Why Women Get Cheated On

Here is a woman writing to an advice columnist about her predilection for dating men who wind up cheating on her.

Dear Bossy: I’m writing to you with hope that you can help me shed some light on why things happen in my personal life, and what i can do to resolve those things making me unhappy.

I feel really happy and fulfilled in all areas outside of my love life – career, family, friends, sports etc etc.  It’s all going great and I’m healthy and confident and good.  However, the last two years, i’ve had multiple experiences in my romantic life that make me question my own judgement and leave me feeling, well, worthless and unloved.

Let me take you through the details.

Two years ago, i caught my partner sleeping with another girl in our bed.  I moved out and broke it off with him.

Last year, i met someone i felt a real connection with.  He was warm and intelligent and thoughtful, and i really felt good around him.  I heard gossip from other people about him cheating, but when i confronted him to ask him why people would say such things, he assured me he was devoted to me.  Several months later, he confessed that he had another girlfriend, not just me.  I felt like I’d been punched in the stomach.  I cut all ties with him, and looking back, i know that i had my part to play in the situation, because, just like last time when there had been signs, i ignored them.  Not because i didn’t want them to be true, but because i guess i just trusted blindly. You know the saying, a liar won’t believe anyone else?  Well, i guess being someone who wouldn’t cheat made me ignorant of the idea that others do.

It took another 6 months before i met someone i was attracted to, who i had started off being friends with.  I just felt like a casual fling, he was not my type at all romantically, and I advised him that while I enjoyed his friendship, I wasn’t able to offer him anything more. One night this guy sent me a message saying he had just been on a date, and that he’d had an amazing time, but the girl in question wouldn’t have sex on the first date….so could he come over?  Again, I acknowledge my part in this by wanting a casual fling, but I guess I thought one could be conducted with dignity and respect.

Fast forward another couple of months, I got to know this really lovely guy at work.  I was just friends with him for a long time, not good friends, but i felt i knew enough about him.  I’ve seen him take care of another colleague who was sick, he has photos of his nieces and nephews on his desk, and he gets physically uneasy when one of our male colleagues makes inappropriate comments.  I guess what I’m saying is that this time around, I took the time to try to pick up on cues that tell me what a man’s really like before dating him.  Anyhow, I went to lunch a few times with him, and I really felt he was genuine and compassionate and interested in me.  We went on a couple of dates, and they were really great.  We went out for a coffee after work and talked for four hours.  I had been very cautious about dating given my previous experiences, but felt that he was trustworthy and honest.

Two days later, my other colleague, who had recently broken up with his work girlfriend, came to me and asked me to coffee (not knowing i was seeing this colleague – i wanted to keep it quiet at such an early stage).  During coffee, my friend broke down and told me that his ex had told him she’s started seeing someone else….yep, you guessed it, my new guy.

Bossy, I feel like I’m a hamster in a wheel, running on the same path making the same mistakes over and over again.  I don’t want to make these mistakes.  I thought I’d learned from the first two cheaters, but it’s becoming a pattern that is hurting so much, and I want to break it.

To an extent, I hold these guys responsible for their own behaviour, but deep in my heart I feel like this is happening because 1. I am not picking up on signals that i should, and 2. I am sending out signals that i am deserving of this.

Bossy, I’m swearing off men for a little while until I get my head straight.  At the moment I just feel too fragile and too suspicious, which is definitely not a good mix for a potential future!

I guess I’m just seeking your advice on a couple of things:
Firstly, how can i better screen guys?  What’s wrong with me that the men i’ve dated in the last two years consider me just discardable and unworthy of honesty and fidelity?  How can I paint myself in a diffferent light?

Secondly, I feel like dirt.  I feel worthless and discardable… some of these guys have gone on to be in successful relationships, so it feels to me like they have the capacity to respect, but not to respect me.  How can I overcome these feelings?  What can I do to feel good about myself again?

Finally, when it’s time for me to be ready to date again, how can I develop a balance between being jaded and cynical, and being naive?

I know I’m imperfect.  I can learn a lot and I accept my role in these situations.  I just feel so used and useless right now, and I don’t know how to fix it.
Thank you,
Cheated

“I feel like I’m a hamster in a wheel, running on the same path making the same mistakes over and over again.”

You don’t say! Even women recognize their gender is afflicted with a rationalization hamster.

Props to the guy asking for a booty call because his other woman wouldn’t put out on the first date. Balls, my friends.

I’m not including “Bossy’s” reply, because it was stupid — typical womanese, full of blame-shifting and platitudes, signifying nothing.

Here is the truth. Women get cheated on for four reasons, three of which they are complicit in their own betrayal.

  1. They have stopped catering to a man’s desire. Women who choose to get fat or withhold sex are ripe candidates for being cheated on. A man who is driven to cheating by his fat, frigid wife has my sympathies.
  2. They tingle for assholes. About 1/3 of women — usually the hottest chicks — have an irresistible urge to copulate with assholes, jerks, thugs and other assorted aloof cads. (Another 1/3 are susceptible to the asshole’s charms but are occasionally capable of eschewing the blind cravings of their vaginas.) Naturally, the assholes cheat. These women then cry foul, but they have invited betrayal into their lives. Their pain was prophesied the moment they spread their legs.
  3. They shoot out of their league. I would tell a woman: You want to date an alpha one or more points higher than you? Prepare to be betrayed at some future date, said date which will be sooner rather than later if he’s considerably higher value than what you could be expected to get. More than a few women are OK with this trade-off.
  4. Men like variety. Women have no control over this. Men are programmed to enjoy the hunt, and to experience pleasure from a multitude of pussy, and men with options are able to fulfill that desire. The best women can do to counter this manly impulse is to be young and hot.

A reader named “repentant male” (*cough* girly man *cough*) commented on the article:

I thought I would add some thoughts from the opposite side.

I used to be a cheating husband.  I love my wife dearly, I love my kids, I get angry at sexist jokes, and have photos of my kids on the desk.

I have been married for 20+ years, but there has been a hole in my personal fulfillment.  I met somebody else who was extremely physical with me.  O.M.G It was like I was 19 again – My world changed from one where I was literally begging for physical intimacy – and driving my wife away by doing so, to one where my every need was more than fulfilled.

After 6 months, I decided that it was time to leave my wife of 20+ years.  in the end, I couldn’t do it – I confessed, and broke the relationship off with the other woman.

Was it entirely my wifes fault? no Was it entirely my fault? – no – it was a combination of factors.  My wife didn’t understand how important physical intimacy was to me, and I wasn’t communicating properly with her.

Long story short, lots of counseling later, we are both still together, and the physical side is getting better – it will never be as awesome as it was with the other woman, but that’s not the point.

So – Are you *sure* that you are meeting the needs of your partner?  You may not be.

Take heed, ladies. You have to earn a husband’s faithfulness. This woman was lucky; her husband was too beta to do the right thing for his happiness. Maybe you won’t be so lucky. The sexual market is a worldwide dominion of genitals, and marriage is no exemption from its eternal, unrelenting, remorseless barter.





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  1. Roissy, can you give us some tips for why guys get cheated on? Or what to do to minimise the chances?

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  2. Option #3 has to happen the most frequently. They date assholes that are out of their league. When I’ve dated such women, I’ve always cheated on them because I know that they’re going to let me get away with it. I didn’t even try to lie about or hide the cheating and these girls would stay. They just made it very convenient to date them.

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  3. #2 rings the most true. While I pity a woman who does do most relationship things well but gets cheated on due to “variety”, that case is really a minority.

    It says much praise about Roissy that he was able to provide a truthful answer at mere 232 words compared to the columnist’s rambling of 388 words that didn’t say anything substantial.

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  4. That beta was a bit inspiring:a complete waste of space-yet,he steps up this one time,with a young girl and lives his dreams. Now he’s given up and reconciled himself;or has he??

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  5. The BIGGEST mystery is why women wonder *gee whiz why did he cheat boohoo?* when the woman is a nagging heifer.

    slim and sweet is too hard to beat

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  6. “The cavernous, devouring maw of a hungry vagina knows no surcease”.

    It is the End Time, fellow Chateau denizens.

    It is the time of folly, of orgies, of worship of False Idols.

    Enjoy your brief time on this orb, and pine not for the empty gaze of ungrateful women.

    Take your pleasure where you will, and society be damned.

    Die Free Men, and slake your thirst where you will, but take heed of the steep price of the marriage bed.

    Beneficium accipere libertatem est vendere…..

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  7. on November 17, 2010 at 2:18 pm Ascending Alpha

    Roissy’s 4 categories are spot on, more women should read this.

    I agree with B that you should do the opposite post for women cheating on men. (even though I know he will basically just say don’t be beta)

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  8. Don’t be too hard on “repentent male.” 20+ years of marriage and family is a completly different set of circumstances than a girl friend. A real man will lay down his life for his children so suffering a flawed wife is minor in the scheme of things.

    Besides, according to him his wife got the message and is responding. Odds are when the kids are grown and move out, he’ll divorce her and get a new squeeze.

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  9. on November 17, 2010 at 2:23 pm lover of women

    problem is women today have no context ..to be able to judge correctly content of life… I had a “great life with career friends sports ect” a woman runs that line or crap with me …out she goes..not interested.. WHY? ..because thats the I can have it all thinking ..selfish ..me me me..

    My thinking had been that of a trailblazer yet now worthwhile men collectively – alpha.. beta ..whatever .. are saying screw that ..you dedicate yourself to me first.. Ive got the power..Who is John Galt?

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  10. on November 17, 2010 at 2:26 pm French Connection

    If you are in a relationship, and your significant other is not finding emotional/sexual fulfillment with you, they will eventually find it somewhere else. Don’t buy a car you can’t afford to run.

    Can’t wait for GBFM on this one.

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  11. hahahah “I feel like I’m a hamster in a wheel, running on the same path making the same mistakes over and over again.”

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  12. on November 17, 2010 at 2:32 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    When we remove people from their neighborhoods and put them anonymously into cities, we don’t have a context with which to judge them. We don’t know parents, exes or reputations. All we get is what the person “presents” which is often phony. So this is what happened. You want to live in the city singles scene, deal with it.

    Beyond that, boy this woman is a long winded, annoying drama queen:

    “It’s all going great and I’m healthy and confident and good.” She really needed all those “ands” in that sentence? Give me a break with this breathlessness. Too cutesy. I’d be cheating too with someone who wrote like this.

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  13. The beta reply to the slattern requesting help is telling.
    Downtrodden, gelded, scourged day in and day out….
    he has no place to run, a beaten dog locked in a shed.

    Would you be that bedraggled creature? Or would you be the proud, lean silent wolf on the hill above the mistress’ house, the mistress whom the poor wretch serves every hour of his beaten, soul-burned existence?

    The whipping-boy begs for scraps after his mistress has taken her fill.

    Good boy! Here’s some gristle and fat for you!

    On the hill, the wolf watches the sad play unfold below. Hungry, yet satisfied, the wolf feeds when he can, and serves no one.

    Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.

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  14. on November 17, 2010 at 2:42 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    For some reason women take for granted the committed man. After they have taken him for granted they lose the tingle and then start to turn of the sexual spicket. And while they think they are getting away with this, they actually aren’t….

    Because any man with options is going to get tired of fighting for the pussy and start looking elsewhere.

    The bottom line is:

    “A man is only as faithful as his options.”

    -Chris Rock

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  15. on November 17, 2010 at 2:42 pm lover of women

    days

    not only bad writing but 95% prob it is an inaccurate self assessment by her

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  16. on November 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfm t-shirt #72:

    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”

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  17. “I get angry at sexist jokes”

    Ah. There’s the problem — this guy’s a mangina. No wonder his old lady won’t put out.

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  18. Further to Point #3 – Women are incorrigible self-inflicting sufferers of DOD syndrome, otherwise known as ‘Delusions of Desireability’.

    They are incapable of assessing themselves critically with respect to their accurate place and ranking within the mating marketplace. They surround themselves with enablers (stupid friends, celibate manginas, boomer parents, magazines, etc.) who constantly dish out compliments and make them feel like they deserve it. ‘Because I’m worth it!’, has become more than a make-up advertising jingle – these naive souls honestly believe they deserve the best and then suffer the inevitable consequences: cheating, rejection, cadding, etc.

    Men, having the responsibility for initiating sexual relations, have a lifetime’s of experience in where they rank. In fact, the whole concept of game revolves around breaking out of where you are, and improving on ways in which women respond to you. Unless devilishly daring and jacked full of self-confidence, most men won’t shoot too far out of their league because they can realistically sense impending rejection. This is a reality that you can’t shame or legislate away.

    On a related point – have you ever heard average women lament how ‘Guys don’t like to be approached or hit on’?

    This is a hilarious extension of the same principle. Of course guys don’t like getting hit on – by ugly/fat girls. It’s awkward, because you can tell you’re crushing their delicate little egos. if you want to attract men, don’t get fat, don’t become a shrill fembot lawyercunt – and rediscover your flirty feminine wiles that men respond to.

    News alert: men like feminine women!

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  19. Welp, I guess I know what I’ll be doing to my husband after work

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  20. @B. See this blog, i.e., everything.

