Secrets

A while back, I was sitting in my favorite bar savoring a delicious bison burger and a beer which I imagined was the best beer in the world because it had a long German name. It was a slow Sunday afternoon and the bar was nearly empty. Across the bar, about fifteen feet away, a leggy blonde walked in and settled on one of the stools, chatting up the bartender. She noticed me noticing her, and a flicker of nervousness froze her face momentarily. I had banged this girl on two separate nights many months ago. After the second banging, we (her? me? it’s unclear) cut off all contact. This was the first we had seen of each other since then.

A minute later, a guy came in and sat down next to Blondie. He leaned in to give her a kiss and she perceptibly flinched away from his approaching puckered lips. She looked annoyed. He smiled at her doofily while her face was turned the opposite way, then ordered a meal and talked about the game on the TV with another bartender. Every so often, I caught Blondie glancing in my direction. I made sure she knew I caught her.

I remember her mentioning something about a boyfriend she was planning to move in with when we hooked up, but like any well-bred devil-may-care alpha, I breezily dismissed it. An abstract concept. Not my moral crisis. The choice to cheat or not rested entirely with her. And now, here was the flesh and blood boyfriend, sitting mere feet from a man whose dick had penetrated his girlfriend’s wet pussy while he was setting aside separate dresser drawers for her panties, happily oblivious and looking very much like a normal dude.

I wanted fun. Feeling like a cenobite summoned by a fire and brimstone hellgod of the underworld to dispense the cruel justice of a sadist who loves to watch his victims squirm, I walked around the bar and stood next to her boyfriend pretending to get closer to the TV. Blondie wasn’t there; she had gone to the bathroom.

Me: Hey man, I don’t think the Skins can take Pittsburgh. Too much depth. [My inner voice: Your girlfriend’s pussy has depth.]

Him: What? It’s only the half. Pittsburgh falls apart late in the game.

[more sports small talk]

Me: This place is pretty good on a Sunday for watching the game. No drunk college kids. So you and your girlfriend come here a lot? [I saw your girlfriend’s labia.]

Him: Oh yeah, she’s a regular here, so I come once in a while when I’m in town.

Me: Yeah, I’m a regular too. I pretty much know everybody here, but I’ve only seen her around once or twice. So you’re from out of town? I respect someone who can make a long distance relationship work during these times. [I held your girlfriend’s long legs up pointing straight at the ceiling as I pounded her into submission]

Him: I’m planning to move into DC. We’re getting a place together. The long distance thing is tough, but you do what you have to to make it work.

Me: Yup. Number one thing: trust. Long distance can work if you can trust the girl. [She let me fuck her without a condom. I don’t know if I pulled out in time.]

Him: [looking over his shoulder at the women’s bathroom door] And if she can trust me!

Me: You know it! [She has blonde pubes.] Anyhow, if you’ve found a girl like that, hold on to her. I can tell you, those types are rare. [She sucked my cock like it was her last.]

[Blondie exits the bathroom and walks up next to the boyfriend, slowly taking a seat. Her face has gone ghostly white as she sees me talking to her boyfriend. I smile and wink.]

Me: Hey, what’s up. Nice to meet another regular. We were just chatting about the Skins’ chances for making it to the show this year. [Did your clitoris just quiver?]

Her: [eyes wide] Um, hi there. [her voice sounds artificially chirpy.]

If I had a hidden camera I would have taken a picture of her face right at that moment. The expression of fear, shock, shame, and even the blush of arousal was priceless. I detected a hint of nipple hardening. The hamster on her brain wheel was spinning frantically.

Me: Well, anyhow, I’m gonna get back to my food. I don’t want somebody else to eat it while I’m away. Nice to talk with you guys. [I shot a white hot load across the bow of her chest. A blob landed on the pillow next to her head. The pillow you have pressed your face into while sleeping.]

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Tyler Durden has written about the Secret Society. One where nearly all the attractive women, their best gay boyfriends, and a small number of alpha players share the bounty of glorious pussy. It is an organically emerged society no one talks about, or even recognizes as such. But exist it does, in practice if not in formality. Sluts are left to be sluts. Fidelity is an anachronism; a false morality for those ignorati outside the secret society. Everyone lives for good feelings. People who cause bad feelings are excommunicated. Everyone is cool. No one is beta. No one judges, no one pretends to care. The spice must flow. These are the rules.

Then a real sadistic prick comes along. A gatecrasher. A puppetmaster. The rules were made to be broken, he says. And he does. Gleefully.





Comments


  1. on October 23, 2008 at 5:58 pm ironrailsironweights

    She has blonde pubes

    Thank God.
    Not for the color, that’s not important, but for their very existence. All is not hopeless.

    Peter

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  2. Rules were created by society to protect the feelings of the weak. The awkward tension you create only makes the girl more interested. Ideally she’s with a new guy, or just met someone in the bar. At that point your I don’t give a fuck attitude changes everything. She’s watching you with other girls and you’re ignoring her, and her dismay can eventually become too much to hold back. The text after you walk out of the bar from her, asking why you didn’t talk to her, and where to meet her complete a great encounter.

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  3. Hm. In my experience, girls don’t get nervous at all in this kind of situation.

    Aroused maybe, but not nervous.

    If they know you are “secret society”, they know they can trust you not destroying their relationship.

    It is freakish to most men how cold women are when it comes to cheating on their lovely loser boyfriends.

    Scrap that. Alphas are not exempt to that treatment either.

    Female thinking in these matters is wonderfully caught by this quote from “Mad Men”, where Bobbie says to Don Draper:
    “I like being bad, and then going home and being good.”

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  4. It’s a shame the society is unwritten, for there is no codex to burn.

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  5. Just playing devil’s advocate…

    How does the system of negs, qualifys, etc. promote “good feelings” for all? I suspect the answer is that women subconsciously enjoy being qualified and forced to chase a high value man?

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  6. @5 Michael,

    Negs shouldn’t insults they should be funny slights. Qualification promotes a woman or man to talk about why he or she is of high value, and generally when you qualify a girl and she responds, you reward her with a positive response. The end result is that she has now spoken about why she is of value and you basically agreed with her, thus making her happy that her values/beliefs were up to par.

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  7. this whole idea is not limited to cheating. i have mixed feelings about game. there is one area, however, where the average man could stand to learn a thing or eight things: MLTRs and FWBs.

    so many men still have this idea that sex is a prize they get for following some set of courtship rules. it’s amazing how things change when you can communicate certain things to women. of course, you really have to be ok with the idea of women as sexual beings; otherwise, you’ll fall in love one day and be eaten up inside thinking of all the things she may or may not have done before you.

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  8. You cold bastard.
    My hats off to you. 🙂
    Its true what Durden says, women are surprisingly merciless when it comes to cheating, at least in my experience. Its all fun and games really, the boyfriend should be savvy to this, especially if its a long distance relationship. Its expected. Any other mindset and youre just being played for a sap.

    Hail and Kill.

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  9. Hm. I predict 300+ comments for this post by tomorrow morning. Maybe even sooner.

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  10. [I shot a white hot load across the bow of her chest. A blob landed on the pillow next to her head. The pillow you have pressed your face into while sleeping.]

    I travel lots for work. I’ll never sleep ojn a hotel pillow again. Thanks…

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  11. @7 Lance – For those still learning, could you define the acronyms “MLTR” and “FWB”?

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  12. Multiple Long Term Relationships and Friends with Benefits

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  13. “Well, anyhow, I’m gonna get back to my food. I don’t want somebody else to eat it while I’m away.”

    Heh. That was pretty devilish of you.

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  14. Well, anyhow, I’m gonna get back to my food. I don’t want somebody else to eat it while I’m away.

    Heh. That was pretty devilish of you.

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  15. Hmmm, smells kind like a good UFO/abduction story….

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  16. on October 23, 2008 at 7:10 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    When was the last time the Steelers played the Redskins on a Sunday? I throw the BS flag on this one. Not that your point is wrong.

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  17. When was the last time the Steelers played the Redskins on a Sunday?

    i keep the chronology of details in my posts deliberately vague or misleading.
    for obvious reasons.

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  18. #7, why would anybody want multiple long term relationships? I have enough trouble keeping my facts straight “seeing” multiple women. I generally cycle through women in quick several date pump (possibly a few times) and dumps, which is the only way I can keep things straight.

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  19. on October 23, 2008 at 7:27 pm monohechomierda

    @16 “When was the last time the Steelers played the Redskins on a Sunday?”

    back in november 2004…..

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  20. @18: While there is always the thrill of strange, there’s good reason for the ‘MLTR’.
    #1 Not all women are created equal. You enjoy some more than others. If she’s great, why get rid of her?
    #2 As she becomes more comfortable with you (which takes time), she not only learns what you like, but her boundaries go down. Generally this is what is necessary for three ways.
    #3 You don’t have to keep it all straight. Part of the point is that they know and accept that you see other women.

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  21. Bareback? Been tested? I don’t imagine you or he are the only ones.

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  22. To #20:

    Another reason, it keeps any one woman from getting too much power over you. When you and her both know you have backups, it changes the dynamic in your favor. Plus, it keeps you from being too needy since you are too busy to hang on her every email and phone call. When all your energies are focused on one girl, it’s easy for her to occupy your brain, easy for you to respond to quickly to every call or text, etc.

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  23. Right. There are attractive, enjoyable woman out there who accept knowing you have multiple long term relationships going on. Not just “I’m single and we’ve known each other for 2-3 weeks and fucked once. I’m aware he’s not my boyfriend” but “I’m his girlfriend. I know he has others”.

    I just saw a unicorn fly past my windows.

    I’ll put those girls at maybe .1% of our population.

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  24. @16 “When was the last time the Steelers played the Redskins on a Sunday?”

    back in november 2004…..”

    Assuming Roissy is telling the truth, more than just the chronological details of the story were altered. The Steelers were 15-1 in 2004, and the Redskins had a losing record in November that year, so there would be no reason Roissy would ask whether the couple thought the Skins would go all the way, and there’d be no reason why the guy would say that the Steelers fall apart in the end, unless they all knew nothing about football that year. Also, “too much depth” doesn’t read right.

    In a likelihood, they were discussing different teams, a different sport, or weren’t talking sports at all.

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  25. @ 22 Ricky Raw….Great point. You’ll become overly needy, as this is your only option, and lose your higher status with her quickly. The best thing to do is keep yourself out there, while learning to balance a few relationships, you don’t need to be taking them out to expensive dinners and buying gifts, but you need to learn how to find time for a few different chicks. The other advantage is you’ll be more relaxed when you meet different girls as you know you have a backup and when your confidence is that strong girls can just sense it.

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  26. I just saw a unicorn fly past my windows.

    I’ll put those girls at maybe .1% of our population.

    It’s not the girls that are .1% of the population, it’s the guys with enough game to pull it off and sell the idea that are rare. More girls are down with that than you think. Look at pimps, celebrities, and Mormons. A big secret that most men don’t know is that the typical woman, if given the choice between sharing a high status man with other women or having a beta all to herself, would prefer the former. Plus, women often enter into these circumstances suffering from “magic pussy” syndrome, where they intellectually appreciate the odds are against them, but ignore those risks because they think their vagina is so off-the-wall special it will make the guy drop everything and exclusively dedicate himself to her. Of course by the time she realizes it will never happen, how much time has passed by?

