Reader Mailbag: Lez Just Be Friends Edition

Email #1: “It’s a part of my rock and roll fantasy”

 I absolutely love your blog. I have a question that maybe you can answer, but first let me point out, I am currently a corporate slave.
My question is, what is the best type of job to have to allow one to go out from 10-2 a.m. four days a week? I work a 8:30-5 job like most hacks, and am not able to do to stay out those hours and function at work; so, I usually go home at 11. Lame huh?
I don’t want to be a bartender because of the pay, and the fact that I like to go to 2-3 bars in a given night–I would not want to be confined to a single bar. Being a rock and roll musician can get one a lot of tale, but there are only a few that reach the level where they can have a comfortable life. I have thought about possibly becoming a realtor because then I could sleep in until 11, which would allow me to pursue fresh game until 2-3 a.m., since I could set my own work schedule. Other self-employment ideas would allow that as well, I just cannot think of other ideas.
Being on tv or radio can get one laid because it allows for fame; however, I find these options unrealistic because of the few slots open and all the competition.
(As a side-note, I have been considering setting up a nude photography business to attract girls which will do just about anything (note: not hardcore)).

In the culture,

S.

Any kind of job involving international travel, embassies, and diplomats should score you tons of poon. Bonus points if you can’t talk about your job in detail. Forget the 10-2 a.m. target acquisition window; that’s limited thinking. Your hunting grounds are everywhere and all the time. Going home at 11 p.m. is a non-issue. You should be doing most of your womanizing before 11 anyhow, when you aren’t competing with the late night sausage hordes.

International stays in a corporate or governmental context automatically give you a massive DHV inasmuch as you will be seen as the “expert from afar” or the exotic “other”.

Learn a language or two. Knowing how to speak the native tongue of your preferred foreign hottie is worth $50K in pickup workshops. I suggest Russian and Czech.

Some corporate careers are better than others at infusing you with a PUA attitude. Publishing, corporate law partnership, and Hill lobbyist come to mind. Real estate is good, too, because it puts you in contact with lots of gina tingly housewives and single yuppie lawyer cunts.

By the way, some bartenders make very good money. I know one who just bought a $400K condo with his fiancee.

Setting up a photography studio in your home is gold. Try to get a side job freelancing for a local rag. Submit your photos to art shows. Put ads on craigslist seeking models to pose for “avant-garde Parisian photographer in the US for a major gallery exhibit.” Never underestimate the vanity or the gullibility of America’s urban sluts.

Email #2: “Cause she’s cold-blooded, check it and see”

LMR ever?

The other night I had this 18yo on the back of my car, we had made out a few time. She was naked on the back seat with her legs spread open and her back against the window, I was naked and had just put a condom on, and just when I my dick touched her pussy and I was finding her glourious hole she said ‘Not gonna happen’ to which I replied ‘Well, it is happening’.
She then got dressed, said something to the effect of ‘I lost my virginity 2 nights ago (other guy not me) and im not gonna do it in the back of a car’ and I kept my usual aloofness but inside I was confused as hell.
WTF happened and wtf did I do wrong? Was it just LMR and I didn’t know how to get through it?

V.

Your retort was unacceptable. “Well, it is happening” forced the issue on her. You boxed her in, so no wonder she clamped up. A better response would have been to keep your cool, get dressed, and drive her home silently. She would have gotten confused and asked what was up, at which point you would say “I have to get up early.”

Look, dude, you’re dealing with a Class A skank whore. She lost her virginity two nights ago (if she’s telling the truth) to another dude and now she’s in the car fooling around with you. Chicks like this are master manipulators of male egos. They love the validation they get from hard cocks being pushed up in their faces, and then they power trip by denying those cocks sweet release. You need to play advanced aloof and indifferent game with these types. They are what are known as “primative women” and won’t respond to anything but glorious asshole game.

Email #3: “Edwina Scissorlegs”

Been reading your blog. Not gonna comment on some of your philosophy, but 99% of your tips seem right on.

I’ve been dating typical dykes for a while, which is getting boring. Straight girls seem hotter, more femme, and easier to just fuck for a while without having to move in on the second date. (I’m not even gonna talk about the bi ones.)

What’s your take on chicks who want to pick up other chicks? Any special tips for us butch bitches looking to break down the great straight barrier?

T. (woman’s name)

99%? Damn, I must be losing my edge. My take on lez chicks picking up straight chicks: Probably not much different than dudes picking up chicks. Not that I have much experience as a lesbian picking up chicks, but I’d imagine that whatever turns on a straight girl isn’t going to be much different depending on whether the game is coming from a lesbian suitor or a male suitor. In other words, if you’re a needy, desperate, cloying, awkward, ugly beta lesbian you’ll do about as well as a beta male. One exception might be that a straight girl contemplating sexual delights with another woman would be likely to emphasize the looks of her female suitor and de-emphasize her suitor’s social status. Why do I say this? Because in my observation, every experimental female bisexual couple I’ve known were hot, while the true blue dedicated lesbian couples I see around town all the time are usually quite ugly and mannish. My conclusion is that full-time lesbians are less concerned about looks in a long term partner (and in themselves). They probably respond well to 100% rapport game. So my advice for picking up bicurious babes is to make yourself look as good as possible, wear something trendily sexy (but not slutty), and give the girl a few sincere compliments about her style or the way she carries herself. Try to isolate her away from her friends as soon as possible, and spend a good hour or two in a dark lounge having deep profound conversation on a vinyl sofa.

In related news you can use, what is the ratio of gay men to lesbians in typical US cities? It’s gotta be 50 to 1.

Email #4: “Get in now! Only a few spots left!”

I found your blog on the advice of a very smart guy.  I read up on Game several years ago w/ the usual suspects, Mystery, Strauss, DeAngelo.  Have definitely lost my way over the years as I become more obsessed with new things (mostly poker and some career related projects).  Your blog is the best I’ve seen, and has really reinvigorated my belief in the benefits of it.  I’ll cut to the chase, I am a big believer in professional services, I’ve hired people to teach me lots of things.  I haven’t really seen a business component to your site but am inquiring if you offer customized analysis beyond the blog.

Regards,

N.

I’ve gotten a few emails like this guy’s lately. While I’m flattered, I doubt I will be offering any professional services, for a couple of reasons. One, while I’m quite good at observing flaws in a man’s game and general presentation, and giving him advice on what to fix, I’m a lackadaisical motivator. I don’t have it in me to “push you into sets” or “pump up your state”. Two, there a lot of businesses out there that provide pickup tutelage, game theory, and style advice. Some are good, some not so good. My impression is that the market for these services is currently saturated.

But I might consider doing one-on-one personal consultations for a small fee, or a beer, or maybe even free of charge, just for fun. I think I would get a kick out of helping a guy get positive reactions from women.

PS: Unless you are making beaucoup bucks off it, or you only play occasionally for fun, drop the poker. It’s a pointless timesuck. It’s World of Warcraft minus an avatar.





Comments


  1. So Roissy works for the State Department? While this makes sense (realist, WASPy airs, etc.) I’m surprised you’d have this site. Sure it’s anonymous but I think most of the readers at least know what you look like and the odds have gotten be in favor of your identity eventually being known by more people.

    So do you just not care about the danger or am I missing something? Are those pictures of you not even real? Interesting.

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  2. Appropriate response to the women in email 2 refusing intercourse:

    “get the fuck out of my car”

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  3. Forget the 10-2 a.m. target acquisition window; that’s limited thinking. Your hunting grounds are everywhere and all the time. Going home at 11 p.m. is a non-issue. You should be doing most of your womanizing before 11 anyhow, when you aren’t competing with the late night sausage hordes.

    Absolutely. If you haven’t explored the wide world of daygame, you should. Once you do, you may never go back to bargame. It’s SO much easier with so much less stress and a lot less distractions for you to compete with.

    If you are just starting out in daygame, my advice is to go out for a half hour or hour a day, rather than just planning to open women everywhere. There are too many excuses (read too much approach anxiety) to not do that approach during the day, and going out for a set time focuses you on doing it.

    One of the drawbacks of daygame is that there is generally a higher density of women in bars. But if you are in any type of urban environment, going out for a half hour to an hour a day should put you in the running to actually get into conversations with much higher quality women.

    Eric

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  4. Why corporate law? Working 80 hours a week on a slow week is DHV or path to middle age despondency? Lobbying, OTH…

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  5. i think your answer to the 18 yr old skank situation was perfect .
    ive never had a guy do that to me and i’ve probably done that to 2 or 3 guys .

    would you suggest that he take her to his place next time or somewhere she’d be more comfortable ?
    (i too have qualms about having sex in a car)

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  6. S. intoned, with gravitas:

    Being a rock and roll musician can get one a lot of tale

    being a blogist also can get one a lot of amazing letters.

    Now I know why I’ll never be able to stand the wonder of it all.

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  7. on September 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Eric,

    What would you suggest to a man who, ironically, is quite bold and well-practiced in clubs, while still totally unable to do consistent daytime approaches? Fear that holds the man back creeps in during the daytime, despite have had usually positive reception from the few he has done.

    This is ironic, yes, but it happens.

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  8. Nah, I doubt roissy works for the State Dept.

    The lesbian obseravtion is right on the money. I remember T aka Ricky Raw’s post about female swagger. The women who are dregging the lake looking for an acceptable partner sometimes turn to lesbianism because those females have many of the qualities that men in this country *used* to have. bull-dykes are stoic, tough, and don’t take shit from many.

    those women experimenting with lesbianism and not looking to be tied down are much like high school girls trying out boys. they are attracted to the glam and the glitz and choose pretty women who are probably also experimenting.

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  9. Nadia

    “i think your answer to the 18 yr old skank situation was perfect .
    ive never had a guy do that to me and i’ve probably done that to 2 or 3 guys .

    would you suggest that he take her to his place next time or somewhere she’d be more comfortable ?
    (i too have qualms about having sex in a car)”

    No i believe my “get the fuck out my car” was more appropriate. No such thing as a girl who won’t have sex in a car, just a girl who hasn’t been gamed properly to do what shes fucking told, best to cut your losses and let her walk home.
    Also if you refuse to have sex in a car does this mean you’ve never had it in a public place? i thought this shit was pretty standard.

    oh deary me.

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  10. Eric,

    What would you suggest to a man who, ironically, is quite bold and well-practiced in clubs, while still totally unable to do consistent daytime approaches? Fear that holds the man back creeps in during the daytime, despite have had usually positive reception from the few he has done.

    This is ironic, yes, but it happens.

    During the day you have the “flashlight of god” shining down on you. Compared to bargame, it’s quiet, bright and everyone around you can hear everything you’re saying. The stakes feel higher.

    But you also have the ability to do a lot of things that wouldn’t work as much in bars. One is using your environment to ramp up into the game.

    Start asking women for directions to the library.

    Stand next to a girl in a bookstore, pick up a book and say “Have you heard anything about this book?”

    Stand next to her in a supermarket and ask about a food item.

    When you’re opening a lot like this, consistent daytime approaches become easier.

    Eric

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  11. Re: the lesbian.

    When she’s having that intense, two hour conversation on the sofa with the straight girl, she needs to frame lesbianism, or being bi-curious in a way that is all too common and acceptable, so that the other woman feels comfortable being blaise about the situation.

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  12. “My question is, what is the best type of job to have to allow one to go out from 10-2 a.m. four days a week?”

    Extacy Dealer.

    Great hours, high profit, and none of those pesky job interviews.

    – MPM

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  13. i thought that’s what you would say about poker…..

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  14. on September 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I know one who just bought a $400K condo with his fiancee.

    Fiancee? May god have mercy on his soul.

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  15. “Unless you are making beaucoup bucks off it, or you only play occasionally for fun, drop the poker. It’s a pointless timesuck. ”

    Although I have actually mostly retired from the world of poker, I disagree.

    Poker can help your Game and your ability to read people.

    – MPM

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  16. Czech is a bitch.

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  17. on September 2, 2009 at 1:54 pm ironrailsironweights

    Unless you are making beaucoup bucks off it, or you only play occasionally for fun, drop the poker. It’s a pointless timesuck. It’s World of Warcraft minus an avatar.

    I’ve heard that serious poker players do pretty well with women. Far better than WoW nerds, which admittedly isn’t saying much.

    Peter

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  18. “PS: Unless you are making beaucoup bucks off it, or you only play occasionally for fun, drop the poker. It’s a pointless timesuck. It’s World of Warcraft minus an avatar.”

    I don’t play either, but I’ve read of more than a few successful businessmen in various fields who claimed to hone some of their skills via poker.

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  19. “Learn a language or two.”

    Strong advice.

    Not only does it help with swooping Foreign girls, I works wonders on American girls as well.

    A little Japanese at the sushi joint, a little Italian at the Trattoria a little French at the bistro, and American girls turn to jello.

    – MPM

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  20. Eric,

    What would you use as a step 2 beyond those platonic, low-intensity daygame openers?

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  21. [learnign a foreign language] works wonders on American girls as well.

    I once made out with a girl at a bar in front of her LJBF betas by realistically faking a Russian accent and telling her I am a journalist doing a Rolling Stone-sponsored article on night life in Amyereeka.

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  22. The Fifth Horseman

    “I know one who just bought a $400K condo with his fiancee.

    Fiancee? May god have mercy on his soul.”

    Ha.

    I noticed that too.

    (Drink) Recipe for Disaster.

    – MPM

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  23. She was naked on the back seat with her legs spread open and her back against the window, I was naked and had just put a condom on, and just when I my dick touched her pussy and I was finding her glourious hole she said ‘Not gonna happen’

    Shove her out of the car, minus her clothes, and drive away.

    Buh-bye, teasing bitch.

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  24. PA

    [learnign a foreign language] works wonders on American girls as well.

    “I once made out with a girl at a bar in front of her LJBF betas by realistically faking a Russian accent and telling her I am a journalist doing a Rolling Stone-sponsored article on night life in Amyereeka.”

    Bam!

    Advanced technique there.

    I used to always swoop on American girls in Italy, pretending with a fake accent that I was from Spain.

    I have been meaning to write a Manifesto on using fake accents.

    Super stylish.

    – MPM

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  25. Roissy,

    Nothing revolutionary, but another way to number close, in line with your ‘one word game.’

    You’ve talked to her for some time, and established a good connection. While chatting, you casually pull out your phone, start a new contact, put her first name in and hand her the phone. Call the number if you like, and close your phone. All the while you’re talking about the time you hiked the appalachian trail. No asking, or even commanding.

    Done it twice, tipsy both times and had been talking to the girl for 20+ minutes. Gonna keep trying this in different settings.

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  26. Eric Disco evangelized:

    During the day you have the “flashlight of god” shining down on you.

    christ. now that old bastard’s seen my cock too? what else won’t he do to me next.

    My guess: steal my Game and start his own PUA Co. seminars.

    God Game: Mackin’ The Mortals $2,750

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  27. PA is correct.

    Seductive Eastern European accents are more effective than Southern European ones, since the latter can be too kitschy and overdone. Girls are expecting the Italian to pull a fast one on them. The powers of the Russian accent are far-reaching… Especially if they are cutely foreign about it.

