The Love Test: A Routine

A while back on this blog I mentioned in passing that I had a comfort building routine I use which isn’t, as far as I’m aware, especially well-known in the seduction community. The routine was given to me by a friend. Its effectiveness is without doubt; of all the women I’ve charmed with the love test, my bang rate is 90%. For a long while it was my go-to comfort stage routine; I was on auto-pilot when I used it.

Since I’m feeling generous I will share it with everyone here. Virginal routines that haven’t yet gone mainstream are worth their words in gold, so get on your knees and kiss my triskelion ring for this gift I give you. All I ask is that you don’t use the routine on girls if you happen to be in St Louis, Soweto, Prague, Warsaw, Toronto, or the Australian outback. It’s bad form to cross the streams.

As with all psychological routines designed to elecit an emotionally bonding reaction in a girl and to demonstrate your perspicacity, the way to segue into the love test without sounding a false note is to say “I can tell you something about yourself with a simple game”. Most girls, as long as you have built attraction with them, will bite at this delicious bait.

If you are a girl reading this post who remains unviolated by my tremendous manhood, you may want to give yourself this test before reading the answers. Just read the italicized parts and cover up the answers underneath with your hand.

The Love Test

You will ask the girl a series of six questions within a story in which she is presented with two choices as an answer for each question. She must choose one or the other, and she has to go with her gut. Remind her to answer quickly and to avoid lingering over a choice. At the end of the test, you will tell her what her answers reveal about herself.

“You have a lover, a man who is everything to you. He lives apart from you, but within walking distance. One day you decide to visit him. You have two paths you can take to get to his home. One is a short but boring path that will get you there quickly. The other is a long but scenic path with many beautiful sites that will take longer. Which do you take?”

If she answers “short”, this means she falls in love quickly. She is passionate and impulsive.
If she answers “long”, this means she takes a while to fall in love. She is circumspect and enjoys the buildup to falling in love.

“Along the path you come across rose bushes. The roses come in two colors — red and white. You decide you want to pick some roses for your lover. You are allowed to pick twenty roses of any combination of red or white. How many red and how many white roses do you pick?”

Red roses symbolize selflessness. A woman who picks more red than white roses is a giver in a relationship.
White roses symbolize selfishness. A woman who picks more white than red roses is a taker in a relationship.
[Editor’s note: You’d probably not be surprised how many women pick more white than red roses. This part of the test is a great screening mechanism for LTR material.]

“You arrive at your lover’s home and knock on the door. A family member opens the door. Do you ask to be let in so you can go to his room to see him, or do you ask the family member to bring him to the door?”

If she answers “ask to be let in”, she does not let arguments simmer in a relationship. She prefers having it out.
If she answers “bring him to the door”, she lets arguments slide and buries her anger. She avoids conflict and drama.

“You go up to his bedroom and he is not there. You want to leave the roses in his room. Do you leave them on his windowsill or on his bed?”

If she answers “windowsill”, she prefers more casual relationships where she doesn’t feel a need to see her lover very often.
If she answers “bed”, she prefers intense relationships where she sees her lover a lot.
[Editor’s note: Windowsill girls are cheap dates.]

“Your lover returns and you two spend the night together making sweet sweet sex. You both fall asleep and in the morning you wake up first. You lean over to his side of the bed to see if he is awake. Is he awake or still sleeping?”

If she answers “awake”, she is the type of girl who will try to change her man into her image of the perfect boyfriend.
If she answers “asleep”, she loves her man just the way he is, flaws and all.

“It’s the end of the day and time for you to say goodbye to your lover and go home. As before, you are presented with two paths to get home — a long but scenic path and a short but boring path. Which path do you take?”

If she answers “long”, she takes a long time to fall out of love. Breakups are hard on her. She is given to nostalgia and reminiscence. She is a natural romantic.
If she answers “short”, she falls out of love quickly. Breakups are short, sharp affairs that she gets over in no time and with little handwringing. She is a natural slut.

***

I remember this one particularly aggro lawyerchick I ran the love test on. These were her answers:

  1. long
  2. all white
  3. asked to be let in
  4. windowsill
  5. awake
  6. short

I enjoyed making her wince with pain during anal sex.





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  1. Interesting routine.

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  2. Nice RPG. You should turn this into an iPhone app.

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  3. on June 2, 2009 at 11:52 am House of York

    On what basis do you conclude that white roses represent selfishness? I could easily make the opposite conclusion.

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  4. On what basis do you conclude that white roses represent selfishness?

    the test was designed by professional psychologists as a means of drawing out a patient’s value system. i don’t know how they arrived at the conclusion that white roses symbolize selfishness, but in my experience running the test it has proven a decent indicator of a woman’s general character.

    like a lot of these pop psych tests of symbolic meaning that one uses as a game technique, the pinpoint accuracy is less important than the feelings evoked in the woman. and most women i’ve run it on have commented that the test was pretty close to describing their personality.

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  5. What if she gives a bad answer? It seems like pointing it out would kill the mood.

    “All white roses left on the windowsill, eh? That’s pretty selfish, you cheap date. Now come here and kiss me!”

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  6. short, all red, ask in, bed, sleep, long… and I didn’t cheat.

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  7. What if she gives a bad answer?

    you have two options. either massage your answer (“windowsill? you are an independent woman who doesn’t define herself by her man”) or give it to her raw. a lot of girls like negative answers because they assume it is a challenge to their femininity and they will qualify themselves to you (“i’m not selfish!”).

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  8. I have some golden pop psychology routines in this vein related to me by credulous female friends; however they have never worked for me when I occasionally unleash them — I don’t think I can sell them (since they are obvious BS). I think bad actors like me are better off with a few standard themes (warm childhood memories, travel fantasies, talking about an “ideal” Sunday, etc. to infinity) and appearing genuinely interested in the responses (this also must sometimes be faked, but is easier to do so). Generally, however, comfort takes a back seat to compliance for us one night stand specialists.

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  9. Roissy,

    Should we tell them what their answer means after they answer each question, or at the end? Also, how soon after you run it should you start making movements to get back to her place?

    Thanks,
    RJS

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  10. One more thing . . . how many games like this should you run a night? I have Cube, the Palm, this, and one or two others I’ve read.

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  11. Should we tell them what their answer means after they answer each question, or at the end?

    at the end.

    Also, how soon after you run it should you start making movements to get back to her place?

    soon. this is a transition routine between the comfort and seduction phases. run it when you have isolated her on a couch away from the crowds.

    One more thing . . . how many games like this should you run a night?

    one. two max if you spread them out over many hours. i’ve found that girls will call me out if i run more than one test like this in a night. she will usually say something like “how many of these psychological games do you know?” you want to avoid sounding scripted.

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  12. RJS: You should run only one rountine like this a night.

    Roissy: This really looks great, it helps to screen out for LTR material type of girls, and also women love these kind of pop tests regardless if whether they contain any truth or not. (If they are then its more power to you.)

    Instead of using the cube I’ll be field testing this. I may modify some things.

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  13. Cold reads rock. They _are_ like crack for women. I’ve had ADD club girls tell their friends to fuck off cause they want to hear the rest of the ring finger routine.

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  14. Hmm..I’d say this is pretty accurate actually, at least it was for me. I love personality quiz things like this. The rose thing is interesting…I think white roses by themselves are usually pretty unattractive, which is why I said mostly red with some white.

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  15. Pupu feels terribly insecure after taking the test, which is probably why the test works so well on most women.

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  16. The answers are designed to make a woman want to prove they are either right or wrong. How to prove it? One has to get her feet wet first!

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  17. Did you find this love test in Cosmo by any chance?

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  18. Pupu…you are too funny…. /:-)

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  19. cue the haters in 3…2…1…

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  20. I covered up the answers just as told. I think it’s a fairly accurate test.

    Short
    Half white/half red – so I’m balanced gotta like that
    Wait at door
    Bed
    Sleep
    Long

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  21. on June 2, 2009 at 1:09 pm ironrailsironweights

    “Do you have a GNP?”

    If she says no, dump her.

    Peter

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  22. on June 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm aspiringalpha

    Roissy, you’ve got the midas touch. Links to the cube/other games?

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  23. Roissy,

    Interesting test.

    Questions for you:

    How do you close this (ie what do you tell her answers mean, and how do you swoop off of it)?

    Or is this strictly for intel and bonding?

    – MPM

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  24. I would say that if you’re reluctant to unleash the honesty with respect to the “white roses”/”awake” answers, you define the woman in relation to her partner.

    So, for “white roses,” you wouldn’t talk about her so much as the kind of guy she attracts. “The white roses symbolize the nature of your relationship. Past boyfriends have gone out of their way to demonstrate their devotion to you, blah blah.” So that it sounds as though she’s not consciously taking but is just giving less.

    Similarly, for “awake,” cast it as she grows with her boyfriend in the relationship. Not she is never satisfied and forces her boyfriend to change to suit her ideal.

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  25. SO much fun! Inciting all those romantic feelings, as well as material for negging. I wonder if Doug guessed my answers?

    x

    x

    x

    1. short
    2. red
    3. door (really?!)
    4. bed (er, blush)
    5. asleep
    6. long

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  26. Sara: Re: cosmo. roissy does his research where he must. Oh, the sacrifice and depths one must descend in the pursuit of poon, yea.

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  27. Sara I – “Did you find this love test in Cosmo by any chance?”

    It does have that vibe to it, doesn’t it? 😉

    The specific test (and especially the answers) are irrelevant. Stuff like this works not because of some deep science, but because it’s a clever way to sneak semi-romantic topics into the conversation.

    So whether it came from the most brilliant psychologists in the world, or from Cosmo, or from straight out of Roissy’s ass, it’s still a tried and true technique and gets the Riff Dog Seal of Approval. Just don’t take it too seriously.

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  28. You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill.

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  29. what about when she calls you to complain about something wrong you have done, you let her talk, giving just monosyllabic answers, take your car, drive to her home, and cut her BS by saying “get outside” and turning the phone off?

    In my experience, if it is done by the first time, it can make her forget even serious stuff, like doesn’t answering her calls from friday until sunday morning.

    it is kind of a classic. wake up stoned on sunday, cold shower plus 2 or 3 litres of water, call GF with car keys in my hand, half an hour later you are at her home to take her to lunch. it doesn’t work as well the second time you try it.

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  30. and where people get the little-girlish idea that you can casually “pick” roses like you’d pick a pansy is beyond me.

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  31. omw: you wouldn’t say that to someone who actually gave you the test on a date, would you?!

    You: ‘You can’t pick roses.’
    Him: …let’s try again.
    You: ‘You can’t put that many on a windowsill.’
    Him: Another one bites the dust.

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  32. What’s up with this anal stuff ? It hurts the girl, it’s not
    heterosexual, it’s disease-prone for both. Why do it ?

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  33. @Riff Dog

    You know chicks (that I know) and yes that stuff works because its fun.

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  34. on June 2, 2009 at 1:56 pm Default The Romantic

    omw

    You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill.

    and where people get the little-girlish idea that you can casually “pick” roses like you’d pick a pansy is beyond me
    </blockquote.

    omw, last of the romantics.

    Let me guess you answered:
    Take the car
    Plastic, yellow
    I'll call back later
    In a vase, of course.
    Asleep, but I wake him so he will not be late for work.
    I came by car, so that is how I will leave. What idiot made up these questions?

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  35. on June 2, 2009 at 1:58 pm Default User

    [repost because WordPress appeared to eat the original]
    omw

    You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill.

    and where people get the little-girlish idea that you can casually “pick” roses like you’d pick a pansy is beyond me

    omw, last of the romantics.

    Let me guess you answered:
    Take the car
    Plastic, yellow
    I’ll call back later
    In a vase, of course.
    Asleep, but I wake him so he will not be late for work.
    I came by car, so that is how I will leave. What idiot made up these questions?

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  36. this is great: i’m going to run it on lilgirl, but will substitute “red roses” with “poppies” and “windowsill” with “feng shui beanbag chair”

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  37. Depends… if he was the funny sort who seemed like he could cope, I might.

    Emotionally touchy dudes are no fun though; so smile and play along. 🙂

    The funny one would make fun of me for being a weirdo, not get irritated about his script wandering a little off-track.

    😉

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  38. yellow plastic! aw, Default, even I have a tenderer soul than that.

    “There’s a yellow rose in Texas, that I am going to see,
    Nobody else could miss her, not half so much as me.
    She cried so when I left her, it like to’ve broke my heart,
    And if I ever find her, we never more will part.”

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  39. how can you hate red roses? they’re classic.

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  40. Raine has gone from vituperous feminazi to cooing roissy receptacle in like 45 minutes.

    Game works

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  41. on June 2, 2009 at 2:16 pm Marcus Aureliette

    but will substitute “red roses” with “poppies”

    I don’t know…I’d choose white roses simply because red roses are so overwhelmingly representative of over-the-top, heavily-processed Romance of the Hallmark variety. Maybe a flower that’s less loaded with faux-romantic baggage would yield a more reliable result….

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  42. kim

    I love personality quiz things like this.

    Probably that means you’re a girl.

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  43. omw: I’m sure he would come out with a funny line, which is why it wasn’t in quotes. But if it’s roissy we know what he’s thinking. Which is kind of frightening, actually.

    LR: Oh, dear God, what would you say?!

    LR:’I hate them both!’
    Him: *laughs*
    LR: ‘No, really.’
    Him: ‘You’re serious? *smile* A rare woman!’
    LR looks away.
    Him: ‘BARTENDEER!’

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  44. on June 2, 2009 at 2:19 pm Default User

    omw
    So long as it was not a black rose
    [no racial subtext intended]

    http://www.shabbir.com/romance/rosemean.html

    But you did save the moment with this:

    “There’s a yellow rose in Texas, that I am going to see,

    You forgot to add some ❤ but that is OK.

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  45. aw, Bhetti, but scaring Roissy off could hardly be considered a bad thing. lol.

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  46. on June 2, 2009 at 2:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    LR,
    I have encountered those type of fussy responses when I first started running comfort routines. Generally, I reflected that I had not created enough ‘value’ to elicit respectful compliance. Comfort-building routines are not useful if you use them too early. I’ll pull out “cube game” too soon sometimes when I’m drunk, but when I’m running tight game, I’d wait at least a half an hour as a rule of thumb.

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  47. on June 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Beta guy:

    “What’s up with this anal stuff ? It hurts the girl, it’s not
    heterosexual, it’s disease-prone for both. Why do it ?”

    It’s about dominance. All relationships are about that on some level in life are about that.

    Since it is still somewhat taboo, seen as naughty and most men are too chicken to even ask, let alone try it, it sets the man apart and puts him in a postion of being bad, masculine and dominate.

    LR and Omw:

    Your responses indicate that you are never satisfied with anything in life. Nothing and no one is good enough. Over time you would suck the joy of living out of anyone around you.

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  48. A+ for you, doug 🙂

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  49. Does it work on guys?

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  50. If “respectful compliance” gets you pumped and dumped by some miserable pick-up artist, maybe it’s time to for some girls to take a hint that sweethearted compliance isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. 😀

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  51. on June 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm Seeking Alpha

    Re: anal… wouldn’t you get shit on your dick? Am I the only person that finds that unappealing? Especially when fucking in your own bed?

