Herb Attack!

First there was this. Then this herb poked his fat head up from his burrow. Then a magnificent specimen of herb was spotted on the concrete plains of a SWPL savannah. Suddenly herbs started springing up everywhere, wearing frontal papooses, inexplicably carrying satchels into nightclubs, and laying their bulbous heads in the laps of girlfriends to be stroked like a pet cat. But none of these squishy shuffling beasts in khaki could inspire the kind of awe, and gag reflex, that the latest discovery has provoked among the world’s top anthropological researchers. Behold… the Mother of All Herbs… the UBER HERB:

herblovesasian

When I first saw this pic, I thought… Will Wilkinson! I mean, just look at their relationship exactness and complementarity. But no, I have been informed that Will does not have an Asian girlfriend. Then I thought… Hope! White and nerdy boyfriend? Check. Wearing healing crystals of Buddharrific transcendence? Nope, not Hope.

A close examination of this blurry photo reveals the embodiment of herbitude — perfect in presentation, flawless in composure, virtuous in cross-legged effeminacy, he is the archetype of the schlumpy herb whose feeble beta posturings are thrown into stark relief (fortuitously for the ninja photographer who risked his serum testosterone level to capture this herb on film) by the annoyed girlfriend stiffly rebuffing his tender ministrations.

The reader who sent this in provides the backstory:

Red Line, Wednesday evening.

This guy was so obviously beta he might as well have had a neon sign on him. He kept looking at her, smiling occasionally. He put his arm around her. He touched her leg the way some shy teenage boy might. He did the talking. He leaned into her. She might as well have been sitting next to a stranger. Her arms were crossed the whole time. Checking BlackBerry. No emotion on her face. When they got up, she got up first, and led the way. She wasn’t even cute; 4-5 at best. The thing was…they were married.

Married! This is what an equalist concept of relationships earns a man — crossed arms and clamped pussies. And this schmendrick looks so shit-eating happy to surrender any shred of manly dominance. I could carve a better man out of a purple saguaro.

OK, you say, instead of pointing and laughing how about some solutions to help this guy? Hey, I aim to please.

I’d begin with the easiest and quickest improvements and work my way up to the more difficult herb-cleansing tasks.

First, style and presentation.

  • I’d have him shave his head. If you’ve got hair like that it’s the only way to go. If his wife protests, even better.
  • NO GODDAMN KHAKI. Ever. Only guys who already possess an understanding of style should attempt khaki. Not herbs wearing high waters.
  • Unbotton the top button on his shirt.
  • Even though this photo is blurry, I can tell his shoes suck. New shoes.
  • Glasses dropped for contacts. Or at least more fashionable eyewear.
  • Perhaps a soul patch to add a hint of edginess. Or a hint of “I’m not a doormat, really.”
  • Tanning booth.
  • Gym membership. Of course, he’d probably gravitate to the treadmill or hip abductor machine. I’d make sure he found his way to the heavy iron.

Next, body language.

  • Uncross your legs, nancyboy. Old men and fruitcups sit like that. Spread em and display the goods. An alpha male loves the thought of impolitely shoving the contours of his mighty package into the viewing angle of scandalized Metro riders.
  • Lean *away from*, not *into*, your woman. A healthy relationship always features the girl cozying up to the man. Egalitarian libertarians like Will Wilkinson who live and breathe in the world of abstraction will never understand this, but women WANT their men to be dominant, despite their claims to the contrary. They WANT to be the ones leaning into him.
  • Stop smiling like an idiot at your girl, especially when she’s not returning your joy. Do you know what your face says? “Oh, I’m wetting myself that I have YOU, my precious flower. Thank you, Asian girlfriend, for blessing me with the exquisite pleasure of your company and tightness of your Oriental vagina. This love we share… wait… excuse me, getting a little choked up… a lone tear pregnant with possibility shouts my love for you. PS You are permitted to walk all over me.”

Finally, we’d move on to LTR game.

  • I’d tell him to pay attention to his wife’s behaviors, and stop feeding her revulsion with counterproductive betaness. So, when wifey folds her arms, scowls, refuses to touch you IN PUBLIC, and generally acts like a bitch, you STOP, DROP, and ROLL the fuck off from her. Pawing at her like a needy puppy isn’t going to help. You know what would help? Flirting with another woman in front of her.
  • Once you’ve figured out how to read your wife’s “you disgust me” body language, you will be tempted in all your glorious betaness to inquire “What’s the matter, honey?”. Resist this urge. You would only be digging the hole deeper.
  • Hey, guess what, it’s OK to tease your wife for being a bitch. “Try not to look so happy, babe. I’m just a man, not a god.”
  • When your marriage is this arid, it’s a good idea to disappear for a week. When you return, act like nothing is wrong.
  • Lead, don’t follow, and don’t “complement”. Your wife wants to step in place behind you, not next to you and not in front of you; stop denying her this fulfillment.
  • Read this blog for relationship game. It may be the only thing that can save you from a brutal divorce theft ass raping.

As I’ve written before, the Asian woman is a white beta male’s dream. Asian girls are guided less by their primitive gina tingles than women of other races, and are more susceptible to the herbly charms of the provider beta, as long as the provider beta in question is a white dude. The white beta male can wallow like a pig-shaped puffed pastry in his desperate, needy, cloying betaness with the Asian girlfriend without worrying so much that she’ll dump him for the nearest bartender. The white beta male would have to settle for a fat white chick to enjoy the same treatment.

But when you’ve become a caricature of a herb, and so beta that your Asian wife is repulsed by you and showing it in public, you’ve got serious problems. You’re one short step down to omegatude and midnight masturbation marathons to Caucasian-eyed anime.





Comments


  1. I like the poster behind them. A man bending over backwards.

    I think the text next to ‘Fact:’ says ‘This woman is fucking someone else.’

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  2. Feel the Wilkinson LUUUUV!!!!

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  3. Great advice.

    However, if you want to keep picking up on younger girls as you get older, stay away from the tanning booth. Honkies age fast, and being under UV doesn’t help. Staying out of the sun is key to continuing to look young.

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  4. Lead, don’t follow, and don’t “complement”. Your wife wants to step in place behind you, not next to you and not in front of you; stop denying her this fulfillment.

    I wrestle with the issue of SWPL/liberal/feminist chicks. On the one hand, they’re women, with womanly desires, but it seems that a good portion of them GENUINELY want to be the leader in the marriage.

    What kind of bizzare re-wiring has gone on in their brains?

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  5. Sad beta. Hopefully he will see this blog and correct his behaviours.

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  6. roissy,

    this calls for more active Evangelism. someone needs to tell guys these things *as they happen*. I wrote a post today about an LJBF situation. I suffered through it because nobody told me what I was doing wrong. Luckily, in place of mall kiosks, pamphlets, or door-to-door gospel readings, this blog serves as beacon of light.

    First off, is it not fitting that the guy in that ad behind the herbivore and wife is bending over backwards?

    Second, look at his arm; the one behind his wife. It’s resting against the glass. He doesn’t know what to do with it. He’s even unsure of himself around his wife. That hand is filled with angst, you can see it.

    Third, that looks like Bryan Caplan from GMU.

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  7. Tupac this rewiring you are referring to us called feminism.

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  8. on September 4, 2009 at 1:33 pm ironrailsironweights

    I’d have to say that keeping the shirt buttoned all the way to the top is a fashion disaster of extreme proportions. It’s almost as Beta as a pocket protector.

    Peter

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  9. What kind of bizzare re-wiring has gone on in their brains?

    In part it’s being raised as an indulged princess, and in part it’s just a shit test.

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  10. i was hoping someone would notice that poster in the background. my god, it’s just so… perfect.

    if it weren’t for the poor focus, the photographer should seriously consider submitting this for exhibition.

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  11. on September 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm ironrailsironweights

    I’ll disagree about the shaved head. A man has to be reasonably bulky to pull off that look. If Mr. Herb hits the gym and gains 20 pounds of muscle he might then be able to shave his head, but until then he’s better off with his hair the way it is, as bad as it looks.

    Peter

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  12. I second Peter

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  13. Any guess as to the professions of these two?

    I will throw a c-note on lawyers.

    – MPM

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  14. Judging by the picture alone, the guy is a rapist and the woman is his soon-to-be victim.

    roissy

    As I’ve written before, the Asian woman is a white beta male’s dream. Asian girls are guided less by their primitive gina tingles than women of other races, and are more susceptible to the herbly charms of the provider beta, as long as the provider beta in question is a white dude.

    And would you consider this a good or bad thing?

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  15. Libertarianism and alphaness aren’t necessarily exclusive. Ayn Rand stated quite elegantly:

    “For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is hero-worship—the desire to look up to man. ‘To look up’ does not mean dependence, obedience or anything implying inferiority. It means an intense kind of admiration; and admiration is an emotion that can be experienced only by a person of strong character and independent value-judgments. A ‘clinging vine’ type of woman is not an admirer, but an exploiter of men. Hero-worship is a demanding virtue: a woman has to be worthy of it and of the hero she worships. Intellectually and morally, i.e., as a human being, she has to be his equal; then the object of her worship is specifically his masculinity, not any human virtue she might lack.”

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  16. I semi-agree with Peter and gig. I agree he needs to be bulkier to make the bald head look outright good, but even at this size the bald head would be enough to make him look somewhat better than he looks currently.

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  17. @ TJF

    why don´t you shoot yourself?

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  18. “First, style and presentation.”

    I think this guy needs to go will well tailored custom suit.

    Maybe go for a Syndicate accountant style look.

    Shady International finance. Or crafty mob lawyer steez.

    He should also hold a cigar, or spark up a cigarette on the metro for style points.

    Hell, if he did that and got his body language right, he might be kind of smooth.

    – MPM

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  19. roissy:

    “if it weren’t for the poor focus”

    no, i think that adds to the essence of the picture. the beta, despite his focused learning and even his fucking glasses still can’t focus on his woman’s obvious disdain for him.

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  20. bald/shaved heads go better with darker skin. besides the gym, this guy needs many hours under the sun

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  21. Apparently one of your commenters knows WW and says he is a bit of a natural.

    Being a natural though has some big dangers. I have said it before: there is nothing more pathetic than a natural who has lost his mojo. Without conscious awareness of what you are doing there are a thousand traps you can fall into and no way of figuring out what it is you started doing wrong. This is particularly dangerous for intellectual types. You can start to really believe your own propaganda that being equal (or being chivalrous or whatever) is what makes your relationship work. If WW does well with the ladies, it is because he is unconciously practicing dominance over them. Equalist mumbo jumbo may be the social lubrication that helps the dominance go down easier with a rather strident feminist like Kerry Howley, but it is the dominance not the equalism that is creating the attraction. If he starts practicing too much equalism, the relationship will go south.

    P.S. KH has been coy about this, but she may be part Asian.

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  22. sigh. you never waited for my post. the ‘bending over backward’ symbolism is priceless.

    cheah – now we know what Twat Wyler looks like.

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  23. Regarding the bald head:

    He also might be able to go the other way and grow his hair out longer.

    Kind of like a Sean Penn in Carlito’s way stilo.

    For that he would need a custom suit with bold pin-stripes.

    And carry an 8ball of Beeks at all times.

    Could work.

    – MPM

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  24. nah, skinny white guys with bald heads can rock the hipster thick black glasses.

    See, Roissy can make his bucks as a herbal reconstructionist…

    “Pick-up Eye for the Lame Guy.”

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  25. She looks like she’s already having an affair.

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  26. gig

    why don´t you shoot yourself?

    Why don’t you go troll somewhere else?

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  27. An alpha male loves the thought of impolitely shoving the contours of his mighty package into the viewing angle of scandalized Metro riders.

    So in other words, you want him to sit like a nigger?

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  28. Tupac,

    Is Clio really engaged? Is this really true??? Have we lost once and for all the semi-divine and wonderfully pure Clio?? Has all hope been lost for that delightful seduction of such a noble creature, of turning her into a complete nympho, of helping her find that hidden, inner whore? No, even if she is engaged she can still be seduced. It will be just a slightly greater challenge. And I always love a challenge when it comes to pussy. I love knowing the woman I am seducing is a quality conquest.

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  29. on September 4, 2009 at 2:12 pm O but Not Obsidian, although obsidian also

    No David, he wants him to sit like a man.

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  30. nah, skinny white guys with bald heads can rock the hipster thick black glasses.

    You mean the Moby look? That’s a possibility.

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  31. the whole alpha male/beta male distinction really gets misused by some of the commenters. basically, anyone who disagrees with roissy gets labeled a beta. as convenient as that might be, it’s far from the truth.

    will wilkinson is not a beta. his girfriend is quite attractive, he’s well regarded in DC libertarian circles. and he’s got a pretty successful blog. all those things mean that there are plenty of women out there who would do him. that’s roissy’s own definition of alpha. what’s more, before they were together, he and his girlfriend were with other people. when will broke up with his ex-girlfriend, his current girlfriend dumped her boyfriend so she could get with will. that’s not something attractive women generally do for betas.

    all that being said, he offers some very bad advice. if the average beta took wilkinson’s advice, he would have none of will’s success.

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  32. hmmm he’s giving me the creeps . ican’t believe that’s his wife.
    i would definitely want to be the one leaning in/ cuddling up to the guy i’m with.
    the crossed legs need to go.

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  33. A comment on Satchel Herb:

    There are some exceptions to carrying around some form of bag late at night. I have no office, and I run my business off of a laptop with a 3G card. Futures markets are open 24 hours, which means I either get to never go out again on a weekday, or I go out with a bag with my laptop, in case markets blow up and I need to trade quickly.

    Having said that…

    There is absolutely NO FUCKING EXCUSE for having a huge, cheap-ass and obviously almost empty man-bag like the one featured in your first link. First, you minimize the shit that will go in there – I settled on a netbook, the smallest usable PC. Then I chose a small, no REALLY FUCKING SMALL sling bag. It is nearly flat, so it never gets in anybody’s way, and except for summer, can actually be worn underneath jackets and even sweaters, at which point it is almost invisible.

    Caveat: I used to carry a man-purse in the late 1990s – I grew up in Europe, those are acceptable there. It was seen as mildly affected and mildly gay in New York, both of which were pluses back then. It also worked as the ultimate prop at bars – girls always approached to ask about it, because it wasn’t some cheap-ass bag, but a really nice designer piece. It got me a surprising amount of tail in my pre-beta days – especially Russian girls, they LOVED that thing. Alas, this tactic died with the rise of the Metrosexual Age.

    If a motherfucker trading millions of rich-people dollars needs a few cubic inches of shit with him, what the fuck do these morons need with the 8 cubic miles of fucking crap giving hem sciatica?

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  34. Who the heck is will wilkinson?

    “he’s got a pretty successful blog. all those things mean that there are plenty of women out there who would do him”

    I don’t exactly think that having a successful blog helps you get chicks.

    – MPM

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  35. “If WW does well with the ladies, it is because he is unconciously practicing dominance over them. Equalist mumbo jumbo may be the social lubrication that helps the dominance go down easier with a rather strident feminist like Kerry Howley, but it is the dominance not the equalism that is creating the attraction. If he starts practicing too much equalism, the relationship will go south.”

    That was insightful,Thursday.Here’s my slightly different version.”Equalist mumbo jumbo” implies an already existent superiority.Saying,”I think we should be equal,” is sort of like saying,”I’m better than you,but I’ll try and make amends.”

    Another way of looking at it is,the egalitarian is being liberal with whatever makes him superior in an effort to display his hyper-superiority.Like a millionaire who lights his cigars with $100 bills,or the proverbial,”one hand tied behind my back,” or “look mom no hands!”

    This is why when feminism was a novelty,back in the ’60’s and ’70’s,women responded to this nonsense.What registered in their minds was,”hey this guy is a cut above.”

    But as this ethos became more common and mainstream,the novelty wore-off.And we were left with the beta.

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  36. L’Emmerdeur

    If a motherfucker trading millions of rich-people dollars needs a few cubic inches of shit with him, what the fuck do these morons need with the 8 cubic miles of fucking crap giving hem sciatica?

    well, Don Draper
    wouldn’t carry a
    fag
    bag

    nice name, btw

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  37. Who the heck is will wilkinson?

    Will Wilkinsom is the Anti-G.

    RacerX:

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it’s true.

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  38. Notice how the herb doesnt actually touch his precious darling?

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  39. I don’t exactly think that having a successful blog helps you get chicks.

    depends on the blog. i’m sure roissy gets his share of female fan mail that could, or does, lead to more.

    the point is that it’s a for of status, and women dig status.

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  40. I just realized the most amazing thing about this picture:

    Neither of them are fiddling around with an I-Phone.

    – MPM

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  41. y’all get that he’s cute, right? And he sometimes does spots for the econimist? Like, total catnip.

    And that woman doesn’t look angry to me so much as defensive and uncomfortable; I would have guessed she was creeped out by him and didn’t know him.
    (and I’ll take that c-not G; she’s not dressed in DC lawyer uniform. He could be playing around with IP law though. )

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  42. That herb’s got nothing on this guy.

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  43. Guys like that make it easier for guys like me (Russian alpha) to make these girls gina tingle.

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  44. who is hope ?

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  45. hope and change

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  46. Red Line, Wednesday evening.

    Checking BlackBerry. No emotion on her face. When they got up, she got up first, and led the way. they were married.

    This is SOP for Asian girls of any age.

    “me check brackbelly now! you go!”
    “me set up wi-less louter now! irmgee!”

    and whatnot.

    The leading around of the male happens after the trap marriage – and after they decoy you into it, after all the seemingly cheap and easy sex you get from them when single.

    Then the clock strikes midnight, the were-fangs come out; the pussy turns into a pumpkin. Never marry an AZN. EVR

    they are Shanghai Succubii

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  47. novaseeker
    She looks like she’s already having an affair.

    Brutal…just, brutal. But probably not far off the mark. That stupid grin on his face broadcasts his cluelessness about his wife’s chilliness towards him.

    Good points about his left hand just resting on the glass, and not her shoulder. (Like he’s in 8th grade or something.)

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  48. Then I thought… Hope! White and nerdy boyfriend? Check. Wearing healing crystals of Buddharrific transcendence?Nope, not Hope.

    my sides!!

    anyone noticed the guy looks like Neil Strauss before he joined the community?

    Also roissy are you really going to do workshops like roosh used to do?

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  49. What a picture. This may be your calling – a blog of live-action herb pictures. People will just send them to you from all over the world. Kind of like http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com except with a clearer focus and better quality control.

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  50. on September 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm ironrailsironweights

    It’s okay for a man to cross his legs in a casual setting so long as it’s the ankle-over-knee version. Knee-over-knee, like this herb demonstrates, must be avoided in all circumstances.

    Peter

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  51. who’s Neill
    Strauss

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  52. So in other words, you want him to sit like a nigger?

    Yeah, just like this guy.

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  53. “Never marry an AZN. EVR”

    I tend to agree, especially in America.

    But I think if you married a fly Thai girl and had tons of Thai girlfriends that cooked for you, while chilling on a semi-secluded point break, and smoking the local drugs in Thailand, it could be a fun way to live out your days.

    – MPM

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  54. Thanks for the family photo, Roissy.

    At least we know now that you and George Sodini have one thing in common. Your brothers are both married to Asian chicks.

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  55. Yes, Roissy, who is Hope?

    Secondly, I don’t live in DC (am in NYC), so I don’t know the social scene down there; however, I like Will’s blog. Why dis him?

    [editor: he wrote a really dumb blog post about the “mancession”.]

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  56. yeah, he’s got extreme knee over knee…detachable penis syndrome. He’s probably wondering when she’ll give it back to him, “C’mon, honey, take it out of the purse, at least let me hold it.”

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  57. Futures markets are open 24 hours, which means I either get to never go out again on a weekday, or I go out with a bag with my laptop, in case markets blow up and I need to trade quickly.

    retail traders are beta.

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  58. on September 4, 2009 at 2:46 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    The woman is better than a 4-5. It is too blurry to see her face and a frown is always unattractive, but she has nice legs, and could very well be in the 6-7 range, depending on the face.

    Never marry an AZN. EVR

    An Asian woman has no more negatives than a white woman, but has some positives above a white woman (ages more slowly, does not get fat, makes more money).

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  59. I know a guy like the beta in the photo – and when he hugs and leans into his woman, I want to pick him up and throw him, then brutally kick him to death.

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  60. Lance

    i’m sure roissy gets his share of female fan mail that could, or does, lead to more.

    it could be inferred that the bulk o’ the bush are virginal, well-meaning, but untouchable goddess-type pedestal trophies like kassyk. The rare pop-princess you could take camping for a week, toss down a hill and drag by the hair into the tent would be finefantastic! – provided she cleans up good

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  61. “Never marry an AZN. EVR”

    This sentence should have ended at Never Marry. I agree that Asian chix are the last, great refuge of the beta/omega. BUT, it is still rare to see an 8, 9, or 10 Asian with a Herb. Alpha attraction rules still apply to the upper hot echelons of Asian poonhana. Most SWPL Herbivores with Asian girlfriends or wives max out in the 6 and 7 range. These women only look hotter because they’re standing next to White Urkels. In reality, they’re just average. Who scores the hottest Asians? Alpha males.

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  62. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    An Asian woman has …some positives above a white woman (ages more slowly, does not get fat, makes more money).

    damn. you just laid out
    Margret Cho’s
    Resume
    sorta

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  63. Hardcore quizzed:

    Who scores the hottest Asians?

    The village
    shaman

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  64. Ovid–

    Another way of looking at it is,the egalitarian is being liberal with whatever makes him superior in an effort to display his hyper-superiority.Like a millionaire who lights his cigars with $100 bills,or the proverbial,”one hand tied behind my back,” or “look mom no hands!”

    This is why when feminism was a novelty,back in the ’60’s and ’70’s,women responded to this nonsense.What registered in their minds was,”hey this guy is a cut above.”

    But as this ethos became more common and mainstream,the novelty wore-off.And we were left with the beta.

    There’s something to that actually.

    Though it was more than possible to be beta with too much equalist enthusiasm in the 70s too. A certain amount of it, and some tip service, yes. The thing is one had to have some dominance and alpha confidence to supposedly generously share.

    Same now really, or almost. There’s no longer ANY assumption that a plausible guy has dominance unless he’s known by rep or pre-demoted by the social proof of hot girl(s) hanging on.

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  65. Dude, nice makeover content.

    Tell you what, you find yourself a shrill yenta sidekick, and all the bitches (and fags) in Bravo-land are yours to command.

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  66. Who scores the hottest Asians?

    Not Lucifer.

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  67. It looks like Buster Bluth from Arrested Development

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  68. on September 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm 54-Year-Old-Virgin

    The asian woman is a dog! Maybe she’s mad at this guy because she caught him screwing some other chick? Look at that devil may care grin he’s got on his mug. he may be an alpha after all. “Come on baby,” he seems to be saying,”she wasnt nothin’! I just fucked her…I make LOVE to you…” Ya think? No?

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  69. 54-Year-Old-Virgin

    The asian woman is a dog! Maybe she’s mad at this guy because she caught him screwing some other chick? Look at that devil may care grin he’s got on his mug. he may be an alpha after all. “Come on baby,” he seems to be saying,”she wasnt nothin’! I just fucked her…I make LOVE to you…” Ya think? No?

    maybe it’s your age, or all those “witty” movies, but you’ve got the Mia Farrow, Soon-Yi – Woody Allen script mixed-up.

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  70. 54-Year-Old-Virgin,

    Maybe she’s mad at this guy because she caught him screwing some other chick?

    You may be right if you replace “screwing some other chick” with “getting anally piledriven by a well-hung Norwegian”

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  71. Well if she dumps him he can always go for her:

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  72. “DA:So in other words, you want him to sit like a nigger?”

    Self-hatred is hideous.

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  73. Khakis are that bad huh?

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  74. Dudes totally a “Charisma Man”

    and by that I mean with no charisma whatsoever – It’s a comic strip calling out beta/herbs who head to Japan because of this strange asian attraction to white herbs

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  75. on September 4, 2009 at 3:43 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Who scores the hottest Asians?

    Not Lucifer.

    Loserfer can’t even score the better looking Asian GAY GUYS.

    Loserfer is the dreg of the dreg of the dreg.

    Unwanted even by Al-Qaeda recruiters.

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  76. MKS

    Dudes totally a “Charisma Man”

    and by that I mean with no charisma whatsoever – It’s a comic strip calling out beta/herbs who head to Japan because of this strange asian attraction to white herbs

    http://karatethejapaneseway.com/photos/charisma_man_01s.jpg

    The Western women in the comic aren’t fat enough to be accurate.

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  77. Stop being mean to Will Wilkinson.

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  78. Roissy pines for DP from Tyler Cowen and Will Wilkinson.

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  79. He’s not a beta, he’s an omega.

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  80. @ Firepower

    Agreed. I have found myself looking to the Don Draper character for inspiration as well. Then again, if I could smoke, drink and bang girl staff with impunity, I wouldn’t be so allergic to working out in an office.

    It’s how you behave when sporting said “fag bag”. If you are a large, manly sort with intimidation issues (that’s me), you need something to soften you up a touch. Again, I would never use one these days, I’ve found alternatives to making me a tad more “approachable” without resorting to metrosexual gimmickry.

    @ Dolph

    Yes, retail traders are deep beta. Excellent observation! I’m not sure how this relates to my comment.

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  81. It would be funny if the guy in the photo stumbled across this post.

    [editor: suicide watch. for all the asian guys turned down by his wife.]

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  82. Given this video evidence, how would you rate Hitler on the omega-alpha scale, Roissy?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/6138037/Adolf-Hitler-sex-video-condemned-by-Aids-charities.html

    Oh, and remember kids, just days after he got married, he shot AND poisoned himself.

    [editor: that video was hot. the message was all lies of course. now if hitler had been buttfucking goebbels as as anti-aids message, that would make more sense.]

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  83. “and by that I mean with no charisma whatsoever – It’s a comic strip calling out beta/herbs who head to Japan because of this strange asian attraction to white herbs”

    This is quite easy to explain in HBD terms.

    The mean cognitive/personality profiles between these two groups, Caucasians and East Asians, vary. East Asians, both men and women, tend to be more shy, introverted, neurotic, etc., relative to other groups, and these traits are generally inversely related to things like social dominance, aggression, i.e. ‘alpha’ characteristics.

    So a white beta/herb/omega in Japan finds himself in a population with a different mean and distribution of cognitive/personality profiles, and is thus comparatively less shy, introverted, neurotic, that is less ‘beta’, and more ‘alpha.’

    Those who haven’t spent time in an East Asian country may nevertheless be able to relate to this. If you find yourself in a social setting where the other men are very herby betas/nerds, you can often catch yourself acting reflexively more confident, dominant, and alpha. And in a social setting with many socially/physically dominant alpha type men, you’ll often find yourself reflexively acting less alpha and dominant. This of course depends on where you are on the spectrum – the most dominant alphas will be alphas virtually everywhere – but it generally holds for most guys.

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  84. I’ll admit that this is a terrible picture of my wife and me, but you shouldn’t categorize me as a total loser based on one snapshot.

    The photo was taken at 11:30 at night. She was tired and feeling a little bit queasy because of something she ate that night.

    Those of you who claim to be “players” should have enough experience with relationships to know that no woman can be “on” constantly. She was worn out. Give her (and me!) a break.

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  85. So a white beta/herb/omega in Japan finds himself in a population with a different mean and distribution of cognitive/personality profiles, and is thus comparatively less shy, introverted, neurotic, that is less ‘beta’, and more ‘alpha.’

    True enough. BUT, the major difference between gaijin Alphas and gaijin Betas in Japan, Korea, etc are that Alphas engage in pump and dump behaviour whereas Betaherbs tend to marry the first Asian chick they hook up with while abroad. Spend any time in an Asian country and compare the white ex-pats who are married to a local Asian and those who are not. Alphas do not marry. They plow trim with reckless abandon.

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  86. I love this blog with all my heart/

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  87. on September 4, 2009 at 4:31 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    LOL this is one of my favorite entries ever, funny shit and very useful and relevant advice to the guy.

    “Gym membership. Of course, he’d probably gravitate to the treadmill or hip abductor machine. I’d make sure he found his way to the heavy iron.”

    Hell yeah! get this guy doing some squats and deadlifts, a starting strenght/Rippetoe type program is practically designed for guys like him. That and a gallon of milk a day and we can turn him into a frothing beast in no time.

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  88. I hope DCDude is real.

    Khakis are OK if they’re flat front.

    The socks push it over the top.

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  89. Sofia: on the khakis, it was laundry day.

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  90. DCDude,

    I generally have zero issue with khakis, but there a multitude of issues at work here that suggest even if she was feeling “on”, she would still come off as way out of your league.

    I would suggest taking some of these tips to heart, just as an overall measure of self-improvement. Eat more protein for one. You’re too thin. She needs to feel protected.

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  91. Khakis are OK if they’re flat front.

    Unless you’re mowing down Zulus or hunting big game – khakis are never ok.

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  92. Khakis look good on this guy.

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  93. I am not physically capable of gaining weight. In college I weighed 135. Now I struggle to maintain 150. Lifting weights doesn’t help, and my metabolism is ridiculously fast. I probably eat 3000 calories per day and I can’t gain a pound.

    Womens’ preference for beefy men is a sign of low civilization and poor breeding. Refined women don’t need to feel “protected”. Protected from what, saber-tooth tigers?

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  94. DCDude,

    I didn’t say I have a preference for “beefy men”, just someone who looks substantially weighted down so that they won’t get blown away by a gust of wind.

    It’s not about a literal feeling of protection, though it can be. It’s about having something comforting and strong to hold.

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  95. In any case, work on what you can. You already have a cute wife.

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  96. DC Dude,

    If you are for real…which I suspect you are not…the biggest thing is the leg crossing. Everything else is pretty trivial and on the whole you and your wife are a pretty good match appearance wise.

    But never cross your legs like that. If you absolutely have to cross them, do it foot on knee…but even that is only for a few situations.

    How do you even manage to sit like that without squashing your junk.

    All-in-all I’m sure its not AS bad as Roissy makes it out…but dude, uncross the legs.

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  97. Womens’ preference for beefy men is a sign of low civilization and poor breeding. Refined women don’t need to feel “protected”. Protected from what, saber-tooth tigers?

    This kind of sounds like something TJF would say.

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  98. It is kinda sad, but at least the guy appears to be somewhat happy.

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  99. “Lead, don’t follow. Your wife wants to step in place behind you, not next to you and not in front of you; stop denying her this fulfillment.” That reminds me of this example of getting a horse to “join up” by trainer Monty Roberts. Proof of how deep the evolutionary roots go.

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  100. Will Wilkinson is an uber-beta. Have you seen how metrosexual he looks and acts?

    Worse, he’s that rare species of the political fauna called “feminist libertarian” – the most non-reality based, out-of-touch, science-ignoring, fact-push-asiding, annoying creature in the blogosphere.

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  101. Also re: Wilkinson:

    His ‘alpha’ qualities are limited to social status. Sure, he’s friendly and can hold his own in a conversation, but I suspect both he and his girlfriend are utterly clueless about what she really finds attractive about him: his social status. In the DC libertarian environment, a very niche circle, he ranks highly because he’s “progressive”, writes a blog with philosophically-stylish language, and knows a lot of people. He’s social-proofed.

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  102. on September 4, 2009 at 5:11 pm Pretty lies indeed

    WTF is the problem with khakis?? Jeans? That’s the proletarian uniform. No thanks. White? In the summer, and not everyday. Red? On a yacht.

    So? What to wear?

    I dated 7s, 8s, and 9s with khakis. Love khaki.

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  103. DCDude,

    Ditch the glasses and the outfit.

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  104. Khakis can be cool. Hemingway wore them. If you are wearring khakis, just avoid pleated fronts. And no cheap or overwashed looking ones. Herborama.

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  105. Tupac,

    That is tragic news indeed. Clio to be married??? It is hard to believe. I am disconsolate. Still, I know on her wedding night Clio,as her husband awkwardly thrusts his comically tiny and slightly limp penis into her pure, untouched vagina, will be fantasizing about Racer X and what it would have felt like to be ravished by him. I still have hope though. I know like all women she will get bored by and even start to despise her doting husband and when she does Racer X will be waiting to move in for the seduction conquest. Then she will know at last what pure, unbridled and completely forbidden sexual pleasure finally is.

