me look good by her own hand. I get that feel good feeling sometimes in the gut kinda like being high watching her work a little.

    I also see people who have a stranger raise their kids. I would rather my wife did it than someone I don’t know.

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  357. 366 Chic

    You’re welcome and I should not put down Hope or Alias for being more sensitive than I. The world would be even more out of whack if we were all the same…..obviously

    Your right.

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  358. Gunslingergregi,I read that in Russian culture, after the baby is born, the grandmother takes over a large part of the child care. Thus giving the parents time to be togeather, and have a life outside of parenting.

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  359. on July 28, 2008 at 8:47 pm Ryan the Callous

    @ 238 sara

    I hear the touchy feeling shit your espousing and I’m with you (sort of). It’s only recently (within the past 3 months) that I’ve come face-to-face with all the shit that has been bothering me about male-female dynamics for quite some time.

    People like CH are spelling the shit out for me and I’m sucking it up. I’m not necessarily miserable. Hell, I get ass from a 7 at least 2-3 times a week and a little strange from other 7-9s from time to time as well. It’s just that all of this shit is finally cementing in my brain and I’m seeing it for what it is and it PISSES ME OFF. The contemporary American woman (well, 7-9 types) is fucking RUTHLESS and gets to enjoy/employ some NASTY double-standards on a daily basis all the while pissing and moaning like the shit is still unfair for them.

    I want nothing more than to find a little happy place and dwell inside that fucker as often as possible. I’m working on it. It’s coming… Unfortunately prior to its arrival, I have some shit to work out and some issues to master. My disdain for women is simply part of this process. I doubt it will go away. I imagine I’ll simply learn to channel it and make use of it when the time is right

    And don’t worry… I understand that generalizations fit when applied to the masses and how they tend to break down with applied to the individual.

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  360. on July 29, 2008 at 3:08 am Milton Freedman

    SAM a couple of points:

    1) No most servers are still running run of the mill dual processor setups with 8GB ram tops. Technically all computers are servers because you are always using the server/client functions of TCP/IP.

    2) There is no such thing as anonymity on the net if someone really wants to find you. ISP records can be bought off if you know someone who works in tech support etc. Also the recent Viacom demand on google for youtube surfing data and the consequent court order damning google to do so demonstrates that anonymity can be destroyed based on statistical modeling used to identify who the main infringers are. Relevant article:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/07/07/the-end-of-internet-privacy-a-look-the-viacom-google-order/

    3) Newsgroups are effectively anonymous because they don’t keep records. Just use SSL encryption if you are really paranoid.

    4) Firewalls are unnecessary if you are behind a router unless you routinely visit strange websites. Even then Firefox appears to prevent most spyware from getting onto your PC no doubt because of activex being disabled by default. Cookies aren’t worth shit and you need them sometimes for certain websites to work don’t disable cookies.

    5) Sara google has chat which you can use as an IM substitute.

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  361. on July 29, 2008 at 6:06 am SovereignAmericanMale

    2) There is no such thing as anonymity on the net if someone really wants to find you. ISP records can be bought off if you know someone who works in tech support etc. Also the recent Viacom demand on google for youtube surfing data and the consequent court order damning google to do so demonstrates that anonymity can be destroyed based on statistical modeling used to identify who the main infringers are.

    Cost of diminishing returns vs skill at non detection methodologies makes for a salient case of the hacker getting away. Until Internet 2.0 with biometric sign ons for pc and net access at any rate, (that is until haxors get root and start spoofing that as well)

    At my last trip to defcon I found a goldmine-godsend.

    Right now I have access to source code for a linux /ssl/tor/ web browsing terminal.

    Key features are:
    1. virtual machine based mac addressing, 2. secure root from boot: from the application layer down to hardware stack thereby enabling end to end security.
    3. The kernel is running encrypted & the ipsec modules which were complied at boot using one times (an evolution from traditional ring theory) To get into the VM environments you have to compile the source each time. It hijacks the processor and all processes while compiling. Thats how it boots up.
    4. enhanced wifi subroutines that encrypt ssl traffic before TOR sign ins.
    5. Its a portible usb flashdrive setup designed for use with an “Ironkey”
    6. its shift-able into something like Beowulf clustering mode giving you 10s of other pcs to scatter around like echo points (with a web cam at each, you can tell when they find your first pc, and allow you to bug out uncaught)

    The short answer is anon surfing will continue to exist as along as an internet remains.

