Why Do Some Men Bang Below Their Level?

Take a look at this picture:

05_Video_Framegrabs - OCTOBER

This is Steve Phillips, 46 year old ESPN baseball analyst and former Mets GM, with his 22 year old mistress, a lowly production assistant he met on the job. The bitch mistress filed for a restraining order against Phillips the day *after* she left a taunting letter with his wife saying she (the bitch mistress) and Steve were meant to be together. Chutzpah, thy name is woman.

(Note that stalker behavior is more likely to occur when the status differential between the man and woman is significant. A woman will fall in love VERY quickly and effortlessly with an alpha who deigns to dump a fuck in her, while this same woman would need years to decide whether she loves the provider beta who dotes on her.)

Here is a photo of Phillips’ aged wife, Marni, mother of his four children:

marniphillips

After viewing the first picture with much disgust and confusion, most of you were probably asking “What the HELL was he doing with her?” And you’d be right to wonder. Phillips is a good-looking dude, high status, and presumably loaded. There are thousands of hot 22 year old women who would gladly smoke his pole.

The mistress looks like a fat dyke. I’d rate her a beer-fueled 2. The only thing she has going for her is her youth (24 year age difference between Phillips and her), which goes to show that even an ugly dyke-ish 22 year old can be more sexually appealing to men than their aged wrinkled wives. Although after looking at the pic of Marni Phillips for many minutes of close examination, I’d have to conclude that it’d be a close call deciding which one I’d fuck. I think I’d choose Marni. Her boobs give much love.

So why do some men with options choose to date, or cheat with, unattractive women below their level?

First, keep in mind that the reason we notice weirdo combinations like Phillips and his pig-faced mistress is because they are so rare. We notice that which defies expectation, and we ignore that which is the same old same old. 99% of men with Phillips’ status are either dating or cheating with much hotter women. So don’t get your hopes up, ladies.

Remember, too, that what you see is not always what you get when a good-looking man slums it with an ugly woman. Because a man’s dating market value is determined by so many more variables than those which can be observed by the naked eye, we cannot always assume that a good-looking guy is high status in the same way we can safely judge a good-looking girl is high status. (A woman’s social status is based almost completely on her looks.) That good-looking guy with the ugly girl may have crippling personality flaws, no money, no job, no charisma, no humor, no self-confidence, no ambition, or no game. He may also be too lazy or fearful to put in the extra effort to get a girl closer to his level.

But these unusual dating disparity exceptions do exist, and here are the reasons why I think some high status men will choose to lay with gross women:

  • Variety is the spice of life. Sometimes a new, ugly pussy is more rewarding than another night of the same, slightly less-ugly pussy.
  • Convenience. Many alphas won’t make the minimal effort required to meet hot chicks in the wild savannahs of their cities. The pigmalion intern you see every day who will drop to her knees instantly to suck you off can be, from a cost-benefit calculation, the better deal of the moment.
  • Pure laziness. Some men think it’s undignified, degrading, or less than manly (ha!) to actively chase women. They prefer to have the ugly pussy fall in their laps. This rationalization by lazy men is known as “sour grapes”. Unfortunately for them, it’s actually more degrading to bang an ugly woman than it is to pursue hotter women, even when that pursuit leads to rejection. There is honor in the chase.
  • Insecurity. A powerful man with deep-seated psychological issues who likes to be in control may opt for the ugly mistress he can easily dominate. A hotter mistress would require more tact and manipulative ministrations to keep in line, a tall order which could send him into a self-hating spiral of spite. Some men don’t like a challenge; they prefer a supplicative sex slave. These are the same kinds of men who solicit hookers. Also see: laziness.
  • Hidden lack of self-confidence. He’s alpha on the outside, beta on the inside.
  • Paper alpha. There are men who are alpha with other men, but graceless, befuddled pussies with women. It’s not many, but they do exist.
  • Youth is its own quality. A man quickly grows bored of sex with an old wife. An ugly 22 year old will suddenly start to look a lot more appealing than even sex with a “beautiful for her age” older wife.
  • Experimentation. Many unattractive girls will do things in bed that a wife or a better looking woman would never do. If a girl is willing to accept A2M and post gym workout teabagging, she will bump up the queue.
  • Odd fetishes. There are guys who like to fuck sheep. Rare outliers are part of the wonderful tapestry of humanity.

Some of you will suggest that maybe the ugly mistress has a sparkling personality, and Phillips was drawn to that. No. When a man is an alpha, women all around him, including hot ones, will suddenly have sparkling personalities. Bitch shields drop as fast as panties with the right man. Compatibility and sparkling personalities can be easily spoofed when the proper incentives are in place.

None of what I listed above should provide succor to weak, lazy men who wish to dumpster dive and enjoy their buddies’ approval at the same time. Steve Phillips forever sullied his good name by hooking up with this beast. If you’re going to take a mistress, be sure to take one who brings honor to the title.





Comments


  1. They date below their level because they don’t know any better. I have 6’5″ pretty boy friends who happily date 6’s, all because they lack game.

    Like


  2. Also, a lot of the taller better looking guys are incredibly dumb and don’t know how to talk to women or recognize their IOI’s. They also tend to become very needy and chase, chase, chase, thus losing value. These are usually the guys that were jocks in high school, came to college, were no longer jocks, and don’t have anything other than their looks going for them. These guys do a good job at attracting women, but once they start talking, the woman loses interest. the fat pigs that they date are just happy to have a pretty boy with a jock build eating out of the palm of their hands, so they’re more willing to put up with their dimwittedness.

    Like


  3. Pure laziness.

    The main reason, I think. Whenever one lands the absolute hottest chick they can get, keeping the relationship “good and hot” takes a lot of work. And even when one puts in the hours, you might still be rewarded with flakiness, thanklessness, lack of passion, etc.

    It’s naive to think that all the Game in the world will make your 9 wife as pleasant and sexually available as the 7 intern who treats you like a king from the word go.

    Some men think it’s undignified, degrading, or less than manly (ha!) to actively chase women. They prefer to have the ugly pussy fall in their laps. This rationalization by lazy men is known as “sour grapes”. Unfortunately for them, it’s actually more degrading to bang an ugly woman than it is to pursue hotter women, even when that pursuit leads to rejection. There is honor in the chase.

    This is specious at best.

    Although I will agree Steve Phillips took male priviledge a little too far.

    Like


  4. The beast makes my eyes hurt.

    Like


  5. I’m going with Experimentation in this case.The Kama Sutra is probably mere childs play for the gruesome twosome up above.

    OT.Roissy is famous:

    http://www.takimag.com/sniperstower/article/stalking_game/

    Like


  6. Well, that’s the Mets for ya.

    Like


  7. “These guys do a good job at attracting women, but once they start talking, the woman loses interest.” hmmm…like a set of 7’s at an art show? But it is interesting, I think R needs to do an article on good looking guy game.

    What R doesn’t mention, maybe because it’s irrelevant to him, is also the kind of man that cheats on his wife, that man may be, how you say, of lesser moral virtue? More willing to take the easy road, break promises, go dumpster diving?

    Like


  8. I think you might be overestimating how ‘objectively’ alpha this guy is (‘objective’ alpha traits being non-game attributes like status and wealth). I don’t follow baseball, and thus had no fucking idea who this guy was until yesterday. If I, a 20 something american male, doesn’t know him, how many 20 something american females would recognize him on the street, let alone instantly drop their panties for him? As a “baseball analyst,” he is really only going to be known by analytical, statistics and math driven males–a demographic perhaps not too indistinct from the video game demographic.

    I do agree though that his choice of mistress is pathetic, and that he obviously could have done better, even without game. But finding that better mistress might have been more difficult than you assume, given that his alpha cred, vis a vis his fame, was probably even lower than an I love the 80s commentator to a young american woman.

    Like


  9. Laziness is probably the key here.

    I’ll admit from my personal life that I’m doing this right now. I banged the younger sister of an acquaintance who’s totally obsessed with me at the moment. She’d be a cute girl if she wasnt 40-50 lbs overweight.

    Why’d I do it (a few times)? Pure laziness. The girl blew me when I was on a conference call with work while working from home. I got suckered in by my laziness.

    Now she’s going totally stalker on me and I have to break it off.

    Like


  10. Have you ever fucked a sheep before? You somewhat strike me as the type.

    Like


  11. If a girl is willing to accept A2M and post gym workout teabagging, she will bump up the queue.

    Teabagging wouldn’t really do it for me.

    But A2M probably would.

    And anal creampie + cum farting definitely would.

    Like


  12. He is – perhaps – a good example of a thouroughly Beta’ized (or neutered) American husband? The whole “my wife doesn’t understand me”, involuntarily celibate (at home), under her thumb guy, who all of a sudden has some young (albeit not too attractive) woman who acts like the sun shines out of his ass and will have the sort of sex with him that he can’t have at home.

    A lot of downtrodden and frustrated American husbands (and I mean a whole lot) have affairs with women who look a lot worse than their wives. It is almost stereotypical. I saw it a lot in law firm culture.

    Like


  13. If a woman is far less attractive than average, she’ll work harder for a man, particularly sexually and letting him get away w/ treating her poorly. That’s the appeal – higher sexual threshold and allowing him to be lazy.

    But aren’t men disgusted w/ themselves after the fact for the degradation? I’m genuinely interested in knowing that.

    And for women- could they simply improve their attitudes, skills, and weight, to get the best man they can, on their level, with dignity and tact? What is the joy of shooting out of your “range” if you can’t respect yourself anymore?

    Like


  14. I think I’d investigate the sheep shagging angle on this one….

    Like


  15. Does it matter Phillips was a terrible GM and was the man who signed off on the Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade among many other catastrophes?

    Like


  16. I think we found the real picture of feministrix.

    Like


  17. Sometimes you gotta go with the sure thing. But even then, it’s not something you brag about.

    Like


  18. what about alcohol/drugs?

    Could be part of the factor, especially for one time encounters, even though in this case it was ongoing.

    Like


  19. Phillips did some hilariously awful work on Baseball Tonight. Basically, he set up *fake* news conferences where he *pretended* to be a GM for other teams and then told the *reporters* what moves he made or would make for the teams.