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  27. You’re still no alpha Roissy. You claim to have had a couple of groin spasms inside the cervix of some poor schmuck’s girlfriend. That’s not alpha, that’s player. And dumping your verbal slops on the guy inside your own mind, cracking yourself up with your own cleverness, but not for a second taking the chance of saying out loud anything that would get you spanked…that’s not alpha either.

    Too much of the skulker, the sneak, the pickpocket. Too much of the clever little cad. Too many smirks. All those double-entendres! If only you’d actually thought of them at the time.

    The incident in the story never happened, of course. It’s the ironist in you again. My hats off to you though. Fooled your little player wannabes one more time.

    Sorry to sound so dismissive. But you haven’t answered any of my objections to the worth of your definition of alpha. Which doesn’t sound very alpha to me. And after you made that comment about me entering some nightmare demon realm (what?) by daring to question the worth of your values.

    Some nightmare. Some demon. Some alpha. Sure.

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  28. Assuming Roissy is telling the truth, more than just the chronological details of the story were altered.

    correct. i often alter trivial, irrelevant details in my posts to throw potential enemies off my scent.

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  29. beta:
    You’re still no alpha Roissy. You claim to have had a couple of groin spasms inside the cervix of some poor schmuck’s girlfriend. That’s not alpha, that’s player. And dumping your verbal slops on the guy inside your own mind, cracking yourself up with your own cleverness, but not for a second taking the chance of saying out loud anything that would get you spanked…that’s not alpha either.

    Too much of the skulker, the sneak, the pickpocket. Too much of the clever little cad. Too many smirks. All those double-entendres! If only you’d actually thought of them at the time.

    The incident in the story never happened, of course. It’s the ironist in you again. My hats off to you though. Fooled your little player wannabes one more time.

    Sorry to sound so dismissive. But you haven’t answered any of my objections to the worth of your definition of alpha. Which doesn’t sound very alpha to me. And after you made that comment about me entering some nightmare demon realm (what?) by daring to question the worth of your values.

    Some nightmare. Some demon. Some alpha. Sure.

    looks like i hit a nerve.

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  30. PatrickH might seem a little too bitter, that’s true… but he does have a point.

    An alpha wouldn’t be quite such a bitch about this the way you were.

    It’s sneaking. It’s cowardly. Very passive aggressive.

    That said, more power to you. Villains are more entertaining than heroes, and that’s what this site is for most of us: entertainment. But I’d think you’d be a little less proud of this passive-aggressive behavior.

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  31. guy who works in a new england state wrote:
    An alpha wouldn’t be quite such a bitch about this the way you were.

    doesn’t make sense not to live for fun.

    It’s sneaking. It’s cowardly. Very passive aggressive.

    coming from you this is rich. and you know what i’m talking about, stalkerboy.

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  32. Connecticut. But it’s really more a suburb of NYC than anything else.

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  33. “I don’t want somebody else to eat it while I’m away.”

    Roissy, tell me you intended for that statement to be a metaphor for what you did to his girlfriend. The boyfriend couldn’t know, but her face had to flush when you said it.

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  34. What the hell is that in the pic???

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  35. One of the problems with MLTR is that you have to BE so overwhelmingly alpha to get away with it. Many’s the time I’ve built a potential little harem of 5s, only to have them flee when I brought up the MLTR aspect. You could do it with 9s, of course, but then you have to get 9s. “Magic Pussy Syndrome” seems to peak at the 5-7 range, for completely understandable and predictable reasons.

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  36. Roissy, tell me you intended for that statement to be a metaphor for what you did to his girlfriend.

    it was intended.
    the conversation as written is, give or take a few words and minor details, accurately representative of what was said.

    The boyfriend couldn’t know, but her face had to flush when you said it.

    i don’t know if it registered with her. i like to think there was a delayed reaction as she walked home later and mulled over what i said. i amused myself causing her distress.

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  37. What the hell is that in the pic???

    a scaled down model of my penis.

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  38. It’s not the girls that are .1% of the population, it’s the guys with enough game to pull it off and sell the idea that are rare. More girls are down with that than you think. Look at pimps, celebrities, and Mormons. A big secret that most men don’t know is that the typical woman, if given the choice between sharing a high status man with other women or having a beta all to herself, would prefer the former. Plus, women often enter into these circumstances suffering from “magic pussy” syndrome, where they intellectually appreciate the odds are against them, but ignore those risks because they think their vagina is so off-the-wall special it will make the guy drop everything and exclusively dedicate himself to her. Of course by the time she realizes it will never happen, how much time has passed by?

    pimps – define this. You mean the ones in the 50s walking the streets of Brooklyn in pimp canes? The “whores” they sold, as well as likely banged themselves didn’t really have a choice. I imagine it was required to be his employee.

    celebrities – I still can’t see more than a small % of females knowingly in a relationship with someone else. Even Tom Brady – sure tons of girls want to fuck him. But a harem of attractive girls that want LTRs with him that are willing to share on a long term? Right. I picture each of them saying “Tom, I want to be more than your fuck buddy. I’m ready for an exclusive relationship” and Tom says “No I have other girlfriends besides you.” and then the female throwing in the towel. If you want to claim otherwise, you need to reference something besides “It’s a big secret”.

    Mormans – the ones that actually practice this in Utah might up .1% to a full .5% of the American population.

    Still not buying what you are selling.

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  39. I think 27 is correct.

    The secret society for sure exists, but Roissy doesn’t seem like a member…too bitter. The SS members I’ve known (I’m not one) are pretty happy people. Why wouldn’t they be?

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  40. the guy who pouts like a girl:
    The secret society for sure exists, but Roissy doesn’t seem like a member…too bitter.

    does imagining i’m bitter help ease the pain caused when you read my words?
    yes.

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  41. You could do it with 9s, of course, but then you have to get 9s. “Magic Pussy Syndrome” seems to peak at the 5-7 range, for completely understandable and predictable reasons.

    Really? I always figured Magic Pussy Syndrome (MPS) was higher the hotter the girl was. Interesting, anyone else have any insight on the relationship of hotness to level of MPS…?

    I was never a fan of MLTR, but my college roommate was. He would get some girls you’d never expect to agree to it to agree to it. He’s the one who told me about Magic Pussy Syndrome. When a girl would realize the other girls weren’t going anywhere, she’d usually give him an ultimatum, which he was totally expecting to come at some point. At that point, he’d just say “Fine, see you later…”

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  42. It’s Moby Dick’s dick, chic. Roissy is getting mentally primed for the inevitability of a lifetime of harpooning whales, since he’s devoid of higher porpoise. Oh, Roissy! Oh, hu-manatee!

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  43. @ 23 Nate: I spit out my coffee on that one. Agreed! I would say when a woman is okay that you have other options, it probably isn’t that serious of a relationship, at least not without some SERIOUS money (yours or family), or a ring. If a woman is okay with that, and your personal stock isn’t high enough to justify that sort of behavior, you need to have higher standards for women you have relationships with.

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  44. What the hell is that in the pic???

    a scaled down model of my penis.

    If it really looked like that, you would have a hard time finding a woman to sleep with you.

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  45. on October 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm Peregrine John

    While I recover from the mental bruises caused by Gordan’s punnery, a question for roissy:

    Durden has always (that I’ve seen, anyway) been dodgy about the specifics of subcommunication, though he sometimes points out examples of doing it wrong. Can you lend advice about that? Might be better done as a full post, but maybe a few specifics could be put here.

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  46. a lot of this MLTR talk misses the mark. do i have, or want, five different ‘girlfriends’ at the same time? no. when i’m in a real relationship, i’m in a relationship with one woman.

    the point is that not every girl is trying to rope you into being her boyfriend. there are many, many woman out there who are happy to find a fuck buddy who knows how to fuck them well, doesn’t judge their behavior, and gives them space. it’s funny how many of the stereotypes we attach to women (being clingy, jealous, or making to much out of a hook up) are really more prevalent in guys.

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  47. roissy the wordsmithy,

    PatrickH made an essential point about your misappropriating the term “alpha”, rather than the well-recognized term “player”. You haven’t responded; instead making ad hominems and name-calling. You could re-establish credibility by simply using the player term.

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  48. Roissy, that was one of your most brilliant pieces ever, but I cant help feeling that your living a Edward Hopper existence.

    Aptly titled “Excursion in philosophy”, I though you might like this
    this.

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  49. Y’all need to stop kvetching about Roissy like a bunch of girls. The salient point of this story was not the messenger but the message:

    There are rules for the clueless and the weak, and there are rules for the fortunate and the aware. To the girl in the story, her cheating on her borefriend was probably as easy as slipping off her shoes. For her boyfriend, it was an Act Of Moral Turpitude.

    One has not fully experienced the soul-killing Shiv of Truth until one has made an exception for that “special girl” — only to find out later that she too gags herself on alpha-cock like a porno pro.

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  50. 34 Chic:

    What the hell is that in the pic???

    Your nightmare, LickLover.

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  51. 44 Chic:

    If it really looked like that, you would have a hard time finding a woman to sleep with you.

    Maybe, but do you think hehwould have a hard time working the middle and hitting the sides?

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  52. ^^^He would break through the middle and ripe out the sides.

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  53. a lot of this MLTR talk misses the mark. do i have, or want, five different ‘girlfriends’ at the same time? no. when i’m in a real relationship, i’m in a relationship with one woman.

    the point is that not every girl is trying to rope you into being her boyfriend.

    I don’t think anyone is claiming that. Someone in this thread brought up MLTR’s, then someone else brought up if such things were possible.

    Personally I’m with you, I prefer a long-term relationship with one person or multiple fuck-buddies, but multiple long-term relationships have never interested me after a certain age. But of course not every girl is trying to rope you into being her boyfriend. These are the great fuck buddy types. The types willing to enter in multiple long term relationships rather than multiple fuck buddy relationships though, at least on a subconscious level, ARE hoping to rope you into that.

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  54. What the hell is that in the pic???

    Your nightmare, LickLover

    You men are never going to let me live that down are you?

    😦

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  55. A couple of observations. First, this sort of thing, i.e. cheating on various boyfriends, with women basically sharing a few high-status guys, is far more common than people think. It would appear from various indicators that it is more the exception than the rule. One being the high amount of divorce.

    Second, I think Roissy’s actions were incredibly dangerous. The girl could have confessed to her boyfriend, and Roissy faces retaliation. Recall, the guy gets humiliated, is angry, not thinking, and can be very, very dangerous. I don’t care how big and formidable Roissy is, any man can be killed by another using a weapon.

    Roissy, I think that was stupid. Just plain stupid. And not very Alpha, either. A true Alpha does not seek to humiliate other men, particularly since they can and will eventually retaliate.

    Machiavelli points out in the Prince that a particular Roman Emperor used to constantly humiliate a close aide. Even had the man’s brother put to death. The Emperor himself was a battle-trained ex-Centurion, no slouch in combat. The aide of course killed him. Knowing he himself faced brutal torture and execution, after he snapped.

    A true Alpha knows even the most beta guy can be dangerous and requires careful handling.