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  28. I once made out with a girl at a bar in front of her LJBF betas by realistically faking a Russian accent and telling her I am a journalist doing a Rolling Stone-sponsored article on night life in Amyereeka.

    Was this before or after Borat?

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  29. I think girls should learn fake accents too. I do East AND West Canadian, think I might move into French Canadian next. Oui Oui?

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  30. Was this before or after Borat?

    This was before Borat. 1995. Borat had that goofy Yakoff-Smirnovian accent, “what a kahntreeee.” My fake russian accent was Putin, before anyone knew who Putin is. Low, from the bottom of a barell, slow and assassin-like.

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  31. In response to Tarl:

    Hopefully it was after Borat, and later that night in bed he shouted “King of the castle, king of the castle” in his perfected Eastern European accent.

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  32. Foreign postings? Embassies? Foreign languages? yegads. I’m not so sure bureaucrats in pinstriped suits are the top of the male heap in this day and age. But hey- I could be wrong. I also think this type decreases in value outside the Beltway.

    The car cocktease is pretty evil. I think kicking her naked ass out is the right thing morally in that situation, but a silent ride home is probaly the gentlemanly thing do to.

    @GMan- yeah, lol, but the downside to X dealing is potential time in the pen. The only G-like aspects of life in there are letters from random besotted women on the outside, per Monday’s post.

    @sofia- you want Russian lessons? Happy to oblige. Contact me any time.

    @FP- lol. HWJS – How Would Jesus Sarge? “Hey doll- want some wine? Just watch this…” 🙂

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  33. on September 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm ironrailsironweights

    A little Japanese at the sushi joint, a little Italian at the Trattoria a little French at the bistro, and American girls turn to jello.

    Although the workers at the sushi joint won’t know what you’re saying, as they’re almost certain to be Chinese rather than Japanese.

    Peter

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  34. “Real estate is good, too, because it puts you in contact with lots of gina tingly housewives…”

    OK, there seems to be a little discrepancy about this.Is it,or is it not,alpha to sleep with married women?

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  35. @ Drogba
    “get the fuck out of my car” is not something anyone would say. i doubt you would so i take it you’re joking .

    i won’t have sex in a car because its uncomfortable .
    i’ve had sex in a public place once . (with a guy i was in a serious relationship) .
    It was uncomfortable and i hated it .
    don’t know why but that whole “we might get caught ” thing never turned me on .

    i won’t have sex in a car with a guy who isn’t even my bf and least of all if he’s thinking she better “do what shes fucking told”.

    you can’t be serious. I think a lot of girls would be open to the possibility and i don’t frown on it. I just wouldn’t do it , but i think you’re comment about the correct answer being “get the fuck out of my car” is over the top .

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  36. For the dyke:

    I agree with Roissy that a straight woman who might experiment is going to want to experiment with a good looking woman and not a charicature of a bulldyke in jeans and a plaid shirt.

    I would only add. If you are on the butch side you don’t need to femme or lipstick it up (that would be a mistake as they would likely make you uncomfortable and you need to be comfortable for this to work).

    But you _do_ need to look like you take care of your appearance and are trying to look attractive to other women (straight women dress for each other, they know that men don’t care as long as they’re reasonably well-groomed and dressed appropriately for the occasion). The other women in the bar will size you up long before they realize you’re hitting on them so it’s necessary to make a good impression then.

    If you don’t normally wear dresses then don’t start now. Go through womens magazines looking for the most masculine clothes they show and mimic that (and have your hair styled and wear some makeup but not too much and tone down the rings and bracelets and piercings if you’re into that).

    If you’re not slim then start working out and get in shape, you can be a little muscular but flabby won’t cut it with picky straight girls.

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  37. This was before I knew of Game but I also did a natural neg: as I was starting to escalate kino with her, I looked at the most beta guy in her LJBF crew and asked him very diplomatically, as though I realized was forgetting my manners: “oh, pardon me, she is your girlfriend, right?”

    To which she immediately said “no, no, he’s just a friend.”

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  38. on September 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm ironrailsironweights

    The car cocktease is pretty evil. I think kicking her naked ass out is the right thing morally in that situation, but a silent ride home is probaly the gentlemanly thing do to.

    Kicking her naked a** out of the car –> false rape accusation.

    Peter

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  39. @peter- actually, they’re almost always Korean at sushi places in the U.S.

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  40. a silent ride home is probaly the gentlemanly thing do to.

    You’re going to act like a “gentleman” towards some skank you were about to bang in the back of a car?

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  41. maurice

    @FP- lol. HWJS – How Would Jesus Sarge? “Hey doll- want some wine? Just watch this…” 🙂

    Hmm. You’d have to look under the toga. You’d guess god would give himself a big rig – “chosen people” and all.

    for verification, you’ll have to ask kassyk. would be a great opener 😉

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  42. Eric, what would you use as a step 2 beyond those platonic, low-intensity daygame openers?

    It depends. Normally a little bit of banter or role-playing to get out of the platonic zone. But if she’s already into you, you can do a cold read pretty soon.

    It’s not like bar game where you need to fuck with her as much. There are less distractions (like alcohol, loud music, her friends, etc). In fact, unlike a bar, too much banter and playing around and she’ll walk away quick.

    With daygame, once you have her attention, you’ll want to go into qualification and rapport pretty fast.

    Eric

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  43. Nadia

    “i won’t have sex in a car because its uncomfortable .
    i’ve had sex in a public place once . (with a guy i was in a serious relationship) .
    It was uncomfortable and i hated it .
    don’t know why but that whole “we might get caught ” thing never turned me on .

    i won’t have sex in a car with a guy who isn’t even my bf and least of all if he’s thinking she better “do what shes fucking told”.

    you can’t be serious. I think a lot of girls would be open to the possibility and i don’t frown on it. I just wouldn’t do it , but i think you’re comment about the correct answer being “get the fuck out of my car” is over the top .”

    Of course i would say it ahaha and so would loads of guys, its really not that hard just a few words. But heres the crux of it, a guy who is alpha enough to tell her to get the fuck out most likely didn’t get teased in the first place, she took the cock in the back of the car, and loved it. So its a totally hypothetical situation.

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  44. @peter, tarl- maybe, good points. So replace “gentlemanly” with “prudent”.

    @FP- yeah, the comic potential is endless. It’s always hilarious whenever they have Jesus show up on South Park. And you know how much I dig Kassy, but I suppose she’d probably be as impressed with, uh, “miracles” of that kind as any other girl. But she can speak for herself on that subject if she likes … or not.

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  45. Sofia:

    “Re: the lesbian.

    When she’s having that intense, two hour conversation on the sofa with the straight girl, she needs to frame lesbianism, or being bi-curious in a way that is all too common and acceptable, so that the other woman feels comfortable being blaise about the situation.”

    Sofia has game.

    Getting a job in real estate is probably not the best move right now, although all those divorcing women looking for a new house is probably easy . . . if you like Cougars.

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  46. ironrailsironweights

    “A little Japanese at the sushi joint, a little Italian at the Trattoria a little French at the bistro, and American girls turn to jello.

    Although the workers at the sushi joint won’t know what you’re saying, as they’re almost certain to be Chinese rather than Japanese.”

    I am not talking about going to the “all you can eat” sushi spot for $19.99.

    I am talking about going to the best spot in the city for authentic Edo-mae (old Tokyo style) Sushi.

    All Japanese patrons and staff.

    – MPM

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  47. The girl in the vehicle is a teenager and maybe even underage if her recent deflowering is true. No way would a woman who waits to have sex is going to rush into it with another dude so fast. Dumping her out of your car when she refuses increases your jail risk people.

    If she’s not an underage teenager she’s lying about her recent loss of virginity. She’s saying it to make her look special in your eyes (she’s dumb as brick too) and she wants you to convince her doing it in the car is a right of passage for ALL good girls. Just sayin…

    On the lesbian thing. I consider myself straight yet on two separate occasions I’ve been attracted to women. Both women were very butch but attractive. Stylish short hair, kept up with a salon not home care. Very deliberate in their choice of words, smart, manly in demeanour yet still obviously female. Both incidents the women had no idea I was attracted to them. I’ve often wondered what would have happened if they picked up on my interest…

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  48. Aoefe

    “The girl in the vehicle is a teenager and maybe even underage if her recent deflowering is true. No way would a woman who waits to have sex is going to rush into it with another dude so fast. Dumping her out of your car when she refuses increases your jail risk people.

    If she’s not an underage teenager she’s lying about her recent loss of virginity. She’s saying it to make her look special in your eyes (she’s dumb as brick too) and she wants you to convince her doing it in the car is a right of passage for ALL good girls. Just sayin…”

    well lets put it this way, if shes not getting fucked, what the hell else is a naked bitch doing in the back of my car? I ain’t a taxi driver, and even if i was i’d tell her to fuck me or put some clothes on and give me my cash, and get the fuck out.

    let her suck/wank me off, THEN tell her to get the fuck out. Long for going home still horny.

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  49. maurice

    @FP- yeah, the comic potential is endless. It’s always hilarious whenever they have Jesus show up on South Park. And you know how much I dig Kassy, but I suppose she’d probably be as impressed with, uh, “miracles” of that kind as any other girl. But she can speak for herself on that subject if she likes … or not.

    Your “water into wine” reference is perfect. He’s like the ultimate PUA-peacock magician. Imagine impressing her by miraculously healing all her STDs. Floppy Dr. Seuss hat and goggles – replaced with thorns.

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  50. i am a girl and i wanted to ask your advice about a situation i am in. i was searching for some advice online and i came across this site and read some of it, and i think i recognize a lot of the behaviors in a guy i am dating.
    before i tell you the story, i just want to say that i am 24, very pretty (i get approached by guys everywhere i go and i get asked out on dates all the time), and i am usually extremely careful with guys. i never do more than kiss them and i have never had a boyfriend before.
    anyway, here is the question.
    i met this guy out one night and he asked for my number. we went out one time (it wasnt a real date, we went out with all our friends to some bar). after we went back to my apartment (something i have never done before) and we made out but that was all. he asked me to be his girlfriend at that point, and i was shocked, but i liked him so i said ok. he is very aloof in general and very confident, and also handsome. i think he can get a lot of girls if he wants, but he told me while he is with me he is not going to go after other girls.
    anyway, since that point, i have seen him four or five times, and out of those times, we only went out once, and it was to a bar with his friend. the other times he has called me (always late at night when he gets off work) and i come straight to his apartment. let me be clear that i have never done anything like this before. he also was acting very jealous, saying i am cheating on him with other guys (which is ridiculous if you knew how conservative i am) and also saying that i dont text him enough.
    anyway, he pressured me into having sex with him the second to last time, even though i didn’t want to but some part of me was worried that i would never hear from him again if i didnt. then he called me again the other night (in the middle of the night again) and asked me to come over, so i did. we had sex again even though i really didnt want to and even asked him to stop at one point. i have known this guy for approximately a month, when there are guys who i have dated or known for much longer and never did more than kiss, even though i was very attracted to them.
    anyway last night i felt like maybe he was a little tired of me, although i might have imagined it, and even if hes not tired of me yet, im sure its going to come soon since he has had his conquest. oh and if it makes a difference, he is not american (neither am i actually). he is european.
    please dont just say i am some skanky trash, because i absolutely am not, and have always behaved with self respect and treated others with respect up until this guy. i am very terrified that he is going to lose interest in me soon, and move on, and i just wanted to get your opinion on the situation and what to do with a guy who acts like the people you describe on your website. i feel like i was somehow manipulated into this situation and its really ruining my life, because i have always been a kind and trusting person, and i dont know what to do.

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  51. I tried the fake accent thing at a club on a trip back to England last year – as I’m fluent in Swedish I pretended to be a Swedish tourist and was getting on great with a couple of girls but their friend kept point out that it was strange for a Swede to have a cockney accent. It’s really hard to keep that dull monotone going…

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  52. “It’s World of Warcraft minus an avatar.” rofl.

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  53. Ellie,

    It sounds to me like you are a very kind and respectable young lady who has been mistreated by a guy who doesn’t appreciate someone as nice and sweet as you.

    Why don’t you e-mail me your number ([email protected]) and I’ll call you and give you some advice on what you should do next?

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  54. “please dont just say i am some skanky trash, because i absolutely am not, and have always behaved with self respect and treated others with respect up until this guy.”

    You’re not skanky trash, you’re a normal woman. You’ve also been played by a guy who knew how to manipulate you.

    “i am very terrified that he is going to lose interest in me soon, and move on, and i just wanted to get your opinion on the situation”

    Yes, he’ll lose interest in you very soon if he hasn’t already. He might lie about it but at present you’re his late night booty call and nothing more, don’t kid yourself.

    “what to do with a guy who acts like the people you describe on your website”

    Avoid them, you cannot win and you will _never_ get what you want from them, they will not love you and they will lose interest as soon as the novelty wears off. They could not be more clear about this and they say it openly and clearly and repeatedly. Believe them.

    “i feel like i was somehow manipulated into this situation”

    Partly, but you wanted to be manipulated.

    “and its really ruining my life”

    Don’t be a drama queen. You’ve been taken advantage of by a charming creep. Learn from it and don’t let it happen again.

    “because i have always been a kind and trusting person,”

    No you are not. You are not especially kind or trusting or honest or sincere or whatever other silly flowerly girlcode adjectives you want others to call you. You’re a normal human woman with normal desires. Deal with it. If you want a good and happy life (not necessarily the same thing as an exciting life or a famous life) then stay away from charming guys who can con you and learn that your deepest attractions and strongest emotional drives are your enemy.

    Limit yourself to reliable, okay looking guys who can and will hold down a job and pay their bills and aren’t necessarily great dancers or make you feel all hot and bothered down there. In the long run you’ll be glad you did. If you continue on your current course you’re headed straight for skanky slutdom as you try to replicate the feelings that a doomed, hopeless relationship can stir in you.

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  55. Good response, Cliff.

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  56. ellie-

    Cliff pretty much put it perfectly.

    Also-

    “he pressured me into having sex with him the second to last time, even though i didn’t want to”

    “we had sex again even though i really didnt want to”

    There is a lot wrong with these statements, and if they are actually true….don’t be so fucking stupid again. The only thing i ever do that i don’t really want to is wake up and go to Uni(occasionally) and work. This is why women are so fucked up.

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  57. ellie, if you’ll tolerate advice from a stranger, here’s some: I think you’re too emotionally vulnerable by nature, and perhaps too naive, to have sex with someone whom a) you don’t know, and b) you don’t really care about, beyond the fear that he’s going to injure your sexual/social vanity* by rejecting you. The reason I think this is that it’s not all that common for women to wait to have sex these days until age 24, unfortunately, so I doubt you would have done so unless sex were a very important and emotionally significant act to you.

    This man isn’t really interested in you beyond your sexual favours. He saw that you needed reassurance of a “relationship” to get you to go to bed with him, so he said he wanted to be your boyfriend. Now he’s giving you “booty calls”.

    Cut your losses and DON’T accept his calls any more, even if he starts leaving begging messages. That’s just a form of manipulation, plus he doesn’t want to lose a pretty girl who asks nothing of him and lets him have sex with her. Don’t worry that any of this makes you a “skank”. One foolish mistake doesn’t make a skank…just don’t do it again.

