“Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!”

Is this the worst text game ever? Survey says… yes!

“FF” left this comment:

Hello,

I’m wondering if someone could comment on my situation? I came home for xmas, and went to a xmas party at my friends last Thursday. There was a girl “Amy” there who I got introduced to but didn’t really talk to much during the party. Around midnight, me and 3 (guy) friends wanted to go to a bar. We asked if anyone else wanted to come and Amy came along (she didn’t know any of us 3). At the bar I danced with her, made out with her, and went back to her place. We had sex the next 3 nights and mornings. For the most part, we just met up at the end of the night, though one morning we went out for breakfast too.

Anyway, she had to go back to her parents for xmas, about 2 hours away. The first night she was gone (Sunday) I sent her a dumb drunken text message at 1am:

“no amy tonight! :p ”

She didn’t reply.

That night (Monday), I was out with friends, including Jen (Amy’s best friend) and some of Amy’s other friends. When the two other guys left the room to smoke, all the girls sort of cornered me and were teasing me about Amy (“sooooooo, where’s your girlfriend?!?”). I told them to fuck off and acted (I think) convincingly aloof. Then the next day (yesteday) Amy texts me, beginning this exchange:

AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

ME: Haha ok xmas at your place I guess 😉
ME: u back in [my-city] b4 xmas?

AMY: No I’m working. I’m coming back before new years around 29th

ME: guess u’ll need all that time to recuperate :p

AMY: And u can use that time to sleep. and listen to my friends make fun of u

ME: jen gave you your daily [my-name] update?

AMY: Haha. No. Jen just told me how much they were making fun of u. I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever

ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then having sex the next 3 nights and mornings is always fun gossip for friends
ME: I dont care I like the whole situation. I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for

HER: Haha. Well when you put it like that!

ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) 😀

And then that was it. I’ll point out there were long (20 minutes) delays between each message (except the ones without spaces between them) – I was driving on the highway, and she seemed to mimic my slow response time. So it didn’t abruptly end, but still.

I can see all sorts of mistakes in my text-game, but I figured given what went on between us it didn’t matter. To sort of fuck things up more I accidently texted her “im outside” when I meant to text another friend about an hour ago, she hasn’t responded.

So, what is the prognosis on my situation? The girl is quite hot (I wouldn’t be stressing if she wasn’t).

We can sometimes learn more from bad game than from observing good game. In that spirit, here is a rundown of where FF went wrong. This case is of particular interest because FF obviously had some attraction at the outset if she acquiesced to banging him for three days straight. But bad followup game can kill even a powerful physical attraction dead.

Also pertinent, Amy sounds like a class A slut. After all, she didn’t know FF before the party which served as the springboard to a three day bangathon. FF should have been able to surmise, then, that Amy would need hardcore uncaring asshole game to keep her slut train rolling on his tracks.

“no amy tonight! :p”

Right out of the gate FF has poisoned his exuberant three day sexual bender with Amy. Never be the first to admit you are missing a girl. Remember, your job as a man is to hang back and make her chase you. Now she is thinking that hers is the only pussy he wants, or presently has access to, and this impression has surely soured her feeelings for him. GIRLS WANT TO THINK YOU HAVE OPTIONS. The threat of male caddishness causes their hamsters to hyperventilate, which powers up the core tingle generator. The wagging tongue emoticon was a transparent coda to grant FF plausible deniability, but girls see through that shit like fake Chloe bags. It would have been much funnier, and less beta, if FF had left off the emoticon. “no amy tonight!” is suitably ambiguous (it could mean he’s really happy she’s not harassing him for sex again), and thus perfect for firing up Amy’s attraction to uncontrollable levels.

She didn’t reply.

Of course she didn’t. Is any regular reader of the Chateau surprised by this? She probably grimaced when the text came over the transom and had a momentary stab of regret for having hooked up with FF.

all the girls sort of cornered me and were teasing me about Amy (“sooooooo, where’s your girlfriend?!?”). I told them to fuck off and acted (I think) convincingly aloof.

Manipulate girl friends as leverage to maximize your alphaness. That’s what they’re there for. This was the perfect opportunity for FF to calmly say “Girlfriend? I wouldn’t use *that* word exactly.” This response avoids a spiteful sounding denial while planting the appropriate alpha asshole subtext in the girl friends’ minds that he could take or leave Amy. This message would undoubtedly get back to Amy, which would even more undoubtedly (re)stoke her desire for him.

AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

FF has spooked her. She is not-so-subtly hinting that she doesn’t want to be pressured into a relationship with him. From this point onward, FF is entirely playing into her frame. She is the puppet master, he the dangling penis on strings. Oh, poor Peenocchio.

ME: Haha ok xmas at your place I guess 😉
ME: u back in [my-city] b4 xmas?

Two of his texts to one of hers. FF has the golden ratio ass backwards. The liberal use of emoticons is not helping his cause, either. He is also tacitly assuming that more sex with Amy is a foregone conclusion. When you assume you make a beta out of u and me. Paradoxically, sluts really hate this assumption by the men they fuck. The tramp doth protesteth too much, and all that. Sluts, having served numerous tours of duty in the testicle trenches, are especially sensitive to men taking their pussies for granted. Most men don’t understand that sluts require more phony paeans to their womanly virtue, such as it is, than do chaste girls. Sluts, despite their propensity to give it up sooner, need to know that the men they jump into bed with don’t view their vaginas as 24 hour convenience stores. It is one of the funnier ironies of the universe, and it is what gives rise to the ludicrous sight of Samantha clones indignantly chastising their fly by night lovers for ignoring their emotional female needs.

So if you want to bang a slut more than once, it pays to pretend like you don’t want to bang her. Don’t worry, her pussy won’t hear you.

ME: guess u’ll need all that time to recuperate :p

More forced sexual innuendo. More manboy syntax. More emoticons. The pussy lips are folding in like a clam under attack.

AMY: Haha. No. Jen just told me how much they were making fun of u. I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever

When a girl mentions her sluttiness, like Amy is doing here, what you are actually hearing is the squeak of her hamster slowly realizing she slept with a beta, and the little bugger is now angling for the confirming blurt of gratitude from the beta who got lucky. Also, calling herself a hot chick is a dead giveaway that her ego is helium filled, and needs the pinprick of a few missile strike negs. FF did not supply those negs.

ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then having sex the next 3 nights and mornings is always fun gossip for friends

Still dancing to her frame. How does he change the frame and reverse the polarity? Like this: “Hey, they’re your friends.” Even better: “Hot?”

ME: I dont care I like the whole situation. I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for

A little mystery? Now that she knows exactly how much her pussy captivated you for those three days, what fun is there for her in this? Again, note the two texts to her one. And so wordy! Somebody call an amber lamps. This guy is bleeding out alpha capital. Advice: Save the sex talk for face-to-face, preferably *right after actual sex*. You sound like a needy, and slightly creepy, chump here. “Picture perfect”? Painful.

HER: Haha. Well when you put it like that!

Ok, she gives him what he thinks is a positive reply to his bawdy wooing, (but which is in actuality the type of non-flirty verbal ejaculation you would hear from a woman who is temporarily stunned into disbelief by an egregious display of betatude). And of course, like a happy little puppy, he humps her leg:

ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) 😀

The nail in the coffin. What aphorism comes to mind?… oh yeah, don’t count your boobies before they hatch. Or: past performance is no guarantee of future results.

“Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!” might be the greatest game-killing line ever uttered in history. What makes it so great is that in the right context, it could double as a *most excellent* alpha neg, akin to “bring the movies“. What’s the right context? Like perhaps in the glow of post-coital bliss. Or the next morning, sent like a dangling modifier minus the emoticon, and no other texts afterward no matter how she replied. Had FF done that I bet he would be enjoying another three day bangout with Amy.

FF thought that three days of sex would imply a margin of error to fuck up any follow through game. But most girls in this day and age who aren’t virgins are not locked down by a weekend of sex. Simple penetration won’t cut it anymore to win the hearts of our current crop of aggrohos. Now if FF had had three *months* of sex with Amy plus one morning of her staring at him with concern in her big, limpid eyes fretting that she wishes FF would say more pillow talk so that she knows he feels as much for her as she does for him…

THEN he’d be riding a margin for error so wide he could fart in his cupped hand and share the gas of love with her.

Come to think of it, cupping farts and assaulting a girlfriend’s nose with the captured effluvium is not really beta, is it? No, no it isn’t.

FF’s text “game” should serve as a good example of how badly direct game can fail when wielded clumsily, or in the wrong context. Moral of the story: Sex is no substitute for game, especially when dealing with sluts for whom sex is as consequential as taking a dump.





Comments


  1. I learned everything I needed to know about text game from the bring the movies guy you covered a while back. Thanks for that, by the way.

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  2. I literally lurched forward in pain when I got to the part where he really hits his stride texting

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  3. What, re-runs already?

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  4. Examples of bad game really are great learning tools. And this one is especially effective as obviously FF wasn’t just an un-helpable tool, but actually managed to get the girl to begin with.

    One question: With a girl like Amy is there really any point in pursuing after the initial three-day bender?

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  5. i really hope “Amy” reads this post.

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  6. The “im outside” message, while an accident, pushed him from fail to borderline restraining order.

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  7. Also…have some self respect and use real words while texting. MAYBE, maybe there was an excuse for “c u 2-nite” in the age of the flip-phone, but in smart-phone era, real grammar is a must.

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  8. It’s not entirely clear why Amy fucked FF, especially for three nights in a row. Clearly, as noted, he lucked into something, but is he especially good looking? Was she really horny? Did he inadvertently display good game at the bar?

    I’m guessing he must have performed well sexually, or she wouldn’t have come back. If the fucked six times- night and morning over three nights- she must have been motivated to have sex with him *each time*.

    From the standpoint of normal human emotions, having had sex for three nights would imply you have *some* kind of relationship. But I guess sluts don’t have normal human emotions, and I’m afraid women don’t have normal human emotions.

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  9. Oh, poor Peenocchio

    LOLZ!

    Great analysis but in FF’s defense, many of us have made similar mistakes. With Game, lack of knowledge is an excuse, given the false messages we’re given elsewhere.

    Before learning that Game even exists, we had John Hughes movies. I tended to pedestalize quality girls (pretty, demure, from good homes) whom for some reason I attracted easily. In contrast, I was an arrogant asshole toward girls I considered second-rate (ie, girls who were hot but lacked a certain patrician refinement).

    The results were bewildering to me, but unsurprising now.

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  10. “Still dancing to her frame. How does he change the frame and reverse the polarity? Like this: “Hey, they’re your friends.” Even better: “Hot?”””

    This is very important.

    I’ve learned that it doesn’t matter what you say, as long as you say something that doesn’t agree with whatever she’s saying.

    Reversing the polarity always evokes a reaction.

    I’ve been caught out in these situations and tried to say gibberish as long as it doesn’t sound like I’m complying.

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  11. ah ff.
    poor peenochio. The little worm wont be getting any attention for a while.

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  12. Wow. This is the equivalent of a quarterback fumbling the snap on a kneel-down at the end of the game.

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  13. Paradoxically, sluts really hate this assumption by the men they fuck. The tramp doth protesteth too much, and all that. Sluts, having served numerous tours of duty in the testicle trenches, are especially sensitive to men taking their pussies for granted. Most men don’t understand that sluts require more phony paeans to their womanly virtue, such as it is, than do chaste girls. Sluts, despite their propensity to give it up sooner, need to know that the men they jump into bed with don’t view their vaginas as 24 hour convenience stores. It is one of the funnier ironies of the universe, and it is what gives rise to the ludicrous sight of Samantha clones indignantly chastising their fly by night lovers for ignoring their emotional female needs.”

    English please?

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  14. somebody call the amber lampse. LOL

    Great post.

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  15. I’ve hit something that horrific before during probably the worst part of my life, but that was years before CR appeared. FF had knowledge of this blog and others. No excuse.

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  16. @ RP

    “English please?”

    Sluts don’t like to be reminded that they’re sluts.

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  17. Now this is what I am talking about, pure, simple, regurgitation for idiots like me.

    Gonna go see the bring the movies post.

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  18. Funniest thing I’ve read in awhile.

