Which Is Harder On A Woman’s Looks: Fat Or Aging?

The pursuit of deep philosophical inquiry is a heritage of the West. This post continues in that noble tradition.

For purposes of comparison we begin our thought experiment with two slender (~ BMI 19) 20 year old women of above average attractiveness. They are both at the peak of their beauty. Which will steal their most valuable asset the quickest and render them sexually worthless — the horrors of aging or the disfigurement of obesity? Let’s find out!

Girl A is our gluttonous subject. Boy, does she like food. Recently, her boyfriend got complacent with the regular sex and regressed to a house trained beta, prompting her to fill the emptiness in her vaj-shaped soul with Krispy Kreme donuts.

Girl B is our control. She has good eating and exercise habits (read: primal diet. not a vegetarian. lifts weights. doesn’t run marathons.) and stays slim. The only force that takes a toll on her beauty is aging, which happens to everyone. Assuming average genetics, she will age about as fast as the typical woman, meaning a slow decline up to 30, then a rapid acceleration to the wall between 30 and 40, followed by an afterburner turbocharge at the point of impact sometime around age 45, after which she will be invisible to all men except the most desperate herb dregs.

We begin the experiment. There are 3500 calories in a pound of body fat, and 200 calories in a Krispy Kreme original glazed donut. Girl A goes on a donut bender and eats 1.05 Krispy Kreme donuts per week per year. 1.05 Krispy Kreme donuts per week doesn’t sound like much, does it ladies? Keep reading. She does not substitute smaller portions in her other meals or increased physical activity to counterbalance the extra calories from the donuts. At this rate of donut consumption, Girl A adds 5 pounds of unsightly fat to her frame every year. Keep in mind, too, that Girl A is aging as well as getting larger.

Meanwhile, our control, Girl B, has been suffering the indignity of aging without her even knowing it for the first five years or so after age 20. But unseen at the molecular level, her body is breaking down. From age 20 to 21, no one will really notice a change, especially not her boyfriend who sees her every day. Only in the aggregate over blocks of a few years will an outward change become noticeable. From 20 to 25, her body remains tight and right, while her face sheds some of that exquisitely soft baby fat of her late teen years and becomes more chiseled, angular. At age 25, she is still near-peak in facial beauty, but subtle changes have taken hold; her skin no longer glows without artificial accentuation (ladies pinch, whores rouge) and her flesh has lost some gravity-defying firmness. She would not pass the quarter bounce off a Marine’s cot test, but her ass remains delightfully squeezeable.

Now we do the first set of comparisons.

  • At one year in (21 years old) Girl A is five pounds heavier. Since she is young, the fat sits on her well. Her boyfriend notices the small weight gain, but his boner is largely unaffected. He continues fucking her joyfully, although his eye wanders a little more when they’re out in public together.
  • At 21 years old, Girl B has aged one year. Superficially, no change in her beauty. Her boyfriend is none the wiser of the tragedy that will eventually befall his beloved.

What happens at age 25?

  • At 25, Girl A has gained 25 pounds. Trouble brewing! Her boyfriend definitely notices her added padding, but mostly chooses to avoid confronting her about it, instead prefering the method of passive aggressive mutterings about other women’s skinniness, hoping that will spur her to get back in shape. He is beginning to regret spending 20K on that diamond engagement ring. His eye wanders a lot more now, he showers her with fewer compliments, and the frequency of their sex has dropped in half. He stays an hour later at work.
  • At 25, Girl B has aged five years. Her face has become mature, having sloughed off the last remnants of teen years softness and firmness. A tiny hint of crows’ feet appears, along with a few dimples of cottage cheese where the bottom of the ass meets the hamstrings. She is attractive, but in a different, less feminine way now; her’s is the attractiveness of a strident hard-charger, piercing the air before her like a wedge of sharpened flesh when she walks down the street. Good exercise habits have delayed any major drooping of her ass. Her boyfriend still finds her hot, but familiarity and the ancient stirrings of his manly seed-spreading spirit have caused his eye to dilate with greater gusto when appreciating the delicacies of younger women.

On to age 30.

  • At 30, Girl A is 50 pounds heavier. Oh my. She has formally left “chubby” and “pleasingly plump” euphemistic territory and entered the land of lardasses. The fat refuses to sit on her well; it hangs dolorously, it balloons insultingly. Her tits, while bigger, are also more pendulous, completely negating whatever benefit larger tits normally confer. Her boyfriend has stopped looking at her naked body entirely, and sex has dwindled to once a month with the lights off. She attempts to assuage her bruised ego by reigniting his passion with sex toys, lingerie, and pole dancing, but the effect on him is like that of watching a dog poop; sort of intriguing in its repulsiveness, and darkly humorous in the straining which accompanies the act. He has stopped giving her compliments or gifts, and forgets important dates, like her birthday. He stays at work two hours late. On the bright side, all that fat helps conceal the wrinkles normally associated with a woman turning 30.
  • At 30, Girl B has aged ten years. She, like Girl A, has crossed a Rubicon. There was a quickening diminishment of her beauty from age 25 to 30, but during that time she at least could console herself that dim lighting, exercise, and makeup were sufficient to hide from the general public the horrors besieging her from every quadrant. She looked in the mirror and she could still say to herself, with eroding certainty, that she was a hot commodity. Her boyfriend mostly seemed to agree with her self-assessment. After all, he was still with her, despite a couple episodes of cheating and that unfortunate incident when she found the receipt for a cubic zirconia ring. He doesn’t compliment as much, their sex life has become a bit routine, and he works an hour later every day, but mostly things are good.

35.

  • 35 years old. Girl A is 75 pounds over her 20 year old weight. She is a whale. Her boyfriend, having neither the courage nor the game to leave her for a sexier woman, sticks around out of a false sense of duty, and pity. Sex has stopped, except for those few times he’s so horny that he wakes her up with his dick in her mouth. She loves these times, as she imagines it shows he still desires her, but when she sucks him off and tries to guide his hardon down to her flabby distended pussy lips, his cock goes limp, quivering in fear. He has nightmares of her bloated labia attacking him, two roast beefs slapping him in the side of his head, over and over. As he no longer feels any urgency to please his fat girlfriend (he appealed to her lofty feminism and stated that marriage was a patriarchal conspiracy), he has regressed to a lesser beta, whacking off constantly to porn, throwing himself into his meaningless career, and playing video games til 3am. Girl A cries herself to sleep every night.
  • At 35, Girl B is 15 years older than her peak beauty. The deterioration has begun in earnest. There is no more hiding the ravages of aging; makeup, exercise, yoga, and night vision goggles can’t stop her face from betraying her lost beauty. Crows’ feet and laugh lines are permanently embedded. Hollowness perpetually encircles her eyes. Her skin has become inelastic, and her ass, finally, after years of squats in the gym, droops resignedly, as if to say “You gave it your best shot, but I’m tired. Let me go.” Luckily, she is still thin, almost at the same weight she was at 20, and her boyfriend, though he cannot deny that younger women excite his member more vigorously than she does, still finds pleasure in boffing her. Sure, it isn’t the visceral pleasure it once was, but he gets off, and that’s a day’s pay. But much else has changed for the worse. Compliments have dropped off to the level of the boyfriend with the 25 year old fattie girlfriend. He used to surprise her with flowers and nights out on the town. Now he surprises her if he comes home from work on time. He has cheated with a much younger woman, but hides it. He feels no shame for his infidelity, only a compulsion to continue doing it.

40.

  • Girl A is 100 pounds overweight. She is so disgusting to look at it arouses her loser boyfriend to physically strike at her in anger and hopelessness. She is having health problems, struggling to climb stairs or walk a few blocks. Her boyfriend refuses to go out in public with her; one time, when they were at the mall, he purposefully walked 20 paces ahead of her, and when a cute Banana Republic salesgirl asked him, when his fat wife was out of earshot, if he and his wife needed assistance, he, like the apostle Peter, denied his affiliation with her.
  • Girl B is on the cusp of sexual worthlessness, and she knows it. Wrinkles adorn her face, dimples dot her flesh, gray streaks her hair. Depressingly, her areolae have grown to the size of small saucer plates. But she is thin, which puts her head and shoulders above 80% of women her age in attractiveness. She can continue denying the reality closing in on her like a ripper in the night, because older men, chained to fat wives and out of the running for younger women, eye her up like an oasis in the desert. When a man thinks he has a chance, he allows his arousal to reach a fever pitch. Her boyfriend, though, has finally given up pretending to be attracted to her. Sex has become perfunctory, a chore not much more pleasant than taking a good piss. He throws himself into his career, his genetic algorithm impelling him to amass status and resources for a trade up to a more fertile woman.

Conclusion

Fat is the boner killer. Five years into the experiment, at age 25, Girl A’s relationship has degraded to the point of hurting her pride as a woman, while Girl B continues enjoying the love and affection of her lover. At age 30, ten years on, both women suffer the indignities associated with losing sexual market value, but Girl A, at 50 pounds heavier, has hit the wall sooner, and harder, than Girl B. At 30, Girl A is sexually worthless, and unlove-able. Girl B remains sexually enticing, though less so than at age 20, but enough of her value remains that her boyfriend does not entertain leaving her to try his hand at an upgrade.

At age 35, Girl A has gone from bad to worse. She is not only unfuckable, she is unwatchable. Whatever other good she does in her life (feed the homeless, help the starving children in Africa) is overshadowed by her grotesque rolls of blubber. People avoid interacting with her for fear of contracting a loser virus. Meanwhile, Girl B continues getting sex from her boyfriend, if not love. People enjoy talking with her, though she can’t help but notice that men’s eyes don’t light up like they used to when she walks in a room with a low-cut blouse and a thigh-revealing skirt.

At 40 it’s all over for Girl A. She is ballast on society. If she died, no one would miss her.

At 40, Girl B has accepted that the greatest source of her power, and hence, her happiness, is gone — her beauty teases with hints of a former loveliness, but that’s all it is; a tease. The men she finds most desirable don’t even see her. The men she sorta finds attractive are barely moved in her presence. The men she used to find unattractive and ignore she now talks and flirts with unabashedly, and only after much effort on her part does she get nibbles of sexual interest from some of these men. But worst of all, the absolute bottom of the barrel men hit on her relentlessly, like they never used to do, and this depresses her mightily. Girl B, lonely from the inattention of her boyfriend/husband, seeks an affair. To accomplish this, she has learned the art of the coquettish cougar pawing, whereby much skin is displayed and all coyness is tossed out the window.

What we have learned from this thought experiment is that fat hastens the day of reckoning by about fifteen years. So if you are a young fat chick, lose the weight pronto, cause you’re throwing away the best years of your life.

My advice to the ladies: Stay slender, and stay 21. Then you, too, can enjoy relationship exactness and complementarity!





Comments


  1. on September 29, 2009 at 1:30 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    FAT! No contest, women can stay hot well into 40s with good exercise habits, which absolutely none of them have since lifting weights is too hard apparently.

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  2. Girl A is doomed.
    Girl B will do fine if she settles early.

    Now if we introduced Girl C, who instead of being a vegetarian went into paleo dieting, you will notice that not only will she be fit, but she will look younger than Girl B after 30.

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  3. on September 29, 2009 at 1:38 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    If there are any porkers reading, get the fuck off your elliptical and :
    http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki

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  4. on September 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm ironrailsironweights

    As long as both of them have thick, flavorful GNP’s, who cares?

    [editor: discriminating men.]

    Peter

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  5. That’s why a girl around 21-22 needs to find an alpha or greater beta marriage material guy 8-12 years older than her ASAP, even 15+ years older if their personalities really click.

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  6. christ this is depressing.

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  7. Come to SoCal, Roissy. There are a lot of women who are in their mid-30s who are very bangable. HGH is a wonderful drug.

    Your point still stands: Fat is the bonder killer.

    Still, your female readers can delay aging with diet, exercise, and good drugs.

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  8. on September 29, 2009 at 1:49 pm gunslingergregi

    Dam Roissy That is some writing right there.

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  9. christ this is depressing

    Are you a woman? If you are, having a smartly-chosen husband a good decade older than you, and children, will give your life meaning.

    If you are a man… yeah, it’s depressing.

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  10. Many times I have walked on some street in Medellin behind a young girl with a banging body, dressed to the 9’s with high heels and a walk that hints at explosive sex. And then at a red light I get a look at her face and she’s 40 or older. Aging has taken its ravage hold but she’s still beautiful and I’d hit in these milfs (or gilfs) in a second, as I believe most men would.

    What you write here is as much cultural as genetic. In the nice parts of Medellin older women take GREAT PRIDE into looking hot up to 50 years or so. Frumpy and dumpy American women have no clue.

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  11. No matter what I keep telling my dick
    about zestfully, vigorously fucking a granny
    [when I get that age,]
    it just won’t listen.

    My cock goes into retirement, gradually & gracefully.

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  12. I’d do a thin, pleasant-looking 50 year old woman before I’d do a fat 19 year old.

    (I’m in my late 30s, btw.)

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  13. on September 29, 2009 at 1:52 pm Deus Ex Machina

    Second the starting strength recommendation. My copy will be passed along to my nephew when he is ready.

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  14. on September 29, 2009 at 1:56 pm gunslingergregi

    Rhoosh would you suggest driving to medelin is that possible or recomended.

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  15. Aging….having fat keeps you youthful looking.

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  16. I’m going back on that one…..you didn’t say morbidly obese…you just said fat. Having fat keeps you looking younger. Being a whale kills you faster. I’m thinking the larger girl wouldn’t make it to 40.

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  17. I agree with PA, this isn’t even close. A woman who takes care of herself and stays and good shape can stay attractive for a very long time. Fat is the #1 attraction killer.

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  18. The worst thing in the world is the 50 year-old former hottie who still has that goddamn ego because she is thin and has a gym subscription. It’s become my personal mission to crush them by calling them old right to their bony faces. Goddamn bar cougars, die already.

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  19. Many times I have walked on some street in Medellin behind a young girl with a banging body, dressed to the 9’s with high heels and a walk that hints at explosive sex. And then at a red light I get a look at her face and she’s 40 or older. Aging has taken its ravage hold but she’s still beautiful and I’d hit in these milfs (or gilfs) in a second, as I believe most men would.

    What you write here is as much cultural as genetic. In the nice parts of Medellin older women take GREAT PRIDE into looking hot up to 50 years or so. Frumpy and dumpy American women have no clue.

    jesus christ they arent beautiful at 40 plus, you and I both know thats bunk, please !

    and most men would nto hit this women, thats just wrong wrong wrong and you know it

    it enitrely biological, not cultural, as all cultures pefer young women, its been studied to death and common sesne should previal

    NEXT

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  20. The worst thing in the world are 19-35-year old fatties who stomp around with grotesque egos because of a steady supply of o m e g a s, beaten men, and bottomfeeders who will kiss their lardy, impossible to fully wipe, multilayered asses, and will even bang them.

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  21. My advice to the ladies: Stay slender, and stay 21.

    i will echo the comment i left on the last post: you can keep the 21yr olds, at least for anything more than banging.

    i’m not going all the way to the other side and embracing all that women-ist, “you go, girl” nonsense about women hitting their prime in their 30s and 40s. men definitely tend to age better, but most of also spend our early years oblivious to the female mind and ignorant to how social status works, so a little bit of an advantag later in life just evens things out.

    as for 21yr olds, i find them more annoying than Wendy Schwartz. 21yr old girls too easily gravitate toward one extreme or the other. they are either completely vacuous, with nothing to talk about except clothes and the latest episode of the hills, or they adopt an attitude of pseudo-intellectualism and faux-worldliness, and swear they know everything about everything. at least by their mid-20s many women have enough life experience to be interesting and enough humility to realize they don’t know it all… well, at least outside of DC.

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  22. PA
    “That’s why a girl around 21-22 needs to find an alpha or greater beta marriage material guy 8-12 years older than her ASAP, even 15+ years older if their personalities really click.”

    New here, and I’m sure this has been talked about in the past, but….

    Does this actually happen? I’m 27 and find most 19-year-olds are way too wary of being with a guy that much older. They assume that all the older guy wants to do its fuck (which is true), and its a huge barrier I can’t overcome.

    Maybe I’m being too creepy of an older guy?

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  23. Does it happen? anecdotally, yes. At my near-mid-30s I married a girl in her early 20s. My sister married a cool guy 10 years her senior. My best buddy has a wife 8 years younger than him. It works great.

    You aren’t gonna get much traction with 19 year olds because they are still overgrown children, but smarter girls at 22-23 are very marriage-minded.

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  24. Loveeeeee this post, it’s just the sort of stuff I like to read and think about! Catherine Deneuve famously said something like, “Once you get older one must choose between your face, or your a$$.” Being a little bit fuller weight wise does help with filling out wrinkles. I think this is why injectables are even bigger than Botox now for making women look younger. Without having to compromise her hot slim body, a gir can a skilled PS to fill in those big and small lines. Some of the heavier fillers can be used to fill out hollowed cheekbones, there is one that is used by AIDS patients for a similar purpose. Cosmetic surgery is not the solution, there is usually still a minor or major look of falseness in certain light conditions oe angles. But it helps… If anything, Girl B’s husband can look at his wife who has gottenthe best fillers, Botox, lasers, skin and hair care, workouts and diet money can buy and know his wife is hotter than all the other 30/40 year olds out there.

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  25. Seems to me that Roissy did not compare fat and aging. He compared aging alone with fat and aging together.

