Better Than

Alpha male > alpha female > beta female > beta male

30 year old bartender > 60 year old CEO > 30 year old computer nerd

Puppy > magic trick > palm reading > trendy shirt > showing up

Quality girl > slut > frigid ice queen

Sex with Bar Refaeli > sex with Bar Refaeli sexbot > sex with a 7 > sex with a 7 sexbot > sex with a 6 > masturbation > sex with the rest

Red wine > white wine

Barely Legal > Youporn > cumpilations > SI swimsuit issue > tubgirl

Charismatic alpha > asshole > gentleman > niceguy > morbidly obese loner

Sports star with no game > pickup artist > average guy with game > average guy with no game

Sex addict meeting > house party > bar > street > club > work > NAAFA mixer

Cheating man > cheating woman

Abortion > ward of the state

Voluntary formal eugenics > informal eugenics as currently practiced

For men: Fame > game > wealth > sense of humor > looks

For women: Looks >>> everything else

Thursdays > Saturdays

Multiple long term relationships > single relationship spiced with flings > monogamous relationship with quality girl > serial flings > one night stands > monogamous relationship with girl you don’t love > death > celibacy > marriage to a warpig

Not lying for sex > lying for sex > lying for relationship > lying for no sex > not lying for no sex

Indirect game >= direct game

Raw dog > blowjob > condom > blowjob with condom > couch crease > warpig crease

Big real tits > small real tits > fake big tits > no tits

Whore > golddigger > ex-wife

Maxims > blind faith

Me + perfect woman > perfect woman

Sex with love > sex with no love > no love with no sex > love with no sex





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  1. uh… you ok man?

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  2. Game always wins over fame.

    I have a graveyard of pro-athletes, actor guy and musician guy to prove it.

    – MPM

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  3. Down-Bluouse > Nip Silp > Seethru > Jiggle > Pokies > Cleavage > Titanium Bra

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  4. acrylic nails > long natural nails > painted short nails > ugly tomboy hands

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  5. Loved this, agree with almost all of it, but have one question:

    For men: Fame > game > wealth > sense of humor > looks

    I notice you omitted power. Where does it fit into this equation? It’s not synonymous with fame, you can have fame and lack wealth and power. Just look at infamous reality TV stars who have fame but are at the bottom of the power totem pole in Hollywood. You can have wealth without power and power without wealth, so those two aren’t synonmous either. I’d love to see this scale redone with “power” inserted.

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  6. celebrity and fame are different. Fame is celebrity you earn by means of some real skill or achievement that others truly admire.

    Celebrity can get you girls, but not like fame does.

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  7. on September 9, 2008 at 7:01 pm monohechomierda

    For men I would have to rank wealth first…….if you’ve never really experienced it I can see how one would rank it lower, but after you have wealth you have time, less stress, and the freedom to work on game or whatever the fuck else you want.

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  8. snatch > poon > cunt > beaver > clam > furburger > vertical smile

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  9. on September 9, 2008 at 7:21 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Bartenders aren’t better than anything, much less a CEO.

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  10. on September 9, 2008 at 7:36 pm Turkeybaster115

    “….sex with a 6 > masturbation > sex with the rest”

    WORD, MCmotherF**kin’, WORD!

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  11. Bar Rafaeli? She’s had what, the amount of sex partners probably equal to Scarlett Johannson? Who gets tested for STDs every six months?

    One slept with Leonardo DiCaprio. The other probably Woody Allen. What does that tell you?

    An attractive girl with good character, intelligence, fewer sex partners is preferable as a sex partner and girlfriend than a beautiful woman who has the risks of STDs and is a one-night stand at best.

    It’s Mary Ann vs. Ginger. For most guys, there is no functional attractive difference between Mary Ann and Ginger in terms of pure sex appeal. While Mary Ann has had fewer sex partners and is far more likely therefore to be your girlfriend and faithful. You won’t spend every second exhaustively trying to fend off competitors like with Ginger.

    Heck there’s a whole group of actresses who understand the nerd girl / girl next door appeal, and mine it for every bit they can. Kari Ann Byron (Mythbusters), Felicia Day, Alyson Hannigan took that to very profitable careers. Over someone like Bar Rafaeli.

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  12. on September 9, 2008 at 7:47 pm Usually Lurking

    Big real tits > small real tits > fake big tits > no tits

    Perky Medium Tits > Perky Small Tits > Perky Big Tits > everything else

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  13. 16 year old woman > 26 year old woman

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  14. on September 9, 2008 at 8:02 pm Turkeybaster115

    18 year old preggers> 38 year old preggers(http://omg.yahoo.com/news/actress-minnie-driver-welcomes-a-boy/12871?nc) why are women now delaying pregnancy, and family, more and more?

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  15. Shaved > landing strip > reverse upside down tetrahedron > upside down triangle > unshaved

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  16. why are women now delaying pregnancy, and family, more and more?

    fun while young and healthy > fun while old and frail

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  17. big C or D real tits depending on body frame >fake same up to DD>C fakes on a D frame>natural B>no tits>monstrosities.

    Except even monstrosities could be a freakish one night stand hotfest if you don’t have to be seen with, except when having your guy friends over to watch the superbowl.

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  18. T 5–

    Power would be between fame and game don’t you think?

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  19. Quality girl > slut > frigid ice queen

    Slut > quality girl = frigid ice queen

    Sex with Bar Refaeli > sex with Bar Refaeli sexbot > sex with a 7 > sex with a 7 sexbot > sex with a 6 > masturbation > sex with the rest

    masturbation > sex with all

    Red wine > white wine

    TRUTH

    Big real tits > small real tits > fake big tits > no tits

    big real tits = fake big tits > women with anything below DD cups*

    *as always, factors such as ass size and acrylic nails play a role

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  20. Roissy needs to stop lying to himself. A man’s looks is so not number 4.

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  21. #15 wasn’t actually me.

    My view:

    Glorious Natural Pelt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Landing Strip
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hideous Pedophilic Bald Eagle

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  22. Sometimes I’m convinced you masturbate to your own posts.

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  23. on September 9, 2008 at 9:04 pm Patrick Bateman

    @whiskey

    Roissy is right about Bar Refaeli. I’d much rather fuck a hot filthy slut (Ginger) than a hot sweet girl (Mary Ann). Mary Ann is marriage material, but I just wouldn’t feel right doing those filthy things to my wife.

    45 year old CEO> 30 year old bartender > 60 year old CEO > 30 year old computer nerd > David Alexander

    @Chic Noir
    Roissy needs to stop lying to himself. A man’s looks is so not number 4.

    Where would you place in relation to the other qualities he listed? It seems about right to me for picking up the average woman.

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  24. on September 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm Turkeybaster115

    whiskey, how do you know this about scarlet johanson? Tabloids? or has she admitted it?

