Why I Like Berlusconi

This guy is alpha:

At a news conference, Berlusconi was brusque with an American journalist who suggested he should say sorry for the remark on Thursday. Visiting Moscow, he described the man elected to be the first black U.S. president as “handsome, young and also suntanned.”

His center-left opponents called the comment racist; Berlusconi responded by saying they were “imbeciles without any sense of humor.”

At Friday’s news conference after a European Union summit, the reporter asked: “Prime Minister, do you realize that your comment on Obama is offensive to the United States? Why don’t you apologize?”

Berlusconi responded: “Give me a break! You have just put yourself on that list of people (imbeciles) I mentioned yesterday!”

When the reporter pressed for an answer on why Berlusconi did not deem it necessary to apologize, the prime minister, clearly irritated, said: “Why (should I)? You should apologize to Italy!” He then walked out of the room.

Saying you’re sorry is beta. Saying you’re sorry when a bunch of craven betas are telling you to apologize is lesser beta. Saying you’re sorry when a bunch of craven betas are telling you to apologize for something that needs no apology is omega. Are we really going to have to put up with eight years of this shit?

Berlusconi knows the score. Vaffanculo!

ps: he looks like my dearly departed grandfather.





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  1. lol! my journalist friends over there are grappling with this issue as we speak…

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  2. Not only have I deleted the word sorry from any discourse I have with a woman I’m involved with, I’ve just about dropped it from my vocabulary entirely.

    Now I don’t apologize to anyone, be it co-workers or family.
    I’ve found that when confronted for an infraction, asking a question rather than apologizing tends to very effective.

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  3. Being cocky while having a small dick = higher alpha:
    http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=167479

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  4. True. You give an inch to these journalists and you’re finished. There is nothing to be gained from apology. ‘Controversies‘ like this are going to repeatedly over the next four years. There will eventually be a backlash against these journalists scouring the world for ‘offensiveness’, people will become numb and tire of it. Which is a good thing.

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  5. hahaha, props Berlusconi. Good stuff. But he lives in a country where a porn star got elected to the legislature.

    When Obama quasi-bitch slapped Nancy Reagan, he did the right thing by apologizing I think. Obama is a healthy young man with a sense of humor who’s smart and can take a joke. He probably laughed at Berlusconi.

    Nancy Reagan is an old lady who may not “get it” (never known for her sense of humor) and might take it the wrong way.

    “Are we really going to have to put up with eight years of this shit?”

    Christ, you’ve gone ahead and just thrown in the towel on that 2012 Palin ticket? 🙂 (Aside: I KNEW that there was no way McCain could take her dumbassery. I’m not the least surprised by all the reports of fighting between their camps coming out)

    Anyway, it remains to be seen whether Obama can pull us out of the mile deep hole President ShitForBrains (credit: Bill Maher) has gotten us into. But I’ll GLADLY take eight more years of him over retard Bush-style “leadership” (most of the country and planet agrees, thank god). Bush/Palin types have zero place in U.S. government.

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  6. He also inadvertently brought up the issue of whether Italians are “black” or not… 😉

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  7. I think it is ok to say your sorry if you are actually sorry. The problem is when you say your sorry because other people would like it. Getting pressured into saying that your sorry for behaving in a way that you don’t see anything wrong with is surrendering your integrity and very beta. Categorically refusing to say that your sorry in all cases is silly and juvenile. You are surrendering your integrity to a childish conception of masculinity.

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  8. Berlusconi is definitely “alpha” in the shallow Roissy sense — there was a New Yorker article about how he has stashed mistresses all over the bureaucracy and the political system. But he’s also ruining Italy. Hmmmm…is there a connection?

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  9. Obama referred to himself as a “mutt”, so I doubt he needs or wants any apology from the Italian asshole.

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  10. Nancy Reagan is an old lady who may not “get it” (never known for her sense of humor) and might take it the wrong way.

    It has nothing to do with Nancy Reagan’s sense of humor, I’m sure she’s less touchy and chronically offended than your average liberal. Obama was right to apologize because the insult was bitchlike, taking a cheap shot swipe at a senior citizen widow in the hospital is pretty beta.

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  11. Saying you’re sorry is beta

    SMH

    I disagree. A real man can apologize. I hate people who have such an inflated since of worth that they think apologizing is beneath them. The bad thing is, women are now starting to think the same way.
    Joe T.
    He also inadvertently brought up the issue of whether Italians are “black” or not

    Tupac said there is mixture within Italians. Just don’t question the Greeks European blood because that pisses off Roissy like nothing else.

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  12. Interestingly, despite being the hand wringing low IQ tool who complains and fears the race realists and white nationalists, I could think are far more controversial things for him to say. It’s not exactly the cleanest joke around, but to call it racist and deserving of meaningless apology is pointless.

