Programming Notes

– July 2009 was the biggest month here at Chateau Heartiste. There were 473,908 views of exquisitely beautiful O chained to an iron pillar with her ballroom gown hiked up, getting whipped on her blushing naked buttocks with a riding crop by a masked man. O savored every lashing.

– Recently the blog passed 100,000 comments. 99,999 of those comments were cringeworthy online flirtations leading to blue balls. The 100,000th comment was left by Firepower, responding to Gunslinger, in my ‘What Is A Natural?’ post:

Gunslingergregi

Whiskey bro you need to start carrying around a severed head

dewd – quit stealing
all my moves

Yes, I know. Don’t all gasp with astonishment at the profundity of comment #100,000. It is auspicious in ways your feeble beta brains cannot begin to comprehend.

– I was going to write a separate post announcing the winners of the ‘Test Of Your Negs’ post, but after skimming through the comments I got depressed. The answers most of you gave were horrible. You’d have been better off asking them where they went to school. Hint: Calling a girl fat, or implying she’s fat, is not a neg. Despite the hundreds of shitty attempts, I managed to find a few gems.

Tyler:

Taking pictures for girls is always an easy way to jump into conversation. This is one way I might handle this situation (Let’s assume the girl to the right is the target):

girls: Hey, can you take a picture of us?
me: yea sure…(take the camera) Okay, on the count of 5!

Count off until 5, take a picture….but completely cut out the girl in the yellow. Hand the camera back as you normally would, and they will check the picture as always.

If I were to “defuse this d-bag” it would just be out of the kindness of my heart. I don’t think it would be necessary, but I’d probably just say something for the sake of conversation. “so how did you end up getting dragged out with all of these girls?” then he’d tell me they either all went to school together, or that he is meeting the girl in the red for the first time off of a craigslist ad, but she doesn’t seem that interested…so I could gain a little knowledge about the group.

girl in yellow: “Hey, you cut me out of the picture!”
me: “what? yea I know…I didn’t think you wanted to be in it…” (strait faced)
girl in yellow: ??? (she is confused)
me: “I just assumed that since you didn’t do you hair or anything that you didn’t want to be in the picture ” (now you can start smiling at her)

me: “If a girl can pull it off…I usually prefer a girl with messy hair anyways”

You can keep her wondering if you have the opinion that she can pull it off or not…she will probably ask…just smile, don’t answer and have her buy you a drink.

Actually, just cutting the girl out of the photo is enough of a neg right there. I’d hand it back and “Oh, how about that. You got cut out.”

Roosh:

To the guy: “Hey man you can’t let these aggressive girls squeeze you out of the photo like that.”

To the girls: “Couldn’t you guys make a little more space for your guy friend here? He looks all sad and lonely and shit. Like someone just told him his little kitten died.”

Guy is done. Will be even better if he says something like “But uhhh I don’t have a kitten.”

I would go for the girl on the far right. She doesn’t seem to need a neg but if it was necessary: “Very cool necklace where did you get it from? I saw some many like it being sold in this market for 3,000 pesos. That comes out to a dollar fifty in american money. Cool though, anyway.”

If she likes my vibe she’ll ask “which market” and then it’s clear sailing until I get cockblocked by the asian.

Chuck:

i’d go after the asian chick:

“oh, sorry, let’s take another, your eyes were closed”

This is NOT a good neg. However, it is very funny.

lurker:

“It’s so nice to meet some girls who don’t feel the need to dress up to go out and have fun.”

So close. Take the edge off it a bit with this rewording: “It’s so cool to meet girls who are confident enough to go out without getting overdressed.”

Cannon’s Canon:

Being asked to take a group photo is like winning a free set. First, I turn the camera and take a photo of myself. Then, I ask the group what emotion they are going for. I’ve drawn this out into a whole photo shoot routine, where I suggested contrasting emotions to do some push-pull and described some scenarios to do a little role-playing.

This is more of a routine than a neg. If you have a fertile imagination you can really run with this idea.

el chief:

My target for sex would be the brunette on the left. Blondie has nice tits, but I think the one in red is prettier.

I’d neg the group as a whole by accusing them of being bridge and tunnel crew. In Vancouver, there is a shitty white trash suburb called Maple Ridge (”Maple Ditch”), and I’d ask them how they’re going to get home there if they’re drinking all night.

Blondie gets negged for being too rosy cheeked. I’d ask her if she’s part Asian (they get red when they drink), and accuse her of being a lush.

Asian girl gets accused of being a banana (yellow on the outside but white on the inside), for hanging with “gwai-los” (white ppl). I would ask her if she’s blondie’s half sister.

I’d ask Mexican girl if she rode her bike to the bar [cuz she looks like a hippie]

Red shirt, I would neg her by ignoring her for a while, and chatting up everyone else. Later, I would compliment her on her sweater, and how my boss has the exact same one. That’s JC Penney right?

I would not attack dude right away. Try to make friends with him, and get his ok to be in the group. Then, slowly grind him down. Question him on why he’s out with these girls when they obviously don’t want to bang him. Goad him into hitting on other girls in the bar.

In the future, I’m just going to hand over the comments section for all game related posts to Roosh and el chief.

Also, to the commenter who ranked the girls in the picture as 1s, 0s and 4s, you are a raving basement nerd who would probably jizz in his pants if one of those girls talked to you. If those girls are 1s, then 99% of the world’s women are 1s. Get a grip.





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  1. Didn’t have time to read most of the comments. But stopped reading when it became apparent that most commenters don’t know what a neg is.

    Going to try the camera routine.

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  2. Oh shit bro we made front page!

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  3. At least our collective lack of neg-competence is quite damming for the argument that “knowing about game destroys game”.

    If people commenting here can’t get it right, most people won’t even recognize a well-executed neg in retrospect.

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  4. A thing about the “Test your Game” posts is that what someone responds wiht as a blog comment is in 99% of the cases NOT how he would respond in the field in live-time.

    As soon as I saw a new post with the “Test your Neg” title I told myself, before scrolling any lower — “respond immediatley, without thinking.” As though some chicks did in fact asked me to snap their photo.

    Read the challenge. Looked at the photo. Started typing immediately to simulate a live-fire situation. My immeditate reactions were these: the guy is harmless; better to keep him around as a prop; and the blondie is my target.

    My Neg was teasing her to step back and stop crowding out her girlfriends.

    Not a great neg; lesser alpha at best if follow-thru is solid. But not bad as far as ad-lib goes.

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  5. i say tyler is the winner. the hair neg would definitely work on most girls .
    although i might be a bit mad at first and call him a jerk to my friends i’d probably go back for more abuse.

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  6. For future reference:

    1. A neg is a tease
    2. A neg is not a pure insult

    Imagine you are a standup comedian, and you are pointing out funny things about people in the audience.

    You should be able to use the same or similar neg on a male without getting punched in the face.

    It is a friendly jest.

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  7. so nice that roissy’s being realistic about rating women’s looks. none of those girls were in the 0 – 4 range. i sometimes think the harshest critics of women’s looks are wrestling problems w/ their self-value.

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  8. You want negs?

    To the right…

    “You have the cutest receding hair line.”

    Just playing..

    “Did you buy that necklace off starving Ethiopian children.”

    To the girls in the middle… to one of them.

    “Nice outfit! Are you a lesbian couple?” Saying this while looking at the other one.

    Why?

    “Because your going for the pair look.”

    Or if your interested in the Asian girl…

    “I can tell your Americanized.”

    Why?

    “Authentic Asian girls smile more. I bet you have a really cute smile.”

    Personally, the only girl worth going is the left with the black jacket. She looks innocent, but kinky and corruptible.

    “You have nice hair… you should make it longer so it fits your fashion sense.”

    Finally to the guy… testing…

    “Dude don’t be that guy. You are ruining their picture.”

    If he is friends with them..

    “Oh you know them… make room for this poor chap!”

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  9. on August 2, 2009 at 2:28 pm D. Ray Morton

    And here I thought a neg was when you call the girl a fat, ugly, filthy, stinky ho.

    Glad to be set straight on that.

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  10. on August 2, 2009 at 2:30 pm D. Ray Morton

    p.s. Chuck’s answer, though funny, seems a little insulting to be considered a neg, no?

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  11. PS: I am sad my brilliant banter didn’t even make it to the front page of roissy’s blog.

    ROISSY I SHED TEARS ON UR ACCOUNT

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  12. el chief: So that’s part of the reason why one consistently might find stand-up comedians attractive?

    Actually…

    are stand-up routines a good source in general for checking out how to carry out edgy conversation/being funny?

    Perhaps the problem with all media is the frame you use to derive the lessons from it.


    Clearly missing a foot doesn’t get in his way.

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  13. on August 2, 2009 at 2:41 pm ironrailsironweights

    My dingleberries are delicious!

    Peter

    [editor: who knew!]

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  14. My only problem here is that there is the presumption that there is only *one* way to skin the proverbial cat. This becomes problematic because obviously, all guys don’t have the skills needed to Neg effectively, let alone cold-approach, etc. It’s a skill that works well for Roissy or Roosh, God bless em both, but not for others.

    This is why I’d like to see posts that feature a variety of approaches, because the truth of the matter is, and the ladies can back me up or chin check me on this, any number of approaches CAN work, depending on the guy in question.

    Again: I simply cannot see any of the Black Men I know running any kind of lines that Roissy outlines above. That doesn’t mean its bad, just different. And Women can and do respond to different approaches. Anyone w/any time out in the field knows what I’m saying is true.

    Let’s get out of this one size fits all mentality. It only helps the few, not the many.

    O

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  15. That neg post is exactly why most guys shouldn’t get caught up in technical game. It’s just more work than it’s worth, it backfires most of the time, and it’s much easier to just be a man. Few guys can make technical game work all the way through to the end. And on top of that, readers had the time to actually think of their negs. In the real world, they’ll have to come up with lines within a split second. Anyhow, I love Chuck’s reply. Even if he didn’t get the girls, the guy would get a beer from me.

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  16. “Also, to the commenter who ranked the girls in the picture as 1s, 0s and 4s, you are a raving basement nerd who would probably jizz in his pants if one of those girls talked to you. If those girls are 1s, then 99% of the world’s women are 1s. Get a grip.”

    I agree with you Roissy. Guys who diss good looking girls like the ones in the pic need a little less YouPorn in their lives and more going out.

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  17. Lurker’s comment “Sometimes I neg girls by stirring their drinks with my dick” made me laugh my ass off at work.

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  18. I’m too lazy to go back and check through what I’m sure is 1000 comments by now, but who was the guy with the outrageously low ratings? Libby? Firepower?

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  19. Same guy, 1:30ish, Swedish routine. Pretty sure the woman he said ‘will be raping you later’ was one he ‘built rapport’ with earlier.

    I’m no expert but is the word ‘score!’?

    Possibly just an excuse to link to stand-up comedy. Other parts are fun too. Starts off his routine with the controversial statement ‘I love Americans!’

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  20. Standup is good.

    It’s a good place to take a girl on a date.

    It’s good to listen to in order to get in the right mood for a date.

    Inviting a girl up to your place to watch some standup on youtube is almost as good as having a Wii.

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  21. new negs:

    to the guy: “hey faggot…get lost…these bitches are mine now. you can stay and watch if you want though.”

    to the girl on the right: “sup sweetlips? get your brazilian chiquita ass over here for a sec…” (she comes up dewey-eyed…i stick 2 fingers in her mouth softly) …”yeah…i’m going to use this hole later…real good” ok we go off. asian chick comes up, says,
    “hey be careful!”
    *punches asian in the face*
    other girls “take us!”
    i also take the asian girl…by the hair

    back at a motel I do the 4 chicks as the dbag sits in the corner and rubs himself

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  22. to the commenter who ranked the girls in the picture as 1s, 0s and 4s

    Calling the girls 0s and 1s may be a bit of an over exaggeration, but I don’t understand why somebody would waste his time negging those girls when there are other better looking women around. They’re not ugly, but they’re just average and not really sexually attractive…

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  23. It’s sort of interesting how few of us can discern negs from insults; I’ve made the same mistake myself on more than one occasion.

    A testament to Game as an art form rather than a blunt, misguided attempt to bag a ton of women.

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  24. Assanova,
    Good points, Man. I mean, can you imagine say, Stringer Bell doing the Neg thing as outlined above? Cmon.

    Different approaches to Game, people. Learn it.

    O

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  25. Addendum:

    That does not mean that women can not discern the difference; their hearts (and loins) are quite adept at doing so.

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  26. DA: Of course Your Betaness, your faith remains strong.

    While we have you here, inform us of the Official Perspectives, Stances and Actions of the Church regarding the Four Horsemen.

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  27. Bhetti,
    I would say that Dave Alex’s views regarding Women cannot be considered legitimate, for the simple reason that he lacks so much experience WITH Women. It’s like, why bother?

    But I did like your question to him wrt the Four Horsemen, as Tood puts it. Will be an interesting reply, should he have a mind.

    O

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  28. Surrey is a better call-out than Maple Ridge.

    Not an appropriate neg though, since insinuating to a Vancouverite girl that she may have once set foot there will have the same effect as calling her a filthy cunt at point-blank range.

    Last week a friend-girl of mine became embroiled in some drama outside of a club. Her tongue is sharp:

    “Whatever, you girls have to run if you’re going to catch the last skytrain back to Surrey.”

    Complete shock and awe.

    – Zdeno

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  29. Obsidian:

    I really can’t see anyone other than a socially savvy nerd being able to implement technical game from start to finish. Normal guys just don’t have the time needed to invest in memorizing and learning how to implement technical game. And most nerds just don’t have the social savvy and quick reaction time to make it work in the field once they’ve memorized it.

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  30. Bhetti–

    DA is actually an Omega.

    Yeah, ok, I know that beta is often sort of used to encompass omegas here too, except maybe those that are hopelessly ugly, deformed, or losers in every way. But DA shouldn’t be beta lumped I don’t think.

    He shouldn’t be given his sociability, but he is.

    Due to extremely self defeating attitude/beliefs and low drive.

    It’s not that he’s only had one intercourse (or it seems any real) sexual event in his 26 years. That could be due to religious reasons. It’s that he doesn’t have any such celibacy before marriage views but wished for sex but can’t / doesn’t get it. At all. But once.

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  31. It’s how you say it not what you say. Ahole game is no compliments and borderline negs/insults.

    I bet it will be more fun to spill water on those two chicks with white shirts and say u wanted to see if the Asian had smaller tits than the white broad would have worked better than all the negs combined.

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  32. Obsidian,

    Last night I went out with a small group of local PUAs. One of them was a black guy who appeared to be in his late 20s, a Stringer Bell type. Best guy I’ve ever seen in the field. He seemed to follow Mystery’s M3 Model pretty closely, but his game was also very aggressive and high T.

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  33. Assanova–

    I really can’t see anyone other than a socially savvy nerd being able to implement technical game from start to finish. Normal guys just don’t have the time needed to invest in memorizing and learning how to implement technical game.