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  52. M.A.
    I will be obvious, I will be red,
    lest my love mistake my impure intent.
    But why a petal?
    Why a card?
    When what he wants for you is to get him…

    lard?
    a St Bernard?

    LR + omw: Only teasing. Much more fun to deviate from what is expected.

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  53. Captain Picard!

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  54. Bhetti–

    I wonder if Doug guessed my answers? ***

    1. short
    2. red
    3. door (really?!)
    4. bed (er, blush)
    5. asleep
    6. long

    I guessed every single one perfectly. That’s the truth.

    (I started scanning comments of this one first since it was long. Saw kim, made a “witty” remark. Saw yours, read as far as the wondering what I’d guessed about your answers, averted my eyes, and read Roissy’s post, writing down my guesses for you.)

    I only paused at all on two: 3. door. I knew you’d actually choose door in RL, but wondered if you’d want to signal more heat / impetuosity buy chosing go in. Settled on door. 4. bed. I knew you’d choose bed but would have modesty conflicts, from your Muslim /Arab culture.

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  55. Doug1,

    Men hate this kinda stuff don’t they? Its funny what polar opposites the sexes really are. Women fall for astrology, palm reading, personality tests, ouija boards, tarot cards and all sorts of utter horseshit. Men detest it all and straight up ask questions wanting to elicit honest answers, but therein lies (pun only half ass intended) a dilemma……..women lie by nature and do so often and not only with their mouths.

    Post scriptum——as game routines like the cube, mfk, strawberry test become known, every time a guy pulls out a psych test even if only in jest or to get conversation rolling, he will be suspected of running game on one of the females present. The word, “neg”, has made it into the general lexicon of both sexes.

    Parting shot: I think the best way to get a young man interested in game is to ask him what he likes the most about the last gal he had a crush on, but didn’t act on it. His little dreamgirl from college or high school. Its always the same response: “she was so feminine and soft”. Then slam him with the ugly truth: She is looking for the exact opposite: masculine and hard.

    “Every girl wants a bad boy she can tame, and every guy wants a nice girl he can corrupt………………but will only be corrupt with him in his bedroom”. Best poon hound in the universe told me that almost 20 years ago.

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  56. ummm anal sex is not gay. “Gay” sort of has to involve another MAN.

    Technically, however, the diet and digestive processes of males and females should be the same, so the rectum between the two would be nearly identical in properties.

    Therefore, anal sex is equally filthy no matter what the gender of the recipient.

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  57. z, no one falls for ouija boards anymore. that’s so 10 years ago!

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  58. aoefe–

    So you only differed from my Bhetti on the half red / half roses one.

    Interesting, and also v. attractive. As well, I actually entertained for her the idea that she might go for some variety, though favoring red. 15/5. Then said, naaaah.

    You’re both polar, or nearly polar, opposites of that aggressive DC lawyer chick Roissy mentions.

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  59. Wow it was accurate.

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  60. on June 2, 2009 at 2:42 pm Cannon's Canon

    Perhaps I was not making myself clear, OMW. Compliance is integral in sales, just like pickup.

    “And be aggressive, learn how to push! Talk to ’em. Ask ’em questions… ask ’em rhetorical questions, it doesn’t matter, anything, just get a yes out of ’em. If you’re drowning and I throw you a life jacket would you grab it? Yes! Good. Pick up 200 shares I won’t let you down. Ask them how they’d like to see thirty, forty percent returns. What are they gonna say, no? Fuck you? I don’t wanna see those returns. Stop laughing, it’s not funny. If you can’t learn how to close, you better start thinkin about another career. And I am deadly serious about that. Dead fuckin serious. And have your rebuttals ready, guy says call me tommorrow? Bullshit!”

    Women are genetically risk-adverse relative to men, thus, harder to sell to. That’s why you have to establish ‘value’ and ‘attraction’ BEFORE you can run a comfort-building routine in pursuit of seduction.

    If a woman reacts impulsively negative to a timely comfort routine, she is actively depriving herself of value and attraction. Quite an expensive imperative, and completely unrealistic.

    If women demonstrated that much resolve to avoid “some miserable pick-up artist”, I would increase my negs and amp up the Asshole Game.

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  61. Doug: You guessed me down to my pauses, my God!

    *dead faint*

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  62. on June 2, 2009 at 2:45 pm Marcus Aureliette

    1. long
    2. white (because red roses are so heavily symbolic, to the point of being a cliche)
    3. ask to be let in (because sending someone to fetch him seems kind of…imperious)
    4. bed
    5. asleep
    6. long

    Doesn’t seem like enough to go on.

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  63. eh, Cannon, no need to get all assholish. Game Over for me, darling!

    I’m thinking about my kids here. Do I want my daughter respectfully, sweetly complying with some pickup artist’s desire to string her along with a half a dozen other girls he really cares nothing for?

    Nope.

    Do I want my sons to turn out like Roosh? Roissy? Nihilists living for nothing but interesting sensations in their pants?

    Dear God in heaven, no.

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  64. i used to use the rings routine but stopped when i encountered a chick who had heard it before. made me self-conscious. this one is good, i suppose- but i agree it would make sense after comfort.

    it is sort of startling how even the girls who show up here, knowing *in advance* it is a pickup routine, on a PUA blog no less, swiftly comply and post their answers. is it *really* that interesting to you?? i guess i don’t have to ask …

    also — “Soweto” ? wtf, Roissy? You going trolling for chicks in the slums of South Africa?

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  65. oops, that was me.

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  66. I haven’t read the routine yet, but thanks in advance, roissy.

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  67. on June 2, 2009 at 2:56 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Anonymous

    “Do I want my sons to turn out like Roosh? Roissy? Nihilists living for nothing but interesting sensations in their pants?

    Dear God in heaven, no.”

    Think carefully about you want there lives to be, because chances are there life is going to be about suffering and pain.

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  68. I could never use this where I live (Miami).

    Girls in my area have been using this test on each other since the seventh grade.

    For guys that live in different areas, however, I suggest you add two questions (that go after the first one):

    On the way, what animal do you encounter?
    How do you interact with that animal?

    The first one indicates the size and threatening nature of that person’s fears and problems.
    The second one tells how people handle those fears or problems.

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  69. on June 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm Marcus Aureliette

    it is sort of startling how even the girls who show up here, knowing *in advance* it is a pickup routine, on a PUA blog no less, swiftly comply and post their answers. is it *really* that interesting to you?? i guess i don’t have to ask …

    I don’t know that it’s fascinating, but it’s interesting enough to warrant playing along. Having answered in the spirit of trying to understand what this particular test is getting at, how does it harm anyone to post our answers?

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  70. uhh…guys like getting flowers?

    really?

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  71. meh, people have been promising (worldwide! purifying! inevitable!) suffering and pain since I was a little kid.

    And still, life goes on.

    Apocalyptic thinking gets some folks excited, means they can finally “prove” they’ve been right.

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  72. g-man:
    How do you close this (ie what do you tell her answers mean, and how do you swoop off of it)?

    Or is this strictly for intel and bonding?

    the latter. it’s a test designed to elicit an emotional state in a woman, and to demonstrate some value on your part. plus, it acts as a good springboard for further convo topics or red meat for teasing.

    omw:
    You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill.

    gentlemen, pay attention. omw’s answer (and single mom’s above) is the typical response of the emotionally parched, cynical man-hating bitterbitch. occasionally girls will respond to the love test in this hyperlogical fashion. consider it a shit test and parry accordingly. the way i handle their buzzkills is by going on the offensive, smirking all the way:
    “wow, don’t tell me you’re one of those types who can’t just relax and stop overthinking everything in life. listen, forget the logic. this isn’t a science fair. just go with your gut.”

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  73. on June 2, 2009 at 3:05 pm Lawyer from Hell

    LR

    “Just because I don’t like red or white roses doesn’t mean I don’t like anything at all and am never satisfied. I think roses are overpriced and lack creativity in general (like marcus mentioned how “hallmark” they are now)

    I like yellow and pink but I prefer other flowers very much to roses.”

    You just don’t get it.

    First even in your explanation, you use “I” repeatedly: “I don’t like,””I think.”

    The roses are there, by chance, to be picked for SOMEONE ELSE. The roses are NOT for you. Yet because YOU don’t like them, you turn your nose up at them as a gift for someone else.

    That is the inherent problem with your answer. Your major flaw. You cannot do something for someone else without thinking of yourself first. Nay, you will refuse to engage because of your own likes and dislikes.

    You are definitionaly MORE selfish than a woman that takes twenty white roses, because at least she takes something for someone else.

    It makes me sad. You are an emotional vampire by your answers.

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  74. single mom:
    In all honesty I’d probably say “stop interrogating me…what’s your problem?!”

    you’ve had a rough life. i predict it will get rougher.

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  75. nice embellishment mark.

    to be fair to omw, it’s more natural to think about this test logically when sitting in the office behind a computer than it would be late at night, mildly drunk, with an attractive guy in a bar. context definitely seems to be important here …

    …unless you’re in the australian outback…

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  76. on June 2, 2009 at 3:08 pm Lawyer from Hell

    “meh, people have been promising (worldwide! purifying! inevitable!) suffering and pain since I was a little kid.”

    Look at the beaten down slumped shoulders of 90% of the men in grocery stories. That’s their life. The slow quiet pain of slaves.

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  77. Emotionally parched and cynical are probably fair descriptors when it comes to dealing with the New American Man. 😀

    Another ten years and Agnostic’ll be angling for my daughter.

    She’ll be easy to impress. Someone’s got to pour ice water through her pliant little brain.

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  78. I don’t doubt that pop-psychology routines like this one work when used by a better actor than I, but I can’t effectively sell them because they aren’t congruent with who I am. I can’t hide the fact that I think pop-psychology quizes are stupid and that I don’t respect the women who like them. I gag when I read Cosmo at the dentist’s office.

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  79. Men are bored in grocery stores=slavery.

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  80. on June 2, 2009 at 3:12 pm Lawyer from Hell

    finefantastic!:

    “uhh…guys like getting flowers?

    really?”

    At the office? No

    In front of friends? No

    For bdays or holidays? No

    In some sponteous, sudden surprise from a woman? Yes

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  81. on June 2, 2009 at 3:12 pm Cannon's Canon

    omw,
    I didn’t mention anything about pumping and dumping in my comment. You inferred that I was among the “nihilists living for nothing but interesting sensations in their pants” just from the technical nature of my reply.

    For the record, I’m flattered. Also, you’re correct.

    And, my mother wouldn’t be happy to learn this.

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  82. lawyer from hell:
    The roses are there, by chance, to be picked for SOMEONE ELSE. The roses are NOT for you. Yet because YOU don’t like them, you turn your nose up at them as a gift for someone else.

    good catch re: single bitter mom. her self-absorption could fuel a black hole. twenty white roses is clearly not enough to fully express the magnitude of her selfishness. perhaps she could melt down the world’s white roses into a milky froth and pour it like concrete on whichever man ventures forth to attempt a mutually enriching conversation with her?

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  83. single mom:
    In all honesty I’d probably say “stop interrogating me…what’s your problem?!”

    you’ve had a rough life. i predict it will get rougher.

    Is roissy heavily gaming LR there or has this thread skewed my perspective on wording?

    omw: I concur but, alas, a word of caution, if you make the standards too high, no modern man can meet them. ’tis better a flawed daughter with a flawed man and happy, then a perfect daughter with a flawed man who knows what he is and cannot be.

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  84. True, maurice. I’d probably be more of a brainless softie if there were some adorable fellow administering the middle-school cootie test, instead of a bunch of soulless pixels.

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  85. fine and fantastic:
    uhh…guys like getting flowers?

    absolutely. as long as they’re cool flowers, like venus fly traps or that phallicly shaped tropical flower that smells like rotting meat.

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  86. on June 2, 2009 at 3:15 pm Lawyer from Hell

    omw

    “Men are bored in grocery stores=slavery.”

    Ha ha ha. It is symbolic of their whole life. Most men are slaves, they just lie to themselves that they are free.

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  87. Lawyer From Hell:

    In some sponteous, sudden surprise from a woman? Yes

    Oh! Unexpected discovery of male nature.

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  88. on June 2, 2009 at 3:16 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Is roissy heavily gaming LR there or has this thread skewed my perspective on wording?

    of course he is

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  89. mark:
    On the way, what animal do you encounter?
    How do you interact with that animal?

    The first one indicates the size and threatening nature of that person’s fears and problems.
    The second one tells how people handle those fears or problems.

    this is a good addition to the love test.

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  90. on June 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm Lawyer from Hell

    roissy:

    “good catch re: single bitter mom. her self-absorption could fuel a black hole. twenty white roses is clearly not enough to fully express the magnitude of her selfishness. perhaps she could melt down the world’s white roses into a milky froth and pour it like concrete on whichever man ventures forth to attempt a mutually enriching conversation with her?”

    That would take to much effort on her part. She would make him do it and then have him smile and say he loves her as he drowns.

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  91. hey, flawed is fine. Everybody is flawed.

    But she’s got to have a pretty healthy measure of self-respect; hopefully she’ll have enough of it not to get sucked into playing stupid games with a parasitical “rake,” in lieu of thinking for herself.

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  92. @omw – already thinking of pimping out your 7-year old, eh? sorry to hear that. at least you will have warned her about the cooties test before some future PUA pours ice in her veins. seriously, you and LR are clearly not the target for this kind of thing and would have probably been selected out in advance before running it, on any one of a number of grounds.

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  93. roissy, despite your hints, you are not getting my baby.

    I agree it was a cooler present than roses, which have such silky petals but die so quickly. I got it as a present from a girl. I do not know what that says.

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  94. marcus aureliette:
    I don’t know…I’d choose white roses simply because red roses are so overwhelmingly representative of over-the-top, heavily-processed Romance of the Hallmark variety. Maybe a flower that’s less loaded with faux-romantic baggage would yield a more reliable result….

    interestingly, this may tell us why the white roses symbolize selfishness. a woman who is overly concerned with appearing romantically goopy or saccharine is likely also a woman overly concerned with reciprocity in relationships. she is a bean counter of love. avoid her at all costs.

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  95. nah, the girl is currently two. lol. (so I jest a little about ten years and Agnostic… but only a little.)

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  96. Bhetti–

    Oh! Unexpected discovery of male nature.

    He’s right about that too. I feel the same way exactly, down his line on that.

    I suspect most guys do. At least the ones not looking over their shoulder about how they “should” feel.

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  97. @finefantastic, roissy – anthuriums are the flower with the leaf with the penis-shaped protrusion coming out. there may be another one that smells like rotting flesh (gross), but anthuriums are available everywhere. i wouldn’t recommend them as a gift to a man unless you want him to fuck you immediately, though – the symbolism is pretty unmistakable. make sure you get ones with the jumbo spike to keep his ego assuaged…

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  98. on June 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm Seeking Alpha

    Do I not get an answer to the age old question?

    Does anal get shit on your dick?

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  99. on June 2, 2009 at 3:27 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Bhetti:

    “Lawyer From Hell:

    In some sponteous, sudden surprise from a woman? Yes

    Oh! Unexpected discovery of male nature.”

