Reader Mailbag

It’s another installment of Reader Mailbag. The previous edition can be found here.

Email #1

Great series this week on the different chick types. You think you can give some ideas/advice on how to break through a DC-specific subset of women, namely, the cold hard preppie country club (real or wannabe) girls who hang at Smith Point, Town Hall, Paolo’s, etc? It seems that unless you’re in their social circle, there’s no way to blast through their bitch shields. I’ve got above-average game but I don’t look/dress like that crowd and I refuse to wear pink popped collared shirts and pants with lobsters on them to infiltrate. Many of these chicks are super hot though. How does a gamer bounce these young rich chicks in to bed, aside from talking/lying about your trust fund and house in the Hamptons?

L.

My first response: Why would you even want these types of girls? Then I remembered — to corrupt their blueblood souls. Carry on.

Every type of girl is in a “social circle” unless she’s so ugly or fat she is forced to strike out on her own. Girls come preprogrammed to seek the protection and support of the tribe, so their first instinct when dropped into a new city and out of their parents’ house is to build allies and draw social boundaries. As a regular guy, you’ll find it just as hard to blast through a hipster chick’s bitch shield as a Georgetown prep chick’s bitch shield. The details may change but the bitch remains the same.

You’ve got two options; either play the rebel outsider to the hilt, or assume the accoutrements and tastes of the social group you want to infiltrate. Since you loathe the latter, you have to connect without the crutch of preapproved social cues. If you can expertly lie, and you’re only interested in quickie flings, you could pull a Talented Mr. Ripley act and crash their scene like a nouveau rich unknown from lands afar. The brooding artist outsider who gets invited to all the swank gallery openings is also an effective fusillade aimed right at the pretentiously status-conscious soft underbelly of the WASP crowd. If you can’t lie like a champ, any efforts to go blingo-a-blingo with the upper classes will fail; there will always be some dude richer than your lies.

My advice is to laugh off the money talk. When she mentions her daddy’s yacht, tell her your rowboat has better fuel economy. Class and money honeys are constitutionally drawn to men who don’t play by their high society rules. As long as you steer clear of any hints of resentment or insecurity, and talk about your passions in a way that she can’t help but love, you’ll have success. Oh, and don’t rag on the popped collar douches too much around her. While you might think glib putdowns of her social scene would build a secret world with you and her, it just as likely could make her defensive. It’s a fine line between edgy and bitter.

Email #2

Although I think you occasionally overreach, you seem to be onto

something, so I thought I’d ask you about small-town girls.  I lived
in a big city for a long time (and got plenty of play) before moving
out to a town of less than 100,000 and missing more often than
hitting.  There is something different about small-town girls that I
can’t quite put my finger on.  Any leads?

R.

Leads? See here. In the small towns, your number of pump and dumps will fall, but your odds of finding a quality girl for a relationship will rise. It’s simple sexual economics. Hotter, ambitious chicks with high circulating levels of testosterone flock to the cities to pursue their dreams (AKA make enough money to buy haute couture sweaters for their small dogs) and meet a great man (AKA fuck the same three dudes every other girl in the city is fucking). The difference you are seeing is that small town girls from good backgrounds (i.e. not trailer trash) are more feminine, less slutty, more traditional, and less likely to cheat. The downsides are that more small town girls are fat and uber religious. The big upside? Chicks in the sticks have little firsthand experience with game. They will melt under your onslaught.

Email #3

I have a cousin who has absolutely no game. He is older then me, and when we were younger I always looked up to him because he is really funny and incredibly smart. Now that I have grown up, I envy his job and money, but the fact that he can’t pick chicks up is really bothering him. While I’m not like a super player, I have never had much trouble with girls. The problem is that he has the potential but just cant get out of his shell.

He is new to the area, having just moved back to up state NY, and I haven’t been able to successfully hook him up with any one. This how ever is making it increasingly hard to spend time with the girl I’m currently slamming.

I want to help him, But a wing man can only do so much. What do you recommend?

Any guidance would be appreciated. He is getting to that bitterness that just makes it hard to be around him.

Thanks for your time,

J. D.

You can lead a cock to pussy, but you can’t make it penetrate.

Btw, for all you “alpha is a leader of men, not a bedder of women” believers, read this man’s email closely. His cousin has a great job and lots of money and was always looked up to because he is “really funny and incredibly smart”. Those are alpha traits that other men admire, but because of his lackluster skills with women, the emailer is getting to the point that he doesn’t even want to go out with him anymore. This is because the one thing men admire MOST in other men is their expertise at meeting and fucking women. The evidence is in the envy.

J.D., I would suggest, if you can trust your cousin, having your girlfriend wing with him. This will do more for his ability to get conversations going with women than all the professional pickup wingmen in the world, thanks to the powerful force of preselection. If she agrees to do this, reward your girl with tenderly administered blasts of semen to her face. If she doesn’t agree, sign your cousin up for a bootcamp.

Email #4

So here’s the deal. I’m [name withheld] from your blog
(please withhold the e-mail address if you’re planning on publishing
this e-mail) and I need help with this chick from my college.

She digs my best friend, and I kinda dig her too, and she has this
crazy bet that if I can get my best friend to reciprocate her
feelings for him, she’ll have sex with me. She’s seriously willing to
live up to her end of the deal. The problem is that my best friend is
somewhat of an orthodox Muslim and I think his religion even forbids
him from kissing girls before marriage. Also, I don’t think he has
any sexual feelings for the girl, even though I’d peg her at at least
a legitimate 7 out of 10.

So, how can I get my friend to like the girl so I can collect
on the deal and have sex with her?

This is so fucked up I love it. So she’ll have sex with you if you can somehow convince your best friend to want to have sex with her? Better yet, you have to convince him to feel attracted to her if he doesn’t already? And do it all facing Mecca and under threat of decapitation by enraged family members? Inshallah!

I’m just going to pretend this isn’t a put-on, because it’s what the readership would want. Fact: If a guy isn’t physically attracted to a girl, there is NOTHING she OR you can do about it. But who cares about facts? We’re in it to win it! Tell your Muslim friend that 72 virgins in the afterlife, and $100 right now, await him if he goes on a date with this freak chick and acts like he likes her. Tell him there is a loophole in the Koran which permits fornication with dirty subhuman infidels for the purposes of spreading Muhammed’s seed of truth. Now all you have to ask yourself is if this chick’s booty is worth $100, a mountain of lies, and a possible fatwah against your heathen ass.

Email #5

Thanks for your blog, your posts have given me immeasurable insight. A question (which you may post on your website without my details), the answer for which will be timely for me in the coming weeks.

Could you please name 3-5 karaoke songs which a (lesser) alpha male would choose as a first time solo performance? Also 3-5 songs which to avoid at all costs. You can assume no singing talent at all and a complete newbie, but someone who has no problem with stepping into the limelight and enough confidence not to choke.

Thanks in advance,

T.

Karaoke songs a lesser alpha should sing: Metallica’s Master of Puppets, Tori Amos’ Little Earthquakes, Pet Shop Boys West End Girls. Good luck!

(I’ll let the commenters have at this one.)

Email #6

so.  i’m curious about something and hope your vitriolic, narcissistic self might have the answer…

why is it that guys like audibles?  not in the football sense, of course, but in the sexual sense?  in the ‘i want to hear you moan/tell me how big i am/how you feel/what you want/what a bad girl you are’ sense?

maybe i’m just a slut…  but i’ve heard this from enough guys (and girls who are less slutty than me) to know that something doesn’t jive with guys’ ‘oh, we’re visual creatures’ thing…

hugs and kisses,

K (aka dirty blonde)

ps – dirty blonde was used when i posted about hair (it’s my hair color).  but i liked the double entendre so it stuck.

“Vitriolic, narcissistic self”? You know the way to a man’s heart, K.