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  26. How fortunate I am to be Chinese, and am therefore genetically gifted with a higher metabolic rate AND neotonous features : D!

    No wonder white women hate us.

    Interesting tidbit: women who don’t overindulge makeup will enjoy healthier, younger looking skin in the future.

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  27. Aging. one of Roissy’s favorite topics. Let’s talk about the aging…………………. of *erections. *

    age 22: he’s a frisky puppy. a faithful endless guyser of fun. she can barely keep up. she sometimes gets sore from all the action.

    age 35: his erections are more controlled and predictably satiated; no soreness. The volume is noticeably less, but of no concern to her.

    age 45: she notices that he no longer bumps into her cervix, irregardless of position, ; advantageous overall.

    age 47: they’ve teased about impotence, and how they’ll each respond. One night, for the first time, she absolutely can not feel him, while he doesn’t notice a problem. Very scarry to her. She spares him concern and doesn’t mention it. It happens only 2-3 times yearly, but is a disappointment to her. He’s generous and attentive to her in other ways, so still many orgasms for her. She”s a little wistful of his diminished responsiveness, but having known him since age 22, she still sees him for the virile sexy amazing man that he is.

    Could it be his health? His blood pressure and cholesterol are stellar, not a smoker, no diabetes: so his arterial vascular pipes are likely clean.

    Could it be her? Well, she still looks good,

    [editor: and this is where your analogy fails.]

    and she has personally spoken with older men who use Viagra to visit prostitutes.

    She reads that Donald Trump fathered a child in his sixties. No reason to doubt it , but Melania, no doubt, must occasionally provide extra physical stimulation to make it work.

    So, I totally agree with Roissy, on the cold hard facts of aging………………of erections.

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  28. I’m not sure this investigates the question in the title that well. If you compare a fat woman and a skinny woman at each same age, then there is no control. What you want is to consider a fat woman who stays 25 versus a skinny woman who ages. Skinny will always be hotter than fat, and young will always be hotter than old, but if you hold the other variable constant, hotness has a stronger correlation with youth than with skinniness. Look at it this way – if you had to bang one to save your life, you’d pick a fat 25-year-old over a skinny 60-year-old and you wouldn’t think twice about it.

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  29. Also, by age 30-40 I think most women would be better suited to focusing on motherly and wifely duties, but not to the exclusion of keeping herself looking hot as well. I wonder if that would help her still keep her man’s admiration, if not as a sexy girl but as the “mother of his children.” Being a mother used to mean a position of respect… It still does in some cultures.

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  30. on September 29, 2009 at 2:46 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””vainofstars
    How fortunate I am to be Chinese, and am therefore genetically gifted with a higher metabolic rate AND neotonous features : D!

    No wonder white women hate us.

    Interesting tidbit: women who don’t overindulge makeup will enjoy healthier, younger looking skin in the future.
    ”””””””””””””’

    They don’t hate you quite yet but when foreign marriages start being a higher percentage of marriage than marriages to us woman then yea houston will have a problem.

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  31. on September 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””’Could it be her? Well, she still looks good,

    [editor: and this is where your analogy fails.]

    and she has personally spoken with older men who use Viagra to visit prostitutes.

    She reads that Donald Trump fathered a child in his sixties. No reason to doubt it , but Melania, no doubt, must occasionally provide extra physical stimulation to make it work.

    So, I totally agree with Roissy, on the cold hard facts of aging………………of erections.
    ””””””””””””””””””

    Cold hard facts. 3 guys I knew over age 70 all fathered kids with young woman. So yea I don’t think there is an aging erection problem.

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  32. “PA
    You aren’t gonna get much traction with 19 year olds because they are still overgrown children, but smarter girls at 22-23 are very marriage-minded.”

    Got it. 19ers are too dumb to realize the appeal of an older man. Makes sense.

    But man, they do look hot, don’t they?

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  33. on September 29, 2009 at 2:52 pm Usually Lurking

    One thing that rarely gets mentioned about fat girls is the difficulty in telling their age. I have seen fat girls who were supposedly in their 20’s and I might have been off by as much as 15 years if I were to have guessed their age.

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  34. [editor: and this is where your analogy fails.]

    Roissy, I’m not analogizing nothing.

    [editor: yes you are. you whisked out your cloying ode to the aging of men’s erections in response to my delusion-stripping post about the abject horror that aging brings to women’s sex market value. the attempt at an analogy couldn’t be clearer.]

    You become desperate to deny reality.

    [says the cunt who thinks a wife’s fading beauty has no effect on his ability to sport wood.]

    I’ll save some Viagra for you.

    [borrowing from your husband?]

    p.s. How are your weight goals coming along? My best of wishes for you.

    [i’m not fat. you must be thinking of your reflection.]

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  35. Always, always always look at the older women in her family for a good indication what the end of the tracks looks like.

    Go for the good genes. Perhaps a girl with some eastern or southern European blood. They handle the mileage like a Honda versus some American chicks that rust out. In either case, you’ll know when its time to trade her in for a new model.

    The worst thing modern equality and feminism has done to healthy relationships is promote career first in a young woman’s life. She will never be as beautiful as that again, and no other asset besides beauty is so valuable.

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  36. Roissy’s calculation is correct. Fat is a no-no.

    As far as Girl B, just an anecdotal piece of evidence —

    Two of the hottest girls in my HS class (to me anyway – they were both in the Top 3 or 4 ILF) are, at 40, untouchable (despite not being fat.)

    So I’d have to agree with Roissy. Mother nature’s a motherfucker.

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  37. I have to disagree and say that extra age trumps extra weight, probably because I just came from a gym full of taut, toned, athletic – and hideous – 40+ workout addict housewives. Give me a plump teenager over them any day.

    I’ve read (probably here) that an older man can still pull younger women, but his game needs to be much tighter, the older he gets. The game/success curve steepens with age.

    I think there’s a similar effect of age on the weight/hotness curve for women. A 30-year old woman can still look smoking, but she has to work a lot harder and maintain a much higher fitness level to do so. A 29-year old girl who hasn’t been in gym her whole life can look and feel amazing, even with 10-15 extra pounds. Once a woman hits late-20’s though, every pound of unnecessary fat will loudly and saggily anounce itself.

    Cheers,

    Zdeno

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  38. Check out this pickup artist

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  39. @Guns,

    Cold hard facts. 3 guys I knew over age 70 all fathered kids with young woman. So yea I don’t think there is an aging erection problem.

    did you personally see it happen? what dose of Viagra did they use? did you personally see the extra physical effort their partners made?

    I am not in any way denigrating the sex lives of men in their seventies. I will however, state unapologetically, that a woman can not view her partner in the virile context of his twenties if she wasn’t with him at the time.

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  40. the fat of course.

    anyway i do agree on the marathon/running thing also.
    men don’t need to run for long distances either, for both sexes if you run for a long time it will later on create a sagging neck. as your foot hits the ground it sends shockwaves throughout your body and the neck flaps. shit builds up in time, and your fucked looking like a damn pelican.
    its better if you just take walks, and lift weights.

    but either way getting old has to suck.(i dont feel it yet)

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  41. Best advice given by an older man that I was privy: A Finnish vet that fought the Soviets in the winter war told my Army buddy not to marry and have kids until he was 50.

    This advice was given this year, 2009. The guy was still spry and looked young. Had two lovely daughters conceived with a wife many, many years his junior.

    Don’t listen to the shaming language: you won’t be a sex machine, but you are still very fertile well into your golden years guys. Should you want that kind of legacy.

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  42. @Roissy,

    to my delusion-stripping post about the abject horror that aging brings to women’s sex market value.

    you and your minions here, can use a bit of delusion-stripping.

    [editor: does an aging wife’s fading beauty have an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

    Cold hard facts:
    –as men age, only $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or status will compensate for loss of youth.

    [you sure it’s not $$$$$? anyhow, you’re wrong. game and charisma also go a long way for older men.]

    –as men age, erections pale compared to their 22 year old selves.

    [pair a 70 year old man with a 20 year old hottie and watch as his erection magically returns. ha haw!]

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  43. Roissy…..men DO NOT age better…you need to quit fooling yourself and the men who read this blog.

    [editor: men age better on two metrics: the relative metric and the absolute metric. relative to women, a man’s aging is not as deleterious for his prospects in the dating market. and as an absolute measure, as long as obesity is avoided, men simply look better as they age. must be something to do with their thicker skin, as women wrinkle sooner than men.]

    As for older men not sporting wood because of their wives thats crap, gimmie a break! LIE! I thought those perished on your blog.

    [more precisely, a man will have a harder time getting aroused for his aging, has-been wife than he would for fresh young pussy. what part of that strikes you as a pretty lie?]

    Sex with a 20 year old man and a 38 year old man is different…..VERY DIFFERENCE. Older men can NOT last longer or bounce back as quick, and you know it, stop trying to fool people. Just drinking a beer can hinder an older man’s erection, not just his visual.

    [you have to disentangle biological senescence factors from arousal factors. a 38 year old man is going to be less aroused by a 38 year old woman than he would by a 20 year old woman, assuming roughly equal facial beauty and slenderness.]

    By the way…you’re hitting the late 30’s here Roissy….how’s that going for you?

    [sounds like my post hit a raw nerve. birthday coming up, amestris?]

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  44. @Da Truth,

    Don’t listen to the shaming language:

    My words were not “shaming language”. They were cold hard facts.

    [editor: they were more like warm soft opinions inspired by hatelust for this post.]

    I have no desire to denigrate older men. I adore them. I’m simply stating the facts that men age too.

    [aging is not the extinction level event for men that it is for women.]

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  45. Sex with a 20 year old man and a 38 year old man is different…..VERY DIFFERENCE. Older men can NOT last longer or bounce back as quick, and you know it, stop trying to fool people. Just drinking a beer can hinder an older man’s erection, not just his visual.

    Women still age much worse.

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  46. I found this to be quite truthful as well.

    http://www.feministing.com/archives/017848.html

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  47. on September 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””anony
    @Roissy,

    to my delusion-stripping post about the abject horror that aging brings to women’s sex market value.

    you and your minions here, can use a bit of delusion-stripping.

    Cold hard facts:
    –as men age, only $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ or status will compensate for loss of youth.

    –as men age, erections pale compared to their 22 year old selves.
    ”””””””””””

    lol at whatever age everything comes down to $$$$$$$$$ eventually. So yea of course you got to gather some loot to play the game right.

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  48. on September 29, 2009 at 3:25 pm gunslingergregi

    Everything about money it is what it is. Think of anything you want to do. Now think of the cost to do it. Yea are you hungry you want to eat? Costs money right?

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  49. There is a biologic topic relevant to men’s aging that Roissy has twice deleted my comments on.

    [editor: none of your comments have been deleted.]

    I will not waste my time here repeating all that unless Roissy agrees to not delete me..

    Roissy in DC, where some lies perish , others are born , and half-truths linger.

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  50. I think what’s being missed overall here is how she takes care of herself.

    Women with amazing spirits are sexy, and it makes everything about them sexy.

    Women who do more than sit on the couch and watch soaps, or grind themselves away chasing a job, have that spark that compensates for whatever other shortcomings they may have.

    It’s the “she’s just cool” factor, and when you find one of those, she’s worth gaming for real.

    There are a lot of other factors. Thin older women can often look dry and uninviting. Sometimes a little Rubenesque is okay, if she’s got sass. YMMV.

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  51. Got it. 19ers are too dumb to realize the appeal of an older man.

    They do realize this appeal. At 22, I was circling the orbit of an evil but blingingly-hot 19 year old rich-bitch who was also getting banged by a 35-year-old guy. She was REALLY into him. Cried when he didn’t call her, etc. But hey, I did manage to get into her panties too, so pride swallowed.

    Anyway, 19-year-olds can be hot for the right kind of guy in his 30s and beyond. A 45-year-old super alpha I shoot the shit at my gym with from time to time dates 18 and 19 y.o.’s.

    And it makes sense, A guy is in his peak from his early 30s, to early fourties, depending on the guy. In our culture, you don’t see many 19 y.o. girls with older guys due to defacto age segregation, but Scarlett O’Hara was 15 or 16 years old at her debiutante ball, and was courted by some very old men.

    Having said all that, I don’t recommend marrying a girl in our society who is younger than 22, due to their immaturity.

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  52. [aging is not the extinction level event for men that it is for women.]

    “extinction level event???????????????????”
    are you fearful of speaking straight up English?. You’ve got to revert to some psycho-babel BS???????

    [editor: you sound upset. something bothering you, anony?]

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  53. Amestris,

    I think they have safe drugs for that…

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  54. anony,

    there are drugs for that.. who cares about what you think?

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  55. [editor: does an aging wife’s fading beauty have an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

    do older men use Viagra to visit prostitutes? Heck yes they do.

    You do your minions no favor to deny the realities of male aging. Women will not feel the same virility and masculinity in a man they’ve met at age 35 , as they’ve experienced at age 25.

    [editor: answer the question. does an aging wife’s fading beauty have an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no? if my leetle question cuts too close to the bone for you, feel free to say so and excuse yourself from the proceedings.]

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  56. Roissy fears my comments here , as evidenced by all the comments left in moderation.

    He’s afraid I might speak truth that doesn’t fit with his fantasy world.

    [editor: none of your comments are in moderation. are you drunk? or is your seething hatred for me and my tauntings of you driving you to hallucinate?]

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  57. on September 29, 2009 at 3:36 pm gunslingergregi

    Grasping at straws now trying not to drown. Woman and men not completely equal fact of life.

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  58. [editor: you sound upset. something bothering you, anony?]

    I am not upset, but rather, entertained by you.

    [editor: funny, you don’t sound entertained.]

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  59. on September 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm gunslingergregi

    Woman get there 20’s and 30’s to have all the fun guys get from 13 to 80.

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  60. anony,

    NO woman who has ever used makeup should EVER point a finger at guys who use PDE-5 inhibitors.

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  61. anony,

    No sane man really cares about the opinion of a woman.

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  62. Amestris and anony, seriously, this is the same as the Obsidian thing.

    Life is the best teacher of anything.

    Nature is more witty and yet more cruel than any of us could ever wish to be.

    Let the men enjoy yet another hates-fat-chicks post. It’s fun for them, and we shouldn’t spoil their fun with realities like fat chicks and older women getting laid and men aging.

    They know that these things happen. They’re just not relevant when the point is to pick on fat women. The idea is to shame women into losing weight.

    Problem with shaming though, is that it helps if it’s done from a position of authority/superiority. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. The anthropological beta brigade of wheat and corn oil guzzling lardasses looking for a skinny-by-luck teeny bopper who will fry their donuts at home instead of putting them on the same primal, paleo, or genotype diet they’re on should prolly sit this one out.

    Both genders on the USDA’s tip need a wake up call. A good bit of the erection problem with aging is because of the same thing that’s making young women fatter these days.

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  63. [pair a 70 year old man with a 20 year old hottie and watch as his erection magically returns. ha haw!]

    then please explain why men, such as himself, use Viagra to visit prostitutes.

    [editor: how many 70 year old men do you know who are banging 20 year old women? are you privy to the sexual habits of every 70 year old man with a younger mate? do you doubt that older men get harder, faster and for longer, with younger women than with less attractive older women? it seems you are totally unaware of viagra’s primary purpose: to chemically increase the attractiveness of an aging, has-been wife via the boner.]

    Again, my point is not to denigrate older men’s sex lives. The more the merrier.

    [you’re so transparent. ps you still haven’t answered my innocent leetle question. i shall ask again: does an aging wife’s fading beauty have an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

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  64. How old is Roissy?

    I’m kind of afraid to ask. For some reason I assumed he was around my age.

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  65. Men age. Who is in denial about that? Aging is not an issue for men until their mid-30s. As a guy in my early 30s, I get more female attention than at any other point on my life.

    Granted, my hormonal levels will soon drop. I’ll lose the vitality; the aggression; the confidence. At that point, I’ll undergo hormone replacement therapy.

    Some testosterone and HGH will bring me back to life. I’ll get a second wind to carry me into my mid-40s. Then I’ll rely on status and money to obtain younger women.

    With women, it’s not so simple. How many old women do you see married to young studs? It doesn’t happen.

    Plus, even with serious HGH use, women can only improve a little. Compare Madonna to Sylvester Stallone.

    Both are heavy drug users. Stallone is a decade-plus older than Madonna. He looks much better to women, than Madonna does to men.

    Sorry, ladies. Aging sucks for all of us. It just happens to suck much worse for you.

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  66. Over/under of anony’s age is 40

    I’ll play the over.

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  67. @GN

    Problem with shaming though

    Where, exactly, have I shamed?. Please be specific.

    Am I shaming or stating facts?

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  68. anony,

    People have to get their money’s worth! Those drugs also make it easier to control ejaculation..

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  69. “The idea is to shame women into losing weight.”

    Life sucks for fat men, too. When has Roissy or any non-troll argued otherwise?

    Are we even reading the same blog?

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  70. on September 29, 2009 at 3:51 pm gunslingergregi

    Not if you go to columbia mike. he he he
    We are not equal.
    Sure you can love a woman for life. That is why it makes sense to have multiple wives.

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  71. @mb,
    do you deny the aging of men’s erection?

    [editor: do you deny that an aging wife’s fading beauty has an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

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  72. Yeah, man, Felix. In addition to Roissy’s insights, you have to add sass. Good at any age or body type. Will take 10-15 lbs off a 130lb 23 yr old, and 5-10 years off a 45 yr old.