    I also cringed several times throughout.

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  19. “Srsly tho” is the Ryan Leaf of text game, somehow he got in there and no one knows why.

    What happens next:

    he squeak of her hamster slowly realizing she slept with a beta, and the little bugger is now angling for the confirming blurt of gratitude from the beta who got lucky.

    Sidenote, there are good looking betas and naturals who can still get laid, missing and failing shit test after shit test, but I guess FF isn’t good looking enough to compensate for epic beta explosions. Or maybe you have to do it in person, so the girl can be awed by your looks, not disgusted by faceless texts. We could be wrong, Amy may have saddled up for round two anyway.

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  20. on December 28, 2010 at 1:10 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “Seriously tho! my cocka rocks!”

    woulda solved everythinsgs zlzolzolzllzzozlz

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  21. on December 28, 2010 at 1:12 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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    you sperminated her three igts in a row the hoe!!!!

    zlozzolzzlzolzlz

    now let hjer go marry a beta so that bernanke can enlsleve the beata iwth his fiat welath trandferring divorce regime t raise your bastard chidlrebnd.

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  22. Third!

    I learned a lot from this post and gave my responses earlier.

    I’d like to share my own experience in understanding text game.

    I banged 7 I met online who flaked once and then was on and off until I used the “please, no gameplaying” killer text learned here.

    Then she confirmed. She was short, cute, big tits and had a bit of an attitude. I parried all her shit tests, assumed the sale and brought her back to my place for a 3 hour fuck fest. She likey.

    Two days later I send her the following:

    Me; Spank your ass

    Her (2 minutes later) Really? You miss my ass?

    Note the shit test…dangling beta bait. I now recognize this. Old me…: “Yah, when we gonna meet up?”

    New me:

    Me: 10 minutes later: You miss my spanking

    Her: 1 minute later: haha ;-p

    Note her emoticon.

    Me: I didn’t reply….I’ll set up another one-on-one in the next week or so. She works near where I live.

    Text game is important here despite what many are writing.

    Girls live online. They live on their iPhones, Facebook, MSN etc.

    It’s how they communicate.

    You need to be able to gauge how to expand and contract and communicate using these channels.

    FF…..it appears lucked out in banging a slut… Then he made her know he felt lucky or eager. Then he lost hand.

    He could save this, but he’d need to ignore her for weeks and then reply with a “Spank your ass” type of non-sequitor text.

    Chicks today know how to reply to “Spank your ass” texts….they get that you’re gaming them. They want to test you to see if “Spank your ass” is alpha or if it’s some line.

    In my case, the “You miss my spanking” was pure CH reframe, but it worked in establishing that we’re on in future.

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  23. on December 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    Jumobotron test.

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  24. Hopefully the phrase “epic fail” will be retired at the end of 2010 – but this text game is just that.

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  25. Horrible text game? Absolutely, but the worst? No way. Try dating a 19-22 year old with multiple orbiters to see some truly bad text game.

    As for Amy, I’m willing to bet that she’s probably a little slutty, but its more likely that our friend FF was a rebound/revenge fling.

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  26. A truly norty thought just crossed my mind – wouldn’t it be fun to pretend to be as beta as possible after having sex with a slutty girl you dont want to ever see again? Text game would be ideal for that. Just laugh imagining the horror on her face after she realises she has let some random loser penetrating her to the core.

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  27. @askjoe
    “Srsly tho” is the Ryan Leaf of text game, somehow he got in there and no one knows why.

    Buahaha I very rarely laugh out loud at stuff I see on my computer. But that did the trick.

    I can’t believe some guys like FF get laid in spite of themselves. There was a grinding between them on the dancefloor, then a makeout transpired, a then a pull occurred. This really does seem to sound like “it just happened”–i.e., he didn’t take the lead.

    Girls I’ve been banging for awhile occasionally show me texts their orbiters sent them. Sometimes I’m a little astounded I don’t get laid more by just not being a weirdo. “Srsly tho! ur pu$$y rox! :P”

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  28. Be all the beta you can be when you want rid of a girl. Reciting poetry’s a good one

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  29. ff didn’t give any real details about how he landed the girl, but i’m inclined to believe that she simply wanted cock over the weekend and he happened to be at the right place at the right time. if it wasn’t him, it would have been one or more of his 3 friends.

    i.e. he never had hand to begin with, he was in her frame from the very beginning. from this perspective, his horrendous texting isn’t that much of a big deal because it’s not like he had to work to maintain hand – he never had any! when you’re at the bottom, there’s nowhere to go but up.

    he was a pump and dump. expecting more out of it was his mistake.

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  30. “Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!” is the anti “bring the movies”

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  31. “English please?”

    You clem. That is quality stuff, I laughed hard. (It’s also very valuable info that’s not intuitively obvious). I like these too:

    “she gives him what he thinks is a positive reply to his bawdy wooing, (but which is in actuality the type of non-flirty verbal ejaculation you would hear from a woman who is temporarily stunned into disbelief by an egregious display of betatude)”

    Very true, damn. I’ve seen this one many a time.

    “When a girl mentions her sluttiness, like Amy is doing here, what you are actually hearing is the squeak of her hamster slowly realizing she slept with a beta, and the little bugger is now angling for the confirming blurt of gratitude from the beta who got lucky.”

    Spot on.

    On a downside note: fart jokes are fucking terrible, always.

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  32. Meet FF’s Oklahoman counterpart

    “Now Sedille, 23, is facing the possibility of a murder charge in Canadian County, Oklahoma, in the death of his wife, 50-year-old Rebecca Sedille — who died when the handgun went off in their bedroom.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/28/oklahoma.sex.death/index.html?hpt=T2

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  33. “A truly norty thought just crossed my mind – wouldn’t it be fun to pretend to be as beta as possible after having sex with a slutty girl you dont want to ever see again? Text game would be ideal for that. Just laugh imagining the horror on her face after she realises she has let some random loser penetrating her to the core.”

    I’ve often thought about doing this to get rid of freaky sluts I don’t want to see anymore but could never bring myself to do it. Instead I roll out the asshole and brace for the inevitable pregnancy card they like to play.

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  34. I cringed when I read that for the first time, and by the way “bangout” golden my friend.

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  35. “Also…have some self respect and use real words while texting. MAYBE, maybe there was an excuse for “c u 2-nite” in the age of the flip-phone, but in smart-phone era, real grammar is a must.”

    I used to think this as well, but it comes across like you are trying to make everything perfect for her and that you have time to edit your texts.

    I prefer to mix it up nowadays: “see you 2nite.”

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  36. This was really, really horrible.

    Emoticons and all.

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  37. on December 28, 2010 at 3:30 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    once upon a time

    a man

    would have been man enough

    to run

    from a chick

    he just fucked three nights in a row

    who let him fuck her

    three nights in a row

    barely knowing him

    zllzozoozloozlzololzoz

    hey guys in 2011 i am thinkikng of writing more free verse poety like the baove and less lzozzlzzlzleoslsos, eleozolzolzozozlzl lozozzlz shzinuit zlzoozlz but still no butthexxulala

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  38. dont really see the issue here…bad game aside.

    you banged a ho for three days and she bailed cause you said some stupid shit.

    Did you want to date her? She did you a favor. You’re lucky you don’t have the clap.

    Never forget that hot pussy is plentiful for those with the gear to garner.

    Three days should be around the limit for skeezy sluts like your sweet Amy…but you should have been the one calling it.

    ho,ho,ho merry xmas

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  39. Reading his text game just ruined my holiday.

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  40. First

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  41. So if farts are a neg, how about shit?

    Imagine, during the 3 day bangfest Amy takes a break to fix her makeup in the bathroom. FF walks past, slaps her on the butt and sits on the toilet. Big fart then spashes of turds dropping while she stands agast.

    Would this have been too far? Where do you draw the line?

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  42. worst line ever.

    dude really needed advice after typing that?

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  43. I know a hot girl who engages in farting contests with men, details her shits, etc. I dunno whether to find it disarmingly alluring or disturbing. I think there needs to be a certain measure of prudishness in a girl so that things like farting are met with at least mild shock and disapproval. A bit of yin/yang contrast, if you will.

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  44. The hardest thing to figure out is a woman that likes you, she makes out with you, she sleeps with you, she steps out with you, and then POOF, you fail a shit test and its all over.

    That’s probably the main reason I shudder at marriage. I can fail one shit test, or go “on tilt” like FF and fail a whole series of shit tests, and completely unwind the last year or 2 of good work.

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  45. From a female perspective, FF’s final nail in the coffin was when he texted back “I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for”

    That is NO compliment, it would make any woman feel like a piece of meat.

    FF would have made out better with texting “Ur cool, I liked hanging out with u, let’s do it again”

    Texting porno talk is a huge turn off. If you’re gonna be an Alpha – do it with class, be smooth and suave not some dirty horn dog. Nothing would send women running faster than saying “ur pussy rocks.” epic fail

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  46. Text messaging back and forth should never be done. He should be too busy out making money or shovelling snow or digging ditches to bury his enemies or some shit like that.

    Just ask yourself if Ghengis Khan, a man who killed his first man to prove himself ready to lead his household at age 12..a man who, along with his children and grandchildren, did so much fucking his genes are still active to this day, would be text messaging. I do not think so.

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  47. @Internet,

    Wow. I really am an enormous o-mega-faggot. I mean, there’s Game; and then there’s everyone who has it; and then, outside of all that, there is myself, FF. I bet I never see a vagina again. Ever.

    Sincerely, and 100% authentically (as in, this is definitely the original FF and not, instead, someone else making fun of him — err, I mean me),

    FF 😛

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  48. “That thing”???

    “Up in my face”???

    I weep for the future.

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  49. FF: There is no failure, only feedback. One step up the ladder at a time.

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  50. @ohiostater

    the 100% surefire way to guarantee that you won’t lose a game is to not play. these days there is very little to gain for a man to get married, and everything to lose.

    but even if you insist on getting married, you should only do so if you have so much hand that you can afford to fail a few shit tests. you must have such overwhelmingly higher value than your wife that the thought of not having you around soundly trumps any satisfaction she can get from getting half of what you own.

    for most, it’s easier to simply not get married.

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  51. on December 28, 2010 at 3:06 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  52. on December 28, 2010 at 3:12 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    the internet without CH would be like ….

    a hot chciky without gbfm’s cocka lzozlzlzlzozo

    a doughnut without a hole

    a gina without a hole lzozlzolzozo

    tucker max iwthout his secretive butthexual powers

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    the weekly standadth without neoconsths lzozlzlzlolz

    the alphabet without the letters m-z lzoizozozlzlz

    a car without wheels lozozzo

    gbfm without an extra large magnum condom to keep his tiny sperm from becoming giant holes in his bank acocunt and assetts through which teh fiat divroce dregime can suck him dry lzozozozlzlzolzoz

    an airlplane without wings

    ben beranke wiythout his beard lzozlzozlzozl

    jonah goldberg without his dc pizza expensive nice dc pizza in da beltway as he screams “mnore war more fmeinsims more war more war WARWAR! WAR1 lozozozolol chomipnuig donw his pziziziizziiziza.”

    lotsa without teh cocka, and cocka without the lostsa zlozlzlz

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  53. “Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!”

    When I saw the actual post I thought of the whole world become Who-ville.

    I thought of the KKK, the Black Panthers, militant lesbians and white slavers in Barbary alike holding hands and singing:

    Fah who dumb ass! Fah who dork-aze! Dah who dumb-ass! Dah who dork-aze! Welcome jackass, Seldom ass for you….

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  54. Imagine, during the 3 day bangfest Amy takes a break to fix her makeup in the bathroom. FF walks past, slaps her on the butt and sits on the toilet. Big fart then spashes of turds dropping while she stands agast.

    Would this have been too far? Where do you draw the line?

    Asking her for a blowjob while you shit? (Blumpkin)

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  55. LOL

    A True Cringe. I could only read the last few texts with one eye open. hahaha

    Good analysis, .. he let himself go after a little easy friend of a friend from out of town slut time.

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  56. “psycho
    FF: There is no failure, only feedback. One step up the ladder at a time!
    ———–

    Indeed, the learning curve is a curve, not two dots. There’s no jumping ahead, but as long as you do keep learning, you’ll be fine.

