What Foreign Men Think Of American Women

American woman
stay away from me
American woman
mama let me be…

It’s not looking good for the American woman. Her reputation is taking a beating from all corners of the world. This Seattle Time article has some juicy quotes from British ex-pats living in the U.S. describing their experiences dating American women.

American Women. You can only spend so long with one before you crack. They’re out there, they’re loud, they’re bitter and they’re kooky. After a while all the things that attracted you to them: confidence, conversation, nice teeth, begin to bug you. You think you’ve got Black Beauty and you end up with Mr. Ed.

Confidence in a woman is overrated. I’m with Roosh on this matter — less confident women are more fun to date and make better girlfriends.

Steve (a Brit) says that he had to get used to knowing that American women reserve the right to date a whole bunch of guys at the same time. It’s not like that in England. There, when you really like a girl (and pardon me, but English guys don’t say “women,” they talk about dating a girl), then you don’t go out with half a dozen others.

I once stumbled across the email inbox of a slutty DC girl I used to fuck (a local blogger). She had forgotten to log out of her email and chat on my computer on more than one occasion. (She wasn’t too bright.) I read her messages and chat windows (who wouldn’t?) and discovered she was hooking up with other men on the days she wasn’t taking my cock deep inside her. If only they had known how unspecial they were to her at the time; just another cock on the carousel. She wasn’t a serious prospect so it never bothered me, but it was an illuminating glimpse into the world of the Tacky American Slut.

[Steve]: And something else. That first date with an American girl, it’s like it’s supposed to be a big-time dinner, instead of just going to a pub with friends. So you end up dropping like $90 while she’s doing her checklist.

Fool. Who in this day and age takes a girl to dinner on the first date? And an American woman to boot? I’ll tell you who. Betas.

Even other American women don’t have nice things to say about their sister compatriots:

I talk to Vicki, and she tells me she thinks American women can come across as a bit too much. “They want to be equal so much it can be overpowering,” she says.

Actually, I don’t think American women want to be equal. That’s just what they tell themselves to rationalize their aggressively masculine posturing toward men. More accurately, of all the world’s women, American women are the biggest shit testers because they so very much DON’T want to be equal to the supplicating American betaboys they date. A desire by American women to shit test men to kingdom come to find the alpha gem among the beta shale is often miscontrued by men as a desire for equal footing with them. The truth is, in fact, just the opposite. They shit test because they want to find a man who puts himself on a footing above her. This is why even the most hardcore self-professed feminists will wilt into a puddle of submissive passion for a devil-may-care alpha male who doesn’t take her oh-so-profound ideology or her empty bleatings for equality seriously.

One of the first questions is always: “What car do I drive?” Martin says. “If I have the latest BMW or drive a Chevy, does it make a difference? And they want to know what apartment you live in. Do you live in Bellevue, because if you tell them you live in Everett, they don’t want to know you.”

If you have no game or looks, the women you date will default to “material status” screening. Women must have *something* with which they can judge a man’s alpha status, so barring anything compensatory they will judge a man based on the crudest indicators of status — his material resources. Game and other forms of psychosocial dominance allow women the freedom — even the pleasure — to judge a man on indicators of status other than his monetary worth. This is because male psychological dominance hits women’s pleasure centers more directly than does male resource display. Unless you are very wealthy — top 1/2% of all men — you will do better at attracting women with game. See: Skittles Man.

[Oliver]: It was like being with a nasty bank manager, rather than someone with whom you hope to sleep. … American girls are possibly the most wound-up people on the planet. They don’t believe in laughing: Instead, they would go to ‘laugh class’ to find out how, then solemnly say it had changed their life.

“Nasty bank manager”. Ha haa! This quote sums up the American woman well. American women are bank managers and pompous, phony laughers who take themselves too seriously because America has spoiled them. American men need to relearn the art of charming condescension.

While I date and fuck mostly American women, if I was limited to only one woman for the rest of my life, I would choose a foreign girl. Once you have experienced the pleasure of a truly feminine woman, you’ll never go back to an American Bitch.





Comments


  1. I studied abroad in Thailand: Girl problems solved. Get out of D.C.

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  2. If only they had known how unspecial they were to her at the time; just another cock on the carousel.

    Since she didn’t log out, you could have enlightened them all about each other! =)

    Who in this day and age takes a girl to dinner on the first date? And an American woman to boot? I’ll tell you who. Betas.

    Damn straight. And I cringe at how many times I stupidly did this before I knew better…

    It was like being with a nasty bank manager, rather than someone with whom you hope to sleep.

    And this guy was in supposedly laid-back Seattle! Ask someone from Washington how many bitchy lawyer / lobbyist she-devils there are out there.

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  3. “I once stumbled across the email inbox of a slutty DC girl I used to fuck (a local blogger)”

    The thing that bothers me about said blogger is that her readers actually respect her, like she’s the sweet girl-next-door type. If only they knew the truth.

    *popcorn*

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  4. roosh, roissy name please!

    And blog link, more importantly!

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  5. on July 15, 2009 at 12:21 pm thebigdipper

    Look at what this beta has to say about marriage to an AW (american womyn):

    http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/07/15/traister_marriage/index.html?source=rss&aim=/mwt/feature

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  6. American women do have the fakest smile in the whole world. Kind of creepy almost.

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  7. ” The thing is, American men are just as bad because they “hate” Feminism, but don’t realize what utter failures they’d be as Muslim men or other places where you’re EXPECTED to be judged on your ability to financially provide for the women who are “worshipping you”. You can’t have it both ways.

    No no, American men would be alot more sucessfull as providers in a muslim country since they would not have to compete with women under unfair affirmative action laws.

    Also Lady rain notice that the judgements is made by foreign men on american women. Foreign women on the other hand are usually very impressed by american men.

    The more feminist country, the less atractive women.

    Mehdi

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  8. @Mehdi:

    “No no, American men would be alot more sucessfull as providers in a muslim country since they would not have to compete with women under unfair affirmative action laws.”

    Not all women who are successful become so through affirmative action laws only.

    Just sayin’.

    I was about to refute Roissy’s American woman statements, but most of the girls I know, myself included, aren’t really American. I mean, somewhat, but not really.

    So…eh.

    American women tend to gain weight faster, age faster, etc. American families don’t eat dinner together, everyone eats whenever.

    Americans have too many t.v.s in their houses. But a lot of immigrant families have t.v. too, so I don’t know.

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  9. Is there a good post on “shit tests?”

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  10. lurker panted:

    roosh, roissy name please!

    And blog link, more importantly!

    psh. everyone knows
    its kassyk – finefantastic
    doesn’t put out

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  11. kassy k??

    naw….its prolly suburban sweethart. that emo biatch.

    go for the latinas roissy! nice long black hair to pull and plump asses do it for me

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  12. I had the time of my life with American women during my six years in the States. While I can only compare with Norwegian women, I much prefer Americans, because they are easier to sleep with. 20 women in six years compared to 3 in about as much time after I moved back. This does not include hookers and they are much cheaper in America too, about 1/5 the price in my experience. That is, the high-end whores cost about the same but cheap whores do not exist here at all. All women can demand a high price for sex because poverty does not exist and neither does crack addiction.

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  13. Foreign women on the other hand are usually very impressed by american men

    I am certain this has absolutely no relation with the RESOURCES of American men

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  14. You can’t have it both ways.

    exactly. You can´t bang the bad AND have a family.

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  15. @km:

    “we’re derided as a bunch of immatuer, stupid, rape-minded, violent ticking timebombs”

    ooh
    ooh
    I know
    how about
    video game addicted to boot?

    😛

    The media has its own negative portrayals of women though. It’s not just men (although it seems to be slanted towards them). Sarah Haskins illustrates it in Target Women. But she does a really funny job of it.

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  16. well, it’s probably time to bail on America anyway. Let’s see, flat tax, free-market health care, and men friendly divorce laws? anyone?

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  17. Preaching to the converted, my friend.

    I wouldn’t think it’s KassyK- I can think of several better candidates.

    @gig- american men cheat less than brazilian men. they like us better for that too.

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  18. how about
    video game addicted to boot?

    truth hurts

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  19. american men cheat less than brazilian men

    so they´d be MORE attracted to Brazilian men, everything else equal

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  20. Mandy, shut up and go to hell.

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  21. Mandy, shut up and go to hell.

    truth hurts indeed

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  22. kassyk? I was guessing lemmonex, but I don’t read chick blogs.

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  23. on July 15, 2009 at 1:11 pm Serpent's Egg

    Woody Allen’s latest, Vicky Cristina Barcelona, is an amusing critique of loutish American manners and arrogant inhibitions in matters amorous. Have yet to meet a married American woman who admits to liking the film.

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  24. on July 15, 2009 at 1:12 pm johnnymarks

    Local Blogger:

    I’m guessing it’s the former chunky who writes Culinary Couture.

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  25. Holy bitterness.

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  26. Holy Crap, it’s Alarming News gal!

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  27. American women are psychopathic nutbags and the sick Zionist media is mostly to blame for shaping the minds of women (and men) over the past few decades towards complete self-indulgence. Selfishness. Self-possessiveness. Whatever horrible trait you want to insert.

    Women didn’t have the smarts before the “sexual revolution” but they might’ve had some good ‘ol charm and femininity. Since the 70’s they’ve gotten smarter (supposedly) but totally lost their charm and femininity.

    Simply put the destruction of traditional (and natural) feminine mores and attitudes has been a boom for the Social Engineers who created the disease in the first place while the same offers treatment for said disease in the form of their stupid pyschiatry practices and self-help books, never mind the fashion industries, cosmetic industries, etc, etc.

    Capitalism killed the radio star for sure.

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  28. Took a look at lemmonex’s page and her father seems to have a good concise description of her:

    “We–a father and a daughter–haven’t talked in eleven years. He missed college, milestones, my first love. He walked away, called me a fucking cunt, cut me out of photos. He pushed me out of the family, told everyone I was to be avoided.”

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  29. Last time I was on a university campus, I was walking along a pleasant path through a wooded strip when all of the sudden a gang of sorority sisters rounded the corner, loudly chatting and laughing. I could hear them coming before they burst into the light, flashing their thunderous, corn-fed, booth-tanned thighs from beneath their poor, suffering shorts, which moaned in pain with every twist of the girls’ swollen buttocks.

    Although I am not a small guy, I felt a twinge of fear and alarm when I saw this herd approaching on the narrow path, like so many hungry buffaloes in a stampede. I was forced to jump aside to let the herd pass, the leader of the pack throwing her head back and cackling, flashing her large, whitened row of teeth.

    As they faded off, I felt a wave of nausea overtake me. This is the modern American woman:

    Big, loud, aggressive and inconsiderate

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  30. @Dreamer:

    I would think that not that many women fit the stereotype. I have a feeling that location plays a huge factor into the type of women that roissy is hooking up with, as well as the type of game he uses.

    But…I don’t know. Maybe location more than game.

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  31. Azuzuru – A persistent string of idiot babblings such as hers allows little other reasonable response.

    A group that doesn’t call out the moronic for what it is, tolerates it and effectively ultimately condones it, therefore leading to its growth. Her comments are often some of the more aggressively, egregiously oronic that are posted here (and that is really saying something).

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  32. maurice proposed:

    I wouldn’t think it’s KassyK- I can think of several better candidates.

    perhaps dr watson.

    it’s there as a mere deception.

    all the others think roosh can merely pull hefty cadets – have they not read the breadth of his works?

    I pose you this: as a participant myself on many a splendid encounter as gentile disco stick and parental heart attack tripwire for the Semitic Sistas… what better candidate for The Goyploy?

    hmm.

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  33. Arpagus

    I had the time of my life with American women during my six years in the States. While I can only compare with Norwegian women, I much prefer Americans, because they are easier to sleep with.

    But which ones are easier to live with?

    BTW, I took a look at your blog, and noticed that you’re a Berge in Bergen.

    My great-grandmother came from Bergen and her maiden name was Berge. Funny coincidence.

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  34. Location, location, location!
    I think the DC scene is infected with the type of DC girl who hasn’t adjusted quite yet to the fact that half the people in town work for people that actually disagree with their ideals.
    As R wrote earlier, talking politics in this political town is a painful experience as most DC gals have no fucking clue what they are talk about and are painfully desirous to browbeat people who don’t agree with their tribal ideas.
    You can pretend to be a nonvoting libertarian, pose as SWPL, or just caveman disagree with them. All painful options.
    But the “chip on the shoulderisms” here can make one despair for our country’s ladies’ femininity.

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  35. cptnapalm

    Took a look at lemmonex’s page and her father seems to have a good concise description of her:

    “We–a father and a daughter–haven’t talked in eleven years. He missed college, milestones, my first love. He walked away, called me a fucking cunt, cut me out of photos. He pushed me out of the family, told everyone I was to be avoided.”

    my dear colonel napalm – (i’ve necessitated a battlefield promotion for you as i cannot tolerate an association with lesser ranks) harhar

    this is merely a red herring. a Kosher Red Herring.

    This is 1st degree Crazy as brought by her good parent.

    your cleverness outdoes you, good sir. although the crazy is indeed, by the dad,brought to miss lemonnex…it is not

    the crazy in question is that which is brought by the lady in question

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  36. According to this article in the Telegraph, British men are some of the least romantic in the world and are clueless about a woman’s needs.

    The article then lists what women really want:

    The following are the ten best ways to woo her:
    1 – Cover her eyes and lead her to a lovely surprise
    2 – Whisk her away somewhere exciting for the weekend
    3 – Write a song or poem about her
    4 – Tell her that she is the most wonderful woman you have ever met
    5 – Run her a relaxing bath after she has had a bad day at work
    6 – Send her a romantic text or email, or leave a loving note around the house
    7 – Wake her up with breakfast in bed
    8 – Offer her a coat when she is cold
    9) Send her a bouquet of flowers, or a box of chocolates at work
    10) Make her a compilation of her favourite music

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5833744/What-women-want-top-ten-romantic-gestures.html

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  37. on July 15, 2009 at 1:43 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    I’ve been all over the world and the reputations of both American men and women are more or less the same:

    irresponsible and promiscuous

    While American men might do better by bringing a foreign bride to HIS shores to live, he would not do well living in his foreign wife’s land if she lived in a traditional part of the globe (Muslims countries as one example) where families are large, tight, close and in each others’ lives 24/7. That would be too close for comfort for the typical American male who wants his space and independence.

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  38. on July 15, 2009 at 1:44 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The more feminist country, the less atractive women.

    Well, no. In Guatemala, Mexico, India, Indonesia, etc. the societies are all male-dominant, yet the women are ugly.

    It has more to do with genetics than feminism.

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  39. Gooch – the guy that does all that is the guy she will dump, or cheat on (or both).

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  40. on July 15, 2009 at 1:46 pm GNPs are for Apes

    1 – Cover her eyes and lead her to a lovely surprise
    2 – Whisk her away somewhere exciting for the weekend
    3 – Write a song or poem about her
    4 – Tell her that she is the most wonderful woman you have ever met
    5 – Run her a relaxing bath after she has had a bad day at work
    6 – Send her a romantic text or email, or leave a loving note around the house
    7 – Wake her up with breakfast in bed
    8 – Offer her a coat when she is cold
    9) Send her a bouquet of flowers, or a box of chocolates at work
    10) Make her a compilation of her favourite music

    Ugh. You clearly have no clue.

    Virtually all of these items are Uber Beta, guaranteed to ensure you do not get laid. The loser who follows this list deserves no action.

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  41. on July 15, 2009 at 1:47 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I nominate Gooch for Beta of the Month.

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  42. Some posters need remedial reading classes.

    I don’t believe the article. I posted it because it was hilarious and obviously beta. Where in my original post do I say that I agree with the article?

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  43. on July 15, 2009 at 1:55 pm Backdoor Man

    I’ve said it before: go foreign. It creates unique challenges that not everyone is suited to deal with, but I’ve been with a foreign woman for 13 years. And if things ended between us, I’d get on the first plane back to her country to bang her compatriots. Maybe I’d even settle down with one of them. But knowing what I know, I wouldn’t even consider Americans for long-term relationships.

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  44. lemmonex and kassyk are both close friends of roosh and roissy, neither of them have dated roosh, so they are obv. not the blogger in question

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  45. ^ *neither dated roissy either oops

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  46. aha! your nervousness belies your intent

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  47. Sir Oliver-Ian Nigel St.John-Fauntleroy, Brit ex-pat opined:

    American Women. You can only spend so long with one before you crack. They’re out there, they’re loud, they’re bitter and they’re kooky

    They don’t believe in laughing: Instead, they would go to ‘laugh class’ to find out how, then solemnly say it had changed their life.

    the limey got it correctly. when in public, these bitches are like bikers in THEIR bar. It’s Rock of Love auditions.

    they’re too stupid to get basic, fundamental humor; hell, I predict they’ll attack even little ole’ me

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  48. i’d be interested to know who…i dated a former DC-area blogger…i wouldn’t think it was her but it could be some of her friends btw, does everyone in DC have a blog or something?

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  49. According to this article in the Telegraph, British men are some of the least romantic in the world and are clueless about a woman’s needs.

    This is the guy who came up with the idiotic survey results. Obvious beta. Listen to what he says about romance, then do the opposite.

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  50. on July 15, 2009 at 2:16 pm It's My First Day

    According to this article in the Telegraph, British men are some of the least romantic in the world and are clueless about a woman’s needs.

    The article then lists what women really want:

    The following are the ten best ways to woo her:
    1 – Cover her eyes and lead her to a lovely surprise
    2 – Whisk her away somewhere exciting for the weekend
    3 – Write a song or poem about her
    4 – Tell her that she is the most wonderful woman you have ever met
    5 – Run her a relaxing bath after she has had a bad day at work
    6 – Send her a romantic text or email, or leave a loving note around the house
    7 – Wake her up with breakfast in bed
    8 – Offer her a coat when she is cold
    9) Send her a bouquet of flowers, or a box of chocolates at work
    10) Make her a compilation of her favourite music

    The article fails to make the point that doing any of these things will not do squat except work against you unless she is already pussy-dripping in love with you. Even then, you want to do these sorts of things sparingly. It’s amazing how much bad advice is out there.

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  51. Backdoor Man

    “I’ve said it before: go foreign.”

    I will take it a step further:

    Go with girl that you don’t have a good grasp of her language.

    That way, there is nothing to argue about.

    And she will always remain “interesting” because you will have no idea what she is saying.

    Bliss.

    – MPM

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  52. I second the points on the ingenuity of the American woman’s laugh…

    1.) they don’t know how to flirt. they either default to raunchy sex talk or act like frigid ice queens. MEN WANT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE.

    2.) they try to go punch-for-punch with men in the jokes department. But they shouldn’t because women for the most part aren’t that funny.

    3.) they cuss too much. I only like the fact that a certain woman cusses because it indicates she’s liberal about such things as butt sex or jizz bombs on her face. i hate the fact that it makes her look stupid in front of other people and reflects badly on me.

    4.) Lastly, and most importantly…..American women lack GRACE. Instead of walking into a room and captivating every man by their beauty and demeanor, they captivate us by their short shorts and fakely tanned skin. i’m not saying i mind *too much*. i like looking at hot women. but there’s something to be said for the trade-off between spending a life focusing on external aesthetics while neglecting the internal.

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  53. Toby Young

    How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, Toby Young’s account of his five years in New York, is published by Abacus.

    -Mr. Young is an Englishman, here is his account of dating American women-

    though, my own experiences with North American females have taught me to avoid them like a swarm of bees. I spent five years living in Manhattan and, frankly, I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than go out on date with another American woman.

    I always found the experience of being on a date in New York extremely uncomfortable. The trouble is, like most Englishmen, I’m very easily embarrassed. There’s something far too direct about going out with someone solely with a view to assessing their suitability as a sexual partner. I prefer to sneak up on women and, when they’re not looking, rugby-tackle them into bed.

    North American women, needless to say, prefer a more politically correct approach. On the few occasions that I was able to persuade them to go out with me, I always marvelled at how unselfconscious they were about sizing me up. They invariably had a check list of questions that they shamelessly ran through over the course of the evening. What did I do for a living? What part of town was my apartment in? What kind of car did I drive? It was less like a romantic encounter than an extremely tough job interview.

    Even when I managed to jump this fence, I was still a long way from the finish line. North American women have a reputation for promiscuousness that is thoroughly undeserved.

    They may demand equality in the workplace, but when it comes to romance they expect to be treated like Jane Austen heroines. As Leah McLaren writes in her article, “In North America, it is generally understood that men chase women, and women, in turn, leave themselves open to being chased.” But the word “chase” scarcely does justice to the ridiculous obstacle course that has to be completed before an American girl will go to bed with you.

    At the end of the first date – which invariably cost me an arm and a leg – I was lucky if I got so much as a kiss. As a rule , I didn’t get past her doorstep until the third date and, even then, it was unlikely to be for anything more than a quick snog. It was as if they were still following the pattern they’d established in high school, even though some of these women were well into their thirties. Once you’ve embarked on the dating rat run in America, there are no short cuts to the cheese.

    Part of the problem was that, as a short, balding, William Hague-lookalike with no visible means of support, I wasn’t considered much of a catch. When American women complain that there’s a shortage of eligible men – and Leah McLaren is no exception – what they mean is there’s a shortage of tall, unattached, rich men who still have their own hair.

    I tried everything to turn myself into a more eligible bachelor. My father, the late Michael Young, was a life peer and I applied for an American Express card in the name of “Hon Toby Young” in the hope of impressing my dates. Unfortunately, when the card arrived it was in the name of “Hon Young”. Whenever I produced it at the end of a long meal, my dining companion just assumed I’d stolen it from a Korean medical student.

    I even hired a market research company to “rebrand” me. This involved convening a “focus group” of six American women between the ages of 18 and 35 and having a professional market research consultant lead them in a discussion of my shortcomings while I sat behind a two-way mirror. It was a brutal experience. The low point came when the consultant asked them if they’d ever consider having sex with me. I can still hear the gales of laughter to this day.

    The problem is, American women judge potential partners according to how many attributes they possess rather than what they’re like as people. These are, in descending order: social status, net worth, physical appearance, apartment, summer house and, a long way down the list, personality. No man is held to possess any intrinsic value – we’re all just the sum of our assets.

    – read the whole article here-

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-359247-details/It's+hard+dating+American+women/article.do

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  54. -here is the rest-

    Luckily, towards the end of my time in New York, I met a nice English girl. Being from London, Caroline was a breath of fresh air. If anything, she was an inverse snob, more likely to rule men out if they were too conspicuously successful, particularly if they rammed it down your throat.

    She was less preoccupied with men’s external attributes, however dazzling, and more interested in what they were like on the inside. That was lucky for me. The fact that she found me funny was also a big help. American women never laughed at my jokes – and I mean never.

    Perhaps the biggest difference between English and North American women is that English women just seem to laugh a lot more. Wherever I look in London, I see women throwing their heads back and roaring with laughter; it’s like some wonderful, Hogarthian pageant. In New York the women always looked uptight, their spirits as undernourished as their bodies.

    I followed Caroline back to London two years ago and last Sunday, over a glass of champagne in Le Caprice, we celebrated our first wedding anniversary. I wish Leah McLaren the best of British luck in her hunt for a decent Englishman. My tip would be to shed some of her nasty North American dating habits and start laughing at our jokes.

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  55. -Here is the beginning of the article.-

    Leah McLaren, a 26-year-old Canadian, has written a piece for The Spectator complaining about how pathetic English men are. The poor girl has been living in London for several months and no one has made a pass at her. Now, I know what you’re thinking. Perhaps she’s not that pretty. Well, you’re wrong. I’ve met Leah McLaren and she’s an absolute knockout.

    Indeed, I was so bowled over that when she told me about her difficulties with men it was me who suggested she write an article about it. That such a goddess can move through London society without being deluged with requests for dates is a terrible indictment of the English male. In Manhattan she’d be snapped up in a New York minute.

    Without wishing to denigrate Ms McLaren, though, my own experiences with North American females have taught me to avoid them like a swarm of bees. I spent five years living in Manhattan and, frankly, I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than go out on date with another American woman.

    I always found the experience of being on a date in New York extremely uncomfortable. The trouble is, like most Englishmen, I’m very easily embarrassed. There’s something far too direct about going out with someone solely with a view to assessing their suitability as a sexual partner. I prefer to sneak up on women and, when they’re not looking, rugby-tackle them into bed.

    North American women, needless to say, prefer a more politically correct approach. On the few occasions that I was able to persuade them to go out with me, I always marvelled at how unselfconscious they were about sizing me up. They invariably had a check list of questions that they shamelessly ran through over the course of the evening. What did I do for a living? What part of town was my apartment in? What kind of car did I drive? It was less like a romantic encounter than an extremely tough job interview.

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  56. I’m mildly disappointed in this post. Grouping an entire population together based on gender and location, especially when that location is so varied… it’s vaguely sensationalist, and pulling *cough* news items together to support a point of view based on a stereotype.

    Of course, since I am the “standard” American woman: masculine in personality and sexuality… I’m obviously biased.

    I continue to enjoy how men will continue to sleep with women who they consider sluts without complaint (at least to the slut in question), until after the sex has ended. It’s a theory of mine that most men believe that there are just twenty really slutty women in their town, and the rest are virginal angels, which is how the sheer amount of pussy a guy will get (and brag about) happens.

    Personally, I don’t see the point if there isn’t some sort of challenge. Yes, brand me as one of those American women who shit-tests. My shit-tests are a little different than the standard, but they’re still shit-tests. I do want to be overpowered, I do want to be smashed up against a wall and fucked senseless, I do enjoy the rape scenes, and I do enjoy creating aggressive sexual tension with the man I desire.

    If he can’t prove to me that he can give me what I want, sexually, if he can’t engage my mind as well, then what’s the point?

    Marilyn Monroe’s character in “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” gave a great little speech near the end of the movie. She was marrying a man for his money, and the man’s father did not want his son marrying a gold-digger. Basically, she said, men go after women for looks, so why can’t women go after men for money? Sure, you can marry/date an unattractive, massively overweight woman, but if you had the option of marrying/dating a young hottie… which would you pick? So we can date a man with money, or we can date a poor man. Different value sets. Why should it matter if you want a girl because of her phenomenal ass or if I want a man for his thick wallet?

    And, no, before people start ripping me to shreds, I’ve yet to date a man for his money, his car, or his connections. They’ve been bonuses, when the man has had them, yes, but certainly not why I dated them.

    If I had to date one man for the rest of my life, it wouldn’t be dependent on his ethnicity or origins, but on the person he is.

    Dreamer,

    I think what Roissy wants is for the Amercian women to invade the rest of the world and neutralize the non-American men so he can have his pick of whatever woman he wants without having to deal with cockblocking.

    I’m so game for this.

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  57. on July 15, 2009 at 2:38 pm mandy been here a while

    Dreamer

    As an American woman myself, I take this as a good example of how not to behave. Look for what is feminine and emulate those traits(kindness, gratefulness and nurturing, deferential nature) or acquire those skills(cooking, sewing, childcare, cleaning.)

    If you as an American woman aren’t like these women, men will notice your character. Men will probably be quite refreshed to meet you. 🙂

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  58. Poetry of Flesh

    “Sure, you can marry/date an unattractive, massively overweight woman, but if you had the option of marrying/dating a young hottie… which would you pick?”

    Neither if they are American.

    – MPM

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  59. Chuck

    “1.) they don’t know how to flirt. they either default to raunchy sex talk or act like frigid ice queens. MEN WANT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE.

    4.) Lastly, and most importantly…..American women lack GRACE. ”

    Great comments chuck.

    The “raunchy sex talk” from American girls these days is ridiculous.

    Sure I will swoop them.

    But never date them.

    “Grace”.

    Great word.

    American girls don’t have it.

    Anymore.

    – MPM

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  60. Just read the Toby Young piece: Owwww. He would’ve been better off being Waterboarded for a few hours than to have to go through that War Council of Women rating and judging him.

    Somebody please hand him a copy of The Game?

    Glad to see he finally lucked out in the end. But boy, what an experience. I’m so glad that didn’t happen to me.

    O

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  61. Obsidian

    Just read the Toby Young piece: Owwww. He would’ve been better off being Waterboarded for a few hours than to have to go through that War Council of Women rating and judging him.

    Yeah, and behind a one-way mirror? What cowards.

    The fact that American women derive pleasure from humiliating a man like that just about says it all.

    What amoral, degenerate scum.

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  62. on July 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm Willard Libby

    ……quotes from British ex-pats living in the U.S. describing their experiences dating American women.

    “American Women…….After a while all the things that attracted you to them: confidence, conversation, nice teeth, begin to bug you.”

    Love that one. Those Brits and their teeth.

    The British tend to be obsessively anti-American, many Americans don’t understand that. The English tend to fear and obsess on American power and significance in the world. It’s national and imperial envy and it probably informs their criticisms of American women.

    There are 150 million American women, very diverse group. I don’t know how they compare with non-American women, there’s just too many to compare.

    But I wouldn’t want to marry one or form some serious relationship with one because I just don’t think they are generally reliable. Especially now that they are rebelling against “The White Man” in so much that they do 24/7.

    The general harshness of American women will probably get worse. Black females are probably the worst in this area on average. But women of other races are catching up.

    Keep it shallow with women, don’t give them your money or your semen and you’ll be better off.

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  63. Toby Young experienced the agony of being a beta because he is clearly a beta. It sucks to date American girls if you have no looks, no money, and no game, what a surprise! Women everywhere, American, English, or whatever, detest betas, it’s a simple fact of life.

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  64. on July 15, 2009 at 2:59 pm Uncle Gabby

    Toby Young’s article got one important thing wrong when he stated that American women are not promiscuous. American women fuck men who are attractive but not relationship material. If you are relationship material sex is witheld for weeks while you are constantly shit-tested and bankrupted by traditional dates which are fucking expensive. Toby experienced the sexless, shit-testing side of American Womanhood because he was deemed to be relationship material, probably since he had decent manners, an easy-going disposion, “respect” for women.

    If he wanted to actually have sex with any of those girls he should have learned to hide the fact that his parents raised him to be a decent human being.

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  65. @Willard,

    You can give them your semen, just make sure they don’t keep it. =)

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  66. G Manifesto, you win. I’m now over here laughing my ass off.

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  67. -Obsidian-

    I went through something very similar to Mr. Youngs experience. I couldn’t get women interested in me for anything outside of the LJBF box!

    I encountered that article a few years back when I was trying to find out what I was doing wrong with women.

    After I read that article (a few years back) I remembered feeling very very depressed afterwards. It offered zero hope unless I was willing to move out of the US.

    I was lost- and i felt like shit- this was before i knew about “game” or MM.

    Now, i don’t know whether i should laugh or cry about my past life with women- I wish i could have found game a few years back, but now i know so much better.

    Rereading that article now- it reminds me of how bad things really were, and how far as I have grown and learned.

    Truly it is a shame that Mr. Young did not discover what game can do for a man.

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  68. on July 15, 2009 at 3:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””on July 15, 2009 at 12:36 pm Mandy! xD
    @Mehdi:

    “No no, American men would be alot more sucessfull as providers in a muslim country since they would not have to compete with women under unfair affirmative action laws.”

    Not all women who are successful become so through affirmative action laws only.

    Just sayin’. ”””””””

    Yea a lot are also sucessfull by fucking the boss or fucking the boss then saying the boss fucked them.

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  69. True story:
    I have not read Mr. Young’s blog for years- i had completely forgotten about it.

    Reading roissy’s blog today reminded me of that article; so i googled it and to my surprise i was able to find it.

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  70. on July 15, 2009 at 3:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””askjoe
    well, it’s probably time to bail on America anyway. Let’s see, flat tax, free-market health care, and men friendly divorce laws? anyone?””””””

    Where I go.

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  71. on July 15, 2009 at 3:15 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “If I had to date one man for the rest of my life, it wouldn’t be dependent on his ethnicity or origins, but on the person he is.”…………………………..

    If one things sums up the American attitude succinctly, it is the above comment. Who else but an American can imagine “dating for the rest of my life”???

    Very telling.

    Very telling indeed.

    lol.

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  72. on July 15, 2009 at 3:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Firepower
    aha! your nervousness belies your intent””””

    On it

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  73. on July 15, 2009 at 3:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””The G Manifesto
    Backdoor Man

    “I’ve said it before: go foreign.”

    I will take it a step further:

    Go with girl that you don’t have a good grasp of her language.

    That way, there is nothing to argue about.

    And she will always remain “interesting” because you will have no idea what she is saying.

    Bliss.

    – MPM”””””””””’

    The G man understands.

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  74. I swear many of you commenter men are so stupid. Hello velvet.

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  75. @Chuck:

    “2.) they try to go punch-for-punch with men in the jokes department. But they shouldn’t because women for the most part aren’t that funny.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701?currentPage=1

    This was a fairly interesting article on men vs. women in humor, for those who would like to read.

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  76. on July 15, 2009 at 3:26 pm russell rodriguez

    i agree, many american girls are not as nice as the girls in the guatemala, many american girls i know so far think they can tell funny jokes and think they are better than a lot of people.

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  77. Women who play the field are “tacky american sluts” yet, Roissy, you frequently encourage men to sleep around on your blog. Please explain the difference?

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  78. Speaking of grace or the lack there of. Why do so many American girls have such poor posture and a strange shuffling gate as if they’ve worn flip flops solely for the whole of their lives?

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  79. on July 15, 2009 at 3:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Poetry of Flesh
    I’m mildly disappointed in this post. Grouping an entire population together based on gender and location, especially when that location is so varied… it’s vaguely sensationalist, and pulling *cough* news items together to support a point of view based on a stereotype.

    Of course, since I am the “standard” American woman: masculine in personality and sexuality… I’m obviously biased.”””””””””””””’

    You can group all woman together based on a sterotype because they are also grouped together based on their ability to fuck up a guys life with divorce. Just like every man has the capability to kill a woman who does that to him.

    So apparently grouping people is ok the governent does it.
    The government is racist and sexist well so can you be.

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  80. @DF
    “Why do so many American girls have such poor posture”
    Heavy backpacks, uncomfortable desks in schools, etc.

    Laziness, also.

    Scoliosis is fairly common as well.

    If you’re talking about young people.

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  81. @Gunslinger:

    Yeah, but two wrongs don’t make a right! Just because a government might be biased doesn’t mean you should continue to be.

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  82. Roissy, have you lived much outside of DC domestically? A year in Minnesota, a youth in Iowa, a semester in Seattle, etc?

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  83. Game in BK,
    Your experience is hardly unique, indeed it is quite common for Men accross the social/color/ethnic spectrum. The teens and 20s are hands down thee most difficult time of life for most Men. Sure, some do quite well, but they’re the exceptions to the rule.

    As Style noted in The Game, the simple truth is that Men don’t have a system that helps them navigate these very important, yet troubled waters. Indeed, Game was born of a direct need to combat the serious shortcomings a Man had out in the dating world.

    I was talking about this the other night w/Brown Sugah. She simply could not understand how Rejection-and not the “soft landing” kind, but the rhetorical equivalent of being shotdown like a Zero variety-can mar a Man for life. Its not something many Men will say openly, lest his very Manhood be called into question. But every Man here knows what its like to be in Toby Young’s shoes at some point in their life, and it does NOT feel good.

    Because the basis on which you’re being shotdown, rejection, deing directed to “talk to the hand” seems so…flimsy. So superficial. Maybe they are. But whatever the case, we feel that so much of who we truly are, never even gets a chance to shine. Only that we’re not leading Man looks-enough, or rich and/or connected-enough, or drives a car/or the right car-enough, or not tall enough-those are the sole criteria that so often rules the day.

    Yea, Brown Sugah countered, but we Women have to go through rejection too! Yes, I said, you’re right-however, Women have a powerful tool at their disposal that Men are still learning how to use:

    Counselling. Women are known to compare notes, be there for each other when times are bad or going through a breakup, and give tips on what to do to either get or keep a Man. Yea, Women are also notorious schemers and backstabbers to each other, too-errthing has its downsides-still, it simply cannot be denied that Women have, perhaps for millennia, had a decisive edge over Men when it came to weathering the storms of dating/mating and marital life. Heck, there’s even what are known in the magazine world as the “Seven Sisters”!-there is no known equivalent for Men (and please note, that there ain’t any particular interest on the part of Women to give guys such an equal shot either-they know they got an upperhand).