    As for girls going through option #2, well, that’s their choice. And there’s been tons of digital ink spilled pointing this out to former hot chicks as they hit the wall, you could’ve been with nice provider betas when you were hot. Where is your god now? Screw ’em…or take a page from G-man’s book and learn what it means to “party” (Roosh talked about coke game, right?)

    I think options 3 and 4 are basically offshoots of #1.

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  21. Eight words for a woman’s marriage success (from Tom Leykis):

    “Stay Thin, Long Hair, Sex Anytime, Shut UP!”

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  22. she should probably just not date for a while. and then find an upper-beta guy who actually wants marriage and kids in his future (or at least something monogamous). maybe she’s dating a bunch of young dudes who aren’t ready for any kind of commitment. she should probably try to pay more attention to those signs. and then when she finds someone who actually wants to be monogamous #1 #1 #1 him lots.

    #4 is the one that sucks for chicks..which is why she should find a guy who has been around the block and that urge isn’t such a priority anymore. wait, that might be a myth. damn.

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  23. Why women cheat:

    1. Their boyfriends/husbands suck in the sack.

    2. Their boyfriends/husbands bend over to every whim. They wouldn’t have a clue how to lead the world if it suddenly went blind, let alone themselves.

    3. Their boyfriends/husbands feel inferior and grateful to be with their women.

    4. Their boyfriends play WOW instead of playing with them.

    I’ve never cheated for the record, but those are grounds if I ever heard them. 🙂

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  24. Zammo,

    You didn’t read an earlier post?……

    Your perfect bride…a SEXBOT!! lol!!!

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  25. As for “Stay Thin, Long Hair, Sex Anytime, Shut UP!”, I think that another set of maxims for girls would be helpful. Read Krauser’s advice for the deluded (or Roissy’s advice to his hypothetical daughter), don’t be a ho. In this case, hamster girl may have been to eager to jump into relationships/bed.

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  26. Sadly for women who think there might be hope, I don’t think your four reasons are quite right. #2 and #4 are dead on, of course. But #1 and #3, while both sounding good at first glance, aren’t totally true.

    My quibble with #1 is that while a man (with options) might cheat on a pig sooner than he will cheat on a hottie, the cheating is still inevitable either way. A wife being fat or frigid may offer a good excuse, but if he’s a guy with options and opportunity, the excuse part is really just gravy.

    I have the same issue with #3. There’s an old saying, “Show me a really hot woman and I’ll show you a guy who’s bored of f*cking her.” Examples of this, especially in Hollywood, are endless. In my own case, while I won’t claim my wife is a 10, she’s still a very attractive girl and most women I “date” are actually not as hot as she is. No lie. That’s because it’s more about the sheer variety than about “trading up.”

    Mind you, if a girl dates a beta 5 instead of an alpha 10, then indeed the chances that her beau will be faithful radically increase. But that has nothing to do with her aiming too high and dating out of her league (as suggested in Reason #3.) Whether she’s a 5 or whether she’s a 10, the results will be similar. An alpha’s gonna be a dog (thank you very much) whether his woman is ultra hot or fairly ordinary.

    Here’s my own list of reasons for why women get cheated on:

    1. They hooked up with a guy who has options instead of hooking up with a loser that no other woman would want.

    End of list.

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  27. oh right, mschro, another piece of advice, don’t date younger guys…or rather, guys younger than you…sorry, SATC cougs.

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  28. @roissy

    “4. Men like variety. Women have no control over this. Men are programmed to enjoy the hunt, and to experience pleasure from a multitude of pussy”

    Word.

    “men with options are able to fulfill that desire.”

    True until they’re ~36, when options begin to diminish. Not drastically, but that seems to be top of the slope.

    “The best women can do to counter this manly impulse is to be young and hot.”

    Or appeal to manly instincts that transcend sexual desire and cross your fingers. Men who come from stable families give better odds. Good luck.

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  29. Er, “AND appeal to manly instincts that transcend &c.”

    If women let themselves go, they are asking for trouble.

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  30. I go with out of her league. Telling clues: “I feel really happy and fulfilled in all areas outside of my love life – career, family, friends, sports etc etc. It’s all going great and I’m healthy and confident and good.”

    Translation: I am at least 20 lbs overweight, at best a 5-6, men can do better than me. I’m just not that hot. I am also over 35.

    A woman who is beautiful knows it, and leads off with that every time in various ways. A woman who is not, leads off with other things.

    Her problem is that she has little value in the sexual marketplace for a committed long term relationship with the Alpha A holes she craves. Solution? Either accept that and be cheated on or trade down to an older guy, divorced, with kids, who wants mostly companionship not sex. She is a depreciating asset, going to near worthlessness, rapidly. Her best bet was finding a higher beta guy at age 23 or so, marrying him at 25, and doing so in the knowledge she’s maximizing her long term value; or playing the field knowing she’ll be cheated on to maximize her short-term tingles.

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  31. My wife is tall, blond, and was a solid 8 when we married over a decade ago. As her age increased she has maintained her facial beauty quite well. However, recently she has put on some weight. Due to her height, it has not affected her face, shoulders, etc, but it has widened her rear and produced some FUPA. I am not happy with this and have changed shaming tactics recently that have been more effective than my initial kid glove efforts.

    Where I used to take an overall health approach to dropping hints that change in her weight was needed, I’m now viciously ridiculing all fat people every chance I get. This is especially true when watching women on TV. My comments are cold, hurtful, and unapologetic. They are designed to destroy all the excuses women use for their fatty fat justifications (age, child-birthing, medical, etc etc).

    It’s working. She’s stopped whining about my supposed callousness with this “problem”. After I make a few remarks about some cow on a show, she’ll go put her ipod on and start exercising around the house. Good results are now starting to show.

    My point in telling this is that a previous poster was spot on. As she started to gain weight, I found myself more and more eye-balling other women and mentally considering the idea of cheating on her. This is a problem for several reasons, including the fact that I consider myself a man of Christian faith. Nevertheless, the fat on a woman’s body is just as unattractive to me as I’m sure it is to my secular brothers.

    Take heed ladies. Keep yourselves in shape and I’m confident that it will be much easier for your man to stay loyal. I don’t expect my wife to look how she did at 21, but I’m not going to pretend that her gaining weight doesn’t turn me off.

    Hat-tip to Roissy for the recent post on the need for public shaming of our ever expanding population.

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  32. on November 17, 2010 at 3:15 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Men like variety. Women have no control over this.

    Even genuinely nice guys, guys who like kids and puppies, guys who are loyal to their friends, guys who are honest in their business dealings, guys who choke up when they hear a sad story, even they want to bang other chicks.

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  33. Don’t forget the number one reason men were “cheating” on her: she is a whore. In her letter, she copped to taking four cocks in two years. That means slutty whorish missuckalot actually gobbled up around eight juicy dicks. In two years!

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  34. I’m currently cheating on my two younger girlfriends with a wonderfully hot call girl. I’m ugly enough that I can’t pull down a girl that hot more than once a year or so. When I’m lucky. This arrangement is much more satisfactory.

    Am I beta? Alpha? Fuck you. That’s what I am.

    But I’m going to come in on the side of “repentant male.” I’m sympathetic. There are more important things than sex.

    The problem, as is often the problem in Roissy’s posts, is that his analysis of the human condition is Stoic in its rather deterministic explanation of human behavior (I mean the school of thought). That is where a lot of Roissy’s brilliance comes from. His shamelessness is also Stoic — it’s directly in the tradition of Diogenes.

    However, Roissy is only pseudo-Stoic. His worship of sexual pleasure as the ultimate good is juvenile more than anything else. He strikes me as an inexperienced (I don’t mean coitus) and unreflective human being. It robs many of his otherwise brilliant arguments of the persuasiveness that they could otherwise have.

    “Repentant male” has chosen family over good sex. That’s not an insane choice, and the pleasures of family are immense. He doesn’t fit easily into Roissy’s hierarchy (Alpha, Beta, etc.). Repentant male can get better sex when he decides to, but choses not to.

    Roissy’s hierarchy (which is so famous now that a girl brought it up on a date with me two or three weeks ago) is flawed for exactly this reason. It’s dualistic. Is a man Alpha because he has the qualities that attract women, or is he Alpha because women are attracted to him? I think Roissy’s answer is clearly the second, while mine would be the first. A man of Alpha qualities is attractive to women because women are programmed by evolution to know what’s truly important in a man.

    Back to my harem.

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  35. My guess is this girl is about a 5 or a 6. She’s handy for a convenience fuck (notice she didn’t confirm whether she banged the ‘fling’ guy) and since she so together with her life has probably assumed the role of provider for herself and any guy ready to use her resources in exchange for tolerating her mediocre sexuality. I knew a lot of “up and coming rockstar” asshole musicians and “future snowboard champions” who’d gladly put up with fucking a chubby 6 so long as she was paying the rent.

    Also, notice she never goes into detail about her own sexuality. We don’t know one detail about how she was in bed with these guys. It’s all “guys just cheat on me”, no mention of how her LTRs / STRs progressed.

    Women like this are gravely misguided in thinking that their personal conditions, professionalism, career status, self-image, etc. are in anyway prime attractors for men. None of that is an aphrodisiac ladies. All your man-like provisioning wont secure a man’s fidelity unless he has no other recourse.

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  36. on November 17, 2010 at 3:17 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Even the most beautiful women get cheated on. Women out of their league are more likely to be cheated on, but beauty is no guarantee, especially when dating the most alpha of alpha men.

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  37. The more my sweetie takes good care of me (betas me…in the right way and with the right intensity), the more I WANT to give him oral pleasure! Strange but true! I told you all, beta qualities are not allllllll negative. You’ve just got to know when, to whom and how to apply them. For a woman to keep her man the man’s got to know how to contribute to their mutual success. It’s been allll good! hehe!! He’s my sweet beta and alpha!

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  38. @Rollo

    “Women like this are gravely misguided in thinking that their personal conditions, professionalism, career status, self-image, etc. are in anyway prime attractors for men.”

    Exactly right. They’re probably better indicators of how women feel about their SMV relative to other women. Women are anxious, jealous, and competitive in a much more emotionally invested way than men.

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  39. Sure there is no guarantee, but its a lot harder to cheat on a young wife who works to stay in shape , provides food and sex, and is very sweet. I do have options, and there are temptations, but I just can’t do it. The only thing I could complain about is variety and lack her of being an eternal 21 year old. I probably would have cheated on a bitch, but so far it seems a young Russian wife has been a cure for some time. How do you do it to someone who has done everything right? So of course there are some things women can do.

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  40. Thanks for doing the math, Ches. This girl did 4-8 guys in two years. She’s like yesterday’s LJBF, getting toasted for jumping all in too quickly.
    I am reminded of Joey Pant’s response to Tony Soprano after he killed that hottie…”A. She was a whhhoooore.”

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  41. Wonder why I always refer to my one and only sweetie pie here, is because I know my girl friends (accept for 1..and she’s the best) are allll jealous. The less I say to them the better the relationship remains. At least here, I can scream out loud my love for him. AND….I can share with you alll about the positives of betahood! AND I am not denying the effectiveness of alphahood too.

    I have to say…I AM lucky.

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  42. on November 17, 2010 at 3:50 pm lover of women

    chi town ..very true..a man who has integrity and discipline will surely work to control his desires or create his personal life in a way that cant possibly affect his family ..

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  43. askjoe

    I am reminded of Joey Pant’s response to Tony Soprano after he killed that hottie…”A. She was a whhhoooore.”

    damn, that was such a fine piece of ass, I actually remember her – that dumbazz stripper, right?

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  44. what proves it, bitches love preselected men. She stays with him because she knows he could fuck one of her friends in an instant, betahood isn’t the reason why you like him, u like him cause your friends do. Yay women.

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  45. @TMAN

    Roissy’s an Epicurean, maybe. This place is like a hetero Satyricon.

    I’ve been married for fifteen years. She was a 9 when we married and is still holding up great as an 8. We have kids. Roissy goes off the rails a bit when he assumes marriage is essentially dyadic. It isn’t. When you marry, to say nothing of having kids, your life becomes more of a public than a private project. Even if you’re Alpha.

    So a woman who wants her husband to remain faithful could also, in addition to staying as hot and generous as possible, assist and praise his desire to build a project bigger than himself. That way, he’s not merely married to an individual woman (who ages, degrades, etc), but to a larger, worthy, constructive project. There are rewarding pleasures in building that kind of thing. You’re creating the future. Men should feel no need to apologize for such pleasures, especially as they age.

    When a guy in that kind of marriage cheats, however many options he has, (and I have them myself), he not only betrays his wife, he betrays the whole family.

    Think about it, killer.

    That said, selfish harpies, disgusting fat cows, spiteful nags, and calculating hypergams all get what they deserve.

    TMAN and all you single guys out there are perfectly free to knock yourselves out. It’s an absolute free for all.

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  46. on November 17, 2010 at 3:59 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Girls get cheated and then wonder how someone who seemed so great could possibly cheat. It’s because men who cheat are great. Men who cheat have options. High quality men have options, and like many things in life, quality in one area correlates with quality in other areas.