    Aside from the catastrophic text game which would have probably made even a deeply-in-love girl lose interest, at least you do have the satisfaction of getting the bang(s) in the first place.

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  57. “no amy tonight! :p ”

    “She didn’t reply.”

    No shit. Any guy who puts a dump ass little smiley face at the end of any message or correspondence needs to be castrated, immediately. Does he think that something that reflects the emotional maturity of a twelve year old girl is attractive to women?

    I am glad she dumped his whiny ass. A slut needs to fucked by a proper asshole.

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  58. [I once sparred with a woman on a social networking site this way :]

    Connie :

    Sometimes one needs to stop and think whether your in fact living a self-centered life or a life-centered self and ask yourself who you truly are beneath your comfort zones of conditioning, defenses and limiting beliefs. Being real with yourself is hard, but it needs to be done if you’re going to live authentically.

    Me :

    ‎… and how many men have surrendered themselves to the tedium, drudgery, and hellish demands of a regimented life … that unsympathetic march towards a questionable goal, in the company of the despised, lead by the visionaries ???

    And their obstacles are legion, their sirens seditiously seductive in their call for surrender … all for the sake of an enervating armistice in self contemplation …

    No, rather the struggle, the comradeship, the sacrifice. Let me be mourned by veterans, instead of wined by women.

    No thought is required for such an existence. For the end does justify the means … no matter how mean your end is …

    [This started another philosophical debate :]

    Connie :

    R … Love is the biggest and most powerful force of all on earth. Its found on the most furthest side of all logic, defies any practical understanding, Can shred and tear dreams like no animal could, and it can nurture from nothing into …the most tender of all blossoming. Its lack or driving force are the reason for wars, social demise, and it will bleed you dry . Its the tender hope, the most gentle whisper, the deepest desire, the ultimate expression of oneness, forgiveness…It brings the stars into people’s eyes. Rains down in torrents and heals lives. It touches the core of our being when it expresses itself through our hearts and minds. It rejuvenates like a river when it quenches our dry river beds. Because we LOVE , we have faith and hope and continue to survive..

    Me :

    Well what can I say, from everything you have worshipfully written about love, I can concur that these are all ennobling reasons for the reverent pursuit of romantic ecstasy … that headlong rush into the promised land of a Mills & Boon Novel.

    But the romance always ends. And what must one do then ? Well look at what else is on sale besides Mills & Boon Novels. You can go and loose yourself in the fantasy section, seek inspiration in the self help section, or else test your sensibilities in the crime section. There is the grandstanding of the newspapers, the morbid fascination of the tattle rags, and when all else fails … head off to the travel section.

    All this in the HOPE of avoiding Mills & Boon.

    Love is duty Connie-deary. You’ll find that in the biography section.

    [She had more than a thousand friends. This more than anything, due to the alluring photographs on her profile. Ultimately I discovered them to be fake. So I dropped her.

    But while it lasted, I was the only one that challenged her beliefs. And later she told me explicitly how obnoxious I was. Oh well … ]

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  59. could someone explain “bring the movies”? read the post, don’t really get it.

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  60. How can ANYONE who reads your blog, be THAT bad at text game…

    Really. I stopped reading around “what more could a guy ask for” because the betatude was just sickening me.

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  61. I love RandomChick’s take on it:
    “‘From a female perspective, FF’s final nail in the coffin was when he texted back “I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for”

    That is NO compliment, it would make any woman feel like a piece of meat.

    FF would have made out better with texting “Ur cool, I liked hanging out with u, let’s do it again”

    Texting porno talk is a huge turn off. If you’re gonna be an Alpha – do it with class, be smooth and suave not some dirty horn dog. Nothing would send women running faster than saying “ur pussy rocks.” epic fail'”

    So the lesson here is it that we all know that girls are just glorified pieces of meat, but we have to pretend otherwise. As someone recently mentioned in the comments of one of the more recent posts, a lot of “game” is just trying to point out to a girl aspects of her personality that you like (that is, you’re probably going to have to manufacture those aspects). .

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  62. Enjoy your wine. They’d leave you in a heartbeat for Ghengis Khan.

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  63. could someone explain “bring the movies”? read the post, don’t really get it.

    sometimes, when a man and a woman love each other enough, they express their love by watching movies together, snuggled on the couch. Thus, it’s great game to tell your special, one and only woman, to “bring the movies.”

    Hoped that helps.

    Anyway, what about gushing? I’m sure there’s been a time in even the host’s life where he’s with a girl who’s just hot, and feels the need to compliment. Every guy at some point feels the need to be all like “dayam, you are hot!” Whether when she’s doing a stripper dance for you or just looks hot in an outfit, her beauty may overwhelm you. There needs to be guidelines for gushing…or is this one of those automatic beta signifiers that signals to the girl that she’s too good for this guy and something recovering betas just have to get over. This knowledge possibly could’ve helped FF, among others.

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  64. What’s up with Marellus? Or is that advanced Charles Dickens game?

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  65. The saddest part about all of this is that early on, the girl was telling him when she’d be in town again for more. He could have easily gotten more ass had he just not jerked off his perversions to the girl via text messages, even after he fucked up the first few shit tests she threw at him. I feel no sympathy for this guy because he’s a reader of this blog and should know better. Hopefully he’ll learn and improve from everyone here calling him a stupid beta male.

    Also, walawala, I like your game there, I’ll definitely use “spank your ass” as a text opener some time with a girl I’m just keeping around for sex. Good deflection too. That’s exactly how texting a girl should go.

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  66. @luvsic
    “I literally lurched forward in pain when I got to the part where he really hits his stride texting”

    @whatever
    “A True Cringe. I could only read the last few texts with one eye open.”

    Buahaha this reminds me of people’s reactions to watching 2girls1cup and similar videos for the first time.

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  67. Folks,

    It’s a good post since it shows how text can go wrong.

    Everyone has made mistakes in their dealings with dames. So let’s go easy on the FF guy,
    especially since he did shtup the girl several
    times first. If you claim never to have made crazy mistakes with girls you liked, then you’re a desktop PUA with a big stash of manga porn…

    Or you’re George Clooney

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  68. And welcome back GBFM

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  69. Anyway, what about gushing?

    I’ve used gushing to my advantage.

    Overall my strategy seems to be that you can be enthusiastic and intimate and loving and romantic to a near unlimited degree. The only constraints are given to you by the context; the surrounding behaviors given to you by the girl and yourself. If you are the constant boss, who is being respected and given signals to proceed, you can play with the girls camera hungry narcissism by saying “ya baby!”

    This is again a portion of game that the anti aloof crowd seems hell bent on NOT learning.

    I’ll call it showing interest game.

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  70. I love the posts by the chateau proprietor. Well done.

    He has created two mythical heroes in my mind: Bring the movies guy and skittles man. Fuck WWJD, I wonder what these guys would do.

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  71. This post does highlight the old adage: “Familiarity Breeds Contempt”….

    FF banged this girl over 3 days and then got too comfortable with that falling into that vortex of what many of us now know as “one-itis”.

    This is how one-itis starts….

    Context is everything here.

    What I’ve learned from this blog is that if you establish an alpha frame early or at some point, comments like “seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!” would work…This would work if he was banging her on a regular basis and she was into him.

    Now…it comes off as clingy and needy.

    As for the learning curve, these mistakes are not the end, they’re only the beginning if you correct in future.

    What FF needs to do in this case is walk away and not engage.

    She’ll contact him again.

    The beta-tude is like heroin for chicks. They are addicted to it even though it’s in the end not good for them.

    They want to have that “safe” feeling of a guy that they know will always pine away for them.

    I had a girl I was gaming actually tell me this. “Every girl wants the feeling of being chased”.

    The problem is that when they are chased…that feeling of wanting it goes away.

    A remedy I’ve established with girls I’m gaming and know is to be more unpredictable: aloof, distant, then engaged, sensitive, listening the next, physical, then remote.

    It’s a way of calibrating so that if I’ve realized I’ve crossed into the beta-zone, I can disappear for a few days, neg the target or let her think I’m off somewhere so that she starts to reach out.

    Girls who are interested always send “Trial texts” or Instant messages”: Things like “Are you going to xxx?” or “did you see that xxxx?”

    If you’ve been overly verbose at first, these trial texts present a good opportunity for “yup” or “maybe” or “come out” responses.

    As for the “Spank your ass” text…that evolved recently after an interaction with a girl I’d banged.

    She wrote me: “Kick your ass”…..and I replied…”Gonna Spank your ass”

    Just like Nike’s “Just do it” which orginally had been coined “Just fucking do it”, I shortened it to “Spank your ass”

    Her instant reaction to that lead me to use it on other chicks I was gaming.

    I’ve learned a lot about gaming from paying attention to how chicks react and engage. Then adapting some of those techniques.

    “Spank your ass” try it.

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  72. … that the aloof crowd seems hell bent on not learning.

    If you need to condense knowledge to first principles, it would be don’t give her hand. Not, be aloof, not don’t show interest, not don’t be enthusiastic.

    Simply – don’t give her hand.

    As use your cell phone as a prop to gush about her, move in for the kino shots of the two of you. Cement yourself together as a couple. Its not only after a week of making tough oncompromising demands on her up and past the point of relationship brinksmanship that you say “God, your face is beautiful!”. You can also throw shit like that into the first few dates.

    If you finely gauge the situation, your tap can at times gush to advantage without splashing soapy water all over the kitchen. You don’t want to have a wimpy and weak kitchen tap – at times you want it to gush.

    Some readers may be familiar that I enjoy rape role play. I’ve mentioned Daddy fucking role play as well. What may surprise readers even more is that sometimes I go all out with romance fucking. I know, the thought of two people crooning “I love you, I love you” may shock and disgust people.

    You can display any depth of romantic behaviors, if they are surrounded by the humorist male who leads and takes no shit. It’s a radio station, people. It’s a TV set. You need not just comedies and dramas, not just heavy metal and rock anthems. You need the schmaltzy romance and the love ballads.

    Your job as a PUA is to be a DJ, and get the mix right. It isn’t to throw out the classics.

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  73. xsplat, did you get my email? Just looking for further info on something you posted. (If you can’t find it, no probs)

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  74. A girl who leaves a party and goes to a bar with a group of guys she doesn’t know, without any girlfriends along, has decided to get laid. Maybe she’s a slut, maybe she’s on the rebound or getting “revenge” on a boyfriend she’s fighting with, but she’s going to bang someone that night. FF just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and either a little better looking or a little more confident than his buddies, so he got picked.

    Happened to me a couple times, back in my white-knight-beta days. I was decent-looking enough, and shy enough that I didn’t sabotage myself, so sometimes I did get “lucky,” literally. Worst part is, when it happens you assume what attracted her was your niceness, so when she inevitably starts pulling away, you ramp up the niceness until she absolutely despises you.

    That’s a great point about how a girl’s sensitivity to being called slutty is inversely proportional to her actual sluttiness. A girl who rarely puts out can have some fun with the dirty talk, because it *is* a special occasion for her. But the slut has to convince herself it’s *not* just about sex yet again like it was with the other 50 guys. And not only did FF keep talking about it, but it’s *all* he talked about, as if her pussy were a new toy he got for Christmas.

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  75. That is NO compliment, it would make any woman feel like a piece of meat.

    FF would have made out better with texting “Ur cool, I liked hanging out with u, let’s do it again”

    True.

    But once you learn the rules, you can play with them. I’ve used this text to advantage “I miss your breasts”.

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  76. this is why i loathe sluts. they indiscriminately hop into bed w morons like this and give them a chance to reproduce.

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  77. Great post. It is easy to learn what not to do. Learning what to do is a bit harder.

    BTW, just had to drop off this tidbit, just to encourage the youth to learn Game and to be in no hurry to marry:

    ttp://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/8570484/man-faces-jail-for-reading-wifes-email/

    Getting married in the USA is an idiot’s move. Very few women, at least in this country, are worthy of a good man.

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  78. Great to have him back.

    How do I know? These little gems:

    “The pussy lips are folding in like a clam under attack.”

    and

    “THEN he’d be riding a margin for error so wide he could fart in his cupped hand and share the gas of love with her.”