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  106. “So? What to wear?”

    Dress pants/wool pants are nice when it’s colder.

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  107. the problem with khaki is that wearing it causes an effect similar to the handicap principle. that is, if you are a dork, khaki will accentuate your dorkiness. but if you have your act together, a non-pleated, slim fit good quality fabric khaki can help you stand out from a crowd of jeans wearers.

    most guys are herbs who wear herbly khakis. khaki shorts are even worse. if you have no fashion sense, it’s best to go to the stores with someone who does, and who can tell you what looks good and what doesn’t on you.

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  108. “Roissy pines for DP from Tyler Cowen and Will Wilkinson.”

    OMG, you are so right Keith. Wouldn’t that be hot??? If you’re anything like me (and I have a feeling you are, *wink*) we could watch as we gave each other reacharounds!!! Hotness!!!

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  109. Tupac

    I wrestle with the issue of SWPL/liberal/feminist chicks. On the one hand, they’re women, with womanly desires, but it seems that a good portion of them GENUINELY want to be the leader in the marriage.

    No, no, no no no. ALL women, of all races and cultures, genuinely want to be the leader in the marriage, and will do whatever it takes to become that leader. That’s what a shit is – an attempt at dominance.

    What they ALSO want is for you to fight them and win. That’s called “passing” the shit test.

    The reason shit tests never end is no merely because the woman wants to test your dominance. It’s because she actually wants real power over you.

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  110. Hardcore says, “True enough. BUT, the major difference between gaijin Alphas and gaijin Betas in Japan, Korea, etc are that Alphas engage in pump and dump behaviour whereas Betaherbs tend to marry the first Asian chick they hook up with while abroad. Spend any time in an Asian country and compare the white ex-pats who are married to a local Asian and those who are not. Alphas do not marry. They plow trim with reckless abandon.”

    There’s a reason for this that anthropological betas with psychological beta tendencies should be aware of for self preservation purposes. In most Asian cultures, there are very clear lines between hoes and wives. If one doesn’t have the natural ability to tell the difference with a high degree of accuracy, one should take care to learn the usually unspoken rules of their host culture.

    I had to learn this the hard way from the other side, and it was not a fun lesson.

    Hoes and hoe lifestylers (who may not actually be hoes in personality, but end up in that social class either by birth or going against the traditional grain) one can be fairly free with. They’re not going to latch on because they’re not expecting a guy to stick around. On some level the non explicit hoes may seem a bit exploitive because they’ll ask you for money or material things, but this is because they’re keeping it at a level of even exchange. They want to have fun and enjoy the moment, and when you’re done they might be sad, but they’re not going to cut your dick off or something.

    The time to worry is when you get ahold of one who *doesn’t* want anything material from you. These are the good girls who fall for your free western ways, but don’t quite get the free part. They get attached, and a few expats I know have had a period of literal fear with these women. They know that breaking up with them will result in real drama.

    Most anthro betas working overseas can’t afford to have people knowing that they pumped and dumped a good girl. The Asian guys will think you’re sick for dumping a woman who was cooking and cleaning for you, taking care of you when you were sick, etc. who is also at least by their standards, hot. If you break up with her, she will use her connections to bury you…maybe literally. Life is cheap in some places.

    The psychological betas also have guilt about it, and eventually become attached to the women, who having the upper hand, don’t like to let that go. She’ll start having babies, and he’ll be stuck.

    Hoes play some of the same tricks, but have a different way of going about it that an alpha type who is familiar with the culture wouldn’t usually fall for. With a hoe it is an actual trick. With the “good girl” type, it is a kind of manipulation, but she really does want to be a faithful wife to you. She’s just going to freak out if you don’t want her as a wife, and used her as a whore. That you didn’t know the culture is not going to be a good excuse to her.

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  111. on September 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “DCDude
    I am not physically capable of gaining weight. In college I weighed 135. Now I struggle to maintain 150. Lifting weights doesn’t help, and my metabolism is ridiculously fast. I probably eat 3000 calories per day and I can’t gain a pound.

    Womens’ preference for beefy men is a sign of low civilization and poor breeding. Refined women don’t need to feel “protected”. Protected from what, saber-tooth tigers?

    That’s a bunch of bullshit. You aren’t doing it right, there are virtually no people incapable of gaining weight/muscle and most of them are old ladies with arthritis, Alzheimer’s, and multiple strokes.

    http://startingstrength.wikia.com/ +Gallon of milk a day for the first month and you’ll get up to 170+ very easily.

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  112. Could we add chin implant and ears pinned back to the list of possible improvements?? If we’re gonna alpha him up and all that would help.

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  113. I cross my legs like that, I don’t give a fuck.

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  114. xsplat:

    No, no, no no no. ALL women, of all races and cultures, genuinely want to be the leader in the marriage, and will do whatever it takes to become that leader. That’s what a shit is – an attempt at dominance.

    What they ALSO want is for you to fight them and win. That’s called “passing” the shit test.

    Thanks for the refresher, but that’s not what I’m talking about, as I emphasized “GENUINELY” in the other post.

    I’ve come across a number of couples where the wife insists on being the leader of the relationship and seems to prefer it that way, sometimes consciously avoiding more alpha offers, or swatting down the attempts of their husbands to alpha up. This would make sense to me if the women were somewhat butch in their personality, but no — they are often relatively feminine.

    I think PA got it right when he said it’s an extension of a princess complex. I would add: narcissism and materialism/consumerism to the point where these women have completely left the building WRT their sexuality.

    The reason shit tests never end is no merely because the woman wants to test your dominance. It’s because she actually wants real power over you.

    I know. Some old Russian proverb or something says, “It’s a woman’s job to gain control over her man, and it’s a man’s job to keep her from getting it.”

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  115. RacerX:

    That is tragic news indeed. Clio to be married??? It is hard to believe. I am disconsolate. Still, I know on her wedding night Clio,as her husband awkwardly thrusts his comically tiny and slightly limp penis into her pure, untouched vagina, will be fantasizing about Racer X and what it would have felt like to be ravished by him.

    Buddy, when that day comes, I think Clio is going to need more than the standard fare. I say we team up and pull an Eiffel Tower or Chinese Fingercuffs on her. You game?

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  116. Tarl,

    I can buy what I want… who cares about what she thinks?

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  117. Tupac

    I know. Some old Russian proverb or something says, “It’s a woman’s job to gain control over her man, and it’s a man’s job to keep her from getting it.”

    So we agree. I agree that some women refuse to become submissive. Jewish women, especially.

    Maybe they can be dominated, but they are too much endless, tedious, high drama work.

    Fuck em and let em cry. High maintenance drama queens. Go be queen bee of your lonely self.

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  118. Asian chicks are known to be gold diggers, no?

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  119. DCDude, if that’s really you, take the fashion advice, except for the fucking soul patch.

    Other than that, bear in mind that these people mocked you for comforting your sick wife. There’s only so much advice you can take from these baboons.

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  120. Roissy said:
    “The white beta male would have to settle for a fat white chick to enjoy the same treatment”.

    I agree. The other day, one of them asked me if she should hold the elevator for me (to ride together). I said no thanks. But because I know that an Asian girlfriend is a public admission of betaness, I’d rather keep my self respect and remain alone.

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  121. DCDude,

    the answer is simple.

    testo/dbol and if you really got some serious cash, hgh/t3/slin. people usually get stretch marks from gaining mass too quickly.

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  122. narcissism and materialism/consumerism to the point where these women have completely left the building WRT their sexuality.

    One girl I dated was a sexual dynamo. Hyper sexual. She had a strong natural female dominance game, which later became the sexual ruination of her marriage. The guy she married was a commie equalist, who only used his pimp hand during rough sex. She has no idea how her husbands dweebing out made her revulsed by him, sexually. She would tell me she dreams of me sexually, not her man, that I’m her soul mate (blah blah) but wants to be married to the dweeb anyway.

    So I think there are women with strong personalities who wind up dominant, because of the failings of the man.

    Feminist ideals are poison to the sexuality of a marriage. Poison.

    Yes, some women are hyper status conscious, and will put those aims above all others. Above love and romance and sex and fun – absolutely and unequivocably.

    I revile it. But that doesn’t change it.

    Those girls can still be gamed, but if you want to keep them in an LTR, you’ll have to satisfy physical needs.

    Wish it weren’t so.

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  123. Raphael

    Asian chicks are known to be gold diggers, no?

    As opposed to?

    In contrast to?

    I mean, you’ve GOT to be kidding.

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  124. I agree with Peter about not shaving the head. Not only is he too scrawny, but his head shape is not conducive to that look.

    Not all heads are handsome bald.

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  125. lawl @ you tools falling for dcdude troll

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  126. The only people who call asians gold diggers are western women who loathe competition.

    Ya, all Asians who date westerners are pure cold hearted calculating gold diggers. And they are only pretending to be submissive, to get a green card. And they have no self respect. And they are sluts.

    And men who date them should be ashamed.

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  127. … and men who date them are fools who should be ashamed.

    Ya. Keep saying that. That’ll work. That’ll stave off the exodus real well.

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  128. I pretty much agree w/Roissy’s recomendations to “de-Herbacize” the guy in the photo, and yea, if your Asian gal is giving you signals like THAT, you’re in trouble, indeed.

    Gotta say again though, that I’ve never had much trouble pulling off khaki slacks, etc. I have loads of em, always have going back years, and it never stopped me from doing the darned thing in the ladies dept. That said, I always got my khakis from spots like Banana Republic, Gap, Old Navy, and Express For Men, as well as making sure they were a good fit (NOT the droopy pants stuff far too many Brothas do nowadays).

    But yea, Roissy’s on it. Good job.

    Startup that one on one consultancy, bro. Many Men could benefit from it.

    O

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  129. That said, I always got my khakis from spots like Banana Republic, Gap, Old Navy, and Express For Men, as well as making sure they were a good fit (NOT the droopy pants stuff far too many Brothas do nowadays).

    A black guy wearing khakis should be called the “Affirmative Action Look” because you often find black guys wearing khakis in settings where they’re only there due to affirmative action.

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  130. on September 4, 2009 at 6:55 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Raphael
    DCDude,

    the answer is simple.

    testo/dbol and if you really got some serious cash, hgh/t3/slin. people usually get stretch marks from gaining mass too quickly.

    Or he could just,do starting strength, eat 3k+ calories a day, and drink a gallon of whole milk on top of that each day and get similar results without potential harm to his endocrine system.

    We probably are looking to deep into this, maybe she was just having a bad day, we can’t make all these inferences and judgements about his character and his relationships with women based solely on one photo. We can tell he’s a skinny bitch who badly needs to get in shape for his own sake though.

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  131. Tupac,

    I appreciate the offer but I do not do MMF threesomes. If however you would like to do that with Clio and another dude, feel free to videotape it and put in on the internet. I would certainly enjoy watching that.

    A threesome with Clio and another, equally inexperienced if slightly younger female would be something I would certainly enjoy participating in, over and over again. Just the thought of watching Clio make out with another chick is quite stimulating.

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  132. Isn’t herb some kind of dated black slang?

    And if you go for a hot asian chick are you a herb/beta/etc, but if you don’t then are you subcombing to peer pressure which would also be beta.

    Oh these impulses.

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  133. on September 4, 2009 at 7:01 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Isn’t herb some kind of dated black slang?

    And if you go for a hot asian chick are you a herb/beta/etc, but if you don’t then are you subcombing to peer pressure which would also be beta.

    Oh these impulses.”

    No it’s Japanese apparently. It was”herbivore” men who are not interested in sex with women but aren’t gay in it’s original context. Now it just means extreme swpl lefty trendy beta who hasn’t quite crossed into o m e g a territory.

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  134. on September 4, 2009 at 7:03 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    If you go for an asian chick it doesn’t make you a herb or a beta, but usually herbs and betas have an easier time with asian chicks since asian chicks are, at least in Roissy’s view, less dominated by primitive instinct and more likely to choose stable/provider/dad type males.

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  135. Racer:

    Just the thought of watching Clio make out with another chick is quite stimulating.

    I nominate aoefe for the job.

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  136. Firepower

    The leading around of the male happens after the trap marriage – and after they decoy you into it, after all the seemingly cheap and easy sex you get from them when single.

    Then the clock strikes midnight, the were-fangs come out; the pussy turns into a pumpkin. Never marry an AZN. EVR

    As opposed to? In contrast to?

    That’s twice imputing onto Asians purely female cross cultural traits that are not even mildly more common in Asian societies.

    As if it wasn’t widely known that FEMALES stop fucking after they think they own you.

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  137. If you go for an asian chick it doesn’t make you a herb or a beta, but usually herbs and betas have an easier time with asian chicks since asian chicks are, at least in Roissy’s view, less dominated by primitive instinct and more likely to choose stable/provider/dad type males.

    An Asian girl will eat a beta alive. Alive.

    You REALLY need game with Asians. They are not clueless. They’ll pull your dancing puppet strings until you don’t know what’s real and where your boundaries are. They game westerners easily because of westerners stupid feminist ideals.

    To date Asians, you need to extra man up. Extra.

    Asian culture is, after all, matriarchal. With strong leanings towards polygamy to dominant males. Most men here are pussy suck ups. The girls are experts at manipulating men.

    They WILL puppet you, until you learn how to puppet them back.

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  138. on September 4, 2009 at 7:17 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Damn Roissy, this guy is beyond redemption.

    Linking to your blog post about my self-reclamation project from beta behavior via game is not gonna help this guy.

    While I had fallen into Beta behaviors, pedestal-ing my woman to my own detriment, I never even came close to this absolutely contemptible herbish SWPL mannerism, geek style or squeamish, effeminate public body language…which is perhaps why my wife didn’t leave me. I had failed to be dominant in our personal relationship…but I was nowhere near the level of Beta-tude this pathetic specimen is displaying.

    For one thing, I’ve always had an aversion to PDA…so if there was any, it was typically her initiating it, thereby by default, I never herbed it up by fawning all over her while she exuded disgusted contempt as this photo shows.

    Second of all, I’ve been an anti-political correctness libertarian my entire adult life.

    This guy is a feminist-indoctrinated, environmentalist, hybrid-driving, tofu eating Obama voter for sure.

    No, my problem was my Christian-based Chivalry – the mindset that women are the superior moral beings who should be deferred and catered to, instilled into me by my parents. While that was the basis for my married Beta-tude…this guy has a much more devious and subversive indoctrination that has brought him to this nadir of despicable herbi-tude.

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  139. It is very common for a westerner to date a native Asian, and be completely clueless on how to manage her. He’ll be equalist about it, and it will end in complete disaster. Her fucking around, stealing his money in sham requests to help her family and then in divorce theft. False accusations of battery.

    These girls are at least as sly as western girls. They’ll take every inch they can get.

    The good news is that they also can respond very well to dominance – IF you genuinely know what you are doing. That probably takes experience, but gaining that experience is half the fun, isn’t it?

    Expect to be gamed again, and again by Asians. NEVER underestimate an Asian girl. Sly and cunning.

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  140. Here’s an off topic little dominance trick contribution. Another unique Xsplat insight. You heard it here first – so don’t mis-attribute again please.

    When your girl says she’s going to do something, repeat what she told you in command form.

    “I’m going to go take a shower”.

    “Go take a shower then!”

    As if the very air you both breath is sweaty with your divine command.

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  141. And say “woman” a lot.

    Make me a tea, woman!!!!

    Camp it up. Overdo it. Make it funny. And do it a lot. Then enjoy your tea.

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  142. Cube

    A black guy wearing khakis should be called the “Affirmative Action Look” because you often find black guys wearing khakis in settings where they’re only there due to affirmative action.

    Here’s one for you. It’s from one of the most ironically symbolic commercials in the history of media.

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  143. “When your girl says she’s going to do something, repeat what she told you in command form.

    “I’m going to go take a shower”.

    “Go take a shower then!”

    As if the very air you both breath is sweaty with your divine command.”

    That doesn’t sound dominant. Sounds like a pouter who just lost an argument.

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  144. No it’s Japanese apparently. It was”herbivore” men who are not interested in sex with women but aren’t gay in it’s original context.

    No, it’s old black slang. The Japanese herbivore thing was just a recent coincidence and hasn’t really caught on outside of Japan.

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  145. OM

    That doesn’t sound dominant. Sounds like a pouter who just lost an argument.

    The “then” part is my personal affectation, that doesn’t translate well into text-speech. You need to hear the voice tonality to get the full flavored nuance. Playful, dominant, with a personal speaking voice that others don’t share.

    The reason I include “then”, is that it’s a personal speaking style that is repeated, and so will form a unique association.

    You could say “go take a shower, girl”. Or I suppose, simply “go take a shower”.

    I like to pepper my speech with unique affectations. It’s like a humorists “call back”. A reminder of the joke and the theme. Even my accent is peppered with affectations I’ve picked up over the years. Like a crab who decorates himself with bits of flotsam he finds on the sea floor, I enrich my speech with affectations that are used in an NLP manner to constantly associate specific feelings with specific triggers.

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  146. Just looking at them… she probably weighs more than he does.

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  147. I HATE Khakis. Most guys just cannot pull it off. Steve McQueen could, most guys are not McQueen.

    It makes men look dweeby. Straight leg 501s, workboots, tucked in shirt, sport coat if at all possible with weather (obviously not Summer). This looks good. You are not a dweeb, look half-way decent, fit is usually good, no worries it you get the pants dirty (just throw them in the wash, they are jeans), this combo generally works.

    Khakis do work well on some guys, particularly taller guys with long legs (like McQueen). If that is your build, go for it.

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  148. Another subtle dominance trick. When drinking beer in public, belch loudly and resoundingly and with authority.

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  149. Whiskey – jeans?

    I’d prefer a very dark kaki over denim. Denim retains the air of childhood about it, and is too informal and undecided for a man.

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  150. [editor: suicide watch. for all the asian guys turned down by his wife.]

    Bla ha ha!

    Schadenfreude: usage: [Suicide watch. for all the asian guys turned down by his wife.

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  151. I HATE Khakis. Most guys just cannot pull it off. Steve McQueen could, most guys are not McQueen….Khakis do work well on some guys, particularly taller guys with long legs (like McQueen). If that is your build, go for it.

    Sounds like at least one faggot here will be jerking off to a DVD of Bullitt tonight.

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  152. “No, my problem was my Christian-based Chivalry – the mindset that women are the superior moral beings who should be deferred and catered to, instilled into me by my parents. While that was the basis for my married Beta-tude…this guy has a much more devious and subversive indoctrination that has brought him to this nadir of despicable herbi-tude.”

    Interesting interpretation. I always thought of Christian based chivalry as more like socially conditioned politeness. Things like not cussing in front of women while at once discounting the value and importance of female opinions. That is she gets courtesy as a condition of deferring to male authority. A polite, respectful, dutiful wife gets polite treatment in return for loyalty and fulfilling all the requirements of being a good wife. She does not get to be rude or take advantage. Christian chivalry means men shouldn’t abuse good women. Hint, these women do not go to bars, smoke, cuss, etc. These ladies ascribe to the old fashioned idea that men are supposed to make a living and women are supposed to make life worth living. They consider it a privilege (not a burden) to serve their families. If mom and dad taught you Christian based Chivalry, these are the ladies they had in mind, not beer guzzling coeds, and feminist skanks.

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  153. guy’s a jew, just in case anyone was wondering. an easily recognizable, specifically jewish herb type, to be exact.

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  154. Hardcore

    Spend any time in an Asian country and compare the white ex-pats who are married to a local Asian and those who are not. Alphas do not marry. They plow trim with reckless abandon.

    You’re onto something there, core, but putting into words makes it so simplistic as to make it more wrong than right.

    Losers use hookers too. I choose to believe that to be alpha means you must be able to fully engage all aspects of woman, and use them to your advantage. Meaning you have to be able to make them completely head over heels deep down in love and committed and owned by you. And enjoy it.

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  155. on September 4, 2009 at 8:58 pm Passing through...

    A TRUE alpha wouldn’t laugh at this guy.

    This guy seems fine with his situation, is happy (at least from the stalker-like photo taken by a supposed “alpha”), and you’re going to give him [email protected] because of that?

    Ask yourself, who is the one with the insecurities? You may pull all kinds of wool at the bar, but if at the end of the day it take making fun of some “herb” to make you feel like an “alpha,” you are no Alpha.!

    He’s wearing khaki? OHMIGAWD, the horror!!!!!
    He crossed his legs? WHAT A HERB!!!!

    Such high comedy.

    I say “Good on you, mate!” and raise a glass to your continued happiness. Life is too short to say otherwise!

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  156. Solid advice from the Underworld’s finest, every word of it true.

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  157. on September 4, 2009 at 9:01 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Not too late, I’m referring to the all too common, feminized Christianity, in which women are considered “the better half” of a married couple.

    The kind where a church has celebratory sermons regarding mothers and women on Mother’s Day, than rebukes Fathers for failing to be better husbands on Father’s Day.

    It’s an institutional mindset in which women are pure, virginal arbiters of chaste morality, and all men are fallen pigs beholden to their debased, lust filled instincts.

    Masculinity is demonized and femininity is celebrated. In which Jesus’ pronouncement that the “meek shall inherit the Earth” becomes the scriptural doctrine declaring that men who display masculine traits are failing to be meek.

    Have you not heard of this? This is in fact why there is a large disparity amongst male vs. female attendance of Christian Churches across the country.

    That’s the kind of church my folks attend, and I was raised in. It’s the mindset I had internalized as an adult, even though I had quit going to church in my teens. And it nearly ruined my marriage.

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  158. These are nice.

    http://www.sierratradingpost.com/i/18619,30,_Riviera-Italian-Wool-Flannel-Pants-Flat-Front-For-Men.html

    Yeah. My grandfather and his Bocce playing buddies look really cool in them.

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  159. RE: Will Wilkinson.

    Tell me this dude is not 100% beta:

    Sorry Lance. He is pure beta. Running a well-read blog and being big in “libertarian circles” does not mean shit.

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  160. More Will Wilkinson fun:

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  161. Your dearth of imagination is your problem. Right shoes, right shirt, right belt and it’s good to go.

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  162. He probably works at a non-profit think tank.
    She’s probably banging her boss’s assistant.

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  163. Xsplat — It’s a regional thing. Out here in SoCal, Khakis = herb, jeans = creative guy. Particularly in Web development, every high rolling exec has jeans. Suits are almost entirely absent. Khakis are the uniform of the cubical dweller.

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  164. Passing through; many posters on this blog, including me, have been where this poor fool is now. Part of this whole scene is about educating ourselves and others to refrain from self defeating behaviour with women. The closed off body language of his companion indicates that all is not well in paradise.

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  165. My outfit today was jeans. Not some schlub cowboy wannabe pale blue, but very deep-dark blue, almost black, especially around the package. Pale at the front of the thighs. Black short-sleeve buttondown shirt, expensive. Subtle pinstripes, and a semi-abstract monochromatic design on the left breast. And sharp black leather shoes.

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  166. Goes without saying that the shirt was worn untucked. You can only pull this off if you don’t have a gut.

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  167. on September 4, 2009 at 9:43 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Why so much focus on the clothing aspects? Put this herb in faded jeans and a wifebeater undershirt, he’s still gonna project this emasculated, estrogenized, effemeniate demeanor with his crossed legs and supplicating posture.

    I mean, such fashion considerations are really regional anyhow. An alpha sporting a pair of khaki’s and a button up shirt will not all of a sudden transform into a nancy-boy SWPLer.

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  168. Why so much focus on the clothing aspects?

    Because it’s like he’s wearing a herb uniform. In better clothes he’s probably feel manlier.

    But I agree with the spirit of what you say. The essense of his herbitude is his fawning body language over his cold-shoulder wife.

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  169. Tupac: “What kind of bizzare re-wiring has gone on in their brains?”

    I think what afflicts them is largely what afflicts beta males. Solipsism. The idea that men find their cocky, cunty attitudes attractive is pretty much the root of all evil. It would no more occur to one of these harridans to be pleasant company than it would to go iron your goddamned shirts like they’re supposed to do. They would find a male who ironed their shirts to be unattractive, therefore they think shirt ironing is not attractive and not to be done. Solipsism; pure and simple. They don’t realize men have different thoughts, because we’re men. They look at us as ill trained women. Women from other countries do not share this delusion. Similarly, American beta males have an inaccurate picture of how women work internally. In the old days we had social convention to manage this sort of thing, but now all that’s out the window.

    That and the fact that they’ve sat on dozens of dongs already and so they’re incapable of honest affection for any fresh peen they run into. Basically, modern American women have the mental furniture of $20 prostitutes without any of the insights a life like that might bring.

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  170. on September 4, 2009 at 9:55 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Heh. Great point lupo.

    The idea that men find their cocky, cunty attitudes attractive is pretty much the root of all evil.

    You mean men are not attracted to STRONG, INDEPENDENT WYMEN?!?!?!

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  171. “semi-abstract monochromatic design on the left breast.”

    Did you get this at Hot Topic?

    And btw, if you spend more than $70 on jeans, get an aids test becuase you’re a fag!

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  172. “Not some schlub cowboy wannabe pale blue, but very deep-dark blue, almost black, especially around the package.”

    I think somebody here wishes he had a black penis.

    You really need to cut back on those Lexington Steele DVDs, PA.

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  173. Your dearth of imagination is your problem. Right shoes, right shirt, right belt and it’s good to go.

    You forgot to mention the right pair of Depend underwear and or dildo-in-ass.

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  174. Dave from Hawaii:

    I’ve been waiting for you to show up, so I hope you read this–I’ve read your posts on how you relate to your wife when she is giving shit tests. How do you two resolve disagreements? (For example, about how much money to spend, what to buy, etc.)

    Also: does she work?

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  175. Rudy,

    You are right that Khakis worked on Steve McQueen. He was only 5-10 though. So he was not tall but because of his persona they worked on him.

    The best type of khakis to wear are Dickies. Don’t laugh: they are made for workmen and fit men well. They make a man look manly. I wear them all the time and women love them. They always comment on well dressed I am, whether I am wearing an Oxford shirt, polo shirt, or t-shirt with them. The key is you have to be a masculine man to begin with for clothing to work well. James Bond dressed well, in outfits that would look terrible on an office dweeb today. Yet they worked for him.

    Women love a well dressed man. But he has to be a man first and not a dweeb.

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  176. I hate wearing blue jeans. I have always dressed well and have scored tons of women because of that. Women have never complained about my khakis.

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  177. And I really want to lick Clio’s delicious cunt before she gets married…

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  178. “It’s an institutional mindset in which women are pure, virginal arbiters of chaste morality, and all men are fallen pigs beholden to their debased, lust filled instincts.”

    What a difference a few hundred years makes. In medieval Europe, women were considered oversexed and the idea was that female libido needed policing.

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  179. The one thing our modern world needs is a lot more lethal violence.
    A moment of clarity is worth a 1000 prayers…

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  180. Is whiskey a man or a woman?

    The guy just has no idea what to where with what. That shirt would look better with dark jeans. To wear those pants he needs a lighter colored shirt, maybe a light blue. Everything fits horrible. And those shoes don’t match what he’s wearing either. Honestly they just look terrible.

    I don’t think the khakis are the problem. I’m sure he would look just as terrible wearing jeans or some other type of pants.

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  181. I’m a guy. Khakis pretty much scream office beta. Every cube dweller I see wears one, and believe me I’m around them often enough.

    You see creative guys, i.e. graphic artists, designers, marketers, and such wearing jeans. They are generally slim fit, you have to be in shape, but they do make you look leaner. Decent dress shoes or better, work boots plus a nice fitted dress shirt work great. This is generally the wardrobe of CEOs / execs in New Media, Web 2.0 etc. I suspect it’s a reaction to the office drone uniform which looks like Best Buy/Office Depot.

    It’s different back East. No one wears a suit out here in SoCal (it’s a sign you are a Maitre D, or bodyguard, or salesman, or other “high level serving staff”) whereas when I have been back East it’s suits all around. The exception is after-hours when a suit, decently fitted, no tie, works well in some situations.

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  182. “They are generally slim fit, you have to be in shape, but they do make you look leaner. Decent dress shoes or better, work boots plus a nice fitted dress shirt work great. This is generally the wardrobe of CEOs / execs in New Media, Web 2.0 etc. I suspect it’s a reaction to the office drone uniform which looks like Best Buy/Office Depot.”

    Please tell me who the fuck is a “new media/web 2.0” CEO??? Are you talking about just like straight Ed Hardy???

    This is awful, awful advice. I’m just sure that some faggy true religion jeans and an affliction shirt are NOT a better bet for work in ANY CITY than a well tailored Zegna or Armani suit.

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  183. on September 4, 2009 at 11:36 pm CunningLinguist

    This is so apt. I was out last night and an Asian married couple sat across my table. She was either engrossed in her iPhone or stealing looks at me. Beta husband, oblivious to all this, stared – starry eyed – at her while she literally eye-fucked me all night.

    Top-drawer stuff as usual, Roissy.

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  184. What NOT to wear:

    What to wear: (and I like the clothes too)

    If you have the guns you can carry off anything – even this:

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  185. I love guns.

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  186. Interestingly the third pic I posted above is of a guy who is a fan of Mad Men and writes about it on a blog. He’s trying to get a walk-on part on the show and the jpg above is his outfit he will submit for the contest. Even sexier when I know why he’s wearing it. Who knew.

    http://amctvmadmentvshowblogs.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/day-3-august-1-2009-mad-about-amc-tv-mad-men-tv-show-blogs-open-casting-call-contest/

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  187. Nothin wrong with navy blue khakis, especially when everyone around you is wearing faded jeans. I avoid the white and tan khakis like the plague though. Always make sure they’re flat-front.

    One thing I wanted to ask everyone is their opinion of a man shaking a womans hand when he introduces himself, as in him extending his hand first. The reason I ask is because the women I’ve met over the last several months, the ones who’s hands I’ve shook seem to be much more interested in dating me than the ones who I merely introduced myself without a handshake. Does a man extending his hand and introducing himself leave more of an impression than a man who merely introduces, chats, and moves on? Is it considered rude for a man to extend his handshake to a woman?

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  188. ”””””””””Rum

    A moment of clarity is worth a 1000 prayers…””””””””

    Ahhhh yes

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  189. I nominate aoefe for the job.

    Aoefe is my *new* Canadian mistress. Leave her alone!

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  190. on September 5, 2009 at 12:15 am Biting Beaver Is Missed

    Due to a gross misunderstanding of gender relations, DA has just committed virtual rape.

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  191. Jeesh DA after all Roissy said about your type of chick, I’m not sure advertising me as your mistress is very flattering . Just sayin…

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  192. Madras:

    RE: Will Wilkinson.

    Tell me this dude is not 100% beta:

    Sorry Lance. He is pure beta. Running a well-read blog and being big in “libertarian circles” does not mean shit.

    Say what you will about Wilkinson, but I would so bang his wife.

    HARD

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  193. Racer:

    And I really want to lick Clio’s delicious cunt before she gets married…

    Get in line, pal.

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  194. on September 5, 2009 at 12:18 am Biting Beaver Is Missed

    feeling devalued humiliated and used?
    you have been raped

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  195. Jeesh DA after all Roissy said about your type of chick, I’m not sure advertising me as your mistress is very flattering

    You’re special enough to count as an exception to my tastes. 🙂

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  196. on September 5, 2009 at 12:21 am Biting Beaver Is Missed

    Clio has been raped
    she doesnt know it yet

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  197. Say what you will about Wilkinson, but I would so bang his wife.

    I suspect you could do better than her…

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  198. Tupac, Racer

    Can you two set me straight? If what you admit to is true regarding your attraction to Clio why oh why would you even begin to hope you have a chance with the approaches you both take? What about her reduces you to teenage boys? I get that you find her intelligence sexy – it is. Why though would you flaunt your own immaturity as a way to get her attention? Just wonderin…

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  199. Performance art — with a very special lesson

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  200. Tupac Chopra,

    Wilkinson refers to her as his “consumption partner.” Seriously.