    And he did it very seriously. And his ideas were largely crackpot.

    This after being fired for being absolutely incompetant. If you’re the GM for one of the wealthiest teams in the majors and can’t get into the playoffs consistently and be a force in the league, you’re a certified moron.

    I think the explanation for him shagging this heifer is that he’s absolutely stupid.

    Like


  20. WTF, I thought the girl was his nerdish son.
    Even Asian porn is better than this.

    My guess is he is into men but can´t get out of the closet. His mistress uses a strap-on and gives it to him. Hard.

    Like


  21. “But aren’t men disgusted w/ themselves after the fact for the degradation? I’m genuinely interested in knowing that.”

    {Long term involuntary celibacy among married men inspires a lot of shameful behavior with nasty women – the men often only ercognize the shame of the cheating component and don’t recognize teh disgust at the nastiness compnent – and tehy put up with it because they don’t get any anywhee else }

    “And for women- could they simply improve their attitudes, skills, and weight, to get the best man they can, on their level, with dignity and tact? What is the joy of shooting out of your “range” if you can’t respect yourself anymore?”

    {Overweight/unattractive women often develop an amazing self-loathing that causes them to seek out ‘relationships’ where they get degraded – it confirms their own self-loathing}

    Like


  22. If this guy was the Mets GM then he’s probably gay and can’t admit it. He likes this broad because she looks like a man. Probably does nothing but anal.

    Like


  23. as they say, if you marry your mistress you create a vacancy!

    Like


  24. A woman’s social status is based almost completely on her looks

    A women’s *mating* status (desirability rating?) may be almost entirely based on her looks, but social status usually has very little to with looks, except allowing a select few to occasionally move up their natural social status to a higher level based on their looks. But with the increase of assortative marriage in America, even that is becoming rarer and rarer.

    Like


  25. If this guy was the Mets GM then he’s probably gay and can’t admit it. He likes this broad because she looks like a man. Probably does nothing but anal.

    Definitely possible. When I first saw the first pic above, I thought his mistress was a dude.

    Like


  26. You simply could not have fucked that hog without feeling like you’re fucking a dude more than half the time.

    Like


  27. Haha Roissy. I love it. The Paper Alpha. Good one.

    Like


  28. Youth, variety, and convenience are the main reasons Phillips got with a girl this ugly. You could call it laziness but since he’s married, he might not have much time to go out and look for other ladies. Still, this guy should be getting better then this.

    Like


  29. I think some commenters touched on the reason: this dude appears to be somewhat incompetent and weird. Add in that baseball fandom has a large geeky component, and you don’t really have the makings of an alpha, good looks or no. who knows what was going on in his head? The wife is quite attractive for her age. I think the main takeaway from this is exactly what roissy said, it’s a black-swan type thing: so rare it commands attention but only for its rarity.

    Like


  30. Looking at her pics here:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/275913-espns-steve-phillips-affair-with-brooke-hundleythe-pictures-tell-an-ugly-story#page/1

    Put yourself in his situation. A portly young thang comes sitting on your lap offering you an office Beej. Would you take it, after dealing with angry ESPN shock jocks all day?

    Like


  31. on October 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Bear in mind that an HB 9, swimsuit model wife who only begrudgingly fucks like a dead fish with inhibition issues is like owning a Lamborghini that refuses to drive more than 20 miles per hour. Appearance does not equate performance. And to use a previous analogy, sometimes all that’s available is a 1975 Toyota Corolla to get you from point A to point B.

    Like


  32. HOG FETISH

    Like


  33. on October 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm gunslingergregi

    ””Experimentation. Many unattractive girls will do things in bed that a wife or a better looking woman would never do. If a girl is willing to accept A2M and post gym workout teabagging, she will bump up the queue.”””’

    lol

    Like


  34. on October 23, 2009 at 2:06 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’Ovid
    I’m going with Experimentation in this case.The Kama Sutra is probably mere childs play for the gruesome twosome up above.

    OT.Roissy is famous:

    http://www.takimag.com/sniperstower/article/stalking_game/””””””””

    Oh shit theres a tear.

    Like


  35. I’m a huge Mets fan, and I regularly watch Baseball Tonight…this actually might be the smartest decision Phillips has ever made.

    Like


  36. Put yourself in his situation. A portly young thang comes sitting on your lap offering you an office Beej. Would you take it, after dealing with angry ESPN shock jocks all day?

    Excellent point.

    ESPN is probably packed with guys. Loud, obnoxious, younger, angry, and smelly sports geeks. The air is probably filled with dirty geek testosterone.

    In that environment, even the slightest whiff of estrogen might be able to have an outsized impact on a dude’s biochemistry.

    Like


  37. on October 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm hiphopanonamous

    Wow what a fat whore. Although I’ve never banged anything that terrible, I do remember a time when I went for girls not on my level because a) I didn’t have the confidence or game and b) it was easy takin’s.

    Here’s a little addendum to the story. Apparently the fat disgusting slob had the nerve to send a letter to the wife (which incited the restraining order as you mentioned Roissy).

    The Letter

    My favorite line:

    “…and I’m not just some girl he had sex with in parking lots…”

    Like


  38. “Does it matter Phillips was a terrible GM and was the man who signed off on the Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade among many other catastrophes?”

    Actually, that was Jim Duquette. Phillips is still a colossal moron, though.

    Like


  39. on October 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm ironrailsironweights

    The New York Post has a story on the affair with a series of pictures of “the Tubby Temptress.” In most of them Brooke is not quite as bad as in the one shown above, at least in the sense that she does not look nearly so mannish. Based on those pictures I’d rank her as a 4. If she lost some weight she’d rise to a 5, making it to a 6 is probably out of reach.

    For comparison, here is Rosa Rodriguez, who had a fling with Stevie when he was Mets GM in 1998.

    Peter

    Like


  40. Roissy–

    Note that stalker behavior is more likely to occur when the status differential between the man and woman is significant.

    This is a REALLY effect. You’re rarely gonna get really stalked, or stalked beyond really making it clear you want them to stop anyway, by girls that can attract other guys arguably more or less in your league. Even if quite as good however.

    Note though that this can also happen with really hot downscale (not so hot education or job) girls, for whom your a big status/income upgrade from what they’ve been able to pull or pull for at all long, or pull since they started thinking about marriage, etc.

    There’s danger in the differential. The sluttier she is the less danger when there’s a big differential. The neurotic semi good girls — ah, danger.

    Like


  41. more examples of this ilk: David Letterman and Pierce Brosnan

    Like


  42. on October 23, 2009 at 2:18 pm gunslingergregi

    When they thank god they met you in front of you that is when you either have a stalker or a keeper he he he

    Like


  43. I’ve banged beneath my range a few times, not recently, and no one as hideously heiferish as that thing, but I firmly believe that the fugly chicks frequently have mad skillz and no inhibitons. They have to be that way, it’s not an option for those gals to be prudish or hard-to-get-to-do-anal.

    But I always felt a strong wave of self-loathing after the load went out of me. Never would be seen in public with a gal such as that. They weren’t surprised.

    But the fuglies are unquestionably more prone to stalkerish behavior, some can be downright dangerous. They are used to getting treated like they size 16 CumDumpsters they are, so, even though they know the truth, every time they take a cock three-hole style, they fantasize that this time will be different, this guy really likes my charming personality, he thinks I’m sexy, this time he’ll want me for me, blah, blah, blah. The usual female fantasies, amplified by cellulite and self-loathing.

    So when reality hits, it’s a ton of bricks motherfucker. Which is why you shouldn’t touch that shit, no matter horny or drunk you are. They will come after you. They will try and ruin everything in your life. Really.

    Like


  44. on October 23, 2009 at 2:21 pm gunslingergregi

    Now if they tell you they are stalking you is that a real stalker?

    Like


  45. This is a REALLY strong effect. … Even if they don’t seem to her quite as good.

    I.e. it’s her sense that it’s hopeless that she’ll every find anyone as good (deluded or not, exaggerating you or not), especially when mixed with her belief that you’ve promised her things. (However little that’s based upon.)

    Like


  46. For comparison, here is Rosa Rodriguez, who had a fling with Stevie when he was Mets GM in 1998.

    So I guess the hog above wasn’t an isolated case of one-time dumpster diving.

    He seems to have a history of boffing trolls.

    Like


  47. is that a MAN or a woMAN?

    Like


  48. Doug, the way you analyze these poor women makes me think you’ve been the source of much heartbreak…

    Like


  49. Also, i’ve noticed that with men (and myself) that comfort builds attraction. The longer a guy is around a girl the more emotionally attached he will become to her (the opposite is usually true for women, hence the friends zone). The fact that these two worked together shouldn’t be overlooked.

    Like


  50. The bottom line is, pussy will open doors for you. The ugly girl may be far more talented than most in using her pussy. She could be a virgin. That quality alone is worth a mint in this day and age.

    My sister looks like that and she was a virgin at age 24, and some dude married her in a rush.

    Like


  51. This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s trolling. Seriously, how can two powerful known guys have such bad taste in women?

    Like


  52. the COCK has a MIND of its OWN

    Like


  53. 12% of U.S. marriages are sexless.

    This was documented in her letter to Marni, with her taunt of ‘loveless marriage’

    That should be #1 reason.

    Like


  54. Roissy-

    I think it’s often that the guy is trying not to cheat, so doesn’t go out hunting. But he is vulnerable to a young girl really going after him, especially if she reads his psychosocial needs well. In addition there’s a special attraction to the taboo or semi taboo of the office tryst with an underling, despite it’s danger. It’s fully taboo if she’d directly under and he’s married. It’s not just taboo, there’s also a build in D/s dynamic there that’s erotic for both him and her. Note she might play that dynamic cross grain as often sexually or emotionally dominant when they get down to it, despite apparent D/s in the opposite direction. Usually not though; probably usually she’s playing s to his D, and somewhat or a lot masochistic. But very possibly topping or anyway pulling lots of strings from the bottom.

    So that overlaps with your “convenience”, “laziness”, “youth”, “experimentation” and “fetishes” explanations.

    Note I think a guy will go for a hotter girl in his office or he otherwise runs into who chases him rather than his having to chase, rather than a less hot one, almost every time, so long as she is doing it for him fetish and psychosexually.

