Don’t Be This

herbie the love beta

herbie the love beta

When you visualize beta, he’s not always a loveless nerdo who repels girls. Sometimes, he’s the guy in the photo above nestled snugly in his girlfriend’s bosom… in public.

Here we have a prime specimen.

  • Fat chipmunk cheeks betraying aversion to physical exertion
  • Asian girlfriend hotter, and thinner, than what he could pull in a white girlfriend
  • Rumpled, oversized khaki pants with room for three accidental shits
  • Fingers intertwined like spaghetti — herb spaghetti
  • Soft Palmolive hands from years of tapping keyboards and studiously avoiding manual labor
  • Leaning into his girlfriend, displaying a complete gender role reversal
  • Blissfully unaware of his horrid betaness and everyone secretly laughing at him

Some may wonder, how does this beta manage to score a decent looking girlfriend who apparently loves him? We can only surmise. Nine inch cock? A reasonable assumption, but he couldn’t play that card until after she’s agreed to sleep with him. Bank? A more likely scenario, but provider beta status doesn’t work on cute chicks like it used to. This is yupville, after all. Soft polygamy is the rule in the big coastal cities. Closet alpha with tight game? A lot of guys you wouldn’t suspect by their normal daytime behavior handle their girls with a firm pimp hand behind closed doors. But if this guy has girlfriend management game, he’s not showing it at all. Guys with even a bare minimum understanding of women and basic game skills know better than to curl up into their girlfriend’s bosom IN PUBLIC like a cat wanting to be petted. Odds are good that this herbus maximus has no game.

Best answer: She’s Asian.

No non-fatty white girlfriend would tolerate such nauseating beta shit for long. His ass would be dumped as soon as the bartender winked at her. Is it any wonder guys like this hone in on Asian girls? I don’t blame them. With the Asian girlfriend, they get to be all the beta they can be, without fear of reprisal. And they don’t have to settle for a fat chick.

To my beta readers: If you do manage to land a cute girlfriend, for the love of all that is manly, don’t ever do what this guy is doing. Think of this blog post, imprint that photo to memory, and you’ll thank me later for saving your relationship.





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  1. One of my friends has no game whatsoever – as in he’s 22 and has never been laid, and showed no signs of being able to get anywhere with women, at all. Now he has a pretty cute asian girlfriend.

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  2. One of my friends has no game whatsoever – as in he’s 22 and has never been laid, and showed no signs of being able to get anywhere with women, at all. Now he has a pretty cute asian girlfriend.

    Are you American? Is your friend also American? Is his cute girlfriend American? Or foreign?

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  3. This woman looks about 10 years older than him.

    Is it just the photo or was that actually the case, from what you could tell when you took the picture?

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  4. Maybe they love each other and they don’t worry about silly games? Just a crazy thought.

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  5. Did you use Roosh there for cover? I don’t think the ladies were fooled.

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  6. I find the look of those two harpies to be more entertaining.

    Actually I find the most chump thing of all is that these retards are asleep on the Metro. This is only acceptable if you are piss-fucking-drunk. In a more animalistic way, a smart man would stay awake to keep watch.

    The asian conjecture is right on, I’m afraid. Thankfully I don’t find asian facial structure to be attractive, so I managed to avoid that trap.

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  7. Save a relationship, Roissy?

    Please. More like prolong the suffering.

    Very few relationships will survive without some level of game unless the reason for the relationship is either lack of other options (rare but plausible) or substantive issues lurking beneath the surface unapparent to the casual observer (more likely).

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  8. Did anyone else see Madagascar Two ?
    The skinny beta male competes with the Giant muscular Alpha and winds up with the girl in the end.

    Sort of provides a counterpoint to Roissy’s theories

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  9. Maybe they love each other and they don’t worry about silly games?

    Paul, when you put on deodorant before going to work and dress nicely to a Thanksgiving dinner, are you “playing silly games?”

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  10. Stu,

    I’ll say it for everyone here:

    That’s a movie you moron.

    Sincerely,
    The Roissy Blog-Reading Community

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  11. STU: Of course. The Disney lie of the nice guy with a heart-of-gold gets the girl must be perpetuated. Didn’t you see Dr. Horrible’s Sing Along Blog? Even when the nice guy anti-hero wins, he still loses, and the girls dies thinking of the alpha.

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  12. I’ve always been of the opinion that guys that dig on Asians lack game but I recently got to know this one white guy with adequate game, tall good looking kid that much to my surprise says he targets Asian women exclusively now. I’m not into Asian girls but he has what I would call a hot Asian girlfriend, about an 8+ but she’s got alot of anglo features for sure. I know he is tapping a couple more “conventional” looking Asians on the side. He says and I can confirm with my own experience that Asians don’t require as much game and he has a comparative advantage. Many Asian women prefer to date white guys and will sometimes throw themselves on them. I have had several Asian girls tell me that they don’t like dating within their own race because they feel like they’re banging their cousin. Long story short, you can build a harem more easily with Asian girls.

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  13. The Disney lie of the nice guy with a heart-of-gold gets the girl must be perpetuated.

    It’s not just Disney. This weekend I watched “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” on DVD. Same thing. The lead character — a herb extraordinaire — was fought over by his hot TV actress ex-girlfriend who just dumped her rock star boyfriend and a gorgeous hotel receptionist with a taste for violent Hawaiian guys.

    At least Knocked-Up made the 0 m-e g a male + Heigl coupling plausible as a drunken misunderstanding. Not so in this movie.

    … speaking of violence, one theme I’m picking up on in romantic comedies is the the pacifist punching bag meme. Wedding Crashers, Sarah Marshall, a couple others I can’t recall right now, all feature leading men who get beaten up badly by some guy during the course of the movie, simetimes in front of the girl who falls in love with them.

    It’s not that a bigger and stronger maniac kicks their ass; it’s the fact that they don’t even raise their fists to block a punch, much less attempt one. Instead, they get punched across the face, hit after hit, while standing there, martyr-like, trying to talk sensibly to their assailant. What’s up with that?

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  14. Roissy.

    Herbs may date Asians, but real men do as well.

    Reason being: Some Asians are hot!

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  15. Looks less like bf/gf than owner/pet. He’s the pet.

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  16. Roissy.

    Herbs may date Asians, but real men do as well.

    Reason being: Some Asians are hot!

    Some women of EVERY race are hot. Doesn’t change the point that Asian girls are the go-to option for white betas with zero game.

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  17. go-to option for white betas with zero game.

    Is that “FoB” women only (foreign-born) or americanized ones as well?

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  18. “It’s not that a bigger and stronger maniac kicks their ass; it’s the fact that they don’t even raise their fists to block a punch, much less attempt one. Instead, they get punched across the face, hit after hit, while standing there, martyr-like, trying to talk sensibly to their assailant. What’s up with that?”

    The meme is never stand up to an assailant or a bully. They want to destroy the kids who watch these movies.

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  19. on December 15, 2008 at 11:11 am ironrailsironweights

    … speaking of violence, one theme I’m picking up on in romantic comedies is the the pacifist punching bag meme. Wedding Crashers, Sarah Marshall, a couple others I can’t recall right now, all feature leading men who get beaten up badly by some guy during the course of the movie, simetimes in front of the girl who falls in love with them.
    It’s not that a bigger and stronger maniac kicks their ass; it’s the fact that they don’t even raise their fists to block a punch, much less attempt one. Instead, they get punched across the face, hit after hit, while standing there, martyr-like, trying to talk sensibly to their assailant. What’s up with that?

    Doesn’t surprise me. “Never fight back” is a lesson that millions of men have taken to heart. It’s rammed down our throats starting in school, where kids who fight back against unprovoked attacks are punished as severely as their attackers. If you are a middle (or higher) class adult man, the idea of slamming your fist into another man’s face is completely unthinkable in all but the most extreme circumstances, and maybe not even then. Fighting back? That’s something only other people do: ghetto gangbangers, rednecks, drunken fratboys.

    Peter

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  20. PA

    go-to option for white betas with zero game.

    Is that “FoB” women only (foreign-born) or americanized ones as well?

    -more americanized than fobs. These asian women are definitely traitors. I’m not asian but I will never date one because their treachery disgusts me.

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  21. Is that “FoB” women only (foreign-born) or americanized ones as well?

    I think it’s worse with the Americanized ones from my experience. A lot of the FoB ones can still be very into their culture and want someone of similar culture to be with, especially if their English is not too strong. The Americanized ones, particularly the ones who didn’t grow up with too many other Asians around (“twinkies”) take the cake to me.

    For example I remember one time I was drinking and hanging out with a group, one of whom was an Americanized Asian girl. All the beta white guys in the group were obviously crushing on her. We were all taking polaroids and getting drunker. She kept criticizing the pictures of herself, the beta white guys kept reassuring her that she was indeed beautiful, it all reeked of attention whoring and fishing for compliments to me, so I told her that yes, the pictures were just “okay” but could indeed stand some improvement.

    She then said to me, in disgust, out of earshot of the others while examining herself in the polaroids, “God…I just look so…so…Asian.” And kept saying things like that. Like “Asian” was a physical defect in and of itself. Was a real turn-off. She was really drunk at this point, so I think she was being a bit more forthright than she would have been sober. But I do know this girl grew up with almost all white people, so she may have always felt like an ugly duckling or an outsider compared to the white girls. I think whenever she won the attention of a white man it validate her in her mind and showed her she was indeed as good-looking as the white girls she grew up comparing herself too.

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  22. When I was younger (like 12 years old) I would have mugged him.

    But all he probably would have is three credit cards and a twenty.

    Still, enough for some cigarettes and booze for an ambitious young prototype G/Playboy.

    – MPM

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  23. Or maybe what’s going on is an exception. Jesus. Maybe the couple is atypical. Maybe the behavior described is atypical. The thing about game is that it doesn’t always work and it isn’t always best. It’s a set of best rules. But there are exceptions. Human beings are amazingly variable. They want and respond to many different things. Are guys better off learning game or pursuing one of those exceptional girls? Learning game, easy. But that doesn’t mean that game is absolutely necessary for a happy romantic life.

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  24. PA: “This woman looks about 10 years older than him.”

    Pupu’s hypothesis: lying horizontally with its eyes shut would make a living animal look (its age-1) years younger.

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  25. Do you think that these US-born or assimilated Asian girls actively prefer beta white guys, all else being equal, to a beta aisan guy and an alpha white guy? Just curious about how the dynamic works.

    Hope used to go on about how she likes betas, how her husband is a loveable beta, but something always told me that he was more a devil-may-care alpha than she had let on.

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  26. Pupu, also, the camera can age a woman.

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  27. Just when I thought this blog was going downhill you managed to bring your A game with this piece.

    Good shit.

    Two thumbs up.

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  28. Maybe all her alpha ex-boyfriends were driven away by the constant index finger-sodomy. That doughboy doesn’t look like he’s said no to anything lately.

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  29. Doesn’t that photo remind you of the naked John Lennon like an infant curled up to Yoko Ono?

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  30. [i]Paul, when you put on deodorant before going to work and dress nicely to a Thanksgiving dinner, are you “playing silly games?” [/i]

    Maybe the guy in the picture is secure enough with his masculinity that he does not have to play a game to try to please the girl. He is who he is and if she doesn’t like it she can leave. He doesn’t have to memorize the “dos” and the “don’ts” of a game to try to win the approval of a woman. Obviously, it seems to be working for him.

    Maybe there is more to life than desperately seeking the validation and approval of women. Could it be that the “beta” male in such a relaxed pose with no pretense of trying to please a woman is actually the real Alpha? And the guys that worry about every gesture they make in order to please women are actually the betas?

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  31. @ Paul

    were you writing that with your wife/girlfriend hovering over you, or was she actually moving your fingers for you?

    silly or not, we’re all playing games. and if you’re not playing, chances are, you’re being played. decide for yourself which is preferable.

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  32. Maybe the guy in the picture is secure enough with his masculinity that he does not have to play a game to try to please the girl.

    So do you go to a client meeting unshaven because you’re secure in your professionalism?

    Roissy does entertain the possibility that this guy might have all kinds of qualities that attract women. But the overall impression that this photo gives is one of helpless herbitude.

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  33. You can’t just dismiss a hot girl/dorky guy pairing with, “she’s asian.” PA is on the right track a few comments up.

    Dorky white guy/asian girl pairings in which the guy seems to be punching above his weight are fairly common. This means either 1) Asian girls would prefer to bang alpha guys, but these men are passing them over, or 2) Asian girls prefer provider-type guys to a greater extent than American girls. My money is on #2.

    Also, the supply-and-demand dating market is far from perfectly competitive. Maybe dorky guys and asian girls hook up because they have more similar interests and thus spend more time in contact with each other. Exhibit A being the math-intensive graduate program I’m in, composed almost entirely of nerdy guys and asian girls.

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  34. **were you writing that with your wife/girlfriend hovering over you, or was she actually moving your fingers for you?**
    Shaming language is a very feminine trait. True Alphas don’t speak like women.

    **silly or not, we’re all playing games. and if you’re not playing, chances are, you’re being played. decide for yourself which is preferable.**

    Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

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  35. Hey, here’s an idea: mass immigration of young asian women.

    1) If, as it seems, Asian women are more amenable to dating and marrying beta guys, it might reverse (or at least slow) the trend towards polygamy and childlessness.

    2) Asian immigrants will be more productive and less prone to crime and dependency on social programs because of, ahem, “cultural factors.”

    3) Asian chicks are hot

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  36. mass immigration of young asian women

    As John Derbyshitre tells it, Chairman Mao once asked a U.S. president (Nixon? Ike?) if he’d like to get several million or so young Chinese women. A win-win: China staves off famines and unrest due to a population explosion, the US gets, um, whatever it is a country gets from importing lots of smart and comely young women.

    The President said no.

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  37. with a bit of good ole’ fashioned Oedipal complex thrown in for good measure. that is in fact fucking nauseating. christ.

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  38. Derbyshire.

    Damn, I’m making lots of sloppy typos today.

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  39. Gunner – “happy romantic life” = oxymoron

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  40. on December 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm secret asian man

    Why are Asian girls like condoms?

    They’re always in your wallet when you want them on your dick.

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  41. Might I remind everyone that women are capricious and that in point of fact we are clueless as to the dynamic that brought these two together.

    For all we know she is a fierce dominatrix behind closed-doors and gets off dominating beta-Doughboy into the ground.

    Or she equally could be just a woman looking for a kind, sweet, tender male after being used and abused by an alpha.

    I’ve actually met both the couples described above and you would never know it from just looking at them.

    Then again, it might be the predilection of Asian women for stable providers…..

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  42. You can’t just dismiss a hot girl/dorky guy pairing with, “she’s asian.” PA is on the right track a few comments up.

    Dorky white guy/asian girl pairings in which the guy seems to be punching above his weight are fairly common. This means either 1) Asian girls would prefer to bang alpha guys, but these men are passing them over, or 2) Asian girls prefer provider-type guys to a greater extent than American girls. My money is on #2.

    Also, the supply-and-demand dating market is far from perfectly competitive. Maybe dorky guys and asian girls hook up because they have more similar interests and thus spend more time in contact with each other. Exhibit A being the math-intensive graduate program I’m in, composed almost entirely of nerdy guys and asian girls.

    Even though you’re taking the time to explain it in-depth, it still boils down to “Because she’s Asian.”

    Also, I don’t buy the whole “similar interests, therefore spend more time together” excuse. Don’t those math-intensive programs have a ton of Asian guys too? Also, not every Asian girl with a white guy fetish is enrolled in some nerdy program. I’ve seen the same thing with Americanized Asian girls of all walks of life. I just think it simply comes down to the fact that when you fetishize a trait, your standards go down whenever you encounter that trait. If someone fetishizes white guys, she doesn’t need to hold out for an alpha white guy, she’s just happy with anyone who’s white. Since there are so many more betas than alphas, and she’s just looking for anyone white, she’ll of course be more likely to end up with a beta. On the opposite end, if someone has a natural aversion to a trait, their standards go up whenever encountering that trait.

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  43. The chick in the picture has a magnificent GNP.

    Peter

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  44. By the way guys, the most beta ad…EVER.

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  45. i’ve thought a lot about the white male/asian female thing. mostly because i just don’t get it. it’s likely that there’s no one specific cause, but a number of factors at play. here’s some that come to mind:

    -in once of his novels michel houllebecq talks about some contemporary drive towards miscegenation. i don’t know how much truth there is in this, but it has some strength as a narrative. if people come to feel trapped or constrained by the particular culture in which they were raised, they might react by wanting to marry out of it. that way they can discard all the negative things they associate with their inherited culture, but hold on to the things they like. an example might be a jewish man who’s been told since childhood by his mother and grandmother that he needs to marry a jewish woman.

    -the ‘yellow fever’ thing is definitely mostly a white guy thing. and i think it has to do with trying to find a woman who is as accepting, indulgent, and non-judgmental as your mother. most black men don’t have a specific affinity for asian women, because those traits generally don’t describe they’re relationship with their mothers. so, black men may fetishize white women because they’re seen as less ‘bitchy’ than black women, but still know how to give enough of an attitude to keep things interesting.

    -americans have been taught since birth not to settle; the sky is the limit. american women carry that idea into adulthood, and it keeps them aiming for their ideal man. a lot of immigrant cultures have no such illusions, so a high-achieving beta-male provider is exactly what they’re looking for in a husband.

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  46. “Dorky white guy/asian girl pairings in which the guy seems to be punching above his weight are fairly common.”

    Yes, but so far no one has mentioned that it might just be the case that these relatively good looking asian girls do not see their boyfriends as “dorky”. I remember once finding myself in a Korea Town bar with a Korean acquaintance. I’m not particularly keen on Asian chicks but the bar maid was hot and I told the Korean guy this. “You only say that because she has European-type features, I don’t find her attractive at all”. He then gestured across the room to my girl’s stumpy, shovel-faced, assless colleague. “What do you think about her,” he asked, with a totally unironic leer.

    That got me thinking, and maybe it should get the people on this site thinking, too. A lot of the talk here assumes that there is only one sexual market out there, and that one’s ranking is assigned in a quasi-objective, nearly universal and permanent (well, unless they get “game”) way. But why ever would you think that? Wouldn’t the idea of multiple, overlapping and sometimes competing sexual markets do a better job of covering the phenomena (e.g., the picture above)?

    I’m all for biological reductionism but the social sciences must be given their due. Maybe the chick in the photo thinks all whites guys look the same (white women have this problem with black guys after all) and so can’t tell that she has a loser on her arm. Or maybe the physical signs of betatude in his case correspond to alpha male traits wherever she’s from — the plump hands, cheeky face, stumpy legs, etc.

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  47. @T – Yeah, that is an obnoxious commercial. It was the subject of one of my YouTube videos.

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  48. maybe the physical signs of betatude in his case correspond to alpha male traits wherever she’s from — the plump hands, cheeky face, stumpy legs, etc.

