Great Scenes Of Game In The Movies

It’s been a while since the last installment of ‘Great Scenes’. Here is a video clip from the movie ‘The Philadelphia Story’, featuring Cary Grant giving Katharine Hepburn exactly what she needs. The audio has been disabled by YouTube due to copyright issues, but you don’t need it for this scene as no words are exchanged. (Video link sent courtesy of reader Godless Capitalist.)

GC noted that you would be hard pressed to find a scene like this in a modern movie, especially in a movie where the “domestic abuser” gets the girl in the end, as Cary Grant did in ‘The Philadelphia Story’. I agree. You’d rarely see a leading man in a modern movie face-push a woman onto her ass, no matter how deserving she was of it, unless his character was Evil Incarnate or, worse, Beta Maximus. In a movie depicting the latter case, the Beta Maximus would spend the rest of the film wracked with guilt and prostrating himself before the “victim”, begging her forgiveness.

Feminists, their lickspittle SWPL beta enablers, and our PC apparatchiks would have you believe only bitter, creepy losers enraged by a lifetime of female rejection would ever physically confront a woman, but as I have pointed out before on these esteemed pages, betas don’t have the sack to hit or physically confront a woman. Most betas tuck their tails between their legs when a woman humiliates them. It’s the lesser alphas who go in for crude beatdown game, and the apex alphas who do what Cary Grant did in this clip — controlled anger administered in such a way as to maximize the mortification payload.

Notice that Grant pulls back a punch in favor of the face-palm. This was the ultimate alpha move for two reasons. One, he recognizes his power is so much higher than Hepburn’s that a solid blow by his fist would do her serious damage and have unfortunate repercussions for his reputation. Two, the face-palm push is much more degrading than a punch would be to a woman. It’s beating her on her own terms — no egregious violence to embolden martyrdom or incite white knighting, but enough psychological impact to crater her ego. A woman’s most valuable asset, besides the upkeep of her vagina, is her face. Grant’s face-palm is an affront to that asset. It’s basically saying “your face is worthless to me and can kiss my sweaty palm.”

Take a look at Hepburn’s expression as she’s laying on the floor. Guilt, shame… and sweet sweet arousal. Thought experiment: What would be more likely to moisten a woman’s pussy?

a. face-palming her in a moment of angry retribution or

b. apologizing for your misdeeds, true or not, and placating her with a massive princess pedestal campaign?

Women would tell you otherwise, but their wet pussies belie their words. They LOVE to be dominated.

Other alpha moves of controlled anger at your disposal (some examples drawn from personal experience):

Hard wrist grab followed by push onto bed or sofa.
Backhanded slap.
Half grapefruit shoved into the face.
Pin her against the wall by her wrists or throat.
Shoulder grab with a full body spin toss finishing move.
Bowl of dry cereal thrown like confetti in her face.
Beer poured over her head.
Cream-filled pastry tossed in her face.
Spray bottle of cleaning fluid thrown at her followed by the words “Clean yourself off, filthy whore.”
Crucifix thrown at her if she’s playing martyr.
Dual handed breast grab and push backward.
Push wad of toilet paper in her mouth.
Squirt ketchup in her face.

Do any of the above at least once in a relationship and you will never have to worry about her cheating on you or pounding the table yelling “Half!” at divorce proceedings.





Comments


  1. Is it just me, or does it appear that women on ‘Amihotornot.com’ are overrated by the crowd?

    All sorts of 6s and 7s, are getting 9.0 or better ratings there. What gives? Are the users of that site so detached from examples of real beauty?

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  2. LOL, that was too funny.

    I miss this series. Would like to see more Great Scenes of Game in the Movies.

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  3. on June 18, 2009 at 1:27 pm Jesus_Lizard

    “Dual handed breast grab and push backward”

    … made me laugh out loud. Just the phraseology of it… classic..

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  4. it’s all the more powerful because it was out of character for Grant, whose film persona was always refined and elegant. (Kate is almost always annoying in any role she played.)

    I think this kind of thing has to be rare, and strongly merited by bad conduct, to be effective. (not that roissy was implying otherwise.) constant physical abuse or intimidation is bullying and off-putting. it should be a last resort, after verbal dominance, withdrawal/push-pull disapproval, etc., to show anger/disapproval. breaking a golf club is in the right ballpark for that.

    disagree with the conclusion though. mild physical displays of anger display dominant status in the relationship, but depending on the woman (and the ubiquitous feminist programming to which roissy referred) they could raise certain fears and drive her away. even if they don’t, if it’s just one aspect of an otherwise ordinary strategy of LTR game/dominance, it doesn’t mean the relationship could fade or end for other reasons of incompatibility, including if you ever get sick of her and tell her to go away. then she’d be tempted to cheat anyway, as many women will, and the physical force thing could easily be manipulated by a divorce court massively in favor of the woman. half? “you think so small…!” (name that puppet.)

    grapefruit was jimmy cagney’s famous move on mae west. cleaning fluid could be hazardous, but funny if not. ketchup in the face a little juvenile, pie-in-the-face a comedy classic. i wonder which of them was drawn from roissy’s personal experience…?

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  5. I predict at least 700 comments on this entry, and they should be saucy.

    Ive noted that putting your fist through the drywall tends to remind them just how explosive you could be if not restrained by polite society.

    I also honestly believe if it weren’t for what modern prison is (gang beatings and gang-rapes of non-underclass non-gang member men by connected lifetime-underlcass thugs) thatt you’d be very suprised at how assertive beta males would be. They dont fear women at all. They fear prison and the wrecking of their lives professionally and financailly that would be imposed upon them by the state upon their release (try to get a decent job if you have been in the joint and have to state that on an application) . They also fear the incident’s record abetting the taking of their children at any divorce proceedings. If knocking out a few of your girlfriend’s/wife’s teeth were only punished by having to work on road-work crews during weekends for 12 hour shifts for one year, or some other non-penal penalty that didn’t affect a man’s employment ($5,000 fine perhaps?), but simply made him work it off for 4-500 hours, dentists would be quite busy (and plastic surgeons) fixing knocked out teeth and broken jaws. Women have -no idea- how violent merely ordinary men can be when not restrained by the state’s *truly* cruel and unusual (HIV from prison rape) countermeasures actually are.

    NOTE: Matriarichal societies tend to be left-wing collective ones in nature. Thats why our leftists are trying to concoct a matriarichal society. It will be a collectivist one by default and will simply *have* to be a totalitarian society that the left hasn’t quit dreaming about since their wet dreams of Lenin and Trotsky.

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  6. on June 18, 2009 at 1:37 pm snatch magnet

    Dude, Seriously? In the context of what’s going down in the bedroom, sure a little strong arm domination will work wonders in most cases. But, that’s consensual.
    If you mean to say that an alpha can resort to force to control or rebuke a woman, man you are out of your tree. Hell, why not light her shit on fire? That’ll teach her who’s boss.
    Maybe I need to go back and re-read this.

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  7. I would go with option “c”:

    Just split in the Model T, crack open a bottle of Jack (drinking and driving was legal back then right?), pop in some Dean Martin and roll by the local University and swoop some fly girls.

    Hell, he was dressed mad sharp.

    – MPM

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  8. on June 18, 2009 at 1:44 pm D. Ray Morton

    “Shoulder grab with a full body spin toss finishing move.”

    My favorite!

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  9. Roissy, in what context are these alpha dominance moves used best in? I’m thinking in times of extreme shit-testing as well as being used very sparingly… when she is acting like a complete neurotic waif cunt.

    In my experience, it seems that a lot of women want to be dominated this way. If their lover lacks the ability to do this, they will walk all over him until he does something like above or eventually leave him for somebody else.

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  10. yeah, middle class white guys…well maybe all middle class dudes, beta or not, regardless of race, would face serious repercussions for that stuff today. Poor people do it all the time. Rich guys? Well, they won’t go to jail and they probably have “beat down” clauses in their prenups. Regular folks are the ones who suffer.

    Anyway, wow, Hepburn’s “O-face” on the floor is fairly priceless. Probably earned this movie an R-rating back in the day.

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  11. @GMan – that movie is from 1940, so long before Dino was on the scene. Ain’t that a kick in the head. And I’m pretty sure that isn’t a Model T. But the spirit is right – and I’m with ya, Kate isn’t worth all the aggravation, hoops, etc. But if that had happened, there wouldn’t have been a movie – it ends with them getting together (married unexpectedly, with Grant standing in for Jimmy Stewart at the last minute, if I’m not mistaken…)

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  12. on June 18, 2009 at 1:51 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Do any of the above at least once in a relationship and you will never have to worry about her cheating on you or pounding the table yelling “Half!” at divorce proceedings.

    Wow, that is a serious leap you’re making, there. With that behaviour, where you’re most likely to drive some previously non-greed-oriented women is precisely to find a guy who won’t do these things, and then to pound the table & yell “Half!” to teach you a lesson. Backfire City.

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  13. Thoughts:

    1. Dominance “moves” such as these would be used more often if not for draconian domestic violence laws.

    2. The idea of an HIV+ gang rape is a strong restraint when it comes to physical dominance moves…. for those with a high time preference which is why “thugs” and lower class men are usually the ones to employ them.

    3. The divorce rate for nascent/lesser alphas would decrease if more men used these moves(and were more dominant in general) and the DV laws were repealed.

    4. If you’re going to do something make sure you don’t leave marks.

    5. Betas wouldn’t have the sack to dominate their princess physically even if it were legal.

    6. Contrast is King- by hsaving the sack to actually be physically dominant in this age you’ll stand out all the more to the limp wristed SWPL males who are physically weak and psychologically submissive.

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  14. As Z said…
    >I predict at least 700 comments on this entry, and they should be saucy.

    This one has the potential to top 1,000! The clip is in such contrast to what can be shown in today’s mainstream media. In today’s perspective, it’s completely misogynist …yet at the same time it’s got a reptilian, primitive appeal to BOTH sexes (i.e., panty-wetting). How to rationalize the two feelings?

    Let the anti-Roissy comments fly!

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  15. Push wad of toilet paper in her mouth

    true. she starts talking non-stop, you start wondering about how to gag her, looking around, and seeing that nothing would serve: mattresses, pillow cases, towels, until you think about toilet paper. it is disposable, you can use exactly what is necessary to gag her,

    you calmly walk to the toilet, grab a piece of paper. look at her and say: “open your mouth”. game over. just the threat is enough most of times. If she insists, continue that she’ll close her mouth once the paper touches her lips.

    the ketchup, cereal, and other stuff Roissy proposes only prove that the sinister American cuisine has infected with bad taste even the bathroom. toilet paper threat rocks.

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  16. With that behaviour, where you’re most likely to drive some previously non-greed-oriented women is precisely to find a guy who won’t do these things

    “just be yourself” alert!

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  17. bathroom===bedroom

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  18. I would take option Eric Cartman, pop the obligatory E-tabs, pop in some Kayne West, become the Human Torch to save the town from a legion of Jew-bots while wearing a cool leather jacket, then beating up Hugh Hefner to swoop all his playmates, and roll off in my time-traveling DeLorean.