    Hell, Obama’s near my skin tone, and even I can build up a tan… 🙂

    He also inadvertently brought up the issue of whether Italians are “black” or not…

    As my Sicilian friends have noted, they’re not black, but they’re not really white either…

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  13. Just don’t question the Greeks European blood because that pisses off Roissy like nothing else.

    there’s no question the Greeks, southern Italians / Sicilians, etc. are a different race than Northern Europeans like the English or the Nordics. They’re Mediterranean, like the Jews or the Berbers or the Arabs. In the 19th century no one would have questioned this. It’s just the American habit of dividing the entire world into nothing but white/black/Asian that conceals it.

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  14. I agree MQ, but watch out because you are officially on Roissy sh*t list for posting it;)

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  15. It’s just the American habit of dividing the entire world into nothing but white/black/Asian that conceals it.

    This is major.

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  16. “Obama referred to himself as a “mutt”, so I doubt he needs or wants any apology from the Italian asshole.”

    Yeah as I mentioned Obama is a smart guy and can dish it and “take it”. Berlusconi knows this. He just made a joke and refuses to apologize for it to some random twerp (note: he doesn’t face any repurcussions for not apologizing).

    I could see him and Obama busting each other’s balls on race over a beer.

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  17. “As my Sicilian friends have noted, they’re not black, but they’re not really white either…”

    I don’t know what you’re trying to imply by this. They aren’t “nordic”. But if you’re subscribing to that True Romance school of thought that they are disproportionately admixed with black Africans, it’s not true.

    Sicilians have no greater genetic relationship with blacks than Germans or Finns.

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  18. There’s a difference in status between the president of the US and an elderly, hospitalized former first lady. Obama was right to apologize, because what he did was wrong. She’s not involved in politics, and quite honestly that was a cheap shot from the guy who wants to be president of all Americans. It’s kind of like bashing young Chelsea Clinton. You just don’t pick on little kids or the elderly if you’re any kind of human being.

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  19. My friends from Milan tell me that it was most likely meant as an honest compliment – Italians just love a good suntan, and he thought he’d say something nice. (shrugs). BFD either way.

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  20. @affe- I think he meant it as a light joke/compliment too.

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  21. roissy:

    “Saying you’re sorry is beta.”

    T. AKA Ricky Raw:

    “Obama was right to apologize…”

    MarkD:

    “Obama was right to apologize…”

    First off, wow, lots of disagreements with our boy roissy on this one. I’m especially surprised by “T. AKA Ricky Raw” going against roissy’s teachings since they seem fairly lockstep on most things.

    Anyway before we go overboard with the Nancy Regan tear-jerking from the Palin Apologist Brigade, let’s be clear. Obama wasn’t making fun of her race, her gender, her husband, her age, or her lack of breasts.

    He poked fun at her dumbass mysticism.

    That said, I agree with “T. AKA Ricky Raw” and MarkD in that yes, aplogizing was the best thing because Nancy is an old lady.

    Looks like you’re by yourself on this one, roissy.

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  22. “Sicilians have no greater genetic relationship with blacks than Germans or Finns.”

    Look, Sicilians are Negr-

    RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT!!! RAT-TAT-TAT!! RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAT!!!

    *Joe T. dies*

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  23. He poked fun at her dumbass mysticism.

    Skeptic, you do realize that Nancy Reagan never held a seance, right? She was into astrology, but did not do seances? You know who the last First Lady to do a seance was in the White House? HILLARY CLINTON.

    So Obama was right to apologize not just because she was old, but because he was WRONG.

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  24. i like berlusconi and always vote for him.

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  25. Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer regularly.

    Don’t know about Hillary and the seance.

    Obama didn’t have to apologize, but it was the graceful thing to do for a woman of her age.

    Still, Nancy Reagan was an enabler of her husband, and ran the White House like the court of Louis XVI, and if people cracked jokes about her, they were thoroughly justified.

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  26. If I’m not mistaken, Queen Elizabeth consults an astrogler too.

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  27. *astrologer*
    or was it princess Diana?

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  28. Apologize when you do something wrong. Say “I’m sorry.” Once. More than once is groveling.

    And Obama did show some class and alphatude when he realized that insulting an elderly widow is not cool. What was that one Roissy maxim: “people will turn on an Alpha when he attachks a weak woman” or somethign like that.

    The problem with apologizing repeatedly, or apologizing to the jackals in the press, or apologized when you meant to say something controversial, is when you will be destroyed.

    Trent Lott, Larry Summers, Michael Richards, James Watkins, the list goes on. They grovel, they get eaten alive. Ann Coulter, on the other hand, never apologizes, and for that reason no one can’t touch her.

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  29. I have two questions: When were there ever more than like 3 black people in Greece or Sicily? Does anyone ever stop and think about this stuff before opining on it?

    When we say “black” today we mean Bantu-type guys or Nilotics. They got their start in Nigeria and expanded south and east. North Africans are not black and never were. As for the Nilotics and the black Semites of Ethiopia, they never got anywhere near Greece, let alone Sicily.

    There is plenty of Armenian, Persian, Arab, Turk, and Berber blood floating in around the Greek gene pool. As for the Sicilians, the Greeks and Carthaginians both ruled Sicily at various points.