    That’s a pretty good point. I can see how in that woman’s mind the Sleeping Herbie can be a stand-in for the type of aplha she’s familiar with: a pudgy, arrogant local Communist bureaucrat pushing the lean and tanned, nervously deferential field-peasants around.

    As I recall it from the movie Killing Fields, having soft/pudgy hands were a tell-tale sign of one’s needing to be thrown into a reeducation deathcamp.

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  49. Yes, but so far no one has mentioned that it might just be the case that these relatively good looking asian girls do not see their boyfriends as “dorky”. I remember once finding myself in a Korea Town bar with a Korean acquaintance. I’m not particularly keen on Asian chicks but the bar maid was hot and I told the Korean guy this. “You only say that because she has European-type features, I don’t find her attractive at all”. He then gestured across the room to my girl’s stumpy, shovel-faced, assless colleague. “What do you think about her,” he asked, with a totally unironic leer.

    I think the key is that in your case, you admit that you aren’t particularly keen on Asian chicks. Therefore when you like an Asian chick, you’ll like the one who most resembles the kind of chick you ARE keen on, which I assume is a white chick. If you aren’t keen on Asian chicks, of course you’ll choose the one that looks least Asian. So your case is different than that of the yellow fever fetishist. He probably would like both the Asian girl you like AND the one your Asian girl your friend like. All the fetishist cares about is the existence of the fetish in their partner.

    Maybe the chick in the photo thinks all whites guys look the same (white women have this problem with black guys after all) and so can’t tell that she has a loser on her arm.

    I’ve never heard of this concept with white women and black men. Not saying there’s no merit to it, just haven’t encountered it. I’d love for some white women here to give their 2 cents on this topic.

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  50. That’s a pretty good point. I can see how in that woman’s mind the Sleeping Herbie can be a stand-in for the type of aplha she’s familiar with: a pudgy, arrogant local Communist bureaucrat pushing the lean and tanned, nervously deferential field-peasants around.

    As I recall it from the movie Killing Fields, having soft/pudgy hands were a tell-tale sign of one’s needing to be thrown into a reeducation deathcamp.

    It’s a decent point, but it seems like something that would affect FoBs more than the American-born Asian women, yet the latter seem to have beta-white-guy fever the most. (Only anecdotally speaking, admittedly)

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  51. on December 15, 2008 at 2:02 pm ROISSY THE FRAUD

    Roissy is clearly a fraud – the amount of time he spends blogging and commenting all over the blogosphere reveals his nerdy betaness.

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  52. If:

    Very interesting post, but I think you underestimate how transferable beauty is across cultures. Maybe your buddy was fucking with you?

    T:

    If beta guys and asian girls aren’t meeting at school/work or wherever, where are they meeting? Did chipmunk-cheeks go up and start grinding on her ass in a nightclub? Seems doubtful.

    The similar-interests theory of beta/asian pairings assumes that: 1) beta men and asian girls are more likely than chance to study/work together, and 2) People who study/work together are more likely than chance to start dating. #2 is especially true of beta men who don’t approach, and are basically limited to the girls in their social circle as potential mates.

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  53. I’ve never heard of this concept with white women and black men.

    Maybe not to the point of all black guys looking alike from these women’s perspective, but I’ve seen the indiscriminate approval of any and all black guys in a few white women that were strongly inclined in that direction.

    One girl in particular I knew in college, a roommate in a coed group-house. She was more or less indifferent toward white guys but she’d send massive buying signals to any black dude she came across. Any. No matter his age, looks, game or lack thereof, or level of interest in her. I’m talking UPS man, pizza delivery guy, a friend of one of the other roommates, etc.

    Obviously, black guys didn’t all look alike to her, but her interest in them was as if they did.

    By the way, at first she hit on me too. How should I read that? 😉

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  54. I’d love for some white women here to give their 2 cents on this topic.

    As Zdeno stated, Asian women seek providers.

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  55. Good point that “If” is just not that into asian chicks, ergo he would not find shovel-face attractive. But I gotta ask: is ANYONE really into the shovel-faced look?

    I am a big fan of asian girls and have dated a few recently who I thought were very good looking. But when I think of the Asian girls who I find attractive, they generally have more European features and are usually mixed-race to some degree. 100% Chinese girls in particular don’t really do it for me.

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  56. Good topic. I’d have to think more about the whole Asian Woman/White Male thing a bit more bevore I have an opinion. In the meantime though, I think Roissy’s observations about body language are very important.

    This is something I’ve been more aware of in myself, and I’ve found it to WORK. For example, I’ve been experimenting with slowing down my walk, just a step or so, along with doing the same thing in my speech. Doing things like that convey authority and control, the opposite being anarchy/chaos/being out of control.

    We have to remember Gentlemen, that Women are EXTREMELY sensitive o these kinds of things. What may not seem like a big deal to us really is to them.

    So much of it flies just under the radar, man. After reading Mystery Method, and as well Roissy’s views and recalling the way many of my mentors did things, really made me consider doing things differently.

    Oh, and I’ve been “mini-testing” a lot of Mystery’s stuff, too. Very interesting results.

    For example, recently I had to make a run outta state. At the train station, as I strode from one side to the other, I could “feel” the Female Eyes on me. And, because I had on my Alpine shades, I could see quite a few straight out checking me out. Cap-Up, Shiny Shit strikes again.

    Then, when I was on the train, I got a glimpse of Mystery’s Proximity Alert System:

    When we pulled into Princeton Station I was looking out the window in a nonchalant way, and as I passed my eyes over the crowd, a cute Indian w/long black hair locked eyes on me. I figured she’d get on one of the other cars.

    And who do you expect to see standing with her back to me, in the area of my seats? Yup, that same, Princeton Indian gal. The thing about I was that the train wasn’t crowded at all, but she just stood there, with her back to me. Hmm.

    Oh, by the way, just confirmed that we will be hitting a few parties XMas weekend, and on New Year’s Eve at least one big bash. I’ve been told that they’ll be Black, White & Latinas in attendance, and my Wingman will be my ace, Ricky The Cancer. I’m in the process of getting everything together for the next few weeks now. And I’ll report the results, so stay tuned.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  57. He is as much of an accessory as that stupid scarf she is wearing. Every asian woman I see flaunts this scarf, probably bought at the outlet mall. Asians are terribly brand-conscious and cheap at the same time. White is a brand, and betas are cheap.

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  58. If beta guys and asian girls aren’t meeting at school/work or wherever, where are they meeting? Did chipmunk-cheeks go up and start grinding on her ass in a nightclub? Seems doubtful.

    Now you’re broadening it to just “school” and you’re including “work.” That’s a little different than what you said before. Before you were making it seem like hyperspecific shared interest like applied math. That’s where I differed with you. They may meet in schools or at work, but shared interests aren’t the reason. They could have two totally different majors with almost no classes in common. Even if the Asian girl is a liberal arts major you see this trend.

    And even if it did come down to hyperspecific shared interest like high-level math classes, like I pointed out before aren’t there a ton of Asian guys in these classes too? If it was strictly about shared interests, most of these Asian girls would be hooking up with the Asian guys over the beta whites in these classes, since the Asian guys not only share the same curriculum but also share the same ethnicity and culture and family values as well.

    As for where else beta whites can meet Asians? Living in the same dorm, meeting through mutual friends and at house parties, meeting at bars, networking functions, pool halls…there are a ton of places. Also, it’s not unfathomable for a beta white guy to approach an Asian girl he doesn’t know. I’ve seen many beta white guys who have no game act bolder and with more confidence when dealing with Asian girls, because they claim they get shot down a lot less, and less harshly than when they approach other types of girls.

    The similar-interests theory of beta/asian pairings assumes that: 1) beta men and asian girls are more likely than chance to study/work together, and 2) People who study/work together are more likely than chance to start dating. #2 is especially true of beta men who don’t approach, and are basically limited to the girls in their social circle as potential mates.

    I’d agree with this theory is so many of these Asian girls weren’t strictly dating white guys and explicitly passing over Asian guys. But many of them specifically say they don’t date Asian guys, and use excuses like “It’s like dating a relative.” That to me says that similarity is NOT a major motivator here. A white guy fetish is. They could find tons of Asian boyfriends in these high-level math and engineering classes if similarities were the biggest factor at play.

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  59. Obviously, black guys didn’t all look alike to her, but her interest in them was as if they did.

    Ah, you mean white chicks with a black guy fetish! Yeah, in that case I agree. Some real truth to that. “If” made it seem like it was something with all white chicks.

    By the way, at first she hit on me too. How should I read that?

    Haha, no idea! 😉

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  60. Anonymouse 2:24 pm has hit the nail on the head.

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  61. “By the way, at first she hit on me too. How should I read that?”

    No idea, Tyrone X Wisnowiecki…

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  62. First of all, the guy isn’t ugly, and the girl isn’t hot. Second, plenty of betas I know in NYC have girlfriends.

    That comment about the “three accidental shits” cracked me up.

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  63. T,
    You know I’ve always been the kind who liked a challenge, especially as I’ve gotten a weebit older; I love it when the Lady struggles a bit, LOL. There’s something very Primal in that, and I find it a huge turn on, kinda hard to concretely explain why.

    That’s why I’m chompin’ at the bit hoping I run into a “Hipster Blonde” type at these upcoming parties. I’ve been working hard on internalizing a lot of stuff, plus a few other things I’ve been working on, inside and out, so I’m like bring it.

    No Guts, no Glory.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  64. I note that Roissy did not say the pictured relationship was doomed, and thus, his “don’t ever do what this guy is doing” advice lacks force. Indeed, that guy might be happier in his current relationship than he could ever be following all of Roissy’s advice.

    She then said to me, in disgust, out of earshot of the others while examining herself in the polaroids, “God…I just look so…so…Asian.” And kept saying things like that. Like “Asian” was a physical defect in and of itself. Was a real turn-off.

    The Asian girl I recently wasted a year on once said something like that; I should have given up on her right then and there, heh. (Unsurprisingly, she’s now dating a white guy.)

    That got me thinking, and maybe it should get the people on this site thinking, too. A lot of the talk here assumes that there is only one sexual market out there, and that one’s ranking is assigned in a quasi-objective, nearly universal and permanent (well, unless they get “game”) way. But why ever would you think that? Wouldn’t the idea of multiple, overlapping and sometimes competing sexual markets do a better job of covering the phenomena (e.g., the picture above)?

    Definitely. I know there is near zero overlap between my market and Roissy’s, for instance, since I care about intellectual traits the way he and most other men care about beauty. Only 10-20% of what he writes is of value to me. (However, that 10-20% does a good job of addressing my worst mistakes.)

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  65. From the perspective of a white chick:

    I had the opportunity to observe this tendency first-hand in college. For some reason, I wound up with a disproportionate number of female Asian friends, both FOB and American. Along the personality spectrum, most would qualify as “soft” to “full-blown” Alpha types (Ivy League school, go figure) with looks ranging from about 5-8. I would say that none of these women were primarily on the lookout for a “provider” figure. However, ALL of them preferred white men and were actually quite disparaging of fellow Asian men, especially FOBs. American Asian men had a *slight* advantage. They tended to like “preppy-ish” tall white men, the “5” preferring more the classic beta “romantic” type while the best looking of my friends absolutely needed a dominant Alpha–if she didn’t get one, woe be the poor beta that she would batter into submission before gleefully dumping his pathetic ass. Interestingly, however, the “5” placed far greater emphasis on the man’s profession and earning potential in terms of seeking out an “equal” rather than a “provider” (this no doubt influenced by the fact that she was a business major.) As a whole, they placed a good deal of emphasis on cock size. Naturally, the “8” was the most particular in this aspect. However, none of them were even remotely interested in black men, not even as objects of curiosity.

    While many of the arguments presented above seem logical for women a bit lower down the social and educational scale, I think that there is an across-the-board tendency to fetishize white men. They are viewed as being at the top of the American male hierarchy, and well-educated Asian women are extremely status conscious. This may not explain the couple pictured above, but in my experience if I see a professional Asian chick, 9/10 she only fucks white men of status higher than her own.

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  66. Are jewish girls more like Asian girls (strong emphasis on education, high IQ) or like other white girls (flaky, trashy, etc.) as far as “game” goes?

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  67. NonAbsolut – what kind of guys do YOU like?

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  68. Is it any wonder guys like this hone in on Asian girls? I don’t blame them. With the Asian girlfriend, they get to be all the beta they can be, without fear of reprisal. And they don’t have to settle for a fat chick

    I think there are some white men who prefer Asian women because they like the beauty of Asian women. Let’s not forget that some men will date any woman they find attractive without considering race. I don’t believe that every AW/WM relationship is made up of a WW reject. That’s like saying BW who are in interracial relationships are BM rejects.

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  69. No idea, Tyrone X Wisnowiecki

    Touche!

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  70. Jack–

    I am a firm believer in the primacy of the western-educated post-colonial Arab male. The top 1% send their progeny to elite US institutions, and although these men are rich, successful, and culturally “Alpha,” there is a teeny-tiny inner spark of colonial resentment that bursts into an all-engulfing flame that can only be quenched by *attempting* to dominate their former white colonizer.

    When these men are hard to come by, I will occasionally settle for the über-Alpha white male whose cock and intellect are of equal quality.

    😉

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  71. Some random thoughts:

    1. When Asian women say, “I don’t date Asian men because it’s like dating a relative” I think it’s BS. You don’t hear black women saying dating black men is like dating a relative or white women or Hispanic women saying this shit. Asian men are simply low man on the totem pole in American society and some Asian women are superficial and can’t admit that they want to trade up.

    2. There’s only so many permutations of ethnic pairings so it’s not surprising that Asian women end up with white men. If you want an attractive, naturally thin, feminine, educated, relatively docile woman, Asian women fit the bill. So you can’t blame white men for going after this (or any other women). What makes the white male-Asian female pairing so salient is the LACK of Asian male-white female pairings. Asian men don’t want unattractive white women (especially when there are attractive Asian women around) and the hot white women aren’t interested in Asian men because they’re not perceived as attractive. As an Asian male myself, I’m not wallowing in pity — if I want the hot woman who is thin but stacked then I can’t blame a woman for looking at superficial traits like height, etc.

    3. I don’t understand the concept of the Asian female fetish. Aren’t fetishes supposed to be sexual interest in abnormal things, like feet? What’s so deviant about being attracted to Asian women, who possess all the archetypcal qualities that men want in women? Isn’t the true fetish the Asian male fetish?

    4. It’s hard for Asian American men to get a fair shake in the U.S. when they are not portrayed as romantic leads in Hollywood. That movie “21” about Asian MIT students who win big in Vegas? They whitewashed it to have a mostly white cast. On Grey’s Anatomy, they keep on having Sandra Oh hook up with non-Asian men. The show is set in a Seattle hospital, you’re telling me there are no Asian male doctors in the heavily Asian population of Seattle?

    5. Given that Asian men have the deck stacked against them, I think when they do succeed with women, they truly have master game. Any tall, good-looking white guy can hook up with women and then claim that they have good game — try doing it as a short Asian man! That’d be the true test.

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  72. DF but she’s got alot of anglo features for sure. I know he is tapping a couple more “conventional” looking Asians on the side
    Please explain
    Many Asian women prefer to date white guys and will sometimes throw themselves on them. I have had several Asian girls tell me that they don’t like dating within their own race because they feel like they’re banging their cousin

    . Self-hatred in POC is the worst. How the hell is dating someone of the same race like dating your cousin? I think what they want to say but won’t is … **I like dating White men because they are at the top of the food chain in America. I also think that whites are the best race because of their advanced Western societies. I really would prefer to look more white, since I was a little girl I’ve grown up seeing White beauty portrayed as the standard(in America &/or Asia).**

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  73. It’s hard for Asian American men to get a fair shake in the U.S.

    Uh-oh! this thread is starting to tiptoe into the “It’s the Evil White Male’s Fault” zone.

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  74. My friend and I were invited to a large party at a predominantly Asian club by an American Asian female coworker of mine, we were the only white dudes there. I have never felt so objectified (i. e. valued purely for my physical attributes) in my life by beautiful young asian women wearing very little. I’m a little ashamed to admit it in this forum, but my friend and I left early, and alone. The experience was anything but sexy. But to a Herb, it would have been Christmas.

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  75. one thing that noone seems to be mentioning here is assimilation. i hate speaking in these sorts of generalities, but asians tend to be very good at assimilating; at doing the the hard work and mundane things it takes to be successful in a foreign place. in malcolm gladwell’s new book, he chalks it up to a tradition of rice farming.

    even if a woman isn’t explicitly looking for a mate, her taste in men is going to mimic her taste in an ideal husband more often than not. if an asian women tends to be social climber, it’s going to show up in whom she dates. so, the 5 looking for a high-achieving beta provider and the 8 looking for the alpha male makes perfect sense. they’re both looking to take that next step upwards, but the 5 knows not to get too greedy and lose her shot at the best mate she can get by serving as a practice mat to betas with no potential or aspiring alphas who have yet to come into their game.

    here’s what i’m curious about: many men have an ideal type for a wife, but at the same time want to sample all of the thirty-one flavors before settling down. how many women have a similar desire? i know women who have expressed a desire to try certain things (e.g. threesomes, being with a girl, etc.) before ‘settling down’, but do you woman have any sort of racial/ethnic checklist when it comes to men? i’ve really never heard women articulate anything like this.

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  76. I also think the “I don’t date Asian guys because they remind me of my relatives” excuse to be bull, but I did meet an Asian girl that came up with a pretty unique rationalization for this notion.

    According to her, she grew up in a town where the only other asian people in the neighborhood were all related to her or childhood friends, who were treated almost like family. So during puberty and awakening of her sexuality, there were no eligible Asian men to serve as targets. She said it wasn’t until college that she met a significant amount of new Asian men who weren’t lifelong friends and relatives, but by then her sexual preferences were set.

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  77. It’s hard for Asian American men to get a fair shake in the U.S

    You bet it is. The way “you” are portrayed in the media plays a large role in the way you are viewed by women.

    If the best looking women in Hollywood suddenly started dating Asian men minus any backlash in the media, Asian men would be in hot demand.

    Ting Brothers
    Russell Wong

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  78. Chic Noir at 3:19. We have a winner.

    I haven’t heard anybody bash Rod Stewart for marrying 3 interchangeable blondes. Obviously there’s a look that revs his engine. Me too, different look, that’s all. I won’t say there are no attractive women of other races, but I have a preference for women who happen to be Asian.

    Is that what you mean by a fetish? Because, for example, I consider Sandra Oh to be very plain looking. Actually, most of the women I met in Japan were on the plain side. Of the women I find attractive however, most are Asian.

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  79. Disgusting. It looks like he’s happily waiting to be euthanized. Good, then he’ll stop breathing everyone else’s air.

    If the best looking women in Hollywood suddenly started dating Asian men minus any backlash in the media, Asian men would be in hot demand.

    And if grandma had balls, she’d be grandpa.