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  25. Roissy is right about Bar Refaeli. I’d much rather fuck a hot filthy slut (Ginger) than a hot sweet girl (Mary Ann). Mary Ann is marriage material, but I just wouldn’t feel right doing those filthy things to my wife.

    Geez, please tell me you don’t have something as cliched as a madonna-whore complex. If so, prepare for a life of misery, compartmentalizing whores and “good girls” is hands-down the worst complex for a man to deal with in my opinion.

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  26. T:
    I notice you omitted power. Where does it fit into this equation?

    power is an umbrella term that encompasses many attributes. wealth is a form of power. charm is power. so are looks. and of course, game is power. if i had included power as a separate category undoubtedly it would have been at the front of the list, more important than all the other categories combined. but i found it clearer to avoid a vague term like “power” and delineate the attributes that make a man powerful. i suppose the attribute that comes closest to defining power as a concept is psychological dominance.

    mono:
    For men I would have to rank wealth first

    no, fame is more powerful than wealth. women are drawn to famous men like flies to shit. it is the penultimate form of social power and tribal status.

    whiskey:
    Bar Rafaeli? She’s had what, the amount of sex partners probably equal to Scarlett Johannson?

    we’re not talking about marriage worthiness, we’re talking about sexual attractiveness. and actually, bar’s beauty is so incredible most men would happily overlook her past dalliances to marry her.

    closet gay AKA david alexander:
    Slut > quality girl = frigid ice queen

    wrong.

    masturbation > sex with all

    wrong.

    big real tits = fake big tits > women with anything below DD cups

    wrong.

    DA, if you aren’t pulling an absurdist troll act and what you say truly reflects how you feel, then you are smart enough to know that your… esoteric tastes… are an extreme exception to the rule.
    hence, your opinion is of no consequence… or validity… at all, and the general audience can safely wrap your quirky and uberbeta assertions in a tidy little bow and send it off to the island of discredited weirdos where lantern-jawed trannies are attractive to all the men and porn is preferred to sex with any woman.

    chic:
    Roissy needs to stop lying to himself. A man’s looks is so not number 4.

    it’s number 5.
    chic, you may join david on the island of unusual exceptions to the rule.
    btw, i have a hunch that the preference for men’s looks varies by race, with black women placing a greater premium on a man’s looks than the other races. just something i’ve personally observed and heard.

    tristram:
    Sometimes I’m convinced you masturbate to your own posts.

    true. i’m writing this blog as much for me as i am for you. i will amuse myself however i like, your snark to the contrary notwithstanding.

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  27. a). Multiple long term relationships > single relationship spiced with flings > monogamous relationship with quality girl > serial flings > one night stands > monogamous relationship with girl you don’t love > death > celibacy > marriage to a warpig
    b). Sex with love (and the link) > sex with no love > no love with no sex > love with no sex

    Pupu’s observation: when love is something one can not live without, he may have to diversify so a single loss won’t take his life. Sex is the match that lights the fire of love. When there is no love, the little match girl can always light a match and dream for a night.

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  28. Mary Ann is marriage material, but I just wouldn’t feel right doing those filthy things to my wife.

    Of course, the problem is that in long term, if you’re not going to do filthy things to your wife, you’ll find yourself doing it to another woman. After a while, you’ll begin to question why you keep your wife around when she’s not of much use and there are no kids…

    If so, prepare for a life of misery, compartmentalizing whores and “good girls” is hands-down the worst complex for a man to deal with in my opinion.

    I touched upon the subject in a half-assed manner on my blog a few days ago, and as I pointed out, the problem is that one just doesn’t find the sexuality in the nice looking girls. It takes the over-sexualized look of a porn star (or in the specific case, club-going young woman) to induce sexual acts. In contrast, as I discovered first hand, sans my fetishes being enticed, even with a woman throwing herself at me, I’m not much use as a sexual partner.

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  29. 26 roissy:

    with black women placing a greater premium on a man’s looks than the other races. just something i’ve personally observed and heard.

    They tend to go gaga for guys with thick, soccer-player legs.

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  30. Patrick Bateman

    Looks come in at about 2 or 1. Depending on the woman, fame or wealth will come first.btw, I don’t get the big deal with the inportance of being famous to people in my age group. I can only guess and say that it’s because so many young people are growing up, feeling unloved or unwanted by their parents. Or maybe we look more to Hollywood for rolemodels versus family members,local heros or sports figures like many Americans use to .

    for me

    looks>wealth>nice “warm” person.
    Wealth and nice person can switch depending on the person. Gamers don’t do well with me because I don’t put out easy, and those guys are looking for a hit and run.

    I really don’t ride men to hard for wanting a nice looking woman except when they are broke 2s thinking they deserve a 10. I understand why men are attracted to good looking women because I love good looks too. When a woman sees you across the room, it is only your looks that she has to go one until you open your mouth.

    Notice that all of the Hollywood guys who women most frequently list as their favs are all good looking. There are plenty of average looking and below average looking men in Hollywood. Those who are average and below do not bring out the same natural response in women that the good looking men do. I have not heard many women say that Jack Black, Kevin James or Jerry Seinfield makes them fell moist.

    Even Micheal Phelps has been called fug by a lot of women, I wouldn’t want my son to look like him. He is what we call a million dollar body and a food stamp face. He is getting a lot of trim because he is famous,and lets not forget that body. He has a very nice body, I love his six pack stomach.

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  31. DA, if you aren’t pulling an absurdist troll act and what you say truly reflects how you feel

    Maybe it’s from my perspective, but the girls who I enjoy spending time with are pretty much the least sexually attractive and most sexually inhibited women that I’ve met. As for large tits, if fake tits weren’t popular, they’d be devoid from porn. I mean, maybe in the long term, you’d question fake tits, and one could compromise with C and D cups, but I’d rather have fake tits than the boyish flat tit look of A and B cups.

    As for jerking off to porn, admittedly, despite a large collection that grows every week, it does become tiring and boring to wank to it, and can become like a chore instead of a pleasurable process. Yet despite this, I’ve yet to throw myself into the churn of the dating pool because most women don’t appeal to my “esoteric” tastes. Given the choice to bang an average 5 (due to my own personal rank of 3), or use porn, staying with porn probably makes more sense than having sex with somebody I’ll eventually begin to resent for her ugliness, lack of sexual appeal, and public embarrassment.

    esoteric tastes… are an extreme exception to the rule.

    In contrast, I find that the conventional tastes of my male friends are weird…

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  32. T said Geez, please tell me you don’t have something as cliched as a madonna-whore complex. If so, prepare for a life of misery, compartmentalizing whores and “good girls” is hands-down the worst complex for a man to deal with in my opinion.

    T many men in our age group have it too. I agree that it is
    the worst.

    it’s number 5.
    chic, you may join david on the island of unusual exceptions to the rule.
    btw, i have a hunch that the preference for men’s looks varies by race, with black women placing a greater premium on a man’s looks than the other races. just something i’ve personally observed and heard

    Maybe maybe not. I think I am right about this because when women talk amongst themselves the truth comes out versus when men are around. Just like those cheating surveys some women will tell you what sounds good or what they believe to be the right answer.