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  73. Anony, facts are facts. Question is whether they’re relevant to the discussion.

    Doesn’t it annoy you when you say “men age” and someone else says, “women age worse”?

    Both are true. Just that the latter is relevant to a post and subsequent discussion of whether fat or aging is worse on women (within fertile age), and the former isn’t.

    What might have been relevant is if you’d mentioned that at the age women “hit the wall” we lose any physical reason to care about being hot unless we were hot enough in youth to get some mad cash out of it…but the problems associated with being fat don’t go away until the fat goes away.

    Hotness issues stop when the sex drive decreases to a point of a kind of itch that needs scratching a couple of times a month, for which a vibrator will suffice. Fatness issues can mess you up until you die.

    I’d personally, at 39, rather look forward to 40+ more years of making money and dancing with nary a man in sight, than to have to ever worry that an EMT would have trouble getting my heart attacked or stroked bum onto a gurney.

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  74. Fat is the worst. Not only physical but also mental lack of self-respect. There are MILFs and GILFS out there, but no fat ones.

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  75. @Roissy ,

    do you deny the aging of your erections?
    do you deny that your partners now will be less impressed than those at age22?

    @Mike,

    do you deny the aging of your erections?
    do you deny that your partners now will be less impressed than those at age 22?

    @guns,

    do you deny the aging of your erections?
    do you deny that your partners will be less impressed than those at your age of 22?

    [editor: i see you continue your evasion. answer the question, anony. does an aging wife’s fading beauty have an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

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  76. Of course, there’s a gender power-struggle angle to female objections to stating these basic facts and denying reality: We can have it all; I (says the female) can fuck around, work on my career –at least through the early stages (hey, ya think maybe the hiring was skewed in some fields by mid-level male managers favoring attractive young females over similarly situated males? even conceivably possible?), “save money,” etc., then get married in my 30’s with ZERO ill effects. Here you merely point out one among several of the the unassailably obvious ill-effects: decreased male desire over time = comparatively decreased male desire at time of eventual mating. And look, a female argues it. The motto must be: admit nothing. Kind of alpha of the ladies in a way.

    It’s like there’s been a war for 30 years and the veterans won’t even admit it. Like in that Monty Python sketch where the knight keeps up the mocking bravado despite having lost several limbs, despite being reduced to a completely helpless torso.

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  77. RE: Age difference

    Marriages with a 9 or more year age difference are much more likely to fail than marriages with smaller age differences. So, for most men, it is a very, very bad idea to marry someone that 9 or more years younger than them.

    At a minimum it requires:

    1. A high level of maturity in the woman.
    2. A high level of maturity in the man.
    3. A high level of natural or learned game in the man.
    4. A youthful, high energy level in the man.

    Note that game is not enough. Most people, including IMHO most of the people commenting here, don’t have what it takes.

    On the other hand, up to 8 years it does not make a difference what the age gap between the man and the woman is. That is the much more realistic goal and will not be a detriment to your relationship’s long term prospects.

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  78. on September 29, 2009 at 3:58 pm gunslingergregi

    Anon I beat all the guys of different ages at the age of 28 for duration and pleasure inducing ability. So yea I think it may depend on guy. he he he

    She was extremelly impressed and still is.

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  79. @Roissy,

    [editor: do you deny that an aging wife’s fading beauty has an effect on her husband’s ability to sport wood for her, yes or no?]

    I will assume that my age has a diminished effect upon my husband’s erections.

    [editor: very good. we now have in writing that you understand that the fading beauty of an aging wife will have a negative effect on her husband’s ability to get a solid erection, unrelated to the biological factors of penile senescence.]

    @Roissy,
    do you deny that your partners now are less impressed by your erections than those at your age of 22?.

    [yes, i do deny it. for the simple reason that i can last a lot longer now with an erection just as hard than i could at 22.]

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  80. on September 29, 2009 at 4:00 pm gunslingergregi

    Your still acting like your not supposed to worship the man as a god though and this is where you are fucking up. Too worried about what your getting whereas you worship man as god and all the shit for you falls into place.

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  81. @thursday,

    are you asserting those ideas based upon some longitudinal data on marriages? or by your own preferences?

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  82. on September 29, 2009 at 4:01 pm gunslingergregi

    The selfish gene does not help you (you think you are being selfish to your benefit). Being unselfish is where it is at in order to achieve shit.

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  83. anony

    As one of the resident 50+ fellows here, I’ll take the bait – a 50+ guy will not sport the same level of hardness or the same short refractory period (rapidity of getting hard again after each climax) as he did at 17. However, if he takes good care of himself (particular with regard to cardiovascular issues), his tapering off will be far milder than a woman’s aging.

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  84. Anony is a troll. There should be an ignore feature on this blog if some of us choose not to read some inane blabberings of people like anony.

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  85. When I lived in San Diego I would see a LOT of 35-55 year old women who were not fat (not very fat, for the most part, anyway), but who dressed like they were still 18. Miniskirts, bared waists, etc., it was REVOLTING. For God’s sake, dress your age! Women that age on the East Coast who dress professionally are a hell of a lot more attractive (comparatively, not absolutely, of course).

    how many 70 year old men do you know who are banging 20 year old women?

    Just the almighty Silvio!

    I don’t know him personally, but just knowing he exists is quite satisfying.

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  86. km,

    But even your erections at 20 are not the same as 17..

    The real question is:

    How long can you have the same performance as men in their mid 20s.

    The answer:

    Somewhat individual, but with drugs and fitness- well into your 60s.. at least!

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  87. [editor: how many 70 year old men do you know who are banging 20 year old women? are you privy to the sexual habits of every 70 year old man with a younger mate? do you doubt that older men get harder, faster and for longer, with younger women than with less attractive older women? it seems you are totally unaware of viagra’s primary purpose: to chemically increase the attractiveness of an aging, has-been wife via the boner.]

    I am privy to urological conversations, urological lectures, and one older patient who requested Viagra to assist him to spend tie with a belly dancer.

    [editor: how many of these older patients requesting viagra are banging young hotties and how many are banging old, sexually worthless wives?]

    Now, Roissy, answer my little question: is your current partner less impressed with your erections than those at your age of 22?

    [i answered your question above. no, they are not less impressed with my erections for the simple reason that i can last a lot longer now with an erection that is just as hard than i could at 22.]

    Do you personally deny that your sexual responsiveness is less impressive to a partner now?

    [define sexual responsiveness. seriously.]

    do you deny that partners in the future may experience disappointment and not experience you in the context of a virile young man of age 22?

    [when i’m 70 i’ll see how it goes. if i’m fucking a hottie 40 years younger than myself then i may not have to resort to chemical enhancement.]

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  88. Haha, nice guys. Just sit there yelling back and forth at each other — “It’s not my fault he doesn’t have an erection, he’s old!” “It’s not my fault I don’t have an erection, she’s old!”

    Nice.

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  89. marathons are poisonous. marathonists age at least two years for every year of training. even people who run shorter races, like 10 or 20 km regularly, age tremendously. Doctor G would tell these people to stop running and start smoking because it is more fun and does not age the body as much

    Roissy´s noticing of how unnattrativeness in women leads men to work longer is amazing. I see it everyday. I bet that much of alcohol abusers started so because of some unpleasant experience with women, specially sudden fattening of formerly attractive girls

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  90. I like the anony posts because of the editorial commentary they provoke!

    How did Roissy convince anony to toss so many soft lobs for him to knock out of the park?

    [editor: her demons didn’t need much convincing.]

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  91. I know you don’t weight personality or behavior nearly as strongly as beauty/youth, Roissy, but I am curious if a cougar who possessed the otherwise-equal physical stats of a younger woman AND did not resort to, as you say, “cougar-pawing”, what would be the marginal increase in fuckability?

    [editor: a cougar who plays coy will see a *decrease* in fuckability, for the simple reason that men won’t put as much effort into bedding her if the same amount of effort would bed a younger woman. so while i mock the cougar pawing, it is an effective compensating strategy for cougars competing with younger women. note that a slender, feminine cougar who ages well will compete at about the same level as a 25-30 yo chubby woman, and will outcompete a 25 – 30 yo obese woman. but an under 25 woman who is chubby (but not too chubby) will usually win out over a slender cougar.]

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  92. I am done for today.

    Let all the delusional men refusing to acknowledge their aging erections pile on.

    [editor: spanked!]

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  93. anony,

    Most men want to get off, if the woman is impressed – good.

    If not- let her go to hell, who cares!

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  94. [yes, i do deny it. for the simple reason that i can last a lot longer now with an erection just as hard than i could at 22.]

    Was about to say: I’ve seen a lot of women talk about this side effect. Still, note that atherosclerotic changes occur in the penile blood supply (that is, a lot of fat blocking it up, simplistically) as well in fat men, into the realms of irretrievable even with help of drugs.

    Lucifer: DRUG ABBREVIATIONS KILL (well, on drug charts. Technically you wouldn’t put PDE-5 on a drug chart). Say the whole sexy word, baby. Phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitor. Oh yeah. Was it as good for you as it was for me?

    You know how I like my words, Lucy. I like them big.

    Old women: Yes, ageing worsens. Unfortunately white women are effected the worst, especially with low quality and/or heavy make up regimen and tanning. So that’s something to avoid. She must dye her hair, maintain healthy exercise and diet, use botox liberally and use good quality creams (they do seem to help, my grandmother looks very well using only this and she has pale, rosy skin rather than my my mother and I’s golden).

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  95. I simply must rise to the erection debate.

    ‘New’ is probably a stronger regenerator of erection size and duration than young or fit. On the average.

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  96. I am done for today.

    Let all the delusional men refusing to acknowledge their aging erections pile on.

    you’re the delusional one you old fat & fugly bitch

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  97. on September 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””on September 29, 2009 at 4:11 pm LILGRL
    Haha, nice guys. Just sit there yelling back and forth at each other — “It’s not my fault he doesn’t have an erection, he’s old!” “It’s not my fault I don’t have an erection, she’s old!”

    Nice.
    ””””””””

    Not really back and forth though unless its the guys dick while hes fucking a 25 year old at 73 he he he

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  98. on September 29, 2009 at 4:27 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Tarl
    how many 70 year old men do you know who are banging 20 year old women?

    Just the almighty Silvio!

    I don’t know him personally, but just knowing he exists is quite satisfying.
    ”””””””””””””

    The beauty is you don’t have to be a real superhero to do that shit and be a superhero in your own eyes.

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  99. Really? Do you really have to make and ENTIRE post about this?

    [editor: yes!]

    I think it is pretty obvious that being FAT takes a really big toll on the body.

    [i wonder if a fat chick has ever had a labia blow out?]

    Being fat is unhealthy, this is common sense.

    [getting older is unhealthy, too.]

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  100. [editor: spanked!]

    Yeah, reward the woman for annoying you, roissy. Clever 😉

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  101. Oh Roissy my sweet poetic, Roissy. My birthday has passed, I hit a mildstone this year. It’s not so bad. I have no animosity, and I’m not fat…so no you haven’t hit a nerve. I’m just sick of you and the rest of the fools saying that only women hit the wall. Well I hate to break it to you, but men do too. Have you seen George Clooney recently? Yuck…what use to be a sexy God to me looks like a wasteland. Good grief, all those Hollywood effects have delayed the true visual. All that nose hair, the change in his smell, his grumpiness, bad breath, lack of hygiene cuz he doesn’t give a crap. Oh and let’s not forget the sagging skin…think it only happens to women? Think not my friend. Grabbing a 20 year olds ass while he’s drilling me, is like grabby tender serloin, grabbing a 38 year old male ass doing the deed is like grabbing a Chinese shar-pei….yuck! ;0)~

    Let’s be honest…for women the only thing that keeps men around is beauty, the only thing that keeps women around is MONEY…not looks.

    [editor: only for golddiggers. and the smart man can recognzie their type coming a mile away. pump and dump!]

    Amestris

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  102. Shar-pei for you Roissy…

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  103. Amestris: How intimate have you been with Hit-the-Wall Clooney if you know him down to his breath, nose hairs and smell?

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  104. Bhetti,

    You might want to brush up on your physiology… given that your are studying to be a medical professional (charlatan), I am not surprised by your lack of knowledge.

    Venous leakage, due to structural or serious vascular damage, is the most difficult (to treat) form of ED. Fortunately, it is the among the rarest.

    The inflow (arterial) is less meaningful, since one can facilitate the expansion of the corpus carvenosum with PDE5 inhibitors (or injected drugs). Therefore inflow problems, short of almost complete blockage are easily treatable. Indeed, there is evidence that PDE5 inhibitors can improve the drug-free baseline function in older men.

    About your bureaucratic naming BS.. since most medicos are charlatans riding on the back of medical reserach that you are mentally ill equipped to do- I am not surprised that you fuck up (and kill people).

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  105. Have to disagree with the post.

    There are hot(ish) fat(er than ideal) women out there but there are 0 hot women over the age of 30.

    If you’ve forgotten what it’s like to be with a woman in her early 20s, here’s a reminder: her skin is smooth and supple. Even if she’s overweight.

    This starts to go away in her later 20s and is gone by early 30s. She can still look good but touching her doesn’t give instant wood like touching an early 20s girl does.

    Fat, eh, not nearly as big of a thing as long as she’s under 25 or so. Fat + time is the real killer; gravity doesn’t sleep. Some fat on a young girl just makes her look more curvy and sexy.

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  106. trying to ignore the fact that this post does my personal ego no favors, it does over simplify some things.

    Women age out of sexual existence relative to younger men, or men their age who can still pull youth, which isn’t a very high percentage.

    So hey! In 10 years I’ll be a hot tamale for men 20 years older who don’t have the nads/interest to hitting on youth. Silver lining!

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  107. Amestris,

    Why should a man care about a woman’s enjoyment? What is in if for him.. nothing.

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  108. Roissy Said:

    “no, they are not less impressed with my erections for the simple reason that i can last a lot longer now with an erection that is just as hard than i could at 22.”

    Ummm welllll I can’t take your word for it so….um I’m gunna have to see this for myself.

    ;0)~

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  109. Lucifer Said:

    “Why should a man care about a woman’s enjoyment? What is in if for him.. nothing.”

    Why should a woman care about a man’s enjoyment? What’s in it for her….NOTHING!! So I recommend all the ladies get fat and leave all the men erectionless…LOL

    Lucifer…it goes BOTH ways!

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  110. Lucifer:

    I am not surprised that you fuck up (and kill people).

    Hey, we’re taught not to abbreviate to avoid harming people when you’re trying to help them (which you succeed in doing the vast majority of the time: what’s your alternative to ‘charlatans’? Do you actually refuse medical care?). You do your best.

    I am learning a lot in a short time. I do have to say I’m not an ED specialist. Three more years to go.

    But I wasn’t talking about older men, I was talking about fat men, to be clear. (with diabetes on top of it, very likely. Still significant improval?)

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  111. Amestris,

    I buy sex from hot 20- somethings, and will continue to do so. You, and others like you, can get fat because it does not matter.

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  112. on September 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””’Amestris
    Lucifer Said:

    “Why should a man care about a woman’s enjoyment? What is in if for him.. nothing.”

    Why should a woman care about a man’s enjoyment? What’s in it for her….NOTHING!! So I recommend all the ladies get fat and leave all the men erectionless…LOL

    Lucifer…it goes BOTH ways!
    ””””””””””””””””””’
    lol are you fucking serious?

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  113. I know you don’t weight personality or behavior nearly as strongly as beauty/youth, Roissy, but I am curious if a cougar who possessed the otherwise-equal physical stats of a younger woman AND did not resort to, as you say, “cougar-pawing”, what would be the marginal increase in fuckability?

    [editor: a cougar who plays coy will see a *decrease* in fuckability, for the simple reason that men won’t put as much effort into bedding her if the same amount of effort would bed a younger woman. so while i mock the cougar pawing, it is an effective compensating strategy for cougars competing with younger women. note that a slender, feminine cougar who ages well will compete at about the same level as a 25-30 yo chubby woman, and will outcompete a 25 – 30 yo obese woman. but an under 25 woman who is chubby (but not too grossly fat) will usually win out over a slender cougar.]

    Ahh, that’s a shame [that cougars MUST paw their, er, prey in order to…survive].

    Which BMI (going by the AMERICAN current scale, which has been skewed by the masses (hee)) is considered passably-chubby? At which point (BMI again) does chubby mutate into obese?

    [editor: women should really shoot for a BMI of 17-23. 24 and 25 is pushing it, but some women can pull it off, especially those with very wide hips and huge titties. 26-30 is too fat, no matter what the frame size of the woman. anything over 30 is of course, total obliteration of desirability.]

    Being female, my perspective is probably slightly more forgiving than a male’s, so I’m curious about the male parameters.

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  114. Amestris, Hollywoodian people and their sheeple age badly in general. Nature is and has always been cruel to the stupid. However, when we’re talking about the average guy in the world who works for a living, and doesn’t sit on his butt all the time because he will go crazy if he tries, 38 or even 48 does not bring on the sharpei effect.

    The one guy who has the chance of leading me into sin is 42, very fair complexioned, and very well built with a butt as tight as a trampoline. He’s actually improved since I took that handbasket to hell with him for a few months 4 years ago.

    As tragically and demonically pale and Romanian as he is, which should have doomed him to being potbellied and wrinkly by now, he’s not because he eats basically like a caveman. I am sure that he’s not alone. You just don’t ask guys their age when you see them on the street looking fine. Maybe you’re just assuming the goodlooking ones are younger than they are.