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  56. anony:
    PatrickH made an essential point about your misappropriating the term “alpha”, rather than the well-recognized term “player”. You haven’t responded; instead making ad hominems and name-calling. You could re-establish credibility by simply using the player term.

    whose credibility? yours? it is to laugh. you already surrendered that when i spanked the shit out of you for evading my leetle questions regarding the differences between men’s and women’s fertility.

    i don’t use the term player as a catch-all because it is not a suitable substitute for what i was discussing. yours, and patrick’s, premise is incorrect. the way i define alpha is not a misappropriation of the term. an alpha is a man women want to fuck. a player is an alpha who chooses to give them what they want.

    slumlord:
    Roissy, that was one of your most brilliant pieces ever

    hey, it’s me.

    Aptly titled “Excursion in philosophy”, I though you might like this.

    i do. i’m a big hopper fan. whether his paintings reflect the reality of my existence is a speculation i will leave to the readers.

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  57. [She let me fuck her without a condom. I don’t know if I pulled out in time.] & [She sucked my cock like it was her last.]

    ^^^ 😯
    things a woman should never do with a man who is not her husband or at the very least a boyfriend who you think you can trust.

    If I had a hidden camera I would have taken a picture of her face right at that moment. The expression of fear, shock, shame, and even the blush of arousal was priceless
    I would have had a stroke or a seizure.

    Everyone lives for good feelings. People who cause bad feelings are excommunicated

    Ah, my type of place.

    You really took a chance. That sh*t was cruel. If that guy ever discovers what you did with his girlfriend, you will get the worst asswiping of your life. You had the nerve to smile in his face, how could you??? What type of shicko are you??? Maaaaaan never in a million years could I pull off something like that, my guilty conscious too a part of me. You know what, I don’t believe this story. I refuse to believe it.

    *shakes head &screams no like sibel*
    :smh:

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  58. I think Patrick H @27 furiously masturbated while writing that post about Roissy. He is sooo in love. How cute. Only a closeted jealous gay man would write such a bitchy post about another guy.

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  59. whiskey:
    The girl could have confessed to her boyfriend, and Roissy faces retaliation.

    i correctly judged that she wouldn’t confess. based on what i knew of her, there was no way she was going to jeopardize her relationship with her BF.

    A true Alpha does not seek to humiliate other men, particularly since they can and will eventually retaliate.

    it wasn’t him i was seeking to humiliate.
    it was her.
    he is unscathed as long as he remains ignorant of it. which he likely will for as long as they are together.
    but she bore the full brunt of my shaming.
    i rubbed her betrayal in her face, in the worst possible way — she can never look her BF in the face without the sour thoughts of her whore nature making a mockery of her lies.

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  60. One has not fully experienced the soul-killing Shiv of Truth until one has made an exception for that “special girl” — only to find out later that she too gags herself on alpha-cock like a porno pro.

    It’s the women only desire alphas/players mantra at work. That beta male could never really get his girlfriend to do that at all, but he has two choices. To remain in his native state, or to adopt the style and flavour of a player. In the case of my Russian friend, he received the Shiv of Truth twice, and he naturally became a player and chased after girls with much success, and apparently, he too can get a girl to gag too…

    If it really looked like that, you would have a hard time finding a woman to sleep with you.

    It appears to be circumcised, so other than size, it may work out for you, Chic. 🙂

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  61. One has not fully experienced the soul-killing Shiv of Truth until one has made an exception for that “special girl” — only to find out later that she too gags herself on alpha-cock like a porno pro.

    Tupac is one of the initiated.

    There are guys who are in the know, and then there are the guys who tell you they “know” their girlfriend is not cheating on them the moment she excused herself to the bathroom after giving you the “follow me inconspicuously and I will give you the BJ of your life” look.

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  62. she can never look her BF in the face without the sour thoughts of her whore nature making a mockery of her lies

    Do you think she’ll stay with him (for his money) or will she leave to chase the Roissy experience from another man, or hell, return to Roissy?

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  63. @ 61 Tyler Durden

    For men like myself, I guess the only course of action is to presume that a future girlfriend and wife is currently cheating on them, and to act accordingly.

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  64. If it really looked like that, you would have a hard time finding a woman to sleep with you.

    It appears to be circumcised, so other than size, it may work out for you, Chic.

    *DEAD DEAD DEAD*

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  65. I think they cut to the bone.

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  66. 54 Chic:

    You men are never going to let me live that down are you?

    Oh, I can think of ways you could sway my judgement…

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  67. Whiskey saidSecond, I think Roissy’s actions were incredibly dangerous. The girl could have confessed to her boyfriend, and Roissy faces retaliation. Recall, the guy gets humiliated, is angry, not thinking, and can be very, very dangerous. I don’t care how big and formidable Roissy is, any man can be killed by another using a weapon.

    Roissy, I think that was stupid. Just plain stupid. And not very Alpha, either. A true Alpha does not seek to humiliate other men, particularly since they can and will eventually retaliate.

    A true Alpha knows even the most beta guy can be dangerous and requires careful handling.

    I agree with Whiskey 100%. Whiskey and I bump heads frequently, but here we both agree.
    *gives whiskey a kiss on the cheek for good measure*

    I could never do this to another female for a number of reasons:
    1. My guilty conscious
    2. In the reverse, there is a good chance that the girlfriend may have caught on to what I was doing. I value my baby smooth skin too much to have it beat or sliced up.
    3. I would never want another woman to do something like this to me.

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  68. “I wanted fun. Feeling like a cenobite summoned by a fire and brimstone hellgod of the underworld to dispense the cruel justice of a sadist who loves to watch his victims squirm”
    -Alphas BASK AND TAKE JOY in the most awkward of situations….

    Conan. What is good in life?
    To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentations of the women.

    True Alphas wallow and bask and roll around in their success.

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  69. slumlord:
    I think they cut to the bone.

    you misspelled boner.

    chic lick:
    *gives whiskey a kiss on the cheek for good measure*

    what, no lick?

    how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie chic?
    here come our beta testers to find out!

    I would never want another woman to do something like this to me.

    women should start doing this to other women. a little of the ol’ shaming might help set things right.

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  70. Damn, Roissy. I’m beginning to understand why Muslims cloister their women.

    26 Ricky Raw “Of course by the time she realizes it will never happen, how much time has passed by?”
    ====
    Lisa: “Wow, Krusty is just impossible. How can you stand him?”
    Krusty the Clown’s hot secretary, bitterly: “I’ve been asking myself that question for fifteen years.”

    27 Patrick H
    ===
    The man’s girlfriends have been unfaithful too much, methinks

    38 “The ‘whores’ they sold, as well as likely banged themselves didn’t really have a choice.
    === Nate, you need to get out more.

    60 David Alexander
    === Uh, yeah, they circumcise whales…it’s a religious thing.

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  71. roissy @ 54.

    ” you already surrendered that when i spanked the shit out of you for evading my leetle questions regarding the differences between men’s and women’s fertility.”

    I had already addressed the role of female infertility several posts prior to your comment. I saw no need to restate it. I felt “please reread my comment above” would have been condescending.

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  72. Roissywould never want another woman to do something like this to me.

    women should start doing this to other women. a little of the ol’ shaming might help set things right

    They do and as T can attest, there are plenty of NYC women with the face marks to prove it.

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  73. Roissy: i rubbed her betrayal in her face, in the worst possible way — she can never look her BF in the face without the sour thoughts of her whore nature making a mockery of her lies.

    Hmmm. Seems to me it hasn’t bothered her to look at him for the many months since you slept with her. Why would it bother her now?

    I suspect that even if she had been worried, it now bothers her even less because she knows you aren’t going to say anything about it to her bf. You had your opportunity and didn’t take it.

    She can now assume that is how most men would react and feel free to have even MORE encounters with other men without worry.

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  74. They do and as T can attest, there are plenty of NYC women with the face marks to prove it.

    don’t be dense. the kind of shaming that it is clear i am talking about does not involve physical violence.

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  75. Seems to me it hasn’t bothered her to look at him for the many months since you slept with her. Why would it bother her now?

    sometimes a physical reminder — like for instance my presence — and an awkward situation designed to leave the maximum memory imprint, is adequate to sear the soul with shame and poison the heart’s well.

    after all, it’s easy to bury one’s shame when it’s safely and predictably out of sight, out of mind.

    She can now assume that is how most men would react and feel free to have even MORE encounters with other men without worry.

    just the opposite. if all her illicit lovers did what i did, she’d be highly incentivized to circumscribe her whorish ways.
    but the gist of what you’re saying is essentially true — character is destiny.

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  76. Women do shame each other for sluttiness, but I notice that doesn’t stop the shamers from being whores in their own private lives. This lead me to suspect that when women bash each other for being sluts, it’s not the actual sluttiness that disgusts them. Otherwise the judgers wouldn’t do the same things themselves behind closed doors. What they’re really bashing them for is being reckless and not having enough discretion and smarts to avoid getting caught. Basically, the crime is not cheating or being slutty, but doing it in a crude, reckless way like a man. We men are good at a lot of things, but women have a social intelligence when it comes to cheating and manipulating that most of us can’t even come close to matching.

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  77. you misspelled boner.

    Mine’s bigger than yours.

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  78. on October 23, 2008 at 11:25 pm becoming alpha but slowly

    sometime back i emailed you about a girl on whose crotch i found my hand and didnt do much. inexperience. well i read ur reply, u in all your goodness replied too late. but needless t say, i sure did turn her off by my inactions and no poon since then. she was ice cold the next dday i tried talking to her, understandably. i would have been.
    so here is the scenario now, we stopped talking, then she would initiatie wondering why i am not callin her, then we go talking hang out, she is enjoying the attention no npoon, then i stop again, then she sends a text again and we go in this cycle. been about twice now. i do like her, she is a small town chick in a big city (blah blah fucking blah) the one thing i remember is u talking about the dfferent type of girls and u highly praised teachers. she is a teacher and mostly consistent to what u said. long story short, i dont like this behavior i should jsut forget about her. she is back now, how do i regain (not that i ever had) power in this, used loosely, relationship. what does she want, how do i get what i wnat (i am sure you know)? do a good thing this week, answer soonest.

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  79. on October 23, 2008 at 11:31 pm becoming alpha but slowly

    Just read the post, brutal. but its the game.

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  80. anony misremembered:
    I had already addressed the role of female infertility several posts prior to your comment. I saw no need to restate it.

    actually, you hadn’t addressed it. so you wouldn’t be restating anything. i’ll ask you my leetle question once more, and if you evade again, i’ll spank you again, and then ban you for good measure like your cunty doppleganger yours truly:

    the PRIMARY determinant for whether a couple will have a child AT ALL is the woman’s age. do you dispute this?

    a simple yes or no answer will do.

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  81. Mine’s bigger than yours.

    your mom disagrees.

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  82. You did not use a condom Roissy? This story sounds fishy. So what STD are you hoping to get: warts, syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, or whatever new, strange concoctions are now being brewed out there in fuckland . If this chick fucks so easily you know she has been with enough men that her vagina is probably a petri dish of sexual diseases and infections.

    I would only fuck her with a condom.

