Open This Set

You see this six set across the room and start to walk toward them.

Let’s say you’re walking over right after they mugged for the club photographer, plastering themselves with phony smiles. How do you approach? Who do you address first? What do you say? What energy level do you bring?

You will have to observe a few things in the split seconds before you decide on your strategy. (In big all-girl sets, the best strategy is usually a formulation of divide and conquer. You want to isolate the hottest chick — your target —  and neutralize her ability to influence the entire group.) Notice their body language. Whose hands are draped over whose shoulders? Who’s laughing the loudest? Who’s dressed the sluttiest? Who’s holding an empty beer bottle? Who’s wearing black fingernail polish? Who looks like she is taken? Who’s the mother hen?

Go.

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Bonus:

You’re standing by the bar in the above picture, at the event horizon of an attention whore black hole. You’ve an avid reader of the Chateau so you have a solid understanding of female psychology. What do you do next?

One option would be to backturn and ignore them. This situation is nigh hopeless. I would only turn around to order a beer, curtly saying “Excuse me” as I reached between one of the girl’s legs to grab my drink. Or I might make a big show of looking up the chunky girl’s dress with a huge shit eating grin on my face.





Comments


  1. on October 16, 2008 at 3:53 pm ironrailsironweights

    It’s a difficult decision because most of the girls are at roughly the same level of attractiveness. Perhaps the one second from right might be the easiest of the bunch, as she’s the only non-blonde in the group and might somehow feel “different” and less desirable. One difficulty, which exists only with respect to this picture, is that given the camera angle you can’t see what she’s wearing. Of course that wouldn’t be the case in real life.

    Sluttiest dressed: second from left.
    Most likely to be taken: third from left (orange dress).
    Mother hen: third from right.

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  2. Second from Left – Possible same night lay:
    High Testosterone Leno Chin
    Manly digit ratio (Check out her left hand, on the bottle!)
    Humping her friend’s leg.
    Facial expression, esp. eyes, convey “I want it hard, tonight”
    Comfortable holding her beer in a position so her crotch and torso remain in view.
    Small purse -> won’t get away

    Girl in black shirt is the mother hen, the one in red-orange is taken. The one on the far right is shy, second from right an attention whore.

    Left and left-middle are cuties.

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  3. Whores, all of them. At least the Ukrainian girls in German brothels are sending cash home for grannie’s cataract surgery.

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  4. i’d approach the far left b/c she has the best accessories to make comments about. The brunette is pretty pretty.

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  5. Far left has a boyfriend. Next is a closet lesbian. Middle with the loud dress isn’t the slut, but she wants to be. Mom is in the back, with a watchful eye on the kids. Slut is dark and fucks the camera with her eyes while her much tamer friend stands in front.

    Obviously we want the slut.

    Walk through the group between mom and slut. Once I’ve passed by them, I would turn on a whim and comment on how the sound like they are having fun (they must be loud at this point) but it’s too bad they ruined the picture. I would be pivoting away from slut, and being the slut she would naturally take the bait and ask why. I would turn toward her and ask isn’t it obvious? Your hair. Bad picture Feung Shui. You should have sat this one out. Ask your friends, they know. They probably resent you for all the pictures you’ve ruined over the years by trying to stand out. It’s really kind of pathetic, such obvious attention-whoring in the midst of such obvious attention-whoring! (Looking at the entire group admonishingly). Let’s give it another shot, shall we? You poor persecuted souls can take another picture free from the oppression of this selfish bitch while she buys me a drink.

    You can thank me later. (At slut, as I lead her away by the hand)

    Of course, inflection is key. Be patronising but not sarcastic. You want to be a disarming stranger, not a cocky asshole, as always.

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  6. on October 16, 2008 at 4:19 pm ironrailsironweights

    From left to right:

    Landing Strip.
    Bald Eagle.
    Landing Strip.
    GNP.
    Landing Strip.
    GNP.

    Peter

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  7. I think 2nd from left is definitely a hard, energetic but passionless fuck. You’ll never give it to her hard enough.

    I might just like to believe this as a means to increase my perceived chances with her.

    Orange dress is annoying and has some “perfect” long distance fiance. Mother hen is with her because her virtues must be protected for marriage.

    Far right is the easiest target, though not necessarily the best looking.

    Far left wants a boyfriend.

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  8. Wow, McFadden’s bar in DC sucks. I made a note to never go there next time I am in Dream City.

    Set 1: I would leave the bar, hop in a cab to National, and fly to The Dominican Republic and swoop on girls there.

    If I was out of my mind and attracted to one of the girls in Set 1, I think you need to talk to the tallest one in the black dress. She is the gatekeeper. Be prepared for the most boring night of your whole life.

    If I had to swoop one, I would swoop the red head; if only for style points…since it is an Irish bar. By the way, I never would find myself in an imitation Irish bar….and my dad was born in Ireland.

    Set two: I would leave this bar and fly to South Beach and swoop girls there.

    If I was out of my mind and attracted to one of the girls in Set 2, the best is to ignore these girls that appear to be dancing on tables.