    I think it’s hard to overemphasize in the case of married men that many of them in fact don’t want to be hound dogging for affairs all the time. (Some do of course but they usually only go with younger outside girls much closer to as hot as their degree of alpha status would predict.)

    Instead it seems much more (emotionally/morally) alright to many married men if they’re the one’s pursued – and they only eventually “give in”. We all KNOW that women feel that way, especially about any arguably transgressive sex or affair. They often need to be seduced into it, or be able to tell themselves they were.

    Like


  55. on October 23, 2009 at 2:53 pm Marcus Aureliette

    She’s not nearly the lost cause you guys are making her out to be. If she lost about 40 lbs and got a nose job she’d be not only not-ugly, but actually cute. Being only 22, she could be quite successful at remaking her image…if she’s willing to make the effort.

    Like


  56. Dude! That “mistress” looks like a… dude! I had a friend who looked almost just like that.

    Like


  57. Monica Lewinsky created the destruction of the dating pool.

    Prior to 1998, fat/ugly chicks were relegated to Irish bars, TGIF/Bennigans, or stripmall/roadside taverns. They dated low-status males, and if given the chance begged for from mercy from average males.

    They knew they were fat/ugly and didnt dare step foot in a high status metro bar or major coast city bar/club.

    After Monica, EVERY major city’s top bars, clubs, hotel lounges, vegas were infested with these obsese women, and their pure numbers (50% of female population) threw off the market. They rationalized if Monica can get the President, they could surely get an average/above average dude.

    The really hot women, fled for fear of being in a crappy or has-been bar, and the remaining men fought it out for these remaining fatties, elevating their value overnight.

    This happens in all markets from real estate to tech stocks, to sub-prime. Blue chip assets never stop being blue chip, they just change owners (ie, older men, billionaires, foreigners, etc) who consolidate. Its no mistake that all the hot women openly dated sugar daddies, and many hollywood stars from Uma to Heidi went off the market overseas, in last 10 yrs.

    Meanwhile, the fatties like (CA, FL, TX, AZ real estate) flooded the markets and more guys put up with their ever increasing demands, from jobs (@ ESPN v. 7-11) to killing men (that Football murder), to marriages.

    The influx of E. Euro, Asian, Indian, Latin women will equalize this market….only if you white boys stop banging these pigs…and board jets for Prague, Rio, Thailand, and Puket to get the free Models!

    Like


  58. Why was this labeled “Lolita”!?!?!?

    Like


  59. on October 23, 2009 at 3:18 pm gunslingergregi

    Nice analysis Silver. The wars oversees have opened a lot of eyes.

    Like


  60. lurker–

    This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s trolling. Seriously, how can two powerful known guys have such bad taste in women?

    Lewinsky put on a LOT of weight after suspicions and scandal about her affair with Clinton broke in the media. She really wasn’t fat when he first took up with her and she looks vastly better non fat. (Don’t know that she was ever super skinny, but so what, most straight men don’t actually want that.)

    These are a couple of pics taken soon after they’d started up, when it was still a close secret known only the the Secret Service etc:

    Another:

    Later on and starting to add so weight but not too bad yet. This pic was well know, but eclipsed in most people’s minds as she then started to rapidly pork up:

    http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=151ff549e83586eb&q=monica%20lewinsky%20beret&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmonica%2Blewinsky%2Bberet%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGGL,GGGL:2006-14,GGGL:en

    Like


  61. on October 23, 2009 at 3:21 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Infidelity 101

    Rule #1: NEVER allow yourself to be photographed with your mistress.

    Like


  62. Marcus Aureliette

    She’s not nearly the lost cause you guys are making her out to be.

    Bullshiite.

    Her facial structure is a 4, 5 at best IF she lost weight and had that nose job.

    Like


  63. Years ago, a friend of mine dating far below his abilities told me his mantra. Two words, he said:

    Aim low.

    If you’re sensitive to rejection, you’re much more likely to go for a sure thing, no matter how high your status.

    Eric

    Like


  64. Years ago, a friend of mine dating far below his abilities told me his mantra. Two words, he said:

    Aim low.

    If you’re sensitive to rejection, you’re much more likely to go for a sure thing, no matter how high your status.

    Eric

    Like


  65. @rollo tomasi (love the LA confidential reference)-

    exactly. this guy appears to be a moron. no benchmark for the true or aspiring alpha.

    Like


  66. here’s a letter phillips wrote about the situation. he claims to have had only 3 sexual encounters with her before she went bat-shit.

    i don’t attribute this to lack of alphaness. i dont’ know if he’s alpha or not. rather i’d attribute it to the fact that she was convenient, willing, and provided a self-esteem boost in that a chick 24 years younger was attracted to him.

    http://www.hotindienews.com/2009/10/21/1012731#

    Like


  67. She is on the NY Post / NY Daily news site now…looking 50% better….with a ball cap

    Main reason is her receding hair line and gigantic fore-head (five-head or 40-head)

    In that pig-like shot she is off a red-eye or bus and her hair is matted down.

    A lot of women either have very large balding parts in their hair or receding hairlines that they flip over.

    Its the same exact line that men get ( ie, george costanza) but women are very good at masking it….beware

    Hormones that they feed cows/poultry and obesity have done this…………

    Like


  68. My guess is:

    30% Convenience — I’ll bet she made rather explicit offers right from the get-go. He didn’t even have to exert the effort to undo his pants.

    40% Experimentation — I’ll also bet that “you can put it in my ass” was how she closed the sale.

    30% Insecurity — See, I’m not losing my touch! I can bang a chick 24 years younger than my wife! Younger women pursue me!

    She is such a horrid little troll. This story would be so much more fun to follow if she had been a smokin’ hot little minx.

    Say what you will about the older woman, but I would do the wife ten times out of ten. Older though she may be, at least she looks like a woman while the “mistress” looks like a boy. An unkempt, comic book store browsing, chubby boy. Seriously, look at that face. If you were to get on top of that, you would look down and say .. “Hmmm.. How odd. I can feel a pussy, yet I seem to have mounted a boy by mistake.”

    Like


  69. From her letter: “…and I’m not just some girl he had sex with in parking lots…”

    Does this imply that Phillips did have a string of such girls and she is trying to elevate herself above them? Phillips may, then, just be one of those Clintonesque guys who’ll screw anything no matter how beastly.

    Or is she trying to say that, perhaps unlike the other ESPN nuts who do this, she and Phillips had “something real”?

    The New York press seems to be saying that Phillips has done a lot of screwing around – so I may have to go with the Clintonesque “will screw anything” pidgeonhole (the other one pictured was sort of plain, so it would fit the pattern).

    Like


  70. noddin my head like yeahhh..movin my hips like yeaaahhh

    Like


  71. and the jay-z song was OOOOOON. and the jay-z song was OOOOOOOOON. and the jay-z song was OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.

    yeaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh its a party in the U-S-A

    Like


  72. on October 23, 2009 at 3:46 pm Conservative Cock

    Excellent analysis of dumpster divers and their motives.

    Like


  73. Experimentation. Many unattractive girls will do things in bed that a wife or a better looking woman would never do. If a girl is willing to accept A2M and post gym workout teabagging, she will bump up the queue.

    I’m thinking definitely experimentation.

    Specifically anal creampies and cumfarts.

    There ain’t nothing better than watching assholes give birth to man seed and pudding-filled poopers.

    Like


  74. Damn, Steve. Girlfriend IS kinda hard to look at.

    And Roissy makes many interesting points, as per usual. But, I think Tupac (I think it was) said it best earlier: very often, the lesser gals are a lot lower maintenence and they know it. The highpost gals are higher maintenence, and THEY know it.

    So, on some levels, its a simple cost benefit thing like R spoke to above. And I think the low drama factor plays a big role here.

    I also think there’s a lot to be said for the lower tier gals willing to do more for a Man (sexually and otherwise) than their more highpost sisters. We’ve all heard the saying” fat chicks try harder” and well, there’s a lot of truth to that. I’m just sayin.

    One thing’s true though-Women have no trouble getting laid, unless they’re a member of that Dreaded Twenty Percent. Steve’s “squeeze” above, is the proof if there ever was any need for it.

    The Obsidian

    Like


  75. yclept

    more examples of this ilk: David Letterman and Pierce Brosnan.

    Letterman is the really puzzling case. He’d clearly got an alpha personality, in addition to the fame, status and money. And looks. Neither his wife nor the assistant he was outed as fooling around with are at all hot. He did take forever to marry his wife, long after they’d had a kid together.

    Brosnan’s wife was fairly hot when he married her. She porked out outrageously since. Brosnan seems dumb, and not very aggressive either in mannerisms, though his facial structure and height at first give a male strength impression. Wouldn’t surprise me if she dominates him. Does anyone know if he’s gay?

    Like


  76. on October 23, 2009 at 4:11 pm Conservative Cock

    “Letterman is the really puzzling case. He’d clearly got an alpha personality, in addition to the fame, status and money. And looks. Neither his wife nor the assistant he was outed as fooling around with are at all hot.”

    It’s not puzzling when you realize that the importance of humor in seduction is overemphasized in the community and by most women, who don’t consciously understand their own nature. It’s something virtually all women say they want, yet the alphas we often see with the hottest women frequently have a humorless disposition.

    The mafia guy with the serious expression likely gets a lot more — and better quality — ass than the average comedian.

    Like


  77. on October 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Bullshiite.

    Her facial structure is a 4, 5 at best IF she lost weight and had that nose job.

    So you disagree then? Shouldn’t keep it all bottled up like that, Doug. 😉

    I stand by my assessment, but keep in mind I’m gauging by the other photos, not the one above. And really, if she undertook a serious revamp, she could re-emerge in 6 months or so looking like a much-more-attractive sister or cousin of her current self. Things are still quite malleable and forgiving at 22.

    Like


  78. The gall of Brooke Hundley to file a restraining order against Phillips, after she’s been stalking, harassing and threatening his wife and him is — well now pretty typical.

    I imagine it was her lawyer’s advice. But still he knew he could and that the system is so tilted in the female’s favor now that despite all it would do her good.

    Oh, upon filing it’s effective. He’s restrained and forced to obey it on pain of contempt of court. Without any hearing much less proof of anything he did that would merit a restraining order.

