6%

According to this study, your chance to get a bang with a speed-dating partner is 6%. Your chance to have a relationship with a speed-dating partners is 4%. (Unclear from the study abstract whether that means you have a 6% chance at the start of a speed-dating event, or whether that 6% refers to the subset of speed-dating partners who have agreed to go out with you.)

We studied initial and long-term outcomes of speed-dating over a period of 1 year in a community sample involving 382 participants aged 18–54 years. They were followed from their initial choices of dating partners up to later mating (sexual intercourse) and relating (romantic relationship). Using Social Relations Model analyses, we examined evolutionarily informed hypotheses on both individual and dyadic effects of participants’ physical characteristics, personality, education and income on their dating, mating and relating. Both men and women based their choices mainly on the dating partners’ physical attractiveness, and women additionally on men’s sociosexuality, openness to experience, shyness, education and income. Choosiness increased with age in men, decreased with age in women and was positively related to popularity among the other sex, but mainly for men. Partner similarity had only weak effects on dating success. The chance for mating with a speed-dating partner was 6%, and was increased by men’s short-term mating interest; the chance for relating was 4%, and was increased by women’s long-term mating interest.

This is from an interesting blog called Barking Up The Wrong Tree, a sort of warehouse of various studies examining human behavior. “Choosiness increased with age in men, decreased with age in women” made me LOL. Yep, when looks is all you can bring to the dating market, it’s no surprise you become more desperate the older you get. Also no surprise that older men with higher social status than when they were younger, become choosier. Proof that it’s better to be a man than a woman as you get older.

It strikes me that this study would be a good way to scientifically test the merits of game. You could arrange a speed dating event with AFCs (average frustrated chumps), tally their success rate at getting dates and bangs, and then have the same group of men spend three months learning game and then repeating the speed-dating experiment with them to see if their date and bang rate improve. It’s not a perfect experiment, (obviously, the group of women at the follow-up speed-dating event would be different), but it could give a glimpse into how much improvement one could expect from game. I think most men currently on the fence about the efficacy of systematic pickup would happily learn game if it meant a doubling from 6% to 12% in their lay rate.

The 6% number suggests that speed-dating as a form of meeting women kind of sucks, but it may compare favorably to meeting women in bars if the bar lay rate is less than 6%. That would be another hypothesis to test; I suspect speed-dating, because it attracts the desperate dregs of womanhood, has a higher lay rate, but that is small comfort to the man who prefers fucking girls who still have the glow of youth. A 6% lay rate with cougars, or a 3% lay rate with kittens? I think I know which success rate most men would prefer.





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  1. kittens!!!

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  2. The women attending, having exhausted other options for meeting guys, are generally primarily interested in money. Either they just don’t want to work or they seek security in their lives that comes with a provider.

    They will “hold out” when they find a good catch if they think they can get away with it, as they try to increase their chances at getting something stable. Unfortunately that goes against the entire “next” side-effect of Speed Dating. I’d say that the 6% (which seems quite low but not unsurprising to me) is because of the women who are attracted to these kind of events.

    AA

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  3. 6% may seem good compared to the 1% in bars, but I think it’s actually a lot worse. In bars, you approach only those you want to. Speed dating means you approach everyone, regardless. And from that 6% number, we really don’t know if the lays were for girls that the guys really wanted, or just because they could…

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  4. on October 22, 2010 at 11:35 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Women at speed dating events, 1. do not have a boyfriend, 2. are actively seeking a guy. If one or both of those conditions were not true, she would be home feeding her cats.

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  5. OT:

    prenups now worth it in Britain:

    The heiress at the centre of a landmark £100 million divorce battle accused her ex-husband of infidelity and ‘greed’ yesterday.
    Katrin Radmacher said her former husband had only married her for money, and admitted that she had been blinded by love.
    Miss Radmacher, 41, one of Europe’s wealthiest women with a fortune estimated at £109 million, made legal history this week when the Supreme Court ruled her prenuptial contract should be binding.
    Nicolas Granatino, 39, had tried to win £9.2million from the German paper industry heiress in the divorce courts, despite having signed an agreement that he would make no financial claim if their relationship failed.
    Their landmark Supreme Court ruling this week has effectively made prenup deals legally binding in England, sweeping aside centuries of tradition that a married couple share all their property.
    Miss Radmacher said the judgment marked the end of a ‘four-year nightmare’. ‘Looking back, I don’t think he would have married me if I didn’t have a penny,’ she said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322583/Prenup-heiress-Katrin-Radmacher-Nicolas-Granatino-interested-millions.html?ITO=1490

    so a woman has now screwed it up for the other women lol

    PS- of course you never know when equality means that men’s prenups are still shiat.

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  6. A lot of women who go to these events say they’re just there for a lark, but given that the events are set up to favor them (the men run around trying to impress them) and it can be kind-of amusing to be there with your friends, it’s also another chance to score a good male.

    I read a study once that said that these events are great for boosting women’s self-esteem. We can all guess why.

    And our culture only really talks about “dating” from the female perspective, and nowhere is this more true than when talking about things like speed dating. It’s always all about how great or not it is – for women.

    If you can spin it, I’m going to guess that you can make it pretty good for men, too – but the trick is–

    Look like you *could* give the woman what they want. And then hold it out on them, to make them do the cute dance: why should the men be the ones displaying all the time?

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  7. “Choosiness increased with age in men, decreased with age in women”

    Lol. I laughed when I read that too…..

    6% doesn’t seem to bad, considering this is mostly filled with betas and chumps.

    Then again, the women are probably older and more desperate.

    I’ll stick to trying to learn/copy from guys like Roosh and Krauser….

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  8. Dating auctions are the next thing in the world of these types of events. Complete with an auctioneer reading off the measurements and answers to a profile.

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  9. Match.com is 10%

    5000 Emails
    500 Responses
    50 Dates
    5 Bones

    >7, <30, 3x min., <$1/day, over 9 mos

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  10. But.. but.. I thought when women got older they became empowered cougars and got even more choosier! How could Sex & The City lie to us!

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  11. This is very similar to the problem with online dating. Any girl there is going to want the best of the bunch and if there is only one alpha in the group, all the girls are going to want him. The rest will walk away taking no one because they couldn’t have the best.

    Those stats might be better if the women rotated instead of the men.