    If dancing girls is what you want:

    1. Go to the closest, best Gentleman’s Club. Exotic Dancers are way better dancers than “Jenny” from Manassas or Orange County or wherever.

    2. Go to a club with real Go-Go dancer and swoop her.

    Leave dancing to the professionals.

    And stay out of fake Irish Bars.

    – MPM

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  9. Trick question.

    You don’t approach them. approaching girls in groups of more than 3 is a waste of time. If they wanted to get laid they wouldn’t hang in wolf packs where the cockblock is 100% guaranteed and the most you get is a number or, if you managed a minute of isolation, a weak make out. like they’ll let you take one of their friends home.

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  10. I know the answer. Never go to McFadden’s. It’s an awful, awful place.

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  11. If that’s what’s considered talent in DC, I think the only correct answers to what to do are:

    1. Move, or
    2. Kill Yourself

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  12. on October 16, 2008 at 5:36 pm Pope Goaz D'Weezil

    Set 1: The vapid is overpowering. I couldn’t deal with it. I like getting laid as much as the next guy, but fuck, a nice steaming cup of shut the fuck up is all I would want to serve that group.

    If there were actually one in the group that interested me, I admit that it would be very difficult for me to approach a group like that solo. Much easier with a wingman or a group. Very unlikely I’d be in a bar for long by myself, so I would need to enlist some help to fight off the bogies.

    Set 2: Several girls there are completely not used to being the center of attention. That would be painful to watch. I would turn around, leave, and go do something more productive with my life.

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  13. Agreed with Manifesto, and Eric: McFadden’s is the suck. Although when ripped, young GW girls can seem tantalizing; but they are pure pump and dump.
    Aaand I agree with Roosh. Six sets will kill you on logistics. It can be done but I’d rather take on something less annoying.

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  14. Walk past and fart right in the middle… then keep moving.

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  15. “Trick question.

    You don’t approach them. approaching girls in groups of more than 3 is a waste of time. If they wanted to get laid they wouldn’t hang in wolf packs where the cockblock is 100% guaranteed and the most you get is a number or, if you managed a minute of isolation, a weak make out. like they’ll let you take one of their friends home.”

    True dat.

    I notice that two of the girls have their protective claws wrapped around the necks of two of the girls as in, “I’m da man, you my bitch! Don’t even think about letting your legs openfor no one.”

    The two being held by their napes are the most likely to put out.

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  16. roosh has got a point about groups over three, but sometimes it’s not about the pickup. sometimes you just want to challenge yourself and see if you can handle this sort of situation. with that in mind i say:

    start with the mother hen. she’s not wearing a ring, so if you’re at all decent looking and can talk a good game it should be fairly easy to get a rapport with her. get her attracted to you and she’ll gladly spill the beans on the rest of the group. once you’ve figured out the dynamic of the group, move on to the queen bee. do everything you can to marginalize her, while being ‘nice’ to the others. the more successful you are, the more she’ll try to push back. most women are too passive-aggressive to challenge the queen bees of the world, but love to see them get knocked down a peg.

    if none of this is working for you, you’ll know and get frozen out fairly quickly. if that happens, remove yourself immediately. don’t hover! if your shit’s on point, however, you’ll start to notice the girls subtly competing for your attention. when that happens you can decide on your best prospect and start thinking about logistics. it’s hard to pull from a group, but not impossible. figure out who’s going where. it may turn out that your target is going somewhere different then the rest of the group. or you can invite her to go somewhere else and hope three or four of them just want to go home. if you’ve got an actual destination, and the girls don’t think you’re creepy, they will leave their friends with you.

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  17. VK – you can fart at will? I am impressed.

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  18. Well, the women on the first picture are too old for my taste. The second picture is much better. I agree with most of the prior comments, approaching a group of more than 3 girls is pretty difficult. If I approach a group of 2 or 3 girls, I usualt try to see if any specific girl is interested in me. Usualy, one of the girls will be more interested than the other ones.

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  19. Easy. I’d send Lemmonex over to Brunette. Lemmy would do the girly-bonding thing for 15 minutes or so while I enjoy my drink. Lemmmy then informs Brunette that Master desires their company for the evening. BAM

    The girls on the bar? Fuck that noise.

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  20. on October 16, 2008 at 6:40 pm Great Challenge

    This is an abysmally difficult situation, but if I had to take a swing at this group, I would go with the fashion angle – in a very effeminate way. May not work with these more wholesome types (they look like red-staters). But I would say to cute redhead with yellow scarf: You know, I want to do a little fashion experiment with you two: I was thinking your scarf would look amazing on her (peach dress). What do you think? Start getting into the group, talking about them and their clothes: lets play dress-up- but all in a gay way. But not too gay. So being queer is the approach. Maybe that gets you in, maybe not. If it does, its just the easy part. You then have the almost insurmountable task of focusing on one of them, explaining to her either that you’re not gay, or that you’re bi or whatever. But I submit that the only way to open this set cold is to go in as a fag, and then try and talk your way out of it, and into one of their apartments. For straight sex. Where you penetrate them, anally or vaginally.

