Spot The Alpha

A reader sent me this photo of a bunch of DC bartenders who won some sort of bartending awards for best in business. The quality of the photo is not good, but it’ll have to do. The previous “Spot the Alpha” post was a big hit with the ladies.

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Usually the alpha male (or female) is the most comfortable-looking person in the room. Who looks most comfortable to you in this photo? Who is the alpha male?

The three guys on the left look the most uncomfortable. Their bodies are stiff and their faces are studies in expressionless reserve. Their fashion sense is conservative. Two of the men are holding their drinks with both hands above belt level. Verdict: Solid provider betas.

The tall, striped tie smiley guy in the back row looks like a frat boy. He’s confident and happy — currency he trades for female attention — but it’s the confidence of the class clown. Verdict: Greater beta.

The Disco Stu guy in the middle with the wide collared, unbuttoned shirt and spiky haircut is a PUA. Well, I don’t know this for sure, but that would be my guess. I bet he’s in the community. The telltale signs are there — regular tanning booth customer, extra-wide smile, looking straight into the camera lens, hands all over the ladies (the fat one is enjoying it). There are a lot of short guys in the PUA community. I leave it as an exercise for the reader why this is so. Verdict: Lesser alpha.

The fat girl should not be a bartender. You gotta have face to move product.

The semi-cute Latina looking girl definitely likes it in the pooper.

The goth dude with the intense gaze of a thousand Mongol warriors (or of a thousand brooding adolescents in detention for scratching devil symbols into school desks) has captured the essence of lone wolf, “I’m a rebel, Dottie” game. He is the Sneaky Fucker, or the Niche alpha. His dark style is deliberate, and he wears it well from years of welding it directly to his identity. He’s creepy looking, which I’m sure was his intention. He’s a natural peacocker, and in normal environments will stand out just enough to attract some female attention in the 4-7 range. (In his own environment — Black Cat perhaps? — he is more comfortable and probably has a stable of cokehead groupies.) Outside in the light, he cannot go head to head with a natural alpha, as most brooders are too introverted and retiring to exercise the necessary social dominance to attract the maximum number of hot babes. When he retreats from gaming the truly quality chicks in a normal, non-vampiric milieu, he will likely tell himself they were beneath him anyway. He may also be a PUA of the Mystery Method school. Verdict: Lesser alpha.

The droopy-faced man standing to the left of goth dude (to the viewer’s right) is vanishing. He’s representative of the mass of nondescript betas that swarm around women like so much dust in the wind. Verdict: Lesser beta.

The short, Harold Ramis looking guy with glasses to the left of invisible man is an interesting case study. He shares much on certain alpha metrics with Disco Stu guy. He seems to have a sense of style, confident body language, liberal use of resting his hands on other people, and a smiling, upbeat facial expression, but because he looks like a dork he is less alpha than Disco Stu. He needs to tone down the smile to avoid looking “try hard”. I would also tell him to get Lasik, and a new hair style. Judging by his high forehead, he’s a smart guy, and so will understand and heed my advice. Harold Ramis guy is your classic fun-loving, sociable nerd who sometimes annoys girls with his bold, but charmless, approaches. Verdict: Beta.

Finally, the Matthew McConaughey looking dude on the far right of the photo. He looks the most comfortable and self-assured of all the men. Note the perfect hint of a smile — not too forced, not too pinched. What does this say? It says “You, cameraman, have not yet won me over.” His style is good; fashionable without tipping over into silly peacocking. His chin is held slightly higher than parallel with the ground, which subcommunicates alphaness. His body stance is strong. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were standing contrapposto when this photo was taken. Also note he does not put his hands on anyone; he doesn’t need to. Guys who are constantly resting their hands on other guys’ shoulders are playing dominance games. True alphas do not need to do this. They have enough alpha credit to spare that lending their shoulders as a prop for lesser men to climb upon does not lower their value. One more thing to note: He is neither holding a drink nor shoving his hands in his pockets. It is alpha to keep your hands at your sides, relaxed, with a slight bend in the elbow to avoid the perception of stiffness. Verdict: Natural Alpha.

Interestingly, I would bet it’s not Natural Alpha who has banged the most girls. I would give that honor to Disco Stu.





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  1. very intresting and perceptive- i’d elevate Harold Ramis a wee bit more, based on the ambiguous evidence, and demote far-right dude a little. He doesn’t look a thing like McConaughey, first of all, and his diffidence could easily be read as beta shyness instead of alpha cool. but, benefit of the doubt to you. disco stu *definitely* gets laid the most.

    the ability to read people well is a very valuable skill…

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  2. Interestingly, I would bet it’s not Natural Alpha who has banged the most girls. I would give that honor to Disco Stu.

    Probably because Disco Stu will hit the fattie if all else fails, whereas McConaughey won’t stoop to that level.

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  3. He doesn’t look a thing like McConaughey, first of all, and his diffidence could easily be read as beta shyness instead of alpha cool.

    Agreed on both but the picture really sucks so it’s hard to tell.

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  4. There are a lot of short guys in the PUA community. I leave it as an exercise for the reader why this is so.

    I consider myself short as far as comparing myself to white men (im latin). Maybe height is an inheritance of betatude, and short guys in the community feel like they have a shot at scoring with women, to compensate for what height they were not predetermined with at birth.

    Or it could be that theres also an increasing number of asian men (or other minorities) in the community, and on average they are short as well again compared to white men.

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  5. there’s also another head in the background, between disco stu and goth boy. too dark to see – he could be the Gollum of the group.

    McConaughey definitely looks more shy than dominant to me, the more i look at him.

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  6. @collegeboy – yeah, garden-variety overcompensation/Napoleon complex.

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  7. on July 1, 2009 at 1:19 pm Willard Libby

    I think Romanian Death Stare in the back row has definitely killed the most people.

    What makes you more alpha – fucking the most women or killing the most men.

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  8. Short guys become PUAs because short people get less in life. Typically, they have a lower chance of getting a job, tend to make less money, and probably have poorer chances with women. The first two have been verified in studies. The last is supposition on my part.

    It’s an unpleasant reality, but short people have to do more to get the same results. It’s the same as thin vs. fat. There is an inherent advantage to certain physical qualities.

    If you’re not a PUA and you’re a short guy, your options are going to be limited.

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  9. These kind of posts are great.

    “Girlfriend or Fling,” “Open This Set,” and “Visualizing Beta.”

    These series are $

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  10. on July 1, 2009 at 1:22 pm Willard Libby

    maurice – there’s also another head in the background, between disco stu and goth boy. too dark to see – he could be the Gollum of the group.

    David Alexander?

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  11. geez, does he mix drinks? Shirley Temples with a splash of neon-colored syrup, no doubt.

    btwm, this is amusing – the other week i was at a bar in foggy bottom and they had a drink called “white trash mimosa”. anyone care to guess at the ingredients?

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  12. they had a drink called “white trash mimosa”. anyone care to guess at the ingredients?

    Hmmmm…..orangina and coors lite?

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  13. guido at 2nd from left in the tie; he took the opportunity of a published photo to peacock. caveat: I can’t see his hands.

    maybe the glowering chubby lou reed lookalike (center, right) looking like he’s pist winning some cheezy award, but he’s a bit TOO glowery. pua stu is too hands on with defective merchandise. Hud wouldn’t grin whilst kinoing a heifer. Still, he does look like he’s keeping her at bay.

    in the spirit of the game, I didn’t read any commentary before judgement. but, now i can see the point about mcconaghey – he sports too many Dorkisms, though to get my full vote.

    of course the asian chick likes it in pooper. they all do

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  14. on July 1, 2009 at 1:39 pm Cliff Arroyo

    I mostly agree except Matthew looks kind of uncomfortable to me (like he’s trying to ease out of the frame) and his coat seems bunched up on the right like he’s sticking out his elbow trying to make Harold keep his distance.

    He easily has the most potential (largest amount of natural male appeal) but in that group that’s not saying much.

    Crappy photo quality could also be playing a role here.

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  15. These guys all look like a bunch of bozos.

    Anyone who would pose for one of these “Best Bartender in Scranton!” pics already has a strike against.

    Bartenders, although they have hollywood on their side, are not alphas (sure there is an exception to the rule).

    Think about it, you are a grown man, Making another guy a drink. You want to wash my Caddy afterward?

    Its better to be on the other side of the bar.

    I am not buying the McConaughey cat.

    Disco Stu could be smooth, but looks like a caricature of a real playboy. (which unfortunately too many pick up artists are).

    Hilarious description of the Niche alpha.

    I think he might actually swoop the hottest girls.

    Disco Stu, the most volume due to pure passion and energy.

    McConaughey looks like the settle down type and move to the suburbs.

    – MPM

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  16. on July 1, 2009 at 1:43 pm D. Ray Morton

    Interesting. I initially read the MM guy as a possible beta provider. At first blush, he looked stiff and uncomfortable to me. But I guess I can see how his expression could conceivably pass for Alpha indifference.

    As to why there are so many short guys in the community: a) short-man syndrome and b) the fact that, all else being equal, women generally write off the diminutive on sight, which leads straight back to a). And, unfortunately, anything under 6′ seems to be considered “short” these days.

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  17. “I would bet it’s not Natural Alpha who has banged the most girls. I would give that honor to Disco Stu”

    Quality over quanitity. If you want to visit a gina (any gina) so bad that you’ll compromise on what you’ll hit, then you aren’t fully Alpha.

    Short(er) guys tend to have to learn game to succeed at all. Some get good at it.

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  18. on July 1, 2009 at 1:59 pm dcbartender

    The guy on the far right, while a great guy, is not particularly alpha. He is a bit shy and deferential, and is dating the “semi-cute Latina” (who is Asian, not Latina) in the picture. He is just the most alpha-looking guy in the group, and apparently knows how to pose for a photograph.

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  19. LOL. It was cooling seeing you analyze the same picture.

    Thanks Roissy,

    -Cuisine
    http://www.daygamer.net

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  20. Any of these guys would have been helped immensely by lighting up a cigarette during photo time.

    – MPM

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  21. Its all circumstantial. The photo only lets you guess at what these guys personalities are like based on a snapshot in time. The guy on the right could just as easily be an uptight tool bag. He appears to be the most alpha because he’s the tallest and biggest. He looks a little stiff to me. His lack of smile could just be a lack of personality or charisma rather than a calculated alpha smile. Usually charismatic people have good, photogenic smiles. For this reason I’m betting Disco stu is the alpha dog here in terms of female quality and quantity he attracts. That along with his style of dress indicates he is probably outgoing and comfortable in his skin. That he is comfortable putting his hand on other people indicates he has good social standing….the surrounding females are comfortable with his physical contact and he knows it. None of these guys are great, but in relative terms im betting he’s the “alpha”.

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  22. Harold Ramis shows that looks DO matter for guys.

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  23. on July 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm RisingLesserAlpha

    The beta is leaning in – especially because he is short, he should be standing straight up. Get him in the gym, drop the glasses, perhaps a shorter haircut, a straighter stance, and more relaxed clothes, he could be a lesser alpha easily. He already has some of the personality traits, he just needs some fine-tuning.

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  24. Two on the far left

    The two provider “betas” look like they’re bored and out of place- but they have strong “glint” in their eyes and a certain meaness on their face, while standing tall, erect and with pride; I suspect the one on the far left would fuck you up on a whim while they both secretly cheat on their wives/gfs.

    Assessment: former Alphas- Now lesser/retired Alphas

    Clown with the ugly tie

    Thinks people like him but they all make fun of him behind his back. Is oblivious to social dynamics. Has been cheated on multiple times and is none the wiser.

    Assessment: Laughing stock and Lesser Beta

    Guido

    Looks to be of Mediterranian descent. His higher levels of natural testosterone, as is evidenced by his huge chin and 5 o-clock shadow and is due in part to the African heritage and warmer environs of the Southern mediterranian peoples, causes him to try to hit everything that is somewhat sexually appealing to him. Has likely been trained to compulsivly and habituly hit on women as part of his cultural upbringing as well.

    His hand positioning and body language look almost as if he’s trying to push fatty away subconsciously. I don’t think he plans on tapping that.

    Assessment: Natural Alpha

    2nd from right

    Ironically enough the placing his arm around the Alpha makes him look more beta. This is due to his body positioning- he’s leaning into the girl, which makes him look needy as it is- but the girl looks to be leaning slightly away from him- making it also look like she’s annoyed by the betas imposition and attention- making him look worse. Added to this is the fact tha this lean in also functions as a lean out from the Alpha. It makes the beta look subconsciously fearful of the Alpha while his arm, and its positioning, draws into focus the size difference between the two making him look even weaker.

    Assessment: Try Hard and Beta

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  25. Speaking of Harold Ramis, can anyone believe someone as talented as him would have anything to do with creating the crap that is Year One?

    And putting talentless unfunny fat load Jack “the Human Suck” Black in it?

    Ghostbusters, Stripes, Caddyshack and Groundhog Day seem so far off now…

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  26. I heard the fat chick is Mandy XD!

    True story.

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  27. on July 1, 2009 at 2:28 pm RisingLesserAlpha

    also, the beta should wear a few day’s scruff if he can.

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  28. Roissy —

    Interestingly, I would bet it’s not Natural Alpha who has banged the most girls. I would give that honor to Disco Stu.

    The McConaughey NA guy does look comfortable in his own skin alright. But I don’t know about him being a big draw with the ladies. He seems a bit too retiring, and without enough aggression. Might make a good husband. The type that styas married in a relatively successful marriage.

    Less clear he’d be thrilling date fun.

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  29. lurker–

    I heard the fat chick is Mandy XD!

    True story

    You wouldn’t know one if it sat on you.

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  30. i’m going unconventional and voting for the guy on the far left.

    his head is tilted which makes me think he’s got a little bit of an attitude. his drink is barely waist high (where’s the evidence that high drink holding is a sign of beta?), and the drink rests lightly in his hands. You can tell he’s cradling the drink, not gripping it to death.

    the guy on the far right looks pretty stiff to me.

    it’s also worth noting, as roissy touched on, the two guys with the most “personality” in the picture are the two shortest guys. compensate much?

    height is merely another form of social dominance, just like money, job, good looks, and Game. tall, good-looking guys don’t usually need Game so they don’t flock to it as much as short guys.

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  31. Completely disagree with the assessment of far right. I think your assessment of the doughy guy behind the Latina fits him perfectly.

    Disco Stu is definitely a student of game. His kino is conscious and forced. Not that this means he doesn’t get laid left and right, though.

    I give the alpha nod to far left. Great posture, chin up, bit of a scowl on his face, goatee, full windsor. He’s got the quiet confidence of a man who’s spent 20 years banging a rotation of hot 20-year old servers. The guy next to him looks pretty slick too.

    You know, the more I look at this picture, the weaker McConaghey gets. He’s the stereotypical tall, good looking guy who has no game and thus punches way below his weight class. Probably dates 7’s. Even the doughy guy looks more badass. I call prank.

    Zdeno

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  32. on July 1, 2009 at 2:52 pm richmondbachelor

    G Manifesto, how often has your smoking caused a non-swoop?

    I live in one of the biggest tobacco cities in America, and even so, a good % of girls are completely turned off by a guy who smokes. And vice versa.. a girl who smokes immediately looses 2 points on the 1-10 scale… if I’m going to endure tobacco breathe, its going to be for a girl really worth it.

    That includes cigars and pipes, both ways.

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  33. @A-Bax- close: bud light and Tang! I’d never drink that shit, even for a joke, but it’s pretty funny. but was actually being served…

    @aenigma, chuck, zdeno – i see what you mean about the two dudes on the left. they seem low-energy and older but pretty serious and possibly mean. possibly natural practitioners of aloof asshole game.

    @dcbartender – so if you know these folks, can you give us more assessments? how close are our personality reads based just on one photo? also i think the heavy girl works at the gibson, no?

    @GMan – hilarious. although you do have to respect the art of mixing a perfect cocktail. i always appreciate it whether from a man or woman.

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  34. It’s about TIME you brought this back!

    I guessed the dude on the right too, but the pucker in his jacket makes it look as if his right hand is in his pocket.

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  35. White-trash mimosa: Milwaukee’s Best plus Tang. Plus two duck eggs in season.

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  36. on July 1, 2009 at 3:13 pm WorkForPoon

    Re “lurker” (gee what a creative name!:) ) I think harold ramis is overrated. he claims he “wrote: caddyshack,but he shared credit with Brian Doyle Murray–Bills brother,’course–and another guy. Those 2 were actually caddies on the North Shore,and thats what inspired the story. My question:who wrote Bill Murrays immortal line about “total consciousness”? If Ramis wrote that,then I’ll grant that he prob gets most of the credit. If not,then maybe he’s just a hanger on with funnier guys like Aykroyd,Murray etc. As for these guys,I assume we’re picking whos the relatively alpha,as none of them seem too impressive. Goth guy,no way,he’s aloser.lives with mom,has a fat GF,who would cheat if she had the op! “Guido” is prob a mean drunk!

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  37. workforpoon—kindly go back to whatever you crawled out of. No one cares if you think he’s overrated. His work speaks for itself.

    doug1–I know Mandy XD is a heifer. Her mating call is moooo…

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  38. The other guy who wrote Caddyshack was the late Doug Kenney–co-founder of National Lampoon and co-writer of (and player of Stork in) Animal House, among many other things. People who knew him invariably say he was the funniest person they’ve ever met.

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  39. Interesting observation about shorter guys and Game, Roissy; afterall, me and Style look to be about the same height (I’m 5’8″ or so)? And I think Wonka’s comments are on it, studies here have indeed proven that taller Men have an easier go of things in general, than shorter guys.

    Having said that though, I’ve always been a scrappy kind of guy, and turn whatever disadvantages in my life into strengths. So things like Game gave me a decided edge over guys much taller and/or bigger than myself. Which explains why I’ve been able to do the things I have in my life.

    I wonder though, if some kind of poll heightwise in the PUA community could be commissioned. It would be interesting to see.

    Perhaps we could start one right here?

    O

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  40. My initial look made me think that the guy at the far left (looking at the picture) might possibly be up there too.

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  41. @Wonka

    I agree there’s correlation between height and success in most arenas, but I think the causation is more complicated.

    If you grow up being the shortest kid in your classes and on your sports teams, you’re less likely to develop natural alpha tendencies. You played soccer instead of football, the coaches didn’t let you pitch meaningful innings in little league, and you weren’t the first to start shaving. It’s similar to Malcolm Gladwell’s finding that if you’re Canadian, you’re more likely to go pro born in January than December. Success breeds confidence, which breeds more success.

    I know plenty of short alphas, though, and they seem just as successful as tall alphas. Usually they’re the products of unusual situations – the oldest of ten kids, the preternaturally talented soccer player, the spoiled only child.

    I also know a few tall betas and omegas, again products of peculiar environments that encourage betahood, like growing up with one or more older sisters or with doting, cloying mothers.

    PUA stuff has the biggest impact on people with some latent alpha traits who just need a kick to overcome inhibitions and dominate their relationships. Those guys are more likely to be short – if you’re a tall guy who somehow grew up beta anyway, you’re probably beyond help. If you’re a tall alpha, you don’t need the help because you’re more likely a natural.

    To put it another way, the variance of alpha-ness is much greater than the variance of height in the U.S. male population. Tall alpha > Short alpha >> Tall beta > Short beta

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  42. wish the picture was better

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  43. “And I think Wonka’s comments are on it, studies here have indeed proven that taller Men have an easier go of things in general, than shorter guys.”

    @Obsidian —

    Discussion with my ex last weekend confirmed that.

    She was hectoring me for seeing transformers with my son, because it features “that trashy ho megan fox”.