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  30. on November 10, 2008 at 2:49 am Pope Goaz D'Weezil

    I am shocked that we continually overlook the fact that we elected a Pollock to the White House. We are fucked.

    Never apologizing is going too far. Actually learning that there is little in life that needs to be apologized for is a start.

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  31. canty, at least it gets people talking.

    I find it a bit amusing(sometimes telling) how offended some people become when you suggest that they have a few drops of negro blood. Obama and Dick Parsons have negro blood and I think they are doing okay.

    Roissy has been in blk but doesn’t want any blk in him 😉

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  32. Canty, there were blk living in North Africa,some where slaves.

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  33. Chic noir,

    It’s not that it’s offensive to have some black in you, it’s that it’s historical nonsense. It’s like saying that the Polynesians are part Chinese.

    As for blacks in northern Africa, sure there were. There were black soldiers and slaves in the Ottoman Empire up until quite recently. No doubt some of them introduced Balkan girls to jungle fever. But there were never a whole lot of black people in or around Sicily.

    People just say that Sicilians must be a little black because they’re kind of swarthy for whites. That’s not history.

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  34. Living here in NYC Metro, one tends to meet a decent number of Italians from Southern Italy, and a few of them have a similar appearance to some mulatto family friends, so one is inclined to call them black as a joke especially when they do something boorish. Mind you, for all intents in purposes, Italians are racially white, but socially, they fall under the grey area of ethnic whites who aren’t WASP or Scots-Irish/Scottish or German Protestant.

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  35. on November 10, 2008 at 3:12 am ironrailsironweights

    Berlusconi has a long history of running off with his mouth and saying things that most people would never say in public. Check Wikipedia if you want details. He gets away with these things because he’s rich and powerful, not because of any inherent (in other words, non-ex officio) Alphaness.

    Peter

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  36. Let’s have a contest to see what the most insulting “humorous” comment one can make about another racial group is, without being kicked off one of the most un-PC blogs on the internet, and without using profanity.

    Requirements:

    1) The comment must be a *generality*

    2) It must be patently false, but be built on an offensive cliche that is part of the pop-cultural zeitgeist

    3) It must contain some element of original humor

    4) It must actually provoke laughter in most people

    5) If uttered in public by a famous person, it would precipitate a Don Imus-like incident that would preoccupy the media for at least four solid weeks, and result in at least one opinion piece in TIME or Newsweek

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  37. 38:

    Scientists have definitely established that Asian men have, on average, less testosterone than black women or fuzzy puppies.

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  38. @39

    canty – i think that meets all 5 criteria

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  39. T.”Skeptic, you do realize that Nancy Reagan never held a seance, right? She was into astrology, but did not do seances? You know who the last First Lady to do a seance was in the White House? HILLARY CLINTON.

    So Obama was right to apologize not just because she was old, but because he was WRONG.”

    And Obama isn’t actually sun tanned. I don’t think either should have to apologize. I think our culture is such that there are sufficient practical consequences for making a tame joke about Nancy Reagan’s past loopiness that it makes sense to apologize on a practical level but it isn’t as though what Obama said is actually bad to need an apology. There’s pretty clearly a double standard here. I get that she’s an old lady but it’s not like she didn’t spend her life as a dumb alarmist cooze. It’s funny that the same people who rail against the stifling influence of political correctness have their panties in a twist over an offhand dig at a bitch who’s biggest accomplishment was dressing up like a tomato and spouting a lame anti drug slogan.

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  40. Joe T.,

    ty, let’s see what other people come up with.

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  41. @ 38

    East Asians were the real life inspiration for the Borg in Star Trek.

    Yeah, I will fail at this…

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  42. DA,

    I see where you’re going with this, but the Borg didn’t have an obsession with genetic purity.

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  43. chiclet:
    Tupac said there is mixture within Italians.

    there’s no subsaharan black mixture with italians or sicilians either. there is a small berber (north african) admixture with southern europe.

    http://dienekes.50webs.com/blog/archives/000543.html

    Just don’t question the Greeks European blood because that pisses off Roissy like nothing else.

    actually, what pisses me off are your lies and your stupidity.

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  44. Joe T — Nancy Reagan is 88 years old, fell and broke her hip, is very, very ill.

    She has not been in the public eye for twenty years.

    It was the mark of a PUNK to make a cheap joke to cover his own incompetence when speaking (“I spoke to all the living”) and then to use convenient target Nancy Reagan instead of Hillary (which would have had real costs). It’s also the mark of a PUNK to take a shot at an old woman who is no longer relevant to much of anything.

    Obama is a mean bastich, a punk like Tupac or Biggie, who says things his “posse” of people laugh at like flunkies. He made a verbal flub, tried to cover it at the expense of Nancy Reagan, spent most of his time talking about what kind of puppy he’ll get for his kids. Yeesh.