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  21. If that’s what’s considered talent in DC, I think the only correct answers to what to do are:

    1. Move, or
    2. Kill Yourself

    Word.

    Neither of those sets meet my attractiveness threshold for the amount of effort needed to work the set. You would have to make your way around the set with a really good wing to circumvent the almost inevitable cockblock, which is far too much work for a bunch of average looking chicks.

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  22. 9 – If they wanted to get laid they wouldn’t hang in wolf packs

    Game is not about one night stands with drunk girls who went out for a revenge fuck. Betas have this kind of reactive attitude that they only go for what seems easy.

    An alpha guy choses for himself – and goes for it.

    Now, I personally wouldn’t chose any girl in this set, but all I see is an easy lay. Possibly a 3-some.

    You certainly won’t pull while her friends are around. With enough attraction, she will do the logistics for you. Worst case, you get her number and text her after they left the club to come over to your place after her friends have dropped her off.

    Ah, have I fallen for Roissy’s compliance test now?

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  23. on October 16, 2008 at 6:52 pm Turkeybaster115

    “You see this six set across the room and start to walk toward them”

    I wouldn’t! thats the difference between you and me roissy, you are an animal and would fu(k anything. ok, ok, The one on the far right is bearly doable

    “Bonus”

    No thanks roissy, I didn’t like the main course one bit, so I thought I’d skip the dessert!

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  24. the two with hands over the shoulders are hovering/ready to cockblock, the blue one who looks the most drunk, the othe with the red/orange is head honcho. escorting them away/dividing them from the group will be impossible unless you get in with the orange/red dress girl, clearly and physically the center of the group (and figuratively as based on their arrangement and photo placement.

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  25. “these more wholesome types (they look like red-staters)”

    Well put. My bet is Virginia.

    God, I hate Red States. Worthless and broke all in all (with the exception of oil money). And horrid nightlife.

    The only parts i like in Red States are Blue. Miami Beach, New Orleans, etc.

    – MPM

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  26. *waits patiently to hear about der fuehrer’s alpha thursday*

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  27. I never realized men put so much into approaching a woman. I figured most men:

    1. find an attractive woman
    2. check her ring figure
    3. start up a conversation

    If I was a guy I would probably have carpal tunnel syndrome because this is to much work

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  28. The “Mother Hen” doesn’t look like a Mother Hen to me. More like a girl on the outside who wants to BE the Mother Hen. She might try a cockblock because she’s frustrated you won’t pick her, but unless she’s damn aggressive, the other girls won’t pay attention to her opinion.

    She just looks like she’s the odd one out of the group, and uncomfortable with the whole damn situation.

    The ones that might be taken: Bright orange dress, followed in likelihood by the girl in blue with the scarf on the left.

    Second girl on the left looks playful, not really my type, though.

    Second girl from the right looks slutty.

    Girl on the right looks pretty down to earth to me

    Hrm…I would introduce myself to the whole set, negging my target. I wouldn’t build too much rapport with Mother Hen (just enough to keep her from bugging out on the whole set and ruining my night). Neutralizing is going to have to be focused on the girl in the orange dress…I would see if I could try to get her on my side, build rapport there. After that, I would start going after my target.

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  29. 2. check her ring figure

    It’s not the typo – it’s your child-like naivite that cracks me up every time you post, CN.

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  30. *finger*
    Opps

    LOL well Czar I am trying to grow out of my naiveté by reading what the male commenters post. Please help me understand why number 2 makes me naiveté. If there are any other comments I’ve posted that you can think of at the moment, please clue me in on those too.

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  31. on October 16, 2008 at 9:33 pm Large Hadron Collider

    I like the one on the right for whatever reason –
    like in the book “Blink” – don’t know why

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  32. 30 – C’mon, LickLover –

    It’s the very same women who pretend moral outrage about adultery in public, who don’t hesitate a split second to leave their husbands engaged at the bar to go off and blow Mr. Big in the men’s room. Or at the very least slip him a phone number while her loving loser hubby doesn’t pay attention.

    And you’re one of these women because… you are a woman. Così fan tutte!

    You’re in the presence of guys who’ve been there. And yet, you either keep up the public facade of sexual virtue that women love so much, or you really are as ignorant as that weirdo Elizabeth.

    But in her case it’s at least obvious that the (at least major) reason for her dumbness is that her vagina hasn’t been awaken yet. She really is more child than woman.

    In your case it just seems funny.

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  33. I would…I would…sigh, I can’t lie. I would stare at them from a safe distance while holding my beer high and tight to my body. If I caught any of them looking in my general direction I would quickly stare at the ceiling or my feet (positioned together, stiffly). Later that night I would go to sleep with my socks on, then after getting over the initial self-conscious self-loathing, I would take one of the socks off and…

    P.S. Saw a great commercial just now during Pardon the Interuption, for Oberto beef jerky: http://www.eatlikeanalpha.com/

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  34. Chic — it is because women do not approach, and face about 80-90% rejection rates unless the approach is just perfect.

    If you were a guy you’d get it. You’re not, so you never will.

    Guys do this because women are very picky and reject most of them. This is reality. About 90% of guys need game and a game plan to approach women. If nothing else, to manage the 80-90% rejection rate.