    Me: She’s nice to look at.
    Ex: That’s just so shallow. Men are so shallow.
    Me: Oh? What about women and height?
    Ex: {pause}
    Ex: That’s different.
    Me: Oh?
    Ex: Yes, a woman needs a man who is taller than she is when she is in heels. Otherwise it’s not on.
    Me: And this isn’t shallow?
    Ex: It’s just the way it is.
    Me: So women are shallow too, then, when it comes to height?
    Ex: Whatever

    The conversation wasn’t as snippy as my paraphrasing suggests, but certainly points were scored.

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  44. Now that Pupu is familiar with the South Park style, the Bush-Putin picture from the previous “Spot the Alpha” post could be fresh out of the show.

    The McConaughey guy looks like someone who fell off an academic track and had to take up bartending for a living. The misfit in his look and his profession could compromise his alpha status in women’s eyes. The goth dude in the back could be a poet which lends him to a much better position as a bartender. Neurotic, self-destructive but very hot girls could fall for him while imagining him writing soul-searching and world-loathing poems after working at a sawdust restaurant. The look and body language of the disco stu would be more alpha like if he is a bar owner instead of a bartender. The two guys on the far left look more like solid bartenders who shake strong drinks that send ladies to the their beds.

    In sum, the evaluation of a guy’s alpha status may change according to our existing knowledge about him, in this case, his profession.

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  45. richmondbachelor

    “G Manifesto, how often has your smoking caused a non-swoop?”

    Honestly?

    One.

    A couple of months ago.

    The benefits and free leads far outweigh.

    But I can see this trend happening more in the future.

    People simply do not smoke anymore in America.

    Time to move.

    – MPM

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  46. maurice

    “@GMan – hilarious. although you do have to respect the art of mixing a perfect cocktail. i always appreciate it whether from a man or woman.”

    Sure I do.

    Especially from an old school bartender.

    But the fact remains, conventional thinking that bartenders are alphas comes from “The Hollywood Effect”.

    They are far from top of the food chain.

    Bartenders are like gazelles.

    Possibly a very aggressive army ant.

    – MPM

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  47. I didn’t read the post or comments yet, just looked at the picture. Here goes.

    Left to right analysis:
    • The guy on the far left, holding the glass, he’s uncomfortable and kind of posey
    • The guy second from left behind glass guy is too nondescript and unremarkable
    • Third from the left is holding his hands funny, which belies his comfort
    • The cutie with the stripped tie is comfortable but not alpha
    • The guy with the scruffy face who appears quite handsome is not holding his hands comfortably enough on her shoulders for me to name him alpha and his smile is tentative
    • The broody guy in black at the back is an asshole perhaps but not an alpha one
    • The fellow in front of him is not alpha
    • The man with the grin is David Alexander and we KNOW he is not alpha
    • The alpha man is on the far right, he’s got the look, especially in the eyes, direct to the camera, no need for big smiles, he owns the picture if you ask me.

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  48. Read the post. I’m good! *happy dance ensues

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  49. women are weird about height. They have this rule that men should be 3-5 inches taller; too much so, and its freakish, but less, and they “can’t wear heels because I’ll be taller.”

    Seems these broads forget the 3 reasons heels look good on a woman:

    –tones up the legs/makes looks slimmer (but not in a Michelle Obama/Lesbian bodybuilder’s ugly arms way)
    —plumps ass out
    —sticks boobs out

    In other words, heels make a woman appear more sexually fertile, which turns men on.

    So ladies forget how tall you are. It doesn’t make you sexier.

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  50. Does anyone think that goth dude kinda looks like Roissy? Roissy seems to have the Dwight Shrute-“showing teeth is a sign of weakness” rule, so I thought he’d give bonus points for that.

    Good call on McConaughey.

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  51. I’ll never forget one girl I dated talking about some rich guy she tried to date but couldn’t because he was her height. Then after she broke up with him, she found out he was a millionaire with a private jet (they only dated a few weeks), and how she wished she’d known that before, because she would have given him a second chance.

    So I basically called her out on it: if I were 3 inches shorter, she wouldn’t like me.

    She admitted yes.

    Then I said: but if I were a millionaire, I’d be eve hotter to you.

    Yes.

    Women are whores.

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  52. So ladies forget how tall you are. It doesn’t make you sexier.

    Tall ladies produce tall babies and a woman taller than her man will accentuate his lack of height, thus lowering her mate’s perceived value.

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  53. Questions on the pictures:

    1) Could PUA guy be gay? He’s touching the FAT CHICK like he might be her gay bf? And he is trendy looking…Then again, both PUA’s and teh gheys both are very life-of-the-party, center of attention, cocky-social types, so it may be my weakness at knowing game that’s causignt he confusion.

    2)Is goth guy really a guy? Looks a bit andrgynous…maybe a lesbian?

    Sorry, might be tough to tell with my bad eyes.

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  54. Best point in this post: Disco stu (a lesser alpha) bangs more chicks than the true alpha. At certain marginal points, effort and a lack of shame override alpha-ness.

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  55. I think the natural alpha has a Don Draper look about him. Yum.

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  56. Seeking Alpha, that makes zero sense. I have never known a man to go “that chicks too tall for me/to be hot.”

    Tall men I get why women like: protection, intimidation, etc.

    I don’t know how a tall woman emasculates or lower’s a man’s value. If anything, it raises his value: if he is shorter yet still an alpha, he must be a higher alpha.

    Napoleon, Chinese drug lords, Ghengis Khan, etc.

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  57. The G Manifesto:

    “Bartenders, although they have hollywood on their side, are not alphas (sure there is an exception to the rule).”

    This is somewhat dependent on type of bartender. A hotel bartender, is beta. But one in a nice club or for example a Gtown college bar…there are some alpha’s there.

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  58. on July 1, 2009 at 4:04 pm mandy been here a while

    “There are a lot of short guys in the PUA community. I leave it as an exercise for the reader why this is so. Verdict: Lesser alpha.”

    Another take on this:

    Although women claim to prefer tall men, we all know they really prefer dominant men (height can mask a lack of natural dominance sometimes also, most women have no clue what they really want so “Tall” sounds good and if they do know they don’t really want to admit what they actually desire because that would offend the sensibilities of their feminist friends. We must not offend them!)

    Tall men therefore often believe that PUA has nothing to offer them since they already have what women say they want. Short men, on the other hand, tend to believe they need a boost with the ladies since they naturally lack what they’ve been told women want.

    There they learn that any man, regardless of height, has inside him the goods to get women. and tell their friends but only the short ones listen (haven’t quite worked this part out…)

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  59. Seeking Alpha, that makes zero sense. I have never known a man to go “that chicks too tall for me/to be hot.”

    It’s not true for everyone, but if we took a poll of the room on whether they’d prefer a hot chick who is 5’0″, 5’4″, 5’7″ or 5’11”, the average would be between 5’4″ and 5’7″.

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  60. Nothing broadcasts uptight loser internationally as guys who make a big deal about smoking. When abroad it’s always the SWPL American or British guy bitching about cigarette smoke. So embarrassing.

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  61. Me: So women are shallow too, then, when it comes to height?
    Ex: Whatever

    Heh heh heh, I once dropped that one on some fat chicks who were scoffing at men’s “shallow” liking of petite women.

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  62. i’m a fairly short guy, like 5’6″ or so, and i definitely would prefer to date a woman at my height or less; i guess you get so used to the idea that the man is most often the taller party in a relationship that it seems kind of odd otherwise. also i feel like too great a height differential becomes sexually awkward but the few chicks that i have been with have mostly been the same height as myself so it is hard to say whether it is really so awkward in practice.

    the real problem is that the height preference that chicks have is not relative to their own height at all. it doesn’t matter if the woman is 4’10” or 5’10”, they always wanna date the 6’5″ guy. so what always ends up happening for some reason is lots of tall guys pick up the short chicks, and you have a bunch of tall chicks and short guys left over who won’t touch each other.

    next to introversion, short stature is one of the biggest disabilities a guy can have these days, hands down. its hard to get anyone to take you seriously either at the office or on the dating scene when you look like a twelve year old boy.

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  63. With regards to the height discussion, a friend of mine whose an avid baseball fan mentioned something to me once that may apply. His comment was that a lot of guys with loads of natural talent are unable to communicate what they do for the benefit of others. It just flows from them; it is natural. Generally, the best to learn from are the second rank guys who have talent, but had to actually pay attention and actively learn in order to compete.

    So a not-too-short guy may indeed be able to out pick-up his competition since the taller guy may squander his advantage.

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  64. “It’s not true for everyone, but if we took a poll of the room on whether they’d prefer a hot chick who is 5′0″, 5′4″, 5′7″ or 5′11″, the average would be between 5′4″ and 5′7″.”

    Actually, it might skew downward to average between the 5’0″ and 5’4″ as I remember seeing that men actually prefer shorter women, all other things being equal.

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  65. @aeofe- happy dance? post a clip…

    @nova- well i am you are educating him about the ways of the world in all kinds of ways, not just about that slutty megan fox. good for you. the problem most non-custodial fathers have is that the bitter ex-es work to poison the child’s mind against them. very pernicious and very common.

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  66. I’m 5’8″ and actually had somewhat of a thing for petite girls. But even in my AFC days (wouldn’t say beta days, as I trace it back, I pretty much only scored when I unknowingly swooped the girl with alpha/game-ish behavior); anyway, even in those days, I scored unproportionally high number of tall 6’+ girls, 5 to be exact out of about 12 or so in 3-4 years.
    So I have a thing for tall girls too now. There is a certain kick you get and now way I’d agree a tall fly girl wrapped around your hand makes you less attractive.

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  67. LR I agree with Wonka, here (and I still don’t see anyone who looks like Matthew M). No matter how hot a guy is, if he’s not taller than 5′10 at the minimum, it’s a no go.

    Don’t count short men out, they have some nice qualities that taller men don’t often have.

    cptnapalm Actually, it might skew downward to average between the 5′0″ and 5′4″ as I remember seeing that men actually prefer shorter women, all other things being equal.

    Oh dear, that means my 5’9.5 frame is too long for most men.

    *awaits willard’s slick reply*

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  68. Seeking, but we don’t reject. Roissy’s recent post about the really tall amazon proof-positive.

    While I might prefer a woman’s height to be X, it does nto follow I will reject her if she is height Y.

    Just like I prefer redheads overall, but a blonde or brunette isn’t excluded from my bedside.

    BTW, my preferences change via my mood and the angle of the moon. SOmetimes I like me a spinner, othertimes I’d really like a gangly biatch, and then one my height. Just like most days I like a redhead best, other days I’d like some fine dark asian snatch or platinum pussy.

    Rooshv had a post once about his porn tastes changing week to week. Height preference is just one factor that is mutable but not determinative for men.

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  69. I’m 5’9″ and I’ve always liked petite girls too – both in height and in weight. I’d prefer smaller tits but a smaller waist to bigger in both (though obviously big tits/small waist is ideal).

    My fiancée is 5’4″ so even in the highest heels, she’s at best my height and I like it that way. I wouldn’t want to walk around with a taller girl.

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  70. Fat chicks can’t complain. They can just lose weight. Men can’t grow without surgery.

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  71. Lurker – I’m reminded of the Entourage episode where that tall girl had a thing for E. ‘She’s always leaning over me’. Hehe, I think that’s how a lot of shorter guys would feel with a tall woman like that.

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  72. Looked at IMDB. Karl Malden is dead at 97. Too bad, always liked him.

    Ramis wrote: Caddyshack, Back to School, Meatballs, Ghostbusters, Stripes, Groundhog Day, Analyze This, Analyze That, Bedazzled (remake), Year One, Club Paradise, Animal House. Not a bad record. Nine good to great comedies, three bad ones.

    Ramis, the Zuckers, and John Hughes pretty much WERE 80’s and early 1990’s comedy. No one has been able to replace them, lots of stuff relies on shock (naked guys, icky sex, ala Apatow or Sascha Baron Cohen). Ghostbusters for example except for some mild language has no real content that’s not PG. It’s harder to work clean, the jokes have to be tighter, more in keeping with the characters, and more non-stop. Most guys just are not funny.

    Chevy Chase said once that the reason comedies suck now is that no one will spring for the modest amounts needed to on-set rewrites. A joke or even half of them will sound great on paper and table reads, and then fall flat visually once it’s filmed and need tuning or a total rethink to work.
    ————
    WRT height, yeah, it’s a bummer for short guys, under 6 foot or so. Women won’t change downwards, that’s the way it is, and even Game will only take PUA so far. I suspect taller more successful PUA like Mystery vs. Style have a huge advantage. For a guy like Mystery, it’s more a factor of not screwing up vs. say, Strauss who has to work hard and is always competing with other guys even after he’s nailed her. Since she’s not nailed down.

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  73. entourage comes back in a few weeks… getting a little tired but still fun. a guy version of SATC.

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  74. on tall chicks, most girls at 5’10” or so start acting self-conscious and slouching. That behavior is a point loser. I notice another thing when some girls wear miniskirts and spend all night tugging at it. Be comfortable in what you are or are wearing.

    As for being a guy of a certain height, hanging in DC is cool because I can stand up and basically see above the crowd while, when I hang out in Baltimore, I feel slightly below average in height. Blue collar city versus white collar, city I guess.

    An awful picture. Fat guy on the far left looks like he thinks he’s alpha, despite hand placement. Guy on right at least has hands down and back straight but I think his alleged handsomeness is an illusion. I think his real world photo will show a very goofier face.

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  75. entourage comes back in a few weeks… getting a little tired but still fun. a guy version of SATC.

    Yup, July 12th… can’t wait. I thought last season had some great episodes though, including the best scene of the entire show – the bitch slap:

    BAM!

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  76. @lurker, whiskey – ghostbusters was on AMC last night and i was looking at it for the first time in years. it sorta holds up pretty well today, if it weren’t already so famliar. i like back to school only because of rodney, a total sui-generis genius. most of the rest of those are classics, of course but i kinda liked the “bedazzled” remake more than i thought i would. brendan frazier was quite good as a comic lead, so i wonder why he does all those crappy CGI movies ($$, i know).

    the bit about on-set rewrites makes a lot of sense, actually. i can see that. but how expensive could it be, really, to have some writers and comics on hand to look at the dailies or whatever? are you sure it’s cost and not just the ego of the screenwriter or the suit that greenlighted a particular version of a script?

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  77. but it is interesting, second from the right’s (2R) attempt at hand draping over far right handside guy (1R) makes 2R look beta and increases 1R’s status. Finally, what is up with the invisible man? They couldn’t pose him in a comfortable, visible spot?

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  78. @S_A – was that last season? i’m pretty sure it was a few seasons ago, though i could be wrong.

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  79. Nope, last season. Just re-watched it in anticipation. Also had the scene where Alan has a heart attack on the sickest golf course I’ve ever seen.

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  80. I have a friend who every time I meet someone needs to know how tall the dude is. She’s 5’9″. I always say I have no idea. I’m 5’5″ which seems to be a pretty good height for most men. She claims she needs a tall guy in order to feel small. I’ve never felt overly tall, so I guess my specific need for tall guys is diminished. I recently went out with a guy who was 6’7″ and even in four inch heels I felt waaaay too short. There is such a thing as too tall.

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  81. You’re telling me that no one realizes back center-right is Roissy?

    Reread the description.

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  82. yeah, the golf-club heart attack was a real curve-ball – didn’t see it coming at all. unusually, becuase once they set up a situation, the show is such that i can usually see right away how it’s going to play out. it’s variations on the same theme. but it’s so much fun to see how they get there that you don’t care.

    i kind of liked the martin landau character, based on robert evans, a few seasons back. he was set up as a kind of past-his-prime buffoon but the way they ended his story in that season had a lot of pathos. again unexpected.

    btw, i was in a bar in LA two summers ago and saw kevin conolly there. he’s SHORT. was wearing glasses, and had a bevy of female hangers-on, 8’s mainly.

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  83. @ Tommy

    It does kind of look like him. And he is from the MM school. And the grainy photo could be just so people wouldn’t recognize him.

    Could be.

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  84. btw, i was in a bar in LA two summers ago and saw kevin conolly there. he’s SHORT. was wearing glasses, and had a bevy of female hangers-on, 8’s mainly.

    I’ve always liked that character. I can identify with him the most. I’m the short, smart Irishman of my crew making the wise decisions, a little shy but getting the cute “good” girls.

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  85. Enterouge blows. Its 4 whiny betas who got lucky because one got famous and they became hangers on. It has no plot to speak of and the only decent guy to watch is Ari; otherwise, its 4 faggots getting cockblocked by Bob Sagat.

    Well, Chevy Chase really has no line of defense in saying why comedies suck, since pretty much every one of his movies outside of Fletch, CaddyShack, and maybe Vacation sucked. Heh.

    At his roast, I believe the money quote was he made a career out of 3 good movies and 4000 shitty ones

    That being said, Ghostbusters really does hold up well. Its so shocking to watch, because its really a hybrid genre–a comedic action movie, or serious action comedy.

    The genre is small, but breath-taking: very funny movies with very funny cast members involved in an action plot that gets you deeply interested in the outcome (i.e. it’s not just a MacGuffin for the jokes).

    The two Ghostbusters and the first two Beverly Hills Cop movies pretty much sum up the genre. Bill and Ted (the first one) and Back to the Future might even fall into the genre, but they;’re clearly not really action, more like silly adventure you don’t mind following.

    However, the plot is hard to develop, and often fails. See Spies Like Us. By the end of the 80s, it split back into the Lethal Weapon-type movies: clearly action movies with some funny throwaway quips and lines; and straight comedies where plot is unimportant (Ace Ventura, Billy Madison, etc.)

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  86. aoefe —

    I’m 6’3″. I really haven’t found many short girls that have a problem with as tall as me, so long as they aren’t under 5′. Under 5 then yeah. They seem to think they’re in a special category and only short works for them. Maybe I think they are too — not so attracted to under 5′. Down to though is fine.

    Real tall has it’s impress other advantages, but it’s really not a preference for me at all.

    When I was younger though, I always found that I had sort of lay up advantages with real tall girls, 5’10 or esp. 5’11 or 6′. It’s like they didn’t have a choice. Then when they discovered I wasn’t a dork, and had some moves, it could be like desperate. Thinking of two girls at the moment.

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  87. I have been reading this blog for a while now, and I wanted some advice from the people here on my situation.

    I met a French exchange student last week, she is 22 years old, a solid 7. I am a 30 year old male, with moderate game, and relatively good looking.
    A higher beta/nascent alpha according to what I have read on here.

    The first date went well, I am a cultured guy and somewhat of a Francophile, so I was able to hold down an interesting and witty conversation with her, especially about French arts and culture, which definitely impressed her, she even remarked that I knew more about French film and arts that she does.

    I teased her throughout the date, especially about her weak command of the language, and kino’ed as much as I could. She did not recoil from my kino, but neither did she reciprocate. Although, I remained engaged throughout the night, towards the end of the night, I played aloof so as not too appear needy. She had mentioned that night, that some guy she met earlier in the week was texting her constantly and that it was “ too much”.

    After the date, I decided to wait and see if she would text me , and she did 2 days later. We made a date to go eat sushi, the date one again went well, lots of laughing, I am kino’ing when I tease once again, but she does not kino back hmm. I complimented her once on her choice of clothes. I make it a point not to compliment hot girls on their looks ever. I figured 2 dates, one compliment, not bad. I have done everything by the book on this blog, I lean back, let her lean into me, I keep things light and breezy when necessary, but engage on more philosophical topics when it calls for it, she is a very smart girl for her age (physics major).