    Like


  79. Aside from the obvious fugliness of the girl, Phillips broke a huge rule by becoming emotionally attached to her. The slut’s letter contained far too much info about Phillips kids, so rather than spending all his time getting ATM the tool obviously was discussing his life and feelings with her. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    A wife can maybe forgive an affair, especially if she can tell herself that it was just a physical thing (much easier to do if the chick in question was actually hot), but emotional betrayal is far worse. Especially so in this case as the husband gave his mistress the information and tools to harm his kids and family, the things he was supposed to protect.

    Like


  80. Marcus Aureliette–

    Alright, since you’re being all sweet and all I’ll retract the vehement “bullshiite”.

    She’s a 4, but I can’t disallow that with a lot of weight loss and a nose job she might get to 6. It’s hard to judge accurately with a seriously fat face. There is a world of difference in LTR/marriage mate prospects for girls between fat 4 and thin 6, I’ll certainly grant.

    Like


  81. a comment instructing on bad boy game that’s worth repeating

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/is-there-ever-a-time-not-to-game/#comment-139810

    Like


  82. “Paper alpha. There are men who are alpha with other men, but graceless, befuddled pussies with women. It’s not many, but they do exist.”

    There are tons of these.

    – MPM

    Like


  83. Some men will just fuck any female who has a hairy pussy. (I’m thinking about Peter).
    Another issue, which probably won’t earn me much sympathy points, is that a lot of Americans look much OLDER compared to their West European or Southcone middleclass contemporaries. Steve Phillips is 46, but probably due to an excess of sun and too much carbohidrates looks more like a man in his middfifties. The mistress who is 22 looks like middthirties. Marni the wife looks like a 50 year old Argentininan middleclass woman, although her real age is probably around 45. The reason why poor Argentinians and Americans look so much older than their middleclass European and Southcone counterparts probably has a slight genetic basis (most Americans have poor ancestors whereas in countries with lesser social mobility and narrower middleclass the middleclass has mostly rich and middleclass ancestors with superior genetics) and is probably mainly based on eating to much carbohydrates and excessive sun exposure. Americans who take care of themselves and avoid cornsyrup however can look young. PUA Roosh for example is 30 but passes for 25.

    Like


  84. My eyes hurt.

    I would take the MILF wife too.

    (But only if I wasn’t already married to her).

    Like


  85. It’s obvious to me, looking at the couples around me, that plenty of men are not particularly concerned with good looks. Or are simply not selective. And it’s not because the could only get one (unattractive) woman. I know guys who’ve had several cute ex-gfs, and then go and marry a woman who is a monster compared to them with every appearance of being happy with her.

    Men choose ugly women over attractive ones all the time. Not a majority of men, but certainly not 1%.

    Most men don’t have the discerning eye of roissy (or of my own BF, for that matter).

    Like


  86. Letterman is the really puzzling case. He’d clearly got an alpha personality, in addition to the fame, status and money. And looks. Neither his wife nor the assistant he was outed as fooling around with are at all hot. He did take forever to marry his wife, long after they’d had a kid together.

    Letterman is notoriously reclusive and private. Some have attributed this to possible shyness.

    He’s a performer, and he might not be able to be as “on” off stage.

    I know some of these types. They’re very talented performers, but it seems to be very psychologically taxing and stressful for them. They use up a bunch of their neurological resources for a performance, and then kind of shrivel up when not performing. It’s kind of drastic.

    Like


  87. Comedians are often surprisingly serious and unfunny when they’re “off”. A lot of them had unhappy childhoods, or other simiar psychological issues, and found humor as a way to deal with that. I’d put Letterman in that category as a guess – he’s probably shy and introverted at heart, which might explain his evident insecurity around women. I doubt he got a lot of tail in his youth at Ball State. People can carry around their adolescent insecurities for ridiculously long portions of their adult lives.

    Like


  88. Roissy–

    we cannot always assume that a good-looking guy is high status in the same way we can safely judge a good-looking girl is high status. (A woman’s social status is based almost completely on her looks.)

    I REALLY don’t agree with this. I agree with the strong differential between the sexes between how important looks are including for status, yes, but not at all the “almost completely”. It does become more true, but not to the extent stated, if we include in “her looks” the elegance and taste of her manner of dress and related things (yeah accessorizing, but that sounds gay). Displaying money tastefully in other ways doesn’t hurt in conferring upon her status either, as in driving a Mercedes, BMW etc.

    It’s particularly not true at the upper reaches of status in most circles.

    In e.g. Wall St. or Silicon Valley etc. circles where a wife went to college matters quite a lot in her perceived status and how it effects her husband’s status. It’s more a matter of being good enough than the very best helping that much. Harvard isn’t that much more of a boost than Amherst for girls as wives of high hitters in either place, but Amherst is WAY better than Michigan State. Not to mention no college or community college. Yes those things do pull down status even when the girl’s an 8. Unless she’s an accomplished 8. Then not much. The point is avoiding the jealous charge from other women and some other men that she’s a dumbo /bimbo.

    But really stellar looks add to status. Especially if they’re validated by some official recognition. If she was major agency model or SI swimsuit edition contestant. If you then add ANY not strictly looks achievement to that, like charity work even, she’s totally fine as high status. Or TV news etc. presenter, etc., or any kind of actress. Those things will make 8 or even 7 and up women really high status, especially as wives but even individually.

    However if an accomplishment related recognition doesn’t come with her hotness, nor good college either, then some demo of not being dumb and clueless about world and social issues becomes important for status to not be subtracted. She WILL be called a bimbo and similar behind her back and she will hear the whispers as will her husband. Real points will be subtracted esp. from her individually but also from him for having snagged her.

    However a guy who has a smoking wife, a 9 or an 8, especially if she’s ever accomplished anything that’s not a joke, including charity stuff, is gonna get more reflected status well than a Stanford and Harvard law grad wife who’s a 6. So will she really, certainly in mate attraction and in most socializing circles.

    As for business and professional circles with respect to her own individual status, the Harvard 6 woman has got to actually accomplish impressive things to much edge out the Amherst 8 not to mention if she’s a 9. Lower than 6 and in the real world his husband will lose status for being married to her no matter what she accomplishes or how agreeable her personality is. That may be half wrong in more elite university circles but it’s more officially wrong than what people really think, or think in rating the husband’s attractiveness certainly.

    Something like that is how it goes among the upper classes (including the upper and upper upper middle classes), with fine tuning for each circle somewhat.

    Like


  89. Doug says:

    “In e.g. Wall St. or Silicon Valley etc. circles where a wife went to college matters quite a lot in her perceived status and how it effects her husband’s status. It’s more a matter of being good enough than the very best helping that much. Harvard isn’t that much more of a boost than Amherst for girls as wives of high hitters in either place, but Amherst is WAY better than Michigan State. Not to mention no college or community college. Yes those things do pull down status even when the girl’s an 8. Unless she’s an accomplished 8. Then not much. The point is avoiding the jealous charge from other women and some other men that she’s a dumbo /bimbo. ”

    Doug, I believe Roissy was referring to “mate status” in the hind brain sense – i.e., what gets your dick hard. The things you listed may strongly impact marriageability and whether guys will want to hold this person out as his spouse (and, for that matter, hang with out her for the long haul). But they have very little impact on her fuckability index, especially in the short term. For women, however, non-looks related status indicators are much more likely to make and keep her wet, though these male status indicators may or may not have anything to do with the educational examples you gave.

    Like


  90. I would have to say that I truely believe he nailed the ugly chick in the chance to nail some quick on the road strange.

    Also if you nail the ugly chick and she came to your hot MILF wife to tatta-tale you can look at your hot milf wife and say “really do you think I would really nail a sack of potatoes dimb crazy bitch like this, when i clearly have a hot azz wifey? Lets go get you some new jewerly to make you all pretty….LOMA the whole time…”

    Like


  91. Doug,
    Maybe yu can help me with something.

    I’ve found that White guys tend to be much, much more concerned with the “status” of a gal than most Brothas I know or have observed. Even when it comes to short term flings and what not, at least this is what many White guys proclaim (as we all can clearly see w/Phillips, their actions say something else). Why do you think that is?

    Gannon,
    I think you have a point about WHITE Americans. On average, a Black Man or Woman who takes care of themself can and often do age very well. I’m often mistaken for being as much as a full decade younger than I actually am, if not more.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

    Like


  92. There’s a study out recently showing that women are less happy now then they are in the ’70s. Most feminists claim this is because they still aren’t equal and because men don’t do enough housework, but I think this case shows the reason why it is.

    Alphas and high status men like Steve Philipps WILL hook up with women who are below their league. A male 8 will hook up with a female 4 if the 4 is right there and DTF.

    There are a lot of examples of this, such as Bill Clinton and John Edwards having affairs with women well below their league.

    Problem for women is, while a male 8 will hook up with a female 5 or have a fling with her, he WILL NOT have a serious relationship or marry her.

    So, the female 5 will have flings and hook up with high status men who are out of their league, and then they base their standards on those male 8s. They’ll keep chasing after the same high-status men and getting the pump-and-dump, or if they do settle they are unhappy because their boyfriend isn’t as exciting or good as the alpha they hooked up with.

    Back in the ’70s, many of the women being surveyed about happiness would have married in the ’50s and ’60s, when the cultural norm wasn’t alpha chasing and a faithful husband who was a good provider was considered a good catch.

    But now in the era of de facto polygamy women can hook up with very high status men, come to expect the high status men, and then get unhappy when none of them ever commit to her.

    Like


  93. Dude, please a pog warning above the photo…how can a woman like that have such tickets on herself that she things ANYONE would want to fuck her? Wow….just wow…

    Like


  94. @Obs
    Realize the question was directed @ Doug, but regarding status – perhaps white men may demand socioeconomic rank and / or “good background” more because they are more likely to be found in upper-status positions and situations. But is it true that more white than black men require this – where are you getting that idea?

    Anyway, I think black men have certain standards, too, but perhaps not in the same way.

    Like


  95. “Gannon,
    I think you have a point about WHITE Americans. On average, a Black Man or Woman who takes care of themself can and often do age very well. I’m often mistaken for being as much as a full decade younger than I actually am, if not more.”