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  19. The face-push is a great physical neg. One of the two best guys with women I know uses it all the time in the club.

    BTW his opener is to go just up to girls and lick their face.

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  20. what is this, open season on G-Man? geez… i always kind of like his posts even though they’re always the same.

    @Thursday – uh, that’s pretty unusual. how do those girls react to getting their faces licked by a stranger? inquiring minds want to know.

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  21. I love G’s answer to any issue that arises in life –

    Swoop some fly girls.

    Its pretty funny, but if you’re at that level, rings pretty true as well.

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  22. Well…women are pretty goddamn rugged.

    especially in the assal region

    like some of our ovarianally-handicapable contribs

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  23. normal service and (gr)avatar resumes.

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  24. Dwight Shrutte-ness is strong here. Some of you guys miss the point. Bitter burned-out drone throwing punches on his likely equially pathetic bitch is not dominating nor alpha whether he’ll go to jail for it or not. I bet might even end up in an ass-kicking if the girl’s chubby 😀
    What is panty-wetting there is “I am above you” message that push implies along with the raw power that gets the lizard-brain reaction.

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  25. now i see that pattern has repeated in a number of different posts. Mr.M, Jesus and Carl as well. I thought they were unique to each poster – guess not, or we’ve got we’ve got a lot of bot impostors.

    Oh well – my turn.

    I’d go for Option “F”: Snort some H, pop in some Wino (rehab? no, no, no) take off in my tricked out Cessna/Space Shuttle, zip over to Alpha Centauri to swoop some fly Orion Slave Girls, with a pocket square in my Brioni space suit.

    Sorry GMan – we love ya, but this is too much fun.

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  26. Since David isn’t a third rate, uncivilized brute, I have no reason to push a woman down like that regardless of how she has angered me or how it makes her aroused. I have enough self-respect and dignity not to emulate behaviours of trashy losers.

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  27. on June 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm gig w/a new pattern

    wanna see if my pattern changes

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  28. on June 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm Seeking Alpha

    not to emulate behaviours of trashy losers.

    Says the virgin prole about Cary Grant?

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  29. Mr.M

    “I love G’s answer to any issue that arises in life –

    Swoop some fly girls.

    Its pretty funny, but if you’re at that level, rings pretty true as well.”

    Swooping girls really is The Answer (and I am not talking about Iverson either).

    I have never had a bad time swooping a fly girl.

    – MPM

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  30. I’ve had guys lick my face. If we’re at a club, I feel -mildly- bad for them. “How’s that foundation taste?”

    But for the controlled anger moves, I’ve had a few of them used on me.

    -Hard wrist grab followed by push onto bed or sofa… always ends in sex.
    -Fronthanded slap… always ends in sex. Backhanded, not so much.
    -Pin her against the wall by her wrists or throat… always ends in sex.
    -Full-body toss… always ends in sex.
    -Cleaning items tossed with a “clean yourself up, whore” type line… tends to happen after sex and causes a segue into more sex.
    -Breast-grab/push backwards… usually ends in sex.

    I’ve yet to have food thrown at me in anger, but I can imagine I’d be too irritated at having to clean up said food that sex would be the last thing on my mind. Arousal non-existent, they’d be lucky to get laid (by me) in the next week.

    I’m surprised no one has yet to suggest rubbing her nose in the wet spot if anger occurs after sex… but it’s early still.

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  31. the state’s *truly* cruel and unusual (HIV from prison rape) countermeasures

    Why is American English full of offensive phrases that involve male-on-male sexual violence? What’s deal with the frequent use (in movies) of sayings like “your ass is mine”? And when reading discussion boards where ordinary Americans talk about proper punishment for criminals anal rape keeps being enthusiastically endorsed all the time. Why is that?

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  32. Maurice:

    Some of them like really like it and some of them don’t. It takes rock solid inner game to pull off, but when it works it really works. Kinda like the apocalypse opener.

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  33. Presumably you’ve all seen the movie; K.Hepburn’s character is nothing like the ladies described on this site as ideal. She’s not much younger, dumber, incredibly sweet, or any of that. She’s got sass and would never have chosen to be an elementary school teacher (if she had to work).

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  34. PoFlesh, in relationships where the girl is sweet and no anger arises, displays of strength/agression(?) like lifting and throwing is exciting for the girl. The push down on to knees, of the twirl over the sofa to expose the ass.

    Same with what I call the wife-beater claw, clamping the girl between your thumb and forefinger in her armpit and leading her around.

    I have to say that the rubbing the face in the wet spot move makes me wish my last couple of girls were bitchy at the right time…or could a guy just do it unprovoked, “along the clean yourself up, whore” move?

    Maybe you are a bitch on purpose to get these responses?

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  35. i had a guy ask once if he could lick my forehead. if you ask, the answer is always no.

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  36. markku – who knows. maybe some cosmic satisfaction from the rest of society at seeing the most violent criminals brutalized in the most humiliating way. never thought about it before – it’s a good question.

    speaking of prison rape:

    Best. Book. Review. Ever. (Even if it’s clearly a joke.)

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R2X2TB3S4O5I60/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

    i just about fell out of my chair the first time i read this…

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  37. That’s not a face palm; it’s called a “Big Face”.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=big+face

    I’ve never seen a Big Face quite like the one Grant laid down on Hepburn on that scene. Thanks for finding it roissy. Also, I wonder how many times they practiced that scene….it looked kind of natural, No? Hepburn and Grant were a couple in real life right?

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  38. on June 18, 2009 at 2:52 pm TurkishThought

    Years ago,I had an ex-girlfriend, who I had just dumped, come screeching into my driveway, jump out of my car and scream for me.

    She was screaming and crying and making a huge scene. I took her into my garage and she screamed some more. Finally, I could take no more and told her to get the hell off my property and turned my back to her and walked toward my kitchen door. While my back was turned, she picked up a small metal clamp and hit me int he back of the dead. It hurt like hell, and as I felt the back of my head, I realzied I was bleeding. I turned around and punched her squarely on the face. Knocked her out cold.

    To make a long story short, after dragging her into the house and waking her, we talked and agreed to not mention this to anybody. that was 15 years ago and since that time she has been a semi-steady fuck buddy. Through my marriage and her marriage and many relationships, I still use her at befits her statuts.

    I’m not embarrassed or ashamed of hitting a girl. Any girl who thinks they can’t get away with acting like a man and harm me without consequences, has a big surprise coming their way.

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  39. Food fights are welcome. But, no form of violence — with or without cooked dishes, fresh fruits/vegetables, condiments of any kind, with or without artificial coloring, etc.– should be exercised in a moment of anger. It is a poor use of both human and natural resources.

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  40. @al – yes, that was her movie persona, and the plot arc of her typical movie showed her high-spirited nature ultimately submitting to a man. (see “woman of the year”, “african queen”, any of the tracy movies, etc., in addition to this one.) kind of a “taming of the shrew” template from a male/conventional Hollywood point of view. so doesn’t that actually deomnstrate one of the undelying points of this blog?

    also let me know in advance if you were joking – you know i have a “problem” with humor…

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  41. on June 18, 2009 at 3:00 pm TurkishThought

    To snatch magnet
    Dude, Seriously? In the context of what’s going down in the bedroom, sure a little strong arm domination will work wonders in most cases. But, that’s consensual.
    If you mean to say that an alpha can resort to force to control or rebuke a woman, man you are out of your tree. Hell, why not light her shit on fire? That’ll teach her who’s boss.

    Do us all a favor and call yourself “snatch” becuase your weak as arguments hold no water in reality. Your just another apologist for womyn.

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  42. What planet are you living on?

    While funny and oh-so-satisfying to see on the screen, the backfire risk is not worth it. If you are man and there is a domestic dispute, you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

    I knew a bloke in college who pushed his girlfriend to the floor in a heated, personal argument, only to have a fiasco ensue when she went to the local police and claimed abuse.

    I knew another guy, family friend, who was falsely acused of rape by his psychotic fiance, and a multi-year, multi-thousand dollar legal battle nearly ruined his life.

    Im with Z on this one. 50-100 years ago, women wouldnt pop off to a man like they do today because they would get belted. But to be–quite literally–facing several tormented years of prison rape because you fancied it would be “alpha” to choke-slam some broad who then took matters to the police (or worse, her friends, THEN the police) is reason enough to check yourself and just punch a hole in the drywall.

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  43. on June 18, 2009 at 3:05 pm Willard Libby

    It’s a classic scene. One of my favorites. But it’s funny and it works when people give it greater context.

    It’s not some ugly, inferior guy beating up a soft girl.

    It’s Cary Fuckin Grant, one of the handsomest actors out there. A man known for class and style put into a situation with a pushy, unfeminine, not overly attractive woman Katherine Hepburn.

    It works because of the dynamic. He’s too good for her, he could do better but he’s with her and trying to be a good guy and she’s an ingrate.

    She got what she deserved. The end of the scene with her on the ground wrapped it up because it showed the audience that she wasn’t hurt and that she realized she got what was coming to her.

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  44. maurice

    That review was great. “Defecating” in mail boxes. Does that need a French accent (“I poop on your mail”)?

    So the secret is before you push your girlfriend (and face arrest and prison) read The Secret.

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  45. BTW here is the James Cagney grapefruit scene from The Public Enemy (1931):

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  46. I was being serious, and I understand the taming of the shrew angle. A lot of what goes on here, though, sounds like taming of the sweetheart for ltr, and taming of the shrew for fb. Tracy Haven was not a sweetheart (at least not her public persona.)

    Blame the blankness of the keyboard and my dislike of ‘lol’ and such for any ‘humor’ shortcomings.

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  47. Turkish –

    I agree, however…

    the way the legal system is set, that is unfortunately not the case. If a woman hits a man, and a man retorts, get ready for some jail time.

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  48. ONLY if the woman chooses to do so, I will add.

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  49. Hepburn was a total cunt in real life: left wing husband-stealing feminazi bitch. She got better older, but she really was a poor, one-note actress when she started out.

    Cary Grant was reportedly mostly Cary Grant, his words to the contrary notwithstanding. Come on; Ian Fleming modelled James Bond on Grant.

    And a Republican. Good man all around.

    Any notes on Game for me tonight? got a date: movie. Start Trek.

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  50. I agree with Roissy in principle. You need to be physically as well as emotionally/mentally dominant. However it is possible to go overboard with some of these moves in a way that could backfire. A particular viscious or violent manuever could cross the line from being dominant (moist pussy) to abusive (low value male).

