Then And Now

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  1. uh, that’s kind of misleading. if the second shot had been, for example, a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if the first had been an effeminate celebrity from the 40s or 50s such as jerry lewis or liberace, you’d have seen continuity.

    society is big enough to contain all types, and comparing apples to oranges like this obfuscates more than it illustrates. not that you’re wrong about the decline of the west, but there was more froth then, and more sinew now, than that narrative usually accommodates.

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  2. A better comaprison would have been what is said by our political/military leaders vs, then and now…

    Adm. Halsey: When this war is over Japanese will be a language only spoken in hell (or something like that)

    Today all you hear is how Islam is a religion of peace.

    But Goodbye America indeed….Let me count the ways…

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  3. The proportion of American men that have served in the American military has fallen rather drastically, I would think, so the picture is an almost apt description.

    Except the “average man” of today doesn’t know game, especially not to Mystery’s level 😛

    Toss in a few too many bankers, consultants, and marketers into the “now” category, throw in two bankrupted auto companies, and, hey, you got yourself a regular dystopia!

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  4. society is big enough to contain all types, and comparing apples to oranges like this obfuscates more than it illustrates

    Point taken, but: here is the apples-to-apples comparison: during the 40s the guy in the upper photo was considered and alpha. Today, his type is marginalized on the dating/marriage market in favor of peacocked fajjots.

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  5. unfortunately, the greatest PUA I have ever known, a guy able to score playmates once in a year, was a local clone of Mystery.

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  6. Roissy is referencing what the idealized man was then and now.

    Even if he had gone with a celebrity, he would have chosen Frank Sinatra or Sean Connery or Cary Grant, none of whom “peacocked.’ All embodied the reserved, cool, man-in-charge. Sinatra would shut up loud mouths with a fist or gun; Connery, IIRC, had moments in Bond movies where loud-mouthed braggarts were embarassed; and Cary Grant was the cool, sophiticated man.

    Roissy shows how the world has changed, and what women idealize has far delineated from the past.

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  7. @PA – on the pickup/club scene maybe, but on the marriage/relationship market? i bet the overwhelming majority of females today would rather settle down with the strong and silent alpha type. combining alpha dominance with beta stability/providerdom is their ideal, their holy grail, and a guy with that two-fer of traits is in very tall clover indeed. DFH, what say you to this …?

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  8. What a little faggot in that 2nd pic. What are those, goggles made out of handcuffs? Who has eyes on top their head?

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  9. There’s something about Mystery that just…really bothers me. Like he really comes off as more of a creep than anything else…the stuff that Roissy writes on here just seems more realistic and natural? I get that there is probably a lot of overlap and the fact that my exposure to Mystery has been visual, not literary, probably has a lot to do with that…but I dont know…he just is too strange. That’s just my opinion though. I think I would prefer the “reserved, cool, man-in-charge” type that lurker mentions above as opposed to over the top types like Mystery. Maybe one day society will revert back to that.

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  10. holy fuck this is brilliant.

    the resemblance – astonishing.

    the comparison – revealing.

    I’ve been recollecting my studies of WW II and the social implications that generation had.

    A common topic I bring up with pals – or even semi-smart bimbos: a generation that viewed sappy stuff like Red Skelton and sang about “Mares eat oats…”

    was so tough as to bomb and kill deserving enemies into grisly submission…

    but now, a generation that plays violent video games, listens to 50 Cent and watches endless torture movies like Hostel gets upset at Gitmo and cries at Breaking Benjamin lyrics

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  11. Terminator: The Rise of the Manginas.

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  12. I met Mystery. He’s very very tall. I am 6’3″ and I had to look up, as M was a head above me. Sure he was a wearing some platform boots, but physically he was imposing. What I liked about him most was 2 things: (1) he was very much in control, calm, and his eyes were piercing looking straight at people. (2) his voice was deep and very clear. I actually asked him how to get that voice. He told me to try what he did: one day he started talking deeper, and after a while that became him.

    Very nice guy. However if I were to emulate anybody, I’d try to be Cary Grant. I couldn’t care less if peacocking works, I would rather be sophisticated than look like a douchebag.

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  13. @lurker – there are similar celebrity types today – maybe not cary grant, who is an ideal type from a lost age, but look at the brad pitts, colin farrells, russell crowe, etc. not too different from the Chairman of the Board of old.

    interesting because hollywood idols reflect what the culture wants – what women want to see up on the screen, and in their dreams and fantasies. then: smooth and suave (grant), smooth/suave and masculine (gary cooper) rough and masculine (clark gable, john wayne), masculine and introspective (brando), masculine and rebellious (james dean) macho pretty boy (paul newman, robert redford). now: unpredictable/dangerous and masculine (crowe, farrell), same type who was tamed into being a provider (pitt).

    see the pattern? the continuity is overwhelmingly clear. women dig masculine men. stop the presses!

    incidentally, aside from the vietnam era and those films, and their echoes in the crappy iraq war films of a year or so ago, military men have over the decades usually been presented as role models, and their traits as virtues.

    mystery is an outlier, a unique kind of freak in the freak-show circus of reality TV. (no dis to him – we all know who he is and can respect what he achieved). the mainstream taste remains remarkably consistent.

    don’t get me started on the women of the golden age of hollywood .. actually we probably need Kassy for that.

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  14. Nah, it’s a Roissy hedonism test. Which would you rather be, cannon fodder in some war or apparently getting ass like Mystery is.

    Look in the eyes, who is happier.

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  15. @askjoe – yeah, could be. it’s definitely better to have your own VH1 show than to be shot at, but I bet GI Joe got his fair share of ass, normalized to the times (i.e., before the sexual revolution). in his day, he’d have ended up with a young, obedient wife in a levittown home. above par for the course.

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  16. Farrell is about as masculine as a drag queen. Total boy band toughness; if you watch Hart’s War, check the difference between him and the bad boy of 20 years ago, Bruce Willis; the difference is striking. in 20 years we’ve gone from take-no-prisoners John Mclean to andro-Alexander.

    Not a good trajectory.

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  17. cannon fodder in some war

    That’s the sucky part of being a foot solder in an empirial army: you don’t fight for your country, but for the bottom line of CEOs and politicians. You are a mercenary.

    Hey. at least you canhave some fun in a foreign land, if you choose to take that perspective.

    But if you think you’re fighting for God and Country, forget it. You capture a hill. Then you cede same hill. Lose both legs and get a colostomy bag. Five years later the enemy’s leader makes good buddies with your leader and they hang out in Dubai whle you sit in a VA hospital.

    On the other hand, fighting to defend your own country and your own people protecting your own soil is good and glorious.

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  18. For an even better illustration of “then vs. now,” just get two pornographic pictures of women, one from the 1970’s and one from today. “Then” will clearly be ***FAR*** superior :(((((

    Peter

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  19. No.

    Compare This to This.

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  20. what’s changed? Of course, our WWII GI was fighting for America, mom, apple pie, and baseball. And for his sweetheart.

    The sweetheart is out of the equation now, so beta providing and protection becomes a personal choice of, are these DC lawyer chicks, who do pro bono lawfare for the detainees at Gitmo, and the SWPL that looks down on the military, really deserving of your protection?

    I think that for many modern soldiers, the thrill of combat and old-school alpha-ism (and unspoiled small-town honeys) draw them into service. Me, I am old school patriot, so there you go.

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  21. Sixty years ago, the top 60% most attractive women tended to marry (at a young age) the top 60% men who contributed the most to society. These were men who served their country, got an education, had a good job, created jobs for others, donated money to charity, bought and maintained homes, and were community leaders. This gave large numbers of men a powerful incentive to become productive members of society.

    Today, the top 60% attractive women delay marriage while having casual sex with the top 20% of players, men like Mystery who do nothing to benefit society. This gives men either a powerful incentive to become players or a powerful incentive to play video games and view porn.

    Using myself as an example, I have a good job, but no wife, no girlfriend, and no children, which has alienated me from society. Sixty years ago, I would have been married and a pillar of the community. Today, I have no respect for women or societal institutions, don’t vote, don’t go to church, and don’t donate money to charity. I save most of my money for retirement and spend the rest on hookers.

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  22. on June 5, 2009 at 11:34 am ironrailsironweights

    Even if he had gone with a celebrity, he would have chosen Frank Sinatra or Sean Connery or Cary Grant, none of whom “peacocked.’ All embodied the reserved, cool, man-in-charge.

    It’s widely believed that every so often Cary Grant enjoyed taking it in the twins, so to speak.

    Peter

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  23. @peter – yeah, that’s true – he was bi. the live-in boyfriend of randolph scott for a few years, but then went back to women and got married a few times.

    @askjoe – i think in the rural small-town america where a lot of the military comes from, the sweetheart/old values are more alive and kicking then they are in big coastal cities. i could be wrong, though.

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  24. On this site they made a composite of 8 beautiful women from 1999 and 8 beautiful women from the 1940s.
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/03/which-of-these-two-women-is-more.html

    I’m not sure what to make of it. I found the modern picture more attractive, but it also seems more masculine at the same time. You can definitely notice a difference between the facial types though.

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  25. @ben – very interesting, shows something about changing standards of beauty. to my eye, the modern one is more overtly sexual and confident, but the older one is more compassionate and a little more vulnerable. reflecting the change in generational values, i suppose. both beautiful in different ways.

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  26. Yeah, if you look at Betty Grable, she would be positively homely today—but she had the girl-next-door qualities that beat out true sex pot Rita Hayworth in terms of poster-sales-to-GI’s. But Grable was more “feminine” looking than Hayworth.

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  27. on June 5, 2009 at 11:48 am Comment_Whatever

    “Depend upon it, Sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully”-Samuel Johnson

    A dangerous world forces people to mature and harden.

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  28. Peter, perhaps, but we’re talking about image.

    Besides, Cary Grant married 3 times, and long after his death, his 2nd wife said, “I never had time to think he was gay. We were too busy having sex!”

    Plus his 3rd marriage was to a very young and hot Dyan Cannon. She’s no lesbo, AFAIK.

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  29. My mother and aunts were looking at picutres of themselves when they were in their 20s and compared it to their children (now in their 20s). We all look much younger now. They were much more mature then. ‘Course they had kids in their 20s and houses and such.

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  30. @ben, I think that the 40’s starlets utilized for the composite weren’t that hot (Joan Fontaine who?) and didn’t include the cream of the crop. The modern composite looks like CZ Jones. That’s why it’s hot.

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  31. Erik von Markovik? Even his real name sounds effete and bullshit. PUA? More like a closet case.

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  32. The right is pretty much Olivia de Havilland with bigger eyes while the left is pretty much Jessica Alba with Eve Mendes’ eyes.

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  33. lurker

    “Frank Sinatra or Sean Connery or Cary Grant, none of whom “peacocked.’”

    Your right.

    But all dressed real sharp.

    You already should know my thoughts on the matter.

    – MPM

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  34. @lurker, C_W- yeah, one of the features of modern society is that it allows people to continue childish or adolescent behavior well into adulthood. another facet of the GI/mystery comparison, i suppose.

    depression and war, in theory, force people to grow up, but even the current wars and steep recession don’t seem to have changed much of the vulgarity or cheapness of most pop culture. we’re too fundamentally affluent for that. it’s like ancient rome: the decadence is entrenched and only being sacked by barbarians will turn the wheel.

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  35. @random – some trivia: olivia de havilland is still alive, in her 90s, living in paris. she was actually joan fontaine’s sister. i thought the 40s face bore a certain generic resemblance to claudette colbert as well.

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  36. But follow this link to a homecoming ball for an army infantry unit. I would say that the hometown sweetness option is still available.
    http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-punishers-ball.htm
    Joining the military isn’t about empire, as one commenter said. And it can be a path to alphaness.

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  37. @askjoe – well, kudos to bruce willis for being there for those guys. pretty awesome post.

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  38. Fighting for your country would have been a lot more cooler, if your country stood up for you more in the home front:

    http://www.openmarket.org/2009/05/25/state-divorce-courts-harass-our-troops-and-small-businesses/

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  39. Jesus, punitive marriage.

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  40. decadence

    That so-called decadence is what makes our civilization better than any other in the world.

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  41. This is what a modern day alpha looks like.

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  42. @Omega Male at 11.33am…

    Interesting points in your first 2 paragraphs that ring true…

    but, dude, that last paragaph? Man-up, will you?

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  43. on June 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    Man the dude on the top pic I wish I had eyes that hard fuck.

    Army helps get woman in other countries though you get respect having been in. Plus I got to demonstrate a little karate tossing my woman on the bed he he he hip throw.

    She is like why is my but and mimic ouchie.

    Me Cause I fucked the shit out of you

    her my gregi cute too much. I Love you big.

    LOL

    Life ironic to the extreme

    The song I want to fuck you like an animal doesn’t cut it.

    Should be extreme I want to fuck you like a human being who has been without pussy for 8 months.

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  44. I maintain that rural America still has not declined. There are still many families like the Palin family (sold marriage, lots of children, the father is still masculine while the mother is feminine yet tough).

    It is urban America that is a dystopia and deserving of Islamic invasion.

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  45. ‘Peacocking’ has a wide range of meanings.

    A man should always dress well. This does NOT mean dressing like Mystery. If you work in a corporate job and are over 35, the last thing you want is to have someone from your office to see you dressed like Mystery.

    One can dress ‘alpha’ at any age, and still be age-appropriate.

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  46. That so-called decadence is what makes our civilization better than any other in the world.

    Thus Spake the Parasite

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  47. on June 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm Usually Lurking

    Guys, don’t forget, those Alpha Guys that were in their teens and twenties during WWII in the early 40’s were also in places of power and influence during the 60’s when everything went to pot. Regardless of the stoned teenagers at Woodstock, all the laws were being enacted by people who were older and from the more Alpha generation.

    Same thing happened after WWI as well.

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  48. In WWII men from all walks of life were drafted, so you would have an army with wealthy players, small town religious, and just average guys.

    Now with an unpopular war and no draft, you just get those willing to sign on for, as PA says, mercenary services.

    Some guys join to just get a green card now.

    The South is overrepresented in the Military largely for nostalgic reasons. The America they love does not really exist and the real USA does not love them back. The infidelity rate for wives back home while their husbands are in Iraq or Afghanistan is really high.

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  49. Thus Spake the Parasite

    Pardon?

    The fact that we can engage in such decadent behaviour is a sign of cultural glory and affluence that no other area of the world can match. Of course, I see this from the viewpoint of a child of immigrants in a country where the poor live miserable lives in a slum. They would kill to live in our world of decadence.

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  50. That’s the sucky part of being a foot solder in an empirial army: you don’t fight for your country, but for the bottom line of CEOs and politicians. You are a mercenary.

    But if you think you’re fighting for God and Country, forget it. You capture a hill. Then you cede same hill. Lose both legs and get a colostomy bag. Five years later the enemy’s leader makes good buddies with your leader and they hang out in Dubai whle you sit in a VA hospital.

    On the other hand, fighting to defend your own country and your own people protecting your own soil is good and glorious.

    Brilliantly stated, PA. Wars were and are actually deliberately being lost to increase profits.

    Watch this:

    It’s long, but it’s worth the time. This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. This is a control vs. freedom issue.

    Then, as now, we live under certain illusions required to prop up the system. Feminism increases income for the financiers — women flood the workplace with cheap labor and become good tax payers.

    They want you divided into “democrats” and “republicans.” They want you divided into “urbanites” and “ruralites.” They want you divided into “feminists” and “masculinists.” Divided, you are weaker. Divided, you are easier to rule.

    Hate divides. Love unites.

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  51. Calling the military mercenary is SWPL (that being a slur used by members of the media who got pissed that the all-volunteer army wasn’t following the “unpopular war” script, and instead reenlisting, not fragging officers, and engaging the bad guys, as the libs wanted). But, mandy, there has to be some material reward, being in the military shouldn’t be a vow of permanent poverty.

    True, the decadence, i.e., the moral rot (not the material wealth that David Alexander confusedly celebrates (ignoring that all the wealth an alpha needs is $.54 to buy a bag of skittles)) is killing off the ideals upon which this country became what it is, but…well, I don’t know what the but is. See you in Galt’s Gulch.

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  52. on June 5, 2009 at 1:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naaa Hope war doesn’t divide it seperates the wheat from the chaff. If I wouldn’t of had to have a 4 year long distance relationship I wouldn’t know just how strong my woman and I could be. If I wasn’t seperated from her for 8 months there could not have been a homecoming like I had. It gives you something to be able to go through that will stick with you for life. Challenges are what sears those memories of overcoming the challenges together into a relationship that can withstand some turbulance and gives you confidence in your ability as a couple to tackle anything.

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  53. David Alexander

    They would kill to live in our world of decadence.

    Perhaps our decadence is killing us.

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  54. Gunslingergregi

    Glad to see that helo arrived and you made it home.

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  55. D.A. misunderstands. The decadence that is killing isn’t wealth, running water, or medicine. It’s a moral vacuum where the basics tenets of our society aren’t even worth defending. Look at Europe, where the eurotrash have, through mutliculti delusions, rejected their heritage. That’s happening here.

    60 years ago, some Joe from Wisconsin in Normandy fought to protect western ideals.

    Now, you can fight for whatever you like, tradition, the thrill of battle, to earn a college degree, etc., but people like Roissy and Mystery prefer to surf down the whirlpool of pussy of society circling the drain.

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  56. On modern male stars:

    George Clooney has a certain old-style alpha coolness about him. I have never seen him sloppily dressed and he often has that half grin on his face.

    Not overly buffed up but not effete either.

    In other words a good masculine look that many men could aspire to.

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  57. on June 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thank Bro

    Yea ok I missed you fucks a little he he he

    May have to buy a satellite for the house.

    Nice doing it while lyeing down on titties.

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  58. — Calling the military mercenary is SWPL

    In my comment I was using a definition of mercenary whereby you fight for undefined causes in faraway lands. I don’t use that term an insult. For what it’s worth, I served in US Army and on one or two occasions have been exposed to life-threatning situations in line of duty.

    — The fact that we can engage in such decadent behaviour is a sign of cultural glory and affluence that no other area of the world can match.

    The problem with decadence is that it is not sustainable.

    — Of course, I see this from the viewpoint of a child of immigrants in a country where the poor live miserable lives in a slum. They would kill to live in our world of decadence.

    Myself being an immigrant, I came here with a strong psychological investment in this country’s viability well into the future.

    — They want you divided into “democrats” and “republicans.”

    Hope, I agree, most Reps and Dems are swine. But if there are tiny outposts of decency, they dwell within the Republican Party.

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  59. on June 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm Comment_Whatever

    And now we know where gunslinger has been.

    Gunslinger, I think oil is very, very near peak price for a while. You could buy a cheap August put option(50+) or two just to see what happens. The pay-off will be high if I’m right.

    Mind you, I’m not talking craziness here, less than a 1000 dollars, and if it works out, you’ll like. And if not, it wasn’t that much money. But it’ll probably be a complete loss if things don’t work out.

    But the way the tape is moving, and everything else, I’m getting surer and surer every day.

    Again, craziness is bad. The next likely case is a moon-shot upward…. which will render the value of the puts zero. Complete loss.

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  60. Nope. I don’t think the WWII war guy is the appropriate comparison to Mystery; nor is Sean Connery or Carey Grant. Try this instead:

    Dad at 25

    Funny how the more time changes, the more things stay the same. The only difference is: we have a word for it now–“peacocking”.

    As for the modern-day correlate of Sean Connery or Carey Grant, it’s George Clooney and/or Brad Pitt.

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  61. Usually Lurking

    “Guys, don’t forget, those Alpha Guys that were in their teens and twenties during WWII in the early 40’s were also in places of power and influence during the 60’s when everything went to pot. Regardless of the stoned teenagers at Woodstock, all the laws were being enacted by people who were older and from the more Alpha generation.”

    Excellent point,UL.Dont be fooled by the old-timers.Their supposed virtue is a great big fat lie.WWII’s “greatest generation” was more depraved than even we are.Consider the following:

    Love, Sex and War

    John Costello

    From Chapter 13: The Girls They Left Behind

    Fifteen and Sixteen-Year-Old War Brides. Allotment Annies

    In the United States a rash of teenage girls married their high-school boyfriends as they were drafted. Thousands of young brides followed their new spouses to rural towns near army training camps. This put a severe strain on housing and medical facilities. ‘When the troops came, right on their trail would come the little war brides, fifteen and sixteen-year-old kids from every corner of the nation,’ recalled Dr Thomas J. Taylor, whose small mid-west practice was swamped by young mothers-to-be from the adjoining army transit camp. ‘They’d just be dumped off in our little town, and of course every one of them was pregnant and ready to deliver.’ Apart from the obstetric complications, the welfare problems which resulted were enormous:

    I vividly recall when a second-class rooming house was jammed with war brides and babies and I was called there because of a rather severe flu epidemic. I remember walking through that rooming house and each room had three or four mothers with babies, all of them, and they all had the flu. A bathroom down the hall, no money, desperate. I tried to do right and called the Salvation Army. In that particular case they did a heroic job clearing up that mess. This was repeated over and over in staging areas throughout the country until finally, late in the war, the message got through to most of these kids and they didn’t follow their husbands out.

    In addition to the social problems created by the migration of rootless teenage wives, there were the notorious ‘war-brides’ called ‘Allotment Annies’ who hustled departing soldiers into marriage to collect the twenty dollars a month the US Government automatically allotted to servicemen’s wives. With a private’s pay rising to fifty dollars a month for overseas service, some greedy ‘Annies’ took on four, five, and even six husbands. These unscrupulous women made bigamy a business, and in return for V-mail letters to GIs overseas they lived very well off the pale blue-green Government cheques. Some, with the financial acumen of actuaries, specialized in airmen, anticipating that their higher mortality rates would increase their chances of collecting the ten thousand dollar jackpot Government insurance cheque issued if their husband was killed in action.

    Elvira Taylor achieved national notoriety as the ‘Allotment Annie’ who operated out of Norfolk Virginia and specialized in sailors. She managed to snare six live ones and was about to hook a seventh when she was arrested as a result of two of her ‘husbands’ starting a fight in an English pub when they showed each other her picture as their ‘wife’. When they had been cooled off by the military police, they joined forces to expose the duplicitous Elvira, who was discovered by checking the navy pay records to have contracted four other bigamous marriages.

    While ‘Allotment Annies’ took care not to become burdened with offspring, the twenty per cent leap in the American marriage rates resulted in a baby boom. A similar celebratory jump became apparent nine months after the navy’s tide-turning victory at the Battle of Midway in June 1942, and through to the end of the war the American birth rate continued to peak nine months after every Allied triumph – El Alamein, D-Day, and the fall of Berlin. This natal phenomenon appears to indicate that victory euphoria confirmed many couples’ hopes of a stable future.

    In Britain, by contrast, the birth rate actually declined between 1939 and 1941 in spite of the record number of marriages recorded in the first two years of the war, doubtless an indication of parental apprehension about the nation’s chances of survival. The Allied victories in 1943 and 1944, however, appear to have been celebrated with the same procreative urge as in the United States, as births in those years were pushed up ten and twenty-five per cent over 1939 in anticipation of ultimate Allied victory – and the presence of a million American troops in England in the run-up to the long awaited invasion of France. (pp. 268-270)

    Soldier Jilted

    An American girl who had been going steady with a soldier posted overseas in 1943 jilted him after receiving a letter from him telling of the emotional strain of life at the front:

    He was sent to Italy where the fighting was very intense for a long time, and he wrote to me whenever he could. Then, in one of those V-mail letters, he told me he cried many nights during the heavy fighting. In my sheltered life with my stereotyped notions of what a man constituted, the thought of his crying turned my stomach. I was convinced I had loved a coward. I never wrote to him again. (p. 272)

    ‘Dear John’ Letters. Casualties Back Home

    A GI stationed in Persia in 1943 received what GIs came to know as the ‘Dear John’ letter asking for a divorce:

    The time has come to clear things between us. You will have realized before now, that our marriage was a mistake. I beg of you to put an end to this mistake and get a divorce. I left your house this morning, because I didn’t want to saddle you with the role of a betrayed husband. As a matter of fact, I have never been yours, but now I belong to someone else, and this finishes things between us… Elaine.

    In anger and desperation, this particular soldier passed his wife’s brush-off letter to Yank magazine, asking if his faithless wife could still go on receiving his monthly allowance. He was advised to apply to a legal assistance officer for a divorce: ‘Yours is a classic version of a common problem. All the proof in the world that a soldierly wife is faithless does not change the fact that a family allowance is given to her regularly as long as she remains legally married to the soldier.’

    Nor was it only the absent fathers who suffered as a result of their wives carrying on. One wartime child remembered how his playmate was affected:

    His mother wasn’t a woman of high morals, if you know what I mean. She sort of slept around a lot while her husband was gone, and sometimes when she got the twitch in the middle of the day, she’d bring her boys home with her for a little tumble and send the kid over to see us. We knew when that was going on because he would always arrive crying, or, if he wasn’t crying, we’d see him hanging around in our backyard looking like he’d been kicked. (p. 273)

    Female Financial Independence

    That war jobs and long periods of separation gave many wartime wives a new sense of independence was indisputable. ‘The more money, the less family life, is an established pattern in the United States which war psychology has merely emphasized,’ wrote an American sociologist of the new mood of the sixteen million working women – six million of whom were married, worked, and continued to rear children under fourteen years of age. Fired by this new sense of financial independence, some women abandoned their husbands and families without even the formality of a divorce. (p. 274)

    Wartime Adultery and Divorce

    One out of every three American servicemen were married by the end of the war. There was a doubling of petitions for divorce by 1945 when, for every hundred couples getting married, thirty-one were legally separated. In Britain the comparable figures was five divorces for a hundred marriages, but this was up from the one in a hundred level of 1939.

    Under US wartime law if a GI husband overseas refused to consent to proceedings, his wife often found it impossible to obtain a divorce as long as her husband was in uniform, because many American judges regarded it as their sacred duty to try to preserve the sanctity of the family while the war was on. After V-J Day this restraint was removed and the number of divorce petitions shot up.

    The wartime divorce phenomenon afflicted British servicemen to the same increasing degree. The number of adultery petitions filed after 1942 rose by a hundred per cent each year above the 1939-42 average. The final twelve months of the war also saw a spectacular eightfold jump in the number of husbands who were suing for divorce on the grounds of adultery. By 1945, two out of every three petitions were being filed by men, whereas until 1940 female petitions had been in the majority.

    ‘Separation was intolerable for some wives and sweethearts,’ was one British wife’s rationalization of the epidemic of wartime adultery. According to her, the pressures that led many wives into extra-marital affairs were compounded because they even achieved a measure of social acceptability. (pp. 274-275)

    Wartime Illegitimacy

    Of the 5.3 million British infants delivered between 1939 and 1945, over a third were illegitimate – and this wartime phenomenon was not confined to any one section of society. The babies that were born out of wedlock belonged to every age group of mother, concluded one social researcher:

    Some were adolescent girls who had drifted away from homes which offered neither guidance nor warmth and security. Still others were women with husbands on war service, who had been unable to bear the loneliness of separation. There were decent and serious, superficial and flighty, irresponsible and incorrigible girls among them. There were some who had formed serious attachments and hoped to marry. There were others who had a single lapse, often under the influence of drink. There were, too, the ‘good-time girls’ who thrived on the presence of well-paid servicemen from overseas, and semi-prostitutes with little moral restraint. But for the war many of these girls, whatever their type, would never have had illegitimate children. (pp. 276-277)

    Wartime Abortions

    Neither British nor American statistics, which indicate that wartime promiscuity reached its peak in the final stages of the war, take account of the number of irregularly conceived pregnancies that were terminated illegally. Abortionists appear to have been in great demand during the war. One official British estimate suggests that one in five of all pregnancies was ended in this way, and the equivalent rate for the United States indicates that the total number of abortions for the war years could well have been over a million.

    These projections are at best merely a hypothetical barometer of World War II’s tremendous stimulus to extra-marital sexual activity. The highest recorded rate of illegitimate births was not among teenage girls, as might have been expected. Both British and American records indicate that women between twenty and thirty gave birth to nearly double the number of pre-war illegitimate children. Since it appears that the more mature women were the ones most encouraged by the relaxed morals of wartime to ‘enjoy’ themselves, it may be surmized that considerations of fidelity were no great restraint on the urge of the older married woman to participate in the general rise in wartime sexual promiscuity. (pp. 277-278)

    Unmarried Mothers

    The wartime rise in illegitimacy rates put pressure on the public welfare authorities in Britain and the United States to assume the burden of a social problem which wartime conditions had greatly accelerated. Historically, the unmarried mother had been made an object of disgrace, to be pilloried in the market place or forced to stand at the Church door on Sundays shrouded in a while sheet. In World War II, however, the unmarried mother became a candidate for social welfare rather than a target for moral outrage. (p. 278)

    Wartime Delinquency and the ‘Patriotutes’

    The impact of World War II was to effect quite dramatic shifts in the behaviour and attitude of society. ‘Total war is the most catastrophic instigator of social change the world has ever seen, with the possible exception of violent revolution,’ was how a leading American sociologist put it. Francis E. Merrill, a professor at Dartmouth College, observed in his 1946 study how wartime duty had transformed the American nation into a ‘people doing new things – grimly, protestingly, gladly, semi-hysterically – but all changing the pattern of their lives to some extent under the vast impersonality of total war.’

    Millions of families work out new adjustments, as the wife and mother plays the roles of the absent husband and father. Millions of women go to work for the first time in their lives, often at hard and exacting manual labour in shipyard and aircraft factories. Millions of their children somehow learn to fend for themselves and come home from school to an empty and motherless house. Millions of wives, sweethearts, mothers, and fathers are under constant nervous tension with their loved ones in active theatres of operations. Millions of wives learn to live without their husbands, mothers without their sons, children without their fathers, girls without their beaux.

    The universal wartime disruption of family life would have its most profound effect on adolescents, who by the final years of World War II were creating a major juvenile delinquency problem in every warring nation. Arrests of teenagers were up, no matter whether it was Munich, Manchester or Milwaukee. The files of the German SD security police, British probation officers, and juvenile courts across the United States attest that juvenile sex delinquency was one of the most widespread social problems of the war.

    Britain was the first nation to be afflicted with high wartime arrest rates for teenage girls. There was a one hundred per cent increase in the first three years after 1939 and large numbers of them were judged in ‘need of care and attention’ – indicating that they were morally ‘at risk’. An East London magistrate stated that the ‘earlier maturity’ and the ‘jungle rhythms heard by juveniles from morning unto bedtime, and slushy movies are in part responsible for an increase in sex delinquency among youths’. Other factors were the unsettling experience for city schoolchildren of the 1940 evacuation to the country, and the government’s mobilization of women, which included the mothers of adolescents aged fourteen years or more.

    So many fathers were absent from home in military service that wartime adolescents were deprived of parental supervision and discipline at a critical stage in their emotional and sexual development. Girls could leave school at fourteen, and there were plenty of servicemen to provide excitement as an escape from wartime deprivations. By 1943, London and the other large cities were crowded with GIs, Canadians, and other foreign troops. In one London borough the number of teenage girls judged ‘in need of care and attention’ had multiplied sixfold in the year before the invasion of France. Americans had a special fascination for such girls, according to a probation officer from London’s dockland area:

    All that seems to be necessary is for the girl to have a desire to please… Those girls who are misfits at home or at work, or who feel inferior for some reason or another, have been very easy victims. Their lives were brightened by the attention… and they found that they had an outlet which was not only a contrast, but was a definite compensation for the dullness, poverty, and, sometimes, unhappiness of their home life.

    An emergency Home Office study commissioned that year left no doubt that the GIs were a major stimulus of this wave of sexual delinquency:

    To girls brought up on the cinema, who copied the dress, hairstyles, and manners of Hollywood stars, the sudden influx of Americans, speaking like the films, who actually lived in the magic country and who had plenty of money, at once went to the girl’s heads. The American attitude to women, their proneness to spoil a girl, to build up, exaggerate, talk big, and to act with generosity and flamboyance, helped to make them the most attractive boyfriends. In addition, they ‘picked-up’ girls easily, and even a comparatively plain and unattractive girl stood a chance.