    Just like the same women who are beautiful are also more likely to be nurturing and neurotic. Men who are dominant, good with children and loyal to their friends are also more likely to be promiscuous. Promiscuity is a sign of quality in a man. Girls who get cheated on more are just better at getting high quality men to stick with them longer. They should feel proud; other girls are stuck with men who have no other options.

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  47. on November 17, 2010 at 4:04 pm Professor Woland

    Even alpha men will slow down with time. Not only do the looks and hormones begin to taper off but quite often there are other competitors involved, namely children, that take away from resources such as money and time. A good accomodation for this is to marry a younger woman.

    In todays perpetual dating scene where marriage is no guarantee of fidelity or financial security, this can help in situations where the men are not holding all the cards. (at 50 I am speaking as one of the older contributors on this posting) This in turn can lead to a more stable succesful relationship where both sides get what they want. Quite often, relationships where the people are roughly the same age, the men will outlast the women in the looks and career department. This leads to situations where the guy is just coming into his own when the women is accellerating on the downside of the curve.

    If your only goal is to get laid, then eventually time will rob the men as well. In the end, only the bull elks will breed while the lesser alphas and betas will be eased out of the dating market the same way their female contemporaries were a decade or two before. The answer here if you are a guy is make a lot of money.

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  48. despite all her rage she’s still just a hamster in a wheel?

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  49. that’s the one…she was smoking hot.

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  50. Classic beta switch game by guy #3 in the woman’s letter.

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  51. This guy has reaquainted himself with young, hot, tight, pussy. It won’t be long now until he strays again.

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  52. I love it when you guys tell me what to do.

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  53. Feh’s Field Guide to Female Fuck-Ups

    brainless shoppers
    disgusting fat cows
    chronic nags
    cold fish
    sad sacks
    selfish harpies
    calculating hypergams
    invincible narcissists
    screaming banshees
    pea princesses
    dopers

    Learn to spot them. Pump and dump, or avoid.

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  54. Feh’s Field Guide to Female Fuck-Ups (cont.)

    control freaks
    tiresome little intriguers
    manhaters

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  55. “Whether she’s a 5 or whether she’s a 10, the results will be similar. An alpha’s gonna be a dog (thank you very much) whether his woman is ultra hot or fairly ordinary.”
    -Riff Dogg

    Very true, my man, very true.

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  56. on November 17, 2010 at 4:51 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “aoefe

    Why urinals cheat:

    1. Their boyfriends/husbands suck in the urinal.

    2. Their boyfriends/husbands bend over to every whim. They wouldn’t have a clue how to flush the urinal if it suddenly went to manual mode, let alone themselves.

    3. Their boyfriends/husbands feel inferior and grateful to be pee in their urinals.

    4. Their boyfriends play WOW instead of urinating on them.

    As a urinal I’ve never cheated for the record, but those are grounds if I ever heard them. :)”

    omg lozlzzllzzl!

    it is 2010!!

    i cannot believe you dc freakazoids are still talking to women?????

    you know how many cocks they’ve had in their mouths?? lzozlzlz!!

    you see that sperm dripping off her chin??

    and you’re worried about talking to her??

    do you know how the federal reserve /neocon machine has reprogrammed them to become useless cum dumpsters?

    a lawyer chick is first and foremost loyal to her boss, who is loyal to a fiat currency.

    of what use is she to you?

    so what if you neg her and pick her up and put some sperm on her/in her?

    worst case scenario she’ll have a kid and bankrupt you.

    best case scenario you won’t have to kiss her too long and taste teh man that came before you. get it? came before you.!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlz~!!!!

    any effort in strying to get cum dumpster to take your cum is wayyyyyyy too much effort.

    i mean do you try to get dumpsters to take your garbage by talkng to them and negging them?

    do you go up to a dumpster and say, You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    do you talk to the dumpster out back and say, “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.” before you throw the trash in it?

    do you talk you urinals before you relieve yourself in them?

    cumming is a biological function, like peeing.

    do you say this to a urinal, “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over?”

    do you guys neg urinals so as to get them to accept your pee?

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl!

    lozlzlzlzlzllooooooozeers!!!

    lozlzlzl!!

    i just took a piss in a urinal and implied my higher value with these eloquent words, ““You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.””

    lozzlzlzlzlzl! the other dude taking a piss looked at me with fear in his eyes. haha

    i looked at him and said, “beta dude–you’re lucky to even have a urinal i peed in just yesterday. lzozzlzlzllzzl!”

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  57. PJay, that was the gayest prose I’ve ever seen. You are really gay.

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  58. Riff-dog, you are too reductionist.

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  59. on November 17, 2010 at 5:08 pm lover of women

    Many have an immature view of what ALPHA means in human beings and or how important being or acting or showing yourself as an alpha is ..

    A weak selfish narcisstic fool who thinks words that come out of your mouth are only a means to an end ..is not ALPHA ..

    The lack of standards today ..George Clooney Brad Pitt as opposed to a Sean Connery John Wayne type is evidence of this ..imo (yes Im 50 ..and have known my share of 2’s and 10’s) ..it is not ever about what other people think

    An Alpha for me is a guy who can create an a great fun healthy environment .. control it .. keep it in order and get rid of any who threaten the basic health and harmony of the group ..not some delusional moron who thinks he can off with his dick and mouth half cocked because no one seems to be keeping score ..Alpha expect the best of themselves and others..not the worst

    @FEH – ur posts are right on ..the good stuff imo

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  60. Ikey,

    “what proves it, bitches love preselected men. She stays with him because she knows he could fuck one of her friends in an instant, betahood isn’t the reason why you like him, u like him cause your friends do. Yay women.”

    lol!!!! I could care less what my friends say. You could believe what you want. I LOVE him because he is a beta, a bloody good one. Also because he is bloody good alpha too. As for fucking others…..lol!!! there are never any guarantees in any relationships There are always risks to everything and if I focus ONLY on that I will be FUCKED!

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  61. on November 17, 2010 at 5:26 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfm t-shirt #72=3:

    woman: “why do men cheat on me?””
    gbfm: “because you like 2 date meen who cehat on you lzozo”
    woman: “Why is my anuth sore?”
    gbfm: “because you like to date asscokers lzozlzl”
    woman: “Why was my assocking secrtely taped?”
    gbfm: “becvause you like to date the heroic neocon secrteiev tapers of buitthex lzozlzl who the weekly standandth told you were six feet tall zlozzllz”
    woman: “why am i thirty with no husband?”
    gbfm: “because you gave your best young hot tigt years to cheating asscokers zlzolzzzollo”
    woman: (as she gets assocked by two men & cum on by one) “where have all teh good men gone?”
    gbfm: “wat? i cant’t unsdteratnd you. take the cock out of your mouth and ask again please thanks!”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “Why do i keep getting assocked?”
    gbfm: because you keep beinding over infornt of assockers and let the asscock you zlozlzlzlzl
    woman: “why are all men assholes?”
    gbfm: “because that is the only kind of man you allow to cock your asshole zlozlzlzoz”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”
    woman: “why do i date assholes who cheat on me?”
    gbfm: “because assholes who cheat on you tingle your gina and anuth holes lzozlzlzo.”

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  62. on November 17, 2010 at 5:55 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/a-chateau-emissary-delivers-speech-to-international-bankers/#comments

    lzozoolzlzlzlzlzoozzlozlz zlzozozo butthextxghxtye

    Greatbooksformen – Comment 6 8 lyrics
    soulles wives who are more loyal to MTV and their MBA boss than their huband and kids–to get the fembot government agents to spy on tehir husbnds lzozlzlzlzlzl
    lozlzl it rmeinds me of teh ancient mariner–water water everywhere and not a drop to drink as its all tainted with salt.
    lzozllzl and now we livehere–womenz womenz everyehwere, and lotsa ass to lick, but no soul to hold lxolxllzozlzlllzl as its all tainted with butthex entitlement lzolzl

    http://www.supload.com/listen?s=denRM8

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  63. Good amendments Riff Dog.

    Actually I think American women should worry a lot less about their men cheating, for reasons you allude to. So long that is as her husband or LTR is being discrete and still emotionally and sexually connected and attentive to her, as his mate. If so what’s the big deal?

    Men are polygamous. So long as a man’s LTR is staying attractive for her age, including emotionally attractive, men at least with children rarely leave their mates. What really is such a big deal about his having affairs that don’t alienate HIS affection for his wife? Isn’t it all American feminist hysteria? A dogmatic “fair is fair” mantra? (This goes back as a militant belief to first wave feminism and the suffragettes. Women before and in many other countries hardly loved their husbands cheating but especially if they were successful and had status, did rather expect it after a number of years.)

    It’s different with women. They’re naturally serially monogamous rather than polygamous. After a number of years into marriage and after children women often have decreased libido for their husband. It can be rekindled if he’s alpha towards her. However if she has a deeply satisfying sexual affair with another man that’s likely to completely dissolve her sexual feelings for her husband. This makes her eventually divorcing him much more likely, even if the man she had her first affair with won’t leave his wife or isn’t suitable husband material. She’ll want to and believe she can search out a fresh new serial monogamy once separated and divorced.

    When a woman cheats it kills HER sexual attraction to her husband, or there’s a big risk of that with most women. The sexes are different in this. It’s a wiring thing.

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  64. on November 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    doug1: “Men are polygamous. ”

    yah fuctard men are alo loyal honorable faithful if they want to be.

    you get to choose desitiny you fuctards.

    but too many of you act like woemzne lzozllzlz

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  65. Sure we can put down a list of why and how we can prevent others from cheating on us, but in fact REAL LIFE…..there aren’t any guarantees. The whole thing is simply to do your best to give, care, respect, understand, tease, and more tease (tingle him/her), communicate, take good care of yourself, DON’T TAKE PEOPLE FOR GRANTED etc…..and deal with, not avoid whatever comes your way. It’s about prevention. There are no certainties, only probabilities.

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  66. Most of the letter writer’s examples don’t even qualify as cheating. Just because you went on a few dates, or a four-hour coffee date, a guy is supposed to forsake all other women? Nowhere does she say any of them agreed to mutual exclusivity.

    And you answering a booty call is the equivalent of the guy cheating? Slut, what planet are you from?

    The only example that comes close is the first one because she was apparently living with the guy. But newsflash to her: shacking up isn’t the same as marriage, and there isn’t any real “commitment” outside of marriage. That’s why women in the old days generally didn’t slut it up before marriage or engagement.

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  67. Tman–

    It’s dualistic. Is a man Alpha because he has the qualities that attract women, or is he Alpha because women are attracted to him?

    The former, which results in and is also demonstrated by the later.

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  68. Anyone have this girl’s number?

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  69. Feh–

    When a guy in that kind of marriage cheats, however many options he has, (and I have them myself), he not only betrays his wife, he betrays the whole family.

    Only because American feminist culture tells the wife she must divorce him to retain her self respect, no matter how discreet he was, or how connected and committed to her and his children he still is. Or at least she’s told by the current American culture she “shouldn’t stand for it” and create huge and lasting emotional drama and then after a long period of distance and needing to be won back ever so slowly, issuing a dire and heartfelt threat that if he ever does it again ….

    This is how it works in many other cultures and in our own pre feminism.

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  70. *This isn’t how it works…

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  71. on November 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfm t-shirt #83:

    americvan woman: “why do i get asscocked very time i let a cock in my ass?”
    gbfm: “lzozllzl”

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  72. There is a unexamined paradox at work in #1, though.

    Many women of course know that if they do not please their man that he’ll look for sex elsewhere. This is not terribly surprising. But a paradox arises on the other side of the coin.

    In her efforts to inoculate a man from the charms of other women by fucking the desire out of him, a girl often works to the opposite end.

    Assuming he’s in good health, rather than entirely exhausting him, she’s only succeeded in increasing both his desire for sex with other women AND increasing his attractiveness to them, thereby making it EASIER for him to stray.

    When a guy’s testicles are undergoing a high rate of churn due to consistent sex with a hot woman, his free testosterone levels will go up, he’ll be more alpha, aloof, confident and self-satisfied, as well as perpetually horny, secure in the knowledge that there’s a hot girl willing to take his cock. He has a boner safety net from which to take bigger risks in seducing other women.

    These factors combine to make him even more attractive to women than he would be if he was single and getting through a dry spell by masturbating. Women instinctively know when a man is getting sex and it makes them more interested in that man.

    So the lesson for women is this: all things being equal, you CAN’T fuck your man into compliance and fidelity. You’ll only actually increase his desire and ability to fuck other women by attempting it. Some throttling and retrenchment to coyness is required.

    He may be momentarily too exhausted to go out poonhounding at the bars at 2 am after you’ve serviced him a number of times, but make no mistake about it, his endocrine system is going to come back with a vengeance, and every other woman that isn’t you — even including less beautiful ones than yourself — will be preferred targets. Its pretty easy to pick up cute baristas for side flings and first-date fucks when you’ve got post-sex euphoria coursing through your veins combined with the secure knowledge that if she says no (unlikely) you can count on your doting girl to take care of business because she’s so scared you’ll stray that she will sink into depravity to please you.

    Talk to any man that has fucked multiple mutually unbeknownst girlfriends in a day and he’ll admit that while it is physically taxing and sperm-depleting, its pretty much life’s ultimate pleasure, and he’d do it again, because the self-satisfied aura of a man getting lots of pussy from lots of women is undeniable.