    I had friend who once fucked a girl and a few days later he was complaining about the “green, putrid ooze” coming out of his dick. Sorry, no pussy is worth that price.

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  83. @80. roissy,

    “if you evade again, i’ll spank you again, and then ban you for good measure ”

    I prefer to be banned than to grovel. Feel free.

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  84. Condom discipline is a thing not easily mastered.

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  85. T saidWomen do shame each other for sluttiness, but I notice that doesn’t stop the shamers from being whores in their own private lives. This lead me to suspect that when women bash each other for being sluts, it’s not the actual sluttiness that disgusts them

    T it’s usually a bit of projection when women go on and on about other woman being sluts. In a way it’s equal to the “st8′ guy going on and on about how he hates gays.

    Mine’s bigger than yours.

    your mom disagrees.

    *DEAD*

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  86. Scott
    Condom discipline is a thing not easily mastered.

    REALLY?

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  87. Racer X
    Condoms aren’t 100L% when it comes to the herp & a pat on the back for using them.

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  88. You are a very bad man Roissy ….

    But I like you.

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  89. T it’s usually a bit of projection when women go on and on about other woman being sluts. In a way it’s equal to the “st8′ guy going on and on about how he hates gays.

    I never understand when the PC crowd uses this line of logic. For example liberals are obsessed with bashing GW Bush. Does that mean they are closet neocons? Or you go on and on about PUAs and players? Does that mean you secretly like them?

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  90. liberals are obsessed with bashing GW Bush
    Everybody bashes GWB 😆

    Oh God>>>>>> liberal, conservative, and PC crowd. Can we please stop using these words!

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  91. T:

    Women do shame each other for sluttiness, but I notice that doesn’t stop the shamers from being whores in their own private lives. This lead me to suspect that when women bash each other for being sluts, it’s not the actual sluttiness that disgusts them.

    Does *anyone* really have a problem with sluttiness? Sluttiness among women, well, I figure that just increases the probability that some of its will be directed towards me.

    The real problem seems to be the infidelity, not the sluttiness. Man or woman, I would consider someone who cheats on their spouse or committed partner to be something of a scumbag.

    Sleep around as much as you want, fine… but *NOT* if you promise your partner that you aren’t going to.

    Then again, perhaps it’s just too much to expect honesty and candor these days.

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  92. zorgon:
    Does *anyone* really have a problem with sluttiness?

    it’s good in a pinch.

    The real problem seems to be the infidelity, not the sluttiness.

    perhaps. but present sluttiness often predicts future infidelity. after all, there’s a reason men are programmed to aver committing to loose women. and why the virgin is still prized in so many cultures.
    in fact, it’s also prized in the west, but we’ve beta-ized ourselves enough to know not to say those thoughts out loud.

    Sleep around as much as you want, fine… but *NOT* if you promise your partner that you aren’t going to.

    promises are the phantom assurances for the gullible.
    you want promises? be the man she won’t have to promise not to cheat on. i give handy instructions for how to do that in the links at the top of my blog.

    Then again, perhaps it’s just too much to expect honesty and candor these days.

    expectations are for dreamers. winners prefer incentives.

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  93. anony admitted defeat once more:
    I prefer to be banned than to grovel.

    i don’t want you to grovel, miss anony, i want you to answer the question.

    anyhow, i’ll take your non-answer as a “no”.

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  94. Actually, the situation for this beta, maybe a high beta (this apparently some kind of alpha girl was quite interested in keeping him on the hook as a marriage option down the road), is even worse in several ways than Roissy has made explicit here. Let me spell it out for you.

    How do you suppose she would react if she discovered, perhaps from a friend back home, that here official long distance bf had in fact slept with another girl, even once? Do you suppose she’d shrug it off, at let it slide, figuring that she too had sinned, at least after her investigations showed it hadn’t been a regular pattern for him? No chance. EXTREMELY unlikely these days, as in never happen (with an alpha girl/high beta bf). How about she puts him through the ringer about it, but then when she determines he does feel guilty, has no sense of entitlement, and will never do it again, she confesses that once, just once (no doubt a lie) she cheated too? Nope, no chance.

    She’s actually very likely to break up with him. She’s likely to do so even if she discovers he’s probably only cheated once, or very little, and she knows she’s cheated a whole hell of a lot.

    She’s thinking when she hears he’s cheated that “he isn’t the man she thought he was”. What that means is that a large part of HIS value to her was his presumed reliability and faithfulness. She doesn’t expect that of men like Roissy et. al. She did of HIM. She wanted him for his faithfulness, lack of drama and provider ability, esp. if she’s not a high earning professional herself. She won’t put up with anywhere near as much from him as she would from an alpha male, who she thinks of as thrilling, rather than dependable and stable.

    Yes she’s applying a thorough double standard to him versus herself. Yuup. She feels fully entitled before marriage. These days and increasingly she’s likely to feel entitled after marriage as well, at least after a few years.

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  95. What this post conveyed to me:

    1) Girl is a slut. You may have an STD (you didn’t use a condom?!) She’s fucking you, but has a boyfriend… What makes you think she isn’t fucking every other guy in Adams Morgan?

    2) Boyfriend is a db. Probably with her because he can’t do better.

    3) You think every woman is turned on by your presence. When you probably slept with her while one of you (her most likely) was under the influence. Her nipples hardened? What, are you the indomitable snow man?

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  96. To restate in fewer words.

    If she hears from back home that he’s cheated on her, she will be unlikely to forgive him, or will do so only VERY reluctantly, but instead is likely to kick him to the curb.

    At the same time she will FULLY expect him to forgive her if he finds out she has cheated. Forgive her and never bring it up again. Ever. She doesn’t want him to, since she knows she will lose some moral authority if he does, but she still won’t actually feel that guilty most likely (definitely won’t if it doesn’t come from her parents – it sure won’t come from our entertainment media morality as applied to women). She will expect to be forgiven and will punish him big if he dwells upon it. Meanwhile she’ll feel completely entitled to revisit any cheating of his she discovers essentially forever.

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  97. your mom disagrees.

    But your father said I was bigger.

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  98. Roissy, why should she feel shame? She was horny, bf is out of town and a willing male was around. Sleeping with you a second night is not the actions of someone who is ashamed.

    She may have feared you would tell her bf. But she did not feel shame.

    Women are very good at justifying in their minds any of their behavior. She would not feel shame.

    But after running into you and seeing you keep silent, she does not have to be afraid you will tell her bf.

    I wonder how many guys on this board have told the bf they slept with his girlfriend? I think none. No one would want to humiliate the guy in public because they would not want it done to them.

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  99. Something about this post sure made me excited.

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  100. “Cenobite”, “the spice must flow”?

    Not to question your current pussy magnet status, but just how much of a nerd did you use to be?

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  101. JaJaJa:

    I wonder how many guys on this board have told the bf they slept with his girlfriend? I think none. No one would want to humiliate the guy in public because they would not want it done to them.

    How about: “because I don’t have a death wish”?

    If there was a way to safely, anonymously let him know, I’d probably use it.

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  102. Tyler Durden has written about the Secret Society. One where nearly all the attractive women, their best gay boyfriends, and a small number of alpha players share the bounty of glorious pussy. It is an organically emerged society no one talks about, or even recognizes as such. But exist it does, in practice if not in formality. Sluts are left to be sluts. Fidelity is an anachronism; a false morality for those ignorati outside the secret society. Everyone lives for good feelings. People who cause bad feelings are excommunicated. Everyone is cool. No one is beta. No one judges, no one pretends to care. The spice must flow. These are the rules.

    Wow.

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  103. Roissy, why should she feel shame? She was horny, bf is out of town and a willing male was around. Sleeping with you a second night is not the actions of someone who is ashamed.

    She may have feared you would tell her bf. But she did not feel shame.

    Women are very good at justifying in their minds any of their behavior. She would not feel shame.

    100% agreed. Women are experts at justifying this behavior and placing the blame on it at the foot of the beta they’re cuckolding. Anyone who doubts this should reread the Devlin essay on Women’s Infidelity, or read the book Women’s Infidelity: http://www.womensinfidelity.com

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  104. At least if Roissy had told the guy he may have saved the dude from a miserable marriage and messy divorce down the road.

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  105. @ 104

    I disagree about snitching to the guy, Ben, risks outweigh the benefit. He may be cheating up a storm himself, in which case they’re made for each other, or he may be so beta that he is madder at Roissy than he is with her, stays with her, and makes Roissy’s life hell. Finds out where he lives, works, who knows? Or she may give him some fake story that Roissy was a guy who offered to walk her home and tried to rape her, etc., anything to bail herself out, you have no idea what kind of lie she may tell. Fuck that, let him find out the hard way…

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  106. Roissy — what if you were wrong, what if the girl gets drunk, tearful, whatever, and figures “confession is good for the soul?”

    Then the guy is figuring, “hey that guy did that to humiliate me.” I’ve been around jealous guys and my own self in that state, it’s pretty ugly. You’re basically riding it all on your assessment of the woman’s ability to keep quiet, and for what payoff ??

    I just don’t see what you got out of it. Even humiliating the woman, why? You had sex, it ended who cares? If it had been me, I would simply have been discreet and left. Her path was her own to walk.

    Chic — thanks. I just figure discretion is always the better part of valor and humiliation of someone is the sign of weakness. If you are truly Alpha, you never need to humiliate someone. People will know your strength *already*.

    In fact, I’ll go further. If a man knows a woman is with a boyfriend or husband (particularly) he should decline her favors. Too many other options, particularly for an Alpha. Strength is being able to say no, particularly to inappropriate women, so we can all get along without killing each other and avoiding inflicting pain if we can. I figure that’s Alpha.

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  107. But your father said I was bigger.

    aaand… that killed it.

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  108. Roissy, you are a low life.

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  109. Roissy,

    Do you ever watch “The Office”? I’m slightly reminded of Andy Bernard having no clue Angela is still having sex with Dwight.

    “The bread is poison and it’s not you’re real family: You’ve been cuckolded by a stronger, smarter male.” – Dwight

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  110. I thought Alpha Males were supposed to teach us lesser men how to get good women, not rag on us for being lesser men?

    Roissy, how could you? 😦

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  111. For example liberals are obsessed with bashing GW Bush. Does that mean they are closet neocons?

    You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve seen European lefties bashing Bush for trying to take away some freedom or right that has never existed here or being only a “theocrat” ie. only slightly *more* secularist than the average European politician. Similarily, if you can read French, you’ll notice how you can’t actually find that many French liberals all ashamed about France having tried its own designs on the Arab world. Neoconnery is awful if you’re not in charge.

    Or you go on and on about PUAs and players? Does that mean you secretly like them?

    Of course it does. If she were really confident that she couldn’t be “tricked” and could just say no to every player that comes her way, there’d be no reason to hang out on player blogs to complain about players.

    A person who’s never going to fall for, say, a 419 scam isn’t going to be hanging out wherever it is that 419 scammers hang out to complain about how evil they are. He’ll just shrug and grumble about the time it takes to delete those emails.

