Want Fewer Sex Crimes? Legalize Victimless Sexual Outlets

A year ago, a study came out that provided evidence for my assertion that legalizing prostitution would reduce the incidence of rape. I wrote about that study here. Feminists were OUTRAGED, naturally, because feminists wrongly believe rape is about power, not sex.

Now, on a not-so-loosely related matter, we have similarly unsettling evidence — to both feminists and family values traditionalists — from another scientific study that legalizing child porn will help reduce the rate of real life child sex abuse.

Could making child pornography legal lead to lower rates of child sex abuse? It could well do, according to a new study by Milton Diamond, from the University of Hawaii, and colleagues.

Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. Their findings are published online today in Springer’s journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children. While the authors do not approve of the use of real children in the production or distribution of child pornography, they say that artificially produced materials might serve a purpose.

Diamond and team looked at what actually happened to sex-related crimes in the Czech Republic as it transitioned from having a strict ban on sexually explicit materials to a situation where the material was decriminalized. Pornography was strictly prohibited between 1948 and 1989. The ban was lifted with the country’s transition to democracy and, by 1990, the availability and ownership of sexually explicit materials rose dramatically. Even the possession of child pornography was not a criminal offense.

The researchers monitored the number of sex-related crimes from Ministry of Interior records – rape, attempted rape, sexual assault, and child sex abuse in particular – for 15 years during the ban and 18 years after it was lifted.

Most significantly, they found that the number of reported cases of child sex abuse dropped markedly immediately after the ban on sexually explicit materials was lifted in 1989. In both Denmark and Japan, the situation is similar: Child sex abuse was much lower than it was when availability of child pornography was restricted.

Yeah, correlation is not causation, but the correlation linking availability of child porn with an immediate decrease of reported child sex abuse is remarkably strong.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why this is so, (or, conversely, it takes a feminist to NOT see the bleeding obvious): Loser men and pedophiles with few consensual or legal sexual outlets to drain their balls will be more incentivized to seek relief with real victims. But throw an endless stream of porn at them — distasteful child porn (using graphical representations of kids rather than real images) or regular adult porn — and the daily ball self-drainage serves as an excellent demotivational technique against engaging in criminal sexual abuse.

Feminists who blather on idiotically and without a shred of evidence that porn and “female objectification” increases male sexual violence are completely discredited by the results from these actual scientific studies. But feminists were never big on the truth, especially when the truth gets in the way of shifting more social and state power to women’s advantage, especially ugly women’s advantage.

If shrieking femcunts knew the first thing about the workings of the male sex drive, they would know that men getting regular ball drainage with willing sexual partners are the kind of confident, no-sweat chaps they can’t help but love. It’s the involuntarily celibate omegas and psychologically skewed pedos and rapists with all their pent-up ball juice who cause trouble. Give them a legal sexual outlet with whores and porn and suddenly they’re not tottering on the precipice of intent to commit sexual abuse.

Other results showed that, overall, there was no increase in reported sex-related crimes generally since the legalization of pornography. Interestingly, whereas the number of sex-related crimes fell significantly after 1989, the number of other societal crimes – murder, assault, and robbery – rose significantly.

This is interesting. I was under the impression that all violent crime was down across the board since the early 90s, and that this trend was evident in a broad selection of countries. If true, this would add even more weight to the findings linking lower reported sex crimes with increased availability of virtual sexual outlets. I suppose men who are inclined to murder could blow off their psychotic steam playing Call of Duty. On the other hand, violent first person shooters may operate differently on male dopamine receptors than does porn; there is evidence that, as opposed to the pressure-valve releasing effect of porn, violent video games torque a man’s testosterone and make him more aggressive.





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  1. Ah, no.

    This is literally the first area in which I’ve dissented from Roissy. It’s not that there’s no truth here, it’s just that, really, if you have a grip, you don’t want to seem to be unambiguously taking this position, even if you’re clear that you’re doing it for value-neutral reasons, and are equally opposed to child fetish as the next adjusted person.

    This smells . . . libertarian.

    [Editor: Note in the study the authors state that the same benefit of reducing real pedophile sex crimes can be had by using computerized images of children, instead of real kids. The use of real kids in porn, of course, any sane man would be opposed to, regardless of any larger societal benefit.]

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  2. People in general, not just men, would rather have an appropriately priced outlet for their desires instead of an illegal but *free* option.

    See iTunes as a great example of this.

    Most people don’t want to be sharing and downloading copyrighted material… they understand this isn’t exactly the “right” thing to do. But, they also understand that in a way there really isn’t a victim, either.

    Just legalize it, and allow it to be offered at reasonable prices and most will come in out of the dark.

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  3. if only Humbert Humbert had the Internet…

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  4. [Editor: Note in the study the authors state that the same benefit of reducing real pedophile sex crimes can be had by using computerized images of children, instead of real kids. The use of real kids in porn, of course, any sane man would be opposed to, regardless of any larger societal benefit.]

    Ah, the technologist faith of libertarians! Sounds like Newt Gingrich, just a little more . . . vivid.

    [Editor: Hey I still want to close the borders, kick out the illegals, institute a 20 year moratorium on immigration, and restore an optimal 80% NW Euro – 20% Other ethnic balance of the USA for the nation’s posterity.
    Let’s just say I won’t be invited to any libertardian shindigs anytime soon.]

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  5. hey would know that men getting regular ball drainage with willing sexual partners are the kind of confident, no-sweat chaps they can’t help but love. It’s the involuntarily celibate omegas and psychologically skewed pedos and rapists with all their pent-up ball juice who cause trouble.

    Strange…all my femcunt college indoctrination had the president of the fraternity or star football players as the leading cause of sexual assaults on campus.

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  6. Intuitively, it does not really seem surprising that the crime rate would rise after the collapse of the USSR; authoritarian governments tend to suppress crime.

    Shooters were not really around much in 1989, and the first that would have influenced the second world would probably be Counter-Strike ca. 1999.

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  7. I see your argument Roissi. BUT…

    On the other hand, you now have hundreds of thousands of guys jerking it to little kids at home, in exchange for real child sex abuse crime to lower.

    Sounds like a creepy trade-off.

    Total open libertarian legalization doesn’t always produce the best results. By taxing cigarettes in the U.S., smoking has gone down and it’s less of a cost on health care expenses nationwide.

    Probably the best solution would be to make child porn legal, but tax it heavily (how exactly to do that would be another thorny issue). That way you don’t have tens of thousands of guys rushing to the ‘net for free child porn, AND the reveal hardcore child fetishers can still get their fix by whacking it to children and paying a heavy tax for the privilege.

    But it’s all speculation. NO WAY in the U.S. would any of this come to pass. And it’s NOT “femcunts” and feminists behind it, but the passionate religious movement in the U.S. which is driven more by socially conservative men as it is by women.

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  8. “So, what do you do for a living?”

    “I make photo-realistic artificially produced child pornography”

    I guess it would create a few jobs for photoshop-proficient pedos.

    meh.

    [Editor: This is definitely NOT a good joke-job description to tell a girl you meet in a bar.]

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  9. Yeah, on one hand you have the libertarian urge to legalize sex and drugs but I don’t see this as technologist faith as a core component of libertarianism. Of course, technological advancement is a benefit of low government intrusion, as Newt stated that democrat union thug types would’ve made cars illegal to keep the horse shoe lobby safe from competition.

    In this case, maybe computer generated pron as suggested by the host would be the lesser of several evils.

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  10. The stupid posts here aside –
    it MUST be obvious to even the oblivious here
    that an empty seedbag on a guy means he’s literally spent himself on a computer image of a teenybopper gobbling a load – instead of hunting down a REAL jailbait girlie down to harm.

    It’s time for computer generated porn of this sort.

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  11. [Editor: Hey I still want to close the borders, kick out the illegals, institute a 20 year moratorium on immigration, and restore an optimal 80% NW Euro -20% Other ethnic balance of the USA for the nation’s posterity.
    Let’s jsut say I won’t be invited to any libertardian shindigs anytime soon.]

    I just want a world in which Roissy has to defend himself from attacks from the Right. xoxoxo

    Anyway, there’s truth in this study. It reveals something about human nature. And attacks from the feminists and family values types (both typically hysterical) won’t do. But it also won’t really do to see this study as a matter of immediate goal-orientation, in a public policy sense. What it suggests is basic satisfaction with the therapeutic State. Instead we’re aiming junk the therapeutic regime in favor of the archaic one, in which elites simply channel, rather than seek to root out and correct, the habit of dealing with pedophiles in the same direct, brutal, non-controversial way all out-groups are dealt with.

    [Editor: What if it turns out pedophilia is caused by a genetic or neural defect? How do you “correct” someone like that?
    Personally, instead of wasting man-hours and money crafting artificial kiddie porn to tame pedos, I would just as soon identify them and shoot them into space.]

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  12. MEN

    I’ve come to realize over the past few years that there’s nothing women can really provide to men other than these few things:

    1) Sex
    2) Children
    3) Companionship (conversation, intellectual stimulation, etc.)

    Well, for each of these:

    2) Requires marriage if you want to bring the kids up right. Marriage therefore, for me, and for anyone who approaches this honestly, serves exactly one purpose: As a mechanism for reproduction. All of its secondary benefits are just that: secondary.

    3) Companionship: Frankly, unless your woman is Astounding, most men are much better general over-all companions and friends than most women, especially women you’re locked in a sexual-power dynamic with. Such women can bring companionship to the table as a side benefit, but you’re still likely to get much better companionship with other social outlets.

    Which leaves

    1) Sex

    Until you want to breed, then, sex is the only thing men actually need from women. And, frankly, many women have concluded the same thing about men – except that the archaic social structure and the legal system also allows tem to get material benefits from men.

    If you have Pornography, then many men no longer need to put up with womens’ shit and the troubles that go into dealing with their conflicting and oppressive demands.

    Or you can learn game, and get control of the situation.

    I know a few men for whom porn is the easier answer.

    WOMEN

    Women get this:

    1) Sex

    Same deal.

    2) Companionship
    Almost all the women I know say that men make better intellectual, personal and social companions than females. They’re more interesting, do more and have more engaging characters. I find this, as well. A smaller subset of women are actually interesting, my GF among them, but this remains the reason she *is* my GF: she’s a rare one.

    3) Practical Utility
    Males are just more useful than females. They can do everything women can (including cook): they can also fix things and perform tasks that seem to be beyond the ability of most women, like reading maps, fixing things and generally being handy. They’re also often better at dealing with difficult situations, like being shafted at the airport or complaining about crappy service and getting results.

    4) Children

    Same as for men. But you get to discard the males if you so choose, for any reason. Justification not really required. Most reasons are rationalizations or simply pro-forma.

    5) Material Resources

    Much of the Feminazi sphere is designed to maximize womens’ rights without any attention whatsoever to womens’ concomitant responsibilities. Therefore, milking a specific male for material comfort OR the general male population through taxation is seen as acceptable.

    PORN

    Porn allows men to dispense with women much of the time and to cease relying on them to dole out sexual favors on the woman’s whim.

    This is a fundamental assault on woman’s power: The man can now pleasure himself without the participation of a particular woman. That he’s gratifying lust through proxy and living a sad, sexless existence is irrelevant; he’s doing it without reference to any particular woman and is therefore exercising his own options. He’s opting out of the difficulties he may have in the sexual marketplace.

    While I think this is a sad solution for frustrated males, given reality, I can’t possibly condemn them for it. Saying “Get a GF” doesn’t help, because the GF may be one of these fat, ugly whorish harridans we see all around us, and in such cases, sex with self and computer screen may be infinitely preferable. Or there may be no women at all.

    No women at all and sex with self may be preferable to dating some of these American women I know.

    The fact is, it’s always been entirely obvious why porn is useful. Dworkin and Mackinnon were always idiots: super smart idiots. They were exactly, precisely, completely wrong.

    I knew pro-sex lesbians in college who said as much. Any women not steeped in the self-contradictory hypocrisy of feminist self-serving dogma knows this without having to have dozens of studies prove it.

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  13. [Editor: What if it turns out pedophilia is caused by a genetic or neural defect? How do you “correct” someone like that? Personally, instead of wasting man-hours and money crafting artificial kiddie porn to tame pedos, I would just as soon identify them and shoot them into space.]

    Well, duh, that’s my point.

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  14. 4Chan called, they want their research scientists back.

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  15. Another explanation for the findings in Czech Republic study:
    Prior to 1990, ALL sexually explicit material was prohibited. So you have a lot of pent up male sexual urges without a safe release option for lesser betas and omegas. Rape is one option, but a high risk one. Another option is child sexual abuse (for non-pedophelic men, this means post-pubescent children) – which is perceived to be lower risk for the perpetrator than violent stranger rape.

    Following 1990, sexually explicit material is available, and males urges have a safe release option, so child sexual abuse goes down.

    Of course, this alternative explanation assumes that the study defines child sexual abuse as abuse of children of legal age, NOT as abuse of pre-pubescent children. Ditto for what constitutes child porn.

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  16. Let’s not forget that the real threat to men’s rights represented by the feminists and Christian right on the subject of “child crimes” is that, unchecked, they will continue to define “child” as a 16 or 17 year old who was previously not defined as such, in order to try to continue to raise the age of consent in US states from the traditional 16 to an unreasonable 18.

    The reason for this, as depicted by Christie Brinkley’s reaction to her husband cheating on her with a 17 year old whose 18th birthday was a few days away, is abject jealousy/envy of the drawing power of younger women in general for men of all ages.

    The Christian Right under GWB and feminists tried and succeeded to make an extra-jurisdictional federal law in 2000 called the Protect Act which stated that Americans could still murder people overseas and not be subject to US jurisdiction, but they couldn’t sleep with someone under 18 without facing jail back in the US. A federal judge apparently moved this back to “noone under 16” considering that half the US states still had 16 as the age of consent.

    Note how Congress routinely makes laws that the courts “rewrite” in order to make more sane…without the wording of the original law being officially changed.

    Right now some gay dude in Philadelphia is fighting a charge that he was lewd to some 15 year old boys as a tourist somewhere.

    No country in the history of the world had ever tried to own their citizens and “jurisdict” over their behavior outside the country’s borders (unless someone was assassinated overseas for having committed treason or being a political enemy). German and Dutch feminists have since gotten similar extra-jurisdictional laws passed.

    It wouldn’t be “libertarian” for a judge to overturn this. But 2 out of 3 Ninth Circuit Appeals judges refused to overturn it while the 1 out of 3 declared his shock that judges could just make up American jurisdiction over its citizens to include the whole world.

    You don’t have to want to sleep with gorgeous 17 year olds to see the danger and the motivation in allowing governments to expand their power by making new extra-jurisdictional laws.

    All you have to do is look at taxes. Outside of Libya, the USA is the only country that assumes the right to tax its citizens on money they earned overseas while living overseas. It takes arrogance and gall to assume that right.

    Then look at what GWB did after 9-11 where Americans are not allowed to have bank accounts overseas go unreported even if the money was earned overseas.

    Slippery Slope theory says that soon, all American laws will apply to all Americans no matter where they are in the world…a concept of “world government” never before known…and an important milestone for world government itself.

    One can add that, in states like Delaware and Florida, a 16 or 17 year old is defined as an adult if the sexual partner is under 30 or 24 respectively. The moment the partner reaches that age, the younger person becomes a “child” in the mind of the (twisted) law.

    So the football team and assistant coach can gang bang a 17 year old groupie legally in Delaware, but if the coach so much as watched the proceedings, he would become a registered sex offender whom the Religious Right women and feminists would hound do his dying day.

    The motivation for making sex with 17 year olds in Delaware legal for 29 year olds but illegal for 30 year olds has obviously nothing to do with protecting “children” and everything to do with being a desperate and irrational attempt at keeping older males from abandoning their older wives and girlfriends.

    One can see why no guy in Delaware wants to use his real name to contest the law in court. Its because, in the age of Google, people shut up about taking a politically incorrect position, even if it means losing the edges of their rights to the point of their rights decreasing from all sides.

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  17. Interesting…though I have always been led to believe that there already was plenty of phony animated kid porn out there. Can’t say I’ve ever seen any though, maybe it’s already illegal…

    Still though, I have been to a few of the more popular erotic story websites and on pretty much all of them you have to wade through a bunch of weird shit to find something a sane man would want to jerk off to. I don’t see anyone cracking down on words on a page…so if someone wants to just draw pictures featuring sick fantasies and put it on some far off forgotten corner of the web…I can’t say that’s anybody’s business but theirs.

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  18. Jesse Charger

    I see your argument Roissi. BUT…

    On the other hand, you now have hundreds of thousands of guys jerking it to little kids at home, in exchange for real child sex abuse crime to lower.

    Sounds like a creepy trade-off.

    Um, your stance on exchanging continued molestation over covert masturbation is not creepy – it’s puritanical.

    Your caring what thousands of guys jerk it to – now that’s the creepy part.

    Probably the best solution would be to make child porn legal, but tax it heavily…AND the reveal hardcore child fetishers can still get their fix by whacking it to children and paying a heavy tax for the privilege.

    You equate privilege – with a tax on it, of course. Provided it’s the behavior YOU disapprove of, like smoking.

    Government should charge you a Noise Nuisance Tax for your next EMOpalooza Breaking Benjamin fest – just a small $100 surcharge. Then, we could Tax pot, Red Bull, cell phones and texting – causes ear cancer, ya know.

    You are the exact sort of troublemaking liberal fascist that I personally despise for destroying this country with your mindless hypocrisy – and secular, do-gooder, ignorance of all realistic consequences.

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  19. on December 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm referred by Ike

    For a couple years now I’ve been watching true crime shows like “First 48” and “Cold Case Files” and I notice there are no sex cases originating after the early ’90’s. It seems that DNA technology has basically wiped out rape as a crime category. You’re right that the Femcunts were lying with the rape=power meme, but it’s irrelevant now. The stupid thing now is making it a condition of probation that child molesters can’t possess porn. The really interesting question is whether the rampant assholiness of postmodern women will result in pure violence, sans rape. I met a harridan yesterday I’d really like to garrote.

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  20. Evan

    What it suggests is basic satisfaction with the therapeutic State. Instead we’re aiming junk the therapeutic regime in favor of the archaic one, in which elites simply channel, rather than seek to root out and correct, the habit of dealing with pedophiles in the same direct, brutal, non-controversial way all out-groups are dealt with.

    I’m unsure why your writing is so obtuse, perhaps you are ESL?

    What ” direct, brutal” way are shoe-bombers and even multiple murderers “dealt with” here – 40 years on death row with cable and air-conditioning?

    You labeling the proposal as “basic satisfaction” is erroneous: The proposal is an actual cure.

    I do see your point in offing the undesirable, but there’s a difference in ridding ourselves of burdens like schizophrenics who see Jesus on a cupcake vs a pedo who likes to watch 14 year olds fuck.

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  21. Porn has undoubtedly taken more men out of the game as well.

    Men with empty nutsacks are satisfyed staying home and playing World of Warcraft/Call of Duty/Halo/Whatever instead of going out and talking to women.

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  22. Its about power all right. Porn reduces feminist power. Porn reduces the demand for the real thing. Even a few of them figured it out. That’s why they hate it.

    http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

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  23. No thanks. I don’t want toddler porn popping up everytime I stray into porno sites. That is too high a price for society to pay, to have to give up normal porn or else risk getting an image your mind can never erase.

    As to this supposedly scientific study, I’d only point out that a whole hell of a lot of relevant things have changed since 1989 besides laws about child porn in the Czech Republic. Just to name one tiny one off the top of my head is that Communism fell in Eastern EU and travel restrictions lessened considerably. Another little one is the Interwebs. Camcorders. Digital cameras. Justin Bieber. How did they control for all these variables, pray tell?

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  24. NYCBachelor

    Porn has undoubtedly taken more men out of the game as well.

    Men with empty nutsacks are satisfyed staying home and playing World of Warcraft/Call of Duty/Halo/Whatever instead of going out and talking to women.

    When women are worth the trouble of talking to – rather than jerking it to a Asa Akira video, maybe more men will get into Game.

    Most women can not be indeed ‘talked’ to – they must be gamed, for they are unnecessarily rude, undeservedly arrogant entitled bitches with foul mouths and snippy tudes.

    That’s why game was invented – to trick them into being human.

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  25. I forgot to add that the religious right and feminists enjoy a concept called “Absolute Liability” that says that, if someone lies to you about being above the age of consent, looks above the age of consent and even shows you a believable fake ID above the age of consent…you can still go to jail and later become a hounded registered sex offender for life if it turns out that you were lied to and the ID was fake.

    The twisted reasoning behind this astonishingly fascist point of view (the law in many US states apparently), is of course that you are really “wrong” for wanting to have sex with someone really young like 18 in the first place.

    And, of course, you’re “wrong” in the eyes of insecure aging women and their White Knighter suitors (typical make-up of most churches, feminist groups and political action committees).

    There are midwestern Republican state politicians on YouTube bragging about being in favor of this legal concept.