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  80. @ PA

    if it is, it’s only because you seem to be nudging it that way. that’s not what i took from Asian Dude’s post.

    in fact, i think most here would agree that what’s being put out by the entertainment industry has almost nothing to do with supporting “evil white men”. almost all movie’s/tv shows/whatever is aimed at women and adolescent boys who still have a certain feminine outlook on the world.

    in TVland, there’s a cute white doctor with dreamy eyes out there waiting for every girl, and the lesser men stay in their place and keep their pesky desires in place by playing the ‘good friend’. every so often some beta man gets to get the girl just to reassure us that nice guys don’t always finish last.

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  81. T said but by then her sexual preferences were set

    T, I’ma kind of call BS on this too. If she said she was open to dating White guys in addition to the Asian guys she met when she went to college I would understand. BTW, I don’t believe that 100% of IR(one race only) are a result of self hatred. Some people have a natural preference for a different flavor.

    Sexual preferences aren’t not set in stone, for most human beings(esp men) they are flexible. There are a number of prisoners who have same sex relationships but return to hetro relationships once they are released.

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  82. So now it’s The Media’s fault too?

    I can play that sorry victim game too: please show me one TV commerical that involves a white and a non-white guy, in which the white dude one-ups, or wins, or pwns the other guy. You won’t find such a commercial.

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  83. A fair number of successful PUAs are Asians (Papa, Hoobie, Mr. M.) and it does seem that a disproportionate number of Asians guys are into game.

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  84. Another extreme in Asian dating seems to be the Asian girls that ONLY date ther Asians, and ONLY within their social circle. Not only will they not date a non-Asian, they won’t even date an Asian who isn’t in their social circle. I’ve known some Asian social circles where, when the girl breaks up with one guy in the social circle, she ends up dating another guy in the same social circle, who may even be a friend of the first guy. And yet when they all hang out it’s not considered awkward for the ex or the new guy.

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  85. I’ve seen quite a number of White women who date Asian men, at least in NYC and at the colleges. Usually these tend to be anime fangirls with a Japanophile streak.

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  86. Chic Noir you have it backward. How you are viewed by society influences how you are portrayed by the media. Do you also think that men like thin, big-titted women because that’s the media show us?

    Asian Dude, you are correct that asian guys have it rough. Asian girls date white guys at a much higher rate than vice versa. Same with Black men and white women. Bottom line, Asian guys and black chicks have it rough, black guys and Asian girls are living large, and white people of both genders break even. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen data on this somewhere, no idea where though.

    Maybe there’s a business idea in there? A black woman/asian man dating service? How about the two posters I’ve responded to here can meet for a drink sometime and let me know how it goes….

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  87. Also, what’s with Indian women? Where do they fall under this? I’m a white guy who commands an extra-ordinary amount of attention from Indians, more so than Asians and Whites.

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  88. Lance–

    That depends very much on the woman, her geographic location, and on her educational/professional status (the third very much influences the second, of course.)

    According to an ABC News “American Sex Survey” in 2004, on average men have 20 lifetime sexual partners and women 6. However, about 20% of men and 4% of women have more than 21 lifetime sexual partners. At this end of the spectrum, there is a high correlation to geographic location. The level of promiscuity portrayed in “Sex and the City” is actually about the norm in Manhattan (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/2008/05/29/2008-05-29_in_sex_and_the_city_number_of_sex_partne-2.html)
    In the “big city,” professional women wait much longer to marry, are generally liberal, and are presented with a never-ending supply of potential men. Amid these circumstances, the desire to “sample the flavors” tends to flourish.

    Overall, about 14% of the US population has participated in a threesome (ABC poll) and 21% admit to fantasizing about having one (this number seems on the low side to me.) The distribution of those who have had one is disproportionately in the big cities on either coast.

    These cities are also where the most ethnic/racial diversity is to be found. Women who wait to marry until their mid-late thirties and are generally liberal in their attitudes toward sex are much more likely to “check the boxes” than their Midwestern sisters who are married with two kids by 24.

    The desire to experience a wide variety of men does not (and should not) indicate a lowering of the bar–just because a man is foreign does not mean that he doesn’t need to meet the same standards that the woman usually applies. On the other hand, when your female corporate exec slums it with a built Ethiopian cab driver, the underlying impulse is not racial diversity. Rather, she’s after the thrill of transgression via the “unclean” and “unknown.” Women who intellectualize sex are likely to wade in either pond at one point or another.

    From general observations, I don’t think that this kind of experimenting has much power to alter the kind of man a woman seeks in a husband. The very act of “exoticising” and objectifying these men places them outside the realm of potential mate, whereas men seem more likely to alter their preferences based on positive or negative experiences with different groups of women.

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  89. Asian Dude has a point about height. I’m a hair under 6 feet tall, and my wife was adamant about wanting to marry a tall guy. Of course when you’re a hair under 5 feet tall yourself, that doesn’t knock out a lot of contenders. She also mentioned intelligent and good looking, but at the time her English wasn’t perfect and her eyesight never was, so I’m not going to get too pumped up about that.

    Seriously, I never thought about height much and was surprised that it was such a big deal.

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  90. Indian women are hot, IMO a mixed Indian girl is hotter than her east-asian equivalent any day. IME very prudish, but my sample size is small.

    I also really like their whole dowry idea.

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  91. Mark D I haven’t heard anybody bash Rod Stewart for marrying 3 interchangeable blondes. Obviously there’s a look that revs his engine. Me too, different look, that’s all.

    Think a very small number of people have a ultra strong preference or look that they go for(^%women ). I have a friend who once dated a guy whose ex’s could have easily been her twins. She looked through a photo book of his and was shocked that all of the girls looked so much alike.

    There was also an episode on cheaters in which the guy was cheating on his long distance girlfriend with a girl who was clone version of his girlfriend. They were the same complexion down to the exact shade of golden brown. I mention this because black people have about 300(some say 35) different shades of blk. If you look at a random group of 10 black people, the likelihood that they will be the same color is minute.

    What really set made my mouth fall open was the two women had on similar outfits of the same color and fit as well as the same hairstyle. Even the spacing of the parts in their hairstyles was similar (no joke). Before the two women went after each other, they paused and had a WTF look on their face as they looked at each other.

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  92. Chic Noir you have it backward. How you are viewed by society influences how you are portrayed by the media. Do you also think that men like thin, big-titted women because that’s the media show us?

    Agreed, a big problem for Asian-American men is that they don’t seem to do a good job of presenting themselves sexually on average. I know one Asian guy that is very metrosexual and stylish, he cleans up with women of all races. Very sharp cat.

    Another thing that I learned recently is that Asian men in Asia have a MUCH different style than Asian men here:
    http://www.kinowear.com/blog/what-asia-taught-me-about-casual-style/

    Sometimes it veers a little too far into androgyny, but it’s stll better than being asexual. I’ve started really getting into Asian male fashion magazines because of how great the fashions are.

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  93. DF:…but she’s got alot of anglo features for sure. I know he is tapping a couple more “conventional” looking Asians on the side…
    Please explain

    The guy’s girl is hot ’cause she looks Eurasian more than a straight up Chinese girl and she’s got a body on her unlike playboy playmate. When I said conventional Asian, I meant short, waif thin, long torso with short legs, no ass, flat face with a flat nose. Get it?

    I do agree that the excuse to date white guys is a lame one and pointing out that it’s actually thinly veiled status seeking is accurate.

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  94. @ Zdeno

    this is the only empirical research i’ve ever heard about on dating and racial preferences:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=610589

    and what they find is in line with common sense and evolutionary psychology. both men and women find people of other races attractive, but women exhibit a higher preference to date within their race. the one exception they found was asian women showing no bias against white men. so, how are black men living large and white men breaking even?

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  95. on December 15, 2008 at 4:25 pm sartorial eloquence

    …but it’s nothing compared to the WTF look on the faces of the 2 old ladies in that picture!!!

    apologies if you guys have already hashed this out already – i didnt have time to read all 88 responses – but you can tell that roissy wasnt too slick about his picture-taking – the two old “harpies” are glaring right at him as if to say “you are SO busted”

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  96. T, Another extreme in Asian dating seems to be the Asian girls that ONLY date ther Asians, and ONLY within their social circle.

    Koreans are like that. Extraordinarily “cliquish.”

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  97. @MarkD- A preference for Tall men seems to be a universal amongst women, 20/20 once devoted a segment on it. There noted a few studies then preceded to randomly ask women from a wide variety of classes, races incomes about their preference.

    Women look for men who can protect them. Being tall(caveman days) as well as having a good income(modern) are signs that you can protect a woman.

    AgnosticAnd if grandma had balls, she’d be grandpa
    Yea, but it shows how easily people are influenced by what they see on TV as well as what other people find desirable.

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  98. Zdeno
    Chic Noir you have it backward. How you are viewed by society influences how you are portrayed by the media. Do you also think that men like thin, big-titted women because that’s the media show us?
    Some men don’t like thin women. Big breast don’t appeal to all men. PA and most brothers don’t seem to make a big deal about breast size. Now if a sister has no butt, she can hang it up. Most of us have grandfathers or great grandfathers, who thought a woman was built like Sophia Loren, Bridgette Bardo or Betty Page(rip).
    Why have thick women with big booties become so sought after in the blk community? When I was a tween , men/boys in the blk community preferred the thin girls. The current trend is for women to be between a size 8-12 sometimes 14. Goggle Ki toy or check out the two main girls in 50cents video wankster for an example of a thick woman.

    T, you can say what you want about her hair cut but Betty Paige had a very good figure.

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  99. agnostic-Yea, but it shows how easily people are influenced by what they see on TV as well as what other people find desireable

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  100. Chic Noir, I am not anywhere close to the Rod Stewart example.

    I would say it’s more a prefer dark hair to light, prefer brown eyes, like a girl with some skin color sort of thing. The stereotypical androgynous Asian look isn’t especially attractive IMO, though I knew one girl who fit that description and was quite good looking. Mrs D is more cute than beautiful in the classic sense.

    DF, you are right about Koreans. I belive last year was the first year where there were more marriages between Japanese and Koreans than Japanese and Americans. That despite the fact that Korea is so close you can get there by ferry. The flight is so short the wheels barely come up before you land (Fukuoka to Pusan.)

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  101. PA

    I know what you’re saying and my intent was not to blame the white man, as an individual or as a monolithic group, or play the victim role.

    However, most media and entertainment powerbrokers are white and it’s only natural for them to employ their friends, who are also white. And this phenomenon is not limited to whites. A basic tenet of psychology is that we like people who are similar to ourselves. Jocks, nerds, whites, blacks, asians, musicians — we stick with people we like. When people of the same ethnicity hang out together, this isn’t racism in the pejorative sense but it is racism in the value-neutral sense that we are acting on the basis of race.

    Now that Barack Obama is President, he is bringing in a coterie of his black friends, including Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, Desiree Rogers, Michael Strautmanis, etc. There’s nothing wrong with this. Shonda Rhimes, an African American woman, is the executive producer of Grey’s Anatomy and so it’s not surprising that she had three strong African American roles on her show (Isiah Washington, Chandra Wilson and James Pickens) despite the lead being a white woman. Is she actively discriminating against Asian men by not hiring an Asian male lead? No. But she’s certainly not actively helping Asian men either.

    Given that Hollywood is focused on the consumer and the market, it is natural that they would cater to a white audience first and then perhaps “acceptable” blacks, and so forth. And none of this is done with some insidious intent to oppress people of color. But without some sort of affirmative action, a dearth of people of color on the screen is exactly the end result. And when the only Asian men you see on TV are gay guys like Lloyd on Entourage or socially inept geeks like Long Duck Dong from Sixteen Candles or kungfu masters like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, then all the girls across the U.S. see Asian men as effeminate, gay, non-sexual, foreigners.

    That’s what I’m calling a stacked deck. It’s no one individual’s fault. But taken together, it’s a collective effect of society.

    Also, I’m not being close-minded to other things going on out there. I know that PC-ism makes it difficult to portray the white man pwning a black man in a commercial (although it happens quite frequently in TV and the movies) and I know that black women (the equivalent of Asian men on the female hierarchy) have their own complaints that manifest itself in Waiting to Exhale type movies. I, as an Asian man, am aware of what’s going on. I just want others to be aware as well.

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  102. @DF- got it

    T, I can hook you up with some shops that sell Asian fashion magazines as well as some ebay dellers. I love Japanese fashion mags myself.

    zdeno said2) Asian immigrants will be more productive and less prone to crime and dependency on social programs because of, ahem, “cultural factors.”
    Cultural factors play a l huge roll but there is crime within the Asian community. They just keep *it on the low*, there a lot of Asian gangs in California. They have a reputation for being vicious

    Zdeno
    Very interesting post, but I think you underestimate how transferable beauty is across cultures. Maybe your buddy was fucking with you
    With a few exceptions like being tall and hourglass figures, beauty is not transferable across cultures.

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  103. NonAbsolut and Asain Male,
    Gotta address both of y’all.

    NA: Now you don’t went and made me mark down “Test skills on Asian Gals” just to see if I can do it. If I can, it’ll disprove A LOT of theories. After the New Year comes in, I’ll get started on that Mission. I love a challenge.

    AM: Yo my man, I feel your pain. But listen, you gotta look at this as a challenge to conquer, not a loss to lament. So what if Hollywood doesn’t show enough hot Asian dudes? I know its kinda easy to say as a Brotha, but seriously, I’ve seen quite a few Asian guys that T described, and they didn’t seem to have much trouble scoring babes.
    And, as has been noted, there is a notable presence of Asian guys in the PUA community; Papa pulled Paris Hilton. So there IS hope, LOL.

    You know, so much of this thing is Mental, man. You gotta get your Mind right if you want to succeed.

    The way I look at it, I’m Mu’Min. Only one Mu. One of a kind. People see that. And to the best of my ability, I work to bring that to the table. People, most of em anyway, got good sense, they see what’s up.

    I’m only 5’8″, but you know what? I’m a whole inch taller than Tom Cruise, Tobey Macguire and a number of notable Hollywood actors. Not only that, but I’ve had Females who were 6′ in stocking feet. In fact, one of my operations in progress involves a Subject who’s 5’10”, heh heh. As Yoda so wisely said, Size matters Not.

    AM, what you gotta do, is get clear-real, crystal clear, on who YOU are, and what YOU want. Draw up a realistic gameplan, and then execute. Its really that simple.

    Take myself, for example. I already know how I’m gonna approach things for these parties I’ve mentioned. And I know I’m already aiming for the top 10% of the Females in the place, come what may. Even if a crash and burn, good!-it gives me a chance to learn where I went wrong and why.

    But I got that tingly feeling that ain’t gonna happen. No sir.

    If you fail to plan in Life, you plan to fail, Asian Male. This idea of something just dropping outta the sky on your head when it comes to Women is ridiculous, and if it were any other area of Life would be thoroughly discredited by now.

    In the end, your height, or being Asian, or whatever else’s got nothing to do with it. What matters is your mindset, how hard you work at your skillset, and execution.

    Holla back

    Salaam
    Mu

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  104. PA saidBy the way, at first she hit on me too. How should I read that?

    Do you have dark curly hair & dark eyes?

    NonAbsolut
    über-Alpha white male whose cock and intellect are of equal quality
    😯
    You are a st8 shooter.

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  105. PA
    It’s hard for Asian American men to get a fair shake in the U.S.

    Uh-oh! this thread is starting to tiptoe into the “It’s the Evil White Male’s Fault” zone
    I don’t think so.
    You must admit that Asian men are portrayed as either martial arts experts or asexual nerds in popular media.

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  106. Jack 3:16,
    Cute Jewish-jappy girls are in their own category. Getting them requires a demonstration of high social status, they must have heard of you through friends if not known you already, and you must have some affiliation that verifies your high status. Game, at least the natural variant, is of little use with these chicks. The easiest way to get with one is to get with her hottest friend before, and then bang your way downwards.

    Every college girl is a little like this, because there’s a pre-existing hierarchy, but Jewish girls and hot sorority babes have it far and away the worst.

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  107. kevin I have never felt so objectified (i. e. valued purely for my physical attributes)
    To be mad with me but… I don’t have any sympathy for you. Now you have a taste of what it’s like to be a woman 24/7 365. I never get a break for that sh*t. If you are the type to catcall or stare at women, maybe your experience led to you developing some empathy for women.

    PAplease show me one TV commerical that involves a white and a non-white guy, in which the white dude one-ups, or wins, or pwns the other guy. You won’t find such a commercial
    Please show me one commercial(both actors speaking) with both white & Asian males. PA, the only commercials I’ve seen that feature a WM who is one-uped are of the type where his white wife one-ups him. Sort of like what you see on sitcoms like Everybody Loves Raymond etc.. Maybe it’s just me, but I see those types of shows &commercial as a type of “safe jokes” that manage to safe within the PC safe zone.
    BTW Healthcliff Huxtable’s wife treated him the same way on the Cosby show.

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  108. Bottom line, Asian guys and black chicks have it rough
    Not this black girl:)

    On the other hand, when your female corporate exec slums it with a built Ethiopian cab driver
    Yes, they are a good looking bunch aren’t they. Sometimes women can be swayed a goodlooking elegant but masculine male beauty.

    T said
    Another extreme in Asian dating seems to be the Asian girls that ONLY date ther Asians, and ONLY within their social circle. Not only will they not date a non-Asian, Sometimes they feel like they must make up for their “sellout” sisters.they won’t even date an Asian who isn’t in their social circle. I’ve known some Asian social circles where, when the girl breaks up with one guy in the social circle, she ends up dating another guy in the same social circle, who may even be a friend of the first guy
    Ha, I wish I would try that. In the blk community a woman who does this will be called a ho(-+sex)

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  109. Basil,
    I couldn’t disagree with you more. I’m living proof that you CAN indeed pull a “JAP”-recall my “L The Jewess” post on the Sexbotopia thread? She came from the Main Line here in Philly, was going for her Master’s etc et al. And we dealt w/each other for more than a year. I’m not much for One Night Stands. I like repeat Busines.;)

    Honestly, I think too many of you guys get punked out too quickly and as a result, give up too easily. Its been said here before and I kinda half believed it, but maybe there IS something to be said for how Black and White/Asian Men respond to the Sexual Revolution? Its a known fact that Brothas, in comparison to Whites/Asians, are far and away more “traditional” in how we handle things. I know it is for me.

    So, maybe this has something to do with it, but I tell you, I just don’t see this massive difficulty here, and I speak from direct experience.

    Am I alone here?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  110. Yo MuMin

    I meant my statements not as an exercise in self-pity — I’m no David Alexander! — but rather as a neutral sociological observation on the WM/AF pairing.

    I’ve pulled in some attractive ladies in my day and I’m proud I’ve done so without being the tall, white dude. Confidence and attitude matter above all else.

    Tall, white men are mowing down women with machine guns and claiming skill while there are those who’ve been picking off squirrels with slingshots. It’d be easy to ask the ladies for some affirmative “action” or social “services” but I earn my shit on the merits!

