The Tiger Woods Effect

It’s been said that when Tiger Woods is dominating on the fairway his opponents lose their composure and begin piling up the bogies. An analogy could be made to relationships. The greater the dating market value disparity between two people the more likely the partner with less power will lose composure at the slightest threat of loss. Another way of saying this: The partner with less hand is more emotionally invested in the relationship.

Tiger Woods may be a goofy looking guy but have no doubt — millions of hot women the world over would love to bang him. This means whichever woman lucks out in the marital lotto with Tiger is automatically the partner with zero emotional hand. (Financial hand is another matter. Thanks to insane anti-male divorce laws a world-beating alpha male like Tiger Woods can be brought to his knees by a single throwaway lantern-jawed blonde like Elin Nordegren.) Nordegren has little hand being married to Tiger and her hindbrain knows this, which is why she went psycho on him when she presumably suspected him of cheating and chased him down with the long iron.

The Tiger Woods Effect works in either direction. Look back on your own dating career. With which women did you behave in the most wretchedly beta manner? The hot ones, right? It’s usually the women who are relatively significantly higher in dating market value who will cause a man to forget everything he’s learned about women and throw alpha to the wind as he begs pleads and cajoles her for more love. Let’s say you are a 6 and your girlfriend is a 9. How long do you think it’s going to be before you’re writing her sappy poems and buying her flowers? Two dates?

Similarly, if you’re a girl who’s dating Tiger Woods and you catch him throwing a flirty glance at a waitress, you might do something crazy like this. (Thanks to Justin for the pointer. My readers always come through with great links.)

I believe it’s a good idea for men to get practice dominating a woman so fully she loses all dignity around him. Date at least one woman who is lower than you in dating market value and watch with wonder how little effort you have to put into the relationship. This will instill you with the right attitudes to have with the hotter women you truly wish to date — namely, aloofness, carelessness and selfishness.





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  1. He should not have married her… marriage is a bad deal for men, rich or poor.

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  2. So you think Tiger is a real, rather than paper, alpha?

    I can’t imagine any alpha guy taking that kind of shit and then publicly emasculating himself to cover it up.

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  3. If Tiger Woods isn’t a real alpha then we are setting the bar way too high.

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  4. What would a real alpha do Krauser? Blab about it to the press and Oprah like a sap? I think keeping himself and his wife from the media was pretty alpha actually. As for why he stayed with her, we don’t know the full story or how much longer their marriage will last.

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  5. Elin Nordgren’s mother is a former migration and asylum policy minister of Sweden. This should tell you all you need to know about that family.

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  6. I posit that a real alpha:

    – doesn’t marry a gold-digging skank
    – can keep her on the leash so she doesn’t ever contemplate pulling a stunt like this
    – would’ve slapped her into silence once she did start the violence
    – persuades the police to cool her off in the cells for the night
    – does not eat shit about it in front of the cameras

    At no point am I making out like I’m more alpha than Tiger. But a billionare, good looking, top sportsman simply should never be taking that kind of shit from a woman.

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  7. guys that’s not the point; roissy’s not talking about Woods character, but about his status;he’s famous and he’s loaded, he can get any girl he wants without much game. And his wife knows that, which made her crazy.

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  8. Rachel Uchitel claims she has been sleeping with Tiger Woods. It’s the first affair with a famous person she’s owned up to. Here’s a pic of the sweet thing….

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  9. on November 30, 2009 at 9:49 am unlearning genius

    It is a damn shame … damn shame!

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  10. i think is has social uber-alpha status as an international sports superstar, but his attitudes and behavior seem not to have kept up. So his thinking is out of synch with his status.

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  11. In most marriages, the marital power shifts to the wife at the time of the first baby birth. She gently uses the needs of the baby to push her own agenda. When the father cedes too much baby-centric care and decision making, he loses control and even relevance.

    I suspect Tiger, being gone lots, no longer has any voice at home. He may not understand his babies and what they need. His toddler might regard him as a stranger when he returns home.

    Fathers can avoid this by staying involved with their babies care. With Daddy Power, they can push back against Mama Power. Young mothers love to complain about the disproportionate burden of care left to them by their absent husbands, but in reality, they love the upper hand it allows them.

    As an aside, note the different standards applied to a pretty celebrity wife, compared to a plain nobody wife, after inflicting facial and head trauma. Mrs. Plain Nobody likely would have been investigated, spent the night in jail, bailed out, and faced a judge. The babies may have been placed in temp. foster care. Elin was protected by men and women around her; even her husband will protect her from any consequences of her violence.

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  12. That XBOX video is fucking brutal. That guy looks like a pussy beta provider anyways, I bet she has some fucked up social tendencies (like that abysmal laugh) that keep her dating below her physical value. And as for Tiger, he’s just playing it cool right now, I’m sure he’ll come out of this bullshit with his dignity in tact.

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  13. Making a public scene does not strike me as being necessarily-alpha. Considering the current social climate, Woods’ response strikes me as the cautious but appropriate one.

    Speaking of media fallout re: celebrities, Adam Lambert struck me as being appropriately nonchalant about his performance at the AMAs. Which leads me to wonder about being alpha in the gay world, and some morbid curiousity re: gaming other men.

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  14. Does anyone know what happened to the couple in this clip?

    http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/02/28

    Its interesting how her behavior changes from being on stage and being around her family.

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  15. Woods has objective high status, hence is objectively an alpha.

    Whether his behavior here is consistent with that is debatable, but I suspect a good part of what is going on is that he does not want to (1) be portrayed as a guy who’s running away from getting beaten up by his bikini model wife and (2) go into details about his own affair. Neither of those makes him look good, ultimately, so I suspect the coverup is being done to protect himself more than his wife.

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  16. on November 30, 2009 at 10:27 am Ari HInkelberger

    I think lost in the mix is the low standards that Mr. Woods steeps to. This chick aint even that hot. I think its super beta to fly her ass to Melbourne to bang her.

    Dude tags some awful looking pussy. I think the real story is that Tiger probably went 20 years without getting any pussy and now over the last 8-10 years he has just been surrounded by it.

    No chance he can stay faithful. Just like Chris Rock said….”A man is only as faithful as his options.”

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  17. So true. So true.

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  18. In most marriages, the marital power shifts to the wife at the time of the first baby birth. She gently uses the needs of the baby to push her own agenda. When the father cedes too much baby-centric care and decision making, he loses control and even relevance.

    That’s quite true, and solid LTR game takes this heavily into account. Prior to having a kid, marriage is little different from having a girlfrined. But childbirth can change everything.

    Notice I said that childbirth “can change everything,” not “changes everything.” It is a woman’s instinct to convert the husband into a nest drone. Don’t fault her for it; it’s a natural thing she is unconcious of, like shit testing. And I saw this happened to a buddy whose wife made him into a complete slave.

    A few couples visited us a several weeks ago, and when evening came and I gleefully pulled out my top-shelf vodka and my custom shot glasses, she said: “[husband’s name] does not feel like drinking tonight; he now has a baby he’s responsible for.”

    I looked at him questioningly, and he looked away from me, forlorn. Two other dudes and I had fun without him.

    But it’s not difficult to avoid the fate of a nest-drone, provided your wife has had loving feelings for you up to then. Some tips:

    – do play a lot with the baby on your down time. Ideally you should want to do it; it’s your kid and your attitude should normally be that he or she is the most precious human being in the world.

    – assume traditional gender roles. Don’t change poopy diapers. Men have a natural, violent revulsion to poop, mothers don’t; she pushes the stroller, etc. Again, ideally, this shouldn’t be a negotiated or fought-over; a good mother and wife will want to do the feminine things for her baby.

    – With regards to the above, don’t swing in the opposite direction and neglect your responsibilities. Do help out and be involved. Remember that as a captain of this ship, you are ultimately responsible for its success.

    – Cultivate an understanding that a child will grow up psychologically healthy when he or she sees the mom respect the dad.

    – Remember, you are still the head of the family. You are the captain, your wife is the competent NCO. You are the commanding officer, she is in charge of the day-to-day things.

    – Let there be an understanding, that in the big scheme of things, you and your wife are still each others’ first responsibility. The child will fly away one day, and you will still have one another.

    – Having a child is really the greatest responsibility you can have. And the biggest joy that life can give you, if you forgive the sappy language. Thus, it’s up to you to step up. At the very least, you need to maintain your alphatude in marriage.

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  19. @PA
    Elin Nordgren’s mother is a former migration and asylum policy minister of Sweden. This should tell you all you need to know about that family.

    Ok, what exactly does this say about her family?

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  20. @Krauser
    I posit that a real alpha:

    – doesn’t marry a gold-digging skank

    I posit that Elin was no skank and that’s why Tiger married her. As far I knew, she was a nanny working for another golfer when she and tiger met.

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  21. …when Tiger Woods is dominating on the fairway his opponents lose their composure and begin piling up the bogies. An analogy could be made to relationships.

    The analogy is indeed a very good idea: making opponent-bitches lose composure is very Sun Tzu.

    In my book, though, Woods is not anointed with Alpha status merely for mastering a game. Plus, it’s fucking golf. A sissy game.

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  22. @Roissy
    Another way of saying this: The partner with less hand is more emotionally invested in the relationship.

    True.

    To say it another way, the person with the lowest self-esteem is more likely to make the greater emotional investment in the relationship and thus least likely to be able to walk away.

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  23. Jamila

    I posit that Elin was no skank and that’s why Tiger married her. As far I knew, she was a nanny working for another golfer when she and tiger met.

    its interesting: a black woman defending a black man whos into banging trophy white women. I wonder why black women always do that, in the end

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  24. Ok, what exactly does this say about her family?

    That her mother is to Population Peplacement as being a Nazi party official was to Hitler’s Germany and a Communist apparatchik to Stalin’s USSR.

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  25. on November 30, 2009 at 10:49 am Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

    What Woods should have said (presuming he was getting a little on the side) is: “So? If you don’t like it, you know where the door is.” Sounds like what he said was closer to “you don’t like it, I’m outta here.” Never, ever offer to get out of your own house, especially if it’s one you bought and paid for. She goes, not you.

    I’d find it pretty hard to imagine he didn’t have a pretty airtight pre-nup drawn up. Will she get child support in the event of a divorce? Well, duh. But if Tiger had a good lawyer, it’s not going to be that painful either.

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  26. The pre-nup would more likely be enforced with respect to pre-marital assets, not future earnings/alimony.

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  27. @Firepower

    its interesting: a black woman defending a black man whos into banging trophy white women. I wonder why black women always do that, in the end

    Only black women with low self-esteem or lack of options in men or “race first” types fear white women with black men.

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  28. Millions of whore wives commit audultery every day but I suspect Tiger will get raked over the coals should his infidelity be proven. In divorce proceedings he will pay out of the nose and let’s face it, prenups are a fucking joke these days.

    He’s an absolute dumbfuck for ever getting married in the first place. Had I been him and my psycho cunt wife attacked me with a golf club she’d be at room temperature right now. Tiger Woods: the new face of battered husband syndrome.

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  29. Tiger should not have married. Learn from Derek Jeter. No need for marriage.

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  30. If i was in Tigers position i would probably do the same thing. There is too much sponsorship money to be lost. So its to his wallet that he has to take the Beta L.

    Two options
    1. Huff and puff and lose tons of money
    2. Do what he is doing and keep those tons of money

    to me the choice is clear

    in a few weeks it will be swept under the rug.

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  31. Jamila

    Firepower

    its interesting: a black woman defending a black man whos into banging trophy white women. I wonder why black women always do that, in the end

    Only black women with low self-esteem or lack of options in men or “race first” types fear white women with black men.

    Its interesting that a black woman also fears white women. I was interested in why black women always resort to the endgame defense of The Black Man when he goes crazy for the white women. I guess race is thicker than water.

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  32. oh, and i’m not being mean. i just wanna know

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  33. et tu, FP? turning this into another race thread? puh-leeeezz…

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  34. What do people think about negotiating a pre-nup with the father instead of the bride to be? This came up last night and I’d appreciate comments.

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  35. Not going to be enforced in a court of equity (i.e., family court) unless the wife, who is bound to the contract, had full disclosure, full opportunity to negotiate and so on. That’s the trump card — family law courts are courts of equity, meaning that they care much less about enforcing agreements than they do about reaching a result that they think is “equitable”. We all know what that generally means.

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  36. @ novaseeker

    Interesting point. Presumably I could negotiate the outline with her father and then have both of us sign it with lawyers present on video camera, etc.?

    Or do you think even having her father involved – even though its by her and his wish – might void the whole thing?

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  37. Actually, Tiger’s playing it smart here.

    What’s in it for him to expose his wife? He appeases a bunch of guys who want to see him stand up for masculine values? Screw that.

    If he cheated, he stands to save tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars by giving his wife the “Kobe special” – a house on a finger. The mea culpa is a step in that direction.

    The most beta thing Tiger ever did was marry the broad in the first place; anything after that is inventory control.

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  38. Fathers can avoid this by staying involved with their babies care. With Daddy Power, they can push back against Mama Power. Young mothers love to complain about the disproportionate burden of care left to them by their absent husbands, but in reality, they love the upper hand it allows them.

    Sorry, but they have the upper hand no matter how much you do, because in their minds, you still do nothing, and can never do anything equivalent to carrying the kid for nine months and then pushing it out with blood, screaming and pain.

    There will be a constant struggle against what Talleyrand calls “perception bias” – i.e. her conviction, based on deep inner feeling, that she does everything and you do nothing.

    assume traditional gender roles. Don’t change poopy diapers. Men have a natural, violent revulsion to poop, mothers don’t; she pushes the stroller, etc. Again, ideally, this shouldn’t be a negotiated or fought-over; a good mother and wife will want to do the feminine things for her baby.

    Sorry, don’t agree. Men and women have exactly the same feelings about poop.