    Obama is not an Alpha. You can’t imagine Bush, Ike, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Ford, LBJ, Truman, taking a cheap verbal shot at the aged, deathly ill widow of a President who left office twenty years ago.

    I COULD imagine cheap punks Carter or Nixon making that sort of remark.

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  45. Roissy,

    There you go bringing facts into a perfectly good internet argument!

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  46. Wow, you nuts love arguing about race. Who has “black” in them?

    Answer: EVERYONE does! Case closed. BFD. Anyone who takes pride OR his horrified by this is equally retarded.

    We’re all homo sapiens. Or perhaps all our ancestors arrived on various space ships from different part of the Milkey Way 150,000 years ago.

    The mitochondrial studies that people here and elsewhere love quoting (with zero understanding) tells you (roughly) about when various groups arrived where and the effects of their in-breeding. That’s it! It certainly doesn’t tell you what many here thinks it tells you.

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  47. i can’t believe this lcip hasn’t been posted yet

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  48. I can’t believe *this* clip hasn’t been posted yet:

    I’ll show you how an American dies…

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  49. But he lives in a country where a porn star got elected to the legislature.

    That’s not unusual at all.

    I’ve said it many times, I’ll say it again: if Americans knew anything about continental politics, the Obama crowd would never again worry about European approval.

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  50. there’s no question the Greeks, southern Italians / Sicilians, etc. are a different race than Northern Europeans like the English or the Nordics. They’re Mediterranean, like the Jews or the Berbers or the Arabs. In the 19th century no one would have questioned this. It’s just the American habit of dividing the entire world into nothing but white/black/Asian that conceals it.

    Actually, that three-way division corresponds to the Cavalli-Sforza genetic main clusters of humanity.

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  51. Let me try:

    The only group who likes used car salesmen are Jews, they try to recruit them to convert.

    Irish people can get drunk off antifreeze.

    Germans aren’t allowed in Chicago because they keep trying to invade the Polish neighborhood.

    Italians…I can’t make a joke or someone will make me an offer I can’t refuse.

    I’ve said it many times, I’ll say it again: if Americans knew anything about continental politics, the Obama crowd would never again worry about European approval.
    Iffy: we’re much enamored of your welfare system. There is this whole idea that we’re supposed to be the natural allies of Europe or something, which I do wonder if is just leftover racism/ethnic nepotism/what have you from the European ancestry of most Americans. But of course two nations (or a nation and a group of nations) are going to have interests that clash sometimes.

    As for race: depends how thin you slice it, and of course there are ‘intermediate’ groups because people live at the borders between areas. This whole thing where both the Jews and the Nazis decided the Jews weren’t white always struck me as a little silly. Ever looked in a mirror, Dershowitz?

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  52. Italians are racially white, but socially, they fall under the grey area of ethnic whites

    It’s probably similar for Arabs, Turks, Albanians, Chechens, and Persians. They are for the most part racially white, or “close enough,” but culturally very different due to their religion.

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  53. There were black soldiers and slaves in the Ottoman Empire up until quite recently. No doubt some of them introduced Balkan girls to jungle fever

    Perhaps, but it’s unlikely that this would have produced many offspring. There is no such thing as single motherhood or a whole lot of prospects for girls with bastard mixed children in traditional cultrues.

    In other words, a girl impregnanted by an “extracontinental” seems unlikely to me to have had a lot of chances to raise a mixed child to adulthood. Also, not all sexual intercourse results in pregnancy, and in traditional societies, women are more careful these things than they are in a liberal society.

    In rich Arab countries, like Saudi Arabia, where there are many people with African blood, it would have been a different story. Arab men have been known to impregnate and supporte their African female servants /mistresses /slaves.

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  54. for all of you knuckleheads.yes,you are out there and you know who you are ( most especially the italian variety )

    http://racialreality.110mb.com/italians.html

    of topic or fuori tema as they say in italy/africa i’d like to introduce you all to an interesting web site.roissy might especially appreciate this one.focus on the links on the left-hand side of the page marked “womens secret” and “for half-wits”.

    http://members.iinet.net.au/~tramont/protruth/index.html

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  55. In Russia, “Black” means Caucasian. In USA, “Black” means Negro. Chechens are black or white?

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  56. “Wow, you nuts love arguing about race.”

    Your worldview is noted. People who make factually incorrect statements about population admixture are normal, people who correct them are “nuts”.

    “The mitochondrial studies that people here and elsewhere love quoting (with zero understanding) tells you (roughly) about when various groups arrived where and the effects of their in-breeding. That’s it! It certainly doesn’t tell you what many here thinks it tells you.”

    Instead of hiding behind cryptic accusations directed at an undefined group of people, why don’t you name names, and tell us exactly what specific people in this thread think admixture studies mean.

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  57. “I find it a bit amusing(sometimes telling) how offended some people become when you suggest that they have a few drops of negro blood.”

    Did this happen in this thread?

    “Just don’t question the Greeks European blood because that pisses off Roissy like nothing else.”