    They may track a surfer as far as a TOR exit node, but then the rabbit hole becomes a blackhole of almost infinite IP addresses. If they miraculously manage to get passed this task.

    They then have the hurdle of encryption (Something the NSA could do, but not Google or any other corporation with a court ordered mandate) before they would be able to locate a list of 10 machines echoing the same data from different Wifi hotspots all over.

    By the time they get to the physical spot, they will find a gray market generic laptop with no real data.

    And for a totally secure web browser Check out:

    http://xerobank.com/software.php

    and look at the XB browser (free)
    they also have a secure email client, and a secure hardened OS, but its not my diamond shown above.

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  362. on July 29, 2008 at 2:17 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @368 sara the freedom lover

    As I understand it, even if someone has your IP address they can only trace it to your server(?) provider and mine is in Virginia.

    Well hon, its clear you need some 101 on network security.

    *smiles*

    1. Every modern pc has an IP adresss.

    This is the “digital name” or “street address” that this pc uses to send and recieve information from other pcs.

    2. Every real server has at least one IP address.

    Some pc’s are able to run some server software making it a de facto server, but a valid server has very high end computer hardware.

    Its like calling a $100k Covette a race car, granted it can race, but real race cars start at around 500k, and performs on a whole other level.

    3. Your PC surrenders its IP address to websites it visits, and other internet activities. Buying songs off Itunes etc.

    In fact, wordpress gives its blog owners the IP address at the time of a message posting. So every time someone posts a message here at Chez H, he gets to look at the message, and its origination.

    4. Someone who has your pc’s IP address can then begin attacks against that IP address.

    Depending on your internet connection a. (phone dial up) or b. (DSL & Cable Modem) They may or may not be able to hit the machine directly.

    In the case of B. the IP address seen (by the internet) is one inside the Little box that is between the wall, and the PC/s. So the attacker has to figure out how to deal with it, before he can find your Real IP and hack a given pc.

    Much like, to ring the extension of Joe Smith in the HR department, you have to make it passed the receptionist’s phone board.

    5. Most people don’t have the skills to cause serious harm, and/or do a ip adress trace.

    (don’t ask if I am in that category)

    I doubt if you Sara, have ever pissed off a hacker enough to come after you.

    6. If You want to learn how to surf the net anonymously and step up your security beyond the basic anti virus stuff.
    Get a nerd to teach you about using a firewall, or go by borders/barns and nobles and get a “for dummies book”
    that discusses firewalls.

    6b Learn how to disable cookies in your web browser, so you stop snitching on yourself, about your surfing habits.

    6c. I think “zone alarm” is still free, and has a personal edition. download it, and learn to love it. Its your best friend for keeping out unwanted “guests” who already have your IP address.

    7
    For the easiest “security by anonymity” for email, web browsing and newsgroups is:

    http://anonymouse.org

    There are three options at the top, if you want to send an email choose anonEmail.

    If you wanna web surf click on anonWWW (and then cut and paste the website name into the address bar on the page) and click the gray button.
    I have no problems pulling up this site.

    —————————————————————————-

    * for the highest level of anonymity Get the TOR (the onion router/privoxy) package from the TOR project and then get the Torbutton addon for Firefox *

    I find my IP address physical location as showing up all over Europe, while running it.

    Note, since your (tor) data traffic is being redirected, load times will increase.

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  363. on July 29, 2008 at 3:59 pm sara the freedom lover

    372, 373

    You guys overwhelm my fluffy feminine brain. (Forget that I was a computer programmer. Everything I knew then is now obsolete.) According to my computer man, the fact that I have a MacIntosh makes me much safer from hacking and I also understand that if I turn my modem off and on it automatically changes my IP address. I’ve done some research on this and from what I’ve read only law enforcement with a warrant or court order can force a provider to reveal a person’s identity through their IP address. Otherwise all a cyber spy will get is your provider information. You’re both referring to PC technology, and I think Macs are a different animal. I gave up PCs years ago and found them a supreme pain in the ass. The Mac is a breeze by comparison.

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  364. on July 29, 2008 at 6:08 pm Milton Freedman

    Nah Sara, any real PC user, also has some background in linux, which means that the Mac terminal is all they need to turn your Barbie and Ken machine into a warez/porn box.