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  112. There are four possibilities for men like roissy:

    From the shit we see women doing, (i.e.: Me having a threesome with two girls, in the bed of the boyfriend of one), we loose total trust in women, and some even form disgust for women in any area other than no strings attached sport fucking. (Me, not seeing any point in investing emotionally into a woman…)

    Keep one or few primary women, and continue sport fucking others. (friend of mine… 300 lays and counting… Never will be able to settle down)

    Some men do find a woman worthy being a mother, and then they live for their kids. Woman being accessory. (A guy who got a girl pregnant and then decided family is the way to go… This guy was banging nothing less than 9’s)

    Some men will be played heavily by a woman who is playing nice girl- slut only to you game, get the curtain pulled on their face and live their life in devotion for that woman. (i.e. Lisa in the Style book. Style did not seduce her, he got seduced by her into thinking he seduced her. i.e.: My friend who after playing around for some time fell in love with this alcoholic woman playing Virgin Mary when sober)

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  113. @ 76 & 91

    men condemn sluttiness because it reminds men of something that they don’t have: the ability to get laid at will. this leads to insecurity about both their own ability to get laid, and the virtue of their partners. women condemn sluttiness because they see promiscuous women as a threat. a threat to their relationships, and perhaps more importantly, a threat to their ability to use sex as a reward for men.

    once you’ve purged yourself of unnecessary jealousy and hate, slut ceases to be a pejorative. instead, it becomes a term of endearment.

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  114. I thought that “Secret Society” used to go by a few other names, “Upper Crust”, “Wealthy”, and people rich enough to not give a damn. The wealth has been spread around indeed if this is considered new news. Isn’t it usually the very wealthy and very poor who are more relaxed/realistic about sexual standards? One can afford to, and the other is too poor to ignore it. The

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  115. I thought that *the*

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  116. we lose total trust in women

    Once you reach that point in game where you can pull things off like that, it’s like taking the blue pill.

    You will see the matrix and what is hidden beneath it.

    And there is no way back.

    Hence the only possibility for men like roissy and you, z.g., is to avoid strong feelings for a woman.

    You will either have to stay away from anything long term, or accept the fact that sooner or later someone will come along and make her drop her panties.

    Don’t fool yourself that this won’t happen if you’re her alpha. It lowers the risk, but the longer she’s on your side the more she’ll feel that itch for strange in her loins.

    If you want kids makes at least sure their yours. If all men start using DNA paternity tests, things might take an interesting turn again…

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  117. fucking awesome…

    Roissy, how often do you fly solo?

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  118. All other things aside, I can’t help but think that inflicting this kind of thing on someone requires a negativity and malice that eventually damages you more than anyone.

    I don’t mean roissy was necessarily wrong. He doesn’t have to be wrong in what he did for the mindset that allowed it to be unhealthy and damaging.

    I know, I know. roissy of the blog never feels remorse or uncertainty in these situations, but I’m talking about a reality that is slightly more nuanced that what is portrayed here.

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  119. — Don’t fool yourself that this won’t happen if you’re her alpha. It lowers the risk, but the longer she’s on your side the more she’ll feel that itch for strange in her loins.

    There is some truth in your comment, but it’s an incomplete picture. It’s a mistake to project male sexual desire onto most women. Male sexual desire, unchecked by female reticence, is a San Francisco bathouse in 1978. And obviously, the sight of ultra-promiscuous male-female copulation (the male fantasy) is not a common sight.

    The fact of female sexuality is that few, very few women whose husbands or boyfriends aren’t losers or wimps will stray. That is because women find fulfillment in a monogamous relationship with a worthy male partner. And most happily married women will satiate that “itch in their loins” by fantacising about a movie actor. Sluts exist, but they are outliers among females.

    None of this is to be taken as an endorsement of the “sugar n’ spice and everything nice” view of women as madonnas on a pedestal. That’s obviously a false view. What it is meant to endorse, is that you have your work cut out for you:

    (a) screen out sluts, gold-diggers, feminists, and psychoes for LTRs;
    (b) marry only a girl who loves you, not one who settles for you. To find out if she loves you, gauge her demonstrations of unsolicited affection, and her overall respect levels for you.
    (c) preferrably marry someone 8-12 years younger, in her early 20s, just over your attractiveness threshold but with the best personality possible
    (d) don’t get complacent or weak in an LTR; always remember what it is that attracted her to you in the first place — always sleep with one eye open, as her love, like yours, is conditional. Every good thing in this world is conditional.

    — If you want kids makes at least sure their yours. If all men start using DNA paternity tests, things might take an interesting turn again…

    If your kid doesn’t seem to have any of your traits, moles, quirks, etc, you’re suspicious, and doesn’t look like you, then by all means, get a test. If your state requires the mother’ sconsent, then I suppose yuou can send a hair strand to somewhere in China or Europe.

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  120. “We men are good at a lot of things, but women have a social intelligence when it comes to cheating and manipulating that most of us can’t even come close to matching”

    WHAT!?!?!? This coming from the mouths of a “player.” Lets face it, while what you say is true, that women are subtly manipulative and are good at hiding their true nature, **you** players are by nature experts at manipulation, and, if you have a girlfriend, at cheating. Male players are good at what they do. If Roissy didn’t have social intelligence, the boyfriend in that scenario might have suspected something untowards. The fact that he was able to get away with having his little fun towards this girl shows that he has a sort of cunning skill and sense as to what to say in such scenarios. The problem lies if he were to come across, in such a scenario, a male with a strong intuition. And these males do exist, however the players are right that the “betas” who fawn over women are likely to be devoid of such intuitive faculties.

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  121. Wow.

    A year ago, such a post would incite bad emotions in me. Now I am completely indifferent, indeed I have come to expect it. There is nothing a woman will not do if you push the right emotional buttons. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. Once you integrate this knowledge you come to expect it, and become indifferent to female behavior. One thing is the same as another. What lance said.

    Here’s a guy born of the purest midichlorines of the secret society. Important to watch – live proof of the society:

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  122. Not your best work Roissy.. not your best.

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  123. lance:
    men condemn sluttiness because it reminds men of something that they don’t have: the ability to get laid at will.

    this sounds like a theory straight out of the feministing playbook.

    this leads to insecurity about both their own ability to get laid, and the virtue of their partners.

    the evo bio explanation is more parsimonious. men are averse to committing resources to sluts because those types of loose women pose a higher risk that any children she bears will not be those of the provider male who committed to her.

    women condemn sluttiness because they see promiscuous women as a threat.

    this is true.

    a threat to their relationships, and perhaps more importantly, a threat to their ability to use sex as a reward for men.

    also, keep in mind that men don’t *condemn* women who are sluts. men simply avoid them for marriage and LTRs. it’s women who are the worst offenders of slut condemnation. they gotta keep their pussy economy scarce to ensure the highest possible sexual market value.

    once you’ve purged yourself of unnecessary jealousy and hate, slut ceases to be a pejorative. instead, it becomes a term of endearment.

    jealousy and hate can be useful. neither is a negative emotion per se, but a force of energy that can be harnessed for creative or destructive purposes.
    “slut” is only a term of endearment three seconds before you’ve banged the girl. afterwards, it becomes a term of doubt.

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  124. 119 PA – The fact of female sexuality is that few, very few women whose husbands or boyfriends aren’t losers or wimps will stray.

    What makes you believe that other than wishful thinking?

    Surveys say up to 50% of women are cheating, tendency increasing in recent years.
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE6D6143AF932A35755C0A961948260

    About 50% of people asked will tell you that they know somebody who’s getting actively cheated on (that’s only the stuff that comes out!):
    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/science/March-April-08/Is-the–Infidelity-Epidemic–Hard-Wired-in-Our-Genes-.html

    Women are now even surpassing men in extramarrital sex:
    http://books.google.com/books?id=y5HFtMkmFMYC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=marriage+infidelity+surveys+social+expectancy&source=web&ots=qGTkhmYQEe&sig=xUYmbz1X8SmmvT31I-s3_maX8MM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

    etc.

    Now keep in mind – those are women admitting to their affairs. The actual number is much higher. It is a well known fact among sex researchers that the data contains a social expectancy bias since the data doesn’t add up. Women seem to underreport incidents while men seem to make up sexual encounters:
    http://family.jrank.org/pages/884/Infidelity-Studying-Sexual-Infidelity.html

    I say – don’t ask women about their cheating. 10% to 30% of kids are not their dad’s, despite the low chances of pregnancy for an average affair. You do the math

    That is because women find fulfillment in a monogamous relationship with a worthy male partner.

    True that. But your alpha-ness declines with time. Just the fact that you married her is a contradiction to that status

    Sluts exist, but they are outliers among females.

    Classic Madonna/Whore syndrome.

    I don’t dispute the fact that some women have more sex partners than others, or have less inhibitions to follow their instinct to mate outside their partnership.
    But to assume that there are “good girls” out there who would never do that is self delusional. Women have no control over themselves when it comes to sex.

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  125. It’s a mistake to project male sexual desire onto most women.

    IIRC, aren’t Lesbians essentially pictured as de facto sexless creatures?

    To find out if she loves you, gauge her demonstrations of unsolicited affection, and her overall respect levels for you.

    I appreciate your comments, so this one is going to require more in terms of explaining…

    preferrably marry someone 8-12 years younger, in her early 20s, just over your attractiveness threshold but with the best personality possible

    Just out of curiosity, did you marry somebody with such a wide gulf between ages? I don’t see any big advantages to playing around with somebody who’s much younger, and if one believes in the life partner theory, the wide age gap that you’re proposing can end up crossing into another generation where there’s very little shared in terms of generational trends. OTOH, I know somebody who was born in 1972 (female) who is engaged to somebody born in 1961 (male), and their relationship seems to work very well, and they seem to have similar political leanings and taste in music.

    If your kid doesn’t seem to have any of your traits, moles, quirks, etc, you’re suspicious, and doesn’t look like you, then by all means, get a test.

    I don’t look like my mom or dad, but I happen to look like my grandfather and great-grandfather. I have a photo on my computer of my great-grandfather in his late 1800s ceremonial military dress with matching mustache and one could argue that he’s my twin. So, I’ll recommend to look at grandparents and other familial lineages as well.

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  126. At the end of the day, the players get played, and the game has only losers.

    The guy who thinks he’s so “alpha” that he’ll never be on the other end of the cheat is hopelessly naive. Hell, he’s the most likely victim of them all, because all that “game” doesn’t make her love him, it just makes her think he’s the best…until somebody better comes along.

    Real loyalty and love don’t flow to the gamers; because they’re playing the wrong game for that. The nature of their game selects the women who don’t have the virtues for loyalty and love, so the gamers don’t get them, and they never even know they exist.

    Hell, that boyfriend likely has his own “game” blog, where he’s bragging about the girlfriends he banged. This whole thing is a rotating gangbang of douchebag status chimps and the douchebag skank chimpettes who all fuck each other and think they’re better than each other.

    The funny part is that it really like one big bad marriage. It’s all one lame guy fucking one lame girl every so often and then they constantly bitch about each other. Oh, sure, the names and faces and appearances all vary, but it really is just the same status doucebag chimp and status douchebag chimpette, over and over again.

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  127. 120 – x Lets face it, while what you say is true, that women are subtly manipulative and are good at hiding their true nature, **you** players are by nature experts at manipulation, and, if you have a girlfriend, at cheating.