    From now on, get to know your beaus first (like over a few months of dating, not a few casual dates or “hanging out” in the same group) before you let anything physical happen. Be upfront about your intentions with the man, early, like in the first 3 dates. If you’re religious, or just want to be really prudent, wait until you fall in love and then hold out for marriage before you have sex.

    You could also try to toughen up, as many women and some men might advise you, but then you’ll become a different person, and perhaps, as Roissy himself would admit, less marriageable. Not because no one will marry you, but because you’ll be too tough to know how to love.

    *When I say “vanity” I don’t mean it as a moral criticism. Sexual vanity is everyone’s weakest point. That’s why so many people go bonkers over rejection, even from someone they haven’t known very long.

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  58. ellie,

    “i am very terrified that he is going to lose interest in me soon, and move on, and i just wanted to get your opinion on the situation and what to do with a guy who acts like the people you describe on your website.”

    The only way to get him interested again is to ignore all his calls.

    People always want what they can’t have, many times, even if they have had it before.

    Human nature.

    – MPM

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  59. @drogba

    thats pretty harsh .. but yea if hes “alpha” he wouldve fucked her

    this is why i love and date betas 😉

    so these type of things don’t happen

    @aoefe
    “She’s saying it to make her look special in your eyes ”

    thats exactly right.

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  60. on September 2, 2009 at 4:25 pm more for ellie

    @ellie, You *will* make more mistakes in your life. Accept it and forgive yourself.

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  61. Nadia

    “@drogba

    thats pretty harsh .. but yea if hes “alpha” he wouldve fucked her

    this is why i love and date betas 😉

    so these type of things don’t happen”

    You mean you love to date betas so you can mess them around? lol probably true

    I don’t know if you misunderstood me, but simply put if he was alpha enough, she

    A: wouldn’t tell him to stop, she’d take the dick and love it.

    B: wouldn’t get naked and let him put the condom before telling him theres no chance of sex, i.e made her principals known from the start.

    And she wouldn’t do either of those coz she’d know what to expect. Bye bye.

    in other words, she knows her lame shit won’t fly with an alpha guy.

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  62. know i understood and i agree ..
    he wouldve had sex with her. i think the guy dropped the ball on this .

    shes naked he has a condom its pretty ridiculous that he didnt fuck her .

    betas are more simple to deal with .

    i tried my hand with what i would consider an alpha. and really all he did was treat me like shit . and yes i would go back blah blah so yea that game does work . but i’d rather not go through with those type of guys anymore

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  63. Limit yourself to reliable, okay looking guys who can and will hold down a job and pay their bills and aren’t necessarily great dancers or make you feel all hot and bothered down there. In the long run you’ll be glad you did.

    Talk about futile advice. If women had the power to resist the tingle and limit themselves to betas, would society be where it is now? This website wouldn’t even exist if women did this on a large scale!

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  64. One thing I have been wondering about lesbians. With female hypergamy, how do lesbians ever manage to hook up? Are lesbians different, or are women not so hypergamous after all?

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  65. aoefe–

    The girl in the vehicle is a teenager and maybe even underage if her recent deflowering is true. No way would a woman who waits to have sex is going to rush into it with another dude so fast. Dumping her out of your car when she refuses increases your jail risk people.

    I too was struck by the incongruity of her having waited until 18 to have intercourse for the first time and then coming close to a repeat before backing out at the literal last moment two days later.

    It’s not impossible though if e.g. she’s just moved out of her parents house either to college or work related.

    btw Even though 18 is the age of consent in California and hence in much of the entertainment media, and even though it’s in a sense the federal age, in that porno or suggestive pictures of girls under that age on the net or sent into interstate commerce is mondo, i.e. kiddie porn, illegal, most of the states have ages of consent of either 17 or 16. Only about 1/3 are now at 18, due to feminist pressures. NY is 17, as is Florida. (16 is also the highest age of consent in Europe, with it frequently being 15 or 14.)

    Kicking her out of the car naked is not a smart move legally in this day and age, I agree. It’s also actually not that alpha cool. Too much upset, like you only get a chance to score once in a blue moon or something and so are mondo pissed. No. Silently getting dressed and driving her home as Roissy said is a way better alpha smooth move, even aside from legalities.

    In response to her eventual worried “what’s wrong”, instead of “I’ve got to get up early tomorrow morning” I might say “I don’t have time for little little girl very last second prick teasing backaway”.

    Naaah. Maybe not. Maybe Roissy’s is better if the object is to get her to pursue so as to keep that option open. Makes her fill in what might be in your mind about her which she knows isn’t good – but might be salvageable, she’ll think.

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  66. Tarl–

    Talk about futile advice. If women had the power to resist the tingle and limit themselves to betas, would society be where it is now? This website wouldn’t even exist if women did this on a large scale!

    Women do have that power and in most societies still do that, or anyway restrict themselves to high status rather than just violent asshole alphas, who’ve shown commitment, according to cultural rules. Yes it takes force of will and cultural beliefs.

    It’s the dissolution of those beliefs and the substitution of a lot of feminist one’s about there being nothing wrong with going slut just like the guys (meaning the alphas) if that’s how the spirit moves you, that leaves women “unable” to resist the gina tingle. (Actually that’s still an exaggeration, only approximated in the most hindbrain driven, or slut ideology believing high T girls.)

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  67. Maurice,

    Russian AND German? Wow.

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  68. Hey. The girl was indeed 18 and I’m 20. And 18 is the age of consent in my country (portugal). She was from England and was leaving that day at 7am, that happened at 4am. I dressed up and left her at the taxi stop.

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  69. Arpagus:

    “With female hypergamy, how do lesbians ever manage to hook up? Are lesbians different, or are women not so hypergamous after all?”

    women usually experience their first lesbian encounter during adolescence. they often turn back to it in moments of weakness or drunkenness when they get older. they usually start by laying down in a bed together after a night out or something, start play fighting or tickling each other, then one of them grazes a vagina lip or inserts an index finger. its all downhill from there.

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  70. Arpagus–

    In our current feminist PC culture there’s a view among many or even most of those that accept female bi sex at all, which is the large majority of the college educated large urban are 20 something population, that female female episodes almost don’t count in a girl’s slut count.

    This is partly related to no chance of pregnancy. Strictly oral is often looked at in the same circles as not really counting either, or counting much less.

    So it’s both an exploratory thing and a time out or holding pattern thing for hot girls that are between relationships that do count. I.e until and alpha enough guy looks to want more than a pump and dump.

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  71. Doug1

    “Kicking her out of the car naked is not a smart move legally in this day and age, I agree. It’s also actually not that alpha cool. Too much upset, like you only get a chance to score once in a blue moon or something and so are mondo pissed. No. Silently getting dressed and driving her home as Roissy said is a way better alpha smooth move, even aside from legalities.”

    Not really, you kick her out coz you dont give a fuck what her or anyone else thinks, its a waste of your time and actually i’d actually take it as a sly insult. she can think what she wants as shes walking herself home….next girl please.

    “what the fuck is wrong with you? get the fuck out of my car” the above quote will suffice.

    Are we talking about acting Alpha or being Alpha? coz the real alpha doesn’t give a fuck and kicks her out. The Alpha actor is worried about what she thinks and hoping to somehow secure a future lay with his actions….

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  72. also Doug1….there is no smooth alpha way to deal with it, smooth alphas dont get told to stop when they’re naked with a condom on about to penetrate, WHEREVER they are.

    again. “get the fuck out of my car” will suffice.

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  73. Since this is ADVICE day.

    Out of curiosity, how is the most polite way to tell a man you can’t have sex because you’re on your period? Especially if you’ve only been dating a short while. Presumably you don’t say, “I can’t because I’m on my period.” So then?

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  74. V —

    Yeah, vacation sluttery also has it’s own “rules” in many girls minds. I makes much more sense when you add that information.

    That she’d change her mind also makes sense to me in this situation.

    Knowing her departure time, I might have responded to her last second change of mind with something like. “ok my girl. Your call entirely. But you know you will regret it.” Then stroked her some on her arm and neck and cheek, and kissed her gently on her neck to begin. That is if she was warming at all. She might have just needed some gentling and feeling some more connection to feel somewhat less slutty about it.

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  75. ellie angsted:

    i am a girl and i have this problem and need your advice about my love life

    no fair – now lilgirl gets two identitties. and gets free advice for a Cosmo column to boot. no fair

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  76. “One thing I have been wondering about lesbians. With female hypergamy, how do lesbians ever manage to hook up? Are lesbians different, or are women not so hypergamous after all?”

    People like to think in absolutes. They’re wrong.

    Women have a tendency toward hypergamy. All this means is that all things being equal a woman will choose a higher status partner over a lower status partner (irregardless of some other factors like inherent worth or suitability for being a partner).

    But often enough, all things aren’t equal and other considerations come into play. For lesbians, the desire for female companionship overrides hypergamy (though certainly some lesbians engage in hypergamy).

    What’s also interesting is how different lesbians and gay men are. While lesbians often replicate male-female socio-sexual roles (with butches as male and femmes as females) gay men really aren’t so much into that (mostly partners of transgendered or transvestites self identifiy as straight) but there’s also transparently more hypergamy among gay men. Partly this occurs in older man and younger man pairings but even when the ages are more similar it seems that often one partner significantly out earns the other. Higher and lower earning gay men seem to seek each other out.

    While I’m here. While ‘bisexual’ women (and a non-trivial number of lesbians) usually end up in heterosexual relationships, most ‘bisexual’ men end up in same sex relationships.
    This suggests a different kind of sexual taxonomy. Instead of straight and gay the independent variable is ‘has sex with men’ or ‘doesn’t have sex with men’ as both men and women who engage in sexual relationships with men usually end up preferring that to sex with women. Not sure what it means, but it seems to be the more common pattern.

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  77. Sophia

    Presumably you don’t say, “I can’t because I’m on my period.” So then?

    Actually you should just say that. Just that is actually ok. Or maybe better if it fits with your personality as it does, using a euphemism, hinting at it, to feel more innocent, and less crude.

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  78. Drogba sez

    there is no smooth alpha way to deal with it, smooth alphas dont get told to stop when they’re naked with a condom on about to penetrate, WHEREVER they are.

    again. “get the fuck out of my car” will suffice.

    People who have had actual experience with sex know this type of “game” isn’t productive. I would love to hear a story of you using this in real life and how it “worked.” I doubt you have one.

    When a woman puts up resistance to your sexual escalation, whether she refuses to hold your hand, make out with you, let you feel her tits, or let you fuck her, the appropriate response is to be 100% cool with it. Be completely indifferent. And try again sometime soon.

    There is no other response. Any other response makes you look like a douchebag and does not increase your chances of getting further with this woman.

    This does not mean you let her tool you or continue to date her if you aren’t getting what you want from her. By all means, if she’s being a cunt, kick her out of the car.

    But she wasn’t being a cunt. She was doing what women do by nature.

    The best response is to be totally cool with it and just wait it out. Build some more comfort and try again. Yes, you could “freeze her out” if you want too. But that’s not the same as being a douchebag to her, that’s about pulling back and giving her nothing else.

    Eric

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  79. Doug,

    “I can’t because I’m going through that thing all women go throught.” Does that sound too dramatic? Too girly? Too gross?

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  80. “Presumably you don’t say, “I can’t because I’m on my period.””

    Why not?

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  81. “bad/wrong time of the month” said apologetically should be good.

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  82. “I’m on my period” is too graphic, which is why I recommend “… month.”

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  83. DaveinHackensack,

    Because it’s embarrassing & men cringe at that sort of stuff.

    Wrong time of the month sounds like the perfect blend between euphemism and truth.

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  84. erm Eric my friend, is this girl not a fucked up ho-bag who admitted to sleeping with another guy just 2 nights before?

    As i see it this woman isn’t even performing her role as a slut correctly….

    NO TIME FOR THAT. If im in the back of my car naked with a condom on with an admitted slut….iv’e got to admit im hoping for a lay, not a same night-lay…..a same minute lay.

    Like i said, its a fucked up situation for her to refuse sex, especially seeing as i know shes a slut and ive fucked far less slutty girls in more risque situations. My cost/reward analysis has this girl walking home on her hom…..sorry if you can’t get your head around it. Like i said i could respect a girl that makes her reservations clear and has some principles.

    My idea of an alpha is not someone incapable of love and respect, far from it they can treat a beautiful, chaste quality women with great care. Alas my friend this is definately not the situation.

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  85. Sofia, “I’m on the rag, do you have a problem with that?” implying that you don’t have a problem with it will whither most mens’ erections.

    According to my unscientific, informal surveys, a majority of women don’t mind sex during their period while an absolute majority of men find having vaginal intercourse with a woman during her period to be a pretty disgusting idea. And a lot of men freak at the the idea that women don’t mind. ymmv

    If you really want be more subtle:

    “It’s ….. you know …… _that_ time…..”

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  86. Sofia: what’s wrong with “it’s that time of the month”?

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  87. Doug1,
    here it’s pretty straightforward that foreign girls come over to make out with dudes, be they portuguese or not.
    Having sex is something else, which is why i tried to build a connection with her before (i had been with her like 3 or 4 times).
    Still got laid and got in an orgy in the beach this summer so not all is bad.

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  88. Cliff Arroyo:

    though certainly some lesbians engage in hypergamy

    They can’t both be hypergamous in any given couple, obviously. That would make one of them unhappy if hypergamy is a really strong tendency in women and we would not expect such relationships to last long. I don’t know how common this is, but if these relationships are stable, that would be evidence against hypergamy.

    While ‘bisexual’ women (and a non-trivial number of lesbians) usually end up in heterosexual relationships, most ‘bisexual’ men end up in same sex relationships.

    I think this is because bisexuality in men is mostly a myth. Bisexual women usually ending up with men could be explained by hypergamy.

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  89. sofia–

    One thing I’ve had said to me is “I’m afraid I’m in that recurring time of, umm, female indisposition

    The last said in a put on somewhat arch sort of way.

    Really I don’t think it matters too much. Any hinting around is ok. What you suggested is alright except he might possibly not get it. The idea of recurring or monthly or cyclical or something has to be in there to be immediately obvious. Or a reference to flow or blood world work too but compared to that “period” is a euphemism. 😉

    You know what. What you said.

    I can’t because I’m going through that thing all women go through.

    Then if he doesn’t get it immediately. Or a moment later anyway to be sure, you could add “I mean monthly”.

    There’s something about making him have to puzzle it out slightly that makes it a euphemism. Go figure.

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  90. Cliff,

    Theoretically, I wouldn’t mind having sex on my period, but I also act under the assumption that most men DO. Which sucks. Men are so sensitive sometimes…

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  91. JB,

    Most men get freaked out at the mere inkling of a woman having to bleed once a month.

    Doug,

    That’s a good point. I was worried that what I initially said about “going through what all women go through” wouldn’t register, but perhaps if I imply something cyclical it will all work out.

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  92. Eric- I will agree with you on one thing, throwing her out the car isn’t the right thing if your hoping to ingratiate yourself to the girl and suck you way up to getting to hit that pussy at a later date….