    If it was the glamour of the GIs’ Hollywood image which aroused the erotic passions of British teenage girls, their counterparts across the Atlantic were stirred by a misguided adolescent patriotism. While their brothers participated in the national war fervour by joining up, thereby assuming the trappings of manhood, adolescent American girls had no such outlet. Psychologists surmized that the ‘Victory Girls’ or ‘cuddle bunnies’, as they were called, saw ‘uniform-hunting’ at railway stations and bus terminals as their way of sharing in the wartime adventure. When detained by the police they would often claim that they were sexually promiscuous ‘Because it’s my patriotic duty to comfort the poor boys who may go overseas and get killed.’

    An army flyer at a base-training camp in rural Illinois recalled that the adolescent prostitutes in the nearby town would ‘pick up guys at a soda fountain or in movie theatres and take them out in daddy’s car and go at it. Some of them took on four or five guys a night’. Most of the young servicemen preyed upon by these girls were lonely and naturally not averse to accepting the sexual invitations they were offered. The ‘patriotutes’ as they were dubbed in the American press often dispensed their favours for a Coca-Cola, a meal, or the price of a movie. (pp. 279-281)

    High-School Good-Time Girls

    ‘Good-time girls of high-school age are the army’s biggest problem today as a potential source of disease’ announced a 1943 report from the base surgeon of large mid-western army airfield. The report concluded, ‘While mothers are winning the war in the factories, their daughters are losing it on the streets.’ Well over half of all the women arrested for sexual offences in the United States by the end of the war were under twenty-one. FBI statistics show that there had been a seventy per cent increase in teenage prostitutes, and in cities like San Diego, with a large transient service population, the number of girls arrested had increased threefold. According to US Army records, nearly half of the soldiers who contracted VD blamed girls under nineteen years of age. (p. 282)

    John Costello, Love Sex and War: Changing Values, 1939-45. William Collins, London, 1985.

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  62. Of course, because Dave Alex’s worldview is incredibly skewed and he displays the understanding of a 12 year old, he completely misses the important fact that this got they way he likes because others, unlike him, were willing to do the dirty work. We’re getting fewer and fewer guys willing to do that now. Again, Dave Alex knows not these things. What else is new.

    O

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  63. on June 5, 2009 at 1:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    why i never sighned up for options lol I prob would go all in.
    Really though if you think that big of a swing why not straddle it. How much swing would it take from the base to make 200 percent profit either way?

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  64. Don’t kid yourself.

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  65. “I think that for many modern soldiers, the thrill of combat and old-school alpha-ism (and unspoiled small-town honeys) draw them into service.”

    That’s what I was looking for. I was bored. I wanted to do high speed shit, blow things up and ride in helicopters. Got exactly what I wanted (and plenty I don’t). But that seems to be the trade-off. Them’s the breaks.

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  66. Thanks for your service, Francis.

    After some thought, however, the 40’s era analog to Mystery would be Jimmy Stewart as an air corps officer. I saw his recruiting film, which I can’t find online, where his pitch is, hey chicks dig aviators. One cool fella, he was, in that clip. cock.

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  67. roissy,

    a picture speaks a 1000 words is right…i had prepared a long diatribe about this society’s transformation from valuing the “bruiser” versus the “dandy”. its from something i read in ridley’s “the red queen”. your picture cut to the heart of what i was going to write.

    this society has come to a place where it is worse to be called a poser than a coward. if you’re called a coward, since what we’re supposed to stand for is jumbled and unclear, it’s not such a dig. but if you’re called a poser, having your intellectualism, music choices, and “style”, things that now define people in today’s age, it’s grounds for a heated argument.

    of course society has shifted values b/c of less need for a protective male presence. male’s strategies of “dandy” and “bruiser” are employed to select the best male. the shift to dandyism indicates that females select for those traits rather than those of the classic alpha male.

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  68. dandy versus bruiser…see Rob Roy, the fight between Liam Neeson and Tim Roth.

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  69. on June 5, 2009 at 2:46 pm Comment_Whatever

    Gunslinger said:

    why i never sighned up for options lol I prob would go all in.
    Really though if you think that big of a swing why not straddle it. How much swing would it take from the base to make 200 percent profit either way?

    The Call’s are more expensive than the Put’s and I haven’t done the math on them so I can’t give you an answer off the top of my head. For the puts, I’d say if oil hit 58-59 you could easily double your money. That seems like a pretty big drop for a six-week time periond, but it was lower less than a month ago, so it’s not really that big a drop.

    Go all in?

    That’s not really a good idea, Gunslinger.

    With options you really can lose everything.

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  70. on June 5, 2009 at 2:49 pm Seeking Alpha

    Engineer

    Why bearish on oil?

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  71. THe G, darn tootin’. Men have forgotten how to dress. Now they either look like 8 year olds whose mother’s bought them clothes 5 sizes too big in the hopes they grow into them, or else some guy dressed for casual friday (complete with stripey shirt).

    George Clooney is old school Hollywood dressin’ and behavin’. Not for nothing he’s compared to Cary Grant.

    Chuck, darn tootin as well. With no need for protective males in sight—after all, criminals are just “misundestood” or “victims of racism,” not bad, and crime rates low—-the dandy dominates. Women want men who look and act like, well, women.

    This is why societies are ultimately self-destructive. Societies are created to protect women, but once they are successful at removing danger, the protectors and builders of protection are weeded out and disdained, while fake tough guys (who “act tough” and brag about toughness but have no proof—see rap stars) and girlish epicureans (see backstreet boys) are selected for.

    And once you remove the protectors and builders of protection—bingo, some outside culture sweeps in and destroys the defenseless, effiminate society.

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  72. The problem with decadence is that it is not sustainable.

    That’s the sad part. Decadence is the ability to enjoy the fruits of one’s labour, but if you can’t enjoy as a society, then one begins to question the entire purpose of everything? In other words, why work so hard when you can’t enjoy the results?

    I served in US Army and on one or two occasions have been exposed to life-threatning situations in line of duty

    By chance, were you deployed at some point in a 1990s peace keeping operation?

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  73. Tood says:

    “I maintain that rural America still has not declined. There are still many families like the Palin family (sold marriage, lots of children, the father is still masculine while the mother is feminine yet tough).”

    Yeah, and with a skanky daughter who had a bastard by a white trash alpha badboy.

    Pick another example.

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  74. Many, many men came home from WWII to a very unfavorable social and economic climate. Jobs were scarce, wives or girlfriends had often abandoned them while they were gone, and many of the men had been through horrific battles. The scenes we see of everyone partying on VJ day give us a very skewed perception of the postwar period, which was actually pretty grim. My grandfather returned from service as a B-17 crewman to terrible job prospects, living in near poverty until he got an engineering job with Boeing around 1950.

    If it hadn’t been for a number of government programs, such as the GI Bill, to get men back on their feet and provide employment, there would have been widespread social unrest.

    The reason these programs could be implemented back then was that America was still patriarchal enough to remove women from the labor force and restrict their access to higher education. There is no chance that will happen today. We have opened up Pandora’s box, and we’ll pay for it for some time.

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  75. on June 5, 2009 at 3:01 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    well put

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  76. “Adm. Halsey: When this war is over Japanese will be a language only spoken in hell (or something like that)

    Today all you hear is how Islam is a religion of peace.”

    And our current so-called president is off apologizing to the world for everything we’ve ever done.

    Yeah, that will earn respect. Who wants to bet on a Korean war or another major U.S. terrorist strike while Dumbo is in office? Any takers?

    Bush was stupid in his own ways, but at least he inspired enough fear to keep terrorists from blowing up more U.S. buildings or Kim Jong from crossing the line.

    Don’t ever think we can stop terrorism in this country without making the terrorists fear war in their own countries. Look at our borders, at how we can’t even slow down drug imports or illegal immigration. Look at what McVeigh did with minimal resources. Any time they want to come here and kill people, they can.

    As for Korea, if I were Kim Jong, I would be coordinating something with Iran right about now. Dumbo won’t ever drop a nuke, and we simply can’t afford to add two more conventional wars to our plate with $2 trillion plus deficits. Even one serious conventional conflict would break us and our borrowing power, which is about to collapse any way. Especially since any conflict in Korea or further conflict in the middle east would send oil prices to $150-$200 a barrel, and we can’t even supply 1/3rd of our own oil during peace time.

    I wasn’t this worried about the future when the Soviets had thousands of nukes pointed at us. I knew what Reagan would do. So did they.

    Today I know what Obama won’t do. So do they.

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  77. “The America they love does not really exist and the real USA does not love them back. The infidelity rate for wives back home while their husbands are in Iraq or Afghanistan is really high.”

    Hence the show “Army Wives”. The most egregious display of male exploitation and ingratitude that ever came to be.

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  78. Something I’ve asked before but will ask again because I’ve never gotten an answer is this:

    What is happening sexually among twenty something girls these days, who fall into the 4’s and 5’s category? Yes I realize too many of them are fat or obese but not all of them. As well a bit of muffin middle or small amount of extra weight, while not media cute is not that awful.

    I refuse to believe that all or most not really fat 4’s and 5’s are getting casual sex from any kind of alphas, except by an act of god and a bolt of lightening. Drunk alphas facing slim pickings sometimes do 6’s. Ever a 5? Don’t tell anyone, maybe in extremis when no one’s looking, but can that be a regular diet for 5’s much less 4’s? I’m sure not.

    So why they hell can’t today’s betas, like the “then” one’s pictured above, bang 4’s and 5’s?

    I’m warning you all, if I don’t get some good answers from more than one or two of you gen Y’s on this I’m going to keep asking this question, again and again. I’m copying it to disk now. Why? Because I’m an asshole. But besides that, it strikes me as going to the heart of the “betas can’t get laid today, AT ALL, argument.

    (Or can’t until a thoroughly slutified and jaded 30 yo panics and starts looking for a beta husband having finally despaired of an alpha one, grimaces, and starts up engagement fucking. Soon after kids to be followed by divorce.)

    As well I promise you, as soon as any of us take this issue wide, that’s what people from skeptical post feminist friend girls, to journalists, are going to ask or challenge, probably using different language (without the numbers).

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  79. It’s true. The same way guys complain about women cahsing the top 20% of guys, most guys are out chasing the top 20% of women, and complaining that they can’t get their attention. Women are fatter than in the past, but so are men, so that seems mostly a wash as far as looks are concerned. Men can get, and hold the attention of a 4/5 girl, but most men don’t want to, until they eventually find themselves settling, later on, after the chase for 7’s and up grows old, for the old reliable 4/5. Quite analagous to women settling for the betas later on in life. Basically this site is mostly about men who are facing the reality that they won’t get more than a 5, at the most, and resenting the hell out of those 7’s and up, who won’t give them the time of day. Lowered expectations indeed.

    For all the posters’ hate of socialism, and love of the “winner take all” nature of financial capitalism, they certainly hate when women exercise “pussy capitalism”. If it means that they are the losers. Then it is all about scheming about how to redistribute women in a more “fair and equitable” manner, where they might actaully have a chance.

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  80. Maurice, the comparison is apt.

    ALMOST ALL MEN who were not 4F were in the military during WWII. John Wayne, who was older, around 38, got crap from John Ford for the rest of Ford’s life, because ALL of Ford’s sons were in the military.

    During WWII, there was almost NO guy who was not either over 40, or obviously 4f, who was not in uniform fighting overseas.

    Today, the US Military, in a time of two wars, has about 1% of the male population.

    Even more telling, there was no need for GAME. Because most men didn’t need it to get married to girls their own attractiveness and status, and you didn’t have even celebrities being open about being decadent. They had to hide it.

    Maurice, sorry but you’re wrong on female preference. It’s either controllable whimpsters (think Jessica Valenti) as Ricky Raw (the Rawness) points out in his post (READ IT) on Modern Women, or single motherhood with guys on the side ala Lady Rain. Working class white women have 40% illegitimate births, and middle class white women 20%, according to Charles Murray.

    And you’re missing a point. Entertainment today is almost entirely dominated by women. Except for Summer Blockbusters, nearly all movies and ALL TV shows are female-oriented. Reality TV is of course a total FEMALE/GAY ghetto. And Mystery is JUST what women want.

    David A — Decadence is not sustainable. The crash will be hard and ugly.

    Spot on about “Army Wives.” Women LOVE infidelity (that was a major theme in the “Unit” and women loved it).

    Doug — I’ll answer, though I’m not Gen Y. Men, who are at least 5-6-7, will NOT have sex with a 3-4-5. And there are not many 5’s either, most are 3-4. Not the “muffin middle” but pretty well obese. They’d rather have porn. Mexican guys will, and you’ll often see that pairing. But very rarely White guys.

    You can’t force attractiveness, on either sex. Most Gen Y-X guys would rather be alone than with a 3-4, and even a 5. Most women fall into the bin of “too fat” to be attractive, or attractive (due to diet/exercise). There’s rarely any half-half bit, and the floor men have for attractiveness is fairly rigid. LR for example could easily gain 10-15 lbs and men would still find her attractive. If she gained 70 lbs, no.

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  81. @doug – i just posted something like that on the other “LR” thread, in response to Obs and Nova. I’m not really GenY, though, so not your target …

    @anony – nice set of points. bravo. but women cannot really improve their looks, short of losing weight, whereas men can improve on their betatude by learning game and using alpha techniques to improve their lot in life otherwise.

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  82. @Ovid – great read, very interesting stuff. thanks for posting it.

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  83. doug1:

    i’m of that generation. i can’t really say i have a good answer for it. the only thing i can come up with is that both sexes rate themselves higher than they actually are.

    or think of it this way. while a 5 female may not be able to pull a 10 male, she can probably pretty easily pull a 7 male whereas it is much more difficult for a 5 male to pull a 7 female and pretty much impossible for him to pull a 10 (btw these scores include a man’s Game in the equation).

    this naturally pushes down the sexual competitiveness of men relative to women. a female, given that she is less sexually driven than a male, can hold out for higher quality partners. since a 5 male’s pool of women choose to select 6 or 7 scaled men, this leaves him having to pull 3 and 4 rated women.

    even though our society isn’t completely alpha dominated like many primates and other animals, the scale is still slightly skewed in favor of the alpha male. the female scale is shifted in his direction leaving a vacuum towards the bottom for less attractive men.

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  84. Funny, Anonymous sounds exactly like Lady Rain with all the biographical stuff removed. The same uninformative, slightly disguised whining about roissy and his readership.

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  85. whiskey:

    “Men, who are at least 5-6-7, will NOT have sex with a 3-4-5.”

    you are flat out wrong man.

    perhaps men don’t talk about these bangs very openly, but guys will dick down women who are a couple points lower than them on the scale. this includes white guys.

    now, if we’re talking about finding a girl to take home to the family and show off to friends, then sure, guys will avoid dating a woman who falls more than a point or so below him. sex is a different animal though.

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  86. Here is a Yahoo thread about army wives who cheat. Most of the posters are the wives that don’t cheat discussing the many married skanks on their bases who do cheat.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006052430006

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  87. @Whiskey – i’ll take a look at the post. gays and women may control entertainment, but they have to respond to the market at the the end of the day, and so they offer up the traditionally masculine men that women prefer in addition to the other types. the movies were always a fantasy world where men and women could gaze at idealized members of the opposite sex, and so are a proxy for what successive generations viewed as attractive.

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  88. Seinfeld was right, most people are too ugly to date.

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  89. Whiskey

    “During WWII, there was almost NO guy who was not either over 40, or obviously 4f, who was not in uniform fighting overseas. “

    One brief but important point.Two-thirds of enlisted men in the European theatre were so-called “support troops,” they never saw combat.In the Pacific the ratio was 17 to 1.Dont believe the propaganda about the He-men of yesteryear.Its BS.

    @Maurice Your welcome,mate.

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  90. he was bi. the live-in boyfriend of randolph scott for a few years,

    Randolph Scott? Yikes, I just saw ‘Ride the High Country’, where he’s a rugged Westerner. Would never have guessed.

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  91. PA

    That’s the sucky part of being a foot solder in an empirial army: you don’t fight for your country, but for the bottom line of CEOs and politicians. You are a mercenary.

    That’s always been my view. I’m always puzzled when people reflexively “support our troups” and “support our CEOs and politicians” in the same breath – as if it were the same concept. But then I was born with an outsiders view. I don’t have a mind that tends to agree with the social gestalt. I’m a rebel.

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  92. p.s. i can think of a bunch of TV shows that are male-oriented. in the end, they serve up what people will watch, or they drop it and try something else.

    on the WWII/game stuff, i and some others posted a few thoughts on that above. you have to normalize it til before the sexual revolution and feminism, but the GI generation may not have needed “game” as understood today because they were unusually mature and hardened at younger ages, hence more conventionally masculine and dominant. women having fewer options helped, for sure, but men didn’t prolong stupid adolscent behaviours until they were almost 30 as is more common today. women no doubt responded to that – and the fact of military service at that time. see the “patriotutes” in Ovid’s post above.

    btw, what is your take on the whole Judd Apatow slacker-schlub-as-leading-man phenomenon? I can’t stand those movies, and I can only guess what the source of their appeal is. they glorify male incompetence and immaturity, yet these dudes always get girls *way* hotter then they ever would in real life. so it’s got to be an everyman fantasy thing, but instead of a male lead that a man can aspire to be, he’s a man that is kind like them on a bad day, or even someone most succesful guys could plausibly look down on. Do I see myself as Seth Rogen, or would I ever want to do so ? No.

    Is this, actually, something like the Beta Withdrawal that Obs and others post about, up on the screen in celluloid? Guys who don’t even pretend to give a shit, don’t bother to jump through most social hoops, yet still (happy ending required) end up with hot girls?

    It’s no wonder women generally don’t like those movies, and yet they kinda prove my point about hollywood offering up what people will pay to see, and not just the preferences of the people in the business.

    i have profound doubts as to your claim that women “prefer” the jessica-valenti’s-beta-poodle dude or unmarried motherhood, but will refrain from a retort until i’ve read that post.

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  93. Chuck makes a *powerful* point.

    In venues like these guys talk a lotta smack about only banging 7s and above, but such talk doesn’t jibe w/reality; all it takes to put that lie to the test is to simply head to your nearest mall; there you will commonly find guys who clearly *could* be doing better, walking arm in arm w/gals in the sub-5 group. In fact, this is *the norm*, not a rarity.

    This is due to several reasons.

    One, because of the very simple evolutionary fact-FACT-that most Men don’t get laid.

    Lemme say that again:

    MOST MEN WALKING AROUND, DO NOT GET LAID.

    What do I mean by that? Simple.

    We already know what Women will select for, all things being equal. This alone means, that there *will* be at least some, if not most, Men left standing when the music stops.

    If you’re a guy reading this, ask yourself this very simple question:

    Last year, did you get laid at least 12 times-that breaks down to once a month? If you answered yes, consider yourself very fortunate. Most guys cannot say that.

    Yup, that’s right people, most of the guys you see walking around, do not get laid, at least once a month. Sounds crazy I know, but think about it-the porn biz is a multi-billion dollar industry, and by the looks of things, these figures will only go up. Next, consider the clubs-droves of guys go in by themselves, and will leave, by themselves.

    Keep in mind-only about 40% of ALL MEN WHO EVER LIVED, went on to sire kids. The vast majority, did not. Of course back in the day, we had things like wars and disease to cull this herd; it will be very interesting to see what happens when such an overwhelming cohort of Men not only don’t get laid, *but know WHY they aint getting laid*.

    That’ll be the Tipping Point that causes Betas to go off the grid, in droves. Its already begun now, w/the so-called Marriage Strike, the Slacker culture, Bromances and so on. But we haven’t seen it full force yet. Its yet to come. Maybe a few years. Definitely by the end of the next decade. Definitely.

    So, that’s one side. Here’s the other:

    The 3s, 4s and 5s, are experiencing what I call an artificial “bump up” in the sexual marketplace-not only do they have access to makeup and other cosmetic technologies, they also have access to the Four Sisters, as Roissy calls em, just like their better sisters do; put this along w/the aforementioned evo-factors, and its easy to see how such a sub-par group of Women can really believe their own press. 3s, 4s and 5s honestly do believe their 6s, 7s and 8s, because of the glut of 60%ers-the guys who can’t manage to get laid once a month, which are legion.

    I predict that the “sexual market” WILL undergo a “correction”; what’s tougher for me to suss out, is when, and what will bring said correction about. Perhaps Whiskey’s argument, that ba prolonged economic downturn will not only play a role, but be the driving force behind said correction; maybe an increase in Betas going off the grid will do it; I simply do not know.

    But what I DO know, is that the system as is, is unsustainable. It can’t continue in its present state. Sooner or later, the Poon Bubble, will burst.

    Talk about lancing a boil…this thing is gonna *ugly*, when it finally goes down…

    Holla back

    O

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  94. The last two men from my unit to die in Vietnam were “support troops.”

    My base actually lost more people to motor vehicle in Japan during the time I was there than we did in combat and flying accidents combined. The accidental death toll was fairly high, averaging over two a year out of a population of around 5,000. It’s a dangerous trade, even in peacetime, even for noncombatants.

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  95. @Ovid, Whiskey, MarkD –

    even military guys who never see combat have to function in a much more disciplined, hierarchical, and results-oriented environment. military culture is basically masculine in that sense, that it entrenches and institutioanlizes these behaviors. you can almost always spot an ex-military guy from across the room, in fact, for those reasons. chicks dig it.

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  96. So why they hell can’t today’s betas, like the “then” one’s pictured above, bang 4’s and 5’s?

    David is 25, so he’s technically Gen Y, but hates being lumped in with them…

    My perspective is useless here since most of my male friends are high betas/low alphas, so they have access to decent looking women, but my female friends over the years have hovered in the 4 to 5 range. From what I’ve seen in my female friends, the 5s can get boyfriends, but they tend to be nerdier, but bland looking guys who seem to be able to invoke some feeling of protection and masculinity along with friendship and companionship. While the time between relationships is long, once a relationship is found, it tends to last for a while.

    most 40 year olds at bars on the weekends dressing like Brittney Spears, getting tit jobs, with too much tanning

    I fail to see what’s wrong with that? 🙂

    Fun Question: Are cougars looting the men who would date 4 & 5s?

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  97. maurice–

    Still, though gen x, weight in if you have current twenty something dating world.

    Chuck, Whiskey —

    Thanks. Not surprised that you’re a less dour about the scene than Whiskey. It’s not hard. Also I think you’re sitting in a different place.

    We talk about female numbers here all the time, but a male 7 is a higher or greater beta.

    or think of it this way. while a 5 female may not be able to pull a 10 male, she can probably pretty easily pull a 7 male whereas it is much more difficult for a 5 male to pull a 7 female and pretty much impossible for him to pull a 10 (btw these scores include a man’s Game in the equation).

    Well yeah, but in many ways that’s definition, according to Roissy’s way of doing male alpha/beta ratings. That is he rates a male according to the highest level of female he can get outside of a blue moon. A male 7 (greater beta) can get a female 7 once in awhile. If he could get a female 8 except by an act of God he’d be thereby a lesser alpha. Similarly a male 6, middling beta, definitionally can’t do better than that except maybe once or twice in a lifetime and she was very drunk. See his beta male chart.

    You all seem to be saying that male 7’s and 6’s can’t actually bang their pay grade except when engaged to be married. Is that true? I think you’re contracting the grand master. 😉 Though it is consistent with the doctrine of Roissy reflected on that chart and in his narratives that male 7’s and 6’s aren’t getting much casual sex so it’s gonna be rare that they get their lateral.

    My fault but the big hole in what we’ve been talking about are the 6’s. We all know that alphas will do 7’s. Roissy says only lesser alphas will (well he does in his chart but not in his other narratives). I’m here to say they will do 7’s quite happily too, even though sometimes getting 9’s and 8’s with frequency. So that leaves only the male lesser alphas (8’s) going for the 6’s with any regularity.

    I don’t know, in my experience 6’s (cutes, or pretty, sort of’s) can often be pretty high volume slutty, and fill up their dance card with higher betas (7s) too. (Often stringing them along and sort of cheating on them, maybe without ACTUALLY promising not to but it was expected by him and so on.) Or higher betas are their drunk fucks, and so on. This is not only ancient experience but not so much the last five years either.

    Middling betas 6’s maybe can’t get 6’s except at marriage time if they’re lucky. That seems consistent with what you two are saying and what Roissy says and jibes with my experience of a now somewhat older age group. Instead they have to reach down to 5’s and even 4’s. And have 5 or fewer lifetime partners typically, if R’s chart is to be believed for the typical middling (6) beta. Ok, in our sex saturated culture, I can see the big frustration there.

    I’d still think that if 20 something middling betas would 1) open up to cougars and 2) open up to non fat 4’s, they could get laid a whole lot more often, while they’re working on snagging a 6 or more likely 5 girlfriend.

    I don’t know. I groping here. Any additional feedback helpful.

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  98. Anonymous

    Women are fatter than in the past, but so are men, so that seems mostly a wash as far as looks are concerned.

    Not quite a wash. Weight has far greater negative effect on a woman’s looks than man’s. Looking “bulky” or “big boned” does not do the same damage to a man as a woman.

    Obviously at the extremes it is very negative but a man can move further out and get away with it.

    Regarding sexual socialism:
    The “income” skew is far more severe. Many men are on zero “income”, and there is no welfare, unemployment assistance, or food banks for the sex starved.

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  99. If I was a 20 something middle or higher beta male, something of a leap of imagination, I know what I’d be doing:

    1) studying game as one of my most important tasks, not some little hobby; and meanwhile, amidst practicing on 5’s and 6’s to begin with, or 6’s and 7’s after a bit;

    2) banging cougars with a view to finding one who wanted a steady fuck/lover, while allowing me to still “look not very effectively and with high standards for my forevaeva partner” (practicing game), while she, if needs be, gets to be a cougar slut too. (Though one that doesn’t want that with a lover but isn’t too psycho either would be better.)

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  100. Doug,
    I am in full agreement w/your “Young Man’s Program”, and even Mystery speaks to that in the beginning of his book, that learning Game is a whole heck of a lot more important than learning *most* of the stuff in college. The proof of that pudding is easily seen when one takes a look at the doctors, investment bankers, etc et al, lining up to pay BIG MONEY to Mystery etc to learn this stuff. Again, in case Dave Alex is reading along, MONEY DOESN’T HELP YOU IN THE GAME OF LOVE. Indeed, Money can work *against you* if you’re not saavy.

    And we all know Dave Alex ain’t.

    Anyway Doug, yea, getting plenty of one on one practice w/a well-adjusted Cougar/MILF type is just what a youngbuck needs-she gets a young stud, and he gets an experienced Woman on whom to practice his bedroom skills. She’ll be eager to teach him how to fuck, and he’ll give her sexual attention. So, as long as their is a clear understanding of what the relationship is all about, it can work out very nicely, it’s something I’ve done myself, and I suspect many guys here have done as well.

    O

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  101. girls did good to him

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  102. on June 5, 2009 at 7:25 pm Marcus Aureliette

    There are almost NO TV shows that are mostly male. NONE on the broadcast networks.

    LOST. It began its run with a male majority, and has been killing off more women than men as it has progressed. (Ensemble speaking characters, not extras.)

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  103. Again, in case Dave Alex is reading along, MONEY DOESN’T HELP YOU IN THE GAME OF LOVE.

    If you’re a beta male with a decent job, treat all women as golddiggers. It’s the only reason they’re bothering.

    getting plenty of one on one practice w/a well-adjusted Cougar/MILF type is just what a youngbuck needs-she gets a young stud

    Fun Question: If we get rid of feminism, where will find cougars to use for sex?

    there is no welfare, unemployment assistance, or food banks for the sex starved

    I believe it’s called porn.

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  104. Dave Alex,
    Please take it from one who actually knows what a real live pussy looks, feels and smells like: YOU DON’T NEED MONEY TO PICKUP WOMEN. And if you rely on it to do so, you deserve to be taken for all you got.

    Second point-there have *always* been Cougars around, check your literature. If you had gotten off your miserable ass and got Greene’s The Art of Seduction, you would have never said such a ridiculously dumbassed thing.

    Oh, and you never answered: how come you’re always talking about high IQ Women when you know you can’t attract any? Wassup with dat?

    O

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  105. on June 5, 2009 at 8:27 pm Marcus Aureliette

    If you’re a beta male with a decent job, treat all women as golddiggers. It’s the only reason they’re bothering.

    You’re already getting heaps of advice more useful than I could offer, but I have to ask: you do know this isn’t true, don’t you?

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  106. Whiskey
    despite all your assertions to the contrary, there is no huge poulation of sexual losers amongst men. Most men lose their virginity in high school, most men have sex throughout their twenties, and don’t want to settle down, and most men eventually will marry, usually someone from their social class. So who are these big losers? Are some guys not having as much sex with as many beautiful women as they would like? Yes, but when has that not been the case? Are there truly some guys who could not get any woman at all, no matter how hard they tried? Probably, but those guys comprise an extremely tiny portion of the male population. Now, are there guys who can’t get the kind of women they feel somehow “entitled” to? Well of course, but the remedy is to lower your standards, and get over yourself, the same advice to women who can’t find and keep the prince of their dreams.

    You constantly talk about how bad unconstrained female sexual choice is, but male sexual choice doesn’t seem to be much better. Look at the dimwits that most of the barfly girls tend to be. Yet see all the strategizing that most men attempt in trying to pick them up for a night of fun. For both sexes the ancient evolutionary programming works against the long term interests of the species.

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  107. @MarcusAureliette- I happen to be a huge “Lost” fan, and I think that show skews both ways. The sci-fi element is male, but frankly it’s pretty light and attenuated by the love triangles, hot characters, atmosphere of spooky mystery (in the early seasons) and mysticism, all of which mainly appeal to women. It is one of the best and most unusual shows around though.

    further : I’d say the revised “Battlestar Galactica” was a guy show, with some elements that appeal to women. Huge hit, in its space. Most of the Sci-Fi channel, in fact, is for men. X-Files was in its day.

    @whiskey – I’m gonna call BS on you, sorry. for whatever reason, you are making a blanket assertion that just doesn’t stand up. “Entourage”, “Top Gear”, others, are male centered. Even on reality TV: “Deadliest Catch”, “Ice Road Truckers”, “Cops” and its spinoffs (skew both ways, though) are there among the female and gay crap. Animated stuff like “Family Guy”, “King of the Hill”, etc. – gender neutral but lots of appeal to young males. Premium TV: “Deadwood”, “Breaking Bad”, “Mad Men”. (ok, the latter has female appeal…)

    Movies: All the comic book movies of the last ten years. Any summer action blockbuster. Those stupid Jason Statham movies. Any pulp fiction knockoff like “Lucky Number Slevin”, “Smokin’ Aces”, “Shoot ’em Up”. Any Tarantino movie, for that matter. The Judd Apatow bromance movies I mentioned above – they are metastasizing. (See: this weekend’s inevitably huge hit, “The Hangover”.) thinking guy movies like “Master and Commander”. (ok, that was BS – that movie is in a class by itself and has no imitators, but it’s one of my favorites, so I have the right to sneak it in…)

    anyway, whiskey, how about an answer to that that goes beyond “they’re all gay and female?” i say the market rules and the studios and suits will find any proven formula that appeals to a well-known niche, including males – half the population.

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  108. Obsidian is right as always.

    The majority of men just don’t get ‘anything’.

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  109. on June 5, 2009 at 9:00 pm David on ipod

    Re: Obsidian

    I am willing to bet $100 on that my lack of money will scare off women. As for high IQ women, they are the only women worth dealing with in terms of LTR and marriage. Otherwise it is best to avoid low IQ women lest they produce your low IQ offspring.

    Re: Marcus Aureliette

    I will stand by my theory that women are golddiggers. Trust me, if I see a woman with a beta male with redeeming qualities, the only reason that makes sense is her desire to secure some of his income stream.

    As an example, if I was making $50,000, the only reason a girl would even entertain the idea of having sex with me in the long term is that she wants a portion of my income stream. I can’t see any other any other reason for her to want me.

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  110. doug1:

    What is happening sexually among twenty something girls these days, who fall into the 4’s and 5’s category? Yes I realize too many of them are fat or obese but not all of them.

