Everyone’s Racist Except Black Women

To find out what people actually prefer in sex partners it’s much better to observe what they do than to ask them what they do. (You noting this, GSS nerds?) Our sex preferences, being the bedrock human value that underlies all other values, is also the one most susceptible to self-deceit. In that vein, a billion readers sent me a link to the blog of the online dating service OkCupid that had a post about research that compared the rates that people of different races respond to messages sent to them by horny admirers. You can go read the full article, including charts, here. I imagine it’ll be genuinely eye-opening to those who’ve been living in a windowless basement their whole lives.

The author, Christian, good SWPL that he likely is, interprets the data from a “racism is alive and well” perspective, but we here at CH headquarters know better. These are the ugliest of the ugly truths. Read on.

The author writes:

When I first started looking at first-contact attempts and who was writing who back, it was immediately obvious that the sender’s race was a huge factor. Here are just a handful of the numbers that illustrate that:

Black men love Asian chicks because they play hard to get. Really hard to get. The big surprise is the love that Indian women (dot, not feather) *don’t* have for their Indian brothers. Wassupwitdat, subcontinental ladies? I’ve written before that it’s likely the natural human preference, for all races of people, is to date, and particularly marry, within race. OKcupid is just one American online dating service (which skews young, educated and progressive) so we aren’t seeing the full picture, but assuming this data is even remotely indicative of reality outside of the online dating world, then one wonders why Indian men turn off their own women. Is this an emigrant phenomenon? If we dumped a bunch of white guys in Bombay would the Indian women immediately jettison their homeboys for the fresh white meat? Or is it just Americanized Indian chicks that have the Temperate Zone Fever?

The author goes on to explain how they calculated reply rates by race, describing the match compatibility system that OKcupid uses. You can read the details there, but in short, it looks as though, given an exact match on all other variables, people are choosing to reply or to not reply based on the one variable of race.

When viewing the charts below, keep in mind that yellow is a neutral (expected) reply rate, red is a reply rate that is lower than predicted by match compatibility, and green is a reply rate higher than predicted.

Now let’s look at the vastly different table of actual reply rates for messages, sent by men to women (I know our gay readers are interested in same-sex versions of these tables, and I will produce them next week):

The numbers on the perimeter of the table are the weighted average rates for each column/row. Here’s what we know:

Black women are sweethearts. Or just talkative. But either way, they are by far the most likely to reply to your first message. In many cases, their response rate is one and a half times the average, and overall black women reply about a quarter more often.

That’s not all we know, Christian. Some other possible reasons why black women reply at higher rates to men of all races:

– they’re sluttier.
– they’re more open-minded.
– they’re more experimental.
– they have lower standards.
– they get less attention from men in general so they resort to casting their net farther and wider for a nibble.

Note also that black women reply at the lowest rates to black men. For all the talk from black women about how much they want to date black men, their actual online preferences suggest they really want to date anyone *but* a black man.

White men get more responses. Whatever it is, white males just get more replies from almost every group. We were careful to preselect our data pool so that physical attractiveness (as measured by our site picture-rating utility) was roughly even across all the race/gender slices. For guys, we did likewise with height.

Maybe I should try my hand at online dating again. I did it a few times, with surprisingly good results (for me, anyway; not so much for the husband of the chick who agreed to meet me), but despite my unusual success in the online world, I don’t recommend it as anything more than a supplement to meeting girls in real life. The main reason why online dating sucks is simple: The kind of girls who have to hide behind a monitor to meet men often look like this:

whale

So which women give white guys like me the most love? Native Americans, Other, and Black chicks. My memories of sweet intimacy with black girls are fond.

White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible. Asian women write back non-white males at 21.9%, Hispanic women at 22.9%, and white women at 23.0%. It’s here where things get interesting, for white women in particular. If you look at the match-by-race table before this one, the “should-look-like” one, you see that white women have an above-average compatibility with almost every group. Yet they only reply well to guys who look like them. There’s more data on this towards the end of the post.

Speculation time: Did the mass of white SWPL women vote for Obama to assuage their subconscious guilt for prefering white men as mates? The jig is up white ladies. The next time I hear one of you braying about “racism this” and “racism that” I’m gonna shove this data right back in your pieholes.

Based on the weighted average rates at the bottom of the chart, Indian and Asian girls are the coyest women. Men, it’s a solid gameplan to avoid dating these chicks if you want to get some action before the tenth date.

Let’s see what happens when it’s the women writing the messages to men.

The first thing we notice is how much more eagerly men reply to female senders of all races than women reply to male senders. Hey, men are easier lays than women, news at 11. The second thing that jumps out is the high rate that Middle Eastern women get replies. According to this chart, white women are not the queens of the ball; every other group of women except black women gets a slightly higher reply rate than white women. Are white women’s deserved shitty reputation for entitlement, loudness, and cat hording finally catching up to them? Or is it that obese white women are more likely than fat chicks of other races to turn to the internet for love? What we do know is that worldwide, white women are the admired example of femininity, even for little children whose parents and culture are trying to convince them otherwise.

Men don’t write black women back. Or rather, they write them back far less often than they should. Black women reply the most, yet get by far the fewest replies. Essentially every race—including other blacks—singles them out for the cold shoulder.

Black women get no love. Summoning the Obsidian Kraken.

White guys are shitty, but fairly even-handed about it. The average reply rate of non-white males is 48.1%, while white guys’ is only 40.5%. Basically, they write back about 20% less often. It’s ironic that white guys are worst responders, because as we saw above they get the most replies. That has apparently made them very self-absorbed. It’s interesting that white males do manage to reply to Middle Eastern women. Is there some kind of emergent fetish there? As Middle Easterners are becoming America’s next racial bogeyman, maybe there’s some kind of forbidden fruit thing going on. (Perhaps a reader more up-to-date on his or her Post-Colonial Theory can step in here? Just kidding. Don’t.)

I would also note from the chart that Middle Eastern men are the biggest horndogs of all races.

The title of this post is sarcastic. It’s no more racist to prefer the opposite sex of your own race for dating and fucking than it is to prefer brunettes to blondes. If sex preferences are racist, then we need a new word for *real* racism; racism that includes things like forced segregation (superracism), racial violence (superduperracism) or slavery (goddamnthat’ssomebadassracismrightthere). But our sexual preferences are hardwired, and if the free expression of those preferences are racist, then racism itself is hardwired. Woops. Cat’s out of the bag!

The knee-jerk response to all this unsettling data from good, moral liberals will be “Ah, this just shows that institutional racism is still with us so we need more reeducation camps, mach schnell!”, never once considering the possibility that these “racist” preferences, by progressive socially enlightened OkCupid members no less!, reflect deep biological proclivities to favor mates who look like us. ON AVERAGE.

It’s no coincidence that our Western transnational de-patriotized elites are propagandizing Americans with a constant bombardment of images of interracial couples and swooning articles extolling the virtues, nay the moral imperative, of white people to date other races. The elites, hermetically and hypocritically marrying within their own race/class/ethnic religion, have it in for those who are best positioned to unseat them from their thrones of power. They know that if tribal identity, instinct — and even behavior — are biologically unalterable, then no government policy in the world will solve what they see as an impediment to utopia. This depresses them no end. Their answer is to have everyone (but themselves) mix it up in the sack until all human diversity is gone and we are left with a one race world that can get on in an orderly fashion with the business of being cogs churning in the gears of the globocorporate krell machine.

But it will never work. The heart wants what the heart wants.





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  1. I know summon the Obsidian Kraken to open the Gates of the Race Thread!

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  2. Awwwwwwwwwww shiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt

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  3. The heart wants what the heart wants.

    how cute!

    what about : “the boner appears when the balls feel like it”

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  4. “Ah, this just shows that institutional racism is still with us so we need more reeducation camps, mach schnell!”,

    Sad but true, socialists is just the opiate of the intellectual and intellectualism is merely window dressing for tyranny. The killing fields of Cambodia send their regards.

    Very interesting though, those nerds at OK Cupid sure have too much time on their hands…hmmm.

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  5. good post. the only thing i’ll point out about black female’s low response rate to black males is that the site’s skew towards educated, professionals has something to do with this. the black women themselves are biased against black men. it seems to me that online dating is least associated with blacks. i see online dating as an SWPL thing or something that FemX does; not black people. so the black women that do make that leap might be “different” in their mate preferences.

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  6. And I thought this would be a thread about Bertha Lewis.

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  7. Do you have that shamu chick’s number?

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  8. If preferring a certain race for a sexual partner is racism, then preferring a certain gender is sexism. It’s ridiculous to suppose that just because I don’t want to date black girls that i’m racist, just as it’s ridiculous for the “Fat Acceptance” crowd to say that I should be OK with dating fat girls. They’re all crazies who deny reality instead of just saying “it is what it is’ and dealing with it.

    I don’t think race by itself is even as big of a factor as you think it is – obviously you’re showing a strong correlation, but there’s not as much causation. I think the main reason that Black women get so little love but give out so much is that the obesity epidemic has hit them the hardest of anyone. Lots of them seem to enjoy the term “BBBW”. Most guys I know would probably date a black girl – but there just seem to be fewer quality black girls out there.

    I’m trying my hand at the online dating world soon. My goal is to just turn it into a numbers game and make every first encounter as casual as possible to avoid wasting time on the fat girls/crazies.

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  9. Everyone’s Racist Except Black Women

    cheah, like get with it dood.
    Everybody’s known about this.
    Oprah solved this problem at the last supper

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  10. Fascinating. Of course, lots of caveats.

    I like the “White men are shitty” remark. How about “Women are shitty”, since they only reply about half as often as men? Obviously, though, white men are the only group that any “respectable” person, especially a tolerant open-minded race-blind liberal, would ever refer to as “shitty”.

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  11. Gig, I think you meant “I *now* summon…”

    And what’s this “Kraken” business all about?

    Anyway, interesting post. Like you, I’ve never been a big fan of online dating, but by all accounts it’s here to stay if for no other reason than it’s easy and cheap. And I’ve personally known people who’ve used it to great effect, even marrying as a result of meeting via online dating services and the like. To each their own.

    So, I’m a bit dubious about the “study”, for similar reasons you’ve stated; for example, I’ve never even heard of the “OkCupid” online service. But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume that what they present is rock solid science, and proceed…

    Like you, what really got my eye wasn’t the hype about Sistas, but the fact that Indian gals don’t seem to be all that interested in their “brothers”. Based on my observation of the American East Indian community in the Philly, parts of NJ and NYC areas, this seems to tally well with the data – the HAPs, as I call them (Hindu American Princess) pretty much seem to ape the dating patterns and aspirations of Americanized Asian gals, ie, they tend to go after White guys. Which was something else I found interesting, that of all the Men who got responses, White guys consistently got the most.

    I think it isn’t racist at all to simply acknowledge the fact that being White does indeed confer certain advantages in life – now, sure, perhaps said advatanges may not be as stellar as they were, say, 50 years ago – but the point is made – in America, Race Matters, and being White, all other things being equal, puts you on the top of the social heap. That’s just a fact of everyday American life.

    Conversely, being Black will place you, again, all things being equal, at or near the bottom of the social totem pole in American life. As you rightly note above, and I was reading some thoughts by Chuck Ross on a similar topic, the simple truth of the matter is that White Women are seen as standard of beauty in our country. That’s just a fact, though I don’t go for it necessarily myself (and by the way, I decided to checkout your partner in crime Virgil Kent’s blog for the first time – hmm). Nevertheless, my personal tastes aside, those are the facts.

    So, because when considering potential mates, perceptions about who you choose matter, and as such it makes sense as to why White guys get more responses than anyone else, and Black Women get the least. *shrug*

    Personally, I don’t take any of this too seriously, for the simple reason that I don’t see it impacting my life in the least, nor the lives of Black Women I personally know; for example, I have three sisters, two of whom are happily married for at least a decade each, and the remaining single sister pretty much able to date both Black and White Men if she wants to. It doesn’t take a sociologist to know that marital rates for African Americans, and particularly for Black Women, aren’t all that high, so my family definitely beat the odds.

    If there is one huge downside of the Internet, it is its capacity to act as one’s own personal echo chamber, bascially “confirming” what one wants to see. I find that people – especially those who are supposedly more educated – are quite closedminded when it comes to dealing with different people. For example, I remain at turns fascinated and baffled at the degree to which many Whites will doggedly hold on to the most banal of Black stereotypes, even in the face of clear and present countervailing evidence – for example, the notion that the Ghetto is the sum total of the American Black Experience. Nothing could be further from the truth, yet many well-educated, upwardly mobile Whites not only will cling to these notions, but will vociferously fight to defend them, as we’ve seen so many times here and elsewhere in the blogospehere – and this is upheld by both Male and Female alike. I find this attitude deeply troubling, since I’ve always been one who embraces new ideas and experiences, hence refusing to be defined by others’ limting perceptions of what I am “supposed” to be; indeed, if anything, I revel in playing against stereotype.

    But yea, at any rate, very interesting post. I wonder what the Indian gals would have to say about it. THAT’S the Big Story to me.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  12. “Throw nature out with a pitch fork, and yet she will return.”

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  13. Chuck,
    Must’ve talked you up, lol. I think you make an interesting point theoretically, but as a Black guy who’s lived in the hood for many, many years, I can promise you that we use the Internet just as much as you guys do. I think the issue wrt Black Women not responding as much to Black Men may have something to do more with class than Internet availability. Many Sistas, as you rightly point out, tend to be well educated formally, whereas not so much for most Black Men, present company included – and as such, many such Sistas can and often will pass up such Brothas. Me, I never take it personally, I say it’s their loss.

    And by all accounts, it truly is.

    The Obsidian

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  14. In my experience, race determines upbringing, and upbringing sets the agenda for whether or not a girl will play hard to get, or the boys will be poon hounds.

    In order of likelihood to be hot:

    Persians: Hottest women and men. Women are hard to get. Men have the highest notch counts.

    Asian: Women are hard to get but there are few truly beautiful specimens. Men are beta/omega by cultural upbringing.

    White: Women are slutty and will dress accordingly. Beauty is more common if only due to clothing/makeup/obsessive gym memberships, men are typically greater beta.

    Hispanic: Women are slutty, and like asians, there are only a few truly beautiful specimens. Men are more passionate than whites but easily beta’d once in a relationship.

    Black: Women are typically obese, men are desperate and poor.

    In fact, looking at the chart above, I notice that it’s in order from “least likely to be fat” to “damn put down the sandwich.”

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  15. There is of course, a huge self-selection bias at work here. The site in question is a majority white site, so the people who go there, for the most part, tend to be at least open to the idea of dating a white person. Those that have other ethnic preferences will go to a dating site which caters to those preferences (e.g. Black Planet, JDate, etc). So people (of any ethnicity) who go to a white dating site prefer to date white people should be no surprise to anyone who thinks about it for two seconds. Only if you are thinking of white as the “default option” does it come as a shock.

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  16. When you cite another persons article, could you show your readers a little respect and inlcude a link to the article?

    [editor: i did. it’s right in the first paragraph. when you accuse another person of bad blog form, could you show your host a little respect and read his post more carefully?]

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  17. White Women is the standard of beauty throughout the world. I was in Asia, and this Asian girl was worried that I, a black guy, didn’t like her yellow skin because it wasn’t white enough. Or her black hair wasn’t blond enough.

    On the other hand, dark-skinned rastafarians are the standard of beauty for white women, when they travel to the tropics.

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  18. didn’t like her yellow skin because it wasn’t white enough.

    Even though I lived in Korea, I’ve seen one yellow person in my entire life. She was waiting for a liver transplant.

    East Asians are whiter than white people, whose skin color is on the cream-peach-tan continuum.

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  19. Everyone’s Racist Except Black Women

    That’s why I like to fuck them best.

    Every whitey
    should have a irl Gabrielle Union lookalike
    to drain his balls into
    cheerleader outfit included

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  20. on October 7, 2009 at 3:01 pm de Tocqueville

    I agree — let’s leave the “racist” label out of it.

    The facts are clear: White men are at the top, Asian men (and sometimes black men) are at the bottom, White/Asian women are at the top, and black women are at the bottom.

    The explanation for this can easily be provided without resorting to race per se.

    Men want submissive, feminine, thin, and well-educated women — white and Asian tend to fit this bill.

    Women want confident, tall, educated, wealthy men — white men tend to have these qualities.

    The real interesting question, if we’re talking about how to balance out these disparities, is how men and women can get the desired qualities.

    For example, Asian men already tend to be educated and therefore capable of wealth. They’ll develop the height, especially the later generation Asian Americans, through changed diet and the added height plus greater immigration will lead to better media representation and therefore more confidence. Also, just by growing up in America with American societal norms, Asian men will be able to escape the shackles of a Confucian culture that breeds beta-ism and deference to authority.

    The situation for black men and women is tougher because health and wealth are class driven and I don’t see improvements here, at least on a mass scale, in the foreseeable future. Also, I don’t see any future factors leading to greater femininity in black women.

    Ultimately, future interracial relationships over the course of the next century will solve many “racial” problems. But it does suck for Asian men and black women today.

    Asian men have it particularly bad because non-Asian don’t want them and even the Asian women, if the men can get them, are prudish.

    Another critical point from all this data is that white women, on the whole, are very deceitful about their preferences and incredibly discriminatory.

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  21. this is worth repeating:

    According to this chart, white women are not the queens of the ball; every other group of women except black women gets a slightly higher reply rate than white women

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  22. PA,

    That’s where I was, Korea. She said “yellow,” not my term. I did see many, many Koreans wearing white makeup that didn’t match the rest of their skin color.

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  23. on October 7, 2009 at 3:11 pm lovelysexybeauty

    The vast majority of Indian people use Indian-specific sites like shaadi.com, indiandating.com, bharatmatrimony.com, and all the smaller players. The girls who go on mainstream sites are probably not interested in Indian men at all in the first place. So the sample is naturally skewed. Indian women on those sites probably are pretty counterculture or fetishist, or have identity issues or something. A simple run of the numbers of registrants across sites will prove this. Also, it is considered shameful for an indian person to date out so again, these girls are rrebellious and not typical.

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  24. I’m having trouble with this “feminitity” notion as it relates to Black Women here. I’ve dealt with Black Women all my life and tell anyone here that all of them are hardly loudmouth Sassys, LOL. Some are, others aren’t, it all depends on a number of factors. And, having observed scores of White Women over the years, I can disabuse anyone’s notions of some kind of quaint, parisol carrying White ladies who faint at the slightest provocation. I’ve seen quite a few White Women cuss up a storm so bad and loud in public that it would make many a Sista blush.

    Personally, I’ve never been into loud and brash Women, and virtually all of the Black Women I’ve dealt with tend to be more reserved and quiet in public. Again, I think there is this notion of my White brothers and sisters doggedly holding on to banal ghetto stereotypes.

    The Obsidian

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  25. on October 7, 2009 at 3:17 pm Seeking Wisdom

    Be really careful with this data, folks, it’s more than likely crap. I do this kind of thing for a living, and let me tell you, it’s a trivial exercise to massage the numbers to prove whatever point you want. Given the methodological unknowns and the self selection bias of the internet I wouldn’t take this too seriously.

    Here’s some real data. I use OK Cupid as the primary way of meeting women – my response rate is ~20%, my dating rate is ~3.5%. I wonder how close to the median that is.

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  26. on October 7, 2009 at 3:18 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Anonymous got it with selection bias – ethnic websites are where Indian people who like others go, those that want to date out go to the sites in the study. Just compare shaadi.com or indiandating.com’s registration numbers in the US and you got your answer. Bombay girls will be more likely to focus on the Delhi guys (usually considered more macho and good looking). Indians are in general too proud and like their own

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  27. The SWPL writer clucked:
    It’s interesting that white males do manage to reply to Middle Eastern women. Is there some kind of emergent fetish there? As Middle Easterners are becoming America’s next racial bogeyman, maybe there’s some kind of forbidden fruit thing going on.

    Moron. Middle Easterners have never been a “racial bogeyman.” They’re a religious bogeyman, if anything. Given the big smoking hole in New York, the appellation “bogeyman” is pretty stupid, as well. Par for the course for a self-satisfied SWPL, though.

    Most of the “Middle Eastern” women on a dating site are going to be Christian. You’re certainly not going to find some burkah babe trolling for dudes.

    The reason these women have a higher appeal is similar to the higher appeal of East Asians. Recent arrivals tend to be more feminine in behavior and grateful not to have to marry Cousin Babaganoush in exchange for a couple of goats.

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  28. on October 7, 2009 at 3:27 pm de Tocqueville

    Obsidian,

    I understand your comment about black femininity but I’m talking about “on the whole”.

    I could point out stereotype-breaking examples for all types of people. Tall Asian men, fat Asian women, thin black women, educated black men, etc.

    But ON THE WHOLE, my impression is that black women tend to be less feminine than others — clearly in terms of physique but also with regard to personality.

    Even if one were to say (pulling numbers out of the air) that 70% of Asian white women are feminine and 40% of black women are feminine, this would make both our points true — that there ARE feminine black women out there but ALSO that black women, in the aggregate, tend to be less feminine.

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  29. what’s funny about okcupid is that it’s full of SWPL women spouting off about diversity and not wanting to be with “intolerent” people. it’s really not uncommon to see a woman have some form of “don’t bother messaging me if you’re a republican” on her profile.

    like so much other progressive/multicultural nonsense it’s all just bullshit. really, it’s just a way for one upper-middle class white person to signal to another upper-middle class white person.

    by the way, anyone who doubts much of what he says should spend some time reading female profiles on okcupid. most of the women claim to be unique, yet they all claim uniquness in the exact same ways. there’s a politics test, and the overwhelming majority of women score “socialist” meaning they they think society is explicitly responsible for providing individuals with a substantial basket of goods and services. and the number of times women mention some desire to “save the world” is enough to make me vomit in my mouth. whenever i see that, i ask “save the world from what?” i have yet to get a rational answer.

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  30. on October 7, 2009 at 3:30 pm de Tocqueville

    While it’s wise to be cautious about the OKCupid Data, also know that the data generally corroborates other academic studies on race and dating. For example:

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/single-female-seeking-same-race-male/

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  31. Obsidian

    I’m having trouble with this “feminitity” notion as it relates to Black Women here.

    Black versus white women have overlapping bell curves on aggressiveness/obnoxiousness/rudeness/brassiness or whatever we want to call it, just like their are overlapping bell curves on virtually any given characteristic when comparing races or ethnicities. It’s partly culture and partly race. Probably quite a lot more culture but some of both. Sure ghetto raised black girls are more obnoxious on average than those raised in the affluent black suburbs of Washington DC.

    However, on this characteristic the bell curves are widely seperated.

    East Asian girls and for that matter the women of most every foreign culture even if they’re second generation, are generally more feminine and less obnoxious or brash than long time American white girls are.

    Just because a generalization isn’t true for 100% of cases doesn’t mean it doesn’t convey a lot of accurate meaning.

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  32. on October 7, 2009 at 3:33 pm ironrailsironweights

    What about the preference of men for women with GNP’s?

    Peter

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  33. While it’s wise to be cautious about the OKCupid Data, also know that the data generally corroborates other academic studies on race and dating. For example:

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/single-female-seeking-same-race-male/

    Except the OKCupid study and the study cited by the NYT don’t really corrobarate. For example, the NYT study shows that black women are the least willing to date outside their race, while OKCupid chart would lead to the opposite conclusion. The NYT study says that women prefer their own race, but the OKCupid charts don’t show that at all, if anything, according to OKCupid, for certain ethnicities, women prefer their own race the least, or near the bottom.

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  34. Just because a generalization isn’t true for 100% of cases doesn’t mean it doesn’t convey a lot of accurate meaning.

    you’re right, but accuracy isn’t everything. there is, however, a little matter of both precision and predictive power. a man who says to himself, “i don’t want to end up with a crude and overly-aggressive woman; therefore i will avoid black women,” may be successful; of course, he may also end up with white trash.

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  35. But our sexual preferences are hardwired, and if the free expression of those preferences are racist, then racism itself is hardwired. Woops. Cat’s out of the bag!

    We already know that it is. These SWPLs discovered to their shock that babies are racist (babies as young as six months recognize and prefer their own race) and practically tied themselves in knots trying to figure out how to indoctrinate kids into an unnatural love of “diversity”.

    It is hardwired. Accept it and let’s deal with it.

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  36. The efforts of leftists and the media to shame various ethnicities/races, particularly white women, into dating other ethnicities, particularly black men, is infuriating. It’s been GREATLY stepped up this decade, and even in the last three or four years I think, i.e. the second half of this decade.

    Though MTV for example has been pushing in that direction for a longer.

    There was a big push in the late sixties early seventies if you go back and look at movies of that time. But it died down a lot by the 80s and 90s, when it didn’t really much take. Came back in the oughts as a Hollywood and campus lefties push.

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  37. on October 7, 2009 at 3:43 pm Billy Ray Cyrus

    What about the preference of men for women with GNP’s?

    They found one guy. A sketchy, oily guido slimeball who lifts weights, commutes by rail to NYC, and trolls the HBD blogosphere.

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  38. What I find fascinating is just how much weight so many of you here put into group averages; given that Game is by definition an individual journey and pursuit, it raises questions to me as to how one can reconcile these two seemingly diametrically opposing worldviews.

    Secondly, by “feminitity”, what do many of you mean? Perhaps my definition of the term differs from many of yours. For some, merely the fact that a Woman isn’t slender and/or considerably shorter than you is “unfeminine”; for others, a Woman being outspoken classifies as such. So I need clarification, since I have no problem at all with more zafig, taller or outspoken Women in the least; it in no way diminishes me as a Man, and in many ways I’d argue the exact opposite.

    Comments?

    The Obsidian

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  39. Doug, I think, with all due respect, you’re giving the Media too much credit. Clearly there isn’t an “epidemic” of White Women dating/mating with/marrying Black Men, and even if there were, by all accounts by the commenters here, these are the undesirable White Women in any event. So what’s the big whup? I just don’t see how it affects your or any other White guy’s lives here.

    Please explain?

    Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  40. “The efforts of leftists and the media to shame various ethnicities/races, particularly white women, into dating other ethnicities, particularly black men, is infuriating. ”

    idiot.

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  41. So white men have it best of all men, and black women have it worst of all women. Black women get 34.3%, white men get 34.1%. These numbers are virtually identical.

    Regarding the difficulties black women face, I’m going to assume that obesity and education are more than controlled-for. (1) The author said he controlled for facial attractiveness, which knocks out most obese people, and (2) there’s a subculture of highly educated black women who use online dating a lot, because of their demographic disadvantage, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the black women were of higher average quality than other races.

    Interesting. The near-evenness of the WM and BW numbers raises an interesting point, which is that black women tend to have a similar experience to men in dating, which makes them less spoiled and generally better people.

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  42. on October 7, 2009 at 3:49 pm de Tocqueville

    I said “generally” corroborate.

    – Men are more responsive than women
    – White women are most discriminatory (in the OKCupid data, check the reply rate of women compared to the average reply rate for women for each male sender)
    – Black women seem to be least desired
    – Certain groups have higher intra-race reply rates (e.g., blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans)

    People should take note of words like “tend” and “generally” rather than assigning an absolute connotation.