    That’s probably true as long as black females stay within a reasonable weight. Which at best is probably only the case of 40% of black American females. But yeah, black skin ages better because it has higher pigmentation and is much more resistant to sun damage.
    For example, the Obamas look their age. Obama is around the same age of Steve Phillips, but Obama looks a lot younger. (Note: Obama look midd forties, it’s Steve who look slike he is in his fifties).

    Like


  96. I’m with km on this one. A starving man will find stale crackers irresistable because of his hunger pangs.

    Involuntary celibacy at home is probably the biggest cause of married men banging women far below their level.

    Like


  97. Gannon–

    @Gannon,
    I think you have a point about WHITE Americans. On average, a Black Man or Woman who takes care of themself can and often do age very well. I’m often mistaken for being as much as a full decade younger than I actually am

    So am I.

    @Doug,
    Maybe yu can help me with something.

    I’ve found that White guys tend to be much, much more concerned with the “status” of a gal than most Brothas I know or have observed. Even when it comes to short term flings and what not, at least this is what many White guys proclaim

    I don’t think white guys are much concerned about status for short term flings. Interesting is a factor if it’s gonna involve a lot of time together yes, but not status so much. Oh it may be a bit of a plus sure, esp. for bragging rights if it’s really high or much higher than the guys usual, but only if she’s also hot. But mostly for casual and flings it’s maximizing looks and above 7, sexual hunger and losing it heat.

    But for LTR esp. if it’s trial permanent, then yeah status comes in among higher status white guys. Don’t think it does nearly so much in the middle.

    From what I’ve learned it’s true as well among upper class and to some considerable extent upper upper and upper middle class blacks as well, if they were raised that way. I’m thinking of a book a read a few years ago not too long after it came out about the American black upper class: “Our Kind of People: Inside America’s Black Upper Class” by Lawrence Graham. Some of these family’s money goes back to the 19th century.

    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/pulling-back-the-curtain-on-the-black-upper-class/33975/

    Like


  98. Immediately prior post was meant to be addressed to Obsidian.

    Like


  99. on October 23, 2009 at 6:56 pm gunslingergregi

    Really another response to bait he he he

    Like


  100. Dreamer–

    @Obs
    Realize the question was directed @ Doug, but regarding status – perhaps white men may demand socioeconomic rank and / or “good background” more because they are more likely to be found in upper-status positions and situations. But is it true that more white than black men require this – where are you getting that idea?

    As you can seem I’m agreeing with you. Note what tends to be most important is the class someone was raised in, not what they themselves have managed to reach, even by time of marriage. Class raised in though includes at least to some extent being aspirationally raised in a higher class so far as values are concerned. Just wanting your son and daughter to have money or have it by being professionals though isn’t what I’m talking about. It’s more like the lace curtain Irish, born importantly of maids who worked for upper and upper upper middle class Yankees and then became mothers, largely passing on those values other than her religion to her family (and not infrequently battling her husband in doing so to some or a considerable extent).

    So net net, probably more middle class whites are raised in aspirationally upper or upper upper middle class values than middle class blacks are, for lots of reasons, including yes the ones the leftists will remind us of (pre 60s serious discrimination in many places). Though I think some middle class church black families did manage a considerable amount of aspirational higher classes values, in part through mechanisms like the lace curtain Irish.

    Like


  101. gunny

    Really another response to bait he he he

    Yeah I know, very possibly.

    But I’m fine with it so far anyway.

    Like


  102. @Doug
    Ah- heading out soon but a quick glance @ your response and I must say… impressed that you read Our Kind of People. Interesting.

    Like


  103. It is possible this was a case of extortion almost from the beginning.
    The guy had been in a sexual harassment suit in the past. This woman was an underling at work. This added up to extreme vulnerability for the guy. If he even got near an inappropriate situation with this woman, she could say (or imply),”If you do not have sex with me I will say that you fondled me.”
    Then what are his choices? If he is not confident of his ability to dispose of her corpse, he has to find ways to stay on her good side.

    Like


  104. @ Obs. I’m in agreement with Doug1. Where a woman’s social status ranks on the list of attractiveness traits is more of a function of class thing than race. But more so than what school a woman went to, etc middle to upper middle class guys look for certain behaviors that are class indicators.

    Like


  105. NY Post:

    “Marni Phillips, a STUNNING, green-eyed blonde, told cops that on Aug. 19, she drove home with her 7-year-old son and spotted a woman walking down the driveway to a parked car.”

    I know. I’m confused too.

    Like


  106. I’d have to roll with Laziness like Chris and Assanova said. This is a really bad trap to fall in, as, like Roissy said. Porking someone at work is pretty much a guaranteed stalker. Your status is always going to be much higher than hers, and they’re always going to be there. No freaking escape. Look at Clinton: president of freaking America, brought low by a skanky fat cow of a blow buddy.

    Like


  107. Maryilyn Monroe threatened to go Fatal Attraction on the Kennedy brothers. Then she died of some kind of overdose.
    Res ipsa loquitor

    Like


  108. Most White guys in their 30s and beyond are pathetic, ugly creatures. There are a few exceptions, but in general White men age terribly.

    Asian, Hispanic, Black and Indian men, for the most part look much better than their White counterparts of the same age.

    Like


  109. Location, location, location. Bristol, CT (where ESPN is headquartered) is in the middle of fucking nowhere, which means it’s not going to be flush with hotties ripe for the picking. The bar scene is out because, as a minor celebrity, someone could have spotted Phillips and ratted him out to his wife. His only option was to fuck whoever was “close by” and “available,” no matter how hideous.

    Like


  110. Re: boru

    Ah, that’s right! I should know better.

    Like


  111. Hugh Grant and the Divine Brown incident come to mind. A man’s wife doesn’t have to be old and ugly to make him want to stray, and with a low-status female at that.

    Paul Newman once said of his happy marriage to Joanne Woodward: “Why would I want to go out for hamburger when I have steak at home?” But sometimes, one is just in the mood for a burger.

    Like


  112. Doug1, Specimen, Dreamer, Gannon,
    Thanks to all of you for your responses. Doug, I have heard of the book you mentioned but have yet to read it. I’ve read another book though by Ellis Cose, Rage Of The Black Middle Class, or words to that effect. I read it some years back, and thought it was interesting.

    Although I haven’t read the book you specifically mentioned, I am very aware of the issues it deals with. The Jack & Jill Society, for example, has long been known for its highly selective ways, along the lines of what Zora Neale Hurston talked about wrt the “brown paper bag” test. Some of the Black Fraternities and Sororities have histories in this regard as well, such as the AKAs and Deltas.

    So yes, I am aware of things in this regard in a more abstract or historical sense. However, what I meant was that personally, I’ve never heard any Brotha say the same things to the degree I’ve heard and/or read White guys say, about Women along status lines. And, keep in mind, I know Brothas from the block to the ivory tower and everywhere in between-sure, few Brothas want a Hoochie Mama if they can choose. But I just have never heard Brothas discuss the issue of status and the like so intensely before, until I came here and saw the writings like Ruby and Dave Alex, and to a lesser extent, Specimen (because he’s a bit newer to me). But live, in person? Nah. What seemed to be the biggest factors was hotness/beauty, personality, eagerness to get busy, etc. et. al. I’ve yet to hear a Brotha in realtime make a lot of hay about where a Sista went to school, etc. Its a plus to be sure, but beyond that…nah.

    Doug, yea, there are White guys who look good when they take care of themselves. No doubt about it.

    The Obsidian

    Like


  113. That pic really is a shock. She looks rough.

    Like


  114. Maybe she can suck the chrome off a bumper hitch. Just turn your head towards the playboy calendar on the wall.

    Like


  115. on October 23, 2009 at 10:27 pm ironrailsironweights

    Some men will just fuck any female who has a hairy pussy. (I’m thinking about Peter).

    Better than the Hideous Pedophilic Bald Eagle.

    Another issue, which probably won’t earn me much sympathy points, is that a lot of Americans look much OLDER compared to their West European or Southcone middleclass contemporaries. Steve Phillips is 46, but probably due to an excess of sun and too much carbohidrates looks more like a man in his middfifties.

    He only looks somewhat older than his actual age because his hair is almost completely gray. He looks to be far more physically fit than most 46-year-olds.

    Peter

    Like


  116. It’s weird to see a couple guys here claiming this woman is a possible 6. I’m used to seeing women I would consider 6s or 7s criticized as 3s or 4s on this site, but this is a case of the opposite: a woman who is shockingly ugly to me – a genuine 2 or 3 – being defended.

    Like


  117. Steve Phillips is not an alpha. On Baseball Tonight, Karl Ravech and John Kruk used to brazenly disrespect him on the air. He always pretended like they were just joking around and he was being a good sport but he always came off looking like a total chump. I used to feel badly for him because as much as he really isn’t that bright, he’s about as smart as Ravech and much smarter the John Kruk. But for those familiar with the dynamic of those Baseball Tonight broadcasts, it would have been a surprise if the girl was really hot.

    Another point about why some men bang below their level. Its the guys who aren’t looking for it so they take what comes their way. Phillips is way too meek to willfully pursue extra-marital relationships which means that if he was going to have them he was going to have to take whatever came his way, and you’ve seen the pictures of the two women that came his way.

    Like


  118. “but this is a case of the opposite: a WOMAN who is shockingly ugly to me – a genuine 2 or 3 – being defended.”

    That’s a MAN, baby.

    Like


  119. Phillips’ beta behavior shouldn’t surprise anybody who has followed his terrible careers with the Mets and ESPN. His record as a GM was characterized by a series of impulsive moves that seemed to be a function of his desperate need to please the ownership. His ESPN schtick is basically to brag about how he used to be a GM. He will handle this by buying his wife more jewelry than he can afford and by signing a washed-up outfielder to handle her sexual needs.

    Like


  120. Although the case posted by Roissy is an extreme case, the concept of a alpha guy choosing a woman on the 6 or 7 part of the scale rather than a 9 or 10 for a relationship is not necessarily a bad thing.

    In a previous post, Roissy had written in the comments section that looks are the sole determining factor in selecting a female for marriage. This would make sense in a society where marriage is solely about the union of two individuals and with abundant resources, because the man can afford to overlook other factors in his cost-benefit analysis.