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  26. chi-town

    Its about power all right. Porn reduces feminist power. Porn reduces the demand for the real thing. Even a few of them figured it out. That’s why they hate it.

    You’re giving us a Naomi Wolf article? Hey, you pidgin-spouting d-bag – tell your gal it’s not just “porn that displaced females” but females rotten, surly attitudes in courtship and militant stances of finances, employment and divorce.

    If you can translate my English.

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  27. “And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan.”

    How can this be true? If child porn is illegal, and more of it became available since 1989, how can the incidence of child sex abuse have fallen? Were all the newly available images from pre-1989? The explosion of child porn once the Internet popped up as a distribution medium would seem to prove the opposite, that there was more, not less abuse.Maybe the Internet CAUSES child abuse? Makes as much sense as this study.

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  28. I’m unsure why your writing is so obtuse, perhaps you are ESL?

    I can be obtuse because I’m talking with someone (i.e., not you) who gets all the allusions, labels, and reference points. We’d just be right-wing geeks if we didn’t also happen to be correct, Cassandra-like, about everything that’s happening to us. Anyway.

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  29. Digby

    No thanks. I don’t want toddler porn popping up everytime I stray into porno sites.

    So, presently, that makes you a bluenose who also doesn’t like seeing a stray tit pop up on a bathing suit website while you’re buying your gf a gift.

    What sort of hyperbole and conjecture must you combine to get anal-kiddie porn EVERYTIME you “stray” into porno sites.

    THAT, you can visualize, but not the fact that it took a former Soviet Slave State to conduct this research while “the greatest nation in the world derp” has kept itself blind to discovery.

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  30. “Still though, I have been to a few of the more popular erotic story websites and on pretty much all of them you have to wade through a bunch of weird shit to find something a sane man would want to jerk off to.”

    I’ve found this to be the case as well. I guess because it’s a pretty selective group that tends to end up writing erotic stories.

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  31. Evan

    I’m unsure why your writing is so obtuse, perhaps you are ESL?

    I can be obtuse…

    You sure can – that’s the clearest statement you’ve ever made here. Keep up the good work.

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  32. I completely agree with Roissy. Over the last few years I have noticed many countries making artificial child pornography illegal, and it looks as if the governments are shooting their own leg. The feminist excuse that watching such material motivates pedophiles to act is stupid and baseless, and I am sad for the increased amount of children who will have to suffer such abuse because of the government’s blatant stupidity and the feminist power hunger.

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  33. The concept of “Limited Liability” says that you’re OK if you checked the ID but not simply because the partner said she was 18.

    This bullshit, by the way, is well known among especially younger US male adults as being tied to the Republican Party and explains a lot why so many young men won’t vote GOP (part of a package of anti-sex attitudes from the GWB days on back).

    To win in 2012, even against an easy target like Obama, the GOP is going to have to avoid putting up anyone who might appear to be like a “Sex Crimes Enforcer” (sadly, Sarah Palin somehow comes across as wanting to be one despite her small government yapping). Younger men tolerate this BS much less than older guys because its a lot more likely for instance, for a 22 year old voter to get entwined with a 17 year old female. Laws like in Florida that give the 22 year old men a pass but not the 24 year olds…don’t wash either. The GOP needs to prove to men that they’ve fundamentally shifted away from a paranoid “punish the sex criminals” attitude.

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  34. You sure can – that’s the clearest statement you’ve ever made here.

    Thanks for reading!

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  35. I wouldn’t thank me just yet.

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  36. I have long held the view that given the low risk to customer and provider in voluntary and legal prostitution, it is a superior outlet to so-called consensual relationships. I mean, why should any guy put up with that shit for a skilled and good looking piece of ass.

    Why buy the cow, or seduce the cow- when you can purchase all the milk you want by the liter?

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  37. I wouldn’t thank me just yet.

    Fine by me!

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  38. More ways in which the “see men as sex criminals” attitude ruins a society are:

    1) US adult males are less likely to be asked even by friends and family to babysit.

    2) Men can be outrageously asked to move from their plane seat because someone else’s child sits in the next seat.

    3) US males coming back from Asia tend to lose their laptops to zealous border control agents who think there might be evidence of wrongdoing for no other reason than those US males were in Asia (business or whatever). A new law says that border agents can seize laptops and keep searching them for months until they finally find something – a picture of your niece at the beach.

    4) American men find themselves deleting any photos of their own toddler kids in bathing suits or in bathtubs. Memories forced down the rabbit hole of feminist and religious paranoia.

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  39. The “rape is about power” thing is bullshit, and people lap it up uncritically.

    But there are some cases where you’d be forgiven for thinking maybe there’s something to it.

    What about guys who are charming, have wives and hot girlfriends, and who choose to rape? With psychotic lunatics who could otherwise easily get consensual sex (outliers), their choice to rape seems like it adds credence to the “rape is about power” thing.

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  40. chateau

    It’s the involuntarily celibate omegas and psychologically skewed pedos and rapists with all their pent-up ball juice who cause trouble. Give them a legal sexual outlet with whores…

    In the news, when a pic is finally published of the creep, the ENTIRE readership goes – “aha, no wonder – just LOOK at the guy.”

    If there were legal prostitution – easily available – these males could indulge themselves in private; an important feature for stunted people until they fake it to make it.

    Perhaps once they saw how cunty strippers/whores can really be, maybe they’d not mind settling down with a heifer who can cook.

    Life would go on. Live and let live.

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  41. The existence of loser men and pedophiles is the sign of an anarcho-tyrannical society badly out of scale.

    Technologically reductionistic solutions to problems of society and scale almost never succeed in the long-term as they add yet another layer of complexity onto an already overly-complex society.

    What is really needed is the sequestration/ostracization of the misfits (pedophiles, Redditors, etc), ending soft polygyny, incentivization of marriage and fatherhood, more blue-collar middle class jobs, and fewer technocrats and winner-take-all jobs where few people accrue wealth through taking and manipulating other people’s money.

    Will this happen? No. Not unless we collapse. Joseph Tainter writes about this.

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  42. Will this happen? No. Not unless we collapse. Joseph Tainter writes about this.

    This is also Guillaume Faye’s basic argument, on a more esoteric (read: obtuse) plane of understanding.

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  43. “Instead we’re aiming junk the therapeutic regime in favor of the archaic one, in which elites simply channel, rather than seek to root out and correct, the habit of dealing with pedophiles in the same direct, brutal, non-controversial way all out-groups are dealt with.”

    That is the most hideous English I’ve read in a long while 😉

    (No offense, I’m sure you couldn’t give a shit)

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  44. Diamond M et al (2010). Pornography and sex crimes in the Czech Republic. Archives of Sexual Behavior. DOI:10.1007/s10508-010-9696-y

    BTW, Roissy, it’s always important to pay attention to the ethnicity of the researcher making claims, because social science researchers are notorious for their confirmation bias. I leave to the reader the exercise of extrapolating Dr. Diamond’s ethnicity.

    Also, I thought the Czech republic was mostly known for its whorehouses, car thefts, and contraband running. While in Germany I was advised not to drive our Mercedes rental to Prague.

    Aren’t “legitimate” whorehouses historically known for pressing into service young girls who don’t want to be there (orphans, kidnappees, etc)?

    Why should we be imitating the Czechs? Let the Czechs be Czechs and the West be the West.

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  45. Legion

    The “rape is about power” thing is bullshit, and people lap it up uncritically.

    This is the main problem in the USA. In spite of thousands of sources for yahoo/CNN/FOX/NYT etc. news, people are more stupid than ever. THAT is because of the root cause of being systematically brainwashed in Public School. Educated people have critical thinking skills – drones merely follow.

    What about guys who are charming, have wives and hot girlfriends, and who choose to rape? With psychotic lunatics who could otherwise easily get consensual sex (outliers), their choice to rape seems like it adds credence to the “rape is about power” thing.

    You are describing the exception to the rule: rare, irredeemable creatures with untreatable mental illness

    These would be eradicated in wise society.

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  46. Gorb,

    3) Companionship: Frankly, unless your woman is Astounding, most men are much better general over-all companions and friends than most women, especially women you’re locked in a sexual-power dynamic with. Such women can bring companionship to the table as a side benefit, but you’re still likely to get much better companionship with other social outlets.

    True statistically, but statistically you won’t get a 9 or 10 either, that’s no reason not to improve your Game and go for it.

    Jerry,

    Unfortunately all sort of unconstitutional legislation like that gets passed. The US Government is getting extraterritorial about a lot of things, and the concept of strict liability regarding age of consent can’t possibly survive if challenged all the way to the Supreme Court. But these things sometimes go on for many years before a test case comes along that gets to the Supreme Court, if it ever does, and the Supreme Court occasionally gets it wrong. Legislators who vote for stuff like this should be recalled, we shouldn’t have to wait for the next election to get rid of them.

    Is it really true that child porn manufactured artificially without using real children is legal? I’ve never even seen an ad for such, which I would expect to have seen if it were legal.

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  47. That is the most hideous English I’ve read in a long while 😉

    It comes from reading a lot of German in translation. Also, I need an editor.

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  48. Well, that’s what we get when the masters of our society think women should look like a saw horse when holding hands, and then proceed to march them around in garbage bags to usher in the current trend. They think it works like this. They think they can take the male sex drive , hand it to a twelve year old boy, and have him melt it like a model airplane with his daddy’s propane torch.

    How about a jizzolizer before an outer dead bolt opens? 5 times a week, and he has nothing left. He is safely spent on a computer image. Jizz in the receptacle, and viola!. Fuck that door open, pervert.

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  49. Off-topic:

    A guy sets a goal to never say anything insecure…and gets laid like gangbusters.

    http://the1585.com/imnicemen.htm

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  50. well why don’t we legalize prostitution and make it competitive so its cheap? The u could have sex not worry about disease.
    Pretty sure if prostitution was legal and cheap there would be a lot less pedophiles

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  51. easy solution, legalize prostitution

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  52. on December 2, 2010 at 4:54 pm Johnycomelately

    I wonder if the Soviet Union would have collapsed if the betas were doped up on porn?

    Seems to me like a catch 22, a bit like heroin for the Chinese until the Boxers got wind of the scam.

    So I guess, for the elite, porn is a good depressant (keeps the masses subdued like dole and circuses), keeps the Betas quite while Alphas go on plundering.

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  53. @PRCalDude

    Normally its considered a radical feminist position that women are generally pressed into prostitution and I thought everyone on the Roissy blog knew that.

    Remember also that the Chateau’s position is that paid sexual activity is value neutral (not beta or gamma) so long as a man can get great sex for free normally. I saw the “loser” reference above to mean rapists or patrons of street whores.

    Its certainly well known in men’s rights circles that the whole lingo about “sex trafficking” is radical feminist (or human trafficking). It mostly doesn’t happen.

    Even the Washington Post admitted that “human trafficking” is overestimated by a factor of 100 so interest groups can be paid federal dollars or UN dollars to “stamp it out”.

    Turkey, for instance, is not a center for it. In fact Turkey is one of the 3 countries outside the US where 18 is the age of consent. You can look far and wide for anyone being purveyed against her will in Turkey. You won’t find it.

    During the 2006 World Cup, Condi Rice infuriated Angela Merkel with a bogus statement that Germany has 50,000 “trafficked women”. Merkel replied that Germany had almost no such cases and that Germany’s prostitutes were legal businesswomen doing something of their own free will. This infuriated American feminists and religious types alike. Most Germans were just as infuriated at them in return (one can see why I prefer living in Europe).

    @Firepower

    [If there were legal prostitution – easily available]

    Professional paid sex with just any customer is only 1% of an iceberg of mercenary activity so laws making professional street or brothel prostitutes illegal are meaningless. 99% of the erotic mercenary scene anywhere is friend of a friend activity and guys who don’t know how that works, and somehow think most whores are professionals who don’t have other jobs, are just naive.

    Anywhere in the world, it doesn’t matter if it is legal or not to be the prostitute. Unlike what the feminists and religious types want you to think, customers in these unofficial transactions are mostly like Charlie Sheen in terms of wanting to pay someone to leave. Their wives or girlfriends will want to see them in 2 hours.

    Where things get dangerous and “effective” is when feminists and religious wackos make it illegal to be a customer, which includes agreeing to walk with a female cop in the direction of a hotel, etc. That kind of fascism effects all our rights to associate with whom we please (slippery slope effect).

    This has happened in Sweden and is about to happen in Israel. It, of course, has happened in many US states where feminists and churchgoers enjoy an unholy alliance (NY, FL, CA).

    Any man who supports such laws is a White Knighter. Its been unheard of in 6000 years of history to punish the male instead of the female for this so-called “Crime”. In Finland, the feminists were stopped as a new law was passed that only made it a crime if the woman were mentally retarded. They put a pimp in jail for that, and justifiably.

    Even laws against general “pimping” end up hurting 21 year old sorority girls who do the most pimping of their friends to guys. Police can shake down sorority houses in EE now. That’s an evil side effect of what fems and holy rollers thought was good policy.

    Only people who don’t know what’s really going on think that pimps are generally dangerous black dudes with afros or evil looking Russian mafia types. Its almost always young women who have lots of friends.

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  54. “You’re giving us a Naomi Wolf article? Hey, you pidgin-spouting d-bag – tell your gal it’s not just “porn that displaced females” but females rotten, surly attitudes in courtship and militant stances of finances, employment and divorce.

    If you can translate my English.”

    Save it for when we disagree, syphilitic bukkake chowder on a $2 whore.

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  55. One John getting his dick sucked in a dark alley is one less worshipper to one entitled princess. Of course that they hate that.

    15-16 years old is a reasonable age of consent, despite what Feminazis say. Is not like women of that age aren’t willingly having sex anyways.

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  56. Or we could return to the idea that any pedophile is executed. Not that the SCOTUS would allow that.

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  57. Jerry, thanks for the informative posts.

    Here’s the Washington Post article regarding trafficking, for anyone interested: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401.html

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  58. @chi-town – yep, women are complaining about porn all the time. It doesn’t make guys want them more, it makes guys not give a fuck about them.

    @firepower – nice knee-jerk reaction to chi’s post. What was that you were saying about critical thinking?

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  59. I dont really buy that rape is done by omega males, a typical omega is short, weedy, weak etc, if he were truely strong enough to rape a women he could probably get one anyway.

    I dont doubt legalization of child porn would reduce child rape, but im till convinced violent rape is done by big guys who enjoy the feeling of power.

    roofie are another matter however.

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  60. on December 2, 2010 at 6:04 pm Obstinance Works

    KPRon laws are a little funny. So you can look @ a 14-18 y/o in the US, but you can marry them in some states. Real smart to spend all this time and money enforcing a silly crime. Just catch the ones actually out there pimping these kids and leave the rest up to God.

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  61. on December 2, 2010 at 6:07 pm Obstinance Works

    so you CAN’T look @ a 14-18 y/o

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  62. on December 2, 2010 at 6:12 pm Obstinance Works

    Most rape is by alphas.

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  63. The whole kiddie porn thing is disturbing.

    A lot was happening in Czechoslovakia in 89. I expect that the accuracy of record keeping and rule of law changed along with the collapse of the Soviet Eastern Block. I think the chaotic changes in 89 of the state and society in the Czechoslovakia leaves too many variables open. Were the communist secret police using the child porn as a trumped up charge against dissidents? Did the Soviet collapse result in a chaotic lack of record keeping or unreported incidents? Also, there was the later split into the Czech Republic and Slovak Republics, does the study and numbers account for this?

    Studies in countries that utilize data that do not include a time frame with a massive societal change would have more validity.

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  64. @skeptical

    You’re forgetting about the large goofball type. I’ve seen some pretty massive guys that aren’t ever going to ever get laid. Think the giant wierdo in high school who walked around publicly picking his nose.

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  65. @Poly,

    Polymath said on Want Fewer Sex Crimes? Legalize Victimless Sexual Outlets
    December 2, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    In response to Chateau on December 2, 2010 at 2:26 pm:

    A year ago, a study came out that provided evidence for my assertion that legalizing prostitution would reduce the incidence of rape. I wrote about that study here. Feminists were OUTRAGED, naturally, because feminists wrongly believe rape is about power, not sex. Now, on a not-so-loosely related matter, we have similarly unsettling evidence — to […]

    Gorb,

    3) Companionship: Frankly, unless your woman is Astounding, most men are much better general over-all companions and friends than most women, especially women you’re locked in a sexual-power dynamic with. Such women can bring companionship to the table as a side benefit, but you’re still likely to get much better companionship with other social outlets.

    True statistically, but statistically you won’t get a 9 or 10 either, that’s no reason not to improve your Game and go for it.

    This is true. There was a time after my marriage broke down when retreating into a private world was a good option. I might have stayed there. Good for me I didn’t.

    But I had options.

    I’m just saying that men are frankly more interesting, statistically, to deal with.

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  66. Hey, let’s just legalize all the vices. Maybe after a while we won’t remember why they were even vices in the first place. Certainly most people these days don’t remember why sexual ‘freedom’ was repressed for so long – and there was a good reason, and we’ll learn it again someday. But really it’s just a very long process of learning, forgetting and relearning these lessons all over again over the course of human history. There will always be short-sighted people who think moral codes are for the old and stuffy, and some of them never do find out what they are missing, but for the rest of us vices are vices and society, if it’s one that understands what is good in life, should be clear about it.

    When your life is focused on banging random chicks whose names you can barely remember the next day though, you might forget where all the ‘meaning’ is. Hint: it’s not in the stats.

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  67. This would make sense if most rapes were “Crazy Bob Hiding in the bushes in the City Park”, but I don’t think that’s the case. Aren’t most rapes either within an existing relationship or date rapes? The only explanation I can see there is that if women are only screwing alphas now they have less situations where they need to save face by claiming they were forced into it by the “creepy” beta.

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  68. Feminists once again prove to be completely wrong about just about everything. EVERYTHING.

    What else is new?

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  69. Get the fuck outta here.

    All Paedophiles and consumers of child porn need to be rounded up and removed from society.

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  70. @Mr. C
    Indeed, but since the laws do not allow it (yet?), you will have to do with, as roissy called it, “taming” them.

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  71. “Aren’t most rapes either within an existing relationship or date rapes? ”

    There are stranger rapes, and then there are rapes by someone the woman knew, that frankly doesn’t mean much. It’s like saying that most child abuse is done by parents or by someone the child or its parents knew.

    ‘All Paedophiles and consumers of child porn need to be rounded up and removed from society.”

    hey hey tolerance buddy. next you’ll be saying the same for sodomisers.

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  72. Myself, I like talking to and enjoying the companionship of some smart and pretty girls, especially if the girl in question loves me.

    I will admit that if the girl isn’t at least cute, I’m way less likely to want to talk with her or hang out with her than a similarly smart guy.

    Girls do think differently, which is appealing to me when we’re both attracted even if having sex, but not so appealing if we’re not both attracted.

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  73. Obstinance Works–

    Most rape is by alphas.

    Ridiculous. Alphas don’t need to rape.

    This tracks the absurd notion that all violent criminals are alphas, who most women cream for.

    Rubbish.

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  74. on December 2, 2010 at 7:48 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Alphas don’t need to rape.

    But lots of criminal type alphas do anyway. They take the “I don’t give a shit attitude to the limit.”

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  75. Even if legalized pornography did away with all sexual violence I would not be for it because of what it does to the minds and souls of innocent people who may see it and their culture in general. There will always be deviants. It’s not right or Western in any sense to deviate cultures to eliminate deviance. Make the losers live in hell, not the good people.

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  76. “It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why this is so, (or, conversely, it takes a feminist to NOT see the bleeding obvious): Loser men and pedophiles with few consensual or legal sexual outlets to drain their balls will be more incentivized to seek relief with real victims. But throw an endless stream of porn at them — distasteful child porn (using graphical representations of kids rather than real images) or regular adult porn — and the daily ball self-drainage serves as an excellent demotivational technique against engaging in criminal sexual abuse.”

    I don’t think this is at all controversial. Perhaps its major fault is that is simple and that it is too suggestive of certain absolute truths (and there are too many folk making comfortable livings by denying the truth about everything).

    The down-side with freely available sexual release is that there are no consequences for becoming anti-social. A guy who relieves himself with the help of hookers and pornography can treat others however he wants, secure in the knowledge that there will be no threat to his supply of sexual gratification – guys who rely on courting women for sex know they have to watch themselves.

    So it doesn’t really surprise me that sex crimes have dropped off, but other anti-social crimes have increased since porn became endemic.

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  77. Japan has a huge, legal child porn manga and game industry.
    Which is what most pedos jerk off at. Just look at 4chan et al.

    So no need to create it, its creepy but millions of guy dig that stuff.

    Japans government is pushing to regulate it though, so we might see a big increase if child molesting in the near future.

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  78. on December 2, 2010 at 8:45 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Things like porn and prostitution should be available, but not too available. They do function as a safety valve, but having them become part of the general culture isn’t a good thing either. As has been endlessly discussed on this blog, a culture of anything goes sexual anarchy is not necessarily a good thing.

