Update: A Test Of Your Negs

Zeets just emailed me a suggestion for how to neg the group of four girls from this post.

Act like you’re going to be a nice guy and pretend to take a normal pic. Step back and zoom all the way in on their tits! Show them like it’s a work of art you’re so proud of. “I think I really captured everyone’s personality in this photo.” They’ll be punching you in the arm with their wet labia!

FTW. This is even better than pretending to run away with their camera.





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  1. They’ll be punching you in the arm with their wet labia!

    Overrated.

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  2. on August 3, 2009 at 11:16 pm Willard Libby

    Why not tell the dogs to get out of the way so you can take a pic of the dark haired girl behind Blondie’s head.

    When are you going to admit that these girls are nothing special?

    Be a man and dismiss their request to be photographed.

    I’d say – “I’m not going to take your pictures. I don’t want to break the camera.”

    [editor: rosie o’donnell is a 1. are you really prepared to claim that these girls rank the same as rosie odonnell? or are you going to admit that you’re a nonsensical dork with play-time nerdo pseudostandards all out of whack with reality?]

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  3. willard:

    “Be a man and dismiss their request to be photographed.”

    i think you’re afraid of girls.

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  4. Have you seen the latest Modern Love? Flip the genders and it’s almost a textbook “how to handle an attempted breakup” PUA after-action report (filtered through a fine mist of bullshit as per NYT guidelines).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/fashion/02love.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

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  5. Oh yeah, that’s going to make all the women drool over you.

    One thing I have to say about game… why not do stuff that will get you RESULTS? 🙂 I mean sure you can amuse yourself for a couple minutes but obviously with these girls you dont need NEGS in the first place. It’s just sabotaging yourself.

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  6. on August 4, 2009 at 12:11 am Willard Libby

    [editor: rosie o’donnell is a 1.

    No, Rosie O’Donnell is NOT a 1. She is simply unrankable. I refuse to even bother ranking some women.

    Women like Ghost of Nicole/Ironwych will simply not be ranked by me. They are not 1 or zero.

    They are off the charts.

    are you really prepared to claim that these girls rank the same as rosie odonnell?

    They all rank above her but there is simply nothing impressive about any of them. They are……………nothing.

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  7. Tits ? Aim lower. “Wow – I see I’ve already caused a wet spot.”

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  8. That’s actually brilliant.

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  9. on August 4, 2009 at 12:26 am Cannon's Canon

    I plan on doing this unconditionally from now on… hopefully into my 60s for that matter.

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  10. I’m very impressed with this idea.

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  11. haha… or perhaps picking the HB and zooming in on only her tits?

    great answer btw. will certainly use this

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  12. Oooh how about zooming in an a “not-so-HB”‘s NOSE??? And then saying OOH YOU GOT A BIG NOSE. What a neg! That’ll get you far!

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  13. on August 4, 2009 at 1:23 am masterblaster

    jus take the camera and walk out all nonchalant

    serves them right for asking for free things

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  14. lol wow. Zeets is a smart man. So smart and simple but never even thought of it.

    Field testing the next opportunity, no doubt

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  15. This is a brilliant idea but my personality sort of fits more with giving them back the camera without mentioning that you eff’d up the pic and turn away to act as if nothing has happened.

    Being proud of the pic seems a bit too, I dunno, caring.

    The former option also allows the girls to re-engage you to ask you for a do-over.

    Wash, Rince, Repeat this maneuver as many times as necessary until girls get genuinely upset. Good phrases to mutter are ‘I’m an excellent photographer’ , ‘pictures suck, can I paint you’, and/or ‘__ girl isn’t going to want to be tagged in this one’ where __ is your target.

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  16. I am definitely using this first chance I get. The only problem will be with the zoom can only get one pair of tits, go for the target’s tits?

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  17. “The only problem will be with the zoom can only get one pair of tits, go for the target’s tits?”

    Generally speaking, I’d say get the nicest tits regardless of target. That will be guaranteed to start a thinly veiled catfight and paint you as a sexist pig AKA alpha. Even hotter girls are jealous of their uglier girlfriends’ tits.

    I agree about just handing them the camera nonchalantly and walking away. Making a big deal about it is just juvenile.

    And can you posers please stop e-dissing these chicks? Maybe you live on The Planet of the Tens but anyone who wouldn’t stick his dick into these girls is a fag. Except, I guess, the Asian one. But they’re all as bland as rice and tofu.

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  18. Will fucking Roissy change the topic already and forget what all these nobodies are saying. Seriously only losers and betas care about what others think. This neg BS is as interesting as my pubes on my left nut. This is so fucking annoying everyone has a “special” opinion about the group of four chicks.. they are cute, ugly, not worth it.. blah blah blah. If you can do better make your own blog and post some then you key board jockey.

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  19. on August 4, 2009 at 4:56 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    god hahahaha. This is great, often times I find you can judge the neg by how much it makes YOU laugh while performing it, I’d be cracking up upon seeing their reactions, and I think they’d invariably be doing the same after a while.

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  20. on August 4, 2009 at 5:01 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “This is a brilliant idea but my personality sort of fits more with giving them back the camera without mentioning that you eff’d up the pic and turn away to act as if nothing has happened.”

    I don’t like this, I think with a halfsmile and one raised eyebrow as you hand the camera back and say “I think I really captured everyone’s personality very well”, or something similar to pretend you’re proud of the photo you just took, is what makes this neg so funny. If you just hand it back and don’t mention anything, it just comes across as pervy and weird, not playful, whimsical, and hilarious.