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  35. Jesus. No motivation = no effort. The only tolerable one is the dark one. Open with a neg about her shoes, since she’s very fashion-conscious (nail polish matches her top). While she’s flabbergasted and preparing her response, slide around to the back, and start grinding on her probably meaty ass and pulling her hair.

    If she doesn’t like the direct approach, move on to a more worthy target and do it for real.

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  36. @Czar- I like the new name you gave me.

    And you’re one of these women because… you are a woman. Così fan tutte!
    Not at all.

    It’s the very same women who pretend moral outrage about adultery in public
    Actually I don’t. I understand that people are human and some will make this mistake. I just ask that people use condoms and birthcontrol. We don’t need to add to the number of unwanted children in the world. &* respect your spouse enough to protect him/her.

    who don’t hesitate a split second to leave their husbands engaged at the bar to go off and blow Mr. Big in the men’s room
    Actually, your example is one of a very trashy woman. It’s one thing to give a man some p*ssY but something totally different to open the mouth for just anyone. There was a woman on Cheaters & another on the Real World who pulled the same stunt. They were so disgusting that the two kissed their boyfriends in the mouth 2 minutes are doing “that act” with another man.
    I don’t cosign with a man beating the hell out of a woman but if I the boyfriend of either of those two, you would see me on America’s Most Wanted.

    I would just break up with my boyfriend if I wanted to be with someone else.

    Why do you think Elizabeth is weird? I think she is doing the smart thing.

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  37. Oh Czar, I was joking about the hand thing in post 27.

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  38. Chic — it is because women do not approach, and face about 80-90% rejection rates unless the approach is just perfect

    I agree

    Is it the 80-90% rejection that bothers you, or the coldness of some of some women when they turn you down?

    Did you read T’s post about Amsterdam? He said Dutch women were not so cold but then again between the Dutch, a date doesn’t equal sex.

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  39. Is it the 80-90% rejection that bothers you, or the coldness of some of some women when they turn you down?

    Cold rejections are fine with me. I would much rather get a straightforward rejection than be politely strung along into the Friend Zone. I would also much rather a woman decline to give me her number or decline a date than to “politely” accept and then waste my time (and possibly money) by blowing me off later.

    As for the quoted 80-90% rejection rate, I’m not sure what you’re counting as a “rejection” here. Far less than 80-90% of women will immediately blow me off on an approach. If you mean getting at least either a number or a kiss, then, sure.

    I find the most likely outcome from an approach to be an interaction that seems to be going nowhere, so I bail. I think I need to be more aggressive/direct — like I just said, better to be rejected fast than to have my time wasted talking to a woman who has no real interest.

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  40. 36 – I like the new name you gave me.
    You like hearing me calling you names, I know. Enjoy while it lasts.

    you are a woman.
    Not at all.

    Oh yes you are. Your desperate need of harmony and alogical reasoning give away your sex as much as your tendency to babble nonstop.

    It’s one thing to give a man some p*ssY but something totally different to open the mouth for just anyone.
    Oh, the beauty of female logic!

    the two kissed their boyfriends in the mouth 2 minutes are doing “that act” with another man.
    Weird to get wet and feel disgusted at the same time, isn’t it?

    I would just break up with my boyfriend if I wanted to be with someone else.
    No doubt you would leave somebody if you had enough. But getting it from an alpha while the beta sucker who pays your bills doesn’t even have the faintest clue – that’s something entirely different!

    Why do you think Elizabeth is weird? I think she is doing the smart thing.
    Yeah. Very smart to die a virgin.

    Well, you are probably just happy that her backwards logic leaves more desperate men out there for you to lick.

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  41. on October 16, 2008 at 10:29 pm Great Challenge - Bonus Opener

    Tougher than the first. It is hard because the only way to make an impact in any way with these coyote uglies is to involve yourself in their obnoxious display: these girls are perfectly fine without you. And if they’re doing this, other guys are probably moving in as well. In this scenario, you have to steal their thunder in a MAJOR way. What I’d really like to do is something physical and mischevious, like tying their legs together or shooting spitballs at them. But that’s a potential disaster. What I would do here is find a somewhat one near the middle, and tell her: “If one of you starts showing some skin – for REAL – the shot of her choice is on me. Whoever puts on the best strip tease gets a shot for everyone from me.” Or something to break their solidarity, to get them competing with each other, still as attention whores, but instead of maintaining their bartop phalanx, as sluts in battle to see who can be the sluttiest. Then if it works, you never buy the shot and say none of them put on a good show and that I never promised I’d buy shots for everyone. You’ll get all kinds of shit from all of them, it might be a complete disaster, but if you can maintain your poise, whichever one stripped down the most will be the one you’ll be able to fuck.

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  42. Also: women do not approach

    Not true. I’m not saying it’s common, but I definitely get the occasional female approach, and they’re not necessarily warpigs. In fact I just got one last night, resulting in a “near miss” on a same-night lay with zero effort…

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  43. Why do you think Elizabeth is weird? I think she is doing the smart thing.
    Yeah. Very smart to die a virgin.