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  79. the syphilitic blewcocky chowder gots a thessorehisass . da rifling dribbling out his rasp ass, match wit his bunk mate buba and he gonna go balls-has-ticks wen he red dis. he got him a d-bag insult you con git uh ton of dem clitshavings at the counter wen you as fo exta bags.

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  80. Women can’t seem to think that men do things for different reasons.

    Know why feminists think rape is about power? Because women use sex to control men. So if they use sex for power, then clearly men must use it for the same thing.

    I’ve discovered, confirmed, and clarified so much about female behavior by just looking at their accusations/rationalizations of male behavior and just flipping it back on them.

    First and biggest one is obviously sex for power. In the book why women have sex they’ll do it from everything from stealing a man from a competing women to getting a guy to take out the trash. Women CLEARLY use sex to control men. Then they project this behavior onto men and get this “rape is about control” bullshit.

    Other examples: Does a women accuse you of attacking her when you offer constructive criticism? Guess what she’s doing when she offers it to you. Why do women think a guy with catch feelings if she sleeps with him? because that’s what happens to them.

    there’s other examples but I think I’ve made my point. Hopefully a few people out there can elaborate and provide more examples.

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  81. on December 2, 2010 at 9:27 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Has anyone noticed the cognitive dissonance on the Internet porn issue with feminists?

    On the one hand, women like Naomi Wolf (and others) claim all the porn is making men turn away from women, because the prefer the fantasy over the real thing. On the other, feminists are screeching “porn leads to rape!”

    Any moron could deduce that if men are so spent on porn they can’t even be bothered to have regular sex, they wouldn’t want to rape either. Not feminists. They’re hung up on the whole “rape = power,” and fail to notice that in order to rape, and man needs to be in a state of sexual excitement. If it were just about power, why not just beat up, kidnap, torture or hold the woman hostage?

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  82. Alphas don’t need to rape is right… need’s got nothing to do with it. For those that do, it’s because they can.

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  83. firepower “but females rotten, surly attitudes in courtship”

    I occasionally come across a girl like this. My response is to accuse them of being rude and to lay into them hardcore.

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  84. Also, people listen. Admiting that Rape = Sex would be admiting that all the Feminazi bullshit is simply a thinly-veiled attempt to control the sexual market because that’s pretty much all that they can offer without putting effort.

    Of course that they won’t admit that.

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  85. Advocatus “Why buy the cow, or seduce the cow- when you can purchase all the milk you want by the liter?”

    People here have answered your question at least 100 times before. Why do you keep asking it?

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  86. What about guys who are charming, have wives and hot girlfriends, and who choose to rape? With psychotic lunatics who could otherwise easily get consensual sex (outliers), their choice to rape seems like it adds credence to the “rape is about power” thing.

    Sex can include domination. You have to wring that towel pretty hard to twist out the idea that rape is about power.

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  87. First, any male who uses the word “creepy” is a f’ing loser. That disgusting term must die.

    And Jerry –thank you for your superb posts on here. They are full of facts and correct interpretations of those facts, and men need to pay attention to the dreadful facts you report.

    A question for you. I’ve been unable to find the case where a federal judge qualified the (disgusting) Protect Act’s (infamous) provision stating that: *18 is the age of consent everywhere an American travels.*

    Please point me to the reference if you have it. My feeling is that this remains a nasty, deeply dangerous grey area.

    Why is it dangerous, travelling manginae? I’ll tell you why. Pump and dump that fine 17 year old slut in Copenhagen and then discover as you disembark in Newark that some American feminist cunt in Denmark with a “social justice NGO” and with whom you went to university got wind of your “crime” and notified the America embassy. Get ready to suck cock in prison.

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  88. Creepy.

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  89. Advocus, I’m going to answer your question, not because I think you are seeking an answer – I’m sure you are making a statement using a rhetorical device – your questions are rhetorical.

    I’ve known my new young girlfriend for a few weeks. As my cardiovascular system has improved do to the constant fucking, my stamina has improved, and therefore our bonding has deepened. When I smell her neck I am hypnotized into a deep calm torpor. As she lovingly strokes me my chest is filled with warmth, and my whole body feels suffused with happiness. As I hold her I feel into her being, and we mesh, in a place of calm and ease and joy and thrill. Right now she is wordlessly cooking me breakfast. Nearly everything she does fills both my house and myself with a feeling of shared joy and affection. I am thrilled to see her thrilled, happy to see her happy, excited to see her excited.

    You, Advocus, lack mirror neurons, and lack the ability to feel love. You are a special case – you are a sociopath.

    So stop using your stupid rhetorical device around here. Your question has been answered.

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  90. Days of unloaded weapons

    Any moron could deduce that if men are so spent on porn they can’t even be bothered to have regular sex, they wouldn’t want to rape either. Not feminists. They’re hung up on the whole “rape = power,” and fail to notice that in order to rape, and man needs to be in a state of sexual excitement. If it were just about power, why not just beat up, kidnap, torture or hold the woman hostage?

    There must be a reason why women need to twist facts into their one dimensional mobius strip of a narrative. It is true that domination is part of sex. Feminists are trying to get out from male domination. Therefore they exaggerate the natural sexual domination and pathologize it.

    This is a strategy used towards the aim of a power grab.

    Men need to stand up and grab it back. We need to be machiavelian about it, and selfishly realize what is in our best interest, and directly and consciously go about getting it. Using any and all possible means.

    You don’t fight Atilla the Hun with diplomacy. You fight him on his own terms and on any other terms that are to your advantage.

    Men get way too hung up on being right and moral and good people with good characters. We are losing the war between the sexes because of this.

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  91. What a creepy NAMBLA-esque post! 😦 Why this false dichotomy? If the baby can’t have a bottle then he must be given a pacifier? No way! Desiring children in an adult way is not-negotiably wrong, digital, cartoon or otherwise! I find it incredulous to believe anyone could be sated by the virtual stuff and not wanting the real-life equivalent. The only reason a pedo could stay to the virtual stuff is that he knows it’s not only illegal but pedos are the least safest type of prisoner in jail.

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  92. Gil, deciding who is wrong and who is righteous is one thing. Social policy is another.

    If you act on your instincts of outlawing child porn, you will cause more damage to children, in the name of your morality.

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  93. Face it: If women didn’t have vaginas, men would hunt them with dogs, for sport. 🙂

    There was a pedophile here who bought a house across from the soccer fields, outside the technical boundary of his parole conditions. The city got wind of it during their construction of a sound wall (major street) and so made the wall taller just to spite him. He got one of those “change the lightbulbs in the street lights” lifts to get above it and oogle with his binoculars. Except that he exceeded the limits of the lift on a windy day and it went over, rendering him a paraplegic (no, you can’t make this stuff up). The end result is that he now has a wheelchair-capable lift to take him up with his camera and telephoto lens. My friend, who’s the constable in charge of monitoring the pedos says that recidivism is 100% … he’s convinced that they have no control of it and thinks they should just be shot.

    We’ve had some interesting discussions on where computer-generated “child pornography” comes in since no actual children were exploited in the making of said porn. Jury is still out… literally.

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  94. Turkey, for instance, is not a center for it. In fact Turkey is one of the 3 countries outside the US where 18 is the age of consent. You can look far and wide for anyone being purveyed against her will in Turkey. You won’t find it.

    Do these stories you tell yourself make you feel better when you’re out whoremongering?

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  95. “Face it: If women didn’t have vaginas, men would hunt them with dogs, for sport. :-)”

    …. and the betas would just throw rocks at them.

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  96. ” he’s convinced that they have no control of it and thinks they should just be shot.”

    I would not be suprised ; their wiring is simply messed up.

    Seize all their assets and use these to pay for putting them into a minium security facility with no internet access. If they try and escape they get sent to a regular prison …. and we all know the code among prisoners whern it comes to kiddy fiddlers.

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  97. J_D

    Know why feminists think rape is about power? Because women use sex to control men. So if they use sex for power, then clearly men must use it for the same thing.

    Cool nickname – looks like you’ve got a black eye.

    Interesting observation. I think it’s safe to say that sex actually does include an element of power. Every element of game is about how to win at the battle of the sexes, and to gain the upper hand with sex, rather than lose power because of it.

    But to say that sex is about power is exaggeration that is easily refuted. Men would simply do violent crimes against women rather than rape, if it was about power.

    Sex includes power, but sex is ABOUT sex.

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  98. I need to do a post or comment about how to have sex such that you gain psychological power over the woman.

    Briefly, you need to ensare all possible aspects of her being, all at once. Call her “Daddy’s little bitch”, roughly dominate her into a mania, all the while romantically looking in her eyes and kissing her. And slap and spit on her from time to time.

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  99. You don’t fight Atilla the Hun with diplomacy. You fight him on his own terms and on any other terms that are to your advantage.

    Men get way too hung up on being right and moral and good people with good characters. We are losing the war between the sexes because of this.

    Ironically enough, man use to play by his rules- namely the use of physical violence to ensure that women understood their place within the Patriarchy- namely the father/husband as head of household with the wife/daughter subservient.

    It was considered right and proper that a women be slapped/beatened if she disrespected/disobeyed the will of the Patriarch- man’s morality was validated by doing so- since as the man he had more sense, logic, intelligence, then the woman- his role as the Patriarch was to enforce his will since he was doing what was best for the household.

    Only in more recent times has the moral reasoning been reprogrammed such that all of a men’s strengths are illegal and immoral while all of women’s flaws are virtues.

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  100. True, NYC.

    I wonder what societies must have felt was right and proper when facing Atilla? While women’s strategies are generally driven by unconscious impulse, they are none the less crafty and must be fought sometimes on their own terms.

    Therefore, as men, we must abandon our desires to be righteous, good, just people, and just win the damn war. Be pragmantic. Game. Dominate.

    You can be righteous and dead, or immoral and victorious. The victorious teach the children.

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  101. on December 3, 2010 at 1:24 am evilwhitemalempire

    Feminists don’t give a shit about child sexual abuse. They are only interested in the child porn/rape issues as they pertain to the age of consent. And they are only interested in the age of consent in order to keep men away from more attractive young women.

    They also know perfectly well that if a potential rapist can have his balls drained regularly that this will demotivate him to rape.
    But they don’t care. They want to ban porn for the same reason they want to continuosly raise the age of consent. To deny men all sexual outlets except their rotten old pussies so they can make slaves of men who will do anything for their rotten old pussies.

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  102. @N/A

    I don’t know the details of how the US federal judges watered down the Protect Act to make the international age of consent for American men 16 instead of 18, which is what the law passed Congress with.

    I can live with the current judicial understanding that 16 is my age of consent around the world because I’m a US citizen. What concerns me more is that I understand the one world government people scored a coup with the Patriot Act and the post 9-11 Expat Banking Laws that will help them rule over me in other ways if we don’t work to stop them. @GBFM might want to write about this.

    @Polymath

    If the Protect Act were to get to the Supreme Court, the two religious guys Brownback put there would probably uphold it (Roberts + Alito) plus even Scalia. Remember that Scalia tried unsuccessfully to uphold the law that would have made the film “American Beauty” illegal. That law was overturned by the liberals on the SC. It had said that it was illegal to depict someone over 18 in a sexual situation that implies the person is under 18.

    If upheld, the law would have banned porn where an adult woman wore a schoolgirl outfit. That was the actual intent of the law and it was written by right wing feminists and their White Knighter sycophants. I wasn’t impressed to see that the conservative justices whom I otherwise respect, were sycophants to the older women in that decision.

    I’d see more of a chance for the liberals to overturn the Protect Act but it seems that only mentally retarded pedophiles returning from Bangkok were put in prison because of it and these people aren’t smart enough to fight it.

    The feminists and their right wing sycophants do that on purpose by the way. They selectively convict only those who probably couldn’t get their laws overturned in court. For instance, they did not charge Elliot Spitzer with his “sex crime” even though he had been the one who signed his “crime” into law (actually he was let go because he had been the one who signed it).

    They knew that Spitzer, if cornered by the fact he was being criminally charged for being a john, would turn 180 degrees and viciously attack the feminists and their motivations. He would have credibly argued that he’d made a mistake signing the law. He may have later lost in the Supreme Court due to Alito and Roberts backing the feminists against prostitution, but he would have gotten most American males behind him in the process, which could have badly shaken up the entire political landscape.

    Its very obvious why Spitzer was not formally charged with being a john while men with less money and access to the media might be slapped with a criminal record under the law that he signed. Spitzer’s law is apparently still in effect and not overturned.

    I haven’t seen Sotomajor in action but I can see her siding with Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas to overturn the Protect Act as exceeding the jurisdictional limits of the US government over its citizens. Kagan’s a radfem so she’d caucus with Roberts and Alito on this. That’s 4 vs 4. I don’t know how the 9th vote would go.

    I do know we need to start getting more justices like Anthony Kennedy, who is the reason why the US is still a free country.

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  103. Are you kidding xsplat?!?! Apparently a number of commenters are NAMBLA types. No, I do not believe pedos have a right to hold children at ransom to get a virtual fix. They just need a bullet or be thrown into jail with violently anti-pedo prisoners.

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  104. @PRCalDude

    Your link about Turkey proves my point. The Turkish men and the western men have honor and wouldn’t tolerate women being held against their will. All the Russian and Ukrainian prostitutes in Turkey have cell phones. More on that below.

    But note that you seem to want to pursue the radical feminist position of women as eternal victims and I cannot allow that.

    On this blog you can say that you find the concept of paid sex distasteful and even try to shame others as betas who recognize that game alone is not enough to get women more than 2 points above their looks station (I’m an 8 so I have no such excuse to get a lapdance other than because its fun now and then).

    You can even advocate outlawing prostitutes themselves and I’d be right there with you (so long as the girls are only rounded up and released as is typical when prostitution is illegal).

    But if you advocate the criminalization of males for being johns, that is entirely unacceptable. And exaggerating the existence of “human trafficking” is the main tool of the feminists to criminalize men for paying for sex or offering to.

    Saying that women don’t really want to be whores is just insane of course. You would recognize that. Your posts are normally right on about human nature and female psychology.

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  105. I don’t get the NAMBLA crowd. I must be a wacko: I have no interest in having sex with men, or boys, or women young enough to be daughters. I like my women of a certain age. The youngest I ever went was 17, and I was 15 years older; and I thought she was 21. Really. It was all legal at the time.

    I think it’s pretty easy to keep it to, say, 16 or 17 and leave it there. Getting much younger does actually seem pretty creepy to me. Don’t get me started about muslims and girls: that creeps me out, too.

    I just hate the idea of the state interfering with activities in the bedroom. I hate the state interfering with anything when it doesn’t have to.

    What ever happened to the notion: If you’re not hurting anyone else (and if everything is consensual), you can do whatever you want? Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

    Fake kiddie porn for psychopaths and NAMBLA wackos: go for it. Might get them away from the playgrounds.

    Whatever works.

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  106. The problem is legislating sex.

    Prostitution: There are plenty of feminists who want it legalized, BTW. It’s mostly SWPL / patronizing / White Liberal feminists who want it criminalized.

    Why?

    Obvious: They see the men paying for it as disgusting. They don’t see it as healthy, and like the Social Purity or Health movements in the 1920’s, or the “progressives” and temperance, they see controlling men as the principal role of government.

    Controlling male sexuality is par for the course for them. Sex is all about power.

    Prostitutes and strippers and the like scare the shit out of Hausfraus and women dating men: they react with “SLUT” judgments (the same women who hate having it applied to women fucking everything that moves but not for money), and see it as a threat to them.

    The whole “women are victims” and “sisterhood” call is bogus, and actual prostitutes know it. It’s why they regularly tell the Priggish Quarter denizens to fuck off. When offered help, they often tell the Mean-Well activists to shove it. You need to read about it. I’ve done one doc about prostitution (high-class call girls) with a Dutch crew, and the one request made by the call girls: We know our business, we know men, and we service them. Help make our lives safer, but butt out of our business and stop moralizing.

    You see this over and over. Then again, there’s Thailand. Disgusting. Or the Philippines .But that’s just a matter of class and conditions, really: It’s all the same thing.

    I have no experience with whores. I did, however, date one Ukrainian stripper in Germany for a time; she was cool and mind-numbingly good in bed, in every possible way. Also hard to keep up with. And some stereotypes to smash:
    – She wasn’t stupid
    – She wasn’t a complete slut; she had “standards”. And not that high a notch count, considering.
    – She did it for the money. Which was unbelievably good. She made more in some months than I have ever made.
    – She had no problem respecting herself.
    – She had many male admirers, who wouldn’t have married her but would have given their left nut to spend time with her.
    – Virtually all of her “customers” or “admirers” were married.
    – She was loathed by respectable women.
    – She was cool and casual and very energetic; she went on vacations and lived an otherwise normal life. She also had one of the nicest apartments I’ve ever seen, anywhere.
    – She was insanely confident.

    Some of her fellow strippers didn’t do so well; most dabbled in prostitution, I don’t know, I didn’t ask about her past (though I know she wasn’t keen on the thought now, … who knows about any time significantly before I met her; she was VERY good in bed, so, must have acquired skills somewhere), …

    She had actual boyfriends, and from what I could tell, she was pretty loyal when in relationships. She didn’t pick losers, either, and had some pretty impressive BFs before I met her. Who knows what’ll happen when she hits 35.

    Point being: From her and the stories she told me, one thing was dangerous to make about her or any of her associates: Assumptions.

    And for meddling women and feminists?

    Her words: If you’re not going to help, then fuck off.

    Doesn’t sound like a victim to me.

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  107. The Women’s Ku Klux Klan (WKKK) used to make up stories between 1870 and 1930 about Turkey being the center of “White Sex Slavery”.

    This old chestnut about Turkey has been revived by the new left and right wing feminists and their sycophants. The phrase “White Slavery” has been replaced by the phrase “Human Trafficking”. Its based on the same hatred of the idea that some old men might be getting hot young women.

    On the Turkish Riviera there are so many gorgeous and free Russian women who could afford their own cheap plane tickets and lodging that there is no market for professional prostitutes at all.

    In the entire Russian-speaking sphere, professional whores find no market because good looking women can discretely pick and choose through friends if they need a sugar daddy to help them now and then (this is 99% of what prostitution really is as I noted above).

    So, while things “might” have been different 10-15 years ago, there is now no market for “Russian sex slaves” even if some idiotic gang were to take the risk of having the US or other western Embassy in some country being alerted about a real case of “human trafficking” actually occurring.

    When I was on the riviera I got curious one night about what all the western feminists and their holy roller sycophants were saying about Turkey being the center of “human trafficking”. Did they really have gorgeous Russian 16 year olds held in bondage in the nearby Turkish city waiting for a callous but rich western tourist to plunder her?

    So I found a really unethical taxi driver and convinced him that I could be trusted as a really unethical and perverted type. I wanted to see what was available (and if I found real slaves I’d report that to the US Embassy like I did once 10 years ago when there was a problem). And you know the best he could show me? A dive bar with has-been lower class Ukrainian women 23+. Only married beta and gamma Turkish businessmen would be their customers because all the Russian tourist males in the resorts had plenty of free opportunities from lonely single Russian women on vacation (not whores). Russian women tend to love Russian men, a fact that runs contrary to the message of the US feminists, US holy rollers and the marketers of international dating services.

    The ghastly looking Ukrainians all had cell phones. They looked out for each other. Nobody knew of an actual case of kidnapping that had happened in years. It was work, however, to bother talking with these skanks about the realities of the profession in Turkey. I wanted to get back to gaming better looking women for free STRs.

    So much for my attempt at “whore-mongering”. I went back to the beach resort and hooked up with a decent non-feminist girl from Moscow with a great job and an apartment worth $400 k.

    Bottom line: 10-15 years ago it was an issue that some – very few – mostly lower class women from the former Warsaw Pact were tricked and “trafficked” into western brothels where some ended up doing things entirely against their will (but most of those were lying because they’d really been rounded up and they needed to explain why they were arrested and deported from Turkey).

    They needed to save face so they said they had been “trafficked”.

    But those days are over just like the days of “mail order brides” are over. Russian, Ukrainian and EE women don’t *need* to sell themselves to get “a better life” anymore than any American waitress or hairdresser does during the current financial crisis.

    Turkish businessmen betas and gammas are apparently OK with the has-been 5s and 6s who work as prostitutes on the riviera (Istanbul is another story but I hear the 9s and 10s who sell themselves to much richer non-beta men there all have cell phones as well).

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  108. And one of the reasons why Turkish betas and gammas settle for the 5s and 6s from the former Soviet Union that work on the riviera voluntarily as prostitutes: the Russian 9s and 10s who pay for their own vacations on the Turkish riviera won’t have anything to do with local men (unlike American feminists in Mexico who want to prove their liberal credentials by bedding a local guy there). These days, if a Russian 9 or 10 were kidnapped in Turkey, Putin would come down so hard on Ankara that the kidnappers would be found within 24 hours and liquidated. Under Yeltsin and in the early 200s, things may have been more unlawful and chaotic.