    If you aren’t getting laid you make time. Or you do if you’ve got a sex drive.

    The “normal guys” you’re talking about are less intelligent men with not so high sex drives. You might be right about them.

    btw, socially savvy nerd is something of an oxymoron. To the extent he’s socially savvy he’s not a nerd by instead an intelligent savvy guy. Really intelligent really socially savvy guys with some aggression are devestating naturals unless some ideology has messed them up. (Which still won’t mess up the truly great combos to stop them.)

    The socially savvy and not so nerdy, but intelligent, can learn from the better game teachers, esp. those that do it at the meta level like Roissy, some things to avoid and some principles and more about female lust psychology. Then they can improvise. They can also learn a limited number of canned things, and learn a lot from reviewing a number of routines but not actually memorizing them. Instead seeing principles made concrete.

    Super nerds will have a harder time, even if they do devote the time to not only memorize but learn the concepts. Because they’re not that sociable. Still they can avoid many bad moves and move up, and have some limited success I’d imagine. But in between nerds/naturals, with some if not stellar natural social ability but a lot of nice guy programming, can improve a whole lot, it seems to me.

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  34. Huck Finn,
    Exactly, and I’ve done the same thing, basically modified Mystery’s system and tailored it to my needs, skills and strengths, not try to parrot it word for word. In fact there are things I don’t do at all in said system, for example wearing outrageous hats or painting my nails, etc. Still, much of what he says makes sense, and if nothing else, gives lots to think about.

    Anyway, the “Stringer Bell” type you observed DID NOT run the Neg routine as outlined above. The vast majority of Black guys won’t do that.

    O

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  35. “p.s. Chuck’s answer, though funny, seems a little insulting to be considered a neg, no?”

    nah that wasn’t a neg…i wouldn’t say it in real life of course as the girls would shun me after a comment like that.

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  36. “Anyway, the “Stringer Bell” type you observed DID NOT run the Neg routine as outlined above. The vast majority of Black guys won’t do that.”

    This guy’s game was so tight that it would have been absurd for him to use the neg. There was no need for him to lower the value of any of the women he talked to relative to his own. In fact, he would have to blatantly dlv when talking to 7s and the like.

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  37. Zdeno–

    “Whatever, you girls have to run if you’re going to catch the last skytrain back to Surrey.”

    Complete shock and awe.

    You call out on Surrey, British Columbia lead me to investigate. Not surprisingly my simple obvious google search yielded the Wikipedia with no social flavor or rep, probably written and then overwritten by city flacks. Other tourist and job attacting sites followed. The simple appending of the work reputation (remember kiddies, NO JUDGMENTS) yielded this:

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Surrey,_British_Columbia

    (Hey, it’s thunder storming out here on our weekend retreat.)

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  38. While I am considered a natural when it comes to flirting and warming up a crowd of girls, I’m curious about this whole negging business. I do this a lot, but I always thought it was just how folks communicate with each other. Probably a cultural thing, I spent a lot of my youth abroad.

    Question: I’m chatting up a very cute Russian bartender the other night. I ask about her boyfriend (I knew she had one from a previous visit to the bar), and she mentions he’s out and that she is very single. I respond,

    “Oh, I’m definitely not asking you out, you Russian girls are so expensive.”

    She gets defensive, but playfully so, making fun of my heritage in turn, and emphasizing that not all Russian girls are like that, followed by “Ugh, you get me so agitated!” which I took as very positive.

    Is this what you folks consider a neg? yes, I’m a noob to this stuff, deal with it.

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  39. Imagine you are a standup comedian, and you are pointing out funny things about people in the audience.

    Most standup comedians are dropping thermonuclear insult bombs when they talk about (or to) someone in the audience.

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  40. The first one (Tyler’s, I guess) is just plain rude. Why is that a neg?

    Oh, how about that. You got cut out.”

    Me: ??????????????….??? O…k…
    (walk away)
    I’d delete the picture and ask another guy to take a new one.

    “hey, can you take a picture of us? Make sure everybody is in the picture ok?…that retard out there just cut me out of the first attemption of our picture. Let’s see if you can do it *wink*”
    (I wouldn’t add it was on purpose).

    Congrats Roissy! (btw you really like the book, don’t you?). I really love this blog, you make me laugh. Keep up the good work.

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  41. L’Emmerdeur

    Negging is a subtle playful way of asserting male dominance, without having to “pay through the roof” for it. E.g. by being the Prime Minister of France or mega rich, etc.

    The mission of feminism has been to counteract male dominance by feminist legislation and propaganda. This has worked on many smarter and higher SES or headed males to too far a degree.

    Hence game.

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  42. awaiting moderation? ME?

    😦

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  43. I agree with Roissy, the comments in the previous thread were terrible.

    If an obnoxious fat girl came up with you and “negged you” with an insult, would you be interested in her? You’d laugh and walk away. That’s what girls will do to you if you use bad negs. You’re only hurting yourself.

    A neg is a tease – use it like James Bond.

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  44. on August 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm Willard Libby

    roissy – Also, to the commenter who ranked the girls in the picture as 1s, 0s and 4s,

    That would be me.

    you are a raving basement nerd

    I don’t live in a basement, I rent a crawlspace from an old lady on the edge of town who owns 100 cats.

    And I’m not nerdy, fat or a fratboy. And I don’t rave.

    who would probably jizz in his pants if one of those girls talked to you.

    They look like airheads. More likely I would barely listen to them and I would say things like “Who knows”, “Could be” and other throw away lines that come in handy when dealing with the generic female ‘tard.

    If those girls are 1s, then 99% of the world’s women are 1s. Get a grip.

    Most of the women in the world are poor women from China, Indonesia, India, sub Saharan Africa and mestizo Latin America. They are mostly 1s at best.

    I wouldn’t bother negging those girls. They are duds. Blondie is only OK in comparison to the Kennel Club she chose as friends.

    But she’s no better than a 4.

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  45. I thought all the girls were cute. I don’t see why you have to do anything routine-based at all.

    If it had been me, I would have taken a picture, and had (whatever girl I was interested in) take one of me with the remaining girls and the guy, introduced myself and asked the girls to do the same.

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  46. Willard…they don’t look like models but come on, they aren’t 4’s…who do you think you are? James Bond?

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  47. Silvia–

    awaiting moderation? ME?

    It’s wordpress programming, not Roissy.

    Haven’t figured it out really.

    It does NOT hit the most obnoxious, un-PC, or flaming posters at all. Not what it does.

    Some think links tend to set it off. Not my experience.

    I get the message every once in awhile, but never get actually delayed.

    Maybe it has a suspicious posts to other posts algorithm. Suspicious posts being ones with lots of links. I suspect it’s mostly or entirely trying to block spam comments advertising stuff.

    But that doesn’t cover it all because I sometimes get the warning but not delay over posts with no links.

    btw, Brazilian babe. How do you rank yourself on the ten scale? Honestly.

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  48. Huck Finn,
    If you wouldn’t mind, could you please describe how “Stringer Bell” actually did his thing? Did he approach, if so how, what did he say, how did he move, etc, et al? I think that might prove helpful to the readers here. Thanks.

    O

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  49. 1) Presuming that immigration from Islamic (read: Arab/Pakistanis) societies increases, everything hinges on whether these immigrants become seduced by radical forms of Islam and whether Western societies bend over backwards to cater to every little demand on their part. If radical forms of Islam dominate and spread into non-Arab sections of the immigrant population and natives while receiving preferential treatment from Western governments, then we’re going to have some trouble ahead.

    2) Fully functional sex robots seem rather implausible for the short and possibly medium term, as it would require a level of robotics, chemical, and artificial intelligence that just isn’t possible and affordable for the common man within the next decade. In the long-term, this may change as prices come down and technology improves. The main thing about a sexrobot is that it needs to be able to replicate a woman, but with the one critical difference in that it would find a beta male attractive. If the robot fails at this task, then it’s an expensive lovedoll that can move on it’s own or a pathetic and expensive prostitute.

    3) It’s hard to determine what would be the long-term effect of more men learning game. It depends on whether an increase in men is just merely a small number of men or a sizable chunk of male society, and whether these men are sub-human males or average beta males, and whether they’ll waste their game on 4s and 5s in long-term relationships like an idiot or on hot women in short-term sex-fueled adventures like a genius.

    4) Somehow, I don’t believe that will happen as we live in a highly functioning society where some beta will accept $45K per year to crush the heads of the disenfranchised man.

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  50. I wouldn’t bother negging those girls. They are duds.

    I’m amazed Roissy is defending such women from low rankings. Either he’s related to one of them as a friend or family member, or his game is only good enough to secure such women for a relationship. Given the Roissy that we’ve come to enjoy reading, one would suspect that he’d issue a savage post about these women due to their average, non-hot looks.

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  51. Obsidian,

    Stringer would open sets boldly with a high energy approach. He had a bodybuilder’s physique and good looks so the women that he talked to invariably welcomed his advances. His game was very playful, with a lot of teasing, though he didn’t do or say anything that would e considered an outright neg. At one point he approached a table of 7 women simply by picking up a chair and sitting down without asking permission. He remained in that set for over 20 minutes. It was inspiring.

    Also, this fellow had an accent which led me to believe that he is an immigrant from some part of Africa.

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  52. David Alexander

    I’m amazed Roissy is defending such women from low rankings.

    You’re crazy.

    There’s not a girl in that photo that’s less than a 6. Period. It’s clear. The only one’s who will debate that are fronting assholes or have extreme ethnic preferences/dislikes. (Beyond the white black thing where it’s common worldwide.)

    I said and say sevens except for Chinese girl who’s a six. Maybe partly because she looks so hard ass. (I didn’t rate that NYC hard and driven career woman looking “character” model in one of Roissy’s two “rate these 10 girls” posts very highly either.) But the brunette on the far left and blondie are both pushing 8’s. I put blondie over the line to 8 in part due to bod boost, and I think sexuality boost. Yeah she’ll get nuts if you’re doin’ it right.

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  53. Also, at one point he chastised me for ejecting after opening a seated two set that didn’t hook. He suggested that I should have sat down anyway. Unapologetically insinuating himself into the groups that he approached seemed to a big part of his MO.

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  54. You’re crazy.

    Dude, there is no way that those girls could be 7s in any part of the Western world.

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  55. @doug1 I don’t rank myself…is bad luck haha (I just came up with this one). But I assume I’m easy on the eyes 😉

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  56. Glad to see I made the list of gems in those ridiculous neg comments. There were some funny ones though…

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  57. Doug,
    It is not wise to debate the issue w/a Man who by his own admission hasn’t even bedded four Women in his entire life. End. Of. Story.

    O

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  58. david alexander — it would be interesting to see you post links to girls who you think are 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, and 10s.

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  59. on August 2, 2009 at 5:42 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    I love the sweater neg, I thought it looked out of place but I just couldn’t come up with a good neg for it. I thought the “pretend to steal the camera” thing was good also. I also loled pretty hard at people rating the girls as 1s-4s, they’re all in the 5.5-8 range imo.

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  60. “david alexander — it would be interesting to see you post links to girls who you think are 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, and 10s.”

    No it wouldn’t. They’d mostly be porn actresses with plastic inserts for tits. Maybe a few blow-up dolls thrown in.

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  61. It is not wise to debate the issue w/a Man who by his own admission hasn’t even bedded four Women in his entire life. End. Of. Story.

    I may have no sexual experience, but that does not bar one from making a determination on a woman’s beauty and attractiveness.

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  62. Its not just the utter lack of sexual experience, Dave Alex. But its the utter lack of experience *overall* w/Women. You have virtually none.

    Put this together w/your greatly skewed perceptions of beauty as a result of perpetually jacking it to porn, and you can’t really have any legitimate reference point on this matters that are of any importance. Or relevance.

    Now, that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be allowed to speak-I’m against censorship. But what I am saying is that because of your utter lack of experience in these and related matters, what you have to offer is limited, at best. Not trying to be harsh, just being real.

    O

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  63. When it comes to women, as with many other things, quantity has a quality all its own.
    Are you listening, DA?

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  64. These girls from photos in my collection are what one should consider a 6. The girls featured in Roissy’s post are far worse looking in my opinion…

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  65. The women on the picture look at least better than 75% of women in the USA within the same age range. From left to right, number 1 (brunette) and 3 (asian Chick) are sevens, numbers 2 (blond girl) and 4 (cute nose chick) are eights.
    If I could choose I would make number 4 (cute nose) my girlfriend. AND THESE CHICKS ARE AROUND 2O, NOT 15 YEARS OLD.

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  66. On the other hand since lady Rain believes that she looks like 25, I’m not surprised that real 20 year olds look to her like 15. Oh, and David Alexander seems to be a chubby chaser, so I’m not surprised that he isn’t into these girls.

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  67. These two girls from Doug’s most recent submissions to the Female Photo Submissions course are doable per my standards, especially if they had nails…

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  68. I missed the competition, but I’d ask the blonde if she was William H. Macy’s daughter.

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  69. “Who’s William H. Macy?”

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  70. doug1:

    I’m referring to men who just hate technical game period. I have quite a few very intelligent friends that just don’t want to invest in the MM style technical game. Just because they don’t want to learn game that way doesn’t mean that they are dumb. There’s more than one way to learn how to pick up women, and technical game is just one of many ways. Paul Janka’s and David X’s styles are just two examples of game that doesn’t require a lot of memorization.

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  71. please read my post above, also by “wtf,” and comment, waiting for your thoughts, much appreciated

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  72. David Alexander,

    The future is a bit more complex than alpha, beta or omega. Ultimately, the success of a system depends not on it’s achievements but it’s resistance to failures.

    The big complication is that our actions and chance shape the future in ways that we cannot predict. The single biggest failing of whites arises from their belief that they “know”.

    Most whites have no concept of what “survival of the fittest” really means. Evolution does not occur through lethal intra-species competition. Rather it occurs through chance, destruction of nonviable ends, ability to survive and shaping of species by survivor bias.

    But all of this occurs against a changing environment, both as a result of our actions and chance. Such interactions are very hard to model, and people with mental biases will always get it wrong.

    As an example- The land dinosaurs (one group of archosaurs) came and went, but crocodilians (another group of archosaurs) are still kicking around. Why? There are many possible reasons suggested by self indulgent white academics, but it ultimately comes down to chance. The crocs were in the right niche at the right time, the dinos were just unlucky.

    Paradoxically, the earliest crocs were slim, agile, four legged predators that looked like greyhounds from hell.. but over time some crocs adapted to an environment like the one they live in today.

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  73. Congrats Roissy on the growth and success of the blog! First and foremost.

    We should all try to make the comments and board worthy of the quality of the writing in the main posts. You know who you are, who screw that up every day.

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  74. Thanks for noting that the ladies are nice looking. The amount of comments calling them unattractive, sheesh, they’re perfectly lovely and attractive.