    I think there just aren’t enough 5’s and 4’s and lower to go around. When I do get laid, currently once every two years or more, that is mostly the category girls I will get, but the competition is just overwhelming even at that level. In my experience, these girls are only marginally easier than hotter girls.

    Whiskey seems to think men will prefer porn to obese women. Certainly not me, and I think I can back up not being alone: Look at the popularity of BBW porn. Just search and see for yourself. It does have a huge audience, including myself on occasion, as is attested by the number of downloads of torrents of even morbidly obese women from porn sites such as Pure TnA. Relative to other categories such as teen it is less popular but not hugely so. Now porn is just stopgap and we would much rather have the fat girls themselves, but instead we have to settle for BBW porn most of the time. There is no way there can be lots of easily available obese girls out there when the market for stopgap BBW porn is insatiable.

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  111. Maurice —

    You are living in denial.

    Reality TV is almost exclusively female. That’s all the competition shows, all the bridezilla shows, all the Home and Gay Television shows, all the makeover shows, all the fat folks shows, all the MTV stuff (aimed at teen girls).

    Battlestar Galactica is a female-skewing show. It’s fan-base is mostly female, just like Twilight. Just check out the section in Television without Pity devoted to it. It’s why it had hot chicks kicking ass, the “hero” was a traitor, and all that moral relativism stuff which women love.

    Deadwood, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Shield, Rescue Me, Sopranos, pretty much all the Cable/Pay TV series are female oriented. It’s easy to check, watch/count the number of Valtrex, “for her feminine touch” sex aids ads, feminine hygiene ads, and so on.

    There are a FEW male oriented shows/cable channels. History, National Geographic (mostly), Discovery. Yes the comic book movies (the ones that make money) are male-skewing.

    But for every comic book movie there’s a zillion “27 Dresses” or “Miss Conception,” or “Bride Wars.” The Apatow movies and such are also the exception to female stuff like the Reader or Million Dollar Baby or the Changeling. Then there’s Sex and the City, the movie (sequel in the making).

    MOST of the movies made don’t make money. They lose it. The ones that do are the Summer male blockbusters. The female oriented chick flicks make small profits, the female Oscar bait like the Reader or House of Sand and Fog lose money. But they are made to keep actresses and feminized actors happy. It’s a female/gay ghetto. Look who runs things.

    First off, nearly all script readers are young women in their early twenties. Don’t appeal to them, your script is not read. By anyone. Then, many of the studio execs are women. Many of the male execs are gay.

    About 2/3rds of Hollywood movies don’t make money, any more than Detroit has made money for decades. Hollywood made money out of foreign sales (now severely threatened by piracy), DVD sales (same), and TV rentals (down, due to ad market meltdown).

    You don’t honestly think any of Nicole Kidman’s movies made money do you? Bewitched? Australia? Please.

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  112. Fear not, gentlemen. As I have said often, technology will correct the power advantage of feminists with swift effect. And how.

    See this. While the demo has to be G-rated, one can easily imagine how this could be a compelling augmentation to the porn industry.

    Wait until this technology gets better. While graphics also get more realistic. Viola : By 2020 : realistic VR Sex.

    All women 7 and below are going to be in big trouble. Those who claim that VR sex cannot substitute a ‘real’ woman have to also take into account that the VR sex is with a 10/10+, while the reality of the same man might be limited to 4s, 5s, and 6s.

    Sex with a real 10 > Sex with a VR 10 > Sex with a 7.

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  113. I am not impressed. What I need most is intimacy and I don’t see how VR sex can ever come close to a real woman even if she is not all that hot.

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  114. Arpagus,

    How the hell do you find 4s and 5s in Norway? I’ve even been to Trondheim, Tromso, Bodo, and Narvik (my father was an engineer with a company that made him make field trips for NATO in the 80s and 90s) and the women there look like the rest, slim, tall, blonde, pretty, non-smokers who walk everywhere. I suppose in Stavanger you might get some oil hogs because the workers have lots of cash to spend and spend so much time on the rigs away from women that an unattractive woman could collect hangers-on, and you might have a bit of Russo-Finnish influence in the hips of women in the far North, near Pechenga, but I can’t believe that a male 7 like you is hurting that bad in Bergen. Well, I can believe it, but that means that the land of Amundsen and Nansen (and believe me, they were players, as you probably know) is falling prey to the same crap as the Western world.

    I think you DO have an advantage in being an ethnically-homogeneous state. Here in America, men are encouraged to “date in” their ethnicities, which gives leverage to the Jewish/Mexican/Black/Armenian/Persian/Arab 3s, 4s, and 5s which is simply phenomenal. Men who want to “date out” have the problem that their “ethnic” look often must be paired with a big, muscular body to appeal to the American mainstream. (Which is why Asian-American males hate the dating world here.)

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  115. “So why they hell can’t today’s betas, like the “then” one’s pictured above, bang 4’s and 5’s?”

    Because they don’t want to.

    I’m not an Alpha yet. Game is helping me, but I have a long ways to go. That said, even at my most desperate moments, I would turn down 4’s and 5’s. They just didn’t interest me. I would rather do the porn thing.

    I have a friend who doesn’t understand this, and I know many guys are different. But sex with a 5 or below, or a fattie, just doesn’t cut it. A 6 I can do. An OK cougar I can do. But there’s a line.

    Part of that may come from the fact that I have a history of screwing things up with 7-9’s, so deep down inside I know I could do better than a 5. Historically girls in that range would flirt with me and even go out on a date or two, but my beta self would just destroy it. (When I look back…shit did I blow some good opportunities.) With game I’m getting further than before but I still have to master my internal state of mind, as well as the cold approach.

    Side note: all the advice and rules really do come down to state of mind. My greatest accomplishment, a 19 year old with an 8 face/9 body when I was 30, came because at the time I met her I had a great job and was working out like crazy and I felt on top of the world. I had barely heard of game at the time, but looking back I naturally gamed her. Or as I would have said back then, I teased her until she couldn’t stand it. At one point on the evening I met her I wasn’t sure if she was going to slap me or give me her phone number. That’s how hard I was teasing her and throwing her shit tests right back at her. One of the things I said to her had her step back and look at me, eyes wide and mouth open, as if to say “who the fuck do you think YOU are?”

    She didn’t just give me her number, she practically begged me to call, called me the next day, and ended up at my house that night. You can out perform Mystery if you just feel it and don’t give a shit what the girl thinks.

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  116. Tood: That technology’s available to both sexes. Model it on Doug and them men are further (not) screwed, too.

    I’m just sayin’.

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  117. “You can out perform Mystery if you just feel it and don’t give a shit what the girl thinks.”

    I wanted to add that guys who master game are in this zone almost all the time, and can consistently perform. That’s the big difference. I lose that state of mind and revert to beta habits all too often.

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  118. “despite all your assertions to the contrary, there is no huge poulation of sexual losers amongst men. Most men lose their virginity in high school, most men have sex throughout their twenties, and don’t want to settle down, and most men eventually will marry, usually someone from their social class.”

    LOL! What planet do you live on? Because in the world I grew up in, there were a ton of guys through high school, college, and my twenties who couldn’t touch pussy if their lives depended on it. I can think of 6 guys off the top of my head who will die virgins. Seriously. Obsidian at 5:27 pm nailed this one.

    Then again, I am in IT…

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  119. “Women’s sexual freedom to bang gazillion Alphas comes at a price. Which is most men not giving a damn about women.”

    Damn true. I would add not caring much about career or society to that. You can’t build skyscrapers and space shuttles when your betas are fat, lazy, and glued to video games. And why shouldn’t they be if they have no shot at a family, nothing to work or strive for?

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  120. on June 5, 2009 at 10:58 pm Marcus Aureliette

    da:
    As an example, if I was making $50,000, the only reason a girl would even entertain the idea of having sex with me in the long term is that she wants a portion of my income stream.

    What if she has her own, but still wants to have sex with you? Or don’t you see that as even remotely plausible?

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  121. I would turn down 4’s and 5’s.

    To me it depends on whether or not she’s fat. I wouldn’t ever be interested in a fatte. A slim 4 or 5, if she had a good/sexy personality, probably so.

    The problem in Amerca is that there are so few thin 4’s – 6’s. There are 6’s – 10’s, and below them, unfuckable fatties from sea to shining sea.

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  122. on June 5, 2009 at 11:24 pm Marcus Aureliette

    whiskey:
    Marcus — LOST is a mystery/sci-fi soap opera for women. Check out Kassy K’s stuff, or Television Without Pity. Just because it’s mostly men does not mean it’s not female oriented. It is, profoundly so.

    And just because women also watch it does not automatically make it “female oriented”. Certainly the fact that one female blogger writes about it is hardly compelling evidence.

    Don’t go moving the goalposts. Initially you said “mostly male”, and now you’re saying “male oriented”, which is a much less distinct concept.

    And who’s creating/producing/marketing this shows in the first place? Who owns & runs the majority of the networks? Women? Lifetime, sure, and the non-outdoors reality stuff, maybe, but everything else? Come on.

    You’re seeing reds under the bed, my son.

    picker, grinner, lover, sinner:
    Most of the Sci-Fi channel, in fact, is for men. X-Files was in its day.X-Files was in its day.

    While I concur with much of your post, I’d actually disagree with this. The X-Files, despite its dark mythology, essentially revolved around the relationship between Mulder & Scully. I’d guess that it had at least as many female fans as male, possibly more.

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  123. A man who is, say, a 8 on the ‘Alphaness’ scale, will fuck a 5 a few times, but will not want his family and close friends to think they were steady.

    At the same time, it is quite possible for a man who is married to an 8 to lose interest in having sex with her, even if it would be hard for him to get another 8.

    This could be because she nags him or puts him down. Or because she is not good in bed, etc. But it does happen. Men who are married to 8s sometimes find that they are the ones avoiding sex.

    The human mind is a complicated thing.

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  124. Aspargus wrote :

    What I need most is intimacy and I don’t see how VR sex can ever come close to a real woman even if she is not all that hot.

    Then why is Internet porn making some inroads into the amount of effort/expense men are willing to put into dating real women?

    A VR woman will not nag you, threaten to sue you in divorce court, or let her looks go. Sure, a real woman could have many positives, but how common is that, relative to the frequency of negatives?

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  125. David Alexander is the closest thing to a ‘Professional Loser’ as one may ever find. He WANTS to be a loser, and then persuade others that it is a good choice, even if he does not have to be one.

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  126. What if she has her own, but still wants to have sex with you? Or don’t you see that as even remotely plausible?

    “Does Not Compute”

    Even if she earned $50K herself, she’s still a golddigger because she may only view me in the context of an income stream to add to her own if she decides to have children. Women merely evaluate betas in terms of their ability to tolerate him versus his income and future income potential.

    And why shouldn’t they be if they have no shot at a family, nothing to work or strive for?

    Fame, attention, pride, and money for my niece and nephew. Plus, I’d like to buy $5000 cameras, $1500 lenses, and fly first class.

    To me it depends on whether or not she’s fat. I wouldn’t ever be interested in a fatte. A slim 4 or 5, if she had a good/sexy personality, probably so.

    I’d love to know how you or any other male could get an erection from such a girl. Given the number of better looking women in the population, it’s impossible to find such a woman attractive enough for sex, and when porn is added into the mix, no amount of Viagra can get a man aroused enough to have sex with these women.

    As for fat girls, I’ll note that there are two types. There are the pretty fat girls who would probably rank well as skinny women, and those who if skinny would be a 4 or 5. Obviously, the former group is sometimes attractive to me* (especially with nails and other fetish needs), while the latter group is easily written off regardless of their weight. At least when they’re fat, they give better hugs…

    *admittedly these are girls around Size 10 to 14…

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  127. Obsidian is right as always.

    The majority of men just don’t get ‘anything’.

    Well, yes and no.

    Traditionally, most men did get married. They probably had a lot of sex in the first few years of marriage, and then it tailed off. However, it is possible that the man didn’t want to have sex with his now fat, aged wife.

    I can tell you that in India, of all the 500+ adults I or my parents know, about 95% of people got married (just about everyone who was not handicapped, or deformed), and about 85-90% of those had at least 1 kid. That is a very marriage-structured culture, however. The future could drift more towards Western norms.

    So while most men are not having good sex at any given time, most men do have a period of frequent sex (good or otherwise) at some period in their lives.

    A man’s sex drive drops with age, actually, so not getting laid after 60 is more tolerable than at 20.

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  128. on June 5, 2009 at 11:43 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Whiskey:

    For what it’s worth, Forbes named Mrs. Urban the most overpaid actor or actress in Hollywood for 2008, claiming that her pictures only earned $1 for every $1 she was paid, as opposed to an earlier ratio of 8:1. I’d have to dig further than I care to in order to update this, but it appears that this century has not been particularly kind to her work from a financial standpoint, what with Happy Feet perhaps being her last big success.

    It’s a pity; she used to be really attractive, and I liked The Others.

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  129. @whiskey – OK, I’ll meet you halfway. The apparatus of the movie business has an agenda and point of view that they push. the pro-gay stuff is particularly aggressive: remember “Normal, Ohio” ? But it sank like a stone. And in the end, the suits are like politicians who pander to their constitutents while simultaneously fearing them: the great unwashed are responsible for their fat salaries and positions of decision-making power, so they try desperately to guess what the next thing will be while repeating tired formulas. box-office and Nielsen ratings trump everything in the end, even the opinions of the script girls and queer execs. so they make as much of their agenda-pushing and female-skewing stuff as they can get away with, but must in the end cater to existing niches, which are pretty well understood demographically.

    so you’re right that the “27 Dresses”es of the world outnumber the Tarantino and action stuff, for that reason. but that still leaves a pretty hefty niche of male-oriented fare. a few other great guy flicks of recent years: 28 days, children of men (awesome), sin city (awesome) …

    however:
    Battlestar Galactica = Twilight? Uh, no. Not in any way. That’s just an extremely stupid thing to assert. There are soap-opera elements to any show with an ensemble mixed cast, but that doesn’t mean the show is primarily about that. Twilight has the same demo as the Jonas Brothers. Come on.

    Deadwood/Shield/Sopranos are chick shows? No. they are designed to appeal to both genders, primarily men in those cases, and, tampax ads notwithstanding, were enjoyed by millions of men. (well, maybe not “millions” in the case of deadwood or breaking bad… the latter is an extremely grim show. great though.) it’s about maximizing an audience.

    i agree with you about reality TV, was just making the point that there a handful of guy shows in the mix. i did forget to throw in those channels you mentioned.

    true about the business model of Hollywood being fucked. the next generation of Internet moguls is not going to be able to afford the mansions in Brentwood or Bel Air. a way of life out there is destined to disappear.

    Nicole Kidman? That’s her cosmic curse for agreeing to be Tom Cruise’s beard back in the day. She had her run, now she’s box-office poison. also, getting too old for the sexy roles, not old enough for the matronly ones. that part at least is standard for aging starlets.

    @marcus- OK, agree about the mulder-scully thing, but the alien invastion/syndicate consipracy stuff skewed both ways, as did the supernatural themes.

    let us not forget “South Park”…

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  130. *Sigh*

    Anon Lady,
    I know this is a VERY difficult concept for Women to get their heads around, because, for like the umpteenth time, the vast majority of Women-roughly 80% or so-can get laid pretty much on demand. All they need do is put the word out and watch the line form to the left. The trick for Women ain’t gettin’ dick, but gettin’ THE RIGHT DICK. So it makes perfect sense that you simply cannot get your head around the FACT that the majority of guys-about 60%-simply do not get laid, or if they do its very infrequently.

    I was reading a study over at GNXP earlier, and they were talking about IQ and number of sex partners; they found that guys w/an IQ over 130 or 70 and below were the ones LEAST LIKELY to get laid; guys who’s IQs were say, above 80 to about 110 or so, got laid a lot more often.

    This correlates with what we already know, at least on the higher end of IQ-that Women don’t dig guys who are too smart. Why? Because high IQ also correlates w/being socially inept, often to the point of being antisocial. And this is something that is seen a lot more among males than females with high IQs.

    They then looked at colleges, and lo and behold, they found that guys w/IQs exceeding 130 and attending places like Harvard, MIT, etc, GOT LAID A LOT LESS than guys w/lower IQs going to state schools, or guys who didn’t go to college at all.

    Again, all of this correlates to the PUA seminars-Anon Lady, I defy you to go to one of em and report back the results. There you will find mostly White and Asian guys from the IT, Banking and hardcore Medical fields, shelling out big bucks so they learn how to get pussy. It is incredibly easy for a Man to go YEARS w/o getting laid. Case in point: Dave Alex.

    Men MUST put effort in if they want to get laid, and this is why Players always say, never, ever, listen to what Women have to say in this area. Why? Because for most Women, they simply don’t know what its like not to have sexual options. From the time they get their first period till about 35 or so, the average Woman is inundated with sexual favors and opportunities; a particularly hot babe can easily get *dozens* of guys coming at her EVERY DAY. The overwhelming vast majority of Men will NEVER experience Women coming at him like that. Never.

    Since we’re talking about movies, look at all of the “frat boy” flicks that have and continue to come out-Beta House, Animal House, Porkies, American Pie, etc et al-what are these movies about? Yup you guessed it, guys in their late teens and early to mid 20s, trying desperately to get laid. Its something that damn near every male can relate to, which explains these movies’ success (they keep making them, that’s one indicator they’re successful financially). For guys, those years ARE NOT fun, often they are acutely painful, because it becomes brutally clear that only a handful of guys are getting laid, usually the “big Man on campus” type jocks, or, failing that the pretty boys. Glee Club/Chess Club/Debating Club guys need not apply. The only other kinds of guys who got laid were the Rebel With A Cause, James Dean types.

    So, yea, when I tell you that most guys you see walking around most likely didn’t get laid 12 times in the last year, you can take that to the bank and count it.

    I have a very good friend who did HIV prevention work here in Philly. Some years back, 2004 or so, he showed me a study of Black Philly’s HIV and STD infection rates. Check this out: there were TWICE as many Women infected, as Men.

    Think about that for a second. That can only mean one thing:

    A lot of Women were having sex w/the same guy.

    Are we learning yet?

    Oh, and as for Dave Alex’s silly ass, its no wonder he ain’t won nobody over w/his dumbassery. And his so-called “bet” is bogus because with his attitude, Women wouldn’t give him any ass if he was waving a fist full of Benjamins. But a guy w/the right attitude can most definitely get laid, and won’t cost him anything or at best, very little. Style’s done it. Mystery’s done it. Roissy’s done it. I’ve done it.

    Dave Alex, hasn’t done it. And at the rate he’s going, his jacking off hand will fall off before he does it.

    Any questions?

    The Obsidian

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  131. Can anyone weigh in on HBO’s show Oz? I loved that show, but I think it was targeted at men if I’m not mistaken. I watched it on DVD, so no female product placement – yay!

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  132. Pretty much MOST of cable TV is aimed at women. While I don’t have the link and have to go to bed, out here in the West Coast, both Ed Driscoll and Instapundit had links back in 2005-2006 at least on how men had basically fled TV.

    Men watch sports, History/Discovery/Nat Geo, and that’s about it, excepting maybe Spike and the hunting/fishing/Country channels.

    Men are 80% … 80% of sitcom audiences. They are about 75% of drama audiences, and that includes the CSI-en, and so on. All those soap opera arrangements were there for a reason. Even a show like “the Unit” had to have the stupid Wife plots (including “hot” adultery) to make female viewers happy.

    Men left TV around the late 1980’s and by the 1990’s it was almost complete. They’ve never come back. Indeed the “hybrid” efforts to appeal to both men and women have mostly failed or gotten only min pickup orders (“Dollhouse” and “Chuck” respectively) while most were cancelled: “My Own Worst Enemy,” “Life,” “Eleventh Hour,” “Without A Trace,” etc. [The “hybrids” had male-oriented action with smart/tough female ass-kickers and “smart” male leads.]

    There is no show possible like the 1980’s: A-Team, Hunter, Miami Vice, or the Equalizer, possible today, save for a few small niche shows like Burn Notice on USA (the home of the only male skewing cable network). CBS, ABC, VERY much NBC (dumped all their male shows for Medium which then CBS snatched up for a full order, “Life” got better ratings than Medium), and of course CW (teen girl network) are all home to women dominated shows and broadcasts. Only Fox has some male-skewing shows like the Simpsons and American Dad, but even House’s main audience is women.

    HBO is about 75% female. Yes, even the Sopranos drew a mostly female audience, same with Battlestar Galactica, the Shield, and Rescue Me.

    You can tell if a show is male oriented or not by these simple rules:

    1. Guy is a hero.
    2. Guy has a problem to solve, not angsty feelings to get over (he’s a prime mover, not a feminized victim with testosterone).
    3. Guy does stuff, defeats the villain, gets the girl (mostly).

    A-Team, Greatest American Hero, Miami Vice, Equalizer, Hunter, all were classic male-oriented shows. None could be made today, especially the biggest hit the A-Team. Think about THAT: THE biggest hit of the 1980’s cannot be remade twenty odd years later. Because there is no male audience in TV anymore.

    As for Hollywood, someone has a severe misunderstanding of what the business is about. It’s not about money. It’s about stars/creators. Studios lose money, mostly, year in and year out. They are part of mega corps, Sony or GE or Disney or Time-Warner or News Corp.

    Being a winner at a movie studio means having good relationships with clueless stars and celebrities, almost none of whom bring in money, because people job hop and the importance is bringing in Tom Cruise or John Travolta for the next “Tom Cruise, Boy Nazi” or Battlefield Earth monstrosity each egomaniac wants to make. It’s never about money, no can even count who makes what (Hollywoods cheating accountancy) past stuff still making money (like Wizard of Oz) propels studios on for decades like GM.

    That’s why you get whiny emo-boys as leads, clueless bimbos like Megan Fox (Angelina Jolie Jr.) and Jolie herself, a skinny, skanky, aging bimbo with tons of tats and brats, who is about as attractive as a trip to the free clinic and just about as sexy. It’s not making money, it’s getting Tabloid stars who get you the next Job. “Adventures of Furious D” blog has the inside scoop on that. Execs never get compensated on making money, they have no incentive to do anything but scope their next job by flattering tabloid celebrities like Jolie and Kidman.

    For TV, it’s arrangements with writer-producers and a few actors. For example, despite all evidence to the contrary, Fox is convinced (because a Whedon crony runs the Network) that Joss Whedon is a star writer-creator and that Eliza Dushku is a star (instead of a minor TV actress). [Dushku unlike Gellar or Trachtenberg, has not aged well, neither has Hannigan.] NBC exec Ben Silverman proudly proclaims his goal is not to ever be #1, but the cheapest network. He’s still there, year after year (despite Deadlinehollywooddaily.com alleging credibly he’s a major cokehead and prima-donna).

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  133. aeofe — Oz was on HBO, so no ads. HBO is however a mostly female network. Almost everything on TV not explicitly male (like ESPN) is female-oriented.

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  134. “Fame, attention, pride, and money for my niece and nephew.”

    Easy to say, but the simple reality is that this won’t drive most betas to put in 70 hour work weeks to the benefit of society. Much less march into war.

    “Plus, I’d like to buy $5000 cameras, $1500 lenses, and fly first class.”

    Take my advice on this: a $1,500 camera will give you 97% of the image quality of a $5,000 camera. Skill and imagination, or lack thereof, will completely eclipse that last 3%. Heck, a $150 camera in the hands of someone with skill and imagination will eclipse a $5,000 camera in the hands of someone without. Buy a decent, not excessive, body, then take the rest of the money and invest in glass and trips to places you want to photograph.

    As for lenses, it all depends on what you’re looking to shoot. I’ve spent as much as $1,200 for one prime, but I had two very specific purposes in mind. For most of what anyone might want to shoot, 2-3 $500-$600 quality zooms will give you the range and optical quality you need to do whatever you want, including compete with the guys who have too much money and think $10-$20k dropped on equipment makes their boring vacation snapshots special.

    Out shooting you can always tell the real photographers who care about their work from the losers with too much credit card debt and nothing worthwhile to show for it.

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  135. For evidence of TV’s female domination, I cite this link here:

    http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom
    /pr/0,20812,1844761,00.html [paste together to get em to work]

    And this link here:

    tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings
    /top-shows-by-network/cw-tv-ratings/page/5

    Note Gossip Girl got say, 3.72 million viewers, and was according to the first link (Week ending Sep 21), #4 rated show that timeslot, for women 18-34, with 4.3% of all viewers watching TV that timeslot watching, 9th that slot.

    CW finished third that week for women 18-34, just 0.1 behind NBC (likely ABC and CBS were #1 and two).

    I don’t how much more I gotta say Water is Wet. TV is a female/gay ghetto, and movies are not that much different.

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  136. whiskey

    During WWII, there was almost NO guy who was not either over 40, or obviously 4f, who was not in uniform fighting overseas.

    Not so. My paternal grandfather tried to enlist, but was talked out of it because he worked in a vital war industry (shipbuilding and repair). He was in his early 30s at the time the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. His younger brother did serve as a Seabee, and died in the Philippines. My maternal grandfather enlisted at about age 20 and was a belly-gunner on a B-17 — he’s lucky he survived (so am I, I suppose).

    In fact, most of the men of that age that I have known did not see combat, even if they were in the armed forces.

    I think your statement would apply to Russia or Germany, but not the US.

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  137. I said:“there is no welfare, unemployment assistance, or food banks for the sex starved”

    David Alexander replied: “I believe it’s called porn.”

    Like welfare it is survival, not living. Most of us want to live.

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  138. David on ipod (David Alexander) whined:

    I am willing to bet $100 on that my lack of money will scare off women.

    No David, your complete lack of drive, vision, mission, or any sense of masculine ambition is what scares women off.

    Here is a suggestion:
    You have decided against sexual relations with any real women. Take your beliefs to the next level. Live the ascetic life. Give up the porn.

    Decide that you are going to be truly celibate. Direct that energy into other areas of your life. Although an unusual choice, a man that decides to live a celibate life is still a man. He has made a conscious choice about one are of his life and lives it.

    Use yoga, meditation, or prayer and control this part of your life. I reckon you will end up with more hug-buddy women by embracing this life. A woman will see you very differently if you explain your conscious choice rather then admit to being a loser who cannot (refuses to believe he can) get girl and jacks off to porn. The first is a real, if unconventional, man. The second is, an all to conventional, half-man half boy.

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  139. Bhetti

    Tood: That technology’s available to both sexes. Model it on Doug and them men are further (not) screwed, too.

    For women it might be a device like the SQUID from Strange Days that feeds directly into her emotional center.

    Think Harlequin amped up to the max. I’d buy shares in that company.

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  140. Why is David Alexander sometimes David on ipod?

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  141. On Settling downwards:

    I see at lot of advice for men to target less attractive women. I think a better idea would be to try for those that seem receptive. Understanding those signals is an important part of game.

    It is not a given that an attractive woman will be disinterested in a guy. It is not a given that an unattractive woman will be desperate enough to show interest in the same average guy.

    The PUA dogma is not incorrect, it just does not cover the full complexity of the reasons people become attracted. You may not be the hottest most alpha guy, but you could be just what she is looking for right now. Likewise you could lack something that the less attractive woman needs.

    On guys not getting laid:
    On average we are all average. In terms of attractiveness most men and women will be average. There should be as many average women to match average men. In theory everyone should be able to pair off with someone of equal attractiveness. However there are some things that work against men:

    Women are choosier (eggs versus sperm, etc.).

    While the range of acceptable physical attractiveness is about the same for both sexes a man needs much higher confidence (game, alphaness, etc.). So while the average woman has the (average) looks and (average) confidence needed, the average man is at the lower limit of acceptable confidence. This means that men with below average confidence (remember that is half of all men) will be in trouble.

    Men’s (especially in their 20s) sex drive probably exceeds women’s. That is men’s demand is higher then women’s supply (“putting out”).

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  142. on June 6, 2009 at 10:00 am formerlyomegabeta

    @Default User

    Yes, and Clooney, like Cary Grant is rumored to be gay.

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  143. One honorable thing with regards to our crippled veterans that came out of the Iraqi invasion is the fact that Saddam Hussein was hanged.

    Now, mind you, I am in no way of the point-of-view that “he was evil, deposing him was a necessary thing and the whole reason for the invasion.”

    Not at all. Barring cases of extreme individual abuse (Qusay’s perversions, the torture of athletes), pre-invasion Iraq was a pretty good place for an Arab to live in. Orderly, middle class, relatively secular and prosperous. In any case, none of US Government, Inc.’s business.

    No, the reason that Hussein’s hanging was a good thing is that some guys with blown-off legs and colons, disfigured faces, quadruplegic in a VA hospital, will NEVER experience the insult of having to see an American president chumming it up with the enemy’s leader five years down the road. The way the Somali warlord was chauffered around by Clinton after all those Black Hawk Americans gave their lives.

    To make good on the soldiers’ sacrifices, the leader of the defeated party must alway be executed, regardless of his criminality or lack thereof. Noblesse Oblige.

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  144. peacocking = looking like a douche bag because you CAN, its a Zahavian signal. if you can walk out knowing everyone wants to kick your ass (and might try) for looking ridiculous, and still doing it, that takes a lot of balls douche bag or not. Its only purpose is to show that you can take on extra social pressure and scrutiny. In a way I’m guessing that Roissy is pointing out that the ‘arms race’ is even more extreme now than before because of the landscape change in Modern society. Before you could just be a man, now its be a man + even more signaling.

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  145. Easy to say, but the simple reality is that this won’t drive most betas to put in 70 hour work weeks to the benefit of society. Much less march into war.

    70 hour weeks for a wife who doesn’t love me and kids who will abandon me because daddy didn’t buy a pony or ATV seems rather silly too, especially for a salaried position. The blue collar guys and civil servants at least get time and a half for their troubles…

    Take my advice on this: a $1,500 camera will give you 97% of the image quality of a $5,000 camera. Skill and imagination, or lack thereof, will completely eclipse that last 3%.

    Since I lack skill and imagination, I will need that last 3% to smite the railfans who have $1,500 DSLRs, but better skills and imagination than me.

    As for lenses, it all depends on what you’re looking to shoot.

    If given the choice, as a Nikon user, I’d aim for a Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 VR as a core with primes at 35mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.4 for low light subway stations or outdoor stations at night, and something long with a good tripod for when I need that extra reach.

    Of course for a prole railfan, a D50 with Tamron 17-50 f/2.8, Nikon 50 f/1.8, 28-105 f/3.5.-4.5, and 55-200 VR isn’t too bad as a set up. Of course, at this point I’d like nicer glass and a D300, but as you said, I’d rather go places than have glass that sits unused.

    No David, your complete lack of drive, vision, mission, or any sense of masculine ambition is what scares women off.

    So in other words, I’m not delusional about my own abilities and skills, and I am realistic about my uselessness? If women want a delusional man to prop up their little dream world built on pretty lies, then maybe they are better off with another man.

    Like welfare it is survival, not living. Most of us want to live.

    It’s really a question of opportunity costs. Is it worth one’s time and energy to go out and learn game and chase women, or is it simply more productive to use pornography as a substitute.

    You have decided against sexual relations with any real women. Take your beliefs to the next level. Live the ascetic life. Give up the porn.

    I’m not willing to do that because I use porn and masturbation as an outlet for sexuality, stress relief, and an easy fun way to fall asleep quickly. The whole purpose of eschewing women is to get a substitute orgasm without dealing with a woman to supply it.

    A woman will see you very differently if you explain your conscious choice rather then admit to being a loser

    Or I could simply lie to her about the entire thing. My female friends and family members know about my love of nails, but they certainly don’t know that I’ve written off women, or that I think any woman chasing a beta is a golddigger. They just know that I’m quiet and that I keep to myself and that I don’t bother anybody in the real world.

    (refuses to believe he can)

    Dirty looks and giggles can do nothing but let a man know that he’s unwanted.

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  146. on June 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm Marcus Aureliette

    da:
    Even if she earned $50K herself, she’s still a golddigger because she may only view me in the context of an income stream to add to her own if she decides to have children. Women merely evaluate betas in terms of their ability to tolerate him versus his income and future income potential.

