Did Michael Jackson Commit Suicide?

Based on the sketchy evidence that has come in so far, I don’t think this possibility can automatically be ruled out. Will we discover from the autopsy that his body was flooded with a massive dose of the painkiller Demerol? If so, was the overdose intentional or accidental?

What we know: Michael Jackson was 50. For a guy who didn’t want to grow up, turning 50 must have been a hammer blow to his already fragile prepubescently regressed psyche. He was in debt. Did the stress of a new worldwide tour to get him back in the black (innuendo intended) push him to the ultimate despair? He was underweight. As people age, their metabolisms slow and they begin packing on the unsightly pounds. There are only two (natural) ways to stay adolescent-thin as you age: Exercise, or eat a lot less. Michael Jackson didn’t look very healthy. Most likely, he solved the problem of middle age spread by drastically cutting down the amount of food he put in his mouth. Prolonged (as opposed to intermittent) intense calorie restriction can play havoc with a person’s psychological state, not to mention his health. Michael Jackson wanted to be white. No sense pussy-footing around that, it was as obvious as the caucasian inspired reconstruction of his face and skin, and his (very) white-looking kids. Did his living with being black finally tumble over into self-immolation?

Most importantly, Michael Jackson was fucked in the head from his father’s mistreatment. The manboy was robbed of a childhood (imagine having to hear your brothers banging groupies at the age of 11 as you hide under the bedsheets sticking your fingers in your ears). Jackson was a genuinely asexualized, emotionally stunted, and fantasy-prone age-regressed headcase. Did he believe, or want to believe, that he was still an 11 year old boy? It’s possible Jackson really did see himself as a little kid and it felt natural and normal to him to have boys over for slumber parties. Whether his adult-sized id led him to rest his chemically bleached penis in those kids’ hands is an open question, but does the pedophilic sexual urge of an adult necessarily have to be mutually incompatible with psychological self-identification as a young boy?

If Jackson imagined he was a boy, he would have most feared getting old. For him, aging would have been an encroaching horror he was unable to grasp, let alone cope with in the way most humans cope with the slow decay of their bodies — through the liberal use of happy clappy platitudes and a healthy sense of self-delusion. If you wake up and see a creature in the mirror looking less and less like the boy you think you are, it could send you off the cliff edge. Especially when the real boys you like having over for pillow fight parties start becoming more creeped out by “the old man” who wants to play with them.

Add up all the above, and the speculation of suicide as the cause of Jackson’s death seems reasonable.

Thoughts on Farrah Fawcett:

Cancer sucks, but anal cancer is just humiliating. How does one get anal cancer? I can think of three ways. Random misfortune, eating too much red meat, or taking HPV-positive cocks in the ass. The mind wanders…

Thoughts on celebrity deaths in general:

I’ll never get the outpouring of grief by people who have never met their cultural heroes and don’t know them from Adam. I must be missing the gene for abject celeb worship. When Diana died, the maudlin displays of garment-rending anguish reaffirmed my deeply felt disgust for the mass of humanity. Fucking no-life losers.

When someone I love dies, it’s a big deal. When a pop singer dies, I couldn’t give less of a shit. Unless I’m writing a dastardly blog post insinuating everyone’s blessed icon offed himself.

Thoughts on Michael Jackson and Game:

When a get rejected, I moonwalk away from the girl.

I think Virgle Kent could do a funny retrospective on the Gloved One.

‘Beat It’ was my favorite MJ song. Eddie Van Halen composed the guitar riff for ‘Beat It’. Does it matter that Michael Jackson didn’t write any of his songs? As a music snob and hobbyist guitarist/drummer/clarinetist/pianist, I used to be of the opinion that “pop stars” who didn’t write a lick of music were unworthy of stardom, but that’s a limited view. MJ had a distinctive singing voice, he was a great dancer and popularized a lot of innovative dance moves, and he had charisma, however eccentric. His hit songs are catchy and he had a flair for showmanship. Composing music isn’t the only measure of talent.





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  1. Jackson did write a lot of his songs, though. He wrote at least most of his early hit singles–“Billie Jean” is entirely his, I think.

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  2. Thoughts on celebrity deaths in general:

    Really just makes for an up to date opener on a fly girl.

    As far as Michael Jackson:

    I really can’t look at recent pictures of him, but as a kid in the Jackson 5 he was mad fresh.

    On Michael Jackson’s voice:

    If you watch We Are The World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0 it could be argued that Jackson kind of outshined his counterparts.

    On Jackson the person:

    I never met the cat, but I have met Tom Mesereau in Las Vegas before and he told me he was on a personal level a very good person.

    – MPM

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  3. on June 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm Raymo in LeDroit

    He would have made it through turning 50 if he had only purchased a three wolf shirt.

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  4. on June 26, 2009 at 1:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    Thoughts on Game and Ed McMahon: I like to drop off big-ass checks to bitches.

    The only celebrity death I recall mourning was Eazy E. I clipped the obit from the local paper. After that, I grew up.

    As for the King of Pop, his legacy for me will be the Moonwalker arcade game. They made it for the Sega Genesis, but I lived in Europe when it dropped. I think they called it ‘Megadrive’. The Sega Genesis, that is.

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  5. “When a get rejected, I moonwalk away from the girl.”

    So do I.But only if I’m wearing my patent leather shoes.Which is to say,every time.

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  6. *slow 80’s clap for Roissy*

    Excellent. The Diana thing was out of control. one delusional closet case told me that she did more for the people in Calcutta than Mother Theresa.

    think about it: a cheating, lying, flight whore who foistered a fake child upon her husband, and then took round-the-world trips acting like Paris Hilton, drinking, sleeping around, and high as a kite, and then took a few photo ops with poor people and wasn;’t even a princess any more and was never Queen…

    And that was supposed to be better than Mother Theresa.

    the mind boggles at modern celebrity worship

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  7. My hero was my ex-gf’s father. He just turned 70 when she was about 25, and yet was banging an aerobics instructor younger (21) than his daughter. Who looked better.

    I broke up with her and never looked back.

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  8. I’m actually kind of sorry that Farah Fawcett’s death is being so overshadowed by Jackson’s. She deserves better. She was an attractive woman who kept herself in shape, liked men, wasn’t a screeching feminista (and back in the ’70’s it would actually have been a good career move),didn’t whine about her misfortunes, and was by all accouts a fairly decent, if unremarkable, person. The world could use a few more of those…

    Tschafer

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  9. Damn child molesting, surgery-addicted, wannabe white, whining falsetto freak should have committed suicide a long time ago!

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  10. imagine having to hear your brothers banging groupies at the age of 11 as you hide under the bedsheets sticking your fingers in your ears

    Imagine all the people in the world in past history – and even at the present time – who grew up in one-room huts both listening to and watching their parents and siblings having sex, yet did not turn into fucked up freaks. Is this really the explanation for why MJ is screwed up psychologically?

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  11. a gifted superstar idolized by millions – paid even more.

    pissed it all away

    fuck him sideways

    I would’ve fucked myself to death years ago. On Farrah’s pre-cancerous poop chute

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  12. Are anal caner and colon cancer two different things?

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  13. on June 26, 2009 at 1:42 pm Sal Paradise

    Roissy you may be right, but according to his wikipedia page, he wrote 4 of the 9 songs on “Thriller”. So I gotta give him some credit as a songwriter too. Sure he wasn’t Lennon/McCartney, but it wasn’t like most of the pop stars today that write none of their songs.

    What is up with celebrities and prescription drug overdoses though?

    Heath Ledger, Anna Nicole Smith, probably the King of Pop. I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting, but it seems to be a recent trend amongst them.

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  14. @ Sal – Ever taken a prescription drug pain killer? Not too bad if you don’t like who you are.

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  15. Agnostic has a good post up on how MJ vegetarianism likely contributed to his poor health:

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-dead-vegetarianism.html

    I doubt it was actual suicide, as it seems the Gloved One was practicing for his comeback the night before. If he were suicidal, he’d probably have little interest in getting back in the black financially. Also, successful suicides are more of a “masculine” thing (way more women *attempt* via pills and other weak measures, but way more men *succeed* via guns and other strong measures), and the one thing we can be absolutely certain of is that MJ was not masculine.

    My bet is that the autopsy will reveal many more chemicals than just a lethal dose of Demerol. Probably anti-depressants & anti-anxiety meds as well. Likely Jackson was somewhat complicit in all this…dr. shopping and booting out of his inner-circle those who refused to “enable” him.

    Saw one line today that summed it up pretty well: “Michael Jackson’s life was more tragic than his death”. Indeed. It’s hard not to feel a mix of empathy and revulsion when you take a cold-eyed look at his life. Can’t blame him entirely (abusive father), but neither was he an innocent by the end (serial molestation).

    I doubt you could find anyone who didn’t dig at least a half-dozen of his songs though. Anyone.

    For my $, Billie Jean was the tops.

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  16. PA

    I believe they are different.
    [pending more expert opinion]

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  17. given the huge audience in this blog, Roissy is throwing absurd and ridiculous topics because

    – he wants to feed the audience daily
    – he wants to joke with his buddies about how ridiculous a discussion he can lead people to.

    So I propose :

    – turn ridiculous posts (“movie at my door”,”pedophile suicides”) into race threads
    – or turn then into e-flirting between betas and IPs who claim to be hot girls

    I am seriously considering creating a female persona to e-flirt here in the absurd topics

    And I have one suggestion for futrure posts. The Extra-terrestrial question. This blog, and the whole HBD blogosphere, has never considered the possibility of life in other planets, and how would that impact HBD and game. How owuld you swoop a green girl with three eyes and two pussies?

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  18. did the Jackson’s really bang groupies? Considering how hard their father was, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in bed by 8 every night until they were 21 and not allowed to touch girls.

    Also, if they did have groupies, I would bet he was hard enough to not let them have anything but black groupies, to prevent bad press.

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  19. I despise celebrity worship- with that said- I am sad at the passing of MJ.

    He belonged to the world- literally- just like the Mona Lisa or the great pyramids of Egypt belong to humanity- MJ was a world treasure, and if the Pyramids were destroyed the earth would weep.

    Think of how much enjoyment he spread to billions when they first heard one of his songs- or watched one of his videos for the first time with those incredible dance moves.

    At times Listening to MJ you can feel The joy, the fun- and good life vibes- go to any dance club on a Friday night, and the moment the DJ decides to spin some MJ- the crowd will become electrified, it will become alive, try not to smile, or bob you head.

    To billions his death represents our shared mortality. He belonged to the earth- many still youthful generations claimed him as one of their own icons- he was one of the most well known people of all time- his death reminds us of our death.

    The world has a right to feel sad at his passing- there aren’t many other people that walk this earth which were as iconic as MJ was.

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  20. I have to agree with “Firepower” about Jackson – the guy seemed to have everything, and he pissed it all away. In Jackson’s (semi) defense, in a heathier society that did not idolize and enable disfunctional behavior from “victims”, and insisted on at least some behavioral standards from its celebrities, Jackson would have been a healthier, and a happier person, and probably still alive today. He was a victim, all right, but not in the way he thought he was.

    Tschafer

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  21. I am relieved that monster is dead. At least no other children will be victimized.

    One thing to watch though, I have noticed for some reason that most women do not see him as the monster that I do.

    They seem to be fascinated by that freak.

    I was at restaurant last night, and all the waitresses were gossiping about it. They asked me my opinion and I told them the same thing I wrote above. They looked at me like I had personally killed him.

    Something is going on here. Do women no longer have the drive to protect children from pedophiles?

    And before anyone starts feeding me that ‘innocent till proven guilty’ stuff, let me say that I am probably the only person on this blog who has ever met Michael Jackson personally, and been to his house (the rented mansion in Beverly Hills, not Neverland.) He was a serial child molester who preyed on troubled children. I have no doubts.

    The only downside is that he never had to pay for his crimes, and the army of people who enabled his criminal behavior never had to pay either. I only wish that they all were dead.

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  22. How owuld you swoop a green girl with three eyes and two pussies?

    Well she’d be loving my dope powder blue Brioni space suit with side vents and white silk interior… by the time she saw my Falcon 9 (drop top of course) she be’d mine.

    Not before I pressed her for information on how to score some E(T)-tabs

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  23. Michael Jackson is living proof that in America, you can be anything you want to be.

    He was a young black boy who grew up to be a famous white woman.

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  24. He belonged to the world- literally- just like the Mona Lisa or the great pyramids of Egypt

    this is beyond comments. I feel myself ashamed just to polute such quotes with my words

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  25. YOU NEVER SAW THESE TWO PHOTOGRAPHED TOGETHER!

    odd, how chic noir “suddenly” stopped posting when he died.

    the autopsy will reveal “he” was actually a “she” — with an IQ of 80

    and 18 SlimFast Bars clogging her colon.

    i’ll miss the bitch

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  26. And before anyone starts feeding me that ‘innocent till proven guilty’ stuff, let me say that I am probably the only person on this blog who has ever met Michael Jackson personally, and been to his house (the rented mansion in Beverly Hills, not Neverland.)

    AJ…. were you touched?

    Can you give us tips on molestation game?

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  27. 1) That he had his own hand in his demise was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard the news.

    2) Minority opinion for sure, but the only song he did that I really liked was “Human Nature” (1983). Worst was the more than execrable “The Doggone Girl Is Mine”, a duet with Paul McCartney notable for the awful line “I’m a lover not a fighter.” Blech.

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  28. Game in BK-

    If you bought any of his records after his ‘legal troubles’ began, then YOU helped him rape those children.

    “World Treasure?”

    Go fuck yourself scumbag.

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  29. Can you give us tips on molestation game?

    LOL

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  30. His heart couldn’t Beat It any more.

    It was Bad, but his death was a Thriller.

    Anybody else?

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  31. Seeking_Alpha-

    “Molestation Game?”

    I know your trying to be witty/funny, but it’s not really your strength.

    Put down the bong, before you type, next time.

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  32. He did that duet with Paul Mac where he, uh, hit on his own sister? One of those songs I liked when I was, what, 8, but now is awful.

    I was hurt more by Cobain’s death, but Cobain was still relevant and I was younger back then. But, for today at least, I am not going to dwell on MJ’s insanity.

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  33. I know your trying to be witty/funny, but it’s not really your strength.

    Put down the bong, before you type, next time.

    Sadly, we’re not allowed to smoke pot at work. But you’re probably right. I need a new style here.

    How about tips on creepy game?

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  34. on June 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm mandy been here a while

    lurker and gig are cracking me up. 🙂

    Maybe he wasn’t even a real person. Maybe he was a robot designed by his father or someone in the music biz.

    You really can’t prove me wrong.

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  35. If you bought any of his records after his ‘legal troubles’ began, then YOU helped him rape those children

    now I have a glimpse of what the Beta revolution will be.

    it will be Daivd Alexander and [email protected], dressed in black SS uniforms, invading homes to take to the gulags every men who has more girls than guys stored in his phone numbers AND people who have MJ albuns

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  36. S_A-

    “Creepy”

    What are you a little girl?

    Oh, I get it. LILLIAR is your whore/girlfriend or you wish she was.

    Now it all makes sense.

    “Sadly, we’re not allowed to smoke pot at work”

    Well maybe McDonalds will change that policy soon. Hey don’t stop chasing that dream.

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  37. the Bruno movie is already being censored for some scene involving jackson deemed offensive

    whats the world coming to when a British Jew posing as a flamboyantly gay Austrian media darling

    can’t parody a bleached, snipped nose pedophile

    psh. mout

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  38. A.J. Travis: “Something is going on here. Do women no longer have the drive to protect children from pedophiles?”

    If I had to guess here, I’d say that besides that star-struck factor, the idea the MJ didn’t actually *penetrate* these boys mitigates the thirst for justice. Not saying it’s right, but I remember in a psych class learning that all sorts of fucked up shit (dissociative states, depersonalization, the beginnings of psychopathology) occur when sexual abuse escalates to the level of penetration.

    What MJ did was sick and depraved, no doubt, but…it was seemingly less evil than what *thousands upon thousands* of RC priests have done over the last few decades.

    But it is weird how some people – and A.J. Travis is right that it seems to be more prevalent among women than men – don’t seem very inclined to pursue justice against Jackson (or the pedophilic priests, for that matter).

    It may come down to women’s greater amorality (at least, amorality within a systemic rather than a personal context), and women’s tendency to be led around by their emotions at the expense of their rationality.

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  39. How does one get anal cancer? I can think of three ways. Random misfortune, eating too much red meat, or taking HPV-positive cocks in the ass.

    Finally, somebody has the balls to publicly state the obvious.

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  40. Firepower, its coming to the liberal fantasy land: only straight white men are allowed to be figures of fun, especially if they refuse to degrade themselves or believe in God.

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  41. Don’t be bitter because you’re out of work. There’s no such thing as ‘bitter game’ for a reason. Doesn’t get the girls.

    Now Italian suits, Swiss watches and American steel… that’ll do wonders. Just don’t forget the E-tabs.

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  42. Full time, on-stage musicians die of substance abuse until proven otherwise. The list of perfect examples is too long to mention. And the difference between “suicide” and ‘I want another hit and I don’t care if it kills me.” is too small to bother with.
    I have known some people in the upper reaches of the Rock & Roll business. Here is a direct quote from Janet Jackson,” Micheal is going to get in a lot of trouble if he keeps doing little boys.”
    F. Fawcett is a great example of the way womens sexual instincts really work. That chick had everything – nice, rich supportive family, looks that got her instantly thru any door – and what did she want in her choice of guys? A succession of Ryan Oneal thugs who gave her black eyes and used her sweet ass as a cum-dump. The thing speaks for itself.

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  43. on June 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm Hair Pie (Bake 2)

    Michael Jackson’s Last Night: “He Was So Happy”

    http://www.showbiz411.com/michael-jackson-last-night-he-was-so-happy-frank-dile

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  44. For my $, Billie Jean was the tops.

    Billie Jean will always be the song for that small stretch of the New England Thruway where my dinky little green 100 hp Saturn reached 75 mph on the pure concrete pavement, and a brave and curious 18 year old boy finally ventured out of his little island to explore the mainland for the first time in his car by himself, and paid the $1.00 toll with his EZ-Pass money.

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  45. lurker

    Firepower, its coming to the liberal fantasy land: only straight white men are allowed to be figures of fun, especially if they refuse to degrade themselves or believe in God.

    i gotta agree.

    when “protected” groups cry discrimination at even the most ridiculous thing and are given full credence

    and another is completely ignored when blatant cases arise

    even the most ignorant should see the danger in that.

    unless, they have an ulterior motive

    “Hell, is the absence of reason.”

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  46. on June 26, 2009 at 2:18 pm mandy been here a while

    LR

    but she WAS a humanitarian by choice and didn’t have to be.

    When the cameras were off, what was she then?

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  47. That chick had everything – nice, rich supportive family, looks that got her instantly thru any door – and what did she want in her choice of guys?

    She’s rich, has a supportive family, and good looks. Again, why does she need a beta male? For some forced short-term romance that turns into a platonic relationship with pity sex?

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  48. Firepower, don’t forget the ultimate bad guy in every movie is a rich white straight male.

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  49. I’ll be sad when the remaining members of Led Zeppelin ascend the Stairway, but other than that………………….I wont be really moved when any others in music pass on.

    Michael Jackson’s “Off The Wall” album was my favorite of his. Its completely saccharine and very enjoyable. “Rock With You” and “Girlfriend” stand out on that album. My parents had it. It was better than Thriller in my opinion, of which “Human Nature” and “Billie Jean” were the best songs. “Billie Jean” was a genuinely great song. He started going downhill when “Bad” came out, it was just another pop song and not really seperable from other product.

    Music has become a narcissistic pastime since the advent of MTV. It matters very much to many prospective music buyers whether the artists creating the music “look cool”, have the right attire, hairstyles, and even attitudes. Whats really good is what you are willing to listen to on your headphones when excercising, yardwork, cleaning house when nobody is there to compliment you on your good taste. Some of Michael’s early product certainly fits into that category, but especially amongst men……………few would admit it thesedays as he’s not longer “cool”.

    Madonna is taking ageing harder than any celeb that I can currently think of. Instead of being happy that she’s “hot” for a 50-something woman, she is trying to compete with 30-something women. That can’t be done and only the extremely foolish are going to try it. She should be associating with the top men within 5 years of her own age group, and she’d be a happier person.

    Princess Diana (and Charles, and the whole House of Windsor): I never got it. Nobody is royal at this state of human history. Everyone of us has a whore, horse thief, crook, whoremonger, loser, murderer, and a pervert in our genetic lineage. No one person you see will not have, if you go back 20 generations, someone who was societal scum, in their background. Societal respect should be earned by those who have performed, invented, created, and otherwise have benefited humanity and created more wealth than they consumed while also honoring whats left of the social contract (did much more good than harm to their fellow citizens). Other than preach to everybody else and generally been a pain-in-the-ass, Charles has done nothing. I’d love to see the schmuck have to get a real job like the rest of us. We elect our leaders (the way it should be) and dont have them born into the job. Even the best men can have utter fuck-ups for children, which is why royal lines just dont work. I believe in Jefferson’s natural aristocracy of men, that God or Providence or whatever posits some very laudible characteristics to some men that make them natural leaders of others that will benefit the greater good and they are who should be elected to positions of power (but increasingly seldom are).

    Michael Jackson did benefit us all on one issue: there is no telling how many people wisely shook off having plastic surgery because of what it did to him. We’d have even more botoxed, streched, immobile faces out there if it weren’t for him……………………..reminding everyone that science cannot *yet* really transform your into someone elsel with scalpels. The rhinoplasty ironically enough, is the one plastic surgery that can oft really make a good difference for many people (boy I had a grandad who could have used it………………he had a beak), that Michael Jackson had screwed up the worst. There is no excuse for whatever doctor did that to his nose. They can usually get rhinoplasties right unless the doc or patient goes too far. That surgery for making “stuck out” ears pinned closer to your head is oft successful. The rest of it…………….if pretty frankenstinian at this point. Nobody should be shooting up their lips, pulling their skin back, lifting their brows, putting implants in their chins, et cetera. Jackson is the default poster child for excessive plastic surgery.

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  50. Lady cumstaine:
    “Also, whoever compared Paris Hilton to Princess Diana is really really reaching for a connection.”
    –yes, two flighty, skanky women who acheived wealth and fame through the men in their lives and not through anything else, who paid a token service to charity when it suited their needs.

    “She may not have been the Saint people painted her out to be, but she WAS a humanitarian by choice and didn’t have to be.”
    —no, she was a humanitarian because it gave her good PR. Famously, ina mock interview she did to prepare for real interviews, she couldn’t give a single good reason why she was doing the humanitarian work, because her reasons were wholly selfish.

    And she wasn’t a “humanitarian.” Humanitarians work in Doctors without borders or the peace corps; she dropped by for a photo op and then high tailed to to Paris for a nightclub.

    You lose, cumstaine.

    “It would be nice to see more people make up for their “bad” by doing some good.”
    —lmao. You idiot shitstained bitch. The way to do it is to STOP DOING BAD.

    …..”but do you see her working WITH people in need?”
    –Diana the Whore didn’t either. She took photos, dropped money, and demanded attention for worthless shit.

    “No. The Oprahs of the world could take a hint for Diana.”
    –for all her feminazi unmarried lesbianism and holier-than-thou bullshit, Oprah EARNED HER FAME AND MONEY. Diana could learn something from Oprah.

    Oh wait the bitch is dead. Good riddance.

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  51. Suicide….

    Nah son, dude did have a fucked up life but no way he waited and lived with that shit till he was 50 and then decided to kill himself. Allegedly the Demerol was administered by his private doctor that goes everywhere with him or something. Regardless…. Word on the street is that he fucking loved his kids, couldn’t leave them. Stinky and Wet Blanket or whatever the fuck their names are

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  52. on June 26, 2009 at 2:27 pm Hair Pie (Bake 1)

    A Farrah Fawcett film worth recalling —

    The Apostle (1997). starring, written and directed by Robert Duvall, and featuring one of Billy Bob Thorton’s most moving performances:

    http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/apostle

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  53. @A-bax

    pardon us people with slower inteligence, but from a post about MJ possible suicide, you managed to decree women’s amorality AND catholic depravity. Is there a direct link?

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  54. on June 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm Cannon's Canon

    best michael jackson song is “right here” by swv

    just has his feminine ass mewing on the hook

    great tune though

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  55. on June 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm ironrailsironweights

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Jacko’s skin-lightening treatments didn’t somehow contribute to his death.

    Peter

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  56. it will be Daivd Alexander and [email protected], dressed in black SS uniforms, invading homes to take to the gulags every men who has more girls than guys stored in his phone numbers AND people who have MJ albuns

    DA doesn’t seem bitter or angry toward non-beta males though. I don’t see him doing that.

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  57. You know, Jackson could’ve committed suicide for another reason: he realized that to be a true pop icon, you have to die before your time.

    Elvis, Hank Williams, Cobain, Tupac, Biggie, Keith moon, Hendrix, Lynyrd Skinner: all died well before their time. All legends.

    And look outside of pop music: monroe and Dean died young and live forever; Brando became a bloated has-been.

    Killing himself at 50 could have been Jackson’s attempt to seal his immortality, because if he died of natural causes at 80 or 90, there would be less of a reaction.

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  58. a tribute to the king of pop. FeministX appeared as a dancer in this clip.

    http:// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL6xgki326E

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  59. Virgle Kent-

    “Word on the street is that he fucking loved his kids”

    I don’t think they were his kids. But I’m sure he ‘loved’ them.

    Debbie Rowe and Elvis’ daughter should be thrown in the coffin with him and buried alive.

    Women, especially, enabled this human turd.

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  60. Do you like Michael Jackson?

    I’ve been a big Jackson 5 fan ever since the release of their 1974 album, Dancing Machine.

    Before that I really didn’t understand any of their work. It was too artsy, too intellectual.

    It was on Dancing Machine where Michael Jackson’s presence became more apparent.

    I think “Never Can Say Goodbye” is the group’s undisputed
    masterpiece.

    It’s an epic meditation on intangibility, at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

    Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Tito,
    Jackie and Marlon. You can practically hear every nuance
    of every instrument.

    Sabrina, remove your dress.

    – MPM

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  61. Firepower, don’t forget the ultimate bad guy in every movie is a rich white straight male.

    Not true. There are minority bad guys in movies all the time. Columbian druglords (Miami Vice, Scarface), middle eastern terrorists, Asian kiingpins (think Jet Li in Lethal Weapon 4).

    Also, ultimate good guy in almost every movie is white straight male.

    In media, white alpha male rules the roost. NOTHING gets depicted better.

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  62. One thing I will give to Jackson: he was the best dancer of his generation. Him, Astaire, Bill Robinson, and Gene Kelly: he’s one fo them.

    “Word on the street is that he fucking loved his kids”
    —reverse “loved” and “fucking” and the sentence is more true. 😉

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  63. Re Dead musicians: I was in my late-teens / early-twenties during the grunge scene, and the death of Kurt was definitely a big shock. You knew about the H, but you always wondered how much of his persona was real, and how much was calculated. (“I’m so angry! And sad! At once!) Well, looks like the man wasn’t kidding…

    And the subsequent overdose-death of Layne Staley (from Alice in Chains), while unsurprising, still kind of hit home. For a college kid who smoked too much pot and listened to a TON of grunge, Layne was kind of a hero. And he wasn’t kidding either. (The album “Dirt” is a veritable field guide to H addiction that many detractors decried as fabricated. Well…)

    Along the line of the famous Neil Young song, Kurt “burned out”, while Layne “faded away”.

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  64. Mason – is that Patrick Bateman?

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  65. Hmm. Indeed Roissy’s presentation of the facts as we know them, along w/a brief yet cogent psychological sketch of Jackson does raise questions, despite his upcoming comeback concert.

    I say in many ways, Michael Jackson is a kind of larger commentary as us as Americans; he said it didn’t matter if one is Black or White, when clearly we all could see that wasn’t true. And to be an American, is to BE obsessed, with Race, one way or another. He and his music embodied, literally, the best of both Black and White worlds, fusing rock and funk, hard guitar riffs and New Jack Swing, to craft anthems we all liked, whether we admit it publicly or not.

    Jackson emobodied the pioneering, innovative American spirit, incorporating cutting edge music and video technologies and pretty much singlehandedly defined the music video and in many ways, the pop star in our times. Without him there’d be no Usher or Justin Timberlake, 112 or a whole litany of singers and acts, all of whom owe him a tremendous debt.

    As it so commonly seems with tremendously talented people, Jackson’s brilliance and sheer talent was offset by his personal demons, which came fullforce by his twilight years. We may never know for certain is indeed he was a pedophile, but in our time of public opinion trials and as a Supreme Court Justice once put it, “a hi-tech lynching” the mere accusations were enough to do lasting damage. His Peter Pan-like persona mirror perfectly the distinctly American obsession with youth; his beginnings w/the Jackson 5 mirrors our collective fascination with childhood stardom in particular, and our fascination with childhood in general.

    People will no doubt now recount their favorite song or album of Jackson’s; for me, its two: Off The Wall, his solo debut in which he enlisted the aid of his siblings Jermaine and Janet on background vocals and instruments, and the legendary music producer Quincy Jones; and his final studio album, Invincible, where Rodney Jerkins, a homeboy of sorts, takes the production creds. These two albums, in many ways an Alpha and Omega, I think are a fitting testimony to the way Michael himself changed over time. My two favorite songs off the albums? Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough, and Whatever Happens, both songs written by MJ, I believe. Of particular note on the last song was the appearance of Carlos Santana; his thanking Michael at the end of the song and Michael returning the gratitude, was I thought a nice touch.

    15 Grammys won, and more than 50 Million albums sold, his record remains unbroken.

    Should he be remembered as the King of Pop?

    Without a doubt.

    Goodbye, Michael. And thank you.

    The Obsidian

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  66. Jackson’s death makes me feel slightly older, that’s all.

    Celebrity death is almost completely irrelevant – the only one that ever got to me was Peter Jennings…because that was the voice of god, and his death cemented the transition from traditional news/journalism to this ireport internet garbage and mass firings of reporters.

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  67. Joe, absolutely wrong. The rare Columbiajn drug lord or asian drug kingpin is more than drown out by the white baddies. Remember: 4 Lethal Weapons, 3 groups of white guys, 1 asian smuggling ring.

    And no black bad guys, or rarely. Only Laurence Fishburne and Denzel get to play the black bad guys (and onyl if they’re good men “driven to crime” by racism).

    80% of all criminals on TV and in movies are white males.

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  68. A.J.:

    “Something is going on here. Do women no longer have the drive to protect children from pedophiles?”

    if M.J was a pedophile, the mothers of the children are as much to blame as anyone else.

    i’d like to check out the relationship of the mother and the kid from jackson’s 1993 molestation charge (the one where they examined his dick or something for a birth mark). the family and jackson reached a settlement, but if the kid was *actually* molested there will likely be some feelings of betrayal between the boy and the mother. it happens everytime a child is molested and the parent (usually the mother) turns a blind eye.

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  69. Oh Layne definitely faded away. But that death was like watching a train coming at you from over the horizon. Can you imagine, doing smack everyday for over a decade just because you have that much cash? If you bought any of his records after his ‘heroin troubles’ began, then YOU helped him buy those drugs.

    Joe…oh the good guy and bad guy can both be SWM’s, but it doesn’t have to make sense…like in the movie version Sum of All Fears. Islamic terrorists get turned into white guys! There are tons of examples of this new viewpoint that white guys do everything wrong. I think it’s because the global market place for films…they pander to all the crazy people in the world.

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  70. gig: “pardon us people with slower inteligence, but from a post about MJ possible suicide, you managed to decree women’s amorality AND catholic depravity. Is there a direct link?”

    No direct link. The Catholic business was just comparison of i) JV-molestation (MJ) to ii) varsity boy-rape (RC priests). My point there was that when the abuse level escalates to penetration, the chances of no-going-back psychological damage (dissociative disorder, psychopathy) in the victim increases mightily.

    Thus, in addition to his star-power, the *lack* of penetration in MJ’s molestation tool-kit might mitigate what would normally be a thirst for justice against him. (Whereas the thirst for justice against the frocked RC pederasts was strong enough to overcome that institution’s use of its considerable power & influence in trying to cover up its many crimes against the vulnerable and weakest among us.)

    The bit about women was just a sort of sprinkling on the top of all this – that women *in general* have less of a sense of justice than men. And that given MJ’s charisma, women would be more likely than men to allow their sense of justice to fade into the background while the groovy feelings that MJ’s music induced in them came to the fore.

    PS – Discussing women was in direct response to A.J. Travis’ wondering aloud why some women seemed not to care about protecting children from pedophiles.

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  71. A.J.:

    “Women, especially, enabled this human turd.”

    how did women in particular enable jackson? he was followed around by a group of handlers, and everyone that i’ve seen on T.V. in jackson’s past was a man.

    i’m almost positive that as a result of living under his father’s strong hand, without a reportedly loving childhood, jackson always sought a father figure. it comes as no surprise then that he had so many gurus throughout his life.

    the women, especially presley and debbie rowe were nothing more than co-conspirators. jackson was the most famous man in the world; presley was a relative nobody and rowe was an absolute nobody. jackson benefited from having fake relationships with both of them in order to continue the aura of mystery that surrounded him and also in order to give him the family that he wanted. jackson used both of them; no woman in his life, that one could name, enabled him to do anything.

    it will turn out to be a few men that manipulated him similar to the anna nicole smith case and howard k. stern. jackson’s childlike, effeminate personality mixed with his self-induced celebrity bubble allowed that to happen.

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  72. Chuck-

    “if M.J was a pedophile, the mothers of the children are as much to blame as anyone else.”

    Agreed. Another example is Candice Watson, who kidnapped her daughter and ran off with her sex offender/boyfriend:

    http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/25/1bn25watson103849/?metro&zIndex=122600

    Then there is the woman in Oklahoma who hired the pedophile to babysit:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-16-rape-sentence_N.htm

    WTF is going on here?

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  73. The percentage of priests who molested is actually lower than the percentage of the average population. In other words, we should be investigating the journalists/liberals sensationalizing the priest molestors more than the actual priests.

    Which would be sweet.

    “Johnny, show me where Dan Rather touched you…”

    “And where did Ms. Couric take you after?”

    “Anderson told me it was our little secret, and that I could watch him every day on CNN.”

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  74. if jackson wrote a lot of his best songs, then he truly was an immense talent. the “king of pop” would not be just a self-affectation.

    a-bax:
    But it is weird how some people – and A.J. Travis is right that it seems to be more prevalent among women than men – don’t seem very inclined to pursue justice against Jackson (or the pedophilic priests, for that matter).

    It may come down to women’s greater amorality (at least, amorality within a systemic rather than a personal context), and women’s tendency to be led around by their emotions at the expense of their rationality.

    roissy maxim #29: a woman’s moral outrage is inversely proportional to the accused man’s alpha status.

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  75. Maxim 29. succinct. The Bill Clinton/Tom Brady guide to sexual harassment strikes again.

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  76. “In other words, we should be investigating the journalists/liberals sensationalizing the priest molestors more than the actual priests.”

    molesting priests are nothing new. my dad was an altar boy in the 1960s and saw some shit go down. the real story is the mass cover-up by the church itself. shuffling priests around to different parishes instead of out-right punishing them, all in the attempt to maintain a certain institutional reputation, has caused a lot of the uproar.

    also, the certain level of hypocrisy involved elevates the “wow” factor of the story. there are certain people in the world that others hold in higher esteem than the general public; when those people commit serious crimes, especially when it comes to those they are supposed to be protecting, it’s a big deal.

    the uproar in the media, and the reasons for it, applies to female teachers/male students as well.

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  77. Chuck: “but if the kid was *actually* molested there will likely be some feelings of betrayal between the boy and the mother. it happens everytime a child is molested and the parent (usually the mother) turns a blind eye.”

    I thought the exact same thing….until MJ was acquitted in the subsequent 13-year old boy molestation case. That family ended up with nothing. Jackson and his inner circle showed up for the verdict wearing all black – as if they were going to a funeral. Supposedly MJ was crying and weeping on the way over – convinced he was going to jail.

    But he was acquitted. Two of the jurors who acquitted him later said they reached the wrong decision, and were sure they let a child-molester walk free. (MJ’s celebrity-charisma effect had apparently worn off by then, and they could think clearly.)

    In light of that, I think the parents of the first boy made the right call. 23 million will buy alot of therapy, schooling, and set them him with a comfortable life. About as much restitution as you can realistically hope for. And the parents probably thought the boy had been through enough already by then. As for their endangering future boys by not pressing it all the way to trial? Well…who knows if MJ would’ve been convicted? Likely not, since he was acquitted later, and MJ was at an even higher point in his career back then. So you can’t pin that on them. It was MJ himself who continued to peruse 13-year old boys the way Roissy peruses DC trim.

    I bet the day of the acquittal, the first boy thanked his lucky stars that his parents made the decision they did.

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  78. if M.J was a pedophile, the mothers of the children are as much to blame as anyone else.

    Damn right. What mother in her right mind would leave her child in the custody of that freak? One could of course more correctly blame the fathers for allowing the mother to be careless. As we all know, women and children can be careless, but not men!

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  79. A-Bax: You’re an idiot. The number of homosexuals who infiltrated the Catholic Church and molested children is incredibly small. Every single priest in every single diocese would have to be a pedophile for your assertion of “thousands upon thousands” to be true.

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  80. Chuck-

    Debbie Rowe gave her kids to him. For money.

    Is that not enabling for a pedophile?

    Lisa Marie stood by him through out his first trial and even advised him to settle the case.

    “it will turn out to be a few men that manipulated him similar to the anna nicole smith case and howard k. stern. jackson’s childlike, effeminate personality mixed with his self-induced celebrity bubble allowed that to happen.”

    Wrong. I met the man Chuck. I spoke with him, I looked into his eyes. He was ruthless and calculating. (He did a duet with Paul McCartney 1 year, then bought all the rights to Paul’s songs the next.)

    He surrounded himself with people who were willing to forgo their morality for money. (Including the loser parents of fucked-up children.)

    He manipulated the media like a master. (Tommy Mattola was a racist, but only when Jackson was in a contract dispute with Sony Music, remember.)

    He was definitely crazy, but serial killer crazy.

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  81. “roissy maxim #29: a woman’s moral outrage is inversely proportional to the accused man’s alpha status.”

    this is one of the world’s universal truths.

    but whiskey says it another way: “women HATE,HATE,HATE beta males.”

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  82. I think that people associate celebrities like Michael Jackson and others with certain periods of their life, and when they die it just makes the memory fade a little bit more. Also, for people who are my parents age it’s kind of a reminder of how they’re growing older when their icons are starting to die off.

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  83. on June 26, 2009 at 3:18 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “Without him there’d be no Usher or Justin Timberlake,”

    What a fucking SHAME that would be.

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  84. ASDF: What flavor of kool-aid is the Vatican handing out these days?

    Do yourself a favor and read the fist third of so of Rousseau’s autobiographical “Confessions”. He details how he joined the seminary for a while, but fled when one of the priests there attempted to rape him. When Jean-Jacques brought this up to the “headmaster”, or whatever, the man in power basically told Rousseau to not make such a big deal about it. That it didn’t even hurt that much and he should just get with the program.

    This was in the 17th CENTURY. If you think priests have been raping boys and young men only since the “purple mafia” invaded American seminaries in the 60s, you’re deluding yourself. It’s been going on for centuries all over Christendom.

    It’s just that in the last 10 years or so the crisis boiled over to the point where the RC Church could no longer conceal it. They’ve paid out umpteen millions in settlement $. Orders of magnitude over what MJ paid to make his first accuser go away.

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  85. A.J.:

    “Is that not enabling for a pedophile?”

    no, that is not enabling. that was the fulfillment of a contract. michael wanted children, and he paid for them. his third child (not by rowe) was from a surrogate. so he was willing to pay, and he found a person, in rowe, who was willing to sell. enabling implies a person who passively allows certain activities. jackson seemingly had his mind made up about children, rowe had no determination or enabling in that scenario. if anything she was an accomplice (if blanket and prince etc *were* molested which there have been no reports of).

    “I met the man Chuck. I spoke with him, I looked into his eyes. He was ruthless and calculating. (He did a duet with Paul McCartney 1 year, then bought all the rights to Paul’s songs the next.)”

    is every man who makes a business decision “ruthless”? also, looking into his eyes once doesn’t show anything.

    jackson was manipulated and enabled by an entourage of men, but the manipulation worked both ways. nobody stepped in to tell jackson that it was kind of weird taht he was sleeping with children in his bed. from a report i heard on TV last night, his inner circle rarely told him what he didn’t want to hear. he wanted drugs, he probably cried and brayed like a child if he didn’t get injected. so it’s not as if M.J. was a victim per se. the relationship b/w he and his handlers was a symbiotic one. if they were “yes men” and gave him his drugs and didn’t question him, they would be paid handsomely and remain close to the source of power.

    my point is, from what i’ve seen of jackson through the years, he was not handled, manipulated, surrounded, or enabled by women.

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  86. Sorry, 18th Century. My bad.

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  87. “Without him there’d be no Usher or Justin Timberlake, 112 or a whole litany of singers and acts, all of whom owe him a tremendous debt.”

    Just another reason NOT to like him.

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  88. What a fucking SHAME that would be.
    Just another reason NOT to like him.

    Those damn kids with their myPods and iSpace.

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  89. And no black bad guys, or rarely. Only Laurence Fishburne and Denzel get to play the black bad guys (and onyl if they’re good men “driven to crime” by racism).

    White guys do get screwed in the media, sure. I just think you exaggerate when you take it to the point of saying ALL bad guys are solely played by white men. It’s bad for white men in the media, but not THAT bad. Also, just one example off the top of my head, Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man, not a good man driven to crime by racism, just a scumbag.

    Also, even though white guys play villain disproprtionately, that’s not always bad as villain is often juiciest scene-stealing role in the film (Nicholson and Heath Ledger Jokers for example). Plus, white alpha males get hands down best portrayal of anyone, even in today’s media, which helps make up for it.