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  12. on October 22, 2010 at 12:49 pm French Connection

    But were the men of the women revolving? 😉

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  13. Actually, the 6% figure doesn’t seem all that bad if you take into account the fact that very little time is invested wrt to speed dating. I’ve never done speed dating, but I’ve read that sometimes the entire sessions can be done in about 25-30 minutes, and by the end of that time you’ve probably met 5-10 different women. You literally just spend seconds talking to each one, and having invested so little time and energy up front a 6% bang rate seems about fine to me.

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  14. Men are catching on and over the next few years you will see more and more desperate women out there. I see them all the time in the bars in my own neighbourhood. Soon you won’t need much more game than being able to discern when to speak and when to clam up if you’re an alpha. I personally don’t use a whole lot of game, in fact, cocky funny doesn’t really work for guys like me who have it together. Women are intimidated by guys like me too much as it stands.

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  15. I’d imagine with decent game, a guy could do way better than 6% at a speed dating event.

    Now that I think about it, it would probably be a great training location for one of those Game Boot Camps. They would be able to test their game on a whole bunch of girls in rapid succession. Excellent practice in a lower stress environment than a nightclub.

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  16. on October 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm Herbal Essence

    Several years ago I was going to a very hip downtown bar for an industry networking event with a male friend. We went into the wrong entrance, and walked into the middle of a speed dating session in progress.
    The men were no prize pigs, but the women were absolutely ghastly. Unsurprisingly, they turned away from their “dates” and lit up like a Christmas tree when they saw two good-looking young professionals waltz in.
    Of course, the only “speed dating” on our part was walking away as quickly as possible!

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  17. Do you ever feel a stab of guilt when gloating about how it sucks to be an older woman?

    Think of the good females in your extended family, who are doing their best to stay attractive, and who rage against the dying embers of youth. Some of them admit it, and they’re good people, and they don’t “let go” like the disgusting sea cows that are most women beyond the age of 40.

    Aging sucks hard, that’s the dark horrible truth. It’s fucking horrible, horrible, horrible; even admitting it feels horrible, like you’re embracing the pain of people you love as they decay.

    Scientists, find a cure for this shit. Death is not the road to awe; it’s the road to decay, senility, degeneration, ossification, sludge.

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  18. I’ve never speed-dated, but my impression of women who do this is that they are “too busy” to date normally, what with putting focus on career and making money and all other sorts of masculine traits. You know the type – the Blackberry-addled 30-something with the homemade face lift (hair pulled back tight with scrunchie) who slaves away in entertainment PR for $30G a year. On the bright side she probably sluts it up when gamed properly. But that’s about the only good thing you can say about women who act like penis-less men.

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  19. I love barking up the wrong tree. Here’s another good study.

    “Although fathers tended to be less involved when they worked less, fathers who held traditional gender role attitudes were more involved than those who held nontraditional gender role attitudes. The results suggest the important part fathers’ attitudes and values have in influencing their involvement with children under differing employment conditions.”

    Source: “Does Change in Young Men’s Employment Influence Fathering?” from Family Relations, Volume 59, Issue 4, pages 479–493, October 2010

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  20. rage against the dying embers of youth

    AKA not aging gracefully. What’s the point in that? The embers will die whether you rage against them or not and raging against the inevitable makes you look a fool.

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  21. Here’s my hopefully-soon-to-be-patented fuckonometric analysis:

    At the typical $35 a session, a 6% chance means that it costs about $580 to get laid from speed dating events, not even taking into account the cost of drinks at the event, and any cost associated with subsequent dates.

    Thus, in just about any city in America, I could have sex with 3 hot 19 year-old hookers for the same money, without even spending a penny on gasoline (though I do recommend being stocked with alcohol and party favors).

    Being 47, I have never heard of a speed dating event that would mix 19 year-olds with guys my age, and while those events tend to only use age as a guideline, unless the event were being held in the barrio or a trailer park, its unlikely the type of 19ish year-olds, if any, that would show up and pay for speed dating, would want to date a guy my age.

    Beyond the fuckanomics, from my own speed dating experiences, I have drawn additional conclusions:

    1. just about every chick that shows up all want to do only one of the guys. If every guy that shows up is average height, and one guy shows up who is 6’3″, it would be more productive for the average-height guys to save the time, spare themselves aggravation, and leave before the carousel starts spinning. All those convincing moves that some of us may have in order to get a girl to surreptiously leave a bar with us or sleep with us on a date are worthless when, after the event, a date only arises if the girl writes your name down on a list.

    2. when the events are run by a guy, he and all his friends are in the know as to how many chicks that signed up are hot, and if its a lousy batch, they all cancel at the last minute, opening it up to the schmoes who were on the waiting list.

    Unless and until someone hosts a speed dating event where each guy sits in a high-end club VIP-type booth, the girls are the ones who rotate, and they have to sit on the other end of the table on a folding chair, I will never attend another one.

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  22. @Dirk Johanson,

    I got the impression it was always like this.

    Basically, awful for men.

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  23. Over the past few years Plenty of Fish (online dating) has given me about a 1.25% lay rate based on initial emails. About 800 initial emails and 10 lays.

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  24. on October 22, 2010 at 1:53 pm Ascending Alpha

    I’d rather try my luck at the bars and clubs then see what the cat dragged into a speed dating event. Besides, I’m too busy with my #1 girl to waste my time and money on these sort of things.

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  25. @ Legion

    “Do you ever feel a stab of guilt when gloating about how it sucks to be an older woman?”

    Well, mostly not. Aging is never easy, but it didn’t have to be this brutal for women–in the not-too distant past, women had ample sexual and social power even as they aged. There was once a time where a women was guaranteed to not to grow old and undesired—Marriage 1.0 during a pre-feminist society. Most women knew back then that while they wouldn’t be as physically hot at 50 as they were at 25, if they stayed active and didn’t let themselves go and took their family commitment seriously their husbands would still be extremely interested in fucking and validating them in the decades after menopause.

    That knowledge has been thoroughly rejected. The simple fact is that women who are aging now were foot soldiers in the movement to dismantle the cultural & social mores that would have mitigated many of the downsides of female aging. They traded the protective value of the institutions of yesteryear for the cock carousel, divorce theft, makework public sector jobs, and a shit ton of student loan debt.

    Not much sympathy here.

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  26. Rarfly and Silver Fox:

    What I don’t understand is this: how did you manage to find eight hundred and five thousand, respectively, women that you actually *wanted* to message on these sites? In my experience, only one in a hundred is actually worth messaging.