    I guess the guy who had this problem and I are on different pages, he clearly has a lot more trouble with women such that this situation would be greatly more important to him.
    Living on a University campus, i literally know the next pussy is round the corner…

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  93. sofia:
    I wouldn’t mind having sex on my period, but I also act under the assumption that most men DO.

    it’s never stopped me. speaking of which, this reminds me of a very funny Zeets story. for a future post…

    btw, i suggest telling him “i’m being attacked by the red army.”

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  94. Roissy,

    Has anything really ever stopped you? With the exception of evident STIs…

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  95. “That would make one of them unhappy if hypergamy is a really strong tendency in women and we would not expect such relationships to last long. I don’t know how common this is, but if these relationships are stable, that would be evidence against hypergamy.”

    There’s lots of evidence against hypergamy as anything but a general tendency that can easily be overriden by other factors. Remember, when most people in this forum use the term ‘women’ they’re referring to a subset of youngish, uneducated (in practical terms) women with little in the way of sexual restraint or personal autonomy. That’s a small subset of the actual population.

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  96. A woman being on her period never deterred me, either. I did it with all my girlfriends. But all of them needed some convincing that it it was really not a problem.

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  97. Sophia–

    Theoretically, I wouldn’t mind having sex on my period, but I also act under the assumption that most men DO. Which sucks.

    Not me babe. Just needs a towel. That’s all.

    Roissy’s red army joke is hilarious btw. Use it w/the right kind of guy. I’d love that for example.

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  98. No real man let’s period blood stop him from banging out the poon.

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  99. when a chick says “i’m on my period,” my brain processes it as “joe, you won’t have to pull out now if you hit it.”

    works for me.

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  100. Eric disco- I think you dont really understand just how promiscuous and horny a lot of women are. Iv’e scored 2 “No game” lays recently….girls dragging me out of clubs without actually saying one single word for sex….it really is that easy sometimes so forgive me if im not too understanding in this situation.

    “build more comfort”…. both being naked is usually enough comfort to me…

    like i said….you are either Alpha and react to peoples illogical stupid actions with disdain they deserve….or you are ACTING alpha, ignoring your own feelings of anger and impatience to ingratiate yourself, literally hoping for the best(a future lay).

    Fake it till you make it my friend. The aim of all men should be to gradually aquire the game acumen to the extent that they can behave like a real alpha, because they literally will have THAT many options.

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  101. Pussy has a different texture when a womans on her redz.

    Sofia-

    If you don’t mind sex on your period I’d advise you to just tell the guy you’re on your period, and let him decide. If you do mind then just tell him its a no go. It’s really that simple.

    gernerally it’s never stopped me, but it’s always more comfortable with someone you are in a relationship with or have had sex with before.

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  102. Joe,

    when a chick says “i’m on my period,” my brain processes it as “joe, you won’t have to pull out now if you hit it.”

    That would imply you’re raw dogging it on her period. Brave man.

    Drogba,

    Are you aware of the different texture with a condom on?

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  103. Sofia, shame him into it. “I’m on my period but if you’re too much of a HOMO to handle that I totally understand. No worries.”

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  104. Sofia: “Has anything really ever stopped you? With the exception of evident STIs…”

    Yes, bio-chemicals have.
    (http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/shit-stains-after-sex/)

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  105. Ahahahhaah Pupu. That was the nastiest thing I’ve ever read.

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  106. Sofia-

    Yes and no. Its less notable but still noticable.

    The problem is im not really sure what causes the difference in texture, whether it’s the blood, change in the amount of natural lubricant or some physiological changes that happen during menstruation. Either way it still feels good to me. You should try it though, most resistance i have encountered to sex on the period has been because the girl thinks it will gross me out rather than because they dont enjoy it or it grosses them out.

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  107. Sofia,

    Alternately you could hum a few bars of this:

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  108. That would imply you’re raw dogging it on her period. Brave man.

    if she looks clean and doesn’t vacation a lot, it’s all good.

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  109. Roissy, do you speak any Russian? If so, how did you go about learning it?

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  110. “She was from England and was leaving that day at 7am, that happened at 4am”

    Roissy rule of slutdom – she travels. We have our answer ladies and gentleman.

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  111. @S – “I can’t because I’m on my period.” So then?

    Use a natural sea sponge and you won’t have to use the excuse…I’ll give you details contact me.

    (I posted this on another thread accidentally – shoooot me now).

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  112. She was from England

    Apparently that wasn’t enough of a clue.

    I’m really surprised she made it to 18. Age of consent is 16. A significant amount of girls seemed to lose virginity before then or just at that time. A regular virginal angel, she.

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  113. Sea sponges… I’m INTRIGUED. Is it like, an ultra absorbent tampon? Hahaha.

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  114. Bhetti: “Age of consent (in the UK) is 16”

    And they start doing it right then. The average of first sex is 16 in the UK and the US, 17 in Canada, 15 in Germany, 19 in India, etc.

    Take a look at the bubble chart. It’s fun.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/users/login.php?story_id=3933&URL=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3933

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  115. Nah, I doubt roissy works for the State Dept.

    I think everybody has a little “David Alexander” in them, so I’d suspect that in real life, Roissy isn’t a tool of Foggy Bottom, but given his political and social views, he’s an operative for a right wing think tank or given his social acumen, in the employ of a lobbyist.

    Not because no one will marry you, but because you’ll be too tough to know how to love.

    If she can’t find an alpha for a long-term relationship, she will be incapable of any love, so it doesn’t make much different from my viewpoint.

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  116. Pupu: So much data in such a teeny space. My brain explodes just before noting this: Thailand = U.S. sexually?

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  117. Bhetti: “Thailand = U.S. sexually?”

    Looks like it, except that the average age of first sex in Thailand is 18, 2 years older than that in the US.

    The punch line: wear condom when sleeping with those from the big-bubble (high rate of STIs) countries (the Nordics, the Chinese, the Italians, etc.)

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  118. The Tackling Violent Crime Act raised the legal age of sexual consent in Canada to 16 from 14 last year, the first time it has been raised since 1892.

    But the law includes a “close-in-age exception,” meaning 14- and 15-year-olds can have sex with someone who is less than five years older.

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  119. Sohpia yes you are correct, but sea sponges are very flexible and non obstructive. Have you ever squished a sponge? They can get really tiny. Just sayin…

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  120. (Males, do not read this post, please.)

    Sofia, sea sponge is a natural tampon. Because of the squish factor, I wouldn’t recommend wearing one outside of home or during sex if you have well developed pelvic floor muscles. Your vagina isn’t static, and moves like any other muscle, when you move.

    Those cosmetic cotton disks work much better. Try to find the sterile ones for hospital use.

    They came in really handy when tampons cost $10-$15 per box here for awhile. There was an insane pricing spree here when the dollar went down, and some things I just wouldn’t buy out of principle.

    I probably wasn’t the only one, because after a couple of months, the price went down by almost half.

    (I warned you.)

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  121. my eyes are vomiting now

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  122. Cotton would not be as absorbant. Oh gawd this is becoming a women’s column…sorry. But I will say this those sponges are so far up, they ain’t going anywhere. Nuff said.

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  123. Well, Dana, I said males shouldn’t read the post.

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  124. @aoefe, dana, sofia

    It is true you really can learn something every day.

    I am a curious type but the “my brain is like a sponge” expression will never sound the same.

    What a bloody mess this thread is becoming…
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    .
    Unless someone grabs a sponge…
    .
    .
    .
    Just letting my thoughts flow…
    .
    .
    .
    I’ll stop now…
    .
    .
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    Staunch the flow as it were…

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  125. Thanks for the tip, girls!

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  126. Nice stream of consciousness, Default

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  127. @PA
    Gotta go with the flow!

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  128. Gotta run my Auntie Dot is visiting.

    Get it? Dot = period? Never mind.

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  129. I thought it was “Aunt Flo”?

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  130. We should conduct a survey of how many go for it during a girl’s period, and how many men don’t.

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  131. I’ve raw dogged a bleeding chick, but it was an LTR. I don’t think I’d do outside of that situation. But in that situation I don’t see what the big deal is. I’ve also had unprotected anal sex. People seem way less concerned with fucking raw shit than raw blood.

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  132. I just had a disgusting image of raw-dogging a girl on her period, then fucking her in the ass without a condom… Oh, the bloody horror!

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  133. I think you just found me a new fetish.

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  134. I’ve raw dogged a bleeding chick, but it was an LTR.

    Ah yes, a fun way to catch the AIDS…

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  135. Meh. Life wouldn’t be worth living anyway if you couldn’t raw dog the occasional bleeding chick.

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  136. I know I started this thread and everything, but the blood being clogged inside of me, paired simultaneously with the image of period sex coupled with raw anal is making me gag.

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  137. Meh. We have different standards. Your life is incomplete without condomless sex with a bleeding vagina, and my life is incomplete without a ride on the TGV and a drive on the Autobahn.

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  138. @ Default, PA, Aaron. Laugh out loud hilarious. *refrains from adding to the punning fun*

    I found two videos that’re funny but also graphic and disturbing.

    To link or not to link.

    No, I’ll be merciful.

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  139. *hugs Sofia* There, there. Stop thinking about it, dear. Go have a cup of tea.

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  140. This shit’s just disgusting. I only agreed to play during Red Day once, and it was because I was A) absolutely shit-faced, and B) hadn’t gotten laid in two months. At that point I would’ve fucked her if she said she had lepresy and her pussy fell off.

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  141. Sofia,

    Do you think we care about your feelings.. really?

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  142. Do you think we care about your feelings… bitch?

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  143. We don’t care. Must be why nobody hits the damn bitch even when she deserves or wants it.

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  144. Sofia,

    Just a thought, when you say most men find a girl on her period undesirable/disgusting/whatever…

    That reeks of inexperience on their part. Little boys going, “Oooh, cooties, girls have cooties!” It shows a lack of exposure to women in so many ways.

    However if you, like me, just don’t like having sex on your period and dealing with the potential mess (though that’s what sex in showers is for), a polite decline on their offer should be all that is necessary. You don’t have to explain yourself unless you feel the need.

    “Not in the mood.”
    “It’s just not a good time for me this week.”

    My preferred is, “It’s that time of the month and I don’t really like having sex on the rag, but I’m happy to go down on you.”

    As for Ellie, I find that a sad example of lack of experience of a girl in her mid-twenties. Being pressured by social standards to “not put out” and her own idea of being considered “skanky trash” by having sex with a supposed player, she’s handicapped herself on a spectacular level. She has no idea of how to own her sexuality, own herself, and how to say no. This wouldn’t be bad in an 18-20 year old, but when you’re a female hitting your mid-twenties, you’re usually going to be going out with with men in their late 20s to early 30s. The experience gap is going to be insane, playing with bigger dogs when you’re just a puppy. Eesh.

    Regarding the girl in the car, typical response to a lack of information.

    We have no idea of the circumstances of her supposed loss of virginity. It could have been by a skilled PUA, it could have been date-rape, it could have been drunken boning, or peer-pressure induced.

    It’s highly unlikely that a girl would happily lose her viriginity and go out frolicking with another man two days later, unless something bad had happened and she was trying to reclaim something of herself.

    By telling her to get the fuck out of the car, you’re potentially setting her up for damage. Not necessarily her own, but that of other men that she comes in contact with. If you succeed in boning her with that sentiment, congratulations, you’ve used your charms and skills to the best of your ability. Pressuring someone into having sex? Is that all you’re good for? All this game falls apart due to an 18 year old stiffing you? If you fail, if she gets out of the car, that’s a whole other monster.

    I do love that she’s now considered a skanky whore by some because she’s (supposedly) had one partner in her life and then turned a budding PUA down. That’s fantastic. Winner is you.

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  145. Poetry of Flesh,

    Why should any man care about what a woman has to say? What is in it for him? Sex- you can buy that, kids- does transmitting your genes matter?, companionship- dogs..

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  146. But, Lucifer, bestiality is illegal.

    For shame, sir.

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  147. companionship- dogs..

    I’d never trade my experiences with my female friends for a dog. Dogs don’t hug, play Scrabble, and offer warmth and consolation on the passing of a loved one, and feelings of congratulations for good news..

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  148. As for Ellie, I find that a sad example of lack of experience of a girl in her mid-twenties.

    I await your savaging by the others.

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  149. David,

    The standard attempt of barking dogs, held back by chains. Hardly savaging. But I do hope that you aren’t waiting too long for your entertainment.

    Personally, as soon as my class is out, I’m going to meet up with friends and likely forget that I commented here.

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  150. Getting naked in the car, and then saying “no sex”, is asshole game by the girl. An asshole response is required, but the asshole response has to be civilized and uncaring. An uncivilized response shows you care too much

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  151. Sofia:

    Theoretically, I wouldn’t mind having sex on my period, but I also act under the assumption that most men DO. Which sucks. Men are so sensitive sometimes…

    It depends on the hotness of the girl.

    Alias Clio:

    From now on, get to know your beaus first (like over a few months of dating, not a few casual dates or “hanging out” in the same group) before you let anything physical happen.

    Says it all, really.

    Who on this planet thinks they are such a special and unique snowflake that a man will wait *months* before anything physical will happen?

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  152. I don’t find anything disgusting about the idea of sex during a woman’s period. I’ve always just assumed that women are in pain or not in the mood during that time.

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  153. Who on this planet thinks they are such a special and unique snowflake that a man will wait *months* before anything physical will happen?

    A) U.S. =/= planet.
    B) Happens in arranged marriages during engagement period.
    C) Clioooooo.
    D) I’ve managed it.
    E) Probably not unless you bring up Very Good Multiple Reasons with Real Men, though.
    F) What magnification do you have to use to see how special and unique a snowflake is?

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  154. Bhetti:

    D) I’ve managed it.

    On the lickspittle beta metric would you say this man was

    a. very lickspittle beta

    or

    b. somewhat lickspittle beta?

    C) Clioooooo.

    I rest my case.

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  155. Tupac:
    Boys, really.

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  156. Her: “I’m on my period.”

    Me: “I don’t care!”

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  157. Months? For real?

    Nah, you gotta be bullshittin’…months?

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  158. I might get a man to wait, but it would be me that would have the hard time. 😦

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  159. It’s good to see anthropological discussion of menstruation. Asians usually ignore the flow and prefer this delicate time for cunnilingus, opting for the chunky salsa. Eating the afterbirth and even the whole placenta is considered a delicacy. Jews, of course, pay someone else to complete the task.

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  160. Firepower you’ve inspired a song

    Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I got blood in my tummy
    And I feel like a-lovin you
    Blood, you’re such a sweet thing
    Good enough to eat thing
    And it’s just a-what I’m gonna do

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  161. aoefe:

    I might get a man to wait, but it would be me that would have the hard time.

    Exactly aoefe. Feminine women with healthy libidos can resist the allure of alpha for only so long.

    If a woman can wait months, that means she either is:

    a. not particularly turned on by the man, but appreciates his provider qualities

    or

    b. is a frigid ice-queen with congenital low-libido

    Who needs that shit?

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  162. @tupac

    I agree with both 1 and 2. Although there are times when religious beliefs enter the picture and you have two people white knuckling it till the Big Day – libido is not an issue in this case – faith is. Kudos to them.