    Oh. So. Wrong.

    The difference lies in the fact that guys who get laid a lot do not need to hide that. It is an instant turn on for women, even if they tell you otherwise.
    Women do get jealous, but only if they fear that another woman will snatch the guy away from them. A one night stand is not a biggie. The more alpha the guy the more he is allowed to cheat since she is not seeing a potential provider to lose in him anyway.

    Women, on the other hand, fare best by pretending to be strictly monogamous. Guys fear the other guy’s sperm since even a one night stand could mean lifelong payment for another dude’s offspring. Most guys will fall for the “good girl” frame that even sluts will put on when facing a potential provider. It’s the very basis of the Madonna/Whore syndrome.

    Being in the secret society you will hear this shit from women. They will tell you that their boyfriend will never understand her doings “because he is a guy”.

    A quick fuck means nothing to a woman (think chic noir’s statement about giving pussy meaning nothing compared to a blow job). Women only pretend to do so when they think they are dealing with a brainwashed potential provider beta with Madonna/Whore syndrome.

    Inside the secret society, guys are “in the know”. If you signal that sex is meaningless and cheating nothing to frown upon, you will hear the sweetest girls talk like lifelong players and porn pros – and then go home (with your cum rubbed all over their chest) to play wholesome wife for the rest of the world.

    Most men never get there. They die ignorant of what is truly going on inside a woman’s soul.

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  128. — Surveys say up to 50% of women are cheating,

    That’s because 50% of men don’t follow my guidance A-D in comment 119.

    — What makes you believe that other than wishful thinking? [that very few women whose husbands or boyfriends aren’t losers or wimps will stray]

    Experience, my friend, experience.

    — Classic Madonna/Whore syndrome.

    No. We live in a probabilistic world, not a binary one. Every woman has some Madonna, and some Whore in her, in different proportions. Thus, for LTRs, you want to be with a girl whose Madonna is stronger than her Whore.

    Then, you can channel her Whore just for yourself, and reward her Madonna with Scooby Snacks.

    — But your alpha-ness declines with time.

    She ages right along with you, doesn’t she?

    You guys need to get out of your paranoid outlook. To put things in perspective — why don’t I, a married man with a healthy libido, cheat with other women?

    For argument’s sake, let’s say that courting women is too much of a hassle for me now. Fine. But what about a hot girl I know who has a cruch on me? Or, why don’t I visit professionals? My two Omega bachelor friends can refer me to some real nice venues. I have the discretionary cash. So what don’t I stray, even though I am naturally programmed to seek more tail?

    Same with women. Except, that unlike with men, they have the counterveiling impulse toward nesting/fidelity and most will feel dirty after having casual sex.

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  129. D: I think Patrick H @27 furiously masturbated while writing that post about Roissy. He is sooo in love. How cute. Only a closeted jealous gay man would write such a bitchy post about another guy.

    I think we have a candidate for the secret identity of Der Fuehrer…although he’s funnier. Still, he was the last guy to obsess about me wacking off.

    Now there are two. I’m getting a little creeped out here, guys…so ix-nay on the at-pay asturbating-may. ‘Kay?

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  130. Michael 30: PatrickH might seem a little too bitter, that’s true..

    Having self-described alphas running shrieking from the challenging of providing even a single direct answer to difficult questions…it wears on a man, Michael, it wears.

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  131. For example, I couldn’t even write a grammatical sentence there.

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  132. “He who builds his hopes
    On a woman’s heart
    Ploughs the sea
    And sows on sand
    And hopes to snare
    The wild wind in a net.”

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  133. — I appreciate your comments, so this one is going to require more in terms of explaining…

    No problem, but I’m not sure what isn’t clear in the comment you refer to.

    — Just out of curiosity, did you marry somebody with such a wide gulf between ages? I don’t see any big advantages to playing around with somebody who’s much younger

    I was approaching my mid-30s when I married, she was in her early 20 at the time. By coincidence, my sister is 10 years younger than her husband, and my best friend is 8 years older than his wife.

    Just anecdotally, it seems to work out better than the more similar-age couples I know. That 10 or so age difference somehow seems to be perfect for a couple to click.

    For what it’s worth, at least in this culture, guys are too immature when very young, and don’t really hit their stride until 28-32 or so. And you probably don’t want to marry a girl under 22 or so, since she’s also likely to be immature at that age, and doesn’t really know what she wants yet.

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  134. 128 – PA — What makes you believe that other than wishful thinking? [that very few women whose husbands or boyfriends aren’t losers or wimps will stray]

    Experience, my friend, experience.

    Funny that so many married guys think that their wifes would never cheat.

    They say that straight into your face while you are one of the few who knows they’re wrong.

    And I am talking about gangbang with some biker dudes while hubbie’s out of town to bring home some bacon for the family kind of wrong.

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  135. Roissy, projecting himself: looks like i hit a nerve.

    Roissy, no one made you write that description of yourself as an “alpha” who demonstrates his “alpha-hood” by thinking alpha thoughts at guys. No one made you out yourself as a nasty little sneak. No one made you provide this triumphalist little write-up of your non-conversation with schmuck of the week as if it was your greatest victory.

    No one made you do that. So, taking a page from the Master of This Domain…

    i’ll ask you my leetle question once more…

    but remember…

    i don’t want you to grovel, [roissy], i want you to answer the question.

    Why do you think sexual attractiveness is the ONLY judgment of a man’s worth? (Cheat: two questions. Question two follows immediately. Keep reading!) And why do you think the only judgments of worth that matter are those of sexually attractive women?

    P.S. I’ll get greedy and throw in a third. This last one is a tad philosophical, so I’m not expecting much in the way of a response. Why do you think you can deduce anything at all about how people should live from any natural fact about the world, including those of our impulses? How do you get an “ought” from an “is”?

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  136. I’d be cautious about accepting the idea that “up to 50% of married women have had affairs.” The NYT article that TD cites acknowledges that researchers have little beyond random magazine surveys to go by. Even those vary widely, and I mean widely, in the numbers they recite. Any time surveys produce numbers varying by as much as 20%, the chances are that the surveys are not terribly reliable.

    I do remember one that I’ve not been able to find on line, done in the late 1990s, with much lower numbers for both men and women than the ones cited in the NYT article. Can’t remember who did it – which is probably why I can’t find it anywhere – but as I remember it was supposed to be more scientifically reliable than the magazine studies because the men and women surveyed were much less self-selected.

    It should be remembered that anyone who agrees to fill out a sex survey or answer intimate questions from a stranger is to some degree self-selected for exhibitionism and a lesser degree of self-restraint than those to whom such questions are anathema. Another point: the article seems to have a bias towards over-reporting women’s infidelity because it’s unfeminist to suggest that women have lesser sexual appetites than men, or a lesser propensity to stray. The opening lines of the article make this bias clear.

    Clio

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  137. 134 TD – pure paranoia. What exactly is your experience with women?

    Please notice that I acknowledged women’s inclination toward indiscretion, and noted that ensuring their fidelity takes the right approach, and I even used the expression “sleeping with one eye open.”

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  138. Keith, with wisdom again: …who all fuck each other and think they’re better than each other…

    This, I think, is what galled me about Roissy’s post. What a chump he is! Trying to prove he’s worthwhile by “proving” he’s better than some other schmuck. Always with the “better than”. As I said, parasite, dependent, other-directed not self-directed, clingy, derivative, second-rate, second-class, just plain shabby, low, small, petty, base..and weak. No Inner Game at all. It’s all how he stacks up against others. How high he is on the Hill of Downward Flowing Shit that is the universe he lives in. That is the question. The ONLY question. (Answer: not very.)

    Proving manhood by contributing something, creating something, doing something, maybe (God!) actually showing some consideration for another human being…trying to maybe even possibly consider HELPING people…that just doesn’t seem to occur to our Leader of Lech, does it? It comes down to: on whom can I dump my shit today?

    Mind you, I do think R is a pretend nihilist. I suspect he’s a much nicer, meeker, milder soul in real life than he writes himself up as being here.

    Ironist.

    What’s he going to do when he runs out of people farther down than he is?

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  139. 137 – PA Please notice that I … used the expression “sleeping with one eye open.”
    Maybe I am not the only one with paranoia.

    What exactly is your experience with women?
    I’ve been Canio and I’ve been Tonio.

    ensuring their fidelity takes the right approach
    I think we both agree you can’t ensure it.

    Your A-D is risk minimization. Not more not less.

    I basically agree with your strategy. It’s the bare minimum of what a man needs to do to avoid getting cuckolded.

    It all boils down to a list of things to AVOID:
    1.) Lack of intimacy/emotion
    2.) Bad/boring sex.
    3.) Becoming her bitch.
    4.) Bad income/career outlook
    5.) Excluding her in your dreams and plans

    I handle these things pretty well. But given my experience with (even my type of sweet, smart and wholesome) women, my kids will get DNA tested no matter what

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  140. @ Keith 126

    Amen.

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  141. – Maybe I am not the only one with paranoia.

    You just got done talking about how 50% of women women cheat.

    – I’ve been Canio and I’ve been Tonio.

    I have no idea what that means.

    – I think we both agree you can’t ensure it. Your A-D is risk minimization. Not more not less.

    Which is why I said that life is probabilistic, not binary, The idea is to improve your odds.

    Driving with your eyes open is risk-minimalization with regards to avoiding a crippling accident. Not more, not less.

    – my kids will get DNA tested no matter what

    By all means, if you have doubts.

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  142. No problem, but I’m not sure what isn’t clear in the comment you refer to.

    I actually want you to explain “demonstrations of unsolicited affection” and “respect levels”. In other words, how do you go about determining if she loves you?

    Every woman has some Madonna, and some Whore in her, in different proportions.

    As I’ve noted, my problem is that I need the “physical” whore to come out and show itself, hence my bizarre fetish for the nails, heels, makeup, and slutty clothes.

    A girl who dresses like a whore, fucks like a whore, but hugs and cuddles like Madonna would be perfect. 🙂

    To put things in perspective — why don’t I, a married man with a healthy libido, cheat with other women?

    One could theoretically presume that you have a beta sex drive with wife who doesn’t demand much in terms of sex. Maybe you would feel moral guilt for cheating on her? Or there’s that chance possibility that your wife thinks you’re the best?

    I was approaching my mid-30s when I married, she was in her early 20 at the time.

    Is she a fellow Eastern European? My Russian friend tends to date younger women, and he seems to prefer Eastern European women over American women, and as a Jew, he eschews the native born Jews as well…

    Anyway, in my family, my mom is older than my dad by two years and their marriage seems to work, but my aunt is eight years younger than her husband, and their marriage is a wreck. I’m not saying that it magically disproves your assertion, but I’m leery of magically saying that there’s a perfect age range for any marriage.

    Admittedly, I’m surprised that you married such a young girl. I’m amazed that the age differences didn’t cause cultural and generational issues in terms of creating compatibility. With the non-date g/f, she’s only two years older than me, but she’s making references to stuff in the 1980s that I don’t remember. I’d prefer somebody who’s more accomplished with a “career” that meets social acceptance along with some life experiences to talk about, but I reek of feminist gin, and I feel the need to meet social acceptance with a “proper” wife.