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  21. “editor: rosie o’donnell is a 1.”

    Female question here. If we’re ranking female beauty on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being the ugliest, and 10 being the most beautiful/hottest, how can a woman with no obvious deformities, who isn’t extremely old be a 1?

    I think maybe I’ve been thinking about the scale differently than it’s being used. Is 1 the actual physically ugliest, or does the scale start at drunk sex starved infantry soldier on his way to possible death shaggable?

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  22. Willard says, “No, Rosie O’Donnell is NOT a 1. She is simply unrankable. I refuse to even bother ranking some women.

    Women like Ghost of Nicole/Ironwych will simply not be ranked by me. They are not 1 or zero.

    They are off the charts.”

    Come on…this is a cop out.

    I’m not white knighting for Roissy either. I’m just trying to get some clarification. This is more for my readers than for myself.

    If 1 isn’t the ugliest, then I’ve got some rewriting to do, because the scale is actually perhaps -10 to 10, and not 1-10. So that would make what I was thinking was a 5 (average looking, not particularly beautiful but without any serious evo-psych dealbreaker traits) a 1, maybe 2. A facially deformed, obese wall victim, rather than being a 1 would be a -10.

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  23. on August 4, 2009 at 6:16 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    But they’re all as bland as rice and tofu

    There’s nothing like a bowl of plain white rice.
    Seriously.
    So good.

    @ Willard

    No, Rosie O’Donnell is NOT a 1. She is simply unrankable. I refuse to even bother ranking some women.

    Women like Ghost of Nicole/Ironwych will simply not be ranked by me. They are not 1 or zero.

    They are off the charts.

    Willard, your deliberate misuse of a criterion that is at least approximately understood by EVERYONE ELSE is not the mark of genius. It’s the mark of obstreperous idiocy.

    On the 0-10 (or 1-10) scale, as understood by EVERYONE ELSE IN THE FUCKING WORLD, 0 (or 1) is a number that applies to the least desirable women around. And the numbers go up from there.

    Your insistence not only that everyone else is wrong, but also that the scale works in your own idiosyncratic way, despite solid conventions to the contrary, is convincing everyone here that you’re a moron. Please, for your own sake, stop it.

    I mean, look, dude, I HATE the fact that the clock goes 11AM, 12PM, 1PM. I think that this is stupid, and that the clock should change from AM to PM when the number resets from 12 to 1. That would just make so much more sense to me.
    If I were Willard Libby, I would just go around saying “NO, you’re ALL wrong. It’s actually 12AM and then 1PM.”
    And I would feel just so superior to everyone else.

    But I’m not.
    So I don’t.

    For what it’s worth, I don’t find these chicks fuckable either, except maybe the blonde. But I’m not going to try to destroy every numerical convention in town – and my ability to communicate effectively, along with them – in order to make this point.

    The effectiveness of your message lies in how it’s understood, not in how it’s stated. Learn this.

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  24. For everyone argue over 1s. Any thing that is supposed to be a woman but doesn’t seem like a woman is a 1 or 2 or wtf.

    Noone really gives a shit about rating fugly women because they all join together. Its like trying to find the most attractive pig; in the end they are all pigs so who gives a shit.

    Rosie O’Donnell is so fucking ugly that if I saw her on the street and didn’t know who she was I wouldn’t register her as a woman. She is too far removed from my idea of a what a woman is (i.e something fuckable).

    4 is about the fuckability level with lots of alcohol and drugs. Thats the moment where you wake up next morning hating on yourself and trying to sneak out without waking her. May also be call for chewing your own arm off. So for anything below 4 who gives a shit.

    Now quit derailing this thread and let us savour this amazingly simple neg in all its austere glory.

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  25. For everyone argue over 1s. Any thing that is supposed to be a woman but doesn’t seem like a woman is a 1 or 2 or wtf.

    Noone really gives a shit about rating fugly women because they all join together. Its like trying to find the most attractive pig; in the end they are all pigs so who gives a shit.

    Rosie O’Donnell is so fucking ugly that if I saw her on the street and didn’t know who she was I wouldn’t register her as a woman. She is too far removed from my idea of a what a woman is (i.e something fuckable).

    4 is about the fuckability level with lots of alcohol and drugs. Thats the moment where you wake up next morning hating on yourself and trying to sneak out without waking her. May also be call for chewing your own arm off. So for anything below 4 who gives a shit.

    Now quit derailing this thread and let us savour this amazingly simple neg in all its austere glory.

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  26. Also, Ghost of Nicole, before you undoubtedly shit up the screen with another reply let me explain the purpose of guys ranking chicks.

    We rate them on how attractive they are so we can share info:

    I.E

    Bill: I banged a 9 the other night.
    Tom: Holy fucking shit dud. Awesome job.
    Harry: High Five man.

    Murray: Did you see that warthog John went home with?
    Tim: No. What was she like.
    Murray: Butt fugly. A real 4.
    Tim: How fucken trashed was he?
    Murray: Well, he threw up twice and kept on with the tequila.

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  27. So, to continue because I posted before I was finished.

    Since we are not going to be going anywhere near banging something below a 4 we don’t give a rats arse about ranking them.

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  28. on August 4, 2009 at 6:42 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Since we are not going to be going anywhere near banging something below a 4 we don’t give a rats arse about ranking them.

    If “fuck or no fuck” is the only relevant criterion, then it’s also pointless to differentiate among 10’s, 9’s, 8’s, and possibly 7’s depending on how selective you are.