    Why would any woman with a little common sense want to be a famous but financially unstable & ugly former survivor contestant for the long term/short term???

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  33. Rossiy likes women with thick eyebrows and long eyelashes. I think I know his type now. Bar is very goodlooking. I think the woman Benji Madden* was dating before he started dating Paris Hilton can give her a run.

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  34. Male looks are important for short-term relationships, hence the correlation with ethnic group. David Buss’ 1989 cross-cultural survey showed that women place high emphasis on male looks where there is a high pathogen load, including West Africa, where most Af-Ams are from.

    They’re probably trying to get a guy with “good genes” for health, and that’s signaled by his looks. They don’t care much if he sticks around — their kid will get his protective genes, and making it out of the gauntlet of infections matters more than if the father will read to the kid every day.

    Looks are also more important for younger girls: “Omigod, did you see the cute new boy in math class??? I like fell down the stairs trying to look at him, I’m such a clutz!!!” It’s probably due to their higher testosterone levels.

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  35. agnostic on site.

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  36. btw, i have a hunch that the preference for men’s looks varies by race, with black women placing a greater premium on a man’s looks than the other races. just something i’ve personally observed and heard.

    I never heard this one before. Interesting. I need to do my own investigation into this. Right now I don’t have any opinion one way or the other.

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  37. Those who are average and below do not bring out the same natural response in women that the good looking men do. I have not heard many women say that Jack Black, Kevin James or Jerry Seinfield makes them fell moist.

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  38. Love is #1. No love means I just don’t even want to even kiss the guy. The order follows: emotional intimacy, friendship and compatibility (this includes personality, sense of humor and intelligence), then looks, wealth, and lastly fame.

    I’d be content staying at home all day and night cuddling and making love, laughing about random stuff and licking his ears instead of going out to fancy restaurants or even vacationing in exotic locales. Taking a cheap walk in nature, by the lake or ocean is much more romantic than spending thousands of dollars to “be seen” with a crowd.

    To Chic Noir, I fell in love with my husband (30+ year old computer nerd) without seeing a picture of him, just his self-description. Yeah, I think I, too, fall under the “weird” category of commenters.

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  39. Rossiy likes women with thick eyebrows and long eyelashes.

    Wow thank you, I just realized that thick eyebrows are very important to me. I don’t know why. I could be the Peter of eyebrows.

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  40. Black men appear to be more image-conscious than men of other races. With all that extra grooming and peacocking, they’re just trying to meet the higher bar of sexual selectivity set by black women (assuming that’s who they wish to attract)

    What’s funny is that despite paying so much attention to their looks, modern black men are not classified as metrosexuals.

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  41. [email protected]

    name a few stars that you find attractive and I can figure out your type too. Please don’t name the generic girls(jessica a, haile,etc) if you really don’t find them attractive.

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  42. @34: agnostic

    “It’s probably due to their higher testosterone levels.”

    Isn’t testosterone directly linked to sex drive? If so, shouldn’t the sex drive of a woman reduce with age? I’ve heard a lot that women want more sex as they grow older to a certain age – myth?

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  43. Sunny I would argue that American wm as a group have a tendency to be very sloppy dressers and slovenly in appearance. French and Italian men do just fine with women and as a group but a lot into the way they look. Even Swedish men put in a bit of effort. Not everybody can be a ten but you can at the very least, look neat and well groomed.

    What’s funny is that despite paying so much attention to their looks, modern black men are not classified as metrosexuals.

    because the two are not mutually inclusive
    .

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  44. “Those who are average and below do not bring out the same natural response in women that the good looking men do. I have not heard many women say that Jack Black, Kevin James or Jerry Seinfield makes them fell moist. ”

    They don’t say it but they do respond to fame. Jerry Seinfeld was engaged to a 16 year old he met in central park. There’s a video of Jeff Goldblum picking up women in midtown; yeah, he’s hot.

    Women would rather have the really hot celebrity but they’ll take any celeb.

    Fuck, look at Jack Nicholson. Dude looks a kimodo dragon and scores many many hot women. True, he used to be really handsome but he sure isn’t anymore. (Of course, that goes to show that women are looking for quality genes since women know that Jack was hot at his peak; yet another reason men retain value on the mating market for longer).

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  45. @Chic–I think you’re conflating what women *say* with what they *do.* For a guy attempting to play, that’s a big mistake. Women may not talk about wanting Seinfeld, but when he was single he was in more model ass than Victoria’s Secret thongs. It’s meritocratic in a way–dudes can’t get much better looking, but they can increase their wealth, fame and/or game.

    @Hope–you’re deep, but tragically, you’re taken, so guys will have to console themselves by sexing the superficial masses.

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  46. Fuck, look at Jack Nicholson. Dude looks a kimodo dragon

    because* of this, ^^^you owe me 3 bucks for the latte that I just half spit out and half chocked on.

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  47. 42 Sunny:

    I’ve heard a lot that women want more sex as they grow older to a certain age – myth?

    It’s called “desperation.”

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  48. @Maxwell Demon & Steve Johnson- I am not denying that some women don’t respond to famous men but I am saying that in the heart of hearts, women want a good looking rich man. It’s apart of the fairy tale we taught as little girls.

    Max, Jerry’s pulling in all of those goodlooking women had to do with his money as much as his good looks. If you are a man who hates women or the behavior of modern women, read about Jerry’s wife and how fast she dumped her new husband for Jerry.

    Steve- Don’t think that Jack Nicolson’s fame blinds those women to his big bloated belly.

    At the end of the day, most women do what most men do, settle.

    Jay Z, is a best of all beasts but a lot of blk women find him attractive but admit that he is not good looking in the least.

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  49. Hanging out with DA and Chic Noir on the island of unusual exceptions to the rule > dating an ugly but wealthy, famous comedian with excellent game

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  50. Steve, you think jack was handsome back in his day???
    I think you are the first person to say(write) that to me.

    He could not hold a candle toa young Paul Newman,Marlon Brando or Robert Redford.

    Redford’s face has aged horribly. He must of been a heavy smooker and sun worshiper in his youth.

    I saw a movie old movie which Redford stared in a few years ago and was shocked at how goodlooking his was in his youth. I always wondered why older blk women would put him on their lists until I saw that movie. I can’t tell you to much about the movie because I was to busy looking at Redford.

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  51. I must change my pic.

    @Brandy- Wealth can certainly win over looks but the ideal is a very goodlooking wealthy man.