    So basically you’re just sticking your fingers in your ears and going “Lalalalalala, I can’t hear you!” You’re trying to preemptively blame all women for the behaviour of some, so you’re determined to view half the population through piss-colored glasses and not allow for any variation whatsoever. I’ve always thought the guys on here tended to be a bit harsh with you, but I’m beginning to see the necessity of it.

    default:
    No David, your complete lack of drive, vision, mission, or any sense of masculine ambition is what scares women off.

    Not to mention what appears to be his deep-seated loathing of us, masquerading as contented friendship. Who wants to even be friends with someone who’s only ever going to assume the worst about them? Never mind sleeping with them….

    maurice:
    OK, agree about the mulder-scully thing, but the alien invastion/syndicate consipracy stuff skewed both ways, as did the supernatural themes.

    I should probably qualify what I said: I don’t think The X-Files creators were aiming at women at all, initially. I think the Mulder-Scully thing was a result of the chemistry between the actors (who apparently didn’t get along all that well), and was a bit of serendipity for Chris Carter & Co.

    Also, the hideous love polygon baloney is the absolute worst facet of LOST. I wish to God they’d kill off Kate and let the competent characters get on with actually figuring out what’s going on!

    As far as the entertainment industry being woman-controlled, it comes across as conspiracy theory, a la Frohike. If women, as so often asserted on this blog, largely lack the capacity to create, build, or innovate, then how is it that they’ve managed to wrestle away the control of the entertainment industry — an industry owned and operated by men?

    Whiskey’s binary view of entertainment is leaving out the single most important aspect of entertainment: making as much money as possible. It behooves the media creators to make every TV show & movie appeal to as many people as possible, and given that women are only half the population, TPTB would be shooting themselves in the foot to discount the entire demographic of men. Would that not be supremely illogical, especially when the more logical sex is largely running the show? Greed is the ideology that trumps all the others.

    I suspect there is also a much greater amount of overlap in what men and women find entertaining than is dreamt of in Whiskey’s philosophy.

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  147. Liz,
    You hav just cracked the David Alexander code, and trust me, you are not alone; all his “nondate” so-called friends have peeped his card too.

    I’ve told Dave Alex this before, that the collision course he’s on is a one way ticket to lonliness, because Women will eventually catch on to his utter contempt gussied up in “platonic friend/no Woman could ever possibly love me/jacked up view of Woman as porn stars w/fake nails and high heels” drag. In many ways, Dave Alex is WORSE than the garden variety asshole gaming Player, because at least in the latter case you know exactly where such guys are coming from…and has anyone noticed, who actually gets luckier more often than not-Mr. Asshole Game, or Dave Alex?

    To ask the question is to answer it.

    Dave Alex has had more real opportunities to turn his life around, and he simply refuses to do so. He refuses to do so, because he is a Coward. This is why he keeps on w/the Beta/Goldigger line, the jacking off to Porn line, the nondate bullshit, and now his reasons why he’s gotta spend money he don’t even have on camera equipment, not to satisify himself like he claims, but to show of to people who in all likelihood don’t give a shit about him anyway, that he can keep up w/the Joneses. Dave Alex is a sorry excuse for a Boy, let alone a Man, and Women, be they the hyped-up smuts he jacks off to, or the nondate friends who give him the reacharound hugs, know this.

    And eventually, they leave.

    Default’s celibacy suggestion was an excellent way to call Dave out, and something tells me that you and other Women would indeed respect and actually like him for taking such a path; but Dave aint Man enough to take any responsibility for his life, which is why he will not give up porn. How utterly pathetic.
    So, since Dave Alex put the A and W in Attention Whore, what I intend to do, because I can, is to ruthlessly shoot down every last single one of his bullshit ideas, theories, rationalizations and postulates. He thinks Whiskey pisses him off, he aint seen nothing yet.

    Dave, make it easy on yourself-something you know quite a bit about-and give it a rest.

    Or things will start to get really brutal for you.

    O

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  148. PA:

    No, the reason that Hussein’s hanging was a good thing is that some guys with blown-off legs and colons, disfigured faces, quadruplegic in a VA hospital, will NEVER experience the insult of having to see an American president chumming it up with the enemy’s leader five years down the road. […] To make good on the soldiers’ sacrifices, the leader of the defeated party must alway be executed, regardless of his criminality or lack thereof.

    This is one of your rare posts with which I completely disagree. You’re basically saying that every war must be total, or otherwise the soldiers will feel cheated when the peace agreement takes place. This exact logic led to WW1 turning into a total war with no chance of peaceful resolution, even when the situation turned into a stalemate. So instead of a peace agreement preserving the 1914 status quo, the war turned into a cataclysm that destroyed the European civilization almost completely, and set its tattered remnants onto the path towards final annihilation in the second round of the conflict twenty years later.

    Of course, it is savagely humiliating to be drafted to fight a war, and later watch your leaders shake hands with the enemy. But this only means that wars should be fought with mercenaries who voluntarily accept its terms — not mass conscription, which requires whipping the population into a frenzy of nationalist hatred that can easily make it impossible to stop the war at any reasonable point, as it happened in WW1. I certainly hope that the French revolutionaries who introduced levée en masse into European warfare are roasting in the deepest circle of hell for unleashing this doomsday device that eventually proved fatal for the whole civilization of Europe.

    By the way, I don’t think there is anything dishonorable about a soldier being called a mercenary. Many mercenary armies throughout history have displayed highest levels of loyalty, courage, and honor. Just remember the Swiss guards at Tuileries; Thorvaldsen’s Lion Monument erected in their honor is possibly the most moving and impressive war memorial ever. Of course, mercenary armies have attracted the lowest scum on many occasions in history, but overall, I’d say that the historical record of mass-conscripted armies is much worse.

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  149. Vlad, you make your point very well and I don’t disagree.

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  150. Astonishing discussion of baltimore and washington dc
    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013361.html

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  151. Not to mention what appears to be his deep-seated loathing of us, masquerading as contented friendship.

    Hating women for liking alphas and using beta males is actually rather foolish. Once you realize that women are inherently only attracted to alpha males, the only reasonable conclusion as to why they’re with a beta male can only be the “golddigger” excuse. It’s really no different than being addicted to drugs or alcohol, and I can’t hate somebody because of that. The only thing that I can do is to accept that this is the way things are, and that there isn’t much that I can do to magically make women love betas in the way that they love alphas. The only thing one can do is to get more people to recognize the situation, get beta males to stop wasting their time in fruitless relationships, and encourage men AND women to go secure their happiness.

    For a place that seems to be a destroying pretty lies, this is the one issue that the alpha males and PUAs don’t want to have anything to do with.

    Dave Alex is WORSE than the garden variety asshole gaming Player

    I fail to see how saying that women are not attracted beta males is some how magically evil and a sign of contempt for women when it’s merely the truth. Plus, given that I don’t engage these women in sexual acts, I fail to see how I’m worse than a player. It’s one thing to go play nice guy to get laid and turn into an evil bitch, but I’m not trying to have sex with these women at all, and the players aren’t necessarily bad guys because they’re engaging in consensual acts and giving women what they want. I am not competing against Mr. Asshole Game because there is no market for me.

    now his reasons why he’s gotta spend money he don’t even have on camera equipment, not to satisify himself like he claims

    The value isn’t in the cameras per se, but the results that having high end equipment can churn out if you can utilize its abilities. The ability to use a high end DSLR to get photos in difficult conditions can get some attention. Otherwise, if you’re churning out shitty photos with high end equipment, you may as well give up since it’s pointless, and people will make fun of you for bragging about your useless expensive paperweights.

    but Dave aint Man enough to take any responsibility for his life, which is why he will not give up porn

    I fail to see how giving up porn and masturbation will magically make my life better? So I go from boring and lonely with sexual release to boring and lonely with no sexual release? If anything, not jerking off will just build up sexual tension, and then I’d end up doing something stupid like having sex.

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  152. Oops – wrong thread!

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  153. on June 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm Comment_Whatever

    Marcus Aureliette wrote:

    Whiskey’s binary view of entertainment is leaving out the single most important aspect of entertainment: making as much money as possible.

    First, OPM is a big problem in Hollywood.

    I think people see things, first of all, from their own perspective. You work for a living, and so view losing 10,000 dollars or 100,000 dollars with appropriate horror. And I agree, from the same perspective.

    However, let’s look at the entirely different perspective of a production manager who is a personal millionaire and is spending OPM. That is, Other Peoples Money.

    Even if the 100,000 dollars he lost were his money, and it isn’t, would he care? Will it change how he lives in one single way? Effect his real, actual life at all? What if he only made 300,000 instead of 400,000 dollars? Not even a loss, even. How much would he care?

    And I’m fairly certain most of them want to impress women, and since they don’t care nearly as much about making money as ordinary people….

    and then they DO impress women, lots of women, and then their ego’s swell and swell. Look at Roissy, and increase the female attention 10 times, then add a few million dollars and THEN add his own personal servants whose job is to say “Yes, Lord Roissy, you are right!”

    The possible resulting size of his ego boggles the mind.

    See where all the crazy stars and megalomaniac producers come from? After a certain point of money is reached, they just don’t care very much about making money. I think that explains a lot of it. This is further worsened by other rich people who want to be “In The Business”.

    They supply an almost endless stream of OPM to fuel the egos of Hollywood.

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  154. Sebastian,
    I’ve read the link you posted, it leads to conservative Lawrence Auster’s website.

    Baltimore has long had the kinds of problems mentioned on his site and the articles he posts, but the difference was, they were only BLACK PEOPLE being killed and beaten; now that its White folks, out comes both the handwringing as well as the trope that “Black people are more racist” than White folks.

    Recently I had th chance to see an in-depth interview w/David Simon, one of the creative forces behind the HBO smash hit tv drama series, “The Wire”. Simon said that the inner cities were in effect prisons/wastelands where White folks in the main, were completely cool w/letting Black folk kill each other off, as long as no Whites were hurt or killed-and that alot of Black kids know this. They ran clips of the show which drove this point home powerfully.

    So, my question to you, or anyone else so inclined, is this: how many Black people were killed in Baltimore at the same timeframe that these “random” attacks on Whites took place?

    I don’t know for certain, but something tells me that quite a few more Black folk were shot, knifed, maimed and killed, but they’re not likely to show up on the Baltimore Sun…

    And damn sure won’t sure up on Lawrence Auster’s blog.

    Holla back

    O

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  155. how many Black people were killed in Baltimore at the same timeframe that these “random” attacks on Whites took place?

    The way I see human nature treat these things, white-on-white or black-on-black crime is “keeping things in the family.” Or alternately, “these peoples’ internal business.”

    But crime that crosses racial lines is war.

    That’s why the “handwringing.”

    And damn sure won’t sure up on Lawrence Auster’s blog.

    What SHOULD Auster advocate with regards to black-on-black crime? Black folk have their civil rights and their freedom. And what do many of them do with that freedom? Perhaps they should have it taken away. That would cut down on blck-on-black crime. Is that what you think Auster should advocate?

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  156. And it’s nice how you respond to animalistic attacks by black folks on white ones with whining about black-on-black crime.

    Which race is the fucked up one here?

    Answer: it’s the whites, who tolerate their leaders’ acquiescene in black violence.

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  157. PA,
    If Auster really gives a damn about *human life* being lost, he would have done what Simon did for years before he ever thought about making The Wire, and that’s ringing the alarm about HUMAN BEINGS being wasted on the mean streets of Baltimore and other inne cities.

    Like I said, and Simon said it in the indepth interview I mentioned earlier, White folks, many of them, don’t give a damn about Black life, so long as no Whites get killed or injured, they’re very cool w/stuff like Rwanda and Somalia going down.

    Again: if I were a betting Man I’d put up good money that far and away more Black folk in B’More have been injured, maimed and killed than Whites-and keep in mind please, I’m talking about fellow American citizens, here. I know many White folk don’t like the sound of that but that’s just too bad.

    O

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  158. Marcus — Entertainment is a female-gay ghetto because marketers around the mid 1980’s focused relentlessly on women, finding them the most important decision makers in purchases, both household and large (cars, houses, etc).

    This is why you have the doofus guy ads, because they must appeal to women. It’s why you don’t have the hot chicks fighting in mud beer commercials anymore (because women object).

    Mostly, men have opted out of TV. Out of most non-Action/Blockbuster movies too. It’s not a “conspiracy” but a natural outgrowth of:

    *Rising female income.
    *Marketers preference for “key decision makers”
    *Gays and females dominating Advertising, Marketing, and production/entertainment.

    Steve Sailer noted that Disney hired … a female market researcher known as the “kid whisperer” (she ran focus groups) to figure out how to create Disney series for boys, since boys don’t like a bunch of twinks and pop-tarts one year away from a sex tape release dancing around.

    Instead of say, oh I dunno, a GUY? [The woman’s advice was to have more stories about … GIRLS!]

    And making money is NOT the goal of entertainment executives. No can even count profit/loss on any project, no one is compensated against it, it’s all based on relationships and networking with Stars and writer/creators. Joss Whedon, Angelina Jolie, or the Wachowski brothers, regardless of how much these guys make. [Takeover artists have had this complaint for years regarding media conglomerates. One example: Time-Warner owns the DC comic line, has refused for decades to make them into a unified, integrated, TV-Movie franchise ala Paramounts Star Trek, because of corporate fiefdoms. Despite the example of Marvel’s success.]

    Aurieliete is the perfect example of a woman, swimming in the female sea, unable to see the water. TV and movie execs want FEMALE oriented stuff, even when it loses money. CW has lost money for years, going after the tiny demographic segment of teen girls (there’s not enough [White] teen girls due to birth dearth).

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  159. Baltimore has long had the kinds of problems mentioned on his site and the articles he posts, but the difference was, they were only BLACK PEOPLE being killed and beaten; now that its White folks, out comes both the handwringing as well as the trope that “Black people are more racist” than White folks.

    The big problem is that, pragmatically, many, perhaps most, black people seem to prefer acceptance of appalling black on black crime to having their “brothas” thrown in jail by a justice system run by whites. At least that is how most black people seem to vote.

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  160. on June 6, 2009 at 5:02 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I am on the fence on the topic of whether the willingness of black men to fuck obese women, both white and black, is a good for society or an ill.

    One one hand, black men can prolifically fuck obese women who would rate in the 1 to 3 range on the looks scale. This provides a certain social service, leading these women to at least be fucked by someone (even if the same black guy is fucking 4 fatties).

    On the other hand, the willingness of black men to fuck 1s, even if the same black guy can get 9s, reduces the pressure on black women (and now, fat white women) to become beautiful. Thus, the 80% of black women and 40% of white women who are obese do not have the pressure to become more attractive, since black men will not withhold sex on account of their ugliness.

    So, I am on the fence whether this is good or bad for society. A social service vs. preventing fat women from receiving the pressure to become more attractive.

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  161. Obsidian — whenever some gang banger criminal is shot by the police, regardless if the officer is white or black a huge cry of “racist” is released by the Black community and the police back off to drive and wave.

    Whenever sensible methods of combatting crime, mostly aggressive policing aiming to catch up Young Black Men who are Gang Members and criminals (that’s most of the Black Male Ghetto population) there is a huge cry of “racist” from the Black Community, protests, etc. and the police back off and drive and wave.

    Blacks in the Ghetto have had the means to stop the crime wave any time they wanted to. They dont’ want to. They could elect a law and order mayor, in majority black communities, and accept the cost of safety (locking up their sons and relatives who are young and male). They do not wish to do so, instead blaming “White Racism” and other such nonsense.

    Black Ghettos are violent the same reason the White British Underclass (and increasingly middle class) is violent: competition over women. A gang shooting of some guy from the wrong neighborhood is not “senseless,” it is quite sensible. It allows the killer to gain status, power, etc. from killing someone, and makes him sexy and desirable to women in his area. This is the same if the guy is a White British thug or a Black American Ghetto one. It’s the same dynamic and utterly predictable.

    And driven by women’s selection for thugs. It probably won’t ever change, once women start selecting for thugs, absent top-down control and fairly rigid oppression, women never change their preference. And absent the control they always go back. Britain during the Georgians had a strong female preference for thugs and drunks, Victorian repression changed that somewhat, the violent loutishness and women’s desire for it is the “natural” state of British people.

    Black men and women are not fools. They know quite well they have the means in their own hands to stop the killing: lock up the killers (and force Black women to choose decent men instead of thugs). They would rather have the killing, and defend that system at all costs over and over again.

    But don’t worry, the White population will soon follow that path. In fact, they already are.

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  162. on June 6, 2009 at 5:07 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Again: if I were a betting Man I’d put up good money that far and away more Black folk in B’More have been injured, maimed and killed than Whites-

    Oh, I agree with you.

    However, the perps are blacks, in both cases.

    Places high in blacks have high crime (even against non-blacks).

    Places low in blacks have low crime.

    The best way for non-violent blacks to make themselves safe is to move out of black areas, and into white or Asian areas. That way, the non-violent blacks are safe from the violent blacks.

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  163. Whiskey:

    Again you twist the facts to fit the theory, rather than patiently looking at the facts and then developing a theory out of them:

    1. Whedon really is a talented guy and has produced two of the best TV series out there: Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly. Why wouldn’t TV execs give him another shot.

    2. Megan Fox may not be a great thespian, but she is a star because she is a solid 10. And there aren’t many true 10s out there, even among models and actresses.

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  164. Apeman,
    Oh I see, so now we’re back to the “only 30 Black Women in the USA are attractive” thing, huh? I tell ya, you give UPenn a bad name every time you sit down to type.

    And this thing about Black Men only fucking fat, ugly White gals? I guess you haven’t been to a Walmart lately, where all you’ll see is White fuglies w/WHITE MEN on their arm, and a gaggle of kids in tow.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, guys like Apeman etc et al, talk a mean game of smack but ain’t gettin’ laid, not by a 3 and defeinitely not by a certified 9 either. Maybe those Brothas had the right idea.

    O, and like my man Anon says-isnt this just as much a matter of class than of race? Russell Simmons, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, none of these guys are w/fat, ugly White Women, if anything we can give all these guys some serious dap-and we can ask Hugh Jackman what the heck is up with his mate selection choices?

    O

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  165. on June 6, 2009 at 5:11 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Whiskey,

    I am not sure the White British underclass situation you describe is quite so pervasive.

    If it was, this class of Brits would have a high birth rate (like US ghetto blacks do). However, white Brits still have a low birth rate.

    Gun violence in Britain is still very low, compared to the US (particularly black parts of the US).

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  166. on June 6, 2009 at 5:22 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Oh I see, so now we’re back to the “only 30 Black Women in the USA are attractive” thing, huh?

    I didn’t bring that up this time, you did.

    you give UPenn a bad name every time you sit down to type.

    I can assure you that most people at Wharton (and the rest of UPenn) agree.

    Don’t sell the U of Michigan short either. I was there for 4 years, vs. just 2 years of grad school at UPenn.

    Why are you in denial of a well-known fact, that Chris Rock did a major piece on? These are well-known facts.

    And I do quite well myself, thank you very much.

    none of these guys are w/fat, ugly White Women,

    But they WILL fuck obese white women (as well as obese black women) if given the chance. Chris Rock proudly admitted as much, saying he prefers Roseanne Barr to Keira Knightley.

    Even a black man who could get 9s, will still be doing 1s at the same time if his 9 is out of town for 48 hours.

    That is why, on one hand, black men perform a social service to obese women (both white and black), but on the other hand, they relieve such women from the pressure to become beautiful. So, I am on the fence about whether this is a net good or bad.

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  167. Apeman,
    No, the way to deal w/this is to get at the root causes of crime to begin with-like cleaning up neighborhoods, increased police presence along w/forging strong community bonds w/said police, taking on Liberals who refuse to see and understand the value of vo-tech and trade schools so a lot of these guys can get real training for real jobs where they can actually build things w/their hands instead of tearing em down. Take the guys on the corner who have innate business talent and give THEM internships w/these big firms, so they can learn about legit business on the job out in the real.

    Part of the big problem, as Simon noted in his bill Moyers interview, is that these people feel abandoned by the larger White and to a large extent, Black society. Simply trying to “banish” them will not work.

    Real ideas to tackle the problems w/an eye towards real solutions, will.

    O

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  168. on June 6, 2009 at 5:26 pm Obsidian is right

    Obsidian

    you are 100% right. The inner cities are wastelands.

    The only way to reduce the crime rate in the inner cities is to pay for more cops, motivate the cops to be more aggressive, and aggressively enforce the law. Aggressively enforcing the law probably means decriminalizing soft drugs (to free up the man power to go after violent crimes)

    Aggressively enforcing the law means putting the murderers and rapists and armed robbers away for longer sentences.

    Obsidian, I’m sure that you would be in favor of the above system – get the small number of evil people in the inner city locked up forever, leaving the good inner city people to live in peace.

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  169. on June 6, 2009 at 5:26 pm GNPs are for Apes

    To be clear, the statement is :

    Only 30 black women in the US, at any given time, would achieve a rating of 9 or 10. There might be many 7s, but there are only 30 9s or 10s at any given time. Half-breeds like Halle Berry are not included in this number.

    This is an indisputable fact.

    Tamron Hall, as I said, is one of the 30, even though she is 38 years old. She has superb TRACTS OF LAND. I rarely see such exquisite TRACTS OF LAND.

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  170. on June 6, 2009 at 5:29 pm GNPs are for Apes

    increased police presence along w/forging strong community bonds w/said police, taking on Liberals who refuse to see and understand the value of vo-tech and trade schools so a lot of these guys can get real training for real jobs where they can actually build things w/their hands instead of tearing em down.

    Oh, I agree.

    But it just won’t happen. Lefties won’t allow it, and 90% of blacks will vote for them, no matter what.

    If you run for office, I will support you. But blacks won’t vote for you, even though white conservatives will.

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  171. One, because of the very simple evolutionary fact-FACT-that most Men don’t get laid.

    complete nonsense. May be true for most men who spend a lot of time on the internet, but not for most real-world men. Of men aged 25-44, only 7.4 percent have not had a sexual partner within the last 12 months. The percentage is the same for women aged 25-44. Even among men aged 20-24, only 14 percent have not had a sexual partner within the last year. See Table B of this report .

    The loser factor here is so high (led by Roissy) that these kinds of claims look realistic to people.

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  172. on June 6, 2009 at 5:32 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Hey, at least I say there are 30 black women who are 9s and 10s.

    Willard Libby says there are exactly zero, and he even rates Tamron Hall as just a 6.

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  173. on June 6, 2009 at 5:40 pm Vanilla Thunder

    Obsidian:

    “From the time they get their first period till about 35 or so, the average Woman is inundated with sexual favors and opportunities; a particularly hot babe can easily get *dozens* of guys coming at her EVERY DAY. The overwhelming vast majority of Men will NEVER experience Women coming at him like that. Never.”

    Reminds me of Chris Rock’s routine:

    “From the time a woman goes through puberty she is offered dick every day. Every single day!
    ‘Would you like help carrying these groceries? How ’bout some dick??’

    ‘Let me get this door for you. How about some dick??’ “

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  174. Apeman,
    When was the last time Willie actually discussed Game? Has he ever talked about any of the Women in his life? I think I’ll pass on his sage game related advice, thanks.

    As for Chris Rock, Apeman, he’s a funny man, he’s supposed to say stuff to make you laugh. Look at who he actually keeps company with. Please note that NONE of his Women are looking like Oprah. What does that tell you? I know what it tells me-it tells me that a Black Man, like any other Man, who has options, will exercise said options. The end.

    And your 30 Black Beautiful Women argument is hilarious, I’m surprised you can evven say such a thing w/o busting out laughing. I don’t think you even had 30 Black Women sexually. C’mon man you can do better than that.

    O

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  175. on June 6, 2009 at 5:55 pm i'm with fred

    Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, “What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are wormeaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don’t disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don’t disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,–your interference is doing him a positive injury.

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  176. on June 6, 2009 at 5:57 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I know what it tells me-it tells me that a Black Man, like any other Man, who has options, will exercise said options.

    So you are admitting my point, that a black man who can get a 9, will still fuck both the 9 and 1s at the same time. Whereas other men will not go below a 5 or so.

    You have agreed with my point, that black men will ‘exercise ALL options available to them’, including the option to fuck 1s (an option most other men will not exercise). This is what Chris Rock also says.

    I don’t think you even had 30 Black Women sexually.

    Of course not, and neither have you, since there are only 30 hot black women in the US (i.e. only 1-2 per city). I would believe that you had 30 obese black women, however, since you are ‘Obese-dian’ after all.

    It is logistically impossible for any man, no matter how alpha, to have sex with 100% of the attractive black women in the US (since there are only 30 of them). Even Genghis Khan could not locate the 30 needles in such a vast haystack.

    Willard Libby says there are zero attractive black women. Even Tamron Hall is just a 6 for him.

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  177. on June 6, 2009 at 6:05 pm Virginia Gentleman

    On behalf of myself and the rest of the group of people who take an interest in transportation systems, I’d like ask that nobody impute Mr. Alexander’s behaviors and mindset to all of us. The Nikon D40 that is aimed at a unit train o’ coal one minute can easily be turned into a conversation starter with two good-looking young women elsewhere when they ask you to take their picture.*

    I would submit that a real alpha type takes whatever gear he has trackside and does his work without caring what other around him think, whether he’s there with a 110 Instamatic or a bleeding-edge DSLR. ‘course, maybe that’s just my attitude. I too would mock the fool who expected me to genuflect towards him simply for the price of his camera. If you’ve already decided that you’re not going to be good, allocate the money elsewhere.

    Vladimir: I’ve heard that argument made before, by a professor at West Point, regarding the impossibility of a negotiated settlement to the Great War. That war was probably the century’s great tragedy; had it not occurred, so much else might not have gone the way it did.

    Where Megan Fox is concerned, can’t we knock off a tenth of a point for the tattoos? Not sayin’ it’s an absolute bar, but…


    * Too bad they left hand in hand with each other. The upshot of it was that there wasn’t a chance there to lose. It makes a good story.

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  178. So many good comments to respond to here, so please bear w/me, I’m trying to respond to errbody.

    Whiskey, I don’t think you’ve been following Philadelphia politics much have you? This city has now had its third Black Mayor, Michael Nutter, who ran on a platform, in part, called Stop & Frisk. In essence it was a form of Racial Profiling in that cops would be given the power to stop and frisk suspicious looking young Men for illegal guns.

    As you might expect, professional activists, Liberals and the like-most if not all of whom don’t live in areas of the city where the gun violence is at an all time high, mind you-came out in force, basically trying to call Nutter, who is Black, a “racist” against his own people. Well, as it turns out, the voters decided, and overwhelmingly endorsed his Stop & Frisk plan, which, along w/increased police presence, has begun to bring the crime rate down somewhat. How long can Nutter keep this up, I don’t know. But so far, so good.

    The police commisioner is Black as well.

    As for forcing Women to make better mate selection choices, I don’t see how that’s feasible, unless we’re willing to break some civil liberty laws to bring that about, which makes me nervous. Of course, we could employ massive shaming, somthing that is known to have strong effect on females. That remains an open question to me, how to go about it, etc.

    But my main point Whiskey, and everyone else reading this, make no mistake, people in the hood DO WANT THE CRIMINALS LOCKED THE FUCK UP. Its just so many are scared to death (ever heard of the “Stop Snitchin’ campaign? It got its start in B’More I understand) that they don’t say anything for fear of their lives, and who can blame em when the police do such a big job protecting citizens?

    O

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  179. Thursday —

    Whedon’s overall track record is poor. As a writer, he’s terrible, he’s good at CASTING, and Buffy’s success depended on the cast of Gellar, Head, Brendon, Hannigan, Green, and Marsters. Taking mediocre dialog and plot and making it good.

    Just getting VIEWERS, Whedon’s failed with: Buffy the Movie, Alien Resurrection, Titan AE, Fireflop the TV series, Serenity, the last two years of Buffy (UPN bought two years foolishly upfront, ratings were terrible). Then there is Dollhouse, a stupid premise, a star with no real appeal (she could not sustain the premise of her previous series), and the lowest rated show EVER renewed (2 million viewers). The renewal was based on … cutting the budget in half.

    Even during Buffy’s peak popularity 1998-1999, Whedon only got 5 million viewers. Now he’s getting half that. BECAUSE his core demo, emo-goth teen girls, and a few feminized geeks, is damn small. Two million viewers.

    MEANWHILE, a proven WINNER (John Hughes) is blackballed from Hollywood because execs don’t think his films/writing is “cool” and don’t like his middle of the road values. It takes Judd Apatow pulling strings to get Hughes (Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Sixteen Candles, Planes Trains and Automobiles) to get back into Hollywood. Then there’s a guy named Cannell, creator of the A-Team, Wiseguy, and other 80’s hits, unable to work in TV anymore [execs also don’t like his shows, too male, too conservative.] Meanwhile freaks like the Wachowski “brothers” (one had a sex change operation) rule Hollywood.

    Fox is not a “10” .. she’s got skanky tattoos, is dumb as a bag of rocks, is not aging well, and can’t act. She can’t do comedy, she can’t make girls/women like her, she can’t play lead. She’s severely limited. She can’t put butts in seats like Adam Sandler, or Drew Barrymore, or Rob Schneider can. Sandler’s movies nearly always make money, lots of it, and cost very little. Yet he’s persona-non-grata in Hollywood because he’s not part of the Cool Crowd.

    GNP — Crime rates in Britain are out of control. White British middle class birth rates are low, but White British underclass women have three kids by different fathers just like US Ghetto Blacks. Same reason. Competition for women and women’s preference. Gun violence in the UK is quite high as well, just not counted. Heck, crimes like burning down a house with people in it are pled down to a fine for misdemeanor.

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  180. Apeman,
    No, that is not my point, which again is borne out by Simmons, Rock, Murphy, Chappelle, etc et al-what you’re talking about is more a class issue than a racial one, because there are easily as many White Men shagging fat and/or ugly White Women, again, just pay a visit to your local Walmart.

    As for whether a public service is being done to sexually service fat chicks, perhaps you haven’t seen the studies done that actually suggest that fat chicks get more sex than skinny chicks. Look around for it on the internet, its there.

    And in any event, I’m having trouble seeing your point-how are White Women affected by Black Men supposedly having sex w/fat gals? Please explain?

    O

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  181. Default Looking “bulky” or “big boned” does not do the same damage to a man as a woman default I agree and the one reason why it doesn’t bother most women if a man is bulky or big boned is because we look to men for protection. Most women prefer to date men who are larger. It should also be noted that men who are large and sloppy won’t do as well as those who have a better build. Think back to the Tocarra post to see how this works for females too.

    Anonymous
    Why is David Alexander sometimes David on ipod?
    Anon this question has been on my mind too.

    Obsidian:
    “From the time they get their first period till about 35 or so, the average Woman is inundated with sexual favors and opportunities; a particularly hot babe can easily get *dozens* of guys coming at her EVERY DAY. The overwhelming vast majority of Men will NEVER experience Women coming at him like that. Never.”

    MU, most women are sickened by the looks and catcalls we get on a daily bases. A good number of us see this as street harassment which results in us choosing out clothing, adopting a itch face, and what route to take to get from point A to point B with care to avoid areas where a large number of disrespectful males are known to hang out.

    Mq The loser factor here is so high (led by Roissy) that these kinds of claims look realistic to people. I agree MQ, after all I come here all the time and lord knows what a weirdo loser I am.
    [editor: too easy.]

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  182. MU, a possible reason why women may prefer blk men over other groups is because they seem to look at other things in addition to looks. I’ve heard women say they feel more comfortable around blk men and I’ve never seen a brother rip a woman’s looks apart the way I’ve seen wht men do.

    [editor: it makes sense for white men to be more discriminating about a woman’s looks if the sexual market in which the races evolved substantively differs. iow, because sub sarahan black men don’t invest much in their putative children, they are less choosy when it comes to picking a mate.]

    Too many men have no idea how women rate men looks wise.
    [that’s because a man’s looks aren’t as important to attracting the opposite sex as a woman’s looks are important for her to attract men.]

    I’ve seen some men here rate men as 7,8, and,9’s who I would view as 4-7.
    [i’ve told you this already, but you must be too dumb to let it sink in: black women are more looks-focused than women from other races.]