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  201. DA:

    Say what you will about Wilkinson, but I would so bang his wife.

    I suspect you could do better than her…

    It’s happened before, but she seems the type I could have under my thumb…

    Much hotter that way.

    But I suspect you have no idea what I’m talking about.

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  202. I’m not talking about Ed Hardy. No one would wear that stuff. I’m taking about guys who are in various start ups and small design shops, with about 25-50 employees. Like it or not, almost NO ONE wears suits, other than government or like I said, high end retail.

    People dress like Pitt in the jeans and white shirt (but no tie) in aoefe’s link. It’s definitely regional, you don’t see it outside of California, but it does in fact exist.

    A lot of the 909’ers and various hipster posers will wear Dickies work-wear, and often have the tats, etc. to pull that off. The problem in SoCal is that it’s hot much of the year (April-Dec), suits and other formal wear are pretty much disdained, and the awful sameness of the cube farm in industrial parks is depressing.

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  203. Tupac Chopra,

    Wilkinson refers to her as his “consumption partner.” Seriously.

    WTF does that mean. Must be some Randian bullshit.

    Whatever, it just means to me she’s ripe for the picking…

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  204. aoefe:

    I just have to ask: would you be interested in Sapphic love with Clio?

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  205. Herb is thinking – “mmmmmm, I can almost see her booby when I look down at this angle”

    Wife is thinking – “god i’m glad he’s an idiot and thinks my period last for three weeks out of four.”

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  206. But I suspect you have no idea what I’m talking about.

    I really don’t. Mind you, I’m presuming that your game is of high enough quality that you could attract, seduce, and properly fuck an 8. This girl’s a 6, and I really think it’s degrading for you to waste your energy on such a girl. But in the interest of satisfying my curiosity, I would like to know what you find interesting about her. Hell, she’s a flat chested chic…

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  207. Tupac:

    No I don’t swing Sapphically. Sorry.

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  208. DA:

    I think that guy’s wife is a C cup, not small. And she’s very pretty in a cute way. I get Tupac’s attraction totally, plus he’s right she doesn’t look high maintenance.

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  209. on September 5, 2009 at 12:36 am Gunslingergregi

    Dam no shit clarity nurse chick just told me she is married and has husband that is in jail for three years. What the fuck? Can’t people just be honest lol

    She is like I told you about it.

    I am like no I told you I am married and my wife knows I can get other woman.

    This chick said nothing of sort.

    Anyway she like is that a problem?

    I am like well no not if he knows about it. I don’t want to damage my soul on some bullshit. She is like as long as she is handling business it is all good. She said he knows she is handling business. I am gonna need a translation on this in the next ten minutes for booty call. he he he

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  210. DA:

    I have a thing for exotic, semi-asian/latina looking women.

    Plus, she seems pretty bright although I don’t know all that much about her. Someone mentioned she’s some sort of feminist. Ugh. If so, only good for fucking.

    And I have nothing against small boobies as long as the face captures my fancy.

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  211. on September 5, 2009 at 12:38 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Tupac Chopra
    Performance art — with a very special lesson”””””””’

    That was awesome Tupac. Real deal shit right there bro.

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  212. I think that guy’s wife is a C cup, not small.

    I watch porn, so that’s small for me.

    And she’s very pretty in a cute way. I get Tupac’s attraction totally, plus he’s right she doesn’t look high maintenance.

    The problem is that pretty and cute isn’t hot and sexy. Since he’s capable of securing the latter, I don’t understand why he’d want the former. Of course, it may be some weird genetic trait that allows him to like such women. It’s beyond my feeble brain’s capability to understand…

    I have a thing for exotic, semi-asian/latina looking women.

    She looks kinda Eastern European to me…

    And I have nothing against small boobies as long as the face captures my fancy.

    Discovering the small boobies and small ass of my workcrush destroyed my interest in her and left me struggling to find some other woman with nails to fawn over…

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  213. whiskey

    I’m not talking about Ed Hardy. No one would wear that stuff. I’m taking about guys who are in various start ups and small design shops, with about 25-50 employees. Like it or not, almost NO ONE wears suits, other than government or like I said, high end retail.

    People dress like Pitt in the jeans and white shirt (but no tie) in aoefe’s link. It’s definitely regional, you don’t see it outside of California, but it does in fact exist.

    You see it in Seattle, too, Whiskey. Of course, Seattle follows California — SF in particular.

    The big thing is the good shoes. You can’t pull it off without some very nice, expensive footwear.

    Guys who wear suits around here are older Asian types, you know, taxi drivers and such.

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  214. on September 5, 2009 at 12:50 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Hey, guess what, it’s OK to tease your wife for being a bitch. “Try not to look so happy, babe. I’m just a man, not a god.” ””””

    I try to encourage mine to think I am a god he he he

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  215. Tupac:

    As I said “I consider myself straight.” Both (only 2) women I was attracted to were very butch, manly women. Clio would not come close. Just sayin…

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  216. THIS PAGE IS FULL OF HATE…SCUM

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  217. on September 5, 2009 at 12:59 am Gunslingergregi

    Roissy need post on how to get rid of woman.

    But yea seriously had this stripper fucking for a straight hour yesterday. I think she was gonna have a heart attack. Chick was hot though. Had her working it. They are like your not a ten minute man I am like yea I already know that. I think she came like 3 times. Got me two.

    Then this chick rips her tong ring out on my dick and walks around bleeding. Fuck. Anyway. Found out why chicks shouldn’t get tounge rings.

    More adventures for the file.

    Shit funny with these bitches. Mua Mua hahahahahaha

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  218. The Unenlightened:

    The problem is that pretty and cute isn’t hot and sexy. Since he’s capable of securing the latter, I don’t understand why he’d want the former.

    You can have a hotter chick along with the flakiness, unruliness and lesser passion, or you can have a cute, but still sexy chick, who is putty in your hands.

    If all you care about is the former, then what you enjoy is not sexuality but female validation.

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  219. aoefe:

    As I said “I consider myself straight.” Both (only 2) women I was attracted to were very butch, manly women. Clio would not come close. Just sayin…

    Ah, but the door is ajar, at least somewhat, is it not? I just need to jam that entering wedge in and pry it open…

    🙂

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  220. @tupac – I just need to jam that entering wedge in and pry it open…

    Subtle

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  221. Subtle

    I am drunk as HELL

    Where’s Cannon when I need him?

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  222. You can have a hotter chick along with the flakiness, unruliness and lesser passion, or you can have a cute, but still sexy chick, who is putty in your hands.

    Pump and dump? 🙂

    I guess it all depends on whether or not one seeks to merely maximize their opportunities for orgasm at all costs, or if one seeks some emotional balance at the cost of orgasms. If you can’t orgasm from cute girls, then yes, they could be a problem or a social scourge to be eliminated depending on one’s viewpoint, but if cute girls can actually turn you on, then I could understand if one wanted to chase them for emotional benefits. Admittedly, one would suspect that all males would seek to maximize their orgasms though…

    Of course, Tupac, I never did see you as a cute chaser…

    If all you care about is the former, then what you enjoy is not sexuality but female validation.

    Isn’t that what game is all about? Being validated by female to a level where they’ll allow sexual access?

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  223. Shit, I just saw the ghastliest SWPL-head-in-lap incident downtown. She had the Mia Farrow hairstyle circa 1966 to boot.

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  224. I guess it all depends on whether or not one seeks to merely maximize their opportunities for orgasm at all costs, or if one seeks some emotional balance at the cost of orgasms.

    If it’s just about orgasm, then why not go the David Alexander route and just jerk it until the end? Much better return on investment that way, right?

    But sexuality and eroticism is about so much more than orgasm.

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  225. I know you all guys are dreaming of your future wedding day. If only it could go like this:

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  226. aoefe:

    What about her reduces you to teenage boys? I get that you find her intelligence sexy – it is.

    Just wanted to clear up that it’s not so much her intelligence as it is…a certain…je ne sais quoi…

    The intelligence is just the icing on the cake.

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  227. Tupac:

    How François of you. 😉

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  228. But sexuality and eroticism is about so much more than orgasm.

    For years, I’ve viewed it as all about the orgasm with the other person as a tool to achieve that, and their orgasm as a ego booster proving your skills and talents with the opposite (or in limited cases, the same) sex. Of course, this explains my chase of orgasms via hour long masturbation sessions fuelled by porn. It’s the ultimate in orgasm maximization. I just don’t see what else is there beyond the chase for an orgasm in sex. Why else would anybody engage in what’s essentially a tiring and messy exercise session that involves another person who may not be to one’s liking?

    Just wanted to clear up that it’s not so much her intelligence as it is…a certain…je ne sais quoi…

    Presuming that you’re not joking, I just don’t see it. Maybe I need my sexuality displayed in a raw and crude fashion for my consumption, but I just don’t see or feel this vibe that you’re apparently getting from Clio.

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  229. @DA – “Maybe I need my sexuality displayed in a raw and crude fashion for my consumption”

    Again your attraction to me doing me no favours when you say things like that. 😦

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  230. Again your attraction to me doing me no favours when you say things like that.

    I must admit, you’re an exception to the rule. You’re not the tarted up skank that I usually find attractive, but more like the girl at work I had a crush on. Beautiful, well dressed, yet with a hint of respectable sexiness that has one stand out from the crowd. The only difference is that you’re older, and you have far better measurements in certain areas.

    Otherwise, you may have to explain why my words seem to inspire fear within you…

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  231. DA:

    Why else would anybody engage in what’s essentially a tiring and messy exercise session that involves another person who may not be to one’s liking?

    Did you ever play with silly putty and play doh as a child?

    It’s the same thing with women, but as an adult, women are your play doh.

    But this assuming you’re with a woman who likes to be led. Not always the case when you’re punching above your weight.

    Presuming that you’re not joking, I just don’t see it. Maybe I need my sexuality displayed in a raw and crude fashion for my consumption, but I just don’t see or feel this vibe that you’re apparently getting from Clio.

    You would need to be a visionary to see what I see.

    Although I will admit Clio sometimes comes across like an elder Gwyneth Paltrow…

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  232. It’s the same thing with women, but as an adult, women are your play doh.

    Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see the fun in that. Play-Doh for kids is fun, and as a parent, guiding your kid has its moments, but I don’t see the fun in essentially “training” a woman. Just as I don’t find the hunt interesting and think of it as a disincentive, I’d prefer to have avoid wasting time on trying to mold a woman. We’re adults, we should be pre-cast and hardened.

    Although I will admit Clio sometimes comes across like an elder Gwyneth Paltrow…

    À chacun son goût. Just as how I’ll never see what you men find in Clio, you’ll never see what I find in my porn queens. Quiet and subdued versus noisy and boisterous. Soft and sensual versus hard and sexual…

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  233. @DA – Otherwise, you may have to explain why my words seem to inspire fear within you…

    I’d say more embarrassment than fear. Your Roissy persona (yes persona) has painted you as a man who no woman would want him to be attracted to.

    *that said you know I like the real you. 😉

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  234. I’d say more embarrassment than fear.

    I’d suspect that there’s no market for sub-human males with a porn addiction for most women with standards.

    that said you know I like the real you.

    There’s no market for sub-human males with sycophantic tendencies either.

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  235. David, isn’t it about time to start frying up your shit omelette?

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  236. David, isn’t it about time to start frying up your shit omelette?

    I’ll rushing through McDonalds eating breakfast in about four hours from now just before beginning another day of “roadside assistance”.

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  237. Hi all, my 1st post on roissy’s

    Did the poster earlier in the day claiming to be the Herb, did he turn out to be the guy in the image?

    Just wanted to say to all the daily posters here, you know who you are, respect. Instead of addresing everyone here by name, I’ll just say that Roissy could be the antichrist or the next messiaiah but you all are making the interwebs a better place.

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  238. I noticed that the economist Robin Hanson includes Roissy in DC in the blogroll at his blog Overcoming Bias.

    His blog is pretty thick and heavy on scientific issues, much more dense than your average econ or academic blog, so it’s kind of funny to find Roissy in the blogroll.

    Though it shows you that Hanson isn’t a giant pussy like Tyler Cowen, who’ll write a post about Roissy and not even mention Roissy’s name or link to him and talk about how ‘evil’ Roissy is.

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  239. on September 5, 2009 at 3:34 am Gunslingergregi

    This blog got more econ than any place in history he he he

    I asked the commercial loan chick at the bank today “why she wasn’t retired yet” she gave the wierdest look. She is like I have to work. I was like this is where you go to retire right. She like we don’t do that here. Hmm intelligence qoutient not extremely high. Then I proceeded to explain to her how you retire and how life is easy as fuck. Yea it is that simple. It really is that simple?

    Yea anyway. Anyway.

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  240. on September 5, 2009 at 4:32 am Cannon's Canon

    regarding: khakis

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  241. This is what you want to go for.

    Something along those lines is what I wear but NEVER EVER any so called “skinny” jeans. That’s some kind of hipster/preppy hybrid beast.

    And no short sleeve shirts, I roll up the long sleeves. And no plaids.

    And never wear anything with communication on it. No numbers, names, over-sized logos, prints, whatever.

    And never wear sandals or birken whatnots. And men who wear flip flops should be hunted for sport.

    And no shorts. I wear long pants on the hottest days. I wear long athletic pants to mountain bike and lift weights.

    The last thing I want to do is drive the women into hormonal heaven with my lean athletic legs.

    When women see my exposed body they sometimes rush at me in groups, eyes on fire with passion.

    But usually I wake up …………………..just in time!

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  242. Will Wilkinson?

    Who can make this shit up:

    Since I was a teenager, I’ve found old-school machismo pathetic and somehow irrelevant to the problem of becoming a man. Without even knowing what or why it was, I was heavily influenced by gay culture, which provided me, and many other straight young men, a wide variety of templates for manhood that are at once unmistakably masculine, playfully ironic, aesthetic, emotionally open, and happily sexual. You can be manly and care about shoes!!! I’ll confess that I used to periodically regret my heterosexuality because there seemed to be greater scope for constructing a distinctive and satisfying male identity within gay culture

    http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/28/the-menaissance-and-its-dickscontents/

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  243. Lance

    the whole alpha male/beta male distinction really gets misused by some of the commenters. basically, anyone who disagrees with roissy gets labeled a beta. as convenient as that might be, it’s far from the truth.

    “Misused” implies that there is some correct way to use those terms, but there really isn’t. The have never been consistently used or defined.

    Hardcore

    This sentence should have ended at Never Marry. I agree that Asian chix are the last, great refuge of the beta/o m e g a. BUT, it is still rare to see an 8, 9, or 10 Asian with a Herb. Alpha attraction rules still apply to the upper hot echelons of Asian poonhana. Most SWPL Herbivores with Asian girlfriends or wives max out in the 6 and 7 range. These women only look hotter because they’re standing next to White Urkels. In reality, they’re just average. Who scores the hottest Asians? Alpha males.

    This is completely meaningless gibberish. The 1-10 scale is, and always will be, subjective, and not a single person here can demonstrate otherwise. The herb you see with a 6 might think he’s with a 9, so your opinion doesn’t mean shit to him, or anyone else. Most if not all of the 10s posted in the photo submissions thread simply bore me, whereas mine were met with indifference at best and hostility at worst. But it makes no difference to me, as I am not so weak and pathetic as to set my preferences according to what other people think.

    Beta guy

    But because I know that an Asian girlfriend is a public admission of betaness, I’d rather keep my self respect and remain alone.

    If you really respected yourself you would not give a fuck what anyone else thinks about you having an Asian girlfriend.

    xsplat

    The good news is that they also can respond very well to dominance

    What does it say about the self-esteem of “alphas” that they only go for relationships where they get to dominate someone?

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  244. Harvey Pekar. The man, the legend.

    He’s an omega/beta hybrid making spastic attempts at being an alpha.

    And failing miserably.

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  245. So just as fugly white women should trying their luck with black men so too should nerdy white men should try their luck with Asian women? So when a white woman is rejected by a black man and a white man is rejected by an Asian woman is that a good litmus test for Om3ganess? Maybe black men and Asian women shoud carry Om3ga Membership forms with them and pamphets entitled “So You’re Not A Loser Beta – You’re An Outright Omega.”

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  246. p.s. what’s the deal with khakis? (Not that I wear them myself or anything)

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  247. I guess my first post didn’t show up. So, again… fantastic piece, Roissy.

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  248. In Response to Chambliss:

    I actually discovered this blog through the “Overcoming Bias” and “Less Wrong” blog-groups.

    There was an extended discussion of the inclusion of varied genders and races in the rationalist movement and related career fields.

    A well-known commenter linked to this blog after the discussion somehow turned to the rationality and ethics of PUAs.

    I immediately started reading this blog and eventually, many of the blogs in the Roissysphere. I was elated that someone was encompassing the spirit of the old addage, “Pragmatism triumphs perception.” in their writing. I’ve been here ever since.

    My only caveat to fully enjoying this blog is the seemingly rampant and overt racism that has manifested itself in almost EVERY POST’S comments section in the past two weeks.

    It seems like whenever this happens, truly contributing commenters like Roosh, VK, T Ricky Raw, The G Manifesto and others tend to vacate all together, leaving discussions about “Game” to spiral into 800 comment count flame wars that veer completely off topic of the original post.

    Likewise, I last observed that many of the posters that filtered here through the “Overcoming Bias” blog-family have dropped this blog for similar reasons.

    But if recent activity has been any indication, I assume that is for the best…

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  249. Two weeks Ruby?? It’s been like that here for months.

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  250. on September 5, 2009 at 10:29 am ironrailsironweights

    And never wear anything with communication on it. No numbers, names, over-sized logos, prints, whatever.

    Right now I’m wearing a red T-shirt with the Kellogg’s Froot Loops logo (complete with toucan) , purchased last year at the late, lamented Steve & Barry’s. Wearing so-called visible clothing is okay so long as it’s being done for strictly ironic purposes. That applies with respect to my shirt, given the absurdity of the logo.

    Peter

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  251. When they got up, she got up first, and led the way. they were married.

    This is SOP for Asian girls of any age.

    Uh, no it’s not, at least not for Japanese women. It took about 25 years for my wife to internalize that it was rude for her to not walk through the door in front of me when I held it open for her. She grew up where men went first, period. When we’re in Japan, I go first.

    The collision of cultures keeps things interesting.

    I’d bet any amount of money, based on the picture alone, that that woman was born in America.

    If you really respected yourself you would not give a fuck what anyone else thinks about you having an Asian girlfriend.

    Maybe I’m fortunate, because the only people whose opinions I give a shit about like my wife. Heck, if it came to a vote, my family would keep her and kick me out. I think it would be unanimous.

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  252. From out of the depths of my memory I have dragged this:

    “…That’s because he treats her like dirt. Anyone can get a girl that way.”

    –Joseph Heller, “Catch-22”, 1961

    (This is just one of HUNDREDS of reasons why everyone should read Heller.)

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  253. Ruby, there is a fair amount of racism expressed here, but there are also people of many races here. Race, what it means, HBD, culture, and the like are also relevant in any honest discussion about dating.

    Americans tend to be a bit oversensitive about the subject, but in my opinion this is the very thing that keeps the culture as polarized as it is. From my POV and that of many expats and well travelled folks, it looks rather silly. When you leave the U.S. for a substantial length of time, you understand that race isn’t what you were taught it was, and the reduction of it to only three or four categories is what makes the American style of it silly. Yet the truth gets played out in some interesting ways.

    One of those ways is the promotion of generic White, and the attempt to enforce the standards of that ideology on everyone else. This is part of what fuels the entitlement complex of many Americans, both those of European descent, and those of other ancestry who adopt their lifestyle. One of the most damning pretty lies is that generic White culture is superior to others in the area of gender relations.

    The emasculated harmless White male has become the symbol of what it is to be a truly civilized man, but in truth he is just a domesticated man.

    It is only natural that deprogramming will happen to recovering “colorless” people in a variety of ways. One of the phases of the journey is to learn to be okay with not being harmless. Some of that is going to manifest itself in a way that comes off as racist, but is really race comfort. Before my very eyes, I’ve seen some tunes change from, “White people are the best and everybody else sucks,” to, “Damn we got issues too.” Then there’s the inevitable question, “What are we?”

    So I encourage you to ignore the riff raff, but be aware that even in this there is growth. This is known as a safe space for guys to express their feelings, and it should stay that way. You’re just as free to counter an argument as someone else is to make them. Make some of your own. That’s what keeps the conversation fresh.

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  254. I’d say this chick and her relationship is pretty typical of the married women I daygame. I’m pretty sure she’s either fucking another guy or will be fucking one soon. She’s actually kind of hot. I’d fuck her.

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  255. “……Since I was a teenager, I’ve found old-school machismo pathetic and somehow irrelevant to the problem of becoming a man. Without even knowing what or why it was, I was heavily influenced by gay culture, which provided me, and many other straight young men, a wide variety of templates for manhood that are at once unmistakably masculine, playfully ironic, aesthetic, emotionally open, and happily sexual. You can be manly and care about shoes!!! I’ll confess that I used to periodically regret my heterosexuality because there seemed to be greater scope for constructing a distinctive and satisfying male identity within gay culture…..”

    That does it! No way anyone else can be Beta of the Month, and this makes him a good candidate for Beta of the Year. Even if he himself has a girlfriend, there are many other beta-boy libertarian feminists who look up to him and are screwed by his advice, loudly proclaiming that male dominance is neanderthal while still being virgins at age 30.

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  256. I haven’t worn jeans since I was 20. They hurt my nuts.

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  257. Roissy,

    I appreciate your dislike of Will Willkinson. Nicely put.

    Disgusting guy.

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  258. I never heard of this Will Wilkinson dude before, but from the paragraph quoted above, he needs to be castrated.

    He does seem to have an attractive girlfriend. I bet she holds him in her arms after their usually quick one minute session of passionless sex and tell hims while he sobs, “everything is going to be ok.”

    I want to fuck her. Perhaps I will be letting him know that on his website too. I bet he cries when he finds out. She needs to experience a real, masculine fuck one of these days. Then, she will leave him, crying and heart broken. There are few things that bring out the truth in a woman than a man who knows how to use his cock. Fag boy Wilkinson will never understand this.

    Aoefe,

    Clio is an unattainable princess of purity. This makes her extremely desirable. I like a challenge. Give me a Clio over slutty girls any day. Plus, deep down she enjoys all this attention Tupac and I give her. As you know, all women love attention. It is one of the reasons you, like so many women, troll Roissy.

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  259. @Racer – “As you know, all women love attention. It is one of the reasons you, like so many women, troll Roissy”

    Yep.

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  260. aoefe,

    From what I can tell from those pics of yourself on your blog, you have particularly luscious looking lips. Do you enjoy kissing? There are few things more pleasant than kissing full, soft lips…

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  261. Ruby,

    Spare us the lecture, poindexter.

    My only caveat to fully enjoying this blog is the seemingly rampant and overt racism that has manifested itself in almost EVERY POST’S comments section in the past two weeks.

    Likewise, I last observed that many of the posters that filtered here through the “Overcoming Bias” blog-family have dropped this blog for similar reasons.

    You can enjoy your overly abstract rationalism and mental masturbation over at Overcoming Bias and Less Wrong.

    Here anything goes.

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  262. “She was tired and feeling a little bit queasy because of something she ate that night. ”

    Like some other guy’s spunk?

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  263. Whiskey said:

    “I HATE Khakis. Most guys just cannot pull it off. Steve McQueen could, most guys are not McQueen.

    It makes men look dweeby. Straight leg 501s, workboots, tucked in shirt, sport coat if at all possible with weather (obviously not Summer). This looks good. You are not a dweeb, look half-way decent, fit is usually good, no worries it you get the pants dirty (just throw them in the wash, they are jeans), this combo generally works.

    Khakis do work well on some guys, particularly taller guys with long legs (like McQueen). If that is your build, go for it.”

    OBS: Whiskey, I’m 5’8″, 170lbs. Not fat by any means, but definitely not White boy hipster thin either. I’ve worn khakis for years and years, and have never had any problems looking good in them, nor have ever had any problem getting ladies in them either. Its all in how you carry yourself, and the way the pants fit, etc as Roissy has rightly noted above.

    The Obsidian

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  264. So when a white woman is rejected by a black man and a white man is rejected by an Asian woman is that a good litmus test for Om3ganess?

    Hypothetical: Attractive white woman meets David Alexander who drives a three year old car and makes $45K in a civil service career. David is still the same sub-human male, but with money and a nicer car. David turns down this woman for some varying reason*. Is the test still valid, or did she meet a fluke? A white woman or a woman man turned down by the respective non-white races isn’t necessarily om3ga, but may be lacking the traits that makes them attractive to non-whites.

    I want to fuck her. Perhaps I will be letting him know that on his website too. I bet he cries when he finds out.

    Just out of curiosity, why would you want to have sex with her? While you may disagree with his philosophy, I don’t see why you want to humiliate him in such a fashion…

    *e.g.: no nails, C cups, flat ass, potentially low IQ, no tattoos, tongue piercings, no heels, submissive, etc…

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  265. JerrDog said:

    I haven’t worn jeans since I was 20. They hurt my nuts.

    I just learned fairly recently that when men put on pants they put it on a SIDE. Fascinating! They don’t just pull up and zip up!

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  266. I never heard of this Will Wilkinson dude before, but from the paragraph quoted above, he needs to be castrated.

    From the quoted paragraph it is obvious that he was castrated a long time ago.

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  267. “I just learned fairly recently that when men put on pants they put it on a SIDE. Fascinating! They don’t just pull up and zip up!”

    Isn’t it too bad that these never caught on?

    For the record, as well as I can remember Cleaver (along among the planet’s population) took the idea seriously.

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  268. Cliff,

    Is that real? Do you put your actual thingie in the external slot?? Or is that just an empty embellishment?

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  269. @Racer – “From what I can tell from those pics of yourself on your blog, you have particularly luscious looking lips.”

    Why thank you Racer you are totally meeting my need for attention. 😉

    Racer asked – “Do you enjoy kissing? There are few things more pleasant than kissing full, soft lips…”

    As to kissing – oh ya. If a date can’t kiss I don’t see him again. Kissing is très important and if a dude can perfect this skill his opportunity for more action is likely tripled.

    Importance of first kiss is huge see this article:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2374362.ece

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  270. @S:
    “I just learned fairly recently that when men put on pants they put it on a SIDE. Fascinating! They don’t just pull up and zip up!”

    Maybe that’s my problem… I can’t seem to to that. I have well-centered balls. My other problem with jeans is that they are low-prole, but if kahki’s are herbish, what’s the next step up?

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  271. I just wear cargo pants.

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  272. Does anybody know where I can download a pdf of The Mystery Method for free? A complete version.I found one,but it was in Polish.

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  273. clearly u guys are wearing yellow fever goggles. She is not kind of hot or pretty. A step up from plain at best. it must be really easy being an asian woman around white guys. On the otherhand i regularily find more non-white/east asian woman attractive – the same women of color white dudes generally find not attractive – i find immensely so…i think its a genetic weakness in white men…and clearly asian women should milk it for all its worth.

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  274. on September 5, 2009 at 5:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    You got to get handmade pants tailered to your balls. he he he

    I am also rocking clogs at moment because I want to be comfortable.

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  275. Racer, he probably wouldn’t have a problem with you shagging his girlfriend. I’d bet good money she’s a hoe, and he probably gets off on that.

    Call it a hunch…well don’t. It’s actually experience. I got almost the exact same statement from a guy who misses me very much because I’m not interested in being his beard.

    Jerr, you may want to consider men’s non bifurcated garments (kilts) when you’re around the house and garden and such. If you have a Polish build (slim waist, but high butt and tree trunk thighs), it may be difficult to buy pants that fit well off the rack. Go for the thigh fit, and have them adjusted to fit your waist.

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  276. Anotherview, I don’t think it’s really any kind of weakness. The anger and aggression about it is a sign of weakness, but the simply preferring White or Asian women definitely isn’t.

    It’s about adaptations. In equatorial regions and below, a woman needs a different set of adaptations to survive and thrive in her environment. Some aspects of facial and body attractiveness are pretty universal, but some are specific to what it took to successfully have children in a particular climate.

    In sub saharan Africa and some parts of south Asia, a person needs to have a broad nose, dark eyes, tough fast healing dark skin, and curly or at least bushy hair to survive well. Women in particular needed to carry fat in pockets, and not uniformly over the body. They’d die of heat stroke and lose mobility if it was evenly distributed.

    In Europe and northern parts of Asia, a person needed to have lighter skin in order to get enough vitamin D. When you get way north towards the arctic, there’s darker skin again, but that is because the reflection off the snow is like having UV rays coming from above and below, and there are periods of the year when the sun is shining 24/7.

    So what is considered beautiful to a person is usually related to what they view as a successful survivor. Culture may have some influence, and diversity seems to be good for many people living in mild climates. However, it’s perfectly normal for someone who likes how they look to like people who look like them. This will be the case even in people who cross the more obvious racial boundaries.

    Many White guys think some Asian women who Asian guys don’t think are so pretty because those Asian women have traits White guys view as feminine. An Asian man can look at the same woman and simply not see it because her wide eyes, square jaw, jutting chin, and fifty other features may make her look less ideally Asian to him, but she’s just what the White guy is looking for.

    Something that sticks in a guy from her particular home culture’s eye like a glaring assymetry or defect, might be attractive or simply not noticed by someone from a different culture.

    Much to the chagrin of many White men, what a Black guy finds attractive in a White woman may be considered a defect to a White guy. It’s even the same between real races. I think some Ethiopian guys are gorgeous who some Ethiopian women describe as hideous.

    Many Japanese women apparently find Korean men hot. It’s like a trend lately. The buzz is that Korean men are more masculine and rugged, and overall more handsome. Others may not understand what it is that they see, but if you know the cultures, you see that the Korean guy is like the Asian Black guy to Japanese women. They may articulate it as the other being better, but the truth is that in many cases, it’s that the ones from the other culture have more of what their culture views as ideal. So the root of the attraction is in their own culture really, not so much fascination with outsiders.

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  277. @another,

    “A step up from plain at best. it must be really easy being an asian woman around white guys”

    Honestly, you can’t see her face – and that’s 80% of how a chick looks… so perhaps I’m projecting a hot face on her. So I’m not sure we can say whether she’s f*ckable or not.

    But given where I live in the US most of the fuckable women are Han, and the Han women that end up here tend to be the better ones. So seeing a lot of hot Han women all the time leaves an impression on me. So I’m slowly developing a solid preference for Han women. I probably wouldn’t find Chineese chicks so hot if I lived in DC.

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  278. Tupac I wrestle with the issue of SWPL/liberal/feminist chicks. On the one hand, they’re women, with womanly desires, but it seems that a good portion of them GENUINELY want to be the leader in the marriage.

    What kind of bizarre re-wiring has gone on in their brains?

    Some women are just natural born leaders. For others, they see being the leader as a form of protection.

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  279. Her face is unattractive even with the blurring of the photograph – with better resolution, even more flaws would become apparent.

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  280. on September 5, 2009 at 7:13 pm Beta Detective

    Man leaps into river to escape wife’s nagging: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25912783-5013016,00.html

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  281. Beta Detective,

    That man must suffer from psychological problems to take such drastic measures to escape “nagging”.

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  282. Racerx And I really want to lick Clio’s delicious cunt before she gets married…

    *fans self*
    Has Roissy turned on the heat??? I mean the weather has been cooler but….

    tupac to racer x Get in line, pal.

    *clutches pearls*

    *chic hums to self*

    “I taste just like candy so take me”

    new commenter CunningLinguist

    *chic dead faints*

    @ Biting Beaver Is Missed- welcome back 

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  283. Aoefe As I said “I consider myself straight.” Both (only 2) women I was attracted to were very butch, manly women. Clio would not come close. Just sayin…

    Tupac Ah, but the door is ajar, at least somewhat, is it not? I just need to jam that entering wedge in and pry it open…

    *Femx comes thru the door with a toothpaste smile aimed str8 at aoefe.