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  111. I really hope the dude in the picture doesn’t read the post!
    You’ll all be very sorry……………

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  112. Asian dudeI meant my statements not as an exercise in self-pity — I’m no David Alexander
    SMH
    Even the lurkers are aware of DA’s self hatred.

    there are those who’ve been picking off squirrels with slingshots. It’d be easy to ask the ladies for some affirmative “action” or social “services” but I earn my shit on the merits!
    HA
    my man
    *gives AD some dap*

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  113. The asian conjecture is right on, I’m afraid. Thankfully I don’t find asian facial structure to be attractive, so I managed to avoid that trap.

    You’re not making any sense.

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  114. Mu–

    The best way to date a Jewish woman in Philly is to set-up a designer handbag stand in front of Hillel at Penn.

    ;-p

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  115. Rupert Murdoch has an Asian wife who bosses him around, that does say anything about his alpha-ness, no, but it does say something.

    If Asian men in Americans were hyperbolating the curve in science classes, driving better cars, and pulling the best hotties it would be too much and cause a lot of resentment. Perhaps they just have good instincts and their beta-ness is preventing them from becoming visible targets.

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  116. In Asia proper roles are kind of reversed. Young men are defacto betas, but if they grow wealthy and successful they usually have a harem of hot young girls while their dowdy wife works her butt off for the family.

    When Asian women are young and pretty they tend to mess around with many different men. I met plenty of beautiful young Chinese girls who had sugardaddies who’d put them up in their own apartment. These girls fooled around all they wanted. To be a hot young woman is glorious over there.

    Asian guys peak in their 40s as far as women are concerned; most of the young ones are really hard up. I think Asian women might like white men because they know they will have it much easier over the years than with Asian husbands, who will only leave them in the dust.

    In America, young men generally get to fool around a lot more than married guys. But who knows? Maybe this will change.

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  117. The guy in the picture could be Asian, Polynesian, or perhaps some mixture of white and Asian or something similar. He does not look entirely Caucasian to me.

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  118. However, most media and entertainment powerbrokers are white and it’s only natural for them to employ their friends, who are also white.

    Asian Dude, thanks for a thoughtful comment after my rash one. I hear you, but I have a slightly different take on the media. There is somethign of a culture war going on among whites as a whole, and whites don’t automatically see oterh whites as “like them.” The meida is essentially the SWPL-type of whites and they have an enormous amount of antagonism toward “the wrong kind of white people” rednecks, white ethnics, prole whites, etc.

    You must admit that Asian men are portrayed as either martial arts experts or asexual nerds in popular media.

    I wouldn’t mind being portrayed as a martial arts expert. Seriously, East Asians as a whole are somethign of a cultural newcomer and fly under the media’s radar for the most part. I can see that changing, though. One of the women’s chanels is running a show called “Jon & Kate Plus 8” about a half-Koran/half white guy and his white wife, and their eight kids. Jon’s neither a nerd nor a martial ats expert, jutst a normal, laid back American dude.

    Do you have dark curly hair & dark eyes?

    No, but that’s a cool look. I do have dark hair and dark eyes, but dark-brown and straight rather than black. I do have a slight accent and I think some women who like ‘exotic dudes’ are attracted to that.

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  119. benito hoover saidIf Asian men in Americans were hyperbolating the curve in science classes, driving better cars,(I seen Asian drive nice cars) and pulling the best hotties it would be too much and cause a lot of resentment. Perhaps they just have good instincts and their beta-ness is preventing them from becoming visible targets

    I think you are on to something. Imagine if AM, as a group were as outspoken as blks and suddenly the NBA&NFL was 50% Asian male.

    welmer saidTo be a hot young woman is glorious over there
    Ha
    isn’t everywhere

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  120. Topshelf,

    You are so right! DC is a small town. Pupu is regretting…

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  121. Perhaps they just have good instincts and their beta-ness is preventing them from becoming visible targets

    In Asia, they are very extroverted and brash, right?

    Imagine if AM, as a group were as outspoken as blks and suddenly the NBA&NFL was 50% Asian male.

    Cool! so if I start talkin’ & struttin’ I’ll be able to play in the NFL/NBA too? Awesome!

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  122. Chic Noir — terrorist fist jab back atcha!

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  123. *isn’t it everywhere*

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  124. Non-Absolut – I’m certainly not Arab but if you want I’ll strap a bomb to my back and take you back to my place.

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  125. PA, please give me your defintion of “white ethnics”?

    Seriously, East Asians as a whole are somethign of a cultural newcomer and fly under the media’s radar for the most part
    Asians have been in America since the 1800s but you are correct that they fly under the media’s radar. Beyond the outlawing opium(herein) and denigrating Japanese during WWII, I can’t think of any period in American media when Asian Americans are mentioned much.

    A few years ago there was a very good film about Asian American teenagers that had an all Asian-American Cast*.

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  126. Do you have dark curly hair & dark eyes?

    No, but that’s a cool look. I do have dark hair and dark eyes, but dark-brown and straight rather than black. I do have a slight accent and I think some women who like ‘exotic dudes’ are attracted to that.

    Exotic dudes are the type which most women find attractive. they manage to be racially distinctive but a bit ambigious at the same time(om). Sort of like the Chipendale dancers.

    I asked the question because I was thinking you might possibly look like a light-skinned blk/biracial guy.

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  127. Here in flyover country, asian women represent at most 2% of the adult female population.

    At the same time, they comprise approximately 47% of the non-obese adult female population.

    How that be?

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  128. farmlegend –“Here in flyover country, asian women represent at most 2% of the adult female population.

    At the same time, they comprise approximately 47% of the non-obese adult female population.

    How that be?”

    Must mean that 96% of the native population is obese. If this is a true statistic, then I humbly suggest immediately carpet bombing of this section of flyover country.

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  129. this photo is a christmas miracle…look at him, hunkering down for a long winter’s nap, visions of Gap sales dancing in his head.

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  130. I really hate when gys do that!

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  131. > PA, please give me your defintion of “white ethnics”?

    My guess is that this would include visible or self-identifying Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, etc… anyone not SWPL-y, WASP-y or North European.

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  132. @Jam -I was thinking the same thing but at times some people include the Irish as well as Russians.

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  133. […] Don’t Be This When you visualize beta, he’s not always a loveless nerdo who repels girls. Sometimes, he’s the guy in the […] […]

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  134. This is completely off-topic but I was wondering if the following skit works without any knowledge of the language:

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  135. Roissy’s favorite ‘race realist ‘ speaks on the issue: http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm

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  136. Markku said:
    You’re not making any sense.

    It’s really simple. I believe the beta white guy/asian girl thing is true. They find an accepting asian girl and become content with her and live in herbitude. I’ve seen plenty of these couplings. I am not attracted to 99% of asian women because of their face. Ergo, when I was a chump I never dated asian women. My continued frustration led me to learning not to be a beta.

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  137. Asian chicks are hot hot hot. Great skin, nearly hairless and slim bodies and always smell good. And their tiny packages make my johnson look enormous! I’m hooked.

    White girls get past 30 and develop asses the size of a Buick. Plus they don’t age as well as asians.

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  138. Jack–

    A suitable Arab substitute wouldn’t ask if he can take a woman back to his place, he’d just drag her off kicking and screaming to be ravished according to custom. Then he’d pay her family a relatively large sum of money for the privilege of keeping her around for his future entertainment.

    N.

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  139. This Asian girl/white guy situation is not at all complicated.

    Girls like their men big. In every way, physically and $$. Status. Period. Short/small Asian men are discriminated against.

    Guys like women to be smaller, weaker, and, in a real departure from women’s taste, intelligent (see more on this below). Yes girls, we guys like intelligence in our women. There is nothing worse than a stupid but beautiful woman. Many women don’t believe this, but, I think that this is just an example of “projection.” Girls don’t care about intelligence, so they can’t imagine a guy would either.

    Asian girls combine petiteness and high intelligence. Why shouldn’t guys of all races like them? In fact, they do.

    Now, there is another factor. Asian women seem to like their men to be intelligent and educated, very different from many young white women, who seem to put little value on intelligence or education in their men.

    So, there are a lot of good but “beta” white males out there who just don’t impress white females but who seem desirable to Asian women because of their intellect and larger size. Indeed, an Asian women who respects intellect will be much more attractive to such a man than a white women (often of lesser intellect than her Asian counterpart) who doesn’t respect intellect in her man.

    It ain’t rocket science.

    The only downside to Asian women seems to me to be their relative lack of physical robustness. Some Asian girls are so skinny and thin boned and flat chested they almost disappear when seen on edge (from the side). Some men might think twice before deciding upon them for their main reproductive partner, but to each his own. Me, I know this Polish girl who looks like a Norse godness, robust in everyway. Looks unbreakable. Having to choose between her and a petite Asian would say a lot about what you valued. Obviously, for companionship, you would choose the Asian. For children, you would really consider the Polish girl. Life is full of choices.

    Now, about this photo, the object of this blog posting. Cut that couple some slack. If they are happy with each other, why criticize. I suspect they are happier, each of them, than Roissy is or ever will be.

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  140. Joel–

    “Girls don’t care about intelligence, so they can’t imagine a guy would either.”

    What rock have you been living under? Any high status woman cares about her mate’s intelligence, if for no other reason than that it has a direct correlation to his earning potential. Perhaps you’ve been spending too much time around women at the lower end of the spectrum.

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  141. Yes girls, we guys like intelligence in our women.

    Because Girls Gone Wild is just chock full of brainiacs. The reality is that it’s low on the totem pole of traits.

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  142. Animus:

    My continued frustration led me to learning not to be a beta.

    Are you implying that the benefit of “learning not to be a beta” is mainly something else than being able to attract women? What would be wrong with herbitude if it got you hot Asian women (assuming you were attracted to them)? Or do you think there is some kind of signifigant non-linearity in learning game?

    In my opinion, having easy access to Asian women one finds attractive is a good thing because it allows one to forego the long and arduous task of learning game altogether, enabling one to focuse one’s energies on something else.

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  143. Women at the lower end of the spectrum also want men they perceive as intellignet. Not that they’re looking for an egghead but they don’t want one they see as stupid.

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  144. T:

    “I’ve never heard of this concept with white women and black men. Not saying there’s no merit to it, just haven’t encountered it. I’d love for some white women here to give their 2 cents on this topic.”

    You see this in white women who’ve grown up largely white areas. I once knew an Australian au pair who spent her entire time in the US sleeping with black guys. I’ve also known girls from rural states like Iowa come to DC and think every black guy they saw was hot, to the appreciation of said black men who were not that hot.

    Non-Absolut:
    “I am a firm believer in the primacy of the western-educated post-colonial Arab male. The top 1% send their progeny to elite US institutions, and although these men are rich, successful, and culturally “Alpha,” there is a teeny-tiny inner spark of colonial resentment that bursts into an all-engulfing flame that can only be quenched by *attempting* to dominate their former white colonizer.”

    Keep talking…

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  145. I would argue that minimum standards of perceived intelligence vary greatly across the spectrum. It takes exponentially less to impress stupid women with one’s intellectual prowess (perceived or otherwise.)

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  146. You all may be overstating the docility of Asian women. Many come across as sweet submissive but have ice-cold calculating hearts, especially some of the FOBers who marry betas.

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  147. The whole racial sexual experimenting thing:
    I’m attracted to all races of men but have so far only been with whites and Latinos. I’d be amenable to experiencing sex with all race of men but not enough where I’d have sex with someone I don’t like or where I’d seek out a man solely for his race. Some women do, however, and I’ve known white women who went on black and Latino streaks. I’ve also known black girls who racked up more than a few white guys in Europe since their family and friends would never hear about it.

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  148. joel saidNow, there is another factor. Asian women seem to like their men to be intelligent and educated, very different from many young white women, who seem to put little value on intelligence or education in their men.

    Really? You are one of a few men who have mentioned that women don’t like intelligent men.

    I think it’s the social awkwardness that nerds and those on the spectrum suffer from, that is a turnoff for most American women. Women like smart men but many women don’t like nerds.

    Not all intelligent men are nerds. Not all nerds are intelligent people.

    In Chinese culture, education is highly prized. Our educational system (BA>MA>Phd) is modeled after the ancient Chinese system.

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  149. “I would argue that minimum standards of perceived intelligence vary greatly across the spectrum. It takes exponentially less to impress stupid women with one’s intellectual prowess (perceived or otherwise.)”

    Agreed. I once knew a guy who used to show off his smarts by telling me soundbite versions of information I’d already read about in depth.

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  150. I’ve also known black girls who racked up more than a few white guys in Europe since their family and friends would never hear about it.

    Hello
    I’ve also known black girls who racked up more than a few white guys in Europe since their family and friends would never hear about it.
    LOL
    There is something about European men(usu fre,ital or russ) that turn even the most “blk man only” type out.

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  151. “In Chinese culture, education is highly prized. Our educational system (BA>MA>Phd) is modeled after the ancient Chinese system.”

    Really? I thought the modern university with those types of degrees was developed in Germany in the 1800s

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  152. Non-Absolut – you like it rough? We can do rough. Seems like I went to one of your rival schools btw.

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  153. “There is something about European men(usu fre,ital or russ) that turn even the most “blk man only” type out.”

    Who are the “usu”?

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  154. I thought the modern university with those types of degrees was developed in Germany in the 1800s

    Chic couldn’t resist putting “ancient” and “Chinese” in the same sentence.

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  155. usu = usually

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  156. Chic has this thing about never fully typing out ethnicities and never capitalizing them — blk, wht, azn, his, fre, ital, russ, ind, pak, austab, etc.

    It’s hilariously inscrutable.

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  157. “usually” hello sorry

    and yes

    Really? I thought the modern university with those types of degrees was developed in Germany in the 1800s
    “We” meaning the West.

    I forgot some of this but from what I can remember…
    The ancient Chinese educational system was centered around the learning of a Chinesse philosophical book. For those who passed the exam, which was very vigorous, they could become civil servants. Many people found it difficult to pass the BA level exam much less the MA or Phd.

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  158. Jack–

    Before there can be “rough,” there must first be intellectual domination. One must have a perceived imbalance of power against which to rebel forcefully, no?

    N.

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  159. JAM
    Chic has this thing about never fully typing out ethnicities and never capitalizing them — blk, wht, azn, his, fre, ital, russ, ind, pak, austab, etc.
    Hehe
    you know me well.

    It’s hilariously inscrutable.

    Really? I guess I will start writing “them” out more often.

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  160. nah, keep it it’s one of your charms! I do recommend that you publish a glossary

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  161. Chic couldn’t resist putting “ancient” and “Chinese” in the same sentence.

    ?
    Please explain

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  162. hello
    nah, keep it it’s one of your charms! I do recommend that you publish a glossary

    😆
    maybe I should copywrite my abbreviations as well.

    Kinda like Peter’s GNPm, roissy’s huge member & DA’s acrylic nails & stilettos
    .

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  163. how do I stand out, aside from my hello kitty?

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  164. and my Shakira butt?

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  165. It’s worth remembering that about 500 years ago or so, a lot of Japanese men were out fighting duels and killing other Japanese men. Guys like Musashi were by no means an aberration.

    And when in America, Bruce Lee was constantly frustrated with his inability to become “big” and get that hooded, cobra-like look with the large back. Which makes men more intimidating. Lee was the genuine ass-kicking article, with real not staged fights to his credit, against real not fake opponents. Yet even he as an Asian man who really had to fear almost no one, struggled with the perception of being “soft” and weak.

    Once, while he was a Phd student at Berkeley, a group of young White men approached him and knocked over his motorcycle to take exception to Lee’s dating the White woman who would later become his wife. Lee responded by picking up the motorcycle, real casual-like, with one arm. The motorcycle weighed over 400 pounds. The guys eyes got big and they apologized. Yet his slight build failed to get the reaction Lee wanted in either real-life or onscreen.

    Some argue that Lee’s constant body building and weight lifting to get that “hooded” look he was famous for in his later films may have led to his stroke and death.

    But yeah, there is that issue that Asian guys in the West complain about. On the SWPL blog the entry on “Asian Girls” as the “stuff White Guys like” generated a lot of fury by Asian men who complain they are the losers in the sexual marketplace in the West.

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  166. how do I stand out, aside from my hello kitty?
    You are witty, clever, and a bit sarcastic. In some ways you are like a female version of Tupac (-perversion).

    and my Shakira butt?
    the Shakira butt is a good thing.

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  167. whiskey, there is a similar post on the sapl blog.

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  168. “In some ways you are like a female version of Tupac…”

    SCREAMS

    *dead faint*

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  169. To those who dispute my comment about white girls and their lack of interest in intelligence in their boy friends, the evidence is all around you. Just look. Ignore what they say, like Roissy advises. Behavior says it all.

    Many seemingly intellligent white girls hang out with idiots. It’s not their brains they are interested in. Sure, if the guy is big and smart, that might be marginally better than just big, but big and dumb wins out over average/small and smart very frequently. Way too frequently IMHO.

    Now maybe, as they get older, they get wiser, and try to make more intelligent choices, but I am talking < 25 years of age here. But, that is usually when they are looking for a competent male to support them or their kids.

    If you don’t believe the evidence from the human condition, just look at the animal kingdom. If the female chooses the mate, the males are big (read well endowed: compare Chimps with some female choice (big) to mountain gorillas with no female choice (small) ) or have excellent plumage and mating dances, or some other “excess” features to assure the female she is getting the best sperm donor for her precious eggs. Males in species where the female gets to choose without direct male vs male competition are ridiculously over the top in their plumage or behavior, and are almost worthless except for their ability to attract and impregnate females.

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  170. “Many seemingly intellligent white girls hang out with idiots. It’s not their brains they are interested in. Sure, if the guy is big and smart, that might be marginally better than just big, but big and dumb wins out over average/small and smart very frequently. Way too frequently IMHO.

    Now maybe, as they get older, they get wiser, and try to make more intelligent choices, but I am talking < 25 years of age here. But, that is usually when they are looking for a competent male to support them or their kids.”

    The guys on this blog hang out as often as possible with hot, dumb chicks. What’s the difference?

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  171. @joel
    This is probably a bad example(poss oxy moron) in the current times but aren’t Wall St investment bankers, traders, etc.. intelligent men(mostly men)? The fantasy of every Sex& the city type is to land a big shot Wall St type.

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  172. hello
    “In some ways you are like a female version of Tupac…”

    SCREAMS

    *dead faint*

    Tupac’s good points only hello.
    Sara is like the female version of Roissy.

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  173. on December 15, 2008 at 11:01 pm Comment_What_Women_See

    *****
    here’s what i’m curious about: many men have an ideal type for a wife, but at the same time want to sample all of the thirty-one flavors before settling down.
    *****
    Sure, if all you see are the AVAILABLE Alphas, then it’s pretty clear that ‘many men’ want to sample the thirty-one flavors before settling down.

    If you are able to see the AVAILABLE Beta’s and the UNAVAILABLE Alphas as well, then you kinda know womens incitefull opinions on men are kinda not true.