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  75. 2) Fully functional sex robots seem rather implausible for the short and possibly medium term, as it would require a level of robotics, chemical, and artificial intelligence that just isn’t possible and affordable for the common man within the next decade.

    The common man doesn’t have to be able to afford a sexbot. He only has to be able to afford renting a sexbot. Right now good looking escorts charge $200-$300 an hour for their time. A sexbot’s total cost of ownership merely needs to be low enough that a business can rent them for $70-$100 an hour. Actually, cut that in half since it’s a bot and most men wouldn’t want or need more than a half hour. $35-$50 a pop? Most men spend more than that on drinks at a bar.

    Much as with sex toys for women, a sexbot’s orifices could be designed to do things that the real thing can’t to increase the intensity and help make up for the fact that it’s not real. A sexbot designer doesn’t have to replace women, only get close enough to the mark that the experience is worth $50 to a beta who never gets any. I wish I had the money to develop such a bot because this market will be pure profit. There is no shortage of AFC’s in our society. Make the experience good enough and you will have a repeat customer dropping much of his paycheck on your bot.

    Just imagine building a combination strip club and sexbot house. The girls strip and do lap dances, then offer to take the guy in back for a sexbot screw. The owner of such an establishment would have more money than G Manifesto.

    Since it’s a robot, it can work 24/7, minus the time required for a brief cleaning after each visit. AFAIK a business filled with sexbots for rent would not violate any laws, though I imagine the first one to open will create a wave of protest from women and feminists.

    Certain limitations on capability would make sexbots feasible sooner rather than later, especially in a rental situation. They would have to look more realistic than we’ve achieved so far, though it’s creepy how close the Japanese are. (The reason their robots are so creepy is precisely because they’re so close to looking like flesh and blood humans, and smaller differences creep us out more than larger ones.) And the feel of their skin and flesh would have to be very realistic.

    But let’s be honest here: they don’t have to have sophisticated AI that allows them to engage in conversation. They just need to grunt and talk dirty at the right moments. And they don’t have to be able to walk. They just need to be able to assume various positions and be light enough that the man can move and rotate them.

    Quite frankly, I don’t see why this wouldn’t be feasible within a decade.

    Obviously this level of sexbot can’t replace real women. But a good looking sexbot that feels right would bring in the business and further erode the market value of 6’s and below. Fatties will be in real trouble when a guy can drop $50 and have a porn star robot take the edge off with realistic skin and no condom required. But then maybe the fatties will be visiting Sybian shops.

    There’s something really disturbing about the future. Part of me just can’t believe that lonely adults turning to machines for sex is better than a society where men and women are raised properly and end up in loving relationships and even marriages. But I think we’re heading for a time when most people end up screwing machines. Just look at dating in Japan.

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  76. These girls from photos in my collection are what one should consider a 6. The girls featured in Roissy’s post are far worse looking in my opinion…

    You’re kidding me, right?

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  77. But the brunette on the far left and blondie are both pushing 8’s. I put blondie over the line to 8 in part due to bod boost, and I think sexuality boost. Yeah she’ll get nuts if you’re doin’ it right.

    Agreed. Blondie would be a lot of fun and is clearly a 7+.

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  78. on August 2, 2009 at 7:47 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    DT is right.

    A sexbot does not need to be affordable to the average man. A sexbot merely needs to be affordable to 10% of men, for their effect to have an impact on ALL women, and hence ALL men.

    A totally compelling sexbot, available for $100,000, would easily sell 1 million units WW. Some billionaires would buy 50 sexbots, and maintain villas exclusively for sexbot use.

    1 million units. Now how many genuine 9.5s and 10s are there in the world, at any given time? Perhaps a million as well.

    Hence, the supply of 9.5s and 10s doubles due to sexbots. Imagine the dynamic of a bar or nightclub if the number of 9.5s and 10s doubles, from 2 to say 4.

    And if sexbots drop to just $50,000, game over. All women 7 and below are screwed.

    The key point about sexbots is that so few women are 9.5s and 10s, and the premium our society gives on them is so high, that a sexbot (which obviously will be engineered to look like a 10/10+) really disrupts the whole ecosystem.

    I still say a software solution (3-D/VR/hologram) will happen before sexbots. See Microsoft’s project Natal. But either one will have the same effect

    It will be amazing, really.

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  79. How many of you are actually practicing PUAs?

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  80. dam roissy. imagine when you do publish your book. thousands of people will buy it. kinda like that SWPL author.

    heres another neg candidate; http://i32.tinypic.com/2z7l6hh.jpg

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  81. on August 2, 2009 at 8:13 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Back to the negs :

    While outright saying that a girl is fat, is not a neg, the subtle way of implying it is definitely a neg.

    Again, my suggestion was (addressed to whichever of the 4 is your target) :

    You, stand 3/4 facing. The rest of you, stand full on. Now you look uniform.

    I think that is a good neg, and is along the same lines as classic oldie ASF negs like “Your nose wiggles when you talk, sort of like this pet hamster I once had”, or (upon saying she is a model) “You mean like a hand model or something”?

    Any neg about looks has to be done with the utmost delicacy, but it is the bread and butter of all negs, and negs to 9s and 10s usually have to be looks-based.

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  82. DA, doug didn’t post that. i did

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  83. I’m kinda aware my negs sucked, or, at least, were suboptimal. it isn’t my style to lead with that kind of thing, so i probably wouldn’t have, and it would have come out forced. was just contributing for the sake of the contest. obs and assnova are on the mark when they say that “technical” game comes across as kinda geeky when not practiced by, you know, total PUA geeks who have turned it into an arcane art form. just being your best self in a masculine way is the most reliable way to go – play to your strengths, avoid your weaknesses.

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  84. on August 2, 2009 at 8:31 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    I’m kinda aware my negs sucked, or, at least, were suboptimal. it isn’t my style to lead with that kind of thing, so i probably wouldn’t have,

    One big problem with the question is that a neg is ideally done only after you have opened, and have some attraction and/or rapport.

    A neg right off of the get-go (as required by this particular question) is not the right time anyway.

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  85. Maybe I am spoiled being in nyc, but NONE of those girls rate over 6.5.

    First you need to define your scale.
    10 is hollywood actress/ super model. A 9 is an almost model. So you can see why none of those women are 8s.

    A 5 is perfectly average. 6 is above average.

    A 4 is slightly below average. 4s can have decent bodies and are fuckable with just a slight buzz, and if you can get them quick and with minimal effort.

    The last girl on the far right is the least attractive- I barely give her a 5, the asian scores just a little higher maybe a 5.4.

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  86. @DA
    Those are some really pretty girls in the pics you / Doug (?) posted.

    Your taste is fine. But it’s purely aesthetic. I think most men here are thinking of what it’d be like to bed those women.

    The girls in the neg post definitely aren’t 4s but are nowhere near 8s, IMO.

    But if you got into the real world and actually attempted w/ chicks, you’d have less stringent standards, I’m sure.

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  87. collegeboy: My sister comments on the one on the far right: ‘She’s the evil one from Ugly Betty. That’s it… Lindsay Lohan!’

    Back-handed compliment? Well, I find it funny, anyhoo.

    Doug: If I remember it right DA calls himself beta but, yes, quite, he is an omega really.

    O: Was more attempting to explain his views to any ignorant members of the audience with the help of the website. Didn’t mean to imply any legitimacy to his views. Au contraire.

    el chief: Stand up comedy for a date?! That’s what I’m talkin’ about!

    How easy and free she is with her laughter, and what she does and doesn’t find amusing, does that tell you something?

    What games on the Wii are women receptive to?

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  88. @Game in BK- agreed.

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  89. i knew roissy had to be a crepax/desclos fan.

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  90. By the time I looked at that neg post it was balls deep in idiocy and bullshit.

    Still, my neg was similar to lurkers. And like lurker I’d have probably been to harsh with the wording.

    Also, blond is definitely the target. Nice tits from the look of it.

    Also, the cut the girl out of the photo is something I would use.

    I for one will admit to learning something from these sort of posts. Don’t stop just because you have a comments section full of people status whoring.

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  91. and to followup on the asian: she wouldn’t be so bad if she wore some makeup (not to mention better clothes — geezus, what’s with the hanes underwear?), had better posture, and lost 20 pounds.

    then again i’ve noticed that asian chicks that lust for white johnson are those who no self-respecting asian man would touch with a thousand foot pole. too damn fugly, even for a pasadena mudslide.

    i realize there are asian guys who bitch about how white men supposedly steal “their” women…….to these i only can say….do i smell ‘GINA????

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  92. I already defined the scale better than anyone else in the original Negs thread:

    5 is indifferent, 6 is approaching cute, 7 is cute with flashes of pretty, 8 is consistently pretty, 9 is hot, and 10 is beautiful.

    I also rated the girls more accurately than others:

    The three white girls are 8s. Not 7s, 6s, 4s, or 0s. Facewise; can’t tell bodywise.

    And I provided additional rationale for my correct ratings of those girls:

    Red shirt can be too quirky from some angles, but she’s cute++. Blondie has the kind of face you can’t stop looking at. She might be approaching 9 in fact.

    I’ll also add that if the blondie had smaller boobies, ideally perky A-cups, she’s easily be a 9.

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  93. He only has to be able to afford renting a sexbot.

    $200 to $300 an hour is a bit expensive from my perspective given that I see the sexbot a full replacement for female sexual engagement, and thus, it’s a device that one would want to own and use on a daily basis to satisfy sexual urges. Even at a lower rental price, I’d prefer to own and to keep the unit at my own house…

    a sexbot’s orifices could be designed to do things that the real thing can’t to increase the intensity and help make up for the fact that it’s not real

    The problem is that even though it could deliver increased intensity, the problem is that if you view the sexbot as the female replacement, you’re well aware that you’re fucking a robot. For me, for the sexbot to be successful in killing off male interest in women, the sexbot needs to provide the feeling that a woman wants me for sex. Mind you, that my interests in a sexbot may be different from that of other men who just want a warm cum dumpster.

    You’re kidding me, right?

    I’m serious. These women are fives, not sevens. I’m shocked at the amount fawning over these women by men who have supposedly had sex with 8s and 9s.

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  94. whiskey:

    “I thought all the girls were cute. I don’t see why you have to do anything routine-based at all.

    If it had been me, I would have taken a picture, and had (whatever girl I was interested in) take one of me with the remaining girls and the guy, introduced myself and asked the girls to do the same.”

    I wrote something extremely similar in the comments to the original post. It’s certainly possible that one or more of these girls would need negging (the Asian definitely, probably the blonde as well, possibly the girl in yellow – the girl with the shawl looks insecure judging by lack of toothy smile and posture). However, you could probably get away by quickly embracing the whole group in a flirty, friendly way as you outline above. I threw in some mostly gentle negs directed at picture-taker (i.e. target girl): “You know how to use that don’t you?” or “Please don’t cut any of these lovely girls out of the photo ’cause you seem like the type” etc.

    I don’t think the picture lent itself well to inspiring quality negs. That’s not to pick on the girls, all of whom I thought were cute to some degree or another. However, it is to suggest that many people felt reticent enough about their relative hotness to fall flat with the negs. Perhaps next time Roissy ought to provide us with some slightly more inspiring girls? Every man needs a little inspiration now and then.

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  95. can’t believe a “sexbot” is being considered as a female replacement

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  96. Once again, Sexbots will never exist. Nothing can improve on the best non-woman sex aid ever created: the hand.

    What we want from women that the hand can’t give us is these three things: seduction, validation, and intimacy. Jamashiki the Sexbot, like Rosie the Wanker, won’t give you those.

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  97. More likely than sexbots: a sane (for a fucking change) immigration policy of inviting single young woman, 7s and above (with me as judge), from all over the world, unaccompanied by any male relatives or companions from their home countries.

    In the sci-fi realm, I can see a Nordic Goddess and Leggy Latina hatchery before I see a viable sexbot.

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  98. I think the brunette on the left is the prettiest.

    None are 8s- those girls are all just above average. Go to chicago and you will see tons of women that look just like the blonde.

    Every single day I see tons of women that look just like them on the subway. they are above average not exceptional beauties.

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  99. can’t believe a “sexbot” is being considered as a female replacement

    For sub-human males like myself, it’s a way to secure penis in vagina sex with some degree of validation, but without going to a prostitute (who really doesn’t want you) or dealing with the issues of attracting, arousing, dating, and dealing with a real woman.

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  100. 7s and above (with me as judge)

    So we’re getting a bunch of pale, flat chested Polish women?

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  101. on August 2, 2009 at 9:35 pm GNPs are for Apes

    can’t believe a “sexbot” is being considered as a female replacement

    Some can’t believe that anti-male laws exist where a woman get’s a man’s lifetime earnings, for walking out based merely on a selfish whim.

    Sexbots most certainly will be a female replacement, as the sexbots, while still inhuman, will look like supermodels, whereas most women are far less pretty.

    Black women will suffer the soonest, because they are the least beautiful.

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  102. No, eastern European are needed in their own countries. Though I’d let in a number of European women too, from either side of the Oder.

    But there is something like a billion Arabs, Turks, and Central Asians in the world. Most of their chicks are hot babes, given a chance. Ever seen a non-burqua’s Lebanese girl? Infrigginbelievable how hot some are. Beats hot Latinas in my opinion.

    Plus ther are hot female Latinas, Asians, and Africans too that can come to the US.

    Finally yes, my bias woudl tend toward the petites n the rack department. It’s just better.

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  103. Roissy explained:
    There were 473,908 views…

    1996 called on a big honkin’ carphone! It wants its irrelevant “hit-count” stats back.

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  104. When sex-bots are programed to kill themselves when you don’t call back the day after you have fucked it…. well, that would be interesrting.

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  105. No, eastern European are needed in their own countries.

    Oh come on, it’s Eastern Europe. They can take care of themselves…

    Most of their chicks are hot babes, given a chance. Ever seen a non-burqua’s Lebanese girl?

    It’s the only reason to visit my cousins in Ottawa. 🙂

    As a half-assed joke, I once proposed that the state department basically offer asylum to any Arab woman who wants it. It’s not feasible given that once we start doing that, their societies will begin further restrict women’s free movements.

    Most of their chicks are hot babes, given a chance. Ever seen a non-burqua’s Lebanese girl?

    Men who like small tits should stay east of the Oder.

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  106. PA/DA: Well, Arab chicks don’t tend to be petite in that department. Was sitting in one Arab gathering where the women were loudly complaining about how they had to shop for clothes among the seemingly only for small-chested women. And I don’t remember seeing small-chested myself (er, AT ALL, but may have to observe more closely). C-cup at the least, mostly.

    Dreamer:

    can’t believe a “sexbot” is being considered as a female replacement

    Explanation on simple level that I have gathered is this way: There’s a difference between a female and male sex drive. Males need to have a release and that’s on a purely physical level. (As Doug would say, there’s a push for it) This may or may not be better with emotional and social sexual signals, the most important being the feeling of being desired. [Don’t even rapists — and we’re talking horrific undisputed rape type — say ‘she wanted it, really’?]