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  43. Sure is a lot of Bhetti love in those charts. 😉

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  44. Indians have the lowest rate of interracial marriage. Indian men also have the highest incomes, the highest educations and the lowest divorce rates on average. If you are an Indian female, there is very little motivation to date outside your race. OkCupid is not a place where Indian girls that want to meet Indian guys would go. There are many indian specific sites and there is the good ol route of arranged marriage.

    I only date online because of my six hundred fetishes. And I’m not on OkCupid. I’m only on fetish sites. The two ways I can meet someone that will fulfill my sexual needs are to go to fetish parties or go to fetish websites. If I go to fetish parties, I can’t resist all the slutty girls in corsets, so I end up wholly ignoring the guys. And I have all my south asian standards to boot, so I don’t like to waste time talking to sexy guys that have jobs like “photographer.” I stick to fetish sites where it is easy for me to quickly weed out guys that don’t have ivy league type degrees and marketable skills.

    And personally, the hypergamy in me prefers Aryan, which is the historically dominant side of my ethnic heritage.

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  45. Billy Ray Cyrus

    They found one guy. A sketchy, oily guido slimeball who lifts weights, commutes by rail to NYC, and trolls the HBD blogosphere

    brocephus, no offense, but your daughter is such an attention-whoring cockslurping jailbait skank it’s amazing. you gotta hook me up before she’s wore out or i get chafed fapping to Selena Gomez

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  46. BTW, I can’t believe response rates are this low. My rate of getting a response when I send a message must be 95%.

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  47. @feministx:

    This quote:

    I stick to fetish sites where it is easy for me to quickly weed out guys that don’t have ivy league type degrees and marketable skills.

    made my day. Thank you.

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  48. – White women are most discriminatory (in the OKCupid data, check the reply rate of women compared to the average reply rate for women for each male sender)
    – Black women seem to be least desired

    What I was pointing out was that while the OKCupid data says this, the NYT study does not. In the NYT study, it was black women, not white women, who were the most reluctant to date out of their race.

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  49. on October 7, 2009 at 3:59 pm ironrailsironweights

    I only date online because of my six hundred fetishes.

    That many fetishes is quite perverted. At least I have a nice wholesome fetish.

    Peter

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  50. on October 7, 2009 at 3:59 pm Horatio Sanchez

    My friend told me the other day that black women have more testosterone surging through their masculine veins than Asian dudes do. This sounds a little suspicious, but at the same time, it wouldn’t surprise me. The average sistah does seem more assertive than the average Asian man. Scary thought.

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  51. feministx.blogspot.com teased:

    BTW, I can’t believe response rates are this low. My rate of getting a response when I send a message must be 95%.

    fuck. I knew it.
    femX is a plushie
    and not even a booful
    lil’ fur bearkins nice kind

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  52. on October 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm de Tocqueville

    Also regarding the comparison between the NYT-quoted survey and the OKCupid Data:

    Black women are least willing to date outside their race in the NYT survey and most willing to date outside their race in the OKCupid survey.

    HOWEVER, leaving aside any differences in the survey population pool, in the NYT survey, the responses of the women were in a public environment while the OKCupid data was private responses.

    It could be that there was a social pressure among black women to stay within their race, a pressure that was alleviated when the construct became private. This would make sense to me since black women who date outside their race are sometimes vilified by other black men and women.

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  53. Black women at a white oriented site are probably self-selected for those who want to date white men.

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  54. Feministx, you’re an educated, attractive, white chick just barely past the peak of her sexual market value. Naturally, you have a high response rate.

    Enjoy it while it lasts: it fades quick. By the time you’re 40, men you don’t give the time of day to won’t give you the time of day.

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  55. yeah, this data’s crap – sample bias, small sample, no controls for attractiveness (needs a mashup with hotornot.com data), etc.

    it would also be interesting to see data (assuming it’s not equally bad) for the sex-oriented, not dating-oriented, sites, and if there’s a difference. who people would boff is not always the same as who they’d date.

    on the race thing, i think a lot depends not just on one’s own race, but whether you grew up around people only like you or in a multiracial environment. I can recall schoolboy/HS crushes on white, latin, and black girls. real people and interactions are not the same as media stereotypes.

    obs, when’s the blog launch?

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  56. As a Middle Eastern man, I would like to confirm that we are the biggest horn dogs on the planet, right next to our Mediterranean cousins. Fortunately, us boys with a little bit of a tan complexion seem to always be in vogue, so our horniness is not wasted. Besmellah!

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  57. Obsidian–

    Doug, I think, with all due respect, you’re giving the Media too much credit. Clearly there isn’t an “epidemic” of White Women dating/mating with/marrying Black Men, and even if there were, by all accounts by the commenters here, these are the undesirable White Women in any event. So what’s the big whup?

    It’s clearly attempted social engineering trying once again to leverage manufactured white guilt about not being “racist” and preferring their own group, or closely compatible groups. As he says well:

    It’s no coincidence that our Western transnational de-patriotized elites are propagandizing Americans with a constant bombardment of images of interracial couples and swooning articles extolling the virtues, nay the moral imperative, of white people to date other races. The elites, hermetically and hypocritically marrying within their own race/class/ethnic religion, have it in for those who are best positioned to unseat them from their thrones of power. They know that if tribal identity, instinct – and even behavior – are biologically unalterable, then no government policy in the world will solve what they see as an impediment to utopia. This depresses them no end. Their answer is to have everyone (but themselves) mix it up in the sack until all human diversity is gone and we are left with a one race world that can get on in an orderly fashion with the business of being cogs churning in the gears of the globocorporate krell machine.

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  58. Too true on this one, an ugly truth, its a real shame.

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  59. Ker

    Fortunately, us boys with a little bit of a tan complexion seem to always be in vogue, so our horniness is not wasted. Besmellah!

    and often,
    for each other

    sa’allam all’ekem

    mout-el

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  60. Peter, my most recent ex had that fetish too. For the first time since age 15, I grew it out. It was so gross. It feels like lack of hygeine.

    Firepower, plushie is like the one fetish I do not have.

    If we want to talk about feministx and online dating, we should all go to my blog and give me advice on my online dating dilemna.

    http://feministx.blogspot.com/2009/10/torn-advice-please.html

    Thanks very much.

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  61. “Temperate Zone Fever” had me laughing. Good post.

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  62. feministx.blogsplort.com deflated:

    Firepower, plushie is like the one fetish I do not have.

    jeez
    youre such
    a fucking bore

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  63. “Feministx, you’re an educated, attractive, white chick just barely past the peak of her sexual market value. Naturally, you have a high response rate.”

    Why would you think that I am white?

    I am Indian (dot, not feather).

    I suspect that my response rates from men will not change that much although their long term vs short term interest in me will wane considerably.

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  64. Maurice,
    I’m gunning for a Oct 31 2009 launch date, so wish me luck.

    Also: I think it’s fair to say that Black folk, as a group, are much more aware of Whites than the other way around. The reasons why are pretty simple – in order to survive, much less thrive, if you’re Black you need to be able to get on well with Whites. I think this has something to do with why one observes more Black Women in mainstream corporate America than Black Men, because Women generally are more apt to get along with others than are Men, who are by nature much more competitive. For example, notice how it’s fairly common to see a group of Women of different races going out to lunch together; Men rarely if ever do this.

    Doug, I hear what you’re saying but again I think you’re giving the Media far too much credit. Since you cited him above, I’ll also note that he says quite clearly, that in the end most people tend to date and mate with their own kind. Personally, I don’t see any problem with that, nor should anyone who believes in the principle of freedom of association. Either you’re for it or you’re not. Period.

    The Obsidian

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  65. on October 7, 2009 at 4:23 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Obsidian writes:

    For example, I remain at turns fascinated and baffled at the degree to which many Whites will doggedly hold on to the most banal of Black stereotypes, even in the face of clear and present countervailing evidence – for example, the notion that the Ghetto is the sum total of the American Black Experience. Nothing could be further from the truth …

    Could you mention some of these ‘untrue’ stereotypes which many Whites hold on to?

    For example, I hold on to the ‘stereotype’ that something like 1 in three black males is likely to spend part of his life in a penitentiary. Now come up with some of the ‘countervailing evidence’ you refer to.

    Recommended reading:

    The Color of Crime

    http://www.colorofcrime.com/

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  66. @ carolus

    congratulations! you can quote statistics.

    do you do any other tricks?

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  67. CR,
    Yes, I’m familiar with the Color Of Crime study. My reply to is – so? If an American breaks the law, they are arrested and if found guilty, imprisoned. How does that impact on my life as an individual, which is the fulcrum of what makes America special among nations? I need clarification. Please explain?

    Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  68. Also CR,
    You asked for some countervailing evidence on my part – you shall have it.

    Prince George’s County MD is considered one of if not the wealthiest Black areas of the country. How many Black Men there are excons?

    Your reply?

    The Obsidian

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  69. FemX:

    “My rate of getting a response when I send a message must be 95%.”

    that tends to happen when your profile picture includes full on views of your tits-n-ass.

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  70. on October 7, 2009 at 4:30 pm Carolus Reconditus

    J R,

    Yes, instead of paraphrasing or plagiarising other writers one of my tricks is simply referring readers to high-quality sites:

    For statistics on IQ, race and gender, try:

    La Griffe du Lion

    http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com/

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  71. “that tends to happen when your profile picture includes full on views of your tits-n-ass.”

    Which mine does.

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  72. on October 7, 2009 at 4:33 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Obsidian,

    You have an anecdote problem. Puh-leez stop confusing cherry-picking and data-dredging with the pursuit of knowledge.

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  73. @ carolus,

    the point is that a parrot can repeat back other people’s research. you’re simply not saying anything meaningful. actually, i take that back. the amount of stock you put in those statistics tells me a lot about you.

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  74. Kind of a lengthy post, but anybody who isn’t completely retarded shouldn’t be surprised by this at all.

    Humans are inherently tribal. End of story.

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  75. CR,
    You have a lack of understading the American Enterprise problem. Please review the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers, and holla back.

    The Obsidian

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  76. I wish that every paper containing social science-related statistics that I had to slog through during Ph.D. school also came with an abstract like yours here. Makes for a much more lively read.

    @Obsidian:
    “What I find fascinating is just how much weight so many of you here put into group averages; given that Game is by definition an individual journey and pursuit, it raises questions to me as to how one can reconcile these two seemingly diametrically opposing worldviews.”

    Good point. Game is about playing with or dancing on top of the social norms; exploiting them; moving across and between the seams of social convention.

    But today’s post wasn’t meant to address individual-level game issues at all (unless, by chance, one is a middle-eastern guy specifically seeking the love from a black or native american sista. If so, today’s post is a tactical help!). Rather, the post is a slap in the face to the anti-HBD types. Since so much of the feminist and anti-HBD blogosphere speaks-out against the central tendencies in actual human behavior or engages in wishful thinking about human behavior, the post here means to bring all that back down to earth. Those who gloss over the real-world averages need to be occasionally reminded of them.

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  77. on October 7, 2009 at 4:45 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Carl writes:

    Humans are inherently tribal.

    True enough, but sex sometimes rears its pretty head. Despite being a lily-white Europid, iI think I would prefer the sexual services of an attracttive black or Asian woman to those of an ugly, overweight, tatooed, trailer-trash White.

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  78. Unrelated to the post, but worth a read for a good laugh:

    http://www.doublex.com/blog/yourcomeback/trip-rome-brought-out-my-inner-hedonist#

    Heheh.

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  79. Funny, I was just listening to the song “Down for Whatever” by Ice Cube. Apropos.

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  80. I ran into an Indian girl I met a few motnhs back last night, with her suit-wearing bo. She has stated that she’s not really into him, but he “takes her to dinner” and, well, he’s Indian.

    I’d venture that Indian girls hitting up online dating sites are more inclined to be escaping their race, their culture, their parental influence.

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  81. Sorry, last comment: I’d say 90% of “Female – other” are also black – from experience.

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  82. on October 7, 2009 at 4:58 pm de Tocqueville

    Obsidian,

    Your points are well-taken but I think you’re falling prey to a fallacy known in psych circles as the “I know a person that” fallacy — in other words, using anecdotes that are exceptions to the rule to disprove the general rule.

    Pointing out the existence of some wealthy blacks doesn’t disprove the general poor economic situation of blacks.

    No one is discounting your claim that individuals can overcome any stereotype . . . but that’s not the point here.

    The point is that, in the dating field, when we look at real human preferences, there are clear trends. Some people are admitting the truths of these trends and trying to figure out why they exist. Others are denying these trends.

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  83. Feminstix said: “I suspect that my response rates from men will not change that much although their long term vs short term interest in me will wane considerably.”

    Loooooooooooooooooollllllllllllll!!!!

    If those aren’t famous last words, I don’t know what is. Although, once your body shrivels up like a dried prune in the sun, a gem like you could always fall back on your charming personality, eh?

    If I were you, Feminstix, I would start to think about what you have to offer men besides your slippery sperm receptacle… because once that is gone – and it will go, ask any 45 year old woman – I can’t see why anyone would want you for anything, except perhaps for someone to change bedpans.

    After all, you’ve been selling your personality, cooking, and backrub skills like hotcakes all over this blog for a while now.

    What EXACTLY do you have to offer besides being a sperm toilet? And why would anyone want an old, crusty, stain splattered bowl when there are brand new, never shit in, low-flow models available for cheaper, and with less maintenance?

    Nice fantasy though.

    The reality is that most men would rather hump a running blender than stick it into a wrinkly old hag after she’s jammed herself full of “natural” KY Jelly. Generally, it used to be a trade off… that being, a low status YOUNG man (poor, little life skills, social status, etc) would pair off with a HIGH status young woman (she has a fresh, non-diseased, fertile pussy)… and, as life goes on, the man’s status increases and increases, and at around 28 he begins to catch up… by 35 he fully catches up… and by his forties, the man has SURPASSED the woman in the sexual marketplace. (Ha, ha, the funny thing is this is when women are at their “I want to get fucked peak” just as men are going through andropause and couldn’t give a rip, ahhhh, time heals all salty wounds to the ego, you young, sexually frustrated fellas — who are rightfully remedying this affliction via game). The reverse then becomes true, and your 45 year old “beta-provider” can lickety split show up at some dark lounge, whip out the gold card, and pick up far higher quality chicks than the never-stops-bitching yeast infection that has been festering on his couch through the past 23 seasons of D’Oprah.

    Smart women used to realize this and teach their daughters a separate set of skills to offset the ever declining value of a woman’s pussy… so that the man would have a reason to keep her around, along with a little help from the bonding that comes from BUILDING a life together, like joint children, finances, experiences, and memories.

    But… you keep telling yourself that having gray pubes, a bottle of KY Jelly to rub into your age-spotted labia, and a house full of cats will ensure you a never ending supply of fresh cock willing to put up with your filthy personality.

    It really is amazing, isn’t it? Even though women are CONSTANTLY competing with eachother over looks, and abhor aging, and vehemently DESPISE the idea of turning 40 and being replaced by a 20yr old… they still kid themselves into thinking the crinkly aged hole will still have the same pull it always has… don’t point out to her that she feels superior to older women today precisely because she thinks (rightly) that because she is younger, she has higher sexual value.

    And they want us to treat these creatures as this as our equals? Equal value, perhaps… maybe even greater value per evolution/biology, just as per children being more valuable than adults… but children are NOT valuable because of their great minds, and history would indicate that neither are women. Exhibit A: Feminstix

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  84. WAIT A MINUTE!!
    I know of at least 5 or 6 websites that say that white women are into big black cocks! Why isn’t OK Cupid reflecting that? The study is racist!!!

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  85. When I’m world dictator, some of the first people to go will be the ones who feel the need to constantly use terms of endearment like “brotha” and “sista.”

    Anyway, if this data is valid, the only thing it really shows is that women are whores. You’d think women would be inclined to date within their own ethnic groups, for whatever reasons, but the gravitation towards white men can be simplified in two ways:

    1. White men are presented as the most attractive and desirable in our culture, but more importantly
    2. They run the goddamn world, and make the most money. (Wait for angry Asian to argue that Asians make more money.)

    Women are basically looking for a nice guy they can leech off of. Statistically, their best chance for finding a guy with bucks, with social standing they can co-opt, or whatever, is going for a white guy.

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  86. “the amount of stock you put in those statistics tells me a lot about you.”

    Why should we put any stock into those statistics? Instead we should listen to guys like JR and our media/academia overlords . Nothing to see here… let’s move on.

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  87. RE: Middle Eastern men

    I remember my not very religious Bosnian Muslim friend telling me, “The Arabs are filthy bastards.”

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  88. fedrz,

    like many men, you don’t understand how easy it is for a woman to get laid. Any woman, no matter what she looks like or what she wants, can get laid and she can get it from a reasonably attractive man.

    [editor: like many women, you overestimate the attractiveness of men you can get to dump a lazy fuck in you when you’re fat, ugly, and/or old.]

    Thus, while I will not attract much long term interest when I am over 40, I will still have men eager to bone me.

    [quality counts.]

    Otherwise, I think it’s my exotic status which changes my decline in sexual market value. I will age slower and my appeal is more about being exotic and petite than it is about being young.

    [the jury is out on whether indian women age better than white women who don’t overtan or smoke. i haven’t noticed any particularly well-preserved specimens of indian milfs. my experience with superficially in-shape indian women in bed is that they have horrible muscle tone. their skin is loose and the flesh swallows my hand like a warmed bowl of jell-o.]

    If you are like me, you never attract guys like hot white girls do at their peak, but your value declines less steeply.

    [forget what you look like now. for a peek at how your value will decline, look at your mom.]

    HBD types have this delusion that men over 40 have the world at their fingertips while women over 40 are entirely unwanted.

    [it’s not a delusion, and it isn’t held solely by hbders. non-nerd types such as yours truly are well aware of the reality that older men who aren’t complete losers have a much better go of it in the dating market than older women.]

    All people age. And I will age. And I will get less attractive, but that’s what all men expect of me. Any man who has an interest in marriage and family accepts that.

    [men with options find mistresses make the accepting go down easier.]

    As for what I have to offer besides being a sperm receptacle? Not a lot. Never needed much else to get a boyfriend.

    [grateful betas usually have few demands.]

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  89. I never understand this moderation thing.

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  90. what’s funny about okcupid is that it’s full of SWPL women spouting off about diversity and not wanting to be with “intolerent” people. it’s really not uncommon to see a woman have some form of “don’t bother messaging me if you’re a republican” on her profile. – JR

    And how. The only thing more predictable is the line, “My kids are my life!”

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  91. @ top

    you should listen to whomever you choose. or you can be your own man. you are free to choose.

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  92. FeministX said:

    As for what I have to offer besides being a sperm receptacle? Not a lot. Never needed much else to get a boyfriend.

    Yeah, it’s kind of true.

    It’s not hard to enter into an LTR with a man who’s totally devoted to you. It’s difficult when you have very a very niche market, like I do (although it’s different from FemX’s needs).

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  93. More difficult, but still not exceptionally hard.

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  94. the only time I banged a slavic girl was a 4 or 5, a Russian tourist that I also described to my friends as “exotic”. in malespeak, “exotic” means subpar though possessing some strange feature. Madonna adn AMy Winehouse are exotic.

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  95. @fedrz: you called it spot on. Young women just don’t get how badly their SMV decays after 35. Almost all young women, especially in urban areas in blue states, think exactly like Feminstix.

    Nature plays a cruel trick on women: at the peak of their power they don’t understand how to use it. The advantage men have is that later in life when the have more power they also have the life experience to be more Machiavellian about using it.

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  96. I honestly don’t think FeministX will have an issue getting married. The nature of the “system” as it currently operates doesn’t prevent women who have racked up dozens of sex partners unmarryable.

    [editor: most women won’t have trouble getting married…… if they settle. heh.]

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  97. I don’t think guys can get turned on by women over a certain age (30).. Even if you are doing an older woman, you will have to think about someone younger to keep it going.

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  98. continuing the story, the girl wanted me to be kind of her BF while in Rio. This was the girl I negged through “racist game”, saying that Russians are sissies because they have no blacks so they don´t know what violence is.

    She started bullshitting me abotu how Russia was a tough place when I played “racist game”. Then I talked about the HOly Alliance between Brazil and Russia, celebrated by mixing lemon, sugar , ice and vodka. ANd paying her a drink.

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  99. I don´t understand why your posts fluctuate so much between extremely insightful and stuff like this. It can´t be because you are unintelligent or incapable of seeing the logical flaws in these aguements.

    [editor: i included the charts because the data speaks for itself. my arguments are speculation as to why the data say what they say.]

    Is it because you realized that inflammatory posts like this equal more traffic and more replies?

    [someone’s gotta talk about it, may as well be me.]

    Or is it because you just enjoy trowing stones at a bees nest just to see what will happen?

    [maybe!]

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  100. I don’t think guys can get turned on by women over a certain age (30)..

    Having never been with a woman over 30… I’ve yet to see. There is actually a stylish cougar woman, probably about 45, so a couple of years older than me. She has clear hots for me. I’d bang here if neither one of us were married.

    Which makes me think that there are two kinds of “hot.” One, there is the kind of hot where you really want to see the girl naked, and then do everythign you normally do with her.

    And two, there is the kind where you’d rather not see her naked, at least not in harsh, bright light. But something about her is nevertheless sexy, and you’d love to bang her hard.

    I’m guessing that the first kind of hot is exclusive to women under 27 or so, give or take depending on the woman. And the second kind of Hot can go all the way up to her menapause in case of exceptional women.

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  101. Shit. why won’t ANY of my comments I do after 5PM since the weekend post?

    [editor: i have no idea what’s up with wordpress. but i’m moving the blog to a new url soon anyhow.]

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  102. Even if you are doing an older woman, you will have to think about someone younger to keep it going

    good one Lucifer. This is true. You need a stronger bond when she crosses 30, which is love but also habit. The way to make habit work is having children

    Prince George’s County MD is considered one of if not the wealthiest Black areas of the country

    I confess that when I first heard this, my HBD beliefs trembled. Then someone, probably Doug, said that they are all Public Servants working for the Behemoth on the POtomac. SO they are actually leaching high earners like me. So if you want a policy proposal, I say, defund the government and eliminate income taxes on firms and persons

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  103. What about BBC (big black cocks)?????

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  104. “Young women just don’t get how badly their SMV decays after 35. Almost all young women, especially in urban areas in blue states, think exactly like Feminstix.

    Honey, almost no women think exactly like FemX. I know because I’ve done the experiments. Ive made fake profiles of 400 lb women, 70 yr old women, women who are flat out crazy. All get dozens of replies from attractive guys. All women can get laid. It’s incredibly easy. In fact, all women can acquire an ongoing private relationship with an attractive man.

    What becomes more difficult is becoming the official girlfriend or wife. And even that is entirely possible. My father married my stepmother when she was 50 and he was 54. As an attractive doctor, he could have married someone much younger. He didn’t feel like it.

    [editor: there are more important variables that affect a man’s attractiveness to women than his educational pedigree.]

    Sofia, what is your niche interest? PS, why do you think I’ve had dozens of sex partners?

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  105. FemX,

    I didn’t say you had dozens of sex partners, but I was making a point: that if a woman who has racked up a number count won’t have trouble getting married, I doubt you would.

    [editor: define trouble. a thankful beta may very well convince himself he’s OK with marrying a slut, but a guy with more options may take a pass for a less road worn and snatch pounded chick.]

    I’m attracted to extreme dysfunctionality. Every guy I’ve dated since I went “crazy” has had one major episode dealing with mental illness, and was usually on some sort of serious psychiatric medication (I don’t count depression since it’s so common). It’s designed so they can better understand where I’m coming from, or why I behave the way I do sometimes.

    I’m also just eccentric in an ineffable kind of way and I seek out the same sort of peculiar traits.

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  106. femX have said it before, she has as ganeda of harming the most people she can.

    she wants women to overvalue themselves as they age, so they end up as cougars> I bet femX lesbianism is sort of vampirism, she prays of girls so that she can poison them with her theories. Being above average in inteligence, fem X has certainly an easy game in this

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  107. ganeda should be “agenda”

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  108. deToucqueville,
    Yes, I know what you and others are saying, and spoke to it in my initial post on this topic. My problem is that often, some of the regular commenters will go on and on about saving/preserving Western Civ-of which, the importance and primacy of the individual is key-then turn right around and apply collectivist thought to areas of life that are by their definition deeply personal. I find this bifurcation in thought at turns fascinating and baffling.

    In no way am I denying the simple fact that being White in America, today in 2009, gives one a leg up out on the dating market, all other factors being equal. My problem is the constant fixating on only the worst of African Americans, never, ever, the best of us. Why is this?

    [editor: ob, i understand your frustration. but the fixation, as it were, wouldn’t be necessary if there weren’t an orwellian memetic lie generator already in place and saturating every niche of the culture, high and low, with a steady drumbeat of anti-reality. when the day comes that people in power begin accepting the truth of human nature and their policy prescriptions reflect that acceptance, then maybe you’d be fair in demanding more attention be paid to the virtuous outliers.]

    And then the very same people who routinely do this have no compunctions squawking loudly if and when someone Black lambastes Whites.

    Please explain?

    The Obsidian

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  109. This study doesn’t seem concrete to me, but either way the old saying still rings true:

    The lighter you are the more attractive you seem.
    The darker you are…well…do i really have to say it?

    It is what it is.

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  110. In no way am I denying the simple fact that being White in America, today in 2009, gives one a leg up out on the dating market, all other factors being equal.

    Obsidian, I recall you insisitng that all factors being equal, black guys have anadvantage over white guys with women. Deion Sanders and all that.

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  111. Hispanic: Women are slutty, and like asians, there are only a few truly beautiful specimens. Men are more passionate than whites but easily beta’d once in a relationship.

    ::laughs and shakes head::

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  112. [the slut tells aren’t solely based on her looks or mode of dress. there are subtle and not so subtle behavioral cues as well. most men who have experience with women (i.e. alphas) are better able to recognize the tells than are inexperienced betas.]

    It’s true, there are tells. Though again, few men are attuned to them. Also, it’s possible as a woman to consciously mask them.

    I’ve never had a reason to lie about my sexual history, but most of the men I date assume I’m more innocent than I am also for the token of being an ethnic minority (Indian looking [dot, not feather]). Which I also find interesting. Being brainy can also be deceptive.

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  113. My problem is the constant fixating on only the worst of African Americans, never, ever, the best of us. Why is this?

    I read this piece. I think it was a prose piece, Anyway it went along the lines that humans really like to magnify the worse traits in people, because it is far more interesting than the positive (see:the news).

    It also doesn’t help that people instinctively like to feel superior to others.

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  114. gig–

    I confess that when I first heard this, my HBD beliefs trembled. Then someone, probably Doug, said that they are all Public Servants working for the Behemoth on the POtomac.

    Working directly for the feds and indirectly through private firms that are contracted by the feds. Which contracts have HEAVY affirmative action rules, minority majority owned firms heavy favoritism (blacks are often sorta fronts in these cases but it can pay pretty well to act as a front, with 51% ownership), etc.

    Of course some just do and compete well. But it’s a lean over backwards general environment.

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  115. Sofia:

    It’s also possible for a woman to have an innocent or naive countenance and still be a slut for the token of possessing those qualities to begin with.

    Great point.