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  109. Gil, you are rambling incoherently. I have no idea what you are trying to say, or even if you are retarded.

    You didn’t address anything I said except to ask me if I was kidding. Question marks and exclamation points don’t count as meaningful either.

    Holding kids at ransom?

    I doubt your little mind is capable of understanding my clearly stated point.

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  110. A good patriarchal society would outlaw prostitution as a health hazard and arrest the street prostitutes themselves for the usual overnight stay in jail or two hour stay in jail.

    This would be done to keep up appearances. What people did less openly would be of no concern and nobody would have any problem with local police officials padding their salaries by taking pay offs from high end places.

    Although I don’t agree with this model and prefer the Ancient Rome model, I would respect any Victorian-style Anglo Saxon social conservative who would say he wants to return to this patriarchal model, which was common in 6000 years of written history.

    Plus, the benefit of keeping prostitution illegal is that, when you legalize it, the feminists can control it. More below.

    The current ideological attack on the men in this equation is unprecedented in human history.

    Criminalizing the men = Matriarchal Society

    And matriarchal societies are unsustainable.

    Israel is about to criminalize its men for being johns. Israel is doomed.

    Who wouldn’t want these luscious Israeli actresses in bed who are pretending to be sex slaves:

    http://www.videowired.com/video/4219427828/

    Regarding why “legalizing” prostitution in Germany allowed the feminists to control it: they added a clause that women had to be age 21 or over to ply the trade.

    Everyone knew why that 21 rule was added. You guessed it. Because older women didn’t want to legalize the ability of their husbands to get 19 year olds without game.

    Every German male I talked to about that said that this effectively outlawed prostitution because ages 18-20 are the prime years that prostitutes worked in Germany and what the customers wanted. By the time they are old enough to work under the new “legal” scheme (which also makes the profession less attractive because they have to pay 40% of their income in taxes along with telling the world who they are and what their profession is – shaming mechanism), they are, at 21, already over the hill as far as the ability to charge non-gamma men money.

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  111. “Japan has a huge, legal child porn manga and game industry.
    Which is what most pedos jerk off at. Just look at 4chan et al.

    So no need to create it, its creepy but millions of guy dig that stuff.”

    I wonder if that doesn’t play into their population implosion.

    Though I don’t believe that just because a pedo sprays his walls watching child porn, that he wouldn’t go out to get some real-life child experience.

    “there’s other examples but I think I’ve made my point. Hopefully a few people out there can elaborate and provide more examples.”

    the whole concept of patriarchy as a conspiracy by men coming together to keep women down, while not realizing that feminists and the sisterhood is they themselves doing that and then merely projecting it on men.

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  112. Well, the 1st thing to ask is what is the point of these posts?

    I mean, this site already has a good traffic, why get this thing so unrelated to Game, so to attract bad traffic and bad eyes and attention of all the wrong people?

    Anyway, I can not stand children and I do not understand who could be possibly attracted to them in a deviant way. As already said here in somepast post, the perfect woman for the perfect alpha man is sterile (or at least do not make children – but with the trust women deserve…).

    Please let the population growth duty to betas and other people without any other significance in life.

    The difference between a female child and a grown woman is the breast size. People wanting a too young female, well they want a person without breasts, I thnik, like gays, because men too do not have breasts.

    So, the main point is this whole stuff about pedos is connected to a good dose of hypocrisy:

    1 in the past pedos were accepted, homos not (like in middle age or similar) – and today is the inverse, so it depends on the society whims.

    2 never forget for a 60 year old female judge, a man going with a 59 year old female is a pedo – this is the ONLY problem I matter.

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  113. N.N.

    the whole concept of patriarchy as a conspiracy by men coming together to keep women down, while not realizing that feminists and the sisterhood is they themselves doing that and then merely projecting it on men.

    Not quite. There is a legitimate battle of the sexes. Much like the battle between socialist unions and corrupt monopolists, it’s legitimate, and must be waged.

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  114. Legalising kiddie porn is putting a band-aid on the problem. It doesnn’t cure or prevent paedophiles.

    There are plenty of studies (and my experience) showing that paedophiles and other “rainbow people” (Bi, gay, lesso, pedo, Sex-with-tin-cans, etc.) are the adult symptoms of childhoods of abuse and deprivation of their NATURAL fathers.

    And it makes sence when you see the stats that show that kids that grow up without their NATURAL fathers and Mothers are 2100% more likely to suffer abuse as children than kids who grow up with BOTH natural parents.

    Put in common sence terms, Paedophiles realise that boy scouts and teaching is no longer a shfe haven for picking up young boys. So why not romance a single mom, and get two for the price of one? Get a woman to hide behind, and access to the bedrooms of her kids? Better still, these kids are vulnerable in many ways, suffering father-hunger and ready for abuse.

    But, basically, if the kid’s real dad and real mom are there, or are allowed to have regular shared parenting, no low-life “mommies-new-boyfriend” is going to get a look-in.

    Protect children from abuse, prevent a new generation of pedophiles anbd other “rainbow people” sickos. Simply protect childrens right to BOTH NATURAL PARENTS.

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  115. You know what folks will not admit?
    After you went through puberty and before you were “age of majority”, you lusted on, preyed on and most likely got some taste of pussy that was likely the most accessible to you at the time and that is now legally considered verboten.

    This experience crystallized in your mind forever as “your first”. I lost my virginity when I was 17 with a 15 year old enthusiastic spinner from the South. When I was 18 I had a 16 year old Gothic girlfriend of Ukrainian descent that was smoking hot (and her mom consented, BTW). Of course, it affected me and what I find “sexy”. Sure, I’ve been law-abiding, since the prospect of jail and full-scale social demonization is utterly un-sexy. But you know what? Of course I get turned on by a hot teen girl who displays things I associate with being “sexy”. And so do almost all of you, though you’d dare not admit it. No, instead, you’ll White Knight with comments about “we need to shoot creepy pedos in the head” or whatever. Fine…if you draw the line at PRE-pubescence, Nature sides with you and so do I. Otherwise, you are just trying to artificially maintain flesh-hating Abrahamic morality by legislating/supporting artificial age markers that become ‘legal age of consent’.
    Mother Nature knows best. Get YOUR fat-assed Gods and eunich-preaching off my dick, puh-lease.

    And please gimme a break with the “she’s old enough to be my daughter” crap. Once upon a time, you WERE banging girls THAT age…or don’t you remember that anymore, grandpa?
    Today, a cute chick in her first year of college came into my workplace. When I indicated to my boss that I found here attractive, he said “she’s too young for you”. Oh really? Where does this imaginary line of “too young” really get drawn and then redrawn again and again during our lives? This chick is 18-19 years old, but somehow she is also widely considered “too young for me”. Can you smell the BS behind this “too young” stuff yet?

    How many of the men languishing in prison or in the criminal justice system for “child sex crimes” in the USA are there because they will pursuing or looking too lustfully at a girl (or images of a girl) between 15-18 years old? I’ll bet that describes the vast majority of these so-called “pedo” cases.
    Let’s be “for real” for a second. Remember when you were around 15, 16, or 17 years old, likely still in high school? Perhaps you will also remember just how many of the girls in this same age group in your school at that time were messing with “adult” men (some were just over 18, but many were in their 20s and 30s as I recall from my experience) . Does the picture come back into focus for you yet? Are you seriously trying to tell me that all of those adult men messing with high school girls were “pedos”?
    I remember it well. I lived in an area with several military bases nearby, and it was goddamn difficult for a high school boy to compete with all of these adult men that had independence from their parents, cars, money, etc etc. That’s right…a lot of the socially-marked would be “pedos” in my area were men serving in uniform who were banging the 15-18 year old high school chicks. You gonna put men behind bars and register them on sex offender lists and tattoo scarlet letters upon them for THAT? Then you’ll have to start with the military guys. Oh. not so eager to carry on your hypocritical moral crusade in defense of “children” now, are you? I haven’t even began to discuss the men in uniform so often sent overseas yet. It is NORMAL for them to tap the young available local pussy…DUH! If they are old enough to go out to clubs and drink, they are seen as old enough to fuck overseas. I served in uniform overseas, and I’d be a fucking hypocrite to come back here and tell American men that they are creepy psycho pedos if they want to bang 16-17 year old chicks.

    Getting out into the world really does give a better perspective on things, me thinks. You return “home” with new eyes, and your nose becomes a fine-tuned BS detector. Coming back to America, the stench of so much ubiquitous copious amounts of BS in society made me fall out of love with this society and its hangers-on quick. It’s the land of hypocritical liars, and certainly not the land of the free. From sea to shining sea this continent is filled with nosy hypocritical Puritanical moralizers who have lots of time on their hands so as to worry about the sexual interests and activities of others. Those are your REAL perverts, gentlemen. Some are Left-wing, some are Right-wing, and I believe all are quite deserving of the sort of things that commentators here have stated are appropriate for dealing with “pedos”.

    The truth is that defending “children” is rarely the real motivation behind crusading against “pedos”, but this is the most common excuse used to justify the crusading. The pervert opportunist crusaders against “pedos” are the real child exploitation racket. When some a-hole or bitch in a suit comes talking about defending children, buyer beware…they will use this same crusader schtick against you. Honestly, I am surprised that they relied only on “rape” charges to chase Mr. Assange around the world. That kind of charge will only scare away about 85% of his supporters. If they had claimed he had links or connections to child prostitution or kiddie porn (yes, they could just make it up out of thin air, put it in the media and almost all of YOU would believe it immediately), even his most ardent supporters would likely abandon him. It used to be that a power elite would get rid of its competition by claiming “mental illness’. Now, all they have to do to ruin a dissident’s work is say “he is a perverted monster into kids”, knowing that we are thoroughly conditioned to join the righteous majority with “Good Guy Badges” who wring our hands in disgust at “pedos”.
    But lemme guess…you never thought that anyone would use such dirty yet extremely effective tactics to go after political opponents and freethinkers, did you?
    Quo bono, folks?
    A Jerry Springer electorate “elects” and serves under the tyrants it deserves. The elites have their numbers and know which buttons to push.
    The ‘pedo’ button is just one option in today’s social conditioning-and-compliant-response menu.

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  116. “What if it turns out pedophilia is caused by a genetic or neural defect? How do you “correct” someone like that?
    Personally, instead of wasting man-hours and money crafting artificial kiddie porn to tame pedos, I would just as soon identify them and shoot them into space.”

    THERE’S the Roissy I know and love!

    Every so often I wonder why I don’t go full libertarian, and then something reminds me.

    I am not anti-porn when it comes to consenting adults, even when some of the, er, flavors are out there. The fact that it may in fact reduce sexual violence is both believable and a welcome side effect.

    However, even if the theory holds that child-porn would pacify predators to a large degree, I don’t advocate decriminalizing or regulating it. I think any society has the right to determine the bounds of taboo, and in fact a society needs to do so in order to remain intact.

    The sexual desire of children is something that should not be condoned in any form, and the way to deal with it is to commit anyone found to be unable to control it. Period. Civil libertarians should go fuck themselves unless they are willing to have one of these fiends live next door to where their children sleep, literally.

    One of our problems in society is we are too permissive when it comes to the dregs of humanity. We may be all created equal, but if you prove yourself to be unfit for society, then appropriate measures should be taken to remove you from it.

    I think a society that thinks pacifies pedophiles rather than punishing them is a repugnant one on many levels, and I would not want to live in one.

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  117. @Alex

    You’re absolutely correct. Anyone who talks about shooting “pedos” better put “pre-pubescent children” in the same sentence. The first comment I made to this thread was the reminder that insecure older women use this topic to criminalize men for being attracted to older fertile teens who were legal the day before yesterday (or in the case of Delaware, legal for men up to age 29 but illegal to men 30 and over).

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  118. Alex, you said what I was about to say. I got interested in girls when I was 13, and I found 13-year-old girls sexually attractive, and I have a very good memory. It is trivially easy for me to look at a 13-year-old girl with the eyes of my 13-year-old self. Now physically 13- and 14-year old girls are usually still immature, but 15- and 16- year old girls are not only physically ready, they can often be overwhelmed by hormonally mediated desire just as teenage boys are. In a society in which sex at 15 is not abnormal (which will usually be a society where marriage at 15 is OK) there is nothing intrinsically emotionally unhealthy about 15-year-olds having sex, though of course in practice it will usually be risky because 15-year-old girls are not great at making wise choices.

    It’s always better for a girl to wait until she can find a guy who can commit to her; but there are plenty of young men who are willing to do that for a girl who is a few years younger IF she is a virgin.

    To put this another way: 15-17 year old girls are mature enough to have sex with someone who can commit to marrying them, but it is very unwise for them to have sex with someone who cannot commit to them emotionally (the in between case is a same-age boyfriend who is completely in love and emotionally committed but not ready for marriage or a commitment to marriage, and I am making no judgment about this common in-between case).

    As for older men, the only real objection to their going with girls under 18 is that they are unlikely to be willing to marry the girls. And once a girl is 18 she is mature enough to decide for herself that this is OK.

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  119. Question: Are there registered sex offenders in the US whose crime was consensual sex with a 16 year old?

    If so, can’t they get a federal judge to overturn any official state-sanctioned harassment if they later reside in a state where that is perfectly legal (which is still most states)?

    Doesn’t it have to be the case that a “sex offender” from California has to have been convicted of something that was also illegal in Ohio if he is to be harassed as an offender in Ohio?

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  120. Not to condone mass murder but Charles Manson is pretty alpha. Especially the way he rips on the beta lawyer.

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  121. I will add that it is insane to have an age of consent for alcohol that is so much higher than the age of consent for sex. Sex is a lot more important. I’m not sure that the feminists can be blamed for the 21-year-old drinking age here, but it’s ridiculous. 20-year-olds can be pretty mature. 😛

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  122. Jerry, great question. I’m afraid that legally the answer would be that they are still sex offenders, the key word is “offender”. You are in trouble in the new state not because of what you did in the old state, but because it was illegal at the place and time you did it.

    I wonder if there are any cases of men who have been labeled sex offenders for sleeping with their 17-year-old fiancees.

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  123. Jerry:

    “In Finland, the feminists were stopped as a new law was passed that only made it a crime if the woman were mentally retarded. They put a pimp in jail for that, and justifiably.”

    Pimping is illegal and has been for a very long time in Finland. What feminists were trying to do was to get a new law passed that prohibited purchasing any sexual services (while selling sexual services remaining legal) according to the Swedish model. This is where feminists were stopped. It is now illegal only to buy sex from a sex worker employed by a pimp. Anyone can legally sell their own sexual services and sex can be legally bought from freelancing whores as before.

    The pimp under whose employ the retarded girl was received a particularly harsh sentence which made national news.

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  124. “Feminists once again prove to be completely wrong about just about everything. EVERYTHING. ”

    I think being so precisely wrong about everything actually requires precise knowledge of the truth.

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  125. Mr. C:

    “All Paedophiles and consumers of child porn need to be rounded up and removed from society.”

    I hope no hacker or computer virus never frames you for possessing child porn and thus eligible for “removal from society” as you suggest should be done. Possession of child porn is a crime but the punishment should always fit the crime. One person in possession of child porn is responsible for a very small share of the total demand and thus supply of child porn, however disgusting child porn as a phenomenon is.

    Pedophilia is not a crime in itself. Acting on pedophilia is.

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  126. “Not quite. There is a legitimate battle of the sexes. Much like the battle between socialist unions and corrupt monopolists, it’s legitimate, and must be waged.”

    I think that’s where they got it from. Replace the corrupt monopolists with patriarchs, socialist unions with wives and daughters and tada! gender studies department was thus born.

    “It is trivially easy for me to look at a 13-year-old girl with the eyes of my 13-year-old self. ”

    boys never grow up, do they?
    – a concerned feminist

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  127. Hmmmm…

    “My friend, who’s the constable in charge of monitoring the pedos says that recidivism is 100% … he’s convinced that they have no control of it and thinks they should just be shot.”

    I think castration is a pretty good option. I saw a documentary on an American mental hospital for the criminally insane that warehoused child molesters after release from prison. A precondition for early release from that place was agreeing to castration. One inmate wanted to end his compulsion and saw castration as a good solution.

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  128. Castration….ouch!!!

    hehe!!

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  129. “One inmate wanted to end his compulsion and saw castration as a good solution.”

    yeah so was thought of Alan Turing.

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  130. on December 3, 2010 at 9:26 am anonymouses anonymous

    Back in 1988, I sat on a commission on pornography. The evidence we saw from various sources, including studies similar to the ones you site, proved the opposite long term results.

    The availability of cp and porn in general without the availability of a willing sex partner, paid or otherwise, caused an escalation of sexual violence. Unfortunately, the legalization of prostitution will increase of STDs, but as our society becomes more sexually promiscuous, there is less difference in the STD transmission rates between casual sex and prostitution.

    Companies sell toys made in China with unsafe levels of lead and their response is, “Oops! It’s China’s fault.” And they pay no retribution for it. Do you really think a company is going to care if one of their employees causes 100 dicks to rot off?

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  131. Anonymous – a commission on pornography?

    While your out there looking after the public good, why don’t you arrange commissions on S&M?

    Keep up the good work, Dad!

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  132. what

    Castration….ouch!!!

    hehe!!

    What, please either shut up or go away. A good proportion of men get irritated at inane chatter. Now that you have been informed of this fact, any further inane chatter from you – which is all you’ve ever written here – is you being deliberately annoying. Seriously – most men seriously dislike the noise.

    Doug1 likes it, but you two can always get together by email.

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  133. That reminds me, what happened to Morsellaux?

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  134. what happened to Morsellaux.

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  135. I set up that straight line on purpose, thanks for catching it, but it was also a serious question.

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  136. Xsplat,

    Relax. Some fun can’t hurt. Don’t generalize…I’m not ALWAYS writing those comments. hehe!! You need to review some of the comments. Hey…my guy LOOVES me just like that! you’re just weird! ssoooooo serious. How boring!! lol!!!

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  137. Let’s be honest: What is the difference between the cock of a 17 year old “boy” and that of a 30something year old “man”?

    Did my dick really get much bigger in that time? Did my dick get more mature in those intervening years? Hardly (pardon the pun, LOL).

    Yet in the legal realm and the cesspool of popular sentiment, it was fine for my 17 year old cock to bang 15 year old girls, but it is verboten for my 30something year old cock to do the same thing. My God, I wish George Carlin could return from the grave to tear this mindset apart with his brilliant irreverent smart-man’s-comic talents.
    He could touch subjects that were too far outside religious/ politically correct sensibilities for others to go there. Unfortunately, you’re stuck with a much-less-funny me, but I’m trying my best to shine the light on this insanity.

    Is there an objective line to be drawn in the sand and legally enforced? Yes! It is the line that Mother Nature drew with billions of years of evolutionary experience behind her. That objective line is puberty—the line found in all animal life, between animals that are biologically able to reproduce and those who are not yet biologically matured enough to do so.
    For those of you who are more Biblically inclined out there, I ask you at what age was a human male and human female considered “able to lie with” their spouse during almost all of Christian history? I’ll give you a hint…at 18 years old, the parents of the so-called “child” would have been panicking about the possibility that she would be an old maid or he was kinda fruity if they had not been joined in a marriage by that point. It would be common for 13-15 year olds to be considered adult men, to work in adult occupations, and it was common for them to marry soon thereafter. They often married females around their own age. Again, there was no restrictions saying that a man over a certain age couldn’t marry a girl who was 13 or 14 or 15. And if you married her, you could fuck her and nobody could/would say squat about it. There was nothing considered weird about it, UNTIL the last century or so.
    Perhaps the conservative Religious Right folks aren’t really as conservative and traditional as they claim to be on this matter (and others). They like to point their shaming fingers at “those Mormon guys with multiple wives and young brides”, without even realizing that 100 or so years ago “young brides” were the freaking NORM. Don’t even try to tell me that our bodies evolutionarily regressed so radically in the last hundred years that we so much less mature that our great grandparents’ bodies were when they were in their teens.

    Actually, recent studies show that the stage of pubescence is occurring EARLIER in First World societies than it was before, particularly in females. Society is saying one thing, but Mother Nature is saying quite the opposite. Who is more right? Who has more right to draw the line?

    My point is that if you come with that Bible-thumping stuff and posture as a traditionalist, I have you in checkmate on the issue of age and nail you church-boys as stalwart defender of the STATUS QUO.
    If you come with a post-modern liberal feminist perspective and crusade to “protect children”, I have you in checkmate because you actually undermine the legal status and rights of post-pubescent girls (and boys) under 18 years of age–labelling them and legally classifying them as “children”. What great liberators and saviors [sarcasm]! Quo bono?