    It could be a problem for men when they are approaching 8’s thinking they are her equal when they are really 5-6’s.
    [there is more to a man’s rating than his looks. a man who looks like a 5 could be rated an 8 by a woman if he has other attractive male attributes like money, charm, or game.]

    The only time I can recall being called out by another female poster for my male ratings was my rating of the young Jack Nicholson.
    [do everyone a favor and try to learn something here for once instead of spouting the same BS over and over like LR.]

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  183. Chic, MQ,
    First of all, trust me, I’m a Man, what I said is true, and if there are any brave Men in the forum that’s willing to go on record they’ll easily back up what I say.

    Also MQ, you got what I said wrong; you went to a study that talked about Men getting sex within the past yr; I’m talking about Men who can say that they’ve had sex at least once a month, or, 12 times a year. Most Men, particularly those under 30, cannot say that they do.

    Chic, it may indeed be a pain in the behind to always have the Bitch Shields up, but that’s the way nature works. If a Man waits to be approached by a Woman, he’ll die an old man w/blue balls. Men *have* to approach Women most of the time, and almost invariably they’ll be shot down by said Women. That’s just the way it is, until most Women hit the hall, somewhere over 35. Until then, they hold pretty much all the cards.

    O

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  184. chic noir

    It should also be noted that men who are large and sloppy won’t do as well as those who have a better build. Think back to the Tocarra post to see how this works for females too.

    Agree.

    A woman that keeps an hourglass figure can get away with a lot more weight than one who does not. A man does not need a V shaped torso, but a beer gut is an attraction killer.

    PS:
    Very apt web link in your name (“This is Why You Are Fat”)

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  185. I’ll add that it takes real effort NOT to see that Hollywood could care less about making money.

    Ever since mega-corps took over, profit-making from continuing operations has been well, not important. What runs Hollywood is super-stars, talent agencies, and networking execs looking for their next job, not a continuous series of paydays year after year. Execs turn over faster than fish at the market. Being able to land a Matt Damon or Nicole Kidman gets a movie made. Playing with other people’s money, whether it’s German tax evading funds (that bankrolled “VIP” with Pam Anderson) or Wall Street Hedge funds looking for a tax dodge, has been Hollywood’s M.O. since the end of the old-line moguls who were owner-operators. This is why take-over artists have been trying for years (Kirkorian, or Carl Ichan with Lionsgate) to break up the companies and sell the assets for a profit.

    Hollywood does not and has not for about forty five years really care about making money through broad hits, but rather cheating people out of money due: witness Peter Jackson of all people getting screwed out of his contractually due money for Lord of the Rings. That guy! WHILE HE WAS MAKING THEM.

    It’s all about short-term deal-making and the classic “agency” problem — management and talent like GM conspiring to rig the shareholders by extracting the maximum amount of money out of deals.

    Quick what five broadly appealing, male-female, young-old TV series can you find on broadcast networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and CW?) The closest is American Idol, and that’s just housewives and 12 year olds crying for Sanjaya.

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  186. chic noir

    Too many men have no idea how women rate men looks wise

    I think looks (especially facial “beauty”) are not as important as part of man’s attractiveness.

    As you have pointed out, Clinton really hit some women’s buttons but he was not really that handsome (e.g., fleshy face, bulbous nose). I am sure that as many women would swoon over the 70-year old craggy Sean Connery as the boyishly handsome Tom Cruise.

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  187. Whiskey. watch out. i think you’ve caught the CAPITALIZATION disease from Lady.

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  188. on June 6, 2009 at 7:55 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian wrote :

    perhaps you haven’t seen the studies done that actually suggest that fat chicks get more sex than skinny chicks.

    Sure, because black men prefer fat chicks, and are prolific enough to service many of them simultaneously. That is my point – black men will fuck an endless supply of fat women (black and white) that other men will not touch.

    So you are, in fact, agreeing with me.

    The problem is, this lack of selectivity from black men, while performing a social service on one hand, enables black women to let themselves go, to the extent that all of America has only 30 black 9s and 10s.

    chic noir wrote :

    because they seem to look at other things in addition to looks.

    In other words, they are willing to fuck obese chicks that other men would rather avoid.

    So both Obese-dian and Chic Noir are arriving at the same conclusion as I.

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  189. Chic Noir is absolutely, hopelessly incapable of learning anything about Game, despite the months and months she has been on this board.

    Two beliefs held by Chicpea :

    1) That women give up much more than men by getting married.

    2) That even a man with Game has to buy a woman a drink for $10 in order to ‘buy’ a few minutes of her time in order to ‘sell’ himself to her.

    These are beliefs this airhead still holds, even after being here for months and months. She is not within a million miles of actually learning anything.

    This shows why Game works. Women never, ever, will figure out what Game actually is.

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  190. on June 6, 2009 at 8:04 pm Obsidian is right

    Obsidian –

    I have two proposals, to make the inner city safer

    (1) decriminalize all soft drugs
    (2) Amnesty all the people in prison for soft drug consumption
    (3) use the resulting huge number of empty prison cells to implement two strikes and you are out

    what this means is, when a young inner city person is convicted of a violent felony, rehabilitate him, spend a lot of money to make him go straight, but if you parole him and he commits another violent felony, it is two strikes and you are out – he is locked up until the age of 55

    The impact of this is the prisons are filled with violent repeat criminals and empty of non violent soft drug offenders

    Obsidian give an honest blunt assessment of this plan

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  191. on June 6, 2009 at 8:07 pm GNPs are for Apes

    And in any event, I’m having trouble seeing your point-how are White Women affected by Black Men supposedly having sex w/fat gals? Please explain?

    Not affected as much as black women. But let me explain :

    In America, 80% of black women are obese, while about 40% of white women are.

    Given the population ratios of about 6:1, this leads to :

    X obese black women
    3X obese white women
    1.25X black men to fuck them both.

    So there are 1.25X black men to fuck 4X total obese women of both races.

    This gives the average black man over 3 fat women to fuck, given that non-black men won’t fuck these fatties. An above-average black man, such as yourself, could get perhaps 6 fatties at the same time, while even David Alexander could get one. His decision to withdraw from fatty-fucking frees up more fatties for the other Brothas.

    The problem for black women is, they are at best getting one-third of each black man’s services, since the sheer numbers of fat white women are more (even if the percentage is lower).

    Now, logically, this should lead to more black women slimming down, in order to outcompete white fatties, but since black men are able to successfully fuck 3 fatties at once (1 black and 2 white), the fat women are still not pressured to improve their looks.

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  192. I have two proposals, to make the inner city safer

    (4) pull the plug on welfare, forcing women to rely on men with jobs. Even if it’s McDonald’s. (where you can be promoted to manager and get health insurance)

    (5) punish youth violence with public shaming.

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  193. on June 6, 2009 at 8:11 pm GNPs are for Apes

    4) pull the plug on welfare, forcing women to rely on men with jobs. Even if it’s McDonald’s. (where you can be promoted to manager and get health insurance)

    Democrats will not have it, and blacks will always, always vote 90% Democrat.

    (5) punish youth violence with public shaming.

    Hard to do when their peers actually glorify it.

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  194. — Democrats will not have it

    The meta-story of course is that the ruling powers don’t want the black inner cities to be safe and peaceful for blacks.

    Don’t you think that all these smart leftist intellectuals, judges, and politicians had thought of all these pacification methods themselves?

    If something bad is going on in America, it’s because some group of men high up wants it that way. The white leftist overlord class is the real enemy.

    — Hard to do when their peers actually glorify it.

    I’m talking caning, like in Singapore. Can’t bebop in da hood like you’re keepin it real when a martial arts expert is whacking you on the ass in front of your homies and you’re crying like a baby.

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  195. I’ll take it further: the utter bestialization of whole swaths of our African American fellow-citizens is the fruit of the labor of several generations of leftist progresives.

    Not that this sorta-absolvation of individual black criminals is any consolation to the families of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.

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  196. on June 6, 2009 at 8:24 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I’ll take it further: the utter bestialization of whole swaths of our African American fellow-citizens is the fruit of the labor of several generations of leftist progresives.

    Yep. They were on the right track until 1965. Hell, they were on the right track even in the 1980s.

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  197. on June 6, 2009 at 8:27 pm GNPs are for Apes

    the utter bestialization of whole swaths of our African American fellow-citizens is the fruit of the labor of several generations of leftist progresives.

    Blacks could, of course, choose not to vote for leftists. But instead, they vote 90% for them.

    So it is valid to say that they did it to themselves. There is no black leadership rising up to re-direct black voting efforts and issues. Instead, you get Jesse Jackson and Jeremiah Wright making personal profit off of the situation that they are exacerbating.

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  198. Anon — well it was pretty remarkable. To shaft the guy who made your studio billions while he was making it. Too lazy to do the bold code.

    As for Blacks and Crime, it’s driven by competition for women. Decriminalizing drugs wont’ do a damn thing. It’s irrelevant. You can make more money with less risk at McDonalds than dealing Drugs.

    Guys do it because McDonalds = David Alexander celibacy, drug dealing even low level gets girls and sex.

    Simple as that.

    Want to break the cycle of escalating violence?

    Imprison most young black men who are violent criminals.
    Force young black women to prefer steady guys at McDonalds to street thugs.

    Neither will never happen, since Black women and men themselves will scream the loudest over it.

    But don’t worry — Whites are getting there really fast.

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  199. — Imprison most young black men who are violent criminals.

    What’s so hard about that?

    — Force young black women to prefer steady guys at McDonalds to street thugs.

    That’s a dumb strawman. All you need to do is to pull the welfare plug and the McDonald’s manager will start looking real fiiiiine to da ladies.

    — McDonalds = David Alexander celibacy, drug dealing even low level gets girls and sex.

    How much of that is a cliche, and how much is reality? I swung by a McDonald’s today. The manager was a good looking black guy who looked like he has no trouble with the sistahs.

    He makes enough to afford a pad, nice clothes, a nice car, a gym membership, and has health insurance to boot. There was nothing David Alexander about him.

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  200. Why is David Alexander sometimes David on ipod?

    Maybe it’s when he posts from a ipod touch when out railfanning. or hugfanning.

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  201. 70 hour weeks for a wife who doesn’t love me and kids who will abandon me because daddy didn’t buy a pony or ATV seems rather silly too, especially for a salaried position. The blue collar guys and civil servants at least get time and a half for their troubles…

    In the past those weren’t the terms. The men who invested in society had wives who did love them and kids who weren’t spoiled brats. Feminism has twisted things to their current state.

    Since I lack skill and imagination, I will need that last 3% to smite the railfans who have $1,500 DSLRs, but better skills and imagination than me.

    You have that backwards. Without skill and imagination you need nothing more than a nice point and shoot. Anything above that will not help you in the least, it will just be a waste of your money.

    Work on the skill and imagination, or save your money and get a nice point and shoot for nice snapshots.

    If given the choice, as a Nikon user, I’d aim for a Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 VR as a core with primes at 35mm f/1.8 and 85mm f/1.4 for low light subway stations or outdoor stations at night, and something long with a good tripod for when I need that extra reach.

    Of course for a prole railfan, a D50 with Tamron 17-50 f/2.8, Nikon 50 f/1.8, 28-105 f/3.5.-4.5, and 55-200 VR isn’t too bad as a set up. Of course, at this point I’d like nicer glass and a D300, but as you said, I’d rather go places than have glass that sits unused.

    If you have APS bodies then the 24-70 is a very expensive mismatch. The 24-70 is a full frame wedding photographer’s lens. For just about any other purpose there are better, cheaper options. I’ll never understand the lust for the 24-70 among hobbyists, especially hobbyists with APS cameras.

    From the lenses you mentioned, I would aim for the Tokina, the Tamron 17-50, the 70-200, and the three primes if I really needed the low light ability. The problem with Nikon is that you get screwed if you want the 70-200. In the Canon system you can get a 70-200 f/4L IS for around a grand, and if you’re really on a budget, a 70-200 f/4L for under $600. The Canon 70-200 f/4L will perform every bit as well as the Nikon and you will hardly miss the stop of light or IS/VR for the $1,200, which will just about buy you a 50D to go with the lens.

    But I have to emphasize the point: if you lack skill and imagination, either develop those, or save your money for vacations.

    No David, your complete lack of drive, vision, mission, or any sense of masculine ambition is what scares women off.

    So in other words, I’m not delusional about my own abilities and skills, and I am realistic about my uselessness? If women want a delusional man to prop up their little dream world built on pretty lies, then maybe they are better off with another man.

    I realize this was not a response to me, but if this is your attitude in life, save your money on the cameras. Drive, vision, mission, ambition…these are choices David, in any endeavor. I’ll relate this to photography: when I picked up my first camera I couldn’t make a decent snapshot. But I admired beautiful photographs and wanted to be able to make them. It took years, but now I never fail to wow friends, family, photo club members, and professional critics visiting my club. I’m constantly told to go pro, and receive offers on prints that aren’t even for sale.

    That took work. Practice. Effort. Desire. Ambition. Something an Alpha friend noticed about me: when I discuss photography with women it grabs their attention because I love it so much that I naturally show off the desire and ambition they love. He purposely brings up my hobby within minutes of meeting any women with me for this reason.

    That love and ambition? That was a choice, consistently made time and time again over years. When you tell yourself that you’re useless and no woman would want you, you make a choice, time and again. And it builds upon itself until you really are useless.

    Make your choice.

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  202. on June 6, 2009 at 8:57 pm David on ipod

    Or he is posting from some place in the real world where he has to be the grown up. When I am on the train or with non-date, I am usually too distracted by fun. 🙂

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  203. It ain’t Dave Alexander’s fault.

    PUA is just a reaction to a failing system, female indecency can’t be ‘fixed’ by male gamesmanship, it simply creates a dialectic spiral to oblivion (ala, Whiskey).

    The problems are more endemic than simply having a lack of balls. I know the commendable one (Obsidian) is playing the drill sergeant’s game of ‘upping the ante’ but its too late, the rot has set in.

    In this new insidious war over the very fundamental character of human nature Dave is a guerrilla against the system.

    The rot starts with education.

    http://educationalabuse.blogspot.com/

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  204. So ‘David on Ipod’ is ‘David Alexander’ posting from work on an ipod touch?

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  205. @ whiskey

    Eliza Dushku not aging well? Huh?

    And the last of this thread has been great. From the obese black women to the bastardization of whole black communities and the whole segmentation of TV.

    Interesting stuff.

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  206. on June 6, 2009 at 9:30 pm David on ipod

    It’s not work, but somewhere that turns children into grown ups. If you are smart, you’ll see the references from other posts.

    I’ll reply to other things later.

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  207. Watson: Get the violin and some cocaine from my private stash. Moriati Alexander has set me a damn iq test. The boy is obsessed with iq – the fiend!

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  208. The Case of the Rail Fanning Beta. My most diabolical case yet. Fingers slipin and slidin over an itouch screen like some damn hipster.

    A school of some sort. Given the time – an evening class. But Saturday night? Stalking a white chubby with a tarts nails?

    Watson – unleash the crack pipe.

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  209. The men who invested in society had wives who did love them and kids who weren’t spoiled brats.

    As I said before, because the choice was restricted, it wasn’t really a full choice. It’s rather insulting to be chosen because the alpha wasn’t around, so you ended up winning by default.

    Work on the skill and imagination, or save your money and get a nice point and shoot for nice snapshots.

    I came from SLRs to digital, and to this day, I can’t stand using point and shoots. There’s nothing better than looking through a viewfinder on an SLR and composing an imagine.

    As for the set up, the second list of lenses is my current set up that I’ve amassed over five years, and everything serves its purpose. If I lucked out with a little bit more cash, I’d probably buy a D90 to have a dual body set up with the D50 for low light at night and subway stations, but the 11-16 f/2.8 seems like a lens that’s nice to have, but would sit unused frequently, and the 35mm and 85mm are optional at this point since I already have a 50 mm. In contrast, the first list is something that would be really nice to have if I had the money and a D3 or D700 to carry along with me. I suspect that a lot of hobbyists want the respective 24-70 lenses because they’re name brand, “professional grade”, ease the eventual transition into full-frame, and that need to have every range covered at f/2.8. Otherwise, it makes more sense to stay with the current kit, and to use whatever money that I get to travel and explore places other than my bedroom.

    It took years, but now I never fail to wow friends, family, photo club members, and professional critics visiting my club. I’m constantly told to go pro, and receive offers on prints that aren’t even for sale.

    That’s the weird thing. Even with a cruddy disposable point and shoot, people liked my photographs, and lots of people regularly say I should consider going pro. In contrast, I feel that my work is crap, and isn’t worth showing and eventually, one can become discouraged at even trying especially when you see other people’s far superior work.

    And yes, non-date likes my photos, and she didn’t freak out about the train photos…

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  210. Taking mediocre dialog and plot and making it good.

    What? The witty dialogue was what _made_ Buffy.

    It takes Judd Apatow pulling strings to get Hughes (Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Sixteen Candles, Planes Trains and Automobiles) to get back into Hollywood.

    Too bad about Hughes, but it sounds like he has at least partially imposed exile on himself. No one has even gotten a photo of him in years.

    Then there’s a guy named Cannell, creator of the A-Team, Wiseguy, and other 80’s hits, unable to work in TV anymore [execs also don’t like his shows, too male, too conservative.]

    Bwaaaahwaaaahwaa. The A-Team was shit and the others were so so at best.

    .. she’s got skanky tattoos, is dumb as a bag of rocks, is not aging well, and can’t act.

    All doubtless true (except for the aging thing) . . . and totally irrelevant.

    P.S. Bellucci and Cardinale were no great shakes as actresses either. Still 10s.

    She can’t put butts in seats like Adam Sandler, or Drew Barrymore, or Rob Schneider can.

    My heart bleeds. Such wasted genius.

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  211. Whiskey just makes up facts to fit his theories.

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  212. It’s rather insulting to be chosen because the alpha wasn’t around, so you ended up winning by default.

    So a chick who is in love with Roissy is settling for him by default because A-list actors or rock stars aren’t around?

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  213. Bwaaaahwaaaahwaa. The A-Team was shit and the others were so so at best.

    Someone brought up The Sopranos on the TV thread. I thought it was an excellent show. Had its faults, but overall, it was Shakesperean in scope and execution.

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  214. So a chick who is in love with Roissy is settling for him by default because A-list actors or rock stars aren’t around?

    In theory, yes, but this is probably where my theory falls apart as I lump alphas together as one massive class that for simplicity’s sake equates Roissy with a celebrity.

    Re: McDonalds

    Since we know how I feel about the “golddigger” issue, I think the problem is finding work for black men. McDonalds pays well for entry level work, it’s not sustainable long-term employment, and the question is how can we find work for a group of men where the average IQ hovers around 85? They can’t all have the IQ to run a McDonalds or other related fast food chain.

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  215. As I said before, because the choice was restricted, it wasn’t really a full choice. It’s rather insulting to be chosen because the alpha wasn’t around, so you ended up winning by default.

    What you don’t seem to understand is that women weren’t settling. The world was very different and they were making choices in that context. While we may all agree that there are certain underlying themes to masculine, Alpha behavior which attracts women, how that behavior plays out, the specifics of what attract a woman in a specific time and place and culture, vary. Is that not the point of Roissy’s post? To a woman in the 1940’s the top photo is the Alpha male, and the bottom photo is a douche who will get beat up by the Alpha and his buddies to her delight. To a woman today, the top photo is of a beaten, sad beta, and the bottom photo is the fun, peacocking man that will thrill her.

    Am I wrong?

    I came from SLRs to digital, and to this day, I can’t stand using point and shoots. There’s nothing better than looking through a viewfinder on an SLR and composing an imagine.

    I’ll grant that. My broader point is to try and conserve your money unless you’re going to put the time and effort into the skill side. A D700 is pointless unless you’re very serious and steadily improving in your work. Even for accomplished artists, the real difference today between APS and full frame is low light ability. A 50D or D300, with proper post processing, can make prints that will be indistinguishable from a 5D or D700 when at low to mid ISO. You should really ask yourself if the money is worth it.

    That’s the weird thing. Even with a cruddy disposable point and shoot, people liked my photographs, and lots of people regularly say I should consider going pro. In contrast, I feel that my work is crap, and isn’t worth showing and eventually, one can become discouraged at even trying especially when you see other people’s far superior work.

    Without seeing your work I can’t judge where you sit. Even in the beginning family and friends will say they like stuff and encourage you, but that doesn’t mean it’s good. I remember being at that point. I can honestly say that I see an upward curve in my abilities over time, and that at this point I’m capable of producing work that is the equal of work which graces local galleries and art shows, and even some magazine covers I see. There’s still a lot of room for improvement, and I still push forward. But throughout the years I always tried to honestly judge what I was producing without being too lenient or too harsh on myself. And I never let failures or “crap” stop me from pushing forward. Photography is a skill that takes years to develop. Why would I be discouraged when I look at the work of someone who has spent decades doing it? I should be encouraged knowing that if I keep my eye on the ball, I can master the skill and use it to express my view of the world as well.

    My two questions for you are…

    * Do you believe that you can improve your photography to the level of those you admire, and actively pursue this?

    * If not, why bother? If so, why do you think dealing with women is any different?

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  216. Because I want to make at least one purely positive contribution to this sick little community here is yet another account written by a feminist who cannot control her sexual desire to be dominated by the firm hand of a real man. Sample quote:

    By day, I was a women’s studies minor, wrote a weekly feminist column for the student newspaper, and was president of the National Organization of Women on campus. By night, I really, really, really just wanted to be spanked.

    This kind of first person account is practically a mini-genre by now. I can’t really reproduce the incredible tone of this thing, so I’ll just leave it at that. Deserves a front page link, which would make a good break from the videos of dweeby “alpha” days and pissing contests with white trash chicks.

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  217. chic [email protected]
    Where’d your blog go baby?

    [email protected]
    “Once you realize that women are inherently only attracted to alpha males, the only reasonable conclusion as to why they’re with a beta male can only be the “golddigger” excuse.”

    Dude, you didn’t swallow the red pill.
    You bit it in two.
    Swallowed half of it.
    And choked on the other half while it dissolved, lodged somewhere up in your sinuses, leaching noxious red foam chock full of estrogenic compounds into your bloodstream and out your nostrils.

    Now that’s pretty damn unattractive.

    I think that you are afraid to give up certain things that define your identity.. self loathing is a funny thing, after a while it creates its own excuses.

    Answer for me these questions. I’m trying to figure out something. What is your height? What is your weight? Do you suffer from any physical disabilities. How would you describe your facial features?

    I’m not playing a game, I’m seriously curious and trying to work out something in my head.

    “..The ability to use a high end DSLR to get photos in difficult conditions can get some attention. Otherwise, if you’re churning out shitty photos with high end equipment, you may as well give up since it’s pointless, and people will make fun of you for bragging about your useless expensive paperweights…”

    I’m forced, however, to acknowledge the logic behind this statement actually…

    editor. a.k.a. [email protected]
    is actually on to something regarding some sub Saharan child rearing patterns, and invest in offspring.

    I’m not sure how many people hear have read Ibn Khaldun, but his seminal work on cultural history is in English translation and for a bloody medieval book, he makes some startling observations. The impact of Climate and environment on the development of populations has a larger role than many people suspect. Specific aspects of the environment of large portions of sub-Saharan Africa
    can explain the development of certain child rearing patterns which possibly may have had a role in the evolution of people in those Areas.

    Africa’s culturally and racially far more complex than most people imagine, but there is something in what you notice, I’m simply too tired to wade through the degrees of political incorrectness necessary to engage it.

    I suspect that slavery also exerts selective pressures. specifically sexual slavery. Everyone’s noticed the remarkable female beauty that seems common with Eastern European women. Historically eastern Europe’s been a slave raider’s paradise for centuries. Hell, it still goes on today under the rubric of “human trafficking” – why do you think the slavs are called “Slavs” ?

    Arabs had two favorite sources for concubines, the areas of the Horn of Africa – Somali and Ethiopia – and the peoples of the Caucuses, Chechnya, to Russia, down as far as Poland. After the fall of Arab Imperial power, the Turks favored Eastern European sexual slaves over Africans, but the regional Arab Emirates still often favored Black Ethiopian concubines. Which is why you can notice a lot of negroid like features in modern Arab princes (see, for example, the diplomat Prince Bandar)

    A pet hypothesis of mine is that thousands of years of sexual slavery exerted some sort of artificial stimulus favoring female beauty. It’s no secret that the Somalis, Eritreans, and Ethiopians have the hottest chicks in Africa, and Slavic / Eastern European countries have the hottest chicks in Europe.

    That’s a sloppy hypothesis, not even a theory, but I suspect something

    [email protected]

    “So in other words, I’m not delusional about my own abilities and skills, and I am realistic about my uselessness? If women want a delusional man to prop up their little dream world built on pretty lies, then maybe they are better off with another man.”

    You under estimate your abilities and skills, I suspect, by orders of magnitude so immense as to be simply damn cartoonish. But it makes you into a very interesting online persona…

    🙂

    [email protected]

    “..Dave Alex has had more real opportunities to turn his life around, and he simply refuses to do so. He refuses to do so, because he is a Coward. This is why he keeps on w/the Beta/Goldigger line, the jacking off…”

    Damn. I would’ve said it more politely but, there you are. DA, you know this is truth.. but where does the Cowardice lie, exactly? It is in fear of change, fear of dropping self loathing and a veritable identity built up around the notion that you are congenitally un lovable and incompetent to book.

    [email protected]
    “..Entertainment is a female-gay ghetto because marketers around the mid 1980’s focused relentlessly on women, finding them the most important decision makers in purchases, both household and large..”

    Was it Hitler, or Goebbels, who commented that National socialist propaganda should first target the women due to their role as influencers in the family and household. Get the femes, then the kids, and the men will be dragged along by the balls. Sheepishly.

    I suspect that Comment_whatever is right on the moneymaking intentions of individual producers, writers, e.g. the particular and individual case.

    Whiskey’ I suspect your point is correct in the aggregate. I suspect, but cannot prove, that a major purpose is social control and dominance, e.g., power. Bills always have to get paid, but money isn’t an end. It is a tool, a means to leverage in achieving certain ends. Female oriented franchises can rack up losses for years when there are other agendas at play.

    This need not suggest a noxious conscious conspiracy of any kind, when we assume financial profit, but then remember than money is a means, then this means increased value and profit can be seen in the light of other forms of “capital” other than cash…

    Instead of following the money, perhaps it is more useful to follow the upside.

    Black Ghettos are violent the same reason the White British Underclass (and increasingly middle class) is violent: competition over women.

    In evolutionary terms, maybe. If we view all pissing contests and fights for social dominance, ultimately, as mediums through which competition for women takes place.

    I spent some time in England, rubbed shoulders with some gangsters. Really, the social dynamics in inner city London among both white AND south Asian thugs seemed remarkably similar to inner city USA. Adjusted for population. Looking at the history of violent crime in urban areas, even when the USA and England were racially and ethnically homogenous, we see similar things.

    Reading up on Jonathan Wild’s days in London and the sheer levels of endemic violence pervading early modern English society them, everyone on this board would look at these matters as unbearably savage.

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  218. In theory, yes

    As you kind of concede, your theorising runs toward absurdity. Where I agree with you is that women won’t love a beta. But where you are wrong is when you insist that a woman won’t fall in love with an ordinary man who exhibits enough alpha traits to hook her.

    One thing you may not be accounting for: women fall in love not with abstractions (the Ideal Platonic Alpha) but with particular men. A woman in love will ignore better looking and cooler guys as long as her man maintains enough manliness to keep her into him.

    the question is how can we find work for a group of men where the average IQ hovers around 85?

    Public works, low skill trades, maintenance, etc.

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  219. sick little community

    Hey MQ, no one cares about your contribution. Go fuck off.

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  220. [email protected]

    “Because I want to make at least one purely positive contribution to this sick little community here is yet another account written by a feminist who cannot control her sexual desire to be dominated by the firm hand of a real man. Sample quote:”

    I believe they all want this. Or at least in my limited experience, so far, to date.

    I used to be shy about spanking girls. Now it’s *thwack* and they giggle. The first time that happened the cognitive dissonance really bothered me.

    Then I stopped caring.

    They will admit it too, once they realize you aren’t going to judge them for it.

    One feminist, goddess spirituality, girl I know once confessed to me that her great frustration with the fact that her boyfriend and most guys she met were really just afraid to dominate her in bed. She wanted, yearned to, simply be wantonly manhandled without someone asking her permission.

    When she was properly single and I finally got around to spanking her, hard, the first time I did it she gasped sharply and then giggled.

    I have slowly learned over the years to simply ignore my cognitive dissonance when encountering facts about life that make no sense according to the standard facts ‘o things as taught to me when young.

    The heart, mind, and loins often take separate directions.

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  221. Without seeing your work I can’t judge where you sit.

    See here: http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/main.php

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  222. [email protected]
    “where you are wrong is when you insist that a woman won’t fall in love with an ordinary man who exhibits enough alpha traits to hook her.

    One thing you may not be accounting for: women fall in love not with abstractions (the Ideal Platonic Alpha) but with particular men.”

    You said it better, and in fewer words, than I could have.

    David A. You should tattoo PA’s words to your forehead. Women fall in love, irrationally, with particular men, most of whom may happen to exhibit a certain set of traits you superficially see as the epitome of alphaness but what you miss are the outliers. significant ones, or even girls who fall well into the curve.

    I have seen women fall madly in love with men whose dominant traits you would see as very “beta” but who had a certain degree of erotic dominance to trigger the parts of them that responded eroticaly to this. REALLY nice guys who had some manly balls somewhere when it came to a few things.

    Basically you must, as I once did, come to realize that you’re actually an asshole and not such a nice guy after all. This shouldn’t be difficult, you’ve already displayed a certain degree of passive aggressive assholery. You simply need to embrace the not so dark side of the force and your true journey would have begun. A hint, the source of your repressed (barley) assholery is somehow associated with your father. If you embrace it I suspect it will cause you great fear, once you embrace the dark side you will realize however that your fears were just illusions. You can still have your trains and cameras. But what you may loose is fear of your cock. And it’s power and potential.

    What you really loathe about yourself is different, I truly suspect, than what you openly claim to loathe about yourself.

    But you are welcome to declare me wrong.

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  223. [email protected]

    On the side, I will note that you have captured, in your photos, some real degree of the splendor of the Red Line.

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  224. PA —

    Why the hell do young guys forgo safe, easy money at McDonalds for street thugging and drug dealing? When the money is BETTER at McDonalads?

    DUH! Women dig the thugs. It’s that simple. Unless you change female choice, you’ll never change male behavior. Black guys don’t like getting shot any more than anyone else. It’s all about women. Watch any rap video.

    A McDonald’s manager is less than a Street thug, because a street thug can KILL the guy at any time. That’s escalating dominance.

    Bro — have you seen the latest, non-glamor/photoshopped pics of Dushku at the Iron Man in Malibu? Her face has lost it’s youthful babyfat, she’s getting that “hard” look, doubtless from constant exercise to keep the weight down.

    Thursday — Did you or did you not see the Buffy finale? Whedon wrote it, she compared herself to cookie dough! Then there was the whole Buffy-loves-Spike-after-he-raped-her storyline and dialog out of a crappy soap, and so on. Much the same pop-cult reference stuff that Kristy Swanson said, but without Gellar’s perfect timing or Head’s straight-man support. Most of Buffy’s late run was Whedon phoning it in, worshipping the Spike character, catering to aging fan-girls, and Twilight-lite but without the good writing. [Most of the best episodes S1 were written by outside contract writers not Whedon.]

    Whedon’s stuff is crappy feminist/gay bs, useful for seeing women as they are but not much use otherwise. [Whedon himself is the stereotypical Whimpster emo-type. Just ask him or check out his blog.]

    If Hollywood was about making money (and TV specifically), they would have gone with proven winners, Cannell got five times the audiences Whedon or JJ Abrams ever pulled, to say nothing of Rob Thomas. Remaking “Cupid” with Jim Cavaziel when the first one died ten years ago? Off of Veronica Mars 3 million viewers? Sandler and Schneider may not be edgy and hip, but unlike Nicole Kidman or Sean Penn, their movies make money 90% of the time, lots of it. Choosing edgy/hipster SWPL stuff over populist stuff = cronyism not money making as the objective.