    Goddamn, I laughed out loud reading these.

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  79. Fade – I agree.

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  80. @gramps

    and you know what, if the roles were reversed, if it were the wife reading the husband’s email, do any of us really think that she would even get arrested, much less face five years in prison?

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  81. Good analysis, blogger.

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  82. Legion, I don’t see an email from you. Unless you are an Aussie, in which case I replied.

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  83. xsplat, I re-sent the email (my bad).

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  84. It’s not like I’ve never fucked anything up with a girl, and anyone who goes here can say that they have. It’s the fact that he’s a reader of this website and still made those dumb ass mistakes. The blogger emphasizes text game a lot, and I can say that he not only pointed out how important this is to me, but reading his postings improved mine tenfold. In today’s day and age, text game is critical. I suppose for those who aren’t quite virgins but aren’t too experienced with women you could think you’d get away with what the original poster said. The guy probably sported a hard boner while he told the girl that her pussy rocks, but who knows.

    And walawala, once again I agree with you. If the poster doesn’t say a damn thing to the girl, he still has a chance. It’s likely that if he said/says nothing at all to the girl from his last communication with her, she’ll probably say something to him. If he teases/negs her and shows indifference, aloofness, whatever you want to see at that point, there’s a pretty good chance that he’ll still fuck her. It’s like those who report that they go to a bar, meet a girl and get rejected by that girl but then proceed to spit it properly to another girl while acting like the rejection doesn’t matter at all to him. If your game is tight, or you’re “alpha enough,” you can play it off and grab her attention again. The girl who rejected him will notice. It’s basically the same concept.

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  85. I think most of us have been thru the painful learning experience described by FF. The main thing is to get past that phase quickly and without getting bogged down or too attached.
    The funny thing is, all he had to do was not text back anything at all beyond “I think I farted” to keep his place in line for another round with her. How hard is that?
    I actually believe in following rules; at least the righteous ones. Like. “Don’t say anything to her if you can’t say something with a healthy dose of assholery.” Otherwise, just smile and imagine her on all fours and eagerly pouring warm Wesson oil all over her lower self. And keep to that frame.

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  86. @ xplat — while i would agree that at times the army gets carried away with aloof game, this particular instance of text game (or lack thereof) is mindnumblingly needy, submissive and overall beta.

    “Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! :)”

    my reply: “lets hold off on the his and hers towels for the time being”

    If being a PUA is akin to being a DJ:

    this guy is spinning top 40 at a popular but overused nightclub that lets anyone in no cover. He is doing well but then he drops some miley cyrus track and everyone stopped dancing, looks at him and goes “WTF! ur musik sux!”

    aloof game is NECESSARY when dating a hot american chick with ANY degree of self esteem. is it the end all be all that we might sometimes get carried away with here, perhaps not. but why don’t you try your “i love you” romance fucking game on the first night and see how quickly the chica runs for the hills.

    hot then cold, too much of either is bad game. but ice queens enjoy the cold much better.

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  87. What the hell is up with the emoticons. Is there ever a legitimate use of emoticons by a man? It makes you look like a 13 year old girl. Yet we see it time and time again, I think it is actually common with the under 25 set.

    Guess we need to add that to the list of the continued feminization of the American male, along with tight jeans, emo anything, and the inability to change a tire if their lives depended on it.

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  88. walawala

    In my case, the “You miss my spanking” was pure reframe, but it worked in establishing that we’re on in future.

    I’ve noticed an improvement in the quality of your posts here over time, and have learned from your sms example.

    You can also think of the “you miss my spanking” reframe as telling the girl her emotions. Hypnotic suggestion and NLP type associations are a huge part of game. You lead her mind.

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  89. on December 29, 2010 at 12:52 am anonymouses anonymous

    “Simple penetration won’t cut it anymore to win the hearts of our current crop of aggrohos. ”

    Cue Mama Cass, “Gobs of cum won’t win her…any more!”

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  90. Advice?

    I’m back in my hometown for the holidays, I called up an ex of mine before i left, had a good chat, and she told me to call her when I get in town so we could chill.

    she is currently dating somebody. So am I.

    So i text her:

    me: booty call

    I thought she would take it as me being charmingly offensive but I haven’t heard from her yet and it’s been a whiles. Do I wait for her to respond or is there a way I can salvage it. Either way, at this point should I try to play it off, be bold, …?

    Thanks.

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  91. I have recovered from worse than this. It just comes down to how well you can re-frame yourself.

    I’ve learned that chicks can be pretty forgetful if you do it in the right way.

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  92. on December 29, 2010 at 1:20 am Boycott American Women

    BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN
    Why American men should boycott American women

    http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

    I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

    BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

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  93. There’s Alpha. There’s Beta. There’s Omega.

    Then there’s “seriously though your pussy rocks” which is in a category all of its own.

    The Surrealist School of game?

    I’m surprised he didn’t follow that text up with “Roses are red. Violets are blue. Your vagina is pink and my penis is too.”

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  94. “” I had a girl I was gaming actually tell me this. “Every girl wants the feeling of being chased”.

    The problem is that when they are chased…that feeling of wanting it goes away. “”

    The feeling of being chased caters to their ego and their need for validation and they love getting it; most usually from Betas.

    The payoff is where she uses all that ego massaging and validation to make her feel good enough to pursue a man that she perceives as higher value than herself.

    Fall into the trap of chasing her and validating her; to the detriment of your own value and you place yourself into the same category as every other Beta she has met.

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  95. What’s an example of appropriate sleaze?

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  96. @ TheDude

    You put in your bet, be bold. What’s the worst that can happen? No sex with the ex? Not a loss. Go all in and see if she’s that easy.

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  97. That guy acted like he just got his cherry poped.

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  98. @xsplat

    But once you learn the rules, you can play with them. I’ve used this text to advantage “I miss your breasts”.

    Context is everything and so it culture….that line might work in Asia…IF you had demonstrated somehow you were alpha.

    Chicks here like guys to miss them…they just don’t want guys to be missing them all the time.

    “I miss your breasts” I think more game would be…

    Text 1: “I miss…..”

    She would reply in 2 seconds if she was intersted with “What?”

    Text 2: …your breasts”

    Then, I think that works.

    “I miss your breasts” not so sure.

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  99. Walawala, I’m not sure if you noticed that “I miss your breasts” is a subtle neg.

    She will be offended by it. Her head will spin. And, the comment will stick in her mind. I will be sticking in her mind.

    She’s a 21 year year old former virgin who puts up with me seeing her only a few times a week and has regular arguments with my regular girl, and texts me several times a day, and refuses to let me break up with her. And she’s a head turner who is smoking hot. Now that might not prove that my sms comment was good, but it gives useful context.

    She wanted affirmation. She wanted me to say that I missed her.

    So I gave her 1/2 of what she wanted. Mostly I objectified her.

    It works.

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  100. @boycott American WOmen
    Why only the american women. All women are same and they behave like nuts wherever they are thing is ground always looks greener in the other side of ground..perhaps you sitting in one part of the world think women from rest of the world are better but no. it is not the case.

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  101. RC and crowd:

    Anybody still worried about China manning up and taking over the world of hot pussy? Guess again. Quite the opposite.

    Any Asian male-eunuchs out there can hate me more, but you still think white guys in Asia only get it with whores? That China is somehow unique and special and doesn’t follow the rules of human nature? Try these shoes on.

    Feminism ripping apart China – but it’s been going on for a lot longer.

    http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/shdaily_sing.asp?id=458361&type=Feature&page=0

    And a blog on it:

    http://www.pekingduck.org/2010/12/chinas-sissy-boys/

    Of course, the blog misses the point: the commenter blames men for not trying hard enough and women having to work hard because the society is male-dominated.

    My experience suggests to me that Chinese society is *much* more feminist than American society. And has been for years, just not in an obvious way, to us. I recall “dating” extremely accomplished, very well-educated and often very well-off women, not all of them single. And listening to them complain in bed about the pussiness of Chinese men- especially the kinds of Overseas Chinese that troop back to China looking for weak, simpering young virgins to take back home because they can’t get any other women.

    We can all guess, pretty easily, why the men are a bunch of sissies and can’t bring themselves to work at anything. And it’s most definitely not because they’re suffering from an over-indulgence of “male privilege”.

    Relevant bits for the general reader:

    A similar academic gender gap also observed in the West and other countries where girls outperform boys, but the situation appears especially serious in China where decades of a one-child policy have focused all parental attention on a single child. It’s also ironic that boys appear especially at a disadvantage in a male-dominated society where many people prefer boy babies.

    This general state of affairs the authors and many others attribute to China’s rigid education system that doesn’t accommodate boys’ and girls’ differing physiological and brain development; pressure to perform; overprotection and pampering by parents and grandparents; and an environment at home and school that is dominated by women and lacks strong male role models.

    For years we’ve focused more on girls’ rights to receive equal education. But we unintentionally neglected boys and their worsening crisis,” says coauthor Sun, also deputy director of the China Youth Research Center. If this continues, we will have a new gender imbalance,” Sun says.

    And this is particular to places like China and Korea:

    Parents spoil them and coop them up indoors instead of letting them run around outside because they think nature and vigorous exercise are dangerous.

    “In a system that ignores gender differences and demands every student be quiet and obedient, there are heavy shackles on boys who have at least 15 times more testosterone than girls,” he says. “Boys and girls are not parts on an assembly line that have the same size, shape and function.”
    Boys’ ability to read and write develops two years later than girls, even nerves in a boys’ fingers grow more slowly than girls, says Sun.
    “My son has trouble holding a brush and writing Chinese characters with complicated strokes,” says one man. Girls do better earlier, though boys catch up as their coordination improves.
    “But they are required to learn the same thing at the same speed. This is so unfair,” Sun says.

    The same old same old. When you let women and Top-Down systematizers teach your boys, the only option they have is to teach them not to be boys. The Maleness must be driven from them.

    That’s fine – except that you’ll never get any grandchildren, because the women won’t breed with your pansy son.

    Some boys are regarded as slow or silly because they have so much energy and have a hard time sitting still. “This can make them hate school starting in the first grade,” says Sun.
    Though boys need to run around, many schools eliminate vigorous and demanding physical exercise for both boys and girls – lest accidents result in lawsuits. Exuberance is generally discouraged.

    MOST IMPORTANT LESSON:

    The education system is more suitable for girls, who are good at memorizing and like sitting quietly to read,” says author Li.

    Anyone who’s ever interacted with Chinese men in China knows that the younger generation is filled with non-Men. I’ve seen boyfriends publicly humiliated and berated on the street for being late by 5 minutes; girls bragging in the “I pulled a fast one” way about how they manipulated their BF into buying them this or that expensive trinket; and men who silently give up and trudge on in whatever soulless way their society allows them to manage.

    I also knew media guys, Chinese Alphas, who basically fuck everything that moves and has a nice figure, married or not. And they absolutely get away with it. And the women love it.

    As for the future, …

    I tell you, demographics: All future is demographics.

    And don’t worry about China. Its demographics are absolutely catastrophic.

    Every problem we have, they have worse. Except illegal immigration.

    Yet.

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  102. BoycottAmericanWomen,

    Trust me, Irish and British women are fifty times worse.

    To us menfolk here, American women are relative paragons of hotness and femininity

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  103. So I’m doing some fairly serious text game with a very cute young lawyer, like 15 years younger than me. We’ve already had s very good lunch date and we have plans to have an after work date soon.

    She’s at work today but has a serious cold.

    Me: “Hey sick chick, where are you?”

    Her: “Work. I’m dying here.”

    At this point, I could be beta and offer my sympathies. Nope, I don’t want to be that chump.

    Me: “Can I have your stuff?”

    Her: “Sure”

    Me: “Cool, now hurry up and shuffle off your mortal coil” [Quoting Shakespeare works on overeducated girls]

    Her: “Hahahahahaha”

    At this point, I stopped responding because I am working and I don’t want to seem too intent on maintaining the attention.

    Before I learned Game, I would have gone over to her office at lunch with some soup as she works less than a mile away from my office.

    But no doubt the beta chumps in her office are already doing that while she is busy texting with me.