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  52. When I was an early-30s computer programmer, about ten years ago, I was almost completely clueless about how to pick up women that I met face to face. My attempts to learn were a huge botch — far too little signal, far too much noise about how intolerably oppressive it is for a man to approach a woman when it turns out she is not attracted to him. But…

    In any situation where some romantic curiosity on both sides was a given (e.g., first date after meeting through singles ads), it was pretty easy for me me to interest women, and to keep their interest, without anything much like Roissy’s or Strauss’s game. For interesting women my seduction MO, such as it was, was about as sophisticated as making it clear to an uncertain cat that, should it decide to settle down in my lap, a good time could be had by all. For a stranger’s cat it takes a few minutes, for a female human stranger it took a few dates. Presently you learn whether there is anything there, and very often there is.

    And most programmers reading this will be taller than 5’5″, will not be nondrinkers, will be less stubborn than I was about driving an old reliable Civic and not wanting to dress up, and will not be such geeks that that their most consistent social habit is playing the game of Go. Many of them won’t be divorced, either. With their advantages, one might expect many of them to do even better than I did.

    Of course, these days spammers nuke singles ad sites ’til they glow. Thus, these days, singles ads are probably pretty bad as a shortcut, and programmers are stuck with the problem of approaching women. And possibly programmers consistently do tend to suck at the problem of approach and the first 20 minutes or so. (Also, unless they devote a lot of time to it, they might not have nearly as many opportunities as a bartender does.) But after the first 20 minutes, and especially on the first date and beyond? In my experience that was a pretty easy problem for an early-30s programmer operating under my strict rules for not misleading people. I doubt it could be much easier for a 30-year-old bartender with no reservations about being manipulatively dishonest.

    (Incidentally, I’m in Dallas. Things could well be a little different in DC. But I’d guess that no more than 33% of readers these days are within 100 miles of DC.)

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  53. I’m not knocking being good-looking and rich; probably these are helpful in poon acquisition. Overall, though, I agree with Roissy–bemoaning your lack of cash, face, whatever is a beta move. There are sketchy-looking, impoverished alphas pulling impressive tail *as we speak.* See, e.g., sailors, every drummer ever.

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  54. william-I think bartenders have an easier time with women because they are or they learn to be very natural around women. With all of their female customers they get plenty of practice on how to best approach women. I like shy cute men who seem nervous when they approach but I know most women don’t. I think the most important thing for men is being confident but not a doche bag.

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  55. maxwell- I don’t either sex should bemoan what they don’t have. Just work with what you have. At the same time how many men are sailors, drummers,multimillionaires or 10s with sixpacks?

    My ideal is goodlooking and wealthy but most people don’t get their ideal. Even the very wealhy goodlooking men don’t get their dream girl. On the outside yes, but on the inside someone who really loves who they are not what they have or their looks, not often.

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  56. Hanging out with DA and Chic Noir on the island of unusual exceptions to the rule

    You win a big friendly hug. 🙂

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  57. William Newman — as a computer guy and fellow Texan myself…

    Of course, these days spammers nuke singles ad sites ’til they glow. Thus, these days, singles ads are probably pretty bad as a shortcut, and programmers are stuck with the problem of approaching women.

    Yeah, I’ve concluded that online is just a waste of my time. Not so much because of spammers, but because of the response rates. I don’t know if I’m atypical, but I generally found that if I emailed 10 women, typically I would get 0 or 1 responses. Maybe 2 if I was having a stellar day. Then, an email reply leads to maybe a 1 in 3 chance of a date (more often, she mysteriously vanishes from the face of the planet or flakes on the date).

    No idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that women can easily log in and find themselves with hundreds of emails, which would explain this. I’m happy to leave a profile up on a site where I don’t have to pay, and if people want to reply to it that’s fine; that takes no effort on my part. But to troll through all those profiles sending copy-and-paste emails with maybe some slight customization (there’s no other way to do it when you consider the numbers above)… far too many of which are ugly fatties… what’s the point? I’ll take my chances in the bar scene over that.

    And possibly programmers consistently do tend to suck at the problem of approach and the first 20 minutes or so.

    Thing is, we’re talking about a learnable skill here. You can sit there like a social retard, or you can do an approach. Some people are naturals and others are not. For those who are not naturals, it just takes more effort.

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  58. Chic–Jack was definitely hot and considered hot back in the day (if a bit short for my tastes)…he also had a reputation as an amazing lover. Paul Newman was endlessly gorgeous but Redford never did it for me. Clint Eastwood was hotter. 🙂

    That being said–thanks for the pic Roissy.

    Bar is beautiful. Not just sexy but really pretty.

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  59. William Newman, agreed. Most programmers I know at my work are married. Their wives are not the most beautiful, but then, very few people in real life can usually look as beautiful as the media figures. I don’t think celebrity males really “sell” to women either. Most female magazines feature photos of celebrity females.

    I have met some almost flawless looking women in person who are simply breathtaking in their beauty. But the cruel reality is that with time, a woman’s physical beauty inevitably fades. A man’s looks also fade with time, but definitely not at the same rate. It is foolish for a woman to marry “up” in looks…

    Almost everyone I work with is older than me. There is an elegant lady who is in her late 40s to early 50s, who dresses well and takes care of herself, and must have been a real stunner in her youth. She is still good looking, but it is merely a shadow of her former glory.

    The thing about ideals is what, by definition, they are concepts and exist in the mind, not rooted in reality. If you cannot appreciate and find wonder in the imperfections, flaws and blunders of normal people and everyday existence, you will always set yourself up for failure chasing after impossible ideals.

    And really, that’s why sex — and everything else — when you’re in love is so good. Love does not really blind you to a person’s flaws… it makes you love the flaws themselves.

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  60. on September 10, 2008 at 2:41 am random passerby

    roissy:
    Alpha male > alpha female > beta female > beta male
    Sorry, but no. You all lose. If you want to be a winner (or at least less of a loser), don’t play the game.

    Cheating man > cheating woman
    Both are wrong.

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  61. 60 random passerby:

    Sorry, but no. You all lose. If you want to be a winner (or at least less of a loser), don’t play the game.

    beta male > omega male > David Alexander > child molester > pond scum > my latest turd > random passerby

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  62. Turkeybaster — Johansson said it in an interview (she gets tested every six months for STDs). Woody Allen calls her his “sexual muse” and keeps casting her. Factor in Soon-Yi Previn and …

    Ricky Raw — it’s not what I do. It’s what *MEN* in general do, because there are valid reasons. Is Ginger that better in bed? I think not. If both Ginger and Mary Ann are equally attractive (they are), then take the one least likely to require massive amounts of energy to retain her.

    Why do you think every nerd guy drools over Kari Ann Byron but not Rafaeli? Because for most guys, there is no real difference. Once a woman meets a floor of attractiveness, there is no real difference between her and her “hotter” friends. That’s what the marketplace tends to confirm.

    After all, by all accounts Paris Hilton can be made to look very attractive. How many men fantasize about her? [I’ve seen, on Southern California beaches, women easily as attractive as Rafaeli, without btw makeup and airbrushing/photoshop.]