    The modus operandi here is truly fucking appalling. Make false, asinine assertions about population structure and then when someone corrects your bullshit, make insinuations about their racist motives for correcting you.

    Fuck you, chic noir. Fuck your stupidity. Fuck your narcissistic racial grievance.

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  58. Berlusconi made some hysterical comments about the Germans a while back too. Funny stuff. He is also untouchable and has scads of of money. These pissant media types are just jealous harpies looking for something, anything to write about. And anybody else who thinks he should apologize or made a racist comment is a fucking pussy. You know who you are.

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  59. Fuck you, chic noir. Fuck your stupidity. Fuck your narcissistic racial grievance.

    I think that’s a false diagnosis. It’s not race. She’s just being a typical female person.

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  60. Berlusconi is a mafioso greasy wop.

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  61. What have things come to, with greasy mafiosos, corrupt businessmen, and former KGB operatives being a better for their respective countries countres than leftist Eurocrats are to theirs.

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  62. “being a better bet for their respective countries”

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  63. Data points:

    – Some 5 years ago, one of Berluscioni’s officials (defense minister?) announced that north African refugees in boats bound for Italy’s coast will be treated as an invading force, and fired upon by the Italian navy.

    – When Chechen terrorists took Moscow theatre patrons hostage, Russian security forces gassed the place and summarily executed every unconscious terrorist with a pistol shot to the head. After the Beslan atrocity, Grozny is leveled.

    – When the United States losed 3,000 civilians in a spectacular terrorist attack, the American president rushed to declare the perpetrators’ faith as being a religion of peace. He then bankrupts his country in the most expensive social engineering project ever undertaken, and invites 1,500 Saudin students to study in the U.S.

    – Somalis revived high-seas piracy and stone 13-year-old rape victims. They are then invited by the thousands to Finland, Sweden and Norway.

    – I won’t even go into the U.K. Words are wasted on that sorry country, that’s how abased it now is.

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  64. “I think that’s a false diagnosis. It’s not race. She’s just being a typical female person.”

    Skeptic made the same insinuations, and I’ll bet that’s a male.

    I’ve encountered the same shit countless times before:

    Internet Troll #23489: “The ancient Egyptians were black, and they built the pyramids.”

    Me: “That’s not true; see references A, B, and C.”

    Internet Troll #23489: “Oh, I get it, so you think niggers are too stupid to build the pyramids.”

    It makes it even harder when they know my views on race and IQ, because then my “motives” are in question. But the truth or falseness of the propositions are all separate.

    I could care less if Sicilians are part black. Even if I did think black admixture was shameful [and I don’t], I am not Sicilian or Southern European at all. The common assertion that Sicilians or Italians or Greeks have disproportionate black admixture is false. And if you repeat the lie, I WILL correct you.

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  65. If anyone wants to read some great commentary on how abased unchecked liberalism has left the UK, the articles of Theodore Dalrymple are awesome:

    http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47

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  66. @66, Rain And:

    I think Skeptic’s point was a little different than Chic’s. I think he was saying if you go back far enough, everyone is descended from black people. I think he means the Mitochondial Eve, the single woman either from either modern-day Ethiopia, Tanzania or Kenya believed to be all mankind’s MCRE (most commone recent ancestor) and believed to have lived over 140,000 years ago. Hence his mention of mitochondrial studies and the 150,000 years ago figure:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Eve

    This is based on real studies and is quite different than Chic’s race-mixing assertions about Greeks or Sicilians.

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  67. “I could care less if Sicilians are part black.”

    Reminds me of the joke.

    Q. What do you call a Sicilian who marries a black woman?

    A. A social climber.

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  68. Both Skeptic and chic implied that certain people in this thread must be arguing against the admixture assertion because they were “horrified” about the idea of being admixed with blacks.

    “I think he was saying if you go back far enough, everyone is descended from black people.”

    This isn’t what was being discussed.. the admixture studies are conceptually distinct from this. And this statement is misleading. The human species evolved in Africa and branched out into Europe and Asia. The original humans were “black” in the sense that they likely had black-skin, but Negroids in the sense of a population defined by a specific shared collection of phenotypic and genetic traits, didn’t exist yet when human beings branched out of Africa. Whites did not descend from Negroids.. they are both relatively new races.

    Sicilians do not have disproportionate Negroid admixture.

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  69. Speaking of foreign alphas, more on Putin and his possible plans to test Obama for weakness….Berlusconi is mentioned:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081109233753.lmtu9caj&show_article=1

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  70. Dude, your post-Obama anger is palpable. Speaking as an unapologetic socialist/feminist man whore, your seething resentment is a beautiful thing to witness.

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  71. “Sicilians do not have disproportionate Negroid admixture.”

    Perhaps you have misunderstood the agitators in this argument. They are not teasing the Italians for being non-“caucasoid”, but for being somewhat non-white looking in appearance.