    Just don’t over do it. You should give a man flowers once a year at most.

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  100. omw:
    aw, Bhetti, but scaring Roissy off could hardly be considered a bad thing. lol.

    your stab at coyness is stilted. keep working on it.

    five:
    does it work on guys?

    it won’t have the same emotional impact on a man. he’s likely to play along while wondering if this means she’s more, or less, ready to suckle his schlong.

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  101. @seeking alpha- you have to ask? really?

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  102. roissy–

    lawyer from hell: The roses are there, by chance, to be picked for SOMEONE ELSE. The roses are NOT for you. Yet because YOU don’t like them, you turn your nose up at them as a gift for someone else.

    good catch re: single bitter mom. her self-absorption could fuel a black hole. twenty white roses is clearly not enough to fully express the magnitude of her selfishness. perhaps she could melt down the world’s white roses into a milky froth and pour it like concrete on whichever man ventures forth to attempt a mutually enriching conversation with her?

    Roissy gold and dead on target.

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  103. on June 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm Lawyer from Hell

    maurice

    “@finefantastic, roissy – anthuriums are the flower with the leaf with the penis-shaped protrusion coming out. there may be another one that smells like rotting flesh (gross), but anthuriums are available everywhere. i wouldn’t recommend them as a gift to a man unless you want him to fuck you immediately, though – the symbolism is pretty unmistakable. make sure you get ones with the jumbo spike to keep his ego assuaged…”

    I went to a wedding where the bride’s bouquet was made up of anthuriums. I was hard not to laugh the whole time.

    Well, I got to get back to saving people from their own stupidity. Chao!

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  104. on June 2, 2009 at 3:33 pm Seeking Alpha

    maurice – Well it seems pretty damn obvious… but then I don’t really get the appeal. Maybe for a pump and dump with a condom on. But in my own bed, raw dog?

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  105. @bhetti – shukran for your compliment form yesterday’s thread – do you still want me to answer that question re PUAs, or is it OBE by now …?

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  106. gaybuttox (great handle):
    Technically, however, the diet and digestive processes of males and females should be the same, so the rectum between the two would be nearly identical in properties.

    Therefore, anal sex is equally filthy no matter what the gender of the recipient.

    anal sex with a woman is not equivalent to gay sex. to explain, i will leave you with the comment i left at tyler cowen’s marginal revolution blog when he also inquired, in his unnecessarily dense econometric way, if hetero anal sex would inspire an appreciation for gay buttsex by the hetero man:

    [tyler: If you take the heterosexual couples who engage in the practice which is sometimes “associated” with male gay marriage, I predict those couples will favor legal gay marriage to an astonishingly high degree.]

    the problem with this analogy is that most frisky hetero couples aren’t having anal sex at 200x zoom magnification where the act could more easily be misconstrued for homo butt piracy. in real life where the cross-sectional econometrics of backdoor loving take a seat to actual human experience, any raids on a rump attached to a hot female body is a qualitatively different mental experience for the hetero male than if he were to envision the tangentially similar scenario where the puckered portal is attached to a hairy, smelly male body. this is the reason why old-fashioned straightlaced men who cheekily claim that female balloon knot violating is the equivalent of gay sex are out in cleft field.

    link:

    http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/04/blogging-gay-marriage.html

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  107. It’s not really coyness, though, Roissy: you’re just an evil human being. I don’t mean “evil” in the cute ironic way that’s so popular; does an undiluted word for this idea even exist now?

    What loss is it to a woman to drive you (or one of your spiritual brethren) away?

    Maybe a loss of an interesting time-suck, (lol) but she’d be better served living a good life with someone who cares about her, not waiting hand-and-foot on someone who sold his soul to Satan for mere sex.

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  108. …alitatively different mental experience for the hetero male than if he were to envision the tangentially similar scenario where the puckered portal is attached to a ha…

    ugh. that killed it.

    its like explaining a Jack Black movie. game over

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  109. yeah, TMI. overthinking it quite a bit. but that does perhaps answer SA’s naive question…

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  110. on June 2, 2009 at 3:44 pm Seeking Alpha

    Unfortunately, the naive and experienced alike are being coy, so no, it doesn’t. This is the temple of truth, where pretty lies perish. I have the anonymity to unashamedly ask the age old question. Where is my clear and concise answer?

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  111. seeking purification:
    Do I not get an answer to the age old question?

    too needy.

    Does anal get shit on your dick?

    i haven’t noticed. but then i’m not assfucking chicks with a BM knocking at the door.

    btw, i’ve read that porn stars listerine their rectums before anal scenes. kills bacteria *and* tastes minty fresh when you’re rimming her!

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  112. i’ve actually heard of coffee enemas before anal sex. like juan valdez riding his burro! giddy-up!

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  113. on June 2, 2009 at 3:48 pm Seeking Alpha

    too needy.

    Hah, yea no doubt…

    But better to cleanse oneself in the stinging, yet purifying rubbing alcohol of Roissy’s unvarnished truths and insults then to carry ones flaws into the real world with real world consequences.

    All in all, seems like a pass. Oh well. We can’t all be as hip as Roissy.

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  114. These “tests” are pure bullsh*t. Yet girls fall for them everytime — just read the comments above.

    But Roissy missed the key point — it doesn’t matter what answers the girl gives. You always interpret her responses in ways that are flattering, but also a bit critical (include the neg with the pos). It is the BS that appeals to the girl, not the “truth” of the so-called psychological analysis.

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  115. anon:
    What loss is it to a woman to drive you (or one of your spiritual brethren) away?

    a lifetime of fond memories.

    Maybe a loss of an interesting time-suck, (lol) but she’d be better served living a good life with someone who cares about her, not waiting hand-and-foot on someone who sold his soul to Satan for mere sex.

    “you can’t swim? don’t worry, it’s mere oxygen.”

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  116. porn stars listerine their rectums before anal scenes

    it is true. the fluor in listerine works in the ass just like in the mouth. it seems that fluor is not meant to work inside the body, nut works just fine in “open” areas

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  117. nut == but

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  118. seeking an anal lover’s guidance:
    All in all, seems like a pass.

    you could always use a condom if the thought of shit shpeckles bothers you. i suggest trying anal at least once in life. it’s one of those things that you’ll regret not having done when your dick is two inches into the grave. and i bet if a hot babe asked you to do her in the ass, and her round perfect glutes were arched up at you in anticipation, you’d summarily oblige.

    oh wait, you’re getting married. i hope you installed an anal sex clause in the pre-nup.

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  119. on June 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm Seeking Alpha

    You’re almost being nice Roissy. Careful.

    To be perfectly honest – for God knows what reason – anal sex has been offered by my bride to be. No need to add that particular clause.

    But if I ever get divorced, I do promise I’ll try it at least once with some bar slut I pick up using The Love Test.

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  120. anal sex has been offered by my bride to be

    oooops.

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  121. anedocte: me and a colleague, in the office, returning from lunch.

    ME: did you see that girl, who works at XXX?
    Friend: Yeah, she is hot
    ME: I envy the guy who’s fucking her. My soap suffers with me
    Friend: Probably no one is, she is so arrogant
    ME : You’re right,

    BOSS (appearing in the room half an hour before he was used to): Learn one thing, boys. There are no empty holes.

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  122. on June 2, 2009 at 4:07 pm Marcus Aureliette

    interestingly, this may tell us why the white roses symbolize selfishness. a woman who is overly concerned with appearing romantically goopy or saccharine is likely also a woman overly concerned with reciprocity in relationships. she is a bean counter of love. avoid her at all costs.

    Or perhaps she’s just afraid of coming on too strong with default romantic gestures for fear he will then assume she expects him to reciprocate in kind, i.e. lavish dinners, jewelry, etc. I’d avoid red roses like the plague, unless I was so sure of a guy’s feelings as to be bordering on marriage. But maybe that’s just me.

    If a quiz like this ultimately gets you what you’re after, that’s great, but the answers offer nothing in the way of insight into the personality of the answerer. Although if it keeps her talking to you, I guess it’s done its job.

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  123. 1-Short
    2-10 and 10
    3-Ask to be let in
    4-Window
    5-Sleep
    6-Long

    i took the test- the answers show why i am a beta desperately in need of game.

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  124. the problem with this analogy is that most frisky hetero couples aren’t having anal sex at 200x zoom magnification where the act could more easily be misconstrued for homo butt piracy. in real life where the cross-sectional econometrics of backdoor loving take a seat to actual human experience, any raids on a rump attached to a hot female body is a qualitatively different mental experience for the hetero male than if he were to envision the tangentially similar scenario where the puckered portal is attached to a hairy, smelly male body. this is the reason why old-fashioned straightlaced men who cheekily claim that female balloon knot violating is the equivalent of gay sex are out in cleft field.

    Whether I agree or not is secondary – the fact is that your metaphors are superlatively brilliant.

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  125. the diet and digestive processes of males and females should be the same, so the rectum between the two would be nearly identical in properties.

    Hogwash.

    Since girls don’t poop, they don’t have the latter part of a lower digestive system. The food and drink they put into their mouths goes down their esophagus into their stomach and through the small intestine.

    After that point, waste products are removed from existence, an exception to the law of conservation of matter.

    Look it up in Grey’s Anatomy.

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  126. OMW

    The funny one would make fun of me for being a weirdo, not get irritated about his script wandering a little off-track.

    As a guy who tries to remain fresh and original, it would be an insult to my muse to run a script.

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  127. PA

    researchers of Ballantines University in Scotland have discovered that development of the lower digestive system is highly correlated with assymetry in the face and lower digital ratios, for females.

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  128. on June 2, 2009 at 4:18 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “What are you supposed to answer if you genuinely HATE both red and white roses?”

    Were you raised in a cave by rabid raccoons or something? You seem pretty ignorant of lots of the rules that guide most human interactions.

    1. (pointed out elsewhere) the roses aren’t for you, they’re for your lover. Not everybody has your taste and a considerate human being can think of another for long enough to realize that.
    Your answer indicates that you can’t think of another’s happiness that might not feed your own. Asked and answered.

    2. If you agree to a pop psych test you don’t go rearranging the questions to suit your particular biases. It’s a fucking, pop psych test, not a citizenship oath – you choose from the options given in a spirit of fun and don’t obsess over it and go into drama spells about how special and unique you are and how you don’t fit into the restrictive framework of a pop psych test.

    “I’m actually not being difficult”

    No, you just have to rewrite any human interaction to be about YOU YOU YOU YOU!!!!!!!!!! Nothing difficult about that.

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  129. on June 2, 2009 at 4:25 pm Cliff Arroyo

    While I’m here. Roissy is right about anal sex.

    A gay man trying to act straight with a girlfriend or (god forbid) wife isn’t going to scratch his itches by having anal sex with a woman and thinking of Brad Pitt. He wants a partner with a real penis. Period.

    A straight guy who likes anal sex with women isn’t going to find a man’s asshole a suitable replacement. That pesky second penis (even if it remains hors de combat) is going to be a deal breaker as will any other over signs of masculinity (hairy legs etc).

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  130. on June 2, 2009 at 4:28 pm Biting Beaver

    Here are my guesses.

    1. LONG Rape

    2. ALL WHITE Rape

    3. DOOR Rape

    4. WINDOWSILL Rape

    5. AWAKE Rape

    6. SHORT rape

    [editor: ok, this proves you’re a troll. nevertheless, i chuckled.]

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  131. my darling Default, for you my love 🙂

    long path- I like beauty and I love to walk.

    17 red 3 white- red roses are prettier and they last longer. I would throw three white roses in the middle to liven it up a bit.

    go to his room -only if it’s his sister or brother answers the door. If an older relative opens the door, ask that he come to the door.

    windowsill( in a vase)- to much of a mess on the bed.

    awake- I’m a natural late sleeper. I can sleep to 12 noon when I have nothing to do.

    long path – I like beauty

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  132. on June 2, 2009 at 4:34 pm Cliff Arroyo

    If we’re collecting male answers (which I realize we’re not)

    1. short
    2. 10-10
    3. ask to be let in
    4. bed
    5. asleep
    6. long

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  133. @doug

    I told you earlier you have great taste in women.

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  134. roissy wrote kills bacteria *and* tastes minty fresh when you’re rimming her!

    😯

    Everything goes these days.

    My good man, you are a freak! 🙂

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  135. @BB – (or BB impostor) – a rabid feminazi (or impersonator) with a sense of humor? who knew such creatures existed…?

    @chic – dig the new pic. who is it?

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  136. also @ chic – who is your true crush these days? whiskey or default? are you two timing either or both of them …? ;-0

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  137. on June 2, 2009 at 5:10 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    This is a nice suggestion, but speaking for myself, I could never pull of a test like this. It requires too much social dominance and follow-thru.

    What I do instead is ask open-ended questions. The responses you get can be revealing. Plus, when people tell you things it’s a way to build intimacy.

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  138. short, 19r/1w, ask, bed, sleeping, long… i knew i shouldn’t have gone to law school.

    your generalizations about “dc lawyer cunts” are quite insulting, yet as with most of your observations, mostly true.

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  139. When I took the play test imagining I was Bhetti answering as per her request, I followed Roissy’s instructions. I.e. I didn’t read this explanations following the italicized question until I had all the anwers written down. Here was my thought process. Note these thoughts were in a couple of seconds each with two exceptions which were ten of fifteen seconds.

    1. Path to lovers. A: short. [Bhetti would want to get to me (strike that, her lover) quickly and impetuously, not dawdling to enjoy the view.]

    2. Roses. A: red. [All red because her focus would be on sending an unmistakable love / heated heart message, rather than appearing sophisticated or unusual.]

    3. Door or go up to room. A. Door. [This took a few more secs. Bhetti would want to show impetuosity but would think it improper with a relative at the door, and also a bit too forward/aggressive.]

    4. Roses on Bed or windowsill. A. bed [Also a few more secs. She would want to show a heated love message, but would feel guilty about displaying such immodesty without being seduced into it. Resolved: bed.]

    5. Asleep or awake. A. Asleep. [She would like the idea of taking care of me (I mean her lover) and letting me be, rather than mostly the other way around, in the personal things.]

    6. Route home. A. Long. [She would want to savor the natural beauty of that route as she lingers on her way home, after a radiant experience.]

    It’s easy for me to see how the thoughts motivating my answers for Bhetti could translate into the psychological conclusions Roissy relates about them.

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  140. on June 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm Seeking Alpha

    I tried something similar with my (now) fiancee, after reading about The Cube and all that.

    I wasn’t about to learn a whole routine for someone I was already sleeping with, but I was curious if I could use the same principles effectively.

    We were walking back from the beach to my house and I mused that it would be great if there was a secret tunnel that took us back to the house from the beach.

    I started asking questions about the tunnel. What was the floor made of? Would you still walk it or would it have some kind of transport inside? What was on the walls, etc.?

    She loved it. Became totally engrossed. It was kind of fun for me too to think up these questions. Every once in awhile I’d thrown in a neg based on an answer.

    If you’re not the kind of guy who can or wants to run a routine, just making up your own test with your answers off the top of your head – while not as useful for screening – can work great for building attraction or comfort or whatever stage of MM it is.