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  365. on July 29, 2008 at 6:18 pm Milton Freedman

    1. You don’t really need virtual machine mac addressing as there’s plenty of freeware to spoof your Mac address.

    2. I don’t understand this one. Root is always secure by definition.

    3. This is the equivalent of using a liveCD.

    4. TOR is kind of slow, but probably has its advantages in terms of anonymity over Usenet. Still if you aren’t doing 2048 bit encrypting you are at risk from attacks.

    5. Never heard of an iron key.

    6. Having decoys is always a good idea, what you are describing sounds like a more advanced and useful version of having multiple proxies. It’s kind of unnecessary though because if someone has found you by this step you aren’t going to be a free man anymore.

    Anyway my point wasn’t that you could set up a completely anonymous connection given money and some 1337 [email protected] skills. My point was that the anonymity of the common user, which most people believe exists no longer exists.

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  366. on July 29, 2008 at 7:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Chic Nor,
    Well in my wifes case. She kind of lives in a gated compound. There is her sisters house her house her other sisters then another sisters house. She cares for her sisters baby now while the sister works to support it. They do all enjoy raising the little midget. Yea my kids will be raised by not just my wife but by the family too. I am talking about the “elite” who I see at the hotels we go to who are by themselves at a resteraunt with a nanny to watch the kids. Kind of on 24 7 terms for the nanny.

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  367. on July 29, 2008 at 10:37 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    1. You don’t really need virtual machine mac addressing as there’s plenty of freeware to spoof your Mac address.

    I the nature of this is that its fused into the kernel and runs as part of the os/vm.

    2. I don’t understand this one. Root is always secure by definition.

    Traditional Ring theory is built on this fundamental assumption.
    Yes, but all things are not equal, if you ever read the microcode within the cpu from after PIII, you may shudder. This was right around the time Intell introduced Processor ID numbers, that are “supposed” to remain off if you turn them off.
    Add the new: “do not execute” code, and “virtualization on cpu” instruction sets… well lets just say, there is a reason why the clipper chip 1 and 2 were so easily, given up by the Feds.

    3. This is the equivalent of using a liveCD.

    Correct.

    5. Never heard of an iron key.

    http://www.ironkey.com/demo

    visit the above link to learn all about it.

    there are 3 flavors basic, personal, and enterprise which of course scale in price and features.

    My point was that the anonymity of the common user, which most people believe exists no longer exists.

    You sir, for the scope of that statement are correct.

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  368. on July 30, 2008 at 12:42 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @376 sara the freedom lover

    I’ve done some research on this and from what I’ve read only law enforcement with a warrant or court order can force a provider to reveal a person’s identity through their IP address. Otherwise all a cyber spy will get is your provider information.

    We aren’t too concerned with what law enforcement can do, for your purpose (online security) we are concerned with what criminals do, in fact do.

    Well sweetie, I’m sad to tell you this. But if there is any personal information on your mac (tax software), or if you do business work on your machine.

    If there is any personal information on your mac (tax software), or if you do business work on your machine.

    Once a person gets your real Ip address…
    You can have your identity and info compromised.

    Mac or PC it just don’t matter. And the fact that they (hackers) don’t have a warrant makes no never mind.

    {For the matter, cops routinely break privacy laws to gather inadmissible evidence} Once they know your business, its just a matter of time before they find something to bust you thats legit. And then armed with a search warrant “find” all this other stuff they knew all along. Cops have a term for it:
    “Sandbaging”

    If they (hackers) get past your cable/dsl modem and can see your Mac, then its a question of finding an open window or door

    This is the practice of “port scanning”, and “packet sniffing”.

    Once they have found an opening, they can enter and then copy everything on the machine. (This is why you should learn how to encrypt folders)

    Then its just like someone taping your phone lines, breaking into your real home, and going room to room; to bug them, and obtaining your information.

    After grabbing the entire contents (or selected highlights) of your Mac’s hard drives, the hackers can leave behind tools for stealing more information.

    These can include:

    1. Keystoke recorders, (called keyloggers)

    2. Spyware (records information from online business transactions, and normal emails)

    3. Trojans that go out to nearby machines, from yours to continue trawling for data.

    4. I hope you don’t sit naked in front of your pc, with a web cam plugged in. Thinking its off… Unless you are an exhibitionist.

    This is the scariest part of this, Organized crime is the biggest party in/of identity theft.

    Its not a big leap to what can happen next…

    If they have a picture from your files of what you look like, or from a web cam still, and they know your street address from your personal/business files.