    If I am not mistaken Elizabeth is waiting for marriage or the right person.

    It’s one thing to give a man some p*ssY but something totally different to open the mouth for just anyone.
    Oh, the beauty of female logic

    Maybe this ^^^is cultural because I know many men who reason this way also.

    I can’t believe you hate/dislike women so much. I’m even open minded in believing that not all men are scum. I think that maybe you suffer from a whore/Madonna complex.

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  44. zorgon

    ah, you must be a nice looking guy.

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  45. 43 – I can’t believe you hate/dislike women so much.
    Nice try.

    I think that maybe you suffer from a whore/Madonna complex.
    Coming from the woman who wrote “your example is one of a very trashy woman”.

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  46. 43 – I can’t believe you hate/dislike women so much.
    Nice try

    Well if you don’t hate women then why do you look down on the entire 3 billion o

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  47. Well if you don’t hate women then why do you look down on [them].
    I like being on top. And they like someone to look up to (not my words).

    You’ve never had a serious long term relationship lasting several years, ClitLick, right?

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  48. ah, you must be a nice looking guy.

    I honestly don’t know. My pictures seem to get pretty good scores on hotornot.com, but I don’t trust those scores because I rate women on there who are 1’s, 2’s, 3’s who supposedly have “6.5” scores. Only the nastiest of the nasty seem to get a score below 5. It’s like their system is rigged to improve your self-esteem.

    Anyway, my philosophy is just to assume that I’m a solid 9 (while in the meantime continuing to work to improve my appearance at the gym and by trying to exhibit at least a bit of a fashion sense). If it’s true, then great. If not, at least I’ll have boosted my confidence and self-esteem by thinking it. My appearance used to be a major roadblock in meeting women (in my pre-Lasik, zero muscle tone, moderately overweight, geeky t-shirt days). I don’t think that’s true any more.

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  49. no

    I am 21.

    zorgon said while in the meantime continuing to work to improve my appearance at the gym and by trying to exhibit at least a bit of a fashion sense).
    Men may me more visual than women but we like someone who makes an effort too. As you mentioned, you’ve noticed a difference in the amount of attention you receive.

    If it’s true, then great. If not, at least I’ll have boosted my confidence and self-esteem by thinking it.

    I believe this works too. I’ve seen some female 3&4 pull nice looking men with this type of thinking. Like T mentioned, women and to an extent men , can sense when someone is not confident

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  50. czar is running game on me?????

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  51. The dark one with her staring eyes and wide phony smile reminds me of this woman pictured here many months ago. She had that same wide-mouthed, white-toothed fixed phony smile, was wielding a beer, was in some kind of weird bent posture (not a sexy one) and had a tiara on…

    Wonder if they’re the same girl? The one months ago was superficially not that bad, but on closer examination, she made the blood run cold. Genuinely repulsive. Hmmmm….

    I’d take the one with the cleavage on the far right, the one next to the dark-haired one. Or the one with the scarf on the left, head thrown back in a fetchingly vulnerable way.

    None of the bar girls. Yuck.

    Mother Hen might be the one people have pointed to…but what about the dark-clad one next to her? Her hand is on Orange’s shoulder, she’s the deep centre of the group, watchful and composed compared to the others. And she’s smiling the least. Therefore, she is the least tense.

    That’s my candidate for Mother Hen. The quiet one.

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  52. You: “You all look really happy that Obama dumped Joe Biden for Hillary Rodham Clinton! I read about it on Roissy’s page first. But I guess it was the only way for Obama to stop the Sarah Palin juggernaut after she delivered the big knockout in the VP debate!”

    Emphasize the first syllable of “Rodham” and “juggernaut” and soon your target will be b’low you.

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  53. 36 – It’s one thing to give a man some p*ssY but something totally different to open the mouth for just anyone.

    Wait a minute. I thought the whole Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinski thing made oral sex “not sex”. Now you’re saying that a woman getting her bean field plowed is ok, but oral sex is a big deal? What gives? At least when a woman is sucking a dick she’s in control and can pull it out when she wants.

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  54. Give them all time to have enough drinks to relax and get a bit drunk.

    Then , pick out the one you like … go over, smile at them , then smile at your target, maybe make some small talk and than tell the group that you want to “borrow” their friend for 10 minutes, and that you shall return her.

    Put out your hand , if she takes it … great.

    If not , nonchalantly walk away.

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  55. @Fabian- I was raised around older people and I guess I am a bit of a prude.

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  56. czar is running game on me?????

    You wish.

    Keep those panties try.

    The reason I asked for your relationship experience is that when it comes to that topic you sound like Elizabeth talking about sex (or Lisa talking about anything for that matter).

    Both of you have zero experience and try arguing with people who have quite a bit of expertise.

    As for your thing with oral sex – pussy is what counts for guys. Another guy in there means sperm competition.

    Women see that differently. They only want alpha sperm so badly that they happily swallow every drop of it. Betas will rarely enjoy that privilege.

    See why you have things upside down?

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  57. czar you are taking this alpha/beta stuff way to seriously.