    For myself, I have no problem with my kids poop, and no problem at all changing diapers. (Naturally I still detest all other poop, including that of other people’s children, but it is true, as they say, that it is different when it is your kid.)

    Cultivate an understanding that a child will grow up psychologically healthy when he or she sees the mom respect the dad.

    – Remember, you are still the head of the family. You are the captain, your wife is the competent NCO. You are the commanding officer, she is in charge of the day-to-day things.

    Over the summer I visited my sister’s house, and at one point their six year old son screamed at his dad, “You are not the boss of me! Mommy is the boss in this house!” I felt bad for the poor fool, but hey, he puts up with it. I would have tanned his backside on the spot, but they are going with the dickless “no spanking” theory of childraising (which is mainly her idea, I am sure).

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  39. Ok i have to take the crazy bitches stand,
    really, what on earth should they do? Sit and smile? The guy is cheating, or play w.o.w non stop, we could either dump them or get annoyed, i don’t think showing some steam is so terrible, i would even like all the betas, that are happy with everything i do, show some guts, its all about in what you want, i prefer passion then lame.

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  40. Presumably I could negotiate the outline with her father and then have both of us sign it with lawyers present on video camera, etc.?

    Or do you think even having her father involved – even though its by her and his wish – might void the whole thing?

    @seeking alpha —

    That pretty much depends on the state — you’d have to check with a family lawyer about whether that procedure would help or harm you.

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  41. maurice

    et tu, FP?

    hey after 15 years hearing and reading non-stop in the media of the wonders, magnificence, justice, cuteness and barrier-breaking triumphs of…

    “America’s First Black African-American Golfer in The History of Medieval America!”

    *applause!*

    …who fucks and marries a hot blond Swedish swimsuit model, then steps out with another (but guido-ier) New Yawk hottie…I must admit to some curiosity.

    Then again – blame our ruthless host for naming a thread “Tiger Woods”

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  42. To me it seems like it comes down to abundance. If you know you can get other quality women, you will act very different like you always have the upper hand. To me, it seems like Tiger does not understand this concept when it comes to women. Maybe in other areas, but not with the women (looking at his brief dating history).

    In the book “How to make anyone fall in love with you” the author speaks of a similar phenomena; the higher the “value” difference between couples, the more likely it will end in a divorce. She basicly says that “dating out of your league” is going to result in a break up, because there is always one party who feels he/she needs to compensate to even out to a equilibrium.

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  43. biktopia

    Ok i have to take the crazy bitches stand,
    really, what on earth should they do? Sit and smile?

    its kind of gutsy and admirable of you, but expected of you to do just that.

    are you really saying you’d go all Elin on my ass with a golf club? i didnt even know they played that in Bulgaria.

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  44. Fir e lol.Well i dont know if the golf club and personal damage would be my thing but i have been a crazy bitch yes, i never did harm to goods or other poeple but yeah i have turned semi nuts, and wth, its life.

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  45. Shouldn’t this thread be called Tiger’s Wood ???? Too obvious????

    Anyway, Bikicske, the conventional wisdom here is that men get to cheat on girlfriends and wives as much as they want and that’s fine and dandy cause that’s the way menfolks is made.
    On the other hand, women cheating on boyfriends and husbands is the most evil thing in the universe and a crime against nature.

    No, it doesn’t make much sense (esp since there’s no way for guys to cheat a lot without cheating with some other guys’ girlfriend or wife) but most tenets of game don’t make much sense if you look at them under the harsh glare of ethics or logic.

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  46. actually, he’s half Thai, so he’s an Afro-Asian-American. And I kind of agree that golf is a pussy sport – actually, it’s kinda not even a sport at all. More like a game of skill, like bowling or darts. No athletic/aerobic ability required, only exceptional coordination.

    Tihs post and thread are also object lessons in the dangers of a trophy wife/golddigger type. G has a post on how he loves golddiggers, because they’re totally open and honest on what women are all about when they pursue the apex alphas. But it’s a bad road to go down.

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  47. biktopia

    Fir e lol.Well i dont know if the golf club and personal damage would be my thing

    i guess that means i’ll have to start likeing you again. any girl who hates golf and serves me homeade borscht in bed cant be all bad. i like tripe and pigsfeet too

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  48. Firepower

    oh, and i’m not being mean. i just wanna know

    No you’re not being mean, you’re being a retard. As usual.

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  49. Off-topic, but here is an excerpt from a 1939 article:

    “You see, no matter what else she may want, the average girl wants to make sure the man she marries is essentially stronger than she is. The need is based equally on the atmosphere she was brought up in, and her own, originally childish wish for “somebody to depend on.” But the only way a girl can be sure of a man’s strength is to test it, which she generally does by finding out just how much she can get away with. Paradoxically, the less she succeeds, the harder she tries; and yet if she really succeeds, she loses all interest in the man who has been proved a weakling. ”

    From “Should Wives be Spanked”

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  50. igen!
    I dont understand why woman have to be burned as a whitch for doing the same that males have done for long time.

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  51. I honestly don’t know why you hate Hate HATE me so, joey.

    Maybe it’s my success in life, business or women.
    Maybe it’s my kill-skill with words.
    Maybe it’s all the attention I get.
    Or, maybe it’s all of that.

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  52. on November 30, 2009 at 12:39 pm СОФИЯ/sofia

    What I find interesting is physical violence as a levelling ground for her, since as Roissy said, it would be hard to target him emotionally as having the upper hand in the relationship.

    Inteestingly though, the wife is more attractive than the woman he cheated with. That might have given her some leverage.

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  53. Joe, have you ever posted a comment that offered your insight, observation, or humor on any topic whatsoever?

    Or do you always just lurk quietly only to pop out like a scolding auntie wagging a finger in response to someone else’s comment, and only on the topic of race?

    Boring.

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  54. honestly don’t know why you hate Hate HATE me so, joey.

    Maybe it’s my success in life, business or women.
    Maybe it’s my kill-skill with words.
    Maybe it’s all the attention I get.
    Or, maybe it’s all of that.

    Because you’re blatantly race-baiting and fishing for an answer to confirm what you already believe and when you don’t get it, you twist the response to make it confirm what you already believe anyway. So don’t waste people’s time with stupid questions if you already have an answer in mind.

    I also can’t stand you because of stupid unfunny “joke” comments like your response I blockquoted above. You’re nowhere near as funny as you think you are, you’re annoying for an audience of one.

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  55. Joe, have you ever posted a comment that offered your insight, observation, or humor on any topic whatsoever?

    No. Take it or leave it.

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  56. That is why whether your a billionaire or not you better inform the woman before marriage what’s up with what you gonna do. Fuck sneaking around be blunt.

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  57. @joe – FP is consistently funny. if you don’t see that you’re humor-impaired.

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  58. We have confirmation joe was the anonymous commenter on the hill by the book supository.

    he he he

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  59. on November 30, 2009 at 1:50 pm Wendy Schwartz

    “A husband must earn this power”

    Which a husband does by convincing his wife to marry him and have sex with him; by supporting and protecting his family; and by exercising leadership on behalf of his family.

    Again, Gentlemen THIS type of thought is what makes women “bitter man-haters”. So thank Sabril there for that.

    You think that showing up and whipping out your cock is what makes you a husband deserving of respect??

    Have you lost your fucking mind? Ugh, you make me sick….more so than Roissy ever could, more than Doug……

    Because you are what makes good men, hard working men, and REAL family men look like idiots. You put all their hard work right down the drain.

    Any man can “get a chick to marry him and fuck her”. That isn’t deserving of respect nor is it the “qualification” for being an honorable husband.

    That is the same as saying that a “good quality wife” just has to spread her legs, pop out a kid, and that’s all she is required to do.

    If you were just a chauvinist or a woman-hater it would be one thing. But you are clearly a lazy, entitled, delusional, weak-willed, undisciplined drain on society and it’s men like you that give all men a bad name. You make Roissy look like a fucking Prince, you really do. And in this case I think I owe Roissy an apology for even using his name next to yours.

    You’re a fucking idiot.

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  60. The lesson from Roissy’s Tiger allegory is so fucking true.

    The only times I’ve gone beta-ish is when I’ve captured a 9 on three occasions. I eventually lost them, because ironically, I wanted to keep them so bad due to their beauty, I abandoned the behavior which drew them to me in the first place.

    The numerous and replaceable 7’s which revolve around me, who I dont care about, would just about do anything to secure my committement. I’m amazed at how poorly I treat them and they still come back. I almost feel guilty…almost. Then I just lose respect for them.

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  61. “because in their minds, you still do nothing”

    I really hate the phrase “inner game,” but I do think a husband needs to have faith in the fact that his opinion matters more than that of his wife.

    I’ve never been in the military, but I think the analogy is a good one. The husband should be the captain of the ship and the wife should be his senior lieutenant. He should listen to her and put value on her opinion, but at the end of the day he must make final decisions.

    JMHO.

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  62. I considered the possibility that Joe is a sock pupet for T/Ricky Raw; they sound similar.

    Except that RR is a good blogger and an insightful writer, while Joe’s sole function is to be a hall monitor. Maybe Ricky has his reason for this odd act. If my suspicion is correct.

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  63. @Firepower. Tiger Woods is half South Asian from his mom, and black, white and a little Native American from his dad. Try again.

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  64. Joe

    Because you’re blatantly race-baiting and fishing for an answer to confirm what you already believe and when you don’t get it, you twist the response to make it confirm what you already believe anyway.

    Well. You do make me sound
    pretty Alpha

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  65. FakeName

    @Firepower. Tiger Woods is half South Asian from his mom, and black, white and a little Native American from his dad. Try again

    OK.

    I’ll admit: Your recipe makes him almost nearly the Ideal 21st Century Western Americanexicangro man – if only he could erase that 1/240th part Bulgarian Gypsy-Vietnamese midget part in his genes.

    either that, or
    he’s almost isolated
    the secret of alchemy

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  66. Cliff Arroyo

    Shouldn’t this thread be called Tiger’s Wood ???? Too obvious????

    Anyway, Bikicske, the conventional wisdom here is that men get to cheat on girlfriends and wives as much as they want and that’s fine and dandy cause that’s the way menfolks is made.
    On the other hand, women cheating on boyfriends and husbands is the most evil thing in the universe and a crime against nature.

    No, it doesn’t make much sense (esp since there’s no way for guys to cheat a lot without cheating with some other guys’ girlfriend or wife) but most tenets of game don’t make much sense if you look at them under the harsh glare of ethics or logic.

    Of course it makes sense!

    A man cheats, he ain’t gonna wind up knocked up with another woman’s child.

    A women cheats, and she may wind up knocked up with another man’s child.

    Under the harsh light of biological logic, in any relationship, a man should care much, much more about his woman cheating than a woman should care about her man cheating.

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  67. TIGER IS MORE ASIAN THAN BLACK. IN FACT HE IS ONLY 25% BLACK.

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  68. @sabril,

    “because in their minds, you still do nothing”

    I really hate the phrase “inner game,” but I do think a husband needs to have faith in the fact that his opinion matters more than that of his wife.

    I’ve never been in the military, but I think the analogy is a good one. The husband should be the captain of the ship and the wife should be his senior lieutenant. He should listen to her and put value on her opinion, but at the end of the day he must make final decisions.

    A husband must earn this power, rather than simply using manipulation techniques . If he doesn’t earn it, he’ll get sidelined. Here’s my advice to Tiger, the absent father: treat their constipation, build the sandboxes, find new babysitters, get a swingset, bounce them to sleep, read stories to the toddler. There should be tangible evidence of his influence around the house, even when he’s gone.

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  69. @ Joe

    this is the monday following a US Holiday. People are supposed to be in a good mood. How was the holiday, Joey?

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  70. maurice

    @joe – FP is consistently funny. if you don’t see that you’re humor-impaired.

    PA

    I considered the possibility that Joe is a sock pupet for T/Ricky Raw; they sound similar.

    maurice and PA are consistently insightful, prescient and right in all of their postings.

    Except that joey is Obsidian’s wheelchair-bound little brother wearing a Sped helmet, covered in United Way stickers.

    This is your only error.

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  71. I posit that a real alpha:

    – doesn’t marry a gold-digging skank
    – can keep her on the leash so she doesn’t ever contemplate pulling a stunt like this
    – would’ve slapped her into silence once she did start the violence
    – persuades the police to cool her off in the cells for the night
    – does not eat shit about it in front of the cameras

    this is pedestalization of the alpha male. given the circunstances, such a list would define as beta any man below Silvio Berlusconi in the pecking order

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  72. You have to take Tiger in context to see how this situation came about. Tiger is simply a late blooming Kobe Bryant. And by late blooming I mean early 30’s rather than early 20’s. Tiger was winning Masters before he’d even heard the name Elin Nordegren. He got married young to a genetic celebrity, and no doubt his notoriously private demeanor is the result of a lot of this. I imagine a guy of his status doesn’t take advice very well, even if it ever is given in ernest.

    The world is Tiger’s oyster, in every aspect but one; a marriage committed to in his youth. In previous threads I’ve commented that there is nothing more simultaneously frightening and arousing as man who is aware of, and acknowledges his own worth. Often times it’s just this anxiety that drives women to ridicule masculinity, and sometimes resort to violence (or vandalism). When this game is played on the highest level – such as Tiger’s – you can expect commensurate degree of reaction. In the decade Tiger’s spent from 23 to 33 he’s become much more aware of his own value and the effect it has on others (especially women).

    The Cardinal Rule of Relationships: In an relationship, whether personal, romantic, familial, or financial, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

    Kobe and Tiger are both beta males. Their histories, personal decisions, behaviors and mental schemas bear this out. Wealth, status, privilege, etc. are no insulation from a beta mindset. This is what is particularly frustrating for guys who lack the same stature; we wonder how guys so lucky to have it all could be so stupid. They’re not particularly stupid, it’s just that this is how pervasive a feminized mental conditioning has become; that even the most rich and influential are still subject to it.