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  174. Reading between the lines, every asian woman I’ve been with has been into it mainly for the cock. Specifically, they’re interested in the size as stimulation.

    The rest, the fact that I’m smart and handsome (but no super alpha unless I really think about it and concentrate on being alpha (which is quite a pain in the ass)) just got me through the hurdles.

    Not really too different from most women, get past the screens and she’ll stick around for one reason only.

    I guess that guy on the train has a slightly below average white guy cock (which would give him a way above average asian guy cock) and meets the rest of her checklist (can buy her Burberry scarves) so the alpha personality just doesn’t come up.

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  175. “Sara is like the female version of Roissy.”

    Uh, what?

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  176. I once knew an Australian au pair who spent her entire time in the US sleeping with black guys.

    Holy crap, I actually had sex with an Australian au pair with a major black fetish. She was actually the first white woman I ever had sex with. It would kill me if it turned out to be the same chick. This was in the late 90s.

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  177. “Sara is like the female version of Roissy.”

    “Uh, what?”

    It’s true. Sara and Roissy are both two peas in a pod.

    Here’s who you REALLY don’t want to be: Some weird obsessive omega blogger like Roissy who photographs people while they’re sleeping.

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  178. So, roissy’s commenters summarized: women want a stupid man with a big dick.

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  179. nonAbsolut – are you Jewish?

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  180. cause that would make your Arab fetish doubly interesting.

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  181. on December 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm Voice of Reason

    Cute Jewish-jappy girls are in their own category.

    Basil, given your description of difficulty of scoring Jewish women, does this explain the despondancy of DA? Given his previous writings, it seems that his self-hatred leads him to desire so-called chosen and high IQ women in the form of Jewish women. Plus, given his wimpy tendencies to overhype women into deities, I suspect that the overbearing nature of such women may make him a candidate for a bossy Jewish woman.

    I’d wonder if the high number of Jewish women in urban areas is inflating the need for game, and possibly infecting non-Jewish white females in their decisions as well. It’s almost as if the women are engaging in short-term relationships with men because the men they’re encoutering aren’t able to reach their full beta provider potential. In other words, instead of hitching to a man who can falter, one can have some fun, and wait for the dust to settle and the beta providers to weed themselves out.

    Even the lurkers are aware of DA’s self hatred.

    DA has the writings of a failed man.

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  182. Asian men should take steroids if they want to compete with long-donged black men.

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  183. Asianettes: women of English beauty and Persian docility.

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  184. What are you on here posting as “NonAbsolut” Roissy?

    Is it because of your beta nerdness that you post under pseudonyms on your own blog?

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  185. dc sucks.

    it combines the (jewish) masturbatory self-congratulation and incestuous provinciality of nyc, the dysfunction and endemic corruption of chicago, and the malignant neoplasm of shitty exurbs that is found in most southern cities.

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  186. “I just think it simply comes down to the fact that when you fetishize a trait, your standards go down whenever you encounter that trait.”

    Great insight.

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  187. Guys are saying that it’s hard to land Jewish girls? Wow, the world really has changed. Back in the day, one cliche was “Catholic girls are the best, Jewish girls are the easiest.” Basic observation behind it was: Catholic girls equal high drama of the scratch-your-back-until-it-bleeds-during-sex kind, Jewish girls are earthy, entitled, uninhibited, and like their lovin’.

    Or is it just JAPs that are being discussed?

    I never had any luck with the couple of JAPs I set my sights on — I wasn’t the doctor or financier they were looking for. But other Jewish women (boho, showbiz, publicity, academic) more or less threw themselves at me. I remember one five-year stretch when I dated and slept with nothing but Jewish women.

    Mucho fun, by the way. Jewish women are often smart, funny, earthy, feisty, sensual, great kissers, opinionated (god knows), and they love books and culture, if typically in a banal, Lincoln Centerish kind of way. In any case: *Very* unlike the sandy-haired, sentimental girls I grew up with.

    I think I represented “WASPiness” or “reserve” or “heartland America” to them. They often seemed to see a lot of potential in me, despite what they seemed to feel were my inhibitions, and they wanted to unlock me and set me free to accomplish great things. I just sort of laid back and let them get to work. Whee. Loads of sexy fun, though the neediness and neuroses (and the insecurities beneath the bravado) were always more than I could finally contend with. But in fact thanks at least partly to them I did grow up a bunch and toughen up some, and I did throw off some inhibitions and ditch a lot of naivete. The great things they envisioned for me? I never had any interest in them anyway.

    FWIW, a fair number of the Jewish gals I dated told me they had no interest in Jewish guys because “it’d be like sleeping with my brother.” And part of the reason I found them as sexy and fun as I did was that they were (to me) exotic and different. It heightened and dramatized the basic sex differences somehow, and made the interactions feel a lot more juicy. Blonde heartland girls I know all too well — grew up with them, and I had a big-busted, blonde, pretty and popular older sister. And, as much as I like the sweet vanilla girls, they never set me aflame quite like the curly-haired, dark-eyed Jewish girls did. So maybe a big part of the attraction many have to other kinds has to do simply with the fact that the extra contrast is a powerful sexiness-heightener.

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  188. David Alexander is a smart guy, a terrific writer, and an amazing performance artist. He wants and enjoys attention, and he gets it by writing (very amusingly) about what a loser he is. This is the Woody Allen strategy, and it’s not what a real loser is. A real loser lies around depressed and ineffectual, thinking about offing himself. David Alexander, whenever he wants some attention, comes here and gets a big fix of what he needs and likes. He evidently wants and enjoys this kind of attention more than he wants a sexual relationship. Maybe that’s just him, maybe it’s a phase, maybe he’s making it all up. In any case, he’s playing y’all beautifully — many of you fall for his routine every single time. Hats off to him for being such a polished and original performer.

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  189. Michael, the shift in Jewish women is likely due to changes in Israeli culture. I’m told that it used to be more free in Israel in the past as well, but that now if you don’t have alot of money or severe game and the ability to find the few who are remotely receptive to it, you don’t get laid period.

    There’s even a half joke about the minimum income requirement to have sex with a non prostitute in Israel.

    I think what has happened is that there is less of a secular/liberal attitude lately. Secular people are increasingly viewed as sellouts, and the women as whores. In the past a woman wouldn’t be judged so harshly for having a bit of fun before settling down, but now if you have sex with a guy you don’t at least pretend to be in love with, you get classed as a whore.

    So women here have basically reacted to primitive cultures becoming the majority, and have become aggressively materialistic and closed in general. Some of that has very likely bled over into the diaspora.

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  190. btw, let’s hope the economic downturn worsens economic conditions in urban areas across the united states so much that flabby ‘sperger kings and FOB asians fear attempted robbery/rape too much to take any form of mass transit, let alone fall asleep while doing so.

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  191. Markku:
    Are you implying that the benefit of “learning not to be a beta” is mainly something else than being able to attract women? What would be wrong with herbitude if it got you hot Asian women (assuming you were attracted to them)? Or do you think there is some kind of signifigant non-linearity in learning game?

    Absolutely there’s more benefit than purely attracting women.

    You ask what would be wrong with herbitude if you got hot Asian women? Did you see the Matrix? Herbitude Asian women are the blue pill. You’re still living in the fucking fantasy land.

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  192. Mike B.,
    Again, well said, sir. I agree with your sentiments about the Jewish gals, at least the ones I’ve dealt with. Something about that combo of dark hair and exotic Med-thing happening that I find is very attractive. And again, I’ve never had any problem scoring them. I think far too many White and Asian (and yea, even a few Black-ie, Dave Alex) guys don’t have any Moxie AT ALL.

    L The Jewess was all you said, Mike. Sensual, *loved* to kiss, earthy, smart as heck, etc. Like most Jews she had the whole uptight thing happening, and as a result of her Main Line upbringing etc, she shit tested me, as I wrote about. But after she found out the hard way that such tactics don’t work on Mu, she got with the program.

    She even tried to float the notion of my being a Blue Collar guy not being respectable for her peeps (and of course, my being Black had to ply a role too but we all know how Women, in the main talk, right?), and I told her, look, the only thing that should matter to you, a grownassed Woman, is having someone in your life who cares for you and who delivers the Good Wood on a steady basis.
    And with that I proceeded to offload another shipment of African Mahogany…

    And she get right again.

    I find a lot of Jewish gals do tend to come at you a bit more than the others, and if you know how to handle it it’s no problem.

    Really fellas, Women take care of themselves now. All that talk about providing and the rest of it is a really quaint notion, but it just ain’t the Reality anymore, except for a select few. Go out and have Fun! Game is supposed to fun, not a second job.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  193. Nicole — Interesting, amazing. My world is turned upside down. Any idea why this sea change happened?

    Mu — Sounds like you gave your lady a lot of what she needed! Time for us to collaborate on a book: “The Care and Feeding of the Jewish Girlfriend.”

    I’m with you where gals earning dough goes too. I’ve got no problem with it. Why would I? Plus, having a job burns up a lot of a woman’s energy, and that’s a good thing all around, IMHO. Women have loads of energy, and if they don’t get rid of some of it on the job they’re going to cause hell at home, or in their relationships. I mean, they’re going to make the world pay anyway, being women, but if they’re gainfully employed they’ll have less oomph when they do, and less time to do it in.

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  194. Joel–

    Regarding your comments on white women and their lack of desire for intelligent men:

    You qualify girls who hang out with idiots as “seemingly intelligent,” but the very fact that they’re associating with idiots (for anything other than a one night stand) negates any claims of true intelligence. While I’ve seen couples where there is a slight tilt in favor of the woman’s mental capacity, I’ve never observed any long-term coupling where the margin of IQ of the woman over the man is more than a couple points maximum.

    Your age qualifier likewise fails to account for the fact that highly intelligent women, of whatever age, will need a man who is AT LEAST their equal. I fall into the under 25 category, and in observing my peers I can honestly say that the woman’s class and intelligence are far more likely to influence her choice in men than her age. Sure, there are women who “wise up” with age and will stop going after “big/dumb” in favor of “average/smart,” but choices based on experience do not qualify as innate intelligence.

    The bottom line is that dumb women go after dumb men. The reason you observe this as such a ubiquitous occurrence is because the vast majority of women (and men) are stupid.

    Your biological argument vis-a-vis the animal kingdom needs to be modified so that “strength” equals financial and social status (which, again, correlates with intelligence.) The “plumage” of such men is in their presentation–type of car, location of last vacation, pimped-out-ness of bachelor pad, etc.

    You’re just wrong, man. Nothing dries up my pussy faster than contempt for the man attached to the cock that’s inside it. 😉

    Jack–

    Nope, not Jewish.

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  195. NonAbsolut,
    On your earlier comment about JAPs in Philly needing hanbags and the like in order to “bait” them:

    Absolutely NOT TRUE, at least not for Mu. The weakest Game a Man can have is Wallet Game, because when the loot goes so does she. I never kicked out loot like that on my Jewish honies. Strength of character wins the day everytime…among other things, heh heh.

    After a certain point of being self-supporting is reached, all the other stuff doesn’t matter. One would think that if ever that was true its right now as we find ourselves in the midst of a prolonged Recession, in large part because of folk living grossly beyond their means. Besides, the great thing about Game/Courting in our time, is that it doesn’t rely on any of that to get things rolling, and even Married/LTR guys can do this too, because it ain’t got nothin’ to do with how much money you got in your pocket but what kind of head and heart and balls you have. One reason why here are so many frustrated Women around (Desperate Housewives, anyone?) is because they can’t buy the aforementioned qualities.

    A little while back Roissy posted up letter from a guy who is going to Princeton-PRINCETON, where they charge something like 40K/A YEAR to go there-and the guy is in the exact same boat as Dave Alex. He ain’t getting a lick of Poon. Zero. None.

    That was proof positive, as if I needed anymore, that Money/Status/Privilege ALONE will get you laid as a guy. They no doubt can help. But if you don’t have social skills an outgoing nature, a love for life and just downright balls, all that other stuff will mean nothing. How often have we all heard or seen Women runoff with a broke dude? It was because he had something the monied didn’t.

    Just wanted to toss that on the table.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  196. “Is Love Colorblind?” by Steve Sailer is a must-read for anyone who’s been reading these comments on interracial dating.

    The racial dating disparity is why there is a disproportionate amount of Asian men in the PUA community because they are looking for some form of leg up, especially for Asian men who are attracted to white women.

    Personally, I don’t find their female counterparts (such as the woman pictured above) to be particularly sexually attractive. The ones I do tend to like have whiter features like Tera Patrick and Eva Angelina.

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  197. NonAbsolut is right. The ranting about women not wanting intelligent men is generally from men who have nothing else except intelligence to offer. Lack of intelligence will quickly disqualify a man but intelligence will not qualify a man who has other faults (severe ugliness, nerdiness etc).

    This is true even of very young girls. I had a good friend at school who was tall, strong, good-looking… and the dumbest kid in school who wasn’t “special”. I saw him go through the same thing with girls over and over again: lots of initial interest which then would evaporate word by word as he tried talking.

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  198. Btw… Asians are seriously racist…. against other Asians… LOL
    But I tend to agree with Asian Male’s assessment…. I think that beyond physical differences… that Asian males just don’t seem to have much game… on the bright side… having ANY game against that type of backdrop makes you appear goddamn magical =)

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  199. “The racial dating disparity is why there is a disproportionate amount of Asian men in the PUA community because they are looking for some form of leg up, especially for Asian men who are attracted to white women.”

    As an Asian male, I find it MUCH EASIER to approach on non-Asian females…. there is a primal response to getting dissed by those of your own racial background. Growing up the Asian females would not give me the time of day… so I just ignore them now =) I’m sure they do the same… we have parity =)

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  200. Hey Mu,

    My comment about the handbags wasn’t intended to imply that you needed to “bait” them with material goods…it was just a bit of an inside joke based on a certain stereotype ’round those parts.

    Anyway, the “wallet game,” the game, and the intellect go hand-in-hand. You’re right–unless we’re talking over seven figures, the wallet alone won’t do it. Ditto for the intellect (jaakkeli’s right on with his comment.) Just game by itself will only get women up to a certain threshold of intelligence–the “best of the best” PUAs are generally not only witty but have the gray cells to back it up.

    Princeton dudes are inbred pricks, for the most part. They spend too much time in the middle of nowhere sequestered in “eating clubs” and lose touch with the real world. I’d say that your average Cornell engineer has more game than most of those guys.

    Good luck with your Asian chick New Year’s resolution. 🙂

    N.

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  201. roissy:
    “If you do manage to land a cute girlfriend, for the love of all that is manly, don’t ever do what this guy is doing. Think of this blog post, imprint that photo to memory, and you’ll thank me later for saving your relationship.
    Save his relationship?”

    hehe, short of murdering one of their children with a spork, that chick will NEVER leave him…especially if English is her second language.

    This post is spot on.

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  202. BTW, there should be a “game” pamphlet for nerdy white guys who don’t feel like putting any effort into game and aren’t too picky.

    It’d be – go fat or go Asian. More bang for your buck (points-wise, not weight-wise) with the Asians.

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  203. nonabsolut – :Nothing dries up my pussy faster than contempt for the man attached to the cock that’s inside it.”

    you had a few other gems as well.

    dude – where have you been? chic and hello and sara and lemmonex are the voices of reason and offer a refreshing female perspective on the issues raised [i know guys, but you secretly and truly value their opinions, right?], but i’m impressed. just have to give respect where it’s due…

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  204. ps – i have a HUGE crush on asian guys. you could call it a fetish, i guess, though i’m with the commenter above (can’t remember who and don’t feel like reading through 200 comments) that it sounds strange to call it a fetish when it’s not something deviant and it’s simply a reflection of who you tend to be more attracted to overall. korean and japanese and japanese/hawaiian are my favorites.

    one thing that has only been referenced tangentially in this thread is the fact that it’s very rare for white women to date asian men.

    typically, asian guys say they’d never even imagine i’d be interested because of their past experiences with white women. they typically need me to confirm that i’ve dated at least one asian guy in the past before they’re comfortable/secure in knowing i’m into them.

    i’ll be the first to admit that asian guys tend to be on the smaller end of the physical scale, though the equipment is not always proportional to height and skill/prowess/interest helps a lot. it is a GREAT advantage to asian men that they’re often used to being very decisive and vocal about what they want from women. maybe because i’ve tended to get together with the alphas of them, but i have to say the asian guys put the white alphas to shame in this aspect…

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  205. “Princeton dudes are inbred pricks, for the most part. They spend too much time in the middle of nowhere sequestered in “eating clubs” and lose touch with the real world. I’d say that your average Cornell engineer has more game than most of those guys.”

    Your Penn bias is showing, but your comment is true (at least for Cornell non-engineers, which are certainly better at game than the engineers). What do you do now nonAbsolut?

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  206. Oh, there’s a picture! On this blog I’m always so eager to check the comments and type something that I forget to look at the post.

    I think they look like a really sweet couple.

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  207. PA “Uh-oh! this thread is starting to tiptoe into the “It’s the Evil White Male’s Fault” zone.”
    === Women do the choosing, so the cause of lonely Asian guys is the Asian women passing them up.

    Kevin “My friend and I were invited to a large party at a predominantly Asian club by an American Asian female coworker of mine, we were the only white dudes there. I have never felt so objectified (i. e. valued purely for my physical attributes) in my life by beautiful young asian women wearing very little. I’m a little ashamed to admit it in this forum, but my friend and I left early, and alone. The experience was anything but sexy. But to a Herb, it would have been Christmas.”
    === Idiots! You had Asian girls drooling on you and you…LEFT?? The first time *I* encountered that situation, I acquired a girlfriend. (Peter would have liked her, heh.)

    Chic Noir “If the best looking women in Hollywood suddenly started dating Asian men minus any backlash in the media, Asian men would be in hot demand.”
    Agnostic: “And if grandma had balls, she’d be grandpa.”
    === OK Roissy, Agnostic’s comment above gets my second nomination for Comment of the Month.

    Zdeno “Maybe there’s a business idea in there? A black woman/asian man dating service?”
    === Yep, take advantage of all that pent-up demand.

    AAA “Also, what’s with Indian women? Where do they fall under this? I’m a white guy who commands an extra-ordinary amount of attention from Indians, more so than Asians and Whites.”
    === I dated an Indian chick once, she was into bdsm. Her name was Stands With Flogger.

    DF “Koreans are like that. Extraordinarily ‘cliquish.'”
    === “Koreans are the Irish of Asia” – P.J. O’Roark

    Chic Noir [Kevin “I have never felt so objectified (i. e. valued purely for my physical attributes”] To be mad with me but… I don’t have any sympathy for you. Now you have a taste of what it’s like to be a woman 24/7 365.
    === Being stared at by women so *offends* my feminine side!
    Kidding aside, the only time I ever dislike being ogled is when the oglers are male.

