Alpha Or Beta Part 2

Commenter and all-around girly girl finefantastic left a link to this video of hippies in the woods wailing and gnashing their teeth for the souls of dead trees. You really have to see this to believe it. Warning: May cause irreversible omegatude by transference.

My comments can add nothing to this spectacle.

Verdict:

Alpha = the trees.

Beta = no one. Betas are above them in the human hierarchy.

These are the kind of men who cry when they ejaculate. I did get a little aroused when the girl at the end of the video screamed like a banshee. I imagined it was the monstrous length and girth of my cock — which I call “Sequoia” — stretching her womanhood to the breaking point.





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  1. Men who are into that sort of thing undoubtedly reject the whole Alpha/Beta hirearchy and don’t care where they might stand in it.

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  2. There was a guy I went to high school with that would always have his hand down his pants while he was standing around. It was nothing to him to be constantly fondling himself in public.

    You remind me of him with your preoccupation with your own penis. You understand, I hope, that most children go through that phase at some point and grow out of it. You clearly have not.

    While I wouldn’t join in with the spectacle on the video, I have to wonder why you or anyone else would care enough to comment on it. So, you don’t agree with it. What does it hurt you? It doesn’t, but you couldn’t even degrade them without having to typographically fondle yourself.

    I don’t have a problem with your lifestyle, with the pursuit of sex, or the tactics you use to secure it. I’d just like to point out that there is much more to life than that, and you’re missing out to be as old as you are and still stuck in the mind of a 19-year old.

    I don’t understand why people get so mad at you. You’re truly sad more than anything.

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  3. on September 10, 2008 at 2:58 pm Usually Lurking

    These people are absolutely no different than preaching Bible thumpers. They are desperately seeking moral superiority and finally decided that radical environmentalism is it.

    One of the great things about having this kind of religion is that you get a pretty upper class social circle.

    Moral Superiority and Wealthy Genes. And all you need to do to get it is cry for some trees.

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  4. on September 10, 2008 at 3:00 pm Usually Lurking

    I have to wonder why you or anyone else would care enough to comment on it. So, you don’t agree with it. What does it hurt you?

    Tristam, I am assuming that you don’t see the irony in you making this comment here?

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  5. Pupu suspects that these people may be sexually impotent so they are trying to have orgasms in a weird way.

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  6. on September 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm jonathanjones02

    This video is a perfect example of the necessity to address in some way the innate spiritual void still present when the idea of God is rejected.

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  7. on September 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm Patrick Bateman

    I think my sperm count dropped watching that video.

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  8. I love the douche-bags that comment on this site trying to knock Roissy down a few pegs. They’re obviously missing the point… lol

    And yes, the people featured in this video need to be slapped with their own ridiculousness. These people are EXTREMELY deserving of ridicule. The fact that they allowed it to be filmed is beyond me.

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  9. They actually remind me a lot of those people who were all praying for lower gas prices:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/05/30/ST2008053003189.html

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  10. Men who are into that sort of thing undoubtedly reject the whole Alpha/Beta hirearchy and don’t care where they might stand in it.

    Absolutely wrong. The leftie/hippie/activist types are extremely ambitious with regards to their future status in the hierarchy. They are working their way to the very top of our society by doing dopey leftie crap (like those Greenpeace tools on street corners in DC) in hope of eventually becoming a part of the Priest Caste at some university or NGO, where they will have a portrait of Nelson Mandela on their wall.

    On the other hand, I wonder if those hippies in the video weren’t just tripping on acid.

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  11. Tristam (#2) expresses my sentiments well. So, I ask myself, why is a person like me reading a site like this?

    I’m unapologetically gawking, and wanting to understand.

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  12. @4 UL

    No, there’s no irony. I’m simply pointing out that roissy’s lifestyle is a case of arrested development and suggesting he consider other things. If you think that’s the same thing as roissy ragging people and waving his erection in the air, you should also consider broadening your horizon.