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  73. “Of course it makes sense!
    A man cheats, he ain’t gonna wind up knocked up with another woman’s child.
    A women cheats, and she may wind up knocked up with another man’s child.”

    So what you’re saying is that if a woman can’t get pregnant, it’s okay for her to cheat?

    What about the man who knocks up some other man’s wife or girlfriend? I find it hard to believe that no commenter here has done that.

    What about a married man who cheats with a married woman and impregnates her. Who’s responsible and who should suffer what consequences?

    If a man doesnt’ want his wife/girlfriend to cheat then that’s just all the more reason for him to set a good example and not go the usual, boring ‘do as I say…..’ routine.

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  74. assume traditional gender roles. Don’t change poopy diapers. Men have a natural, violent revulsion to poop, mothers don’t; she pushes the stroller, etc. Again, ideally, this shouldn’t be a negotiated or fought-over; a good mother and wife will want to do the feminine things for her baby.

    But what if she does decide to negotiate or fight over it? Is there an accurate way of knowing in advance how to choose a woman who will not do that? If not, what do you need to do to gain back the value you lose by engaging in that fight?

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  75. The husband should be the captain of the ship and the wife should be his senior lieutenant

    I wrote “NCO” (same thing as a sergeant or a sergeant-major), not a lieutenant. Yes, I’m splitting hairs, but it is a meaningful distinction.

    A senior lieutentant (1LT) is a captain’s direct subordinate in the army; one rank below CPT, in fact. They are both officers. While an NCO is something a little different.

    NCOs are on the enlisted rank scale, not on officers’. So while a captain is a lieutenant’s superior in every possible way, he has a more complementary relationship with an NCO, while still ultimately being his superior.

    The reason for the distinction is to stress that a husband is not his wife’s absolute superior, like a CPT is an LT’s. The captain is the overall commanding officer, who trusts the NCO do run things competently and with a great deal of earned autonomy.

    This will make more sense to people who have been in teh Army, so take it for what it’s worth.

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  76. As an aside, note the different standards applied to a pretty celebrity wife, compared to a plain nobody wife

    Sailer´s iron law of female reporting anyone??

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  77. Rollo Tomassi

    Kobe and Tiger are both beta males…Wealth, status, privilege, etc. are no insulation from a beta mindset.

    Yep.
    Earning massive bucks for mastering a frivolous sport because your genetics favor you is even less qualification for being an alpha than earning wealth through the more apropos mercantile competition.

    Drug dealers, pimps and attorneys have more Alpha cred.

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  78. Kobe and Tiger are both beta males

    while I disagree with you about Tiger and Kobe, I can see your point.

    I would say that, from my personal experience, rich men greatly outnumber alpha men. Money is much, much, muuch easier to get than women

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  79. My first paragraph above was a quote from anony. I meant to blockquote it but I forgot that on WordPress you need to spell out “blockquote” rather than just “quote.”

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  80. @ PA

    Good distinction.

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  81. “A husband must earn this power”

    Which a husband does by convincing his wife to marry him and have sex with him; by supporting and protecting his family; and by exercising leadership on behalf of his family.

    “rather than simply using manipulation techniques ”

    I’m not sure what you mean by “manipulation techniques.” A leader must exercise leadership. A lot of people are under the impression that leadership means kicking back and ordering other people to do all the work.

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  82. But what if she does decide to negotiate or fight over it?

    A good part of harmonious parenthood is preselection of a wife who is feminine, loves kids, isn’t a ballbuster, and so on.

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  83. Inteestingly though, the wife is more attractive than the woman he cheated with. That might have given her some leverage.

    If you own a Maserati that would never go faster than 20 mph, a used Corvette that’ll do 120 mph will always be a more enjoyable ride.

    Appearance is often trumped by performance.

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  84. “This will make more sense to people who have been in teh Army, so take it for what it’s worth.”

    I’ve never been in the military so I will take your word for it.

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  85. Rollo
    Maybe he couldnt handle the porsche 911 gt3 rs, its not the matter of the car that does bad, its about the driver,,

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  86. Since this is a lot of fun, here is a further exposition of the military analogy for marriage:

    The man is the commanding officer. Captain, General, what will you. The ultimate decision maker, the ultimate point of responsibility for any failure and success.

    The wife is his sergeant-major. In practice, answering only to him, and running the day-to-day business of the unit, attending to the well being of the troops and ensuring that the mission is successful.

    His sons are the young puke, newly-commissioned, don’t-know-shit-yet lieutenants. One day they too will grow up to be captains, but for now, they observe, practice, and learn. And say “Yes Sir” to the captain. Though technically they outrank the mom (the NCO/sergeant-major), may God help them if the captain finds out they disrespected the NCO.

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  87. The best subjective description of a good NCO in relation to the Captain is a “trusted counselor and confidant.”

    If you don’t respect your girl’s judgment and moral qualities, don’t marry her.

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  88. Cliff Arroyo

    “Of course it makes sense!
    A man cheats, he ain’t gonna wind up knocked up with another woman’s child.
    A women cheats, and she may wind up knocked up with another man’s child.”

    So what you’re saying is that if a woman can’t get pregnant, it’s okay for her to cheat?

    Our minds are shaped by the simple fact that women have exactly one womb and men have basically infinite amounts of sperm.

    A woman’s urges when it comes to sex are to have the right sperm swimming towards her eggs.

    A guy just wants his sperm swimming towards some egg.

    For a woman to cheat and hide it means that she’s checked out and either will leave the guy or is going to treat him as a source of food for some other guy’s kid. For a man to cheat it just means that he’s got options and isn’t worried about the resources needed to support the other woman and any bastards that she produces (either because some other guy is supporting them, because he’s so rich that he doesn’t mind or because he’s just a low investment parent (in which case his wife didn’t choose too well to begin with)).

    Men and women are different. Duh.

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  89. Great analogy PA.

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  90. The next time Tiger has a conversation with his wife, it should be with the back of his hand.

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  91. So what you’re saying is that if a woman can’t get pregnant, it’s okay for her to cheat?

    Strictly from the standpoint of biological logic, the man should not care if his wife cheats if she can’t get pregnant. Of course, if “can’t get pregnant” is the result of her choice (i.e. birth control) then her man should very much care if she cheats, because she could at any time undo that choice. If she can’t get pregnant because she’s sterile, he should dump her and get a fertile woman.

    What about the man who knocks up some other man’s wife or girlfriend? I find it hard to believe that no commenter here has done that.

    What about it? Strictly from the standpoint of biological logic, that is her problem and the cuckold’s, not the biological father’s. (Legally, quite another matter, of course.) The wife of the man who gave the seed should not care, as a matter of biological logic, that he spread his seed elsewhere, because he is wasting another woman’s and another man’s resources, not hers.

    What about a married man who cheats with a married woman and impregnates her. Who’s responsible and who should suffer what consequences?

    From the standpoint of biological logic, this is the same situation as above. The wife of the man who did it should not care. The husband of the wife who is knocked up should care a lot.

    If a man doesnt’ want his wife/girlfriend to cheat then that’s just all the more reason for him to set a good example and not go the usual, boring ‘do as I say…..’ routine.

    Since men and women are not the same biologically, the idea that they should be treated the same from a moral or ethical standpoint is untenable.

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  92. The best beta escape for Tiggy is the Kobe-at-the-buzzer shot big rock ring ploy so he doesn’t lose his ass in a ‘Sir’ Paul divorce.

    It works. It’s scientific. the results are replicable.

    All she wants to be reassured of is the continuation of:
    a steady stream of country club, red-carpet attention,
    an ocean of endless toys
    and US! magazine covers.

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  93. You didn’t address the question. Woman Z is sterile, cannot get pregnant. Her husband feels free to cheat and doesn’t try to hide it much.

    Is it okay for her to cheat? If not, why not?

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  94. Someone I heard on the radio suggested Woods left his house at 2:30am b/c he didn’t want to “pull a Chris Brown.”

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  95. Cliff Arroyo

    You didn’t address the question. Woman Z is sterile, cannot get pregnant. Her husband feels free to cheat and doesn’t try to hide it much.

    Is it okay for her to cheat? If not, why not?

    I certainly did. Learn to read.

    Her mind isn’t one of a sterile woman. That she would cheat means she’s a parasite on him. Willing to take up his resources and defraud him.

    Besides which, unless you’ve been sterilized by modern medicine there’s never certainty about a woman being sterile.

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  96. ””””FakeName
    Someone I heard on the radio suggested Woods left his house at 2:30am b/c he didn’t want to “pull a Chris Brown.”
    ”””””’

    And woman in that situation want you to be chris brown.
    Hence the following him out of the house.

    ”’Tarl,
    he should dump her and get a fertile woman.”””
    Why being able to marry multiple woman is inherantly kind and why the christian version with being able to throw someone away because they can’t have kids or stop having sex is not kind but evil.

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  97. “Since men and women are not the same biologically, the idea that they should be treated the same from a moral or ethical standpoint is untenable.”

    I really don’t think that’s a road you want to go down as it can be used to justify all sorts of things that self-style alphas most certainly Do Not Want.

    Admit it. You want to have your cake and eat it too. It’s a perfectly normal thing. Part of being a responsible adult is realizing that that’s not really possible and making better choices and prioritizing.

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  98. ”””””Zunder
    The next time Tiger has a conversation with his wife, it should be with the back of his hand.
    ”””””””
    lol

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  99. @ Anony (at 1:12pm)

    >>>>A husband must earn this power, rather than simply using manipulation techniques . If he doesn’t earn it, he’ll get sidelined. Here’s my advice to Tiger, the absent father: treat their constipation, build the sandboxes, find new babysitters, get a swingset, bounce them to sleep, read stories to the toddler. There should be tangible evidence of his influence around the house, even when he’s gone.<<<<

    Are you joking?

    The "tangible evidence of his influence" doesn't NEED to be AROUND the house; it IS the damn house and every other thing within her or their kid's sight…

    Not to say TW shouldn't be a good father and involved in his kids lives in a meaningful way, but when Elin can go earn a couple million dollars over a long weekend it MIGHT make sense for him to make a priority out of treating their kid's constipation…

    B.

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  100. also…

    PA excellent comments.

    And to any commenter who stated or implied playing Golf at that caliber is not a challenging mental and physical sport is ignorant.

    B.

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  101. on November 30, 2009 at 2:20 pm detective dipshit

    ,I>I believe it’s a good idea for men to get practice dominating a woman so fully she loses all dignity around him.

    A belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over and over and in your case roissy; a really stupid one.

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  102. @Firepower
    Its interesting that a black woman also fears white women. I was interested in why black women always resort to the endgame defense of The Black Man when he goes crazy for the white women. I guess race is thicker than water.

    Many black women not only fear white women, but if they are darker skinned black women they also fear light-skinned black women and Latina’s too. They see these other women as competition for men. And unfortunately for many women, their desire for a man is stronger than any sense of loyalty they have towards other women.

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  103. LOL @ people claiming Tiger and Kobe are betas.

    Definition of alpha is how many beautiful girls want to sleep with you, how beautiful they are, and how badly they want you. Whether you choose to act on that is not really the determination. Put Tiger or Kobe in a room with 99.99% of the male population of this Earth and they are taking first choice of the women.

    Tiger doesn’t need to play all these mind games or dominance bullshit. Thanks to his prodigious talent and incredible marketing success, he is in a position now where he has such an incredible amount of wealth and status, he will have a steady stream of 9+’s at his disposal for the rest of his life. When you are playing at his level, the beauty of the girls he can get is such that it’s not even a matter of “moving up the scale (6-7-8-9, 9+)”, it’s just a matter of preference and variety.

    It is in Tiger’s interests to save face and cover up. This will all wash over in a few months and he will enjoy his view from the ivory tower soon enough.

    And for all the guys making these claims about how he needs to keep his woman in line, etc., I feel like they’ve never tagged more than a REAL 7. I’m no where near Tiger’s level, but I’ve picked off a few low-level magazine models, beer ad girls, etc., and I’ll say… there’s only a certain amount of game that can be run on most of these girls. Just like most super-Alpha males will always stray from even the most beautiful girl (simply because he has such a wealth of options), most super-Alpha females (legit 9+’s) have such a developed sense of entitlement (especially when they get a taste of fame) and have such a plentiful variety of Alpha cock thrown at them on a daily basis that they will eventually throw unpassable shit tests at even their super-Alpha lovers. And often, these girls get to a point where they don’t think about their actions, because they will be forgiven or have plenty of guys to clean up their shit. Any guy who has dated a girl of this caliber (in a relative sense, a true 8 in Malibu isn’t going to have nearly the same entitlement as a true 8 in bumfuck, Oklahoma) has almost certainly been in, or had to descalate, a few fights because of his girl.

    It’s like raising a Pit Bull, if done right properly, it will be the most faithful, trustworthy and caring dog. But if you happen to have it off the leash and another dog agitates it the wrong way… grab a mop and bucket because biology will take over.

    I’m sure Roissy could come up with a maxim to put this in better words than I but I feel like there’s a corollary to the Tiger Woods effect. The higher the status of both parties (in a relative sense to the environment of the social circle they travel in), the greater chance for cheating by one or both parties. Or, put more simply, when options increase, so does cheating.

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  104. For what it’s worth, I’ve never heard any black woman express any support for any woman in conflict with a man irregardless of the race of either.

    My sampe isn’t large, but it’s very consistent: when a man and woman are in conflict, black women support the man. period.

    I’d be interested in knowing about exceptions.

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  105. I wish that was my Xbox so I could kick her out of the house and then sue her for $350.

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  106. “Strictly from the standpoint of biological logic, the man should not care if his wife cheats if she can’t get pregnant.”

    I agree with this. The problem is that hundreds of thousands of years of evolution have shaped the way people think about things.

    The difference is that a man can be reasonably happy and satisfied with his marriage and yet still have a strong urge to get some action on the side. At the same time, most women who are reasonably happy in their marriages are not particularly interested in cheating.