    PA “You all may be overstating the docility of Asian women. Many come across as sweet submissive but have ice-cold calculating hearts, especially some of the FOBers who marry betas.”
    === From what I’ve read of men who’ve dated/married in Asia, Thai women are the worst (calculating, money grubbing, flaky), and I don’t mean just bar girls.
    Regarding docility, anyone who thinks Filipinas are docile needs to check with Shouting Thomas.

    Chic Noir “Chic couldn’t resist putting ‘ancient’ and ‘Chinese’ in the same sentence.”
    “Please explain”
    === http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yW6vObBOVE

    Chic Noir “The fantasy of every Sex & the City type is to land a big shot Wall St type.”
    === Well, at least until lately.

    Michael Blowhard “David Alexander is a smart guy, a terrific writer, and an amazing performance artist.”
    === Michael, you are a saint.
    One thing I gotta respect about DA is that he posted a couple of photos of himself here once. Looked just like I’d pictured him.

    Epiclolz “Growing up the Asian females would not give me the time of day”
    === Shit, that must have really messed with your head.

    ====================
    With all this talk of Asians, just wouldn’t be right for me to post without a Yuko clip.

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  208. Maybe they guy are so tired, then they don’t realize that he lean his head to the woman next to him…

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  209. God help those betas who marry Asian chicks, seriously.
    Let me put it this way, no married man who isn’t an executive manages his own finances here in Japan. He hands over his paycheck to wifey, wifey gives him an allowance. Part of the deal is he can blow that money at hostess bars with his buddies or what have you if he wants. Snag a white boy, and you got someone who’ll hand over the paycheck *and* do some chores/won’t screw around behind your back.

    Being part Asian, having dated Asians, I have to say they can take what you all call “shit-testing” to levels that would make your cringe, reason being, it’s often quite calculated rather than capricious. Makes a world of difference.

    Me, not given to head games or addicted to getting regularly laid, just let things drop when it got to that. My priorities are different than most dudes. Beta of me, I know.
    ::Shrugs::

    Couple of other notes:

    Even the non-thug alpha males here are remarkably p-whipped in certain respects.

    Also a 5-7 white girl with blue eyes or light colored hair can easily pick up a 8-9 Japanese boyfriend/husband, so long as she isn’t fat and is willing to put up with the fact that she’ll never be tops on his priority list.

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  210. Michael — you come from another country. The Past. They really did things differently there.

    The changes in culture have nothing to do with Israeli culture changing because of demographic power of non-Ashkenazi Jews. Or materialism or anything like that.

    It’s the full power of the pill, the condom, rising wealth/power of women, causing the social changes we see. It’s not ever going to change, unless we see huge social shocks and massive poverty globally in wealthy, first world nations.

    You come from the last country to experience relationships between men and women the way they used to be, before women sought mostly (on average) the highest testosterone / social dominance guy around, even if they have to share. As a poster noted up thread, in TV’s female fantasy land, all the beta guys keep their desires to themselves and women get the hot dreamy high-status guy all to themselves. Not sharing with all his other bimbos.

    But your past is as distant socially as Prohibition was to you, wrt modern dating and relations between men and women.

    Re: Height/tallness. Humans are different from chimps and gorillas and other apes. Even the weakest can easily kill the strongest, through weapons. This has gotten only more serious as weapons have increased with accuracy, distance, and deadliness. When women select on height they are not selecting on ability to protect since that is a function of being able to construct patronage networks of lots of guys with weapons.

    Heck “caveman” type of selections were likely more monogamous (we are really talking hunter/gatherers in Africa, then outward migration). Even the best hunter can and will come up empty, sharing, and not ticking off a loser (who is likely to put a spear in you if really angry) is the best reproduction strategy. This accounts for the universal longing for the “primitive” lifestyle — it was far more egalitarian given the raw edge of survival and almost no surplus resources.

    Likely women are selecting on testosterone, wealth (better nutrition = greater height), and the ability to pass those on than anything else. It seems hardwired, but based on fighting ability. Indeed the deadliest knife fighters are generally smaller, and faster. Knives being the most common weapon probably always at hand.

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  211. I think what got Roissy going on this couple is that they seem to violate his world view. Beta looking guy with nice looking girl. So, there is a need to dump on Asian women to account for this man’s good looking friend.

    Maybe Roissy’s rules only apply to a subset of humanity? A large subset, but, just a subset. This would not necessarily invalidate Roissy’s world view.

    We are designed by evolution to pass on our genes. That is the ONLY reason why we exist, according to current theory.

    Many people have mental aberrations which negate their ability to pass on their genes well. For example, a man might get into a frame of mind where he blows out his brains. We have a name for this, depression and suicide. We think of it as an illness. Another man might get into a frame of mind where he will just refuse to have children. This is just as effective as depression and suicide in preventing the man from passing on his genes, but we have no name for this mental disorder. In our culture he would be considered normal. Imagine a culture where suicide is considered normal. I can.

    So, maybe people who violate Roissy’s rules are mentally ill, but we do not recognize that as an illness and have no name for their condition.

    About my backward ideas of women and men and big and small, well, facts speak for themselves. Why do you think that there is a size difference between males and females? I think it’s called natural selection. Men compete with other men for female reproductive receptiveness. Large size in a male is clearly advantageous in this competition. Smart women and dumb women all like big men. Consult Darwin if you need further clarification.

    Not nice, but, this is the place where pretty lies die, after all.

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  212. Re White guys w/ Asian chicks:

    In my experience non-nerds who like Asian chicks are often on the short side. Not midgets necessarily, but under 5’8, which seems to be the cut-off point for shortness among white chicks. I’m 5’1 and not a Nazi about height esp. if the guy has a cute face, fit physique and EXTRA ESP. if he’s supersmart (yes Joel, women do like smart men). A lot of not-too-tall Jewish guys fall into this category and I’ve gone as short as 5’6. I’ve been in groups where the shortish guy instantly focuses on Asians but is more than happy (sometimes surprised and delighted) when I am flirtatious and responsive.

    There certainly are white guys who like Asian girls exclusively and I’m not knocking them. But many white dudes simply learn that they do better with Asian girls and adjust their game accordingly.

    T. and Australian:

    That Aussie was here in the early 90s. Did you come to DC at all then? And who’d come to DC and never take one weekend in NY? If that was your girl I’m sorry to say she was a major skank.

    MB and Jewesses:
    I’ve known many Jewish women like the ones you describe (and many who were very repressed). But my man this is Roissy’s blog. Complaining about women who refuse to put out is the raison d’être.

    jaakkeli
    “NonAbsolut is right. The ranting about women not wanting intelligent men is generally from men who have nothing else except intelligence to offer. Lack of intelligence will quickly disqualify a man but intelligence will not qualify a man who has other faults (severe ugliness, nerdiness etc).”

    Bingo!!

    Dirty blonde:

    “chic and hello and sara and lemmonex are the voices of reason and offer a refreshing female perspective on the issues raised”

    Awww

    *blushing*

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  213. Whiskey says, “The changes in culture have nothing to do with Israeli culture changing because of demographic power of non-Ashkenazi Jews. Or materialism or anything like that.

    It’s the full power of the pill, the condom, rising wealth/power of women, causing the social changes we see. It’s not ever going to change, unless we see huge social shocks and massive poverty globally in wealthy, first world nations.”

    If the culture you speak of is the Jewish diaspora, then I have to disagree. Israeli women and those close to Israeli culture have gone back to the times when a woman wasn’t expected to do anything but breed and remain chaste. I should clarify that this has never been an option for poor to lower middle income women anywhere in the world at any time, but for some reason women across the socioeconomic board suddenly feel *entitled* to this, regardless of how much reality disagrees.

    Women here have become uglier and snobbier. It has hit just in the past 10 years. They’re also getting fatter, and not in the simply not dieting and focusing on health way. There are some sloppy women walking around here with their noses firmly in the air who are living in a weird feminist paradox that I’m very sensitive to because I had the displeasure of having a mom who went through this phase.

    It’s summed up by “what’s yours is mine, and what’s mine is mine”.

    It’s not just about a man being a provider. He’s expected to provide a certain lifestyle, or else he’s somehow failing as a man. These ideas aren’t limited to a few exceptions. This is what Israeli women believe…”don’t tell me anything but pay my bills”.

    To find a sucker who will go along with it though, they know they have to play innocent…and well, it’s easy for a whore to not have sex with guys who aren’t paying. That’s part of the job description.

    What has driven them to it is more pressure to marry Jewish by any means necessary. There’s lots of pressure here, and it is increasing slowly throughout the diaspora.

    Rabbis have actually started comparing intermarriage to capitulating with the nazis. I mean, they always have, but not as loudly as recently.

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  214. Kitty,
    The question I have is, how do Ladies measure Intel in our Time, NOW? It used to be in terms of college degrees, but that as alo because Women were literally economically dependent on Men more back then as well.

    So, I want to ask you and the rest of the Ladies of the Forum: how do you rate/assess a Man’s Intelligence TODAY?

    Comments?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  215. chic and hello and sara and lemmonex are the voices of reason and offer a refreshing female perspective on the issues raised

    True, true. But no letting Chic and Hello off the hook here. Being girls, they loooove to hear themselves speak & moralize, and what’s more moral than a girl who tells you, with school girl certitude, every sweet, cloying PC platitude her cute little head can conjure? Sure, Western universities are designed on the ancient Chinese model. ;-p

    Sara’s starting to grow on me. To be sure, she’s still a damn old wacko troll, but she can be pretty entertaining in her own way. Heh, if there was ever a commenters get-together I’d be curious about that feisty old cougar. Roissy did give her a starring role in his first screenplay. That’s gotta mean something.

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  216. tiny hands make my cock look even bigger…

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  217. Mu, intelligence is important to me, and I think the standard tests suffice. Since intelligent people tend to do things differently than unintelligent people, it’s fairly easy to assess.

    What I find more important is intellectual integrity…meaning he doesn’t run from the truth just because it is inconvenient for him. Someone who is able to handle life as it is, and cope accordingly is more attractive to me than someone who is just good at maths or something.

    The guys who are most attractive to me have both brains and the ability to use them in the field.

    …and speaking of which, the ability to understand when someone may know more about something than he does, and take it in instead of freaking out comes in handy as well.

    “To be born a Jew today is not an accident of birth but the sum total of over 3,300 years of ancestral self-sacrifice, of heroes who at times gave their very lives for their beliefs. Somewhere along our ancestral line, you can be sure that a grandfather or mother had to accept poverty, hardship, derision, exile and humiliation, but stubbornly stuck to their faith. Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, Nazis and Communists all tried to obliterate Jewish practice and faith, but failed. The persecutors are all relics of the past but Judaism is alive and vibrant. The indomitable Jewish spirit survived and clung to its traditions despite all odds.

    And now, the very latest link of that glorious tradition wishes to sever the chain in one fell swoop! Imagine if one were able to resurrect all one’s ancestors. They would differ in language, dress and cuisine but all would share the same Jewish tradition. What would one say to a great-great-grandfather who sat in prison for keeping Shabbat? What would one say to a great-great-grandmother who would walk for miles to buy kosher provisions? How could one possibly introduce them to a non-Jewish fiancé?”

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/108396/jewish/Intermarriage.htm

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  218. To be born a Jew today is not an accident of birth but the sum total of over 3,300 years of ancestral self-sacrifice, of heroes who at times gave their very lives for their beliefs.

    That’s a great paragraph and it certainly isn’t unique to Jews. But I’m not clear on how it relates into your comment on dudes & intelligence.

    This is why I am not a leftist. Nothing is more contemptible than being the very latest link of a people and their tradition who wishes to sever the chain in one fell swoop.

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  219. Whiskey — Visiting this blog, I often feel like I come not just from another era but another planet.

    You write: The changes in culture have [to do with] the full power of the pill, the condom, rising wealth/power of women, causing the social changes we see.

    There I disagree with you. The pill, the condom, women making money … Until the early ’90s, Western Civ handled all these things adequately well, nutty though life often was and has been. Life was allowed to be a combo of liberal in the public sense but conservative/traditional on the private level. So, unless you’re going to argue that the full consequences had yet to play themselves out, you’ve got to come up with another explanation.

    I agree with you that there’s been some huge sea-change in fundamental attitudes since, though. IMHO, it’s parents, schools, technology, and popular culture that have made the diff. No one *had* to demonize masculinity at school, for instance. And no one *had* to start drilling it into girls that they could (and should) do anything they pleased.

    I’m just spinning theories, but what seems to me to have happened is that politicians, business, media people, educators, ideologues and parents started shoving liberal-ness into parts of life where it has no business being.

    So to me some of the big questions are: How to balance liberalness (which has some hard-to-deny consequences, affluence and modern dentistry among them) and common-sense traditionalism (without which people seem to be rootless and to go insane). And how, in the U.S. especially, to fight our usual tendency to over-do things — ie., getting all fanatical and hyper-enthusiastic about this or that, then suddenly reversing direction and heading off, just as convinced, in another direction.

    The U.S. is this strange manic-depressive beast. We seem to feel lost unless we’re all charged-up about something or other. Yet it’s impossible to sustain that all-charged-up feeling … So we lurch around from redemptive enthusiasm to redemptive enthusiasm. Balance is hard for us.

    Anyway, I think y’all had the misfortune of growing up during a very strange time. I’d hesitate to draw eternal conclusions from it myself — the ’90s may prove to be as anomolous as the ’60s were. 20 years from now, basic-gestalt things will have changed in some new and unexpected ways. But then I’m an old guy, and “perspective” is about all we old-timers have to offer.

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  220. @ nicole & PA

    that quote illustrates a point that i’ve made before. i can’t think of a more beta idea than being afraid of your dead great-grandparents. respect for your elders is one thing, but you’re living your own life. you’re not living theirs. i also think this prohibition against intermarriage is distinctly feminine. it’s man’s natural desire to venture and to aquire a myriad of experiences. it’s woman’s natural tendency to try to keep a man close to home. now, these are obviously tradition al gender roles and you can think of any number of exceptions, especially now.

    what’s more, that quote is bullshit. culture exists to preserve productive behavior and to make the individuals who practice it better off than they would otherwise be. culture has no intrinsic worth in-itself. to cling to a specific way of doing things long after that behavior have any real value is ridiculous. if you want to hold on to certain elements of religion, culture, whatever because of a sentimental attachment, fine; but to do so even when it severely limits the choices available to you is just plain stupid. it makes you a tool in someone else’s master plan.

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  221. — your dead great-grandparents.

    That’s one part of it. The other part is one’s yet-unborn great-grandchilden. And you are the ball carrier.

    — i also think this prohibition against intermarriage is distinctly feminine.

    Only if you find the Middle Eastern Muslims’ practice of guarding their women feminine. From the traditionalist perspective it’s OK for men to out-marry (or better-yet, to take in women from other cultures) but it’s a loss when a woman outmarries.

    — you’re living your own life. you’re not living theirs.

    Now that’s a feminine attitude. Girls just wanna have fun.

    — culture has no intrinsic worth in-itself.

    To bring up an opposing viewpoint, TS Eliot defines culture as “that which makes life worth living.”

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  222. That’s one part of it. The other part is one’s yet-unborn great-grandchilden. And you are the ball carrier.

    I don’t think Lance or me disagree with the ball-carrier part, but rather the part of culture having an intrinsic value just because it comes from tradition. The parts of great-grandparents’ culture that still hold value today, by all means we should keep. But keeping counterproductive traditions just for the sake of keeping them out of some strange fealty to a group of ancestors who died long before you were ever born just makes no sense to me.

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  223. By all means, T.

    I read Lance, maybe incorrectly, as rejecting all links to one’s past and thus by implication, one’s future.

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  224. That Aussie was here in the early 90s. Did you come to DC at all then? And who’d come to DC and never take one weekend in NY? If that was your girl I’m sorry to say she was a major skank.

    This was in the mid-90s and this girl was an au pair in NY, not DC. It was a one-night stand and we didn’t even exchange names I think, so you’re not exactly shattering any illusions for me by revealing she was a skank. (You say “skank” like it’s a bad thing 🙂 )

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  225. PA, it’s not directly related, but relevant in light of recent hissy fits. Most of them happened because someone didn’t bother to find out whether or not something was true or at least a reasonable conclusion before flipping out because the information was inconvenient.

    Since I posted more inconvenient info in this thread, I felt I should back it up with a statement from a popular website.

    I respect your and anyone else’s desire to keep things close to home, but I do wish that those who felt this way would keep everything close to home. If you think someone isn’t worthy of more than a shag, no matter how great she is, just because of her ethnicity, then just say no.

    Separatism is nobody else’s business, but feeling that one is entitled to exploit others rather than merely avoid them, is a problem.

    Lance, as beta as it may be to limit one’s options because of a seemingly obsolete tradition, there is more at stake than a surface idea of culture. To have a stable home life, it is a good idea to choose mates who have similar values and upbringing. Very strong cultures tend to churn out fairly uniform stock, and it makes it easier to relate in ways that would be more difficult or impossible with others.

    That is a very personal, and not necessarily beta reason for preferring to stay within one’s own culture. One may simply not want the headaches involved with trying to bridge the potential misunderstandings or differences in values.

    Though I am quite merciless about the problems between ethnicities here in Israel, I understand very well why they exist. It would be foolish for someone to remain blind to the political realities simply for the sake of not wanting to appear to be racist.

    The same principle applies anywhere else, and with any other marked difference between people. Some things can be gotten over, but some things can’t. If someone can’t deal with cultural differences, it’s better that they not go there, rather than going there and breaking someone’s heart or getting theirs broken. I don’t think romantic relationships are a good laboratory for multicultural experiments.

    People (like me) who can deal with differences still have to accept the fact that they are there. There are even major differences between someone brought up in Maine and someone else brought up in California, and that’s in the same country.

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  226. That’s one part of it. The other part is one’s yet-unborn great-grandchildren. And you are the ball carrier.

    that’s my point. your ancestors did what they had to do in order to survive, but part of survival is the ability to adapt. keeping alive tradition, just because it’s tradition, is a sure way to make yourself, and your genes, extinct.

    Only if you find the Middle Eastern Muslims’ practice of guarding their women feminine.

    i won’t say feminine, but i will say somewhat beta. in fact, i find many of the islam’s attitudes toward women and sex to be pretty beta, and based on a serious fear of female sexuality and a good measure of self-hatred. the same goes for christianity.

    you’re living your own life. you’re not living theirs.

    if you think that being your own person is a feminine attitude, then more power to you.

    TS Eliot defines culture as “that which makes life worth living.”

    i think we’re using the term culture in different ways

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  227. @ Nicole

    is there a better definition of beta than sticking with the status quo, because it’s often the easiest and least challenging path. there’s nothing wrong with it, but some people choose to break out on their own and take a chance. when you break with tradition, you’re often taking a risk.

    the best example i can think of is what’s happening with the american auto industry. at one point the big three owned the roads, and having a union job at a car plant was a great deal. well, those days are over. the market is more competitive, and in the absence of a government bailout those companies, and the somewhat cushy union gigs, would go the way of the t-rex.

    the only constant in this world is change. you can tell yourself otherwise, but you’re fooling yourself.