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  116. I hear what yore saying, but come on-does anyone seriously argue that Black crime is a problem-almost entirely for other Black people? We both are fans of The Wire-that show did nothing else BUT feature Black crime. It was as real as it gets. And the show was a big hit and critically acclaimed. I think its fair to say that HBO is a part of the “media”, yes? I mean, I just do not get it.

    Even when I mention the fact of places like Prince George’s County, we gotta then hear the grinding of goalposts-the discussion shifts from behavioral issues to Affirmative Action and federal gov’t jobs-neverminding the fact that hundreds of thousands of WHITE FOLKS also work for the federal gov’t. I mean, the rhetorical twisting in the wind rivals any such charges aimed at me in this regard. It’s as if some here simply refuse to believe, regardless of the evidence presented, that Black folk can be nothing other than vile, evil people. And this, coming from obstensibly highly educated people who supposedly know better! I’m not arguing for anyone turning a blind eye to the foiables and real problems of Black America; all I’m asking is that one look at us through a door, instead of through a keyhole. And it shouldn’t take a Great Gettin’ Up Mornin’ from the “Media” to do that.

    And while I got you here, you’ve said before that in your view, Black Women are “sluttier” than White-this is a very interesting comment coming from you, since your direct experience with Black Women seems a bit limited (I think it fair to say I know quite a few more Black Women than you) and, in many ways is a kind of red herring since you seem to have a preference for White Women-particularly those who are a bit on the sluttier side, based on some of your previous writings.

    Its these kinds of bifrucated thoughts and ideas that you and others seem to hold that is, again, at turns, fascinating and baffling to me.

    If so inclined, please explain?

    Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  117. For the niche market girls… do you think you’ll ever come to a point where you’ll make some trade offs for the perfect guy you have in mind? Someone told me once that if a guy is really, really into you but you think he’s missing some things… as long as he has “80%” you should seriously consider him. Over time you guys will probably adjust to each other and end up having a lot of similarities any way. I donno…

    Personally I don’t like online sites for meeting guys because it’s wayyy too time consuming. How do people go through the bazillions of people on there? If you have a niche interest I’m sure it’s easier…

    My experience (not sure if it’s useful but might as well put it out there): never ever made the first move, just up a pretty picture and simple profile. 90% of initial attractiveness should be on looks per the expert. Not as worried about having common interests, I’m interested in almost everything so am sure I could find at least a few with a guy.

    Going through the hundreds of guys who contacted was exhausting… just impossible. I just couldn’t keep up with it and gave up… even on the few I replied to. Sticking to guys in real life is just easier to handle and do… and you just feel more of a connection too if you’ve met in person first. Not sure how others manage it.

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  118. on October 7, 2009 at 6:54 pm Steve Johnson

    Sofia,

    Guys with no experience with women can’t tell if women are slutty or not. Guys with experience can.

    Strangely enough the first category of guys are the ones that girls dig and the second category are the ones that girls settle for.

    Honesty not required.

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  119. PA,
    Yes, I recall my comments wrt Deion Sanders. I also made those comments in response to notions of “low class/Black Game” that Black Men supposedly have uniform proficiency in, and thus, if they’re able to appeal to White Women at all, said Women are the dregs no upstanding White Man would want. I challenged that notion by citing Sanders, as well as citing Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington and quite a few other notable Black Men who stood as clear and present examples that ran counter to the “low class/Black Game” notions.

    So, let me say again: given what we know about what Women find attractive, if a Black Man has some let’s say, “urban edge”, while at the same time is smooth and articulate, he won’t fin much trouble getting with White Women-and we’re not talking about Bobbi Sue, we’re talking about Amy or Rachel. I’ve seen it way too many times, to say nothing of having experienced it myself, firsthand. Even he has written about this.

    O

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  120. Guys with no experience with women can’t tell if women are slutty or not. Guys with experience can.

    OK, well, you guys can make this claim, but it’s just not verifiable. Sorry.

    I’m inclined to believe you in the majority of cases, but I know tons of slutty women who snagged quality guys (experienced!) who either knew and didn’t care, or just couldn’t tell at all. The difference with these women is that they were self-aware (didn’t make stupid mistakes regarding behavioural cues, subject matter of conversation, etc.). Dumb slutty chicks are a different species from smart slutty chicks.

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  121. Some of the data here just doesn’t make sense. Lets look at the Indian data for example. Now I am 100% that Indian girls prefer Indian men. I have lived in many countries of the world. UK, America, Canada, Kenya and Tanzania in Africa. Wherever there is a sizable population of Indian people’s, you will see the same effect. Rarely will you see an Indian Chick going out with non Indians.

    I can only assume that Indian chicks that sign up for online dating are a selected group, i.e the one that decided to go out of the normal places where they will find a mate. Most Indian chicks that go for online dating will also sign up to Indian dating sites.

    The same applies to Middle Eastern women to a lesser extent. I agree on the Middle Eastern men part though. From my experience they are least discriminating of all.

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  122. I should say: smart slutty chicks who know what discretion means.

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  123. I swear every woman once she hits 30 is always talking about how she looks so young for her age. Women always tend to talk about how women from their ethnic group, or their background, or whatever age so well and look younger. Its almost never true and I get so sick of hearing it.

    Also this type of data has a huge selection bias. I never use dating sites. I think they are a good tool for people with weak social skills and game and are therefore biased to betas. When I’ve browsed through the women on them before they don’t seem to be particularly high quality. It seems more fruitful to just approach attractive women I meet by going out and about.

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  124. In the sample above, black men don’t seem to do too well with White women. I don’t think this is supported by evidence one sees in Nightclubs or on the street. Could it be that the people in this mentioned dating site are mature people who are looking forward to marriage? Maybe

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  125. Sofia,

    and that is precisely why all women should be considered as lying, cheating, gold-digging sluts unless demonstrated otherwise.

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  126. Anonymous,

    In addition to SWPL-ization, indian women hate themselves for not being white.

    To me, that is even worse than SWPL-ization.

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  127. This all makes me think back to a conversation I had with one of my very good friends. He’s a white guy, and had been complaining to me about how he could never get hot, “normal” black chicks. Despite being comfortable around black people and about as alpha as they come (ex-NCAA Div 1 QB), the only black women that would mess with him were either not very hot, or I-don’t-date-black-guys, daddy issues having, psychodrama head cases.

    The truth of the matter is that Black women ARE averse to dating across racial lines. In the black community there are more good looking successful, educated black females than there are black males with similar qualifications, thus the competition for intraracial suitors among black women is fierce.

    The super hot, educated, top of the food chain black women will always have access to alpha black men, be they convicts, construction workers, or CEOs. You generally see these women with guys that are either built like NFL cornerbacks, or good looking, well dressed, light skinned Harry Belfonte types.

    Most of the black women that are open to interracial dating are of lower status and have been squeezed out by the intense competition for the relatively few alpha black males. They are insecure that any alpha black male they date will have an abundance of a plethora of options available to him (the sour grapes complaint that all black men are all players) and seek out someone they feel is of a more attainable dating market value. This leaves them with two choices, either date Betas or expand the number of available alphas by dating outside of the race.

    Being a light skinned, green eyed Harry Belafonte type, I can assure you that what I say is true. At “urban clubs” I can pretty much trip and fall into pussy without even trying. At clubs of a different persuasion, I still do well, but it’s not the game of 3 card monty with a deaf, dumb and blind retard suffering from severe cerebral palsy that it is at any place with a DJ that plays predominately hip-hop music. Even in the most lily white hick town country bar, it’s pretty much open and shut with any hot black female that walks in.

    Rather than rely on these questionable statistics, ask yourself this. If you could go to a bar full of people of any ethnicity other than your own, where do you think that you would have the best chance of bagging a hottie?

    Me: Mixed Race, Persian, Pac Islander, Latina-Puerto Rican, Jewish, Northern Asian, Indian, White, Latina-Mexican, Southeast Asian. I don’t have enough data on Arab chicks to put them on the list. Keep in mind, I don’t think this is a general measure of selectivity, but it’s where I think I’d do the most damage being a light skinned Harry Belafonte type with my type of personality and game.

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  128. and that is precisely why all women should be considered as lying, cheating, gold-digging sluts unless demonstrated otherwise.

    lolol

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  129. True enough, but sex sometimes rears its pretty head. Despite being a lily-white Europid, iI think I would prefer the sexual services of an attracttive black or Asian woman to those of an ugly, overweight, tatooed, trailer-trash White.

    Not as bad as politics or nationalism.

    And it’s not surprising that you favor chicks of different races. As a man you are programmed to spread your seed far and wide.

    Personally I don’t give a fuck what race a chick is. If I find her sexually attractive (re: hot) my dick will get hard and I will be seeking penetrative sex with her. I don’t give a shit if she’s a pygmy living in sub saharan Africa or some slut I found at the bar.

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  130. Now that I think about it, I gotta admit you might have a point. Let me explain.

    As I’m sure you and everyone else knows by now, Chicago has been in the midst of a crimewave over the past few years, culminating in the vicious afterschool beating (to death) of a young Black highschool-aged honors student. The event was captured on one of the bystander’s cellphone camera.

    That was roughly a week ago, and since then, there has been much news coverage and handwringing on the part of city and now federal authorities-today, captured live on CNN, US Attorney General Eric Holder, the Education Sec’y, and Chicago Mayor Daly held a joint press conference:

    NOT ONCE DID THEY MENTION THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT THE SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN CHI-TOWN IS THE LACK OF FATHERS IN THE HOME.

    As Larry Elder said so very well: more Dads, less Crime.

    It’s really as simple as that.

    Yet, the closest anyone has come to saying anything like this in nearly a week of nonstop media coverage, are non-descript words like “community” or “family”-NO!-it takes FATHERS to reign unruly boys, and the single biggest LOSERS of the New Girl Order have been Black Women, and by extension their kids, especially their sons. Singlemommy headed families simply do not work, there’s no getting around this fact, and now I’m asking myself how many more young Black Men are going to need to die before we get this point?

    So, after giving it some thought, yea, I can see where you’re coming from. By the way, perhaps you’ll opine a bit more on the happenings out in the Windy City and how Ladies’ Choice has played a role in what we see occuring there now.

    O

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  131. Damned what a great post.

    It is NOT racist to prefer red-headed white women over mediterranean white women. Its not racist to prefer Arabic women over Asian women or to prefer Indian women over hispanic women.

    Some women like men with very large penises, and some prefer men with no more than six or seven inches.

    PA has stated on this blog he doesn’t like huge breasts, but plenty of men like “titty monsters”.

    Carolyn Hax (aptly named, because she is a fucking hack) had a article in the WaPo recently that excoriated a white woman for admitting that she preferred white men, and basically telling her she was a racist. Gimme a break. No white guy that I know of would ever tell a pretty black girl that she is racist for wanting to date handsome black men at the exclusion of white/asian/hispanic men.

    Different women like different body styles among men. Ive known some gals who liked tall thin men like Mystery. The skinner-the better. Ive also known women who like large-boned-hulking men. There is no word for these kinds of preferences, but even if there was there should not be a “ism” stigma attatched to that preference.

    Several black employees and aquantainces of mine like women with “a little extra” ass bouncing around back there. There is also no “ism” word to describe the phenomena that shames these guys for being inherently more attracted to that particular body style, which is as it should be.

    My favorites? Copper hair, light brown skin, large brown eyes is probably number one.

    However I was once engaged (and very much in love with) a very pale white girl with enormous light blue eyes and very blonde hair cut in a “pageboy” haircut.

    I like brunettes with very white skin, and many blondes with tanned skin. Go figure.

    I like that dark hair/very white skin combo (especially with blue eyes), but also like blondes and copper headed girls who are light brown in complextion with large brown eyes. Go figure.

    I like redheads with very white skin and large brown eyes.

    None of that makes any kind of “color continue” sense, but there it is.

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  132. Agree with Sofia.

    [editor: no surprise there.]

    Some girls are extremely smart in the psychology of men, and know how to not give off those cues. Some girls will even block out their mental like, energies. It’s like they become a different person.

    [my advice to women who want to snag a quality man for marriage is to avoid slutting it up. no matter how smart a woman, or how deft her maneuverings to conceal her past sluttiness, the odds are very good that an alpha (read: experienced man) will be able to correctly peg her whoreishness. now you may get lucky and find an alpha to commit to you who misses all the slut cues, but that wouldn’t be the way to bet.]

    These are the sorts of girls who usually have men wrapped around their fingers.

    [those men are called beta chumps.]

    They are the equivalent of very, very clever politicians… or Alphas in training? These girls often don’t drink much and their every move is deliberate… without seeming so (they are that good).

    [you’d be shocked how perspicacious high status men can be of a woman’s sexual history.]

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  133. There is no-

    “programmed to do..”
    “destined to..”
    “thinking..”

    The universe is based on what is possible at a given moment in time (at a given place) with available inputs.

    Now each situation can have multiple outcomes, with varying degrees of probability. But in the end, the wavefunction will collapse into a single outcome.

    Humans believe in crap such as destiny, big conspiracy theories, religion, philosophy, history, HBD.. and other assorted BS because it allows them to escape the reality of their ephemeral, chaotic and unpredictable existence.

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  134. Obsidian,

    I have a feeling that the lack of black father figures is due to attitudes of black women towards men (and their taste in men).

    As I have always said, actions have consequences.

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  135. Seinfeld: “Elaine, what percentage of people would you say are good-looking?”

    Julia Louis-Dreyfus: “Twenty-five percent?”

    Seinfeld: “Twenty-five percent?”

    Louis-Dreyfus: “Um-hmm.”

    Seinfeld: “No way! It’s like four-to-six percent. It’s a 20-to-1 shot.”

    Louis-Dreyfus: “You’re way off.”

    Seinfeld: “Way off?”

    Louis-Dreyfus: “Yeah.”

    Seinfeld: “Have you been to the motor vehicle bureau? It’s a leper colony down there.”

    Louis-Dreyfus: “So, basically, what you’re saying is 95 percent of the population is un-date-able?”

    Seinfeld: “Un-date-able!”

    Louis-Dreyfus: “Then how are all these people getting together?”

    Seinfeld: “Alcohol.”

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  136. Humans believe in crap such as destiny, big conspiracy theories, religion, philosophy, history, HBD.. and other assorted BS because it allows them to escape the reality of their ephemeral, chaotic and unpredictable existence.

    Dude, how fitting. I’m reading Phaedo right now (and simultaneously refreshing). Wisdom is distinct from bodily truths, man.

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  137. I don’t know, feministicks, I am 39 years old, balding (so I shaved it all off and went proud), and only moderately wealthy (in the $100,000 net worth range), although, I am in fairly decent shape with a BMI of 22… but, I also drive a crappy 19 year old car so that I could invest said money elsewhere (into something that appreciates rather than depreciates). Oh, I don’t make decent money either… the moderate amount money (not real-estate equity) I have has been created by being an aggressive MAN and DOING something about my finances…

    However… since turning thirty years old nearly a decade ago, I noticed that more and more women are coming onto me… in fact, MARRIED women come on to ME in friggin DROVES! I’d have to say that in the past decade, at least one third of women who come on to me are married… lately, it is probably 50/50.

    I like reading about “game”, but, quite honestly I am completely uninterested in approaches, bar game, sarging, or whatnot like that… well, I find it interesting… but I don’t really need it. I get presented with women at this age… by them. From there, it just comes with the conversation and the body language, which blogs like this are great for. At this age, it is pretty common for me to simply go into a slow moving lounge ALONE, and sit ALONE, and more often than not, if there are women in the vicinity, they will find an excuse to approach me. It is very rare at this age that I show up to a lounge and don’t get invited to sit with people who I didn’t know before showing up… not to mention the never ending supply of “Rotating Polyandry” divorcees who’ve let their pussies dry up in passive aggressive sex denial towards their husbands for the past six months, and arrive on the dating market without having a dick in them for a half a year… nor having allowed her ex to even give her a good fucking in the past 2 or 3 years… yes… these women are SOOOOOOOOOOOO rare and hard to find, LOL! They are so common and desperate they become pests! Get away from me with your flabby dairy tits, your C-section scars, and your sagging skin tattoos.

    And yet, you know who I’ve been sleeping with for the past couple of years? A nice, fresh, mid-twenties girl who LIKES cooking, giving backrubs and insists her blowjobs are done to the finish… she even hates feminists more than me, if that is earthly possible.

    Ah yes… you keep telling yourself that you can always snag some guy, and I guess it’s true, because there are loads of homeless men here in Vancouver he would gladly munch some aged rug for a roof over their head and a dry floor to sleep on… yes, you can always go there. Who can’t? Men can go to the lower East side and pick up some scraggly whore with track marks pretty easily too, you know… DUH!

    But, really now, why would a guy like me “trade down” for a bitchy broad like you who’s had more men go down on her than the Titanic, won’t cook, won’t be friendly, bitches about me to her friends, plots against me, shit tests me constantly, thinks she has the right to drain me of my labour and my financial resources for the flimsiest of reasons… and so on, and so on… not only that, but you even brag that you have a personality as horrible as your looks are about to become.

    Myself, I like being this age – once you get over the mid-life crisis, which I think I went through early.

    I’ve never been married, so I’ve dated a LOT and a have been kicked in the balls many a time by a shrewish woman during my beta years… and I ***do*** get it now how much women LOVE LOVE LOVE (lol) to hate and bring HARM to betas.

    There is a massive sexual-cultural shift going on about you, Feministicks, and in case you haven’t noticed… the times they are a changing… the only way that women could POSSIBLY hold onto the type of value they had in the past, was to behave like ladies so that they didn’t piss off enough men in general with their completely amoral sexual habits and rude behaviour… once men start to truly get fed up with women…

    I now laugh.

    I laugh at the girls who used to poke fun of me for losing my hair, back when I was self conscious about it… and now I never fail to point out to the “fairer sex” that they are indeed “wintering well” with age…

    I chuckle at the girls my age, with their double sized bums to match their double sized chins, desperately trying to show off her cleavage to manipulate a man… except, when you see the cleavage now you see that the tit/chest “crease” is no longer softly round, but rather, you can see her tit-crease is flat on her chest… yup, she could pass the 10 pencil test no problem! Not to mention, I don’t really care for the look of a woman’s nipples after she has squatted out a kid… the darker, mannish nipples are, well, a turn off, as are all the other stretches, marks, scars, and the Valtrex in her medicine cabinet.

    Nothing quite surpasses the personality of a woman with Dutch Bum Disease inviting you to her house for a dinner date, and then trying to punish her date for the sins of her husband by demanding her date wash the dishes after she so graciously cooked for him (lol, this usually only happens on our LAST date, btw… don’t need no ball busting bitches, and have little tolerance for the shit tests of a 19 year old coming from a 35 year old).

    Hey toots, I’ve built a not too bad life for myself… and given the legal climate of the modern femini-sick culture we live in, I realize there is a certain amount of risk merely even being in the presence of women… especially bitchy feminist ones… and, while I still enjoy depositing my manly contributions into the dimmer sex, I also do risk-benefit analysis about sex with women, and if I am gonna risk running the gauntlet of anti-male sentiment and laws, and risk destroying the life I’ve built up just for my sexual urge to pound into a pussy… well, I’ll tell ya, toots, the risk-benefit indicates that I’m gonna get me some nice, fresh, polite, eager and willing YOUNG pussy for my money/risk, rather than blowing it on an HPV infected entitlement princess with sagging skin and incontinence issues.

    Old age is brutal for women, unfairly so… just as when the woman was young, she unfairly received status for doing absolutely nothing at all but showing up.

    The flip side is true for men, and like was previously pointed out, by the time men get their sexual value, they have also been beaten around enough by life that they’ve learned a thing or two and developed a pretty tough skin. There are still dumb ones, for sure… but you aren’t attracted to the dumber than a sack of hammers betas who don’t know the first thing about women, are ya?

    Basically, Feministicks, there’s no such thing as a free lunch… even if you believe that charging it to Visa, and paying for it on the never-never plan, means that it is.

    I highly doubt that you will surpass me in mating value… very few women my age actually do, but, I am only 39… even the hottie milfs are losing it fast. I’ll reassess the situation in another 5 years and let you know.

    There’s.

    No.

    Such.

    Thing.

    As.

    A.

    Free.

    Lunch.

    Thank God I’ve already paid for mine… cause this lunch is starting to taste pretty good!

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  138. lovelysexybeauty,

    The supply of stupid men is decreasing by the day.

    In the past, stupid men got some pussy. Now they don’t (or get screwed around).

    Result- They are no longer naive.

    What will you do when the ratio of stupid men to manipulative women crosses a critical threshold? I personally think that it has been crossed a few years ago.

    What can a woman offer a man beyond sex (decent quality) and kids (hopefully his)? If you don’t want rugrats, and are ok with buying sex- what leverage does a woman have?

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  139. You guys can say what you want about Black Chicks but dammit, they do not break down with heavy usage.
    I mean, what have you got if she cannot keep up?

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  140. The findings are easy to explain when not read through the lens of confirmation bias. I clicked the link. OK Cupid used their own users for the survey. Well, there you go. If someone is using a majority-white dating site as their dating site of choice, they’re probably a person who already prefers white people. Self-selection bias.

    At JDate surely average user doesn’t like non-Jews and Jews get best responses no matter what the race of recipients. At Migente.com you’ll find hispanics get best responses. At a black dating site blacks get best responses no matter what the race of recipients. And so on. So to get true picture, gotta do a study across that is more race-neutral. Well hey, someone did just that using speed dating instead of online dating:

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/single-female-seeking-same-race-male/

    WhaIt found that black women are hands down the LEAST likely to date outside their race. So what accounts for the difference in results in two studies? Although they seem to have opposite results, the 2 studies actually make sense taken together and reinforce each other. Because black women are so much more resistant to dating outside their race, for a black woman to get motivated enough to even join a white online dating site in the first place must mean she got an exceptionally unusual desire for nonblack men.

    Same for Indian women. Like commenters mention, Indian women are among least intermarrying group of women alive. Yet OKCupid study says Indian woman don’t like Indian men. It’s same phenomenon as what’s happening with the black women. Precisely because it’s so against their group norms to date interracially, for an Indian woman or black woman to even join a mostly white dating site AT ALL means self-selection for ones with an extraordinarily high disposition to interracial dating. Since black women have hands down most racial dating loyalty as a group, it would take an extraordinarily high desire for interracial dating to even join OK Cupid to begin with. Hence the survey results.

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  141. last comment was me.

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  142. CH said:
    “I would also note from the chart that Middle Eastern men are the biggest horndogs of all races.”

    QFT- Quoted for truth!

    They are the pervs of the internet. Enter a facebook chatroom and they will propisition you for cam chat or webcam sex or something in two seconds. No lie.

    As for interracial relationships:

    I’ve recently discovered that a lot of my male Asian friends have a Hispanic fever of sorts.

    The chart sort of shows that to some extent.

    Although, I don’t know much about Hispanic-Asian interactions. Do those really exist? :/

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  143. I’ve recently discovered that a lot of my male Asian friends have a Hispanic fever of sorts.

    That’s because they saw “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” and internalized the message that cute Asian girls are for Jewish boys, but there is a Puerto Rican hottie waiting for them in the apartment elevator.

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  144. on October 7, 2009 at 7:57 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Oh wowww he read my comment eee exciting… Makes me nervous tho. My comment was a little moody. In most cases I think the truth comes out over time… There’s only so much time someone can put up an act. But I think for some guys, aftet they have invested a lot in a girl and fallen in love, will allow the lie to continue. They don’t want to know. I think promiscuity is unhealthy for most women and not respecting God’s creation, so if men do get smart about picking up cues I think that’s a good thing. In a way its better for the girls holding back for marriage etc. What we have and stand for, by way of self-control and respect for the deep experience s-x is, becomes semi-valuable again. Its frustrating to see liars and other ‘immoral’ people get ahead in life. But that’s the mystery of God’s universe I guess 🙂

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  145. Although, I don’t know much about Hispanic-Asian interactions. Do those really exist? :/

    There are rarities, but you don’t see many. Definitely not as many as black-asian or white-asian.

    Asian women, for the most part, aren’t curvaceous and have the bodies of 10 year-old Asian boys. There are exceptions — particularly with the SE Asian women — but we like our curves!

    Asian men, well, they’re just too beta for Latinas.

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  146. on October 7, 2009 at 8:02 pm lovelysexybeauty

    Also, girls who wrap men around their fingers always make sure the man thinks he’s in charge. Through indirect influence and submissiveness she gets her away – along with through her youth or beauty, etc. If an Alpha thinks he’s in charge, how can he know for sure unless he does absolutely nothing for her ever? Even here people have talked about showing a little vulnerability.

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  147. [my advice to women who want to snag a quality man for marriage is to avoid slutting it up. no matter how smart a woman, or how deft her maneuverings to conceal her past sluttiness, the odds are very good that an alpha (read: experienced man) will be able to correctly peg her whoreishness. now you may get lucky and find an alpha to commit to you who misses all the slut cues, but that wouldn’t be the way to bet.]

    Maybe.

    Though, if we really are past a salvageable threshhold when it comes to the well-being & goodness of society then I advise men and women alike to slut it up.

    Of course, I don’t believe we are.

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  148. fedrz,

    Why don’t you tell us what you really think?

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  149. Lucifer

    Anonymous,

    In addition to SWPL-ization, indian women hate themselves for not being white.

    To me, that is even worse than SWPL-ization.

    Word of the Day: Projection

    One thing that has become abundantly obvious over time is how much Lucy hates himself for not being white.

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  150. @lovelysexybeauty:

    “They don’t want to know. I think promiscuity is unhealthy for most women and not respecting God’s creation, so if men do get smart about picking up cues I think that’s a good thing. In a way its better for the girls holding back for marriage etc.”

    Do you have an e-mail address I could contact you at?

    I’ve had so many questions and I’ve been feeling so lost in regards to my faith due to a recent devastating event in my life. I really don’t feel Him with me anymore.

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  151. I really don’t feel Him with me anymore.

    “There is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else (parents in the case of children, God in the case of adults) has a responsibility to give your life meaning and point.”

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  152. @fedrz above,
    At age 39, with a net worth of only $100,00 it is unlikely you are on any life path to become wealthy. You will notice with age that only the wealthy or very high status men maintain interest with women.

    [editor: fedrz, don’t bother listening to anony. she is a bitter old fat cow whose husband no longer gives her affection. she has been banging this well worn drum since she first found my blog. she is wrong. what you need more than anything is game and a healthy physique as you become an older man. money helps, but having $100K is certainly no hindrance to getting the women you want.]

    With each year, your market value will drop and feministx may l become more attractive to you. Best Wishes.

    [i’m guessing femx has more sexual market value than you.]

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  153. Mandy… Aw sorry to hear, sure girl. Not any wiser than the next girl but will try my best to help… My email is over at girlgame.wordpress .com.