    That’s why I’m such an advocate of Game-with needed criticism-because I see it as perhaps the only real tool, system and way that Men can not only learn the Ways of Women to their benefit, but also as a means of helping and supporting each other. For the vast majority of Men, learning about Women, love, dating, courting, sex, etc, is a lonely and often painful affair, chockfull of hit and miss trials and tribulations. You dare not discuss these things in the company of other Men lest you risk even more ridicule and shame. And, as Brown Sugah rightly noted, its up to Men to decide to help ourselves.

    That’s why, for all my disagreements I may have w/Roissy-and I have quite a few-in the longview I see him as a net positive and benefit for Men. The Internet has given us a means to discuss these things w/amazing clarity and detail, yet at the same time w/o the cloying dimensions of an Iron John gathering out in the woods. Its a perfect medium for Guy related themes.

    Its often said that Girls mature faster than Boys, and I would agree w/that. The flipside to that though, is that once Boys get it, they really get it-

    And become Masters of the Game.

    O

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  84. Mandy:

    Great link. I’ve always been a big fan of Hitchens’. Here’s a quote:

    “Most of them, though, when you come to review the situation, are hefty or dykey or Jewish, or some combo of the three.”

    I’m glad he said this, because I was thinking something along these lines. American women’s humor has gone the way that society has. As women have become more masculinized, so has their humor. The problem is that it doesn’t come as naturally to them so they are behind the 8 ball on it. The ones that have a leg up are the hefty, dykey, Jewish women who were already more masculinized.

    Think of it….who are the best female comedians that you can think of? Ellen (dyke), Roseanne? (fat), Sarah Silverman (Jew), Paula Poundstone (dyke and maybe Jew), Joan Rivers (Jew), Margaret Cho (dyke).

    Hell it even applies to African Americans. Wanda Sykes is masculine. Any chick on Def Comedy Jams that I ever saw looked like Missy Misdemeanor (read: fat).

    Straight, thin, WASP females aren’t funny.

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  85. on July 15, 2009 at 3:43 pm Willard Libby

    Tarl – Toby Young experienced the agony of being a beta because he is clearly a beta. It sucks to date American girls if you have no looks, no money, and no game, what a surprise! Women everywhere, American, English, or whatever, detest betas, it’s a simple fact of life.

    Toby Young

    With the wife.

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  86. @Chuck:

    Sarah Silverman isn’t even that funny.

    Actually, most female comedians aren’t.

    I always thought Tina Fey wasn’t that bad though. I’m not talking about Sarah Palin impersonations, I’m talking about Baby Momma.

    There are funnier movies though, like The Hangover. Which is probably guy humor, but I think everyone will love it.

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  87. on July 15, 2009 at 3:48 pm Serpent's Egg

    Desire In Women: Does It Lead To Sex? Or Result From It?

    If so many women don’t experience male-style desire before sex, then why do they make love?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200907/desire-in-women-does-it-lead-sex-or-result-it

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  88. Straight, thin, WASP females aren’t funny.

    That’s the fault of men.

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  89. They don’t believe in laughing: Instead, they would go to ‘laugh class’ to find out how, then solemnly say it had changed their life.

    This really hits the nail on the head. Ever go out to dinner with a group of SWPL girls and their beta-boys? Everyone’s an expert on every obscure food. “Have you been to Gourmando’s? They have the most amazing gruyère-manchego mac n cheese! So decadant!” No one’s actually enjoying the food because they are too busy demonstrating to everyone else how much they are enjoying it. With American women it’s the same with their yoga classes, their meditation retreats, their artistic pursuits, their careers, whatever. Everything has to be self-improving. My theory is that they pick this up in high school while obsessing about college applications and they never learn any other mode of being. They can’t just be, and they certainly rarely seem to be truly smiling.

    Like many people, it took extensive travelling in Europe, Africa, and Latin America for me to realize what I was missing: true spontenaiety, other-centeredness (as opposed to American women who say only “I, I, I; me, me me”), and women who loved themselves and not just their resumes.

    And of course I am generalizing. And of course there are exceptions. And they are precious indeed, and worthy of praise. …

    …ah funny, just got a call from one as I was typing this. What a breath of fresh air she is; I was beginning to make myself depressed. Ha ha.

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  90. on July 15, 2009 at 3:51 pm Willard Libby

    Chuck – Think of it….who are the best female comedians that you can think of? Ellen (dyke), Roseanne? (fat), Sarah Silverman (Jew), Paula Poundstone (dyke and maybe Jew), Joan Rivers (Jew), Margaret Cho (dyke).

    Roseanne Barr is also Jewish.

    Hell it even applies to African Americans. Wanda Sykes is masculine.

    Wanda is an out as a lesbian.

    Straight, thin, WASP females aren’t funny.

    They aren’t much of anything.

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  91. on July 15, 2009 at 3:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Willard Libby
    Tarl – Toby Young experienced the agony of being a beta because he is clearly a beta. It sucks to date American girls if you have no looks, no money, and no game, what a surprise! Women everywhere, American, English, or whatever, detest betas, it’s a simple fact of life.

    Toby Young

    With the wife.”””””””””””””””’

    Yea head tilt in head tilt out.

    I look at my pictures head erect. Her looking at me.

    Or the one where I tossed her ass on the bed when they where taking wedding pictures happy as fuck!!

    he he he

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  92. on July 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Serpent’s Egg
    Desire In Women: Does It Lead To Sex? Or Result From It?

    If so many women don’t experience male-style desire before sex, then why do they make love?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200907/desire-in-women-does-it-lead-sex-or-result-it”””””””””””

    Don’t need to read article. Woman always desire sex men need to initiate it.

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  93. Anonymous

    “Women who play the field are “tacky american sluts” yet, Roissy, you frequently encourage men to sleep around on your blog. Please explain the difference?”

    It is called The Natural Order of Things.

    – MPM

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  94. “That’s the fault of men.”

    yeah, sure.

    humor and irony are all self-defense mechanisms for those who seek to overcome. those that seek to overcome are usually those that weren’t at the top of the social heap.

    attractive, WASP females are as “at the top of the social heap” as one can get, ergo their lack of humor. it’s not men’s doing, it’s the way of the world. it’s nature.

    humor is a tool used for either upward mobility or to keep from going insane.

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  95. If he wanted to actually have sex with any of those girls he should have learned to hide the fact that his parents raised him to be a decent human being.

    Damn that hits close to home.

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  96. on July 15, 2009 at 4:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea DT my parents raised me to be a decent human being but thanks to racial diversity and section 8 look at me now.

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  97. Chuck,

    I think we’re on the same page. I’ve seen Eastern European men and their women. They won’t treat a woman like she’s the funniest thing since Chris Rock just because she’s hot. They won’t treat her like the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde with each observation she makes. I think the betaness in the West has reached such ass-kissing levels that modern American women simply have no way of knowing how unfunny or uninteresting they are! You ever see how hard a beta laughs at any lame joke a girl makes?

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  98. on July 15, 2009 at 4:15 pm BasilRansom

    God, has anyone here listened to NPR? I tried for a couple minutes, and the male broadcasters are god damn effeminate, eunuchs all of them. Eloi.

    Back to topic: There is a real difference, between women foreign and domestic.

    But it’s made worse by adverse selection: ie., that the more feminine types are more likely to get hitched, and earlier too. Marriage of course isn’t as common in Europe.

    While foreign women are better on average, they seem sort of undifferentiated. Maybe it’s cause I’m basing my judgments on Scandinavia, where people are more homogenous and introverted. Seems easier to find an exceptional American girl. Might be a language thing.

    I find the american-born, foreign family, upper middle class types the best. Girls from rural/lily white states are promising too.

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  99. G, never heard it put better.

    Women need to realize how feminism is their version of creationism.

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  100. Chuck,
    Was just reading your “Where’s My Obama?” post on your blog, btw. Good stuff!-and raises some really icky questions for the Sistahood as you rightly noted. Afterall, they had a direct hand in raising the last few generations of Black Men-the sole hand, for the most part. So, if there are few if any Obamas around, Black Women need only take a good, hard, long look in the mirror for that, because of the things you noted.

    But of course, Black Women being, first and foremost Women, will fight tooth and nail the notion of accepting any responsibility at all. Such is a Woman’s way.

    Anyway…

    I think you make a very good point about humor in general, and female comedians in particular, and yes, I too have noticed that Def Comedy Jam’s Black Women comedians either tended to be extremely mannish (all the cursing and whatnot-turnoff) and/or, be quite overweight.

    Good post.

    O

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  101. BasilRansom, try The Sports Guy’s (Bill Simmon’s) podcast, “The B.S. Report.”

    I used to think the guy was a beta bitch, but funny: another white NBA fan’s refusal to criticize black basketball players for bad/obnoxious/anti-social behavior (the closest he ever came was talking about how “white” america can’t relate to, and I quote “overconfident african-americans”), and instead blaming NBA refs for the poor state of the game;

    letting his wife (!) write a column or two, letting her bet on games and report on her beating him, talking about his pathetic LA-based family (I call her “The Sports Whore”);

    and whiny, castrated face-offs when givent he opportunity to take on guys face-to-face he usually does backhandedly (the guy who runs the clippers, Isiah Thomas, etc.)

    Still, his columns bring the funny, and are long enough and referenced-enough like a family guy to make you forget.

    Then put on the B.S Report. Wow. A whiny, nasally, ball-less nerdy voice eminates like queef from a freshly-fucked vagina; the only thing he needs is a pair of bitch tits and nerd glasses to cememnt himself as beta sportswriter of the year (tough to do—most sportswriters are whiny lickspittle lackeys to athletes who treat them like the bitches they are).

    And then he went and praised Colin Cowherd.

    Game Over.

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  102. It’s the whole role-reversal thing that American women are on about which is the basis for all of this, including humor.

    A few decades ago, some bored women decided they wanted to be more like men. As a result of that, and the movement they spawned, American women have become progressively more masculine over the past few decades. That makes them much less attractive, in general — because just as women are not attracted to feminine men, men are not attracted to masculine women. Why women refuse to understand this is a mystery, but probably is based on the worship of women by manginas and other betas in this culture.

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  103. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1900432

    “I should seriously consider doing standup comedy”

    Regarding women and humor.

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  104. This Seattle Time article has some juicy quotes from British ex-pats living in the U.S. describing their experiences dating American women.

    British? I would perhaps understand men from other places complaining like this, but Brits?! Of all the pathologies in the relations between the sexes that are regularly discussed in this blog, I find it hard to imagine a single one that wouldn’t be even worse in Britain than in the U.S. Just go to the “Beta of the Year” submissions page and look all those links to UK stories. It’s not a representative sample, of course, but whatever I read anywhere else confirms my impression that the cultural decay has progressed far more over there. The only possible exception is the American black underclass — and not even that if we are to trust the impressions of Theodore Dalrymple, who has chronicled similar pathologies among the British underclass.

    This is not to say that the American situation isn’t quite awful, of course. However, these British guys sound like someone coming from Canada complaining about cold winters. Maybe I’m wrong and there exist some secluded corners of Britain where charming nice girls are the rule, but they’re sure doing a good job of staying hidden from foreign view.

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  105. Am in front of the Ed Sullivan theater in NYC- Paul McCartney is about to give a live rooftop concert over Broadway, apparently. Fans should watch Dave tonight…!

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  106. POF,

    I’m mildly disappointed in this post.

    then shut up and go away

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  107. Guns, “So apparently grouping people is ok the governent does it.
    The government is racist and sexist well so can you be.”

    For some reason, I was holding Roissy to higher standards of intelligence than the American government.

    And I’m not really one to fall into a social practice if it doesn’t agree with my experience or ethics, whether or not it is being advocated by the political machine.

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  108. Lance,

    If I left whenever a man mildly disappointed me, I wouldn’t have nearly as much fun as I do.

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  109. @V- not to defend Gunny’s logic or syntax, but I recall he was referring to divorce law- a coerced government “social practice” that affected men have no choice but to fall in line with. Yes, Roissy and his posse are more intelligent than that, but all we can do on this poor blog is rage against the machine.

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  110. on July 15, 2009 at 5:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””Vladimir
    This is not to say that the American situation isn’t quite awful, of course. However, these British guys sound like someone coming from Canada complaining about cold winters. Maybe I’m wrong and there exist some secluded corners of Britain where charming nice girls are the rule, but they’re sure doing a good job of staying hidden from foreign view.””””””””””””””””’

    I don’t know britons can’t be all bad the only british girl I met was the one who let me tatoo my name in her arm with a needle.

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  111. on July 15, 2009 at 5:00 pm Seeking Alpha

    @maurice

    Did that NYC meet up thing ever end up happening?

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  112. on July 15, 2009 at 5:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    And you guys talk about having sex on the third date mua mua hahahahahaha

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  113. @S_A-nope, I guess not. I’m here and could get out for an hour or so, but didn’t really plan so probably too late.

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  114. on July 15, 2009 at 5:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea maurice it is wierd as fuck

    Individual racism bad
    government enforced racism good

    Individual womanhate bad
    government enforced womanhate good

    Individual sexism bad
    Government enforced sexism good

    Individual recieving benefit from wife bad
    Gov/Company recieving benefit good

    Individual man having his wife wrapped around finger bad
    Comany having the individuals wife wrapped around finger good

    Woman moving to help guys carreer bad
    Company telling woman to move for career good.

    Individual man hate good
    Government enforced man hate good

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  115. -maurice-

    im going out right now.
    lower east side.
    if you want to meet for an hour or two i am game.

    email me quick (if you want to meet) before i walk out the door.

    [email protected]

    if you can’t make it- no worries.

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  116. Sometimes ole Roissy hits the mark to well, all I can say is, Amen and Hallelujah brother!

    An anecdote: I had an Italian grad student for a while. He was having a bit of trouble getting his sea legs in the new country, so I gave him a few pointers. He came into my office some weeks later with a long face, and I enquired whether he had any success. He had. But unfortunately, he came to realize that American women are all fat, loud and fuck you with their clitoris. He thought at first there was something wrong with him, but I assured him that’s how it is in America. He left the next year, rather than bothering with his Ph.D.

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  117. on July 15, 2009 at 5:11 pm Seeking Alpha

    @S_A-nope, I guess not. I’m here and could get out for an hour or so, but didn’t really plan so probably too late.

    Oh okay, just curious. I’ll be in the city Saturday night.

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  118. Lurker,
    Your comments about “over-confident Black NBA players” was interesting. Question-what do you think needs to be said about them, and why? And why is it Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle or Ty Cobb, to name just a few (McEnroe), seem to get a pass for their clearly antisocial behavior?

    Comments?

    O

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  119. Maurice, thank you for not defending his ever-changing syntax, as then I would start to question your opinions on most everything.

    I had nothing to argue with his point, nothing really to say. We have nothing near a perfect legal system, and while there are laws that essentially ass-rape men, there are, I’m sure, some that are less beneficial, or even damaging to women. And I’m not even going to bother getting into race (I’m sure Obsidian can step in with a load more information than I can).

    Basically: many things aren’t fair. Change them, fight them, accept them, work around them, or cry about them online. I don’t see the point in crying about divorce laws. Easy way to avoid the hassle: don’t get married. People do stupid things when emotional.

    Or, in Guns also doable theory, kill your wife once she declares she wishes to become your ex-wife.

    Either or, really.

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  120. My gay, male friend admits that heterosexual men have the worst of the lot, especially here in North America, professing that most women here don’t know how to behave femininely. He calls it the “Cinderella Complex”: straight, American women expect things to saunter over to them, including an attractive, executive to bend over backwards and make them their bride. I cannot agree more, especially when it comes to my single, female friends who bemoan their singledom but don’t take action to remedy it.

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  121. Gunny,
    Could you please give an example or two of what you mean when you say “government enforced racism”? Thanks!

    O

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  122. on July 15, 2009 at 5:32 pm Willard Libby

    lurker

    BasilRansom, try The Sports Guy’s (Bill Simmon’s) podcast, “The B.S. Report.”………

    Then put on the B.S Report. Wow. A whiny, nasally, ball-less nerdy voice eminates like queef from a freshly-fucked vagina; the only thing he needs is a pair of bitch tits and nerd glasses to cememnt himself as beta sportswriter of the year (tough to do—most sportswriters are whiny lickspittle lackeys to athletes who treat them like the bitches they are).

    Never heard of him but here’s what he looks and sounds like.

    Looks and sounds like he’s genetically doomed to being a PC/SWPL liberal, faggy, white male wimp.

    But his Reggie Cleveland All-Stars and Emilio Estevez All-Stars lists are interesting.

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  123. on July 15, 2009 at 5:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    Affirmative action.

    Forced movement of protected classes of people to areas where there are too many of a certain race.

    If the areas don’t comply refusing government grant money until a certain percentage of protected classes is reached.

    Bussing of protected classes to schools to insure that people get the experience of knowing how a protected classes of person feels from there persective.

    Making sure that one gender/race of people know why they didn’t get a job is because that another gender/race of people took it. They where excluded based on race only and even having much higher skills was not included at all in the criteria.

    Forcing large companies to set up entire divisions and hire people from protected races/gender to insure that a certain percentage of business is bought from those protected races gender not based on the quality or price of their product but only based on whether or not the purchase is coming from a protected race/gender.

    It is constantly giving racial/gender preference to one race/gender over another.

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  124. on July 15, 2009 at 5:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Poetry of Flesh
    ”””””””Or, in Guns also doable theory, kill your wife once she declares she wishes to become your ex-wife.

    Either or, really.””””””””””””””

    So you understand the position the government puts men in. It is disgusting really.

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  125. Gunny,
    Given the “examples” you cite I fail to see where they comport w/your earlier comments about “government enforced racism”.

    For example, school bussing was an attempt to desegregate the public schools per the 1954 Brown v Board decision. You may disagree w/that, but it wasn’t about what you write above.

    Redlining and other tactics to prevent Blacks from buying homes where they choose is another area that Board v Board sought to address. As far as I know, there is no “affirmative action” program to forcibly move Blacks into an area.

    And again-as Sailer has noted recently, most really important jobs that Whites hold aren’t being contested by Blacks in the main-theyre being contested by other Whites.

    And so on.

    I know you and other Whites, mainly Males, want so desperately believe the world is out to get you, but the hardheaded facts simply don’t add up.

    O

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  126. Thanks, Dad, for making this topic of conversation possible.

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  127. “You ever see how hard a beta laughs at any lame joke a girl makes?”

    I know all too well…i used to do that exact same thing.

    you can always tell who has the upper hand in a relationship by who is laughing at whose stupid jokes. that’s usually one of the ways i know when to make a move on a chick, when she laughs at the most retarded of my retarded jokes.

    [editor: this insight deserves its own maxim.]

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  128. Ty Cobb got a free pass on being an asshole? John McEnroe got a free pass on being a dick? I don’t even care about sports generally and I am well aware that the primary statements about them are of the “great player, but man what a prick!” variety.

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  129. on July 15, 2009 at 6:15 pm GNPs are for Apes

    For all their flaws, I hardly think that British people are in a position to pick apart the flaws of American women.

    British women, on average, are far from ladylike. They are extremely uncouth, foul, and dumb.

    [editor: british women are ugly. every pic i’ve seen of a brit ladette in their papers or news shows confirms my suspicion that their women are among the ugliest of europe. and i’m not just talking about their teeth. can any brit readers fill me in? are your women really that ugly?]

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  130. “You ever see how hard a beta laughs at any lame joke a girl makes?”

    And to think, for years, I thought it was just being polite in lieu of saying you suck since you’re not funny.

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  131. you can always tell who has the upper hand in a relationship by who is laughing at whose stupid jokes. that’s usually one of the ways i know when to make a move on a chick, when she laughs at the most retarded of my retarded jokes.

    The best is when she calls one of her friends over to hear the hilarious joke you made and the friend looks at both of you like you’re retarded. Then you know it’s really on.

    And to think, for years, I thought it was just being polite in lieu of saying you suck since you’re not funny.

    I know you’re just trying to frustrate by being contrarian, but I’ll bite. For normal people, you either get dead silence or transparently polite laughter when you do a lame joke. Or someone verbally says “That’s funny” instead of laughing. With a hot chick, you get a chorus of beta belly laughter and thigh slapping at a lame joke.

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  132. on July 15, 2009 at 6:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Gunnies prenump and only way to marry western chicks. No paper or lawyer required. Only Verbally.

    Because of the sick system we live in I had to do this with the first wife.

    1. If you treat me in a divorce like my mom treated my dad I will kill you.

    2. We will only have a kid when we both agree. Accidents are not options. If you do not allow me to see my kid in event of divorce I will kill you.

    3. If you feel the need to cheat you can tell me beforehand. If you disrespect me by cheating behind my back I will kill you.

    4. I expect you to work so we can live off of my paycheck and save yours. Which will allow us to save an entire paycheck a year so that within a short time we can be financially independant then go ahead and pop out a kid.

    5. My goal in life is to be rich not live paycheck to paycheck till I die.

    After she agreed to these conditions we got married.

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  133. if she can’t outearn him she can simply get financial help of one sort or another via Big Daddy State, from Affirmative Action to Welfare

    It’s better than handing over 90% of your income to a golddigger who fakes her love and desire for you over a twenty to fifty year period. Of course, for a place where pretty lies die, nobody wants to admit that beta-marrying women are golddiggers.

    but there’s something to be said for the trade-off between spending a life focusing on external aesthetics while neglecting the internal.

    The internal is useless for sex, and if you have game, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on such silly concepts. There is no trade off as the external is everything.

    God, has anyone here listened to NPR? I tried for a couple minutes, and the male broadcasters are god damn effeminate, eunuchs all of them.

    Hey, I listen to NPR!

    A few decades ago, some bored women decided they wanted to be more like men.

    The secret reason is that there’s more power in being a man. Nobody really wants to be the nigger.

    [editor: DA have you ever thought you might not fit in anywhere? maybe you should start your own country and live there. you could call it Omegastan. every young boy would be required by law to possess a terabyte of porn, and every young woman would have a harem of beta househelp orbiters and an alpha they share sexually with twenty other girls. you would be king of this land, and yet you still wouldn’t get any pussy, unable or unwilling to cash in on your top dog status. the people would revere you, and they would erect a giant bronze statue of an acrylic nail in your honor.]

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  134. on July 15, 2009 at 6:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now your being naieve about black people with a white person who understands them from inside the hood as it where. Now when your argueing with another white person you will tell them they don’t understand real brothas. Now all the sudden you don’t either. I think I have lived under more real black conditions than your then. Your black cred is gone. Go hang with the white blacks. lol

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  135. DA have you ever thought you might not fit in anywhere?

    Deep down inside in the bowels of my inner thoughts, yes, I have thought so as well. The square in the world of circle pegs…

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  136. Capt. Napalm,
    I was only pointing out the fact that the Men you mentioned, they’re obvious character flaws didn’t seem to diminish their athletic value. But it seems the reverse for Black athletes-unless they’re perfect gentlmen AND excellent on the field, they’re damaged goods. I see this as yet another manifestation of the Noble/Magical Negro theory.

    And Dave Alex, Roissy’s right, you really are losing your mojo.

    O

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  137. DA is not a true beta. He sticks to his guns and ideology and has more of a clearly defined identity than most alphas. And he makes more people respond to his frames than vice versa. He’s tooling everybody by sucking them into his frame and getting them to react to him. He’s slicker than people realize. I tip my hat to him.

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  138. on July 15, 2009 at 6:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lets put it in terms you might understand.

    2 companies walk into a government office one owned by a black man one owned by a white man. The white mans door costs 2000 dollars and is built like a piece of tinfoil shit. The black mans door is built like a solid oak door and will last forever the black man also saw fit to engrave some nice designs on the door or do whatever the governent required the door to have. The black mans door costs 500 dollars.

    Now what the governent says is we are buying the white mans door for 2000 but we don’t give a shit that it is a crap door. They tell the black man that sure your door is 500 dollars but we have to buy the white mans door because he is white. Got nothing to do with the door or the price. It is because he is white.

    Is this racism?

    200 hundred people take a test for 10 jobs. 170 of them are white 30 are black. The 30 black people perform in the top 30 percent of the test. So the nearest white person only scored a 69 percent. Yet all ten jobs are filled by white people. The black people are told that sure they did really great on the test but to go ahead and please leave because they needed to hire only white people for the test. The black people go home pissed because they wonder why they took the test in the first place.

    Is this racism?

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  139. Prediction: brain imaging will provide reasonably reliable lie detection our lifetime:
    http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2009/07/good_to_the_bone_adducing_hone.php
    Relevance to this site: pretty soon sex researchers will have _much_ more exact data on people’s number of sex partners etc.

    I for one predict no truly great surprises though. The numbers won’t be that different from self-reports, though there will, of course, be some adjustment. For example, the data will show a slightly higher mean number of partners for women. But we already knew that some women are lying through their teeth on these sorts of things. I don’t think we are going to see the doubling of numbers that Roissy and some others might predict though.

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  140. on July 15, 2009 at 6:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Look within what you said to find the answer rain. But yea that is what is needed guns prenump or leave 2 options.

    3rd option bending over and taking it.

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  141. I can count on one hand the number of truly FEMININE American women I have met in the past few years. And the two or three that I did meet were married.

    I’ve been contemplating my escape from this bass-ackward cesspool for a few years now.

    The plan is to bang it out with as many of these brash, masculinized American cum receptacles as possible for another 7-8 years (45ish), establish a couple of passive revenue streams to allow me to comfortably retire, then move to one of the handful of non-westernized (read- non feminized) countries to find a modest, demure, exotic little 26 year old flower who will graciously accept my seed in exchange for the privilege of basking in the glow of my masculinity.

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  142. Roosh “The thing that bothers me about said blogger is that her readers actually respect her, like she’s the sweet girl-next-door type. If only they knew the truth.”

    name names or provide links. just hinting is cruel. Has she commented on this blog before?

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  143. on July 15, 2009 at 7:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Thursday I think bhetti and mandy where bringing that up before too. Would make getting married easy or hard. You could ask all the hard questions but then maybe no one would get married.

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  144. Gunny,
    Personally, I find the idea of affirmative action in private businesses to be wrong-unless you’re receiving help from said gov’t in some way, you should be free to hire and fire employees on whatever grounds that you choose. Of course there are unions and the real impact of clientele who might not like your hirin and firing decisions, etc. But those are levers that come from the private sector mostly, and should remain that way. If a private company is successful, it simply means that its policies up & down the line have also largely been successful.

    I also think that affirmative action should be much more narrowly defined than it currently is. Roughly half of all African Americans polled think affirmative action should be re-assessed if not done away with outright.

    Why would good meaning Whites want to alienate these folk?

    O

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  145. lurker
    roosh, roissy name please!

    And blog link, more importantly!

    If they do, you better not go and cuss her out. keep the dirt among those residing in chateau roissy.

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  146. on July 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Obsidian
    Gunny,
    Given the “examples” you cite I fail to see where they comport w/your earlier comments about “government enforced racism”. ”””””””””’

    Your moving the goal posts is it or is it not government enforced racism.

    Not asking about what you think about the reality without answering the question or what might be the reality in the future. What is the reality now.

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  147. You could ask all the hard questions but then maybe no one would get married.

    Not sure if any test would be perfectly reliable for all individuals, as opposed to providing vastly better statistics for large groups. Still, assuming it was reliable enough for individuals, people would just have incentives to behave better.

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  148. Welmer: “But which ones are easier to live with?”

    I can’t really tell because I have yet to get beyond a one-night stand with a Norwegian woman. My longest relationship with an American woman was two months, and I had another girlfriend for one month and another for six weeks. I did practically live with the last one and that was the best time of my life, despite her being a single mom (as were the others) which took most of her attention. We were almost like a family. She was the only one who didn’t dump me but rather I had to leave the country as I had no more money or a work permit.

    Having had 23 women does not sound too bad, but since I never had an LTR and most were one-night stands, it still amounts to being lonely and frustrated most of the time. It would take hundreds at least to be satisfied outside of committed relationships.

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  149. And Dave Alex, Roissy’s right, you really are losing your mojo.

    Admittedly, you and Roissy are right, and my performances and writing just haven’t kept up in terms of what I’ve written before in the pursuit of rambling. Maybe I need a vacation, or more sleep, just some time away from the screen, or some more time with hobbies.

    Eh, I’ll go take my niece and cousin to the park before sunset in lieu of ushering more sub par work on the screen.

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  150. I think you may be suffering from overexposure right now DA. Can’t dilute the brand.

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  151. If American men weren’t so soft, then maybe women wouldn’t walk all over them. Somebody has to be letting women do what they do and get away with whatever they’re getting away with. When it all comes down to it, American men have no one to blame but themselves. Three dates before sex? Are you kidding me? Stop being a pussy and learn to put your goddamn foot down.

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  152. chic, you dumb bitch, I’ll cuss her out and make her cry, just like you do every night into your lonely, cold pillow.

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  153. on July 15, 2009 at 7:45 pm Cliff Arroyo

    Arpie,

    How many times do I have to say it? Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia! (maybe even Romania! probably even Bulgaria).

    Get your lonely frustrated ass to Central or Eastern Europe (steer clear of Balkan crazy nationalist or former USSR countries) and you’ll be in an LTR that makes anything you had in the states seem like a Spongebob cartoon before you know what hit you.

    Central Eastern European girls (in situ, not so much when they emigrate) are pretty and smart and will fight to the death for a nerdy smart Norwegian boyfriend/fiance (your only concern will be to not become some girl’s fiance before you realize it; hint: her family will start thinking of you and referring to you as son-in-law long before you actually suggest getting hitched).

    Just make sure you steer clear of the bachelor party crowd (and capital cities). Develop some local friendships with guys (or better yet families) who can weed out whorish golddiggers (and you’ll be paired off and happy before you know what hit you. I’ve seen East Euro gals work wonders with guys who have a _lot_ less going for them than you. It’s close and cheap and you have no excuse for not testing the waters (unless you’re terrified of the prospect of being paired off and happy).

    If you stay stuck in safe, boring post-family post-national-national Bergen and keep hitting on 60 year old two’s with a strategy that’s bound to fail for you (the AO, the worst possible choice for someone like you) then you deserve all the sexual frustration you get. Go East young man!

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  154. I can’t even begin to count how many women have told me “I want a man that will put me in my place”, “I want a man to take charge”, and variations thereof. All I see in the seduction community and in various articles about men who got screwed are a bunch of men whining because they don’t have the balls to take control of the situations that they come across with women.

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  155. on July 15, 2009 at 7:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is where you can maybe toss some examples out assanova of how to do that to help them. lol

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  156. Where I come from, the views on American women are rather stereotypical, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not right. If anything, I have yet to meet one who doesn’t match most or all of them. Keep in mind that these are American exchange students.

    1. Too fucking loud. Seriously. Everyone I know has at least once experienced the joy of sitting in a restaurant, having a nice chat with friends, and the whole thing being interrupted with “OH MY GOD” followed by stream-of-consciousness bullshit from across the room. My theory is that since most American women talk a lot but say nothing, they add both quantity and volume to their speech so people with lesser bullshit detectors won’t notice that she has been going on about nothing for what seems like an eternity.

    2. Whorish. Easy. Absolutely not marriage material. Over here we have a distinction between girls: Those you marry and those you have fun with. Even the slightest suggestion of American women falling into the former category would be met with ridicule and laughter.

    3. Man-like. Lacking in modesty. I’m sure that (sadly) the shit American women do no longer shocks American men that much, but coming from a culture where women are more reserved, the shit they do and say is just cringe-worthy.

    4. Did you notice the overall theme? A complete and utter lack of shame, modesty and humility. At first it seems like a breath of fresh air compared to local girls, but damn does it get tiresome and annoying in no time. You could never brag about dating an American girl here. Your parents would be dismayed at best, and even your friends would at most give you the congratulatory “at least she’s putting out” slap on the back. But bringing her along to social events with locals? You’d have to be out of your fucking mind, unless you want to experience a lethal dose of awkwardness. It would probably be the first recorded case of someone dying from shame. And I don’t mean suicide, I mean dropping dead after a massive muscle spasm from cringing too much.

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  157. Obsidian

    Gunny,
    Could you please give an example or two of what you mean when you say “government enforced racism”? Thanks!

    O

    A Federal Job Application

    gunny wowed me with:

    “… wierd as fuck

    Individual racism bad
    government enforced racism good”

    so i’m obliged.

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  158. on July 15, 2009 at 8:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Back to column
    Problem with american chicks some don’t have grace and trying a little to hard to be men.

    Chick last year picked me up over her shoulder in firemans carry I wieghed at time 240 lol I had visions of being carried off to her room. No I do not have rape as a fantasy.

    When I was younger chick was like your gonna fuck me right when I told her to give me a blow job. I am like yea yea
    She gives me blow job. After standing by car she picks me up and puts me on hood.

    Not sure whats up with that where they trying to be sexy lol

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  159. Gunslinger-

    Men can start by not supplicating so much. I’ve said this before, but Mode One: Let Women Know What You’re Really Thinking should be required reading for all men; available over at http://www.modeone.net and after they read his book, they need to listen to David X, available for free over at http://charmingrogue.com/david-x-interview/

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  160. Assanova,

    This is true, but I think a lot of men are/were pretty handily forced to become bitches/pussies. Then these men serve as role models for future men, and those women serve as role models for future women.

    Not everyone can take a step back and realize that.

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  161. lurker

    chic, you dumb bitch, I’ll cuss her out and make her cry, just like you do every night into your lonely, cold pillow.

    you overly emotional 16 year old jizz bag, go take a valium,a glass of whiskey and shut up.

    *wraps arm around lurker’s shoulder*

    Real talk, until you learn to control your emotions, you will continue to have problems with women. You can read this blog until your mom comes home. Act like a bi polar blue balled buzzard, watch women snap their legs shut tighter than Fort Knox.

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  162. on July 15, 2009 at 8:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    No yes or no response from Osidian. I will take that as a yes.

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  163. Real talk, until you learn to control your emotions, you will continue to have problems with women.

    Disagree.

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  164. The most disturbing part of the article is the news that ‘dating’ now seems common in the UK. It used to be some silly Americanism that, like so many things from America, put men (or whites) at a disadvantage.

    When I left less than a decade ago courtship worked differently. First you met a girl at a pub or night club. You had sex that night or you met her another night at another pub – not a date, but a casual get together – and had sex that second night. If the two clicked THEN you started to go out together to Italian restaurants etc.

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  165. @spacemoose:

    Where do you live?

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  166. on July 15, 2009 at 8:22 pm Cliff Arroyo

    Evolution screws men and women in separate but equal ways. It leaves them both craving more than they’re ever liable to get from any single relationship. But just as the economic secret to living well and enjoying life is ‘live beneath your means’ (as gunslingergregi mentioned in the last thread) the secret to living well in a happy LTR is ‘prioritize and settle’, decide what’s more important in a partner and overlook or write-off the rest (while maintaining a three-digit IQ and not being ruled by your crotch).

    The problem with American women is they’re addicted to stupid media that feeds them stupid messages that only the stupidest people could possibly believe.

    Quick note to all female readers here: No, you’re not a special princess and no, you don’t deserve (and you’re not going to get) Prince Charming. You need to give up a bunch of your stupid fantasies and get with the real world. You can have: a) rewarding career b) happy LTR with a reasonably good man c) kids. Pick any two, all three are not in the cards and never will be.

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  167. Assanova

    I can’t even begin to count how many women have told me “I want a man that will put me in my place”, “I want a man to take charge”, and variations thereof. All I see in the seduction community and in various articles about men who got screwed are a bunch of men whining because they don’t have the balls to take control of the situations that they come across with women.

    LOL.

    Wait until she gets pissed off and uses the cops to put YOU in your place.

    Try arguing with a SWAT team.

    American men can’t take control, because the law doesn’t let them. Of course, that doesn’t stop all men, but they end up in jail just the same.

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  168. chic Real talk, until you learn to control your emotions, you will continue to have problems with women.

    mr. m Disagree

    please explain sir.

    jules First you met a girl at a pub or night club. You had sex that night or you met her another night at another pub – not a date, but a casual get together – and had sex that second night.

    how many woman would have three or fewer partners a dating culture like the one jules mentioned above.

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  169. cliff arroyo You need to give up a bunch of your stupid fantasies and get with the real world. You can have: a) rewarding career b) happy LTR with a reasonably good man c) kids. Pick any two, all three are not in the cards and never will be.

    Epic comment.

    Younger women are coming around to this way of thinking btw. It’s one of the reasons more women are saying they don’t want children.

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  170. on July 15, 2009 at 8:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Chic the partner count is an excuse given to american woman as to why they have no grace (to be nice). Really it doesn’t matter how many partners a woman has had if she retains her grace and essence. Caught up in the minute missing the big picture.