    As well as this, those on the scene or striving for it having been through rigours and effort of learning pickup have been exposed to horrors of the worst of female behaviour. As well as this, a truly beautiful woman seems so rare.

    Combine this total picture and it is all too believable, if no less horrific to a woman who doesn’t want to feel that the only worth she has to her significant other can be replicated or even bettered if she isn’t pretty enough by a rather intelligent… machine.

    And if a woman being interesting is impossible, than that is true. If a woman being able to produce children and raise them as he would want them to be raised is worthless, than that is true. If a woman loving a man is worthless, than that is true.

    For the legions of men who have no hope with a modern woman, then the sexbot or a virtual replication is the only experience they can have near this. And it seems… these poor men make up the majority.

    On the other hand, women’s sexuality operates differently but not completely. The AI has to be much more complex and there’re ways this is being fed already (Meyer hit such a button with combining diamonds and vampires in one sparkling image. Bravo!). All the accessories of a sexually liberated society may also be explaining and contributing to why women don’t settle as much: they know what they’re missing, which seems actually much more important for them than for men.

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  107. Bhetti, it must be the diet. Falafels cause boobies to grow. Also, desert sand. Especially during the khamsin season, it pellets the skin, causing it to respond with excessive productions of lipid tissue in the sterno-breastal area.

    Those same young Arab women, transplanted to North America, will be pleased to see their lovelies fully form at the exquisite A-cup size, sometimes perky B-size, unlike their unhappy older sisters’ D-cups.

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  108. will be pleased to see their lovelies fully form at the exquisite A-cup size, sometimes perky B-size

    We need Medicaid sponsored breast implants to save us from the scourge of A and B cups.

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  109. on August 2, 2009 at 10:18 pm sixtypoundhound

    Hah! To my opening comment, no neg needed if you’re doing the picture correctly. This is a flawed scenario – at least in the sense that if you’re forced to play this hand (quickly dropping a neg based on the picture), you’ve managed to miss some better opportunities. There’s just something (sniff, sniff…do I smell a beta?) desperate about this whole setup….

    Seriously, guys, I thought the mark of an Alpha was a relaxed approach to this whole business. You’ve got a nice set up here to engage these girls in normal, natural, conversation – during which you can learn enough about them to engage in a little focused teasing about relevant and interesting material. No desparate lunging to deliver a shitty line, none of this other BS. Just calm, relaxed conversation with some escalating teasing towards the end once you have an angle to work with…

    There’s just something Beta/Omega about flinging yourself at a girl or a group of girls with a canned insult, especially one based on minimal information (one picture)…

    Note…this is very different from righteous Alpha anger, such as I delivered (in one panty-wetting moment) to a girl (serious alpha female, a blond 9 – well educated, high status job, private school, high society parents) when she stepped on my territory on a non-profit board. That ended very nicely 🙂

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  110. $200 to $300 an hour is a bit expensive from my perspective

    That’s what pretty escorts charge now. A sexbot needs to have a rental price that is lower. If the total cost of ownership for a business is such that sexbots are profitable to rent for $100 per hour I think they would be a hit. Most men would choose 1/2 hour at $50.

    given that I see the sexbot a full replacement for female sexual engagement, and thus, it’s a device that one would want to own and use on a daily basis to satisfy sexual urges. Even at a lower rental price, I’d prefer to own and to keep the unit at my own house…

    But sexbots don’t have to be affordable to own to start eroding female market value. Just to rent.

    And I don’t think they would be that incredibly expensive after a few years of production accepting the limitations I outlined above.

    The problem is that even though it could deliver increased intensity, the problem is that if you view the sexbot as the female replacement, you’re well aware that you’re fucking a robot. For me, for the sexbot to be successful in killing off male interest in women, the sexbot needs to provide the feeling that a woman wants me for sex.

    A true synthetic replacement for a woman is, IMHO, impossible. I’m not an atheist, and I tend towards the opinion that life is more complicated than we can encode into a processor. Realistic skin, walking, convincing sexual motions, all probably doable in the long run. But when the thing talks you’re going to realize it’s not alive.

    But then again an escort or prostitute is not a true substitute for a loving girlfriend. Never the less, women themselves recognize the threat to their sexual market value represented by the world’s oldest profession, and therefore are the first to demand it remain illegal. A product does not have to be a perfect substitute to undermine the value of some other product.

    I’m serious. These women are fives, not sevens. I’m shocked at the amount fawning over these women by men who have supposedly had sex with 8s and 9s.

    I’m with PA on his rating scale. By his scale I would rate the three white girls between 7 and 8. If you think they are 5’s (i.e. you would be indifferent to them) then you’ve been watching way, way, way too much porn. A normal guy would be anything but indifferent if he saw an opening with them.

    I suppose there are people here hitting dime pieces so often that 7’s are no longer interesting. But that doesn’t change their rating.

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  111. on August 2, 2009 at 10:19 pm sixtypoundhound

    Read & Discuss:

    “The Banker Method”

    http://www.leveragedsellout.com/2007/09/the-banker-method/

    Can’t beat a natural…

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  112. David, it occurred to me where you can find love: among washed-up retired strippers.

    Oversexualized pesonality: check
    Nails: check
    Giant plastic tits: check
    Tatoos: check
    Money: check

    What more could you ask for?

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  113. Once again, Sexbots will never exist. Nothing can improve on the best non-woman sex aid ever created: the hand.

    Come on PA. You think betas wouldn’t flock to sexbots that looked like models and porn stars?

    What we want from women that the hand can’t give us is these three things: seduction, validation, and intimacy. Jamashiki the Sexbot, like Rosie the Wanker, won’t give you those.

    You underestimate the pull of realistic feeling tits, ass, and pussy, all while something that looks like your dream supermodel screams “harder baby, harder!”

    Yes, real men and aspiring Alphas will still seek real women for seduction, validation, and intimacy. But the masses would flock to the sexbot shops.

    If you see a company release a realistic and affordable sexbot, buy their stock. Buy tons of their stock.

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  114. DA – For sub-human males like myself,

    Do you ever not tear yourself apart? With this attitude I’m surprised your own hand doesn’t turn you down.

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  115. Sex-bots are a new version of an old idea. You think that any anatolian shepard boy first got his dick wet the first time with a two-legged shanks, or a much more work-day-available everyday 4 leg geIt is a]ll pink and
    It is all pink and warm on the insider

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  116. I’m late to the party but here goes:

    I’d say to the blond, “it was nice of you to bring your brother along” while giving a quick nod in the big goofs direction.
    Maybe she’d think, “well that was sweet, should I tell him Jimbo’s not my brother…hey wait a minute, he sees a family resemblance?”

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  117. You think betas wouldn’t flock to sexbots that looked like models and porn stars?

    It would be a novelty at best. In terms of the experience, it wouldn’t approach the feeling of fucking an electrically-reanimated catatonic girl wearing fine spandex over her entire body.

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  118. Plus I’d be too nervous about putting my erect dick into a complicated, high-amperage mechanical contraption.

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  119. Plus I’d be too nervous about putting my erect dick into a complicated, high-amperage mechanical contraption.

    What about STDs/Pregnancy in real women? Assuming this rental unit has been cleaned both by owner/you.

    Speaking of that. Advantage of real woman mating. How is PA Jr doing? How many ‘ohemgee he is so cuuuute’ has he garnered? How many did he then proceed to spit up upon? How many followed up with ‘ohemgee he is so adoraable’ still?

    Overall, how is his Baby Game going?

    Is this reproduction decision recommended for men?

    Bhetti, it must be the diet. Falafels cause boobies to grow. Also, desert sand. Especially during the khamsin season, it pellets the skin, causing it to respond with excessive productions of lipid tissue in the sterno-breastal area.

    Those same young Arab women, transplanted to North America, will be pleased to see their lovelies fully form at the exquisite A-cup size, sometimes perky B-size, unlike their unhappy older sisters’ D-cups.

    Where do you get that pelleting skin thing? Never heard of that.

    Uhm, in the case studies I know — admittedly not N. America but Britain which I consider same for this purpose — this is not the case. Lipid deposits seem to be preferential to sterno-breastal area. And — to use the academic word — the booty area.

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  120. Is this reproduction decision recommended for men?

    Best thing I ever did.

    Where do you get that pelleting skin thing?

    I remember the khamsin. With hermeticaly sealed doors and windows one still found sand in every nook and cranny of the apartment. Walking outside felt like being sandbalsted.

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  121. A true synthetic replacement for a woman is, IMHO, impossible.

    That’s why I’m generally not too crazy about the idea of sex robots. I’m looking for a sex robot that can basically be a woman, but with the major exception being that she’s hypersexual and wants to have sex with a sub-human male like myself. Mind you, that doesn’t dismiss what you wrote earlier about sexbots because as there will be a market for that type of sexual experience for some men.

    If you think they are 5’s (i.e. you would be indifferent to them) then you’ve been watching way, way, way too much porn.

    Wow, normal guys must have absurdly low standards. The problem isn’t that I’m comparing them to girls in porn, but as I showed from my sample of women earlier, they pale in comparison to women that I’ve met in the real world.

    What more could you ask for?

    Retired strippers tend to be older women who still want alpha males for sexual purposes, while only using beta males for financial extraction. There is no way that I can find love with a stripper, and her IQ isn’t that high either. Plus, I suspect my mom would hate her…

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  122. I thought that Moralist’s comment was worth something too (though of course it was a different point). To paraphrase, is the guy really such a loser. Looks like an average dude, and we’re supposed to bring him down. Weird. That aspect of game is apparently eluding me, ’cause that seems to be starting trouble. If you really want trouble, carry around a head in a bag. Or put one on a pike in your front yard. Or start some shit with the police. Or insult strangers.

    Whatever, still reading.

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  123. Do you ever not tear yourself apart? With this attitude I’m surprised your own hand doesn’t turn you down.

    No, I generally do so at every possible opportunity. It makes time go by faster.

    And yes, my hand turned me down two weeks ago.

    David, it occurred to me where you can find love: among washed-up retired strippers.

    What more could you ask for?

    She may meet my sexual needs, but could I love her and would we be compatible? Or would I cheat on her and hug other women?

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  124. Good to see, Roissy, you diss the low-raters. As if those chicks are not in the 7+ range. Except maybe the Asian, she is fuckable, but only so (in other words, a 6).

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  125. Re my point on Moralist’s post, some of you are thinking: That guy is no threat, he can be dissed at will. My point is that, actually, you don’t know that. Presuming so is internet tough guy posturing.

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  126. Why is it so hard for people to understand that the neg is not supposed to be an insult? It’s supposed to leave the girl wondering if it was an insult.

    “But he didn’t *sound* like he was insulting me. I mean, if he knew it was an insult, he wouldn’t have said it. So it must be true. I’m underdressed. Why did I wear this…”

    Girls will take every opportunity to obsess over these sorts of comments. So, take advantage of that natural tendency to give yourself an edge. Such obsession causes her perception of her Dating Market Value to drop, thus bringing it nearer to yours (no need to neg if she thinks they’re equal). With some DHVs, all of a sudden you’re equals!

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  127. I remember the khamsin. With hermeticaly sealed doors and windows one still found sand in every nook and cranny of the apartment. Walking outside felt like being sandbalsted.

    Are you saying you personally observed yourself grow manboobs, PA? *

    Is this reproduction decision recommended for men?

    Best thing I ever did.

    Good times! Your position is clear.

    * 😛 I kid.

    Kids can be awesome. I get mine (well, my little sister, but I view her as more or less mine since have been there consistently for her since birth) to spoil me.

    Me: “Why’re you asking me where we’re going? Does it matter as long as it’s with me? You go where I go! Unless you don’t want to come?”
    My sister: “No, no! I want to!”
    Me: “That’s my girl.”

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  128. Just for fun (someone may enjoy this), I’ve tried the negs recently, but they have fallen into the hard-core insult category. (As it seems w/ many of the comments … are those guys at least making a play?)

    But what’s effed, is that insulting the stupid women is enjoyable.

    Here is a good one though: After you make some joke, on whatever, per your usual rapport with your intelligent friends … and the avg. IQ broad hesitates for a half-second, say, “Oh, you don’t get that, right.”

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  129. I want to comment on the attractiveness on the chicks. I think they are all attractive and pretty. At first I was drawn to the blond first (maybe cuz I’m blond). After a close look at the picture I think the beauty is the girl on the left hand side, she has beautiful bone structure and beautiful eyes.

    That said:

    I’d know much more after they opened their mouths (stop with the dirty thoughts). If any one of them was a snot then they’d lose points right off the get go. I think friendliness is a tres attractive trait. Is it with you dudes? If they were snotty would they drop in your estimation or would it matter? Curious minds want to know.

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  130. You know what else has 100,000 views? My balls. I think writing that Rudy Giuliani is uber alpha and that most politicians are alpha would get you a million views.

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  131. I think they are all attractive and pretty.

    You have awful taste in women for woman.

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  132. Wow, normal guys must have absurdly low standards. The problem isn’t that I’m comparing them to girls in porn, but as I showed from my sample of women earlier, they pale in comparison to women that I’ve met in the real world.

    I would rank the girls from your photo collection lower than the girls in the neg post. The ratehispanic girl was cute, though I wonder what she might look like with no makeup. She doesn’t impress me as a 9 or 10.

    I’m surprised at the people who like the girl on the far left the best. Something about her face strikes me as odd. I like the blond and the girl on the far right better. They’re not raving beauties, but they’re certainly not 5’s.

    And yes, my hand turned me down two weeks ago.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry…

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  133. on August 2, 2009 at 11:56 pm Willard Libby

    aoefe

    I’d know much more after they opened their mouths (stop with the dirty thoughts). If any one of them was a snot then they’d lose points right off the get go. I think friendliness is a tres attractive trait. Is it with you dudes? If they were snotty would they drop in your estimation or would it matter? Curious minds want to know.

    What do they have to be snotty about? Maybe they think highly of themselves because Washington dog catchers like roissy and his faithful minions on here think these “women” are 6s or even 8s.

    It’s a joke. The only semi cute one is the blond, none are sexually attractive. They are mediocre at best.

    I wouldn’t bother with them for a second.

    Negging women should generally be reserved for post-rapport situations. She should feel comfortable and should show interest in me and THEN I will give her the emotional footrub of a neg.

    Women like to be toyed with, negged and teased. They want to be emotionally tossed around a bit and rubbed. But they have to show that they are worth it at least a little.

    I’m not going to start off with introductory negs. That’s just plain old goofy and awkward.

    The only exception might be the indirect neg where I tease a woman by saying something to her friend about her. Then maybe the friend relays the neg or the girl overhears the remark.

    “What did you say?”

    …………and now let the games can begin.

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  134. on August 2, 2009 at 11:56 pm Willard Libby

    aoefe

    I’d know much more after they opened their mouths (stop with the dirty thoughts). If any one of them was a snot then they’d lose points right off the get go. I think friendliness is a tres attractive trait. Is it with you dudes? If they were snotty would they drop in your estimation or would it matter? Curious minds want to know.