    Its God’s perfect boner-feedback loop.

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  73. I know men that don’t cheat even though they have the opportunity. It is called having character. Obviously that quality is rare around these parts.

    I agree that men are wired to seek variety of females but humans also have the ability to think and control their animals spirits. The ability to control oneself builds character and is a very useful skill.

    The author laments the decline of virtuous, feminine, caring, loving women and yet he counsels men that nothing matters other than getting laid. I guess modern men are getting what they deserve with modern feminists.

    What a vile person Roissy must be to castigate the man for trying to work out the problems in his marriage for the sake of his children.

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  74. on November 17, 2010 at 7:04 pm lover of women

    cmon ..thats not true..at all..if you had to guess did Don Corleone cheat..use prostitutes ..no it was is spoiled eldest son..almost alpha..

    neither did Michael

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  75. on November 17, 2010 at 7:12 pm lover of women

    to justify ur own weakness is delusional .. there REALLY are men – who lead.. say what they mean ..and mean what they say..

    and make the environment they are in BETTER..

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  76. “In her efforts to inoculate a man from the charms of other women by fucking the desire out of him, a girl often works to the opposite end”

    By George (or Patrick) I think he’s right! I do think women are more attracted to men who they percieve as able to get laid easily (and often). I for whatever sick reason am one of those chickies, I’m wanting my man to be only for me of course, but like knowing others want him. I have am going to have to scale back my own drive however, this will take some effort and the ability to delay my own gratification. I’m a girl…so unlikely. 😉

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  77. 5) Because of the Coolidge effect.

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  78. aoefe —

    Best of luck with the gratification delaying.

    That ‘sick reason’ is called sexual selection. Should you conceive a son by your womanizing cad, he’s got a good chance to be a ladykiller as well, thereby increasing your genetic legacy.

    What mom DOESN’T want a little Casanova?

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  79. Either accept that and be cheated on or trade down to an older guy, divorced, with kids, who wants mostly companionship not sex. She is a depreciating asset, going to near worthlessness, rapidly.

    Co-sign. I saw a picture of my ex recently that she put up on fb. Five years older can do a lot to a woman. She was hot when I met her; now she’s a mudshark. Ditto with this broad. She had her chance in college to marry a nice reliable guy. Now she’s blown it. To the young ladies in the audience: take a look at the average 35 -40 year old broad. Not a pretty sight. Fat, entitled piglet-princess/mudshark. There’s a reason why you’re at max fertility in your early twenties.

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  80. “What mom DOESN’T want a little Casanova?”

    one who has been burned by an old one and takes out her anger at him on her son.

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  81. “I agree that men are wired to seek variety of females but humans also have the ability to think and control their animals spirits. The ability to control oneself builds character and is a very useful skill.”

    by that yardstick even the hobo on the street has more character than a high-society woman.

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  82. “Or is the brief window of opportunity to enjoy your so-called “alpha male” fucking so divinely wonderful that women can happily bask in its memorable glow for a lifetime….wait, that’s certainly not it, as evidenced by the myriad of women who’ve supposedly “hit the wall” crying about how they can’t have the alpha cock anymore. ”

    It’s the only long term memory that women’s characters can make. Cue the crying.

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  83. on November 17, 2010 at 8:02 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfm t-shirt #89:

    american woman: “why doesmy anuth get easier and less valuable every time i allow a large quantity of cocks in it?”
    ben bernake: “why is the dollar worth less every time i let a large quantity of quantitivae easing/money printing out da butthole?”
    gbfm: “econ 101 peeps–qunatitiave easing devalued both the fiat dollar and da woman’s butthole whihc is why neocons promote assocking as it transfers wealth 2 da rich via the welfare preemeptive war atetste against gbuttholes zlozzl.”

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  84. on November 17, 2010 at 8:02 pm strikeforcemorituri

    This is too funny considering that Eva Longoria who used to be so hot is now divorcing Tony Parker. This is a woman who is fairly decent in the looks department, acts on a major TV show and has her face plastered all over TV for makeup and hair commercials. Supposedly she’s more than enough for him right?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/erin-barry-tony-parkers-c_n_785119.html

    I”m remembering a conversation I had with a delusional girlfriend of mine that was so happy because they seemed so perfect together. I just remember just rolling my eyes and saying “He’ll be tapping some other ass soon enough.”

    Women definitely shoot for out of their league and I’ve seen plenty of them that only go for assholes. With a combination like that what the hell do they expect?

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  85. on November 17, 2010 at 8:13 pm strikeforcemorituri

    Looks like she wants alimony too..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/eva-longoria-and-tony-par_2_n_785136.html

    I think the lesson here is if you decide to get married you better have a rock solid Prenup.

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  86. Why do women get cheated on? Because it’s possible and a man cannot have too much pussy.

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  87. So, maybe some guys are just cads…or too high value? I think of Pierce Brosnan as being the only person who we should feel empathy for, right? The guy who cheated on Eva, not so much?

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  88. @Doug1

    I forgot to add that he betrays his own word and thereby betrays himself.  

    Wife hysteria, yes, I’ve seen enough of it and agree, given your scenario’s precise conditions, that it could be at best overwrought and at worst hypocritical.  But pining for a general extramarital latitude (“I am faithful in my fashion”) sounds a lot like trying to rationalize something away.  

    The latitudinarian culture you describe is called France. It sure is pretty.  Maybe American men are becoming French.

    I hear the poster above who likes walking around fully juiced.  Another good feeling is knowing that however much women want you, you are the one who controls whether there’ll be any action.  That’s also a source of swagger, and it can happen alongside a mutually recognized sexual subtext.  Women who’ve been around long enough to sort men from boys recognize this situation.

    It’s revealing to see how they respond.

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  89. WHY men ‘cheat’ is ultimately irrelevant. (If it matters, I’d choose #4…I was living with a Vegas showgirl and I must’ve cheated on her nine times, she was usually ‘hotter’ than the other girls, but they were ‘newer’.) Women can argue and wring their hands over it until the sun goes nova.

    What women can DO, so they don’t end up writing sob stories to advice columnists, is:

    A) Bet on it happening, no matter what they look like or do…Elizabeth f**king Hurley got cheated on, for fuck’s sake.

    B) Psychologically/emotionally train themselves to take the ‘painful betrayal’ out of the equation, because answering nature’s call isn’t really a betrayal. It’s something the man does for himself, rather than TO her.

    C) If/when he ‘cheats’, SHE gets to cheat. End of story. No double standards. Hell, introduce your new partners to each other and swap ’em, instead of lying/cheating/fighting
    and playing detective all the time.

    Hopefully more women will open up to polyamory over time instead of endlessly crying foul over cheating.

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  90. Eva Longoria seeking alimony after a three year long marriage, when she’s a highly paid TV and movie actress is outrageous. Yeah as a 7 year younger (French North African) NBA player he might make more money. Well even in California she’s unlikely to get more than 1.5 years of it.

    After ten years alimony is generally for life in Cali these days. This is a fairly recent win of feminists there, as a country guideline in LA and Orange counties, and maybe some others. Feminists and the divorce industry just keep making marriage worse and worse for men.

    Don’t marry. He wisely didn’t marry her for the first four years they were together. He never should have caved.

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  91. @KK, @ Doug1

    I have to agree with coping rather than driving oneself crazy wondering if/when/why he will or won’t cheat. It’ll drive a woman crazy.

    In general, if a woman wants a man, there’s at least another one who wants him, too. Triple that if she won a sought after man…

    Unfortunately, the idea that a man may stray but as long as he comes back to you… is relevant here. I think as long as it’s A. infrequent B. cushioned by him treating you publicly and with loved ones as the most important to him and C. no lack of attention emotionally and physically- it can be acceptable.

    I just worry though about the risk of STDs and outside pregnancies.

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  92. K.K.–

    C) If/when he ‘cheats’, SHE gets to cheat. End of story. No double standards. Hell, introduce your new partners to each other and swap ‘em, instead of lying/cheating/fighting
    and playing detective all the time.

    Yes double standards. Hell yes. Especially if there are minor children of the marriage. Because the sexes are different.

    Her cheating is likely to lead to HER divorcing him after awhile, due to a loss of all sexual attraction to her husband before long — which women typically backdate as already having happened before she cheated. Female rationalization hampster. (Whereas it’s usually just a diminishment before she cheats, after the newly in love chemicals dissipate and the relationship enters the bonded but not shining new stage.)

    His cheating is far, far less likely to lead to him seeking divorce, particularly if there are minor children at home.

    There are sexual double standards all over the place, the overwhelming majority of them these days favoring women. Women typically get half or less the penalty men do for the same crime. They’re more likely to get off completely on similar evidence. Women have ALL the reproductive choice post intercourse. Men can’t require she take plan b or have an abortion, or give the child for adoption. On and on.

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  93. loverofwominn

    The God Father series was a work of FICTION.
    In real life, both the elder and younger Corleones had lots on the side. Even Micheals sister Connie used to suck his cock.
    If you don’t believe this, watch the 2nd movie really closely. It is all there.

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  94. Splash Daddy
    Don’t be too hard on “repentent male.” 20+ years of marriage and family is a completly different set of circumstances than a girl friend. A real man will lay down his life for his children so suffering a flawed wife is minor in the scheme of things.

    Besides, according to him his wife got the message and is responding. Odds are when the kids are grown and move out, he’ll divorce her and get a new squeeze.
    —–
    Well said, Daddy. Some of the youngsters and bachelors here are pretty clueless about what being a real man, as opposed to a “*cough* girly man *cough*” means when you have kids. One guy called me a “white knighter” for describing how harshly I would deal with any adult who seduced my 13-year-old daughter. Clearly the feelings and responsibilities that go with being the father of a young woman are alien to many who have not yet reached that stage in their lives.

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  95. Am I the only one here who considers that when cheating, even if using protection, there’s a high chance of contracting an STD? Whereas with a faithful girlfriend, that’s much less likely. It may be nice to get fresh pussy, but when find out you got AIDS from that ‘fresh pussy’ you suddenly wish you were faithful
    Just my 2 cents

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  96. @gbfm 4:51

    pity xtranormal doesn’t have a urinal option

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  97. on November 17, 2010 at 9:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Riff Dog
    1. They hooked up with a guy who has options instead of hooking up with a loser that no other woman would want.

    End of list.
    ”””””””

    ”””””There’s an old saying, “Show me a really hot woman and I’ll show you a guy who’s bored of f*cking her.” ”””””

    ””””’That’s because it’s more about the sheer variety than about “trading up.””””””

    Hell yea.

    Fuck I actually allready need a break. It is not personnal it is just every woman I spend a lot of time with I get tired of fucking. I don’t want to get rid of her but yea I do need a break not personnal just apparently my nature.

    ”””””””CR
    Men like variety. Women have no control over this. Men are programmed to enjoy the hunt, and to experience pleasure from a multitude of pussy, and men with options are able to fulfill that desire. The best women can do to counter this manly impulse is to be young and hot. ”””””

    That is it right there. All the fucking bullshit rules that are foisted on men who are too young to understand what the reality those rules are trying to destroy in him. They try to take away a mans choice at the time when he is vulnerable to being taken advantage off in the heated part of the relationship with a woman where he doesn’t want variety not knowing that the shit changes and variety comes back. So he promises shit based on how he feels NOW not knowing that no matter how great it is it is not going to last. Although the people who made up the stupid rules to fuck him up know exactly what is going to happen. Have an ltr fine but also tell the woman you gonna fuck other chicks.

    ”””””’on November 17, 2010 at 1:36 pm B.
    Roissy, can you give us some tips for why guys get cheated on? Or what to do to minimise the chances?
    ”””””
    Don’t even worry about it.

    Let your woman know if she wants to cheat go ahead but you ain’t staying with her.

    Make your bitch wear a camera 24/7 if it bothers you.

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  98. I’ve got a great Ukrainian wife. She gives me all the sex I want and is very sweet. I am attracted to other women but cheating is more trouble than it is worth and there are other things in life besides chasing women for its own sake.

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  99. on November 17, 2010 at 9:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’How do you do it to someone who has done everything right? So of course there are some things women can do.””””

    You don’t cheat you tell her when you are gonna fuck another chick.

    But you know guys are probably diferent so if it is working out for you what is the problem?

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  100. on November 17, 2010 at 10:04 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfnm t-shirt #92

    american woman: “ahwhh wahahah whahah! why do all men who i let asscock my asshole asscock my asshole? whaha! whahhahah! whahahah!!!”

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  101. on November 17, 2010 at 10:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Feh
    @Doug1

    I forgot to add that he betrays his own word and thereby betrays himself.
    ”””””

    That is why under no circumstances ever should a man promise a woman to only fuck her.

    It is unrealistic.

    Keep your options open.

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  102. @B, I think the best defense comes from portfolio diversification

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  103. on November 17, 2010 at 10:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course I have noticed that every time I am trying to accomplish something for myself some bitch comes into my life and I start accomplishing something for her.

    I need to break the cycle and accomplish shit for me.

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  104. B wrote on November 17, 2010 at 1:36 pm, “Roissy, can you give us some tips for why guys get cheated on?