    When my girl wont shut up or is annoying me I just grab her, turn her around, wrap my arms around her from behind (immobilizing her arms and covering her mouth with a hand), squeezing hard enough to show that I could crush her if i wanted but not so much that it hurts her. Im completely controlling her body but also showing restraint and control. Maybe Ill throw her on the bed and jump on top or maybe pin her against the wall. Usually I can feel her mouth turn into a grin and she will submit and then start trying to bite my fingers or licking them. Or she will playfully resist, inviting more force on my part to resestablish domination…this usually leads to sex. The same principle applies to dominating another man… maybe you’re wrestling your little brother…you pin him down with just the right amount of force needed to show dominance. You dont have to completely destroy him to show him who’s boss but just that you COULD destroy him if you wanted to.

    In either case the hierchy and power dynamic is established but the relationship of respect/attraction is preserved.

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  51. Most women who complain of abuse are two fold:

    1) they seek out abusers, ignoring betas, and only file if some social worker makes them—and then go right back to an abuser afterwards (Paglia: “Because the sex is so hot.”)

    2) they file false charges, which is the majority; because, in this pc-culture, a charge of abuse, like racism or rape, stains you without proof.

    note that all 3 of those are put on white men the most.

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  52. @default- my favorite part is that he read five chapters of the book before he realised his cellmate had given him a shiv- and that’s also the meta-humor of the review, implying that that kind of book is worthless for any other purpose. a masterpiece.

    @al – i knew you were being serious, i was referring to yesterday when i didn’t get that you were joking about male office attire. (if indeed you are the same poster.)

    i don’t think roissy or any of the other dudes here advocate dating only doormats. sweet and passive girls, though lower-maintenance, are usually not very interesting over the long term. (unless they’re so beautiful that it doesn’t matter.) i guess that’s the source of the appeal of the shrew/kate plotline: alpha/high-maintenance women are more work, more drama, but they’re attainable and will always be won over in the end.

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  53. @lurker – is this the opera girl? good job! trek is kind of a guy movie, so good – your turf. have a cool second venue to move to after. decide a few things you want to know about her and think of funny lines/scripts to elicit that information, with you as the chooser/setter of hoops.

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  54. Says the virgin prole about Cary Grant?

    He is playing a loser in a film. That does not imply he was one in real life.

    What we see in the clip and what most posters have described is physical dominance without real physical violence.

    Yes, but in real life she could have been hurt, and you’d look like a tool. And if you’re a beta, the beta penalty brake alert will leave a permanent mental reminder of your stupidity and callousness.

    His revenge was not violent but was within the level she set by her actions.

    My revenge would have been to leave, go enjoy my hobbies, and find a better woman. Throwing her around is merely the behaviour of the undignified.

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  55. maurice

    “@GMan – that movie is from 1940, so long before Dino was on the scene. Ain’t that a kick in the head. ”

    Good point.

    Maybe some Benny Goodman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJ4dpNal_k

    – MPM

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  56. I’d go for Option G : Hop in my Packard, pop in some Benny Goodman, swill some bathtub gin, and swoop some fly bobby soxers …

    … A G-Man for every Generation.

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  57. @poetry- i looked at your blog the other night. it’s a very interesting mix of talking about every day life, mild sexual deviance and baring youl soul. you have a lot of potential as a writer – keep at it. and good luck with your year as a hostess! maybe you can invite roissy and his posse to your events…?

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  58. Every girl I know who is actually ‘sweet’ is pretty much a doormat (and kind of dim.) I know a lot very nice ladies who may or may not be, but sweet in my experience = yes ok sure whatever.

    Then again, every elementary school teacher I know (admittedly not that many) seems to have adopted a strong habit of talking down and over explaining everything, presumably from being around kids so much. Also kind of controlling. They seem to be a favored ltr prospect around here, so *shrug*.

    He is playing a loser in a film.
    Actually he’s not, he’s playing someone who lives by his own rules. He also seems to love Tracy, and choses to remarry her, despite having other prospects.

    I would think a girl’s tolerance of such physical displays would be similar to verbal ones. If she loves it when you verbally big face her, why not the occasional physical? Lock me in a closet until I apologize, though, and we’ll make perfectly amicable exs.

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  59. @al – temperament and intelligence are different things. they do tend to correlate in real people, though, so i see what you mean. the taming of the shrew thing is good for an alpha because it’s a challenge he can win: if it’s the opposite, if he finds out he’s linked himself to an incorrigible bitch, well then there’s no happy ending like in the movies: he moves on, she ends up alone because no man worth the name will put up with endless shit. part of the point of this blog, as i hope you see, is that this is a logical endpoint of the kind of feminist ideology that disrespects men and disregards male behaviors and prerogatives.

    and where did you see that us roissyites love to date elementary school teachers? don’t they date down, with …uh, their students … a lot of the time…? 😉 Le Tourneau actually married the twelve year old she seduced as soon as he became legal. (where were these teachers when *I* was twelve…)

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  60. on June 18, 2009 at 3:53 pm Marcus Aureliette

    joker, smoker, etc:

    No, this is the only name I post under. I don’t know who the other person is. I think there are a finite number of patterns to go around.

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  61. @marcus – default already figured that out: it’s the pattern that comes up when you don’t enter an e-mail address.

    — gangster of love

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  62. Grant had a history of physical abuse in his personal life. Therefore his natural “Big Face” of Hepburn. Only years and years of Big Facing a bitch can make the act seem so natural on screen.

    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/biography-of-cary-grant.html

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  63. on June 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm Willard Libby

    I don’t think couples should fight in front of anybody. I don’t like public displays of aggression or affection between couples. Keep it private.

    And no I don’t like to say shut up either. I’d like to hear her point of view but some women are bat shit crazy.

    You might be rational and wonderful, many other women are not.

    They abuse men with their insanity.

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  64. on June 18, 2009 at 4:08 pm Marcus Aureliette

    “just be yourself” alert!

    No, merely a “there are consequences for actions” alert. What’s advocated here stands just as much chance of pushing a woman to retaliate as it does of pushing her into your bed.

    Do as you see fit, but it’d be prudent to weigh the risk of it.

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  65. on June 18, 2009 at 4:11 pm Marcus Aureliette

    gangster:

    @marcus – default already figured that out: it’s the pattern that comes up when you don’t enter an e-mail address.

    Doh! That’s what I get for not reading all the way through the comments. Thanks.

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  66. @maurice, I extrapolated and assigned to all. I take it back! and drop it.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/what-a-girls-job-tells-you/

    I have no idea how I’d react to any of the above, not having experienced it, but I suspect some hysteria would be involved. I can think of a few friends, though, that I think would definitely get off on it; they’re not the kind ones.

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  67. @homer aureliette- no worries. btw, you don’t look like a female version of richard harris, do you? (*gladiator reference alert*)

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  68. Poetry of Flesh–

    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.
    … always ends in sex.

    I like the way you typically deal with the lose ends.

    With the right kinda guy, anyway.

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  69. loose.

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  70. Poetry of Flesh

    It gives him an excuse, gives him justification, gives him the motivation, the stimulation to do whatever the hell he wants with me.

    And, if I’m lucky, it’s rough enough.

    Oh yuuum.

    I’m liking you more and more.

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  71. Few things:

    1. Here’s a version with sound

    The whimsical nature of the soundtrack is shocking to a modern sensibility in its own right. The movies sure have changed in 70 years! That said, movie leftism (like cultural leftism more generally) has more of a U-shape than a strictly upward trend over the course of the 20th century.

    Many people don’t know that movies *were* leftist and subversive both after *and* before the “Golden Age”. Joseph Breen and the Hayes Code were a huge factor here in only allowing relatively culturally conservative movies through, just like the Comics Code was for comics (before that point you had EC comics and Tales from the Crypt, during you had Superman, and afterwards you had the X-Men).

    This too has a counterintuitive message — censorship can work! Of course, you knew this on some level…there are certain “banned books” which aren’t formally banned, but just perenially out of print and liable to merit you a shunning if you read them in public.

    2. Returning to the clip, the main interesting thing here is that this is quite literally the only time I have ever seen a movie where the “domestic abuser” is an uncomplicated good guy.

    A big part of the picture is that there is no acknowledged intermediate between complete disarmament and villainous brutality. That is, there is basically *no* socially legitimate/controlled way for a middle class man to express anger. No duels. No more justifiable homicide exception for in flagrante delicto. Not even schoolyard fistfights.

    Into this vacuum step the socially approved role models for violence….ghetto rap stars. So we have this bizarre polarity where men are alternately encouraged to be either submissive, effeminate betas (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy!) OR to imitate uninhibited, guttural, animalistic violence. In the persona of people like Spencer Ackerman, you have both at the same time.

    3. Now, the interesting thing here is that the kinds of things that make men gravitate toward rap videos (the violence, the women, the money, the fame) could easily be packaged in a socially useful format. Thought experiment: imagine if every rap video was replaced by a cleaned up pro-military video. The violence is against the outgroup. The women are shown to love a man in uniform, with the action implied and left off screen. The money comes from the private sector job for leadership. The fame from the Medal of Honor.

    Overnight, you could *instantly* swap out hip-hop and replace it with something far healthier.

    Because young boys and men *need* militaristic role models. If you don’t give them organized violence, they will gravitate towards the chaotic black anomic violence of rap, whose message is to destroy your civilization and women rather than to protect them.

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  72. Poetry of Flesh–

    (see my welcome to you at the end of the prior thread, before I got on over to here.)

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  73. @al – that was before i showed up here. it’s a pretty good list – about what i’d expect from roissy.

    hysteria? uh, thanks sherlock! 😉 all these scenarios are for when the passions are up on both sides. and you seem to be implying that the kind of girls who like to get slapped around usually have mean personalities? not that i’d know, but that doesn’t always seem to be the case.

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  74. on June 18, 2009 at 4:26 pm Marcus Aureliette

    maurice:

    LOL! Indeed I don’t! (I thought the movie very good, btw, but too sad to ever watch again. Same with “The Untouchables”. I just can’t cope with Sean Connery’s exit.)

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  75. you wanna act like a man,
    you get treated like a man.

    alot of woman seem to think they have some right to verbal assault a guy, destory his property and physicaly assault him and the guy should’nt do a damn thing about it.

    if a woman destroyed my things and/or strikes me, she’s gonna wake up on the ground with her jaw hurting.

    anothing thing is guys let an angry woman slide too much. i would’nt give a damn what she was angry about, she better know where the line is and not to cross it.

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  76. This movie clip was funny.

    Interaction like this is actually really playful, sexual, and shows the couple is in-tune.

    Domestic violence is on another level, this is a game.

    The woman is pushing his buttons because she wants that kind of attention. The man knows he’s dealing with a little firecracker and he knows how keep her interested.

    He knows her limits – he only pushed, not hit. She knows his limit (she dropped some of his stuff, she didn’t set fire to his whole wardrobe).

    If he’d have stopped and said, “Oh, honey, what’s wrong, what did I do?” he’d have gotten it all wrong. Misunderstanding her needs.

    And they both know how it will end when he comes home…

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  77. @gc – “socially approved role models for violence….ghetto rap stars.” don’t forget pro sports, boxing, etc. – all major outlets for the male violent impulse. your idea of replacing hip hop videos with military promos sounds a lot like … most of the john wayne-type movies about WWII made in the 50s. minus the hip hop music and sexual charge.