    What do they have to be snotty about? Maybe they think highly of themselves because Washington dog catchers like roissy and his faithful minions on here think these “women” are 6s or even 8s.

    It’s a joke. The only semi cute one is the blond, none are sexually attractive. They are mediocre at best.

    I wouldn’t bother with them for a second.

    Negging women should generally be reserved for post-rapport situations. She should feel comfortable and should show interest in me and THEN I will give her the emotional footrub of a neg.

    Women like to be toyed with, negged and teased. They want to be emotionally tossed around a bit and rubbed. But they have to show that they are worth it at least a little.

    I’m not going to start off with introductory negs. That’s just plain old goofy and awkward.

    The only exception might be the indirect neg where I tease a woman by saying something to her friend about her. Then maybe the friend relays the neg or the girl overhears the remark.

    “What did you say?”

    ………….and now let the games can begin.

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  135. I’d know much more after they opened their mouths (stop with the dirty thoughts).

    Me? Dirty thoughts? Never 😉

    If any one of them was a snot then they’d lose points right off the get go. I think friendliness is a tres attractive trait. Is it with you dudes? If they were snotty would they drop in your estimation or would it matter? Curious minds want to know.

    A woman’s physical beauty is her physical beauty regardless of personality. So if you ask me to rank beauty alone the number will be the same even if the woman is a bitch.

    That said, personality certainly raises or lowers overall attractiveness. A 10 is a 10, but I don’t necessarily want to date a 10 who is a bitch. Maybe fuck her hard for one night and never speak to her again, but not date. That’s why guys talk about LTR potential as something separate from beauty. Beauty drives whether or not we want to fuck. Personality drives whether or not we want the relationship to last more than one night.

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  136. I would rank the girls from your photo collection lower than the girls in the neg post.

    The girls have a bit more sexual appeal to me, but that’s my taste. The Hispanic girl may not be a 9 or a 10, but she’s certainly better looking compared the neg post girls.

    I’m still shocked at the number inflation given to these women.

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  137. on August 3, 2009 at 1:15 am Willard Libby

    collegeboy

    dam roissy. imagine when you do publish your book. thousands of people will buy it. kinda like that SWPL author.

    heres another neg candidate; http://i32.tinypic.com/2z7l6hh.jpg

    Now these are superior to roissy’s Westminster show girls.

    “How many aspirin bottles had to die to make that?”

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  138. I think it’s critical btw to engage the guy in conversation. Less likely to be told buzz off or what have you if you’re bantering with the guy. Any one of those girls are nice, cute, and would be fun quite likely, personality permitting, to spend time with.

    Why not?

    Jeez, the girls are cute. What more do you want?

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  139. File this one under “Women Are Evil” and “Women Destroy Vulnerable Men”

    I just read a NYT article called “Suicide’s Rising Toll — After Combat, Victims of an Inner War.” It recounts the stories of four US soldiers who committed suicide after returning from service in Iraq. They were all members of the 1451st Transportation Company, part of North Carolina’s National Guard. In modern journalistic style, individuals were profiled against a backdrop of an exploration into a trend, in this case, the sharply rising number of suicides in the US armed forces.

    All four of these men’s suicides had at least one thing in common:

    Sgt. Jacob Blaylock: “…disputes with his estranged wife over their young daughter…” [also “financial troubles” — he was probably about to be legally raped by the wife and the legal system]

    Sgt. Jeffrey Wilson: “He, too, was receiving counseling, and on the day after Thanksgiving, he drove to the V.A. hospital in Asheville in a state of crisis: his wife had moved out, and he was rapidly sinking into despair.”

    First Sgt. Roger Parker: “…seemed determined to keep silent about his personal problems: his deteriorating marriage….”

    Specialist Skip Brinkley: “…shot and killed a sheriff’s deputy who responded to a 911 call from his home in rural Caldwell County, N.C. After a five-day manhunt, he was found in a remote area of his property, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.” [The following bit of information was NOT REPORTED in the NYT article — you can find it with a bit of Googling]: “The 911 call was a hang-up call reportedly made by Skip’s fiancee after a domestic dispute. I know what the dispute was rumored to be over, but it escalated to the point of becoming physical. I also know that she was so afraid that she had taken two of her three children (all kids from a previous marriage) and hidden under a bed.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/us/02suicide.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all

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  140. Someone should do a study on female-initiated divorces, with the focus being, what was happening in the man’s life when the woman decided she wanted out? I’d bet that the number of cases wherein the man was suffering some kind of reversal of fortune would be disproportionately high, and would necessarily force the conclusion that when things get tough, the women not only get out, but loot, pillage, and bloodsuck as much as they possibly can from the wreckage of their ex.

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  141. @katto:

    Would you stay with a woman that had descended into mental health issues and dispair?

    Would you stay with a woman who was incredibly insane?

    I know in these cases, it’s different, because it’s marriage. But there are some incidents in which these men return and start sleep walking at night and nearly kill their family members because they think they’re still fighting on a battle field and their family members are the enemies.

    It’s the sad truth.

    I’m not saying what these women are doing is 100% right, but I don’t think those are black and white situations, and I’m sure there’s more behind them than we think.

    Also, it’s not just the women.

    “the absence of the tight group of friends who had helped him make it through 12 months of war.”

    These are men who witness death before their eyes, who are highly stressed, who experience traumatic incidents. Unfortunately, they constitute a lot of the homeless in this nation.

    It’s not just their women, it’s their friends, their families, this country, that uses them and then tosses them to the side while they suffer wounds an average man can’t deal with.

    And this new trendy attitude of hating the war, hating Iraq, hating everything is resulting in people caring less and less about the soldiers.

    The sad truth.

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  142. By the way Roissy, as my above two posts demonstrate once again, it’s really time for you to change to a bulletin board or forum format! Why don’t you just get one of your chicks to do the work for you?

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  143. […] HT Anonymous blogger at Roissy […]

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  144. @katto:

    http://www.mediate.com/articles/Psych.cfm

    “1.Men are usually confronted with greater emotional adjustment problems than women. The reasons for this are related to the loss of intimacy, the loss of social connection, reduced finances, and the common interruption of the parental role.

    2. Men remarry more quickly than women.

    3. As compared to “deadbeat dads,” men who have shared parenting (joint legal custody), ample time with their children, and an understanding of and direct responsibility for activities and expenses of children stay involved in their children’s lives and are in greater compliance with child support obligations. There is also a greater satisfaction with child support amount when negotiated in mediation. Budgets are prepared, and responsibility divided in a way that parents understand.

    4. Men are initially more negative about divorce than women and devote more energy in attempting to salvage the marriage.”

    There aren’t many studies of the effects of divorce on men, and there should be. I found some interesting (albeit somewhat common sense) facts in this article.

    It’s sad because when people marry, they say things like “in sickness and in health” or “for rich or for poor.” Guess they don’t mean it.

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  145. Mandy, good points. Really, I confess my interpretation and the slant I put on those facts is very biased. But the fact remains that out of the rash of suicides in a given army unit, ALL of them were pushed over the edge by, among other things, troubles with wives (or fiancee).

    So let this be a warning to men: When your woman decides to abandon and destroy you, arrange to have her do it when you’re mentally and financially healthy. That way everyone’s a winner!

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  146. I haven’t those comments yet. but if a bloke ranked any those sheilas in the 0 to 4 range then they must be raving poofters.

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  147. on August 3, 2009 at 2:33 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Getting lost, amid all the rating kerfluffle here, is the fact that “pretty” and “sexy” are different things.

    The girl on the left of the picture, for instance, qualifies as “pretty” (especially if you like the semitic look), but not at all “sexy”.
    The blonde is the reverse – not as classically pretty as the left-hand brunette, but, much much sexier.

    My scale skews toward “sexy” more strongly than toward “pretty”. I know plenty of people to whom the left hand girl would be an 8. To me, not even close, at least not the way she comes across in this particular picture.

    The right-hand girl shouldn’t higher than a 6, no matter how your scale is skewed, unless this is the worst picture she’s ever taken in her life.

    Whoever said 0, 1, or 2 was clearly not being serious. I’m surprised roissy took the bait.

    And, to the people who are arguing over one-point differences, on a scale that doesn’t even have concrete definitions: Really? Seriously?

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  148. PA:

    The blond looks like she has nice c cups. What would you want to reduce them for?

    Sure they’ll sagt when she’s older. But the goal is to fuck her not marry her.

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  149. Mandy,
    If you’ll notice, there aren’t many studies involving Men or Boys, and in my view that’s not by accident; its an outgrowth of evolutionary realities: Women, having limited eggs and an indispensible womb, are simply put, more valuable than Men, who have a near unlimited supply of sperm.

    Eggs=expensive; sperm=cheap.

    So, this is why we can see a book like Promises I Can’t Keep, about poor singlemoms in Philly and New Jersey, and when the authors are asked what effects if any, of these situations are wrt the baby daddies, you get silence in return. The only book of any consequence that takes up such questions is Lionel Tiger’s The Decline of Males, and even that gave what I consider to be undue importance to Women in the book.

    This extends out to the current Iraq War-something like what, 3% of the total US population is directly involved in the military(!)? No wonder we collectively shrug our shoulders, we simply don’t see soldiers in our daily lives.

    These and other questions I have been giving a lot of thought to, as we are now moving into a time when Men as a group, are seen as less valuable. Not just by institutions at large, but also by Women. How will this effect all that we take for granted? How will this effect the long and short term realities of day to day life?

    Hmm…

    O

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  150. @Obsidian:

    Scientists are already creating artificial human sperm. I really do hope that what you suggest isn’t happening but it seems as though it is. And the thing is, powerful men are enabling to happen. I guess, perhaps, it is a subconcious action. Powerful men already have power, will always have power, and see no threat in women. However, the dozens and dozens of average men now have to fight twice as hard to get by as they get shortchanged more and more each day.

    Maybe that was a bit of an exaggeration, but maybe another reason we don’t notice it as much is due to how gradually everything is occuring. Things seem harmless, so no one speaks out, and even if they don’t seem harmless, if someone were to speak out they’d be dubbed as selfish, whiny, and paranoid. (Unless that person is a woman, most likely)

    “This extends out to the current Iraq War-something like what, 3% of the total US population is directly involved in the military(!)? No wonder we collectively shrug our shoulders, we simply don’t see soldiers in our daily lives.”

    Well, people do see some soldiers. You know, the ones on the street corners, holding up signs asking for money. A lot of those are veterans.

    There are even whole shelters devoted to veterans.

    People look on because they assume that that person got on the street through booze and drugs, and “that won’t happen to me.”

    @Epoxy:

    “The right-hand girl shouldn’t higher than a 6, no matter how your scale is skewed, unless this is the worst picture she’s ever taken in her life.”
    Well, someone could have their scale skewed towards cuteness and youth. She would win in that category over all the other girls, hands down.

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  151. heres another neg candidate; http://i32.tinypic.com/2z7l6hh.jpg

    Admittedly they are prettier than the girls in Roissy’s post.

    Walk up with a shit eating grin and say “So what do you call a brunette between two blonds?”

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  152. Mandy! XD,

    I suggest you read sci-fi from the last 100 years, read about what scientists thought the world was going to be like and compare it to what exists.

    Maybe, you will see the stupidity of your beliefs. If the system unwinds, I don’t know about what will happen to men, but there sure won’t be many women left. You do not understand what makes different types of people tick.

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  153. Mandy – I think you would be surprised at how many men would stick by wives who had mental health issues. Men are the true idealists and romantics, and it’s natural for a man to want to be a white knight and “save his love.”

    Having said that, the situation is very complex as you point out. But our country shouldn’t make it worse by enabling wives to just cut and run, taking everything they can in the process. What happened to “in sickness and in health”?

    On a related note, given the suffering that men endure in war I simply cannot understand why the U.S. hasn’t turned to nuclear weapons repeatedly since WWII. Why send young men to give up their best in Korea, Vietnam, or Iraq when a few well placed mushroom clouds would break any enemy? The U.S. government is supposed to seek the best for the U.S. people, not the best image in the eyes of the world. I’m sorry, but if American men are being sent into a war that could be won in 20 minutes with a submarine launched nuke, then something is very wrong with our government’s priorities.

    I know that sounds cold and cruel to the populations of enemy states, but a couple well chosen, remote military targets would be all that was necessary to make the point. Really, does anyone think that Saddam would have continued to refuse inspections after a few remote bases went up in radioactive smoke? No, let’s go back further. Does anyone think Saddam would have stayed in Kuwait after a few mushroom clouds in Iraq, or dared to ever do anything like invade a neighbor again?

    Why have any American servicemen died since the end of WWII? Seriously.

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  154. Obsidian,

    You do realize that BHO father was east-african, not west-african right.. Now think why I said that.

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  155. LAWYERS — have a look at the divorce-advice site Mandy linked to, above, mediate.com — what do you think?

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  156. DT,

    Because the US is more vulnerable to limited nuke attacks. Even a small series of well planned attacks with nukes could wreck the US economy and social structure in ways other societies cannot be wrecked.

    US might was never based on nukes.. it was based on having a functional productive economy, and people believing in it. That is much more easier to wreck than you can imagine.

    Nukes exist to prevent rational persons from hurting the US.. note the word “rational”

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  157. “Psychological and Emotional Aspects of Divorce”, linked above by Mandy — was written by a woman — which raises my suspicions immediately. And sure enough, the quickest glance at the article reveals the slithery snake of feminist thought:

    “Effects of Divorce on Children

    “In the last few years, higher-quality research which has allowed the “meta-analysis” of previously published research, has shown the negative effects of divorce on children have been greatly exaggerated.”

    Uh-huh.

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  158. “Psychological and Emotional Aspects of Divorce”, was written by a woman — which raises my suspicions immediately. And sure enough, the quickest glance at the article reveals the slithery snake of feminist thought. Read it for yourselves.

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  159. The single most stupid thing that most men do:

    Try to please, attract, care about, trust a woman.

    My advice:

    Look at what YOU want in life, develop perspective, avoid being sucked into being someones slave, and follow your real interests (not based on peer pressure). It is all about YOU.

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  160. Lucifer – that doesn’t make any sense. In Korea, Vietnam, and both Gulf Wars our enemies did not have nukes with which to attack us, much less any ability to deliver strikes to the U.S. Even now North Korea has no ability to deliver a nuke against our ABM system, and Iran still hasn’t put together a single warhead. Why are we fighting wars in Iraq or Afghanistan with troops? (Some may wonder why we started a second war in Iraq to begin with, and that may be a valid question but isn’t my point.)

    And I’m sorry, but if we had a history of going to our nukes first in war, any potential adversary would be more afraid to engage us, not less, even if said adversary had nukes and the ability to deliver them. Even insane people don’t want to see their entire civilization wiped from the Earth.