    I think I’ve internalized the “man as chooser” side of game too much, because I have a huge amount of difficulty finding women that I actually want to sleep with; even in the real world. The vast majority are too ugly, and the good-looking ones tend to have some other flaw.

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  27. on October 22, 2010 at 2:07 pm too late for romance

    Legion said:

    Do you ever feel a stab of guilt when gloating about how it sucks to be an older woman?

    Personally I find it incredibly liberating to not have to consider morality or ethics in screwing or “relationships” anymore, so no I don’t feel any guilt even for my female friends who I made before getting my shit together (I don’t make new female friends anymore – just useful female acquaintances at best) or for my similarly situated female family members. They’re stuck being female just like I’m stuck being male. Shit happens.

    That’s one of the reasons why I chose this moniker. It really is too late for romantic notions in western civilization, at least if your a male who’s able and willing to face reality. Feminism, biomechanics, evo psych, historical events, macroeconomic changes, etc. etc. have killed that possibility. Or at least they have for me.

    Surrendering all those old romantic and idealistic notions of nationalism, chivalry, etc. and the associated bullshit freed me to face reality, and part of that reality is that women are designed to be used as sperm receptacles by men. Sure, they are useful for other things, but that’s the fundamental truth.

    It’s evolution. I had nothing to do with it, so I can’t feel any guilt about exploiting the situation. It’s really a great feeling. It’s kinda like they used to say, free your mind and your cock will follow. Or something like that.

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  28. on October 22, 2010 at 2:12 pm too late for romance

    you’re you’re you’re you’re

    not your

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  29. Do you ever feel a stab of guilt when gloating about how it sucks to be an older woman?

    Only in the sense that you’d feel sorry for someone who blew a good opportunity. Look, they had their good years between 16 to 30. That was their time. If they didn’t make the most of it then, then they have no one else to blame but themselves.

    If you’re a man between 30 to 50, it’s now your time. Make the most of it before it’s over, because it will be sooner than you think. As the Romans would say ultima forsan.

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  30. @Joe Eoj

    I look at the following things when deciding to message a woman, in this order:

    1) her pics (gotta be thin, face don’t care about as much)
    2) her religion (can’t be catholic)
    3) her height (must be under 5’7)
    4) her profile (can’t act like a diva)

    If she passes those filters then I’ll find something in her profile to comment about and send out a 1- or 2-sentence email. I can do 2 chicks a minute when I’m on a roll with this. But sometimes I’ve gone for months and even years without sending out a single email, so my overall numbers aren’t as high as they could be.

    And then of course I ramp up the sexuality in our first emails. If I don’t get a hint of flirtiness from her immediately, it’s NEXT.

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  31. i think most of the enmity towards older women stems not from their elderliness per se, but from the feeling that they likely spent their youths being cunts to nice guys who probably just wanted to marry and love them and a little schadenfreude at watching them get old alone

    [In my case, it’s just to get under the skin of those who like to claim that older women suffer no penalty in the dating market. Crisis and observation.]

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  32. “i think most of the enmity towards older women stems not from their elderliness per se, but from the feeling that they likely spent their youths being cunts to nice guys who probably just wanted to marry and love them and a little schadenfreude at watching them get old alone”

    100% truth

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  33. @ dana

    “A little schadenfreude”? Not so little. 😉

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  34. the blog the findings are posted on is excellent. Im gonna read it for like a day straight now

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  35. Oh it will be fun to see today’s current crop of slutty girls refuse to settle and plow into their late twenties and early thirties!

    Oh I cannot wait for the panic to set in! And I will laugh as they die alone and unhappy.

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  36. on October 22, 2010 at 4:13 pm Willard Libby

    A 6% lay rate with cougars, or a 3% lay rate with kittens? I think I know which success rate most men would prefer.

    All the matters is a 100% success rate with the woman you want.

    [Editor: Which, more often than not for most men, is going to be a kitten, not a cougar.]

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  37. on October 22, 2010 at 4:36 pm Steve Johnson

    Let’s look at that 6% number.

    How many people at a typical speed dating event?

    Maybe around 30-40?

    (let’s assume half and half)

    6% of 15 = 0.9
    6% of 20 = 1.2

    In other words, if you’re in a group of guys some woman’s hamster will spin the wheel for any guy as long as he’s the top guy.

    I don’t think this is a good estimate for the odds of any one guy (unless you’ve got an exactly average chance of being top guy).

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  38. Speed dating really taps into the concept of first intuitive responses. It taps right into your reptilian brain. There isn’t even time for the information to reach the logical center. I would think for those that are more inclined to think and mull things over, this type of dating will be very anxiety provoking. However for those that are good at intuitively sensing their environment and people, it should quite interesting.

    My favorite author Malcolm Gladwell writes about the concept of “thin slicing” and in speed dating I think if you can “thin slice” accurately you’ve got it made! ha!

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  39. Oh I think the rancor is clearly aimed at middle aged women who have committed the modern social perversion. What is this really like for many men really? Does it matter what a woman does with her youth? Let me ask this, does it matter if a woman sees her child as an infant? Are there any memories or bonds created between mother and infant that are applicable to later in life life? A baby’s “cuteness” is even more ephemeral than the beauty of a woman so why bother? Put a bag over their heads and forget the superficiality of infant cuteness that will be gone tomorrow.

    So what’s it like? Consider that a 35 year old career will have the same hold over a man as an adopted 10 year old has over a her in direct comparison to a child she raised from an infant. The baby pictures prove how right I am, and how deluded these women who have missed the boat really are.

    Men’s bias for being attracted to younger women works directly in relation to the male tendency to bond. Its no different than the infant mother bond that evolves into something else as a child grows. If men did not bond, then there would be no tendency to have a desire for youth, only the immediate possibility of offspring as seen in chimps. Thus women in the human race were designed to create a bond with men in their youth where most male instincts respond well else we would not be here. Men desire youth in women because they historically did not leave them. However cock hopping until its too late is the equivalence to meeting the infant you gave birth to when they are 10 years old. Its too late.