    In societies where marriage is about the union of two families and/or resources are limited, the rules of the game change. Looks still play a significant role, but when you are looking at two families combining natural, economic and political resources for the survival and advancement of the group at the expense of others, the incentives to marry that 7 with the desired socioeconomic background and domestic skills rather than the 10 with little else to offer become more compelling. Of course, she would lose to the 10 with those desired traits, but otherwise, probably not.

    Due to the Washington doing their best to fleece the average person of their resources to finance their desires, something tells me that the face of marriage and spouse selection could take a very interesting turn. America for decades now has been a society that is focused on me, me, me rather than family. I have a theory (could be wrong) that Game will be used to keep families and relationships intact rather than bedding high numbers of women. Just my two cents.

    For the record, I doubt a high-class family producing and raising alpha sons would ever approve of this girl. She looks poorly groomed, and obviously did not have family members with successful individuals breathing down her neck about being fat and poorly presentable.

    Like


  121. The girl is a three, I have seen worse.

    Like


  122. “Another issue, which probably won’t earn me much sympathy points, is that a lot of Americans look much OLDER compared to their West European or Southcone middleclass contemporaries. Steve Phillips is 46, but probably due to an excess of sun and too much carbohidrates looks more like a man in his middfifties.”

    Agreed. He’s only 4 years older than my boyfriend, and looks 20 years older. Of course my man looks kind of freakishly young – people have assumed he is still college-age. Which is good, because I look like I’m 12.

    It has little to do with Steve’s gray hair – he’s all wrinkled up. He’s still a good-looking guy (and nice and thin), he just looks much, much older than 45.

    Like


  123. Roissy, I think paper alphas exist more than you think. Most millitary men are this way.

    Like


  124. on October 24, 2009 at 12:20 pm Marcus Aureliette

    It’s weird to see a couple guys here claiming this woman is a possible 6. I’m used to seeing women I would consider 6s or 7s criticized as 3s or 4s on this site, but this is a case of the opposite: a woman who is shockingly ugly to me – a genuine 2 or 3 – being defended.

    I don’t think anyone at all has claimed she’s a 6 as she is right now, only that 6hood could potentially be attainable if she imposes some major renovations on herself.

    Like


  125. “Harvard isn’t that much more of a boost than Amherst for girls as wives of high hitters in either place, but Amherst is WAY better than Michigan State”

    Probably not true in SV – the big 10 in general has a decent rep. It’s major that probably matters more.

    @O

    “I’ve found that White guys tend to be much, much more concerned with the “status” of a gal than most Brothas I know or have observed. Even when it comes to short term flings and what not, at least this is what many White guys proclaim (as we all can clearly see w/Phillips, their actions say something else). Why do you think that is?”

    If a chick has higher status she’s less likely to go nutzo on you for a fling. That’s while I’m almost only into professional chicks.

    Like


  126. Because a lot of the dynamics required to keep side action secret resemble abuse, like meeting on short notice in a hotel, not making any public displays of affection, or clearing out of someone’s place on short notice. Or ending phone calls abruptly, not returning calls for days on end, etc. And no woman with a lot of other options is going to gracefully tolerate that sort of thing, unless it’s an Ashley Madison situation where you’re *both* cheating. I suppose certain people have “open” relationships, but “open” really means (at least as far as men are concerned) so alpha that women are a dime a dozen anyway. Most of the guys who cheat are in a situation of scarcity, where interested women are so few and far between that they don’t know how to say “no” to any woman. So if, in the course of a decade, two women like you, why not keep them both?

    Like


  127. Bonnie,

    It is my belief that Americans age poorly for various reasons, and being from the Mediterranean, where people age gracefully, the differences are striking.

    What makes the aging process more forgiving in the Mediterranean are, IMHO, three different things:

    1) Less stress. Studies on mice and monkeys show that stress plays a larger role in premature death and aging than diet does. In Southern Europe, people work less hours, have stronger family structures (it’s hard to feel lonely there). This sounds cheesy, but having friends and family to lean on really helps the burdened heart. Instead of seeing them occasionally, imagine how life would be so different if you were with them every single day and had trusted people looking out for your back. Not just parents and siblings, but also cousins, aunts and grandparents.

    In America, its increasingly evolving to people work to death at corporate jobs they tend to hate, have no joyful family life to come home to, are more lonely, and do not earn wages that rise in proportion with the living costs (financial stress). The impression I’ve always had of locals here is that they’re generally an unhappy group of people.

    2) Good diet lacking in hormones, preservatives and exotic chemicals. Southern Europeans smoke more, get more sun exposure, don’t count calories, drink red wine, eat more fatty foods, and eat a lot of desserts. Yet they live longer with fewer health problems! In the US, to produce the same results costs far more money in proportion to the income you make, and requires more energy in researching effects of such chemicals and genetically modified products to successfully regulate what goes into your body.

    Family structure plays a huge role in this, because often, grandma and mother are home cooking nutritious homemade meals and growing herbs in the back garden. In the US, a woman’s idea of cooking food is opening the can.

    3) Urban structure. In Southern Europe, you can get away without using a car because the cities are more dense and the public transportation system is more developed. This means more walking, and thus more exercise. The US, due to zoning laws, is now stuck with sprawling, nightmarish suburbs (we can thank the idiots in Washington for this) that leave inhabitants slaves to their car.

    Like


  128. The US, due to zoning laws, is now stuck with sprawling, nightmarish suburbs

    Diversity, not zoning, is the engine of suburban sprawl.

    Like


  129. I don’t think anyone at all has claimed she’s a 6 as she is right now, only that 6hood could potentially be attainable if she imposes some major renovations on herself.

    If she lost some weight, applied some make up and dressed better and secured herself some acrylic nails, she’d become a 5 at best. For me she’s hug material, but I don’t see anything that would boost her sexual appeal. Mind you, there is a beta male out there who’d worship her as a queen if she did that.

    But I just have never heard Brothas discuss the issue of status and the like so intensely before, until I came here and saw the writings like Ruby and Dave Alex

    You’ll have to remember that David Alexander is from the “maid-owning” classes back in Haiti, so some vestiges of elitism and deference to parental preferences are still at play.

    Like


  130. Good catch, aoefe. She actually does look like a girl in that one.

    Like


  131. get more sun exposure

    Danger!

    New York is near the same latitude as Naples and Madrid. In other words, a sizable chunk of the US population lives in latitudes that would cause more exposure to sunlight than in most parts of Europe, especially for those with ancestry in Northern lands. Remember, Americans aren’t all of Mediterranean descent…

    we can thank the idiots in Washington for this

    While federal housing and transportation policy essentially served as a blank check for suburbanization, zoning is still a product of local zoning boards at the municipal level. Of course, we could have Canadian style suburbs where the lots are still small and the homes are smaller, but I suspect somebody would complain. In turn, we could always build mass transit networks and zone appropriately, but somebody would complain that it’s too expensive. And a sizable chunk of the comment base here votes for the anti-mass transit party.

    Like


  132. @DA “Of course, we could have Canadian style suburbs where the lots are still small and the homes are smaller,”

    I think you’re generalizing about Canadian suburbs. Where I live there are freakishly large 4,000 sq. foot homes on 1 acre lots and yes these homes are in subdivisions.

    Like


  133. I think you’re generalizing about Canadian suburbs. Where I live there are freakishly large 4,000 sq. foot homes on 1 acre lots and yes these homes are in subdivisions.

    Curse your oil rich province. I’m used to Central Canada (particularly Montreal and Ottawa), where the average home seems to hover around 1500 to 2000 sq ft, and where some of the newer homes stay within that range on lots similar to my 60 X 100 lot on Long Island…

    Of course, out of sheer curiosity, how does one afford to heat a 4,000 sq ft home in Canada?

    Like


  134. DA we makes the big bucks here – you’re right oil rich.

    Like


  135. DA we makes the big bucks here – you’re right oil rich.

    Will you be my oil-rich mistress? 🙂

    Like


  136. DA I’m not good in the dominant role I’m afraid. 😉

    Like


  137. DA I’m not good in the dominant role I’m afraid.

    We can learn together.

    Like


  138. DA it sounds like you’re leading me…interesting.

    Like


  139. If he didn’t have silver hair he’d look much younger. He has a very nice, smooth face, he’s tall and I believe quite attractive.

    I too wonder at the discussion regarding her ability to be a six – not in your lifetime people.

    Like


  140. Some cute girls can photograph badly. I just looked at photos of my recent corporate event, which featured a lot of hot babes from my work. But in the pics, many look hideous.

    Having said that, that dude’s mistress is not anywhere close to a 6. I’d say she’s a 3. Not offensively ugly, but nevertheless a mannish, bulbous face.

    Like


  141. She’s a 3-4, and I almost never give out below a 6.

    Like


  142. Obsidian

    I’ve found that White guys tend to be much, much more concerned with the “status” of a gal than most Brothas I know or have observed. Even when it comes to short term flings and what not, at least this is what many White guys proclaim (as we all can clearly see w/Phillips, their actions say something else). Why do you think that is?

    Two points. White men often put tremendous peer pressure on other White men to like what they like. Especially when it comes to a woman’s size. For many White men any White women who isn’t thin is a pig. Fat girl hating is one of the top White male ways of bonding with other White men.

    There is also quite a bit of status assessment of mates among the White upper middle class and even middle classes. Tom Wolfe is a genius in writing about this and the SWPL website deals with this as well at least among the middle class lefties.

    As for black males and the status of females, please don’t waste our time. Of course black males are status obsessed, they just define that status differently than many White, Indian or Asian people.

    Black status seeking is overwhelmingly defined by RACE. Black males place great status in the White Women as the ultimate prize regardless of her IQ or education level. Black females of noticeable mixed race ancestry are also prized. Asian and Latina women will become increasingly valued (see Uncle Tom Ruby) as they become more prominent in America.

    The status seeking is there among all people, it’s just defined differently. For some guys a young but unattractive woman has status simple because of her youth.

    Also for dorks like this sportscaster a low status women has status for him because she makes him feel more important by comparison.

    Insecure, creepy guys are that way.