    Check out newest GI Joe trailer. When it’s a black guy and a white alpha, who’s more likely to be portrayed cooler? See for yourself:

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  90. He would have made it through turning 50 if he had only purchased a three wolf shirt.

    when i wear my three wolf t-shirt, i can earthwalk on the moon.

    v.v.:
    eat Flintstones chewable E-Tabs.

    lol.

    gig:
    And I have one suggestion for futrure posts. The Extra-terrestrial question. This blog, and the whole HBD blogosphere, has never considered the possibility of life in other planets, and how would that impact HBD and game. How owuld you swoop a green girl with three eyes and two pussies?

    “you have pretty eyes……. especially the middle one.”

    griz:
    What a fucking SHAME that would be.

    the sarcasm is strong in this one.

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  91. on June 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm SmartyJones

    Michael Jackson is getting too much attention and ink while Iranians are dying in the streets for basic human freedom. This reflects on our culture poorly and hopefully it ends soon.

    Roissy has me taken aback with his insightful writing on the matter but it wasn’t suicide. What I think will prove out is it was again like Heath Ledger accidental. It’s the abuse of available prescription drugs that are doing these folks in.

    Don’t know anyone connected to the guy. The fact that his father got him and his brothers out of Gary, Indiana is something.

    Unfortunately, this is the price. It’s almost better he exited this way as he was a mess. What color was this guy? It was pretty sick seeing a videotape clip of him and Al Sharpton.

    Like watching some Halloween freak show. Immense talent and very ill. Roissy you really nailed this overall minus the suicide.

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  92. Here’s a good article for everyone:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1195624/French-women-dont-just-tolerate-husbands-affairs–expect-them.html

    Seriously, don’t skim it, read it. You’ll be glad you did.

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  93. Come now my Good Doctor, don hate; both Usher and Justin Timberlake made some good stuff. I enjoyed both of the latter’s albums, while I appreciated Usher’s earlier work and some of his more recent stuff, I guess my favorite album of his would be 8701. As a a body of work, a very well made album in my view.

    Come on, man its time to enjoy some good music, not hate on the Man while his body isn’t even cold yet. Have some class.

    O

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  94. The best song, I think, was “Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough”, which I think he wrote, and it was relatively early on before the true weirdness began to crop up.

    As things went along, the guy became weirder and weirder. Clearly a messed up individual. Let’s see what the autopsy says.

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  95. Now now, enough JT hate, not everyone can be Lamb of God tough. I’ve thought that MJ gets kudos for actually sounding that way before digital voice alterations made JT possible. He was very talented.

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  96. on June 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm DestroyToCreate

    Demerol (aka meperidine) has known fatal interactions with several drugs, including commonly prescribed drugs for Parkinson’s Disease.

    One of these drugs, Azilect, is a favorite of the life-extension crowd.

    I would not be surprised if MJ had taken Azilect and combined it with Demerol unknowingly, resulting in death.

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  97. MJ was a freak, and farrah was a ditz. What is this, D-listed today? Moving on.

    Did anyone see this Brooks piece in NYT today ? On evo-psych:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/opinion/26brooks.html?_r=1

    Has anyone read that Geoffrey Miller book (“The Mating Mind” from 2000? Or the new one? Brooks is basically shooting down evo-psych, or at least pointing out its limitations. I bet most here would disagree. The status symbols (cars) as symbols of intelligence, whether Miller or Brooks, seem pretty random and irrelevant.

    Food for thought, unrelated to dancing zombies, molested children or ass-fucked Angels.

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  98. on June 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm mandy been here a while

    Joe

    In light of that article, you might enjoy this theory

    http://anglobitch.com/ That Anglo Saxon culture has long had antipathy towards men that makes Anglosphere feminists particularly virulent.

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  99. on June 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm jack gladney

    On celebrity deaths in general: overnight vigils, intense emotional reactions (eg, crying), flying out to attend funerals…all that kind of stuff is obviously pathetic and bizarre. On the other hand, anytime a celebrity who’s any kind of national figure (ed mcmahon would even qualify) it does tend to send a brief shock through my system, as a tangible reminder of the inevitability of death, I guess. All of sudden a person who is everywhere and has everything, then in a second is annihilated and has nothing. It’s a sobering, inwardly directed feeling that I usually have, not really the same as giving any kind of shit about the person dying, so much as giving a shit about the fact of dying in general.

    With a figure like MJ, obviously this feeling is amplified. And because he was a guy whose talents I enjoyed and respected, I don’t think it’s wrong to feel sad I’ll never experience any fresh fruits of those talents ever again.

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  100. Brooks went too far. He’s been trying to suck up lately to Gail Collins and the rest of them at the NYT to be more of a “good conservative”. I think he’s right that some of the stuff in “Spent” seems cooked up, but that’s no reason to call into doubt the core of evo-psych, which has to do with behaviors around mating.

    Also his sentence about brain plasticity would be roundly denied by Stephen Pinker, who has studied such things most of his life.

    The critique of “Spent” was on target, I thought, but the rest of the piece came across as amateurish.

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  101. Dif. Dx. of sudden death in MJ:
    1. low potassium from diuretic (weight loss) abuse
    2. overdose sedatives/anti-anxietiolytics
    3. overdose antidepressives
    4. overdose narcotics
    5. rupture of brain aneurysm
    6. blood clot to lungs
    7. Brugada syndrome with dysrythmia
    8. heart attack from coronary artery disease
    9. intentional homicide via pillow smothering
    10. heat stroke from failed air conditioning
    11. carbon monoxide poisoning by car engine
    12. anaphylaxis by bee sting

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  102. Chuck-
    “no, that is not enabling. that was the fulfillment of a contract. michael wanted children, and he paid for them. his third child (not by rowe) was from a surrogate. so he was willing to pay, and he found a person, in rowe, who was willing to sell. ”

    1. You need to look up the word ‘enable’ in the dictionary.

    2. I am not saying that men did not enable him also. They did. However, a woman who willingly sold her children to a pedophile gets more hate from me than the accountant who wrote out the check. Not much more, but more. Just my opinion.

    3. The only things you know about Jackson is what you saw in the media, and he so carefully crafted that image that you cannot use it to take the measure of the man. He hired his own news/documentary crew to shoot ‘his side of the story’ during his 2nd trial!

    4. I don’t know why you want to paint him as a male Anna Nicole, but you are just wrong about this. You should have seen the way everyone tiptoed around him in that mansion. They were terrified to do anything to that might upset him. He ruled that place like a dictator! He was not stumbling around like a drugged out zombie. He was alert, crafty and calculating.

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  103. on June 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “Have some class.”

    For a gay pedophile? I wasn’t even talking about MJ, I was crapping on Usher and Timberlake.

    “both Usher and Justin Timberlake made some good stuff.”

    No they have not.

    Sincerely
    W.F. Grzlickson MD

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  104. joe

    From the article:

    But, in the middle of a short lecture on modern art, he asked: ‘Would you like to be my mistress?’ It was so ridiculous, I laughed out loud. ‘I never joke about such matters,’ he said coolly. ‘Think about it.

    Le Opener D’Apocalypse?
    [I am sure someone can provide a better translation]

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  105. @nova – do you recommend “The Mating Mind” or is/are there better materials out there?

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  106. Herr Doctor,
    Of course, you’re entitled to your opinion; but if record sales are any indication, quite a few *million* people woud disagree with your musical assessment of Justin and Usher.

    Tell you what-instead of crapping in the middle of the living room, why not present a musical selection you actually like? Hmm?

    O

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  107. @Maurice —

    I think that The Mating Mind is find. Robert Wright’s “The Moral Animal” is a bit more comprehensive. Pinker deals with many of the issues in his entertaining book “The Blank Slate”. And Matt Ridely takes more of a strictly genetic approach in “The Red Queen”. All worth reading, I think.

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  108. “The Blank Slate” by Steven Pinker is f-ing landmark. If you’ve only got time for one, this would be it.

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  109. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6584011.ece

    “A secret library of over a hundred songs recorded by Michael Jackson could be released following his death. ”

    It is very plausible that Michael did commit suicide. I believe for the most part he wanted to seal is name in eternity by dying “before his time,” as another commentor said. Or maybe he just couldn’t take it anymore.

    Either way another icon falls. Thats it.

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  110. Women loved Michael Jackson. Women love gays and famous guys. Simple as that.

    Joe — White guys are mostly nerds, losers, betas, or Eurotrash villains, or Redneck villains, or deranged military men, etc. on TV and the movies. Portraying actual reality, that most criminals are low-IQ Black or Hispanic men, who kill acquaintances for $20, is too “racist” (i.e. threatening to women) to depict.

    What is remarkable about TV and movies and literature is how female dominated it is. Just fifteen years ago fantasy and sci-fi were men-only. Now it’s women only with “Lonely Werewolf Girl” (I kid you not, about a werewolf girl with a complex hierarchy of werewolves who are also fashion designers!) and vampire crap. Or the gay-female ghetto of TV. Or most movies absent the ones that make money — big budget action movies and broad male-appealing comedies and animated films.

    For every one role where (back in the 1980’s) Wesley Snipes plays a bad guy, there’s ten where he’s the central hero. It’s true that a few guys can play Action Movie hero (mostly emo-type man-boys like Shia LaBoeuf or Tobey Maguire) but most guys types are absent. There’s no Bronson types, no Eastwood types (circa say Dirty Harry), no Chuck Norris types, no Willis types (ala Die Hard), no Harrison Ford types (ala early Indy movies), and so on. Absent Jason Statham, there’s no guy playing actual men on screen in movies.

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  111. on June 26, 2009 at 4:43 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    I posted this on my facebook profile when everyone was going crazy over Jackson “Michael Jackson died huh? ish happens I guess.” 30mins later I get 25 comments telling how “cold” I am. Needless to say some people are getting deleted from my friend list.

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  112. yeah, and don’t forget: men kicking ass in movies is largely viewed through “ironic hipster” lenses and regelated to direct-to-dvd.

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  113. on June 26, 2009 at 4:47 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    why are my comments been moderated roissy?

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  114. Paul McCartney did it. To get back the Beatles catalog.

    Ebony & Ivory is a cover.

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  115. I mourn the death of Michael only because I hoped that he could find redemption before he passed. It makes me sad that a once-great artist could sink so low and die before redeeming himself. In a way, I mourn Michael’s legacy more than the man himself. We are all worse off for the persistent demonization of this onetime idol.

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  116. on June 26, 2009 at 4:48 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    whiskey most criminals are NOT black and hispanic at least present some numbers instead of presenting you’re prejudicial
    borderline racist bullshit as fact.

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  117. I’m only one woman’s opinion, but I thought MJ very creepy. I saw the documentary a few years back with the boy who was supposedly molested and I believed from the story he had been. MJ and many other’s with moula (Chris Brown, OJ…) don’t get full justice for their wrong doings. Plus if I remember correctly he won his trial because the mother was suspect as far as her motives in bringing her son and MJ together. Her behaviour placed doubt on the truthfulness of her son’s story. There are too many sick mothers who will sacrifice their children’s well being for a piece of fame or for money – it’s beyond disgusting. Heck they’ll sacrifice their children for men who aren’t rich or famous (i.e. mom above who allowed a convicted felon/pedophile to be with her and her daughter). Too many women get off lightly at trial in these cases because they’ll claim manipulation by the man. Gawd!!! Unless those women are literally brain damaged there is no excuse and they should be locked up as long as the molester, maybe even longer.

    MJ was for lack of a better term screwed up. You only had to look at him to know it. Why we are fascinated with him or any other celebrity is beyond me. Why we pay athletes, movie stars, musicians the money we do yet sacrifice social care including education is beyond my comprehension. We are thoroughly out of whack with our priorities. We are a society which delights in others success and failures more than our own – why is that?

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  118. whiskey most criminals are NOT black and hispanic at least present some numbers instead of presenting you’re prejudicial
    borderline racist bullshit as fact.

    I don’t really care one way or another. Best attempt at figures…

    16.6% of black males are in jail or 3.4mm. 7.7% of Hispanic males are in jail, or 1.71mm. 2.6% of white males are in jail or 2.88mm. So as a percentage of population, whiskey is closer to right. If you include Hispanic and Blacks in the same group (as whiskey did) you get a split of 64/36 minority vs white in jail.

    Now this obviously doesn’t take into account conviction rates, jail sentences by race, and other factors. But I doubt those would invert the numbers.

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  119. Again Whiskey, not true: Liam Neeson, Taken. Huge runaway box office smash. A sequel is being filmed. Neeson is in his mid-50s.

    As for portraying “true crime” actually its done a lot: America’s Most Wanted and Cops, two shows of longstanding on the Fox network. Every episode shows us Black and Brown perps in a steady stream from commercial to commercial. Best of all, its real.

    I think the reason why say, Law & Order doesn’t do cases like that is because…wait for it…

    It’s boring. Errbody knows the deal about violent streetcrime and Black and/or Brown folk. And? It would be like watching the nightly news of reading the local police precinct blotter, again, a steady stream of petty to violent streetcrimes by Black and Brown perps. Just another day at the office.

    The very nature of movies and tv shows is that the circumstances are contrived, because real life is among other things, boring and mundane. That’s why they call it entertainment.

    O

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  120. Based off of these two simple, accurate sources

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm (Bureau of Justice)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity (Wikipedia on Ethnic Make-up of USA)

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  121. @Maurice,

    I think the absolute best place to start is “The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins. A lot more technical than the other books but it will give you a solid understanding of contemporary evolutionary theory.

    I consider Red Queen to be one of my favourites on the topic of mating.

    Blank Slate by Pinker is also good. Concerns itself more with the political and social implications of evolutionary theory and human behavior.

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  122. Joe — White guys are mostly nerds, losers, betas, or Eurotrash villains, or Redneck villains, or deranged military men, etc. on TV and the movies. Portraying actual reality, that most criminals are low-IQ Black or Hispanic men, who kill acquaintances for $20, is too “racist” (i.e. threatening to women) to depict.

    And who are most of the alpha heroes? The ones who get to kill the ultimate villain and get the girl.

    yeah, and don’t forget: men kicking ass in movies is largely viewed through “ironic hipster” lenses and regelated to direct-to-dvd.

    Die Hard 4, Dark Knight, Wolverine, GI Joe, Transpoter 1, Transporter 2, Transporter 3, Crank, Rocky Balboa, Rambo IV, Twilight, True Blood, Robert Downey’s new Sherlock Holmes, Iron Man, Taken with Liam Neeson, new Star Trek, Terminator Salvation, Inglorious Bastards…

    I have about 20 more but I’m getting tired of typing.

    Are those ironic hipster movies? Are they white guys getting upstaged by black guys or punked by women? Are they direct-to-DVD? There are tons of examples in front of you but you only notice things that bolster your self-pity complex. White beta male may get it worst in media, but white alpha male is undeniably KING.

    And you never answered my GI Joe question, who is comic relief and who is the alpha mack in that trailer, the black guy or the white guys, if whites are ALWAYS made to look inferior to blacks in media?

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  123. I’m glad you pointed this out that he’s missed his childhood, thus the reasons for the way he is today. This is the root of all problems with men today, they aren’t brought up or taught how to deal with people or how to get women.

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  124. Hollwood Hotsauce, untrue. the vast majority of criminals in this country are black. The prisons are full of them. And as the poorer hispanics are a large majority in the prisons as well.

    And don’t give me some crap about the justice system being racist. That’s a bunch of b.s., much like the made up DWB.

    See here:http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html

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  125. Obsidian: “I think the reason why say, Law & Order doesn’t do cases like that is because…wait for it…

    It’s boring.”

    Well….Law & Order certainly is boring, but I don’t think that’s the reason for it. SWPL race-guilt certainly plays a big role in L&O’s fictional pursuit of the *Great White Defendant*.

    How to prove that a drama about petty & violent street-crime that accurately portrays the racial/ethnic make-up of perps/victims can be superbly crafted and mightily entertaining? Two words: The Wire.

    Now that show was the f-ing bomb-diggity!!! Yeah, they had some white criminals (The Greek), and even some low-level one (street dealers in season 2). But it was almost all black & brown…criminals, cops, junkies, dealers. Almost all. And that show ruled.

    Season 3 was the best. I actually miss Stringer Bell.

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  126. @Joe, are you sure you want to include Twilight in that list?
    *snicker*

    First time a boy asked me to dance was to an MJ song. He pinched my bum, whispered something dirty, made me cry, and his friends laughed. I’ve never forgiven MJ …
    or was it a Janet song? hmmmm.

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  127. Joe, the rare times a black man is shown as the true bad guy, evil to the core, or shown uncoolly, are far outwighed by the positive portrayals.

    And almost always, the black guy is portrayed as cooler than the white guy; he’s always the smooth best friend. G.I. Joe is an anomly though not surprising, given that it is Marlon Wayans, who portrays that role even alongside his brothers—audiences would expect him as that. Keenan or Damon would not be playing the fool

    Witness any commercial set up as a compare/contrast, when the people are black v. white; black guy is always the one using the better product.

    Get your head out of your ass, son.

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  128. Hollwood Hotsauce, untrue. the vast majority of criminals in this country are black. The prisons are full of them. And as the poorer hispanics are a large majority in the prisons as well.

    Is it possible to have two groups both be a majority? Is it like, blacks make up 65%, hispanic 57% and whites -22%

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  129. Please, Joe, Demographics dictate the hero will be white, since the audience is mostly white. But he always has a Cool Magic Negro buddy who’s smarter and smoother and never dorkier.

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  130. Abax,

    The Wire was fucking sensational.

    But how many people in the US actually saw it?

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  131. you’re right, seeking alpha: they merely form large blocks disproportionately large to their actual numbers in the population.

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  132. As I already pointed out in the data above, yes. It’s just… I hate agreeing with you because you always sound so fucking stupid, even when you’re right.

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  133. Incredibly insensitive Michael Jackson Death jokes:

    Early reports suggest that Michael Jackson han’t been this stiff since McCauley Culkin stayed over

    Out of repect McDonalds have released the McJackson Burger – 50 year old meat between 10 year old buns

    He’s not going to be buried or cremated but recycled into shopping bags so he can remain white, plastic and dangerous for little kids to play with

    I’m deeply offended by the jokes surrounding Micahel Jackson’s death. He touched me is ways only a catholic priest would understand

    And the cause of death? It seems that Farah Fawcett went to Heaven and asked God to make the world safe for children. So he killedd Jacko

    ……………………culled from the most politically correct blogger on the entire internet.

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  134. on June 26, 2009 at 5:19 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Seeking Alpha and Lurker:

    I’m actually genuinely surprised by those numbers however I still don’t believe blacks and latinos are more predisposed to committing criminal acts. All races are just as fucked up as each other it just so happens that minorities live in conditions where carrying out juvenile acts comes more “easily”

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  135. Hey seeking, suck my cock, dick.

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  136. I think Jackson had too much money for anyone to ever tell him “No”. “No, you are not going to have sleep overs with little boys and no, you are not going to totally rearrange your face and bleach your skin white and no, you are not going to blow your money on an idiotic place called Neverland.”

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  137. @ lurker – Exactly. Have a good weekend buddy.

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  138. lmao rofl. Hollywood, stfu.

    “All races are just as fucked up”
    —Kumbaya, liberal.

    “it just so happens that minorities live in conditions where carrying out juvenile acts comes more “easily””
    —another liberal twisting words around to try to excuse the criminals from being criminals.

    This isn’t about racial theory, just fact. the fact is, you’re much more likely to be the victim of a crim by a black or poor hispanic than a white guy. Right now. in 2009 America.

    Why that is is a different question, but trying to explain it away with “oh, its justa condition” is b.s. apologizing.

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  139. probably will, seeking. Your mom’s in town.

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  140. @A-Bax- he was on “The Office” for a while – not the same thing at all, I know. I liked Season 2 best because I could relate to the characters better – Frank Sobotka was a touching, tragic figure. 5 was the weakest – too many axes to grind against his old employers at the Sun.

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  141. actually, seeking, I’m always right, its just sometimes…you’re just too stupid to understand the logic. Working at a higher level here, boy.

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  142. on June 26, 2009 at 5:32 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    If you live in the middle east you there’s more of a chance of a white soldier with his fratboy buddies coming in and gunning down your whole family than a minority doing the same. But hey there were probably TERRRRRRRRRORISTS anyway.

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  143. If you live in the middle east you there’s more of a chance of a white soldier with his fratboy buddies coming in and gunning down your whole family than a minority doing the same. But hey there were probably TERRRRRRRRRORISTS anyway.

    Hollywood, most of the people dying in Iraq are being killed by fellow Iraqis. You’re a real fucking cunt though for suggesting that our soldiers are going door-to-door killing women and children for no reason.

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  144. But he always has a Cool Magic Negro buddy who’s smarter and smoother and never dorkier.

    Again, GI Joe clip. Who’s smarter, smoother and less dorky: Channing Tatum or Marlon Wayons? The black guy is not “ALWAYS” smarter, smoother or cooler, especially when it’s a white and black alpha in an action movie.

    I will also lay money down that the white alpha beds the movies hottie and not Marlon Wayons.

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  145. ABax,
    Yes, The Wire is indeed a work of art; but please note, that David Simon, a former Baltimore newspaperman, tried to send a strong message through his series. He did an in-depth interview w/Bill Moyers, I’m sure its available online.

    The point was that The Wire simply just didn’t show “dumb” Black criminals, hence Stringer Bell, who was a very smart, yet very troubled Man, caught up in forces often beyond his control. I’m not an afficianado, but I’m familiar enough w/the series to understand what Simon was trying to do. In many ways, it is the direct opposite of what Whiskey or Lurker is suggesting.

    O

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  146. @Joe, are you sure you want to include Twilight in that list?
    *snicker*

    Hey, it’s a white guy being portrayed as an alpha and sex symbol, so it counts.

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  147. AJ:

    “1. You need to look up the word ‘enable’ in the dictionary.”

    first off, the topic of roissy’s post is michael jackson’s death. was he enabled to take drugs that ultimately have led to his death? the answer is yes.

    and the people that he has been surrounded by, his handlers and entourage, have been mostly men.

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  148. Hollywood Hotsauce-

    “If you live in the middle east you there’s more of a chance of a white soldier with his fratboy buddies coming in and gunning down your whole family than a minority doing the same”

    With this post, you just provided proof-positive that you are as fucking dense as some people are accusing you of being. You sound like every liberal pussy I have ever met.

    If you ever get the chance to actually, you know, talk to one of our men or women in the service, I know you would never have the guts to say something like that, because you are a coward. Instead you will avert your gaze and crawl away like the cockroach you are.

    And yes, I know you were trying to make an absurdist counterpoint to prove your argument, but you failed so miserably you have now sabotaged your original point.

    Well done simpleton.

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  149. Ah, yes, Hollywood, because were really talking about things going on in other countries. I wonder, do you consider Arabs and Persians white? Porbably not until they start voting Republicans.

    Joe, your one clip does not disprove the mountains of evidence in my favor. Black guy always cooler in media. See, for one great example, Scrubs.

    Your anecdotal evidence, liberal, does not disprove the data.

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  150. Joe, your one clip does not disprove the mountains of evidence in my favor. Black guy always cooler in media. See, for one great example, Scrubs.

    Turk is a dork too. The only ‘cool’ one is Cox.

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  151. Joe, as stated, since the audience is largely white, they would want a white hero, as explained, hippie. The disparity is that the criminals are almost always white and the minorities are almost always positively portrayed. In fact, a minority criminal is usually not the driving force in the crime, and is often just a victim.

    Get it, dumbass?

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  152. Lurker,
    An example, actually two, that I can think of, where very well known Black actors protrayed utterly evil, corrupt characters, was Denzel Washington in Training Day (Ethan Hawke was the good guy!) and Forrest Whittaker in The Last King of Scotland. True, both got Oscars for their performances. Still, the point is made, they played really nasty dudes.

    O

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  153. Thank you, A.J. Hollywood is a typical leftist whiny bitch who will do anything to blame white males who are straight for everything.

    And he’ll be the first one screaming for them when he gets mugged by a black guy. Either that or lick the black guy’s shoes for him.

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  154. Seeking, wrong again, shithead. Everyone has their dork moments on the show—even Cox, who is portrayed as a jerk bully. Turk is the smooth one, who nabs Carla from Cox in Season 1.

    A good example from the show is JD and Turk at a bar, and Turk being propositioned by a woman out of the blue, and he smoothly turnign her down (he’s got Carla).

    JD: “How come that never happens to me?”

    Bartender: “What’ll it be?”

    JD: “Appletini….but easy on the tini.”

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  155. Yes, O, and think how rare that is. Denzel almost always plays the hero, and the Last King of Scotland was an indie film that Whittaker personally pushed for.

    Again, the anecdotes do not disporve the data.

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  156. anyway, I’m out all.

    Joe, Hollywood, enjoy the young communists meeting with Ayers. i hear his speech tonight is explosive.

    O, I know you’re smart enough to analyze things straight. Watch TV for a week (especially dramas) and the hit movies for a year and tell me if I’m wrong.

    Seeking, as always, go blow a yak.

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  157. Well I guess that explains a lot lurker, if you would put up Chris Turk as an example of the smooth, cool black guy. Just because JD is dorkier doesn’t make Turk smooth.

    Joe threw up 20 good examples. You should be able to come up with 40 counter-points right? ‘Cause you wrote off Joe’s list as just statistical abberations.

    Your problem buddy is not just that you’re not bright, but that you substitute insults in place of intelligence and try to pass that off as winning. Adding ‘hippie’, ‘liberal’, ‘shithead’, or ‘idiot’ to the end of your sentences doesn’t make you any more right.

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  158. lurker:

    jesus fuck, tone it down. you’ve been tame for a while now and had some good points and arguments. you undermine all that shit when you start going crazy with the ad hominem.

    obsidian:

    “last king of scotland” – that role kind of warranted a black villain though don’t you think?

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  159. on June 26, 2009 at 5:56 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Seeking Beta:

    My point isn’t wild and invalid I don’t need to post articles to atrocities committed by “white” US troops. I don’t expect you to do anything else but defend them, ignorance has that effect on people.

    A.J Travis

    A bitter beta like yourself calling me dense sure is amusing. And of I course wouldn’t say it to them personally with all the recent cases of “friendly fire” I’d rather not risk it. A cowardly act is when you defer from saying something for fear of been criticised which is clearly not what is going on here if you care to wipe roissy’s cum from your eyelids for a second.

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  160. Joe, your one clip does not disprove the mountains of evidence in my favor.

    Yes it does. because you repeatedly said “NEVER” and “ALWAYS.” Repeatedly. Meaning all I have to do is use one example to disprove you. But anyway, I gave you a whole list of counterexamples in a later comment, so I actually gave you more than one counterexample, so your point is moot anyway.

    Joe, Hollywood, enjoy the young communists meeting with Ayers.

    I’m not a liberal. Just someone who doesn’t view facts selectively.

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  161. jeezus – lay the fuck off Hollywood Hotsauce. he’s gotta keep lilgrl entertained all weekend

    mout

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  162. Hollywood – Isn’t it a little childish to be addressing people by twisting the handle? Come on kid. Even in Hollywood a man should still act like a man.

    Now then, you were wrong about the data in America on crime. You called someone out for making claims without back-up, but I provided it and it supported our point.

    Now obviously atrocities have been committed. The question is, is an Iraqi more likely to be killed by a fellow Arab or by an American? Of course there’s no data on that one, but is it really your position that the average Iraqi has more to fear from coalition troops than marauding sectarian gangs? That’s a pretty outrageous claim to be making without any pretense towards backing it up.

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  163. HH, wow, what dumbass thing to say and think. The level of ignorance reminds me of Lawrence O’Donnell (whom, while on Hugh Hewitt’s show to discuss terror policy admitted that he had never read a book on terrorism). I think such a statement goes beyond merely adopting our enemy’s propaganda but indicates a more insidious hatred towards our country and to non-SWPL white people (obviously a SWPL wouldn’t do anything as gauche as join the military except as a gambit to pull a Scott Beauchamp bit of hatelie, fictional license).

    But aside from the outright evilness of that thought process, it seems to ignore the less than peaceful lives of many people in the middle east or that those people self-immolating themselves around children, markets, and mosques with semtex belts lined with rat-poison laced (to stop blood coagulation) nails and/or marbles (to escape metal detectors) come from outside Iraq from many various thrid world Islamic non white non-frat boy hell pits.

    Illimitable. Yeah, R uses that word a lot. You may experience some illimitable scorn and shit.

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  164. on June 26, 2009 at 6:10 pm Willard Libby

    askjoe – Maxim 29. succinct.(roissy maxim #29: a woman’s moral outrage is inversely proportional to the accused man’s alpha status. )

    The Bill Clinton/Tom Brady guide to sexual harassment strikes again.

    Tom Brady explains how to pick up chicks at work without getting busted for sexual harassment.

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  165. on June 26, 2009 at 6:14 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    My argument still goes back to the original point made that minorities were more likely to commit crimes than whites which I countered with my assertion that almost all atrocities committed by US troops in the middle east were by white troops which is a point I still stand by. The issue whether Iraqi civilians have more to fear from their Imperial pimps than sectarian gangs is a mute point, that was never my point of contention.

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  166. on June 26, 2009 at 6:19 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    askjoe – you’re fingers would have been better served whacking of to quality bangbros porn than typing up that clog of shit. I’m not as polite as you think I am.

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  167. on June 26, 2009 at 6:22 pm Willard Libby

    Hollywood Hotsauce…my assertion that almost all atrocities committed by US troops in the middle east were by white troops which is a point I still stand by.

    “Almost all” of the US combat deaths in Iraq have been White men. “Almost all” is not very specific.

    You don’t know much of anything about any of these atrocities except for a few you passively heard about on TV.

    What you mean to say is “almost all atrocities committed by US troops in the middle east that I saw reported by the media were by white troops”.

    Which might go to show the point whiskey and others have been trying to make.

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  168. “If you live in the middle east you there’s more of a chance of a white soldier with his fratboy buddies”

    This just demonstrates hatred of whites compounded by preferred stereotype of evil, evil whiteness. Oh those Fratboys, better watch out, they’re coming to get you. I am sure there’s a lot of fratboy behavior being exhibited in the *dry* Iraq desert whilst being shot at.

    “coming in and gunning down your whole family,”

    uh, what? They just ran on in unprovoked? I know that the Haditha marines were acquitted on what they’ve been accused of.

    “than a minority doing the same”

    Then again, since a majority of combat troops are white male, what can you do. You seem to hide behind the idea that white soldier commit crimes while minorities don’t. I guess Sgt. Asan Akbar & John Allen Muhammad didn’t get that memo.

    But you can’t hide behind that idiotic caveat, that “in Iraq, where there are civilian deaths caused intentionally, without provocation, that you and your family will die at the hands of white soldiers “than a minority,” because you meant “minority soldier.” You meant that white American soldiers are more deadly to the average Iraqi than fellow Iraqis, jihadists, etc.

    It is convenient to ignore all the real death going on there.

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  169. “My argument still goes back to the original point made that minorities were more likely to commit crimes than whites which I countered with my assertion that almost all atrocities committed by US troops in the middle east were by white troops which is a point I still stand by.”

    That is not a counter, you stupid fuck. That is bringing up something not under discussion, having no part in the discussion and generally just being the ploy of a half-wit who can’t stand that he had reality take a shit in his sandwich.

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  170. “the original point made that minorities were more likely to commit crimes than whites which I countered…” well played…whatevers…You counter this thread’s, predictable, inevitable racial discussion smoldering point with atrocities by white soldiers. Well, I am not playing that game. I took your line of thought as more of an attack on all our soldiers, black or whatever.

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  171. Tarl

    Imagine all the people in the world in past history – and even at the present time – who grew up in one-room huts both listening to and watching their parents and siblings having sex, yet did not turn into fucked up freaks.

    Good point. That was the norm for most of human history. Roissy and many others are victims of brainwashing from feminists and the abuse industry that any exposure to sex will invariably damage children.

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  172. Hollywood-

    I no longer care about any point that you were trying to make. You were completely ineffective, and it is now irrelevant.

    You are a little coward. Period.

    You are a coward because you hurl insults cloaked in anonymity, knowing that in real life if you dared open your mouth to utter such trash, it would quickly be filled up with a fist.

    I hope I run into you someday (hollywood ain’t that big after all) and if I do, I’ll make you account for your foolish anti-military rantings.

    Little boys like you only exist because men like our soldiers allow you to. They provide the security and stability that allows you to behave like a petulant little girl. But like a yappy dog, you want to bite the hand that feeds you. Well, the days that real men will tolerate pussies like you are quickly coming to an end.

    You’d better swallow your balls and STFU, or else get ready to get your ass repeatedly kicked.

    And if you think I’m kidding, call my bluff. I’ll meet you any time anywhere.

    And if not, then you’ll confirm what everyone here already knows: that you are a little cowardly bitch.

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  173. “That was the norm for most of human history.”

    Yeah, living in a mud hut, being illiterate and picking fleas out of each others hairs was indeed the norm for most of human history.

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  174. on June 26, 2009 at 6:52 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    askjoe – stereotype of evil evil whiteness? what….compared to stereotype of feral minorities with uncontrolable desires to commit crimes at every turn. The only one with idiotic tendencies here is you with you’re insistence on ignoring the essence of my point and going into “white hate” hysteria, get a grip.

    WW – Except William I don’t use t.v as my references. According to the Department of Defence only 20% of military personnel are black with 9% listed as Hispanic. So lets say that every 3 in 10 soldiers currently serving in the middle east are minority yet time and again its reports of our white soldiers committing major crimes. If the case was the opposite I’m sure we there wouldn’t be hesitation to report on it as much as possible. White people are just as likely to commit crimes given the same “opportunity” and environment as minorities. This is my basic point.

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  175. Chuck,
    Yes, you’re right, it did call for a villanous character, especially in light of the fact that the film was based on a real person, Idi Amin.

    Lurker, something has occured to that I want to run by you:

    Could it be possible, that the “cool Black guy” might be, because, well…Black guys on average tend to be…cooler…than White guys, again, on average?

    What do you think?

    Also:

    Listen, the round and round about Blacks and crime kinda gets to me, not because I can’t handle the cold, naked truth, but because I never, ever, hear ANY solutions being proposed. Its as if the only goal is to kinda jeer at others w/this information. If so, fair enough. I just don’t see how that changes anything.

    So here we are, Black folks commit violent streetcrime more than anyone else, but they’re also going to jail more than anyone else too, and for longer stretches of time; and no matter how many jails we build, they get filled up pretty quick with yet more Blacks.

    So it seems to me that the lock em and throwaway the key approach just aint workin’. People, we simply cannot arrest and incarcerate ourselves outta the problem.

    We gotta do something else. We need a resolution, to quote the late great singer Aaliyah.

    If indeed Black folks have lower IQ than everyone else on average, and if this is concentrated among the Black criminal class, then what are we to do with them when their prison sentences are up?

    That’s what I would like the discussion to move to, if we’re gonna keep talking about this thing.

    Any ideas?

    O

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  176. on June 26, 2009 at 7:02 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    A.J Pussy – Wawawawa you’re a coward, Waawawawa say it to my face, Shut.The.Fuck.Up. You’re internet gansgterism sure as me shaking in my squishy leather couch. I most certainly won’t be meeting up with you, that’s the only date you’ll be getting any time soon. And what did roissy teach you about been non-reactive? This argument’s dead in the water and isn’t going anywhere so how about a change of subject huh ol’buddy? Favourite MJ song, mine’s “save the children”.

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  177. on June 26, 2009 at 7:23 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Any ideas?

    End welfare…completely.
    End no-fault divorce.
    Re-stigmatize bastardy for ALL races.
    End default Mother Custody.

    The only reason black folks are the predominant criminal class is not because of race or genetics…only that they were the first heterogeneous group for which the role of the Father was marginalized and stripped of legal and social support.

    The American black family is the proverbial canary in the coal mine.

    The more single mother households that proliferate, the more that matriarchal kinship system overtakes patriarchy amongst ALL races in the country, the more you will see the gap of the ratio of black criminality and the criminality of other races close.

    It’s not about race…

    …it’s about Fatherhood.

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  178. on June 26, 2009 at 7:46 pm Seeking Alpha

    Damn, Dave beat me to it. That was my list too.

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  179. on June 26, 2009 at 7:52 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Hey SA…did you miss my last response to you regarding “Fascism?”

    Curious to see what you think about that.

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  180. on June 26, 2009 at 7:54 pm SmartyJones

    Standing behind AJ Travis. If you get distracted, I’ll crack the sucka first.

    The Middle East has no shortage of government strong men killing their own citizenry.

    Where folks get off attacking our soldiers is beyond me. They have been slurred, ignored, exploited by the traitors in our midst and all they have done is liberate most of two nations and given those people a chance to build a free republic. Now many have died in Afghanistan and Iraq and many more will need to do so as evil doesn’t surrender. It has to be crushed.

    Witness the latest civilian bombings in Iraq as our soldiers move further into the background.

    And of course, Iranians are being tortured and dying as we sit here on a thread about MJ.

    Only thing worse than the nihilist Left is its alliance with Islamic fundamentalism against America. Anyone spot where the Code Pinkos are today?

    They are always on the move and taking publicity photos with some totalitarian piece of crap.

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  181. You surprise me Roissy. That’s the best celebrity obit I’ve read.

    Have you ever thought about writing?

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  182. In style and content this did not seem like a roissy post. More like a roosh post.

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  183. Hollywood H-

    It’s too late for you to try and talk tough. You have shown yourself for what you are:

    A coward.

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  184. Of course the pedo killed himself. On purpose I hope. He was a vile dirty little boy raper and I am thrilled the world is rid of his disgusting antics. ROT IN HELL YOU FREAKISH MONSTER.

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  185. on June 26, 2009 at 9:03 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    A.J Travis

    That sure is sad to hear, and I thought the green shoots of mutual understanding and the burgeoning of a long lasting internet friendship was swirling there, oh well it wasn’t to be I suppose.

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  186. Dave from Hawaii
    Any ideas?

    End welfare…completely.
    End no-fault divorce.
    Re-stigmatize bastardy for ALL races.
    End default Mother Custody.

    The only reason black folks are the predominant criminal class is not because of race or genetics…only that they were the first heterogeneous group for which the role of the Father was marginalized and stripped of legal and social support.

    The American black family is the proverbial canary in the coal mine.

    The more single mother households that proliferate, the more that matriarchal kinship system overtakes patriarchy amongst ALL races in the country, the more you will see the gap of the ratio of black criminality and the criminality of other races close.

    It’s not about race…

    …it’s about Fatherhood.

    DFH………………..You consistently have made more sense than anybody else on this forum. Thats a laserpointed guide to the situation.

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  187. “And that was supposed to be better than Mother Theresa.” – lurker.

    Perhaps the real kicker is the way Mother Teresa died shorttly after Princess Di such that most people (who care beyond the curiosity level when a celebirity dies) were still reeling from Di’s death and M.T. got little more than a five minute news segment. >:)

    P.S. Who can’t help it when they hear of ‘anal cancer’ and not think about option #3?

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  188. I’m at the Cabo Cantina on Sunset.

    You’re welcome to stop by and foster some mutual understanding.

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  189. Don’t be bitter because you’re out of work

    if I knew absolutely nothing about Seeking Alpha,I would ask him after that: “do you work in finance?”

    I must confess that I found it funny.

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  190. Michael Jackson was certainly a weird dude.

    But none of his other siblings seem as maladjusted. Janet Jackson, the second most famous Jackson, had even more reasons to be mentally ill, yet for the most part, she is not.

    Michael Jackson has a younger brother, Randy, too. He is not famous outside of being a Jackson 5 footnote, but he, too, had to hear the older brothers bang groupies.

    So the issue of fame and being robbed of a childhood was not exclusive to Michael Jackson. Sure, he was MORE famous than the others, but as he broke out of their level only by the age of 20, his childhood was not different from that of some of his other siblings.

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  191. on June 26, 2009 at 10:00 pm GNPs are for Apes

    So here we are, Black folks commit violent streetcrime more than anyone else, but they’re also going to jail more than anyone else too, and for longer stretches of time; and no matter how many jails we build, they get filled up pretty quick with yet more Blacks.

    This is because they commit by far the most crimes per capita.

    among the Black criminal class, then what are we to do with them when their prison sentences are up?

    Exporting them to Africa would be good for America. Sadly, this will not happen.

    The more single mother households that proliferate, the more that matriarchal kinship system overtakes patriarchy amongst ALL races in the country,

    There is some merit to this idea. However, blacks always demonstrate economic failure and violence, in ANY country, anywhere in the world. Every black-majority country is poor, quite often extremely poor. Every country that contains blacks and some other race (whether white, Mestizo, Arab, or Indian), always results in the other race outperforming blacks.

    So there is far to much evidence worldwide to attribute to any US-centric idea.

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  192. you can´t hate women because they follow their natures. it is just like old hags hating men because men prefer younger and hoter babes

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  193. on June 26, 2009 at 10:22 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig said:

    So I propose :

    – turn ridiculous posts (”movie at my door”,”pedophile suicides”) into race threads
    – or turn then into e-flirting between betas and IPs who claim to be hot girls

    I am seriously considering creating a female persona to e-flirt here in the absurd topics

    And I have one suggestion for futrure posts. The Extra-terrestrial question. This blog, and the whole HBD blogosphere, has never considered the possibility of life in other planets, and how would that impact HBD and game. How owuld you swoop a green girl with three eyes and two pussies?

    Worse, some aliens PRETEND to be human women on the blog-sphere. It is child’s play for any civilization capable of faster-than-light travel to hack into the internet. With faster-than-light communication, they could even do some from the comfort of thier own world. And then they pretend to be people.

    Come to think of it, it does seem likely that a lot of internet ‘personalities’ actually are aliens from another planet. I suppose some aliens aren’t that good at pretending to be people.

    Here that TJF? I’m on to you!

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  194. o, not really on the black people being cooler thing.

    Most non-blacks aren’t friends with blacks for basic lack of contact on an open, friendly level. So the whole thing about the black friend being cool is a white projection, having little to do with actual knowledge of having a black friend and scared to piss of the NAACP, et al., which, as you know, raises a ruckus anytime it sniffs of blacks “being portrayed in a negative light.”

    It’s a demeaning show as bad as a minstrel show, because always (note to Joe: figure of speech, shithead) being such stock characters reduce blacks in cinema to the same two dimensionality movies and TV did before, only negatively. Its nice to see GI Joe breaking the trend, but 1) its only the trailer; and 2) it’s Marlon Wayans, whose entire schtick is the goofy, ugly Wayans brother-as-fall-guy. Damon and Keenan, not so much (and the 3rd one).