    You’re so deep in fan-boy denial it’s not even funny Thursday.

    PA — Broadcast (as opposed to HBO) TV is in the business of selling ads against eyeballs. All things being equal, more eyeballs = more money. Yet TV has particularly this season chased fewer eyeballs, consistently. Look at the Leno move, justified because his show doesn’t cost much. [Leno will run 10 PM M-F in the fall]. Nearly every household COULD get HBO, and yet only 33% did at the peak, now down to 27%. Hardly anyone watched the Sopranos, but 40 years ago the “Beverly Hillbillies” pulled 60 million viewers week after week in a nation 100 million fewer. Only the Superbowl with 90 million viewers approaches that population growth normalized number. By comparison American Idol is the highest rated show with a peak viewership of 25 million.

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  225. Am I wrong?

    The problem here is that the men you have both described are the alphas of their respective eras. The issue at hand is women’s view of their beta male husbands in each period, and my view has been that economic reasons is what propped up beta male marriages, and a marriage propped by economics is a failed marriage.

    Do you believe that you can improve your photography to the level of those you admire, and actively pursue this?

    There are times where I feel that I just can’t, and that I’m just lacking in the creativity and intellectual power to create new and creative photography that can rival true artists. I’ll probably stick with it because sadly, it’s the best creative outlet that I have.

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  226. Kamal:

    And choked on the other half while it dissolved, lodged somewhere up in your sinuses, leaching noxious red foam chock full of estrogenic compounds into your bloodstream and out your nostrils.

    I choked unattractively laughing out loud at that image.

    Default: Hmm, why just shares? I’m sure you’d be the guy for most aspects of the job 😉

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  227. A follow-up, the loss of a mass popular culture has left guys adrift.

    Far too many follow feminist writers like Whedon or Abrams or others who cater to female prejudices and promote the idea of White Knighting and other idiocies.

    For a variety reasons most of which come down to what Sailer oberved was the predominance of hip young women in their twenties in urban centers doing the ad buying, advertisers and thus entertainment providers focused on women at the expense of men, absent the few films that MUST make money to support the gazillion Milk and Redacted and Changeling movies that lose it.

    Mass culture USED to tell guys how to behave to get the girl and win the day. It was fairly useful in the old society before the pill, condom, abortion, anonymous urban living, and improved earnings for women.

    Now, the ghost of mass culture lingers on, giving guys the wrong idea about women. Women have improved status so don’t want male peers, they DEMAND guys who are higher than them in pretty much most important ways.

    Which means nearly all men cannot be yourself. If you’re David Lee Roth, or Pete Wentz, or Colin Farrell, by all means be yourself. Women will hurl themselves at you. But for every other guy, they have to carefully and constantly monitor and measure everything they do, from how they walk, stand, dress, speak, look at people, and pretty much everything else. It’s a non-stop performance and very demanding, very hard for most men and a huge barrier for most guys being successful in Game.

    Lack of any real, meaningful messages for how to become a Class A jerk, has led men to at least in part abandon entertainment in favor of games (achieve by killing something) or the internet. I don’t have the cite but in 2003-4 there was a huge fight with Nielsen over the ratings, men disappeared and never came back. Nielsen stuck to their guns, the nets complained, but that was it.

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  228. What is your height? What is your weight? Do you suffer from any physical disabilities. How would you describe your facial features?

    I’m 5’8 or so and 135 lbs. I lack physical disabilities, and this is a slightly dated photo.

    You under estimate your abilities and skills, I suspect, by orders of magnitude so immense as to be simply damn cartoonish. But it makes you into a very interesting online persona…

    You would be pleasantly surprised. I tend to suck at everything that I do, or at best, I muddle through.

    Public works, low skill trades, maintenance, etc.

    Given that people generally complain about the high costs of public works projects in this country, I suspect that we may end up building less than what would be ideal for employment purposes, and there are policy wonks would would argue that this isn’t economically sound. And of course, you have a whole pool of people who think that you shouldn’t earn a living wage if unless you go to college due to their views of those people as too lazy to study and incompetent.

    Low skills trades and maintenance are compounded by the fact that high wages for these workers would cripple the profit margins of their employers, and there’s a whole pool of workers (illegal immigrants) who are cheaper and are deemed to have a superior work ethic.

    I used to be shy about spanking girls. Now it’s *thwack* and they giggle. The first time that happened the cognitive dissonance really bothered me.

    In every beta exists the beta penalty brake alarm which prevents beta males from acting in ways that are deemed to be boorish, uncivilized, and low class. Spanking comes across as something done by “rapists”, wife beaters, and creepy old men, and for beta males, sex isn’t about notions of dominance, but more like a mutual exercise regime with orgasm. In other words, you can’t be that type of man, and you’re supposed to be better that by avoiding such behaviour.

    Oddly, while the penalty brake would engage with spanking, I’m an ass grabber while making out, and I’m still haunted by the fact that I told my mistress that I wanted her to have my mulatto kid as I had unprotected sex with her, and that I didn’t care about the consequences. Or how she liked being fucked by a black man…

    On the side, I will note that you have captured, in your photos, some real degree of the splendor of the Red Line

    All hail, the Dirigiste State Subway. I enjoyed riding WMATA, and it is clearly one of my favourite systems. Hopefully, I’ll have more opportunities to explore America’s second largest metro system.

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  229. Basically you must, as I once did, come to realize that you’re actually an asshole and not such a nice guy after all.

    The asshole is to be purged. He is the rump of the inner nigger than must be destroyed and purged from the soul.

    Women fall in love, irrationally, with particular men, most of whom may happen to exhibit a certain set of traits you superficially see as the epitome of alphaness but what you miss are the outliers. significant ones, or even girls who fall well into the curve.

    I must admit, I can’t even think straight anymore, and the penalty brake has engaged. Your statement obviously cuts in the heart of my theory, but it still just doesn’t make sense to me, and I can’t process it or mentally digest it a way that can be understood. Hell, I can’t even form a cogent response to what you and PA have written, but it still doesn’t mesh with the years of dirty looks, being called beta or told that I have no charisma, or reading about cuckolds and women who cheat on their beta husbands with Roissy and other alphas.

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  230. You’re so deep in fan-boy denial it’s not even funny Thursday.

    So said the spaceman.

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  231. She wanted, yearned to, simply be wantonly manhandled without someone asking her permission.

    Fun Question: Was this one of those things that all men did back then too, or is it simply a beta male thing regardless of generation?

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  232. I haven’t been posting a lot lately because Whiskey, and especially Obs say it all for me. I tip my hat to both of these gentlemen. Keep up the magnificent work.

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  233. @David Alexander

    You are a good looking man. Your looks are not stopping you from getting women so you must feel very inadequate internally.

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  234. OK, now its time to jump back in.

    I’ve already addressed the crimefighting efforts on the part of Mayor Nutter here in Philly. Scroll back up a piece, you’ll see it, I addressed those comments to Whiskey.

    The reason why Black folks vote 99% Democrat is because of RACE-they still believe that the GOP is racist. Period, full stop. And until or unless the GOP takes it upon itself to do something about it, Black folks will ALWAYS vote for the Dems. Period.

    Now we can get all abstract and theoretical about it, but Race Matters to human beings because each race is a tribe, and human beings are a fiercely tribal lot. So there you go. If the GOP doesn’t address this issue head-on, they’ll never be able to peel off more than say, 5% of the Black Vote at any given election. And that’s that.

    Of course Dems play on the racial fears of Black folks in various ways wrt the GOP, just like the GOP plays on the racial fears of White folks, the vast majority of whom aint ever actually met anyone Black in their lives, or if they had they could count the number of face to face meetings on one hand. Playing to racial fears is Politics, American Style, and we all know it. We we make such a big deal about it when it comes to the Dems and pretty much go mum when it comes to the GOP is interesting to me, because both parties do it.

    Lemme back up Whiskey on his point, of course Brothas do what they do so they can maximize his Poon Potential, just like that Wall Street guy, and that guy in Politics, and that Rock Star guy. Any Man here who tries to deny that a huge chunk of why they get outta bed in the morning is so they can better position themselves to get access to the choicest cuts of Trim available to him, is a boldfaced liar-and one of the things that I love about livin’ in the hood, as opposed to the boonies, is that errthing is right in your face-RAW, uncut, uncensored, brutally real. All the Brothas know the deal, don’t believe me, ask them; spend time in the hood actually talking to real live Negroes, and see for yourself. A lot of Women have absolutely no problem at all w/what you do for a living, which goes back to what we all know but what Women still want face-Women are the gatekeepers to sex. They determine who will get lucky, and who will not. If they wanted to, they could decide that guys like Dave Alex was all the rage, and guess what-watch Men in droves start becoming railfan geeks in an effort to get some pussy, too. Women have tremendous sway over the sexual market, until they hit the wall, around 35 or so on average. They just refuse to take personal responsibility for it, but they’ll be forced to, as the products of their decisions come of age and begin to start really wreaking havoc on what’s left of our society.

    Speaking of Dave Alex…

    One of my sisters used to do a lot of modelling work. She had a real cool cat named Miguel who was her photographer, and even as she started to ascend into the higher ranks of modelling she insisted that he tag along as her personal photographer.

    I got the chance to hang with him a bit as a result of going to their photo shoots and fashions shows. I asked him how he got into it, what kind of gear he uses, etc, and his response amazed me.

    He told me that he got ALL his gear from pawn shops. Much cheaper and you can find really high quality stuff, he told me. In fact, though he did color work, his best stuff was black & white, really, really good stuff. He did an entire book on my sister in the latter format, now I’m a big fan of black & white photos. Take a wild guess what he did that work with?

    An old Pentax, I think it was a 35mm(?), w/a cheaper long lens, can’t remember the make and model. The guy had real talent and was able to improvise w/whatever he had on hand to do really great work.

    Something else. Miguel was literally swimming in Women-everytime he had to do a shoot, he would take his gear and wrap it round his neck, like those guys on NatGeo do? Kangol hat to the back, vest full of camera stuff, he really looked the part of a urban photographer-and Women ate it up! He was constantly meeting new Women, all the time. If I had a sliver of camera talent/skill, I wouldn’t be up here typing right now, I’d be into something serious w/a gal I’d picked up at a shoot somewhere.

    So, this is yet another reason why I say Dave Alex is not only a fool and a Coward, but he’s also obstuse in extremis. Photographers get laid something ungodly. Trust me.
    Apeman, here’s the thing about the Black Men fucking fatties issue that you bring up and that I have to ask about:

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that all you’ve said on the matter is true. Ok-why do you care about it? I mean, you’re not into Black chicks no matter what their size, right? For the most part, you’re into White gals. So what difference does it make to you who Black Men are fucking, especially since, per your theory (ha!), they’re fucking Women you wouldn’t be interested in anyway? I mean, its like me being interested in who’s fucking the typical flatassed Asian chicks-so what?

    Comments?

    O

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  235. — years of dirty looks

    Shit tests and bitch-shields. Standard female operating procedure. Never to be taken personally.

    By the way, I am certain my hetero credentials are intact, when I say that you are a good looking guy.

    — Your statement obviously cuts in the heart of my theory

    What got through all my earwax when I was first introduced to Game some 9 years ago, was when one of Ace’s alpha friends asked me: “you wanna be right, or you wanna be happy?”

    It was a breakthrough moment in my life.

    — Hell, I can’t even form a cogent response to what you and PA have written

    Again, remember — we men conceptualize, abstract, idealize, and worship Platonic Ideals. Women, in contrast with us, are simple creatures. They just love the dude they love.

    Is the edifice crumbling yet?

    — The asshole is to be purged. He is the rump of the inner nigger than must be destroyed and purged from the soul.

    I’ve pulled out the Primitive Slavic Thug on occasion or two. Good to have the Acestral Nuke handy when necessary. But ordinarily I am a good guy to be around.

    Was this one of those things that all men did back then too

    I’d say yes, though within the parameters of their social class.

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  236. If it’s about ratings, the A-Team got between 20 and 9 million viewers. Buffy got between 5.3 million and 3.7 viewers (highs/lows).

    Now, I don’t know about you, but last I looked 20 million > 5.3 million. About four times. And 9 million > 3.7 million, nearly 3 times.

    Even at his worst, Cannell drew far more viewers than Whedon ever did at his BEST. [Numbers from Wikipedia for both series.]

    So, the numbers say that TV execs don’t care about actual ratings, merely being in the cool club. This is not surprising since most of the nets lose money (only CBS and Fox are profitable year after year, CW is a money pit). And execs turn over faster than the fish at the local market.

    Dirk Benedict (from the Wiki entry): “It was a guy’s show. It was male driven. It was written by guys. It was directed by guys. It was acted by guys. It’s about what guys do. We talked the way guys talked. We were the boss. We were the God. We smoked when we wanted. We shot guns when we wanted. We kissed the girls and made them cry… when we wanted. It was the last truly masculine show.”

    Meanwhile a google search for “buffy feminism” picks up gazillion entries, 176,000 to be exact.

    Needless to say, I find it passing strange that a … Man … would find Buffy artful and the A-Team “crap.”

    Benedict’s stuff on Big Hollywood is riot. He certainly has some biting things to say about the kick-ass model phenomena on Battle-Girl Galactical.

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  237. Addendum, I blogged about the change of the guard in TV. Stephen J. Cannell (Last American Hero, Rockford Files, Wiseguy, A-Team, etc.) was old enough to recall WWII. He was an older generation when men were men, like the soldier in the photograph.

    Whedon, he’s new age. He came of age in the 1980’s. His dad and grand-dad, unlike Cannell who came up hardscrabble from Oklahoma, were both TV writers. His landscape was feminism, post-1960’s liberal crap, and pop culture, not the direct experience of hard times. The guys like Abrams, or Rob Thomas, same thing. They could not conceive of a time when the US might lose, catastrophically, a war. Or economic times were hard for decades. Or men were men, not fopped up popinjays having to act like clowns because that’s what women want.

    Cannell’s stuff, like fellow old-timer Bellisario (Magnum PI, NCIS, JAG) provided a template for the old days, when women were different. It’s no accident that the NCIS lead is the gray-haired Harmon, loner batchelor/divorced guy who is a man out of place and time. Or that JAG featured a guy who was a lawyer AND Captain America.

    Whedon’s stuff is fine if you are a chick. If you are a guy, however, he offers no model, no template, no “act this way and you’ll get love and sex.” It’s all post-modern irony. Without the biting observations of Larry David’s commentary on the eternal status competition among SWPL.

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  238. I liked the A-Team a lot in my newly-arrived-in-America early teens. That, and Three’s Company reruns had me hooked.

    But come on, all that machine-gun firing an no one ever was as much as scratched by a bullet?

    Shit. Those characters were recent Vietnam war vets, and they were young guys. Today that war is ancient history. I remember talking with youngish relatives back in Poland who remmebered the Nazi occupation. Most are dead now. Fuck, time flies.

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  239. The problem here is that the men you have both described are the alphas of their respective eras. The issue at hand is women’s view of their beta male husbands in each period, and my view has been that economic reasons is what propped up beta male marriages, and a marriage propped by economics is a failed marriage.

    PA pretty much covered this above at 12:01 am. I would add that more men were raised to be men in the 1940’s and 1950’s than today. Masculinity was respected and taught from father to son. It wasn’t suffocated and cast aside for feminism. For this and other reasons (often listed in whiskey’s posts) marriage was more successful in the past, and it wasn’t the beta fool’s paradise you make it out to be. A man had a decent chance of finding a loving, faithful wife and raising a good family. There was no guarantee, and the general behaviors we know as game were still required, but odds were much better.

    There are times where I feel that I just can’t, and that I’m just lacking in the creativity and intellectual power to create new and creative photography that can rival true artists. I’ll probably stick with it because sadly, it’s the best creative outlet that I have.

    Why do you constantly beat on yourself? Why is it “sad” that photography is your creative outlet? Why do you assume you’re less than someone else? I’ve never once gone out holding my camera thinking “it’s sad that this is my creative outlet…and I just lack the ability to express myself the way a true artist would.” That is beyond self defeating. Is this really how you think? WTF dude?

    Who do you admire or respect in the genres you’re focused on, street photography and rail photography? I’m curious to know what you’re aiming for, if you’re aiming for anything specific.

    Thumbing through your albums I wouldn’t call your work crap as you did above. Like in other areas, you’re too hard on yourself. If I may make an honest critique, the problem seems to be that few of the photographs really grabbed my attention. They weren’t crap, but the majority just didn’t grab me either. The most successful photographs do one of the following:

    * Show a place in such a way that you feel like you’re there or, even better, wish you were.

    * Capture and convey the emotion of a powerful or important moment.

    * Tell a story.

    * Force the viewer to question what’s happening in the scene, or what people are thinking in the scene.

    I enjoyed http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/v/landcity/DSC_0027_004.jpg.html. The subject’s pose creates mystery and leaves me wondering what her face looks like, what she’s thinking, why she’s there, etc. I also stopped on http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/v/landcity/DSC_0025_002.jpg.html because, again, I was left wondering about who he is, why he’s there, etc.

    I also stopped on and enjoyed these two:
    http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/v/rail/DSC_0061_003.jpg.html
    http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/v/rail/DSC_0382b.jpg.html

    Good composition, interesting lighting in the first and the feeling of being there in the second.

    I think this could be a powerful image without the people, or with just one person: http://www.lagrandeanse.com/gallery/v/rail/DSC_0003-2.jpg.html I would work that location, that specific shot, again.

    In general though, you need to start asking “Why am I shooting this? How can I best convey that thought or feeling to viewers?” And be brutal when you post to your gallery. Keep the numbers low, limited to your best work.

    Before you take my advice as a negative and beat yourself up with it, I’m basically saying that there’s no reason why you can’t grow and improve. I’ve seen work where my first thought was “this person will never cut it and they should sell their cameras.” I’m thumbing through yours thinking “he needs to focus and convey his thoughts/emotions better, and keep working scenes and themes, improving each time.” You could possibly also benefit from more work in post processing. (Never be afraid of post processing. All the greats used the darkroom, specific film emulsions, and filters to their advantage.)

    Be grateful you have photography (you could be crippled or blind), grab the camera, go out and work it. If you hate everything you come back with, toss it, go out, and work it again.

    Do you ever have problems with the police shooting rail? It’s not my thing, but I have friends who have complained about street and rail shooting and the harassment they get from cops.

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  240. I liked the A-Team a lot in my newly-arrived-in-America early teens. That, and Three’s Company reruns had me hooked.

    Looking back, I have two problems with Three’s Company. One is that the girls were always portrayed as being offended by sexual flirting as if they were “above” sex. That contributed a lot to my young delusions of women as other worldly beings of light. I needed to learn that they are carnal creatures who, when they are into you, wonder why you’re not grabbing their tits or spanking their asses. And if you “respect” them too long they will get bored and leave.

    Two, the men seemed to be portrayed as creepy (Larry) or as bumbling idiots (Jack), creatures that the women were either afraid of or shaking their heads at. Actually, I have this complaint about a lot of shows.

    Do posts with links require approval? I posted a response to DA but it had some links, and it never showed.

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  241. Shit tests and bitch-shields. Standard female operating procedure.

    I just realized that mom maybe running shit tests with her vague questions with no real right answer along with current and former female friends. Of course, that just makes shit test free porn more enticing…

    By the way, I am certain my hetero credentials are intact, when I say that you are a good looking guy.

    I’m too tired and mentally frustrated to come up with a beta retort that may possibly insult you and imply that you’re wrong.

    They just love the dude they love.
    Is the edifice crumbling yet?

    No, brain cells are repairing for the night awaiting rebuilding the edifice tomorrow, while a few stragglers are left in dark corners trying to fight off some rebellious thoughts that may infiltrate during sleep. That whole concept of women just loving the guy that they love doesn’t make sense even in light of perfectly sensible relationships of varying female friends and their non-alpha boyfriends. The only theory that makes some sense is the golddigger theory.

    I’d say yes, though within the parameters of their social class.

    One may want to explain more. I don’t see men in the 1950s being spankers or demanding of deep throating…

    I remember talking with youngish relatives back in Poland who remmebered the Nazi occupation.

    That’s the interesting part for a Caribbean immigrant like myself. Other than the cousin who thought Hitler was great and the rumours of the German submarine off the coast of my mom’s home town, I have no stories about World War II or any other war. Haitians basically sat out and watched everybody else go to war.

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  242. — I have two problems with Three’s Company. One is that the girls were always portrayed as being offended by sexual flirting as if they were “above” sex. That contributed a lot to my young delusions of women as other worldly beings of light.

    Excellent point.

    — Haitians basically sat out and watched everybody else go to war.

    They were smart or lucky, like the Swiss.

    — I don’t see men in the 1950s being spankers or demanding of deep throating

    Every generation thinks they invented sex.

    — No, brain cells are repairing for the night awaiting rebuilding the edifice tomorrow

    That’s a wild image. You would make a good sci-fi or surrealist writer. If you were 40 years older I’d suspect you wrote Pink Floyd’s “The Wall.”

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  243. I needed to learn that they are carnal creatures who, when they are into you, wonder why you’re not grabbing their tits or spanking their asses.

    For some beta males, they’re essentially holding out for blatant signs of attraction. In other words, unless a girl comes up to me and says, “I like you, please fuck me”, it’s likely that I’ll brush her off as being really nice or friendly despite what others (including women) have said. I remember the salon owner’s daughter used to smile whenever she’d walk near me*, and my dad would point out that she likes me while I’d brush such talk as silliness. Even with non-date, I’d dismiss her interest as crazy and absurd. Of course, receiving a text message about her crying at the birthday party you didn’t want to attend because you didn’t want to have anything to do with prole underage drunk white kids in the suburbs may be the sign that she does like you.

    And yes, there was a girl who openly admitted to liking me, but she ran shit tests of the “what should we do today variety”, and I bailed on her indecisive (and unattractive) ass.

    *She was admittedly a pretty Dominican girl, but I presumed that she’d want somebody less clumsy and more normal. She went on to get pregnant by some Hispanic guy who I suspect wasn’t like me. Of course, this leads one to question if beta withdrawal is why women turn to alphas instead of the magical women want alphas theory. In other words, did neglect by David Alexander and other men like him lead to her fooling around with “bad boys”. Is this why non-date stays attached to her younger boyfriend?

    Two, the men seemed to be portrayed as creepy (Larry) or as bumbling idiots (Jack)

    Jack came across as a bumbling fool which makes the show unwatchable, but even today, Larry comes across as a fun player without much antagonism.

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  244. on June 7, 2009 at 3:28 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    In theory, yes, but this is probably where my theory falls apart as I lump alphas together as one massive class that for simplicity’s sake equates Roissy with a celebrity.

    In other words, you are full of shit aka self-serving rationalizations.

    If this was a feminist blog, David Alexander would be the fat chick (sub 5) arguing that none of the other commenters should concern themselves with attracting men because “men only desire models and strippers.”

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  245. Two, the men seemed to be portrayed as creepy (Larry) or as bumbling idiots (Jack)

    Jack came across as a bumbling fool which makes the show unwatchable, but even today, Larry comes across as a fun player without much antagonism.

    Let me clarify: he was perceived as creepy, or maybe sleazy is a better word, by Janet and Chrissy. Nothing was serious or extreme on this show, so it’s not like viewers were supposed to be uncomfortable with Larry on the screen. He wasn’t the Lifetime male predator of the week or anything. But the girls clearly looked down upon Larry for his pursuit of women and sex.

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  246. “For some beta males, they’re essentially holding out for blatant signs of attraction. In other words, unless a girl comes up to me and says, “I like you, please fuck me”, it’s likely that I’ll brush her off as being really nice or friendly despite what others (including women) have said.”

    I’ve been at that stage. Most women are not going to walk up and say “please fuck me.” You have to learn the signs and push forward.

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  247. on June 7, 2009 at 4:07 am GNPs are for Apes

    Needless to say, I find it passing strange that a … Man … would find Buffy artful and the A-Team “crap.”

    Why are you promoting Thursday to the status of a Man? This person has not earned it.

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  248. on June 7, 2009 at 4:11 am GNPs are for Apes

    David UrkelZander looks exactly as I had imagined.

    But at least Urkel had the balls to try and get what he wanted, even at the cost of extreme humiliation.

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  249. on June 7, 2009 at 4:13 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    Ok-why do you care about it? I mean, you’re not into Black chicks no matter what their size, right?

    Because the willingness of black men to fuck obese women ensures that these women don’t put in the effort to make themselves beautiful. Thus, the quantity of beauty in the world drops.

    The 30 black women who are 9s and 10s could rise to a larger number, if black men starved the beasts, rather than fuck them regardless of their obesity.

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  250. Tobar the Apeman,
    Wow, you’re giving Black Men a whole heck of a lotta credit. Ok, work with me on this one:

    If what you say is true-that Black Men are basically making it possible to keep not only Black Women, whom they’re definitely having sex with, but also White Women, only a portion of whom they’re having sex with, fat/obese, it can only mean that Black Men have far and away MORE influence over White Women than Whitebread dudes like you.

    Now, that’s deep.

    And explains why you and apparently so many other geeky guys are running around squawking-not only can’t you get laid, but Black guys are snapping up the chicks you claim to not want.

    Wow.

    OK, lemme know if you see what I’m saying here?

    O

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  251. Amen Tupac, wrt Dave Alex.

    Dave Alex, another question:

    You have constantly stated that you don’t consider yourself normal and that any Woman can find someone better and more normal than yourself; and if they persist in their taking an interest in you, you would “bail on her ass”.

    Being that this is the case, why then donyou continue to speak about attracting high IQ and well connected Women? Why even speak of Women period? Wouldn’t it be illogical to do so, given your oft-repeated refrains of you not being normal, etc?

    Your response?

    O

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  252. Solved. Injected my eyeball with a cocaine and:
    DA – on Saturday night – works at Bar Mitzvah parties where “children become adults”. This enables him to scrutinize high-iq Ashkenazi folk up close.

    DA – get a dna test. You are probably jewish. Genes don’t lie. Or at least join a synagogue. not one of the black ones though.

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  253. DA has a facial similarity to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Check the photo of the young Clarence:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/us/politics/07affirm.html?_r=1&hp

    Clarence did well for himself. And married a chubby white. Hope for DA yet.

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  254. [email protected]
    Thank’s for posting your pic. You confirmed my theory
    ” Fun Question: Was this one of those things that all men did back then too, or is it simply a beta male thing regardless of generation?”

    My impression, from older guys, is that yes this is something most or all men knew back then. The one’s who didn’t simply got cheated on. As then, so too now, only to more absurd degrees.

    ” The asshole is to be purged. He is the rump of the inner nigger than must be destroyed and purged from the soul.”

    The asshole keeps surfacing, short of chemical castration or a self-performed surgery with a hot soldering iron, he will haunt you.

    Embrace him. Hug him. Take his hand and walk, both of you, hand in hand, into the dark side…
    It’s lighter there than you think.

    Besides, he’s not really an asshole anyway, just highly misunderstood.

    ” I must admit, I can’t even think straight anymore, and the penalty brake has engaged. Your statement obviously cuts in the heart of my theory, but it still just doesn’t make sense to me, and I can’t process it or mentally digest it a way that can be understood. Hell, I can’t even form a cogent response..”

    It does cut to the heart.

    Because it’s true.

    There’s really nothing physically wrong with you, and depending on how you present yourself. With a certain presentation you could be handsome. Symetrical face, you ain’t broke up looking, in other words.

    I’m certain that many of the women you encounter have thought you were cute. As you yourself put it, you basically find rationalizations (and tupac points out they are self serving ones) to deny reality even if it hits you in the face.

    Play with one thing. Look at it as a game. Play around with this, in your normal daily life, and see what happens. Pretend you are a scientist doing social research.

    Cultivate your eye contact. Your gaze. Look directly into everyone’s eyes, not just women, and find a much deeper human contact with them and just hold stronger eye contact. Not a glare or stare, but something more direct and vulnerable even.

    With girls, experiment, just for turds and little giggles. You are, after all, running an experiment

    Don’t face her directly at first, just sort of indirectly, like you would with a guy, but hit her with your eyes dead in her eyes, not a hard harsh glare, but a soft gaze. Blink normally but very rarely avert the gaze, maybe lazily look to the side for a few moments, and then hit her dead on. Pick an eye, her left or something, and just gaze.

    Don’t be unnatural about it, look away now and then, but in particular hold her gaze seconds more than comfortable…. Put the results in a journal, how people react, both men and women.

    Many years ago I discovered the powerful reactions people have to eye contact by accident. I was once sitting in a cafe and this hot artist stopped by my table and wanted to draw me. In the process we ended up locking gazes for a long time, she stopped drawing, got a strange nervous look on her face, and then hurridly finished the drawing and scurried away.

    When I looked at the drawing she scrawled a very intimate message on it. It was then that I realized what that look on her face was. Infactuation.

    She and I ended up becoming friends, but I never pursued anything else. She turned out to be, after all, just turned 16 (looked 23 though) and slightly (adorably though) feral.
    I knew I could “hit it”, not just because of the look perpetually on her face, but also what she wrote on the paper she gave me..

    While I could have tapped it, easily, I simply chose not to pursue it out of ethics…

    She made a great drinking buddy though. (I don’t corrupt minors, but if they are already corrupted…)

    Anyway her reaction surprised me. My reaction surprised me as well. I found myself astonishingly attracted to her. She was pretty, but something beyond that…

    But she was jailbait, albeit astonishingly beautiful, intelligent, and artistic.

    Besides, back then I suffered from David Alexander like delusions of my inadequacy.
    A pity.

    DA, you have constructed a no win scenario in your mind, any woman who does find you lovable is filtered out by this very fact because you have defined yourself thusly.

    Man. Thou art Sisyphus son of Aeolus.

    That’s it, I’m outie. Got to hit Chicago, one of my old cats is back in the country. We have years to catch up on.

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  255. DA is 25. My observation is that men don’t really come into their own until roughly 27/28 years of age. And the golden age is 27-40. The older and more masculine DA will be shit tested less – i think.

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  256. on June 7, 2009 at 4:21 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    Yes, black men tend to take an approach of quantity (fucking the fattest possible women, and that too three at once). White men take an approach of quality (fucking one woman, a 7 or higher).

    Roissy explained once how this had to do with the scarcity of sub-Saharan Africa, etc. My personal opinion is it is because black women tend to resemble the megafauna of Africa (elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros) in size, shape, color, and skin texture.

    Clarence Thomas chose a fat white woman. And he is blacker than you will ever be (as a Gullah, thus not mixed with white ancestry).

    You yourself have agreed, as per my 7:55 PM post, that black men prefer quantity (both of fat and number of fatties) over quality.

    I never complained about my personal situation. That you erect a strawman shows that you and I both know you have lost the argument.

    The fact is, black men are the reason black women do not care to become attractive. The 30 hot black women in America all put in the effort only because they specifically want non-black men (i.e. the men that require some level of looks).

    And now, lower-class white women are following suit, as they can each be one of the 3 fatties the average black guy wants to fuck.

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  257. on June 7, 2009 at 8:36 am Anonymous
    DA has a facial similarity to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Check the photo of the young Clarence:

    You took the words out of my mouth. When I look at Thomas’s pic today I said to myself that he resembles DA.

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  258. on June 7, 2009 at 5:20 pm GNP is a Nerd

    GNP,

    The “Obese-dian” nickname really is nowhere near as funny and clever as you have convinced yourself it is. The more enjoyment you get from using that corny nick, the more you reveal yourself as a lifelong nerd. I can picture you giggling to yourself each time you type it, and it’s really not a good look.

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  259. default user I am sure that as many women would swoon over the 70-year old craggy Sean Connery as the boyishly handsome Tom Cruise.

    i have an issue with Connery but he does give off a very manly aura even at his very advanced age.

    btw, please stop flirting with aoefe. You are making me very jealous 😦

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  260. Bhetti

    Hmm, why just shares? I’m sure you’d be the guy for most aspects of the job

    The default option no doubt.