    Both of you have zero experience and try arguing with people who have quite a bit of expertise

    give me a few years.

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  58. 57 – czar you are taking this alpha/beta stuff way to seriously.

    Why do you say mean things like this? You make me feel bad! 😦

    Seriously, who’s gaming who here?

    FYI, I work with primates. Once you spend significant time with monkeys, one cannot help but see humans in a certain light.

    Listen to this segment – it might save you a few years of learning (scroll down to Part 3: Political Primatologist):
    http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200809/20080908.html

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  59. Hottest by a landslide – blonde on extreme right.

    Cutest, girlfriend matieral – innocent looking redheaded babyfaced girl on extreme left. Probably a brand new intern on the Hill.

    Typical DC slutty “feminist” chick – second from left, trying to corrupt the ingenue/intern on the extreme left.

    Boring conservative girl who definitely has the “perfect” longdistance boyfriend and will probably give birth to a FAS cretinoid kid because she’s drinking and looks 2-3 months preggers right now – middle girl in pink dress.

    Almost sexless mother hen – tall girl with arm around boring conservative girl. Probably a scheduler or senior LA on the Hill…?

    Cute, intellectual, wild-woman, great fun on dates but not gf material – brunette, second from right.

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  60. on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 am ResidentCynic

    How I approach depends on the situation. How many other attractive women are there around? Are these the only attractive women in the bar?

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  61. 58 Czar:

    Thanks for that link. Very concise.

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  62. on October 17, 2008 at 5:37 am sartorial eloquence

    i find myself attracted to “mama hen” in the dark clothing in the middle of the photo. shes looking kinda sexy in those boots

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  63. i prefer groups of 3 or less

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  64. but in the top set of 6, i would look to go for the brunette when she was isolated a bit —

    nice site, saw on WP hot list

    check mine out if you like:

    MegaSizzle.com

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  65. “Who’s holding an empty beer bottle? ”
    I noticed this. Whats the significance?

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  66. on October 17, 2008 at 4:28 pm ironrailsironweights

    i find myself attracted to “mama hen” in the dark clothing in the middle of the photo. shes looking kinda sexy in those boots

    You know, it could be that she’s so busy trying to shield the other girls from the Roissys on the prowl that she’s leaving herself open to being approached by men with strong Game.

    Peter

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  67. Only way I’d even hit this set is with no intention of picking up. Rather just practice.

    I hit a four-set the other day sitting by the bar with reasonable success, but logistics made it impossible to isolate my target. She was in between her friends. I established enough to close next time though.

    I attempted a five-set with the same awkward logistics on my target. I broke this into a two-three and worked on the one. I attempted isolation and got the cock block from hell by the one on the edge. She neg-hit me. I didn’t flinch. She went straight biatch trying to get my attention. Figured this was not worth it and bailed.

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  68. on October 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm sartorial eloquence

    “i find myself attracted to “mama hen” in the dark clothing in the middle of the photo. shes looking kinda sexy in those boots”

    “You know, it could be that she’s so busy trying to shield the other girls from the Roissys on the prowl that she’s leaving herself open to being approached by men with strong Game.”

    Yeah, you guys are forgetting, Mama Hen isnt exactly ugly (although she probably is the only one in this photo over 30). if i was there, the other girls would have to shield HER from ME

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  69. on October 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm Comment_Ordinary_Or_Not

    What’s interesting about this picture is that the two in the center are given a completely unobstructed line to the camera.

    Even the second-on-the-left, who is so aggressive that she is CLIMBING over the far left girl to get more into the picture, doesn’t block Miss Orange Dress at all. The Black Haired Girl also just sticks her head out, unwilling to block the Woman in Black either. And Black-Haired girl has gone to the trouble of matching her nails and her shirt, but no one can see it. But she still doesn’t step out, and there is a wide space between the Woman in Black and the Black-Haired girl.

    Woman in Black sees herself as a protector, and something is going on with Miss Orange Dress. Miss Orange Dress is holding her beer bottle like it is a penis, and is thrusting out her right hip to the camera to the point that her right foot is probably either almost off the floor, or off. She is ready to go, but Woman in Black has her by the throat. Either Miss Orange Dress is high ranking, or this ‘party’ is about her, and something happened in her life very recently. Probably bad. Or good. Who knows.

    It’s a reasonably good bet that the outing is entirely about Miss Orange Dress.

    Getting the girls to talk about Miss Orange Dress in a clever way wouldn’t fight the inertia at all, and you can get them competing to answer your questions. And that’s what they are here for, to talk about Miss Orange Dress, but they’ve all heard it before. Make them handle the logistics, you just have to get them going. I lack the Game skills to figure out exactly how to do this. Woman in Black would be the one I’d be interested in. Provide Guy support for whatever view she has of the situation, without being to blatant. I don’t think she is thirty either, I couldn’t see any wrinkles in her hands at all at 4x, and they tend to go first. If she is thirty, then she is smart, and doesn’t tan, and reasonably age resistant.

    Of course, I couldn’t pull it off, but I do have an order of battle that I believe someone who knows what they were doing could pull off.