    I invite her back to my place to listen to records (she loves music), we drink beer, I am ready to escalate to a kiss close. When we sit on the couch and I start giving her the “sexual vibe” (sexual eyes, looking at her lips etc) she out of nowhere mentions she has a boyfriend. Weak. We talk about it a little bit, I try to steer away from that topic as quickly as possible of course. She leaves, we do the French kiss on the cheeks as is customary and she leaves. As far as I am concerned I am being taken for a ride to play “ Bay Area Tour Guide” and quite frankly I do not have the time for it. I delete her number.

    Now she is texting me saying “she wants to party with me” “that she hopes she is not bothering me” and that “ I am the only person she knows and we should go out this weekend”. Honestly, I see these as red flags that she wants to stay in the let’s be friend zone while I play USA Ambassador.

    According to friends I have 3 Options. I want to know what you masters of the game have to say about these and hopefully provide alternatives.

    A.
    I can go out with her again, more casually, try to escalate again and see what happens. Honestly this option is not too appealing to me because time is the ultimate commodity and I have very little of it “just to see”.

    B. I can call her and tell her “hey, so I want to be honest with you, I am a super busy guy and when I mainly go out with women, it’s with women that I am dating, I am a LITTLE attracted to you, if the feeling is mutual, cool, we can proceed, if not, well I’d prefer to keep our conversations to email etc.”
    This way, I know what’s up and I am able to cut my losses early. The only problem I see with this approach is that according to everything I’ve read on here this could backfire since she already told me she has a boyfriend overseas, hence even if she was attracted to me, she’s not going to tell me she is as that would make her look like she is cheating on him and rob her of the plausible deniability that would be essential for me to seduce her.

    C. I tell her ”hey I can’t hang out on the weekend, because I am busy and only hang out on the weekends with women that I am dating ( this would fuck with her head since our date/meeting was last Saturday) but we can hang on the weekday, and then attempt to escalate as much as I can with the help of alcohol and seduction methods.

    What do you guys and girls think ?

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  88. Mo, writers: the stories about Hollywood disrespecting writers are legion. The few money guys (Esterhauz, Sorkin) who get the bucks are far dwarfed by the number who write and don’t get squat.

    The famous story is about writers of movies not getting invited to their own premieres.

    And this stretches way back to the 50s, and probably beyond. In his classic movie, “The BellBoy” Jerry Lewis opens with a montage of sketches wherein he plays the various people involved in making a movie: director/star/writer/etc.

    The writer is portrayed as dirt poor, over worked, and disheveled.

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  89. The golf-course heart attack was machina ex deus and shit. Weak, plus I liked Davi’s character.

    I am going to go out on a limb here and say that R is not one of DC’s mixologist bartenders…on par with Todd Thrasher. What does he do, skip work on Fridays and Saturdays to swoop fly girls?

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  90. Forgot to mention 48 Hours as well. Eddie Murphy does the genre well.

    And perhaps Goonies, but that’s more children-adventure than action.

    You could throw Big Trouble in China, except its plot is too silly to have you seriously invested. I know, ghostbusters is about Ghosts, but for some reason you *buy* the story when you’re wacthing it. not for nothing they franchised the shit out of it on Satruday mornings.

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  91. Aoefe,
    LOL. You’re girlfriend is funny.
    I done lost count both as to the number of Women I done had who was considerably taller than me, as well as to the number of Women who swore up and down that they’d *never* date a Man shorter than themselves. And since I pride myself on my staying power, they all stuck around for at least a few years a piece.

    Being a Big Man is every bit a mental thing, not a physical one. Like Wallet Game, merely being a big physical guy is easy. Requires no skill, no degree of mastery, hence, really doesn’t convey competence, dominance.

    Again: Style is about my height, considerably shorter than bot Mystery and for that matter Roissy. He is where he is with Women because his skills demand it.

    *Chuckling at Aoefe’s girlfriend* she’s funny.

    O

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  92. @lurker – funny and true about chevy chase. and he’s apparently a real dick, too, to work with. but take a second look at entourage. ari is awesome as a frenetic jewish alpha male, but funnily whipped by his wife, and the boys aren’t really betas. they’re just living the dream – not faggots, actually surrounded by primo tail all the time and partaking whenever they can. the one character i think is too much of an over-the-top cliche is drama. but yeah, the subplots are all variations on the same theme. so it can get monotonous. but if you like the scene, then it’s a lot of fun.

    what did you think of “breaking bad”? that was my fave these past few months – very dark and interesting.

    i remember thinking about your point of action/plot vs. straight comedy when i watched “hollywood homicide” on an airplane a few years ago. vehicle for harrison ford and josh hartnett. trying to split that difference, and doing neither well at all. i wondered about that – why the writers couldn’t see that the movie was going to suck because it wasn’t going to hang together. but i guess you can’t tell until you see on on teh screen – if there’s movie magic or epic fail. crappy movie. i think the difference with ghostbusters was that it combined comedy not with action but with horror/occult, which is even rarer and harder.

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  93. I don’t think any of these men look particularly alpha. Some of them are more dominating in the picture, but none of them really control it.

    Without actually hearing them talk, seeing them move, and with the crap photo, girl’s POV:

    -Three on the left, the two in front are dismissed without thought. The one in the middle looks like he -might- be interesting to talk to, but easily could go nowhere.

    -Striped tie… they let 19 year olds serve alcohol? I’m not looking to train a puppy. Next.

    -Guido… Is that the Douche Signal? Quick, Robin, to the Douche Cave!

    -Goth kid… probably LARPs. I’ll pass.

    -Two guys between gothkid and the guy on the end look like such beta males, they’d probably get all clingy on me. Skip.

    -Guy on the end… he looks like a hotter version of my friend’s ex-husband who got fat and addicted to WoW. Also looks like sex would be incredibly vanilla in bed. Hot-ish does not make up for boring sex.

    I’d listen in on a conversation of the second guy from the left, see if he proved intelligent. I’d also check on Guido, just in case his exterior was a bit of bait for the stereotypical club chick as opposed to representing his actual personality, but would have no hopes. If those two didn’t pan out, I’d ditch the group. None of them look particularly appealing, none of them look alpha.

    On the height thing, yes, I prefer taller guys. I’ve had three partners that were in the 6’6″ – 6’9″ range and that was wonderful. But if a guy’s got a quick wit and a dominant personality, I’m still game. I think the shortest I’ve been with was 5’4″. (For your reference, I’m 5’9″.)

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  94. some minor seluthing says that mongol warrior is probably sebastian zutant of proof

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  95. @oscar

    I like C the best. I’m wondering why she didn’t bring bf up until she was in your place though? Was this her way of roadblocking sex to make herself look less slutty? She might have been bluffing (not a great bluff though). It sounds to me like you’ve been playing things really well so far. (I’m a girl – you might hear different from the dudes).

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  96. @RTC

    I think doting mothers have the opposite outcome.

    I agree with Freud:

    “A man who has been the indisputable favorite of his mother keeps for life the feeling of conqueror, that confidence of success that often induces real success. “

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  97. I think the frat boy is hot. Heh.

    @ oscar

    “When we sit on the couch and I start giving her the “sexual vibe” (sexual eyes, looking at her lips etc) she out of nowhere mentions she has a boyfriend.”

    In other words, “Not happening, buddy.”

    “hey, so I want to be honest with you, I am a super busy guy and when I mainly go out with women, it’s with women that I am dating, I am a LITTLE attracted to you, if the feeling is mutual, cool, we can proceed, if not, well I’d prefer to keep our conversations to email etc.”

    Um…? Don’t you ever, ever, ever say that to a woman. Just tell her you’re busy.

    And be busy.

    SRSLY.

    (Bay area what what….)

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  98. askjoe–

    The golf-course heart attack was machina ex deus and shit.

    Ah… deus ex machina.

    Not raggin ya and I guess I risk sounding pedantic. Just you know, if you’re gonna use it with girls and stuff….

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  99. askjoe – What makes you say that is Sebastian?

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  100. @doug – I’m 6′3″

    Nice!

    @Obsidian

    I agree size does not matter…

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  101. oh, and alleged alpha, alleged Mathew mcconaghey, is probably Derek Brown of DC Coast. I’ll leave it to the ladies to determine how matt. M. the guy actually is.

    doug1-use it with girls? Is that what the kids call those things now?

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  102. yeah lil girl, i think that’s what i read too. and yes i agreed option of telling her i am attracted is not going to work.
    the problem is she is definitely fun to hang out with and i would like to see if I can pull this off.

    hence option c

    “I tell her ”hey I can’t hang out on the weekend, because I am busy and only hang out on the weekends with women that I am dating ( this would fuck with her head since our date/meeting was last Saturday) but we can hang on the weekday, and then attempt to escalate as much as I can with the help of alcohol and seduction methods.”

    Thanks aoefe and lil girl on the response. any advice on this one guys ?

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  103. on July 1, 2009 at 5:45 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    One thing that should be obvious on this thread is that the opinions of the female posters are pretty much the only ones that matter.

    We can dicker back and forth about why the women’s opinions are what they are, but, they are what they are.

    Doug1,

    deus ex machina

    Yeah.
    Although “machina ex deus” could certainly apply to my George Foreman grill. Mmmm.

    LILGRL

    I think the frat guy is hot.

    You would.
    He probably can’t fix computers.

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  104. I found the ontap online list of mixologists and googled a few of them and S.Z. sort looks like goth boy.

    http://www.proofdc.com/team.php#profile

    FYI, harold ramis was pretty easy to figure out.

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  105. oscar – The fewer words the better. Shows you spent less time thinking about it and there’s less to fuck up.

    I’d imagine something more along the lines of “can’t – busy. tuesday at 7, we’ll go to XYZ” would work better.

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  106. oscar,

    “she has a boyfriend overseas”

    Roll out with her again.

    Take her to a spot you got on lock (no dinners).

    Keep the booze flowing.

    Go in for the kill.

    Sounds like a lay down deal (so to speak).

    – MPM

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  107. on July 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    I tell her ”hey I can’t hang out on the weekend, because I am busy and only hang out on the weekends with women that I am dating ( this would fuck with her head since our date/meeting was last Saturday) but we can hang on the weekday, and then attempt to escalate as much as I can with the help of alcohol and seduction methods.”

    I really, really, really hope you’ve misplaced a quote mark.

    On the other hand, with the right delivery, you could TOTALLY get those literal lines to work. Trust me.
    Awesome.

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  108. oscar, option D, more e-tabs.

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  109. @oscar- if she was american, i’d say eject/dump. she’d be a cocktease looking to use you. but .. she’s FRENCH. a certain civilized adultery is practically the national pasttime. so, keep her in your orbit for a bit to see how things develop.

    of your options, B is the worst. being direct like that is a total sexy-time mood-kill. A is bad for the reasons you identified – more of the same, no escalation, continuance as LJBF. C is OK but could be improved. it signals your intent but needs to be done in a more subtle way. let me think about it. doug is usually really good with these as well.

    give us more info on her level of interest, which you should be able to gauge. from what you wrote, she did not respond to your kino at all, which is not a good sign, and the only positive feedback is laughing a lot during second date. which may not have had any sexual vibe at all. did you get any clear positive sexual signals?

    another option would be to go the other way – double down. be her u.s. tour guide, but make it cool, funny, interesting, and sexy. it’s an opportunity to show leadership, knowledge, lots of DHVs. she’ll go wherever you want, right? so you choose. at a certain point, if it’s working, make negging jokes abotu the bf (could he do any of this?)

    not sure – i think we need a little more info.

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  110. on July 1, 2009 at 5:49 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Incidentally, Frat Boy probably gets the most $ in tips (which are, of course, disproportionally given by guys).

    Guy on the left, who has something naturally adversarial (to other males) about him, probably gets the least.

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  111. lurker

    “Forgot to mention 48 Hours as well. Eddie Murphy does the genre well. ”

    You forgot to mention the best one of the genre: The Golden Child.

    Hell, I would watch that movie right now if it was on.

    Fly girl in that flick as well.

    And Boxer Randall “Tex” Cobb.

    – MPM

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  112. Also Oscar, one idea out of left field…

    Let’s assume that: this girl is gorgeous, French, interested in hanging out with you but doesn’t want to hook up with you.

    Sounds like a great female wingman. Hot girls are great social proof, and even if she doesn’t realize what you’re doing (probably especially if) it could work out great.

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  113. @ oscar

    Alright, alright. I didn’t say you had to nix her as an opportunity.

    But your solution: “hey I can’t hang out on the weekend, because I am busy and only hang out on the weekends with women that I am dating ( this would fuck with her head since our date/meeting was last Saturday) but we can hang on the weekday”

    Will probably sound like: “Hey, I can’t hang out with you this weekend because I am busy…did I mention that I meant, busy with other women? Women I am dating? In other words, not you? Do you want to be a woman I’m dating? Well, too bad! Anyway, I’m busy…I promise, super, super busy…but let’s hang out this week because I’m not that busy.”

    Just tell her you’re busy this weekend and that you might be free like Tuesday night. Or sth. And then be busy again! Haha. Kidding. Unless you actually are busy. If she’s going to let you take her out on a date-date like that while she has a boyfriend, and then bring him up just as something’s about to happen, she shouldn’t be a priority anyway.

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  114. askjoe

    “oscar, option D, more e-tabs.”

    Good one.

    That is actually option “G”:

    Flash big bankroll
    E-tabs
    Suited down
    spot on lock walking distance to your crib

    Works every time.

    – MPM

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  115. @ Epoxytocin No. 87

    “On the other hand, with the right delivery, you could TOTALLY get those literal lines to work. Trust me.”

    WITH THE RIGHT DELIVERY.

    If you don’t know what 87 is talking about, though — that is, if you even have to think for a second about what the “right delivery” might be…don’t try it. Just don’t!

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  116. chic noir admitted:

    Oh dear, that means my 5′9.5 frame is too long for most men.

    bah – we already know how wide you are

    just tell us how tall

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  117. maurice —

    but take a second look at entourage. ari is awesome as a frenetic jewish alpha male, but funnily whipped by his wife, and the boys aren’t really betas. they’re just living the dream – not faggots, actually surrounded by primo tail all the time and partaking whenever they can.

    Oh yeah, I love Entourage. You’ve nailed Ari. Though I think it’s entirely unrealistic that he doesn’t EVER cheat on his wife. Not and be that high T alpha agent in Hollywood. It isn’t that he plays the role with her that he does.

    Oh the boys other than Vincent Chase (based a bit on the starting out Marky Mark, Mark Wahlberg) are betas, except a little bit Drama. But they get some pussy by celebrity power social proof and just being there within Vince’s orbital pull.

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  118. Ok, of course, Option G for you, but option D (duh, first choice!) for me.

    SA has good advice too, if you can’t close and she’s hot, then she’s an awesome duck-decoy that you can use to lure in other hotties by having her hang out with you.

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  119. Oh the boys other than Vincent Chase (based a bit on the starting out Marky Mark, Mark Wahlberg) are betas, except a little bit Drama. But they get some pussy by celebrity power social proof and just being there within Vince’s orbital pull.

    E got Sloane and her hot friend in a threesome all on his own. If getting that threesome is beta, I don’t wanna be alpha.

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  120. i think you all are crazy. the dude on the far right, while having the overall appearance of a man, has feminine features. he looks post-op.

    women love bartenders. bartenders get laid quite often; i suspect that’s why Roosh had a short stint tending bar.

    naturally alpha is also difficult to ascertain here. tending bar will help a man develop those skills. a man who is not “naturally” alpha and tends bar will catch up quite quickly to the naturals to the point where you can’t tell the difference.

    so basically, we need a better definition of natural alpha…

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  121. Wow, when I first saw the picture, I thought,”Dang, that guy to the far right is the alpha. He’s fly.”

    And it turned out I was right.

    Do I get candy?

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  122. machina ex deus? machine from god. i can think of a lot of candidates. BMW Z-class, Google, jetski … a long list… 😉

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  123. oscar
    It could be a cultural thing. Maybe French women aren’t quick to put out.

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  124. Mandy, you think derek is fly?

    I think I called it. what do I know.

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  125. on July 1, 2009 at 6:02 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    i think you all are crazy. the dude on the far right, while having the overall appearance of a man, has feminine features. he looks post-op.

    That’s taking it a bit too far.

    The guy on the right is exactly the type who looks ambiguous in a picture like this one.

    He could be the soft-spoken dude at Wells Fargo who tells you in a sotto voce tenor about your available account options.

    Or he could be an SEC quarterback with glasses.

    You can’t tell from the picture.

    Interestingly, pretty much NO ONE else in the picture is ambiguous at all.

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  126. @ oscar

    if you want seduction success, don’t listen to girls

    lilgrl hasn’t had any strange since George Bush was elected

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  127. on July 1, 2009 at 6:05 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    machina ex deus?
    BMW Z-class, Google, jetski

    I’m sticking with the Foreman grill. My stomach is a direct path to my heart.

    Google is in a league of its own when it comes to browsing, but it is AWFUL at finding specific pages.

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  128. Mo, eh, I just can’t stomach it.

    As to the action/comedy hybrid, I think the key is it must starring actual comedians, who have a hand in writing/creating, and then have a solid action plot thrown in;

    the key, is, of course, for the star-comedian to take the plot itself seriously; if he isn’t the star, or if he cracks jokes on how silly the plot is, the audience loses interest. The comedian tells us when to laugh.

    The problem with Hollywood homicide is that it had two non-comedians in snarky roles. Murphy/Murray could have pulled it off, not them.

    I don’t really think Jerry Seinfeld is funny (not a dis, just not my taste) but he made an excellent point once about comedians v. actors.

    Basically he said that while a comedian can go on to be nominated at the academy awards (Greg Kinnear) for dramatic roles, Jack Nicholson can’t go become a successful stand-up. Comedians have range regular actors don’t.

    Similarly, an action-comedy movie that strives to be truly both needs comedians in the lead. Note in Ghostbusters, the only non-comedian actor of the 4some is Winston, who arrives late to the group.

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  129. Mandy! XD

    Wow, when I first saw the picture, I thought,”Dang, that guy to the far right is the alpha. He’s fly.”

    And it turned out I was right.

    Do I get candy?

    no, Candy For mandy

    but you do get
    a groupie application
    from

    Rivers Cuomo

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  130. in any event, colleghumor pretty much took down Entourage in their little video clip. Great stuff.

    “Vince can’t do the movie cause of ___X.”

    naked chicks naked chicks naked chicks.

    Ari: “Fuck it, I’ll fix it!”

    naked chicks naked chicks naked chicks.

    “Hey, X___isn’t happening, Vince can do the movie!”

    “We fucking run this town”

    naked chicks naked chicks naked chicks.

    roll credits.

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  131. @askjoe:

    That’s what he really looks like? o.0

    Or is this some sort of joke that I’m not getting because I don’t watch t.v.

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  132. @ maurice

    her level of sexual interest is undetermined at this point besides coming back to my place late at night, texting and calling me which i never initiate, and generally having a good time, no awkwardness, lots of laughter and witty flowing conversations.

    @ lilgirl. I think you may be right. if i tell her “hey i only hang out with girls that i am dating on the weekends” it seems a bit try hard. and yes i am very busy with work and school. i am also dating 4 girls currently but the french girl is the hottest for the reasons that any man who has dated a french woman would know.

    @ firepower. perhaps, but aoefe and lilgirl actually seem like cool chicks and not deluded like lady rain amongst others.

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  133. @Firepower:

    Weezer’s okay.

    But I really like

    Our Lady Peace.

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  134. lurker – That doesn’t sound like a take down, that sounds like a great formula. What great TV show doesn’t have a formula?

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  135. @oscar
    “I start giving her the “sexual vibe” (sexual eyes, looking at her lips etc) she out of nowhere mentions she has a boyfriend. Weak. We talk about it a little bit, I try to steer away from that topic as quickly as possible of course.”