    The differences between Stockholm and graffiti-filled Milian are noticable and probably attributable to the native populations, which are phenotypically and culturally different. Still even the most corrupt, garbage-ridden city in southern italy is still more livable than the caucasoid West Bank or the feces-reeking major cities of India.

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  72. Whether they’re more commonly “somewhat non-white” is just a matter of opinion, whether you emphasize facial features or colour more. Scandinavians commonly look slightly Asian, Mediterraneans (except the very eastern ones) never do.

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  73. on November 10, 2008 at 9:28 pm Anonymous Coward

    His most famous clip

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  74. What lies have I told Roissy?

    Levi JohnstonPerhaps you have misunderstood the agitators in this argument. They are not teasing the Italians for being non-”caucasoid”, but for being somewhat non-white looking in appearance.
    Got it in one Levi.

    I’ve teased a few of my white associates when they returned from their vacations with dark tans. I told them if they had stayed in the sun a little while longer, they would be as dark me and would be able to pass for my brother or sister.

    Rain and make insinuations about their racist motives for correcting you.

    Fuck you, chic noir. Fuck your stupidity. Fuck your narcissistic racial grievance
    What racial grievance do I have Rain? When have I expressed anything but open minded thinking towards the commenters here? I allow people to show me who they are. Maybe you are angry because I am not a yes person who will simply go along with what other people think(prove)? Or maybe you are angry because I teased Roissy? Why should that bother you? Roissy is a man so he can look out for himself

    Rain I’ve never called anyone a racist here. If I want to call someone a racist believe me, I will. I was kidding around but somehow I struck a nerve with you. Sort of like how the men around here do when they make negative comment about big women and heavy women come out of lurkdom to make comments. Tupac is Italian but notice how he did not go off. Funny thing is this is not the first time I’ve seen you unload emotionally on someone here. Please calm down, it’s sooooooo not that serious. Be a woman and control yourself. You are older than I am for Christ sakes.

    And if you repeat the lie, I WILL correct you
    You certainly can. Who am I to stop you. Doesn’t mean I have to believe or agree with you thought 🙂

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  75. jaakkeli
    Whether they’re more commonly “somewhat non-white” is just a matter of opinion, whether you emphasize facial features or colour more

    Yes

    I think I also made a joke about hair texture too.

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  76. “Perhaps you have misunderstood the agitators in this argument. They are not teasing the Italians for being non-”caucasoid”, but for being somewhat non-white looking in appearance.”

    ok,dumb-dumbs you asked for it.heres another:

    http://racialreality.110mb.com/gallery.html

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  77. I had a Greek girlfriend (not Greek-American, but a Greek studying in the US), and she didn’t consider herself white. She always talked about “white people” as if she was referring to a different race, and claimed that she was a victim of racism on a number of occasions.

    This girl had a dark complexion, dark hair and eyes and when she was going to school in Southern California, was almost always mistaken for a Latin American. Mexicans would talk to her in Spanish and were surprised when she couldn’t answer them.

    She ended up getting into a major MBA program by applying to a prestigious minority outreach program, which prepared blacks, Hispanics and underrepresented Asian groups for admission. I believe she was the only person in that year’s program of European heritage.

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  78. PROOF of the Black-Sicilian connection!

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  79. 76 Chic:

    Tupac is Italian

    Uh…WTF?

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  80. Berlusconi was right not to apologize. He didn’t do anything wrong. Apologizing when you haven’t done anything wrong is pussy-ass. Doing so in response to social pressure is even more pathetic.

    But if you’ve actually done wrong, then apologizing is the only manly course of action. Refusal to apologize shows you’re just a different kind of pussy.

    That’s why Obama was right to apologize when he dissed Nancy Reagan. She’d never held seances, so he said something false, and it was a gratuitious shot at an old lady.

    On a more serious note, we may owe Russia an apology over Georgia. Recent evidence indicates that Georgian troops seriously fucked up, used way more force than they admitted to, and accidentally hit Russian troops. Memo to Georgia: That sort of accident earns you some major and instant negative feedback, dumbasses.

    The ability to admit error in response to objective evidence is what makes you a man; so is the ability to go against the group when the objective evidence doesn’t validate the group’s beliefs.

    In fact, confirmation bias, which is our instinct to look only for evidence that confirms our beliefs, is a very basic, (and bad, in modern society) instinct.

    Experimental evidence indicates that political partisans on both can be addicted to their beliefs; their brain’s pleasure center rewards them when they find a way to rationalize or explain away something unfavorable to their party.

    This confirmation bias can make clinically sane people behave in utterly insane ways.

    Kicking people in the nuts for displaying too much confirmation bias really motivates me.

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  81. xxx according to that site women have ” THE LONGING TO BE RAPED”

    *DEAD FAINT*

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  82. Tupac didn’t you post a comment saying that you are Italian but light in color?

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  83. @84

    hey chic – that was me!

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  84. Opps Joe T my mistake, I thought Tupac said he was Italian. Sorry Tupac for putting words into your mouth.