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  141. seeking alpha –

    In my experience the worst ive encountered is a couple small specs of shit on my dick. It wasnt cause she had to take a dump. Were talking about an anus here. Naturally it does smell worse than traditional sex. Generally speaking its tighter and but doesnt feel as good as a pussy even with maximum lubrication. A pussy was made to feel good on a dick. Asshole not so much. Thus I prefer regular to anal in terms of pure visceral pleasure. However, as other commenters have mentioned, the one aspect of it I did enjoy was the power. I enjoyed the momentary satisfaction of the idea of having but dick shoved up her ass, not neccessarily the physical pleasure. Finally I enjoy being to say to my gir afterwards that my dicks been in your ass. Its definitely a form of power that is appealing.

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  142. seeking alpha —

    We were walking back from the beach to my house and I mused that it would be great if there was a secret tunnel that took us back to the house from the beach.

    I started asking questions about the tunnel. What was the floor made of? Would you still walk it or would it have some kind of transport inside? What was on the walls, etc.?

    She loved it. Became totally engrossed. It was kind of fun for me too to think up these questions. Every once in awhile I’d thrown in a neg based on an answer.

    Great stuff.

    I’ve done this kind of thing a lot, a whole lot actually, as in almost always, too. That’s beginning decades ago, long before I’d ever heard of game or anyone wrote about it.

    Where did I get it? Well I’d witnessed someone else doing it, it obviously was working for him, I tried it, it worked for me, then I found it nearly always did, if I did it right and introed it right. With more serious minded /logical girls sometimes you need to start with a more practical kind of beginning to the questions. Almost engineering like with some. (This is rare. Think Alias Clio though. Or in her case historical. If the Romans were building it ….). But then proceed to the whimsical questions. Killer.

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  143. Doug:

    It’s easy for me to see how the thoughts motivating my answers for Bhetti could translate into the psychological conclusions Roissy relates about them.

    I think the answers may be different depending on what picture or man she has as ‘lover’ and ‘everything to you’. Which — if heard, understood and digested properly — changes everything.

    It is very clear who I was thinking of, isn’t it?

    Anyway, in other responses and with this specific routine especially when talking to a woman, in a dating setting, it may actually be gauging her reaction to you personally rather than just a ‘personality’ test: you are the one who must take ‘lover’ placeholder.

    maurice: Please, go ahead. Although roissy’s tone seemed to darkly imply otherwise, I’m thinking his solution — to put it in financial terms — is to pay the asking price and ensure more men can pay it.

    PA:

    Hogwash.

    Since girls don’t poop, they don’t have the latter part of a lower digestive system. The food and drink they put into their mouths goes down their esophagus into their stomach and through the small intestine.

    After that point, waste products are removed from existence, an exception to the law of conservation of matter.

    Look it up in Grey’s Anatomy.

    It is named The Juliet Effect. Or, more commonly, a stoma bag.

    [I could’ve been merciless and used worse pictures]

    For those who don’t know this, I’m a medical student.

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  144. PA:
    Correction: working links: Or a stoma bag.

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  145. Why is lady Cumstaine still here? Hasn’t she got work to do castrating her faggot son?

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  146. on June 2, 2009 at 5:56 pm Default User

    chic noir

    I was not going to answer but I saw yours reply an it encouraged me to make an effort.

    I take the long way, in order to better to savor the delicious anticipation of seeing my loved one.

    I take just two, one red, one white. Sometimes a little means a lot.

    At the door I push aside whoever is there and demand to “see my bitch.” [Establish Alpha dominance]

    The two roses gently entwined together on the bed.

    Asleep. I admire her tousled hair, the gentle curve of her hip and, the rise and fall of her breasts as she breathes slowly, deeply, contentedly.

    I take the short path home with a brief nostalgic look back remembering the great time we had.

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  147. on June 2, 2009 at 5:58 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lady Rain is but one step away from FeministX-dom.

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  148. It is named The Juliet Effect. Or, more commonly, a stoma bag.

    I don’t know what Juliet Effect is and I won’t open the the stoma bag link becaue I feel that tehre is a prank behind that door.

    But I believe, Bhetti, what you were tryng to say is that since girls don’t poop, they only have a vestigial anus, which is clean and leads to a dead end. It’s sort of analogous to how men have nipples.

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  149. on June 2, 2009 at 6:07 pm Tupac Chopra

    Hey PA, I think all your questions and concerns will be answered definitively if you google “TubGirl”

    Go on, check it out.

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  150. Finefantastic: Yes, it is strange that a woman would bring flowers to a man. I think the guy in the story might be a little on the beta side…

    As far as anal sex, in my experiences it is not as pleasurable as vaginal sex. As one commentator mentioned above, the vagina was made to give pleasure to the penis. The rectum not so much so. As he said, it is more the thought of anal sex, the fact that a girl would let you violate her that way, that is most enticing. Yeah, this girl is so filthy that she enjoys the feel of my cock in her ass. From my experience, anal sex is usually much more physically pleasurable for the girl than for the guy. Most girls I have done it with are amazed at how much they love the feel of a cock in their ass. You can also massage or even finger or use a dildo on their vagina at the same time, giving them double pleasure

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  151. It’s like shooting dairy cows with a scope rifle – as a great man once put it. I find Lady’s imperviousness remarkable. I’ve only ever encountered it in men. No criticism will penetrate the bubble of self-regard.

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  152. L. Raine

    Great stuff you write, actually. And since you are describing
    your own situation, it would be ill-mannered for any of us who do not know you in Real Life to argue with you about it.
    But you must notice, however, that your main point is that you are very different from most women. Like, the top 1% of females in testosterone. Perhaps you are.
    So, game does not work so well on women like you but only on the other 99%, the more feminine kind? What kind of argument is that?
    If your goal was to discourage guys from practicing game you went at it in a peculiar way.

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  153. anal sex is poor for women because they don’t have a prostate. Men have prostates, which are stimulated through being banged anally or having a finger up the butt. Hence why gay men love anal sex.

    women who like anal sex are either 1) Trannies or 2) filthy whores.

    in Lady Cumstaine’s case, it’s both.

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  154. rum:
    Great stuff you write, actually. And since you are describing
    your own situation, it would be ill-mannered for any of us who do not know you in Real Life to argue with you about it.

    for the record, in case it wasn’t obvious i creatively edited single mom’s comment above (5:46 pm) to be more entertaining and truthful. her original comment was the usual illogical and tiresomely repetitive crap she posts.

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  155. Hmm. I actually saw this test a long time ago…somewhere on the internet. Not in Cosmo. For you Cosmo haters, I write for Cosmo.

    Yep.

    @Firepower

    Well, as omw pointed out above, I’m sure 20 roses would fit better on a chair rather than a windowsill.

    1. Short — I’m impatient.
    2. Half red, half white. I like white roses better…but, they’re not for me. That said, I don’t think my boyfriend is quite the flower type.
    3. If I felt even a modicum of comfort with the person opening the door, I’d ask to be let in.
    4. Bed, although that will probably end up being a bad idea.
    5. Asleep. I always wake up before him. Always.
    6. Short — I’m impatient.

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  156. Lady Rain: “As for the anal sex, I don’t mean to be too open here, but I have only encountered maybe one or two men in my life who are opposed to the idea and say “no”. (I personally love it and I’ve never had a guy seem upset when I suggest it)”

    “I don’t mean to be too open here, but …” … hahaha

    Unless roissy also edited the above:

    You seem to lack the part of the brain that prevents normal people from divulging their life story and intimate details in public places – coupled with an inability to see anything from any other perspective than your own.

    It is like meeting a compulsively honest troll who is incapable of realizing that she’s trolling.

    Simply fascinating in an incredibly annoying way.

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  157. lilgrl:

    (on women magazines) 200+ ways to please your man…please.. theres only four ways to please your man. Just lick his balls, suck his dick, make him a sandwhich and just don’t talk too him too much. – Dave Chapelle.

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  158. PA wrote :

    Since girls don’t poop, they don’t have the latter part of a lower digestive system.

    PA – you disappoint me. I though you were one of the guys who stopped thinking that chicks were supernatural beings of otherworldly perfection. That is what lesser Betas think.

    I though you were above that, and had at least some first-hand experience with the female body.

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  159. PA: Coward. I didn’t want to scare you so they’re not that bad. You’ve seen worse, I’m positive.

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  160. Chic is right; about 70% of men who like anal are suppressing homosexual tendencies. You have a whole for that down there; they’re just pretending your name is steve.

    The other 30% are, like roissy, willing to violate a woman in every manner possible.

    You filthy trannie whore.

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  161. whiskey, plus “shaming” people is verboten. Teen girls are told to shack up and sleep around, this is only the result of 30 years of feminist propaganda: skanky, exhibitionist harridans whose men leave them and raise gay sons.

    In other words, Lady Cumstaine.

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  162. PA: And, uh, there is no Juliet Effect. That was made up.

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  163. zod: she gets to keep a gay man in the closet for a little while longer. and gets her hair done for free.

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  164. on June 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm What Happened?

    What happened to Gunslingerregi?

    After failing miserably with all the women….losing bitches left and right to all the men here…he crawled away…

    DOUG1 it is all your fault!!

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  165. “MySpace has a big problem, not just with women posting pics of themselves that are inappropriate (some 39 year old mayor of a town posted pics of herself in her lingerie on MySpace) … but teen girls.

    Give teen girls a camera and they’ll dance around in their underwear to some rap video.”

    Feminism: the common thread in our society that has on one hand produced teen girls who engage in “sexting”, and on the other hand produced To Catch a Predator.

    Take Dad and moral shame away so girls indulge their exhibitionist tendencies to the max, and start doing so at younger and younger ages, then act shocked…just SHOCKED…when some men start to pursue said girls. Or when they end up broken, abused, bitter single moms.

    Yeah, letting women into the political process and making them equal in the home has done wonders…

    It’s amazing how different things are when a strong, Alpha man runs a household. I have a naturally Alpha friend with a family, and his kids are nothing like the average kids today. I can’t imagine his daughter posting sexual photos or videos on MySpace. And if she ever brought home some drunk PoS like LR’s baby daddy, my friend would probably end the guy’s life for him. He runs that household and his wife follows and backs him up. And his kids know what kind of trouble they will be in if they ever disrespect themselves or their parents. Because they respect their parents, especially their father, they respect themselves and look down on kids who do not.

    Sad that his used to be the average American family, but is now a rare find.

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  166. whiskey,

    I would say that is mostly due to the media and the overexposure of female celebrities (sex tapes, etc.) that young girls look up to and older women wish they were still like. It is also a postfeminist trend of speaking openly about sex (most likely an attempt at mimicking male interactions) that TV shows like Sex & the City and magazines like Cosmo portray as cool and attractive that young girls and aging women get swept up into, although I’d say this would probably effect women at any age.

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  167. That was a fun test! As a girl I’m not sure why I find these fun to do… I guess it just takes me on a fun mental vacation…. visualizations are good. You PUAs are smart 😉

    OK I feel like sharing my answers and why I picked them too (this may be overanalysis but you all can skip over it if it’s boring ;-)):

    1. Long walk: I love walking and looking at pretty things… and if I’m going to see a guy I like the long walk would put me in a good mood (and calm my nerves too heehee)
    2. Red: red is just more lovely and vibrant, white would be kind of cold and colorless
    3. Wait for him to come down: I’d feel weird just barging into someone’s house even if he was my lover. It would feel more appropriate to wait for him to come down and lead from there on what to do next (like do we go out, hang out at his casa, or what)
    4. Bed: that’s the focal point of a bedroom, and I’d want him to see the surprise as soon as he came in!
    5. Probably sleeping: this is all hypothetical for me lol. I’d sleep lightly when not in my own bed. I’d probably just lie there hoping he’ll wake up and join me in awake-land soon 😉
    6. It depends: if I’m ready to take a refreshing shower and change, short walk. If I’m feeling lazy and just want to bask in the afterglow of a passionate night, long walk 🙂

    Seriously, that was fun. Just wish I could hear what most guys would say (even joke answers would be fun)

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  168. My answers ( I didn’t cheat – it’s no fun if you do!)

    1. Short (more important I see my love sooner!)

    2. All red (white roses seem more feminine, I think a man would prefer red)

    3. Wait at the door – the polite thing to do.

    4. Bed – more romantic.

    5. Asleep

    6. Long (so I can daydream about the night before as I walk home making the experience last longer).

    I love quizzes, they are fun! And YES women like men who ask them questions – it shows they are interested in more than just boasting about themselves.

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  169. on June 2, 2009 at 7:48 pm Default User

    lovelysexycutie

    Very nice answers. Lots for a good PUA to work off.

    My are here (upthread).
    [spot the joke answer]

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  170. on June 2, 2009 at 7:51 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Aussie gal….

    All red (white roses seem more feminine, I think a man would prefer red)

    Can you see the cognitive dissonance of this statement you made?

    Trust me when I tell you this, normal, heterosexual men would prefer FEMININE.

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  171. beware of “Taliban Game”

    I have run some cross-sectional econometrics on the responses to the “Love test Routine”

    Girls who liked it – and went with the flow
    bhetti
    redhead
    kim
    pupi
    aoefe
    five
    chic noir
    lexi
    lil girl

    Girls who hated it – and argued
    L Rain
    OMW
    Fine Fantasic

    This is a classic lesson for all of the guys out there – GAME WORKS, and it works on double or triple the number of girls that it fails on…..

    However – just check out how many many many posts (i.e. how much bandwidth, energy, attention, effort, real estate) the haters took up…. and how much frustration they have generated….

    Essentially “the haters” are playing “Taliban Game” by trying to grind into submission and dominate those who they viscerely hate.

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  172. Dave from Hawaii

    Not really Dave, I would be choosing roses for him and my gut told me to get him red roses. The point of the test was to give the first answer that came to you.

    Besides Dave, you know that the logic of women is different from the logic of men.

    🙂

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  173. PA – you disappoint me. I though you were one of the guys who stopped thinking that chicks were supernatural beings of otherworldly perfection. That is what lesser Betas think.

    Dude, I was in no way idealizing women. I was stating a common-sense physiological fact that women don’t poop. If I said that women have smoother skin than men, would that also be a Lesser Beta thing to say?

    I though you were above that, and had at least some first-hand experience with the female body.

    I am very experienced with the female body. I’ve dated, slept with, cohabitated with, and am married to, a decent number of women. And I’ve never as much as once come across any evidence that they poop.

    What’s the occam’s razor say: a wild conspiracy theory that that every single one of these girls took care of never offending me with evidence of having pooped at some point, or, duh — more simply — that they don’t poop? Think, man!

    And, uh, there is no Juliet Effect. That was made up.

    Of course you made it up Bhetti. Any reference to women pooping is obviously made-up.

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  174. on June 2, 2009 at 8:02 pm Dave from Hawaii

    you know that the logic of women is different from the logic of men.

    Wait…what?

    Women have logic?

    You’re kidding me right?

    Next thing you know, you’ll be trying to tell me that women don’t poop….

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  175. That is because our logic uses emotion and gut feeling as well as reason. Men will never understand, but then again, I don’t think you would want to!

    – occasionally you meet a man who uses quasi-female logic and it is most unsettling.