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  115. Bhetti,

    In medicine, acute and sub-acute stuff is easy to treat (and hence does not require overpaid delusionals).

    Chronic stuff is much harder to treat (and we are not not very good at treating most chronic illness)- so why pretend to treat them (various solid cancers). There are exceptions to this statement though.. (hypertension, auto-immune diseases etc)

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  116. Bhetti Said:

    “Amestris: How intimate have you been with Hit-the-Wall Clooney if you know him down to his breath, nose hairs and smell?

    Quit takin’ shit literally….and take a valium.

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  117. Look at this disgusting 63 year old woman in a bikini:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1035786/Why-Helen-Mirren-sexy-sixties-role-model-growing-old-gracefully.html

    Just sends shivers up my spine. This will be your eventual fate ladies, if you don’t wake up.

    [editor: and she’s one of the better looking older women! ps i know you’re being sarcastic. unfortunately for you, your sarcasm comes smack up against my realism. care to wager who wins that battle?]

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  118. “extinction level event???????????????????”
    are you fearful of speaking straight up English?. You’ve got to revert to some psycho-babel BS???????

    [editor: you sound upset. something bothering you, anony?]

    She’s clearly lost it. Poor hysterical woman. Extinction level event is a paleontological term. Her spelling is out the window.

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  119. The primal diet / paleo diet is fucking FANTASTIC.

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  120. [getting older is unhealthy, too.]

    Which is why I plan on never doing so.

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  121. Lucifer Said:

    “I buy sex from hot 20- somethings, and will continue to do so. You, and others like you, can get fat because it does not matter.”

    You really think I care that much that you had to post that. Go buy a 20 year old U R wasting my time.

    Luv,

    Amestris

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  122. This will be your eventual fate ladies, if you don’t wake up.

    Ugh, SRSLY. We’d better wake up, and stop aging, real frickin’ soon.

    4RLZ.

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  123. @ Ghost of Nicole,

    *sigh* I’m speaking from experience as well. My profession allows me to see many people unclothed….and it isn’t pretty. For women AND MEN! Especially the white ones….

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  124. Why would you say medicos mess up (okay, I know the answer to that, it’s your continuing agenda and very personal hatred) if taught not to abbreviate because it renders a valid perscription (on the basis of reliable research collated in reliable resources) because of someone else misreading the paperwork? There’s bureaucracy and there’s paperwork that’s actually important. If anything, that is it. I don’t see what’s BS. I was taking a light tone about it (playing with fire, though; it does hit a nerve to bring up the subject. I apologise on behalf of all medical professionals in the world who have wronged and insulted your Important Work by their moments of incompetence. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? WILL YOU INVENT — THEN TAKE — A CHILL PILL?)

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  125. on September 29, 2009 at 4:56 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””LILGRL
    This will be your eventual fate ladies, if you don’t wake up.

    Ugh, SRSLY. We’d better wake up, and stop aging, real frickin’ soon.

    4RLZ.
    ””””””””””””””
    Well yea the gov actually gonna give you a hand with that in us. They are coming out of their caring shell and will be euthanizing at will.

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  126. @gunslingergregi

    I was half joking…

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  127. Look at the whiny, insecure women bringing up male erections. Get some class, “ladies”.

    “Women will not feel the same virility and masculinity in a man they’ve met at age 35 , as they’ve experienced at age 25.”

    Actually, MANY women in their early-mid 20s want to fuck guys in their 30’s, because the guys are experienced and know how to fuck better. Guarantee most younger women agree with this. At 35, a guy can generally fuck longer, probably just as often, and knows what to do a lot better than a 22 year old. That’s why women generally go for older men. So don’t deny reality lades. Accept your fate.

    Plus, men are prized in large part on resources/earning power which increase through the 30’s. Women are basically prized for looks, which deteriorate sharply through their 30’s. The truth is after 30 they do hit a wall, and by 40, the vast majority of women are sexually irrelevant.

    And I don’t eve think I need to bring up the biological clock. you have it, we don’t. Tick tock.

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  128. on September 29, 2009 at 4:58 pm gunslingergregi

    Media just goes from life is so precious to we must save “the children” lol
    Abortion for old people.

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  129. Clearly, Lucifer, you are the Only One who can teach me all this properly. What will it take to get you on the faculty?! Can we afford it?

    If I understand what you’re saying correctly… then the proposed solution is acute disease specialists (with presumably less education/training), and treatable chronic disease specialists, who are paid less than doctors?

    Amestris:

    How intimate have you been with Hit-the-Wall Clooney if you know him down to his breath, nose hairs and smell?

    Quit takin’ shit literally….and take a valium.

    You just took me literally about not taking you literally.

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  130. How old? I’m so curious now.

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  131. Bhetti,

    You have no sense of humor do you? I wasn’t being serious either. lol

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  132. Anony

    The average fit young man has a crazy excess of erectibility. I mean, constantly having raging boners when you wish you didn’t. Like, when you have to stand up in front of people with a sausage going down one pants leg that visibly twitchs with each heart beat. Not too funny if you are the embarassed guy. That, thankfully subsides somewhere in the early thirties.

    You are acting in a petulant and ungrateful manner towards our host. He is trying to tell of important truths that would improve many lives if acted upon and you just hurl taunts back in his general direction.
    In a hundred years we will all be dead. But in the meantime, do you want good sex or not? If you do, stay in shape and be generous and realistic regarding human nature.

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  133. The anthropological beta brigade of wheat and corn oil guzzling lardasses looking for a skinny-by-luck teeny bopper who will fry their donuts at home instead of putting them on the same primal, paleo, or genotype diet they’re on should prolly sit this one out.

    Why does everyone assume that our genotype is frozen in amber from 10,000 years ago?

    [editor: this is a good point if we’re discussing evolved features like intellect or skin color. but from what i understand of the theory behind the primal diet, our digestive tracts are much slower to evolve and haven’t much changed since the dawn of agriculture. if we were designed to eat a lot of grains we’d probably have bigger guts like gorillas have.]

    Try putting on a lot of muscle without at least post-workout carbohydrates and see how far you get.

    Was about to say: I’ve seen a lot of women talk about this side effect. Still, note that atherosclerotic changes occur in the penile blood supply (that is, a lot of fat blocking it up, simplistically) as well in fat men, into the realms of irretrievable even with help of drugs.

    This is a function of poor diet, lack of cardiovascular exercise, and low T. The more bodyfat one accumulates, the more free testosterone is converted to estradiol, which creates a positive feedback loop of fat accumulation and negative feedback loop on free T. The resulting drop in T affects erections as does the poor lipid profiles resulting from the drop in T/accumulation of fat.

    I guess the moral is: don’t get fat.

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  134. Ok so men can control their “woodies” at inappropriate times, right? They can suppress that reflex through sheer will or mental imagery? If a guy loves his aging wife, why couldn’t he do the same to get woody? Why couldn’t a man train himself to use whatever mental tricks he needs to do to be able to satisfy the woman he loves and himself? It won’t be easy but he can do it… The woman can do her part by looking her best too.

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  135. I buy sex from hot 20- somethings, and will continue to do so. You, and others like you, can get fat because it does not matter

    always a lovely guy.

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  136. Weight is something one has control over. Time is not. The post makes Pupu very sad.

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  137. Amestris:

    You have no sense of humor do you? I wasn’t being serious either. lol

    I am indeed quite po-faced and utterly humourless. Utterly. Let me get this straight: I took literally you not taking me literally over you not taking me literally by humourfully taking me literally.

    LSB: I don’t know. I’d rather he find his outlets elsewhere then having to force himself to want me, even if I did whatever I could do. If it isn’t enough, you don’t want him blaming himself because he doesn’t somehow defy his psychobiology and psych himself up to it.

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  138. on September 29, 2009 at 5:14 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Ok so men can control their “woodies” at inappropriate times, right? ””””””’

    Sometimes ya can’t like when it has been a while and your hitting bumps in the road driving.

    Now for a woman who has been an angel thougout their lives and never cared for being selfish yea prob not hard to keep an angelic picture of her in your mind no matter what she actually looks like. A selfish bitch on the other hand will actually get uglier no matter how well kept.

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  139. on September 29, 2009 at 5:17 pm Usually Lurking

    Ok so men can control their “woodies” at inappropriate times, right? They can suppress that reflex through sheer will or mental imagery? If a guy loves his aging wife, why couldn’t he do the same to get woody? Why couldn’t a man train himself to use whatever mental tricks he needs to do to be able to satisfy the woman he loves and himself? It won’t be easy but he can do it… The woman can do her part by looking her best too.

    Not really. The point is this. The woman wants her man to lust for her. If he tricks himself into hard wood by thinking of some other woman, there is a good chance she will be able to pick up on this. Especially if she has plenty of experience with him when she was hot.

    Yeah, he might complete the physical act, but it will not be the same. However, if she stays in shape, she could be quite fuckable until her mid 40s.

    If he is in his 50s, there will not be much faking needed.

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  140. Ageing is ageing, especially for women. You grow old, you stop being attractive, sex isn’t and has to be not as important. Although people find ways past this, it’s not a tragedy.

    [editor: speak for yourself!]

    There’s a time, phase and place for everything.

    [but what can compare to sex and deep, passionate love?]

    C’est la vie. There’re other ways of finding happiness.

    [puttering around the garden isn’t my idea of happiness.]

    Enjoy the now all the more, it is indeed fleeting but there’re always more to life in store.

    [will it be as easy to say this when the fleeting has finally fled?]

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  141. The post makes Pupu very sad.

    female aging is the largest tragedy on Earth. When you how fastly a woman´s charm goes away, and when you see beautiful women around you and realize that, sadness hits HARD. This is why people invented whisky. Whisky reacts with sadness hormones and turn those into happiness hormones.

    If a guy loves his aging wife

    aging wifes have to compensate age through something. Cooking is an obvious answer which comes to mind.

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  142. on September 29, 2009 at 5:18 pm Usually Lurking

    LSB: I don’t know. I’d rather he find his outlets elsewhere then having to force himself to want me, even if I did whatever I could do. If it isn’t enough, you don’t want him blaming himself because he doesn’t somehow defy his psychobiology and psych himself up to it.

    Yeah, that was my point.

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  143. on September 29, 2009 at 5:18 pm Usually Lurking

    Gig, people invented Whiskey to over-analyze bad TV shows.

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  144. Whisky reacts with sadness hormones and turn those into happiness hormones.

    That is so CUTE!

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  145. on September 29, 2009 at 5:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’This is why people invented whisky. Whisky reacts with sadness hormones and turn those into happiness hormones. ”””””’

    lol

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  146. I think he said he was about the same age as Mystery at some point.

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  147. Why’s everyone so hyped about the paleo/primal/whatever diet? I don’t get it.

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  148. PR says, “Why does everyone assume that our genotype is frozen in amber from 10,000 years ago?

    Try putting on a lot of muscle without at least post-workout carbohydrates and see how far you get.”

    Everybody doesn’t assume the “frozen genotype”. It’s just one of the many styles a person should consider, some of which don’t have labels. What they all basically boil down to is eating real natural food in real natural proportions.

    No calories or fat grams need to be counted. This itself is actually part of the industrial food scam. Folks just need to eat based on a combination of their ancestors’ trial and error and science that isn’t filtered through pharmaceutical and agricultural industry agenda.

    It’s just not one size fits all. It’s also not a quick fix if someone has spent years obese. It is a sure fix though, as I’m finding out for myself, and I’m not so extreme about it.

    It is so incredibly easy though, that some of us who’ve found our way do come off as a bit fanatical and maybe gimmicky. It is just so great though. It’s freeing, and it works.

    I could have shed a tear when Roissy said he went primal. One less foot in the pasture.

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  149. Every decade cosmetic treatments improve. Today there are many options that weren’t available 10 or 20 years ago. Medical advances are the answer.

    More broadly, I’m much more concerned with surprise cancer than gradual cosmetic decline 🙂

    Also, engineered negligible senescence when I’m 110 wouldn’t hurt.

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  150. This is how Pupu is feeling now 😦

    “Children’s voices in the orchard
    Between the blossom- and the fruit-time:
    Golden head, crimson head,
    Between the green tip and the root.
    Black wing, brown wing, hover over;
    Twenty years and the spring is over;
    To-day grieves and to-morrow grieves,
    Cover me over, light-in-leaves;
    Golden head, black wing,
    Cling, swing,
    Spring, sing,
    Swing up into the apple-tree.”

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  151. When I was in college, every girl would have fucked Bill Clinton. They told me so. He was what, 45?

    Fame/money/game are anti-aging for men.

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  152. to agony:
    you fucking rock. amen girl.
    here’s hoping your ass is as hot as your brain! cheers-

    [editor: “agony”. lol. too true.]

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  153. Bhetti,

    You bore me…I’m done with you.

    Luv,

    Amestris

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  154. anony was in rare form today. post definitely hit a nerve. it’s true that men age much better than women, because the attractiveness drivers (status, power, wealth, maturity) for men increase with age, whereas for women, the sole most important ones, youth and beauty, steadily decrease. I agree with Roissy that the experience factor for sex more than compensates for the steady, if marginal, decrease in erection strength and refractory period.

    On the fat thing, short of the obesity described above, a few extra pounds (note: few) do not detract too much if the woman is otherwise attractive. I agree with the commenter above who said the best thing by far is to check out the mom – she is the girl’s future, most likely.

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  155. I think that fat is worse because a thin woman still has a reasonable body even when older. It seems that the unattractiveness is worst if the man and woman are the same age. If the man is ten years older, he will get more of the better years. Basically a guy of 30 who marries a woman who is 20 gets more good years than a 25 year old who marries a 25 year old. A 40 year old guy will be happier with his thin 30 year old wife than with a fat 40 year old wife. Assuming the older guy is normal and his younger attractive wife actually tries to make him happy, loves and values him and isn’t a b!!ch, he probably will be happy. duh.

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  156. No calories or fat grams need to be counted. This itself is actually part of the industrial food scam.

    No. Wrong. Fail

    Why’s everyone so hyped about the paleo/primal/whatever diet? I don’t get it.

    Because people make money selling gimmicks like the paleo/primal/whatever diet. People don’t want to hear the same boring old advice that works and want to buy another book so that they can tell themselves, “This time, I’m going to succeed at losing weight!”

    The fattest people usually have the most diet and exercise books and spend the least amount of time under the barbell.

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  157. to Jack:
    you’re an ASS but I’m sure you’re aware and are overcompensating as we read this post. Your toolness factor will not allow the tuth to sneek into your reality I’m sure. Please do tell us of the many ways in which you exude class, I’m sure, again, we could all learn from you master.

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  158. Maurice —

    I agree with the commenter above who said the best thing by far is to check out the mom – she is the girl’s future, most likely.

    My future husband just got pwn’d.

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  159. Late 30s? Seriously? Is it true?

    Like 38?

    How did that commenter know his age?

    I think I’m not the only one that assumed late 20s. That was the rumor in the HBDsphere.

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  160. on September 29, 2009 at 5:45 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’maurice
    anony was in rare form today. post definitely hit a nerve. it’s true that men age much better than women, because the attractiveness drivers (status, power, wealth, maturity) for men increase with age, whereas for women, the sole most important ones, youth and beauty, steadily decrease. I agree with Roissy that the experience factor for sex more than compensates for the steady, if marginal, decrease in erection strength and refractory period.
    ”””””””””’

    Maybe some pretty lies should not be destroyed though. As max from austrailia has said in the past. The gov is gonna have to find a way to pay for all these ageing woman. The way they will do that is sticking the bill on the men. Like the new alimony for mistresses that they had in aussiland. So basically it might behoove men if they don’t want to be slaves in the future to have a bugout bag and a plan for living in another country along with renouncing citizenship if the one they are in completely goes towards the slavery route for men.

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  161. Men age like wine, women age like milk. No matter how much you old bags try to make female problems, male problems, the reality is, men don’t worry about getting old.

    I’m 25, and I look as good as I ever have, and I do not worry even slightly about losing any of my youth, if anything, I look forward to my 30s.

    Sorry dears, but this is the way it is.

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  162. on September 29, 2009 at 5:46 pm gunslingergregi

    When it comes to money and woman needing it equality will not be invoked that is for dam sure.

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  163. fat conceals wrinkles? ever heard of cellulite?

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  164. roissy: I don’t think ageing is something we should be horribly frightened of. I’m content with my own company already and do have things to occupy me that aren’t terribly exciting but make me reasonably happy. It’s probably a female thing: coping mechanisms for men dying younger than us and so on.

    If you ignite deep, passionate love in olde age then good times. But you’ve seemed to imply that while you think sex is obtainable then, that part isn’t.

    (anyway, I’m going to sleep. So if you reply, I didn’t run away!)

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  165. FeministX,

    The trouble with human brain is that the agent who collects the data is also the agent who processes the data. Under time/budget constraint, a false assumption could fool the brain into believing the power of the processor is a substitute for data collection. HBDsphere are more vulnerable to this fault.

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  166. [editor: yes!]
    Okay then.

    [i wonder if a fat chick has ever had a labia blow out?]

    I’ve seen weirder things happen… ever take a jaunt around this place? —> http://www.rotten.com/

    [getting older is unhealthy, too.]

    Surely! But combine getting older with not taking care of your body and that’s an instant recipe for disaster. I think most people make that distinction. But perhaps you’re addressing those who cling to the idea that being overweight won’t affect them negatively.