    Women cheat because they can. Once the gina starts tingling it’s just a matter of time.

    B wrote, “Or what to do to minimise the chances?

    Dump her first.

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  105. Doug1 wrote, “After ten years alimony is generally for life in Cali these days. This is a fairly recent win of feminists there, as a country guideline in LA and Orange counties, and maybe some others. Feminists and the divorce industry just keep making marriage worse and worse for men.

    Before it was alimony for life, the 10 year point was when divorce settlements doubled for women in California. Husbands there start divorce negotiations after about eight years.

    Her lawyers string things out to run out the clock, at major $$ per hour. Which is a big win for the lawyers on both sides.

    Negotiations really get tense about 9.5 years in, but that’s just legal money down the rathole for the husband, as the best he can hope for is a lump-sum payment instead of a permanent drain.

    To give an example, look at how much Nicole Kidman, a multi-million $$ a year movie star in her own right, gouged out of Tom Cruise. That’s how bad things are.

    If a woman can’t get divorce in Britain (ask Paul McCartney about that), then California’s the next best place. I believe Tammy Faye Baker filed for divorce in California for just that reason.

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  106. Typical female moaning.

    If an average guy (<=5) got cheated on by his girlfriend, he might keep her for lack of other options. The male sex drive is very hard to ignore. Fucking a slut is better than being celibate. Just think how liberating that could be. Just use her without any guilt, and dump here when something better comes along. Just don't marry the slut.

    An average girl who gets cheated on can just go out and get other guys to fuck her. Sounds fair to her.

    I bet that woman thinks she is "chaste." Serially monogamy, those ladies call it.

    Just can't help thinking in Shakespeare:
    "How all occasions do inform against me…"

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  107. Feh

    True until they’re ~36, when options begin to diminish. Not drastically, but that seems to be top of the slope.

    How deep up your ass did you have to reach to come up with that nugget?

    Plenty of men on this forum will explain to you that you are either an idiot, or you don’t know about how to adjust your life and lifestyle and dating prospects such that young women will remain attracted to you in older age.

    Plenty of us older guys do it. You should pay heed. For many of our dating life didn’t even get properly started until 36.

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  108. Actually, I’m being harsh on you, Feh. I used to do travelling sales and one of my venues was in the student unions of college campuses. I eventually noticed my increasing age decreasing the flirtations I’d get.

    But even within the US and Canada, an older guy can date young girls. Once outside north america it gets quite a bit easier.

    It’s still unusual in Indonesia for a guy my age to date girls quite so young, but if you personally don’t consider it unusual, you’re strong frame can easily hold the day. It’s mostly a matter of just not thinking anything of it, and making the approaches, and then taking it from there.

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  109. Props to the guy asking for a booty call because his other woman wouldn’t put out on the first date. Balls, my friends.

    And yet, if she does put out, she would be considered a slut? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t…..

    Lena,
    I know men that don’t cheat even though they have the opportunity. It is called having character. Obviously that quality is rare around these parts.

    I agree that men are wired to seek variety of females but humans also have the ability to think and control their animals spirits. The ability to control oneself builds character and is a very useful skill.

    The author laments the decline of virtuous, feminine, caring, loving women and yet he counsels men that nothing matters other than getting laid….

    What a vile person Roissy must be to castigate the man for trying to work out the problems in his marriage for the sake of his children.

    Yep pretty much. That’s one of the things that bothers me the most about him and this blog. But I admit, he has his moments of brilliancy. And that coming here is like rubber-necking a car wreck.

    Doug1,
    You do know that husbands don’t always cheat due to lack of sex. In fact many times, they cheat because the mistress makes them feel appreciated, like a man, and they lend a listening ear. It’s not always about sex. Their opening themselves up to someone who isn’t their wife. And even if it is about sex, that doesn’t make it any better. How can you be DEVOTED to someone, and have sex with another person? But hey, call me old fashioned.

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  110. A female friend of mine in her late 30s used to tell me that she could usually tell which of the men that approached her in bars etc were married or had girlfriends.
    They were the guys that had the most confidence.

    It didn’t help her that she ended up fucking a series of single dudes that fucked her over , but that’s another story.

    When a male has the fallback of a wife or girlfriend to go home to and fuck , of course he is going to be more confident and pull out the stops in chasing new pussy , assuming he believes that we won’t get caught out.

    Also , alot of women , despite their hotness are not so great at sex.

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  111. “Doug1: “Men are polygamous. ”

    yah fuctard men are alo loyal honorable faithful if they want to be.

    you get to choose desitiny you fuctards.

    but too many of you act like woemzne lzozllzlz”

    Ding motherfucking ding. But that requires personal responsibility and the ability to think outside the box, er my bad, I meant the urinal.

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  112. And the gaping maw
    that I parried.

    Slapped shut the day after
    I tarried.

    What a cunt she
    became, all that fortune
    and fame,

    I really wish I weren’t
    married!

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  113. on November 18, 2010 at 12:06 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’assuming he believes that we won’t get caught out.””””’

    Assuming he is in the frame of just because you have a woman who you are fucking means you are not allowed to fuck other woman.

    You don’t owe a woman monogamy just because you are fucking her lol

    People acting like there is only one frame to have in the world.

    Must enslave yourself completely to one chick.

    It is somehow wrong to cheat.

    It ain’t cheating it is just fucking multiple woman.

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  114. Cheshire

    Don’t forget the number one reason men were “cheating” on her: she is a whore. In her letter, she copped to taking four cocks in two years. That means slutty whorish missuckalot actually gobbled up around eight juicy dicks. In two years!

    You have unreasonable expectations for women. It’s childish, and hurts you personally.

    Grow up.

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  115. aoefe

    Why women cheat:

    1. Their boyfriends/husbands suck in the sack.

    2. Their boyfriends/husbands bend over to every whim. They wouldn’t have a clue how to lead the world if it suddenly went blind, let alone themselves.

    3. Their boyfriends/husbands feel inferior and grateful to be with their women.

    4. Their boyfriends play WOW instead of playing with them.

    If you swallow none of the above would occur.

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  116. “Also , alot of women , despite their hotness are not so great at sex.”

    Quote of the day.

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  117. on November 18, 2010 at 12:14 am Gunslingergregi

    ok I got the name for a man having sex with one chick and in a ltr and then having sex with another chick.

    Call it being practical.

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  118. Chi-town

    How do you do it (cheat) to someone who has done everything right?

    Practice.

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  119. “I just worry though about the risk of STDs and outside pregnancies.”

    exactly..I can’t just “get over” being cheated on and consider it an inevitable thing. Cheating in a relationship/marriage opens up all the possibilities of getting an STD. sex is extremely risky so why do that in a relationship or marriage? just break up with that person if you want to sleep with other women. simple. i don’t want to be around if my partner chooses to have sex with strangers. this is a really obvious point but monogamy exists in part because of horrible diseases like syphilis, AIDS, etc.

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  120. Lover of women

    or create his personal life in a way that cant possibly affect his family ..

    One way to create your personal life of having a variety of poon is to train the wife to tolerate it. Such training starts very early in the relationship. A man can be a man, and keep a family – the ideas are not in conflict.

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  121. mschro

    i don’t want to be around if my partner chooses to have sex with strangers. this is a really obvious point but monogamy exists in part because of horrible diseases like syphilis, AIDS, etc.

    Many men are content with monogamy. Some can go for 2 years that way, no problem, some 20.

    A lot of us get irritable and useless for a relationship once we get the itch. We either scratch it and remain good company, or we start to poison our relationship.

    That’s the human condition. It’s trade offs. If you want a highly sexual and sexually sensitive man who has strong social skills and is dominant enough to turn you on and thrill you each day, he’s going to be an STD risk.

    Luckily, even HIV can be managed nowadays. Most people aren’t much troubled by herpes. And even antibiotic resistant gonorrhea can be cured by human immunoglobins.

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  122. Feh says “When a guy in that kind of marriage cheats, however many options he has, (and I have them myself), he not only betrays his wife, he betrays the whole family. ”

    Why? No harm, no foul. Where you put your dick is your business, as long as it doesn’t cause harm.

    You are just hung up. Prone to guilt. Tight assed. You should try a little dildo play, buddy, loosen up a bit.

    If your wife and kids don’t find out, and if you play safe, what’s the big deal? The idea of it?

    There is no such thing as cheating. The concept is bogus. There is only how you treat your wife.

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  123. Awesome post..

    “I feel like a hamster”

    oh the irony

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  124. xsplat
    “If your wife and kids don’t find out, and if you play safe, what’s the big deal? The idea of it?

    There is no such thing as cheating. The concept is bogus. There is only how you treat your wife.”

    So presumably you will be cool if we all queue up to have a go at your wife’s pussy on your back then.

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  125. Tyrone

    I’ve got a great Ukrainian wife. She gives me all the sex I want and is very sweet. I am attracted to other women but cheating is more trouble than it is worth and there are other things in life besides chasing women for its own sake.

    And? So your point is that some men can be satisfied within monogamy.

    That’s true. Some can.

    I doubt its most men.

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  126. on November 18, 2010 at 12:27 am The Man Who Was . . .

    but too many of you act like woemzne lzozllzlz

    True, many of the men here have rationalization hamsters running at full steam. Especially, the one about it being no big deal for a man to cheat on his wife. It isn’t as big a deal as a woman cheating, but it is still really bad.

    Thought experiment. How many men would tolerate cheating from a wife, if she were a 10, used birth control and still let them sleep with her regularly?

    Answer: Probably most of them.

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  127. on November 18, 2010 at 12:31 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Captain
    So presumably you will be cool if we all queue up to have a go at your wife’s pussy on your back then.”””””’

    Despite what your local feminist told you to believe.

    If a man is able to fuck multiple woman it doesn’t have to be equal and his woman gets the same privelidge.

    The woman can be monogomous while the man fucks more than one.

    Not equal wow crazy shit man crazy shit.

    She can also have free will in that she can leave if doesn’t want to be in that situation.

    WOW

    fucking amazing.

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  128. Gun–

    That is why under no circumstances ever should a man promise a woman to only fuck her.

    I agree. You can promise that she’ll always be no 1 emotionally, but not total sexual faithfulness.

    On the other hand as Dreamer and Tyrone said, there’s a lot to be said for settling down with the right woman and not spending tons of energy continuing to chase skirt. Sometimes it just comes along though.

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  129. Do people on here find greatbooksformen funny? I’m really curious as his stupid comments seems to take up alot of space.

    Honestly gbfm shut the fuck up, some commenters on here are really interesting and I hate scrolling through your bullshit to read it.

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  130. on November 18, 2010 at 12:39 am Gunslingergregi

    ””’Man who is inexperienced,
    True, many of the men here have rationalization hamsters running at full steam. Especially, the one about it being no big deal for a man to cheat on his wife. It isn’t as big a deal as a woman cheating, but it is still really bad.”””’

    Being practical on a woman and telling her you are gonna do it is not cheating it is just practical.

    When you know you will get tired of the pussy no matter how good it is it is practical not to promise to only fuck that pussy and that pussy alone for life.

    Don’t promise a woman not to fuck other woman.

    ””””””””Man who is inexperienced,
    Thought experiment. How many men would tolerate cheating from a wife, if she were a 10, used birth control and still let them sleep with her regularly?

    Answer: Probably most of them.
    ””””””””

    Cuckold fetish much churchboy he he he

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  131. Tman-

    Roissy’s hierarchy (which is so famous now that a girl brought it up on a date with me two or three weeks ago) is flawed for exactly this reason. It’s dualistic. Is a man Alpha because he has the qualities that attract women, or is he Alpha because women are attracted to him? I think Roissy’s answer is clearly the second, while mine would be the first. A man of Alpha qualities is attractive to women because women are programmed by evolution to know what’s truly important in a man.

    Truer words have never been spoken.

    Sex is a perk that an alpha male enjoys, not a factor that determines whether or not a man is an “alpha”.

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  132. @xsplat

    Lover of women

    or create his personal life in a way that cant possibly affect his family ..

    “One way to create your personal life of having a variety of poon is to train the wife to tolerate it. Such training starts very early in the relationship. A man can be a man, and keep a family – the ideas are not in conflict.”

    Bingo!

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  133. on November 18, 2010 at 1:12 am greatbooksformen GBFM

    gbfm t-shirt #93

    “Neocon Tom

    Do people on here find greatbooksformen funny? I’m really curious as my stupid comments seems to take up a lot of space.

    Honestly neocons like myself should shut the fuck up, some commenters on here are really interesting and I hate scrolling through my neocon bullshit to read it.”

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  134. on November 18, 2010 at 1:28 am Good Luck Chuck

    Oh my fucking god, people are STILL freaked out about the possibility of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex?

    You do know that the chances of contracting a fatal STD from vaginal sex with a non-intravenous drug user are virtually zero, no?

    Abstinence scare tactics are so 1998.

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  135. @Doug

    I agree. You can promise that she’ll always be no 1 emotionally, but not total sexual faithfulness

    It’s one thing to be a fallible human being; some people make promises and then break them in the face of great temptation. On the other hand, making this sort of asymmetry *explicit* is going to restrict your options.

