The Biggest Misogynists Are Other Women

Think about some of the worst insults you could call a woman:

Slut.
Whore.
Skank.

These words are powerful because they strike right at the thermal core of a woman’s self-conception — they are reputation-killing words, and in the shark-eat-shark waters of the sexual market a woman’s reputation can mean the difference between getting pumped and dumped by the man of her dreams and getting him to commit. The best way to get a man to propose marriage is to be a virgin.

Who deploys these words in vengeful anger and spiteful slander? Not men. For example, when men use the word “slut” it’s usually with their male buddies as an exercise in identifying the women most likely to put out on the first date. Men will almost never call a woman a slut to her face unless it’s a bitter, jilted ex-boyfriend looking to score points, nor will they tell the woman’s girlfriends that she is a slut. Why kill the loose goose that lays the golden lays?

Women use them against other women. It’s women whispering gossip and innuendo in the ears of whatever female node on their social network is willing to listen, subconsciously calculating that the souldiss will find its way to the intended target. Why do they do this? Because sluts, whores, and skanks make it harder for other girls to use sex as a bargaining chip to extract commitment from quality men and keep it once it is made. Sluts are traitors to the sisterhood, undermining the prime directive and making it more difficult for the commitment whores to get what they want.

It’s all supply and demand, and right now the supply is saturating the market (for qualified buyers).

Note that words like “cunt” and “bitch” don’t cut with the same eviscerating precision when used by women. A cunt or bitch can often be very sexy and still get what she wants from men. Calling a girl a cunt is most effective when wielded by men because disparaging a woman’s personality carries more weight when it comes from a man. For this reason, women (especially “tankgrrls” like the aging cougar brigade and sassy sister soldierettes you see infesting DC) co-opt cunt and bitch for themselves in a feeble and transparent attempt to neutralize the words of their explosive power.

The thermonuclear 1,000 megaton bomb of female-targeted insults is the word UGLY. It is so powerful you will rarely hear women use it against even their worst girl enemies, and most men are loathe to launch this verbal missile. It isn’t a misogynistic word since it is gender neutral, but given the double standards of human nature it doesn’t pack the same wallop when used against a man. Timing, context, and delivery are everything if you decide to detonate this MOAB.

The male equivalent is LOSER.





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  1. The word “c—” is insulting not because it attacks a woman’s personality (in what way, exactly?), but because it reduces her to the sum of her sexual parts, and then implies – because “c—” is an onomatopicaly ugly word – that those parts are inferior or disgusting. To call a woman a c— is to imply that to you she is no more than an empty hole.

    Clio

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  2. The worst thing to call a man is Coward. It’s worse than Loser.

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  3. “Whore” may be used mainly by other women, but its shortened version “ho” seems to be used primarily by men.

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  4. The best way to get a man to propose marriage is to be a virgin.

    Unless you are David Alexander. Then the virginity becomes a liability, and he will probably dump you for a new hard drive filled with porn.

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  5. There’s a good meta-analysis showing that females are the more likely sex to suppress other females’ sexuality, across all cultures:

    Baumeister & Twenge (2002), “Cultural suppression of female sexuality.” Review of General Psychology, 6(2): 166-203.

    How early does it start? Here’s a 13 year-old girl mercilessly teasing her friend about making a move on a boy, but in a humorous way so that she has plausible deniability / doesn’t get beaten up.

    Her word choice, vocal inflection, and timing / delivery are great — one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Also great are the teased girl’s reactions.

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  6. Yeah, coward is brutal to a man. Especially if it comes from a woman. Now that cuts as deep and heavy as the sea, son. Although if a chick starts talking shit about the size of your janx or lack thereof, now that is fucking grimey.

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  7. I would think calling a woman “fat” would be worse.

    There is nothing that cuts deeper into a man than being called a coward.

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  8. By the way Agnostic, do you remember the video you posted and Kassy K called the dancing girl a slut?

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  9. Consider who around you is generally approval giving and who is disapproval giving, and rank high to low your perception of their self-esteem. It’ll be easy to conclude where disapproval stems from.

    What can give you insights about yourself is is how you handle disapproval when dished out on YOU.

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  10. There is nothing that cuts deeper into a man than being called a coward.

    So is it going to cut deep in your manhood if someone (make that an alpha guy or a 10 gal for good effect) calls you a coward?

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  11. on June 17, 2008 at 6:51 pm tsurupettan

    I would think calling a woman “fat” would be worse.

    You can always lose fat, but you can’t do much about ugly facial features. Therefore, ugly wins.

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  12. I would think calling a woman “fat” would be worse.

    You can always lose fat, but you can’t do much about ugly facial features. Therefore, ugly wins.

    Quite right.
    There’s also a fairly well-known “fat acceptance” movement, but if there’s a counterpart for ugly people no one has ever heard of it.

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  13. There is no male equivalent to being called a “slut” or a “bitch” as those are both desirable traits in a man. I agree that coward is probably the worst, then loser, worthless, and douchebag. Douchebag, thought, gets thrown around a lot by women and men not in your kind of crew i.e. hipsters calling late night shoters douchebags, and vice versa.

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  14. There’s another angle to guys using “slut,” “whore,” etc. — the monogamous guys. A guy who tends a harem would use “slut” against his harem members, to scare them away from cheating on him. A guy who sleeps around would use “slut” to note who would give it up easily.

    But a monogamous “good dad” guy uses the word “slut” to control his own thoughts. He knows that his urges compel him to sleep with attractive, promiscuous girls, so he tells himself (not other females) that they’re contaminated and dirty — that they’re sluts.

    The disgust reflex is one of the strongest in humans, and when we want to find a way to keep us from doing something, we almost always frame it as avoiding something disgusting. Mixing with other races is “polluting the genepool,” for example.

    And I don’t mean he convinces himself that they have infectious diseases — he could know that she has a clean bill of health, and he’d still say she was a contaminated slut.

    do you remember the video you posted and Kassy K called the dancing girl a slut?

    Yeah, and I mentioned that she was slandering a girl who she sees as competition (as much as you may deny that, Kassy!).

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  15. Women today are most likely to call another woman a “slut” not when she is promiscuous – a label that’s very hard to define just now – but if she appears to be a boyfriend- or husband-stealer.

    Clio

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  16. Here’s a free PDF of that article on females undermining each other’s sexuality the most:

    http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/baumeistertwenge2002.pdf

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  17. You can always lose fat, but you can’t do much about ugly facial features. Therefore, ugly wins.

    Who would you rather sleep with, a woman with ugly facial features but a smokin’ body, or a woman wrapped in huge folds of hanging flesh, but who had a pretty face buried beneath her double chins?

    I thought so.

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  18. on June 17, 2008 at 8:30 pm Yakking Guy

    “The worst thing to call a man is Coward. It’s worse than Loser.”

    In gym class or prison, sure. But without a context that references a particular situation (e.g., http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm), it seems to me to be not nearly as meaningful (and thus as cutting) as “loser.” Ballsy or not, a loser can get none but the dregs of women.