Audibles (and by this I do NOT mean play calling; leave that for the lawyer chicks) are like negs — best in small doses. A little moaning here, a little grunting there, and an occasional gasp when, for instance, my member is throbbing in front of your face making you go cross-eyed, goes a long way. There’s nothing more annoying than a chick who can’t shut the fuck up for a second during sex. Incessant moaning like a retard who got bopped on the head tells us guys that you are either being a phonyfuck who really isn’t into the sex all that much and who hopes making exaggerated love noises will convince you otherwise, or you have watched too much porn and think this is what we want to hear. Personally, I lose my hardon when the chick in the porno moans the whole time and I’m forced to turn down the volume on my speakers. It’s distracting from the main show: The splitting of her vulva.

fucks and jizzes,

R (aka the man who gave dirk diggler penis envy)

ps: you said “stuck”.

Email #7

Here’s my “anonymous” question for you.

I agree with the approaches on chicks. I’m gay, and the less interested I am in them, the more they wanna get it on. Even times I’ve told them “I like the ass”, the still don’t get it. Man, get a chick going, and she won’t fuck off.

Anyway, here’s my question. How do your maxims apply to gay dudes? I notice a lot of comments you’ve made that women date ugly dudes, but men RARELY ever want to date an ugly chick. So, do you think the same sort of thing applies to the ‘mo’s: if you’re a sad, chunky, beta male, you’re basically hosed as a homo? Because guys want hot, ass or poon – period?

I know you’re def. not gay, but you probably have some contacts in gayland who can expand a bit on the “maxims” and how they apply to us b-pirates. And, for god sakes, it might just be a fun experiment to expand into some diversity. I still have a cock that needs attention. I mean, why not?

Or maybe you’ll just tell me to blow off, since this is all about the poon. But come on, we all just wanna get it wet.

Man, I’m eager to hear!

JP.

Redirect to: David Alexander.

Gay men have the same sexual attraction mechanism as straight men, except that it is oriented to the same sex. This means gays value youth and beauty in other men. Old queens are indeed hosed. Luckily, with all their discretionary cash accumulated from not having to raise children, they can afford the services of young male prostitutes. I’d imagine ugly gay men have it worst of anyone. At least ugly straight men can bring other things to the table, like charm or social status, to attract girls. Viewed in this light, it makes perfect sense why gays spend an inordinate amount of time primping themselves and removing all body hair. Gays are basically women who don’t lie to themselves that it’s what’s on the inside that counts.

So hit the gym and the CL Casual Encounters, cream puff!

“And, for god sakes, it might just be a fun experiment to expand into some diversity. I still have a cock that needs attention. I mean, why not?”

You have me mistaken for someone who is French.





Comments


  1. on October 17, 2008 at 4:59 pm ironrailsironweights

    Gotta disagree WRT e-mail no. 5. Karaoke is douchebaggy no matter what you sing. Avoid at all costs.

    Peter

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  2. Another difficulty with small-town girls is that reputation management SUCKS for a girl in a small town. WAY easier to get a slut reputation in a town where everyone has at most 3 degrees of separation from each other, and slut reputations are the social kiss of death for a woman. A friend of mine lived in a small town and he said he noticed that most of the shit-testing he received from small-town girls were veiled subtle inquiries into his secret-keeping skills. So he adjusted his game accordingly. Whenever a small town girl asks you about past girlfriends, sexual history, etc, you should always let it drop how you hate talking about ex-es and sexual partners, never kiss and tell, drop things when appropriate like how you are past the age and insecurity level where you brag about conquests to impress people and prove things to yourself…lay foundation in her head that you are a great secret keeper. Also, small towns don’t just have fat chicks, crackhead skinny is also pretty common 😀

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  3. L needs to regard the prep males as too silly to get worked up about. If he’s bitter about them, that means they’ve got something he wants. Instead, if he’s confident in himself without their social signals, it shows that their signals are worthless.

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  4. “Fact: If a guy isn’t physically attracted to a girl, there is NOTHING she OR you can do about it”

    I don’t think this is true if the girl just wants to sleep with the guy – any girl who is decently attractive, but just doesn’t quite “catch the eye” of the guy she wants to fuck can just make it really really easy for him to fuck her. There are plenty of girls out there I would fuck given an easy opportunity but I wouldn’t actually want to put in the effort to chat them up.

    I think after that if the guy is beta enough then she MIGHT have a chance of getting him in a relationship if he’s sexually repressed and guilty about it or something. But probably nothing that would last for long…

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  5. re: email 1

    I think you underestimate the power socioeconomic status has on a woman’s preferences. In some ways it is like the injunction to not date outside of one’s race: there are exceptions, but they prove the rule.

    The exceptions are when the (hot) girl is of lower SES than the man, or when the man is some hunky,macho blue-collar type that gets Buffy’s coochie wet.

    re: email #5:

    “In Love” by Fear of Pop, feat. William Shatner.

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  6. re. Karaoke.

    a blistering version of november rain is always welcome.

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  7. I have a couple of gay friends who get laid despite, shall we say, not being in a position to win beauty contests. The easiest thing is to look for others just as ugly and desperate as you. The other strategy is to look for closeted gays in peer groups that hate homosexuals. They will be grateful to be with someone who accepts them. In my friends’ cases the groups are 17-22 year olds and blacks. (Actually, it was 17-22 year old blacks.) I suppose there is some kind of game you could work on for these crowds, but I would prefer not to think about it.

    Based on my friends’ stories, I must point out that dating unhappy people leads to unhappy relationships. Dating people who are with you because of the company instead of because they are attracted to you leads to not much sex.

    One thing that gays have going for them, at least, is that they are attracted to men. A problem that many lesbians have is that they sleep with women, not so much because they are attracted to women, but because they are repulsed by men.

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  8. Redirect to: David Alexander.

    Given all that I’ve posted here, it’s pretty safe to presume that I’m not gay.

    If she agrees to do this, reward your girl with tenderly administered blasts of semen to her face.

    I’ll take the bait here, how is this a reward for her?

    His cousin has a great job and lots of money and was always looked up to because he is “really funny and incredibly smart”.

    Except that doesn’t necessarily make him alpha. People have said that I’m funny and intelligent, but while I think most of those people are crackheads who have never met actual intelligent and humourous people, it doesn’t automatically make one into an alpha.

    The difference you are seeing is that small town girls from good backgrounds (i.e. not trailer trash) are more feminine, less slutty, more traditional, and less likely to cheat.

    So in other words, I get a bunch of plain looking white girls who are even less likelt to indulge in the nails/heels/make up and are too scared to date a black guy lest everybody in the community finds out?

    Why would you even want these types of girls?

    The ability to penetrate the world of the rich and to deposit one’s semen in hopes creating a child with the glorious lineage needed to be a “somebody” in this country.

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  9. Re: #4, this is not at all the response I expected of Roissy. if the girl is hot enough, i can see the fuck-her-at-all-costs attitude, but jesus, who are we talking about? not to mention she said she would sleep with you and she seems genuine that she would live up to that. if she would at all have sex with you, you need to close that deal yourself, fuck that other guy.

    Re: Karaoke, its a fine line folks. all depends on your skillz (voice, presence, style, attitude, and knowledge of lyrics). there are many OK songs to sing, and some fantastic ones depending on who you are, but there are definitely a good amount that you should NEVER sing.

    recommendation: if you can at least stay on key, and better if you have a solid voice, “All Night Long” by Lionel will bring the house down. cheers.

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  10. Regarding the Muslim, if you want to actually win the bet, it might help to think about what reasons the guy might have for not acknowledging this girl, even though he might be attracted to her. (If he’s just not attracted to her, nothing is going to work.) If he’s a strict Muslim, the only women he’s spent much time with are his own close relatives. All of his friends have been guys. (This is why western passive homosexuals can get so much action in Arab countries. Hey, maybe JP should go to Egypt and teach English.) He might see Western women as these bewildering alien creatures who dress like whores and act like sluts but who reject him with extreme prejudice whenever he tries to act on his attraction.