    *doug bristles*

    ah sh*t, it’s gonna be hot tonight 😆

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  284. DA *e.g.: no nails, C cups, flat ass, potentially low IQ, no tattoos, tongue piercings, no heels, submissive, etc…

    I promised to run pussy game on attention hoes like you but I’ll bite

    Since when did you add tongue piercings??? You’ve never mentions that particular fetish before.

    I don’t understand how any woman would put such a thing in her mouth.

    off topic: I saw a cute boy with one the other day though. SMH I had to pull out my book and ipod so I could stop looking at him. Would you believe he was having a conversation that was partitally about “eating” with his friends. Chic Noir dreamed sweet dreams that night
    🙂

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  285. come on people, lets liven up the place!!!

    Oh I know what you guys want, more free drinks.

    Sorry, chic is temporarily out of cash for now.

    @caleb- you killed me.

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  286. “So I’m not sure we can say whether she’s f*ckable or not. ”

    Next to THAT? I don’t think that’s remotely in question.

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  287. Aren’t men who go to tanning booths gay/metro by definition?

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  288. @Tarl

    “Her face is unattractive even with the blurring of the photograph – with better resolution, even more flaws would become apparent.”

    It’s like one of those Rorschach ink blot tests. I’m an asian optimist.

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  289. Since when did you add tongue piercings??? You’ve never mentions that particular fetish before.

    It’s one of those things a girl needs to complete the “porn queen” look and illustrate desire for sex.

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  290. Hey David, I once kissed a girl with a toungue ring. It was kinda fun how it flew around in my mouth but I generally don’t like slut markers. Sheeee, you would have liked it. Ain’t life unfair? you are the one who would have truly appreciated her. SHe was slutty, too.

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  291. “It’s like one of those Rorschach ink blot tests. I’m an asian optimist.”

    There’s probably little difference between this chick and your typical white feminista.

    Asian proles tend to be hotter AND easier to tolerate.

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  292. Re: PA

    My mistress had one. While it didn’t make a difference per se in terms of oral sex, it was just a turn on knowing that she had one. And yes, kissing her was downright fun. Part of me misses making out her couch far more than the actual sex.

    Slut markers are a sign of sexual desire and appetite, and scream “fuck me” to me. I love my slut markers. 🙂

    SHe was slutty, too.

    So you fuck her until either party feels the need to move on or she gets pregnant*. Very simple.

    *Pick sluts that you could theoretically get along with in the medium to long-term in case she’s abortion averse and thinks your baby is alpha material baby…

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  293. And yes, kissing her was downright fun. Part of me misses making out her couch far more than the actual sex.

    It’s always the little things we remember… and with ho’s, some single guys tend to value GFE, the “gilfriend experience” — kisses, etc. more than sex itself.

    Slut markers are a sign of sexual desire and appetite, and scream “fuck me” to me. I love my slut markers.

    I find the opposite hot: a good girl. Good-girl markers scream “I’m top-shelf goods, and a little scared of you, you are a rare one to soil delight in them.”

    Though I admit on occasion or two I lusted (and once or twice got) an overheated piece of slut machine that drove me nuts with her overcharged presence, just with the force of her sexuality.

    So you fuck her until either party feels the need to move on or she gets pregnant

    That one I actually didn’t fuck. She came to my room at teh end of a party and we were both drunk. I made a move and she more than wanted it… but I passed out not too long after. I think she did too.

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  294. on September 5, 2009 at 9:43 pm msexceptiontotherule

    “Jack: Aren’t men who go to tanning booths gay/metro by definition?”

    I believe it’s only gay/metro if they talk about doing it like women who get spray-tans or into the tanning booth.

    I think that tanning should not be taken to the orangey-bronze-ish-leathery extremes which are a major sign of tanning addiction. Paying attention to the base color of the tan will usually be a great indicator of someone that gets spray-tanned so that you can avoid contact that might transfer some of that bronze adobe glow onto shirts, pants, scarves, shorts, skirts, skin, sheets, and the interior of your automobile. If you usually burn, peel, and repeat when exposed to the sun for longer than 5-10 minutes, you should really consider the long-term benefits of being closer in range to your natural skin color and pass on succumbing to the social pressure towards artificial and/or accelerated options which are of course, ridiculously expensive. Definitely more expensive than a decent brand of sunscreen worn daily regardless of any presence of cloud cover, that will usually mean less money you will be spending at the dermatologist’s office for skin cancer procedures that your insurance does not provide 100% coverage for.

    And I vote for giving the guy a paper bag to put over his head, unless he decides he should at least offer it to his wife in the spirit of sacrifice and generosity.

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  295. I’m not a fan of guys doing tanning booths. Gay.

    What does this guy need? A radical course of de-SWPLzation. Take a month’s leave of absence from his NGO foundation douche job. Go join a road crew. Lay asphalt. Help pour foundation concrete. Fetch materials on-site as helper. Sweat it the fuck out under the sun with Mexicans, from whom he will learn a thing or two.

    And then come back, tanned and possibly even almost worthy of his cheap khakis.

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  296. I feel like punching him in the face and taking his ill-gotten Asian home with me.

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  297. @william- now now. don’t hate on another man’s good fortune. you will get your own woman one day my good man.

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  298. It’s always the little things we remember… and with ho’s, some single guys tend to value GFE, the “gilfriend experience” — kisses, etc. more than sex itself.

    Admittedly, it’s been nearly three years since I last saw her, and six years from that fateful birthday, but while the vaginal sex was tiring, the blowjob was good, and loved kissing, cuddling, and holding her hands. It’s the latter that I miss deeply as I masturbate. Thus, you’ll sometimes note that I’ll have a crush on a girl, and the crush is limited to kissing, cuddling, and holding hands. The leap to oral sex is wide, and the leap to real sex is wider than the Grand Canyon.

    I guess you argue that for some men, the slut with the GFE experience is what turns us on and sometimes lulls us into a long-term relationship with women that it may be questionable to do so with.

    Though I admit on occasion or two I lusted (and once or twice got) an overheated piece of slut machine that drove me nuts with her overcharged presence, just with the force of her sexuality.

    See, even guys like you who want the good girls understand why I’m addicted to the visual delight of the “slut”. The raw display of sexuality is what leads one to desire and crave fucking a woman. The cute girls just don’t bring that from me, and while it’s easy to imagine making out with a cute girl on a couch, it’s another to imagine fucking her, and cuteness destroys that capability.

    but I passed out not too long after. I think she did too.

    Hehe, you missed out, possibly on something good and quite potentially, something bad.

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  299. See, even guys like you who want the good girls understand why I’m addicted to the visual delight of the “slut”.

    The two turbocharged sluts I have in my mind… the visual was very secondary, if that. I mean their looks. Though both were OK looking. Nothing special if you saw them in a photo, except maybe for the “don’t trust me, I’m wild” twinkle in one’s eye, and a “bitch ice princess who needs to be fist-punched” in the other’s.

    It was more olfactory. There was somethign extremely hormonal about those two girls. Maybe a hyperproducing pheremone gland or something. I was like a tazed dope from an episode of Cops in thier presence.

    I did sleep with the “wild” one, but had to content myself with accidentally seeing the “ice princess’s” tits (she was a group house roommate.)

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  300. In Response to Ghost of Nicole & Chambliss:

    I’m only observing and reporting the phenomenon, not trying to alter the situation.

    The HBD-Crowd are carrying the comment-momentum and driving away the Game-Crowd.

    Roissy has stated he’s more or less indifferent to this development.

    So let it be.

    To Roissy:

    I just finished reading “The Elementary Particles” and “Platform”; I’m currently in the middle of “The Possibility of an Island”.

    I definitely see Houellebecq’s influences in your writing and views.

    I was wondering if I could convince you to do a blog post about this and any other writers that have shaped your ideas?

    To Roosh/VK/The G Manifesto/Roissy/T. Ricky Raw/Etc.:

    In your views, what are the best ways to break up with a girl you genuinely care about and another girl who you are just sexually involved with?

    Much obliged.

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  301. @chic noir ~ I have my own “good woman,” thanks very much. In fact, I have more than one. Been there, done that, little one. Point is, the beta dude in the pic needs his ass kicked. Hard. And as for his Asian gf–well, she needs a good seeing to, by a non-beta chap. Despicable.

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  302. Been there, done that, little one. Point is, the beta dude in the pic needs his ass kicked. Hard. And as for his Asian gf–well, she needs a good seeing to, by a non-beta chap. Despicable.

    Let their relationship implode first, and then intrude into their world…

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  303. I just finished reading “The Elementary Particles” and “Platform”; I’m currently in the middle of “The Possibility of an Island”.

    Do you recommend “Possibility/Island?” I liked Whatever and Elementary Particles but Platform felt very… unmemorable. Rehashing of same old themes.

    I definitely see Houellebecq’s influences in your writing and views

    I believe Roissy was unaware of this author until a few people mentioned him here a few months ago, and he may have recently stated that he has not gotten around to reading him yet.

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  304. In Response to PA:

    I would definitely recommend “The Possibility of an Island”.

    The style is different from the previous two books as Frank Wynne was not the translator, but the “ugly truths” are just as powerful.

    I let a coworker read an excerpt and she immediately declared that it was one of the “truest and most disturbing things” she has ever read.

    I absolutely agree.

    Also, I find it hilarious and suspicious that Roissy has not read Houellebecq, yet.

    “Roissy Airport” is an oft mentioned place throughout Houellebecq’s novels and Roissy himself could easily be a leading character in any of Houellebecq’s stories.

    It is uncanny!

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  305. Oh William you have such nice guns!

    *time to break this important discussion with a needless flirt. Back to business y’all*

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  306. @Ruby

    I believe Roissy’s name comes from the Story of O if I’m not mistaken.

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  307. Here you can see Brigitte Bardot kissing Jane Birkin:

    [editor: goddamn this vid is hot. the lady and i just watched it. fuckin foreplay it is.]

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  308. Houellebecq? Glad someone finally mentioned him. He’s been writing about this since the early 1990s. His book ‘Elementary Particles’ lampooned the sexual ‘law of the jungle’ that prevails in the West. Also see ‘Whatever’. As usual, Americans are behind the curve on these matters. American chicks gush at the mention of French.

    …@aoefe ~ therefore you might be interested to check him out. I don’t suppose you know French though, luckily there are English translations for people like you. “Guns”?

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  309. The most memorable parts of Whatever were the disco scene (“I was in hell”) and the hillarious/tragic description of a fat girl’s life.

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  310. I went on a couple dates with a doctorate student in Philosophy and Literature who was doing a dissertation on Houellebecq. His writing is rather pessimistic, isn’t it? Imaginative, but the easiest route to take.

    PA,

    You do have a thing for Jane Birkin, don’t you? Didn’t you post Je T’aime, Moi Non Plus previously?

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  311. The best scene in ‘Whatever,’ IMO, is when the narrator explains to Raphael that he will never be the subject of a young girl’s erotic dream, and that he should pursue a career of murder because that is the only way he will be able to possess them. Twisted and sick, maybe, but this is how some frustrated betas think, I’m sure.

    I also like the scene where they spy a reptilian negro making out with a French girl in the sand, and yet they refuse to shoot him. Which I found disappointing.

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  312. French pessimism is so done…

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  313. @william

    Lucky enough to have 10 years of French living in Canada and being schooled privately for some of my education. That said I read french off of shampoo bottle with an amazing accent and can not understand more than a few random words.

    I do know however

    Les Français aiment le vin

    Moi aussi et toi?

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  314. Sophie, yeah, I like Birkin. I like her petite breasts. Her daughter Charlotte’s too. And I see something of Serge Gainsboro in me. Seeing him smoke in those old videos makes me almost wanna go back to my old habit. And he has the same sexy whimsical playfulness I do. Except I lift weights, unlike that skinny French hippy fuck.

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  315. Parlons-nous Francais, maintenant?

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  316. Charlotte Gainsbourg could look a million times better if she brushed her hair and put on a little makeup every now and then. It was painful to watch her in La science des rêves. It was almost as if her contrived “ugliness” was supposed to lend the film more artistic credibility. Her mother had a bit more class, at least in terms of fashion.

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  317. @aoefe ~ oui moi aussi, en fait j’ai juste consommé une bouteille de vin d’afrique de sud (sp?). I can read it certainly, but have slight difficulties following even Kerouac in (recorded) conversation. There’s a splendid Youtube documentrary on Celine with which I’ve been trying to keep up.

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  318. The extent of my French was when I was in southern France in 1997 and wanted to get to the beaches — I said to a cop: Monsieur gendarme, où est la plage? Je veux voir femmes aux seins nus.

    It was from a Berlitz tape I bought prior to my trip, plus a dictionary.

    But what I should have said was Vive la Légion. According to legend, French public officials are required to direct you to a French Foreign Legion recruiter upon hearing these words.

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  319. Louis Ferdinand Celine–not Celine Dion.

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  320. Je préfère Allemande. C’est une plus honnête parole.

    Watch me butcher that…

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  321. That Gainsbourg/Birkin video is embarrassing. They used to play that theme song in Soho (London) peep shows in the 1980s.

    This is what I like:

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  322. @william

    Funny – I did think Celine Dion.

    I unfortunately did not just finish a bottle. sigh…

    My silly comment above regarding guns was in reference to two things – your gun in your avatar and your ‘guns’ (biceps). Il peut être difficile de me prendre mais je suis aimable. 🙂

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  323. I have to admit that woman in William’s video is very, very sexy. I’d rate her a nine. What do the dude’s think? I loved her voice too. I’m mini crushing.

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  324. Understood. I just finished a bottle of red, Groot Constantia Shiraz 2007, from South Africa.

    My avatar depicts one of my favourite writers, Auberon Waugh (Son of Evelyn), wearing a City suit and bowler and wielding a shotgun. I find it hilarious (knowing Auberon you would understand), but I suspect that’s just me.

    I am not showing my biceps here, I think.

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  325. @William

    No I realize your biceps weren’t showing, it was a joke. J’aime être drôle je suis réussi une partie du temps.

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  326. Gorgeous. This one also get my blood flowing:

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  327. What about the other Ye Ye girls? Can we forget the overtly sexual Les Succettes by France Gall? Serge Gainsbourg wrote it, I think. The pervert.

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  328. Wasn’t Wikinson’s girlfriend with Julian Sanchez before?

    It seems she’s attracted to metrosexual men. If that’s the case, it makes sense that she’s with someone who wishes he was gay.

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  329. But what I should have said was Vive la Légion. According to legend, French public officials are required to direct you to a French Foreign Legion recruiter upon hearing these words.

    IIRC, the Foreign Legion seems to recruit a sizable number of Eastern Europeans, so I could see you fitting in, especially given the history and legend of the group. Of course, there’s a sizable chance that you’d end up sitting in Southern France doing nothing…

    Re: French speaking skills.

    Oddly, despite four years of high school French, some classes in college, and family from a de facto francophone nation, my French is still hideous, and I’m losing more and more of it everyday. Interestingly, I can manage to read a wikipedia article in French about trains, and I’ll manage to have some clue of what they’re talking about.

    Je m’appelle David Alexander, et j’habite dans l’état de New York aux États-Unis. Je suis américain d’orgin haïtien. J’ai des famille qui habite au Canada en Ottawa and Montréal. Je voudrais visiter la France parce que je pense le pays est beau. Aussi, la France a les train les plus vite dans le monde. 🙂

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  330. France Gall was the 60’s Britney. Check out this vid.

    [editor: france gall = 10. sacre bleu!]

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  331. Crap…sorry Roissy. Je me retirerai pour la nuit (aka Elvis has left the building).

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  332. David – I’m surprised – for some reason I thought you speak French at home and that you speak it almost as well as English.

    Going back to khakis, the original topic of this thread — here is a good reason to hate them:

    The Khakis that laugh
    A handful of us against an massive force
    With our backs to the clifs of the mountains
    They think its over for us

    But the heart of a Boer is deeper and wider, they will come to see
    On a horse he comes, the lion of West Transvaal

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  333. @aoefe ~ take some aspirin and hurry along to bed.

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  334. David – I’m surprised – for some reason I thought you speak French at home and that you speak it almost as well as English.

    It’s primarily because my parents speak Creole to each other like most Haitians in the United States do including those of “middle class” origins. Haitians in Canada in contrast tend to maintain their French and Creole skills. To avoid a long drawn out story, let’s just say that the speech therapists preferred that my parents only speak English to me to aid me in learning to speak since I had difficulties when I was younger. So sadly I’m left with cruddy French and Creole skills.

    I should note that my parents do speak French, and since my dad spent ten years more in Haiti, his French was far better than my mom’s French, but since I’m a sub-human prick who didn’t like being repeated corrected on my pronunciation and grammar and struggling with vocabulary while searching for the word I needed in French, I decided not to take advantage of that in my later years, and I avoided speaking French with him. Of course with my dad passing away, I regret not taking advantage of those opportunities when I had the chance.

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  335. I’m a sub-human prick

    Odd to see you use this formulation in a non-Game/sex context. I have to say, a parent passing away, as I heard, has a way of bringing out all kinds of emotions about who/what we are or grew up into. It’s like it’s a freeing thng, but also an angry self-assessment. Both of my parents are still alive, but they are at an age where passing away isn’t seen as “tragic” any more.

    The language thing… I had three younger sisters when we came to the US (one passed away many years ago) but my two sisters barely speak their native language. They understand it 100%. But sound like they are retarded when they speak it. and generally for that reason prefer to avoid speaking it. Mabe this self-conciousness (plus ordinary laziness) kept you from trying too hard at Frenchor Creole.

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  336. Odd to see you use this formulation in a non-Game/sex context.

    My dad was a superman who put with my mom and her nagging tendencies, and he worked himself to the extreme to take care of my brother and I. He was much stronger than me, and at times, I’ve argued that he’s far smarter. He could do anything that he set himself to doing, and I’ve seen him fix anything. In contrast, I’m just merely a frail sub-human that can’t even accomplish a tenth of what he was capable of doing. That’s why I’m a sub-human male.

    The language thing…

    If you look at the first generation born in the States, all of us have some degree of understanding of Creole whenever our parents speak, and all of us with the exception of my older brother have had some type of instruction in French. With the exception of my second oldest cousin, most of us still speak some limited French, but mostly with older family members who refuse to speak Creole and don’t speak English. As for the second generation, none of the children speak French, and with the exception of one niece, they have limited understanding of Creole. If I have children, I’d probably ensure that they speak French just maintain the language in the family…

    As for my speaking habits, I generally just found it easier to speak and express my thoughts in English than the fritter away my useless brain power on attempting to transcribe my thoughts into French to make sure that I could speak properly. So instead of searching for the right vocabulary and conjugation and dealing with the corrections, it was just easier to speak English, and then throw around a few words of French to those who didn’t speak it to sound fancy and special.

    And yes, I do sound retarded when I attempt to speak. My mom doesn’t understand me and my cousins make fun of me…

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  337. “And as for his Asian gf–well, she needs a good seeing to, by a non-beta chap. ”

    Rest assured – JerrDogg is out on the prowl seeing to it that these underserved Asian chicks get spoiled and defiled with me as fast as I can.

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  338. Ew, Asians. Why would you?

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  339. whiskey
    Xsplat — It’s a regional thing. Out here in SoCal, Khakis = herb, jeans = creative guy. Particularly in Web development, every high rolling exec has jeans. Suits are almost entirely absent. Khakis are the uniform of the cubical dweller.

    Got it. I disdain suits, myself. I consider office workers who (must) wear them as the slave class. And I agree that jeans are the ultimate fuck you to suit wear.

    I just prefer a heavily textured weave that isn’t denim. And lately I favor dark kaki colors.

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  340. PA “Goes without saying that the shirt was worn untucked. You can only pull this off if you don’t have a gut.”

    Well, let’s think. If a man can pull off pulling pussy when he’s poor, I wonder if a man can pull off pulling pussy with a gut is also a good thing.

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  341. PA

    Because it’s like he’s wearing a herb uniform. In better clothes he’s probably feel manlier.

    Men don’t shop, and we don’t shop for shoes.

    It’s hard work to get a style.

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  342. PA

    Because it’s like he’s wearing a herb uniform. In better clothes he’s probably feel manlier.

    Men don’t shop, and we don’t shop for shoes.

    It’s hard work to get a style.

    My simple trick is to buy shirts with heavy weave fabricks and cut the collars off them. Chinese colars, with a good fabric. It stands out, yet is understated.

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  343. These Herb shots are nauseating, we need to liven this place up with fresh pussy.

    Here’s my fav cutie/hottie- Deborah Gibson – (80’s pop star, still hot today), watch this:

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  344. PA:

    Do you recommend “Possibility/Island?” I liked Whatever and Elementary Particles but Platform felt very… unmemorable. Rehashing of same old themes.

    I also found “Platform” by far the weakest of Houellebecq’s novels, but I liked “The Possibility of an Island” much more. It’s not up to the level of his first two novels, but it’s still very good, with several extremely memorable scenes and great passages that were nowhere to be found in “Platform.” One of the main themes that’s explored in greater depth than in previous novels is the frightful and pointless suffering that old (and even middle) age necessarily becomes in a post-patriarchal liberal culture that no longer finds any real value in anything except the passions of youth. It also takes a few deliciously cynical stabs at the sexual revolutionaries of the previous generation and has some great comments about male-female dynamics in general.

    Overall, the novel is extremely dark. By the final chapter, the level of misanthropy reaches such extremes that it makes his previous novels look humanely warm in comparison. Also, it partly rehashes the post-human plot ideas from “The Elementary Particles,” though in a much more sinister way. Still, it’s a very good read, and I’d recommend it to anyone who liked the early novels.

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  345. on September 6, 2009 at 6:14 am msexceptiontotherule

    I don’t think this guy would be permitted by the wife to
    have the time for the option of enlisting a female friend (provided that he could even find a woman willing to be seen in public or acknowledge him as a friend) for guidance on his wardrobe malfunctions whom he could count on to tell him the hard and spirit-crushing truths about what his body language and demeanor is telling everyone who happens to see him as they go about their days, months, years, decades….But he probably can at least comfort himself with the knowledge of having sex more than that Sodini guy did.

    Sometimes there will be the one stray that just can’t be rehabilitated enough to be returned into its natural environment and simply will not be allowed to rejoin the larger group because it is obviously deficient and a detriment if allowed to stick around. Since we can’t exactly take him out to the shed and put him out of his misery, and his wife is almost certain to lack the drive to chase him off until he stops trying to follow at a distance and crawls off to find a place to lay down and die, we should lobby for the right to arrange for the service of a compassionate sniper, so as to shorten the time we have to see someone suffer with such a lack of dignity.

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  346. on September 6, 2009 at 7:30 am The Cunning Linguist

    He’s not a “schmendrick; “schmendrick” means fat-ass.

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  347. on September 6, 2009 at 8:28 am too late for romance

    L’Emmerdeur

    If you are a large, manly sort with intimidation issues (that’s me), you need something to soften you up a touch. Again, I would never use one these days, I’ve found alternatives to making me a tad more “approachable” without resorting to metrosexual gimmickry.

    What alternatives do you use?

    As a very large gym rat with a bald shaved head and beard, I occasionally wear pastels and other more effeminate colors, but only because they are balanced out by my lineman/wrestler/bouncer body type. I could definitely use more open body language and gratuitous smiling but that is just not my style.

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  348. I liked Claudine Longet before she imploded.

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  349. Speaking of Charlotte Gainsbourg, if you’re interested, you should check out her new movie “Antichrist”

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  350. Dave Alex, PA,

    Something Dave Alex said, about his late father, really struck a chord with me:

    “My dad was a superman who put with my mom and her nagging tendencies, and he worked himself to the extreme to take care of my brother and I. He was much stronger than me, and at times, I’ve argued that he’s far smarter. He could do anything that he set himself to doing, and I’ve seen him fix anything. In contrast, I’m just merely a frail sub-human that can’t even accomplish a tenth of what he was capable of doing. That’s why I’m a sub-human male.”

    Recently I was hanging out w/Brown Sugah and some of her close college friends, and this subject came up, the “road ahead” so to speak. Here at Roissy’s, we often speak about this within the context of Game, but as we all know, its a lot bigger than that.

    Dave Alex’s dad, while a Haitian immigrant, nevertheless came from a generation of Black Men who just did the damned thing. And they often faced grave odds, just to make it day to day. Yet, they managed to raise families.

    My own grandfather was married to my grandmother until the day she died, July 1997, some FIFTY YEARS. She had a stroke nearly a decade before that, took out her whole left side. For almost ten years, I watched this man bathe his wife, help her into her night clothes, etc. My mom and sisters helped out, because my grandad still worked and was a deacon in the church, but still, he often acted alone at least half of the week in this regard. His example, in addition to qualities Dave Alex described about his dad, made a powerful impression on me. And I always said to myself, if I could be just *half* the Man he was, I’d be a smashing success.

    My dad had many faults, but I can’t say that we ever missed a meal or sat in a cold house with the lights out. And having worked w/my dad, I know for a fact that he worked HARD. I’ve described some of the jobs we did together here in this forum. No way in hell are we gonna see guys today doing that. Which explains in large part why the Mexicans are among us.

    We, not just Black folk, but Whites, *have* changed. And in my view, not for the better. And as I thought about my dad and grandad a little while back while hanging out and talking about these issues with friends, something really dawned on me:

    Me and Dave Alex, we may be the *last generation* who can directly recall seeing Men like his dad and mine and my grandad. And seeing their example of a quiet, dignified Manhood, who despite real hinderances, indigities and day to day bullshit, just Manned Up and did the damned thing. The generations that came up behind us, won’t even know what a Man caring for his ailing wife looks like. I have sisters. Luckily for all of us, most of them were able to marry, not a small feat for Black Women in our time. But there are millions of Black Women who will have no choice BUT to face their twilight years alone.

    And they’ll be fewer, if any, mentors in guides in the form of Dave Alex’s dad and mine, to teach Black boys how to be Men. That realization, that cold bitchslap of reality, really left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Damn.

    The Obsidian

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  351. on September 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm ironrailsironweights

    These Herb shots are nauseating, we need to liven this place up with fresh pussy.

    Okay.

    Peter

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  352. As for Ruby’s concerns/observations wrt racially-charged invective being hurled by some here in the forum, yes, he’s right-it has indeed had a noticeable impact on both the quality o comments and as well the overall tone of the forum itself. And he’s right to note the departure of several very insightful commenters/members, T aka Ricky Raw perhaps the most notable.

    My own personal view, after giving this some thought, is that the main reason why the racial scapegoating goes on so much here is because ofthe simple fact that a lot of guys, in this case White guys, are deeply aggrieved and disaffected. Simply put, its not by accident that the very same commenters rarely if ever comment anywhere near as much about Game. This is because for the most part, they can’t.

    And since they can’t comment cogently about Game, it means that they probably aren’t getting any pussy either. Which is the case for most Males at any given time or locale.

    So, it makes sense why these guys would racially scapegoat, especially given the well known and fairly agreed upon fact, that on average, Black guys get more action than do White. Sour grapes and plain ole Hatin’ is no joke, lemme tell you.

    And its for that reason that a lot of people get turned off at some point. And while I freely admit that I’ve participated in the “racial discussions” here and elsewhere, I’ve decided to try to turn my focus more towards actually helping guys, who in most cases tend to be White by the way, get some measure of happiness in their lives. Which, for the majority of Men, means between a Woman’s thighs.

    I think if we all kind of deliberately did this, and demanded it of each other, the overall quality of the forum could be improved.

    Just my thoughts on the matter.

    The Obsidian

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  353. That’s probably an Astoria Federal Savings commercial or some other bank that’s “bending over backwards” for your business.

    True that guy is a true herb.

    I had no idea they are married. But then again I guess this is either a cold approach by a herb, or that. Because normal herbs don’t cold approach unless they read The Game.

    Roissy I have a question for you — is your name from Story of O?

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  354. iron … THANK YOU that will make me stop putitng the pussy on a pedestal! I THINK THAT PIC IS A FAST WAY TO MAKE A MAN OF A BOY 🙂

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  355. Obsidian, the bitterness and sour grapes is something I don’t agree with, but I understand as a kind of a phase. It’s like a cloud that many need to vent and hash out in order to break through.

    It’s similar to the bitterness of many Black women I’ve encountered. From their point of view, it’s like they’ve been pushed into a corner with few socially acceptable ways out. People who are less invested in social acceptance are going to have an easy time breaking out and going wherever they get respect. Most people are very socially invested though, and for very good reasons.

    Everybody can’t and shouldn’t be extremely independent thinkers in a civilized society. Some structure is needed to keep a society peaceful. What’s needed is for people who are socially invested to still be critical thinkers. That’s something that can be trained into people.

    Instead, what we have is millions of men all reaching for the same prize, which creates a kind of law of the jungle mentality, rather than a civilized one. When those who don’t get that prize miss out, they feel like losers.

    For White men in the U.S. that prize is a hot and yet miraculously devoted White woman. Forget that they’re now living in a habitat that favors a variety of adaptations. Their society promotes a certain ideal that looks like their female counterpart, and makes instinctive sense to them. It should. It looks like their mom and their sisters when they were young.

    It is the same ideal as in Russia, Romania, England, etc. but the difference between the U.S. and elsewhere is the fetishization of the “blonde bimbo”. In Europe, the European descended woman isn’t fetishized. It’s normal. It’s so normal that as I mentioned about real race in another post, a Russian can tell the difference between an ugly and a pretty skinny White woman with a higher level or criticism than an American generic White guy usually could, and expontentially higher than a Black guy could.

    Because they’ve been fetishized and pedestalized, they’re invisible in a way. This is why White guys don’t know how to deal with them anymore. They’ve had this image pushed to them by the same media that has been screwing us up. It’s easy to view White guys as villains since a few of them are the ones putting the money into that monster, but that’s just a coincidence really. Those guys at the top making money are doing so on everybody else’s back, including the White guys with less money who pay them to tell them what a woman should look like and behave like.

    So they’re sold a scam that these fetish representatives deserve to sit on a pedestal and take advantage of men because they were born. Some women (I won’t mention any names) have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth of superiority over other women, and it shows in how they diss others for simply having optimal adaptations to the environment their ancestors were from.

    My advice is about the same as Roissy’s: go to eastern Europe. There a White guy can find sufficiently hot women who are not fetishized. They’re just women doing woman stuff. Bonus, they can latch onto a real European culture and just be men doing man stuff, and not hosts to fetishized parasites.

    Not everybody can make that leap, so then my advice would be to ease up on one’s racial restrictions. Figure out what’s one’s true preference, and what is just for show, and discard the show stuff. If you find a blue woman with green polka dots and ten eyes who treats you with respect and turns you on, go for it.

    As much as I love my cultures and find Black men the most beautiful on the planet, I found that I have more in common values wise with a Polish Israeli than I had with guys who lived right next door to me in the U.S.

    So sometimes I think the racists are trying to convince themselves more than others. It’s awfully shrill, and kind of a distraction to keep from thinking about and doing what they really need to think about and do.

    Most of them don’t come off to me as villains…just guys who need to be told a few more times that individuals are not statistics.

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  356. The fastest way to piss off an ex-white gf is to date an asian girl.

    The fastest way to piss off an ex-black gf is to date a white girl.

    I am not sure about Asian girls or South asian girls in pissing them off. Perhaps subtle raciality (i.e. date Koreans to pisss off Jap ex’s and vice versa, date Indians to piss off paki’s and vice-versa).

    and tjf is a troll.

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  357. “and tjf is a troll.”

    No, you are. This has been demonstrated many times, and you have demonstrated it once again.

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  358. Hmm..looking for a little bit of guidance.

    I was in a new city last night (MY city, heh) just walking the streets, and trying to get a feel for the night scene.

    I stumble into a sharp, little place, with a clientele that is slightly older then the joints I usually rock.

    I was only in there for a moment, because I felt that A) I was underdressed, and B) I was…have to admit it… a little intimidated.

    I KNOW! The shame!

    So, to get to the brass tax…what would be the best way for a young, strapping (if they ask for it) 20 year old, to open up, say… a 25-30+ set of three?