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  154. Uh…. the data, dating scene, sad faces of older friends at younger/white/asian friends etc. weddings speak for him in this post. Every woman that I know who is single over the age of (29) has flipped OUT when I have stated that a GOOD amount of men I’ve known well (family and male friends) have said to me privately “get someone, whoEVER before 30”. The crazy contradictions and one-note wonders that follow that uttered statement, has only proven their points.
    – Original Grace. (OG)

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  155. Lol, anony, as I said, moderate wealth… I didn’t say I was loaded… (Who cares, I live in a Socialist/Steal from the Productive country where the slackers do better than the doers… ask my millionaire widow’d mother, who worked alongside my father in business for 41 years, becoming millionaires, only to see her sister/brother-in-law merely pay off a house in their life, save minimal money, and receive only $300/month less income than all of my mother’s investments! Think I’m gonna follow my Dad into the grave at 69?) and no, you DON’T have to have mega bucks to get laid… and a woman like feministx will only be attractive if she has something I WANT… like a pussy I’d like to fuck. Maybe in another 15 or so years, the money will be more of a factor… however, I know a very alpha guy who is 59 years old, was once worth $1.7 million, lost/blew it all – down to only having $20,000 left – YIKES!… and he still is shagging 30 to 40 year old chicks – and he gets far more sex than most of the 25 to 30 year old guys I know. Lol! He dumped his old wife for a younger model too…

    You’d be surprised how little money actually has to do with it… I’d say boldness and the knowledge that women want to fuck as badly as men goes further than money any day.

    Nothing pains me more than to see men making $100,000/yr, getting hosed for THIRD TIME in marriage by the time he is forty, and quickly latching onto any stupid ho that immediately makes herself available.

    If you don’t play the game of the money chump… you don’t need to bust your ass into an early grave.

    Women are by far a man’s biggest expense… learn to cut down that expense while still getting sex… and enjoy life more. What else are you here for? To make your fucking asshole boss and your bitchy wife happy with your misery? No thanks… I’d have to have skin in the game to be so stupid (ie. a family… thanks for robbing men of that, feminidiots… welcome to your new de-civilization!)

    http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2008/02/questionators-should-women-have-right.html

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  156. Tarl,

    Now go suck some white cock.

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  157. anony,

    Escorts are cheaper than alimony, and you can choose what you want.

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  158. I don’t think guys can get turned on by women over a certain age (30)..

    Utter rubbish.

    Guys ten years older (or more, sometimes quite a bit more) than her do. Big time. If she’s hot of course.

    Actually there are some things about early 30s girls that are the hottest.

    No they aren’t ingenues at all often, and can never pin ingenue regardless. But they can pin being sex bitches. Not always slutty sex bitches.

    Girls in their thirties are usually sex hungrier than girls in their early 20s, and a whole lot less full of themselves. They aren’t always jaded sluts. They are often unbelievably hungry for some alpha d*ck at that age.

    And appreciative.

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  159. Everyone’s forgetting something: who cares if they write you back? Who fucks who, or at least who goes on a date with who is what is interesting.

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  160. “Girls in their thirties are usually sex hungrier than girls in their early 20s, and a whole lot less full of themselves. They aren’t always jaded sluts. They are often unbelievably hungry for some alpha d*ck at that age.”

    No, they are just less choosey because the amount of attention they get has decreased.

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  161. on October 7, 2009 at 10:00 pm levi johnston

    Black men are probably more inclined to spam in these things just like they are in social situations in real life.

    A black male can probably squeeze out 20 or 30 messages along the lines of: “AYYY holla at cha boi D’Andre” during the time it takes Cless Alverin or Whiskey to write one 500-word screed.

    I also wouldn’t look too deeply into data involving small minority races, while OKC is a solid site, thousands of interesting, dateable women, there aren’t a whole lot of indian chicks on there. 4 under 30 in my metro area of 2 million 😦

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  162. Although, I don’t know much about Hispanic-Asian interactions. Do those really exist? :/

    Yes. Right now I’m seeing a half hispanic/half filipino girl.

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  163. on October 7, 2009 at 10:03 pm unlearning genius

    There is absolutely nothing racial here at all. This clearly speaks that women like to date whoever is higher than them in the socioeconomic ladder. And that men like to date whoever it is that will give them the time of the day (unless they are alpha in which case they will be just as selective as the women). The fact that the white race is currently the dominant race implies that the men and women of this race will command a higher value in the market and the data clearly indicates this.

    One interesting thing is that women usually go for online dating to find a provider. So there will of course be some in race preferences displayed on top of the social ladder climbing tendencies.

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  164. lovelysexybeauty–

    If an Alpha thinks he’s in charge, how can he know for sure unless he does absolutely nothing for her ever? Even here people have talked about showing a little vulnerability.

    1) Don’t fall more in love with her than she is with you. Chivalry is crap. Falling in love is wonderful for alpha men too, just not as much in love. Helps to have a much younger girl.

    2) During marriage have separate bank accounts. She she can manage the nitty gritty of the household accounts; good riddance. But she doesn’t get control of all of it; the biggest money; the big increases; the huge bonus. Your success; your control. She’s a very lucky girl to have won you.

    3) prior to marriage a prenup is essential under American anti patriarchal divorce law and divorce frequency. Feminist divorce law. OR tell her to take a hike. Seriously. Totally seriously. She does not get supported with alimony after divorce period. Divorce for any reason. Including you just get sick of her not pleasing you enough any more. She only gets half of your rich earnings during marriage (and never before) if it’s totally your totally trading up or younger and hotter decision to leave her, with about no fault on your side, and then only to some reasonable level if you’re a really mega earner. You are, she isn’t, reject her if she rejects this in the prenup. Period.

    4) Alpha male infidelity should NOT give the wife anything but bare bones payouts in a prenup. Alpha male neglect of his still working hard to be attractive and sexually available wife however maybe should. It’s the natural order of things that alpha males take lovers. Wife’s are lucky to have gotten an alpha. Esp. if he’s also an earner. Such it up girls. Period. (American feminism here beginning with first wave feminism is ABSURD on this subject, and outstanding in the world. In a bad way.)

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  165. Mandy–

    Latin girls can OFTEN be really hot.

    They tend to have a cultural hotness.

    If they also have a looks hotness.

    HOT.

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  166. Well, I’m a fan of Mediterranean women and looking women.

    Both of mine are.

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  167. The notion that there’s something wrong with women having ethnic/cultural/racial preferences or dislikes, or men having the same either, calls into deeply serious question the whole enterprise of shaming people for “racism”.

    Why shouldn’t people have preferences?

    Who seriously maintains that cultures and subcultures don’t matter in sexual and romantic (pair bonding) attraction?

    Should it matter to white girls that her kid will be considered black first of all and in all “get real” considerations most of all by blacks, who tend to get this accepted in schools and other mixed environments, due to the huge “stand down” messages on race to whites of the media culture? Should it matter that that kid will be largely lost to identifying with her white grandparents, the mother’s father and mother, and other ancestors? Should it matter that white girls almost always have to kow tow to black sensibilities, with very very little going in the other direction, in black male / white female marriages, to maintain any kind of harmony or lasting relationship? Should it matter that black men are hugely less reliable earners when married to white women compared to white men, and hugely less loyal in every way?

    Is the whole thing a black male meme and white and other leftist meme campaign more than anything?

    Is there any scientific evidence that American black dicks are longer or thicker than white ones, on average, to zero in on one emotionally laden black male circulated meme? No. The evidence suggests parity, or at most a TINY (like 1/4 -in) black greater length. But its a big meme because black men and women push it; and white omegas and lower betas worry about the humiliation of it. Plus the porn internet has for the last three or so years been REALLY pushing porn around this and other things as the next “dirty”, “taboo”, “unthinkable”, “outrageous” frontier.

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  168. Why shouldn’t people have preferences?

    Just so you know, your preference for banging women is deeply homophobic.

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  169. @mandy- sorry to hear about your bad news – hope you’re OK. feel better soon.

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  170. Black women are unattractive. Another ugly truth.

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  171. OMG! Where do find these pictures?

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  172. -Plus the porn internet has for the last three or so years been REALLY pushing porn around this and other things as the next “dirty”, “taboo”, “unthinkable”, “outrageous” frontier.-

    Well, if you’re looking for reality in mainstream porn, then you’re looking in the wrong place. i.e most women who like other women are buzz-cutted acid wash jean, workboot, plaid wearing ugly dykes who play softball and are somewhat overweight…

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  173. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m1nlh#synopsis

    “Tom Rees has conducted research into religion and personal insecurity in 50 countries. Using figures on how much people pray and how unequal income is in each of them, he claims to have found evidence to show that the most religious societies are the most unequal, and concludes the inequality leads to religion. Is it fear and hardship that makes people of one country more religious than another, or is there a mysterious third factor that can explain why some nations pray so much more than others? Laurie Taylor talks to Tom Rees about his findings, and to sociologist of religion David Voas.”

    What do y’all think?

    This is a correlation that deserves some note an discussion.

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  174. “In no way am I denying the simple fact that being White in America, today in 2009, gives one a leg up out on the dating market, all other factors being equal.

    Obsidian, I recall you insisitng that all factors being equal, black guys have anadvantage over white guys with women. Deion Sanders and all that.”

    Depends on the day and the argument… You’d think he could keep his own bullshit straight, but then again this is the “guy” who a few month ago thought an AK was a sniper rifle.

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  175. Ah, “Morris Dees” is back, I see. Crawled out from under that rock you were hiding, hmm?

    Please read for comprehension as to what I said wrt Deion Sanders, etc. Then read it again. Context, “Morris”. Context.

    And my offer to test out my AK still stands…

    The Obsidian

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  176. In Response to Morris Dees :

    Its been a while since I’ve had a good firearms debate and I’m bored, so here I go…

    AK-74s loaded with quality 5.45x39mm rounds, on benchrest, have been commonly known to hit targets up to 500 meters away with regularity.

    You’re not going to get a record-breaking MOA, but at that range — and from the Kalashnikov family of firearms — that is quite amazing and far surpasses necessary battle accuracy.

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  177. on October 7, 2009 at 11:53 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    A song about HBD, from the Jackson 5:

    Chorus :

    HBD…..Easy as 1, 2, 3

    As simple as Do-Rey-Me, HBD

    That’s how easy Hate can be.

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  178. Lucifer, you are deeply stupid, for a demon.

    You’re going to blame the lack of black father figures on black womens alleged bitchiness and preference for bad-boy types?

    And im sure you blame the elevated levels of divorce in white families on feminism, right?

    For a supposedly right-leaning website, im not seeing much responsibility laid at the feet of male actors.

    Thought perhaps I shouldnt classify this as a conservative site. He just wants poon. But he often goes on rightist jags, the logical conclusions of which would undermine his theory of excess available poon on the market (ending of feminism, etc). They say a cynic is just an idealist with the highest standards. If some girl didnt stomp his heart maybe he’d be writing earnest Decline of the West op-eds for The American Conservative right now.

    We still live in an essentially polygamous society. White folks have to be really rich, and go through a series of fringe socially acceptable legal hoops to manage it. THe first wife gets the most money and greatest license for bitchiness and it decreases from there. Poorer people (lots of blacks, lots of whites too) just sleep with who they want, let the government sort it out. Got shit to do with womens attitudes. Prior to women initiated divorce they had little choice but to endure mens infidelity. Im sure plenty of men here would love to have the social structure in place to return to those golden days. But can you blame women for wanting out?

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  179. on October 7, 2009 at 11:58 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Well, well, well. What have we here?

    When Shaneeqwa calls up a brotha for a booty call, but the brotha is not interested, Shaneeqwa pursues the man, as captured on this photograph here.

    Now, to fully understand black sexuality, view the above photo while playing this song at the same time. The combination of that photo with this song will give you an accurate understanding of black sexuality.

    This is the type of booty that a black dude finds attractive.

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  180. Moloko makes a powerful point about something I too have noticed in this very venue-often those who tout the strongest game for the Conservative/Libertarian cause are the first ones to refuse to take any personal responsibility for their lives. Game, when you really boil it down, is about just that-taking personal responsibility for your own life. If you’re not getting laid as much as you like, that’s no one’s fault but yours, period, end of story-and I am yet again fascinated and baffled at the same time as to why so many guys, who again talk a mean game about Conservatism, seem to become instant Liberals/Socialists when it comes to Game.

    It’s deep, although in fairness to himself, he’s gone on record at least once that the chief reason why most guys won’t-not can’t, but WON’T-learn Game is because they simply are too afraid and refuse to make the changes necessary in order for it to work. From all that I’ve gathered here over the past year or so, I would have to agree with that assessment. I’ve never heard more Men make more excuses, throw up more smokescreens, talk about all manner of completely irrelevant stuff before in my life. And again-this coming from the “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” cohort.

    Like I said, deep.

    The Obsidian

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  181. Not only is okcupid written by clueless (yet pompous) omega nerds, but the forums are filled with them too.

    It’s like two or three guys with PUA knowledge in a sea of nauseating betas and omegas…..and the latter flood the inboxes of any (and I mean ANY) female with the typical complimentary/trying too hard drivel that’s in the heart of their useless comfort zone.

    2s and 3s think they are 7s there; it’s like the online equivalent of the men outnumbering the women 10 to 1 at a bar.

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  182. and that is precisely why all women should be considered as lying, cheating, gold-digging sluts unless demonstrated otherwise

    So in other words, hug, but don’t kiss?

    my advice to women who want to snag a quality man for marriage is to avoid slutting it up

    Hehe, funny joke. That applies at best to women who rank 8 and up. Maybe a few 7s with really good personalities. Otherwise, given the choice between dinky beta herb and slutting it up, the latter makes far more sense.

    Should it matter that black men are hugely less reliable earners when married to white women compared to white men, and hugely less loyal in every way?

    I finally have the perfect excuse to tell my grandmother as to why I don’t have a girlfriend, and why she’ll never see me get married!

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  183. You black guys are ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC:

    If you hired me as your mouthpiece or attorney I could do so much better of a job on your behalf!

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    And hell.

    I’m not even Jewish.

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  184. Obsidian–

    It take you two months to start your own blog????

    I’ve never heard of it taking even an arguably marginally intelligent and motivated white man to take that long.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

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  185. Obsidian’s blog is getting quite the build up. Us chicks had Girl Game up in running in…hmmmm…1 day?

    Course his opening day is Halloween and that’s a party day to be sure. I think we should all show up in costume. I’m going to go as a dumb blond and bring DA as my subhuman pet.

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  186. I’m going to go as a dumb blond and bring DA as my subhuman pet.

    Nails, heels, and makeup, and you’ll have a deal.

    I do get something out of this, right? 😉

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  187. check yo’ self befo’ ya wreck yo’ self.

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  188. on October 8, 2009 at 2:45 am You Know I'm Right

    Race mixing/miscegenation leads to eventual ruin of all culture and civilization. The best parts of the world are those areas which are composed of people who are not of mixed race, i.e. Northwestern Europe, East Asia, White America, White Canada, White Australia/NZ, and so on.

    Look at the parts of the world composed heavily of people of mixed race, places like India, Brazil, North Africa, Central Asia, the non-White parts of Latin America, and so on…they are generally hellholes aside from a few areas which are controlled by unmixed racial types.

    So again, just to restate: race mixing leads to the downfall of peoples and empires and it is best avoided by ALL races.

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  189. [the jury is out on whether indian women age better than white women who don’t overtan or smoke. i haven’t noticed any particularly well-preserved specimens of indian milfs. my experience with superficially in-shape indian women in bed is that they have horrible muscle tone. their skin is loose and the flesh swallows my hand like a warmed bowl of jell-o.]

    I’m pretty skinny fat. The PUA types might like me better if I were 95 lbs and more hard bodied, which i have been in recent years. Personally, I like girls who are very soft. soft and curvy and small. Hard bodies are for men.

    [forget what you look like now. for a peek at how your value will decline, look at your mom.]

    I’ve never looked like my mom. I look like my dad.

    [it’s not a delusion, and it isn’t held solely by hbders. non-nerd types such as yours truly are well aware of the reality that older men who aren’t complete losers have a much better go of it in the dating market than older women.]

    Not for purposes of getting laid. And you don’t seem to get that older is attractive in men because it is associated with greater success. I like older guys. 40s 30s, whatever. But that is because it represents maturity, success, positions of power and prestige in the world. Salt and pepper hair and crows feet are sexy on a guy, but only because it represents how they’ve been on earth long enough to rise to a position of respect. They’ve actualized the ability they were given. Merely getting old is not attractive. If you are a male and you age and you don’t have success to show for it, it’s revolting to me. On some level, I imagine it’s revolting to all women.

    [men with options find mistresses make the accepting go down easier.]

    I hope the options are stripper types. I’m sure willing to share the hot prole trash that I seem to gravitate to, but I wonder if my ability to attract them will wane as I get older. I hope my husband will share with me.

    [grateful betas usually have few demands.]

    I am for alphas, and alphas are for me.

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  190. “[editor: there are more important variables that affect a man’s attractiveness to women than his educational pedigree.]”

    Whatever those variables are, my dad has exactly the right ones. He’s easily one of the top ten best guys alive on the earth today. My step mom is extremely nice too.

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  191. on October 8, 2009 at 3:29 am Cannon's Canon

    surely, women of any color would respond to a message from this black man

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  192. Ladies, look at this:

    “I don’t know, feministicks, I am 39 years old, balding (so I shaved it all off and went proud), and only moderately wealthy (in the $100,000 net worth range), although, I am in fairly decent shape with a BMI of 22… but, I also drive a crappy 19 year old car so that I could invest said money elsewhere (into something that appreciates rather than depreciates). Oh, I don’t make decent money either… the moderate amount money (not real-estate equity)”

    And then look at this:

    “And yet, you know who I’ve been sleeping with for the past couple of years? A nice, fresh, mid-twenties girl who LIKES cooking, giving backrubs and insists her blowjobs are done to the finish… she even hates feminists more than me, if that is earthly possible. ”

    Ladies, I never give advice to y’all. But I will tell you this and take it to heart. That is exactly what happens to women that hate feminists. As per the last thread, the feminist “shit test” maxim is: tell men that patriarchal gender norms are evil and constructed. The men that insist on adhering to their dominant patriarchal gender norm and do it skillfully are the alphas. They are the most attractive.

    Here is the almost contrapositive maxim, which is what is relevant to the ladies- Feminist self test part one: if you hate feminists and adore men just because they are men, you will be in a very poor position to discern which men are worth your attention. There are foolish girls out there, the ones that claim they hate feminists or that they don’t like modern women. They claim they like men much more instead for whatever reason. And fed is exactly the type of guy they end up with because in their deluded self loathing heads they think even an omega male is greater than an alpha female.

    This guy is pathetic. 100K at 39? No good job? 19 yr old car? No shit this dude wouldn’t get a back rub from me. This guy wouldn’t get more than a polite nod from me. When I was 25, my 35 yr old boyfriend owned a car that was worth more than that net worth. And this loser who rants on and on with this incoherent disorganized crap has some subservient girl in her 20s waiting on him. Good for you man, more power to you, but ladies, you’ve got to know: there are 3 billion men out in the world, and you only need one at a time. You want one for the rest of your whole life if you are wise. You might as well be cold as ice to 99% of men. The concept of alpha beta omega requires that alpha rules as the winner. The winner is the minority. In other words, most men are losers.

    If you dislike men, spurn them for all major flaws and most minor flaws, the ones that pass that shit test will be the best ones. In my case, the ones are the most all around alphas- guys who dominate in the corporate sphere and the sexual sphere. It’s true that my standards are almost impossibly high, but I don’t have trouble finding boyfriends that meet them. And one day within the next few years, I will get a wedding ring too. I’m determined. It is an infinitely better position than this idiot woman that worhsips the ground any man walks on and allows herself to pamper some useless old fart that will probably never be an able provider and husband for her. And even if he is, the kids won’t exactly be lucking out in the genetic lottery.

    Bud Fedrz is right. A man without money and with game can def land much younger women. There are too many women that don’t have the self respect to realize that merely acting like a guy is not good enough to make a guy worthwhile.

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  193. Lol!

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  194. on October 8, 2009 at 3:59 am Cannon's Canon

    do you like feministicks?

    do you like to put feministdicks IN YOUR MOUTH??

    dude… you’re a gay feminist.

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  195. Feminists are idiots… I mean, are we still talking about the stupidity of these reality denying morons?

    Come on now… I thought we were gonna move into the intelligentsia portion of this discussion, rather than devolve into feminidiot101a.

    What can you say though… a woman bitches like a dog barks… you can either get angry, or come to expect it.

    Just remember… don’t let them move in with you… because once the camel get’s its head in the tent…. you can be assured that your possessions will get strewn across the desert before you get her out.

    You’re only good for your cunt, feministix, this is by your own admission… why don’t you go to work now, and shut the secondary lips. (Hey, I’m not the one who said her only value was her pussy… she did!)

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  196. on October 8, 2009 at 7:12 am Cannon's Canon

    photos from mr. valenti’s wedding; hahaha enjoy!

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  197. on October 8, 2009 at 7:16 am Cannon's Canon

    my god… he is not smiling in ANY of the photos…

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  198. But I will tell you this and take it to heart. That is exactly what happens to women that hate feminists. As per the last thread, the feminist “shit test” maxim is: tell men that patriarchal gender norms are evil and constructed. The men that insist on adhering to their dominant patriarchal gender norm and do it skillfully are the alphas. They are the most attractive

    this is the first tme that femX gave an advice to women that is not highly damaging and destructive to them in the long run. the thing is, imposing yourself over women and sending them to the kitchen to cook for you, with by their side teasing them, makes women horny and happy. Patriachalism makes women happy. well done, femX. I totally agree with you, the guy is a loser and his girl got screwed by her anti-feminist beliefs. SUpposing what he says is true, the girl could have done much better

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  199. Game, when you really boil it down, is about just that-taking personal responsibility for your own life. If you’re not getting laid as much as you like, that’s no one’s fault but yours,

    Obsidian now has written into stone that there can be no criticism of blacks that isn´t rooted of sexual frustration. Since I was one of, if not the first here to relate white nationalism and anti-semitism and sexual frustration , I wonder if he got the irony of making my position, of all people here, his personal feel-good dogma

    I also made clear here my position that both white nationalism and anti-semitism (which should be taken as synonyms) are uncool, thus inneffective and I want both to get cooler to turn them once again into effective movements

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  200. on October 8, 2009 at 8:15 am Mil-tech Bard

    This was a reply I got to the OKCupid post that you used to kick off this thread.

    It appears there is an on-line dating market for male ubbergeeky lower Beta & Omega providers who are being stalked by geek-girls

    >Targeted online dating marketing found its natural niche
    >in SoulGeek.com A dating site for geeks.
    >
    >’How many manga figurines do you own?’ being one of
    >the questions.*
    >
    >Guys who have high numbers get high hits. From girls.
    >
    >Some of whom are, yes, very hot. And very geeky.

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  201. Online dating goes against the greatest aspects of romance.

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  202. Obsidian is right in one thing. Being born white thus gives you many advantages, including higher IQ than anybody else but Jews and higher T levels than all but blacks. And white friedns who got those advantages without even asking

    SO much of the tax evasion hysteria that swept accross the US and Americans gladly exported for the World is actually rooted in racial resentment of Blacks for being unable to do what white men do , like earning money without milking others ( see “Prince George county”, MD, for an example of wealth based on milking others) and female resentment of male superiority, because there can never be quotas for creating stuff. Male, and specially white male superiority in creating stuff, managing risks allocating resources in unmatched. I repeat, you will never see quotas for creation and risk management. I concede that Bhramins should be counted as white here, with exceptions (i.e Lucifer)

    White male superiority is rooted on that, and that HURTS Blacks and Women who deny reality a lot. Therefore tax evasion hysteria and overtaxation policies. To add insult to injury, high taxes on high earners hurt the middle classes the most, by reducing jobs available and reducing payment in the jobs created. And those taxes are transfered to the parasitic classes, which are waaay uglier tha the white middle classes who mostly do productive jobs

    Pro tax fundamentalism is rooted on envy, envy augmented by a whole life based on pretty lies. High taxes are dysgenic because they hurt the beautiful and the smart the most, and subsidyze the ugly, the dumb, the lazy.

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  203. @Fedrz,

    [editor: fedrz, don’t bother listening to anony. she ………………whose husband no longer gives her affection………….. money helps, but having $100K is certainly no hindrance to getting the women you want.]

    anony’s husband has heard “jeez, MD, you married out of your league”…..more than once. no shortage of affection.

    I’d rephrase that line, “game and a fit body help, but having money will attract the sane, competent women who are looking out for the best interests of their future children.”

    perhaps if she has no interest in children, money will be of less concern to her.

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  204. Late to the party here, but my experience with Asian and Indian women has been the opposite: on average, it is easiest for me to bed them versus white chicks (black chicks are mostly unattractive).

    Then again, it may be my own special case. Although i do not have a preference racially(I accept all attractive ladies equally for my cock), my freinds in college used to call me the Asian cracker. If there were a group of girls, and one was asian, inevitably she came and talked to me if my friends waded in.

    It got so predictable (and my college had a lot of asians) that I actually grew tired of them, something most guys dropped their jaws at—yellow fever is alive.

    The few times an Indian girl has been out (not a lot at my places) I have bedded them with far more ease than whites as well. I had an Indian liking for a while and had no problems there.

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  205. In Response to gig :

    Absolutely nothing you just typed about taxes and your feelings about the ‘Culture of Taxation’ has any empirical data supporting it.

    Even your comments about Prince Georges County, MD. — I am not able to find a shred of evidence that the majority of its black residency is employed in civil, municipal or social services.

    Even if they were employed in a higher field such as the Federal Government, why would you knowingly ignore the rest of the communities and neighborhoods within Virginia, Washington D.C. and Maryland filled with Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, DOD Employees, FBI Agents, CIA Agents, Congress support staff, Other Government Agency support staff, Lobbyists, etc.

    Is their assumed prosperity somehow made ‘clean’ in your eyes by the equally absurd assumption that they must be white and somehow ultra-contributing to our civilization?

    Obsidian’s previous point IS valid — The level of willing ignorance among the Human Bio-Diversity Crowd is shocking. Even though I take the liberty in probing into their cognitive dissonance here, I know — pleasurably — that if any of them were to make a foray into established hard science or social science academia, they would be laughed at and casted into shame.

    You speak of an inability to come to terms with reality, but I wonder if you suffer from the same condition?

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  206. feminstX.blogsplot.com calculated

    This guy is pathetic. 100K at 39? No good job? 19 yr old car? No shit this dude wouldn’t get a back rub from me. This guy wouldn’t get more than a polite nod from me. When I was 25, my 35 yr old boyfriend owned a car that was worth more than that net worth.

    I thank this blog (and especially this thread) for opening my eyes.

    I never knew Indian females only obsessed over a guy’s

    paycheck car.

    All those wonderful, awesome 15 year marriages I see amongst them at age 40 is proof how successful Indian women are at supporting his career, and how much he values unusual sexual fetishes in his wife-soul mate.

    true love
    isn’t dead

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  207. Guys with no experience with women can’t tell if women are slutty or not. Guys with experience can.

    OK, well, you guys can make this claim, but it’s just not verifiable. Sorry.

    Exactly.

    Keep telling us that an “experienced” man always knows and we’ll keep telling you that a “smart” girl can fool anyone.

    PS- at least his slut tells entry involved actual sexual behavior and not just political leanings, tattoos, or daddies.

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  208. WTF –

    I think those guys are Cannon’s wingmen.