    I found this girl in a quasi-biker bar where I sometimes hang out. I ran serious Game on her that night with all the usual negs, push-pull, a bit of kino, aloof body language, etc.

    The bottom line of that evening is that I did not mention her obvious attractiveness. I also did not fawn sycophantically over her education and high-powered job. Rather, I gave her shit about stuff she didn’t know and I thought she should. For the overeducated girls, that’s the equivalent of a neg about physical attractiveness. As I am quite well read and very with words (spoken and written), it’s easy for me to demonstrate higher social value through the perception of intelligence. It’s vital for Gamers to be extremely good with words because women conflate the ability to communicate with intelligence.

    We exchanged numbers and she was the first to text me that very night. That’s when I escalated quickly to the successful lunch date.

    I might not close on this one (the age difference is huge) but it’s phenomenally good practice. The “irrationally over-confident” approach is working quite well overall, especially in regards to the other strategy I have for meeting women – online dating.

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  104. @Ubermind

    A truly norty thought just crossed my mind – wouldn’t it be fun to pretend to be as beta as possible after having sex with a slutty girl you dont want to ever see again? Text game would be ideal for that. Just laugh imagining the horror on her face after she realises she has let some random loser penetrating her to the core.

    I use that ruse sometimes. Caution–if the chick’s pool of people and my pool of people don’t have a substantial degree of separation, this is not applicable, it would amount to a social disproof.

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  105. @sargon: Absolutely mate. Well said!

    I’m guessing that the Boycott American Women guys will go for Asian women.

    God help them if they pick their mail-order bride from the former eastern bloc.

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  106. @main post

    This guy is bleeding out alpha capital. Advice: Save the sex talk for face-to-face, preferably *right after actual sex*.

    I’m new to text game. It’s interesting because it forces you to focus on the very foundational aspects of tingle management if you think about it.

    Anyways, is the quoted section an iron clad rule suitable for most women? In other words, is it the highest percentage rule for texting sexual content?

    As a degenerate kick, I like to randomly text short filthy messages to cockholsters out of the blue every so often, kind of like a literary exercise to see how much filth I can pack into as few words as possible. And I use real words and not “ur” or crap like that.

    I especially enjoy it if I know she has a big meeting or some important family outing, and she made the mistake of telling me when it’s going to happen. The thought of her reading the text while trying to maintain her composure is fun for me.

    These texts haven’t seemed to interfere with my game, but is it really better to leave them out and talk dirty during and immediately after fucking?

    Then again I like submissive women who like to appear moral and righteous, so maybe they go for being secretly treated like meatholes more than “normal” women. Oh, and I always do this after we’ve fucked a few times and she’s cum a bunch, so I’m sure she enjoys the sex. Knowing how she acts and what she likes to hear during sex adds verisimilitude to the texts.

    And stop giving the texter so much shit. He fucked up. We’ve all fucked up. If you haven’t fucked up repeatedly regarding a particular topic then you’ve never learned anything worth knowing. It’s one thing to read about a lesson or something you should do in a book or on a website, but putting it into practice is the messy part. This was one of his messy learning experiences. Mine are coming up after I take care of some more important issues (i.e. $, $, and more $).

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  107. @Zammo
    “‘Cool, now hurry up and shuffle off your mortal coil’ [Quoting Shakespeare works on overeducated girls]”

    Nice. In a meta-sense on game:

    “Whether tis nobler in the mind
    to suffer the slings and arrows of ‘being myself’
    or to take arms against crippling betatude
    and by faking it I make it?”

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  108. @TheDude

    Advice?

    I’m back in my hometown for the holidays, I called up an ex of mine before i left, had a good chat, and she told me to call her when I get in town so we could chill.

    she is currently dating somebody. So am I.

    So i text her:

    me: booty call

    I thought she would take it as me being charmingly offensive but I haven’t heard from her yet and it’s been a whiles. Do I wait for her to respond or is there a way I can salvage it. Either way, at this point should I try to play it off, be bold, …?

    The Xs should stay Xs. MHO.

    Play into an out: sorry, wrong number
    Then wait for a response.

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  109. From “Bring the Movies” post:

    Corollary: if you want to date haggard cougars who’ve been plunged like a backed up toilet for twenty years and would settle for any old kind-hearted beta to help them raise their bastard spawn, then skip the asshole game. It’s overkill.

    I’m married to a kitten turning cougar. What is the proper method to keep her happy/creaming her panties?

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  110. “I’m married to a kitten turning cougar. What is the proper method to keep her happy/creaming her panties?”

    Athol Kay’s “Married Man Sex Life” blog is a a very good start.

    http://www.marriedmansexlife.com

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  111. @xsplat…

    “She’s a 21 year year old former virgin”

    Most women I know are former virgins….

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  112. Haha, I got my own blog! 😀

    Things worked out, I mentioned that in the other post. Continuing on from that, I texted her:

    ME: Leaving

    (a few hours later)

    HER: What
    HER: What?!
    HER: But I’m not done with you

    (half hour later)

    HER: I think u should stay until new years and another 3 days and nights of hot hot sleepovers w me

    (15 minutes later, I had been at the gym)

    ME: LOL sorry, i meant to text that to someone else

    HER: Phew. Here i am trying to sleep before a night shift and you had me all freaked out.

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  113. @gorbachev

    spot on. this is why whenever i hear guys say ‘fuck these american bitches, i’m gonna get a nice obedient non-self entitled submissive girl from asia’, i can’t help but laugh. asian women are even more manipulative and conniving than american women. they are much better at hiding it until it’s too late.

    these guys think they are taking the red pill, but it is in fact a triple dosage blue pill with red gel coating.

    @zammo,

    this girl told me once about how she was home sick and a male coworker, without her even asking, came over to her place and MADE SOUP for her! from scratch! as in, boiling water with vegetables and noodles and meat and shit!

    that is so far beyond beta or possibly even omega that i was speechless when she told me. and few things surprise me.

    according to her, this guy was good-looking, tall, sensitive, funny, made good money, etc….in other words, a great guy and on paper a great catch for any woman. but, for some reason she couldn’t pinpoint, she didn’t ‘like him in that way’.

    i gave her a lot of shit about this in the ensuing conversation. you know how it goes – pointing out to her that her claim of girls wanting nice guys and wondering where ‘all the good guys are’, were flat-out bullshit, and her not being able to come up with a well-reasoned counterargument.

    bear in mind, i had no interest in this girl – she had a nice body (slender and athletic), but she simply didn’t push any of my buttons. so i wasn’t gaming her, just shit testing her for fun. i.e., i was being myself.

    i said something like ‘this guy must really really like you. hell, i wouldn’t even have called number 1 happy dragon restaurant to order you egg drop soup.’

    i can’t know for certain, but in retrospect i believe it was at this point that she decided to make my face her bicycle seat.

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  114. @Zammo

    Thank you. It seems a little schmaltzy to me, but I’ll give it a shot if it means I don’t have to stay up at night listening to any more crying.

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  115. @itsme

    “i said something like ‘this guy must really really like you. hell, i wouldn’t even have called number 1 happy dragon restaurant to order you egg drop soup.’

    i can’t know for certain, but in retrospect i believe it was at this point that she decided to make my face her bicycle seat.”

    That’s pretty much it.

    The beta chump who made the soup branded himself as a beta chump by that very gesture. He will always be “soup guy” and not “orgasm guy”.

    I crossed the Rubicon into Game territory when I finally woke up to the fact that the words of women and the actions of women are most often completely different and often in serious conflict.

    “I want a nice guy”.

    I always laugh when I hear or read that line.

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  116. @gorby

    The herbalization od East Asian men is massive. China, SKor, Japan. Sure, the listed reasons, or their confluence, seem to have a substantial hand in this trend, but I am not sure if there isn’t another factor that we are missing.

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  117. @Zammo

    Good.

    I just number closed a hot 8 at my dance party. Classic game: She sat beside me with her older, slightly more homely sister.

    I immediately negged the hottie who then asked me to dance.

    She knocked my drink over while getting up..

    Me: Now you owe me for the dance lesson and the drink….

    I DHV’d her by teaching her the basics.

    Then we sat down, I adopted classic alpha lean back pose, she leaned in, lots of kino.

    I moved into comfort…

    She then asked my name….first.

    Turns out we both have a knack for languages and she’s an interpreter. I speak 5 including 2 Chinese dialects. More DHV.

    Then….her cock-block sister pulled her away. But not before hottie returned.

    She shit-tested me:

    “I guess I ruined your evening”..

    Me: Yah, it’s been downhill since we started dancing. So since you ruined my evening, you’ll need to give me your number so you can make it up to me….

    It is UNBELIEVABLE when you follow the Mystery Method and all the advice here…how it all comes together.

    Then I suggested she come to the NY Eve party I’m organizing.

    I gave her 2 tickets. Then I danced the rest of the night in front of her….again—pre-selection game.

    She said goodbye late. I then texted her: “Good connection. Come late Fri.”

    Short, with just enough interest without being cloying. The second part is the “bring the movies”.

    She didn’t reply but it was 130am.

    Will fill in on how this pans out.

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  118. on December 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm Malcolm Tucker

    @main post

    This guy is bleeding out alpha capital. Advice: Save the sex talk for face-to-face, preferably *right after actual sex*.

    I’m new to game in general and text game in particular. It’s interesting because it forces you to focus on the very foundational aspects of tingle management if you think about it. Excluding body language of course.

    Anyways, is the quoted section an ironclad rule suitable for most women? In other words, is it the highest percentage rule for texting sexual content?

    As a degenerate kick, I like to randomly text short filthy messages to cockholsters out of the blue every so often, kind of like a literary exercise to see how much filth I can pack into as few words as possible. And I use real words and not “ur” or crap like that.

    I especially enjoy it if I know she has a big meeting or some important family outing, and she made the mistake of telling me when it’s going to happen. The thought of her reading the text while trying to maintain her composure is fun for me.

    These texts haven’t seemed to interfere with my game, but is it really better to leave them out and talk dirty during and immediately after fucking?

    Then again I like submissive women who like to appear moral and righteous, so maybe they go for being secretly treated like meatholes more than “normal” women. Oh, and I always do this after we’ve fucked a few times and she’s cum a bunch, so I’m sure she enjoys the sex. Knowing how she acts and what she likes to hear during sex adds verisimilitude to the texts.

    And I don’t see why some are giving the texter so much shit. He fucked up. We’ve all fucked up. If you haven’t fucked up repeatedly regarding a particular topic then you’ve never learned anything worth knowing. It’s one thing to read a lesson or something you should do in a book or on a website, but putting it into practice is the messy part.

    This was one of his messy learning experiences. Mine are coming up after I take care of some more important issues (i.e. $, $, and more $).

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  119. on December 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm Still learning

    Since this recent success is thanks to your blog I thought I would share it with my fellow readers. Eventually leads back to text game but starts at her place. She is in her early twenties back during winter break and a 7 at least. Watching a movie while we make out occasionaly. She goes to the bathroom and I decide to step out for a cig. She comes out while I’m putting on my shoes.

    Her: Where ya going?
    Me: Smoke a cig.

    Her: I really don’t like smokers. (playful)
    Me: Well obviously you do. *Note*: I would have sat back down like a good beta a few months ago.

    Her: My uncle has lung cancer from smoking. I’m serious if you go outside for a cigarette don’t come back. (serious)
    Me: *sigh* (Walk back to her, she is trying to hide a smile at her perceived victory.) Give her a 3 second or so kiss, grab my jacket from the chair and walk to the door. I look back and tell her to have a good life nonchalantly and shut the door. I light the cig by the door and take a few drags so she can see me from the window inside, then walk to my car and drive away.

    The frantic phone calls chime in within 5 min and when I don’t answer the texts follow with I’m sorry I didn’t mean what I said…

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  120. Wrong wrong wrong. Let me try a crack at it:

    >>>>

    “no amy tonight! :p ”

    She didn’t reply.

    <<<>>>

    AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

    ME: Haha ok xmas at your place I guess 😉
    ME: u back in [my-city] b4 xmas?