    For this reason, I think people need to be tolerant of discrete male infidelity. Also, people should be tolerant of discrete infidelity by the 10 or so percent of women who can enjoy a little variety without feeling that their marriage is basically over. I don’t see this as a big problem since there are many guys who don’t mind, or who even prefer, that their wives slut it up.

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  107. I really don’t think that’s a road you want to go down as it can be used to justify all sorts of things that self-style alphas most certainly Do Not Want.

    Something tells me your understanding of those subjects will be as flawed as your understanding of the relative logic of male and female infidelity.

    Incidentally, we already have a lot of things that alphas do not want that result from the idea that “men and women are different”. It’s just that women only want to apply legal and political coercion to redress their real and imagined weaknesses and disadvantages, never those of men.

    Admit it. You want to have your cake and eat it too. It’s a perfectly normal thing. Part of being a responsible adult is realizing that that’s not really possible and making better choices and prioritizing.

    Uh, no, sorry. You are simply wrong as a matter of logic and morality.

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  108. when a man and woman are in conflict, black women support the man. period.

    I overheard a group of middle aged black women on the commuter train making extremely critical comments about Justin Timberlake following the Janet Jackson wardrobe incident.

    JT and JJ weren’t technically “in conflict,” but that’s about my sample size with WM/BF scenarios.

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  109. The xbox girl’s boyfriend just picked up the pieces, no wonder she’s a spoiled bitch and had to go as far as smashing the xbox to try and get a reaction from him, which she didn’t even get! When she gets off this high and gets “bored” again, she’ll probably go smash his car and then maybe he his house. Why not? Not like he’s going to do anything about it. What a chump.

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  110. How would you get back at xbox girl though? Physically attacking her is illegal and making her pay for the xbox is probably not going to faze her as she looks like she’s loaded.

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  111. Bort, the reason the girl in the xbox video is dating below her market value is because it’s fun for her right now. She’s using him and smashing all his shit. When that gets old, she’ll move on to another guy. He’s the one that’s emotionally invested here and she’s Tiger Woods (despite her pathetic use of a golf club).

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  112. So I’m wondering is what is the maximum status disparity between a man and a woman where this tactic will still be effective? For example, I’m much more likely to put up with a little bit of rules-ey behavior from women that are of equal or higher status to me than I am from some poor beast that’s absorbed several glancing blows from the ugly stick. In fact, I’d even go so far as to say that a 2 trying to act like she’s a 10 breeds contempt.

    So again I ask you all, at what status disparity will “Im-out-of-her-league” game inspire eye rolls and not gina tingles?

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  113. “How would you get back at xbox girl though?”

    If it’s just a matter of revenge, you could report her to the police for malicious destruction of property. I think most prosecutors would take the case.

    The real question is whether there is any way to save the relationship. I tend to doubt it. What this girl needs to keep her in line is corporal punishment which is of course illegal. In an ideal world, her boyfriend would paddle her on video and post the video to youtube as a response.

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  114. Roissy, as one who dated down in an S/M context, I agree. That bitch was damn easy to control, if only because I so overwhelmed her in both looks and intelligence. Got me a lot of free shit, too.

    Tiger’s wife, as I’ve said before, is a big fucking liar and I hate her. When she and Tiger started dating her, her spokesman came out and actually said that she wasn’t like most American girls, because she wasn’t dating him for his money.

    Yeah right. I’m sure a model would love Tiger if he went bankrupt or if he were an auto mechanic or social worker.

    Such lying little whores.

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  115. PA, but he is a white man.

    Black women are pro-black male, which is odd, considering how they abandon their women so regularly.

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  116. Lurker, right. But Cliff was saying that black women support the man, period. So I tried to come up with a contrary WM/BW scenario.

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  117. ””””Jagal
    How would you get back at xbox girl though? Physically attacking her is illegal and making her pay for the xbox is probably not going to faze her as she looks like she’s loaded.
    ””””””
    Extremely cheap lesson that she is not the one. Move the fuck on. No need to get back at her. She did you a fucking favor.

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  118. ”””””””’on November 30, 2009 at 3:33 pm lurker
    PA, but he is a white man.

    Black women are pro-black male, which is odd, considering how they abandon their women so regularly.
    ””””””’

    They are actually more pro free government shit than black men. Anyway.

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  119. I hope xbox girl handles a cock better than she does a golf club.

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  120. Jamila

    @Firepower

    Many black women not only fear white women, but if they are darker skinned black women they also fear light-skinned black women and Latina’s too.

    I hear you. I fear them too; they get awfully possessive and jealous

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  121. Lucius Hunt

    Tiger doesn’t need to play all these mind games or dominance bullshit. Thanks to his prodigious talent and incredible marketing success, he is in a position now where he has such an incredible amount of wealth and status, he will have a steady stream of 9+’s at his disposal for the rest of his life.

    Yep. Just like it worked out with Rachel Uchitel. At this pace, he’ll need an Escalade a week to keep up with the poon – but hey, at least he can afford it.

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  122. “My sampe isn’t large, but it’s very consistent: when a man and woman are in conflict, black women support the man. period.”

    They sure didn’t support the Duke lacrosse team during that rape hoax a few years ago.

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  123. That xbox thing is probably fake.

    It looks pretty staged.

    Here is another of her videos:
    http://www.break.com/index/cute-girlfriend-scares-guy-with-lizard.html

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  124. “Black women are pro-black male, which is odd, considering how they abandon their women so regularly.”

    Liberals always identify with their oppressors. Think about it for a minute; you’ll realize how true it is.

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  125. How is Tiger Woods anything more than a paper alpha? As far as I can tell., women throw themselves at him because he’s rich and famous, not because he has any alpha traits. And he definitely is butt-ass ugly.

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  126. Woods did the right thing.

    By not reacting, he has successfully kept all of his brand endorsements and future financial equity intact (Nike, Accenture, et al makes up close to $50 M over five years).

    As a strategist on the course, Woods instinctually takes the fewest swings possible to get a ball into a hole. Watch and see, Elin is doomed and Rachel is in, and Woods will execute with both precision and efficiency.

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  127. Tiger Woods’ newest gold club at:

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199754.php

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  128. Kobe and Tiger are both beta males…Wealth, status, privilege, etc. are no insulation from a beta mindset.

    I have to disagree on Tiger. From talking to some Stanford alums that were around in his day, he was neck deep in poon before he ever had a nickel to his name. It’s commonly said that he majored in girls.

    I’m not sure whether or not Kobe is a paper alpha. Dominant on the basketball court, hyper competitive to the point of being thought of by everyone as a prick, rich, etc; but the huge rock was definitely beta (or very deviously alpha). Every time his wife looks at that ring she’s going to think about him cheating on her.

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  129. The top of any society is always top men. Women scream and howl for them if they can keep from fainting. No one woman can match his status. Women are however not at the bottom. Nope. That is the omega man. Being a man is a greater gamble up or down. 1 Stud stallion, 10 fertile mares and a big pot of glue in a pair tree. Sing it.

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  130. Lupo: Liberals always identify with their oppressors. Think about it for a minute; you’ll realize how true it is.

    So I guess the whole labor movement with all its rioting and protesting was composed primarily of conservatives then, right?

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  131. @Lupo

    Liberals always identify with their oppressors. Think about it for a minute; you’ll realize how true it is.

    I don’t know abou that. I would say liberals always identify with the oppressed, or else they’ll create a group that they feel is oppressed and then choose to identify with the group.

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  132. Help me out with this one… best friend of my wife announces to her beta’ish husband that she wants to explore sexual relationships with other women. After thinking about it, he agrees and gives her ‘permission’ to do so. They have 2 kids. The woman his wife is interested in is early 20’s and she’s in her early 40’s.

    My wife is full of ‘you go girl admiration’ and impressed that the husband is so cool about it. ‘What an amazing relationship they must have…’ etc

    I know that if I ‘asked permission’ from my wife to sleep with others half my age, her attititude would be different.

    But what to think of this dynamic – husband agreeing to letting wife explore bisexual sex? Wise move? Foolish move?

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  133. @The Specimen

    I’m not sure whether or not Kobe is a paper alpha. Dominant on the basketball court, hyper competitive to the point of being thought of by everyone as a prick, rich, etc; but the huge rock was definitely beta (or very deviously alpha). Every time his wife looks at that ring she’s going to think about him cheating on her.

    Kobe is definitely beta. Basketball is pretty much the ONLY place he does seem to dominate. When the police took him in for questioning about the alleged rape he was in the interrogation room ratting out every other NBA player that he could think of that was cheating on his wife, just like him. Thats why Shaq couldn’t stand Kobe after that. There was an audiotape of Kobe talking about how Shaq was a cheater too that got released to the media around that time.

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  134. But he claims that he got into an accident by himself and that she broke the window with a club in order to get him out of the car. I don’t know if that’s true, but if that is indeed what happened, then the whole event says nothing about Tuger’s alpha or beta status.

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  135. Its now coming out that he was probably high on prescription meds and Elin probably did have to break the back window to rescucitate him and get him out.

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  136. So I guess the whole labor movement with all its rioting and protesting was composed primarily of conservatives then, right?

    -The Specimen

    Funny you should ask. My grandpa was a blue-collar teamster with some radical views on labor, but if you listened to his attitude on social issues you’d think he was a radical right-winger today.

    “Liberals” are today’s conservatives — they are elitist, avaricious, and have a strong belief in their own superiority.

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  137. on November 30, 2009 at 4:54 pm Cannon's Canon

    i have heard that tiger can bench three plates

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  138. The specimen, considering how union heads are corrupt thugs who force their members into virtual slavery for their power….then rioting for unions make sense.

    Liberals always have the mindset that they are the oppressed fighting the power. Its very conspiracy-based thinking. Even today, Valerie Jarrett, the advisor tot he president, claims the white house’s job is speaking truth to power.

    Memo to the white house: you are no longer fighting The Man. When you are president, YOU ARE THE MAN.

    This mindset explains how they can support military dictators like Stalin and Castro—they’ve invented evil, more powerful, unseen capitalist enemies that somehow oppress Castro and Stalin.

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  139. on November 30, 2009 at 5:07 pm newly divorced

    Tiger should fly to a muslim country (say Dubai) for a “golf tournament”. Then he should immediately claim residency and divorce this how Muslim style.

    Once that’s done. He should file charges against the bitch and have her thrown in prison for a long time. Attacking someone with a golf club is obviously a crime and she should go to jail.

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  140. I have an interesting anecdote concerning Tiger. A buddy of mine, who I know to be reliable, spent many years working on the golf circuit. Years ago, when Tiger was becoming an international star, but well before he got married, my buddy socialized with him extensively. This was not terribly surprising, as my friend is an extremely social guy. The type of guy that is always going to get to know the most important person in a given room.

    Anyway, here is what he told me: Tiger has (had) no game. No game at all. As in no game to the point of weirdness. Tiger’s idea of a wild night out was going to Hooter’s with a couple of the guys. Girls were throwing themselves at him (rather sickening to me, for reasons those aware of my views will understand), and Tiger would do absolutely nothing. He had nothing to say, and just seemed to want to avoid the whole situation. He didn’t have a girlfriend, and he never hooked up. Again, he was already a star by this point.

    Now, perhaps the guy changed in the years that followed. I’m sure he did, and I seem to remember in a later conversation hearing that he was starting to make some progress. But the point is this: Tiger is not a natural alpha. In fact, he is a natural beta – at best. The way my buddy described it, he had game skills far below even that of the typical beta. Bad as in weirdly bad. Like David Alexander bad. I’ve never heard my friend describe someone so devoid of girl skills. I remember thinking: “Genetic zoo, weird fuck.”

    Just goes to show what fame and fortune can do for you. If it weren’t for that, I really think Tiger would be hanging out with someone like David Alexander. They would occasionally go to Hooter’s together and bitch about how nobody wants them.

    I realize that this is all hearsay wrapped within hearsay, so take with however many grains of salt. But I can say that I’ve never known this buddy of mine to make shit up. I pressed him to make sure that he wasn’t engaging in hyperbole. He’s reliable, and I believe the above to be true.

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  141. @ryder- actually that seems plausible to me. i think it was whiskey on the corresponding Tiger post on the Spearhead who pointed out that he’s kind of unlikeable: antisocial, arrogant, etc. he doesn’t have a lot of natural presence or charisma – quite the opposite. and really, doesn’t that make sense? to excel at any sport, especially golf in which repetitive motions and extreme attention to detail are so important, wouldn’t it take an introverted OCD type guy to do so well at it? and those are the type of guys who have no people skills in general. Couple that with the effect of his dominating sports stage-dad and you have even more social problems.

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  142. Jamila

    The Woods family is in a bit of a jam. If your story is true, then Mr. Woods is guilty of a DUI. If his injuries were really caused by an out of control Mrs. Woods, then that is DV or worse, assault with a deadly weapon. Or, as it is most likely, they are both guilty, ie, he was stoned and attempting to drive away after she hit him with a weapon.
    Maybe when they finally talk to the cops, neither of them will be able to remember anything.

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  143. <i.So I guess the whole labor movement with all its rioting and protesting was composed primarily of conservatives then, right?

    The labor movement was a way for liberals to coopt the proles and gain political power. Later the liberals lost interest in the proles and moved on to coopting minorities as a way to gain political power. In neither case were the liberals truly interested in the actual welfare of the recipients of their “help”, and in neither case have the liberals actually helped proles or minorities. Yet the liberals have gained more and more political power. Funny how that works, eh?

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  144. Damn, that girl needs to lay-off the industrial sized caulking gun she uses to slather on her foundation.

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  145. Paul Newman was pretty damn Alpha. His take on it, was “why would I get hamburger when I can get steak at home?”

    One of the things that a man has to learn is self-control. WHEN to keep it zipped.

    For about 99% of guys, that’s never an issue because women come around, interested, once in a blue moon. But for the powerful guys to get along (and not get the Shaq to Kobe treatment outlined above) they have to keep out of other guy’s women, and not cause trouble at home.