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  40. on October 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm rebelliousvanilla

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/6/#comment-215530
    Morsellaux, read that. This is how I feel about all over 35 people, with certain individual exceptions. For example, I didn’t destroy the real meaning of nationality. If nationalities are mere social constructs, I can choose to not fulfill my duties as part of that construct. Also, since they’re social constructs, it means that I should care about Chinese retirees who get no benefits just as much as the British ones. I always make fun of leftists related to this and ask them why do they want to take care of the privileged public worker employees and retirees in the West instead of Africans if they really are colour blind and nationalities don’t matter and wealth redistribution is good. They can’t really get that they’re hypocritical.

    Gorb, I think that the speed dating event with the women rotating would be more satisfying romantically for the women attending too.

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  41. on October 22, 2010 at 6:06 pm rebelliousvanilla

    chi-town, men want what signals fertility in women. Youth, flat stomachs, 70% waist to hip ratio, full breasts and so on are signs of fertility.

    Related to this you can see high heels. When we reach puberty, our legs develop faster and are longer for a while than when are fully matture relatively to the upper part of my body. We wear high-heels to emulate the look mid teenage girls have body wise – longer legs to upper body ratio.

    So no, men don’t even really care instinctually about staying with a woman. This is morality and what you should do to have a functioning society. Men care about knocking a woman up instinctually. This is why we evolved to have breasts in the way we do and why are able to have intercourse regardless of our pregnancy or fertility stage – trading sex for food. If men instinctually cared about bonding with a woman, we wouldn’t need all this. Obviously, this is reptilian brain stuff.

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  42. namae nanka

    What the court did was “give great weight” to their prenup, but it didn’t strictly follow it.

    He agreed in the apparently quite simple prenup to “make no claim” on her fortune if they divorced. She “has access” to a family fortune of about 110m pounds. (Note at least in America inherited money is treated very differently in division of assets than wealth earned during the marriage – though it may well factor in in alimony amounts after long marriages.) He wanted almost 10 million pounds. The lower court awarded him 5.6m #. The English Supreme Court give him 1.7 million and rent free use of a 2.5m # house he’s been living in with their two daughters, until the youngest turns 22. (16 years off.)

    The English courts might now be less protective of the financially weaker spouse as their reputation may suggest, but we are still some way off following our continental cousins by holding spouses to the pre-nup’s terms, irrespective of what they are.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8075445/German-heiress-legal-implications-of-pre-nuptial-ruling.html

    I haven’t read whether he’s getting child support from her as well; he’s apparently the custodial parent. She now lives in no income tax Monaco. He was once an investment banker making 150k # a year; now he’s a Uni researcher making 30k #.

    How this would effect a Brit banker or exec who accumulates a 15m # fortune and has a wife who’s a school teacher at a private school, with a prenup that says neither can make claims on the wealth accumulated by the other that isn’t formally jointly held, is quite unclear. Does definitely seem advisable for higher earning English men to get them though.

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  43. question for the floor:

    what is the most effective way to deal with an ex who wants to see you to have dinner after she broke up with you ?

    it’s been over a year since i’ve seen her and honestly a part of me doesn’t want to see her as she was the one that got away”. too painful. 4 year relationship down the tubes due to beta behavior and long distance dynamics.

    now, she leaves this long rambling vm about missing me and thinking about me etc.

    i would like to see her– but not now, maybe in a year or so when i am fully rid of any emotional ties. obviously i don’t want to tell her that i dont want to see her due to me still feeling “something”.

    since she broke up with me, a part of me just wants to ignore her vm and move on. also, i am self aware enough to know that i derive a certain satisfaction from her still thinking of me.

    what is the best move here ? will ignoring her vm and not contacting her be an alpha move or will it make her think that i’m being a bitter beta ?

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  44. “However cock hopping until its too late is the equivalence to meeting the infant you gave birth to when they are 10 years old. Its too late.”

    In patriarchal societies, women generally married at age fourteen to seventeen, and immediately started bearing children.

    Although it looks that something like fifty percent of human societies are chimp like, in that men make no substantial contribution to the family or raising their sons, our ancestral environment was generally patriarchal – because patriarchal societies tend to conquer non patriarchal societies – perhaps because of higher male investment in children in patriarchal societies, perhaps because sons being raised by their fathers to be manly, therefore better soldiers, perhaps because of the greater social cohesion of patriarchal societies. Non patriarchal societies tend to disappear due to failure to reproduce culturally and biologically, and inability to defend themselves.

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  45. @julian

    Cut her off and go look for other girls. Nothing good will come out of dinner.

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  46. Interesting study from a few years ago: http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/research/mktg_simonson_date.shtml

    “although women say that they rate intelligence over attractiveness in their search for a mate, when they try “speed dating” physical attractiveness leads their list—outpacing intelligence, sincerity, and compatibility—to the same degree as it does for men.”

    And, of course, by attractiveness, we know women mean whether a guy is 72 inches tall, rather than something like 69 inches tall.

    I remember reading about an aspect of the study, or perhaps a follow-up, where the women soon regretted not having dated a beta from the event.

    What makes the way the women approach these events even more ridiculous is that – unlike a beta guy who rarely gets eight minutes of captive attention from a hot chick – any passable woman can meet alphas all the time, yet they don’t even have the willpower to give a beta a chance:

    -even when they are predisposed to wanting to meet a beta

    and

    -even though they could date both the alpha and beta afterward.

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  47. I went to one speed dating event when I was 40. There were about 12 guys and 12 women. The advertised age range was 30 to 40. Two of the women were very attractive and outgoing. I’m certain that they were merely ringers brought in by the female organizer to add some beauty to the event and get the men to think that these kinds of beautiful women regularly attend speed dating events seeking to meet a guy. So, if no luck at this event, then the guys would likely attend the next one looking for a speed-date attending beauty.

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  48. rebelliousvanilla said:

    So no, men don’t even really care instinctually about staying with a woman. This is morality and what you should do to have a functioning society. Men care about knocking a woman up instinctually. This is why we evolved to have breasts in the way we do and why are able to have intercourse regardless of our pregnancy or fertility stage – trading sex for food. If men instinctually cared about bonding with a woman, we wouldn’t need all this. Obviously, this is reptilian brain stuff.

    Ah……….

    Well, that’s nice. Anyone want to bet how many suck-ups here will take that frightening red flag as like a warning sign? Cause that is one scary little flag right there.

    Oh. My. God.

    Oh, and girl, one of the problems with higher-function brain centers is that the higher functioning part can over-ride the lower parts. So, for example, if women were only capable of happy-time when they were going to get preggers from it…. let’s say Earth’s population wouldn’t be quite so high now. You might want to divide the current population by a little. Like a 1000 or more times.