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  19. Who would you rather sleep with

    Neither. The ugly face would neutralize any effect of the nice body while the fat pretty face would have no effect against the huge folds of flesh. In both cases, a well done masturbatory session should work wonders in having a superior sexual experience.

    Mind you, with some weight loss, plastic surgery, and fake tits, the latter can be salvageable if you’re willing to spend the money.

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  20. Coward is a worse thing to call a man than loser because it’s sometimes possible for man on the receiving end to put a sort-of positive spin on the latter term. Depending on the circumstances, he might be able to claim that he just has a relaxed attitude toward life, not being some Type-A overachiever, is just waiting for the right opportunity, etc. Of course this won’t work at all times and in all contexts, but at least there’s the chance of making the “loser” term sound something other than 100% negative.

    As for coward, however, I can’t even begin to imagine how that can be spun in any way.

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  21. Because sluts, whores, and skanks make it harder for other girls to use sex as a bargaining chip to extract commitment from quality men and keep it once it is made.

    Reminded me of “The Manipulated Man”

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  22. Ballsy or not, a loser can get none but the dregs of women.

    and coward or not, a winner can get lots of hot women.

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  23. Who would you rather sleep with, a woman with ugly facial features but a smokin’ body, or a woman wrapped in huge folds of hanging flesh, but who had a pretty face buried beneath her double chins?

    Permit me an ode to what one might call the High End Fattie (HEF). For me, as for a lot of men, facial beauty is primary, so if a girl has and 8+ face, I really don’t care if a she is a little chubby. Sometimes, in fact, I almost prefer it, though, take note ladies, there are limits. (Also note that chubbiness does _not_ age as well as being slender. See Gwen Stefani)

    I always wondered why girls with so so faces and athletic bodies often still think they are all that, while some really pretty girls, even those with 9+ faces, who happen to be a bit bigger tend to be rather insecure. A lot of them are really, really happy to have you approach.

    I should say that, ladies, even if you are never going to be slim, you need to hit the gym. No matter your size, you need to be in shape. Cellulite is gross.

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  24. #18
    “a woman wrapped in huge folds of hanging flesh, but who had a pretty face buried beneath her double chins?”

    Such women don’t exist. Shallow Hal was just a movie.

    And don’t push the point too far regarding hot bodies. A 9-10 body + a 5 face is about an 8
    A 9-10 body + a 1 face is a 2 if you screw with the lights off or your eyes shut.
    But again, one doesn’t see such combinations in real life. The body and face are within 4 points of each other 95% of the time.

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  25. I think men’s biggest untoucheable sore spot is their thinning hair.

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  26. The best way to get a man to propose marriage is to be a virgin.

    I don’t get the virginity obsession. I’m not saying guys want a car with 300,000 miles on it, but most of us want to at least give it a test drive before we sign the papers so we can make sure it comes with all the features we want, like A/C, satellite radio, and blowjobs.

    #5 agnostic
    Her word choice, vocal inflection, and timing / delivery are great — one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.

    Really? That you’ve ever seen? You need to stop hanging out in 16+ clubs, son.

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  27. a little chubby

    A little chubby in America is average, and I agree that it’s nice. I don’t like the scrawny look either. But fat in America is FAT. There’s a ton of enormous women out there. Make that ten tons. And they’re pretty repulsive.

    Such women don’t exist. Shallow Hal was just a movie.

    ummm, no, they exist.

    The body and face are within 4 points of each other 95% of the time.

    That’s because much of what we call “ugly” with respect to facial features is the effect of being too fat — extra chins, big cheeks, etc.

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  28. heyy…just thought you would want a little update about your idol paul janka.

    http://gawker.com/tag/paul-janka/?i=5016848&t=paul-janka-brushes-off-attempted-date-rape-charge

    this might make you rethink some things.

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  29. just thought you would want to have a little update on your idol, paul janka

    http://gawker.com/tag/paul-janka/?i=5016848&t=paul-janka-brushes-off-attempted-date-rape-charge

    looks like you might want to rethink some things…

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  30. But fat in America is FAT.

    I live in Canada and the women here keep in a lot better shape. I hear you though about the U.S. My cousin goes to school in Tennessee and apparently it is just appalling.

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  31. MQ is arguing that “coward” is not as bad as “loser” but he’s right only in the dating market context.

    Peter (and others) are right that “coward” is the worst thing to call a man, in general. Incidentally, in Slavic languages, “traitor” (“zdrajca” [pron. ZDRAY-tsa] which varies slightly from Russian, to Polish, to Serb, etc) is almost as bad, but it doesn’t carry the same sting in English.

    Like Peter said, a loser may have redeeming qualities or circumstances. A Coward, not much, beyond possibly as an Andy Kauffman-type comic figure. A loser Vietnam vet can be a cool guy.

    Forgetting chicks for a moment, what’s the most chilling thing you can see your father calling you: a loser or a coward?

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  32. on June 17, 2008 at 10:03 pm Jim Rockford

    I disagree with the effort towards monogamy — most men value their wives companionate love and would wish to avoid hurting them. They’ll either conceal affairs or not have them in the first place. A genuinely close, long-lasting relationship means the man depends on the woman for emotional support and reassurance and gains value for providing the same, and would not risk it.

    That system is not foolproof by any means, but it does exist. Most of the longtime married guys I know abide by it. They get self-value by being virtuous and avoiding giving their wife pain. Their wives are often their closest emotional intimates.

    As for labeling, I’m not sure it has that great power anymore for either men or women since people are very mobile, socially and physically. Who cares if you are labeled a slut by female friends, when you can simply move somewhere else and start all over again? Same for coward or loser.

    I think the power that does exist for slut among women is the perception that the woman chose badly, a man the other girls do not want, and consider a “loser.” A man lesser in status.

    For a man, the “coward” label is more cutting among men (women don’t care about bravery/cowardice) because it says they cannot be relied upon as other man can to respond to a threat or emergency. It doesn’t always equate to physical risk either — it might mean going against the crowd socially, as an independent individual. This is why the political cowardice holds hard for men, and is irrelevant for women. Men like to at least perceive themselves (in the West, tribal societies are different) as independent and beholden to no one. Neither a slave nor a master. Women of course always go with the crowd as a general rule, Oprah’s career is built on telling them what’s cool and hip.

    But the “loser” label means from a woman “I will never sleep with you, and neither will any other woman.” Therefore, from a woman it’s cutting. A man calling another a “loser” is irrelevant, since physical or moral courage can always put the accuser in his place. Even a bum on the street can jump on railroad tracks to rescue a fallen commuter. He is a hero with the respect and admiration of other men. No woman would sleep with him of course.

    While a man may be a coward, and still have women panting to sleep with him because of his status and power. Bill Clinton vs. Bob illustrate this. Clinton had women panting all over him despite his draft-dodging calculations, while genuine War Hero Bob Dole was considered a “loser” despite his heroics in WWII Italy that left him permanently crippled. Or perhaps Pacific Theater War Hero G HW Bush, who flew Navy dive bombers against the Japanese (around 30% casualty rate).

    How women view men and how men view other men are radically different. A man who views a woman as a “slut” however is unlikely to want a long-term relationship with her. The calculation is she’s unlikely to be faithful.