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  70. on October 17, 2008 at 7:18 pm sartorial eloquence

    “What’s interesting about this picture is that the two in the center are given a completely unobstructed line to the camera.”

    In other words: it’s easier for the viewer to give them the ‘once-over.’ Whereas with the others, you’re basically guessing what their body type looks like.

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  71. on October 17, 2008 at 7:19 pm sartorial eloquence

    Mother Hen has a nice butt, BTW.

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  72. On the second picture, is it just the camera angle or their heels, or do all those chicks look very tall?

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  73. on October 17, 2008 at 9:35 pm sartorial eloquence

    In that second photo, it looks like all those chicks are dancing on the bar! (a very small bar, because it looks too crowded)

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  74. Chic,

    This is the basic scenario guys face in modern urban life: middling-to-fair chicks with difficult group dynamics, made worse by the deliberate “my friends make my mind up for me” dynamic of middle-class white women in modern America. Most men could deliver an opener that would be ignored, a decent gamer might last 15 minutes, but at some point any effort becomes diminishing returns. If one approach a woman who is on her own, it is because she’s sufficiently ordinary that other women don’t want to use her to lure in alphas, while practically no woman in a group will make it easier for one–they are all after the same 3 guys in that bar, and 99% of approaches will fail.

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  75. Eurosabra, I think you’re putting a little bit of a pessimistic spin on things — it’s not THAT bad — but the herd behavior of women is just shocking. Packs, herds, flocks — animal analogies are the only ones that come to mind when you see a group of 15 sorority girls out for a 21st birthday getting as many free drinks as they can.

    For me, doing stuff by myself is no big deal. Often it’s actually *better* to do activities by myself: I don’t have to worry about coordinating with other people. It’s a rare woman who seems to think that way.

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  76. Zorgon:

    Sometimes the only group dynamic that matters is that the Mother Hen would like the c*ckblocky UG to get laid.

    I get 1 number for every 100 approaches, and EVERY set I open looks like that–sometimes better-looking women, but the group dynamics are never easier. Even in a two-set, it’s Bitch Shield block-block-block. Of course, it’s a bit harder as it’s the real-life version of JDate.

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  77. Zorgonand Eurosabra- I’ve noticed that men have a heard/frat boy mentality too. Many of you worry to much about what your friends think.

    For me, doing stuff by myself is no big deal. Often it’s actually *better* to do activities by myself: I don’t have to worry about coordinating with other people. It’s a rare woman who seems to think that way
    I also do many things by myself such as travel and going to restaurants. It’s one of the reasons why I wear a “fake out” ring.

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  78. Eurosabra:

    I get 1 number for every 100 approaches

    Ouch. At a ratio that low I probably would just give up.

    Still, I have a hard time believing that any guy, regardless of looks, age, *anything* would get a number only 1% of the time. Is there something I’m missing?

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  79. I have a visible physical disability, and I live in one of the pseudo-hippest, wealthiest areas of LA–a fluke, since I’m solidly middle-class but it gentrified around me. So I’m “breaking rapport” with two factors already, looks and disability. (Bear in mind that I can and do wear standard Mystery-style pick-up-wear.) And the wealthy “beautiful people” are always time-constrained. Add to that the fact that I’m mainly doing day game, where there’s no guarantee that the woman is even trying to be approachable, and 1 for 100 is normal. Local bars and pubs, as I said, yield sets like the above.

    It’s pretty trippy but it’s not like I don’t have a skill-set. But she has a pretty high “barrier to entry” that you have to learn to defuse.

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  80. Eurosabra: San Jose was bad enough, I can’t even imagine living in LA. Aside from San Jose, I’ve lived in Minnesota, Boston, and Texas, and the people in San Jose were by far the least normal or friendly. I shudder when I read the comments here about the DC scene. If I am to believe what I read, DC sounds like it’s full of people with a major attitude problem.

    Boston and NYC folks have that stereotype of being discourteous jerks, but my experience was that this was a false surface impression. I found that, beneath a sometimes rough exterior, and aside from that one time I walked through Central Square at night before it became gentrified and thought I was going to get knifed in the back, Bostonians are fun, friendly, worldly people. Or, take a Jersey Italian friend of mine. I wouldn’t want to get on his bad side, but loyal to his friends and family to a fault.

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  81. standard Mystery-style pick-up-wear

    ?

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  82. One of the things that gets elided is that if you approach enough, you will meet women who are ALREADY attracted to you, but this is easiest to do in social circle, where you are already matching social status, possibly ethnicity, and possibly personality types. Getting attraction-rapport-comfort with someone you just met on the street or in a bar is much harder to learn, and the self-blame for not being able to “generate attraction” (as PUA tells you you should) can be pretty intense.

    Part of the drama of “The Pick-Up Artist” is that the first night in the club is always spent with mismatched body language, clothes, and bad approaches, before Mystery gets them to “fit in” enough to avoid appearing like sociopaths. “Likes like each other” sounds like “know your place” to guys who are trying to bust out of the box, but if you’re a cultural outlier (ex. Silicon Valley programmer) you have to learn to transmit “hot chick” cultural cues instead of “programmer” cultural cues.