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  176. on June 2, 2009 at 8:04 pm Default User

    Max A

    To be fair I think that omw and finefantastic were being joking in their resistance.

    So that leaves…

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  177. on June 2, 2009 at 8:09 pm Default User

    PA

    …am married to, a decent number of women.

    Polygamy is already here?

    Alpha bastard!!!!!!
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    🙂

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  178. DT, and ehre’s an even worse point: that alpha male father you describe is likely to be sued or investigated by authorities for running an abusive household—by some feminazi or beta male feminazi sympathizer, who hate the idea of a strong male (although if he is Black, they might grant him some slack).

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  179. Good point – Default User

    So together with Aussie girl and Marcus Aurelliette we have:

    11 happy test takers and

    1 relationship terrorist (who takes up ALOT of real estate)

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  180. Max Z—in more ways than one. (/rimshot)

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  181. Any minute now, Lady Cumstaine is going to start endlessly block-quoting people, repeate the same tired arguments with no proof, ignore all facts to the contrary, copy and paste discredited statements as truth, and be determined to have the last word. Oh, and say ridiculous things that are counter-historical about Islamic societies.

    I can feel it.

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  182. on June 2, 2009 at 8:25 pm Comment_Whatever

    This thread is cool.

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  183. Lurker

    When I see an old fool driving a smokey old VW beetle in the fast lane of the highway taking up space, polluting, blocking others and being annoying…

    I simply drive around them…..

    I only do 3 things in life

    Pleasure
    Leisure
    Accumulating Wealth (influence, power)

    everything else is a waste of precious time and energy

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  184. Bhetti

    Sara: Re: cosmo. roissy does his research where he must. Oh, the sacrifice and depths one must descend in the pursuit of poon, yea.

    Yeah, yeah…..it’s pretty intense. x_x

    Riff dog

    So whether it came from the most brilliant psychologists in the world, or from Cosmo, or from straight out of Roissy’s ass,

    Whatever works as the saying goes.

    it’s still a tried and true technique and gets the Riff Dog Seal of Approval. Just don’t take it too seriously.

    I used to take it seriously. You seem like a nice doggy and I like the way you express yourself. To the point. Sara likes that. Here’s a side subject: What should Sara do about being given some special attention by a man 14 years younger? I mean, at some point if it progresses I have to take my clothes off.

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  185. Lurker; Chic–

    Chic is right; about 70% of men who like anal are suppressing homosexual tendencies. You have a whole for that down there; they’re just pretending your name is steve.

    Completely wrong.

    First of all the thing for anal comes directly from porn. It did not used to be all that widespread outside the gay and bi communities. It did occur. It was whispered about or discussed. But it was thought a fetish and yeah there was a certain gay fear about it for most even among the very active.

    After porn took it up as a big thing in the later 90s, particularly gonzo porn e.g. Buttman etc. did, it caught on big. Internet porn which meant much more widely viewed porn made it bigger. Since I was sexually alive and very active during this before and after (unlike many here), I can speak with some knowledge.

    What it was sold as in porn from the beginning was getting a girl to do absolutely everything for YOU, you big stud you. That was some combination of how dominantly studly you were and how dirty/abandoned she was.

    That’s still what it stands for in the civilian world, including in the minds of women that are even remotely willing to consider it, and in the minds of many who aren’t — until they meet a sufficiently charming and dominant man they’re dying to do anything for.

    That my friend is where anal’s really at.

    Now, having said all that, I don’t actually enjoy the sensations as much, or really nearly as much as vaginal sex. I do however like getting all sexually dominant with women as part of the mix and some anal is a part of that.

    Particularly with a bad girl you’re building a fling with, or a LTR of some sort even if it’s only fuck buddy, it’s pretty much essential these days to do her anal in a big way fairly early to build and cement your dominant stud cred.

    That’s also where’ it’s at these days.

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  186. Aussie Gal–

    from your personality game answers:

    my kind of girl.

    See above re Bhetti and aeofe.

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  187. lovelysexybeauty

    From YOUR personality game answers:

    another of my kind of girl!

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  188. Doug1, sorry man, that’s just incorrect.

    You do agree, at least, that its about treating a woman like a filthy whore for the 30% of straight men doing it. But the whole “anal game” is about getting as many closet cases–re non-normal porn watchers–involved in buying porn.

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  189. on June 2, 2009 at 9:16 pm Conscientious observer

    Men are likely to live longer if they marry a younger woman, new research suggests

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/men_shealth/5426895/Men-live-longer-if-they-marry-a-younger-woman.html

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  190. lurker

    anal sex is poor for women because they don’t have a prostate. Men have prostates, which are stimulated through being banged anally or having a finger up the butt.

    It turns out that the female g-spot is the equivalent of the male prostrate. Some women have no g-spot, some small, and some very large.

    Take a look at http://www.newscientist.com and you’ll see some recent posts about that.

    I think one reason my current GF comes so much must be that she has a huge female prostate. She’d probably love it up the but, even though the thought of it fills her with fear. I haven’t felt much interest though – I’ve got plenty of other dominance themes going on.

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  191. Doug1 — First of all the thing for anal comes directly from porn.

    John Derbyshire once wrote about how getting a blowjob from a girl would have never, in a million years, occurred to him and his pals in their teens. And they were as dirty-minded as anyone. He argued that blowjobs recent “invention,” popularized by porn.

    Same, I guess, with anal, cunnilingus, and and other forms of non-vaginal sex. Which makes me wonder: what imagination-defying sex act will be popular in the future that today would put off even the randiest of us?

    I hear that teenagers have taken to spitting into each others’ mouths.

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  192. He argued that blowjobs recent “invention,” popularized by porn.

    Now that’s just silly.

    And I can tell you anal was popular before the internet also. BECAUSE WOMEN LIKE IT!

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  193. (you could say that pissing, crapping, bestiality, bondage and other such non-standard sex acts might be somethign that “would put off the randiest of us,” but I see them as niche/fetish acts, not somethign that catches on with everyone and becomes a de-rigeur part of regular people’s sexuality)

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  194. Now that’s just silly

    Sure, blowjobs and other things have been around before. But I think Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

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  195. I knew one lady about 17 years ago who was well known to love it up the ass. Girls gossip to each other about these things, so such ideas don’t need any internet to get around.

    Sex acts are talked about, and tried, variously and widely.

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  196. on June 2, 2009 at 9:42 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I’m just very curious to know why she persists in participating here, given the nature of exchanges w/her name in them.

    Perhaps she’s trying to stir up some traffic for her blog?

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  197. I’m just very curious to know why she persists in participating here, given the nature of exchanges w/her name in them.

    She’s simply a younger and more coherent Sara.

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  198. Sure, blowjobs and other things have been around before. But I think Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

    Look, I’m only 43, but I’ve never met anyone who didn’t suck dick during the 1st sex session. That would just be rude.

    Blowjobs have never been considered gross or unusual, as long as I’ve been fucking.

    Anal, sure, that’s getting more popular. Blowjobs? That’s just silly. The man was too young to comment on an era he never experienced.

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  199. PAI hear that teenagers have taken to spitting into each others’ mouths.
    some folks vomit on oneanother.

    @lurker- the 70/30 thing I agree 100%. I find it disgusting and dangerous.

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  200. on June 2, 2009 at 9:46 pm Default User

    PA

    …a younger and more coherent Sara.

    Well more persistent and verbose anyway.

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  201. Xsplat, you may be right about blowjobs, I’m just going by Derb’s accounts of his teenage years in 50s and early 60s England.

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  202. Default – good point. Sara does on occasion show awareness of the maxim “brevity is the soul of wit.”

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  203. on June 2, 2009 at 9:49 pm Default User

    PA

    Well brevity for sure…

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  204. on June 2, 2009 at 9:51 pm Default User

    Obsidian

    I’m just very curious to know why she persists in participating here

    Where else would she find a cool bunch of men like us together in one place?

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  205. on June 2, 2009 at 9:58 pm Tupac Chopra

    Sorry to hijack, but I thought the readers here would find this illuminating. It’s from a recent discussion thread on rec.martial.arts. One of the long-time regulars, who owns a mixed martial arts gym in New England (and who teaches there and has fought competitively himself) got into a discussion about the changing mores of women he has observed. Keep in mind this is someone who has been around the block and seen it all. Or so he thought.

    ————————————-

    i thought so too, but its not that way anymore.now the girls grow up
    on porn too and they’re all whores.
    a young woman joins today, im like “nice to meet you”, within three
    minutes shes talking about how she has a side job running dildo
    parties which i gather is like a tupperware party.
    now the girl was like 23, crazy pretty tight like a cheerleader and
    she vibed intellect and class.then after one conversation where she talks
    about drugs, her many ex boyfriends, naked pictures of her posted
    online and dildos.and she says it thinking nothing of it in a room full
    of mostly men but some women and some children.all the while i said
    nothing to her, i just said “yeah, wow, thats cool” and what not.
    and i barely gave it a thought till right now.but thats the norm and
    its a sea change that has turned society over and who knows where it’ll
    lead? not saying its bad, not saying that there weren’t always
    sluts.but this girl’s a proffesional, some kinda business suit
    profession.and she didn’t say it for shock value.just making
    conversation.
    and many hear yet they pay it little attention then when she’s in the
    ladies room a couple guys are like “so who’s hitting that? if no one
    then im hitting it” and we all laugh, whatever.she may think she said
    “im a proud woman the equal of any man, i dont apologise for who i am,
    i just like to have fun” and some guys maybe heard that.what *i* heard
    was “i am a worthless slut maybe good for 15 minutes fun, but as a
    person i think so little of myself that i can reveal myself completely
    as a whore to strangers who i expect to spend much time with.”
    whatever, not like i care.and i may be a weirdo for saying this, but i
    dont like sluts. i think they’re boring stupid whiney and a waste of
    space. sure sex with strange whores is fun…i barely remember mine but
    if not having sex with em then sluts have no value to me and to
    themselves.
    they think its cool to say they’re bi-curious and put semi nude pics up
    on their facebook but that was true years ago.now the whole dumb slut
    thing is absurdly played out.it has no shock value when a girl starts
    telling me about her dildos, i really should come back with a diatribe
    on taking shits, i could tell em about my last few bowel movements.im
    sure that interests them as much as their weird sex life interests me.
    you know sex is kinda overplayed in the media cause im sitting here
    saying a crazy hot strange woman starts telling me about her sex life
    and i was bored.but its the truth which is pretty sad.
    anyways that’s what my fighters do, more than talk about their
    streetfights, they’re all with different perfect 10s every time i see
    them, and every week its a different one, sometimes they are with one
    some other fighter was with last week and i always wanna say “does it
    bug you that girl youre with has fucked 100 other guys?
    cause im from a time when it would bug me, in fact it did bug me, im
    no puritan far from it, but damn its like musical chairs the entire
    generation seems to fuck every girl that lives in their area.i know
    the numbers say people were always this way, and they were, in my day
    girls lost their virginity earlier, but with i guess what one could
    call club kids, goodlooking 18-24 year olds the superhot girls and the
    athletic young guy types seem to have dozens of pathers a year.which
    to me is kinda unsanitary.and not even sexy, its just kinda gross.and
    most of the girls say theyll get married everntually, and i
    wanna say “so it’ll be like musical chairs and you’ll all just keep
    switching but when you’re 28 you’ll just stop and who you’re with when
    the tune ends you marry.”
    and the dumb sluts, they think they can be a hedonist and still at 28
    marry a doctor? no honey, he won’t wanna marry a 28 whos fucked 500
    guys and who has an iq of 85.
    so again, i disagree, most hot young girls i meet are insanely slutty
    and many have watched so much porn they actually are pretty much like
    the whores you see in it. ok, in real like they dont fuck ron jeremy
    looking guys that aint rich, but they fuck everyone else.

    > I feel 100% the same way.
    >
    > American girls think they can fuck around like a guy for 10 years then
    > “settle down” with a good guy.  Fuck that shit, who the fuck wants
    > some ho who has banged everybody in town?
    >
    > This is why I have pretty much tuned out American girls.  Because they
    > suck.  Totally.

    As i said, there were always sluts, but sluts knew their place, they
    knew they had no worth, they became hookers or welfare moms.now pretty
    college educated women are sluts. A girl joins the gym recently and she
    seems nice and classy, within weeks she had fucked
    4 members.and of course she keeps coming thinking they all dont know
    their friends fucked her too and thinking that every person at the
    gym doesnt know exactly what she did sexually with a guy she just met
    and straight up doesnt like her.one guy was like, “i find her wicked
    annoying and shes not my type physically but she walks over and sez
    “so what are you doing later” so ok, i fuck her in the parking lot,
    treat her like the whore she is, and hear what she left on my voice
    mail” and he plays her crying and begging him to call.this is like two
    days later, then she walks into a room full of men who just heard her voicemail,
    smiling and acting like nothing happened.then in an hour she talks to
    me (girls all talk to me like a girl, which is sad, but im the type of
    guy girls dont screw but they open up to) and shes like
    “hey who was the guy on the heavybag” like making conversation, of
    course its the guy who fucked her and i try and be nice so im like
    “thats such and such you dont wanna know him hes a bad guy to
    women…he really hates girls, bangs a different chick every night,
    ex-con, kinda dangerous” and its true, he’s a friend ,but shady doesn’t
    even decsribe it, he hates girls and women, he SAYS he does.he
    cherishes it.hes proud of it.
    and he was just telling me how this girl swallowed his jizz and
    pissed him off by licking his asshole, and though the girl is pathetic, i
    feel just bad enough to kinda imply to avoid him.but im no fool, i
    know its hopeless.then she brings her friends and sister in and im
    like “why the fuck is this slut introducing people that thinks shes
    shit to her family” but then it hits me, she doesnt know even the guys
    that fucked her think shes shit.
    and i know my mom told my sister many years ago is “men dont respect
    girls that screw guys that dont have feelings for them” and its as
    simple as that really.i could rant on evolutionary psychology and why
    that is breeding strategies and what not, but for whatever reason we
    all know its true.and at least twice just in relation to this: gym girls
    get a bad bad rep and they wind up crying, actually crying to me(im
    that guy who picks up after guys who fuck em, actually i just got
    empathy even for pigs.but fact is that they all say they are just
    young and having fun, and they ARENT having fun.they are trying to be
    paris hilton, they are a complete mess mentally.the only whores that
    are cool with it are the ones that were molested by a stepdad. most of these
    girls WEREN’T.whats funny is the womens movement has made womens lives
    miserable.if i said this to a collge crowd the girls would say “we’re
    just sexually liberated and you cant handle it.” Well its their
    loss.deep down they hate themselves.and yet they’re addicted to the
    quick fix of cheap sex with strangers and just couldnt be happy going
    back to being anything less than a total whore.easy to see how it
    happened, paris hilton, pam anderson celebrirties are sluts so they
    think “i guess people like sluts”.wrong.this girl the other day
    introduced herself then said she worked at the town bank then said she
    was stressed today because some former boyfriend was sending out
    pictures of her naked to all her friends, literally 2 minutes after i
    met her.then i go “well, no one sweats nudity anymore” and she goes,
    “THEY ARE WAY MORE EMBARRASING THAN NUDE….IM DOING THINGS IN THE
    PICS, NASTY THINGS…” and it makes me long for a simpler time, a time
    when whores hung out in the combat zone and didn’t talk so much cause
    they knew no one gave a shit about anything a whore says.