    Sex partners for women matter when a man considers her. I think many men would have pause for Rafaeli, while not for a women of slightly lesser looks but fewer (particularly celebrity) partners. In fact I’d say this would be …

    A KEY EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE. Think about STDs, then think about natural selection. I would be shocked if many men, who knew about the nature and number of partners a woman had, did not factor that in.

    Moreover, if a woman has more partners, the likelihood of her being able to form emotional attachments is reduced. Since the Oxytocin and other hormones released during sex lose their effect the more partners one has (according to some research I’ve seen). There is a reason why most cultures try and discourage polyamory, and any attempt to organize on that principle just falls apart — all the Free Love communes of the 1830’s, 1860’s, and 1960’s all came a cropper.

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  63. @kassyk- LOL, I will try to find more pics of a young Jack. I want to see what you see.

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  64. seeing buckethead live>cocaine>cheesecake>crokinole>meatspin.com

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  65. wait a minute. nothing beats this:

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  66. Whiskey, while you are correct in your reasoning, oxytocin bonding and the “good girl” facade can only go so far. Do not be fooled into thinking that there are exclusively monogamous “madonnas” and slutty “whores.”

    The reality is, each woman is a bit of both when it comes to her brain chemistry. She must be consciously aware of these facts, and she must consciously choose to remain faithful, perhaps the way Michelle Langley did.

    From Devlin’s article reviewing Women’s Infidelity.

    This seems to me a critically important and easily overlooked finding: the widely propagated notion that women are naturally monogamous is helping to nourish the contemporary “blame the man for everything” mentality.

    The “natural” female sex drive results in rotating polyandry.

    Most men here (with a few exceptions) seem to mention that the “natural” male sex drive results in the sexual need for variety etc. But seldom do they delve into the female inclination toward polyamory, and want to believe in and look for a “perfect” woman who does not have these tendencies.

    A return to shame, social constrictions and more equitable / harsh on women divorce laws would help marriages, but once people get a taste of freedom, they will raise a tremendous hue and cry over losing its loss.

    The feminist indoctrination is very powerful, and it is becoming global. Men are losing their rights in all kinds of areas, and this is but one of many…

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  67. Oops, the above sentence should have been “they will raise a tremendous hue and cry over its loss.”

    In the past, there might have existed the stable primary relationship, but with both men and women having affairs on the side. Possibly the women who had affairs passed on their genes more successfully, hence women are slightly polyarmorous.

    The ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians practiced herbal birth control, and the plant was so widely used it became extinct. The pull-out method is estimated to have been widely used for at least 2,000 years, as well.

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  68. “Thing is, we’re talking about a learnable skill here. You can sit there like a social retard, or you can do an approach.”

    Mostly agreed. I was trying to be clear that while I could testify about the nonproblem of dating for 30ish programmers, I have to be agnostic about programmers opening conversations with total strangers, since I’ve never gotten good at that. (And I’ve been reading here in part to help understand that skill.)

    I don’t completely agree, though, because it seems like a false dichotomy. In reality, you can sit there, or you can do an approach, or you can do something else entirely. People meet in other ways, not just lekking. Lekking is a fairly specialized skill, like public speaking or remembering names. Thus, no matter how bad you are at lekking sorts of skills, it’s not particularly good evidence of for “social retard.” (Think “you can sit there like a social retard, or you can make a speech.”)

    As an example of “something else entirely,” Eric Raymond’s odd old Sex Tips For Geeks is not something I would recommend as gospel, but the “somebody you’ve gotten to know a bit through one of the special-interest group activities” seems like a useful band-aid for competent positive people who are hurting in the lekking. It’s not an adequate replacement, but it’s not valueless either. Even being clueless about what kinds of interactions with random strangers are appropriate in a bar, I could naturally look reasonably good when people get to know me in a group activity. And social proof loses none of its force in the low-speed version found in group activities.

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  69. @41 Chic Noir

    You mean it?

    Ok but don’t laugh: Jennifer Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sofia Coppola.

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  70. Whiskey –

    I never disagreed with you. I can totally go along with your logic about why you choose Mary Ann over Ginger. It was Patrick Bateman’s madonna-whore rationale that I was disagreeing with.

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  71. Eric Raymond’s odd old Sex Tips For Geeks is not something I would recommend as gospel

    Wow… I hadn’t seen that before, but… bizarre. I loved the suggestion of meeting a woman through a “Linux user’s group meeting.” Now, back in reality…

    you can do something else entirely

    So the question is, what? Like Roissy said:

    Sex addict meeting > house party > bar > street > club > work > NAAFA mixer

    If bars are not your thing, well, what’s your proposed alternative for guys in their 20s/30s who are no longer in school? There are certainly advocates of “day game”, but if you’re looking for places with large fractions of young, attractive women…

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  72. Ah ok I get it Ricky — multitasking.

    Zorgon — that’s the problem. Other than bars, there are no institutions left to put young men and women together with some sort of vetting.

    Hope — that all women are neither Madonna nor Whores does not negate that proposition that some women are more prone to affairs than other, or at least require rather exhaustive attention to maintain a relationship.

    Thus to my mind, the success of the Geek Girl as a fantasy. Presumably, there is a market for that, probably fairly large.

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  73. “30 year old bartender > 60 year old CEO”

    He must be a CEO of a pretty shitty company…or an ultra “beta”. Being a bartender is “cool”, but nothing make ’em wet like an SL 500. Game unnecessary.

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  74. on September 10, 2008 at 11:08 am Not the real Buddha

    going out, having fun, meeting cool people > going out, having fun, ‘picking up’ > having fun, not picking up > not having fun, picking up > not having fun, not picking up

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  75. Love does not really blind you to a person’s flaws… it makes you love the flaws themselves.

    Hope, you are deep. Someone recently tried to introduce Roissy’s blog to Larry Auster, with the argument that there is a lot of interesting commentary here on the state of contemporary sexual morals and practices.

    Auster’s reaction — I’m paraphrasing — “I will strike down upon thee with great vengance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison, and destroy my sensibilities, and those of my readers. Plus, Roissy is a whoremonger withnothing useful to contribute.”

    Auster’s blog is a national treasure, but I think he was off on this one. Perhaps his interlocutor should have directed him to some of your comments. He may have reacted differently.

    A return to shame, social constrictions and more equitable / harsh on women divorce laws would help marriages, but once people get a taste of freedom, they will raise a tremendous hue and cry over losing its loss

    Not necessarily. People will tolerate a gradual losses of freedom. They do so in the EU, and we do, to a lesser extent, in the United States.

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  76. on September 10, 2008 at 12:08 pm Patrick Bateman

    Geez, please tell me you don’t have something as cliched as a madonna-whore complex. If so, prepare for a life of misery, compartmentalizing whores and “good girls” is hands-down the worst complex for a man to deal with in my opinion.