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  163. 1910 Fruitgum. Vaginal Vampirism. I sense a feeding theme – an oral fixation. I must send your email

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  164. aoefe: I’m not sure what intense frustration does to a guy but I’m really learning the meaning of heavy sympathy there. I’m finding it very hard to even conceive of saying ‘No’ (as opposed to ‘Please’) nevermind actually doing it. Very new.

    JB: two instances. First was an online thing that never got offline. Second was a guy with a bad case of one-itis since we were 11. Something actually physically happened with the latter when I was 19. But not ‘all the way’.

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  165. “not all the way?” perhaps he didn’t realize that the blockage wasn’t a hymen, but a proto-penis. Just readjust your tuck

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  166. Bhetti: well, that explains it.

    1) “Online things that never go offline” don’t count. “Pretend online girlfriends” are fun. Real life girls that “make you wait” are tragic.

    2) Sounds like a special circumstance for sure.

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  167. Firepower, you need less transgender pr0n
    between watching Disney channel, hon.

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  168. Who needs that shit?

    Then you convert her into a platonic friend if she’s worth hugging.

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  169. Bhetti loved the REEply! Kool.

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  170. THANK YOU PUPU!!!

    I’d been looking for that chart, after seeing it and not bookmarking it. It’s got fascinating data, particularly on # of partners and rate of STDs and age of first partner. The US, Israel, Britain, Thailand, Canada, Switzerland all have about 10 partners. China, India, Hong Kong all have around 3, while Spain, Germany, Slovakia, and Poland have 6. Czech Republic and Denmark have 9 partners, Iceland, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Sweden, all have around 14 partners with Turkey getting 15 partners. Iceland and Germany each have average age of 15 for first sexual experience. Depressing reading.

    THANKS Pupu!

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  171. Sofia

    We should conduct a survey of how many go for it during a girl’s period, and how many men don’t.

    I thought everyone did.

    Just keep a plush red bath towel handy to lay down on the mattress. And bleach will quickly get out any dried blood stains, in case you need to remove clues in a hurry for your next date.

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  172. aoefe

    how do you take the sea sponge out when there’s no string attached?

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  173. “OK, there seems to be a little discrepancy about this.Is it,or is it not,alpha to sleep with married women?”

    Alpha

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  174. “Seductive Eastern European accents are more effective than Southern European ones”

    This applies to chicks too. I associate the accent, rightly or wrongly, with intelligence, drive, and a lack of psycho bullshit that sets many eastern european chicks from american ones. Eastern europe chicks have a big effect on me now.

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  175. @Sofia:
    “We should conduct a survey of how many go for it during a girl’s period, and how many men don’t.”

    I’ve done on the rag but lately I’ve been more into trying to have experiences with such outstanding quality that they leave a long term impression in the mind. On the rag doesn’t cut it for these. I’ll take a BJ in exchange for fingerbaning though….

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  176. Here’s what you do with a girl who says no, when clearly everything was pointing to yes.

    “Ok, fine, no problem”. Then back off for all of 10 seconds, then lean in with heavy petting, until she says “no” again.

    Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

    “Ok, fine, no problem”, while your dick is inside her and fucking will work just fine also – make her laugh, at least.

    Completely agree, but don’t actually stop. Just pause.

    It’s a total dick head move, but unless she stands up and puts her clothes on, she wants you to know that no doesn’t mean no.

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  177. And I’ve had several first date lays that followed just that script. They all led to long term relationships.

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  178. @anonymous

    You need a loooong reach and some pushing of your pelvic floor muscels but totally doable. There’s only so far it can go, it’s not gone and lost forever. 🙂

    I’m trying out the picture thing…gravatar thing-me-bobber…always jealous of those with pics. My name aoefe is already taken – so had to add an e. My identify is gone!

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  179. Crap didn’t work…i’m still pink. And i have the wrong name…

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  180. @xsplat

    Try to learn to back off just before the “no”…and check your phone for messages… by being able to predict just before the “no” you’ll show your control and composure.

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  181. Better question would be (since period-fucking is apparently commonplace):

    How many men have eaten a girl out during her period?

    These are the results I’m really interested in. Any man that can profess to this will earn my undying respect.

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  182. @aoefee:

    “…pushing of your pelvic floor muscels but totally doable…”

    Good to know you know how to work them… you’d be surprised at how many chicks don’t…. totally shitty lays by comparison with those that do.

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  183. Aofee,

    I can see your avatar! Sometimes it takes a while to kick in. Be patient.

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  184. Never mind…refresh who knew…

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  185. Another rat bastard trick I use sometimes, in lieu of actual foreplay, is to climb on top of my naked girl and pry her legs apart and say “no, really, I’m not going to fuck you. Look! My dick is soft. It’s impossible to fuck you. No, really, trust me”

    She’ll make a show of resistance. She likes to resist, and loves it that I’m such a rat bastard who would pull such a dastardly trick.

    “Come on! Trust me! This time it’s true. Ok, I’ll just play a bit on the outside. Ok, just a bit inside, but it’s not really fucking. Ok, just take a rest here for a bit. Ok, well, maybe we’re fucking”.

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  186. @jerdogg – “Good to know you know how to work them… you’d be surprised at how many chicks don’t…. totally shitty lays by comparison with those that do.”

    I’ll be sure to mention that on my next first date. hehe

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  187. @sofia:

    “How many men have eaten a girl out during her period?”

    Not me… never have…

    I’m really good at eating too… and I can really get into it. But not on the rag…. most women have too many feelings about it anyway…. I’m sure I could bear doing it.. but it wouldn’t compare to when my head is in the game.

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  188. Patience isn’t in my virtue box.

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  189. Sofia

    How many men have eaten a girl out during her period?

    If I did I would have been too drunk to remember the next day. And I’ll claim that the reason I know the taste of blood is due to my own bloody lips.

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  190. Jerrdog

    Try to learn to back off just before the “no”…and check your phone for messages… by being able to predict just before the “no” you’ll show your control and composure.

    What the hell are you talking about? When I’m rubbing my dick on a dates tits, I have no interest in my phone. That would be rude, and I’m a gentleman.

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  191. It’s not rude if you’re showing her that your time really is valuable and that your interrupting your valuable time to make out with her 1/2 the time you can. And just kiss her really well…. make her mind wander when you kiss her… make her feel like she’s falling out of control from the kissing alone… and then _DONT_ pursue… tease her. Women love that…. you know what they’re thinking about when you kiss them… but you have to make them wait for it and earn it.

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  192. Sorry Jerrdog, dude, I’m not following you.

    Are you suggesting that during the naked act of foreplay you routinely wander off to diddle around with your cellphone?

    Yes, that’s rude.

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  193. Sofia,

    Yeah, I’ve got the red wings.

    One thing though, clit licking only. You don’t get the full show that time of the month. It’s like the matinee cast of a broadway show. They’re still good but they’re not the front line talent.

    JerrDog,

    I’m surprised it took someone this long to post the obvious right answer. If she’s naked in the back seat of your car, she wants to have sex and it’s your job to make sure she feels comfortable and turned on enough to be so in the moment that she can.

    In Bang Roosh says that sex is guaranteed when the panties come off. In my experience, he’s right.

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  194. And Drogba, kicking the girl out of the car proves, with your “alpha” actions, that you are terribly emotionally invested.

    Terribly.

    If you truly don’t care about her (which is not at all alpha, as it shows no sociability), then you’d have no lesson you’d need to teach her.

    If she’s a write off, write her off in such a way that it makes no difference to you if she knows your disdain. She is beyond even needing to know, that’s how unimportant she is to you. And if she asks, you tell her.

    So either you want to fuck her, or you don’t. If you do, you seduce her. If you don’t, you let her get on with her life.

    You don’t make a stupid nuisance of yourself and your sexuality.

    When girls tease me, and get far too much attention from me, with the express purpose of busting my balls, I push things to the limit and if it’s still a no then berate them them push them off. Or just blow them off completely as if they never existed. Revenge is a tell for internal inconsistencies that lead to emotional outbursts.

    And your writing speaks of several internal inconsistencies. And lots of useless anger that gets in the way of both seduction and life satisfaction. What normals call love.

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  195. Steve, Jerrdogs answer may be right in some contexts, but his description was not obviously right.

    Aloofness is overplayed on PUA forums. Aloofness alone is what you are when you are fully clothed and gay.

    During foreplay, you’d damn well better have some passion. It will turn the girl on.

    The balance is having tons of passion, but not being demanding about it. The balance is NOT about having so little passion that you just don’t care if you fuck or not.

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  196. Another dynamic that has been underplayed when a girl is naked and saying no, is the value of humor.

    Never take a no seriously. It’s not some big huge serious thing. Make her laugh.

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  197. xsplat,

    In my view the question isn’t the right way to kick her to the curb (be rude or matter of fact? let her have her clothes back or not? etc.) It’s seeing through the shit test and how to physically handle it.

    Agree with her words, and go back to fooling around. The bang is there for the taking. Even the question of kicking her out of the car misses a key point. If she really doesn’t want to have sex she’ll be the one who wants to leave the car in case she fears that the guy will not take no for an answer. If she’s still there and still naked, game on.

    Reading through the thread Jerrdog was the first poster I saw (I might have missed someone) to point this out and recommend action based on this premise.

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  198. Steve, reread. I was the person who pointed that out and said that.

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  199. Seeking Alpha.

    the state department/dc thing could all be just a persona. I always assumed this was the blog of Ross Jeffries. Look at the blog name: ‘ROiSSy’ – Ross Jeffries 😉

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  200. Xsplat-

    My first assertion was that actually, in that situation she would take my dick. So in part i agree with you on your policy of persistance. So its a totally hypothetical situation, but assuming shes actually serious The situation is actually ridiculous. To the extent i have never been in that situation, not in a car, not in my room, not outside. Guess what, girls that don’t want to fuck me don’t get naked in my presence…….. you must be a serious herb if a girl thinks she can be naked in your naked presence totally platonically!!

    Don’t know why it’s so hard to get your head around this, but i’d be so genuinely pissed off i’d throw her out, she could have her clothes though. Your right i do have anger issues. Call it emotional issues, i don’t suppress my emotions for pussy….

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  201. Xsplat-

    My first assertion was that actually, in that situation she would take my dick. So in part i agree with you on your policy of persistance. So its a totally hypothetical situation, but assuming shes actually serious The situation is actually ridiculous. To the extent i have never been in that situation, not in a car, not in my room, not outside. Guess what, girls that don’t want to fuck me don’t get naked in my presence…….. you must be a serious herb if a girl thinks she can be naked in your naked presence totally platonically!!

    Don’t know why it’s so hard to get your head around this, but i’d be so genuinely pissed off i’d throw her out, she could have her clothes though. Your right i do have anger issues. Call it emotional issues, i don’t suppress my emotions for pussy….

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  202. Then she bites my dust, as i speed off with some heavy bass blaring out this tune….

    “if you don’t understand my ghetto, YOU SHOULDA NEVER COME AROUND”

    There comes a point where you gotta follow your principles instead of the pussy, You can’t let your whole life be an over-analysed manipulative extension of game, or trying to get pussy. Sometimes guys just get annoyed and pissed of ya know. You wouldn’t take shit from a guy friend or random bloke, so why the gash?

    if you walk into a restuarant, get seated and then order some food and then 20 minutes later the waiter comes back and tells you you aren’t going to be served, do you not have a right to be pissed off? does being pissed off mean that you are starving, desperate for food or overly emotionally invested in the food? NO YOU JUST DON’T LIKE HAVING YOUR TIME WASTED.

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  203. Whiskey,

    You are most welcome. The data source is apparently from the Durex Global Sex Survey. The bubble chart has also left a lasting impression in Pupu’s mind. It is possible that culture has played a role in skewing the data just a bit. There is a general tendency of under-claiming the number of sexual partners, except that men in some macho cultures, such as Turkey and Greece, may also see benefit (social approval) in bragging.

    The size of the Chinese bubble in the lower left region suggests the likely hood of STD among the Chinese must be the highest for so large percentage (about 15%) of them to have an infection with so few partners and relatively safe sex practice.

    Here is a better look at the bubble chart:

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  204. Drogba

    if you walk into a restuarant, get seated and then order some food and then 20 minutes later the waiter comes back and tells you you aren’t going to be served, do you not have a right to be pissed off? does being pissed off mean that you are starving, desperate for food or overly emotionally invested in the food? NO YOU JUST DON’T LIKE HAVING YOUR TIME WASTED.

    You nailed your experience. You pinpointed your emotions, put them onto the end of a nail, and hit them with a hammer. Perfect.

    And five years from now, do it again, and you’ll have different experiences to nail. Rinse and repeat. It’s never ending, regarding the search for platonic truths about relatsionship.

    You’ve got your finger on that type of relationship.

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  205. And Drogba, it’s not helpful to share your hypothetical choices.

    Write it to your diary.

    This is not your diary.

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  206. Xsplat-

    Save your advice for someone who cares. That is not me. Whilst you sound intelligent, you also sound like someone who doesn’t have the natural game or attractive attributes to EXPECT. Something accumulated from years of success with women, and generally being quite attractive.

    When you expect the slut to take your cock and love it. You have no problem ejecting her when she doesn’t.

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  207. Tupac and Bhetti: What my response says in fact is that I’m older than you are and can remember a time when waiting a few months or weeks was more common, even among people who weren’t religious or ill or busy. I don’t know whether it would work today.

    It’s true that most men don’t have the patience to wait unless they really like a woman. The thing is, though, that “Ellie” sounds like a rather vulnerable person. If I’m right about her, she’s likely to go through the same thing again if she tries to date in the Tupac style: she’ll meet a man, respond to the pressure to sleep with him soon because she wants to please him, with her own desire being less of a factor in the decision than his; and then crave reassurance that he really likes her, which will make her seem needy and grovelling even if she isn’t in everyday life. And of course he’ll lose interest because of her neediness, and she will have created the situation she dreads.

    This isn’t an easy cycle for a woman of this kind to break, and the only way out of it is to set firm boundaries from the start. If she makes it clear that the man is free to date others while they’re getting to know each other, he isn’t as likely to perceive it as arrogance or special snowflakeism. And he may just discover that he likes her better than the flakey demanding difficult women that he occasionally sleeps with – if what you fellows say about your sexual partners in general is true.

    And yes, it will be difficult for such a woman to say no if she’s with an alpha to whom she’s really attracted – difficult, but not impossible.

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  208. Re. “waiting a few months or weeks”

    In a social context where waiting for sex is the norm, it is actually very sweet and sexy.

    What guys in today’s libertine social context want to avoid is being that fool who “respects” the girl and tolerates her reluctance to rush things while other, more aggressive dudes have gotten into her pants after one or two dates. Or she “friends” him and runs off to other guys because their relationship didn’t proceed according to the expected pace.

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  209. “And Drogba, it’s not helpful to share your hypothetical choices.”

    Sorry my friend if im not used to getting told to stop when im naked going for the sweet spot. Thats generally due to my Hot body and tight game…..but perhaps you’re right, i should leave that topic to you, as you’re probably advising from a position of experience of getting flaked on whilst naked with your cock out.

    Then again i’d think the opinion of men who are actually successful with women should be more important…..go figure.