    AMY: No I’m working. I’m coming back before new years around 29th

    <<<>>>

    ME: guess u’ll need all that time to recuperate :p

    AMY: And u can use that time to sleep. and listen to my friends make fun of u

    ME: jen gave you your daily [my-name] update?

    AMY: Haha. No. Jen just told me how much they were making fun of u. I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever

    <<<>>>
    ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then having sex the next 3 nights and mornings is always fun gossip for friends

    ME: I dont care I like the whole situation. I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for
    <<<>>>
    HER: Haha. Well when you put it like that!
    <<<>>>
    ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) 😀
    <<<<

    Um, CLINICAL
    And that is not how a man should talk OVER TEXT MESSAGE.
    The best part about that message was in parentheses.
    Up in your face?

    You basically told her you were just using her for your body, and you drove home the point with your unromantic clinical description of her warm pussy.

    You should have been talking about how you are going to make HER FEEL. And before that, you should have had more fun together on the text, or CALLED HER.

    That is my assessment.

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  121. @ Still Learning

    You passed a major shit test. There will be more tests from more girls, bet on that.

    They shit test in their 40s and 50s, too! My strategy to cope with all that is to keep at least 5 women in play at all times, whether through dates, texting, phone calls, online dating messages, whatever.

    If I know there are alternatives, I don’t get hung up in beta mode and can pass any shit test because I am prepared to just walk away.

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  122. this is why whenever i hear guys say ‘fuck these american bitches, i’m gonna get a nice obedient non-self entitled submissive girl from asia’, i can’t help but laugh. asian women are even more manipulative and conniving than american women. they are much better at hiding it until it’s too late.

    Yup. A lot of attributes associated with western girls are simply universal female attributes.

    If you think you are going to escape those, you are going to get played. Hard and repeatedly.

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  123. “She’s a 21 year year old former virgin”

    Most women I know are former virgins….

    Ya, I realized I was setting you up for that shot, but didn’t expect you to actually hit it.

    So what else do you call a girl whose cherry you own?

    On a related note, it turns out my other main girl has had not two other guys, but one. She was counting an internet love as a boyfriend! And the local Indonesian man she did have used to fuck for three minutes, once a week. So, she was a pseudo virgin and I have her pseudo cherry. There is a surprising amount of pseudo cherry out there in the world. Sad, really.

    And despite the wealth of female company I enjoy, I’m still kicking myself and full of regret for not saying hi to that little template matching hottie I passed on the street the other day. Never again!

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  124. Yeah, FF blew it big time here, but the post is a sobering reminder to always be on your toes.

    We’ve all been there (maybe not to this degree, though), and have failed many shit-tests, have failed challenges from other guys, and have slipped below the Alpha line into the beta-tude shitter more times than we’d like to admit.

    Happily, many of these failures are correctable. With practice. Read on.

    @OhioState

    Yes, you are right. You can run excellent game on your girlfriend or wife for YEARS and then blow one single shit-test and find yourself in jeopardy.

    The only advice I can give you is what I’ve learned myself. Don’t let mistakes keep you from learning. For me, the key is practice, practice, practice. Yes, I’m married, and yes, my beautiful wife is from South America and loves me completely, and yes, I game her constantly to keep her happy.

    Yes, you heard that right. Women WANT and NEED to be gamed. Constantly. You’ve GOT to do it. It’s NOT an option.

    You want a happy wife? First thing to do. Do NOT marry an American woman. They are not happy people, and will never be happy. Ever. So they’re complete non-starters. Don’t go there. If you haven’t figured that out by now, then you DESERVE an American woman. At which point debilitating pain will be inflicted upon your sorry ass until you *finally* understand how badly you fucked up. Millions of American guys are in various stages of this pain parade as I post.

    What’s the next step? Well, it’s probably to start with the Spanish classes. (But I digress…)

    The real next step, once you get a decent girl from outside the Anglosphere,is to game the shit out of her.

    What do I mean?

    The frame is yours, not hers. ALWAYS.
    If she complains or acts wounded, she gets nothing.
    If she behaves like a beautiful woman and treats you like a KING, she gets the best gift in the world. YOU.

    She never knows what your next move is.
    She is constantly guessing. You are unpredictable as shit.
    You do not tell her you love her. You SHOW her you love her by including her in your adventure.

    You rarely text. If ever. Emoticons do not exist. Phone calls are short, crisp, and to the point. We’re doing THIS. You in? In other words, if you really want to help, “bring the movies.”

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  125. Hux – good points.

    I believe that non-western girls will eventually teach a man to be alpha. They are not shy in wanting a man to lead, and don’t pretend to want to wear the pants.

    Plus, they are devious and will own you like a little pet poodle if you let them.

    The combination of the two will push a man in the only possible direction. Mastery.

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  126. The “practice” part comes in gaming whatever woman is in front of you at the time. Anywhere.

    I have given more shit to Wal-mart cashiers than I could ever count. And it is beyond astounding how many times they say *thank-you* three seconds after they put the change in my hand.

    Example: Wal-mart cashier – her name is “Sheena”; a 20 year old WF with a pretty decent HTW ratio and maybe 10 pounds overweight. Figure she was born in 1990.

    Me: Sheena? Your name is Sheena? Are you telling me like Sheena Easton?
    (incredulous-are-you-shitting-me-tone; classic neg tactic)

    Sheena: Yeah, I get that a lot. My mom liked her songs in the 80’s.

    Me: OK, so your mother named you after a chick rock-star…
    (IOW, what kind of mother have we got here, bitch? another neg; also, the use of “chick rock-star” demotes women)

    Sheena: Well, I guess she liked it, so that’s what I got.

    Me: But do YOU like it?
    (total frame control by me, not her)

    Sheena: Yeah, it’s OK, I guess…

    Me: I dunno….yeah, I guess it’s OK…Sheena…..
    (Never commital. Still unsure. End by repeating her name)

    Sheena: Thank you. Have a good one. See ya.

    Practice this, fools. The number one starter is to goof with their NAME. Ridicule it. Ridicule it. Ridicule it. Make a joke about it. Ask about it. What the hell did your mother name you THAT?

    Great starter. Great practice. Great shit-upon-her tactic to practice over and over.

    Got it?

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  127. @itsme
    @gorbachev
    “spot on. this is why whenever i hear guys say ‘fuck these american bitches, i’m gonna get a nice obedient non-self entitled submissive girl from asia’, i can’t help but laugh. asian women are even more manipulative and conniving than american women. they are much better at hiding it until it’s too late.
    these guys think they are taking the red pill, but it is in fact a triple dosage blue pill with red gel coating.”

    hee! hee! hee! vee, have our vaaaays!! Guys don’t be toooo scared. haha!! “blue pill with red gel coating”!!! lol!!! I’ll have to show this to my fellow Asian girrrl friends! lol!!!

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  128. “And it is beyond astounding how many times they say *thank-you* three seconds after they put the change in my hand.”

    I don’t get it. You’re patting yourself on the back because girls who are paid to say “thank you” to you do, in fact, say “thank you” to you?

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  129. xsplat

    And despite the wealth of female company I enjoy, I’m still kicking myself and full of regret for not saying hi to that little template matching hottie I passed on the street the other day. Never again!

    I have several “Regrets” in my life file. And not just in the realm of your potential level, things that were far more certain… my blood boils when I recall.

    Anyone having an access to a time machine?

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  130. This seems like good advice for texting a slut. “ur pussy rocks!” is obviously shitty for any conversation. But, does the 2/3 ratio and other advice still hold for a girl who is not a slut and whose market value is at or below your own?

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  131. don’t be hating on sheena e, i grew up in the 80’s. ‘telephone’ and ‘love on a battleship’ are timeless classics.

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  132. @julia

    real rape, or swedish rape?

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  133. Anyone having an access to a time machine?

    That was just a rhetorical question. I have a time machine with forward setting, if ya get my drift.

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  134. why would anyone care if “some guy” tried to rape “some girl”?

    theres millions of “rapes” a day

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  135. Here’s my example of tight text game…FF please note

    Last night, I met hot 8, cute 20ish girl at dance party.

    Ran classic game: negs, push-pull, DHV’d her…then moved into comfort.

    She gave major IOI’s

    Also, she knocked over my drink when we got up to dance….

    Last night’s Me: “Now you owe me for the dance lesson and the drink”.

    Old me: “Oh that’s ok…we’ll get another…”

    Her cock-block sister pulled her away after a while, clearly jealous of the attention her younger hotter sis was getting.

    But not before I negged again.

    Older sis says: “We’re sisters, can’t you tell?”

    Me: really, twins?

    Older sis cock-block: Noooooo,

    Me: Come on…one of you is adopted….

    Hottie I’m gaming is eating it up.

    Which all brings me to the point of this post….

    Hottie starts shit-testing me while we’re dancing:

    Her: Sorry for ruining your evening….spilling your drink..

    Me: Yes, it’s been a totally disaster since we got up….

    Old me: Yes, me too…seriously, you so rock….

    So she goes to leave, I say “Since you ruined my evening, I’m going to need your number…”

    She punches it in. I DHV her by giving her 2 tickets to the NY Eve Party I’m organizing.

    DHV: organize a party…sell it out, then hand out tickets to select guests….

    She leaves, party wraps up at 1am

    1:15am I text: “Good connection. Come late Fri”.

    The “Good connection” line I came up with after combing thru these pages. Chicks I’ve used this text on seem to llike the emotional component and the re-enforcement of our good time together without saying “I had a nice time”.

    She replies….at 2:30am, and this is for FF

    Her: Had a great night 🙂 thanks for the special lesson & see u on fri

    FF: note, 20ish chick recently in the workforce, being gamed by more mature guy uses “SMILEY” icon….

    Also, note her grammar….no punctuation, no capitals…

    Flaking potential is lower now.

    Will update if this pans out.

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  136. Julia,

    Have you ever played the card game, “poker?”

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  137. Walawala, I say great game overall, but from just one text I am hard pressed to say anything about it. I suppose that it does somewhat lower flake potential, but I’m sure that you could have gone without it as well.

    Weird, “good connection” sounds good in English but if I tried to translate it to my language it would sound terrible 😀

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  138. “And it is beyond astounding how many times they say *thank-you* three seconds after they put the change in my hand.”

    charon SAID:

    I don’t get it. You’re patting yourself on the back because girls who are paid to say “thank you” to you do, in fact, say “thank you” to you?

    @charon

    Ah, youth. Haven’t you learned by now that it’s ALL tone of voice? There are “mechanical” thank-yous and then there are “Gee, you took notice of me, shit on my name, but then told me I was OK” kind of thank-you’s.

    Puh-leez get with it.

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  139. Would appreciate various “takes” on these maneuvers, with examples, obviously :

    I DHV’ed her
    I push-pulled her
    I IOI’ed her
    she shit-tested me
    I kino’ed her

    Thanks.

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  140. Eager gets no more beaver

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  141. I have some small details to share between me and a girl I USED TO like.

    Tuesday night text game:
    Me: Hey, the group of us are hitting up [bar] around 9pm. You coming?
    Her: [no response]

    I was fucking pissed. Girls have NO EXCUSE for not replying back to a text. They’re practically wired into their phones 24/7 like it’s their most prized possession.

    So I saw her at work on Thursday.

    Her: Hey
    Me: [no response, ignored. Then I threw something next to her, barely missing as she looked down. I fucked this up by not intentionally hitting her and telling her to pick it up]

    Later she came to me saying “We’ll hang out tonight I’ll text you and bring my twin sisters”

    Didn’t happen, but I don’t care too much.

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  142. Julia

    Oprah said on her show it wasn’t rape rape

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  143. @phoenix,

    it’s not surprising nothing happened.

    by asking her ‘you coming?’, you communicated that you cared about her presence and you set yourself up for the fall. you got pissed off and she was in complete control.

    saying something like ‘tag along if you want’ instead, communicates that she is a third wheel whose presence would be tolerated, but her absence would be no skin off your back.

    the idea is to not phrase it as a question, and to maintain aloofness.

    look at what she said later: ‘we’ll hang out tonight i’ll text you and bring my twin sisters’.

    notice she did not ask ‘wanna hang out tonight?’. she made a statement that not only communicated that she couldn’t care less if you didn’t show (because her and her twin sisters would still be having fun), but the bit about the twin sisters was to provoke your id. again, she was in full control.