    Your fanatical chick view on things is cute most of the time. This is not one of those times.

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  49. on October 22, 2010 at 8:00 pm That's What's Up

    A couple of years ago, over a 12-month period, I messaged, met, and very quickly had intimate relationships with eight very attractive young (mid-20s) women I met on MySpace! Haven’t used that method for a couple of years now. Facebooks is probably the same, but I have been to lazy to set up an account.

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  50. on October 22, 2010 at 8:04 pm That's What's Up

    What turns me off about women over, say, age 40, is when I get the thought in my head of how many cocks they’ve had in them in the 25+ years of screwing! Same think when I meet a woman with multiple children from multiple men. Or, a woman that’s been engaged multiple times. I recently met a pleasant, fun, attractive 40-year old woman (one child) that admitted that she’s been engaged ten times (but never married)! That’s ten+ cocks!

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  51. @ Ron. I went 2 one where the 2 hottest split b4 it even started and there weren’t enough girls to go around

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  52. Julian,

    It’s always painful when LTR ends. It will surely take time to heal–understandable. I think you need to know WHY she wants to have dinner first and make your decision based on the reason she gives. That being said, if you really are not ready for any sort of relationship with her–don’t go and take the time you need to diminish the feelings you have left for her. I believe you know instinctually what to do. Trust yourself.

    smile.

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  53. my college major was masturbation. now I am pushing 40 and can bang all the chickies I want. Disclaimer: I look better now than I did at 20 and have a 7fig net worth… some men age better, some don’t.

    Look at a picture of daddy when he was 40. Was he banging models? Yes? Then you might want to consider procrastinating the whole white picket fence thing. Staying at home with the screeching hag isn’t going to cut it when teen models hit on you.

    Was daddy fat, short, zero game and bald at 40 with craggy wrinkles?… get some sucker to marry you while you still have hair.

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  54. Julian,

    I’ve been in the exact same boat as you, my friend. A year after breaking up I get a text as well as a VM saying she thinks we should get together to “talk”.

    Once you realize that all chicks are basically the same you’ll be glad you didn’t go through with it. How many dicks do you think she’s been through in the meanwhile?? 3? 5? 10?

    It doesn’t matter. She’s not the same girl you knew before. Don’t reply and keep her guessing. Now, you’re the one that got away.

    Needless to say, I didn’t reply to the girl and neither should you.

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  55. Chateau twitter: I haven’t decided if smiling at girls walking past on the sidewalk is creepy or inviting.

    I’m often in moods where I’ll smile at pretty random girls. In every single case their reaction is momentary surprise followed by a genuine smile back.

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  56. I dont understand this height issue I have buddies 6’4 and 6’3 etc right?

    They arent bagging top shelf hotties, or have they ever . I notice many guys in the gym , while being tall they dont have hot women around them in the gym their girlfriends are ugly plain old. etc

    Being 5’8 myself, 5’10 in boots.(most of the time in runners a little over 5’8) I have landed hotter woman than these guys judging by the women I see them with. Im not saying this becuase of my own bias, but its the truth. If taller is better ,why aren’t they getting hotter women and not these fugs and plain janes?

    please explain.

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  57. Julian, only meet up with her if she’s buying otherwise dont bother

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  58. Re: high heels

    I was channel surfing one night and came across an episode of ‘Hannah Montana’ (Disney Channel) from 2006. It was the show’s first season (I believe) and Miley Cyrus was really cute, in a chipmunk sort of way (not now – used up skank).

    Anyways at one point they showed her profile (while she was in character) and her body had this natural S-curve, like all fit adolescent and teen girls develop. The realization hit me. That’s what high heels on a woman do. The heels lift a woman up on the balls of her feet. This throws her center of gravity forward, that she must compensate for by keeping her back straight. The result is her abdomen sticks out (like a ‘Fuck Me’ sign) like a fit adolescent or teenage girl. Something about the (sideview) S torso shape activates a mating response in men (I.e., drives men insane with lust).

    Women wear high heels to appear youthful (just like when they wear blush to give themselves a faux blushing cheeks effect like young girls and when women wear concealer to give them the faux skin of a young girl).

    Women know what attracts men (youth and beauty). They will insist that attraction is wrong or perverted, yet spend billions of dollars every year to make themselves over into the very creatures they insist it is perverted for men to be attracted to.

    When the Creator made that fucked up, self-contradictory, hypocritical, lying mess (known as Woman) he really outdid himself.

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  59. JMZ,

    6’3 and 6’4 is a little too tall for most girls tastes. When guys are this tall and they aren’t athletes or famous it usually doesn’t work out as well as you’d think. Clothes start to look goofy, no matter how stylish once you’re over 6’3. Plus most guys start looking gawky and just stick out a bit too much.

    I find that 6′ to 6’2 is the sweet spot for girls tastes. When you’re this tall and in decent to good shape you can really enhance your appeal by dressing stylishly because this is the height where you become noticeable to girls and the correct choice in clothing looks really flattering on men in this height range.

    Girls wanna look up to their man when they are with them, but looking up too far makes them self conscious.

    Just my opinion.

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  60. JMZ

    6’4, 6’3 anything over 6 I think is too tall. My neck hurts and I have to go on my tippy toes to you know……hehe… BTW, I’m a little mouse though….5’2.

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  61. I dont totally buy that , I see women demanding 6’3 and up and some 6’5 and up

    but why arent they getting top shelf women? I see laods of tall guys around, hardly any have hotties, this what I dont undertsand

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  62. tall guys have bad tastes. how’s that.

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  63. too late for romance said: “and part of that reality is that women are designed to be used as sperm receptacles by men. Sure, they are useful for other things, but that’s the fundamental truth.”

    It’s hard to gauge how sincere some of you are when you say things like this. I can’t see if tongue-is-prodding-cheek. If taken literally, and this is your view of females, you sound like someone who has lost perspective, as if your spongy mind has absorbed all of the (second hand) evo psych literature and PUA stuff and warped it into a spergy caricature, missing the larger picture.

    There’s a lot of unhappiness and failure reeking from the comments sections of this (outstanding) blog, which inevitable but a pity. It’s like some of the commenters take the worst strands of human nature, and suck the poison deep into their veins.
    Balance is lost.

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  64. @what

    I was responding to SN2

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  65. someone should register nybetatimes.com and make all links redirect to nytimes.com. that’d be swell.