    This might just be morbid curiosity and Whiskey sours talking. I’ve never been with anyone older than 22.

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  359. Eastern Europe is a great option, really, if men can swing it. Particularly the Baltics, Ukraine and Russia itself. The men I know who have managed to expat there for a while (mostly professional guys) have, almost to the man, found truly fantastic wives there — brainy, beautiful and feminine. Much better than they could have found in the US.

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  360. Arrakis, what are you thinking?

    I mean really, unless you have a particular fetish or at least strong sexual inclination towards older women in particular, why would you even want to go there?

    In an old people meat market, it’s just the emotional dregs. The women who are still single are single for a good reason. If it’s an anti hoe pub then if the women are there to pick up at all, they’re looking for someone older and more established.

    I’m sure some of the guys here will have some tips that will work as far as getting laid, but it’s the after party I’m worried about. Single women in that age group are high pregnancy risks. We won’t even get into the drama risk. If you’re a young man on your way up, you do not want to become the hoe retirement plan.

    Please, please, please don’t do that to yourself. I’m watching that train wreck happen to a friend’s brother. He knocked up a woman 10 years older than himself. Please just don’t go there.

    If, on the other hand, you do have a fetish, just know what you’re dealing with. Wear a condom no matter what she tells you, and if it breaks or rolls off, I don’t care if you’re one stroke away, abort mission and fix your equipment.

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  361. With regards to the leg-crossing, I think it’s all about context. Take Mad Men’s Don Draper:

    That man is unquestionably alpha, despite the crossed legs. It’s all about how you carry yourself. Beta actions are only beta because of who is performing them.

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  362. Whoops, forgot the image:

    Alpha.

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  363. on September 6, 2009 at 4:17 pm Cannon's Canon

    Here is a porno vid of a limp-wristed hipster douche fucking two hot chicks. There is an important message to be gleaned here: the HERB ATTACK! is happening on many fronts.

    http://www.cliphunter.com/w/448236/Reality_At_Its_Best

    While it is a ‘vanilla’ scene, it is one of the strangest porn scenes I have ever witnessed. The herb even slaps one of the girls across the face a few times.

    I think it is acceptable to cry afterward if you jerk it to this video.

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  364. “My mistress had one. While it didn’t make a difference per se in terms of oral sex, it was just a turn on knowing that she had one. And yes, kissing her was downright fun. Part of me misses making out her couch far more than the actual sex.”

    So David Alexander isn’t nearly the loser he pretends to be. Some guys make it well past your age without ever having a “mistress”.

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  365. on September 6, 2009 at 5:04 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I am not sure about Asian girls or South asian girls in pissing them off. Perhaps subtle raciality (i.e. date Koreans to pisss off Jap ex’s and vice versa, date Indians to piss off paki’s and vice-versa).

    No no no. It is easier than that.

    East Asian : Date an attractive woman with big tits.

    South Asian : Date any woman quickly, period. They hate seeing that a man can move on in short order.

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  366. “So David Alexander isn’t nearly the loser he pretends to be. Some guys make it well past your age without ever having a “mistress”.”

    Yep… he beat me by several years. What a blow to my ego.

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  367. Nichole said:

    “Those guys at the top making money are doing so on everybody else’s back,… ”

    Off topic but this is only sort of true. I’d say about 1/2 of it is making money on other peoples back and about 1/2 of it is “luck”. But it’s the kind of “luck” that you can only have a shot at having if you stick your neck out. You have to take huge risks and piss a lot of people off to make changes in the business world. 90% of the time it fails horribly. I’ll probably fail and be humiliated.

    If we took the fat carrot away (i.e. by super high taxes), we wouldn’t have people sticking their neck out and the rate of innovation would stall. It’s unfair but I can’t think of a plausible different system that would work better.

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  368. The ad in the background is, ironically, for Washington Sports Club, a chain of fitness centers in the DC area.

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  369. Bonus points for “schmendrick.”

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  370. on September 6, 2009 at 5:34 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obese-dian wrote :

    So, it makes sense why these guys would racially scapegoat, especially given the well known and fairly agreed upon fact, that on average, Black guys get more action than do White.

    The well-known and fairly agreed-upon fact is that black men will go out of their way to pursue fatties that no other race of men will touch. Willard, Cannon’s Canon, PA, gig, dana, Esquire, Doug1, Tupac, and even David Alexander will agree. Roissy even had polls that prove this.

    You still don’t comprehend the notion of quantity vs. quality. You fuck three fatties, while I fuck one hottie. Yet you interpret that as you ‘getting laid more’, even though a simple poll would show that virtually all non-black men would rather be in by shoes.

    In other words, the average white man would NOT want to have the sex life of the average black man. Absolutely NOT.

    And before you trot out the ‘Wal-Mart’ example, I actually saw the fattest black woman ever at Wal-Mart the other day. When she moved through the aisle of cleaning detergents, she disturbed both sides of the aisle. Imagine knocking over produces on BOTH sides of the aisle! Wal-Marts in black areas will have to increase aisle width, therefore reducing the number of aisles and hence store inventory. Store revenue will drop, and Wal-Mart will have to exit from black areas, on account of black female obesity ruining the business model. Dark matter is a cosmic force too powerful for even Wal-Mart to contain.

    Her skin texture was elephantine as well, so you should have been there to run ‘mahout Game’ on her, introducing yourself as “Obese-dian the Ass-trologer”.

    White men who are stuck with fat white women are not by choice, they are trapped. Whereas black men actively seek out fat women (and you are an outlier even with that proclivity).

    Quantity vs. quality. Get it?

    Now, regarding racism, virtually every group gets smeared here. The most overtly racist/genocidal person here is Loserfer, who openly hopes for white extermination, and was the only person here to say the women Sodini killed deserved it, and Sodini did a good thing.

    So the most extreme person here is anti-white.

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  371. lurker

    tokyo, you are wrong, you are a troll.

    Neither of these allegations have ever been proven, though it has conclusively been proven over, over, over, over, over, over and over again that you are a troll.

    You really have a mental sickness of some kind. You need help. It’s been, I think, at least six months since you lost that argument, and you’re still going on and on about it.

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  372. Jerr, I wasn’t talking about big businessmen in general, just the ones at the head of the cosmetics, fashion, and entertainment industries. They make the money off of convincing women that they’re not good enough, and convincing men that the available women aren’t good enough.

    What’s telling is that very few non Whites, females, or Gay men who get into the top positions, ever do anything real to solve the problem. Like, they’ll promote makeup for women with darker complexions, but never say don’t wear foundation makeup until you actually get some wrinkles that need covering.

    Dove is one of the few companies that promotes real beauty. They also have kick ass products the whole family can use. I don’t know the numbers, but they seem to be making a lot of money with that approach…at least on this side of the pond. I don’t know how it’s really going at store level in the U.S. Here they had to make the sizes in gift sets full size, and people love them and ask for more…but this is rugged people country. The fresh look is still in here.

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  373. Mu’Min Seeks Fat WuMin said:

    Now, regarding racism, virtually every group gets smeared here.

    It’s true. Arguably, Lucifer is harmless since he’s so oblivious about everything he says, and I don’t think anyone takes him seriously or feels hurt about his comments. I feel sorry for the black commenters here because sometimes the statements can be construed personally. I think we can fairly say the black Americans here have it the worst.

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  374. http://usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/kate-gosselin-fired-40-staffers-in-3-months-200949

    The new issue of Us Weekly reports that Jon & Kate mom Kate Gosselin — known for being short with her husband, Jon Gosselin — is even more combative with her family and employees. Baby nurse Angela Krall, who watched the sextuplets as infants for more than a year, tells Us that the short-fused Kate fired 40 nurses and nurse’s aides in the three months before she was hired.

    A 2005 Associated Press story reported that a pre-TV Gosselin had petitioned the state to extend payments for Krall, whose fees were first paid by Medicaid (Jon was unemployed; Medicaid provides limited assistance to premature babies). “Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births,” the AP reported. While Kate praised Krall in the same story, Krall reveals that Kate posted “demeaning” signs in every room detailing rules, and fired one woman on the spot for washing her hands in the kitchen instead of the bathroom. “Kate flipped,” says Krall. “She thought it was cross-contamination.”

    That level of perfectionism also tore her apart from her father, Kenton Kreider, a pastor, after he gave her cribs donated by his parishioners. “They didn’t match and Kate rejected them,” says a family source. “Things like that caused a rift.” Krall, who says all six babies ended up with matching cribs, tells Us Kate “thought they were owed stuff. The money factor was huge.”

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  375. MSFW, it’s not about the fat. It’s about what is beautiful in the eye of a person who was adapted for sub saharan Africa, maybe mixed with a bit of the harsher areas of Europe, and most probably also mixed with the swamps or deserts of the southern U.S.

    None of us is so historically far from our homelands as to be completely out of touch with our natural preferences. A Black guy might go as far out of the way as to choose a White woman, but most of the time she’ll still have somewhat African looking features that generic White American guys might view as ugly.

    Notice that most of the things you find ugly about White women you see Black guys with are the same things you find ugly about Black women. Fat is just one of them. If you can, you might want to take note of the distribution of that fat. It’s most likely that they’re top heavy or bottom heavy…very seldom uniformly fat all over with thick “milkmaid” lower legs.

    Most Black guys I know who can handle lots of junk in the trunk, and even some belly fat, will wretch at the sight of knankles or shelbows. A girl can be heavy in the torso, but she’s got to have well defined limbs and a striking face.

    You should really spend some time in an Asian forum. If you see what Asian guys have to say about White men who go for Asian women, you’ll feel like you’re being echoed. Relatively skinny White women are grotesquely fat to many of them.

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  376. amazing how the women and jews here can take a harsh word and deal with it honestly while the most vocal blacks immediately not only deny any truth in racism and impute all opinions they don’t like to character flaws on the part of the people making unpopular observations about them

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  377. JerrDogg,

    Making money by risking other people’s money is NOT real risk taking. Heck, you could lose all their money and still get a fat bonus.

    Your ideas on capitalism are not unlike die hard communists.. “if only the system was implemented perfectly”. Wake up, there is no perfect implementation for any system! It all boils down to real world performance.

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  378. on September 6, 2009 at 6:17 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Arguably, Lucifer is harmless since he’s so oblivious about everything he says, and I don’t think anyone takes him seriously

    True – not even his own race wants anything to do with his views, as I repeatedly point out. But he is openly genocidal, which no one else here of any race is.

    I think we can fairly say the black Americans here have it the worst.

    I’m not sure. Very little starts without Obese-dian’s proactive baiting about some imaginary ‘black sexual supremacy’, which is heavily tinted through the lens of his own specialized and uncommon sexual fetish. You don’t see me making fun of BMM, Nicole, or DA much, because they aren’t race-baiters to begin with.

    Obsidian’s admitted sexual fetishes are a gold-mine of comedy opportunity, which Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, and others have done great work with. Hence the draw.

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  379. dana,

    So why do whites get upset when I point out that their ancestors thew shit and piss out of their houses (on to the street) till the 1850s. If you were any better, you would have devised sewage treatment at the same time cities were built.

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  380. …and a hoe on the generic White team’s nerve has been struck.

    Thusfar, neither myself nor Obsidian has denied any “truth” in racism. I’ve even gone as far as to say that some of it is quite natural, and even people in intercultural relationships tend to have some of it, and that it affects their looks based selection.

    That left field remark is an automatic regurgitation Dana, and not going to fly in a forum of men as easily as it would among women who don’t like to read.

    Keep repeating it, and it’ll look more like a bold faced lie than a knee jerk.

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  381. Sofia,

    Hint- Your belief is not universal.

    Exhibit A- Look at the responses to my comments. If whites were not affected by my comments, they would not have to respond.

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  382. lucifer

    i don’t know why anyone gets upset about group statements or generalizations at all–so you are asking the wrong person

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  383. Mu’Min Seeks Fat Wumin,

    I clicked on the post you linked to, and I was confused by this excerpt:

    There’s only one patch of skin on a white man’s body that remotely compares to nearly every inch of a black man’s skin.

    What patch of skin???

    Race politics in the U.S. is mainly focused between blacks, Latin-Americans, and whites. Given the dearth of Hispanics at Roissy’s, I can see why the black situation is so prevalently discussed here. I still do feel sorry for the black commenters, especially when the dialogue begins to assume a more personally offensive tone.

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  384. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    I would be happy to see your type hang itself, and by the looks of it you guys are doing a very good job.

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  385. on September 6, 2009 at 6:24 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Nicole wrote :

    MSFW, it’s not about the fat. It’s about what is beautiful in the eye of a person who was adapted for sub saharan Africa,

    Exactly!! And thank you!

    I maintain that the reason black men prefer black women to be large and with rough skin is because in Africa, the largest beasts (elephant, rhino, hippo, cape buffalo) had no natural predators and could survive adversity with the most elan. Black men saw this, and thus evolved to seek black women who resemble these great creatures in size, shape, color, and texture. It made sense in terms of survival and resource accumulation, and it was natural to admire the 4 beasts that were usually too powerful to be attacked by lions.

    Hence, this corroborates your point about what was beautiful for those adapted to be at the top of the African Bush.

    These preferences persist today. Obese-dian is merely acting on what comes naturally to him. The mistake he makes is failing to consider than non-African men did not have a megafauna ecosystem, and hence don’t value obesity the way he does.

    No disrespect towards you personally, though. I am talking about macro black proclivities.

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  386. nicole when you attribute people’s negative opinions about you or your group to some psychological defect on their part you are not copping to any culpability in the formation of the stereotype but pathologizing others based on their unpleasant opinion about you

    and it’s spelled “ho”

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  387. Lucifer,

    Aren’t you doing the exact same thing that you hate whites for so much?

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  388. nicole but never say don’t wear foundation makeup until you actually get some wrinkles that need covering.

    Foundation is used to give the skin an even tone and hide imperfections like dark circles and hyper pigmentation moreso than wrinkles. Foundation is in some ways bad for women with wrinkles because it can set into those fine lines high lighting instead of hiding.

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  389. Dana, what negative feelings are you talking about, and what defects?

    I don’t have a problem with people not liking me, and I don’t need every guy on the planet to think I’m hot. That doesn’t have anything to do with their being defective.

    What makes someone defective is their belief that they are entitled to abuse or exploit me when they aren’t. Their continued beating of their own head against a brick wall after the initial failure is indicative of a serious mental disorder.

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  390. Can someone please tell me what patch of skin! I’m burning with curiosity.

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  391. on September 6, 2009 at 6:38 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Sofia,

    Actually, the link I intended to place there was this one. Note the poll results.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/fat-or-not-fat-2/

    As far as the answer to your question, I am not sure. Remember that the woman who wrote that is a grandmother-aged woman who may not have slept with a decent white man in decades.

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  392. Oh, right. That poll. She could have been worse, but as an ideal or average standard for the kind of woman you want to be with, admittedly a bit out there. Maybe a last resort? A kind of dare along the lines of “would you have sex with a midget”?

    I guess I will eternally wonder what patch of skin black men and white men share… Maybe under the chin? Stubble? Beard burn? Palms? Feet?

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  393. on September 6, 2009 at 6:47 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    but as an ideal or average standard for the kind of woman you want to be with, admittedly a bit out there. Maybe a last resort? A kind of dare along the lines of “would you have sex with a midget”?

    No. Note that in the poll, very few of the white or Asian men, OR WOMEN (of all races combined), even wanted to rate her as being on the fringe ot tolerability.

    She is fat. She caters to a niche market – black men, particularly those who are ASS-trologers.

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  394. Sophia:

    I think this explains the similar skin in visual form. Just guessin…

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  395. 66% of black men.
    46% of white men.
    41% of Asian men.

    Excluding the Rohypnol category. Not MASSIVE disparities, but more black men considered this “just right” than any other category.

    I would still think that even black men prefer a “curvier” figure (not fat, think, Kim Kardashian here) . I don’t think there is a big gulf between what men ultimately like.

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  396. Aoefe,

    I’m even more confused now.

    Anyone who’s been with a black men and notices a difference in skin texture care to enlighten me?

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  397. on September 6, 2009 at 7:07 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    William:

    “There’s a splendid Youtube documentrary on Celine with which I’ve been trying to keep up.”

    You have the link to that? I’m interested in Celine for obvious reasons.

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  398. MSFW, it doesn’t have anything to do with resemblance to large savannah animals. Those Africans who live in those areas are generally very slim and like it that way. The Masai in particular, live on very few carbohydrates.

    What they would call optimally fat for childbearing (and what is fat for them) is the equivalent of an American size 4…and these are not tiny framed people. They’re also tall with big feet.

    Scoot over to Nigeria, and you see a preference for truly large women, but even most of those women considered ideal by their standards are neither extremely fat nor uniformly fat. They’re carrying in pockets.

    It isn’t until adopting a western diet or moving to the west that you see the supersized rolly polly blobs. If there was a natural preference for fat women that came from Africa, then a size 14 would be more than enough. We’re talking a woman who’s maybe 145-160 lbs. depending how she carries it.

    I think something else is going on. I suspect it’s higher testosterone, which is the hormonal equivalent of beer goggles. There’s also the bit of extra strength a person with relatively low activity will get from carrying more weight. Bigger women can often take more than smaller ones. Then there’s the issue of weight leverage. Not everybody likes origami sex…high testosterone men, regardless of color, least of all.

    When I was bigger, and still to some degree now, I would get hit on by large men married to tiny women. It was nice for awhile to have a woman every other guy wanted to shag because that’s what the television tells them to, but after awhile, they get tired of safe distance sex, or no sex at all because it’s an unpleasant experience for her.

    This is not to brag. In these cases, I’m still the second option…the lower status fallback after they’ve fulfilled their social imperative of marrying someone visibly superior, though not physically compatible.

    I have also been on the other side though. As I got healthier and started to lose weight, I was too much for my second ex to endure.

    So visible beauty is one thing, and physical compatibility is another. I can get that many very strong, high T men would prefer to get as much of both in the same person, rather than aiming for beauty regardless of compatibility.

    Yet another twist to this could be attitude. Many Black men will simply not tolerate a bad attitude in a woman. Fat White women often have a better attitude, and don’t give a Black guy as much hell as say, a slim American media-cute Black woman.

    So you may view these women as low quality, but for a guy who isn’t into pain or overly entitled women, they may be ideal. I’m curious as to who could do better than a woman who makes their dick hard and treats them well. What more do you figure a guy should want?

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  399. nicole wrote MSFW, it doesn’t have anything to do with resemblance to large savannah animals. Those Africans who live in those areas are generally very slim and like it that way. The Masai in particular, live on very few carbohydrates.

    This is true and he is writing that stuff for laughs Nicole. it’s also the reason many blk models are scouted from that part of Africa. IWest Africa, models are mostly scouted from Senegal, Burkina Faso, and Nigeria.

    Sofia wrote
    I would still think that even black men prefer a “curvier” figure (not fat, think, Kim Kardashian here) . I don’t think there is a big gulf between what men ultimately like.

    You are right and I’m closer to a Kim K’s build and have had no problems with men of any race street eyeballing and approaches count for anything.

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  400. on September 6, 2009 at 7:58 pm time to delurk

    amazing how the women and jews here can take a harsh word and deal with it honestly while the most vocal blacks immediately not only deny any truth in racism and impute all opinions they don’t like to character flaws on the part of the people making unpopular observations about them

    That’s not true. When commenter You Know I’m Right starts talking his anti-Jew talk a lot of people including whiskey and Seeking Alpha got pissed. And PA and Doug routinely gets offended by things they see as anti-white, for example when Lucifer comments. The rule for race here is basically “I’m cool with unpleasant truths…until they’re directed at my own race.” It just seems blacks are more sensitive because they receive the most criticism, so they’re seen responding the most. Now that Lucifer is trolling full-time we’re starting to see the balance shift.

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  401. maybe its just me then

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  402. on September 6, 2009 at 8:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    It don’t matter just don’t bite it.

    These words are truth all the rest is filler.

    he he he

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  403. on September 6, 2009 at 8:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    She what?

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  404. on September 6, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not sure how it happened but she swallowed some more.

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  405. on September 6, 2009 at 8:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    Swallowed what.

    Don’t know but she said shes not a stripper or a whore

    say what.

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  406. On tonights episode of Château R …

    The Chateau R is still racing financial difficulty so how will Roissy save his ancestral alpha abode???

    Stay tuned…

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  407. Roissy has decided that each occupant will pay his/her electric bill since the collective bill has been quite monstrous. It seems that we ladies have been running up the bill with constant recharging of our purple sangouruos(tp) and tood’s hologram woman.

    To raise money immediately, chic noir comes up with the idea of turning the ball room into a club fri-sun nights. Roissy agrees to the idea. Without informing Roissy, chic noir has an ad put in the local paper and makes facebook and myspace pages for the chateq.

    This is what the ad read:

    Partey @ Chatew R’s on Fri-Sun. 5 bucks get’ ya in’ and’ 20’ bucks gets’ ya drinkin all night. Don’t wear flipflops’ and/or kaki shorts. Do be over 21 & no kougars

    Roissy, PA, doug , and DA and a few others see the ad in the paper the next day and freak.

    PA, in a Polish accent so thick Roissy needs sub tittles to understand him : How could you let Chic write the sign Roissy??? Is this a form of Affirmative action??? In our country, you let her write the sign.

    Doug 1: If you had let her grandmother write the sign 30 years ago that would have been one thing, but now there is no need for affirmative action for chic.

    DA: Chic set blk people back 200 years with that sign. How could she have had that published. She affirmed to all her blk lq prole upbringing.

    *DA weeps silently*

    Nevertheless after a bit of transcribing, people figured out what the ad was for and come out to the party…

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  408. So it’s sun night and we are in night three on the parties. So far so good, actually things are going very good. We had to turn away a few people tonight because we didn’t have enough room to accommodate everyone.

    Of course all the regulars and “long time no comment” folk came out to give support.

    Xplat waved to roissy and headed str8 to two pretty Asian women in the corner.

    Johnny 5 let go of his woman’s throat for 2 minutes to shake Roissy hand and offer a warm pat on the back.

    Keith came and sat at the bar drinking diet caffeine free coke.

    *chic makes a special note to spend some time with Keith*

    Eurosaba sat at the bar hawking for the 4&5s in the room so he could make a play for two of them.

    As ususal, pa, maurice, whelmer, roissy, and sometimes doug stood in the corner looking down at the crowd in an alpha stance.

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  409. time to delurk,

    I find it peculiar that those who point out the flaws of others are so offended when I show them their own reflection.

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  410. T aka Ricky Raw with a hard right part his oh so neat afro came out in his finest seersucker suit along with a monocle to give himself that manly old school Alpha aura.

    Roosh comes in looking like a hipster wearing a my little pony t-shirt and a white bell bottom suit. He looks disinterested in the women here because he’s seen better in Columbia, Brazil and even mars.

    Peter spots a woman sitting at the bar who uncrosses her legs and gives him an unattended view of her GNP. Peter is on her like white on rice for the rest of the night.

    Dana and Nicole sat at the bar calling each other names half of the night.

    Nicole: Dana, at least I didn’t _uck off the bartender because he said his brother was in a band.

    Dana: Look I was bored and thirsty, his brother being in a band was just the icing on the cake.

    DA walks around handing out flyers talking to a few of the dejected looking beta and om___ ,hoping to get a few converts to his church.

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  411. lol tjf. love how you ignore all the links I just posted that again prove you wrong.

    Islam has made successful societies. All by its lonesome.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll.

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  412. Lurker walks in after an absence and as usual, gets in a fight. More often than not, he wins before anyone could blink twice at him.

    Perhaps he got bored of that old routine but now he’s returned.

    The regulars welcome him back…
    … somewhat apprehensively.

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  413. “Jerr, I wasn’t talking about big businessmen in general, just the ones at the head of the cosmetics, fashion, and entertainment industries. They make the money off of convincing women that they’re not good enough, and convincing men that the available women aren’t good enough.”

    Liberal, feminist B.S.

    These businesses don’t “convince” women of anything.

    The consumers of these product purchase them not because the ad said they should, but in an attempt to give themselves higher value in the mating game.

    And to say that these businesses convince MEN that the available women aren’t good enough? That’s nothing more than you wishing the game were easier instead of putting forth the effort to make yourself better.

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  414. [email protected] very good.

    He seems like a newer calmer lurker. I can dig this lurker.

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  415. I love lurker.

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  416. S, you can only have two. You have A.J travis and comment whatever in your stable. You can only have lurker if you release one.

    I’ll take comment whatever because I love his cheeks.

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  417. *lurker sits on the side thumping his newly alpha chest*

    lurker: whose the man

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  418. “The rule for race here is basically “I’m cool with unpleasant truths…until they’re directed at my own race.””

    Personally speaking, I have sufficient issues with my own “race” to be cool with whatever “unpleasant truths” are directed at it. The key term there is “truths”, though; demonization based on half-truths is something entirely different.

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  419. I never took on Comment_Whatever officially. I want A.J. Travis, but he put me on probation for being a bad girl.

    I want Lurker and Keith. Negotiations currently underway with A.J.T.

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  420. sofia I never took on Comment_Whatever officially. I want A.J. Travis, but he put me on probation for being a bad girl.

    *comment_whatever looks stunned*

    CW: woman what??? That not what you said last night!
    *storms off*

    sofia you will have to fight poetry for keith. Poetry is eager to deflower keith of his innocence.

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  421. Men’s admiration for larger women in Nigeria seemed, according to my observation in my fairly short time there, to depend on the tribe to which the men belonged.

    Yoruba men showed a decided preference for bulkier, larger women, so that even the slender young pretties, back in the 1970s at any rate, swathed themselves with heavy material that made them look much bigger than they actually were, once they reached their late teens; it seemed they wanted to look as matronly as possible. The Yoruba live in the coastal lowlands, wet and humid; their traditional diet is heavy on starchy cassava or plantain root and the dreaded fufu that is made from the stuff. Ibo women were of average size. Women of the northern tribes, which specialized in animal husbandry, were tall and slender.

    I’ve heard that a high percentage of African-Americans are descended from the Yoruba people. I don’t know whether it’s true or whether that information is now outdated.

    The west Africans most notorious for fattening up their women – putting them in fat houses and virtually force-feeding them until their wedding days – are the people of Mauretania. I don’t know if it’s related to some tribal standard of beauty but I don’t think so, as it seems to be common throughout the country, though the practise is supposed to be dying out.

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  422. Asked the asian gf what she thought of the pic. She felt the relationship was only having trouble at that moment, but that they might be a happy couple at other times, and that the guy was trying to make the girl feel happy again, because he did something to make her mad.

    But she did ask, “Why is he smiling?”

    I answered, “Because he’s a loser, baby.” She laughed.

    Lesson being, Asian girls are much less actuated by bio-mechanics.

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  423. time to delurk

    The rule for race here is basically “I’m cool with unpleasant truths…until they’re directed at my own race.” It just seems blacks are more sensitive because they receive the most criticism, so they’re seen responding the most.

    Most of the hate/criticism on this site is directed at three groups:

    1. Beta males, mainly White men who are betas.

    2. feminists or any women who promote the beta ideal for men.

    3. ugly or fat women.

    So beta males, feminists/beta promoters and fugly and tubby women should be complaining the most about roissy’s little hell hole.

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  424. Str8up says, “Liberal, feminist B.S.

    These businesses don’t “convince” women of anything.”

    Well then that means they’re wasting millions on advertising. Apparently, these people are convinced that they are convincing the public to spend their money on certain types of dress and cosmetics.

    Don’t be ridiculous.

    “The consumers of these product purchase them not because the ad said they should, but in an attempt to give themselves higher value in the mating game.”

    If the ads didn’t convince them that the products would give them a higher value, people wouldn’t buy them.

    “And to say that these businesses convince MEN that the available women aren’t good enough? That’s nothing more than you wishing the game were easier instead of putting forth the effort to make yourself better.”

    Dude, I’m almost 40, and couldn’t personally care if I never saw another dick in my life. I’m not frigid, just very self contained, and would rather masturbate than humiliate myself under a guy who thinks I’m hideous or otherwise substandard.

    I am already better than most women around me in my age group in many, many ways. So this isn’t about me personally. It’s about why you don’t think the White girl in your neighborhood who is fairly slim, but doesn’t look like a model is good enough until you’re ready to settle.

    Then after years of chasing “hot” chicks who treat you like a sperm donor and credit card on an incubator, you expect to bring your used up HPV infected cock and baby mama drama to the forgiving plain girl.

    …and don’t worry, I understand that women also slut around for similar reasons: being stupid, out of touch, media programmed sheeple.

    I’d like both White men and White women to wake up to the reality that they do age, and nobody has unlimited time on this earth, before they’re too old to enjoy the fruits of wisdom. Then maybe they’d direct less bitterness at people like me.

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  425. You need to check out the show tool academy 2 on VH1 (I should also recommend this to db1 over at hotchickswithdouchebags (speaking of which what are your thoughts on that site?) (nested parens FTW)). the tools apply many of your tactics I believe without forethought. You might be tempted to call them “naturals” if they weren’t so pathetic.

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  426. Willard says that among others, “fugly and tubby women should be complaining the most about roissy’s little hell hole.”

    …and yet…

    Roissy and I don’t agree on everything, but he at least has some hold on reality. Where it gets out of hand is in some of the commenters who need to try to enforce some kind of White right that doesn’t exist.

    If White people are generally the smartest and prettiest people on earth, it doesn’t mean that you as an individual are smart or pretty, or that anyone of any race is obligated to think so just because you are White.

    This is the internet. The one with the strongest reality wins.

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  427. @nicole – “The one with the strongest reality wins.”

    Nicole I’m sure I’m missing something but doesn’t everyone think they have the strongest reality? And what is reality anyways?

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  428. Aoefe, as females, we tend to like gray areas, but an easy way to test the reality of one’s perception is to see if it is working. For instance, I can believe as much as I want, that I’ll never age, but it will happen whether I believe it is happening or not.

    Nature doesn’t care what we think. So the most realistic is the one who is willing to test all thoughts relayed to them by others, as well as their own, against nature.

    Some things will remain mysteries, and those can be mused upon. Some things however, just are.

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  429. @nicole – “I’m not frigid, just very self contained, and would rather masturbate than humiliate myself under a guy who thinks I’m hideous or otherwise substandard.”

    When you fantasize are you your age or are you younger and slimmer? This is not to insult. I ask because I think women fantasize about themselves as more attractive /younger* than they are. So it makes sense men who are actually performing the act would want that in actuality. Doesn’t it?

    *if you’re 20 this doesn’t apply

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  430. @nicole – “but an easy way to test the reality of one’s perception is to see if it is working”

    I see some falsehoods in this statement. People can ensure their reality works in spite of evidence to the contrary. You think that mentally ill people who think they are God suddenly stop believing they are because no one around them thinks they are? No. They’ll rationalize the wildest stories, often paranoid ones to ensure their own world view doesn’t shatter. As to aging – my goodness – I’ve seen many older women oblivious to the fact of time. They’re wearing their hair the way it was when they graduated thirty years ago, wearing the same pants even if their guts are squished over the top, listening to the same music. Their reality still works for them.

    I agree it’s important to test one’s reality, self awareness is key and doing it by listening openly to others is fantastic. But we still weigh everything and either accept or reject based on our perception of our own reality. It’s courageous to try on another perspective, but in effect it’s just another reality. Like it or not there are many forms of it.

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  431. Aoefe, my fantasies are…abnormal. So as not to give too much information, suffice to say no I do not fantasize about being younger or slimmer while masturbating.

    A tidbit though, I sometimes fantasize about living in a post apocalyptic world wherein I would no longer have to worry about going to jail for giving some due payback.

    The enforcer look is actually what I’m currently aiming for. I’ll get there within a year or two, and as I edge closer, those visualizations become more the me that I am in my mind. It’s an attainable and plausible future me though.

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  432. Aoefe, there is only one reality. Different people just have different perspectives of it. The ones who are closest to the truth ultimately win against those who cling to a lie.

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  433. @nicole – “The ones who are closest to the truth ultimately win against those who cling to a lie.”