    Whats to stop them from following you, until the time is ripe for a kidnapping, and some engage in some rather tragic events to follow?

    I will grant that:
    Your using a mac removes you from a majority of simple attacks, you are at a slightly lower risk. But you are far from safe yet.

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  369. on July 30, 2008 at 1:35 am Milton Freedman

    Sara you are basically immune to SAM’s 1,2,3,4 unless you somehow enabled remote access. Remote access is hard enough to set up after all the bugs are worked out on a Linux machine. I can hardly imagine the annoyance it would take to SSH into a Mac and take control of the webcam.

    SAM I was aware that the new Core Duos have DRM code built into the chip. I was not aware the code is useful for anything other than making viewing non pirated movies and music more difficult. Also what is this about the feds.

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  370. on July 30, 2008 at 6:05 am sara the freedom lover

    S.A.M. and Milton,

    I use Mac OS X 10.5.4 also known as Leopard I believe. I have two Macbook Pro’s and one Macbook. Parallels is installed on one of them, but has only been used a few times. If it makes the Mac more vulnerable to hacking, it won’t be used again. Thanks for the information. Sounds like I’m pretty safe. You guys are real brainy types. Sexy! I love a man with a big brain–as long as there’s some connect-ability to the heart ware.

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  371. on July 30, 2008 at 7:32 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @384 sara the freedom lover

    S.A.M. and Milton,

    I use Mac OS X 10.5.4 also known as Leopard I believe.

    Then Your pretty much safe.
    And don’t worry about parallels.
    Just keep your firewall up to date and on.

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  372. on July 30, 2008 at 2:59 am SovereignAmericanMale

    382 Milton Freedman

    Sara you are basically immune to SAM’s 1,2,3,4 unless you somehow enabled remote access.

    I think that depends on which generation of Mac she is running.

    I have intruded on a number of G4s and G5s while I was at UT. If she is running the osx 10+ tiger or jags she is pretty safe.
    (mac gui over a linux kernal)

    I doubt she has installed bootcamp but I have witnessed a mac machine while in windows mode get totally pwned. recovery required a Hard reboot, and then a install of the OS.

    SAM I was aware that the new Core Duos have DRM code built into the chip. I was not aware the code is useful for anything other than making viewing non pirated movies and music more difficult. Also what is this about the feds.

    Well the holiest cow of the Feds is “national security” with that banner, they can (did) get Intel and AMD to make certain concessions, and have continued this.

    If you follow the latest press leaks and pieces from/about the end of privacy and realize this is just about normalizing the user reaction by forewarning them. The government rarely tips their hand and they never show their whole hand.

    I can say for a fact that “deep packet inspection” technologies now going into active use by the isp’s are patented but with national security classification preventing me from getting a FOIA done on them.

    This bespeaks John Poindexter’s Total Information Awareness (TIA) system pushed in the aftermath of 9-11, and backroom deals between the Federal government and the Internet service industry.

    Take for example of what recently occurred when two journalists were taking on the phone about a story that appeared on Google News. The story was about a Christian fundamentalist move in Congress to use U.S. military force in Sudan to end genocide in Darfur. The story appeared on the English Google News site in Qatar.

    This censorship is accomplished by geolocation filtering: the restriction or modifying of web content based on the geographical region of the user. In addition to countries, such filtering can now be implemented for states, cities, and even individual IP addresses.

    Or

    “At the Border, Your Laptop Is Wide-Open”

    By David E. Brodsky, Timothy M. Haggerty and Tamara J. Britt
    The National Law Journal
    July 22, 2008

    After two of its executives had their laptops and other electronic devices seized and searched at U.S. airports in May, BAE Systems PLC — the U.K.-based defense and aerospace giant — found itself facing a travel risk that many companies had never considered: that U.S. officials could search, inspect and copy data from international travelers’ electronic devices without a warning or warrant.

    Now,
    When there is clearly IP content filtering, deep packet searches, and data mining going on something smells like a rat. A dead one. DRM is a tool, and when its in a processor you have the means to control the user’s actions.

    And when the government is snatching laptops, there must be some method for them to copy or access the entire contents or they really wouldn’t bother doing it.
    4th amendmant violations not withstanding.

    I can’t say I have seen the microcode for every single model proc, but I have seen enough and been taught by AMD engineers in Austin, to see that its SOP now.