    Here’s what she needs to do. This would totally not work on a woman, but guys aren’t women. She should first befriend him. She should engage him in meaningful conversation. She should not dress provocatively (at first anyway) so that to start with, he can deal with her as he might with a male friend. At some point he will say how most girls strike him as slut-Jekyll/rejecting-Hydes. She needs to sell him on a sex positive western world view. That a man and a woman you can have sex for mutual pleasure without it being predation or prostitution. Hopefully, the next step will be obvious.

    Obviously, this isn’t going to work if he just doesn’t find her attractive.

    Re Karaoke: “Your Cheatin’ Heart” by Hank Williams is easy to sing. Plus, anything from Nothing Sacred and the Underground Album by David Allen Coe.

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  11. Re:#6 and audibles — Guys like a reasonable amount of moaning/dirty talk because it indicates that the girl is actually enjoying the sex. And there’s nothing sexier than a girl who enjoys sex. The opposite is the dead fish who doesn’t say or do anything.

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  12. Re. Kareoke:

    I once saw a guy bring down the house with Pearl Jam’s “Alive.”

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  13. Pearl Jam’s

    Ah yes, real white people music…

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  14. If he has no singing talent whatsoever as he claims, a lot of these karaoke choices are going to be hard as hell. 3 good songs for people who can’t sing are Sonny and Cher’s “I got you babe”, BBD’s “Poison,” and anything by Bob Dylan or Johnny Cash.

    Guns and Roses and Pearl Jam have some great lead singers, I wouldnt do one of their songs. Rick’s “All Night Long” suggestion I think was on point.

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  15. Oh, “The Passenger” by Iggy Pop is great too if you can’t sing.

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  16. I sorta agree with Tupac. I find that Georgetown subset to be difficult to penetrate. They can be dealt with like any other girl, true. I’ve dated rich girls before; but they always seemed to come from a place more receptive of the ‘rebel streak’ than their peers.

    Ultimately, my theory is that these women have a tighter than normal psychological affinity for conformity. Which means the exceptional is that much more exceptional, but there’s a sort of no-mans land with these girls between the two areas. But that’s my .02

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  17. she has this crazy bet that if I can get my best friend to reciprocate her feelings for him, she’ll have sex with me.

    Assuming that Email #4 is not a joke — what makes this guy think for a moment that this girl will honor her promise?

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  18. yeah, wtf?!?!? alphas don’t do Karaoke.

    and lol… that last guy puts cocks in his mouth

    and his ass

    fag

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  19. Am I the only person that really enjoys the shit outta Kick a Bitch’s comments? 😀

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  20. on October 17, 2008 at 6:49 pm ironrailsironweights

    Am I the only person that really enjoys the shit outta Kick a Bitch’s comments?

    Not at all, I find them funny too.

    I’d really like to add a GNP-related comment to this thread, but I just can’t figure out where it would go.

    Peter

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  21. T.

    No you’re not the only one

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  22. I’d really like to add a GNP-related comment to this thread, but I just can’t figure out where it would go.

    since when do you need a segue?

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  23. #4 should insist on some partial payment up front like a blowjob

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  24. 😀

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  25. DA:

    I don’t know how small your town is, but I am a small towner in a flyover state and all I’ve ever dated are educated blondes. Small town chicks are equally slutty if not worse. And they all have kids. The pickins is getting slimmer for LTR. One night stands are norm. So bad is the pickins I don’t date much anymore. I just play along on the ONS. Sparingly on the single moms.

    Karaoke:

    There’s nothing unalpha about it if have actual talent. Better still is playing an acoustic number on open mic night. “Me and Mrs Jones – Billy Paul” works for me. If you want to split the audience in half, “Fuck it – Eamon”. Some will think you’re bitter and other will love you for speaking on their behalf.

    Muslim Situation:

    Cut out the middle man. She already wants to fuck him.

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  26. DA:

    Left out one point. I am black, African black.

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  27. I don’t know how small your town is

    David Alexander lives with his parents in a lily-white suburb on Long Island so my only contact with a small town is with what I’ve read on the “internets” and other related portions of the media, and what others have told about their trips to such towns.

    I never said speculated on their sexuality or lack there of, but on their beauty and so-called femininity compared to their big city counterparts. Admittedly, I’m surprised that white women would date you in a small town…

    Sparingly on the single moms.

    Ahh yes, single mothers, the prime source of females for the omega-male provider.

    Cut out the middle man. She already wants to fuck him.

    TRUTH.

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  28. So you talking some stove-pipe colored shit ain’t you?

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  29. Gays are basically women who don’t lie to themselves that it’s what’s on the inside that counts.

    Women are becoming more like gay men all the time.

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  30. Admittedly, I’m surprised that white women would date you in a small town…

    two problems here.

    1) this isn’t 1962 anymore, brah.
    if you can afford to come to the s.f. apple store, then you can also afford to borrow a lily-white car and take a road trip. you’ll discover that small town girls don’t lack the predilection for black affection.**

    2) date != fuck.

    OPEN CHALLENGE TO DA: when was the last time you experienced overt racism, in any way?
    and by “overt” i mean “overt”, not “some guy gave me a derisive look because of my betatude, but, as usual, i automatically ascribed it to racial prejudice”.
    half a grip says it was the day before never.

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  31. on October 17, 2008 at 9:43 pm Christopher Tracy

    I’m the guy in e-mail number 4 and my friends are now seeing eachother. Only now, my chick friend feels guilty and is willing to go halfsies on an escort for me instead of giving me her fuckbox, psshh

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  32. The big upside? Chicks in the sticks have little firsthand experience with game. They will melt under your onslaught.

    There is no 1 to 1 transferance from big city bar game to social circle game. Gaming in smaller social circles, such as in small towns or smaller religious communities, has it’s own skills, without which you will fail miserably. What attracts girls is the same, but you need to have a broader mastery of social dynamics. Most of all you have a rep that needs to be managed. For example, you can’t be seen to be gaming every girl out there, even just for dates. Everybody knows each other and everybody talks to everybody. Tact and discretion are at a premium. Risk taking has higher downside. Furthermore, girls as T. has noted, girls will put more into managing their own reps. For example, they will often strive mightily to cover up their interest, which makes them a lot harder to read.

    Gaming people you know is just different than gaming strangers. Don’t assume that you can waltz into a small town and unleash your bar game on the unsuspecting hicks.

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  33. 31 Christopher Tracey:

    Only now, my chick friend feels guilty and is willing to go halfsies on an escort for me instead of giving me her fuckbox

    Escort??? Not even hooking you up with one of her friends??

    You just got played, fool.

    Next time you’re at her place bust a nut on her toothbrush.

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  34. As for the Smith Point crowd, they generally tend to come from similar prep schools and southern colleges (Wake Forest, Univ of Virginia, Chapel Hill, etc) so the cliques and networks start then. I agree that for the outsider, the only way to have a chance with these broads is to play up the mysterious and dangerous outsider angle. Their menfolk are not mysterious or dangerous (unless yachting and polo count) so it might have some appeal. However, if you roll up to Smith Point on your Hog, looking like Fonzie, they’ll probably laugh you right out of the joint. It’s a delicate balance. Bottom line, this is a tough subset to crack. But once you’re in their circle, you have access to some of the hottest and tightest Republican ass around. They love BOTH kinds of pearl necklaces (waka waka waka). Opportunities might increase for the outsider once DC starts hemmoraging trustafarian Republican dudes in the next several months when the Bush-era ends and the liberal supermajority era begins.

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  35. DA:

    I don’t date the single moms. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I Sport fuck them. They’re not out all the time so they’re not being nailed by all the guys in town like the clueless 21 year olds. I will not date a 21 year old. They are full of drama. Newly 21s are fun toys before all the vultures turn them into inevitable sluts. I keep two of such wing chicks.

    JF:

    I’ve had two such overt incidents within this year. One was in a one horse town at a dive. We were passing through and wanted to get plowed. It was the only bar there. Some red neck shouted from one end of the bar, “Who brought in the Nigger?”. My white friends damn near killed him. We still weren’t leaving. We had booze to drink. The other was also at a dive, but here in town. Statistically though, this is not the norm. Most places I hangout I tend to be the only black dude there.