    This may have been where you went wrong. I think that her saying she had a boyfriend may have been a shit-test to see how you would react, but without more info it is hard to tell.

    When you get to understand game more (as you have) your gut feeling is often the right one. I think your own analysis of her wanting you to be her LJBF tour guide seems spot-on. Something like your choice C would be the way to go. Although you could bring her out to a bar or club as a pivot for some social proof to swoop some other fly girls. Might even get some jealousy plotlines going.

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  136. oscar

    @ firepower. perhaps, but aoefe and lilgirl actually seem like cool chicks and not deluded like lady rain amongst others.

    they’ll even let you rub their tootsies
    during a SATC marathon

    u lucky dog

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  137. Mandy! XD

    @Firepower:

    Weezer’s okay.

    But I really like

    Our Lady Peace

    you little slut – i bet you’re a pushover for a really hot

    buddy holly
    impersonation 😉

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  138. on July 1, 2009 at 6:27 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir – Oh dear, that means my 5′9.5 frame is too long for most men.

    *awaits willard’s slick reply*

    Long on frame, short on brain.

    Slick enough for you, goat girl?

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  139. on July 1, 2009 at 6:30 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Harold Ramis shows that looks DO matter for guys.

    Egon was my Ghostbuster of Choice. “Do…” “Ray…” “Egon!” (OK, that’s GBII, but still.)

    Bedazzled (remake)

    A lousy movie, especially considering how great the original was. The remake had amusing opening credits, that was about it…although it’s probably not as bad if you’ve never seen the Cook/Moore version.

    I don’t understand some women’s fixation on a guy’s height. I mean, I can see having a preference, but I just can’t see being ruled by it. Women who write off an otherwise-great guy simply because he’s 5’8″ rather than 6′ are morons.

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  140. on July 1, 2009 at 6:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’Aenigma suspect the one on the far left would fuck you up on a whim”””””””””””’

    I thought same.

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  141. she not
    big boned

    she jes
    big haided

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  142. @ Firepower. fine. all women have bad advice regarding other women. what advice would you offer ?

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  143. on July 1, 2009 at 6:31 pm Willard Libby

    I don’t see any Alphas in the group but Good Time Guido might qualify as Alpha among the lollipop guild.

    It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.

    It’s inherently feminine or beta.

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  144. oscar —

    perhaps, but aoefe and lilgirl actually seem like cool chicks and not deluded like lady rain amongst others.

    Yes. They both are. Both are hot girls who like dominant men and know they do. Both if they’re being friendly actually try to give good dating/game advice (esp. aoefe). LILGRL is closer to your age (22). aoefe might be even a bit more insightful. Both are worth listening to.

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  145. oscar

    @ Firepower. fine. all women have bad advice regarding other women. what advice would you offer ?

    hmm.
    do the legwork – find ’em as fast as you can

    then I hand them over to you when I’m finished training them,

    fine print: no nammers, blonds or Mariel Boatlifters

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  146. on July 1, 2009 at 6:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    No Entourage character is a real alpha, like it or not. As Whiskey has said before, this show (like almost ALL others) is written for women.

    Of course the biggest swinging dick in Hollywood doesn’t cheat on his wife! Obviously Vince has the heart of a puppy dog! This is what women want to believe in their fantasies of snagging their own top tier alpha.

    The four characters represent the four personality traits that psychologist Dr. Paul Dobransky (who works in the community, occasionally alongside Paul Janka) has outlined: King, Warrior, Magician, and Lover. Everyone’s personality contains some combination of these four. This also creates a base appeal, as the audience will relate specifically to “their favorite.” You can take the test at kwml dot com to find out how you’re polarized.

    That’s why although the show has plenty of eye candy for men, the foursome is all but guaranteed to have a dreamboat for the lady viewers. And of course, the alphas are immediately neutered by any “worthy” girl. Open question: have any of the four guys EVER done anything truly objectionable to another character that couldn’t be rationalized given the circumstances?

    Guess what other feminized show uses the exact same formula? Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte, and the dyke. For five points, who can guess the girls’ Entourage matches?

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  147. @Firepower:

    Do you look just like Buddy Holly?

    Am I Mary Tyler Moore?

    Do you care what they say about us?

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  148. @ oscar

    “it seems a bit try hard.”

    “Try hard”! Sweet.

    “and yes i am very busy with work and school.”

    Fine, but you don’t need to give her a rundown of your schedule. “I’m busy” should be fine. Explaining that your valuable free time is reserved for girls you’re dating should never need to be explicitly stated.

    “i am also dating 4 girls currently but the french girl is the hottest for the reasons that any man who has dated a french woman would know.”

    …She never showers? Hehe, kidding. If she’s the hottest, then yeah, don’t give up. I really just meant, don’t make her your priority…

    @ phoenix

    “I think that her saying she had a boyfriend may have been a shit-test to see how you would react, but without more info it is hard to tell.”

    Possible. Kind of a weird shit-test to throw out just as something’s going to go down, though (I’d think it would happen earlier in the date). Seems more like she wanted to cut off [the sexiness vibe] right away.

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  149. @Willard Libby

    It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.

    I was talking with a friend and she said the exact same thing about the “serving dynamic” – but for female jobs. She said she’d never waitress again because the clothes suck (goddamn women) and the money was bad, unless she dressed sexy, and. That’s why she dances. She makes all the money and has all the control.

    I told her she was a natural to work the Bunny Ranch and she slapped me. true story

    stay thirsty, my friends

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  150. Mandy! XD

    @Firepower:

    Do you look just like Buddy Holly?

    Your tongue is twisted, your eyes are slit
    You need a guardian

    …oops, wrong girl

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  151. Oscar–

    First of all, you’re doing ok so far. Not barn burner, but fine. Don’t take her telling you about the bf thing too seriously yet. It was an easy go slower, avoid yes not right away, for her. Even if true, she’s just a bit long distance from him, she’s French, and most hot girls have some kind of bf most of the time, with widely varying levels of ultimate loyalty to them. You didn’t wow her but you probably are in possible bf / or anyway fine and fun “American tour guide” position. I’d guess she hasn’t decided, but doesn’t yet feel real sexually attracted. So you want to cut to that chase, one way or another.

    A. is not good as you’ve said because it’s essentially try another date on her terms, which are looking danger of LJBF or long string along, with no pre screen or pre game before. Reject.

    B. I can call her and tell her “hey, so I want to be honest with you, I am a super busy guy and when I mainly go out with women, it’s with women that I am dating, I am a LITTLE attracted to you, if the feeling is mutual, cool, we can proceed, if not, well I’d prefer to keep our conversations to email etc.”

    C. Avoids the awkward language of B above, but actually sends the wrong message. It says I’m fine with wanting to see you on a non date basis, but only on non prime date nights. Ok, makes you sound less available, but do you want to send the LJBF is ok message as well? Why would she say no to this if she did have exclusive LJBF intentions, unless the scheduling was impossible?

    B. The intent here is to smoke out her degree of interest in more than LJBF, her only one so far, ahead of time, but the language is false and stilted. Yeah with epoxytocin’s (LILGRL’s fiance’s) delivery – ironic about the stiltedness — it could work. No for you my son. Not yet. Say something like:

    “I’ll be honest, I have enough friends and am real busy in various ways. But you did rather intrigue me. If you felt some spark too, let’s meet up again. This weekend’s all tied up though. How about [weekday.]

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  152. on July 1, 2009 at 6:48 pm Willard Libby

    Firepower – @Willard Libby – “It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.”

    I was talking with a friend and she said the exact same thing about the “serving dynamic” – but for female jobs.

    It’s natural for women to serve. A woman who has no man or child to serve is an unnatural woman, a freak of nature, a broken person.

    But there are Alpha women and they resist this. These women need to be tamed or destroyed.

    And that’s the role of the Alpha male, no betas need apply.

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  153. Seeking, formula is one thing; mindless copying show after show is another. The characters do not develop, grow, or exhibit and nuance outside of Ari. The bad actors and bad lines they recite are trite and predictable.

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  154. IMHO, the only distinctive personalities on display in this picture are the Disco-Luigi guy and the Goth Dude. They are strongly in-character. Most of the rest are being themselves, for better or worse..

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  155. on July 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm Marcus Aureliette

    willard:
    But there are Alpha women and they resist this. These women need to be tamed or destroyed.

    Yeah, good luck with that! 😀

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  156. on July 1, 2009 at 6:58 pm D. Ray Morton

    @Marcus: “Women who write off an otherwise-great guy simply because he’s 5′8″ rather than 6′ are morons.”

    That’s an awful lot of morons.

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  157. Willie:

    “It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.”

    most everyone serves another, in some capacity. are all service industry workers beta? by your logic they are.

    i bet the bartenders in that picture make more money annually than you, willie. they probably also get laid by much hotter chicks on a more regular basis than you, but then again, anything is greater than zero, right?

    so, let’s see…they make good money, have much more flexible lifestyle, have more fun at work, and get laid much more often. to me, they’re smart. they don’t have to worry about climbing some social ladder. they slough off the worries about alpha/beta and don’t let their career define them, which strikes me as alpha in and of itself.

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  158. I agree that this show is more for women; I think this show glamorizes Hollywood, with its bitchy insiderness and quest for being queen bee of th emovie industry. The tits and ass are just a distraction to rope some guys in, as it also plays as a fantasy life, like college, but with coke and hookers.

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  159. D. ray Morton, we live in a country that just elected Nobama as president. I’d say we’ve got conclusive evidence that at least 52% of the nation is moron.

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  160. on July 1, 2009 at 7:05 pm Willard Libby

    Marcus Aureliette – willard: “But there are Alpha women and they resist this. These women need to be tamed or destroyed.”

    Yeah, good luck with that!

    Luck wont get it done. It’s about skill – a firm grip on her hair and a firmer smack on her ass.

    Administered frequently.

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  161. Pupu’s observation of the day:

    – Most female commenters here are of above average height (5’4″)

    – The height of male commenters here seems to be polarized with a large group, of average (5’10”) or slightly below average height; and a few, of well-above average height

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  162. on July 1, 2009 at 7:09 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    “It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.”

    Yeah, that was one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a good long time.

    Willard, have you ever actually been inside a bar?

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  163. on July 1, 2009 at 7:09 pm Willard Libby

    Chuck you can sniff bartender jock all day and night. They still aren’t Alphas.

    Ultimately they’re just older servant boys.

    What man wants to make a living in that environment mainly serving other men their alcohol.

    It’s inherently unmanly and non Alpha by my standards.

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  164. on July 1, 2009 at 7:10 pm Marcus Aureliette

    D. Ray Morton:
    That’s an awful lot of morons.

    It really is, and that’s a shame. There are a million things by which to gauge a guy, things within his power to control: by all means, gauge him by those. Dismissing him for something he can’t control is not only stupid, but ultimately counterproductive. If a woman is willing to dismiss an otherwise-great guy for the sake of a few inches of height, then she deserves to be alone, and has no business complaining when she’s rejected for equally superficial reasons.

    It’s choosiness for its own sake, not for any measurable benefit.

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  165. on July 1, 2009 at 7:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””””Wonka
    @RTC

    I think doting mothers have the opposite outcome.

    I agree with Freud:

    “A man who has been the indisputable favorite of his mother keeps for life the feeling of conqueror, that confidence of success that often induces real success.””””””””’

    You might be right wonka. My mom def put me in the indisputable favorite category. Shit I killed like a 100 birds with a bb gun one time. She was cool with it said I was just being a boy or something. I guess woman with a masters have some use. She would fight like an animal for me he he he. My sisters yea they fought like competing warriors over the last meal. Sister had all kinds of rules to go by I had none. Like I said before I broke my parents in 4th grade or so when they tried to get me to do dishes. So yea guys just goes to show not doing household chores will up your value in a womans eyes. Whereas doing dishes and womans work can fuck you up.

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  166. on July 1, 2009 at 7:12 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Luck wont get it done. It’s about skill – a firm grip on her hair and a firmer smack on her ass.

    Administered frequently.

    That’s assuming you ever get your hands on her in the first place….

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  167. on July 1, 2009 at 7:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Probably why I didn’t develop verbal fighting skills she fought those battles. I just fought the physical ones.

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  168. randall “tex” cobb is the reason they don’t do fifteen round heavyweight fights anymore. larry holmes teed off on his face and tex never went down.

    that fight is also what made howard cossell stop doing ringside commentary.

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  169. “It’s inherently unmanly and non Alpha by my standards.”

    your standards have been proved to be shotty and shitty at the same time. you’re one of the most idiotic, least insightful commenters on this board.

    so, just for shits, give us a look at what your standards of alpha are?

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  170. on July 1, 2009 at 7:18 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Ultimately they’re just older servant boys.

    Willard, we aren’t talking about barkeeping in some shit watering hole located between a body shop and a third-rate tattoo parlor.

    In ANY upscale, stylish, classy, and/or (dare I say it) trendy bar, bartending is a busy channel of social interaction and observation.

    For bartenders who can actually maintain a conversation with the people they’re serving, it’s also a fruitful source of connections and networking.
    I know this will shake up your little world, but most bartenders have interests outside of bartending, and often meet like-minded individuals across the bar.

    Finally, in a more sexually charged bar or club environment, the swooping opportunities are considerable.

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  171. on July 1, 2009 at 7:19 pm Willard Libby

    Lance – randall “tex” cobb is the reason they don’t do fifteen round heavyweight fights anymore. larry holmes teed off on his face and tex never went down.

    No. It was Ray Mancini killing Duk Koo Kim that ended the 15 round fights in all weight divisions.

    Both fights happened in late 1982

    Marcus Aureliette – “Luck wont get it done. It’s about skill – a firm grip on her hair and a firmer smack on her ass.

    Administered frequently.”

    That’s assuming you ever get your hands on her in the first place….

    I didn’t say it would be easy.

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  172. on July 1, 2009 at 7:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lilgrl,

    What no response yet on whether or not your man is lurker?

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  173. Mandy, I looked up the people in the photo cause I had a hunch that the Matthew McConaughy dude was the beneficiary of a badly copied photo…turns out I was right. So, no joke, unless someone else actually has the article and says it’s not DB.

    There are several alpha grading curves. For this blog, being alpha just means your desirability to women. Closing the deal. So, yeah, you could be a drill sergeant or a CEO, but if your woman has a back door man…then the backdoor man is the alpha. So, I tend to believe that bartenders have their own harems or 3am hook up babes, depending on the bar. Hate to say it, but PX and Gibson don’t seem to be the kind of bars with a lot of bartender groupies…but what do I know.

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  174. @doug1

    you read the situation perfectly. thanks for your advice.
    i will move accordingly.

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  175. on July 1, 2009 at 7:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””””on July 1, 2009 at 5:47 pm Epoxytocin No. 87
    I tell her ”hey I can’t hang out on the weekend, because I am busy and only hang out on the weekends with women that I am dating ( this would fuck with her head since our date/meeting was last Saturday) but we can hang on the weekday, and then attempt to escalate as much as I can with the help of alcohol and seduction methods.”

    I really, really, really hope you’ve misplaced a quote mark.

    On the other hand, with the right delivery, you could TOTALLY get those literal lines to work. Trust me.
    Awesome.”””””””””””””’

    Yea man do that whole thing going with epoxy on this one.

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  176. Gunslinger, she is definitely not my woman.

    I would never allow my woman to post revealing photos on the interwebs. She goes directly behind her burqua upon dating me.

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  177. another question for the girl(s), does this photo of Harold Ramis from the bartender guild change your view of him?

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  178. better pictures of the guy on the right and the guy on the left…both look like schlubs.

    http://www.washingtonian.com/chats/artsfun/11301.html

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  179. @ Epoxytocin No. 87

    “You would.
    He probably can’t fix computers.”

    Neither can you.

    @ Gunslingergregi

    Haha.

    Doug just called us out, hmm.

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  180. Cannon’s Canon,

    Excellent breakdown on Entourage.

    I am going to shoot you an email.

    – MPM

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  181. @chuck..and of Gina and Chantanal

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  182. Willard Libby

    “Lance – randall “tex” cobb is the reason they don’t do fifteen round heavyweight fights anymore. larry holmes teed off on his face and tex never went down.

    No. It was Ray Mancini killing Duk Koo Kim that ended the 15 round fights in all weight divisions.”

    Really you are both right.

    With the Boom Boom Mancini fight being the last nail in the coffin.

    – MPM

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  183. I was just looking at the photo before reading the text

    I immediately though you were going to call MM guy as gay. and Romainian death stare guy as the most alpha

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  184. Regarding 15 rounders:

    Keep in mind I think it was the WBC that first went to 12 rounders.

    The IBF and WBA kept 15 for a few years after, the IBF being the last to go.

    Livingstone “Pitbull” Bramble beat Mancini in the 14th round two years or so after the kim fight.

    Also of note:

    Sugar Ray Leonard insisted that the fight be for the WBC belt with Hagler so it would be 12 rounds.

    Hagler agreed, and probably cost himself the belt.

    – MPM

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  185. on July 1, 2009 at 7:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’on July 1, 2009 at 6:48 pm Willard Libby
    Firepower – @Willard Libby – “It’s impossible to be a true Alpha and be a bartender. A bartender is a servant, that’s anything but Alpha.”

    I was talking with a friend and she said the exact same thing about the “serving dynamic” – but for female jobs.

    It’s natural for women to serve. A woman who has no man or child to serve is an unnatural woman, a freak of nature, a broken person.

    But there are Alpha women and they resist this. These women need to be tamed or destroyed.

    And that’s the role of the Alpha male, no betas need apply.”””””””””””

    Man has willard changed or what dam he he he

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  186. Pupu, most of the short guys here know enough Game to be out of the habit of drawing attention to their height (I’m 5’4″).

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  187. LILGRL–

    Doug just called us out, hmm.

    Well, since Doug relied exclusively on his awesome interpersonal perceptiveness to be able to call you two out, rather than any inside knowledge, it was fair game.

    Hottie.

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  188. on July 1, 2009 at 7:52 pm Willard Libby

    Chuck – so, just for shits, give us a look at what your standards of alpha are?

    Who’s ever fuckin your mom.

    She’s got to be a real prize.

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  189. on July 1, 2009 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Fuck doug he he he,

    Allright gj

    Anyway yea definetly a throwoff even with the flirting on the math shit before. Yea ok wild stuff.

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  190. Max A

    I was just looking at the photo before reading the text

    I immediately though [sic] you were going to call MM guy as gay

    actually
    most MM guys
    are gay they
    just don’t

    know it

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  191. Maurice, according to Chase, it’s cost. Ramis, Murray, and others famously rewrote stuff on their sets, when jokes did not work. Same for John Candy and Steve Martin in Trains, Planes, Automobilies, with John Hughes.

    Candy was underappreciated. He came out of comic improvisation, Second City, and SCTV. He was not a pure standup like Dangerfield or Seinfeld, but could act better than either and deliver the funny lines probably better (since he played lots of comic characters). As a joke-writer he was not bad, most of his SCTV characters were kind of funny, sleazy/stupid guys (Johnny LaRue, “Polynesian Town,” etc.).

    Good points whoever about the action comedy not working outside just a few movies. Of course, the CGI replacing big stunts also hurt, hard to really act against a green screen. Willis did OK with the first two Die Hard movies with the wisecracks, good points about morphing to Lethal Weapon.

    Yeah Hollywood Homicide really blew. Ford stopped acting years ago (his last acting performance instead of line reading was the Fugitive) and Hartnett cannot act.

    Never seen Entourage. Piven was great in Cupid (the original, not the Cavaziel “look Ma no Hands I’m Acting!” remake).