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  209. Well, feministicks and anony,

    I am already sleeping with a woman in the bloom of her youth, despite you threatening to keep your mitts off my back for my lack of financial status… lol! Oh please, no, don’t threaten to cut off my backrubs because I refuse to piss money down the drain on a fucking car that sits in the underground for 6 out of 7 days – until grocery day. Lol. Only an idiot would drop bucks on a depreciating tool he only uses for an hour or two a week. Apparently, you two are examples of such idiots… no wonder the West is falling behind!

    “No-car game” rocks, seriously. There is quite a bit of power, I believe, in showing up on foot – being that your CAR is not what makes the impression, but rather you and the way you carry yourself does. You can walk to pretty much everything in the downtown core within 15 or 20 minutes… and, lol, it usually takes 15 minutes to find a parking spot for your car anyways… most people I know don’t drive or own a car at all, not even my surgeon friend. Lol.

    I have one friend, a mere pauper of a bartender (who, btw, does not come to within 1/5th of my “paltry” net worth), and he often talks about how much he likes “no-car game”, and btw, this guy gets the “tarts”, as he calls them… I estimate he nails a minimum of two new women each month, but possibly more… he’s got enough floozies to spare that if he invites me out with him for drinks or something, he rarely fails to have a woman on his arm, and one waiting for me at the table to flirt with… the day after my father died, he sent two of his girls to my apartment to “cheer me up” – they were lez’s who occassionally like to mix a little cock into their wrestling matches. Yup, tell me again that my friend, with no car, and very little money, is not a wealthy man in his own right.

    My car is used for getting groceries.

    My money is for me, and only me… meaning I need less of it.

    My cock is for fresh young stuff… meaning no gold-digging, middle age sluts when there are far more current models available with less mileage.

    My life is my own, and no money grubbing harpy is going to convince me to jump on the fucking hamster wheel for her… equal rights, get the fuck on that thing yourself and make your own goddamn money.

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  210. “I am not able to find a shred of evidence”

    Famous last words. LOL.

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  211. I agree that alot of extremism has to got to do with lack of sexual access. If i am allowed to have a go and take a guess; afew of the people that are having a go at obsidian is because of sexual jealousy.
    They have seen afew too many black dudes getting QUALITY white pussy, and they look at themselves and think I aint getting any of that. And to boot to their mind the black is ugly too. So how did he get the chick? Me, I dont know but thats beside the point.
    And dont go saying they get the fat ones, cause you know our eyes aren’t lying. I see it and you see it right infront of us. Also if they were the ugly ones you know you wouldnt be that bothered. its the fact they are scoring quality or average girl next door, despite you believing you are better looking than them and most definately you having a better career than them.

    But, but…..their is a silver lining somewhere. The vast majority of these girls will come back to you when they are ready to get married so dont stress too much. Its just a phase they are going through.

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  212. wow fedrz, you sound like a real treat.

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  213. Thanks, anoukange… I am.

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  214. on October 8, 2009 at 11:53 am Marcus Aureliette

    My life is my own, and no money grubbing harpy is going to convince me to jump on the fucking hamster wheel for her… equal rights, get the fuck on that thing yourself and make your own goddamn money.

    Amen, sister!

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  215. If there is any question that women can be as big or bigger jerks than men, I refer you to feminstX’s last rant.

    Why on earth would any healthy man, alpha or not, want to spend much quality time with such a self-absorbed black hole of a soul? Such a feigned high opinion of herself while simultaneously firing off her insecurities like projectiles. She has a lot to learn.

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  216. on October 8, 2009 at 1:01 pm fuck your alpha

    what you girls on the site don’t realize is that you select where you go out so that you are relatively young and attractive there. you aren’t out at pink elephant on saturday because you’d be the fucking ugliest bitch in there (if they let you in). so you are playing with a nice advantage, and good for you for doing so! the thing is you think you are clever and all that for hitting open layups, but if you play without the advantage, and that will be the case once you get a lil older, you won’t get jack fuck for serious attention from men. there are millions of older or uglier flirty women who will get attention from men, but it isn’t really serious, it will either result in a total first night lay or fuck all. you don’t want to be that old boozy bitch, so saddle up and settle down with whatever guy you can trick today!

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  217. on October 8, 2009 at 1:08 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Doug writes:

    Is there any scientific evidence that American black dicks are longer or thicker than white ones, on average, to zero in on one emotionally laden black male circulated meme? No.

    Actually, there is certainly evidence that black penises are thicker. The UN International Organisation for Standardization recommends different condom sizes for different zones:

    49-mm flat width condom for Asia
    52-mm flat width condom for North America and Europe;
    53-mm flat width condom for Africa

    Source: J. Philippe Rushton, ‘Race, Evolution and Behavior’ (1995), page 167

    See also the fascinating article in BBC online entitled ‘Condoms ‘too big’ for Indian men :

    A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
    The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms….

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm

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  218. “In fact, I’d make a serious argument that of all the Black Men in this venue, including Dave Alex, we all strive to be gents, while many of our White brothers actually strive to be jerks”

    If you made this argument, I’d agree with you. I’ve never been disrespected by a black guy and I rarely hear them talk about women in the demeaning, bitter way that most young white guys of my acquaintance seem to. Maybe because they don’t have as much trouble getting laid.

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  219. on October 8, 2009 at 1:25 pm Carolus Reconditus

    P.S.

    Details on racial penis size can be found here:

    Scientific Penis Measurement Studies and Statistics

    http://lonewolfmeasures.blogspot.com/?zx=f5523f96044e17c6

    Extract:

    19th century French Army surgeon and anthropologist Dr. Jacobus Sutor wrote numerous sexological studies under the pseudonyms Jacobus X and Louis Jacolliot. Published in 1935, Dr. Sutor’s study “L’Ethnologie du Sens Genitale” recorded cocks up to 12 inches long. In his survey he detected definite cock size differences on a basis of race. The largest Arab cocks were found to be between 8 and 10 inches. Regarding blacks, he wrote: “The penis is almost as large when flabby as it is in a state of erection. It is among the Muslim Sudanese that I found the most developed phallus, and notable one of the maximum dimensions, being nearly 12 inches in length by a diameter of 2 1/4 inches. This was a terrific machine, and except for a slight difference in length, was more like the penis of a donkey than that of a man. The unfortunate Negro who possessed this spike could not find a Negress large enough to receive him with pleasure, and he was an object of terror to all the feminine sex.” He concluded that the “Sudanese Negro possesses the largest genital organ of all the races of mankind”.

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  220. Obsidian

    Doug,
    You had asked why its taking me so long to launch my blog. Simple-because I can start my blog anytime I fucking want, that’s why. It ain’t got nothing to do with nothing other than the simple fact that I do things on MY schedule, no one else’s.

    That Doug
    Insinuating
    you do things on
    Black Folks Time
    that’s not right
    and whatnot

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  221. uh oh
    a race thread…
    with scientific
    penis measurement stats

    rly mout
    SRSLY

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  222. Bonnie,

    I’ve never been disrespected by an asian girl and I rarely hear them talk about men in the demeaning, bitter way that most young white girls of my acquaintance seem to. Maybe because they don’t have as much trouble getting commitment and marriage from men.

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  223. Well after coming back and reading the thread, I must say that while most of the discussion is well reasoned and entertaining, some of it is ignorant and downright disturbing.

    You Know I’m Right: Iceland, the financial powerhouse that they are, is famous for its static gene pool. I can see why you think the US, historically a downtrodden racial and cultural melting pot of a nation, should seek to emulate them if we wish to ascend to global economic and military dominance.

    Cannon’s Cannon: You sir, are a douche bag, and you are not funny. I can imagine a thin, silvery sliver of drool hanging from the corner of a mouth fixed in smug self satisfaction below two sunken eyes glazed over with the hazy sheen of mental retardation, pulsating like a string on a discordant harp as you hunt and emphatically peck the keys of your keyboard, laughing at your own lame jokes. If you’re gonna be an asshole, do it with class and panache. Douche bag + unfunny = scumbag.

    Mu’MIN seeks fat WuMIN: has a larger festering boil on the rectum of society ever existed?

    One big point that you guys fail to address in all this race debate is that there is a wealth gap between African Americans and whites. It does not exist because of any general ineptitude on the part of black people, but is the legacy of the systematic disenfranchisement of blacks that took place over the course of early and recent US history. The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations. The end of slavery is only 5 generations behind us. It was only during our parents’ time that black were allowed to fully participate in society. Things are changing, but it will take time.

    One factor that you forget about that may limit dating between certain races is political ideology. Blacks and Hispanics tend to be liberal. Whites and Asians tend to be more conservative. I’m guessing that

    And many blacks’ support for the Democratic party (for all their offensively patronizing ‘noble savage’ rhetoric) has nothing to do with a nanny welfare state or anything like that. It is because we and our parents remember the Repugnican party running on a platform opposing the Civil Rights Act, have witnessed a steady stream of corrosive racial divisive rhetoric spewing from the dying carcass of the GOP, and have gotten the message that conservatives by and large don’t like us. If you want to win black votes you should tell people at your political rallies not to show up with stuffed monkeys hanging from nooses, and go back to being the party of financial responsibility (as opposed to the party of the free lunch).

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  224. The Specimen

    …there is a wealth gap between African Americans and whites. It does not exist because of any general ineptitude on the part of black people, but is the legacy of the systematic disenfranchisement of blacks that took place over the course of early and recent US history.

    The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations. The end of slavery is only 5 generations behind us.

    Tell it.
    It’s only been like 150 years and whatnot – what they expect from us?

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  225. Re: FemX’s opinions

    Interesting. Fine with being choosy about the men you are involved with, but why use his current earning power as a judge of his worthiness? Are there not other qualities that make a stronger show of a good partner, such as potential success, character, and reputation? However, women overall would do well to increase their standards of with whom they’ll become physically and emotionally involved.

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  226. I’m saying that slavery was the establishment of the economic inequality between blacks and white in America, and discrimination was system to perpetuate it. We’re 150 years from slavery, but only 50 years (our parents’ generation) away from being allowed to buy or rent house or commercial space outside of the ghetto (generally polluted land in industrial areas). Because of the wealth gap, blacks do not at the moment have access to the same kinds of connections to financing or other opportunities as other ethnic groups do. Things are changing and the gap will narrow, but like I said wealth is built over generations. It will take time.

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  227. If you’re really interested in the subject of penis size, this is the best site on the topic:

    http://www.mattersofsize.com

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  228. The Specimen writes:

    “The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations.”

    “Because of the wealth gap, blacks do not at the moment have access to the same kinds of connections to financing or other opportunities as other ethnic groups do. Things are changing and the gap will narrow, but like I said wealth is built over generations. It will take time.”

    Wealth and income are not the same thing. Wealth consists of net assets. Most whites don’t have wealth. Most whites don’t start off with wealth. They generate income. If you can’t even understand this difference and distinguish between the two, you have no credibility in discussing this issue. You’re just spouting half-baked PC boilerplate.

    I do agree with you on one thing though – the gap will certainly narrow. It will narrow due to transfers and the continued deprivation of the middle class.

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  229. Dreamer

    Re: FemX’s opinions

    Interesting. Fine with being choosy about the men you are involved with, but why use his current earning power as a judge of his worthiness? Are there not other qualities that make a stronger show of a good partner, such as potential success, character, and reputation?

    Indian women love to sniff around here – why, I don’t care to imagine.

    Your name is apropos.

    All Indian women can be decoded in the lyrics of Benny Bennassi’s I Love my Sex. Hot video eyecandy bitches, provided gratis, by Firepower. See if you can spot llsb, femx and sofia in there somewhere.

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  230. on October 8, 2009 at 3:03 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations. The end of slavery is only 5 generations behind us.”””””””

    People who say shit like this are near retarded on the mental spectrum. It takes a few years to generate wealth moron.

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  231. on October 8, 2009 at 3:05 pm gunslingergregi

    Oh and size doesn’t matter they still beg you to have your kid. Like real begging over and over.

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  232. on October 8, 2009 at 3:06 pm gunslingergregi

    Got the bitch begging for the dick. Shit is funny. Not gonna give it to her though since I am a born again virgin in us.

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  233. on October 8, 2009 at 3:07 pm 54-Year-Old-Virgin

    What the feck actually is a “Pacific Islander”??They seem to get a lot of attention. black males seem especially excited by them. Is that hawaiians–who seem to me to be a tad ugly;or Samoans or some shit?? You want a woman who looks like the Rock?? Great take on this story which is being passed back and forth across the interenet sites like Paris Hilton in the Lakers lockeroom.

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  234. half-baked PC boilerplate

    Oh the irony of that phrase.

    I didn’t say that all or even the majority of white people start off especially wealthy. Your average middle class white family is exactly that, middle class. However, the assets possessed by the average middle class family are indeed substantial in comparison to poor families. Wealth inequality often leads to income inequality. Middle class children have better access to education and opportunities for higher paying jobs than poor children. This doesn’t just apply to black or hispanic people, but also to poor white people too.

    For most of US history race and class have been inextricably linked for blacks. A high degree of class mobility has always been one of the characteristics of American society, but before that wasn’t the case for blacks. Because of racial discrimination, the playing field was tilted (notwithstanding the existing wealth gap), and blacks were relegated to the lower social classes.

    Right now we’re starting to see a decoupling of class from race. After the de jure prohibition of racial discrimination we have seen an rise in the number of middle class black folks. This is what I mean about the narrowing of the wealth gap.

    So who exactly are they transferring all the wealth to then? You ever looked at the medicare deduction on your checkstub.

    BTW, the most annoying thing that us middle class black folks see other ethnic groups doing is conflating race with class. It’s just as annoying and ignorant as a black person trying saying that all white people are racist.

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  235. The Specimen,

    So we don’t waste any more time pointlessly arguing between conclusions deduced from premises that contradict each other, let me ask you one question.

    Do you believe in human neurological uniformity? That is, do you believe that modern human subpopulations are neurologically uniform, and that genetic differences between subpopulations (or races, if the term is even acknowledged) are of no behavioral significance?

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  236. @Gunslinger. Saying that it usually takes several generations to build wealth doesn’t mean that it can’t be done faster. Anyone can get lucky and hit the Lotto or start a wildly successful company. However, these are infrequent occurrences. The quintessential American story goes: immigrant comes with nothing and works hard so kids can do better than them, kids work hard so their kids can do better than them, and each subsequent generation does better than the one before, leveraging the wealth of the previous generation to acquire more wealth. BTW, in the future try not to confuse ad hominem with a valid argument you mumbling, vapid, oft penetrated dunce.

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  237. The Specimen,
    Of course what you say is on point, and at the same time that, today on CNN, they’re showing First Lady Michelle Obama’s Slavery roots, extending back five generations; interestingly enough, her great-great grandmother, a slave girl, eventually hooked up with a White Man-and the rest as they say, is history.

    But as we both know, the Cognitive Dissonance among the multitude here will continue unabated, and besides, I have an even better question for my erstwhile White brothers; and that is this:

    We are often told, that Black Men specialize in “low class” “Black Game”. Yet, such comments are uttered all the time in a forum where its owner is an unabashed proponent of what he calls “Asshole Game”. Moreover, Tucker Max-a White guy, mind you-is seen by many as a hero to emulate, rather than as an asshole to be ridiculed.

    [editor: max is no hero. he is an asshole, yes, a certain kind of asshole — funny, arrogant, mischievous. uncaring asshole game is what max runs. and it works on women.]

    Meanwhile, virtually ALL of the Black Men who’ve ever participated in this forum-myself, Ruby, yourself, T aka Ricky Raw, Joe, even Dave Alex-ALL of us seem to strive to be gents. Our White brothers here-they seem to strive to be, well, jerks.

    What is up with that?

    [blacks who are jerks will do better with women than niceguy blacks, particularly with black women. but since blacks enjoy a generic masculinity advantage at the get-go (body, face, cultural sterotype) they run a higher risk than whites of hurting their chances with white women by being assholes. they can literally scare them off with their aggressive non-subtle style of holla game. there are probably fewer niceguy blacks than niceguy whites, proportionately.]

    Let’s see if we can get some straight talk on that one…heh heh…

    The Obsidian

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  238. Dr. Poussaint was right: Racism is a DISEASE

    I didn´t know why Obsidian generated such bad feelings in me. Unlike me, he makes his best to be polite even in face of the strongest discordance. He has kind words and seems to care about the o m e g a s who appear here time and again. But still the guy always made my blood boil. I have this kind of female sixth sense, I feel people, and I cannot understate how much it did help me in life, with women and men, pleasure and work. I always felt something was between his lines because his “official” discurse simply couldn´t create such feelings

    So I went after this Dr Poussaint. And his quote is correct. The guy is a psycho in Harvard, and a proponent that “racism” is a disease warranting treatment. He is the intelectual foundation upon which guys like Sakho Vedantam think that stuff like Ritalin should be administered into “homophobes” and “racists”. I have never measured the tone of my racist comments here, and I have been tremendously patronyzing towards blacks. Yet I never advocated what this Poussaint/Vedantam guys propose. I have always maintained that whites should not pay for blacks and blacks should live on what they can earn

    The guy revealed himself. Now I know why I feel the way I feel whenever he appears. Because he is exactly what I felt he was.

    A Hindu would consider Obsidian exactly the kind of person that should appear during the Age of Kali. And in Hindu terms, we are living Kali Yuga, for sure. Obsidian is the cool face of the antithesis of civilization.

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  239. I think that if you took the entire world’s population and looked at the distribution of “level of intelligence” (which is difficult to define) it would be a Gaussian (random) distribution as opposed to multimodal – which is what it would look like if there were differences in “level of intelligence” between races. In fact, the entire notion of the intelligence quotient is intrinsically linked to the observation that the distribution of “intelligence level” is Gaussian.

    So in a word, yes I do believe that the distribution of innate level of intelligence (if such a thing could ever really be measured) of any large enough subpopulation (on the order of a large fraction of the entire population) not specifically selected by IQ would look virtually identical to the overall distribution. You could do it by race or continent and the results would be the same.

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  240. I like to try to steer clear of this side of Race Discussion because it allows one side to blame the other for just about everything, but, The Specimen is absolutely right.

    Here are some figures that show that ‘subsidies of whites’ in this country have been as powerful and recent as he speaks of:

    * FHA and VA Loans were White-Only During the 40’s and 50’s and pretty much BUILT the white middle class in the U.S.

    * Whites were the only ones who were able to receive the 270 million acres of land GIVEN away by the Homestead Act.

    * Only White Soldiers, Sailors, Marines & Airmen were able to use G.I. Bill benefits post-WWII, which opened up higher education to many in the lower echelons of society in the U.S., where collegiate level education was cost prohibitive.

    There are many more examples, but I want to see the initial response of those arguing that racism and ‘white subsidies’ had little to no effect on the conditions and challenges of Black Americans today, first.

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  241. Carolus Reconditus

    Actually, there is certainly evidence that black penises are thicker. The UN International Organisation for Standardization recommends different condom sizes for different zones:

    49-mm flat width condom for Asia
    52-mm flat width condom for North America and Europe;
    53-mm flat width condom for Africa

    I was aware of that. However the difference particularly between blacks and whites which is what I dismissed, is essentially zip.

    1 mm = 0.04 inches (or slightly less) diameter difference in thickness. ~ identical.

    Your quoted 19th century passage is obviously garbage as is that web page of “scientific studies”. Mostly tiny sample sizes and results all over the place.

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  242. on October 8, 2009 at 4:58 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””The Specimen
    @Gunslinger. Saying that it usually takes several generations to build wealth doesn’t mean that it can’t be done faster. Anyone can get lucky and hit the Lotto or start a wildly successful company. However, these are infrequent occurrences. The quintessential American story goes: immigrant comes with nothing and works hard so kids can do better than them, kids work hard so their kids can do better than them, and each subsequent generation does better than the one before, leveraging the wealth of the previous generation to acquire more wealth. BTW, in the future try not to confuse ad hominem with a valid argument you mumbling, vapid, oft penetrated dunce.”””””””””””

    No you are a moron for using the lucky and lottery and also you are a lazy moron bad combination. Yea people get lucky but all you have to do to become wealthy is work 84 hours a week for some years and save the money and bam wealthy. This can be anyone doesn’t have to be lucky at all. I stand by my assertion that you are a moron. Not ad hominem at all it was the truth. Yours of course was Ad Hominem see the the difference ya fucking moron he he he

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  243. on October 8, 2009 at 5:01 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””Obsidian
    The Specimen,
    Of course what you say is on point,
    ”””””””’

    Obsid a moron too. Dam dude why don’t ya go grab a clue and wuite pissing and moning about blackness and do something productive.

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  244. on October 8, 2009 at 5:04 pm gunslingergregi

    Obsids dream,
    “””””I wish I could be succesful but it takes generations oh god why did whity make it like this.”””””””””

    Its called life man the shits easy except when its not but ya can do it by yourself in under 10 years you can be chilling wherever you want and that includes niggers hispanics and everyone else. Unless your saying niggers are to stupid to work for ten years and save money. Except niggers are getting the government jobs where they work 20 years as a bus driver and then get a retirement for 80k a year so they don’t even have to save money to do it. Whitey made it that easy for niggers. So why don’t ya quut being such a dumb nigger and jump on the gravy train.

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  245. Pouissant was simply extending and revitalizing in the area of race, the cultural Marxist (Frankfort school) program of pathologizing anything opposed or resistant to Marxist “progress”. See Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse of 60s new left fame and influence.

    The whole program is of course fundamentally absurd and deeply manipulative. It was however quite influential until I’d say the later 80s when it mostly went out of vogue as a of any cutting edge explanatory power. To a large extent though it became a part of PC mainstream dogma that white racism (unlike anyone else’s racism such as black racism or Chinese racism) is pathological.

    Tribalism is a human instinct. It is somewhat plastic – see the way people especially men in this case become fiercely loyal to their city’s or their city growing up’s sports team — event though the majority of the athletes are from different parts of the country, and change quite frequently. But it’s a strong force.

    [editor: if racism is a disease then so is the sex drive.]

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  246. @Gunslinger

    84 hours a week of hard labor for years on end is no guarantee that one will become wealthy. I’m sure there are plenty of migrant farm workers and double shift working single mothers that will agree with me on this one. It’s funny how people always want to take credit for success and blame failure on bad fortune. There are elements of both luck and self determination in any success or failure. Starting a successful business or career is just as much a function of being in the right place at the right time and meeting the right people as it is working hard.

    Of course, I’m sure you grew up a dirt poor urchin of the street, scrounging, scraping, and stealing for for every morsel of food, never sure when your next meal would come. You did it all on your own and nobody nobody ever gave you nothin’. Not food, not clothes, not an education, not a home, handshake, hug, or a hand doing your homework, nothin’ Nothin’ NOTHIN’!!!

    BTW, never having the misfortune of seeing someone work themselves to death for a pittance is the definition of privilege.

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  247. Why is it that virtually ALL the Black Men here strive to be gents, and at the very least, a goodly number of White guys here, strive to be jerks-but swear up and down that Black Men, and ONLY Black Men, are the standard bearers and apostles of “low class” Game?

    the average black male has only the lowest of low class game. the average black male does not come here. blacks are the upper echelon among blacks wrt manners and IQ

    about white guys being jerks, haven´t you noticed how damaging to whites both in America and around the World Obama is? And how whites are – still – forbidden to call him on that? Or did you think a new age of understanding between the races would come once a Black Affirmative Action Supremacist become the President of the US?

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  248. Gig, you’re changing the goalposts. You haven’t answered WHY White guys like you STRIVE TO BE ASSHOLES, while accusing All Black Men of basically doing the exact same thing, when right in front of your eyes here stands easily half a dozen Black Men in this very forum, none of whom actually know each other, who are the antithesis of you guys’ assertions. Again: we strive to be gents; you guys strive to be jerks.

    Now, look at me, Gig:

    WHAT’S UP WITH THAT?

    Your response, sir?

    Focus like a laserbeam…

    The Obsidian

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  249. on October 8, 2009 at 6:35 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””BTW, never having the misfortune of seeing someone work themselves to death for a pittance is the definition of privilege.””””””

    Being able to ensure someone’s freedom from having to work and be financially independant is the priveledge on this earth. You would be unable to comprehend it though.

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  250. on October 8, 2009 at 6:37 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””The Specimen
    @Gunslinger

    84 hours a week of hard labor for years on end is no guarantee that one will become wealthy.
    ””””””””’

    You are right that does not guarentee it they also have to save money. So that means no buying weed every day and another bottle of whiskey or more crack. Yes if they do that they can be wealthy even the single mother your shedding that tear for.

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  251. on October 8, 2009 at 6:38 pm gunslingergregi

    Actually especially that single mother because she has extra loot coming in that she didn’t have to work for.

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  252. As for Dr. Alvin Poussaint, here’s his thoughts on what he considers to be a national psychopathology, taken from the Western Journal of Medicine’s website:

    “Is Extreme Racism a Mental Illness?

    Yes

    It can be a delusional symptom of psychotic disorders

    Alvin F Poussaint, Professor of psychiatry 1

    1 Harvard Medical School and Judge Baker Children’s Center 3 Blackfan Circle Boston, MA 02115

    alvin_poussaint/at/jbcc.harvard.edu

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    References

    The American Psychiatric Association has never officially recognized extreme racism (as opposed to ordinary prejudice) as a mental health problem, although the issue was raised more than 30 years ago. After several racist killings in the civil rights era, a group of black psychiatrists sought to have extreme bigotry classified as a mental disorder. The association’s officials rejected the recommendation, arguing that because so many Americans are racist, even extreme racism in this country is normative—a cultural problem rather than an indication of psychopathology.

    The psychiatric profession’s primary index for diagnosing psychiatric symptoms, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) , does not include racism, prejudice, or bigotry in its text or index. 1 Therefore, there is currently no support for including extreme racism under any diagnostic category. This leads psychiatrists to think that it cannot and should not be treated in their patients.

    To continue perceiving extreme racism as normative and not pathologic is to lend it legitimacy. Clearly, anyone who scapegoats a whole group of people and seeks to eliminate them to resolve his or her internal conflicts meets criteria for a delusional disorder, a major psychiatric illness.

    Extreme racists’ violence should be considered in the context of behavior described by Allport in The Nature of Prejudice. 2 Allport’s 5-point scale categorizes increasingly dangerous acts. It begins with verbal expression of antagonism, progresses to avoidance of members of disliked groups, then to active discrimination against them, to physical attack, and finally to extermination (lynchings, massacres, genocide). That fifth point on the scale, the acting out of extermination fantasies, is readily classifiable as delusional behavior.

    More recently, Sullaway and Dunbar used a prejudice rating scale to assess and describe levels of prejudice. 3 They found associations between highly prejudiced people and other indicators of psychopathology. The subtype at the extreme end of their scale is a paranoid/delusional prejudice disorder.

    Using the DSM ‘s structure of diagnostic criteria for delusional disorder, 4 (p329) I suggest the following subtype:

    Prejudice type: A delusion whose theme is that a group of individuals, who share a defining characteristic, in one’s environment have a particular and unusual significance. These delusions are usually of a negative or pejorative nature, but also may be grandiose in content. When these delusions are extreme, the person may act out by attempting to harm, and even murder, members of the despised group(s).

    Extreme racist delusions can also occur as a major symptom in other psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Persons suffering delusions usually have serious social dysfunction that impairs their ability to work with others and maintain employment.