    Woods had a perfectly good wife, better than most guys get. He should have either kept it in his pants, or divorced her and chased whatever he wanted. No one put a gun to his head to get married.

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  146. “Anyway, here is what he told me: Tiger has (had) no game.” – Ryder

    This quote is taken from a Sports Illustrated article published back in 2004:

    “According to a close friend of the Parneviks, Woods had an intermediary ask Nordegren for that first date. “Her reaction was, ‘What the hell was that?'” says the Parneviks’ friend. “She thought it was so weird and pathetic. Of course she said no.”

    http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1943325,00.html

    Verdict: BETA

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  147. Roissy–

    Similarly, if you’re a girl who’s dating Tiger Woods and you catch him throwing a flirty glance at a waitress, you might do something crazy like this. (Thanks to Justin for the pointer. My readers always come through with great links.)

    The XBox destroying hot girl who’s jealous that her hunky bf is spending too much time with it and not enough with her, was primarily the result of the super sense of girl entitlement that exists now, and non consequence. She’s a super spoiled princess.

    Now sure, her emotions likely resulted from the sorts of dynamics you’re talking about her Roissy, but the sense of invulnerability to acting out on them is what lead her to actually do that. Few guys not in criminal gangs in cowed neighborhoods would feel similar invulnerability. Because it wouldn’t exist for them. They’d get arrested.

    Well if I were her boyfriend I’d demand immediate payment through her credit card for the next better model of Xbox plus a couple of games to boot, in recompense. Else I’d go to her parents. Then I’d go to the cops, and yes damn right pressed charges. Theft and vandalism. The only way I’d remotely consider not breaking up with her is if her contrition was abject and she fully complied.

    No it isn’t “cute” or acceptable.

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  148. How could I have missed this nugget?

    “The p.r. machinery of various multinational corporations has given Woods a superstar sheen, but don’t forget that his teammates at Stanford nicknamed him Urkel, after the famously nerdy character in the coming-of-age TV comedy.”

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  149. “Tiger has (had) no game. No game at all. As in no game to the point of weirdness. Tiger’s idea of a wild night out was going to Hooter’s with a couple of the guys.”

    Sounds like GBDKIY (gay but doesn’t know it yet) to me. As in the wild part was hanging out with the guys and the girls were an unwelcome intrusion.

    “he had game skills far below even that of the typical beta. Bad as in weirdly bad. Like David Alexander bad. I’ve never heard my friend describe someone so devoid of girl skills. I remember thinking: “Genetic zoo, weird fuck.”

    IME completely devoid of girl skills means lack of desire for girls.

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  150. Giving this idea more thought than it deserves (or than I’m really interested in giving it) the idea of Woods as a latent homo would explain why his wife is acting so psycho (sexual frustration caused by his lack of desire) and why his reputed paramour is so …. not hot (not in tune with straight ideas of hotness and distracted by the drag queen look).

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  151. PA–

    In most marriages, the marital power shifts to the wife at the time of the first baby birth. She gently uses the needs of the baby to push her own agenda. When the father cedes too much baby-centric care and decision making, he loses control and even relevance.

    That’s quite true, and solid LTR game takes this heavily into account. Prior to having a kid, marriage is little different from having a girlfrined. But childbirth can change everything.

    That may be your reality but it isn’t general American or Anglosphere reality in most marriages. Much depends on the difference in income between the man and woman, though be cause women are hypergamous in status and when it comes to marriage also in income, usually the man makes more. This is amped by his usually being older.

    If the income disparity is large, the wife gains extractive power from each year of marriage, or really each month, etc. Depending on the state there’s even some ability to claw into the man’s premarital assets, usually in the form of his ability to pay her during the divorce proceedings support, and her lawyer’s fees, and then maybe even alimony. Or just it coloring all judicial latitude in decision making. Such is the extreme feminist/female tilt of almost all family courts today in America esp. wherever leftists predominate.

    From the moment of marriage the financial security for women of American marriage, and the cultural messages, and her girlfiends’ “wisdom” all conspire to lead her to try less hard. If she was mad in love with you when you married and wasn’t either golddigging, or it’s cousin, security securing, but actually adored her, she WILL be pretty immune to all this FOR AWHILE. But only for awhile.

    It’s not just having kids, though that IS a big boost to female in Anglosphere societies. It’s also just getting married at all. Esp. w/out a prenup.

    However. Flip this script in your mind. Go back to the older patriarchal rule that divorcing women left without much money but also without her kids, almost always. She had to do a consentual deal with her husband to get the kids, otherwise he did. Until the late 19th century, that was the rule almost everywhere in Western society (most/nearly all others). Try them apples. See what that does to marital power upon the birth of a child. It’s all about the law and the entertainment media subtext propaganda children. Or that and biology, but the biology doesn’t cut against men.

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  152. Over and over and over again, the message is clear:

    Men: Do not get married.

    It is simple. Can you remember that? If you are an alpha, the world is yours without marriage. If you are a beta, getting married just makes you a slave to a woman who disrespects you.

    All those cute young girls grow old. Why keep one around when she is as old as you?

    Maybe when you are 50, marriage with a great prenup might be reasonable.

    Think what Tiger Woods gave up getting married at, what?, 29? Pathetic. And, marries a blond Swede. That’s like marrying the first girl you screw.

    Geez. Just sickening.

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  153. “Sounds like GBDKIY (gay but doesn’t know it yet) to me.”

    Nah. Either neuter or beta double minus, bordering on omega.

    He sounds like one of those child actors or models whose career is entirely the product of a parent relentlessly pushing them, and who never has a chance to develop a normal social life. Who knows, his dad probably kept him away from girls because that would distract him from his golf practice.

    His putter “Charlene” was the only pussy he got for his entire teenage years…

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  154. His putter “Charlene” was the only pussy he got for his entire teenage years

    Did he really name his putter “Charlene”?

    Hah, that’s what Gomer Pyle named his M16 in “Full Metal Jacket.”

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  155. I think Tiger Woods deserves to have mistresses. Super alpha men do.

    I don’t think his wife even approaches being his true full equal. In what? Accomplishment? Cause she’s hot? How many hot blondes, burnettes, redheds, Chinese girls, etc. want Tiger Woods. How many centimillionaires want her? A few I imagine, but how old and hot looking and what’s the ratio? Not close is it? Nope.

    This idea that marriage immediately makes a woman equal to any man she marries in all ways, including if she divorces him or she no longer pleases him or cheats or is a golf club wielding violent domestic abuser is absurd. Ain’t true. No man of means or prospective means should do less than everything he can to cut this 2nd wave feminist theory off at it’s knees as much as possible, through a tough pre-nup. A pre-nup that takes as it starting point what would happen financially in a living together breakup, and she moves out of YOUR house.

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  156. Stockholm syndrome? Tiger doesn’t want the world to know the details of how his wife attacked him – she is the mother of his young children after all. But the truth will come out and it will get ugly. The price of fame.

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  157. I’d kill to be as goofy-looking as Tiger Woods…

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  158. Date at least one woman who is lower than you in dating market value and watch with wonder how little effort you have to put into the relationship.

    LOL I didn’t realize it until just now, but that’s what I’ve been doing with a few girls recently. Including the one who is driving 25 miles so she can cook dinner for me tonight.

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  159. has Doug1 become whiskey like?

    whiskey-women hate hate hate beta men
    doug1-child support and alimony are evil rah rah rah

    same crap another day.

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  160. on November 30, 2009 at 7:12 pm no more mr nice guy

    What is more pathetic ?

    — A 300 pounds feminist picketing a beauty contest because she knows that she cannot be a contestant.

    — A bunch of guys bashing Tiger Woods because he’s married to a hot babe and they’re jealous.

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  161. Option 3 –

    – an anonymous internet poster trying to feel superior by belittling other anonymous internet posters.

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  162. ha ha (above). NO ONE is jealous of Tiger for his wife. He is a billionaire superstar and she is a girl with a funny face. he should be banging MODELS,like that Pats QB did. (And maybe still does ha ha when Giselle is away. We can hope!) This girl Tiger married is just…pretty.(At best) And it seems she is a psycho bitch to boot. There must be some connection between the choice of a black lover/baby daddy/husband and a streak of nastiness. White bitches who hook up with Blackie can get awfully vicious. Recall that NY Giants player who had his balls put thru the wringer by that white broad. (Of course the reverse applies too,to say the least!) Fuck her. And her cock-sucking parents who probably gushed to everybody how much they LOVED their precious daughter,and how much they LOVED Tiger,and how much it was wonderful that she married a black guy…and soon theyll be braying about how much they LOVE the kids…

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  163. Well if I were her boyfriend I’d demand immediate payment through her credit card for the next better model of Xbox plus a couple of games to boot, in recompense.

    The Xbox thing is likely fake. But the 360 Elite did just get a price cut!!! SWT.

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  164. Darn you–

    doug1-child support and alimony are evil rah rah rah

    same crap another day.

    I think their meta effect is evil yes. Unlike Whiskey I don’t intentionally or recklessly lie or greatly exaggerate.

    I think their meta effect is to destroy a huge percentage of families. Human women evolved to become partially dependent on provider and protector males. We should not adopt social policies based on prejudiced and unbalanced misandry to greatly destroy those bedrocks of family formation and especially durability.

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  165. Am I the only one who doesn’t think of Tiger as black?

    To me he just doesn’t look black; he looks Thai with a ton of muscle.

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  166. I don’t know if it’s real or not, but that xbox video makes my blood boil.

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  167. Steve Johnson–

    Am I the only one who doesn’t think of Tiger as black?

    I think of him as seriously mixed, and to his credit, saying he is culturally as well (which is the unusual thing about him – strong ties to his mother which he isn’t willing to publically submerge for political reasons, probably importantly because she isn’t white, but instead E. Asian (Thai). In all likelihood a former Thai bar girl/hooker actually, but I don’t hold that against her.)

    But he is emblematic of black Americans efforts to demand that all high achievers who have any noticeably amount of black in them be considered black. Of course Tiger Woods has very black skin, at least in an American black (20% white) context, so of course he looks on first blush black. But also not only. If you told me nothing about him I’d guess he had a pretty strong bit of AmerIndian in him. Well, East Asian, even SE Asian, isn’t that different.

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  168. Tiger’s a conservative on most issues, so I’m in his corner. I like the guy because he’s just a kid pushed into sports by an overbearing father—-he just happens to be black.

    But I was extremely disappointed when he got married. Guy is a mega wealthy still young superstar and tied himself down to one woman? very beta, John henry-esque.

    He’s probably just realizing how very stupid he was and how much hot ass he could get instead of rapidly depreicating bad sex ass with the old ball-and-chain. Hope he got a good prenup.

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  169. Generally, the few relationships I’ve seen where one partner gets off on their relative power and upper hand…the other partner eventually gets sick of it and goes on to have a happy life, while the power-tripper goes down the shitter over time.

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  170. Darn One–

    Try thinking in basic evolutionary terms.

    Why did the human pair bond, and primarily monogamous mating pattern, with exceptions, develop? It seems to have around the division between Austrolpithicus and Home Erectus by the way, with the development of human harnassing of fire and of cooking involved.

    Almost all scientists who’ve considered the issue think it has to do with the female adapting in various ways to win male bonded providing support for her long term dependent becoming human homonid offspring. Big brain developing hominids having to largely develop their brains and brain driven independence outside the womb to manage getting through her vagina without killing her. Which in turn was greatly helped by male bonded provisioning help, as well as her cooking for him with fire, and all the brain calories and nutrition that unleashed, without having to chew all day. And also greatly helped by her being sexually receptive almost the entire month/time, with only a week or less or not so much, but even that not absolute.

    What’s this whole foundational human pattern about? Girls giving regular long term sex (and cooking it’s looking like) in exchange for regular long term provisioning and protection. An exchange. Not a “knock me up, and I don’t ever have to f*ck you again or do anything else for you, it’s your legal duty to support YOUR kid that you probably never wanted if you didn’t marry her, and never wanted to have if divorce came with, if you did.” Nope. That was never the bargain, ever, in human history, prehistory, and pre fully sapiens evolution even. Only with Marxist feminist ideology. Which of course must be true because it says it’s based on “equal” and “eqaul” is in the Constitution isn’t it, or anyway the Declaration of Independence?

    (Nope. Not equality of outcome, only before the law.)

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  171. This has been a interesting comment thread full of insightful thoughts from PA, Doug, and Whiskey.

    Roissy’s post was quite funny. I just knew he’d weigh in on this incident.

    One wonders what _really_ happened. Did Tiger just get bored and fucked a slag for shits and giggles? Is Elin Nordegren a cold wife whose pussy is zipped-shut post-baby? Is Nordegren a prude in bed (probably not, she was a swimsuit model, but still?). You never know who is really at fault.

    I for one wish that brain scans will be developed that show the part of the brain that is active when someone is lying. That way, hopefully, someday we will be able to question people in a court of law and truly find out the truth by pairing it down like peeling a orange, and fault can be better determined and better assigned.

    Hope everybody had a great weekend.

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  172. I live a few miles from Tiger and I had an opportunity to meet him a couple of years ago through a chick I was dating at the time.

    She called me up one night and said that one of her friends or coworkers or something was one of Tiger’s fuck toys, and they were in the VIP of a bar a few miles from here. (Rollo knows where I’m talking about)

    The next day I asked her what he was like. She said “He was a prick”.

    I was very disappointed that I didn’t get to meet the prick.

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  173. on November 30, 2009 at 9:17 pm unlearning genius

    @Anony,
    “A husband must earn this power, rather than simply using manipulation techniques . If he doesn’t earn it, he’ll get sidelined. Here’s my advice to Tiger, the absent father: treat their constipation, build the sandboxes, find new babysitters, get a swingset, bounce them to sleep, read stories to the toddler. There should be tangible evidence of his influence around the house, even when he’s gone.”