    I used to ruin sets by being clingy, although I don’t see how being an upbeat person who never gets laid does anything except assure your female acquaintances you won’t murder them, or get them to throw their ugly friend your way when she’s really hard up.

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  83. One of the things that gets elided is that if you approach enough, you will meet women who are ALREADY attracted to you, but this is easiest to do in social circle, where you are already matching social status, possibly ethnicity, and possibly personality types. Getting attraction-rapport-comfort with someone you just met on the street or in a bar is much harder to learn, and the self-blame for not being able to “generate attraction” (as PUA tells you you should) can be pretty intense.

    Part of the drama of “The Pick-Up Artist” is that the first night in the club is always spent with mismatched body language, clothes, and bad approaches, before Mystery gets them to “fit in” enough to avoid appearing like sociopaths. “Likes like each other” sounds like “know your place” to guys who are trying to bust out of the box, but if you’re a cultural outlier (ex. Silicon Valley programmer) you have to learn to transmit “hot chick” cultural cues instead of “programmer” cultural cues.

    I used to ruin sets by being clingy, although I don’t see how being an upbeat person who never gets laid does anything except assure your female acquaintances you won’t murder them, or get them to throw their ugly friend your way when she’s really hard up.

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  84. One of the things that gets elided is that if you approach enough, you will meet women who are ALREADY attracted to you, but this is easiest to do in social circle, where you are already matching social status, possibly ethnicity, and possibly personality types. Getting attraction-rapport-comfort with someone you just met on the street or in a bar is much harder to learn, and the self-blame for not being able to “generate attraction” (as PUA tells you you should) can be pretty intense.

    Part of the drama of “The Pick-Up Artist” is that the first night in the club is always spent with mismatched body language, clothes, and bad approaches, before Mystery gets them to “fit in” enough to avoid appearing like sociopaths. “Likes like each other” sounds like “know your place” to guys who are trying to bust out of the box, but if you’re a cultural outlier (ex. Silicon Valley programmer) you have to learn to transmit “hot chick” cultural cues instead of “programmer” cultural cues.

    I used to ruin sets by being clingy, although I don’t see how being an upbeat person who never gets laid does anything except assure your female acquaintances you won’t murder them, or get them to throw their ugly friend your way when she’s really hard up.

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  85. Above: Eurosabra demonstrating a PUA’s approach to posting.

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  86. Methinks Orange Dress just got engaged to her perfect boyfriend currently serving overseas. 🙂

    The only two that seem halfway *available* are the two on the extreme left.

    Mother hen was probably president of their sorority, and currently working as a consultant or somesuch. Something tells me she’ll be posting a match.com ad in her 40s. 😉

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  87. on October 23, 2008 at 12:32 am MansfieldOnManliness

    86 posts and no one has said — here is what I’ve done when facing said situation.

    No more. Having fun in trashy LV, my friends and I went its most formidable challenge — Coyote Ugly bar in NYNY. There was 9 up dancing with friends on counter (I think she may have been the only 9 in Vegas that place is a magnet for gold diggings trashy cattle); She was a true 9 natural beauty /sweet demeanor.

    I rallied my buddies, to find fat chicks — on the ground; there is no short supply of them in Coyote Ugly bar. We talked the fat chicks into getting up on the bar near Ms. 9. The idea was to crowd the space around 9 so she’s dancing between lard pillows. A good woman is modest, adding physical discomfort and some fat girls jeering their fatty friends dancing made my 9 get off the bar.

    Plucked free, QED.

    The moral — the ignorant man is aware of only his target, the wiser man is aware of his target and her surroundings, but the wisest appreciates his own surroundings as well.

    -MOM

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  88. Well seein as Im in more ethnic girls(latin, black, south american, carribean)..

    1)I wouldn’t be in a bar starting in Mc(screams crappy).
    2)hit up white chicks.

    Just not my thing…

    Texas is a red state, so we have broads like that down here..

    BUT..if I HAD to chose, I’d go for the mother hen…Instead of gettin cockblocked, go for the blocker..especially if she’s cute(hen has some nice tits)..I’ve hit up a group of 7 before, not really that hard…Game the one u want and the cockblocker, so u have an option, IF the whole point is to fuck. Also depends on region..chicks in the south are ALOT social than up north or LA(my 2nd home). So you go w/ what works.

    On another note, most of that PUA, “Game”, Neg BS doesnt work on black chicks..unless they think they’re something other than their race or in Hollywood and are your typical “actrss/model”.. I’ve seen/read some of that PUA stuff(never needed it was just curious) and all the chicks they seem to “target” are all borderline wannabe “Ice queen/coke whores”.

    Call it what ya want, just doesnt work down here. You could possibly get your ass whooped or cut for trying to “neg” a sista or cut through their group, haha..

    If anyone has done it AND LIVED, let me know

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  89. Safest bet of all:

    All the keyboard jockeys who pulled the “oh they aren’t hot enough for me” line to feel better about themselves…..would cream in their pants if either the 3rd from left, 2nd from right, or far right as much as touched their celibate forearm.

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