    Chase btw is in some sitcom next fall. He did a credible turn as a comic A-hole villain in “Chuck” which comes the closest to action-comedy. The leads are a scream, between Zachary Levi, Adam Baldwin (tremendously funny), straight-woman hottie Yvonne STrahowski (Aussie import), and a bunch of stand up guys who can play weird very well. They even had a Die Hard homage epi. Chase is apparently looking for work to pay bills, he’s aged … not well.

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  192. on July 1, 2009 at 8:02 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Well, since Doug relied exclusively on his awesome interpersonal perceptiveness to be able to call you two out, rather than any inside knowledge, it was fair game.

    The “I love you” didn’t hurt, either.

    Not that I’m knocking your interpersonal perceptiveness. It’s obvious that you’re pretty far right on that particular bell curve.

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  193. on July 1, 2009 at 8:06 pm The Older Man

    Oscar

    Here’s my advice

    1) in life, in every and all situations NEVER NEVER EVER put your self in a no win situation (NWS)….. take 30secs to sum things up… ask yourself “is this a winning situ…and what is the winning move”

    So with that in mind

    2) when a HB says “I have a boyfriend” you say “I dont give a damn” and keep slowly moving in for the K-close. Backing off at that point puts you in an NWS

    3) when you get the txt “I want to party” txt back at 11pm and say – “sure come around now…I’m already in bed” anything else is an NWS

    even if 1 and 2 fail if you are charming about it and take the rejection like a man and truely have no hard feelings you can use her as a wing on Friday nights and take her as your partner to Salsa lessons on Wed nights. Again, use what you have to put yourself in a WS

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  194. expoxy–

    The “I love you” didn’t hurt, either.

    Honestly didn’t see that.

    But hey. At times you guys weren’t so subtle, that’s true. Esp. you weren’t.

    Firepower threw some off but he just didn’t work for a number of reasons.

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  195. on July 1, 2009 at 8:11 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    At times you guys weren’t so subtle, that’s true. Esp. you weren’t.

    Subtlety is overrated.

    As you certainly know.

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  196. Willard,
    There is no such thing as an “Alpha female”.

    O

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  197. doug1

    Firepower threw some off but he just didn’t work for a number of reasons.

    don’t hate –
    I have high standards

    doug, there’s just no pleasing you

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  198. on July 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willard, There is no such thing as an “Alpha female”.

    I really think there are, both heterosexual and homosexual.

    These women have greater dominance and will to power than average women.

    What’s more they have the ability to so overwelm other women to the point of affecting other women’s fertility.

    It’s even been found in studies of monkeys that the alpha females presence can shut down the fertility of the other female monkeys thereby advantaging the alpha female’s genes and her babies in the group.

    I’ve seen it in women. The alpha women have an extra drive and an extra mental toughness that clearly sets them apart from other women.

    Some but not all have a physical presence that is very powerful. With others it more the force of their personality and social will to power.

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  199. the O objects to June’s Spot The Alpha bc there’s no brothas 😀

    no justice
    no piece

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  200. on July 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm The Older Man

    Oh and another thing Oscar –

    You are too verbose

    Cut down your language use by at least 65%

    Use the energy saved to “feel out” or “develop your sense of” each present situation as they arive.

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  201. Tall is relative, ethnically speaking. I grew up in a Hiberno-Scandinavian milieu, so at 6’2″ in my socks in the morning, I don’t feel tall at all. In fact, I’m only an inch or two above average for guys of similar background. Plenty of guys I grew up with are in the mid 6′ range.

    However, in Canton I felt like a giant. Not so much in Beijing, and definitely not in the Netherlands.

    From my perspective, 5’10” and below is short, and 6’4″ and above is tall for a man.

    For me, women above 5’11” are a little much. In high heels, they are as tall as I am in shoes, so it feels a bit funny. They can have the guys who are 6’4″ and above.

    5’6″-5’10” is great. Below 5’6″ they get a little stumpy for me, but I wouldn’t turn it down if she has a nice figure.

    Just go with what suits you well. If I were 5’10” I’d probably prefer women in the 5’2″-5’6″ range, and there’s plenty to choose from there. People have all sorts of different shapes and sizes, so most people should be able to find a good physical match.

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  202. @Firepower:

    “Your tongue is twisted, your eyes are slit
    You need a guardian

    …oops, wrong girl”

    If you want to destroy my sweater
    hold this thread as I walk away

    askjoe said:

    “Mandy, I looked up the people in the photo cause I had a hunch that the Matthew McConaughy dude was the beneficiary of a badly copied photo…turns out I was right. So, no joke, unless someone else actually has the article and says it’s not DB.”
    Dang. That sucks.

    Although, honestly, body language is what matters, I think. I mean, you could argue that the smiling guy that is grabbing the fat girl’s shoulders is more attractive, but he seems annoying. He’s the second person I noticed.

    The goth guy staring in the background is scary. He’s the one most likely to leave a black rose on your doorstep before you get kidnapped and go missing. fact.

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  203. @ doug1

    “Well, since Doug relied exclusively on his awesome interpersonal perceptiveness to be able to call you two out, rather than any inside knowledge, it was fair game.

    Hottie.”

    SRSLY. 🙂

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  204. on July 1, 2009 at 8:50 pm Marcus Aureliette

    willard:
    I didn’t say it would be easy.

    LOL! True enough, so you didn’t.

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  205. Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willard, There is no such thing as an “Alpha female”.

    I really think there are, both heterosexual and homosexual.

    These women have greater dominance and will to power than average women.

    What’s more they have the ability to so overwelm other women to the point of affecting other women’s fertility.

    It’s even been found in studies of monkeys that the alpha females presence can shut down the fertility of the other female monkeys thereby advantaging the alpha female’s genes and her babies in the group.

    Yeah, the alpha female primates shut down other females’ fertility by brutal means at times — they have been observed murdering their female rivals’ babies from time to time. However, most of the time they simply deprive the rival offspring of resources — something human females do on a regular basis, hence the “evil stepmother” stereotype.

    There was a terrible case up here in the NW recently where a stepmother starved and confined her stepdaughter so badly that she was less than half the weight she should have been and most of her teeth fell out.

    Here’s the article:

    Carnation girl, 14, found starved to 48 pounds

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  206. With all this talk of action-comedies, I’m surprised no one brought up one of the best of all time, Army Of Darkness, starring Bruce Campbell.

    Not only does Army of Darkness have comedy and action, it also contains many deep philosophical insights:

    On Good and Evil:
    Evil Ash: GOODY LITTLE TWO-SHOES! GOODY LITTLE…
    Ash: [cocks shotgun and points it under Evil Ash’s nose]
    [nods head and shoots him]
    Ash: Good. Bad. I’m the guy with the gun.

    On the Rise and Fall of Fortune:
    (Duke Henry and Ash are prisoners)
    Duke Henry: You Sir, are not one of my vassals… who are you?
    Ash: Who wants to know?
    Duke Henry: I am Henry the Red. Duke of Shale, Lord of the Northlands and leader of its peoples.
    Ash: Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I’ve got news for you pal, you ain’t leadin’ but two things, right now: Jack and sh*t… and Jack left town.

    On The Mixing of Modern and Primitive Societies:
    Ash: Yeah!
    [after shooting King Arthur’s sword in half]
    Ash: Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This… is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart’s top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That’s right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It’s got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That’s right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

    Army of Darkness also has lots and lots of zombies. And what could be bad about that?

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  207. Willard:

    “Who’s ever fuckin your mom.

    She’s got to be a real prize.”

    Zero points for originality.

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  208. Willard, Welmer,
    Then aren’t we really talking about Cockblockers, much like what Roissy was discussing the other day?

    Please explain?

    O

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  209. on July 1, 2009 at 9:48 pm Howard Roark

    I feel vindicated. Roissy says the natural alpha is not the one who has banged the most girls. Previously, banging chicks was the sole and exclusive definition of what it meant to be alpha. He has for the first time acknowledged the fact that alpha is not just bedder of women, but something more. Disco Stu has banged the most chicks, but the OTHER guy is the natural alpha… well, then there is more to being alpha than just banging chicks.

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  210. on July 1, 2009 at 9:51 pm The Older Man

    “It’s even been found in studies of monkeys that the alpha females presence can shut down the fertility of the other female monkeys “

    Do they call this “the Oprah effect”??

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  211. I don’t understand some women’s fixation on a guy’s height. I mean, I can see having a preference, but I just can’t see being ruled by it. Women who write off an otherwise-great guy simply because he’s 5′8″ rather than 6′ are morons.

    Women like to be dominated. Looking up at a taller guy makes them feel dominated.

    I myself (6′ 2″) have been more than happy to take advantage of that particular female fixation in the past. 🙂

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  212. @Roark:

    Fountainhead fan much?

    @Tarl:

    I agree here. My boyfriend’s a little over a foot taller than me.

    (I’m 5’4″, he’s nearly 6’5″)

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  213. Since we’re fans of Evolution and all that, consider the following:

    In the Primate world, the arguably most dangerous, pound for pound, is the Chimp. Far and away moreso than say, Gorillas, even Silverbacks. Notice the size differential.

    Any questions?

    O

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  214. on July 1, 2009 at 10:31 pm Marcus Aureliette

    tarl:

    Women like to be dominated. Looking up at a taller guy makes them feel dominated.

    If you’re 5’3″ or 5’4″, the difference between looking up at someone 5’8″ tall vs 6’1″ tall is negligible. 5’6″ is tall enough to be taller-than-you, and dominant is as dominant does. I think it has more to do with showing off to observers than any inherent attraction of the height itself.

    I’m saying this as a short woman myself. That checklist/dealbreaker mode of thinking — “6’2″ or forget it!” — is a counterproductive fixation. I just find it frustratingly arbitrary, that’s all.

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  215. Willard Long on frame, short on brain.
    Slick enough for you, goat girl?

    Not quite gramps but you’re still pretty funny when you leave the face stuff alone.

    Willard It’s inherently unmanly and non Alpha by my standards.

    And going by that beast you sleep beside every night, your standards aren’t high.

    Marcus A to willard That’s assuming you ever get your hands on her in the first place….
    Well sometimes the 400 lbs tranny ho is running a 5 dollar special.

    Willard’s response to marcus A I didn’t say it would be easy.
    Yea it’s kinda hard to get your hands on her waist when there are enough rolls to fill a bakery blocking your way.

    Willard to chuck Who’s ever fuckin your mom.
    She’s got to be a real prize.

    Well at least chuck’s mom has a man. Your mom had to get a deaf mute drunk. That’s because she knew if he could see her or if his friends could tell him what a beast he was knocking down, homie would have ran.

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  216. on July 1, 2009 at 10:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    I like barefoot my woman to be slightely shorter than me. Yea ok it was a little wierd when I took of the boots and she was taller in heels in the picture he he he

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  217. roark/keith/cliff/betaboy:
    I feel vindicated. Roissy says the natural alpha is not the one who has banged the most girls. Previously, banging chicks was the sole and exclusive definition of what it meant to be alpha. He has for the first time acknowledged the fact that alpha is not just bedder of women, but something more. Disco Stu has banged the most chicks, but the OTHER guy is the natural alpha… well, then there is more to being alpha than just banging chicks.

    it was a joke, son.

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  218. on July 1, 2009 at 11:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Roissy does have a slight soft spot. He is going to have to harden that shit up.

    Problem most men do have that so really look at mandy her boyfriend 6′ 5″

    so yea hes not getting any.

    Ok now me 5′ 7″ Yea I got to include the half to three quarters def was getting it at his age.

    So yea probably why I need to take over the world and kill about 80 percent of the population after I fuck every bitch on the planet to overcompensate for my shortfalls he he he

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  219. on July 1, 2009 at 11:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Actually I even made myself more disadvantaged than that and I still can pick up chicks so yea it is possible. Just think you are the man. You are a chick magnet. Should I allow this bitch the pleasure of touching my dick. Shit works.

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  220. O,
    According to the current museum of sex exhibit, bonobos pretty much has sexual interaction with and all things bonobo. What relevance that has, I’m not entirely sure (I’m packing off 3 martinis and a muscle relaxant) but … primates are not a clear template. I mean, the video showed more male on male interaction that male female. Also, those boys last like 30 seconds.

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  221. on July 1, 2009 at 11:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok why al why do older chicks have a problem with putting a girls name. To ask the question is to answer around here I guess.

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  222. @marcus- welcome back

    @epoxy, lilgrl – outed, but no thanks to me.

    @whiskey, cannon, s_a, others re entourage – OK, this subthread a little tired. and i know whiskey didn’t post on this, but cannon did and cited him. it bugged me from the other week. entertainment writers want to pitch to the widest possible audience. sure there are male-oriented and female-oriented shows and films, but the scenes, characters, plotlines and scenarios are usually designed for the broadest possible appeal. so just because male characters are appealing to women doesn’t mean they can’t be appealing to men as well. and vice-versa. it’s an inane, either-or logic that just doesn’t apply. action films have female elements and chick flicks – well, OK, i lose there – no appeal to testosterone.

    there are only a relative handful of basic storylines that are just adapted over and over. originality is not really the goal if you want to put paying butts in chairs. vince’s basic story, stripped of the hollywood gloss and backbiting, is one that dickens would have recognized. but the gloss is fun – it’s part of the point. excusively gay/female? no. clearly as full of that as the real place is. but the boys are regular straight guys, the protagonists. it’s set up so you root for them, and whether they’re alpha or beta is sort of beside the point. and @cannon, you can say that the foursome was kinda modeled on SATC, but the differences are more important than the similarities.

    also, @whiskey – it was lurker who made the good points about action/comedy flicks.

    july 12 baby- the boys are back.

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  223. Ok why al why do older chicks have a problem with putting a girls name.

    I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking?

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  224. @al- i think O was talking about the size/height thread, comparing the relative value/protection ability of shorter vs. larger men/primates.

    speaking of which, in the spirit of others who volunteered heights, i’m 6’1.5″ in stocking feet. roissy probably an inch or so taller. doug, why did i know you were unusually tall.

    now i think i understand the mood. i hope your thoughts don’t always turn towards sex-crazed monkeys after a few drinks… 😉 or was it Obs’s post that put that idea into your head…

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  225. on July 2, 2009 at 12:03 am Gunslingergregi

    al needs some dick.

    well don’t all woman really.

    isn’t that all part of the lie.

    But how much time are you willing to put in.

    Willing to put in 4 years of carefull study on what pleases a man.

    Then another two on how to be feminine.

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  226. on July 2, 2009 at 12:04 am Gunslingergregi

    Then 5 years of intense internship under the watchful eye of a man who can tell you of his slightest displeasure.

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  227. @Gunslinger:

    I love reading your posts. It’s like reading this random stream of consciousness.

    Kind of like entering the male psyche.

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  228. on July 2, 2009 at 12:15 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh god no lol not the stream of consciousness anything but that.

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  229. Because I know you’re all waiting with baited breath, I’ll weigh in on the height situation…

    I am a little bit picky, but not as picky as you might think, when it comes to height. I’m decently tall (5’7″) with a penchant for 4-5″ heels, so ideally I’d like my guy to be about the same height or an inch or so taller than that. That said, I’d rather have a guy closer to my height (like, say 5’9″) and built than a guy who’s really tall and awkward. Assuming equal hotness/etc. between three guys who are 5’8″, 5’11”, and 6’7″, I’d pick the 5’11” first and then the 5’8″.

    I’ve never dated a guy shorter than me, though my most recent ex was about 5’7.5″…so I just wore a lot of flats. I honestly don’t come into contact with many guys legitimately shorter than me, though, so it’s not like a huge deal or anything.

    I do love looking up at a guy, though, and feeling like a LILGRL.

    Hehe.

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  230. Crap. Bated. Whatevs.

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  231. on July 2, 2009 at 12:32 am Gunslingergregi

    When I got the boots on which I normally do yea taller than her in heels. So it works out. I don’t think she wears them all the time. She knows I like em so began to do so. She has perfect calf/ankle/knee though so not sure. When I say perfect I mean fucking perfect.

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  232. In regards to Oscar’s dilemma:

    I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet, but you may have misinterpreted her “I have a boyfriend” outburst. While it is true that this is often a shutdown move, it is usually one that women employ early in the process, as soon as you make your intentions known. If she had said it when you first started kino, you could assume it was a shutdown.

    However, given that she mentioned it later, once things were about to happen, it may have meant something completely different. She may have simply been abdicating responsibility for what was about to happen. If she mentions it, in her mind it is no longer her fault for cheating on him, it is yours. This is a rationalization that women often need. She may have also been communicating that she would need discretion from you, so things did not get messy for her later on. In any case, the correct move would have been to ignore the comment, and continue to escalate.

    Definitely go out with her again. Make sure she has a blast, do more kino, and escalate, escalate, escalate.

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  233. I think we’re extrapolating a tad too much, given the photographic evidence is sketchy at best. Shout out to the G, you pretty much nailed it. I also have a question for G, irrelevant to the post, more for a personal project. Any thoughts on game and using those skills at the poker table.

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  234. on July 2, 2009 at 1:07 am Tupac Chopra

    Being a tall drink of water myself, I get *approached* by 5’10″+ women quite frequently. Like they just throw themselves out there. I guess tall women have it rough. Unfortunately, I’m not usually game.

    Feels like fucking a giraffe.

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  235. Except you’d have to use a ladder for that.

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  236. on July 2, 2009 at 1:20 am The Viscount

    Roissy,

    I can say that your assessment is partially correct on Spot the Alpha. Whereas I don’t recognize nor can I speak for the other bartenders, Disco Stu (aka John Hogan) is a bartender that I’ve known well for years and is the very definition of an greater alpha. John has worked at most of the trendier Georgetown and Downtown bars over the last 15 years and is constantly being hired away because he knows how to recognize the folks in the crowd responsible for driving quality traffic into the bar and taking care of them. Your assessment on his personality is dead-on; charming and engaging to all without any hint of try-hard. Men and women both seem to enjoy his company and feel at ease.

    And I’d bet he’s the hands down winner on bedding the women. I’ve rarely known him to go home alone or with the same girl, and regardless of what side of the bar he’s on, he is reliable and consistent wingman. Recently he’s moved on to brighter shores in Vegas. I’ll be sure to forward this post to him, and recommend daily reading of your most excellent blog. I know he’ll enjoy the PUA recognition.

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  237. go, disco stu!

    I find it hard to believe that little old lilgrl is 5’7″ But ok…

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  238. that must make scott stapp about 6’5″

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  239. just wanted to say thanks for everyone on this blog for all your sagely advice.

    i texted her today with this

    ” busy this weekend. we should go get into some trouble in the city tomorrow instead ;)”

    she responded within 5 minutes, which according to master roissy is a very good sign.

    this was her response

    “ooh trouble, so bad. count me in, i just learned i am off tomorrow hehe sounds great !”

    so i have this wine bar in the city “on lock” g style and will let the wine and witty convo flow, and take it from there.

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  240. on July 2, 2009 at 1:29 am Willard Libby

    Empress Hide Thesalami said – “Willard Long on frame, short on brain.Slick enough for you, goat girl?”

    Not quite gramps but you’re still pretty funny when you leave the face stuff alone…….

    Reading your comeback post was like watching a left handed, cerebral palsy girl try to throw a baseball in the park.

    You have no skills, nothing. And you know why? Two reasons, first you are innately stupid, you are what is know as a dim bulb. You probably don’t get the reference because back in your home country your people still don’t have electricity.

    Secondly, in the desert wasteland of your ancestors women are meant to be seen and not heard so you have no cultural tradition of female verbal skill and intellectual development.

    Tending goats and giving birth to babies who will starve to death is your only cultural tradition.