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  144. saying something like ‘tag along if you want’ instead, communicates that she is a third wheel whose presence would be tolerated, but her absence would be no skin off your back.

    That doesn’t push a woman’s attractiveness buttons. Its better to use romance than platonic signals when courting. At least that way when you get blown out you don’t continue to waste energy.

    Romance is a part of seduction. Showing romantic and sexual interest causes attraction.

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  145. @PHoenix, et al

    Me: Hey, the group of us are hitting up [bar] around 9pm. You coming?

    THis is a common scenario.

    I often try:

    “Hey the group of us are hitting up xxx at 9pm. See you there.”

    Or “Come!”

    or “Be there”

    or “We’ll hang out”

    I’ve used the “Let’s meet up” line either in text or in speech and that has better results.

    I’ve found it communicates a decisiveness and interest without a clingyness.

    Anyone have comments or suggestions?

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  146. xsplat: Its better to use romance than platonic signals when courting.

    Deep.

    But what the hell izzat ‘possed to mean?

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  147. What I have seen here only reinforces my conviction that text is unpromising for game (though it is possible to use it without hurting yourself).

    True chat (where you are at a full size keyboard with a fast connection so you can type fast and get fast responses) allows a pace like a real conversation where you can control the flow and build up tension and use timing to good effect, and so is OK.

    Email (where you have time to use superior verbal skills to craft a message or reply that by its very quality demonstrates high value) is OK too.

    If you are going to use your cell phone, the only justification for text is that you don’t trust yourself in a voice conversation. But if you are good at telephone conversation, it is way better to call than to text. And as with chat and email, there are specialized techniques for this subtype of game.

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  148. Holugu, I thought it was straightforward enough. Don’t ask the girl to tag along, as if she is a buddy. Don’t put her in the friend zone, thinking that is aloof and will build attraction.

    Put her in the I want to fuck you zone, and let her know she’s in that zone.

    A date is a date. If she doesn’t even want to go out on a date date, then spend your energy on a girl who does.

    Tell her – “let’s meet”. You can wait for her to say “where”.

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  149. You can also say “don’t wear jeans”. That puts you in command, emphasises you have standards, and makes her think of sexy clothing, all reminding her that it’s a date date.

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  150. I seem to have taken on the role as the sole voice against the misuse of being aloof.

    Being aloof is part of push pull, not a continuous strategy. When viewing any PUA video, you well see very little aloof attitude. What you will see is interest and eye contact and kino escalation and building rapport and humor. The girl always knows that she is a target of sexual attention.

    You don’t put the girl into the friend zone, thinking that is building attraction. You put her in the I want to fuck you zone, while not appearing clingy or desparate, and while appearing to be surrounded by abundance and ease, and acting as if you do this kind of thing all the time – or as often as you want to.

    You want to push past her boundaries, and pull back. Not merely pull back and wait for her to chase. You have to chase, and let her know she is being chased. That’s called escalation.

    A date is a date – you show interest. Setting up a date is not a time to pull back – it’s a time to push forward. Be a man and show some intention.

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  151. Showing interest often has the same effect as being aloof – it’s showing higher status. You deign to be the judge of her. That it happens that you are giving positive judgment needn’t cost you hand.

    Consider the beauty pageant judge. He maintains hand even when doling out high numbers.

    Hand is an inner attitude. You can gush, you can be romantic, you can be flirtatious, all while deftly puppeting the girls emotions and maintaining mastery and dominance, keeping her eyes looking up at you and her mouth giggling nervously. She can be lesser than you while you praise.

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  152. Good dog! Good doggie!

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  153. on January 2, 2011 at 9:17 am Rey de Corazones

    Xsplat, the things you say are true, but they’re on a different level from the average reader of this blog.

    First, you’ve got to realize that most people here are game noobs for whom the term “eager beaver” would be a colossal understatement if they ever received the attentions of a decently hot woman. You may once have been there yourself, you may not, but that’s where most of these people are — and so giving them your advice on “active pursuit,” “romance,” etc. would backfire in a particularly nasty way. Like oh-my-god-you’re-turning-the-creeps-up-to-11-get-the-fuck-away-from-me kind of way.
    You can’t really “romance” without losing hand (and arm, leg, and balls) until you have already got the whole psychological dominance thing well in hand. And that’s several levels beyond where most readers in this sphere are probably at.

    Second, there’s the age factor. There are certain things that radiate the stench of loserdom for young guys, while exactly the same things are more acceptable, even desirable, from older guys.
    The primary example is what Jerry likes to call “Money Game,” which is a great way to bag (mercenary) pussy if you’re an older guy, but, if you’re early-mid thirties or younger, will INSTANTLY mark you as a losersuckermark.
    The same goes, to a much lesser extent, for all things romance: The younger (and better looking and more built) you are, the less of that you need in the mix.

    Capsule summary: You’re giving step 25 to a bunch of people who are at step 1, 2, or 3. But those of us who are there, we feel you.

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  154. on January 2, 2011 at 9:26 am Rey de Corazones

    The other addendum is that you have to be aware of the degree to which your looks, height, and general comportment already put the girl into the “I want to fuck you zone.”

    There’s a critical moment (or two or three, if the woman is enough into you) at which you have to MOVE on a girl. This is what xsplat is talking about when he’s talking about chasing, only amped up a bit. It’s kind of like what pua’s have called “buying temperature,” but it isn’t, really — it’s like Instant Estrus, in which you have about five minutes to make a bold move and will forever be branded with the scarlet letter beta if you don’t.

    The thing that people here are missing, is that this critical moment happens at different times, and after different actions, depending on your looks, height, and general image. If you’re Neil Strauss, the moment ain’t coming until after you’ve “opened” the girl and “built comfort”. If you’re 6’2″, 240lbs, 9% body fat, on the other hand, that moment is generally going to hit within a few minutes of the onset of real personal interaction, and ANY significant amount of “comfort building” is going to kill you.

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  155. on January 2, 2011 at 9:31 am Rey de Corazones

    The other thing is building DIScomfort. Sexual tension and slight unease, for a woman, go together like asses and bruises.

    The idea is that you have to build up to a certain amount of DIScomfort, along with comfort, for the sexual tension to really get explosive.
    That discomfort can come from a power differential. Or an age differential. Different girls are wired for different degrees of discomfort — generally, the higher-revving the girl, the higher the degree. It can’t be too much, too soon, though, or the girl will bolt. But it has to be there, otherwise the sex will go flat and boring.

    Sometimes the discomfort is inherent.
    This is why prior victims of sexual abuse often become sluts — because the discomfort, the tension, is already there. It doesn’t have to be built, so there’s no progression through the usual stages of anti-slut defense.

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  156. Rey, I take your point about needing to have already internalized a dominant frame in order to say “Good doggy, such a pretty doggy! Whose a good dogie?” with authority. I take your point that newbs may have a difficult time reading my words and jumping from that to an internalized attitude.

    However I see that newbs do have a very difficult time with the concept of being aloof, and often misuse it. Is it better to misuse being aloof than misusing validation? Mistakes in either direction will get you blown out or friend zoned or ignored.

    There seems to be no other voice here warning newbs of the inherent dangers to being aloof, and certainly no one else pointing out the other strong attractiveness triggers involved in being intense. It’s a message even a newb needs to learn.

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  157. Longer comment in mod

    Is it better to misuse being aloof than misusing validation? Mistakes in either direction will get you blown out or friend zoned or ignored.

    There seems to be no other voice here warning newbs of the inherent dangers to being aloof, and certainly no one else pointing out the other strong attractiveness triggers involved in being intense. It’s a message even a newb needs to learn.

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  158. About the sexually abused becoming sluts, early sex abuse often triggers a brain development disorder called borderline personality disorder, and part of that state of being often involves being hypersexual. They are idiot savants, terrible at most interpersonal things, but at genius level in others. Great manipulators, and the best and most frequent possible sex.

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  159. @xsplat

    i agree with you about aloofness as being part of push-pull, however in this particular situation, i got the impression that what phoenix reported was merely one instance in a sequence of events. i.e. perhaps prior to this he had already pushed, and now it was time to pull. he did not give details about what happened before, so i may be wrong.

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  160. xsplay, qualify a bit next time. The danger of being too aloof comes to play if your target is a LTR arrangement. Within ONS/STR, not really an issue.

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  161. Holugu, if you are aloof to the poing of not showing enough interest, there won’t be a one night stand. Not unless you are attractive enough that women pursue you, and you main mistake is saying the wrong thing.

    Is James Bond aloof when he is talking to a girl? Carey Grant? Austin Powers? Do they treat girls they are wooing like best buds who they aren’t really trying to fuck? People who are socially adept convey an appropriate amount of interest, guaged to the situation, but enough to PUSH PAST her defenses. They appear confident in their frame and accustomed to winning. Being barely interested is in itself not attractive.

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  162. xsplat, so you are going on me with Bond flicks! LOL! First off, it is a fantasy. Second, Bond has all the proofing done already before the girl even appeared. He is Bond.

    There are different methods. They defpend on circumstances and a niveau. And on what kind of critter you are dealing with.

    Of course you engage in a conversation, looking aloof and keeping your moth shut won’t get you anywhere most of the time, only rarely it is the right strategy.

    You need to be aware–where you are, what is happening around you, of any signals given by body language. And based on that you proceed.

    I am not particularly a good looker, just an average guy. But I always make them chase me. I give some body language signals of interest, just a hint, it may be kino, or some form of anchoring, but I play it cool. And let them do the work. Yes, I am lazy, so sue me.

    Once they are on the hook, then I escalate, flirt and do whatever is appropriate for the situation, for a short while to show reciprocity. It then does not take long to close.

    I suppose it is my style and may not be applicable to others. It just works for me well. Only for my LTRs, I had to use a bit more involved game.

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  163. Yes, I’m coming at you with Bond flicks, because it’s a cultural reference that is shorthand. Movies are sometimes used as illustrative examples, even on this blog. Play acting and talking about that acting serves a useful purpose. I’d rather go at you with youtube videos of PUAs in action. But I can’t because that’s not a shared cultural reference.

    The way you have just described being aloof is as part of push pull. We both agree that being aloof is PART of the seduction process. It isn’t the entire process, and can be overdone.

    While it is generally acknowledged that being too interested will blow you out, I’ve yet to hear anyone acknowledge that being too disinterested will blow you out.

    I’ve also never heard anyone else but me talk about the bait and switch. Start by being very engaging, then gradually taper off or switch the power mode of who is playing who, leaving her chasing you for the affirmations that she was used to.

    Leading with being aloof is entering a room by walking out the exit.

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  164. on January 2, 2011 at 10:37 pm Rey de Corazones

    xsplat, let me try to reconcile what you’re saying with the gospel of the board on this one.

    First, unless i gravely misunderstand, the host is not trying to say that aloofness should be a universal invariant. Rather, the host is saying that aloofness should be the DEFAULT state, from which the woman (should perceive that she) must “move” the man, in some special and unique (heh) way. Since that is such a sea change from many readers’ default state, which consists of eager-beaver supplication/providerhood, the host feels a driving need to hammer that point home in spades.
    It’s analogous to making a salesperson (the woman, in this case) actually *make* you enthusiastic about a product before getting psyched about the product, as opposed to having the googly dilated pupils that will let the salespeople know they can upsell you. That’s “aloofness”: Convince me. *You* do the work, *you* keep me convinced.

    Second, you have to remember that the milieu in which the host operates is (or was, at least — who knows now) urban east-coast America, in which females are, for better or for worse, MUCH less in need of being chased, and MUCH more likely to play the role of sexual aggressor (up to a point) given the right cues. While the basic underlying tenets are the same, you can’t just transplant exactly the same game across the Mariana trench, especially when that trench is both literal and cultural.

    But, yeah.

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  165. on January 2, 2011 at 10:41 pm Rey de Corazones

    Also, there’s definitely a way in which leading by total aloofness can work, and that’s working the rest of the room. If you are clearly the hub around which the rest of the interaction in the room is revolving, then your work is done; you don’t have to, and shouldn’t, chase.
    In that case, your best bet is to set up a striking, unexpected contrast for the girl by more or less totally ignoring her, in contrast to your skillful working of the rest of the room, until she Does Enough to sufficiently grab your attention.