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  33. “what’s the most chilling thing you can see your father calling you: a loser or a coward?”

    It would be damned chilling to hear my dad even call me to dinner, seeing as he is deceased.

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  34. To weigh in on the coward/loser debate:

    Loser is a much more subjective term–definitions of what exactly qualifies a ‘loser’ may very greatly from person to person. Your loser may be my hero. Viz. I have often heard people using the term to describe those who aren’t dyed-in-the-proverbial-wool conformists–people I find to be the very antithesis of loser.

    Coward, however, is a much more narrowly interpreted insult. Being a coward is never desirable, in any circumstance. There is no room for subjective assessment of the situation, a coward is a coward.

    Losers may be labeled as such due to their difference from the ascribing party, in ideology, mannerism, attitude, or whatever else, without a universally accepted median by which to judge absolute worth, or the ‘degree of loser’. The term has no relative absolute with which to justify itself. A loser may honestly be everything he wishes to be, and therefore will take no notice of his judgment by one with a differing and irrelevant perspective, thereby negating the insult altogether.

    Cowards are clearly more despicable, as they work against their own principles out of fear. Their absolute is their own, and they fail to live up to it by their own volition and their own weakness.

    In short, losers have no choice; cowards have knowingly made the wrong one.

    Also, the worst thing you can call a girl is her twin sister’s name. Especially if her sister is the fat twin.

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  35. Other posters beat me to it: a girl would rather be called ugly than be called a fatass. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, and you can blame your genes. Plus there’s always an old Persian man who’ll overlook it. But fatass is your own damn mayonnaise-scarfing fault. Face it, ugly is skin deep. Fat is skin and then a whole lot of goddamn fat deep.

    And coward is way worse than loser. The only men who think otherwise are sissies. A man can lose with dignity, but there is no dignity in cowardice. It’s just like fat/ugly; life can deal you a shitty hand, but you make the choice to run from the table.

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  36. Reggie, old man — I’m sorry that your sense of humor is becoming as narrow as your shriveling penis, but some of us are sophisticated enough to know that enjoying one type of funny doesn’t prevent us from enjoying another. Gimme funny, wherever it comes from.

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  37. Let’s hand it to the man who gave himself a scarlet letter during a bar pickup attempt near the end of his famous Flash video production:
    http://www.oddtodd.com/index2.html

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  38. No, he’s is right and it’s a good point. “Loser” is the worst thing to call a man and actually the exact equivalent to “fat” or “ugly” for a woman. A man is supposed to win the achievement game, a woman to be beautiful.

    “Coward” doesn’t matter much compared to the overwhelming salience of whether you actually win or actually lose in the game of life. Dick Cheney got six Vietnam deferments and never went to the war. You think he gives a shit if some pissed-off loser of a Vietnam vet calls him a coward?

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  39. A coward is always a loser but a loser is not necessarily always a coward. I think coward cuts deeper because it speaks to some ancient, primordial, primitive concept of masculine strength, power, audacity and fearlessness that is inbred in most males, despite modern industrialized society. Or perhaps the eviscerating nature of modern society only enhances the the power of the word, since there are so few opportunities now really to exhibit traditional forms of masculine heroism. The office drone daydreams about great acts of heroism, or watches movies as such, while at the same time fearing his female boss and offering his castrated balls on daily basis for her to feed on. Then, after work, he returns to his middle class slavery of nagging wife and whiny children, endless bills, boring responsibilities, etc. Clint Eastwood once mentioned how movies like Dirty Harry were made for the guy sitting in the theater who could never have such a life, or act so bravely. Yet he still fantasizes about it.

    As far as fat women, chubby is fine so long as the woman is pretty. I have happily fucked a few chubby women myself, but they were all pretty. Fat however is disgusting. One of the most disgusting things you see on so many women now is what I have heard called “front-ass”: that bulge of fat on the front of a woman that is larger than her already gigantic ass behind. You know, the one that hangs down to her knees. Gross.

    Masturbating to porn is a much better alternative then ever getting into bed with one of these beasts. Yet America today is infested with them.

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  40. Either Janka has learned to take “no” for an answer, or he hasn’t. Frankly, I would want a court to decide, and the whole “he said, she said” element of it gives me pause. One would think that with 146 women saying “Yes”, the “No”s would sting somewhat less, enough to avoid crass ego-driven acting-out, let alone sexual assault. So perhaps he’s a massive douche and a sex offender, with massive anger, power, and control issues. He’s still one of the more interesting pick-up gurus because his consensual sex life thrives in a major trendy urban area despite his constant non-conformity to putative standards of “worthiness” and material achievement as a sine qua non for success with women. He might be interesting mainly as a trainwreck, like Joe Francis, but he’s still interesting and newsworthy.

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  41. A lot of macho sentimentality here about the coward/loser thing. I thought this blog was about seeing our dark and unfair world clearly. I agree we would live in a better world if it was worse to be a coward than a loser. But in this real world we live in it is clearly worse to be a loser. Certainly other people are more contemptuous of you. People bend over backwards to make excuses for winners who are cowards, while at best they make a grudging exception for losers who are brave. Who really cares that John Wayne got out of military service in WWII? He’s still John Wayne.

    Bear in mind we are talking about *losers* here — losers in life, not people who put in a good effort at a football game but come out on the short end of the score. Likewise, we’re talking about real winners here — people who make lots of money, gain lots of celebrity, etc.

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  42. I would like to just point out the glory of a moist, glistening shaved mound.
    http://tinyurl.com/6mnku7

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  43. Incidentally, my father was once an acquaintance of Janka’s father, Karel Janka, and I remember that Janka sr. once raised the issue of my meeting his son back in our earlier Ivy undergrad days. (It never worked out as we were at separate Ivies, although from the same neighborhood back home.) K. Janka is an absolute treasure of a man, an ebullient self-made immigrant. I am shocked at this turn of events, as I am shocked by the reasons for his son’s fame. In ’94-’95 our fathers were discussing a possible dot-com startup, not massive pick-up success.

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  44. Good point.
    Slut.
    Whore.
    Skank

    When a woman calls some random woman one of these ^^^ names , its either projection or she is sexually repressed.

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  45. “Likewise, we’re talking about real winners here — people who make lots of money, gain lots of celebrity, etc.”

    IE… (based on your criteria) people like Britney Spears, Kate Moss and Lindsay Lohan! A veritable triumvirate of triumph.

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  46. Another reason why “coward” is much worse than “loser” is that it’s much easier to redeem oneself in the latter case. People think you’re a loser? Go look for work, go back to school, show some motivation, do something along this line and people will stop thinking of you as a loser. If you’re considered a coward, in contrast, the only way you’ll prove people wrong is by acting bravely when faced with a crisis situation. Easier said than done, as such situations don’t come along often.

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  47. on June 18, 2008 at 2:01 am Brucie Baby

    “Likewise, we’re talking about real winners here — people who make lots of money, gain lots of celebrity, etc.”