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  66. JMZ,

    I was just kidding!!..like I always do….hee! hee!

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  67. JMZ,

    Maybe your tall friends are just lame and terrible with women. Since you’re only 5’8 and do well with girls you should be able to make your own inferences because at your height you’d need to have a little game to beat your buddies to girls.

    Two guys of differing heights but equally good game competing directly will inevitably, statistically have the results favouring the taller guy.

    Tall guy w game > short guy w game > tall guy w/o game > short guy w/o game

    Freaks like guys over 6’5 and under 5’5 will be at a disadvantage. Fame and wealth being their saving grace.

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  68. I have had luck from women from time to time, and hot ones I mean. there are the only ones that matter.

    I had instances when plain women thought I was too short and some cute ones too , but 6 months prior I was dating a gal much much hotter ( it didnt work out), I never understood the story there. Is it all dumb luck? it sure seems that way

    some of these women are still single

    In some instances , some were taller and didnt mind, only by like an inch were they taller

    Altough I think facial features and how you present yourself matter more than height as long as one is not obsecure on either side of the spectrum. I can see some women having strict requirements, but I can also see nothing impressing them. Think of it this way, there are plenty of tall guys around and still they dont meet these broad’s requirments? its dumb. I think you know what I mean

    and this isnt relegated to my buddies alone, but guys I see in the gym or when Im out as well , if at their height they have fugly girls that I wouldnt touch, if they have that supposed advantage , what good is it? it clearly isnt helping them

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  69. Legion says, “It’s like some of the commenters take the worst strands of human nature, and suck the poison deep into their veins.
    Balance is lost.”

    “They” say the difference between medicine and poison is in the dosage.

    Life in the west and westernizing world is a wilderness of many venomous thorns. It is better to navigate in the light than in the dark.

    Being here has saved me a lot of pain, and prevented me from inflicting more than my share. It hasn’t always been pleasant, and I don’t agree with all that is ever said, but the knowledge of others’ perspectives has been extremely helpful.

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  70. It’s all dumb luck until you start looking at it from a statistical perspective. It will start to make sense once you integrate this mode of thinking into your worldview.

    Being able to build a rapport with women is predominantly a cerebral endeavour. That being said, it definitely doesn’t hurt being tall and in shape.

    Also, since most people get married in their mid 20s to early thirties, this takes a lot of guys who are entering their prime out of the dating pool. These guys don’t even know the incipient power they would have brandished had they avoided the impulse to get married. Women are leaving their primes during this age bracket, so they have wielded their power profligately by hopping on dick after dick in their youth until they hit the wall, marry a could-have-been stud and slowly, inexorably and predictably turn into the sludgemonsters typical of western culture. All the while, their men unknowingly allow an unknown capability to atrophy under the mind numbing, soul destroying institution known as marriage 2.0.

    There is a natural shift in the pecking order between male and female that hardly any man will know of and all women hope that their men will never realize.

    P.S. Those guys you’re talking about with the fuglies are probably chumps. They got what they deserve (or maybe it’s what they think they deserve?)

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  71. @sn2

    I wasnt talking a bout marriage why the shift? are you replying to someone else?

    I dont plan to get married either, or even have kids. Im 30. I will not do either under any circumstances

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  72. JMZ,

    Marriage is an ultimate goal of every cock-hopping girl you come across, whether it’s at the front or percolating at the very back of their mind, it explains a lot of their actions and has ramifications in the dating game. They view eventually getting married as their ultimate goal no matter how slutty or career oriented or whatever.

    This rite of passage and the average persons view of it as being in inevitable part of life describes what you’re seeing every day.

    If you really believe that you won’t ever get married, and have conviction in this stance then maybe the link between the inevitability of marriage and the behaviours of people in the dating game should be explored. People nowadays date as if they are under duress and try to maximize their sensations and pleasure before the inevitable day they get married. It just so happens that women are able to do most of the maximizing. This is where game comes is. This is where not getting married becomes the smartest thing you’ll ever do. At least hold off til you’re 50. Hahah.

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  73. I understand, the thing is I could never get married, too many women have been with too many guys and the laws are too butal. Im an MBA grad Just sold my condo in vancouver for 750 no mortgage and have a trust fund to boot. I will never give that up to some women who has ridden more than 2 guys.

    I cant do it, I have no idea why men even marry at all especially, with how promiscuous women are. I will never marry or cohabit under any circumtances. Nor will I spend money on gifts and other things.If they want to be independant then I say let them. I’d rather be single or date casually. if they dont understand or respect that. then its fine with me, they can hit the road. I dont really care about them. I just hang in there until I get laid and most relationships suck after the 3-6 month mark

    is the marriage strike real ? and where is this all going? are men catching on or is it only in the mind of bloggers?

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  74. “mating with a speed-dating partner was 6%”

    Lol, ‘mating’? It’s one thing to refer to ‘mating effort’ or something in humans, but this is a bridge too far.

    -What were you up to last night, dude?

    -I fuckin mated with this chick from Chi Ro Sig.

    -Awesome, man.

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  75. > men are expendable, and women irreplaceable. One man can impregnate an entire tribe and keep the population growing. One woman is a population bottleneck that will mean the extinction of the tribe. And further on from that premise, we find ourselves offering comfort and uuuuunderstaaaaanding to Taylor Swift, while we offer nothing but sharp barbs and ridicule to the expendable Todd Seavey.

    OmyGOD, you are so busted! Group selection. See George C. Williams. Dennis Sloan Wilson might try to back you here but it’d be a real stretch.

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  76. “is the marriage strike real ? and where is this all going? are men catching on or is it only in the mind of bloggers?”

    I know quite a few married couples with children in various cities — WA DC, Chicago, Charleston, Atlanta, Seattle. The only friends I have that aren’t married live in Vancouver.

    I do think that Canadians might be a bit less likely to get married then Americans. And I do wonder if less people in Vancouver are less willing to marry and start families because of the crazy-pants housing costs.

    If you have a trust fund, I don’t get why you think you’d be giving it up if you married. A trust would hold property outside of marital or common property claims.