    @8 KAB

    Just because I think the viewpoint expressed here is myopic and a little sad in adults, that doesn’t mean I don’t get it. You understand, of course, that your endless adoration for roissy only makes you a beta in his eyes, right? Think about it, what makes you any different from the males swarming around roissy’s alpha in the video?

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  13. on September 10, 2008 at 3:38 pm Turkeybaster115

    ROISSY….

    You saw the Dark knight right?

    Bruce wayne(christian Bale)- alpha or beta?
    Harvey dent(Aaron echarct)- alpha or beta?
    Batman(chritian Bale) alpha or beta?

    the whole superhero universe is fair game.

    We know peter parker is beta, but what is spiderman? my guess: Alpha Venom? alpha

    Robert downey junior as ironman, alpha or beta? War Machine, alpha or beta?

    The punisher alpha or beta?………..

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  14. @12

    Yes there is irony. You cared enough to comment on something, stating that you couldn’t understand why Roissy or anyone else would want to comment on it. Or something like that.

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  15. @ 10 PA –
    What I mean is that the men in the video probably don’t care about Alpha/Beta status as it relates to their standing among women. You are correct, however, that they most likely have career ambitions as intense as those of an aspiring i-banker or BIGLAW partner, though in a different manner.

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  16. @14 BlueBoy

    I think there’s a difference between my responding to roissy’s blog that has a comment section and roissy’s linking to a video to degrade the people in it and then resorting to sexual references to satisfy some stunted emotional development.

    This blog is here because roissy enjoys this attention and wants people to read and respond to his psychosexual infantilism.

    Besides, I don’t harbor any animosity toward roissy. I actually would very much hate to see him squander his life this way.

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  17. How old is Roissy anyway? The painting looked 40-ish, but it was mentioned he looked old in it…

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  18. You understand, of course, that your endless adoration for roissy only makes you a beta in his eyes, right? Think about it, what makes you any different from the males swarming around roissy’s alpha in the video?

    I’m not sucking anyone’s cock. Roissy has an interesting blog that I happen to value.

    I’m banging a smoking-hot bitch 8 years my junior who screamed out “marry me” last night as I was deep I her guts.

    She left her heels on too…

    yeah, definitely beta

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  19. Besides, I don’t harbor any animosity toward roissy. I actually would very much hate to see him squander his life this way.

    Yes, your problem is just that you care so much. You saint, you. And yes, there was a lot of unintentional hilarious irony in your first comment, no matter how bad you try to spin it otherwise.

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  20. @19 Ricky Raw

    Maybe you just don’t get it? Isn’t that the accusation that suits everyone’s purpose when someone dares to disagree with roissy?

    @18 KAB

    Well, sounds like you have a lot to prove, and were quite willing to do so. Yeah, you don’t seem insecure about it. Telling me the horny details of your sexual encounters, whether real or not, really demonstrates your maturity and independence. You don’t care what anyone things, do you?

    But still, you remind me a great deal of the crowd beating on roissy’s alpha in the game show video. Someone has dared to do something different to what you worship, so you’re leaping to his defense. I didn’t say that makes you gay, I said that makes you a beta. Deep down, you know that’s true.

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  21. I can’t bring myself to watch the vid — as someone who spent some serious time dabbling in the eco-fringe I know the behavior all too well.

    That said I think a lot of you are ‘way off in your interpretations of these people. There’s a lot of folks (a small minority, but in a big country that’s still a lot) who prefer trees and ducks and rivers to people. Nothing wrong with that, is there? And many of them don’t wind up stressing out over becoming NGO bigwigs. Many of them make lives for themselves doing things like leading hiking groups, or being field biologists.

    God knows there are some self-righteous assholes, some freaks, and some headcases among them. But that’s OK — for one thing, it’s true of every subculture I’ve ever run into. It’s a price we pay for having subcultures. For another, it’s also true of the “normal-world” crowd too, which has its share of assholes.