    IE… (based on your criteria) people like Britney Spears, Kate Moss and Lindsay Lohan! A veritable triumvirate of triumph…. a real cross-section of those who are genetically different…

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  48. i disagree. i’m a 26 year old female, some of my girl friends are as young as 22 and none of us use “whore, skank, or slut” in a derogatory way. everyone i’ve ever heard use it is just joking. for example: “whats up slut? why didn’t you call me back yesterday?”

    look on facebook. tons of people write things on their friends’ walls like “i love you ho bag”.

    only people my mom’s age find this offensive.

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  49. Paul Janka is very good-looking and appears almost praeternaturally calm and confident. That plus game is a powerful combination.

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  50. 49: LOL. This is true, the world is changing. Women are just as sexual as men, and all the old ways of holding them back are crumbling.

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  51. on June 18, 2008 at 2:42 am Johnny Alpha

    Totally agree with mq. Honor and bravery might have been held in high regard during generations (think the Middle Ages, or the Confederacy), but that’s not really true today. Modern society pays lip service to the old ideals, but it rewards the folks who do whatever it takes to win, regardless of principle.

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  52. on June 18, 2008 at 3:03 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @49 amanda

    “i disagree. i’m a 26 year old female, some of my girl friends are as young as 22 and none of us use “whore, skank, or slut” in a derogatory way. everyone i’ve ever heard use it is just joking. for example: “whats up slut? why didn’t you call me back yesterday?”

    look on facebook. tons of people write things on their friends’ walls like “i love you ho bag”.

    only people my mom’s age find this offensive.”

    —-
    I have so many things to say to you, but I will let someone else say it for me.

    “All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

    — Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)”

    P.S. and this proves the Fairer Sex in general, but not All, are finally acknowledging the world’s oldest profession, without shame, in their Adjectives towards one another.
    And their anger for those, who give it away for free. (filthy communist sluts)

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  53. It might seem like a small difference, but “fugly” is a better term. Calling another girl ugly just makes you jealous, but calling her fugly works better. I’m not sure why this is so…

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  54. I have to chime in on the fat thing, if only because of the permanent inferiority complex I’d develop about some of my past partners if I didn’t. Our cultural put-downs never expect fat women to ever be bright, or vibrant, or funny, or sensual, but tree-hugging corners of the Left Coast where everyone was forced to “play nice” have produced fat women who CAN be and ARE all of the things they’re “not allowed” to be. The flip side is that it is very often at least partly an act, so if you DO mention weight in any negative way you’ll be treated to a crying jag and massive recriminations.

    I don’t know what to do about that, except keep my mouth shut or date thin women. Kind of makes getting back to being an extrovert and improving game a priority. I was an ugly extrovert for years, and only had any success with women when I learned how to game every step of the way.

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  55. Gannon and Agnostic–Wow, again you skew what I say and mean yet again for your own weird ideology.

    Here I am…the friend that has all hot friends (not on purpose–I just love pretty women)…who LOVES having hot friends…who LOVES women…and who is the first girl to set up a friend with someone great and give women compliments because I mean them.

    In fact…I was given the label of Biggest Flirt once because of my love for WOMEN.

    I NEVER called her a slut. EVER.

    So please don’t bring me into this. I said she DANCED like a slut. And she did. I would never call HER a slut. Calling a dance slutty and a girl slutty are two very different things.

    I have been known to call men sluts. Does that make me jealous of them?

    So please don’t bring me into this when that is not HOW I am at all.

    Its really offensive to call someone something they are not.

    Its like telling a peacemaker that they are causing war.

    Its cruel and quite honestly makes you both sound like bitchy queens.

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  56. #56 “…like bitchy queens”

    Or fat & fugly cunts?

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  57. Not sure if that is logged at me or them…but if you think I am fat or fugly…that is your choice….I am quite skinny but fugly is your opinion and thats ok.

    If that was just a regular comment and I am being defensive (in which case, I apologize)…Yes, bitchy queen as a term for men can be the equivalent of fat or fugly cunts for women.

    Definately.

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  58. on June 18, 2008 at 6:31 am johnny five

    #35 jim rockford

    As for labeling, I’m not sure it has that great power anymore for either men or women since people are very mobile, socially and physically. Who cares if you are labeled a slut by female friends, when you can simply move somewhere else and start all over again? Same for coward or loser.

    jim, do realize that the internet has numbered the days of such concepts as “starting all over again”, at least among all but the lowest tiers of society – the tiers consisting largely of those who, in one of life’s crueler ironies, simply can’t afford to start all over again.
    we are fast approaching a time in which social networking sites will be indistinguishable from social networking itself. at that point, we will find that society has regressed to a high-tech simulacrum of the ancestral hominid village, in which “everybody knows your name” – even after last call.

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  59. on June 18, 2008 at 6:47 am johnny five

    amanda #49:

    i disagree. i’m a 26 year old female, some of my girl friends are as young as 22 and none of us use “whore, skank, or slut” in a derogatory way. everyone i’ve ever heard use it is just joking. for example: “whats up slut? why didn’t you call me back yesterday?”

    i see.

    so, by analogy, i suppose the ubiquity of ‘nigga’ in america’s black communities has rendered that particular term anodyne as well. why don’t you take a walk around, say, the west end of louisville, and use it to build rapport with the locals?

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  60. I said she DANCED like a slut. And she did. I would never call HER a slut. Calling a dance slutty and a girl slutty are two very different things.

    You would take it almost as the same thing if she said it to you, though. “You dance like a slut,” or “You dress like a slut,” or “You talk like a slut.”

    Everyone is going to interpret these remarks, rightly, as a disguised way of saying “You’re probably a slut” (if it quacks like a duck…), again with the usual girl defense that “Oh, I meant you only dance, dress, and talk like a slut — I don’t know if you actually are one or not.” Dude, you know you would slap a bitch in the face if she said that to you.

    It’s nothing personal, though; we were just using that example since it was fresh in our minds. It’s like if the post were about guys calling each other losers or fags, and someone used a recent example of mine.

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  61. I never understood how loser could be considered a powerful and insulting word in American culture. Maybe it’s because I was born and raised in another country and never experienced the childhood trauma verbatim.

    Being a “winner” means winning at life, contrastingly being dubbed a loser means sucking ass at life. Loser is kind of weak to me as an insult, infact neither hit home as far as praise and ridicule are concerned. Bearing in mind the brash nature of American culture and all it encompasses-you’d think phrases the more vulgar words/phrases would be considered more insulting.

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  62. At this point in my life a lot of people could call me a loser, and given current circumstances they might have a point. But I’m not in the dating game, and I don’t really care. Actually, even if I were in the dating game I wouldn’t really care. And people wouldn’t call me that to my face, I don’t think. Maybe that’s the distinction to men: losers can call cowards on their failing to their quivering facade, but cowards will only call guys loser behind their backs.

    BTW, men can get over cowardice, although it isn’t easy. Good men I’ve known have turned tail and run like rabbits at certain points in their lives, and then later redeemed themselves. But to me no honest, true man is a loser. he’s pretty clear about the fact that he’s explaining the female perspective, and he’s right on, but I just don’t give a damn about that in the here and now. Maybe that makes me a loser to women, but they are currently the least of my concern. I have kids after all, and I’d toss any winking slut off a sinking ship to save them if that were my only choice.