    An ideal world would be full of Gingers just waiting to open their mouths and catch a load of my premium blend, while Mary Anne is in the kitchen back home cooking me a nice steak and some cornbread to replenish the energy I spent fucking Ginger. I understand that most girls in the real world are somewhere between Mary Anne and Ginger, but that doesn’t change the ideal. My girlfriend is closer to Mary Anne, but I treat the rest like Ginger.

    @DA
    Of course, the problem is that in long term, if you’re not going to do filthy things to your wife, you’ll find yourself doing it to another woman. After a while, you’ll begin to question why you keep your wife around when she’s not of much use and there are no kids…

    There will be many kids. Remember that your preferences are a few standard deviations from the male mean. For me, a quality wife is more useful than a dozen sluts with fake nails and tits.

    @Chic Noir

    I don’t have enough experience with black women to say if Roissy is right, but most white women definitely don’t place looks at #1 or #2. Personality, status, and demeanor all count for much more.

    Where do you stand on Clive Owen vs. Leonardo Di Caprio?

    Di Caprio would probably win on an objective measure of facial symmetry, but I think many women would pick Owen based on masculinity. But Owen has a busted grill.

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  77. “There are certainly advocates of “day game”
    That’s the best way to get teen girls, by the way. Usually after class,when school is out. Just hang around where teen girls congregate, under a believable pretext.

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  78. on September 10, 2008 at 1:46 pm Usually Lurking

    That’s the best way to get teen girls, by the way. Usually after class,when school is out. Just hang around where teen girls congregate, under a believable pretext.

    That is awesomely fucked up.

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  79. But ot works.

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  80. on September 10, 2008 at 3:01 pm Usually Lurking

    But ot works.

    I said ot was awesome.

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  81. 30yo handsome CEO>30yo good looking, sporty, well paid computer nerd>30yo bartender>eternal virginity>60yo CEO>45yo fat computer nerd> Fat old broke guy

    Nerdy guys can be cute!

    Hot loving sex > love without sex>abstinence> hot sex without love> bad sex

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  82. An ideal world would be full of Gingers just waiting to open their mouths and catch a load of my premium blend, while Mary Anne is in the kitchen back home cooking me a nice steak and some cornbread to replenish the energy I spent fucking Ginger. I understand that most girls in the real world are somewhere between Mary Anne and Ginger, but that doesn’t change the ideal. My girlfriend is closer to Mary Anne, but I treat the rest like Ginger.

    Yes, and while you’re not looking you’ll find out some cad has been treating your Madonna Mary Ann like Ginger the whore behind your back. I’m sure the Madonna-Whore complex has led to more cuckolding than any other single factor combined. People put their “good girl” on a pedestal, are afraid to do anything kinky with her for fear of defiling her or making her “filthy,” which ends up boring her and just leaves her open to swept off her feet by some cad willing to bang her like a beast and give her a sense of adventure. History’s biggest rakes like Casanova were able to succeed in defiling so many men’s “respectable” wives primarily because their husbands bought into this good girl, bad girl Madonna/Whore thing, which (1) caused them to let their guards down too much because they were overconfident about their wife’s purity and (2) created a profound boredom in the woman, making her into a bird in a gilded cage vulnerable to the promises of sexual abandon and romantic adventure the rake provides.

    I agree with Whiskey’s premise that a “good girl” with self-respect is more worthy than a high maintenance slut, but you still have to be willing to treat even a good girl like a whore once in a while to keep her from getting bored. Anyone who really buys the idea that their “good girl” truly has no whore in her is usually a guy that was raised to revere his mom way too much, which caused him to want to recreate her in his wife. Since he naively believes his mom to be some unerotic saint who never had a whorish thought in her life and mainly had sex to procreate and please her husband, he foolishly tries to recreate this imaginary ideal in his wife, who encourages this saintly myth because she knows that’s how to get him to marry her. But chances are it wasn’t 100% true in your mom’s case and it’s not 100% true in your good girl’s case. It’s a cliched cycle that’s been repeating itself since the beginning of time. And guys with game, the rakes of the world who understand how women really think, exploit this blind side in most men to cuckold the hell out of them.

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  83. @11

    For those of us with wealth — you do the model. Period. End of story. We can always go get Ginger later if the model turns out to be a time/$ waster.

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  84. T theRawness 83–

    I agree with Whiskey’s premise that a “good girl” with self-respect is more worthy than a high maintenance slut, but you still have to be willing to treat even a good girl like a whore once in a while to keep her from getting bored. Anyone who really buys the idea that their “good girl” truly has no whore in her is usually a guy that was raised to revere his mom way too much, which caused him to want to recreate her in his wife. Since he naively believes his mom to be some unerotic saint who never had a whorish thought in her life and mainly had sex to procreate and please her husband, he foolishly tries to recreate this imaginary ideal in his wife, who encourages this saintly myth because she knows that’s how to get him to marry her. But chances are it wasn’t 100% true in your mom’s case and it’s not 100% true in your good girl’s case.

    I could not agree more.

    Actually T that entire comment is shear absolute brilliance. Just nails it and damn eloquently too.

    Only thing I’d add is that even if the girl you get into a LTR/marriage with is say 80% madonna / 20% whore by whatever metric, your job is to treat her as much like a whore in the bedroom and bent over the living room couch as you can, and more than rarely. As much as she’s hungry for. Well, not that either. Wanting it more than getting but lots of both.

    If she doesn’t like nasty talk work her into it. For one thing there’s a good chance she DOES like nasty talk, or has sometimes in her past when she “slipped up and went whore”. She just either 1) doesn’t want nasty talk from the man who’s supposed to LOVE her; or 2) she’s afraid if she shows you how much she likes it, you’ll love fucking her but also not value her and leave her at the first good opportunity.

    Actually it’s generally a combo of 1 and 2 for her, which is her good guy / stud thinking parallel to your madonna /whore mindset. You want to be both to her and make her both to you.

    All the pull of feminist culture is to tell men certainly in relatioships that they have to be good guys and essentially follow their wives and even more it tells women they have every right to require that. You know like all American sitcoms, romantic comedy and other entertainment have this message. It’s death to the stud side of you to go there all the way.

    There are two problems with going with the “whore” type girl. One is that she is probably so jaded and so experienced that even if you’re alpha you aren’t going to be her best lover at least how she remembers it (situations matter huge, and in one offs or in very str’s they can be distorted from how it would be over a bit of time) or even in her top x many. The other is that she’s simply disposed to value sex without love or even strong affectionate feelings as what she’s after sex wise. So if things slow down sex wise in a marriage, you know where she’ll be. When an attractive woman wants just sex, they can find it the same day from and attractive man without breaking a sweat.

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  85. 83 the T Man:

    Anyone who really buys the idea that their “good girl” truly has no whore in her is usually a guy that was raised to revere his mom way too much, which caused him to want to recreate her in his wife.