    You are most likely a woman. Bitch! shut the fuck up .. The Dad should never be THAT close to his kids .. some measured distance earns respect and admiration … All a man is responsible for is to financially support the household .. he can do whatever the fuck he want with this dicretionary income .. Which son would not be proud of a dad who would constantly bang a 25 yr old mistress .. which daughter would not be proud of an alpha dad? Emotional availability my ass ..
    men should not be that accessible even to their own kids ..

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  174. “This idea that marriage immediately makes a woman equal to any man she marries in all ways, including if she divorces him or she no longer pleases him or cheats or is a golf club wielding violent domestic abuser is absurd.”

    This is pretty profound. Because marriage is supposed to happen between equals. Traditionally marriage wasn´t allowed when the difference in status was too big.

    So yeah, marrying her makes her your equal. If she´s not, they don´t marry her. Simple.

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  175. I agree with Tarl, in regards to male vs female infidelity.

    I can go out and choose to fuck another girl; and while I might find her attractive in a non-superficial way, it doesn’t mean I’ve actually lost much attraction for my girlfriend or want a new girlfriend, or am somehow going to find my current girlfriend in any way less appealing (other than that I am bored) and I can still be in love with her. It’s my biological imperative to spread my seed. I’m evolved for that purpose. That is the male perspective on the issue.

    When a woman selects a partner for sex; unless there are some serious extenuating circumstances involved, like emotional/psychological issues that prevent investment in a relationship, heavy drug or alcohol use involved, it is an investment. That is, if she actively has chosen to cheat, it’s probably not just because she is bored and is looking for entertainment. She is ready to move on. A lot of women will stick with their men, and cheat, but make no mistake that if she has cheated; things are basically over. She’s moved on emotionally. You are now the provider. Her love is essentially platonic at that point. All of the romance and passion you are experiencing, is basically just nostalgia for her.

    I’m not saying that women should put up with cheating men; but that male and female infidelity are not mentally equal. Men and women have different motivations for infidelity just as they have different motivations for all things romantic and sexual. It’s not about having your cake and eating it too. It’s about human sexual selection being fundamentally different for males and females.

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  176. “Because marriage is supposed to happen between equals. Traditionally marriage wasn´t allowed when the difference in status was too big.”

    You gotta be kidding. Why do traditional wedding vows have the woman she will “obey”?

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  177. I wonder if women project their own motives for cheating onto men who cheat on them? If they knew how superficial the motives of cheating men are, that is, they are very likely not thinking about abandoning the relationship, rather, just looking for some fun, they might not get so mad. Well, projection is a common failing.

    Just one more reason not to marry.

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  178. People continue to not understand the difference between a “Beta” and “doing something a Beta would do.”

    Kobe cheats on his wife and buys her a huge diamond to pacify her, that’s a Beta move. However, Kobe is NOT a Beta. For 99% of people reading this thread, if Kobe wanted your girl, and he put full effort into winning her, he’s taking her from you. She might be totally into you now, but give Kobe enough time and effort and suddenly you and her “just aren’t working out.” THAT’s what being Alpha is.

    The actions you take don’t make you Alpha or Beta, it’s the result of those actions, specifically, the quality, quantity and intensity of potential lovers you have.

    Roissy and the G-man have both alluded to this fact before; the more Alpha-cred you have, the more Beta moves you can get away with. A nonstop barrage of cocky & funny standard Game will get you pretty far. But if you supplement that with some “Beta moves” you can take it to the next level. There are times when a “Beta move” can further you Alpha status in the long run.

    Jim from accounting handing a girl a love poem after work is somewhat creepy and slightly pathetic. Reading your girl a love poem after you kill a wolf with your bare hands and ravage her for 2 hours under the moonlight sky is probably a good cap to the night.

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  179. @PA
    gleefully pulled out my top-shelf vodka and my custom shot glasses

    There’s no difference betw top-shelf vodka and cheap crap- it’s all just fermented chemicals anyway

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  180. Specimin: “the whole labor movement with all its rioting and protesting was composed primarily of conservatives then, right?”

    Yes, that’s absolutely correct. The Labor movement that did things like have the homestead riots was far to the right of Stormfront.

    The post 1970s labor movement, which has pretty much fucked over the working man, is run by liberal pigs who in fact, identify with their oppressors. If Labor represented the working man, it would do vaguely sensible things like oppose illegal immigration. Virtually all the rank and file do, but the harvard educated liberal bedwetters who run modern unions do not.

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  181. @sabril

    “Because marriage is supposed to happen between equals. Traditionally marriage wasn´t allowed when the difference in status was too big.”

    You gotta be kidding. Why do traditional wedding vows have the woman she will “obey”?

    How is that relevant, exactly? What spandrell is saying is true — marriage didn’t generally happen between two people who were vastly different in status.

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  182. You know, whether or not Mrs. Woods actually attempted to beat up her philandering husband with a golf club, you have to give her credit for not being a disgusting narcissist who is turning this into a media circus. Most of the narcissistic imbeciles in the public eye would have been all over the television and have a “burning bed” style book contract by now.

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  183. Tiger Woods is no more an alpha male than I am a black golf playing prodigy that probably didn’t get laid until well into his 30’s

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  184. Correction , the dude is 33 … late 20’s

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  185. @Gunslingergregi
    “Extremely cheap lesson that she is not the one. Move the fuck on. No need to get back at her. She did you a fucking favor.”

    I’m not arguing about dumping the girl, but not getting back at her? So in other words, she destroyed the xbox and gets to walk away? No way, there needs to be repercussions to destroying a man’s property, especially when he hasn’t done anything to deserve it.

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  186. Novaseeker–

    The pre-nup would more likely be enforced with respect to pre-marital assets, not future earnings/alimony.

    That’s true but gives the wrong impression. A prenup will essentially always be enforced with respect to premarital assets, which most state’s laws at least supposedly don’t divide or otherwise touch either – they just sometimes do around the edges, only against men.

    However prenups will in the vast (nearly always/approaching always) majority of cases be enforced against marital earnings which become savings of the high earner (husband) and in the great majority of states allow complete elimination of alimony, or nearly complete elimination of it.

    However most states will work mightily to find a loophole if a divorcing wife would be thrown onto welfare when the husband has money. Can’t go that far. Is the reverse true? No. Only when facially necessary. Definite double standard.

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  187. The woman should say she will obey. and the man not.

    I’d not remotely consider another marriage otherwise, which would be hard enough to begin to get me to agree to anyway.

    I firmly believe in male lead marriages.

    Period.

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  188. Derek writes:

    The lesson from Roissy’s Tiger allegory is so fucking true.

    The only times I’ve gone beta-ish is when I’ve captured a 9 on three occasions. I eventually lost them, because ironically, I wanted to keep them so bad due to their beauty, I abandoned the behavior which drew them to me in the first place.

    The numerous and replaceable 7’s which revolve around me, who I dont care about, would just about do anything to secure my committement.

    There’s a fundamental flaw in this analysis. More attractive females are probably not abandoning you simply because you failed to treat them like dog shit. There are exogenous factors — you’re faced with much stiffer competition. Desirable men are not fiercely competing for plainer girls.

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  189. Good discussion.

    So maybe Tiger was angry because his wife was doing another guy?

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  190. The actions you take don’t make you Alpha or Beta, it’s the result of those actions, specifically, the quality, quantity and intensity of potential lovers you have.

    Not really. An Omega doesn’t become an Alpha when he wins the lottery; just because golddiggers come crawling out of the woodwork.

    I used to hang out with a lot of local (rock) musicians. They are almost all guys who couldn’t get to a pussy without prying a girls legs apart with the necks of their guitars. They have status, and have access to quality and quantity, but they are almost universally Beta and bitter as fuck and can’t secure the love or loyalty of a woman.

    They can get women as long as they don’t open their mouths and start talking to them and revealing the Beta. There is zero intesinity at all, because they never had to learn how to behave like men, and all their girlfriends just hop on the next available Alpha cock.

    You aren’t ‘Alpha’ no matter how much pussy you can get if your girl wants to be, or is actively cuckolding you; which is the case with a lot of de facto Alphas with money or fame.

    A girl carrying around a lower Beta male drummer in a rock band as a status symbol to brag about to he gaggle of harpies while fucking his drug dealer isn’t much different than one who marries a Beta provider and cuckolds him. The drummer has that Leader of the Tribe attraction switch going for him; but he’s completely incongruent. He’s not actually a leader; and he’s not Alpha.

    The logic that dictates access to pussy as the sole indicator of Alpha dubs the most nutless Omega who can only get skanky prostitutes to touch his dick as an Alpha; if he always has enough cash on hand. He’s not.

    A guy who only bangs skeevy hoes might be Alpha; but his wad of cash isn’t what determines that. Having sexual abundance because you can get women to be attracted to you is what it is about. Getting a woman to want to use you for your resources; including your social status in a particular scene is really the definition of provider Beta. If she is status whoring; she is basically using you to find better cock. You are her social proof. That’s it.

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  191. Tiger’s wife is fairly pretty – I’d give her a 9. This is despite a bad association in my memory – she looks a lot like the chick that asked me out to junior prom (before I got around to asking the chick I wanted). Except that Tiger’s wife has a “lantern jaw” and my prom date didn’t. Bodys are about the same. They both seem equally smart/stupid/useless with useless Mrs degree credentials. But I actually kind of like the “lantern jaw” look that many here are saying sucks. Maybe I’m weird.

    I wonder if a lot of the Orlando cops are/were social morons and never did a pretty chick before because they sure as fuck didn’t seem to put 2 and 2 together and arrest her on sight. Good god, there’s a big chance she clubed Tiger in the head. ADW w/GBI.

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  192. T.Woods is a Beta-Loser in comparison to the Virginal Scots-Irish 47 year old singer known as Susan Boyle. Despite her obvious lack of a ball sack she has nonetheless displayed more manly virtues than a whole megabyte spasm of internet chatter-posturing drones.
    She fucking went out there into the Zone-of No-Mercy (aka Britians got Talent) and stood her ground and delivered her songs with undeniably serious intent. Also, she manifested a complete absinthe of a recognisable type of fear
    Here is the main lesson: First, fucking do it in REAL LIFE. There is no second lesson.

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  193. In my life (not just counting my marriage which turned me into a pussy that makes hootie and the blowfish look tough) I’ve had some huge beta wussy moments.

    But looking back, most of the time I’d say I’ve kept a pretty solid vibe that didn’t vary much with the attractiveness women. When I moved cross country and there wasn’t a 3 month pussy pipeline pre-established while I learned how to play it cool and disinterested early on (I instinctively knew I had to do that to game chicks- we called it “scamming” back in the day) but I quickly went beta pussy once things starting moving with a girl. Even if the chick was kind of shitty looking. It would take a couple months to get the pipeline established and the kinks worked out of me before I was back on a roll again.

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  194. on December 1, 2009 at 1:18 am Steve Johnson

    Anyone who rates Tiger’s wife as lower than a 9+ or 10 is kidding themselves. Look at her:

    Maybe you like redheads or brunettes or something else but you’ve got to acknowledge that she’s hotter than almost every woman alive.

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  195. on December 1, 2009 at 4:15 am anonymous black man

    “Black women are pro-black male, which is odd, considering how they abandon their women so regularly.”

    this is the 21st century. who said that we still had to be limited to our own race? if i, a black man, see a good looking white woman walk by, i cant pretend she didnt give me an erection. this “stick to my race” thing is so dated. stick to what makes you happy.

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  196. on December 1, 2009 at 4:48 am Cannon's Canon

    anonymous black man:

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  197. on December 1, 2009 at 5:10 am Cannon's Canon

    Steve Johnson:

    I am not mad at those pics, but I’d rather fuck 2006 Shyla Stylez, who quickly fell off the 10, 9, 8 bell curve… and the freefall continues… and I am not even (among) the guy(s) who gets to fuck her every night.

    Tiger is a BILLIONAIRE, of which their are not many. He identifies as Black, racially, which may or may not infer a 17% testosterone perk against a median white man. In fact, mixed race MAY allow him to viscerally appeal to our sexually-promiscuous single white women, as an ideal, while his prohibited childhood and 75% roots of white/asian docility actually stroke those incliniations into submission… well… he should at least rival Derek Jeter and Silvio Berlusconi…

    still, tiger is no duchovny, michael douglas, alec baldwin, or arnold schwarzenegger… not even close, and those men are not BILLIONAIRES combined! yes, tiger could pour $200 million dollars into out-courting you from your girl if he really wanted to… super alpha?

    we must qualify alpha characteristics, even within the Roissy definition of the girl she most wants to bang, to rank accurately. there are definitely variables within/outside of the magnetic ability to get laid.

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  198. Tiger’s wife isn’t so special. Many many girls look that hot when they are glammed up and photoshopped.

    Hot yes. Out-of-this-world hot, no.

    I saw at least three girls of equal hotness at a house party last weekend. None attacked the men with golf clubs.

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  199. “What spandrell is saying is true — marriage didn’t generally happen between two people who were vastly different in status.”

    There is a difference between general social status and status within a relationship.

    If the claim is simply that traditionally marriages took place between people of the same general social status, e.g. a professional marrying the daughter of a professional, it may very well be true.

    If the claim is that traditionally the parties to a marriage were equal within that relationship, the claim is obviously false.

    If the claim is that marriage automatically equalizes the general social status of the parties, I’m not sure. It probably depends on the specific issue in question. In terms of infidelity, one can argue it both ways.

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  200. “If the claim is that marriage automatically equalizes the general social status of the parties, I’m not sure. It probably depends on the specific issue in question. In terms of infidelity, one can argue it both ways.”

    Not today, because modern marriage is just a contract promising money for the woman in cause a relationship breaks.

    But traditionally, a household was a household, and a man wouldn’t take a wife who he would be ashamed to show to his peers. It just didn’t happen, upon penalty of ostracism. A husband, wife and kids of course all enjoyed the same social status, they were a sole social unit.