    Is it very strange of me to care more about my kids than another lay? Someone please tell me, because I’m not sure whether I have a problem that way or not.

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  63. “Being a “winner” means winning at life, contrastingly being dubbed a loser means sucking ass at life. Loser is kind of weak to me as an insult, infact neither hit home as far as praise and ridicule are concerned.”

    It’s pretty interesting that neither of those insults have hit home for me either. I think it’s because the states of being a “loser” or a “coward” can be transcended. A man can be a loser in one circumstance, but a winner in others…just as cowardice can be overcome by bravery.

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  64. on June 18, 2008 at 6:59 am johnny five

    this post is spot on as usual, but it ignores one crucial distinction between the ways in which males and females utilize insults. namely:
    when males insult females, they do so to convey either personal animus or unpleasant truth, with little regard to the long-term effects of those insults in the social hierarchy.
    when females insult either females or males, they do so to undermine their targets in some sort of social hierarchy, with little regard to the literal truth of the insults.

    as a result, ‘loser’ has two starkly differing meanings. when uttered by a male, it normally points to some actual failure or lack of achievement; when uttered by a female, it’s simply a barb meant to relegate its target to omega status, with very little correlation to actual loser-ness.

    oh yeah, and i should add this before he gets the chance to say it himself:
    you will never hear a man call a woman a ‘loser’. you know why? because women’s achievements are socially irrelevant.

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  65. I would have to agree with 63 and 64. But then again, I’m not American, either. And I’m not easily insulted anyhow.

    It’s much easier to tick me off by either putting words in mouth (expect to be called on it and if you insist on it, verbal hell may well descend on you), ignoring what I say, mostly by repeatedly telling me to do something I won’t. If I don’t want wine, I won’t drink it, just accept it, will you, do it once and you can get away with it. Do it again and prepare to hear a speech.

    I generally know my opinion (more often than not it is right which helps a lot) and stick to it. Exceedingly so in some cases.

    Generally making me feel like I’m being treated unfairly may have bad results, as well.

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  66. on June 18, 2008 at 12:00 pm Patrick Bateman

    Bearing in mind the brash nature of American culture and all it encompasses-you’d think phrases the more vulgar words/phrases would be considered more insulting.

    When you hear those words all the time, they become less insulting. American men are brutal. If you can’t handle some name calling, you might as well stay home and play dungeons and dragons. If one of my close friends is relating a negative story to us about why he won’t fuck some girl or something similarly beta, a common response is to shove a finger in his mouth mid sentence, hook it into his cheek and ask him, “What’s the matter? Want some fingers in that pussy?”. This obviously is intended to make the man compensate by being more masculine and actually fucking the bitch. If you can bare having your mouth likened to a pussy and then violated with a finger, you can take all the vulgar insults in the world. But loser strikes directly at your manhood. It means you have no value to the opposite sex. You can’t attract money and you can’t attract women. You are practically sterile.

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  67. Honor and bravery might have been held in high regard during generations … but that’s not really true today.

    The point that MQ and the other guy are missing is that courage (the opposite of cowardice) is not just of the extreme physical kind, storming the beach at Normandy. Hell, even wartime military service is 98% boredom and 2% action.

    It’s everday acts of courage or cowardice that count.

    For example, you’re walking with your girl, and some guy, slightly larger than you shoves you, or hits on her. Do you stare him down and he backs off? Or do you grin and try to show you’re “cool” ?

    Or, a thuggish punk shows up at your door mumbling something about wanting to see your teenage daughter. Does he then walk away, shaken as though he had realized that he had crossed Tony Soprano, or does he give you a contemptuous look as you call for your litlle punkin?

    Everyday modern life gives a man many opportunities to decide whether to walk with his head high or not.

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  68. on June 18, 2008 at 12:22 pm finefantastic

    i prefer “sloptart”.

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  69. @KassyK
    “Here I am…the friend that has all hot friends (not on purpose–I just love pretty women)…”
    That doesn’t surprise me. Pretty women always have pretty friends. Ugly women tend to have ugly friends. Fat women tend to have fat friends. In fact, women practice assortive friendships. Ideally, her friend should be around equally as hot so they can go together seducing men. I don’t see beautiful women have ugly female friends. As a matter of fact, goodlooking women discriminate ugly women. Male friendship on the other hand is based usually on mutual interests, so a jock can befriend a nerd if both like to play tabletennis.
    I don’t want to be mean to you KassyK, but your post about calling the 17 year old girl’s dancing slutty got my attention and I remember it well. The video was about a young 17 year old girl dancing moving sensually her arse. There were already a few mean comments about the girl. If you are so kindhearted, why didn’t you praise the honest efforts of a young girl to dance and valued her efforts? Instead instinctively and subconciously you felt threatened and had to call her a slut in a move to try to diminish her attractiveness.

    “but if you think I am fat or fugly…that is your choice….I am quite skinny but fugly is your opinion and thats ok.”
    Why do all women want to be skinny? Why is there a contest among women to see who is the skinniest? Men want normal women with feminine developed arses and breasts. I know Kassy K that you want me to call you skinny. I don’t believe that you are skinny… but instead you are perfect: you have a developed femenine body, with nice breasts and a perfect rounded butt, which is very inviting and reeks of fertility. Also, women in their late twenties who are skinny don’t look that good because they show early wrinkles. Leave skinny to the teens and early twenty women.

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  70. I remember the video that KassyK was referring to. And she was right: the girl in the video did move around like a skank. She looked like she was trying to shake loose a turd.

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  71. @PA: maybe it’s just my latino culture showing, but that girl could probably be a good cumbia and salsa dancer. Latin girls just love to shake their asses.

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  72. I think that calling a man a “cunt”, can be pretty degrading, especially in the way the British do. Also “pussy” is used mainly to degrade a guy, and is on par with “looser”, in terms of emotional response. Also, to have maximum effect on a girl, combination insults are typicall used, i.e; “you fat, ugly, bitch!”

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  73. I don’t deny that she had good motor skills. But there is a vulgar and an alluring way of shaking it. Latin dances are a play of suggestion, not an on-the-floor copulatuion.

    A woman’s power of attraction lies in her knowing what to show and what to hide. This girl, with her jackhammer copulatory motions and a gross squatting position, was not attractive.

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  74. I tend to agree that Coward, while subjective between Men vs. Women, is worse than Loser. A good analogy, for Civil War buffs out there is the difference between Ambrose Burnside and George McClellan.

    Burnside, ever the agressor, essentially marched the entire Army of the Potomac (I’m over simplifying here) up the hill towards Robert E Lee’s Army at Fredricksburg and more or less allowed it to be shot to pieces, continuing to throw good money after bad by sending frontal assualt after frontal assault (in what turned out to be an unfortunate and unheaded preview of the butchery in World War 1). He is also a major player involved with the Union Massacre during the Battle of the Crater during the Petersburg Campaign. Burnside, according to everyone around him, and by his own admission, was a loser when it came to war. Yet he remained well liked and went on to success following the war.