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  85. Keith saidThe ability to admit error in response to objective evidence is what makes you a man; so is the ability to go against the group when the objective evidence doesn’t validate the group’s beliefs

    I2I keith

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  86. 82 Dizzy/Spungen/anony:

    This confirmation bias can make clinically sane people behave in utterly insane ways.

    It’s also what gives “can-do” people the confidence and moral certitude to achieve great things while others are rendered impotent and inert through endless self-checking.

    “Origin of the logical.— How did logic come into existence in man’s head? Certainly out of illogic, whose realm originally must have been immense. Innumerable beings who made inferences in a way different from ours perished: for all that, their ways might have been truer! Those, for example, who did not know how to find often enough what is “equal” as regards both nourishment and hostile animals, who subsumed things too slowly and cautiously, were favored with a lesser probability of survival than those who guessed immediately upon encountering similar instances that they must be equal. The dominant tendency, however, to treat as equal what is merely similar, an illogical tendency—for nothing is really equal—is what first created any basis for logic. In order that the concept of substance could originate—which is indispensable for logic although in the strictest sense nothing real corresponds to it—it was likewise necessary that for a long time one did not see nor perceive the changes in things; the beings that did not see so precisely had an advantage over those that saw everything “in flux.” At bottom, every high degree of caution in making inferences and every skeptical tendency constitute a great danger for life. No living beings would have survived if the opposite tendency, to affirm rather than suspend judgment, to err and make up things rather than wait, to assent rather than negate, to pass judgment rather than be just—had not been bred to the point where it became extraordinarily strong.— The course of logical ideas and inferences in our brain today corresponds to a process and a struggle among impulses that are, taken singly, very illogical and unjust; we generally experience only the result of this struggle: this primeval mechanism now runs its course so quickly and is so well concealed.”

    –Nietzsche, The Gay Science

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  87. @88 “It’s also what gives “can-do” people the confidence and moral certitude to achieve great things while others are rendered impotent and inert through endless self-checking.”

    Since you’re actually trying to make a reasonable point, I’ll show leadership and let the douchey little name thing pass:

    I give you partial credit here.

    Entrepreneurs have unrealistic beliefs and faith in their own abilities, and this often benefits society.

    In fact, in cases where the the entrepreneur herself does not capture the benefits of her business, the unrealistic pioneer entrepreneurs create the most social value, even as they fail.

    But the system only works because entrepreneurs get constant feedback from the market system on whether taking the right courses of action. The entrepreneurs who can use this constant feedback to admit their error and change course the fastest are the ones who do better.

    For that reason, we should incorporate prediction markets into government bureaucracies. Bureaucrats get ahead by kissing ass and obtaining “social proof,” not by telling the truth. Prediction markets get us away from that, by creating a record of who was actually right about shit.

    Evolution gave us confirmation bias; our ancestors on the African plains were likely in situations where total commitment to their chosen course, regardless of the choice, was better for survival.

    But creating and sustaining civilization, which produces massive benefits, requires the ability to update beliefs in response to evidence. Dealing with anything complex requires that ability.

    Guys who don’t have that ability or reject that ability do better with a lot of women, because a lot of women are attracted at a primitive level to men with total belief in themself, no matter how utterly baseless.

    That’s cool, as long as those guys stay away from centers of social power. We don’t need that “alpha” shit when it comes to the serious decision making. We need independent men, who form intelligent beliefs and say what they believe regardless of status hierarchy considerations. These men may have a smaller niche market with the ladies, but the niche is there.

    Plus, guys who can take and incorporate feedback and not automatically believe that they’re the greatest are better at a lot of things.

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  88. That’s cool, as long as those guys stay away from centers of social power. We don’t need that “alpha” shit when it comes to the serious decision making.

    The masses will not follow someone who lacks that “alpha shit” no matter how on-point they are. The masses are children who are looking for a magical father figure to lead them.

    Now, if we could put Ron Paul’s knowledge and beliefs into Mitt Romney’s body we might be cooking with gas…

    P.S. Douchey-Alpha(tm): the only way to fly. Learn it, love it, live it.

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  89. 79

    I have blond lebanese friend who reserves the term white for nordic types. I am half-Italian and he doesn’t seem to think I’m white

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  90. @91

    Well, I am Italian and we Italians are Negroes. If anyone wants to differ with me, you can bite me.

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  91. I only consider myself 1/2 because I didn’t grow up surrounded by aunts, uncles, cousins etc. although in looks I take after my mom 100%. I once knew an orthodox jew whose mother, upon learning that her daughter was engaged to a guy from NOVA said “what kind of jew is from northern va?” I feel that way about Italians

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  92. @93

    Yeah, don’t all the Jews in the DC area live in Potomac, MD?
    They moved there from Bethesda, all at once.

    If they lived in Virginia, it would take too long to shag-ass it across the Cabin John Bridge when the Klan came a-callin’.

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  93. Wow, let’s play “Who has the biggest racial ‘issues'” game. Rain And, you go first!