    Anyway, if my experience is a guide your generalizations about the eco-fringe world hold true only some of the time, and not an impressively large “some” either. In my experience, a fair number of the eco-committed have a lot of gusto for life. They like good food, sex, animals, rowdy art, and guns. They also happen to like nature a lot, and to find much of what advanced culture does to to nature to be pretty horrifying. Fringe eco-god Edward Abbey was anything but a drealocked, tie-died whiner. He was pissy, cantankerous, went through numerous women, didn’t avoid booze … Give “Desert Solitaire” a read — great book — and check out tales about him online.

    Hey, a blog where you can get a taste of what I’m writing about is Stephen Bodio’s. Bodio is a great nature writer himself, lives a simple life, travels to whacky places, enjoys dogs and friends … Give his blog a try, you may enjoy it.

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  22. Yeah this is completely out of the context of alpha/beta/omega since these people are just clearly batshit insane.

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  23. on September 10, 2008 at 5:02 pm Usually Lurking

    I think there’s a difference between my responding…

    People do not do things like that (crying for trees) unless they want to be seen (and commented on).

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  24. Besides, I don’t harbor any animosity toward roissy. I actually would very much hate to see him squander his life this way.

    Exhibit B in the case of Tristram vs. Irony.

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  25. Was the voiceover by Robert Hughes, the Ozzie expat by way of England art critic? I love him, actually. His description in his TV series Shock of the New of the moral underpinnings of America’s economic system is perfect when said in that accent and that voice:

    The ethic of American capitalism: grab the block, screw the neighbors.

    It sounds better when “grab” is “greb”, “capitalism” is “keptelizm”, and “neighbors” comes out sounding like “naiburrz”.

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  26. Michael, as you said, the people in the video are not really connected in any way (IMO), spiritually or otherwise, to people like E Abbey. They’re narcissists putting on a display, with the ecosystem being the arena for their amour-propre to best show itself.

    Listen to them! All they talk about is HOW THEY FEEL. They don’t give a damn about the trees…they care only about screeching about how they grieve the loss. Listen to one of them give the game away as she vapors on about how we’ve lost our identities, our souls, bla bla bla. No real interest in actual trees of course. Lordy, a lumberjack pays more real attention to a tree as he cuts it down, FEELS more respect for it, than those pathetic and disgraceful solipsists of Earth First.

    The only thing they ever notice are the flushing sensations they feel in their torsos whenever they think about themselves, which is all the time. Hence the value of the trees: they’re not going to interrupt the Ego Fest by saying anything or otherwise asserting their independent existence.

    Same with the animal rights stormtroopies (often the same people as the tree weepers): the animals aren’t ever going to be so rude and ungrateful as to dare express any feelings of their own about the state of the world.

    And that way, we’ll never forget who’s really the star of this particular show, will we?

    Earth First: pah! More like ME ME ME FIRST LAST ALWAYS AND ONLY ME ME ME

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  27. I obviously live in the wrong part of North Carolina. Nothing like that ever happens downtown…

    These people are cut from the same cloth as every other extremist; they merely worship a different idol. Have them speak in tongues and eschew haircuts and you’ve got a Pentecostal gathering in Alaska (possibly including the next VP).

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  28. Tristram, you seriously have me pegged. Yup, you’ve just crushed my entire framework. I’m going to go weep in a corner and lament my failure of a life now.

    lol

    You’ll have to try MUCH harder than that fool…

    But seriously, do you like the taste and feel of gizz as it slides down your throat?

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  29. Yours truly 17-

    How old is Roissy anyway? The painting looked 40-ish, but it was mentioned he looked old in it…

    Early thirties. Yes I’m sure. He’s said enough stuff here and there to allow a calculation. I could tell you with high confidence with a year or a most two but I’ll leave it at that.

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  30. Usually Lurking 3–

    These people are absolutely no different than preaching Bible thumpers. They are desperately seeking moral superiority and finally decided that radical environmentalism is it.

    Yes and no. More no than yes. The yes part is trivial, but substitute “like” for “no different than” and then ok.

    Feel it and intuit a bit more with your “right brain” before losing your “left brain” logic upon it.