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  171. chic –

    While lurker may not portray an optimal level of emotional (cussing at everyone isn’t exactly appealing)…a man who is emotional is usually passionate about something. women respond to that.

    I guess; if you mean emotional regarding WOMEN, then yes, thats gay.

    Emotional regarding ANYTHING ELSE – will get them wet.

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  172. Anonymous 3:26

    [Have the grace to adopt a screen name, just for here if you like, will you? Thank you.]

    Women who play the field are “tacky american sluts” yet, Roissy, you frequently encourage men to sleep around on your blog. Please explain the difference?

    This should explain the difference to you over at alias clio’s blog. Btw, she believes in this double standard too, as what I quote from her indicates:

    http://aliasclio.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/has-the-definition-of-rape-changed/#comment-723

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  173. @Cliff Arroyo:

    “No, you’re not a special princess and no, you don’t deserve (and you’re not going to get) Prince Charming. You need to give up a bunch of your stupid fantasies and get with the real world. You can have: a) rewarding career b) happy LTR with a reasonably good man c) kids. Pick any two, all three are not in the cards and never will be.”

    You know, whenever I hear this speech, I usually assume it comes from someone who didn’t get all they wanted in life, and therefore assumes that no one else can. I don’t know why. I don’t.

    Again, maybe because I’m blessed, and have always gotten what I wanted. Not material things, no. But I don’t desire material things. I wanted to be accepted to the school I’m going to next month, and I got in with a full scholarship. I said I was going to be in the top of my graduating class before even starting high school, and I was.

    After being stalked by creepers my whole life I’ve finally gotten an amazing boyfriend.

    Maybe I’m lucky and blessed and I’m going to lose it all. I am certainly not entitled to anything. I know I’m thankful for it all.

    But I think if we remain optimistic, things will work out. Positivity works out. People wanting the best for themselves doesn’t mean that they’re spoiled. It means that they want the best. Now, of course, you have to be reasonable, and work for it, and never get too caught up in victory, because it will make you lazy.

    And I think that, with relationships more than anything, cheerful realism is probably better than irrational optimism.

    BUT…why ever be satisfied with just enough? In any part of your life?

    :/

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  174. I saw FOUR beautiful girls in one year living in England. Two of those were polish. having said that, English men are not qualified to give opinion on football, women and food.

    BTW, the Libertadores Cup is about to be decided

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  175. more women are saying they don’t want children

    let the gene pool purify itself from those harridans

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  176. on July 15, 2009 at 8:59 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “BUT…why ever be satisfied with just enough? In any part of your life?”

    I’m tempted to point out that it’s just this philosophy that brought the US the subprime mortgage crisis.

    Moving on, there’s only so many hours in a day. A career (as opposed to a job), a quality LTR (as opposed to some guy you live with) and reasonably happy kids (as opposed to …. typical US kids) all require major investments in time and energy. Factor in the need to sleep and hardly any human being can make all three work.

    The odd case here and there can, but that assuming you can too is like putting all your retirement money into the lottery, great if it works, but for most people a losing proposition.

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  177. I don’t agree that women have to choose two out of those three. Women who are mature and fair-minded can have all three (career, kids, good marriage).

    The problem is not hours in a day, but rather immaturity and narcissism of modern women.

    I know several women who have all three (albeit the marriage is the typical Beta Male/two income marriage). It works out through the use of daycare, nannies, grandparents, etc., but also because the woman has STOPPED BEING SELFISH.

    This is why feminists and other stupid women hate Sarah Palin so much. She not only succeeded in all three, but she hit home runs in all three. 4 kids (before the Downs kid), a marriage better than most, and a career that beats that of 99.99999% of feminists.

    How did she do it? Aside from the advantages of having her own family and relatives to help with child-raising, she was a MATURE woman, who put the big picture ahead of herself.

    She has shown it can be done. That is why feminists hate her.

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  178. Chicpea wrote :

    Younger women are coming around to this way of thinking btw. It’s one of the reasons more women are saying they don’t want children.

    Yeah, right. Women want children more than anything in the world. No matter what they say.

    See my earlier comment. Modern US women are not mature enough to reach all three goals, that is why they cannot get them. Mature, sensible women do manage to achieve all three.

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  179. on July 15, 2009 at 9:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””And I think that, with relationships more than anything, cheerful realism is probably better than irrational optimism.

    BUT…why ever be satisfied with just enough? In any part of your life?””””””””

    First you have to decide what is your criteria for what you want. Otherwise what are you looking for?

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””””’Cliff Arroyo
    “BUT…why ever be satisfied with just enough? In any part of your life?”

    I’m tempted to point out that it’s just this philosophy that brought the US the subprime mortgage crisis.

    Moving on, there’s only so many hours in a day. A career (as opposed to a job),

    a quality LTR (as opposed to some guy you live with) and

    reasonably happy kids (as opposed to …. typical US kids) all require major investments in time and energy. Factor in the need to sleep and hardly any human being can make all three work.

    The odd case here and there can, but that assuming you can too is like putting all your retirement money into the lottery, great if it works, but for most people a losing proposition.””””””””””””

    That is why if you take that in steps and work together to achieve it the quality ltr is automatic as anything else will fall out of the run. Get the money to live. Then the kids will be fine. Along with being able to create your own ‘carreer’ not something that you get fired from at 49.

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  180. I think Eastern European women are the hottest on the planet. A girlfriend once told how she did not learn how to be a truly feminine, sensual woman until she lived in Prague for a year. She was amazed at how beautiful, sensual, well dressed the woman are. My own observations over the years have only confirmed this. I just met one the other day who stands out among her American counterparts in ways that are amazing: beautiful, well dressed, feminine, classy.

    I think too many American women suffer from the tomboy-frontier mentality, the overly zealous remnants of Calvinism and Puritanisms, which really morphed into the moral purity of feminism, and an excessive, masculine style careerism in pursuit of material wealth. Not attractive qualities. Not all American women are like this of course, but too many seem to be, at least for my tastes.

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  181. Mandy! xD

    After being stalked by creepers my whole life I’ve finally gotten an amazing boyfriend.

    wow. stalked by mens for 3 whole years.

    shockingly intolerable

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  182. Mr. M While lurker may not portray an optimal level of emotional (cussing at everyone isn’t exactly appealing)…a man who is emotional is usually passionate about something. women respond to that.

    This is very true I like a man with intreats. I was thinking along the lines of going off on a woman because she doesn’t agree with you.

    Imagine if lurker was trying to chat up “linda” and she mentions that between Fall Out Boy and Beethoven, the former makes better music. Lurker’s pulse jumps and he loudly curses her out in Starbucks for a good 30 minutes until some men( most likely older) jump in to white knight her. He starts texting insults to her non stop for the next 24 hrs, fills up her email box, and voicemail with more insults. That will scare the hell out of any sane woman. The chicks standing around in Starbucks watching the whole thing unfold will be sure to warn their friends about him too.

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  183. Guns Really it doesn’t matter how many partners a woman has had if she retains her grace and essence. Caught up in the minute missing the big picture

    Carla Bruni being an example.

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  184. Women want children more than anything in the world

    men too.

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  185. Michael wanted children look where
    it got him

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  186. yeah, he was the most typical person on earth. anyone could live his life

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  187. on July 15, 2009 at 9:36 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    I agree with Tood that it can be done, but it takes a lot of maturity and energy on behalf of the parents (both of them) who do it.

    There’s a qoute:

    The best thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother.

    Now before everyone screams BETA, I put before you the assumption that every alpha male will cheat on his wife and she should just expect and accept that (and vice versa for the alpha female)……. really, with only so many hours in the day… where is the time?

    Oh we know that for those who really want to, the time will be made, but at what cost?

    People, men or women, should not bring kids into this world until they are ready to put their own personal desires on the back burner. Once you bring another human into this world, SACRIFICE is the name of the game from their on out.

    Consider what cheating on your spouse (either wife or husband) would do to the dynamics of your relationship with him/her and trickle down to the child.

    Personally I’m not ready for such a big commitment and sacrifice yet, and I’m not pretending. I suggest that until you are ready, you not pretend either.

    (you meaning people in general)

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  188. Tood This is why feminists and other stupid women hate Sarah Palin so much. She not only succeeded in all three, but she hit home runs in all three

    Tood, some people will call her a failure because her teenage daughter had a kid(with a deadbeat) and no husband.

    How did she do it? Aside from the advantages of having her own family and relatives to help with child-raising

    Extended family model rocks.

    Tood Women want children more than anything in the world. No matter what they say.

    Keep thinking that. If they did, most would try to have one as soon as their body was able too and far more than 2.2. Most don’t because they realize that children are a huge sacrifice for many reasons. If a woman messes up, she will ruin her life as well as the life of an innocent person.

    See my earlier comment. Modern US women are not mature enough to reach all three goals, that is why they cannot get them. Mature, sensible women do manage to achieve all three.

    Your earlier comment also included mention of the extended family model. A large number of American women don’t have that option. Having help with household chores, look after children, discipline children etc… helps greatly.

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  189. @Cliff Arroyo:

    “I’m tempted to point out that it’s just this philosophy that brought the US the subprime mortgage crisis.”

    I DO NOT support materialism. So, no. That’s just idiotic.

    I guess I’ve been raised with the mentality that you can lose your land, your home, your money, but never, ever an education. And especially never who you are.

    @Tood:

    “How did she do it? Aside from the advantages of having her own family and relatives to help with child-raising, she was a MATURE woman, who put the big picture ahead of herself.”

    Some would argue that having a pregnant teenage daughter is a sign of failed parenting.

    Just fyi.

    Although she is doing better than most. Like I’ve stated before, Sarah Palin seems like she’d be a very interesting individual to get along with.

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  190. @chicnoir:

    I agree with the extended family model; it’s one of the best there is, not to mention the togetherness it fosters. America needs it. We need to be more family oriented.

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  191. If they did, most would try to have one as soon as their body was able too and far more than 2.2.

    Not true. Women are far more desperate to marry then men, and far more inclined to play with kids, attend baby showers thrown by women for women, etc.

    There are sperm banks that women go to in order to have kids. Single men are far less likely to go to an egg donor + surrogate mother to have a kid and be a single dad.

    Women simply cannot compete in the workplace against men, without massive support of Affirmative Action, anti-male bias, etc. Yet, their pursuit of this leaves them childless and empty after age 35, as well as in a mediocre career paying $50K that would be considered ‘loserish’ by male standards.

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  192. Mandy! xD

    I agree with the extended family model; it’s one of the best there is, not to mention the togetherness it fosters. America needs it. We need to be more family oriented.

    yeah, but you’re mexican. you all believe in big families. it’s not for everybody. Most can’t get aid to support all those kids

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  193. tood as well as in a mediocre career paying $50K that would be considered ‘loserish’ by male standards.

    okay, there are many American male losers then. As long as they are happy, who are we to judge.

    it’s loserish to overly concern yourself about what other people think of you.

    tood you have been reading this blog for how long now??? yet you have learned nothing from this blog. your brain has a block when it comes to game. men who have game don’t have to make 200k to be winners in life.

    btw, did you read roissy’s post from a few weeks ago??? he said project confidence even when you say or do something stupid. Women like confidence. 50k isn’t bad money and even in NYC & LA some men manage to enjoy life on 50k.

    real talk: if you are going to blow money, spend it on something you enjoy not a 100k car to impress empty people.

    materialism is evil!

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  194. Tood Single men are far less likely to go to an egg donor + surrogate mother to have a kid and be a single dad.

    You’re right but some adopt and others have dogs.

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  195. Chicpea,

    tood you have been reading this blog for how long now??? yet you have learned nothing from this blog. your brain has a block when it comes to game.

    Yeah, right. Don’t project your own shame and learning disabilities onto others.

    My point is (which you lack the IQ to grasp) is that women lie to their biological natures, and put their ‘career’ over their need for kids. This is biological, and outside of the SWPL simulated fiction, is what any older woman in the world will tell you.

    Yet, most of these ‘career women’ are not successes in their career anyway.

    You changed the subject to an entirely different and irrelevent matter. Translation : you have been exposed as being wrong and are ashamed.

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  196. Um, maybe people make fun of Sarah Palin because she can’t string a sensical phrase together (see: every interview she’s featured in). Also, as chic noir pointed out, her teenage daughter had a child out of wedlock while her mother espouses supposedly heteronormative, nuclear family values. I’m sorry, she has a diploma from a community college?

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  197. Mandy: I was woken up the other morning, by being handed a complete stranger’s baby.

    I held it.

    Well, this is the way to wake up.

    A person with clear thinking and understanding of their own feelings: I think the only rational thing is to put everything aside if it’s an option.

    A satisfying career can go to hell if it keeps me from attending to loving, nurturing and developing this human being. 100%. Noone else. Mine.

    That is the way it should be. That is the way it really works. It’s also for the sake of yourself. They can deal to a great extent; they can form relationships with whomever.

    While you miss out and they don’t care about you, because you weren’t there. Someone else was.

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  198. how many single men “adopt”?

    3?

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  199. Chicpea,

    And since you have been evading my simple test to determine whether your pea-brain has learned anything about Game, I pose the challenge again :

    Chic Noir : Please define what ‘Game’ is, and why proficiency in Game enables a man to bed women in a short time (hours), at greater success rates than men of higher wealth or physical appearance, without having to spend any money on the woman prior to sleeping with her.

    Let’s see if you have comprehended what Game is. In the past you dodged this challenge.

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  200. Game in BK related:

    Leah McLaren, a 26-year-old Canadian, has written a piece for The Spectator complaining about how pathetic English men are. The poor girl has been living in London for several months and no one has made a pass at her. Now, I know what you’re thinking. Perhaps she’s not that pretty. Well, you’re wrong. I’ve met Leah McLaren and she’s an absolute knockout.

    Indeed, I was so bowled over that when she told me about her difficulties with men it was me who suggested she write an article about it. That such a goddess can move through London society without being deluged with requests for dates is a terrible indictment of the English male. In Manhattan she’d be snapped up in a New York minute.

    um…
    it’s because she’s a Ball-Busting Bitch.

    They worship that type
    in NYC

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  201. @Doug

    The double standard exists in my mind because we’re different. Why should we expect things to be the same for both sexes? IMHO women should be feminine, graceful and loving this does not fit with the image of ball breaker, bed bouncer and cow. It’s so screwed up today – topsy turvy – we showcase this idea that strong women get what they want. This is a bald faced lie. Oh sure they might get one or two things but they’ll sacrifice their hearts desires to get it.

    Today in a meeting I watched from a distance my behaviour (the wonders of Roissy on my life). This is a group I don’t interact with often – they are outside my work place but work related. I had a very good point and wanted to convince the group my idea was good without looking like I was strong arming them. I was consciously aware of the image I was giving off – was it strident bitch or confidently convincing I thought to myself. The group was made up of women and men and I watched to see if the men were pulling back from me. They seemed to find me amusing in a good way which I was thankful for. They liked my chutzpah it seemed. In the end as in life I defer to the leader (I wasn’t). I knew that whatever decision they made I was prepared to accept and I was happy I’d been given the opportunity to voice my opinion. I honestly don’t know what the decision was – we moved on.

    I think more women need to be aware of the impressions they’re giving. There is a double standard in life, the boardroom AND the bedroom. Women need to get over it.

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  202. S,

    maybe people make fun of Sarah Palin because she can’t string a sensical phrase together

    I think you are referring to Biden. Or Obama without a teleprompter.

    I’m sorry, she has a diploma from a community college?

    Projection. Her education surpasses yours, and you know it.

    I thought we established that you are not qualified to discuss the subjects of politics and economics. Yet, why do you attempt to do so? You are merely a college student in a BS major who is a 5 in looks and writes about your anal sex experiences. That is the extent of your intellectual depth and market value.

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  203. aoefe

    women are totally un-self aware and spend most of their conscious time frantically suppressing the truth, about their age, weight, attractiveness, true sexual interest, actual regard for their friends, physics, reality, math, biology, men…

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  204. @Firepower:

    I am NOT Mexican.

    @Bhetti:

    Children are amazing. I understand. I love children. I’ve worked with them, and all my volunteer projects involve young children. (five and under).

    But I do have a commitment to someone else that I need to fulfill. I made a promise to God a year ago that if he helped me, I’d do whatever I could in my power to find a cure to a certain medical condition, and that’s a promise you don’t break.

    I might have to make sacrifices for it. Correction, I WILL have to make sacrifices for it.

    I just like to think that, at the end, it will always work out.

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  205. S.

    Um, maybe people make fun of Sarah Palin because she can’t string a sensical phrase together …I’m sorry, she has a diploma from a community college?

    hey, not every gal can be a sikh with 3 grad degrees in radiology. Palin tried. why can’t women applaud another woman succeeding to be The First Female Woman Governor of Alaska?

    sheesh

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  206. tood Yeah, right. Don’t project your own shame and learning disabilities onto others.

    I see I’m not the only dense person around these parts. Look at that again tood and it will all become clear.

    You changed the subject to an entirely different and irrelevent matter

    I guess you can’t admit that I had a few points huh???
    Your male ego is that big huh???
    No I didn’t, you covered more than one topic and you failed to comment on the palin falin comment mandy and I posted.

    My point is (which you lack the IQ to grasp) is that women lie to their biological natures, and put their ‘career’ over their need for kids
    sure some women do but there are others who are indifferent to children. Some are carreer women btw.

    My point is (which you lack the IQ to grasp) is that women lie to their biological natures, and put their ‘career’ over their need for kids. This is biological
    okay
    read this


    if your point was 100% true most would try to have one as soon as their body was able too and far more than 2.2. Most don’t because they realize that children are a huge sacrifice for many reasons

    @S- it didn’t help that she drew a complete blank on some questions.

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  207. Mandy! xD

    @Firepower:

    I am NOT Mexican.

    meh, everybody says that.

    why do you hate mexicans???

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  208. @Tood:

    It’s remarkable that the amount of footage of Palin being inarticulate trumps the footage of Obama or Biden being inarticulate. And don’t blame this on the purported liberal media, because if Fox had the footage of Obama stumbling over words they’d air it.

    What constitutes a BS major? Philosophy? At least it doesn’t enable me to operate under total self-delusion.

    Why are you being so unnecessarily acerbic? It’s fine if you disagree with me; it’s another thing altogether to launch a personal attack. If you really had a substantial argument against what I said that would have remained the focus of your comment, but instead you opted to extend it to some cursory details you read about me on a public blog.

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  209. tood @ 9:45 as well as in a mediocre career paying $50K that would be considered ‘loserish’ by male standards.

    tood @ 10:03 and why proficiency in Game enables a man to bed women in a short time (hours), at greater success rates than men of higher wealth or physical appearance, without having to spend any money on the woman prior to sleeping with her

    This will be a case of the blind leading the blind. Look at your two comments and explain how they repel or cancel each other out.

    btw, tood I know your trolling for attention. I’m bored so I will give it to you.

    @dana- not many but it does happen. I gave him a point in my comment.

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  210. Chicpea,

    You are dodging the challenge for the umpteenth time, flimsily trying to erect the weakest of strawmen to hide behind.

    The challenge again :

    Chic Noir : Please define what ‘Game’ is, and why proficiency in Game enables a man to bed women in a short time (hours), at greater success rates than men of higher wealth or physical appearance, without having to spend any money on the woman prior to sleeping with her.

    YOU have been challenged to define Game. I know that you can’t, and you do too, which is why you hide.

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  211. This is so funny.

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  212. btw, tood I know your trolling for attention. I’m bored so I will give it to you.

    Don’t flatter yourself. You have never been of interest to me, except as a guinea pig to prove that women are absolutely incapable of learning many subjects, including why Game works on women.

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  213. on July 15, 2009 at 10:21 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    I’m not a high powered career woman or un-feminine in the least, and I am indifferent to children. I mean, I have nothing against them. I like them and can spend a certain amount of time with them. But I much prefer adult association and never go out of my way to be with kids or babies. Never been to a baby shower either.

    However, if at all I ever do decide to have one (unlikely), I will sacrifice just as much as my parents have to raise me. It’s only right to do so. And I am very dismayed at the unresponsible parenting going on these days. What to speak of single parent families, even the traditional nuclear family model is full of pressure and time constraints. I’ve seen extended family models work and I agree – they are the best for raising kids, though often high in drama.

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  214. S,

    but instead you opted to extend it to some cursory details you read about me on a public blog.

    I reserve the right to put you in your place.

    Plus, Fox News has both Right and Left-wing news. If you don’t know this, this further proves you have no business talking about politics.

    Biden is a legendary gaffe machine, and Obama is extremely poor without a teleprompter. These are well-known facts.

    At least Palin went in for hostile interviews. Obama does not have the guts to do that.

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  215. @Dana & aoefe


    jules wrote: First you met a girl at a pub or night club. You had sex that night or you met her another night at another pub – not a date, but a casual get together – and had sex that second night.

    assonova wrote: Three dates before sex? Are you kidding me? Stop being a pussy and learn to put your goddamn foot down.

    How can men want this^^^ and at the same time want a quality girl? If a woman is sleeping with random men after a few dates, how many partners will she have amassed over a lifetime?

    As a number of the male commenters have mentioned, once a woman hits a certain number, she loses her appeal.
    So what are women to do? I think, men can’t have it both ways.

    @S- he can’t counter your points so went with weak attacks.

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  216. tood At least Palin went in for hostile interviews. Obama does not have the guts to do that.

    Did you see the interview he did with Bill O’Riely(tp)?

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  217. @Tood:

    Fox has left and right wing news? By whose standards? The Democratic Party in the States is probably equivalent to centrist, or just right-of-centre in Canada.

    Obama may be “poor” without a teleprompter, but the point is, that relative to Palin he’s a great rhetorician. Palin’s interview with Katie fuckin’ Couric is a hostile interview? Hahahaha.

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  218. @Dana – “women are totally un-self aware and spend most of their conscious time frantically suppressing the truth, about their age, weight, attractiveness, true sexual interest, actual regard for their friends, physics, reality, math, biology, men…”

    I agree with what you said and would count myself in there too. I don’t want to come off as some chick who’s arrived. The best part of me is my willingness to learn and be open to new ideas. I was already very aware of what I needed from a man (leadership) but I knew very little of what men wanted from women or even how they viewed them. In addition to that there were subjects being discussed that I’d never even heard about (HBD, Hypergamy etc). I admit my critical thinking skills are weak and I’m coming to terms with fact I’m not the brightest bulb in this environment. When you shine where you are you become sure you’ll shine everywhere. Not the case. That’s been a very good revelation. Does it stop me from wanting to learn? Heavens no. Do I bring something to the table here? I believe so or I wouldn’t comment. Self awareness is critical for everyone – I want to champion that cause for women. We’re as a group too blissfully unaware and then the WALL HITS ya smack dab in the kisser. Game over for women. I talk about his stuff in real life as well as here and I it’s not a hard sell. (I’m pretty charismatic – so that helps!).

    Oh and Dana I just want to say you’re impressive.

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  219. Mandy! xD

    @chicnoir:

    I agree with the extended family model; it’s one of the best there is, not to mention the togetherness it fosters. America needs it. We need to be more family oriented.

    It’s good for women here, like it was good for Sarah Palin.

    I still don’t understand why conservative guys like Palin, even though she improperly (and probably illegally) interfered as governor in her sister’s custody case.

    Palin is a trashy, modern white woman. She is simply a smarter, more circumspect version of Lady Rain.

    If we hand the reins over to the likes of her, it won’t make things better at all.

    Barbaric, tribal Africa (as opposed to the regions ruled by kings), was controlled by this female “extended family model.” It was only the model of patriarchy and kingship that allowed the black Bantus to expand and dominate sub-Saharan Africa.

    You know how so many slaves ended up here in the Americas? It’s because these were men and women who were conquered by patriarchal African kingdoms, and had no means to defend themselves. The same is happening to men and their children here in America.

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  220. S.

    Obama may be “poor” without a teleprompter, but the point is, that relative to Palin he’s a great rhetorician.

    when you just said palin is a JC bimbo, that’s not much of a relative comparison

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  221. chic assanova is a PUA and just wants to bang good looking women in numbers

    if im not mistaken

    men want to fuck bad girls and marry good ones, there used to be a VERY sharp delineation between the two

    the sexual revolution ramped up the sexual arms race so that even good girls had to fuck and suck and that threw the whole thing out of whack, no one knows what to do

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  222. @Firepower:

    Yeah, exactly. She completely distorts the spectrum with her stupidity. I’m not defending Obama, just making relative comparisons.

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  223. aoefe, is there a relationship between sub women and understanding men in your estimation?

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  224. on July 15, 2009 at 10:35 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Welmer, the extended family model is practiced all over the world, including patriarchal cultures like those found in South Asia. It’s not a matriarchy thing. It places alot of responsibility on the men however, who are responsible for their elderly parents and younger siblings, which is why many modern westernized men are not into it.

    Travel.

    Its good for you.

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  225. aoefe–

    Stop being so lovely.

    You’re ruining other girls for me.

    Except well two. Well maybe a few others. A few.

    Not entirely but you are quite lovely aoefe.

    Messages at yours.

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  226. S.

    @Firepower:

    Yeah, exactly. She completely distorts the spectrum with her stupidity. I’m not defending Obama, just making relative comparisons.

    so, you think obama is a better speaker than Bill Clinton. if bill was before your time, no big

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  227. aoefe, ty

    remember, i’m old–i didn’t get this way overnight

    the key to honest self reflection is to recognize the truth no matter how bad it makes you and yours look to yourself, in fact, start there–then turn it on the rest of the world

    read camille paglia’s sexual personae, read ayn rand, christina hoff sommers and the marquis de sade’s “justine”

    study ev bio and hbd

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  228. on July 15, 2009 at 10:42 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Chic, don’t ask “game” to make sense. It was afterall, created by desperate betas, alpha wannabes.

    Men want to bed hot, promiscuous alpha10 females but wed good, trustworthy, domesticated higher beta 8s.

    Women want the same but in the reverse.

    In the end it works out because, since most people, both men and women, are betas, they end up with each other anyway.

    So we go full circle and end up where we would’ve started out had we not gotten game. But in between we get to sleep with more people than we otherwise would have and risked getting more STDs.

    That’s it in a nutshell.

    Nothing more.
    Nothing less.

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  229. Mandy:

    But I do have a commitment to someone else that I need to fulfill. I made a promise to God a year ago that if he helped me, I’d do whatever I could in my power to find a cure to a certain medical condition, and that’s a promise you don’t break.

    I might have to make sacrifices for it. Correction, I WILL have to make sacrifices for it.

    I just like to think that, at the end, it will always work out.

    Looking after a child and family is fulfilling a commitment to God. The highest, as is clear in most scripture, as in Virgin Mary’s example.

    By all means try and fulfil this. Definitely not on your own i.e. encouraging research and monitoring developments by others. But it should be clear to you who must come first. This is the work of a lifetime, and youth lasts a moment with children.

    Some basic, important duties encapsulated in religion are more important than ambitious oaths in religion’s name.

    chic:

    So what are women to do? I think, men can’t have it both ways.

    –If you want sex, have sex and without hesitation. Advertise so there’s no confusion.
    –If you want an LTR, do not have sex to be on the safe side. Nurture the parts of yourself that want to make your significant other’s home life heaven in every way. Research. Then it gets very shady and confusing from that starting point. Men have no clue what they want. Well, it’s not standardised beyond looks. Each one has a different idea. You may get lucky.

    Dan:

    even good girls had to fuck and suck and that threw the whole thing out of whack, no one knows what to do

    You have succinctly summarised what I spent — at the very least — a paragraph trying to express a time or two.

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  230. @dana – “aoefe, is there a relationship between sub women and understanding men in your estimation?”

    I don’t believe submissive women are any more understanding of men then the ordinary (unaware) woman, but they are WAY more likely to comply with direction rather than dissect it.

    I think many more women than who would care to admit are submissive women. I came to that understanding of myself in the last two years – this caused me to self reflect in addition to researching relationships which had an openly D/s dynamic. I am not comfortable in a kinky group dynamic – they’re outliers a lot of the times and I’d pass for a Sunday School teacher. I came to believe that submissiveness is an inherent trait and its there for most women. It’s just women need a dominant man to bring this out. Hence Roissy’s game – his theories and his practice are proven because of this innate trait in women. Are there exceptions? Aren’t there always?

    I can trace my first submissive experience to around the age of five – it was sexual in nature but was not in any way perverted. Just two slightly older boys who told me to lie under a blanket and take my pants off – I did. They got called in for lunch and I waited for what seemed like an eternity – I left very disappointed. I chased that feeling for years. I believe many boys and girls play doctor – but for me looking back it was my response – my immediate willingness to do what I was told.

    That said I respond to thoughtful authority – not foolish attempts (Keith).

    Dana is your husband more dominant than you are? I think its all matters of degree. A strong woman simply would require a stronger man.

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  231. Going back to Gunslinger’s theory of killing your wife as a pre-divorce defense, that is what Chadwick Beatty joked about upon his first press briefing after being released from his 14-year alimony-contempt jailing:

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/lawyer_freed_after_spending_14_years_in_jail_on_contempt_charge/

    H. Beatty Chadwick, a 73-year-old former corporate lawyer, told the Associated Press he couldn’t pay the money. “If I had been convicted of murder in the third degree in Pennsylvania, I would have been out in half the time I was in jail,” he said.

    So I guess there is some truth to that.

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  232. on July 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “Looking after a child and family is fulfilling a commitment to God. The highest, as is clear in most scripture, as in Virgin Mary’s example. “”

    Please. Most scripture in the world is NOT of the Islamo-Christian model.

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  233. @mandy:

    Turkey.

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  234. guess all the activists were too busy
    freeing Mumia
    and Gitmos

    to help Chadwick

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  235. @dana

    Thanks for the suggestions – I’ve been following links you’ve mentioned earlier.

    I did answer your earlier question re sub women and understanding it’s in moderation for some reason (grammar??). 🙂

    @doug

    Back atcha big guy! 🙂

    @chic

    There are BIG differences between pump and dump desires and ltr’s. They can spot quality girls and will treat them accordingly. Read How to Identify a Slut for pointers.

    @Tood

    Whoot! I passed.

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  236. on July 15, 2009 at 10:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    @Aoefe,
    Pretty amazing really hearing a woman talking about what she is bringing to the table. Actually thinking about life not just as in what she is entitled too but what her man is entitled to as well.

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  237. What a lot of American and British men don’t realize is that while they’re so busy worshipping these foreign women, the whole reason the foreign women are awesome is because the men in their countries have standards on how they expect them to act and not act. The British fucked it up for everyone and got the ball rolling for widespread betaization with the invention of chivalry and white men of Anglo descent have been progressively getting worse at white knighting every decade since, paving the way for today’s totally betaized American man.

    If you immersed even an awesome foreign woman in an environment full of American men she’d slowly change. I’ve seen quite a few betas marry foreign women and bring them back here only to have them slowly morph into American women with accents. Then they wonder what happened. If a man ain’t willing to kill the beta inside him, every woman he deals with in time will turn into a ballbusting American chick in time.

    (I knew one beta who bucked this trend, but he did it by keeping his foreign woman totally isolated from American life by keeping her friendless, socialy isolated and home all day.)

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  238. on July 15, 2009 at 11:02 pm russell rodriguez

    “None of the other ladies will admit it, so I will. I’m proud to be a White Woman and I definitely get better treatment than ladies of color do. You’re automatically trusted wherever you go and treated like a “lady” while women of color are not necessarily treated the same.”

    fro the way it sound it looks you dont know many black, asian, spansh, etc… people. you assume things for people by there skin and id dont like that at all.

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  239. “the sexual revolution ramped up the sexual arms race so that even good girls had to fuck and suck and that threw the whole thing out of whack, no one knows what to do”

    @dana —

    Indeed. It upped the ante, and now many women are deploying sex as a means to compete (and yes, LR, women *do* compete for the most desirable men — that’s where makeup and sexy clothing come into play). And ruining their credibility to future potential husbands by racking up a long sexual rap sheet.

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  240. @Bhetti:

    That is true. I just want to end a family member’s suffering. So it’s really hard.

    Fantastic advice to aoefe, btw. You’re brilliant.

    “If you want an LTR, do not have sex to be on the safe side. Nurture the parts of yourself that want to make your significant other’s home life heaven in every way.”
    THE WAY TO A MAN’S HEART IS THROUGH HIS STOMACH.
    ;]

    “Research. Then it gets very shady and confusing from that starting point. Men have no clue what they want. Well, it’s not standardised beyond looks. Each one has a different idea. You may get lucky.”
    true.

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  241. killing your wife as a pre-divorce defense

    In Norway 81 women have been killed for this since 2000:

    Feminists frame it as “men can’t handle divorce.”

    How many have to die before they understand feminist divorce law is a big part of the problem?

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  242. on July 15, 2009 at 11:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Puma yea originally I would have thought woman have free will to get a divorce just don’t expect to work it out through a divorce court and waste money on lawyers and try to fuck up my life. That raises the bar. I could see a divorce like what I had I mean she left no big deal (except it did hurt) I kept her shit for her didn’t destroy it. She asked nicely to come get it. I let her. I am talking two people behaving reasonably. Of course things might not work out. The two people who are breaking up better handle that shit between the two though. You start using the state as a weapon. Doing things like changing the locks. False accusations. Making it hard to see kids. Demanding a monthly paycheck. Things like that are unacceptable and should be talked about before you get married. Any of your lines that you will not allow to be crossed should be talked about before marriage so she has the opportunity not to enter into the agreement.

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  243. I’m inexperienced since I’ve only been on the market for 6 months now.

    I’ve noticed that almost 80% of women who care about their appearance are receptive to giving out their phone numbers with unsophisticated but confident day game and that most of them with put out after one or two expensive $300+ dates (not counting hotel). Women in their 30’s or in an LTR are especially quick to put out.

    If I’m traveling within the US, I usually have her suggest a place since I don’t knpw the area- I avoid dinner but will do dinner if it involves wine/lounge drinking too. They always suggest very expensive places when I let her pick the place. But when I do let her pick, I get action about 90% of the time and have a genuinely fun time not counting the sex. If I pick the place, usually the date goes shitty anyway so I’m okay with this.

    Most women I do this too cum multiple times – many of their orgasms coming from plain fucking alone – which they claim only happens very rarely to them. I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing sure they have as much fun as me (and probably more) from the boinking – they aren’t going through the motions like a hooker.

    I think all this proves is that most American chicks have a pre-formed fantasy about going out on a nice date in an expensive place with a psychologically mature, good looking, high-status guy, with a lot of money to blow. This is what gets their rocks off and makes them want to cum. If you don’t have it all you’re a second-rate man because decent looking women can always get a guy like me for a couple of fun fucks. They aren’t afraid to ask for what they want from me to have fun. In turn – I’m not afraid to make sure they can see in my eyes that I don’t want to be “friends”. My typical relationship now lasts for about 3 or 4 fucks.

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  244. on July 15, 2009 at 11:11 pm not too late

    Reading a Roissy post always takes me back to my teen years when my mother used to say the exact same things. If she were dead I would say Roissy were channeling my mom. It is like they share the same brain.

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  245. yes lr, i’m clearly “uneducated”

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  246. on July 15, 2009 at 11:16 pm Willard Libby

    dana – aoefe

    women are totally un-self aware and spend most of their conscious time frantically suppressing the truth, about their age, weight, attractiveness, true sexual interest, actual regard for their friends, physics, reality, math, biology, men…

    It’s definitely a basic mental trait of women. Dishonest, self deceptive…

    But it evolved so it has to have fitness value in evolutionary terms.

    I think in part it is because the females throughout history have needed and valued social cohesion and cooperation over the search for truth.

    Men on the other hand evolved having to “hit the target” and understand the world “out there” or else the tribal group will suffer and perish at a greater rate. You must match your theories to that amoral, unconcerned world.

    Women on the other hand were more in need of appreciating the feeling of others. And if there is anything that is going to upset most women’s feelings it is the search for truth.

    They want the benefits of the masculine search for truth, all the protection, material benefits etc. But they just don’t want to think about it for the most part.

    Some women do, but these are generally oddballs and fringe chics.

    The male versus female mentality can be summed up by comparing the mentality behind astronomy versus astrology. One tries to understand the world “out there” the other is a projection of human relationships and social fantasies onto the phenomenal world.

    So when guys Game women they need to get out of a masculine mentality and play to that idiot zone in the female brain where astrology makes sense to them. Don’t try to be reasonable.