    Anyone who says they are for the “protection of children’ and yet they support the sending of ANY children to the current public school babysitting-prison-with-chalkboards system is a hypocrite. What is really more dangerous to “children”: a few horny men over the age of 18, or the many little savage punks facing no serious consequences who terrorize the hallways and classrooms of public schools every day in this country (especially those inside the urban areas)? I don’t want to hear another faux-protector of children say another holier-than-thou moralizing word until they have completely cleansed the public school system of drug peddler gangsta thugs! Go save those millions of “kids” being victimized day-in and day-out by forced multiculturalism and the criminal gifts of “diversity..only then you can credibly speak about protecting kids! While you are at it, go fight for good jobs and sustainable productive industry HERE, so your “kids” will have some realistic prospects of long-term decent paying employment, the ability to have and support families on their own dime, and will come to value those who are more productive and creative rather than those cesspool-cheerleader celeb fucktards held up on a flashy TV screens. Any parent who supports mass immigration, global outsourcing and labor arbitrage (AKA free trade), and more enforced “diversity” deserves and inevitably will receive the wrath of his or her own “kids”— because you just can’t say “I don’t love you and I don’t give a fuck about you” more convincingly to your own kids when you support those things. Wanna protect “kids”? Then grow a sack and do something for your own, in the present and for their future! Until you’ve done that, you should have NO RIGHT to concern yourself about who they are fucking! That means if you want to really be a parent and protector of children today, you will have to be politically incorrect, putting the interests of your own kids above any concerns for your own social/ financial status, reputation, career, even your own personal freedom. If the Wifey doesn’t like it because she hates the death stares from the other hens at the country club or at the mall, send that selfish bitch packing NOW and let her know that she is “no mother” to your children. She should have even more of a motherly instinct to do what is necessary for her children then you do—but alas, thanks to feminism, many “women’ today have barely any of these instincts compellingly urging within them (might as well be a sterile childless old hag).

    Which brings me to my next Nature-inspired opinion: women without children have no right to speak about the interests of children or about protecting children. Bear some fruit from your womb, then you can have your say! Until then, they can fuck off! Childless feminist bitches in suits and high-society SWPL cunts have made their choices for self versus children…now let them drown in it.
    That…or maybe we should revisit and redefine the term “children” even more radically. *Hint Hint* This child-protecting game can be played both ways, ladies.
    Do you ladies not remember back in the bad old days of patriarchical oppression how adult women were often considered mentally “children”, thus justifying a restriction of their rights? Well, just remember that little factoid while you are referring to 15 and 16 and 17 year old females as “children” who can’t consent to jack-shit (unless it comes in the form of a non-White…then it is holy holy holy and beyond the realm of legitimate criticism, right?)

    Well, now you know why these so-called “child sex offenders” always seem to be White guys. Hardly anyone would dare call the cops or the schools on a non-White, for fear of being considered a ‘r-r-racist’. I’ll bet that hardly a single White preacher in this country dares to give that abstain-from-sex talk to one of his teenage non-White buck Church attendees, but they all love to preach and moralize hard about abstinence with the White “boys”.

    All this [I]moralizing[/I] about sex taking place in society is ABOUT POWER. Whose interests are being served? Certainly, it’s not the “kids”. My God, I’d love for Wikileaks (who I highly admire and support for having the brass in their current important disclosure campaign) to unleash a quarter million confidential documents that reveal the real story and candid statements of motivation behind these fucktards using “children” as an excuse to persecute millions of White men.
    BTW, if the ongoing Wikileaks saga (not to mention the current government shut-down campaign against “copyright infringement” websites) proves anything, it is that we need a free alternative decentralized internet beyond the reach of the powers-that-be anywhere, and we need it ASAP. We’ll see over the next year or so just how serious people really are about vigilantly protecting and securing their freedom. Your firearms AREN’T enough.

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  138. suspicious silence from what.

    and relevant:

    http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/seeing-all-men-as-predators/

    one comment:

    When matters came to a head, she broke down and shared with me and one other girl that her stepfather had “done things” to her and her sister growing up. I’ll never forget that conversation – it was my first real adult moment, my first realization that the horrible stuff that happens in the newspapers happens to real people and changes their lives. We never got any details, and instead comforted her that night as best we could. We’ve never spoken of it since, and she made it clear that she regretted sharing this information with us.

    My gut reaction when I learn that a childless man has married a woman with children? Even now? He’s a child molester, and he’s trying to get to her children through her. I cannot help it. My aunt, who has two daughters, remarried after a painful divorce, and to this day I don’t trust my new uncle. I would never leave my child alone with him. I know it’s irrational. I know it’s a horrible thing for me to feel, and I would never say it out loud. But since hearing my beautiful friend’s story, I can’t help it. It’s instinct. I hope to someday overcome it.

    Talk about being an adult lol, should we then conclude that whatever sexual experiences she had before that “adult moment” were rape?

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  139. http://calicantsar.blogspot.com/2009/11/zoo.html

    If consent is only valid when it is offered from a rational mind that is fully aware of what will occur, why it will occur, and what the consequences of all that will occur may have, then how many sexual encounters can be said to be between such aware creatures?
    I say a fraction.
    Should we no consider outlawing sex between the lowly animals, who are far more ignorant and unaware than any ten year-old child is?
    Is this how we, enlightened modern humans remain consistent with our principles?

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  140. Your link about Turkey proves my point. The Turkish men and the western men have honor and wouldn’t tolerate women being held against their will. All the Russian and Ukrainian prostitutes in Turkey have cell phones. More on that below.

    The fact that Turkish men don’t tolerate it doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. Human trafficking is big business.

    The Women’s Ku Klux Klan (WKKK) used to make up stories between 1870 and 1930 about Turkey being the center of “White Sex Slavery”.

    It was certainly a hub of white slavery. Heard of the Janissaries? No Eastern European would find your statements credible. The Maghreb states – controlled by Turkey – captured white slaves throughout the Mediterranean and all the way up into Ireland and the UK. There’s a book on it called “White Gold.” But you can also read any early American history dealing with our conflict with the Barbary powers. Turkey didn’t officially end slavery until the reforms of Ataturk which are now being erased by Ergodan. Incidentally, I’ve read that Islamism has made such a resurgence in Turkey in large part due to the fact that wives feel threatened by their husbands consorting with prostitutes.

    Any vice, whether legalized or not, will generate a black market surrounding it. Cigarrettes are legal almost everywhere, for instance, but are the most illegally trafficked product in existence. The point is that most people want to see the black market reduced in size because the people involved with it are generally shady and not people parents want their kids around. This includes whoremongers.

    But note that you seem to want to pursue the radical feminist position of women as eternal victims and I cannot allow that.

    That’s hardly my position at all though I am starting to realize that the “men’s rights” activists are mostly malcontents who want to legalize their deviancy, nihilism, and shirking of any sort of traditional obligations.

    Were the movement to content itself with reforming divorce laws, child custody and alimony, it would be a lot more palatable.

    This obsession PUAs and “men’s rights” activists have with third world (esp. Eastern European) women is probably some sort of deviancy manifesting itself also. Many women in this country are perfectly fine as long as managed and controlled properly by their men. PUAs I think are always after the Next Hottest Girl and are never content with what they have. This is a form of pathological narcissism. Men’s rights activists see these women as the Model Subservient Woman which is probably far from reality. Women tend to fall in line regardless of their background as long as they’re with a man worth respecting. The latter condition, I’m afraid, probably isn’t satisfied by most men’s rights activists the more I see their online writings.

    The reason for this, as depicted by Christie Brinkley’s reaction to her husband cheating on her with a 17 year old whose 18th birthday was a few days away, is abject jealousy/envy of the drawing power of younger women in general for men of all ages.

    No one is really arguing that younger women don’t have drawing power. Of course they do. But in your Semitic morality you fail to account for the fact that legalizing young whores will simply destabilize many a marriage. If men find it easy, legal, and normalized to go out and pay a whore while their wife sits at home with the kids, they will do so. And this will have a de-stabilizing effect on marriages, family, and society.

    This really has nothing to do with white knighting for women but everything to do with wanting a stable society that’s safe for raising children.

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  141. Roissy,

    It appears that the researcher you linked is of the same background as Roman Polanski. Unsurprisingly, he’s advocating an identical morality.

    @Jerry,

    Turkey has traditionally been a hub of white slavery, both through its Eastern European territorial conquests and its proxies in the Maghreb states who captured whites throughout the Mediterranean and all the way up into Ireland and the UK. This is well-documented. You might want to bone up on your history. Of course sexual slavery was a part of this. Slavery itself wasn’t abolished in Turkey until Ataturk.

    This has nothing to do with me white knighting for feminists or whatever. It has everything to do with preventing the normalization of deviancy. Every vice, whether legalized or not, has a black market surrounding it. Cigarrettes, for instance, are a staple of the black market and are almost legal everywhere.

    Normalizing prostitution and child porn will, of course, have a destabilizing affect on traditional marriage and thus parenting and thus the future of our society, for obvious reasons. Men who find it easy, legal, and normal to have sex with young whores while their wives sit at home with the kids will not have healthy marriages. In your Semitic morality you fail to account for this.

    Also, the outrage at men from women over their husbands cheating on them with young sluts seems rather justified, if you ask me. Of course monied successful men can go out and cheat on their wives when they want to, but that’s not how you repay a woman who’s been a faithful wife and mother whether or not her looks have started to decline with age.

    Are you of the same background as Dr. Diamond and Roman Polanski?

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  142. On keeping stray men away from young kids:

    Actually, with this I have no problem. All social mammals go great lengths to vet, check out and control errant or stray males; an unattached male is often bad news.

    Human societies are all universally suspicious of unattached males. They should be. We’re dangerous and, when uninvested in the community, prone to not following rules (of any kind).

    Corollary:

    Societies unwilling to incentivize investment by males will end up having to suspect all males all the time, not just errant and wandering males.

    We really do need to rope men into both making investments and thereby repaying them appropriately for their investments.

    Feminists deny all repayment to males for their investments, taking from them as obligations but denying them any rights. They provide rights to females as a matter of course, but are aggressive in not requiring obligations from women, moral or otherwise.

    They never admit this because they can’t see it.

    Civilization is in ruins as a result.

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  143. The general increase in violent crime in the Czech Republic may be related to a rise in “entrepreneurial spirit” attendant with the country’s development as a democratic state.

    In the same vein, our falling crime rates may be related to our falling entrepreneurial spirit and failing democracy over the last few decades. To put it another way, violent crime may be a barometer of sorts: related to individual proactivity, drive, risk taking, and an unwillingness to put up with/buy into bullshit; related to the level and prevalence of alpha behavior and individual rights.

    Another factor related to our falling crime rate. Abortion was legalized about 1975. An older teenager’s age later, the violent crime rate began to fall.

    So, you say, the legalization of abortion was good for society: perhaps leading to a reduction in violent crime and a reduction in other so-called social evils.

    This may be true. But it also may be true it lead to a large decline in the number of alpha males among us, along with a decline in the violent undertones and entrepreneurial spirit that are hallmarks of Alpha.

    Along with America’s standard of living, social institutions and general economic well-being, the alpha male has been under seige for several decades. The few current alphas among us, those missed by the abortion vacuum cleaner, have to deal with an onslaught from several fronts, dealing with overwhelming numbers, led by voting fembots and the male lightweights raised to support them.

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  144. @PRCALDude,

    Men cheating on their wives?

    Let’s see how many women justify cheating on husbands.

    Seriously, there’s absolutely no reason to ban prostitution or any other form of sexuality based on women needing to be free from male perversity.

    Seriously, like women don’t cheat. Like they’re all loyal and wonderful. Please.

    I’ve actually been with women who act as pure and innocent as the driven snow, and are able to rationalize any act they engage in with lightning alacrity and the flexibility of plastic wrap tangled all over itself.

    They text their BF or husband and then fuck like mink.

    I guarantee you this: There’s no detection method for finding “these” women. The most conservative religious moms often have a secret lover; the most loving and devoted wife often has an ex-BF or some FWB or someone she meets. *SHE* can rationalize it.

    But *MEN* are supposed to suck it up and be loyal, despite our basic natures?

    Give me a break.

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  145. @PRCCALDude,

    This obsession PUAs and “men’s rights” activists have with third world (esp. Eastern European) women is probably some sort of deviancy manifesting itself also.

    Because they’re hot and not obnoxious fat tubs of lard?

    How about Asians?

    Yeah. Deviancy. Sure.

    Preach it to those who’ve never gone beyond their own county.

    Many women in this country are perfectly fine as long as managed and controlled properly by their men. PUAs I think are always after the Next Hottest Girl and are never content with what they have. This is a form of pathological narcissism.

    Women set the moral tone, dude.

    Men just react to it. You have a problem with it? Don’t even think of asking men to Step Up and Take It On The Chin.

    Get over to a college and see what men have to deal with.

    In your delusional conservative reverie, go check out what Womyn have Created.

    We just respond to the nature of our women. Women set the tone, we just take advantage of it.

    Don’t even think of blaming men.

    Women tend to fall in line regardless of their background as long as they’re with a man worth respecting. The latter condition, I’m afraid, probably isn’t satisfied by most men’s rights activists the more I see their online writings.

    What?

    The sheer amount of work required from most guys with a 34-year-old entitled 50 lb overweight harridan is so absurd–

    Take a trip to Asia (or insert E European country here). Then let’s debate the point.

    Our women gave up even pretending to be female a while ago. Now, they’re nothing but barren, badly behaved and unsocialized boorish males.

    I have no sympathy for American women. And Womyn.

    What I say to all females angry with comments like this: Take it up with your Sistahs. They’re the entire source of the current social malaise.

    In short: stuff it.

    But in your Semitic morality you fail to account for the fact that legalizing young whores will simply destabilize many a marriage.

    Marriage has been utterly destroyed as an institution in this country by feminists and their enablers. It should be done away with. It’s completely negative for men. There’s absolutely nothing for a man in this scenario.

    I’m in a situation where I’d honestly contemplate marriage – with the express goal of having children. But marriage in my state is a nightmare for men. We have *no* rights of any kind in the People’s Republic. Even prenups are valueless. I could literally lose everything – forever – should my wife leave me for any reason, even if it’s just a Tuesday and her friend got divorced.

    If men find it easy, legal, and normalized to go out and pay a whore while their wife sits at home with the kids, they will do so. And this will have a de-stabilizing effect on marriages, family, and society.

    Sorry – prostitution is the very tiniest of concerns on this score. Get real.

    Marriage is dead as anything but a historical anachronism or a convenience for women. Take a damned look around you, dude.


    This really has nothing to do with white knighting for women but everything to do with wanting a stable society that’s safe for raising children.

    Again, talk to your sisters.

    They ditched it.

    Remember: There has been a clearly articulated war on the family by feminists for 4 decades. This has been expressly spelled out from the beginning: The goal was the elimination of the family unit.

    Result? 60% of men can expect to be orbiters and will have nothing to speak for.

    Don’t like it?

    Don’t complain to PUAs. Leave us the hell alone. Talk to our “women”. They butchered it.

    Actually *listen* to what these harpies say, not what they claim to say when they can’t even hear their own words.

    Read some Mackinnon. Should put you right.

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  146. @PRCalDude

    I hadn’t realized how fucked up you were.

    You were too much of a coward to say flat out that you feel that johns should be criminalized. That’s matriarchal.

    Saying that prostitutes should be criminalized is an entirely different matter. That’s patriarchal. Banning prostitutes has always been a matter of keeping up the appearance of a proper moral patriarchy and never meant executing women or jailing them more than a day or two.

    Also, no, my defense of a man’s right not to see his right to be a john doesn’t mean I’ve ever paid a professional whore for sex.

    I defend the concept of paid sex because its where the feminists see weakness in the male ranks (guys like you are the weakness) and laws like IMBRA got passed because fems were able to convince asshole Republicans that “mail order brides” were really prostitutes in need of protection (via forced background checks of Americans who want to communicate with foreign women).

    If you want to go all weekend with a discussion about this, let’s go ahead.

    Now listen asshole and listen good:

    “Human Trafficking” is a radical feminist watchword – its been proven to be exagerrated by insecure older women by a factor of 100. Read the Washington Post article.

    Its been used to get VAWA and IMBRA passed and its being used to criminalize men in various countries like Sweden and Israel and in various US states for walking in the direction of a hotel with women.

    Result: Huge loss of freedom for men.

    FUCK YOU if you think that’s for any greater good.

    All manginas who let their panties get bunched up about so-called “Human Trafficking”, are serving the interest of older women who want to make men criminals for every form of relationship they might have with much younger women.

    Such manginas must be kept out of the Republican Party.

    The PUA/MRA scene MUST keep the value of American women low by raising the value of their competitors.

    Assholes who say that there are plenty of American women to “tame” are missing the point entirely on that score.

    They are trying to pretend they are more manly by standing their ground.

    But what they are really saying is that they’d rather buy a Ford than go to Italy to buy a Ferrari.

    That isn’t to say there aren’t great American women to meet. Nothing about dating foreigners precludes dating American women as well.

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  147. @PRCalDude

    [Human Trafficking is big business]

    Yes, for feminist organizations who were getting tons of our tax money to combat what turned out to be something 100 times smaller than they said it was.

    Read the Washington Post article and what I wrote above about Condi Rice’s shenanigans.

    [people involved with it are generally shady and not people parents want their kids around. This includes whoremongers]

    This includes almost every corporate executive you shake hands with who keeps a personal assistant on the side. Let me guess, you would ban porn as well wouldn’t you? Assholes like that need to be kept out of the Tea Party.

    [“But note that you seem to want to pursue the radical feminist position of women as eternal victims and I cannot allow that.’ That’s hardly my position at all]

    Actually it is your position.

    You are a White Knighter PRCalDude.

    The definition of a White Knighter is an asshole who agrees with feminists about the significance of “Human Trafficking” and the eternal victimization of women and how men need to be regulated to stop it.

    There isn’t a bigger issue except the child support issue.

    [though I am starting to realize that the “men’s rights” activists are mostly malcontents who want to legalize their deviancy, nihilism, and shirking of any sort of traditional obligations.]

    This bizarre asshole’s view of what an MRA is seems to be your excuse to join the radical feminist fold.

    You’re not going to win this argument by the way.

    You can only dig deeper.

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  148. @Gorby, Jerry, others with Talmudic morality,

    I don’t think you’re going to win many others over to the “men’s rights” POV with this kind of talk. You guys are basically unattached nihilistic bounders living in foreign countries. IOW, you have no real skin in the game here and just want no infringements upon your hedonism. I suspect that the men’s rights movement is DIW if it’s full of people like you. Normal people see your style of life and morality for what it is: pathological narcissism.

    Men don’t need to behave like you do. You’re basically giving the same defense the rest of the Tribe gave of Roman Polanski: “He was just doing what every other man wishes he could get away with” – not exactly a healthy framework upon which to base a functioning society.

    Maybe you guys are abroad because women here can just detect your sleeze, huh?

    Say “hi” to Polanski for me.

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  149. @PRCalDude

    {Were the movement to content itself with reforming divorce laws, child custody and alimony, it would be a lot more palatable.}

    Fuck you. Not.Going.To.Happen.

    Why? Because Alphas don’t get married Asshole.

    And they’re not going to let religious Betas try to retain control over US political parties and forums like this.

    And damn…you can’t even see how the desire to regulate male behavior isn’t totally tied in with the poison pill aspect of the Divorce Laws?

    Marriage 2.0 is all about the threat of severe punishment if a man were to sleep with younger women…which is the same thing as punishing men for dating young foreign women or paying the babysitter for some extra action (99% of prostitution is informally paying someone in a man’s social circle, not using pros).

    [This obsession PUAs and “men’s rights” activists have with third world (esp. Eastern European) women is probably some sort of deviancy manifesting itself also.]

    Probably? What? You mean deviant because one can date with a bigger age difference outside of the US culture?

    Deviant to like non-feminists with genetically superior outward appearances (on average)?

    Probably? Yes or no. Is it deviant to date a hot Russian chick?

    See, this is why IMBRA and VAWA got passed. White Knighters like PRCalDude were in the Republican Party going “guys who date foreign women are probably deviant”.

    Senator Brownback was like this.

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  150. @PRCalDude

    I don’t know what conservative blue pill you’ve swallowed, but you’re delusional.

    @Gorby, Jerry, others with Talmudic morality,

    Sure, brand anyone who can see women and the world of females for what it is as having corrupt Jewish morals and you win.

    Whatever: More reason to suspect anyone spouting anti-semitic crap. White women in this country stopped being anything even approaching feminine long ago.

    There’s no complaint to direct towards men. The entire situation was engineered by and for the benefit of women. Don’t like it? Complain to your waspy white sisters.

    They made it. We just react.

    I don’t think you’re going to win many others over to the “men’s rights” POV with this kind of talk. You guys are basically unattached nihilistic bounders living in foreign countries.

    I don’t know about them, but I live in the States.

    And if I’m a bounder, who the hell am I bounding with? I’ll let you in on a secret: Virtually all of my bounding partners for several years have been white, American, or at least of European extraction.

    Nice white girls are the best bounders of all. Go check out any local college. I’m told even BYU is a hotbed of illicit sex, relative to its public image.

    Women will lie to you and rationalize it, but the womyn of today are not the women of yesteryear, sir.