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  373. on July 31, 2008 at 2:25 pm sara the protector and protected

    385 S.A.M.

    Thank you!

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  374. Wow, Read those articles, and even though they were enlightening, i must admit that that dude is the most negative person in the hole world.

    He wants all men to abstain from sex so that we can finally have domination over females… that is the most frustrated idea ever…

    He views hypergamy in women as a problem that will end the human race. I view it as an oppourtunity to become one of those Hypergamous Males… buried in an endless sea of poon will turn a frown upside down

    Peace Out

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  375. on August 7, 2008 at 12:00 am Cassius Cobalt

    Fans of Devlin may also like my blog, Family and Civilization. Among other things I discuss the lost boys, “no pussy, no peace”, and human brood parasites.

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  376. well written post and a real eye-opener too. i am going to definitely add you to my feed reader and keep reading.

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  377. “And waits for the women to see the mouse stimuli, and then documents the response.”

    (laugh) Had the same experience with my ex, a nurse and not stupid. She saw a mouse, jumped up on the table, shut her eyes, clenched her fists, and screamed as long as she had breath. I just stood there with my mouth open looking at her. I’d thought that that kind of response was just a cartoon thing. I asked her later what she was scared of, but she couldn’t/wouldn’t say. Later we got a pet mouse and she learned to accept it, even nursed it back to health when it was injured.

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  378. Guess I’m what most of you would call a beta male. I was divorced in California, I got the kids and the child support, and a bit of alimony. I thought the system was reasonably fair, at least in my case, though I have to admit she worked very hard to place herself in the position where I got the kids and the money.

    Y’all are correct, what the feminists are driving isn’t right. But seems to me that what CH and others advocate isn’t right either – there’s no future in it, either personally or culturally. Living like an animal for all the sterile sex you can get leaves you with nothing but an animal’s life, and if you look around at the world your ancestors gave you it should be obvious that there’s more to human life than animal satisfaction.

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  379. Note on pre-nups :

    They CAN save you from alimony and asset division, provided :

    1) They are properly done (with both sides having lawyers, and several weeks before the actual marriage).
    2) They are not too lopsided against the woman.

    They CANNOT, however, save you from child support.

    The only real insurance from financial ruin is to marry a woman who makes the same, or higher, income than you. After that, hope that your marriage lasts until your kids are 18 or close to it.

    If you really want a legal paradise for men, Islam is the answer. Move to Dubai or Kuwait. There are good jobs there for Western expats. However, over there, women wear burqas, which means they don’t watch their figures or shave their legs (since other than her husband, no one sees them).

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  380. Superb article. One other dimension you should ponder and consider writing about.

    1) Feminists were not happy with the pre-1965 America. No, they needed more empowerment.
    2) So they created a social structure that made life harder for all but the most attractive, as you correctly note.
    3) So they have fought to make divorce laws such that a massive wealth transfer goes from men to women.
    4) All this ensures that fewer families form, and fewer children are born, and of those that are born, more and more grow up in broken homes.
    5) This leaves Western society with a bleak future, ripe for the rapidly-reproducing Islamic hordes to come in and fill the vacuum.
    6) Muslims reproduce, while feminists don’t. A Muslim woman might have 5 kids, of which it takes only 16-17 years for a baby boy to become a fighting-age militant, and only 16-17 years for a baby girl to start cranking out more babies of her own.
    7) Feminists, who thought America pre-1965 was so bad, will have to face up to Islamic Sharia Law, where women have fewer rights than they ever had in even 18th-century America.

    Poetic justice indeed, with much collateral fallout along the way.

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  381. One other factor I would like to add, regarding technology.

    Even a generation ago, people expected to only live to be 60-65. Few made it past that age.

    But now, rapid medical advances will enable many people with a moderately healthy lifestyle to cross 100. Perhaps longer.

    That is well and good, but if you marry at age 30, you are legally bound to that woman for perhaps 70 years. The laws may change, but they could be even more against the man.

    70 years is a long time to be bound to someone.

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  382. 3. He has GAME

    The problem is, a man would have to have SUPREME Game to attempt this scenario. While a Higher Beta can learn a modest amount of game and still do well in casual dating, the level of Game needed to sustain marriage would have to be at the very pinnacle of expertise.

    The level of game needed to score with hot chicks a few times a year vs. to sustain a marriage is very different. Even serious PUAs have Beta relapse.

    Very few guys can do that. I doubt even Mystery could sustain his Game at that level over the course of a lengthy marriage and two kids.