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  228. *Mu Cosigns T-Raw wrt Lance’s excellent points*

    As a Muslim, an African American one living in the early 21st century, I don’t see much good in continuing certain practices/traditions because some don’t seem relevant to the world in which I must live.

    Nicole:
    On your reply to my Male IQ Selection question-Noted. Thanks. My followup question to you and anyone else who wishes to answer is, given the fact that I’ve neither taken the SAT or an IQ test that I’m aware of, how does a Lady assess my Intel? For the most part I’m self-taught and went to SOHK. Would any of that be valuable in the SMV?

    Comments?

    Salaam
    Mu

    PS: Anyone care to take a guesstimate as to what they my IQ would be?

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  229. Mail. Order. Bride. Betcha.

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  230. On the third hand, traditions and customary practices often embody tons in the way of values, worth, wisdom and knowledge than you can or will ever know about. It’s easy to say “toss the ones that don’t make sense any longer” — but how do you make sure that the ones you’re tossing really are obsolete?

    Picture a house. You’re thinking, “Hey, this is an old-fashioned, cluttered house. I want light and freshness. There’s ‘way too much in the way of curlicues and redundancy around here. So I can toss some of those boards and open up some big windows and doors.” And some of them you can toss. Toss some of the others, though, and the house collapses.

    In other words, extreme caution is advised. The process of picking which traditions to chuck isn’t being made by Wise Old People, it’s being argued-out politically between many groups of self-interested ones. And it’s wise to remember that if you make a mistake where cultural 2x4s are concerned, there might well be no going back. Yes, we gotta adapt; yes, change is a constant. But many people make too much of this and wind up living very bleak lives, as well as imposing their bleakness on others.

    Hayek, Oakeshott and Michael Polanyi are all very good on the way traditions and customary practices can embody more in the way of knowledge and wisdom than we shall ever consciously know.

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  231. Has anyone here read Edward T. Hall’s writings on low-context and high-context cultures?

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  232. i won’t say feminine, but i will say somewhat beta. in fact, i find many of the islam’s attitudes toward women and sex to be pretty beta, and based on a serious fear of female sexuality and a good measure of self-hatred. the same goes for christianity.

    Islamic rules concerning sex and women are not unique to Islamic tradition. They are normal in patriarchal societies where networks of trust are familial. In the Middle East a strikingly large proportion of marriages are co-sanguine, the purpose of which is to maintain family property and power. Given that, since women are the gatekeepers of sex, it’s logical to suppress female choice particularly strongly. Free love, which is what Westerners take for granted, is extremely disruptive to the fabric of society in those areas.

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  233. Lance, you make a good point about sticking to the status quo being beta, but what if someone is basically using conformity or the appearance of it as a stepping stone to higher things?

    Marrying and breeding within one’s social circle may be what a guy has to do to get ahead because otherwise nobody would find him credible. One has to ask themselves whether or not a partner is worth sacrificing one’s career or losing face or being ostracized by one’s people, or even physically attacked. Even an Alpha who likes women his culture considers illegitimate or disposable or completely off limits, may put his whims aside in order to gain an advantage over others, or just not face down a stabby brother or dad.

    I respect people who are willing to pay the consequences, but there are consequences, and in some cultures, they can be quite severe.

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  234. Lance, you make a good point about sticking to the status quo being beta, but what if someone is basically using conformity or the appearance of it as a stepping stone to higher things?

    Yes, but this is different than sticking to the status quo just for the sake of sticking to the status quo. This is sticking to the status quo for the purposes of moving forward to the next step. I don’t want to speak for Lance in case I’m misinterpreting him, but I don’t think Lance is making a blanket assessment that sticking to the status quo is inherently bad or bucking the status quo is inherently good. It’s a case-by-case thing, sometimes it’s good and sometimes it’s not. But the belief that something is inherently good just because it’s the status quo and is easier to conform to is as narrow-minded and counterproductive a belief as the leftist idea that any change is good so long as it bucks tradition, cultural norms and the status quo.

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  235. A couple of months ago, a friend took Pupu to a tea ceremony class. Except for the teacher who performed the ceremony, none of the participants was Japanese. Pupu was unfortunate enough to be the first in the circle to be served and make such a comprehensive set of mistakes that after the teacher paused to discuss them, everyone did perfectly thereafter. First, out of nervousness, Pupu choked up a little on a wafer-thin sugar cookie, and had to drink the first sip of tea in a poorly-disguised rush forgetting to turn the teacup with its prettier side facing out (the prettier side should always face out – so much cup turning was done because of that. Why don’t the Japanese paint their tea cups with more pictures so everyone can enjoy a good view?) Then, to repress a real hiccup, Pupu did not slurp loud enough with her last sip to show enough appreciation of the master’s service. The post-drinking dialogue was pre-scripted and composed of what sounded like one word. Pupu uttered it in a post hiccup blurb. By then, Pupu was so eager to give away the cup that she forgot the cup turning again.

    Reading Michael Polanyi and Edward T. Hall had not saved Pupu from the disgrace. The cost is high for an outsider to enter a high-context culture, and for an insider to leave it. Pupu has paid the costs in both ways.

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  236. but this is different than sticking to the status quo just for the sake of sticking to the status quo.

    Unless I missed somehing, you guys are arguing against a strawman. At what point was sticking to the status quo for its own sake promoted by anyone?

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  237. Reading Pupu’s gossamer writing style is a great cultural experience.

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  238. Can anyone recommend a good starting point for reading Polanyi?

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  239. T,

    Pupu has only read his Personal Knowledge and liked it.

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  240. on December 16, 2008 at 2:21 pm Christopher Tracy

    Psh lets talk about black guys who like Asian girls.

    Seeing as though I’m kind of small for a black guy and somewhat nerdy, I tend to go for Asian girls. I like their exotic looks and light yellow complexion. I haven’t had much luck with them though, and really, I haven’t had much luck with women in general.

    A Japanese exchange co-ed stayed at my house last year over Christmas break, and I didn’t have the balls to initiate anything.

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  241. So do Pupu, Ricky Raw, Nicole, and the other constant posters on here have jobs? How do you manage 10-20 comments a day each?? I can barely make it here once a day.

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  242. PA, I think that was brought up as a possibly beta reason for conforming to a particular tradition…taking the path of least resistance, fitting in, and not making waves.

    T, I agree with you, but remember that Alpha is not Uber, though from time to time there is some overlapping. An Alpha male is simply at the top of the social hierarchy. It says nothing about his strength of character. He may make it to the top of his food chain by being a rebel or by being a conformist, just better able to profit from it than others due to a higher level of assertiveness and charisma.

    I tend to look more at the results than the method before forming an opinion about someone’s social hierarchy. If conforming on some levels, gets a person to the top, then I wouldn’t class it as beta behavior. I’d say they could be an Alpha who just knows how to pick their battles. They may be very broad minded but just understand that things are done a certain way in his culture, they’re not going to change, and that if he wants to stay a part of it, or especially become a big man in it, he’d best tow the line…or at least appear to.

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  243. jaakkeli
    So, roissy’s commenters summarized: women want a stupid man with a big diC*k.
    Not I
    Give me a flexible tongue any day of the week.

    Hung Lo
    Asian men should take steroids if they want to compete with long-donged black men.
    First read the above. ^^^
    Check out a Mandingo or Lexington Steele video and tell me if any of his costars look as if they are enjoying his ministrations. Compare Mandingo’s videos to those of Cuba(hard to find) & Mr. Marcus. Cuba & Marcus are smaller than Mandingo&Lexington Steele but their costars seem to enjoy their “time” with Cuba&Marcus.

    It’s well know within the industry that female actresses liked to work with Cuba. I think most of the men here would label Cuba a beta but the women love him.

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  244. Steroids make your testicles shrink. I don’t think that’s what you want, although by comparison I guess it will look bigger…

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  245. Hello I love you won’t you tell me your name:

    “In some ways you are like a female version of Tupac…”

    SCREAMS

    *dead faint*

    Don’t say you want me
    Don’t say you need me
    Don’t say you love me
    It’s understood
    Don’t say you’re happy
    Out there without me
    I know you can’t be
    Cause it’s no good

    –DM

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  246. Dirty Blond,

    We must see more of you on here…

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  247. Now that the all too precious Mu’Min has read Mystery,is he going to constantly blubber about it like he’s some kind of expert? I find the black males on this blog to be a bit insufferabe! (Tho G manifestos commnet that he would have mugged the Beta,at 12,is a bit funny…of course in reality,the idea of a 12 year old black”yoof” committing a crime is certainly a stereotype…wink wink!) As for Asian women,its intersting that they have the rep of not being interested in any black males. Is this simply a culture thing,or hard-wired? Mass media constantly pounds away at us on the womderfulness pof the black male:Heroes,brilliant doctors,the computer expert…I wonder why????

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  248. “is there a better definition of beta than sticking with the status quo, because it’s often the easiest and least challenging path.”

    Actually, status conscious “alphas” are the ones who stick with the status quo. Those who care most about their status are the ones who don’t take risks because they don’t want to risk their relative status.

    The smart calculated risk-takers are those who do a better job directly perceiving and modeling the world without the blinders imposed by status concerns.

    The guy who falls asleep on the chick’s shoulder without concern for what Roissy thinks is a lot more likely to buck the status quo.

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  249. Steve Lurkel,

    The video that inspired that t-shirt actually does a decent job in explaining Asian women fondness of betas. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/06/30/lah.white.cafe.cnn

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  250. Spike Me, not given to head games or addicted to getting regularly laid, just let things drop when it got to that. My priorities are different than most dudes. Beta of me, I know.
    ::Shrugs::

    No, not beta at all. A man who doesn’t have the constant need to sleep with random women is very powerful indeed. If anything, most other men are weak. Women generally look at the constant need of men to copulate as one of the greatest weaknesses of men along with the male lust for violence and fits of rage.

    A friend of a friend had/have(?) was very similar to you in attitude(?) growing up. He would sometimes go to the bodega or neighborhood store with his mother’s foodstamps or “welfare debit card”. He had an incident with a group of teenage girls who ostracized him for using foodstamps. He simply turned around giving the main jokester alpha face and said in a calm voice to all of the girls, ” Why should I care about what you think??? It ain’t like you giving me any pussy anyway”. He then went about putting his stuff on the counter so he(TP) could pay for it. The girls were speechless until one piped up and agreed with him. *Supposedly, the Asian store owner who could not speak English well, gave the dude dap, a head nod, and a man to man look that said, you told those
    bitches.

    is willing to put up with the fact that she’ll never be tops on his priority list
    Sallaryman(?)
    Please explain

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  251. Sam FrancisI find the black males on this blog to be a bit insufferabe!
    *thinks to self*
    I am so afraid to t ask what he thinks of the Black women who post here.

    Beyond DA being the black Woody Allen, what’s so insufferable about the blk males who post here?

    The black males here are a variety of the different “black male types” found in black America. It’s interesting to note that for the most part, their personalities don’t overlap.

    Racer X
    Dirty Blond,

    We must see more of you on here…
    agreed

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  252. SamfrancaisAs for Asian women,its intersting that they have the rep of not being interested in any black males. Is this simply a culture thing
    I would argue that it’s culture more than hardwiring. You may not like blacks but I dare say there is a black woman out there who will make you think otherwise.

    I know a few black men who aren’t in to White women but to wake up beside Coco or Kim K, would give them morning wood harder than a diamond.

    I’ve been *hearing *stories about Japanese women who take bus rides over to the American military base in Japan just to take a ride on the chocolate thunder rollercoaster since I was a child.

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  253. SamFrancis –

    I’m not even sure G Manifesto is even black.

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  254. Dirty Blonde said where have you been? chic and hello and sara and lemmonex are the voices of reason and offer a refreshing female perspective on the issues raised
    Thank you Dirty Blonde.
    P.S. – i have a HUGE crush on asian guys
    I figured we have something in common.
    and skill/prowess/interest helps a lot
    I’ve been trying to tell these fools that^^^. If I’m not mistaken, Eurosaba mentioned that he has shocked a few women with his ability to make “their eyes roll way back”.
    Mu saidthe only thing that should matter to you, a grownassed Woman, is having someone in your life who cares for you and who delivers the Good Wood on a steady basis

    *DEAD DEAD DEAD*
    This is the kind of stuff that makes me laugh to myself as I’m walking down the street with one side of my ipod earphones hanging in my ear, hoping to fool people into that I’m laughing with a good friend on my cell instead of needing care at Belleview.

    epiclolzGrowing up the Asian females would not give me the time of day… so I just ignore them now
    Dennis Rodman is that you.

    James O said One thing I gotta respect about DA is that he posted a couple of photos of himself here once. Looked just like I’d pictured him
    HEHE me too. He looks like a blk Woody Allen.

    Regarding docility, anyone who thinks Filipinas are docile needs to check with Shouting Thomas.
    If I’m not mistaken, the Philippines were once a colony of Spain. I’m sure a good bit of acculturation took place between the two groups of people. It could be the reason some of us have posted here about the manliness of Pilipino men. Make of that what you like.

    James O, thanks for the video. I had no idea. That’s the first time I’ve seen a commercial with a speaking Asian couple abet with caricatures of Asian people to my youthful eye.

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  255. Christopher Tracy
    Psh lets talk about black guys who like Asian girls

    1.Yes, you see this in rap music videos. A few of the more well know video vixans are biracial Asian&Black mix.

    2. A black blogger in Korea or Japan made mention ofthe black men there who date Asian women tend to date those who are heavier than average.

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  256. TI’m not even sure G Manifesto is even black

    @T-took the words out of my mouth.

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  257. Nicole,

    You would think that the Romans and Greeks up and went extinct while the Jews lived on eternally, from how you write. Not so. The Romans and Greeks are still with us. Jews, not so much. It is not good being a minority. Think of the suffering of young Jews for the conceits of their elders.

    It was noted during the Roman Era (about 100 A.D.) by contemporary observers that “of all the people of the Empire, only the Jews hold themselves back from the common intercourse of mankind.”

    The Roman writers concluded that the Jewish traditions, different holidays and diet and religion, were simply devices to isolate Jews from the general society.

    So much for your traditions. This reminds me of a quote I like to use from Churchill. He was trying to get the Royal Navy to do something during WW II, likely pretty nasty. The admirals resisted, saying such actions would be inconsistent with the traditions of the Royal Navy. Churchill’s response:

    “Don’t speak to me of your traditions. They are nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.”

    Anyhow, how did we get started on this?

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  258. Actually, status conscious “alphas” are the ones who stick with the status quo. Those who care most about their status are the ones who don’t take risks because they don’t want to risk their relative status.

    what you call alpha, i would consider high-achieving beta. alphas are the ones who define the status; the ones who set the bar with their achievments

    The smart calculated risk-takers are those who do a better job directly perceiving and modeling the world without the blinders imposed by status concerns.

    take the example of game. what is it? it’s the task of observing natural players, figuring out what it is they do, and emulating. through that process a beta moves up to high-achieving beta, and a few manage to breakthrough to the point where they are no longer really running game, but are rather just being a newer and better version of themsleves. they become alphas. as roissy says, they ‘fake it ’til the make it’.

    The guy who falls asleep on the chick’s shoulder without concern for what Roissy thinks is a lot more likely to buck the status quo.

    sure… and the meek shall inherit the earth as well.

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  259. Chic:

    Yeah, unfortunately I got the rage and violence problem in spades. Tweren’t until recently I’ve learned to control the violence thing, I still have the rage thing.

    Stupid thing is, the triggers. A lot of shit rolls off me better than most men would take, but I cannot fucking acquiesce to someone calling me a liar when I’m being dead serious. Nothing gets me closer to gutstomp mode than that. Thankfully, its quite rare that I’m ever dead serious nowadays.

    Also technical issues. I’ve destroyed three computers by punching them until they broke for good. You’d think tearing up my knuckles destroying the first one would be lesson enough, but no, once the whole “Holy shit, I lost three hours worth of work” comes in, boom. Off I go.

    I really wonder how a lot of the guys here got through the whole bar scene thing without ever having to take or throw a punch in the parking lot afterwards. I mean I know folks a lot more thin-skinned than me and way more prone to violence. Maybe it’s just an American whitey thang to seethe and snark and be passive aggressive, though rather than to get all physically cathartic. I mean someone like PA doesn’t seem to label physically laying down the law as a bad thing, though most here think it rather beta to resort to violence.

    Oh, and here’s a list of priorities for the average white collar Japanese male.

    1. Work performance
    2. Peer approval
    3. Beer and cigarettes
    4. Recreation
    5. Love of Wife and kids

    For blue collar workers, wife and kids are just underneath work performance, and integrated with beer and recreation, after all it’s easier to take the kids to a baseball or soccer game while having a beer than to take the kids while you purposely lose to your boss at golf.

    Really, being a salariman sucks. Considering they don’t get much more money than the average blue collar worker and work waaaaaay more hours and as a result get alienated from their wife and kids, it’s not really a life worth living. Thank god I’m only here on a temporary contract. Japanese corporate life makes American corporate life seem like Disneyland.

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  260. Chic:

    Yeah, unfortunately I got the rage and violence problem in spades. Tweren’t until recently I’ve learned to control the violence thing, I still have the rage thing.

    Stupid thing is, the triggers. A lot of shit rolls off me better than most men would take, but I cannot fucking acquiesce to someone calling me a liar when I’m being dead serious. Nothing gets me closer to gutstomp mode than that. Thankfully, its quite rare that I’m ever dead serious nowadays.

    Also technical issues. I’ve destroyed three computers by punching them until they broke for good. You’d think tearing up my knuckles destroying the first one would be lesson enough, but no, once the whole “Holy shit, I lost three hours worth of work” comes in, boom. Off I go.

    I really wonder how a lot of the guys here got through the whole bar scene thing without ever having to take or throw a punch in the parking lot afterwards. I mean I know folks a lot more thin-skinned than me and way more prone to violence. Maybe it’s just an American whitey thang to seethe and snark and be passive aggressive, though rather than to get all physically cathartic. I mean someone like PA doesn’t seem to label physically laying down the law as a bad thing, though most here think it rather beta to resort to violence.

    Oh, and here’s a list of priorities for the average white collar Japanese male.

    1. Work performance
    2. Peer approval
    3. Beer and cigarettes
    4. Recreation
    5. Love of Wife and kids

    For blue collar workers, wife and kids are just underneath work performance, and integrated with beer and recreation, after all it’s easier to take the kids to a baseball or soccer game while having a beer than to take the kids while you purposely lose to your boss at golf.

    Really, being a salariman sucks. Considering they don’t get much more money than the average blue collar worker and work waaaaaay more hours and as a result get alienated from their wife and kids, it’s not really a life worth living. Thank god I’m only here on a temporary contract. Japanese corporate life makes American corporate life seem like Disneyland.

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  261. I’m not even sure G Manifesto is even black.

    His incessant overuse of Afro-American slang that was last hip in sometime in 1983 practically screams “nerd sneaking posts on daddy’s computer.”