    I think that’s what you tell yourself. Frankly I don’t believe there are winners or losers in the reality game. People choose their own version and some are bent towards contentment and others are not. You strike me as a person who is pretty content with your version – and that’s cool. It doesn’t make it right.

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  434. @Nicole – “I sometimes fantasize about living in a post apocalyptic world wherein I would no longer have to worry about going to jail for giving some due payback.”

    Ummmm sounds….sexy. (not)

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  435. I’m white and I fucking loooooooove Asian girls. I don’t care if that makes some random punter think of me as beta.

    The girl in this picture is a dog. But there’s nothing else on God’s green earth like a truly fine Asian woman. Let the herbs have the dregs. I’m perfectly happy with the 8’s, 9’s and 10’s of Asia.

    Mmmmm, delicious.

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  436. When I masturbate I fantasize about Jeff Goldblum, chest hair, and a whole lot of maple syrup.

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  437. @sofia – “…chest hair, and a whole lot of maple syrup.”

    I like my syrup with pancakes NOT chest hair.

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  438. on September 7, 2009 at 2:15 am Cannon's Canon

    what the fuck is an asian 10 though? i KNEW they’d find a use for affirmative action bonus points! it’s basic supply-side theory.

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  439. on September 7, 2009 at 2:19 am Cannon's Canon

    you two are my favorite broads over here, by the way… and that’s not just the alcohol talking, although this is what i usually claim of late

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  440. When women talk about dreaming of a celebrity they wanna ‘do’ I don’t get it. I never picture faces. Course I am almost always captive, kidnapped or sold so maybe they don’t WANT me to see them. Just sayin…

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  441. Cannon? Which two broads? (please pick me, please pick me!)

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  442. I don’t actually envision Jeff Goldblum, but perhaps that would make seducing myself much easier. Faceless men, unless I have someone in my life, then there’s definitely a face. I’ve never fantasized about someone else when I’m in a relationship. I don’t know if this is odd or not.

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  443. aoefe

    I like my syrup with pancakes NOT chest hair.

    Canadian freak.

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  444. @willard – “Canadian freak.”

    Twas the maple syrup you thought made me freaky NOT the captive, kidnapped or sold? Cool!

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  445. Aoefe says about the one truth, many perspectives, “I think that’s what you tell yourself. Frankly I don’t believe there are winners or losers in the reality game. People choose their own version and some are bent towards contentment and others are not. You strike me as a person who is pretty content with your version – and that’s cool. It doesn’t make it right.”

    Well, I’m willing to bank on reality whether it suits my desires or my current perception or not. This enables me to learn. Maybe others can, but I cannot both believe in relative reality and learn. There would be no point. There would be nothing to know.

    …about my post apocalyptic fantasies, Aoefe says, “Ummmm sounds….sexy. (not)”

    Well, you asked. In case you didn’t notice, I’m weird. I have never been sexy in the way of being helpless…not since I was 14.

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  446. on September 7, 2009 at 2:45 am Archangel Michael

    O Lucifer, subcons are shitting in the streets. Pissing on train tops. The subcontinent is an open air shit house. India shining. India shiteing.

    Stop smokin the bhaji and homo-dancing to bollywood.

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  447. Nicole:

    Your reality consists of things you percieve and the meanings you have attached to it. Some of this includes physical objects, people and situations that you share to some degree with others. Each person will have somewhat different perceptions of what is there and will attach very different meanings to what they percieve to be there. Additionally each person develops items of an even more subjective nature that exists in their reality. This includes thoughts, feelings, memories, desires, dreams etc. These all exist and can be percieved by you as part of your world. They might or might not be available to other people.

    You may or may not have an inadequate familiarity with your reality, you might be assigning meanings to it that don’t serve you well. You might have split yourself or other parts of your reality into fragments, you might be carrying around unpleasant past or future events as part of your reality. The cure? Change your reality.

    Fact is there is not an outside objective world that we can deem more correct than anybody’s personal reality. The authority of your world is always you. What exists for you is what your reality is.

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  448. Nicole:

    In fact I may have stuck a knife in some of your reality this evening. I think you may have had me relegated to dumb, foolish, young air head chick and perhaps your reality has had to shift slightly. Just sayin…

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  449. on September 7, 2009 at 3:07 am Cannon's Canon

    i submitted a link to a porn vid earlier this afternoon, and now my (delayed) comments lack that “perceived” improv element,,,

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  450. Archangel Michael,

    Hmmm… so how is that different from you guys?

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  451. Aoefe, if you’re trying to show off your greater femininity with new age flakiness, you win.

    Spirituality and metaphysics is something I actually studied though, and I know the difference between there being different perspectives of reality and different realities. If you don’t want to see that then I can’t force you.

    However, I encourage you to learn some real metaphysics, and then we can have an educated discussion on the various types of ideas versus physical reality, and the differences between Kant and Nietzsche on the subject.

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  452. aoefe

    Your reality consists of things you percieve and the meanings you have attached to it. Some of this includes physical objects, people and situations that you share to some degree with others. ….

    Fact is there is not an outside objective world that we can deem more correct than anybody’s personal reality. The authority of your world is always you. What exists for you is what your reality is.

    aoefe = Immanuel Cunt

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  453. @nicole – “if you’re trying to show off your greater femininity with new age flakiness, you win.”

    My argument had NOTHING to do with my femininity. BUT -I think my femininity threatens you for whatever reason. My argument had WAY more to do with psychology than new-age BS truth be told. Oh and I can spell Kant and Nietzsche too.

    Oh and one last thing before I head to bed – I don’t need to win.

    Nite! 🙂

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  454. aoefe

    Oh and one last thing before I head to bed – I don’t need to win.

    Spoken like a true Canadian. Second place is good enough.

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  455. Fuck yes, philosophy. Get me off, bitches.

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  456. on September 7, 2009 at 5:07 am Cannon's Canon

    fun this weekend, but it doesn’t seem like it would stack up against “in and out of love” as the reprieve… asot 2009 has gotta be dropping soon though

    yep, referring to this

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  457. Aoefe, you didn’t have an argument. You’re a relativist.

    Male relativists don’t recruit. They just take it all in and accept whatever they hear/read as the other person’s reality. Female relativists have some kind of weird interest in getting others to believe in their truth all the while saying basically that there is no truth.

    What you view as masculine in me is simply being of a different school of thought: leaning more towards nietzschean. There is a truth. It’s just that it changes because the physical world changes. Some basic natural laws work about the same forever, but biologically, we are adapting or we are dead.

    So reality, though not fixed, is absolute at a given point in time. Our perception of it does not change what it is. We may be totally unable to perceive it, but our failure to see the reality is not reality’s failure to be real.

    I’m not threatened by your femininity. I just don’t relate to your brand of it…helpless, flaccid, amoeba like…

    It’s…not my femininity. I have not reduced my goddesses to mere faeries. I believe that doing so is the first step to raising sons to be faeries. Better one androgynous God who can both reward and punish than a wish granting gimmie goddess named Imokyoureok. One, though invariably reduced in the mind somewhat by attempting to think on its nature, is more in line with what we can observe as nature.

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  458. While it is a ‘vanilla’ scene, it is one of the strangest porn scenes I have ever witnessed. The herb even slaps one of the girls across the face a few times.

    I think it is acceptable to cry afterward if you jerk it to this video.

    Dude, I cried WHILE I jerked it.

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  459. lurker

    lol tjf. love how you ignore all the links I just posted that again prove you wrong.

    Islam has made successful societies. All by its lonesome.

    I ignored them because the debate was resolved ages ago in my favor. You lost. Time to move on.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll.

    No, you’re a troll. As has been conclusively proven many times. The claim that I am a troll has never been proven by anyone, and is not based on anything.

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  460. “dana

    amazing how the women and jews here can take a harsh word and deal with it honestly while the most vocal blacks immediately not only deny any truth in racism and impute all opinions they don’t like to character flaws on the part of the people making unpopular observations about them”

    Indeed. I wonder if the author of this statement wouldn’t mind a bit of honest truthtelling from say, Dr. Kevin MacDonald?

    And in any event, isn’t interesting that the author of this statement, Ms. Dana, has yet to respond to my question put directly to her the other day?

    I’ll repeat:

    Dana, what have you contributed in this forum, that speaks directly to Game?

    I await her straight, no-bullshit answer.

    The Obsidian

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  461. I knew it wouldn’t be long before Apeman would come along dragging his knuckles into the debate. Let’s see what he has to say:

    APEMAN: Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obese-dian wrote :

    “So, it makes sense why these guys would racially scapegoat, especially given the well known and fairly agreed upon fact, that on average, Black guys get more action than do White.”

    A: The well-known and fairly agreed-upon fact is that black men will go out of their way to pursue fatties that no other race of men will touch. Willard, Cannon’s Canon, PA, gig, dana, Esquire, Doug1, Tupac, and even David Alexander will agree. Roissy even had polls that prove this.

    O: Even if scientifically confirmed, what does this have to do with the fact that in this forum, the loudest racial baiters tend to be the ones w/the weakest Game?

    And, according to outfits like the CDC, Black Males do indeed have more sex than White ones. Even Audacious Epigone has blogged about this.

    A: You still don’t comprehend the notion of quantity vs. quality. You fuck three fatties, while I fuck one hottie. Yet you interpret that as you ‘getting laid more’, even though a simple poll would show that virtually all non-black men would rather be in by shoes.

    O: Of course, the assumptions here are that you are indeed “fucking one hottie”. To date, based on your writings, we have no way to ascertain this.

    A: In other words, the average white man would NOT want to have the sex life of the average black man. Absolutely NOT.

    O: OK, I suppose. What does this have to do with the fact that the racial baters in this forum can’t get laid?

    A: And before you trot out the ‘Wal-Mart’ example, I actually saw the fattest black woman ever at Wal-Mart the other day. When she moved through the aisle of cleaning detergents, she disturbed both sides of the aisle. Imagine knocking over produces on BOTH sides of the aisle! Wal-Marts in black areas will have to increase aisle width, therefore reducing the number of aisles and hence store inventory. Store revenue will drop, and Wal-Mart will have to exit from black areas, on account of black female obesity ruining the business model. Dark matter is a cosmic force too powerful for even Wal-Mart to contain.

    O: Hmm, that’s odd. I can recall off the top of my head at least three distinct Walmart locations in Black areas. Also, I don’t recall seeing any Black Women of the dimensions you report. I do however, distinctly remember seeing rather large White Women w/their hubbies and kids in tow at Walmarts up and down the Eastern seaboard.

    In any event, what does this have to do w/my central point-that often, the racial talk in this forum is a cover for the fact that the same guys can’t discuss anything Game-related, because they have none? Please explain?

    A: Her skin texture was elephantine as well, so you should have been there to run ‘mahout Game’ on her, introducing yourself as “Obese-dian the Ass-trologer”.

    O: Ad Hom 101.

    A: White men who are stuck with fat white women are not by choice, they are trapped. Whereas black men actively seek out fat women (and you are an outlier even with that proclivity).

    O: Non-sequitur.

    A: Quantity vs. quality. Get it?

    O: Yes. But that was never my point, it was yours. Nice try, though.

    A: Now, regarding racism, virtually every group gets smeared here. The most overtly racist/genocidal person here is Loserfer, who openly hopes for white extermination, and was the only person here to say the women Sodini killed deserved it, and Sodini did a good thing.

    O: I don’t recall reading said comments by Lucifer, but I’ll take you word for it. Even if true though, Ruby’s point remains, that there is an inordinate amount of racial talk for a forum devoted to Game.

    A: So the most extreme person here is anti-white.

    O: Perhaps, but again by the observations of people like Ruby (and here we can include Sofia, etc, et al), we still would have to say that the degree of sheer anti-Black talk in this forum at the very least raises eyebrows.

    Now-can you point us to any Game-specific writings of yours in this forum Apeman? Or do you come swinging out of your cage only when its time to racebait?

    Hmm?

    The Obsidian

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  462. lmao tjf. sticking your head in the sand doesn’t make the fact that you are wrong go away.

    “I ignored them because the debate was resolved ages ago in my favor. You lost. Time to move on.”
    —-lol. be a big boy and click on the links I posted.

    tjf, you are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam had many successful societies.

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  463. @The Obsidian

    “we still would have to say that the degree of sheer anti-Black talk in this forum at the very least raises eyebrows. ”

    Wow – that’s putting it very mildly. Some pretty racist crap being flung here – most of it against black people.

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  464. Mjaybee,
    Yes, I would agree. It starts out as a “scientific inquiry” but quickly devolves into something else, something much more shrill, harsh and downright meanspirited. And for what? I mean, let’s say that they’re 100% right. How dos that help any guy’s love life here? I mean really.

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for Dana or Apeman’s answers to my pointed questions.

    O

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  465. Mjaybee,
    Yes, I would agree. It starts out as a “scientific inquiry” but quickly devolves into something else, something much more shrill, harsh and downright meanspirited. And for what? I mean, let’s say that they’re 100% right. How does that help any guy’s love life here? I mean really.

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for Dana or Apeman’s answers to my pointed questions.

    O

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  466. on September 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obese-dian,

    I have answered your ‘pointed’ questions many times in the past. You just didn’t like the answers, nor did you have the courage to answer my questions (which is why I changed my handle – it will remain such until you man up and answer the questions).

    1) For all your claims about having ‘Game’, fucking fatties that other men will not touch is not a victory, nor is it prestigious. Your specialty of ‘elephant Game’ will not attract followers.

    2) As I have repeated to you umpteen times, you win on quantity (five fatties) while I win on quality (one hottie). You are trying to reshape the world into on where a fattie and a hottie are the same thing, which will not happen. As a participant in the ‘fat acceptance’ movement, you are doing a lot of the feminist’s dirty-work for them.

    3) You don’t talk much about Game here, other than to race-bait whites with the ludicrous claim that fucking fatties has social prestige. The average white man will NOT want to trade his sex life with that of the average black man. Will NOT. Therefore, the black man is not in a position any other race of man wants to be in, even in terms of sex life.

    For all your claims of ‘anti-black talk’, it is rarely DA or Nicole who is the subject of this. You proactively bait in an attempt to mainstream your fat fetish, and everyone else(Willard, lurker, Cannon’s Canon, Doug1, dana, gig, PA, Esquire, whiskey, Tupac) descends to put you in your place. That is the routine.

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  467. @Mu’Min

    Sad to see a true believer embrace racism.

    We are all brothers.

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  468. Apeman,
    Replies as follows:

    A: I have answered your ‘pointed’ questions many times in the past. You just didn’t like the answers, nor did you have the courage to answer my questions (which is why I changed my handle – it will remain such until you man up and answer the questions).

    O: No, you have not. What you have done is engaged in all manner of silly ad homs and logical fallacies, changing goalposts and the like. Not good.

    A: 1) For all your claims about having ‘Game’, fucking fatties that other men will not touch is not a victory, nor is it prestigious. Your specialty of ‘elephant Game’ will not attract followers.

    O: I never claimed to *want* “followers”, and as for one’s personal preference in a mate it is irrelevant to the question I’ve put to you, which is repeated below at the end of this post.

    A: 2) As I have repeated to you umpteen times, you win on quantity (five fatties) while I win on quality (one hottie). You are trying to reshape the world into on where a fattie and a hottie are the same thing, which will not happen. As a participant in the ‘fat acceptance’ movement, you are doing a lot of the feminist’s dirty-work for them.

    O: I do not recall ever saying one thing or another for the at acceptance movement, you are putting words into my mouth and as such are engaging in logical fallacies of the worst type. Nor have I said much about feminists, for or against. My main comments have either been Game-related or as a refutation of racialist tripe when they’ve reared their ugly head. Which happens all too often in this venue, sad to say.

    A: 3) You don’t talk much about Game here, other than to race-bait whites with the ludicrous claim that fucking fatties has social prestige. The average white man will NOT want to trade his sex life with that of the average black man. Will NOT. Therefore, the black man is not in a position any other race of man wants to be in, even in terms of sex life.

    O: I have never made such claims, Apeman, YOU have. Strawman 101, although you did give it the ole college try. And uh, you’re wrong-Ferdinand Bardamu, Doug1, Epoxytocin87 and others, have said that I contribute regularly to this forum specifically on Game-in fact, I wrote an extensive point for point refutation of a recent “anti-Game” college paper op/ed piece. We cannot recall seeing anything from you in this regard.

    A: For all your claims of ‘anti-black talk’, it is rarely DA or Nicole who is the subject of this. You proactively bait in an attempt to mainstream your fat fetish, and everyone else(Willard, lurker, Cannon’s Canon, Doug1, dana, gig, PA, Esquire, whiskey, Tupac) descends to put you in your place. That is the routine.

    O: If that’s the case, why is it that Canon and I have had very cordial post exchanges in this very forum? Why is it that Doug1 has openly acknowledged my contributions wrt Game in this forum? Why is it that Dana cannot answer me directly as to her contributions on Game in this venue? Many of the people you’ve cited, such as Dana, Willard etc ONLY comment when they have some sort of anti-Black invective to hurl. I have never said anything close to the degree of meanspirited things they’ve said to me about Black folk.

    It has been repeatedly observed that this venue is a repository or blatantly anti-Black sentiment, dressed up in pseudo-scientific drag, like your ridiculous comments about Africans. People who in all likelihood don’t even know each other have noted this-one commenter recently ticked off the number of actual members of this forum who used to make real contributions to the insofar as Game is concerned who are no longer here, in large part due directly to the racist sentiments heard here. In short, THAT is what threatens the growth of this venue along meaningul lines.

    Now, again: what specific posts can you point us to in this forum where you specifically discuss Game? Who have you assisted with this? Has it been anyone here? If so, who?

    Thanks for your answers.

    O

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  469. @Uncle Mu- you can hurt GNP by not giving him any attention, he is a troll and attention whore. Abet a more volatile one than DA but an attention ho all the same. Use the frezze aka “pussy cat” game on him. When you see his “name” just skip over his comments.

    See below for pussy game, works like a charm on all attention hoes.

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  470. The racism here is irrelevant in itself.

    Bitter people gather in forums to rant in extremes all around the internet.

    What seems relevant is the effect that the racism may have on the blog’s image and patronage.

    Ultimately though, any argument against racism here cannot be based on either a moral or relative basis… A large part of our participation here is proudly engaging in what is seen as sexist by greater society.

    Likewise, such an argument can neither be based on logic… Much of the racism here is based solidly in cognitive dissonance and willing irrationality. The sheer depth of dedication to such statements and amount of people who even half-jokingly reinforce them make any attempt to oppose them instantly powerless.

    No, it is useless to oppose racism here. Due to the shift in commenter demographic, it has become, and will continue to be, solidly placed into every thread.

    In recognition of this, I’d suggest that those who care about such things abandon their attempts to ‘convert’ this forum.

    It is a lost cause.

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  471. I really don’t think there is that much “racism” on these threads. Not by regular commenters. Instead, there is goofing around on people’s race or attempts at serious HBD discussions.

    Anyway, I don’t know what “racism” is anyway. Is it Lucifer’s wishful thinking about a worlwide genocide of whites? All I see is people goofing on each other or talking HBD. Don’t be such a delicate mimosa.

    Some people react to frank talk on race aghast because it is such a cloistered topic in public. Also, some non-whites are not used to be criticised or in any way spoken to frankly by whites, because of political correctness. But whites get this shit everyday. See any Taco Bell commercial.

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  472. on September 7, 2009 at 9:16 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    The Queen of Anal Sex (QAS) wrote :

    you can hurt GNP by not giving him any attention, he is a troll and attention whore

    Look WHAT’s talking. Not who, WHAT.

    You are the biggest attention whore here, contributing nothing of value. Plus, you are one of the most racist people here (significantly worse than Obsidian, I might add).

    So get a clue.

    Obese-dian wrote :

    It has been repeatedly observed that this venue is a repository or blatantly anti-Black sentiment,

    Nope. You are always the first one to bait (just as you did on this thread). That you get ganged up 8 to 1, with the extremely unpopular cause of legitimizing a fat fetish, is unsurprising.

    Try staying away from here for 1 week, and you will see a marked drop in anti-black comments here. You may not admit it, but you know it is true.

    If this forum did not exist, you would have to invent it.

    Now, again: what specific posts can you point us to in this forum where you specifically discuss Game?

    Quite a few. Do a search. In fact, there were even comments today.

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  473. PA,
    Exactly what is “frank” race talk? Please explain? As I understand it, such a term is trotted out on folks like myself, who supposedly can’t handle “the truth” about Black folk, when I’ve been talking about a real as it gets drama like The Wire for weeks, and the FACT that ALL IT PORTRAYS are Black folk killing Black folk-and Black viewers LOVE IT. So, so much for Black supposedly not being able to handle “honest race talk”.

    What the real problem here is that those who bang the drum the loudest for HBD, can’t handle it when the spotlight is put back on them. For example, both Apeman and Doug1 have complained that I’ve engaged in “Black male sexual supremacy talk” because I simply said, that on average Black Men have more Natural Game than do Men of other races, in this case, White. Well, unlike a lot of the ridiculous comments made along these lines, what I said is true, and virtually everyone knows it-even a HBD “quant” blogger like Audacious Epigone, hardly a friend of Black folk, acknowledges this fact. So has Roissy, on several occasions. So, what’s the problem? The problem is that “HBD” is really a pseudo-scientific, cutsety way to whip up on Black folk, that’s what. Its loudest cheerleaders don’t have the balls enough to just come out and admit their Crackerism, so they hide behind stuff like this, and blatantly refuse to deal with ANY other aspects of HBDism, such as why high IQ guys can’t get laid. The same lack of balls explains why so many guys come here, and the LAST thing they discuss is actual Game and their experiences with Women, because THEY CAN’T.

    Take Apeman for example. He claims to bang “quality girls” but he never talks about it unless prompted. To date, no one here can point to a single thing he’s written specifically on the topic of Game that has helped anyone. None. Meanwhile, this guy’s seriously gonna try to come at my neck? Come on.

    Ruby’s right-the socalled HBDers have basically taken over the forum, running off most of the qualitative commenters here. Those who can actually help guys get laid and more. And that’s what’s really sad.

    The Obsidian

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  474. Obsidian, I may in fact have overstated the presence of HBD here. By HBD, I mean stats/numbers by race that you see at a quasi-professional site like GNXP and in a very watered-down form at Half Sigma. There isn’t really all that much of it here. Frankly, I’m glad because I’m not a “quant” type myself and this sort of thing woudl bore me and probably many others.

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  475. Also, some non-whites are not used to be criticised or in any way spoken to frankly by whites, because of political correctness.

    Do we criticize mentally challenged people?

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  476. Sure! a tard will get a swift yelling-at if he drools on the carper or starts masturbating in front of the guests.

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  477. ^^^ I know who you’re talking about 🙂

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  478. Apeman,
    Strangely enough, I did just what you suggested-over the past week or two, I haven’t commented much at all here, due in the main to spending a bit of time over at In Mala Fide, Ferdinand Bardamu’s blog. Run a search and see for yourself.

    In that space of time, Ruby, a commenter who’s relatively new here, has made his own independent assessment of the forum, again, in my absence, and come to the conclusion that it indeed is a place of racist sentiment, has gone to such folk, and has noted the departure, or at the least the reduction of participation on the part of commenters who at one time were quite engaged. He suggests the reason for this is directly due to people like YOU.

    As for your contributions on Game, I’ll believe it when I see it. Please post the links.

    The Obsidian

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  479. Chic, no, I wasn’t talking about Tupac and Clio’s love child Ruprecht.

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  480. PA, Apeman,
    The following are Ferdinand Bardamu’s comments, taken from his blog In Mala Fide, Sep 3 2009, from his Race & NY Politics thread. My comments to him, to which he is responding, are in quotation marks. They speak directly to the question of HBD.

    “As for your stating that you consider yourself to be a HBD blogger, I have to ask, what are your views in this regard? Do they comport with or diverge from, say, OneSTDV, who is close to you in age and is a White Male like you?”

    OneSTDV is close to me in age? News to me.

    Anyway, I view HBD as a sensible, factual, and scientific way of explaining many of the differences between races and peoples. My views are aligned somewhat with OneSTDV’s, but I diverge from Steveospheric conventional wisdom on a couple of points.

    My biggest disagreement with them is on the importance of IQ. All of the relevant tests show that blacks have a lower mean IQ then whites (who in turn have a lower mean IQ then East Asians). To which I ask the question – is IQ as important as the quantbloggers make it out to be? No. If it was, the Steve Sailers and Razib Khans of the world would be running the show instead of writing blogs. If IQ was so important, it would be China or Japan, not the U.S. or any European nation, that would be the dominant civilization. If a high IQ is so desirable, why can’t many nerds get laid? A high IQ is necessary for many things, such as scientific and mathematical aptitude, but it’s not the end-all be-all of human existence.

    Additionally, I also dispute the extent of genes in forming a person’s personality and character. Genes have a not-negligible role in how we think and act, but they aren’t the sole determinant. People are, in my opinion, not blank slates as the leftists claim, but nor are we perfect puppets of our genetic material – we’re between those two extremes.

    Take game, for instance. Under strict HBD biological determinism, game would be an impossibility – and yet, we have documented evidence that it works and can work for any man. He won’t necessarily become the King of All Players, but he can improve his prospects. Conversely, we can’t all become big-shot movers or shakers, but we can still succeed in our personal lives provided we take the necessary steps to do so.

    “I myself have a very mixed bag of feelings wrt HBD, because I feel most of it is wielded by its loudest cheerleaders as a sort of “safe, respectable way” to keep dem Darkies in their place.”

    HBD folks argue that the reason that blacks in the U.S. are behind every other racial group is solely because of genetics. However, as you’ve stated, Af-Ams are more successful than any other African-descended people on earth. Furthermore, if black crime and economic underperformance is solely the product of IQ, as the HBD crowd claims, why are these things worse now then they were fifty years ago? Answer – blacks have been hit by a series of calamities (welfare, outsourcing of manufacturing jobs, the devastation of the blue-collar trades, the War on Drugs, etc.) that have caused these things. And, as you indirectly remarked in your Wire commentary a couple weeks back, and I elaborated on, working-class whites are suffering from the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS that blacks are. HBD explains many things, but it doesn’t explain everything – there are other factors that need to be taken into account. HBD is not a substitute for a complete worldview, any more than a bottle of steak sauce is a substitute for an actual steak.

    Finally, HBD bloggers make a big deal about black shortcomings (like the IQ thing), but they generally don’t talk about the things that blacks do better than whites. A mainstream example is the medically documented fact that blacks are genetically resistant to malaria (the side effect of which is increased susceptability to sickle cell anemia). Another example – I’ve observed that black guys are naturally better with women then white guys, and I believe that this is part genetic. You won’t hear an HBD blogger say these things, for whatever reason. If they would stop talking about black shortcomings so much and bring up stuff like this, I imagine guys like yourself wouldn’t be so apprehensive about HBD.

    “And to add insult to injury, my very presence puts to bed the lie many things he advocates.”

    And that’s why I don’t believe HBD has all the answers – it doesn’t offer enough wiggle room for free will.

    I thank you for your comments, Obsidian, and I also appreciate that you read and comment on my blog. You’re one of the Roissy regulars that I respect the most, because of your unique, positive approach to game and your ability to reason with and help people. Get that blog up – it can do nothing but good.

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  481. Don’t be such a delicate mimosa.

    Coming from you that’s ironic. You are hands down the most sensitive and easily offended about race in this whole forum.

    I mean, from what I see from you I understand it. I think you immerse yourself in these blogs so much that you get so used to having your ass kissed and not used to be criticised in any way that you fly off the handle and start bawling the moment you think you’re being racially insulted (which given your oversensitivity doesn’t take much). Yes whites get this shit everyday, but not a white guy like you who has created a blog bubble for himself of political incorrectness that gives him a safe haven of political incorrectness that shields him from criticism.

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  482. @apeman- your assertion that obs doesn’t write much about game is idiotic. he often does it through the prism of race, which is almost always of value to most regular commenters. also, fucking fat women appears to be your obsession, not his. you’re a crude race-baiter who would be best advised to stop wasting your obvious intelligence on ritual attacks on obs.

    @obs- nice exchange with ferdinand. re dana, i think you’re being a little unfair – you two are like oil and water. she race-baits some, given, but she does talk a fair amount, intelligently if harshly, about female psychology and behaviors and backs it up with examples from her own life. she’s harsh and can be abrasive in the way she writes, deliberately so, but she’s not a troll, and she’s usually on point.

    apeman is hte main commenter you’d be best off ignoring. he baits you just to get a response, so when you give, it, you’re giving him what he wants and clogging the board with a useless back-and-forth. if he writes something outrageously offensive (often), just flame him briefly and move on, would be my advice. the point-by-point stuff just takes it down the wrong road.

    on the question of whether the board is racist… well, it’s proudly politically incorrect, so some of that comes with the territory. i think HBD is a much more dubious pseudoscience than evo-psych, which i think will evolve (heh) into a real respected discipline sooner rather than later. HBD seems intended to place a veneer of respectability on some pretty conventional stereotypes. at least it comes across that way on the parts of the blogosphere i’ve seen it in. accordingly, my view is that this board, and community, are *much* stronger and better on evo-psych, game and anti-feminist-anti-misandrist themes, and gets bogged down in crap pretty quickly on the subject of race.

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  483. on September 7, 2009 at 11:44 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    maurice wrote :

    apeman is hte main commenter you’d be best off ignoring. he baits you just to get a response, so

    Wrong. Try again. Obese-dian baited first (as he always does). All you have to do is check the chronology of the thread – my first post was after his.

    Facts are inconvenient, eh?

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  484. Apeman,
    No, you’re wrong. I said nothing of the sort, and in fact I spoke directly to the topic of the thread; you sir, have not.

    YOU have been the one to race bait here, particularly along (Black) female lines, even when the facts about Africa were laidout to you. Africa is a very diverse place, and it is scientifically proven that people of African background contain within them more genetic variation than any other race of people, hence the wide array of appearances among African people.

    Yet you still continue on with this ridiculous malarkey about African Women. Especially when no one but you seems interested in who I or any other Black Man chooses to have sex with.

    Again, I have written copiously in this forum on Game. You sir, have not.

    I rest my case.

    O

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  485. on September 8, 2009 at 6:14 am Cannon's Canon

    Obsidian,
    YOU baited this thread with your usual assertion that black men “have more game” than white men. your contractor points fun at your assessment by describing those terms relatively. personally, i savor the weighted tomes from such a dedicated comedian. (i am actually more excited to find a comment from “Mu’Min seeks FAAAAT WuMin” than roissy himself at this point…)

    barack obama deigns respect for such self-serving, offensive comedians as the invited-wanda sykes to perform for his audience, and he laughed as she proposed rush limbaugh was the absent suicide bomber within the 9/11 attack network, then mocked his “painkiller addiction.”

    could a white comedian mock marion barry’s “painkiller” addiction, free of charge? if 41 had laughed at that joke…

    “Obsidian” is like a democratic senator in massachusetts. He plays himself out on a few topics, but his white apologist constituency will continue to vote for him during every election. Obsidian has given suave advice to many one-nitis cripples… this is because the roissy board is too big for our super-hero to dish out one-nitis pills… this has helped such poor men very generously and philanthropically.

    Ob, in my opinion, you give solid, above-generic advice to anyone who posts a question here. That’s tough to knock. You’ve got a grasp on a bunch of shit, and I’ve been lurking/posting long enough to recognize your personal progression.

    I don’t know or care where you fare, in terms of plying your trade (if i felt like i could help you, i would gladly… obviously you are doing the things you do, and very well… as am i, as i believe to). But, white men will fare poorly in shit-sty hoods because of, yes, the intelligence-testosterone inversion ratio, where females can select for testosterone, as their base level is insured by the government.

    So i spelled it out: feminist “democracy” points toward the desire of the black penis. Feminism selects AGAINST perceived intelligence. This is acknowledged. You should understand: us white boys are not fighting for our xenophobic existence by “lynching nigs” in the fields!!! I love watching Usain Bolt, even more so than rooting for Jeremy Wariner.

    Rather, such exquisite scholars such as “Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin” shame your stereotypical, “black” tendencies en masse. He tells a joke about your preferential distictions. A “feminist” would use the ‘different strokes’ argument… you deny it “in style.”