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  29. As public service and a mater of urgent necessity, here is the 1-10 scale. It ranks healthy adult women of childbearing age. In other words, it is not applied to children, old women, or women with obvious and unusual deformities.

    1 – actively repulsive
    2 – ugly
    3 – unattractive
    4 – unpleasant but tolerable
    5 – indifferent
    6 – approaching cute
    7 – cute with flashes of pretty
    8 – consistently pretty
    9 – hot
    10 – beautiful

    By Willie’s standards the four photo girls are 5s. By David Alexander’s they are 4s.

    By my standards they are 7 for Red Shirt, 8.5 for Blondie, 5.5 for Asain Chick, and 8 for Romanian Pixie.

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  30. on August 4, 2009 at 8:00 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    PA, good articulation of The Scale.

    Although, as a scientist, I’m still opposed on principle to a scale whose bottom point is not 0.
    The median of the current scale is 5.5.
    Yuck.
    And 0 is just so much more powerful as a descriptor than 1.
    0 is the ultimate statement of worthlessness and irrelevance, while 1 is just a shitty ranking.

    I still can’t conceive of ranking the right-hand girl above a 5 as anything other than a large-scale practical joke/mindfuck. Like one of those Asch experiments, in which enough “authorities” parrot a “fact” that is obviously contradictory to observed reality, just to see whether people are sheep enough to play along.

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  31. But you can’t see the tits of the one who looks like the most fun in the sack.

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  32. PA, thank you for the clarification. I asked because most of my readers on G4G are in the mainstream 1-6 range.

    By some miracle, we get laid, boyfriends, and married quite often, and it serves us well to at least be aware of what the masses think of us. Helps to thwart feminist recruiters.

    Since feminists are part of the system that has made this scale the primary factor in western male selection, we have to be prepared to sweat it out until it either implodes or shifts. It seems to be shifting, as more of you tire of being shit on to be the sloppy 100th of a behaviorally substandard harpy wherever she stands on the range.

    …but as a group, you don’t seem to be quite there yet. So for the time being, we’re needing to seek mates among the outliers.

    So it might not matter to most of you, but it matters to me/us.

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  33. what’s with you guys not being able to ignore a damn troll. Trolls love the attention. You give it to them. Any lame outrageous statement in this forum will produce 100 comments by all you guys wanting to convince him.

    FUCK. The neg on the post is brilliant. One of the most interesting game bits ever posted here. And you guys feeding the troll.

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  34. That’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.

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  35. on August 4, 2009 at 9:22 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    FUCK. The neg on the post is brilliant. One of the most interesting game bits ever posted here. And you guys feeding the troll.

    Yes. The neg is absolutely brilliant.

    So brilliant, in fact, that there is little to add.

    Also, the neg is at the top of the page. Right under the headline. I think it’s safe to assume that everyone who should see it has seen it.

    spandrell, if you want a comment section to consist of a chorus of echoes of “Yes! Great! Cosign!”, you might want to visit a feminist website instead.

    If you want a discussion that’s not an echo chamber, then how about adding something yourself, instead of just bitching.

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  36. Nicole, your consistent theme is that visual attractiveness in a woman, which men often describe in terms of youthful and childlike appearance, is a kind of limited or “false consciusness” of men programmed by a consummerist society. “Bennigans sex” I think is what you call it.

    To a degree, you have a point. Unsexy qualities like strength of character, homemeking competence, loyalty, thrift, and stalwartness, are extremely important in a wife. My life would be miserable if my wife did not possess all of them.

    But your blind spot is your dismissal of the importance of the abovementioned youthfulness and childlike appearance.

    You forget that men evolved to marry girls who are 13-15 years old. As blushing brides, they were cute and pretty, not prodigious women-of-substance. Those girls’ youthful — Bennigans — qualities gave their grooms the wood to procreate much & procreate quick, before these girls turned into 25-year-old esteemed helpmeets.

    Today we don’t marry 12-15 year olds, but our ancient attraction buttons seek out the same look in the 25 year old women we pick up.

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  37. PA,
    W/all due respect, I don’t think you are in anymore of a position to speak of what *all* Men like than I am-and I can tell you, I am not nor have ever been, attracted to a “childlike” Woman. Even when I was younger, in highschool, the girls my age were a turnoff for the most part.

    I have found that invariably, White Males tend to get all hot and bothered by “childlike” Women; my own guess is because this is due to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to visibly age relative to Black Women. While I certainly do know Black Men who go gaa gaa for the Young Stuff, they are nowhere near as many as White Men. Personally, I find it repugnant.

    Nicole makes a powerful point that so many here simply cannot allow into their view-that Women of all different types still manage to get laid, have babies, even get married. That you or I wouldn’t do em if they were the last Woman in the Milky Way is wholly and completely irrelevant. The fact remains that such Women can and do exist, and it does no good to continue to act like kids w/our eyes shut and our hands clapped over our ears about. Grow up, Man up, and move on. Such is life.

    O

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  38. Obsidian, the only one getting “hot and bothered” here is you. My response to Nicole was as thoughtful and polite as Nicole’s comment to me was. You, on the other hand, are flailing. Your smooth enamel is cracked. And dude, I laugh my ass off when you tell me to grow up.

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  39. Its hilarious!

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  40. PA,
    Hmmm. If you really wanna “crack” something, why not tackle my actual point: that White Men go cuckoo for “childlike” Women due in the main to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to age; and that all types of Women have sex, babies and walk down the aisle, all the time, no matter who don’t like it.