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  241. on July 2, 2009 at 1:31 am Gunslingergregi

    Tupac I do kind of wonder if it is too easy does it also become drab. I guess there is always a balance and sometimes you really got to handicap yourself to keep it interesting. It is not always a curse I suppose to have it difficult if you can rise above the difficulty. If you never have to rise above anything does that fuck it up?

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  242. on July 2, 2009 at 1:39 am Gunslingergregi

    Kind of like when arpagus hits a chick in the next couple weeks or so that dude is going to feel on top of the world. Gonna be some sweet pussy for about 5 seconds or so when he gets in the first time. (hope he realizes to go ahead and keep going)

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  243. A man’s height is very important to women. Much more important than a handsome face

    definetly not true, look at hollywood leading men

    Looks trump height

    IF your good looking u should have no troubles getting women unless were talking extremely short like 5’4 and under
    as long as your good lookign cute/height means little, a attractive short guy is in a better positon then the tall ugly or average looking guyGenerally, a shorter guy will do fine if he’s handsome and in good shape…probably even better than a guy of above average height who is not handsome and out of shape.

    5’8 in flatts , 5’10 in boots .and I pull better quality women then my 6’4 buddy who pulls fatties and fuglies galore, its disgusting

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  244. From my perspective, 5′10″ and below is short, and 6′4″ and above is tall for a man.

    the north american male is 5’9 for avergae and north american female is 5’4

    being from the noridc countires I understand how you see this differently

    but thats how it is

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  245. on July 2, 2009 at 1:57 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea and where the fuck is jackson that dude must have found the pussy holy grail he he he

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  246. Re: Monkeys
    Bonobos (pygmy chimps) fuck everything all the time but they are soft bodied and confused in respect of politics.
    Real chimps are horrifically violent. Any adult could kill a human by simply pulling your arms off and slapping you around with it. Stupid Disney flicks have obscured this, but it is nonetheless absolutely true.
    Anyway, “where in the jungle do bonobos live??? Answer: wherever the real chimps let them.

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  247. on July 2, 2009 at 2:00 am Gunslingergregi

    Slaps the shit out of sisko.

    You can’t just come in here and talk aout one thing 5′ 4″ and below in one post and in the very next post talk about 5′ 10″ and below is short.

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  248. Im quoting from above on wilards post ,I frogot to put in his quotes” ”

    happy now?

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  249. on July 2, 2009 at 2:07 am Cannon's Canon

    @ maurice re: entourage
    “the boys are regular straight guys, the protagonists. it’s set up so you root for them, and whether they’re alpha or beta is sort of beside the point. and @cannon, you can say that the foursome was kinda modeled on SATC, but the differences are more important than the similarities.”

    The characters are not “alpha or beta”; they are all core betas that have been given the winning pedigree of alphas to advertise an impossible female fetish – the attainable super alpha. Of course they are “set up so you root for them”: from ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ to ‘Wal-E’ to ‘Forgetting Sarah Marshall,’ this is Hollywood’s winning formula.

    The feminization of television, advertising, and movies is a concept that Whiskey turned me onto. I did not mean to put words in his mouth, but I am in accord with his general position. He has written in great detail about this on his blog, though not about these shows in particular.

    I am disappointed that the Sex and the City parallel did not strike a greater note with you. Each foursome represents four quadrants of a complete id. Both shows present those influences equally and blamelessly to (as you agreed) appeal to the largest audience. 100% of females and 80% of males (beta) make for a potent market share.

    I will be writing a more in-depth post on the shortcomings of Entourage to the alpha gold standard in the coming days.

    also, re: lilgrl and 87, i absolutely commented on their relationship a day or two after she appeared here. she has made it blatantly obvious, so it was no feat of sleuthing. they both comment very well, but their flirting online is just annoying spam.

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  250. […] didn’t know that: “There are a lot of short guys in the PUA […]

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  251. on July 2, 2009 at 4:13 am Pretty lies indeed

    Speaketh the master:

    The Disco Stu guy in the middle with the wide collared, unbuttoned shirt and spiky haircut is a PUA. Well, I don’t know this for sure, but that would be my guess. I bet he’s in the community. The telltale signs are there — regular tanning booth customer, extra-wide smile, looking straight into the camera lens, hands all over the ladies (the fat one is enjoying it). There are a lot of short guys in the PUA community. I leave it as an exercise for the reader why this is so. Verdict: Lesser alpha.

    To which Viscount responds:

    Whereas I don’t recognize nor can I speak for the other bartenders, Disco Stu (aka John Hogan) is a bartender that I’ve known well for years and is the very definition of an greater alpha… Your assessment on his personality is dead-on; charming and engaging to all without any hint of try-hard. Men and women both seem to enjoy his company and feel at ease.

    Are those two assessments really the same? If they fit, they ‘fit’ the way most horoscopes fit.

    The master concludes:

    Finally, the Matthew McConaughey looking dude on the far right of the photo. He looks the most comfortable and self-assured of all the men. Note the perfect hint of a smile — not too forced, not too pinched. What does this say? It says “You, cameraman, have not yet won me over.” His style is good; fashionable without tipping over into silly peacocking. His chin is held slightly higher than parallel with the ground, which subcommunicates alphaness. His body stance is strong. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were standing contrapposto when this photo was taken. Also note he does not put his hands on anyone; he doesn’t need to. Guys who are constantly resting their hands on other guys’ shoulders are playing dominance games. True alphas do not need to do this. They have enough alpha credit to spare that lending their shoulders as a prop for lesser men to climb upon does not lower their value. One more thing to note: He is neither holding a drink nor shoving his hands in his pockets. It is alpha to keep your hands at your sides, relaxed, with a slight bend in the elbow to avoid the perception of stiffness. Verdict: Natural Alpha.

    Interestingly, I would bet it’s not Natural Alpha who has banged the most girls. I would give that honor to Disco Stu.

    This sounds plausible to me, given what I’ve read here and elsewhere about alpha stance and alpha body language. To me, a straight guy, Disco Stu comes across as pathetic, and ‘Matthew’ as cool.

    Someone in the thread then claims that Roissy has admitted with this post that the natural alpha “is not the one who has banged the most girls. Previously, banging chicks was the sole and exclusive definition of what it meant to be alpha.”

    In my recollection that’s not true, however. The master’s definition of alpha (look in the archives for his post on it) is the man who has the largest CHOICE of women. I.e. the alpha may decide NOT to have sex with particular women, but that’s purely his decision. The sex would have been available for his taking if he had wanted it. So Roissy’s post today does not contradict his earlier definition of alpha at all.

    However, instead of pointing this out, as I would have expected, the master responds

    roark/keith/cliff/betaboy:

    it was a joke, son.

    thus apparently undermining both the analysis of his post today, and his earlier definition of alpha as the man with the most options.

    It is unclear to me why.

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  252. on July 2, 2009 at 4:23 am Pretty lies indeed

    Upon reflection, I suppose any contradiction would be removed if Roissy’s joke is not that it is not ‘Matthew’ who is the true alpha, as I had assumed above.

    Instead, Roissy’s joke could be his remark that Disco Stu has (potentially) banged more women than ‘Matthew’.

    The latter interpretation would not only remove an apparent inconsistency from the Roissyverse, but also fit my own assessment of Disco Stu.

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  253. on July 2, 2009 at 4:47 am Gunslingergregi

    Think about this was the most popular guy in school with one chick most of high school?

    Prom King Prom queen where they inseperable yea prob. Now where they allowed to bang all the girls that threw themselves at them no because they where always with a chick and because monogamy is looked as the only way to go. They would have had to of been sneaky to get more chicks. When they did though to much it would have came out everywhere what they did and prom queen would of had to leave them maybe because of that. That leaves a lot of woman left going through less periods of time with guys and leaves those guys that go with a different woman each week with a lot more partners capability.

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  254. the north american male is 5′9 for avergae and north american female is 5′4

    being from the noridc countires I understand how you see this differently

    but thats how it is

    Right, that’s why I stated that height is relative from an ethnic standpoint. Different ethnicities are of different heights.

    The average young Dutchman is 6’1″, and the average Mexican guy is 5’4″. So to the Dutch, someone who is 6’4″ is no taller than a 5’7″ man is to Mexicans.

    And here in the US, we have a lot of ethnic variety, so one neighborhood can have people who are a lot taller than another, depending on the people who live there.

    For example, if you go to some of the wealthier exurbs around Seattle, where people are of largely Scandinavian/northern European descent, the people can be pretty huge. Just standing in line at the supermarket can make even six-footers look kind of puny. On the other hand, when you go to Chinatown it’s an entirely different experience.

    One thing that always struck me as funny is looking at the lines at SFO (my folks live in SF). The lines to Sea-Tac flights usually have the tallest people, and then there are these tiny little people going to Miami, Albuquerque, El Paso, etc.

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  255. I like roissy’s use of the term ‘natural Alpha’. Alphas and Omegas are born not made. Only Betas are malleable and capable of changing their lives though I doubt a good quality Beta could actually outshine an Alpha (any more than down&out Beta could make an Omega look good).

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  256. @LILGRL- thanks for the correction. It seemed like you might have been like ol’ Martin Luther there, on a Diet of Worms. 🙂

    @cannon- so what if you label them betas? they’re ordinary guys most viewers can relate to, as supposed to the alpha/action hero protagonist that viewers are primed to look up to. a lot of alphas in films are also flawed heros/alphas, with some crippling beta characteristic or other that they ultimately overcome. so dramaturgy isn’t real life; it’s not supposed to be; and alpha/beta status kind of immaterial in that sense.

    your point about the 4 quarters of the id is interesting – hadn’t really thought of it quite that way. in SATC, carrie was the queen bee, samantha the slut (= pathetic, mangy cougar), miranda the smart lawyer (sarcastic ballbuster), charlotte the stepford wife (greatest male appeal by far). i see how that divides into the id. what’s the 1-to-1 correspondence with the entourage guys, though? vince is the queen bee, but for the others, i don’t see it. they fill different points of the compass, so to speak, because .. they’re guys. eric the suit, drama the drama queen, turtle the working-class wise ass… what? not quite the same.

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  257. on July 2, 2009 at 8:59 am Virginia Gentleman

    maurice:

    I never saw an episode of SATC but I admit to being confused by the whole set-up of the cast. With Kristin Davis among them, how in the world were either Sarah Jessica Parker or Kim Cattrall supposed to be the exemplars of female beauty and/or sexual prowess? Put another way, I agree totally with your “greatest male appeal by far”.

    Then again, I’m not sure I ever understood anything about that program. A woman I knew from the local area insisted that all I needed in my life was “A Miranda”, which had me stumped until I got to looking around on the Internet. I then wondered if I’d been insulted. Either way, I’ve got zero in common with aging and single urban women, so I doubt I’ll ever waste time on that program.

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  258. @VG- it was a total chick-fantasy show, the men were for the most part walk-on props. but the writing was good, it was often funny, and for that i relegate it to a higher level (= lesser circle of hell) in chick entertainment. i liked it when it was new but got tired of the cliches after about a year.

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  259. Tupac Chopra
    Being a tall drink of water myself, I get *approached* by 5′10″+ women quite frequently. Like they just throw themselves out there. I guess tall women have it rough. Unfortunately, I’m not usually game.
    Feels like fucking a giraffe.

    Tall women do have it rough.
    Obviously, as they tend to restrict themselves to men taller than themselves, their mate pool is smaller.

    Less obviously, because men, unlike women, could generally give a rip about about women’s height. A tall man has no problem whatsoever pursuing a very short woman who is simultaneously smoking hot. Because of this, tall women must compete for tall men not merely with other tall women, but rather, all women.
    I’ve observed tall women speaking dismissively about tall man/short woman couples, that they look “ridiculous”, or whatever; probably similar to black women’s lament when they see a black man with a white woman, who’s poaching one of “theirs”.

    As a middle-aged guy that’s seen a lot, I’ve noted one thing that tall women share with short men; both tend to marry poorly.

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  260. Right, that’s why I stated that height is relative from an ethnic standpoint. Different ethnicities are of different heights.

    The average young Dutchman is 6′1″, and the average Mexican guy is 5′4″. So to the Dutch, someone who is 6′4″ is no taller than a 5′7″ man is to Mexicans.

    And here in the US, we have a lot of ethnic variety, so one neighborhood can have people who are a lot taller than another, depending on the people who live there.

    For example, if you go to some of the wealthier exurbs around Seattle, where people are of largely Scandinavian/northern European descent, the people can be pretty huge. Just standing in line at the supermarket can make even six-footers look kind of puny. On the other hand, when you go to Chinatown it’s an entirely different experience.

    One thing that always struck me as funny is looking at the lines at SFO (my folks live in SF). The lines to Sea-Tac flights usually have the tallest people, and then there are these tiny little people going to Miami, Albuquerque, El Paso, etc.

    well that stat I quoted was only caucasions, not everyone ( all ethinicities )combined-

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  261. “The semi-cute Latina looking girl definitely”

    She does not look latina. She looks Asian.

    Well, she can also be a Native American of some sort but I doubt she’s Latin.

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  262. The most alpha is the guy on the far left.

    I don’t know his success with girls but he looks like he controls half of the Mafia and is worried because he knows a sniper is just out there in a roof to get him when he comes off.

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  263. Virginia Gentleman

    I never saw an episode of SATC but …how in the world were either Sarah Jessica Parker or Kim Cattrall supposed to be the exemplars of female beauty and/or sexual prowess

    Kim was attractive when she was young. Parker also had a certain appeal.

    It was the multitude of plastic surgeries required on the actresses that transformed them into the aging, plasticine beasts you refer to.

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  264. Isn’t VK short too? Does he count as someone “n the community” or just a natural alpha? or just some guy with a lot of muscle and low body fat?

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  265. @VirginiaGentleman:

    “I never saw an episode of SATC but I admit to being confused by the whole set-up of the cast. With Kristin Davis among them, how in the world were either Sarah Jessica Parker or Kim Cattrall supposed to be the exemplars of female beauty and/or sexual prowess? Put another way, I agree totally with your “greatest male appeal by far”.”

    It’s ok, I don’t understand it either. I watched the last half of the SATC movie, and I just ended up feeling bad for all the characters.

    Especially the one that Kim Cattrall played. wth.

    Not how I want to end up in my life.

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  266. I like to call SATC “the Golden Girls”

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  267. Man, I can’t believe there are any guys here who would turn down a tall woman because she is tall. That’s pretty gay right there.

    I’m set up for drinks tonight with a woman 5 inches taller than me. When we met, I walked right over to her and laid into her at the bar while she was sitting down.

    Her first shit test was to stand up and see if that scared me off. When it didn’t, we made out a bit and number closed.

    ‘Course I may cancel due to a sweet little hispanic chick I was with last night still wants a spanking. But that’s about access–latina wants to roll in the hay, while tonight with the tall chick, its really a first date thing.

    Gentlemen, remember on a woman’s height something my old football coach told me: it doesn’t matter how tall they are, they’re all the same height when you knock them on their backs.

    And tall chicks, I’ve found, really get off on being thrown around and smacked. They let a lot of shit go because there;s so few men brave enough to do it. Submissive girls deep down.

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  268. Kim Cattrall was attractive….in the 1860s. She’s so old, in Porky’s (1980) she was still too old to play a student; she had to play a teacher!

    SJP was a classic buttaface as a young chick; now she’s just a stringy witch-looking witch. Gay men idolized her because she’s an ugly woman with success in Hollywood, and gay men like ugly or man-like women who nonetheless become hollywood stars, because its a surrogate for them, as ugly women (see Liza Minnelli, Streisand, Cher….)

    Miranda was always the ugly brittle bitch, despite the fact I like redheads. Only if she accented her long legs was she even passable.

    Charlotte was HOT, a solid 8-9. Too bad she was prudish and 3-date girl. I think that was an in-joke by the gay men who run the show:

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  269. As a female I think guy on the right looks a bit geeky and stiff. I should think the on eho gets laid most is the dark creepy on the back. He’s definitely the hottest guy on the picture anyway.

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  270. doug1 said:

    When I was younger though, I always found that I had sort of lay up advantages with real tall girls, 5′10 or esp. 5′11 or 6′. It’s like they didn’t have a choice. Then when they discovered I wasn’t a dork, and had some moves, it could be like desperate. Thinking of two girls at the moment.

    Tupac Chopra said:

    Being a tall drink of water myself, I get *approached* by 5′10″+ women quite frequently. Like they just throw themselves out there. I guess tall women have it rough. Unfortunately, I’m not usually game.

    lurker said:

    I’m set up for drinks tonight with a woman 5 inches taller than me. When we met, I walked right over to her and laid into her at the bar while she was sitting down.

    Her first shit test was to stand up and see if that scared me off. When it didn’t, we made out a bit and number closed.

    I’m 5’8″ so I won’t be that much shorter than ‘really tall’ girls.

    I think if I want to really punch above my weight I should hit on a 6 foot or higher 9’s on a Tuesday or Wednesday when there aren’t that many guys around.

    Well, I guess it’s the Height Obsessed loss.

    (PS:I am TOTALLY serious here. It sounds funny, but that’s only because it is.)

    lurker said:

    Her first shit test was to stand up and see if that scared me off. When it didn’t, we made out a bit and number closed.

    Standing up as a test of a man’s metal. And it WORKS?

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  271. @lurker

    “Submissive girls deep down”

    Aren’t we all? 😉

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  272. @ Lurker

    Charlotte being a 3-date girl (i.e., not a skank) would be an in-joke among teh gheys? I’ll have to run that by the community to figure that one out.

    I thought SJP was super hot in LA Story. But I think I was a teenager back then…so who knows.

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  273. No dis but all the talk about SATC is alien to me. Brothas like me don’t touch the stuff.

    O

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  274. For me SJP has a very sexy, feminine appeal. At face value (get it) she doesn’t have what it takes, but add to it her bubbly personality, her fabulous hair, her total delivery and she’s a sexy woman. If I were a man I’d date her before I dated the Davis/Charotte character. It’s interesting to me to hear men’s thoughts on the characters – in many ways quite different than how women viewed them. That said I didn’t like Miranda at all, way to harsh and I found quite unattractive. Cattrall’s character wouldn’t have women friends in rl – she would be too competitive for men’s attention.

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  275. oscar:
    you waited too long to kiss this girl.
    you must kiss them on the first date!
    this must be done- do not kiss them at the end of the date- kiss them during the date.

    kiss women quick, this way you know if they see you as a sexual partner.

    no excuse to go on multiple dates without a kiss- NONE!

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  276. just watch Boyz In The Hood and Crooklyn, then juxtapose those characters with the SATC female leads and it’ll translate

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  277. O, you should watch, if only for two reasons: good writing and Charlotte. ‘Course you’d probably like Samantha; brothas seem to have a thing for old skanky white cougars.

    askjoe, I forgot to finish: the injoke on charlotte is this: she’s the most viable one on the show at 8-9, but she doesn’t put out (or at least on dates). The injoke being that the uglier women, who represent gay men/feminazis, put out a ton, while girlie girls don’t have fun. So the men interested in good-looking beauties get bad sex lives, which pleases the gay men/feminazis, who get rejected by them.

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  278. Comment_Whatever: when standing up means she’ll tower over you (I didn’t know she was taller than me b4 standing up) and potentially intimidae you (since men here are apparently spooked by height), it’s a shit test—are you going to be intimidated by me?

    A normal size girl can’t really use her height as a shit test; a tall girl can.

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  279. on July 2, 2009 at 12:37 pm Marcus Aureliette

    aeofe:
    Aren’t we all?

    Nope, not all! 😀

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  280. Marcus, all women want to submit to a man; they just want to submit to the right man.