    I’m reminded of some SWPL on either slate or salon (I know, same thing) who deliberately sought out a black friend because he didn’t have one and wanted one.

    Talk about dehumanizing. And the little shit thought he was racist without one, not bothering to chalk it up to a quirk of his life or maybe the natural human preference to be attracted to people from the same background—blacks being integrated in the 60s used to talk about being friends/dating with people in the school totally opposite of them, but they were black and came from the same neighborhoods, hence more cohesion. That’s not saying friendships outside (though Joe and Hollywood would think its “always” or else your rule sux, nyah nyah!) don’t happen, just saying like attract like in most social circles. Hipsters fuck hipsters, etc.

    Like the morons Joe and Hollywood here have proven, liberals think every single outlier and anecdote somehow must fit into the rule. So if they don;t have black friends, its because their racist; if blacks are underrepresented in an industry versus their actual population, its racism; if women aren’t, its sexism.

    I learned long ago that they are ignorable doofuses, except that together, they cause a lot of problems protesting “racism and sexism” and actually making race relations worse by constantly bringing it up (thank you Morgan Freeman).

    In my life, I’d say I have a higher percentage of Indian friends than in the gen pop. Does that make me a racist? Is it from my upbringing? Or is it just a quirk? How about: shit happens.

    As to Joe:

    joe, since you can’t tell a figure of speech at this point in your life, I can tell you’re a cousin of Toykojesusfist and can be ignored. once again, silly boy, your anecdotal evidence does not disprove the data. 80% of criminals on TV and in movies are white. Not true in real life.

    You lose, little boy. Enjoy your autism.

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  195. Hollywood, you do realize Code Pink and the phony soldiers stories (all of which have been disproven) are not the source for soldier atrocities, don’t you shit head?

    Probably not. He thinks the Daily Kos is also a valid news source.

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  196. I’m all like, damn, Lurker, what you talking at me for?

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  197. Lurker, why call me a shithead? Because I proved you wrong with like 20 examples? Come on now, grow up.

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  198. Like the morons Joe and Hollywood here have proven, liberals think every single outlier and anecdote somehow must fit into the rule.

    I’m not a liberal. I even agree that whites are disproportionately treated worse in the media. I just disagree that it’s as universally bad as you make out, that whites are always chumps and that blacks are always treated better than whites. I gave you a paragraph full of counterexamples and I could give you more like Keanu in the Matrix, Vic Mackey and his team in the Shield, Angel, Ben Affleck in Daredevil, Daniel Craig as James Bond with a black guy as his sidekick, recent Indiana Jones movie, Wanted, Brendan Fraser in the Mummy. Once again, they weren’t direct to DVD and they weren’t hipster irony. White alphas overwhelmingly rule the roost in movies and TV. Sorry to rain on the pity party but that will continues to be the case.

    I like how I named just about every big action movie of the past few years and you claim I’m just naming “anecdotes” and outliers, lol. I can still name another dozen blockbusters if you wish.

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  199. As for Jackson, I don’t think he committed suicide. He was apparently in chronic pain from his skin burns, numerous back injuries from dancing rehearsals and shows, surgeries gone awry, and his skin disease.

    He like a lot of Hollywood guys (Downey Jr. Matt Perry, Charlie Sheen, all come to mind) sought out a pill doctor who gave him pain pills no problem. Instead of a reputable pain management specialist who would monitor him.

    Demerol is nasty stuff, as a narcotic it’s supposed to be used only in places where there is constant monitoring, and there is a crash cart plus the “antidote” (neutralizes the narcotic effect) and sorry forgot the name can be administered.

    His DOCTOR injected the guy, saw he went into arrest, made the 911 call and split for Vegas. Knowing he would be arrested. Perry, a former competitive tennis player, got addicted to pain pills due to a tennis back injury. Downey and Sheen also had reportedly misadventures with pill docs. Anna Nicole Smith, ditto.

    Narcotics are effective pain relievers, but slow breathing and heart rates down. They are very serious drugs. Jackson’s problem was that he had an entourage not friends, who could have called him on the BS, told him “you’re risking your life, you need serious and professional pain management, not this bs” and got him into a pain treatment clinic overseen by real professionals not quacks.

    Was the guy 100% weird? Yes. Did he molest the kids? I dunno, maybe, maybe not. Celebs DO tend to attract money-grabbing shakedowns and weirdos. Jackson was on the other hand, genuinely weird and unable to deal openly with his gayness and his religiosity. Much like Prince. Or Little Richard.

    All moot now anyway. The only lesson to be drawn is avoid entourages, have real friends, and stay away from pill docs and seek real help for pain management.

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  200. Back on this blog after a long absence. Sorry, roissy!

    Great post and analysis of MJ.

    I met Jackson about a year ago browsing in the DVD section of a Barnes & Noble Books in Las Vegas.

    It was about 3:00 pm, and were the only shoppers in the section. At first I did a double take. He was wearing a black baseball cap and black silk mask around his nose and mouth. Some sort of jacket and below, what looked like pajama bottoms or workout pants, and black dress shoes.

    The eyes, the pallid off-white skin, and the fragile bridge of his nose, were dead giveaways. He stood about 5’11”, about 2 inches taller than me. He didn’t look particularly emaciated.

    He was carrying a B&N plastic shopping basket full of books, including a coffee-table edition of “Great Kings of Europe”.

    As he browsed, and I noticed him, a couple of female store clerks buzzed around him. From across the racks of DVDs, I heard him discussing ordering a video with one of them.

    Now it gets stranger. We spent all of about 15 minutes in the DVD section, the only 2 customers in there the whole time.

    A number of times, we made eye contact, and it was the kind of eye contact that says “I know who you are”, and “I know you know.”

    Every time we made eye contact, he started walking toward me from across the DVD section. I felt chills, it was so creepy. He was approaching me as if to introduce him or something, or maybe he wanted me to verbally acknowledge him.

    I’d never been a huge fan of MJ, and have met a lot of celebrities in my life (mostly politicians, but some entertainers). So meeting MJ didn’t really faze me, but…

    Every time he started walking towards me, I felt really strange, so I subtly moved in the opposite direction and continued to browse the racks.

    After about 15 minutes of doing this weird, creepy minuet, I walked out of the video section and saw his bodyguard (a bald, muscular black guy in a dark purple T-shirt), standing outside the video section, arms folded, looking menacing.

    I walked to the front of the store and chatted up my friend who works there. Confirmed. It was Jackson, although she told me the store employees had been instructed not to talk with other customers about his presence.

    Outside in the parking lot, sure enough, the limo was parked there.

    Later visits to the store confirmed that he was a regular cusotmer there, while staying in a place he was renting in Las Vegas.

    Looking back on this, I now sort of regret not going up to the guy and starting up a conversation.

    I still have fantasies that it would probably have led to me flying out to meet the Sultan of Bahrain or something, and helping represent him in one of his many legal messes.

    In fact, now with this news, I *really* regret it. Sigh.

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  201. Women hate soldiers. Threats to their social power, allow ordinary guys to become heroes (Audie Murphy, Joe Basilone, etc.) Soldiers are the antithesis of thugs, soldiers have DISCIPLINE and women HATE that.

    Nutty. I won’t argue against the thug theory, bc though I don’t get it stories suggest it’s true. I would point out not all thugs are created equal; some surely get way more snatch than others. Same with soldiers. I don’t know a single woman who doesn’t admit to a tingle at the thought of an officer or NCO (if they even know the difference.) I’m as ridiculously liberally pedigreed as you can imagine and the thought of certain officer soldiers makes me giddy … I would never touch a thug. Now, I know anecdotes are as common as dirt, but you’re fond of blanket assertions, and so let me rebut. Nutty.

    Soldiers, especially those who lead, are like catnip. Our society may have developed a knee jerk anti-soldier rhetoric, but that doesn’t mean ladies don’t drop panty for them.

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  202. Whiskey:

    Demerol is nasty stuff, as a narcotic it’s supposed to be used only in places where there is constant monitoring, and there is a crash cart plus the “antidote” (neutralizes the narcotic effect) and sorry forgot the name can be administered.

    The antidote for opiod overdose is naloxone. Surely Michael Jackson’s personal doctor must have had that at hand, or at least the paramedics who arrived in three minutes. I find it hard to believe the death was a simple accidental overdose. Junkies get rescued from that all the time. There must be some heart disease or something.

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  203. on June 27, 2009 at 12:16 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @gig:
    “- or turn then into e-flirting between betas and IPs who claim to be hot girls

    I am seriously considering creating a female persona to e-flirt here in the absurd topics”
    I suggest the name”Pretty pink ponies.”

    Just for humor’s sake.

    Also, I love watching you guys fight on here.

    It’s really funny.

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  204. I’m sure this has already been said, but dude, Michael Jackson wrote a LOT of his songs. At least look something up on Wikipedia before you post it, if you can’t do more research than that.

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  205. gig

    I am seriously considering creating a female persona to e-flirt here in the absurd topics

    Why on earth would you want to flirt with men? Are you gay? I seriously don’t understand men who impersonate women online. Most of the women here are probably real.

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  206. An overdose of Demerol can be managed by several drugs if they can be administered as rapidly and efficiently as the Demerol was given. I mean, iv Narcan will rescue an Iv demerol situation. Intramuscular Narcan may or may not rescue iv demerol.
    But there is another issue. No one gives a narcotic reveresal agent unless they are willing tio admit that they fucked up the original narc dose. Giving Narcan to a patient is a solid bit of proff that Mr. Doctor man done fucked up. In plain sight and on the record. So, there is a tendency to prefer various forms of denial-bullshit when a patient of yours dies as you stand over their corpse with an empty drug kit in your hand.
    I am saying that his handler-Docs are paralyzed with fear tonight. There really are not any explanation they can give that will preserve their Licences.

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  207. You sound like an idiot.

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  208. on June 27, 2009 at 12:35 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @Rum:

    “But there is another issue. No one gives a narcotic reveresal agent unless they are willing tio admit that they fucked up the original narc dose. Giving Narcan to a patient is a solid bit of proff that Mr. Doctor man done fucked up. In plain sight and on the record. So, there is a tendency to prefer various forms of denial-bullshit when a patient of yours dies as you stand over their corpse with an empty drug kit in your hand.
    I am saying that his handler-Docs are paralyzed with fear tonight. There really are not any explanation they can give that will preserve their Licences.”

    This is so true. As a family member who was a victim of a Doctor royally messing up, I can also say that doctors will defend other doctors, even if they know they’re wrong. They’re also more careful around someone who developed a medical condition after a Doctor mess up; sometimes they don’t acknowledge the medical condition because it’s proof that their good ole buddy is a retard.

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  209. on June 27, 2009 at 12:36 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    “As a family member who was a victim of a Doctor royally messing up”

    The above should read “as a family member to someone who was….”

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  210. Sorry – the book in Jackson’s basket was “God-Kings of Europe”… even worse, lol…

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  211. Red meat causes different sort of butt cancer. Colon

    Anal cancer is asshole cancer

    The dick never has to enter just merely rub against the opening to leak hpv

    @GayButtox

    LaToya is insane clownface.

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  212. MJ was a freak who used his wealth and power to avoid the consequences of his pedo tendencies. He was almost certainly miserable and if his death was not an intentional suicide it has to qualify as suislaughter, a concept that we need to today…. h. ledger, a.n. smith, k. richards in various levels of decay toward a foreseeable “accidental” death. The sad thing here is MJ had the resources to get help but chose not to, not to mention the children he abused with (it seems) the parent’s cooperation.

    As far as the king of pop title, MJ was nothing if not popular but I never “got” his music and could not say if his contributions were significant — one standard I use, will people still listen to and discuss his work 100 years from now? I tend to think no.

    I’m already tired of all the tributes on the radio and can’t wait for it to stop.

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  213. We feel that Michael Jackson has left us so early, with just his music and our memories. Our prayers go out to his family. I love you so much, and never got the chance to go to a concert. I honestly think you

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  214. So if they don;t have black friends, its because their racist; if blacks are underrepresented in an industry versus their actual population, its racism; if women aren’t, its sexism.

    In the world of SWPLism, everybody is of equal capabilities unless they have a handicap. Thus, whites who don’t go to college are lazy and unwilling to do hard work needed to learn and become truly white, while racism and sexism are the only logical excuse for logical reason for NAMs and women to under perform. The idea of differing abilities destroys their world view of having a crypto-marxist world where everybody is upper middle class…

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  215. steve lukather did the riff of beat it !EVH just played the solo.. he was drunk and it was a one take thats why he can never replicate it note to note again !

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  216. on June 27, 2009 at 2:58 am ImperfectCadence

    I really enjoyed this post and agree with pretty much everything you said about MJ. I do not understand the wailing and knashing of teeth over his death. I actually read a guy on my friend’s facebook say he was his hero and anyone who didnt agree had no taste in music. Please!

    Hey, what kind of music did you/do you play? Classical? Jazz? Popular? I only ask because I am a music teacher (play piano and clarinet) and my eyes lit up when I saw you played. Never picked you for a muso. Very cool.

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  217. Depending on what the autopsy finds, I think the doctor could potentially be on the hook for Man1.

    MJ’s father was awesome and created a family of entertainers. Much has been made of his tough drive and discipline which seems harsh to SWPLs who grew up with pussy rich parents who probably sat on Freudian couches. Their Jackson kid’s alternative – a “normal life” in Gary, Indiana (it’s not just USX smokestack’s – it’s rape capital of the USA) would have been shitty. MJ- no doubt biologically hardwired to be a sexual deviant regardless, would have likely turned into some random prison fuck-boy if his father didn’t push his kids into greatness.

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  218. I was also surprised to learn that Roissy is a musician. Even stranger, he plays the same combination of instruments I do, if you add in bass guitar.

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  219. Ok, this is getting maddening.

    Both Joe and I have rattled off *pages* of clear examples where any tv show or major box office hit movie of consequence had, w/o exception, White males in the lead role. I mean, neither one of us are cherrypicking here. These are examples everyone knows. And yet, guys like Whiskey and Lurker, just to name a few, poo poo these examples.

    I don’t get it.

    Do I think Spike Lee was right about the Noble Negro thing? Absolutely. But I have a different take on it than he does, and maybe I’ll go into that later. But the point is, yea, I think he’s onto something there, sure.

    Do I also think that tv ads and the like make fun of dads in general? Yup. But it just aint White guys here-as has been pointed out numerous times, Bill Cosby’s Cliff Huxtable was clowned by his wife Claire, as much as any White hubbie/dad on tv, and during its run *no* show was bigger than the Cosby Show.

    So its just not a White thing, I think it’s, as DFH said so well in his post upthread, a devaluation of daddies accross the board.

    As for needing to see Black streetcrime portrayed in tv and film, keep in mind that flms like New Jack City, which featured an all Black, all star cast and was directed by Mario Van Peebles, focused on the reality of Black on Black crime within the context of the Crack Wars, one of thee most devastating periods in the nation for African Americans. For this fact alone I consider it a masterpiece, but the acting performances by Ice T, Chris Rock, and Wesley Pipes, among others, were great.

    Sugar Hill, another film featuring Snipes, deals w/Black drug crime.

    Training Day, starring Denzel Washington, features him as an utterly corrupt LAPD detective. Frank Serpico he was most definitely, NOT.

    Even Spike Lee’s Jungle Fever focuses on these issues, w/Samuel L Jackson and Halle Berry playing crack addicts.

    So again, I don’t get it here, fellas. Again, I can see your point but dang, it as bad as you’re making it out to be.

    O

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  220. on June 27, 2009 at 4:10 am Cannon's Canon

    big fat diss to the dc rapper wale. he played in nyc tonight and got in my face when i started to boo him at the end of his act for giving out size 7 sneakers, hogging the mic while we waited for jada and the clipse. that’s right, he came out into the crowd, surrounded by security, and reached out and flipped off my fitted while i grinned in his face. even got the whole crowd to try to chant to me. of course, the crowd ate my fitted, never to be seen again. i thrived under the spotlight as usual… duckdown records had a promoter outside that gave me an interview for a couple of minutes after the show… said he couldn’t put it up on duckdown but he’d send it to some message boards and see if they’d float it. meanwhile, i will be coming out of hibernation to drop a retarded youtube diss to that androgynous beta male tennis playing ass wale.

    also, i got some digits outside after telling part of my tale to a black girl while i was eating a chicken kebab on a hot dog bun. value attraction comfort – check: now to add qualifying after revisiting those themes and move toward seduction.

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  221. obsidian:

    So it seems to me that the lock em and throwaway the key approach just aint workin’. People, we simply cannot arrest and incarcerate ourselves outta the problem.

    Dave from Hawaii:

    End welfare…completely.
    End no-fault divorce.
    Re-stigmatize bastardy for ALL races.
    End default Mother Custody.

    dave h- excellent points. totally agree.

    obsidian, i would add one more tidbit. you don’t need to have a three strikes law to effectuate a massive reduction in crime. new york was able to decrease crime while decreasing their prison population with preventative measures, like significant increases in police presence in nyc under guiliani. dr. mark kleiman is at the forefront among the criminologists promulgating this idea. the following exchange between him and macdonald on bloggingheads will answer a lot of your questions and is well worth the hour you’ll spend on it:

    http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/11427

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  222. on June 27, 2009 at 4:20 am Cannon's Canon

    “like significant increases in police presence in nyc under guiliani.”

    david dinkins actually wrote this into law at the end of his term. not to nitpick too hard; i rep giuliani and do not like some pop-lit crap like freakonomics discrediting him. still, more cops = less crime.

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  223. on June 27, 2009 at 4:38 am ImperfectCadence

    Really lapin?

    What kind of music? Play in a band or just for your own amusment? Fave clarinet/piano music?

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  224. obsidian:

    Do I also think that tv ads and the like make fun of dads in general? Yup. But it just aint White guys here-as has been pointed out numerous times, Bill Cosby’s Cliff Huxtable was clowned by his wife Claire, as much as any White hubbie/dad on tv, and during its run *no* show was bigger than the Cosby Show.

    alpha males, white and black, are the highest earners in hollywood. beta white males are almost always the only ones to get made fun of in egregiously humiliating ways in interracial casting segments. most white males are more like the beta white males that are disproportionately made the butt of humiliating jokes when other races are present.

    points can stand on their own. too many people here really overplay their hands. needlessly.

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  225. Roissy

    When Diana died, the maudlin displays of garment-rending anguish reaffirmed my deeply felt disgust for the mass of humanity. Fucking no-life losers.

    Yeah, that whole thing really rubbed me the wrong way, too. Not sure why it pissed me off so much, but I really couldn’t believe how much hysteria erupted over that. I was so thoroughly disgusted that I actually yelled at the TV.

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  226. Why on earth would you want to flirt with men? Are you gay?

    yes, dude. if you avoid the real stuff and try to e-flirt instead, you run a very high risk of finding yourself searching for the soap in the men´s bathroom floor

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  227. I was watching a movie yesterday about some genetically engineered sharks who learned how to think. they broke out of their cages, and started killing people in the submarine base where the experience took place.

    there were two blacks. both men. one was rich and oreo, did all the white men stuff. this oreo black was the first to die. the other, aprole black, not only was the last to die, but died saving the only girl who survived. a white girl

    absurdly, with the white girl survived a nerdish white guy. anyway, from the moment I saw the entire cast, I knew that the rich black would die early and the SWPL white chick would survive.

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  228. Gig,
    I believe you’re talking about Deep Blue Sea if I recall alright, and the “oreo” Black was Samuel L Jackson who got eaten up by sharks, and the “prole” was rapper LL Cool J. I saw the movie when it came out years back, everyone in the theater roared w/laughter when Jackson was eaten up.

    Going back to Freak’s point though…look, the bottomline is that Women don’t get hot for Betas, *especially* the nerdy, weird, goofy, Aspergy kind. I’m sorry man, don’t know what else to tell ya, and to expect Hollywood to make films, shows or ads that feature such guys as the hero that saves the day, or whatever, not only is unrealistic but also unprofitable. Whiskey can complain all he wants about an overwrought emo Peter Parker, but the truth was if he never got bit by a genetically hopped up spider he would have NEVER got Mary Jane (who exhibits much of the very behavior we talk about all the time right here-watch Spider-Man 1 & 2 closely). Being sweet and kind, industrious and smart, simply wasn’t enough-Spidey was strong, agile, could do stuff no other guy could and finally was HOT, as soon seen in the last film of the franchise when Gwen Stacey caught the vapors. Mary Jane was beside herself, yet couldn’t totally pull herself away from Pete. How could she, knowing for a fact that other Women wanted him too now?

    The same deal w/Superman-Lois Lane could barely give mild-mannered Clark Kent the time of day, but she couldn’t get enough of Superman, his other self. In fact as the last Superman flick shows, even though he’d left Earth for five years while she bore their son alone, she *still* loved the guy, dumping her Beta provider, dude that played Cyclops in the X-Men films.

    Now that I think of it, James Marsden is his name, he got chumped twice really, because Wolverine upstaged Cyclops wrt Jean Grey; even though she claimed to love Scott, when her Phoenix side came out we found out the real deal. As I always like to say, the pussy never lies.

    And just listen to the ladies-ALL OF THEM love some Hugh Jackman-I ain’t heard one single Women yet say she dug Marsden/Cyclops, even though in both Superman and the X-Men, he was a hardworking and responsible guy.

    So, instead of bemoaning the way the realworld works, I would instead take these three films-Spider-Man, Superman (Returns) and the X-Men-films that feature all White Male leads and not a Black guy in sight to upstage anybody-as learning tools in our ongoing study of Game. You can shake your fist at the world and argue from here to eternity that it need not be, and in an ideal world I’m on your side. But one of the downsides, if one can call it that, of Game is that it shows you not how the world of dating, sex and love should work, but how it *actually* works.

    O

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  229. Though the suicide hypothesis is somewhat plausible, I’d refrain from making such an outlandish claim with evidence amounting to mere conjecture.

    @ Lurker:

    “Black guy always cooler in media.”

    I don’t understand how anyone could deny that this portrayal is entrenched in media. See Weird Al’s “White and Nerdy” video, Offspring’s “Pretty Fly for a White Guy” video, “White Men Can’t Jump”, “Beauty and the Geek” never had a black participant as a Geek, “That’s so Raven” on the Disney Channel: every single white character was a doofus who they made fun of constantly (I don’t even know what excuse to give for knowing that) and every black character was cool, etc.

    Black = cool and slick, is undeniable.

    @ JerrDog:

    “Their Jackson kid’s alternative – a “normal life” in Gary, Indiana (it’s not just USX smokestack’s – it’s rape capital of the USA) would have been shitty.”

    I agree somewhat that Joe was the main facilitator of the Jackson’s success. But merciless taunting and physical abuse of an already vulnerable child is not warranted. His approach was not merely “tough love”, but he physically beat and bloodied Michael and his other children.

    I wonder if Michael would have preferred that anonymous life to the fucked up, confused one he actually lived.

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  230. @ Obsidian:

    What about the recent trend of “Magic Negroes” leading their callow white students?

    Will Smith in Legend of Bagger Vance and Hitch
    Samuel L Jackson in Deep Impact, Bruce Almighty
    Mekhi Phifer in 8 Mile
    Laurence Fishburne in The Matrix
    Michael Clark Duncan in the Green Mile
    Oracle women in The Matrix
    Don Cheadle in the Family Man
    Morgan Freeman in Batman Begins
    Queen Latifah in Bringing Down the House

    I haven’t read all the comments, so maybe someone else mentioned this already.

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  231. And something else while I’m at it…

    The very same guys here that bemoan the belittling of Beta guys in the media, don’t seem to be too interested in the way Women are treated either. Not all of them are hot, yet by your collective silence one would have to conclude that none of you guys could care less-you’re just as interested in the upper-tier gals as the Alphas are. You’re just mad that you aint gettin’ em, and neither or the multi-media equivalents.

    I mean seriously, how many among you complainers would be cool w/a gal who’s a 5 or at best, a 6? I loathe to even ask about a 4, given the tastes exhibited here. Yet these same guys get all huffy when the hottest babes don’t see their “other virtues”? Come off it.

    Listen man, like I said, you can be as mad as you want, but in the end NOTHING will change. The reality is, that there is no will or interest on the part of our political and social leaders to reinstitute Leave It To Beaver and Ozzie & Harriet modes of mating. That, is gone, never I think, to return. That doesn’t mean you can’t find love, a longterm thing or even marriage, though I suspect many of the disaffected Betas here really want is to bang as many hot babes as possible and is just royally pissed off that they do not yet have what it takes to make that happen-but it does mean that if you’re to have *any* chance of making out, you’re gonna have to accept some basic facts on the ground.

    More than ever before, Women at almost all levels now have maximum ability to choose what she does and doesn’t want in her life, which includes, yup, us. No Man likes to be rejected but that doesn’t chane the hard fact that he must endure it. And this is especially true in the case of the 8s, 9s and 10s many of you feel you have some pre-ordained right to, just because. Those chicks are at the top of the Poontang foodchain, and if you wanna nail them w/any degree of regularity you’re gonna need some things: Richard Branson type wealth, kiler leading Man Brad Pitt type looks, have mad social proof, or failing all of the above, GAME. And Game of a fairly high degree at that, given what many of you guys claim to want.

    Most if not all of you guys do NOT have the first three things I meantioned on the list above; but ALL of you have the potential to learn at least decent, moderate Game. The problem of course, is that you will have to manage expectations here-no, Game won’t solve all your problems, nor will it surmount deficiencies in you to leapfrog over other Alphas, natural or self-made, to snap the Poon Brass Ring.

    But what having decent Game and sincerely working to improve yourself WILL give you more than a real shot at landing you a nice gal. Definitely somewhere between 6 and 8. But that depends on whether you want to spend time bitching and moaning, or whether you want to spend time making yourself into a better person and learning all you can about Game.

    The choice is really yours, y’all. If Game teaches nothing else, its that.

    O

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  232. on June 27, 2009 at 9:06 am Gunslingergregi

    Wait a min gig and tood have now both said they want to start posting as a woman to get guys to hit on them

    Freaky I think so.

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  233. on June 27, 2009 at 9:12 am Gunslingergregi

    MJ dies and then I take a hit to my own invincibility. Jesus had 6 needles in me in the last 36 hours. My stomach felt like I was going to give birth to an alien. So maybe payback for me talking about woman giving birth except they are made to do that. They are like yea on scale of one to ten what is pain level I am like 8 thinking 10 would be where I am passed the fuck out from it. I tell them about when I broke my shoulder and the doctors missdiagnosed because I don’t cry or scream from pain. I tell them the pain from broken shoulder was prob a four to try to put it in perspective for them. This is talking in between me trying to do the fight club going to my cave shit. They ask me to describe the pain I am like “amazing”.

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  234. OneSTDV,
    If you’ll kindly scroll upthread you’ll see my comments where I agree w/the Noble Negro observations and analysis, though my take on them may be a bit different than what I’m getting here. So yes, we agree on the basic point.

    Having said that though, your summation of “Black=cool” raises some questions, given your interest in HBD and Race.

    On the DC Metro Crash thread I asked whether you were interested in investigating the HBD underpinnings of Game racially, since Game is also an area of interest for you; you never replied. I am hoping you do so now.

    Thanks.

    O

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  235. i’m curious. just what is all this talk of cool ethnics, magical negroes, and nerdy white guys supposed to prove? we should all be able to agree that hollywood, both the place and the product that comes out of it, is an inverted fantasy land where things are seldom what they seem or what they ought to be. your average hollywood movie is a collection of overt lies, half-truths, and crass stereotypes.

    to put it another way, hollywood movies often contain a great deal of truth, but that truth only comes out when you stop taking them literally and start reading between the lines. so, when you say that black guys are ‘cool’ in moves, what does that really mean? it means that they’re often one-dimensional characters whose sole existence is to lend some sort of street cred or to help advance the white character along a story arc. in other words, they do what all supporting characters do.

    both sides of this argument seem to be holding out these examples as some sort of smoking gun, but they don’t really prove anything about life in the real world.

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  236. ps – love him or hate him, michael jackson was a fascinating individual.

    jackson really is a tragic hero. and i don’t mean hero in the positive sense or tragedy in the ‘i’m really sad he died’ sense. i mean it in the classical sense. he was a larger-than-life figure who achieved an extraordinary level of success, but the seeds of his downfall were sown in with his talent.

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  237. My impressions of MJ.

    Cute little black kid in the Jackson five.

    As he got older, I couldn’t listen to him or watch him, because he just was too weird for me. He always made me feel very uneasy. Like, you know, watching somebody jerk off in public.

    I’ll never forget, years ago, a women co-worker blurted out,” I would have Michael Jackson’s baby.” (I forget now if she blushed. Certainly, we were all embarrassed for her.)

    The problem is not that our society produces freaks. All societies do. The question is how does a society respond to its freaks.

    Please stop these silly arguments about the representation of whites and black in the media. The media always misrepresents reality. Movies are movies, not documentaries. I only object when these misrepresentations occur in supposedly factual presentations. And, boy, do they ever occur.

    I just avoid some movies for this very reason, but, if other people are willing to pay money to watch themselves insulted on the big screen, that’s their decision. For myself, I have just left a lot of this stuff behind.

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  238. on June 27, 2009 at 10:22 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””’Hollywood Hotsauce
    If you live in the middle east you there’s more of a chance of a white soldier with his fratboy buddies coming in and gunning down your whole family than a minority doing the same. But hey there were probably TERRRRRRRRRORISTS anyway.”””””””””””””””””

    Actually hollywood you have more chance of getting holes drilled in your head till you die by a fellow iraqi. Thems the breaks.

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  239. on June 27, 2009 at 10:44 am Marcus Aureliette

    I mean seriously, how many among you complainers would be cool w/a gal who’s a 5 or at best, a 6? I loathe to even ask about a 4, given the tastes exhibited here. Yet these same guys get all huffy when the hottest babes don’t see their “other virtues”? Come off it.

    🙂

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  240. i’m curious. just what is all this talk of cool ethnics, magical negroes, and nerdy white guys supposed to prove?

    For me the point is to prove that neither blacks nor whites have a monopoly on good or bad depictions in the media. I’m trying to poke holes in this constant conspiracy mindset white guys seem to have here sometimes.

    Blacks may complain they get to play the alpha hero less or headline blockbusters less often or are less often to get the hottest chick in the film, but they also benefit in being overrepresented as doctors and lawyers and underrepresented as criminals. On the other hand white betas may most often be the butt of jokes at the expense of black alphas and women, but a white alpha bar none is the ultimate winner in media portrayal, and even the black alpha routinely gets secondary status to him.

    For me the point is its ridiculous for these white guys to act like the media solely exists to marginalize whites and humiliate them at every turn when the biggest alpha portrayals in movies and TV continue to be white alphas.

    Another example, Channing Tatum in the recent blockbuster Fighting, where he is beating down and defeating a black guy:

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  241. on June 27, 2009 at 11:22 am MJisbetterThanYou

    You stupid retard. Read a book, read some articles. O some fuckng reasearch before you write such a stupid article.
    You stupid sad child, think you’re so clever with your pathetic laptop sat in your house writing stories about someone you don’t even know. Get off your fat white ass, do some exericise and get a Job. You pathetic human being. Michael achived more than ever you will achive in your pathetic existence.
    You failiure.

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  242. To sum up, my point isn’t to say “OH woe is me, I as a black guy actually have it worse than you!” It’s to say, we all win some, we all lose some, no one has a monopoly on good or bad media depictions. Get over it. Sure whitey, you may be the butt of the joke more often but you get to save the day more often and often score the hottest chick in the flick over all minority competition. Sure blackey, you may always be second banana to the white alpha, existing just to be an asexual one-dimensional magical negro or a sidekick who either gets no girl or the second hottest chick or exists just to add comic relief and street cred, but at least you get that black crime underrepresented and the black professional rate overrepresented. So whatever.

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  243. on June 27, 2009 at 11:37 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @Obsidian:

    “I mean seriously, how many among you complainers would be cool w/a gal who’s a 5 or at best, a 6? I loathe to even ask about a 4, given the tastes exhibited here. Yet these same guys get all huffy when the hottest babes don’t see their “other virtues”? Come off it. ”

    I made a similar point on another thread. A lot of the same guys I know who complain about not being able to get girls have had girls interested in them, they just didn’t want to date them because they’re fat or not as pretty as they’d like.

    I’m not denying that some people have a harder time than others, but some people adopt the mentality of “I want 10’s only” and turn down a lot of nice girls in their league.

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  244. For fucks sake , using movie characters and movie character stereotypes to argue about society is lame , simplisic and fucking retarded.

    It just goes to show how generation after generation of people are having their brains “primed” for ongoing consumption by the multinational corporate entertainment machine.

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  245. @Mandy, Obsidian —

    “I made a similar point on another thread. A lot of the same guys I know who complain about not being able to get girls have had girls interested in them, they just didn’t want to date them because they’re fat or not as pretty as they’d like.

    I’m not denying that some people have a harder time than others, but some people adopt the mentality of “I want 10’s only” and turn down a lot of nice girls in their league.”

    As I see it, this is a problem that is greatly exacerbated by the pop culture and the ubiquitous availability of pornography. I’ve written about that on my own blog, but one of the many numerous bad aspects of routine porn viewing for men is that it creeps up what is “acceptably pretty” to a standard such that what these guys find attractive in real life is higher than their own league. In other words, porn (and the pop culture, too) condition the “turn on” standard upward for men, and at least some men have a hard time dialing it back down when they are dealing with real women. That’s a significant problem.

    It makes no sense dating someone — whether you are a man or a woman — if you are not attracted to them. That’s just a road to nowhere. And I do not doubt that these guys are truly unattracted to the women in their league. The question to ask, though, is “how did they get that way”, because it’s hardly natural to be like that, in my opinion.

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  246. on June 27, 2009 at 11:59 am Gunslingergregi

    What Mandy I think people do tend to oversimplify what they would go for. According to the ratings that have been done nothing wrong with a 6. A 5 ain’t too bad either.

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  247. As for MJ , I think things trully began to turn to shit after the massive success of the Thriller album.

    That was his peak and he could not better it.
    His broken psyche then took him down a slippery slope that we all know about.

    Was he a “genius” … I don’t think so.

    I will concede that we was talented.

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  248. on June 27, 2009 at 12:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    6’s are probably going to be my go to woman later for EB.

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  249. Nova,
    Yes, I would largely agree with your assessment and uf Dave Alex’s of-repeated statements are any indication, routine porn viewing isn’t good for Males in many ways, one of which you’ve just spoken to.

    Porn is also really bad at seduction, there is virtually none, save the lesbian-themed stuff. Porn shows you sex, but not what leads up to it, etc. And in that porn is a kinda de facto teaching tool for a lot of guys, the “lessons” can be extremely misleading.

    Chuck, who’s blog, Guccit Little Piggies I read from time to time, recently posted an excellent piece on the importance of kissing insofar as Women were concerned, and he noted the near total lack of it in routine male-oriented porn. He noted, and my own impromtu investigation confirms, that again the only porn that consistently shows the actors kissing along w/other seduction related activities, are the lesbian-themed stuff.

    Seems all the more reason for Game then-to offest the truly problematic messages that Porn can send out to Men.

    O

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  250. Michael Jackson at his best had that sublime, angelic asexual voice, sort of like Art Garfunkel.

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  251. “Chuck, who’s blog, Guccit Little Piggies I read from time to time, recently posted an excellent piece on the importance of kissing insofar as Women were concerned, and he noted the near total lack of it in routine male-oriented porn. He noted, and my own impromtu investigation confirms, that again the only porn that consistently shows the actors kissing along w/other seduction related activities, are the lesbian-themed stuff.”

    @Obsidian —

    I agree. Nothing is as important as kissing for getting the motor running — but I think this is also the case for men.

    As for why there is little kissing in porn, could this be related to the reason why hookers generally don’t kiss? That is, porn is “work” for these women and kissing someone they are not generally attracted to, even for sex work, is not on.

    Of course that doesn’t explain the lesbian kissing that takes place — perhaps the women are, in fact, more attracted to each other than they are to the men who work in porn? I’ve often read that a disproportionate number of strippers, a related industry, are at least bisexual.

    But in any case, the fact stands: porn’s image of both beauty and sexuality is not realistic and can be rather unhelpful for men when dealing with real life women and sex.

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  252. Nova,
    Yea, again I think you make some keen observations, and I’ll go one further-for all the handwringing about how Beta (White) guys are supposedly treated in the media, I’d say that’s a drop in the bucket compared to how the porn business presents Women. Now let’s see how many guys wanna take up *that* banner…

    O

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  253. Was he a “genius” … I don’t think so.

    I will concede that we was talented.

    He was a genius. If you go by narrow standardized test definition no, but to dance and sing and perform so adultlike and flawless requires an emotional and social and physical intelligence at age 10 that most seasoned performers never achieve in a lifetime.

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  254. on June 27, 2009 at 2:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think I have already brought up that porn sex doesn’t look like shit compared to real sex.

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  255. Gunny,
    Yea, well you may know that, and I may know that, but the fact remains that porn is a multi-BILLION dollar a year business. That means there’s a whole lot of guys who didn’t get the memo, don’t you think?

    O

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  256. “Yea, well you may know that, and I may know that, but the fact remains that porn is a multi-BILLION dollar a year business. That means there’s a whole lot of guys who didn’t get the memo, don’t you think?”

    @Obsidian, Gunny —

    It’s just the easy way out for guys, I think. Game takes effort, porn takes none. And after a while, they get like DA, and believe that the effort is completely unjustified because any woman in the real world to whom they — after their standards have been recalibrated by porn — are attracted, is clearly out of their league. So it kind of feeds on itself. The danger I see is especially acute for younger men, because as we know right now it’s a very rough market for men who are, say, 17-24. And I think a huge number of the guys who are middle of the pack in that age range, and don’t have Game (most don’t, as we know), turn to porn, and can slide pretty deeply into it, such that when they get to an age when things loosen up a bit and their mate value improves, their standards are distorted to such a degree that they can’t be bothered trying with women who are attainable, or simply find attainable women unattractive.

    It’s kind of a vicious cycle, I think.

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  257. Nova,
    Agreed-all the more reason for guys like us to grip the youngbucks up and pull their coats, you know what I mean? In a big way I lay blame for all this at the feet of previous generations of Men for not passing on this precious knowledge on. We’ve gotta bring that tradition back.

    The Obsidian will do his part.

    O

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  258. on June 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Nova really look at two of the guys on our site tood and gig. Jealous of not throwing game they want to throw in towel by becoming woman to get attention lol. I think this is a more plausable scenario for men in the future just going gay.

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  259. @nova

    “but one of the many numerous bad aspects of routine porn viewing for men is that it creeps up what is “acceptably pretty” to a standard such that what these guys find attractive in real life is higher than their own league. ”

    Very interesting. I think the proliferation of hot babes on TV contributes to it as well. ‘Reality’ shows like The Hills perhaps have men believing that only girls who are like Lauren, Heidy or Audrina are worth their time. Sadly I know their names even though I’ve never watched an episode.

    @Obsidian

    You’ve got a great way about you, you give advice without being demeaning, very nice.

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  260. “Everyone of us has a whore, horse thief, crook, whoremonger, loser, murderer, and a pervert in our genetic lineage. No one person you see will not have, if you go back 20 generations, someone who was societal scum, in their background.”

    You’ve forgotten what Royalty is -Royalty is a lineage back to conquerors. European Royalty were all Vikings and Prussians; freebooters and whores the lot of them. Nobility is the soul of a conqueror. Modern “nobles” are mostly democratic rabble, not because of their genes, but because their souls are rotten.

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  261. “Agreed-all the more reason for guys like us to grip the youngbucks up and pull their coats, you know what I mean? In a big way I lay blame for all this at the feet of previous generations of Men for not passing on this precious knowledge on. We’ve gotta bring that tradition back.”

    @Obsidian —

    I agree. The internet is good for this. Remember, feminism did a very good job of systematically eliminating most of the spaces where men would gather inter-generationally because they accused such spaces of being “sexist”. This, combined with the rash of fatherlessness due to no fault divorce as left two generations of young men now largely without access to the counsel of older men. That has really, really hurt men as a whole. I think it can be hard for women to appreciate just how severe the impact that one-two punch has been on young men.

    The internet, however, changes this, because it provides a space where men of different generations can compare notes.

    I think that the previous generations of men seriously had the carpet pulled out from underneath their feet. Not prepared at all to advise the guys coming up now, because when they were in their 20s, women acted completely differently than they do now at that age. So while I’m sure some things of use could have been passed on, the changes were so great that it was literally a different world. When I tell my mother (in her 70s now) that young women in their 20s are very concerned about sexual and emotional excitement when selecting men, and many are simply eschewing dating for sex, she won’t believe me, because when she was growing up (as with my Dad, too) in the 1940s-50s, this was very, very rare among women. The changes were so great that my mom and dad can’t really accept the reality of how different things really are.

    But we do the best we can. Our generation of men and the one right ahead of us in the 50s are the ones that can probably advise the young guys the best, I think.

    @aoefe —

    “I think the proliferation of hot babes on TV contributes to it as well. ”

    Definitely, as does the pop star phenomenon and the rest of the pop culture. It’s all very warped towards a rather narrow type of beauty, really.

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  262. @Gunny —

    “I think this is a more plausable scenario for men in the future just going gay.”

    I don’t think so, really. If that were the case, it would already have happened. Male sexuality simply isn’t that fluid.

    When you look at women, there are at least some women who have entered relationships with other women because they are fed up with men, or have been burned by men, or something similar. There are pretty much *no* equivalents to that on our side of the fence. Men would rather subsist on porn than be with other men — our sexuality is not fluid like it is for at least some women.

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  263. on June 27, 2009 at 7:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    In America maybe because their is a lot of anti gay propaganda but in other countries the mens sexuality ”””’is””””” that fluid. So yea if america gets that bad gonna see guys going gay if there is no stigma why not fuck another guy in the ass if you can’t get a woman. All the sudden woman not so big of a deal except for not able to have kids. Now if you can just buy kids for 10k as you had on your site. Any two gay dudes could afford 10k so we could see a resurgance of gayness. Why do you really think they are pushing for gay marriage to nip that shit in the bud so that there can be a penalty for being a gay man as well as a straight one.