    Now, PA, follow the bouncing ball…

    True, or false, and why?

    Focus, PA. Focus.

    O

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  41. I don’t feel like responding to comments that have words like “cukoo” in them. I said all I want to say on this topic since it’s too early to turn this nascent thread into a ‘tard-n-forth.

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  42. Yea, that’s what I thought, PA.

    So, I was saying…

    O

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  43. this discussion has quickly gotten ridiculous. next.

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  44. It’s true that some guys are desperate enough that they will marry unattractive women. And that does happen all the time, no doubt about that — just look around the mall sometime at all the men who are married to completely unattractive women.

    I don’t think that men who are not attracted to such women suffer from a “false consciousness”, though. There is a difference between attractive and unattractive, and it’s discerned by us automatically within a matter of seconds. You can’t “think yourself into being attracted to someone”. It doesn’t work. So, yes, some guys are bottom feeders — I don’t see what’s noteworthy about that, really.

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  45. on August 4, 2009 at 10:23 am Seeking Alpha

    This was actually kind of interesting until Obsidian got all excited and lost the veneer of civility he occasionally keeps up.

    You stated facts, and uncontroversial facts at that, not opinions. You’re doing your best to push PAs buttons, but in a quite clumsy way.

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  46. on August 4, 2009 at 10:26 am Seeking Alpha

    Hah, I missed this part.

    Yea, that’s what I thought, PA.

    This is the part in The Wire where all the little hoodlums in Mr. Pryzbylewski’s class go ‘oooooooooooo’.

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  47. I definitively agree with PA. If they could could, most men would marry sixteen year olds. At 16, women are at their peak. At 30, for most it’s game over.

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  48. Hello Seeking Alpha,
    Surely you don’t begrudge me a temporary loss of that “veneer” every now and again, right? Afterall…I’m only human.

    But yup, what I said really can’t be refuted. Nor did I say that it was a good or bad thing, beyond my own personal views and preferences. You as much as anyone here knows that I rarely if ever knock or bash a Man for what gets his motor running. Right?

    By the way, I just happen to be watching Season Four of The Wire. Gotta love Synchronicity…

    O

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  49. Gannon,
    Again I would beg to differ. Not all Men find 15 year old girls hot. I know I sure didn’t. And don’t.

    Again: I say this is primarily a White guy thing due to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to age. Not that this is right or wrong, just is.

    At any rate, what you’re talking about goes against the current legal age of consent laws, at least here in PA, as I recall. I think 18 is a happy medium.

    O

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  50. ”””””””’Obsidian
    PA,
    W/all due respect, I don’t think you are in anymore of a position to speak of what *all* Men like than I am-and I can tell you, I am not nor have ever been, attracted to a “childlike” Woman. Even when I was younger, in highschool, the girls my age were a turnoff for the most part.

    I have found that invariably, White Males tend to get all hot and bothered by “childlike” Women; my own guess is because this is due to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to visibly age relative to Black Women. While I certainly do know Black Men who go gaa gaa for the Young Stuff, they are nowhere near as many as White Men. Personally, I find it repugnant.
    ””””””””””’

    That is what I am talking about keep up the good work o

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  51. PA says, “Nicole, your consistent theme is that visual attractiveness in a woman, which men often describe in terms of youthful and childlike appearance, is a kind of limited or “false consciusness” of men programmed by a consummerist society. “Bennigans sex” I think is what you call it.”

    Nah, Bennigan’s sex was specifically about prostitution. It’s college age callgirls, which most guys with a preference for youth (not children, just young women) go for within the $200-$300 range.

    Mutual attraction based sex is a whole other thing. That’s not made to order, and comes with hopefully genuine personality/experience phase perks like not being bitter or used up.

    …and to be really frank, it would make a lot of sense for a newly nubile young lady to seek an older, established male partner before she goes into the pussy mill of college etc.

    They do this in Poland, I’m told. Lots of women, even “elite” class ones, marry young, and are married with kids while studying, and it’s normal.

    That’s owning the fine dining establishment so long as you can keep her from the bitter girls in the pussy mills who can’t stand to see someone happy and settled down.

    …happened with a couple of guys I know. I’m not a fan of extremes, but they could have done better with a little more isolating, and only allowing them to hang out with family and likeminded friends’ wives.

    I have been _forbidden_ to hang out with friends who, by my boyfriend’s definition, are slutty or whores.

    “To a degree, you have a point. Unsexy qualities like strength of character, homemeking competence, loyalty, thrift, and stalwartness, are extremely important in a wife. My life would be miserable if my wife did not possess all of them.”

    Fortunately, one of your plusses is a mainstream minus: small boobs. So it probably won’t be that difficult for you to find someone with the overall qualifications including looks.

    “But your blind spot is your dismissal of the importance of the abovementioned youthfulness and childlike appearance.”

    I don’t dismiss it. It’s not youthfulness or somewhat childlike appearance that is the problem. That is normal and beneficial in a lot of ways within reason.

    The problem is that we’re in a situation wherein girls who are at the prime marrying ages are not prepared for marriage or life as adults. My daughter could meet the love of her life and marry him next week and probably be okay so long as he was good to her. Other girls her age (16) wouldn’t be prepared for this, and are not afraid of their parents or a man as value enforcers. So girls like her doesn’t have who to hang out with unless they live in a compound in Utah or something.