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  36. Thursday:

    Agreed on rep management.

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  37. Btw, for all you “alpha is a leader of men, not a bedder of women” believers, read this man’s email closely. His cousin has a great job and lots of money…

    There’s an important distinction between societal status and social status.

    The alpha male (and female for that matter) is the highest ranking individual within a social group.

    It’s more about power and influence than anything else. That’s why bouncers get laid even when they’re fat and ugly while handsome, well dressed middle-management businessmen can count their life time sex partners on both hands.

    Women seek out alphas. They don’t make them.

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  38. @ 30 johnny five

    1) I was actually on planning on renting a car and doing some mean roadgeeking for my birthday in a few weeks, but I’ve become ultra-focused on paying down credit card debt. Regardless, the fear of some cop deciding to make me a suspect for driving a nice rented car in the countryside is always with me.

    As for the Bay Area trip, that was financed from one year’s worth of saving combined with money from a settlement. As for small-town white girls, they may be interested in having sex with black men, but they’re less likely to want people to know about it or to enter in public long-term relationships with black men.

    2) Obviously, but dating a black man requires being in public with him, while fucking him is something that can be done in private with no knowledge by other.

    OPEN CHALLENGE TO DA

    Other than the douchebag Nassau County cop who pulled me over, I’ll be honest and say that I’ve been spared from blatant overt racism. One could argue that I’ve been spared since I stay in “mixed” spaces, and I live in NYC, a relatively liberal city, and I stay out of poor black neighbourhoods and rich white neighbourhoods where profiling is commonplace.

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  39. DA:

    Maybe one horse towns still have that I can’t publicly date a black guy stigma. I went to all the usual places with my girlfriends. And often being the only person of color in their with snowflake. I didn’t get second looks. People just minded their own business. Hell, I even made-out with them in public. Kiss closing in a club in the open is something I do quite casually. Could be that I’m fairly well known around “these here” parts. Also on the average better groomed than most guys on the scene. Or I just have it easy.

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  40. Tupac saidNext time you’re at her place bust a nut on her toothbrush

    YUCK!!!!
    😯
    Damn you are sick.

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  41. DAOne could argue that I’ve been spared since I stay in “mixed” spaces, and I live in NYC, a relatively liberal city, and I stay out of poor black neighbourhoods and rich white neighbourhoods where profiling is commonplace.

    You are not the first black person who I’ve come across that has been spared overt racism. I’ve been on the receiving end of overt racism a few times. Sometimes I think wht men are taking their beefs with blk men out on me since I am a safer target as a black woman. Similar to the stories you hear on the 6’oclock news of young white women being beaten and murdered by young blk males(which are rare btw).

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  42. 40 Chic:

    YUCK!!!!

    Don’t front. You know you’ve been dreaming about my babybatter.

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  43. sqits
    DA:

    Left out one point. I am black, African black.

    what country are you from?

    tupac:that’s like spitting in someone’s* food.

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  44. DA

    As far as small town girls not wanting to go out in public with black men – you are seriously underextimating the urge a “good girl” has to piss off her parents!
    Especially if her daddy’s a minister.

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  45. *estimating

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  46. I’m the guy in e-mail number 4 and my friends are now seeing eachother. Only now, my chick friend feels guilty and is willing to go halfsies on an escort for me instead of giving me her fuckbox, psshh

    how fucking totally predictable was this?

    A little tip, since you’re obviously not that experienced in life: don’t ever see an “escort” in the U.S. unless you have a reference from someone wealthy and successful who can get you someone elite. If you do want an escort, get her to go “halfsies” on your trip to Europe, Argentina, or the far east.

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  47. Chicnoir, it is a matter of record, i.e. you can find this in the National Criminal Justice stats, that Black-on-White crime far outweighs the other way around. It is working from memory something like 17 times the rate of White-on-Black crime.

    There are almost none, that is under two digits, White-on-Black sexual assaults, while the reverse is not true, it is quite large.

    If anything, such things as the notorious Knoxville atrocity, are under-reported. Knoxville TV and Newspapers did not report the race of the victims (white) and perpetrators (black). It is the rule of thumb that when race of the criminal perpetrator is not mentioned, it is either Black or Hispanic. Moreover, everyone knows this as the “undernews” reality that is known but not discussed.

    However, perception of threat is linked to both race and class. Look like a middle class Black guy, no threat perception. Look like an extra from a Gangsta Rap video, high threat perception.

    High threat perception in the latter because of the underlying reality. Not much difference in criminal behavior between middle class black and white guys; HUGE difference between urban underclass black guys and almost every other demographic category.

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  48. on October 18, 2008 at 2:06 am ironrailsironweights

    Gay men have the same sexual attraction mechanism as straight men, except that it is oriented to the same sex. This means gays value youth and beauty in other men.

    Serious reply:

    Years ago I read the book And the Band Played On by Randy Shilts, a history of the AIDS epidemic’s early years. One thing I vividly recall was his description of San Francisco’s gay bathhouses just before the epidemic hit. Men would lie face down on cots in rooms with cans of Crisco by their sides. Any man who so desired could go into one of these rooms and have an “encounter” with the man within. Typically, the two men in such an encounter would exchange no words and never see each other’s face.

    Peter

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  49. you are seriously underextimating the urge a “good girl” has to piss off her parents

    I would prefer to avoid being used as a bargaining chip. Being used isn’t worth a cheap orgasm.

    Look like a middle class Black guy, no threat perception.

    So why do I get dirty looks when I’m in business casual attire?

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  50. The only song I will do the Karaoke thing with is “Stagger Lee” from Nick Cave’s Murder Ballads.

    Primarily for the look of horror on everyone’s face.

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  51. CN:

    Born and raised in Zambia, central africa. Came down for college and decided to stick around when I got done.

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  52. I’m not sure I agree that there is no difference in criminal behavior between middle class blacks and middle class whites. matter of fact, I believe I read somewhere that high school educated whites and college educated blacks have the same crime rate.

    sqits – do you live in the south?

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  53. Jack:

    Nah. I’m a stone’s throw from Mt. Rushmore.

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  54. 43 Chic:

    tupac:that’s like spitting in someone’s* food.

    Hey, I never said *I* would do anything so reprehensible.

    But it would be hilarious if Christopher Tracy did. 😉

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  55. On another note, for all those who recall my hipster chick story:

    Tonight I found out through the grapevine (my sister) that during Hipster Chick’s last European trip, she ended up banging one of her wealthy former employers — who was at the time dating one of the girls in Hipster Chick’s social circle.

    Now everyone in that social circle has shunned her as a gold-digging slut (the guy is in his fifties apparently).

    *sigh*

    Women: You can’t live with ’em, you can’t cut their bodies up into little pieces and stuff ’em in garbage bags to be transported in the trunk of your car and disposed of in a desolate… wait what?

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  56. Jack, you can be middle class with just a HS education. “Joe the Plumber” would qualify as middle class.

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  57. on October 18, 2008 at 1:10 pm Velvetgunther

    Not applicable in this case, but if you’re a chick, “I’ll stand by you” by The Pretenders is a great karaoke song

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  58. I sense some bitterness in TC.

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  59. squits:

    Not at all. I’m actually *reassured* now that whatever uncertainty I had about her virtue has been resolved.

    I still can’t help but shake my head in disbelief at them wacky broads, though.

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  60. TC:

    I hear you. Last time one of them did that to me I was wrecked bitter and damn near gave up on poon. Then it hit me. I don’t have to play by society’s version of how things should be. I took control. I will make my own rules. Others abide or stay the fuck out of my way. Life has never been better. I take what I want and don’t make excuses.

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  61. AMEN

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  62. “I’m the guy in e-mail number 4 and my friends are now seeing eachother. Only now, my chick friend feels guilty and is willing to go halfsies on an escort for me instead of giving me her fuckbox, psshh”

    always insist on “down payment”

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  63. “I’m the guy in e-mail number 4 and my friends are now seeing eachother. Only now, my chick friend feels guilty and is willing to go halfsies on an escort for me instead of giving me her fuckbox, psshh”

    always insist on “down payment”

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  64. “Gay men have the same sexual attraction mechanism as straight men, except that it is oriented to the same sex. This means gays value youth and beauty in other men.”