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  78. on June 18, 2009 at 4:30 pm Cliff Arroyo

    Katherine Hepburn was a very smart lady, her film career was in very bad shape when this movie came out and saved it.

    And it was just this scene that had a lot to do with it. Her less than cordial departure from RKO had made her seem especially unsympathetic (in an era when middle America wanted its leading ladies to be nice and ladylike). She knew the American public wanted to see her taken down a notch and she obliged (it opens the movie).

    It was a trick she continued for a lot of the 40’s and 50’s allowing her characters to be humbled just enough to not turn audiences against her but without changing her basic style.

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  79. the E-tabs available back in 1940 were fuckin’ killer.

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  80. on June 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm Cannon's Canon

    I choose option H:
    Inject some test prop, slurp a spoonful of G, throw some Cascada on the decks, and stand on my head while spinning around, burrowing a hole into the Center of the Earth, where I would then swoop some Morlock bitches. Then I would human-tunnel back up to Seaside Heights and swoop some classy broads from Bamboo, all while wearing my camoflage G-Unit wifebeater, gold crucifix, and trademark blowout hairstyle.

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  81. @marcus- then you no doubt write elegant Meditations on the decline of the empire and the pleasure of serving the noble institutions that sustain civilization.

    gee, your handle is *way* more serious than mine. i should lighten up and start writing about jungle love.

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  82. Few more thoughts, to anticipate some counterarguments.

    4. Some might say that verbal and physical attacks are fundamentally different. This is really one of the core tenets of modern society: for civilized men, almost unlimited verbal aggression is permissible, but the most minimal physical retaliation is verboten. Set aside for now the structural advantage this gives to the verbally agile (such as women or HLS grads) over the physically powerful (such as men or US marines).

    Consider instead the fact that words and images aren’t some abstract thing, but work because they enter through the eye and ear to cause physical changes in the brain. In a limit case, you can cause epilepsy by a series of flashing images, or deafness by subjecting someone to incredible volume. But one need not progress to a limit case. You can predictably change a man or woman’s heart rate and hormonal activity by reciting a particular series of words, or showing them a particular set of images.

    In fact, that’s a good chunk of what game is about. Words ARE powerful. Anyone who works with the command line will understand that while you can’t get root on a human, you most certainly can manipulate, attack, hurt, and humiliate people with words.

    
Note my qualifier at the beginning — the retaliation constraint applies only to civilized men. For the uncivilized brute, a racial slur (real, imagined, or invented) justifies any kind of attack, up to and including murder. Freeeee the Jena Six!

    5. Some might say that “ghetto rap stars” are *not* socially approved. I’d beg to differ. Not only are they constantly on national TV, the President of the United States admits to having them on his Ipod without being run out of office on a rail, and the head of the RNC uses ghetto slang in just about every speech.

    Whatever is on TV has been socially approved by whole panels of people. To paraphrase one of Fred Reed’s better essays, “You don’t tell people what to do. They might resist. Instead you show it being done over and over again. And they will imitate it.” The television is a one-way conversation where you can only listen, not argue back. It installs software in your brain as surely as any Windows Service Pack. For how else would children in rural Montana start imitating the slang and mannerisms of inner city New York when there isn’t a ghetto dweller for miles around?

    Again, whatever is on TV has been socially approved. Consider this: would you ever see a pro-Nazi or Klan video on MTV? The concept is almost too ridiculous to envision. Here are perhaps the only two right wing videos I can think of; the first one is framed in left-wing terms, and the second would never make it onto MTV:

    Korn, Evolution

    Stuck Mojo, Open Season

    6. Finally, some might find a contrast between a society where something like this video is condoned AND men protect their women against outside threats.

    Yet feminists see no contrast — they’d argue that protection goes hand in hand with some degree of control/ownership. Of course they’d assign a negative moral valence to this, but at least they see no contradiction.

    The underlying dynamic here is “no one washes a rental car”. If men don’t feel that their woman is loyal to them, they won’t be loyal to their woman.

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  83. I would advise against ALL of these moves. Really, only Black or Hispanic guys can get away with them. Chris Brown will apparently face no charges — he’s Black. It’s OK. A White celebrity would be in jail. Heck Rhianna loves the guy more than ever.

    Rather, I’d advocate very carefully using body positioning to “invade space.” Most guys give women lots of space. Simply get up close to her. Assume a controlling, dominant posture. Look her firmly in the eye. Make her move around you (don’t block her from moving). Don’t say anything. DO NOT TOUCH HER. Simply remind her that you are in fact the Alpha male.

    This move is … risky. You should only use it in a very LTR relationship, and then only under extreme provocation. Use only once.

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  84. @gig: “she starts talking non-stop, you start wondering about how to gag her, looking around, and seeing that nothing would serve: mattresses, pillow cases, towels, until you think about toilet paper.”

    As far as I am concerned, god gave man the penis to cure women’s propensity for chattering off the hook. As long as you have a dick, no need to reach for toilet paper. Works every time for me. Insert penis, and at least they won’t be boring you any more.

    A useful thing; having a talon like grip. If you work a faggoty office job, your hands and wrists will be weak, like a woman’s. Work some Captains of Crunch grippers and maybe some heavy rack pulls and, well, strong grip is scary; makes you like superman.

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  85. The underlying dynamic here is “no one washes a rental car”.

    Yes, but people do take care of their leased cars…

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  86. on June 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm Cliff Arroyo

    As for women being turned on by physical force.

    Humans really are just chimpanzees with higher IQs. Non-human primates routinely use physical violence to elicit submission displays (and the dominant monkey will often offer grooming or other nice monkey behavior in return for submission).

    On the surface, conventional heterosexual intercourse requires a submissive physical display from the female as she presents her vulva for the male to penetrate.

    Human brains are pretty complex and the wires are constantly getting mixed up so it’s not surprising that the instinctive submissive response to violence gets cross-circuited with sex and that a significant minority of women respond to low level phsyical violence with submissive sex displays.

    (Chronic or high level violence on the other hand simply inspires fear and/or paralysis and is liable to end up with you getting burned up alive when she thinks the only way out is to kill you in your sleep).

    That said, it’s a large leap from that (given ethical and moral considerations) to the idea that roughing women up is a good policy in a relationship. There are women who clearly desire to be smacked around some because it gets them hot (like aoefe) but it’s not a good long term strategy for civilization.

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  87. Big Red’s just mad
    she can’t figure out how
    to view that YouTube clip

    in color

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  88. on June 18, 2009 at 5:05 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “Chris Brown will apparently face no charges — he’s Black. It’s OK. A White celebrity would be in jail. Heck Rhianna loves the guy more than ever.”

    I thought (to the degree I follow these things) that she’d dumped him and the reason he won’t face charges is that he’s (still) a valuable commercial property capable of generating money for his corporate owners.

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  89. @cliff, whiskey – you both may be right on chris brown. it seems to me that they want to get back together, but need a suitable interval to pass to avoid another media frenzy. he needs to be found not guilty first, of course. and since he’s a celebrity, that’s a given.

    @gc – i just ran the sound version you posted. i wouldn’t call that whimsical exactly- it’s pretty standard for the gifted composers of the golden age of hollywood. notice how every motion is perfectly reflected in the music. the composers were shown the film and then composed music to fit the action exactly. the theme that shows up when kate walks out the door is the main musical theme of the film – i had forgotten it until i heard it again just now.

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  90. Re PDA. I find before I’ve slept with a girl, I seem to go all out on PDA. But afterwards none at all

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  91. @maurice, not at all, I just meant that of my friends the ones I can practically guarantee would fit this: their wet pussies belie their words. They LOVE to be dominated. are my more (in terms accessible here) feminazi friends. I’m too lazy to find it, but Roissy’s ‘the time I backhanded my woman’ post, would so completely work on some of my shrillest friends.

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  92. Tood:

    Is it just me, or does it appear that women on ‘Amihotornot.com’ are overrated by the crowd?

    All sorts of 6s and 7s, are getting 9.0 or better ratings there. What gives? Are the users of that site so detached from examples of real beauty?

    You don’t get to see the raw scores. The official score is normalized somehow. Here is how they explain it:

    “Official HOT or NOT scores are normalized to account for things such as the fact that different people have different voting styles. For instance, some people, for reasons unknown to us, only vote 1-5. Should a 5 from these people count as a 5?”

    I don’t know for sure but I think they also normalize by age group. I don’t see how older women could get so high ratings otherwise.

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  93. My action of leaving him for his second offense shows what abusing women gets you.

    A woman to raise his child on her own without qualm? Sounds like an alpha utopia. Maybe I should impregnate every woman possible, then beat them.

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  94. Cliff

    She knew the American public wanted to see her taken down a notch and she obliged (it opens the movie).

    It was a trick she continued for a lot of the 40’s and 50’s allowing her characters to be humbled just enough to not turn audiences against her but without changing her basic style.

    In contrast to how the general American public saw her when she was playing first run in the theaters, she’s always been a super heroine to early and proto feminists and maybe all feminists still. By the later 1970’s she had become so iconic to feminist women that while I won’t say men hooking up with such exponents of and voracious participants in casual sex at universities had to be devotees of Katherine Hepburn, it was unwise to be unable to stand her, and real smart to find something positive to say about her.

    It didn’t have to be elaborate or extensive or totally in love. Admiring and respecting was the right note. “Love that she’s such a strong and intelligent woman, except ….” was generally just fine, in passing that particular feminist political shit test. Which is just exactly what it was. (Too much enthusiasm probably wasn’t good either — then.)

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  95. @al- that’s pretty common, actually. the more the surface feminazi, the deeper the need to be dominated. there was a piece recently that i saw on gawker, about the editor of the feminist newsletter at Yale, or some total cliche like that, who liked to be spanked in the bedroom. true story.

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  96. gc,

    precisely.

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  97. on June 18, 2009 at 5:49 pm The Alchemist

    If in your relationship the significant other is willing to disrespect you so egregiously, as in this video, then it matters not how you handle that particular incident. It’s too late. This incident is just a symptom of the disease rotting your relationship from the inside – betaness. You’ve obviously made large and numerous mistakes in the course of your relationship that have led the female to believe that you’re most definitely not a dominant male. She has no respect for her man and will behave as a petulant little twit with little to no fear of retribution. Using physcial dominance at this point in the game does nothing but shine a light on the futility of your ability to garner your partners respect. Thinking a little push down on the ground is going to turn this woman’s perspective of you around is nothing but fanciful thinking and belongs in the movies, not in real life. What happens in real life? She goes and tells her family, her friends, your friends, your family, maybe the police and god knows who else that you’ve abused her. Socially, it’s a disaster for you. Any men i know who’ve taken this route have lost their social standing and end up with a huge stigma attached to them – especially if you live in a small town. The true alpha would dump this broad on the spot and be sharing drinks and flirting with a new girl that evening.