    Then, the icing on the cake is that the women we see being lauded in the media as beautiful are not. They’re just skinny. This is confusing…that a woman who looks 45 at 25 can have some makeup put on her and some camera tricks done, and she’s “hot” and don’t you dare tell the sheeple otherwise.

    Truly hot girls are getting passed over or made to feel insecure about their looks because they don’t have as good makeup artists and roadies as Britney Spears.

    “You forget that men evolved to marry girls who are 13-15 years old. As blushing brides, they were cute and pretty, not prodigious women-of-substance. Those girls’ youthful — Bennigans — qualities gave their grooms the wood to procreate much & procreate quick, before these girls turned into 25-year-old esteemed helpmeets.”

    …but back when that was normal, women had more than a Bennigan’s appearance. They knew how to make potato skins with goat cheese milked that morning, and lubricate the pan with real butter.

    They knew how to dig up a potato, and maybe milk a goat. Hell, they stored their potatoes in dirt so they’d have the pleasure of digging it up again and it’d be fresh.

    So many things have gone for most western women…

    “Today we don’t marry 12-15 year olds, but our ancient attraction buttons seek out the same look in the 25 year old women we pick up.”

    Thing is, you won’t get the same look, and it’s silly to try. That’s 10 years difference from what you’re normally adapted to. So you can either go somewhere you can legally find marriage ready women that age (which might be as close as South Carolina), or adapt to an older selection pool.

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  52. on August 4, 2009 at 10:50 am Seeking Alpha

    Surely you don’t begrudge me a temporary loss of that “veneer” every now and again, right? Afterall…I’m only human.

    Begrudge? Of course not. We all worship at the altar of Lust, Greed, Wrath, and Envy. But if you’re going to ruin a discussion, you’re going to get called for it.

    By the way, I just happen to be watching Season Four of The Wire. Gotta love Synchronicity…

    Me too. That’s what’s on HBO On Demand right now. Gotta wait two weeks for Season 5 to show up now.

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  53. w/ all due respect
    Shit is up to ludicrous funny.

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  54. That’s genius…

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  55. Obsidian,

    ‘Not all Men find 15 year old girls hot. I know I sure didn’t. And don’t.

    Again: I say this is primarily a White guy thing due to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to age. Not that this is right or wrong, just is.’

    I’m going to have to disagree with you on this , simply because you are not making the distinction between AGE and the PHYSICAL MATURITY of the females appearance. Although I do agree that white men tend to find the childish look more attractive than black men, black women tend to develop and mature physically faster than white women. In any hood, there are tons of grown men (20s and older) who are messing with girls ranging from 14-16 not because they like the ‘childish’ look, but because these 14-16 year old black chicks look like grown women

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  56. sorry but i have to disagree . i bet the girls would just think hes a pervert and walk away

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  57. you guys read this yet?

    Philanderer suffers superglued penis:
    Peter Walker guardian.co.uk,
    Tuesday 4 August 2009 history

    Man found himself tied up with penis stuck to his middle with glue after wife and girlfriends’ revenge, US court documents say A wannabe Don Juan was tempted to a motel in Wisconsin by the prospect of a tryst with one of his numerous lovers. But instead of a night of passion, according to court documents, he found himself confronted by four angry women – among them his wife and another girlfriend – and on the receiving end of a revenge attack grisly enough to make any philanderer think again.

    Prosecutors are investigating the convoluted incident that ended with the man tied to a bed with his penis superglued to his stomach, an apparent punishment for his womanising ways. The ambush was said to have been set up by the man’s wife after she found out he had cheated on her with a number of other women.

    According to documents filed with a court in Calumet County, the roots of the alleged assault were laid when 48-year-old Therese Ziemann met the man through the Craigslist website. They began an affair, and Ziemann became sufficiently smitten to pay for his use of a motel room for two months, as well as giving him about $3,000 (£1,800).

    On Wednesday last week, Ziemann met the man’s wife and learned that not only was he married but had a series of other girlfriends from whom he had also extracted money. The following day, she tempted the man to the Lakeview Motel in the village of Stockbridge and suggested he let her tie him up and blindfold him for a massage.

    As soon as he was secured, Ziemann cut off the man’s underwear with scissors and sent text messages to summon the man’s wife, another of his lovers and Ziemann’s sister to assist her.

    According to the court documents, when the other women arrived Ziemann hit the man in the face and attached his penis to his stomach using superglue.

    The women fled – allegedly with the man’s wallet, phone and car – after he started screaming. He managed to chew through one of the bindings and borrowed a telephone from the motel owner to call police.

    Now it’s the women who face punishment. Ziemann, her sister, 43-year-old Michelle Belliveau, the other lover, Wendy Sewell, also 43, and the man’s wife, who is not being named so as to avoid identifying him, have been charged with false imprisonment. Ziemann is also charged with fourth-degree sexual assault.

    Sewell said she regretted her part in the plot. “I am disturbed. I am upset. I am having a hard time handling life, an emotional wreck,” she said. “I am ashamed.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/04/philanderer-has-penis-superglued

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  58. hmm btw are you guys saying that white men would prefer to date teenagers because i prefer to date white guys in their 20s (im 19) but i find they are rather reluctant at first .

    or are you saying black guys would rather date teens?

    how would you guys explain their reluctance at the beginning? although they seem to be pretty into it after a while. 😉
    do you think that they are just acting the way society would dictate? and they just want to make it seem that they don’t when they really do? although i must say it hardly takes any convincing

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  59. Nicole, I don’t disagree with anything you wrote in your long coment in response to mine.