    Yeah, and in support of this idea, gay men are the most promiscuous of all creatures — I had a gay coworker in NYC and the dude came in every Monday morning saying he’d sleep with several men that weekend. I don’t think he was an untypical gay guy either. The guy was always happy, so the girls in the office asked him: “Why are you always so happy?” His response: “Wouldn’t you be happy if you were getting laid every day by someone new?”

    Basically, gays sleep around to an extreme amount because there is no girl to be the gatekeeper, to put the brakes on, and make the guy commit to her, give her gifts, take her out to dinner, etc, before having sex. The gay attitude is: “I think you’re hot and you think I’m hot — so ok, let’s go fuck right now.”

    If women were like men in this regard, every man would have 1000 sexual partners. The gay guy has the typical man’s sex drive except he likes other men.

    “Gays are basically women who don’t lie to themselves that it’s what’s on the inside that counts.”

    Man, you are so right Roissy. It always makes me laugh when I hear women complain that the men with the best bodies, best sense of style, the best looking are gay. No kidding, idiots! Of course they are — they have to survive the male sexual attraction game when they know the only way to outcompete other men is by being the most youthful, most fit, most stylish, etc… in short, the most beautiful. They have few other recourses like a straight guy to attract women. That gay guy in NYC was so stressed out about his body. Everyday, he’d walk around the office telling people, “Oh my god, I think my waist is now up to 29 instead of 28… this is terrible!! How am I going to get laid this weekend?!?!”

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  65. Oh man, don’t even get me started on the politically correct crap we get fed about gay men all over the place. Especially this myth that gay male relationships are simply male-on-male versions of hetero relationships. Numerous studies show gay men typically have hundreds of sex partners. A well-known Bell/Weinberg study showed 74 percent of gay men reporting more than 100 partners, 41 percent more than 500 partners, and 28 percent more than 1,000.

    What I don’t understand though is their recent obsession with getting married. Growing up, I remember how they thought marriage was lame, they had the perfect “out” built in. I’m convinced much of their obsession with getting married has to do with just being angry about being told they can’t. Tell someone they can’t have something, the more they want it and think it must be worth having. Little do they realize that many straight guys WISH there was a law forbidding them from getting married. 😀

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  66. on October 18, 2008 at 6:52 pm ironrailsironweights

    What I don’t understand though is their [gay men’s] recent obsession with getting married.

    As I understand it, most same-sex marriages and domestic partnerships involve lesbians.

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  67. 55 – she ended up banging one of her wealthy former employers — who was at the time dating one of the girls in Hipster Chick’s social circle.

    Classic.

    http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/nature-and-reality/the-truth-about-women.html

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  68. Karaoke — something fast-paced by the early Ramones. Great energy, no vocal talent required, and it’ll be over before you know it.

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  69. 67 Czar:

    Classic.

    Actually, all is not lost with this chick. When she was in Europe I pinged her online profile with some C/F comment and she pinged back making it VERY clear that her door was still open. But judging from the way she acted after her meltdown (playing hard-to-get games, like she was reading out of “The Rules”), I’m sure it would be more of the same. And since I know how that game is played, it would probably end in a stalemate.

    I’ve been in that situation before: a girl I’m banging thinking she is betaizing me while I continue on plowing her pussy as she deludes herself into thinking she can tie me down. But in this case, the bitch is too volatile to take that chance with. I’m thinking I might make her a pivot (she knows a fair number of people in the artsy fartsy scene here). OTOH, there’s always the chance she’d cockblock once we were out and I start spitting game at someone.

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  70. T:
    There are lots of problems with the Bell/Weinberg study. See here:
    http://volokh.com/2003_05_11_volokh_archive.html#200301162

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  71. As a girl who hates karaoke, I would take notice of a man singing Hot for Teacher, any Talking Heads (Take me to the River is my favorite song), Meatloaf, or any of the raunchier ZZ Top. You’ve got swagger to borrow from on these, but you’ve got to commit. If you can commit, go for it!

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  72. Thursday, thanks, checking it out now.

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  73. Interesting WSJ article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122359379658821047.html

    Lots of ugly stats on the life of a provider beta. Unfortunately this appears to be yet another case where the left/feminist view and the right/traditionalist view end up agreeing that women should hold all the power in marriage.

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  74. 67 Czar: a number of things about that article strike me as fishy to the point of my questioning its authenticity. Some things that set off my BS detector:

    – Written by “unknown”, who is apparently a “sexual god” and yet doesn’t seem interested in revealing his identity so that he can sell expensive workshops, etc.

    – Hyperbolic, unqualified claims of success: 80% pickup rates, sex in your car within 30 minutes of meeting in a grocery store, guaranteed sex on the first date: apparently, no matter what her relationship status is or what her personality is. Or, “once my skills got good, I could fuck just about anyone’s wife or girlfriend.” Or, “If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star.” These are truly astounding claims if truthful. Other, less questionable-sounding Game materials I’ve read have frequently cautioned against expecting any such extreme levels of success even if you become a master. For example, I hear stats more like getting a number on 1 in 10 approaches if you are a newbie and 1 in 2 or 3 if you are an expert. Even with the best game, some fraction of women are just going to completely ignore you, so you don’t even get a real chance to open.

    – Internally inconsistent claims of success. He can pick up that reliably, and he’s been doing this for 10 years, yet he’s only had 200-ish women? If he fucks 1 girl per week, which would be beyond trivial given those earlier claims, that would take just 4 years.

    There’s plenty of truth in what the article says, but it strikes me as something that someone wrote up in jest.

    Also, to the extent that this article is true, it’s pretty depressing.

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  75. Btw, for all you “alpha is a leader of men, not a bedder of women” believers, read this man’s email closely. His cousin has a great job and lots of money and was always looked up to because he is “really funny and incredibly smart”. Those are alpha traits that other men admire, but because of his lackluster skills with women, the emailer is getting to the point that he doesn’t even want to go out with him anymore. This is because the one thing men admire MOST in other men is their expertise at meeting and fucking women. The evidence is in the envy.

    -Roissy

    The envy you speak of is a dangerous thing to cultivate (which is kind of the point).

    That said, if hustling ass were the standard for male leadership, pimps would have a natural advantage in politics. Perhaps they do in contemporary America, but that hardly speaks well for the quality of our society.

    Some of the guys I love the most are inveterate players, and I’d never hold it against them, but I see it as more of a weakness than a virtue. I’ve seen them go through severe pain when they actually do fall in love with a woman and are inevitably betrayed or left due to their inability to play the part required for a stable relationship. I have a bit of the same problem myself, so I’m hardly qualified to criticize them, but I’ve grown so cynical about the “game” that I seriously consider dropping out of it entirely from time to time. But then I see a nice figure, and… Damn, we men are fools.

    And here you are, Roissy, prodding us on toward more and more of the same. It is no more than slavery to the almighty womb. Gynophilia to the extreme. If the men in my family are any indication, it ends only with death.

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  76. 74 – BS or not, the basic message is:

    Looking for virtue in a girl = Madonna/Whore Syndrome

    And it’s only depressing if you can’t get past it.

    I am with you on each single one of the specific points you raised – still, I’d say the BS to truth ratio in the article I posted is about 1:9.

    And Roissy be my witness – there are guys in DC who have a 100% same night sex rate. Yeah, I know we are spoiled with a ridiculous single female:male ratio.

    Just to rub it in – here’s is a related article that reflects my own experiences better than anything else I have read in yeras:

    http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/nature-and-reality/secret-society.html

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  77. 76 Czar:

    Looking for virtue in a girl = Madonna/Whore Syndrome

    And it’s only depressing if you can’t get past it.

    Depressing not in the sense that I won’t personally find a “virtuous” girl (I’ll take casual sex over “virtue”, whatever “virtue” means), but depressing in the sense that: this is a fucked up society that allows such a situation to exist.