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  281. aoefe

    Aren’t we all? 😉

    i want you to make me Cucumber Sandwiches – sliced thinly – with a thin film of basil vinaigrette

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  282. Mandy,

    You are truly brilliant. I’m shocked and amazed at the wisdom of the majority of your comments from a 17 year old female virgin. While most females posting on here are foolish, your posts are consistently better than those by all but a few of the men. This post in particular was ignored, but hit the nail right on the head.

    “Yell at me if I’m wrong guys.
    @WHISKEY:
    whiskey, I think it’s ok if you do the “submissive” stuff, if it’s not done in a way that’s “submissive.”
    I can’t give examples, but I can restate something I said before (stolen shamelessly from a friend and the bible):
    Basically, you can do things for her. But she has to be submissive to you, she has to fall under your protection. Under your sword (hahaha pun) and shield. So, ultimately, if you’re doing things for her it’s because she’s doing things for you and she’s fallen under your protection.

    If that made any sense.”

    Once a woman is attracted to you and is submissive, you can compliment her and do good things for her from time to time. Only if she perceives you to be doing these things because you feel you have to to please her, and not because you want to, will she lose attraction for you. This is not a license to be a wuss, but a woman will perceive actions differently depending on whether they come from a position of strength or weakness.

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  283. @lurker, O- another reason, better for the purposes of this board, was to get insight into the dreams/fantasies/values of upperclass 30-something urban women at that time (10 years ago by now …). at least as gussied up and packaged for the HBO-subscriber demographic. i really disliked how the men were usually toys (the one-nighters) or dreamboats (LTRs) who fit certain parameters, but… the demographic was girls that age or younger, and you know that’s what they kinda want if that’s what the gays were putting out for them to watch. a clue to their ids. unrealistic, sure, but it’s entertainment, not rl. see my post on entourage above.

    also, charlotte was known to put out on dates.

    @aeofe – sorry, sweetie, i love ya, but SJP looks like a horse. almost no man think she’s attractive.

    @oscar- thanks for the update – keep us posted.

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  284. epoxytocin

    On the other hand, with the right delivery, you could TOTALLY get those literal lines to work. Trust me.
    Awesome.

    Blar har.

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  285. Ann Coulter said that SatC was a show for teh gheys because the promiscuous main characters were avatars for gay lifestyle. Shoes, fruit flies, and where the sex was almost beyond meaningless.
    I take R’s take in that SatC indulged the cougar set that they are still sexually attractive to younger men. Remember, the producers quashed an episode that was to have a then young and hot Brittney Spears on it because the golden girls on the show couldn’t compete.

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  286. Mo, she put out, but she was famous for “following the rules” and making men wait, etc., especially early on, when she was the anti-Samantha. She was total ASD come to life, for the gays to rip on.

    The very first episode has Charlotte denying a new bf sex or even staying over, and he immediately goes out that night and finds the notorious Samantha and fucks her. And Samantha is portrayed as the hero there.

    Charlotte was sexual towards her first husband (Trey) and Harry. Towards Trey, she was very open, which freaked Trey out.

    Harry, of course, was an anomoly. She tried to have sex like all the other girls, which was humorous because she was bad at it. She eventually married Harry, who fucked her brains out.

    Harry, I believe, was put in for 2 reasons: 1) Not one major character was Jewish, despite it being set in New York; and 2) it was for the schlubby straight guys who were by then watching the show and salivating at Charlotte.

    But of course Charlotte had to be punished for being a good girl most of the time: she wasn’t allowed to become pregant, while brittle bitch Miranda did.

    Charlotte was the poster child for traditional feminine restraint and rule following, and was used to “show” how bad that was (out of the 4, she is the only one with a failed marriage).

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  287. Gunslingergregi

    Think about this [why] was the most popular guy in school with one chick most of high school?

    from my experience,it’s due to her giving the best HJs during the early years then progressing up to killer bjs, full-on intercourse (as needed) and perhaps a prom night fuck in a hottub.

    nothing like a nubile cheerleader, desired by all, expending all her sexual energy on one man to keep him loyal.

    and away from her competition. as his status grows, so does hers if connected to him in apair bond

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  288. askjoe, whenever AIDS comes up, no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room: AIDS cases are 71% homosexual males, and that is due solely to them fucking around much more than all other sexual groups.

    But to say that is somehow…homophobic.

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  289. Maurice–

    Someone you may remember just resurfaced on an old thread.

    I guess she’s doing archeology on me.

    Ok, she sent me a heads up:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/a-test-of-your-game-5/#comment-98938

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  290. @doug- aha, your eastern heloise! i saw her post last night, but didn’t see that one. guess her exams are over. now she can go back to obsessing over you and your posts…

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  291. Marcus Aureliette is just a little sensitive about her desires, no problem there. Women like her just need, in my opinion, long, slow sex. Just a steady slipping of her self-control, that is just good sex, right? No hair-pulling or other signposts for her increasingly sex-fried brain to take offense at. By the time she is about to lose all self-control, her sex-fried brain will think that’s a great idea. And then you reduce her to a quivering piece of meat.

    The two key things with this is:
    1.Keep your self-control.
    2.Avoiding soreness on her part.

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  292. on July 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Marcus, all women want to submit to a man; they just want to submit to the right man.

    If it makes you feel better to believe this, by all mean, indulge yourself. You’re mistaken, though.

    Marcus Aureliette is just a little sensitive about her desires, no problem there. Women like her just need, in my opinion, long, slow sex. Just a steady slipping of her self-control, that is just good sex, right? No hair-pulling or other signposts for her increasingly sex-fried brain to take offense at. By the time she is about to lose all self-control, her sex-fried brain will think that’s a great idea. And then you reduce her to a quivering piece of meat.

    Again, if it matters so much to you to believe this, it’s no skin off my nose.

    Your belief, however, doesn’t change the fact that we don’t all get off on the same things. Nor proceed at the same pace, nor in the same way.

    Charlotte was the poster child for traditional feminine restraint and rule following, and was used to “show” how bad that was (out of the 4, she is the only one with a failed marriage).

    I don’t know…her failed marriage was never even remotely made out to be her fault, and really only punctured a hole in the whole “princess fantasy” marriage idea. He looked like the perfect husband, but wasn’t. And Charlotte was ultimately rewarded with what looked like the most overall loving & stable relationship of all of them, wasn’t she? (In the series, at least; I haven’t seen the movie.)

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  293. on July 2, 2009 at 2:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Real reason I didn’t figure out lilgrl and epoxy

    I thoughtxsplat was epoxy

    Wierd right.

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  294. on July 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””on July 2, 2009 at 1:26 pm Firepower
    Gunslingergregi

    Think about this [why] was the most popular guy in school with one chick most of high school?

    from my experience,it’s due to her giving the best HJs during the early years then progressing up to killer bjs, full-on intercourse (as needed) and perhaps a prom night fuck in a hottub.

    nothing like a nubile cheerleader, desired by all, expending all her sexual energy on one man to keep him loyal.

    and away from her competition. as his status grows, so does hers if connected to him in apair bond””””””””””””””””””””’

    Yea but I got to go to 3 proms and a college prom why I say most popular guy prob doesn’t have the numbers.

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  295. Rum

    Re: Monkeys/Bonobos (pygmy chimps) fuck everything all the time but they are soft bodied and confused in respect of politics

    Rum doesn’t know it, but he’s just
    described the perfect
    woman

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  296. Marcus, lol. You can keep the feminist bitch shield up all you want; as Roissy would say, you just think that more shit tests=you want to be in charge.

    If you continue to let silly little feminist fantasies block your view of reality—and your tingling gina whenever a guy like Roissy or G appears—you shall only end up even more miserable than you are now.

    “I don’t know…her failed marriage was never even remotely made out to be her fault, and really only punctured a hole in the whole “princess fantasy” marriage idea. ”

    —which is exactly my point, fool. She was punished for following the rules. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t made out directly to be her fault; the overarching theme of her first marriage was “if you play by the rules, you don’t get to know someone, and it makes a bad marriage. Slutting it up is best for healthy relationships.”

    ” And Charlotte was ultimately rewarded with what looked like the most overall loving & stable relationship of all of them, wasn’t she?”
    —only after she begn said relationship just as the other sluts did: quick sex, no intent for anything more.

    in other words, the show punished her for being a good girl, then rewarded her for being slutty.

    Case closed.

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  297. on July 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    Everyone knew me. I wouldn’t say I was the all american popular guy. I just allways had my own thing going on. Lived my life to the fullest.

    Should have went to college though especially the chicks I got. Too much social proof. When I walked her home (since I didn’t have a car) all the college chicks would be looking out there windows at us and they thought I was the devil and we all know how that translates inside a womans uterous. They were telling her I just wanted her for sex and all that shit. It was also my first false pregnancy from a chick. Her ‘friends’ had her try it on me to see how I would react or how much I loved her bla bla. I never told her I loved her. She was pretty hot though.

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  298. sounds like you had the potential for numbers, but chose not to rack ’em up for w/e reason. difficult to surmise over teh webz

    teen boys in hi school are given a pass for not scooping all the tail they can. as you said, certain social dynamics come into play imo, the fear of losing status is a prime motivator.

    its why teens make the best soldiers.

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  299. on July 2, 2009 at 2:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea got 32 to 33 just sayin he he he

    but yea prob not all I could have gotten.

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  300. Believe it or not, I’m pretty sure your Natural Alpha is the boyfriend to Chantal, the “semi-cute Latina looking girl,” who is actually a very cute Asian looking girl in real life. Bad picture of her. She’s a doll. And she makes an awesome Bloody Mary to boot.

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  301. @lexi – and where in town are these awesome bloody marys mixed…?

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  302. Marcus Aureliette said:

    Your belief, however, doesn’t change the fact that we don’t all get off on the same things. Nor proceed at the same pace, nor in the same way.

    So now I’m an ordinary person who thinks everybody is alike, and just like me?

    The world would certainly be… interesting… if everyone were like me, I’ll give you that.

    Marcus Aureliette said:

    Nor proceed at the same pace, nor in the same way.

    I have kind of wondered. I can’t see you in the bar scene at all. Where DO you look for a boyfriend?

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  303. on July 2, 2009 at 3:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Because I didn’t have to go by the norms of an all amer popular dude. What I was getting at.

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  304. @Maurice- Tabard Inn on N street between 17th and 18th… I’d tell you when she works, but you could be a creeper! 🙂 Besides, you can get a good bloody mary from any bartender there- they all use her recipe.

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  305. I’ve seen snippets of SATC and don’t find any of the Women on the show sexually attractive at all. Of course I can’t speak for other Black Men, only for myself, so take it for whatever you think its worth.

    As for MA, I too am curious-where does she go to meet Men?

    O

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  306. O–really? Even Charlotte? The girl-next-door sexiness of her is hard to beat; check out the episode she wears see-through lingerie for her husband. Killer, even though I don’t prefer brunettes at all.

    MA goes on the internet to meet and berate men for her lack of a penis. Then cries into her smirnoff ice alone, in her bed.

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  307. @ maurice/aoefe

    “sorry, sweetie, i love ya, but SJP looks like a horse. almost no man think she’s attractive.”

    TRUE STORY.

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  308. on July 2, 2009 at 4:07 pm Marcus Aureliette

    lurker:
    Marcus, lol. You can keep the feminist bitch shield up all you want; as Roissy would say, you just think that more shit tests=you want to be in charge.

    If you continue to let silly little feminist fantasies block your view of reality—and your tingling gina whenever a guy like Roissy or G appears—you shall only end up even more miserable than you are now.

    Nothing bitchy about me, dude. Bottom line: my vagina is not the boss of me. Why should that bother you? If, as you say, most women’s vaginas are the bosses of them, then surely you have more than enough bounty at your fingertips, and needn’t bother about li’l ol’ me at all.

    So now I’m an ordinary person who thinks everybody is alike, and just like me?

    I said nothing whatsoever about you as a person, only that your statement did seem to be proceeding under the assumption that all women are turned on by the same things, which is erroneous. That’s all.

    We don’t all want to be dominated, and we’re not all ruled by The Tingling. I expect we’re a small enough minority to not ripple your waters, but it’s ridiculous to assert that “All women want x”, regardless of what x is.

    I have kind of wondered. I can’t see you in the bar scene at all. Where DO you look for a boyfriend?

    No, no bar scene for me! School & work are where I’ve met them. But I don’t rack ’em up like the average girl, either. 🙂

    lurker, with all his usual charm:
    —which is exactly my point, fool. She was punished for following the rules. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t made out directly to be her fault; the overarching theme of her first marriage was “if you play by the rules, you don’t get to know someone, and it makes a bad marriage. Slutting it up is best for healthy relationships.”

    Or it could be taken that she was punished for initially being completely superficial, believing that a handsome doctor was perfection and suffering in the process of finding out that’s not necessarily the case. She was ultimately rewarded for recognizing the value of someone who didn’t fit her preconceived notions of perfection.

    Ah, interpretation!

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  309. on July 2, 2009 at 4:08 pm Marcus Aureliette

    MA goes on the internet to meet and berate men for her lack of a penis. Then cries into her smirnoff ice alone, in her bed.

    All I did was disagree with you, quite reasonably, but if the ad hominem attacks make you feel better, lurker, fire away! 🙂

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  310. @lurker – i remember the see-through nightie episode very well, as most guys would. didn’t really help her with kyle mclachlan, though, strangely enough. i also remember her rabbit-vibrator obsession and hanging out with lesbians between bfs. come to think of it, they gave charlotte as much sexy stuff as any of the others. i mainly agree with your assessment of her story arc, but i think they meant the resolution in a positive, not negative way. hollywood ending, after all. even though her dreams of domestic WASPdom were dashed, she still found happpines with a jewish mensch- the polar opposite of what she had wanted. i also liked the way kyle’s moneyed mother was portrayed as an evil manipulative crone – a stereotype, but pretty close to the truth.

    @O – i hear you, they’re too old. kristin davis was always the most fuckable one, by a long shot.

    @lexi- oh, i know that place well – it’s a timeless classic. haven’t been for years, though. true story, i was walking home on 9/11/01 after the attacks and stopped in there to get a drink and watch the TV. just about every other shop on Ct Ave was closed. i think that may have been the last time i was there. outdoor back porch a great dinner spot on a warm night, or used to be.

    your concern is commendable, but i’m more interested in stalking the booze. geez, we’re not creeps on this board. for the most part. it’s a pretty interesting bunch of dudes. bloody marys are a particular brunch fave so i’ll have to check it out. thanks for letting us know.

    @MA – OK, i’ll bite too. you write pretty well here, so you’ve introduced yourself to us. ‘fess up: what do you do for fun?

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  311. Ma:

    “Bottom line: my vagina is not the boss of me”
    —so you admit that you are attracted to men who dominate you, and you resist that.

    well done, baby. Admitting its the first step.

    MO;

    the point of her lesbian friends was that she was not having any pressure to have sex with them, which made her feel good, until they kicked her out for not having sex with them. And the vibrator/vagina mirror episodes were to show how naive she was and how little fun she was having.

    I think it was resolved in a good way for her, don’t get me wrong; however, it resolved well for her because she embraced slutting it up. That was the theme: have lots of casual sex and you will be happy; be old fashioned and be miserable.

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  312. Marcus:

    “Or it could be taken that she was punished for initially being completely superficial, believing that a handsome doctor was perfection and suffering in the process of finding out that’s not necessarily the case. She was ultimately rewarded for recognizing the value of someone who didn’t fit her preconceived notions of perfection.”
    —lol. I love feminazi takes on the situation. Because sleeping around like a whore, to feminazis=”recognizing the value of someone who didn’t fit her preconceived notions of perfection.”

    No, she merely embraced the Samantha mentality of “I’ll sleep with anything once” as opposed to waiting.

    Remember the first episode.

    As I said, woman, case closed.

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  313. on July 2, 2009 at 4:24 pm Marcus Aureliette

    midnight toker:
    you write pretty well here, so you’ve introduced yourself to us. ‘fess up: what do you do for fun?

    Thank you! For fun? The standard assortment of activities, I expect: movies, museums, live music, outdoor activities…sometimes with friends, sometimes alone. Socializing is usually with groups of friends at someone’s house, rather than bars or clubs.

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  314. on July 2, 2009 at 4:37 pm Marcus Aureliette

    —so you admit that you are attracted to men who dominate you, and you resist that.

    LOL! No, lurker. I mean that, despite what’s stated here, I have never been moved to jump into bed with a stranger. And I may be in the minority, but I don’t find assholes hot. Never have. If asshole game works for you, run with it. But it won’t work on every woman, as well you know. Carry on arguing that it will if you want to, but that will never make it true.

    —lol. I love feminazi takes on the situation. Because sleeping around like a whore, to feminazis=”recognizing the value of someone who didn’t fit her preconceived notions of perfection.”

    Except that I’m not now, nor have I ever been, a feminazi. But you keep trying, lurker!

    Remember the first episode.

    My impression is that the show was more a cautionary tale about the pitfalls of sluttiness, not a celebration of it. YMMV. If that’s how you want to interpret Charlotte’s plotline, be my guest. I think mine’s a little more optimistic, in that the superficial girl got a bit of a redemption arc, but you go on with your bad self.

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  315. @lurker- yeah, that’s right about the lesbian episode – i had forgotten. whood’a thunk you’d be an SATC geek? i think we’ve probably both embarrassed ourselves enough on this board with our knowledge of the chick show of the decade. but how can you not like entourage if you liked SATC?

    @MA – in DC, or elsewhere? i always wonder how much of the readership is actually local – obviously most is not. couldn’t hurt to let the pussy lead you around once in a while – not all the time, but as guys who think with our dicks more than we should, i can testify it’s (usually) not fatal, and often kinda fun. 😉

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  316. Mo:

    I like the show on the basis of its great writing. The plots are shallow, the morals immoral, the acting very bad, the stories are lightweight and predictable—but they do have good, clever writing. Unlike the Sopranos, which failed in syndication, SATC does well because even stripped of naked chicks, dirty talk, and explicit sex references, its writing is good; the Sopranos, as people are finding out in censorship, relied totally on foul-mouths, gratuitous naked chicks, and very graphic violence, not great writing.

    Its easy to hate Entourage because it has bad writing. It contains all of the drawbacks of SATC but not the redeeming quality of good writing. Plus its a hamhanded attempt to shove SATC’s gay-men-instraight-women theme into a gay-men-in-straight-men theme.

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  317. Marcus:

    I love how marcus changes the theme from “I’m not attracted to men who dominate me” to “I’m not attracted to assholes.” Way to move the goal posts, honey; must work amongst your little chickies in your pen. not with men, darling.

    “Except that I’m not now, nor have I ever been, a feminazi.”
    —your posts indicate otherwise.

    “My impression is that the show was more a cautionary tale about the pitfalls of sluttiness, not a celebration of it.”
    —clearly someone failed english class. Except, of course, Womyn’s studies english class.

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  318. best line by Marcus:

    “the superficial girl got a bit of a redemption arc”
    —lmao. Because the other 3 ARE SO down-to-earth in comparison.

    You fail, honey.

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  319. @lurker – OK, i’ll buy that. the writing was really good but not great, but good enough to make each episode funny. i agree that the writing on entourage is not as good, but the regular-dudes-in-paradise theme more than makes up for it. the writing isn’t always bad, though- it can be pretty funny. and really, there’s no way you can call the boys gay-men-in-straight-men’s-clothing. that’s just off. betas maybe, gay- no.

    i disagree about the Sopranos – it has really great writing too, but of a different kind, that needs many episodes to play out a story arc or character development. it was never just about the profanity or violence. maybe the reason it doesn’t do as well in syndication is because of that- the hard core fans have already seen it, and the newbies can’t latch on to what is going on. unlike SATC, in which each episode is more or less self-contained, like a “Law & Order” epsode that starts with a crime and ends with a sentencing. you can view it in isolation and still enjoy it, even though the longer-term stuff is still there.

