How To Handle Femmes Fatales Part 2

Today I will continue building on yesterday’s post and discuss how to defend yourself against the next femme fatale in Clio’s list. (As per M. Blowhard’s suggestion, I’ve split up the posts for easier reading.)

The Eternal Ingenue

She can be distinguished from the Waif, however, by the fact that where the Waif is often silent, and usually still, the Eternal Ingenue is in continual, graceful, coltish motion. Nor is she surrounded by an aura of doom-laden unhappiness. She talks a lot. She laughs a good deal. She is above all else, animated. Prancing, gambolling, frolicking like a puppy or a pony, she is often described as “charming” or “enchanting.”

When guys talk about being attracted to an ethereal “girlishness” in women, they are thinking of ingenues from their pasts. Being a man is tough — it requires strength, stoicism, and seriousness of purpose. We are drawn to the opposite in women, yang to yin, and so the ingenue — the antithesis of the hardened alpha male — captures our imagination like no other woman can. Of the four femme fatales Clio wrote of, the Eternal Ingenue comes closest to embodying the essence of the perfect woman. And, unfortunately, she is also the most diffcult to tame.

What makes an ordinary Ingenue into a femme fatale, one who goes through many men and breaks their hearts, is that this is a woman “in love with love,” who has a dream-image of the perfect love, and perfect lover, in her mind, and is perpetually seeking the one man who can make her feel as she wants to feel.

Perfection is the enemy of settling. Eternal Ingenues run a risk of growing older alone. They won’t be cougars — they’re too feminine, cute and coy for that — but they are the most likely to end up cat ladies babbling to themselves about their potted marigolds. She can avoid this fate by being more hard-headed, but that has its cost. Cultivation of her pragmatic side will weaken her otherworldy whimsical side, which is the big generator of her power.

An element of the Ingenue’s search for the perfect love is that she must convince herself that all her previous loves were wrong or bad or not “real” love at all, so they didn’t count, because, you see, for her the only perfect love is first love. As a result of all this self-deception, she is able to seem virginal even when she is not.

This falls right into line with one of my maxims.

Maxim #7: The sweeter and more innocent a girl seems, the greater the likelihood she has been in a gangbang.

Corollary: Always assume she is a whore. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.

You really want to be wary of any woman who overly romaticizes her quest for love. She is probably what Clio described: A woman who will pick you apart for minor faults in the most gratingly passive-aggressive way possible, and finally leave you on the flimsiest pretext, often bounding straight into the arms of another man without even a pause for common courtesy.

This kind of woman is often a natural “daddy’s girl,” though her father may have been rather weak, but one who either lost her father early, or has had to share him with other women (her mother, her sisters, a step-mother), and wants him all to herself. She’ll put her trust in a handful of other women, but they are often much older than she is. […]

Having dated a number of Eternal Ingenues myself, I can say this rings true. They either came from divorced families with fathers who bought their love and loyalty, or they had a caring beta father heading an all-female family who had to divide his love between women. You’ll know if you are dating a potential Ingenue if you meet her girlfriends and they are all overprotective and annoyingly sassy cougars-in-training. The Eternal Ingenue HATES competition from attractive girls her own age.

The Ingenue doesn’t necessarily refuse to be responsible or adult. She simply maintains an air of girlish sweetness and innocence through middle and old age. […]

Unlike Waifs, Eternal Ingenues can take care of themselves. Which makes them more difficult prey.

…the waif’s childlike qualities may make a man feel protective: they do not make him feel fatherly. The whole point of the Ingenue is that she brings out this feeling in men. She makes them want to initiate her into the world, but gently, in a fatherly way, with books and talk and advice.

Maybe one of the reasons I date so many Eternal Ingenues is that I date so many younger women. The two go hand in hand. But I’m not fatherly in the least. Books and talk and advice are beta. The only thing I initiate them into is a world of sexual depravity and soul-rending love addiction.

Men: The Eternal Ingenue is extremely alluring as a sexual conquest. You may bed her, but winning her over is an entirely separate challenge. Because you are constantly being compared in her mind to her imaginary “perfect first love” you will be shit tested until the cougars come home. Because there will be so much competition from other men for her attentions, you will be subjected to an endless stream of capricious disloyalty from her, if not outright cheating. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been dating her — she will be the one keeping you up at night wondering if she’s tonguing down some random dude on the steps of the National Cathedral at 3 AM, and the odds are she will be. And, as a charming but inveterate liar, she will be the best at hiding her whorish soul from you.