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  264. on June 27, 2009 at 7:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Difference between “free” countries and free countries.

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  265. “Difference between “free” countries and free countries.”

    Maybe so. We’ll see.

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  266. It’s just the easy way out for guys, I think. Game takes effort, porn takes none.

    To sucessfully get a girl, one must learn a bunch of techniques and habits that aren’t natural to one’s personality, go to a gym and spend hours losing weight and toning muscle, become versed in conversational topics that would be of interest to females, buy fashionable clothing, and tie this together to go to places with women and once a female has been secured come up with creative date plans. In contrast, to jerk off to porn, one simply needs to find the porn that they like, and masturbate to it, and that’s it. Once you compare the amount of work needed and the disruption to one’s routine, and while porn doesn’t deliver the entire experience (taste, smell, and touch), it’s certainly competitive as a sexual outlet.

    I’d liken the battle of porn versus real women to owning a beat up car and only using mass transit. The average woman is the equivalent of dealing with a beat up car that needs maintenance, but will take you where you want to go with relative freedom. In contrast, using porn is the equivalent of sticking only with mass transit, and dealing with the restrictions in terms of time and access that comes with, but lack of responsibility needed to make it work to the end user.

    such that when they get to an age when things loosen up a bit and their mate value improves

    I think you may want to expand on this concept a bit more. It doesn’t seem to make sense given that even at the age of thirty, one is competing against alphas who are both older and younger, and much better at delivering what women want than a thirty year old beta.

    porn’s image of both beauty and sexuality is not realistic

    It’s not realistic, but it’s so much more appealing than real life…

    I think the proliferation of hot babes on TV contributes to it as well.

    As somebody who watches a lot of “raincoaters’s porn” (porn for porn enthusiasts, not Vivid crap), the girls in porn tend to be mostly girls in the 6 to 8 range who have larger than average tits and ass with varying methods (implants, sexy/slutty/revealing clothing, heavy makeup, nails, high heels) to induce the sense that these girls want sex by their physical appearance. Combined with the fake, but pleasing orgasms and cock-worship mentality, and it kinda makes real average girls seem plain.

    Even just in a real life scenario just compare the girls on the “Hot Girls with Douchebags” website with their average counterparts. The HGwD girls are in the real world (especially at my old community college), and a sizable number of these girls have more sexual appeal than say, Athena who is average, yet doesn’t pull off that same feeling.

    In other words, in our highly sexualized world, girls who display openly sexual characteristics will win.

    As for why there is little kissing in porn, could this be related to the reason why hookers generally don’t kiss?

    I must be stumbling upon the porn that has kissing in it, and those tend to be the really good scenes.

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  267. There is most likely something to the idea that modern media/porn tends to warp peoples standards regarding physical attractiveness over what was expected in the old days. One could point to silicone enhancements as having the same effect.
    On the other hand, the epidemic of obesity among even young people is a huge issue. Fat people were not attractive 50 years ago, either, and expectations have little to do with it. Lots of women are rejected these days because they are fat; full stop.

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  268. That girl isn’t hot, but she’s still has more sex appeal than most women her age.

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  269. “Jackson was fucked in the head by his abusive father”.

    To Roissy those of you that know nothing about black family history or culture. Joe Jackson was no different from the average black father or momma in those days. They ‘whooped’ their kids to keep them on the straight and narrow. Was this the right way……….Definately Not! But it was very common in those days. They did what they thought was right and we turned out fine. They lived by the scripture “spare the rod or spoil the child”. Michael’s generation had nothing to fear but momma and poppa. Black comedians joke about this all the time.

    Compare Michael’s generation to this younger generation. Many youth today are totally out of control, disrepectful and will not hesitate to take up arms, rob you and kill you. What do you think happened?

    As much as I love and respect Michael’s genius I have to say when Michael decided to alienate his father and family he lost touch with reality and the leaches, vultures and enablers stepped in. I am in no way a very religious person, but I cannot help but recall the scripture “honor thy mother and father so thy days will be long up on the earth”.

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  270. Joe, don’t get me started. Black Middle class people are 5% of the population, yet are presented as the norm, practically every commercial. This is because almost all advertising is aimed at women, with TV a gay/female ghetto. And White Women fetishize Black men as “more masculine” and despise most of their beta White male co-workers. Really, they do.

    I totally admit they give blacks more favorable depiction than they do in reality. I said so above. But you’re looking too narrow dude and zeroing in on beta white males. Of course beta white males are crapped on in media…they’re beta!! Betas have ALWAYS been crapped on and viewed as inferior. Just like fat women are not depicted as sex symbols either. When have beta white males ever gotten good depictions regularly?

    But there’s no denying that when it comes to good media depictions, NO ONE has it better than the white alpha. No one. That is the one thing that hasn’t changed, and I gave plenty of examples. So stop making it out that it’s nothing but crappy depictions out there for white men because it isn’t. Instead of bitching about how bad white betas are treated, just stop identifying with white betas, make yourself an alpha and poof! you are now automatically in the best depicted group on earth.

    Just be happy you’re not a black beta. They’re not even deemed worthy enough of notice to get depicted by the mainstream media at all.

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  271. on June 27, 2009 at 11:14 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Obsidian:

    Ouch, you wound me. I go and give a version of the Commodus speech and you turn right around and reference it in a hit post. I’ll have to mine some other movie for a reference now.

    That, or engineer your exile to a foreign land on trumped up charges of treason, making darned sure that you don’t move your way up to major league gladiatorial combat. And don’t get any ideas about a thrilling one-on-one duel at the Colosseum; I know better than that. Ha ha.

    whiskey:

    That men went to see that picture suggests Stockholm syndrome, forcible attendance or some other unnatural circumstance. It’d be worth being jobless for a bit to make sure that a woman like Sandra Bullock’s character was deported. That character probably qualifies for Public Enemy in the single digits in Roissyland.

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  272. joe:

    But you’re looking too narrow dude and zeroing in on beta white males. Of course beta white males are crapped on in media…they’re beta!! Betas have ALWAYS been crapped on and viewed as inferior.

    you’re not responding to whiskey’s central assertion that it is disproportionately beta white males who are represented as beta males in an interracial setting.

    Just be happy you’re not a black beta. They’re not even deemed worthy enough of notice to get depicted by the mainstream media at all.

    i disagree. if your group is at least disproportionately depicted as alphas in interracial segments, it matters little if they are never depicted in totality with as much beta elements as well. the overall depiction is positive.

    since most white males resemble beta males, the fact that beta white males are so prominently depicted in interracial casting segments is significant and is only partially mitigated by the presentation of alpha white males. i suspect this last statement is the point at issue you disagree with the most.

    now, the groups that might have the most legitimate gripe with the current status quo in america are:
    black women
    asian men (south and east)
    latino men
    to a degree, asian women and latinas

    however, at least asians have the massive pac rim asian media, indians have gigantic bollywood, and latinos have the massive telelmundo/univision network. black women don’t have such options right now.

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  273. MJ wrote the whole Bad album… just saw that on tv

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  274. Jackson was not a serial molester, more like serially molested. He was tried twice by juries, and twice acquitted. In each case the jury believed that he had had sex with the boy, but that the boy was the aggressor and had been put up to it by his parents.

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  275. on June 28, 2009 at 12:48 am Mandy!!!!!!!!

    @Dave Alexander

    “http://www.guidofistpump.com/guido%20pix/cell-phone-hottie.jpg

    That girl isn’t hot, but she’s still has more sex appeal than most women her age.”

    Just go to calle ocho or something and pick up a chonga.

    Seriously. 😡

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  276. While I think that MJ probably did have a weird sexual predilection for underage males, the lengths he went to satiate such desires are not all that clear, and echoing James’ comment, above, he was tried twice and acquitted twice, a not insignificant fact.

    On the other hand, what I find rather nauseating is the quickness of so many whites to use their criticisms of this aspect of Jackson as an obvious outlet and proxy for their racism.

    I don’t think the furor on the part of many white male critics of Jackson would be nearly so strident if he had been a Caucasian musician with similar eccentricities.

    I’m not saying there would be no criticism of these things if he were actually Caucasian, I’m just saying that the fact that he was most likely attracted to much younger males, combined with the fact that he was African-American, brought out the latent racism in a lot of American whites, all of his talents be damned.

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  277. you’re not responding to whiskey’s central assertion that it is disproportionately beta white males who are represented as beta males in an interracial setting.

    Yes I did. By pointing out that when the interracial segment is a white alpha and a black person, the black person is usually a beta in relation to the white alpha, like in the GI Joe clip. Like in he Lethal Weapon movies. Like the Chris Rock and Anthony Hopkins in that action movie. Like in any action movie that teams a white alpha and a black person.

    How can you say I didn’t address that point? I addressed it over and over again, by pointing out that white males do NOT have a monopoly on looking bad in interracial segments. What am I up to now, like 40+ examples? Here are some more, any black person who has gone up against Vic Mackey and his team on the show the Shield has come up looking like a chump, from Forest Whitaker’s character to dozens and dozens of gangbangers to the gay black cop Julian to Tavon, a cop who went up against Shane and come out getting punked. And that’s just one series. Any time Tony Soprano went up against a black person, like Charles S Dutton episode. Black guy got punked. Men in Black with Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith, Tommy Lee Jones is obviously superior in the first movie to the screaming, out of his element Will Smith. The TV show Psyche where the white guy is laid back and street smart and slick and the black guy is nerdy and uptight. White Alpha Robert Downey in Iron Man without a doubt comes off better, cooler and more fun than black alpha Terrence Howard.

    I didn’t ignore Whiskey’s point. I addressed it repeatedly. There are tons of examples in the media of white guys looking better than black guys. So some white betas lose out in commercials. So what, white alphas rule the roost in BLOCKBUSTER MOVIES. Winning in blockbuster movies trumps losing in commercials any day.

    since most white males resemble beta males,

    If this is indeed true (I’m not saying it is, it’s your theory not mine), then perhaps that’s the problem. Back in the day to me most white men didn’t resemble beta males. If most white men today resemble beta males it may play a role in why they’re increasingly depicted as such.

    My point is, why care about how beta males are depicted? Beta males have always been considered losers. Isn’t that the ugly truth evo psych reveals? Just don’t be a beta white male. If I had a fat daughter and she was complaining about how unfair it is that men don’t lust over fat chicks and wanted to change the media to love “real women,” I’d tell her to shut the fuck up and just spend that time becoming skinny and hot instead and call it a day. Likewise, white betas, stop worrying about beta advocacy and just become a white alpha. Problem solved.

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  278. Or let me put it like this, what’s a better and more realistic battle to fight? Changing the whole world and getting them to go against thousands of years of evolutionary programming and start respecting betas, or just changing one person, yourself, and making yourself an alpha?

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  279. Joe T.:

    re: your encounter with MJ in a Las Vegas Barnes and Noble.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html

    the author, who claims to have been on the inside of jackson’s circle, says that jackson was homosexual and often snuck away to seedy las vegas motels, sometimes dressed as a woman, to have sexual rendezvous…

    so, he could have been attempting to approach you or something…

    read the article, it’s fascinating.

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  280. Seems like a big (but not really) sausage fest of losers–including the author–on this blog. Sensing lots of hatred for women…tells me the sausages are quite small.

    Women are empowered and are in control of everything–and are becoming more so. We are beautiful and smart, and can get, do, and be anything we want…and I’m thinking that’s pissing a lot of men off who miss their pseudo-power of the old days gone by… TOO BAD.

    And you better get used to kissing our feet and putting away the bitterness and resentment b/c we are seeing you more and more for the little men you are with this attitude. You have nothing to offer us and you will die off in the evolutionary process.

    Michael Jackson was AMAZING. Most of the people posting here can’t even beging to comprehend or express creativity like he did. And are jealous haters. They’re always there.

    And most of you are stupid b/c one minute you’re saying he’s not masculine, and the next you’re labeling him as alpha male. Sounds like you’re obsessed with the small size of your own penis.

    And as far as having no moral judgement, sense of justice….whatever…men are so egotistical and self-obsessed (penis) and make all decisions around this. All it takes is one lap dance and you’d give away everything you have in the hope of something more. WEAK.

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  281. emme:

    no hatred, just realism about the true nature of women.

    and women have had their day in the sun. the tide is turning, and roissy is at the forefront of the forthcoming tidal wave.

    also, michael jackson was homosexual therefore *alpha*, in the sense intended here, does not apply.

    the main purpose of this blog is to help men realize that giving the world to a woman for a “lap dance” like most men would do, is not the way to actually do well with women. taking the lap dance for granted and being of the mindset that there are plenty of lap dances to come and it is worth holding out for quality is the male’s ticket to freedom. roissy has actually helped men put this into perspective and act accordingly.

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  282. Chuck:

    You obviously know nothing about women and I’m guessing this is why we don’t like you and subsequently why you are frustrated and bitter.

    And as far as MJ being homosexual–who knows or cares? But, I who would spot it better than a gay man????

    And I’m sure there will be plenty of lap dances in the future of men like this. That’s my point. That will be all they have, as no one of quality would ever take any men with these ideas seriously. It makes you look insecure–like you’ve been rejected a lot and defective.

    Women ARE the sun. We are everything. And you can’t live without it, but we don’t need you. THIS is the basis for the bitterness. 🙂

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  283. Emme —

    Judging men by penis size is like judging women by the size of their (fake) boobs. It’s immature.

    Women like you face a whole bunch of guys who won’t make your (or most women’s cut). That gives you power … for now. When your looks fade, most men who didn’t make your cut won’t do a damn thing for you. You face hostility in the meantime. Every now and then you get an amok-like Cho, and guess what?

    Those loser betas won’t give a drop of blood to protect you.

    Most women are one hotter woman away from being plain. Most women are amazingly stupid about most everything, particularly men (they consistently underestimate the capacity for violence). Women are not good in street fights or battles. Women are putty in thugs hands and in the current system, most men will refuse to White Knight it when a woman gets slapped around by a thug.

    Women are by and large (a few minor exceptions) absolute failures and uninterested in: math, physics, chemistry, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, anything science related outside of bio-science. Women are incapable of most hard, demanding blue collar jobs such as linemen, oil rig divers, and the like which are critical to keeping the economy going. Most women have no conception whatsoever (and are unwilling to understand them) of the principles of economics and probability (ironic since Byron’s Daughter, Ada Lovelace, and Florence Nightengale were pioneers, but there you have it).

    As women gain more and more economic power, the temptation for men to simply take it by brute force or taxation or both becomes overwhelming. Particularly since few women are a “man’s” exclusive partner, one he “owns” as his faithful and depended partner. Independence for women means men don’t give a damn about them.

    Jackson was a mediocre dancer, talented only by Pop Britney and Backstreet standards. He lacked the discipline and artistry of Baryshnikov, or of Balachine, or Aistaire and Gene Kelly. He was flamingly gay and unable like Prince to deal with his gayness.

    Guys in their teens and twenties are easy to manipulate, but by their thirties it’s almost impossible. Particularly since their peers and women even ten years younger are used up, rode hard, many-partnered women who’s last age of innocence was at their twelfth birthday party.

    As anyone who’s looked at primate behavior can attest, women want to mate with the dominant male. This leaves non-dominant men out in the cold, but with one critical difference from other primates — weapon making, which equalizes the smallest to the biggest. Thus the built in-incentive for non-dominant males is to band together, kill the Alphas, enslave the females, kill the male offspring, rape/enslave the women. This is most of human history, see the Illiad, Old Testament, etc.

    I’m glad you commented — you cement my theory that most women are appallingly stupid about most things in particular men, and exhibit great hate for any non-Alpha male.

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  284. Michael Jackson’s death was definately assisted suicide. Michael Jackson knew that he wasn’t up to the comeback tour.

    He knew that if he had gone through with it he would have been always remembered as the star who was charged with molestation, who was well past his best, or worse.

    Suicide, assisted by his doctor, resulting in his death gave him a degree of pardon for his past and he will be remembered as a genius. And it means his children will become rich from his royalties and they will not have to live with the stigma that would have always been attached to them. And his debts will be cleared.

    The doctor’s claims about trying and wanting to revive him was well rehearsed.

    A not surprising end to his life..!

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  285. Whiskey:

    Since you know nothing about me, I won’t even begin to take offense at anything you’ve said. THAT’S empowerment–knowledge. I know who I am and all that I have to offer, and not even threats of rape can tame that.

    The sad thing is, I don’t even think “alpha” male when I meet people. I’m impressed by what the person has to say, if he is evolved in his thinking, if he shows respect and courteousy to others. These are things I’m drawn to…in essence, the person’s energy.

    If I met the men who have left these hate-filled comments here I would think of them as “lesser males” only b/c of their attitudes, and no other reason.

    I’ll give you that it was less-evolved of me to play the small penis card so quickly…what there are plenty of references to physical characteristics of women all over this blog. And when I see/hear that, I automatically think, “this guys has a small penis”…why else the obsession over size? Why else would he try to degrade and tear down a woman unless he has felt the reciprocal?

    And there are many women who are just as good at math and such as men. I know many more smart women than men. But even so, who says math is the ultimate representation of intelligence? If if that was the ONE thing men are good at, who cares?????

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  286. Joe, by dollar amounts (production and ad budgets) and sheer presence in the media environment, commercials are far more important than a FEW blockbuster films.

    By definition, Blockbuster films are about two per year. If that. Sometimes there’s a down year with one or none. By contrast, commercials are on TV 24/7.

    And they are far more important. For example, Cook’s Illustrated ten years ago had a readership of 17% men, now it is over 50%. About half the shoppers I see at the Supermarket are lone men, doing the purchasing/shopping. Yet TV is a female/gay ghetto, the checkout stand is a female-gay ghetto, innately hostile to it’s natural audience … Beta Men.

    There are not that many Alpha men. They are not a market. Even in tickets sold, rather than inflationary ticket revenues, Hollywood is down, like TV is down, like newspapers are down (and closing). Major studios are considering merging — the sign of a terminally declining industry. Disney is failing … it’s tween girl formula is failing during the recession. They’re trying to get boys … based on the recommendations of a Hispanic woman!

    Men form half the consumers in this country, high divorce rates and late marriages mean that critical consumers go unaddressed by marketers. Even Blockbuster films often fail, witness the latest Terminator film, “Tom Cruise, Boy Nazi,” and other mega-flops. Most movies made lose money, and the number of say, “Rachel Getting Married” types overwhelm the intended Blockbusters, of which at least half fail. Something you almost never saw in Hollywood’s golden age because most films were aimed at young/old, male/female, alike. Beverly Hillbillies in 1968 pulled in 60 million viewers, with 100 million less people than today, nearly a third less. Only the Superbowl with around 100 million viewers pulls in population adjusted numbers.

    Sopranos? Shield? Get lots of buzz, the viewers for each are around 3 million per episode, or LESS. Most of them … White Women. How Shia LaBoef, Tobey Maguire, Casey Affleck, Tom Cruise, Michael Cera, and Owen Wilson are anyone’s idea of a leading man baffles me. Much less “Alpha.”

    Yes, in a few Blockbuster films the White guy can be cooler, easily countered by “Blade” or “Collateral” or “Crash” or “Bad Boys” or “Deja Vu” or “Man on Fire,” or that Will Smith movie about a homeless Superhero, the White guy is the bad guy or buffoon, the Black guy the hero. Heck in the Smith movie, he even nails the White (secret super powered wife) played by Charlize Theron of the Jason Bateman doofus character, portrayed as an idiot because he lacks superpowers and macho.

    The overall effect however is that macho Black guys are preferred by the White Female audience who cannot buy that in a White guy in a commercial. Recent trends however have even that being overwhelmed by portraying Black Dads as doofuses.

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  287. Emme —

    Unless your routinely pack and practice hyper vigiliance, you better be concerned about having most men have a stake in you and yourself. You’re weak compared to even the slightest man, so you need men to come to your aid.

    They won’t if they don’t have any interest in you.

    Whether you know who you are or what you have to offer is irrelevant. None of that means anything to a man with a knife or a gun, and bottom line (as in VT shootings) no man will risk his life to save you if he does not get anything out of it. Your social power lasts right up to the point of physical violence, which is always closer to the surface than you think. Then your social power of female disapproval of a some beta guy is meaningless.

    My advice to you would be to join the NRA, take lessons, apply for a CCW if it’s legal in your state. That’s empowerment, not knowing who you are.

    If you are honest, when you meet a man you assess how socially dominant he is. If say Pete Wentz or Barack Obama had made any of those comments, it would not matter, you’d still want to have sex with them because they are rock stars. If say Patton Oswalt had made them, not so much. On a good day he’s a Hollywood Square. You don’t care about anything else than social and power dominance. Women just don’t. Exhibit A: Bill Clinton.

    Women are almost entirely absent from either arduous blue collar work required to keep electricity flowing and water running and other stuff that women find messy, dirty, smelly, and too hard to do (lacking upper body strength). They make incompetent and incapable firemen (again lacking upper body strength). No woman can carry a 200 lb man or woman down a flight of stairs. While it’s on fire. Women are absent from most technology, absent from the Fields Medal from Math entirely (the “Math Nobel Prize” — there has NEVER been a female winner). In almost all of our scientific understanding, and our ability to produce life enhancing and saving technology, women are absent.

    Bottom line: women need men, particularly Beta men, a lot more than they think. You’re probably an attractive woman who’s had beta and other men flatter you to get you into bed. Get used to this kind of treatment — it’s what you’ll get the microsecond your looks go, for the rest of your life.

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  288. Follow up —

    Emme these guys are not going away. You’re going to have to deal with them, in one way or another, the rest of your life.

    Your power over them lasts EXACTLY as long as your looks do, which is not very damn long. And even that is tenuous. My very first post on my blog was about Pitcairn Island. Mutiny on the Bounty? Ring a bell?

    Pretty romantic huh? … But ever wonder WHY nearly 70% of the crew wanted on the tiny skiff with Bligh, facing over 2500 miles of open ocean? Why so many wanted to go with Bligh that the mutineers had to put ashore the remainder at Tahiti? What happened … AFTER?

    After: Thirty years later, an American Whaler puts into Pitcairn Island. They find ONE MAN alive. The mutineers had tricked the Nine Tahitian men, and with twelve of the Mutineers, and eleven Tahitian women, someone was getting shafted. The Tahitian men were enslaved on the Island, revolted, and the mutineers and the Tahitians all killed each other. Fletcher Christian was the first to die, killed in front of his hut and wife and child, tending his garden. Shot by fellow mutineers. The lone survivor said he laid low while the mutineers killed first the Tahitian men, then each other, until the last guy got drunk and fell off a cliff. Island legends say he waited until the last three were alive, and then killed them all to have ALL the women. Some of the women and kids were killed also.

    Lesson: Women control far less than they think, violence always lurks around, without a whole army of betas invested in most women and thus interested in protecting them, women are vulnerable to enslavement. They sure as hell cannot protect themselves.

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  289. I DON’T care if men find me appealing now or ever! REALLY! That’s no threat to me…again this is empowerment. Like everyone–including you–I want to be well-thought of, but if some dude doesn’t think I’m hot, who cares? Who is he? There is always going to be somebody who thinks everyone is beautiful. Bottom line.

    And I feel like you are making a lot of assumptions about me and other women. If Obama or Clinton or anyone else said degrading things about women, I would lead a rally myself to get rid of them. But they wouldn’t b/c they are Liberal and evolved (unlike the card-carrying members of the NRA), and know their wives would TCB if needed.

    Confidence is attractive–we all want someone who is healthy and feels good about him/herself…but more than that is a positive attitude and respect…and the LACK of violence. And what is a “leader”? People lead in different ways, and women see that. We want respect and equality and we deserve it as much or more than men. Perhaps you’ve been hanging out in bars too much? Perhaps the girls there are looking for said “alpha male” to get where they want. But no one deserves violence–you should recognize this as a weakness in humanity, not just in women.

    And, again, seriously, who cares who has won the math nobel prize??? I don’t. Most men don’t. Women have more power than any equation–we are the only ones with the power to reproduce; without us, there will be no more winners of anything.

    Also, I just want to see if I’m understanding you correctly: are you advocating raping women?? Or are you saying you wouldn’t be willing to help a woman if she was in a VT situation, or being victimized?

    To me, that would be a problem you have with humanity and the respect for life. Because, even if a man was completely useless and a moron–and even if one of the dill weeds on this blog was on fire, if I could, I would still help him…because I value life. That is also empowerment. And I don’t need or want to pack a gun to attain it.

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  290. Whiskey:

    And the ability to form a militia is not the ultimate form of power… However, if needed, any woman could coerce this at any moment if needed. It sort of sounds like to me that you put way too much confidence in said “beta males”. And I’m seeing now it’s not just women that are bothering you–it’s men as well.

    I’m smart. If I needed to learn to use a gun to protect myself and evolve, I would. And there’s no man who could do it better.

    Believe me.

    But, thank goodness we are no longer living in caves or conquering far-off lands…we are have evolved to a point where power is more than a gun. Thank goodness.

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  291. Just go to calle ocho or something and pick up a chonga.

    Seriously. 😡

    Did I do something wrong, or did I expose some deep seating bitterness and resentment? 😛

    Actually, judging from a quick image search, the Italian guidettes up North seem to be better looking than and less trashy their Hispanic South Florida counterparts. Regardless, those girls tend to want alphas of their social class over weak, effeminate, geeky boys. Plus, their choice in Converse and Nike sneakers leaves a high heel shoe fetishist like myself sick…

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  292. “You obviously know nothing about women and I’m guessing this is why we don’t like you and subsequently why you are frustrated and bitter.”

    weird that you gleaned that synopsis from one paragraph i wrote.

    don’t lump every man you meet and every man on roissy’s board as frustrated and bitter. there are a good number of us who are looking for enlightenment and truth on this blog.

    “Women ARE the sun. We are everything. And you can’t live without it, but we don’t need you. THIS is the basis for the bitterness.”

    funny that you lambaste the writings of roissy that tell us that women are *not* the sun. if what roissy and others like him wrote was so benign i doubt there would be any backlash from women like you. if, on the other hand, he were actually on to something, your taunts would be understood.

    as for not needing us, it takes two to tango baby. maybe you don’t need some certain man, but you need *men*. period. you’ll never escape.

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  293. I’m saying that if you consider this blog to be enlightenment, then you know nothing about “the true nature of women.”

    The “backlash” comes from the role women have been expected play for years; it comes from the fact that my great-grandmother wasn’t even allowed to vote for part of her life. And now we are seeing this uprising from men who don’t like the power we have claimed. Men who don’t like the fact that we have realized our power and will be exercising it from now on.

    I am not taunting; I am annoyed that men would not celebrate this liberation with us. I am annoyed with the degrading statements and attitudes, as would you be.

    I haven’t read this blog in it’s entirety, but the theme seems to be to box women in and render them powerless–or at least try to convince women they are powerless. This is done in even subtle ways–like threatening to consider a woman fat, stupid, etc…

    Here’s the thing, lots of us don’t care. We know we are beautiful, we know we are smart. We LOVE our curves: round hips and ample breasts that *gasp!* may sag a little. But we love them, and we are true women and goddesses.

    No man has ever acted or expressed himself to me in the way I’ve seen the men on this blog talk about women. If they held such thought, they kept it to themself. And I don’t think the majority of men feel this way about women. And honestly, I think men will feel about us the way we feel about ourself; men will feel what we expect them to feel.

    I appreciate men, I’m not saying that I don’t want them in my life, I’m just I could be without them if needed (financially, sexually, etc.).

    And one more thing…not that it’s anyone’s business, but I keep seeing “worn out” and “rode hard”…that’s another stupid assumption and generalization that shows ME you know nothing about WOMEN. I have only had one partner in my life and we were together 4 years. There has been no one else–because I CHOOSE it to be that way. I am offended you consider all women past the age of 12 to be “loose”. But then again, maybe you are just threatened by sexual prowess…

    I think we should all realize women don’t completely understand men and men don’t completely understand women… and let everything else go…and be nice–BOTH sides.

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  294. Emme,
    W/all due respect I have to sa that you haven’t responded in any substantial, fact-based way to either Chuck’s, nor Whiskey’s arguments; what you have done is given us all a mini-personality sketch of yourself, sweeping, blanket “group” Ad Homs against the whole of the male membership of this blog, and engage in the sort of rank, out and out misandry that if the tables were turned and the discussion was occuring at Feministing, Feministe or Jezebel, we’d be pilloried for being misogynists, then unceremoniously banned w/o the chance for rebuttal, which you’ve had.

    Compare and contrast.

    Indeed Emme, all you’ve said, and the tone that accompanies it, has only served to buttress the very insights and premises that are common in Game and PUA forums. Your inability and/or unwillingness to refute, w/facts, that which Whiskey and Chuck has said gives any member here all the proof they need as to the workings of the female mind.

    What would be better in my view Emme, is if you’d actually layout in specific, detailed terms exactly what you take issue with this forum and why, instead of engaging in the blogsphere equivalent of a drive by shooting. If nothing else no one couldn’t say that your comments and concerns weren’t cogently written and calmly expressed.
    The Obsidian

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  295. emme:

    which blog did you come from? feministing.com perhaps?

    you speak fem-speak, that’s why i’m wondering. if you are a feminist, then please explain this quote from your first comment on the blog:

    “Women are empowered and are in control of everything–and are becoming more so.”

    so women aren’t quite as weak as our liberalized culture would have you believe? funny, because feminists have convinced us that you all are very weak. so weak in fact that we have to enact special legislation to make up the difference in weakness.

    here is the viewpoint that many men on this blog operate from: we have been told a lie. we have been told that women will love us if we treat them a certain way. if we buy them flowers or pour love upon them, if we treat them like they are the *sun* they will love us back. this is patently un-fucking-true.

    your SUN analogy serves the purpose of this blog quite well actually. a woman will act according to how a man treats her. if a man acts like his woman is the sun, she will act like she is the sun. she will allow her man to react to her gravitational pull which causes him to orbit around her. on the other hand, if a man treats his woman like *he’s* the sun, she will act according to that as well. she will orbit around him and be dependent on his mass (literally – sexually too). this blog is merely a rebalancing of our society’s tilt in the favor of females in the feminist age.

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  296. OB & Chuck:

    I’m sorry that I’m not quoting some weird story I found in which all the feminist women strategically take over the world and and enslave and rape men. Oops.

    I did talk about the fact that women were not even allowed to vote until ****1910***** it’s called the Women’s Suffrage Movement. How’s THAT for fact…and a little bit of actual fact-based history thrown in????

    I’ve read a little more here and it seems like it’s just a bunch of insecure men/boys who are scared women won’t need them any more…or b/c they’ve been rejected a lot…

    Boring….zzzzzzz…. Definitely not alpha male behaviour!!!!!!

    I probably would be considered a feminist and many men would appreciate that…and the reason I’ve wasted any time on this blog was to put it into the minds of anyone who reads this that women are, and will continue to be, very powerful. Women WILL be respected. And men should be respected as well, but that does NOT mean we should make less money just to cushion the male ego.

    I really hope you are not introducing the option and idea of rape to gain this power back…because women will continue to evolve and up the stakes…and you really don’t want to take that forgranted. 🙂

    I’m tired now. Peace out.

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  297. Emme:

    “I did talk about the fact that women were not even allowed to vote until ****1910***** it’s called the Women’s Suffrage Movement. How’s THAT for fact…and a little bit of actual fact-based history thrown in????”

    dude, seriously…..it’s 1920. fucking christ.

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  298. Emme,
    Yes, you did mention the fact that Women didn’t have the right to vote in this country *nearly a century ago*; perhaps you missed it, but last year a Woman ran for, and nearly won, her party’s nomination for President of the United States? My, what a difference nearly a century makes, hmm?

    I find your posts to be filled with kneejerk reactionary invective, about as accurate as a youngbuck waving around an Uzi, and quite honestly a bit painful to read. But we do agree on one thing though: you definitely have not read this blog to any meaningful degree.

    That alone, tells anyone all they need to know about the level of your conscientiousness.

    Oh, almost forgot, yet another thing on which we agree…

    You are most definitely tired.

    Sweet dreams.

    O

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  299. Emme:

    I really hope you are not introducing the option and idea of rape to gain this power back…

    So far, I am the only one advocating that. See my blog. I am reviled for it even here. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen and certainly will happen if law and order breaks down; that is, if men don’t care to protect you anymore. Look to Congo, for example.

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  300. “Boring….zzzzzzz…. Definitely not alpha male behaviour!!!!!!”

    then don’t read. go back to reading Perez Hilton or something. You likely googled “Michael Jackson” anyway to come upon this post.

    “I probably would be considered a feminist and many men would appreciate that”

    no they wouldn’t. they might tell you that. hell, they might tell *themselves* that, but they don’t believe it. there’s nothing to appreciate in today’s feminism.

    “And men should be respected as well, but that does NOT mean we should make less money just to cushion the male ego.”

    women can enter the job force. they can take over men’s jobs. they can become breadwinners. they can do whatever they want, but they can’t expect things to remain static if that happens. things will shift. you say women evolve; well, men are evolving to the new dynamic of women in the workforce, female skewed legislation, female skewed parental rights, and a whole host of imbalances that favor women over men.

    how are men evolving? read this blog and you can see for yourselves. we aren’t putting up with as much shit from women. and something that goes along with that is a sort of marriage strike. why enter those unions if there’s nothing in it for us? so, really, men are winning in a way because we are chipping away at each and every one of your gems. we are fucking more of you with no commitment. your chastity, your prized vagina is being defiled and devalued with each penetration. that is how we are evolving. we are merely seeking out other means to readjust the government-aided monolith of feminism.

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  301. arpagus:

    “So far, I am the only one advocating that. See my blog. I am reviled for it even here. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen and certainly will happen if law and order breaks down; that is, if men don’t care to protect you anymore. Look to Congo, for example.”

    so are you advocating it so that we will become more like congo?

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  302. Chuck: “so are you advocating it so that we will become more like congo?”

    I am advocating it to combat feminism.

    There is a good chance the advice from this forum may make that option obsolete from me personally, though, but the point stands for men in general.

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  303. If …IF…things are out of balance right now, you are only experiencing what women and minorities have experienced for centuries…

    This blog is only a place to make yourself feel better. At the end of the day, women are still in control: the workplace, the home, the relationship…

    You are all obviously OBSESSED with women or this blog would not even exist.

    All you can do is reach for things to write and say that you *think* will be hurtful…

    You think WAY too highly of yourselves.

    {and thanks for speaking for all men and women *roll eyes*}

    The thing is, I know men want me…and the thing is, any smart woman knows that’s not JUST physical beauty…it’s so much more…and it will always be there.

    Women are so amazing! In a round-about way, this blog is totally devoted to us…

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  304. Emme,
    Again, more invective, pot calling the kettle blackism, and so on. Snore.

    If you have any actual legitimate points, based in fact, to refute Chuck and Whiskey’s original statements to you, by all means make them. Otherwise you’re doing little more than being a troll.

    O

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  305. on June 28, 2009 at 7:17 am SmartyJones

    Well the Brits aren’t going to be too nice to an American pop star. They are blowing the lid off. Recounting everything from the guy meeting dudes in Vegas and sleazy motels to his failure to deal with reality both financially and health wise.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html

    @ Thee Obsidian – all this discussion about movies as the cultural norms of America is frankly overblown. We know what Hollywood is and it isn’t America, it’s more like the anti-America. It reflects what liberals test market and sell.

    Spike is not the Hollywood model and he certainly is not the model for a integrated happy America. He’s not aging well. He has a bitterness that often is underplayed in his films. But when he talks, it’s always there. Even Chris Rock makes fun of him for that.

    Met that guy several times and he got a fat head a long time ago too. Used to say a few words to him at Knick games when no one knew who he was and now, well now he thinks he is part of the Knick game.

    With the exception of Malcolm X, when was his last good film? One that made it into the black, pardon the pun?

    After “Do the Right Thing” he fell on his face. DTRT was a masterpiece. I argued with friends about that for years. Then there’s Crooklyn? Gosh, who actually even funded that movie? It’s useless.

    And is there anything worse than a Whoopi Goldberg movie? I avoid them like the plague.

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  306. Emme,

    It is true that men, when young and not so young, really lust after women. This gives YOUNG women power over men. But, that power fades fast. So, don’t abuse it.

    In terms of satisfying lust, one good looking woman is as good as any other. It’s that love thing which confuses young men. But, with experience, they outgrow that.

    About being our sunshine. Most women I know are boring, once you get past their sexual appeal. Just think about the books most women read. Since that sex appeal fades fast, you get the picture.

    About intellectual capacity and economic worth of men and women? You are delusional if you think women can contribute the same value to society as men. Our economic system consists in very large part of wealth transfer from men to women.

    For example, the biggest debit items facing our society going forward are health care and pensions. Women consume greatly more health care than men, and they live twice as long as men after retirement. So, these debits are just a huge burden which men will have to pay to benefit women.

    It get worse. Women are dominant in the health care profession in terms of jobs. So, men pay high taxes and health insurance premiums to provide health care to women, and at the same time provide jobs to women to provide that same care. Same for nursing home care.

    Our society will change when men get tired of paying to support women who provide men with nothing in return. I think (and hope) that time is coming soon.

    You can see this change in the health professions. Male doctors used to marry nurses, with the expectation that he would support her. Now, male doctors marry female doctors. By doing so, they are announcing they have no intention of supporting women. (At least not their official wives.) That is really sweet, because if he cheats on her when they are in their forties (why not), or she cheats on him, and they get divorced, he doesn’t get burned by the divorce. He can just walk away from the marriage, intact.

    So, enjoy your youth and beauty while you have them. They’ll both be gone before you know it. Then what?

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  307. Don’t waste your time on Emme, gentlemen.

    Arguing with feminists is a waste of time. Move on. There are much better women than Emme in the world.

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  308. If …IF…things are out of balance right now, you are only experiencing what women and minorities have experienced for centuries…

    Whenever someone plans to inflict an injustice on their enemies, they first argue that those enemies inflicted injustice on them.

    Two wrongs always make a right, after all.

    You are all obviously OBSESSED with women or this blog would not even exist.

    Men are obsessed with women – just as women are obsessed with men – what an amazingly insightful conclusion! Thank God a Highly Intelligent Woman has finally come to this blog to straighten us all out.

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  309. Re: Emme

    The defining characteristic of an “argument” from a feminist is that there is no argument; it is all just taunting. It is all just poking at what they perceive to be areas of emotional vulnerability.
    Emme seems to have only one thing to say to men regarding gender issues “I know you want me but you cannot have me!!!” What will she have to say when, in the near future, it becomes clear that no one wants her?

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  310. Good job Whiskey, Obsidian, Chuck & others debating Emme’s longwinded and arrogant-sounding argument.

    One online debating tip: your comments were solid. But only if someone actually reads them. I doubt Emme did, other than skimming them and readying to grandstand some more. That’s because there are only two fun things about debating:

    1) hearing oneself talk
    2) reading arguments that favor our side.

    No one reads long arguments of one’s opponent. I sure as hell didn’t more than just skim through Emme’s long posts. But guys I agree with, like DFH, I’ll read the whole thing.

    Same with Emme. She’s not gonna read the whole thing Whiskey wrote. That’s why you gotta respond with targeted one-liners.

    A more effective tactic — respond to her points with pithy one-sentence retorts. This guarantees she’ll read them. And if phrased in a witty and pointed enough way, they’ll sink in.

    Roissy does this well. Notice how he responds to his opponents with item-by-item one-liners.

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  311. Don’t waste your time on Emme, gentlemen.
    Arguing with feminists is a waste of time.

    Not exactly.

    Don’t debate to sway your opponent. That’s rarely a successful venture.

    Debate to sway a thrid-party reader who may otherwise be suckered in by a feminist’s argument.

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  312. @pa

    “Debate to sway a thrid-party reader who may otherwise be suckered in by a feminist’s argument.”

    Good point.

    @emme

    When I first came here it was the blog post “It’s easy to identify a slut”, I was mightily offended, but I kept coming back. I learned there are some very thoughtful discussions taking place here and I believe a lot of what Roissy and his readers talk about it is true, Roissy likes shock value and it makes it an entertaining read. Yes, it’s crude and yes it’s not always flattering regarding females, yes there are men who may be a tiny bit bitter…but there’s a very good representation of men here, they don’t all have the same story or same views. You need to read more without the knee jerk reaction. I understand it, but stick around and get to know these people and you MAY have a shift in your thiking. Granted I’m not a feminist, so truthfully easier for me than it might be for you.

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  313. @DavidAlexander:
    “Did I do something wrong, or did I expose some deep seating bitterness and resentment?

    Actually, judging from a quick image search, the Italian guidettes up North seem to be better looking than and less trashy their Hispanic South Florida counterparts. Regardless, those girls tend to want alphas of their social class over weak, effeminate, geeky boys. Plus, their choice in Converse and Nike sneakers leaves a high heel shoe fetishist like myself sick.”

    The smiley was actually supposed to look something like

    =x <—-

    But it changed into that weird one for some reason.

    But yeah, at one point, when I was eleven, I wanted to be able to do my hair chonga style. I'm so glad I never tried.

    I can't imagine you with a girl like that. At all. That would be so funny, though.

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  314. @DavidAlexander:

    “Did I do something wrong, or did I expose some deep seating bitterness and resentment?

    Actually, judging from a quick image search, the Italian guidettes up North seem to be better looking than and less trashy their Hispanic South Florida counterparts. Regardless, those girls tend to want alphas of their social class over weak, effeminate, geeky boys. Plus, their choice in Converse and Nike sneakers leaves a high heel shoe fetishist like myself sick…”

    No, the smiley face was supposed to look like =x.

    Anyway, I couldn’t imagine you with those girls. That would be a funny sight.

    On Emme:

    How old are you? 13? Look hon, your arguments were the most painful arguments I’ve EVER had to read. Please, just stop. For the sake of humanity, stop.

    Thank you.

    @aoefe:

    I consider myself a feminist and don’t have that much of a problem with what goes on here. But, at the same time, I’m not really much of a feminist. At least…not by the definition of feministing or any of those people.

    I think obsidian made a good point asking where Emme came from, because feministing has to have a lot of the dumbest arguments I’ve EVER read. EVER. Sure, every now and then they’ll put on an international article about some serious issue, but almost always it’s about stupid things, like whether people should hold the door open for each other, or how WOW is sexist because people can put bunny ears on their characters. Or sometimes they’ll take any article, and just add,”It’s because she was a woman!” at the end.