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  383. I am an omega male. I have an omega female. We get on with anyone and everyone, alpha, beta, gamma you name it. Big deal. People are different. Some will pine , some like 2nd best. Give them a break.

    For me, this guy here has too much anger. Let your pain go. Stop blaming women, find the source. Confront and you’ll be a better man afterwards.

    I did.

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  384. I am both horrified and amused in equal amounts. Such hatred! I was victimized in a marriage to an alcoholic, (my fault for not noticing,) cheater, (I stopped being his enabler and he found another,) who couldn’t understand why, after giving him many opportunities to improve the situation, divorced him. Ohh, I got precious little out of it and live at a much lower socio-economic position. His new gf tried to “buy” my children’s affection, he almost killed both of them at different times by really stupid decisions, basically I knowingly chose to have less in the terms of the current world standards because he wasn’t worth it.

    And I still like men, lol. Although this diatribe gives me an interesting peek at the inside of men who hate.

    Yeah, I met some of you guys with “game”. Who are you kiddin’? You only find the women playing games. You haven’t any chance of meeting “good” women because you actually hate them. I do pity you.

    Sure, things are not as simple as monogamistic women and polygamous men. It isn’t about aggressive alpha vs beta, we just are not a wolf pack. For all the women who seek a rich man there are far more who just want a companion to raise children and share the quiet times and grandkids in old age. For all the men who want to game their way through as many women as they can, there are those men who love their families and have stayed with them. Why can’t I find one of those at this point? Well, they are still married and not on the market.

    Whatever version of marriage and family exist in a culture, stable cultures start in the families. Sure, not all families will meet the cultural “norm” but having most people expect the norm and be horrified when it is transgressed is important.

    I figure that in a generation our kids will start hating that there is no constancy. I find comfort in seeing the young men, including my son, raised in “broken” homes, loving their children. I recently saw a group of 3 young men and 5 kids walking in the mall. Not a woman in sight and they all looked like they were having fun.

    As the men are committed to loving their children they will do more to committing to the children’s mothers. This will give the family a new start. It may not look exactly the same as it has for the last few centuries, but it will be good for stability.

    I do grieve that they will have to go through a time of destruction like no other before. I am also aware that female equality is highly dependent of high tech. Upper arm strength just isn’t as important in the modern world. But I think the concept of respect for women will last. More importantly…our own self-respect will last.

    The only way to keep the subservient and quiet woman to the “alpha” males will be to keep them prisoner and slave. Of course, if that is the only way you can keep a woman….

    It is time to grow up and stop hating mommy by hating all women. Get over it.

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  385. on July 3, 2009 at 11:14 am GNPs are for Apes

    Marie,

    Not once did you acknowledge how extremely rigged the divorce laws are against men.

    Your empty sermonizing is meaningless. If you want marriage to become more common and more stable in society, marriage has to become more attractive to MEN, not women. Today, women have incentives to divorce their husbands for financial profit. Until this ends, don’t expect men to make all the sacrifices.

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  386. Does anyone think the obesity issue has any role in this? 50% of american women are overweight, more than anywhere else in the world. This means that a girl that is naturally a 7 thinks she’s 10 and has attitude to match. This probably explains why dating is so frustrating in the USA.

    I’ve lived in other countries and the situation is immensely better. The average forieign women is just better looking and this leads to less attitude from girls that aren’t extremely attractive.

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  387. on August 10, 2009 at 1:50 pm Martian Bachelor

    My one beef with Devlin’s essays is that he overlooks the emergence of game as a social phenomenon in reaction to the negative trends he correctly outlines. … it is just the same old reproductive arms race, this time with laser-guided cock bombs.
    Ok, I always liked to think of it as being something more like what was once called “charm school” – for men.

    Western society is obsessed with women to the point of mass neurosis (David Thomas), so I hope the continuance of the trend toward more and more men getting game will hasten the inevitable total breakdown and, hopefully, catharsis, followed by something better than what we now have. Sheesh, just about anything would be a distinct improvement.

    The promise to men way back when all this “change” started was that better conditions for women would give us more and better quality women. It didn’t exactly pan out that way.

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  390. The new link for the devlin essays is
    http://box.net/mensarefugee26388

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  391. Bitches and whores.

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  392. Thanks for cluing us into F. Roger Devlin. I’ve been reading his stuff. It good.

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