    As a clinical psychiatrist, I have treated several patients who projected their own unacceptable behavior and fears onto ethnic minorities, scapegoating them for society’s problems. Their strong racist feelings, which were tied to fixed belief systems impervious to reality checks, were symptoms of serious mental dysfunction. When these patients became more aware of their own problems, they grew less paranoid—and less prejudiced.

    It is time for the American Psychiatric Association to designate extreme racism as a mental health problem by recognizing it as a delusional psychotic symptom. Persons afflicted with such psychopathology represent an immediate danger to themselves and others. Clinicians need guidelines for recognizing delusional racism in all its forms so that they can provide appropriate treatment. Otherwise, extreme delusional racists will continue to fall through the cracks of the mental health system, and we can expect more of them to explode and act out their deadly delusions.

    Figure 1

    Extreme racism indicates psychopathology

    Notes

    Competing interests: None declared

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    References

    1. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders . 4th edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Press; 2000.

    2. Allport G. The Nature of Prejudice . Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley; 1954.

    3. Sullaway M, Dunbar E. Clinical manifestations of prejudice in psychotherapy: toward a strategy of assessment and treatment. Clin Psychol Sci Pract 1996; 3 : 296-309.

    4. American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic criteria for 297.1 delusional disorder. In: DSM-IV-TR: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision . Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Press; 2000.”

    More in a minute…

    The Obsidian

    [editor: poussaint is a crank.]

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  253. on October 8, 2009 at 6:39 pm gunslingergregi

    Gig gonna be hard to argue with a moron no matter how much info you give. Nothing to see here might as well move on. Someone who thinks people cannot be rich is someone that will forever be a victim.

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  254. on October 8, 2009 at 6:41 pm gunslingergregi

    You have to assess situations then figure out what can fuck you up. Then make descisions that don’t fuck you up.

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  255. Obsidian

    How do you account for the fact that virtually every Black Man here is the exact opposite of what many of you claim

    I am not a “many of you” any more than you are Obsidian. I am me. You are you. Quote from me what you object to.

    Not that you can’t find things I’m sure but I’m a very independent minded guy. I can’t stand ideologies of any sort, really.

    Really the only reason I argue statistically sometimes is to counter inaccurate group based claims and guilt mongering. And to argue against all kinds of leftist crap programs based upon the assumption that all group (race) differences in achievement must be due to the ineffable “institutional racism” and the like. Instead they are due to differences in IQ (caused both genetically and culturally, in a feedback loop), time preferences, aggressiveness when combined with lower IQ (leading to more crime and less work hierarchy climbing), and so on.

    I’m REALLY not interested in putting various groups down or making them feel bad about themselves or hopeless about doing better in what they want to do. A lot is culture which is plastic. Never have been into group put down or denigration. Wasn’t raised that way. Don’t feel that way.

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  256. Here’s the official Wikipedia entry on Poussaint:

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Alvin Francis Poussaint (b. May 15 , 1934 in New York City ) is a noted professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School , and the author of numerous books on child psychiatry , with a particular focus on the raising of African American children.

    [ edit ] Biography

    Poussaint was born in New York City’s East Harlem neighborhood, and graduated from Stuyvesant High School in 1952. [ 1 ] As a youth, he took ill with rheumatic fever, which left him unable to engage in the physical activities of his peers. The academic pursuits that characterized his early years led him to graduate from Columbia University in 1956, acquire a M.D from Cornell University in 1960, and complete postgraduate training from the University of California, Los Angeles , where he studied psychopharmacology and served as Chief Resident in Psychiatry.

    After his initial academic accomplishments, Poussaint took part in the civil rights movement , which solidified his notion that racism resides at the core of mental health problems in the black community. Later in life, Poussaint served as a consultant for the The Cosby Show and currently combines an advocacy for responsible media programming with his academic work.

    Along with Bill Cosby he co-authored the 2007 book Come On People: On the Path from Victims to Victors .

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  257. al:
    Keep telling us that an “experienced” man always knows and we’ll keep telling you that a “smart” girl can fool anyone.

    an experienced man won’t always know, but he’ll know more often than an inexperienced man.

    a smart girl can’t always fool anyone, but she’ll fool more men than a dumb girl.

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  258. anony the super cunt:

    [editor: fedrz, don’t bother listening to anony. she ………………whose husband no longer gives her affection………….. money helps, but having $100K is certainly no hindrance to getting the women you want.]

    anony’s husband has heard “jeez, MD, you married out of your league”…..more than once. no shortage of affection.

    do you always have to placate your husband’s ego?

    I’d rephrase that line, “game and a fit body help, but having money will attract the sane, competent women who are looking out for the best interests of their future children.”

    false premise. game attracts sane competent women as effectively as it attracts other types of women.

    perhaps if she has no interest in children, money will be of less concern to her.

    no one said money was of *no* concern to most women, dumbass. what i said was that money is of *less* concern to most quality women than other male attractiveness traits.

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  259. I am not accusing blacks of being assholes, I am reporting reality as I see it. It is like saying that german girls are, on average, blonder than italian girls. It doesn´t follow that there are no blondes in Italy. Also, when refer

    about me being an asshole, let´s separate two cases.

    1. assholeness towards losers. I bet that if Lucifer had a classmate like me he would be much better now. Bullying makes a men stronger, it shows him his limits and what it takes to push those limits.

    2. assholeness towards ideological nemesis, like you, aka big boys fight. Have you considered the extent of the differences in our worldviews? a cordial debate serves to relativize the opposing views (see Vladimir and Kamal, those guys are incapable of being passionate except for the middle ground) and works more for the one who has the upper hand. Like the one who has his man in the WHite House. Specially, being a jerk to you show to guys like Libby or William how it is done ir order to someday, make them convert the WNsphere in something more cool. Mumim seeks fat wumyn is a dramatic improvement in WNism .

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  260. @jUSTIN iGGER

    Wow, how offensive. You whites truly crack me up.

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  261. Obsidian

    Gig, you’re changing the goalposts.

    NO he isn’t. He’s making additional points.

    You act is getting very tired around here.

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  262. Doug,
    The bottomline point here, that to date no one has directly addressed, is the notion that Black Men in general have “low class” Game-in other words, they’re jerks-while at the same time, Tucker Max is held up as someone to emulate. Newsflash: he’s White and so are the overwhelming majority of his supporters.

    Now…

    Given that I, and a goodly number of other Black Men do all we can to avoid such “jerky” acts, how is it possible for those who accuse Black Men in general of such things, while at the same time engaging in those very same behaviors themselves? Again-what is up with that?

    Gig, Doug, somebody, anybody-please explain???

    [editor: i answered this in another one of your comments, but basically because blacks have a real or culturally perceived masculinity advantage over other races they risk scaring off white chicks with asshole game. blacks run holla game, which, although bold and brazen, is unsubtle, and probably is designed best for picking up black chicks. this is why black guys have to tone it down when attempting pickup outside their race. white guys are more naturally “nice” and so many of them need to incorporate some asshole game into their repertoire. nevertheless, a black asshole will do better with women, especially black women, than an urkel-like nice black guy.]

    The Obsidian

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  263. on October 8, 2009 at 7:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””JR,
    and the number of times women mention some desire to “save the world” is enough to make me vomit in my mouth. whenever i see that, i ask “save the world from what?” i have yet to get a rational answer.”””””””

    Oh shit save it from godzilla of course.

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  264. al–

    Keep telling us that an “experienced” man always knows and we’ll keep telling you that a “smart” girl can fool anyone.

    I think I can nearly always smoke at sluts myself.

    There are many tells. See his post which taught me some but I knew the majority of those. (Didn’t 100% agree either as I recall but it’s been quite a while since I read it.)

    The best subtle / determinedly hiding cases tell though is just talking with her about her sexual past. If she won’t in a transparent way despite you’re making it quite clear that you’re interested and it can turn you on, then she’s very likely hiding what she fears you’ll think is big slut. Either that or she’s really strongly ideologically feminist. Buy the odds are VERY strong she’s real afraid you’ll think she’s been slutty. Either one would be disqualifying for me in a serious emotional and other investment LTR not to mention live together or marriage (cause children imminent but with prenup).

    Some false positively perhaps, but no very likely to be a false negative with this approach and ability to read girls.

    I’ve already counseled other guys less able to read girls to hire a private investigator when it’s engagement time or they’re very seriously considering it. Yes I’m entirely serious.

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  265. “the day after my father died, he sent two of his girls to my apartment to “cheer me up” – they were lez’s who occassionally like to mix a little cock into their wrestling matches.”

    It’s so cute when computer jockeys combine e-bragging with complete fantasy.

    I’m sure they were both hot too. And did whatever you asked.

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  266. you citation of that Poussaint guy showed that my gut feelings about you were right. If anything, me being a jerk led you to show yourself for all here to see.

    [editor: heh. obsidian has failed the gom jabbar.]

    now tell me Ob, at the root of envy is the lack of choices. The one envied can make more, and better, choices than the one who envies. How much envy of whites is there among blacks, so that the antural choices of whites seem so wrong for blacks that they effectively support turning white people who won´t make the “right” choices into zombies?

    The logical consequence of Doktor Poussaint´s ideas is the zombification of any white father that, f.ex., opposes his daughter dating blacks. re-read what you posted if you doubt. i said here that much of modern racism is rooted on sexual frustration. I say now that Black Racism is rooted on envy.

    I say that I am as bitter as you are envious, not much at all. So we don´t fit the stereotypes of our groups. But just as I say here that WNs are bitter losers, I say that there is an ocean of envy below Henry Gates, Poussaint, façades. This is why blacks, f.ex. , “create” black hystorical figures, turning a white Lebanese like Hannibal, or a white Greek of Royal blood like Cleopathra, into blacks. Because they envy white history, as they envy white women, as they envy the creative ability of white men

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  267. The Specimin–

    The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations.

    No it typically occurs in one or two generations.

    Or it does when the family culture believes in the right sorts of things. Right for economic success anyway. When it doesn’t that’s different.

    But then of course that’s a black problem wherever blacks exist, in Africa, in the Caribbean generally, and so on. Sure, local variation, as you’d expect. Culture as well as genes.

    Obsidian actually comes on here and counsels white beta guys who are having trouble with women even when they are fairly high (or often very quite or very high) IQ, that they should follow the black male frequent or predominant example and drop out of trying for high work income and achievement and so on, to better score with the girls. (Twice as many black women as men graduate from college these days.)

    Bad advice. (Though it probably is smart for a man to not go to college esp. if it involves taking on a lot of debt if he isn’t in at least the top 25% by SAT scores. Today half of all high school grades at least start college. That’s stupid, unless college =junior college and a way of getting vocational training.)

    Sure it’s good to balance things more. But people should play to their stengths most of all, while also shoring up their weaknesses, or the ones that matter for the goal. The girls goal.

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  268. feministx-ray:

    [the jury is out on whether indian women age better than white women who don’t overtan or smoke. i haven’t noticed any particularly well-preserved specimens of indian milfs. my experience with superficially in-shape indian women in bed is that they have horrible muscle tone. their skin is loose and the flesh swallows my hand like a warmed bowl of jell-o.]

    I’m pretty skinny fat. The PUA types might like me better if I were 95 lbs and more hard bodied, which i have been in recent years. Personally, I like girls who are very soft. soft and curvy and small. Hard bodies are for men.

    men like soft bodies on women as well, but we like them to have a little more muscle tone than a bowl of microwaved jell-o. that’s just gross. suggestion for indian chicks: eat meat and lift something heavier than your beta boyfriends’ testicle jars.

    [forget what you look like now. for a peek at how your value will decline, look at your mom.]

    I’ve never looked like my mom. I look like my dad.

    two chamber russian roulette.

    [it’s not a delusion, and it isn’t held solely by hbders. non-nerd types such as yours truly are well aware of the reality that older men who aren’t complete losers have a much better go of it in the dating market than older women.]

    Not for purposes of getting laid.

    we’re not talking about getting laid, we’re talking about success in the dating market. the two are different concepts. for aging women, getting laid by progressively more repulsive desperate omegas is not success in the way success is defined. but for aging men, dating success (i.e. getting laid and getting loved) by attractive members of the opposite sex is more easily obtainable than it is for aging women. this is the reality of the dating market. men’s power rises slower than women’s power, but lingers a lot longer.

    And you don’t seem to get that older is attractive in men because it is associated with greater success.

    that is only one factor. men also physically age better than women, and women are not as concerned with men’s looks as men are concerned with women’s looks. so a 40 yo man with the same charisma and game he had at 20 will do better with women than a 40 yo woman with her deteriorated looks will do with men.

    I like older guys. 40s 30s, whatever. But that is because it represents maturity, success, positions of power and prestige in the world.

    all those are male attractiveness traits that are often, and often can be, independent of credentialist or financial attainment. think about it.

    Salt and pepper hair and crows feet are sexy on a guy, but only because it represents how they’ve been on earth long enough to rise to a position of respect.

    rationalization. salt & pepper and crows feet on men don’t bother women so much because women are not as looks focused as men.

    They’ve actualized the ability they were given.

    anyone who uses the word actualized has announced their inability to be cool party guests.

    Merely getting old is not attractive.

    true. but it’s less so for men.

    If you are a male and you age and you don’t have success to show for it, it’s revolting to me.

    as you are a de facto whore who is happy to be nothing more than an available orifice for a man with the right resume (paraphrasing your own words), your opinion on the matter of what most women worth pursuing like in men is suspect.

    On some level, I imagine it’s revolting to all women.

    you need to stretch your imagination.

    [men with options find mistresses make the accepting go down easier.]

    I hope the options are stripper types. I’m sure willing to share the hot prole trash that I seem to gravitate to, but I wonder if my ability to attract them will wane as I get older. I hope my husband will share with me.

    your husband will probably not want your aged carcass obstructing his view of his hottie younger mistress.

    [grateful betas usually have few demands.]

    I am for alphas, and alphas are for me.

    alphas have more stringent requirements in women than easy access to pussy, because they can. if you want to be a man’s whore, then a whore is how he’ll treat you.

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  269. feministx-ray:
    Here is the almost contrapositive maxim, which is what is relevant to the ladies- Feminist self test part one: if you hate feminists and adore men just because they are men, you will be in a very poor position to discern which men are worth your attention.

    or a better position to attract quality men who can recognize sincere, feminine chicks who love men and male desire.

    This guy is pathetic. 100K at 39? No good job? 19 yr old car? No shit this dude wouldn’t get a back rub from me.

    i’m sure his heart will go on.

    This guy wouldn’t get more than a polite nod from me.

    me me me. you hear me?

    When I was 25, my 35 yr old boyfriend owned a car that was worth more than that net worth.

    where is he now?

    And this loser who rants on and on with this incoherent disorganized crap has some subservient girl in her 20s waiting on him.

    really chaps your hide, eh?

    Good for you man, more power to you, but ladies, you’ve got to know: there are 3 billion men out in the world, and you only need one at a time. You want one for the rest of your whole life if you are wise.

    judging by your shall we say spotty history with men and commitment, you’d be the last person ladies should take advice from.

    You might as well be cold as ice to 99% of men. The concept of alpha beta omega requires that alpha rules as the winner. The winner is the minority. In other words, most men are losers.

    as are most women.

    If you dislike men, spurn them for all major flaws and most minor flaws, the ones that pass that shit test will be the best ones.

    the ones that pass your shit test will be the ones most likely to see you for who you are and run the other way.

    In my case, the ones are the most all around alphas- guys who dominate in the corporate sphere and the sexual sphere.

    how’s the engagement going?

    It’s true that my standards are almost impossibly high,

    soon, sooner than you think, you won’t have the luxury of that little problem anymore.

    but I don’t have trouble finding boyfriends that meet them.

    how’s your track record for keeping them around?

    And one day within the next few years, I will get a wedding ring too.

    keep us posted. with pics. heh.

    I’m determined.

    put determination in one hand and rapidly declining sexual market value in the other and see which one fills up first.

    It is an infinitely better position than this idiot woman that worhsips the ground any man walks on and allows herself to pamper some useless old fart that will probably never be an able provider and husband for her.

    the unhappiness is strong in you.

    And even if he is, the kids won’t exactly be lucking out in the genetic lottery.

    he’s doing better than you so far.

    Bud Fedrz is right. A man without money and with game can def land much younger women.

    only now, in the end, do you understand.

    There are too many women that don’t have the self respect to realize that merely acting like a guy is not good enough to make a guy worthwhile.

    there is more in heaven an earth than is dreamt of in your arid mental checklist.

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  270. jh said; [i]“the day after my father died, he sent two of his girls to my apartment to “cheer me up” – they were lez’s who occassionally like to mix a little cock into their wrestling matches.”

    It’s so cute when computer jockeys combine e-bragging with complete fantasy.

    I’m sure they were both hot too. And did whatever you asked.[/i]

    Heh, actually, they WERE hot… but nothing happened… we smoked a joint together, they hung out for a while… but to be honest, I wasn’t that interested at the time. Had other things on my mind, believe it or not. The one asked if I had any lotion so she could give her friend a massage… lol, I said no. We went to a club together after a while, and I politely excused myself after a half an hour, and went back home.

    I’ve been in three-ways before anyways (friends with benefits rock!), and actually, they are kind of a pain in the ass, keeping two women sexually aroused at the same time, rather than ignoring the one for 15 minutes and then “switching” your attention is not good… manipulatiing two clitorises into a frenzy at the same time is a lot more work than you might think. Good for bragging rights, but bad for quality sex.

    However, I’ve never forgotten how much pull my buddy must have had over these two chicks that he managed to send them to me merely because he requested it of them.

    Now THAT is some alpha power, eh?

    Shit like this actually DOES happen in real life… just not yours, I guess. What’s up with you?

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  271. Hi Gig,
    “Dodge, and a miss!”

    Nice try, homey, but no cigar. D’Souza already tried to run that idea up the flag pole back in the 90s. No Black person I know, is jealous of White folks. Not by a longshot. And neither am I.

    And, you, bullying me? Heh.

    Now, let’s try this again…

    The general theme in this forum, is that Black Men, in the main, tend to peddle in “low class Game”. This is coming from mainly White guys who think “Asshole Game” is basically a good thing.

    Meanwhile, there exists a goodly number of regular commenters in this venue who are Black Men and who, to a Man, are the exact opposite of what many of you assert. Again: the Black Men here seem to strive to be gents; many of the White Men here seem to strive to be jerks. Tucker Max is seen as a Man to emulate. Hint: he’s White, and so are the vast majority of his acolytes.

    [editor: speaking for myself, i answered this in another one of your comments, but basically because blacks have a real or culturally perceived masculinity advantage over other races they risk scaring off white chicks with asshole game. blacks run holla game, which, although bold and brazen, is unsubtle, and probably is designed best for picking up black chicks. this is why black guys have to tone it down when attempting pickup outside their race. white guys are more naturally “nice” and so many of them need to incorporate some asshole game into their repertoire. nevertheless, a black asshole will do better with women, especially black women, than an urkel-like nice black guy.]

    Now Gig, focus like a laserbeam: what is up with that?

    Please explain?

    O

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  272. on October 8, 2009 at 8:33 pm the jilted age

    Here is the almost contrapositive maxim, which is what is relevant to the ladies- Feminist self test part one: if you hate feminists and adore men just because they are men, you will be in a very poor position to discern which men are worth your attention.

    I just filter for “decent human beings” when deciding for company of either sex.

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  273. Ruby-

    * FHA and VA Loans were White-Only During the 40’s and 50’s and pretty much BUILT the white middle class in the U.S.

    Sounds very much like lefty / AA studies lying to me.

    Independent of credit histories?

    Demonstrate please.

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  274. Occam’s razor.

    The basic problem, around the world, is that blacks just aren’t very smart.

    The rest is Marxism and it’s dilutions furiously working to validate their religion.

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  275. The acquisition of wealth in a family is generally something that takes generations.

    If you mean Kennedy-family levels of wealth…. two generations.

    I came to the US with my parents in my early teens and we were quite poor for he first few years, in large part because of my sister’s illness. I got into my first choice college but didn’t have the $500 to pony up for registration fees, much less anythign else, so I went to a community college, then bummed around the South for a few years working as a dishwasher here and there, then went into the Army, then finished my B.S. Even after that, I made some bad decisions and burned a few of the wrong bridges.

    Nevertheless, while I am not Kennedy-rich, I’m doing very well today. So I have no sympathy for anyone, even with IQ lightly under 100, who bitches about being poor for “historic” reasons. No respect for the beotches.

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  276. “I know because I’ve done the experiments. Ive made fake profiles of 400 lb women, 70 yr old women, women who are flat out crazy. All get dozens of replies from attractive guys.”

    Feminist X, those are certainly fake profiles. No man (not even 400 lb men or 70 yr old men) would respond to a 70 yr old woman or 400 lb woman.

    [editor: i doubt she’s even done what she says here. what woman with a life spends time crafting fake profiles on a dating site?]

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  277. In Response to the Jilted Age :

    Sure, here’s an example straight from the U.S. Department of Justice —

    http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/housing/documents/decaturcomp.php

    “Decatur Federal commenced operations in 1927, in an identifiably white neighborhood in the Atlanta area. At that time black citizens of the Atlanta area were subjected to segregation in virtually all aspects of public life, including, but not limited to, housing, education, and public accommodations and facilities. Banking and lending institutions owned and operated by white persons, including Decatur Federal, rarely made home mortgage loans to black persons, or home mortgage loans on properties located in black residential areas.”

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  278. In Response to Doug1 :

    Unlike other folks here, I don’t find myself disliking what you usually write. Sometimes, I even agree with you.

    For that matter, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this next question —

    Assuming that the potential growth for individual intelligence WAS determined along strict racial lines within a significant percentage, what — if anything — do you think should be done?

    Your answer must take into account practical implications and consequences of your scenario.

    For example, calling for the exportation of all Blacks and Hispanics is not tenable. Such an action would have severe consequences for the U.S.’ global standing, military prowess, economy and social stability.

    You must also take into account high IQ and achieving NAMs.

    I await your answer.

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  279. pff @ poor for historic reasons

    my grandparents were peasants in poland. they came here after the holocaust from a DP camp outside munich with a 2 year old daughter and no money. they had relatives that let them stay briefly and stingily til they struck out on their own. my grandfather peiced fur for $12 a week and my grandmother took in boarders in their apartment and did laundry. they saved every dime they earned and got a teeny grocery store in a bad neighborhood. then a better one. then 2. then a 1st duplex with a partner. then another and another until they got the two big buildings. my grandfather died wealthy without ever taking a DIME from anyone, not even reparations from germany.

    someone tell me ONE reason any black person in the US can’t do the same, or anyone else either?

    we may be ashkenazis jews, but i saw no evidence my grandparents had particularly high iqs either. all they had was the ability/desire to work 10 hours a day 7 days a week and to succeed and a concept of the future.

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  280. In Response to Dana :

    Are you taking into account the following :

    [1] Support structures from family and friends already here in the U.S. that helped your grandparents when they came here. These support structures may have been built from the events I previously listed (FHA & VA Loans, Homestead Act, G.I. Bill, etc.) that excluded black people.

    [2] That your grandparents could pass for white [or at least non-Jewish] and avoid obtuse racism and descrimination.

    I don’t think anyone here is arguing that a black person here in the U.S. could achieve to a desirable level of status and material wealth NOW — Just that historical discrimination and racism have contributed significantly to the position that the average black person in the U.S. is now.

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  281. on October 8, 2009 at 9:36 pm the jilted age

    In response to what, Ruby?

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  282. In Response to the Jilted Age :

    Haha, my bad.

    That one comment was actually meant for Doug1.

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  283. Ruby–

    For example, calling for the exportation of all Blacks and Hispanics is not tenable.

    That’s so foreign from my thinking. Totally alien.

    Blacks are almost all citizens. We’re in this together.

    As for Hispanics, illegal aliens are one thing, others are another.

    I’ve had two serious Latina girlfriends. Both Puerto Rican /whites as it happened but they could have been other Latinas. Who are way sexy to me, often.

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  284. The Specimen
    Your allegation that wealth in America takes several generations to gather momentum is wrong and more than a little offensive. The vast majority of white folks have inherited little or nothing from their elders (before this last generation.)
    Both of my parents worked their way thru college, started a business or two without any family help and went from there. I worked (dug literal ditches for a time)and took out loans. I lived in co-ops and dives on very little. I am doing OK. Why doing this sort of thing is so inconceivably hard for Nams (without some kind of head start) is rather opaque to my eyes.

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  285. Hindoo women – like feministx – have the highest body fat to weight ratio of all. They look good for a few years while young and then spread out all over the place.

    Muscularity

    Hindoo women could probably considered obese with a BMI as low as 25. For white women it is about 30, and for blacks 32. Orientals and Mexicans are right about in the middle — around 28 or so.

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  286. someone tell me ONE reason any black person in the US can’t do the same, or anyone else either?

    Low IQ? A desire to self-medicate their miserable lives via possibly meaningless and frivolous purchases of material goods? The desire to show superiority to their peers with peacocking since a bank statement isn’t of much use for bragging rights?

    Of course, given that your grandparents were survivors of the Holocaust, one could argue that they theoretically benefited from the immigrant perspective which means that they’ll have low expectations for living standards with high expectations of opportunity.

    Nevertheless, while I am not Kennedy-rich, I’m doing very well today.

    In theory, if I manage to earn say, $45k and stay in New York, if I avoid having children, I could build up something decent to hand over to my niece and nephews. Hell, I suspect my parents would have had more assets had they not paid twelve years of Catholic school for three children…

    [editor: wouldn’t you rather blow that $45k wad on strippers and hugbuddies?]

    So I have no sympathy for anyone, even with IQ lightly under 100, who bitches about being poor for “historic” reasons.

    Okay, so you’ll have sympathy for their poor status due to their low IQ and inability to even compete for high paying work?

    [you have a point. if IQ is responsible for a lot of people’s success or failure, then blaming the dummies for poor performance is unsporting. there’s nothing they can do about it. better to blame the ideologue shitheads who tell those dummies they can do the work of smarter people while removing through cheap labor attrition those jobs the dummies are best suited for.]

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  287. ruby

    my 2 other family members had only been here a few years before my grandparents came. they recieved no support or assistance from any GOVERNMENT structures. they would barely gave my grandparents food and begrudged them every second they lived with them til they had to leave. only being able to get work in a sweatshop peicing fur is hardly an advantage. having to share an apartment in strawberry mansion with boarders and cook and clean for them is hardly an advantage. who advantaged them to make them save money? to not have 5 kids? to not drink? to work in their own tiny business 10 hours a day for years without worrying about ‘overtime’ or ‘vacation days’? tell me any black man couldnt save money and buy a duplex in a black neighborhood for cash before the civil rights act of 1964?

    they never had “jobs” outside my grandfather’s brief sweatshop career and didnt apply for credit–they WORKED, SAVED and bought wisely.

    when you are dependent on government, banks, schools, employers for all of your ‘opportunities’ discrimination is an issue–not when you are creating business and wealth on your own. the REAL problem is by the time blacks were started on the road to more equal status the government had restricted the ability to start businesses and buy property with cash and a sign. post civil rights blacks were unable to take advantage of the almost unregulated opportunities that had existed for the immigrants who came here before.

    the american dream wasn’t the FHA and the Homesteading act–it was coming to america, working hard, saving, and sacrifing YOUR self for your children’s successful future

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  288. on October 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm the jilted age

    @ Welmer:

    Speaking as a 20 y/o Chinese F, with my BMI of 20.1 I would be considered overweight, if not outright obese, in the motherland.