    A woman is not going to accept this sort of thing outright, unless at least one of the following is true:
    * You’re way out of her league and she knows it;
    * She’s the type who’s more likely to fuck around herself;
    * She’s sucking sufficient material resources from you to compensate for the asymmetry;
    * She’s a total pushover with no self-esteem (as in lacking the *normal* quality of self-esteem, not the hyperinflated western type justifiably skewered here).

    Unlike a lot of the other posters on here, who are either armchair theorists or living in countries where the economic situation makes it a whole different ballgame, I’ve been in this situation enough times to know. Historically I’ve had no shortage of women perfectly willing to agree to this sort of deal, but, in every case, either I was punching below my weight or the girl wasn’t a paragon of fidelity herself.
    I’ve only known one or two guys who had this sort of arrangement with women who were at their level of market value and (as far as I knew) faithful — and in those cases, the women were basically just living off the guys, working some sinecure job and eating bon-bons. Nothing’s free, even for the so-called alphas — but, hey, if you want to spend everything you have on women, you go right ahead, big guy.

    Also there’s the obvious fact that any such “harem” would have to be composed of low-libido women. Especially if the guy is older (imagine just how little sex a woman would get if she were part of the “harem” of a 50-something guy who can only get it up a couple of times a day max).

    This is[n’t] how it works in many other cultures and in our own pre feminism.

    If “many other cultures” refers to France, or to the decadent aristocratic class of any other such country… do realize that, in those cultures, it ain’t just the men who are doing the cheating.

    The sexes are different in this. It’s a wiring thing.

    Maybe so.
    But the “wiring” game is a dangerous game to play. For instance, women are also “wired” to cuckold their hapless beta providers with alphas’ babies.

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  136. you people frigging jumping the shark here. It’s not “why”. It’s not her fault. It’s just the way it is, the way men are. Why is the sky blue? How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does. In a sense women are even more screwed – we at least can blame them straying on our own lack of game (even still, the best course of action is your own action and moving on and the whole thing is rather questionable…). Their game is 60% looks and 30% personality and less than 10 all the games they play. And there’s no workaround for the variety thing, nothing they can do. On the other hand, it doesn’t really affect them as much. The original writer’s problem is “was feeling worthless and discardable”. You define your worth based on another person, you’ll get screwed.

    Da hamster part is gold though.

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  137. Chuck, Xsplat, I don’t want to catch any kind of STD. I don’t care if it won’t kill me. I don’t want stuff growing on my stuff.

    If a guy gives me an STD, I am killing him, the chick who burned him, and then turning myself in. I’ll be in prison for life, but they will both be dead.

    I am okay with polygyny, but whoever she is better be someone clean and faithful. I can’t do the free for all thing.

    I understand this means I won’t get the most “alpha” guys, but I think it’s a good tradeoff not to end up with the creepy crawlies.

    It’s just not an acceptable risk.

    …and more than one guy a year average is over the top slutty. By the time one gets to the third who doesn’t keep her around for at least a few months, she is doing it wrong, and needs to take a break to take stock.

    Maybe you cheat because you’ve never met a woman who loved you before she met you. Those of us who have a realistic dreamguy do that. We understand that we have to keep ourselves clean and ready for him, and hope that each new guy we get involved with is him. So even if we’re not moralistic about premarital sex, the idea of “going through” guys just for the sex is an insult to the guy who might come around someday.

    It’s hard to explain, and yes it seems a little silly, but it makes sense when one considers that it is a crazy world, and all we really have left is our hopes nowadays. When a woman has lost that, she’s lost something crucial to her womanhood…something that I’m told guys miss if it’s not there.

    I have a couple of friends shagging their “broken dolls” regularly, who will dump them as soon as they get ahold of someone for whom they are the hope and the hoped for.

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  138. Palogrande,
    the “wiring” game is a dangerous game to play. For instance, women are also “wired” to cuckold their hapless beta providers with alphas’ babies.

    yes, they are. You can bitch about it or you act as you’re not one of the hapless.

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  139. yes, they are. You can bitch about it or you act as you’re not one of the hapless.

    Well, duh, is there any situation in which that’s *not* true? Like, hello! God helps those who help themselves, and all that.

    My point was a devil’s-advocate sort of point: if we’re going to endorse sexual double standards because of our “wiring”, then we are also going to have to endorse a whole lot of other unsavory double standards as well. Unless we’re going to have, well, double standards about which double standards we’re going to apply.

    In general, human “wiring” is not compatible with any sort of healthy society, so it’s always amusing to see the value of that wiring preached from the pulpits of people whose entire lives are built on a civilization that only exists because of the rejection of that wiring.
    In other words, unless Doug is a drug kingpin, or a pimp, or some other type of person who is prosperous in a very primal sort of way, there’s a great deal of irony in his promotion of “primal wiring”.

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  140. Oh my fucking god, people are STILL freaked out about the possibility of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex?

    Yeah, that’s stupid.

    But one thing that’s not being given nearly enough weight here is the likelihood that Ms. Mistress is going to turn out to be that psychotic bitch who’s going to ruin your life (or damn well try to, anyway). While psychotic bitches are probably still a pretty low percentage of the overall population, it’s simple common sense that they will be a much higher percentage of the population of women *who are willing to be women-on-the-side*.

    And, a psychotic bitch armed with legal powers is a lot worse than any of the STD’s you actually have a non-negligible chance of catching.
    A lot worse.

    It only takes one.

    One.

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  141. Gun

    So your answer to my question is???????????????????

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  142. Gun –

    Its good for the rest of us men on here to know yours and xsplat’s women are fair game as long as you don’t know about it. Good men.

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  143. on November 18, 2010 at 2:50 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””on November 18, 2010 at 2:42 am The Captain
    Gun

    So your answer to my question is???????????????????”””””

    To laugh because you trying to say it should be equal.

    Naa any chick I get with I am gonna tell her I am not exclusive to her.

    She has to be exclusive to me though or she can leave.

    Once in ltr of course otherwise I could care less.

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  144. on November 18, 2010 at 2:53 am Gunslingergregi

    You guys are making too much of the shit.

    People can choose what rules they want to use in their relationships.

    right? right?

    We are at least that free right ?

    he he he

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  145. on November 18, 2010 at 2:56 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’I’ve only known one or two guys who had this sort of arrangement with women who were at their level of market value and (as far as I knew) faithful — and in those cases, the women were basically just living off the guys, working some sinecure job and eating bon-bons. Nothing’s free, even for the so-called alphas — but, hey, if you want to spend everything you have on women, you go right ahead, big guy.”””””””

    Yea and there are a shitload of guys who have that same arrangement except they fuck other chicks and are probably tired of fucking the one they got.

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  146. on November 18, 2010 at 2:57 am Gunslingergregi

    except they don’t fuck other chicks.

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  147. on November 18, 2010 at 3:05 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’Stud Dynamite
    you people frigging jumping the shark here. It’s not “why”. It’s not her fault. It’s just the way it is, the way men are. Why is the sky blue? How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does. In a sense women are even more screwed – we at least can blame them straying on our own lack of game (even still, the best course of action is your own action and moving on and the whole thing is rather questionable…). Their game is 60% looks and 30% personality and less than 10 all the games they play. And there’s no workaround for the variety thing, nothing they can do. On the other hand, it doesn’t really affect them as much. The original writer’s problem is “was feeling worthless and discardable”. You define your worth based on another person, you’ll get screwed.

    Da hamster part is gold though.
    ””””””’

    Exactly why the big push to get men to marry woman under a monogamy clause for life with punishment.
    Because it is a faulty product your getting.

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  148. Stud Dynamite:

    “You define your worth based on another person, you’ll get screwed.”

    A-fucking-men. Unadulterated truth.

    Problem is, this is exactly what a woman does when she falls in love with a man — she appraises her worth based on his relative interest in her.

    Its a disaster waiting to happen when he eventually strays. Thus the “betrayed/devastated/cheated” framing. A more frequent manifestation of this emotional dynamic is the “you make me so….” formulation where women will blame men for their emotions, which they apparently lack any ability to control.

    On the positive side, its fairly easy to get a girlfriend who finds out about your cheating to continue to be with you. Sometimes you can even demote her to fuckbuddy as a result of your cheating, thereby avoiding the commitment altogether. It all just depends on how you handle the wild-eyed mania that most women will sink into when they discover your extracurricular hobby.

    As for the variety thing, many women will attempt a workaround by changing her hair style and color with some limited success. But a more solid alternative is the trusty old occasional negotiated threesome. Men are much more likely to stick it out with a girl that can be a force multiplier in his notch count quest. That’s a huge added value and makes for better stories, to boot.

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  149. Palogrande, that is gold.

    Human society would last shorter than a nuclear war if folks started following our wiring. In raw nature, we’re just a bunch of killer chimps.

    Also, any woman who’s prepared to take a married man’s appendage is a very bad bet for
    a second marriage. Might be providing a useful service, but only a fool would marry her.

    That’s why fake wedding ring game is a great way of finding one night girls you wouldn’t feel guilty about ditching afterwards. A man should only feel guilty about hurting a more moral woman

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  150. “””””””on November 18, 2010 at 2:42 am The Captain
    Gun

    So your answer to my question is???????????????????”””””

    To laugh because you trying to say it should be equal.

    Naa any chick I get with I am gonna tell her I am not exclusive to her.

    She has to be exclusive to me though or she can leave.

    Once in ltr of course otherwise I could care less.”

    You, like most guys on here, sound so desperate for sex is unbelievable. Sex is easy, and is only half the battle. When you grow up perhaps you will find out that women aren’t the enemy and there are more rewarding things than just sex.

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  151. Good luck chuck,

    If you’re single, you can laugh about getting an STD. Couple of days of discomfort and that’s it. But if a married guy gives something to his wife from his adventures, then he is in deep trouble the next inevitable time she goes for a check up. And face it, HPV and chlamydia are pretty much endemic in the US slut population

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  152. Points 1 – 4 could be shortened to 1 and 2.
    Particularly 1. Just reread Helen Fisher’s work on power of beauty. If you’re a straight girl, be as hot as possible. Makes everything better. End of story.

    ——————————-

    Hamster girl was writing to advice column in Australia.
    Oz chicks tend to be slutty.
    She is a slut herself. No sympathy.
    In the second paragraph she writes

    “I feel really happy and fulfilled in all areas outside of my love life – career, family, friends, sports etc etc. It’s all going great and I’m healthy and confident and good.”

    No mention of her looks. Guessing she is trying to get by on accomplishments/personality alone.

    Also, she acts like she already has her cake. Men aren’t icing and Westernized women don’t seem to get that.

    A truly feminine old fashioned chick with morals wouldn’t have to spout off how s’wonderful and marvelous her life is without a man it.
    Rings hollow.
    I most enjoy the company of Asian (not Americanized) and fellow devout Catholic girlfriends. We all share a camaraderie that it’s okay to be soft, gentle, dreamy and like men. Really like them and want to be with that one special guy.

    Unlike this hopeless trollop who can’t see the forest for the trees.
    I’ll wager that the only altar she prays at is one for her own ego.

    ———————

    “Stay Thin, Long Hair, Sex Anytime, Shut UP!”

    More along the lines of
    “Sign a Pre nup to Stay Thin. stay thin, Long Hair, Sex Anytime/Lets you have virtual hologram sex with 19 year old Swedish triplets/ Be nice, don’t bitch !”

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  153. on November 18, 2010 at 4:54 am lover of women

    @rum
    ..blazing intellectual depth ..”Godfather is a work of fiction” kidding me abit..? however the point was in response to the choice men have in conducting themselves with integrity or not ..in context of “American feminist culture” ..

    there is a choice and creative response you as a man has regardless of culture ..especially if you are ALPHA or aspire to be owner of your own life ..

    to own your own life to me means ..you do what you want, when you want, how you want..in the way you want…but all within the context of maintaining your own integrity and discipline

    Real life wiseguys.. well I can tell you from having grown up knowing many of them well at an age where I had one foot in both eras.. let’s call it before Gotti and after Gotti.. before Gotti era there was integrity at the higher levels ..a set of values ..guys that lasted (lived) ..and retained power maintained a personal code -no flash no publicity and a strong moral sense to family -no cheating.. because that was the set of values that worked

    and even today ..as screwed up as feminism has made the culture by undermining INTEGRITY in men in pursuit of theories and a TV commercial version of life ..success demands responsibility ..responsibility demands a set of clear values that add to the quality of life..not diminish it

    there is of course opting out of the system because it is cancerous..and even there you will find the best players make few commitments because there own personal integrity demands that they keep the ones they make especially to those who dont even grasp the concept

    like the difference between Jordan and John Starkes ..nobody aspires to be John Starks

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  154. on November 18, 2010 at 5:09 am lover of women

    @xsplat

    ..sure you could train a wife to tolerate whatever you could dream up ..especially if you have the power .. but within the idea of a healthy creative society it’s not economical or functional…

    the idea of polygamy being natural to men is true..to an extent but doesnt create a society worth living in

    …just like rolling around on a gym mat floor catering practicing natural impulses does not create a champion gymnast

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  155. on November 18, 2010 at 6:10 am My Name Is Jim

    “One night this guy sent me a message saying he had just been on a date, and that he’d had an amazing time, but the girl in question wouldn’t have sex on the first date….so could he come over?”. And she fkkked him. Now she writes into an advice column asking why she doesnt have a faithful man? Honey it’s all over your face (in more ways than one). But anyway I agree that most likely she is a 5 trying to date male 8s and 9s. She probably is rejecting faithful beta male friends right now, even as we sit and type, there are menwho will be faithful to her and she is rejecting them in order to keep going after cads. Women are so dumb.