    Leadership in this group appears to all be about who can most deeply and “genuinely” emot. Outright sobbing in grief for them thar trees gets the true devotional props. That would be the earth mother looking woman. This is a fertility cult. There is not an alpha male to be seen. I guess there could be one, but he’d always be having to receive mother goddess emoting grace to continue. His strings would be pullable. It would depend upon her.

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  31. This video made my day. Nothing would please me more than to show up in the background of video driving a bulldozer, and take out a few trees just to get their reactions on camera.

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  32. Just looked at a few secs of the vid. It’s indeed Robert Hughes on the v.o. — it’s footage from “American Visions,” the series he made alongside his book about American art. Both are great.

    Hughes — now there’s an arty, images-and-words-centric guy who’s majorly Alpha.

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  33. Oh well, nevermind. I’m universally despised for thinking life might be more than the demands of our bodily functions. I just think roissy is an extremely talented writer, talent wasted on the chronicles of his penis.

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  34. Tristram, I hope you learned your lesson. You don’t step up unless you have a strong airtight criticism…..or a point that can repel the attacks of a child with an IQ two standard deviations below the mean of a down syndrome infant.

    YEAH I’M TALKING ABOUT YOU “Kick a Bitch.”

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  35. on September 10, 2008 at 9:08 pm Usually Lurking

    Leadership in this group appears to all be about who can most deeply and “genuinely” emot. Outright sobbing in grief for them thar trees gets the true devotional props. That would be the earth mother looking woman.

    If you say so, I never actually watched the video.

    Point is, they went looking for Moral Superiority and found it in a new age religion.

    But, make no mistake about it, feeling Morally Superior is absolutely central to their environmentalism.

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  36. on September 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm Usually Lurking

    I’m universally despised…

    Not if that Universe includes me. I was simply pointing out that you were doing EXACTLY what you were criticizing Roissy of doing.

    “They weren’t hurting anyone, why did he have to comment on it?”

    He wasn’t hurting anyone, why did you have to comment on it?

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  37. Oh well, nevermind. I’m universally despised for thinking life might be more than the demands of our bodily functions.

    No. People are just pointing out how ridiculously ironic and disingenuous your original statement was. I don’t think anyone here actually said “How dare you think life is more than bodily functions.” Great misreprepsentation of what actually happened though. It helps to ennoble yourself and allow you to hang on to your illusion of moral superiority.

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  38. re: video

    WHAT.

    THE.

    FUCK.

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  39. I just think roissy is an extremely talented writer, talent wasted on the chronicles of his penis.

    Why is this a waste of talent? Seriously, what makes writing about the chronicles of one’s penis so evil or a waste of time?

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  40. 5 Pupu:

    Pupu suspects that these people may be sexually impotent so they are trying to have orgasms in a weird way.

    Pupu is a hidden genius.

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  41. 16 Tristam:

    Besides, I don’t harbor any animosity toward roissy. I actually would very much hate to see him squander his life this way.

    Perhaps you could expurgate your feelings about Roissy in the forest, wailing like a banshee.

    You have no understanding of Roissy’s work.

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  42. You don’t get much more Alpha than TR. There’s a huge chasm between as noted, the narcissists of the video, who are also as noted constructing a religion with themselves as priests, and the traditional TR type hunter-fisher conservationists.

    I’m not a hunter, I love to fish (and eat them, they are delicious!), so I want the wild places to be kept well, wild, and unspoiled as possible. Why? Because they are beautiful. No other reason.

    But I don’t cry over trees. That’s … idiotic.

    No, Palin did not speak in tongues. Her particular church discourages that and her pastor went on the record saying neither she nor any of the congregation ever did.

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  43. @34 DF

    What I think I learned is that the comment can’t be at all nuanced. It’s black, white or rejected.

    @36 UL

    I still maintain that there’s a difference between participating in a eco event that happened to be film that someone put on youtube that roissy decided to display and degrade than someone responding to what roissy has written for the purpose of getting responses.

    @39 RR

    It’s a waste for someone with talent to do this because anyone could do it. As you demonstrated for us earlier with your flattering story about your girlfriend, anyone can chronicle their sexual exploits. It’s a waste of talent for someone who can actually write.