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  210. Yes, game is a valid concept. But no, it is not the silver bullet that the puas claim it to be

    The most honest pua story is that of Paul Janka. Janka is white, tall and good looking. Janka is very aggressive, asking out hundreds of females. Janka has developed a lot of strategies for getting the females drunk while he stays sober. Janka scores a lot.

    Is it really “game” that is working for Janka, or is it (tall) + (good looking) + (asking out hundreds of women) + (drunk females) + (sober Janka)?

    In my humble opinion, “game” or to put it another way, a cocky confident attitude, works but it just can’t take someone from zero to hero

    Here is an experiment – take Janka’s identical twin, a man with the same height, same looks. Have this man ask out a thousand women without using game – ie have this man make self depricating comments, praise the woman he is asking out, be polite, etc. I would bet that if Janka plus game = 50 scores, the identical twin of janka, who asks out the same number of women without using game, will have a # of scores in the same ballpark. It won’t be zero vs 50 – It will be perhaps 20 vs 50

    My evidence? Well I know a number of tall good looking guys that have no game at all. The ones that put themselves in a position to get to know lots of females do spectacularly well. An example would be, tall good looking man who lacks self confidence, is self depricating, but who tends bar at a bar serving NYU students. Another example – tall good looking man who works for club med.

    My point is, there is plenty of success out there for tall good looking white men who choose to spend 10 hours a day talking to single women WHETHER OR NOT THEY USE GAME.

    I know that not all men are white, tall, and good looking. I know that for short fat bald asian men, life is hard. But stop pretending that game is a silver bullet that can move men up a number of notches on the success ladder. Game is just one thing that can move a man moderately up the ladder

    The pua’s like Roissey have their own scummy agenda for pretending that game is more powerful than it really is.

    [editor: hi, spungen.]

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  211. I understand the part about not wanting to play the fool for a manipulative woman – but if she says that her date is free to date other women during the getting-to-know-you period, is the woman really likely to be trying to manipulate him? In such cases the risk is more likely to be hers than his, it seems to me. Or at any rate, the risk of rejection will be equally shared.

    Sex early in a relationship is simply too difficult and emotionally disruptive for many women, no matter how passionate they may be by nature. In fact, the more passionate, in both the emotional and physical sense, that a woman is, the more difficulty she’s likely to have coping with contemporary social and sexual behaviour.

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  212. Czech is hard, but I picked it up pretty well after taking a 3-month intensive course (I was also living in Prague at the time). I’m currently living in Estonia and studied Estonian all last year and over the summer. It is much, much harder.

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  213. new raekwon album sounds good, but i’m gonna need 6 more spins before i review it. luckily, i have several giant bottles of vodka and madden 2010.

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  214. robert: it appears to me you’re creating a bit of a false dichotomy here.

    Tall good looking guy simply “talking to women” IS game. We can quibble about efficiency and method, but it is highly probable that the content of that interaction is highly g-loaded (where g = game — hat tip to HBDs.)

    That’s how one needs to look at it. What is the g-loading of a male-female interaction? Not whether there’s strict adherence to Mystery Method or some other specific school of Game.

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  215. Slavic languages are exceedingly difficult due to their extremely complex grammar. For example, every noun and adjective goes through one of eight declensions, depending on the specific language, based on its function in the sentence. The rules governing these declension suffixes are maddeningly complicated and often irregular/arbitrary.

    But to communicate charmingly as a foreigner, you don’t need to speak it perfectly or even well.

    Estonian is not a Slavic language and I’m not familiar with it, so I can’t say if it’s more or less difficult than Czech or Russian.

    The best-sounding languages are Baltic (Lithuanian and Latvian). They have a nice combination of melodiousness and crispness.

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  216. In a social context where waiting for sex is the norm, it is actually very sweet and sexy.

    Hehe, that’s funny. I’d probably end up jerking off to the point where porn eliminates whatever little attractiveness she has…

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  217. In fact, someone needs to do some studies on Comparative Game and figure out the game-factor common to all schools. 😉

    I would guess that all schools are highly g-loaded, similarly all beta chump interactions have g-loading below half.

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  218. But to communicate charmingly as a foreigner, you don’t need to speak it perfectly or even well.

    Caveat: to a Slavic native-speaker, English speakers inadvertantly sound like retarded children when they try to speak a Slavic language. It’s mainly a pronounciation thing.

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  219. Yeah, as a Russian speaker I recommend you guys pick up Italian instead. It takes serious dedication to sound halfway decent in Russian. Grammar too complex, a set of idioms that rarely matches English via direct translation and a whole different cultural attitude to express.

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  220. new raekwon album sounds good, but i’m gonna need 6 more spins before i review it. luckily, i have several giant bottles of vodka and madden 2010.

    I thought OBCL2 comes out next Tuesday?

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  221. @ ellie upthread –

    I’ll be plain: he’s already lost interest, and he did so long before now. Your best option is to cut your losses, stop taking his calls and move on.

    [blockquote]”he asked me to be his girlfriend at that point, and i was shocked, but i liked him so i said ok.”[/blockquote]

    THIS is when he lost interest and put you in the booty call category. That’s right, the very first night. You knew this guy for all of one evening at a bar. He asked you to be his girlfriend that night and you said yes? Think about it. You spent 24 years rejecting HUNDREDS of guys. What was it about this one that made him so special? Was it his personality, his character, his protective nature, his intelligence? It can’t have been any of those things, because you didn’t take time to discover them. You bought a car based on its shiny paint without even a perfunctory glance under the hood, and now you’re surprised it’s a lemon!

    I think he’s a successful alpha cad who read you as sweet and maybe a little dumb. The girlfriend question was a test, and when you said “yes” he realized he could do whatever he wanted with you, no challenge involved! Any girl who will agree to date a man exclusively without vetting his character first, isn’t girlfriend material. It means another man can steal her away just as easily.

    [blockquote]”anyway, he pressured me into having sex with him the second to last time, even though i didn’t want to but some part of me was worried that i would never hear from him again if i didnt.”[/blockquote]

    I don’t buy this. You DID want to have sex with him; his game and alpha aloofness turned you on. Now that it’s blown up in your face, you’re backpedaling to save your reputation. Every other sentence in your screed is all “I’m a nice girl” and “I’ve never done this before”, typical female self-rationalizations. You’re SO invested in playing the naive victim, you refuse to acknowledge your total complicity in everything that happened here. Nobody forced you to drive to his house late at night, knowing full well why he was calling you. The danger here is you won’t learn from this mistake until you admit you did this to yourself.

    This guy has shown you his colors already. There is no salvaging this. You have two choices here. You can continue to chase him and guys like him, while playing the “why meee?” victim card and wondering why you keep getting used. Or you can wise up (a bit late at 24, but hey) stop answering his booty calls and resolve to be more careful in the future. Maybe even give one or two of those betas you’ve been rejecting a chance.

    Remember: once is an honest mistake, twice is a pattern…and a short ride to becoming the “skanky trash” you fear so much.

    @ the lez reader –

    One of my best friends is a lesbian and she gets tons of straight girls. I’ve seen her use TONS of kino, lots of slow sexy dancing and talking about how natural, sensual and spiritual it is when two women make love. Lots of that Lillith Fair sisterhood bonding stuff. She’s a cute femme so the game might be different for a butch. But either way, you can’t compete with men for straight girls. You need to present a completely DIFFERENT world for her to explore, and imply you can take her there – but only because she’s so cool and not like most other straight girls. Qualify her.

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  222. ugh, excuse my bad html. not enough coffee today.

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  223. wants to please him, with her own desire being less of a factor in the decision than his; and then crave reassurance that he really likes her, which will make her seem needy and grovelling even if she isn’t in everyday life. And of course he’ll lose interest because of her neediness, and she will have created the situation she dreads. ”

    You are describing my alpha-ex relationship. He didn’t call me needy, he said “I try too hard”, same diff though. I became exclusive with him on the second date when he insisted he wanted to get to know me and not even look at another woman. I was flattered. He ended it when I noticed he was spending online time meeting women and I said I was experiencing jealous feelings. He said he couldn’t stand jealousy.

    Fortunately when he ended it with me I reacted well. Told him he should stretch his wings and date, I told him I would do the same. I had enough respect for myself that I didn’t grovel or lower myself in my own eyes. I don’t think he anticipated the reaction which fits with your next statement.

    Clio said : “If she makes it clear that the man is free to date others while they’re getting to know each other, he isn’t as likely to perceive it as arrogance or special snowflakeism. And he may just discover that he likes her better than the flakey demanding difficult women that he occasionally sleeps with – if what you fellows say about your sexual partners in general is true.”

    Which explains in part why he’s recently connected with me, his new flakey, demanding, difficult woman pales in comparison to moi. I shut him down, losing respect for him because of his poor choice to move in with the chick he’d just met.

    Clio you are a fountain of wisdom. Respect.

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  224. The above first paragraph is attributed to clio, sorry I missed that mention. 🙂

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  225. Mailbag
    I’ve been dating typical dykes for a while, which is getting boring. Straight girls seem hotter, more femme, and easier to just fuck for a while without having to move in on the second date. (I’m not even gonna talk about the bi ones.)
    A woman who has sex with other women is, by definition, either lesbian or bisexual. Not straight.

    Poetry of Flesh

    Being pressured by social standards to “not put out” and her own idea of being considered “skanky trash” by having sex with a supposed player, she’s handicapped herself on a spectacular level.

    Why exactly is being chaste supposed to be a spectacular handicap?

    She has no idea of how to own her sexuality, own herself, and how to say no.

    By refusing to have sex with someone, she does not own herself and does not know how to say no?

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  226. SA:
    “I thought OBCL2 comes out next Tuesday?”

    It does, but I’m on the ‘buy side.’ I’ll hit you with the .rar file if you’re interested.

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  227. Eastern European hip-hop gangstas. Funny:

    http://englishrussia.com/?p=5136

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  228. You Know Who,

    “Why exactly is being chaste supposed to be a spectacular handicap?”

    When everyone else around you is chaste, or at least the majority of people around you are chaste or at least holding back, you’re on an even playing field. But when you’re chaste and you’re in your mid-twenties and, according to her own words, and object of desire, it can be a liability because the chastity doesn’t spring from convinctions, but from other sources. Ellie seemed to be being chaste not necessarily because of personal or spiritual/moral reasons, but because no one had truly caught her interest. No one had challenged her or really made her look twice.

    Once someone with a decent amount of game came by, she was unable to recognize it and, apparently, was taken advantage of. She’s caught up with him, now, on an emotional level, and he was just using her for sex. And her lack of experience was a handicap in recognizing those signs. Even now, she’s still preventing herself from realizing what happened.

    If it makes more sense, to draw similiarities to social development… home-schooled kids. They don’t learn how to socialize with people in their own age group. When they get out of whatever program they’re in, they’re incredibly socially handicapped, enough to be recognized as home-schooled and hamper them and their interactions with others. Same thing here, in my view. She did not progress with her peer group. Her sexual experience/maturity level seems to be that of a high school freshman. Now she’s in the “adult” world.

    “By refusing to have sex with someone, she does not own herself and does not know how to say no?

    Towards the thing I just said above, it’s easy to say no if you don’t truly want something. But once you’re physically and/or emotionally engaged, it becomes significantly harder to say no.

    She didn’t know how to say no to something that made her actually want it. She did not know how to identify the type of man she was with (due to lack of experience) and extricate herself from that situation.

    She’s on a playing field with adult males that are vastly more experienced than she is. Unless one happens to come along and take her under his wing, give her a relationship and marry her and the like, chances are this is just going to happen again, in one way or another.

    I doubt she’s without lust, I doubt she’s looking to be single. She hasn’t explored or experienced her sexuality the way others do within their age group. She’s under-developed. She doubts herself, she clings to a man that used her. She’s allowing him to own and engineer her through her own experience and insecurity.

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  229. It does, but I’m on the ‘buy side.’ I’ll hit you with the .rar file if you’re interested.

    Thanks CC but I’m gonna end up buying it anyway so I don’t mind waiting. How are the Dre produced tracks?

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  230. Poetry of Flesh, being chaste does not make you oblivious to social engineering. There is no causal relationship there.

    Your post in a nutshell: “HERE IS WHY YOU SHOULD BE A SLUT.”

    Do chaste women offend your feminist sensibilities or something?

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  231. on September 3, 2009 at 1:34 pm Cannon's Canon

    SA:
    The Dre tracks are extra-average. I am glad he didn’t stick around to oversee the whole thing.

    Pete Rock laid down the best beat, barring further review. Flashbacks of track 5 from the ‘Soul Survivor’ album, fifteen years ago. I would love to hear that collaboration album someday.

    When I try to consider the all-time hip hop albums, I ask myself if it would sound better if Pete Rock remixed the whole thing. Not many pass the test.

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  232. I’d love to see an online debate between Poetry of Flesh and Alias Clio.

    Barring that, some sort of catfight would be nice. Involving mud or jello or somesuch.

    Cannon:

    You and your jigaboo music…

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  233. on September 3, 2009 at 1:49 pm Cannon's Canon

    Tupac:
    Are you telling me you are not fiending a Pete Rock remix of “Paint the Sky with Stars”???

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  234. alias clio–

    I understand the part about not wanting to play the fool for a manipulative woman – but if she says that her date is free to date other women during the getting-to-know-you period, is the woman really likely to be trying to manipulate him? In such cases the risk is more likely to be hers than his, it seems to me. Or at any rate, the risk of rejection will be equally shared.

    Sex early in a relationship is simply too difficult and emotionally disruptive for many women, no matter how passionate they may be by nature. In fact, the more passionate, in both the emotional and physical sense, that a woman is, the more difficulty she’s likely to have coping with contemporary social and sexual behaviour.

    I completely respect this position clio. I really do.

    So long as it’s applied to all men.

    The trouble comes when, as is usually the case in our society for girls at least once they’re no longer teens, they haven’t a time or two or several before. That ok she regrets. And has decided she won’t go there again.

    Because does that just mean she won’t until she meets the next real good at game alpha who DOESN’T respect her desire for getting to know her time with playing permitted for him during that phase, but instead undermines it skillfully.

    that consideration causes the alpha who may in fact be contemplating settling down with an at least fairly good girl who has great difficulty separating sex from falling in love, to seriously wonder if he shouldn’t just go hell for leather to sexually seduce her first despite what she say she fervently wants and offers in return, and then see where the relations goes. Or not.

    Now if she’s an actual virgin or damn close esp. from a religious tradition (really a social and belief community, religious or not) that bolsters and helps explain that result as being something other than very low interest or aversion, that makes it much easier for an alpha male to accept.

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  235. You Know Who,

    “Your post in a nutshell: “HERE IS WHY YOU SHOULD BE A SLUT.”

    Hardly. My comment was intended to be, “Here is why you should progress with your age group instead of letting old fashioned social morals steer your lifestyle.” I certainly do not advocate sluthood.

    “Do chaste women offend your feminist sensibilities or something?”

    Oh, you know me and my need to make men and women equal, along with my backwards social campaigns revolving around glass ceilings and double-standards.

    Sarcasm and your mis-conceptions aside, no. What someone else does with their sex life is of their concern, not mine. I just prefer that their logic behind their actions be consistent and well thought out.