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  206. Ohh, 50s and early 60s England. I thought you meant pre-internet as in the seventies and eighties.

    And rememember as well that porn has been made in film form since film. Us kids would crawl through every nook in our house, and so our parents 35mm porno was watched by the neighbourhood kids. All it takes is one film in a neighbourhood to get a young glimpse of porn. Porn is old.

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  207. Default Alpha:

    haha, nice jokes… “plastic” LOL… “took my car” double LOL;-)

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  208. PA

    Sure, blowjobs and other things have been around before. Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

    I believe French sophisticates and semi sophisticates were doing oral sex WAY before many Brits and others in the Anglosphere were, and in those circles not as such a fetish either, but more a normal part of no hangups sex. BJs were certainly a stock in trade among Parisian whores in Paris in the 20’s and I believe from WW1 and after. There was a lot of mingling between Parisian whores and bohemians / artist intellectual community. Also less commonly but still quite a lot it went both ways (cunnilingus). There was French postcard porn that made it back to America and England on a smuggled basis during and after WWI, based in part upon this. it was considered very shocking.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if both were going on in the Belle Epoch era of France in the 1890’s either. Courtesans and what not. I believe I’ve heard it was. How about at the time of Les Liasons Dangereuse – just before the French revolution? Would master seducer Valmont (John Malkovich) have used oral sex to cement his victory over Michelle Pfeifer? I suspect so. How about Casanova? How about the Romans? Or Egyptians?

    Not an art of the hoi paloi however. Which is what Derb was talking about in England growing up. Still, I do think there was a big diff between France and Italy and Britain on these things for a long time.

    That’s not to say your average Frenchman was doing these things in those eras either.

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  209. on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Tupac – that gym instructor’s narrative sounds like he’s re-telling the plot line to Brave New World.

    Damn, Huxley was prescient.

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  210. Check out Tantric Hindu stone carvings from about 3,000 years ago. Our most ancient ancestors were sleek and horny and had a lot of time on their hands.
    Nothing regarding ways to get off ever be new or surprising.

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  211. PA: I expect it will involve creative use of ipods.

    Doug: well, lovelysexybeauty is definitely my kind of girl. I do not know about the rest. She will convert yet.

    LILGRL: I was teasing more about roissy than the quality of cosmo. I do not know enough about cosmo to make judgements. I read this magazine: http://www.psychologies.co.uk/ (notice, mostly composed of personality tests). Well, ‘read’. I let it languish prettily while being distracted by my Doug obsession and medical education.

    Pop Psychology: Deconstructing Self Exploration of Personality Tests (And Similar)’s Appeal to a Woman:
    1. Health of the self: It is accepted within my education that women generally have a different attitude to health. The reason why the PC Brigade teaches us students this is because we need — the medical professions — need to use it: there are campaigns where even women are targeted to care for the health of their men and persuade him to see the doctor when he needs to. That is what works. Women generally are meant to be vigilant about their health, noting what happens to their bodies earlier and more often. It’s easy to think up biological imperatives for this. Extending this attitude to the mental plane is no hardship, where normal patterns are noted and analysed, so that ‘ill-health’ is noted and corrected.
    2. Self awareness: Now while I am speaking to a male audience that is skewed toward the self-aware spectrum, generally women seem to be conditioned to acknowledging all and everything about themselves. Women have and still remain within a gender role where playing nice and reliable is more advantageous than other strategies. Necessary for this is being aware of how you are perceived and by whom, what your patterns are, comparing it to other women and perhaps men, thus working with it. A woman’s strategy is generally to be liked, to get along, and she must know herself and use this knowledge to do this.
    3. Socialisation: Beyond looks, the self determines many of a female’s options. Once the starting line delineating physical beauty is set — negative points for beauty with other women, positive points for beauty with men — her self is key in determining interactions with other people. Beyond that, she can use the ‘results’ as a form of positive social interaction (what is the first thing one does when getting the results: embed code, share). She gossips, she observes, she cannot afford to make a mistake in partners or girlfriends — she relies on others — therefore she analyses, analyses, analyses. There must be a framework for her analysis, attaching a terminology to perhaps what she intuitively knows: enneagrams, astrology signs, pscyhology.

    To summarise, the real reason why men are not attracted to this? They are naturally social failures.

    The good news? You are not, because you are here and using an interesting framework for social analysis: alpha-beta spectrology. Remember that next time roissy makes a post on a scenario, and your ‘answers’ say how well you know your game and what ‘type’ you are.

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  212. Tupac–

    That thing is so long I haven’t finished it yet but I’m kinda enjoying his rant. Anyway this bit I’m picking out because it keys on something I’ve been meaning to say when the right moment came around again:

    and the dumb sluts, they think they can be a hedonist and still at 28
    marry a doctor? no honey, he won’t wanna marry a 28 whos fucked 500
    guys

    I actually think that men who believe it’s important to not marry a slut, or a clear slut, despite claims of reform (for reasons of true deep love bonding and lesser odds of her cheating on you after a couple of years or even soon in these no fault for women days), should seriously consider hiring a private investigator if they’re getting close to the proposal stage, or maybe after they have. that’s after doing your own screening. Roissy has tips. So have I had.

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  213. Tupac: Moving to Britain was culture shock. I had sources on sex before: textbooks, novels, what not but I don’t think there’s much awareness of how ridiculously prevalent talking about sex is. It seems to be in every program, every billboard, every form of media. It is an experience that you apparently need to have and have early.

    Yeah, women always share wisdom about their bodies and pleasing partners, very much so including the Arab ones.

    A sexual woman is encouraged here. I’ve been shamed and denigrated for it: never been kissed, what do you know, what about when you’re a doctor, you need to try it, why so restrictive, how will you ever please a man and so on, afraid of stones – eh?, family doesn’t love you because it’s not tolerated.

    My friend feels inferior because she is in her twenties and has not had a boyfriend.

    I don’t know why anyone’s surprised when sexual experience is encouraged, rewarded and marketed as attractive. A friend of mine I’d apply the label shameless slut to — simply because she fits the description in that rant — loved men, though. If I go by her example, I would simply lay the blame at the men who would have sex with her and tell her how much they enjoyed it/loved her then in practically the next breath (as soon as her back was turned) tell their friends how much of a slut she was, what she did — which she freely talked about herself, unawares most likely of the denigration happening by all these male friends who treated her so nicely — and how much of a crazy bitch she was otherwise. She would not listen to another woman and only a man saying or doing anything would’ve worked to make her believe anything about curbing her sexual behaviour or at least keeping the bedroom discussions outside of settings which invite contempt.

    She simply loved men, quite outspokenly and vocally preferred them over her own gender, and compared herself to a man regularly. It’s a shame such love was not returned, and not one of the things she called men could actually say what they really thought to her face.

    Just saying a fraction of it makes the waterworks and drama flow, as you guys probably know and can’t cope with.

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  214. Re: men who are not men. Feminism. I know. The PC brigade can suppress and change expression, but not human nature. They still hate sluts but they don’t say it.

    Re: calling men social failures. Bit harsh. Here’s a hug.

    Re: composition and spelling mistakes. Must get enough sleep.

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  215. One could just compile a list of tricks girls should be on the lookout for by reading this blog. Ladies: don’t fall for the sexual con-artist.

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  216. Roissy is excellent in posts like the one preceeding this; when he is analyzing the big picture. This is just awful. Just gay material.

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  217. people who say that a guys who like to give anal to women are gay would have to include a whole bunch more activities as homosexual by that definition.

    how do you explain blowjobs? if a guy likes a BJ from a woman is he gay? the mouth wasn’t “made” to put a penis into it, and men also have mouths.

    explanation?

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  218. For the anal discussion: Everything about some women are attractive, and everything about all men are unattractive. A hot woman’s arse is a turn on just like the rest of her. The look, the firmness, feel of her skin etc.
    Everything about men is a turn off. People who don’t understand this are probably the ones who have njo sex drive and might as well stick to fucking dolls.

    Also, can somebody tell me what the hell is the difference between compliance and comfort?

    Also, here’s a man’s take on the test.

    1. Depends how horny I am.
    2. I would only pick one rose and pluck the thorns off it so I could use it later to stroke her inner thigh…colour doesn’t matter, but I think I would prefer red.
    3. If it was her father at the door I’d talk with hjm so he doesn’t think I’ve come to do naughty things to his daughter.
    4. Bed, of course.
    5. I’d have to wake her up so she could start cooking my breakfast.
    6. Short. I would probably have to go see my other girlfriend.

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  219. @Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter if the girls know the tricks.

    I once told a woman every single thing I would do to her, including that she would be in bed 8 hours after meeting me having sex.

    It’s a dance — if you engage in the steps and the woman is willing, it is all a rationalization to get to the bedroom.

    Does anyone really believe they know anyone well enough after 8 hours to be rationally intimate with someone? Of course not!

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  220. Tupac that man u quoted was ON POINT!

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  221. on June 3, 2009 at 1:11 am You Know I'm Right

    The reason so many hot women prefer alpha males is simple…it’s because they were probably fathered by an alpha.

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  222. lurker

    Why is lady Cumstaine still here? Hasn’t she got work to do castrating her faggot son?

    Hey, go easy on the boy. It isn’t his fault mommy’s a whore.

    The real tragedy is that he isn’t with his dad. Even if daddy is an abusive alcoholic (not like I believe the lying cunt), the kid would be better off with him than with a revolving door who’s likely screwing assorted perverts from time to time.

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  223. i love this song.

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  224. Re Older women and younger men. Even Demi Moore has to put up with cheating. [Kutcher is reputedly notorious on this front.] So too, Madonna.

    When this arrangement “works” it’s because the younger guy wants money/security and some gal to keep his place running, but he will fool around if he can get it. Particularly now, with no limits or guides to behavior.

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  225. Tupac – that gym instructor’s narrative sounds like he’s re-telling the plot line to Brave New World.

    I could use some soma right now. Brave New World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world in certain aspects…

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  226. Sarah I

    A friend of mine married a man 14 years younger last year and they’re both so happy and having the time of their lives. He called me twice today and is going to call when he gets off work at 1:30 a.m. “to see if I’m still up”. He’s a real honey.

    Uhhh…

    Am I reading you right?

    Pretty funny either way. I hope you at least give him a tip for the service.

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  227. on June 3, 2009 at 3:14 am You Know I'm Right

    Yet more proof of the natural inferiority of women – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html – “It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart. .. And while I stand by my initial reason for excluding male employees – because they have an easy ride in TV – if I were to do it again, I’d definitely employ men. In fact, I’d probably employ only men.”

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  228. DA – what a perfect insight into the beta mind you are. In Brave New World everything is controlled by the government. The person doesn’t have to think for themselves, achieve anything, take any risks; just do what they are told. What a perfect slave existence.

    Beta = a male who would intentionally make himself a slave.

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  229. Re: reformed sluts

    a question–do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships?

    is it fair to hold women’s sluttery against them in the current mating milieu?

    i am 39 now (don’t throw up), married and have been in LTR for at least 18 or the last 22 years of my life. when i was in my teens i was in the hardcore/punk scene–i GENUINELY believed sleeping with every guy that caught my eye was an alternative act of cool and a validation of my attractiveness. my parents had been bohemians before me and NEVER told me anything about men, my mom basically gave me instructions on how to be a slut. there was no “dating” in the alternative world–you met someone, clicked, fucked and they either called you and you were bf/gf or they didn’t.

    during the period i was single and in college and law school i went right into the hipster bar pickup scene—i didn’t grasp there was an alternative and NO ONE had ever told me “men don’t like sluts”.

    i have NEVER cheated on a bf or my husband and never would and my ability to bond was never harmed, i only became very self protective after what i NOW understand were a series of pump and dumps–though at the time i thought i was an awesome high sexed woman gathering conquests “just like a man”.

    seems to me a history of slutting AND cheating woul dbe of more value in determining a MODERN womans worth–not that i’m second guessing the men here, who know more about what men want than me.

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  230. other attitudes that might show an inclinition towards cheating would be “you don’t own me”, excessive privacy in her phone, internet usage, boxes in the closet you aren’t allowed to look in etc. an insistence that she MUST be allowed to keep her dick-in-a-glass-case male friends, refusing to dress more modestly at your request.–basically, insisting on still giving the appearance of being on the market and refusing to be owned.

    no matter what i did when single i have always just wanted to be wholly owned by one man–i just didn’t know how to get that because no one in my stupid baby boomer lefty folkie hippy universe growing up felt the need to TELL me.

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  231. do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships?

    Just as boys have been systematically lied to by society, so have girls. I’m sure we all have noticed the blitz of fertility treatment clinic ads on the radio targeted at 40-year-old women.

    The tragedy for women is that their mistakes are less amenable to redemption than men’s. A guy can learn Game at 35. For girls, some mistakes are permanent.

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  232. on June 3, 2009 at 9:19 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Obsidian,

    The older woman/younger guy thing is largely a class issue in the white community. It’s big amongst the lower class. The reason for it is that lower class white women tend to be stubborn control freaks and prefer boys they can lord economic power over.

    The opposite end of that is amongst the upper class here in DC, where you get women going out with men who look like their grandfathers.

    When I was 26, I started dating a 33-year-old woman and got pulled down into the Garbage Class, although I didn’t realize at the time what was happening.

    I’m still recovering. It’s one reason I’m here.

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  233. on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 am Lawyer from Hell

    David Alexander:

    “I could use some soma right now. Brave New World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world in certain aspects…”

    DA, you are absolutely insane.

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  234. on June 3, 2009 at 9:52 am Lawyer from Hell

    Breeze:

    “Also, can somebody tell me what the hell is the difference between compliance and comfort?”

    Compliance is getting the other person to do things for you. The more they do, they more they are likely to do. Its the old salesman technique. Once you get the sucker, I mean customer, to say he wants to buy X car, it’s much easier to get him to buy it. Once he buys the car, its much easier to get him to buy all the little things that go with it, such as the carpet pads, the undercoat, whatever other nonsense that goes with it.

    Each step a person takes down a certain path, the more likely they are to keep going. Get the girl to show her palms, or twirl, or kiss your cheek, each step gets you closer.

    Comfort, is basically reassurance. She feels “safe” to be with you. She feels a connection. It is building rapport. It feeds into compliance. The safer she feels, the more likely she is to comply with requests.

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  235. DBA,
    Hmm, very interesting point you raise wrt Class and how it plays itself out along May-Dec relationship lines in the White community. Never thought of it quite in those terms before. Much appreciated for the insight.

    I just don’t want Women to get ish twisted-I have no problem w/an older Woman seeking a sexual life, more power to her. But she needs to know and understand that there are real limits as to what she can achieve, relative to a similarly aged Man. They simply are not the same, and for all the stiff upper lip rap a lot of Women put out there these days, the harsh, brutal reality is, that most Women don’t wanna end up alone in their waning, if not totally gone, reproductive years.