    But then everybody knows that I guess.

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  247. Arpagus

    killing your wife as a pre-divorce defense

    In Norway 81 women have been killed for this since 2000:

    once again, norway clearly fails when compared to other countries

    except cross-country skiing

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  248. on July 15, 2009 at 11:28 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “”I think all this proves is that most American chicks have a pre-formed fantasy about going out on a nice date in an expensive place with a psychologically mature, good looking, high-status guy, with a lot of money to blow.””…….

    VERY TRUE. There is that corny pre-formed fantasy still lurking in the sub-conscious. It’s culturally programmed.

    Willard. Astrology is based on astronomy and men invented it and “astrologer” is a male profession in the part of the world where it was invented.

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  249. S,

    Fox has left and right wing news? By whose standards?

    By the standards of people qualified to discuss the subject. Left-wing commentators on Fox include Alan Colmes, Greta, Juan Williams, etc.

    Only Hannity is hard Right. Glenn Beck is libertarian, Neil Cavuto is only a fiscal conservative, and Bill O’Reilly is center-Right but not hard right.

    But then again, you are not capable of grasping political science.

    Canada’s leftism only exists because of the direct and indirect support it draws from America (socialized medicine that uses US scientific advances, a tiny military due to America picking up the slack, being able to run their whole economy totally off of exporting to the US (as the US consumes 70% of Canada’s exports), etc.

    So Canada is certainly not a benchmark that the centre of gravity has to be defined by. Canadian leftism is a luxury that could not exist without US capitalism, and people like you are side-effects of that.

    Yeah, exactly. She completely distorts the spectrum with her stupidity.

    But her education exceeds yours, as you know. Plus, Republicans have higher IQs than Democrats (and higher incomes too).

    Again, this subject is beyond you.

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  250. How many have to die before they understand feminist divorce law is a big part of the problem?

    For better or for worse, Islam is going to increase in the West. Nature always fills a vacuum, and what fills the vacuum can be far from perfect too.

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  251. Did you see the interview he did with Bill O’Riely(tp)?

    Yes, and that was not a hostile interview at all. There were no ‘rigged’ questions the way Couric and Gibson had.

    The hatred for Sarah Palin from women of mediocre mettle and intellect (aka feminists) is because she actually got it all (family, career, good marriage, and won a beauty contest). Most feminists never manage any of those 4 things.

    Roissy says it is a disaster when women are allowed to vote. I won’t go that far – I think married women vote just fine. It is single women who lack the intellect and maturity to participate in Democracy.

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  252. @ Mandy! xD

    THE WAY TO A MAN’S HEART IS THROUGH HIS STOMACH.

    Hehehe…

    True story! Nobody should underestimate this.

    TK: LILGRL’s Cookbook to get your man to marry you…

    😉

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  253. on July 15, 2009 at 11:38 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “””How many have to die before they understand feminist divorce law is a big part of the problem?……………….

    For better or for worse, Islam is going to increase in the West. Nature always fills a vacuum, and what fills the vacuum can be far from perfect too……………………….”””

    ……………………………………….Islamic divorce laws are skewed the other way. Hopefully we will achieve a BALANCE with true EQUAL rights, not skewed priveleges based on whether we have testicles or ovaries.

    Islamic is increasing due to child birth, not adult conversions. How many of those kids will choose to be practicing Muslims as adults is anybody’s guess.

    When it comes to adults making religious choices — they seem to be opting for Buddhism.

    Now, with Buddhism I can see us reaching a balance….

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  254. Tood predicted:

    For better or for worse, Islam is going to increase in the West.

    I don’t think so. Americans don’t even attend christian churches anymore for an hour on Sunday.

    Americans would rebel against a religion that made them miss Sunday football to kneel on a rug and howl from a minaret.

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  255. @Tood:

    Even if there are purported left-wing commentators that exist on Fox News, that doesn’t change the orientation of the station as a whole. If the station, not those isolated individuals, had an opportunity to freely air footage of Obama botching interviews and being generally inarticulate, they would. Just because you can spout off the political leanings of analysts, and state conjecture like it’s fact, it doesn’t mean you grasp political science. I’m not denying that you do; it’s just not substantiation enough that you do.

    Also, the causal relation of rampant Canadian leftism is immaterial to my point: that in the grander scheme of things, leftism in the States is still considered centrist in Canada. Even if leftist economies are supported by proximal capitalist countries, it doesn’t alter the political spectrum.

    You’re making gross generalizations. Who said that I was a Democrat? I don’t even identify with partisan politics. I was jibing at Palin’s ability as a rhetorician, not with Republican politics.

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  256. MRS LILGRL

    True story! Nobody should underestimate this.

    TK: LILGRL’s Cookbook to get your man to marry you…

    you’re married? damn – your book really works

    i knew youd get
    your MRS

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  257. @ Firepower

    Ok, you’re right

    I’ll change the title
    to
    How to get him to
    Propose

    Like this, except
    better.

    SWEET.

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  258. @whiskey:

    I never said I hated Sarah Palin. I don’t give a fuck about Sarah Palin, Obama, Biden, or McCain. I made a jibe at her ability to hold her own as a rhetorician and public speaker. The same way I think Obama’s “nice guy” approach is comical, and the same way I think partisan politics and engineered public image is a joke.

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  259. on July 15, 2009 at 11:47 pm Willard Libby

    A Perfect 10 – FPUA – Willard. Astrology is based on astronomy and men invented it and “astrologer”

    Men invented just about everything. And astronomy has some historical origins in astrology nonsense but once you start bumping into the real world you start realizing that astrology is not an explanation of the world around us.

    Belief in astrology is pre-modern and low class.

    …is a male profession in the part of the world where it was invented.

    Probably mostly gay guys. Gay astrologers and a bunch of dopey women.

    Mandy! xD

    THE WAY TO A MAN’S HEART IS THROUGH HIS STOMACH.

    Aim lower.

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  260. on July 15, 2009 at 11:49 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    OK so Palin is considered a feminine alpha woman and her husband is a tough higher beta/lower alpha guy?

    She’s attractive for her age, no doubt. But wouldn’t the hunting and high powered career cancel out “feminine”???

    And her husband may be an outdoorsman but wouldn’t his playing second fiddle to his wife’s high powered career make him beta?

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  261. on July 15, 2009 at 11:51 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Nope Libby, “astrologer” is a respected and often times very high paying career amongst married patriarchs in South Asia, and has been for centuries. It’s often passed down from patriarch to patriarch.

    I’m not for or against it, just stating the facts here to clarify your misconceptions.

    That’s why I always say travel is a better teacher than books.

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  262. on July 16, 2009 at 12:00 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on July 15, 2009 at 11:49 pm A Perfect 10 – FPUA
    OK so Palin is considered a feminine alpha woman and her husband is a tough higher beta/lower alpha guy?

    She’s attractive for her age, no doubt. But wouldn’t the hunting and high powered career cancel out “feminine”???

    And her husband may be an outdoorsman but wouldn’t his playing second fiddle to his wife’s high powered career make him beta?”””””””

    Yea he would have to be allowed a 2nd wife to take care of housely duties to be alpha.

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  263. on July 16, 2009 at 12:03 am Gunslingergregi

    I imagine it would be a boost to fuck the shit out of palin when she comes home from work. Like grabbing her ass at the door going caveman.

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  264. LILGRL

    @ Firepower

    Ok, you’re right

    I’ll change the title
    to
    How to get him to
    Propose

    Like this, except
    better.

    SWEET.

    sorry, Glamor Magazine is bad for my testicles – even over the netz.

    be sure to include a chapter on “How To Protect Your Author’s Royalties with a Pre-Nup!”

    and you’ll finally be complete

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  265. i stopped takin woman seriously when i realize some of them would do anything to stay in their social circles’ good graces. (i know some people in general do this too but i’m gonna stay on topic)

    i remember seeing a quote on another website that said something like “when you date a girl, you also date her friends”. i thought that quote was a crock of sh!t until experienced it first had.

    as soon as i stopped being in one of the girls good graces
    the rest of her crew decided i did’nt exist anymore, one even told me she could’nt talk to me anymore or her friend would get mad at her.

    things like honesty, respect and integrity go out the window when a chick’s in fear of losing her spot in a social circle.

    here’s how i try to see things now :
    don’t take ’em seriously & have as much fun as you can with chicks because it could end in a second and for any small reason.

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  266. But wouldn’t the hunting and high powered career cancel out “feminine”???

    Actually, no. She is able to pull it off. That is why they are jealous of her.

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  267. @dana – “aoefe, is there a relationship between sub women and understanding men in your estimation?”

    I don’t believe submissive women are any more understanding of men then the ordinary (unaware) woman, but they are WAY more likely to comply with direction rather than dissect it.

    I think many more women than who would care to admit are submissive women. I came to that understanding of myself in the last two years – this caused me to self reflect in addition to researching relationships which had an openly D/s dynamic. I am not comfortable in a kinky group dynamic – they’re outliers a lot of the times and I’d pass for a Sunday School teacher. I came to believe that submissiveness is an inherent trait and its there for most women. It’s just women need a dominant man to bring this out. Hence Roissy’s game – his theories and his practice are proven because of this innate trait in women. Are there exceptions? Aren’t there always?

    I can trace my first submissive experience to around the age of five – it was sexual in nature but was not in any way perverted. Just two slightly older boys who told me to lie under a blanket and take my pants off – I did. They got called in for lunch and I waited for what seemed like an eternity – I left very disappointed. I chased that feeling for years. I believe many boys and girls play doctor – but for me looking back it was my response – my immediate willingness to do what I was told.

    That said I respond to thoughtful authority – not foolish attempts (Keith).

    Dana is your husband more dominant than you are? I think its all matters of degree. A strong woman simply would require a stronger man.

    Sorry if this double posts – has said awaiting moderation for evahhhh….

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  268. Gunslingergregi

    I imagine it would be a boost to fuck the shit out of palin when she comes home from work. Like grabbing her ass at the door going caveman.

    my brotherfromanothermother – you totally gave me THE idea about what to do with
    my tomorrow’s

    Morning Wood

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  269. Belief in astrology is pre-modern and low class.

    For sure. Carl Sagan demolished astrology and the dogma associated with it in ‘Cosmos’ in 1980.

    Astrology is for the insecure who don’t want to take responsibility for anything. Of course, women populate this group, so being able to BS about Astrology has Game value.

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  270. “astrologer” is a respected and often times very high paying career amongst married patriarchs in South Asia, and has been for centuries. It’s often passed down from patriarch to patriarch.

    It is respected by people of no scientific awareness. It is high paying in the way that psychics in the US are also making money off of dumbshits.

    It is BS. Elaborate BS, but BS nonetheless.

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  271. It’s absolutely true that Fox news isn’t very far to the right, as measured by the spectrum of American Presidential voting behavior over the last three decades or so. It’s center right. It doesn’t challenge much of anything that’s politically correct, or only a bit around the edges once in awhile.

    It does tend to be Republican favorable, as opposed to almost all the rest of the electronic media’s strong bias towards Democrats.

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  272. Whiskey, you’re ridiculous! I don’t give a damn about LadyRaine, but I just want to point out that hunting is a man’s sport. In addition to the actual pleasures of hunting, most men go on hunting trips to get away from their families (with the exception of certain sons) and to bond with other men. Most women who engage in hunting, from my experience, are rather unfeminine and a significant minority of them are quite promiscuious.

    As for American girls:

    -I’ve got the most in common with them culturally
    -I live in America
    -Anglo culture is all I gotta say. You don’t gotta be white to be culturally Anglo.

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  273. on July 16, 2009 at 12:17 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””Tood
    “astrologer” is a respected and often times very high paying career amongst married patriarchs in South Asia, and has been for centuries. It’s often passed down from patriarch to patriarch.

    It is respected by people of no scientific awareness. It is high paying in the way that psychics in the US are also making money off of dumbshits.

    It is BS. Elaborate BS, but BS nonetheless.”””””””

    The problem is that woman who become finanially successful seem to be drawn to it like moths to flame.

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  274. on July 16, 2009 at 12:18 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “It is respected by people of no scientific awareness. It is high paying in the way that psychics in the US are also making money off of dumbshits. ”

    It’s used by doctors, engineers, lawyers, and politicians in South Asia.

    It is almost always used in the arranged marriage process.

    Don’t know where you get the idea that astrology is a female thing. Perhaps in the USA? UK?

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  275. @mandy xd

    You mentioned Bhetti had given me some amazing advice in a comment you made upthread. I can’t find the advice, I scrolled but was lost to me. Can you paste the comment? Thanks. I don’t want to miss words of wisdom. 🙂

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  276. on July 16, 2009 at 12:21 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “I believe many boys and girls play doctor – but for me looking back it was my response – my immediate willingness to do what I was told. “……………….

    Most children are impressionable like that. That’s why they are preyed upon by peadophiles, unfortunately.

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  277. @FPUA – “Most children are impressionable like that. That’s why they are preyed upon by peadophiles, unfortunately”.

    Yes likely but it doesn’t break with my idea of girls/women being submissive by nature. I think girls respond to authority. I wonder if there’s any research about methods used by peadophiles and if there’s differences between the male and female genders. Do they use authority with girls and fear with boys. A sick type of ‘game’ employed by sickos to get what they want from who they want it from.

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  278. on July 16, 2009 at 12:39 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Maybe you had already been culturally programmed to be submissive by the age of five by your family or teachers in subtle ways.

    Again I cannot point out the importance of travel enough when it comes to understanding people and the stereotypes we banter around. If you are raised in a hierarchal, authoritarian culture, you will appear more submissive as a man than a woman who was raised in a culture that values “rugged individualism”. We are all highly, I mean HIGHLY conditioned by our cultures. No doubt about it. We are programmed little robots, more often than not. Travel is one way to break out of it though, but the break will never be complete.

    Also, we are never ALL of one thing and NONE of another. We are all a combination of several attributes – submissive and dominant being just 2.

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  279. Phenomenon

    s soon as i stopped being in one of the girls good graces
    the rest of her crew decided i did’nt exist anymore, one even told me she could’nt talk to me anymore or her friend would get mad at her.

    you also see that when together, she says she wants you to be “a lover and a friend”

    as soon as the “lover” part is over well…

    suddenly, the “friend’ part is too

    I’ve had guy friends for years. even after a fight where one of us gets punched out – we go back to being friends.

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  280. aoefe

    Dana is your husband more dominant than you are? I think its all matters of degree. A strong woman simply would require a stronger man.

    There actually is a significant percentage of women who are naturally dominant towards men but attracted to them, and men who are the reverse. However I think these women tend to not be so sexually attracted to such men esp. after awhile and often or usually seek extra curricular sexual satisfaction. 5% under current extremely female dominant / feminist conditions? I think that might be the male percentage. Female half that?

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  281. It’s used by doctors, engineers, lawyers, and politicians in South Asia.

    Not really. It is used by businesspeople, as their ups and downs are attributed to luck. Politicians are often illiterates in India (or at least need to cater to an illiterate electorate).

    Science-aware people in India do not let astrology guide their decisions.

    It is almost always used in the arranged marriage process.

    Again, unscientific, superstitious, pre-modern dumbshits.

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  282. on July 16, 2009 at 12:44 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “Science-aware people in India do not let astrology guide their decisions.”………………………..

    Only their arranged marriages.

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  283. on July 16, 2009 at 12:46 am Gunslingergregi

    I hate relapses except that they are fun.

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  284. Sarah Palin is in many ways an attractive political persona. She is has been quite successful in arranging family/fertility, career, and mid-life fuck-worthiness. I would vote for her if she were running for “Vice President of Good Examples.”
    As far as being qualified to take control of the reins of state of the USA as an accidental POTUS, err, no. She does not know what she does not know.
    Joe Biden has severely damaged frontal lobes of his brain. His history of surgery involving the scooping out of the brain tissue intended make you smart and allow to to control what you say is well documented. If he became President for some un-mentionable reason, history would record the event with horror and recriminations.
    Bhetti. You wrote that when someone put a warm baby in your arms you had a spasm of feeling that your career is trivial compared to the role of nurturer for such a perfect being.
    Great. The cosmos approves. But how about the NHS?

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  285. @ Firepower

    be sure to include a chapter on “How To Protect Your Author’s Royalties with a Pre-Nup!”

    I love the title. I may just include it.

    All credit,
    of course, to
    you.

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  286. Rum–

    Bhetti. You wrote that when someone put a warm baby in your arms you had a spasm of feeling that your career is trivial compared to the role of nurturer for such a perfect being.

    Great. The cosmos approves. But how about the NHS?

    She obviously feels a strong impulse to balance both.

    So lay off my sweetheart Rum.

    But, well, umm, when she gets around to it, she can speak better for herself.

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  287. @doug – “There actually is a significant percentage of women who are naturally dominant towards men but attracted to them, and men who are the reverse.”

    Oh I agree. We don’t crave equality regardless of who wears the dominant pants. Some men are attracted to men, women to women etc etc. Interestingly however even in gay relationships its very easy to point out who the more dominant person is.

    50/50 relationships are bogus – the work at maintaining it is tremendous – too much fight for balance. Set it up from the get go, establish the relationship with your own needs in mind – don’t wait to change him/her later.

    Women are as Dana mentions to often un-self aware – and they haven’t done the internal work to know what they want – they’re too busy listening to what everyone else tells them they want. You know why??? We’re followers dammit.

    Men you need to identify your needs/wants for p n’ d’s as well as ltr’s – don’t underestimate your own natural ability to lead. Too much beta talk can be self-defeating. First thing you gotta put in your head is that women WANT/NEED to be led. Get that belief entrenched and you are winning the war. Don’t battle – win.

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  288. @FPUA – “Also, we are never ALL of one thing and NONE of another. We are all a combination of several attributes – submissive and dominant being just 2.”

    I agree. I don’t even like being branded submissive – it’s too misunderstood to begin with and just a small part of a complex person. For example saying I’m submissive and then revealing my CEO position confuses people and they’ll come up with reasons “she’s in control at work, needs to lose control in her private life”. Not true and losing control doesn’t even describe what people term submissivness either. Humans are complex – you got it.

    @LR

    I copied FPUA’s spelling, it looked weird but then I thought it looks scientific and left it. 🙂

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  289. @lilgirl – pædophile

    Ya…that’s what I was TOTALLY going for… *looks up at the ceiling and whistles Dixie

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  290. on July 16, 2009 at 1:02 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’Aoefe,
    Women are as Dana mentions to often un-self aware – and they haven’t done the internal work to know what they want – they’re too busy listening to what everyone else tells them they want. You know why??? We’re followers dammit. ”””

    Interesting point. So woman are just clay you need to mold. Except who is usually trying to go for the biggest house possibly afforded. Although I think that might have something to do with them getting the house in divorce. But also if the guy has loot in the bank they know dam well he can get another woman and life easy. I think woman are the ones that like a guy living paycheck to paycheck more than the guy. If he has assets and they break up it would fuck with her head that he could be doing fine.

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  291. @LR
    >“Man doesn’t want to marry her”. Except my ex is STILL
    > begging me to marry him and my son’s father asked me
    > twice and I said no. so, there again you’re wrong.

    I’m sure it’s been covert but I have to ask:

    What are you holding out for? Do these guys not make your ‘gina tingle or are you looking for a man that would make your daddy proud of you?

    I see a lot of guys bash you here on BS but one thing is true:
    You’re not getting any younger.

    The wall will hit someday. Someday soon I’m afraid. Sex with an attractive, quality man is fun for women. There are material and emotional advantages to marrying for a woman. You’re missing out on a lot of fun.

    You’re still good looking enough that you can probably get a very decent man (but perhaps as some have noted here not as good as you would’ve gotten if you didn’t have a little baggage).

    Why don’t you take advantage of your good fortune of decent looks while you still have it?

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  292. roissy,

    [editor: this insight deserves its own maxim.]

    Maximize that shit!

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  293. No man having an input on British women?

    I will have to do. Confused amalgam of different British chicks follows.

    At worst:
    Absolute men. The language, sense of humour, attitude, competitive drinking habits (verging on alcoholic). Messed up fashion style: neon-coloured clashing clothes, looking pregnant, orange skin. Caked on cheap and heavy badly applied make up. Fatness and annoying abound. Smokers including through pregnancy.

    Ideal man: undemanding guy who works while she’s not and doing nothing around house except being pregnant and getting benefits. May work part-time as hairdresser if she didn’t flunk the course.

    The more educated and older, the more likely placating her is occupying SO’s time 100%. Possibly trained to instantly obey instructions e.g ‘Could you get me a drink?’. Instructions are politely phrased or masculine humourously so.

    Shrill distress ensues if crossed.

    At best:
    Fitness and health conscious, family oriented, comitted to hopeless betas without harassment and nagging, insecure, content and not liking change, needs help with opening up, understated, interested and concerned with dressing with femininity. Influenced by trends but not too heavily. Realistic expectations. Occupied with being happy, energetic and cheerful.

    Ideal man: often happens to be first or second boyfriend who magically becomes so. Is good-natured and even encouraging about his typical British teasing, does things that he likes and attempts interest in what he is interested in. She puts a lot of stock in money and a job, which can be a negative.

    At worst and best, should mostly like a laugh, with the “worst” being more obvious and crudely proactive about it, and the “best” being a bit more fun to play with that way i.e. being entertained but conflicted.

    Mandy: Oh, stop it. Just sharing important realisations for me. We have a lot in common and I suspect that includes some pain that resulted in much too early realism.

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  294. on July 16, 2009 at 1:12 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Personally I don’t see how anyone can “balance” infants with careers. What about breast feeding and all that care and attention they need? One year maternity leave is not enough. And we all know you can’t take five years off.

    Start your own business from home? Even without kids there are distractions. Try running a business from home with babies crying and pooping and coloring your newly painted walls with permanant markers.

    Extended family? It works in many (most?) countries around the world but are we ready to live that close with that many relatives? (its all under one roof in many cultures).

    (and lets not forget about PPD, post partum depression, which can even lead to suicide)

    Some people might even attribute Palin’s daughter’s teen pregnancy to mom “not being there”.

    It might be an impossible dream for us in the West, but I think it’s always good to have a stay at home parent. But then the entire financial load has to be carried by the career/outside job parent. That is also stressful.

    Is it all worth it?

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  295. @Gunny – “Except who is usually trying to go for the biggest house possibly afforded.”

    Women are going for the biggest house to keep up with the Joneses. They are following the lead of a materialistic society. Every TV ad and glossy magazine spread says bigger is better (except in booty).

    It’s your job to set life goals for your wife/family (I know you do this already) and ensure you stay the course. If the big house is out of the equation now, tell her why, get her buy-in and reward her for her willingness to follow you. Women want to know she’s pleased her man. When she’s pleased you and only then give her praise/gift/great sex something that will reinforce her behaviour. It’s not really rocket science. Men have to create their own relationship realities. As a woman in the dating world – I have met many men who could have won me over with a little bit of game. The lack of undertanding they had about women lost them the chance.

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  296. on July 16, 2009 at 1:20 am Gunslingergregi

    I see it as a phenomenon. It seems to go against common sense. People would rather be house poor than be able to travel, go out to eat, drive out into the country, spontaneous trips or save.

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  297. on July 16, 2009 at 1:21 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    50/50 DOES work. I’ve experienced a relationship in which we shared everything and it was great fun. If I cooked, he did the dishes, and vice versa. We cleaned the house together, shopped together, made decisions together. I loved it and so did he.

    There was no competition or ego trips.

    The only reason we had to part was because he wanted kids.

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  298. Bhetti

    @Mandy: Oh, stop it. Just sharing important realisations for me. We have a lot in common and I suspect that includes some pain that resulted in much too early realism.

    Yeah I realize everyone will think and it’s basically true that I’m hopelessly biased. But still I’m kinda objective anyway, though might not always say accordingly.

    Objectively this sounds like truth telling and truth perceiving.

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  299. on July 16, 2009 at 1:24 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea not like everyone is going to come fully knowing everything to do. Got to have patience for someone willing to learn.

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  300. on July 16, 2009 at 1:26 am Gunslingergregi

    lol doug keep seeing broke up not broke up. he he he

    Whats up man

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  301. @gunny – “It seems to go against common sense.”

    I totally agree with you. I also think huge weddings go against common sense too. Elopement is where its at. Use the money to start your life or do an amazing world tour. With the divorce rates as high as they are who is stupid enough to spend $50.000 on a wedding?? Lots of stupid people.

    I have a house I own but with my income could be much fancier. I contented myself with a brand new kitchen (where a woman belongs) and hard wood floors (which I regret) and stayed put with a much lower mortgage. When (not if) I meet my mate I’ll not want to be so in love with my home I’m not willing to leave it. I want to have lived a lifestyle which can be reproduced – not chased.

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  302. aoefe: That advice was directed at something chic said, misattributed to you.

    Rum: Baby vs. NHS. I choose baby.

    Lots of ‘flexible working’ abounds in the feminised climate of the profession. Extended leave. Part-time GP work, even.

    But I have no illusions about where my loyalties and priorities lie.

    Family’s first. That’s it. Period. It’s a motivation for this career path [older family, rather than young ones].

    I wanted to support my family.

    I’m not selling my soul to the profession. Family comes first.

    Choices, including extreme ones, will be made on this basis.

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  303. Bhetti

    No man having an input on British women?

    I will have to do. Confused amalgam of different British chicks follows.

    What I noticed about Britain was a lot of trashy, fat, sloppy girls. However, in London I saw some beautiful, elegant women who really would draw a long second look.

    America doesn’t have quite the same class distinctions, so you can still hear people like Lady Rain claiming to be respectable while they slut it up and their parents are “respected” in church.

    On the other hand, I saw some very decent, well-bred Welsh girls serving tea in towns like Caernarfon, despite their being of humble origins.

    Britain still has good women, but you wouldn’t know it from the train to Birmingham. It’s a tossup, like all of the West. Eastern Europe is probably a better bet.

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  304. Was Biden’s aneurysm fixed with catheters or was it through the frontal lobes. If it was with catheters the effect on his frontal lobes might be negligible.

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  305. on July 16, 2009 at 1:34 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Welmer

    Well, that is kind of surprising that you actually know how to do that. Gives you a little text encoding cred, I suppose. If you bust out with some real PHP or something like that I’ll be genuinely impressed.

    Bah.
    Me personally, I just search for “ae character”, and then copy and paste æ off the first result. Why perform other manœuvres?

    She’s a try-hard, though, so she probably does some complicated programming shit. Eh. Girl stuff.

    I was going to write, given your post about food being the path to a man’s heart, that I’d never intimately known a woman who can actually cook, but perhaps you know how to do that, too.

    She does, although she’ll tell you she doesn’t.
    She makes good “man food”. Simple, hearty, delicious. Spiced to taste good, but none of that gay gourmet shit.

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  306. on July 16, 2009 at 1:35 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Welmer

    Well, that is kind of surprising that you actually know how to do that. Gives you a little text encoding cred, I suppose. If you bust out with some real PHP or something like that I’ll be genuinely impressed.

    Bah.
    Me personally, I just search for “ae character”, and then copy and paste æ off the first result. Why perform other manœuvres?
    She’s a try-hard, though, so she probably does some complicated programming shit. Eh. Girl stuff.

    I was going to write, given your post about food being the path to a man’s heart, that I’d never intimately known a woman who can actually cook, but perhaps you know how to do that, too.

    She does, although she’ll tell you she doesn’t.
    She makes good “man food”. Simple, hearty, delicious. Spiced to taste good, but none of that gay gourmet shit.

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  307. on July 16, 2009 at 1:35 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Welmer, those Brit women may have looked cultured, refined and high class but that does not mean they are not sleeping around.

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  308. mandy, aoefe, bhetti – you all have such great input here. definitely makes the blog more interesting to see balanced female perspectives.

    @mandy
    ah, thanks for the feedback. very good advice a/b feminine traits, etc.
    i’m often surprised to realize how few American women of our generation are interested in domestic matters…

    i especially agree with this:
    “Men …First thing you gotta put in your head is that women WANT/NEED to be led. Get that belief entrenched and you are winning the war. Don’t battle – win.”-aoefe

    true words. women are looking for a leader (even if they won’t admit it).

    this post has led to some of the most interesting commentaries.

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  309. “I’m not selling my soul to the profession. Family comes first.
    Choices, including extreme ones, will be made on this basis.”
    -bhetti

    that’s pretty much how i look at things, too- profession serves your family, and not the other way around. family would seem to have the greater reward, from the female perspective. it’s just a comforting idea.

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  310. on July 16, 2009 at 1:45 am Gen'l Butt Naked

    O/T

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/georgia.child.support/

    (CNN) — Frank Hatley spent the past year in jail for being a deadbeat dad. But there’s one problem — Hatley doesn’t have any children. And the “deadbeat” label doesn’t fit the 50-year-old either, his supporters say.

    …The story dates back to 1986, when Hatley had a relationship with Essie Lee Morrison. She became pregnant and gave birth to a son.

    Morrison told Hatley that the child was his, but the couple ended their relationship shortly after the boy’s birth, according to court documents. The couple never married and never lived together, the documents state.

    When the boy turned 2, Morrison applied for public support for her son. Under Georgia law, the state can go after the non-custodial parent to recoup the assistance.

    For 13 years, Hatley made payments to the state until learning, in 2000, that the boy might not be his biological son. A DNA test that year confirmed that there was no chance he was the father, according to court documents.

    Hatley returned to court and was relieved of any future child support reimbursement but was ordered to pay more than $16,000 that he had owed the state before the ruling.

    Latesha Bradley, an attorney who represented Hatley in that hearing, told CNN the argument for keeping Hatley liable for the back payments was that he had signed a consent agreement with the office of child support services. The court agreed that Hatley had to comply with the consent agreement for the period that he believed the boy was his son.

    Court documents show that Hatley for the most part continued to make payments. He was jailed for six months in 2006 for falling behind on payments during a period of unemployment, but afterward he resumed making payments and continued to do so even after he lost another job in 2008 and became homeless, court records state.

    Last year, he again became unable to maintain the payments and was once again jailed.

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  311. @dreamer

    Thanks. 🙂

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  312. Epoxytocin No. 87

    She’s a try-hard, though, so she probably does some complicated programming shit. Eh. Girl stuff.

    Programming is girl stuff? You’re asking for it, buddy…

    🙂

    She makes good “man food”. Simple, hearty, delicious. Spiced to taste good, but none of that gay gourmet shit.

    That’s a good start, but to be honest, I like the gay gourmet shit every now and then.

    Now if you’re going to marry her, make sure you take her to church every Sunday and keep her pregnant for at least the next decade. Yeah, it’s a bitch, but that’s the most effective method, and it pays off when the kids grow up.

    Good luck!

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  313. Me personally, I just search for “ae character”, and then copy and paste æ off the first result. Why perform other manœuvres?

    Bah. Being from where I am I have the æ on my keyboard and use it all the time. So I am better than all of you by that logic.

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  314. on July 16, 2009 at 1:50 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “”i especially agree with this:
    “Men …First thing you gotta put in your head is that women WANT/NEED to be led. Get that belief entrenched and you are winning the war. Don’t battle – win.”-aoefe

    true words. women are looking for a leader (even if they won’t admit it). “”…………………………………………….

    Not me. I already wrote my perspective but for some reason its in a holding pattern.

    50/50 DOES work. I’ve done it and it is awesome.

    And it was not contrived. We never sat down and wrote a list of chores and checked them off nor ever said anything like, “I cooked yesterday, you have to cook today”.

    We just both naturally did everything as a team.

    I think why many people think it does not work is because one of the 2 was lazy or not contributing their share. That’s a character issue more than a relationship issue.

    People need to get their character straightened out before they enter into a LTR live-in situation.

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  315. on July 16, 2009 at 1:51 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “Now if you’re going to marry her, make sure you take her to church every Sunday and keep her pregnant for at least the next decade. “…………………………

    Yikes! that was very christian normative.

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  316. Doug:

    Yeah I realize everyone will think and it’s basically true that I’m hopelessly biased. But still I’m kinda objective anyway, though might not always say accordingly.

    Objectively this sounds like truth telling and truth perceiving.

    Oh *hugs* Yooou. I love you. Affection! Acknowledgement! Happiness!

    What I’d give for a kiss.

    Welmer:
    Oh, thank goodness for your input. Have not traveled much out of London as well and obviously not too interested in observing women.

    Wales! *tries to stop the impulsive sheep joke about women and being neglected by their men* Clearly have been in England too long.

    Dreamer:
    If I get any more ego inflation, I may be in danger of never shutting up. Which I try to fight. Really.

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  317. Cliff- the “pick any two” comment sums it all up in one sentence. Nice.

    James-

    I’m working on the capital part as we speak, Should be another 3 years or so and I will be able to live like a minor rock star in the states, so paying the rent in Costa Rica, Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Poland, Slovakia, WHEREVER I decide to go….well….it shouldn’t be very difficult.

    It will be my REWARD for putting up with the bar slag that infests every single nook and cranny of the good ole’ U.S. of A. for the past 37 years.

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  318. Arpagus

    Bah. Being from where I am I have the æ on my keyboard and use it all the time. So I am better than all of you by that logic.

    Why don’t you Norwegians just use runes anyway?

    Isn’t there ascii rune text?

    Maybe unicode?

    Lets see:

    16A016A216B4

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  319. Guess not…

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  320. Jerr Dogg
    Biden had surgery X 2 on his brain. The Medical grapevine hums with the horrid details.
    Do you want to know the truth about M. Thatchers “stroke” a few years ago? It was in fact a due to a botched anesthetic at a small private clinic.
    You wanna know why R. Reagan talked like a frog for months after he was shot? I should stop or the NSA will start reviewing my files.

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  321. on July 16, 2009 at 2:07 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Arpagus

    Bah. Being from where I am I have the æ on my keyboard and use it all the time. So I am better than all of you by that logic.

    Being from California, I can show you something you don’t see on keyboards, or in skies, up there:

    ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼

    I win.

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  322. on July 16, 2009 at 2:10 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Welmer

    Now if you’re going to marry her, make sure you take her to church every Sunday and keep her pregnant for at least the next decade.

    There should be lots of babies born between 9 and 10 months apart.

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  323. @ Welmer, Epoxytocin No. 87, Arpagus

    Bah. Being from where I am I have the æ on my keyboard and use it all the time. So I am better than all of you by that logic.

    Why don’t you Norwegians just use runes anyway?

    Isn’t there ascii rune text?

    Maybe unicode?

    Being from California, I can show you something you don’t see on keyboards, or in skies, up there:

    ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼ ☼

    I win.

    Nerds! All of you! SRSLY!

    ❤

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  324. Epoxytocin No. 87

    There should be lots of babies born between 9 and 10 months apart.

    LOL!

    You really want three in diapers at once?

    Two’s bad enough. Space ’em two years apart and you’ll feel like the world’s falling down around you, but at least you’ll survive.

    And do not, I repeat DO NOT, let the mother-in-law get involved. Keep her at a good arm’s length for as long as possible.

    I know an old Korean proverb:

    Mothers-in-law are like outhouses — best kept a good distance from the family home.

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  325. on July 16, 2009 at 2:23 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””Court documents show that Hatley for the most part continued to make payments. He was jailed for six months in 2006 for falling behind on payments during a period of unemployment, but afterward he resumed making payments and continued to do so even after he lost another job in 2008 and became homeless, court records state.

    Last year, he again became unable to maintain the payments and was once again jailed.””””””””

    Jailed during period of unemployment, then jaild for being homeless yea ok guys in us went gay. Apparently the only animal that doesn’t turn on its attacker just takes the abuse. WTF is going on.

    How is this shit happening?
    No really how the fuck is this happening?
    It all started with the setbelt violation that they got away with and downhill from there.

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  326. Rum: medical gossip, lovin’ it. Source, aside from news/Kevin MD?

    Welmer: My father’s favourite names for his mother-in-law include ‘The Devil’. He says things like ‘When is she going to die? Wait, what am I saying? Pure evil never dies, Bhetti.’

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  327. on July 16, 2009 at 2:27 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Str8up
    Cliff- the “pick any two” comment sums it all up in one sentence. Nice.

    James-

    I’m working on the capital part as we speak, Should be another 3 years or so and I will be able to live like a minor rock star in the states, so paying the rent in Costa Rica, Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Poland, Slovakia, WHEREVER I decide to go….well….it shouldn’t be very difficult.

    It will be my REWARD for putting up with the bar slag that infests every single nook and cranny of the good ole’ U.S. of A. for the past 37 years.””””””””””””””