    Obsidian inspired me to come up with my Three Stages of Crumbling Smoothness model.

    Begin by picturing someone real smooth and debonair. Say, like vampires as represented in popular culture. Not the emo Buffy-era vampires made for tweener consumption. I’m talking vampires played by Christopher Lee.

    – Stage 1: enter stage left, smooth and debonair, measured parts gentleman and killer

    – Stage 2: when rattled, shows cracks in his composure by momentarily baring fangs of pure animal menace

    – Stage 3: backed into a corner, pinned by a vial of holy water, crucifix and advancing beam of sunlight, throws off all veneer of smoothness and crumbles to the floor a flailing, weeping, gurgling heap of rags.

    Obsidian is no longer the smooth Mu’Min. He is presently leaping right over Stage 2 as though it were a shark tank, and is curling his legs for a plop-landing in Stage 3.

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  60. on August 4, 2009 at 11:21 am Seeking Alpha

    do you think that they are just acting the way society would dictate? and they just want to make it seem that they don’t when they really do?

    I think that’s it exactly. They’re afraid of what people would think.

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  61. roissy, I think you should make Ryan O’Neal alpha of the month. Hitting on his own daughter at a funeral…that is just too money.

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  62. I’d laugh like hell at the moxie of the man who did this, and, imho, moxie is always good.

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  63. Mandy and Seeking, it’s not just fear of what people would think. It’s fear of the law and also fear of responsibility.

    If a guy wants to start dating a young lady who is that young and an actual lady, he has to be responsible. For girls from backgrounds where this is possible, there is no casual sex. They are passed from the care of their parents to the care of their husband before they’ve had time to be financially independent and actually run their own household. There’s also no “tasting the milk”, so you hope mom hasn’t neglected that part of her education.

    It’s a heavy burden for a guy if he’s not really in love. So that’s what he’s thinking…is he looking for a wife or a shag. If a wife, then he’s got to think about whether or not she’s ready for that.

    If the sentiment is there, but she’s can’t relocate without her education suffering, then he’s got to be willing to wait or compensate for her losses.

    So it’s a big thing…and even then there’s no guarantee that it will work out. In one friend’s case, he helped her through high school, paid for her university, they had kids together along the way, and then at the age of 24, she got a slutty neighbor and started cheating orgy style.

    …and he still has to pay her alimony disguised as child support. The only reason she’s alive is because he doesn’t want his kids to be without a mother.

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  64. Tazzy Bee,
    Actually, we don’t really disagree; I said earlier that I did indeed know Black Men who liked the “childish” look so many White Men seem to crave.

    That said, yes, you’re right, both Black girls and boys tend to physically develop faster than do Whites. So its very common to see “full grown” Black girls of say, 16, looking err bit of 21 or older. And that’s nothing new, that’s always been the case. I can recall vividly like it was yesterday that girls were like that back in highschool.

    That said, I still had a problem with the “young girl mentality” and this goes to something Nicole said earlier about how some guys take appearances over traits and qualities. I’ve never been like that. I don’t care how good a Woman looks to me, if she whacked personalitywise she’s damaged goods and I want nothing to do w/her.

    Anyway, yea, we’re really on the same page. Good lookin’ on the crucial distinction you made.

    O

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  65. PA wrote: “Obsidian is no longer the smooth Mu’Min. He is presently leaping right over Stage 2 as though it were a shark tank, and is curling his legs for a plop-landing in Stage 3.”

    Indeed. A year ago I never thought I’d say this, but the guy is approaching troll status. And I don’t mean the high-quality, makes-you-laugh-out-loud, David Alexander style troll.

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  66. on August 4, 2009 at 12:34 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    STFU Obs. Post this white/black aging crap on any of the other mulitple threads you’ve already hijacked with this topic.

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  67. I find it interesting that PA, of all people, would deign to declare who is “smooth” and who isn’t, when in recent days he’s flipped more than a crazy lady. Search back through the recent threads and see him saying all kinds of totally out of pocket stuff along racial lines…talk about race baiting, all he’d need is a rod.

    If some of you are sensing a bit of agitation from me, you’d be right. In a word, I am sick and tired of having to read utterly ridiculous stuff from grownassed Men. The same Men who many couldn’t get laid if their very lives depended on it. No wonder so many Women would have nothing to do with you.

    You know, at some point, one has to really examine oneself if they really want to make change. Most of you claim to have read The Game but few if any of you have really gotten its core point-IT’S ABOUT YOU, not Black folks, or Brown folks, or Feminism, or Women getting fat, or the Fall of Western Civ, or this, or that, etc. Its. About. You.

    Never ONCE didi read in that book, Style bitching and moaning the way I read so many guys do here. Its really embarassing. And worse, it don’t do a damned thing to make a change in anyone’s lives, let alone yours.

    You know, at first, I thought it was just a “misogyny” thing up in here, and I kinda went alon w/the rationalizations of it. But then it got on Race, something that was actually going on long before I came along, I just started speaking out in opposition to it. And then it was the dumping on “others” who y’all don’t like. Pretty soon it wasn’t about trying to improve yourself at all. Just about lashing out at the world because it didn’t work they way you were led to believe it did.

    I really hate to say this, and it aint nothing personal, but I really do feel sorry for the Women that will come into many of your lives. No one should have to put up with or even be exposed to such sheer bile and vitriol, and outright hatred, from another human being, especially one that claims to be a Man. In so many ways, its hard to see why so many White Women are the way they are.

    Sad.