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  98. Lady –

    Obviously I went over the top… And yes I, and I’m sure various others, are aware of your personal disgust/small threshold for domestic violence.

    That’s fine.

    What you’re seemingly missing is the context in which the roissy advocated abuse happens. There’s a difference between pushing the mother of your child and child down, or into a wall versus slapping a woman while fucking her while she’s begging for it.

    Poetry makes a good point above that this violence, and the effectiveness of it, depends on everyone’s preference.

    Is roissy advocating beating the shit out of every woman on a daily basis? Or, reminding a feminist driven drone (or at least, a woman saturated by feminist ideals), in a very isolated and most likely well deserved situation, that he is still a “man” without actually beating the shit out of her?

    Please, do answer.

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  99. Any man thinking of the threat of prison rape when interacting with women is so over-civilized and jammed-up sexually it ain’t even funny.

    The Cary Grant character was cool with leaving, or getting thrown out or whatever, UNTIL she gratuitously broke his golf club. Pure vandalism. But even that wasn’t the punishable offense. The punishable offense was the look she gave, and the turning her back, as if to say, “there, I determine what is right and what is wrong; I mete out justice via destruction…” –note before I go on that she was calm, not having a temper tantrum –sure her blood was up, but that was a knowing, controlled, and controlling look. Yes, that is it, controlling. As if… she… were… his MOTHER.

    That’s why she need to be taken down a peg.

    Now think about it if she was a guy. What if you got in an argument with some bud of yours and he, unilaterally, started breaking some of your crap. AND gave you a look like what are you going to do about it?!!

    Well, what are you going to do about it? Just take it? Who the F is that guy to trash you’re stuff?

    Who the F is this woman to determine what crap of yours gets to stay in one piece?

    Prison rape is a cop-out. Me, I’m scared of it as much as the next guy. But, and we’re just talking and thinking here, it seems to me if you’re holding back on dealing with women because of that contingency, then, in a way, you’re already taking it in a very serious way. Hold back because you are in control of yourself. Hold back because she ain’t worth it. Hold back because you’re a big, charitable, no-sweat, laid back, sure honey that crap don’t mean much to me anyway guy. (Like how Roissy cited Grant pulling a punch in favor of the face plant.) Hold back because it might be the right thing to do and you’re not too sure. But holding back because you are scared of some unnamed, off-in-the-distance, remote contingency of some big bad black man seems absurd. A life lived in fear is a life half-lived. Or: For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

    My point, I think, is that you have to deal with women somehow. You might come into conflict. Now you might just want to run away from some crazy bitch who acts like she needs her ass whooped. Me too. Your call. But any sort of unilateral disarmament statement… Well, it’s lame. It’s self-abuse. And, probably, when and if push does come to shove, hypocritical. “We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under.” –Martin van Creveld. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option. Be honest. You don’t really want to go gently into that good night do you? You might as well get your head set on straight and prepare a new mental stance: yes, you will respond; there are things you will fight for.

    And we’ll cross the prison-rape bridge if and when we get to it.

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  100. Lady –

    Sigh. Do your homework, before you bring your banter.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/hitting-a-woman-will-turn-her-on/

    Here’s a choice quote:

    Note that hitting a woman is context dependent. You cannot walk up to a random woman on the street, slap her in the grill, and expect her to jump your bone. Nor can you hit a woman on the first date, hoping it will close the deal.

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  101. on June 18, 2009 at 6:14 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “It didn’t have to be elaborate or extensive or totally in love. Admiring and respecting was the right note”

    Was ‘admiring and respecting’ so hard??? Hepburn was never really a personal favorite (from that era I tend more toward Bette Davis for temperament and Margaret Sullavan for womanliness). But it’s hard to not be impressed by her drive and smarts (and determination to march to her own drummer).

    And her performance in Long Day’s Journey into Night is one of the miracles of movie history:

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  102. @firepower – writing comments now in quasi-haiku form, eh?

    @doug – “the lion in winter” is the ultimate kate movie, one you don’t associate with her feminist baggage. peter o’toole is every bit her equal and match.

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  103. Lady –

    I’m not sure if the video displays verbal aggression on the part of the woman (blocked at work; plus not interested enough to look at it via my phone)….

    I’m not aware of him advocating physical violence in reaction to verbal aggression/assault either; I re-read the article…and am thinking about yesterday’s article, too. Don’t really see any “tit for tat” type of thought process.

    Keep in mind, again, that this is based on the context of the situation. I believe roissy knows that if he back hands a girl in public because she dropped food on him (or something lesser in nature), he’s probably going to get slapped with an assault charge…maybe. However, if he gives her a “Hard wrist grab followed by push onto bed or sofa” because she spat on his face, most likely nothing will happen.

    From my perspective, roissy is advocating not to take shit from a woman and cower like a little girl, and then beg for forgiveness later. Be a man, be assertive, and lay down the law when necessary.

    While I do agree with your eye for an eye thought process, in this day and age its not really an option. And like whiskey mentioned early, physical violence is a very risky proposition for any man.

    A side thought however, is how damaging verbal abuse is compared to physical. And how prevalent either is in society.

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  104. According to Jim Goad, you meet the nicest people in prison:
    http://www.jimgoad.net/pdf/prison/nicest.pdf

    Prisons are safer than their reputation, perhaps because so many regular guys now are imprisoned. The rape thing is much exaggerated. And Jim Goad went to prison precisely for beating up his girlfriend.

    Feminist laws against domestic violence and the like will make prisons even safer, making women less safe as men fear prison less.

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  105. I think this is really context dependent, physically dominating a woman can be an absolute alpha act, but in some cases striking a woman is just the mark of a loser.

    For me, there’s a huge difference between the first movie clip and the one of the grapefruit in the face posted further down in the comments. In the first Cary Grant seems totally in control of himself, doing just what’s necessary to put Katharine Hepburn in he place and show that yes, he is in possession of a set. It’s a hot scene, and in such a case I could see myself spending quite a lot of time on my knees in atonement…

    In the second clip, the guy just seemed like a bitch to me. His reaction seemed over the top, like he was out of control, which is one sign of a weak man. Pull a move like that, in that type of context and you’re likely to receive an unpleasant visit from the girl’s brothers.

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  106. maurice adroitly commented:

    @firepower – writing comments now in quasi-haiku form, eh?

    whatever fixes attention upon me and my superb poetic artistry, yes.

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  107. “physically dominating a woman can be an absolute alpha act, but in some cases striking a woman is just the mark of a loser.”

    this is true, and one of the reasons i can’t say that only lesser or higher alphas hit their women.

    i’ve heard many stories along these lines, but my grandmother’s first husband used to smack her around (this was in the 1940s). she left him after a while, but he always came crawling back asking for her forgiveness. i’m not sure how many times he renegged on his promise, but he beat her again.

    if the man was such an alpha by definition, then why would he come crawling back to my grandmother time and again? i thought alpha was being able to have pussy on the best possible terms for the man….and with today’s laws and social mores, hitting a woman is not getting pussy on your own terms.

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  108. marriages and relationships have certain “barriers to exit”. people don’t like to end relationships on a whim; that’s one of the reasons that women seem to come back to men that beat them.

    the pussy-dripping sex, if that actually occurs (nobody’s *proven* anything along these lines, yet), may merely be a strategy on the woman’s part to maintain the relationship.

    i know this might be picking nits, but this provides the difference between a woman *enjoying* being beaten and a woman *allowing* a certain amount of physicality.

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  109. <a href="http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/great-scenes-of-game-in-the-movies-4/#comment-93260"Marcus Aureliette informed us that:

    Same with “The Untouchables”. I just can’t cope with Sean Connery’s exit.)

    Frank Nitti’s exit on the other hand…

    Frank Nitti: I said your friend died screaming like a stuck Irish pig. Now you think about that when I beat the rap.
    [He runs a comb through his hair and walks toward the door. Ness, enraged, grabs him from behind and pushes him past the door]

    Ness: Hey… hey!
    [Ness propels him toward the ledge]

    Frank Nitti: HEY!
    [Ness pushes him off the roof. He falls, screaming]

    Ness: Did he sound anything like THAT?

    [IMDB link]

    Now that is how is physical dominance. If Frank had been a woman, he would have died happy. 🙂

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  110. Screwing up HTML tags is probably not Alpha.

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  111. Chuck noted, tenderly:

    marriages and relationships have certain “barriers to exit”. people don’t like to end relationships on a whim; that’s one of the reasons that women seem to come back to men that beat them.

    yes, it is a shame there are no shelters for women. No resources. What we need is a Government Program

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  112. on June 18, 2009 at 7:26 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “Women love, love, love abusive, violent, and dangerous men”

    Now this is where you’re wrong.

    Women love men that give off certain signals (casual social dominance) that in 21st century anonymous urban culture happen to be held mostly by abusive, violent and dangerous men (or smiley-faced sociopaths like Roissy).
    In pre-industrial those signals were probably given off by men that behaved somewhat differently.

    In other words, womens’ evolution-derived preferences have become maladaptive in (catastrophically so in the case of some sub-cultures). In other words they need to start thinking with their heads and not their pussies (which will always leed them astray just as mens dicks lead them astray).

    Both mens and womens primal urges need a _lot_ of tempering by culture and education for civil society (which has brought humanity its greatest ever living conditions) to function. The congame cult approaches of Roissy and Roosv and their like are just making things worse (or course they’re trying to pretend they’re a counteractive force to feminism run amuck, that’s no reason for anyone with any brains to believe them).

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  113. Lady –

    It seems like your assumption is that adults are always calm, cool, collected, and rational. Okay, maybe not that far in that direction…

    I pretend not to know the kind of women roissy deals with on a daily basis (the DC crowd). But i’m fairly certain that they are not the most calm, collected, rational bunch out there.

    That said, I know its pretty fucking hard to remain in a non-aggressive state when you have your love interest say… yelling at the top of her lungs, throwing an unbelievable fit, and not letting an issue go for X amount of time, even if you’ve discussed said issue 3 times in rational logic.

    Keep in mind that roissy does not have all of his examples as being truly physically violent, maybe 3/13. I guess a double boob grab sounds lovely from my PoV.

    That said, I don’t think you can truly generalize roissy’s statements to advocating physical violence. THAT said, I personally wouldn’t backhand a woman unless it was in self defense (ie: trying to cut my balls off).

    You don’t have to debunk everything roissy says in such generalized terms. Although, I know you’re doing it just to get a rise…so, whatever.

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  114. Screwing up HTML tags is probably not Alpha.

    Seriously.

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  115. on June 18, 2009 at 7:33 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “if the man was such an alpha by definition, then why would he come crawling back to my grandmother time and again?”

    The best ever program on domestic violence (on the BBC of all places) mentioned this particular dynamic:

    A woman said that she put up with her husband beating her up regularly for years because it was such a high when he apologized (she felt, she said, ‘like the queen of the world’ during his abject remorse which she never lasted very long). She got addicted to the spectacle of his shame (and her own sweet martyrdom).

    Peepelz iz fukt up.