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  143. TD: I’ve been Canio and I’ve been Tonio.

    PA: I have no idea what that means.

    It’s a reference to Caravello’s opera Pagliacci.

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  144. Ruggero Leoncavallo, not Caravello.

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  145. It’s a reference to Caravello’s opera Pagliacci.

    And what I meant is I was: Canio (cuckold), Tonio (the guy who knows about her infidelity).

    And I admit it: I’ve been Silvio (the guy she cheated with), too.

    Guess which role felt the best?

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  146. — how do you go about determining if she loves you?

    In short, if she acts like a happy little girl around you. No matter how old she is.

    You want to look for the little things, like her cuddling up to you. A big one – she’ll always take your hand first when you’re walking. A lot of little things like that.

    — A girl who dresses like a whore, fucks like a whore, but hugs and cuddles like Madonna would be perfect.

    They exist. Every woman has some whore, and some madonna in her. My points (A) thru (D) in comment 119 help you find and cultivate such a woman. Alternately, Roissy’s “16 Commandments of Poon” is very useful too, minus the adultery part.

    — Is she a fellow Eastern European?

    Yes. However, I’ve been in the US since my mid-teens, and and haven’t had any re-exposure to my native country until I visited for the first time several years after Communism ended. So culturally, I speak my native language as well as English without a foreign accent (or with a hint of an accent in each language, depending). So I consider myself pretty much both American, and EE culturally.

    My sister is for all intents and purposes 100% American, and her husband is US-born white guy. My friend and his wife are US-born WASP too.

    So the age difference is, at least in my observation, not really a cultural thing.

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  147. Guess which role felt the best?

    Odysseus’?

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  148. PA, that was as pointed and on target as one of Odysseus’ arrows.

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  149. In short, if she acts like a happy little girl around you. No matter how old she is.

    Interesting. I think I’ll always remember that…

    They exist.

    The problem isn’t the mental notions of whore and madonna, but the fact I need a physical whore to go along with the mental image. A whore who looks like a madonna will have trouble arousing me…

    So the age difference is, at least in my observation, not really a cultural thing.

    Still, though, doesn’t the age different make forming common bonds harder with a lack of generational references or am I just over thinking this issue?

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  150. DA, would you ever satisfy your blond, pornstarish whore fixation by actually patronizing a whore?

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  151. If your state requires the mother’ sconsent, then I suppose yuou can send a hair strand to somewhere in China or Europe.

    Are there actually states that don’t allow a guy to get a paternity test without the mother’s consent?

    If true, that’s pretty darn scary.

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  152. DA, would you ever satisfy your blond, pornstarish whore fixation by actually patronizing a whore?

    Even if it was legal and regulated (which presumes proper STD testing), I’d still feel guilty about having sex with a woman who really doesn’t find me attractive and doesn’t really want to have sex with me. Mind you, this doesn’t prohibit me from being for legalization of prostitution.

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  153. Td saidAbout 50% of people asked will tell you that they know somebody who’s getting actively cheated on (that’s only the stuff that comes out!)

    This^^^ is how people tell their dirt without owning up to it. Mind you, those random surveys are getting higher numbers because as a group fewer people feel guilty about cheating. In some circles, cheating is seen as something that happens because it’s a part of human nature
    Now keep in mind – those are women admitting to their affairs. The actual number is much higher. It is a well known fact among sex researchers that the data contains a social expectancy bias since the data doesn’t add up. Women seem to underreport incidents while men seem to make up sexual encounters:

    Good to know I’m not the only one questioning random studies.

    I think one of the reasons the numbers so make sense the use of “local girls”. Think of those girls who like Marisol( from the Maury show) sleep with 30+ guys in 21 days. I don’t think the average man sleeps with that many women. Only the best looking, wealthy, and most PUA of them all can pull that off*. A large number of guys can share one woman thereby boosting their number and send her number.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteyzO65DQ4
    This woman and her husband are swi*gers^^^. Why they didn’t protect themselves beats me. The story goes that there was a line of men standing to get their turn as some swinG party.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_96hNQzCs

    Keep an eye on your teenage daughters!

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  154. Keep an eye on your teenage daughters!

    She can do whatever she wants. And I will keep an eye on her girlfriends.

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  155. DA, would you ever satisfy your blond, pornstarish whore fixation by actually patronizing a whore?

    Even if it was legal and regulated (which presumes proper STD testing), I’d still feel guilty about having sex with a woman who really doesn’t find me attractive and doesn’t really want to have sex with me. Mind you, this doesn’t prohibit me from being for legalization of prostitution.

    DA, you should try Amsterdam. The window girls knock on the window when an attractive man passes. Some even open their doors to yell at cuties walking past. They don’t tell you that part in Let’s Go. If they don’t find you attractive, some of them will turn you away without opening the door. Then again, we are moving towards a recession so they may no refuse “customers”. The funny thing is, all of them seemed to charge the same price 50 Euros for(30min?) MOM>supermodel and everything in between.

    DA, if I’m not mistaken, the window women have a certificate on hand that gives you the rundown on their status.

    *light bulb goes off*

    I think T said some of the window women knocked to get this attention. That means T must be nice looking??? I wonder what he looks like??? I seem to recall him saying something like being light-skinned like Obama???

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  156. TD, you don’t want your daughter to be like the one in that video.

    will keep an eye on her girlfriends

    Please tell me you are not the second coming of 😯 gannon 😯

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  157. zorgon
    JaJaJa:

    I wonder how many guys on this board have told the bf they slept with his girlfriend? I think none. No one would want to humiliate the guy in public because they would not want it done to them.

    How about: “because I don’t have a death wish”?

    cosign Zorgon. I’ll never forget the scenes from Lost(Asian couple) & Unfaithful when the husband confronts the other man. The scene from Lost was too brutal. I’ve never seen someone get their ass handed to them on TV show.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBurK9bIEQY
    Richard Gere is brutal here^^^. Roissy watch and learn.

    If there was a way to safely, anonymously let him know, I’d probably use it

    Maybe the guy would prefer not to know. Same thing with women sometimes*. There is a way of finding out if your friend would like to “know”. Just make up a story about a cousin of yours and at the end of the story say to your friend,” man, would you want to know if it was you”. You can also add, “even if you really really really” loved the girl.

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  158. on October 24, 2008 at 10:05 pm Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    Shawn
    “Roissy, you are a low life.”

    No. Roissy in my opinion is AMORAL, not to be confused with IMMORAL. And to be a master seducer, you have to be AMORAL..and of an epicurean type of mindset. Pleasure is virtue and it’s all that matters.

    And yes, men steeped in the game get Jaded. They learn many women are as opportunistic as men. they just lie to themselves more often , because their feelings about themselves are their morality.

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  159. Whiskey saidI just figure discretion is always the better part of valor and humiliation of someone is the sign of weakness. If you are truly Alpha, you never need to humiliate someone. People will know your strength *already*.

    In fact, I’ll go further. If a man knows a woman is with a boyfriend or husband (particularly) he should decline her favors. Too many other options, particularly for an Alpha. Strength is being able to say no, particularly to inappropriate women, so we can all get along without killing each other and avoiding inflicting pain if we can. I figure that’s Alpha

    I agree & 200% with the bold portion.

    Grace saidIsn’t it usually the very wealthy and very poor who are more relaxed/realistic about sexual standards? One can afford to, and the other is too poor to ignore it.
    Epic comment.
    Values generally come from the middle class!

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  160. 119 PA

    If your state requires the mother’ sconsent, then I suppose yuou can send a hair strand to somewhere in China or Europe.

    151 zorgon

    Are there actually states that don’t allow a guy to get a paternity test without the mother’s consent?

    If true, that’s pretty darn scary.

    I’m pretty darn sure there aren’t any. PA, can you provide a reference to the contrary?

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  161. PA saidIf your kid doesn’t seem to have any of your traits, moles, quirks, etc, you’re suspicious, and doesn’t look like you, then by all means, get a test

    Lokking alike isn’t enough. if she sleep with a man who looks like you or one of your close relatives, then what? I think those tests should be mandatory.

    X saidIf Roissy didn’t have social intelligence, the boyfriend in that scenario might have suspected something untowards.

    As a rule unproven by science*, men lack intuition as least in the way that it relates to women. That’s why I mentioned I could never pull this trick on another woman. Another woman would sense it the moment she saw the look of shock on her boyfriend’s face, if not the zapping sexual energy between her boyfriend and I.

    <a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOWMAR0H9Gs

    not all women cheat*. 50 year old with a 25 year old wife.

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  162. I liked chic’s links. Damn there is funny shit on that show

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  163. TD saidWomen have no control over themselves when it comes to sex

    no true
    A quick fuck means nothing to a woman (think chic noir’s statement about giving pussy meaning nothing compared to a blow job)

    Oh it means something but” not as much”.

    and then go home (with your cum rubbed all over their chest) to play wholesome wife for the rest of the world.

    Until I saw women on cheaters and the Real World doing this, I had no idea that some women could be so disgusting.

    I think you hate women. While I don’t deny that some women are very disgusting, most are not so bad.
    From what I know, cheating women often fall into three categories:
    1. they think the guy is cheating.
    2. Some not so attractive women do it for their self esteem.
    3. women who do it because they had an ex who was/is so phenomenal in bd that they can’t get over him s*Xually.- I had this& boy do I miss him.
    4. Some women like variety. I had a friend tell me this. I keep her far away from any boyfriend of mine. This type of woman can become faithful thought.
    5. Some women really are like GM. -very very few in number.

    FYI, it’s the third type who are most dangerous to your sanity. In essence, she is a good woman hooked on even better sausage.

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  164. 159 Chic:

    Values generally come from the middle class!

    Correction: Pretty Lies generally come from the middle class.

    That way, they can feel morally superior to the upper and lower classes who get to act freely without consequence.

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  165. on October 24, 2008 at 10:45 pm Ba1anced-A Beta with Alpha Tendencies

    “This whole thing is a rotating gangbang of douchebag status chimps and the douchebag skank chimpettes who all fuck each other and think they’re better than each other. ”

    Can anyone else hear the Bloodhound Gang in the background?

    “YOU AN’ ME BABY AIN”T NUTTIN” BUT MAMMALS SO LETS DO IT LIKE THEY DO ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL…………….”

    Hedonistic Epicureanism at it’s finest! 😉

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  166. tupac saidCorrection: Pretty Lies generally come from the middle class.

    That way, they can feel morally superior to the upper and lower classes who get to act freely without consequence.

    Agreed but don’t tell HS that the upper class are anything less than the greatest.
    😆

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  167. DoJ
    *swoons*
    You would never have to worry about any of this type of stuff with me. I’ll even take a lie detector test to prove it my almost innocence.

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  168. 164 Chic:

    FYI, it’s the third type who are most dangerous to your sanity.

    Since virtually every woman has had a taste, however small, of Alpha Goodness at one time or another, this is pretty much the only category.

    The rest are usually the fatties and headcases.

    So you seem to be confirming that men have cause to be concerned about their women’s faithfulness.

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  169. 132 Czar:

    “He who builds his hopes
    On a woman’s heart
    Ploughs the sea
    And sows on sand
    And hopes to snare
    The wild wind in a net.”