    It’s a load of crap.

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  315. @mandy with her XD back

    When I say I’m not a feminist I mean not in the pursuit of equality way. Neither am I about declaring women the sun, the moon or the stars. To clarify I’m not saying women shouldn’t have rights. I simply believe women and men are different and the differences should be celebrated. (i.e. Men are much more logical and women have higher degrees of emotional intelligence.)

    Women need men and men need women. I don’t like any attitude from either side which says we can do just fine without you. That’s bullshit.

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  316. @aoefe:

    Yeah, but I think we should understand the differences between the genders beforehand.

    There are obvious differences. But some of them (women are bad at math and are good at understanding people!) I wonder about.

    I don’t understand people at all. And I’m good at math. According to the BBC website quizzes, I have a male brain because I understand shapes. At the same time, my second finger is significantly longer than my fourth, so testosterone can’t be responsible.

    Maybe I’m just a freak.

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  317. About Emme

    Here’s the thing, lots of us don’t care. We know we are beautiful, we know we are smart. We LOVE our curves: round hips and ample breasts that *gasp!* may sag a little. But we love them, and we are true women and goddesses.

    Emme is fat. And somewhere between plain and ugly. If you know anything about how hot women talk about themselves and how fat and plain ones do.

    And one more thing…not that it’s anyone’s business, but I keep seeing “worn out” and “rode hard”…that’s another stupid assumption and generalization that shows ME you know nothing about WOMEN. I have only had one partner in my life and we were together 4 years. There has been no one else–because I CHOOSE it to be that way.

    Emme is a lesbian.

    A fat lesbian feminist who has yet to express an interesting, or even challenging, idea.

    Could someone be any less interesting, or more useless, to us men?

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  318. @Doug1:

    Wow that was priceless.

    Emme really needs to speak for herself. Ample breasts wth.

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  319. @doug I

    Missed you. 🙂

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  320. aoefe–

    Thank you, you beautiful sexy thing you!

    Been busy, in several different ways.

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  321. That’s…kind of sad.

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  322. on June 28, 2009 at 1:01 pm SmartyJones

    Back on point, in my 20K music library, I’ve probably not even played the Michael Jackson stuff once. Definitely not on my high end but now lower key music system. (NHT Xd, Lavry DA-10, Sony SACD 777ES – twice modded, Grand Prix Audio Monaco stand, PS Audio GCP-200 preamp, PS Audio Power Premier).

    When you look back at when he exploded post “Off the Wall” you can appreciate he was a real break through artist. MTV was not politically correct, and gotten in the habit of “making” its stars such as Billy Idol, Madonna, etc. Michael was an r&b guy who didn’t fit.

    Quincy Jones took his talent and molded it into something that crossed many lines. As I sit and listen to some of these songs, I have to admire the ability that went into producing them.

    And with it does come a some melancholy as when anyone who has talent does themselves in. It was around this time that MJ would take out Brooke Shields to events as to alleviate the homosexual concerns.

    With all his money and fame, it sounds like he was pretty unhappy much of the time. Which goes to show you materialism is more debilitating than enhancing. But I digress….

    The link again:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html

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  323. on June 28, 2009 at 1:01 pm Tupac Chopra

    Doug:

    No further questions, Your Honor.

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  324. Mandy–

    There are obvious differences. But some of them (women are bad at math and are good at understanding people!) I wonder about.

    Overlapping bell curves is your answer Mandy, and the way you should routinely think about it. There are quite a number of women who are better at math than the average man, just as they are quite a number of women that are taller than the average man. Actually the math ability differences at the mean is very slight unlike height differences, although the relative interest in math of the two sexes (unless heavily propagandized away) is greater.

    As Larry Summers accurately said though (at the cost of his Harvard Presidency, and probably the current Secretary of Treasury job), the big differences in math ability are not at the means, but at the right side tail of the Guassian distributions, i.e. bell curves. Men 3 and 4 sigmas out are vastly better at math than women 3 and 4 sigmas out on their respective bell curves. I.e. the curve for women is more bunched towards the middle than it is for men. This is true of IQ overall too, though not as sharply as the math side of IQ. This is true of some other things as well. It’s as though the god of evolution is willing to roll the dice more with men. Actually, that’s just what “He” does.

    BTW, bell curves and overlapping ones are a characteristic of biological distributions of traits. Almost all biological traits within a species. (Some sexual traits though are binary – but only a few, and even those aren’t 100% binary, e.g. hermaphrodites.) It’s what the whole sexual reproduction mechanism spews out. Diversity of traits, their frequency and their amplitude help in the process of species adapting to environments which sometimes change rapidly, especially as species and groups jostle for advantages and different niches with the biosphere and cultural/social sphere.

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  325. “Don’t debate to sway your opponent. That’s rarely a successful venture.

    Debate to sway a thrid-party reader who may otherwise be suckered in by a feminist’s argument.”

    @PA —

    Fair enough, but it should be clear that debates with feminists follow a very predictable pattern. It may make sense to play out the script a bit in public so that the less initiated can watch and follow the pattern, and perhaps recognize it themselves in the future.

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  326. The other thing to remember about the bell curve is that the left side is also imbalanced in “favor” of men, such that the lowest end of many traits is also male dominated, with men outnumbering females at that end as well. Feminism doesn’t give a hoot about that, generally, however.

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  327. doug1

    A fat lesbian feminist who has yet to express an interesting, or even challenging, idea.

    Could someone be any less interesting, or more useless, to us men?

    ….chic noir

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  328. on June 28, 2009 at 1:08 pm SmartyJones

    Oh and this Emme person is probably normal in most senses. She’s just a typical overweight American female who pines about being both ample and a goddess.

    @Joel

    Like your brevity in pointing out the obvious failings in a mother overlooking a male role model for their son. Your example didn’t seem as measured and appropriate IMHO.

    You got the short strokes all dead on though. And having lived it, I can tell you it’s really harder to filter and overcome the obstacles that occur when you don’t have a father or role model growing up.

    Sometimes when folks hammer Lady Mourning I feel kinda bad for her then she will come back and say some really stupid shit rather flippantly and that goes out the window.

    Guess that’s what happens when you identify with your lesbian sisters dancing around the Wicca campfire.

    Women who fail to place any importance on the role model/father figure for a boy are destroying this society. Look at the crime stats and that should be creating a massive outreach to these boys, but it’s just not there.

    And we have one angry and mean dude that came out of that situation in the White House. He intends to make us all pay. No matter what the cost.

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  329. Novaseeker:

    The other thing to remember about the bell curve is that the left side is also imbalanced in “favor” of men, such that the lowest end of many traits is also male dominated, with men outnumbering females at that end as well. Feminism doesn’t give a hoot about that, generally, however.

    Yuup.

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  330. I am astounded at your blissful ignorance: WHY WOULD YOU THINK I CARE WHETHER OR NOT A MAN WILL WANT ME AFTER ANY CERTAIN AGE?

    Many men are aroused by more than some teen queen… And the bottom line is, men are easy. They will be attracted to what say they’ll be attracted to.

    But even if no man in the world would rather have me at 38 than some little girl, who cares? Why would I want to be with someone that defective anyway?

    And what do I need him for? I have my own job, money, friends, and everything I need. I am only responsible for myself–I have no children, AND DON’T WANT THEM. *gasp*

    I certainly don’t have to have a man for fulfill any pleasure or need. Men are becoming obselete to women who don’t want children. LIKE ME.

    Dougie:

    If I’m fat, you have a microscopic-sized penis. You reach for the fat card, I’ll reach for the under-developed genetalia comments. So easy…

    Chuck:

    I’m not a lesbian YET. However, I think if I read any more of these comments I could easily go in that direction…

    I don’t need a caveman who’s pissed women are smart, have good jobs, and live longer; someone who hates that we have the sexual power AND that we are breaking out of our gender roles and controling the world…someone who hates it that by the time I’m 38, I’ll only get hot for a young stallion with lots of energy, and not some bitter, middle-aged loser (*IF* I even want them for sex at that point).

    And who cares what they’re thinking about? Because I’ll probably be thinking about someone hotter than they are anyway.

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  331. We know we are beautiful, we know we are smart. We LOVE our curves: round hips and ample breasts that *gasp!* may sag a little. But we love them, and we are true women and goddesses

    The most common way for males to worship our female goddeses is called masturbation.

    send us a picture of yours, Emme. Blur your face if you wish. If you are what you say you are, I promise to worship you.

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  332. on June 28, 2009 at 1:21 pm Tupac Chopra

    And who cares what they’re thinking about? Because I’ll probably be thinking about someone hotter than they are anyway.

    That sword cuts both ways….

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  333. roissy:

    (imagine having to hear your brothers banging groupies at the age of 11 as you hide under the bedsheets sticking your fingers in your ears).

    fuck that; imagine the smell

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  334. gig:

    You go first, penile pic included, please. 🙂

    Tupac:

    That’s what I was saying…

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  335. Emme promised:

    I’m not a lesbian YET. However, I think if I read any more of these comments I could easily go in that direction…

    ok, i’ll give just a
    half comment then –

    just promise to bring

    a girl friend

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  336. I have no children, AND DON’T WANT THEM
    the human race thanks you. Darwin sends his best wishes to you

    I’m not a lesbian YET
    start slowly. have you ever heard about a “menage a trois”?

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  337. Of course note that the troll does not want kids.

    I wonder what would happen to our species if all women thought the way the troll did.

    Anyone?

    Hint: It’s not a trick question.

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  338. @doug- welcome back. bell-curve stuff great.

    @all – i agree with nova here, we have an obtuse attention-seeking troll here that should not be fed. not a single point of any value. at least LR has occasional flashes of blue-collar wisdom mixed in with all her crap. this set of exchanges can do nothing more than aggravate us and pollute the board. think about it.

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  339. @Doug1:

    Thanks for explaining that. And come to think of it, I’ve noticed it a lot. In gifted programs (which select students based on IQ), one would generally find slightly more girls than boys. The girls, for the most part, do well consistently. The boys are either focused in one subject area, intelligent but slack a lot, or (this is a minority) just destroy in all areas. Of course, I think the people that destroy in all areas are pretty rare, and you do see both genders in those fields. It’s just that the gap differs greatly between boys. I wonder why that is. :/

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  340. You go first, penile pic included, please

    http:// roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/a-test-of-your-game-3/#comment-44060

    dick-pics, as you can see in VKs epic comment, are cool.

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  341. Yes, please banish me from your undeveloped sausage fest you have here–a bunch of little-penised losers who are pissed and frustrated they can’t get laid.

    Awww…how sad for you… 😦

    And when they realize I don’t care about what they are saying, and doubt they aren’t nearly as smart as they equally tell eachother they are…They use their underdeveloped verbiage and call people names like “troll” and “fat”.

    It’s all very passe, really…very 18th century…

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  342. a couple weeks after VK’s comment, I did send dick-pic to a flaky girl. I laughed for a week because of the comment, and I was completely crazy to send a dick-pic to a flaky girl.

    Sometimes you get much more fun by not banging the girl

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  343. It’s all very passe, really…very 18th century

    stupid. they couldn’t send pictures in the 18th century

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  344. So bottome line, gig, you’re not posting or sending any penile pics?

    Interesting…

    I’ll promise to worry about whether any dude on here thinks I’m a goddess OR fat when I see a pic of everyone’s body and penis and decided whether or not I would even care what you think.

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  345. Awww…how sad for you

    sad is to work on Sunday and e-flirt with a feminist harpy.

    you’re not posting or sending any penile pics

    I can try putting it as my avatar, even though I like my phsicodelic pattern, OR, you can post your email

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  346. someone who hates it that by the time I’m 38

    That’s the fun part about the Roissyists. If a man with game isn’t going to date a 38 year old woman, what is his incentive to stay with his 38 year old wife from a long-term marriage when there are younger and/or better looking women to have sex with.

    I wonder what would happen to our species if all women thought the way the troll did.

    We’d die out and we’d let nature take over. Given our inability to engineer society into our ideal states, and the fact that oil will eventually run out, maybe we should let nature take over since we failed at truly conquering it.

    Re: Lady Rain

    I’ll probably be the only guy here who thinks Lady Rain should stay single, and that’s to protect her son and whatever man she marries from an awful marriage. The last thing that I want is to subject a beta male to being abused in a love less marriage full of nagging and insults, and I don’t want her son to view his mother’s nagging attittude toward his potential step-father as a reason why men shouldn’t get married.

    Male doctors used to marry nurses, with the expectation that he would support her. Now, male doctors marry female doctors.

    I suspect that due to assortative mating, the nurses who used to marry doctors in previous generations are now doctors.

    By doing so, they are announcing they have no intention of supporting women.

    I see nothing wrong with that. They should support themselves even in a marriage to avoid placing a burden on the other partner, and thus allowing each partner to spend their money as they see fit.

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  347. Um, I think think they COULD send pictures in the 18th century *IF* that was even what I was talking about in that comment. They are called paintings.

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  348. @Emme:

    Just leave already.

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  349. And you were e-flirting? With whom?

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  350. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    I am very open minded about showing my dick to girls. But don’t change subjects. show us a pic of your body so the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith can decide if you are worshippable or not

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  351. Emme is a great poster child for the deep ignorance of modern women.
    I mean, it is a fact that nowadays in a few places the average (or below average) woman can live as if she did not need the support or sympathy of any particular guy or the support of a family unit. This is very, very rare in all history and is due 100% to the incredible efficiency of an economy created largely by men and the resulting ease with which the basic necessities of life fall into her lap.
    Let us go back 100 years. The only way any woman could have such “independence” then was if she had lots of servants. How did a woman get lots of servants? Hook up with a rich guy.
    Could a woman get rich on her own? Some few did, but overwhelmingly women preferred the safety of a home-life where they could have some kids who survived.
    See, that is the only reason any of us are here. Our fore-barers made whatever choices were required to successfully reproduce.

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  352. @emme:

    “And you were e-flirting? With whom?”

    Who was this directed to?

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  353. And you were e-flirting? With whom?

    I explicitly called you a “feminist harpy”. I am open to change the “harpy” depending on your pic

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  354. Emme salivated:

    when I see a pic of everyone’s body and penis and decided whether or not I would even care what you think

    …sorry, fella

    finefantastic! has that on her site. whenever she feels like getting it to work

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  355. @gig:

    Don’t feed the troll.

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  356. A wall poster most feminists probaby have in their bedrooms:

    Sorry I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

    @emme

    “Men are becoming obselete to women who don’t want children. LIKE ME.”

    That’s very good news, because children need male role models.

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  357. @aoefe:

    Exactly. Girls and boys alike.

    They need mommies and daddies.

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  358. If anyone was flirting (gig) I missed it, and frankly, feel offended by the unwanted attention (you guys must get that a lot;) ).

    I’m a troll Mand BS or whatever? Post your pic somewhere and I’ll post mine.

    We’ll let society decided (not the undeveloped sausage factory here) who is the troll!

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  359. aoefe

    A wall poster most feminists probaby have in their bedrooms:

    Sorry I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

    thats cuz they’re not zaftig submissives, or have big boobs.

    show some pity

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  360. bye, fellows.

    gotta work now so I can to the bar to see the second half of Brazil X US in the confederations cup

    Brazil will humiliate the arrogant, imperialistic, overweight gringos.

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  361. Evolved…. not a word that means what Emme thinks it means.

    We get endless blather about how evolved she is… apparently she crawled out of the ocean all by her self. Of course she did, she’s a WOMAN! heh

    And she’s not going to have kids. Well, the gene pool is certainly better off for it and the human race will evolve with fewer half-witted, fat cows in it.

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  362. I can’t imagine you with a girl like that. At all. That would be so funny, though.

    Neither can I. I mean, girls like guidettes are just sexual partners at best, usable for pump and dumps. Otherwise, they really don’t seem like relationship material for a quiet sub-human male like myself, and they’re certainly not platonic relationship material either.

    But yeah, at one point, when I was eleven, I wanted to be able to do my hair chonga style. I’m so glad I never tried.

    Yes, had you done so, you may have developed a sexual look that would have attracted the alpha males of your school, leading you down a path of depravity and glorious addictive super orgasms that no beta male could replicate…

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  363. @Emme:

    Sorry, were you talking to me?

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  364. I’m a troll Mand BS or whatever

    no Emme, you are not a troll. You are an harpy. You can fly, for example, unlike a full-blooded troll like our missed TokyoJesusFist.

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  365. @firepower

    aoefe wrote a feminist tag line: “Sorry I can’t hear you over the sound of how awesome I am”

    I thought it a very funny line. You know how they are spouting their ideology but not listening to others, how they are declaring themselves the sun…ya know…I thought it funny not mean. When I have to explain my jokes I’m truly missing the mark.

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  366. @DavidAlexander:

    No, the supertight ponytail look isn’t for me. I’m not a huge fan of having glue in my hair. haha.

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  367. Oh! Rimshot! Give him extra points for using the word “fat” all you beta males!

    So sad that’s all you have to say, considering the irony that you have NO idea what I look like!

    All you can do is spew something out that is not true or factually based! GREAT argument–like all your wanna be homies will tell you, I’m sure.

    So, I’ll say it again: post a pic of your penis, I’ll post a pic of myself…and we’ll see who TRULY has an issue with size.

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  368. actually i’m starting to think that Emme and A.J. Travis are a match made in heaven. perfect for each other. they seem to share that distinctive largeness of spirit.

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  369. @ cptnapalm:

    “We get endless blather about how evolved she is… apparently she crawled out of the ocean all by her self. ”

    She’s not aphrodite…

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  370. @gig – i’m watching the game now too, and USA is going to KICK YOUR ASSES. whoo!

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  371. “spew something out that is not true or factually based”

    Just takin’ a cue from you.

    Fatty.

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  372. I think Emme’s secretly in love with all of us.

    That’s why she asked for my picture and keeps asking for your penis pictures.

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  373. @Mandy! XD:
    “She’s not aphrodite…”

    I’m thinking sea slug.

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  374. @cptnapalm:

    Maybe this fish.

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  375. on June 28, 2009 at 2:15 pm SmartyJones

    @gig

    Fuck off gig. The Americans are not overweight and I dare you to cross the middle against Guch on a ball played in the air from the wing.

    He’d fucking crush you. Their may be some Brazilians scattered around the pitch pulling on their legs like little sissies in a few minutes.

    Didn’t save Spain’s ass did it?

    Damn proud of Team USA. Damn proud. No matter what happens today, these guys have done great.

    How fed up with the Brazilian band wagon. Every little fucker I’d like to hit in the head. Saw it in 94 and enough is enough.

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  376. WHY would I be hot for any of you? WHY????

    Aphrodite is over-rated. I’m more Artemis-like.

    You keep using the word “fat” which is an obvious obessesion with size…which leads me to believe you have small penises, and ergo, this site and why you should actually post pics of yourself to dispell the myth.

    I wish any of you had a penis big enough to visit other websites where you didn’t have your disfunctional support group to back you up on everything you say…I don’t think you would last as long as I have here.

    I can’t believe there are dudes out there actually like this. I’m astounded. It’s like watching a trainwreck.

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  377. @Emme:

    The only reason you have lasted long on here is because you’re as stubborn as a mule.

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  378. Chuck – yes, of course it occurred to me in my encounter with MJ that he was trying to break the ice to pick me up. That’s the main reason I didn’t talk to him.

    That notwithstanding, in retrospect I still think I could have sidestepped the discomfort of probably being sexualized and had a *somewhat* normal conversation with the guy that day. I’ll probably always regret this.

    With respect to the tirades from Emme, I she makes some valid points about violence, valuing life, etc., but in general she’s pretty confused, alienated, and full of herself — the typical “evolved” young American woman who has in fact evolved away from whatever essential femininity she may ever have had, under the crushing pressures of America’s individualist, consumerist, and corporate-supremacist culture.

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  379. Artemis – She was the Hellenic goddess of forests and hills, child birth, virginity, fertility, the hunt, and often was depicted as a huntress carrying a bow and arrows

    So we know you’re not about virginity, fertility or childbirth. So slinging arrows is what’s left, am I right?

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  380. on June 28, 2009 at 2:22 pm Eddy Elfenbein

    I’m surprised you didn’t comment on the fact that Billie Jean is about disputed paternity. The song couldn’t make sense today with the advent of DNA testing.

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  381. aoefe

    @firepower

    …When I have to explain my jokes I’m truly missing the mark.

    thats one criteria i insist upon when selecting women is they comprehend my quick wit and acerbic humor. most have to be college educated. I never explan mine

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  382. Emme-

    I don’t need a caveman who’s pissed women are smart, have good jobs, and live longer; someone who hates that we have the sexual power AND that we are breaking out of our gender roles and controling the world…

    Women only have sexual power to the extent men allow them to have it. Men have the real power. Of physical coercion. Of military force. And even of inventiveness.

    Through most of history women haven’t chosen their sexual partners, society, ruled most of all by men, have. Most marriages were arranged to at least a considerable extent. Women might have some choice but within a narrow range, or no choice at all. What choice they did have could often be vetoed by their families, lead by their father, or sometimes by others. Older women were fully allied with men in this social choosing.

    This is true not just of agricultural societies and after but of most tribes as well. Female choice was considerably constrained. It’s really back in primate times that mates were not chosen heavily according to social and family/tribal forces, by rather by pure female attraction and lust.

    As well the reason women have been free from rape to the extent they have is because men have severely punished rape in most circumstances. In circumstances where they haven’t much, such as often when armies or mongol hordes or viking raiders have overrun a village or a city, rape has often been widespread and women have been utterly powerless to stop it.

    As for your notions of learning how to shoot a gun as well as any man. Haaaa. Steel nerves is what it really takes to shoot a gun well in a combat situation, and women are piss poor at having them. (So are a lot of men it’s true, but those bell curves ain’t anywhere near close.) Ask anyone who’s not an officer on the record worried about political reaction in our armed forces, or the Israeli armed forces or any armed forces and they’ll tell you that the average woman soldier is terrible at actual combat pointed spear roles (as opposed to some support roles) compared to the average male soldier.

    Hey all of recorded history is the way it’s recorded for a reason. It’s not some fluke. Morally disapproving of prior “neanderthals” is no answer.

    In it, all of recorded history and the anthropological record as well, men rule, and women follow.

    It’s only when men with Marxist equalist notions allow legislation to be passed often requiring and certainly always allowing (with the media and action groups cheer leading) affirmative action for women in a host of ways all over the place, and allowing women to clean up on divorce theft from men in no fault divorces, and which criminalized a man exerting physical dominance in a straightforward simple way (as rare backup) by striking his wife or girlfriend, or making sexual remarks in the workplace, and so on, that women emerge from a clearly following, important but following, status as compared to men.

    It doesn’t naturally occur. It requires a heavy ideological hand on the scales to make happen.

    It’s highly artificial and an artifact of Marxist derived equalist in outcome moral imperatives. I reject those moral imperatives.

    Men and women are not naturally equal. Women are naturally followers of men. Close followers, and followers of a man well matched for her, not just any or every man, but there you have it nonetheless. Followers of men rather than being fully naturally equal in leadership, force or power. Equal in overall value though, and in human dignity, for sure.

    As well many women have huge abilities which it would be a shame to waste by not allowing them to become wonderful doctors and so on.

    Such female followership, rather than complete and full equality with men, was and is the case with tribal man. Such was the case with agricultural states and the normadic horsemen and norsemen that often conquered them. Such was the case with industrial age man, and information age man.

    It’s an indulgence of modern men in the modern west, especially the Anglosphere, to have allowed feminism so much scope and through it’s influence in the media, to have gotten so much feminism favorable legislation passed.

    It’s time to start reversing this unnatural feminist aberration, that has zero to do with the prosperity and inventiveness of American society, or European society or Japanese society, but rather rides on that back, and was made possible because of it, while sapping the male inventiveness that was the true cause of that technology and prosperity.

    rampantly discriminating in favor of girls in schools by rules of comportment that pussify men and make poor allowances for their higher energy levels and jumpiness (called ADD these days often enough)

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  383. @firepower

    touche! 🙂

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  384. I’m thinking that Emme is a fat lesbian who is secretly craving the cock. But the cock shuns fat lesbians, thus her hostility.

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  385. Billie Jean lyrics apropos our discussions here:

    For fourty days and fourty nights
    The law was on her side
    But who can stand when she’s in demand
    Her schemes and plas

    And is her name “Billie Jean” just a coincidence, or an allusion to then-recent Billie Jean King feminist moment?

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  386. @aeofe- nice, well done.

    @emme- please disappear already. you disagree with everyone here- why show up then? why post comments? unless you enjoy the attention. go back to feministing and lick some twat over there, please.

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  387. @maurice

    Thanks!

    @emme

    Maurice is right, you must have a purpose in being here what is yours? I’m genuinely curious.

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  388. Emme–

    You keep using the word “fat” which is an obvious obessesion with size…which leads me to believe you have small penises

    That’s an absurd feminist nonsequiteur to beat all.

    Leads you and your ilk only, to pretend to believe, to get what you hope to be a devastating referrence to penis size in as often as possible and certainly any time a feminist herridan is ridiculed for her typically unappealing appearance.

    Well since you’re so interested, on average alpha males probably do have bigger cocks than betas and lower betas, since both are partly testosterone related, and alpha males certainly find fat women at least as unappealing as beta males do.

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  389. No, I really don’t adore attention from people I don’t like–especially men. I’ve interjected b/c I’m still in shock that there are men who want to actually reverse progress, and who think another human being should be second to them.

    This is rooted in deep fear and insecurity and nothing else. You already fear you have nothing to offer, and the progress of women just confirms that. Weak.

    Artemis is the protector of women and children, goddess of nature. She wanted to always remain a virgin as a sign of her independence from men…AND she could hunt better than any of them (thus the death of Orion). Men wanted her but could never have her. THAT’S power. knowing you have something that others want and keeping it.

    I’m out of here, guys. Off to Sunday brunch with friends. Hope you finally get lucky. One day.

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  390. aeofe

    So we know you’re not about virginity, fertility or childbirth. So slinging arrows is what’s left, am I right?

    LoL!

    Love it.

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  391. Doug:

    At least you’re honest. Props.

    Aoefe:

    As I said before, I’m astounded. I can’t believe there are men who subscribe to this theory.

    And honestly, it does scare me a little b/c I feel you are advocating violence against women. So the fear I feel when I’m walking alone somewhere is real…I try to tell myself people are inherently good, but the nagging fear I feel is, apparently, real.

    I don’t understand that. Maybe this is b/c I am a woman, but it’s not a defect–it is evolved and better. I don’t understand how a man could be aroused enough to FORCE a woman to have sex. Where is the pleasure? Hurting someone, scaring them, damaging them… I don’t understand it, and I feel like it’s being worn as a banner on this blog.

    As a woman, it’s of great concern.

    Peace.

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  392. @Emme:

    I think only one man on here has advocated raping women (Arpagus). Obsidian stated that the sex must be consensual and with a girl of legal age when talking to Arpagus. I don’t think anyone on here really advocates rape.

    >.>’

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  393. 2009: “I’m astounded. I can’t believe there are men who subscribe to this theory. ”

    1972: “”How could McGovern lose? Everyone I know voted for him.”

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  394. doug1 –

    “It’s only when men with Marxist equalist notions allow legislation to be passed often requiring and certainly always allowing (with the media and action groups cheer leading) affirmative action for women in a host of ways all over the place”

    You are a very confused person, a typical product of this generation’s crop of deluded “libertarian capitalist” white males.

    Marxists, socialists, social democrats and allied groups are first and foremost *economic* egalitarians, not supporters of revolutionary gender politics. Marxists and socialists support gender equality in theory, but do not contemplate the total erasure of natural gender roles — that’s something that’s just not in their purview.

    It was only after Anglo-Saxon capitalism and conservative “libertarianism” fused in the 20th century, resulting in “Turbo Capitalism” which became the driving force in much of American politics, that we have seen the rise of the politics of gender-role obliteration. This is no coincidence, because it is actually in the interests of the economic libertarian ruling class, for there to be no differential between the sexes.

    When women are considered simply “guys” with boobs, they can be exploited and paid less for jobs which the formerly male family breadwinners held. Women are paid less than men, but it’s by the design of the anarcho-capitalists, not Marxists, who almost don’t exist as any real force in the USA.

    Under the anarcho-capitalist libertarians’ economic blueprint, more and more of the educated workforce will be female, with fewer and fewer young females consequently seeing the human value of being mothers. The social fabric will fray further, as women abandon this role more and more for careers.

    On the other hand, Turbo Capitalism wants men to self-obsessed consumers, just like the “working women” they have created and brainwashed, hence the metrosexual.

    So while not actually promoting a female-dominated society, Anglo-Saxon Turbo Capitalism is pushing us inexorably in that direction. The result of what they are doing is a “modern” society in which women and men are regarded as essentially the same, and biological, psychological, and sexual differences are papered over.

    In such a milieu, if they keep pressing those trends for economic profit, what you will essentially have is a society in which men are constantly being disempowered, and women are constantly being empowered, contrary to biological realities.

    The single biggest failure of the moronic “angry white male” movement which has sprung up in America, and which thrives on this blog, is to attribute these changes to unseen “Marxists” and other evil “leftists”.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is right under your noses. The truth is that it is your own self-satisfied “libertarian capitalist” movement which is the driving force upending gender roles, destroying the biological male-female dichotomy, and creating the social turmoil that will inevitably do us in as a society within the next 10-15 years, in which I predict we will fall first economically, and then politically, to the oldest continuous civilization in the world, China.

    And that, my friends, will probably be a *good* thing for the world.

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  395. I don’t know what I detest more: that which Joe describes as Turbo Capitalism, or the leftist social engineering of his beloved Democratic Party.

    As far as Chinese civilization goes: may they live long and prosper. But fuck them and their forced abortions and antheap-like collectiveness.

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  396. @emme

    “As I said before, I’m astounded. I can’t believe there are men who subscribe to this theory.”

    If you’re referring to rape that’s not the general consensus here. As I’ve mentioned in an earlier post you should read here a bit and see what’s going on before commenting.

    I don’t advocate for violence. I believe rape is an act of anger and not sexual in nature.

    I believe women , who are heterosexual, at their core want a man who will lead them. We, women, are or should be nurturers and for some reason this has a bad rap in today’s society. It’s demeaning to say outloud that you want to take care of children AND your man.

    The men here are either learning or teaching other men how to be ahead of the pack when it comes to securing women. They discuss evolutionary psychology, history, politics and many other subjects. I have weaker critical thinking skills than most here and one reason I’m here is to bone up (no pun intended). My weaker skills I owe to the fact I’m a woman and more able to think emotionally than rationally. That doesn’t make me less than it makes me different.

    Try approacing your ideas more logically and you may have a better audience for your concerns. I think underneath your prickliness you’re trying to understand what’s happening here, and that’s a good thing.

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  397. PA –

    Russia lived 60 years under the most extreme “leftist social engineering” policies the world has ever seen, and plus had its male population decimated in WWII, resulting in a matriarchy-by-default… but it is still a country where the views of traditional gender roles are very much intact, and in fact are jeaolusly guarded by both sexes.

    I don’t discount the vapidity of PC in the Democratic Party, but my contention is that this is the proverbial red herring, because at the end of the day, all that PC carping by my fellow Democrats has about as much of a real effect as a few grains of salt dropped into the Pacific Ocean.

    OTOH, the very real “economic libertarian” policies espoused by so-called American “conservatives” (actually far different ideologically from traditional European conservatism) — this has a huge impact. While they don’t tumpet per se that they are seeking gender role obliteration and an asexual society, this is what they are have been producing at lightning speed for the past 40 years.

    In order for you to see reality, you have to remove the speck of liberal “PC” from your eyes, which obscures your vision of reality as if it were a giant boulder. You have to first understand that human perception is susceptible to perceptual tricks. You have to acknowledge that as perhaps the paramount perceptual trick of our time, deluding MILLIONS. Go against your knee-jerk impulses, acknowledge the perceptual trick for what it is, and remove it… and you will see clearly.

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  398. USA is up 2-0 just before the half – gig is weeping into his caipirinha.

    @JoeT – doug is right and you are wrong – see: Soviet Russia in the 20s, in which militant feminism and gender equality was an ideological imperative.

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  399. Ah, Joe T, showing the power of fundamentalism

    “Women are paid less than men, but it’s by the design of the anarcho-capitalists”

    Women are paid less because they work fewer hours, take more time off and retire earlier.

    I was going to offer a larger rebuttal, but it would be futile since I’ve never met a Marxist capable of rational thought, only mindless invective.

    Instead, to all roissy readers, here is an interesting article from 1926 on the effort in the Soviet Union to obliterate marriage and the consequences which were seen. It has abortion mills and shitty acting bastards and all. It even has the typical “men are the abandoners of us poor females” bit. Reads like late 20th or early 21st century America, doesn’t it?

    Has a bit from Trotsky saying that “by giving more protection to women, would make for the benefit of the country’s children”.

    Feminism == Marxism

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  400. maurice –

    A few posters of square-jawed matrons in skirts wielding sickles, and a few female tractor drivers, does not a society of “militant feminism” make. There were a few very abortive moves to “eliminate” the family in favor of the collective, but that was much more rhetorical venting than actual policy, was only espoused by a few fringe (but vocal) apparatchiks, and never went anywhere.

    Marxism and socialism have *always* preach gender equality as matters of technical theory, but traditionally have been very hands-off with regard to things like reengineering gender roles.

    Remember in all those Soviet posters, the women were still wearing dresses, not the asexual pantsuits promoted by the modern American women’s movement which has thrived and prospered under Turbo Capitalism.

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  401. @cptnapalm:

    Haven’t there also been recent studies that show that women who work in the same professions as men make the same amount of money as them?

    Or maybe I’m wrong…

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  402. No, I really don’t adore attention from people I don’t like–especially men. I’ve interjected b/c I’m still in shock that there are men who want to actually reverse progress, and who think another human being should be second to them.

    Translation: I can’t believe it–men who refuse to be manipulated. The Rules! They’re ignoring The Rules!!!

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  403. Mandy! XD:
    You are not wrong. There are rather a few places where they make more money though not a great deal more. There are a few additional factors which one must keep in mind such as women are more likely to live in more expensive cities and the wages are correspondingly higher. So it is possible that they may make more money but actually have less.

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  404. Actually, what I meant about women making less money is that more women in the workforce drives DOWN wages for everyone, period. This is an ongoing phenomenon sice the 1960s, and has been actively promoted by Corprate America.

    Think of it this way. In 1960, the average job in public relations, or the average entry level number-crunching “business analyst” in a corporate job in Manhattan was occupied by a young male (sadly, almost always a *white* male, but that’s a different situation for a completely different rant).

    In that “Mad Men” milieu, the young white male incumbent in that job could support a wife and a new family on the wages he was paid, which were, though not stellar, emphatically able to satisfy that economic need.

    Fast forward 35 years, to 1995, after decades of Corporate America giving more and more of those jobs to lower-priced females, and you have a long-term economic effect of wage stagnation FOR EVERYONE, which, coincidentally, I guess, is exactly what Corporate America wanted!

    This wage stagnation (not to mention the gutting of benefits — health care, pensions, etc.) would have been impossible without the social transformations that resulted in women entering the workforce in droves.

    Don’t anyone tell me this was because of feminism, PC, and the carping of liberal Democrats… because in every case, those things only FOLLOWED the lead of Corporate America. Bottom line — if the wage stagnation engendered by a constant flood of women turning away from marriage/family, and toward careers, wasn’t highly profitable for our Corporate Masters, they would have never allowed it for a day!

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  405. Odd… thought I had put up the hyperlink:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/26jul/russianwoman.htm

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  406. JoeT —

    If that’s the case, then please explain Sweden, clearly the most feminist country on earth, and thoroughly controlled by socialism. Is Sweden also anarcho-capitalist?

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  407. nova, nova, nova…

    tsk tsk

    Don’t you know that Socialist governments are secretly controlled by the brain waves sent out from the International Capitalist conspiracy which meets in the Caribbean every year to practice their evil laughs while getting some two for one oppression in when they boink non-white girls?

    I hear that they are going to bring back mustache twirling next year.

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  408. novaseeker –

    The brand of feminism prevalent in Sweden is completely different than that which exists in the USA. It is a much less pernicious kind.

    What we have in America is an asexualizing society built on appying hypermasculine values to everyone — male and female. This results in hyperambitious females obsessed with competing with men. But what are they competing at? They are competing at selling themselves out — being perfect elements of the soulless, competitive capitalist machine.

    In Sweden, you have a society built on essentially female values, which I actually think is far superior to the US model. Sweden may be very feminist in orientation, but it is very beta-friendly.

    While in the US, what you have is the tactical alliance of feminists and alpha males, which freezes out and marginalizes beta males.

    Being essentially a beta (like about 80 of males), I don’t think I should have to tell you which society I would prefer.

    Also, a point which is actually not much cited on this blog, but which is significant, is that the USA has *by far* the highest divorce rate in the world — about 4.95 per thousand. The second highest is the UK, still significantly less than America’s, at about 3.8 per 1000.

    Sweden ranks around 3rd, but only half of the US rate, at about 2.5/1000.

    You actually have to look at the statistical groupings of the list of countries, and their divorce rates, to appreciate how the US ranks in a classy by itself.

    I am *not* equating a low divorce rate necessarily with policies and society that favors males, but it so happens that the countries with the *lowest* divorce rates are considered by social scientists to be the most patriarchal.

    I know Roissy rails against marriage, and he would probably say the men in countries with low divorce rates — Italy, Portugal, Brazil, etc. are “suckers” for staying married, or for being married in the first place.

    But what Roissy misses there is that those patriarchal countries with low divorce rates also acknowledge the value of the “pressure valve” of extramarital sex, affairs, mistresses, etc. in creating social stability and family stability. And those pressure release mechanisms are things that our prudish Anglo-Saxon society stubbornly will not acknowledge.

    So, America presents the absolute worst of all possible worlds for the beta male (80-85 percent of males, according to even Roissy’s numbers).

    American Turbo Capitalism endorses all of the following simultaneously:

    1) Militant feminism and the “empowered”, male-suspicious female

    2) Asexualism and the obliteration of traditional gender roles, passed off as “progress”

    3) Promotion of broadly pro-Alpha Male values, as an overall societal value system (which includes libertarian capitalism as the preferred method of economic organization)

    4) The marginalization, devaluation, and debasement of what are essentilly the broad masses of the male sex

    5) Female sexual “empowerment” and the pressure to form “female-led” relationships, either out of economic necessity, by default, or because of pressure from the prevailing propaganda line promulgated by the corporate media

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  409. Sorry – in the above post, I meant “beta like 80 PERCENT of males”

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  410. Hmmm.

    The situation in Scandinavia doesn’t seem benign at all to me.

    In this article (http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j41/what-ever-happened-to-the-vikings.asp?pf=1), American feminist Elizabeth Debold heavily critiques the impact of feminism in Denmark (which is not as far advanced as Sweden is) as being “patriarchy in drag”, suppressing all maleness and subordinating men to women.

    Another interesting blog post here (http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2009/06/abba-star-child-called-pop-and-bathing.html) about some recent news concerning the situation in Sweden confirms that things in Scandinavia have gone completely off the track.

    I highly doubt that any men — alpha, beta, or otherwise — would prefer the Scandinavian version of feminism, which you seem to see as more benign. Our own poster arpagus is from Norway. Maybe we should ask him how benign Scandinavian feminism feels from the male perspective?

    I take your point that feminism is different in different countries — that follows from the different political and social cultures in the countries involved. But Sweden and Scandinavia in general pretty much debunk the notion that socialism is relatively distinterested in feminism or gender politics.

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  411. now the U.S. is down 3-2…. oh well.. they didn’t play very well in the 2nd half…

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  412. maurice – I’m watching the match, too… looks like we have one thing in common, at least…

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  413. on June 28, 2009 at 4:24 pm Willard Libby

    David Alexander – “But yeah, at one point, when I was eleven, I wanted to be able to do my hair chonga style. I’m so glad I never tried.”

    Yes, had you done so, you may have developed a sexual look that would have attracted the alpha males of your school, leading you down a path of depravity and glorious addictive super orgasms that no beta male could replicate…

    This is the first I’ve heard of chonga style.

    Beyond hideous.

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  414. Is there any commenter (or reader not previously commenting) on this blog who supports affirmative action for women?

    Anyone, female or male?

    If so, why?

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  415. crap – we lost. was very likely anyway, but we won the first half, for what that’s worth…

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  416. Yay! America goes down!

    Brazil is one of the four BRIC countries, which will be the new power-brokers on the planet… Together with Europe, they have the power to discard the dollar as the international reserve currency, and marginalize the US.

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  417. I am a white straight male, and I support AA for blacks and Native Americans (the two most discriminated against and exploited racial groups in US history)… much more scaled-down AA for Latinos and Asians…. but no AA for women (unless they are minority women).

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  418. Hmmm.

    The situation in Scandinavia doesn’t seem benign at all to me.

    In an article in Enlightennext magazine, American feminist Elizabeth Debold heavily critiques the impact of feminism in Denmark (which is not as far advanced as Sweden is) as being “patriarchy in drag”, suppressing all maleness and subordinating men to women.

    Another interesting blog post here at the ozconservative blogspot about some recent news concerning the situation in Sweden confirms that things in Scandinavia have gone completely off the track.

    I highly doubt that any men — alpha, beta, or otherwise — would prefer the Scandinavian version of feminism, which you seem to see as more benign. Our own poster arpagus is from Norway. Maybe we should ask him how benign Scandinavian feminism feels from the male perspective?

    I take your point that feminism is different in different countries — that follows from the different political and social cultures in the countries involved. But Sweden and Scandinavia in general pretty much debunk the notion that socialism is relatively distinterested in feminism or gender politics.

    (I’ve reposed without links — hopefully the linked post will be out of moderation at some stage due to the links. You can google both articles fairly easily I think.)

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  419. in response to those shouting ‘i’m glad he’s dead’ ‘child abuser’ etc etc…

    to me, this shows everything that is wrong with society, not one of us will ever know the full facts of what did and didn’t happen regarding the abuse allegations, why is it that so many seem to find it preferable to believe, the nasty, horrible & evil over the genuine, loving & caring? like i said, we will never know all the facts, so why choose the negative over the positive? we can all have thoughts and feelings regarding this, but to spew hate speaks volumes of the person…..

