Happy Thanksgiving





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  1. on November 27, 2008 at 11:30 am professional_cool_guy

    no fat chicks.

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  2. What is Peter’s opinion on the second video?

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  3. on November 27, 2008 at 11:42 am ironrailsironweights

    Who needs turkey, when GNP is so much tastier?

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  4. on November 27, 2008 at 12:03 pm ironrailsironweights

    What is Peter’s opinion on the second video?

    I’ve decided to become an anorectic. I’d be a bulimic, but my fingers aren’t very long and I hate the taste of Ipecac syrup.

    Peter

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  5. This guy is f’n hillarious. At first I thought he sounded like an alpha – talking slowly, deliberately. After all, fat guys with attitude can do well with women: the fictional Tony Soprano, or the real-life young Meatloaf.

    Then I noticed that it’s not “alpha.” He’s just so fucking out of shape he can’t draw his breath fast enough to stand and talk at the same time.

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  6. “Who needs turkey, when GNP is so much tastier?”

    Turkey’s the tradition, but I see no reason why fish cannot be added. In fact I heartily approve.

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  7. Turkey’s beta. Go hunt yourself up some cougar.

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  8. I learned the truth at seventeen
    That love was meant for beauty queens
    And high school girls with clear skinned smiles
    Who married young and then retired

    What a pathetic song! One need only take one example (Christy Brinkley anyone?) to realize that envying beauty queens is a monumental waste of emotion. Thanks for the reminder, roissy. Also if beauty queens attract the likes of our host; I’d rather not be one. Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving all!

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  9. She delivered that song with the grace of a someone who had suffered profoundly and came out of it a better person.

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  10. Though the dig at ‘cheerleaders’ in the intro betrays bitternes, a bad quality.

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  11. Cheerleaders rule, I’ve got hundreds of pictures I’ve downloaded from the internet.

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  12. She wrote that song at 24. Usually everyone learns those things at 17, but represses them at 25, obviously to the benefit of their mental health. The only girls who remember are the ugly ducklings like Lemmonex, because there’s such a great contrast between then and now.

    She could have been much more bitter about it, as most women who interact daily with pretty young things are: “I’m so glad I’m not a ditzy, giggly airhead with tight skin and a high ass anymore…”

    Guys go through a transition around 25 when they come to value the beauty queen types who they may have hated in high school. You find them refreshing. So that makes it even worse for aging women — that their male peers are traitors who would rather date a perky, upbeat girl than a woman who’s “established her career.”

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  13. Here’s Emmylou Harris on OGWT at 30, vs. Janis Ian being 25 in that video:

    That’s what most beauty queens are like — they’re pretty and talented, which drives other women mad with envy.

    And while not good-looking, Rosie Hamlin still maintained her girly voice well into adulthood:

    Wouldn’t help her much with a guy who has a lot of options, but for who she’s realistically choosing from at her age, that voice and demeanor add a point.

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  14. After viewing the 2nd video I’ve lost my appetite and want to hit the treadmill after dinner.

    Looks like the dude from 7 before he ate himself to death.

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  15. agnostic,
    I understand that you’re not attracted to women who are no longer teenagers, but why do you seem to actively dislike them?

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  16. Hello, that’s not a very good question to answer, because almost no man will tell you the truth about it.

    …but take it from me, an actively disliked non teenager and non beauty queen, even when I was a teenager. The answer is always about entitlement and self pity.

    Nobody actually needs to justify their preferences, but some guys feel they do. It’s because it’s not enough for them to reject a certain type of people. They want the people they reject to be hurt by it, and to kiss their ass in spite of it.

    I dealt with a guy like this in high school, who started calling me a bitch every day because even though he didn’t know me, I lacked a certain level of deference he was used to getting from new girls who weren’t “hot”. I could twist his head off with my hands if I really wanted to, so my reaction to his bullying other kids was to tell him and them that he was pathetic. Rather than adapt and survive, he chose to fight nature, to his social damnation.

    So somewhere out there, if he’s figured out how to turn on a computer, he’s probably kvetching about teh horrorz of living in a world where not every woman is falling over herself to appeal to his desires, or sending him formal letters of apology for turning 25.

    Agnostic, proportionally few women actually thought or knew they were hot in their teens. A great many of the tight young chicks think they are hideous, and perhaps just a bit less hideous than less conforming peers, and that men are sex crazed fools.

    What usually happens around the mid 20’s is that they realize they’re not so bad. So there is some legitimate relief at not being pervert bait anymore…brightens one’s worldview a bit.