    Congrats man.

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  328. @Gunslinger,

    > How is this shit happening?
    > No really how the fuck is this happening?

    The judge that lets this shit happen should have his dick cut off and have it televised on the evening news.

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  329. on July 16, 2009 at 2:33 am Gunslingergregi

    I think the hardest thing about divorce law is that shit like that doesn’t fit in the brain. I mean how could the united states government, and judges condone doing that to someone. You lose your job you go to jail. How is that possible it doesn’t compute with any of the previous brainwashing. It is like you have to close it out of your mind or you would have to do something or go insane. How can we have people in jail just like all the evil empires like russia with people in jail in siberia for no reason.

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  330. on July 16, 2009 at 2:35 am Gunslingergregi

    How the fuck can people be trying to save whales and now for the past how many years the environment. No one is saving the guys in prison whose crime was losing their job.

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  331. on July 16, 2009 at 2:43 am Gunslingergregi

    So who want the us to have bombs going off. They must be pissed to because people are just taking the abuse. I mean human nature is fucked. They have given every incentive imaginable for people to go crazy yet it only happens rarely. Perfect time to write the book on men in prison and actually do interviews with them in the new economy.

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  332. lose your job you go to jail.

    If that happens, a man can petition to court to reduce the child support until he gets a job.

    It is still horrendously unfair, of course. But I doubt the 5 million laid off men in this economy, of which several hundred thousand were paying child support, all have gotten felonies on their records as a result.

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  333. Gunny — Most women HATE HATE HATE beta males. They figure the guy got what he deserved for not being “Hot” and an Alpha.

    Proof positive.

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  334. There should be lots of babies born between 9 and 10 months apart.

    In the Jackson family, most of the kids had gaps of just 15-18 months between them. The first 7 kids were all born within 8 years. The final 2 had larger gaps between them because the mother, getting older, probably had more trouble conceiving (despite her demonstrated fertility). Janet Jackson is 5 years younger than the next youngest sibling Randy, who in turn is 3 years younger than Michael.

    Plus, these were lower-middle class people, who of course did not have a house big enough for each kid to have their own room (at least until the Jackson 5 money started rolling in around 1970). That is why I laugh when people today say they cannot afford kids. It is all about priorities.

    Of course, modernity has tainted them too. Two of the three sisters, La Toya and Janet, never had any kids. But the 6 brothers combined had 24 kids between them. Jermaine had something like 9, across 4 different women.

    And do not, I repeat DO NOT, let the mother-in-law get involved. Keep her at a good arm’s length for as long as possible.

    It depends on the individual. The minority of mother in laws who are good, wise people can be invaluable allies in preserving your marriage.

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  335. Gunslingergregi

    Jailed during period of unemployment, then jaild for being homeless yea ok guys in us went gay. Apparently the only animal that doesn’t turn on its attacker just takes the abuse. WTF is going on.

    How is this shit happening?
    No really how the fuck is this happening?
    It all started with the setbelt violation that they got away with and downhill from there.

    Well, I can explain a bit of it. If the kid is on public assistance, they will try to prosecute the guy much harder than otherwise.

    Also, and don’t count this out, he may actually have preferred jail to being homeless and having CS debt pile up every month.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if jail was a relief to the poor fellow. It’s really that bad for a lot of fathers here in the US.

    It is on the broken backs of these men that whores like Lady Rain live their privileged lives.

    As a minority custodial parent, I have had to face up to the possibility that I may well spend time behind bars if I lose my income. This is just how it is.

    However, if a guy goes to jail, he cannot pay, and in fact the state will have to pay to feed, house and care for him. And if they put enough men in jail, they will break the entire system, so I say: “Bring it on!”

    America already imprisons more men than any other nation in the history of the world. How long can this be kept up?

    One caveat: they may come up with a scheme to introduce outright slavery, i.e. if a woman divorces you and you have no money you go on a chain gang. If that happens, all bets are off, and it would become morally acceptable to shoot those involved in such a system.

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  336. on July 16, 2009 at 2:54 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’on July 16, 2009 at 2:45 am Tood
    lose your job you go to jail.

    If that happens, a man can petition to court to reduce the child support until he gets a job.

    It is still horrendously unfair, of course. But I doubt the 5 million laid off men in this economy, of which several hundred thousand were paying child support, all have gotten felonies on their records as a result.””””””””

    Reduce he does have a fucking job. 97 percent of the people live paycheck to paycheck.

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  337. on July 16, 2009 at 2:56 am Gunslingergregi

    ””whiskey
    Gunny — Most women HATE HATE HATE beta males. They figure the guy got what he deserved for not being “Hot” and an Alpha.

    Proof positive.””””””””

    Well I guess that proves I am an alpha word should be ok then.

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  338. Tood

    It depends on the individual. The minority of mother in laws who are good, wise people can be invaluable allies in preserving your marriage.

    Yes, minority. Small minority.

    Better to stay on the safe side and keep her away. Boomer women (most MILs these days) are worse than any others.

    Keep them far, far away from your family. They can and will wreck your marriage.

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  339. As a minority custodial parent, I have had to face up to the possibility that I may well spend time behind bars if I lose my income. This is just how it is.

    Can’t you petition the court based on your sudden unemployment? How old is your kid, BTW?

    Again, in this recession, 5 million men have lost their jobs (and most women have not). Of all these men, several hundred thousand are paying child support. I doubt warrants have been issued to arrest 500K to 1M men.

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  340. Keep them far, far away from your family. They can and will wreck your marriage.

    How would you ‘keep them away’ from their daughter and grandkids (which is how they will see it)?

    What incentive do they have to wreck your marriage? Or is it inadvertent?

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  341. on July 16, 2009 at 3:06 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’One caveat: they may come up with a scheme to introduce outright slavery, i.e. if a woman divorces you and you have no money you go on a chain gang. If that happens, all bets are off, and it would become morally acceptable to shoot those involved in such a system.””””””””’

    It is not already?

    ”””””””””’As a minority custodial parent, I have had to face up to the possibility that I may well spend time behind bars if I lose my income. This is just how it is. ””””””””

    I think hunger strike could make a difference here. If shown on tv. I don’t think people seriouly can believe what is going on. I still can’t.

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  342. on July 16, 2009 at 3:08 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Tood,
    I doubt warrants have been issued to arrest 500K to 1M men.”””””””

    That is the problem the situation does not fucking compute. It is not reasonable and people expect to be treated reasonably by the us government.

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  343. I think hunger strike could make a difference here. If shown on tv. I don’t think people seriouly can believe what is going on. I still can’t.

    It is not going to change any time soon. There are far too many men who think they are being heroes by ‘standing up for women who were oppressed in the past’.

    Things will only correct by 2020, due to the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance I wrote about before. The laws will not change, but a lot of women are in for a world of hurt by that time.

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  344. Bhetti

    Rum: medical gossip, lovin’ it. Source, aside from news/Kevin MD?

    Welmer: My father’s favourite names for his mother-in-law include ‘The Devil’. He says things like ‘When is she going to die? Wait, what am I saying? Pure evil never dies, Bhetti.’

    Hey Bhetti,

    have you ever heard of the “Medical Hypotheses” journal?

    They invited me to write a piece for them concerning my chimera hypothesis. It’s a UK publication, but I’m not sure if they’re well-known over there.

    I’m not a doctor, but I engage in some scientific speculation from time to time. Wish I got paid for it…

    Anyway, let me know if you’ve ever come across the publication. It couldn’t hurt to be published there if it’s respectable.

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  345. on July 16, 2009 at 3:13 am Gunslingergregi

    Guys have been getting thrown in jail for a while though. The deadbeat dad program been going on. They teach kids about deadbeat dads.

    Again

    If you label me you negate me.

    Label em a deadbeat dad and no one can understand why they are not paying because they can’t. No it is because they are a bad guy (a deadbeat dad).

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  346. Label em a deadbeat dad and no one can understand why they are not paying because they can’t. No it is because they are a bad guy (a deadbeat dad).

    And this is why Islam receives so many converts (tee hee)…

    Feminists have no idea how severe the backlash they receive is going to be.

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  347. how would a girl go about being less American? for reals…i would like to know.
    from what i’ve gathered it’s 1. don’t be slutty and 2. don’t be a feminist. i genuinely hope i’m neither.

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  348. This is why a man absolutely MUST :

    1) Get a pre-nup
    2) Marry a woman who makes similar (or more) money than him.

    #1 does not shield from child support, but reduces the chance of divorce. #2 will avoid this ‘public assistance’ trap and reduce the man’s payment.

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  349. on July 16, 2009 at 3:19 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””And in the case of United States of America v. Sage, U.S. Court of Appeals (2nd Cir., 1996), the court upheld the constitutionality of a law allowing federal fines and up to two years imprisonment for a person willfully failing to pay more than $5,000 in child support over a year or more when said child resides in a different state from that of the non-custodial parent.””””””””””

    I guess it really doesn’t matter what you think about american woman it doesn’t matter.

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  350. amanda,

    It is not ‘American’ women who are the problem, but rather urban feminist women.

    Women in rural America have much better values, and are still suitable for marriage to some degree.

    how would a girl go about being less American? for reals…i would like to know.

    Actually, you can become MORE American, i.e. become like Sarah Palin or Cindy McCain or Laura Bush. These are all-American women who embody what America once was, and what it should be, had the feminist calamity not happened.

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  351. on July 16, 2009 at 3:20 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””The late men’s rights activist Wilbur Street was an activist in the father’s rights movement. Wilbur lost his high paying job when he developed Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease”). The New Jersey system ignored Wilbur’s disease and imputed a high income to him, despite his level of disability. In 2005, Wilbur was jailed for a child support arrearage based upon his imputed income. He died in a New Jersey jail on the second day of his incarceration from complications of ALS. Wilbur’s daughter has taken up Wilbur’s campaign and has become an activist in the cause of father’s Rights.”””””””””””

    Dam

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  352. on July 16, 2009 at 3:22 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’The Law Today

    Today, a child support violator can be prosecuted under Federal law if the following facts exists: 1) the violator willfully failed to pay; 2) a known child support obligation; 3) which has a) remained unpaid for longer than a year or is greater than $5,000 (misdemeanor), or has b) remained unpaid for longer than two years or is greater than $10,000 (felony) 4) for a child who resides in another state, or 1) the violator traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; 2) with the intent to evade a support obligation; 3) if such obligation has remained unpaid for a period of one year or longer-or is greater than $5,000 (felony). See 18 U.S.C. §228.”””””

    Federal Crime wtf

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  353. Tood

    Can’t you petition the court based on your sudden unemployment? How old is your kid, BTW?

    Again, in this recession, 5 million men have lost their jobs (and most women have not). Of all these men, several hundred thousand are paying child support. I doubt warrants have been issued to arrest 500K to 1M men.

    Sure you can petition for modification, but it’s no guarantee. As for warrants, I believe they are automatic after a certain amount of arrears.

    re: MILs

    How would you ‘keep them away’ from their daughter and grandkids (which is how they will see it)?

    What incentive do they have to wreck your marriage? Or is it inadvertent?

    Grandparents have no more rights to see the kids than anyone else (in my state). They have to use their children to give them access to the grandchildren, and with today’s divorce laws herein lies the problem.

    Their incentive for wrecking the marriage, like in my case, could be because they want to take the kids. MILs have the same maternal instincts as always. They see themselves as entitled to their grandchildren, and if given the opportunity many will seize them.

    Another incentive could simply be that the son-in-law isn’t following their plan, wants to move, etc. There are all sorts of problems with in-laws. It really is best to keep them at a distance.

    MILs feel – accurately – that they gain power when their daughters file for divorce. Many of them will therefore advise their daughters to do so. They can kite the former son-in-law by using the court system better than they ever could have while he was still married to their daughter.

    My guess is that Lady Rain’s parents fall into this category. She still lives with them, and they are raising her son. This is becoming the norm. Sarah Palin is doing the same with her grandson Tigger or whatever his ridiculous name is.

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  354. on July 16, 2009 at 3:24 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””amanda
    how would a girl go about being less American? for reals…i would like to know.
    from what i’ve gathered it’s 1. don’t be slutty and 2. don’t be a feminist. i genuinely hope i’m neither.””””””””””

    You can’t you would have to be willing to agree to the guns prenump.

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  355. on July 16, 2009 at 3:29 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’Prosecutorial Considerations

    Even if the above facts are present in an individual case, a decision whether or not a federal prosecution will be pursued may also include the following considerations: 1) Whether state civil and criminal remedies reasonable available have first been pursued; 2) Whether the violator has exhibited a pattern of moving from state to state to avoid payment; 3) Whether the violator has actually attempted to conceal his whereabouts or identity including using an alias or false social security number; and 4) Whether the violator has failed to comply with a support order despite previous contempt orders in state court.””””””””””””””””

    Nothing about fucking not able to get a job.

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  356. The gunslinger pre-nup, as good as it is, cannot hold against the machinery of the court system and the state.

    I swear, I never thought I would be one to avoid marriage due to extreme legal risks. I thought that the worst part of marriage merely was that she gets fat.

    But now, these risks are too severe to ignore. Sure, 70% of first marriages to educated couples sustain for life, but still, the other downside is huge.

    The good news is that if only 20% of men decide to avoid marriage, we then have 100 women competing for 80 men, which will cause extreme stress to all but the elite few women. Despite Chic Noir’s bullshit claims to the contrary, women are far more desperate for marriage than men.

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  357. It really is best to keep them at a distance.

    But HOW??? If the wife wants to be on the phone with her mother for 2 hours a day, exactly how will you regulate this? How will you prevent the MIL from visiting for a month?

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  358. on July 16, 2009 at 3:35 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””on July 16, 2009 at 3:31 am Tood
    The gunslinger pre-nup, as good as it is, cannot hold against the machinery of the court system and the state.

    I swear, I never thought I would be one to avoid marriage due to extreme legal risks. I thought that the worst part of marriage merely was that she gets fat.

    But now, these risks are too severe to ignore. Sure, 70% of first marriages to educated couples sustain for life, but still, the other downside is huge.

    The good news is that if only 20% of men decide to avoid marriage, we then have 100 women competing for 80 men, which will cause extreme stress to all but the elite few women. Despite Chic Noir’s bullshit claims to the contrary, women are far more desperate for marriage than men.””””””””””””’

    What it keeps you out of slavery and lets you go talk to god.

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  359. @whiskey:
    >Most women HATE HATE HATE beta males.
    >They figure the guy got what he deserved for
    >not being “Hot” and an Alpha.

    I’ve been prying many married chicks’ locks for the past 6 months. I have never heard ANY of them say anything hateful about their hubbys. What they say is that they love them dearly but that their husbands are one of the following:

    (1) not interested in sex anymore
    (2) “clingy” i.e. I’ve found this to mean that they are a pussy with no life
    (3) have poor career prospects/no desire for kids
    (4) impotent (usually when they are older)

    I’d say about 1/3 of them are “practicing” for a divorce. 1/3 are shopping for a new husband and take the recreational sex/dating/etc… as a bonus. And 1/3 are nymphos with high sex drives.

    They don’t hate their beta men – they PITY them.

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  360. Tood

    But now, these risks are too severe to ignore. Sure, 70% of first marriages to educated couples sustain for life, but still, the other downside is huge.

    Keep in mind that a lot of educated couples despise each other, but stay married for convenience. An attorney friend of mine is absolutely miserable in his marriage, but he knows he’d get cleaned out in divorce, so he stays.

    The good news is that if only 20% of men decide to avoid marriage, we then have 100 women competing for 80 men, which will cause extreme stress to all but the elite few women. Despite Chic Noir’s bullshit claims to the contrary, women are far more desperate for marriage than men.

    What do you think those 20% of men who refused to marry will be doing with the dissatisfied married women?

    Tood

    But HOW??? If the wife wants to be on the phone with her mother for 2 hours a day, exactly how will you regulate this? How will you prevent the MIL from visiting for a month?

    If your girlfriend is that dependent on her mother, get another girlfriend, because she will never be able to take care of herself, much less a family.

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  361. let’s take a break from our regularly scheduled ranting to savor how great things used to be:

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  362. on July 16, 2009 at 3:48 am Gunslingergregi

    I dissagree on the mother of the wife thing. Mine rocks. Ya got to game the mother in law too. Shit. Show her some attention. She does still cook for basically whole family and still in mad shape and old as dust after having 9 kids goes to show don’t have to be fat the entire time you have 9 kids. That is how you end up having 9 kids.

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  363. Jerr Dogg – where do you find the married women?

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  364. on July 16, 2009 at 3:49 am Gunslingergregi

    Interesting observation Jerdogg,

    Although dam dude is that real or just how you sleep at night.

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  365. on July 16, 2009 at 3:59 am Cliff Arroyo

    When I wrote “rewarding career” I’m not referring to any old job held mainly to put food the fridge (nothing wrong with those).
    That kind of job can be forgotten approximately the moment you get off work. I’m talking about the kind of work that requires significant time expenditure away from the workplace and/or liable to intrude at inconvenient times.

    As for Palin. I disagree with almost all of her policy positions and seriously think she’s gone as far as she can/should go in politics. The phrase ‘just as qualified as Obama’ is not reassuring. At present American democracy is dysfunctional because the skill set needed to win a big campaign is becoming too separated from the skill set needed to actually govern well. Expect more President Pin-up’s (for as long as elections continue at any rate).

    But, I do like that Palin and her husband have worked out a post-feminist kind of relationship. He clearly isn’t interested in a political career but support(ed/s) her ambitions. Thirty or more years ago I don’t think that would have happened – she’d have tried to get him to run for office and then tried to be the power behind the throne (shades of Nancy Reagan). That that’s changed (and her husband) are cool.

    I also don’t blame her for her daughter getting knocked up, she was at a stupid age and did something stupid but nothing her mother could have reasonably done could have prevented that particular outcome.

    And yes, there was (and is) a lot of class-based knee-jerk hostility toward her that didn’t speak well of the attackers.

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  366. on July 16, 2009 at 4:01 am Willard Libby

    Jack – Jerr Dogg – where do you find the married women?

    Over at your mom’s house.

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  367. Jack,

    – there’s a huge reservoir of separating chicks. Are they married? Sort of ….. but there’s also a lot of cheaters.

    Since I work for myself, I have a lot of unstructured time during the day if I want to. Women mill about… nurses…teachers… students… housewifes…. they all run on coffee. You have to be friendly and not give off a stalker vibe. Since I’m good looking (yes looks do matter for this kind of thing) I get away with a lot of bullshit that most guys would get called out on. It’s not fair but that’s the way it is.

    Many chicks have to travel for their jobs. That’s the ripest territory. Most of the ones that still care about their appearance (i.e. the fuckable ones) are ripe for serious ont the road day game if you can:
    (1) show that you’re not a pscyho
    (2) credibly show her that you can see her on an ongoing basis.

    The best ones are hotel bars for out-of-town conferences. Also the airport baggage claim/waiting for a plane thing is about 10-15% hit rate if you’re a seasoned traveler (you have to size people up well).

    I also run day game at:
    – Coffee
    – Restaurants…. (you’ll see 2-3 women out… flirt secretly with one of them so that her “friends” don’t see it). You have to be very subtle.
    – Library
    – Legal crap that you inevitably get tangled in. Lawyers/paralegals….
    – moms @ kids school (trashy but it works)
    – bookstores
    – beaches (their with their kids… but no dad…)
    – former co-workers (i meet someone for lunch 3x every week -20% of them chicks)
    – wife friends (dangerous but works very well).. 2 have approached me.
    – gym (haven’t tried it)
    – overseas
    – wineries….

    There’s risk of getting busted in your/their social circle. Start out with innocuous lunch and flirt so you can deny.

    There’s some online sites that specialize in this sort of thing but they are essentially sausage parties. I’ve tried it and do okay at this – get a lead about 1x a week and about 1 in 3 turn into a face2face – and about 1/2 of those led to something….. not worth the time.

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  368. oh… i should add that I don’t really seek out married women… most of the women that I get from this aren’t… but as things move on … it inevitably comes up in confo that i’m in a complicated situation and the chicks in a similar situation are naturally more interested and free chicks move on….

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  369. JerrDogg

    oh… i should add that I don’t really seek out married women… most of the women that I get from this aren’t… but as things move on … it inevitably comes up in confo that i’m in a complicated situation and the chicks in a similar situation are naturally more interested and free chicks move on….

    You do know that you greatly increase your chances of being murdered by engaging in this behavior…

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  370. Possibly… that’s why I prefer out of towners.

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  371. Oh.. and “many” is 4 with f-closing. 1 more if you count separated for >1year (i.e. informally divorced). So it’s not like a century year or anything.

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  372. @ Welmer & Tood

    But HOW??? If the wife wants to be on the phone with her mother for 2 hours a day, exactly how will you regulate this? How will you prevent the MIL from visiting for a month?

    Let me give you some totally useless input, just because you started out talking about my marriage.

    1) I would think it weird, were I to see my parents more than a few times a year. Sorry, true story — I grew up overseas, and we saw the extended family at Christmas and in the summer…and holy crap, that was more than enough. I don’t expect that I will be on the same coast as my parents anytime soon, and, in the future, probably not in the same country. My family is close, but in that good way where we start to feel claustrophobic and crazy if we’re all up in each others’ business all the time. Or even 20% of the time.

    2) @ Tood: Um, yeah, what Welmer said. If your girl can’t go at least a week or two without talking to her mother for hours on the phone every day, then you need to find a new girlfriend. That’s just frickin’ weird.

    That said, I don’t think I’d be able to marry a guy who needed to be desperately close to his family all the time, either.

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  373. “They don’t hate their beta men – they PITY them.”

    @Jerr —

    Okay, but having sex with other random men *is* a form of hatred. When that gets discovered, the pain for the husbands will be intense, despite the fact that their wives claim not to hate them. Hatred is as hatred does — not words, really.

    “MILs feel – accurately – that they gain power when their daughters file for divorce. Many of them will therefore advise their daughters to do so. They can kite the former son-in-law by using the court system better than they ever could have while he was still married to their daughter.”

    @Welmer —

    That certainly can happen. I’ve seen it in more than one marriage. It’s a way for the in-law parents to reassert control over a situation.

    ” What do you think those 20% of men who refused to marry will be doing with the dissatisfied married women?”

    Indeed. You have your answer.

    I do think, though, that demographically, due to the continuing and increasing dominance of women in higher education, we’re going to see more, and not less, of the phenomenon of women not being able to find suitable men. That problem is really just beginning to hit now, and it seems pretty clear what the result will be: fewer marriages, more intense competition among educated women for the significantly fewer educated men, many educated women being forced to do without mates and either opting for single motherhood, or avoiding kids altogether and having casual sexual liaisons with men who are unsuitable as partners.

    The problems faced by our generation are going to seem mild compared to the phase that it is coming next, I think.

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  374. As a Canadian I’d like to think that our women have a better reputation internationally than American women — but unfortunately, when British people think of “Americans”, they include Canadians (Canada + USA = “America” whereas over here we think of “NORTH America” — Mexico excepted of course but that’s a different story).

    I think Canadian women suffer from the same personality defects as their counterparts from the USA. No wonder nobody can tell them apart.

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  375. LILGRL,

    Let me give you some totally useless input, just because you started out talking about my marriage.

    Shut up. You’re fat. Fatty fatty fat fat!

    In fact, your input isn’t just useless, you’re useless. In fact, you’re so useless that I will not direct another sentence at you after this one.

    No I won’t.

    You are a woman, therefore you are THE ENEMY!

    Like I said, this sentence is the last time I will address you, ever.

    Yup. The last time.

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  376. Why do you hate LILGIRL so much??

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  377. S.

    I don’t know too much about you, so I don’t hate you yet. But if you post more than 14 additional words, I have a good feeling that I’m going to hate YOU, too.

    I mean, look at that picture of your hand. FAT!
    Fatty fatty fat fat hand. You should stop soaking that hand in salt solutions, girl.

    You are THE ENEMY. So is LILBIGAZNGRL. That’s why I hate you.

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  378. on July 16, 2009 at 7:32 am SmartyJones

    Grandmother, who came from Eastern Europe had it right all along. Even though English was her third of four languages, she summed up American women in one word, “Spoiled.”

    The funny thing about Sarah Palin is she would make a great VP. Joe Biden hasn’t been right about anything on foreign policy since he sided with the Sandinista communists over the contras and Reagan with his pals John Kerry and Chris Dodd. Can anyone, anyone who might be VP today be worse than Joe Biden is now? Statistically, just about anyone would be better with little odds of giving away a federal bunker location and sticking his foot in his mouth every time. Sarah Palin would learn a great deal in the VP role but now will have to do so on the national stage herself. It’s doable. Her instincts are all in line with most Americans.

    Would most guys here chose to be with Sarah Palin or Lady Mourning? Do we even need to take a vote?
    LM has a funny habit of citing her parents and their “position” at “church” but she calls herself a wiccan and prefers to dance naked around a campfire with her pagan “sisters.” Funny how she’ll reach to her parents for cred.

    Part of the problem and a large part is that women have not only bought into the feminists nonsense of satisfying every selfish notion imaginable but that the “culture” not only endorses it but promotes it.
    Thus we have a larger problem that the urban slut is now being standardized throughout the country anywhere Cosmo or humanities majors are available.

    As we see this decay and the constant attack on the American mores that made this nation great, from the feminists below to the Obama and his Alinskyite marxist allies above, American men are fighting a battle on all fronts.

    And American single women and their government is my daddy and protector psychology are the primary cause for snuffing out the Clint Eastwood rugged American male, the guys who built this country and made it great.

    My grandmother had no formal upper education. Her wisdom over decades proved itself. Roissy is really on a roll here. Still don’t know how he’s pumping out the quality. But it’s great stuff and welcome.

    On the other hand I find the self-praise of banging married chicks unseemly, within one’s own social circle even more disturbing. But here in NYC, I’ve seen a few guys that are about as amoral as a lot of chicks. Narcissism runs deep in this society now and its poison even occupies the White House.

    Central and Eastern Europe, the great American “western” frontier indeed. Rock on cowboy.

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  379. In all my experience, including times when I ran with very hardass guys, it’s not high-T that makes an alpha male. It’s somethign I refer to as “leadership.” A balance of masculine and feminine qualities. A solid mix of athleticism and intelligence, boyish good looks and a man’s judgment, charm and aggrssion, self control and ambition.

    Shit!

    This is not a good thing for my glorious revolution!

    See, I need leaders to help the Betas (and Xi’s and Sigma’s) defeat the Alphas and women in a battle royale. And now you, PA, come along and rain on my sails, and take the wind out of my parade, by telling me that leaders are all Alphas.

    Fuck!

    Who will lead my glorious Beta revolution if all effective leaders are Alphas and therefore THE ENEMY?
    I can’t lead it, because I’m too busy alienating people.

    By the way, PA, you must be a fat bisexual bartender, and your wife is fat. Fatty fat fat fat!

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  380. Whiskey – Most women HATE HATE HATE beta males

    My earlier comment got posted by accident before I was done writing it. I was saying:

    So what. I HATE HATE HATE fat women. Why do you beat up on women for hating beta men but not on men for hating fat women?

    — As for Palin.

    A agree that she is not president-material, but is a great cultural icon.

    Palin is a feminist liberal; she’s raved about Title IX and blatehred on about ‘glass ceilings.’ She is also pro-immigration.

    In her position on issues, She is a better looking, slightly smarter GWB. Who was a disaster, a traitor, and the Left’s useful idiot.

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  381. Why do you beat up on women for hating beta men but not on men for hating fat women?

    All women are THE ENEMY.

    The betas will rise again!
    We cum over shells!

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  382. ahahah we cum over shells

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  383. on July 16, 2009 at 8:51 am SmartyJones

    Palin may be pro immigration, there’s nothing that details it I know of but she certainly is not pro illegal alien immigration.

    Obama and the socialists OTOH, are eager to make 20 million uneducated, Spanish speaking illegal aliens American citizens and bestow upon them the rights and benefits (to their imported extended families) all that the federal government can hand out to them.

    And ACORN will count their votes for Democrats whether they show up to vote or not.

    Goodbye Republic.

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  384. Not related but one of roissy’s favorite topics: Homeless man jailed for more than a year for failing to pay child support — despite the fact that the court and prosecutor knew he was not the biological father.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/court-knew-man-jailed-91036.html

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  385. Welmer:

    have you ever heard of the “Medical Hypotheses” journal?

    They invited me to write a piece for them concerning my chimera hypothesis. It’s a UK publication, but I’m not sure if they’re well-known over there.

    Have not heard of Medical Hypotheses journal, that I remember. Seems an unusual one. Have asked around for you, waiting for responses.

    But that hypothesis of yours was really fascinating to read! Learned quite a few new things. Would be a shame not to publish as it could provoke some clarifying research on this, as you seem to have highlighted some gaps.

    Know a good source for reading up on gender differences between brains? No, really, I haven’t come across this concept so far.

    Butters:

    http://www.ajc.com/news/court-knew-man-jailed-91036.html

    Well, he now has a home.

    Isn’t this some sort of human rights violation?

    S: that was AT, not AJ.

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  386. > Not on board with Whiskey’s linear/obsessive
    > assertions that testosterone is the sole measure
    > of a man’s appeal to the reptile behind a woman’s face.

    Absolutely agree. While women are attracted to very masculine men and perhaps moreso during their ovulation, I suspect that a “cute” guy will clean up faster than a NFL lineman type for reasons other than pure raw visual ‘gina tingle.

    Women’s evaluation of a man is complex and non-visual non-T cues are important. Testosterone is responsible for sexual dimorphism but I think is only but one component in predicting mate quality for both long and short term fucking.

    The fact is that in real life interactions, it is the Jon Edwards type of guy that will out charm pants off a girl compared to a UFC pro. Chicks are turned on but also afraid of big guys with muscles. Even for short term fucks.

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  387. Also, gorilla-level masculinity sires ugly girls. And daughter-quality calculation surely has to figure into a woman’s reproductive fitness instincts.

    A “cute” and smart, but also athletic and charismatic male is a better bet for giving a woman fit sons as well as fit daughters.

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  388. PA,

    Exactly. If only Brock Lesnars fathered children, the results in 4 generations would be a lot of very masculinzed women with very butch faces. The “delicate” beauties would be extinct for all practical purposes.

    Super macho cultures rarely produce Vivian Leigh or Olivia de Havilland-looking gentle-n’-sexy creatures. Have you ever seen a delicate looking-Samoan woman for instance?

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  389. “Are they so blind to the most basic facts of affirmative action, Title IX, and other overt, blatant leg-ups, like the Stimulus Bill Obama signed earlier this year (Feb) and which Nova himself blogged about (citing Christina Hoff Summer’s Weekly Standard piece, “No Country For Burly Men”), that specifically targets Women for aid, at Mens’ expense? Do they not see the parallels of the Child Support & Divorce/Family law systems, and the Welfare system-both have effectively marginalized Men?
    Are my White brothers so blind, so consumed w/racial animus, so beleagured by a Bunker Mentality, that they can’t even see what’s happening to them?”

    @Obsidian —

    Of course. The black community’s disintegration is a foreshadowing of what is coming in the white community, albeit more slowly.

    It’s impossible to predict the future. Some trend lines that we see leading to adverse outcomes will be sidetracked by events or phenomena that cannot now be foreseen. But barring those, current trends do indicate a lopsided educational demographic appearing in the white community that will rival the same that exists in the black community, and it’s hard to imagine a result that is much different: man white women will be without suitable mates, single motherhood will skyrocket while at the same time other women will either avoid relationships altogether, or opt for short term fun ones in light of the fact that they can’t find marriageable mates. It leads directly to a mess.

    At this point, that seems mostly unavoidable. Even if we were to aggressively go into the school system now, eliminate AA for women, restructure education to be more boy friendly and assertively promote the achievement of boys and young men, at least one generation and probably close to two generations are going to have a substantial gap in educational achievement between men and women, which will lead to the aforementioned problems.

    It’s true that women are disproportionately in health care, social services and education. But as the education gap expands, you can expect that to change a bit. Already women are surging in fields like law and medicine, and the only thing holding them back so far in my generation has generally been the desire for kids (which is the whole basis of things like the wage gap and the glass ceiling and so on). If many of the upcoming women simply decide kids are not in the cards, they will come to dominate these fields, too.

    The issue then becomes –> what do we do with all of the undesirable men? Somebody needs to actually do the work that keeps society running, after all, and we know that won’t be women, because they mostly don’t enter those lines of work. What will we do to keep these men engaged and doing what they do? We can teach them all Game, but seriously we know that most of them won’t be able to hack that. Do we give them sex bots? Do we neuter them, and if so, would that also sap their motivation?

    That’s where Reihan Salam, despite his many flaws, had a point: the main issue in the years ahead will be what the heck do we do with all the men out there who are being displaced and whom surging women view as human refuse?

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  390. Novaseeker –

    Of course. The black community’s disintegration is a foreshadowing of what is coming in the white community, albeit more slowly.

    Yup. For more proof just look below. The niggerfication of White suburban America continues apace:

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  391. PA

    Also, gorilla-level masculinity sires ugly girls.

    I disagree. Janet Jackson was fuckable. laToya, too – before she followed MJ’s surgery trip. Beyonce is ok if she lost 20

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  392. here’s a good link to why British males opinions are so ghastly – if they have to put up with these future female hellspawn – imagine how greater their contempt for american tang now appears.

    I’d send this to our resplendent host, but i don’t have the time

    The primary school prom queens: The 7-year-olds with £800 dresses, limos, make-up and fake tans.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/what-foreign-men-think-of-american-women/#comment-106475

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  393. @joe:

    Those girls can’t dance. Period.

    Most painful thing to watch ever.

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  394. This one is for O and chic noir:

    http://rightwingvideo.com/?p=2539

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  395. Mandy, you’re not human. Period.

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  396. chic noir wrote: “How can men want this^^^ and at the same time want a quality girl? If a woman is sleeping with random men after a few dates, how many partners will she have amassed over a lifetime?

    As a number of the male commenters have mentioned, once a woman hits a certain number, she loses her appeal.
    So what are women to do? I think, men can’t have it both ways.”

    If she was smart, she’d just keep that to herself. The only thing a woman needs to reveal, is if she has any STD’s. Other than that, then it’s no ones business. Maybe it’s just me, but I haven’t waited three dates for sex since my sophomore year of high school.

    Since when does having sex=a bad girlfriend/wife. Believe it or not, the women that have treated me the best have had a high number of partners (double digits). i think when men hear a high number they instantly think of the woman out there fucking anything and everything and has no sense of moral. Such men are naive, so why would you want to date them anyway?

    And I think it’d be hypocritical of me to have slept with a high number of women, and then scold my partner for having a high number of partners. As long as you aren’t giving me any STD’s and are loyal, I could give a shit about how many partners a woman has had.

    dana wrote: “chic assanova is a PUA and just wants to bang good looking women in numbers
    if im not mistaken

    men want to fuck bad girls and marry good ones, there used to be a VERY sharp delineation between the two

    the sexual revolution ramped up the sexual arms race so that even good girls had to fuck and suck and that threw the whole thing out of whack, no one knows what to do”

    Good looking women? Yes. Rack up numbers? Eh, not concerned with that. It’s not something that I intentionally set out to do. I’d rather have one girl that fucks me good, than many girls that are mediocre in bed.

    Also, someone wrote about beating women and a SWAT team. If you feel that you need to resort to violence with a woman, then you clearly chose a woman that doesn’t respect you in the first place, and why would any smart man become involved with a woman that doesn’t respect him? Just doesn’t make any sense to me.

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  397. With regards to female domination of a field, look at veterinarian medicine. It is female dominated. It has just as many graduates now as it did when male dominated and twice as many active vets. There is, though, now a shortage of vets for farm animals because women don’t want to do the work; it is too hard.

    Women vets also work fewer hours, drop to part time more often and retire earlier. So the shift from male dominated to female dominated results in a pretty drastic decrease in the number of active practitioners as the length of time of female domination of the field increases.

    Dark Ages 2.0!

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  398. “Notice how she objects to Dana’s words, and agreement with many male posters, because LR must be the center of attention and does not like intellectual rather than “I Feel” arguments. She wrongly puts flirting down as Dana’s modus operandi, when the internet removes that pretty much with finality.”

    Everything with women is ad hominem and psychobabble. i typed 100 content rich paragraphs with little personal referent and immediately requested any attempt at flirtation stop in deference to my marital status. women can’t see any human motivations but “jealousy” and attention whoring.

    i lurked here for a year until i determined the denizens were like-minded and i could talk to them

    i don’t care if they are male or female, i want to talk about race, iq, gender wars, divorce theft, war and HBD with smart people.