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  261. chic noir

    btw, please stop flirting with aoefe. You are making me very jealous.

    How could I ignore the wonderful cutie that gave us the noir posting style?

    *default sees chic noir post*
    *default flirts with chic*
    *chic flirts back*
    *chic (hopefully) turns 😦 into 🙂 *
    * :mrgreen: banished*

    [no *dead faint* this time]

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  262. After a trip to the apothecary and purchasing and consuming a bottle of choice laudanum i revise my solution:
    a Catholic confirmation class, service or celebration.

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  263. *aoefe sees she stepped on the scene at the exact wrong time*
    *aoefe steps out of the room so the moment won’t be disturbed*
    *aoefe hopes, like default, the 😦 goes to 🙂 *
    *aoefe copies noir style in homage to noir* 😉

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  264. aoefe, chic noir

    All 😦 turned to 🙂 no :mrgreen:

    *group hug*

    *default 😀 *

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  265. Tood-

    The way it works with me is that I’ll go down to a 6. ( I can’t say I’d throw up at the idea of doing a non fat 5, but it’s sort of “why”?) What I really am attracted to are 8’s and 9’s. As between them I’m almost indifferent. Well not quite, but the diff is mostly arm candy kind of thing. Impressing other people.

    As between them, I care more about sexual hunger, compatibility (even for short term, it’s just more fun), interest (is there something new to me or exotic about her?), intelligence (up to a fairly high point), funness, and so on. I can also get into 7’s if they have a lot of these later things. 6’s are a stretch.

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  266. Doug — Simon misses the issue.

    Blacks were not always criminal, and while criminality was always higher than among Whites, not the epidemic it was now, in fact far lower, so low that Blacks who came of age under Segregation told Obama they longed for those times because it was safer (Audacity of Hope).

    What changed was the constant competition for women based on being a thug. Lauren London, a Black actress, was honest in her love of violent thugs. Men without mercy. Because there is no power greater than deciding who lives or dies.

    Black men are criminals because it gets them laid. THEY have the power, right then and there, to decide who lives and who dies.

    NOTHING trumps that. Not money, not dependability, not loyalty, not faithfulness, nothing. And Black women don’t need that anyway, because they either have their own middle class jobs, or Welfare. Black women don’t act any different than White British women of the under and middle class, most of whom replicate the Black Ghetto pattern of three kids with different fathers.

    Baltimore is a violent, Lord of the Flies pithole, because women predictably sleep with the guys who have the most power. The power to decide who lives or dies. A low level crack dealer living with his mother who has less money than a fry cook at McDonalds has more power than a Police Chief because the former can decide, right then and there, who lives and dies.

    Simon’s full of it. People don’t “turn evil” like a Joss Whedon character, and you don’t get that sort of ever-increasing violence over generations without huge rewards built into it. Feeling “abandoned” is just his own status-mongering White yuppie guilt. Violence is hugely risky (you can get shot and killed) but the payoff (lots and lots of sex with women) is huge.

    So you get more of it. Simon has to close his eyes to reality to make up pretty lies. About 90% of what men do is related to women. Duh.

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  267. Chic Noir

    Chic @Default: btw, please stop flirting with aoefe.

    “Please” ain’t gonna cut it in matters of love and war, unless MAYBE there’s been a prior rock solid commitment.

    War’s the only answer Chic.

    A flirt war with aeofe over Default!!

    (My e-flirting around here has clearly been eclipsed. *sigh*)

    (At least temporarily. There’s still fight in this ‘ol dog. You hear that DA? Fight. It’s what does the body and soul of a man good.)

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  268. a Catholic confirmation class, service or celebration

    Sherlock, sadly, you are still far off, and I am already confirmed. 🙂

    And no, despite crushes on several Jewish women and speech therapy lessons with an old Jewish woman, I am not Jewish.

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  269. Doug1 leaned back, stared coolly, and warned:

    (My e-flirting around here has clearly been eclipsed. *sigh*)

    (At least temporarily. There’s still fight in this ‘ol dog.

    Not war. Please Not war.

    Look, war is fine until it gets out of hand. But whatever happens let’s not get thuggish. My shift as McDonald’s manager start in an hour.

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  270. Whiskey–

    Simon’s [original book author and creator of The Wire] full of it. People don’t “turn evil” like a Joss Whedon character, and you don’t get that sort of ever-increasing violence over generations without huge rewards built into it. Feeling “abandoned” is just his own status-mongering White yuppie guilt. Violence is hugely risky (you can get shot and killed) but the payoff (lots and lots of sex with women) is huge.

    Yes Simon is full of it but so are you.

    One can get a lot more and hotter women by having and exercising power in different ways, in the vast majority of circumstances.

    Actors in community theaters or off off broadway plays can get more pussy than most ghetto gangsta hoods. For that matter so does Roissy. In the ghetto it’s the slick pimps who yes occasionally use violence or the threat of it (styles vary) but rarely kill anyone who are getting more pussy than the hitman.

    You’re always full of it Whiskey. You’re an intelligent guy but also very dark and bitter in a smart and sublimated way. You have all these interesting insights and reliably seize upon some of the more interesting things about what others have said, make some valid contributions, and then proceed to go off the rails. Nearly every freakin time. That it seems to me is how all the alphas around here view you, and a lot of the less totally dark betas as well.

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  271. You took the words out of my mouth. When I look at Thomas’s pic today I said to myself that he resembles DA.

    Darlin’, I look nothing like that man. The only thing that we share in common is our Catholicism, which serves as an excellent excuse for looking for a white girl…

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  272. I thought you were helping out the priest in a confirmation class.
    (which i think is a stepping stone to adulthood in catholicism)
    my reputed IQ is overrated. it’s all about stimulants and “inspiration”. work’s great in the stories. real life – useless.

    “somewhere that turns children into grown ups”
    chic noir, help me out. watson’s passed out on the floor. man’s a degenerate drug addict! and DA’s life is a cryptic crossword clue.

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  273. I thought you were helping out the priest in a confirmation class.

    Given that most confirmations are done during the Church Easter season, and CCD classes are winding down for the year, it’s nearly impossible for David to be assissting a priest with a confirmation class. Secondly, David is much too beta and barely religous to teach CCD.

    DA’s life is a cryptic crossword clue.

    Try harder, Sherlock. Again, it’s a place where people grow up.

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  274. doug Actors in community theaters or off off broadway plays can get more pussy than most ghetto gangsta hoods
    *shakes head in agreement with doug*
    Even men like Mick Jagger and Prince who besides fame are so over the top effeminate. They get women. I’ve seen some male Baristas pull women. The men make coffee for Christ sakes. Male Bartenders pull women. Could it be that these types of men are more right brained and therefore find it easer to interact with women?

    Barack and Clinton aren’t thugs so why do they have women throwing themselves at them? Is it not the calming aura and “you are the only one who matters” emotion that they seem to give off. Bill Clinton seems like the type who can get along with anyone. Barack too. Bush comes across as the type who would get along well with men, but can go either.

    doug You’re always full of it Whiskey. You’re an intelligent guy but also very dark and bitter in a smart and sublimated way

    *gives doug a gin and tonic*
    Whiskey is making himself miserable 😦 and I don’t find it amusing. He keeps repeating the same stuff over and over again. I have a feeling that he thinks this stuff when he approaches women. Is it any wonder he is having trouble pulling women when he has such a self defeatist attitude?

    Even my older brother has had girlfriends. He is very nice looking but he has autism/spectrum. He has trouble communicating with people or expressing the proper emotions at the right time.

    I’ve seen men with far fewer resources than Whiskey who not thugs, have wives or girlfriends who love them.

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  275. Is that how the Jews did it? Is that how Koreans did it? Is that how the Chinese are doing it right now?

    They cheated by having high IQ and high conscientiousness.

    Clarence did well for himself. And married a chubby white. Hope for DA yet.

    I happen to like chubby white girls and petite white girls. The chubby white girl is at maximization point where she’s still pretty, but not ravaged by obesity, her ass and tits are slightly larger than average, and she can be a good cuddle and hug partner.

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  276. Well, if I’m full of it then WHY is there so much violence in the Black American Ghetto, and British White underclass?

    Violence vastly increased from times before, within living historical memory? Within in fact, fifty years?

    Why?

    You’ve offered nothing but ad-hominem attacks, thereby validating the argument I put forward. You evade the issue (it’s irrelevant if Upscale White actors off-Broadway do in fact have more sex than Ghetto hoods, unlikely since most of them are GAY). Black Ghetto men have only Black Ghetto women to pick and choose from.

    They follow paths, reliably that maximize their sex. Indeed, nearly any Ghetto thug killed reliably has at least three kids by different women. This accounts for the fact that despite:

    *Being a street thug pays less than Fast Food.
    *Being a street thug runs considerable risks of imprisonment and violence, including death.
    *Relatively few street thugs rise to positions of monetary power where they have great big houses and the like.

    Most Black men in the Ghetto turn to street thugging, or leave.

    Why? Duh. Because women go to the guy with the most power. In the Ghetto (or White British Underclass) that’s the thug.

    Your argument: I should care what you think of me, either way, is female and/or beta. Why in fact should I care about you liking me or hating me? You’re a guy on the Internet. Neither you (nor I) matter one bit. No one is “Alpha” on the internet, or beta either. Not even DA, or Roissy.

    In 1955, it was common for parents in East London to leave doors unlocked, and kids could play outside all day. The same thing was common in South Side Chicago. Now that’s unthinkable and parents dont exist, merely baby mommas and daddies in both places. That doesn’t just happen. My explanation: female hypergamy, hard-wired, makes sense and is consistent with the observed response PUA get in the field and historical data.

    My advice to you would be to drop the White Knight syndrome.

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  277. Apeman,
    Your “theories” are hilarious, I’m not even offended at them because they’re so ridiculous-but OK. Let’s assume for sake of argument that all that you’ve said is correct.

    Again: WHY do you care who Black Men fuck? What’s it to you? You’re not attracted to Black Women in any event, nor are you attracted to plus-sized White Women-so why the concern? What gives? What is up with that?

    I mean, its like me going on and on about why White guys fuck Asian gals. So what? I’m not even attracted to Asian Women for the most part, so the issue doesn’t even come up on my radar screen. But with you, this issue really seems to hold some kind of importance for you. What is it?

    And your weaseling out of answering my personal question to you reveals that the last time you got some pussy was when the Hubble telescope was first launched into space. Because no one can ever hear you discuss, based on your personal, direct, in the field, experience, about GAME.

    But I could be wrong. You’ll kindly correct me.

    Looks like you got ‘splainin’ to do Apey…

    😉

    O

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  278. on June 7, 2009 at 8:45 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The “Obese-dian” nickname really is nowhere near as funny and clever as you have convinced yourself it is.

    Oh, yes it is. Far more clever than anything a buttshit like you could concoct.

    You must be another black dude who specializes in fucking three fatties at once. For you, 300 lbs is entry level, and 600 pounds is preferred. You are an ‘Obese-dian’ too.

    You are still smarting from the time I tricked you into providing me with the Chris Rock clip that proved my point and resulted in your own embarassment.

    heh heh heh.

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  279. Chic — As I said to Doug1, in 1955 it was common in South Side Chicago, in Atlanta, in Dallas, in Harlem, and in East London, all thug-ridden pitholes today, for crime to be fairly low, kids to play outside, and the nuclear family be the rule not the exception.

    Despite vast increases in rights (Jim Crow is gone), wealth (nearly every ghetto place has a plethora of gadgets and obesity not starvation is a problem) and opportunity (Affirmative Action slots for those with good grades and clean records) crime is higher than ever.

    It’s not physical want. It’s not Jim Crow. It’s not a foreign invasion. It’s not lack of opportunities: SC recruits HEAVILY in South Central starting at Jr. High. They are not alone either.

    It’s a system that REWARDS criminal behavior despite the risks. Being shot is no fun. Being shot at is no fun. Risking death every day is no fun. Earning almost nothing is no fun. Nobody puts a gun to people’s head and makes them join gangs. People can always run away, move, etc. It’s not a police state and bus fare can always be scrapped up.

    What else could it be? Duh. Women. You can’t get millions of guys volunteering for poverty and violence unless they get something out of it. Greater than their risks. And it’s not money.

    You don’t like it because it’s ugly. For both men and women. Well, duh.

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  280. on June 7, 2009 at 8:50 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    WHY do you care who Black Men fuck? What’s it to you?

    How many times do we have to go over this? It is because black men DRAG DOWN THE STANDARDS OF ALL WOMEN’S LOOKS, due to not being selective enough to refrain from fucking fatties.

    Read it again and again if necessary. It is quite simple.

    You’re not attracted to Black Women in any event

    I said that I find 30 of them to be hot. Don’t confuse me with Willard Libby (who says zero black women are hot).

    And your weaseling out of answering my personal question

    I didn’t weasel out. I answered it. You didn’t like my answer, because you can’t handle the fact that non-black men have a floor below which they will not go. Look how doug1 said he would not go below a 7 or 6 or whatever.

    My game is pretty good, and I certainly get higher quality pussy than you. I certainly get less quantity than you, because you fuck a large number of black women (almost all of whom are obese).

    So you win on quantity, I win on quality.

    The question of whether it is better to fuck one 8, vs. five 1s, will have different answers depending on whether the man answering is white or black. A white man would prefer one 8, while a black man would prefer five 1s.

    Didn’t you see the last ‘Beta of the Month’ article?

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  281. on June 7, 2009 at 8:57 pm GNPs are for Apes

    doug1, whiskey,

    What is telling is that despite the ‘racism’ of ‘AmeriKKK-a’, we never, ever see black people voting with their feet and leaving the US for a country – any country – that would treat them better.

    Where is there any evidence of black emigration out of the US, and into Canada, the UK, Sweden, Jamaica, South Africa, Liberia? Liberia was a country created for exactly this purpose, after all. Yet, look at how good of a society they created in Liberia?

    Millions of Mexicans come here at great personal risk just to work at the bottom of the skill ladder. Yet blacks are ‘mistreated’?

    As US citizens, they can easily immigrate to any other developed country in the world, as well as any black-run country. But I don’t see them voting with their feet.

    That says it all….

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  282. whiskey (it’s irrelevant if Upscale White actors off-Broadway do in fact have more sex than Ghetto hoods, unlikely since most of them are GAY).
    also not true. There are plenty of off broadway actors who are str8.

    whiskey Black Ghetto men have only Black Ghetto women to pick and choose from.
    not true, some of them parade around White and Latino women.
    they still pull women, look at lurker’s comment from two days ago.

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  283. btw, it’s not a personal attack doug(or I) was giving you.
    What I think he was trying to put fourth is you’re starting to look like the Angry WM version of DA.

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  284. Re: DT

    Rail photography developed in connection with my interest with trains, and I’ve been taking train photos for at least 6 years. Of course, once I switched from film to digital with my D50 in 2006, the number of photos picked up, and the quality did as well since it was much easier to test and play around since there was immediate feedback. Street photography developed because I ended up walking around Manhattan and Hoboken, and as I walked around, I’d frame stuff in my mind, and I somehow developed a need to photograph it.

    As for your choices from my oeuvre, the first photo was quite possible the only photo from that day that turned out the way that I expected on a railfan trip. The lighting was pretty much crap in nearly every station, and a lot of stuff just wasn’t exposed or composed correctly. As for the second, I generally seem to stumble upon sleeping homeless men from time to time, and they tend to make for great photos, especially if they’re in an area that seems luxurious. The third photo isn’t a favourite of mine, and I cheated via some post-processing in Lightroom. The fourth photo isn’t a personal favourite either, and I prefer some of the others in that “series”. The fifth photo wasn’t up to my high standards, and I’m amazed that I even bothered uploading it.

    You could possibly also benefit from more work in post processing.

    Actually, I solved one of the bottlenecks by purchasing a cheap (but used) dual core CPU, which makes using Lightroom much easier since it’s not as slow and thus, less frustrating to use.

    Do you ever have problems with the police shooting rail?

    Not personally, but I tend to scope out for cops before shooting to avoid creating an incident which can sometimes create rushed shots that aren’t ideal. I know of a number of railfans who have been harassed, and a few have been arrested including an railway employee even though photography is still legal.

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  285. whiskey

    You don’t like it because it’s ugly. For both men and women. Well, duh.

    No, I don’t like it whiskey becaue I think you’re selling yourself short.
    You have plenty of good qualites, or at least your eperson does so why are you having trouble meeting women? Why about online dating, have you tried that?

    Earning almost nothing is no fun.
    for artist it sometimes is. some of those guys swim in women 24/7.

    Nobody puts a gun to people’s head and makes them join gangs. People can always run away, move, etc. It’s not a police state and bus fare can always be scrapped up.

    How far can a 16 year old move? It’s not the 1940’s(no equafax) when it was pretty easy for a person to move around. Can a 16 year rent a room or get a job without his parents permission?
    Some adults,low wage earners, are so broke they don’t have money for a security deposit and first months rent. Their rent takes up 50-75% of their income. they are a few paychecks away from being homeless.

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  286. Chic Noir–

    *gives doug a gin and tonic*
    Whiskey is making himself miserable 😦 and I don’t find it amusing. He keeps repeating the same stuff over and over again. I have a feeling that he thinks this stuff when he approaches women. Is it any wonder he is having trouble pulling women when he has such a self defeatist attitude?

    Make mine a whiskey sour (even though I am a NE wasp) if I’m going on the sweet side on a lazy summer afternoon (Jim Beam is fine and dandy for that), otherwise a single malt wettened a touch. Laphroig if you’ve got it, otherwise Glenfiddich will do nicely. Course down in the islands gotta go with one rum concoction or another. In southern Cali or Texas (where one of my bros now lives) Tequila concoctions are in synch with the local flava and are something I like. (We’re doing hard liquor here only.)

    But thank you.

    Yeah. I’m certain that if Whiskey isn’t handicapped in some terrible way (which wouldn’t totally preclude things either but would change them), he’s smart enough, has enough drive, and is talented enough in his writing and no doubt other things that he could get a very nice looking and acting woman, at least.

    Over the last week, since I’ve been challenging this total beta blackout idea around here, I’ve been looking at girls in the 4-6 range on the streets of NYC etc. Normally I at least don’t pay much attention to girls who aren’t at or above or at most a step or two down from the level I can pull, so I don’t usually notice them much. The urban environment requires a lot of filtering out to prevent sensory overload, at least from conscious focus.

    To the meme around there that there’s a terrible scarcity of girls in the 4-6 range who aren’t also obese or at least fat, I say phaawww. Not on the streets of NY, midtown and downtown there isn’t. Not at all. And they’re walking around with non alpha looking guys all the freakin time.

    Go out and get some.

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  287. There might be three Broadway actors who are straight. Triumph the Insult Comic Dog’s visit to the Tony Awards (with the Gaydar 5000) was … pretty funny. Particularly since the guys there were not particularly staged. As bizarre as the Michael Jackson fans or the Star Wars geeks.

    Most Ghetto Black guys don’t have much interaction with Middle/Upper class White/Latina women. In SoCal, the Mexican-Salvadoran-Black three-way war for territory and so on makes that interaction highly questionable and always dangerous.

    In clubs and such on the West Side, Upper Class Black guys do quite well, they are generally tall, dark, handsome, muscular, and also sophisticated. There are not, however, that many of them. There are the smattering of pro Athletes, usually with an entourage to keep combative fans away and hang out.

    LA is quite segregated. Only New Orleans came close, with very definite White/Black social areas.

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  288. doug Not on the streets of NY, midtown and downtown there isn’t. Not at all. And they’re walking around with non alpha looking guys all the freakin time.

    Make mine a whiskey sour
    funny enough
    I was thinking of giving you a whiskey&coke but I said how ironic would that be. Doug is fussing out Whiskey while drinking a whiskey.

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  289. *opps*

    doug1 Not on the streets of NY, midtown and downtown there isn’t. Not at all. And they’re walking around with non alpha looking guys all the freakin time
    I do too doug. Somethind tells me Whiskey’s defeatest attitude has gotten into his head and is a serious inpediment to him finding a woman.

    to whiskey from chic noir: How come I can see all of these good traits that you have but the women around you can’t ? Do you see the post where Mu asked me about dating a beta? Did you see what I wrote about you?

    I’ve never met you a day in my life yet there are things I like about you. Yet the women who are around you on a daily bases pass you over for inferior men. BTW, I come from a neighborhood that’s has a few thugs some home come I’m not out running around with them?

    BTW, doug and I aren’t picking on you for the fun of it but we notice that you have your own DA way of seeing things. We won’t you to push past it.

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  290. LA is quite segregated. Only New Orleans came close, with very definite White/Black social areas.

    Oddly, that’s why I’m stuck here in the New York City area. It’s the only place that I can feel safe enough to find other white friends. Otherwise, I’d have to go Canada, and I’d miss having electrified mainline railways in Canada…

    Not on the streets of NY, midtown and downtown there isn’t. Not at all. And they’re walking around with non alpha looking guys all the freakin time.

    But those women aren’t sexual looking! OTOH, their skankier guidette suburban counterparts are a bit more attractive, IMHO and they have nails…

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  291. whiskey There might be three Broadway actors who are straight

    strawman argument whiskey.

    Don’t you guys have neighborhood theaters in SoCal? Small little groups of actors who put on plays for rent money, entertainment, curtail boredom, and the cool factor.

    Something tells me that even if I gave you a 10 who was perfect at anything &everything you would think of a reason to push her away. I can see you know, packing her bag to send her home. When I asked you why did you pack her bag, you would say something like, “It was only a matter of time before she left me for a ghetto thug or some white British underclass thug on vacation.”

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  292. Chic —

    I have no complaints about women on my own account. Oh I’ve pulled dumb moves, probably letting the best ones get away, out of misguided White Knight-ism, pulling dumb beta moves with others, and still worse, getting involved with the worst ones.

    But I’m utterly, utterly average. I suspect my experience with women mirrors that of most men here. Excluding Roissy and DA.

    However, I live in this society and I can clearly see disaster coming. Like a freight train roaring down the track. It won’t matter one damn bit if DA, or Roissy, or myself, or any other guy here is either rolling in women or suffering a drought. It matters a lot if *most* guys succeed or fail. What ticks me off the most is seeing all these nice young guys I work with, totally at sea with women. Just opting out, going Galt like DA.

    FWIW, I had my BEST success with women almost dead flat broke, Substitute teaching, in great shape, taking off mid-week for skiing (great for picking up girls on the lifts) in Winter (Mountain High is the Worst, Snow Summit the best), or working the photographer angle. I for years befriended struggling local bands, I enjoyed taking their pics, gave them free copies (and sometimes negatives), and used that to pick up girls. Not the hottest chicks, or highest quality, but it was easy. Girls as attractive as me, fun, nice, and so on. [The WORST girls I ever went out with were from work. Without question. Teachers are terrible, and professional women almost as bad.]

    By contrast, suited up, at the club, decent shape, and earning considerably more money … nada.

    The difference is social proof. Being friends with the band is like a stamp from God. DA could do that and pull girls easy. I did it. It’s not rocket science.

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  293. OK Apeman, this is really hilarious. Lemme get this straight:

    The reason why you’re so put out by who Black Men fuck, is because their fucking fat and/or ugly Black Women (we’re not even talking about White Women), they therefore have a direct impact on the fattening of White Women?!

    White Man, are you serious?

    That has got to be thee most scatterbrained idea, theory or notion I’ve heard yet here at Roissy’s. I’m even willing to go so far as to see that I doubt he even would go along w/that one.

    Whew. You’re giving Brothas way too much credit-and worse, it means that you Whitebreads are toast, because you can’t even keep your Women in line…or in shape.

    Now, lets move to your next point.

    You say that you bang more *quality* Women while I bang more Women period, usually 1s. Of course, you cannot confirm who I sleep with, but again, for the sakeof argument, I’m game, let’s play along.

    Alright Apey, question: how often do you get laid in a year? More, or less than 12 times? For me, I’d say at least 4 times that number, just off the top of my head. Im doing a quick calculation because I tend to do all my fucking between Fri and Sun nights and I rarely miss a weekend. And, if I were to count each night in said weekend…hang on, lemme grab up my calculator…

    OK, so 3 nights a week times 4, that comes out to 12, times 12, that comes out to 144 times a year, on average, that I get laid. And I’ve done this for more years than I care to count.

    So, again, I ask you Apeman: how often do you get laid, and we’ll again, allow for the fact that you supposedly get 8s and above? Over or under 12 times in a year?

    Holla back

    O

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  294. Chic — There are not many local theater groups here in SoCal or indeed the state that are not Gay. In fact, the gay power is so strong that the only straight theater director in the State (a Mormon in Sacramento) was fired for donating to Prop 8 (people searched the records).

    The Gay Kristalknacht of closet Mormons in the entertainment field has been quite a sight to behold.

    As for women in general, on reflection with a certain type of girl, I can consistently pull ABOVE my weight in attraction and status for a while. I just can’t keep them. I can think of two girls in particular who were slender, absolutely Greek goddess perfect, deep blue eyes, brunette, highly intelligent, funny as hell. I pulled them with a performance towards their arty-girl likes.

    I just couldn’t KEEP them because I acted like myself once I was with them. Instead of keeping the performance going. Lost both to guys a lot uglier than me, but heavier on the macho.

    Who cares about tens? A woman is either beautiful or she’s not, perfection is boring, give me a funny, intelligent 6-7 over 9-10. The latter generally coast on their looks and are boring.

    FWIW teachers are the most kinky, decadent women on earth. You would not believe.

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  295. whiskey But I’m utterly, utterly average.

    okay problem number one whiskey. Don’t have this type of thinking in your head when you approach women. You don’t have to say it for a woman to feel it.

    two: you may be average in looks(i have not seen a pic) put you certainly aren’t average in other areas. Do you put a little effort into how you look? Are you a neat dresser, do you have a nice haircut?
    Most of the people I come across, even in NYC are pousers and dumb as a bag of rocks. I’m sure you can make up points with your intellect.

    You are knowledgeable in Art, Jazz, rail fanning ( which may equal travel), and computers. Why aren’t you able to connect with women on these issues? Women love to travel or hear about travel stories. Do you have any fun stories you can tell a woman? Once you get her giggling and laughing and relaxed around you, she will feel comfortable around you and will agree to go out on a date with you.

    Haven’t you had single women ask you for advice on computers? All of those girls who like the way a Mac looks but aren’t sure about spending the money on a Mac. Why not offer to help her choose a good model and sweet talk your way into a date. Don’t appear too needy or desperate. Holds the right amount of male authority in your voice without being overbearing and most important appear confident.

    Oh I’ve pulled dumb moves, probably letting the best ones get away, out of misguided White Knight-ism,
    I’m not sure I understand where you’re going here^^^.

    What ticks me off the most is seeing all these nice young guys I work with, totally at sea with women.
    What type of expectations do they have for women? Looks,education etc…

    below is one of your favorite songs? You have good taste in music.

    So why not hang out with a local band on the weekend every so often? Do you still ski, why not pick up women on the slopes?

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  296. on June 7, 2009 at 10:09 pm GNP is a Nerd

    Oh, yes it is.

    “Nuh UH!!! It IS clever!!!! *snicker* *snort!*”

    Fucking NERD.

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  297. David Alexander

    But those women aren’t sexual looking!

    They are to me, so long as they aren’t fat.

    If the world suddenly lost all it’s 9’s-7’s, I’d be happily banging 6’s. Hell I have, quite a lot of them. I’d move it down to 5’s no doubt. Can’t say a slim 4, in those circumstances, wouldn’t get done by me when drunk also.

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  298. David Alexander–

    BTW, I can’t get 10’s.

    They’re locked out for me.

    Well, I haven’t met very many 10’s. Those that I have have been paired with a guy who’s sex appeal I couldn’t touch.

    I might theorize how on this level or that I could argue I’m better, but overall sex appeal? Nope. Not in a way really, really hot women would judge successful.

    But could it ever happen, by some fluke? Yeah. Well it could have, when I was younger. Now, not likely. As in it won’t, ever. More die cast.

    Am I unhappy for that reason?

    HELL NO!!!!

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  299. WHISKEY FWIW teachers are the most kinky, decadent women on earth. You would not believe.
    *smiles like chester cheater*
    Owwww Whiskey sounds like you’ve done freaky things.

    *moves ear to whiskey’s lips*
    whenever you are ready to spill, I am all ears.

    Whiskey I can consistently pull ABOVE my weight in attraction and status for a while. I just can’t keep them. I just couldn’t KEEP them because I acted like myself once I was with them. Instead of keeping the performance going

    Ah ha, and here is the problem with simply learning game. You need to become the beast(not just ape it)or “game” doesn’t work long term. Good for men who want short term B&D problematic for men who are looking for long-term relationships.

    So then the question becomes, are most men willing to make changes in their personalities for the long term?

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  300. Re: Doug

    Like I said, maybe it’s me, but the Manhattan girls aren’t sexually attractive to me. They’re beautiful, but I just can’t imagine having sex with them. In contrast, some guidettes from the NYC Metro burbs are downright attractive and scream fuck me. Besides, suburban girls have nails. 🙂

    As for having sex with 10s, one could argue that you can get nines which is close enough, and it’s the equivalent of a Nissan GT-R owner complaining that he doesn’t own a Ferrari. But in all seriousness, why doesn’t it bother you that you can’t secure that ultimate rank of women? It doesn’t eat away at you in any form and it doesn’t remind you that your status isn’t at the height of other men?

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  301. on June 7, 2009 at 10:40 pm Virginia Gentleman

    chic noir: Having an interest in rail transportation can mean a lot of things, from building and detailing models about the size of a finger to understanding the current econometric pressures concerning the real world carriers, i.e. the Norfolk Southern, the regionals and short lines. It’s a huge field, and I’ve found that very few people who aren’t interested to begin with will accept, much less appreciate, an interest in the field, especially women. I’ve run into exactly three who actively listened to my remarks on the subject: one who would have listened to me read the phone book, one who was probably after me for various reasons and one at a job I had who was an SWPL type, excited because I mentioned the environmental efficiencies that rail transport provided.

    I have yet to find one who actively gives two hoots about the travel potential offered by Amtrak or VIA Rail Canada. “Go through some of the best scenery in North America by a slow-moving and intimate means of travel, all while waited on hand and foot by courteous train crew? No thanks; I’d rather take Southwest or Ryanair” seems to characterize the type of response. It’s rather puzzling.

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  302. Virginia Gentleman, thanks for the details.

    one at a job I had who was an SWPL type, excited because I mentioned the environmental efficiencies that rail transport provided.

    You were demonstrating flexibility of knowledge game. This is how I’m trying to get whiskey to use his IT knowledge. He must use everyday language that the average person can understand in a way that will appeal to them.

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  303. I have yet to find one who actively gives two hoots about the travel potential offered by Amtrak or VIA Rail Canada.

    Virginia Gentleman, I’m in the railfan community, and I’d argue that normal people tend to be interested from a historical aspect in terms of its effect on greater society, and as you stated, environmental effects and planning with SWPL types. It’s hard to discuss the technical specs of a light rail car or locomotive with anybody outside of the hobby, and explaining the travel benefits is hard given that most travel is really about the destination, and rarely the trip there. To somebody who’s ideal vacation is a sex and drug fueled trip in the Caribbean or Cancun, Amtrak would be a bore, especially when it takes considerably longer to get to the destination. Even in the railfan community, I know of some railfans who have basically gone cross continent several times on VIA and Amtrak while others can’t even tolerate thinking about a similar trip despite the scenery. Amtrak LD and freight have it’s place, but I’m into passenger stuff like metro, light rail, and commuter rail systems, and I’d rather learn about the AEM-7AC and ALP-46 over the freight bricks.

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  304. diabolical beta. “growth” – i associate you more with elaborate rationalizations for stasis. But you were perhaps escorting young people – relatives – to a place of improvement – a museum? (this is reaching. no shit sherlock).

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  305. Again, Sherlock, you have failed to discover where I sadly spend my evenings…

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  306. on June 7, 2009 at 11:33 pm Virginia Gentleman

    CN: You’re welcome. I enjoy getting to talk about my interest in transportation systems, whether rail or air, to others. Kinda rare, and always fun. Had that particular SWPL type not been already spoken for with a family heirloom engagement ring, I would have been distinctly interested in pressing my advantage.