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  116. Mr.M

    SRSLY as another poster would say.

    Actually I did deliver a beat down to the keyboard for its transgression.

    As you can see it came crawling back.

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  117. Default –

    I bet its cuz you finger it so good. Predictable little bitch.

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  118. Mr.M

    It quivers when I hit the “G” key.

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  119. Firepower:

    “What we need is a Government Program”

    you said it, not me.

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  120. Arpagus:

    “Feminist laws against domestic violence and the like will make prisons even safer, making women less safe as men fear prison less.”

    So prisons are safer because of regular guys, but households are less safe because of regular guys?

    Do explain.

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  121. Default –

    Sadly, my “G” key is broken…

    every time i try to hit “Enter” my computer reboots…

    the “Control” button instead says “Yah, right”…

    and the “Tab” button is preceded with “You pay the…”

    Fuck.

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  122. Check. Cue response to alpha move:

    1. Bewilderment
    2. Outraged expression followed by angry outburst
    3. Shame at wave of lubricious excitement washing over her

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  123. Chuck:

    So prisons are safer because of regular guys, but households are less safe because of regular guys?

    When you put lots of regular guys in prison, mostly because of nonviolent drug offenses but also increasingly due to feminist legislation on things such as domestic violent which really doesn’t have to be violent, it stands to reason that prisons will be safer for men. Fear of prison rape will not keep men from hurting women anymore, contrary to what Aenigma claimed above.

    I look forward to sex offenders being safe in prison as well because there will be so many of us with feminist rape law reform and rape won’t be taken seriously among inmates and men in general because the legal definition is absurd. This will make the world a more dangerous place for women, because true rapists will be less deterred and more likely to get away with it.

    Just some of the unintended consequences of feminism.

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  124. I know how to touch my BlackBerry Pearl just right…

    @FP- government program? Really?

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  125. Chuck sweetly reiterated:

    Firepower:

    “What we need is a Government Program”

    you said it, not me.

    ================

    maurice noted:

    @FP- government program? Really?

    yes, and while we’re at it, let’s make it several government programs to fill the complete lack of resources for women. maybe something for their starving babies too. i will call it ‘welfare’ – yeah, that’s the ticket.

    i want chuckie to like me even more

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  126. Lady and anyone else –

    Position on welfare/governmental assistance? Thoughts?

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  127. firepower:

    sorry, i don’t speak retard…could you translate whatever the fuck it is you’re talking about.

    you take my “barriers to exit” comment and spin it like i advocate government programs. that’s a big leap and doesn’t gel with anything i said on the issue of domestic violence.

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  128. Asparagus,

    I enjoyed the prison link article. I hope that IS the case in the joint, but Ive been told (back in the 90s’) by some cops that it was still pretty rough at Riverbend. Maybe its better now. I’d like to think that. Prison should be a place where a man goes and does his time, isn’t beaten or raped, and has a chance to read and improve himself so he can be a productive member of society upon his release years later. He shouldnt be gang beaten or gang raped or placed in a cell smaller than the second bathroom in my house where he will go crazy slowly.

    Im suprised there aren’t at least 400 comments on this thread by now. I thought Roissy would have hit a trip-wire issue here. Maybe its just a busy Thursday out there, or maybe so many people now agree with him on the cultural emasculation of men, that they silently agree.

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  129. firepower,

    not sensitive. just saying, if you’re going to call me out then do it. and if you’re going to rebut what i have to say, do it in coherent thoughts and in an un-feminine manner. good luck trying to “Big Face” me through thousands of miles of fiber optic cable btw.

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  130. Cliff Arroyo

    The congame cult approaches of Roissy and Roosv and their like are just making things worse (or course they’re trying to pretend they’re a counteractive force to feminism run amuck, that’s no reason for anyone with any brains to believe them).

    There is every reason for people to believe Roissy at least in that. RooshV pretty much confines himself to teaching PUA skill tidbits and giving short or micro stories of PUA experiences.

    In fact I think that Roissy’s has become the most effective and influential site on the web for popularized gender realism, and for anti-feminism, particularly for those under 45 (younger than the boomer generation).

    If anyone else knows anywhere else that’s competitive on those two (which of course Roissy does as secondary to his first focus on game), I’d really love to get some links. It’s good to have a network.

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  131. Doug:

    If anyone else knows anywhere else that’s competitive on those two (which of course Roissy does as secondary to his first focus on game), I’d really love to get some links. It’s good to have a network.

    What brought me into the men’s movement years before I found the seduction community is Angry Harry:

    http://www.angryharry.com/

    He doesn’t have much to say about game, but he is the finest MRA/anti-feminist in my opinion.

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  132. doug –

    Some good sites, with regard primarily to content and not necessarily the rate at which people leave comments are:

    http://novaseeker.blogspot.com/
    http://alpha-status.blogspot.com/
    http://www.mensrightsblogs.com/feeds/ – sort of a compendium, just found this today
    http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/ – where’s the updates?!
    http://usually2theright.blogspot.com/ – fairly new but seems insightful, good links on there as well.

    I’m assuming you were looking for more “men’s movement” themed sites.

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  133. doug –

    hm…i think all my links to MRA-themed sites was moderated (probably spam filter).

    here’s the #1 on my list: http://novaseeker.blogspot.com/

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  134. Doug–

    Well put on rape. That is exactly the problems we are up against and how we should fight them.

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  135. Other notables:

    Gary Cooper in The Fountainhead

    Steve McQueen in The Thomas Crown Affair

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  136. @cliff

    “There are women who clearly desire to be smacked around some because it gets them hot (like aoefe) but it’s not a good long term strategy for civilization.”

    Interesting interpretation of things I’ve been saying here. To clear things up I’m not looking for a violent/super aggressive partner. I don’t need to get smacked around in order to get ‘hot’. I think in a relationship there are expectations on both sides and that if there is a line crossed then there is some form of retribution. It goes both ways. I.e. He’s the provider, quits his job, stops providing by choice he loses my respect. Losing my respect for him = him losing dominance over me. The example wasn’t a good one (quitting job), but you see what I mean?

    In the clip Roissy shows she is clearly being disrespectful and he gives her what she deserves. I believe she accepts it because she knows she is being disrespectful and she is fully aware of the line she crossed. Violence for the sake of it does NOT turn me on. Dominance yes, but there is a difference.

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  137. And slightly off-topic, here is what the typical alpha male italian dandy is power-fucking on his night’s off…

    26 women — compare these to your femnazi local fare here in the U.S.

    http://www.leiweb.it/moda/moda-e-star/09_g_veline_calciatori_foto_wags.shtml

    Click on “AVANTI” below and to the right of the photo to scroll to the next woman.

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  138. Default User

    Sounds like Jury Nullification.

    Precisely so.

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  139. on June 18, 2009 at 10:56 pm Virginia Gentleman

    El Guapo: The typical top flight European soccer player, more like it. The women pictured in that article bear as much resemblance to “standard” women as a Formula 1 car does to something that rolls off a production line in Detroit or the South. There’s probably a similar ratio of exotic materials in the F1 chassis and the “wives and girlfriends”, too.

    Meanwhile, I’m elated that a movie made half a century ago or more provided a cinematic character with the opportunity to belt another cinematic character with the only consequence being the arousal of the latter. Gee, it must have been nice to play in Hollywood. Being neither a minority nor an socioeconomic elite means that such a display is absolutely unavailable to me, no matter how much fun it could result in.

    aoefe: Yes, there’s retribution. It’s called a 911 call regarding domestic violence, arrest and ruin, followed by alimony. No thanks!

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  140. @Virginia Gentleman

    “Yes, there’s retribution. It’s called a 911 call regarding domestic violence, arrest and ruin, followed by alimony. No thanks!”

    Gotcha, I know that’s a huge risk. There have to be very trusting parameters in place in order to exact any kind of physical restribution on another. Fine lines, fine lines. I think physical force i.e. the movie clip is a context related issue. I think using force would have to be deliberate, not angry for one thing. Control is still control. Abusers have lost it. I think women know the difference. Or you may have a real bitch and then all bets are off.

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  141. Hey godless, can you comment here and at Steve’s and at gnxp more often?

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  142. @Virginia Gentleman

    Having spent much time in fair Italy, slender curvy beauties are absolutely everywhere. These are women born and bred to femininity in all the ways the U.S. femnazi are not.

    As far as belting a woman, I never had to. But I have not hesitated to bend an arm around the back, I have not hesitated to growl in a manner that left no uncertainty that physical violence was to follow if she carried farther along the path she was on. Granted there was some anger but she got over it and well, sex later was pretty damn good!

    In matters of Game and Seduction, slap kino escalation is a well-known phenomenon. Shutting a woman up with violence (or kiss) is perfectly acceptable.

    Technically I suppose many of us, me included, are probably guilty of assault and battery, but realistically, some of our mating rituals start with violence.

    This IS the reality. One the most interesting things is when a woman is on the war-path, letting in to you with a load of drivel, a firm restorative hand that short-circuits her works wonders. But you have to man up to do it.

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  143. GC,
    With all due respect, you do not understand Hip Hop much at all. It behooves you to understand that which you are attempting to discuss.

    Thank you.

    The Obsidian

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  144. on June 18, 2009 at 11:56 pm Virginia Gentleman

    El Guapo:

    Perhaps bella Italia has a mass production line for them, but unless I can catch a Pan Am Jet Clipper out of Dulles or Idlewild bound for Rome, er, that doesn’t do much for me except generate exasperation for the domestic models.

    I’m curious as to whether the display of the WAGs is counterproductive for those of us stuck in North American hunting grounds. Your thoughts?

    As for the physical thing, we’re going to have to be at pleasant odds on the usefulness for me versus others. In the current era of mass communication, with the easy and instant production and dissemination of text and imagery, and under the current legal regime, I’m not interested in adding anything that could be construed as “abuse” if and when a divorce were to occur. Dave from Hawaii managed to turn his situation around, but I’d be wary of advocating anything that might come back to haunt you.

    Call it paranoia, but I’d rather employ something that’s difficult to prove under rules of evidence. ‘course, that goes to something a woman said to me earlier this year: “Do you trust anybody?” I shrugged and replied, “Not many. The vetting process is long and easily failed.”

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  145. @Virginia

    Different strokes for different folks. Just making the point that removing physical force from the table has been a great net negative for men, since a modicum of it almost certainly is part of the male/female interaction.

    And get on a damn plane and go see the world. Why limit yourself?

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  146. on June 19, 2009 at 12:10 am Comment_Whatever

    Yeah, she was knocked down. Is that better or worse than snapping his golf club?

    In the real world, ladies, if you cut yourself a little while cooking in your favorite dress…. would your first instinct be to take care of your cut, or to save the dress from getting a blood-stain?

    To ask the question is to answer it.

    People really need to work on a sense of proportion in what they do. This is a real problem in America today.

    When I’ve managed to cut myself(not badly) my first concern has always been whether I got blood on my shirt, not the actual injury.