If you want to break her will, you must, first and foremost, never get thrown back on your heels. If she puts you on the defensive, consider yourself done. This means being acutely aware of her shit tests, and passing them with flying colors. Hone your cocky funny skills to perfection, and parry EVERYTHING she throws your way with the amused mastery of a Jedi player. Example:

Her: “Oh GOD, your taste in music is SO lame. You never play anything I like.”

You: “I didn’t know you were the music czar. I think I’ll just call you ITunes from now on. Hey, ITunes, make me a sandwich!”

Next, be vigilant about your encroaching neediness. Oh Satan below, do Ingenues despise needy men. It will take a lot of willpower, but you should occasionally cancel dates on her and, when sex is imminent, find some excuse to walk away, leaving her horny and unsatisfied. Ingenues love the father figure (are fathers needy? no), so play up those strengths — be her authority, lead, slap her when necessary, playfully dismiss her juvenile provocations, and always be prepared to lay down the law. This last will often mean walking away from her never looking back.

Don’t feel guilty about dating around on an Ingenue. Her loyalty is razor thin, so your virtue will gain you nothing. In fact, an Ingenue will love you more if she suspects you are still playing the field. She needs the challenge, like she relished the challenge of winning her father’s affections away from her sister.

Like the Waif, the Ingenue eight balls her emotional highs from the act of chasing men. She does not suffer long men who chase her — this fleeting wisp of a woman. Of all the femme fatales, she yearns to seek your approval the most and wants to actually win it the least. Unlike the Amazonian Alpha, whom I will discuss tomorrow, the Ingenue can’t tolerate heavy-handed qualifying early on, but she needs to be qualified on a continual basis with a subtler touch. You always have to judge her, without being judgmental. This is a fine art.

Her: “I bought this new dress today. What do you think?”

You: “Nice. But I’m surprised you’re going in that direction. It seems… unique.”

Finally, the most important advice: Because Eternal Ingenues are “in love with love” you should withhold announcing your love for her as long as humanly possible. An old Russian saying: Once a woman captures your heart she loses interest. This is doubly true for the Ingenue. What she doesn’t know, or doesn’t want to know, is that there never was a perfect love in her life, and there never will be, at least not by the impossible standards to which she has elevated the concept. If you lavish her with your love she will find it easier to evaluate her fantasy of love against what you are giving her. You will invariably come up short. So keep her guessing, keep her in the dark, and slowly over time she’ll fill in the blanks and begin imagining that YOUR love is the love she’s been waiting for.





Comments


  1. this shit is gold!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Of the various fatales described, this is the one which is my particular weakness. I’ve had my soul blown to smithereens twice, and the first time it was an Eternal Ingenue. At that point I was entirely unprepared to deal with one. They still call out to me (as do the non-fatal ingenues), but as I am now pretty sensitive to their dangers, I can dodge.

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  3. “she will be the one keeping you up at night wondering if she’s tonguing down some random dude on the steps of the National Cathedral at 3 AM, and the odds are she will be. And, as a charming but inveterate liar, she will be the best at hiding her whorish soul from you.”

    Say thanks but no thanks to the Dick Sandwich… walk away

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  4. huh… this sounds like my current girlfriend. i shall have to reread this later

    good shit mang

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  5. “Of all the femme fatales, she yearns to seek your approval the most and actually wants to win it the least.”

    Oh, this eternal conundrum!

    P.S. Have you been reading my diary?

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  6. Dear Lemmy,

    In some parts of the city it’s considered rude not to offer the dick sandwich without mayo

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  7. I believe all bangable women have administered at least one dick sandwhich in their lifetimes. Its just a question of whether they will admit it or you’re the next one eating it.

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  8. With so many attractive alternatives, how do humans manage to maintain relationships at all?

    The brain appears to have some tricks up its neural sleeve. A new line of research is exploring how automatic psychological mechanisms kick into action when the eye starts to wander, helping resist temptation and strengthening the relationship — even without us being aware of it.

    http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-mating15-2008sep15,0,5766094.story

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  9. I think TurkeyBaster needs a big ol dick-sammich…

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  10. on September 17, 2008 at 7:22 pm jonathanjones02

    These seem like more trouble than may be worth it.

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  11. *Screams and punches wall*

    Clio, darling why are you giving away female game to these men???