    George McClellan, well loved by his troops, built one of the best armies of the later 19th Century and the essentially refused to use it. Always seeing Confederate troops where none existed, he squandered what should have been the utter annilation of Lee’s troops and the end of the war in 1862 by fearing a non existent counterattack and not pressing his advantage at Antietam. He was subject to a whisper campaign of Cowardice by pro Lincoln forces during the 1864 election, an accusation that exists to this day (rightly or wrongly). McClellan was succesful after the war, but never really lived the accusation down.

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  75. on June 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm Old Ben Kenobi

    This is all massively beta. Only men that base their self worth on what other’s think about them care if they are called a loser or coward. An alpha would laugh in the face of anyone that used either term against him.

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  76. “Loser” is the kind of insult that doesn’t mean much unless the person who uses it really knows the person he is insulting. It’s also often used by the conventional to attack men who have chosen unconventional paths; I would hope that the latter would be strong-minded – and unconventional enough – to ignore them.

    But “coward” is an insult usually tossed in the moment of cowardice, or apparent cowardice, and thus far more insulting. It’s also a serious moral flaw. Losing isn’t, or not necessarily. A man can be a loser through no fault of his own. If it is his fault that he’s a loser, because he’s lazy or shiftless or doesn’t care about his work, then it’s those other accusations that may really hurt him.

    Clio

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  77. Also, remember that in the absence of game, most men are going to go for simple rapport with women by telling their life stories, and if you are in a milieu where doctor/lawyer/indian chief is the norm and you are anything else, you are going to watch the girl’s body language close up or never open up at all. “Loser” is socio-economically relative, which is why a middle-class white male inner-city schoolteacher often can’t get laid to save his life, whereas a Mexican-American college student with a part-time job drowns in the sweet secretions of barrio pussy. It all depends on whether the chicks see you as a step up on THEIR scale. That’s why a 23 year-old secretarial DC 7 is such a hard pull if you’re a 1L or a 1st-year associate in a DC law firm, she’s gunning for a newly-minted age 30 partner or club promoter or someone “out of her league.”

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  78. “Loser” is the kind of insult that doesn’t mean much unless the person who uses it really knows the person he is insulting.

    This is probably true for a male to male insult. However, from a woman, “loser” is the ultimate put down, and how long she has known you is irrelevant, because it doesn’t take _that_ long for a woman to size up a man’s sex appeal.

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  79. > That’s why a 23 year-old secretarial DC 7 is such a hard pull if you’re a 1L or a 1st-year associate in a DC law firm, she’s gunning for a newly-minted age 30 partner or club promoter or someone “out of her league.”

    I just wonder whether a 30year old partner (can you really be partner that young in the US?) would care much for a 7. Or maybe I just watched too much Boston Legal…

    But there is a lot of truth to the rest of your post.

    It also makes me wonder whether there can be too much status making someone intimidating?

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  80. If one of my close friends is relating a negative story to us about why he won’t fuck some girl or something similarly beta, a common response is to shove a finger in his mouth mid sentence, hook it into his cheek and ask him, “What’s the matter? Want some fingers in that pussy?”.

    You actually do this? Are you insane?

    Only men that base their self worth on what other’s think about them care if they are called a loser or coward.

    A huge amount of this blog is devoted to male status anxiety.

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  81. Eurosabra,
    seeing that I will start at a very high prestige company (not law though) in late Fall, we shall see how status and a reasonably high paycheck help. I am reasonably attractive (slim but reasonably toned) but very shy when it comes to women (Interestingly, I have no issues with holding presentations to a room full of people I’ve never seen before).

    Oh and partner by 3*5* is doable in many professional firms (still pretty good though), 30 would be between outstanding and altogether impossible in most.

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  82. on June 18, 2008 at 5:56 pm Comment_On_Coward

    I find it interesting that people, who apparently live in America, have the belief that “coward” is worse than “loser”.

    What exactly does “cowardice” mean to you? When would it actually be used in real conversation, outside of Hollywood nonsense?

    Because honestly, bravery ain’t all that big in America, so I kinda wonder what this “cowardice” actually applies to.

    What has this word become?

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  83. “These words are powerful because they strike right at the thermal core of a woman’s self-conception”

    Yeah… Uh, no.

    Women exist without men. It’s like, a scientifically proven fact, at this point. I swear.

    What you’re talking about is something different. Women who are labeled “sluts” are less valuable to some men. In a society where that means the woman is not protected from other men by a particular man, that can be scary. And yes, women have historically sold each other out, trying to get the most protection. So what?

    Why not stop judging one sex according to the standards of the other, rather than pretend that, “Women call each other names too, so it’s ok when I do it!” You know that’s not a valid argument, don’t you?

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  84. Actually, that should have read, “Women CAN exist without men.”

    We are whole separate people. Honest. We can’t procreate without men, but men can’t do it without us either. Otherwise, we’re fine, even when you don’t think we’re hot enough. Same way that you’re fine even when the shallower girls among us decide that you’re not rich enough.

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  85. on June 18, 2008 at 6:13 pm Obama for President

    Are you a Lesbian Dizzy? You sure are starting to sound that way?

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  86. Dizzy, you dummy, sluts are more valuable to society than running water…but most men will never admit that to you.

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  87. “Are you a Lesbian Dizzy? You sure are starting to sound that way?”

    Would that make me wrong? Or just too smart to sleep with you?

    I can’t believe you still think that, or saying, ‘You must be FAT,” to someone you can’t see, is some sort of effective argument technique. For the last time, you can’t see me.

    Speculating on what I might look like is ridiculous. Especially when you’re the one who spends all your time on the internet complaining that no one will sleep with you.

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  88. “Dizzy, you dummy, sluts are more valuable to society than running water…but most men will never admit that to you.”

    Not following your argument here. But I do agree that sex between adults who dont’ try to pretend that the “transaction” is some sort of win/lose proposition, whereby the man gains points and the woman loses social standing, can be a wonderful thing. That’s what you meant, right?

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  89. Nupnup,

    You can do it quite easily in the hot IP or entertainment law firms by age 30-35, providing you are the kind of godlike rainmaker who can do that. The more “edgy” the specialty, i.e. the more tied to entertainment and “cool” people, the faster. “Godlike rainmaker” is what the chick who wants to date a lawyer really means, anyway. Then comes BigLaw, etc. A friend of mine went from 4 fat chicks a year to a hot (8+ and up) one each week just by going to law school. Of course, he was tremendously physically attractive to begin with, but I consider that an example of the primacy of status and an object lesson. And he’s just a 1st-year-associate at one of LA’s finer (but still small) employment litigation firms.

    But yeah, I doubt a real rainmaker would want a 7. Which leads to the bar scenario he detailed in a previous post, where the girl laps up the attention from “inferior” guys but goes home alone when the rainmaker ignores her. Ladder Theory in practice.

    And yes, status can make you too intimidating, but there’s game to humanize the Alpha Male, too.

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  90. > good thing my cock is 8 inches… from the floor.

    Dude, you’re not supposed to kneel.