    Either we take monogamy seriously or we don’t. If we don’t take it seriously, we should cut out the fucked up propaganda about how great it is. If we do take it seriously, we should judge adulterers as scumbags, and their out-of-wedlock partners as accomplices.

    Instead, we have a society that talks the talk about how monogamy is important, blah blah blah, and then simply sweeps all the cheating under the rug. The hypocrisy is pretty astounding.

    A guy who knowingly sleeps with other guys’ wives is a pretty low character as far as I am concerned. If it’s unknowing, I can forgive it, but once he finds out, he should cut it out. If he keeps it up, he’s simply an asshole. If a married couple is unsatisfied, they should get a divorce or agree to make it an open marriage, not cheat.

    there are guys in DC who have a 100% same night sex rate

    Well, you can always turn down every girl who *won’t* sleep with you on the same night. It’s easy enough to filter for that: just don’t ask for a number until after you have sex! You’ll never have to worry about phone numbers or dates with girls that won’t put out that way. But it’s not obvious that this is a good strategy overall. If I followed this strategy, I would have a lifetime record of zero phone numbers, because I’ve never had a same night lay.

    I *am* starting to think that I should at least filter for kiss closes. I’m increasingly thinking that a number without at least a kiss close is of zero value. Without some concrete evidence that attraction is present, you’re most likely wasting your time.

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  78. “Just to rub it in – here’s is a related article that reflects my own experiences better than anything else I have read in yeras:”

    I scanned the article so the rest of you wouldn’t have to, and here’s the summary: there’s some secret society which gives you everything you could ever want, and you signal your membership in the secret society through typos and poor editing.

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  79. Chicks in the sticks have little firsthand experience with game. They will melt under your onslaught.

    And quite possibly be fucked up forever more.

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  80. 78 Keith:

    I scanned the article so the rest of you wouldn’t have to, and here’s the summary: there’s some secret society which gives you everything you could ever want, and you signal your membership in the secret society through typos and poor editing.

    If you’re not just being a troll (and a bad one at that), you’ve missed the gist of that article.

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  81. 75 Welmer:

    If the men in my family are any indication, it ends only with death.

    Yes, but…what doesn’t?

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  82. 76 Czar:

    Looking for virtue in a girl = Madonna/Whore Syndrome

    I think this whole notion of the M/W complex being a Freudian neuroticism is way overblown in the community. I believe this happened because the guys were trying to correct the delusional belief that women were above their animal natures. They had good intentions but they overcompensated.

    The fact is women exist on a continuum with regard to their capacity for self-restraint. As The Treatise of Love explains, some women are more “primitive” in the way they conduct themselves in the mating dance, even if they are highly intelligent and cultured in other ways. If such women were the majority we would have the Hobbesian war-against-all society Whiskey speaks about. But a healthy family unit (and by extension, a healthy society) requires some civility from its women in order to exist. I don’t think it’s a mark of delusion for men to discriminate for women who are more suitable for marriage in this way. Look at Don Draper in Mad Men: he has a perfectly virtuous stay-at-home wife, but he still cheats. I doubt he does so because he’s under some M/W complex.

    From another angle, there is also the fact that women vary in their biology with regard to their libidos. Often, women who are extraordinarily composed simply have lower sex drives. In fact, such a low drive is what *enables* them to be as collected as they are. Unfortunately for her husband, he will not be seeing as much nookie as he’d like, so he may cheat with women who are more sensual and unrestrained. There is a reason why the best fucks are often the most unstable and unreliable women.

    So yes, there does exist a real facet of life that accounts for why some men distinguish between the two types of women.

    There is always a price to pay.

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  83. 60 squits

    I hear you. Last time one of them did that to me I was wrecked bitter and damn near gave up on poon. Then it hit me. I don’t have to play by society’s version of how things should be. I took control. I will make my own rules. Others abide or stay the fuck out of my way. Life has never been better. I take what I want and don’t make excuses.

    Rest assured that women are doing exactly the same thing. Makes it easier to figure them out.

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  84. he has a perfectly virtuous stay-at-home wife, but he still cheats

    Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of marriage?

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  85. 77 zorgon

    Instead, we have a society that talks the talk about how monogamy is important, blah blah blah, and then simply sweeps all the cheating under the rug. The hypocrisy is pretty astounding.

    Well, this isn’t new. In fact, before reliable birth control, the system kind of “worked.” And maybe, after most of the men with no interest in children weed themselves out of the gene pool, it might start to work again. We’re just in an unpleasant transitional state that cannot go on forever.

    (Alas, it will go on long enough to screw with my life…)

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  86. 82 – … guys were trying to correct the delusional belief that women were above their animal natures.

    Most men are betas. They are happy if they get laid. They dream of having a girlfriend and do anything for their S.O. in a relationship.

    They don’t cheat. They stick to the rules.

    For these men opportunities are rare. It would be hard for them to cheat.

    But, more importantly – they have been raised to be betas: They believe in what society preaches. They believe that men are pigs and that “hormones” need to be controlled. They control themselves using male rational logic.

    The world looks very different for an attractive woman (UGs and fatties are like betas, really).

    These females have not been raised being brain washed about their lower instincts and how they need to be controlled.

    They were spoiled by men since childhood just for their beauty. And they learned from the bad boys they’re drawn to that sticking to the rules is not always the best strategy.

    And male rational logic can get in deep conflict with the depth and strength of powerful female emotions. In the presence of an alpha desire can get overwhelming. Some women even leave their children for Mr. BigDick.

    Women of this kind also have learned that they fare best by being discreet about their sexuality. Men brag and exaggerate about sexual exploits. Women have sexual encounters “that don’t count”. They are experts at hiding sexual activity (there may even be a genetic component to that given the drastic consequences of primate males finding out that their offspring are not theirs).

    Hence cheating is not just “human nature”. It is easier for women to cheat since they have more opportunities. And while men get socialized to suppress their urges, women learn discretion. Female promiscuity/infidelity is therefore likely to happen more often – and the STD stats speak for themselves.

    Interestingly, female infidelity is also more devastating to the partner (given paternity fraud and the psychological consequences of Adam’s Dilemma). Women are typically completely unsentimental about that fact.

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  87. Czar, something that I’m confused about:

    [Betas] believe that men are pigs and that “hormones” need to be controlled. They control themselves using male rational logic.

    It took me a long while, but I think I’ve finally removed this programming from my brain. I am totally cool now with the idea that not only do I want casual sex (I always did), but that it’s OK for me to want it, and even to say so rather than keep it a secret.

    Further, I’ve been noticing from experience that increased directness seems to pay off for me. Every time in my life I’ve pretended to not be sexually interested in a girl when I really am, that tends to end poorly. When I do later telegraph my intent, I get shot down. On the other hand, the faster I escalate to kino or a kiss, the better things seem to go. I may get shot down, but I’m not wasting my time or money on women who are not attracted to me.

    Yet all this seems to contradict the advice in the two articles you linked to, as well as the basic premises of Mystery Method: that in order to get her interested, you first have to pretend that you’re disinterested (even though you really are interested).

    One of those articles even specifically said that men who use aggressive behavior to try to make her horny don’t get anywhere. While the goal of my behavior is not to get her horny, again, I’m finding the opposite to be true: aggressive behavior seems to get better results. It seems to signal “I’m a man, I know what I want, and I’m going to get it!” And isn’t that basically an alpha attitude?

    Of course there are limits to this, and it’s almost certainly good to back off every so often and to be ready and willing move on to the next girl, but I just can’t reconcile the “indirect” advice so many Game sources seem to recommend with my actual experience. On average, with some caveats, the more (sexual, not platonic) interest I signal, and the more quickly I signal it, the further I seem to get.

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  88. on October 19, 2008 at 9:40 pm Yung B-low Hard

    ‘The general consensus of sociologists is that, whereas a woman’s marital satisfaction is dependent on a combination of economic, emotional and psychological realities, a man’s marital satisfaction is most determined by one factor: how happy his wife is. When she is happy, he is. Working within this framework, most husbands are unwilling to dig in their heels on any issue unless they have a tremendous incentive to do so.’-WSJ Article

    …So basically, successful marriages for a man involves abdication of autonomy. How enticing!