    @41 TC

    And what makes you think you do? That it makes you feel good and empowered? You’re played by a good writer and you beg for more. Please.

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  44. It’s a waste for someone with talent to do this because anyone could do it. As you demonstrated for us earlier with your flattering story about your girlfriend, anyone can chronicle their sexual exploits.

    What story about my girl? What are you talking about?

    anyone can chronicle their sexual exploits. It’s a waste of talent for someone who can actually write.

    technically, anyone can write about anything. the question is, how many can they do it WELL? Not many. For example, anyone can write a romantic comedy, as seen by the tons of junk chick lit novels cluttering bookshelves and the movies starring Kate Hudson and Matthew MacConnaughey. A glut of bad romance novels have been around since the birth of the novel. Does that mean it was a waste of talent for Jane Austen, someone who could actually write, to produce the romantic comedy Emma?

    So similarly, who cares how many people can write about their sexual exploits. Few of them can write about them as well as Roissy, which means his talents aren’t being wasted at all.

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  45. 43 Tristam:

    And what makes you think you do? That it makes you feel good and empowered? You’re played by a good writer and you beg for more. Please.

    If you can’t at least acknowledge the potential socio-psycho-sexual-spiritual-romantic implications of this blog then you are more dense than I thought.

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  46. Tristram–

    Oh well, nevermind. I’m universally despised for thinking life might be more than the demands of our bodily functions. I just think roissy is an extremely talented writer, talent wasted on the chronicles of his penis.

    Don’t you see? This blog IS about much more than “chronicles of his penis”, or even about teaching the uninitiated the wonders and powers of game, and some of it’s rudiments. Workshops or books on game are much more efficient for that, at least once you’ve been sold on the power of the art.

    It’s about attacking feminism, or the radical sides of feminism that go WAY beyond equal rights in all spheres for both sexes, at their fundamental, marxist root. At their blank state root. But he’s doing it in a sharp, humorous, mating game commentary sort of way that’s just about irresistably fascinating. It’s a masterwork really.

    What the fundamental root of feminism that’s wrong? It’s that the sexes, beyond their pumbing, are a social construct and hence shall hereafter be referred to as the genders. What does roissy return to in nearly every post? 1) that men and women are fundamentally NOT the same*, particuarly in what they find most sexually attractive in the other; and 2) that society massively lies about this esp. since the feminist takeover of acceptable mass communication and even lies to itself, and that this is so internalized in nearly all of us that it’s a revelation to have it peeled away, as Roissy does post after post.

    *[They aren’t the same in other ways of great importance also, but he doesn’t focus there. Those other things, being less taboo and less obfuscated by layer upon layer of misinformation, are more out in the open. E.g. math abilities or interests. Emotional versus logical thinking. Same mean in IQ but women bunch more in the center while men are big at the tails, i.e a lot more male geniuses and also idiots.]

    All of this rocks marxist origin and lead feminism (yes, fundamentally so both in historical fact beyond the suffragette voting rights phase etc., and in continuing core ideology and leadership) to it’s core, if enough start to realize how much that black state of socially constructed gender identity and roles has no clothes, particularly in matters relating to mating.

    Oh, and why over time do men at least who have committed women and families or are sure they’ll get them as they progress work harder and more effectively than women, esp. at not so fun jobs which even lots of great ones require early on as a proving ground? Because women find work success in terms of status and money a turn on, while men do not.** In school academic success is more a long term bet and investment than a sort term chic magnet, so girls, who are far more obedient by nature than men, esp. alpha or even alphaish men, can well do better there or even if the first few years of work than men, esp. with feminist AA policies and caring hugely every step of the way that most women do at lest as well as men, while with men it’s *ahem* maybe not so bad if they fall behind for once (cue feminist ecstasy).

    **(Well they do find a certain amount of status, equal or a step lower but not lots lower a turn on, but it is a lesser factor. Men are notorious for actually keeping unacceptable status mistresses or even sometimes marrying them. So society is budgeoning him, rather than the low status turning him off a lot.)