    They made the stew. I just eat it.

    IOW, you have no real skin in the game here and just want no infringements upon your hedonism. I suspect that the men’s rights movement is DIW if it’s full of people like you. Normal people see your style of life and morality for what it is: pathological narcissism.

    A response to the near-total pathological narcissism of the modern American female.

    Who the hell was that horrible woman, right: Sandra Tsing-Loh on getting her divorce. How many women do the same shit she did?

    Don’t talk to me about it. Every possible recourse for men has been blocked and chickens blew open the coop doors. The wolves moved in. Any surprise?

    Men don’t need to behave like you do. You’re basically giving the same defense the rest of the Tribe gave of Roman Polanski: “He was just doing what every other man wishes he could get away with” – not exactly a healthy framework upon which to base a functioning society.

    That framework was devastated by our very own Womyn.

    I see no reason to white-knight them and protect them from the consequences of their own actions. NONE at all.

    Let them stew in it. Reached 35 and no man wants you? Complain about attractive young women stealing men you want?

    Why didn’t you get one when you were 26? Did you? Leave him for no good reason? Then enjoy your cats while I date another 26 year-old. Have some ice cream. I’m told it helps.

    Stop protecting them from the consequences of their own actions. They don’t want to be treated like children. So don’t.

    Maybe you guys are abroad because women here can just detect your sleeze, huh?

    Say “hi” to Polanski for me

    This episode of Sleaze in the City brought to you by Feminism: Your #1 source for the irresponsible celebration of slutty behavior and rights without responsibilities.

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  151. @PRCalDude

    Believe me, a huge swath of young US males will have less and less toleration of the religious right as time goes on.

    Again, you are too much of a coward to answer:

    Are you for the arrest and criminalization of johns?

    Do you think IMBRA correctly background checks men before they can be allowed to correspond online with foreign women?

    [Many women in this country are perfectly fine as long as managed and controlled properly by their men. PUAs I think are always after the Next Hottest Girl and are never content with what they have. This is a form of pathological narcissism.]

    This is what you think of this blog?

    Sure, “many women” in the US are perfectly fine. Like 5%. Now go to Estonia and find its 35% with a higher percentage of 9s and 10s and a wider toleration for age differences.

    The “patriotic” argument cannot stand on simply saying “many women in the US are perfectly fine”.

    The whole point is to lower the artificially high sexual market value of American women by putting them on the same playing field as women around the world.

    [Men’s rights activists see these women as the Model Subservient Woman which is probably far from reality.]

    US FEMINISTS see the foreign women this way. MRAs simply want the feminists to shut the fuck up about their theories that men want “subservient women”.

    Why are you such a feminist PRCalDude?

    This isn’t to say that some like XSPlat actually do prefer subservient women. Nothing wrong with that either.

    [Women tend to fall in line regardless of their background as long as they’re with a man worth respecting. The latter condition, I’m afraid, probably isn’t satisfied by most men’s rights activists the more I see their online writings.]

    This is the basis for a mentally sick fusion of Social Conservatives with Feminists.

    [No one is really arguing that younger women don’t have drawing power. Of course they do. But in your Semitic morality you fail to account for the fact that legalizing young whores will simply destabilize many a marriage.]

    The discussion is about criminalizing men for their actions. based on theories that women are victimized by men buying them. Whether one criminalizes street prostitutes is not an issue (because 99% of prostitution is informal between friends of friends and can not be stopped).

    [If men find it easy, legal, and normalized to go out and pay a whore while their wife sits at home with the kids, they will do so. And this will have a de-stabilizing effect on marriages, family, and society.]

    Then just ban the prostitutes and keep them off the streets. But one doesn’t have to alter 6000 years of history by making it criminal to be a john because of feminist theories that the whores are “victimized”.

    [This really has nothing to do with white knighting for women but everything to do with wanting a stable society that’s safe for raising children.]

    In a patriarchal society, that would involve banning prostitutes, not calling them victims and arresting the men.

    Otherwise, its White Knighting on behalf of the insecure older women.

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  152. @PRCalDude

    Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old.

    He had no right to do that.

    Its slander to equate that to anything the men’s rights movement has been advocating.

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  153. This is the basis for a mentally sick fusion of Social Conservatives with Feminists

    You’re trying to point to a dichotomy that really doesn’t exist. Feminism, bolshevism, and the Polanski morality you advocate fall under the category of “Talmudic/Semitic.”

    I’m just pushing for good old fashioned WASP public virtues, and not even from a religious perspective.

    By your histrionic accusatory tone I can tell I’m dealing with another member of the Tribe. You and Gorby are clearly cut from the same Semitic cloth. You ruined Russia and Eastern Europe before being run out of there. You were run out of Germany and Spain. You’re pushing values foreign the founding stock of this country with the bolshevism, feminism, and nihilism/hedonism of your group. Make aliya if you don’t like how things are done here. Rather, just stay wherever you are and keep your mouth shut.

    There’s a reason that child porn and prostitution are outlawed and have been.

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  154. Everybody’s changing their facebook icons to cartoons this weekend. I changed my to pedobear.

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  155. @PRCalDude

    [you have no real skin in the game here and just want no infringements upon your hedonism.]

    Translation of “skin in the game”: “I’ve had kids on American territory and am/was married to an American woman whom I have to pay tribute to. This causes me to be interested in men’s rights but, heck, I sure wish the movement could be nicer to and not turn off the American women who control the media and courts.”

    [Me:This is the basis for a mentally sick fusion of Social Conservatives with Feminists.

    PRCaldude: You’re trying to point to a dichotomy that really doesn’t exist.]

    Now you’re denying that the Social Conservatives and Feminists have an alliance.

    That denial is in itself, mentally sick.

    At least admit that you’ve got a lot in common with feminists…at least in terms of the regulation of men (which happens to also include the poison pill aspect of child support, alimony, etc).

    [Feminism, bolshevism, and the Polanski morality you advocate fall under the category of “Talmudic/Semitic.”]

    WTF? You’re saying that the standard MRA opposition to the bullshit about “Human Trafficking” and the chivalry of White Knighters is somehow “Feminism”?

    You want to play the “I know you are but what am I” game without intellectual backup?

    Bolshevism? I hate paying taxes and I don’t believe in equality between the sexes or anyone else but I’m Bolshevist?

    Semitic? So you’re one of those White Nationalist sympathizers who also hates US males who date Slavs?

    Is that where you’re coming from on that?

    I’ve already shown that several “racist” WNs here are faggots when it comes to their not really wanting to go out and get laid with gorgeous young women (one WN insisted that an honorable man should ask a foreign man before he dates her sister).

    Its too bad that White Nationalist men tend to be split between the White Knighters who incidentally want to stay put in a melting pot and those who prefer to live in white countries (such as Russia and EE).

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  156. @PRCalDude

    [I’m just pushing for good old fashioned WASP public virtues, and not even from a religious perspective.]

    Believe me, I know a lot about Stormfront and the pussies who’ve basically adopted the feminist WKKK point of view.

    I am now sure you’re female but don’t think its manly to advertise you’re a White Nationalist.

    The WKKK had dominate the “racist community” in the US since the Civil War.

    Your hostile point of view towards fellow males (whom you should have just had friendly debate with) needs to be purged from the Republican Party.

    At least religion would have been a good excuse for you to claim men need to be regulated.

    [You and Gorby are clearly cut from the same Semitic cloth. You ruined Russia and Eastern Europe before being run out of there. You were run out of Germany and Spain.]

    So now men’s rights advocates are JEWS!

    [You’re pushing values foreign the founding stock of this country with the bolshevism, feminism, and nihilism/hedonism of your group.]

    Listen asshole, you’ve got nerve advocating for the regulation of men and implying its feminist to oppose that.

    [Make aliya if you don’t like how things are done here. Rather, just stay wherever you are and keep your mouth shut.]

    You’re female aren’t you? If I don’t like “how things are done” back in the States that’s too bad?

    Listen bitch, stop pretending you’re male with the word “dude” in your callsign.

    [There’s a reason that child porn and prostitution are outlawed and have been.]

    You are equating child porn with prostitution?

    How did that happen? Where did I say anything about the child porn topic?

    You still didn’t answer coward:

    1) Are you for the criminalization of johns as opposed to the traditional criminalization of prostitutes? This means are you for a sea change of thinking about controlling the issue after 6000 years of controlling only the prostitutes themselves to keep them out of the public eye?

    2) Are you OK with VAWA and IMBRA as pertains to the forced background checks (nobody complies to this) of men before they can be allowed to talk to foreign women?

    3) Are you OK with the outrageous raising of the age of consent – after 6000 years of record history hadn’t done so – from 16 to 18?

    4) If you are OK with any of the above, doesn’t that make you a Progressive?

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  157. xsplat: In regards the there being an element of power in it you are correct, but game is a poor analogy. Women still hold all the cards. Women are still the gatekeepers.

    A guy that knows game is still competing for the affections of a woman. The the only difference is that improves his chances of getting chosen over the other guys.

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  158. Since the US Civil War, the White Nationalist community in the USA has been dominated by older women.

    In the novel “Gone With the Wind” the control of the KKK males by the females was well documented.

    Their dominance continued for decades, well into the 1920s, and they especially loved the issue of “White Slavery”.

    While not all WN males are manginas, too many obsess about “White Slavery” today. They have an emotional need to believe that “Human Trafficking” is a real concern because it fills their desire to think that darkies are defiling white women.

    They need to believe that white women are being defiled by the impure.

    It is correct to note that this sick POV is not religious in origin…at least not “Christian” in origin.

    This is ultimately pedestalization of women.

    It is ultimately about chivalry, which is pedestalization.

    I know these people well. They are very sick.

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  159. Important point:

    Sticking up for a right to be “bad” (that has never been challenged in history) is not advocacy for “hedonism” nor is it advocacy for actually doing what one simply claims to be a nver-before-challenged right (men were never before made criminals for being johns – throughout history only prostitutes were arrested – feminists are breaking new ground on this issue and manginas like PRCalDude are blocking and running interference for them).

    One doesn’t have to want to spend much time on the north bank of the Rio Grande to be against the Mexicans simply taking it and changing the border 200 miles to the north.

    Similarly, no man has to want to sleep with 17 year olds in order to want to stop the feminists and other assholes from suddenly declaring that to be illegal today after it was legal yesterday.

    No man has to want to sleep with professional prostitutes (I certainly won’t do a pro) in order to want to stop the feminists and other assholes from declaring prostitutes to be perfectly legal but victims of the criminal customers who need to go to jail.

    For that matter, no man has to be stupid enough to get married and have kids in the USA…in order to totally side with other men in the battle against the Marriage 2.0 laws.

    The bottom line is that real men will stand ground against “progressives” who want the kind of lawmaking that history has never seen (except maybe in a few matriarchies that were quickly and deservedly wiped out).

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  160. @PRCCalDude

    Your attitudes clarify why it’s obvious the conservatives in this country – especially the religious conservatives, of the WASP variety – are part and parcel of the problem with feminism. You help enable them by not seeing the root of the problem.

    The calls to regulate sexuality always fall on the men. Women are the gatekeepers: women control sexuality and the legitimization of its expression. This is why they hate porn. This is why they want control. This is why they want the freedom to cry Rape if they feel like a man was even slightly insulting or didn’t call them back quickly enough.They need to define male sexuality because women have always controlled it, through their desires and their moral judgments.

    Women are Independent and Strong when it comes to rights, but Weak and Vulnerable when it comes to responsibilities. Conservatives play right into that, transferring responsibilities to men but rights to women (as “mothers” and “wives” – as if these traditional roles even had a shadow of an existence any more).

    The conservatives put their heads in the sand and preach, while the whole country burns. They throw water on an oil fire. They just don’t get it. Their solutions are irrelevant.

    You refuse to address this, while tarring myself and Jerry, two men with radically different approaches and concerns, given what we comment about. And you tar other men, too.

    Women set up the modern nihilistic value system. Women cheer on the Hookup culture and it’s feminists who most productively create the targets for lotharios and sleaze buckets like me. Colleges abound with free sex, where women fuck alpha guys as easily as they shake hands. And THEN we’re supposed to respect them the way we traditionally respected women?

    Get real.

    Conservatives refuse to see reality.

    Without feminists, guys like me or roosh or Roissy or all the other guys here would be run out of town. The feminists made the game.

    *White*
    *Middle-class*
    *Waspy*
    *Feminists*

    made modern feminism. They stock its ranks, they stoke its furnaces, they stick it right up men’s asses.

    They created us.

    (*Some are Jews. Most are not.*)

    As a conservative, you don’t like it? Then 95% of the blame goes to women and their enablers. The sleaze buckets just take advantage of the wreckage women make.

    They created grotesque mockeries of laws when they eviscerated marriage in the openly declared war on the institution and the social order. None of this was secret. It was plain as day. They wrote this, for God’s sake. They hate Tradition and Marriage and All Traditional Values. Men Are Unnecessary. Fatherhood is Unnecessary. Men Are Dangerous. All Men Are Rapists. All Sex Is Rape When A woman Says So. Men Are Evil. Hierarchy Is Evil. Cops Are Evil. Sluts Are Good. Men Are For Servicing Women. Women Keep the Kids and the Money. Men Stop Complaining.

    It’s all there. Go read it. Advocating for men to be the traditional, upstanding social citizens in this climate is asking them to stab themselves in the eye with a fork. Only Stupid saps do that when every rule is stacked wholesale against them.

    It’s not about equality. It’s about power. And obliterating the traditions that got us here. All of them: not just the oppressive male hierarchy.

    They force quotas for equal results on us, regardless of the reasons for the inequality (differently abled individuals).

    They gleefully celebrate spinsterhood and divorce and barrenness. They extoll their virtues and endlessly complain about children, men, and responsibilities of any kind.

    They advocate for immigration of alien and hostile people because so few will have even one child. It’s a Burden and Reduces their Independence.

    Our social order had broken down, and has been replaced by – nothing.

    No propagation. No upkeep. No maintenance. Nothing.

    White people – especially white women – did it. It’s absolutely entirely their fault. No foreign power or Jewish conspiracy or Immigrant Horde connived to arrive in this situation.

    Those White Nationalist / Religiously Conservative women? Whatever. Half of them are only worried about losing their female privileges. Most white nationalist guys are pathetic Betas whining to the tunes their harridan wives scream in their ears.

    Our good white Anglo women got obnoxious, barren, and fat. They have no excuse.

    Don’t even attempt to deflect this. Go take a look at the state of affairs they created. They don ‘t like foreign wives or GFs? Well, stop being so damned ugly and whorish. They don’t like immigrants? They have children with a guy who sticks around and be loyal to him, you fat lazy sluts. Want your freeloading State-salaried jobs? Then support the men who pay taxes so you can eat, you stupid fat lazy Independent Womyn.

    As a conservative, you’re as bad as they are. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Place the blame where it belongs: Entirely on White Women, mostly WASP.

    They’re the poisoners of society.

    You dare to complain to men about it? For God’s sake, we need to learn game just to get laid. We have to hunt through hundreds of useless whores before we can find even one – one – good woman, who isn’t hopelessly fickle, and then we need to rely on good luck.

    We acquiesced to what women wanted. To the letter, we give them what they want. And what they want has destroyed us.

    Conservatives always help create this situation by not admitting how liberal values have made the conservative position untenable.

    They feed into each other like some awful negative-reinforcing wave.

    And conservatives wonder why every single measure they try to enact has the opposite effect. Advocating for good ol’ Conservative values in a society riven with amoral behavior may appeal to the moral absolutists, but it does little else.

    Right-wingers make men more responsible (never addressing women), so now we can put men in jail for not making child-support payments, even when they’re broke or poor. Because Men are Responsible, yes? Women are Innocent and Pure.

    Any guy who fucks women knows they’re equally as impure, slutty and dishonest if not moreso, in fact.

    The conservatives never do what’s necessary: Cut off welfare moms entirely, letting them survive as best they can, thus forcing their lifestyle to end. Creating marriage laws that treat men as equals – not the only ones with responsibilities. How about giving men custody of kids sometimes, when they want it? What about enforcing orders?

    There’s a vicious shitstorm of synergy between misandric women and religious conservatives that blinds both and screws everyone else.

    They feed off each other.

    Either get the state back to fully regulating the living shit out of our moral lives the way it used to – and effectively socially destroying men and women who step outside for any reason – or open the doors and get the state out of the bedroom completely. In the middle, the men are wholesale victims.

    This half-way state dumps garbage all over men while asking nothing of women.

    Fuck that crap.

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  161. [You “Jews” ruined Russia and Eastern Europe before being run out of there.]

    Actually, these are the only white nations left on Earth that aren’t ruined.

    They are the only white nations that aren’t feminist yet.

    Listen asshole, you really need to travel some.

    And maybe listen to the 50% of Stormfront males who agree that its best to move to an all-white nation, not sit back home like a girly-man and proclaim the virtues of American womyn back in the melting pot.

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  162. White nationalists are dumbshits for many reasons, among them their refusal to admit that white women botched the entire job.

    There’s *NO* way I’m going to restrict myself to mating or breeding with white women when most of them aren’t worth considering as friends. What about that class of white women in the UK, that spends most nights drunk or stoned and end up assaulting passersby?

    Seriously, you can stay here and compete for the ever-decreasing amount of decent female attention here, or you can bolt. Or do both.

    Restricting yourself to the white garbage that calls itself Womyn basically means “Be Miserable for the White Race. Reward White Womyn for being Trash.”

    Screw that. Any man with brains and a dick knows where to tell these White Nationalists where to stuff it.

    I’ll be loyal when white women give white men a reason to be.

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  163. The thing is this “dude” has the most fucked up point of view I’ve ever seen and he or she believes, with some credibility, that this is the way normal Americans think.

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  164. “I’ve had kids on American territory and am/was married to an American woman whom I have to pay tribute to. This causes me to be interested in men’s rights but, heck, I sure wish the movement could be nicer to and not turn off the American women who control the media and courts.”

    I was actually being generous when I said you have “no skin in the game.” The reality is you really have nothing to show for your life. You live in a foreign country away from your family and birthplace. You have no family of your own. No one cares if you’re alive and no one will care when you’re gone. You live for your own pleasure which is wholly dependent upon your sad manipulations of none-too-wise foreign women who can’t see what American women can.

    They have an emotional need to believe that “Human Trafficking” is a real concern because it fills their desire to think that darkies are defiling white women.

    Not really. In this country, most of the trafficked women are Amerindians. I still don’t think it should be happening. A just and peaceful society doesn’t allow the exploitation of the weak. Women are trafficked all over the place and from all different countries. It has nothing to do with my desire to protect virtuous white women or whatever straw man you’ve concocted in your own mind like you shrieking shtetl aspies are prone to do.

    I brought up the “white gold” issue to refute your point about Turkish sexual slavery and to refute the idea that the KKK women’s auxiliary had made it all up out of whole cloth in the 19th century. Turkish and Barbary slave trading is a known fact and is mentioned in several history books. “Six Frigates” is another book that discusses it, but any book that covers the topic of late 18th/early 19th century naval affairs will suffice. We went to war with the Barbary powers precisely for the reason that they were capturing and enslaving American citizens since we refused to pay tribute. Failing to acknowledge this just makes you sound dumb.

    This is ultimately pedestalization of women.

    It is ultimately about chivalry, which is pedestalization.

    I know these people well. They are very sick.

    Nothing to do with that. Again, learn to read. Families and, by extension, society, function through co-operation and mutual trust. A wife doesn’t trust a husband who is a frequent john, nor should she. Such a man brings home diseases, ferrets family money away for dubious purposes, and perhaps sires bastards with women of ill-repute. A dysfunctional marriage results in a dysfunctional family and thus dysfunctional children thus a a dysfunctional society. The fact that you’re too broken to see this is more evidence of your pathological narcissism.

    I’ve already shown that several “racist” WNs here are faggots when it comes to their not really wanting to go out and get laid with gorgeous young women (one WN insisted that an honorable man should ask a foreign man before he dates her sister).

    See above. Also, it has nothing to do with desire, but what ought to be done. Should a man go out and cheat on his wife and the mother of his children because his wife is getting older? In your world view, apparently. In everyone else’s, not really. Normal people understand that families can’t stay stable that way and the social bonds of couples who age together are quickly ruined when one spouse is unfaithful. People talk. Again, the fact that you don’t already know this is more evidence of your dysfunction and more evidence of the fact that you’re some globe trotting bounder with no ties or bonds. Such people are typically sociopaths.

    Quit white knighting for Russian women also. They’re about as quality as Russian men whom Patton described accurately towards the end of his life. They may be beautiful but are as cold and heartless as their climate and are as money-grubbing as any hook-nosed Brooklynite.

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  165. @PRCalDude

    [your own pleasure which is wholly dependent upon your sad manipulations of none-too-wise foreign women who can’t see what American women can.]

    Radical feminist pedestalization of the superior American woman. Check.

    Belittling of the feminist competition. Check

    Making women to be seen as victims (they can’t see). Check.