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  77. so,l going as tyler durden next week. not sure where to go? house parties i guess. I got the red jacket, just need a cool vintage shirt now. will go to mall for that, might game the girls at the halloween shop there in the mall tmrw. befriend them and fuck them on halloween, sooner would be better though? please read my post from todays experience in previous blog. i had an opportunity to daygame today but missed out on progression since I had to take important phone call 2x. I hope this girl comes back to this venue (starbucks) because I think she was into me, seemed really smart PHD student, beautiful, and prob in need of good looking alpha/upper beta cock since shes used to see harry potter omegas all day at school.

    btw, theres a lot of weird omega looking girls, crazy neurotic looking girls ie (their dress, walk, swagger) this girl seemed normal and way to good to be at Brown. she was an 8 with no make up this morning, her smarts and sense of humor make her 9, latin accent (colombian i think)= 9.5, and at night she would not need any make up at all. I could fuck this girl every day after work and be the happiest man ever.

    I have to get rid of these beta thought/beta interrogation type questions that pop into my mind before the next encounter.

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  78. on October 23, 2010 at 8:32 am Clásico Vallecaucano

    rxman:

    seemed really smart PHD student

    If you read this blog more often, you’d have realized by now that this doesn’t matter. At all.

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  79. @A. Paleocon

    That’s not group selection.

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  80. @rebelliousvanilla

    I am not new at this. I have known about the .7 ratio for a very long time as well as other fertility triggers.

    That is all well and good that you have a rational basis, but its rather incomplete. There is only one reason why humans have a preference for female youth, and that is because we bond. Otherwise it is fertility now. The most attractive women are actually before the peak of fertility for this reason. Most animal comparisons are miserably flawed because they really don’t account for what really drives this bond. Our offspring take a very long time to reach independence. The male contribution to this mattered. You did not address my comment about chimpanzees. They don’t like young females because they don’t form these bonds, but then they never wondered out of the jungle either. Older females who can raise chimps now is what is important. The other interesting thing about chimps is they rely on sperm wars rather than gladiator style combat.

    My point is there is a human monogamous tendency which is implied by the semi-polygamous nature of humans. There is flexibility. Which one is emphasized is part of the point of this blog. Men will not automatically just leave their women. This happens under certain conditions. The best thing a woman can do is to preserve those conditions which worked. Staying slim and marrying an older man is what has worked well for a very long time. Its not foolproof for those women who go for the rock star since, again, history or the natural world has never shown that this could last. However for most of us that does not apply.

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  81. [In my case, it’s just to get under the skin of those who like to claim that older women suffer no penalty in the dating market. Crisis and observation.]

    I don’t know about that. In my extended social circle, some of the good-looking girls who were cock-hopping in the 20s are still happily hopping on cocks in their 40s.

    [Editor: I’d bet good money that the men they are banging in their 40s are of considerably lower quality than what they were banging in their 20s. And I’m not just talking looks-wise.]

    To some extent they’re even doing better, because they’re dating older established guys while the competition has turned into fat divorced mommies.

    [“Established” != alpha. Plenty of older men have more money than they had in their youth, but that doesn’t make them ladykillers.]

    Anyway, there’s a reason they make viagra.

    [Yes. To help them get it up for ugly old broads.]

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  82. [Editor: I’d bet good money that the men they are banging in their 40s are of considerably lower quality than what they were banging in their 20s. And I’m not just talking looks-wise.]

    Yeah, I’d take that bet. These girls’ dating histories are full of losers and poor choices. It takes a certain kind of girl to not fly into the arms of a beta-provider-marrying type somewhere along the way. I think they realized they made their choice long before their face wrinkled and their tits deflated. But if they can make some old guy with a Mercedes happy, more power to em.

    [Editor: Most of the single cougars I see around town and at events are feebly hanging on the arms of beta schlubs. Sure, these guys have full-time jobs and probably nice cars, but their attitude, their demeanor, their everything screams boring shell entity. You can see the listlessness in both the cougars’ and betas’ eyes. It is the look of settling, not of love, let alone lust.]

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  83. “I dont totally buy that , I see women demanding 6’3 and up and some 6’5 and up”

    I dont know about that….I was hanging with some friends and my husband and there was a very attractive guy who was at least 6’7. My single friends were all interesting and he was too, but they were put off by his height. Someone that tall really stands out in Miami though.

    They were also put off by the fact that he might be packing too much to handle. There is such a thing as too much.

    [Editor: Finally! Someone who understands it is a curse as much as a blessing. And I thought I was all alone with this burden.]

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  84. @ hello

    Im moving to the USA in 2 weeks as I am a dual citizen. a trust fund I believe is communti property, so I would lose it. I noticed when I lived in the USA there are more families and more young parents and more young married couples. its like british columbians dont reproduce or very few them , hence the 70% soon to be immigration population replacement that they posted in the vancouver sun last year. I read somewhere the average BC man gets married in his mid 30’s. Dont know how true that is, but it could be possible.It seems to me that Americans place more value on marriage by comparison.

    Either way I will not get married under any circumstances, too many sluts, too harsh of laws ,I trust neither is in my best interest.

    realistically never be with a woman too long its not a good idea

    ( pardon my grammer my contacts lenses arent in and I can see that well right now )

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  85. [Editor: Finally! Someone who understands it is a curse as much as a blessing. And I thought I was all alone with this burden.]

    please explan why these guys dont often get the best ass, if they have the advantage, and get fuglies or plain janes , what good is height?

    How come I dont see them with the top shelf chicks. I dont understand this aspect of the game

    low standars? geeky? big white trash guys? what they get just isnt impressive so I dont understand

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  86. [Editor: Finally! Someone who understands it is a curse as much as a blessing. And I thought I was all alone with this burden.]

    Packing an Arizona Iced Tea in yo pants is no blessing, unless you’re banging some cavernous puta.

    BTW for those not familiar: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3390863095_fa114d8470.jpg

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  87. “Im moving to the USA in 2 weeks as I am a dual citizen. a trust fund I believe is communti property, so I would lose it… Dont know how true that is, but it could be possible.It seems to me that Americans place more value on marriage by comparison.”

    I do think Americans get married more often — health care, tax benefits, ect. that are not applicable in Canada.

    You can protect a trust from community and spousal claims in the US. Historically, it’s sort of the point of trusts in the U.S.A.

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  88. @hello,

    doesnt matter, no marriage too many sluts, to harsh of laws, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

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  89. Your Mom, the women I know of who are still on the carousel at 40+ or jumped back on after divorcing are freakin’ disgusting. I like older men, but the guys these women go with are the ones I wouldn’t go near. They look like they’re going to drop dead on the dance floor, or have crappy personal hygiene, or they’re the wrong kind of aged out alpha who did too many drugs and shows it.