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  47. today they weep
    tomorrow they take revenge

    anyone ever read tom clancy’s rainbow six?

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  48. The male:female ratio in this group of tree-huggers looks pretty good from the guys’ perspective, certainly a lot better than in any nightclub.

    Maybe these guys are smarter than you think.

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  49. on September 11, 2008 at 3:52 am Elizabeth Taylor

    My dear boy, you revel in nature, just an oddity of the sect these fellows are in. By stretching a womans vagina, you are simply allowing her to take nature by her own means. You are hardly part of the equation. It is truly about her, she is daughter of nature, she is powerful. You are a but mere branch to which she is the forest you inhabit.

    Know thyself, know the surroundings, know thy place within.

    L.

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  50. I was praying for a bulldozer to rip through the forest killing everyone in that group by the end of the video. A man can dream…

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  51. on September 11, 2008 at 11:42 am Patrick Bateman

    The male:female ratio in this group of tree-huggers looks pretty good from the guys’ perspective, certainly a lot better than in any nightclub.

    Maybe these guys are smarter than you think.

    Hippy girls are easy but even they would rather fuck real men. Nothing gets a hippy girl wet like telling her “Fuck the manatee!”

    Besides, only guys like you like that hairy bush.

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  52. 21

    Edward Abbey was a real man. He may have loved trees and nature, but he loved women too. He writes about shooting guns and banging girls named Candy in pickup trucks. He was a nature lover, the likes of which an Indian warrior might have been. He was still Alpha. Nothing beta about that. These tools are something else.

    And to think that I had thought the term “tree hugger” was figurative..

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  53. @48 peter

    and they definitely sport gnp’s (glorious natural pelts)

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  54. The people in the video aren’t actually sad about the trees. They are faking it. They first decided that people who care about trees are more virutous than people who don’t. (Nobody cares about trees like they care about other people.) Then, they set about demonstrating what great people they are because they care about the the trees so much. But it’s fake!

    “I want to mourn…”

    If she was actually mourning, she would need to say that she wanted to mourn. She would just mourn.

    “I want to tell them … that there are some people who do care.”

    Just before her speech, look at the shot of Sydnee Grace trying to work herself up. That isn’t a person trying to hold back tears, that’s a person trying to dredge them up like a soap opera actor.

    The woman at the end comes out and says, “I felt outraged, but I didn’t scream and I didn’t cry.” No shit. It’s because trees aren’t people, not even to her, not even if she would like them to be.

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  55. […] Earth First! This is easily the funniest thing I have seen today. Hat tip to Roissy. […]

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  56. on September 17, 2008 at 4:01 pm Comment_Might_As_Well

    First of all, I didn’t get why people hated the really, really wierd people in the video, but now I do. Okay. That was helpful.

    But I’d like to say that real liking of nature can be pretty easy. Before television, some people watched the “Small town drama channel” or “Church Live”(gossip center) and some people watched the “the Bird Channel” or just “the Nature Channel”. The channels that were right outside their house. Since these ‘channels’ are right up close and not behind a TV screen, people can become very attached to them.

    Then something like “a silent spring” happens and the “Bird Channel” goes down. The watchers get very upset.

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  57. Might as well–

    First of all, I didn’t get why people hated the really, really wierd people in the video, but now I do. Okay. That was helpful.

    It’s only under an ethic of pretty extreme liberalism and multiculturalism that people like that are left alone.

    Otherwise they are extremely vulnerable to being beaten to a pulp.

    One can feel a real urge to do so. Why? Because they are fundamentally so weak in a useless way, utterly unlike the pregnant woman needing — and deserving — protection from her man and his tribe.

    They feel parasitical. There’s a natural urge to sluff off parasites, and crush them like bugs.

    Civilized impulses and beliefs restrain this urge. After all, SOME of these parasites may have useful things to say sometimes, so let’s tolerate lots of weird voices and cults.

    Hence we do nothing physical but we do mock them.

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