    Of course i’m not talking on status “inside the relationship”, wtf? The issue itself is absurd, of course men were in charge. It was unthinkable to have a woman look down to his husband.

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  201. There’s no difference betw top-shelf vodka and cheap crap- it’s all just fermented chemicals anyway

    Barbarian. Good vodka goes down smoothly, the cheap stuff has a rough unpleasant taste. You might as well say that generic brand cigarettes and Camels are merely tobacco wrapped in paper.

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  202. Kyle,

    Did you actually read the statement you quoted?

    “Quality, quantity and intensity of potential lovers.”

    If a girl is cuckolding you, I would say she does not love you with very much intensity. I think you have to exclude prostitutes from this equation because they are professional lovers and it is impossible their interactions. However, banging a (legit) 8+ who is a skeevy ho who wants you only for social proof is still bordering on Alpha territory because her legs will clamp shut if Jim from accounting tries to get some. And please, let’s try not to compare Tiger Woods to the drummer from Kenny and the Hooligans.

    I think it’s safe to say that Tiger Woods scores high on all three accounts. He has the love of (most likely) multiple beautiful women and there’s no sign they step out on him and in fact they freak out and smash things with golf clubs when they think they will lose him… and then cover everything up in the press to save his reputation.

    Thus, Alpha. That’s all there is. You can’t compare Tiger to Derek Jeter or Silvio Bersculoni and say, “he’s not Alpha because he can’t pull like those guys,” that is like saying that Elizabeth Banks isn’t hot because she can’t compare to Elisha Cuthbert. Maybe Tiger isn’t one of the very most Alphas in the world (although it’s certainly possible, nobody here really knows anything other than hearsay about him), but, just like Banks (despite being short of a world-class beauty) could have her pick of 99.9% of men in the world, for 99.9% of men reading this, if Tiger wants your girl, he’s taking her.

    Game ~ Alpha but Game =/ Alpha. If you’re 5’5″, balding, have a gut and work at the Dairy Queen, you aren’t going to ascend into the top tier of Alphas no matter how good your game is. And if you’re worth $500 Million and have your own Gatorade band, you would have to be a low-functioning Autistic to fall out of the top tier of Alphas. That’s just the way it is.

    Also, remember that women don’t crave money nearly as much as they crave status. A low-key businessman worth $10 Million doesn’t have the same status as even a C-level actor making 400k a year on a shitty TV drama. Tiger gets social-proofed every day, does anybody here think that befriending the bouncer and dropping a clever neg can compare to having an entire talkshow where two guys debate if you’re the greatest athlete ever?

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  203. If the claim is simply that traditionally marriages took place between people of the same general social status, e.g. a professional marrying the daughter of a professional, it may very well be true.

    If the claim is that traditionally the parties to a marriage were equal within that relationship, the claim is obviously false.

    The former is quite obviously what he/she meant.

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  204. its interesting: a black woman defending a black man whos into banging trophy white women. I wonder why black women always do that, in the end
    ===

    If you personally knew any black women, you’d know that they are unreasonable creatures.

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  205. ””””””joel
    I wonder if women project their own motives for cheating onto men who cheat on them? If they knew how superficial the motives of cheating men are, that is, they are very likely not thinking about abandoning the relationship, rather, just looking for some fun, they might not get so mad. Well, projection is a common failing.

    Just one more reason not to marry.””””””

    Poignant.

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  206. My assumption is that Tiger is keeping quiet about his wife attacking him with golf clubs after consulting a lawyer.

    We all know how back-asswards DV laws are in the US

    If Tiger admits to being attacked Elin can just simply claim self-defense (Tiger was being verbally and physically menacing during their argument over his potential infidelity)

    Tiger gets a go to jail/lose your house and most of your money/lose access to your kids free card.

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  207. xxx

    If you personally knew any black women, you’d know that they are unreasonable creatures.

    I’ve known plenty black bitches. I agree they’re unreasonable. They have trouble with reading perception and have difficulty even following my posts long enough to answer a question I wrote down in concise words. Herding cats.

    Like the fat fugly ones are even more crazy than the hot ones. But, hot black women aren’t as stupid as the rest of women. Sort of an inverse pussy paradox. They just “play stupid on TV” bc Oprah told ’em to.

    The Tiger Woods Effect would work best on them because minority bimbos of all wondrous, proper, correct, diverse and amazing colors of The Rainbow are the easiest to manipulate; they are so fixated upon themselves due to media championing, that they fall prey to the most common tricks of logic.

    Use TWE to gain advantage
    where you have it,
    and camouflage
    where you have
    none

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  208. From Golf Magazine, proof that Tiger isn’t a paper alpha, but a true beta:

    When he finally felt ready to ask Nordegren out for the first time, Woods displayed all the confidence of a member of the chess club approaching the head cheerleader. According to a close friend of the Parneviks, Woods had an intermediary ask Nordegren for that first date. “Her reaction was, ‘What the hell was that?'” says the Parneviks’ friend. “She thought it was so weird and pathetic. Of course she said no.”

    http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1943325-2,00.html

    also, Steve Johnson —

    Are you that easily fooled by T&A and photo captions that you can’t tell the woman in the pictures you posted is obviously NOT Elin Nordegren ?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071207/glf-woods-wife-lawsuit/

    The woman in the pictures is playboy model Kim Hiott who really doesn’t bear much of a passing resemblance to Nordegren, even:

    As humans, and especially as men, we’re supposed to have powerful and acute facial recognition systems to help us determine beauty as well as identity. Your argument that Nordegren is a 9 or a 10 is thus destroyed.

    She’s an 8, and quite far below what a man of Tiger Woods’ extreme wealth and celebrity could command. If he was either an alpha or had some mastery of game he’d be praised for banging 10s on the regular à la Clooney rather than being chased around by a jealously berserk man-jawed viking woman:

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  209. This was a great read Roissy. Thank you for this.

    Whether you see/respond to this remains to be seen (probably not as there are a lot of comments).

    Anyways,

    I wouldn’t say my dating market value was low at the time, actually at the time of my last relationship it was at a decent level…but let’s say I’m a 7 and my ex girlfriend was an 8 (but had that sweet, pretty girl/good girl look) made her a seemingly good catch.

    The relationship started off with me at a very alpha stage….she was spending nights whenever I demanded it…was getting sex regularly…things were decent. She went on the pill for me. Then things started to change. I got used to something. I grew accustomed to it. The relationship also changed to a degree when I found out she was moving and it was going to be almost 2 hour drive away. The second I realized that she was going to be further and I was going to be getting it on a less regular basis slightly frightened me. So I began beta behavious (I knew about the game and tried to control it…but couldn’t completely until now 10 months later that i realize a lot of what I did was incorrect).

    The more I invested during the time period of which is was plainly obvious the relationship was changing…the more hand I lost. I wish I went on radio silence at a couple moments of disrespect (like you mention in a previous article). I did not have the proper game to handle this and I began wanting her more and more…and couldn’t control it. So instead of acting aloof and realizing and capitalizing on other options I became a beta.

    Finally ending up in me getting dumped in an embarrassing way….after I did a lot of things for this girl…that almost make me sick to think about now. I’m glad it all happened because it was a learning experience and was good that I went through it because now I know a lot of things were silly and foolish and no matter how hot the girl is there are always more women to meet with the proper game/skill/looks/humor.

    When you have no other immediate options and you are dating someone with higher dating market value…a beta switch goes off in your head. You do buy flowers…you do buy sappy cards/write love notes…I never saw myself even doing things like that but is almost hardwired into ourselves through years of hollywood bullshit cliche film direction with conveniently happy endings. If the story of this relationship was a movie the ending would be sad for the guy not a happy one. Those are the stories you don’t see so often in movies.

    Lastly, there is a beta trigger in every male’s head, especially with higher dating value women, but that shouldn’t stop a man from being willing to stop talking to her (radio silence), walk away from the relationship, or be a man and call her out on her bullshit and then stop talking to her. It really shouldn’t….what’s the worst thing? So you lose out on getting sex for a little while or a long while (depending on length of dry spell). It really isn’t the end of the world…but when you lose that moment of pride/self respect it is something that really stays with you and can damage you emotionally if you let it. Plenty of men have that happen to them all the time.

    The majority of us are not Tiger Woods. Some of us are alphas, some are greater/lesser betas…but nobody here is Tiger Woods and even he can be flawed. Know yourself, know your limits but also know that you deserve respect and no woman(moreso if marriage isn’t a factor) should command you like a puppy.

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  210. on December 1, 2009 at 1:42 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “but nobody here is Tiger Woods and even he can be flawed.”

    He’s a fucking golfer.

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  211. PA “Good vodka goes down smoothly, the cheap stuff has a rough unpleasant taste. “

    I remember seeing some web demo claiming you could run cheap rotgut through a brita water filter a couple of times, and it was indistinguishable from high end stuff.

    Since I don’t like drinking tasteless paint thinner, I never tried it, but if I ever develop an interest in the alcoholic equivalent of glue sniffing, maybe I will.

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  212. joel

    I wonder if women project their own motives for cheating onto men who cheat on them? If they knew how superficial the motives of cheating men are, that is, they are very likely not thinking about abandoning the relationship, rather, just looking for some fun, they might not get so mad. Well, projection is a common failing.

    Just one more reason not to marry.

    That’s exactly what women do, and what our culture more or less encourages them to do — “since men and women are really mostly the same, at root.”

    Not only do women project their own motives for cheating but even more they project their own sense of how much it would likely affect their continuing love feelings for their spouse, if/when they started having strong feelings for the man they were cheating with. This is I think the bigger factor in American women’s craziness on the subject. Women used to be taught that this isn’t necessarily or even very often so, at least if the marriage was at all healthy, just a bit stale, beforehand. But that was a long time ago, more in the 19th than most of the 20th century.

    Partly this is just wired in and partly it’s a consequence of something else that’s usually wired in – female craving from submission to a dominant male. There’s a big difference psychologically between submitting to a sexually dominant and thrilling man, and conquering a new and pretty and ultimately submissive woman. The dominant can and often does want more than one submissive. The submissive tends to want to be submissive to only one dominant at a time, meaning an extended time measured in years at least, her sexual and emotional master when taken to the revealing extreme.

    It’s revealing of more usual levels of female sexually submissive feelings and what goes with that, as well.

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  213. roissy,

    the guy who let his xbox be smashed like that and then watch the woman laugh about it is automatically fucking beta of the month. that woman would have spent the worst hours of her life if she would have done anything like that to me.

    it is irrelevant whether she does it to the xbox, favorite book or gym equipment. she would be in fucking emotional pain for days…

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  214. anonymous black man fo’ sho’ed

    this is the 21st century. who said that we still had to be limited to our own race? if i, a black man, see a good looking white woman walk by, i cant pretend she didnt give me an erection. this “stick to my race” thing is so dated. stick to what makes you happy.

    It is pretty dated. Like Tiggy dated just about every white woman he ever met, according to the new whores coming out of the woodwork.

    Wonder what The Kraken would say if Newt Gingrich, Ellen DeGeneres and Donald Trump only dated da sistas.

    Hot women will tastelessly fuck anything – beta or alpha – as long as they have money, power and fame.

    They’re whores

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  215. “The former is quite obviously what he/she meant.”

    It’s not obvious to me, since it does not logically follow that marriage partners must be equal in social status.

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  216. @Aero…

    Help me out with this one… best friend of my wife announces to her beta’ish husband that she wants to explore sexual relationships with other women. After thinking about it, he agrees and gives her ‘permission’ to do so. They have 2 kids…

    My wife is full of ‘you go girl admiration’ and impressed that the husband is so cool about it. ‘What an amazing relationship they must have…’ etc

    I didn’t hear anyone else chime in so I’ll have a go. It’s just my $.02… but it comes from someone married a long while and who’s seen numerous other marriages crash & burn by the wayside.

    First-off, the phrase, “wife announces to her beta’ish husband” should tell you all you need to know. That is, it sounds like she’s not considering his opinion; it isn’t his preference at all. This alone can’t be good. I wonder if your friend felt he simply had no choice; he was too weak to tell her that, if she indeed goes down this path, she shouldn’t bother coming back. He’ll change the locks, keep the kids.

    Second, in the context of an LTR and, furthermore, an LTR with kids, this idea just makes no sense. There’s nothing for the husband-friend (or yourself) to gain from it. How does it increase his hand? Does it make him more alpha? Does it bond the wife more to him as a result? Did his response factor in that the whole endeavor could be an elaborate shit test? Just the opposite. To all the above.

    Moreover, even if it’s “harmless” non-reproductive girl-on-girl motion, this whole endeavor could easily be a stalking horse to something else as told in the following current post on swinging as a form of cuckoldry:

    http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/12/backdoor-cuckoldry-girls-just-wanna.html

    Your own spider sense is right. Nothing to be gained by this for the man other than a possible short voyeuristic thrill. And that’s not worth the potential consequences.

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  217. Doug1, awesome posts.

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  218. I dunno what alpha could possibly mean anymore.

    Tiger Woods an alpha? WTF?

    He’s top of his game, he’s wealthy, he’s famous, and he’s not too ugly (though a bit dorky looking). Yes.

    But he doesn’t scare me. About the only thing I would readily concede to him is that he’d beat me in a round of golf.

    Really.

    But I envy him nothing. He doesn’t have that vibe of someone further up the chain. He doesn’t have the personality.

    And he’s going bald.

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  219. on December 1, 2009 at 9:20 pm Willard Libby

    mongo

    Tiger Woods an alpha? WTF?

    But he doesn’t scare me.

    Omegas would probably “scare” you more than alphas. An ugly, low IQ degenerate is probably more frightening to the average person than a handsome, “ladykiller Alpha.

    But I envy him nothing. He doesn’t have that vibe of someone further up the chain. He doesn’t have the personality.

    And he’s going bald.