    That’s also the age when stuff their moms (hopefully) told them starts to really take hold. Hitting 25 starts to separate the fortunate-to-have-looked-good-that-long, from the MILF. The latter these days seem to be in shorter supply, which is why I can understand many guys preferring younger women. Most of you don’t know what actually goes into looking nice over 30 unless you’re Patrick 😉

    So…you think women just start to break down at 25, some sooner, and that those of us who don’t have a cameltoe developing on our foreheads at 35+ are just lucky.

    Luck has nothing to do with it. Now someone pass me the Nivea.

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  17. OMG, I think I know that guy. o.O

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  18. You broads are adorably funny sometimes. But it’s sad that the irony is lost on you — that women start thinking that they look great right as their looks begin to fade, while they think they’re hideous at the time when any red-blooded guy will stare at the plump, radiant skin on their thighs, and when they have at least 5 to 10 years of don’t-even-have-to-try beauty left.

    Better looking and less of an ego? Yeah, sign me up for that.

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  19. This has nothing to do with the post, but will confirm Roissy’s suspicions. From one of my favorite books, “The Ethical Slut,” I quote:

    “Joe was very possessive. I was perfectly faithful. He would beat me, screaming imprecations, ‘You slut!’ when another man looked at me. After I left, I decided he was right — I am a slut, I want to be a slut, I will never promise monogamy again. After all, why would any care who I fucked? I will never be a piece of property again, no matter how valuable that property is considered. Joe made a feminist of me. A feminist slut.”

    Roissy – is there any public intersection between the poly community and the pickup community? I’ve been a member of the former for some time; only recently interested in the second.

    There is a very strong poly community in DC. Attendance usually requires a committed couple.

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  20. Agnostic, sorry to interrupt your fantasy with reality, but not all red blooded guys get off on acne, spontaneous perspiration, and needless drama. The age that girls reach sexual maturity varies, and most really aren’t starting to be there until at least 17.

    …and even then, with the variety of looks, unless one is a teen fetishist, one can’t really say that teenagers as a group are truly more attractive than women at their peak (23-27ish). I was a teenager at one time…and I was not what anyone here except the rougher set would deem “shaggable”.

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  21. If Agnostic keeps going on about teens for another year, it’ll be clear that there is some kind of retardation of development in that boy’s psyche.

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  22. Agnostic,
    I am simply not wired to dislike people solely because they don’t attract me. However it’s a very common sentiment so I was genuinely curious.

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  23. PA:
    Considering his age, one questions the use of “it’ll”.

    I did la vida escuela up until last year. I taught hundreds of teenaged freshmen and sophomores as part of my TAing lecturing duties for three years. There were some drop dead gorgeous ones, some ones you took pity on, and the vast herd of the average looking.

    Yes, some look damn good, and most of them are at a physical peak, even if the vast majority of them don’t know that coming to school in pajamas and flip flops is about as attractive as wearing a garbage bag. They follow ridiculous fashions and fads for the most part, in accordance to the the clique which they feel best expresses their “individuality”.

    To the man in his late 20s that I was (I’ve just bumped the cusp into 30 last month), they were mind-bogglingly naive, awkward and immature. Unlearned in both the things taught in books and classrooms and the much more important things taught on the street and the workplace, they believed themselves quite beyond the fuddy-duddy tweedy profs and their harried caffeine addicted lackies like myself. They carried themselves with such imperturbable self-confidence that one would sometimes wish they would get a harsh comeuppance for their pride.

    That’s not to say I didn’t have flings with a couple of them. Even in his late 20s a man cannot dissuade himself from the determined motives of the physically attractive, even if ineptly advanced. Hell, one of them still has an on-off thing with me of sorts, though she’s in her 20s now herself.
    I digress, if anything those experiences warded me away from all that madness quite quickly. There’s a difference between succumbing to physical temptation and actually seeking out such a thing.

    Knowing what I know, and more importantly knowing who I’ve known in my all-too-many years of avoiding the real world, I’ve come to hold serious reservations on any character who holds that an 18 year old girl is the paragon of femininity. Hell, anyone who fetishizes any age as some sort of ur-biological replacement for a Platonic ideal is somewhat warped in my book. Time wears at all of us and there’s no going back. Considering the person I was at 18 myself, Lord knows I don’t want to go back.

    Ah, but I’m being all too serious for le chateau d’Roissy.

    So… TITTIES.
    BIG BOUNTIFUL BODACIOUS TITTIES. Grab ’em while they’re hawt! ‘Den slap dat bitch up a little. ‘Cause you deserve it, you alpha male, you.