    Don’t let our spherical faces and slanty eyes fool you. East Asians are almost-ridiculously lightly-built people(s).

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  289. LOL. Let me disabuse you of any notions that “Holla Game” works with the vast majority of Black Women-trust me, it DOESN’T. Go to any major Black section of any major American city, especially places like NYC, DC, Philly, etc, and you can count on one hand the number of Brothas who are successful using such a strategy. 99% of such guys get the Stop Sign Treatment from Sistas.

    So, once again, we see a clinging to stereotypes that have very little basis in actual fact. Again: I think its fair to say that I know more Black Women than you do, accross the board. I have three sisters, a Black mother, and dated numerous Black Women, aside from being immersed in Black culture and life. I’m telling you, “Holla Game” doesn’t work as much as you and many White guys think it does.

    Also, for you to make such broad sweeping assertions about Black Men wrt picking up middle class White chicks is to me quite odd, since Virgil Kent, a Black guy who if his website is any indication, deals virtually exclusively with such Women and has been known to be associated with you online as well as off, is disturbing to me. Again: the Ghetto does NOT the whole of Black America make. You simply must understand and accept this. I know scores of Black Men who do NOT do the things you and other White guys say “we” do, and in fact, all of them can and do pickup White chicks-of the Virgil Kent caliber. There IS such a thing a smooth, articulate Brotha. They do exist, and a bit more than many here would like to admit. And yup, many Sistas find such a Brotha quite attractive as well.

    As for the reasons why White guys have to basically “asshole it up” a bit, hmm. Perhaps, but I think there’s a big difference between not being a doormat and striving to be an asshole ala Tucker Max. And in any event, its simply silly to excoriate one group for doing the exact same things many of you actually strive for. Just doesn’t make sense.

    [editor: you love putting words in mouths, don’t you? i’m not excoriating black guys for running asshole game to get women. if it works, it works. there is a difference between being the asshole that women love and being the criminal that society loathes and fears. what tucker max and guys like myself strive for is nothing on par with the sort of real asshole behavior that can land a guy in jail for life and leave a body to bleed out on the sidewalk.]

    The Obsidian

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  290. [editor: wouldn’t you rather blow that $45k wad on strippers and hugbuddies?]

    Eh, somebody has to spoil the kids. Hell, I’ll need the money to bribe them to ensure that they complete college and avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy…

    Besides, thanks to guys like you playing pump and dump, there will always girls looking for a hug to compliment their cats. And strippers are useless since you can’t kiss them.

    [editor: well, you can kiss the scuffed wee-soles of their 6 inch high heels. and in your heart of hearts, isn’t that the occupation which suits you best?]

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  291. on October 8, 2009 at 10:54 pm Cannon's Canon

    looks smooth to me!

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  292. In Response to Dana :

    On that we can agree.

    ‘Black culture’ as it stands IS inferior compared to other modern cultures.

    No aggregate focus on delayed gratification, prudence, subtlety or any of the other universally successful aspects of other cultures.

    I wonder what COULD be done to repair and reorient black American culture — But I’m not optimistic. I think what will either happen is…

    1) that black culture as a whole will attach to a sort of ‘Protestant Islam’ that will arise in the West
    – or an ascendant China via their increased operations in Africa…

    2) Or that any sort of a ‘collective black identity’ will disappear with the rise of globalization, along with the racial/ethnic identity of a few other groups, and geopolitical/regional, religious, national, corporate or other identities will take their place.

    3) Or the status quo persists and black people remain in their current position over the next century as the new geopolitical/social/scientific order asserts itself.

    We’ll see…

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  293. better to blame the ideologue shitheads who tell those dummies they can do the work of smarter people while removing through cheap labor attrition those jobs the dummies are best suited for

    The problem is that we like the hard-working attitude of the imported low IQ types over our native, but barely employable low IQ natives. The imported low IQ is agreeable, works cheaply, comes on time. If we get rid of the imported low IQ, we’re left with outsourcing as the only option or simply doing without due to the de facto uselessness of the native born low IQ…

    [editor: if A is bad, and B is bad but less bad than A, does it make sense to add B to A instead of dealing with A alone? no, of course not. disinviting B to the low wage party means more opportunities for A and, where A isn’t up to the task, a rise in wages once C’s left tailers take up the slack.]

    well, you can kiss the scuffed wee-soles of their 6 inch high heels. and in your heart of hearts, isn’t that the occupation which suits you best?

    Nope. Even the sub-humans have their standards. David fawns over chubby white girls that feed him attention and food, not strippers who don’t really do anything functional for him but be hot.

    [better looking attention can be had from a cat, and you can feed yourself with minimal effort, but a stripper grinding her heel into your face will give you the degradation you so clearly crave in the pit of your soul.]

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  294. disinviting B to the low wage party means more opportunities for A and, where A isn’t up to the task, a rise in wages once C’s left tailers take up the slack

    The problem is that business owners want to avoid dealing with A as much as possible.

    [editor: business owners ignore externalities.]

    If we eliminate B, we’re stuck with A leaving businesses to either not bother due to high wages pricing them out of the market, or the shift of employment to B’s homeland.

    [over time, a shift of employment to B’s homeland would raise B’s wages over there. here in A’s and C’s motherland, wages would rise for productive A’s and left behind C’s. employers may not like this, but fuck them. they are loyal to the dollar before the country. consumers won’t like it either, but consumers are notorious for not seeing the bigger picture.]

    If you’re concerned about fixing A, then killing them is probably better option in the long run than trying to deport B. Deporting B solves some of the problems of C, but C would need far more in terms of intervention.

    [killing is wholly unnecessary. deporting is easier and less likely to provoke a martyrdom backlash. whatever happened to C’s can-do spirit?]

    better looking attention can be had from a cat, and you can feed yourself with minimal effort, but a stripper grinding her heel into your face will give you the degradation you so clearly crave in the pit of your soul.

    Chubby white girls are pretty, have soft hands, and they give the best hugs ever! And it’s more fun to be fed by your female friends. 🙂

    [i must admit, your words make me vomit. if that’s the reaction you were going for, you succeeded. my god, man, at least get LJBFed by better looking exploiters!]

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  295. [editor: i never said she didn’t. haven’t seen her face.]

    hah! man i would link you the pic, but i forgot in which post she has it in. but anyway, take it from me.

    everything looks good buttherface. if you catch my drift.

    [editor: hm. if that’s true, then it calls into question the veracity of her claim that she only dates super alphas.]

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  296. I like girls who are very soft. soft and curvy and small.

    *fear*

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  297. consumers are notorious for not seeing the bigger picture.

    Damn it, I have a right to have a well-manicured lawn at $50 a month!

    As much as we like to prattle on, most of us are merely economic laymen who don’t really know what will happen. In most cases, it’s not as if we pay illegal immigrants below minimum wage rates, but wages that are below market value, but still legally acceptable. It remains to be seen if paying $2 more plus requisite fringe benefit and payroll costs will either destroy consumer spending or boost it due to the influx of extra money into the marketplace from the bottom end.

    killing is wholly unnecessary. deporting is easier and less likely to provoke a martyrdom backlash.

    B can be deported. A can’t be deported. Since A is unemployable and has a tendency to commit crime and wage riots when it’s really bored and unhappy, and you’re not willing to hand them money for nothing, we’ll have to do something with them.

    [editor: the cushy gov’t makework jobs used to do the trick, until the slots available couldn’t keep up with demand from B’s party crashing. now the system creaks as the jedi forces of deportation do battle with the evil empire of punitive taxation, wool-pulling PC lies, and gated community engorgers of cheap labor.]

    whatever happened to C’s can-do spirit?

    Crushed by weight of the industrious Chinaman. Since we’re not willing to pay GM wages to our factory workers in exchange for $500 iPods, and we need the stock market to prop up our retirement accounts, we’re going to flush down “lazy” people like C for cheap stuff made overseas and high stock prices.

    [or drug them with the opiate of video games, sports, and porn. we’ll see how long that house of cards stays upright.]

    my god, man, at least get LJBFed by better looking exploiters

    Dude, I’m a porn addict. It’s likely that I LJBFed them…

    [you rationalize like a fat feminist after a drunken debauched frat party bender.]

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  298. on October 9, 2009 at 12:06 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    It is because we and our parents remember the Repugnican party running on a platform opposing the Civil Rights Act,

    DEMOCRATS opposed that, you dumbshit.

    Do you know who Robert Byrd is? He was in the KKK, but is a Democrat to this day.

    Do you know who George Wallace is? He ran for Prez as a Democrat as recently as 1976.

    My god, you people are dumb.

    I know why blacks vote Democrat. It is because on their report cards, despite AA, they only got two grades, D and F. Since their best-case scenario was a D, they were trained to respond positively to the letter D. Hence, they vote Democrat.

    Michael Steele knew this in 2006, which is why he let some ads keep his party ambiguous, so that dumb black people would assume he was a Democrat and vote for him (they can’t be expected to actually judge the issues).

    Obsidian, in fairness, is smarter than other blacks and voted against Obama.

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  299. “men like soft bodies on women as well, but we like them to have a little more muscle tone than a bowl of microwaved jell-o. that’s just gross. suggestion for indian chicks: eat meat and lift something heavier than your beta boyfriends’ testicle jars.”

    I am a bit more taut than the average indian girl, but yes, not as hard bodied as many white girls that are my height and greater weight. I can improve by weight lifting. perhaps I will get into it again.

    “that is only one factor. men also physically age better than women, and women are not as concerned with men’s looks as men are concerned with women’s looks. so a 40 yo man with the same charisma and game he had at 20 will do better with women than a 40 yo woman with her deteriorated looks will do with men.”

    I don’t think a 40 yr old man with looks and charisma will do any better with 22 yr old women than a 40 yr old woman who keeps herself in shape and gets some botox and stuff will do with put together 50 yr old guys. The average 40 yr old male or female will almost certainly do poorly if they try to attract an ideal mate.

    “I like older guys. 40s 30s, whatever. But that is because it represents maturity, success, positions of power and prestige in the world.

    all those are male attractiveness traits that are often, and often can be, independent of credentialist or financial attainment. think about it.”

    I know they can be, but then I don’t like them. I only like older successful men. Or I like men slightly older than me who have the potential to be successful at something. It doesn’t have to be great financial success, though most any career success is followed by money. I am able to respect serious creative accomplishments as well.

    “Salt and pepper hair and crows feet are sexy on a guy, but only because it represents how they’ve been on earth long enough to rise to a position of respect.

    rationalization. salt & pepper and crows feet on men don’t bother women so much because women are not as looks focused as men.”

    I’m less looks focused than most women, but I think a hint of grey hair is more attractive than not on a man. It’s a sign of maturity. I don’t merely tolerate it, I am attracted to it. I think that’s almost normal.

    “They’ve actualized the ability they were given.

    anyone who uses the word actualized has announced their inability to be cool party guests.”

    ? How many people in the HBDsphere would be traditionally considered as cool party guests? That’s pretty low anyways. This isn’t high school. “You’re not cool for parties!” Shrugs. K, well then, I guess I won’t go to yours.

    “as you are a de facto whore who is happy to be nothing more than an available orifice for a man with the right resume (paraphrasing your own words), your opinion on the matter of what most women worth pursuing like in men is suspect.”

    Well, they called me a whore in bed, so I figured I’d live up to the name:) But seriously, I don’t understand why those things should not be important to me. Educational credentials and career track are very important in the Indian community. I do not wish to disappoint my parents (father especially) by bringing home someone they would find sub par. I am crazy and a libertine, but when it comes to the things that are really important to my family, I don’t want to disappoint them.

    And not just the family, I believe in the Indian community’s ideals when it comes to finding a permanent partner. I think it is highly likely that important personality and intelligence aspects are at least 75% heritable, so as a potential mother I feel that I should strive to give my children the best I can do. A good education is a sign of a high IQ. Some men have a high IQ without a good education. In those cases, if there were circumstances which prevented them from attaining a good education, I understand. Otherwise, I always wonder why they did not do the best they could do. Were they slackers? Slacking is a dangerous trait to be attached to.

    In addition to genetics, I would like to provide my children with a stable environment. I am attracted to successful provider types because they make me feel safe. I am pretty easily stressed out, and I would really like to avoid situations like having to forclose on a house due to unemployment and then have no place to live. I want a partner who can really keep things together no matter what happens with the economy. There are some men like this.

    Life is expensive. Three babies will be expensive. We will need a nice house and a retirement fund. I am trying to get better at making money, but I am not so good at it now, so for now I seek particularly strong providers as partners as they compensate for my weakness there. Plus, it is hotter. Money and power and all. Dominance over men is somehow more validated than dominance over just girlies.

    “your husband will probably not want your aged carcass obstructing his view of his hottie younger mistress.

    Well, being supportive of the hunt for younger girls is the best I can do, I think. I will get older, but my husband might always like young women. I’m always happy for my boyfriends when they score a hot or interesting girl. Fetish #595.

    “alphas have more stringent requirements in women than easy access to pussy, because they can. if you want to be a man’s whore, then a whore is how he’ll treat you.”

    He can treat me like a whore plenty, but I want to be a man’s wife.

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  300. Indian men have many nice qualities but among Indian women they also have a reputation for being spoilt by their mothers, not so much in the sense of being lordly alphas with high expectations, but in the sense of being childishly demanding of attention and flattery. “I’d never date a divorced Indian man”, one Indian friend told me. “If he’s been dumped by an Indian woman then he must be truly impossible to live with.”

    “What if he dumped her?” I asked. She said, “Never happens. Indian men don’t leave their wives.”

    There’s a paradox there, if you like.

    Btw, I make no claim to know whether any of this is true. My friend was pretty, sweet-natured, the best amateur cook I’ve ever known, and not at all a gold-digger, but all the same, she had a terrible time finding Indian men who treated her well, and in the end married a westerner.

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  301. on October 9, 2009 at 12:11 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    The type of Game that black dudes run is called ELEPHANT GAME.

    Black men prefer that black women resemble the greatest megabeasts of Africa. Since such beasts (elephant, rhino, hippo, cape buffalo) had no natural predators, they were admired by the black man. Black women who resemble these beasts in size, shape, color, and *texture* are prized by black men. It makes sense in terms of resource aggregation.

    I saw a black woman at Wal-mart so wide that she was brushing both sides of the aisle, knocking down products on both sides. A black dude would value such a woman, and would thus run Elephant Game on her.

    [editor: mu’min’s back. as far as running gags go, this one beats half sigma’s ‘death by cow’ posts.]

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  302. “[editor: i doubt she’s even done what she says here. what woman with a life spends time crafting fake profiles on a dating site?]”

    The woman who reads HBD blogs. I have a life sometimes too.

    My face is not photogenic. It looks different in each picture somehow. Sometimes it looks nice. Sometimes it looks ugly.

    You can see my face here-

    That’s nice, but I have some nicer face pics too.

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  303. the cushy gov’t makework jobs used to do the trick

    One would suspect that a man of your political leanings would be against such makework jobs even if they’re of marginal use (e.g. WMATA, the most glorious dirigiste state subway).

    or drug them with the opiate of video games, sports, and porn. we’ll see how long that house of cards stays upright.

    There’s always Southeast Asia. They’re kinda smart…

    you rationalize like a fat feminist after a drunken debauched frat party bender.

    How about this. Fat chicks give better hugs and are less likely to get boyfriends which ensures I get a steady diet of attention and food cooked for me. Damn it, it’s far better than being alone, and it’s still easier than trying actually meet women for sex.

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  304. Toc says, “But ON THE WHOLE, my impression is that black women tend to be less feminine than others — clearly in terms of physique but also with regard to personality.”

    You should ask yourself why.

    Scroll up in this thread or just about any other.

    I’m feminine when I feel safe to be so.

    Ruby, my guess is that Black Americans will merge with Mexicans. I don’t have numbers for it yet, but according to teachers and others I know in the south, there’s a kind of quiet revolution taking place.

    I don’t think anybody wants to report on it because it would be controversial and not PC to say that Black men have dropped the ball, and Mexicans have picked it up. It’s easier for both liberals and conservatives to think of Black women as either asexual victims or untouchable lepers.

    When I do have the numbers though, I’ll post them here for a laugh, and to watch some guys stammer about how these brown people must only be dating and marrying those brown people out of desperation or something.

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  305. Astute analysis! I’d love to see one of your feminist detractors/followers dispute this. People like what they like and it isn’t advertisement telling us what we like that makes Megan Fox seem so hot to every dude on the planet.

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  306. Hahaha, feministx. What a bitch. She makes me lawl.

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  307. @ feminstX

    Yer gorgeous. I don’t mind saying that as a woman, either.

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  308. Feministx looks okay, but from all of the faux-artsy, face-obscured pics she used to throw around, seeing her face is a big let down. There are plenty of much cuter Injun chicks out there, many of whom are not handicapped right out of the gate by being a yappy bitch.

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  309. Doug1: You seem to be forgetting that anti-discrimination laws have only started being enforced in the last half century. Prior to that blacks were not allowed to compete on a level playing field. There have been our parents’ generation and ours in the intervening time. Already there has been an ever larger number of black folks joining the middle class. I have no proof, but I believe this is a major source of the angst of SOME convervatives that cry about ‘things not being how they used to be’.

    Rum: I commend you on putting yourself through college. Your parents may not have paid your way through school, but they both attended college and were able to help you navigate your way to success. Here’s a little mental exercise for you. Would you trade your childhood situation with that of a poor child of any race, living in a very bad part of town, neither of who’s parents had more than a rudimentary education? My family situation and route through college were similar to yours, and I’m very aware of how privileged I was.

    For the record, I don’t think that blacks are especially disadvantaged anymore. I think that poor people are disadvantaged. That a greater proportion of blacks are poor is the legacy of Jim Crow and a consequence of not letting blacks compete on a level playing field until the last half century. I don’t think that our government should correct this inequality. I think that over a few generations it will sort itself out through fair competition. What I do have a problem with is people trying to use the residual effects of a 350 year history of legal and economic disenfranchisement of blacks as evidence that they are somehow inferior.

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  310. feminstX.blogspot.com

    My face is not photogenic. It looks different in each picture somehow. Sometimes it looks nice. Sometimes it looks ugly.

    You can see my face here-

    That’s nice, but I have some nicer face pics too.

    OK, I suppose, but didn’t you say you trended toward the “Aryan?”

    To me, it looks more like your female ancestors got seriously raped by Arabs.

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  311. BTW, your posts to me came off as very mean. Everyone on your blog tries to be mean, but angry internet comments generally don’t register at all emotionally. But your comments to me almost made me cry, which is something I have never experienced before while reading comments from a random dude on the internet. I had to go away from them for a few minutes before replying. A talent of yours, I suppose.

    “When I was 25, my 35 yr old boyfriend owned a car that was worth more than that net worth.

    where is he now?”

    He said he did not want to have children ever, so we could not get married.

    “judging by your shall we say spotty history with men and commitment, you’d be the last person ladies should take advice from.”

    I’m not that bad. I am inadvertantly picky, but I think I am getting closer to the best relationship possible for me.

    “You might as well be cold as ice to 99% of men. The concept of alpha beta omega requires that alpha rules as the winner. The winner is the minority. In other words, most men are losers.

    as are most women.”

    And I might be one, but I would like to avoid marrying one at least. Better genes for my babies.

    “the ones that pass your shit test will be the ones most likely to see you for who you are and run the other way.”

    I don’t think they do. Guys who meet a standard are never the ones to argue with it. Tall men don’t bitch that women like tall men. But short men get angry and call women shallow about it. I am pretty upfront about the reasons for my attraction. I tell my boyfriends that I like that their financial success is very sexy to me, and it seems to make them happy.

    “In my case, the ones are the most all around alphas- guys who dominate in the corporate sphere and the sexual sphere.

    how’s the engagement going?”

    I’m going to get it right soon. Next time.

    “It’s true that my standards are almost impossibly high,

    soon, sooner than you think, you won’t have the luxury of that little problem anymore.”

    Tis why I must get married soon. But I couldn’t really have gotten married earlier either. Takes a few shots to understand how you should aim.

    “there is more in heaven an earth than is dreamt of in your arid mental checklist.”

    For what reason should I remove provider potential from my checklist?

    The only reason that appeals to me so far is that money can’t be genetically inherited, so I’ll be doing my children a favor if I give them a very attractive father rather than a rich one.

    “[editor: hm. if that’s true, then it calls into question the veracity of her claim that she only dates super alphas.]”

    I date alpha sadists, who usually happen to function as super alphas in public interaction. They can easily attract a high number of women, but since their real fetish involves things like putting a girl in a cage at night, their options become limited. Then they have to settle for me.

    You seem to want a rotating harem of extremely good looking young women. I want an alpha provider husband. You don’t want someone like me, and I don’t want someone like you. That is ok. Lot of people in the world.

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  312. Detroit – cradle of fuckin’ civilization!

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  313. I gots to get paid!

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  314. Awwww… shucks, Feministix-bitch,

    I guess he will succumb to your victim game, and soften up for your tears… but most likely NOT.

    I can’t BELIEVE that 30 year old women still believe 13 year old game works…

    SOB!

    Save me from my horrible self!

    Yawn. So predictable that even a 39 year old bald pauper can spot it!

    I shall now seek easier, younger, more naive targets, of course.

    It is what is expected of me.

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  315. Tick tock, feminsiticks,

    Tick tock…

    TICK tock…

    TICK TOCK…

    TICK FUCKING TOCK!!!

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  316. Fedrz, it probably does work for her offline.

    For all the downplaying of her looks, she is still who she is, and has whatever prospects she has, regardless of what anyone here says. I catch a lot of hell here too, but offline, most guys are literally afraid to say what guys here feel free to.

    I look at it as, well…nice to know how they really feel, and apply it to life navigation. However, people still react to beauty the same way from day to day. What changes is how we perceive that reaction.

    I learn a lot here. I hope FemX and others do as well. Sometimes new knowledge is hard to take…the idea that people you thought were indifferent are actually hateful, or in her case, people she may think are cool with her are exploitive.

    Knowledge is power though. I get more empowerment here than I do from the “go girls” elsewhere.

    I was never so merciless from feminism as I became from balance.

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  317. Does that excuse her horribly shrewish, hateful behaviour?

    Yes or no?

    Should men call bitches out on this crap, or keep their mouths shut so more men get fucked for life by calculating shrews like her?

    She intends to DESTROY a man’s life with her sexuality.

    May she rot with many, many cats.

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  318. In case you haven’t noticed, this is a horribly shrewish and hateful blog. She’s just one of the guys here. So she’s as excused as anyone else here who is patently hateful and well, using people.

    As I understand it, with FemX as with the casual sex crowd here, the use is mutual. Nobody is being lied to.

    However, if you want to know the truth, the way you see a woman using a man as a sperm donor and incubated credit card is how wifely type women see men who are after casual sex. It is emotional necrophilia…the dead bumping against the dead.

    Now that I understand this well, I am beginning to care less and less what dead people do with one another so long as it doesn’t annoy the living.

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  319. Many of us ex-betas didn’t start out as the casual sex crowd, sorry.

    We started out as “NICE GUYS (TM)” and became who we are because circumstances forced this upon us. Mainly, by women’s unruly sexual nature.

    Stop shifting the blame and act like a fully equally responsible adult, regardless of your sex. Otherwise, start promoting the end of this riduculous nonsense. A society cannot promote “equality” when half of the society prefers subconcious submission… and when they don’t recieve it, return love with hatred.

    Seriously now.

    There is not much time left. The barbarians are gathering at the gates while you speak mere platitudes.

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  320. A few years ago, a smart fella once told me about women:

    “Women would rather have 100% of nothing than 50% of something.”

    So far, I can’t say I’ve found evidence to refute this bold but accurate claim.

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  321. on October 9, 2009 at 4:15 am levi johnston

    Whatever your beliefs for the underlying causes, the average black is much less wealthy and a few grade levels less literate than the average white. As a consequence, very few blacks are assimilated into upper-middle class yuppie “SWPL” culture. So it should be no surprise on an SWPL-centric website like OKC that the proportion of black and Hispanic males capable of discussing Le Tigre, Derrida, and farmer’s markets with random chubby white 6’s on the internet is going to less the proportion of white males who can do the same.

    The reverse (in theory) should be that Asian and Indian(turd-skinned indian, not Sam Bradford indian) males, with their higher incomes, educations, literacy levels, will way outcompete blacks and perform at parity with whites, if not above them. Asians don’t really play the SWPL game, but they at least have the familiarity with the culture from their schools and neighborhoods to know how to deal with them. Unfortunately, this is not the case. There may be some self-selective effects here, but with half-a-million users I think we are approaching law of large numbers territory.

    If I were Obsidian, I would point out that when a white female is given the choice between responding to a ghetto dweller and responding to male with shared educational achievements and interests and who is more likely to be able to form complete sentences, the two groups come out about even. Big black Mandingo cock, etc.

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  322. on October 9, 2009 at 4:25 am Vercingetorix

    With greater panmixia the West and much of the world is being gradually Africanized. There is a tendency toward greater polygyny, greater disparity of wealth and other disparities, such as disparities of IQ, resulting from greater general heterogenity leading to heterozygosity of the population. This raises the stakes for being an alpha male tremendously. The game females must play here is similar to the game African females must play: Self-sufficiency and selection of the most dominant (genetically and socially) alpha male for his genes, with an occasional tryst with a beta male to keep them from killing the kids.

    Western technical achievements have raised and maintained the carrying capacities of previously inhospitable environments. Technological advancement has been so great that fewer and fewer technically proficient men are needed to maintain civilization. Women no longer need to depend on the technically proficient beta providers; they are now materially “independent.” Thus in this environment we see the activation of atavistic African adaptations in contemporary Western women.

    You’re going to have to account for the transition — over the course of a single generation — from a predominantly monogamous, lifetime companionate family structure, to “serial monogamy” which really is serial polygyny, given the progressive centralization of male fertility resulting from it. China is relatively insular for the time being but that could end within a generation as well, now that its prosperity is attracting immigrants. Islam offers a relatively decent compromise, supporting open polygyny with hard limits (4 life-time wives maximum). This may be one reason why it is a threat to the West — which has a rather unstable mix of global panmixia and serial polygyny with bountiful opportunities for free-riders.

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  323. on October 9, 2009 at 6:11 am Cannon's Canon

    “Tick tock, feminsiticks,

    Tick tock…

    TICK tock…

    TICK TOCK…

    TICK FUCKING TOCK!!!”

    e-town concrete – pacemaker

    you know i’d embed the video if it existed.

    do your due diligence. hot track.

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  324. on October 9, 2009 at 6:17 am Dark Wing Duck

    ” Ruby, my guess is that Black Americans will merge with Mexicans. I don’t have numbers for it yet, but according to teachers and others I know in the south, there’s a kind of quiet revolution taking place.”