    *cries out loud and rolls around on the floor*

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  12. LOL,
    is chicnoir an ingenue?

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  13. @Turkeybaster115-Good, because some of the men on this site worry me. They make me want to give up on men and just find a girlfriend.

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  14. Maybe, 😆

    but I don’t go about breaking hearts. I would certainly dump a guy in a heart beat if he says hurtful things to me.

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  15. “I would certainly dump a guy in a heart beat if he says hurtful things to me.”

    Well that is pretty healthy.

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  16. if you get a GF film it for the studio audience. don’t forget to scissor.

    😯

    I had no idea what “to scissior” was until a week ago. I am in to the Beth Ditto type, so I will certainly send you a video. I am sure you and DA will enjoy.

    @yours truly- Do you live in the Netherlands, Belgium or Germany?

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  17. “@yours truly- Do you live in the Netherlands, Belgium or Germany?”

    Yes, why?

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  18. The deeper problem with relationships is that there is always a “better alternative” in both parties minds. Because the sexual marketplace is very deep, very anonymous in urban areas, and essentially cost-less.

    Ingenues will pull the stuff they do, because there is no cost to them doing so. How could there be? Same for PUA also, there is no cost to having various relationships with other girls at the same time.

    Typical complaint of small-town girls: they can’t sleep around with the limited selection and not incur costs. They can in urban areas.

    Again, in this sort of sexual marketplace, women should not expect any more loyalty on an aggregate basis than women demonstrate on an aggregate basis. Indeed, incentives on both parties pretty much guarantee, there is not going to be much if any fidelity.

    A man is involved with a girl — how does he “trust” her not to be dating other guys at the same time, and vice-versa? There is no verification mechanism as in small, close-knit communities, thus every incentive to “cheat before” the partner does. This dynamic is probably worse if the partner gives indications of cheating — the Ingenue’s constant flirting, the PUA’s constant flirting, etc.

    Then there’s the problem of baggage — each partner quite possibly mis-identifying the other’s true nature/intentions. A girl who is merely affable and likes to joke being thought of as a Ingenue, a guy eager to ingratiate himself into a woman’s circle thought of as a PUA.

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  19. Chicnoir 23–

    They make me want to give up on men and just find a girlfriend.

    Next you’ll be threatening to move to Canada! ;D

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  20. How about “I much prefer”? Sounds better? I don’t try to be backhanded.

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  21. Pupu is checkmated. The game is over. 😦

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  22. Hope 41–

    Bingo! I had a hunch I could milk you for a tad more. *Big happy grin.”

    Hugs Hope.

    Are you over morning sickness yet?

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  23. These girls get corrupted by crowded areas — too many dreamy guys to crush on, and hard to pick just one. Like a little girl in the Chocolate Factory. For that matter, big colleges also spoil them, almost right after they set foot on campus.

    You have to make sure she was raised and plans to stay in a lower-density place, where you’re the obvious choice for her. Just stay out of the Mountain Time Zone.

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  24. Pupu 42–

    No no Pupu. But that’s very cute and all. *Kiss kiss* Happy now?

    You know perfectly well that Eternal Ingenue’s don’t stay checkmated. They just bounce up and start a new game as though nothing whatsoever had happened. If reminded — it’s oh THAT?! — and then scene shift to show the utter inconsequence of that. It’s right back to “catch me if you can”.

    Maybe they bounce back with the same main squeeze and or maybe it’s a new one, but the one thing we can be sure of is that no checkmate ever sticks.

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  25. Agnostic 44–

    Just stay out of the Mountain Time Zone.

    You’ve called dibs on the whole lot of it, have you?

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  26. Aww dougjnn. ^^

    I don’t seem to get morning sickness, or maybe not yet. I get a little dizzy at night, after I exercise, but other than that I’m not throwing up or anything.

    Pupu is checkmated. The game is over. 😦

    Nah. Men will always respond to cute puppy eyes, a bit of pouting and the little noises girly girls make. I think the Eternal Ingenue being discussed is just a particular kind of Ingenue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenue_(stock_character)

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  27. 12 juggler:

    Only the most desirable? Or only the most unavailable, unattainable, the biggest challenge?

    A distinction without a difference.

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  28. Yours Truly
    “@yours truly- Do you live in the Netherlands, Belgium or Germany?”

    Yes, why?

    Do you mind telling me which country?