    DA: You’re not entirely wrong there. People do like to hear about what once was, especially when it has an effect on the way things are now. The booze cruisers can’t be helped; let ’em go. That is, unless you can sell them on the merits of a sleeping compartment where they can drink and drug to their hearts’ delight without the worries of carry-on limitations.

    Given your interest in short-range transit, you ought to be able to pull SWPL types with ease. “Yeah, I care about the environment too. That’s why I’m into light rail…”

    I’m amused by your reference to freight units as bricks given your interest in AEM-7s and their follow-ons. That’s today’s best example of pot v. kettle.

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  307. are you with sara at an eckhart tolle seminar enjoying spiritual growth? no.
    it’s not work – so it’s a place you choose to attend. for growing up. yours or others. but sadly – why sadly. growth is good. or maybe boring and painful.
    supervising young people at a youth club?

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  308. Chic your advice, sorry, is worse than useless.

    Women detest intelligence in men unless it’s leavened with lots of risk taking. The most turn-off thing you can do is display intelligence to women, particularly with IT or anything technology related, unless it’s macho like Squid bikes or something. I learned that by 25. It was painful. But women despise intelligence in a man. Not enough testosterone.

    Helping women with stuff is a one-way ticket to LJBF. I learned that also, by age 30. Painful but true. Women don’t like men who cook for them (perception of cheap vs. expensive dinner dates). I learned not to do that again! even after I spent the whole day cooking the damn Indian dinner because she liked Indian food.

    Women want guys to be dominant, aggressive, and often more aggressive/intimidating towards other men. I’ve seen that shift in SoCal and elsewhere over the years. More noticeable here. I can play that for a while, but get lazy/tired/ticked off about doing it, and screw up. Dave in Hawaii, my hat’s off to him. *I* can’t do it for very long. Longest was six months, I was exhausted. I didn’t give a damn when she up and left for some other dude.

    FWIW, NYC is a MUCH better place for scoring Arty girls. The MOMA is a great place if you know anything, you can chat up almost any girl alone about stuff if you know it (I do some of it). By contrast, LACMA, the Getty, Huntington Library, the Norton Simon, and the Malibu Getty are all filled with families, couples, and hordes of Asian folks who are not speaking English (some native out of Koreatown, some tourists). You hardly EVER see any single women around.

    DC and NYC might suck for guys, but they both beat LA.

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  309. I’m amused by your reference to freight units as bricks given your interest in AEM-7s and their follow-ons.

    Come on dude, modern day Alstom IGBT traction in a 70s-chic locomotive. Yeah, your SD70MAC can haul some freight, but can it fly down the track at 125 mph? The AEM-7AC is the greatest locomotive in American history, bar none. It will only be replaced with a superior ELECTRIC model, and that day may come if Amtrak purchases the ALP-46As with New Jersey Transit. Proven off the shelf, German railway technology in an attractive package.
    Only weirdos care about cheap, interchangeable diesel bricks.

    The booze cruisers can’t be helped; let ‘em go.

    A lot of people are booze cruisers when they go on vacation. Of course, I’m a bit of a fluke, so places like Vegas and South Beach may cater toward my taste in women, but San Francisco can keep me occupied because it has a sizable public transit system (by American standards) and a dense urban environment worth exploring.

    If I had a wireless internet package for my laptop, I could consider Amtrak and VIA LD since I’d have something to keep me occupied on such a long-trip. There’s only so much porn that can fit on a laptop and bringing the portable hard drive is out of question, especially if I can’t secure a sleeper. Otherwise, I want my Acela to rapidly accelerate and take me far away under the beautiful catenary…

    Given your interest in short-range transit, you ought to be able to pull SWPL types with ease.

    Surprisingly, I’ve done that with a few of my Manhattan cousins’ relations, and apparently, the details that I give them seem to attract praise of my intelligence. Using the iPod Touch, you can show them photos of streetcars and light rails, and they’ll sometimes be in awe. Then, there was the girl at my first college who would ask me questions about old service patterns on the subway. I used to find her attractive, but I stumbled upon porn…

    so it’s a place you choose to attend. for growing up.

    You don’t choose to come here.

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  310. Not just among the Ashley Duprees

    I swear, I think I’m the only guy in the world who think she’s hot.

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  311. on June 8, 2009 at 12:11 am Tupac Chopra

    chic:

    I’ve never met you a day in my life yet there are things I like about you. Yet the women who are around you on a daily bases pass you over for inferior men. BTW, I come from a neighborhood that’s has a few thugs some home come I’m not out running around with them?

    Cuz you aspergers, freak.

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  312. on June 8, 2009 at 12:14 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    they therefore have a direct impact on the fattening of White Women?!

    NO. Black women, AND lower-class white women.

    Today, there are 30 hot (9 or 10) black women in America (that I would happily fuck). That number could easily rise to 3000 *if* black men required a bit of looks in black women.

    Thus, black men drag down the looks of black women by creating a race to the bottom, which is now starting to drag down white women too.

    When there is a class of men who will not reject even the fattest woman, that reduces the natural pressure on (black and lower-class white) women to be beautiful.

    Alright Apey, question: how often do you get laid in a year? More, or less than 12 times?

    Much more than 12 times.

    But you are setting the goal posts in your favor. We have established that I have quality. You have quantity.

    You get ‘laid’ more times than me, because you fuck fatties day in and day out. I only fuck 7s and above, and would consider celibacy as better than fucking a 5 (let alone a 1).

    Thus, I win on quality, while you win on quantity. We each win in the area of importance to our respective groups. This is what you don’t grasp. You think that even a 1 is better than no sex. This is where black men differ from other men.

    If the question was “How many times do you fuck a 7 and above”, I would win. If the question was “How many times do you fuck a woman, regardless of looks”, you would win.

    Yaknowwha-I’mmsayyin?

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  313. on June 8, 2009 at 12:16 am Tupac Chopra

    Whiskey:
    However, I live in this society and I can clearly see disaster coming. Like a freight train roaring down the track.

    I.e., what shall be referred to in the textbooks of future generations as “The Whiskey Rebellion”

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  314. on June 8, 2009 at 12:19 am Virginia Gentleman

    DA: The AEM-7 as the greatest locomotive in our history? Nuh uh. Not even when you cut the categories down to electric passenger service. They’re not going to surpass a certain Pennsylvania-bred streamlined locomotive for greatest electric passenger unit, period. (Hint: That same type is arguably the greatest electric freight locomotive in our history as well, with only its later brother being a competitor for the title, in my opinion.) The SD70MAC isn’t designed to do 125 under catenary; it’s designed to haul 13,000 tons at 10 MPH for hours on end without turning the traction motors to slag, so it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison. I’ll see your AEM-7 and raise you one Acela Express power car, by the way.

    I wouldn’t call a modern AC traction unit that costs a million and a half or more ‘cheap’ by any standard. So nyah.

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  315. on June 8, 2009 at 12:21 am Tupac Chopra

    Whiskey:

    The difference is social proof. Being friends with the band is like a stamp from God. DA could do that and pull girls easy.

    From looking at DA’s picture, I think the best tack for him to take is to loose the granny glasses, and replace them with thick, Thomas Sowell hipster glasses. DA could *totally* pull of the black hipster look and personality. He’s geeky enough. He just needs to acquaint himself with the culture and start going to the clubs.

    And just as many middle class white women like indulging their fantasies of the thuggish black male, I am sure there are women in the artsy/hipster community who feel the same, but since those women are a little more timid, someone like DA would be *perfect* for their fantasies of fucking a Mandingo and pissing of Daddy — he’s black, but not too threatening.

    And I bet if he started lifting weights, his high-T, black genes would allow him to swole up in no time, kinda like a nerdy version of V.K.

    Seriously.

    How many ladies here want to help DA to a makeover?

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  316. on June 8, 2009 at 12:23 am Tupac Chopra

    Whiskey:

    The Gay Kristalknacht of closet Mormons in the entertainment field

    lol

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  317. on June 8, 2009 at 12:26 am Tupac Chopra

    Chic:

    You are knowledgeable in Art, Jazz, rail fanning ( which may equal travel), and computers. Why aren’t you able to connect with women on these issues? Women love to travel or hear about travel stories. Do you have any fun stories you can tell a woman? Once you get her giggling and laughing and relaxed around you, she will feel comfortable around you and will agree to go out on a date with you.

    Haven’t you had single women ask you for advice on computers? All of those girls who like the way a Mac looks but aren’t sure about spending the money on a Mac. Why not offer to help her choose a good model and sweet talk your way into a date. Don’t appear too needy or desperate. Holds the right amount of male authority in your voice without being overbearing and most important appear confident.

    Chic…you are so naive it’s almost cute.

    Women don’t care about that shit unless their looking for a chump beta provider.

    Maybe he’ll do “The Lick”?

    Hey!

    No Chic, what they want it social dominance.

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  318. Whiskey–

    DC and NYC might suck for guys, but they both beat LA.

    I’ve already said I went into BigLaw right after education, but as I’d always thought I would, jumped ship for better pastures not very long after.

    I got an offer and went to the NYC BigLaw firm I most wanted one from, from the point of view of money, power, and excitement, happening THEN, as opposed to old school and fading status. Oh by the way, stlll happening, as opposed to most of the competition at the time. The only other offer I seriously considered was from a (the?) LA firm that was also big in entertainment law. I’m dying to give the name but won’t.

    Flocks of the hottest women in the world flow to LA. I always thought it would be a solid, without being a super, alpha paradise.

    There most of them become “lesser than”. I like to make women feel “equal to”, while holding the reins. Oh yuum.

    If I was going to be anywhere but NYC in the US it would be LA.

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  319. These are my current frames:

    And no hipsters. They don’t dress sexual, they don’t look sexual, and they don’t do acrylic nails. I thought the purpose of this was to replace porn, not to continue using it…

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  320. on June 8, 2009 at 12:54 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    You’re hopeless.

    Just shoot yourself already.

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  321. Actually, that’s the exact pair. Non-date likes them. 🙂

    And yes, they’re Gucci…

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  322. You’re hopeless.

    I know, isn’t that fun, dude. 🙂

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  323. Women’s take on first date approach (which I had tonight).

    He called, set up date and time, since he’s new to town I suggested the place where we could have a drink. He informed me very matter of factly. if I got drunk I’d be taking my own self home. I assured him I’m not a heavy drinker. He also told me on the phone he’s looking for eye candy. His body carriage was not cocky, but confident. He directed the conversation. At the end of the date he walked me to my car, he said “so are you going to kiss me?” and he already knew the answer. There will be a date number two. Maybe you guys can get a couple of hints from the story. If you want more details I can provide.

    @Tupac
    I’m in with the DA make-over. You’re dead on about the glasses. Since he likes pink I’d make it a little hipper like this outfit in the link. I’d lose the bling though. Or maybe keep the shirt and tie and put a sweater vest over
    top, have the shirt hang out.

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  324. If you’re in Entertainment Law, yeah you can do quite well. Skybar and places like it will be your happy hunting ground. Lots of models, actress types, even execs with amazing gym toned bodies and carefully cared for faces. It’s an amazing scene just to soak in. People watching is fun. But unless you’re Alpha, it’s useless. You either have to have amazing skills or bank accounts or both to roll with those gals.

    For those merely average, it’s hell. Women tend to fall into the 8-9-10 category, or 2-3-4 category. Not much in between, and that’s a change from even ten years ago. White flight out of California squeezing out the Average types creates that bifurcated distribution. The only women moving in are the flocks of the super-hot.

    If you are Judd Apatow, LA is heaven. Even a geeky writer can score a chick like his wife Leslie Mann. But a Judd Apatow type who is not a writer, producer, etc. is not going anywhere with the ladies, that whole 6-7 class of attractive but not super-hot women is just not there anymore in LA. It used to be. But not now.

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  325. Whiskey-

    FWIW, NYC is a MUCH better place for scoring Arty girls.

    So move here fool!!!

    Chic is here.

    She’d be at least open to a date. And advice and caring. And who knows what else. And if it doesn’t work, would still likely try to friendly help you out.

    What’s wrong with you?

    ACT man. Act.

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  326. interesting points re LA. all very true. it’s a scary place, and absolutely barren for guys like whiskey describes and women who fall in the semi-hot but not stellar range. in my experience, it’s even more dramatic in this respect than miami, nyc, paris or rome.

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  327. Ashley Dupree is not hot. A zillion served is not hot. See: Paris Hilton.

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  328. Whiskey, have you considered Northern California? I liked the San Francisco Bay area, and if I had to move, I’d consider that region since it feels like a Californica version of NY Metro. Plus, there BART, MUNI, VTA, Caltrain, Amtrak California, and Sacto RT…

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  329. aoefe–

    He also told me on the phone he’s looking for eye candy. His body carriage was not cocky, but confident. He directed the conversation. At the end of the date he walked me to my car, he said “so are you going to kiss me?” and he already knew the answer. There will be a date number two. Maybe you guys can get a couple of hints from the story. If you want more details I can provide.

    I want more. For the guys here.

    You go gf.

    You’re a FAB addition here. Love ya.

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  330. Doug —

    I have family responsibilities and ties and a business all based here. So I’m stuck. Family comes first, then business, then my other ties including a charity that depends on me. As a practical matter, all my business connections are here, I have zero in NYC and there are way too many IT competitors for my taste there. I don’t have any here.

    I WILL offer specific pointers for guys in LA. AVOID Sky Bar or other “hot” places with lots of cool people at all costs (learned this one to my sorrow). Go to Chaya Venice on … whatever Ocean turns into in Venice. Rose Cafe in Venice is also good for a day-date. Third Street Promenade, the Pier (and Carousel there, also great to photograph there) are great too. Lots of decent, funky low-key bars in and around Ocean in Santa Monica. As couply places they are terrible for picking up women but SUPERB for suggestion and dates.

    Farmers Market, yes it’s touristy but fun. Also La Brea Tar Pits, LACMA next door, the Getty, a (night) game at Dodger Stadium (sunset view is killer), day dates at Huntington Library, Norton Simon, and Getty Malibu.

    Avoid the Grove at all costs.

    The perfect ending place for a date, very killer close, is the rotating room at the Bonaventure Hotel. The site was used for like a gazillion sci-fi movies, the elevators go up on the OUTSIDE of the hotel (also used in lots of movies and TV), and the room ROTATES. It’s mostly filled with Asian couples so you don’t have D-bags competing with you like at Skybar, the Grove, etc. and you get “Cool” points from your date.

    While the Getty, LACMA, Norton Simon etc. are terrible places to pick up women, they are great for couples. If you are on a date, it’s a killer. Musuems are a great first date place because they naturally build hand-holding and have interesting stuff you can talk about. I hate movie dates, they suck, even though I’ve personally done well on a few of them.

    I live in OC. It’s a lost fricking cause. Seriously.

    I’d offer a “general strategy” for dating girls in a place filled with high rolling guys. Avoid those guys when taking girls on dates. They’re never in museums, “funky” places, and you are still demonstrating mastery/control and coolness. Even a touristy place can be a winner, if it’s a place locals hardly ever go. But you have to check it out first, have some local knowledge. Homework. But if you are in a place like Skybar, you’re just another chump. Trust me on this. Go there by yourself to people watch and amuse yourself, but never on a date.

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  331. Apey,
    Nah, you’re the one who’s changing the goalposts. If Black Men are fucking supposedly fat Black Women, AND lower class White Women, then how does that interfere with your self-proclaimed higher quality White Women? It seems to me that there would be no effect whatsoever on you, since neither two groups of Women you would be interested in *anyway*.

    So again I am not following how the mating patterns of Black Men impact on the Monkey Man’s ability to get lucky with the “high quality” females of his choice.

    Now, moving right along…

    I’ve given you a rough estimate of just how often I draw my ass back on any given year; on average, its about 144 times a year, based on fucking 3 nights out of a 7 day week, and doing this 4 times a month. You, on the other hand, have not given a precise number of times YOU have fucked in the last year-and, since you claim to have “pretty decent game”, the “quality Women” you speak of shouldn’t be that big a deal for you, right?

    So, you claim more than a dozen times a year. Okay. Does it come anywhere near say, 150 times a year, or more? And if you say no, I would reply, why not? You mean to tell me in a country w/300 MILLION people, you can’t find say, 10 “quality” White Women to fuck year round?

    If your answer is no, it seems your “pretty decent game” needs some work, kid.

    Oh, and for the record-I never go below a 6 on the fuckability scale. Never.

    Holla back Apey….

    O

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  332. My take on San Francisco —

    The women there suck. Lots of hairy legged (no, really) lesbians, homeless all over the place, very aggressive, the few straight women are not very hot, the attractive ones are all stuck-up heiresses. There are some young (19-22) girls who are hot (because they are young) working hotel stuff, but I don’t play with em.

    Meanwhile it’s Sausage central. I don’t mean just the gay guys who are everywhere, but all the IT nerdy guys who are hard-core working for Google, Sun, Wells Fargo, and other places in and around the city.

    I had a buddy live near SF while at Stanford. He HATED it. Rents sky high, living conditions crappy, always cold, lots of crime. Even more poop and piss on the sidewalks than the Quarter, and that’s saying something. A couple of female classmates live there, LOVE it. But then, they’re girls.

    Metro is great, lots of light rail, restored street cars, very pretty setting. The Architecture of SF is truly stunning, one of the world’s most beautiful cities. Matches up well with Hong Kong (world’s most beautiful skyline).

    The major problem is the economy. If I had my druthers (I don’t) I’d move to Fort Worth. Not as pretty, women nicer and more plentiful of them, and a better economy. SF’s economy is in the toilet. Pals at Wells Fargo and Sun got laid off. It’s basically old money, and tourist crap. Just like New Orleans. NYC is probably just as screwed.

    SF USED to be a blue collar, shipping/manufacturing town, there was a late 1940’s Bogart film Dark Passage which showcased the blue collar neighborhoods, gone now. New Orleans used to be that way too, has also become just a tourist trap and nothing else. In fact, SF is like New Orleans, only by the bay, and with the Ninth Ward and Fauburg Marigny and Treme across the bay in Oakland.

    Sacramento is hot, OK streetcar network, filled with government types. Oakland is scary as hell. You can see from the BART train outside the airport (have to take a shuttle bus) row after row of burnt out houses.

    Most major coastal cities are screwed because major alternative industries, like manufacturing, have been pushed out by SWPL. LA area had for example lots of aerospace manufacturing jobs, which the Clinton defense cuts eliminated. About half a million jobs were lost in the LA area alone due to Clinton, and it led to a White Flight exodus. To Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Texas, and Idaho.

    LA still has the entertainment industry, some light manufacturing (the Surefire flashlights are made here, also the Maglights) and is better economically than SF. But we are still hosed. Being spread out DOES make it tougher to date, but being broke is even worse for dating.

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  333. on June 8, 2009 at 3:10 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    then how does that interfere with your self-proclaimed higher quality White Women?

    Well, I like to make fun of the black male’s proclivity towards women of extreme obesity.

    The 30 hot black women could rise to as high as 3000, if black men demanded better looks.

    I’ve given you a rough estimate of just how often I draw my ass back on any given year;

    But they are all the fattest women, which only black men would touch.

    Quantity, but no quality. That is what you are getting.

    Oh, and for the record-I never go below a 6 on the fuckability scale.

    You are referring to dress size (where you don’t go below a 6). I am referring to physical beauty.

    So, you claim more than a dozen times a year. Okay. Does it come anywhere near say, 150 times a year, or more?

    Probably. I am not lame enough to count. Let’s say 75.

    So I get 75 lays with an 8, while you get 150 lays with five fatties (1-3).

    But as I said, I win on quality, you win on quantity. I fuck one hottie, you fuck five hippos. Where, exactly, is the disagreement? I think you are in agreement.

    Since Peter has been hammered into non-existence, I might change my handle from ‘GNPs are for Apes’ to ‘Obese-dian likes em Fat’.

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  334. the few straight women are not very hot,

    Yeah, I’ll admit, SFO was mostly average looking women. If you’re not picky, it doesn’t seem too bad though…

    Metro is great, lots of light rail, restored street cars, very pretty setting. The Architecture of SF is truly stunning, one of the world’s most beautiful cities.

    I happened to visit during May, so the weather was relatively warm and not too humid, and the

    SF USED to be a blue collar, shipping/manufacturing town, there was a late 1940’s Bogart film Dark Passage which showcased the blue collar neighborhoods, gone now.

    The problem is that it’s generally cheaper and easier to do manufacturing in other places. Even if you wanted to stay in the Bay Area, it’s easier to build a large facility in the suburbs than to rebuild in the urban district. Low taxes, few unions, and low wages make the South and overseas manufacturing more attractive.

    BTW, related to that, San Francisco’s black population has decreased over the years due to gentrification and cheaper housing in suburban areas. Of course, some have noted this and complained about it, and those in the suburban neighbourhoods that have absorbed this new population aren’t content either. Admittedly, it was weird walking around SF and noting that there were so few black people, even downtown. Mind you, since the city has such a liberal reputation, I didn’t feel as freaked out as would in another city or even certain areas of Long Island. It was like Canada, where I felt at ease and the paranoia could dissipate. Even the dirty looks slowly dissipated into the ether…

    LA area had for example lots of aerospace manufacturing jobs, which the Clinton defense cuts eliminated.

    With the Soviet Union gone, there was no need to produce as much for the military. Why shouldn’t we take advantage of the peace dividend to either provide for our citizens or to lower taxes or reduce public debt? Unless you believe that make-work programmes are an essential part of the economy, the economic viability of that be damned.

    Sacramento is hot, OK streetcar network

    Technically, it’s a Stadtbahn, or in American English, a light rail system, not a streetcar.

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  335. on June 8, 2009 at 3:44 am GNP is a NERD

    So what’s your debating track record now GNP, 0-24? I’ve never seen you win a debate yet, although I admire your stubborn persistence. Do even white racists respect you? Why not just let the race stuff drop and move on? You aren’t even good at being a racist, you spout nonsense. Let us grown ups talk about more interesting things.

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  336. For those merely average, it’s hell. Women tend to fall into the 8-9-10 category, or 2-3-4 category. Not much in between

    this, more than anything you can read at Sailer, is proof of the Latin Americanization of the US.

    Once there is a limited supply of hot women, men will do what it takes to get one of those.

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  337. Obsidian,

    You should be briefed on this GNP apes guy.

    There is a paper on the web, from Peter Frost, explaining the hotness of scandinavian girls. His thesis is the following: in Scandinavia, hunting was tougher because distances and animals were big, so lots of men died, generating a surplus of women. Since no one was able to sustain an harem, because of the hunting stuff, the ugly women died childless

    The overall thesis, that lots of men die–>>>surplus of women—>>>ugly women die childless—>>>beautiful people seems to make sense to me, but the guy does seems to force his point

    What annoys the GNP Ape guy is the following: once blacks enter the picture, they fuck even the uber-ugly white girls that were supposed to die childless. Picture that english whale who was feeding macdonalds to her toddlers

    it is this kind of reasoning that makes me say that white-nationalists are uber-losers.

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  338. once blacks enter the picture, they fuck even the uber-ugly white girls that were supposed to die childless.

    it is this kind of reasoning that makes me say that white-nationalists are uber-losers.

    hells ya fo shizzle – u neva see bruthas fucking ugly white bitchez

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  339. Indeed, Monkey Man. GNP is a Nerd nailed it.

    First, you have absolutely no idea what my lays look like. Second, I have serious doubts that you’re getting consistent 8s into your bed-75 times a year? Sounds like you pulled that number outta ur monkey ass.

    And your “theories” make you sound like you didn’t graduate highschool, let aone attend some of the best colleges in the country. I mean really, who actually believes in the notion that there are only *30* Black Women in the USA who are an 8 or above? What kinda crazy bullshit is that?

    And the idea of of Black Men basically being the blame for White Women getting fat is really around the bend, man. That don’t make any sense whatsoever, but you say this crap w/o any hint of snickering, that’s what amazes me.

    You know, I think deep down you’re a chubby chaser…on the downlow. That would explain your always bringing up the topic, and I think you just need to go on ahead and get yourself a big Sista and have done with it. Have her sit on your face, you know you like that shit, Apeman..don’t ya?

    LOL

    O

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  340. David Alexander, sherlock

    On David’s place to grow up:

    I reckon David is visiting a family member in hospital. There is nothing like facing mortality (yours or that of someone you love) to make you grow up.

    I think he mentioned something about a family medical problem before. If that is true, I hope everything is OK. Many of us would be glad to see you grow up, but without the aid of tragedy.

    Hospitals:
    Many of us enter this world there, have a grow-up moment there, say goodbye to loved one there, and final exit this world there. Isn’t that a cheery thought for a Monday?

    Again, David I hope I am wrong and everything is OK.

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  341. aoefe mentioned innocently:

    If you want more details I can provide.

    Pope/Catholic, bears/woods, politicians/lie, do one-legged ducks swim in circles?

    I don’t think we need to take a vote, so enough of the coy teasing stuff.

    Cough up the details, please.

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  342. Default User:
    I think he mentioned something about a family medical problem before.

    tut tut – mangina is now easily rectified now in The Brave New 21st Century

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  343. I reckon David is visiting a family member in hospital.

    The Default User is smarter than the Great Detective.

    And sadly, Round 2 is going to be much more difficult and drawn out than Round 1. The quote “you people would starve without me” isn’t something you’d like to face in the real world, and stops being funny in these situations.

    Now you’ll see why David Alexander is sympathetic toward arguments for universal healthcare, Social Security, working spouses, paid leave, and disability insurance.

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  344. Dave Alex,
    First off, let me say that I send my best wishes to you and yours, and pray that everything turns out for the best.

    Having said that, all the things you mentioned requires that *someone* pay for them. Usually, the taxpayer. No matter what one’s personal views, the fact is that the two biggest, most expensive, and longest running welfare/entitlement expenses this country’s ever had, is Social Security, and Medicaid. And with some NINETY MILLION Baby Boomers due to retire over the next decade or so, these costs will only rise-w/fewer working age people to pay into said programs.

    There’s simply no way of getting around this, you don’t need to be an economist here. We as a nation simply cannot afford to continue paying the high cost of Social Security and Medicaid; that’s just a fact, Dave.

    Somethin’s gotta give.

    Personally, my solution is: people gotta take personal responsibility for their lives, which includes their health, especially in their dotage. Private accounts should be setup so people can save as little or as much as they want towards their healthcare. Insurance monopolies should be broken up so more health insurers can enter the field, and this will allow low income folks to be able to afford health insurance.

    But no matter where you sit on this issue, the bottomline is clear: we can’t continue the system as it is. Not only is it corrupt, its too expensive, and its grossly inefficient.

    O

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  345. on June 8, 2009 at 11:51 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    First, you have absolutely no idea what my lays look like.

    Oh yes I do. You fuck black women, virtually all of whom are obese (or otherwise simian like Michelle O). You said so yourself. You claim to be proud of this, so why the scarcely concealed shame?

    I mean really, who actually believes in the notion that there are only *30* Black Women in the USA who are an 8 or above?

    I said 9s and 10s. That does not include 8s. Can’t you read English?

    Plus, I assure you that most non-black men will agree on the extreme, extreme scarcity of 9/10 black women. Only 30 in the US.

    Willard Libby says there are zero, for example. I at least say there are 30, and the number could rise to 3000 if black men started having standards.

    You didn’t acknowledge this month’s Beta of the Month contest. That is because it proves my point.

    And the idea of of Black Men basically being the blame for White Women getting fat is really around the bend, man.

    Again, you didn’t read what I wrote, as clear as day. I will try to write in Ebonics, but I wrote in as simple terms as humanly possible, and you still refuse to understand basic English.

    Yaknowwha-i’mmsayyin????

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  346. Kudos Default User. Though the solution is a bit grimmer than i would have guessed or liked.

    Well i’m off to the Priory clinic – apparently Susan Boyle is staying there – and she’s a bona fide 8 so i’ve heard. The Curious Case of the Beta Railfan with the Ipod is closed.

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  347. …well, I see yet another glorious thread ends with whimpers…

    firepower need hugz

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  348. @ Doug -I want more. For the guys here
    @Default -Cough up the details, please.

    Let’s see…he dressed nicely, clean shirt, jeans, good shoes. His shirt was Liquid, not super high end, but enough for me to know he spends some money on clothes. Casual. I asked him where he wanted to sit when we entered. I always defer, I never lead. He chose immediately and didn’t hem and haw, attractive trait. I could tell he was pleased with my look by his, excuse the French, ‘shit eating grin’. I like knowing off the bat if I’m pleasing. If a man keeps me guessing about his attraction I am not flirty in the least, my own insecurity. He teased me during conversation. I can’t remember about what exactly, but I liked that he felt comfortable enough to tease me. A confident man will do that, otherwise he’s too worried he’ll offend me. He ended the date by getting up and paying for our drinks, he didn’t sit back down he was ready to go. I liked that too. He walked me to my car, asked if I was going to kiss him, and he knew my answer. Fortunately it was a good kiss, if it was terrible the chances for a second date go way down. I read that somewhere. He texted tonight then we talked briefly on the phone, he laughingly asked me to come over to his house and give him a massage, I laughingly declined. I am not jumping into his bed, I enjoy delayed gratification.

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  349. Apeman,
    Please do us all a favor, and stop trying to “talk Black”.

    Second, again, you have no idea of what any of my lays look like, and by the way you talk about Black folk, Women in particular, I think you’d be the last person any reasonable Man or Woman would turn to for information on same.

    Third, anyone who takes Willard Libby, a man who hasn’t had any pussy within the last decade, well, that tells you all you need to know.

    Now, go and rustle up some hand lotion, I hear you primate types like playing with yourselves.

    O

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  350. on June 10, 2009 at 12:16 am GNPs are for Apes

    Please do us all a favor, and stop trying to “talk Black”.

    WhaChootalkkin’bout Obese-dian? I used all of one term, and that is ‘talking black’? I could just as easily say that you are ‘talking white’ whenever your grammar happens to be correct.

    Furthermore, we have established the following facts. You have agreed to these before, only to back out the next day :

    1) You win on quantity (five fatties), I win on quality (one hottie). So we both got what we want.

    2) There are only 30 black women in America that can be called 9s and 10s. Absolutely no white or Asian guy here will challenge that statement. Even David Alexander has concurred with the typical obesity of black women. Another U of Mich alum on this board confirmed that in all his time there, he saw one black 8 and zero 9s/10s.

    Every time Roissy has voting on female photos, check out the polled ratings. As Dr. Zaius said to Taylor “Don’t look for it, Obese-dian, you may not like what you find.”

    3) You can no more know who I am fucking than I can know who/what you are fucking. The only thing we know about each other is that I prefer 8s and higher, while you are all about quantity, and prefer fatties.

    4) When I say I fucked a 10, I mean her looks. When you say you fucked a 10, you mean her dress size.

    That is all.

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  351. on June 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm The Masculinization Of The Western White Female « Roissy in DC

    […] Ben left a link in the comments to this post to an anthropology blog written by a guy named Dienekes, who posed the above question in a post […]

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  352. […] ran a post comparing the new ideal American man (Mystery) with the old ideal American man (a GI).  This […]

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  353. […] how the type of men who receive “female service” has changed in recent years. I wasn’t aware that the sideshow freak with the pierced soul patch and […]

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  354. a ele ai ele é o cara

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  355. Esse concerteza é o cara!

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  356. the mystery man

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  357. hey
    you can call me niros
    this is my story…
    i had a girlfriend for just under 3 years, and when we broke up i ended up being broken
    i can start a conversation but it never lasts long
    i can’t close!
    before i was in “the serious relationship” i was doing ok with the ladies, or so i think
    but now i feel like everything im doing is wrong
    im not ugly, i have girls approach me all the time, i just can’t close!
    i end up getting girls to my group of friends and everyone gets numbers but me
    i want to be able to do what PUAs can do!

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  358. […] (Here is part one of ‘Then and Now’.) […]

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  359. […] (Here is part one of ‘Then and Now’.) […]

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  360. They guy in the first picture fought (unwittingly, of course) so that (among other untoward things) his grandson could look like the guy in the second picture.

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