    These old ladies club hopping and talking about how they had enough of relationships and are just having fun…

    Look, more power to them, but that mentality scares the crap out of me. I’d rather be the third wheel hanging out with a thousand couples, or a serial actual dater of a dude a year until I’m 70, than to be not just a hole, but a creaky old hole.

    I mean…imagine going to the doctor’s office with an STD at 40+.

    I’m sorry my poor gynecologist has to even see my stuff. I’d just die if he had to see it burning with something.

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  90. @ JMZ

    Here’s a telling speed dating study regarding height preferences: http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/how-dont-i-love-thee/?scp=1&sq=how%20don%27t%20i%20love%20thee%20speed%20dating&st=cse

    I’m a big believer that attraction largely arises out of height differences. Are some of the girls these taller guys you know possibly just not attractive to you because they are bigger girls?

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  91. > > men are expendable, and women irreplaceable.

    A. Paleocon
    > OmyGOD, you are so busted! Group selection.

    Individual selection means results in our attitudes to other people are that those *other* people should behave optimally for the group.

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  92. “doesnt matter, no marriage too many sluts, to harsh of laws, why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?”

    if you don’t want a nuclear family, it doesn’t matter.

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  93. @Dirk Im not saying that they dont have height preferences.Im saying allot of dudes I observe arent getting the top shelf women. for example a guy in my condo is about 6’4 his wife is fat and fugly as per a couple dudes at the gym. if they have the height advantage why are they scraping the bottom of the barrel?, clearly their height is helping their prospects

    I see tall dues with plain women as well, what the story there?

    this is something I have observed time and time again

    @ hello

    huh?

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  94. “huh?”

    a nuclear family — you know — wife & kids. You don’t need to worry about common property laws if you don’t want a wife and children. But moving in with someone can result in a common law marriage. Hell, you get a common law marriage in Colorado in two weeks & a joint checking account.

    Any money you bring into a relationship you can protect from common law claims. Keep is separate. And trusts are very easy to protect. talk to a lawyer if you’re worried.

    If you don’t ever want to live with anybody or marry, though — don’t worry about it.

    In terms of height — 6″4 is pretty tall. Not all women are attracted to men that tall.

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  95. @hello

    I casually date thats it, if they have a problem with it, then it’s over and fine with that. the many guys divored or cuckolded is all the proof I need. I know 3 guys that found out that their daughters are not really their own.

    I know about common law marriage, and I dont tust anyone in my own home it keeps my place more sane and balanced. I need my peace and quite like most men

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  96. Your Mom, the women I know of who are still on the carousel at 40+ or jumped back on after divorcing are freakin’ disgusting. I like older men, but the guys these women go with are the ones I wouldn’t go near. They look like they’re going to drop dead on the dance floor, or have crappy personal hygiene, or they’re the wrong kind of aged out alpha who did too many drugs and shows it.

    These old ladies club hopping and talking about how they had enough of relationships and are just having fun…

    Look, more power to them, but that mentality scares the crap out of me. I’d rather be the third wheel hanging out with a thousand couples, or a serial actual dater of a dude a year until I’m 70, than to be not just a hole, but a creaky old hole.

    Nicole, you’re a stupid old fat pig. Nobody wants to fuck you. I hope you get hit by a bus and die bleeding to death in the gutter. The world would be a better place for it. If nothing else, you wouldn’t continue to waste internet bandwidth with your stupid inane drivel.

    I mean…imagine going to the doctor’s office with an STD at 40+. I’m sorry my poor gynecologist has to even see my stuff. I’d just die if he had to see it burning with something.

    Nicole, that’s the first thing you’ve ever said on this blog that I agree with you. There ain’t nobody, nobody, who wants to see your fat old black harridan cunt. Trust me on that.

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  97. Greenlander, men don’t do catfights. I’ve decided to stop engaging in catfights with males because it’s just too sad, and it truly is a waste of page space.

    At least in a catfight with a woman, some good might come out of it because sometimes that’s just how girls hash some things out.

    …but with men? It always makes me want to cry, and not because my feelings were hurt by what was said. It’s because I wonder what happened to the guy that he figured this kind of behavior was okay.

    Please, if you don’t want to see my posts, use the scrollbar.

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  98. My 2c on the actual post. A problem with that kind of studies, you can’t assume everyone as equal. For some chances of bang are 99%, for some 0.009.. That 6% if anything is proportion of somewhat alpha men among speed daters.

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  99. JMZ,

    This is a small corner of the net. Most guys see marriage as part of their progression through life, and either don’t care about, or willfully ignore the abundance of dicks that have found a home in their wife’s orifices.

    Don’t say never though JMZ. As a recent college grad I can tell you that are numerous cute but shy girls in the sciences who graduate college as virgins. Perhaps find an Asian or Indian girl and agree to their cultural ceremony but avoid legal marriage.

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  100. dreampuppy:

    I got the same black fossil watch, shit is killa son.

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  101. on October 25, 2010 at 3:43 pm Timothy Webster

    JMZ, don’t give up on the pleasures of parenthood or of a committed relationship. Maintain a separate residence, and don’t provide her with any money in a way that she can demonstrate or prove to a court. Keep your will locked up and hidden from the woman.

    Its all about creating a paper trail that works in your favor. It sounds to me like you have enough money to pull it off in style. You don’t have to keep pump and dumping and bruising womens hearts. No more excuses!

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  102. I have been heavily involved with several speed dating companies and organizations over the past 10 years. It paid the bills while in school (in & out).

    We used ‘fillers’. Sometimes you can’t fill the event and you call your best girlfriends (usually attached). Chances are, they aren’t going home with you.

    Also, most women go once, get totally disgusted, demand a refund and never come back. The ones that do come back, are so fucked up to begin with, damaged, baggage, that well… the last thing they need is a relationship… they need therapy! I know this to be true as I ALWAYS try to accommodate the ladies before an event and chat with them during break and afterwards. I know my clients and a lot about why they are there, etc ….

    I am no longer involved in speed dating. I personally met someone through a friend. Shes an amazing woman, athletic, and her being in her early 30’s, she is amazing in bed!

    If you are out to look for a long term relationship, don’t waste your money on speed dating. Due to the reason how they advertise these events… In my opinion, its not worth it.

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