    R.I.P MJ

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  420. Joe T.

    But what Roissy misses there is that those patriarchal countries with low divorce rates also acknowledge the value of the “pressure valve” of extramarital sex, affairs, mistresses, etc. in creating social stability and family stability. And those pressure release mechanisms are things that our prudish Anglo-Saxon society stubbornly will not acknowledge.

    Although you’re of course right about the sharply different attitudes towards extramarital sex particularly for men in Anglosphere versus other Euro societies, you’re wrong about the reasons.

    It is not primarily greater prudishness. For instance, in Victorian England it was widely assumed that many married men would need the release valve of extra marital relations, particularly with prostitutes where it was mostly winked about, but sometimes with others.

    Early feminism was all about two things most of all. First was getting women the vote, which they felt (rightly) would end up being of key importance it getting a lot of other rights for women. Second was greater rights in divorce, and social acceptance of the idea that male infidelity was absolutely grounds enough for not only a divorce, and one in which the woman made out handsomely if the man had any bucks. Feminism was lead by women whose men did by and large.

    American women in particular have always been militantly against male extra marital affairs as a women’s rights and dignity issue. This united women of a wide variety of political persuasions.

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  421. I kinda felt the US was gonna lose, Brazil has a great team. Luis Fabiano scored 2 goals for Brazil.

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  422. Joe T.

    Not just legally sufficient grounds for a divorce, but “thought to be morally more than justified by an outraged community and where applicable media solidly on her side” kind of grounds for a divorce. They had to work on that later to be felt in most quarters other than that of some grumbling worldly men’s corners, but had gotten it by WWII anyway.

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  423. on June 28, 2009 at 4:46 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Joe T.:

    Two of those four countries are the top two genocidal states in history when raw numbers are taken into consideration. I would not be so eager to have the planet in the hands of the Russians and the Red Chinese. If you take Rudolph Rummel as your marker, then the prospect of Russo-Chinese hegemony ought to fill your soul with dread.*

    Whether you like the United States or not, your life is probably safer in our hands than in the hands of Third World countries.

    * I wouldn’t exactly cheer the thought of a European super-state either, given that their rogues’ gallery includes, among others, King Leopold II of Belgium, the leaders of the former Yugoslav states and Maximilien Robespierre; the nations of Europe aren’t exactly amateurs at mass murder either.

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  424. @doug1:

    That’s the thing I don’t agree with. Extramarital affairs. That’s not right, and when you have an extramarital affair you’re not adhering to your vows. Adultery is a sin. If you’re going to cheat, don’t get married.

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  425. Emme, like every other feminist on the planet, seems to think that the most devastating response to any guy who challenges her is to say (in one form or another) “your problem is you cannot get laid!!!”
    Like that will overturn the notion that women despise betas or that social/sexual status is not paramount in womens world view.
    A few semi-articulate postings from the likes of emme do more to advance & confirm the roissy version of Gender Reality than any amount of long winded explications.

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  426. Joe T-

    Divorce rates can be misleading in a country like Sweden when you compare it to the population rather than to marriages. I.e., the marriage rate is a lot lower in Sweden. It’s quite a lot lower in Britain too.

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  427. Sweden and Scandinavia in general pretty much debunk the notion that socialism is relatively distinterested in feminism or gender politics.

    You don’t have a government Minister of Gender Equality if you’re not interested in feminism and gender politics. As I said elsewhere, the mere existence of such a minister should earn Sweden the “beta of the century” award.

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  428. Is there any commenter (or reader not previously commenting) on this blog who supports affirmative action for women?

    It aids in ensuring women have even greater opportunities to have good middle class white collar jobs which in turn means women don’t fake love toward beta males in golddigger fuelled marriages.

    If you are against golddiggers, then you must be against all marriage.

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  429. doug1

    I completely agree with you, especially your last paragraph. But I see the phenomenon you describe as originating, at least in part, in Anglo-Saxon prudishness. In other words, you had to first have the Anglo-Saxon substrate of prudishness, before the feminist “dignity” argument could take hold.

    I think this feminist “dignity” argument, and everything that flows from it — that the “personal is the political” — is the single most pernicious mindset that feminism has engendered, because it give feminists license to constrain what is a biological urge — the male libido — under the false banner of “gender equality”.

    Mind you, when I choose to be in a relationship, I tend to be very faithful. But I do not preach the moral fallacy that infidelity or cheating (whether in the context of marriage or a “committed” male-female relationship) is somehow a slap in the face to feminism, women’s rights, or women’s dignity.

    The core travesty of US society is that we preach that male infidelity is a universal affront to women’s soical equality, rather than what it really is, which is a response to a natural urge which can be either forbidden or forgiven by the individual woman.

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  430. on June 28, 2009 at 5:00 pm Willard Libby

    Rum – Emme, like every other feminist on the planet, seems to think that the most devastating response to any guy who challenges her is to say (in one form or another) “your problem is you cannot get laid!!!”

    The other female mind game is to say:

    – with that attitude you’ll never get laid when the attitude is one that doesn’t serve her female ego.

    As if mean spirited men don’t have sex with any attractive women.

    The fact is more often than not it’s the nice, wimpy guys who don’t threaten women who also aren’t getting laid.

    Men who are overtly hostile to women are more likely to have sex with women. Whether women want the sex or not and whether the women want to admit it or not.

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  431. “hat’s the thing I don’t agree with. Extramarital affairs. That’s not right, and when you have an extramarital affair you’re not adhering to your vows. Adultery is a sin. If you’re going to cheat, don’t get married.”

    @Mandy — I agree completely, for either male or female infidelity *and* for people who knowingly sleep with people who are married to someone else. All trashy in my opinion.

    “like every other feminist on the planet, seems to think that the most devastating response to any guy who challenges her is to say (in one form or another) “your problem is you cannot get laid!!!””

    @Tarl — Yes, it’s textbook shaming language. Other variants are “you have a small penis”, “you’re a bitter, divorced guy”, “you have mommy issues”, “when was the last time you had a date”, “whining is not manly”, and so on. Usually these come towards the end of the discussion, after logic and reason have defeated the arguments being advanced, as the trump card to shame men into shutting up and letting her win. In this particular case, there wasn’t even any discussion, but just an immediate jump to shaming language.

    It’s all rather predictable after a while. You could, pretty easily, script most “discussions” with feminist apologists and have a 85% or better accuracy rate.

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  432. Sorry that last one should have been @Rum.

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  433. @novaseeker:

    Exactly. I don’t think cheating is a blow to women’s dignity, I think it’s a slap in the face to the person you’re with. Because both men and women alike are capable of cheating.

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  434. JoeT, my view in a nutshell on both political parties is as follows: they are two sides of the same coin — a theatre for the masses while in bed with our real powers-that-be, which is the big media, the plutocrats, the banks, the NGos and so on. Butt — if there are outposts of decency in national politics, you’ll find them in the Republican Party.

    all that PC carping by my fellow Democrats has about as much of a real effect as a few grains of salt dropped into the Pacific Ocean.

    See, that’s where you are wrong. The Democratic Party has been the vehicle of leftist reengineering and obliteration of America, at least since FDR. By the time that arch-vampire Sen. Edward Kennedy (may his rotten traitor soul be carried off by flights of demons) camed to power and enacted the 1965 Immigration Act, the reptile that is the DNC had removed its human mask and shown the reptile underneath.

    Ever since I recall, the Democrats were not the nice guys with a few PC loonies at its fringes. They WERE the loonies. The only thing that kept them from wholesale destroying this country is the Redneck/Christian vote.

    The Republican Party often stood as a stone wall against the Democrats at key junctions. Like in 1994 in pushing back on the welfare state. Or in 2006, in stopping the Amnesty.

    OTOH, the very real “economic libertarian” policies espoused by so-called American “conservatives” (actually far different ideologically from traditional European conservatism) — this has a huge impact

    The Democrats are much more Turbo Capitalism libertarian than the Republicans. The difference is the scope of their ambitions. Traditionally, the Reps wanted to keep libertarianism at home, for better or worse. The Dems had set their sights on the whole world.

    But I gota give you credit for one thing: you are the only radical anti-whie leftist who is respectful and polite in arguments.

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  435. Yes, but the difference between Sweden and the US is that in Sweden, the Minister of Gender Equality ensures things like all fathers as well as mothers are eligible for a year of of paid leave when a baby is born, or whatever.

    This is “feminist” because it provides care for the vulnerable (a newborn infant) and because it maximizes that care by entitling men to partake in it as well as women.

    In the US, we no Minister of Gender Equality, but we have private sector lobbyists pumping millions into the coffers of business-pandering politicians who vote for laws that have the unintended consquences of tearing the traditional family apart, making it impossible for mothers to stay home to care for the children, and by default, creating a hypercompetitive, money-grabbing culture in which Alpha Male values are relentlessly held up as exemplary for everyone, including young women of child-bearing age.

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  436. “ensures things like all fathers as well as mothers are eligible for a year of of paid leave when a baby is born, or whatever.”

    @Joe T. —

    I thought that in Sweden the law is that the father must take 8 weeks, the mother must take 8 weeks, and the remaining 9 months are to be split as mother and father agree.

    I think the intention of this was to equalize the impact of childbirth on both male and female careers, so that women will be less impacted by child birth than if paternity leave was not mandatory. It’s social engineering, again — prohibiting couples from choosing what kind of arrangement they want, on the margins, by mandating a lot of paternity leave, by law, regardless of how the couple wants to run its own family. It’s extremely intrusive and disrespectful to couples.

    I would be very surprised if this kind of legislation is not proposed by American feminists soon — it’s certainly being discussed in feminist circles here.

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  437. Well, I think paternity leave should be offered, but I don’t think it should be mandated.

    Same for maternity leave.

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  438. doug1

    The marriage rate is a lot lower in Sweden than in the US, but I’m sure you’ll appreciate that of those who actually do tie the knot, proportionately more marriages survive, by a factor of at least 2.

    Every aspect of American society is sold, marketed, and orchestrated to be maximized as a profit center. Thus, marriage is oversold by making people feel insecure and undesirable if they’re not hitched by 35…

    But once couples actually do get married, screw marriage, because Corporate America cannot sell the couple another $100,000 McMarriage like they get a new SUV every 2 years — now you have to be an *individual*, and be self-actualized, and “find yourself” otherwise you’re… insecure and undesirable… so Corporate America can sell you more and more shit.

    So, now — be self-actualized, be selfish, be a REAL PERSON — consume more shit for YOURSELF, because you and only you deserve it!! Get DIVORCED!!!

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  439. @Joe T:

    I think this is what you might be talking about.

    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LegalCenter/story?id=3147979&page=1

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  440. novaseeker —

    I think you’re right about Sweden, I was just constructing an example of the way things are there in general.

    In Sweden, the government is all about cooking up ideas to EXPAND social benefits, give you MORE TIME OFF, pay people stipends for their paid vacations (yeah, stipends — spending money to make sure you have a good time!)

    In the US, the government, following the diktat of our Corporate Masters, is all about cooking up ideas to CONSTRICT and CONTRACT your social benefits — cut them, remove them, eliminate them, so the corporate bottom line can expand to infinity.

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  441. Whiskey Joe, don’t get me started.
    Yes Joe, don’t get Whiskey started.

    Aoefe @doug I
    Missed you.

    doug1 to
    aoefe–
    Thank you, you beautiful sexy thing you!
    Been busy, in several different ways.

    Aoefe is a man stealer. I should have known. Of all the men you could have ,why my Default and bhetti’s ,doug1? There are so many single men around this place. Why not flirt with lurker, Chuck or Tupac?

    @firepower-buddy I’ve lost interest in you. Furthermore, your jokes aren’t funny. The hit the floor with thud faster than your girlfriend’s boobs when she takes off her bra.

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  442. I don’t know what I detest more: that which Joe describes as Turbo Capitalism, or the leftist social engineering of his beloved Democratic Party.

    I like both as they’re representative of the superiority of white people vis à vis the other races of the world.

    When women are considered simply “guys” with boobs

    The secret dream of beta males. Male friends that you can have sex with and not be bothered with that relationship or support garbage.

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  443. I think that the divorce rate here is high because the culture here both values marriage more than in other Western countries (meaning more people marry) *and* views marriage rather differently than in many Western countries as well — as being primarily about personal happiness and fulfillment, rather than being a partnership centered around children and financial stability and growth.

    In northern and most of western Europe, many/most people have long term cohabitation relationships. The ones who marry are typically quite well suited for each other and have been cohabiting for a long time. But there are many cohabitation relationships that do not work, as well. In the US both the cohabiting and marital relationships, based on the stats I have seen, are less stable than in Europe. We could change that by tinkering with family law a bit (most continental european countries have a family law that is very different from the anglosphere).

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  444. give you MORE TIME OFF

    I’d kill for those 5 week European vacations, but it’s nearly impossible to negotiate that in the private sector which leaves the government as the only place where one can have remotely consider vacations. Even right now, as a part-timer, it’s like extracting teeth to get a few days off to go anywhere, and you have to beg to get a day off…

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  445. novaseeker –

    You’re actually right that the Swedish parental leave law is intrusive, by mandating 8 weeks for the father, rather than making it voluntary.

    However, I’d rather have the Swedish system, where there is in fact paid parental leave of any kind, than the US system, where there is absolutely none.

    An ideal system would be paid maternal leave only — or better yet, a socialist system that would ensure there are enough good paying jobs for all males and all females who choose to be childless.

    However, if I have to choose between Sweden’s idealistic, intrusive feminist nanny statism, or our own anarcho-capitalism which says “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin'” to everyone who’s not part of the corporate ruling class — I’ll take Sweden’s system.

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  446. @whiskey:

    “You stated that women don’t “need” men … they do even if they don’t sleep with them, since women are manifestly incapable of providing the manpower for math, science, and technology. Consider this: one day you or perhaps your child will NEED math and science for life-saving medical treatment. Women are incapable of providing it much less keeping the electricity and water flowing into a hospital.”

    This is starting to change; growing numbers of girls are actually majoring in engineering and the sciences every year.

    They’re just fields that are taking longer for girls to populate.

    I know sciences like biology and chemistry are becoming more and more female dominated. Engineering sciences like biomed engineering are becoming more balanced also.

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  447. “However, if I have to choose between Sweden’s idealistic, intrusive feminist nanny statism, or our own anarcho-capitalism which says “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin’” to everyone who’s not part of the corporate ruling class — I’ll take Sweden’s system.”

    @Joe T. —

    That’s fair enough, Joe, but it just means that you are more socialist leaning than anything else. Basically you’re saying “I like socialism more than capitalism, so I would prefer to live in a feminist socialist state rather than a feminist capitalist one”.

    That’s fine, as we all have our preferences, but that’s not what you were saying above, which was basically that socialism was indifferent to gender-based social engineering — that’s my main point.

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  448. Emme —

    Re men and the vote.

    1. Wyoming and New Zealand both gave women the vote in 1869, and both were ELECTING women in the 1870’s. Wyoming refused to join the union in 1890 if it meant their women lost the franchise.

    Lesson: Women GAIN from men when men have skin in the game. Both places being frontier places wanted women, to marry, and so gave them a better “deal” to get them there.

    2. If you want men broadly, deeply, invested in women, they better be mostly married, or have a good chance at marrying, a woman they don’t share with other men. A man with a wife and a daughter will fight to the death for them. A man who’s the despised “beta male” by “heartless bitches” will let them get shot by a Cho at VT.

    It’s as simple as that. No skin in the game, men just don’t CARE. Period.

    3. Women are not “beautiful” or “goddesses” (superstitious post-Christian voodoo crap). Women are female humans, primates, and driven by extreme stupidity, much like men are. It’s often different, female-oriented stupidity. But stupidity nevertheless. If you are honest you’d admit 90% of women are astonishingly stupid, vain, shallow, superstitious, easily fooled, think with their genitals, herd-like, and frankly, not very smart. Much the same can be said about men, but women just are not any better.

    4. Worshipping yourself in the mirror is generally a bad idea, as is hating your image David Alexander style (on the internet at least, I suspect in real life he’s not that way).

    5. In the current market, most men will NOT be attached to a woman and certainly not at an age where lasting bonds will form. So you better be prepared for indifference mixed with low-level hostility towards yourself and most women and prepare accordingly.

    6. Whites make up 65-75% of the population (varies according to Mexican immigration). White men are approximately half that number, at 32.5% to 37.5%. Blacks are 12.5% of the population, Asians about 2-3%, Gays at around 2-5%, and Hispanics are about 15-25% depending on fluctuating immigration, by citizenry, around 15% or so. Simple math says that White Men plus Married Women = absolute majority. So the temporary coalition of Women, Gays, Hispanics, Blacks, against White Men can be fractured, and the various members “punished.” Married women for example would be happy to vote themselves a whopping great tax break for themselves and hubby, kids, at single women’s expense. If they have kids, penalize single motherhood to give their sons and daughters a leg up over your single mom’s kids.

    Anti-White Male strategies fill the need to “hate” Joe Average White guy who hits on you, and competes with you on the job, but it’s a loser electorally in the long run and guarantees retaliation against single women long term. [Your married sisters will sell you out in a heartbeat.]

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  449. novaseeker – good observations on European cohabitation relationships.

    The long-term cohabitation relationships of my European friends — usually with children, but as often unmarried as married — are in general much more stable than what I see in the US.

    Life in general for European families is vastly more stable, and less stressful, than in the US. Europe is not some idyllic South Pacific paradise, but most Americans have no concept of how much life there differs from life in the States.

    Read the following to get an idea about it…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html

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  450. @whiskey:

    “A man with a wife and a daughter will fight to the death for them.”

    So, so true.

    “A man who’s the despised “beta male” by “heartless bitches” will let them get shot by a Cho at VT.”
    That was so messed up.

    But on the topic of VT, wasn’t there a professor who sacrificed his life for his students? Those kinds of stories are tearjerking, hearstring-pulling evidence that there are amazing people out there.

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  451. Smarty — Brilliant insight on the lack of male role models and Obama making us all “pay.” Too true. No accident as they say that the guy sought out the “angriest” and most racist role models — Farrakhan and Wright.

    I like Emme posting here. I hope she continues. Most women think this way, it’s common on ANY female dominated forum, and certainly opened my eyes to female stupidity in a whole new light. Go to TMZ, or Dlisted, or Televisionwithoutpity, or any of those female-oriented places and you’ll find the same idiocies. This is what most women are like — worshipping idealized versions of their own egos as their own gods. It’s pathetic really.

    That she’s a fat chick also clicks. Really hot, smoking chicks are often frustrated and nicer, because they want to date up but often only get D-bags who are not what they want, because of approach fear and writing off. I’ve seen guys who are not in their league, nail them by Alpha-ing up for a while. Hell I’ve even BEEN that. For a month or two. This is why the 3-4-5-6’s are often a waste of time. They’re even more entitled and obnoxious than the ten’s.

    Joe T — Emme’s error is that she thinks moralizing or “oughts” will work like her disapproving glare at a beta in a bar trying to pick her fat ass up. Violence in humans (supercharged emotionally/sexually/intellectually primates) is only suppressed by SYSTEMS that create control down at the local level by habit and self-interest. That’s why most of Western Culture features “how-to” stories about being a hero for Men, from the Iliad, Odyssey, to Beowulf and Superman.

    Doug — Firearms instructors often note that women make excellent students and shots. Mostly due to gender differences, lower production of adreneline which destroys fine motor control and sight. However female stupidity is evident in that gun ownership makes women the potential equal to any attacker, and women want to ban them (because it hurts beta males who can then fight off more powerful, dominant men). Women will cut their own throats every time in pursuit of Alpha men.

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  452. Novaseeker; Joe T.

    What do either of you know about the percentage size of European child support payments when legally ordered, compared to us ones? Or the circumstances under which they are ordered. (E.g. slut get’s knocked up in a one night stand.)

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  453. @ Joe T. — Yep, I have lived in Europe quite a bit over the years. I prefer America, but that’s me.

    @doug1 — Child support payments are, on the continent, much lower than in the Anglosphere. They resemble what used to be “child support” in the US before the CS amounts were upped in the 1980s to replace the decline of alimony which happened as a result of women entering the work force. It varies by country, but in many European countries, alimony is also much rarer.

    Another thing is that in much of continental western europe, pre-nuptial agreements are ubiquitous and completely enforceable. I was talking to a colleague of mine from Belgium (who lives in Germany) about this a few months ago when we were together for some meetings in Dubai. He smiled at me and said “I know American women get all crazy about these agreements, but they are perfectly common and normal in Europe, because we also know that marriage is a business and financial arrangement as well as a romantic involvement” (paraphrasing). He was describing to me how he needed to revise his “marriage contract” (what they are called) to reflect his recent promotion and so on.

    So the approach to marriage, in general, is much less Disney.

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  454. Whiskey–

    Doug — Firearms instructors often note that women make excellent students and shots.

    Firearms instructors often wish to expand their book of business and attract the females in non money making ways as well, and there’s essentially no downside to them in making such noises.

    Regardless, what I said about women and guns is that what using them in a combat or other life threatening situation depends on by far the most is sang froid and/or a killer instinct, which women are very bad at when under extreme life threatening pressure.

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  455. doug1

    I don’t think the doctrine of child support and the laws are fundamentally different in Europe.

    I think what is fundamentally different is that, in the US, if a father isn’t paying child support, the kid might end up getting next to nothing from other sources. The kid’s mom is probably working 2 or 3 low-wage jobs and there’s nothing coming in from the state. Plus no health care.

    In the US, child support and the meager wages earned by the mother, who’s forced to work or might get a pittance on welfare if she applies — amounts to so little, that tenuous monthly child support payments are vastly more important in the mix, and can mean the difference between a kid starving or not.

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  456. Joe T and PA —

    You are both sort of right. IMHO the problem is that women are hard-wired to be hypergamous, want men who are higher in status and power than themselves. Society worked as long as women had restrictions in the marketplace, the need for workers in the post-WWII boom eroded that, and women gradually gained economic parity.

    Women now make up the majority of the workforce, with men having 82% of the layoffs. Women now earn equal or more than men, according the Bureau of Labor Statistics. [I’ll have a post up on this soon, the amount of female domination in the workplace is astonishing.]

    ALL politics and cultural struggles stem from these two facts:

    1. Women are the equal of men status wise.
    2. Women hate and despise men who are their equals. [See Emme.]

    As for the parties, Dems ARE the party of Women+Blacks+Gays+Hispanics AGAINST STRAIGHT WHITE MEN. There is no getting around it. Hatred of and screwing over the Straight White Man is the entire basis for that coalition. Reps are the party of MEN, or really Straight White Men. Gallup has a new set of gender-gap PDF white papers on this, I’ll have that in my post hopefully today some time. But the gender gap in voting Rep-Dem is clear, as is Lib-Conservative, and so on. It extends throughout ages 18-80 for women and men.

    This is why, btw, despite my love of “classical” Black culture with it’s staggering achievements (and heartbreaking loss, like the sinking of Atlantis within living memory), Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, and Women are my class/political enemy. I know they will screw me over as a Straight White Man in every way possible. It’s nothing personal. I’m just a Straight White Guy. I am there enemy, always will be, nothing I or they can do about it. Like Lions and Hyenas on the African Veldt. There’s a limited amount of dollar amounts for Government spending, even with Obama running the printing presses non-stop. The enemy will screw me over and make sure I get nothing, and my goal is to politically and culturally, return the favor.

    Mandy — True about more women in bioscience. But almost none in the “hard” sciences or engineering. The professors who actually DID something was the 79 year old Holocaust survivor who blocked the door with his body, and the late forties National Guard prof who locked his guests in his office and went alone unarmed to confront Cho. NONE of the healthy, able, young 20-something men did a damn thing.

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  457. novaseeker –

    I was born in Europe and have lived in 2 countries there. My girlfriend is from Scandinavia.

    What do you prefer about the US lifestyle to Europe, and if I may ask, where did you live in Europe?

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  458. because we also know that marriage is a business and financial arrangement as well as a romantic involvement

    The question one should ask is why do Europeans have such a jaundiced view of marriages compared to Americans?

    Child support payments are, on the continent, much lower than in the Anglosphere.

    I suspect that the generous social welfare state in Europe ensures that child support payments are lower in general.

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  459. NONE of the healthy, able, young 20-something men did a damn thing.

    That’s because fighting a guy with a semi-automatic weapon is a one-way ticket to death. At that point, self-preservation is key lest I want a sad family at home mourning my loss.

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  460. on June 28, 2009 at 6:56 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Mandy:

    There was; his name was Doctor Liviu Librescu. He was an Israeli Jew of Romanian origin, a professor of engineering and survivor of the National Socialist extermination program. According to the accounts of survivors, Dr. Librescu held a door shut on the gunman, who responded by shooting him five times.

    Escaping Hitler’s legions only to die at the hand of a mental defective is insulting. I would easily trade many of the gunmen for one Doctor Librescu.

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  461. The Swedish-style maternity/paternity leave is intended as a weapon against small businesses, who can’t afford to hire people and pay them for 8 weeks of not working.

    The establishment likes large corporations better. Easier to tax-farm.

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  462. novaseeker–

    I thought that in Sweden the law is that the father must take 8 weeks, the mother must take 8 weeks, and the remaining 9 months are to be split as mother and father agree.

    This would literally enrage me if applied to me.

    I’d do everything imaginable to skirt it.

    As in I’d work from home or do other work or change employers if they were uncooperative and not tell the new ones and so on.

    I also WILL NOT be the primary caretaker to an infant, except if bio, and only bio, mine and it’s the most extreme kind of wildly improbable life or death situation. She will be or we’ll hire someone. Period.

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  463. < That’s because fighting a guy with a semi-automatic weapon is a one-way ticket to death.

    And yet, if he were firing in the direction of your mom, your niece, and possibly Non-Date, you’d probably have thrown yourself into his line of fire.

    The gunman can miss, wound you non-lethally, or his weapon can jam. And your lunge would have been enough to give your women a chance to survive, which they wouldn;t have had if you tried to save only yourself.

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  464. The Swedish-style maternity/paternity leave is intended as a weapon against small businesses, who can’t afford to hire people and pay them for 8 weeks of not working.

    IIRC, I thought that was paid for via their social security programme, not from the employer.

    I’d do everything imaginable to skirt it.

    That’s eight weeks that I can spend with my wife and kids being a good father. 🙂

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  465. whiskey –

    Correction, the GOP is the party of Alpha males, who are like 15% of the male population.

    Lots of beta white males support the Republican Party because they aspire to be Alpha-like, or have Alpha fantasies.

    But in fact, GOP policies are inimical to beta white males, because they promote the sort of cutthroat capitalism that tears the social fabric to shreds, driving more women to Alphas.

    Betas need a society with a strong social fabric, so they can fulfill their natural roles as “nice guy” husbands and fathers.

    They may support the Republican party or its policies, but for betas, to do so is magical thinking — deluded fantasizing about what they dream of being, rather than being realistic about what they are.

    Remember, betas are MOST males — about 80-85%.

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  466. @Virginia Gentleman:

    I know, I cried when I heard that story. As insulting as it may have been, at least it was honorable in that he saved lives. The VT massacres were incredibly frustrating; Cho killed so many talented, amazing people. Some of the students that died were seniors, ready to go on and do amazing things. And what was his answer? “OH I’M ANGRY AT THE WORLD AND CRAZY.”

    I don’t want to sound hateful towards people with mental illnesses, but when someone does this and kills himself without giving any real answer why…

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  467. And yet, if he were firing in the direction of your mom, your niece, and possibly Non-Date, you’d probably have thrown yourself into his line of fire.

    Of course. I have an emotional investment in my friends and family. If I died, at least the kids can see their future, my mom can take care of my brother, and my organs are healthy enough for donation.

    The gunman can miss, wound you non-lethally, or his weapon can jam. And your lunge would have been enough to give your women a chance to survive, which they wouldn;t have had if you tried to save only yourself.

    He could also shoot me at point blank range killing me instantly, and continue killing others in the process making my attempt at saving lives pointless.

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  468. If I were offered 8 weeks of paid paternity leave, I would be stupid to turn it down. The point is it’s *paid* leave.

    I still think it is primarily the biological role of the mother to care for an infant.

    But the government of Sweden saw fit to dole out its largesse in equal portions to men and women.

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  469. That’s because fighting a guy with a semi-automatic weapon is a one-way ticket to death. At that point, self-preservation is key lest I want a sad family at home mourning my loss.

    As opposed to standing there, waiting for said gunman to shoot you?

    The best survival strategy in such a situation is to attack en masse, thereby forcing the gunman to deal with multiple targets, and shifting the numbers vs. firepower ratio in your favor. We saw that graphically demonstrated with the Shoe Bomber.

    Incidentally, the professor mentioned–Liviu Librescu–was a Holocaust survivor, and understood only too well the price of not doing anything.

    @Whiskey: a better demonstration of the “beta abandonment” you mention would be Montreal’s École Polytechnique Massacre of 1989.

    http://archives.cbc.ca/society/crime_justice/topics/398/

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  470. I don’t recall what Cho was firing. But handguns are notoriously innacurate due to their sort barrels, and their rounds won’t stop a lunging man full of adrenalne unless they hit his head, heart, or spine. Relatively small targets.

    This is why cops sometimes have to pump 30-40 rounds into a crazed asailant.

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  471. on June 28, 2009 at 7:21 pm Cannon's Canon

    whiskey:

    i can’t watch any tv now without examining the nuances that were written especially for women. thanks for spoiling that for me!

    the shield was one of my favorite shows, so my kneejerk reaction was defensive regarding its female audience. i suppose vic and shane have rather unnatural eternal adoration for the women in their lives. even the armenian money train heist was rationalized as feeding their families.

    dutchboy is a classic beta, as he shows up to his crush’s house with flowers while she’s getting banged out by a strike team “alpha” in the living room with the window open. however, this alpha (hiatt) is voted off the island by the female chief for essentially not being a good boyfriend. dutch does find romance with the single mother of vic’s bastard.

    in the finale, vic sells out his teammate and last friend, ronnie, instead opting to retire with his aged wife (who is played by the writer’s actual wife, ironically) and kids. was ronnie marginalized for not being a “family man”? was aceveda given his alpha push in season 7 to challenge vic’s standing as the show’s true silverback? any other key points i’m missing? (i’m sure there are many)

    my question for you is how cognizant are individual hollywood writers of all this? how many chefs have a hand in the pot? i started watching “southland” on nbc in my thirst for cop dramas and could not believe the about-face in episode 4, where the two male cops who were the main characters seemed to be written off in favor of the racially-motivated black female cop. on a major network, i understand the demand for such twists in vision. how small a scale must a writer employ to pull off an uncompromised ‘vision’ project?

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  472. my organs are healthy enough for donation

    Yours aren’t. Excessive masturbation rots the liver, poisons the kidneys, and makes hair grow on your retinas. 😉

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  473. “What do you prefer about the US lifestyle to Europe, and if I may ask, where did you live in Europe?”

    @Joe T. —

    More freedom, less state, less taxes, more diversity, more individualism. I lived in Germany (twice), Switzerland (once) and the UK, but I don’t count the UK.

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  474. “But the government of Sweden saw fit to dole out its largesse in equal portions to men and women.”

    But the idea was not to help men, but help women by forcing men to take paternity leave.

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  475. more diversity

    ??

    Europe is a hell of a lot more diverse. A few hours’ drive from any European city will expose you to a rich array of languages, religions, architectural styles, customs, etc.

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  476. Joe T.

    maurice – I’m watching the match, too… looks like we have one thing in common, at least…

    Maurice is definitely a moderate. Probably somewhat left of center in fact.

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  477. theblanque–

    The best survival strategy in such a situation is to attack en masse, thereby forcing the gunman to deal with multiple targets, and shifting the numbers vs. firepower ratio in your favor. We saw that graphically demonstrated with the Shoe Bomber.

    This is true.

    Requires a natural leader to ad hoc inspire and organize, however.

    I.e. either an already established alpha, or a higher beta ready to move up.

    In such a scenario there would likely be not more than one counter attacker killed, and more likely than not, none, though wounds.

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  478. “Europe is a hell of a lot more diverse. A few hours’ drive from any European city will expose you to a rich array of languages, religions, architectural styles, customs, etc.”

    Germany was NOT diverse. Germans and Turks. Sure, you can travel to another non-diverse place that is different. But each place in itself is not diverse.

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  479. Emme.

    I am curious as to what your age is. Idle curiosity, I like to figure out people’s ages based on their writing style and words.

    A few points, and I’ll confine it to this since, frankly, reading this thread is a bit of a bore.

    Re/Whiskey. You have missed his point in most of his replies, I sincerely believe that you a re not reading him with comprehension and truly understanding his points.

    The very fact that you asked such a question as asking him if he advocates rape (which he does not, god no, nor does anyone here.. except Arpagus. But he’s bitter and I suspect it’s mostly rhetoric in his case) shows that you haven’t understood him. he is describing an unpleasant reality, not saying that he advocates it or likes it. In fact if you took time to read most of his comments on this blog you’d notice and realize that protecting women and families is a priority of his.

    He is speaking of the broad scale social effects that are the inevitable consequences of what you advocate. What will occur in a social breakdown. Whether the probability of this breakdown is as dire as he claims (and I think he.. exaggerates into a worst case scenario) or not is irrelevant. IF the scenarios he sees comes to pass certain women will be entirely lacking in physical protection and others not.

    Have you ever lived or worked on the streets, hustled on the street or in rough parts of town? I am curious.

    Anyone who repeatedly needs to refer to the term “empowerment” in connection with themselves, and to publically advertise their degree of power, agency, and control, is in reality engaging in a form of auto-suggestion. In other words, they are hyping themselves up, to make them feel empowered, to make themselves feel dominant. This is an ego inflation and is mostly bluster. In much the same way that poodles and Chihuahua’s barks are louder than bigger dogs. Big dogs do not need to yelp.

    As for who cares about math, you wouldn’t be typing on a computer connected to the Internet if it were not for highly intelligent mathematicians. I certainly do understand, more than most people, that there are many types of intelligence, many types of cognition. There are types of emotive and social intelligences, physical intelligence since the body itself has an intricate neurology and memory.

    That said, if not for the practitioners of hard sciences that Whiskey describes, overwhelmingly male, you would not only not have the internet but a good deal of the technology that “empowers” you as a post-modern Western women.

    I think that you are being myopic, and if you sincerely look at yourself, your claims, and the way you expressed them, you would realize this is true. You are describing the world as you would like it to be, not truly as it is.

    And that is dangerous, the moment we cease to see the world as it truly is in its nuances is the moment we fall into delusion.

    The tragedy of bitter women hating misogynists and bitter man hating misandrists both, alike, is that they only see the worst aspect of the other, and the best aspect of themselves. This is a dangerous delusion, I leave people free to indulge in their delusions.

    But it is fair, and just, and a mark of my concern and compassion as a human being to point out when and where their delusions are potentially dangerous to themselves and mar result in unhappy conclusions in their later life.

    You know, as well as I know, that both men and women are necessary to the continuation of society and life. You know, as well as I know, that both men and women are two separate and complementary halves, and lacking one, or the other, humanity is incomplete. Your ideology may prevent you from publically admitting this. But you know it is true.

    And you know, as well as I, that women are no more the exclusive “suns” as you put it of society than men are. Both have complementary functions, and if one is made socially irrelevant the biological relevance remains, and in a state of general breakdown, brute strength is king. It is in women’s vested interests as well as men that the war of the sexes is resolved. Amicably. Because whilst you may prod at and poke fun at the size of men’s penises, and you may berate and insult the A.J. Travis’s of the world, if they have guns, and they have no vested interest in helping you, then you truly are fucked.

    And not in a good way.

    The battle of the sexes is artificially instigated, socially engineered, and will end in tragedy for both sexes unless people simply start saying no to it.

    I will leave you with those thoughts. If you doubt me then go hit the streets at 3am, on foot, without your cell phone. I don’t know which city you live in, but if you have an ounce of intellect (and you sound like you do have some brain cells upstairs) then you will understand this point.

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  480. But each place in itself is not diverse

    Well sure, Germany is German and Finland is Finnish (for now anyway). That’s the way it’s SUPPOSED to be.

    Mxing people into a soup kills diversity.

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  481. “Germany was NOT diverse. Germans and Turks. Sure, you can travel to another non-diverse place that is different. But each place in itself is not diverse.”

    I am in Frankfurt frequently, and in the downtown you can see Japanese, Chinese, Pakistanis (by the thousands), black Africans from innumerable countries, Somalis, Indians, Albanians, Serbs, Croats, etc.

    Berlin is far less diverse, though — a sea of tall blond people with thin lips and pointy noses.

    But to say that Germany has less freedom than the US? Try drinking beer or wine from an open container on the Washngton Metro! (Completely legal in Germany, including big parties of soccer fans with open beers on the subway platforms, heading to matches)…. Try eating as much as one Skittle on the Washington Metro!

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  482. I don’t recall what Cho was firing.

    Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun.

    As opposed to standing there, waiting for said gunman to shoot you?

    Oh, no, I’d be looking for ways to save my own black with a sprinkling of white ass.

    Excessive masturbation rots the liver, poisons the kidneys, and makes hair grow on your retinas.

    That’s an old Polish tale.

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  483. Mxing people into a soup kills diversity.

    For SWPLs, diversity is really a proxy for “NAMs and Asians who act like me”.

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  484. on June 28, 2009 at 8:03 pm Willard Libby

    David Alexander – “Excessive masturbation rots the liver, poisons the kidneys, and makes hair grow on your retinas.”

    That’s an old Polish tale.

    So’s his mom.

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  485. “But the idea was not to help men, but help women by forcing men to take paternity leave.”

    I think that obviously the one who is being helped most here is the infant. The parents too, but only secondarily.

    My point is that I’m not going to let my belief that it is primarily the role of the mother to tend to a newborn infant, obscure the fact that the government is allowing me 8 weeks of paid leave. It’s certainly not going to make me turn it down.

    I put economics above everything else. In the US we make the mistake of elevating so-called “social issues” above economic ones. That is what Corporate America wants us to do — to distract and divert us, so we vote against our own interests, and don’t even see or understand what our interests are.

    The bottom line is that if I could engineer society, I would create a humane society that allows mothers to stay home with their children if they wish to do so. In fact, while giving them the freedom to choose, it would encourage that. It would also guarantee that a living wage is paid for all jobs, so that this could be possible.

    But if the government offers me 8 weeks paid paternity leave, I am not going to turn it down just because my fragile male ego is threatened by the idea of taking care of a child.

    I’m always suspicious of men who think that way, because your concept of yourself as a male should not be threatened by things like that.

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  486. it’s true.

    It also kills your soul

    There. what? Still don’t believe me?

    There, proof for you.
    See, I am generous.
    And compassionate.

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  487. Bleh fucking wordpress stripped my cute embeded image.

    There, told ya so.

    Plus it will grow hair on the soles of your feet.

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  488. YOU ARE SOME SICK ASSHOLES!!!! MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A HUMAN BEING AND DESERVED A LOT MORE RESPECT THAN HE RECEIVED. OH JEALOUSY IS AN UGLY THING.
    THERE IS MORE THAN ONE SIDE TO THE TRUTH… LIKE HE DID MORE FOR CHILDREN WITH HIS CHARITIES THAN ANY OTHER PERSON ON EARTH. HMMM, TELL US TRUTH BITCH HOW MUCH TIME OR MONEY HAVE YOU GIVEN TO ANY CHARITY? OR HOW MANY LIVES CAN YOU SAY YOU HAVE SAVED IN YOUR PATHETIC LIFETIME?
    HMMM HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US HOW YOU CHANGED PREJUDICES TO A PARTICULAR RACE OR GENDER OR EVEN … YOU KNOW WHAT JUST FORGET IT. YOU ARE A SAD PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR OWN RHETERIC TO THE POINT THAT YOU FEEL YOUR SPEW IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU JUST THIS: EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION BUT PLEASE KEEP WITHIN YOUR OWN SMALL CIRCLE. THE REST OF THE WORLD, (NON BARBARIAN) DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR YOUR CRAP ANY LONGER. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY YOU’LL GROW UP.

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  489. @lisa:

    Caps lock off next time. Please?

    Thanks.

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  490. WHY am I returning here???!!! AGH. I just had a lovely lunch w/ lovely people, and before I went out to tend to my sunflowers, decided to pop on here to subject myself to more ranting…

    A couple of people have written quite a bit and I don’t know where to even start at this moment, as I was in a peaceful place before logging on…

    However, what I DON’T understand is why people here have to start their statements by saying they are “bored,” ending them with, “Emme’s a fat cow, yeah that makes sense,” and filling in the middle with complaints that I redirect your size issue back to you and your penis.

    You CANNOT have a problem with my assuming you have a small penis if you are going to assume that I’m ugly and fat JUST because I don’t agree with you on something.

    You have figured it out correctly that I am NOT interested in “dating up,” and men really do not hold an important place in my life–thus the freedom of my speech, and your retaliation. This does not make me fat.

    But, I assume you will continue to use that term b/c you assume it bothers me… It’s only something someone who feels limited would say. And, for the record, I only make comments on your body when you make comments on mine.

    There is no logic in attributing beauty to how someone feels about a particular subject. And my obsession with empowerment comes from the attempt of men to retrieve it. I feel this when a man states to me that I should be comfortable with seeing myself as only second to his primary role–as stated FREQUENTLY on this blog.

    I don’t want to be objectified: seen as beautiful/hot and only good for my sexuality OR fat and ugly b/c I’m strong and opinionated. Even if I were the most gorgeous woman in the world, no one here would say so b/c you hate all the things for which I stand.

    And yes, you throw in thought of marriage and gallant behavior–amongst the rating of girl’s pics. Where are your pictures? I myself would love to be permitted to rate yours…

    And really, women spend lots of money on cosmetics to pamper themselves. Really. I get pedicures no one ever sees…and buy/wear sexy underwear that no one ever sees. It has NOTHING to do with men.

    Like any person, I’d like to be generally well-thought of and valued, but I would not spend tons of money just in the hopes that some random guy might notice me.

    I also feel that there are indirect threats here, if not direct. Okay, great, no one here condones rape. Thank you. However, you are also stating if women don’t behave in ways you deem appropriate, you will not come to our ‘rescue’ *swoon*.