    Horror at the thought of men getting pleasure. Check.

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  166. on December 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm mandy been here a while

    So then, I guess Ted Bundy lied. Go figure.

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  167. [We went to war with the Barbary powers precisely for the reason that they were capturing and enslaving American citizens since we refused to pay tribute.]

    Again, asshole, “human trafficking” in the 2000s has been shown to be vastly exaggerated because it helps the feminist cause to do so.

    And like a coward you fail to answer the questions that I will again put to you:

    1) Are you a progressive, meaning you want laws that have never been passed before in history to “finally deal with a problem” (like whores or anything else)?

    2) Are you in favor of the brand new idea of making johns criminals rather than the traditional patriarchal criminalization of the prostitutes themselves? Keep in mind, again, that I’m not advocating use of professional whores, just protecting 6000 years of what men thought was the right to assemble with one without themselves being criminalized.

    3) Are you or are you not in favor of IMBRA which forces US males to be background checked before being allowed to communicate with foreign women on a dating website? Nobody complies with this bullshit.

    4) Are you in favor of the new trend, never before seen in 6000 years of human history, to raise the age of consent from 16 to 18 in many states?

    I noticed that you seemed OK with the idea that the Islamicization of Turkey was fueled by the older women wanting to control their men’s sexual appetites.

    Admit it: You are female.

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  168. [They – Russian women – may be beautiful but are as cold and heartless as their climate and are as money-grubbing as any hook-nosed Brooklynite.]

    PRCalDude is definitely female.

    There is no question about this.

    Look at the cattiness.

    @Roissy

    You might want to call out the females who pretend to be males on this forum in order to try to “control the conversation”.

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  169. [“I’ve had kids on American territory and am/was married to an American woman whom I have to pay tribute to. This causes me to be interested in men’s rights but, heck, I sure wish the movement could be nicer to and not turn off the American women who control the media and courts.”]

    “PRCaldude” pretended I was saying this about myself inside her quote marks. The above represents what a Beta who doesn’t understand feminism might think when saying “I wish the men’s rights movement would only concentrate on the divorce industry problems.”

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  170. American diplomats “worried” about the Putin-Berlusconi Axis:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,732560,00.html

    [You have no family of your own.]

    Because child support laws made it unwise not to use condoms.

    But I still have two women half my age who are pushing hard for marriage and children. I consider that “family of my own”…at least until they give up on trying to get me to marry them.

    [No one cares if you’re alive and no one will care when you’re gone.]

    About 6 ex-girlfriends and 6 local women seem to care very much about checking up on me and having long conversations that I often don’t have the time for. I supposed I could get more sex with new women if I stopped being so sentimental about staying friends with the women in my life who care about me.

    Meanwhile, your comments are those of a female. Admit this.

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  171. Thumbs up to Gorby’s response. WNs need some “tough love” that motivates some internal self-criticism and rectification.
    And cultivation of some goddamn courage!

    He is so right about the feminism poisoning “mainstream WN”.
    As if they will get a place at the table of power by playing nice!

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  172. But this assumes that PRCalDude is really a dude in the first place.

    There is just too much about what she just said that screams out the female mindset.

    There was too much bitterness over Russian women, too much bitterness about men having fun.

    That said, over at Stormfront.org a few years back, there were too many passing themselves off as “male” who believed in chivalry toward “American white hybrid women” right alongside their hatred of non-feminist slavic white purebred women. That didn’t make sense until I realized that they were sucking up to the local American women on the site because Stormfront was really a pathetic dating site.

    While half the men there were smart enough to see that countries like Russia and the Baltics had done a better job than Americans of not losing their culture, and thus recognized these cultures provided hope for WNs, even half of that crowd would then say “Leave the women in these great white cultures alone to breed with the local men. Let’s not pollute them with our American semen”.

    That’s a gamma point of view if I’ve ever seen one.

    Or its the point of view of American women pretending to be men…the feeling I always get when dealing with a supposed male WN online.

    They hypocritically dream of living in an all white state when that dream would be realized with an 8 hour flight to Estonia, Poland or Russia.

    Meanwhile, the Aspies among them are stuck on Hitler’s “proper’ hatred for the slavic whites and repeat 70 year old Nazi attitudes that the Russians and the Poles are “inferior cultures”.

    Never mind what happened 65 years ago as a result of that arrogance.

    There was a guy on McCain’s staff who felt that way about Russia which turned off a ton of Republican Expats who ended up not voting in 2008.

    When is the host going to tell these fuckheads to shove off?

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  173. Do we want legalized prostitution and more porn? Do we want more betas out of the market? Or, do we want more betas in the market, failing and angry?

    I’d say we want the latter. It’s the only way things will change. Every man must feel he deserves a respectful and attractive woman, and then they will start to fight for their interests.

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  174. Radical feminist pedestalization of the superior American woman. Check.

    I wasn’t “pedestalizing” – or whatever dork term you apply to it – American women. I was merely pointing out that foreign women have a harder time spotting a loser (you) due to cultural barriers. This is why men such as yourself go abroad to get tail most often. Most expats are broken losers. You’re no different.

    But I still have two women half my age who are pushing hard for marriage and children. I consider that “family of my own”…at least until they give up on trying to get me to marry them.

    More self-adulation and the need for adulation from women – pathological narcissism.

    About 6 ex-girlfriends and 6 local women seem to care very much about checking up on me and having long conversations that I often don’t have the time for. I supposed I could get more sex with new women if I stopped being so sentimental about staying friends with the women in my life who care about me.

    Everything’s about you and what you’re getting out of others. See above. I’ve tried to explain how family dynamics and married couple social dynamics work. It doesn’t fit into your mental framework of “me me mememememe” so you’ve ignored everything I wrote about prostitution and child porn and think I’m a woman. HOW DARE I WHITE KNIGHT FOR FAMILY AND CIVILIZATION I MUST HAVE 2 X CHROMOSOMES!

    Really, the reason you’re not married and childless has nothing to do with family law in this country at all and everything to do with the fact that you’re a black hole of sociopathy. I mean, what kind of loser holds family and society in such low regard as you do?

    While half the men there were smart enough to see that countries like Russia and the Baltics had done a better job than Americans of not losing their culture,

    Well, there wasn’t much to lose after the USSR killed it off. Read up on the kulaks. When Americans start emigrating to Russia in large amounts as the Russians seem to be immigrating to the West, I’ll re-consider my stance on Russian culture.

    They hypocritically dream of living in an all white state when that dream would be realized with an 8 hour flight to Estonia, Poland or Russia.

    If this is the case then the WNs seem less broken than you as they have at least some attachment to family and country.

    There was too much bitterness over Russian women, too much bitterness about men having fun.

    Bitterness, right. It couldn’t be that I’ve met a few and have seen what happened to Mel Gibson or heard stories about these women leading on American men to get citizenship and then ditching them for Russian boyfriends soon after US immigration law said they no longer had to remain with their American husbands. I watched one Russian women milk her dupe American husband for 10s of thousands filling up her closet with designer clothes. Then she demanded an even larger house than they were living in already. He was a nervous wreck trying to meet all her demands. He deserved her though.

    There was a guy on McCain’s staff who felt that way about Russia which turned off a ton of Republican Expats who ended up not voting in 2008.

    Who cares? I don’t care about Russia or Eastern Europe other than I don’t want it the former re-created here. We don’t need a society full of unattached jobless drunken layabouts (see: Africa). I didn’t vote for McCain and I don’t vote Republican. Stop trying to fit me into your goony categories or peg me as some guy (female, in your mind) you think you know but don’t.

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  176. PRCalDude is a moron and a mangina. The biggest white male hating feminists on the planet are jewish women. Proof:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists

    That’s just about all the white male hating feminists of any kind of worth, or fame, in exsistence.

    That is an incomplete list, I noticed one of Roissy’s last victims, Hanna Rosin, is not included on that list. I consider feminism to be a collective shit-test, one that run of the mill, average ‘white’ america has failed miserably (this thread is a microcosm of the great divide), especially between the euro and NA crowd.

    Most of Jerry’s stuff is spot on. Although I must add that many of the higher end clubs in Germany will allow the 18-21 sub-contractors, as long as they are just that-sub-contractors. Human trafficking is a canard, if these women find themselves in abusive or exploitive relationships it’s because they want to be in them, much like the civilian population (battered wives, etc.). Mostly they like the money and end up blowing most of it on $500 dollar stillettos (closets full actually), nevermind the fact that a good portion of them are unrepentant nymphos. Slavery? Slavery is busting your ass digging ditches so you can end up one day sending a third of your income to the Gov, another third to the bank to pay the mortgage on your ex’s house and the loan on her car, and the other third to your kids in the form of alimony. GBFM isn’t far off in regards to the reality of our present situation here in North America-Sex Prison.

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  177. Nevermind half of PRCalDude’s breeding stock are BMI ≥ 30 kg/m². In fact, the only other ‘first world country’ in the top 50 is New Zealand. [Takes a bit too load, well worth it, US women are fucking land whales and here is the proof].

    https://apps.who.int/infobase/Comparisons.aspx?l=&NodeVal=WGIE_BMI_5_cd.0704&DO=1&DDLReg=ALL&DDLSex=2&DDLAgeGrp=15-100&DDLYear=2010&DDLMethod=INTMDCTM&DDLCateNum=6&TxtBxCtmNum=20%2c35%2c50%2c65%2c80&CBLC1=ON&CBLC3=ON&CBLC4=ON&CBLC6=ON&CBLC8=ON&CBLC10=ON&DDLMapsize=800×480&DDLMapLabels=none&DDLTmpRangBK=0&DDLTmpColor=-3342388

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  178. J_D

    Women still hold all the cards. Women are still the gatekeepers.

    A guy that knows game is still competing for the affections of a woman

    I’m not sure what you mean or what your point is, and I’m a bit lazy to re-read our converation to figure it out.

    Sometimes men are the gatekeepers and women fight over them. I had a rather nasty incident in one of my apartments the other day.

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  179. Jerry, Gorb,

    Why even argue with a dumbass anti-semite? waste of time.

    Excellent posts from both of you in this thread.

    To recap. Unless a man hates “feminism” heart and soul he is a worthless cunt.

    Men: hate the tyranny of “feminism.” Hate its terrible and unnatural lies.

    “Feminism” is the reason so many of you hate your lives.

    White knighting mangina? eat shit.

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  180. [Why even argue with a dumbass anti-semite? waste of time.]

    The fact that many of his ideas and the shaming of certain activities are stolen by the chapter out of books written by jewish feminists is the true irony. A white power mangina soft-pedalling (jewish) feminist ideas, somebody ought to make a movie.

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  181. @n/a
    Jerry, Gorb,
    Why even argue with a dumbass anti-semite? waste of time.

    They hate Jews so much they miss more or less everything else.

    Kwanza? Jews.
    Wife is fat? JEWS.
    Poor black people got mortgages, financial collapse? JEWS!
    Bad weather? JOOZ!
    JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ!

    Like there aren’t any WASP feminists. Oh wait. There are.

    A whole fucking lot of them. Hordes of stinking piles of the,

    Excellent posts from both of you in this thread.
    To recap. Unless a man hates “feminism” heart and soul he is a worthless cunt.

    No disagreement from me.

    Except for one thing, on the utility side:

    I get seriously laid when I want to because of these harridans and their vapid ideology. *THAT* is awesome.

    They get to obliterate any trace of civilization, at least my ride is fun. The problem is I may start to care about where it goes.

    Men: hate the tyranny of “feminism.” Hate its terrible and unnatural lies.
    “Feminism” is the reason so many of you hate your lives.
    White knighting mangina? eat shit.</I.

    Yeah.

    I just imagine being forced to select only some white chick – My Own Age – From The Right Social Class – and be grateful she's giving me any attention at all–

    And I think, I hope Japan or Korea or France is passing out visas, because I'm fucking out of here. No way could I settle for the worst and most expensive pussy on Earth.

    Unless, of course, my game holds up. Then I might be able to put up with it. Can't say I'd like the social situation, though, and if I had a son, I'd be telling him to Learn Game (hang out with dad – I'll show you how it's done, ignore your mom, trust me), or telling him to Get The Fuck Out Already.

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  182. @thirsty

    The fact that many of his ideas and the shaming of certain activities are stolen by the chapter out of books written by jewish feminists is the true irony. A white power mangina soft-pedalling (jewish) feminist ideas, somebody ought to make a movie.

    White nationalists and religious conservatives share the same communalist and socialist tendencies with WN’s. White Nationalists are largely socialists with a racial tendency.

    It’s why they all sound so similar. It can be hard to tell them apart, sometimes.

    It’s also funny the way WN’s hate Jews; their arguments and styles are more or less the same, and they come from the same starting points.

    We’re individuals. We need to think of ourselves this way.

    I truly detest socialist thought.

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  183. Youngest model to ever appear nude in Playboy (SFW):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Ionesco

    Colour Climax used to produce 8 mm films with underage actresses well into the 80’s.

    Nudist magazines with underage models were selling on magazine racks in Europe well in to the late 90’s.

    Most of that changed with the Tracy Lords controversy and subsequent US lobbying. Some things haven’t.

    Swiss still legally allow 16 year old prostitution. Japan paid lip service to ending ‘compensated dating’ and little else, the legality of underage nude modelling is still foggy throughout the EU. Coupe and Bravo still feature full frontal underage nudity in articles and pictorials (14-17).

    Not that any of this has anything to do with pedophilia, probably has more to do with normal male human preference:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

    Fact is, most of the world outside the anglosphere seems to have a more relaxed view on Age of Consent issues and human sexuality in general. Just the difference between Anglo-Canada and Franco-Canada is like Salt Lake City and Las Vegas. And the reality???

    Reality is that two of the highest median IQ tribes in the world both allow legalized prostitution in spite of massive US protest, and both countries run massive current account surplus export driven economies despite resourece bottlenecks that would leave most other countries destitute. Allowing all the beta cogs in the machine an ‘option’ short circuits female hypergamy in more ways than one leaving society better off in general and allows for a social cohesion that many here as critics of present day Anglophonia could only envy.

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  185. I just imagine being forced to select only some white chick – My Own Age –

    AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHH!

    Slow down there, Steven King. Some things are best left unimagined.

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  186. @xsplat
    I just imagine being forced to select only some white chick – My Own Age –
    AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHH!
    Slow down there, Steven King. Some things are best left unimagined.

    The biggest fear factor you left out.

    F A T

    Egad.

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  187. Gorb

    I’m a temporary autonomous zone. I make Lysander Spooner look like a conformist statist. My favourite hobbies are drinking and driving, assault rifles, and high end east european escorts. I am an individualist, but the fact remains that most people aren’t. Its something I have really come to grips with here in the last couple years. People like belonging and one of the most attractive organizing principles is race. Plain and simple.

    Fact is countries with social cohesion and populations relatively homogenuous in racial make up tend to have an economic, political, and militaristic adavantage over those that don’t. In the coming era of anarchy due to debt collapse and resource constraints this theory will prove itself correct-in spades.

    As jewish interests have been fully behind many of the ideas and progressive ideologies that have done nothing but subtract from both social cohesion and racial homogeneity, I can fully understand why there is a push at the moment to legislate against anti-semitism of all forms. Yank another five million barrels a day in exportable oil out of the market (give it about 2-3 more years) and I guarantee you the average man on the street is going to openly question why most of the Federal Reserve Branch Governors are of one ‘ethnicity’ despite being only one percent of the population. Nevermind the stranglehold over media (see Oliver Stone), or the prominence of numerous dual passport holders in all administrations (Rahm actually served in the IDF IIRC, that tells you his loyalty).

    Internationalists and progressives have been unchallenged in their worldview for 65 years now. My feeling is that moving forward that won’t be the case any more. By 2020 we are going to be living in a completely different world, and there is going to be good chance it is one shaped by the HBD’ers, and cultural pluralists on the other side of the argument.

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  188. Wow. Roissy posts one of the dubious studies that can be to prove whatever is wanted to be proved and suddenly the pedos come out of the woodwork saying “give us respect and legality to our lifestyle and if you don’t you’re a puritanfag”. The volley against PRCalDude proves it.

    Xsplat – don’t play dumb. Pedos are holding children at ransom by their insinuation that “if we can’t get the virtual stuff, we’ll go outdoors and find real children”.

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  189. @PRCalDude

    You’re digging yourself a deeper hole. I’m amazed the Chateau gives the more batty WNs and social conservative manginas a pass like he does. Your ideas ironically really do come from Jewish feminists of the Bolshevik era.

    I note your cowardice in not taking on the growing number here who agree with me that you are clearly a mangina if “male”.

    Whether you are female or “male” (nothing about your attitude shows you’re male), you continue to show cowardice in not answering 4 simple questions:

    1) Do you believe in Progressivism – New laws never before made in history to solve “problems” like prostitution?

    2) Do you believe in throwing away the traditional banning of street prostitutes in favor of more “effective” progressive ideas such as the new idea of criminalizing johns first introduced in Sweden, now moving to Israel?

    3) Are you in agreement with IMBRA/VAWA which says that foreign women, unable to think properly like American women in terms of determining if an American man is a loser or not (a radical feminist method of artificially raising their own sexual market value over East European women), must be given a lot of paperwork to sign saying they read the background check of an American man before being allowed to communicate with him via a dating agency?

    4) Do you agree with the trend for Americans to raise the age of consent from 16 to 18 (a trend never before seen in the history of the world) while the rest of the world tries to lower it (except for Turkey where you praise women for bringing Islamic politics into play and raising the age of consent to 18 in order to sexually regulate their husbands)?

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  190. @PRCalDude

    If a man flies to Germany to buy a Porsche or Mercedes off the lot in Stuttgart, quick question: Is he a good driver?

    By your logic, if he was a good driver (socially apt with women) he would stay at home and buy a Ford (American woman).

    What makes you a victim of Asperger’s Syndrome is that you are stuck on the radical feminist trope that it is somehow not possible for a veteran of the US military (whose members also travel the world regularly) to date women in Eastern Europe and also go back to the USA for business and to relax at resorts and, because of the confidence gained from always dealing with foreign women half his age, end up doing well with American women half his age as well.

    If “male” I see you as being physically impotent. Someone who is clearly married to a fatty he is no longer sexually attracted to…holding on for deal life to his sense of “honor” in at least having someone who will “care about him as he grows old”.

    You need to state your age demographics, etc.

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  191. Impotent males over 50 often become social conservative because they resent other males having sex. They can be more dangerous than feminists.

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  192. You need to state your age demographics, etc

    What’s your age?
    What country are you in? (And no, “eastern Europe” is not a country.)
    You seem surprisingly averse to providing these details, given your penchant for demanding them of other people.

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  193. May I coin a new term for those who reflexively defend Jews from criticism and throw around “anti-semite” like liberal feminists use “privilege”? Kike Knights.

    If you can’t see what’s wrong with child pornography or prostitution then you’re part of the problem, buddy. You’re just trying to fight feminist fire with fire which will only succeed at burning the whole house down. I’m sure that some of those who advocate this are just being cynical, but most are pathological perverts who dread the idea of a functional, stable society that would necessarily shun their deviant fetishes. As our society continues to crumble, it should be obvious that something has gone terribly wrong in our mating/courtship culture. The answer to that is certainly not to pursue further nihilistic/hedonistic deviance.

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  194. @Mike,

    Pedophiles and guys who seek out prostitutes aren’t the same thing.

    Men have been paying for sex since before we were human. They call it The Oldest Profession because it’s part and parcel of being human and sexual.

    We ban prostitution because we want to control male sexuality and women loathe and abhor an easy woman who gives it up for money – she’s a threat to their own sexuality and their ability to manipulate and control men.

    You can fool yourself into thinking that feminists care about these women, but: religious conservatives want nothing more than to control the bedroom as much as possible (they’d determine what acts and what positions were acceptable if they could, as well as how often and how much), and feminists want to deny men as much sexual power as possible. It’s not about “protecting” prostitutes or morality. It’s about social control.

    It’s not perverted to want to get out from under that bus.

    You can either

    – Learn Game and get what poon you want

    – Use porn to satisfy yourself

    or

    – Pay for sex.

    Some guys do all of this.

    Women use sex to control men. It’s exactly what they do. They’re experts at it and they’ve done it for millennia.

    You’ll never, ever, ever get rid of prostitution. It takes on hundreds of forms. Many marriages are nothing more than sanctified prostitution. Much of nice, sacred traditional marriage is basically a value-commodity exchange and nothing more, at all.

    Every harpy or woman who married because a guy had money or “stability” (how often have you guys heard that?) is a whore, in precisely the same way as a street hooker. An expensive whore, but let’s not haggle price: She’s a slutty whore in the same way as a hooker on the corner.

    There’s absolutely no difference except for the A-OK society gives one relationship. And I haven’t even gotten to mistresses yet. Or “Compensated” dating. That’s a new word for an old trick, it is.

    What you call “deviance”, with the exception of pedophilia, is basically normal human sexuality.