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  320. @maurice, lilgirl

    “but SJP looks like a horse. almost no man think she’s attractive.”

    SRSLY??

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  321. SJP, while I’m sure is a nice enough woman, is not someone I would ever own up to having sexed up.

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  322. @cptnapalm

    “SJP, while I’m sure is a nice enough woman, is not someone I would ever own up to having sexed up.”

    That’s so surprising to me, I’ve lived a sheltered existence. I thought all men would find her cute little, curly haired head very sexy. Mind you her body in the movie was WAY to skinny if you ask me, one scene where she’s in bed with Big I could see her bones sticking out, wouldn’t be fun to ‘hug’ I’m guessing.

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  323. @aeofe – yup. in case you missed it when i posted the other week, here’s my favorite SJP mockery site – enjoy:

    http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/

    not that she’s an evil person, necessarily, but – there’s something annoying about having a really ugly woman pushed at men like she’s the hottest thing going. the gays who created the show liked her because she’s a skinny clotheshanger who wore very well any of the foofy clothes they put on her. much like in the fashion industry, also run by gays, in which standards of attractiveness to heterosexual men (curves, warmth, traditional feminine beuaty) are totally absent. all those runway models are always striking, but strangely not usually *attractive* to men. too bony. they’re clotheshangers, not real women.

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  324. As someone else mentioned, she was young in LA Story and bangable, but her horse-like features have been a frequent subject of discourse on these here interwebs.

    http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/

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  325. Um, Aoefe? This is gonna blow your mind then:

    http://www.sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/

    horse faced whore.

    and @cptnapalm: she’s actually rumored to be quite a high strung biatch.

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  326. lol, cptnapalm. great minds think alike.

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  327. I could see her bones sticking out, wouldn’t be fun to ‘hug’ I’m guessing.>>

    how little you know…

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  328. LOL! Mo as well!

    Women do not understand men at all. Stupid silly whores.

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  329. HA !!! three of us posted the same link at the same time. Great minds truly think alike.

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  330. @ aoefe

    Heh. I was going to post that link too but since I was outdone…

    SRSLY.

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  331. @ maurice, lurker

    The writing in SATC was…okay. I don’t know, I often found myself bored by the show. Long story short, SATC has been dead to me since they lied in the movie and said you could get married in the NYPL…which you clearly cannot, as I called up the library to check.

    Grr.

    I disagree with lurker about The Sopranos, though. There are several episodes in which the sex and/or violence is at a bare minimum, and the writing is great. Personally, it’s more of a cinematic experience, but still.

    I do agree with you, Maurice, that SATC probably does better in syndication because the episodes are self-contained — though a lot of the Sopranos episodes are fairly contained, considering it’s a series. Hmm. My senior seminar at NYU was on The Sopranos.

    Yeah, I have a real degree…

    Heh.

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  332. LILGIRL, are you in front of me, mouth open, tongue extended, looking into my eyes, after having just said, “Yes Daddy?”

    No?

    Then no comment.

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  333. senior thesis on the Sopranos? what whaaat?

    the movie was unnecessary and all about money, pandering to the big fan base out there. the series ended pretty well and just about on time, before it really jumped the shark.

    you could still have a reception in bryant park, though .. right? they have private events there, fashion week, etc. (although you might not want to.) free wi-fi for the guests if they get bored.

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  334. @maurice:

    ” all those runway models are always striking, but strangely not usually *attractive* to men. too bony. they’re clotheshangers, not real women.”
    Some of them look like little girls even as adults. I mean, it’s cute, but kind of strange.

    Gemma Ward is in her 20’s and still looks 12. Miranda Kerr is cute but also looks ridiculously young.
    Maybe it’s also kind of weird because they’re really, really tall.
    I mean, youth is a part of beauty, but these girls are kind of weird looking. In a cute way.

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  335. Marcus Aureliette wrote:

    but it’s ridiculous to assert that “All women want x”, regardless of what x is.

    What if x is chocolate?

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  336. Or X is “to be a stupid silly whroe for the rest of my life?”

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  337. @ maurice

    That’s right. What whaaaat…

    Yeah. I don’t really remember most of the movie…I fell asleep. All I really remember was that she was going to have her wedding in the library.

    So I called the library.

    And you can have a reception at the library, but you absolutely may not have a ceremony there. Sad…’tis such a gorgeous building. You can have a ceremony in Bryant Park, though.

    Free wi-fi, hmm…

    @ lurker

    Thanks for the reply. 😉

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  338. on July 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on July 2, 2009 at 5:27 pm maurice
    HA !!! three of us posted the same link at the same time. Great minds truly think alike.”””””””’

    Or three guys who are addicted to sjp but won’t admit it.

    he he he

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  339. on July 2, 2009 at 5:51 pm READER MAILBAG

    The closest I’ve been to a girl in three years is my first cousin’s knickerdrawer.

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  340. I’ve only ever seen SATC a handful of times. I was living with a couple of female friends (insert Three’s Company jokes here) and they loved it, so I figured I’d be sociable and give it a shot.

    I thought it was funny. The show obviously mocked these remarkably stupid women who actually think that what they do will get them where they want to go. I expressed that I was impressed that they lampooned these characters as ruthlessly as they did.

    The girls got kind of quiet. “This show is about what women are really like,” one of them said.

    Were someone to do an archeological dig on my soul, they would be able to pinpoint exactly the moment that the last vestige of the possibility that I could respect women as a group went extinct.

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  341. @lurker- looks like you’re getting ready to go off on a bender again, and you’re kind of a mean drunk. you’re way, way better talking about pop-culture, music, whatever. imho.

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  342. @cptnapalm:

    Wow…that’s incredibly annoying.

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  343. Gunslingergregi, SJP is like a genetic train wreck… repulsive yet I just can’t look away…

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  344. @cptnapalm- that’s what i was trying to get at before, but your anecdote tells it better. it shows the world the way a certain female demographic women really *wants* it to be, how they really want to see themselves, but is divorced from reality. which is why a lot of men just couldn’t stomach it, couldn’t suspend the disbelief. it’s still a funny show. you’re the first person i ever heard of that thought it was an out-and-out parody, though…

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  345. oh Mo stop playing up to the girls.

    Mandy has proven what a self-hating leftwing moron she is. And LILGIRL is just a typical internet attention whore.

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  346. maurice, I only saw it a handful of times. I just took it as it seemed to me. Perhaps the possibility that they were expecting the audience to take these characters seriously never occurred to me.

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  347. @lurker:

    For the love of Christ, don’t get started again.

    Seriously, all you do is try to start fights. You “hide” posts insulting me or anybody else just to see if they will argue with you, but arguing with you is like arguing with a 5-year-old who walks in circles and stops every few hours to say,”Gee, that looks framiliar” and anyone who knows better will just ignore you.

    When you don’t get the attention you want you’ll keep going until a group of people tell you what a fool you look like (I happen to like the idiot suicide bomber metaphor someone used) and that’s it.

    Then you make a few decent posts about music or t.v. shows before you regress to the wild ad hominems.

    sweet Jesus.

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  348. on July 2, 2009 at 6:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””cptnapalm
    Were someone to do an archeological dig on my soul, they would be able to pinpoint exactly the moment that the last vestige of the possibility that I could respect women as a group went extinct.”””””””””’

    lol although I have seen one glimpse of the show by accident funny still.

    Yea they might also be able to find why you couldn’t look away.

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  349. lexi

    Chantal, the “semi-cute Latina looking girl,” who is actually a very cute Asian looking girl in real life. She’s a doll.

    untrue. irl, they become radiologists or work in their dad’s party store.

    all the good-looking ones work in porn

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  350. maurice

    didn’t really help her with kyle mclachlan, though, strangely enough. i also remember her rabbit-vibrator obsession and hanging out with lesbians between bfs.

    maury, from this day on, we agree to never speak of this again.

    *backs slowly away*

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  351. @FP- aw, cmon. charlotte was adorable – the only one.

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  352. Instead of “charlot” or wtf her name is/was

    I recommend Savannah Gold – if one is inclined to watch women ‘act’ on tv.

    she even gives ya a boner
    instead of
    removing
    it

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  353. @maurice:

    Yeah.

    During the movie, since I usually suck at remembering character names, I called Charlotte the pretty one, Samantha the old one, Carrie the annoying one, and Miranda the even more annoying one.

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  354. you two have a lot of NYC cinema to discuss

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  355. If you ask me, I don’t see much “alpha” in any of them.

    According to roissy’s scale, I’m somewhere between an alpha and a lesser alpha, but I tend to take shitty pictures.

    I would be curious to see a 10-20 second video clip taken at the same time as the photo.

    Full motion 5-10 seconds before and after might change things a bit with the less obvious examples.

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  356. Ok, ok I saw the horse picture, but gotta admit she looks much better in this one huh?

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  357. @str8up

    I did end up seeing a video of the natural alpha making a drink, he was identified and linked up thread. I had chosen him from the shot, but after watching the video I wouldn’t say alpha.

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  358. Said cuntrag, the undeemable whore who thinks that once you have something stolen, you should get over it.

    Go get raped, slut.

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  359. roissy you motherfucker. did i ever tell you this is the best blog in the whole goddamn internet?

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  360. except for mine, of course.

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  361. lurker said:
    “Said cuntrag, the undeemable whore who thinks that once you have something stolen, you should get over it.

    Go get raped, slut.”

    Broken record…

    Go read cosmo.

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  362. on July 3, 2009 at 10:38 am Marcus Aureliette

    I love how marcus changes the theme from “I’m not attracted to men who dominate me” to “I’m not attracted to assholes.” Way to move the goal posts, honey; must work amongst your little chickies in your pen. not with men, darling.

    No moving goalposts. For me? No domination. No assholes. No one attempting to make decisions for me. I like what you would describe as betas. That shouldn’t puncture a hole in your worldview, although I’m sorry if it does.

    Again, why do you care? You have plenty to pick from already.

    —your posts indicate otherwise.

    Except to those who’ve, you know, read any of my posts. But you keep at it! One note is still music, right?

    —clearly someone failed english class. Except, of course, Womyn’s studies english class.

    Never took one of those, lurker. I guess you’ll have to be the expert on womyn’s education. Hmmm, you know an awful lot about SATC for a guy, too….

    But I’m done with you. You don’t want to discuss, you want to bludgeon, regardless of what’s being said. Unproductive.

    comment whatever:
    What if x is chocolate?

    Still holds, I’m afraid! 🙂

    joker, smoker:
    @MA – in DC, or elsewhere? i always wonder how much of
    the readership is actually local – obviously most is not. couldn’t hurt to let the pussy lead you around once in a while – not all the time, but as guys who think with our dicks more than we should, i can testify it’s (usually) not fatal, and often kinda fun.

    No, I’m nowhere near DC. And I’m not slamming people who let their nethers decide for them, I’m saying only that it doesn’t work that way for everyone. I’m simply not interested in a guy sexually until I’ve gotten to know him, and I’m sort of fascinated by people who aren’t wired that way. It’s interesting to hear about it from their POV, which is part of the reason I visit here.

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  363. Marcus Aureliette said:

    No, I’m nowhere near DC. And I’m not slamming people who let their nethers decide for them, I’m saying only that it doesn’t work that way for everyone. I’m simply not interested in a guy sexually until I’ve gotten to know him, and I’m sort of fascinated by people who aren’t wired that way. It’s interesting to hear about it from their POV, which is part of the reason I visit here.

    I think you are a little confused about what Roissy has been saying here. A woman’s high or low opinion of a man is sent DIRECTLY to her nethers.

    You may take a little longer to make up your mind about a guy, but once you do, your nethers are going to fire up, or they aren’t. Sure, other things can get a girl going, and maybe domination doesn’t do it for you, though you’ve said kissing is ‘hellaciously’ important(Is hellacious a word?) but if a women has a high opinion of a man, her nether’s fire up.

    Which is why no man should ever marry or date a woman who doesn’t want him sexually. It sounds excessively simple, and it is. It is simply true. If a woman doesn’t have a high enough opinion of a man to want him, then it isn’t worth marrying or even dating her. Nothing but trouble.

    Men, in the back of their minds, know this, and so they devise all sorts of ways to generate that sexual attraction. Some of these are ‘false positives’ and some aren’t.

    Honestly, if it was possible to date a woman who didn’t want you sexually and be anything but miserable, then men would be less concerned about how much their girlfriends wants them for sex.

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  364. on July 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm Comment_Whatever

    Marcus Aureliette said:

    No, I’m nowhere near DC. And I’m not slamming people who let their nethers decide for them, I’m saying only that it doesn’t work that way for everyone. I’m simply not interested in a guy sexually until I’ve gotten to know him, and I’m sort of fascinated by people who aren’t wired that way. It’s interesting to hear about it from their POV, which is part of the reason I visit here.

    It’s been said that a half-truth is a whole lie. So I’m going to say the other half that my last post missed.

    Marcus Aureliette, it needs to be said for people in general that their nethers send signals directly into their brain. In the case of men, it makes them hallucinate the girl unto a pedestal. Thus the stripper becomes a ‘nice girl’. Great big warning signs are effortlessly swept under the rug to maintain the imaginary woman they have placed on their pedestal. For women, like S. in Reader Mailbag #1, the hallucination is only a little different. If a cad, say a liberal arts student you met at night school, knows how to push your attraction buttons, unique or not, then a woman’s nethers will send signals directly into her brain causing her to hallucinate him onto a ‘feminine pedestal’, that he is of high value/status. Even if he has a crummy job or no job at all. That’s why smart women know to shut down their sex drive before the sex drive shuts down their brain. All women COULD do this, but clearly most FAIL to. So could men, for that matter, but they seem to not be up to it either. Almost all girls in their early sex life feel the need to give it up for a liberal arts student, and their hallucination of his high status can be quite enduring:

    S. said:

    Maurice: No, not all men pander to my opinions or views, but aforementioned PUA had the triad of intelligence, good-looks, and humour underscored by a comforting sort of arrogance. I think that’s rarer than you might think to come by. He also did, in retrospect, have very tight game. After finding out the number of women he’s been with, I was well too aware that I didn’t really stand a chance.

    Simplified:
    ‘He WAS high status! I wasn’t tricked!’-S.

    Yeah, sure, S. No. He made you horny, your sex drive caused your brain to hallucinate, and then you popped your legs open on the second date. Good for you, S.

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  365. on July 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Comment but he didn’t choose her is the major theme. Not whether or not he was high status. He could have chosen to be with her long term. He did not.

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  366. The men that are smiling have somewhere to put their hands so they are obviously relaxed. But I beg to differ on your assessment of the three men on the left. I think the man on the far left is the PUA and an aggressive sort.

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  367. @Wonka
    “Typically, they have a lower chance of getting a job, tend to make less money, and probably have poorer chances with women. The first two have been verified in studies. The last is supposition on my part.”

    It’s no longer supposition.

    http://www.aeaweb.org/annual_mtg_papers/2006/0106_0800_0502.pdf

    “For example, our estimates imply that compared to a man who is five inches taller than a woman and earns $ 50,000 per year, a man who is five inches shorter than a woman
    would need to earn slightly more than half a million dollars per year to make up for his shortcoming.”

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  368. Roissy: Is alpha the guy who CAN attract the most women, or the one who is BANGING the most women? There can be a big difference.

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  369. “roark/keith/cliff/betaboy:”

    I’ve dominated Roissy so much, now he reflexively addresses me when somebody else dominates him. Poor guy’s got Stockholm Syndrome.

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  370. Greg–

    Is alpha the guy who CAN attract the most women, or the one who is BANGING the most women? There can be a big difference.

    Roissy has made it clear it’s the former.

    More specifically, it’s the man who can attract the hottest women (10s & 9s) the most quickly, which means he could get the largest numbers if he wanted to (super alphas) or almost the hottest (9s &8s) quickly and not just forevaeva (or tryout of that) which makes high numbers possible (solid alphas), and so on.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/

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  371. In that case I’d suggest that the most alpha guys are the ones that are famous, because technically they have the most 9s and 10s ready to sleep with them at the drop of a hat. The surest way to become a super-alpha is fame (among women) and lots of public appearances.

    Also to become the most alpha you can be, as you defined above, you should actually forego the approach-close numbers game that many PUAs advocate, and instead focus on being attractive to the most numbers of women. Let them chase you.

    Although I should add, that you should work on becoming attractive to the type of women YOU want… luckily there’s a big overlap in who men consider 9s and 10s.

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  372. I see what you mean roissy, and I agree with your whole analysis, except for the guy on the far left in the pic, who strikes me as an Alpha.

    Note the following:

    1) He’s standing well off to the side, away from the “pack”

    2) His visage has a look of independence, autonomy, discernment, and a maverick streak — looks like a lot of venture capitalists I’ve met

    3) I disagree about how he’s holding his drink – you say it’s beta, I say look at the odd configuration of his fingers on the bottle — almost like he’s cradling or caressing a woman’s breast or something — calculated but at the same time natural

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  373. welcome back, joe t. yeah, after a closer examination of the pic, i’ve decided that the guy on the far left is showing more alpha ‘tude than i originally surmised. the head cock is a sure alpha sign of haughty arrogance. and yes the way he’s holding his glass is unqiue.

    it also turns out, based on a comment above by “dcbartender”, that the natural alpha on the far right may not be so alpha. he’s dating the semi-cute asian chick in the pic, which means he is punching a bit below his market class. therefore, i downgrade him to lesser alpha.

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  374. on July 5, 2009 at 4:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    I am just saying asian chicks gonna take over by sheer force of womanhood. Not enticing at all in pic although maybe in color better looking or when she lets hair down. There are billions of them.

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  375. Right roissy… BTW, the grinning white chick in the front is a real monstrosity. Though her dress blends in with the dark background, you can see how wide and amorphous her body is. I think Disco Stu put his hand on her out of sympathy and cameraderie. Either that or he’s had one too many shots…

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  376. What happened to good old fashioned looking at a person’s style to figure out whether they like to bang chicks:

    guy on left vs guy on right

    edgy facial hair clean cut
    eyes cocked hint of glasses
    dressed up with tie, elegant without tie,
    did it for this particular event used to dressing up
    down to earth mentality academic achiever ment.
    not next to plain chicks next to plain chicks

    now if guy on right is dating the chick, they can’t all be star bartenders can they? Or is it sort of like a dating between the stars thing?

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  377. spacing didn’t preserve:

    guy on left / vs guy on right
    ——————————-
    edgy facial hair / clean cut
    eyes cocked / hint of glasses
    dressed up with tie, / elegant without tie,
    did it for this particular event / used to dressing up
    down to earth mentality / academic achiever ment.
    not next to plain chicks / next to plain chicks
    shorter / taller

    Definitely the guy on the left should be expected to have more “game” than the guy on the right, by virtue of the above characteristics.

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  378. SO TRUE! That’s the guy I instantly spotted. The tallest, great body language, confident look, subtle smile! Totally alpha.

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  379. Cute but pointless exercise.

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  380. the man identified as the alpha in this photo is Derek Brown, now one of the owners of Passenger on 7th St NW, a couple blocks north of Chinatown. those into the DC craft cocktail scene know him (as a charlatan and a hack, some would say). alpha? never struck me as such, though I will admit that THAT particular picture certainly makes him seem so, esp relative to the competition.

    he’s definitely not the most beta dude I’ve ever met, but far from the most alpha too.

    however, if all we had to go on was this photo, Roissy’s analysis would be spot on. I guess the craft bartender scene is DC is populated with lots of herbs.

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