    So, you would not be willing to help a fellow HUMAN BEING out if they needed you. Nice. And who will be doing the screwing when this uprising occurs, the alpha males? Trying to follow the logic….

    The only thing I can say is that you gravely underestimate me and most women. I could defend myself–gun or no gun. And with the evolution of women, do not underestimate our power to form our own militia. I personally don’t need or care for the investment of men who do not see me as equal in my life in any way.

    LK:
    I checked out your blog and found your write-up on breasts interesting. I think we should all just be ourselves and appreciate others for their differences–not berate them. Would’ve left a comment, but had to sign in, and that would’ve led you back to my WP blog, and we all know what would happen then…

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  491. @Emme:

    “WHY am I returning here???!!! AGH. I just had a lovely lunch w/ lovely people, and before I went out to tend to my sunflowers, decided to pop on here to subject myself to more ranting…”

    You are now listening to the sounds of…

    NO ONE CARES.

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  492. Re: Kamal

    The monsters chasing the cat are based on Domo, a mascot for a NHK secondary channel. The image above is what currently serves as my Facebook profile photo, and one can the original spots on Youtube that have been translated into English.

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  493. “I’m always suspicious of men who think that way, because your concept of yourself as a male should not be threatened by things like that.”

    Not threatened — I did it myself. By MY choice, however. Mandating it limits freedom. That kind of mandate is a good example, one of among thousands, of how european countries limit personal freedom in ways I have found uncomfortable and even oppressive when I have been living in Europe.

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  494. Apparantly you do since you responded. That takes more effort than ignoring someone…

    Maybe you’re the lesbian.

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  495. Mandating it limits freedom.

    The problem is that if it isn’t mandated, then men like me who want that option will be penalized for taking advantage, which restricts my freedom.

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  496. with that attitude you’ll never get laid

    look, it is not because feminist harpies use it that cause the argument to go to waste. the charge that a man can’t get laid destroys him in any area imaginable

    fuck, If I were needing advice over train engineering I would ask Roissy first, not DA. My whole issue with white nationalists is that, they can’t get laid.

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  497. As for freedom in Germany.

    If Germany is so free, then why do you ..

    — register a TV set and pay a TV tax (I know it’s because of government broadcasting support, but that means less freedom and more government control)

    — pay a tax for having a dog

    — register with the local office of public order (Ordnungsamt) whenever you move, so that the government knows where you are at all times

    And so on.

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  498. novaseeker–

    Germany was NOT diverse. Germans and Turks. Sure, you can travel to another non-diverse place that is different. But each place in itself is not diverse.

    What’s so great about diversity anyway? Isn’t it something we have to celebrate her in order to avoid getting all down on and pissed about black way above average violent criminality, and way below average academic and income achievement (even with affirmative action, invented for them, although extended well beyond)?

    Actually, I do think diversity is great, and live and have lived for a long time in a very diverse city, New York, and appreciate it a lot. But it’s more elite diversity, so long as no standards dropped, and ethnic flavoring diversity I like. Indian software wizzes and Thai, Malay, Korean, Vietnamese Chinese-French, and so on restaurants in other words.

    Yeah, this view of diversity is lampooned. It’s what I like. What’s to like about affirmative action for the children of illegal Mexican immigrants?

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  499. freedom

    Freedom is maximized in homogeneous communities because its members have similar values and temperaments. Diversity begets the need for policing.

    A non-racial example: I had a good buddy, a redneck from Tennessee, who was pissed off about yuppies moving onto his neighborhood and passing ordinances that won’t let residents work on thier cars in their driveways.

    The rednecks like shadetree mechanics, the yuppies like pristine appearances. Living in separate neighborhoods keeps both kinds happy.

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  500. on June 28, 2009 at 9:09 pm Willard Libby

    Emme – WHY am I returning here???!!! AGH.

    Why did you return to Chateau de Roissy? Because you crave a good smacking from a man. You know you are emotionally out of control but you can’t help yourself. This leads to your overeating problem and consequent weight problems.

    Basically you return because you crave being forcefully put in your proper place by a man.

    You hunger to be dominated by a man. But no man wants you so you hunger for Sara Lee, Breyers and Mrs. Fields instead.

    This creates a viscous cycle of defeat. You hunger for a strong man, they don’t want you, you get frustrated, displace your hunger for man meat on to food, you get fatter and more ashamed of your massive girth and around and around you go like the giant ball of angry bitch blubber that you are.

    Follow Michael Jackson’s lead, kill yourself.

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  501. @mandy xd

    Once apon a time Doug very nicely pointed out to me that the men are okay here fighting their own battles. I don’t think we (women) need to be rude to their challengers (emme). I was very combative with LR in the beginning and once I’d been chastised (in a nice way) I stopped. He’s right they can fight for themselves better than we can, and you know what they really enjoy the fight.

    Admittedly I did use the sling arrows retort but it was too good to pass up but I don’t think we need to say things like “no one cares”. Cuz some of us do and some of us might. 🙂

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  502. “he problem is that if it isn’t mandated, then men like me who want that option will be penalized for taking advantage, which restricts my freedom.”

    Grow a pair, DA, and demand it, rather than making everyone else do what you want by law.

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  503. @Willard Libby:

    You are my hero. o.o

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  504. “Yeah, this view of diversity is lampooned. It’s what I like. What’s to like about affirmative action for the children of illegal Mexican immigrants?”

    @Doug1 —

    And that is what I was talking about.

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  505. @aoefe:

    But she annoys me.

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  506. “WHY am I returning here???!!! AGH. I just had a lovely lunch w/ lovely people, and before I went out to tend to my sunflowers, decided to pop on here to subject myself to more ranting…”

    Because the idea that men don’t follow the feminist script frightens you–and because fear is a form of arousal, that means that you keep coming back to this blog because you get off on it.

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  507. emme

    There are no examples in history of women forming fighting groups and prevailing over men in fighting groups. It is only in the realm of fiction that “womens militias” have existed.
    Many parts of the third world would benefit hugely from a competent, armed force to defend womens interest. Much of Africa fits that description. American women control vast wealth. They could easily fund and support in all sorts of ways local militia forces made up of women . Heck, call them the “Andrea Dworkin Brigades.” The fact that nothing like that has happened or even apparently occurred to women in either continent says a great deal.
    Meanwhile, men form militias everywhere and in all places.

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  508. novaseeker –

    Why is prostitution legal all over Germany, but a crime throughout the US except for a few counties in NV and TX?

    Why does the US have a Patriot Act, whereas Germany has much stricter laws for government wiretapping of citizens, and much stricter laws on digital privacy?

    http://a.new.basic.right.for.digital.privacy.is.born.at.german.pages.de/

    I submit that we in the USA live in an illusion of freedom, but that we are a much more perniciously and insidiously regulated and controlled society than Western Europe.

    According to PrivacyInternational.org, we rank right up there with China and Russia, as “endemic surveillance societies”…

    http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559597

    Germany ranks well below the US for intrusive government surveillance and violations of privacy.

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  509. Joe — Either White Males and White Females are too stupid to figure out their own interests, or the consistent over time voting patterns, the “Gender Gap” suggests real and consistent economic and cultural issues that advantage beta males (most men) over White Women.

    To wit, immigration legal and illegal. It was the White Male base that stopped illegal immigration Amnesty in 2007. When it was a “done deal.” Women prefer illegal immigrants because they don’t lose their jobs to them and Rosa the illegal alien Salvadoran maid/nanny enables kids plus bad boy chasing. This is also true of Republican support for resource extraction industries like mining, oil and gas drilling, and for Defense spending, all high paying, almost exclusively MALE domains (like 90% or so) and Dems White Female SWPL Yuppie and Black/Hispanic/Gay alignment against it.

    Mandy — people will always go crazy. The difference between UT’s shooting in the early 1960’s was that young male students FOUGHT BACK. They went and got their hunting rifles from their trucks, and shot back at the gunmen along with professors. Giving a civilian and LEO time and cover to enter the tower and kill the gunmen. This requires instinctive action. There’s no time to “think” merely act. Act on feelings and habits of a lifetime. Boom Boom. THAT fast.

    theblanque — Good point. As is the identity of the Gunmen, a Muslim convert.

    Cannon’s Canon — Yes good insights into catering into the almost exclusively female audience on TV. It’s very feminized, a FEW shows have tried to put forward a masculine lead who is unabashedly male. “Life” which featured the traditional, highly masculine tough-guy leading man was canceled, and “Chuck’ with the very nerd-masculine lead (and Adam Baldwin!) was barely renewed, for only 13 episodes. Women by and large rejected the characters (though some passionately loved them, far more had no reaction at all) and men couldn’t be persuaded to watch again, TV having been cemented as a female-gay ghetto. USA Network is probably the home of traditional “masculine” shows, with uncompromising vision. Budget threshold seems to be about 1.5-2 million per show. Easily doable outside of Hollywood and with better/more competitive accounting.

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  510. Oh, no, I’d be looking for ways to save my own black with a sprinkling of white ass.

    And risk getting shot in the back?

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  511. it may be hard on some, but men who can’t get laid are harmless

    there will never be a beta revolution. the idea of a break-up of order leading women be become unprotected is ridiculous. if anything, warlords will emerge and divide women among themselves.

    betas will never get women without the old Christian order. what will happen is a slow transition from monogamy to soft poligamy then hard poligamy.

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  512. @mandy xd

    Oh, I was soooooo there with LR, I get it. Besides Doug, clio and chic advised me not to get involved at least at the contempt level. We women are in the minority here and really they’re rather gracious to allow us any comment time at all. Thoughtful commentary is never a bad idea, but insults for the sake of them, ya not as good. Plus rather unfeminine don’t you think? I’m not meaning to rain on your parade, it’s your choice what to do, but I had good people advise me and I wanted to pass along the same.

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  513. And yet, if he were firing in the direction of your mom, your niece, and possibly Non-Date, you’d probably have thrown yourself into his line of fire.

    That’s a whole different argument though. The female classmates in question weren’t the wives, mothers or children of the male classmates.

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  514. Re Diversity —

    The “Bowling Alone” author and Harvard Prof Robert Putnam, a hard-core Liberal, found to his horror that over and over again, replicable by every survey, Diversity creates distrust. Even among racial/ethnic groups, i.e. LA has the most distrust of fellow Mexicans by Mexicans, Blacks by Blacks, Whites by Whites, and so on. Lowest Volunteering (Volunteering in America has the stats to prove it — LA is the lowest participating city, Salt Lake and St. Paul, the Whitest, the highest).

    Whites are not “superior” nor are they any master race. Far from it. For most of history Europe was a barbarian backwater of no note or importance (or high IQ). BUT, mono-ethnic places have much higher levels of social trust and thus social wealth. Far fewer resources devoted to policing and social control, witness Japan, Switzerland, and Finland. Higher-trust networks are also critical for public infrastructure, from welfare to high speed rail to sidewalks to be “respected” and “owned” as one’s own.

    I am glad Emme and the other Feministing ladies are posting here. They are in fact what most women are like. Stupid, stuck on shaming language (which is effective but ONLY up to a point) and self-worshipping like a cartoon character. They actually believe they are goddesses. You can’t believe btw, what a sea change this is from women of the past. Compare-contrast say, Doris Day to Kate Hudson.

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  515. The female classmates in question weren’t the wives, mothers or children of the male classmates.

    It’s a difference in degree really. If a guy felt like these girl classmates liked him and potentially would date him or his buddies, if he is dating one of them or their girlfriends, he’d feel like they are his and he’d feel obliged to protect them.

    But if it’s women that he feels separated from them by a wall of untouchability and sexual contempt, he’ll not give a damn about them.

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  516. Gracious to let you comment??? Holy crap, you’ve bought into it.

    And Mandy you’re annoyed be ME and not all of the degrading comments on this blog. That’s insane. I think you’re annoyed b/c it’s obvious no one was all that interested in what you have to say, or comment on what you have to say. It’s really a shame when women attack other women instead of banding together.

    This will be my last visit. I was returning to try to understand some mutant form of man-kind I’d never encountered before, but will not tolerate being degraded–especially by losers and scared little boys.

    BTW, thanks for idea of killing myself. I already tried once and it didn’t work, maybe next time I’ll be more successful.

    Peace out.

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  517. The dude in the UT tower chose to do his stunt about a week before the opening of deer season. A lot of peoples rifles had just been sighted-in and practiced with. Most of his killing got done within the first 10 minutes or so because after that he was getting accurate return fire from ALL 4 quadrants. He could not keep his head up without getting granite chips in his eyes.
    Texans in that time and place had a pretty strong sense that bad guys needed to be fought directly because the “Law” was not likely to be coming in time to help, if at all.

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  518. Whites are not “superior” nor are they any master race. Far from it. For most of history Europe was a barbarian backwater of no note or importance

    BS. I posted once in halfsigma, and hordes of indians and chinese got mad at me, that Athens and Florence alone have given more to the world than China and India

    Classical Greece could rightfully decribe China and India as barbarian. I would chose to be a poor citizen of the Roman EMpire than a brhamin or mandarim.

    From 500 BC until 2009 AD, the west was inferior to China/India only from 500 AD to 1200 AD. aAnd I think that China and India were overrun by barbarians in those centuries, so that they tied with the west many of those centuries.

    The West is superior now. Northern Italy and Flanders were superior already in 1200 AD, the Roman EMpire could call China and India barbaric. and compare the greatness of Greece to China and India is BS

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  519. Texans in that time and place had a pretty strong sense that bad guys needed to be fought directly

    I’m too young to remember the old America, but guys who do must be heartsick over what happened to this country.

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  520. anyway, if you can’t bed white women, you can’t hide behind the greatness of White Civilization

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  521. @aoefe

    “Oh, I was soooooo there with LR, I get it. Besides Doug, clio and chic advised me not to get involved at least at the contempt level. We women are in the minority here and really they’re rather gracious to allow us any comment time at all. Thoughtful commentary is never a bad idea, but insults for the sake of them, ya not as good. Plus rather unfeminine don’t you think? I’m not meaning to rain on your parade, it’s your choice what to do, but I had good people advise me and I wanted to pass along the same.”

    Good point.

    It’s really not a nice thing to do. It’s just that nothing she’s said here is thoughtful, nothing she’s said here is…gah.

    It’s so frustrating.

    I’ll refrain from pointless attacks in the future.

    as for women commenting here: It’s true, I keep expecting Roissy to come in with a mighty banhammer at any minute. I get the impression that some people on here really don’t like me for some reason.

    I’m lucky I’m let on here, especially because of my age and gender.

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  522. @emme

    “I already tried once and it didn’t work, maybe next time I’ll be more successful.”

    Wow! What on earth did you reveal that here for? That came out of nowhere and let’s me know you’re crying for help of some kind. Do you need to come here to prove the world is truly a horrible place? You mentioned up thread that you wanted to believe that people were essentially good but you were seeing proof to the contrary here. You come here to have your world view reinforced, it makes sense now. You don’t believe people are good, you want to believe they are but you can’t. I encourage you to lurk for awhile and get to know some of the people here, simmer your feelings for a day or two and then approach it again. I’m giving girly advice I realize, but heck I’m a girl.

    OH and…
    I do believe they’re being gracious by allowing women to comment. We could be moderated or banned, this afterall is a forum for men learning the PUA arts. Roissy believes in free speech – kudos to him. When foreigners come to another country to live, they should be prepared to adapt to the culture they’re in, I’m simply saying I’m now in the country of men, I better pay attention to what’s going on or be prepared for bitter contempt. I chose to come to ‘this country’, so why should I be rude once I’ve arrived? Make sense?

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  523. Gracious to let you comment??? Holy crap, you’ve bought into it.

    No; she simply recognizes that this is Roissy’s blog, not her own. All of us here comment at his sufferance–none of us have the “right” to post on Roissy’s blog.

    And Mandy you’re annoyed be ME and not all of the degrading comments on this blog. That’s insane. I think you’re annoyed b/c it’s obvious no one was all that interested in what you have to say, or comment on what you have to say. It’s really a shame when women attack other women instead of banding together.

    Uh oh, Mandy, you’d better watch out–she’s going to report you as a “gender traitor”, and have you sent in for re-education.

    This will be my last visit.

    Doubtful.

    I was returning to try to understand some mutant form of man-kind I’d never encountered before, but will not tolerate being degraded–especially by losers and scared little boys.

    You came back because you liked the rush of being scared, on finding men who won’t take your shit.

    BTW, thanks for idea of killing myself. I already tried once and it didn’t work, maybe next time I’ll be more successful.

    Oh, wah. Cry me a fucking river. “Victims” don’t get much sympathy around here.

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  524. Grow a pair, DA, and demand it, rather than making everyone else do what you want by law.

    Demanding it doesn’t do much except mark men like myself as disloyal and not worthy of promotions which destroys our future income stream.

    If a guy felt like these girl classmates liked him and potentially would date him or his buddies

    A corpse can’t date.

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  525. whiskey:

    This is also true of Republican support for resource extraction industries like mining, oil and gas drilling, and for Defense spending, all high paying, almost exclusively MALE domains (like 90% or so) and Dems White Female SWPL Yuppie and Black/Hispanic/Gay alignment against it.

    Joe T:

    creating the social turmoil that will inevitably do us in as a society within the next 10-15 years, in which I predict we will fall first economically, and then politically, to the oldest continuous civilization in the world, China.

    the crap might be hitting the fan. in california, voters -overwhelmingly- rejected ballot initiatives that would have raised taxes to support entities, like (relatively) highly paid public sector workers. the union backed dems in sacramento have made efforts to not have to decrease expenditures that would adversely affect such workers. however, schwarzennegar (sic?) has vetoed it (with strong backing from the republicans). he has repeatedly said that the voters gave him a mandate that he must follow.

    the state has bled white voters and white taxpayers to neighboring states for over a decade while also importing more and more of mexico’s poorest and least educated. something has to give. the state system is untenable. the defense industry burst. the dot com industry burst. the tax base is hurting. my guess is that there probably will be a tax increase but only if there are massive cuts to welfare, schools, and prisons. i don’t say this with glee.

    without a strong tax base, after the feds doing little to stem the unrelenting tide of illegal immigration and after fiscally overextending itself for years, california is about to see catastrophic repercussions. again, i don’t say this with glee.

    (wrt china ultimately trumping america)
    And that, my friends, will probably be a *good* thing for the world.

    in the long term, this will be a good thing to america, as well as the world. we’ll no longer be able to afford the excesses prosperity gave us. programs like welfare (social security, disability, unemployment…), unfettered immigration, defense, and a host of other big projects will need to be pared down. more access to biotech engineering (i.e. stem cell research), nuclear power and a more limited foreign policy are in the offing. america simply won’t have much choice if it wants to compete with a ruthless china.

    as roissy stated, the cycle will begin anew.

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  526. also, the only good point about America’s hispanization is the improvement of American football.

    the game today was simply amazing. the best game of the year by far. the US is becoming the second force in football in the hemisphere, behind only Brazil

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  527. Wow! What on earth did you reveal that here for?

    She’s trying to claim moral superiority through victimhood status; she was trying to “top from below”.

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  528. @theblanque

    “Uh oh, Mandy, you’d better watch out–she’s going to report you as a “gender traitor”, and have you sent in for re-education.”

    More like stupidification.

    Darnit, I’m sorry guys. I don’t know what’s wrong with me today. Gah.

    I’m not attacking her because she’s a woman. And her being a woman is not reason enough for me to band together with her.

    That’s the way it is.

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  529. on June 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm Cannon's Canon

    “BTW, thanks for idea of killing myself. I already tried once and it didn’t work, maybe next time I’ll be more successful.”

    Typical female engineering.

    On another note, there is a Rolling Stone article detailing the market manipulations of Goldman Sachs over the past century, giving them credit for masterminding every burst bubble. Now, I’m all for some good old-fashioned GS conspiracy theories, but considering the source, this article sours my mood. Why is Rolling Stone, THE quintessential SWPL source for all things liberal, so interested in the lofty affairs of investment banks? As opposed to, say, qualified critics/skeptics?

    My concern is not with the critique of this arm of the institution, but rather, the critique of the institution itself (capitalism). This piece was not written to inform; it inspires hate. I’m afraid it’s representative of a cultural climate change toward big government and socialism. This is relevant here because this direction belies the presience of women’s (and minorities’) increasing influences in public policy and social temperament. Ahh, the perils of a contractual society.

    Here’s a link to the text – worth a skim just for the great pictures. GS employees were issued an email this afternoon, and there will be a press conference tomorrow to respond publicly.

    http://greenlightadvisor.com/glablog/2009/06/26/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major-market-manipulation-since-the-great-depression

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  530. A corpse can’t date.

    You’re dead anyways, so why not go out with a bang instead of a whimper?

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  531. @theblanque

    “She’s trying to claim moral superiority through victimhood status; she was trying to “top from below”.
    Believe it or not, that technique can be extremely successful amongst angsty teen girls. Especially in the early to mid teens.

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  532. btw, what’s happening in california is a harbinger for what’s to come for this country. think social security and medicare. congressional dems are already saying obama’s health care initiatives will need to be pared down due to debt implications (from non- partisan cbo estimates). this will get a lot worse with the baby boomers retiring during the next 1-2 decades.

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  533. @mandy

    Nah, the suggestion wasn’t to ban together as women. I can’t band with LR for example, it’s her on-line persona I have issues with, not her womanhood. I just cooled my jets when it came to lashing back at her. Actually to begin with my ire was with the men who fueled her fire, I thought they should all practice planned ignoring and make her go away. Now I see she helps them back up many of their arguments, emme is the same. She’s right in a way, you have issues with her, you don’t like how she approaches her arguments (or lack thereof). I grew to enjoy LR, I still don’t agree with how she approaches things, but her viewpoint is never, ever dull. Emme strikes me the same way, and maybe after she cools off she’ll have some meat to back up her claims. Regardless enjoy the ride, it’s often fun.

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  534. When I read emmes confession regarding her suicide attempt, my first thought was: Why should we listen to someone whose worldview & emotional maturity cannot keep her from wanting to be dead? Like, anyone would want to follow in her path? Think like she thinks and make the choices she has made?

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  535. @theblanque

    “She’s trying to claim moral superiority through victimhood status; she was trying to “top from below”.”

    Really? Gross.

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  536. From 1984 to 2004, the number of childless 40-year-old men in Norway rose from 16% to 25.6% as result of feminism and the resulting soft polygamy. Things like paternity leave does not matter when you can’t find a woman because women despise men with equal status. This rising group of losers have nothing invested in women and society and will, I hope, at some point make a violent nuisance of ourselves. Probably not an organized uprising, but isolated acts of rape and violence that will make life so unpleasant for women that they regret feminism.

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  537. voters -overwhelmingly- rejected ballot initiatives that would have raised taxes to support entities, like (relatively) highly paid public sector workers

    Fun Public Policy Issue: When government employees are laid off, and they begin to lose their homes, the forclosure rate increases which decreases the value of existing homes, and leaves vacant homes in the community, and weakens the local economy. In other words, is it worth it to lay off these employees in lieu of a tax increase.

    while also importing more and more of mexico’s poorest and least educated

    The fun solution here would be to bill the federal government for 100% of the costs attributed to illegal immigrants, thus giving an incentive for the feds to do something about these immigrants.

    programs like welfare (social security, disability, unemployment…)

    Once we remove those programs, we are no longer a white country, but a failed country. The civility of the welfare state is what helps makes the white country superior to all others. Besides, if we can’t afford welfare, then we won’t be able to pay for native bio-tech engineering or nuclear power…

    BTW, I’ll wager $1000 in the imposition of a VAT within the next 8 years.

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  538. @rum

    “Why should we listen to someone whose worldview & emotional maturity cannot keep her from wanting to be dead?”

    Such a good point, she lost major points with that revelation, whether true or not true. If she had any foundation she crumbled it. If like theblanque says she was trying claim moral superiority through victimhood that’s a shoddy (shoddy) way to do it.

    @emme

    We know you’re still reading. You can’t drop that bomb and run, we know you’re glued to the comments. If you regret the statement, it’s not a bad thing to admit it. Some of us have had to own up to comments we’ve made which were foolish if not stupid (moi included).

    I have to ask have you ever engaged with a group with this level of intensity? Did it make your adrenalin pump? Your heart race? Your armpits sweat? Are you backing out because you can’t handle the emotions involved? The critical thinking required? Ask yourself those questions, and then see if you don’t want to come back. I think you do.

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  539. on June 28, 2009 at 10:20 pm Willard Libby

    Emme – Gracious to let you comment??? Holy crap, you’ve bought into it.

    Yes, you menstruating ingrate. You should be grateful for the MALE civilization all around you.

    If women had been running things for the last 5000 years we’d still be living in huts worshiping the flower goddess.

    It’s really a shame when women attack other women instead of banding together.

    You people band together enough. You even band together when you go to the restroom. Bands of urinating she-cows.

    Take a chance and be an individual for once, you conformist, herd minded tub of butter.

    This will be my last visit.

    I feel lonely already. Lonelyboy2009 is my new nickname.

    Don’t break the door when it smacks you in your hippo sized ass.

    I was returning to try to understand some mutant form of man-kind I’d never encountered before, but will not tolerate being degraded–especially by losers and scared little boys.

    Go back to your gay male friends. Those freaks will tell you what a fabulous goddess you are.

    BTW, thanks for idea of killing myself. I already tried once and it didn’t work, maybe next time I’ll be more successful.

    Typical incompetent female.

    Peace out.

    The only peace you want is another piece of the meatloaf you have in the fridge.

    inner tube lips said – Wow! What on earth did you reveal that here for? That came out of nowhere and let’s me know you’re crying for help of some kind.

    I already diagnosed her. I didn’t need her bio.

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  540. @aoefe:

    Yeah, I think LR is aight. She has her moments, but she’s ok.

    And before people yell at me I think most people are ok or better.

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  541. Arpagus, are epidemic rapes by Muslim immigrants making Feminists in your country regret feminism or multiculturalism?

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  542. Joe T.:

    Russia lived 60 years under the most extreme “leftist social engineering” policies the world has ever seen, and plus had its male population decimated in WWII, resulting in a matriarchy-by-default… but it is still a country where the views of traditional gender roles are very much intact, and in fact are jeaolusly guarded by both sexes.

    I think you’re mistaken about this. The Soviet regime certainly did a lot of social engineering, but when it comes to reshaping the basic norms and attitudes in people’s private lives, its policies were definitely not “the most extreme.” In fact, when you look at the Bolsheviks and other old-school hard left movements from the perspective of 2009, it’s striking how bourgeois and conservative their outlook was on all the issues over which our contemporary culture wars have been fought. The Bolsheviks’ vision of the socialist paradise could be approximately described as bourgeois middle-class prosperity for everyone, and compared to what is demanded (and increasingly achieved) by the Western postmodern left nowadays, they were nowhere as extreme about reengineering the basic human relations and attitudes that shape people’s private lives.

    Of course, the Bolsheviks were extreme and ruthless to the point of walking over millions of corpses whenever it came to holding their grip on state power, expanding their influence abroad, and developing a collectivist command economy. However, if you could resurrect Lenin, Khrushchev, or even Stalin and show them the ideological program of the contemporary PC leftist vanguard, they would frown on its partial reconciliation with the market economy, but they would be baffled by its radicalism on almost all the other issues, and even more by its practical success in pushing this agenda. Similarly, just imagine if some typical Soviet propaganda materials were viewed from a feminist or some other postmodern PC perspective — it would be amazing to see how many old-fashioned bourgeois attitudes were reflected in them that have already become dangerously un-PC in our society.

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  543. I hope, at some point make a violent nuisance of ourselves.

    Touch my kids, and I’ll fucking kill you.

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  544. Gig —

    Your theories fly in the face of the Black and British experience. In 1965, Marvin Gaye was singing longing love songs and duets with Tammy Tyrell. By 1998, Snoop Dogg was boasting of his “doggy style” approach to women. In 1955, it was possible to leave one’s doors open all day unlocked, and for kids to play unsupervised in East London. Today, it’s a crime-ridden hell hole. Back then, abuse and crime were rare. Now it’s common.

    The experience suggests that as men cannot compete for women under the old rules, they adopt to new ones. ANY beta man, no matter how beta, can be a thug. It does not take much. A gun makes you the match or more for Mike Tyson. Often, skinny little kids as young as 13 are used as trigger men by gangs. Killing people, and being known for it, is “instant Alpha” but implies constant escalation.

    Black people did not go from relatively low crime rates to sky high ones for no reason. Nor did British Whites. It’s sexual competition for women, easily understandable, and in the throes right now among Whites. The first bits of it are Xtreme sports. Risk taking, money. It’ll go farther.

    Your assumption error Gig is that somehow, magically, Alphas will construct massive patronage organizations to grab up all the women. That generally requires tribal infrastructure pre-existing and a long tradition of goon squad patronage. Plus considerable resources. Consider merely one gunman. His net cost to his patron in a First World nation is probably $500 a day, min. Or someone else buys him. Or he takes it. It’s a basic cash flow problem (Third World gunmen are cheaper, often only $5 a day in some places).

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  545. on June 28, 2009 at 10:31 pm Tupac Chopra

    Willard Libby is on FIRE!

    Heyyyoooo!

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  546. However, if you could resurrect Lenin, Khrushchev, or even Stalin and show them the ideological program of the contemporary PC leftist vanguard, they would frown on its partial reconciliation with the market economy, but they would be baffled by its radicalism on almost all the other issues, and even more by its practical success in pushing this agenda.

    That’s a really good way of putting it.

    In my view, the Left, as slippery and hard it is do define, is something real, something most people instinctively know when they see.

    It could be that the Left (whatever it is) recalibrated its goals to suit its modern, prosperous, post-industrial context and kept on marching.

    Today’s multiculti/feminist/diversity battlecries are still the same international revolution, but by different and less crude means.

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  547. @DavidAlexander:

    That’s one thing I was thinking of.

    When some of my family was living in Venezuela, a family friend (a girl) went over to her boyfriend’s house to visit his family. She had dinner, her drink was drugged, and she was raped. When her father confronted the boyfriend’s father, he said,”You shouldn’t let your cow out to pasture with the bulls.”

    Her father then invited her boyfriend over. They drugged him. He was a doctor, so he put him under anesthesia and performed a certain…operation on him. I think you could figure out which one.

    He left a note that said,”Don’t let your cow out to pasture with the bulls.”

    If the girl has a father like that, or a father like most of the dads I know (including mine) I don’t think the offenders will live very long. =X

    Or at least, remain unscarred very long.

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  548. Believe it or not, that technique can be extremely successful amongst angsty teen girls. Especially in the early to mid teens.

    Oh, I know. And it’s not limited to teens. The point is, she was trying passive-aggressive manipulation by playing to our sympathies. Once you acknowledge her as a “victim”, it becomes hard to call her on her bullshit–because nobody really wants to look like they’re beating up on the poor victim. She knew you had her beat, so she tried the passive-aggressive route to make you feel guilty and take her side (or to at least not to take the “guy’s” side when she emotes).

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  549. Nor did British Whites.

    Fun Question: Have other whites around the world followed the Chav model of development?

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  550. Gig —

    You’re missing my point. While Bronze Age Europe was a total backwater, and Dark Ages (dawn of the Iron Age, around 1200 BC -600 BC) One was a disaster in Europe, with nothing of note, Eastern Med/Egyptian/Babylonian-Mesopotamian culture was highly advanced. Before, and after the Romans, no one thought the Britons, Gauls, various Germans, Slavs, etc. were much of anything, and they contributed nothing to art, literature, science, or much of anything else.

    Then, as monogamy was established, from say AD 900-1000 AD, you saw a flowering of Western Culture. From, basically nothing. Nothing like has EVER been seen before or since. It’s because wide-deep resources were mastered. In China, brilliant Eunuchs created vastly advanced clocks and naval vessels and firearms … that never went anywhere. In Europe, family firms run by middling classes constantly improved on firearms, printing, compasses, chronometers, and the like.

    Yes, Greece, Florence, Rome, etc. all individually surpass Asia collectively. There is a reason for that. None of these places were known for long, flowering civilizations such as the Egyptians, Babylonians, the Hittites, the Assyrians, the Persians, etc. Athens went from backwater nothing to center of the Med Universe (and possibly civilization) because of the extraordinarily deep-wide resource utilization. Ordinary men for the first time, could and did contribute to life in almost any area. You did not have to be born into it.

    Or short version, no genetic bottleneck (as with Alphas only mating-reproducing). Producing amazing results extremely rapidly.

    As for “White Nationalism,” the stakes get raised when everything is government run and White guys are told to get to the back of the bus. THAT was politically acceptable when times were good, there was too much sexual opportunity to be lost, the opportunity costs lost (not working in say Academia which loathes Straight White Men) were neglible. NOW, with health care to nearly every job to taxation to well, EVERYTHING run by government, and miserable times, and high male unemployment with Obama’s people saying “No White Men Need Apply” … the stakes are too high NOT to vote the straight identity ticket and vote straight identity spoils politics. If Tammany Hall is the only game in town, White Men will play ruthlessly. Simple as that.

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  551. Mandy

    All fathers and brothers and uncles of young women will cheerfully act as that dad did. In all times and places. But what about women to whom they are not related? That is the question here.

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  552. PA

    Arpagus, are epidemic rapes by Muslim immigrants making Feminists in your country regret feminism or multiculturalism?

    Increasingly, yes. We are slowly getting there. Norwegian men and immigrants alike are also starting to show that they are quite capable of killing their wives when facing an unfair divorce. At some point the cost of feminism will be too high.

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  553. Have other whites around the world followed the Chav model of development?

    There has been a lot of thuggishness in eastern Europe during Communism and in the decade after. Even back when I was growing up there I could feel the pull toward vandalism and other petty crime when out with my friends. Drinking, fighting, scaring kids from different schools, shit like that.

    But all this was balanced by a very strong commitment to solid values like respecting one’s parents and such. The same thugs who got shitfaced with cheap vodka on a Saturday night and beat up some random guy would piously sing in church on Sunday morning.

    It’s pretty cool in a way, I think. And virtually all married and lived respectably once past their teens or early 20s.

    But the kind of all-out nihilism that Whiskey describes? I dunno. In the US I see lots of dopey looking whiggers today, and seen plenty of metalhead druggies back in the 80s. But they are harmless for the most part.

    I’ve never been to the UK. But those who know the place — is Whiskey exaggerating Chavism, or is it for real?

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  554. LOL Willard Libby.

    David A — yes, other White groups have followed the Chav model. Raiders fans, Hells Angels and other bikers (or pretend bad boy weekend bikers), Rednecks, etc.

    Generally, White guys in the West follow one of three patterns: sorta gay Metrosexual types, lots of SWPL yuppie status mongering, to get girls (think Michael Cera), the “Look at this F—ing Hipster” website,

    OR the macho type. Who can be subdivided into Yuppie Adventurers, ala Xtreme sports, BASE jumping that sort of crap, risk taking with money to show off for women, or the “lets get drunk and fight” types. Raiders, Jets, Steelers fans are notorious for this, Bikers, Sturgis, stuff like that all pretty much nail it. Daytona Bike Week is also a good example, skews a bit younger and squid-ier than Sturgis, which is a total Hog fest.

    [I’m a huge fan of Naked Bikes, the Cafe Racers. Not very practical unless you live in SF or some place like that. But fun and cool. I’d rather ride in NYC than subway it. There though you want a beater Japanese bike one of the smaller ninjas or something. Plus you can’t ride in the snow/slush.]

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  555. on June 28, 2009 at 11:00 pm Tupac Chopra

    The same thugs who got shitfaced with cheap vodka on a Saturday night and beat up some random guy would piously sing in church on Sunday morning.

    It’s pretty cool in a way, I think.

    Hypocrisy ROOLZ

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  556. PA —

    Seen those pics Roissy linked to? New Years Eve around the UK? Total Chav city. Guys getting “glassed” all over the place. Blood all over them, girls drunk and passed out (many of them fat and ugly) all over the street.

    THAT is pretty much British life reverting to type. Most of the time, British were viewed as drunken, ugly, stupid thugs. It was only after the Victorian reformers got in power and were appalled by the drunken, gin-fueled depravity of the Georgians, that things changed, Victorian CoE repression and rules reined things in. Beer for gin, closing time, bans increasingly on weaponry, a heavy dose of both law and order AND public morality, that sort of thing.

    The stiff upper lip, show no emotion, solidly middle class Britisher was an invention of the Victorians. He didn’t exist before 1840, instead was a drunken lout more likely to pick a fight with you just for the hell of it, who’d later have sex with the neighborhood 13 year old child prostitute. And feel no shame about any of it. Consider it “normal” and how most people lived. [There are records going back to BEFORE the Norman Conquest, describing the English in pretty much those terms, by Franks, Irish Monks, and Papal officials. This was the consistent views of the French and Spanish envoys during Elizabeth’s time as well. It was common for the “groundlings” or guys who paid to loll around in the ground, the dirt, at the Globe Theater, to pass out dead drunk during plays.]

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  557. Tupac – Ned Flanderism isn’t the only way to practice Christianity.

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  558. I am personally rather fond of “yuppie adventures” They beat the shit out of “yuppie sitting on ones ass”. I have had some bikes and have almost gone to Sturgis, and I am into extreme motorsports, in the US and Europe.. It is fun! And chicks DO like it. It is like running with the bulls in Pamplona. It is a form of “posing” but the bulls&horns are real enough and adrenaline is adrenaline for men and women alike.

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  559. @doug definitely moderate, but right of center politically and especially economically, left-to-neutral socially. extremes on both ends are always a little off- fitting reality to ideology rather than the other way around.

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  560. To beat the moderation filter:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1103843/Boozy-Britains-bloody-New-Year-A-999-seven-seconds-
    alcohol-induced
    -mayhem.html

    (string it together).

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  561. props to mandy and aoefe. i’m not siding with you against emme just because i agree with your viewpoints, rather, your recognition that you have to come to this forum with an open mind to take anything constructive away from it is important.

    emme came here with the wrong frame of mind.

    also, it was brought up (by aoefe) i think that roissy doesn’t have to let anyone comment here if he doesn’t want to. i read stuff over at feministing.com just to know what they’re up to. the board is completely full of “yes (wo)men”. you have to register to comment, and if you say anything that falls outside the box your comment is deleted. and they’re the ones that favor democracy!

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  562. I have spent a lot of time among the Brits in the context of my motorsports obsessions. Hell yes, they are drunken brawlers underneath the thin veneer of politeness. Exactly the sort of guys I would want to go to war with.
    Another thing to consider is that the British Isles were peopled by immigrants from N. Europe not so long ago. There was a “filter” (the difficulty of travel) in place that tended to keep the hopeless sessile losers from going there.
    France is a different matter.

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  563. Rum — My idea of heaven is either cruising the green/blue runs at say, Mammoth, or fly fishing in Montana in summer. Bikes are awesome, but kind of expensive and not really suited for long commutes here in SoCal.

    I don’t get other than bragging rights, whitewater kayaking, BASE jumping, and that other bs. Other than, yeah, chicks dig it.

    I’m more a Daytona guy than Sturgis. If I had a bike, it’d be the Ducati Monster, probably in the 650 range, or the entry level BMW bike (heated grips!) But that’s just me — I’m more squid than hog. Though you can’t beat Harley’s service network nor their stability of parts. Jap bikes change stuff every year, sigh.

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  564. I’d rather ride in NYC than subway it.

    I see you’ve never seen our questionably paved roads. OTOH, I’d like one of those Kawasaki sport bikes for one of the curvier parkways around here.

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  565. @Rum:
    “All fathers and brothers and uncles of young women will cheerfully act as that dad did. In all times and places. But what about women to whom they are not related? That is the question here.”

    I don’t think all will. Some will.

    I’ve been in some uncomfortable situations. This one guy, just from reading my body language at a distance, could tell I was uncomfortable, pick me up, and carry me away.

    He’s my boyfriend now.

    As it is, I don’t think it’s human nature to step in. Studies have been conducted (I’ll get the links if you want) in which a scenario of someone having a seizure is created. If only one other person is in the room when it happens, then they will go get help. If 10 people are, each person only feels 10% responsible, so no one gets help.

    Other factors may cause the outcome to vary, like if someone knows that person, if the other people are medical professionals, etc.

    It’s kind of depressing when you think about it.

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  566. “I see you’ve never seen our questionably paved roads. OTOH, I’d like one of those Kawasaki sport bikes for one of the curvier parkways around here.”

    I see you have never been to New Orleans where the roads are paved yet you still need a 4WD SUV to drive in mild comfort.

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  567. Mandy

    Most guys are wired to want to be a White Knight and rescue a Damsel in Distress. However, in real life, doing that can be dangerous. That does not mean it will not happen. It does mean that how often guys risk their lives to rescue women not related to them will vary.
    I hate to be crude but SEX as pay-off for heroism is an unusually powerful incentive for guys. I do not mean right then and there with the rescuee. I do mean that the rescue-guy sees a lot of lust in the other women in his tribe after he did his heroic deed.
    If he sees from them “you are a loser, beta fool” the next girl will be on her own.
    That is just how things work.

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  568. @Rum:

    Yeah, it’s dangerous. Either the attacker could seriously hurt him, or the girl could throw a fit and claim sexual harassment for being picked up or something.

    But honestly, I think everyone should be appreciative of White Knights. I don’t understand why anyone would say,”You are a loser, beta fool.” No one has to save them. If a guy decides to step in and defend a girl, he does it out of the goodness of his heart.

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  569. Willard Libby, et al.:

    re: Emme, y’all need to put the flensing tools down. While it’s fun to slice ‘n’ dice the humpback, it just leaves you feeling a little greasy at the end.

    I do agree with Doug’s assessment, and like Kamal I am also curious about her age. My first instinct was to think that she was in high school or middle school… but I could be wrong.

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  570. @JAM:

    I’m guessing 14, maybe 15.

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  571. cptnapalm — haha. Spent three years in New Orleans pre-Katrina. Miss it and hate it at the same time. Sigh.

    Mandy — Most women find White Knights a PITA and ridicule them. They get no action. Therefore, guys will not risk both legal and life threatening issues. Period. Sigh.

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  572. About the VT shooting. That SOB had two guns, and from the pictures I saw that he made of himself, hollow point bullets. Have you ever seen what one of those does? One shot is devastating. Those bullets mushroom when they hit. No way some big brave guy is going to successfully rush him. He’d be a piece of bleeding swiss cheese in two seconds.