    You mentioned in another post that average woman is 5’8 and the average man is 6’2 in your country.

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  29. Patrick K

    I think

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  30. How many times do you think David Alexander will stop to masturbate while he’s reading it?

    Actually reading this blog interferes with my masturbation habits. Coincidentally, reading this blog makes me chronically late for appointments and work…

    Next you’ll be threatening to move to Canada! ;D

    Me + College Degree = Ticket to Canada

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  31. waz up wit dat, H?

    It was mainly because of the commenters, many of whom don’t post here much if at all anymore. I used to read Rina’s blog daily until she password-protected it. I used to post there quite often, too, if you’ll remember.

    do i detect a hint of envious condescension?
    yes, yes i do!
    more useless tripe from you. men may always respond to girly girls (who are hot) but now with the teachings of game they can do so from a position of choice.

    Nope, it’s not envy, more like knowledge and understanding. Once again you read me incorrectly. I have always been very cutesy and girly girlish with men I love in private, so much so that it’s probably nausea-inducing if you knew the full extent of it.

    But I don’t like to be cute or vulnerable around these parts. I like the intellectual insights, and I’d rather not be seen as flirtatious.

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  32. 39: (like Reggie who no longer posts here)

    Yeah, I miss Reggie! 😦

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  33. So keep her guessing, keep her in the dark, and slowly over time she’ll fill in the blanks and begin imagining that YOUR love is the love she’s been waiting for.

    Is it just me, or does this sound like so much passive aggressive bullshit? OMG what am I doing here? x_x

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  34. 21 chic noir:

    Clio, darling why are you giving away female game to these men???

    Simple: because she is a Goddess and you are not.

    hth

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  35. chic trick:
    I agree. Micheal K(?)comes across as a real sweetie as well.

    yeah, but would you sleep with him?

    don’t mind me, just keepin’ it real…

    depends on what he looks like and if he and I can form some type of bond. If you, then I would prob marry him.

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  36. Tupac Chopra
    😦

    why are you so mean to me?

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  37. 58 Sara:

    Why am I even here then? Unlike Hope, I’m not here to “learn about women”. Oh no. My being here is akin to watching a mugging in progress and even though it disturbs you, you can’t take your eyes off it.

    You can go now……………….
    .
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    ….but I think you’ll stay.

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  38. 61 chic noir:

    why are you so mean to me?

    Just givin’ props is all.

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  39. #21 Chic: “Clio darling why are you giving away female game to these men?”

    I hate to admit it, but it was because I did a series of posts on male heartbreakers first, and the voice of conscience whispered to me that it wasn’t fair to do something like that unless I performed the same service for men WRT women.

    So I thought about it a bit – the stories that male friends tole me about the women who made them miserable, and the women who seemed to make a habit of this kind of behaviour. Any man or woman can break a heart by accident (more or less) once or twice in their lifetimes. But I was trying to figure out what kind of person of either sex made it a way of life, the kind of person for whom it seemed to be emotionally necessary.

    Clio

    p.s. Who was that who was saying that the info about gold-diggers and neurotics is fairly well known? Take that back! My stereotypes are purely my own, and I owe them to nobody! [pouts adorably like an Eternal Ingenue FF; screeches with outrage like a NFF; decides to give a very long silent treatment to the guilty party like a WFF]

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  40. @clio-pouting and big eyes really work :happy:

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  41. opps

    🙂

    Men love playing the hero, and I enjoy leting them play that role. I just hate when they expect a couchie coupon for doing the right thing.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=coochie+coupon

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  42. I have a quibble with Clio. Nearly all the Dancers I have known, have not fallen into the Igenue territory, rather the tough girl, artistic athlete (I’m talking Ballet and Modern Dance).

    Feet HURT. All the time. Constant hunger pains, lots of sore muscles, it hurts like say, being a sem-pro to pro athlete (football, soccer, basketball). Knees and ankles going arthritic, or blown out, by age 22 or so.

    Most of the Dancers I knew were “nice” but reserved, rather “tough” in their appraisal of things, and with a steady guy for years. Their lives were chaotic and uncertain, so they chose fairly steady though macho guys, who would not cheat, and provide support. Athletic but not overly so. All their mates were tall though. Quite tall.

    The women were feminine mind you, but not the girl Ingenue that Clio describes. Most of the guys around them at the job were either gay or womanizers, and work itself could be brutal. One girl I knew who was 16, I thought at first was 22 or 23.