    PA

    Diversity, not zoning, is the engine of suburban sprawl.

    No. Suburban sprawl was created mainly by the desire of lower middle class and middle class Americans to copy the rich by creating their equivalent of the “summer home”.

    The rich would leave the hot, smelly cities for the summer home that was some miles from the city core.

    Suburbanization and the car culture was just a manifestation of the “Everyman’s Home is his Castle” thinking.

    Diversity is involved when you have people of every race wanting to be in own owning their own McMansion in the burbs.

    Steve Sailer has written extensively on this in relation to the recent mortgage meltdown.

    Like


  143. Jerry Reed: Early men’s rights advocate? Either way it’s an awesome song.

    Like


  144. DA it sounds like you’re leading me…interesting.

    I’m capable of many things. Are you?

    Like


  145. My answer to questions about these things in political/economic issues is to follow the money. Who is benefitting from things such as zoning laws?

    “Home-owning debtors are terrified of rising mortgage interest rates and falling equity in the housing market. They have become a gigantic special-interest political voting bloc that Congress dares not challenge. So, Congress goes along with the Federal Reserve’s policy of monetary inflation. This of course subsidizes the mortgage debt market, which grows. Housing prices rise. The housing bubble grows larger and more pervasive.

    We are now trapped in a huge debt/money spiral, which is political to the core.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north440.html

    Like


  146. Diversity, not zoning, is the engine of suburban sprawl.

    The United States government has been involved in housing policy since the 1930s with the creation of the first generation of housing projects and the first FHA loans to re-establish the mortgage markets. And the FHA basically jury-rigged their loan applications at the time to exclude non-whites from the process and prevent the creation of mixed race areas out of deference to the preferences real estate industry. The loans were essentially only useful for newly built suburban housing units and not for older existing stock. In the post war period, this essentially serves as an inducement for families to establish homes in new suburbs in lieu of older urban housing stock.

    Besides, a sizable chunk of the black population in most Northern and Western cities is due to demand of industrial facilities for black labour. If you limit immigration as was done in the 1950s, you’ll simply end up inducing demand for black labour which moved from the South into industrial cities outside of it, and in turn, the “original” black neighbourhoods end up swelling and becoming overcrowded. These black people are going to go somewhere, and combined with increasing income from those who had good paying jobs, there is going to be a demand for housing, and these black people have to go somewhere, which ends up being by default a white neighbourhood. So if you want to blame diversity, I’d suggest shifting the blame to factory owners that offered work to Southern blacks looking to earn better wages than what sharecropping offered…

    Like


  147. I’m sure it’s been said (& you alluded to it, too), but I don’t want to read through 147 comments to check before I write.

    In many, many instances (though nearly everything you write begs to differ with regards to women), we are only as attractive as we think we are. When we spot someone we know is above our looks level, we think, “Hot, but I could never get that.” So we seek out us-hot – people who are hot in comparison to as hot as we think WE are. You know, attainably hot.

    For the most part, I maintain that if a good-looking person is with a hideous person, that good-looking person has the worst self-esteem in the world. And, presumably, the hideous person somehow has amazing self-esteem – because any ugly person dating too many notches above their looks level is going to be insecure as hell throughout the duration of the relationship. For an ugly/hot relationship to actually work, the hot person’s down-on-themselves level has to be equivalent to the ugly person’s up-on-themselves level, or else the ugly person will self-sabotage out of pure insecurity. Make sense?

    Well, it does in my head. Whether it came out right, I make no guarantees.

    Like


  148. Suburban Sweetheart you made sense to me. 🙂

    Like


  149. To Human Bio Diversity Advocates :

    I’ve spent the last week doing tons of research on the interconnecting subjects of ‘race’, ‘intelligence’ and ‘iq’.

    So much, that at one point I had 5 Google Chrome windows open with 20 tabs each of sprawling webpages.

    Here are some of the conclusions I’ve come to :

    [1] I can’t say I “like” Steve Sailer, but if I had to align myself with a Human BioDiversity Pundit, it would be him. Unlike Jared Taylor, Philip Rushton, American Renaissance, VDARE, VNN Forums and Stormfront, Sailer’s views [ “Citizenism” ] tend to be motivated by the desire to curtail obviously harmful processes and trends that are growing in our country. The latter individuals and groups seem to be outrightly racist or racialist and aimed at actively restricting or harming blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Arabs, Jews and homosexuals.

    I’ve added Steve Sailer’s blog to my daily RSS.

    [2] There is NOT absolute PROOF that race is the primary determinate of intelligence, but there IS a GROWING body of EVIDENCE that they are highly correlated to each other.

    Correlation IS NOT causation.

    Steve Sailer, in is “Race FAQ” [ http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/071216_race_faq.htm ] says as much.

    I will concede that the evidence backing these conclusions do represent a valid theory; But it will be a decade or two before this theory can be empirically validated or invalidated.

    [3] Much of the debate between both sides of the Human Bio-Diversity divide is stunted by simple differences in semantics. Ethnicities [shared melanin content, similar genetic make up, similar culture, similar diet, similar psychological views and upbringing, similar geopolitical origins] is a valid and scientific concept.

    Race is an invalid and socio-politically backed concept meant to bracket different ethnicities together for reasons of special interests.

    I suspect a small concession of this point by many HBD-Advos’ would serve to attract people to ‘the cause’.

    Which brings me to my final point:

    The utility of this line of research.

    As I previously stated, a non-trivial portion of HBD-Advocates seek to further research on ‘Race & Intelligence’ for sinister reasons. Looking at the archives of some of the organizations I alluded to will show that this simply cannot be denied.

    The reason I’ve sought to come to an understanding about these matters is primarily my duty as a rationalist and advocate of unbiased scientific inquiry.

    As a black man, though, I also feel I need to completely understand the ideology of those who would seem to shape public policy to do me, and people like me, harm.

    For those of us who are against the idea of a ‘scientific pogrom’, then I also suggest you become familiar with emerging research about these subjects, no matter how much they initially offend you.

    If you allow yourself to engage in willful ignorance, you allow them to use their ideologies to fill in the holes of public discourse you can potentially fill.

    I implore you to start your research here:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/

    Like


  150. We don’t really want to “harm” you, we want you to shut the fuck up, stop commiting crime, stop being a drain on the government and to let us get the fuck away from you in peace.

    However, I’m sure to black people those simple demands constitute “harm” because then we wouldn’t be paying attention to you and giving you things.

    Like


  151. I’d suggest shifting the blame to factory owners

    Capitalism and socialism are two sides of the same Population Replacement coin.

    Like


  152. The guy’s an aging jock who’s not famous (I’ve never heard of him before). When he leaves the TV studio and goes out in public, he’s just an old-looking nobody to all of the women.

    I don’t know why roissy thinks he can do a lot better in 22-year-olds. Few 22-year-olds in the United States are interested in men more than twice their age.

    Like


  153. What STFU said.

    Like


  154. […] in DC Trippy Link Of The Day October 25, 2009Cornered! October 23, 2009Why Do Some Men Bang Below Their Level? October 23, 2009Is There Ever A Time Not To Game? October 22, 2009The Beta Crisis of American Men […]

    Like


  155. Willard:

    White men often put tremendous peer pressure on other White men to like what they like. Especially when it comes to a woman’s size. For many White men any White women who isn’t thin is a pig. Fat girl hating is one of the top White male ways of bonding with other White men

    I mostly agree. While men in general care less than women about how much their friends are impressed by their significant other or conquest, the typical white man lives in fear that his friends will accuse him of “goin’ hoggin'” if he chooses a woman who isn’t thin.

    The white male tendency to sift women into the absolute binary categories of “thin” versus “hippo” may, according my armchair social science reasoning, be a significant contributing factor to overeating among women. If a woman thinks her attractiveness hinges on being thin, as opposed to not being rotund or obese, and her genetic potential prevents her from attaining this mode, she’ll try to cure her depression and anxiety with Haagen-Dasz.

    There is also (in my anecdotal experience) the white male tendency to rate a woman as highly attractive simply because she’s thin, even more so if she’s also blond. For too many white guys, the satisfaction of these two criteria cause them to overlook debits like man-chin, boyish hips, etc.

    Like


  156. […] 25, 2009 by roissy In the comments to my post about Steve Phillips slumming it with a pigfaced wreck who is 24 years younger than him, Half Sigma wrote: The guy’s an aging jock who’s not famous […]

    Like


  157. I’d rate her a beer-fueled 2.

    Generous. Generous indeed.

    Like


  158. The utility of this line of research.

    The utility is obvious. We no longer have to hear whines of “racism!” and calls for affirmative action and government handouts when those with inherently less IQ come in a distant second to those with more in categories like ‘education’ and ‘income’. We can turn off the fire hose of handouts.

    Something tells me that, no matter what the data says regarding race and IQ, those with less of it will only increase their demands from those with more.

    Like


  159. on October 26, 2009 at 12:50 am Phenomenal One

    as soon as i saw the pic of the mistress i said out loud “WHAT THE F*CK ?”.
    seriously, give her a bald head and you have a man.

    if i did’nt have the info i’d think it’s just a famous guy with a fan.

    the only thing that gives away the man’s age is his gray hair which in his case does’nt look bad (alot of men i see who’ve gone gray seems to just give up on takin care of themselves)

    Like


  160. The Obsidian,

    I am not sure how you grew up. But among my peer group in college (top 10) and medical school (Ivy), my black friends would take status into account before even meeting a guy/ girl for a date.

    “Where did she/he go to school?” “What does he/she do?” were the top questions.

    Like


  161. on October 26, 2009 at 4:00 am unlearning genius

    Haha, interesting post!

    Roissy seems to think that chasing after women is the more male thing to do. Unfortunately, in a high society setting, womanizing openly is a DLV .. in many circles talking of game itself is DLV. The reason is that if you are a high status male (the real kind as opposed to the “game” kind of falsified high status display) women should be chasing you and not the other way around.

    So you are pretty much limited to seeking escorts. even brief affairs can be dangerous because the women will go into stalker (think “fatal attraction” mode very rapidly). You can try to bar sarge when you are out of your high societal status zone (but your lack of constant practice will decrease your odds). More importantly, most of what you call “game” is really “pandering” to a woman.. no matter what you say .. the fact that YOU have to approach HER itself is clear indication of your relative societal status and the rewards are not worth the risk in most cases.