    Lr if, you are really 28 then you were 9 when i read sexual personae and really began thinking like this. i’ve not only had many more years of life experience than you, unlike the men here i spent MANY of those years AS a self deluded whore. your fascistic female false consciousness argument isn;t going to wash with me–i have more experience with women than ANY man, being one and unlike men i’ve never been swayed into joining their delusions by the power of the pussy

    i haven’t devoted my entire life to study of ideas to “play up” to some men in the blogosphere and i really hope when roissy eventually gets you to let him fuck you in the ass on cam he shares it with everyone here

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  399. when i go
    to heaven
    I want Dana
    to be my Dom

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  400. No man should care about a woman’s (sexual) past… just as he should not care about her future.

    We just want to know declaration of STDs and birth control used. That’s all. We want to sport fuck women. We don’t want to know women better, bring them home to meet parents/friends/relatives or marry them.

    Women = toilets. Some are dirtier than others. Some are exquisitely crafted and sitting pretty in a 5-star hotel. Nevertheless, a toilet is still a toilet, and has but only one use. When the need arises, we use the toilet, zip up and leave.

    That’s the way of the world. So sang EW&F many years back.

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  401. on July 16, 2009 at 11:39 am Seeking Alpha

    @ Assanova

    As long as you aren’t giving me any STD’s and are loyal, I could give a shit about how many partners a woman has had.

    And if a man had some sort of guarantee that a woman with a promiscuous past would be loyal, then I agree he probably wouldn’t care one way or another how many came before.

    But given that there are no guarantees in this world, we have to resort to probabilities.

    And if a woman with a promiscuous past is more likely to stray than a woman with a chaste past, then men are going to prefer the latter.

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  402. At the end of the day, it’s the laws of the land as opposed to the national origin of the woman. Sure a foreign woman brought up in a more patriarchal culture will be more resistant to the legal free for all, but if she lives for enough years here, she too will turn.

    No man should get married in the U.S.S.A. We don’t have “marriage” legally available anyway. What we have legally available is the bastardized version. Also known as Marriage 2.0:

    http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/eleven-strikes-against-marriage-2-0/

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  403. on July 16, 2009 at 11:47 am Seeking Alpha

    @ Puma

    One Sided Alimony: Ok so ex-spouse B got used to a certain standard of living, so we will make ex-spouse A pay alimony. Fine. But how about the things ex-spouse A got used to? Shouldn’t we have some sort of reverse payment by ex-spouse B in the form of weekly cleaning, a hot meal 7 nights a week, and “romantic companionship” services? How come one spouse is on the hook to provide something that the other was used to during the marriage, and not vice versa?

    Hilarious, and a good point. You got used to a weekly spa treatment and a new pair of shoes a month? Well I got used blowjobs and dinner. Let’s trade.

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  404. Dan: Women have a hold over other women via some things, the most powerful and striking being playing on maternal instincts and ensuing dynamics. Results in a loss of objectivity, yes. Depends on the woman, yes.

    [psychobabble, ahoy]

    Puma/SA: The ensuing arrangement means divorce is just giving to a charitable organisation of which the sole purpose is keeping lawyers in the lifestyle.

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  405. chris rock said that in “bring the pain”

    i think

    “your honor, i’m ACCUSTOMED to fuckin’ her four-five times a week–where my pussy payments?”

    something to that effect

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  406. @aoefe

    “That said I respond to thoughtful authority – not foolish attempts (Keith). ”

    And yet you keep addressing me, long after I ceased addressing you.

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  407. LOL! Yep Chris Rock was the source for that M2.0 strike:

    Chris Rock: When it’s time to get a divorce, women got it made. You go to court, start talkin’ that sh?t. “I’m used to this, I’m used to that. I’m accustomed to this.” What the fuck is accustomed? Whats that got to do with shit? You go to a restaurant, you accustomed to eatin’. You leave, you ain’t eatin’ no more. They don’t owe you a steak. What about what the man’s used to? It might not be money, but during the course of a relationship, a man grows accustomed to a few things. I would love to see a man go to court and say, “Your honor, check this out. I’m accustomed to fuckin’ her four times a week. Now I feel I should be able to fuck her at least twice a week. I mean she can have the alimony, but I want some pussy payments.”

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  408. on July 16, 2009 at 11:57 am not too late

    “It is single women who lack the intellect and maturity to participate in Democracy.”

    Single women lack a vested interest in fairness. They cannot make it without special privileges. That is what they vote for. Men like fairness because they can compete. Women can’t.

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  409. “Single women lack a vested interest in fairness.”

    Women, single women in particular, have an incredibly distorted view of what fairness looks like.

    Man: Let me see if I understand this correctly. You won’t work as much and you use more time off and you are demanding to get the same compensation as a man who works more per week and who takes fewer days off?

    Woman: That’s only fair! He does what he wants and I do what I want, therefore we should be paid the same!

    Man: Oh dear God…

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  410. @BK
    I’ve heard enslaving men to their ex-wives in the “best interests of the child”, but doing it in the “best interests of the horse” is very new. So she needs alimony, because she’d rather not work, and the reason she’d rather not work is because she is too attached to her horses, and would rather play with them during the weekday. Brilliant!

    @Bhetti
    You are right about “keeping lawyers in the lifestyle in which they are accustomed to”. Read up to page 5 of this article. This is exactly what is happening:

    http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/till_death_do_us_pay/

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  411. not too late: Is there available proper analyses of female voting psychology?
    Is it:
    a) she thinks whoever she’s voting for is alpha
    b) she’s going boo-yah on what she might call her rights, others may call unfair special privileges.
    c) other factors like sympathy to PETA.
    d) some combination of the above: do they contradict each other?

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  412. on July 16, 2009 at 12:17 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “The black community’s disintegration is a foreshadowing of what is coming in the white community, albeit more slowly.”……………………………………………

    Slowly???

    Its on an equal footing right now and has been for a long time.

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  413. on July 16, 2009 at 12:22 pm not too late

    Joe,

    I clicked on the video of the dancing cheerleaders and my 3 year old came over and started yelling, “I don’t like it! Turn it off, Turn it off, I don’t like it.”

    Unbiased opinion.

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  414. @ Dana

    “our fascistic female false consciousness argument isn’t going to wash with me..”

    That’s the best summation on Lady Mourning yet. Coming from a woman with its brevity all the more powerful.

    RespecK!

    It’s pretty cool when the pretty lies perish and the peeling is done by the posters along with the host.

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  415. on July 16, 2009 at 12:29 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “Obama and the socialists OTOH, are eager to make 20 million uneducated, Spanish speaking illegal aliens American citizens and bestow upon them the rights and benefits (to their imported extended families) all that the federal government can hand out to them.”

    There is a big benefit here for us in the form of low wage domestic help. I have seen in South Asia that running a home and family is made much easier with the help of not only extended family, but of cheap domestic labor. Many South Asian middle class families keep a “house boy” or “house girl” who lives with them and oversees everything, and at the same time hires out for daily housecleaning as well. I am talking the middle class here, not the rich. The rich would have even more domestic help available.

    In a country with no real family help, cheap domestic labor is a godsend and we should welcome it. New moms, working moms, women suffering from PPD….. all could use domestic help. Single dads as well.

    The problem with us is we are seeing the cup half empty rather than half full. Illegal immigrants need employment and we need domestic help and nannies.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the two…..

    Duh.

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  416. Nova,
    Yes, I’ve read your piece on Salam, though I’ve yet to read his entire article. But what you covered gives enough of the gist of things to make the points clear. And I’m not surprised that he’s either incapable or simply uninterested in answering your question: what do we do w/the Males?

    I personally think Game, while important, is only one piece of the puzzle. We simply cannot get around the fact that we’re losing too much talent, be it on the streets of our inner cities (as depicted in The Wire, for example), or out in the suburbs and perhaps even worse, our rural areas. We’re potentially losing entire generations of boys and young men here, for good.

    If indeed Black America is the canary in the mine, then the answer to your question may already be known-the likelihood of greater numbers of prisons being built is all but certain, because as Lionel Tiger put it so well, you either have Inlaws or Outlaws.

    Perhaps what’s most striking to me about this whole ball of wax, is the near total breakdown of our civil cohesion as a society. I’m not entirely sure its something related to The New Grrl Order or not…but I can see how we’ve fractured as a society. It used to be a time when we all had a shared sense of purpose, pride, destiny. Now, all that seems to exist is a sense of individual accomplishment, über alles.

    And such a thing can’t be sustainable for long.

    I think the collapse of our way of life, is close at hand-within my lifetime, I’m afraid. In Black America, there are two distinct halves-ones who got lucky, and those who weren’t. And the sad part is that one isn’t all too interested in stopping the bleeding, rhetorically and literally, of the other side. Black America itself used to be much more cohesive, and was able to make much better use of its Men. That’s not much the case anymore. And that is truly sad.

    O

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  417. Women, single women in particular, have an incredibly distorted view of what fairness looks like.

    Married women ain’t much better.

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  418. @assanova
    wow, you have an enlightened and really liberal POV on women and their sex lives. which i think is pretty awesome.

    @dana
    lol @ the chris rock example is too funny. the man is on point when it comes to social issues.

    actually, i appreciate your objectivity. can be maddening for some (i guess it’s unexpected from a female), but it makes for some interesting reading.

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  419. dreamer

    please explain what is “maddening” to you about seeing a woman with an alternative viewpoint

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  420. ma faute, maddening for “some” failed to read closely

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  421. on July 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “”energy (drill baby drill)””……………..

    Not renewable.

    Re: having lots of kids one after the other. I know women who have done it and they are a wreck. It ruins your body and your mind. Having PPD and carrying ANOTHER load is hell. Basically if you stay pregnant over a 10 year period you will have 10 years of PPD.

    Besides, what man can afford all this? The kids, the nannies, the doctors, the doulas, etc. And what man can afford all that AND the alimony and child support that WILL come when your oldest is 16 and your youngest is 6 months.

    The best advice for American women and men right now is:
    DO NOT GET MARRIED.

    Who the hell is even thinking of getting married here?

    You need to be shot!

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  422. “It used to be a time when we all had a shared sense of purpose, pride, destiny. Now, all that seems to exist is a sense of individual accomplishment, über alles.”

    The understanding of the individual may have changed. With the shared sense of purpose, for example, there was a common purpose, but it was you, as an individual, who was responsible for accomplishing your part. So you would have both an individual sense of accomplishment as well as a shared one.

    The newer individualism is atomistic. You have no actual responsibilities to anything unless it fills some whim or want. The “common” is not common in any traditional usage any longer, but instead a sort of coalition bent on getting atomisticly individual benefits by demanding someone else give it to you, creating an obligation for someone else while having none yourself.

    Just a thought.

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  423. on July 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’on July 16, 2009 at 11:20 am Firepower
    when i go
    to heaven
    I want Dana
    to be my Dom””””””’

    Her not trying to make people want to fuck her campaign is still not working.

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  424. @Obsidian, cptnapalm —

    There’s also a vastly different level of trust between *men*. The kind of trust that leads to cooperation, which in turn blunts the kind of atomistic self-focus that we see today.

    This lack of trust and cooperation is a direct result of the sexual revolution, really. Enforced monogamy was, as much as it was anything else, a pact of trust and cooperation among men. It builds that trust and cooperation. When monogamy is removed and female sexuality is given freer reign, that trust between men decreases (men poaching each other’s women as we see celebrated on these threads, sadly), and cooperation between men either lessens greatly or grinds to a halt.

    This has been happening in our society for some time — second wave feminism simply accelerated the process that was already taking place before. One men’s poster has noted that you can judge, roughly, the degree to which male cooperation and trust has broken down by assessing the way women are dressing. That is, when you observe that women are dressing sexually provocatively in the open, you can pretty comfortably conclude that trust levels and cooperation levels among men are low, because these women are dressing that way to compete with each other for the small number of men that *they* would choose to mate/partner with, when given free reign. That, in turn, means that monogamy is relatively weak, and the pact between men has become much weaker — lower levels of trust and cooperation.

    Under those conditions, it’s understandable why you see people adopting an “every man for himself” attitude: the social institutions that created high levels of trust and cooperation among men have come undone.

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  425. …And good thoughts they are, Capt. Napalm. Very well put.

    I think this decade will show us just what such thinking has gotten us-the subprime crisis, the fall of GM & Chrysler, the Maddoff and related ripoffs, Enron, etc, et al-none of it was proven to be sustainable, all of which were built on abstract/theoretical models that couldn’t be realized, and the whole thing came crashing down under its own weight. Meanwhile, millions of otherwise good people get caught in the mix.

    My hope is that good people will begin to see what’s happening around them and start asking some hard questions, of themselves, those around them, leaders of every stripe. And I hope that it won’t take another decade like the last one to get real solutions, ones that truly lifts all boats, moving.

    O

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  426. on July 16, 2009 at 1:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””Puma
    At the end of the day, it’s the laws of the land as opposed to the national origin of the woman. Sure a foreign woman brought up in a more patriarchal culture will be more resistant to the legal free for all, but if she lives for enough years here, she too will turn.

    No man should get married in the U.S.S.A. We don’t have “marriage” legally available anyway. What we have legally available is the bastardized version. Also known as Marriage 2.0:

    http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/eleven-strikes-against-marriage-2-0/””””””””””””’

    I also think that is a big part of it. Take away the laws woman act like actual woman not cartoon woman with superpowers.

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  427. Bhetti, very sharp view of British girls.

    Keep in mind that the girls in London are not representative of British girls in general. You can easily live in this city for years without ever dating a British girl.

    A few observations to add…

    British girls don’t take care of themselves (the teeth issue isn’t a big deal.. but I rarely hesitate when going down on American girls, with British girls I do my reconnaisance more dilligently). Whatever shortcomings American girls might have, they take better care of their appearance than any other nationality (perhaps symptomatic of a deeper malaise).

    British girls often lack feminity, but in a very different way from Americans, who incongruously ape an aggressive shit-testing masculinity. British girls indulge in more laddish behaviour: drinking marathons, dressing up in ridiculous ways, flashing their arses, generally behaving badly.

    That said, there are some stunning specimens out there. The betatude and immaturity of British men relative to their American cousins makes the 8-9s easier targets over here. Bitch shields are markedly lower; a well-crafted neg is usually very effective. Even American betas will try to neg on occasion (albeit clumsily), in Britain they’re much rarer (the closest thing is the very British teasing mentioned by someone earlier).

    And while I’m sure the slut quotient is similar to any other Western country, the expectation of exclusivity in relationships is more deeply ingrained than across the Atlantic – making for better LTR prospects.

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  428. Gunslingergregi

    ”””’on July 16, 2009 at 11:20 am Firepower
    when i go
    to heaven
    I want Dana
    to be my Dom””””””’

    Her not trying to make people want to fuck her campaign is still not working.

    she’ll just have to kvetch it out of us.
    she’s a JAP ya know

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  429. Bhetti said, ,“Some basic, important duties encapsulated in religion are more important than ambitious oaths in religion’s name.”

    May be that is the most concise summary of being conservative, except that the last few words should be “…ambitions oaths in any name.”

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  430. on July 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””Come again? They didn’t even have any kids, and he’s still being hit like this!?

    I do believe that alimony is appropriate under certain circumstances, such as when one parent has made substantial career sacrifices in order to be the primary caregiver for the couple’s children, and upon divorce their incomes are very unequal because of these sacrifices. What has this woman done that merits this lavish alimony? She didn’t give up anything to raise kids, had only worked part-time to begin with, and has apparently had most of a decade to do very little–no wage work and no childcare.

    Perhaps the most outrageous line in the story is this:

    Judge Segal said: ‘In any event, the wife does not want a 9-to-5 job, because this would not give her enough time with her horses…’

    Let me get this straight–she shouldn’t have to work because she doesn’t want to?!””””””””

    Yea umm game in bk england all fucked up. Now a bitches horses are good for child support too. hahahahaahahah

    Tear

    Drops

    Down

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  431. on July 16, 2009 at 1:17 pm SmartyJones

    @ thee Obsidian

    Hey did you just initiate an old battle from an old thread just now along the lines of race baiting? Do you really need to do that? Don’t you have more background on HPD that you feel a strong need to delineate here?

    Don’t know what it is about the Philly area, but that’s probably one of the most least peaceful racial areas. As a kid I went to a private school there and the racial clashes were pretty strong. Then the white flight ended it but the suburbs became the next battleground I guess. Wyncote and Cheltenham and those wannabe elitists across Bucks County have retained a lot of anger from the old Philly I imagine.

    But it serves no purpose especially here. At least not on the main topic. Really don’t like seeing this on either side. Did see a lot of racism as a kid in Philly but thought maybe things got better as in the New York/NJ area there seems to be less of this old time confrontation.

    As for the fatty and the black dudes infactuation with, I’ll put it short and sweet, “I remember mama.”

    Just don’t go beating up mama O.

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  432. on July 16, 2009 at 1:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Puma
    @BK
    I’ve heard enslaving men to their ex-wives in the “best interests of the child”, but doing it in the “best interests of the horse” is very new. So she needs alimony, because she’d rather not work, and the reason she’d rather not work is because she is too attached to her horses, and would rather play with them during the weekday. Brilliant!”””””””’

    That is cool thing about this blog we break news before it happens.

    Racer was just talking about beatiality.

    lol

    This chick probably stopped fucking her man when she started fucking the horses. The guy was prob too embarrassed to bring it up.

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  433. on July 16, 2009 at 1:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””A Perfect 10 – FPUA
    “Obama and the socialists OTOH, are eager to make 20 million uneducated, Spanish speaking illegal aliens American citizens and bestow upon them the rights and benefits (to their imported extended families) all that the federal government can hand out to them.”

    There is a big benefit here for us in the form of low wage domestic help. I have seen in South Asia that running a home and family is made much easier with the help of not only extended family, but of cheap domestic labor. Many South Asian middle class families keep a “house boy” or “house girl” who lives with them and oversees everything, and at the same time hires out for daily housecleaning as well. I am talking the middle class here, not the rich. The rich would have even more domestic help available.

    In a country with no real family help, cheap domestic labor is a godsend and we should welcome it. New moms, working moms, women suffering from PPD….. all could use domestic help. Single dads as well.

    The problem with us is we are seeing the cup half empty rather than half full. Illegal immigrants need employment and we need domestic help and nannies.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the two…..

    Duh.”””””””””””””””

    lol yea but then they take your job too lol ask bhetti about that he he he

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  434. [email protected] Obsidian
    I have to agree w/ your analysis on LR and dana.

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  435. Dana
    Hmmm… you are extremely defensive. If you stepped down from that defensiveness you would see that I was attempting to agree w/ you and see from your POV, instead of attacking as others have done.

    I was saying that your viewpoints may be maddening to some, because they are unexpected from a female.

    I was not saying that it was maddening to me.

    No internet commentary will ever be maddening to me. This is just a way for me to occasionally to read and think about what others are saying on a topic that interests me, male/female relations.

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  436. dreamer, since you agree with it, perhaps you can give me a short, readable summary of it that makes coherent sense, because i could barely understand it

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  437. Bhetti

    But that hypothesis of yours was really fascinating to read! Learned quite a few new things. Would be a shame not to publish as it could provoke some clarifying research on this, as you seem to have highlighted some gaps.

    I really would like to see some research into the idea.

    Know a good source for reading up on gender differences between brains? No, really, I haven’t come across this concept so far.

    Simon LeVay would be a good source to start with.

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  438. @Bhetti:

    I had a Bible study with a friend about what you mentioned, and we essentially concluded that there is nothing wrong with celibacy (in the Bible) to focus on God’s work, as long as one is able to contain lust and sin in the process.

    Marriage is about coming closer to God with another person (think like a triangle, or a pyramid), and is used to remove from this sin. Ultimately, burning in passion, lust, and sin is terrible, which is why marriage is reasonable, and why celibacy is difficult for all but a few.

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  439. @Dana
    OK- I see that you understood what I was saying! I also had to do a double take. Ah, keeping up with the commentary is not easy here. Speaks wonders to Roissy’s blog.

    No probs then here 🙂

    And enough commenting for me for the day.

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  440. dreamer

    i responded twice, with a caveat i misread you

    “dana
    dreamer

    please explain what is “maddening” to you about seeing a woman with an alternative viewpoint

    on July 16, 2009 at 12:44 pm dana
    ma faute, maddening for “some” failed to read closely”

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  441. “I had a Bible study with a friend about what you mentioned, and we essentially concluded that there is nothing wrong with celibacy (in the Bible) to focus on God’s work,”

    @Mandy XD —

    Yeah that’s a common interpretation of Paul, but I don’t read him that way. Paul was clearly making a hierarchy of celibacy is best, but if you can’t hack it, then by all means get married because that’s better than engaging in sin because of your passions. But I don’t read him as tying it to “God’s work”. He tells a widow, for example, that she would be better off if she did not remarry, but remained celibate, without regard to her life work. Paul was talking about celibacy as a spiritual practice, really, and clearly placed it on a higher plane. This is why monks had so much respect in the church for so long — Paul basically said celibacy was better, and marriage was for the weak who could not hack celibacy. People don’t like that message, so they’ve tried to hem in Paul, and make what he said only apply to a few people, but Paul actually never says that. He does imply that some people can’t manage it, but he never really says “celibacy is for a precious few people”.

    Not that I’m advocating what Paul says in 1 Cor 7, but I just think it’s a bit of a rosy interpretation (albeit a common one) that he intends celibacy to be for the few.

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  442. “If you indeed are so repulsed by Blacks, then why not move to a part of the country where there are nothing but White folks?”

    An easy enough retort to this would be: why should she have to run away?

    While on basic topic of racial flight, whites moved to the suburbs to get away from blacks. Blacks flee black crime and move to suburbs, but they also flee Hispanics. Where do those blacks go as they are not typically wealthy enough to head for the suburbs?

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  443. @novaseeker:

    We weren’t just looking at Paul, though.

    We also reviewed Matthew 19:10-12, although I’m still open to discussing it. I’m not sure if our interpretation is that good.

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  444. Capt. Napalm,
    And yet another simple retort to your comment would be, “but, so what? Its never stopped White folks from moving before.” The point being, that when Whites want to relocate, they simply do so, sans all the FEMALE-style talk that Dana does. They simply DO it.

    And again, Boise, De Moines, Fargo, Butte, these are virtually all White areas, free from crime, taxes are low, etc. Heck, the same can be said for Alaska. I know if I felt the same way Dana did, it would be a no brainer-I’m outta here, to one of those spots mentioned, or like very close to it. In the USA, there are many, and there’s no reason why no one can do better if they really want to.

    O

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  445. Obsidian – another option is for blacks to stop behaving in ways that makes people (ALL people) want to live as far away from them as possible. I’m not just talking about crime either.

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  446. @Mandy XD —

    Indeed.

    I’ve always felt a slight contradiction between those two passages. The way I have reconciled that is through seeing Paul as kind of a riff on what Mt 19 says. Mt 19 is glib (but pithy), whereas Paul is pretty specific. As a practical matter, I think Paul was writing thinking that the house of cards was going to crash very soon, which influences what he says in Cor, and probably justifies a reading of it which limits what he is saying for people who live today. I think that’s fair enough, but I don’t think it’s what Paul was actually saying at the time. Probably a minor point of exegesis really, I think.

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  447. SmartyJones,
    Philly has indeed been a hotbed of racial tension going way back in more modern history, say that past 50-60 years to present. However, it also produced quite a few notable Black Freedman, such as William Still.

    I’m not sure I follow w/your comment about my supposed race-baiting being brought forward from another thread. Please explain?

    And as for the supposed infatuation btw Black Men and overweight White Women, I simply say: none of my business, to each their own.

    O

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  448. here is what i wrote:

    Everything with women is ad hominem and psychobabble. i typed 100 content rich paragraphs with little personal referent and immediately requested any attempt at flirtation stop in deference to my marital status. women can’t see any human motivations but “jealousy” and attention whoring.

    i lurked here for a year until i determined the denizens were like-minded and i could talk to them

    i don’t care if they are male or female, i want to talk about race, iq, gender wars, divorce theft, war and HBD with smart people.

    Lr if, you are really 28 then you were 9 when i read sexual personae and really began thinking like this. i’ve not only had many more years of life experience than you, unlike the men here i spent MANY of those years AS a self deluded whore. your fascistic female false consciousness argument isn;t going to wash with me–i have more experience with women than ANY man, being one and unlike men i’ve never been swayed into joining their delusions by the power of the pussy

    i haven’t devoted my entire life to study of ideas to “play up” to some men in the blogosphere and i really hope when roissy eventually gets you to let him fuck you in the ass on cam he shares it with everyone here

    obsidian, point to a single name i called rain–and don’t point to my characterization of her false consciousness argument, because that is not calling a PERSON a name

    rain: where did i say you were jealous? or that i was flirting or that i based my whole worldview on one book like the bible? i said i read a book and STARTED thinking a certain way

    neither of you can read–it’s that simple

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  449. “But so what?” isn’t actually a retort to the question.

    “Why don’t you move?”
    “Why should I?”
    “But so what?”

    Not a retort.

    What follows, the “you would be happier somewhere else for these reasons” part is an answer. Whether or not it is a sufficient reason to move is left to the other person to decide.

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  450. Capt. Napalm,
    Look, we can split hairs for days here, but the bottomline is that when Whites want to move, they move. Period. All the bitching and moaning Dana does-and at the end of the day that’s what it is-means nothing. Like she’s dropping some kind of bombshell or something-like Black folk don’t know that there are quite a few of Whites, Jews included, who don’t like them.

    So?

    If Dana really was as “Male-directed” as she presents herself, she’d be about actually doing something that by her own admission is the bane of her existence. Its really simple: since Jim Crow is NEVER coming back, and since Black folk are NEVER gonna go back to Africa, she can either suck it up and stay where she is, move her ass to where there aint nothin’ but White folks for miles and miles, or keep bitchin’ and moanin’ about dem Darkies and how they’re screwing up her life.

    Now, which here sounds like the most female course of action?

    O

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  451. on July 16, 2009 at 2:49 pm SmartyJones

    @ Thee Obsidian

    Hey man, you know what I’m talking about. You don’t need to get into another racial flame war with girlfriend.

    As for Philly, I went back several times over the years. Once was for an international debate at UPenn and then as a favor for a priest who had moved to Philly from New York who I owed big and did some employment seminars.

    Anyway, while strolling by myself in between some sessions I walked past an older black man standing on the street. There was a church nearby and he may have been a member. He gave a warm greeting and I did in kind. Years of memories of kids in standoffs went away in an instant and I was really happy about that. Even as much as the results of the debate.

    When I went back to the John Neuman Shrine for these seminars, I drove just outside of the central city area that is all built up. The sense of industrial past and economic stagnation was really strong. I felt so bad for those people that call it home and are trying to make an existence.

    Such good people who are just trying to figure out a way not up the ladder but to get by.

    As for illegal immigration, they already have a nanny program where you can hire people from many countries at very cheap costs. These are live in types and I met a girl last year from Brazil here on just such a visa.

    To attempt to justify is foolish as it creates an underclass that is operating against the interests of the nation and the people who work under such conditions. No taxes or social security are paid and it’s more often than not slave labor.

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  452. Wasn’t splitting hairs; what you wrote didn’t make any sense.

    “Black folk are NEVER gonna go back to Africa”

    And Hispanics are never going back to Mexico and the rest of Central America.

    Blacks run from them, moving to where the Whites are. Whites pick up and move away. Hispanics move in. Blacks pick up and move where the Whites went.

    There isn’t an infinite amount of land to run away to.

    Jim Crow isn’t coming back. This is true and not a cause for lamentation.

    But if we split up geographically, then let me be the first to say “Welcome to New Balkans!” Meet you on the battlefields?

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  453. …that is all

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  454. obs

    do ever read anything but the first line of what someone else types?

    i never said one word to or about lady rain

    she then felt the need to type this:

    “You know what, I’ve held my tongue thus far but Dana could you possibly be MORE desperate to play to the men here? Agreeing with some things they say is one thing, but it sure seems like you have a stereotypical and uneducated view of women as a whole. I’d guess you were raised in a family of mostly brothers and didn’t have a very feminine mom, either.”

    and i am just taking shots at her?

    thats it, you can’t read and i’m trying

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  455. Capt. Napalm,
    I’m not an expert on the matter, but I understand that Black Californians, particularly those living in Los Angeles, are indeed beginning to leave, due to the massive influx of Mexicans and the tensions that arise among the two groups. My understanding is that for the most part, Blacks aren’t going to Boise or DesMoines, they’re headed for places like Houston or even Louisana. Now, perhaps you’ve followed the situation much closer than I, and welcome any input from you on this. But insofar as I know, Black folk by & large don’t follow Whites around. Most African Americans in the country are concentrated in the Old Southern states. Whites are throughout the country. Wouldn’t it make sense for Blacks to move into areas of the country that are cheaper, etc, since they’re densely White populated?

    See what I’m saying here?

    For the record, I’m for securing the borders militarily and putting a moratorium on ALL immigration into the USA until we can sort the illegal Mexican issue out.

    O

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  456. SmartyJones,
    If you don’t mind my asking, what line of work were you in at the time you visited Philly for the seminars etc? You mentioned doing work w/churches, etc. Sounds interesting, and the reason why I ask is because I’m investigating some things myself for the upcoming future.

    Anyway, yea, I hear ya w/you know who. But she’s irritating like a rectal itch. She doesn’t bring anything meaningful to the discussion, at all. Just cranky this, bitchy that, moan, groan, etc. All couched in highbrow, “scientific” terminology. It done got old a deace or three ago. She really need to stop.

    Btw, don’t know if you heard, but apparently there’s a case brewing just outside of Philly about a swimming pool and some Black kids? I don’t have all the details because I’m out of town at the moment, but just goes to show that Philly’s far from truly being the City of Brotherly Love.

    O

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  457. Something I forgot about, although how I don’t know: there are two overwhelmingly white areas. The liberal white areas, which are too expensive for blacks to move there in large numbers (or, in San Francisco’s case, have become so) and the more conservative areas which are low tax, etc.

    Considering the average black man and woman’s opinions of conservatives, that doesn’t appear to be any deterrence to moving where they are (state wise, if not neighborhood wise). I do remember seeing something to the effect that conservative cities tend to be far less de facto racially segregated than liberal cities, but as a city becomes more liberal it is echoed in increased segregation.

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  458. @dana:

    Because it seems people have been piling on top of you recently, I am going to say that despite your brusque and harsh attitude, you don’t deserve all of it. I don’t see jealousy in your posts, but I could see how someone would call you an attention-whore, simply because your opinions do clash with some of the ones on here and are bound to gain you some attention.

    However, you are not seeking it.

    From what I understand, you are just trying to share ideas and converse about different topics here. Which is all right.

    The negativity that seems to emanate from your posts is off-putting on my part, mainly because I’m young and irrationally optimistic. I don’t like your constant berating of the female gender; it almost seems as though you hate being a woman. Ultimately, however, I think you’ll be doing a disservice if you stop posting here.

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  459. on July 16, 2009 at 4:28 pm SmartyJones

    @ Thee Obsidian
    Managed a technology consulting firm with a full time placement arm to go with a consulting division.
    But these seminars were very basic as we’re talking about people with high school level skills who need to understand better how to go out navigate in an area where those level jobs have more competition.

    Heard about the pool case albeit very briefly and would expect that if it can be portrayed as racism it will get more ink. The media loves those stories. More often than not, it’s the media fanning the flames with their misrepresentation of facts.

    NYC is probably ahead of Philly because the interaction at all levels is much greater. Philly is probably ahead of some other areas of the country or a mirror in certain respects.

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  460. Puma: that was a painful read.

    Mandy:

    I had a Bible study with a friend about what you mentioned, and we essentially concluded that there is nothing wrong with celibacy (in the Bible) to focus on God’s work, as long as one is able to contain lust and sin in the process.

    This fits in with the original context of the discussion, which is that one cannot have it all.

    I was aware of this but it seems like in some cases (or all re: novaseeker) celibacy is celiberated in Christianity but the impressions I get from Islam is that it is anathema i.e. everyone must have children if they can. Fun difference!

    I want Kamal’s input on this.

    Welmer: Thank you!

    Gunny: All Your Jobs Are Belong to Us.

    Lady Rain:

    That wasn’t what I was pointing out (considering that Aoefe and Bhetti are big flirts, no offense ladies) why would I only something to you?

    Oh Gosh, this does actually make me embarrassed.

    Caligula: Glad I was on point, but you were very illuminating.

    Keep in mind that the girls in London are not representative of British girls in general. You can easily live in this city for years without ever dating a British girl.

    You’re telling me. I had to carefully screen in my head which specimens counted as British.

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  461. SmartyJones,
    Yes, it sounds like you were doing some variant of “job readiness skills” stuff, which I think is very good. But at the same time, I also think its a telling commentary of just how much we as a society have failed to train the next generation of people coming up in the basics of jobhunting and interviewing. The public schools, those in the cities anyway, aren’t teaching anything truly relevant to those kids’ worlds, and we all know it, and what’s more, so do those kids. And while many contend that one of the reasons why there such high turnover of teachers in public schools, I personally think another major reason is due to the ugly fact that the teachers know that they’re not preparing these kids for life beyond highschool. Its a sham all the way around, and some people can stomach it for only so long.

    As you know, I’ve talked about The Wire series a good bit here of late. I do because it really puts things into context, beyond the pat, easy, “Dana-style”, if I can put it like that, explanations for why we see what we see.

    David Simon, a veteran Baltimore Sun reporter, made a powerful point earlier this year on Bill Moyers’ Journal, the transcript of which is readily available online: he said that everyone knows that our current American society doesn’t need about 15% of its population; they are effectively obsolete. He says people at just about every level of government knows this, from the schools to the police, to city hall and the media, but no one has to guts to openly say it. Partly because, well, jobs are on the line, but another reason is because of just plain cowardice. Simon suggests that much of what we see in America’s inner cities are those “obsolete” 15 percenters, and he says, the kids who makeup that group, they get it. They know what’s going on.

    What a sham. What a shame.

    O

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  462. O: I’m the one who calls her Dan. With the view of LR above, it seems I’ve been officially conflated with aoefe.

    Aoefe: Hi, awesome alter ego!

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  463. Hey Bhetti, my bad. Apologies to Aoefe too if she’s reading along.

    Yea, I suppose the two of you are similar.

    O

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  464. @Bhetti:

    That is true.

    Catholicism has seven sacraments, and it’s impossible to fulfill all seven.

    You can’t fulfill the sacrament of the Holy Order AND get married.

    It’s different to Protestants though.

    Islamic culture always interested me in World History. That was a few years ago, though. But, for some reason, the Middle East has always captured my attention.

    and regarding you and aoefe:

    I definitely don’t think that you two are flirts.

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  465. @dana:

    “i have no intention of not posting here unless roissy developes a problem with it, it’s his blog”

    Exactly what I said when some people had problems with my age on here.

    “its really very simple–some high t women view men as quarry or competition and hate them, others identify with them and see the same things they do”

    You don’t have to be a high-t female to get along with members of the male gender better than the female gender.

    My friendgroup is probably something like 25% female and 75% male.

    Interestingly enough, although you find me neutral, I’d probably ally myself with you IRL. Just because I find you to be more honest than most. I know what to expect.

    Less drama.

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  466. bingo mandy 🙂

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  467. LILGRL

    @ Firepower

    be sure to include a chapter on “How To Protect Your Author’s Royalties with a Pre-Nup!”

    I love the title. I may just include it.

    All credit,
    of course, to
    you.

    how sweet. you’re really the most generous AZN girl I know out of bed

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  468. i’m not surprised no one was able to figure out the female blogger i referenced in this post. there are so many slutty female bloggers in DC it’d be tough to narrow it down.

    I love PA:
    …that is all

    don’t we all. PA is the most consistently correct commenter on this blog.

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  469. on July 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm SmartyJones

    @ Thee Obsidian
    Don’t discount the 15% theory but didn’t Obama appear in Michigan yesterday. It’s even worse and will get worse there. They will easily exceed 15% unemployment in short order.

    It’s correct to say that these life skills are not taught in high school however they aren’t taught in college either. So it’s a life issue that is overlooked and people are forced to learn how to cope on their own. There’s a great deal of professionalism that is helpful in that process. In this economy moreso.