    Speaking of which, there’s an episode of Dr. Phil where this hideously fat father and mother argue over whether they are killing their fat son with food. Fat dad basically insists that “health is different for everyone” and thinks that cramming oreos into beached whale of a son is a perfectly fine idea. I wish I could find the link to it somewhere. That kind of attitude is really dangerous.

    That being said, daytime tv is pretty bad for a person too, haha

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  167. on September 29, 2009 at 6:04 pm The Comfort Of Reality

    Does anyone have a good website that I can use as a resource for the paleo / primal diet? Also, if anyone is currently on it (Roissy, you included), do you mind giving me a quick perspective on it?

    Thanks.

    BTW, you’re doing many people a great service here Roissy. Keep it up.

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  168. Oh, P.S.

    Etc…

    has a good point:

    What you want is to consider a fat woman who stays 25 versus a skinny woman who ages. Skinny will always be hotter than fat, and young will always be hotter than old, but if you hold the other variable constant, hotness has a stronger correlation with youth than with skinniness. Look at it this way – if you had to bang one to save your life, you’d pick a fat 25-year-old over a skinny 60-year-old and you wouldn’t think twice about it.

    You’re not comparing fat to old. You’re comparing fat to not fat.

    [editor: i decided to use a longitudinal comparison because i wanted to demonstrate the stages of fattening and how they affect men’s desire. if i chose an already obese 20 year old to go up against women of various ages, i would agree that at the very extremes some men would prefer to bang the obese 20 yo instead of the thin 90 yo. but that’s a valid comparison ONLY at the extremes. the obese 20 yo loses out to just about every woman in every age bracket who isn’t fat. yes, even the 60 yo. fatness is just such a killer of a woman’s sexual desirability that a plumped out 20 yo girl will LOSE to a thin 45 yo milf. think about that, fatties. you’re worth about as much on the sexual market as a pussy desiccated grandma.]

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  169. The Comfort Of Reality,

    Michael Blowhard recommends this one
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

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  170. I hooked up with a 44 yr old with a great body and great face, and I also once hooked up with a 19 yr old fatty. The fatty was more attractive to hook up with for sure.

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  171. PR, you’ve obviously not actually spoken to anyone who has done it (anachronist dieting) for more than a few months. If you did, you’d know that there is no need to count calories. Your body tells you when it’s had enough and of what…like a street cat.

    So ultimately, you do take in fewer calories than you expend, but that’s because you’re giving your body the nutrition it needs to run. This is not the same for every person. If you think it is, then you go right ahead and think that, but you’re not going to find a doctor who isn’t being paid off to back you up on that.

    A person’s genetic makeup determines how their body handles certain nutrients and expends calories. If a person is malnourished in some way, this messes with their body’s ability to cope. In some cases they go into starvation mode, and in others organs break down over time that wouldn’t if they were getting what they needed.

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist, just a capitalism realist. My people (Black and Native American) are dying early in droves because of nutritional misinformation. So you can call wrong and fail all you like, but every one I know who eats like an African and/or Native American is feeling better and looking better.

    I used to wonder how my great grandparents on the tenant farm worked 16 hour days in the field in the burning sun with bugs biting them, smoked, drank a little, and still lived into their 80’s and 90’s. I don’t wonder anymore.

    Pass the butter please. 🙂

    …and if I drop dead early because of the 14 years I spent fat and thinking I was doomed to remain so, then I’ll fall while running or dancing. After that, I won’t care.

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  172. on September 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm Wilbur Simonson

    Life is still great for girl B at 40, and she can find an alpha boyfriend because:

    1. She is now automatically in the top 10-20% of desirability relative to women her own age, simply by not gaining weight. Non-fat girls are common at age 20, but rare at 40.

    2. Because of the baby boom and subsequent declining birth rates, men age 45-50 are abundant compared to women age 40-45, today.

    3. To the eyes of 45-50 year-old men, girl B is hot compared to post-menopausal women just a few years older.

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  173. I hooked up with a 44 yr old with a great body and great face, and I also once hooked up with a 19 yr old fatty

    in other words, everyone bangs femX.

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  174. Rois’ —

    You’re not comparing age and fat, was my point. I get yours.

    You’re saying: fat at age 21, vs not fat at age 21…fat at age 25 vs. not fat at age 25…fat at age 30 vs. not fat at age 30…fat at age 35 vs not fat at age 35…etc.

    [editor: actually what i’m comparing is fat vs age related degradation as a longitudinal matter. i wanted to show the degradation from each over time, and how the one degrades the woman’s beauty in relation to the other. since fatties degrade over time (no woman gets obesely fat within a year unless she tries really hard to do so) my point wouldn’t have the same impact had i chosen a fattie at one age (20 yo) compared to thin women of varying ages, because the reader would not be getting the full picture of fat degradation over time. naturally the fattie will be aging as well, but the point of my comparison was to demonstrate how gradual fattening can outcompete even aging for pure destructiveness of a woman’s looks.]

    I’d think that, save for the rare “fatty-fuckers,” the answer as to which is more desirable should be criminally obvious.

    I know you’re trying to say that getting fat is worse than aging on your body — duh — but you’d want to compare that by comparing how a man feels about a woman who’s 21 and skinny vs. a woman who’s 21 and fat…a woman who’s 25 and skinny vs. a woman who’s 21 and fat…a woman who’s 30 and skinny vs. a woman who’s 21 and fat…well, I don’t have to write it out for you.

    [that will be a post for another time, and will more precisely be called “obesity vs aging”.]

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  175. The fact is that women enjoy a huge bump in sexual attractiveness in their late teens and 20s. A physically fit woman, otherwise average in looks and personality, who is 20 years old, can easily get a massive amount of attention, particularly if she wears something a bit revealing.

    For an average 20 year old man, this is simply not the case, even if he is physically fit.

    I doubt anyone would deny this, but the thing is, attractiveness is a relative thing and there is a finite amount of sexual attention in the world.

    If women are more attractive while in a certain age range, it mathematically follows that they must be (relatively) less attractive once they leave that age range.

    If a particular woman or girl is getting MORE attention, then there must be another woman or girl who is getting LESS attention. Thus, if women are receiving more attention in their late teens or 20s, it is coming at the expense of older women.

    It seems silly to deny this obvious fact, and yet some women insist on doing it. I think that most of these women are in the process of hitting the wall and are having a hard time accepting it.

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  176. on September 29, 2009 at 6:40 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’I used to wonder how my great grandparents on the tenant farm worked 16 hour days in the field in the burning sun with bugs biting them, smoked, drank a little, and still lived into their 80’s and 90’s. I don’t wonder anymore.””””””’

    That’s the pretty lie. Farmers don’t work 16 hour days. Maybe 16 hours every couple months.

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  177. Roissy

    Entertaining post but I have to beat my horse.

    By your own calculations 1.05 donuts a week or an extra 30 calories a day will doom Girl A.

    Is it realistic to think that any girl is consciously targeting her caloric intake to within 30 calories of expenditure? That’s not just 1/7th of a donut, it could also be 2% larger portion sizes, assuming a 1500 calorie a day diet. Few people have that good of an eye.

    Clearly her weight gain involves some type autonomic feedback mechanism. That mechanism has gone awry.

    But since this is your favorite topic, consider whether or not being with a Beta directly impacts that autonomic system. For example, we know that the same drugs which effect mood, effect weight. Wellbutrin induces weight loss. Zoloft induces weight gain. The two drugs in phen-fen were mood altering.

    The mood system and weight control system seem to share some of the same hormones. So it could be that alpha factors which cause a woman to feel better also cause her to loose weight.

    [editor: interesting. this may explain why girlfriends/wives of beta boyfriends/husbands turn to food to supplement their lower happiness quotients. the beta ain’t doing it for her, so she hits the ben and jerrys for the mood altering highs she isn’t getting from the missing alpha in her life. this dynamic means she will be less interested in keeping the weight off to please her beta lover. so in a perverse way, the beta lover provides a negative feedback loop that keeps his girl attached to him (via food fattening) with no option to upgrade. eventually, though, her disgust becomes so great that the cycle is interrupted, and she leaves the beta to embark on a workout regimen to snag new cock.]

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  178. PR, you’ve obviously not actually spoken to anyone who has done it (anachronist dieting) for more than a few months. If you did, you’d know that there is no need to count calories. Your body tells you when it’s had enough and of what…like a street cat.

    This is not necessarily true. For some people, it is. If you want to continue to see progress on your fat loss, you’ll have to figure out how much you’re eating and cut your calories from time-to-time. There’s also no indication, base on what you’ve got on your “cooking slim” page, that you’ve sat down and figured out what your macro ratios need to be (how much protein, fat, carbs) or your calories.

    I’m not trying to offend you, but you’ve got a ways to go on your fat loss. Once you start getting within a certain percentage of your goal, you’ll have to start taking things quite a bit more seriously. Cutting carbs is a good start though. Next, try upping protein and cutting calories. Figure out how to do a refeed also…

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  179. @Anonymous

    Surely! But combine getting older with not taking care of your body and that’s an instant recipe for disaster. I think most people make that distinction. But perhaps you’re addressing those who cling to the idea that being overweight won’t affect them negatively.

    The effect of weight on health among SWPLs is overblown. In my opinion because they don’t want to admit that fatness disgusts them for purely sexual reasons.

    There is little evidence that being overweight BMI 25 – 30 has any independent effect on health. Though it will have a strong effect on attractiveness. What small effect there is seems to be coming through exercise. That is, an active overweight person has a longer life expectancy than a sedentary slender person. Though on average the overweight exercise less.

    Obesity (BMI 30+)has health consequences but even here the consequences are mostly clustered among the morbidly obese (BMI 40+).

    Yet, even still my recolectoin of the data is that being morbidly obese takes off less life expectancy than smoking. Don’t quote me here. I am sure its true for obesity and I think its true for morbid obesity.

    Traditionally, however, people have found smoking sexy.

    Bottom line, fat is much more or a turn off than it is a health risk.

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  180. No question: fat kills attractiveness. Akinokure also writes about how glycolation from starch and sugar destroys the proteins which make skin resiliant. Another thing which people never talk about, but which is true none the less: yoyo dieting is arguably as bad as getting fat. Think about the physics of it: they balloon up, then they skinny down, looking like a deflated bag over some bones.

    I’ve known several women who have remained quite attractive into their 40s and beyond. Not as hot as they were in their 20s of course, but still quite attractive: hotter than the average 20 something lard botty. Their secret, besides not smoking and drinking (which to me is an obvious one), they never lost their youthful slenderness.

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  181. Fucking hilarious. It is true that women age differently in different cultures or even different racial groups. American women, at the least those of European stock, age terribly in this country, while in Europe they seem to age better. What is interesting however is how most of those beautiful Eastern European and Russian women seem to turn into fat, masculine, babushka wearing cows later on. At least that has been the case in the past.

    Anonymous: Perhaps he can’t get it up because he no longer finds his wife attractive? Put a nubile, hot 20 year in front of him and I would place bets on how quickly he would get a hard on.

    Exercise, diet and an overall healthy lifestyle are the best remedies for aging. And if you are white, stay out of the sun.

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  182. do areola really grow with age? they do with childbirth/breastfeeding, but just with age… I don’t think so.

    Couples in the examples don’t marry or procreate; there is no reason to believe the areola size would increase dramatically.

    Please please stop perpetuating this unpretty lie.

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  183. It is hopelessly naive to think that men do not age better than women.

    All you need to know are what each sex is attracted to and the question is answered.

    Men like hot bodies.

    Women aren’t as visually focused on their mates as men are. They prefer a combination of several things to determine their attraction.

    It really is that simple.

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  184. The hardest things on a woman’s looks are poisons coursing through their veins and parasites eating their brains. Plus the addictions to all kinds of life threatening substances leading to craven cravings for unnatural substances which further eat away at their looks, attitudes, bodies, etc. But then that’s the hardest thing on anyones looks……..Roissy. Even yours.

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  185. After reading some game books and this blog I’ve really started to try and lose some weight to increase my value. I gotta say that controlling diet is WAY more important than exercising, at least for the first 20 lbs that I’ve lost in the past 6 months.

    The one extra donut or side of fries every day makes a huge difference, and Roissy’s example in the original post is very realistic.

    Fortunately, only being a 27 male means I’m entering my prime, where wealth and youth are beginning to intersect. If I was an overweight woman, I’d have very little time to get my shit together.

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  186. I think there’s a bit of schadenfraude at work here. For a typical guy, it can be extremely frustrating playing the courtship game with women in their late teens and 20s. Women in that age range are in such demand that they can get away with all kinds of flaky annoying behavior. And they don’t seem to have a lot of sympathy for their male counterparts who do not enjoy their bump in attractiveness.

    So it’s natural for guys in their late 20s and 30s to take some pleasure in the fact that their romantic market value is finally surpassing that of those girls who jerked them around in the past.

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  187. About those aging men. I have some experience there. All it takes is a po$itive attitude, a healthy body, some weight lifting, a young pretty woman, and a little Viagra from time to time.

    Like one young lady of my acquaintance said when asked by one of her peers about my performance, “You’d be surprised.”

    The only time I have been tuckered out in a long time, and that was recently, was by a nineteen year old, and she worked up a big sweat doing it.

    Everyone knows that men, IF they are healthy and take care of themselves, retain their strength and vigor long after a woman has lost both. My female age peers are over the hill physically, not even worth thinking about. They couldn’t do it if they wanted. And the fat ones? They can hardly walk anymore.

    Roissy is right on about the age problem for women. It is only going to get worse, as more men achieve higher awareness and become as narcissistic as women. Roissy, I am sure, will do all he can to help advance the cause of men in this regard.

    Ain’t fair. But, what in life is?

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  188. Apropos of today’s post:
    “For every 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) gained since age 18, women’s odds of surviving past 70 dropped 5 percent, researchers found. Women who were already overweight at age 18 and then gained more than 10 kilograms later in life only had about a 20 percent chance of surviving to age 70 in good health. The most commonly reported diseases were cancer, heart disease, and diabetes.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_fat_reduced_life

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  189. I’m 35, and I can tell you that I have longer erections that are just as hard as they were at 20. Much longer. I also get attention from 22 year olds that wouldn’t even look at me when I was 22. I must admit that I have a thing for cougars, for various personality related issues, but at my age that’s pretty much me just dating women my age to a few years older.

    I just got out of a 3 year relationship with a woman 6 years older, and we talked about her experiences with younger men. She agreed with the above assessment. She does prefer men younger than she, though.

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  190. Look at this disgusting 63 year old woman in a bikini:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1035786/Why-Helen-Mirren-sexy-sixties-role-model-growing-old-gracefully.html

    Just sends shivers up my spine. This will be your eventual fate ladies, if you don’t wake up.

    Let’s see, a former actress / model, pictures slightly out of focus and taken from a distance, still doesn’t look that good… doesn’t really hold out much hope for the average woman when she hits 60.

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  191. Sorry, but from that picture Mirrin is not disgusting. If I didn’t know she was 60, just from that picture, I’d probably admit to wanting to hit it.

    In my limited experience, it’s only the very skanky women who are any fun in bed before the age of 25 or, even possibly, 30. Lots of 18 year old women just sort of lay there, and their blowjobs tend to range from pensive to acting like they’re trying to acclimate themselves to lutefisk, again, slutty types being the exception.

    I will say that there are “slutty” types who seem to stay pretty faithful when with the right man, although this seems contrary to much of what Roissy claims.

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  192. I was at the beach a couple of months ago and approached a bikini-clad woman with supple skin, a nice tan, a great body and a really cute look. Turned out to be 54. Looked 40, at most. She had been married 28 years, divorced for five with two daughters, and had been dating a 32 year old for about a year, and from how she spoke of him the guy was definitely an alpha. She was talking about how she was jealous of his day with boys out on a hot day on his sailboat.

    So, we have a 32 year old, who owns a sailboat, is alpha enough to mandate lots of leisure time away from his woman, and he chooses to date a 54 year old.

    These are surely exceptions to the rule, but they do exist.

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  193. PR says, “This is not necessarily true. For some people, it is.”

    It is true for every person I know of. I haven’t even seen any anecdotal accounts from people who say anything like, “My body is deteriorating from too much meat and vegetables and fermenting and/or sprouting my grains…I just had to have a dozen donuts to feel right.”

    I have however, heard many accounts of people trying to eat donuts, chips, and other things fried in some hydrogenated vegetable oil, after going primal/paleo/anachronistic for a year. The result was invariably horrid cramping shortly followed by explosive diarrhea that resembled the dumping stories of bariatric bypass patients or takers of Xenical.

    Once you set your body straight, there is no going back without suffering. A small percentage of people’s internal enough-food-ometer may be permanently broken, but one doesn’t find that out until one goes natural.

    Going natural isn’t something one does specifically for the weight loss. It’s for one’s health. The weight loss is just one of the more obvious side effects of becoming healthier. By the same, it makes underweight, sickly, lanky people gain weight and feel better.

    There are just no minuses. If someone doesn’t get healthier because of it, and lose weight if they need to, then they know then that they have a legit endocrine problem or illness that needs seeing to. I’ll bet whatever drugs or therapy they need will work much better if they aren’t loading their bodies with liver confusing junk.

    “If you want to continue to see progress on your fat loss, you’ll have to figure out how much you’re eating and cut your calories from time-to-time.”