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  156. on November 18, 2010 at 6:24 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’ but doesnt create a society worth living in ””’

    lol with suicide in us doubling ever few years I don’t see west creating soviety worth living in.
    he he he

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  157. “I used to be a cheating husband. I love my wife dearly, I love my kids, I get angry at sexist jokes, and have photos of my kids on the desk.”

    –What a turd. Who gets angry at sexist jokes??

    –Poor gal getting cheated on consistently is most likely a yawn in bed. No guy cheats on an exciting, adventurous, sexy, fun, flirty lover. Women need to remember how to be women. Keep him addicted.

    –There are three types of cheaters, and this applies to both men and women:

    1.) People who will always cheat, regardless of the quality of pussy/penis they have in bed beside them. That’s their bag, not yours. They are chronic cheaters and the odds of them changing are slim to none.
    2.) People who would never consider cheating but are forced to due to their spouse/partner not putting out or remaining sexy, sexual, and young at heart/interesting.
    3.) People who carry on second lives outside of the realtionship with another steady sex mate, sometimes having another entire family.

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  158. “I’m currently cheating on my two younger girlfriends with a wonderfully hot call girl.”

    You know you lost any possible credibility after this sentence, right?

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  159. “Here’s my own list of reasons for why women get cheated on:

    1. They hooked up with a guy who has options instead of hooking up with a loser that no other woman would want.”

    “Even genuinely nice guys, guys who like kids and puppies, guys who are loyal to their friends, guys who are honest in their business dealings, guys who choke up when they hear a sad story, even they want to bang other chicks.”

    Really, no more needs to be said….

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  160. Question: What makes a man cheat on a good solid 6-7 with some ugly fat 2 at best? It happens – I’ve seen it happen – and it’s just puzzling. Assuming the 6 is giving him all the sex he could want, he’s also a 6-7, she isn’t an evil harpy although obviously not perfect, etc.. I mean, think Hugh Grant…. What’s that all about, Roissy? I’d love to hear your take on that – and if you’ve already covered it somewhere, can you show me where?

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  161. Thag – someone mentioned earlier, ‘not every hot woman is good in bed’, I reckon that was why Hugh hopped out of the conjugal bed for a quick blowie, as seems pretty obvious Ms Hurley wasn’t getting down on her knees!

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  162. OK, but what if she is satisfying him? I can’t help thinking it’s a pretty big assumption to make that Liz Hurly was no good in bed, although it may well be the case. As an aside, I can’t stand Hugh Grant!

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  163. Oh, and I said a good solid 6, which I’m assuming is not quite hot enough to feel that she can just lie there and do diddly squat.

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  164. Question to ponder…

    Someone said : “Just because a woman is hot physically, doesn’t mean she is good in bed”

    Correlation between personality and good sexually? if yes,

    how can you tell?

    What are the characteristics of someone who is most likely to be good in bed…..male and female.

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  165. on November 18, 2010 at 10:02 am rebelliousvanilla

    Doug1, the fact that men are polygamous is irrelevant to women. A wife accepting her man cheating is actually similar to a man being ok with his wife cheating with a better man, just because we are hypergamous.

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  166. ” Two years ago, i caught my partner sleeping with another girl in our bed”

    Fuck that! I want a new #1. She refers to her man as “partner” for chrissakes. What a cunt! Any self respecting male will not only cheat because of that but upload it her Tivo with an attached sticky note.

    Because you call him “Partner” should top the list!

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  167. @Evil Alpha: ROFL

    “Partner” is moronic. Mostly used by ugly lesbians, too.

    @what

    What defines a person who is good in bed?

    Well, obviously, they have to enjoy it, and enjoy giving the other person pleasure.

    I would have to agree that just because someone is good looking, doesn’t mean they know what to do. Generally morose and depressed people don’t seem to be the types to enjoy sex much-ditto for fatsos. People who enjoy other sensual things: food, wine, art, music, flirting, people, dancing, conversation, and life in general are going to be the ones who get more out of sex as well.

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  168. “Question: What makes a man cheat on a good solid 6-7 with some ugly fat 2 at best?

    @Thag Jones

    The fat chick offers ass 2 mouth. The solid 6 doesn’t know what that is.

    Women for the most part way overrate themselves in bed. Men can basically can jerk off using your body, so our orgasm is NOT and indication that you got skillz. I tell lots of women this, but of course it goes in one ear and out the next.

    I doubt this time will be any different.

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  169. What are the characteristics of someone who is most likely to be good in bed…..male and female

    @What

    Inquisitive girls are the best in bed! If a girl checks out playboy, or looks at porn, or hangs out on male blogs like this routinely, not as curiosity, then she is putting forth the effort to learn and deliver so she is already good or gonna be good very quickly.

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  170. What then is an indication of skillz? ATM doesn’t strike me as a skill so much as a willingness to be as nasty as possible – so is that what it really comes down to?

    LOL @ “partner” though – sounds ridiculous.

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  171. OT, but I thought some of you might appreciate this EPIC brand of condom:

    http://failblog.org/2010/11/10/epic-fail-photos-condom-brand-win/

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  172. Normally, I love it when this site takes the Jaclyn Friedmans or Karen Owens of the world to task. But in this case, I think people are too quick to mock the letter writer when she didn’t do anything egregiously wrong.

    This woman did make a few mistakes (three, apparently–although two of those were at least committed relationships). Then she moved on and did what women are supposed to do–she found a guy who loved children, treated her with respect, etc. And in return, she didn’t just grudgingly tolerate his beta supplications, but rather seems to have genuinely appreciated his attentions and reciprocated his affection.

    Her only mistake in the last situation, I think, was that she assumed commitment after a few dates. A big reason why a lot of women get “cheated” on is because they assume exclusivity in the early stages of dating. I think women ought to see only one man at a time, but they can’t reasonably expect that of the man until they’ve made that clear.

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  173. What then is an indication of skillz? ATM doesn’t strike me as a skill so much as a willingness to be as nasty as possible – so is that what it really comes down to?

    @ Thag Jones

    Hmnmm. Exactly what part of ass and what part of mouth in Ass 2 Mouth doesn’t strike you as skillz? “Nasty” is only in the transition part… the actual anal and oral is all skillz… unless you consider both anal and oral to also be “nasty”…

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  174. I’ve never been impressed by what most women think are sexual skills: spare me the wind-up acrobatics and super vagina kung-fu grip.

    The most memorable women are the really responsive ones.

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  175. Well the transition part sounds rather gross. It doesn’t strike me as a skill I suppose because all it is is making various holes available, which anyone can do, right? Sticking your ass in the air and opening your mouth is pretty low grade on the skills gradient, isn’t it? The mechanics of a blow job on the other hand can be a bit more nuanced, though hardly rocket science either. Maybe we are using the word “skill” in different senses, lol. Like the people I went to college with who would say a good looking girl had “talent.”

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  176. Thag, having been the relatively ugly other woman before, it’s about the man feeling like a man.

    It’s not just that every hot chick you see has some guy tired of shagging her. Some guys are tired of shagging hot chicks in general for other than social validation reasons. They’ve been around the block enough to know what’s what and start to either become more objective about beauty or less picky about beauty or they fetishize some kind of ugly because of their good experiences with that type.

    Today, it’s kinda hard to tell who is who unless you listen to how they talk about the women they shag.

    The ugly woman isn’t always kinkier. Sometimes she’s just not as much of a bitch. Sometimes she’s more loving and giving.

    How you can tell a woman is good in bed: she’s good at old fashioned couples dancing. Try to dance with her in a style she’s not familiar with, and if it goes somewhat smoothly, you know you’ve got a woman who is a woman.

    The thing about the ugly other though, is that she’s usually going to be more realistic than a hottie who’s still in the process of looks degradation. So if you treat her like you think she’s ugly, she’s going to lose interest. I don’t know of a way that this can be avoided because things are what they are, and if you can do “better” and actually rate that by mainstream standards than by personal standards, it’s going to come out.

    So my advice is to not shag women you think are ugly. Just leave them to the guys who can appreciate a woman who might not be a beauty queen, but isn’t a bitch.

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  177. @xsplat

    “How deep up your ass did you have to reach to come up with that nugget?”

    Wasn’t my ass:

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-case-for-an-older-woman/

    “For many of our dating life didn’t even get properly started until 36.”

    Good lord, I’m miles ahead of you.

    “Actually, I’m being harsh on you, Feh. I used to do travelling sales and one of my venues was in the student unions of college campuses. I eventually noticed my increasing age decreasing the flirtations I’d get.”

    Mine have increased, but I look young for my age.

    “No harm, no foul. Where you put your dick is your business, as long as it doesn’t cause harm.”

    I’m with you mostly on this, but harm extends to oneself. Hence your next rationalization:

    “You are just hung up. Prone to guilt. Tight assed. You should try a little dildo play, buddy, loosen up a bit.”

    (laughs)

    I do just fine, thanks.

    “If your wife and kids don’t find out, and if you play safe, what’s the big deal? The idea of it?”

    The idea of breaking my word disgusts me, yes. Second, the other woman, especially if she’s single and has nothing to lose, would be granted an absurd level of power over me and my clan. Yeah, you can take steps to obviate that possibility, but it’s rarely enough. Third, banging another woman would be just one more thing on my plate. As if I needed that.

    “There is no such thing as cheating. The concept is bogus. There is only how you treat your wife.”

    Do I have to break this down for you? If you make an explicit vow to your wife and break it secretly, you are failing to play by the rules that you and your wife have agreed to. Ergo, you are cheating, backsliding, reneging, dishonoring, etc. Gunslinger articulates the only alternative: no explicit vows about sexual fidelity. Maybe there are women in the world who will go along with that, but I haven’t met them.
    I have met plenty of single women who would help a married man cheat in his marriage. They are everywhere, but they tend to be too low in quality to bother with.

    Not always, though, which keeps life interesting.

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  178. I like Tman’s response the most. In fact, I read this blog more for responses like that than Roissy’s posts which have become narrow-minded. When I first found this blog I was looking for a strategy in improving all aspects of my life and this seemed to help with relationships but lately it gives advice that will adversely affect other areas of my life. My goal is to have a family some day and I’m not planning on destroying it by cheating, which Roissy seems to advocate here.

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  179. Feh

    Gunslinger articulates the only alternative: no explicit vows about sexual fidelity. Maybe there are women in the world who will go along with that, but I haven’t met them.

    You will rarely find a woman who will explicitly go along with this. They will throw tantrums and threaten to breakup and even mock breakup over the issue.

    It is the rare man who calls the bluff. It is the rarer man who turns the tables and physically removes the girl from his house for throwing a hissy fit.

    You’d be surprised what standing your ground on the subject can do. Incredulous, I’d think.

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  180. Feh, I hear you that you think that breaking a vow would hurt yourself, as your word is something that you value, and you would feel less valueable if you were less honest.

    I agree with that.

    But it’s never too late to change the rules. The only important thing is honesty. Vows are mere ruts – the intelligent avoid ruts and rely on moment to moment creatively informed flexibility.

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  181. All I can say is, after reading this column, I am extremely grateful for my faithful husband of 20 years.

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  182. Not all of the four justifications given are equal. #4 is probably the strongest reason. It’s about options.

    In every micro-culture of my life (work, school, gym, church, neighborhood, every circle of friends) I naturally evaluate the women that I would like to screw. Only in the most bleak social group conditions is there no woman that I would like to sleep with. What holds me in check from sleeping with these women?

    1. They give no indication they are interested in me.
    2. Logistical difficulty of making an advance and carrying out the sex.
    3. Fear of getting caught by wife or others and the collateral consequences to marriage, family and social standing.
    4. Financial consequences and psychological harm to children in a divorce.
    5. Guilt towards breaking my promises and lying to wife.

    And the priority of these interests is as they are listed above. 2, 3, and 4 could all be under “Fear of getting caught” so maybe there are only 3 considerations. If in a given situation, I feel 1-4 are covered, it is doubtful that #5 alone is going to prevent me from sleeping with the girl.

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  183. Turts

    All I can say is, after reading this column, I am extremely grateful for my faithful husband of 20 years.

    so is
    his mistress

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  184. @palogrande ..just that ..look at many African nations..running based soley on some sort of armed capitalistic WIRING paradigm ..Russia to for that matter ..that type of society ..sucks.. cold mean hearted – give me Brasil anytime

    @guns ..lol society not worth participating in .. exactly ..I saw this coming when I was 14 ..busted my ass till I was 30 ..to get enough cushion to opt out ..Ive been Galt for 19 years an never once looked back..

    but my word is my word..for me not them or anyone..