    I agree but I’m left contemplating the specifics of how a new mother might conduct herself in relationship to her child if her goal is to avoid all the common pathological pitfalls of most dysfunctional parents. It seems there might be a problem in aspiring to teach respect and Goodness and Purity(tm) without falling prey to the condition you outlined above. A bit of a tightrope.

    Perhaps some parents here could chime in. Do we have any?

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  86. on September 10, 2008 at 11:39 pm Patrick Bateman

    @T

    I put no woman on a pedestal. When I fuck my girl, I go cave man, but the really depraved stuff that girls can be convinced to do but don’t really desire, I save that for the Gingers. I slap, choke, pull hair, etc with my girl, but Ginger is giving me a blumpkin if she can bear it.

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  87. That’s the best way to get teen girls, by the way. Usually after class,when school is out.

    That’s why my high school had security guards and NYPD to chase away questionable men who loitered around the property.

    People put their “good girl” on a pedestal, are afraid to do anything kinky with her for fear of defiling her or making her “filthy,”

    While some would express guilt and regret in making her perform “filthy” acts (since they presume she’d never do them of her own volition), some are utterly clueless as to their wife’s desire for such acts, and in the case of some men, they find from previous experience that engaging in such acts only leads to discovering that the females hate such acts, and they’re inhibited from trying with this current partner. In a few limited cases, the man just can’t simply find his wife as a sexual object. He may have had sex with her, but only due to placate her desires, not his, while his desires may lurk in hypersexualized women like porn stars and such. In other words, her cute appearance just doesn’t turn him on in that way.

    Hell, I’ll admit, there are women that I’d *marry*, but not have sex with at all.

    There are two problems with going with the “whore” type girl.

    One could avoid the problem by simply enjoying the sex in the moment and not concentrating on rank vis à vis other men, and by either opting for an open marriage or not entering marriage in the first place.

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  88. I slap, choke, pull hair, etc with my girl,

    I could never do those things to any female partner since they reek of violence. Plus, just picturing myself doing these things is enough to rattle the ghetto nigger/white trash alarm in my head and to create nightmares when I sleep due to excessive porn usage.

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  89. Patrick Bateman 87-

    but the really depraved stuff that girls can be convinced to do but don’t really desire,

    Curious, like what?

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  90. “That’s why my high school had security guards and NYPD to chase away questionable men who loitered around the property.”

    I don’t think you understood what I meant. I was refering to McDonalds, music stores (buy your music there) and so on.

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  91. DA 89 —

    I could never do those things to any female partner since they reek of violence. Plus, just picturing myself doing these things is enough to rattle the ghetto nigger/white trash alarm in my head and to create nightmares when I sleep due to excessive porn usage.

    That is so revealing.

    You SO much have to get over that DA. I’m not going to get into all of it. It would take too much energy. You aren’t about to be that thug.

    But SOME of that thug is exactly what white girls like black guys for. And some other things like being bad themselves in breaking still sorta taboos though supposedly not.

    But you combine that with expert p*ssylickin and caring about gettin her off. But her too rather than her only.

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  92. on September 11, 2008 at 2:01 am random passerby

    Tupac Chopra:
    beta male > omega male > David Alexander > child molester > pond scum > my latest turd > random passerby

    Interesting. I’m worse than a child molester because I’m denouncing “the game” as bullshit?

    T.:
    People put their “good girl” on a pedestal, are afraid to do anything kinky with her for fear of defiling her or making her “filthy,” which ends up boring her and just leaves her open to swept off her feet by some cad willing to bang her like a beast and give her a sense of adventure.

    The more I read blogs like this, the more convinced I become that solitude is the only option that makes any sense in this world.

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  93. on September 11, 2008 at 2:18 am random passerby

    Oh great, comment moderation has been turned on. Looks like that’s my cue to leave this shithole.

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  94. Patrick: I don’t agree with Roissy’s logic on why some blk women prefer looks. I will tell you this, most women don’t want to marry a man they don’t like looking at or are to embarrased to show to their friends.

    Where do you stand on Clive Owen vs. Leonardo Di Caprio

    Neither of the two are very goodlooking to me. I would say that both are fair.
    Temper aside, Christen Bayo would blow the two of them out of the water.Some women would pic Di Caprio because he has/had a sweet look or because he has been with a lot of women. In Children of Men, Owen’s character came across as a very nice man.

    I like (a young)Russel Wong, Rain, Asafa Powell.

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  95. random passerby
    Oh great, comment moderation has been turned on. Looks like that’s my cue to leave this shithole

    if you post a lot of comments in a short amount of time, that happens. I think its to prevent spam.

    Where is gunslierri(tp)? He has not made an apperence in a very long time ?

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  96. if you post a lot of comments in a short amount of time, that happens. I think its to prevent spam.

    I think putting links in your post activates it too.

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  97. PA said:A return to shame, social constrictions and more equitable / harsh on women divorce laws would help marriages, but once people get a taste of freedom, they will raise a tremendous hue and cry over losing its loss

    Not necessarily. People will tolerate a gradual losses of freedom. They do so in the EU, and we do, to a lesser extent, in the United States.

    I agree

    Kevin
    @41 Chic Noir

    You mean it?

    Ok but don’t laugh: Jennifer Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sofia Coppola.

    Kevin I would never laugh at someone’s taste. I think the men here would vouch for me, when I say I am very sweet.

    Cindy Crawford- Is without a doubt one of the best-looking women to ever walk the planet.

    Sofia Coppola- Is interesting. She has the type of face that you can never get tired of looking at. The French have a name for this sort of woman. Since you like Sofia, what do you think about Lou Dillion or Anouck Lapree(tp)?

    Jennifer Aniston-Is a generic beauty along with Jessica Alba that a lot of men come up with. Jennifer reminds me of any girl I see at the mall. I though Courtney Cox was the best looking of the three from Friends.
    Can I ask what you like about Jennifer Aniston that makes her one of your top three? Without a doubt, she has a very very nice body. She has managed to keep the weight off for a very long time; she deserves a clap for that alone.

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  98. @t-I think your right T.

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  99. That is so revealing.

    The quest to be “blanc” and proper has its sacrifices. If it means turning away hot white women looking for a thug to satisfy their sexual urges, it’s well worth the benefit of being accepted by the wider society. I don’t want to be seen as a thug or some sexual fantasy for a bored daddy’s girl from the suburbs. I want somebody to like me for who I am as a person and that includes my snotty, elitist oreo attitude and my nerd traits and hobbies like railfanning and photography.

    Besides, as I pointed out, the sexually violent acts just remind me of the ugly, boorish trash that are employed as male talent in porn films. The last thing that I want is to emulate their sub-prole traits that put them at the receiving end of insults from the middle and upper classes.

    Admittedly, this does remind me of how the Canadian mistress was shocked at my so-called “aggressiveness” when we had sex…

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  100. Why not do kinky stuff with your good girl wife? The kinky stuff you both like. Then everyone is happy.

    The ability to keep your skirt down to casual sex and the desire for kinky, loving sex are not mutually exclusive.