    I am not going to do calculations in the kitchen or at the table when simply preparing a nutritionally balanced meal and not eating beyond feeling about 80% full is working. Why should anyone obsess over food. Obsessing doesn’t work for the long term.

    “There’s also no indication, base on what you’ve got on your “cooking slim” page, that you’ve sat down and figured out what your macro ratios need to be (how much protein, fat, carbs) or your calories.”

    I’ve basically done this, but not with rulers and scales. I’m African and Native American and I live in Israel. In the summer, I eat once a day in the evening because it is too hot to eat any other time. I eat mostly vegetables because they’re plentiful in the summer, and when I feel like I need some, I have some grilled meat. I make my own bread, and have it sparingly.

    In the winter I eat once or maybe twice a day. Basically the same style, but the vegetables might be cooked or in a soup. I try to have eggs in at least one of my winter meals because I need the extra vitamin D.

    I simply don’t force myself to eat when I’m not hungry anymore. This and what I’m eating combine to create a situation in which I am spending and likely consuming half of what I used to in groceries.

    Who needs to count calories?

    “I’m not trying to offend you, but you’ve got a ways to go on your fat loss. Once you start getting within a certain percentage of your goal, you’ll have to start taking things quite a bit more seriously. Cutting carbs is a good start though. Next, try upping protein and cutting calories. Figure out how to do a refeed also…”

    I’m not offended. I am still technically fat, but I’m definitely no longer living like a fat person, and I’ve lost the weight equivalent of a first grader already.

    My goal is to be a healthy person. I don’t need to weigh what I weighed in high school to be that. It just may happen, but I’m not in a hurry, and I’m happy with my body doing what it’s doing…and what it’s doing is shedding the fat at a steady pace.

    Meanwhile, I’m living my life and doing all kinds of stuff I couldn’t do when I was bigger and less healthy.

    If I ever want to become a senior model or competitive bodybuilder, I may need to get more meticulous about it, but for general purpose, any fat chick can do what I’m doing and fix her situation. It’s not hard, and not very complicated.

    French women do it all the time. Just about every slim eastern European woman I know does it too. If you think they’re starving on celery and rice cakes, you’re wrong. They just eat food that’s food.

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  194. Please Help Me!

    Heres my situation. I met a Brazilian woman when I was on vacation. She was 2 years younger than me at the time. 6 years later, we have a child together, have only lived in Brazil, and have been separated.

    Now she, having gotten half of the apt. that I paid cash for, wants to get back together with me. Has practically begged me to do this. However, I have been dating a 22 year old, now 23 year old since the separation process began back in Febuary of this year.

    The 23 year old knows everything, child, divorce, hell the ex got her number and called her mom, telling her that her daughter was dating a schizoid freak, but she still stayed together with me, choosing to believe me and go against the wishes of her own mother.

    I would say my ex was a 9 at 20, an 8 when we got married, and now, at 32 a 6.75. The 23 year old is probably a 6 now, with her absolute best feature being that she is 23 and fantastic in bed.

    One last thing, the 23 year old speaks only port., the ex is bi-lingual and represents my best chance of living in America with my child.

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  195. Holy shit, this article really scares me.
    I’m 20, so I haven’t really thought about aging yet. My BMI is exactly at 20 without any exercise but after reading this I definitely going to start going to the gym tomorrow. This gives me the motivation to lose 8 pounds to get my BMI below 19. It’d also insure that I won’t start sagging anytime soon, ugh just thinking about it is making me gag.

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  196. outside a session of Chinese torture, what on Earth would make me read a gigantic essay from Nicole about diets?

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  197. Sorry, but from that picture Mirrin is not disgusting. If I didn’t know she was 60, just from that picture, I’d probably admit to wanting to hit it.

    In my limited experience, it’s only the very skanky women who are any fun in bed before the age of 25 or, even possibly, 30. Lots of 18 year old women just sort of lay there, and their blowjobs tend to range from pensive to acting like they’re trying to acclimate themselves to lutefisk, again, slutty types being the exception.

    I will say that there are “slutty” types who seem to stay pretty faithful when with the right man, although this seems contrary to much of what Roissy claims

    you sound like a major zero, and so is that 32 year old, he’s a big loser

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  198. Re
    H. Mirrin
    I would do her hard and righteously. It would be a reward she has earned for her efforts to be fuckable for as long as possible.
    Women usually miss how much guys care about them just trying in that regard. It is a mutual respect thing.

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  199. Gig,

    Pupu likes your advice on using cooking as a device to keep the interest up in a relationship – it’s all for pleasing the senses anyway.

    The other day, Pupu made a roasted chicken that was so good that she wondered whether it could jack up her dating market value by 5 points, for 2 days at least.

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  200. OZzie

    you sound like a major zero, and so is that 32 year old, he’s a big loser

    I guess. I’m just not sure why finding women my own age, or a few years older, makes me such a loser, but I honestly lack the motivation to do what it takes to try for the 18 to 22 range. Honestly, I’m quite interested in the 28 to 35 range, too, but the ones still single in my area are the hard-driving, miss executive types, and usually have a huge dose of the “social conscience” disease.

    The single biggest turn-off I can think of is the woman who pours emotional energy into a cause that does nothing for the health of society. Seattle is riven with the stench of that type of woman.

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  201. What kind of math is that?

    1.05 donuts per week
    = 54.6 donuts per year (1.05*52)
    = 10920 calories a year (54.6*200)
    = 3.12 pounds (10920/3500)

    If she was to put on 5 pounds like you say, she’d have to eat 1.68 donuts per week

    5 pounds
    = 17500 calories (5*3500)
    = 87.5 donuts per year (17500/200)
    = 1.68 donuts per week (87.5/52)

    Don’t get sloppy..

    [editor: ok, in my haste writing this post i mistook days for weeks. correction noted.]

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  202. LILGRL projected:

    Haha, nice guys. Just sit there yelling back and forth at each other — “It’s not my fault he doesn’t have an erection, he’s old!” “It’s not my fault I don’t have an erection, she’s old!”

    Nice.

    You’ll be 30 – he’ll be 50
    Just wear him down
    with your stamina edge

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  203. Gig, fine take dieting advice from people who lose weight on the scalpel diet or do dumb stuff like eat cayenne pepper and maple syrup to lose weight and end up looking like washed out heroin addicted great danes.

    I’m doing it the forever way. It’s not a quick fix, and I resent people like you who, instead of being happy for someone losing weight, try to invalidate them. I think you’re a sick fucker who needs some people to be messed up so you can feel superior when you’re not.

    In about a year, there won’t be anything left for you to diss me for but my age, and that’s going to happen to you too. I hope you’re able to pull women as relatively hot as I’m becoming when you’re 5 years older than I am now.

    Good luck.

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  204. Asher says, “I guess. I’m just not sure why finding women my own age, or a few years older, makes me such a loser, but I honestly lack the motivation to do what it takes to try for the 18 to 22 range.”

    Even with my female defected brain, I can see that you just answered your own question.

    Do not go for older women. They may be easier to get into bed in your area, but they are high pregnancy and drama risks. As if it’s not bad enough that you’re taking the path of least resistance and marking yourself as a lazy guy looking for a sugar mama, your reward for this is likely to be instead becoming the child support paying baby daddy to someone who’ll wrinkle before you do.

    It happened to the brother of a friend of mine. Don’t let it happen to you.

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  205. Seattle, like San Fran, has a huge surplus of men, and for every girl in her early 20s there are dozens of men competing for her attention. As for the sugar mama thing, I’m not sure where you get that. I do pretty well financially, and I made more money than the last three women I dated. The amount of raw emotional amping by socially smooth and aggressively sexual guys is astonishing in this area, for any girl that’s remotely attractive and in her early 20s. And most of those girls can’t flirt or play feminine one damn bit, they just sit there expecting to be entertained.

    Sorry to hear about your brother, but I’ve sort of relegated children to the realm of “unlikely but if it happens I’m fine with it” and have been dating women with children who are resolute about not wanting any more.

    I like Roissy, and I think he has a vast array of insights into human sexuality, but I still do not think that my natural inclinations paint me as a loser. BTW, up to a few years ago I was really adamant about wanting kids and really pushed for hot 25 year-olds. But it felt so unnatural, and what I am doing now feels nice and natural. Then I was not having any fun, now I am.

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  206. on September 29, 2009 at 11:29 pm gunslingergregi

    Asher sometimes ya got to move. Kids are fun in moderation why not have fun creating mini-you’s.

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  207. @ Nicole people interested in Paleo diet

    I have been following the Paleo diet and intermittent fasting for about two years now. The results have been interesting. I don’t count calories, yet I have lost fat, gained muscle, never get tired, never get sick, rarely feel hunger. I can work and train very hard, without food, for extended periods without experiencing hunger or decreased performance.

    My loss of body fat has been gradual but consistent. In spite of regular 24 hour fasts and being middle aged I have gained muscle mass and increased my strength without significantly changeing my activity level.

    My energy level is ridiculous. I am never tired and my martial arts training has progressed to new levels. Men and women in their twenties comment on how extremely happy, healthy and filled with energy I am. This is a diet that I can follow for the rest of my life.

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  208. Because having kids is too expensive and the effort of finding a woman who’s attractive, young enough to have a good chance of bearing children, able to contribute to creating a family and a host of other factors is not worth the work. As I said before, if it fell in my lap then I’d be just fine. But I’m not putting any effort into obtaining the situation necessary to have kids and lead a good life.

    I take a Nietzschean position on the instincts, that their moulding by civilization has made them muted and confusing. While I do accept that there is a basic instinct to replicate, I think that instinct has been muted and twisted to the point that it requires social pressures and facilitation. Just look at the decline of the greeks during the rise of rome: they experienced a massive implosion of their fertility rates, much like what is occurring in Europe, and to a lesser extent the US. It seems pretty clear to me that a healthy TFR requires that bearing the next generation be viewed as a moral obligation by significant majorities of the population, as a group.

    My society has decided it has no moral obligation to me, therefore, I have no moral obligation to it. And that is why your going to see steadily declining TFRs in the West.

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  209. on September 29, 2009 at 11:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””on September 29, 2009 at 11:40 pm Asher
    Because having kids is too expensive and the effort of finding a woman who’s attractive, young enough to have a good chance of bearing children, able to contribute to creating a family and a host of other factors is not worth the work. As I said before, if it fell in my lap then I’d be just fine. But I’m not putting any effort into obtaining the situation necessary to have kids and lead a good life.
    ”””””””””’
    If that where true you wouldn’t be on this site. Kids are about passing on the lessons you have learned in life to another generation who will have a toolbox given to them by you to make shit happen after you are gone. Too expensive lol Kids are not expensive. Look at all the welfare babies they live eat and grow up don’t they?
    Sure they do.

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  210. Anonymous above sounds like Pupu without grammatical mistakes

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  211. I recently had a long conversation with an Eastern Euro 45 year old chick. She’s kinda butt so I wasn’t trying to get in her pants. She was telling me that when she came to the US, she called her dad back in USSR and told him that there’s something wrong with America because she couldn’t beleive all the fatasses walking around. This stoked her interest in nutritional science and it turned into an obsession for her to find out why American women become such fatasses. But she ultimately abandoned her quest when her raising a family got in the way.

    She also told me about her plot to hook a Jewish man while she was young while in Ukraine and then convince him to move to America there Jews are super desperate due to discrimination and since she was ugly she deliberately sought this strategy. They ended up moving here and he ended up getting a good job (as she said you can count on 80% of Jews making good money in US) and making assloads of money. Despite her being butt ugly, she seems to be very, very happy with the realistic politically incorrect strategy she chose.

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  212. gunslingergregi

    If that where true you wouldn’t be on this site. Kids are about passing on the lessons you have learned in life to another generation who will have a toolbox given to them by you to make shit happen after you are gone. Too expensive lol Kids are not expensive. Look at all the welfare babies they live eat and grow up don’t they?
    Sure they do.

    Not sure how you figure this. I mean Roissy, himself, is really clear that Western Civ is eff’ed up beyond saving, outside of some massive conflagration. It seems pretty obvious to me that this site’s own operator is pretty blase about the notion of having kids, although I haven’t seen him address it directly, so I’m pretty sure I’m in good company here. Even if Roissy eventually wants to have kids, I would offer that this is directly at odds with his diagnosis of Western Civ. I mean who wants to bring kids into a doomed society. But for the record, I’m not quite as gloomy at the prospects of Western Civ.

    The social research on communities with high rates of welfare babies is clear: women in their early 20s and late teens have babies so they’ll have someone who’ll love them unconditionally. It’s got nothing to do with replication. it brings a glimmer of meaning to an utterly base, empty life.

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  213. The Paleo diet did wonders on my fatass wife… she dropped 1.5 lbs a week for a year. She briefly became hot again for the first time in along time. My wife is a ’10’ that got really fat so it was awesome. She did have more energy too and a better mood. It was something we both did together (okay I’d cheat at lunch). Her sex drive was nearly 50% of mine. I think it was the happiest time of my life.

    Then kid #2 came along and I kept trying to get her back into it but she went on a food binge like a whale. She now eats like a big and excercizes constantly but no amount of excercizing can keep it off. Now I’m a philanderer because I can’t stand it anymore.

    The Paleo diet is the best one of them all out there by a wide margin.

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  214. I’d also point out the falseness of your claim re: the expensiveness of children. Do you read this blog? Do you read Steve Sailer?

    First, Roissy is dead set against marriage for men, as a bad deal with no upside, I’ll not detail them as he has gone into it in great depth. So, what do you think he’s advising? Impregnating a woman without marriage? I doubt it. There is no way that marriage-less fatherhood is a better deal for men than marriage. So by advising men to avoid marriage, I’m quite certain that Roissy advises them to avoid fatherhood, derivative of that.

    Consider me: educated, middle-class asperations, a taste for nice things (I have season tickets to the opera), etc. I’m also of well, well above average intelligence, which should be obvious from my prose structure. I’m also healthy and quite good-looking. The Seattle-area, like many coastal cities, has a very high average age of first marriage, something like 32, which means that I’m looking at a bunch of women who’re entering the decline of their ability to successfully carry. Now if I do manage to attract one of these women I’m going to have to make sure I live in an area where I can send them to a good school, i.e. one with low percentages of NAMs.

    Steve Sailer has written about just how expensive it has become to raise children in a middle-class environment, something I’d suggest you read up on.

    Greg, I simply don’t understand how someone so obviously acquainted with the Roissysphere and Stevosphere could made the statements you make.

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  215. Bhetti you are on FIEahh tonight! Laughed out loud kind of funny.

    I’m just wondering if any of the regulars here would answer in the affirmative on this survey? I think most wil say no, but judging by how much time some of us spend here I wonder…. Just sayin.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/15/internet.sex.survey/index.html?eref=rss_tech

    “Of course when it comes to TV, perhaps size matters, at least according to a different survey earlier this year of Britons conducted by electronics retailer Comet. Almost half of the men polled said they would give up sex for six months in return for a 50-inch plasma TV, according to Reuters”

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  216. To blame an older man’s limp dick on his old wife is absurd. Sure, she’s not as hot as she was, but a young man has no trouble getting it up under any circumstances, whether his woman is hot, ugly, inflatable, non-existent or whatever. The thing even pops up for no discernable reason on a regular basis.

    There’s a lot of denialism here about the effects of aging on men. It may be true that men don’t hit a wall like women do, but the effects of aging on men are bad enough. I don’t actually see a lot of older guys with young hotties in real life, and when I do they seem to be guys with money and status.

    There are exception, but most 50+ single males are just as pathetic as their female counterparts. Most of you here will not be banging young hotties unless you pay for it.

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  217. Excellent post, Roissy. I shake my head slowly in wonder at the quality of your writing.

    Slightly off topic-

    http://www.livescience.com/culture/090213-men-want.html

    Am I the only one not quite buying this?

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  218. on September 30, 2009 at 1:31 am gunslingergregi

    Asher buddy not talking about having kids in us that would be stupid. You need to go back through the archives and learn some things.

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  219. on September 30, 2009 at 1:33 am gunslingergregi

    I have a kid now not breaking my bank account at all.

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  220. on September 30, 2009 at 1:35 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Anon,
    and when I do they seem to be guys with money and status.””””””’

    Wow so there is the magic formula that any man can make happen. Fantastic. Thanks for proving the fucking point.

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  221. on September 30, 2009 at 1:40 am gunslingergregi

    I blame the mass posting on being sick you all got me riled up he he he

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  222. No Lash, you’re not the only one not buying this.

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  223. anon

    To blame an older man’s limp dick on his old wife is absurd. Sure, she’s…

    Anon, have you ever considered that it’s possible to make inflamatory remarks that are so off the mark, so dumb, so out of touch with what smart people can easily recognize as common sense, as to be not worth responding to?

    I doubt that thought ever occurred to you.

    I guess you consider yourself worthy of having aduld conversation.

    You are not even boring – you are below boring. Not even a sidetrack. You. are. retarded.

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  224. @Lash

    What’s amusing is women already seem to place importance on male financial stability. Add in a new male preference for financial stability and all the rich men marry rich women and poor women are left with poor men. Hmm, wonder how that might affect income distributions …

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  225. @Greg

    I gave very specific reasoning behind my positions, rooted in what’s discussed both HBD and Game-related sites. Please respond to my specific points.

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  226. One thing about birth control and genetic testing is that alphas will dwindle with the passing decades.

    Since women are only going to allow the children of men who will be able to support them to be born, people like Roissy who have no intention of ever supporting a child will not reproduce.