    Her story was just a nice little springboard for my general idea of sexuality. Naive, attractive female taken advantage of by the big bad player. Perfect.

    Tupac,

    “I’d love to see an online debate between Poetry of Flesh and Alias Clio.”

    I don’t think it would be that entertaining. We both seem to be polite and respectful.

    “Barring that, some sort of catfight would be nice. Involving mud or jello or somesuch.”

    As long as it isn’t chocolate. When chocolate sauce mixes with sweat and female musk, it turns stomachs. I couldn’t eat chocolate for a few weeks after that wrestling match, and I only did the photography for it.

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  236. Poetry–

    If it makes more sense, to draw similiarities to social development… home-schooled kids. They don’t learn how to socialize with people in their own age group. When they get out of whatever program they’re in, they’re incredibly socially handicapped, enough to be recognized as home-schooled and hamper them and their interactions with others. Same thing here, in my view. She did not progress with her peer group. Her sexual experience/maturity level seems to be that of a high school freshman. Now she’s in the “adult” world.

    That’s an incredibly blinkered, slut’s eye view of the world.

    There is something to the notion that going it completely alone without any social subgroup sharing your views towards sexual restraint presents problems, and in that case the analogy to home schooled kids makes some sense. (though not all home schooled kids are socially isolated; some do socialize with others with similar views, etc.)

    But your supposition that the only social peer groups available in America today are slut ones is ridiculous and narrow.

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  237. Hi guys, thanks for all your answers. I think I am going to stop talking to him. I know I am a little naive when it comes to guys, since I only started dating recently.
    I just wanted to say a few things based on some of the comments I saw. Some people were saying that I really was attracted to him and wanted to sleep with him, and am just lying to myself. That’s not true. I really did not want to have sex. The first time, I kept telling him no and he just kept going even when i tried to push him off, and I asked him to stop a few times, and he would stop for a minute but then start again. He is much bigger than me and I couldn’t really push him that hard. I guess some people will say I could have kicked and screamed, but I guess I was mostly in shock. The second time, I started by saying no and trying to get him off, but I gave up after a while because it seemed that it was easier than fighting. Yes, I probably should have been more assertive, but like I said, I was kind of shocked by the situation, and also, I thought that if I made a really big deal of trying to get him to stop, he would be angry and not talk to me anymore. Sick logic, I know. But please don’t say I really “wanted” it or something and am lying. I certainly didn’t want it, did not enjoy it, and wish it never happened.

    Second of all, I saw some comments saying I am attracted to jerks. I might be a little naive, but I have definitely had a lot of guy friends, flirtations, whatever, and I can recognize a jerk when I meet one. When I was in high school I was attracted to that type of person, but now that I am older, guys who act too arrogant don’t appeal to me. When I said that he used things I saw on this website, I meant that he acted confident, he was persistent without being pushy, he did not really act impressed by my looks like most guys do that I meet, and if I did not like some behavior of his, he acted like I was the one being unreasonable. I think the most powerful thing he did was he always made me feel like he was about to walk away, when I usually have guys who will put up with any lack of attention from me and keep calling and calling. He kind of flipped the tables and made me feel like if I wasn’t on my best behavior, he would say goodbye and talk to somebody else, which usually doesn’t happen to me. He did not act like a jerk at any point though, like in terms of insulting me or making me feel bad about myself, except for when he pressured me to sleep with him.

    I am not trying to defend my actions or say I am without blame. I certainly walked into this myself, put myself in the situation, and did not leave many times when I had the chance. I just wanted to clear some things up about some of the comments.

    Anyway, we live in a free country, obviously, and everyone is welcome to do what they want, but I just wanted to say that a website like this that teaches guys how to use women might seem really cool and exciting to guys who are having trouble with girls, but you should remember that when you do these things and play girls or use them, you are actually hurting a living, feeling human being. You are preying on someone’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities for your own selfish pleasure. Sure, you can say, “Well, maybe girls shouldn’t be so stupid then,” but that’s kind of like a rapist saying girls shouldn’t dress sexy if they don’t want to be raped.

    Anyway, thanks again for all the advice. Sorry for writing such a long post but you guys are very honest and smart, so you gave me a lot to think about.

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  238. Cannon:

    Aw fuck it, I aint even gonna front

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  239. Ellie, the men on this board may appear to be eager to find ways to “exploit” women. Fine. True enough. They also complain about the ways women exploit men, and while I’d heard much of this before, reading here regularly helped me understand some things better.

    I suggest that for a few months you try reading this blog regularly too, and see what you can learn from it, even at its nastiest. You may find it helps you to avoid situations like the one you got into. The man you met may not have been a jerk (though I’m not quite convinced), but he was certainly an experienced, dominant male who knew how to Game you.

    Reading here regularly could indirectly give you some of the Experience that Poetry of Flesh thinks you can only acquire via actual experience. Her way would be a dangerous route for you, I think, given the kind of person you appear to be. But one way or another you’ll need to toughen up to survive the mating game.

    p.s. I doubt that it was shock that kept you from kicking or screaming, though his pushiness may have taken you by surprise. Rather, when you know someone through ordinary social channels, it’s difficult to break free of conventional behaviour and start screaming when he starts to press you in some way. It’s like those people who find themselves signing up for charities or activities they really don’t want to take part in, simply because they were asked by a neighbour, co-worker or friend.

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  240. Poetry of Flesh

    Hardly. My comment was intended to be, “Here is why you should progress with your age group instead of letting old fashioned social morals steer your lifestyle.” I certainly do not advocate sluthood.

    But what is all the rage with kids today? Slutting it up.

    You might as well say that you should not let newfangled social morals steer your lifestyle. Just because something is oldfashioned doesn’t mean it’s bad, and just because something is new doesn’t mean it’s good. As has been documented by many people, a culture of sluthood does not make anyone happy (at least not long-term, and with the likely exception of PUAs) or lead to a better society.

    There’s no reason why you should automatically progress with your age group. That’s lemming behavior, and you’re going to fall of a cliff.

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  241. doug1,

    “But your supposition that the only social peer groups available in America today are slut ones is ridiculous and narrow.”

    Ah, that’s not what I meant. I thought this might be a problem when I posted it.

    I’m not saying she should have a high partner count. I’m not saying she should have started having sex at 16, or that by any random age she should have at least x-amount of partners.

    What I was trying to say was that it would have been easier for her to, basically, stick with the program of the people around her, of the social class/groups she wished to be part of or enter in the future. If that’s a low partner count, if that’s waiting until marriage, if that’s a high partner count, whatever it is, as long as it works.

    Her chastity and inexperience did not work in this scenario.

    Which is fine. We learn through experience. She just started learning a little later than most. I’m sure that means that other areas of her life were much more focused on, are much stronger than average.

    Regarding home-schooled kids, yes, I know that some programs keep them socialized with other home-schooled kids, and do get them out in the world some so they aren’t quite so behind. I don’t think that’s enough, personally. You keep a bunch of kids together that are not “properly” socialized, they’re going to continue to stay in their own social level.

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  242. Elle you sounded much more mature in your second post than in the first. Not sure if I’m reading into it too much. But the second post gives me more hope for your future relationships. 🙂

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  243. @Ellie

    And for what its worth I totally second Clio’s suggestion to read here. It’s been very enlightening for me. I arrived ticked and have not only calmed down but have begun to understand things better from a man’s perspective. Useful as you move forward in your life.

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  244. Ellie –

    “I just wanted to say that a website like this that teaches guys how to use women might seem really cool and exciting to guys who are having trouble with girls, but you should remember that when you do these things and play girls or use them, you are actually hurting a living, feeling human being. You are preying on someone’s weaknesses and vulnerabilities for your own selfish pleasure.”

    Stop.

    You know what they say about assumptions, right?

    You’re failing to see both sides of the coin. Take the suggestions mentioned above and read through this site. Keep an open mind, you will gain some much needed perspective.

    Continue to educate yourself, there are things you’ve already admitted to doing that are the reason so many guys flock to places like this.

    Good luck.

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  245. Ellie, you are not the victim of Game, you have not been played. You are a victim of abuse.

    This guy has attacked you psychologically, accusing you of cheating. This is not a “neg”, a playing it cool, an alpha tactic. Accusations of cheating, made deliberately in the absence of any evidence, is the kind of mind game abusers are notorious for doing. Abusers, not alphas.

    This guy is bad news. It’s worse than a guy using you for sex. He’s using you for emotional pain. He’s setting you up for a world of hurt, and that’s because he likes hurting you.

    Get away from him. Don’t communicate with him again. He’s trouble. And not “bad boy” trouble. Just plain trouble.

    Look after yourself, Ellie. You are very vulnerable, and you’re exactly the kind of naive insecure young woman a sadistic controlling abuser loves to get his claws into.

    Look after yourself. Flee.

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  246. on September 3, 2009 at 9:47 pm Comment_Whatever

    ellie wrote:

    before i tell you the story, i just want to say that i am 24, very pretty (i get approached by guys everywhere i go and i get asked out on dates all the time), and i am usually extremely careful with guys. i never do more than kiss them and i have never had a boyfriend before.
    anyway, here is the question.

    There really isn’t anyway to determine what is going on with ellie until we at least know how she got to 24 without having a boyfriend?

    No sex is more understandable…. but never had a boyfriend at 24?

    Why exactly?

    Ellie, did you go to college? All-girls or something?

    Ellie, are you a late-bloomer? Ugly-duckling to swan?

    Naturally very shy?

    How many dates have you go out on, consecutively, with the same guy? Maybe you just don’t call them ‘boyfriends’ for some reason.

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  247. on September 3, 2009 at 9:51 pm Comment_Whatever

    PatrickH has a point:

    Ellie, you are not the victim of Game, you have not been played. You are a victim of abuse.

    This guy has attacked you psychologically, accusing you of cheating. This is not a “neg”, a playing it cool, an alpha tactic. Accusations of cheating, made deliberately in the absence of any evidence, is the kind of mind game abusers are notorious for doing. Abusers, not alphas.

    This guy is bad news. It’s worse than a guy using you for sex. He’s using you for emotional pain. He’s setting you up for a world of hurt, and that’s because he likes hurting you.

    Get away from him. Don’t communicate with him again. He’s trouble. And not “bad boy” trouble. Just plain trouble.

    Look after yourself, Ellie. You are very vulnerable, and you’re exactly the kind of naive insecure young woman a sadistic controlling abuser loves to get his claws into.

    Look after yourself. Flee.

    That certainly seems possible.

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  248. Remember: once is an honest mistake, twice is a pattern…and a short ride to becoming the “skanky trash” you fear so much.

    You can either wait for a beta to appear and end up in a miserable marriage, or you can go play skank and die knowing that you experienced true orgasmic bliss at the hands of an alpha male.

    i just want to say that i am 24, very pretty (i get approached by guys everywhere i go and i get asked out on dates all the time)

    Being asked out by a bunch of beta males doesn’t mean that you’re pretty.

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  249. David, you’re a bore. A mean bore now, as opposed to a merely repetitive one. And you give lousy advice, too.

    Beta males care as much about a woman’s appearance as alpha males do. Isn’t that part of the message of this blog?

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  250. David, you’re a bore. A mean bore now, as opposed to a merely repetitive one. And you give lousy advice, too.

    And you’re a sexless Canadian shrew incapable of securing an alpha male, so I fail to see your point.

    Beta males care as much about a woman’s appearance as alpha males do. Isn’t that part of the message of this blog?

    Beta males are pissant losers who’ll bang anything that moves and call it hot. Their opinion doesn’t count for much. A bunch of men asking a girl out doesn’t mean she’s pretty per se. It just means that she’s tolerable enough to be magnet for beta males thinking they have a chance.

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  251. @ ellie –

    I’m still disturbed by your comments. I think there’s a lot about your psychology that you’re hiding from yourself, and until you realize that it’s going to be hard to avoid similar mistakes.

    “I saw some comments saying I am attracted to jerks…but now that I am older, guys who act too arrogant don’t appeal to me.”

    Really? So this guy isn’t a jerk?

    “The first time, I kept telling him no and he just kept going even when i tried to push him off, and I asked him to stop a few times, and he would stop for a minute but then start again. He is much bigger than me and I couldn’t really push him that hard.”

    That sounds pretty close to rape if you’re telling the truth, and yet you still went back for seconds? WHY? Don’t justify it to us, ask yourself that question.

    “Some people were saying that I really was attracted to him and wanted to sleep with him, and am just lying to myself. That’s not true.”

    Oh really? You didn’t want to sleep with him and you weren’t attracted to him, yet you agreed to be his girlfriend on the first night and you responded at least TWICE to his booty calls. How many more red flags did you need?

    “I think I am going to stop talking to him.”

    This is the first sensible comment you’ve made. I only wish I believed it 100%. There’s naive/innocent, and then there’s willfully obtuse. You can only rely on the former excuse for so long before it becomes the latter. Getting played is sad, but playing yourself is pathetic. Be smart.

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  252. And you’re a sexless Canadian shrew incapable of securing an alpha male, so I fail to see your point.

    What makes you think I haven’t done so? FWIW, I’m engaged to one. And why do you think I’m sexless – or are you saying that you don’t find me sexually appealing? The two mean different things, you know.

    As for being shrewish, I’m not, unless provoked. In this case, I thought you were being pointlessly nasty to a commenter who had certainly said nothing to offend you. That, incidentally was my “point” that you failed to see.

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  253. Poetry

    She hasn’t explored or experienced her sexuality the way others do within their age group. She’s under-developed.

    Ya, this is one argument I have against remaining chaste past the teen years. It is possible to be sexually under developed, and I wonder if people don’t sometimes also become sexually stunted. Perhaps sexuality develops mostly during developmental windows.

    I don’t think it’s healthy to be chaste as an adult. Not sexually healthy.

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  254. What makes you think I haven’t done so? FWIW, I’m engaged to one.

    From the one photo that appeared on your blog, and the general characteristics of your comments, you don’t come across as an alpha male’s target female. Your posts and comments seem to paint the picture of a quiet, religious, yet pretty intellectual who’d prefer the company of scholars. In other words, a sexless woman with little sexual appeal and noticeable desire for sex, but still in the chase for a alpha male, one who is preferably fond of similar intellectual tastes.

    I thought you were being pointlessly nasty to a commenter who had certainly said nothing to offend you.

    I didn’t think I was being mean, but merely realistic. It’s silly in this day and age given what we know of female desire and attraction to let her squander her youth and sexuality on beta males when she can experience the pleasures of the flesh that women of previous generations could never experience. Consequences be damned, she should go chase alpha males and get the high that no other male can provide. It allows her to be happy, and it lets some beta male experience true happiness by freeing him from the responsibilities of a wife and children, and giving him the enjoyable life he deserves.

    [editor: the most important (by far) attribute a discriminating alpha male looks for in a woman is a pretty face. your warped protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, sex appeal comes in a distant second to facial beauty for most men with options. an ugly woman with sex appeal (however strained the definition) is still an ugly woman.]

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  255. I don’t think our DA dislikes pretty faces.

    [editor: you didn’t see the lantern-jawed trannies he linked to early in this blog’s comment section when asked to present evidence of the kind of women he finds attractive (i.e. wacks off to). let’s just say his taste in women falls *well* outside the male mainstream.]