    The only exception to this was when I managed to get a small part of my right thumb(less than a quarter inch down from the tip of the fingernail) cut off. And then I had been up for about twenty-hours straight anyway. I cursed profusely for about a minute or two because I really, really wanted things to be OVER and to go to sleep, and not have to deal with ANOTHER problem. Didn’t think about my shirt at-all, that time.

    Anyway, she smashed his favorite golf club. That’s WAY worse than being face-pushed down. It probably isn’t as bad as getting a blood-stain on your favorite dress, though.

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  147. on June 19, 2009 at 12:15 am Virginia Gentleman

    El Guapo:

    Trans-Atlantic plane fare isn’t exactly cheap for me. I also don’t happen to speak much other than English and American. Having been to the continent back in the mid-1990s, I’d love to go back—a Formula 1 tour would be great—but it appears that my fancies far outstrip my finances.

    The plan calls for a change in that, but it’s not an option at the moment.

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  148. @Viginia Gentleman

    “I also don’t happen to speak much other than English and American.”

    Ok this may sound rude, but what IS the difference between English and American?”

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  149. on June 19, 2009 at 12:34 am Virginia Gentleman

    aoefe:

    It was a bit of a throwaway line, but there’s also some truth to it.

    Remember that quote by Churchill about the English and the Americans that they are separated by a common tongue? It’s nuances and the like, really, almost a dialect. The simplest example I can think of follows. If you and I were discussing a company’s latest release of oh, software, we would probably say, “Microsoft has released Vista SP2”, whereas the Englishman would say, “Microsoft have released Vista SP2.” There may be a legal concept underlying that, but it’s early in the morning and I’m not a barrister.

    If you listen to the BBC and/or interact with British people and media, you might come to the same conclusion, depending upon your background. Me, I spent plenty of time as a kid watching the imported British documentaries and stuff on various cable channels, so I may be more sensitive to it than others.

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  150. @Virginia Gentleman

    Interesting. I’m not from America so I wasn’t sure of the distinction. Thanks for clearing it up. Also the accents are waaaaay different. 🙂

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  151. obsidian:

    GC,
    With all due respect, you do not understand Hip Hop much at all. It behooves you to understand that which you are attempting to discuss.

    obsidian, maybe he’s been reading some of john mcwhorter. gc was also clearly referring only to gangsta rap- not groups like public enemy or krs one. mcwhorter deals with them well enough in his book, though.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/all_about_the_beat/

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  152. on June 19, 2009 at 1:47 am Cliff Arroyo

    One quick note on this scene (to those who think it’s a good example of woman management). Hot make up sex did not ensue. The very next thing you see is the words “Two years later”. This represents a relationship that’s already over and the face push is him getting in one last word out the door. And her expression is less arousal than “I guess I can’t blame him for finally winning a round”. Expressing even 40’s movie version of arousal would not have served the purpose of the scene.

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  153. on June 19, 2009 at 2:09 am Cliff Arroyo

    “It goes both ways. I.e. He’s the provider, quits his job, stops providing by choice he loses my respect. Losing my respect for him = him losing dominance over me”

    Now back here in the real world, that is just when he’s most likely smack you in the face for putting too much salt in the soup.

    Male on female violence is pretty much always based on a desire to (re)gain a feeling of dominance over a woman. The problem is the feeling of control he gains by making you lick the soup up off the floor is temporary and unsatisfying (and the way you start to flinch whenever he gets too close just makes things worse). Which is why it tends to escalate over time.

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  154. I don’t know why, but when I watched the face push I laughed out loud. Maybe it’s because there isn’t any sound, but for some reason I found that really funny.

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  155. @ aeofe: On the American/ true English distinction. American’s butchered the language and because the average American isn’t too bright the spelling had to be dumbed down. Hence the fact that England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand speak and write proper english, whereas the Americans stammer along in some prole bastardisation.

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  156. I am going to watch this movie ASAP. If these movies had been on TV when I was a kid I might have been better with women early on.

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  157. Gee, what a list! “Drawn from personal experience”. Unless you know beforehand those moves are consensual because she find those moves ‘kinky’ then it sounds fucking creepy. Sure some abusers are Alphas who can land beautiful women with very low self-esteem due to probably being raised by an abusive father and feels that she ‘deserves’ it. She may even find it sexy because pain can release endorphins and she probably believe she deserves abusive men therefore she believes she had better get used to violence. However, I do not believe there’s anything ‘Alpha’ about being abusive to women or that Alphas have abusive tendencies. Whenever a man has been found abusing his partner and children (or step children) they usually turn out to be pathetic losers and even sub-Beta weaklings (strong enough abuse women and children but not enough to abuse men) – i.e. usually NOT Alpha males. These men who prey upon their own families are probably the ‘nicest’ men outside the home hence few may suspect a problem until someone (e.g. a teacher) notices bruises under a child’s clothing.

    Roissy’s advice is a dodgy as a nine dollar note. If a guy tried half of those ‘moves’ on a ordinary woman with normal self-esteem, he’d be talking to police or would (hopefully) get beat by her brothers and their friends.

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  158. Heh. Interesting that we’re touting Cary Grant, who was notorious for being sexually ambiguous and a charming-yet-effeminate leading man, as an “apex alpha”. Hey, hey, I’m not hating, just saying…oh, the irony.

    That said, I’m the kind of girl who likes a lil sexually-charged aggression.

    😉

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  159. Breeze, get back to us with your assertion about Americans butchering the language after you learn to use proper punctuation, capitalization, spelling, and syntax.

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  160. Okay I’m sorry this is clearly posted JUST to start a flame war because no real man thinks that deep down women just LOVE to get hit, and no honorable man hits a woman. The only way any of these are deserved is if the woman physically attacked you or threw something at you (which is trashy and unacceptable).

    No honorable man would hit a lady

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  161. I would take option Eric Cartman, pop the obligatory E-tabs, pop in some Kayne West, become the Human Torch to save the town from a legion of Jew-bots while wearing a cool leather jacket, then beating up Hugh Hefner to swoop all his playmates, and roll off in my time-traveling DeLorean.

    … then wake up next morning drooling and shivering in an abandoned lot.

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  162. on June 19, 2009 at 7:55 am Gunslingergregi

    Whatttssss upppppp!!!

    Looking at a married man. Well at least verbally didn’t go with anything on paper just the ceremony.

    Just make love to her from behind until she is knocked out.
    🙂

    I have done the face toss amazing that you can lift someone up and throw them on the bed by there face only.

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  163. congrats gunny and welcome back !!

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  164. on June 19, 2009 at 8:08 am snatch magnet

    @ turkish twink

    So, nancy, my little tag name here, which by the way would be an awesome name for a band, offends your beta sensibilities. How telling.
    Perhaps I should have followed your lead and spent ungodly amounts of time conconcting a fictional diatribe on how I dealt with a shrieking harpy by ‘punching her squarely on the face’ Hmmmm, Janice, I think not.
    Turkish thought, what the hell is that anyway? Is that the name of the General Foods International Coffee that you and your girlfriends sip whilst you sit around and paint your toenails and complain about the cramps and the bloating?
    Gloria, maybe instead of sitting at that desk and smelling your own farts while you hide from your nagging wife, you should actally go out and live in the real world rather than dream up a scenario of what you would do if your pathetic stones had ever descended.
    I apologize for nothing, Sue, ever. Especially to a woman.
    Now, I’m off to prep for a night of debauchery with a sweet little number who opened me at happy hour yesterday after I pulled the lint ball trick. Learn your shit boys, it works.
    Game in the movies? How about ‘Taken’? Go to your beta friends house, eat his food, shoot his wife, AND make HIM apologize for you. Thats some Alpha shit.

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  165. on June 19, 2009 at 8:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Thanks,

    I’d say by the 5th day my dick had readjusted to fucking and it stopped bleeding or maybe i used foreplay either one he he he

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  166. aoefe asked (in some form of English):

    …but what IS the difference between English and American?”

    There are many different words for the same thing such as:
    US = Sidewalk
    Brit = Path

    US = Elevator
    Brit = Lift

    US = Parking lot
    Brit = Car park

    There are different pronunciations of the same word such as:
    US = TomAto (“a” like in hay).
    Brit = Tomahto (“ah” like in sad).
    [they even wrote a song about that]

    There are different terms for the same thing:
    US = Call you
    Brit = Phone you

    US = Write me
    Brit = Write to me

    An of course they write dates differently
    US = mm/dd/yy[yy]
    Brit = dd/mm/yy[yy]

    The above represents Standard English for British and American domains. Both have strong regional differences (e.g., US Northeast versus Southern versus Mid Western). Each of the Anglosphere countries has their own version of English with slight variations on terms and pronunciations (i.e., English, Australian, and Irish all have their own variations). Educated Indians (dots not feathers) often speak very proper and formal English (hangover from the upper class influence of the days of the empire?).

    Breeze
    An average American probably speaks as well, if not better, than the average Brit. Even BBC English has lost its plummy tones. It is true that US spelling is often simpler than British (e.g., color vs. colour, theater vs theatre). Both have suffered “prole bastardisation” in thought and language.

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  167. @cliff

    “The problem is the feeling of control he gains by making you lick the soup up off the floor is temporary and unsatisfying (and the way you start to flinch whenever he gets too close just makes things worse). Which is why it tends to escalate over time.”

    The cycle of violence in domestic abuse is a real thing, not going to deny it. I don’t believe this is what was being talked about in this post. In my opinion the aggression being suggested would be rarely used and only when warranted for a serious transgression (i.e breaking golf clubs/extreme bitch behaviour). I stress again the person using it must be very controlled and deliberate about what action he takes. Grant has control in the scene, he wants to punch her, but with deliberation decides to face push her.

    The grapefruit scene posted above is totally different. He was being an ass, she was not out and out disobedient his request to serve him booze before breakfast) she was concerned (as she damn well should be). He is an abuser and she’d be waaaay better off without him. In fact two types of women can be seen in those clips. Hepburn’s character was NOT a doormat.

    Women stay with abusers for many reasons, sexual thrill and/or respect for their partners are not the highest on the list. What I’m talking about is a mutually respectful relationship where self esteem is high in both people, I believe it’s possible in today’s day and age while still have lines of authority established. These things are set very early on in the relationship., not midway out of frustration.

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  168. @Linguist Default

    You say potaaahto and I say potayto
    You say tomaaahto and I say tomayto
    Let’s call the whole thing off

    😉

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  169. American vs British English spelling differences are not an accident or bastardization.

    They were an intentional, political action originated by Samuel Webster. He published the first American dictionary with the intent of “fixing” things and separating American culture from British culture.

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  170. aoefe sang sweetly:

    Let’s call the whole thing off

    Have I been dumped?

    First chic then aoefe, my game is in tatters…

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  171. nah, once chic noir gets over her
    betrayal by dessert foods

    her blood sugar
    will recover

    and it’s so on again

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  172. @Default

    Check out my recent comment in Self made Beta and you tell me.