    I tell girls/women up front I am a much better friend and a very bad boyfriend ..I suck in bed ..and Im basically a selfish prick ..I set the bar so so very low..that anything is up..then I live as benevolent intelligent king whom there are no expectations..anything I need I can create thru money personality and my own energy .. Im never lonely and seldom sad..

    works in most societies ..even US though you really swim against the tide here ..and not in Russia ..to damn practical ..unless the woman guesses the game or is a pro or semi pro

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  185. “looks at porn, or hangs out on male blogs like this routinely, not as curiosity, then she is putting forth the effort to learn and deliver so she is already good or gonna be good very quickly.”

    Word!

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  186. It doesn’t strike me as a skill I suppose because all it is is making various holes available, which anyone can do, right? Sticking your ass in the air and opening your mouth is pretty low grade on the skills gradient, isn’t it? The mechanics of a blow job on the other hand can be a bit more nuanced, though hardly rocket science either.

    @ Thag Jones

    While, as you have correctly noted, sticking your ass in the air is not a skill, butt sex or taking a cock up that ass sure is. More importantly though, the woman that can work that cock with her ass, has mad skillz.

    Similarly saying “Ahh” as if you were at the dentist’s office is not a skill. Deep throating is a skill. And no, deep throating isn’t rocket science, which is why it is so puzzling that most women including Liz Hurley can’t do this… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki-dthroat.png.

    Like I said before…women for the most part way overrate themselves in bed. A lot of women think they know how to suck dick when they really don’t. Men can basically can jerk off using your mouth or ass, so our orgasm is NOT an indication that you got skillz. I tell lots of women this, but of course it goes in one ear and out the next. History loves to repeat itself.

    Skill: the ability to use one’s knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance

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  187. Palogrande–

    But the “wiring” game is a dangerous game to play. For instance, women are also “wired” to cuckold their hapless beta providers with alphas’ babies.

    Not my problem. In fact it’s in part my opportunity.

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  188. rebelliousvanilla

    Doug1, the fact that men are polygamous is irrelevant to women. A wife accepting her man cheating is actually similar to a man being ok with his wife cheating with a better man, just because we are hypergamous.

    Absurd use of logic, starting with limited premises and ignoring empiricism.

    The point about men being polygamous in their innate drives is that they don’t want to replace the good woman they already have (assuming she is in fact good), but rather supplement her.

    If one of the goals is to maintain marriage or other union long enough to raise children to adulthood in a two parent, two genders family, then obviously a limited amount of supplemental sexual activity after awhile on the part of the alpha male in the relationship is far, far less threatening to it’s stability than the same on the part of the woman. For the reasons I stated above. Reasons and knowledge of what actually tends to happen when the respective genders have extramarital sex.

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  189. Palogrande –

    But one thing that’s not being given nearly enough weight here is the likelihood that Ms. Mistress is going to turn out to be that psychotic bitch who’s going to ruin your life (or damn well try to, anyway).

    Excellent point. That’s a bigger fear for me than STDs.

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  190. For instance, women are also “wired” to cuckold their hapless beta providers with alphas’ babies.

    Is this really that common? I guess it happens but wow… It’s funny because it had never really crossed my mind until, a few hours after my first child was born, my father-in-law said, “The difference is that you know she’s your baby, your husband trusts that she’s his baby.” I think my eyes opened a little wider and I said something like, “I hadn’t thought of it that way but I guess that’s true!” That really stuck with me because that’s the last thing I expected him to say – I really hadn’t thought of it because well, I know it’s his baby. I still remember the sex we had that resulted in said baby, who is now 7 years old. I don’t know how I know it was *that* time, but I do.

    OK, EA, I get it. Just wanted to get some idea on that and of course, I didn’t expect it to be pretty. 😉 Thanks for humouring me.

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  191. “Absurd use of logic, starting with limited premises and ignoring empiricism.”

    @Doug1

    Lol. No need to clarify as you were spot on the first time.

    RebelliousVanilla crying “double standard” was surprisingly “feminist”. That’s uncharacteristic. She must be having a bad day.

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  192. on November 18, 2010 at 1:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’@guns ..lol society not worth participating in .. exactly ..I saw this coming when I was 14 ..busted my ass till I was 30 ..to get enough cushion to opt out ..Ive been Galt for 19 years an never once looked back..””””””””’

    Nice.

    lol I saw it at 18 but fucked around till now thinking somehow I was gonna maybe check out permenantly in some societally approved hero manner.

    I do have it down to science now so really I can go from nothing to retirement in 548 days.

    So I can be like fuck it all again.

    And not have to give a shit again.

    I’m technically done now but yet technically not.
    he he he

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  193. Doug “Not my problem. In fact it’s in part my opportunity.”
    —> haha lol this, from the same guy who said hes had a vasectomy.
    Doug I think your forgetting rule number one of being a lying poser weather in real life or on the net, and thats “be sure you dont tell lies that contradict other lies.”
    Haha

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  194. The most salient response to that letter probably would be something that doesn’t even tie in to this site’s gestalt. This whole notion of “reading signals” is itself an arm of the feminist bullshit machine, hatched from the need to pretend there are certain skills women innately excel at, so as to provide a justification for workplace AA. This woman is undoubtedly a “coordinator” of some nothing or other, a job that wouldn’t have existed before 1990. If Eva Longoria can get cheated on, then everyone is at risk!

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  195. on November 18, 2010 at 4:10 pm alonzo portfolio

    All any woman who’s being cheated on has to do is listen to this:

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  196. Alonzo, actually this one is better:

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  197. A husband and wife were having dinner at a very fine restaurant when this absolutely stunning young woman comes over to their table, gives the husband a big french kiss, then says she’ll see him later and walks away.

    The wife glares at her husband and says, “Who the hell was that?”

    “Oh,” replies the husband, “she’s my mistress.”

    “Well, that’s the last straw,” says the wife. “I’ve had enough. I want a divorce!”

    I can understand that,” replies her husband, “but remember, if we get a divorce it will mean no more shopping trips to Paris, no more wintering in Barbados, no more summers in Tuscany, no more Infiniti or Lexus in the garage and no more yacht club. But the decision is yours.”

    Just then, a mutual friend enters the restaurant with a gorgeous babe on his arm.

    “Who’s that woman with Jim?” asks the wife.

    “That’s his mistress,” says her husband.

    “Ohhh ….Ours is prettier,” she replies.

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  198. Audrey–

    No I did not say I’ve had a vasectomy, feminist troll.

    Have you ever actually contributed anything around here, other than trolling snark?

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  199. @Mr. C

    +++

    Luv that.

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  200. @Doug1

    “If one of the goals is to maintain marriage or other union long enough to raise children to adulthood in a two parent, two genders family, then obviously a limited amount of supplemental sexual activity after awhile on the part of the alpha male in the relationship is far, far less threatening to it’s stability than the same on the part of the woman.”

    Known and accepted throughout history and around the world. But in post-feminism America: cheating! divorce! alimony! humiliation! Ask Tiger.

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  201. Audrey:

    Someone has some serious chops in the memory department. How would you possibly remember that?

    You haven’t been reading my facebook, have you?

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  202. @Thag Jones

    “Question: What makes a man cheat on a good solid 6-7 with some ugly fat 2 at best?”

    Like what did Clinton see in Monica?

    Power.

    The 2 will debase herself to keep the 6 coming back. She will let him do anything he wants, anytime he wants. She will allow herself to be used like a sex toy, and will accept it. She will take any abuse he chooses to dish out.

    If you see a 6 cheating with a 2, you’re seeing a men with serious anger issues against the primary woman in his life, which he’s taking out on the 2.

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  203. What did Clinton see in Monica? Well, with a dikey ball breaker for a wife, that’s not hard to see. I meant that the man and the woman are 6’s and the man cheats with a 2, but I get your point. Makes sense.

    So I suppose he wouldn’t want to debase his 6 woman like that, is that what it is? Sounds suspiciously Madonna/whore; I’m not sure if the people on this board put any credence in that.

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  204. The point is that a woman on the same level as him, who has the option of dumping him and getting another 6, is far less likely to put up with it than a woman 4 ranks below him.

    Put another way, if a female 10 would allow a male 6 to screw her, but only on her terms, and only if he got down on his knees in front of her house and barked like a dog for 5 minutes before she would let him in, she would still have plenty of takers.

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  205. Like what did Clinton see in Monica?
    @MichaelC

    Monica ain’t a hottie but she was an upgrade to Hillary.

    And Clinton’s cheating knocked offed 3 birds with one stone. He got to blow his load. He got to feel powerful. He got to publicly humiliate his bitch wife.

    Of course in typical American girl “I’m bad at sucking dick” fashion, Monica leaves a trail of evidence. Serves her right for not swallowing… as if men aren’t clear about how much we like that.

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  206. Congratulations, Audrey. Now isn’t it time to feed your cats?

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  207. Well Audrey you stalker, I haven’t had a vasectomy, though I’ve seriously thought about doing it. I also haven’t totally decided never to have kids, though almost. But that’s how I was feeling at the time, stalkette.

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  208. Wow, that post is over a year old! Time to feed the cats indeed.

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  209. I remember that old post now that she mentions it. But I’d never have remembered that it related to Doug1. Wow, she must really keep notes on you. You should get her number, if the smell of cat pee doesn’t put you off.

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  210. Doug:

    “Absurd use of logic, starting with limited premises and ignoring empiricism.

    The point about men being polygamous in their innate drives is that they don’t want to replace the good woman they already have (assuming she is in fact good), but rather supplement her.”

    Hmmm…well as you said earlier, the innate female drive to cuckold their beta husbands is something you are on board with. So by that logic, if you’re with a girl and she meets a guy more alpha than you, shouldn’t you let her loose with him during ovulation time? And yeah, I know you’re what, 55? 55 and apparently making up shit on the internet (hat tip to Audrey; and to the rest of you kids — finding comments is a cinch if you’re not a moron, should only take you about 20 seconds). So it’s highly doubtful that your woman, whoever she is, doesn’t find more alpha men than you on a regular basis.

    Whatever happened to your fake internet relationship?

    As for the whole wiring argument, are you really trying to go there? Get the fuck out of civilization, if you’re so intent on being true to your biological nature.

    Yes, there are girls who will agree to your little harem situation. And not a single one will be your “perfect woman.” But are you…actually trying to argue that you…let me get this straight–that you deserve to have gorgeous, fun, sexy women who will allow you to cheat on them? Do you…do you feel…entitled to this?

    Feminist!

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  211. 21–

    Hmmm…well as you said earlier, the innate female drive to cuckold their beta husbands is something you are on board with.

    I didn’t say I was “on board” with it. I responded to a personal taunt by saying it wasn’t my personal problem. Of course that was a short, simplistic response. I’m not always going to write an article on everything here. There are social issues as well as personal ones.

    As for being “on board with it” I’ve many times when the subject has come up around here, advocated mandatory paternity testing and bring back both slut and cheating females shaming.

    It’s feminism that’s dissolving civilizational restraints, not the game community.

    Direct your beta angst where it belongs.

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  212. Great, now we know doug is a liar and audrey is a stalker. Ah, the internet

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  213. Funny. I love hot women, but hate stupid women. Most hot women are stupid so it makes me not want to come close to putting my dick in them and giving them the pleasure of multiple orgasms. They are unworthy. That was my natural inclination as a very young man and it led me to hold on to the hot and smart woman I found at age 24, marry her, build a life with her and raise our kids together with her 15 years later. Neither one of us are physically hot now, but both of us have taken note of that and are handling it. Her mind turns me on more than her body so I have no problem staying faithful. Just the man I am.

    On the other hand, my aunties tell me my Daddy was a player when he was young and I know his father was. I also know my Mom’s dad was a player. Funny how this all works out because from day 1, my son has been also. His ability to have women be puddy in his hands has been evident since he could speak. At age 4 he romances women and his natural attraction is for them to be older and physically fulfilled. At age 3 he came to my wife and I and said, “When I grow up I am going to live in a mansion with a whole bunch of beautiful women. They are going to work for me and pay me to live in my mansion. Daddy, you and Grandpa can come and hang out, but hands off – they’re mine!”. You know what we do – nurture it. He can have multiple women in a respectful manner, but if he chooses to marry he should understand that stepping out of the marriage has serious ramifications on the family structure and stability.

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  214. […] – “The Sensitive Girl“, “Why Women Get Cheated On“, “Polyamory is Disguised […]

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  215. Great blog post, one of the best yet.

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  216. Doug1: “It’s feminism that’s dissolving civilizational restraints, not the game community.”

    FUKKK YEAH!!!

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  217. @Doug1

    “Feminists and the divorce industry just keep making marriage worse and worse for men.”

    Feminism is not human rights for women (which I support); feminism is an attack on heterosexuality.

    Re: Why woman in post keeps getting cheated on. Maybe she’s just not hot enough?

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  218. Heh. I like Jeffrey of Troy’s post: “Maybe she’s just no hot enough?”

    That ought to be a book: “Maybe you’re just not hot enough.”

    It could be the male equivalent of “He’s just not that into you”.

    (And hell, how far ‘into you’ are guys supposed to BE, anyway? How ’bout you ladies spending two month’s salary on a gold watch for us?)

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  219. […] mostly I feel like reading the blog has answered many questions I’ve had regarding men, the cheating thing especially. I feel like I already knew that men are visually-stimulated and they appreciate […]

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