    You tend to run a lot of girls at the same time, right? So don’t try to tell me that, if you have 2-3 girls laughing and hanging on your every word, that “aloofing” a hotter girl in the vicinity isn’t strong game. On the other hand, if you’re just walking through the mall by yourself, then, yes, aloofness is not a good opener.

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  166. xsplat, thank you for explaining. I am relatively new here, so some of the vocab is not fully digested.

    What threw me off was your reference to “romantic” whatever.

    Does not compute. Not sure what that represents.

    I remember, when very young, I tried twice the “romantic” approach and it was in both cases an unmitigated disaster. By romantic I mean the patterns that were introduced by romanticism. It took me a while to get over that poison.

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  167. Rey de Corazones, your second post… we’re on the same page.

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  168. Interesting comments Rey of Hearts. I have no experience with working a crowd, and all my seduction experience is one on one.

    Group dynamics and one on one may indeed be quite different.

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  169. Holugu

    I remember, when very young, I tried twice the “romantic” approach and it was in both cases an unmitigated disaster. By romantic I mean the patterns that were introduced by romanticism. It took me a while to get over that poison.

    Too much of any antidote is a poison.

    A kernel of romanticism is essential to the lover. Central, even.

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  170. @xsplat

    “… early sex abuse often triggers a brain development disorder called borderline personality disorder, and part of that state of being often involves being hypersexual.”

    Yeah, I’ve heard that excuse from a surprising large number of girls.

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  171. Regarding PUA terms, Holugu, I coined the term bait and switch, when used in a PUA context.

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  172. on January 2, 2011 at 11:23 pm Rey de Corazones

    xsplat, I figured as much; especially as your background is in sales, which is indistinguishable from seduction except in that the end goal is a different kind of sale. It’s a lot easier to become good at two variants of the same thing, than to master two independent and, at times, contradictory skill sets.

    You can’t be aloof and be a good salesman. You have to be aggressive, biased, and able to replace the customer’s initial inertia with the feelings that *you* dictate.
    And, the parallels between getting the customer to think in terms of already owning the product, and what you are framing as “romance”, are obvious yet profound.

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  173. Anton “Yeah, I’ve heard that excuse from a surprising large number of girls.”

    I doubt you’ve ever heard a girl claim to have BPD. One hallmark of BPD is an inability to self criticize.

    But have you honestly heard girls claim they are sluts because of past sexual abuse? I’ve never heard a girl talk about her past sexual experiences as slutty or in any way even remotely negatively colored.

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  174. on January 2, 2011 at 11:33 pm Rey de Corazones

    And, the “working the room” thing doesn’t even have to involve social leadership. It can involve being the dominant player in the room, on any level, as long as that level is not completely clinical in nature.
    For instance, one can readily see this dynamic backstage at any kind of performance that has a personal element to it. And the “personal element” part is why rock stars and ballad singers get more play (and have to do proportionally less chasing and pushing) than DJ’s and classical guitarists, and why a guy who’s working the room at a convention’s social icebreaker is better poised to score than the guy who’s running the meetings. In each case, the former is more directly social/emotional (and thus primal) than the latter.

    To extend the sales analogy, you can be the salesman. Or you can be the shiny thing.
    But you shouldn’t be both — a shiny salesman is smarmy. And of course you can’t be neither.

    Aloofness works for the shiny thing.

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  175. Regarding salesmanship, Rey, rather being

    aggressive, biased, and able to replace the customer’s initial inertia with the feelings that *you* dictate.

    the core of my technique was building comfort. I got them to laugh and bond, then they bought something. I had a very simple trick that I’d use on all my customers – and this worked even better in a group. I’d offer a $2.00 discount in exchange for a story.

    Now, they weren’t planning on buying anything to begin with. But people like to engage. One the crowd was laughing, they’d open their wallets.

    A buddy of mine was a superior salesman, and his thing was to hypnotize the customer as to the value of the object. Me, I never talked about any objects. People have characterized me as extremely shy, and the most unlikely person to go into sales as an occupation. It’s one reason I did go into sales. That part of my personality needed a lot of work.

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  176. If there remains a core technique to my seduction skills, it would be “make em laugh, make em horny”.

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  177. I suppose you could say that in my sales technique, I was supremely aloof as to making the sale. Mostly I was trying to build bonds and entertain myself.

    That was my personal style, fit me like tailored clothing, and worked a charm.

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  178. xsplat, A kernel of romanticism is essential to the lover. Central, even.

    LTR, yes. Only a kernel. The less of it, the more it is appreciated when randomly deployed. Sparingly as the timeline goes.

    STR/ONS, a hindrance, in my case. My experience, your mileage may vary. I am not against any degree of romanticism deployed by the other side.

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  179. on January 3, 2011 at 12:00 am Rey de Corazones

    xsplat, by “aggressive” I just mean that you are controlling the frame. By eliciting stories, you’re being aggressive in the sense I’m using: You’re the one leading the interaction.

    By “aggressive” I mean having a greater emotional weight in the context of a conversation, so that the tone of the overall interaction, which is a weighted average of your two vibes, becomes much more strongly weighted in terms of your vibe.
    Just like game, there are lots of diferent ways to do this. Just like game, the optimal way differs from salesman to salesman.

    I like the “story” idea. I think I’ll steal that from you, actually. Good stuff.

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  180. on January 3, 2011 at 12:07 am Rey de Corazones

    Holugu, you can, and should, deploy romanticism in positive proportion to asshole game. The more asshole game, the more romance to go along with it. Push, pull, push, pull.
    Why do you think women, especially of the more, ahem, feminine variety, love “makeup sex” or “fighting hatefucks” so much? Helllloooooo! Nothing tickles a girl’s ivories more than the combination of “I hate you” and “I can’t live without you”. And neither of them works without the other.
    You can’t only play the white keys. You also can’t only play the black keys.

    Like literal waves, resonance frequency comes from pulling just as hard as you push, and from keeping the disorientation and movement going at all times.

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  181. “STR/ONS, a hindrance, in my case. My experience, your mileage may vary.”

    I’m not into that scene, as I’m a touchy feely kind of guy who gets off on intimacy and include intimacy as a big part of the sexual experience. Even for fuck buddies and one night stands and girls I don’t like, there is a core of intimacy and connection that is both the initial spark and the fuel.

    I’ll give an example. My main girl now had exchanged only a few online sentences before meeting. Within an hour of meeting we were making love. Not fucking – making love. Now she’s head over heels for me, cooks and cleans dotes and is infatuated to the point of obsession.

    That’s how I play.

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  182. By “aggressive” I mean having a greater emotional weight in the context of a conversation, so that the tone of the overall interaction, which is a weighted average of your two vibes, becomes much more strongly weighted in terms of your vibe.

    Well said. That is the fundamental.

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  183. on January 3, 2011 at 12:21 am Rey de Corazones

    xsplat, to break it down more precisely, there are different components of the weighted average.
    Ideally, the *surface* components of the average — conversational speed, volume, etc. — should lie closer to her value; in fact, “comfort” is often more a result of these conversational components lying close to hers than of the words you’re actually saying.
    On the other hand, the *deep* components — the emotional tone, the vibe — should lie closer to your center of gravity than to hers.

    A conversation is like the ocean — the deep currents should run your way, while the surface currents should run her way. If all of the currents are going the same way, you get a disaster.
    As usual, girls can only see the surface current, but they silently tread the deep current. If you work it the right way, she won’t be able to explain why she’s being drawn toward you, even though everything she can actually *see* is going her way.

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  184. xsplat, the thing is, I am a natural empath (I use a specific facet of it that enables me to do cold reading–which mesmerizes them and works like an aphrodisiac on them).

    Thus I need to compensate or my condition would get me on a slippery slope. Perhaps it is from my POV that there is no “romance” involved on my side. What matters is how it is interpreted by women. If they tell me, almost all of them, something in the mold of “I am besotted with you”, that is good enough romance for me.

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  185. Thus I need to compensate or my condition would get me on a slippery slope. Perhaps it is from my POV that there is no “romance” involved on my side. What matters is how it is interpreted by women. If they tell me, almost all of them, something in the mold of “I am besotted with you”, that is good enough romance for me.

    Regarding compensation, it’s been mentioned that overcompensation can destroy your soul. I’ve heard people complain of losing joy in their life because of losing the ability to bond. Compensation is for balance, but what often happens instead is a pendulum swing.

    I’m very serious about the hedonistic imperative. There is a science of contentment, and a huge part of that is interpersonal bonds. Romance, in other words. Illusory or not, it’s essential.

    But like yourself, I’ve also had to alter my center of gravity away from empathy towards selfishness. Unlike many, I’ve noticed that throwing out the baby is a crime against my humanity.

    Like yourself, I only talk about how much girls love me. I rarely mention my love for other girls. However I’m always cognizant of the connection, and the joy in it.

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  186. xsplat, my soul is fine. I reserve the bonding aspect to LTRs. STRs/ONSs are always transitional, the bonding would be misplaced. Not that I lack any enjoyment, far from it, it just has a different quality and I am simply not confusing the two.

    It is a matter of focus, even as empathy goes. You describe empathy as “touchy, feely”, but it has a wider aperture in my case. Probably a form of resonance would be a better description. It is less of a projection, which is what people usually associate with empathy, it is more like a map of the other. In other words, I know that they are looking for… for instance a STR and I don’t presume there is more. Even if she is temporarily besotted, I know it is just a temporary state.

    I was looking for a word, and found it. In my case, empathy does not equal compassion. It may be at times manifesting as such to some degree, but it usually covers more than that. It may lead sometimes to patterns that would seem counterintuitive, at least from what people understand as the general concept of empathy, or even compassion.

    Let me try some example that is more defined, not nuanced as it is usually in the interactions with women and remote enough for sake of privacy.

    When I was a kid, I think I was 9, a boy that was 1 year older repeated the grade, his name was Ike. I was a scrawny kid compared to his physical frame. He bullied every boy in the class. It did not bother me that he tried to bully me as well, I simply did not get into his path, except rarely. I pegged him that he is pretty upset that he couldn’t pass with his peers. I also thought there may be something unusual in his family, possibly a lack of cohesion or warmth. (Later I found out that his mother died a few years back. His father was working long shifts to support 4 kids, and he was not exactly a soft and fuzzy guy, and somewhat uncaring what his kiddos did unless they were in trouble with authorities . His 3 siblings were older than Ike and all in later teens. He was mostly alone left to his devices due to age difference and diverse interests.)

    So, I had this idea that I have to help him because I saw what was going on within him. Here is what happened.
    I ran out of school a head of him and waited. Once he got out, I approached him and hit him in the nose as hard as I could. He dropped down, bleeding and crying. I offered my hand and said, “Get up, let me see how bad it is.” He took my hand and straightened up. Me: “Not broken, come on, sit down on the curb and keep your head back, nose up, to stop bleeding.” We became friends and by the year’s end, everyone liked him.

    This is but one manifestation. The violence is not representative, just the complementarity factor is, that is problem/solution, the need to fix.

    Is it now more clear how this may be a serious impediment when unchecked?

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  187. @xsplat

    “I doubt you’ve ever heard a girl claim to have BPD. One hallmark of BPD is an inability to self criticize.

    But have you honestly heard girls claim they are sluts because of past sexual abuse?”
    ________________________________________

    Actually, I’ve had this exact experience several times. They characterized themselves as “borderlines” with what appeared to be some degree of pride. But yes, they all lacked the ability to self-criticize. To be fair, these were all girls in professional careers–two were physicians (one a psychiatrist). Three explicitly discussed their sexual abuse as youngsters. I think all claimed to have PTSD as a result.

    I like your comments here. Very sensible. I wade through the comment threads to find them.

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  188. Anton, But yes, they all lacked the ability to self-criticize.

    That is the most common feature of all women, not just “borderlines”.

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  189. “That is the most common feature of all women, not just “borderlines”.”

    Then BPDs are hyper feminine.

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  190. @FF

    Are you from kansas by any chance?????

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  191. So, I’m a n00b here, what the hell “FF” means?

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