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  94. don’t go any further south/west than Prince William county and you’ll be fine

    but yeah, most jews live in dc or md

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  95. @94 Joe T.

    “Well, I am Italian and we Italians are Negroes.”

    Tony Soprano said the same thing…only he didn’t say “Negroes”. 🙂

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  96. @96

    The poor idealistic policy wonks who work for “save the world” non-profits live in DC.

    The wealthy doctors, lawyers and consultants live in Maryland.

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  97. “The poor idealistic policy wonks who work for “save the world” non-profits live in DC.”

    A lot of those are Jews. And there are Jewish hipsters on U St. Where are you, btw?

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  98. It’s probably similar for Arabs, Turks, Albanians, Chechens, and Persians. They are for the most part racially white, or “close enough,” but culturally very different due to their religion.

    Latins and Slavs are the “barely” white in terms of culture, but the other groups that you listed are barely white in terms of race. I’ve considered Turks, Albanians, and Persians to be legitimate whites, but Arabs in a hazy zone where one can’t describe them. Hell, can one even group Lebanese and Egyptians in the same category?

    invites 1,500 Saudin students to study in the U.S.

    The theory is that we can make the Saudis white by showing them the glory of “whiteness”, and we’re hoping that they’ll bring the glory of whiteness to their homeland where they will spread it. Once whiteness is spread, it should pacify and turn them into Arabian versions of Westerners.

    They are then invited by the thousands to Finland, Sweden and Norway.

    Again, the theory is that we can make them into “white” Somalis who will live just like we do. By bring them and making them “white”, it will illustrate our cultural superiority.

    Russian security forces gassed the place and summarily executed every unconscious terrorist with a pistol shot to the head

    Russia’s not “white”. Whiteness ends east of the Oder River.

    Of course, it remains to be seen how a similar situation would play out in Western Europe or the Anglosphere. The main problem is the desire to protect the hostages from the a fire-fight in such an environment.

    I had a Greek girlfriend

    My non-date girlfriend is greek. Her brother is permanently tan, she’s pale and turns red in the sun.

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  99. I’m an ex NoVan, now living way out west… maybe moving back to the DC area with the Revolution having succeeded, though! 😉

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  100. @100

    David – wtf is a non-date girlfriend?

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  101. hey DA, this is OT, but would you consider this woman to be fat or chubby?

    http://www.arabiccelebrities.com/Gallery_H_pages/subpages_H/haifa_wehbe-0041.htm

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  102. @97

    Skeptic – I’m sure Tony said “African-Americans”, right?

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  103. you put that beta male in the white house? you’re a traitor to machismo.

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  104. David – wtf is a non-date girlfriend?

    It’s really a half-assed clunky term referring to a girl that I converted from potential romantic interest into female friend. At this point, I think we’re using each other for friendship. We went out again tonight and ate a recession dinner at the food court, and we walked around the mall. We also met her younger friend who openly described as beautiful.

    hey DA, this is OT, but would you consider this woman to be fat or chubby?

    Not fat, barely chubby, and just right. 🙂

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  105. ok, I’m just trying to ascertain what you mean by”fat” and “chubby”

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  106. she’s not a porn actress however 😦

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  107. @104 Joe. T

    Also not on the list:

    1) Black
    2) American of African descent
    3) Afro-American
    4) colored

    🙂

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  108. she’s not a porn actress however

    She has nails and a very sexual look. 🙂

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  109. David Alexander:

    Russia’s not “white”. Whiteness ends east of the Oder River.

    What, Poles aren’t “white”? Or just those from east of the Oder (I guess this would make Wroclaw quite multi-racial)? And what about Germans that inhabited East Prussia (~400km east of the Oder) until a few decades ago? Presumably, Immanuel Kant and David Hilbert weren’t “white” in your book. Perhaps you should try reading some history books that reach further back than the Cold War.

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  110. I’ll admit defeat, dig my grave now, and avoid starting an intellectually dishonest debate where I make up shit as I go along.

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  111. Let us say that “Western-“ness–okay, Latin Christendom–fades east and south of the Vistula or Dneiper or Don, depending. Some Russo-or-Serbo-philes regard Orthodox Christian culture as an ideal neither-West-nor-East. And go far enough and you’re in dar al-Islam.

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  112. I’ve considered Turks, Albanians, and Persians to be legitimate whites, but Arabs in a hazy zone where one can’t describe them. Hell, can one even group Lebanese and Egyptians in the same category?

    I grew up in a city with quite a few Lebanese Christians, a city with high ethnic consciousness, and no one ever thought of them as anything except another white ethnic group. The city also has a substantial number of Albanians, most of them nominally Muslim, and once again they’re not considered a racial minority. Lastly, the town where I now live has quite a few Turks, and as with the Lebanese and Albanians they too seem to be considered white. Don’t know about Persians, I’ve never really known any.

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  113. The MOST alpha thing to do when Betas try to force you to ‘say sorry’ is to promptly say ‘Make Me.’

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  114. Kudos for that Fuck you in correct orthography.

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