    Or do you need to see your wife as a totally sexless creature in order to love and respect her?

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  101. DA 101–

    If it means turning away hot white women looking for a thug to satisfy their sexual urges, it’s well worth the benefit of being accepted by the wider society.

    Crimy david. You know me well enough by now to know I’d never advocate you’re being a real thug in life. The girl you’re doing would sure as hell know too. I made that plenty clear in the comment you’re responding to.

    But you can be one, or sorta, in the bedroom boy. you can work that image. Mild mannered DA by day, black thug DA behind closed doors. Or whatever. You’re never going to really pull of the thug thing in bed david at least not with major changes going on, but it’s ridiculous for you to worry about having to hold yourself BACK from going there too much. Just absurd.

    Are you feeling me bro? (I guess that should be my black brother, but I can’t really say that now can I?) [grin]

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  102. But you can be one, or sorta, in the bedroom boy. you can work that image. Mild mannered DA by day, black thug DA behind closed doors.

    I can’t even think of myself even doing that behind closed doors in private. The entire idea of simply emulating the thug even in private for sex is just sickening. The mere thought of aping such a pathetic creature induces headaches. It just hurts.

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  103. “Jennifer Aniston-Is a generic beauty along with Jessica Alba that a lot of men come up with”

    Jennifer Aniston’s father is ethnically Greek (born on Crete). The best guess of her mother’s ancestry would be English (family name Dow) but it’s very likely that there has been some degree of admixture from other ethnicities on the maternal side of her family tree.

    So, in JA we have a Greek-English mongrel. 😉 Women with a face shaped like hers are not very common in Finland or among ethnic Estonians in Estonia (Estonia has a large Russian population). I don’t see her as a top notch beauty.

    It is really difficult for me to name the top three best-looking female celebrities. There are so many of them and range of beauty among young or youngish actresses or other female celebrities know for their good looks is vastly recuded compared to the general population.

    I can only say that hair color or eye color play no part whatsoever in my opinion on female looks. Bone structure, body fat distribution, muscle development and tone, skin condition, facial features (such as the fullness of lips, the distance between the eyes and their size, chin size and shape, the prominence of cheekbones etc.), hair length and condition are what matters. Breast size is not nearly as important as the their shape. Smallish but perky and symmetrical pairs of breats are much more attractive than large sagging asymmetrical ones.

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  104. ” I though Courtney Cox was the best looking of the three from Friends.”

    I most fully agree.

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  105. In the early seasons, all three were cute.

    For some stange reason, Phoebe hit the wall big time and was rather unattractive during most of the series. Dumpy and with a ponytail. Her acting was also shrill and grating. Interestingly, she looked better after the servies were over.

    Both Minica and Rachel (Cox and Anniston) looked good throughout the series, although in the latter seasons, both overdid it at the gym, with those Madonna-like veiny, sinewy bone-arms. I liked Courtney Cox overall the most (my type is the slender, A or B cup brunette)

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  106. 93 random passerby:

    Interesting. I’m worse than a child molester because I’m denouncing “the game” as bullshit?

    Mmmm…more likely because you take everything too seriously.

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  107. @PA- Well, you know all three of the women were in their 30s by the time the show ended. Don’t forget that Lisa Kudroe had the fairest skin & two children so you woud expect her to age just a little faster. I like that Kudroe, didn’t fall for the Hollwood dieting and plastic surgery thought.

    Work with what you got but don’t go overboard.

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  108. Marku, I may add Coutney Cox to my all time top 20 list but I didn’t find her so good looking with short hair. She looked like Rob Lowe when she had very short hair in that Springstein video.

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  109. In the early seasons, all three were cute.

    IMHO, none of them were cute. They were much to “average” looking for my tastes. Of the three, only Jennifer Aniston was remotely attractive.

    BTW, regarding the Madonna versus Whore concept, there’s a cute looking white girl at work who wears high heels and has nails. Yet, somehow, the entire concept of fucking her in an aggressive manner seems comedic…

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  110. “Marku, I may add Coutney Cox to my all time top 20 list but I didn’t find her so good looking with short hair. She looked like Rob Lowe when she had very short hair in that Springstein video.”

    I agree. Long hair looks much better on her. But hair length is a very malleable trait. So, when I evaluate a woman’s beauty, I imagine her having the type hair most suitable for her.

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  111. DA, are you kidding??? Almost everyone that I know agrees that Courtney Cox is very pretty. Maybe the blue blk hair and blue eyes do it for me. It’s the one color combination that seems to equal a good looking person hands down. I have yet to see an unattractive person with blk hair and blue eyes.

    Markku- Some women can change hair lengths or colors and look equally stunning in each transformation.

    I think Lindsey Lohan can wear any hair color and look good but red is my preference. To many bottle blondes in Hollywood anyway.

    To a lesser degree, Beyonce can play around with hair color too.

    Haile Berry looks good with long or short hair.

    Katherine Heigel, is not a natural blond and I don’t need to see her roots to know that. The color she has on the show just clashes with her skin and features b/n.

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  112. shes sexy wish i could do sex with her

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  113. Indirect game >= direct game ?!

    I dont get that, most of your game is more or less direct from what I read so far.

    for me indirect is about concealing your intentions/beating around the bush and pretending not to be interested in sex when deep down you are because you are afraid that she will be “scared” or “reject” you .

    being direct means letting her know in the short run about your sexual desires and interests in an upfront, straightforward most importantly unapologetic manner.

    Rejection is winwin

    a)you dont waste time and energy and dont get played when you “force” women to choose to reciprocate or not (i.e. fuck or walk)

    b)if she was pretending not to be interested but deep down she was (i.e. she just wanted to appear not desperate or she wanted to see if you were gonna offer her some incentives) then when she seeks you out (and if you were bold and provocative in your approach, there are some chances that she will) you will clearly have the upper hand . (this happened to me more than 3 times)

    check out Modeone, you gotta dedicate a post to it (read the ebook, I ll email to you)

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  114. Go and find out what the #1 female sex fantasy is, then you will have a much better understanding of female sexuality.

    the “real man” is the guy that deals with them roughly and puts the woman beneath him, while the “nice guy” deals with her softly and puts the woman above him. Its a universal effect, you cannot exclude the bedroom.

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  115. […] I concluded is that above all, Lady Gaga is really good at being famous. As a culture, we are attracted to fame, and there is something about her that is especially enlightening for many people. What is […]

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  116. […] beta-paranoiac reaction to these allegations should serve as a reminder that while fame may trump game in terms of making panties moist, it doesn’t alter a man’s core character if he doesn’t already have what it […]

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  117. me calling you a retard > your list

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  118. preetty girls as like good sounds

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  119. Bartender in his 20’s with game > average guy with game.

    From personal experience, it’s true. Before I started bartending, I’d never gotten a number just handed to me out of the blue, some amount of game was required before hand. Now, I get them every weekend =).

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