    I believe that you, Obsidian, have many valuable ideas, and that you are a vast credit to the blogosphere. This does not mean that you have garnered some authority regarding game. You have certainly gone out of your way, here, to help a couple of losers to find there way with women. Your activity is a plus.

    In my opinion, your audience of starched-collared whities overvalue this advice. When I first found roissy, I emailed him right away for advice with my one-nitis. I received no response.

    I learned over time, and applied what I thought was “game.” I plowed only halfway toward my goal, and again asked roissy what had plagued my pursuit. The answer had already been confessed: one-nitis.

    Bottom line here: you are living the good, hedonistic male life, and you have grown since you arrived here (so have i). You have certainly helped a few pussies… they thank you here because you make this your home. I think Bardamu jocks you in particular because you are black, and give him that leeway to run with unpopular ideas.

    Like myself, “Mu’Min…” never seeks to demean you conventionally. You are… obviously… well-written, self-realized, and self-actualized. He just does not let you sneak in digs like “black men do better than white men sexually” without a diagnosis. Do five fatties equal one hottie? Would a sixth? And, since the black man’s stereotype has exceeded the white man’s value as a sexual lover, what is our verdict? Condemnation? Build a wall? Disenfranchise women?

    Your hypothetical, as I recall (from long ago) is that white men like (us we here) should act on our (racialist) desires and just move into the breadbasket to proffer our ideals. Because… that’s where all the women who desire white beta men are living. This suggestion is clearly futile (ask me if you don’t think so).

    … Last remark… racism “complaints” here all seem to come from blacks. Like ‘dana’ said, curious that women (and jews) don’t seem to care. Well, ‘Seeking Alpha’ definitely responds to all jew bait (just try it). Meanwhile, you are ready to swoon with “new commenter” Ruby, who laments for the quality comments of “T. aka Ricky Raw”, who has not commented here all year.

    Roosh and VK (his other noted abscesses) have never given more than snark here since they were roissy’s original fans/friends. Ruby’s race-baiting lamentations for the “good old days” or against the racially-impure “good ol’ boys” ring hollow. Ruby speaks pretty gud for a negro… he has also brought nothing but eloquence to the comment-thread of this blog. He is the gorgeous Mestizo of black magniloquence: a true outlier.

    … and i’m out!

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  486. lurker

    lmao tjf. sticking your head in the sand doesn’t make the fact that you are wrong go away.

    The debate was already resolved in my favor, and that’s why you flipped out so badly that months and months later you’re still crying about it.

    tjf, you are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam had many successful societies.

    All of this is incorrect. And again, the only troll here is you, as has been repeatedly proven.

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  487. Obsidian is right about black guys having more game than white guys but this game, like cholesterol, comes in two forms. Black guys will have more game in the sense of having less approach anxiety or being more creatuve in openers, for example. But blacks lose so hard in any form of LTR/beta provider game, that in the list of signs of slutiness that Roissy a few months ago I would add “she dates black guys”

    therefore the sucess of blakcs is skewed towards the sluttier and uglier white girls. what I resent on that is the second effect, even though like Obsidian, I feel that most guys here resent the first effect more and take some pride in the second

    the first effect (black guys banging white sluts) creates resentment because white betas will know that there are hot white girls over there opening their legs for everyone, even for blacks, but not for them

    yet this is not my problem. My problem with blacks comes from my preference for white girls and the terrible effect taht black genes have on female beauty. Miscigenation with blacks destroys white beauty, and by banging uglier white girls blacks do a double harm: they prevent those girls´genes from being wiped out from the white gene pool and they add uber ugly girls to the gene pool instead, the offspring of ugly whites and blacks with IQ well below the white average

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  488. Don’t take the bait.

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  489. ruby, instead of getting all upset that people say things you don’t like about what ever group you feel an affinity for why don’t you just accept that people have all kinds of opinions you don’t approve of, some about your group–some about things you don’t get up in arms about.

    you don’t have a right not to see opinions you’d prefer not to see on an unmoderated, wide ranging comment forum

    suck it up

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  490. Gig is becoming one of my favorite commenters. He’s like Jakkelli on coke. Again, the only thing coming close to “racism” on these threads is Lucie’s gleeful delusions of a coming global antiwhite killoff. Most other commetnary is guys goofing on each other or a vigorous exchange of contentious opinions. Ruby, don’t be such a tender little petunia. You can do like me and sound off with your own opinions instead.

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  491. it never stops amazing me that blacks in this forum accept easily IQ differences between the races but go ballistic whenever someone points the unnatractiveness of black women in particular and the black race in general

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  492. “a whore is a girl who opens her ler legs for everyone. A slut is a girl who opens her legs for everyone but you.”

    wise words were spoken at Warung Beach Club last friday

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  493. In Response to Dana:

    Again, for the third or fourth time — Racism in itself here is irrelevant.

    To condense what I’m saying down into a few simple social formulas:

    [1] Pragmatism triumphs perception. — There is no useful goal that the resistance of bigotry [in any form: sexism, racism, homosexism, etc.] here aids except usual internet e-go satisfaction. I realize this and am not opposed to it on moral or personal grounds.

    [2] Power controls perception. — I was originally surprised to see that Roissy allowed racism to be fully and extremely expressed here, but after reading various archived posts by Roissy, I have gathered that he is indifferent to it or subtly in support of it.

    Roissy creates and controls this blog. He has complete domain over what is written here by everyone. The fact that he has made criticisms in the same vein as some racialists here and has allowed them to congregate and communicate in full should be a RED FLAG of warning to everyone that it is futile to oppose what is now the majority
    here.

    [editor: it’s called free speech, commie. get used to it around here.]

    [3] Perception shapes expression. — Or rather, demographics shapes what is able to be expressed without resistance.

    What I am ultimately trying to convey to those who resist racism here rather than those who express it is:

    Your efforts will go unrewarded and severely punished.

    Give up.

    Feeling the need to Black-Knight [pun intended] against every sleight against culture and color only encourages the vigor and exposes the sensitivities by which others can attack you.

    I myself completely acquiesce.

    There is nothing for me to gain by making a stand of valor in the culture wars here.

    I just want to continue to learn and discuss “Game”.

    You win. Lets move on.

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  494. ah, tjf. nothing like determined ignorance, casting aside all facts to the contrary, eh? lol.

    “The debate was already resolved in my favor,”
    —No, you lost.

    “and that’s why you flipped out so badly that months and months later you’re still crying about it.”
    —if by flipping out so badly, you mean not letting an ignoramous like tjf pretend that tjf’s making things up and ignoring facts and havign no one agree with him=winning an argument, then yes, tjf, I am flipping out so badly. 🙂

    “All of this is incorrect.”
    –again, tjf, you are completely incorrect. Established history contradicts you in a thousand ways, as I have demonstrated with just a few links. You have offered no proof that established history, showing that Islam has created a multitude of successful societies, is incorrect.

    You have offered no alternative history other than to stamp your feet and claim that you’re right and the world is wrong.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

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  495. If I may…

    Notice how Ruby’s “bottomline” elicits SILENCE on the part of Dana, Gig, Apeman, etc, et al. If they’re all in agreement about Black folk, and Black guys like Ruby are also in agreement with *their* agreement, then why can’t said parties simply move on and discuss Game?

    I have asked Dana straight up-what has she contributed to this forum in the form of Game that can be of benefit to guys like Ruby, who come here not to hash out racial stuff, but to learn how better to relate to Women? Thus far, no response.

    Same deal w/Apeman. Nada.

    And the beat goes on.

    At the end of the day, none of this racial talk is gonna help the average guy out there get laid. It just won’t. Roissy can afford to indulge such discussions because, none of it prevents him from scoring. Its a luxury he can afford.

    But unless you’re in a similar place like Roissy, where you can pretty much write your own ticket to Poon, you can’t.

    Gig’s comments were interesting, but again: if Black Women aren’t your shot, or Women of Black heritage, why not simply go to where there are Women of your liking and call it a day? Why the need to rag on and on about Women who by your own admission you don’t like? I’ve said several times that as a rule I don’t find Asian Women attractive. Yet you’ve yet to hear me ragging on and on about them. They are simply not a part of my world, by my choice. And I simply move on.

    It occurs to me that a good bit of time is wasted on stuff that ultimately is no good to anyone. I see the role I’ve played in that, and will try to be more productive.

    I hope others will do same.

    The Obsidian

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  496. xsplat tattled:

    Firepower

    The leading around of the male happens after the trap marriage – and after they decoy you into it, after all the seemingly cheap and easy sex you get from them when single.

    Then the clock strikes midnight, the were-fangs come out; the pussy turns into a pumpkin. Never marry an AZN. EVR

    As opposed to? In contrast to?

    That’s twice imputing onto Asians purely female cross cultural traits that are not even mildly more common in Asian societies.

    As if it wasn’t widely known that FEMALES stop fucking after they think they own you.

    Thanks for keeping track so assiduously. When I get to four imputations, let me know.

    But, if you wanna have lilgrl, don’t fall for the ‘math ruse’ – just work on your abs and bank account like TAF recommends.

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  497. Canon,
    Replies below:

    CC: Obsidian,
    YOU baited this thread with your usual assertion that black men “have more game” than white men. your contractor points fun at your assessment by describing those terms relatively. personally, i savor the weighted tomes from such a dedicated comedian. (i am actually more excited to find a comment from “Mu’Min seeks FAAAAT WuMin” than roissy himself at this point…)

    O: Far be it for me to knock anyone’s sense of humor, but Apeman’s “jokes” really miss the mark. First off, like Maurice said, it seems he’s more interested that I am about who Black Men has sex with. Second, the type of Woman being Gamed is irrelevant, since Game principles have been shown to have wide cultural application. Moreover, Apeman has yet to offer any Game-related advice himself. All of this I find problematic about him, and don’t even get me started on his “theories”.

    CC: barack obama deigns respect for such self-serving, offensive comedians as the invited-wanda sykes to perform for his audience, and he laughed as she proposed rush limbaugh was the absent suicide bomber within the 9/11 attack network, then mocked his “painkiller addiction.”

    could a white comedian mock marion barry’s “painkiller” addiction, free of charge? if 41 had laughed at that joke…

    O: In a word, NO. Why? Because White folk still have the upperhand in American society, and any good comedian or satirist knows that its never good for the Overdog to kick the Underdog. I know this is very tough for a lot of White guys in our time to take, but sorry, that’s the way it is, and will be for some time to come. If or when Whites truly become a disempowered and disaffected Minority, you will then be free to invite as many irreverent White comedians as you like.

    CC: “Obsidian” is like a democratic senator in massachusetts. He plays himself out on a few topics, but his white apologist constituency will continue to vote for him during every election.

    O: ?

    CC: Obsidian has given suave advice to many one-nitis cripples… this is because the roissy board is too big for our super-hero to dish out one-nitis pills… this has helped such poor men very generously and philanthropically.

    O: Thank you. I only wish there were more guys here who would join in the assist.

    CC: Ob, in my opinion, you give solid, above-generic advice to anyone who posts a question here. That’s tough to knock. You’ve got a grasp on a bunch of shit, and I’ve been lurking/posting long enough to recognize your personal progression.

    O: Thanks again.

    CC: I don’t know or care where you fare, in terms of plying your trade (if i felt like i could help you, i would gladly… obviously you are doing the things you do, and very well… as am i, as i believe to). But, white men will fare poorly in shit-sty hoods because of, yes, the intelligence-testosterone inversion ratio, where females can select for testosterone, as their base level is insured by the government.

    O: No doubt, “the game”, and by that I mean the dating/mating game, has greatly changed for the average White guy in America. Thereis simply no doubt about this. And the biggest driver in all of this is the fact that Women simply don’t need a Man to care for her or her kids financially. The gov’t plays a huge role in this. All true.

    That said, there ain’t a darned thing you, I or anyone else can do about it. The only thing we can do is try to make ourselves marketable in the “new game”. That’s it. And that’s what I try to focus on.

    CC: So i spelled it out: feminist “democracy” points toward the desire of the black penis. Feminism selects AGAINST perceived intelligence. This is acknowledged. You should understand: us white boys are not fighting for our xenophobic existence by “lynching nigs” in the fields!!! I love watching Usain Bolt, even more so than rooting for Jeremy Wariner.

    O: I take exception to the implication that Black guys lack intelligence, I certainly don’t and I personally know many smart Black Men. I think the issue here isn’t raw IQ, but rather “social intelligence” which it seems, more White guys lack than Black. In any event, my point about Black guys having more Natural Game than White is something that has been mentioned by Audacious Epigone, Ferdinand Bardamu and Roissy, just for starters-in fact, I tink its air to say that if there’s one thing that is easily observable, its that for whatever reason, Black guys have an easier time of it with Women than White guys. People like Gig and Apeman, basically trying to “muddy the waters” by saying “yea, well, Black guys only bang sluts!” is ridiculous on its face, because were it not for “better” guys in the field, a lot of White guys would bang the same gals. And even if they didn’t, at the end of the day, LOTS OF WHITE GUYS CAN’T GET LAID-not with sluts, highend gals, NOTHING. So it makes no good sense at all to go barking up a Brotha’s tree, when clearly they aint the ones with the problem-Brett and Brad are the ones with the problem.

    CC: Rather, such exquisite scholars such as “Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin” shame your stereotypical, “black” tendencies en masse. He tells a joke about your preferential distictions. A “feminist” would use the ‘different strokes’ argument… you deny it “in style.”

    O: I simply say: So What? It in no way diminishes anythin I’ve said, and again highlights Apeman’s utter lack of contributions to Game in the way of his posts.

    CC: I believe that you, Obsidian, have many valuable ideas, and that you are a vast credit to the blogosphere. This does not mean that you have garnered some authority regarding game. You have certainly gone out of your way, here, to help a couple of losers to find there way with women. Your activity is a plus.

    O: I never set out to be an “authority” on Game, but I will say this: if, by Roissy’s definition and a few others, an Alpha Male is one who could bang lots of Women on HIS terms, then an Alpha Male I be. Most Men walking around, CANNOT say that. I can. And before I discovered Roissy’s forum and by extension Mystery, Style and Game, I was never hard up for female company if I wanted it. The only difference was, like most Black guys, I was flying on automatic pilot if you will; Game helped me see WHY things worked the way they did. And its helped refine my Game bigtime.

    So, because I’m in a position to know what getting Pussy on Demand feels like, and have for may years, I do think I’m in a position to give advice to guys who want the same. Does that make me an “authority”? I don’t know. Never gave it much thought, lol.

    CC: In my opinion, your audience of starched-collared whities overvalue this advice.
    O: That’s an interesting statement given how much the very same audience pays through the nose for the same advice. PUAs don’t come cheap, don’t you know.

    CC: When I first found roissy, I emailed him right away for advice with my one-nitis. I received no response.

    I learned over time, and applied what I thought was “game.” I plowed only halfway toward my goal, and again asked roissy what had plagued my pursuit. The answer had already been confessed: one-nitis.

    Bottom line here: you are living the good, hedonistic male life, and you have grown since you arrived here (so have i). You have certainly helped a few pussies… they thank you here because you make this your home. I think Bardamu jocks you in particular because you are black, and give him that leeway to run with unpopular ideas.

    O: And here I thought it was because FB and I saw a lot of things eye to eye… 😉

    CC: Like myself, “Mu’Min…” never seeks to demean you conventionally. You are… obviously… well-written, self-realized, and self-actualized. He just does not let you sneak in digs like “black men do better than white men sexually” without a diagnosis. Do five fatties equal one hottie? Would a sixth? And, since the black man’s stereotype has exceeded the white man’s value as a sexual lover, what is our verdict? Condemnation? Build a wall? Disenfranchise women?

    O: Apeman is skilled at moving goalposts and engaging in logical fallacies. Game works on Women, period. It is up to the practitioner to determine which kind of Women he wants to bed. The simple fact of the matter is that Black Men are better skilled at what is considered Natural Game, possibly due to HBD related reasons. Game has in the main been a pursuit and interest of White Men up to this point. If Apeman was truly interested in assisting White Men bang more quality Women, is he achieving this goal by ragging on and on about Black Women, or who Black Men find attractive? The bottomline is that Black guys are consistently getting their dicks wet. To say “yea, but the chicks are ho’s!” is stupid, because MOST WHITE GUYS AREN’T GETTING ANYTHING. Please see Roissy’s recent post about why even sluts won’t bang Betas. So, as usual, Apeman’s logicall fallacies are exposed. Again.

    CC: Your hypothetical, as I recall (from long ago) is that white men like (us we here) should act on our (racialist) desires and just move into the breadbasket to proffer our ideals. Because… that’s where all the women who desire white beta men are living. This suggestion is clearly futile (ask me if you don’t think so).

    O: OK-I really don’t think so. Please explain?

    CC: … Last remark… racism “complaints” here all seem to come from blacks. Like ‘dana’ said, curious that women (and jews) don’t seem to care. Well, ‘Seeking Alpha’ definitely responds to all jew bait (just try it). Meanwhile, you are ready to swoon with “new commenter” Ruby, who laments for the quality comments of “T. aka Ricky Raw”, who has not commented here all year.

    O: I’m curious if Dana would be cool if we all started posting stuff by Dr. Kevin MacDonald, and so on? There have been a few posters in the past, like ScothFiend, who’ve had a Jewish focus, but nothing as sustained as the anti-Black one. And as we all know its easy to sit on the sidelines and trash talk because you’re not on the fild getting hit. Maybe I need to post up some of the Good Doctor’s thoughts and see how Dana responds…

    CC: Roosh and VK (his other noted abscesses) have never given more than snark here since they were roissy’s original fans/friends. Ruby’s race-baiting lamentations for the “good old days” or against the racially-impure “good ol’ boys” ring hollow. Ruby speaks pretty gud for a negro… he has also brought nothing but eloquence to the comment-thread of this blog. He is the gorgeous Mestizo of black magniloquence: a true outlier.

    O: I don’t know Ruby any better than you do, but he makes some good points, namely, that almost from Day One, this has been a hotbed of HBDism aka Hatin On Blackism. It is, what it is, and was the case long before I or many of the other Black commenters came along. What’s changed since then is that I and a few others simply won’t allow the comments to go unchallenged. And when the mood strikes me, I’ll challenge the Bullshit “theories” again. Because I can.

    Thanks Canon, I always enjoy reading your thoughts and what you have to say.

    O

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  498. obs if you ever read any of my posts youd see i don’t give any more of a flying fuck about what people say about jews than i do about women. 96% of “antisemitism” is true, you should hear what jews admit about themselves when we’re alone–so?

    im DANA, im not “jews” and im not “women”. post douchebag kevin macdonald all day, wtf would i care? skinheads used to bait me and call me “subhuman kike” etc when i was a 16 girl and i handled with more aplomb than you handle the mildest criticism.

    i have posted on MY experience as a woman who is driven into insane love by a man who keeps me on my toes with constant LTR game, i have written about women allowing men ownership over them and the benefits the WOMEN receive from it. i have written about the experience of being firmly physically chastised in a non abusive manner and the results in confirmation of “chicks dig jerks”. i have written about no fault divorce and shared my two tier marriage theory to save marriage for MEN. there is no rule that you must only discuss game here that i am aware of, but i have consistently been supportive of males, men’s rights, PUA theory and game

    you, obs, just cannot believe someone isn’t intimidated by your mau mauing. its that simple–i’m a woman who is repulsed by black men, so you can’t game me and i’m a white who isn’t embarrassed to say things you don’t want to hear on an online forum that’s anonymous so you can’t threaten me physically, which trust me, is the only thing that keeps whites silent.

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  499. obsidian truthed: given the well known and fairly agreed upon fact, that on average, Black guys get more action than do White.

    true – but you mustn’t skew data
    by including sportraping
    suburbanites

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  500. if Black Women aren’t your shot, or Women of Black heritage, why not simply go to where there are Women of your liking and call it a day?

    because I think that life on Earth, to be worth living, requires some sense of beauty and happiness requires that beauty thus defined surrounds you in some way. Beauty takes the form of good food, nice buildings, great music and, most important of all, female beauty. I believe that a loving women, despite the amorality of the female gender, is the apex of Earthy beauty and the greatest pleasure a man can have on this Earth

    I believe that all forms of beauty except female beauty have been refined the most and reached their maximum glory through the Catholic Church and Catholic Culture that comes through the CHurch.

    Even female beauty, for me, reached their most perfect status in Catholic SOuth and Eastern Europe and their diasporas.

    ANd blacks in the post civil rights world work to destroy everything I wrote above. Either directly destroying female beauty through miscigenation or indirectly by enabling through their votes the crimes of the Left against the culture that made the most for a beautiful life on Earth

    Notice how Ruby’s “bottomline” elicits SILENCE on the part of Dana, Gig, Apeman, etc, et al

    read what I wrote above and remember that even regulars here may take several hours before refreshing the blog page

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  501. MSFW, you might feel singled out, but you’re not in the class of racists who make it overly personal. You don’t bring the kind of vitriol to the table that others do. You just seem to take the fact that Black American men tend to be more prolific lovers as a dig, when it’s not meant to be. It’s a statement about a patten of behavior, and Obsidian isn’t and has never said that this means that Black men are better.

    It’s a good thing that you question why. What makes you come off as inflammatory is that your conclusions weren’t based on real anthropology, and that you put a kind of moral value on looks that doesn’t belong there.

    What is important in mate selection is that your mate is suitable for you. You don’t get to decide for other people that their mates are unsuitable for them based on what works for you. Also, what is popular or affords a woman higher social status *among women* who don’t have other ways of determining status is supposed to be irrelevant to a man who has no particular social need for a trophy.

    Even for those for whom it is relevant, historically, the trophy is often jealous of the concubine. Despite trophy’s higher social value, concubine has his sexual desire.

    Mutual monogamy means that a woman is supposed to be a bit of both, but it also means that men have to be more of both a socially acceptable long term mate and a protector from the “barbarian raiders” who are now other men all around you who are willing to shag or take away your woman.

    Sexual racists who make it a moral issue rather than a matter of preference are male trophies. They don’t want people to have the option of maintaining their race and culture through male style selection. They want their peers to maintain it the female way, which is to choose the trophy regardless of whether she deserves his attention.

    Under that ideology, if every White woman in your town under 150 lbs. is a burning slut, and the only girls raised sanely are non White or fat (using fat as an example of a physical defect, and you could throw any other in there), you’re supposed to choose the physically defective or morally inferior White woman over the others.

    You see how this serves women better than it does men. So a man who’s getting over the social shackles of feminism should probably be trying to get over all of them. Improving your game might help you get into the pants of the overly entitled, and may help you to control them to some degree in a long term relationships, but in my opinion, another thing it ought to teach you is how to shut down their b.s.

    A man should always be willing to say “screw you” and not give a woman more value than she actually has. The racial pedestal is just as damaging as the gender one. The two combined make for a frustrated man who feels boxed into a corner with no way out but settling for less quality, that doesn’t really give him higher status. It gives the woman status among women on his back.

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  502. Dana,
    Replies as follows:

    D: obs if you ever read any of my posts youd see i don’t give any more of a flying fuck about what people say about jews than i do about women. 96% of “antisemitism” is true, you should hear what jews admit about themselves when we’re alone–so?

    O: So, we’ll see when we air some of it here…

    D: im DANA, im not “jews” and im not “women”. post douchebag kevin macdonald all day, wtf would i care? skinheads used to bait me and call me “subhuman kike” etc when i was a 16 girl and i handled with more aplomb than you handle the mildest criticism.

    O: Well, when I said the exact same thing, about being viewed as an individual, you went apopletic and demanded why I couldn’t or wouldn’t make other Black folk “behave”. Interesting. At any rate, very interesting response to my suggestion of posting some of Dr. MacDonald’s views and thoughts. Very interesting, indeed. We’ll have to put it to the test…

    As for my handling of the “mildest criticism” of Black folk, this coming from one who hasn’t seen The Wire, my discussion of which obliterates the dumb, silly sh*t you and others here have tried to say. Try again.

    D: i have posted on MY experience as a woman who is driven into insane love by a man who keeps me on my toes with constant LTR game, i have written about women allowing men ownership over them and the benefits the WOMEN receive from it. i have written about the experience of being firmly physically chastised in a non abusive manner and the results in confirmation of “chicks dig jerks”. i have written about no fault divorce and shared my two tier marriage theory to save marriage for MEN. there is no rule that you must only discuss game here that i am aware of, but i have consistently been supportive of males, men’s rights, PUA theory and game

    O: Perhaps you’d get a lot more done and more of the Men you claim to love would actualy get more done and out of said sage insights, if you focused on that than on talking ah*t about sh*t you can’t do a damned thing about, hmm?

    Now, that wasn’t so bad, was it? 😉

    D: you, obs, just cannot believe someone isn’t intimidated by your mau mauing. its that simple–i’m a woman who is repulsed by black men, so you can’t game me and i’m a white who isn’t embarrassed to say things you don’t want to hear on an online forum that’s anonymous so you can’t threaten me physically, which trust me, is the only thing that keeps whites silent.

    O: LOL. I don’t need to “Mau Mau” you to get the job done, Dana, you’re not that deep.

    Ironically enough, its Skinheads and their ilk that you have more to fear in that regard than me or most Black folk, Dana. Skinheads have made their disgust and hatred for your kind very well known for some time now, and have had no qualms about offing you either. So please, spare me the Birth Of A Nation rap, it gets no play here.

    Moreover I don’t need to “threaten” you or anyone else here, all I need to do is rhetorically slap the sh*t outta your silly flat ass for talking out of the side of your neck in the way you do.

    As for the “you can’t Game me” crap, it just goes to show how much Game you DON’T know. Let the fellas who know the deal properly school you-the Women who talk the most sh*t, sound familiar, are the ones most likely to lying spreadeagle on the bed getting rawdogged from the back.

    Although I do have to say that my personal experiences w/Jewish gals have been largely positive, once you get passed the JAPsheilds…

    So again, spare me the kvetching Dana, and stop swinging off the left nut of the guys here. It looks worse than Doug1’s internet flirting.

    The Obsidian

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  503. Gig,
    Then your true “beef” aint with Black people, but your fellow Whites, for making it possible for Black folk to fully realize their potential. Stop scapegoating and confront the ones who are truly in a position to change things.

    As for your comments wrt Black Men and LTR Game, I disagree-LTR Game has been my preference from Day One. Indeed, if anything, based on the comments of quite a few here, I’m the last one to engage in “Same Night Lays” and the like. The vast majority of guys into this, in this venue, are White.

    Being Black has always made it harder to maintain a marriage or LTR. If you knew American history, you’d know this.

    Anyway, your reasons for whipping up on Black Women sound weak to me. There are entire countries, of Christian background, that have virtually no Black folk in them. Go there, and be happy, Man. Stop the hate.

    O

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  504. Obsidian said “As for the “you can’t Game me” crap, it just goes to show how much Game you DON’T know. Let the fellas who know the deal properly school you-the Women who talk the most sh*t, sound familiar, are the ones most likely to lying spreadeagle on the bed getting rawdogged from the back.”

    Heheheh…Well, apparently some skinhead had enough game to game the ungameable generic White promoting Jewish princess.

    That right there is a testament to the power of game *and* a guy setting aside the racial pedestal to select a woman with traits he liked.

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  505. jesus christ you stupid fuckin’ schvoogies can’t read. i said “since i find BLACK MEN REPULSIVE you(meaning OBSIDIAN) can’t game me” not “i can’t be gamed by men”

    i am as susceptible to game from human males as any woman on earth, just not from non-humans, like dogs, monkeys, horses, negroes et al

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  506. Dana, you lie so much, and you’re so irrational that nobody can really know whether or not you sincerely find Black men repulsive. What is obvious is that this particular Black man (Obsidian) is twisting the pimp cane in your cognitive dissonance. Pretty good for a supposed “non human”.

    He’s obviously smarter than you, wiser than you, and not swallowing your superioritaah like many White guys did. He’s a man, and he doesn’t believe you’re worth more just because you’re White.

    Sticks in your craw, doesn’t it?

    You should read the Gor series. You’re just a woman.

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  507. lurker

    No, you lost.

    Hardly. If you had won, you wouldn’t have gone off the deep end like this.

    if by flipping out so badly, you mean not letting an ignoramous like tjf pretend that tjf’s making things up and ignoring facts and havign no one agree with him=winning an argument, then yes, tjf, I am flipping out so badly.

    Whatever. You are clearly a disturbed person.

    again, tjf, you are completely incorrect. Established history contradicts you in a thousand ways, as I have demonstrated with just a few links. You have offered no proof that established history, showing that Islam has created a multitude of successful societies, is incorrect.

    You have offered no alternative history other than to stamp your feet and claim that you’re right and the world is wrong.

    How does it feel to be such a loser?

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

    All nonsense. And for the billionth time: you are the troll, not me. This has been conclusively proven many times.

    Obsidian

    Game works on Women, period.

    Some women.

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  508. LOL. See how that Yenta Dana goes apeshit, lol.

    Of course, she doesn’t stop to ask: what made her think that the Obsidian *wanted* to Game HER?!? Self-important much? LOL

    Anyway, see Dana run.

    O

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  509. Ah, now we see the fullfledged moron known as tjf in bloom:

    “Hardly. If you had won, you wouldn’t have gone off the deep end like this.”
    —lol. or I just enjoy annoying a reality-denying space cadet like you the pleasure of living in your delusions.

    You decide.

    “Whatever. You are clearly a disturbed person.”
    –nice comeback. did I use too many big words for you? lol.

    “How does it feel to be such a loser?”
    –its amazing watching this autistic tard ignore fact and rush to ad hominem. Oh well.

    “All nonsense. ”
    —note the moron’s actions here: denying the relevant facts of history and offering no alternative that is either logical or accepted.

    He just can’t accept the truth: that Islam has created a multitude of successful societies. Poor baby.

    “And for the billionth time: you are the troll, not me.”
    —then why has Roissy banned you….twice?

    “This has been conclusively proven many times.”
    —repeating a lie does not make it true, little man.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

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  510. lurker

    lol. or I just enjoy annoying a reality-denying space cadet like you the pleasure of living in your delusions.

    No, you just went off the deep end.

    nice comeback. did I use too many big words for you? lol.

    Only a disturbed person acts the way you do.

    its amazing watching this autistic tard ignore fact and rush to ad hominem. Oh well.

    Yes, watching you sure is amazing.

    note the moron’s actions here: denying the relevant facts of history and offering no alternative that is either logical or accepted.

    He just can’t accept the truth: that Islam has created a multitude of successful societies. Poor baby.

    “Waah waah, I lost a debate months ago and now I’m still crying about it like a bitch because I have mental problems.”

    then why has Roissy banned you….twice?

    This argument would make sense in a universe where the only possible reason for a ban is because someone is trolling. However, we do not live in such a universe.

    repeating a lie does not make it true, little man.

    It’s just a simple fact. It has been demonstrated many times that you’re a troll, whereas nobody has proven that I am one.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

    All nonsense. And for the billionth time: you are the troll, not me. This has been conclusively proven many times.

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  511. obsidian

    again, i know you can’t read for comprehension so i will explain as if to a child.

    i didnt say you “wanted” to game me, so no, i didn’t “stop to ask” that. i said i am a woman you *can’t* game (ie, charm with your sexuality) because i don’t consider you human and a white you can’t intimidate out of stating my true opinions because i don’t care if people think i’m that made-up racist thingie.

    those are two weapons in your arsenal that are ineffectual. others are “ooo you mean about black i be mean about jews” and, most hilariously, appealing to the opinions of “the group” as support. do a little research into intj’s and see how concerned we are about going along to get along and establishing good will.

    in fact, all i see you doing is resorting to female shaming tactics like social shaming and personal insults.

    now, you know full well jews talk and talk and never shut the fuck up–you honestly think you will get the last word?

    on a positive note you have duly impressed the hebephrenic tree ogre, so kudos there

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  512. now we see the fullfledged moron known as tjf in bloom

    STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL.

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  513. Thank you, Thursday.

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  514. Thursday, you really are mentally deficient or willfully ignorant if you can’t see that lurker is the site’s resident troll.