    That about evens out the intellectual and aesthetic scale, no?

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  24. on November 28, 2008 at 10:19 am ironrailsironweights

    I’ve come to hold serious reservations on any character who holds that an 18 year old girl is the paragon of femininity. Hell, anyone who fetishizes any age as some sort of ur-biological replacement for a Platonic ideal is somewhat warped in my book. Time wears at all of us and there’s no going back.

    Ah, but you must understand: according to the Conventional Wisdom of the Blogosphere, females become hideous barren scags by age 25, 30 if they’re very lucky, while males remain young and virile, Dorian Gray-style, seemingly forever.

    Peter

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  25. Hell, anyone who fetishizes any age as some sort of ur-biological replacement for a Platonic ideal is somewhat warped in my book.

    when was the last time you wanted to fuck a 70 year old woman?

    Ah, but you must understand: according to the Conventional Wisdom of the Blogosphere

    you misspelled Humanosphere.

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  26. Ben:

    From one of my favorite books, “The Ethical Slut,” I quote

    I think that you seriously need to consider burning that book, shaving your head, and spending the next 3-5 years living alone in the desert.

    When you get back, you’ll thank me for it.

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  27. “when was the last time you wanted to fuck a 70 year old woman?”

    Low-is-he,
    I’ve never wanted to fuck a 70 year old man.

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  28. dork dorked:
    Low-is-he,

    lame. stick to what you do well — being dull.

    I’ve never wanted to fuck a 70 year old man.

    jack nicholson’s heart will go on.

    in other news, women’s expiration date remained much shorter than men’s.

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  29. Thras: great AMOG line. I’ll use that.

    -Ben

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  30. Roissy, in general, you may be right, but there are exceptions. If one lives and mates among the herd, one reaps the rewards of such, and one of them is a shorter expiration date.

    If I did the crap most women do, I’d probably have butt cheeks formed between my eyebrows and a permafrown at 38 too.

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  31. Roe vs. Wade,
    I’ll grant you that female fertility and sexual desirability is briefer than men’s, but the number of men in their 70s who are hot enough to bag much younger women without a boatload of money are VERY few and far between. Nicholson is a movie star who earns his bread by being sexy and enticing. There are older actresses, like Helen Mirren, whom younger men find attractive and probably could seduce many (using more than a little money) as does Nicholson but most simply don’t want to. Susan Sarandon has a younger husband, but how many seventy year old women want harems of younger men? Among non-movie stars I imagine the number of 70 year old men who are genuinely attractive to younger women is not much greater than their female counterparts.

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  32. Nic,
    You posted a link to your website before but I forgot to bookmark it. Could you do so again?

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  33. Congratulations on completely missing my point, Old Scratch! You have my applause.

    You do realize that even the devil himself realizes that there’s more to life than putting his penis into holes, right? There are other pleasures and temptations far beyond your cairn.

    Still, you only play the devil on the internet and as a mortal, you’ll age and rot like the rest of us, though probably with less grace and most likely less the wiser. When the curtain falls some 30-50 years yonder (as I do not think your groveling before the altar of biotech will reap much fruit), there will be some new young turk putting on the red long-johns and plastic horns proclaiming all your sayings as the false delusions of a member of yet another self-satisfied previous generation (and there’s some metaphorical generosity granted in that assessment, as it assumes that you will be remembered past the fleeting mayfly years that the internet lends even its most major celebrity).

    Still for the present, the slow-motion car wreck is interesting to watch, and I do like being entertained.

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  34. on November 28, 2008 at 6:55 pm Comment_Facts_Are_Facts

    ******
    You do realize that even the devil himself realizes that there’s more to life than putting his penis into holes, right? There are other pleasures and temptations far beyond your cairn.
    ******
    Notice how many players like “women of few men”, who are intellectual, in their late 20s. And they have the experience to know what they like.

    Less men=Less emotional baggage/damage/bad habits

    More intellectual=Much more depth as the years go by.

    And that swamps declining looks.

    But what happens to the AVERAGE woman as she gets older?

    Her attractiveness goes down.

    She has had more time to acquire psychotic emotional baggage from prior boyfriends.

    Since I don’t believe in collective guilt(for men and white people only, of course!), I don’t like being “held to account” for something I didn’t do. For sex I never enjoyed, for love I was never given.

    Also, most women don’t bother to actually learn things. A 30 year old man will know more than a 20 year old man. Most women’s “depth” increases much, much, slower. And what (little) depth most gain is, in absolute fact, completely burried underneath the two above points.