    Perhaps the single biggest example I can think of along these lines, was the tragic story of novelist Terri McMillan. Her book, How Stella Got Her Groove Back was in large part modelled on her own real life “romance” w/a much younger Man from Jamaica, who later turned out to be gay. Seems he was gaming her to the hilt, and the time she finally caught on it was too late-they were married I think, and he was able to gain residency here in the USA, etc. I recall McMillan being on virtually every venue, clearly she was hurt and aggrieved. But she failed to take her anger out on the parties that mattered, which was/is, the Feminist Lobby; they sold her, and countless numbers of Women, a bad bill of goods.

    McMillan had already pissed off a good number of Brothas for her less than flowery portrayals of Black Men in her books, several of whom would be adapted for the silver screen; after word got out about her misadventure in Jamaica, she became all but radioactive. Today, no Brotha that I’m aware of wouldn’t touch her w/a ten foot pole.

    As w/so many things in life, there are always tradeoffs; I think Men understand this moreso than do Women on average, because for the vast majority of Men, we understand that getting laid ain’t easy. For Women, until they hit the wall, getting laid is child’s play. No one told them, that when their time runs out and they’re standing alone, that the very same Men who they rejected and mocked earlier, don’t want anything to do with them-and that more often than not, the youngbucks they get, perceive them to be desperate. I done lost count as to the number of de facto giggolos recount stories of “juicing” some older broad.

    Sad.

    O

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  236. http://www.fmylife.com/love/968099
    “Sounds like he should have said this a long time ago if that was really how he’d felt this whole time. He was using you! What a total asshole. Him telling you he loves you is the worst part.

    Enjoy the freedom of being single, or find a better guy who doesn’t do the same things as this guy. (And ignore the comment by #10- most guys don’t care if a girl is “relatively innocent” unless they are the same way themselves, they want to have the upper hand, they have a virgin fetish, or they’re just totally chauvinistic and believe they can sleep around all the want but a girl who’s had sex is a slut.)”

    I think this woman’s ‘unless’ possibly covered the whole male population.

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  237. on June 3, 2009 at 10:21 am Days of Broken Arrows

    O,

    A few months ago Roissy posted as story I sent it that showed the whole cougar thing was a media myth. Here is the link: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/all-the-lonely-cougars/

    Beyond that, I’d worry more about the guys wasting their prime years with older women than the reverse.

    Most of the women going for younger guys are single moms with little future time orientation, so their lives are a wate anyway. It’s the younger guys who get screwed because they naively believe the women’s intentions are good and that it’s no biggie to raise another man’s kid.

    If I ever told the story of my twenties here, people would probably faint. I was an unknowing Alpha at 25, with a passel of 18-21 year olds at my disposal. But my Catholic upbringing haunted me, and I felt I needed a “real” relationship and a child, so I went out with an older woman who seemed nice enough…

    As I said, I’m still in recovery. But I will never, ever be the fun person I was at 25. I may be more knowledgable now, but I’m bitter and you can’t hide that.

    Warn your young brothers of all races about this, my friend!

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  238. A guy can learn Game at 35. For girls, some mistakes are permanent. (PA)

    ouch!

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  239. Anal: 1.
    That said; Does anal get shit on your dick?

    Why Yes, sort of. A tiny bit. Or a bit more, in particular if she is a dirty little bird. What’s worse is the smell. I am quite hygenic, and the normal vaguly musty odor emminating from many girl’s anuses is disturbing. Now root around in there for a bit, and you disturb things better left undisturbed.

    This scent reminds me that the sole biological purpose of an anus is to eject faeces therefrom. And particularly with younger women, hygene seems to be slipping…

    Lube + residual faecal matter + white sheets + a woman with poor hygene = Horror show.

    2. That said, it’s rather dominant and enjoyable from the standpoint of a pure power play.

    It’s a power dominance, surrender, submission thing. In a way it’s kind of flattering for a formerly uptight girl to beg you to slide your erect cock deeply inside of her rear end.

    Nothing expresses pure utter surrender like a woman bending over for a man she loves and spreading herself.
    The visual stimulus is similar to taking a woman doggy style. An intensely savage and wanton instinct want you to do her in the ass.. It is tighter, but this is a quantity vs. quality thing.

    With this in mind, I object to anal, and am convinced that traditional religious and cultural taboos against sodomy were on to something.

    On sheer aesthetic grounds and principle alone, I dislike sodomy. It’s one of those decadent little things that feels mostly only enjoyable for the sake of breaking a long held taboo. Like sex behind a place of worship, or at a graveyard. It’s hotness factor is mainly because it is a taboo.

    Though some manual anal play is enjoyable for just about all women, particularly if done right. Particularly if she’s never had anyone even think about gently, softly, caresseing her there with his fingers, while making love to her. There are a lot of nerve endings there , it is something new to her and can send little electric shocks through her.

    There is something endearing about a woman who has not been completely debauched in every way possible.

    The anus is tighter than a vagina, but for the most part something is lacking. Disturbingly lacking. A vagina is the natural place for a man to enter. It naturally lubricates itself, and swells with joy at his approach, it opens like a flower and greedily engulfs his manhood. It seems to have a mind of its own. Entering it you feel it flutter and throb and expand and contract.

    Vaginas are friendly little things.

    “God done made dem vaginers thar for a reason”

    The whole cultural thing with anal seems unnatural to me. The amount of prep (lube, cleanliness, getting her to relax) that is needed to even make it enjoyable points to how unnatural it is.

    It is a taboo to break once or twice in one’s life before realizing it’s not all its cracked up to be. Like doug1 pointed out, porn made it in vogue in the 90’s. The whole vogue with it is MASSIVELY socially engineered.

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  240. on June 3, 2009 at 11:14 am too late for romance

    I don’t know who you are buggering, but it sounds like you need to up your hygienic standards.

    If you find anal sex unnatural, whatever in the fuck that means, then don’t do it.

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  241. Massively socially engineered by homosexuals who wanted to break the taboo on anal sex to justify their activities.

    i am convinced of this.

    the SWPL video store i worked at had a gay porn buyer, the straight porn wall went from normal pneumatic blonde porn to gonzo, fetish anal and pee porn overnight.

    every normalized perversion exist to justify the gay lifestyle.

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  242. [email protected]
    ““I could use some soma right now. Brave New World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world.”

    You’re joking.

    Right?

    That settles it, Men, stop eating soy, eliminate the high fructose corn syrup, and break your Playstation. Throw it out the window.

    This is my sole warning.

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  243. Kamal: I have two broken playstations on my windowsill.

    Anyway, a Wii’s not so bad.

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  244. Kamal–

    What’s behind your dire soy warnings, which you’ve made before?

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  245. on June 3, 2009 at 11:35 am Tupac Chopra

    This scent reminds me that the sole biological purpose of an anus is to eject faeces therefrom.

    Kamal, you have a way with words.

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  246. on June 3, 2009 at 11:36 am Tupac Chopra

    Soy reduces testosterone in males.

    The risk may be overblown, but it’s there.

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  247. [email protected]

    I’ve suspected something along these lines for a bit of time, but cannot find any real evidence to support it. I chalk away such thoughts in the back of my mind to contemplate over cups of coffee in late night diners..

    “a question–do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships?”

    Yes.

    This is the whole point I think of Roissy’s blog, males and females, men and women, alike I think have been socially engineered, purposefully OR not (I’m willing to consider it an accidental side effect of some things… but I don’t really think so) to be simply increasingly incapable of forming authentic relationships and connections with each other.

    “is it fair to hold women’s sluttery against them in the current mating milieu?

    i am 39 now (don’t throw up), married and have been in LTR for at least 18 or the last 22 years of my life. when i was in my teens i was in the hardcore/punk scene

    Hardcore scene girls always were cuties, strategically ripped Minor Threat T-shirts, doc martins, tight thriftstore black jeans with patches, purposefully unkempt half shavenhair . Good god almighty, I thought I’d exorcised the ghosts of those past memories….

    Punk scenes are meat markets, idealistic youthful meat markets with poor hygene, but meat markets all the same.

    Just another iteration of Bohemia, Western cultures recycle this stuff endlessly except in today’s world someone’s figured out how to make a lot of money off it. But the general underground youth subculture, whether you have hipsters, hardcore kids, gutter crust punk squatter kids, goth scenes, industrial music scenes, rave kids, hippies, beatniks, bhoemians, or various iterations of the same basic tendency of Western culture to nurse pockets of safely channeled rebellion and dissent into small clannish meat markets centered around some form of artistic expression.

    There’s always 2 or 3 bad boys who simply don’t give a damn about, well, much of anything, wallowing in mountains of poon and all of the other guys in the scene slink around resentfully trying to chum up to their crushes by spouting off the latest PC bullshit and taking out their sexual frustrations by excessive pogo and slam dancing. Sweartagodallmighty every punk scene I’ve seen from ’87 to, well, today has been like this…

    Anyway, to your point. This is the tragedy of it all, our culture sanctions and enforces, increasingly, a sexual and romantic culture that mutually conditions men and women alike in ways that seem almost calculated to deprive both of love, while maximizing benefits for certain parties, and producing an unstable family regime in the process.

    Can’t figure out why exactly but I have my suspicions, your earlier point a thread or two ago about early feminism. I really encourage you to lookup some of the early utopian sexual thinkers, the Free love movement for example. And some of the early circles of English and American feminists. They often dove-tailed with socialist circles, in particular later on the Fabian society or its offshoot circles.

    There is something in all of this that is really fascinating and, I think, explains a lot of the ways our culture romantically and sexually evolved up to today.

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  248. Tupac–

    Does this mean I have to cut out soy sauce? Or does this only arise with large junks of soy as one’s meat substitute?

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  249. [email protected]
    “Kamal, you have a way with words.”

    It’s a curse.
    And a burden.

    About soy, yes, I agree with you. Sometimes I exaggerate this stuff. …

    But I have a sneaking suspicion that later research will reveal even worse things, that the cumulative effects are augmented in genetically manipulated soy, and in conjunction with all of the other crap floating in our food environment I’m afraid of some really, bad, funky synergy.

    Like, for instance, bispheonal A, they are finding this stuff in, well, just about everything. And melamine. And numerous other chemical compounds with estrogenic properties. Natural phytoestrogens do abound, hell coffee’s a phytoestrogen and I’m not about to give it up. (Not coffee, better pried from my cold dead vice-like hands..)

    And I suspect that a lot of things are a matter of proportion, just like with fats, 30 years ago science didn’t know quite how useful many fats were, so we were all sold a false bill of goods about getting rid of all saturated fats, etc. Now we know that things are different.

    But in general, I think that phytoestrogens may have some role to play, when you mix up a difficult upbringing and culture that tries to neuter us before we even reach Jr. high, in creating a culture of quiet desperate emasculated young men, and hyper-sexed slutty girls, both of whom really want love but are conditioned to not be able to find it with each other..

    I dig trains too. And long night drives. But I enjoy a warm woman more. I stopped eating soy around 8 years ago. And am not looking back.

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  250. Aussie Gal – “That is because our logic uses emotion and gut feeling as well as reason. Men will never understand, but then again, I don’t think you would want to!”

    What a load of B.S. If you’re using emotion and gut feeling it isn’t logic. That’s called intuition. Stop kidding yourself. The rules of logic aren’t malleable. Emotion will get in the way of logic. Which is why women are so good at rationalizing their amoral decisions.

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  251. I dig trains too. And long night drives. But I enjoy a warm woman more. I stopped eating soy around 8 years ago. And am not looking back.

    Kamal, if you had written that with line breaks between each sentence, you’d sound like G-Manifesto.

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  252. His style is infectious.

    I catch myself doing this too.

    Locked & loaded sentence fragments.

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  253. Sarsen: Men are much better at rationalisation thanks to logic and compartmentalisation.

    Try again.

    Or maybe I will for you:
    When you don’t feel it’s wrong, and it is emotions that rule you, you don’t particularly care. For men: That is where “manly” principles, increased testosterone/anger (well, someone did that to ME before so I’m not going to do it!) or what-have-you come into play.

    For women: rationalisation usually occurs after the fact and not before it. She may give you reasons, but that is not what she was thinking of at the time. Men seem to manage their moral quibbles before the action.

    All generalisation and theory, of course.

    Your assumption that men are somehow naturally more moral has no basis. Humans are not logical creatures. You can give a computer some data and it will give you a non-emotional conclusion, but give to a man or woman, and they single out or interpret what gives emotional triggers to them. Both.

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  254. “..I hear that teenagers have taken to spitting into each others’ mouths…”

    Dear God.
    That is remarkably vile.

    Could someone younger on here confirm or deny this? There, you’ve done it, you have finally made me feel like an old man. For the first time in my life.

    I will never be able to look at 18 year olds in the same way again. Thus has been removed, a small tiny bit of joy from my life.

    [email protected]
    “don’t believe the hype, ladies. Many older Men have sexual stamina going away to bed.

    I’ve said it before and it bears repeating-if you take care of yourself, watch your weight, refrain from drink and drugs, etc., as a Man, you can fuck for life….”

    Yeah, at 34 going on 35 I’m stronger, wiser, more intelligent, better read, more cultured, much better in bed (I can furnish testimonials) and, yes, have better stamina than when I was 25.
    The fact that I still look like I’m 25 is an added plus (I used to get mistaken for 18 before my Dad died.. that put a couple of years on my face, and facial hair)

    Every woman’s entitled to her preferences. Most women I’ve met prefer older men. This is for a reason. We simply, well, just keep getting better. Like cheese, or wine.

    Well, most cheeses anyway.

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  255. Kamal & Tupac

    I want answers!!

    Does this soy effect extend down to the small/tiny amounts of soy in soy sauce?

    I mean when someone is using soy as a main meat substitute is a vast difference in quantity. Vast.

    The thing is I LIKE soy sauce. As in every other day.

    So far A OK, but there’s some things one can’t be too careful about.

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  256. Doug, just google “soy and testosterone.”

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  257. Doug: What’re you worried about? Your individual testosterone level is clearly fantastic. If it was going to have a palpable effect, it would have by now. Your genetics and temperament is probably immune. Enjoy your sauce.

    I wish I could recommend soy products to get the oestrogen [UK spelling] up for women.

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  258. on June 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm Tupac Chopra

    I wouldn’t worry about soy sauce, but then again I’m no expert.

    Why don’t you ask Bhetti?

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  259. Tupac: lol.

    I expect the effects are more important population-wide and more important in things like oestrogen-fed tumours. But it’s not nearly big enough.

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  260. on June 3, 2009 at 12:51 pm Marcus Aureliette

    But I think Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

    They weren’t unheard of even in Chaucer’s day. People have been doing these things forever, they just didn’t used to talk about them openly.

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  261. I have recently been reading that fermentation does alter soy somewhat.
    and the quantities are small, compared to a patty full of the stuff.

    I’m leaving the jury out on it, because I really like soy sauce, and I really want an excuse to start consuming it again.

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  262. Bhetti,

    You are full of shit. You are also inferring a lot of things that I never assumed or said. You’re then one with those assumptions. I never made the assumption or said men don’t rationalize. I also never said or assumed that men are more moral.

    Since your reading comprehension skills are obviously challenged I’ll spell it out for you. There are not different kinds of logic. The rules of logic are the same for everyone. Since the majority of people are morons, they don’t understand what logic is and what it is not. Logic has nothing to do with morals.