    Czar, you always manage to bring a tear to my eye — in those moments when you’re not turning my soul ice cold.

    Tell me, how do you manage to do it?

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  170. Czar @132

    Nice quote, from whom is it?

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  171. 167 Chic:

    Agreed but don’t tell HS that the upper class are anything less than the greatest.

    Question: what is more important to you: achieving your goals or being right?

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  172. tupacchopra
    164 Chic:

    FYI, it’s the third type who are most dangerous to your sanity.

    Since virtually every woman has had a taste, however small, of Alpha Goodness at one time or another, this is pretty much the only category

    Some women not all. Not all men who are “talented” are what you classify as alpha. Some of them are the sensitive beta types. I’ve know women said they were going to “put it on” their new boyfriend/whatever and instead it was the other way around. The look of sheer shock and utter confusion as they are telling the story afterwards is priceless

    Question: what is more important to you: achieving your goals or being right?

    depends on the situation Y?

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  173. Chic @ 153

    The girls in these videos are disgusting. I would not have sex with any of them if you paid me. Really, I could be wrong but there are very few good looking women who are all that promiscuous. The chicks in these videos are just gross. A lot of really promiscuous women are fairly unattractive and are having sex with loser guys who can’t get a good looking woman to begin with, so it sort of its own vicious little cycle of low self-esteem and identity bolstering on both sides.

    I am picky and like attractive, intelligent and emotionally warm and stable women. I would rather go without sex than have it with fat, ugly messed up chicks. That is just me though.

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  174. Racer XThe girls in these videos are disgusting. I would not have sex with any of them if you paid me.

    Thank God. The fact that so many men would/will is why I have never had “it” unprotected. I am terrified of disease.

    Really, I could be wrong but there are very few good looking women who are all that promiscuous

    I agree, it dilutes their worth in the eyes of month. I only saw one 9.5/10 and a handful of 8’s in the Amsterdam windows. I saw very shocked.

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  175. “Not all men who are “talented” are what you classify as alpha.”

    Yeah, caring about her pleasure and having the patience not to nut everywhere and listening to her reactions and moving accordingly and waiting until she’s reached a crescendo of pleasure before you start pounding…that’s SOOOO provider Beta.

    I mean, to be a real alpha, you gotta wrap up in 30 seconds because you gotta get the next chick, because it’s all about racking up those numbers, dude!

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  176. I actually laughed at Keith’s comment at 176 too, but I am disappointed he didn’t find a way to work in “status alpha chimp” into it somewhere.

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  177. @114, Grace there are sociological studies of the sexual lives of the rich out there. As they are humans, it is pretty much like ANY sexual networks in ANY class. They cheat on each other, they hookup, their social networks are rather small and inclusive etc. But the idea of a global “secret society” is crap.

    Comment number 126 by Keith is spot on. It is a rotating network of manipulative beta females and beta males. Picking up heaps of women isn’t alpha. It is one of many attributes that has come to be associated with being high up on any pecking order. Look at any studies associated with political economy. True alpha males actually have to give a damn about those below them and around them, as betas often plot the downfalls of alphas that go too far (see studies of the evolution of machiavellian intelligence, evolutionary psychologists believed it came about from betas plotting against alphas. Alternatively look at the history of any coup, revolution, peasant revolt in history).

    What Roissy has created is a world of alphaness where he gets to act being alpha with some of the perks, but without the responsibility and leadership that true alphas have. Can you imagine Roissy being a CEO and acting the way he is? Can you imagine Roissy leading a platoon attack against a dug-in enemy? No, I doubt it. The guy has found himself an easily exploitable niche: the manipulation of his fellow man.

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  178. @158 – “No. Roissy in my opinion is AMORAL, not to be confused with IMMORAL.”

    Your opinion is wrong. An amoral person, upon seeing the girl with the boyfriend, would think nothing of it. He had sex with her, she has a boyfriend, whatever, who cares.

    Roissy’s act in the post is petty, insecure, slightly obsessive, and immoral. Roissy has a need to obsess over his status relative to this guy, based on the fact that Roissy had sex with a woman the guy also has sex with. Roissy wants to believe he is humiliating someone else and asserting dominance, while being too much of a pussy to actually try and do it.

    To put a different frame on it: After trying Roissy, the woman was thrilled to go back to fucking the other guy.

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  179. 180 Keith: Petty, probably. Immoral? I’m not quite seeing it.

    As I’ve said in other posts, I have a problem with a society where everything turns into a status competition, but I can’t blame individuals for engaging in that competition once society is set up that way.

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  180. “To put a different frame on it: After trying Roissy, the woman was thrilled to go back to fucking the other guy.”

    No, in all probability she went back to fucking other random guys she met in bars and where ever else.

    Good attempt at coming up with a rationalization, though.

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  181. @182

    All interpretations of any past events are rationalizations, or “frames.” Roissy chose a frame that flattered him. I chose a frame that put Roissy in his place.

    You can’t achieve understanding solely by looking through a rearview mirror at past events. You have to develop some hypothesis based on a “why” explanation, and subject it to a test that could actually show you to be wrong. The test can use past events, but you can’t know the outcome of those past events before you design the test.

    Your “frame” is actually not bad that way. It’s a prediction of her behavior.

    @181 – “Petty, probably. Immoral? I’m not quite seeing it.”

    It’s “omega” stalker behavior.

    This post reminds me of one of the Robert Browning poems like “My Last Duchess” where the main interlocutor talks like he’s trying to impress his audience, but just reveals what a psycho douchebag loser he is.

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  182. on October 27, 2008 at 4:46 am Comment_What_Goals_Exactly

    170 tupacchopra wrote:
    *****
    Question: what is more important to you: achieving your goals or being right?
    *****
    ‘To be right’ in American Culture has so many meanings as to be essentially meaningless. But that makes it good for smuggling nonsense into peoples heads!

    ‘To be right’ could mean ‘to be factually correct’
    ‘To be right’ could mean ‘to hold the most popular opinion’
    ‘To be right’ could mean ‘to make others agree with you’
    ‘To be right’ could mean ‘to feel ‘happy’ about one’s opinion’
    ‘To be right’ means to quite a few people “the people I’m *bleeping* can’t retaliate for what I’m doing

    If by ‘being right’ you mean ‘making others agree with you’ or ‘feeling good about yourself’ or holding ‘the popular opinion’, then yes, that is a major problem with most people today.

    But most people today don’t care at all wether their ‘beliefs’ have any basis in reality or are just a particularly vivid waking dream.

    The other way of interpreting what you said is ‘going along to get along’ and ‘pick your battles’. In my experience, 90% of people who ‘pick their battles’ never fight a battle when there is any chance of loss.

    Really, the only way to answer ‘pick your battles’ guy is, if he/she is an older person, is are they proud of the direction the country has taken under their brillant philosophy?

    At which point they deny any responsibility for anything, have no answers for anything, and still won’t shut up.

    The problem with what I quoted is people saying it generally mean BOTH the above interpretations……. which makes it easy to defend, just jump from one interpretation to the other. The question is, do they know they meant both, or was the dual meaning smuggled in to their head to? I kinda think it was smuggled.

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  183. @179, I was being sarcastic regarding the “Secret Society”. In that it is pretty much well known that wealthy/powerful/charismatic men have always had their pick of beautiful women. That’s not news.

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  184. why are some of you so hung up on the irrelevant details of the story such as who the Redskins were playing that day, how the good the teams were, etc…all that is just filler which Roissy could have just as easily written as “blah blah blah” or “[small talk]”. irrelevant details are…irrelevant. not exactly reason to discount the story or miss its point…

    …which at first I thought was how he was going to humiliate this woman by letting her see Roissy chatting with her BF, forever reinforcing the shame she ought to feel for her sluttacular cheat.

    but when I reread the story, I began to wonder. where was the humiliation directed? Roissy buzzed off shortly after the woman returned, and she didn’t hear any of their conversation about fidelity, which is what really would have driven the stake through her heart. not only that, but Roissy thought a bunch of “in your face, haha you fool!” quasi-alpha thoughts that he didn’t actually say to the dude. not entirely beta, but…

    anyway, I wonder if it ever crossed Roissy’s mind that this exact same scenario has probably happened to him before, with Roissy himself being the herb boyfriend and some other seemingly friendly dude laughing on the inside. anyone who’s been steadily dating for more than a few years and thinks he’s never been the fool almost certainly is one.

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  185. I just realized something. Regarding the picture, since the whale is on its back holding its breath while having its member stroked, isn’t this a picture of autoerotic whale asphyxiation? 😉 I just had to share that.

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  186. @186 “anyway, I wonder if it ever crossed Roissy’s mind that this exact same scenario has probably happened to him before, with Roissy himself being the herb boyfriend and some other seemingly friendly dude laughing on the inside.”

    Of course it has. That’s why he’s so anti-marriage.

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  187. If a girl introduced herself, unsolicited, in a bar, to the girlfriend of her former one-night stand, the guy/one-night-stand would freak because that kind of behavior is crazy and desperate and childish.

    I guarantee you that woman was thinking, “Sheesh, you try to have a one-night stand with someone who’s completely disposable and he thinks he’s some sort of hot-shot. What the hell is he trying to prove?”

    If she wanted to keep hitting that, she would have. If you’ve been dismissed, stay the hell away unless she talks to you.

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  188. “I guarantee you that woman was thinking, “Sheesh, you try to have a one-night stand with someone who’s completely disposable and he thinks he’s some sort of hot-shot. What the hell is he trying to prove?””

    Who the hell cares what she thinks?

    She has proven to be worthy of no consideration when she banged some other dude while she was dating another.

    She broke the bond of monogamy, her feelings thus do not matter.

    Damn…

    “you’ve been dismissed”

    Good so.

    That kind of slut is only good for sports fucking.

    One time only is even better.

    Multiple fucks just elevate her self-valueing higher than it already is.

    Actually,

    I do not side with the dudes who go “do not judge”…
    Whatever roissy does at this point, he will never be lower than her.

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  189. If the beer was THAT good, it was Belgian…

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  190. […] shouldn’t. Women certainly […]

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  191. Roissy , you haveno clue what Alpha or morals are. You are just a little pleb. You remind me of a friend of mine that pumps iron now and takes steroids and hangs out with slut like, classless girls and talks about his conquests.

    A pussy is a pussy boy get it in your head, thay all look,feel and smell the same. Trying sitting holding your won with someone of class and intellect and speak to us about that. Any pleb can do what you did and grunt about it.

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  192. […] sexually repressed. These types aren’t too common in DC, but they do exist. I give sluts a hard time, but her twisted sister, the Frigid Ice Queen, is just as distressing. At the first […]

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  193. “roissy the wordsmithy,

    PatrickH made an essential point about your misappropriating the term “alpha”, rather than the well-recognized term “player”. You haven’t responded; instead making ad hominems and name-calling. You could re-establish credibility by simply using the player term.”

    Happens all the time in debate. If someone calmly and logically calls you out, make a blanket ad hominemish assumption that it’s HIS issue instead.

    Such a completely immature, insecure, and illogical reaction…but people do it so often that it’s practically accepted as a reasonable part of debate.

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