    Accept with intellectual women of relatively few men. In which case many super-playas LIKE. Or get REALLY mad at. Pretty much the same difference.

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  35. on November 29, 2008 at 6:18 am Schaumburg Steve

    “She delivered that song with the grace of a someone who had suffered profoundly and came out of it a better person.”

    The fact that she got a hit record out of it didn’t hurt.

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  36. There you go, Hello…though I am tempting fate here. For the rest of you, WARNING: That website contains images of a warpig with no makeup, long natty dreadlocks, and *massive* natural breasts.

    Schaumberg, she’s one of the lucky ones who has a talent. Doing better than the peers who picked on or passed over you, and making a public spectacle of it isn’t graceful. It’s vindictive.

    It’s vindictive like…making up a mythology that your prophet will return and strike down all the people who don’t believe in your faith.

    This is why I got all that crap out of my system while I was actually in high school. Then I didn’t have to carry it around with me afterwards.

    If someone has an ugly ducking thing going on, then that means their priorities were and still are out of whack. Instead of enjoying her youth and doing all kinds of stuff that you don’t get to do when you get older, she was apparently torturing herself for not being a cheerleader.

    I go back every few years to look at my alumni boards, and I honestly think it would have been a grave disservice to my class, not just myself, if I had taken people’s crap and closed in on myself just because some of them were stupid. I’d have been teaching them a bad lesson about life, and the ones who did snap out of it, might not have.

    If anyone feels like an ugly ducking, try this: not giving a damn about it, and having a life. Nobody keeps you home on a Friday but you…and maybe your parents. 😉

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  37. Got it. Thanks Nic.

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  38. spike droned:
    Congratulations on completely missing my point, Old Scratch!

    “old scratch”?

    You have my applause.

    save it for those who want it.

    You do realize that even the devil himself realizes that there’s more to life than putting his penis into holes, right?

    sadistic cruelty comes to mind.

    There are other pleasures and temptations far beyond your cairn.

    you write like a mid-level warlock with a -5 masculinity sword.

    Still, you only play the devil on the internet

    so certain are you?

    and as a mortal, you’ll age and rot like the rest of us,

    all the more reason to accept the lord hedonism.
    while you still can…

    though probably with less grace and most likely less the wiser.

    define grace.

    When the curtain falls some 30-50 years yonder (as I do not think your groveling before the altar of biotech will reap much fruit),

    are you eager to rot and die?

    there will be some new young turk putting on the red long-johns and plastic horns proclaiming all your sayings as the false delusions of a member of yet another self-satisfied previous generation (and there’s some metaphorical generosity granted in that assessment, as it assumes that you will be remembered past the fleeting mayfly years that the internet lends even its most major celebrity).

    i’m here to have fun. what are you here for?

    Still for the present, the slow-motion car wreck is interesting to watch, and I do like being entertained.

    you misspelled “operational death star” and “being a designated target”.
    hope this hurts.

    ps: i’ll take it your answer to my leetle question is that you have never wanted to fuck a 70 year old woman.
    but i’m sure they make great crocheting company.

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  39. hello:
    but the number of men in their 70s who are hot enough to bag much younger women without a boatload of money are VERY few and far between.

    you forgot to mention power, fame, looks, charm and assertiveness. all these attributes help men of whatever age become more attractive to the opposite sex in a way they don’t help women.

    There are older actresses, like Helen Mirren, whom younger men find attractive

    wishful thinking in da houze!
    don’t you know that when guys go on about helen mirren’s looks what they are really saying is she looks GOOD FOR HER AGE.
    which, at 60, isn’t saying much.
    heh.

    and probably could seduce many (using more than a little money) as does Nicholson but most simply don’t want to.

    proof by assertion.

    Susan Sarandon has a younger husband, but how many seventy year old women want harems of younger men?

    not many 20 year old women want harems of men. most want a monogamous relationship with a single alpha.

    Among non-movie stars I imagine the number of 70 year old men who are genuinely attractive to younger women is not much greater than their female counterparts.

    your imagination needs stretching. the trend is pretty clear — barring the recent demi moore exceptions (and i place good odds that her boy toy will leave her within 5 years for a younger, hotter lover), older hollywood leading men have their pick of the youthful litter while older leading actresses are left pining alone wondering where the good men went, or sticking by their alpha husbands and turning a blind eye to his super sexy mistresses.
    or: jack nicholson is no exception to the rule.

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