    I suppose the words I would describe them with were “matter of fact.” They liked their jokes though. They would crack them all the time.

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  43. LOL, 69 is true too.

    On 70, I’m dating a dancer right now, and there’s a big difference between the ones who make a serious paying career of it (who are the heavy-duty athletes you describe) and the hobbyists who have it as an artsy sideline, who can be pretty athletic but fit the artist stereotype more closely.

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  44. this would be more believable if these commenters who supposedly brought you here were here at the time you started posting.

    Reggie wasn’t, but Rina was around then. Defining the Alpha Male was the first post I read (linked to by The Fourth Checkraise), and she commented in that entry, as well as some before that. I found The Fourth Checkraise through some meanderings on reddit.

    and, btw, you’ve commented directly to my posts a number of times, putting the lie to your claim that it was commenters who brought you here.
    shall i dig up the evidence or are you ready to concede?

    I never denied that you were interesting, or that your writing is interesting. I rather like human interest stories, and I always have. Your blog (was) like an ongoing nonfiction novel, and really the primary reason for that is one of your posts about a failed love relationship you are.

    Like Peanut said, it may be a “morbid curiosity.” I used to read the journals of women like Alexis Massie (pre-Google days, now her writing can only be found in Wayback Machine) and Sara Astruc, fascinated by their lives which they described through their writing.

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  45. 74 Sara:

    Good grief!

    You need something wet in your mouth.

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  46. Know this girl all too well.

    I find it easier to just break off all contact 😉

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  47. Er, in reference to the above comments about athleticism in dancers: I agree. But did I say anything about dancing at all? I don’t see it in my original posts. Or are you referring to something in a comment rather than in my own writing on the subject?

    Clio

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  48. 76 GVChamp

    I like your sly little smile. How did you make that? ENTJ you say? So, you’re a personality type one. We’re true opposites, me being an eight. Breaking off contact….may be the way to go.
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeOne.asp

    75 Tupac

    You need something wet in your mouth.

    Sex. The answer to everything. Well, in a way you’re right.

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  49. “Do you mind telling me which country?”

    The Netherlands. And average 25yo, older people are shorter, of course.

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  50. “define “taking responsibility for one’s life”.”

    Someone who takes responsibility for his life does not spend too much time complaining about the card he was dealt but rather at what he can do with the cards he has.

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  51. Hope, you misunderstood Pupu. As far as the lack of “intellectual content” aspect of Pupu’s comments that you subtly criticized, Pupu could not defend herself except for saying that beauty is in the eyes of beholder, and the same is true with meaning. In communication, some prefer using more words, some less, some none. As long as the message is delivered to the intended receiver with minimal error, the choice of delivery is a matter of preference. Unlike you, Pupu finds writing long passages exceptionally hard. Symbols and equations are much simpler to use and to comprehend for Pupu. Cognitively, Hope and Pupu are different people. But as far as sincerity goes, we are quite the same. To celebrate this exceptionally long message Pupu has managed to put together, and also to add to its length, please allow Pupu to quote Jane Eyre 😉

    “I am not talking to you now through the medium of custom, conventionalities, nor even of mortal flesh: it is my spirit that addresses your spirit; just as if both had passed through the grave, and we stood at God’s feet, equal — as we are!”

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  52. And is it true, that devils end up like you?
    Something safe for the picture frame…

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  53. Special relativity says “tick tock tick tock” can be slowed down by moving faster. Pupu is determined to become a fast woman!

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  54. “This last will often mean walking away from her never looking back.”
    priceless…and hand in hand with the russian quote. when they know, not see through your faux willingness to walk away at any time…they will respect you….and remain interested.

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  55. As a contemporary of Don Henley and Glenn Frey (is anyone on this blog familiar with the assisted-living group The Eagles?), they nailed it in their second song, before all the fame: desperadoes only want the ones they can’t get.

    –Impecunious recovering victim of an Eternal Ingenue, unfortunately with aspects of Goldigger as well.

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  56. 90 retired urologist:

    As a contemporary of Don Henley and Glenn Frey (is anyone on this blog familiar with the assisted-living group The Eagles?), they nailed it in their second song, before all the fame: desperadoes only want the ones they can’t get.

    *blush*

    –Impecunious recovering victim of an Eternal Ingenue, unfortunately with aspects of Goldigger as well.