    He’s one of the all time best at what he does, he’s nearly a billionaire, he’s still young, he’s world famous, has an above average looking wife/breeder, is worshiped by White male corporate dorks like he’s a God and he has sex with all the beautiful White girls he wants.

    He’s dorky. So. He’s a dorky alpha.

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  220. Take it easy Willard. So he’s an alpha to you. I get it.

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  221. mongo

    Take it easy Willard. So he’s an alpha to you. I get it.

    A dorky alpha. The kid plays golf, I don’t expect Sean Connery from 1963. Although Sean Connery is a good golfer.

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  222. on December 2, 2009 at 12:13 am msexceptiontotherule

    “Gunslingergregi
    That is why whether your a billionaire or not you better inform the woman before marriage what’s up with what you gonna do. Fuck sneaking around be blunt.”

    Reminds me of a scene in an episode of “Rome” where the young emperor Octavian informs his about-to-be wife that he will “On occasion strike her and sometimes beat her with a light whip” but not because he is angry with her, simply because it gives him pleasure to do so, as he’s into that kinky sort of thing. Hey, at least he’s straightforward about his proclivities.

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  223. However, banging a (legit) 8+ who is a skeevy ho who wants you only for social proof is still bordering on Alpha territory because her legs will clamp shut if Jim from accounting tries to get some.

    Why would her legs clamp shut? Why wouldn’t she fuck Jim? Her rich/famous Beta male will probably forgive her for her indiscretions. Happens all the time.

    Just because Tiger’s wife fucked up his ride with a golf club doesn’t mean she isn’t on some other guys dick either. Dollar to donuts she has cheated on him…and he knows about it…while they were dating…and he married her anyway. I’ll go ahead and disagree with Roissy here. Her psychobitch act would never fly with an Alpha husband. She knows she can get away with it with Tiger though. I don’t know any Alphas with psychobitch girlfriends or wives.

    If a guy can only secure the love of a woman because of his resources; he is the very definition of a provider Beta. That is what a provider Beta is. A guy with a lot of resources is going to draw in a lot of women looking for access to them. That isn’t Alpha at all.

    An Alpha is an Alpha even if he isn’t fucking rich or famous; although he could be obviously. Not every person with money and/or fame in the history of the world has been an Alpha.

    And no; you can’t exempt prostitutes from the equation. If access to pussy is the sole indicator of Alpha status a nutless Omega who gets a decent job and can afford regular access to bought pussy becomes Alpha; by this definition. Take it or leave it.

    If it is a professional arrangement only; then presumably Tiger’s wife has access to her own resources comparable to Tiger’s without him and she doesn’t give a fuck about his money and fame. If that isn’t the case; their relationship is by necessity a professional one. She is a whore. She, and you, are just rationalizing it otherwise.

    If a woman’s attraction is based almost entirely on her having access to your resources you are a provider Beta (or worse). End of story. That’s just the way it is.

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  224. “No chance he can stay faithful. Just like Chris Rock said….”A man is only as faithful as his options.”

    that last part did not make sense..sorry..faithful as his options? as in options being faithful? its ‘a man is only as good as his options’

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  225. From a male learning perspective, this whole thing is simple – Don’t marry someone who exposes her most sacred and valuable parts on camera for money or er… does more than that. Unless she’s really conscious and reflected about it, and it’s really not for the money. In that case it’s still a big chance, but it might be worth taking. Basically, if you can only get sluts, fuck’em, don’t marry ’em.

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  226. Just because Tiger raaawr Woods appears to be a great icon for multiculturalism because he’s good, good looking and mixed race doesn’t mean he actually is what media owners and the like want him to be. Even though he’s a great golfer, he’s basically there because his army brute father forced him to, not because he wanted it by himself. Now that his father is dead and he’s starting to grow older, no wonder he’s cracking. Noone ages worse than old child stars.

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  227. After scanning through the comments, some guys writing here, should consider SRSLY not getting married! You are mean, bitter and self absorbed beyond what could be consider normal, and you would make another persons life a hell, get a dog, or sorry i take that back, i mean get a goldfish.

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  228. biktopia

    After scanning through the comments, some guys writing here, should consider SRSLY not getting married! You are mean, bitter and self absorbed beyond what could be consider normal, and you would make another persons life a hell

    c’mon quit exaggerating. that stuff may be true about me, but that still barely qualifies me as a dula in Germania. maybe a cultural sensitivity case worker in Koln.

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  229. Fire, I didn’t talk about you, i didn’t want to give out names, but i had a bad day otherwise so im upset in general, but some guys here are clearly morons for interactions with people in general.,

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  230. Sure they’re morons.
    This blog is FULL of them.

    what’s important is You’re OK with me. If you weren’t, you’d really know it. trust me. it sucks you had a bad day but you’ll get over it.

    I have a soft spot for hungarian girls. their really nice and besides, i need a place to stay when I’m in Budapest.

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  231. lol,, you are not biting my head off because you need to stay at someone while in hungary, well im glad you feel some sort of interest to come here.

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  232. SRLSY, biktopia? OMG! So what you’re saying is you don’t like someone here for some unclear reason, but you don’t want to tell who or why. That’s just profound, I’m so glad you shared that. Get back to us the moment you’re ready to tell, ok?

    This is basic vaj entitlement complex. Girls in the West nowadays are taught from an early age anything they think or do, usually an outburst of base emotions in conflict with observable and verifiable reality, is worth something because they have something that makes just being them valuable. Other cultures value girls sexuality to, but they don’t put women on a pedestal like we do.

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  233. Anonymous,

    “Why would her legs clamp shut? Why wouldn’t she fuck Jim? Her rich/famous Beta male will probably forgive her for her indiscretions. Happens all the time.”

    Why wouldn’t she fuck Jim from accounting? Because she’s a status-craving skeevy ho and that’s what they do. Don’t ask me to explain the inner workings of her brain because there ain’t much there. I just know that there are “Betas” that are getting a steady stream of 8+ pussy thrown at them (like literally… I’m positive that Tiger has had a girl come up to him and hand him her hotel room key) and you aren’t.

    “Her psychobitch act would never fly with an Alpha husband. She knows she can get away with it with Tiger though. I don’t know any Alphas with psychobitch girlfriends or wives.”

    Then you don’t know any really high-level Alphas because 90% of 9+ women are generally psychobitch crazy. I’m not talking about the really good looking girl on your college campus or local bar scene that you think is a 9. I’m talking about the magazine models, high-society girls, etc. Trust me, the guys banging them are Alpha as a motherfucker and I’ve seen their girls pull some crazy shit.

    “And no; you can’t exempt prostitutes from the equation. If access to pussy is the sole indicator of Alpha status a nutless Omega who gets a decent job and can afford regular access to bought pussy becomes Alpha; by this definition. Take it or leave it.”

    Access to pussy is not the sole indicator of Alpha status. Quality of potential lovers is the greatest indicator of Alpha status; ie, at the animal level, the ability to pass on your genetics with the most desirable mate. The depth and intensity of their love for you is the next indicator. You can mostly ignore prostitutes because they are trained to act as lovers, thus the depth and intensity that they feel in a sexual encounter is impossible to determine. I’ve known “weekend” Vegas girls (the kind of escorts that command such a crazy amount of money for one night that they live out of town and just fly in a few times a month when certain high rollers are in town) and they will tell how they love being with some of their clients and have to totally fake it with others. It’s just impossible to tell because they are paid to act. It’s like trying to figure out how smart David Krumholtz is by watching him play Professor Eppes on Numb3rs.

    And the if a nutless Omega has the kind of crazy money it takes to get an escort of that quality, then he’s not Alpha… but he’s a lot closer to it than Jim from accounting who “Games” his way into fucking a chubby 5 he met at the local Ruby Tuesday.

    “If a woman’s attraction is based almost entirely on her having access to your resources you are a provider Beta (or worse). End of story. That’s just the way it is.”

    And you can call Tiger a Beta all you want, but if he really wanted your girl and put time and effort into courting her… she’d be on his dick in less than a month. That’s just the way it is.

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  234. Well i naively hoped they would kind of get it themselves and i didnt have the energy to read all the commentators, but here is one,l,,

    “You are most likely a woman. Bitch! shut the fuck up .. The Dad should never be THAT close to his kids .. some measured distance earns respect and admiration … All a man is responsible for is to financially support the household .. he can do whatever the fuck he want with this dicretionary income .. Which son would not be proud of a dad who would constantly bang a 25 yr old mistress .. which daughter would not be proud of an alpha dad? Emotional availability my ass ..
    men should not be that accessible even to their own kids ..
    Im mean no commet, and i could screen through and find more weirdos,,,

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  235. i liked that bit at the end about dating a very low value woman in order to train oneself how to behave with women with higher SMV.

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  236. Damn, but all you alpha boys are good for a laugh.
    But seriously, don’t you think it’s time to pull on the big boy pants, and act like men?

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  237. The Tiger Woods Effect works in either direction

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  238. You need to do a story on “Foxy Knoxy as Maneater”: A modern day witch has been caught.

    Many in the Liberal Press are dismissing this murder as ‘Railroading of an Innocent abroad’ like some Henry James novel…..or Anti-Americanism.

    A few censored NYT blog comments are accurately casting her as a Socio-Path unable to stop smiling at her kill, female and male.

    She is a tumor on American Womanhood and in her most benign form has exposed a rotting foundation that is spreading unchecked far and wide in the USA.

    As many know, the “Jr. Year Abroad” has been a genteel fixture of young ladies seeking mediteranean lust for generations going back to Jackie-O. Most went, studied a bit, and slept alot with older Professors, young playboys and just swarthy locals who made their squeaky clean red-necks back home look bland. Then after sowing said wild oats, they came back and settled back in the USA, with none the wiser.

    None of this matters, except when the socio-path enters. Her shakles thrown off, she destroys at will. Cloaked in the novelty of the exotic, uninhibited American, she is the Blackwidow as Butterfly.

    Beware, her Myspace page is the Miss Jekyl/Hyde, that many game-players here engage on a daily basis and ‘know’. These are the women who endear rage, wrath, and fury in civilized man.

    Her herpes sores erupted only when trapped, revealing her rotting soul. Many more infest our society, not condemned by an ancient paternalstic society that will not accept a praying mantiss godess.

    Heed the warning: You have seen a witch.

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  239. I just read the 1997 Esquire article on Tiger by Charles Pierce. Pierce also provides a current update, in which he claims that Tiger was known as a “hound” and “chaser” even back in 97.

    Yet, when you read the 97 article, Tiger just comes across as a vile and somewhat weird fuck. He seems to constantly tell lame, pethetically stupid jokes. I mean really lame, yet he doesn’t tell them with any sense of irony, or “this is funny because it is really bad.” No, to Tiger this appears to be Grade A Material. Really top notch stuff. LOL!

    He also seems to spend a lot of time talking about nintendo, again, with no sense of irony.

    Other than telling stupid and vulgar jokes to some adoring salewomen, there is no indication that he has a girlfriend, or that he is banging chicks at all. No indication of anything that we would consider “game.” Instead, he seems to be jealous of the play that basketball players and baseball players get, as opposed to golfers.

    Other than his talent on the links, which is undisputed, he just comes across as a slightly off, somewhat weird piece of crap. You know that somewhat humorous, somewhat creepy guy that many groups of males keep around as a kind of mascot? A sort of hanger on amongst a group of beer buddies? That’s what Tiger would have been had he not been great on the greens.

    Until I see some real evidence, I’m going to stick with my friend’s version of events (related in a post above), which is that Tiger initially had no game to the point of weirdness, and only became a compulsive pussy hounder later. Still no game, it’s just that the weird fuck finally realized that he didn’t need it to bang as many white sluts as he could get his freakish paws on.

    As a sidenote, it really is amazing how the media can whitewash anybody it wants. Go back and read that old Esquire article, and then ask yourself how this guy was marketed as the soft spoken, aw shucks, super nice guy that allowed him to rake in endorsement money by the hundreds of millions. This guy who is telling the most vulgar, stupid and tasteless “muh dick” type jokes to salesgirls? Alpha or not, at the very least it is clear that the guy had absolutely no class.

    Again, read the article. The guy is a lame douchebag. It shines through.

    Not that we don’t see this sort of media b.s. all the time. Take Britney Spears being marketed as the doe eyed, wholesome, virginal small town girl…when in fact she is just a dumb slut.

    Or Obama being marketed as a super nice, classy guy. Anbody seen the vids of him doing the 9th grade “middle finger while pretending to rub his face” routine? Absolutely pathetic.

    Fuck the major media. Thank god for the internet.

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  240. My best friend back then was alpha; his one dork-demerit being golf-luv.

    He was always yapping about Tiger, trying to put that shit on TV. I’d switch to football.

    Finally, sick of his bromance, I used my superior body language reading skills and deemed Tiger “an asshole who’s a pussy – the worst possible combination.”

    I was correct. What’s more: All along, I knew I was correct.

    Tiger juicing up on the Human Growth Hormone still doesn’t negate my judgment one fucking bit.

    Nice traps, dude.
    (triple pun intended)
    fuckin’ ay, am i clever

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  241. Follow up! The Tiger Woods Effect

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  242. Beta.

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  243. interesting post roissy
    particularly the part:
    “The Tiger Woods Effect works in either direction. Look back on your own dating career. With which women did you behave in the most wretchedly beta manner? The hot ones, right?”
    for me, it wasn’t a woman who was stereotypically “hot”
    she was cute, but certainly not hot by any means
    no more than a 6
    but what got me acting like a total beta with her was her WHR (~0.7) and her fervour between the sheets
    she shit tested like there was no tomorrow once she got a whiff of beta from me (the exact opposite of the early months where i unknowingly behaved more alpha-like with my nonchalance and irregular contact)

    interestingly, i find central european women (like her) tend to have a more desirable WHR than their hibernian/anglo counterparts – my theory on this is that their prolonged use of the pill for several decades now, has resulted in a lowering of the WHR with each successive generation

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