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  91. patrick:
    If one of my close friends is relating a negative story to us about why he won’t fuck some girl or something similarly beta, a common response is to shove a finger in his mouth mid sentence, hook it into his cheek and ask him, “What’s the matter? Want some fingers in that pussy?”.

    what do elastic bands and credibility have in common?
    when they are already beginning to fray, it’s unwise to stretch them even further.

    pa:
    For example, you’re walking with your girl, and some guy, slightly larger than you shoves you, or hits on her. Do you stare him down and he backs off? Or do you grin and try to show you’re “cool” ?

    if you have at least some fighting chops, the answer to this question is obvious, but what if you don’t and would thus be absolutely overmatched if fisticuffs (or knifeplay) ensued? that’s a tough decision for a lot of guys. many of today’s middle- and upper-class american 20-something males are still ‘fight virgins’.

    for some reason i’m reminded of the scene in ‘the game’ in which mystery avoided certain maiming and possible death by convincing a bunch of slavic thugs of his ability to incapacitate their brain cells with a snap of the fingers.

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  92. but what if you don’t and would thus be absolutely overmatched if fisticuffs

    A couple of years ago, in my early 30s, I was slapped by a random thug in DC who was slightly bigger than me and for a nanoecond I thought ‘should I’ and then ‘aww, fuck it’ and I slapped him right back and then we both started pummeling each other.

    Apparently I won, being that when we separated, his nose was bleeding while I didn’t feel soreness or pain on my face or elsewhere else, and then he ran away. The moral of the story for ‘fight virgins’ is that a real fight isn’t so bad. Don’t be scared.

    But if the guy is much bigger than you or your instinct tells you that you’re in over your head, it’s OK to just be quiet and glare steadily. Whatever you do, don’t grin or try to be ‘cool’ when dissed. That’s when you look like a coward.

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  93. a bunch of slavic thugs

    Bring on the Slav-hate.

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  94. oops, dizzy did it again:
    Women can exist without men

    and yet so many heterosexual women with options choose to do their existing *with* men.
    waz up wit dat, D?

    Otherwise, we’re fine, even when you don’t think we’re hot enough.

    when enough men don’t think you’re hot it will begin to have a real impact on your dating life, and then you will turn into a man-hating bitterbitch.
    oh, wait.

    Same way that you’re fine even when the shallower girls among us decide that you’re not rich enough.

    good thing my cock is 8 inches… from the floor.

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  95. Well, look, it was Arkan’s Belgrade, and Mystery was in a hangout of armed, shaven-headed Chetniks, arranging a date with the head thug’s main squeeze. So something had to give.

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  96. on June 19, 2008 at 12:30 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @94 PA
    “But if the guy is much bigger than you or your instinct tells you that you’re in over your head, it’s OK to just be quiet and glare steadily.”

    But what if?
    He has shoved you once and now believes he can do it again, without consequence. Also others who witness this may feel that they can do so as well. I know plenty of women and a few men who say that they can’t respect someone who lacks self-respect.

    I won’t preach to others, about what to do in this example.
    I will however share my past choices in this matter.

    I have always responded to physical attacks with immediate and violent counters. And I think every man should always do so.
    As a child, and a teen I lacked self control, and had to be hauled off my would be assailant, by friends.
    When I was 13, and I got into a brawl, the cops showed up and broke it up. A Sgt. pulled me to the side and said: “You need to learn martial arts, son.” I looked him in the eye and responded: “No Sir, I do fine with what I know” He clarified that I was a danger because I lacked control of my body, and would eventually kill someone by using too much force.

    I enrolled in MMA the following week. I learned what the Sgt . meant. After 8 or so months I learned how see threats and respond with minimal force.
    Martial Arts will improve your confidence, as well as your health. I am laughing at the moment, because the last time someone tried to shove me, (about 3 years ago) the joker was shocked to find that his attempt to physically dominate me, landed him on his back, with my knee on his carotid artery and me saying softly to him, “Tap out, or take a nap”. He struggled, then passed out, and the last I saw of him, he was taken by a bouncer out to a taxi outside.

    — So, PA
    “…it’s OK to just be quiet and glare steadily”

    (and get punked out). Agreed, in the rare instance that they have a gun barrel against your skull.
    Personal Question for you PA… if a man had a gun at your head would you 1. Die Or 2. Let him rape you?

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  97. I’m saying that if a guy is under 200 pounds and isn’t Steven Segall’s twin brother like you apparently are, and is confronted by someone who looks like he could kill him, then there are ways of getting out of the situation with one’s dignity intact. I suggested a quiet hateful glare as one way of carrying yourself in the process.

    Your last question about assrape – where the fuck did that come from?

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  98. on June 19, 2008 at 2:05 am Patrick Bateman

    mq

    You actually do this? Are you insane?

    The character Patrick Bateman was a psychopathic serial killer. I probably do not qualify as insane, or even sociopathic. Remember, these are close friends doing this to each other, not guys who met a couple of years ago. I’ve known some of these guys since middle school.

    Friends help you move, but true friends help you move dead bodies.

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  99. on June 19, 2008 at 2:22 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @98 PA
    “Your last question about assrape – where the fuck did that come from?”

    From Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
    “For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery”

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

    ********
    I wanted to know this about you: “Simply, are you a slave, or are you free? And are you willing to trade your personal life for liberty?”

    When a grown man place his dickbeaters on another man, and moves him where ever He wills; that other man becomes his property. Period. With the exception of immediate consequence to the instant challenge to his (the other man’s) liberty.

    I had my ass handed to me, repeatedly by a 4 foot 10 inch, 98 lb. Korean. In losing over and over, I learn how to win, by never giving up. I am 6’4″ and weigh 235.

    Its not big the cock is, in the fight / Its how big the fight is, in the Cock!

    I think others have been pussifed by feminist culture to be a pacifist. Advising others to scowl while being owned doesn’t change the fact that their still owned, “with their dignity intact” after their masters let them go.

    I am sovereign by choice, and then by commitment to that choice. I have lost a large number of physical fights, and I could have died, in a few of them. But I would have died Free.

    Learn the lesson of Masada:
    In A.D. 66, with the outbreak of the Jewish war against Rome, the Zealots, an extremist Jewish sect, seized the fortress in a surprise attack and massacred its Roman garrison.
    Masada remained under Zealot control until A.D. 73, when, after a siege, the 15,000 soldiers of Rome’s tenth legion finally subdued the 1,000 men, women, and children holding the fortress. In a final act of defiance, however, almost all of the Jewish defenders had killed themselves rather than be captured and enslaved by the Romans. Only two women and five children survived to tell of the Zealots’ last action.

    Also again, in my city of birth, San Antonio, Texas.
    Learn the lesson of the Alamo:

    154 rebel souls stood off a force 6,100 Mexican army soldiers for 13 days before being wiped out.
    These 154 rebels killed somewhere between 600–2000, with an additional 250–300 wounded. but historians are not all in agreement, some say that 400–600 Mexicans were killed or wounded. This would represent about one-third of the Mexican soldiers involved in the final assault, which historian Todish remarks is “a tremendous casualty rate by any standards”.

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  100. Dizzy8 said:Speculating on what I might look like is ridiculous. Especially when you’re the one who spends all your time on the internet complaining that no one will sleep with you.