    But remember what the boys also said:

    and I found out a long time ago
    what a woman can do to your soul
    oh but she can’t take you anywhere
    you didn’t already know how to go…

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  57. @91

    Yeah, my bad. Shot of courage?

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  58. I wonder if this Pupu, with her concise but elusive comments, is a Muse, sister to our Clio. Euterpe, perhaps, or Erato? The latter seems probable, given the focus of this blog. But…

    I think Pupu is an Oracle. Perhaps even the Delphic Oracle. She inhales the sacred fumes, then comes and gifts us with her cryptic haiku-zen elliptical pronouncements, leaving us enlightened and puzzled both.

    Who is this Pupu? She should reveal herself, I think. Is she a Muse? An Oracle? Roosh or VK in drag?

    This blinkered mortal stands before you, Pupu, and pleads. Who are you? Who are you today?

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  59. As years unfurl, they take their toll on he likes of Don Henley. One day he flies into a Michael Jackson falsetto “don’t worry girl, I’ll stand by youuuuu!” and another day he stalks his ex-wife, mumbling something for “forgiveness, forgiveness.”

    But men get lost sometimes.

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  60. 93 PatrickH:

    I wonder if this Pupu, with her concise but elusive comments, is a Muse, sister to our Clio.

    My sources say “yes.”

    Who is this Pupu? She should reveal herself, I think. Is she a Muse? An Oracle?

    All I know is she better be hot.

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  61. oh, and the phrase “kick a bitch” is profoundly metaphorical. you think this would be obvious but i guess not.

    now hold still and don’t you DARE close your eyes

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  62. “mine truly:
    And average 25yo”

    You silly man!

    “you have me confused with david alexander.
    feel free to present evidence from my blog posts that i complain about the cards i was dealt.
    (this should be fun)”

    I admit that it is not any particular line, just an intuitive impression. You’ll probably think I’m silly for that.

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  63. How do you get to type the bold and italic stuff by the way?

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  64. How do you get to type the bold and italic stuff by the way?

    it’s called HTML, try it some time.

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  65. Jest testing this

    This should stand out

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  66. Last time I gave a ladies’ man a picture over the internet he left our guild because I did not want to sleep with him.

    Oh, I didn’t know you played games online. What do you play?

    Join the guild I’m in for Warhammer? 🙂

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  67. @ Yours Truly

    if you want to quote someone, use the blockquote tag:

    http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_blockquote.asp

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  68. Not anymore, but I used to. It is pretty time consuming though, so nowadays I only play those little games for when you have half an hour to waste. I have to pass exams and want to spend time on my friends and hobbies too, so big games had to go. A friend of mine who is like a cousin to me plays Warhammer too. You can also paint little puppets for that, right?

    How is your pregnancy going by the way?

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  69. It’s going well. Thanks for asking!

    I play online games to spend time with my husband. They are a waste of time, but then, so is writing comments on a blog. 😛

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  70. Those whose morbid fascination leads them to poke and prod at an asshole hardly have grounds for indignation when they wind up shit-stained.

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  71. it’s all about the dominance fucktard.

    in other words, you’re one of those guys that has other men suck his dick and then says he’s not gay because he’s not doing the sucking? Ummm, yeah, OK, got it. Not a Republican Senator or anything, are you?

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  72. 119 MQ

    Not a Republican Senator or anything, are you?

    Come on, MQ. Maybe he only has a wide stance.

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  73. MQ —

    in other words, you’re one of those guys that has other men suck his dick and then says he’s not gay because he’s not doing the sucking?

    You are betraying your lack of deep understanding of human sexuality.

    If the reason the man getting sucked permits that is because he’s screwing another man’s wife, and the wife is doing it in front of her husband and enjoys seeing her lover utterly dominate her submissive husband, then no, the lover is not being even remotely gay.

    Just the opposite in fact. It’s an extremely dominant and masculine act. I guarantee you that “kick a bitch” had this sort of thing in mind.

    The husband on the other hand is a different story. That too isn’t clear cut gay necessarily but it’s certainly submissive and a lot closer to gay. He certainly could be gay or bi.

    Masuline = 1) lust for females, 2) sexual dominance. Feminine = 1) craving sexual desire from worthy men; and 2) sexual submission in the moment to worthy men

    This was something the Romans very much understood. They actually spent a lot more time talking about male dominace as the hallmark of masculinity, rather than the object of desire being preferentially female, though both were involved.