    To say nothing of his claim that he made $50-100k a year in high school as a corner dealer hawking Eve (of all things). Jesus Christ.

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  262. Enough with this “DA as a black Woody Allen” nonsense. At least Allen was able to bag Diane Keaton and Mia Farrow.

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  263. Beyond DA being the black Woody Allen

    That’s rather interesting as a compliment since one poster on Half Sigma compared me to a whiny Jewish suburban kid, and my former Queen suggested that I start an one-man off-Broadway show about my life…

    the only thing that should matter to you, a grownassed Woman, is having someone in your life who cares for you and who delivers the Good Wood on a steady basis

    You’d be surprised. People will talk about you behind your back about your choice for a partner, and if one doesn’t want that in his or her life, it may be best to pick conventionally safe partners who are compatible with one’s millieu. I’ll admit that I’d reject women if they’d end up as the source of fodder for the gossip of my friends and family.

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  264. “alphas are the ones who define the status”

    No, they are defined by the status, which they then pursue. They are helpless when it comes to redefining the game, because they can’t see through it.

    “take the example of game. what is it? it’s the task of observing natural players, figuring out what it is they do”

    But the natural players are not those who buck the status quo. Natural players are naturally attuned to how the people around them feel, and hence find it more difficult to have thoughts that run against their crowd, especially the high status individuals within that crowd. It is extremely difficult for a natural player to be a nonconformist.

    “sure… and the meek shall inherit the earth as well.”

    They do. More cognitively gifted people (especially those with a reasonable understanding of the scientific method and the ability to apply it) are more capable of admitting error in response to objective evidence, and therefore complement each other in organizations that encourage this “meek” behavior. Consequently, they earn more. In addition, they do a better job choosing their partners and maintaining fulfilling relationships.

    Check the relationship between divorce and education.

    http://www.divorce360.com/content/divorcecalculator.aspx

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  265. spikeReally, being a salariman sucks. Considering they don’t get much more money than the average blue collar worker and work waaaaaay more hours and as a result get alienated from their wife and kids, it’s not really a life worth living. Thank god I’m only here on a temporary contract. Japanese corporate life makes American corporate life seem like Disneyland
    So I guess being a salariman is more for peer approval since they don’t make more than blue collar workers?
    There is an African-American female blogger who lives in Tokyo, who complained about the 12-16 hr day six day work week she has. She said she was often exhausted and drained. She recently married so she went looking for another job so she could cut down on her hours. A second African-American Japan blogger also complained about the long hours she and her Japanese husband worked. She blogged that the two would spend Sunday together because that’s the only day they have free.
    I can imagine that divorce or at least separation occurs more often among the salrimen than the blue collar workers?
    I came across an article about older Japanese women complaining about having their husbands around after they retire. One woman was quoted as saying that the physical presence of her husband made her sick.
    I was given the impression that the long hours spent away from home during their prime years make salarimen strangers to their families.

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  266. “i also think this prohibition against intermarriage is distinctly feminine.”

    I strongly disagree. Men are all for intermarriage: for them. Women whom they define as “theirs” they want to remain “in the fold”. Some women are also catty about “their” men but unless they are personally involved they care much less. Look hard enough and you’ll see white guys with Asian girls glaring at black guys with white girls.

    Most guys are betas and they built traditional societies accordingly.

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  267. I’d be interested to see the picture of a black woman and her Japanese husband since they tend to be pretty short. She must be rather petite herself.

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  268. @Chicnoir

    As I was growing up in a beach community, the local ethos taught quite a bit about who was “sexy” and who wasn’t, and who was supposed to have sex and who wasn’t. The surprise comes from someone so “quiet and unassertive”–I really am, in some ways, a classic beta–being good with his hands and attuned to the power of touch.

    Most of my problems come from being walled-off from the world in general, by being “stuck in my head” through academic work, and socially isolated by life circumstances. “Game” partly gets me back into the world of the living, and partly gets my socially-phobic @$$ what it craves more than sex (which, it seems, I don’t have very much of or very often and, as such, don’t miss as much as I claim)–the power of physical touch with/from a woman I genuinely like. (Oddly, the last few have been somewhat-differently-abled (as I am) or fat.)

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  269. “True, true. But no letting Chic and Hello off the hook here. Being girls, they loooove to hear themselves speak & moralize, and what’s more moral than a girl who tells you, with school girl certitude, every sweet, cloying PC platitude her cute little head can conjure? Sure, Western universities are designed on the ancient Chinese model. ;-p”

    Don’t try to game me, dude, I’ve heard it all before.

    But I must admit that was good.

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  270. Michael 2B,

    It does take some time for the changes brought about by such innovations as the widespread use of modern contraceptives (and everything that goes along with them) to make themselves felt. The first generations to have access to such innovations as adults have usually grown up in a different moral and cultural world. They may try to toss out the remainder of that world, but their emotions and innate responses may still be ruled by their upbringing. They, in turn, will try to raise their own children with their own “new” values, in which a shadow of the old still lingers. It should take about three generations for technological innovations like “the pill” to have their full effect.

    So – let’s follow this through: the pill was introduced in the early 1960s (and was still illegal in many jurisdictions in North America for some years). Its first users would be in their 70s-80s now – some were no doubt older women when they started using it back then. Their daughters, the women who hit their early 20s in the 1960s, are themselves in their 60s today; these were the early Boomers. Their daughters would have reached maturity some time between 1980 and 1990.

    And so there you have it: three generations of women, the first coming to grips with the conviction that there is nothing immoral about birth control; the second generation moving towards the idea that there is nothing immoral about sex outside marriage, often still hungry for some form of commitment but afraid of being called bourgeois for it; and finally the generation of the 1990s, taking it for granted that casual sex is part of young adulthood for young women.

    But the anger that also exploded in the 1990s came from younger women who longed for stable love but feared that it was passe to ask for it, allied with older women who had taken a battering in the sexual revolution. Together, they argued that men’s sexual opportunism could somehow be legislated out of existence. If men could be taught not to care about looks…if men really understood commitment they woudln’t care about marriage so much…if men would consent to raise children communally…etc. etc., then a sexual Utopia might be realised, they thought.

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  271. Epiclolz “Growing up the Asian females would not give me the time of day”
    === Shit, that must have really messed with your head.

    I never really thought about it till I was an adult. So I don’t think it messed up my head necessarily, it just subconsciously forced me to expand my range… which I’m glad I did. I don’t think that most males really care about race, attractive is attractive period. I feel that way at least.

    Speaking of Filipinos… it is interesting to see that Filipinos (I’m half) and Koreans appear to have strongly typed traditional gender roles… There are definitely some Asian nationalities that have much more feminine male archetypes…

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  272. Some women are also catty about “their” men but unless they are personally involved they care much less.

    Black women are more resentful of BM-WF relationships than white men are. Like Asian men, black women frequently see themselves as being the losers of interracial dating.

    People usually want to be in a relationship with someone of roughly the same social standing (education, income, etc.). This make things difficult for many black women because they on average have higher income and are more likely to hold a college degree than black males.

    Simply put: WF-BM “hurts” black women more than white males because there far more eligible white women for a white man than there are eligible black male for a black woman.

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  273. roissy – that old chick in the background wants your junk…

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  274. I bet the older ladies are thinking “how sweet, that nice young man is taking a photo of the cute couple” or something like that. If they saw this post, roissy would get his ass kicked.

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  275. *Mu cosigns Sparks’ comments*

    But, having said that, I also have to add, that my personal experience, and that of several close friends (Zam, Ricky The Cancer, Rashid, etc), clearly points to the fact that its very possible to have a LTR btw a Black Man and a Black Woman where the former has nowhere near the same educational attainment as the later.

    Why?

    One huge factor: GAME.

    Comments?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  276. Keith, going against the grain may make someone an Alpha type, but this doesn’t necessarily translate to being the Alpha male or among them in one’s social grouping. A person can have loads of personal power, but not wish to take a leadership role.

    One could argue though, that someone becomes the Alpha male in their “one man army” as soon as they consciously decide to operate on the fringes.

    The peer recognized Alpha who operates in the mainstream however, uses the system to give him what he wants. He has to know when and what risks to take, and since marriage is a basic institution in most societies, a guy can’t usually afford to have a risky one and still keep his place/rank in the society. If he becomes the ruler, he may not even be able to afford to have a wife his followers and the traitors among them disapprove of.

    Concubines are another story…

    Joel, I didn’t mean what I said as specific to Jews. Any culture with marital restrictions based on ethnicity shoots themselves in the cock, as Hello would put it.

    What I was saying was that on an individual level, a person who finds themselves in such a culture may not be beta just because he takes the safest legitimate option.

    …and as I know all too well, just because a guy marries within his culture, doesn’t mean he intends to shag only within his culture. Some guys go into it knowing in advance they are marrying someone they barely want to touch at all, and will have a mistress who sexually suits them better. It’s quite common here for some in the upper middle class and above, to have a mistress for years before they marry.

    I’ve been shelved by both Jewish and Arab boyfriends who understood that I wasn’t going for that kind of arrangement. The Arabs were just too polite to say that explicitly.

    …which brings me to Lance’s point about defining status. It is a good one, but bear in mind that marriage is a social institution that organizes who is and isn’t in a legitimate pairing. Just because someone marries according to tradition doesn’t mean they will be monogamous, or only have sex and children with their “legitimate” partner.

    In some cultures, the guys who set the bar have a variety of concubines. Because they are Alpha, this is ignored until someone gunning for their place uses it against them.

    So I understand why you’d class them as higher beta, but I wouldn’t go quite that far. Some, I’m sure, are using a facade to get what they want on purpose.

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  277. Mu,

    You call it “game,” I call it “lack of options.”

    A poor white guy isn’t able to be in an LTR with a middle class white girl no matter how much game he has because the white woman has a bunch of option. She might keep him around as a fuck on the side, but she’ll stick with a potential provider in terms of a “boyfriend” that she’ll show off to her girlfriends.

    A middle class black woman will usually give alphaness a higher priority in terms of LTRs than a middle class white woman would. If there were a bunch of middle class black alphas, she’d flock to them, but there aren’t and the few that exist are frequently getting with white women. So given the choice between a poor, uneducated black alpha and a white beta provider, the middle class black woman will pick the black alpha.

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  278. Sparks,
    While I can see your point and do admit there is some truth to it, I think it oversimplifies things.

    Firstly, the vast majority of folk that makeup the Black Middle Class are married-to each other. Now, having said that, granted, there is a such thing as an Eligible Black Male Shortage. True. But its not as if every highly educated Sista out there has no choice but to slum it. Its just not true.

    Nor is it entirely true that her White Sister in the Burbs are dutifully marrying Betas. If anything and I think Whiskey and others who’ve studied this can attest, White Marital rates are dropping like a stone, and I’ve personally seen many a pairing of a college educated White Sister w/a Prole White Guy. In fact, according to demographic trends, if anything we’re gonna see more of this, not less.

    Please understand something: me, and the other guys mentioned, make a decent dime. True, none of us will retire millionaires, but all of us are self-supporting “w/o Drama” and can afford some nice things this country of ours has to offer. In the eyes of most Women in our time, White or Black, that ain’t bad.

    And again, let’s be clear-Game cannot be discounted. Simply put, having a decent paycheck ain’t enough, not in our time where Women can and do support themselves. You gotta have something other than that to seal the deal.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  279. [i]Koreans are like that. Extraordinarily “cliquish.”[/i]

    Actually DF, crunch these numbers:
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

    You’ll notice that there are more American-born Korean women married to white guys than there are American-born Korean men married at all!

    [i]As for Asian women,its intersting that they have the rep of not being interested in any black males.[/i]

    Parse the data above. A non-negligible % of asian females are marrying blacks. Sure, blacks are 13% of population, but you take into account that asian women are only dating certain dork subgroups (e.g. black males ever enrolled in a linear algebra class), I’m pretty sure the black guys still come out ahead.

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  280. Don’t forget the non-nerdy Asian types you find in places such as military towns like where I grew up. Black males completely dominated that scene in general, thus it made a lot of sense to listen to their advice and behavior. The ones I knew had amused confidence and constant practice from my experience, the first time my friend logically explained that you need to keep a stash of girls, I was amazed. I was about 16 at the time.

    I think we should differentiate this discussion by mating instead marriage…. because… I don’t think that Marriage numbers capture the behavior very well (I think the skew may be significantly worse than even the Marriage numbers suggest)… especially when you throw in extra-pair coupling (read: epic cuckoldry)

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  281. … speaking of violence, one theme I’m picking up on in romantic comedies is the the pacifist punching bag meme. Wedding Crashers, Sarah Marshall, a couple others I can’t recall right now, all feature leading men who get beaten up badly by some guy during the course of the movie, simetimes in front of the girl who falls in love with them.
    It’s not that a bigger and stronger maniac kicks their ass; it’s the fact that they don’t even raise their fists to block a punch, much less attempt one. Instead, they get punched across the face, hit after hit, while standing there, martyr-like, trying to talk sensibly to their assailant. What’s up with that?

    It ties in with the complete taboo on fighting that has infested American society. Schools provide the starkest example. As recently as 25 or 30 years ago, no one would make a big deal over a good old fashioned schoolyard punch-up. It was just a part of the growing-up process. The combatants would get sent to the principal’s office, and might get detention or even a brief suspension, but except in unusual cases that would be that. Today? A schoolyard fight is a major catastrophe. The participants will face severe punishment, such as being sent to “alternative” schools and sessions with the school psychologist, there’ll be multiple parent conferences, and it’s not at all unusual for the police to be summoned. Even kids who were just defending themselves against unprovoked attacks will be punished.

    This taboo against fighting is not limited to schools. Except among the underclass, most adult men simply cannot conceive of slamming their fists into another man’s face no matter how dire the circumstances. We’re told “never fight back” against any attack, even when it’s plainly obvious that the price of nonresistance will be high.

    The book A Fighter’s Heart by Sam Sheridan has a highly illuminating passage which deals with this state of affairs:

    Kids used to fight more; violence wasn’t so frowned upon and didn’t escalate as it does today with the prevalence of firearms. The penalties are severe today – getting in a few bar fights can lead to weeks or months in jail, heavy fines, and tremendous hassle. The cops will invariably arrive. Everybody in the early part of the century, through the Depression, would be in fistfights, especially as young kids. You would know who was the toughest kid on your block, and how you compared to him, and then you would know how he compared to the toughest fighter in the neighborhood, the city, the state; and you would see how the best fighter in the state got his clock cleaned by Sugar Ray Robinson or Jack Dempsey, and you would have a direct relation to and understanding of that controlled violence.

    So yes, the pacifist punching bag meme in romantic comedies is just a mirror of what’s going on in our society. A trend I deplore, needless to say.

    Peter

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  282. A poor white guy isn’t able to be in an LTR with a middle class white girl no matter how much game he has because the white woman has a bunch of option. She might keep him around as a fuck on the side, but she’ll stick with a potential provider in terms of a “boyfriend” that she’ll show off to her girlfriends.

    On the other hand, it’s not at all unusual to see LTR’s and marriages between whites in which the women are much better educated than the men. The difference is that the men generally earn decent incomes, often through skilled trades.

    Peter

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  283. Things you guys so far got about Asian girls: yes, they value intelligence (like jewish women do), height and earning potential (like everyone does).

    Things you guys missed:
    Saying “asian women” is a lot like saying “white women.” Pretty much a meaningless distinction beyond skin color. American white women are a lot different from Russians or Greeks. To break it down a bit: Asian-American women are effectively the same as American white women. I know something about Chinese, Korean and Japanese women: they’re all different. Chinese, for example, have a long tradition, dating from the yellow emperors, of dominating their husbands. They prefer betas for this reason. Sure, there is also a Chinese harem tradition, but most Chinese peasants want a smart benz driving engineer-nerd (engineers in China and other developing countries are high status, even when they’re nerds) who they can boss around. Married people in Asian cultures are considered adults so there is huge social pressure to be married, and who gets married? Herb. There’s also the cheating factor; my informal surveys indicate that an awful lot of cheating housewives are asian women. Easier to get away with if you’re married to Herb. Having knocked the boots of my share: I wasn’t afraid of being caught by any of the ones married to some round eye Herb who wrote software and was in therapy; but I was terrified of the Asian husband surprising us in flagrante with a meat cleaver. FInally, Korean or Japanese men are extremely domineering; they make Arabs seem like progressive latte drinkers. Lazy asian females will often find Herb to be pretty easy to deal with in comparison. It ain’t that they’re “alpha” so much as they just expect a lot. My Korean teacher dates honkeys for example, because they don’t expect her to wash their socks and cook all the time. Also, if a Korean woman marries a first born son, she can expect to be an actual slave to her inlaws: that doesn’t happen with round-eyes. Also; asian women tend to fetishize blondes and Italian looking hairy dudes (they like hairy bodies; sign of virility).

    Men who can’t date Jewish girls are usually pussies. Which, by the way, is why jewish girls are so exogamous; jewish men are often momma’s boys. Men who can’t keep Jewish girls are usually stupid.

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  284. Over the years, my girlfriend has had guys of every race, creed and color hit on her-except black guys. At 5’10”, 125 lbs., it’s pretty obvious why.

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  285. Honestly, I would consider myself an upper beta… (I am able to get much better looking girls than other guys in my appearance range woulc get) and I can confirm this.

    Asians always seemed like easy targets for white beta guys… especially FOBs (Fresh off the boat). I’m not sure if its cultural or not but they seem to respond to betaness more than other races. When I was more beta, asians were my go to group.

    Right now, I am dating a half-black/ puerto rican girl and I got to be on my toes.

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  286. I can’t believe I actually read through all the insane neuroses in this thread. You guys actually sit there and think about things like this? What was the original article about? Asian women? Asians?

    More so than other ethnic groups, they want to assimilate into their host culture. It’s that simple. The ignorance of numerous Asians who are too dumb to understand this about themselves leads to these dumb tangential discussions and opinions which need not exist.

    Asians tend to assimilate to whatever they perceive as high status. In the US, this is tends to be white guys. Some other times, it may be a rich or cool Asian guy in their social circle.

    Your comments say more about your guys’ own near insanity. Some of you people need therapy desperately.

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  287. […] find nearly everyone carries the stink of beta. It’s an eye-opener to identify a man as beta and then watch how he projects it through his posture, his voice tone, his rapport laughter, his […]

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  288. Stumbled onto this….
    As an Asian girl who has dated both Asian and non-Asians, here are my two cents:
    Sometimes it has alot to do with how the girl is approached. The nerdy white dude may have been courteous and asked her out on a date outright versus an Asian guy who dances around and pretends not to be too interested.

    It also has to do with curiosity in other cultures. Before I date an Asian guy I already know that he has a similar background/upbringing/tendencies, but I don’t know that if I date outside my race.

    Eitherway, the girl in the picture may not be considered cute by asian guys anyway so why not tolerate a nerdy white dude who showers her with attention when people of her own race wouldn’t?

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