    Those hollow tips are banned for police and military use.

    The only defense would have been for other students to have been armed. Since VT was a gun free campus, only the crazies had guns. RIP.

    BTW, Roissy is right. Western civilization is more or less done, as we understand it. Just party on.

    One incident from work. In the stair well last week I held the door open for three young women. I had just come through it, and they were so close that letting it close would have been really rude. The three walked through the door without even one of them stopping their conversation and making the slightest effort to acknowledge my courteous gesture. Not the slightest.

    So, I guess I’ll just let the doors slam in their faces from now on. Why not? They are my equals and my competitors.

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  573. Mandy

    Guys do all sorts of things “the first time” out of the goodness of their young hearts.
    The question that matters is whether they will do it a second and third time..
    Think of firemen. They are brave, they run into burning buildings to save people. But you know what, to keep doing that day after day it is by no means strange that they would want 1. to be paid 2. health insurances 3. pension for survivors and so on.
    And if eager sex is not part of the mix of rewards for fighting fires the fires will just have to put themselves out while we go look for better pussy.

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  574. @joel:

    “One incident from work. In the stair well last week I held the door open for three young women. I had just come through it, and they were so close that letting it close would have been really rude. The three walked through the door without even one of them stopping their conversation and making the slightest effort to acknowledge my courteous gesture. Not the slightest.

    So, I guess I’ll just let the doors slam in their faces from now on. Why not? They are my equals and my competitors.”

    You know what you should have done? You should have looked at them and said,”You’re welcome.”

    I normally say thank you. My parents taught me manners. But one day (this was a few years ago) a peer held a door open for me at school. I was so caught up in my own thoughts I didn’t even say thank you. He said,”you’re welcome.” I felt so bad, I apologized like crazy and I make sure I NEVER forget now.

    I usually hold the door open for people too (if they’re coming in right after me or if they have a stroller or are carrying large packages). One woman nearly pushed me over.

    People are so rude nowadays.

    @Rum:

    Are you warning me about my choice to..wait?

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  575. Mandy

    I do not mean to try to warn you about anything. Just remember than you have been warned about the depth of failure and shame that stupid feministic dogma can lead to – emme about ready to slit her own throat just because… that is what her thoughts and feelings tell her to do.

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  576. @Rum:

    I understand. Thank you.

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  577. @doug1:

    But shouldn’t men play a role in raising their children?

    I know my father’s been a huge positive influence on me.

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  578. Mandy —

    Oh YES.

    (btw, I intuitively really like you. Which means it’s a wide gathering of into, that I haven’t subjected to logical parsing, but it’s there. I need to answer your “but I don’t like cheating” comment. It’s a big topic. I don’t like cheating either.)

    Just not infants. Not men’s strengths. Women’s instead.

    The opposite is teenagers. Men needed. Big time. Strong and confidant men in fact. For both sexes of teenagers.

    It transitions between.

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  579. Joel —

    Hollow points are LEGAL in the People’s Republic of California. Though not the PRNJ. They are also standard for LEO, since they tend to stay in bad guys and not pass through like ball ammo into bystanders etc. Cho reloaded numerous times, easy to rush him. Yes Hollow points are pretty nasty to get shot with. But Cho was killing EVERYONE. Your chances of surviving by doing nothing and hiding under your chair? Zero. Doing something? At least you have a chance.

    The “real” alphas IMHO are guys like Ed McMahon. Yeah, but a Marine Fighter pilot in WWII AND Korea. Shocking. The guy seemed a buffoon, but faced real death, daily, for years. Including high Gs, massive discomfort, and bottom line killed other dudes before they could kill him. Ed McMahon!

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  580. @doug1:

    I agree with you 100%.

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  581. PA:

    In my view, the Left, as slippery and hard it is do define, is something real, something most people instinctively know when they see.

    It could be that the Left (whatever it is) recalibrated its goals to suit its modern, prosperous, post-industrial context and kept on marching.

    In my opinion, Marxism-Leninism and the Anglo-Saxon Left are best viewed as two historically distinct traditions that sprang from different sources, although of course there has been some mutual influence. When it comes to the Anglo-Left, I think the Unqualified Reservations view is broadly correct — it can be identified with the ever evolving and leftward-shifting ideology of the Anglo-Protestantism’s left wing. (The rest, of course, soon follows — the rightmost fringe that is still generally considered sane is typically falling behind by a few decades.) Some paleocon authors have referred to this phenomenon as the “Protestant Deformation,” although I think Mencius of UR is more perceptive when he sees it as a continuous natural evolution with relatively minor side-influences, rather than a “deformation” due to external factors that happened at some particular point in history.

    Today’s multiculti/feminist/diversity battlecries are still the same international revolution, but by different and less crude means.

    I believe that their advances outside the bounds of the Anglosphere have been so successful and seemingly unstoppable for two reasons. First, their ideology is almost perfectly tailored to appeal to the young and fashionable. Second and more important, it’s important to understand that it’s spreading into a vacuum. The cataclysms of the 20th century — and in some cases, even earlier events starting around the time of the French Revolution — have destroyed all other independent political and ideological traditions within the Western world.

    Take Poland as an example. Today’s Poland may call itself Rzeczpospolita, but the real Rzeczpospolita with its authentic institutions and traditions — the Golden Liberty, and nihil novi, and magnates, and szlachta… — was obliterated in 1795, and will never come back. It is no more possible to revive it today than it would be possible to resurrect the Akkadian Empire. So, modern post-WW2 Poland could be rebuilt only according to the models of Soviet Marxism or the American New Deal liberalism, these being the only two surviving political traditions at the time. Because Poland was occupied by the USSR, it followed the former model, but now that the USSR has disappeared, the options have been reduced to only the latter — and pretty much all the open ideological issues boil down to whether and to what extent the country should keep up with the most recent postmodern developments in Anglo-liberalism relayed via Brussels. Like elsewhere, the conservative elements are merely trying to freeze the situation roughly at where the previous generation of Anglo-liberals stood, just before the multiculti/feminist/diversity innovations became the orders of the day. A similar story could be told about pretty much any other European country, of course.

    In any case, this is the real problem with the ideology of the postmodern left — unlike Soviet Communism, it’s spreading all around the world, or at least all around the Western world, truly voluntarily and spontaneously. Rulers like Lukashenko or Putin have to resort to pretty harsh repression and censorship to prevent it from spreading into their domains, which makes it seem like it really has no civilized alternative. I am sounding horribly pessimistic now, but I think we need to honestly assess the situation before we can even imagine any real alternative, rather than just cheering for the loser team.

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  582. Vladimir, good points, and I think it was either Victor Davis Hanson or someone like him who noted that Poland was a test case in the 1600 and 1700’s of what not to do in running a nation.

    The Poland of 1688 arguably saved Vienna and the Holy Roman Empire from Turkish Ottoman annexation and conquering. The Poland of 1795 was gone forever as you noted. The institutions and characters of Polish government and leaders were good at preventing tyranny at home but ineffective at stopping foreign conquerors. Despite similarly weak, non-defensible borders Prussia being able to essentially conquer Germany.

    Clearly, native traditions have not survived even in the US, or UK, which were victorious in WWII, and never conquered. Much of WHY Leftism spreads has to do IMHO with women.

    Women are hypergamous, i.e. demand men who are higher power and status than they are. Soft, postmodern Leftism is like having the View rule your country. Which is really what the postmodern Left is all about — rule by women due to gender bloc voting. Voting themselves benefits, denying to their great and hated rivals, Straight White Beta Men, creating a nanny welfare state that cannot keep Muslims from blowing up buses but sends people to jail for putting the wrong stuff in their recycling bins (and has a police force to enforce it to boot). A male police state tyranny would have harems for the rulers, brutal killing for the hard boys, and general looting and killing. Think Saddam, Kim Jong-Il, Chavez, Mussolini, and Franco. There’s always goose-stepping parades. Those type of states and leaders LOVE parades, and military hardware.

    “The Dog that Did not Bark in the Night-time” to quote a Sherlock Holmes line, is how ALL postmodern leftists cut military spending to nothing. That’s a FEMALE response, right there. Your standard issue Left/Right dictator LOVES his military, he loves it so much he usually has three or four of them just to watch each other. With a general round of killing to purge the more imaginative and ambitious hard boys who think THEY ought to occupy the top chair. In the postmodern Left, it’s a social ostracism and View-like hate.

    I mean, there’s a reason WHY all this stuff spread around the world. WOMEN. Women with equal income/status to men will ALWAYS vote Postmodern Hard Left. Pretty much ALL women are Feministing types.

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  583. To D.A. about welfare defining a white nation. I think they have welfare in Asian countries.

    Maybe D.A. hasn’t noticed that most parts of America don’t look very white these days. I think our time as a white nation is over.

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  584. Emme
    “Would’ve left a comment, but had to sign in, and that would’ve led you back to my WP blog, and we all know what would happen then…”

    What would have happened? I would have read it and left an insightful comment? Hardly a cause of ruination.

    For I turned off the record registration flag so feel free to leave comments, witty, berating, angry, happy, or whatever.

    As for why you returned here?
    Same reason any of us do, really. This blog has a tendency to suck people in….

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  585. joe, and novaseeker, on freedom in [email protected]

    We are not dealing in absolutes, anyone with an ounce of discernment can see that a place may be relatively free in some areas, and less free in others. most of my European friends are in the habits of seeing the freedoms and social liberties of their lands, but blithly ignoring the restrictions on personal liberty and reasoning them away as sane and just limits to out of control human behavior.

    One of my ex’s is very liberal, and progressive, by European and American standards alike, but personally loathes a good deal of the social policy both in her native land, Germany, as well as in a number of other European and Canadian environments she’s lived in. Living a good deal of her life in the USA gave her perspective to compare both government and life here, and there, and apply a nuanced understanding of the relative natures of both.

    Worldliness, traveling, and an ounce of perspective all does wonders.

    End shot: The USA is relatively free in many ways, and less free in others. The EU, and Germany in particular, are relatively free in many ways, and less free in others. The devil’s in the details. I personally favor unrestricted gun ownership over open booze container laws in the public. And the right to HOMESCHOOL my kids over the state’s sending in jackbooted officers to arrest 16 year old girls for choosing homeschooling… It seems, somehow…

    More vital and important.

    That said, in many ways the Germans have a society marked by a remarkable degree of liberty…

    Don’t get me started on the British and their fetish for CCD cameras and inane ineffective public safety policies…

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  586. @whiskey

    somehow, magically, Alphas will construct massive patronage organizations to grab up all the women

    how many people do you think really add value to the US economy? about 2% of Americans work in agriculture/livestock, and feed the other 985 and much of the world.

    take 30% of American men. no more than that is enough to run the economy, once you clean it from its stupid NGO/education/”research” jobs that women love so much. give a woman to each of those 30%, let 10% sheiks at the top share the rest of the women, and pretty much 60% of American men are not only invisible sexually, but also economycally irrelevant and socially powerless, once the 10%+30% decide to fight.

    once America goes the way of California, all the “pseudo” jobs that fed the female emancipation will be wiped out by sheer lack of taxes. the jobs that will remain will be exactly those needed to run an economy.

    we pretty much agree that women are the evil force behind the destruction of the West. what I don’t see is how the men who have lost the war for women in the last 40 years will somehow turn the table in the much rougher environment of the next 40 years.

    go to Roissy’s dating market value. Have you ever fought? real punches, blood in your face? Alphas are much more likely to have fight experience than betas, and alphaness reveals itself among men by a love of risk and that thrill that you feel just before a fight, when your blood boils, you feel it running through every single vein in your body? how exactly are the men who thrill in conflict going to lose in much rougher times to the men that already avoid conflict in the much more bening environment of today?

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  587. Vladimir
    “I think you’re mistaken about this. The Soviet regime certainly did a lot of social engineering, but when it comes to reshaping the basic norms and attitudes in people’s private lives, its policies were definitely not “the most extreme.””

    Initially they were very extreme. Trotsky himself was in favor of more or less abolishing the family and socializing communal child rearing.

    A lot of their very early social engineering experiments either backfired or were undone by Stalin in a jiffy, and more or less written out of the annals of soviet historiography.

    I don’t have references or specific citations, this is from memory based on research I was doing on the early 20th century Left about 10 years ago. If pressed to the wall I could probably dig up decent references for this though..

    The bourgeois ideal of Soviet family and social policy was something that, from memory, Stalin was more interested in. It also resonated with (though despised by the soviets all the same) the ideals of some other non-Comintern aligned streams of Western Socialist thought (such as the streams emerging from the British Fabians, and similar gradualist social democrat / soft socialist movements)

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  588. [email protected]
    “I’ve never been to the UK. But those who know the place — is Whiskey exaggerating Chavism, or is it for real?

    I’m a biased source so take this for what it’s worth..

    In London, yes. Very much so. Also in a few other larger cities.

    In the smaller towns, not so much.. I’ve only bounced through a couple of small towns but I didn’t notice a critical mass of chav-o-rific behavior going on.

    There may be a sort of slight, general drunken loutishness, lurking beneath genteel facades. But no mass thuggry.

    That said, some chavs are pretty cool guys, once you get to know them. Good solid and cool working class guys, a bit rough and hard drinking but cool guys if they like you.

    No different than anywhere else.

    Then of course, you have the non-cool guys – belligerent drunk and stupid douche bags, who have no class or grace and the social manners of refined orangutans.
    And – of course – their are their shrill Burberry wearing, prolifically promiscuous slapper single mom girlfriends.

    I noticed a lot of them. It’s like everywhere, Jersey, NYC, Chicago, certain parts of OC… some people are cool. And some people are douches. This is a very human thing that certain social trends can accelerate and accentuate..

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  589. on June 29, 2009 at 9:51 am mandy been here a while

    Vladimir

    “In any case, this is the real problem with the ideology of the postmodern left — unlike Soviet Communism, it’s spreading all around the world, or at least all around the Western world, truly voluntarily and spontaneously. Rulers like Lukashenko or Putin have to resort to pretty harsh repression and censorship to prevent it from spreading into their domains, which makes it seem like it really has no civilized alternative. I am sounding horribly pessimistic now, but I think we need to honestly assess the situation before we can even imagine any real alternative, rather than just cheering for the loser team.””

    I suspect that we will just have to wait until it gets bad enough. They will start to run out of money for their hairbrained schemes and crime will continue to skyrocket. The “left” will continue to be oblivious to the fact that their policies cause this and vote more furiously for them hastening society decline. Then out of the chaos something will happen. But it will probably be worse, like sharia or a genocidal racial war.

    I work with a guy from the Ukraine and he said he had more freedom in the USSR then in the US. I asked him about daily life and it was certainly a different perspective than I’d ever heard. He said extended families typically lived near each other and saw each other regularly. People could work close to home and not be forced to move thousands of miles away from where they grew up and is common here.

    He lamented that no one told him how bad the schools are here.He said his college graduate daughter knows less than elementary students in the USSR. His son moved across the country so he rarely sees his grandkids. He also said the American government controls the Ukraine like a puppet and that is not in the interest of Ukranians.

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  590. One finds the most interesting people on this blog. The very interesting discussion between Vladamir and Whiskey on the Soviet policies on the family while in a topic on pop singer.

    Anybody ever read Voeglin?

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  591. Vlad,

    Who is the notable person saying that the American government controls Ukraine? Is it Pukey? (Putin)

    Mathematics is definitely strong over there and they have produced a lot of solid quality computer science folks.

    But in terms of families staying together, that must be historical. Even before the global downslide, Ukraine was facing very tough economic issues due to the long hangover from communism. And since the communists were the first to become capitalists, they mirrored the robber barons of early 20th century America.

    Didn’t do a lot of good for the average person who didn’t have a clue as to what to do in the new order of freedom.

    Extended families now are littered over nations, not the neighborhood. Ukraine is losing population at a fast rate due to the economic issues.

    Your buddy must be from eastern Ukraine where russification is the order of the day and aligning with imperial Moscow is the key to getting along.

    If Ukraine “took orders” from the US, it would be in NATO and signing the EU treaty already. And the nation’s finances and economy would be much further along.

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  592. on June 29, 2009 at 11:25 am mandy been here a while

    It was just someone I work with from the Ukraine,not anyone “notable” or in power. His observation is that the USA calls all the shots and keeps the economy from developing. I cannot confirm nor deny the truth to this statement.

    But in terms of families staying together, that must be historical.

    True, He said this is what it was like in the USSR, before he left.

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  593. Our chances in Ukraine are slipping away. A coalition of Tymoshenko and Yanukovych will likely take over and – at the very least – be sympathetic towards, if not outright supportive of, Russian influence.

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  594. I wish there were more governments like N.Korea in the world – radically authoritarian but relatively harmless. They provide the most fascinating experiments in human development.

    I read somewhere that the average N.Korean has gone from being slightly taller than their Southern brethern before 1948 to approximately eight inches shorter (5’8″ vs. < 5') today – all from differences in nutrition.

    I'd be very curious to see what a people would look like after several generations of true communal child raising like Brave New World. Of course we can make speculations, but I'm sure there'd be fascinating unforeseen consequences.

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  595. on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 am mandy been here a while

    another thing he said that was really interesting was that when he got over here, his childrens’ teachers would praise how well they learned. He said in the Ukraine praise was rare and criticism was the norm.

    So he had a very inflated sense of how much they were learning and was disappointed to realize that empty accolades are the norm in the US.

    As you can imagine, the end product is people who think they know quite a bit and know nothing compared to a more humble, knowledgable person.

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  596. on June 29, 2009 at 11:46 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Chuck,
    the main purpose of this blog is to help men realize that giving the world to a woman for a “lap dance” like most men would do, is not the way to actually do well with women. taking the lap dance for granted and being of the mindset that there are plenty of lap dances to come and it is worth holding out for quality is the male’s ticket to freedom. roissy has actually helped men put this into perspective and act accordingly.”””””””””””””””’

    Chuck nailed the fuck out of this one. Needs its own post.

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  597. on June 29, 2009 at 11:47 am the_alpha_male

    Beat it is EVH’s best guitar solo and one of my favourite guitar solos of all time imo.

    It is also my favourite MJ tune.

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  598. on June 29, 2009 at 11:48 am Gunslingergregi

    I am still alive barely stomach problems blow. I need till february to retire. Fuck one more problem and I am home. Life not like a box of chocolattes can’t plan shit.

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  599. The Ukrainian does have a point; it is not as if we here do not mock the US educational complex.

    On the other hand, since he is a fuckwit ingrate, ask him how his family liked Uncle Joe’s forced famines and if he enjoyed hearing the stories of millions of dead Ukrainians. Did he jack off to them?

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  600. on June 29, 2009 at 11:51 am Gunslingergregi

    Try to go to sleep and then agonizing pain for hours. Don’t know what the fuck. Only thing stops it is some nice morphine. Got 3 meds to kill protozoa. It sucks to actually find out you are human. No tears though so I don’t feel so bad about letting one fall when I thought my wife had cancer he he he

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  601. “The “left” will continue to be oblivious to the fact that their policies cause this and vote more furiously for them hastening society decline.”

    Humorous related anecdote:

    When I was attending university, I knew some guys in College Democrats. I was arguing with one guy about the effect that welfare had on the black family, at one point pulling out a graph that rather clearly indicated that welfare was equivalent of a declaration of war on the black family. He looked at it and said, “that just means we didn’t spend enough money.”

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  602. 1) Emme – You’re out of your depth here. Whiskey was freakin *owning* you earlier. Your girlish “who cares about stupid math, I have a vaj!” response coupled with other mindless empty platitudes is turning you into Lady Rain The Younger. (And doug1 seems to have really gotten to you, eh? Amiright? /Hi-fives other commenters.)

    2) Re MJ & the accusations: A number of people were earlier asserting that the Gloved one was tried twice, and acquitted twice (thus insinuating that he was likely innocent and the victim of gold-diggers). The assertion is false. MJ was accused twice, acquitted once, and *settled out of court for 23 MILLION DOLLARS* the other time. 23 million. T w e n t y T h r e e M i l l i o n. What we can conclude from that settlement, at minimum, is that MJ himself had 23 million reasons to think he’d be convicted. I wonder why?

    3) Overconsumption of porn as unhealthy and counter-productive: Nice work Obsidian and Novaseeker. Spot on.

    4) Great discussion everyone about Marxism, Bell-Curve, Anglo-Saxon culture, Putnam’s thesis..for reals. The comments section in this blog can be really great. Lotta legitimately intellectual stuff PLUS the t&a/game/dating debates.

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  603. on June 29, 2009 at 12:45 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig said:

    take 30% of American men. no more than that is enough to run the economy, once you clean it from its stupid NGO/education/”research” jobs that women love so much. give a woman to each of those 30%, let 10% sheiks at the top share the rest of the women, and pretty much 60% of American men are not only invisible sexually, but also economycally irrelevant and socially powerless, once the 10%+30% decide to fight.

    Gig, you are on crack is you think the American Big Bosses are willing to ‘share the wealth’ with 40% of the male population.

    Have you seen the wealth distribution in America? America’s top 1% are the wealthiest Top 1% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    That’s not maintainable if you ‘share’ with 39 other people.

    They don’t share with men who are in the top 10% leadership/intelligence/production/social ability, and they sure as HELL ain’t sharing with a ‘loser’ who is merely better than them in all the above categories.(Since America’s Wealthy typical got if from their Daddy, who got it from their Daddy, who got it from the government).

    Will some Alpha worshiping twit please spit out ‘Bill Gates’ as the counter-example? Come on, line yourself up for the sucker-punch.

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  604. Have you seen the wealth distribution in America? America’s top 1% are the wealthiest Top 1% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Our Bottom 99% are also the wealthiest Bottom 99% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Engineer – what do you mean by ‘share’? You’re using it very vaguely.

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  605. on June 29, 2009 at 12:57 pm mandy been here a while

    Seeking Alpha
    Our Bottom 99% are also the wealthiest Bottom 99% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Will Rogers said “America is the only nation where you drive your OWN car to the poor house.”

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  606. mandy:

    I work with a guy from the Ukraine and he said he had more freedom in the USSR then in the US. I asked him about daily life and it was certainly a different perspective than I’d ever heard. He said extended families typically lived near each other and saw each other regularly. People could work close to home and not be forced to move thousands of miles away from where they grew up and is common here.

    Well, people are always nostalgic for their youth, even if it was pretty bad by all objective standards. The USSR was by no means a nice place to live in any period in its history, and if this is the general gist of what he’s telling you, you shouldn’t take him too seriously. Of course, human life is complex and people have different preferences, so it’s impossible to rank countries on a perfect linear scale when it comes to freedom and quality of life. Yet, the level of repression and poverty throughout the existence of the USSR can’t possibly be compared with anything that went on in the U.S. around the same time. You shouldn’t read my above comments as any sort of praise or sympathy for the Soviet system.

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  607. SmartyJones,

    I think you’re replying to someone else’s comment, not mine.

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  608. “America’s top 1% are the wealthiest Top 1% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.”

    Comparative to what that wealth can buy? Hardly. Crassus owned some huge chucks of Rome, could field armies of tens of thousands out of the cash in his wallet. And he wasn’t the only one.

    “Since America’s Wealthy typical got if from their Daddy, who got it from their Daddy, who got it from the government”

    Not true at all. The overwhelming majority are self-made. Wealthy women do tend to be of the married-into-it-and-divoced-him sort.

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  609. you are on crack is you think the American Big Bosses are willing to ’share the

    I pointed that the current standard of living in the US could be maintained by a much smaller workforce, once the non-wealth generating jobs were eliminated.

    I also ask you how many Bill gates do you think exist in Russia or Brazil. Once America gets closer to Russia and Brazil, google Daniel Dantas or Mikhail Khodorkovsky to know how the big guys behave outside the anglo-saxon order.

    In an order that favors agressive and well-connected men, the link between alpha among women and alpha among men becomes much stronger

    Many people here entertain the dream of a beta revolution. To those I ask: if they lose now, where America still gives unlimited economic opportunity (just compare it with the Rest of the world) to betas, how are they supposed to beat more agressive guys in a society where economic opportunity gets concentrated in the hands of alpha guys? How are more passive men supposed to win against more agressive guys in an even more agressive society?

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  610. on June 29, 2009 at 1:48 pm mandy been here a while

    Vladimir,

    I get the impression I’ll never have a full understanding of Soviet life. But the daily details interest me very much. Were small, independent churches tolerated? For example could people meet in someone’s home and worship or was all religion forbidden?

    The Soviet system does seem to produce more desirable qualities in women, if I am to believe a lot of what American men say about Eastern European women. Maybe it is just that the Anglospere has gotten so spoiled that anything is better?

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  611. “Since America’s Wealthy typical got if from their Daddy, who got it from their Daddy, who got it from the government

    this is the left at its best. an exogenous justification for one’s failures plus a justification based on and fed upon pure envy.

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  612. on June 29, 2009 at 1:51 pm SmartyJones

    Sorry Vlad, it was misdirected to you instead of “mandy been here a while.”

    You are obviously clear headed about the realities of the Soviet system and the Western retread versions popping up in the West.

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  613. The Soviet system does seem to produce more desirable qualities in women, if I am to believe a lot of what American men say about Eastern European women. Maybe it is just that the Anglospere has gotten so spoiled that anything is better?

    I think more likely adversity of any kind makes better humans – male and female. In adversity-free middle-class America, you get character-less male slackers and character-less female maneaters… generally speaking.

    It’s also why men and women were much better during the Great Depression or World War 2.

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  614. 2 weeks before MJ died i saw on the news, that some previous manager of MJ told, that the No one should buy tickets for the concerts coz they will never happen, what a coincidence is this!!?

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  615. baby boomers got screwed in the Eastern Bloc. they didn’t have a woodstock, only commie youth camps. and when the whole thing went down, instead of the fat pensions baby boomers are entitled to in the West, they were simply denied any welfare payment due to the total collapse of the State finances.

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  616. what a coincidence is this

    the mossad killed him because he would make a concert in gaza. his doctor is a black jew from Ethiopia

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  617. Im not a huge fan of conspiracy theories, but this one was to big for me. 2 weeks before he dies i hear it on the national news, cmon, give it some credit.

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  618. on June 29, 2009 at 2:26 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig stepped up to the sucker punch with a smile on his face:

    I also ask you how many Bill gates do you think exist in Russia or Brazil. Once America gets closer to Russia and Brazil, google Daniel Dantas or Mikhail Khodorkovsky to know how the big guys behave outside the anglo-saxon order.

    In an order that favors agressive and well-connected men, the link between alpha among women and alpha among men becomes much stronger

    Why, all the Oligarchs of Russia were EXACTLY like Bill Gates. Bill Gates IS how business is done in Russia.

    Bill Gates started small. IBM has some Business that needed doing. They wanted Gary Kildall’s operating system, and they had the political power to take it.

    This wasn’t some trivial thing either, Kildall had already sold his software EXTENSIVELY:

    Kindall had his Ph.D. in computers and had written the most successful operating system of the time, selling over 600,000 copies of CP/M, his OS set the standard at that time.

    Bill proved his Mad Theft Skills to IBM by hiring a cut-out for himself(he was IBM’s cut-out) in the person of Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products. Tim wrote QDOS in six weeks by cutting and pasting Gary Kildall’s operating system. Most of the copy-right notices in the code were removed. Not all though.

    But the Judges, who IBM has CONNECTIONS with, were unable to prosecute IBM for the theft.

    Now, gig, you can debate endlessly how the METHOD OF THEFT was ‘legal’ in Bill Gate’s case and ‘illegal’ in the Russian cases, but really, I don’t care about the METHOD OF THEFT. It really isn’t that big a distinction to me.

    Bill then went on to show more Mad Theft Skills with Quatro Pro, WordPerfect, dBase, and Netscape Navigator.
    Again the courts were powerless against this well connected thief-savant.

    However, we all have benefited from Microsoft’s abusive use of it’s Monopoly power. I’ll give you that. 🙂

    So I won’t comment on the Courts inability to contain Microsoft’s obvious use of a monopoly. Because we, ah, benefit from it! 🙂

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  619. on June 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Raine,
    AR 15

    someone lied to you he he he

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  620. @biktopia

    Obama got him killed. he couldn’t being less famous then an even whiter looking black American.

    @CW

    you don’t have an issue with me. You have an issue with Bill Gates. Also, the oligarchs didn’t invent anything new, they were only bold enough to say that what was formerly “property of the soviet people” was now property of “Roman Abramovich”

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  621. on June 29, 2009 at 2:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””Mandy! XD
    @Virginia Gentleman:

    I know, I cried when I heard that story. As insulting as it may have been, at least it was honorable in that he saved lives. The VT massacres were incredibly frustrating; Cho killed so many talented, amazing people. Some of the students that died were seniors, ready to go on and do amazing things. And what was his answer? “OH I’M ANGRY AT THE WORLD AND CRAZY.”

    I don’t want to sound hateful towards people with mental illnesses, but when someone does this and kills himself without giving any real answer why…””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Mandy the reason why is that their is no condoned way out for you from life. No matter how shitty it gets it is not considered ok to punch your own ticket or get help punching your own ticket. The only way offered is to soldier on in your torment. That is why people do horrible things sometimes to get the courage to end there own life or to at least allow there life to make a statemen.

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  622. Bill then went on to show more Mad Theft Skills with Quatro Pro, WordPerfect, dBase, and Netscape Navigator

    if you know what all those names are, you’d better start having issues with south asians

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  623. on June 29, 2009 at 2:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or sometimes those people look for ways they can be heros but it is not as easy as it looks in the movies to find those situations.

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  624. Kamal S.:

    Initially they [the Bolsheviks] were very extreme. Trotsky himself was in favor of more or less abolishing the family and socializing communal child rearing.

    A lot of their very early social engineering experiments either backfired or were undone by Stalin in a jiffy, and more or less written out of the annals of soviet historiography.

    There were some extremists like that among the Old Bolsheviks, especially among the female ones like Alexandra Kollontai. However, I don’t think Trotsky was among them, and he was the greatest extremist in Lenin’s inner circle on pretty much all issues. They were never taken seriously by Lenin, and Stalin eventually killed nearly all of them, along with the other proto-postmodern types that briefly came to prominence after the Revolution. (For some mysterious reason, Kollontai herself wasn’t killed, but merely moved to distant diplomatic posts.)

    The ultimate irony is that the Soviet leaders understood very well that if they wanted to avoid a demographic disaster and prevent all sorts of social pathology, they had to preserve the traditional family. This was already clear to Lenin. You are right that Stalin pushed things much further in the conservative direction, but his policies were *really* extreme, Pat Robertson-style — complete with a near-total abortion ban, strict puritan censorship of media and entertainment, and even sodomy laws. In any case, except for a few loudmouths that were shut up soon after the Revolution, there was no hint of anything like the social reengineering of family and sexual mores that’s been going on in the West since the sixties.

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  625. @gig, CW – yeah, comparison of Gates to Abramovich et al is ridiculous. Totally different things, totally different environments.

    @seeking_alpha- tymoshenko is 10 points down in the polls now – being blamed for all the economic problems as PM. yanukovich doesn’t need her to win. his image is somewhat rehabilitated these days, even though he’s still a garden-variety post-soviet bandit. what the russians learned from the orange revolution in ’04 is that they have to be *much* more subtle in how they exercise their influence. that said, ukraine is not armenia or kyrgyzstan – there’s a small, fiercely anti-russian element not unlike that in georgia. but it’s basically a minority view.

    the tragedy of the orange revolution is what a weak leader yushchenko turned out to be, despite the courage he showed at that time. i think it’s because the poisoning seriously harmed his health, in ways much more severe than he shows.

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  626. on June 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm Comment_Whatever

    Seeking Alpha said:

    Our Bottom 99% are also the wealthiest Bottom 99% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Mandy been here a while replied:

    Will Rogers said “America is the only nation where you drive your OWN car to the poor house.”

    Well, since the disparity in wealth is greater in America than anywhere else in the globe, and the POOR, who have the LEAST WEALTH in America don’t deserve their wealth, then the Wealthy, who are EVEN MORE FAVORED IN AMERICA, must just be a bunch of lucky clowns, who don’t deserve their wealth at all!

    I’m not claiming that, I’m simply drawing the logical conclusion from what Mandy said. Logically applying her reasoning to the rich as well.

    I know, I know, Mandy would never say that about Rich people! Alpha’s ALWAYS deserve whatever they have! Always! It is the poor who we can safely say NEVER deserve anything! They are the filthy Omega!

    This view is common among women, that’s why rich people gave women the vote, Mandy.

    cptnapalm wrote:

    Comparative to what that wealth can buy? Hardly. Crassus owned some huge chucks of Rome, could field armies of tens of thousands out of the cash in his wallet. And he wasn’t the only one.

    And yet I wasn’t talking about the leaders of the American state. But let’s talk about them. Is the Empire they still command larger than the Empire Crassus commanded? What of Soros’s Colored Revolutions? Oh, and let’s remember the Nukes.

    But hey, you are talking about JUST wealth. So, Captain, let’s talk about JUST wealth.

    Wealthiest men in the World:
    1st-Bill Gates-American
    2nd-Warren Buffet-American
    3rd-Carlos Slim Helú-Mexico(American Satellite)
    4th-Lawrence Ellison-American

    Don’t see any Brazilians.

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  627. on June 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm Comment_Whatever

    Seeking Alpha said:

    Our Bottom 99% are also the wealthiest Bottom 99% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Mandy been here a while replied:

    Will Rogers said “America is the only nation where you drive your OWN car to the poor house.”

    Well, since the disparity in wealth is greater in America than anywhere else in the globe, and the POOR, who have the LEAST WEALTH in America don’t deserve their wealth, then the Wealthy, who are EVEN MORE FAVORED IN AMERICA, must just be a bunch of lucky clowns, who don’t deserve their wealth at all!

    I’m not claiming that, I’m simply drawing the logical conclusion from what Mandy said. Logically applying her reasoning to the rich as well.

    I know, I know, Mandy would never say that about Rich people! Alpha’s ALWAYS deserve whatever they have! Always! It is the poor who we can safely say NEVER deserve anything! They are the filthy O-m-e-g-a!

    This view is common among women, that’s why rich people gave women the vote, Mandy.

    cptnapalm wrote:

    Comparative to what that wealth can buy? Hardly. Crassus owned some huge chucks of Rome, could field armies of tens of thousands out of the cash in his wallet. And he wasn’t the only one.

    And yet I wasn’t talking about the leaders of the American state. But let’s talk about them. Is the Empire they still command larger than the Empire Crassus commanded? What of Soros’s Colored Revolutions? Oh, and let’s remember the Nukes.

    But hey, you are talking about JUST wealth. So, Captain, let’s talk about JUST wealth.

    Wealthiest men in the World:
    1st-Bill Gates-American
    2nd-Warren Buffet-American
    3rd-Carlos Slim Helú-Mexico(American Satellite)
    4th-Lawrence Ellison-American

    Don’t see any Brazilians.

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  628. mandy:

    I get the impression I’ll never have a full understanding of Soviet life. But the daily details interest me very much.

    Then read about it. There are tons of good books written about every aspect of the history of the USSR. If you don’t have the time, at least read the Wikipedia pages, which are far from perfect, but still quite solid. You can’t expect to get a coherent picture from individuals’ offhand comments, either on the internet or in real life.

    Were small, independent churches tolerated? For example could people meet in someone’s home and worship or was all religion forbidden?

    It’s a complex question. The answer depends on the concrete time, place, and religion in question. You can do worse than starting here and following the links.

    The Soviet system does seem to produce more desirable qualities in women, if I am to believe a lot of what American men say about Eastern European women.

    Don’t believe it. It’s another complex issue that was discussed many times on this blog. Overall, the average American man’s view of EE women (assuming he has any) tends to be rather naive. Also, various EE nationalities have very different customs and cultures, so any generalizations are usually mistaken.

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  629. on June 29, 2009 at 2:55 pm Comment_Whatever

    gig said:

    you don’t have an issue with me. You have an issue with Bill Gates. Also, the oligarchs didn’t invent anything new, they were only bold enough to say that what was formerly “property of the soviet people” was now property of “Roman Abramovich”

    What you mean is people Bill stole from, or paid money to(when he had to) inventing things. I’m sure they did.

    I’m sure the Oil Baron’s of Russia’s employees drilled oil wells to. So what? Are we suggesting that without the Alpha to say “DO IT!”, the wells wouldn’t have been drilled? The programmers wouldn’t have wrote the code? Admittedly they probably would have been paid to by someone other than “The Bill”, and I’m sure that would be bad for “The Bill’.

    Fortunately, I’m not “The Bill”. Not caring. 🙂

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  630. Engineer

    I think the majority of people in every socio-economic class are there because of their traits, not because of luck. But that’s a separate discussion.

    You pointed out how wealthy America’s 1% were as if to underline how greedy they are, stealing all that wealth from the more deserving poor.

    A more accurate assessment is that America – as a whole – is richer than any other large nation in history, and therefore all our people, both rich and poor, are better off than their respective classes in any other society, modern or historical.

    The distinction is important.

    If America is built on the backs of the poor and rich people exploit their labor for their own greedy, nespotic ends (a socialist view), then redistributing wealth (direct transfers from rich to poor) will have beneficial outcomes.

    If, however, America is built on the ambition, intelligence, and resourcefulness of the business elite, and the poor are beneficiaries of the unparalleled success of our wealthy, then redistributing wealth would make everyone poorer – and be a loss for everyone.

    Personally I believe the latter. I think – broadly speaking – the only way to close ‘wealth inequality’ is to make the rich poorer. You cannot permanently make a poor man rich because he is generally poor, not because of bad luck, but because of his character traits. Those same traits that make him unable to earn or keep wealth are the same traits that would cause him to piss away any wealth ‘redistributed’ to him.

    Rather than a one-off redistribution, you are left with an unending cycle to try and keep up with (natural) ‘inequality’.

    Wealth generation requires intelligence, ambition, and perseverance. You will find very few poor adults with all three of those qualities.

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  631. Are we suggesting that without the Alpha to say “DO IT!

    alphas have high T levels, and with that they are always exalling pherormones. Those pherormones react with the internal crust of the Earth, augmenting the pressure in the deeper zones and at the same time diminishing the air pressure closer to the surface.

    so alphas can, by sheer manliness, make the oil flow

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  632. I work with a guy from the Ukraine and he said he had more freedom in the USSR then in the US. I asked him about daily life and it was certainly a different perspective than I’d ever heard. He said extended families typically lived near each other and saw each other regularly. People could work close to home and not be forced to move thousands of miles away from where they grew up and is common here.

    Extended families in the USSR lived near each other – in many cases, actually with each other – because they had to, not because they had any choice in the matter. Very few people had the option to pick up and move thousands of miles away to take a better job.

    Nobody in the US is “forced” to move thousands of miles away from where they grew up. People do it because they want to – they’d rather have a bigger income far from family and old friends than have a smaller income and live where they grew up.

    Nice job of making prosperity and opportunity sound like a Bad Thing, though.

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  633. “Bill proved his Mad Theft Skills to IBM by hiring a cut-out for himself(he was IBM’s cut-out) in the person of Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products.”

    This is a blatant lie.

    Seattle Computer Products marketed their CP/M clone. Microsoft got the contract for an OS for the new IBM PC. Microsoft bought a license for it, later buying the company.

    DOS was shit, Windows was shit, Exchange was shit. MS made crap products which succeeded initially off the brand name of IBM and later due to some extremely unethical business practices of their own.

    But that is neither here nor there for the moment, because the primary point is that you are a fucking liar.

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  634. ack, fucked up. MS bought full rights to QDOS, not the company.

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  635. on June 29, 2009 at 3:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””’aoefe
    @mandy xd

    Once apon a time Doug very nicely pointed out to me that the men are okay here fighting their own battles. I don’t think we (women) need to be rude to their challengers (emme). I was very combative with LR in the beginning and once I’d been chastised (in a nice way) I stopped. He’s right they can fight for themselves better than we can, and you know what they really enjoy the fight.

    Admittedly I did use the sling arrows retort but it was too good to pass up but I don’t think we need to say things like “no one cares”. Cuz some of us do and some of us might. ”””””””””””

    What it is nice to see woman take other womans souls and put there ass in check. Men can’t actually do it as well in the real world other woman can do it best going for the complete and total mental annhilation.

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  636. on June 29, 2009 at 3:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Plus it is better when your woman beats another womans ass. I mean you could do it but that wouldn’t be fair would it.

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  637. on June 29, 2009 at 3:25 pm Comment_Whatever

    Seeking Alpha said:

    Our Bottom 99% are also the wealthiest Bottom 99% to have ever existed on the face of the earth.

    Mandy been here a while replied:

    Will Rogers said “America is the only nation where you drive your OWN car to the poor house.”

    Seeking Alpha said:

    You pointed out how wealthy America’s 1% were as if to underline how greedy they are, stealing all that wealth from the more deserving poor.

    A more accurate assessment is that America – as a whole – is richer than any other large nation in history, and therefore all our people, both rich and poor, are better off than their respective classes in any other society, modern or historical.

    ‘more deserving poor’ being defined as 95% of the population. And yes, they have obviously been stolen from.

    http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm

    34% of the wealth is owned by 1% of the people.

    They have 51 times as much wealth as everybody else.

    59% of the wealth is owned by 5% of the people.

    They have 27 times as much wealth as everybody else.

    If the poor are just SO LUCKY to be in America, then the rich, who are even more favored(because they receive a higher percentage of the total wealth than rich people in other countries) are just a bunch of lucky fools. Fools because they whine about how they are abused when they are the luckiest people on the planet.

    Or do you now contend the poor in America AREN’T lucky, since I, with complete unfairness, applied the logic for o-m-e-g-a-s to The Alphas?

    I have divided % Wealth by % Population to give the % of wealth owned by each percent of the population group in the breakdown. Thus, you can easily see that the Top 1% of the population owns more than five times as much wealth per person as the 2-5 percent range.

    Top 1%:34.3 per percent
    Top 2-5%:6.15 per percent
    Top 6-10%:2.46 per percent
    Top 11-20%:1.34 per percent
    Top 21-40%:0.565 per percent
    Top 41-60%:0.19 per percent
    Bottom 40%:0.005 per percent

    It apparently takes 180 average 40-60 percent people to equal the Super-Alpha qualities of the Top 1%.

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