    Face it: you have no point.

    I hope I never need to seek out professional services for sex. But if *I* wanted to, I hope that the government will butt the fuck out. As with the public.

    Pedophiles abusing kids – well, that’s dirty pool.

    But prostitution?

    Give me a break. All the moralizing about hedonism and sex and puritanism is a waste of time. Humans in the most sexually repressive and legislated countries cheat with abandon, and there’s always lots of prostitution.

    I lived in Korea. There’s no country more morally sanctimonious about sex than Korea. Koreans Don’t Do That. Koreans Are Innocent and Love The Family.

    What- ever.

    China was the same. You get Chinese betas going to town about how great their women are while their pretty young girls are fucking alphas and getting massive amounts of men on the side – most pretty girls have a lover or two once they get married in mainland China, now. And this in a country where it’s not even proper to mention the word Sex in public.
    Malaysia: Muslim country of moral propriety. Yeah right.
    Italy. Catholic, right?

    And there’s no homosexuality in Saudi Arabia. For sure.

    Give me a break.

    It’s all the fault of JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ

    JOOZ DID IT!

    For sure. Jews made white American women into useless, fat, drunk sluts. Jews made marriage a sickening, twisted joke for men. Jews convinced Waspy girls that white men were useful only as paychecks. Jews arrange it so that white American men were raised as pansy-assed little girl-men.

    Yes, … Jews had this plan all along.

    I notice you’re getting less vociferous about it, as time goes on.

    Your hallucinogens are wearing off. Better hit the mushroom stash.

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  195. Gil

    “Wow. Roissy posts one of the dubious studies that can be to prove whatever is wanted to be proved and suddenly the pedos come out of the woodwork saying “give us respect and legality to our lifestyle and if you don’t you’re a puritanfag”.”

    umm what?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

    @the kike knight lol

    “It’s all the fault of JOOZ JOOZ JOOZ
    JOOZ DID IT!”

    well, they did.

    “Yes, … Jews had this plan all along.”

    That is the right point of contention.

    Mike

    “If you can’t see what’s wrong with child pornography or prostitution then you’re part of the problem, buddy. ”

    lol at equating the two nevermind the rhetorical problem part, and do you seriously believe that proclamations of love make a man taking it up his ass somehow respectable.
    Say hello to your friendly neighborhood pedobear who loves children too.

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  196. you gotta agree that Benny Hill makes any thing seem funny.

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  197. This is a really easy equation that can be tested for those who still need proof.

    Since 1989 — Porn access, easier sex, and easier access to whores in Europe = lower sexual crimes per capita in the West.

    Since 1989 — More immigration and multiculturalism in the West, lowering of moral values due to the marginalization of the father while propping up the whims of women (contributing to easier sex as per part one), and a deteriorating education system due to the above = higher violent crime per capita in the West.

    Only a dogmatic dullard doesn’t recognize this.

    As for pure rapists and lowering their desire to rape, look at the stats, most rapists (non-child abuse) are disproportionally Latino, single (and going through a huge dry spell or even a virgin), or have some fetish or desire that always goes unfulfilled. Yes there are some psychos that do it for the control and fear and outside of a gifted fetish whore this is sadly unfixable other than shooting them. The point being as has been born out in heavily whored-up countries, is that when even these men can get their jollies by paying for it, their need to explode and hurt someone goes down. As for the pedos, I prefer making a few token kiddie sites where anyone who downloads from there repeatedly gets a subtle visit from the accident police and no one is the wiser.

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  198. Has nobody heard of lolicon? Drawn child porn(legal), has been around for a long time. So has porn sites with 18 year old girls who look like they are 13. It’s out there and not to hard to find.

    I think it’s fucking hilarious that nobody here has found it. You would have to be satisfied with normal porn. Anyone who is interested in any sort of BDSM knows about lolicon and the 13 year old imitations.

    For a bunch of guys claiming to be alpha, everyone seems to have pretty vanilla tastes in sex.

    Then again that probably helps to get laid.

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  199. “Anyone who is interested in any sort of BDSM knows about lolicon and the 13 year old imitations.”

    huh, what connexion?

    “For a bunch of guys claiming to be alpha, everyone seems to have pretty vanilla tastes in sex.”

    not everyone thinks anal licking is chocolate flavored sex.

    “Then again that probably helps to get laid.”

    Or wanking off to kiddy porn not only not helps in getting laid, it actively helps in not getting laid.

    http://bit.ly/i3LUoV

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  200. 14 year old “male” charged too.

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  201. to put the above in perspective:

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  202. on December 4, 2010 at 4:30 pm Obstinance Works

    This tracks the absurd notion that all violent criminals are alphas, who most women cream for.

    No not at all. But rape in the traditional sense cannot be meted out by a limp sissy.

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  203. on December 4, 2010 at 4:32 pm Obstinance Works

    Haha. It doesn’t have to be drawn. Just stick a kid’s face on an 18 y/o body.

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  204. @Jerry
    “Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old.”

    Actually RP was never charged with, much less convicted, of those offenses. As a matter of fact, he was never convicted of anything.

    But never mind me. Back to the regularly scheduled hysteria and moral panic double-feature.

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  205. Actually RP was never charged with, much less convicted, of those offenses. As a matter of fact, he was never convicted of anything.

    But never mind me. Back to the regularly scheduled hysteria and moral panic double-feature.

    Hey I heard that Siemens just came out with a 500 seat oven. Can’t wait buddy!

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  206. If “male” I see you as being physically impotent. Someone who is clearly married to a fatty he is no longer sexually attracted to…holding on for deal life to his sense of “honor” in at least having someone who will “care about him as he grows old”.

    You need to state your age demographics, etc.

    Sounds like you’ve got me figured out. But I’m male now huh? 50 years old you say? And married to a fatty?

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  207. @PRCalDude

    I said “if” male.

    The cowardice continues. Those 4 questions stand.

    I noticed the feminist @hmmm defended you there…a WN racist being defended by a known feminist lurker.

    Who would have imagined that? Answer: Anyone who knows how feminists really think. The far left and far right join together like its a circle.

    We agree that Mel Gibson deserved his scammer, but you fail to understand that was because he had been a beta family values guy for so long who made that bizarre Passion of the Christ film while falsely believing he was capable of staying faithful to his aging wife.

    You’re heading in the same direction “if” male with all your talk about loyalty to American women.

    Because Mel Gibson had been a goody two shoes family values kind of “Christian” (and a racist WN type like yourself by the way – the irony of your contempt for him was not lost on me), he was uneducated on the difference between upper middle class educated Russian 9 and 10 women who tend to stay in Russia and the lower class scammer 5s and 6s like Oksana.

    You don’t get a quality foreign woman by sitting home among the fuglies, waiting for a scammer to save you from your aging wife.

    He also probably let the scammer make the moves…his being a film star wasn’t enough for him to know how to pick up young women on Malibu Beach or fly to Moscow like Bruce Willis does to pick up women. He had spent too long being a family values kind of guy.

    He therefore didn’t have a clue, just like you won’t when you’re 50 and had tried to be the loyal family male for 15 years before getting blind-sided by reality (if male).

    Do you believe in small government by the way? Did you vote for Bob Barr like I did in 08? Or the Constitution Party?

    Are you progressive? That means do you want to deal with old problems in new ways that exactly match what the National Organization for Women recommends?

    You’re afraid to answer that.

    If your answer is no to all 4 questions above, you’re not a problem. Except your preoccupation with putting Jews in ovens will probably get you liquidated in a Night of Long Knives if militias ever have to militarily take over parts of the USA in the future. Militia leaders won’t tolerate wackos in their midst when things get serious.

    You’ve shown that your hatred for Jews and blacks expands to anyone who isn’t part of your trailer park mentality.

    I see you found some faggot friends (also Asperger’s friends) who equate child porn with getting a bunch of 18 year olds to lift their shirts for a round of $2 beers (which counts as prostitution, paying for sex, etc).

    The definition of Aspergers Syndrome is when a person gets a simplistic thought in their mind and moves forward arrogantly on it, while everyone around them sees nuance and exceptions to the rule and where and how that simplistic thought no longer applies.

    Usually the Asperger’s types don’t know how to define the limits of what they’re talking about. That makes them easily manipulated by elites, especially those running a two party oligarchy like in the US.

    Example: Any of us can say we want to shoot pedophiles, but the non-Asperger’s types will understand the definition of a pedophile is someone who messes with someone before puberty or before age 14. Asperger’s types, not given to nuance, will just let feminists (CFR elites, etc) define “children” to include 17 year olds as well.

    These types will basically repeat whatever their “leaders” tell them. If Fox News tells them that a 17 year old is now a child they’ll believe that even though it wasn’t true yesterday. A good book to read about this is “1984” which, by the way, was about a government trying to interfere in the relations between a man and a woman.

    Asperger’s types are those that end up being the mob with pitchforks who will do anything the feminists want them to do while making up some sort of excuse like “family values.” Witness the bunch of Sarah Palin supporters that cheered when she praised the National Organization for Women in a speech in October 2008. YouTube video available upon request.

    In a 2 party system, this type actually steers the politics.

    Without Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court, Americans would have been fucked by the Aspies in both parties long ago.

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  208. With 160 countries in the world, the USA is one of only 4 countries that have 18 as the age of consent (not all US states yet, but the feminist Christian alliance is working on that feverishly).

    I noticed the White Nationalist PRCalDude saying it was cool that Turkish women spear-headed the recent Islamic Party takeover of Turkey in order to control their husbands’ sex lives (Turkey joined Saudi Arabia, Iran and several US states like California, Utah and Florida to raise their age of consent to 18 in 2004).

    A proper racist isn’t going to admire Muslim women pushing their religion on anyone, including their own men.

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  209. And a real man, no matter how much he wants a return to “family values,” isn’t going to be admiring any movement, spear-headed by wives who want to control their husband’s sex lives.

    Again, I noticed PRCalDude not denying that the WKKK had dominated KKK policy since the Civil War. A real man would have said “The WKKK needs to follow the men’s orders and, if that’s not the case, when I grow up to join the KKK, I’ll make the women follow the men”.

    Half the White Nationalist “males” are so pussy-whipped, that will never happen.

    Again, I’ll note that there are WN males who “get it” about feminism – if you do a Google search for Stormfront + IMBRA you will see that the moderators at Stormfront had to shut down a discussion of IMBRA because half the males were furious at the feminists for making a law forcing white American males to be background checked before talking to white foreign women.

    Here’s the Roissy post on IMBRA by the way:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/

    Regarding the “Family Values Racists” here:

    If Roissy has given the impression that he wishes US society could go back to pre-sexual-revolution days (I don’t believe he really wants that) this might explain the constant presence of wackos here that really believe that might happen.

    Even in a militia-controlled US after a nuclear war, Taliban types would be hunted down like dogs by Alpha soldiers who want to fuck their daughters.

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  210. I noticed the White Nationalist PRCalDude saying it was cool that Turkish women spear-headed the recent Islamic Party takeover of Turkey in order to control their husbands’ sex lives (Turkey joined Saudi Arabia, Iran and several US states like California, Utah and Florida to raise their age of consent to 18 in 2004).

    A proper racist isn’t going to admire Muslim women pushing their religion on anyone, including their own men.

    Yeah, that’s what I said kike.

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  211. He therefore didn’t have a clue, just like you won’t when you’re 50 and had tried to be the loyal family male for 15 years before getting blind-sided by reality (if male).

    No, I’m already 50, remember? Or female. Your call.

    Do you believe in small government by the way? Did you vote for Bob Barr like I did in 08? Or the Constitution Party?

    Oh what a surprise you’re also a Randroid. Kike promoting kike values because of some kike study also votes for a candidate from a party that derives it’s intellectual marrow from a kike.

    If your answer is no to all 4 questions above, you’re not a problem. Except your preoccupation with putting Jews in ovens will probably get you liquidated in a Night of Long Knives if militias ever have to militarily take over parts of the USA in the future. Militia leaders won’t tolerate wackos in their midst when things get serious.

    You’re having some sort of fantasy here.

    Example: Any of us can say we want to shoot pedophiles, but the non-Asperger’s types will understand the definition of a pedophile is someone who messes with someone before puberty or before age 14.

    Remember, 10 will get you 20.

    “Globe trotting hedonist cosmopolitan seeking post-pubescent (>14) girl for a little fun. Must be clean, preferably a virigin. Roofies provided.

    Call Jerry, Roman, or Muhammad if interested”

    How did we get in our heads that the same people vehemently defending prostitution were also perverts we’d like to keep away from our daughters? Hmmmm……

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  212. Oh puhleasse Jerry! Why not say if you want to pimp out your 12yo daughter then “it’s not hurting anyone so the government has no right to intervene” Libertarian claptrap? I believe minor cartoon porn may be legal in the U.S. anyway. Apparently it’s protected by the 1st Amendment because “no children were harmed by the making of this cartoon porn”. Perhaps we’ll see a legal challenge to the 1st Amendment when someone dares to make the leap from cartoon to lifelike CGI. However in much of the rest of the world such cartoon porn is illegal. Some guy in Australia got charged because someone sent him cartoon parody of Bart and Lisa Simpson doing it. Therefore: is the U.S.’s rate of child molestation rates way below the rest of the world because of said cartoon porn?

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  213. Jerry

    But would any of the WKKK take their tops off if you gave them $200, big boy?

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  214. “Therefore: is the U.S.’ rate of child molestation rates way below the rest of the world because of said cartoon porn?”

    No. Japan’s is.

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  215. […] Fundamentals“, “The Perfect Christmas Gifts for Your Girlfriend(s)“, “Want Fewer Sex Crimes? Legalize Victimless Sexual Outlets“, “The Psychosis of Single […]

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  216. The “benefits” of child porn = highly speculative (reducing abuse)

    the “negatives” of child porn = multi-billion industry with 15 year old jenna jamesons.

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  217. on December 5, 2010 at 1:56 pm Penis Mightier

    Fake child porn is a bad idea because if men were only satisfied with whacking to porn, they wouldn’t go out and seek to get laid by real flesh.

    If men who had no plans on being a father or marrying just stuck to adult porn and legal adult prostitution that would be a great way to cut down on single mothers and the welfare state.

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  218. instead of debating the idea of whacking off to legal porn.. and surely the hardcore pedophiles can get it if they want… explore a more germane issue…

    destroy the cultural prohibition of may / december romance. marriage minded /wealthy 30 somethings dating 17 year olds could be a positive thing IF their intentions are honorable. Why is it a cultural requirement fir women to acquire the sexual history of prostitutes prior to marriage? who thinks this is a good idea? and who wants to marry washed up sluts? spare women the degradation of fucking 20 guys and and marry them of sub 22… the historical norm. send fecundity through the roof. no wonder you cads dont want marriage… look at your selection.

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  219. @PRCalDudette

    Your cowardice in not answering the 4 simple questions about whether you believe in progressive lawmaking to regulate males…is noted for a 5th time.

    [No, I’m already 50, remember? Or female. Your call.]

    Considering that half a dozen men called you a mangina over the weekend, I wouldn’t be so proud that there’s confusion over your gender. Unless you’re a woman who is proud about being quasi accepted as a male on this blog, which is the more likely variant.

    At least I’ve never had my gender questioned. The worst insult I’ve ever had on this blog is a variation of “You cheated. That 10 didn’t count because you (insert game violation here).”

    Example: “You went overseas. Adult women overseas are like children because they haven’t had a women’s studies course yet. That 10 doesn’t count”.

    To say in British English “You’re a bounder, messing with women around the world instead of properly getting married so someone will care about you when you did’…isn’t an insult on this blog nor anywhere else frankly.

    It’s typical for feminists to establish themselves as “cool dudes” on the Internet in order to try to make their agenda seem manly. It doesn’t work here as you can see from the popular response to your “Marry an American woman and stop being narcissistic crap”.

    More evidence of Asperger’s Syndrome, typical of the socialcons who can’t be trusted again with political power: I just gave the DICTIONARY definition of child porn as it differs with underage porn (puberty marks the difference) and you made it seem like those who give DICTIONARY definitions must be perverts interested in 14 year olds.

    That’s the well-known anti-intellectualism of the religious right at work (your cowardice in declaring your specific politics is irrelevant).

    Only people with overall anti-male agendas throw the word “child” around when they really mean under-aged minors. Everyone knows its not just about semantics.

    More evidence that you’re female or a mangina: if any given Alpha male has a daughter who is 14 or 15, the period of time she’s in that window will be so short that he’s not going to become a screaming feminist shouting “Don’t let PUAs near your daughters” and go on forums with that agenda.

    On this forum “Don’t let this man near your adult daughters” is a compliment, not an insult.

    Your agenda opposes the host’s POV. I’m surprised he hasn’t asked you himself what the Hell you think you’re doing here.

    Maybe you were kicked out of Stormfront for being too weird. (for readers who don’t know, Stormfront is the main White Nationalist forum where its normal to talk about rebuilding ovens for the Jews).

    By the way, the Nazi “males” made policy according to what their women told them to do (Magda Goebbels for instance). The Nurnberg Race Laws were about Nazi women declaring all beautiful Russian and Polish women to be “inferior stock” in order to keep the German men (including their own husbands) from mating with them and wiping German female stock off the planet. The current feminist attitudes toward Russian women, enshrined in VAWA/IMBRA, are no different from Magda Goebbels’ Angst (Insecurity).

    The girly-men who did the will of Magda Goebbels were defeated soundly (annihilated in 1945).

    What kind of loser would take up their (and her) cause again 65 years later? Suckers for punishment?

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  220. Penis Mightier: you don’t know much about biology do you? You probably think that neutering male dogs helps cut down on unwanted puppies, too.

    The consequence of removing men from the breeding pool would just be that the single mothers would share fewer baby daddies.

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  221. In that same vein. Below is the link to a article which blames suicide bombers on lack of options in the sexual market.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/ten-politically-incorrect-truths-about-human-nature?page=2

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  222. I’ve always taken issue with the psychobabble about rape not being about sex, but power. It IS about sex. Power and dominance can be established easily without raping a woman. If she is already cowering in fear at the THREAT of violence against her, why is rape necessary? At that point, it IS about sex. What rape isn’t about is ATTRACTION (which is why some sickos will rape, say, an 80 year old woman). I’m not minimizing or trivializing rape, but I do believe it’s about sex for the perpetrator of the act.

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  223. All this site proves is that some males are desperate, whiny, perverts, pedophiles with mommy issues.

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  224. on December 19, 2010 at 8:47 am These Macadamians

    If a rape involves a perpetrator with an erection then it is about sex, because erection = sexual arousal.

    It may be about power but it is also about sex. Prison rape is a good example. Man on man rape is far more common in prison then it is on the street. On the street men try to assert power over other men, but they rarely do it with rape. But in prison they use rape far more often. Why? Because in prison they’re sexually frustrated, which makes it easier for them to sustain erections during homosexual rapes.

    Feminist fascists and religious female fascists, in conjunction with their male supporters, want to restrict men’s options in order to allow them to use sex for their own power. They don’t really care if it results in more rapes or other crimes, just as long as they get what they want.

    Case in point: Sweden. They banned prostitution, but have the highest rates of sexual assault in Europe. Some people blame immigrants but nearby Denmark, where prostitution is legal, has more immigrants but less rape.

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  225. “They banned prostitution, but have the highest rates of sexual assault in Europe.”

    Reports and actual assaults are different things, so may be it’s the difference in laws.

    “In that same vein. Below is the link to a article which blames suicide bombers on lack of options in the sexual market.”

    tch.

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  226. This study is biased. How come the professor failed to look at Russia?

    Possession is legal in Russia. Do you and the professor know what the numbers are on sexual abuse against minors?

    He specifically looked at two nations who’s crime across the board as practically non existent. Why is it that possession is legal in Russia and sexual abuse against minors is rampant? And those are the ones reported.

    What about the other study which showed 85% of those arrested for offences against minors such as molestation and rape admitted to possessing the material and in the interviews the pedophiles admitted that watching the material desensitized the act to them and frustrated them. Why did 85% of them got “hands on” if they had a lot of material?

    Also this material is on the Internet for anyone that wants it. It’s not that difficult to acquire if you want it, so the outlet already exists, all legalization would do is remove the threat of punishment for possessing the material. Again, 85% of people that were initially arrested for a “hands on” crime admitted they possessed the material. Why didn’t they keep their hands to themselves?

    This is biased and the professor has an agenda. I know his work.

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  227. on March 24, 2011 at 4:44 am These Macadamians

    “Why did 85% of them got “hands on” if they had a lot of material?”

    Why do most straight guys have sex with women in real life when they also jack off to female porn stars?

    Why do most gay guys have sex with other men in real life even though they jack off to gay porn?

    This should be obvious. Guys look at porn that contains the kinds of people they’re sexually attracted to. If they have the opportunity to sleep with said people in real life they’ll take that opportunity. It isn’t about the porn it is about the guys’ preferences. Men’s preferences determine what kind of porn they seek out just like it determines what kind of people they seek to have sex with in real life.

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