    I think he just needs his sex appeal underlined in the crudest and brightest colours. Red or pink lipstick, collagened lips, big breasts prominently displayed in clothes or out of them, etc.

    That’s the danger (or one of them) of allowing your tastes to be shaped by pornography at an impressionable age. It can be difficult to shake off the effects of imprinting.

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  256. That’s the danger (or one of them) of allowing your tastes to be shaped by pornography at an impressionable age.

    I see nothing wrong with that. I can think of far worse addictions, and in the long-run, a porn addiction can save a man from dealing with women in a sexual manner. It’s far better for more beta and sub-human males to desexualize the women that are not attracted to them.

    I think he just needs his sex appeal underlined in the crudest and brightest colours.

    Yes, I need my sexually displayed in a raw and crude manner for it to count. If you’re not displaying it that fashion, then you don’t want sex as far as I’m concerned.

    let’s just say his taste in women falls *well* outside the male mainstream.

    Those women are far better looking than any girl you’ve ever touched…

    [editor: war is peace, freedom is slavery, omega is alpha…]

    an ugly woman with sex appeal (however strained the definition) is still an ugly woman.

    Of course, but if you’re a 6 or a 7, it’s far better to go ride alpha cock than to play with beta males.

    [another patented DA non-sequitur. you ever get tired of this troll act? time to expand your oeuvre.]

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  257. [editor: war is peace, freedom is slavery, omega is alpha…]

    You’re entitled to your taste in women, but based from what I see, my porn stars are far hotter than the hipster girls in Manhattan or the mallrats in the ‘burbs.

    [editor: we’ve already established your freak taste in women falls well outside the male norm, so whatever opinion you have to offer about women’s looks is nigh irrelevant to these discussions.]

    [another patented DA non-sequitur. you ever get tired of this troll act? time to expand your oeuvre.]

    It’s the ultimate conclusion. Let the juices flow and run through the streets and leave the beta males to their hobbies and computers.

    [serious question: what would you do if tomorrow the government banned all pornography?]

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  258. we’ve already established your freak taste in women falls well outside the male norm

    I still fail to see how other men can find “normal” women attractive. They don’t look or act sexual, but then you seem to like the “chase” and flirting…

    [editor: most men like a little bit of chase. it gives the pussy more value.]

    [serious question: what would you do if tomorrow the government banned all pornography?]

    Amass as much pornography as possible, back up existing porn, secure encrypted connections to overseas servers, find smugglers & bootleggers, and increase savings rates to pay for overseas trips to use porn. In turn, I’d perform letter writing campaigns to members of congress expressing my views on the subject.

    [clarification: let’s stipulate the government sends in jack booted thugs to wipe your uberterabyte hard drive clean. you now have no recourse to porn whatsoever. so… what do you do?]

    The use of regular women for sexual purposes will not be tolerated. I’d rather break the law than fuck real world average women.

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  259. [editor: most men like a little bit of chase. it gives the pussy more value.]

    Chasing is a waste of time that could be devoted to other things. Either say “fuck me” and give me sex, or go away.

    let’s stipulate the government sends in jack booted thugs to wipe your uberterabyte hard drive clean.

    Then I’d travel to lands where pornography is legal. There is no way I’m going to deal with women for sex. That’s just so antiquated.

    [editor: let’s further stipulate that the UN bans all pornography. an international treaty is signed to rid the earth of porn and tomorrow you wake up to discover there is no porn anywhere on earth. there isn’t even a black market in porn because saudi executioners have been hired by hallikgbsamuraiburton to behead anyone in possession of porn. you do not have a spaceship to travel to distant planets where porn sprouts from the soil like weeds. you simply DO NOT HAVE ACCESS to any naked pics or vids of your favorite man-jawed lady lovelies. so, i ask again… what do you do?]

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  260. so, i ask again… what do you do?

    At that point, I’m left to masturbate to the sweet memories of my pornography.

    [editor: memories fade. then what?]

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  261. [editor: memories fade. then what?]

    Then I am left to consume high quantities of alcohol.

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  262. Roissy: I sent an email to Richard Spencer, the editor of Takimag, discussing your website. He seemed to like it a lot and wants you to call him. The contact info is in an forwarded email with your pseudonym as the subject.

    Takimag is one of the more interesting right-wing rags out there. It publishes writers whose names most editors would be deathly afraid of even thinking about, such as Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor.

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  263. The “Not gonna happen” is a shit test. Say “I understand”, go back to kissing her, and physically escalate again a few minutes later as if she never said anything. You are not going to convince her of anything with words, so do not even try. Focus on actions.

    There is no reason to limit yourself to gaming late at night. Women are everywhere. If you need help with this, there are workshops that focus solely on day game. Professionals in the City offers a day game workshop on September 12 (http://www.prosinthecity.com/index.cfm?action=events#Event8383). Other groups offer day game workshops, too.

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  264. On the Lesbian issue…

    I’ve noticed an uptick in this kind of activity in the Black community-nothing approaching epidemic levels, but noticeable just the same.

    Most of the Women involved seemed quite Butch-in other words, I and most Men walking around wouldn’t fuck them w/their pet dog’s dick. That has to be a factor in at least one sense as to why we’re seeing more of this in our time.

    Of course another is due to the lessening of taboos surrounding the Gay/Lesbian lifestyle overall, so again, that plays a role.

    But I suspect that in the Black community at least, and I suspect this is likely to be more an issue in the White community in the near future if not already, the “Occam’s Razor” reason(s) as to why there’s a noticeable uptick in Lesbianism is due to fewer Black males to go around, due to a host of factors-early death and incarceration are two, but then we also have to factor in high rates of homelessness, drug/alcohol abuse, and finally, a very small (and shrinking) pool of “eligible” Black Men to go around-which basically leaves Black Women with several not so pretty options, in the main:

    1. Signup to be part of a Brotha’s De Facto Harem

    2. Go the Lesbian Route

    Or

    3. Go it Alone.

    Of course, lots of Black Women can and do get transient relationships w/Black Men, ranging anywhere from a few days to a few years, but what we’re talking about here are LTRs in the main, extended beyoned several years. Because of the way things have broken for Black Women generally, there is a noticeable lack of Black Men period, even moreso when it comes to what would be considered “successful” Black Men-so the pressures here are quite acute.

    I’ve personally notcied that the Black Butches, if I can call them that, act very masculine, down to the haircuts, Timberland boots, and saggy pants, compete w/male boxer shorts underneath. Meanwhile, their girlfriends are the epitome of Femininity-really girly girl in appearance and expression. One thing I’ve also noticed is that lots of these butches are extremely nervous, I’d say almost paranoid, about a straight Brotha stepping to “his” “Woman”. Though I’ve never seen any butch worth the name actually go toe to toe with a Brotha. Something tells me they know the depths there.

    At any rate, what’s interesting to me to observe in all of this is how so many of these Sistas soon discover, that their relationship woes are hardly over just because they swapped out a dick for a pussy-and in some ways, their problems have worsened. Recent studies on Intimate Partner Violence has shown that lesbian couples are far and away more likely to fight than do straight ones, even when taking cohabitation into account. And as we’re beginning to see more lesbian couples having kids, similar child custody battles are beginning to ensue, with the “Social Mom”-the Woman who doesn’t actually carry and then birth the child-being treated like the traditional dad in the situation. For more and both these points, please see the Glenn Sacks website.

    Personally, while I’ve always maintained that roughly 75% of the female population is potentially bisexual at any given time, a much smaller percentage of that same population is hardcore lesbo-maybe, if that, 5%. Most of the Women outside that may go there depending on the circumstances, which, given the New Grrl Order, means that lots of Women are doing this out of desperation and frustration. They soon discover, that aside from the one off sexual fling going Bi can bring, its hardly the relationship paradise or reprieve, they made it out to be.

    Obsidian Maxim #11: In the New Grrl Order, the biggest losers will NOT be Men-it will be WOMEN.

    You heard it here.

    O

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  265. As for Roissy and whether he should or shouldn’t “go pro”, I’ll say this:

    I personally think he should. Not only does he clearly have the talent for it but he would be doing the Lord’s Work (talk about an irony, heh heh) in assisting guys in the one big area of their life that actually means something. As he rightly notes on the Safeway Siren thread, nothing puts more spring in a Man’s step than a beautiful Woman in his life. And trust me, at the end of this life NOBODY’S thinking about their great job, house, car(s), or vacations. Most kids kick their parents to the curb when they old and feeble, and we all know the deal about at least some wives. No, when at the end of your life and about to fade to black, your final thoughts will be on the great loves of your life, and rightly so. Those are the thoughts that matter most. And to not have such thoughts as you head to the Great Beyond is I think, one of Life’s biggest tragedies.

    I like Roissy’s idea of doing more one on one counseling loosely based on Mystery’s model and method, with Roissy’s own spin on it of course. I think he might want to consider getting a small group of students as well, say three or so. He can more easily teach what’s important, and they’ll have more individualized attention.

    And Roissy might want to consider keeping it on a “when the spirit moves me” basis. When he feels like teaching he does it, and when he doesn’t, he doesn’t. The end. The last thing this should be is just another job.

    Lastly, I respectfully disagree about the idea of “market saturation” wrt Game. Those of us in the life know that the VAST majority of Men out there have little to no knowledge whatsoever of Game, and observation has shown that they are willing to pay through the nose to get some. Roissy could, if he were so inclined, make a serious killing right where he is in the DC area, without even breaking a sweat.

    So, I say to Roissy, for what it’s worth, go for it. Why not?

    The Obsidian

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  266. I actually can speak on the subject of a female picking up straight girls. The great thing about it T, is that you are working in a niche so small, you have novelty on your side. And like I’ve said before, you have an instant advantage because most of the defences straight women have concocted remain untriggered simply because you are not a man. Roissy is correct that what attracts a girl is the same regardless of what gender their suitor is. But, he is incorrect on the role that looks play. For the record I am straight, not even bi. My experience with women started about 5 years ago when a married aquantance of mine frankly told me she wanted to have sex with me. I just went with it, because I didn’t see why not…then this happened several times with several other women over the next year. At the time I had just cut off all my hair and weighed upwards of 250. They thought I was a lesbian apparently. That plus my natural charm? plus my seeming (actually actual) indifference? I guess that’s what did it. These were pretty girls too, usually in relationships with men and going through some kind of personal unhappiness but not sure how to fix it. Later I started to push the boundaries and actually test to see if I could make a girl of my choice pursue me. It was easy. I conveyed chipper cheerfulness and general pleasant disposition, then after a while I’d establish touch. I mean basically it’s not that hard as long as you keep it light. With straight women it is that much more important to have them pursuing you and not the other way around because you want them commited to the act. Otherwise you could end up in a situation where they’ll let you do stuff to them but won’t reciprocate on you.

    Now my hair is grown out and I weigh a lot less, and I don’t get pursued the way I used to. But I think it’s the hair cut that did it; don’t gain 50 pounds to attract girls but it isn’t a deal breaker apparently.

    Okay now lesbian reader, I’ve hung out with the lesbian community and it seems to me they’re pretty insular. If you want to have better chances with straight women you have to go to their territory. You have to hang out in straight social circles to meet them. I can’t speak for all straight girls but having gone on dates with lesbian women, it was lesbian overload when they’d take me out with their friends. So NO roller derby on the first date, and no lesbo bars until AFTER you’ve actually had sex, if ever. In fact, do not try to date a straight girl into sleeping with you. Hang out with them, go to the straight bars with them, but never ever act like it’s a date where you’re the man. Hope this helps.

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  267. Ok, I’m sorry to keep writing but I just wanted to answer a few more of the comments that I saw and give you an update. Anyway, I met another guy who actually treats me really well (so far) without being a pushover, so it is making it easier to move on and see that there are better things out there. BUT… I still haven’t told this guy I can’t see him anymore. I am afraid to meet up with him and tell him, because he completely overpowers me and I am afraid I won’t be able to tell him or that he will talk me out of it. So I have to figure out what to do. I know if I just call him or message him and say it, he will probably keep calling until I speak to him and he will break me down and change my mind. Do you guys have any advice?

    Ok, regarding one guy’s comments that I saw, my looks are not an issue. I am not a conceited person, but since it’s a website and you guys have no idea what I look like, I can promise I am an attractive girl. I have had modeling scouts approach me a few times in my life, and beyond that, I think most girls know by this age where they stand in terms of their looks based on the way men react to them.

    As to why I never had a boyfriend, that is a complicated answer. I was very shy and had very strict parents when I was younger, and since I lived at home until recently, dating was not really an option for me. When I moved out, it took me a while to get over that before I would even consider dating, and then once I did, I have remained pretty conservative. I would not say I am very religious although my parents are, but I guess it’s hard to shake off things that you were raised with. Also, part of having that kind of family is that I never learned how to say no to people, and I have always been kind of a pushover when someone has a very strong, demanding personality.

    So anyway, let me know if you have advice about how I can end this without letting him manipulate me anymore…

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  268. Ellie why don’t you just not ever call the guy or speak to him again. If he emails delete it without reading it. If he leaves a voicemail delete it without listening to it. If you know he can break you down then just don’t go there. Plus one more piece of advice which I’m sorry I have to say is true: If a nice girl finds herself unhappy in a relationship, it is probably because she is not saying “no” enough.

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  269. I’d see the 18yo scenario as “slow down”, not “go home”. Make out a bit, see what happens. Skankdom will out.

    On the other hand, if it’s still a bust (in the non-good way), you can turn a world-weary eye on her games and gain the moral advantage, such as it is. Be gracious about it and her failure to qualify will sting her all the worse.

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  270. The best way to learn a new language is, by tradition, in bed. Excepting japanese, I guess. If you’re with a japanese girl, whatever you do, don’t listen to how she says what she says.

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  271. And there we finally have it: some girl game in the comments. Players for the defense, right?

    Am I really four hours after everyone else? Damn.

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  272. About the primitive woman article. A man having immunity to a certain disease isn’t the only way to ensure “survival of the fittest.”

    We should care more about the quality (IQ level for instance) of the offspring. This way someone can just cure whatever ails humankind.

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  273. Tupac:

    As I said “I consider myself straight.” Both (only 2) women I was attracted to were very butch, manly women. Clio would not come close. Just sayin… 🙂

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  274. @ Sofia

    Re: How to tell a guy you’re on your period

    — What other people said, tell him you have your period (but no need to make it a challenge, like “I’m on my period, are you a MAN or aren’t you?”), and see what he says.

    In my experience, guys don’t care so much, as long as the girl isn’t supremely uncomfortable.

    Re: Sexing/Eating out (on your period)

    — My boyfriend would like to say that real men don’t give a f*ck (see, there he is, questioning all ya’ll’s masculinity) about blood. Then again, I think blood turns him on.

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  275. […] of not doing so would be bad. And this is precisely what was expected of George Sodini, and of men whose dates get undressed and rub their dicks and then say no at the last minute. Why is this considered such an unreasonable […]

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  276. […] of not doing so would be bad. And this is precisely what was expected of George Sodini, and of men whose dates get undressed and rub their dicks and then say no at the last minute. Why is this considered such an unreasonable demand? But it is. […]

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