    So why didn’t we fight, win, and end those wars in a matter of days with a couple of our nukes? I just don’t get it. No rational person would send their own son into war if they had a button that could end the war without their son facing death. Yet as a nation we’ve done it five times now.

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  161. @Lucifer:

    “I suggest you read sci-fi from the last 100 years, read about what scientists thought the world was going to be like and compare it to what exists.

    Maybe, you will see the stupidity of your beliefs. If the system unwinds, I don’t know about what will happen to men, but there sure won’t be many women left. You do not understand what makes different types of people tick.”
    Are you talking about dystopian societies in which reproduction is controlled, as those seen in:
    A Brave New World
    1984
    The Handmaid’s Tale
    The Giver
    Anthem

    Just wondering.

    P.S. It’s called Science FICTION for a reason. (although I know they say that life imitates art)

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  162. @DT:

    I think because we’re trying to rebuild Iraq and make it a democracy.

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  163. Getting lost, amid all the rating kerfluffle here, is the fact that “pretty” and “sexy” are different things.

    And those girls are neither. They’re not ugly, but they’re duds and kinda dumpy and frumpy. I may rant about game, but it seems kinda silly to run game for those girls, and whatever respect I had for those men who keep inflating the scores of these women is slowly fading away. It’s almost as if you’ve never experienced seeing actual women, and it’s rather sad given the stories and adventures told by the men here…

    Admittedly they are prettier than the girls in Roissy’s post.

    The blond girl on the right is far prettier.

    Why send young men to give up their best in Korea, Vietnam, or Iraq when a few well placed mushroom clouds would break any enemy?

    The fear that the other side’s allies (read: USSR) would use the bomb against us or cut off oil supplies (read: Arab states).

    Even now North Korea has no ability to deliver a nuke against our ABM system

    Yes, but we don’t want to find out that Pyongyang has the ability to destroy Seoul with one weapon.

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  164. The fear that the other side’s allies (read: USSR) would use the bomb against us or cut off oil supplies (read: Arab states).

    I can see that concern in Korea or Vietnam, thought I doubt they would have ever risked global thermonuclear war over those states. They would have screamed about our use of nukes though.

    As for oil supplies, that raises a completely different pet peeve of mine. We have all the oil we need in shale deposits, and centuries worth of fossil fuels after that’s exhausted in our coal. (Coal can be processed to liquid fuels that run in existing engines.) Why in the fuck are we depending on anyone but ourselves for something as critical as energy? It will bite us in the ass hard someday.

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  165. Yes, but we don’t want to find out that Pyongyang has the ability to destroy Seoul with one weapon.

    Granted. I was making the point that we couldn’t have avoided nukes in those wars out of fear of retaliation. It’s only now that North Korea is starting to develop usable nukes and missiles.

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  166. on August 3, 2009 at 4:19 am Willard Libby

    Epoxytocin No. 87

    Whoever said 0, 1, or 2 was clearly not being serious. I’m surprised roissy took the bait.

    I said it and I’m totally serious.

    L to R – mutley is a dog, I give her a 1. She looks like a junior high school boy. She’s not willing to open up the smile for fear that her full set of dog teeth are going to gross everybody out.

    Blondie is a 4 at best, she’s nothing. Doesn’t even look like an adult woman, zero sex appeal.

    The Korean moon face looks androgynous, I don’t rank her at all therefore a zero! She’s a wide pelvic boned muffin top.

    On the right I gave a 2 but maybe the smile got me. On second viewing I give her a 1.

    The brunette over blondie’s head has some potential.

    You guys are pathetic. 3 dogs and a plain jane and you goofballs are talking 6, 7 or 8 out of 10 ratings.

    You’re out of your fucking minds.

    1, 4, 0, 1. That’s my final rating. And I’m being generous to the 4 because of all the other canines in the photo.

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  167. Why in the fuck are we depending on anyone but ourselves for something as critical as energy?

    Primarily because using native sources of fuel is somewhat difficult and expensive since it’s not easy to obtain fuel, but products that require expensive processes to convert into usable refined products or sits in environmentally questionable areas. Personally, I’d prefer to see the government not use ANWR and reserved as a last gasp reserve for military purposes, coal liquefaction, and if we choose to do off-shore oil drilling, charge high enough royalties to ensure that the revenues are split between deficit reduction and public transport construction.

    And yes, I am pro-nuclear. If it’s good enough for France, it’s good enough for us, and we can always get around the nuclear waste issue by merely reprocessing waste for reuse.

    thought I doubt they would have ever risked global thermonuclear war over those states

    The problem is that in a non-total war environment, do you want to escalate the situation with a nuclear weapon when you risk the fear that the war may expand from it’s limited state and the Russians come to the aid of their proxy state with a nuclear weapon? Are you willing to trust the judgement of the Russian military while Stalin is still in power? Even in the case of Vietnam, China had nascent nuclear programme at the time, and even Russia could have come to the aide of a fellow Communist state.

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  168. Bhetti,

    Wii tennis is good. As is boxing

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  169. Willard, try a Google search for “huge fat chick”. THIS is a zero.

    Come on man, are you telling me you would do the fat chick above before the Asian in Roissy’s photo? Or does your scale include negative numbers that we can properly rate truly hideous creatures?

    Again, those girls aren’t raving beauties, but come on, they’re cute and doable. A scale of 1-10 or 0-10 must have plenty of room at the bottom for the many women who are huge, ancient, or just plain ugly. I never thought any of them were 8’s, but I couldn’t possibly accept that they’re below 6’s except on a horribly biased and slanted scale. 0? 1? You really think they’re the bottom of the heap and not worth any sex?

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  170. Mandy,

    Dystopian societies are still societies. Get it?

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  171. Primarily because using native sources of fuel is somewhat difficult and expensive since it’s not easy to obtain fuel, but products that require expensive processes to convert into usable refined products or sits in environmentally questionable areas.

    Shale oil is profitable at $35 per barrel. We’ve been paying more than that for how long? The real reason is that environmentalists have a stranglehold on our government, so we won’t dare drill or mine on our own land.

    Personally, I’d prefer to see the government not use ANWR and reserved as a last gasp reserve for military purposes, coal liquefaction, and if we choose to do off-shore oil drilling, charge high enough royalties to ensure that the revenues are split between deficit reduction and public transport construction.

    ANWR is a wasteland and we should have been drilling it 30 years ago. We don’t need to hold back our coal for a military reserve. We have centuries worth. If our military is still dependent on fossil fuels in 100 years we will deserve to be taken over. That’s really what we need to concern ourselves with, about the next 75-100 years. We have to wait for viable alternatives longer than environmentalists would like, but not so long that we’re actually at risk of running out of fossil fuels. (Contrary to popular belief.)

    100 years from now we will most likely have fusion power, and we will also most likely know how to take CO2 straight from the air and literally ‘refine’ it into liquid carbon based fuels for combustion engines of all kinds. (We already know this is feasible and multiple government and private labs are researching it. The big problem is that it’s very energy intensive, i.e. you would really need nuclear power to make it work on a large scale.) And we won’t even be using as many combustion engines by then because at some point someone will perfect a battery that can replace a gas tank. Just not in a time frame that would make Sierra Club happy.

    Public transport will never work for most of America. We’re just too damn big.

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  172. ATC

    1996 called on a big honkin’ carphone! It wants its irrelevant “hit-count” stats back.

    Blarg!

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  173. Wexler “…broad hesitates for a half-second, say, “Oh, you don’t get that, right.”

    Pure evil. I love it.

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  174. DT

    I’m surprised at the people who like the girl on the far left the best. Something about her face strikes me as odd. I like the blond and the girl on the far right better.

    Me 2. I found the one on the left to be too horse-faced and large for my tastes. I would have no mojo inspire conversation with her. The pixie on the far right pushes my buttons. Round face, very girlish. Tittie girls is nice. I’d bump bellies with Asian, of course.

    But the one on the left – a good example of why I don’t find most western women attractive. Not girlish enough.

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  175. ””””””””””Mandy! XD
    @katto:

    Would you stay with a woman that had descended into mental health issues and dispair?

    Would you stay with a woman who was incredibly insane?

    I know in these cases, it’s different, because it’s marriage. But there are some incidents in which these men return and start sleep walking at night and nearly kill their family members because they think they’re still fighting on a battle field and their family members are the enemies.

    It’s the sad truth.

    I’m not saying what these women are doing is 100% right, but I don’t think those are black and white situations, and I’m sure there’s more behind them than we think.

    Also, it’s not just the women.

    “the absence of the tight group of friends who had helped him make it through 12 months of war.”

    These are men who witness death before their eyes, who are highly stressed, who experience traumatic incidents. Unfortunately, they constitute a lot of the homeless in this nation.

    It’s not just their women, it’s their friends, their families, this country, that uses them and then tosses them to the side while they suffer wounds an average man can’t deal with.

    And this new trendy attitude of hating the war, hating Iraq, hating everything is resulting in people caring less and less about the soldiers.

    The sad truth.””””””””””

    Where I am now is where the metal meets the meet. The soldiers will be ok they did some man shit. Whatever happens after that no biggie. It is just that after doing man shit other shit pales in realism. The joke part of life. For one pure experience of war is worth a lifetime of bullshit. Now on the divorce front would be to take away incentive for bitches to be able to fuck with soldiers. If a woman wants to leave let her leave. Don’t allow her to use the gov to punish a soldier for being deployed to a warzone. This is the crux of the problem of course it ain’t just soldiers getting fucked up by divorce but they are the ones who are also putting there lives on the line and at the same time experience things that in fact will make other shit pale. Once you go to real combat yea should just get a payment for life from your country period.

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  176. ””””katto
    Mandy, good points. Really, I confess my interpretation and the slant I put on those facts is very biased. But the fact remains that out of the rash of suicides in a given army unit, ALL of them were pushed over the edge by, among other things, troubles with wives (or fiancee).

    So let this be a warning to men: When your woman decides to abandon and destroy you, arrange to have her do it when you’re mentally and financially healthy. That way everyone’s a winner!”””””””””’

    Yea when ya try to kick em out when your in good shape they cling like serran wrap.

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  177. ”””””Well, people do see some soldiers. You know, the ones on the street corners, holding up signs asking for money. A lot of those are veterans.

    There are even whole shelters devoted to veterans.

    People look on because they assume that that person got on the street through booze and drugs, and “that won’t happen to me.”
    ”””””””””””””””””””””

    Please don’t try to turn veterans into some sort of supposed to feel bad for group. They are an owed group. Not to feel bad for but because they are fucking owed a debt. They are not owed a handout. Big difference. Save the bleeding heart and go have sex with one when you turn 18.

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  178. ””””””’DT,
    U.S. Even now North Korea has no ability to deliver a nuke against our ABM system””””””””’

    North Korea shot multiple missiles over Japan. Japan was sold an abm system along with the capability of manufacturing the missiles 4 years ago for around 6 billion, Yet North Korea keeps splashing em over Japan. Unless we sold them junk or they don’t want to practice with it.

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  179. 1. it should be legal to kill women who abandon men suffering after war–its bad enough our soldiers have to worry their wives might cheat on them all the time.

    2. in honor of the nuking convo anyone who never read it before might have a laugh at:

    http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

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  180. on August 3, 2009 at 8:37 am snatch magnet

    Roissy, Your advice to Lurker to reword is terrible.

    “It’s so cool to meet girls who are confident enough to go out without getting overdressed.”

    That’s not a neg, its a friggen beta asskissing compliment.

    Why didn’t you just offer to buy three of the four drinks? That would have been really edgey.

    You asked for negs without creating context whatsoever outside of ‘they ask you to take a picture’

    For all we know the dude in the back might just be ‘that guy’ and not even part of the group.

    Too many assumptions to be made here to really get a good feel for how to open.

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  181. ”””””’dana
    1. it should be legal to kill women who abandon men suffering after war–its bad enough our soldiers have to worry their wives might cheat on them all the time.””””””””

    It would be ok if the woman abandoned the men that is just life shit happens.

    It is good that there is war.
    It is good that there is a test.
    It is good that there are woman who can stick by there men
    by making a choice to do so.

    What fucks it up is when the men are betrayed go home and look at a house that is empty. Then they have to pay child support alimony and the woman gets half their retirement as a reward for abandoning them. This is artificial life. This is the travesty.

    The good side is those couples that choose to remain together that choose to support one another that choose to love that choose to have each others backs through whatever happens because what better thing could you do in life?

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  182. on August 3, 2009 at 9:09 am snatch magnet

    “Actually, just cutting the girl out of the photo is enough of a neg right there. I’d hand it back and “Oh, how about that. You got cut out.”

    Again Roissy, This is just plain dumb.
    All you did here was point out the fact that you can’t take a decent picture. Dude, I think you’re rusty.

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  183. This from Gunny was very interesting:

    It is just that after doing man shit other shit pales in realism. The joke part of life. For one pure experience of war is worth a lifetime of bullshit.

    I wrote a few paragraphs of commentary just now, but I prefer to just let that thought hang uncommented.

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  184. You need to create a standard and then adhere to it.
    Scale of 1 to 10. All of it depends on what you give a 5 and a 10.
    For me a 5 is completely average- but even this is subjective.
    A 10 is the hot actress /model of the year. A 10 is also unattainable for 99.9% of the male population.

    It is all subjective:
    If you work in the fashion industry you are surrounded by above average beauty. An average looking girl in Colorado may not be as attractive as an average looking girl in Manhattan.

    Colorado has a horrible female to male ratio- unattractive females can pull quality men.
    Chicago and Manhattan have favorable ratios for men.

    I love the Chicago mid west look maybe even more than the Manhattan look.
    My friends and I have calibrated our rating scale- we all use it without too much of a hiccup.

    If a 5 is average- then anyone that scores above is better looking than average.
    Better than average is pretty good.

    But these girls are in no way, shape, or form 8’s.

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  185. *“Actually, just cutting the girl out of the photo is enough of a neg right there. I’d hand it back and “Oh, how about that. You got cut out.”
    “Again Roissy, This is just plain dumb.
    All you did here was point out the fact that you can’t take a decent picture.”*

    …I agree. If a grown man can’t take a simple posed snapshot with a dumbed-down point-and-shoot camera, it’s a broadcast to the girls that he’s neither artistically nor mechanically inclined. These are two of the qualities that women should take for granted from men in the modern Western world.

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  186. The blond looks like she has nice c cups. What would you want to reduce them for? // Sure they’ll sagt when she’s older. But the goal is to fuck her not marry her

    Even for just one-night’s frolic at the peak of her youthful freshness, I still would like her better with A-cups. I just don’t like big ‘uns. Never did.

    I like little perky ones in adult women. They are just so much more attractive, ertoic and responsive to the touch. What’s also really nice is that women with small ones are shy about them, which makes it even hotter when they let me see them to me for the first time.

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  187. Look at this pic- here is where it will all be settled!
    There are 7’s in there- in fact there are some high sevens 7.7, 7.8, 7.9, maybe there is one 8 in this pic.