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  173. @Firepower

    Great legs you have there. 🙂

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  174. This scene really shows that feminism never would have gotten anywhere with out complicit men.

    Ultimately, society is always in the hands of some men. The powerful men only handed powers over to women that would keep their competition out of the way. If alphas are sitting in jail for DV, then they aren’t trying to take over your country, steal your customers, swoop your hot wife ….

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  175. on June 19, 2009 at 9:56 am Gunslingergregi

    Kind of odd all the worry over a slap when woman are a little tougher than that they let us fuck em after all. There bodies can take a beating. They are not really made of tissue paper.

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  176. on June 19, 2009 at 9:57 am Gunslingergregi

    default ladies man he he he

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  177. aoefe

    @Firepower

    Great legs you have there.

    I’m not your sextoy

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  178. Here’s the great Marlon Brando being alpha at dinner time…about 3 min in.
    Shame it didn’t work for him in real life.

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  179. @Firepower said “I’m not your sextoy”

    LOL – shucks.

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  180. @Steve – “Here’s the great Marlon Brando being alpha at dinner time…about 3 min in”

    And he pulls it all together at 5:09 by sweet talking her

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  181. @Steve – “Shame it didn’t work for him in real life”

    Shame he didn’t stay hot.

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  182. I’m going to guess that many/most examples of couples who stay together when one or both is abusing the other over a long period of time, have problems with drugs or alcohol. Addiction takes away the motive power to change a bad situation, and simultaneously makes the situation temporarily more bearable.

    Don’t know whether anyone has mentioned it here yet, but the main reason the Katharine Hepburn character left her husband (Grant’s character) was that he drank too heavily and she despised him for it. He gave up the alcohol, but it was her contempt for human weakness that troubled him. That’s why the plot climax involves an incident when she drinks far too much and her behaviour gives rise to false rumours that she has “cheated” on her new fiance, who believes the rumours. Oh, and the reason she takes Grant’s character back is that he “thinks well of me when I was thinking badly of myself”, or something like that.

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  183. Lil girl, those rumors are just rumors. One of his ex-wives put it this way: “I don’t know if he was gay, I just know we were too busy having sex!”

    Grant wasn’t effeminate in the least bit; you confuse upper classism with dandyism.

    In any of his movies, Grant showed how an upper class masculinity wasn’t a contradiction in terms. Only in Bringing up Baby could it be argued that he was a beta. His Girl Friday/ The Awful Truth shows how he showed how even a grovelly reporter could be alpha.

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  184. For example, the guys on reality shows on MTV are modern dandys (Think Laguna Beach, She’s going out with Him?, The Hills)—-looks obsessed, never worked for anything in their lives, false machismo largely from mimicking rap songs and working out for body sculpting, living for pure hedonism. Caricatures of males, really.

    Grant (or rather the Grant persona) would have punched such pussies out the moment they gave him serious trouble. More likely, however, he would have merely walked off with their women.

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  185. “In other words, womens’ evolution-derived preferences have become maladaptive in (catastrophically so in the case of some sub-cultures). In other words they need to start thinking with their heads and not their pussies (which will always leed them astray just as mens dicks lead them astray).”

    @Cliff —

    Interesting comment. I’ve read a few things by women recently over at XX that point in the other direction — namely that women are unhappy in “companionate” marriages because they are based on rationalism and equality rather than passion, and that passionate love implies inequality, compulsion and so on. So pretty much the direct opposite of what you’re saying, which is interesting. The discussion came up in light of Sandra Tsing Loh’s recent piece in The Atlantic about her divorce.

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  186. Women love men that give off certain signals (casual social dominance).

    Both mens and womens primal urges need a _lot_ of tempering by culture and education for civil society (which has brought humanity its greatest ever living conditions) to function.

    Precisely the case.

    The man I fell in love with has a lot of social dominance among other men, which is one of the reasons I first took notice of him. We also have similar intellectual, cultural and educational backgrounds. He is also very masculine, but that masculinity is tempered by a high degree of emotional intelligence and empathy.

    We’ve known each other intimately for several months now, with no abuse, no yelling at each other, and no “break up / get back together” cycles. Some accidental clumsy hurting does happen, but it’s no big deal. He has a very dominant and protective way of being. He doesn’t ever really get angry, just somewhat frustrated.

    There has to be mutual respect in a long-term relationship, or it becomes toxic. If a man constantly treats a woman terribly, and she makes excuses for him and never calls him out on it, then she becomes a doormat and will not earn his respect. The woman is basically sacrificing her self-respect; her body might relish in the abuse while her soul shrivels.

    Women, take note. From the book Sex: A Natural History:

    “It’s at least as likely that both sexes prefer mates with variable hormone levels: men who are both risk takers when they need to be and nurturing when they need to be, and women who are strong when they need to be and risk averse when they need to be. While some evolutionary psychologists would have you believe otherwise, the most likely to succeed women may not be those who are willing to wed the sensitive milquetoast while getting the good genes in the bed of the daring warrior-bungee jumper.”

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  187. I was going to bring up Bringing Up Baby, where Grant did indeed play a beta. I don’t really have a point to make about it, just that it is one of the two or three funniest movies I’ve ever seen.

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  188. Thursday, ironically, despite being a classic comedy, it was a box office failure.

    Then again, in the movie, Hepburn plays a dimwitted Paris Hilton type (minus the sluttiness). So both were really playing against the type that would define them later.

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  189. on June 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm Cliff Arroyo

    @novaseeker,

    “women are unhappy in “companionate” marriages because they are based on rationalism and equality rather than passion, and that passionate love implies inequality, compulsion and so on. So pretty much the direct opposite of what you’re saying”

    Not at all. They’re saying exactly the same thing, they just approve of thinking with their pussies while I generall disapprove (as I disapprove of men who think with their dicks).

    Passion is wonderful in the short term but like alcohol it’s addictive. Trying to make one’s LTR into one long passion fling is like a drunk who thinks that since drinking makes him feel better at home, it’ll make him feel better at work too.

    It’s also a symptom of trying to prolong adolescent courtship behavior into a fully integrated lifestyle and is doomed to failure as it leads to jr high behavior in 40 and 50 year olds, not a pretty thought.

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  190. Freak,
    I haven’t read McWhorter’s Hip Hop treatment, but I have seen him on CSPAN’s “In Depth”, I think this was last Fall, & I distinctly recall him saying that he favored Kanye West, I think Mos Def, rappers along those lines. I also have read his earlier writings on the topic and it seemed that his understanding of Hip Hop at that time was considerably limited. It appears that his knowledge base has expanded since then.

    As one who came of age during Hip Hop’s “golden age”-mid 80s to mid to late 90s or so-I feel I am more intimately familar w/it on a whole, and particularly Gangsta Rap, which was actually a brutally raw commentary on the harsh realities of inner city urban life. Sure, it was commodified eventually and focused on the profit motive, but I would urge anyone to gain an understanding of Gangsta Rap to take some time out to give a listen to NWA, Tupac (his post Ryker’s Island period works, specifically) and Notorious BIG for starters. Much of Gangsta Rap applies directly to Game and Evo Psych, in that it brutally addresses the realities of the nature of Female Sexuality.

    There’s more that I could go into, but the aforementioned is a good starting point. It is very, very important to keep in mind that precious little of what one sees is representative of Hip Hop on a whole, rather more like the tip of an iceberg. McWhorter seems to have gotten this.

    I hope GC does, too.

    The Obsidian

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  191. 6 sigma doofus:
    I’ll assume this advice is meant for getting laid when all else fails, which is fine I suppose.

    no, it’s not for getting laid “when all else fails”, it’s for getting laid when you want to use a killer shortcut in place of all else.

    please read for comprehension.

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  192. red sector doofus:
    Isn’t that kind of the same thing?

    no, it’s not the same thing. a time saver is not the same as a last ditch effort. a guy could have collected 10 numbers, gotten 5 makeouts, and one coat check blowjob, and still want to try out an effortless shortcut into a new girl’s pants.

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  193. the guys on reality shows on MTV are modern dandys

    That’s primarily because they’re highly dependent on support from their parents into their thirties, and supplement that income with low-paying jobs that don’t intrude on their lifestyle too much. I suspect it’s regional as well, since urban locales with high cost of living tend to make it harder for young men and women without high paying careers to move out on their own. Of all of my friends in my age cohort, I can only think of one who is moving out, and that’s because he’s moving to a mostly-black and Latino area beyond the edge of gentrification in Brooklyn.

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  194. Walk up to my face and lick it and I’ll slap you across your mother fucking face. Then what would you do?

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  195. I wonder what kind of mother you had. Would you want a man to treat your mother, your siser, your daughter, in the same fashion?

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  196. Nothing works as well as a Don Draper’-style crotch grab

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  197. Roissy and Poetry of Flesh (at 3:21) have inspired a blog post here Why I Love Difficult Women

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  198. @anonymous – I guess “slap you back across your motherfucking face” is the wrong answer …?

    i actually thought an unsolicited licking of the face was quite weird and creepy too. women who would not respond directly as you did would probably be into kinky and submissive sex games. (not that that’s a bad thing..) either that or dog lovers! 🙂

    re your second post: we’re *not* talking about abuse here, just light physical dominance. some women actually like that, others don’t. you appear to be in the latter category, but don’t judge those in the former.

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  199. Physical dominance is acceptable when it is consensual. Otherwise, it is slavery and bondage.

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  200. What’s your guys take on husbands who let their wives beat him and their kids. Could you forgive a father who was such a coward? To this day I still look at my father as a coward. Nothing he does now can redeem him from the label he wears like an eternal scarlet letter.

    I believe there are isolated instances when a man needs to get physical and regain control. If you let a woman hit you in front of your kids then you have set a bad example for you son.

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  201. Check out Robert Mitchum’s game starting at 2:20

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  202. @ lurker

    “Lil girl, those rumors are just rumors. One of his ex-wives put it this way: “I don’t know if he was gay, I just know we were too busy having sex!””

    Oh, I’m not talking about his actual personal life, though there was that, too. Eh, I was a film major and we spent a good deal of time discussing the odd appeal of Grant’s effeminate traits. It’s all good. I love Cary Grant. Especially in His Girl Friday — definitely one of my favorite movies.

    Of course, the greatest movie of all time (and with a good display of alpha-ism, to boot) is Goodfellas.

    ❤

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  203. Interesting game scene :

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  204. Anonymous

    Blondie showed good girl game.

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  212. on April 22, 2010 at 11:17 am Naughty naughty

    Yeah. This is a hot poker of a topic isn’t it. One time a girlfriend threw a handful of coins in my face for no reason, so i grabbed a pillow, held her down, and hit her with the pillow for about two minutes.

    She completely freaked out and gave me the silent treatment for several days. Then, out came her screams of “Fuck me like you hate me!” “Hold me down and fuck me in the ass!” and “Bite me HARDER!”

    Good times, good times. Though completely fictional, as no modern, enlightened woman would ever do such a thing. Of course.

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