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  263. Sarsen:
    Discussions of logic, its relation to morality and misuse of the word aside, I was focusing on this: “Which is why women are so good at rationalizing their amoral decisions.” Ergo, men aren’t as good at rationalisation or men aren’t as amoral,or both.

    From what you’re saying, you don’t seem to actually agree with that.

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  264. on June 3, 2009 at 1:57 pm Seeking Alpha

    I wonder if the soy thing isn’t a correlation vs. causation mistake. Any guy who gives up burgers and steaks for a soy patty voluntarily is half-a-nancy already.

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  265. Bhetti –

    Yes, in my opinion, women are better at rationalizing then men, but there’s no way to objectively measure whether women or men do it more often or who is better at it. There is only imperfect experience.

    Your mileage may very.

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  266. very should be vary.

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  267. 99.9% of your genes evolved when we ate meat, berries, nuts, and fish.

    Now why do you think there are so many fat, freakish warpigs and men with manboobs and bad postures?

    Internet+cars+processed foods+corn fed beef = Today’s health epidemic, obesity.

    I doubt that vikings hung out and chomped on soy burgers and discussed computer software.. They fucking ate meat, raped and pillaged.

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  268. They weren’t unheard of even in Chaucer’s day.

    Oral sex only became an attractive option in an age of daily baths and showers. Napoleon Chagnon remarks that oral sex was unthinkable among the Yanomamo he studied.

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  269. on June 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm Seeking Alpha

    Finally checked the MySpace. Definitely a ‘6’. Don’t be offended though Raine. We don’t grade to a curve here. A ‘6’ is a semi-cute girl. Kinda cute. A ‘7’ is ‘adorable’ bordering on ‘hot’. Do you reaaally think you’re adorable bordering on ‘hot’? Let’s be realistic.

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  270. on June 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm Seeking Alpha

    Young Lady, I don’t care much for your self esteem one way or another. In case you’re curious, face matters more than body, and you don’t have a great one. Not a terrible one, but not great either. Hence the rating.

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  271. on June 3, 2009 at 3:22 pm Seeking Alpha

    Just so long as the note has been made.

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  272. on June 3, 2009 at 3:33 pm Seeking Alpha

    collegeboy – That seems a little seedy. It isn’t hard to find. It is two clicks and no typing from here.

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  273. Seeking Alpha–

    Finally checked the MySpace. Definitely a ‘6′. Don’t be offended though Raine. We don’t grade to a curve here. A ‘6′ is a semi-cute girl. Kinda cute. A ‘7′ is ‘adorable’ bordering on ‘hot’.

    Come on SA buddy, be fair. Yeah we both agree she’s a 6. I’d say a solid 6, and maybe for some tastes a high one.

    However your description of a 6 is harsh. They’re usually called cute. Clearly cute. Or “pretty” in a weak sort of way, as in if pressed, kinda pretty. As well I call 7’s hot. Not sizzling, but hot. (I.e. I’d do them, other things being ok. But I wouldn’t just REALLY want to do them, unless they’re fab people.)

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  274. on June 3, 2009 at 4:22 pm Seeking Alpha

    Doug – We’re pretty close. I’d say six is kinda cute. Seven is really cute. Eight is hot. Nine is GODDAMN she’s hot.

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  275. Lady Rain

    Enjoy your preference for young pups, and focus primarily on handsomeness (if combined with tatoos). They are unusual for a woman in her late twenties, but enjoy them. More power to you.

    Look it up and double check me, but specifically the age MEN reach their “sexual peak” is 18 and WOMEN’s sexual peak is reached at age 40.

    Men reach their horniness peak at 18 and women somewhere around 40, TYPICALLY. In each case, but especially in women, there’s quite a lot of variability. Bell curves for everything biological, or nearly everything. As is commonplace, young men typically cum quickly but have a short refractory period, while longer men can last longer, but take a longer time to recover. When a man’s testosterone level is high, he may recover quite quickly in his 40s.

    Men don’t reach their peak ability to give women sexual pleasure at 18 however, or anything close e.g. 22, except for a small minority of women who typically want to be in quite a controlling role, though not necessarily an out and out domme. I.e. she may want to domme from the bottom. Strong body and big cock, controlled by her. In fact men typically reach their ability to give the biggest sexual thrills much later than 18 or 22 if they keep in shape and e.g. lift, etc., and if they’ve learned well from experience as opposed to poorly. Of course that’s by most women’s tastes. You’re very unusual.

    Men don’t plateau forever though. When they begin to decline, generally slowly if they keep in shape, will depend not only on the man but also the woman’s mix of tastes. If they were high enough at their peak though, they can still be way up there for a long time. No man is going to be at his sexual peak except for unusual female tastes (BDSM for example perhaps) at 65 or probably 55 either. He might be at 40 and not much lower at 45 for a lot and maybe even most women in their late 20s and older.

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  276. on June 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm Dave from Hawaii

    DA – You want some soma? Just go to any doctor and tell them your depressed and they’ll be happy to give you a prescritption of the Pharmaceutical Industries iteration of Soma…paxil, zoloft, welbutrin…it might make you a little less angry when you rail against all of the guys here that try to shame you into manning up. Of course, it won’t cure what ails you, only make you not care. Doing so would only make your metaphorical embrace of the Brave New World reality complete.

    Kamal et al, RE: Soy

    Yes, soy is chock full of phytoestrogens that have been linked to elevated estrogen levels and supressed testosterone levels. It’s effects are especially deleterious when it’s fed to infants. Some studies show that a gestating mother eating a heavy soy diet has a high probability for a boy child to be born with a genital defect.

    It’s also highly suspected that the ubiquity of soy in the food supply is responsible for the trend of menarche (entering puberty at such young ages as 8-10) in American girls.

    Yes, fermentation of natural soy renders those pytoestrogens harmless, so it’s ok to eat naturally fermented products like soy sauce, natto, tempeh and miso.

    But if you look at any processed food product in the grocery stores across the country, you will find soy in just about every single product there is. Soybean oil. Soy lecithin. Hydrolized soy protein.

    All of that shit was never in the food supply until roughly 15-20 years ago…when soy surpassed corn as the largest crop produced by the world’s largest, multi-national corporations.

    They needed to find markets for their highly profitable, easily raised and harvested crop that could be used in an almost endless variety of ways…as long as they could market it as a “health” food and an adequate, plant based replacement for meat as a healthy protein source.

    And unless a soy based product specifically says it’s “organic,” chances are the soy products you are consuming are the genetically modified versions created specifically to absorb copious quantities of Roundup herbicide. This of course results in a much higher yield from every crop…yet on a molecular level, the soy from the GMO fields have round up residual that you’re eating. I don’t know about you, but a cocktail of phytoestrogens and RoundUp doesn’t sound nutritionally optimal, now doesn’t it?

    Check out soyonlineservice.co.nz.

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  277. Dave from Hawaii–

    Yes, fermentation of natural soy renders those pytoestrogens harmless, so it’s ok to eat naturally fermented products like soy sauce, natto, tempeh and miso.

    Pheww. I wasn’t liking the idea of ANY effect even theoretical from my soy sauce serious fondness. Miso soup, which I have fairly rarely but like, is ok then?

    But if you look at any processed food product in the grocery stores across the country, you will find soy in just about every single product there is. Soybean oil. Soy lecithin. Hydrolized soy protein.

    I eat very little processed food other than some sauces (e.g. salsa, mustard, ok catchup sometimes, bad doug), sometimes ranch dressing, and have for a long time, as part of my low carb thing. I avoid bread, though I can’t say never there. Preferentially I like rye bread though, when I do rarely indulge. What kinds of bread do they put it in usually? Also just about my only oil is olive oil of different quality for different things.

    What non obvious places does this evil emasculating substance appear? One has to consider the future.

    Is soy good for making women who are not pregnant or breast feeding a boy feel more feminine?

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  278. on June 3, 2009 at 6:59 pm Tupac Chopra

    Default:

    Logic on its own is a very dry and barren thing.

    Kind of like Lady Rain’s soul.

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  279. on June 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm Dave from Hawaii

    What non obvious places does this evil emasculating substance appear? One has to consider the future.

    Basically anything that has “vegetable oil” in it. Your ranch dressing. Just about all brands of Mayo. Most bread uses soybean oil. It’s literally in every fucking thing nowadays. Maybe it has it’s own part in the increasing feminization of men and spread of homosexuality…who knows? The only thing for sure is that 20 years ago, soy was a novelty condiment from Asia….and is now in almost everything. A literal, wholesale change in the food supply.

    Just about any kind of mainstream restaurant that fries anything nowadays has soybean oil in it.

    Prior to the mid-80’s, all fast food joints fried their fare in lard or tallow…but the vegan/vegetarians (useful idiots for the Big-Agri, vegetable oil producers IMO) made a huge public protest when they supposedly “found out” that McD’s was using animal based fat to fry their foods, “tricking” them into eating animal products.

    Since that time, just about every single restaurant, from the cheapest fast food dive to the high end expensive ones all use “Vegetable Oil.” It’s the cheapest, mass produced oil.

    Unless a high end restaurant is using a specific oil like Extra Virgin Olive Oil (mediterranean restaurants), it’s a virtual certainty that anything fried or deep fried is most likely done in soybean oil.

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  280. chic: sistah, you still don’t get it, and you’ve been here longer than me.

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  281. Just about all brands of Mayo.

    And to think, I’ve been eating mayo nearly everyday for 20 years with my sandwiches.

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  282. get what schoolboy?

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  283. on June 4, 2009 at 2:43 am Days of Broken Arrows

    The idea of men hitting their sexual peak at 18 is an urban myth.

    I’m not sure why people are repeating this — besides lack of education, that is.

    Below is a link to a Men’s Health article explaining why this idea is wrong — and a few other things. Also, any guy that has lived through his twenties know the “peaking at 18” thing is a lie:

    http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=sex.relationships&category=couples&conitem=184a99edbbbd201099edbbbd2010cfe793cd____

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  284. @ Bhetti: Logic and reason are superior to emotion and feelings. Logic and reason are the tools of civilisation and are what seperates us from animals. Anyone who tries to say emotion and feelings are equal to, or superior than, logic or reason is someone who is looking to reduce people to simpering idiots who run around acting spontaneously according to their feelings, such as animals or young children.

    And morals concern principles. Someone is moral if they adhere to consistent principles of what they consider right or wrong. Most people adopt the moral codes of other people, but some form their own. However, you cannot adhere to a code of morals without reason. You must always examine your actions and motives to see if they fulfil your criteria for morality. Obviously emotions and feelings help in this. If something feels wrong or right, doesn’t mean it is, but it means you should stop and reflect on why you have these feelings.

    And men are more reasonable and logical than women. The reason Game works so well is because of this. This is also the reason that thugs and criminals are better with women. They are more likely to do something stupid out of anger, or because they desire something, instead of using their reason and reflecting on whether their action is foolish. Thus they are more emotive and can easily lead women by their emotions, and thus get laid easier.

    EVERYONE ELSE: Why do you feel the need to argue with LR. Let her post whatever self justifying bullshit will help her sleep at night. None of us know her in real life. Convincing her that her life is fucked up and reality is going to take a big bite out of her arse may give you a small buzz, but it is really a waste of time. Just ignore her and concentrate on bettering your own life.

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  285. on June 4, 2009 at 5:46 am You Know I'm Right

    “Like doug1 pointed out, porn made it in vogue in the 90’s. The whole vogue with it is MASSIVELY socially engineered.”

    Yup, widespread acceptance of the disgusting practice of sodomy has been socially engineered to be popular by the sickening KIKES who own and run the American porn industry.

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  286. I did your test. Turns out that I’m half a slut, half a keeper. I’m so confused. Am I schizophrenic?

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  287. Breeze: I hope I did not say emotions were equal to or superior in making moral decisions. I’m saying men are emotional too and very capable of hiding behind reason when making their share of amoral decisions.

    The prejudice against men as amoral creatures is in your own phraseology: the amoral fact as best as society measures it is that men = criminals and thugs. This is all based on what makes up on views of what makes up ‘amoral’ or does not.

    I don’t really think any gender is particularly superior that way, or more capable of moral decision. Each gender has its crimes that it is prone to, based on the balance of their own characteristic vulnerabilities.

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  288. on June 12, 2009 at 2:47 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Just for fun I have asked these questions of several women.

    I have come to the conclusion that if they hesitate for even a moment on the rose question and then respond ten white and ten red, that is in fact an all white rose answer.

    I have called them on it and asked what the first response was going to be and they invariably confess twenty white.

    and yes it does correspond with their personalities.

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  289. […] July 4, 2009 douchev I enjoy it when other human beings are in pain.  Don’t get the wrong idea – it’s not in a Jeffrey Dahmer/Charles Manson/Hannibal Lecter/Adolf Hitler sort of way.  No, to me, enjoying other people in pain is one of the characteristics of being SO FUCKING ALPHA. […]

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  290. Pretty funny story. I think women love to hear you do psychoanalysis stuff like this!

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  291. Wait, PA does not know that women are creatures like any other, and that what they eat must come out eventually?

    He might not have had sex with a woman (hence the belief that they don’t have rectal apertures), but surely he has seen a woman eat before..

    So why is he claiming that women don’t take shits?

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  292. […] “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who break your heart.” [Use as part of love test routine.] […]

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  293. […] rapport building routines (either the love test or the […]

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  294. […] “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who break your heart.” [Use as part of love test routine.] […]

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  295. on May 16, 2010 at 5:05 pm Reality Check

    I enjoyed making her wince with pain during anal sex.

    So the self-styled Beta Avenger enjoyed making her feel pain as punishment for “flaws” which, given the dubious validity of the test, may not even exist. Yet, the very fact that she even let you make her wince demonstrates that she doesn’t have said “flaws.” Your interminable love affair with circular reasoning demonstrates how much perspicacity you expect of your fawning fanboys.

    The only thing this routine demonstates is that you’re full of $hit. This “love test” was featured in YM magazine, which was the most widely read teen girl magazine, almost 10 years ago. It’s also pretty ubiquitous on the interwebz. Given these facts, it’s pretty unlikely you’re gaming “girls” under the age of 30. Of course, it’s also quite possible that the girls you’re “gaming” are illiterate, antisocial hicks who live under a rock.

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  296. Used this one last night. Worked like a charm. Heh.

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  297. […] 8, 2010 by culdcept Roissy posted this a while back: The Love Test: A Routine. Do this on the first date or the first time you meet a girl as you are building rapport. I finally […]

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  298. I was reading this post this morning in bed next to my wife of twenty years and gave her the test.  Her answers: 

    Short
    15 red 5 white
    Bring him to the door
    Bed
    Asleep
    Long

    I enjoyed making her wince with pain during anal sex.

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  299. […] pretty Persian Girl walk by and give chase. I open direct and she hooks well. Right away I go into Roissy’s love test and she’s lapping it up – first time I’ve ever done it. We chat about ten […]

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  300. huh, i have read this before. Its a personality test, good job implementing it for game purposes. Some of the answers and conclusions are changed though to meet the game needs.

    I would use it rather original.

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  301. […] value elicitation can be in the form of a routine, or asked as standalone questions. Take care to listen to her answers, because that is going to […]

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