    The Obsidian

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  68. on August 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm Comment_Whatever

    Ha.

    The only thing I can add is that some girl(the Asian) might try to get you to apologize. It is important to realize that women judge something by other women’s… and your reaction.

    Don’t apologize, don’t get embarrassed, taking the picture was NO BIG DEAL. Repeat after me:
    NO BIG DEAL.
    NO BIG DEAL.
    NO BIG DEAL.

    It’s just a joke, and Miss Asian, you have a sense of humor, right? Right?

    At least that’s what I think.

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  69. Oh I see.

    Roissy is negging me. I am his target!

    He posts a challenge and lots of people respond. I make a very nice submission but he doesn’t even acknowledge it. But he already has built in value with our “group” because he is the author of this blog! And that makes me post even more, to get the validation of both him and the group. I mean I also enjoy making coments, but it’s an interesting dynamic.

    I am flattered that you consider me a 10, Roissy 🙂 Yeah I know I’m not an HB, but negging isn’t only for babes, is it. It works on everyone.

    But in all seriousness, he probably didn’t even mean to do this but negging does work and it can be as subtle as asking a question for everyone and not even acknowledging the answer of the “target” person. Brilliant. Stolen 🙂

    Greg

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  70. ””””””White Woman

    The Obsidian””””””””””’

    Again there it is what you have been doing since beginning. Saying the word white woman. Can’t stop can you.
    It is about you obsid. You have to stop blaming whitey for black people being fucked up. Quite trying to get even with whitey and harrassing whitey and move on with your life. Let the white daddy go.

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  71. Or should I say no one wants to be your white daddy. No one wants you to try and live up to them. Go your own way.

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  72. Gunny, have you been drinking? I’m convinced that your “stream of consciousness” rants are really alcohol-soaked meanderings.

    What the heck are you talking about?

    O

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  73. your trying to find someone anyone to be you savior. Your gonna have to save yourself.

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  74. Trying to figure out how end game is gonna work.

    When ya can’t get away from blacks and there goal is to always be up in your face and making you learn about them.
    What do you suggest be done Obsidian. Do you suggest the bend over and take it method?

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  75. “This is a brilliant idea but my personality sort of fits more with giving them back the camera without mentioning that you eff’d up the pic and turn away to act as if nothing has happened.

    Being proud of the pic seems a bit too, I dunno, caring.

    The former option also allows the girls to re-engage you to ask you for a do-over.”

    They’ll just look you like a weirdo, ask some else. Chances of ‘re-engagement’ – minimal to none.

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  76. Heh, the beauty of this neg is in its AO-like simplicity. It separates the wheat from the chaff quickly. My group of girlfriends (who are fun and laidback) would laugh, admire your cojones and probably let you stick around to further entertain us. Uptight, PC feminist chicks will get offended and take the camera back in a huff, possibly with a lecture about objectifying women. Then you can just laugh and walk away.

    The challenges here are a) not coming across as a creepy pervert and b) sustaining the energy/interest after such a dramatic opening. It’s beautifully simple, but not easy.

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  77. kalli0pe

    My group of girlfriends (who are fun and laidback) would laugh, admire your cojones and probably let you stick around to further entertain us.

    lucky boys.

    i’d have you sing “Sweetest Taboo” in size 2 jeans and see if you could hit that high note

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  78. PA–

    Your version of the scale seems a bit ideosyncratic. It allows more 10s than seems usual in the PUA community or certainly than how Roissy uses 10. It’s not good to not have an ultimate that’s really up there. Hot is usually used to cover the high area of the scale, not just one spot on it.

    My scale (for 18-29yos):

    1 – repulsive
    2 – ugly
    3 – unattractive
    4 – not very attractive; tolerable
    5 – plain; ok
    6 – cute
    7 – pretty
    8 – very pretty; beautiful
    9 – gorgeous
    10 – international class gorgeous

    That puts the middle of the scale between plain and cute, which seems about right to me for 20s girls. Given the amount of chubbiness around, the average american girl these days may actually fall between 4 and 5.

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  79. nice Zeets. thats a timeless classic I use pretty much every time I get asked to take a photo. another option is to take the photo normally, then look it and frown as if it didnt come out right, and say ” not good. lets do one more”. Then zoom in on the cleavage of the girl with the biggest tits. when they look at it, have a boyish grin and say “I personally like the second one better”

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  80. Crazyyyy! I’ve spent my whole life hearing girls complain about creepy guys who talk to their chest not their eyes, and I’ve had my share of pervy guys doing the old lookupdown too. But I can imagine laughing at a guy who takes a picture like described, if he were to do it with a charming smile and confidence. Weird, I guess some guys can get away with some stuff.

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  81. Gunny, nobody here is getting in your face. This is a website with text, and you have the option to be here or not be here, engage people or not engage them.

    HBD and race comes up here because this is one of the few places the blogger allows these subjects to be discussed in the context of dating and mating. If you don’t want to discuss it, you have that option. You also have the option of countering his opinions with your own.

    What you don’t control is how others will perceive him or you. On a site like this, we’re all on equal footing, with the exception of the blogger…and we are all guests, some more welcome than others.

    So lighten up. Really, that could go for both of you. At the point of death, as you admitted yourself, race doesn’t matter. It’s doubtful that if there is such a thing as God, and we retain some of our individuality after death, race doesn’t matter much to Him either. It’s just a distraction with which we pass the time until our inevitable end.