    Really dislike Bill Moyers though. He has made a lot of money using the public airwaves pushing his liberal line of thought. He shouldn’t be profiting like that. But I don’t discount the writer’s point.

    How do these people fit into society when manufacturing jobs are disappearing and 20 million illegal aliens are taking jobs at slave labor wages they would normally perform?

    It’s a sorry state of our Republic and it’s getting and going to get worse. Praise Obama!

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  470. PA (Polish Alpha?) for the win! Always an honest pleasure to read. His successful reproduction has been a matter of great rejoicing. Of course, we are expecting a lot more propagation of his genetic material.

    Go, PA!

    Mandy:

    and regarding you and aoefe:

    I definitely don’t think that you two are flirts.

    I’m sure I am. Absolutely terrible. Although… I think I’ve been doing it with the women these days?!?!

    Did you not see aoefe obediently posting cute ponytail pics for my Doug?!

    HOW IS THAT NOT FLIRTING??

    aoefe: stop being hot. I know you can’t. Nevermind.

    dana: you being sympatico with aoefe was unexpected.

    http://defaultuserblog.wordpress.com/ who was it that wondered what happened to Default User? It does makes me vaguely emo that there is no mention of me. I realise I wasn’t around so it shouldn’t.

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  471. Personally, I hate you all. 😉

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  472. on July 16, 2009 at 6:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Don’t hate kalliope maybe you will get some dick one day lol

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  473. Aww gunny, why are you attributing my crankiness to lack of dick?

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  474. Honestly, I like everyone. The chick fighting is just stressing me out.

    I went to grade school with mean girls. I’d usually be hiding under a desk with a book while they were scrapping it out. Never been much of a fighter, verbal or otherwise.

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  475. on July 16, 2009 at 6:32 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Hey Obs…you can argue with dana all you like, as I perfectly understand why you would be up in arms over some statements she’s made regarding blacks..

    …but please, no need to whiteknight (or should I say “blackknight” lol) on LR’s behalf!

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  476. wow lady

    if you burst a blood vessel can you do it on cam?

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  477. PA is the most consistently correct commenter on this blog.

    PA is definitely good but I thought Dave from Hawaii would win that title hands down.

    [editor: DfH is good too, but PA comments a lot more so his rate of correctness is all the more impressive.]

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  478. um lr

    i didnt say ONE SINGLE WORD TO YOU, let alone berate you

    at all

    i dont even read your posts

    you have nothing to say

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  479. on July 16, 2009 at 6:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    Because it is guys responsibility to fuck his woman on their period well and every other day. Makes pms not happen.

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  480. I cannot let the hating on the Mother-in-Law pass. Even in Japan, it’s a cliche – especially since the eldest son’s wife was expected to move in with his parents. The eldest son inherits, so that’s part of the deal.

    Anyway, my Mother-in-Law was a survivor of the Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima. You can guess how excited she was to see her youngest daughter marry an American and go live in the US. She was never less than totally gracious and generous to me. This is not the norm.

    My mother would have kept my wife and voted me out of the family if we ever broke up. I like to think I’m closer to alpha than asshole, but they are fairly close in the dictionary. I can write this with a laugh, because if life’s a lottery, I won.

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  481. @Kalli0pe – “The chick fighting is just stressing me out.
    I went to grade school with mean girls.”

    I don’t think there’s much infighting amongst the women here truthfully. I think Miss LR brings out the testy in quite a few folks regardless of gender. Mean girls suck (high school terms for high school behaviour).

    I find debate and even intense discussion very interesting — this would be a boring place if there wasn’t heated commentary. Just sayin…
    —————————————————————————
    @Bhetti

    Back atcha alter-ego! Flattered by the comparison.

    As to flirting – hell ya! 🙂

    —————————————————————————
    @LR

    No insult taken with your remarks.

    Regarding Dana I think you have to read Dana’s comments carefully – she’s talking about bell curves when she refers to women’s behaviours (the norm). And honestly don’t you recognize most of what she’s saying about our gender?

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  482. aoefe

    i just need a witness

    has there been an iota of girl fighting since i started posting here until lr attacked me?

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  483. on July 16, 2009 at 7:18 pm Dave from Hawaii

    “it’s the superior manner in which she trys to shame all women into one group.”

    You mean you don’t like that she gives women the exact same treatment you try to give us men here? LMAO. Pot, meet kettle.

    Name ONE thing that I could get from a LTR that I don’t have now.

    Intimacy with a man you respect and admire.

    Then again, given your stated beliefs and attitudes, even in an LTR, you probably are unable to attain this.

    How about a positive male role model for your son…instead of his current front row seat to the spectacle of how his selfish, myopic and narcissistic mother is able to manipulate and use a beta male as a housekeeper and cook.

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  484. Go, PA!

    Thanks Bhetti!

    I started commenting on blogs regularly about 3 years ago, mostly at 2 Blowhards. I didn’t know of Roissy’s site until Michael Blowhard linked to his “Ugly Truths” post.

    At first, when my comments at 2BH were sporadic, I used a variety of names. For some reason I started using “PA” with more regularity, and that’s what I stuck with.

    This screen name has a very mundane origin. I was in the mood to use the abbreviation for Pennsylvania, one of my favorite US states.

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  485. “If her stereotypes were “correct” and “logical” then she wouldn’t exist on this earth.”

    god you are fuckin’ dumb

    a stereotype or a generalization by definition describes a set of common traits in a group and BY DEFINITION does NOT describe every member of the class

    your reaction to me is bordering on hysterical, you actually seem like you are going to have a stroke

    i DO WANT TO SHAME WOMEN AS A GROUP

    its the LOSS OF SHAME that has caused all of the problems discussed here

    sorry you want to think everything you do is just peachy and can’t stand to see anyone be critical of your gender and their DOCUMENTED TRENDS OF BEHAVIOR

    i don’t share your first premise that shaming and judgment are wrong. i hate single moms and what they are doing to men and western civilization; that’s why when i got knocked up in law school i got one of those ABORTION DEALIES all the gals are so crazy about. no one has to approve of you and your choices and i don’t and won’t

    i didn’t, however, i’ll point out again, say a word about you or any woman here, ms. passive aggressive tough guy

    so stand on your head and say fuck you to your wall lol
    go yell at the little future beta fag you are raising, he might give a flying fuck until he gets old enough to get a boner and then it’ll be “fuck you mom, i’m going out” while he riflrs through your purse for cash

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  486. on that note i will not say one more word to LR ever again

    [editor: a good thing. i’ve randomly deleted 2/3s of her babble over the past week in hopes of persuading her to edit herself yet still she pollutes the comments with her blockheaded stupidity. she is a bigger troll than DA if for no other reason than that she has decided to forego properly raising her son to post a neverending shit stream of replies on this blog to everyone who mentions her name.]

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  487. I didn’t realize 2/3s of LRs posts have ALREADY been deleted…that’s still a LOT of posting from someone who supposedly doesn’t give a crap about anyone here.

    LR, do you ever think there may be better uses of your time than crapping all over a blog you disagree with and constantly engaging people you don’t respect? Or are you getting some satisfaction from the endless circular arguments?

    [editor: she needs the attention now that men aren’t interested in dating her for longer than a few fucks once they find out about the baggage.]

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  488. on July 16, 2009 at 7:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’DAve From Hawai,

    Name ONE thing that I could get from a LTR that I don’t have now.

    Intimacy with a man you respect and admire. ””””””””””””””””””’

    In a nutshell this is it.

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  489. on July 16, 2009 at 8:14 pm Willard Libby

    Why expect everything from American women?

    Some women can be for sex and excitement, some give birth to and raise your kids and other women are the maids.

    I’m an American, I want American women. If I want a maid I can get a foreign born women to do it for little money.

    Don’t look for one woman to be everything.

    Some American women have good qualities. Find one who’s beautiful, smart and challenging. It’s not easy if your standards are high but foreign women have their own set of problems. Starting with the fact that they are foreigners.

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  490. on July 16, 2009 at 8:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Other than PA who has an american woman on this blog that talks about being happy with their woman?

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  491. Other than PA who has an american woman on this blog

    My wife is not American. She’s from the same place I am. But the majority of girls I had dated were American, and my experiences with them for the most part were very good.

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  492. on July 16, 2009 at 9:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Are you kidding. Oh man americans in trouble.

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  493. hmm…thanks, Todd…while i think Sarah Palin is certifiably nuts, i do admire the other two.

    i grew up in the rural northeast but now live in san francisco…the girls here amaze me on a daily basis (not always in a good way).

    and i miss the northeast boys… nuff said.

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  494. on July 16, 2009 at 9:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Good point out Willard.

    ”””””””’Lady Rain,
    Do you know why they adore me and do things for me? Because I give them everything they’ve wanted: lots of sex, no questions, no commitment, and a woman who genuinely could care less what he does or who he’s with. I’d only care about those things if I were married.””””””””””’

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  495. @dana – “i just need a witness has there been an iota of girl fighting since i started posting here until lr attacked me?”

    Well I had my own moments with LR, but no there hasn’t been out and out girl fights prior. When attacked you gotta counter – I’ve had to a couple of times (al and anony).

    I don’t think in this case its stereotypical female bitches fighting each other. Besides you are the LAST thing from stereotypical! 😉

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  496. on July 16, 2009 at 11:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Aoefe has taken some souls of woman. Then usually cordial after. he he he

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  497. @gunny

    LOL! Oh I’m THAT obvious?? 😉

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  498. on July 16, 2009 at 11:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea it is part of what makes you cool though.

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  499. @gunny

    And you saying that was triple cool! 🙂

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  500. PA
    Obsidian – another option is for blacks to stop behaving in ways that makes people (ALL people) want to live as far away from them as possible. I’m not just talking about crime either.

    PA, please give details.

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  501. @chic – “I can’t believe you wrote that, too graphic and perverted from a woman.”

    And I can’t believe you thought Dana would write anything close to hearts and flowers erotica!

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  502. @aoefe- you’re right, what was I thinking. It’s just that what she wrote is harder than anything racerx and most of what roissy has written. I bet her husband really enjoys their “moments”.

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  503. Yea, Chic, I too saw that comment by PA, and would like very much for him to elaborate.

    PA…?

    O

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  504. @ Gunslingergregi

    Other than PA who has an american woman on this blog that talks about being happy with their woman?

    Aw, gunny…I’m American.

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  505. on July 17, 2009 at 5:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Allright we’ll count the exception.

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  506. on July 17, 2009 at 5:39 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “But HOW??? If the wife wants to be on the phone with her mother for 2 hours a day, exactly how will you regulate this? How will you prevent the MIL from visiting for a month?”

    One month? Sheeeeeeeeeet. We’ve got it easy over here. In South Asia brides marry into their husband’s house. That means they live with their in-laws, in the same house, forever. One month a year would be considered a blessing for them, poor souls. (one reason why some South Asian women marry non South Asian men; less in-law drama)

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  507. on July 17, 2009 at 8:12 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Guns

    Not really an exception. Neither her blood nor her childhood is American.

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  508. on July 17, 2009 at 8:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol epoxy wtf

    I would say she considers herself assimilated then do that prenump he he he

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  509. I can’t believe you wrote that, too graphic and perverted from a woman.

    I can believe it. What you wrote is precisely what Roissy did with you when he conducted a same-night lay + rocket launcher, for free (i.e. without paying the usual fee).

    You recall the details well, which is why you were so descriptive.

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  510. on July 17, 2009 at 9:08 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    do that prenump he he he

    of course.

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  511. on July 18, 2009 at 3:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea apparently white dudes going to jail fot date rape and not paying alimony. Black dudes aint’ even going to jail for real rape. wtf

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  512. @ Epoxy

    If I’m not American, then what AM I?!

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  513. on July 18, 2009 at 4:45 pm Willard Libby

    LILGRL @ Epoxy

    If I’m not American, then what AM I?!

    A butterface.

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  514. PA: You shall always be Polish Alpha to me.

    chic:

    It’s just that what she wrote is harder than anything racerx and most of what roissy has written.

    It’s only shocking because of the recurrent typo ‘a’ after ‘Dan’.

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  515. @bhetti

    Are you in doubts she’s a WO man?

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  516. aoefe: She’s definitely a WO man! But results in overall greater contentment on all sides if called Dan.

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  517. Gunny–

    I’m very happy with my live together American woman in her early thirties. VERY.

    2nd gen Italian American.

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  518. on July 19, 2009 at 3:09 am Gunslingergregi

    Good Doug oh ok nm I see are ya gonna marry her?

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  519. Well, I suggest you “get around” more. Not all American women are as ignorant as you portray them to be. You’re making it seem as if the money-grabbing plastic is a stereotype that covers all “AW”. Maybe you men are the ones who should take a second look at yourselves. Why are you attracting such women in the first place? Yeah, there are a lot of airheads out there, but the reason you’re being bombarded by them is because you’re settling for the rotten apples that fall off the tree. The best apples are always at the top, thus you have to try harder to get them.

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  520. I am an educated, white, American woman, MA/Eng, teach as a reality job, avocations are play snare drums in a Gaelic band and have a film production co. on the side. Live on the East Coast 2 miles south of Northern VA and DC.

    I have lived and worked in DC/NoVA area so I know all about the dating habits there and the AW there and the AM there.

    Divorced happily, my hubby and I parted friends after a lengthy marriage to pursue our own goals…we were going in different directions. I ended up relocating to the DC area.

    Yes, to all Roissy says about all the f*cking around that goes on in DC/Northern VA, and Maryland. But nope to the rest of the East Coast of the USA. The rest of the USA doesn’t operate like DC. I have lived in other states, and I know that they don’t.

    One of the reasons I left the DC area is that every guy I dated openly admitted to messing around constantly with multiple women, and that he had no intentions of being with just one female to bond and build a relationship. There seem to be a ton of swingers in DC as well as wife swappers, bi women who like group sex and bi males who like group sex, along with men notching up their belts collecting women…it is Player Central.

    All the American gf’s I had there along with myself could not find any one guy who was the loyal type to date on a regular basis at all.

    In DC, they don’t date. They just want to hook up for the evening. In fact, you want to get serious, they make fun of you and laugh about it…how you could possibly be taking them or anyone seriously in that town. The worst cases are the Georgetown University students, both males and female players, they are the worst. They pass out sexual favors like candy.

    If you are a female in DC, and you don’t put out on the first date, you don’t get asked out again. If you do put out on the first date, you still don’t get asked out again. My gf’s and I are gorgeous women. I look like Demi Moore and my other gf’s looked like Victoria Secret’s models.

    After working there for four years, I realized that everyone was so self-absorbed in DC that I would meet no one of character there, that I transferred out of that little big town. The people are intelligent but most lack ethics, morals, all the things my parents told me to look for in a guy.

    The women are terribly aggressive and won’t let men act like men and make the first move. They chase nonstop there.

    However, my friends and I spent 4 yrs analyzing the bar/club scene there and how it worked. American women in DC would walk into a club in pairs or groups, sit at the bar stool, and they would wait for the American male to approach them. They never get approached by American males in DC because the American males get jumped by the aggressive Russian woman, the Asian women, and the Latino women the min. they walk in the door. Why? These women want their wallets and a green card. Unfortunately, most AM fall for this hook line and sinker. My gal pals and I could have cared about their wallets. We had our own degrees, decent jobs, our own money, cars, own homes, and we didn’t need theirs. We just wanted to be approached by guys that needed intelligent women in their lives and had their acts together like we did…who didn’t want needy women who needed fixing, because we didn’t need fixing. We came from decent families.

    The clubs we went to were upscale…most of them are in DC as most everyone there is earning a ton of money.

    We rarely if ever got asked to dance at a club by American males. We did get approached by Arab males and Indian males who would get very pushy, very angry if we didn’t dance with them. But we wanted AM.

    After 4 yrs, I concluded that the DC AM was not what I wanted, nor was working there nonstop, so I moved back to my small home town. Transferred jobs.

    I also decided that the “good ole boys” of the USA with their cowboy hats and NASCAR hats were really not what I wanted, and I began letting Brits write me. I posted my personal ads, and who did the hitting on me but gracious, polite, kind hearted, and, yes, romantic Brits. One has been writing and calling me since Dec. ’08. I have kept him writing and calling this long because I wanted to make sure he was not a spammer. He isn’t. We are meeting in London in last August. I can hardly wait. We plan on having a bunch of meetings before making any life changing decisions. I like his global view of the world and like his willingness to pick up my hotel bill. I am paying for my plane ticket. I want to. Wouldn’t have it any other way.

    This Brit is refreshing to say the least. He adores my East Coast accent and I love his calm, educated British accent. He says I am big hearted and sweet. He likes that I speak my mind politely. I won’t go into more details and drag this letter on and on, but I will say this. Don’t judge all American women by the one bad girl in DC. Most American women are not like that. Most of them want a loyal guy and are loyal. They like stability and order in their lives. They are built to love the man in their life with their hearts, mind, body, and soul.

    Chemistry is the most important thing on the planet. It goes beyond borders and check pts. of nations. The attraction between a man and a woman who trust and respect each other can transform lives. You don’t have to be to be checking up on someone’s email to know it. You won’t need to if you have that trusting chemistry.

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  521. It’s important to read both views (male and female), and distinguish between the objective and defensive.

    Growing up in America, I will say, honestly, that I do not like American women. I have found them to be manipulative, dishonest, whiny, needy, and screamers (not in the good way).

    On the other hand, I married a Thai girl. The most innocent, sweetest thing you could hope for. I wanted her to excel in school, in her career, and she had total freedom to do as she pleased, with no demands from me, except to be her friend.

    After many years of marriage, in America, she turned into the screaming, miserable, cheating, lying thing that is “woman”.

    They are all the same, in the end, and they should be treated as inferior, and useful for only two things (desire and childbearing). This, in the end, is what they want, regardless of education, intelligence, or status.

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  522. I just read the post from Kerri, and it is the pinnacle of an example of what I posted before. She used too many words to decribe her “feelings”, and they were, as I said , defensive and dissimulative. It’s simply not true.

    Women are the more materialistic of the sexes. There are too many studies and experiences to deny or ignore. They may beleive they are looking for commitment and honesty, they may scream and shout the same, but they are really looking for the next best thing.

    They are all the same. All.

    Consider the mother bird. She will squawk and scream and do all manner of things to take your attention from the nest, protecting what is most important to her.

    Women are the SAME. They squawk, scream, blame, point fingers, all to divert your attention away from what is important..herself, what she wants, what she desires. To put you down, and to make you crawl. And remember this; they do not respect this.

    All women respect the man that is in control. All women.

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  523. And one last post to men. Maintain your control of yourself. Maintain your direction. It is a woman’s nature to challenge this, and the only way she will respect you is to know that your are unwavering.

    If you falter, at any point, she will betray you, and she will justify her betrayal.

    ALL MEN READ THIS:
    http://www.heretical.com/miscella/onwomen.html

    Wrtten some 200 hundred years ago, it is still poignant today. Read it and you will see.

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  524. I am sorry Thom has had such a bad experience with his Asian wife. But, I am not surprised. If Thom had done his homework, if he had looked up Asian cultures and how the Asian women have latched onto the American male’s wallet from the Vietnam Era forward, he would know all this. Asian women, especially Korean women, love to whine, yell, hit, scream, throw things. Vietnamese women and Thai women are the worst in DC, they will literally attack other women in clubs if they so much as look at a guy they want to dance with.

    I recall dating a guy in DC, we were on our 2nd date, and he kept getting calls from an Asian chick he had dropped, she wouldn’t stop calling him on his cell phone…it was nonstop…she also began the circle around the house routine in her car…needless to say, I gave up first. The Asian chicks get deadly, angry, dangerous when they stalk a guy…there was no way I was going to be her target.

    But this type of aggressive, demanding behavior is well known among GI’s and their military families. I have seen it played out over and over again. The Asian female picks up the worst of the American habits that they see and exaggerate them. They turn into ruthless users…Gotta love that American capitalism especially when the guy always does the falling and usually willing hands over his wallet as his zipper is being unzipped.

    Most professional white American women who are teachers, doctors, nurses, counselors, CPA’s that I know are stable, calm, normal. They don’t want the guys’ money, they have their own. They just seek love, communication from a guy who is self-supporting and not a user, free-loader.

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  525. Proof that American males are wanky little cowards who need to demean women in order to feel better about themselves.

    Pathetic. Just what fucking evil thing your father let his friends do to you as a child make you this screwed up, boy? And that’s always the case isn’t it with you lame-brained american boys…..your daddy treats you like SHIT, yet you think every woman should be punished for it.

    No wonder why smart women don’t want to date you violent, stupid losers.

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  526. I think Thom is bitter because his Mom is no longer taking in his “massive” cock.

    Dude, you are one fucking IDIOT.

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  527. Doug and any male children he has deserve to have their heads riddled with bullets.

    Happy now, dateless, ugly, violent shithead?

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  528. ”””””Kerri,
    I recall dating a guy in DC, we were on our 2nd date, and he kept getting calls from an Asian chick he had dropped, she wouldn’t stop calling him on his cell phone…it was nonstop…she also began the circle around the house routine in her car…needless to say, I gave up first. The Asian chicks get deadly, angry, dangerous when they stalk a guy…there was no way I was going to be her target.””””””

    Gotta love them they are the best you can get.

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  529. ””””””Thom,
    They are all the same. All.”””””

    Naa thom they are not all the same. Some are actually woman not under the spell of worrying about there own equality.

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  530. Meredith, did it ever occur to you that your reasons for being disgusted by some of the men who post here, are largely caused by the very things they’re complaining about?

    Some of you visiting women are doing the equivalent of running up into a cancer ward and yelling at people for not spontaneously ejecting their own tumors just because they know they exist.

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  531. I am an American women and am not like anything anybody has been saying. I’m not from NY or some other big city. I don’t care what kind of car I drive or how much money i have. I don’t care about who i fall in love with or where they are from as long as i love them. The fact is none of us can say “all american women are like….” Because none of us are the same. I’m from the midwest and from a small town i moved to a much bigger town and my point of view has stayed the same. None of us talk the same from place to place in the U.S. New York sounds nothing like the south. Brooklyn and Minnesota what they say how they act ect….is not anything alike. So not anyperson American or other acts, talks, speaks, THINKS the same.

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  532. I lived in NYC for 20 years and found women getting more trashy from the 80s to now. Mind you, men are not getting any better either. But, what I did notice is that since the educational system was taken over by feminists in the late 1970s, men have been the target for many women, even those who have good educations. The very idea that only men could be responsible for all our past, present, and future ills is absurd, but this this is what the icons of feminism have been preaching since 1963–just read their many books and publications. I think US women just plain and simple don’t know what they want. They have been taught that they should have anything they want, but without actually having to earn it. Think this is wrong? Just look at the great number of medical, law, and other professional schools who actually tout their female quota systems. Try to get a job as a professor in the NE part of the US as a male–good luck. What disappoints me the most, for instance, is that even normally level headed women applaud when court systems give women the lion’s share of divorce settlements when the ‘wife’ may have played an equal role in the dissolution or even cheated or other things. American women are now content that when their heart is broken that ‘he’ has to pay and pay big time. Has anyone noticed that as our educational system has been self destructing (now 24th in the world) that one of its stated goals has been to keep males out of the picture since, after all, boys can get blue collar jobs and can get along okay without an education (a paraphrase from FEM literature)? It’s okay for boys to have a 22% higher dropout rate than girls, just as long as she is able to go to Can Cum on Spring Break and masterbait on camera for money, because that’s ‘girl power’. Women whined in the 1960s that men were not aware of women’s needs and rights, so their response has been to educate men even less?! No doubt, men are simple; just a few things will keep them going and happy most of the time. But, ladies some men actually will begin to see the light after the age of about 30. And, even though women want to pretend it’s not true, most of the world’s true geniuses have been men. American women have abandoned being feminine and forgotten the ages old rule that men and women still know in other cultures–there is great strength in being subtle and working behind the scenes. The most attractive women I have known (all non-US) have understood men very well and always got what they wanted, within reason. US women, on the other hand, must have it all. Tzun Su said it best, ‘when you guard everything, you guard nothing.’ Thus, the supermom who has jettisoned her husband but can live on his wealth and raise her children and have a career actually has nothing. I was among only a few of my time raised in a single parent household (shockingly my father stayed to raise me and my mother [ghast] abandoned me). I can tell you first hand that not having the opposite sex around really screws with your mind. You never see the things you’re supposed to and you’re never able to have a good relationship with the opposite sex. It is not heroic to raise a child by yourself, it is selfish (except those forced circumstances). But never mind an actual victim telling you that this doesn’t work–US women are empowered by this self-sacrifice and martyrdom–so what’s a few hundred thousand f*cked up children? I’ll close with my take on foreign women. Most I have met from Europe to Asia are feminine and actually like men. Gold Diggers are everywhere, but for my money (meant literally and figuratively), European and Asian women are nicer, more mature, and generally don’t expect to everything handed to them. I live and work in Dubai, so I say to the American feminist, ‘you go girl, make sure you destroy what’s left of the traditional family and take over what’s left of American society. As the Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Mexican slowly but sure take over the US, comfort yourselves in knowing that the sisterhood rained supreme as America became just a memory.

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  533. I agree with the talk of American Women losing their very womanly essence. We still have to understand that their are no doubt exceptions to that general rule. This can also be said of foreign women and their ways of being far more kind, pleasurable, thoughtful, logical and over just plain very decent to you as a man. I remember being in high school and feeling like their was always some kind of a connection missing whenever I was in a intimate state outside of sex? Always with them a sence of insanity and stupidity,particularly white women I saw this. This ungratefulness and disrespect I saw more times then I needed to. I later learned by meeting other women where I worked as a lifeguard years younger that it really wasn’t me so much as I was going against a women who has no idea on how to true kindheartedly and correctly treat a man. I dated many women from across the world and they all had the same common theme, make you feel great as a man sensation. I would sometimes look at other guys who were with American girls and think how crazy they are and that they really deserve a good women who can just match how thye treat them. I married a Chinese women whom I have been married to for 10 years now and its better then I could ever ask for from what we have to offer in America. I would say superior in almost every way you can imagine. The only thing I can think of American women being good at is a good time to have sex or just be with short term?….you decide. In the end its not really their fault women are natural followers of men and in America we must have obviously have failed them.

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  534. Wendy Schwartz sounds alot like what I mean by exception to the rule. Not all American women are this way of course we know this. Just thought I had to mention that. In fact I would say most american women are not that way but alot sure are tho.

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  535. This is DISGUSTING!!! I am a proud American woman, and I don’t think that foreigners should over-generalize and put all American women into one group. Most of my friends are nice, friendly girls who do not sleep around, fuck men for their money, or cheat. If you come to America looking for a girl who “likes to have a good time” you’ll find her. I’m not sure what it is like in major US cities (NYC, DC, etc), but have any of you ever considered the demographics? When i get to know a man, I could give a damn less about how much money he makes, what type of car he drives. We’re not gold diggers, and the ones that are, shame on you for giving US AMERICAN women such a bad reputation. And tell me fellas, where exactly are you meeting such “HIGH” quality women, hmmm? And what does that say about your moral character if you’re attracting these kinds of women. No, it’s not “American women”, morever it’s “man-eaters”, and I hate to break it to you, but you’ll find them across the globe. So before you start bashing on American women, try actually meeting REAL women and not REAL whores. Thanks 🙂

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  536. But real whores are generally better then real american woman. Sad to say.

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  537. Men of all ages, races and nationalities should avoid American “women” like the plague. They’re shallow, selfish, immature and just plain good for nothing. They can’t earn anything on their own, through their own hard work or honest efforts. Everything must be handed to them otherwise they scream ‘sexism’ and yell ‘discrimination’. They demand equal rights, but fail to realize that with rights also come responsibilities. They are rarely punished for any wrongdoing, and enjoy complete freedom from accountability.

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  538. Nice article. But I was so surprised though, you missed this opportunity to acknowledge the worst aspects of most American women. That is: they are fat, unattractive and do not know how to dress sexy/well. I grew up in Toronto/Montreal. Not the world’s finest women (I would give higher accolades to Eastern Europe and South America), but per population, I know without a doubt our women are much better in these cities vs. the average American city. I know some Americans will roll their eyes to them Canada is just a “little America” to them with no pronounced differences, but haha,….keep rolling your eyes. Folks, with discerning tastes, know the difference. How do I know Canadian girls kill the USA? Every girlfriend I have ever had gets an easy status boost when she goes to the USA. Guys practically maul these women everywhere (8’s in Canada become 10s in the USA; 6 become 8’s; 3 becomes 5’s). All the girls here also know this about the USA. At any rate, this article nailed a great aspect about American women : they tend to be unsexy she-males. (Btw, not sure if you noticed the irony of throwing in a sublte anti-American song at the begginning of this post by a Canadian band).

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  539. Wow…American girl living in England. Met a guy I really like and thought I’d google stuff on American-British relationships…This is pretty horrifying. For the record I don’t care about his finances and am perfectly self sufficient. The one thing I’ve taken from this is a fear of being seen as a babbly Mr. Ed…I really hope he isn’t like the men who posted on this.

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  540. @UNO “How do I know Canadian girls kill the USA? Every girlfriend I have ever had gets an easy status boost when she goes to the USA. Guys practically maul these women everywhere (8’s in Canada become 10s in the USA; 6 become 8’s; 3 becomes 5’s). ”

    I’d never connected the two before. I just thought American men were much more forward. My girlfriends and I always come home with an ego boost after a trip to the US. We recieve a lot more attention there.

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  541. It’s fascinating how many awful American girls there are. I grew up in Seattle, and just about every girl I met I wanted to backhand at one point or another (I’m a straight female BTW). Their parents just didn’t raise them right. Most American girls expect the world from guys, financially, emotionally, and nothing is EVER good enough. I’m truly baffled at how these girls are the ones who always seem to have a mistreated boyfriend by their side. Maybe the sex is good, but really…..who wants a girl who’s slept with half the state. I find myself a pretty good catch. I have paid for everything I wanted since I was 12. I bought my own car when I was 16 with money I had earned working. My mother brought me up to be financially independent. I’m smart, have a wicked sense of humor according to my friends, am good looking (and yes I have enough confidence to compliment myself that), and I swear to God I’m different from all the other girls. Yet all I can seem to find are scumbag players. WHERE are all the good American guys!? That’s it. I’m moving to Europe.

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  542. When I entered the marriage market in my early 30s after a long dating layoff, I found a lot of angry young women, overweight women my age, and those with baggage. I was an athletic 180lbs, had all my hair, had a good job and was certainly not a player. I was not interested in one night stands and the dinner-sex -dating circuit. The burbs did not help. So given the poor selection, I went to the net. Outside the States, wow! Who ever said to avoid former Soviet countries? What for? The women in Russia were beautiful. I know because I was there. I recently worked with a women from Belarus who was 45 or so and way past her prime. She was still worth looking at.
    How did going to Russia work out? I am on the 6th year of marriage and she is having my second child. I always like to encourage her to tell me when she is hit on. I always smile and say they didn’t have the balls to go get you did they?

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  543. wow guys. there is so much poison poured out on this page. it’s kind of really awful considering that deep down we all just want to be together. to the guys – look, i’m sorry for the bad experiences you’ve had. i’m nobody’s doormat, but i do consider myself a ‘soft’ woman in many ways – i have a heart shaped baking tin, come on. but guys what you have to realise is that these kinds of deeply mysognistic comments scare the living daylights out of us.

    they should be treated as inferior, and useful for only two things (desire and childbearing). This, in the end, is what they want, regardless of education, intelligence, or status.

    “tacky american sluts”

    and you wonder why women are screaming, miserable etc. come on guys, let’s be real. you want us – not just for a fuck, no matter how álpha’or hardcore you’d like to be. everybody wants to be in a happy relationship someday. so stop hating us and yes you will still meet women who are scared out of their minds and do nothing but abuse other people – men and women – we also get it from the mean girls believe me. but let’s stop looking for instant gratification. who gave you a timeline for when you’ll find the one for you? who said that in the meantime you will meet girls who fit your idea of what they should be. do you really have a right to be angry with someone for what and who they are. why are your expectations and desires so important that you get to define her. define her slut, tacky, whatever if she doesn’t fulfill them. she does not dedicate her life to hurting you, so most of the time she’s still just another person who gets to define herself the same way that we all do. so many men have done things that have hurt my feelings – but i won’t tell them how they should be just to fit my needs and then label them if they don’t . why do we act like the world is cheating us of our god given right to be loved when we don’t come with an attitude of love but of blame and anger? we are owed nothing and we choose how we approach our lives and therefore the results. if you haven’t found it, it;s not because you suck, it’s because you’re still discovering what exactly it is you need. otherwise you’ll never identify it even when it’s right in front of you. it’s work. energy much better spent than spewing venom. just wait. believe. love. and you’ll get that person. american or otherwise. no oneand certainly no group can be defined as simply bad if you want to really meet a sweet girl, be a sweet guy. it’s that simple.

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  544. on November 21, 2009 at 12:41 am Mr Janie Watkins

    My wife is American. We have been married for 1 year and she keeps taking more power. I’m home prancing around in a dress cleaning “her” house while she is out with her friend. When I get the nerve up to confront her on her cheating she responds that every once in a while she needs a “real man”. How can i win?????

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  545. I find it odd (and quite telling considering the tone of many of his responses) that Obsidian blames women on the failure of black men and the lack of “Obamas”.

    Also, all American women are not ball-crushing soulless harridans. Go to the south, mid-west, or small towns in the northeast. Or, a church.
    – OG (Original Grace)

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  546. on December 14, 2009 at 4:10 pm American Woman

    Wow. Sounds like your ego was seriously bruised by no other than an American woman (or many). By all means, PLEASE, leave American women alone and focus on maintaining company with foreign women who will not expose your apparently many inferiorities.

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  547. Wow, as an American woman, I can say I don’t like any of the women described above. Yes, there are women who date tons of guys at once. Yes, there are women who only want sex. But it is unfair to stereotype all American women. Not to mention, there are cultural differences. We are different for a reason and it isn’t far to assume that different means bad. I am considerate, only date one guy at a time, and am very honest. I am also independent and self sufficient. Dating in America isn’t easy – for many reasons. Being needy and subservient is seen as bad, while being independent isn’t ideal either. We can’t win. Guys can act however the want, but women have to walk a fine line. It is really frustrating. So judge all you want. We can stereotype just as well as you can.

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  548. Wow. I plan to travel to England for history purposes. I am a woman by the way…you men think that us woman should stay at home, or how we should be lower on the self esteem level , which makes it easier for us to date. Not only I am going to bring a camera, but im bringing a bat, to beat some sence into your idiot meat heads!!! Well lets see, accourding to Englands history, you treated us like property. What im reading is disgusting. I am suprised you even have something mean to write about us american women…cus if I met any men with the mindsets like yours, I would beat you to death!!!!!!!!! You men are all pussies, admit it, us Women think more rationaly and we give birth, can you men give birth!!?? NO, so you should be lucky us women give you time of day!!!!!!!!

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  549. I can’t believe what I’m reading… how can you guys say all these things and then think ANY woman would even want to talk to you unless she’s insane? We are in the twenty first century… not in the middle ages! Everyone should stop and consider what has been said… Is this really how we want people to think?
    And by the way I’m not an american woman, I’m european and still I’m pretty sure you are generalizing… not all american women are like what you said and if you guys think European women are more subservient or something like that, believe me we are not. And naturally, if any of my friends read this blog they would be horrified for weeks at the close-mindedness of some of you guys. Machism and macho attitudes are not sexy you know?

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  550. on January 10, 2010 at 12:50 am Young American Women

    I believe that the men who were quoted probably are dating the wrong girls if you want a good American women you probably should stop looking at the bar/pub and look else where.
    I would never want a first date to be an expensive dinner, the man should be creative or even collaborate on what to do as a date.
    Another point is that most American women would never date 2 men at the same time! The women you find must be gold diggers, don’t generalize American women with them.
    What you mean by a ‘truly feminine woman’ for other women in different countries to be called that would be insulting. Most women in the world are not going to let a man step all over her and treat her a bitch in heat.

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  551. “I can’t believe what I’m reading… how can you guys say all these things and then think ANY woman would even want to talk to you unless she’s insane? We are in the twenty first century… not in the middle ages! Everyone should stop and consider what has been said… Is this really how we want people to think?

    “And by the way I’m not an american woman, I’m european and still I’m pretty sure you are generalizing… not all american women are like what you said and if you guys think European women are more subservient or something like that, believe me we are not. And naturally, if any of my friends read this blog they would be horrified for weeks at the close-mindedness of some of you guys. Machism and macho attitudes are not sexy you know?”