    There are zero nines in this picture.

    if you click on the pic you can zoom in.

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  188. I had forgotten about nuke the moon.

    Not a bad foreign policy IMHO 😉

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  189. troll trolled:
    They’re not ugly, but they’re duds and kinda dumpy and frumpy. I may rant about game, but it seems kinda silly to run game for those girls, and whatever respect I had for those men who keep inflating the scores of these women is slowly fading away.

    david alexander’s taste in women is widely known to fall well outside the norm. in an unguarded monent way back during the inception of this blog he posted links to his favorite porn stars — let’s just say you’d never guess there were so many lantern-jawed trannies available to fill such a small niche market. therefore, no one should take his opinion on women’s looks seriously. he discredited himself.

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  190. Outrageously unrealistically high standards are a defense mechanism for those who get no poon. They use them as an excuse.

    “I don’t get laid because no one meets my standards.”

    “I won’t approach because she’s only a 2.”

    And so on and so on.

    Such guys talk a lot of smack but typically get oneitis for the first 3 that gives them some poon.

    [editor: bingo.]

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  191. @roissy

    I’d be curious to dig up that old post; DA’s taste in “women” is an exercise in amusement.

    [editor: i’ll try to dig it up. it was a sordid glimpse into DA’s taste in women. he seems to go for women who look like trashy men. the armchair psychologists can make of that what they will.]

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  192. Mandy–

    Would you stay with a woman who was incredibly insane?

    I know in these cases, it’s different, because it’s marriage. But there are some incidents in which these men return and start sleep walking at night and nearly kill their family members because they think they’re still fighting on a battle field and their family members are the enemies.

    It’s the sad truth.

    I’m not saying what these women are doing is 100% right, but I don’t think those are black and white situations, and I’m sure there’s more behind them than we think.

    I find you defending these women, en masse, on the basis of the info katto gave to be despicable.

    What’s the evidence that in these cases the men were as you put it:

    Would you stay with a woman who was incredibly insane?

    Are the likely affected by the war experience, for bad as well as for good, manning him up most likely? Yes. She married a soldier. Is he likely to have some readjustment issues? Yes. Is it her obligation to help him through them? You’re damn right it is Mandy. His sacrifice for his country was so much greater than hers. She can’t even stick with him and help him while he readjusts? Some worthless American women are current feminist one way entitlement culture is turning out.

    @katto: Would you stay with a woman that had descended into mental health issues and dispair?

    Nearly all men would Mandy. Yes. Especially if they had children. For a very long time until it was truly hopeless to emerge decently if not ideally functioning. That’s your answer Mandy. But not American women these days. Oh no.

    If a man did leave his wife because of “mental health issues and dispair” he’s be treated with wide scorn and disdain by men women alike, at least until he’d tried for years. Even more so if it was caused by some traumatic events that had occurred on her time of military service. Or other especially female traumatizing events like being raped.

    I’ll tell you what’s most likely. That the these women had been cheating while their men were serving. Cheating while getting a lot of his military paycheck sent to her and other benefits (such as health care, base discount stores, maybe housing, etc.). All while he can’t know and can’t interfere. Then he comes home and she’s now loyal to her affair and “done with her former love” and moves out or tells him or he finds out, they argue, and she serves him divorce papers.

    Well those women should get zero. I mean absolutely zero. Including any mandatory child support. Even if they didn’t cheat but leave him within a year or two of returning from active duty. And no his slapping her doesn’t make her leaving him acceptable either. (Not that I’m encouraging that.)

    Despicable.

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  193. katto–

    Mandy, good points. Really, I confess my interpretation and the slant I put on those facts is very biased. But the fact remains that out of the rash of suicides in a given army unit, ALL of them were p

    I didn’t think she made good points on your post whatsoever, but instead truly lousy ones.

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  194. Katto

    “In the last few years, higher-quality research which has allowed the “meta-analysis” of previously published research, has shown the negative effects of divorce on children have been greatly exaggerated.”

    Uh-huh.

    That is the standard feminist line and it’s BS.

    Many feminists are notorious for lying left and right.

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  195. Could be wrong, but I think Willard Libby is calibrating his scale only to women he would consider for sex. Meaning, he wouldn’t do his 0, he would barely do his 1, and he would do his 4 but wouldn’t get excited about it. The overweight, ugly and old (true 0-3) women that make up the global majority don’t even get a place on the scale.

    DA I just don’t get. The women he showed as 6’s and “better looking” than the ones in Roissy’s picture were plain and chubby. Perfect example why the scale doesn’t work with fetishists. If you like fat girls, an 800-lb woman who can’t leave her house is a 10 to you.

    I would call the woman on the right a low 8 – clear skin, nice bone structure, fresh pretty look. She actually could be model material if she lost a bit of weight. The blonde is a 7 – there’s something slightly masculine about her face that I can’t put my finger on, but she’s cute and has a nice body. The other two are 6s. They’re pleasant enough to look at, but not outstanding in any way. Again, YMMV. If you like Slavic noses and stringy hair, the girl on the right is a 9.

    In my experience with Asian girlfriends, they will get VERY offended (and not in a cute “I wanna do him” way) if you roll up making comments about “Asian chicks”. There’s a big difference between Koreans, Chinese, Japanese etc. along with historic animosity and they HATE being lumped together. I’d keep the negs to looks and behavior and leave the racial stuff out of it.

    Congrats on your success, Roissy! Hope the book goes well, I would definitely pick up a copy.

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  196. In my experience with Asian girlfriends, they will get VERY offended (and not in a cute “I wanna do him” way) if you roll up making comments about “Asian chicks”. There’s a big difference between Koreans, Chinese, Japanese etc. along with historic animosity and they HATE being lumped together. I’d keep the negs to looks and behavior and leave the racial stuff out of it.

    Now that you mention it…I had some close Japanese friends in college and they hated being lumped together with other races we casually consider “Asian”.

    It might be a good idea in general to keep negs to looks and behavior and away from race.

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  197. @doug1:

    “I’ll tell you what’s most likely. That the these women had been cheating while their men were serving. Cheating while getting a lot of his military paycheck sent to her and other benefits (such as health care, base discount stores, maybe housing, etc.). All while he can’t know and can’t interfere. Then he comes home and she’s now loyal to her affair and “done with her former love” and moves out or tells him or he finds out, they argue, and she serves him divorce papers.”

    This is speculation. I’m not saying you’re wrong, maybe this is true in some cases. But the point I was trying to make is that the article cannot be used as 100% proof of anything. We don’t know the full background behind anything besides “he was having issues with his girlfriend” or “his wife wanted a divorce.”

    The other point I was trying to make is that it’s not women, but it’s society as a whole. And quite possibly our current feminist society saying that these things are okay.

    And you can’t make the assumption that all men will stay with their wives/girlfriends through sickness because not all men are the same. I’ve personally seen cases where they do, and I’ve seen some where they don’t (one ended in her committing suicide, which was tragic and a bit emotionally disturbing). Although I think the harsh divorce laws on men probably discourage them from seeking divorces.

    I’m searching for statistics, but nothing’s coming up.

    Anyhow, what katto said with the girlfriend/wive issues being the tipping point is probably the more accurate statement. I don’t think these women have a full understanding of their effect on these incredibly vulnerable men.

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  198. -roissy spake:
    The 100,000th comment was left by Firepower, responding to Gunslinger, in my ‘What Is A Natural?’ post:

    Gunslingergregi

    Whiskey bro you need to start carrying around a severed head

    dewd – quit stealing
    all my moves

    Yes, I know. Don’t all gasp with astonishment at the profundity of comment #100,000. It is auspicious in ways your feeble beta brains cannot begin to comprehend.

    =============

    Joe queefed:

    I’m too lazy to go back and check through what I’m sure is 1000 comments by now, but who was the guy with the outrageously low ratings? Libby? Firepower?

    We’ve already gathered you’re too lazy for a lot of things, so we’ll add comprehension to the list, but it is cute how you follow my every word; I’m deeply flattered.

    Still, you display some degree of potential so I’ll cut you some slack. You may sweetly yearn for Firepower’s impossible failure, so your “calculated cool” declaration of not checking facts could work – but for a troublesome, actual fact: There is no patented Firepower neg presented in said neg test thread to garner outrageously low ratings. A tip: Your recent game try outs (and “amog” attempts like this) comes across “tryhard” – to use that pua-forum lingo you speak. I know, I know – you will misconstrue my solid, factual refutation of your errors as “qualifying,” but lawyers are paid great sums to do it publicly when it elegantly, simultaneously, raises their status by making the opponent look like a toolbag.

    See, “auspicious” is a good thing. A compliment from our munificent host. I don’t want that sullied by any brain – much less a feeble beta one.

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  199. Game in BK – Look at this pic- here is where it will all be settled!
    There are 7’s in there- in fact there are some high sevens 7.7, 7.8, 7.9, maybe there is one 8 in this pic.

    There are zero nines in this picture.

    http://www.shellbacktavern.com/redbulls2.jpg

    I don’t know…I would need to see additional photos to verify, but I think I see a couple 9’s in there, or at least 8+.

    I’m dying to see the DA post where he mentions his favorite porn stars. I hope Roissy can dig it up, or that DA provides the list again.

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  200. DT,

    Because the USSR extended its nuclear umbrella de facto to such marginal countries as North Korea and Vietnam, and tried to do so to Cuba, as well as the “core” countries of Eastern Europe which were the basis of its own conventional defense. You can read the debates about French use of an American nuke @ Dien Bien Phu to see how that played out, mainly it was too much for too little advantage given that it might encourage the same behavior by the USSR at roughly the same time. (Example: Egypt delivers USSR nuke on Israel during Suez Crisis.) Proxy wars with understood “rules of engagement” became the norm.

    Small-country nukes like Israel’s are the most interesting, but it seems that even godawful Iran is going to be forced into the logic of MAD at some point.

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  201. Firepower – OK, fine.

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  202. i can like you again now, joe

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  203. Mandy–

    And you can’t make the assumption that all men will stay with their wives/girlfriends through sickness because not all men are the same

    I didn’t say all Mandy. I said nearly all would see a wife through mental health problems for quite a while, particularly if they have kids. I think that’s true. That’s what I see around me, whereas I see women leaving marriages for any which reason. Then often probably lying about it. I know there’s social pressure on men to do that, whereas there’s ridicule when when do from feminists. I.e. in the form of “stand by your man” is only for country and western hick women who haven’t gottent memo (thank god).

    As for it being speculation that the wife’s infidelity and maybe unwillingness to stop when she finally had to make a decision in those particular cases, yes of course. However it seems that the rate of military wife cheating when their men are deployed is now very high in good values American feminist society.

    As for it being the whole society. Not really. It mostly is the women. Feminism has seen to that.

    This notion that everything must be or almost certainly is fifty fifty responsibility or close or at least heavily shared whenever women might tend to be blamed more by anyone or by a common sense reading of the facts is totally bogus. The same doesn’t apply in out current American culture whenever men are thought to be more to blame for something. Not at all. The reflex and default then is to assume that’s probably right.

    You’re doing some of that here.

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  204. Without Pupu, the number of views could not have been so close to half a million 🙂

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  205. @doug1:

    “I didn’t say all Mandy. I said nearly all would see a wife through mental health problems for quite a while, particularly if they have kids. I think that’s true. That’s what I see around me, whereas I see women leaving marriages for any which reason. Then often probably lying about it.”
    I stop to think of all the personal anecdotes I could, and you’re right. But I’d still like to have statistics to back it. Unfortunately, as we’ve discovered, most studies aren’t done concerning these fields because, well…they’re not seen as important for a number of reasons.

    As for wives cheating on their men while they’re fighting, they deserve to be shot. They want to divorce their husband because they had an affair while he was away, serving our country? Ok, get the divorce. We’re throwing you on the street. No money, no nothing. That’ll teach them.

    I’m not blaming the men. I’m just saying that for even the average woman, it is difficult, and she may not react properly when her pillar comes back and is scarred in ways she can’t fix. Although that probably is too romantic of me. ._.’

    If that really is a problem though, there should be some sort of counselling to take care of it.

    “As for it being the whole society. Not really. It mostly is the women. Feminism has seen to that.”
    I’m speaking of how society condones this type of behavior in women.

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  206. See Game in BK, I would categorize the girls in your photo as 8s and 9s – they definitely would be in New Orleans. I can see how the standards are higher in NYC though with all the models and movie stars walking around. And they’d probably be 10s in somewhere like West Virginia.

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  207. LR

    you overestimate how much men care for the company of women when they aren’t trying to fuck them if you don’t see how devastating this development could be to real live women, especially more average looking ones.

    what use will the majority of men have for women if they are able to obtain substitutes for them that are at least satisfactory enough for them to stop even being nice to women?

    why will the majority of men work hard enough to succeed beyond basic subsistence and fun? just because?

    why will they continue to contribute to a government that redistributes their wealth to women at all?

    even if a man has a sexbot and still wants women, why will he bend an inch to get one when his balls are constantly drained by his realistic jessica alba bot that demands nothing and always approves of him?

    you think asshole game is bad now, just wait

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  208. Pupu boasted:

    Without Pupu, the number of views could not have been so close to half a million

    think what you can do with a full-frontal av

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  209. Gunslingergregi–

    What fucks it up is when the men [who are serving in the military in a war zone] are betrayed go home and look at a house that is empty. Then they have to pay child support alimony and the woman gets half their retirement as a reward for abandoning them. This is artificial life. This is the travesty.

    I couldn’t agree more. Those women should get zero nada nothing. No state demanded child support=alimony either. Nothing.

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  210. FP,

    What is “av”?

    p.s. that picture you link to is very ugly even though it is a vague of reminiscent of “pupu in love.”

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  211. What fucks it up is when the men [who are serving in the military in a war zone] are betrayed go home and look at a house that is empty.

    Twenty-two years of mental tears
    Cries a suicidal Vietnam vet
    Who fought a losing war on a foreign shore
    To find his country didn’t want him back

    Their bullets took his best friend in Saigon
    Our lawyers took his wife, his kids, no regrets

    – Poison, “Something to Believe In.

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  212. -DT-

    Your scale is off- and here is the reason why.
    I don’t know who you find most attractive- but, be it Megan Fox, Scarlett Johansson, Keira Knightley, Natalie Portman- one of those has to be a 10 for you.
    If those are tens- how could you possible find someone in the NEG picture (post) a nine!? Or even an eight?

    Unless we are going to rate women like Knightley or Johansson an 11- an eight rating is extremely rare!

    There is average beauty and then there is beauty that is above average. Most beautiful women that we encounter on a daily basis are just above average- but this makes them special- because they are better looking than most of the people we see on a daily basis.

    Once you get into the 8’s that is a rarified class- statically you won’t see many of those at the local bar or in the local starbucks.
    There is nothing wrong with going after a woman that is better than average looking, but people here are inflating their ratings.