    Men who want to sexually submit to a woman, and women who want to sexually dominate a man are intermediate cases, but still each are in the hetero camp, if not as far into it. I’ll leave it at that for now, but there’s much more that I could say.

    So masuline vs. feminine consits of determining 1) object of desire; 2) dominance vs submission.

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  74. pully 120 —

    A woman who will pick you apart for minor faults in the most gratingly passive-aggressive way possible, and finally leave you on the flimsiest pretext, often bounding straight into the arms of another man without even a pause for common courtesy.

    All kinds of things can create the excuse for picking apart. There’s also extremly little cultural inhibition placed on women today for doing so in relatinships or marriages.

    The MOTIVATION for doing so is that she isn’t getting wet enough down there. It’s easy to say it’s because you aren’t being good enough in the bedroom, and the mechanics of that are a factor, but the overall big thing is yourg gestalt amount of male charisma or sexiness. Think oak tree but playful and confident. Think bend and flexible but don’t cave. Think avoid arguments but don’t agree she’s right all the time to do so.

    You will note that our culture is telling you to do the opposite much of the time.

    I’ve only talked about what you can readily change. If your tall, good looking, are big downstairs, muscular, going from success to success at work, and lots of other girls are always flirting and panting after you, you will not have to pay too much attention to the small stuff.

    But lots of stuff makes a difference.

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  75. 78 Sara I

    The sly smile is formed by having six hours of sleep yet enjoying the company 😉

    The breaking off contact was necessary considering the level of mixed signals and the lack of game on my part. I can’t fight out of the LJBF trap, especially the Femme Fatale throwing out mixed signals part getting mixed in.

    Just no damn point.

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  76. backpedal, thy name is yours truly

    I played with the devil, I got myself burned.
    Now I sit on the blisters, a lesson was learned.

    :$

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  77. 121 Dougie

    If your tall, good looking, are big downstairs, muscular, going from success to success at work, and lots of other girls are always flirting and panting after you, you will not have to pay too much attention to the small stuff.

    My business took me to a redneck party last night. (Yes, parties are my business….one of them.) If you’re a redneck, the success part is not necessary but being able to hold your liquor and line dance becomes paramount.

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  78. Sara

    Yeah. I hear you.

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  79. 121 – dougjnn: You confuse your definition of “masculine” with “heterosexual”. Enjoying a blow job by another guy is gay, regardless of whether you fuck his wife afterwards or not.

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  80. […] what I do to battle myself and my normal tell tell response is re-read  How to handle femmes fatales it’s my inspiration to keep strong and move on from my bete position. I want S in my life but […]

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  81. was at the national cathedral last night… (actually in her car outside of a bar)

    she was from a broken home (“live with my mother”)

    tonguing down some random dude (“have a boyfriend but… whatever”)

    …she was always giving me shit when i talked to other chicks in the bar (“THAT your girlfriend?”)

    4 hours from eye contact to penis-in-hand… she even bought me a beer

    your words ring true…

    …not sure that this turbocharged life will truly lead to happiness, though… just more expectations

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  82. think it would only lead to happiness if you couldn’t generate it for yourself in the first place…

    suppose — fucking happy > living happy

    seeing the matrix ends only with infinite analysis.

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  83. …or…. maybe she just doesn’t like you? Instead of playing games or putting people into categories, why don’t you find someone whose company you actually… ENJOY?????

    If you need ego boost get if from somewhere else not women.

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  84. This literally described my ex girfriend to a tee. I mean seriously it was like reading a brief history of my last year of hell with that whore.

    “You’ll know if you are dating a potential Ingenue if you meet her girlfriends and they are all overprotective and annoyingly sassy cougars-in-training. The Eternal Ingenue HATES competition from attractive girls her own age.”

    Classic gold my friend!

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  85. Aw, it’s so cute when y’all pretend to have dated lots of women, or even a woman at all.

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  86. Jezebel, wow, what a rebellious name to have on a site where whores are frequently psychologically dissected. I’m sure it gives you a sense of power back to say to the world “World, I am a Jezebel. Judge me how you wish, or join me in appreciating a smarmy expression of uncreative irony, but I am what I am (whether you really are or not) and I want to assert my rebellious presence”.

    I bet you get some power back when you suck a new cock every weekend too. Way to show em, Jez..

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  87. you found me out. Im currently in Canada getting more. Im a slut okay. Thanks to women like me good men never marry. lol

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