    😯

    *prays for the self esteem of the man this ^^was hurled at*

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  101. what? said:
    Dizzy, sluts are more valuable to society than running water…but most men will never admit that to you.

    I agree but why do men hate them so much. Is it because men hate their dependence on this type of woman

    Johnny5 said: many of today’s middle- and upper-class american 20-something males are still ‘fight virgins’

    This is true, as I have noticed many middle- and upper-class american 20-something males are easily intimidated by the blue collar(non black) douches who frequent the clubs on Friday and Saturday night..

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  102. > This is true, as I have noticed many middle- and upper-class american 20-something males are easily intimidated by the blue collar(non black) douches who frequent the clubs on Friday and Saturday night..

    Isn’t it saying something that I only ever see lower class guys beating the shit out of each other (or picking fights with the rest of the crowd). More often than not they are foreigners, too.

    Only a total idiot would let himself get drawn into a fight with some guy when you can be nearly sure that a lot of his “gang” is waiting around the next corner to come and beat the shit out of you. And that’s discounting the knifing crowd altogether. Unless you’re Chuck Norris, you don’t stand a chance against a guy with a knife.

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  103. Advising others to scowl while being owned

    You’re ranting and also bringing up violent homoerotic fantasies. I wasn’t advising anyone to scowl while being owned. Only to know when to either deck some asshole who is asking for it, or know how to get out of a situation when you’re in over his head without being owned.

    The Alamo or the 300 Spartan Stand are admirable examples and sometimes the right thing to do. There is a time and a place when you want to stand and fight to the death. Like when some punks break into your house, or when your country is invaded.

    However, if some drunk 350-lb asshole in a bar shoves you, it’s not the time to think “wow, this is my last stand, take me in your wings, glorious death!” Rather, it’s better to shoot him a glare and just get out of his way. If you’re really itching, then maybe sucker-slam him with somethign heavy once he turns away from you.

    By the way, Sovereign American Male, why “male” and not “man” ?

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  104. on June 19, 2008 at 1:11 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @104 PA

    “By the way, Sovereign American Male, why “male” and not “man” ?”
    The name is based on:
    I have a kernel of a thought, and its still in development / research. The inkling of it, is that Manhood and being a Man, is a false construct. Or if its a valid social construct its still artificial, whereas, male is clearly understood, organic, and not a construct. A person born male, cannot aspire to be a male someday. He Is One, already.
    A male is either an adult, a juvenile, or a child. A male is either a coward, brave or in transition.

    This kernel of a thought is also about self determination, and cultural expectation. “if you were a Man, you would do this, be this, or act that, or say that”. Who is society, that I should dictate this, to me, a self-aware life form, with free will and liberty.

    I am not talking about the masculinity trait. What I am saying is that we have a stereotype of what a Man is supposed to be, and I suspect that its standard is above what is actually achievable. And we are on a hamster wheel, or Don Quixote tilting at windmills, rather then being who we really are, and doing metrics on quantifiable personal development / growth.

    All the chest beaters, are not the Men, that their wish fulfillment behavior suggests.

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  105. shit… every bitch out there is a whore

    like you didn’t know this already

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  106. @ Chic
    Generally speaking, the men that hate on sluts usually don’t get laid all that often (some never)…these men are just frustrated. If you know how to work the system and get rewarded by the system you tend to enjoy the system.

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  107. on June 23, 2008 at 10:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Funny Chic had to put
    “blue collar(non black) douches who frequent the clubs on Friday and Saturday night..”

    I grew up part of my life in the quasi ghetto where houses still auction off for 4k a piece and some pay a mortgage and some don’t. They better be scared of the black ones because I have never seen black people fight one on one (one exception was in Catholic school but hey there was only one black dude in my class). I give them credit for great teamwork. They do tend to respect strength. The only time I had to take a beatdown was when I wore blue and red bandanas at the same time. So I was kind of asking for it. Too bad my mom stopped me when I was leaving the house with my sks lol

    I got in fights with white people and even if their brother was there and I was beating the shit out of him. The brother wouldn’t step in. Same with groups of them with friends.

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  108. on August 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm Patrick Bateman

    johnny five

    I just noticed your vaginal retort to my comment. Do you hang out with men? This particular act is unique to my friends but I’ve been around other guys who do things that are equally fucked up. I see shit like this a lot with military guys. Put a bunch of assholes with high testosterone together and it’ll become quite clear that there’s not enough respect to go around.

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  109. “UGLY” is indeed the single worst thing you can call a girl.

    When I found out my (sub-par in attractiveness) long-term girlfriend was a cheating whore, I hated her with psychotic intensity and I wanted to make her pay, and amidst calling her a “useless cunt” and “fucking whore”, etc, I could not bring myself to utter the word “ugly”. I knew it was too hurtful a word, transcending and dwarfing all the pain she caused me.
    Interesting…

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  110. […] more difficult for all but the most attractive of them. The result has been more cougars, more sluts, and more demand for DNA paternity testing. To prevent this edifice from crumbling under its own […]

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  115. @Peter: “As for coward, however, I can’t even begin to imagine how that can be spun in any way.”

    Considering that the only human instinct more powerful than sex drive is self preservation…. any man who wouldn’t rate self preservation above pussy (hence cowardly in the eyes of some women) has a few screws loose.

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  117. Very interesting post re considered in light of Palin hatred . . .

    Feminists watching Palin’s stunning performance knew a stake was being driven through their movement’s heart. They went ballistic. Feminist blogger Jessica Grose wrote on her Jezebel web site: “When Palin spoke on Wednesday night, my head almost exploded … What I feel for her privately could be described as violent, nay murderous, rage.” Judith Warner wrote in The New York Times that Palin was an “insult to women.” Comedian Sandra Bernhard riffed on YouTube: “Turncoat bitch! You whore in your cheap f***ing … cheap-ass plastic glasses.” Academic Wendy Doniger opined, “Palin’s greatest hypocrisy is her pretense that she is a woman.”
    And who can forget Canada’s very own Heather Mallick — then of the CBC, now of the Toronto Star — who watched Palin with “my mouth open, my eyeballs drying out, my hand making shaky notes.” From those “shaky notes” emerged a stomach-turning attack on Palin’s “pram-face” daughter, Bristol, followed by the advice: “Turn your guns on [Bristol’s boyfriend] Levi, ma’am.” (And liberals say conservative discourse encourages violence!)

    Dude, you are one smart SOB. They are pissed because her “image” reduces a feminists sexual market value and market value professsionally as well! Wow. Palin is unelectable since this polarizing, hormonally iniated hatred is uncontrollable. Wow. I’m going to bet against her on Intrade.

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  118. Why can’t a guy talk about her experience? or how often she sees an ex?

    Because women mow though guys. They have dozens of men inside them and they don’t care, it’s in their nature.
    Calling a woman a slut is a valid observation. They get what they want by using the warm wet hole in their crotch.
    Thats a Slut.
    A fat one is a Slug.
    If they actually charge you money, it’s a Whore.
    If you love fall under the spell of her hole, she’s a Witch.

    Unless you want to have children, don’t ever put up with one of these gashcans. Squeeze them out by hand and be free.
    LIKE ME.

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