    Your American English is pretty excellent for a foreign, European woman.

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  552. on January 10, 2010 at 8:27 am Cannon's Canon

    oozing machismo

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  553. on January 10, 2010 at 8:33 am Cannon's Canon

    COT-DAMMM this guy is a pickup savant

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  554. […] sex, less willing to date outside the tribe. Two, foreign men already think of American women as fucked-in-the-head harpies only good for pumping and […]

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  555. It’s been said before, and I’ll say it again- these are gross generalizations. Let’s make something clear here- most foreigners, or at least the ones that I hear make these generalizations, do so at major American cities, such as D.C., New York, and L.A. Those are very different worlds from the rest of the U.S. People need to remember how big America is, and consequently you’ll encounter very different people wherever you happen to be. The West-Coast, the Mid-West, the Northeast, and the Southeast are all as different as England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales. Similar and yet incredibly different at the same time.

    I grew up in the southern United States and upon visiting the northern part of my country, I found the people there to be much more rude. Speaking strictly as a person from the south, this so-called American dating habit of dating multiple men or women at once is totally foreign to me. I don’t know if this applies elsewhere in my country, but if a woman that did that where I live, she would be considered slutty, and a man that did that would be considered douchey.

    Also, I have never really encountered affirmative action for women. I applied for a scholarship my senior year of high school and the odds were against me because a certain amount of the recipients had to men and/or a minority. As a white female, I was at a disadvantage.

    Anyway, generalizations are bad. As a blonde female from the southern United States, I’ve fought my whole life against stereotypes. According to the perceptions of society, I would be extremely stupid, trashy, and slutty. In reality, I graduated high school with scholarships and a 4.3 GPA. I’m a history major that knows four languages and I’m in love with haute couture, and surprise surprise, I’m a virgin and I’ve never been drunk. I may be a 19-year-old college student, but I’m not going to party and sleep around just because it’s expected of me. I’m hardly a prude or a religious fanatic (my best friend of 12 years is a bisexual pagan), but I’m not going to have sex for the sake of it. Unless I love the guy, he’s not getting into my pants.

    So in short, at the risk of sounding like an “American Bitch”, fuck off, Roissy.

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  556. Oh my gosh it really is depressing how little men really think of women. Such horrible comments, such hatefull remarks. It’s frightening, to be honest, to be held in such low regard by people who have never met me, who have no interest in meeting me, because they’ve already decided I’m a “total cunt” not worthy of their time – while at the same time expecting unconditional respect and affection from me. I gnerally like men, it’s sad to see that the feeling is so rarely mutual.

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  557. Look at all these entitled, arrogant women who project their anti-male bigotry outwards.

    They claim that men are ‘misogynists’ when in fact there is no shortage of men who put women on undeserved pedestals.

    American women are not competitive with foreign women, and it shows. Rather than improve themselves, these American cows whine.

    When you point a finger, ladies, three point back at you. You are the reason there is gender disharmony today. Men are not the cause of this.

    Now step aside so that the better, foreign woman can take your place.

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  558. Mary

    Anyway, generalizations are bad.

    Hey, not ALL generalizations are bad. Stop generalizing.

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  559. @Danae

    It’s frightening, to be honest

    1. Ooops, your feminist “shaming” language called & it wants it’s “total cunt” back.

    “…held in such low regard by people who have never met me, who have no interest in meeting me, because they’ve already decided I’m a “total cunt” not worthy of their time…”

    2. Yeah, umm, Princess Buttercup, the world *ahem* universe does in fact revolve around your narcissistic. That is so telling about you, as you are personalizing this forum’s realistic comments as being directed to your highness.

    Here, have a nice steaming glass of STFU.

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  560. Let me tell you from personal experience…American women are only liked by foreign men because (of the perception) they put out sex more than their female compatriots. This a what a Spanish teenager from Oviedo told me four years ago when i studied abroad there for a semester.

    The group I came with consisted of 22 students, three of us guys, and 19 of the most entitled, shrill and haughty rich princess types. These girls attractiveness rating ranged from the 1 to 7, with only the top 4 of them scoring 6 & 7. I remember one of the 1’s being very tall and fat, in that big boned kind of way. Another one was so ugly, that one of the guys from my group nicknamed her “Lurch.” Most notably there was a girl from Brazil in our group who was raised in Miami most of her life. She could have been a 7 instead of a 6 had it not been for her Americanized attitude, which proves Roosh’s arguement that any foreign girl living in the US for a long enough time will loose her feminine charm and becomes another ugly American girl.

    During six months I studied there, I only saw one girl in my group score a Spanish guy. She was an obvious asperger’s/autism case, given her good grades, terrible sense of style (always wearing running sneakers all the time and slightly baggy, ill-fitting clothes), her slurred speech, child-like demeanor and the fact that she was one of the 7’s. On that note…

    Brian’s Maxim #23: People with autism/aspergers tend to be very physically attractive people. Example: Heather Kuzmich, Cleopatra, Keanu Reeves, Marilyn Monroe, John Nash (Real Life mathmatician from a Beautiful Mind), Daryl Hannah, and this guy (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/12/national/main1613987.shtml).

    “Confidence in a woman is overrated. I’m with Roosh on this matter — less confident women are more fun to date and make better girlfriends.”

    I don’t think it’s so much confidence as it is an American woman’s haughtiness, inflated ego and insecurity. These are the things that turn foreign men away from looking for anything lasting longer that a one-night lay. In the case of my Spanish friend, once I started setting him up with some of my classmates, he lost interest.

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  561. After living in Yorkshire, UK and being all over the US… and reading these posts, all I can say is wow. The hateful comments are crazy.

    I have dated mostly men from other parts of the world, and enjoyed the experience.

    I am now engaged to an English man, who loves the fact I am educated in politics and speak my mind, something English women care not to discuss I find.

    American women my age (30s) have had work hard, this isn’t an option like it seems for allot of the women in the UK. There is no free rides here, or medical system. It’s all out of our pockets. We have to be more independent because our families are spread across the US, leaving us a smaller if no support system. It’s dog eat dog here.

    I have met some wonderful working women in the UK, but yes there are HUGE differences in us, but culture is not something you can judge easily if you have never lived in it.

    We should celebrate the different view points and learn from it. I hate the fact UK men never buy you a drink when you are out, but I love their manners. Gotta take the good with the bad. UK women can dress to the nines, and I learned how to really dress stylish there. However, they think hanging the clothes on the line will save the world.
    I say give me my dryer!!!

    I found UK men constantly interested in talking with me and I must say they love us southern girls!

    So for those who would hate my sisters all I have to say is if you can’t run with the big dogs stay on the porch! BTW I am moving to UK, so watch out, the American’s are coming back! 😉
    S

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  562. […] are the easiest, filthiest whores in the western world.  That girl over there is my date, but I’m ignoring her because her ego is too big.  I may not fuck her, but her ego will take a huge hit and it’ll be that much easier for the […]

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  563. What about American MEN?! They don’t want to support a wife on their own even if they DO still believe in legal marriage. They think that all American women, especially Native American ones, are for is a one-night stand and then either ditch her when/if she gets pregnant or leave her high and dry to raise the baby out of wedlock or won’t even pay for an abortion. American men treat, probably ALL Native American women but me in particular, as if we’re all right for one-night stands or to date or sleep with but not respectable enough to properly marry and bring into their family. And of course they assume that just because we may have the “white man’s education” i.e. a college degree in some “hard” science instead of Underwater Basket Weaving or Sociology, that we must be able to support ourselves, judging by the number of indecent proposals I get all over the Internet of men outside this country (or illegal aliens already here) wanting to marry me for their Green Card and having the audacity to expect me to support them. Men want a woman who’s financially capable of supporting herself in this post-feminazi era but then they don’t get, WHY the hell would a self-supporting professional woman want a man at all for anything other than a boy-toy let alone to marry one?! And marry one SHE had to support at that?! Both American men and certain nationalities of foreigners are like that.
    So before you blast American women don’t get us started on American MEN.

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  564. pam

    men don’t care what women think

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  565. I am an American woman and this doesnt sound like the typical women at all, and if you notice those qoutes they are only talking about one woman out of millions that they had a bad experience with and making a generalization. One thing that I had a question about is who has a fancy dinner on the first date? Thats like serious stuff forst dates should be fun laid back and a time for the couple to get to know eachother.

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  566. Fellows, you’re also getting a glimpse of American female ‘logic’ within some of these posts. They don’t even understand what a general statement is, and will accuse you of ‘generalizing’. Well, duh!, of course it’s a generalization, which means ‘most of’–most women–a vast, wide majority, from my observations over the past 15 years. And I don’t even date them now, but I do deal with them on a daily basis and find them generally selfish, childish, immature, ill-mannered, obnoxious, loud and misandric.
    Yes, they are man haters, rather, male haters, as it’s particularly disturbing that they could care less about the well-being of boys, who will grow up to be the men of tomorrow.
    If you can only know one thing about females, it’s this: There was a famous psychological study in the ’70s in which 20 males and 20 females were asked to shock a cute little puppy whenever it failed to obey a command. About half the males refused to go along, but fully 100% of the females complied. Why? Because their college professor supervised the test and the girls thought they’d get a better grade if they complied!

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  567. This does not account for all of American women. Yes, I will admit there are a lot of loose girls out there, but that does not mean that ALL American women are like this! Being an American women is way different from growing up in the Middle East or in Europe. Here we grow up with the mindset that you can do anything you want in life, male or female. America is all about “equal opportunity,” so of course us women are going to speak our mind and we are going to go after what we want.

    Claiming that all women in America are trashy is just plain ignorant.

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  568. Shannon,

    LOLOLOLOL!!!!

    The ‘not all women are like that’ is tired and old.

    If anything, America is a country that mistreats men, and pampers women. No wonder no one wants American woman.

    And as far as ‘ignorant’, you are dealing with master pick-up artists here. They know a lot more about women than you do.

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  569. I consider myself an american women, but raised in a traditional sicilian household. This makes me so sad to see this website. All, “American” women are not like this. I love to cook for my man, and take care of him – and he is Eastern European and very happy with me. In fact, he says I’m much more faithful than other girls from his country. I think no matter where you travel its a matter of people. Yes, I will agree many American women fit this stereotype and its sad because they’ve lost there femininity. However, I’ve seen just as many rude, over weight and superficial men who are boring and only talking about material possessions. I believe its a flaw of American superficial values and culture.

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  570. american women are despised because of the following traits: they are solipsistic; they are plagued by pathological they are self-absorbed; they have a sense of entitlement; they have an exploitative mindset vis-a-vis relationships; they are insincere; they are incorrigible seekers of double standards and preferential treatment; they are dishonest; they are untrustworthy and manipulative; they are poorly groomed; they are comparatively fat and fetid; they are all-too-eager to treat men and children badly; they are sloppy in bed; and they are avaricious (but chiefly in the sense of grabbling other people’s money). No wonder the world at large has discerned what these cunts are really all about.

    Now, for what it’s worth, Canadian women are generally even worse. Men will never marry such creatures and I cannot blame them. You can lie to yourself and say you’ll be happy, but I have yet to encounter a man who has been, or is, happily married to a feminist-type; she has too many psychological issues which cannot be overcome – along with a legal system that indulges her character flaws and limitations.

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  571. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH DISGUSTING WOMEN IN MY LIFE. THEY ARE RUDE BUT THEY SHOW THEIRSELVES SO POLITE, DELICATE.THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT POLITENESS IS ALL ABOUT.THEIR POLITENESS IS HOLDING DOORS FOR ME WHEN I GO TO MALL. I HATE THOSE BITCHES.THEY PLAY WITH THE FEELINGS OF FOR FUN,THEY MAKE FUN OF FEELINGS.THATS THE MOST WICKED THING TO DO FOR A HUMAN BEING.THEY ARE NOT HUMAN.SINCE THEY ACT LIKE THAT.AND THEY DONT LIKE ANYONE.THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING DOWN ON YOU,TRYING TO FIND THE FAULTS,DEFECTS ON MEN COS THEY ARE SO SPECIAL THEY DESERVE THE BEST RIGHT? THEY DONT GET FOREIGNER GUYS.UNLESS FOREIGNER HAS GOOD MONEY OR CARREER.IN SHORT THEY CANT MAKE GF OR WIFE THEY ARE UNFIT TO THEM.THEY CANT MAKE MOTHER.
    I WAS THE MEMBER OF A DATING COMPANY –THE RIGHT ONE–I PAID THIS COMPANY 1200$ TO FIND WOMEN FOR ME.THEY MATCHED ME EVERY MONTH WITH DIFFERENT WOMEN BASED ON SIMILAR INTERESTS .I GOT HER PROFILE AND PHONE NUMBER AND MY PROFILE AND MY PHONE NUMBER MAILED TO HER.DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU THINK?????????. NOTHING. THEY DIDNT EVEN WANNA TALK TO ME ON THE PHONE. LET ALONE SEE MY FACE. SO WATCH OUT FOR THOSE WOMEN. THEY ARE HIGH NOSED DAMN BITCHES. JUST IGNORE THEM AND STAY AWAY FROM THEM NO MATTER HOW NICE THEY MIGHT LOOK. IN THE LONG RUN YOU WILL BE THE WINNER NOT THEM.THEY ARE LOSERS.PATHETIC BRAINWASHED POOR AMERICAN WOMEN

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  572. I have been reading these, and it’s a vent-fest on both sides…..
    All I will say is this:

    It must be hard to be an American Woman…so driven to succeed an be powerful, to show equality by working twice as hard…etc…and then still wanting to be a mom and a wife and all the domestic stuff….

    It’s impossible, and I think the programming we get doesn’t help…

    What I would like (I am a 34 yr/old single guy, no kids, don’t want marriage etc…) would be an independent women, who wants nothing from me, but to share my company because it feels good…..that’s all….no agenda, or anything to gain…

    Why is this so hard to find…? Foreign women are still domestic for the most part…I don’t want that, I just want an american woman who isn’t in it to: fix me, change me, secure me, use me, get from me, raise her whatever with me…..etc….just enjoy me…

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  573. sorry…let me re-phrase…….the last line..

    “just enjoy herself, with me…”

    seemed important to say….

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  574. Shannon:

    America is all about “equal opportunity”.

    Nope. America is all about equality of outcome. By force.

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  575. Sometimes I question people’s overall intelligence… How can you stereotype the millions of women in America by the few you have met? Admittedly, I know a ton of girls who are just like you described, but there’s also just as many who actuallly have values. And if an uneducated woman who needs to lean entirely on you to survive is what floats your boat, then knock yourself out. But that doesn’t mean you have to go bashing on women who work hard to receive a diploma and get a good job so they can actually support themselves.

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  576. Alpha men. Alpha men. I hated American men for the same reason you hated American women. American men were under-educated, under-traveled, under-versed on the arts and literature, and let’s just face it…lousy dancers! They were programmed in bed and raunchy, at best, when they got help from their respective “sources”. Solution: date foreign men. Yes. I prefer foreign men. In fact, I never met a man worthy of losing two inches of my waistline to until I met a man from South America, my now husband of seven years. Now we have a fantastically marvelous son who is the man of my dreams. BUT (and it’s a BIG ONE)…what happens when a foreign man can’t provide for you like an American one can? Sure I make good money, but all the breakfast and coffee and lunches made for me in the mornings don’t replace having some economic sense of peace (more like I’ve run out of things to PAWN!). And discussing world politics sure would go nicely with a cup of coffee…if I could afford the grinds.
    Not to mention, all this financial stress has done WONDERS for our love life…LOL. No second child in plans and struggling to get by as we argue over why his meager job in Argentina is better than my solid job here that pays the bills (a house and two cars, plus a child) and half a month’s food, with no help from him.
    Think long-term. Please.

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  577. Yep. I’m living proof that uneducated (struggles with English, he has no degree or technical schooling) isn’t fun once the lights in the bedroom come up. Plus. Ever wonder who’s gonna manage your estate, finances, or even have a conversation with the 9-1-1 operator if you fall over in a stroke in front of this foreign lover? Yeah, good luck with that. Haven’t figured that one out, either. Oh, yeah, but he cooks! He cleans, he washes the dishes and works out even, but…still, I ask myself daily: was marrying him a gift to myself or punishment? And yes…men, he is faithful. He spends every breathing second under my feet…partially because he feels like he can’t stand up on his own and partially because he absolutely adores our son. But our relationship is close to the walking-dead. Stinky, living, but just won’t die…nope. I’m a beautiful Mexican American woman who cooks all kinds of food, cleans, and even pays the bills AND I don’t believe in divorce. I just keep a sad, dead man in the closet who dreams of his Yamana motorbike and his mechanic shop. Yep. How’s that for hating American mates?!

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  578. Becca’s right. I always thought to myself, “I got my Master’s Degree so I wouldn’t have to depend on a man, AND…so I can have the man I WANT. NOT the man I need to survive.”

    The girl next door seems fat, sassy and quick-tempered to you now, but you know that little foreign job? She’s in high-demand and she knows it. If she doesn’t know it yet, she will. And, there’s the question of home sickness…been there and done that. 18K dollars and three visits home later and it’s still not enough to keep him happy.

    I know all too well where you guys are coming from…

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  579. Whenever a “man” is blaming women for his problems, then it is a very sad day in America…and this is coming from a man himself!

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  580. You are all dicks!….done!

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  581. Anonymous, no one here is blaming women for our problems. Mangina enablers were as instrumental for the sad state of affairs as the feminists.

    But this site is not about the blame.It says women are such and such and here is how, based on that info, you proceed.

    A.A.: If you can only know one thing about females, it’s this: There was a famous psychological study in the ’70s in which 20 males and 20 females were asked to shock a cute little puppy whenever it failed to obey a command. About half the males refused to go along, but fully 100% of the females complied. Why? Because their college professor supervised the test and the girls thought they’d get a better grade if they complied!

    The following is about a power of suggestion, but Derren Brown did not pick a chick for the episode based on a whim–he knew that for the experiment to work, it had to be a girl with her hamster ready to be unleashed.

    Part1

    Part2

    Part3

    It’s an entertainment, the end is not that good, the girl did not learn anything. But for illustration of the inner hamster, it works fine.

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  582. It’s interesting to me that some of the American men posting here seem so put off by the self-absorbed, masculine, loud types of women in America. Although, all of my boyfriend’s friends prefer the girls you are/seem disgusted by. You may say it is because they are looking for someone to sleep with, but they aren’t complaining. These are the women they’re marrying!

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  583. Oh My God! You spoke every word I want to say, but about American Men. Your words are like gold, I am so glad somebody spoke it up! I am a foreign girl who is living in American and my heart has been stamped on, stabbed at, shitted on every time I dated an American man. Everything you said here, just make a minimun change that would be “What foreign women think of American men”.

    Confidence- They appear to be confident but what they really want is confident women who can step on their ass

    Slutty- Sex is like shaking hands for some of them. I went on a first date with an American guy and first thing he said was “I am seeing two other women at the same time”, which almost threw me off the chair, and later found out it was actually “normal” here, wtf

    First date- If you pick an average restaurant, they would think low of you. On the other hand, afterwards you will be on your own for a lot of other bills.

    Game player- They love girls who play games, they love to be played. It’s like a game never ending no matter how old you are

    Materialism- They expect you to sleep with them just because they have fancy cars, because they have a house. They wouldn’t date you because you have a cheap car, And if they find out you live in the “lower” neighbourhood which wtf how am I supposed to know which neighbourhood is for what, then they will throw you out like a garbage.

    Don’t ever expect them to appreciate your degree, your art taste, your poem writing– They can’t even name one famous artist!

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  584. 1st off i am an American male and i agree with the critique of American women 2nd i noticed that while name calling and swearing at the men on some of these posts, the women who havent been rude havent said anything to the women who are vulgar(curious).
    I find womens manners lacking ie when talking they interrupt if they disagree and will tell you why you are wrong .
    When they hear something they disagree with they cut you off with i am offended/you are generalizing/thats your opinion.
    When they do the above and you stand your ground ,then they resort to claiming you dont like a strong women or you dont respect them or my fave you always have to be right.
    And finally the attitude of if they dont like something you arent allowed to say it- do it-stick up for-explain it or anything !. But if you ask them not to say or do anything you find offensive or rude then its how dare you you evil controlling abusive man (respect is a 2 way street).
    Thanks for letting me vent.

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  585. BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

    http://ihatewhitewomen.blogspot.com/

    I am a white American male, and I hate American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money, don’t know how to cook, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with a bitchy American woman?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, and extremely arrogant and self-centered. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to all other groups of women, such as Asians, Middle Easterners, Mexicans, Blacks, etc.

    BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

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  586. These gender/nationality wars are very outdated and boring, and a reflection of the narrow mindedness of the poster.

    You attract and notice what you are in the opposite sex, whether you like it or are bothered by it. If all you can do is bitch and complain about other people (American women or not) and what they do to you – the common denominator here is YOU, not them. It’s your problem.

    There are plenty of quality American women as their are women of other nationalities. If you’re attracting the negative American women, perhaps you’re just a schmuck yourself and they are a reflection of you.

    Very simple formula regardless of nationality or gender:

    If you want a quality woman, try being a quality man, and vice versa, and take responsibility for your own psychological issues. Nationality matters not in that regard.

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  587. Boys never know what they want. And often are bigger whores than the women they sleep with. At the age of 17 I have learned that American Boys will use women of any country. Most Boys cannot handle a strong women. They are intimidated by use. We don’t take their shit and foreign girls will. We stand up and do what is best for us and that is what Boys hate. Well I will tell you something, I will be damned if I let a little boy tell me what to do and how to act. Stop being small dicks. I say you don’t like American women well we don’t like you either, so leave and never come back. You cheat, you sleep around, and never tell the truth. To those of you like my boyfriend who are not intimidated and can handle a women this does not apply to you. 🙂 lol

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  588. […] A lot has been written on how awful 21st-century American women are, and really, fair points. American women, you are a bunch of fat, vapid, spoiled, selfish, lazy, bitchy, charmless whores. But this is a point that has already been made, many times over. […]

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  589. pre 1960’s…women were pretty, passionate, kind, and most of all more than likely didnt already have a plan to trap the man and take advantage of everything he is. for example watch an old western movie. as time goes by women push very hard to have equal rights, job opportunities. etc. fashion and money, media telling them how to be, how to look and act, changed them fast. back in the day if a woman fooled around with another man, her husband would hang him, beat him, shoot him..now were trapped with child support, jail time, losing in a divorce…all bull s**t! im not sayin the american woman should bow down and worship a man..they should cool the hell down, and show a lil respect. men did back in the day. worked damn hard to gain her liking to us and in return she was just as kind. we still work hard to get a woman, but now theres a 85% chance itll all end in grief. feel free to reply i can talk all day… 😀

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  590. on February 4, 2011 at 8:05 am Saman the Iranian guy

    American women in general are whores, uncultured, self-centered, ignorant, skanky etc… same goes for american men.

    You American men are responsible for such women, dumbos. Most foreign guys in the u.s have sex with American women cause they’re EASY! but don’t really ever marry them, and foreign women don’t find American men attractice at all, except maybe some golddigging Asians girls.

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  591. Saman the Iranian Guy,
    First, you’re Iranian and therefore you’re opinion is irrelevant. You guys are about as ugly as the day is long. You strap on vests and blow shit up. You’re hairy like a distant cousin of teen wolf and you personally reek of American woman rejection.

    I have no problems getting with foreign women. They’re actually kinda easy. I just try and speak the local language, which they find cute as hell and it’s all over. Is it any easier getting laid?

    I agree with you though, it is our fault for our women’s behaviour.

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  592. american women are easy i like it like that.they are very uncultured though.if U wanna fuck get an american woman but she wont be wife material

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  593. I feel as though many of you doesn’t understand the concept of ‘individuality.’ In every country there are similar people. Yes, American women can sometimes be overly confident and stand offish, but plenty of British women can be like that as well. On the other hand, so many American women are quiet and kind. I myself have no appreciation for the comments of this site, mostly because they are biased. Maybe if some of you actually took the time to get to know the woman with sex not present in your minds, you’d understand how you’re severely wrong. You might find that there are plently of Americans who are marraige material. You’re all jackasses.
    And also? I noticed one comment that claimed how american women are loud. What the hell?! Have you EVER been to Italy? XD

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  594. MIA,
    You should go back to grade school. “Many of you doesn’t, understand how you’re severely wrong, and also?” Once you’ve learned proper grammar and spelling, then you should come back with your .02 cents. Is stand offish even a word?

    What’s the purpose of getting to know a woman if not for sex? That sounds like words coming from a virgin or a homo. Women are too annoying to put up with if sex isn’t in the mix.

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  595. It’s quite sad to read this article and most of the responses to it. The maturity level of most comments would lead one to believe that pre-pubescent boys were writing them. These comments and this article to be written single, bitter men. Is the “man” who used the “word” Tacky American Slut not a Tacky Slut himself? Was he not also looking to simply “fuck” the girl and move on? Double standards are quite ridiculous, don’t you think?

    I am an American woman and am nothing as you all have described. As a matter of fact, my husband gets complimented all the time on me and has many male friends who say “I wish I had a wife just like her” or “how did you get so lucky to score a wife like that?” There have been times when I was more successful than him and times when he was moreso than I. It didn’t matter to either of us, because we have worked together as a team from day one. Now, I work part-time and take care of our son 100% of everyday. And I happy with whatever income he makes, because I love him and money doesn’t matter. I can handle any budget – I don’t need “things”, just my family and happiness. Of course, it helps that my husband is a REAL MAN and not a self-absorbed twit who can only think with his pathetic excuse for a boner. I may not be your stereotypical American woman, or any country’s woman for that matter, but I am still an American woman and feel compelled to rebut these insane comments.

    I am intelligent, motivated, talented. However, I don’t feel the need to go around letting everyone know. I don’t think I’m the most beuatiful woman in the world, even if I am complimented on my looks regularly. There is always someone more beautiful and intelligent. I certainly am not one who walks around with great confidence in anything but knowing that I am a good person. I would hope that is one thing in which it is OK for a woman to have confidence. I don’t feel the need to control or change anyone. I will bow down to no one, but I also expect no one to bow down to me.

    Yes, there are tons of American women who go around with their super-feminist attitudes or their obnoxiously tanned legs hanging out of their “cute” booty shorts and ending in their post-dated Uggs chatting loudly about their “totally awesome” time at the latest Delta Delta Delta meeting. But, that is not all of us. Every person has value, even the obnoxious people. And “obnoxious people” most certainly includes the Brit, French, Thai, etc. and MALE varieties.

    So, all of you need to grow up a little bit and stop looking at women from a perspective that brought about the feminist movement in the first place.

    …oh, and don’t get your boxers in a bunch just because I might have a better job than you – it’s not due to Affirmative Action Laws, it’s due to the fact that I’m 10 times more intelligent and capable than you could ever hope to be.

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  596. Wickedsteel,
    I’m sure you’re all that (laden with sarcasm). You’re husband is getting a blow job from his mistress at this moment. Bwahahaha 😀

    Guys like me are the reason why femenists exist today…

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  597. I see not americans women as the problem but these females in general.

    I’m from russia and you americans men who think our women better and to make you more happy, this is not true. I think russians women are worse for wanting you for your money and yelling at you if you do not meet her wants for material things. Many russians here have little so these women demand much, maybe because they see what you americans have on tv. I hate russia women and would be glad to have a women like you americans have who do not flirt or offer sex so they can marry my money. Russias women are manipulative i think like any other women. I have seen many women of all different backgrounds who conspire to meet an end.

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  598. […] – divorce-happy – career-focused – goddamn that is one obese land whale – self-absorbed – loud and obnoxious – self-deluded – attention whoring – manlike – sloppy and unkempt – skreechy, whiny, bitchy – and, […]

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  599. Wow you were burned by one American woman and you write off all of them? Men are so delicate.

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  600. “Steve (a Brit) says that he had to get used to knowing that American women reserve the right to date a whole bunch of guys at the same time. It’s not like that in England. There, when you really like a girl (and pardon me, but English guys don’t say “women,” they talk about dating a girl), then you don’t go out with half a dozen others… … … If only they had known how unspecial they were to her at the time; just another cock on the carousel.”

    I had just the very opposite experience with a British boy. While he was dating me, taking me along to family functions and proclaiming undying affections, he was going out with half a dozen other girls. Though he was a talented flirt, his weakness is apparent in his poorly-fabricated lies. It didn’t take me long to find out. I am plain not interested to be one of the girls on his lazy-susan and I told him just that, showed him the door and that’s it.

    So really, is this screwing around an American women phenomenon?

    Maybe not.

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  601. most guys in overseas marriage are ugly/average guys who want a hot woman 20 to 10 years younger that they didn’t get in America.
    Notice how all their marriages include younger attractive women.

    Look at online dating in America men don’t want women their own age. Men over 30 want women in their 20s. Men over 40cwant women in their 20s and 30s. You get the idea.

    Ugly/average american men think it’s settling when they go for ugly/average women. They do they finally get sick of the hot girl who wants an equally hot man. But then the ugly/average man finds that the ugly/average women wants a hot guy.

    So hot women become shallow for wanting an equally attractive man. But the ugly/average guy is never shallow for wanting a hot woman.

    So ugly/average women have high standards when they want a hot man. But the ugly/average guy is never hypocritical for doing the same thing.

    Just like no one can convince you that American women are shallow hogs no one can convince me that American men are not shallow when they go for overseas marriages until I see an oder unattractive wife.

    I know how hypocritical guys are they do the whole girls only sleep with bad boys when they’re hot nice guys to marry when they’re old. But men want hotties for friends with benefits, one night stands, short terms and n8ce cute girls for long term. What’s the difference?

    I know men because in high school I was the scrawny but wide hipped chick with the round face but high cheekbones. So I hung out with “nice guys” who drooled over hot girls and made nasty comments about how they were too stuck up to notice that he would be a much better boyfriend then their jock.

    When my mom told me I’d be as pretty as her I laughed but it’s true I’m an hourglass size 00 and my round face and high cheekbones don’t look as weird as I thought. I though girls with circle faces had to have chubby faces to make it work and skinny chicks weren’t supposed to have hips and lean legs. But apparently a slender hourglass and an Audrey Hepburn face (she had a round face) is good for modeling.

    The nice guy friends suddenly wanted me when some the hot chicks got married out of high school or put on 10 to 20 lbs and became a healthy eight.

    The guys who didn’t want me when I was unattractive call me a shallow bitch who thinks she’s too good for her only friends in high school.

    Some went overseas and got 18/19 year olds and said basically I got a younger &hotter girl.

    I don’t care because as a model there is always someone more good looking and I could care less about a girl 2/1 years younger than me.

    Guys who go overseas are just shallow and pathetic men who can’t love a woman when she’s over 30 and will no longer look like she did.

    The ONE guy I had dated actually said thank god you’ll stay hot like your mom. My mom always looked my older sister people think she’s 22 and she’s in her forties now and had 2 other kids in her late 30s.

    I didn’t look at his overweight bald dad and said I can’t be with you since you won’t be hot.

    Shallow men is why I no longer date men and won’t marry a man. Because once I’m unattractive to him he’ll go for my little sister who is 1 year old now but would be in the future 19 years younger than me. If men don’t want to date women their own age who’s to say when I’m 40 he won’t be into my 21 year old sister?

    Men love youth & beauty for all that men complain about money & status loving women at least you can attain lose things and keep it. You’re either beautiful or you’re not. And you don’t stay young.

    /rant

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  602. on March 16, 2011 at 1:28 am Athlone McGinnis

    @udolipixie:

    “I know how hypocritical guys are they do the whole girls only sleep with bad boys when they’re hot nice guys to marry when they’re old. But men want hotties for friends with benefits, one night stands, short terms and n8ce cute girls for long term. What’s the difference?”

    Because in the US one form of shallowness is tolerated/promoted, while the other is not.

    Men are generally shamed when they make clear, stated preferences for women far younger than them. It is not uncommon for a 28 year old here who desires a woman 8-10 years his junior to garner the “pedophile” label. Even an 18-19 year old boy who considers a girl 2-3 years his junior can risk this, and a 40 year old with a stated preference for women 23-28 years old is regulalry labelled a “creep/loser”(unless he is a celebrity, in which case people grudgingly accept it). Everyone here knows men like younger women, but the fact is either rarely acknowledged or just downplayed.

    Women, on the other hand, are encouraged never to settle. When they express their sexuality here(hypergamous desire for older and/or much higher status minority of men), they’re actually encouraged to do it, even if it a) isn’t realistic and/or b) might be dangerous for them. Their sexuality is celebrated with shows like Sex and The City and the like(a show which also included a lot of shaming for men who sought women younger than the main female cast members-even Mr. Big wasn’t immune to it).

    If both sides simply acknowledged all aspects of one another’s sexuality and made efforts to conform to them both and compromise, you’d see a lot of the complaining and arguing(these gender/nationality wars aren’t rare on blogs like this) die down, and the sexual marketplace in America would be less adversarial. But this is not the case. Only one side of the equation is really acknowledged and tolerated in the US(females and their hypergamy), so you get a lot of anger from the other side. This is a big reason why there is so much complaining within the american dating scene.

    As for why men go overseas, it is worth noting that there are many aspects of american culture that are somewhat hostile to men and their sexuality-I just pointed out a big one above. That does reflect in the way American women tend to interact with and treat their men, which is not always favorable.
    Thus, it would be unfair to note desire for younger women as the sole reason for men travelling. In cultures where these trends that are less favorable to males aren’t as common, men do notice an enhanced ability to interact with and connect with their partners positively in a way they cannot in the USA.

    This is something that is often forgotten in the US, which tends to label men as dumb, basic beasts more often than not. While some guys who travel really do have issues like that, quite a few(in fact, I’d argue a majority) want more than just a basic desire to find a young hot girl to keep barefoot and pregnant. In fact, quite a few of these men who travel are highly family oriented(the “nesting” types) who are looking for more substantive qualities in a partner that they can’t find in the US for reasons I’ve mentioned earlier.

    Another thing-men aren’t getting jaded only by girls below their age or girls higher than their attractiveness level. Most young men in the US learn early where they stand in the sexual marketplace through rejection, and they understand that they can’t get model-hot girls.
    The animosity comes when they pursue girls at their own level(which the vast majority of young men are forced to do) and at their own age(which is the case for most of the younger men 17-25 in the manosphere-in fact, many of them dated women slightly older than them). These women often prove no more welcoming to them than the super hot model/head cheerleader was. Hence, discontent and confusion.

    Male complaints, contrary to popular belief, are not always sourced from shallow and/or entirely misogynistic/baseless origins. They’re not baseless either. Rather, they tend to result from the trend I mentioned at the beginning of this comment: female sexuality and related concerns are accepted and encouraged, but male sexuality and related concerns are not accepted to the same extent.

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  603. Amazing..always the same song and dance with some american women. If a man even CONSIDERS a foreign lady, he is labeled a loser, not a “REAL” man, shallow, etc. List goes on and on. Not to mention you seem to view your foreign counterparts as 2nd best, because you say only LOSERS go for them. Hey whatever helps you sleep at night. Funny while you bash the men and sometimes the women who date them by labeling them..feminists went OUT of there way to get IMBRA passed and enforced by Big Sis government. (A law that is the epitome of desperation IMO) If anything..a LOT of american women have lost the femininity and grace most women still hold. Then you play the independent-don’t-need-a-man card and you STILL bitch if a man goes for a more feminine woman. I believe I even read a woman saying on here that a man and his children deserve to have their heads riddled with bullets. Yes PLEASE keep your negative ball busting stereotype alive. What an idiot. On a side note, I have learned not to listen to what women see as ALPHA or a REAL man. If anything, nowadays it means pay me, buy me this, buy me that, and roll over like a good little boy. Well luckily for me, Im moving out of this country ran by the Big Sis Govt.

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  604. @udolipixie

    What a load of crap. Most men who date overseas are well off..buisness men, and eve our soldiers. Squall had a point about IMBRA however. This dating police law is a laughingstock and it only hurts the reputation of american women. Funny how at first, when overseas dating was just starting to rise feminists simply shamed the men who did so and claimed that they did that simply because they couldnt GET an american woman..elitist much? Then I believe they started to REALLY pay attention to the types of men who dated overseas. They saw the wealthy business man..the soldier..the well off traveler and THEN they pass the dating police law known as IMBRA. Sad really. If anything it makes them look like women who are simply upset at the fact that their meal ticket is moving away.

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