    Now think of the situation from a woman’s side, most will be intimidated like shit and will never try anything like this. Some women purely out of ignorance will attempt and often succeed. This is similar to how really hot women can sometimes feel that nobody asks them out (they want to but are really scared). In the mating situation it is not the highest quality bidder but often the most aggressive bidder that succeeds.

    Like


  162. Ruby,

    I would call my approach Civilizationism (as it is global in outlook, as opposed to strictly national.)

    Basically approaching social policy through the prism of what in the aggregate improves or at least maintains Western Civilization, with its basket of prosperity, high technology, high culture and individual freedom and meritocracy.

    Regarding the notion of correlation vs. causation — you are going to find very few things in social science that show causation. However, given the shitload of policy decisions made on the basis of causation weaker than that for heritability of IQ, it seems churlish to single it out.

    The basic approach of genuine, meritocratic color-blind social policy (opportunity not outcome based) should insure that exceptional individuals from intellectually below average groups will receive unquestioned recognition in their chosen fields.

    Like


  163. “on the basis of causation weaker ”

    I meant “correlation” here.

    Like


  164. I say, show me a person’s first sexual partner and I will tell you what type that person will be drawn to, and their tolerance in regard to looks. And for men, those first impressions are made at a time in their lives when they are exceedingly horny and will bang anything. Some stubborn men hang onto their predilections in the face of social pressure, and yes of course they will probably feel some guilt or self esteem issues in the process. But that is secondary. It is not the cause of the preference. If you want to change this, take your message younger. Encourage prepubescent boys to be selective. I suspect at his stage of life Steve Phillips would just tell you to mind your own business.

    Like


  165. Hey guys,

    Check out White Goddess Blog at:

    http://whitemeat.wordpress.com/

    jen

    Like


  166. What to Do When Child Starts Liking Non-White Women: Raising Our Children to Love White Women Part 2
    by tnameat

    It is a potentially very serious dilemma, that one day as parents of a boy we may sadly come to face. What does a father or mother do when their child starts showing an attraction for non-white women? There are a lot of answers but in a general sense the answer is keep this attraction from growing and be sure to make that child never again lust after a non-white woman. Basically nip it in the bud.

    Now as I’ve mentioned before in a previous article my mother was always worried society would trick me into thinking white women were evil unhealthy creatures that were forbidden and really just a bunch of light skinned whores. Luckily she loved me enough to guide my already natural love for white women into my absolute honor of them today. But all of our children wont be so lucky and might find themselves one day having an attraction to a non-white woman.

    Its actually not hard to see why this would happen. Beyonce is considered by many to be one of the world’s biggest stars, the first lady Michelle Obama is often praised as the pinnacle of American fashion and a role model to young women of all races but in particular black. There is of course the biracial Alicia Keys and Halle Berry. Then there are other biracial or light skinned Hispanic/non-white women that basically promote themselves as white women but aren’t take for example: Eva Mendez, Jessica Alba, Tyra Banks and Kim Kardashian. So its easy to see why younger boys might get confused on the identity of true beauty.

    The key is not to openly condemn or get angry at your child for his budding attraction. This will only cause a potentially large rebellion in his subconscious and will drive him away from white women just to spite you. What you need to do is try to indirectly explain why white women are superior in; beauty, health, motherhood, style, innovation etc. Teach them about the great white women of history and of course ignore or if you must acknowledge a non-white woman dont talk her up, present another white woman in that same time or area that also did great things and really talk her up, as she deserves to be.

    Present your child with logical stats, about how non-white women generally tend to live shorter lives. Talk about the black woman’s struggle to get married, and present how many non-white single mothers and ask them why they think that is. If your child brings home a non-white woman be polite to the girl after all it is not her fault she is not the cream of the crop but as soon as she leaves criticize her and tell your son to steer clear of her. But do all of this in love, as you arent doing this for yourself you are doing it for the benefit of him.

    _____________________________________
    jen

    Be sure to check out White Goddess at:

    http://whitemeat.wordpress.com/

    Like


  167. on October 26, 2009 at 12:07 pm dawhitegoddess

    What to Do When Child Starts Liking Non-White Women: Raising Our Children to Love White Women by tnameat

    It is a potentially very serious dilemma, that one day as parents of a boy we may sadly come to face. What does a father or mother do when their child starts showing an attraction for non-white women? There are a lot of answers but in a general sense the answer is keep this attraction from growing and be sure to make that child never again lust after a non-white woman. Basically nip it in the bud.

    Now as I’ve mentioned before in a previous article my mother was always worried society would trick me into thinking white women were evil unhealthy creatures that were forbidden and really just a bunch of light skinned whores. Luckily she loved me enough to guide my already natural love for white women into my absolute honor of them today. But all of our children wont be so lucky and might find themselves one day having an attraction to a non-white woman.

    Its actually not hard to see why this would happen. Beyonce is considered by many to be one of the world’s biggest stars, the first lady Michelle Obama is often praised as the pinnacle of American fashion and a role model to young women of all races but in particular black. There is of course the biracial Alicia Keys and Halle Berry. Then there are other biracial or light skinned Hispanic/non-white women that basically promote themselves as white women but aren’t take for example: Eva Mendez, Jessica Alba, Tyra Banks and Kim Kardashian. So its easy to see why younger boys might get confused on the identity of true beauty.

    The key is not to openly condemn or get angry at your child for his budding attraction. This will only cause a potentially large rebellion in his subconscious and will drive him away from white women just to spite you. What you need to do is try to indirectly explain why white women are superior in; beauty, health, motherhood, style, innovation etc. Teach them about the great white women of history and of course ignore or if you must acknowledge a non-white woman dont talk her up, present another white woman in that same time or area that also did great things and really talk her up, as she deserves to be.

    Present your child with logical stats, about how non-white women generally tend to live shorter lives. Talk about the black woman’s struggle to get married, and present how many non-white single mothers and ask them why they think that is. If your child brings home a non-white woman be polite to the girl after all it is not her fault she is not the cream of the crop but as soon as she leaves criticize her and tell your son to steer clear of her. But do all of this in love, as you arent doing this for yourself you are doing it for the benefit of him.

    Like


  168. on October 26, 2009 at 12:46 pm gunslingergregi

    Nice site jen. Like the bride pics.

    Like


  169. -“How does that work? You’re 15 years older than all of these people.”
    -“Rich 50 is middle-class 38.”

    Like


  170. dawhitegoddess–

    Eva Mendez, Jessica Alba, Tyra Banks and Kim Kardashian.

    The only one of those that isn’t broad church white is Tyra Banks.

    If Jews are white, certainly if sephardic Jews are, then so is Kim Kardashian. She’s Armenian, which is a type of Caucasian.

    Hispanic is considered non white largely because Hispanics get AA. They get AA because most of them are lower class origin Mexicans or Central Americans with a substantial amount of AmerIndian blood in them. Middle and higher class origins latin Americans are usually almost entirely Euro blood background That’s the
    Case with Jesican Alba and Eva Mendez and most of the “Hispanic” or Latino women who are now appearing in American movies or on TV – or who appear in Mexican movies or TV in glamor or beauty roles.

    Like


  171. notify

    Like


  172. FYI Doug…Tyra’s parents medium and dark complected blks. She get her light coloring from her Dad’s mom.

    Like


  173. I can’t agree with Girly Girl about Mediterranean women. I’ve lived in both Greece and Italy, for extensive periods, and once the women pass 40, the years of laying around in the sun catch up to them in a MAJOR way. A lot of women in those countries have awful skin as a result.

    Also, i found that hot Greek women are far easier to date than they are in a lot of other countries. If you are a smart guy with a half decent job, the rules that apply in countries like the U.S and Australia do not strictly apply there. Sure they want a hot successful guy too, but the preference is often, though not always, negotiable, rather than exclusive, and THAT is the key difference that is often ignored between some European women, and women in the Anglo-Saxon world.

    I believe in E.Psych too, but cultural differences also need to be taken into account, and there are variations that exist and need to be recognised.

    As for men banging below their level in general, I agree it’s often due to laziness or lack of game, and it’s becoming more common than usual i’ve noticed. Men are tired of chasing after hot, or even semi-hot, women with tickets on themselves. I know good looking guys that just got sick of the whole game and went for an average-at-best girl with a compatible personality.

    Like


  174. on January 1, 2010 at 10:49 pm Julius Ray Hoffman

    Dude, come on, you know the answer. ESPN Guy has got a kinky fetish thing for fat ugly chicks. It’s common. He got mentally and spiritually confused and turned his kinky fetish into some sort of so-called “relationship”.

    I’m sure that even the mighty Roissy has woken up one morning, looked out the window at the day awakening, and thought to himself that… eh… ya’ know… tonight might be a good night for a nice warm fatty. It’s like a craving for fried chicken.

    Now the mighty Roissy would probably not choose one as grotesque as here, of course, but ESPN Guy went for the 100 yard return on the kinkfield while most most men would be content with a decent 30 yard run.

    Like


  175. Great blog post, I totally agree. Just remember than CMPitts is a pathetic douchebag, and everything will be made clear. 😀

    Like


  176. Wow you all, this dude looks older than his age & I personally don’t think the mistress looks as bad as you’re all implying! Never the less he’s quite the pig for what he is doing & he’s really not all that in the looks department either no matter what age!!!

    Like


  177. Ann,

    I personally don’t think the mistress looks as bad as you’re all implying!

    Women are not qualified to judge the looks of other women.

    the less he’s quite the pig for what he is doing &

    He is less of a pig than a woman who takes alimony from a man.

    Like


  178. I’m just curious if younger men say like in their early 30’s ever still like the 70’s still hairy pussies lol? Or bush but trimmed? Like the full on bush lol? There are still attractive women that obvisously don’t shave and I don’t date below my level. Yeah there are those that will just date whatever and below their level but man common smack yourself, get some dignity and get some respect for yourself. These are the guys that either have low self eteem or whetever but man it’s kind of embarrassing for their friends when he dates below his level and the friends are like eww man you can do much better.

    Like