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  213. @pupu- “av” = avatar. FP is remidning you of the request of your Lord and Master to post a pic of yourself. One that would be viewed and appreciated by 100,000 more commenters on the site, and that Pupu herself could follow with her patented comment-tracker skills

    and i *don’t* believe that Pupu in love is reminiscent of a valentine’s box of shit. Pupu is much too beguiling to have such a black heart.

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  214. Mandy—

    As for wives cheating on their men while they’re fighting, they deserve to be shot. They want to divorce their husband because they had an affair while he was away, serving our country? Ok, get the divorce. We’re throwing you on the street. No money, no nothing. That’ll teach them.

    Ah, that’s the Mandy I thought I knew. Good for you.

    Unfortunately, as we’ve discovered, most studies aren’t done concerning these fields because, well…they’re not seen as important for a number of reasons.

    The vast majority of social science research these days and for some time now is done within at least a mildly pro feminist mindset. Studies undertaken to show (or not) how much worse women are than men these days in particular ways are considered automatically misogynist by not only feminists but by nearly all the PC (who haven’t discovered this blog yet), which is the vast majority at universities. Studies undertaken to show (or not) how much worse men are than women these days in particular ways are considered automatically progressive and good science.

    That’s before we get to feminist lying or misrepresenting which also occurs. Including the famous nugget that came out just before the early 1990s feminist lobbied divorce “reforms” showing that women did dramatically less well than men after divorce (under the old laws) even in these feminist job days. This study was held up as definitive and was VERY influential in the passage of those men raping divorce laws. Well the numbers were dramatically fudged. When it was discovered a decade or so later she claimed it was a “technical error and misreading of her data. Meanwhile the law had been passed. There are many examples.

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  215. Pupu

    FP,

    What is “av”?

    p.s. that picture you link to is very ugly even though it is a vague of reminiscent of “pupu in love.”

    dichotomy: i’m glad you like it

    i could tell youwhat ‘av’ is, but the filters keep taking out all the good words

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  216. maurice

    @pupu-i *don’t* believe that Pupu in love is reminiscent of a valentine’s box of shit. Pupu is much too beguiling to have such a black heart.

    you dont know her like i do

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  217. Doug,
    I agree w/your views on sociology, and have been giving a great deal of thought to this. The great thing about it though, is as new information comes to light, it can be presented.

    O

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  218. Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’dana –1. it should be legal to kill women who abandon men suffering after war–its bad enough our soldiers have to worry their wives might cheat on them all the time.””””””””

    It would be ok if the woman abandoned the men that is just life shit happens.

    Dana’s obviously speaking hyperbolically as I’m sure she’d say herself.

    But not Gunny, I don’t think it’s ok and in the category of “stuff happens” in a military wife cheats while her husband is on deployment to a war zone, or if she leaves him soon after he comes back because he’s been toughed up for good and bad by his experiences. Particularly if they have kids.

    It’s just deeply wrong at the most basic levels of betrayal of men crucial to this country’s freedoms and affluence when at their most vulnerable and highest point of sacrifice. It is deeply shameful and such women should be reviled. Spat upon even. Shoved. Water dumped all over them. And worse. I feel like shaving their heads.

    Great way to have a nation have fewer and fewer military volunteers. Bad for survival. Thoroughly dysfunctional to treat that “liberally” as just “live and left live.”

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  219. DT

    Eurosabre has it exactly right on the nukes issue. He’s not speaking through his hat. That’s how it went down.

    As well we were trying to prevent nuclear proliferation for what are I hope obvious reasons, and our using one post the nuclear stalemate with the USSR would have caused a mad rush to do everything possible to build them by many many additional countries.

    Finally, it would have caused a HUGE hit to our international prestige / soft power. We’d be called and many would believe us to be “worse than Hitler and way more frightening”.

    There’s a vast amount written about this. The problem is most of it’s dreck.

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  220. LR,

    i am asking you this with genuine interest and concern, as an older woman who has been where you are now. do you genuinely believe you will stay as attractive to men as you are now? and for the record, i *do* believe you are attractive right now and are probably sassy and fun for the men you keep company with.

    i have no vested or moral interest in knocking you down or “teaching you a lesson.” like many want to here. but i know what is inevitably going to happen to you and every single woman as she grows older–are you genuinely prepared for when the young men stop looking at you when you go to Lowe’s or the supermarket? no matter how well you keep yourself it’s going to happen. where will you be in your life then? have you thought about that? when you are 50, 60, 70 where do you see yourself? do you hope your son’s wife or gf takes care of you? friends? do you believe at the age of 40 you will inspire the kind of love in a man you could inspire in one still now that will make him stick by you to the end?

    my parents have been married for 40 years now–they went through their problems in the middle, but both report independently how grateful they are to still have each other to take care of each other as they age, and no matter what my father did, and he did plenty, he felt so much loyalty towards the wife he fell in love with when she was 21 he would NEVER leave her–and she’s a handful

    how do you view your future?

    again, i want to reiterate this is typed sincerely and without snark. one of the reasons these issues upset me so much is i fear for the future of generations of women–not only because i care so much about injustices being done to men.

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  221. david alexander, the first “6” you posted a link to has a nice body, but the face of a velociraptor. The second one is fat and also more plain looking than any of the 4 girls in the OP.

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  222. On the nuke issue, I get it. I’m forgetting how delicate things were with the USSR.

    It still bothers me that such a tremendous weapon is left idle while soldiers die. I know I’m in the minority, most people would be horrified to see us use one again. But I’m horrified that we keep getting into shit wars with minor powers where men come home missing limbs or in body bags. Even sticking to conventional weapons, I don’t feel like we fight wars with enough brutal firepower to simply and rapidly shatter enemy will, keeping more troops alive and getting them home sooner.

    Gulf War I and Gulf War II (pre occupation) are closest to what I envision, a strategy of “our troops matter, yours don’t, and we are going to blow the shit out of everything from the air until you realize how stupid this is and quit your shit.” Especially Gulf War I.

    Korea and Vietnam leave me speechless, and not in a good way.

    Oh well, it’s off topic any way…

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  223. on August 3, 2009 at 4:46 pm Seeking Alpha

    If anyone caught the latest episode of Entourage… I don’t know if I’m just noticing it more now that we’ve been discussing it or if it’s getting worse, but the pro-feminist, beta behavior of the male characters was worse than ever.

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  224. LR doesn’t realize that a market only has to shift by a few percentage points to dramatically change one’s negotiating power. She thinks that sexbots will suppress male sexual attention a bit and make women happy because they won’t be constantly “bothered” by male sexual attention.

    What she doesn’t realize is that this will increase the competition for the males looking for the real thing because there will be fewer such males at any given time. Even men who want the real thing, even Alphas if the sexbots are pleasurable enough, will see their desire drop at least some and therefore will spend less time pursuing the real thing. Female sexual desire may be less than male desire, but it’s not absent. Women will notice the drop, and competition among women will increase. Over the long run it will reduce the negotiating power for the women in that competition. Fewer and fewer LTRs and marriage proposals, more and more pump and dumps.

    Put another way, you think aloof asshole game is bad now, wait until even AFC’s have the edge taken off their sex drive.

    Throw in male birth control and the subsequent inability of women to get pregnant at will (the female drive to have a child is huge) and you will have a bit of a panic among women.

    You will also have many more women hitting the wall single and childless, desperate for attention.

    Think I’m wrong? Compare U.S. female behavior in the roaring 20’s to U.S. female behavior post WWII. In the 1920’s women were postponing marriage and living it up. In the 1950’s they were desperate to snag a man and settle down. The difference? The numbers of men relative to women because of the war.

    Whether it’s due to war or sexbots, reducing the number of men actively seeking mates will alter female power and behavior in the dating marketplace, whether viewed in the short term (night out) or long term. A sexbot doesn’t even have to remove a man from the dating pool, only reduce the time he spends actively pursuing women and/or alter his confidence and desire by taking that edge off.

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  225. [editor: didn’t you say your ex wanted nothing to do with the raising of his kid, and you didn’t want him around the kid? or is this just another one of your many lies?]

    I’ve lost count of the obvious lies she has posted to this board. At this point her handle should just be changed to Lady Bullshit.

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  226. Oh yeah: it will be entertaining for those men who get to see LR hit the wall which, judging from her photos, should be real soon now.

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  227. Let me reword one sentence to make it more clear: What she doesn’t realize is that this will increase the competition among women for those men who are looking for the real thing, because there will be fewer such men at any given time.

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  228. ”””””””””””’DT
    On the nuke issue, I get it. I’m forgetting how delicate things were with the USSR.

    It still bothers me that such a tremendous weapon is left idle while soldiers die. I know I’m in the minority, most people would be horrified to see us use one again. But I’m horrified that we keep getting into shit wars with minor powers where men come home missing limbs or in body bags. Even sticking to conventional weapons, I don’t feel like we fight wars with enough brutal firepower to simply and rapidly shatter enemy will, keeping more troops alive and getting them home sooner.

    Gulf War I and Gulf War II (pre occupation) are closest to what I envision, a strategy of “our troops matter, yours don’t, and we are going to blow the shit out of everything from the air until you realize how stupid this is and quit your shit.” Especially Gulf War I.

    Korea and Vietnam leave me speechless, and not in a good way.

    Oh well, it’s off topic any way…
    ”””””””””””””’

    I got a first response when I sent up a plan to keep roads safe and soldiers from getting blown up. After fixing all the things they said where problems. I did not recieve a second response. It is supposed to be that way for now. The world is not ready for perfect war.

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  229. [editor: didn’t you say your ex wanted nothing to do with the raising of his kid, and you didn’t want him around the kid? or is this just another one of your many lies?]

    I think “the ex” is the o m e g a loser that hangs around and cooks and cleans for her. The “father of my child <3" is the one that helped her spawn her little bastard.

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  230. he seems to go for women who look like trashy men

    I like women who have a sexual look to them. You like women who look prudish and boring. But that’s okay if you like the bitchy DC women that you complain about…

    The women he showed as 6’s and “better looking” than the ones in Roissy’s picture were plain and chubby.

    They’re pretty and normal weight for me…

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  231. didn’t you say your ex wanted nothing to do with the raising of his kid, and you didn’t want him around the kid? or is this just another one of your many lies

    I may want to take my nephew and niece to the playground or to Toys R’Us, but that doesn’t mean that I want the responsibility of these kids on a day to day basis.

    Unfortunately, I’m stuck with my ex today, though.

    This is where one’s true colours shine through. I’d wonder what your ex would think if he saw you write about him as if he was some type of burden given that he helps you out with no demands on his part.

    Unless, you provide him sex, and you neglect to inform us of the transaction…

    and none of these beta fucktoys will ever love you or even stick around long enough to buy you a thank you drink

    I’d suspect that she doesn’t care, and as long as she gets her orgasm and the guy leaves instead of burdening her with “useless” emotions, I think she’s happy.

    if you don’t see how devastating this development could be to real live women, especially more average looking ones

    But that means beta males are freed from having to take care of women they never really found attractive in exchange for subpar sex, and women are free to take care of themselves without a burdensome husband. It’s a win-win situation for everybody.

    what use will the majority of men have for women if they are able to obtain substitutes for them that are at least satisfactory enough for them to stop even being nice to women?

    As Obsidian noted earlier, it depends if men become emotionally attached to their sex robots, and the ability of these robots to mimic female emotional responses. If men love their robots like real women, and the robots can mimic females, then you may end up with a situation where women are abandoned en masse by men for their superior counterparts.

    In other words, can the sexbots replace my right hand for sexual satisfaction and can it replace real women for a source of warm hugs?

    why will the majority of men work hard enough to succeed beyond basic subsistence and fun? just because?

    There’s always status in being a “somebody” with a good high paying job, and quite frankly having an interesting life is just not cheap…

    just day to day indiginities to Women going up, amon Men accross the board

    Fun Question: Women give me dirty looks, call me beta and note my lack of charisma. So why have I avoided becoming some bitter misogynist?

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  232. Fun Question: Women give me dirty looks, call me beta and note my lack of charisma. So why have I avoided becoming some bitter misogynist?

    Because you are a decent human being. If all black people were like you there would be no racism and your moving into a neighborhood would raise property values.

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  233. Because you are a decent human being.

    David Alexander, nor the being who represents in real life is a decent human being.

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  234. David Alexander, nor the being who represents in real life is a decent human being.

    Point blank: why do you hate yourself?

    You either need therapy, or you’ve done some really horrible things you’re afraid to confess to the police and it’s eating you up inside.

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  235. DA:

    David Alexander, nor the being who represents in real life is a decent human being.

    You are now playing Shady Game, now, are you?

    Why did you kick that kitten, DA? What did Lady Fluffles ever do to you?

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  236. David Alexander, nor the being who represents in real life is a decent human being.

    You can’t fake a personality for 2 years running.

    you’ve done some really horrible things you’re afraid to confess to the police and it’s eating you up inside.

    David is more alpha than Roissy. Our gracious host does his own shady character game. DA has other people doing it for him.

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  237. Dave Alex,
    PA’s utterly ridiculous comments aside, I think one reason why you haven’t devolved into bitter misogyny (yet) might be due to what Nova suggested on his blog wrt excessive reliance upon, and use of, porn. How long that lasts though, remains to be seen, as I do see a hateration of Women streak in you, its just at a low ebb for the moment.

    Time will tell…

    O

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  238. DA,

    The thing is, I measure concessions to the matriarchy in terms of “cost per notch”, as Roosh does, considering the relative commitment of resources necessary for sex, or a simulacrum of sex (porn, strippers, hostesses.) Japan is currently the world leader in sex simulacra, either organic or artificial, since it apparently has more sex video booths, peep shows, hostess bars, and strip clubs per capita than any other. In those institutions, men pay for a simulacrum of sex delivered by a real woman. (Some of this is undoubtedly due to the all-night sex video booths’, strip shows’ and peep shows’ couch rental being used as a de facto cheaper-than-cheap businessman’s hotel.) Japan is also the leader in dolls, pillows, and sleeves, and will be the leader in bots when they become available.

    The disturbing trend is this: while Japanese men are shutting down their real sexuality, they are paying close to the going hourly rate for college-girl escorts in the USA ($200-300/hr) for a night of these simulacra (either an entire night of no sex with a hostess or a night of doll rental).

    Whether the outlay of real money for a simulacrum of sex is a good thing is highly debatable, and I would argue–perversely–that what is needed is free, unpaid sex with real women, and more Game. Without becoming desired, you cannot decouple sex from economics, and while feminists view pay-for-play as rape, it is fairly obvious that male sexuality is exploited, and that technical developments are only going to render this exploitation easier, less risky, less laborious, and less human for human sex workers and (more ominously for the workers) for pimps and traffickers.

    The fact that there have been numerous cases of men in Japan flipping out and decapitating their hostesses after finding out they were NOT in fact going to get the sex they THOUGHT they paid for (generally foreign hostesses who may have made an honest language mistake) leaves me with the thought that the future is, well, murder.

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