    Until then though, I assure you that I have no interest in getting in anyone’s face or forcing them to learn about my culture. You’ll note that I often purposely avoid such discussions because nobody wants to hear them, and those who do are just looking for some pseudo scientific proof of their superiority due to being born with less melanin.

    So this is for Obsidian, you know what you’re dealing with here. Why bother? Really…it’s not worth the time spent typing about it here.

    There are other topics, even related to HBD, race, culture, and perceptions, that don’t tip so many of people’s holy cows. You know certain people can’t help themselves. Why push their buttons? It’s not going to help them.

    No amount of education turns a bunny into a tiger.

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  82. lovelysexybeauty

    I’ve spent my whole life hearing girls complain about creepy guys who talk to their chest not their eyes, and I’ve had my share of pervy guys doing the old lookupdown too. But I can imagine laughing at a guy who takes a picture like described, if he were to do it with a charming smile and confidence. Weird, I guess some guys can get away with some stuff.

    So has he. He’s flying straight in the face of that broad church feminist complaint in a humorous, teasing way. Getting away with stuff is what negging is all about. It gives him the edge. Playful but real emotional dominance.

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  83. Ghost your not really even part of it except by you color of skin so really I mean what the fuck do you have to say about it?

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  84. Obsidian–

    I have found that invariably, White Males tend to get all hot and bothered by “childlike” Women;

    Another vast overstatement.

    If any race does most it seems to me to be NE Asians but I’d never say “invariably” or anything close to that there either.

    As well you keep trying to isolate white guys. In many racial comparisons it’s s.Saharan Blacks that are the odd ones out, when we’re talking about really populous major races. (e.g. excluding Aboriginies.)

    Lots of young and older teenage white boys lust most after older girls in their young twenties or late teens — who they can very rarely get. (I did at 14 but I was 6’1 and lied about my age in a summer beach community where no one knew me. And I was precocious in a number of ways.)

    What do you think the white guy MILF phenomenon is about?

    (Here it’s shifted to women who are too old to seem ideal but they are also not so infrequently doable for later teen guys.)

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  85. “I have found that invariably, White Males tend to get all hot and bothered by “childlike” Women; my own guess is because this is due to the rapid rate at which White Women tend to visibly age relative to Black Women.”

    @ Obsidian –

    I mean no disrespect, and I’m usually enlightened by your incisive comments here. But I don’t get comments like this. Sometimes you go off on weird tangents about “White Males” that are so derogatory and out of pocket. How is one supposed to respond to that? Diversity exists within so-called “homogenous” groups, sometimes to a greater degree than between groups. You know that as well as anyone. I know plenty of white males and they’re not all “invariably” drawn to childlike women.

    You claim you’re only responding to the race-baiting going on here, but this thread you brought up race before anyone else did, and then proceeded to smear an entire group and demand a response. Some of the blanket statements made about blacks as a group here annoy me, but why turn around and do the same thing when it isn’t warranted?

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  86. oops, doug beat me to it!

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  87. on August 5, 2009 at 1:49 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    God you guys are fucking gay, discuss the neg and how best to engage this set.

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  88. on August 5, 2009 at 10:58 am Catherine Omega Jones

    I have to say, the more I read this blog, the more I realise how terribly good Yorkshiremen already are at this PUA stuff, or so it appears. It’s like they already have natural game. “Negs”, such as “you don’t sweat much for a fat lass” or “get your coat, love, you’ve pulled” just seem to come almost automatically to them. By comparison, a remark such as “you know your nose twitches when you’re excited, no, don’t stop, it’s kinda cute, reminds me of a gerbil I once had,” etc, has an authentic transatlantic New World charm to it – you almost expect the fellow to tip his cowboy hat and call you “Ma’am.”

    [editor: i’m going to use the “get your coat, love, you’ve pulled” line. it says so much in so few words.]

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  89. I’d love to punch anyone who tried this kind of shit with my hard dry fist.

    Some of us don’t fall so easily for the ‘no big deal, where’s your sense of humor’ line. Only thing that fucking matters is what I think about it, bucko. And you’re going to hear allllll about it.

    This site is fueling my resolve to humiliate assholes whenever I overhear them ‘negging’ anyone. I love being a ‘feminist dyke cunt’, god knows where I would redirect my random frustrations otherwise.

    Also, there are a lot of dumbass racists here. Funny how ignorance of so many kinds congregates together.

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  90. I hope you pathetic un-evolved shallow loser don’t actually wonder why you have to resort to tricks in order to make time with women. It’s a good thing that women are better educated, better salaried and able to provide almost everything we need for ourselves. If you can find a girl stoopid enough to hook up with you poseurs, god bless! Those of us with standards, however, have adapted to your shortcomings and are able to pursue and obtain men worth our time. We know about your books, your blogs and your webinars that instruct you on how to acquire us to accessorize your sad lives. It’s actually funny to watch you use your “negging” and “push-pull” strategy, just so we can add it to the list of things that FAIL.

    Grow up, get some hobbies that develop character (we like to volunteer our spare time to charities or cultural pursuits), and you will find women of substance that are willing to love you and sex you because you are worth it. Stop the ego driven “entitlement” that convinces you that you “deserve” whatever you set your sights on. Try earning our respect, time and love by being “that guy” we can count on because you have character and substance. Try ditching your “support system” of internet buddies who just want to have mental masturbation sessions over their “coulda, woulda, shoulda” social lives. We’re here and we have standards. Try living up to them and stop looking for the easy way out. Please.

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  91. Hot, slekker, lets go make time

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