    Don’t bother. Check the numbers in California, and you’ll see a situation akin to low level warfare between the blacks and the browns. The NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, etc believe the pretty lie about a black to brown convergence, but the reality is that black pols are displaced when enough browns move into an area, and low income black areas are over run by browns who aren’t afraid to move into low income black areas. The Mexicans move in an area with higher density per housing unit and they’ll fight back.

    The browns know that they can become number 1 minority on numbers alone, why share power when you identify with whites more than blacks?

    In Chicago the violence between blacks and brown is real and racial, there just isn’t a cell phone camera handy. Case in point, after the young black man in Chicago was beaten to death by gang members, we had a hispanic (Latin King) yoot killed by 4 black gangbangers. Just no video.

    The numbers are working against black Americans in a city like Chicago. Lord Shortshanks (mayor daley) has used section 8 housing vouchers to send most of the low income blacks out of the city and into poor suburbs, Parisean style. Leaving the core, lily white, super expensive, and relatively crime free. Shortshanks is scum but he doesn’t want Chicago to go full Detroit, just a little Rio.

    I’m a black male teacher in a largely (3200+ kids) Mexican American school in Chicago, and the Mexican girls shun the Black boys. Many a lad has crashed and burned when he stepped up to a pack of Mexican girls. The girls aren’t rude or cruel, just not interested. Mexican girls are far more responsive to the wishes of their parents and their peer group.

    My prediction, by 2020 you’ll need to speak spanish for most low level .gov jobs in America.

    Shalom,
    Dark Wing Duck

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  325. e-town concrete – pacemaker

    you know i’d embed the video if it existed.

    do your due diligence. hot track.

    —-

    Didn’t really catch the intelligence of that… I am a Canadian after all… perhaps you can explain.

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  326. Seems kinda like jibberish to me

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  327. FemX has a so-so face but a bangin’ body. Fantastic boobs!

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  328. She’s a whore, by her own admission.

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  329. If you’re lucky, you can be the 9 millionth guy to slip it inside of her!

    Good for you!

    Here’s some Valtrex.

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  330. Obsidian

    Now that Obama is not only President, but Nobel Peace Prize Winner and blacks have the upper hand, you shouldn´t have so much prejudice against us hateful jerks. we are a decreasing minority, like Pandas .

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  331. and the Mexican girls shun the Black boys […] Mexican girls are far more responsive to the wishes of their parents and their peer group

    I
    will
    not
    comment
    on the offspring
    of Mexican
    and Africa
    unions

    no no no no no no no n o and NO!!!!!!

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  332. “blacks have the upper hand”

    Facetious!!

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  333. Obsidian,
    His distinction between criminal behavior and holla game is correct, I think. However, your point on the hypocrisy on this site, bemoaning the state of Western Civilization on one hand and promoting it via game on the other, is well taken.

    You cant champion your libertine, social norm transgressing self on the one hand, then turn around and lay the blame for the state of things on other people. PUA’s round here blame, and are alternately grateful for, feminism for the rise of available poon. Then they say its the feminazi’s fault for things. Choose one.

    If you want to see America survive, get married to a decent woman and raise your kids up straight. If you dont care, shut up about it and keep on bangin.

    The idea that woman only want to be dominated is a bit risible. Bitches be crazy, sure, but if thats all they wanted feminism would have never come to the fore. Tis a bit more complicated than that.

    Oh yea, and Obama + Nobel Peace Prize = Epic Fail. And I voted for him.

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  334. Yeah, feministx needs a few hot loads pumped onto her face followed up by a nice hard punch in the nose.

    What a fucking cunt…

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  335. Natasha F. wrote:
    @ feminstX
    Yer gorgeous. I don’t mind saying that as a woman, either.

    FeminX: cool, you ran girl-on-girl Game on Natasha, and it completely passed under my radar!

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  336. Does girl-on-girl Game follow the same esential principles as guy-on-girl Game, with DHVs, negs, comfort-building, etc?

    I’m picturng a shapely and stylish “top” female with a dominant personality, like FemX, approaching a cute feminine “bottom” girl at a bar. How would you open?

    I don’t think it would be with flannel-clad Brawny-Susan Game of a punch in the puss followed by a groaning fisting session in the bed of her pickup truck, as Melissa Etheridge softly signs from the speakers, under a big, Kansas sky.

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  337. why do people complain so much about hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is cool, and combined with racism and jerkness it is turbo-game.

    How do people ignore the self-confidence effects of being a racist? If you consider yourself an exemplar of the best the Human Race can produce, how exactly would that harm you in da clubs?

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  338. [that would be my guess too. but then why do so many black dudes (not the black dudes writing on blogs) run it? would you say that it works to some degree on black chicks?]

    “Holla” game works on any ghetto chick whether she’s white, Asian, black, or Hispanic.

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  339. Maybe Girl-on-Girl Game is all about exploiting the target’s underlying issue with men: been raped, daddy complexes, just been beat up by a rough boyfriend, insecurity with regards to her attractiveness, or a latent disgust with male bodily fluids in an otherwise hetero girl.

    The astute She-PUA will approach her soft, willowy target and go right away into comfort-building. No negs, no kino, just sweet, soft safety and warmth in the brawny arms of Susan.

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  340. I date alpha sadists, who usually happen to function as super alphas in public interaction. They can easily attract a high number of women, but since their real fetish involves things like putting a girl in a cage at night, their options become limited. Then they have to settle for me.

    Hmm, I was under the impression that good doms were outnumbered by subs. I’m not part of the BDSM scene but I’ve seen some fucking gross dom guys with hot sub girls.

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  341. On Gay and Lesbian Game :

    Really, there is no game.

    I’ve known gay guys and lesbians that were able to fall into their sex of choice just through a few moments of talking.

    In some ways, I envy these two cultures of sexuality because there is significantly less uselessly subtle bullshit they have to go through to find sex — or partners, if they like.

    Don’t want to date a certain kind of person based on culture, race, political beliefs, religion, the smallest physical defect, etc. — No one will accuse you of being prejudiced. It is simply a preference.

    Just want to fuck as many people as you want wantonly without commitment? Absolutely fine! Just have basic social skills, the mutual assumption of intent and that clinic STD report ready!

    What is also awesome is that there is a multi-tiered system of attractiveness based on obvious aesthetic beauty rather than illusions of “good personality”. If you’re excessively handsome or pretty, you have your pick — No questions asked. If you’re excessively ugly, you have a limited pool to draw from — No questions asked. No one will ever accuse you of being shallow for demanding the best from your potential date or mate.

    As much as So-Cons becry the ‘opening’ of gay culture to mainstream America, I think they know “whats up” — The conditions that have made the sexual playing field so brutally honest and efficient for Gays & Lesbians is closer to the reality they desire than anything they’ve ever had.

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  342. on October 9, 2009 at 10:10 am The Cock of Obama

    Hehehe. OBAMA WON THE NOBEL PRIZE, BIATCHES.

    I say it now, i say it again: the entire world wants my cock.

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  343. Obama joins the deranged (Al Gore) and the demented (Jimmy Carter) in Oslo’s pantheon of worthies.

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  344. @Doug,

    Never in my wildest delusions could I have imagined agreeing with Doug on much, but, here I must ditto every word. He stated this wonderfully,

    Obsidian actually comes on here and counsels white beta guys who are having trouble with women even when they are fairly high (or often very quite or very high) IQ, that they should follow the black male frequent or predominant example and drop out of trying for high work income and achievement and so on, to better score with the girls. (Twice as many black women as men graduate from college these days.)

    Bad advice. (Though it probably is smart for a man to not go to college esp. if it involves taking on a lot of debt if he isn’t in at least the top 25% by SAT scores. Today half of all high school grades at least start college. That’s stupid, unless college =junior college and a way of getting vocational training.)

    Sure it’s good to balance things more. But people should play to their stengths most of all, while also shoring up their weaknesses, or the ones that matter for the goal. The girls goal.

    There are two reasons to spend time and money on college:
    –to get a professional ticket punched. eg. accounting, nursing, medicine, law, physical therapy, teaching degree.
    –to satisfy intellectual curiosity

    Most employment does not require a college degree to prepare for. Google: “Griggs vrs. Duke Power” to understand how the employer converted a four hour broad apptitude test to a four year degree to qualify for some employment.

    The higher ed mills have generated more diplomas, which ultimately are worth less. Capitalism doesn’t reward degrees, but rather, the bottom line.

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  345. on October 9, 2009 at 11:39 am lovelysexybeauty

    OK… wth??

    Thought I was over the “defending my Indian peeps” thing, maybe touching Jay Sean at the India Day Parade inspired me anew, lol. (You guys know Jay Sean is 100% Indian right? And speaks fluent Punjabi, even pindi aka villager style from what I’ve heard? What’s that do to your stereotypes mm? hehe)

    A few points I just feel like I *have* to put out there:

    – Divorce and remarriage have a stigma in mainstream Indian society even today. Indians are very connected and close knit. Word travels fast. Everyone knows everyone somehow. SO. Someone who doesn’t follow the traditional mores of the Indian community, doesn’t seem connencted to the community at all (when did you last go to a BSNA type conference for example?), and acts like a “randi” (sl-t), sounds weird trying to say she wants to get mainstream acceptance from the community.

    I used to play that game with the “dumb goras” (whites) too, and use the community or religion or culture card. It’s not cool. Anyone who is an astute observer will see the holes in doing that. I’m sorry girl… but that’s really not cool. It affects more than just you, if misinforms people on who Indians are. Everyone else: read through mylifeisdesi.com for funny vignettes of how the Indian community in the US really is as a start, k thx.

    – aliasclio brought up how most Indian men are close to their mothers. The Indian family unit overall is very close. Nowadays, I see more Indian guys really wanting their future wife and mother to get along. Many Indian mothers want to be progressive and cool, and make a big point to talk about how they want to be friends with their future daughter-in-law, not like the “traditional dominant MILs” were. The most popular Indian TV show of the past 10 years sums it up: Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thhi (“Because the Mother-in-law Was Once a Daughter-in-law Too”). At least this has been my experience. I don’t think girls need to worry about guys with mommy issues at all, personally. If there were to be an issue, it’s easier to deflect a mom’s influence by fawning obedience to her and get your way with him under the covers. hehe 😉 Strong girls have a hard time doing this, their egos and pride makes them openly fight…I let it slide and just think, “Whatever, just gotta play the game… let her think she’s #1, she’s my elder any way.”

    K peace out. hehe.

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  346. PA, don’t forget Yasser Arafat.

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  347. Facially, she rates a 5 or a low 6 based on that glamour photograph. Which means that she’s a low 5 in daily life (as in baseline going-grocery-shopping, not just-woke-up).

    Of course when a guy discovers what her carping, negative personality is like, he has to deduct points -2. Just as a scintillating and positive personality would mean adding up to +2.

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  348. Look guys dont take Tucker max seriously, I think most of the thing he says are made up. I think even the lawsuit he was served was made up. I simply simply refuseto believe the Katy Johnson incident was true ( he had an agreement with her) or his anal story or even the recent freshman chick from Uni. All made up.

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  349. Gay Feministicks:

    However, the largest insect ever to have hatched since the jurassic era has entered my room, and I am unable to sleep even though it is past 3:30am. It looks like it came out of a horror film, has 100 spindly legs of varying legnths. It is so large, I fear my shoes wouldn’t cover it if I tried to swat it. It crawls around from wall to wall, and sometimes I try and stare it down from several feet away with my shoe in my hand, but every time it starts to move, it makes me almost cry and have an anxiety attack.

    Thus I am unable to produce proper feministx temperament tonight. Whether alpha, beta or omega, I feel a smidgen of deference to most any member of the male kind now.

    Good. Maybe now you will finally get your head out of the SWPL clouds where all that glitters is sadistic super-alphas in your insular, useless NGO thinktank world, and begin to appreciate the other 90% of men who had the sack to build the civilzation that made your playpen possible, and whom continue to keep the lights on.

    P.s. David Alexanders chubby-huggy comments make me want to vomit too.

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  350. @tupac- how come you replaced Desmond with Tom Cruise?

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  351. maurice:

    Vanilla Sky Cruise, to be exact.

    In a virtually cosmic confluence of karmic law, a rather…er…blasty Blast from the Past recently broke a complete and total radio silence in order to “touch base” — after nearly ten years.

    After some gnashing of teeth on my part, I was finally able to lay that corpse in its final resting place. Ghosts all gone. Much to my satisfaction. He may or may not have some idea.

    Thanks for asking.

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  352. David Alexanders chubby-huggy comments make me want to vomit too.

    If that makes you sick, you’re nothing more than a beta chump. 🙂

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  353. Fedrz says, “Many of us ex-betas didn’t start out as the casual sex crowd, sorry.”

    There is no ex beta. You have alpha in you or you don’t. If you did, but you acted like a beta because you thought it would benefit you then what you were was a liar…either to yourself or others.

    “We started out as “NICE GUYS (TM)” and became who we are because circumstances forced this upon us. Mainly, by women’s unruly sexual nature.”

    Women have always generally had an “unruly” nature. Nature itself is unruly. The way to master it is to work with it, not against it.

    You will not master women by working against their unruly sexual nature. You will master it by…mastering it.

    Nature is indeed forced upon you. It is also forced upon women, to whom it seems to be more cruel since we sacrifice a great many things just to be able to carry and birth children.

    You and some others here write as if nature has wronged you. If it has, then it has wronged us all.

    “Stop shifting the blame and act like a fully equally responsible adult, regardless of your sex.”

    I am responsible for my own actions and to some degree, those I lead others to follow. I am not responsible for the social trends that currently plague the west. I was never really an invested participant in them…didn’t have that option.

    I’m one of those older non hot and previously socially inconvenient to any but Black men and independent thinkers, who was getting rolled under the combine of the hell people who fight nature created.

    “Otherwise, start promoting the end of this riduculous nonsense. A society cannot promote “equality” when half of the society prefers subconcious submission… and when they don’t recieve it, return love with hatred.”

    Love…what a strange concept.

    Tell me, could you love a bald woman with one breast?

    How about a fat woman?

    My guess is that your answers will revolve around people with defects you view as self inflicted not being worthy of love. However, you would say that I was wrong if I refused a man who had ever had skin cancer because spending time in the sun is a conscious choice.

    Besides, since their skin will be the same lightness forever, and the sun will come up every morning, chances are that they will get skin cancer again. So why would I want to date a former tumorey? He might have former tumor complex.

    Heheheheh…Love.

    Puhleaze.

    I am loved. You’re going to have a hard time convincing me that overly calculating people buying into a slut/cad culture that lauds sociopathy as ideal even have half a clue of what that means.

    “Seriously now.

    There is not much time left. The barbarians are gathering at the gates while you speak mere platitudes.”

    How do you figure dumping your supposed marriage minded values that could easily get you a homely but nice girl for life, for a hollow promise of endless casual sex with hot chicks, is un-barbaric.

    You’ve basically given barbarians your women to use and exploit when the hot chicks are busy or boring them. Then you blame them for believing that this is how they deserve to be treated. Then you turn around and either hate on them or don’t notice them if a hot sociopath is standing next to them. The hot girl might murder your kids, but she’s better because she’s hotter.

    …not that I should complain. This is how nature weeds out the weak and the sick. It’s just that women didn’t create the society by themselves.

    “A few years ago, a smart fella once told me about women:

    “Women would rather have 100% of nothing than 50% of something.”

    So far, I can’t say I’ve found evidence to refute this bold but accurate claim.”

    I think he is correct. I would personally rather have no man than do the act of breeding or bonding with an emotionally dead man. It is pointless.

    Sometimes I believe that women go for bad guys because, horrid as they may be, they’re alive…or some of them seem so.

    They have at least on the surface, passion.

    When one has never had or seen the real thing well, it’s like a glass of hot piss in the desert when you’re dying of thirst.

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  354. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin
    The type of Game that black dudes run is called ELEPHANT GAME.

    Black men prefer that black women resemble the greatest megabeasts of Africa. Since such beasts (elephant, rhino, hippo, cape buffalo) had no natural predators, they were admired by the black man. Black women who resemble these beasts in size, shape, color, and *texture* are prized by black men. It makes sense in terms of resource aggregation.

    I saw a black woman at Wal-mart so wide that she was brushing both sides of the aisle, knocking down products on both sides. A black dude would value such a woman, and would thus run Elephant Game on her.

    [editor: mu’min’s back. as far as running gags go, this one beats half sigma’s ‘death by cow’ posts.]

    You are truly an ignorant excuse of a human being.

    [editor: lighten up, francis.]

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  355. Ghost of Nicole recommended:

    it’s like a glass of hot piss in the desert when you’re dying of thirst.

    stop it. listing a menu of Indian delicacies here will only bring more Bollywood groupies in

    we have enough

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  356. Harmony

    I saw a black woman at Wal-mart so wide that she was brushing both sides of the aisle, knocking down products on both sides. A black dude would value such a woman, and would thus run Elephant Game on her.

    i seen that too, then he holla at her an she wrote down the digits on a foodstamp and got him a three 40s of Colt.45. she and specimen then left together

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  357. @tupac- cryptic. i guess the blast from the past is a chick with whom you had some sort of vanilla sky association in your mind. and i guess he’s better than penelope cruz as a representation of you (if not easier on the eyes for this board!). i still liked desmond better (he’s an awesome character) and i have never been able to stand tom cruise. but whatever works…

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  358. “Hindoo women – like feministx – have the highest body fat to weight ratio of all.”

    Know why? Hindus live on rice and vegetables.

    If you eat mostly meat, you will be toned and firm with absolutely no effort, like me.

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  359. Hmmm… Nicole,

    “There is no ex-beta”

    I would say that Brad Pitt is an ex-beta, wouldn’t you? Apparently, he was horrible with women before his fame… but now, would you call him a beta?

    I agree with you that one ought to work with nature rather than against it, which is what men learning about game is all about.

    I tend to view “Alpha” and “Beta” as a little more fluid/fluxuating throughout a man’s life. There are alpha times and beta times.

    http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2008/03/love-is-for-suckers-blood-suckers.html

    In my own life, I can see that I have had alpha-phases and beta-phases… although, I didn’t always recognize “what” made the difference – well, some of the times, anyway.

    16-22yrs old – I got laid like the dickens, was a bad boy, partied lots, fought anyone who dared diss me, got in trouble with the cops (heh, it’s all pardoned now)…. had long term girlfriends plus plenty of wild and memorable flings with pretty hot young chicks. The Alpha years!

    23yrs old – decided to get serious about life… didn’t get laid much anymore. Beta year

    24 to 26yrs old – Got into serious, long-term, betafied commonlaw relationship… I cared… caring turned her off… she punished me for turning her off. “The beta years”

    27yrs old – Was horribly upset by bitchy ex-girlfriend plotting against me all the time (Small town – 5,000 people, “not talking” and “ignoring” was not much of a remedy). Did not get laid much. A “beta year”

    28 to 30yrs old – Started to notice behavioural patterns amongst people I had known my whole life – decided to begin observing how relationships worked, discovered “the cycle”, realized women prefer aggressive behaviour… got over the ex, started partying again… beat the living piss out of a guy in front of crowded neighbourhood pub, who always was pestering me & thus re-established my credibility… totalled my car… recieved cool scar on forehead and complementary cool scar on side of face below ear… (I actually really do like the forehead one – it’s not glaring, but it’s definitely there). Didn’t give a fuck about anything under the sun. Got laid like fucking CRAZY… Alpha years.

    31yrs old – Beta year… don’t know why… kinda quit caring, I guess.

    32 to 34yrs old – small town boy moves to big city. Refuses to dress like a faggoty metrosexual, despite all the faggotty metrosexuals freaking out that I wouldn’t get laid… discovered that chics often dig small town boys… played it up beautifully… got laid like crazy despite my fashion faux pas lifestyle. Very Alpha years.

    35 to 37yrs old – Diagnosed/treated for cancer… hard to play alpha, believe it or not… discovered that women really have zero empathy for men… learned that women scorn men even for getting ill… girlfriend started hating me for it and began cheating on me… BOOT… started reading, reading, reading, reading… and, btw, I read a lot. Very, very, very beta years.


    “Women have no sympathy… And my experience of women is almost as large as Europe. And it is so intimate too. Women crave for being loved, not for loving. They scream at you for sympathy all day long, they are incapable of giving you any in return for they cannot remember your affairs long enough to do so.” — Florence Nightingale

    38yrs old – Clean bill of health… shake it off… learn to live normal again… half beta/half alpha.

    39yrs old – Watch the fuck out, cause here I come.

    Alpha is a state of mind. One can always change their state of mind. “Naturals” just already have that state of mind and haven’t yet “lost it” and had to find it back… but, I have seen lots of fellas fall from grace after a decade of spectacular performance… and, I’ve also seen them get their game back.

    Physical fitness, posture, conversational skills etc… it is not merely that these things are “physically” attractive, but they are things that alter your own state of mind – ie. they naturally give you confidence about yourself – confidence in yourself is the true alpha trait.

    Never seen a woman get her game back though… once the aging sets in, you chicks are forced to play “scraggly hag game” and no state of mind is gonna help you one bit.

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  360. fedrz

    Interesting timeline

    I really doubt you’d have had any serious beta periods other than due to serious illness which hardly really counts, if you’d discovered CH at e.g. 22.

    35 to 37yrs old – Diagnosed/treated for cancer… hard to play alpha, believe it or not… discovered that women really have zero empathy for men… learned that women scorn men even for getting ill… girlfriend started hating me for it and began cheating on me…

    That is HEAVILY the current culture. Women were never the natually empathetic creatures to all men that e.g. the Victorians pretended they were, but that cultural standard and set of expectations did make them much more that way and through the 50s and some of the 60s than they are now I think.

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  361. Fedrz, I don’t know enough about Brad Pitt’s life to say whether he’s alpha or beta. I do know fame gets guys laid, so anthropologically speaking, he’s the alpha male of his fans. Psychologically, I can’t say, but he did score a couple of hot wives with some status of their own, the latter of which seems very dedicated despite her many options. So I can say he seems to be doing pretty well for himself.

    You, on the other hand, are a natural. Who else is getting laid a lot at 16???

    You had dry spells, and you fell in love and did what you *YOU* felt was the right thing for them. Aside of the illness, none of that was out of your control.

    Even the kind of bitchery you had to deal with is the normal kind of stuff alphas come across. Women play whatever games they feel they need to play to get next to you, but those kinds of women don’t have the real nurturing capacity to stick around if something happens that you’re no longer the “rock”.

    The ones who did, you passed over. It might not have been your fault since if a guy has a choice between two equally caring women, he’s usually going to pick the hot one. No problem so long as she’s real. Big problem if it was just a facade.

    I don’t think you were ever beta…just badly socialized and lied to like most guys here. Very few who don’t understand something is wrong would even go looking for ways to fix it. So maybe our “argument” is just semantic. I would call what you call beta years, “the tides happening to turn away from the badly misinformed”.

    I’m female, so I know I’m going to miss some angles and aspects of this, but I can say good on you for waking up.

    What I can’t say is that it’s not a loss if what you would like is a committed partner. It’s sad to give up on a dream because some stupid people are just being the way nature made them: stupid.

    About the old lady thing, you’re right. It’s sad and confusing to me to see women who barely have a sex drive anyway, acting desperate for pity sex. I don’t get it. Maybe that’s how they measured their entire worth when they were younger, and they’re stuck in a rutt.

    So you know nature is pretty cruel to women too. Women in that rutt look far more ridiculous than older men do.

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  362. @tupac- cryptic.

    I like Desmond better too, and while I have not yet seen enough Lost to get to the reunion, imagine how disillusioning it would be to discover Penny only “found” Desmond while she was in the midst of a crumbling marriage to one of Widmore’s young rising stars. With two rugrats in tow, no less. Est-ce clair maintenant?

    I’ve been known to be a romantic now and then…

    But not quite that romantic.

    Re: Cruise – I was looking for something that represented waking up from a lucid nightmare. But moods change and I suspect I shall be shuffling avatar deck once more.

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  363. Folks,
    The cruel reality is black dudes are more alpha/masculine.
    Black women are more alphamasculine/less attractive.
    Asain males are more feminine/less attractive.
    Asain females are more feminine/more attractive.
    Middle-Eastern women or any international women for that matter make American women look like disgusting asexual hogs because that is what most American women look like. They are world’s grossest chicks percentage-wise. When you meet hot chick in America, they are almost always from somewhere else.

    I dont care about Okcupid. Black dudes who use Okcupid are gay or oreos.

    I have lived in NYC, London, Toronto and Montreal. America is one of the few places that tries hard as hell to destroy black-male alpha superiority but trust me, even there, as a black male, white women approach me every where, esp. NYC. Btw, I am not talking about 6/7s. I mean, 8’s and up and particularly the blonde hair blue-eyed variety, which white dudes go all ga-ga over.

    It hurts white males I know to face this reality but it is just the truth. I am (admittedly) a handsome fella (or so I have been told). But let’s face it, part of it is that: people are racist. And the worst black male stereotypes all lend to alpha superiority: criminal, sexual aggressive, tall, well-endowed, overly confident, althelitic/muscular, etc. The only negative one is poverty and once that is contradicted, guess what? Ask any semi-wealthy black male if he has a problem with women (~”99 Problems and a b***ch aint one”).

    White women especially 8’s and up are the most likely to go for black dudes. Hence, why the club is the black males’ domain and the place for the easiest lay. White dudes I know hate clubs. Its easiest place to get laid. And also, stripper joints. Strippers/sex industry types absolutely love black dudes.

    Okcupid is no indication of anything, it is filled with desperate women. The ratio of attractive women is one to thirty at best. And I can bet my gonads, that the small percentage of hot women on there tend to be most likely to date black dudes.

    I will admit this : really sqaure women are the exception. They do not tend to go for black dudes.

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  364. on October 9, 2009 at 9:25 pm Fresh Perspective

    It makes logical sense that men would go for younger women, but in real life, I’m seeing ALOT of younger guys with older women. What’s up with that?

    To each their own, I’ve nothing against it, but reading sites like these, one would think it’s outlier, whereas what I’m seeing in the real world is that it is quite common.

    Maybe some of you men who have dated or married older women can speak as to what drew you.

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  365. on October 9, 2009 at 9:36 pm Fresh Perspective

    Bonnie
    “Hindoo women – like feministx – have the highest body fat to weight ratio of all.”

    Know why? Hindus live on rice and vegetables.

    If you eat mostly meat, you will be toned and firm with absolutely no effort, like me.

    …………………..

    Americans consume the largest amounts of meat on the planet – and we are the most obese.

    FemX, by the way, is fit and trim.

    I’m not a meat eater and I’m totally firm.

    All my meat eating family and friends on the otherhand….

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  366. Fresh, it is an anomaly, and it will pass.

    I’ve dated younger guys only because there was nothing else available where I live. A few of them were very nice, but had younger guy issues I didn’t feel like dealing with. A couple of them, I even referred to women who were more their real type.

    At some point I decided that if this was what there was, since my sex drive has slowed to a monthly passing thought, it wasn’t worth the bother. Now I just keep to myself in actual practice, though I do skill occasionally kind of flirt if I know it’ll get me a discount on things at the market or notified of sales.

    Old ladies are old. We have a different set of priorities than younger women. We’re doing our crafts, making some money, and trying not to die of something too terribly painful.

    Leave us alone unless you want to marry our daughters.

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