    What do you think Roissy? Does it bother you at all that you may be of a dying breed? Or do you believe there’s another mechanism that will let you and your kind persist?

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  227. Re older men with younger women

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2652040/Meet-blonde-martial-arts-ace-Ashley-Wolfe-who-battled-two-squaddies.html

    Here is a link to a 57 year old guy married to a 24 year old woman. From the pics you can tell that he doesn’t have looks, that he is a martial arts instructor pretty much guarantees that he doesn’t have money, and the fact that no one has heard of him displays his lack of fame. What he does have is attitude. I know the guy. He is a psycho, a natural and has pulled 20 year olds since his divorce at 40. The downside is that his wife is a psycho too. She is 5’3” and cold cocked a 6’ member of the Coldstream Guards.

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  228. Lash-

    Good to see you take on Roissy,,,,guess who?

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  229. >Wow so there is the magic formula that any man can make happen. Fantastic. Thanks for proving the fucking point.

    Any man can have money and status? Sure, that’s why so many don’t. And I thought game was supposed to be more important than money and status anyway.

    >Here is a link to a 57 year old guy married to a 24 year old woman.

    I didn’t say it doesn’t happen – but it’s quite rare. The proportion of men – including men who did well with the ladies when they were younger – who can pull this off is very low. I just don’t see it day to day. But don’t worry, you (whoever’s reading this) will be the exception.

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  230. “So if you are a young fat chick, lose the weight pronto, cause you’re throwing away the best years of your life.”

    This is very good. This is good advice. I mean I don’t think it’s “the best years of your life” in an all-around sense but you’ll definately never have a twenties body in your thirties and beyond. I don’t find this post depressing at all either. Good work.

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  231. David Deangelo talking about this topic. Check it out:

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  232. Aww…I’m heading toward my 27th birthday, and I need to stop reading this blog. It makes me want to kill myself!

    Oh well, at least I’m not fat.

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  233. on September 30, 2009 at 10:45 am gunslingergregi

    anon,

    Money and power are fun.

    Watch scarface but do it legally and don’t use your own supply.

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  234. on September 30, 2009 at 10:52 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””Consider me: educated, middle-class asperations, a taste for nice things (I have season tickets to the opera), etc. I’m also of well, well above average intelligence, which should be obvious from my prose structure. I’m also healthy and quite good-looking. The Seattle-area, like many coastal cities, has a very high average age of first marriage, something like 32, which means that I’m looking at a bunch of women who’re entering the decline of their ability to successfully carry. Now if I do manage to attract one of these women I’m going to have to make sure I live in an area where I can send them to a good school, i.e. one with low percentages of NAMs.

    Steve Sailer has written about just how expensive it has become to raise children in a middle-class environment, something I’d suggest you read up on.

    Greg, I simply don’t understand how someone so obviously acquainted with the Roissysphere and Stevosphere could made the statements you make.
    ”””””””””””””’
    Yea your in wrong area. My kid is going to grow up with his choice of woman and they are not going to be 30 they are going to be hot 18 year olds. He will be growing up chillin like a villin. He will not have to worry about impregnating woman no biggie. He can bust out as many kids as he wants to be taken care of by the “family”

    By middle class environment do you mean the people who pay money for there house and cars then have less spending money than someone on food stamps?

    Good school I can hire his very own private teacher’s plural and have him be the most edumucated child on the planet. I can also teach him how to beat the game of life so he is not middle class or any class but a class of his own.

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  235. on September 30, 2009 at 11:08 am gunslingergregi

    Half summer vacations will be spent learning various trades. Automotive repair, heavy equipment repair, electrician, HVAC repair, small engine repair, carpentry, plumbing, circuit board repair. Will buy a boat have him taught sailing, swimming, fishing. Of course he will be enrolled in some mma classes so he can personnaly easily defend himself against 99 percent of population. Will buy his way into the local stock exchange for an internship. Also whereever else his interest may lie will have him work under people that can show him some piece of work life that might be interesting to him. Of course he can play at managing some of my shit or if hes got some ideas go ahead and test em out.

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  236. kalli0pe brutally confessed:

    Aww…I’m heading toward my 27th birthday, and I need to stop reading this blog. It makes me want to kill myself!

    Really? You really shouldve told me you were a cougar

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  237. on September 30, 2009 at 11:25 am mandy been here a while

    “As long as a woman can look ten years younger than her own daughter, she is perfectly satisfied.”

    Oscar Wilde

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  238. FeministX,

    He says he is Mystery is “from my generation” in this post:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/worlds-greatest-pickup-artist-goes-down/

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  239. Gunslinger, congrats on your mini-you. You have a good plan laid out.

    But don’t forget to give him God. He needs to know who he is and not flail around in a meaningless universe.

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  240. I once knew a hot 45 year old woman with a superfat 20 year old daughter.

    Is that wrong?

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  241. Lash, for that article, you have to be able to speak Womanian.

    Notice, “mutual attraction and love” ranked first.

    “Mutual attraction and love” is Womanian for “must be hot/make gina tingle”.

    So today as opposed to years past, hot/gina tingle is more important than “dependable character” (won’t cheat or make you miserable). What’s really disturbing is that this was #1 for both genders.

    Welcome to the matrix.

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  242. @ Firepower –

    Err, why? We barely talk to each other.

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  243. A person with one handicap will fare better than one with two. That’s all you had to say.

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  244. kalli0pe

    @ Firepower –

    Err, why? We barely talk to each other.

    if you want to discuss Duran Duran and the Reagan years, just be aware it intimidates me

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  245. A person with one handicap will fare better than one with two. That’s all you had to say.

    I agree.

    I think there should have been a “suicide is not an option poll” to see if Roissy’s theories play out in real life.

    Option 1, young fattie from a previous post:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/fat-or-not-fat/

    Option 2, old lady, who looks like this, from upthread:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1035786/Why-Helen-Mirren-sexy-sixties-role-model-growing-old-gracefully.html

    Both reasonable attractive individuals, considering their “handicaps” (fattie and old, respectively). Who would you rather do, and why?

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  246. Gunny, is it just a plan or is the baby already on the way?

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  247. Duran Duran? What kind of newfangled garbage is that? You youngsters are crazy these days. I’d rather cut a rug to Jerry Lee Lewis or that fancy negro Little Richard. If it was good enough for Dwight D, it’s good enough for me!

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  248. kalli0pe

    Duran Duran? What kind of newfangled garbage is that? You youngsters are crazy these days. I’d rather cut a rug to Jerry Lee Lewis or that fancy negro Little Richard. If it was good enough for Dwight D, it’s good enough for me!

    you’re a fan of D-Eis too?
    If you wear poodle skirts, i’m a goner.
    Army-McCarthy hearings get me tingly

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  249. oops, sorry. i thought you were sofia-I only talk dirty Mid-20th Century Republican Administration talk to her plus you minos all look alike to me. who are you again?

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  250. @Greg

    *sigh*

    Too bad, I was actually hoping for a constructive conversation where, you know, people actually responded to each others positions and gained understanding from another perspective. I guess I’m on the wrong site.

    BTW, I don’t do badly with women, even with younger women. I have imbibed “game theory” for about 3 years and have pretty good attributes to begin with. The thing I noticed is that when I ended my goal of having kids, qua goal, I began focusing on women my own age.

    Also, Greg, you are ignoring the raw sex ratio stats. You are also ignoring Roissy’s explicitly stated position that our civilization is doomed, in the rather near to mid-term.

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  251. @Greg

    *sigh*

    Too bad, I was actually hoping for a constructive conversation where, you know, people actually responded to each others positions and gained understanding from another perspective. I guess I’m on the wrong site.

    no shit. You want Hot Girlgame

    http://girlgame.wordpress.com/

    PA

    I once knew a hot 45 year old woman with a superfat 20 year old daughter.

    Is that wrong?

    only
    biblically

    mout

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  252. Interesting points, but R is about 5-8 years off on the detrimental effects of aging.

    Unless he’s basing it on Russian chicks or something.

    Also, everyone truly does age at a different pace.

    How long one’s telomeres are impacts perceived external aging.

    Besides being overweight which accelerates aging, tanning, being exposed to pollutants, drinking and smoking are also bad buzzkills to looks.

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  253. on September 30, 2009 at 1:13 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Pupu
    Gunny, is it just a plan or is the baby already on the way?
    ””””””””’

    Been had one adopted. Crawling as we speak. Has been taught to say papa. he he he

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  254. on September 30, 2009 at 1:25 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’PA
    Gunslinger, congrats on your mini-you. You have a good plan laid out.

    But don’t forget to give him God. He needs to know who he is and not flail around in a meaningless universe.
    ””””””””’

    He has already been taught the name of god in our family he he he

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  255. on September 30, 2009 at 1:26 pm gunslingergregi

    Talk about unselfish wife she taught him papa before anything else anyway. Seriously though he will be getting the god thing about 5 times a day I think.

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  256. Obesity is a uniquely American/European phenomenon, where genetics, combined with gluttony for fatty foods and a lack of exercise, produced many beach whales a.k.a BBW princesses. Asian women in Asia are slim for the most part.

    Also, in America, you have a whole new perverse subculture that promotes the idea that ‘big is beautiful’. A fattie woman + delusional self-esteem = BBW.

    Fat is no big deal for women. All I hope is heart disease claims their pathetic lives sooner, so the planet can save some resources.

    Now, ageing is frightful to any woman. The cosmetic industry, Botox and anti-age creams make lots of money every year. If you’re looking for a recession proof industry, this is it.

    A woman’s looks fall off a cliff after a certain age. The crow’s feet and turtle neck start to appear, and bit by bit they become more desperate in their attempts to recapture and retain what’s left of their youthful looks. This period also coincides with the baby rabies and ‘I partied enough, now I wanna settle down’ phases.

    But that’s the way it is for women – they age like milk.

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  257. @ Firepower-

    Don’t mind me, I’m just here for the lulz. And the ongoing retarded race war.

    @ spunk-

    “Obesity is a uniquely American/European phenomenon”

    BS. You haven’t traveled much in Russia, Samoa, Mexico or the Philippines, have you?

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  258. Gunny, congrats!!! Muah muah ha ha ha!

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  259. Obesity is a uniquely American/European phenomenon,

    idiot. stop blaming whitey

    Obesity and associated diseases (diabetes, high pressure, heart attack) are widely disseminated in India, Brazilian Slums and Mexico. Mexico has actually american levels of Obesity

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  260. The same way Women overeat because of emotional rpoblems, whole countries got thraumatyzed by European Colonialism and European Racism, thus generating the Obesity epidemic of today

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  261. roissy, I can’t believe you’ve gone ‘primal’. My estimation of your intelligence jumped by several points. I would be interested to hear more about your decision to do so and your experiences so far.

    BTW, can’t you have a little more sympathy for fat people now that you realize that all conventional wisdom on diet, exercise, weight loss, fat and carbohydrates etc is ass-backwards? Not everyone is mentally strong enough to admit that their doctor might be wrong about saturated fat. Lots of fat people are trying incredibly hard to get thin, and failing miserably, because they are doing everything wrong.

    “Going natural isn’t something one does specifically for the weight loss. It’s for one’s health. The weight loss is just one of the more obvious side effects of becoming healthier. By the same, it makes underweight, sickly, lanky people gain weight and feel better.”

    Yep. I am still underweight, but look vastly better with 10 extra pounds.. and put on muscle with no effort. I am firm and cut (for a girl), and I don’t work out at all – just stay active in my daily life, lift and carry heavy things on a regular basis, and do some steady jogging or sprints a few times per month. I’ve heard that ‘up to 80% of body composition is determined by diet, not exercise’ and in my case it seems to be true.

    Also, I have had 2 mild illnesses in the last 4 years, which is fucking awesome. When I was a vegetarian I was constantly getting sick.

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  262. Obesity isn’t exclusively American, but the type and level of obesity in the U.S. and U.K. is different from what used to happen just from folks being well fed.

    If you look at chubby FLDS women, that’s what obesity used to look like:sturdy, rosey, and well earned with hard work. Something like this:

    This is not what we’re seeing squeezing themselves into spandex pants with “SEXY” spelled out in rhinestones today.

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  263. BTW, can’t you have a little more sympathy for fat people now that you realize that all conventional wisdom on diet, exercise, weight loss, fat and carbohydrates etc is ass-backwards?

    Nope. I’m sick of people telling me how I have a terrible diet…while they think they are morally superior for avoiding “meat” and “saturated fat.”

    Even people that literally saw me lose 30 lbs. over the course of 6 months after I went “primal” 3 years ago, they still think I’m crazy for scarfing down bacon and eggs every morning.

    As for Fat vs. Aging…it’s kind of a false premise, because fat people are eating too much sugars, grains/starchy carbs and usually way too much Omega 6 fatty acids in vegetable oils, they will have much higher levels of oxidation and free radicals in their bodies, that will age them much quicker than a person who went primal.

    At 36 years of age, I still get carded for alcohol. The clerks/doormen that do so usually do a double take when they see my age on my ID.

    There is probably no more important factor to the effects of aging than your diet. The SAD (standard American diet) will age people much quicker than people who eat natural, wholesome REAL Food.

    I also don’t believe in the whole “genetic” argument either. I would attribute south american beauty that Roosh refers to as people who do not eat all of the processed garbage of the Big Agricultural Corporations and their ubiquitous propaganda that have the American Sheeple eating millions of carbs, thinking they’re healthy because they are “low fat” and “plant-based.”

    Finally, in terms of male fertility, diet also has a profound effect.

    The human body requires saturated fats to produce all of the hormones your body needs to function. Eat a low fat, high carb diet, and it’s no wonder that by the time a man is in his mid 40’s he can’t even see his own poker because of his distended gut, and his testosterone production is way below normal.

    The biggest dietary lie of our age has been the demonization of saturated fats and the the entire scam of making everyone scared of their cholesterol numbers.

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  264. Now another factor that must be discussed is your own ability to snare a hot chick based on your own looks. See, while you may rate someone highly, the chances of them wanting to go out with you is based on chemistry and personality for the most part. Well, at least there are strip clubs, right?

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  265. Hey guys, FGS show some sensitivity.

    What if Jane Fonda reads this. How do you think she’d feel ?

    Well ?

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  266. From The Daily Mail – the paper of record for British disintegration:

    Fatties – the horror, the horror

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  267. Ayrdale

    Hey guys, FGS show some sensitivity.

    What if Jane Fonda reads this. How do you think she’d feel?

    She was smokin’ hot when she was young, so her feelings don’t matter anymore.

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  268. You are all discussing the blog post I just read, correct? The one that included the line: “At 40 it’s all over for Girl A. She is ballast on society. If she died, no one would miss her”?

    I’m just slightly confused as to why those with dissenting opinions are the trolls.

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  269. There would be some variation – some woman age faster than others, some woman look after themselves better. I think some woman could look good up to 50 , if they are lucky and take good care of themselves.

    Some woman were naturally hotter to start with, will retain some hotness longer. How many hotness points are lost per year due to aging? And at what point does a woman fall off the ‘sexual radar’? Suppose a woman hits their peak at 20, and thereafter loses 1 hotness point / per 5 years. And a woman ‘falls off the radar’ once they fall to a rating of 4 or less.

    A 20 year old who is a perfect ten has only lost 3 hotness points by 35, and would still be a 7. They wouldn’t fall off the radar for another 15 years (age 50) at which they’re down a rating of 4. Whereas an average 7 at age 20 has indeed lost all hotness by 35.

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  270. guy above wants to fit women´s sex market value (SMV) and time in a least squares regression line

    nerd detected.

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  271. Oh god. Some day I’ll be 40, and I won’t be able to sleep with Roissy? Bummer.

    Reading this blog, the only upside for a woman is to be so old that the Roissys of the world disappear. Who wants to be 21, and stuck with an asshat who only wants me for my fast-fading looks? And then calls me a slut for sleeping with him? (See previous post.)

    If I’m only valuable to guys like the writer of this blog when I don’t sleep with him, do whatever he says, and never age, I might as well be a big plastic doll… oh, wait…

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  272. Wait a sec….

    You frequently complain that women will never have The Babies if they don’t settle while young. But by 25, the woman is already aging and becoming unattractive to her partner? Why waste my career years to have a baby if I’m just going to be stuck raising it alone while the guy bangs another 21 year old?

    This blog makes no sense. I seriously think it’s a feminist practical joke (and the easily disproved pseudo science “he” spouts all the time supports this theory.)

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  273. well well looks who’s back. dizzy, why do you comment on posts that are two weeks old? come to the front page where the radiance of your intellect can arouse boners far and wide.

    Oh god. Some day I’ll be 40, and I won’t be able to sleep with Roissy? Bummer.

    it’s not just my affections you’ll have to worry about.

    Who wants to be 21, and stuck with an asshat who only wants me for my fast-fading looks?

    the cosmetics industry says most women do.

    And then calls me a slut for sleeping with him?

    silly dizzy. a slut is a chick who sleeps with lots of *other* men, not a chick who sleeps with me.

    I might as well be a big plastic doll…

    well, you’d be better conversation.

    You frequently complain that women will never have The Babies if they don’t settle while young.

    that’s not what i say.

    But by 25, the woman is already aging and becoming unattractive to her partner?

    25 is just past peak. it’s around 30 when a woman should start worrying.

    Why waste my career years to have a baby if I’m just going to be stuck raising it alone while the guy bangs another 21 year old?

    choose wisely, and you reduce the chance of that happening.