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  89. 84 David Alexander:

    Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of marriage?

    Only if you think the purpose of marriage is anything other than raising healthy children.

    If you don’t want kids, there is no point in getting married.

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  90. 86 Czar:

    Your comment didn’t really address my point, but it was illuminating and edifying as usual.

    Tell me, do you think Clio would cheat on me?

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  91. 88 Yung B-low Hard:

    So basically, successful marriages for a man involves abdication of autonomy. How enticing!

    Only if you’re a beta.

    It is what you make of it.

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  92. 87 – Zorgon:

    Great point.

    I believe the key is that there are several ways to bed women.

    Her being emotional works. Women love to fuck after a funeral or a wedding. Chick flicks work, too. Sex and deep feelings are very close for women. A hard orgasm often leads to tears.

    Making her horny works, too – especially if she is in estrus and sees an alpha in you. In this case there is still emotion involved, but it is more “flat” – excitment and naughtyness.

    When it comes to community wisdom:
    Mystery Method is not designed for quick lays. It bypasses the faux inhibitions of females put down in “The Rules” by giving the woman the illusion of the “dating” procedure thought to be required for sex.

    I think it was after Eric/Mystery left the company that Captain Jack and Sinn developed SNL game. It is much more aggressive, sexual and direct. It is very similar to GM game and Gunwitch method. Unsurprisingly it needs a lot more outer game and the hit rate is also much lower.

    I also believe that you need to have quite a bit of unconscious competence to get to that level.

    What I want to say with that is that you might not be aware of how much you actually push-pull and stir emotions other than horniness in the women you pull.

    Direct works only if paired with zero neediness. The “willingness to walk away” and “active disinterest” used by PUAs or the “flipping the script” of pimps achieve just that.

    I see a lot of guys get really far at bars and then walk home alone. Women love to make out and then dump the guy. By letting her pursue you a little, this won’t happen. I guess that is what the guys in my links are trying to say.

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  93. 90 – Tupac: I know I haven’t really addressed your point. But that’s because I agree as usual. Given my scientific background, I cannot take much of Freud’s ideas seriously.

    I use M/W complex in a similar manner as people like Soporno or Joseph W South do. For me it represents the societal repression of female sexuality and the beta believe in women who are to pure/nice/sweet to fuck in the ass.

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  94. Czar –

    Just curious, why do you not take Freud’s ideas seriously? Do you not believe in a subconscious mind versus a conscious mind? Or the idea of repression? I think people who say they don’t believe in Freud are people who are only focusing on his theories that have not become ubiquitous and accepted. Any time someone talks about someone being “repressed” or someone doing something “unconsciously,” we’re pretty much talking about a Freudian concept.

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  95. Actually, rereading comment 93, I just noticed you DID use the word “repressed.” In the same paragraph you claimed not to take Freud’s ideas seriously.

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  96. 94 – Touche.

    I should have been more precise in my language. I do believe in unconscious cognition. So it’s not like I totally disagree with Freud’s theories.

    However, by “repressed sexuality” I did not intend to refer to the psychoanlytical concept. Women are consciously repressing sexuality by being dishonest about how much they think about it on a daily basis, lying about the number of sex partners they had and so on.

    It’s off topic, but here is some good summary of the issues I have problems with (I am a neuroscientist by training):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis#Scientific_criticism

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  97. If you don’t want kids, there is no point in getting married.

    -Tupac Chopra

    Be careful what you advise. Marriage is not necessary for children, and may in fact put the man at a disadvantage.

    Perhaps it should be this: If you don’t want kids, there is no point in cohabitation.

    If a man has his own life and wants to keep it, his best bet is to keep his affairs legally under his own authority, and extend the favor of allowing his girlfriend to live with him if she will bear his children. The reason it is important for the expectant and new mother to live with the child’s father is the ultimate custodial status. If a man lives with and helps care for his children, regardless of marital status, he has a fighting chance for primary custody, and unless he is totally inept he will get joint custody.

    These days, custody is not determined by marital status. In fact, marital status has very little meaning and is often a tax liability. Marriage as it exists today is a big scam that a lot of people are cashing in on to the detriment of the majority of married people, men in particular.

    My advice to men who want children would be to have the woman prove she is worth marrying by bearing children and behaving as a wife should. He may marry the woman if he wishes after she has fulfilled these obligations, but not before. If she fails (cheats, can’t handle motherhood, bitches and moans constantly, etc.), kick her out of the house and keep as much custody of the children as possible.

    Perhaps the most painful aspect of divorce for men is the loss of their children, and the working, married man who owns a house can easily be removed from his home – and by extension his children – by the court. However, if the man is not married, the girlfriend has no legal right to seize his house, which deprives her of a huge advantage in custody disputes. This is why marriage is a bad idea even if you want or have children.

    This contemporary paradigm of sexual politics is what has given birth to the Roissy school of thought, which, although brilliant, is in my opinion only suitable as a stopgap until we can figure out a better method of handling reproduction and childrearing.

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  98. Only if you think the purpose of marriage is anything other than raising healthy children.

    You mean it’s not about companionship and love? 🙂

    Maybe this is my omega-male viewpoint of the world, but I’ve always felt that if one cannot be satisfied by a wife within a marriage, then the solution is not to cheat on her, but simply divorce her and establish sexual relationships with other women, or just not enter marriage at all and refrain from having children.

    Tell me, do you think Clio would cheat on me?

    If your case, I would hope so. 😛

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  99. 97 Welmer:

    You make some excellent — if a bit idealistic — points. I agree with you in principle but I don’t think women will soon cotton to the idea of acting like chattel to their men:

    My advice to men who want children would be to have the woman prove she is worth marrying by bearing children and behaving as a wife should.

    Good luck with that. Isn’t there a danger for further societal decay when a woman can easily abandon her children in favor of Mr. BigDick?

    Sometimes compromises have to be made. You need to throw ’em a bone or two every now and then 😉

    (this is said with full endorsement of your suggestion that a man retain full authority over his property and affairs)

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  100. 92 Czar

    Mystery Method is not designed for quick lays. It bypasses the faux inhibitions of females put down in “The Rules” by giving the woman the illusion of the “dating” procedure thought to be required for sex.

    That’s all well and good, but does it actually lead to lifelong relationships? It’s pretty telling when even Neil Strauss can’t get a LTR to work (and it’s not really an excuse that “she left him for Robbie Williams“; as far as I’m concerned, it’s a bug, not a feature, to be forced to live in a world so status-obsessed that such a thing is likely to happen within a few months).

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  101. Czar:

    Women love to fuck after a funeral or a wedding.

    I’d never heard the funeral half of that. That’s… weird. So it doesn’t even matter what the emotions are? Just that she’s overwhelmed with them?

    Clearly, I’ve never seen a woman “properly” emotionally fired up.

    I also believe that you need to have quite a bit of unconscious competence to get to that level.

    …which I doubt I have. I fully believe that my innate level of social competence was in the bottom 1 or 2 percentile. (Asperger’s) Everything social I do takes effort. Even interacting with guys did not come naturally to me.

    Yet direct still seems to work better than indirect. (Not that either one works super great for me, when you get down to the actual numbers. My actual numbers are still… well, poor. But I can still see a difference in the effectiveness.)

    you might not be aware of how much you actually push-pull and stir emotions other than horniness in the women you pull

    So even though I’m not explicitly trying to do so, I might be working up her emotions?

    Again, remember that I’m naturally a social retard. Unless I have specifically learned how to pick up a social cue, I don’t pick it up. And I’ve always been pretty oblivious and indifferent to other people’s emotions. In Meyers-Briggs speak, I’m 100% T, 0% F. (last I took it, I was ISTJ, all of them by wide margins)

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  102. DoJ:

    does it actually lead to lifelong relationships?