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  515. c’mon Thursday, this is fun. Besides, its not on a main thread. Good harmelss troll bashing.

    “No, you just went off the deep end.”
    —said the little boy who lives in a fantasy world where Islam created no successful societies.

    “Only a disturbed person claims all history is false without any rationale, like tjf does.”
    —-FTFY, kiddo.

    “Yes, watching you sure is amazing.”
    —I know. Watching me make mincemeat out of your insane blatherings is breathtaking even for me.

    “Waah waah, I lost a debate months ago and now I’m still crying about it like a bitch because I have mental problems.”
    —lol. note the moron in bloom: he can’t answer any fact or argument I’ve made showing that Islam has created successful societies , but resorts to blubbering “I won!” like his hero, Nobama.

    Ladies and gentlement, tjf, immaturity defined.

    “This argument would make sense in a universe where the only possible reason for a ban is because someone is trolling. However, we do not live in such a universe.”
    –lol. b/c Roissy banned you for not trolling. got it. (/sarcasm)

    “It’s just a simple fact. It has been demonstrated many times that you’re a troll, whereas nobody has proven that I am one.”
    –lol. In this tard’s world, the judge, prosecutor,a nd jury are all him, and him alone.

    “All nonsense.”
    —those darn pesky facts are just nonsense!

    “And for the billionth time: you are the troll, not me. This has been conclusively proven many times.”

    — You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

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  516. *sigh* obs, dana: fate has willed it that you are each other’s antiparticle. if you ever met in person you’d probably explode in a burst of gamma rays. it’s a shame, because you are both brilliant in sort of opposing ways, but the race issue is what you always come back to in your flame wars.

    @dana- obs, and blacks, are not “subhuman” or related to animals (except for DA, who self identifies that way. so if you call *him* subhuman he’d probably thank you). you can be not attracted to black men, you can say (correctly) that blacks in the U.S. commit more crimes, or whatever. but does that have predictive power for individuals? does it make sense to lump anyone on this board with the crudest stereotypes, however accurate you think they are? you’ve said many times that you don’t give a shit if people tar you with jewish stereotypes, and it’s plainly true, even though obs has jabbed back at you along those lines a few times. but going down that road on this board just pollutes it and adds to the pointless race talk that always generates way more heat than light. i think most of your posts are brilliant and among the best on the board, but the crude race-baiting is below your level. i think you can respect obs and various other commenters even if you disagree with them, either in substance or style.

    i know i’m going to get flamed for trying to encourage civility, but … sheesh, someone has to do it. at least suggest it. this board was a better place without all the crap.

    speaking of which, @tjf/lurker: please change the subject or go the fuck away for a while. your exchanges are like the death grip of two pit bulls that can’t let go of each other during a fight because their aggression is so insane. LET IT GO!! !!!

    @obs- won’t rewrite the above, but be good too. you are usually the provokee, but as i advised yesterday, responding to every slight ends up generating more anger than good info, despite your best intentions.

    btw, i’m developing a theory: is “Mu’min…” actually Firepower? the writing and humor styles are similar enough to make me wonder…

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  517. on September 8, 2009 at 10:33 pm Anonymous joker

    maurice plaintively intoned:

    i know i’m going to get flamed for trying to encourage civility, but … sheesh, someone has to do it. at least suggest it. this board was a better place without all the crap.

    Fuck you asshole!

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  518. on September 8, 2009 at 10:37 pm Anonymous joker

    maurice also mentioned:

    speaking of which, @tjf/lurker: please change the subject or go the fuck away for a while.

    Don’t forget to mention Mandy xD. She and lurker got along like Obs and dana.

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  519. @maurice

    btw, i’m developing a theory: is “Mu’min…” actually Firepower? the writing and humor styles are similar enough to make me wonder…

    Firepower
    Mu’min
    You must be jokin.

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  520. @default – i’m not sure, i’m just wondering. probably not.

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  521. @maurice

    @default – i’m not sure, i’m just wondering. probably not.

    Hi maurice what’s up?

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  522. just bummed that two of my favorite board commenters hate each other. how about you? where did you go to for those weeks you were away? and what’s your secret plan that you aren’t going to stick around much longer?

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  523. @maurice
    No secret plan. Still lurk here sometimes. I just took/am taking a break. I occasionally crop up on other blogs but mostly keep a low profile.

    tjf and lurker are your two favorite commenters? Hey I am not one to judge but… 🙂

    Hmm on the Firepower/Mu’min thing.

    I once though David Alexander and The G Manifesto were a yin and yang partnership.
    [not really, just kidding]

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  524. maurice:

    fate has willed it that you are each other’s antiparticle. if you ever met in person you’d probably explode in a burst of gamma rays.

    Funny, that’s just what I thought would happen if Alias Clio and Poetry of Flesh ever met each other.

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  525. Mo, relax. Its just fun to piss in tjf’s cheerios. You need to lighten up, its just a secondary board.

    Mandy, on the other hand, deserved to get raped.

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  526. Is it strange that I feel oddly attracted to lurker?

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  527. Obsidian generally has some decent things to say, but overstates IMO the success black men have with women and underrates the success white men have. There are white men who can never get any, but it doesn’t seem like anything close to a majority. Similarly, I know that some blacks aren’t getting any either.

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  528. WTF? What does that have to do with game? Do you feel threatened by black men who are focused on white women?

    There are more than enough to go around, and the gorgeous black women in the US are open to suggestions from anyone with the balls to approach them.

    Quit with the racism – we are all Brothers in Game.

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  529. on September 9, 2009 at 2:44 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Nicole wrote :

    MSFW, you might feel singled out, but you’re not in the class of racists who make it overly personal. You don’t bring the kind of vitriol to the table that others do.

    Correct. I am more driven by humor than anything else. Sometimes it is a hit, sometimes a miss. But I did get two major ‘humor’ accolades here.

    You will notice that I haven’t been cruel to you personally, while many others have been.

    At the same time, I have no problem with interracial mating as long as one race does not provide an excuse to the other race to lower their beauty standards (as is presently the case with black men and obese white women). If black men demanded higher beauty from these obese white women, then it would be a positive force, rather then the standard-lowering force it presently is. There are others here who are quite opposed to whites interbreeding with others in all circumstances.

    Canon’s Cannon wrote :

    Like myself, “Mu’Min…” never seeks to demean you conventionally

    Yes. I actually applaud Obsidian for being a McCain voter, and a black who voted against Obama is a national treasure. Plus, I will never crank call him to play the Fat Albert “Hey, Hey, Heeeyyaayyy” theme music over the phone, even though I know Obsidian’s personal phone number. Comedy is meant for an audience.

    The comedy opportunities he provides are just too high. Where else can titles like ‘Obese-dian the ASS-trologer’ yield such a rich macrame of humor threads? We could darn near create an entire comic strip around the character.

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  530. People please….

    Get this type of comment on Twitter.

    Each and every one of you needs to have a Twitter account and we need to be filling the hashtags for the political parties with this type of stuff.

    Those tags are #tcot for conservatives, #tlot for libertarians and #sgp for the new type of “strong woman” taking over the Republican Party via Twitter.

    A Tweet needs to be like a post or a good comment. Never waste a tweet saying something inane like what you ate or something not related to men’s rights and/or dating phenoms.

    Also, I am surprised IMBRA is not mentioned so much here.

    Pls get on Twitter and follow people like @dontmarry @definingmanhood @veteransabroad @khankrumthebulg and @mensnews.

    Back each other up. Send Retweets. Show the Beta Republican Bloggers that there are actually more than 2 men’s rights advocates on Twitter (believe me, many Republican leaders on Twitter are rude and think there are only 2 crazies out there who think men should talk about rights).

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  531. MSFW says, “If black men demanded higher beauty from these obese white women, then it would be a positive force, rather then the standard-lowering force it presently is.”

    I agree on some level, but if it was just obesity, it wouldn’t be such a problem. America is fattening up across the board because of industrialized phood (edible products that aren’t really food), and compared to that, some Black guys who are fat friendly are a mere side note. It’s latched onto by the masses as a justification for letting one’s self go and not asking the right questions about one’s food, but its actual impact is minimal without propaganda to prop it up.

    I believe that what’s going on is a kind of co opting of convenient aspects of Black American culture by the mass media. They see a phenomenon, tolerance for a bit of extra weight and a fun loving youth culture that matures into an active and sexual adulthood and midlife, but don’t really understand how and why that happens. So the cultural phenomena are separated from the biology, and held up as ideals that others should adhere to cause they’re just so cool.

    It happens the other way too…Black people adopting certain aspects of generic White culture that are already messed up for White people, but try telling that to an “oreo” who believes their ticket to a better life is at the bottom of the melting pot.

    As one White guy, if you want to have some influence on the trend overall, you have to amass enough power and social pull to make an impact. Make it a project. As an individual, you can just not buy the hype but understand that standing your ground can be a lonely road. If you’re cool with that, then other idiots’ problem doesn’t have to become your problem.

    If enough guys do that then maybe women will start looking at the ingredients’ list and not eating stuff they can’t even pronounce…and bonus, stop putting that crap on your and your kids’ dinner tables too.

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  532. lurker

    c’mon Thursday, this is fun. Besides, its not on a main thread. Good harmelss troll bashing.

    Yes, bashing you is occasionally amusing.

    Only a disturbed person claims all history is false without any rationale, like tjf does.

    Except, of course, that I’ve never made such a claim.

    I know. Watching me make mincemeat out of your insane blatherings is breathtaking even for me.

    It’s quite obvious that you’re the one who’s insane.

    lol. note the moron in bloom: he can’t answer any fact or argument I’ve made showing that Islam has created successful societies , but resorts to blubbering “I won!” like his hero, Nobama.

    You lost. Get over it. And since when has Obama been my hero? I do not care about him.

    Ladies and gentlement, tjf, immaturity defined.

    Says the person who acts like a 13 year old.

    lol. b/c Roissy banned you for not trolling. got it. (/sarcasm)

    If roissy gave two shits about trolling you would have been banned ages ago.

    lol. In this tard’s world, the judge, prosecutor,a nd jury are all him, and him alone.

    The fact that you’re a troll becomes immediately apparent when one looks at your behavior and then at the definition of trolling.

    those darn pesky facts are just nonsense!

    The inner workings of your imagination do not constitute factual information.

    You lose, tjf. You are wrong, and you are a troll. Islam has created successful societies.

    All nonsense. And for the billionth time: you are the troll, not me. This has been conclusively proven many times.

    maurice

    speaking of which, @tjf/lurker: please change the subject or go the fuck away for a while. your exchanges are like the death grip of two pit bulls that can’t let go of each other during a fight because their aggression is so insane. LET IT GO!! !!!

    If you had even half a brain cell in your skull you would clearly see that it’s lurker who instigates these arguments without any reason or provocation, not me.

    Sofia

    Is it strange that I feel oddly attracted to lurker?

    No, it just indicates that you’re retarded.

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  533. Hi Dana,

    D: again, i know you can’t read for comprehension so i will explain as if to a child.

    O: Who’s sloshing aroun personal insults again?

    D: i didnt say you “wanted” to game me, so no, i didn’t “stop to ask” that. i said i am a woman you *can’t* game (ie, charm with your sexuality) because i don’t consider you human and a white you can’t intimidate out of stating my true opinions because i don’t care if people think i’m that made-up racist thingie.

    O: That makes two of us. Because I don’t care about your overrated sense of Jewish wannabe mainstream White female superiority. In fact you’d be doing me and the rest of Philly a huge favor if you packed your shit and moved out to Bumfuck USA. I’ll have a party in your honor when you do. Now get to packing.

    And, no, you need to stop a minute and actually read what you wrote, knucklehead. Let me say it again-who said I had ANY interest in trying to appeal to you, sexually or otherwise? All I’m interested in doing is whipping your ass the way your sad sack of an excuse man should be doing. Keep running off at the mouth so I have more reasons to go upside your head. Rhetorically of course.

    D: those are two weapons in your arsenal that are ineffectual. others are “ooo you mean about black i be mean about jews” and, most hilariously, appealing to the opinions of “the group” as support. do a little research into intj’s and see how concerned we are about going along to get along and establishing good will.

    O: I’ll be more than happy to look into the INTJ groups as soon as you’ve demonstrated that you’ve watched The Wire. Fair enough?

    D: in fact, all i see you doing is resorting to female shaming tactics like social shaming and personal insults.

    O: That’s because they work, I didn’t create the rules. And uh, no, its what I do to YOU-please note my interactions w/other females of the forum. I single you out because you think you can step up front like a Man. Then I have a free hand to rhetorically pistol whip you. Again. And again. And again.

    I will give you this, though, you’re a tough lil Yenta.

    D: now, you know full well jews talk and talk and never shut the fuck up–you honestly think you will get the last word?

    O: Hope springs eternal…

    D: on a positive note you have duly impressed the hebephrenic tree ogre, so kudos there

    O: Thanks-I think?

    O

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  534. Nicole,
    What interests me about Apeman’s “argument”, if you can call it that, is his assertion that Black Men are in someway pulling down White female attractiveness standards. Putting aside the fact that Black Men makeup a small percentage of the American population, if what he’s saying has any truth to it, its a very bad sign of things to come for guys like him, by that I mean White guys in general. Because that means they have very little control over their own Women. And hence all the hatin’, in various forms, including “humor”.

    Wow.

    O

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  535. Hi Jack,

    Replies below:

    J: Obsidian generally has some decent things to say, but overstates IMO the success black men have with women and underrates the success white men have. There are white men who can never get any, but it doesn’t seem like anything close to a majority. Similarly, I know that some blacks aren’t getting any either.

    O: Of course. But it doesn’t diminish my point, which is easily confirmed: Black guys get laid more than do White guys, on average. That’s simply a fact, proofed by NIH, CDC, etc, et al.

    The reasons why I like to point that out is because I really want to test out the HBD theories many folk here and elsewhere seem to cling to. They believe in it when it comes to presenting Blacks in a bad light, but either go silent or whine and moan when I bring out probable HBD-related facts like this. I contend tht HBD has something to do w/why the average Black guy has more Game than does the average White guy. Yet this isn’t investigated. Why? Because it doesn’t fit the “woe is me” script that many HBDers indluge in.

    So, as I’ve said several times before, it’s time another perspective to the HBD argument be brought to bear. Which is coming soon.

    O

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  536. Black Men are in someway pulling down White female attractiveness standards

    There is something to this argument, though I am not sure of how important it is in the broad scheme of things. Recently my always-astute o m e g a frined Ace and I drove through a very white trash + balck Sec.8 area of Maryland. More white trash than black, but the black was not, shall we say, Obsidian quality. I’m talking slack-jawed semi-animals and 8 year old turds giving me the middle finger as I drove past them.

    Anyway, I noticed the staggering ubiquity of grossly obese white women. At least the non-crackwhore ones, who naturally were skinny.

    I asked Ace – “dude, when we were in high school (1980s) there was nowhere near the number of fatties among the lower strata. What happened?”

    He said “it’s simple laziness. Back then, white trash women still had to meet a minimum standard of looks for white trash guys. But now that I.R. is no longer a taboo among the benighted, the white trash don’t feel the need to put any effort to look good. Because they can just get the blk dck.”

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  537. maurice negged:

    btw, i’m developing a theory: is “Mu’min…” actually Firepower? the writing and humor styles are similar enough to make me wonder…

    a maurician
    man-neg –
    nice…

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  538. White female are really attractive.. Great!

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  539. on September 9, 2009 at 1:57 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obese-dian repeated for the umpteenth time :

    Black guys get laid more than do White guys, on average. That’s simply a fact, proofed by NIH, CDC, etc, et al.

    Because black men will fuck fatties that no other men will touch. How many times do we have to go over this? It is also true that blacks have far higher STD statistics than any other race. Bravo on ‘getting laid so much’.

    Let us use another illustration :

    Person A : Drives a BMW 7-series that has self-driving artificial intelligence, a carbon fiber body, headlights that turn as the car turns, etc.

    Person B : Has 10 jalopies in a Fred Sanford front yard. Half of them do not work, and none of them could sell for more than scrap value.

    Person B proudly announces “I have 10 cars”. Person A simply states “I have one car”.

    But who is better off? Does quality matter or quantity?

    Obese-dian knows this is true. What he cannot accept is that despite all his armchair writings about Game, he is still only fucking women for whom there is little non-black competition to begin with. So to the extent that he knows Game, he isn’t really using it to get women who would rate a 6 or higher.

    Why not use Game to get the 30 black women in America who are 9s and 10s. There are 30 of them.

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  540. Apeman,
    Once again, your shifting the goalposts. It doesn’t matter your examples(if one wants to call them such) because it ain’t about “quality vs quantity” WHEN YOU’RE NOT GETTING ANY PUSSY AT ALL. And THAT’S where the vast majority of Men are at this point. That’s why I refuse to even entertain this “quality vs quantity” argument with you or anyone else, because it doesn’t address the core issue, which is helping guys get laid, PERIOD.

    So, let’s do it this way:

    I’m interested in helping guys get the tools and information necessary in order to get laid. I couldn’t care less as to what Woman the guy chooses to get laid with-I’m not in bed with him, that’s his business. I only care that he gets the information that allows him to choose a Woman to have sex, and, if he chooses it, more, with her.

    Now…

    What is your goal?

    The Obsidian

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  541. PA,
    The problem I have wth your anecdote is that it presupposes that ALL Black Men do that which you described, in his case, choose obese White Women as mates. Sure, some do, but a lot don’t-what about Seal and Heidi Klum? Tiger Woods and his Swedish wife? Ferdinand Bardamu recently blogged about a NY state pol, Otis Jennings, a Black Republican. His wife is very White and very svelte from what I gather of her photo. The bottomline here is that Whites seem to engage in a kind of default reductionism when it comes to Blacks. For whatever reason, they can’t make distinctions and think in more fluid terms.

    Bottomline is that all Blacks are living on Section 8-I never did. And this is true for millions of Black folk. So we do you or Apeman, or OneSTDV talk as though that’s the only kind of Black folk out there? What is up with that?

    Anyway, going back to the main point-if indeed Black Men have that much pull and influence on White Women, you White guys are in big trouble. Seems to me y’all got some serious work to do.

    Which, among other things, means seriously upping your Game.

    The Obsidian

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  542. on September 9, 2009 at 9:23 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obese-dian wrote :

    because it ain’t about “quality vs quantity” WHEN YOU’RE NOT GETTING ANY PUSSY AT ALL.

    So according to you, *any* pussy, even if it is with a 1, is always better than celibacy?

    Yes or no.

    I (and other non-black men) say no. There is a level below which a woman is not worth fucking. For me it is 6. For others, it may be 4. But for you and other black dudes, there is no lower limit. Chris Rock, among others, describes this in detail.

    And hence this is the key difference between black men and non-black men. You could learn something if you stepped out of the black worldview (which you remarkably did when voting, so why can’t you do it here?).

    What is your goal?

    A tantalizing combination of humor and BS obliteration.

    So we do you or Apeman, or OneSTDV talk as though that’s the only kind of Black folk out there?

    It is the majority of black men. More than 70%. Plus, they fuck 3 fatties at once, and hence keep 3 women from improving their appearance. Thus, black men cause disproportionate damage to female aesthetics. In other words, each black man keeps three women (black plus white) ugly. In America, 12% of all men are black, but they keep 36% of women fat and ugly.

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  543. MSFW, you’re free to blame Black men for White women getting fat, but if that is so, then it means that somehow White men have lost their vote in female aesthetics.

    I don’t think they have, since the diet industry, misguided as most of it is, is booming despite the recession.

    We are definitely not to blame for the proliferation of cow like eating habits, industrialized phood, or the settling that you feel cornered into because of them. The only thing Black men have to do with any of this is that they’re a convenient excuse. If native Hawaiians, who actually did favor fat women in the 300 lbs. range were 8% of the U.S. population, then it would have been their culture that would be the masses’ excuse and your scapegoat.

    Black men aren’t keeping anybody from improving their appearance. Most Black people are assimilated to generic White culture, and just a woman’s aesthetic quality similarly. They, just like White guys, just take what’s as close to their idea of ideal, as they can afford. You don’t see almost any Black men above a certain income level dating anybody fat, regardless of color.

    The few times you do see them with anyone chubby is when they don’t replace their wives for committing the sin of being over 35. Most of the 36% of women you’re referencing are *old*. A growing number of them are children who aren’t even old enough to date, but are being fed phood by their lazy ignorant parents.

    The U.S. population is aging, and despite the cougar mythology, most of us women stop giving too much of a crap what guys we’re not shagging think of our waistlines around menopause. We eat, get fat, spend 30 years doing what we want to do, and then we die.

    How can you be blaming Black men for there being more old fat ladies?

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  544. then it means that somehow White men have lost their vote in female aesthetics

    I think the logic is that some (lower class) white women stopped trying to look decent for (lower class) white men when they saw takers among black men who don’t require the minimum sandard of appearance whites do.

    It’s called going with the lowest bidder.

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  545. on September 9, 2009 at 10:25 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I think the logic is that some (lower class) white women stopped trying to look decent for (lower class) white men when they saw takers among black men who don’t require the minimum sandard of appearance whites do

    That’s right. Plus, the capacity for black men to service 3 fatties at once means that the 12% of men who are black can keep 36% of the women ugly. Asymmetrical uglification, this is.

    Nicole,

    The food industry is certainly to blame on one end, to the extent that the tobacco industry is to blame for smoking. But personal incentives/responsibility are a factor here too. The cost for a white woman being obese is far less in a country where black men exist, than in, say, Canada, where the food items are similar.

    Through Obsidian’s own admissions, black men believe that any pussy, no matter how ugly, is preferable to no pussy, for a black man. Other men have floors below which they will not go. Black men effectively gave obese white women a reason to descend into blubbery bliss.

    Most Black people are assimilated to generic White culture, and just a woman’s aesthetic quality similarly.

    Well, no. There have been polls here that show otherwise. Plus, Chris Rock described the fat fetish many black men have in great detail.

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  546. PA, so basically the White male middle class no longer gets to happily go slumming for disposable lower class girls to pump and dump.

    If you were poor, and middle and upper class women wouldn’t date poor men, you’d either have to take what you could get or go without. Are you proposing that fat White women go without just because they can’t get you?

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  547. Are you proposing that fat White women go without just because they can’t get you

    Something like 99% of fat white women under 40 are fat due to their gluttony and sloth. Absent low bidders, they wouldn’t be fat in the first place, and my world would be a more beautiful one.

    I still remember back in the 80s the lower/working class girls and 20-somethng women were hot. Hardly ever so now. Back then prole white culture in this region was very proud, shall we say; sex with blacks was something rich Jewish girls from Communist homes did.

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  548. MSFW, we get it. You think fat women are ugly. Now, should these fat ugly women remain celibate to boost your ego, or should they take what they can get?

    Black men are not to blame for women, especially poor uneducated women, getting fat. Industrialized phood and lack of real information on how to get real food on their budget within their work schedule is to blame for that. So they’re not going to stop being fat no matter what Black men do.

    IMO, your problem is that you’re being pushed out of the market by more prolific breeders because you don’t want to adapt or just suck it up and understand that the kind of women you like are becoming more scarce because they’re less willing to settle for men within the lower middle and low income range.

    In a culture where women get replaced when they “hit the wall” there’s a higher turnover, and more of a market for slim women among men who would have, in the past, been off the marriage market.

    Black men aren’t to blame for the divorce rate either.

    Something else you should know though, is that Hispanic men tend to be even more tolerant of overweightness, to a point, than Black men, and they’re an even bigger minority. If you’re looking for someone to blame, Hispanic men have a higher influence on the aesthetic than Black men.

    …and they’ve effectively pushed out Black men in some predominantly Black areas. If Black men can be basically shut out in less than one generation, I don’t think they have as much influence in this regard as you think.

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  549. on September 9, 2009 at 11:06 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Something like 99% of fat white women under 40 are fat due to their gluttony and sloth. Absent low bidders, they wouldn’t be fat in the first place, and my world would be a more beautiful one.

    100% right yet again. It is very analogous to increasing education levels in a society, or reducing crime in a society, or increasing life expectancy in a society.

    IMO, your problem is that you’re being pushed out of the market by more prolific breeders because you don’t want to adapt

    I didn’t know that you were a foot soldier of the ‘Fat Acceptance’ movement. Accepting a lower standard is not ‘adaptation’. It is defeat. As any white reader here will agree.

    Plus, as someone with a technical background (I think), surely you recognize that if the Sexbots that Roissy talks about become a reality even at a very high selling price, women below a certain level of looks will see their market value drop overnight, even among men who cannot afford the sexbot (due to the very top women being pushed down, thus the level below that being pushed still lower, etc.). It will be interesting to see what women do then.

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  550. Apeman,
    Replies below:

    Obese-dian wrote :
    because it ain’t about “quality vs quantity” WHEN YOU’RE NOT GETTING ANY PUSSY AT ALL.

    A: So according to you, *any* pussy, even if it is with a 1, is always better than celibacy?

    Yes or no.

    O: I would say that depends on the Man in question; for some Men, celibacy is preferable to banging a Woman he considers unacceptable, for another Man it beats a blank. For me personally, I’ve never given the question much thought because I was usually able to get the kinds of Women I wanted without much trouble.
    My point, which I was making above, is that the “quality vs quantity” argument you’re advancing is a red herring, because it doesn’t deal with the simple fact that most Men don’t get laid period. It wastes time and is a distraction to the major issue, that if instructing guys in how to get laid. I’m interested in doing this, you’re interested in trolling and telling jokes. Compare and contrast.

    A: I (and other non-black men) say no. There is a level below which a woman is not worth fucking. For me it is 6. For others, it may be 4. But for you and other black dudes, there is no lower limit. Chris Rock, among others, describes this in detail.

    O: You mean the same Chris Rock, a Black Man, who isn’t and has never, been with a “Norbit” stype Black Woman? That Chris Rock?

    A: And hence this is the key difference between black men and non-black men. You could learn something if you stepped out of the black worldview (which you remarkably did when voting, so why can’t you do it here?).

    O: Again, I note the example of Rock you cite above. He’s Black, yet his mate selection choices clearly are at variance with what you claim is a Black Male norm. Perhaps the one needing to learn something is you. Please explain?

    A: A tantalizing combination of humor and BS obliteration.

    O: Please don’t go and believe your own hype. Its not a pretty sight.

    A: It is the majority of black men. More than 70%. Plus, they fuck 3 fatties at once, and hence keep 3 women from improving their appearance. Thus, black men cause disproportionate damage to female aesthetics. In other words, each black man keeps three women (black plus white) ugly. In America, 12% of all men are black, but they keep 36% of women fat and ugly.

    O: Which, according to your theory, leaves at least 64% of available Women-more than enough if you have superior Game. So, assuming that is the case for you, what advice would you give to those here who share your same aesthetic tastes when it comes to Women?

    Your response?

    The Obsidian

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  551. Apeman, Part Two:

    “I think the logic is that some (lower class) white women stopped trying to look decent for (lower class) white men when they saw takers among black men who don’t require the minimum sandard of appearance whites do”

    A: That’s right. Plus, the capacity for black men to service 3 fatties at once means that the 12% of men who are black can keep 36% of the women ugly. Asymmetrical uglification, this is.

    O: More like “ass-backward math”, LOL! Apeman’s math is all messed up here, but even if he was correct, it still leaves a clear majority of acceptable Women for him and his ilk to Game. The question then has to be, what good advice is he giving to other Men so they might be successful among this “acceptable cohort”?

    A: The food industry is certainly to blame on one end, to the extent that the tobacco industry is to blame for smoking. But personal incentives/responsibility are a factor here too. The cost for a white woman being obese is far less in a country where black men exist, than in, say, Canada, where the food items are similar.

    O: Then the question has to be, why don’t American White Men move to Canada?

    A: Through Obsidian’s own admissions, black men believe that any pussy, no matter how ugly, is preferable to no pussy, for a black man. Other men have floors below which they will not go. Black men effectively gave obese white women a reason to descend into blubbery bliss.

    O: Apeman is a bold faced liar. I have never said this.

    “Most Black people are assimilated to generic White culture, and just a woman’s aesthetic quality similarly.”

    A: Well, no. There have been polls here that show otherwise. Plus, Chris Rock described the fat fetish many black men have in great detail.

    O: Yet Chris Rock, clearly a Black Man by any standard, has never been seen with such Women-neither has Seal, Taye Diggs, Wesley Snipes, etc et al. Apeman, could you please explain?

    The Obsidian

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  552. MSFW says, “I didn’t know that you were a foot soldier of the ‘Fat Acceptance’ movement.”

    Technically I am. I’m in the “fitness at every size” movement. That’s the branch in which people don’t use being fat, getting told to put down the fork 20 years ago by their mom, or hormonal problems as excuses for not hitting the gym, the pavement, or whatever.

    So if I have a good picture of both sides of the weight issue that matter: athletic and medical. The concerns of little girlymen who are scared of 140 lbs. women don’t strike me as particularly important in the grand scheme of things. I’m worried about stuff like people, regardless of how they look, carrying extra fat on their liver, and vitamin deficiencies that lead to health problems, obesity among them.

    “Accepting a lower standard is not ‘adaptation’. It is defeat. As any white reader here will agree.”

    Nobody is asking you to accept a lower standard. I wouldn’t like anyone to tell me I should settle for unintelligent girlymen. It’s just that you, like me, must understand that often the price of higher standards than what’s normally available, is being alone.

    If you don’t want to be alone, then you, like I did, will have to work on your game in order to get the women who are up to your standards. Your standards, and my standards, aren’t the world’s obligation to meet. We have to go for what’s good for us, FTW.

    “Plus, as someone with a technical background (I think), surely you recognize that if the Sexbots that Roissy talks about become a reality even at a very high selling price, women below a certain level of looks will see their market value drop overnight, even among men who cannot afford the sexbot (due to the very top women being pushed down, thus the level below that being pushed still lower, etc.). It will be interesting to see what women do then.”

    Women below the American media conformity looks threshold have already seen their market value drop. We’re already being picked on and shut out by middle class and above White men to a large degree. This is why non Whites are outbreeding you. You let the television tell you what should make your dicks hard, while other men still have their own culture. You’ve been rendered generic, and now a woman’s weight is more important to you than her sexual history.

    You’re, as a group, intolerant of fat or whatever kind of “ugliness” is unfashionable, but overly tolerant of sluttery. Men from non generic cultures are more tolerant of “ugliness” and less or totally intolerant of sluttery.

    None of this is Black men’s fault. You did this to yourselves.

    You as an individual must then decide whether you want to follow the crowd or stand on your own. Just for goodness sake butch up to the reality that standing on your own often means standing on your own.

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  553. L’Emmerdeur

    @ Firepower

    It’s how you behave when sporting said “fag bag”. If you are a large, manly sort with intimidation issues (that’s me), you need something to soften you up a touch.

    The girls
    must love
    you

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  554. Basically, modern American women have the mental furniture of $20 prostitutes without any of the insights a life like that might bring. – Lupo

    Thanks for the quote.

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  555. If you have style, you can wear whatever you want. Your style comes from your health, and your presence. If you don’t have these things, following the forms for what to wear is a good idea, you’ll not stand out.

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  556. Of course, following the forms and not standing out, even if you do have style, is ok too, that’s its own statement.

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  557. Of course Don Draper crosses his legs all the time. I think he falls into the category of “so alpha you can do whatever you want.”

    What do I do about laughing at my own jokes? I’m having trouble with that one. I think they’re funny. Sometimes they’re so deadpan that I need something to indicate it’s a joke. Help.

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  558. For a bunch of “alpha male” pick up artists, you sure do sound like a bunch of bitchy little girls!

    LAMBDA MEN would be more accurate!

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  559. […] watch them all the way up until they entered a nearby building. While the young lady didn’t recoil in disgust, not once did I see her reciprocate her beta boyfriend’s lovey-dovey […]

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  560. […] in Vancouver to indulge their holding-hands-and-singing-kumbaya fantasy of global cooperation, and betas everywhere are casting their lots with flowers, chocolates and fancy dinners to get women – […]

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