    This blog makes no sense.

    my blog is your purple saguaro.

    I seriously think it’s a feminist practical joke (and the easily disproved pseudo science “he” spouts all the time supports this theory.)

    latest from science: chick dig taken dudes.

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  274. on October 8, 2009 at 6:57 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””latest from science: chick dig taken dudes.””””

    This could be true lol

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  275. ROISSY!!!! wtf man!

    How many women in DC engage in weighttraining, squat AtG, eat meat, and drink whole milk??? FEW!

    If you want to get a sample you need to go to a serious Olympic weightlifting gym and go to local weightlifting competitions.

    Your Girl B is way off!!!

    Let me tell you how it goes.
    ——————-At 20:
    Girl A.
    (What you said is correct.) BUT her thighs and butt are mushy. They offer little resistance to a firm grab. The mushiness is found when you grab her arms and shoulder, but there is resistance offered by the muscles beneath.
    The thighs are shaped as an upside down triangle. Starting wide at the hips.

    Girl B.
    (What you said is correct) BUT her butt and thighs are starting to become curved. The outside of the leg curves out a bit. From a profile view the hamstrings curve out starting at the knee and insert bellow the butt cheek. Her butt, leg, arm, and shoulder is not as smooshy and a little more bouncy.

    ———————–25y.o:
    Girl A.
    (as roissy said!) Only add:
    —The small amount of muscle beneath her fat undergoes atrophy (meaning getting smaller+weaker).
    —The firmness of her skin is about to give up holding the shape of her youthful figure. But thus far it holds.
    —Her entire body is very smooshy. You can grab her arm and sqwees all the down until you reach bone.
    —Her thighs and butt are loosing their previous shape, and are very smooshy. If you grab her butt cheek and hold a handfull of fatty tissue on your hands.
    (It doesn’t matter if she weights 110lbs or 160lbs, body decomposition has little to do with Body Weight unless you go above 160lbs.)
    —Her tits are growning.

    –Her man feels that if he grabs her too hard she will break.

    Girl B.
    at 165lbs

    ———————–30y.o:
    Girl A:
    (same as roissy!) Only add:
    -Now her flesh has given up. Her ass takes whatever form the tight jeans give it. It looks like the bottom of a draddle, with a crack down its center.

    Some women restrict their diet at this age, but they still keep eating High simple carbs, and low protein diet.
    –The bodies of these women still have no shape, they look like a big rectangle set on top of two small sticks.
    —And the skin looks sick. ew…

    Girl B:
    10-12lbs heavier than at 20years old.
    -Her age shows in the face, hands, feet, and elbows. Her skin also shows age.
    —-IF! she keeps training competitevly her body will look like at 25y.o.
    —-IF! she does not compete anymore but still trains. There will be a small decomposition muscle. She will retain her general shape, only she will be a bit more smooshy. But still hotter than girl A at 25.

    —————————35years old.

    Girl A:
    (READ ROISSY!)

    The other are the skinni, sick looking women, that look like sticks walking around….. ew

    Girl B:
    same weight.
    Age is clearly visible in her face and skin.

    —IF she competes she can retain her shape of 20 or 25 years old.

    –she is 35+, and has kids, weight of 116lbs.

    —If she doesn’t compete but still lifts she will mantain it, but decomposition continues.
    ————————————————————–
    ————————————————————–
    So yea roissy…… if you want to bang athletic women in DC:

    There is good crossfit gym in DC: “Primal Fitness”

    There is a weightlifting club in Potomac: “Capital Barbell”

    There is a weightlifting and MMA club in Geithersburg: “SIMA Studios”

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  276. Old post, but I felt like commenting anyway.

    [email protected]
    “Too bad, I was actually hoping for a constructive conversation where, you know, people actually responded to each others positions and gained understanding from another perspective. I guess I’m on the wrong site. …… Also, Greg, you are ignoring the raw sex ratio stats. You are also ignoring Roissy’s explicitly stated position that our civilization is doomed, in the rather near to mid-term.”

    I think that Greg was engaging you – in a unique style. Notice that he gave you good advice. You seem quite intelligent, but the way you are worded this indicates a lurking inflexibility of thought and a tendency to take Roissy’s points on the weight of authority.

    A vice of mine is that I am incapable of brevity. I have no desire to hijack this thread, so will refrain from posting the bloody 3 page comment I just wrote.

    I suggest Greg the Gunslinger’s advice is worth considering in depth.
    I suggest that what you think of as the incipient doom of “Western” (read Anglo-American) civilization is something else.
    The doom of specific social and class strata in this civilization is a possibility. But Paris Hilton and later her daughters, (when the slut finally breeds) will be slurping cocktails (and semen) with the jet set long after Middle Class American civilization falls into a Mad Max dystopian nightmare.

    For some, Western (actually Anglo-American) civilization will continue. The idea that our civilization is going down the tubes is an absurd one for someone with no moral compass and an excess of liquid assets. Nostalgia notwithstanding.

    Greg made an obvious poke at your choice of phrase – middle-class. You said that you have middle class aspirations. Why?

    I am sure it has dawned on you to question certain aspirations, but have you questioned them enough? What it is about a middle class life that should be normative and desirable, to YOU? Why you should not shift your aspirations to other class strata? These are not petty questions.

    Consider the possibility that what you think of as “middle class” isn’t really middle class.
    Consider the possibility that what you conceptualize as a proper middle class life, is really far from ideal, and should be questioned ruthlessly.
    Consider the possibility that far from playing with your pills, what you thought was a blue pill was actually a red one, and vice versa.

    At some point in the 20th century, in Ango-American Civilization, the “middle classes” became almost synonymous with the educated managerial and service classes. Their specific modes of civilization ARE under attack from many quarters, some covert and others quite overt. Some appear accidental, others have the clear signature of rigorous planning and disciplined implementation. Whether this is good or bad simply depends on in whose shoes you stand. What I see as BAD and a CLEAR sign of civilization distress, is likely expected and fortuitous to some of the very parties that a superficial and naïve analysis would expect to be sympathetic to he plight of an “American civilization in decline”

    In short, the fall of civilization, for you, is simply irrelevant to “our” elites, those who are far from fearing civilization’s decay – for they have a far tighter grip on the situation then you’re comfortable imagining. Their communities and schools won’t be affected.

    I will not push this, and have no interest in arguing at length. An 11th grader of above average IQ and reading ability can honestly reflect on this, and arrive to his own conclusions. One who can’t – or won’t – does himself a disfavor. Summed up in three sentences.

    We were sold a false bill of good from boyhood up. You figured out the bit about girls and sex, but now you must have the balls to figure out the rest. If you do not, or can not, then I wish you good luck, and a good day.

    Greg’s point was that with a certain type of lifestyle you don’t need to fear certain things. You do not have to be wealthy for this. There are plenty of people who live below their means and use their surplus to make things work the way they want. OR you can consume it. Your choice.

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  277. [email protected]

    At 36 years of age, I still get carded for alcohol. The clerks/doormen that do so usually do a double take when they see my age on my ID

    Heh. I know this feeling well.
    I end up hanging out with a younger set most of whom never seem to wonder my age. When I make cultural references from the 80s it confuses people and slowly a light bulb goes off over their head.. “um, like, how old are you anyway..”

    36 isn’t old, really it’s still in a man’s youth. We should look young at 36, or at least vibrant.

    You make a good point about Omega 6 and Omega 3 imbalance. The quality of food is critical. So too is the mode of eating.

    I read Hofmekler’s “Warrior Diet” years ago, and found it helpful. Recently I stumbled across another interesting work titled “Eat Stop Eat”. It’s claims are well backed by research, as were Warrior Diet’s. Both are controversial. Eat stop eat is probably a better approach for really over weight people of otherwise good health. One simply doesn’t eat for a day, a couple of times a week. That is, observe a few 24 hour food fasts, but continue to drink water, tea, or coffee. Nothing with calories.

    After a certain period of hours your body switches into a fasting mode.
    You do NOT go into a starvation state. Your body DOES burn fat at an increased rate.

    Most people criticizing fasting really haven’t even looked at the science properly and just repeat myths rather than scientific fact.

    Fasting is uncomfortable – at first – but it is all psychological, most of our social rituals are centered around consumption. People have an absurd fear of not eating. This is totally abnormal in human history and there already is a LARGE body of scientific literature on the benefits of intermittent fasts.

    – Primal diet + Intermittent fasting is King.

    – Normal junky American diet + intermittent fasting = you loose weight and get some health benefits even without totally cleaning up a junky diet.

    Only a caloric deficit will cause one to loose weight. This is established science. Fasting is a way to produce a caloric deficit over a time span while getting your body to efficiently metabolize fat stores.

    How to do it?

    Take a calendar. take a high lighter, mark 2 or 3 days. e.g. Mon, Wed, Fri. Or Tues, Fri.
    At – say – 6PM or 8PM the day before your first marked day, eat your last meal. Dinner.

    Simply do not eat again until 6PM or 8PM the next day.

    Extend it past 24 hours, make your LUNCH the last meal of the day, eat at 3PM.
    Do not eat again until 8PM the next day.

    Bingo, instant 29 hour fast.

    It only feels hard the first few times due to psychological conditioning. Period. Trust me, unless you are diabetic it is all in your mind.

    Statistically more females tend to suffer headaches during the first few days of a fast. There are studies on Jewish females during Yom Kippur and Muslim females during Ramadan. Scientists have no idea WHY women tend to suffer more fast related headaches, but they suspect it is a (get this..) addition related withdraw reaction, similar to coffee headaches.

    Either way it is still good for you.

    Ladies and gentlemen, it really does come down to you. You can still eat like a slob into an early grave, but gain a couple of more years on your life and at least leave a svelte attractive corpse by fasting 3 days every week.

    Fast states are linked to longevity.
    People, you now officially have no excuse.

    And it suits this little blackamoor just fine.

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  278. Did it EVER occur to you that MEN are not “all that” either?

    NO ONE is perfect and the hands of TIME cannot be stopped or turned back.

    YOU GUYS are PIGS!!!!!

    I am one of the most well kept females I know, yet in my relationships and my close friendships I have found that MEN tend to DRIVE WOMEN TO not caring so much anymore. Why do you think that, after a break up ladies tend to EASILY drop weight and look happier? I have seen it a million times.

    MAYBE if ladies were treated better, they would DESIRE to stay hot for you. Sometimes they just get to the point where it no longer matters to them.

    Time to look in the mirror guys.
    Examine YOURSELVES and stop degrading women.
    Maybe one that COB is out of your ass you can fit your HEAD in there instead.

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  279. on January 4, 2010 at 2:34 am Cannon's Canon

    “I am one of the most well kept females I know, yet in my relationships and my close friendships I have found that MEN tend to DRIVE WOMEN TO not caring so much anymore.”

    Not for nothing: I would game the shit out of you.

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  280. Just read some of the other replies here. I am an early 40 something female. I look good. I find that men, somewhere between 37 and 39 years old, start to look ragged. I am not sure why so many of you say older women look bad when I see the opposite. Lots of women do, but I think more men do.

    Now, with regard to getting it up, isn’t there some age thing that happens to men where it’s harder for them to keep it up? Geez, I already find you boys blow your load before due time just cause you get turned on. You need to learn control. Good sex to me is when the guy can apply techniques to hold back, thus making it last. I do it and look for men with that same skill. Breathing techniques boys, learn’em.

    I am not interested in older men. I think most of you all look crusty and won’t be able to keep up with me. Your dinky’s will fail before I am ready. I want someone no older than me, a little younger would be better.

    They say men die like 8 years earlier than women. I do not want to be alone in my old age.

    Now, I don’t deny that I am not 20 anymore. There is a difference, why yes, of course. But, do not fool yourselves into thinking that you look or hold up better. I think for both sexes, there is a challenge to find someone who takes care of themselves, both physically and mentally. That person is the catch. I put myself in that category as well.

    Be careful, life has a way of making people boring, unenthused and unhappy. This is what will take you down. Never lose sight of the things that make you an individual and make you a happy person. Key, people…this is key. Losing your spirit is what makes you look bad.

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  281. wow. what a lot of hate on this blog. Men who are so adamant about the unattractiveness of older women are really just very insecure about their own shortcomings and mortality. If the majority of you men are to be believed,then Demi Mooore, MIchelle Pfieffier, Jennifer Aniston, and even Angelina Jolie are just dogs–as all these women are well over 30–even into–gasp–50’s! Sorry. You haters (insecure) are just wrong. Many 50 year old women are hot goddesses who just don’t seem to age. And–furthermore—men with money, power and looks don’t generally waste time trying desperately to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies by putting down women–they are too busy being winners.

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  282. Yeah, all those women you named spent A LOT of cash to look this way and sweat their butts out in the gym, because it’s a part of their job to look a certain way, otherwise they just don’t get any parts. And even with all this, Demi still got cheated by Ashton with a 20 smthg girl, so there you go, all the fillers and stuff didn’t help here in retaining the faithfullness of her young man.

    Now, for your regular women it’s a world of difference, really, celebrities are the worst example you could pick in this matter.

    The biggest problem with aging women, is that they simply start resembling men in terms of facial features that due the loss of fat and couple of other things, become coarse and sharp, plus lips thin and the nose grows bigger. Men at least do not start to look like the opposite sex, they just usually let themselves go HORRIBLY at certain age, but still it’s nowhere near of what happens to women.

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  283. […] (*Translating from the femcuntspeak, “real women” = aging, slovenly lardasses.) […]

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  284. on February 19, 2011 at 11:15 am Charlesz Martel

    Appropriate joke:

    An 18 year old girl marries an 80 year old man, Her plan is to fuck him to death on their wedding night, and inherit his fortune.

    She waits for him in bed, and he shows up wearing earmuffs, a condom, and a clothespin on his nose. Rather alarmed, he asks him:”What all that for, honey?”.

    He responds, “There’s two things I can’t stand- the smell of burning rubber and the sound of a woman screaming!”.

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  285. There’s a woman in my hood somewhere between 70-85 years of age with a million plastic surgeries who wears expensive high fashion clothing and huge hats, tons of makeup, muscled arms (she’s obviously weight lifting) and dies her hair blonde. She wears bikinis to the beach and from a far distance behind you almost think, “there’s a hot blonde on the beach today”……. then you get closer and you can see she’s old, then you see her face and you see she’s had about 12 surgeries.

    Its funny.

    I don’t know why she does this but I think its for her profession, which she’s become quite wealthy from (not hooking), which requires her to deal with the public.

    Regarding men aging better than women – if they have a lot of melanin in their skin. They are the only men who can pull off the bald look, they can pass for 35 at 50 and they retain good muscle tone throughout their life.

    Y’all know who I’m talkin’ bout.

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  286. Anonymous 3 says:

    “Regarding men aging better than women – if they have a lot of melanin in their skin. They are the only men who can pull off the bald look, they can pass for 35 at 50 and they retain good muscle tone throughout their life.

    Y’all know who I’m talkin’ bout.”

    One of the many repulsive traits of the Negro is a self-regard that bears no relationship to its actual worth. Here’s a free horoscope: try really, really hard, and you might be able to one day bed a fattie who shops at Wal-Mart.

    Go now and pollute this blog no more.

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  287. Any female over 44 is not a woman but a lady. It’s like an upgrade.
    A 20 year old “fatty” is MUCH hotter than a lady my age.

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  288. I know this is an old post, but I have a question:

    When is the optimal time for a woman to commit suicide? Should she kill herself at 25 to go out on top? Or at 35, when she’d gotten all she’s going to get?

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  289. based on your comment the optimal time for you is now

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  290. Yeah

    It depends on the method chosen. If pills, do it while you are a teenager. That way, everyone will feel really awful that you are dead because, even when dead, you will still look hot. And a dead hottie will get SO MUCH post-mortem sympathy and your parents really will feel tortured for the rest of their lives. ENJOY!!! If you tend towards using a suicide-bomb under your fupa, do it at your next family re-union.

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  291. Howdydoo says, “One of the many repulsive traits of the Negro is a self-regard that bears no relationship to its actual worth.”

    Generic White guy projecting.

    Black guys do overcompensate, but they and everybody else knows it when they’re doing it. It’s peacocking.

    Many White guys come here because they’re butthurt that pussy isn’t just going to fall on their dick because they’re grossing 40K/year.

    At least the person feigning irrational self confidence is faking it. You actually think you’re better than other people based on nothing you’ve done and nothing you are as an individual.

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  292. […] Some of you might be wondering how valid is a study that only looked at female undergraduates. To that criticism, I say: Would it make a difference? The most sexually valuable women are in the age range of 15-25. Any older than 25 and she is past her prime, already beginning the descent to sexual irrelevancy. (Exception: A fat 21 year old who loses weight and regains a sexy figure at age 30 will look better than her 21 year old self. But this effect only lasts so long.) […]

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  293. […] Some of you might be wondering how valid is a study that only looked at female undergraduates. To that criticism, I say: Would it make a difference? The most sexually valuable women are in the age range of 15-25. Any older than 25 and she is past her prime, already beginning the descent to sexual irrelevancy. (Exception: A fat 21 year old who loses weight and regains a sexy figure at age 30 will look better than her 21 year old self. But this effect only lasts so long.) […]

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  294. Dana, that was a classic response. My guess is ‘yeah’ was looking, in a sideways fashion naturally, for some affirmation.

    Sorry Toots! Your at the wrong web site. Might I suggest MSN/iVillage?

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