    No approach is going to guarantee you success in lifelong relationships. That’s simply not possible. Too much of it is beyond your control.

    As far as I’m concerned, the important thing is that Game increases your probability of success in lifelong relationships: by giving you more options to choose from, your chance of finding someone compatible is greater.

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  103. 101 zorgon

    No approach is going to guarantee you success in lifelong relationships. That’s simply not possible. Too much of it is beyond your control.

    As far as I’m concerned, the important thing is that Game increases your probability of success in lifelong relationships: by giving you more options to choose from, your chance of finding someone compatible is greater.

    Fair enough. I was getting the impression that Game, as usually practiced, disproportionately filters out much of the best LTR material, though. Thursday notes that pick-up techniques have been “almost spectacularly useless” for him in dealing with nerd girls; this is a problem, given that nerd girls are my preferred type.

    But I managed to spend much of the last year scaring away a nerd girl, so obviously there’s some Game I need to learn no matter what.

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  104. DoJ:

    Game, as usually practiced, disproportionately filters out much of the best LTR material

    For what some folks are looking for, that may be true.

    Right now, my theory is that I don’t know enough about women to really know what I want in an LTR anyway. I know a little bit about what I don’t want: I’ve had exactly one serious LTR, and it was a spectacular failure in the end. To figure out what I *do* want, first I need to try a bunch of STR’s and see where they go.

    It would be oh-so-helpful if I had started the process of figuring out what I want a number of years back, say, when I was in college, but oh well. I’ve really only been in the dating pool for about 4 years now at age 26, and only in the last 2 months have I finally made a serious commitment to myself that this is a part of my life that I *NEED* to prioritize fixing.

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  105. DoJ:

    Game, as usually practiced, disproportionately filters out much of the best LTR material

    For what some folks are looking for, that may be true.

    Right now, my theory is that I don’t know enough about women to really know what I want in an LTR anyway. I know a little bit about what I don’t want: I’ve had exactly one serious LTR, and it was a spectacular failure in the end. To figure out what I *do* want, first I need to try a bunch of STR’s and see where they go.

    It would be oh-so-helpful if I had started the process of figuring out what I want a number of years back, say, when I was in college, but oh well. I’ve really only been in the dating pool for about 4 years now at age 26, and only in the last 2 months have I finally made a serious commitment to myself that this is a part of my life that I *NEED* to prioritize fixing.

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  106. 100 DoJ:

    and it’s not really an excuse that “she left him for Robbie Williams“; as far as I’m concerned, it’s a bug, not a feature, to be forced to live in a world so status-obsessed that such a thing is likely to happen within a few months

    I wouldn’t sweat Neil all that much. That girl was an attention whore through and through. They’re not all like that.

    Well, not as much…

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  107. 101 zorgon:

    I’d never heard the funeral half of that. That’s… weird. So it doesn’t even matter what the emotions are? Just that she’s overwhelmed with them?

    Yes. I see you are still not acquainted with the bizarro world of female psychology.

    For women, romance is like a rollercoaster ride: the dips are as much fun as the climbs.

    Even when they say otherwise.

    The worst thing you can be to a woman is boring.

    Since you’re a nerd, allow me to clarify: “being interesting” in this context is not about the mind, it’s about the heart.

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  108. 98 David Alexander:

    You mean it’s not about companionship and love?

    Only now, at the end, do you understand.

    Maybe this is my omega-male viewpoint of the world, but I’ve always felt that if one cannot be satisfied by a wife within a marriage, then the solution is not to cheat on her, but simply divorce her and establish sexual relationships with other women, or just not enter marriage at all and refrain from having children.

    Well that’s just it. What if you DO want children? Then you would do better to have a conventional family environment. The only question left is what to do if your wife stops performing her wifely duties? I leave that as an excercise for the reader.

    Tell me, do you think Clio would cheat on me?

    If your case, I would hope so.

    Well, crying on the shoulders of omega males as a respite from her inability to betaize me doesn’t count as cheating in my book. That just leaves more time for me.

    Who am I kidding. Clio would probably end up cheating on me with that silver-tongued Patrick guy. He’s smrt.

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  109. tupacchopra:

    I see you are still not acquainted with the bizarro world of female psychology.

    Yes, it’s really quite alien to me. It may also help to understand that I’ve never had a real female friend (only female acquaintances) or connected on a deep level (either intellectual or emotional) with a woman, and additionally I’m one of three brothers. Very few women share my intellectual interests, and the world of emotions *in general* remains mysterious to me.

    There are plenty of guys, on the other hand, who I can and do have deep intellectual conversations with.

    I suspect that my chances of finding a compatible LTR partner are not very high. The LTR I did have was with someone I wasn’t compatible with, and I should have known better than to get myself involved in that fuckup. I guess I was just desperate enough that I’d go along with anything.

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  110. 100-106: does [Game] actually lead to lifelong relationships?
    Why not? It is nothing but a set of tools to become (more) attractive to girls. It’s the first step. It is hard for me to see how you could get a happy relationship without being attractive to females in the first place?

    When I compare my pre-game LTRs with after, I can say with confidence that your chances of lifelong happiness with a woman increases exponentially with basic community knowledge.

    Note that the community is far more than Mystery Method. MM stops at the lay. Other have picked up on that and teach sex skills, relationship management and basic female psychology. This knowledge is crucial for understanding and satisfying your GF in ways most guys can’t. A prerequisite if you want her to stay.

    Game, as usually practiced, disproportionately filters out much of the best LTR material / nerd girls
    That’s just not true. Dorks and nerds are my favorite, too. As long as they are female, they will respond to attraction switches and comfort. If anything it is easier with them because they haven’t been exposed as much to game as party girls. Just be reasonable and adapt your style. DHVs about dating strippers won’t work, but the basic algorithms of seduction won’t fail.

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  111. Yung — Wise married men always have given women their way in all but the most important things. Read any Jane Austen novel, particularly Pride and Prejudice. Lizzy’s father indulges his rather nutty wife and daughters because well, he doesn’t sweat the small stuff.

    This has ALWAYS been the character of Western marriages, and one of the main beefs Muslim writers back to the 1600’s have had with the Western way of life — the autonomy and good treatment of women. It is my opinion wise, given that the small stuff is relatively unimportant, and presumably one’s wife is intelligent also (part of the reason one married her in the first place).

    Weimer — we have achieved an alternative route to bearing and raising children. It is called single motherhood. About 41% of Whites births in the US, and 70% of Black births are illegitimate. In the UK, it is about 55%. This is clearly our future, it won’t change any time soon. If women can at all afford it, they clearly prefer to chase bad boys, have a kid or three by (one, two, or three bad boy partners) and live life on their own. Women deeply desire this — it’s total freedom unrestricted by anything.

    That there is no role for most men in this equation is of no matter for the moment — though long term it is a disaster. However, there will be little to change it.

    DOJ — yes my thoughts exactly. Status obsession means that most women can and do pursue the biggest Big Man around, with abandon, until their attractiveness can no longer land them the Big Man. Then, they either “settle” for some beta guy who knows and resents he is the “last choice” leading to an unhappy marriage followed by divorce, or they live alone as is increasingly the case.

    This is the result of total freedom for women, unconstrained by social institutions and in urban anonymity (such behavior was rare in stable, relative-friend filled neighborhoods).

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  112. The only question left is what to do if your wife stops performing her wifely duties?

    One has two options:

    1) To divorce your wife and deal with the various issues that comes with that scenario.

    2) Stay married and deal with the lack of sex and possibly turn to masturbation with pornography as an aid.

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  113. Be careful what you advise. Marriage is not necessary for children, and may in fact put the man at a disadvantage.

    Marriage is not necessary for children but children benefit greatly from it.

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  114. Tupac 109: Clio would probably end up cheating on me with that silver-tongued Patrick guy. He’s smrt.

    Hey! That’s silver-haired Patrick guy to you!

    You’re right about the smrt though. I amm inndedd!

    My motto is very very simple, and I apply it with rigour to every aspect of my life:

    THIMK

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  115. Especially in my expert use of HTML tags.

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