Alpha Or Beta?

The older guy on the right with the wicked guitar:

alpha or beta shredder?

alpha or beta shredder?

He’s a lifelong studio musician who also tours with this band. They normally play in smaller venues holding crowds of 100 to 200 indie music fans, like the one I went to shown in this photo. Their music — bluegrass rock — is tight, polished and professional. He plays a custom-made tri-necked guitar consisting of electric guitar, electric violin and mandolin. I’d guess he’s in his 50s, long stringy gray hair, slight paunch, and a hep cat vibe — definitely a guy you know could inject a conversation over cheap beer with wild stories from his past.

Income? Probably not much. Solidly middle class at best.
Style? No fashion maven, no stuffed suit, no conformist. And doesn’t give a shit anymore. Paisley bowling shirts, man.
Game? Unknown. But it’s a good bet he has more natural game than the average accountant.
Status? For two hours on stage, and particularly during his REM-esque mandolin solos, he’s got some.

I don’t know if he’s married or has a girlfriend. Let’s assume for the sake of discussion he’s playing the field (“dating around” as I tell every girl who wonders if I’m banging other girls on the off-days).

Is he an alpha or a beta?

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I’ve seen the wives of very high status ALPHA men — CEOs, CFOs, EVPs — and I’m not impressed. Those guys could do MUCH better given their status if they put in a little effort toward courting young hotties, but instead they are shackled to aging frumpy flabby hausfraus. I can tell you if I were a CEO of a very large company, coupled with my hard-earned game skills, I’d have a different 19 year old sucking my cock every day of the week and twice on Sunday. There’s no way you’d catch me hitched to a has-been human wreckage.

If you put Older Musician Guy in the boardroom, he’d have no status stacked against the high-powered wealthy executives. Actually, anywhere off the stage, his status plummets. But I’d still classify him as more alpha than them. Why? Because he’s got groupies. Young groupies. Cute groupies. Most of them won’t sleep with him because of the age difference, but some will. He experiences what’s best in life: Love with a beautiful woman, not plotting a shrewd hostile takeover.

In the end, when he reminisces, his won’t be a litany of regret and missed opportunity. Can you say the same for the CEO?

Conclusion: Lesser alpha.





Comments


  1. i think g.g. allin should be mentioned here as well. i doubt he left a litany of regret and missed opportunity.

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  2. on August 8, 2008 at 2:52 pm anonymous_coward

    One reason they settle for the hausfrau may be that they recognize the benefits of a domestic wife. As Ben said in your previous post, those not beautiful learn to be good, and a busy CEO may not have the time or inclination to reform the behavior of an party girl, 10 or not.

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  3. Dude,

    Thats a beta. He takes has been cougarizing frumps sucking on their miller lites listening to his music and doing the white-gals overbite dance. When they have had enough amber swill to make them feel sexy, they shake their jiggly second hand money makers at his stringy grey haired visage and he has an instant score.

    He gets a lot of love, but its not alpha love. Its second time around, post divorcee loosey juicey poontang.

    Beta.

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  4. I realize this isn’t the point, but I’m curious anyway. Is that a ring on his left finger? I can’t tell by blowing up the picture.

    Back to the substance – I don’t know any young, cute groupie that would hook up with that saggy-sacked, two-steps-from-the-grave, disgusting old man.

    And as for the CEO, who says he doesn’t have a 19 year old sucking his cock while the hausfrau is at home folding his socks? Believe it or not, a lot of the time it is because of his wife’s support that he made it to be the CEO in the first place.

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  5. I go with what I predict will be the prevailing theme in comments– with that much wealth at risk, the CEOs marry someone below them because they’ll run the household, probably not cheat, and take care of the kids. Anyone high maintenance and full of drama will be a waste of resources, both financial and time, because they have the exec by the financial balls.

    Pussy, when traveling (fucking someone in the office is an amateur move these days if you’re that powerful in a company, especially a public one), is easy to come by and much less likely to come back to haunt you.

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  6. Since I’ve lived the life of the musician you describe, Roissy, I can tell you that you are completely full of shit.

    The women you get in that business are half insane dirtbags who want to drag you in the alley for a blowjob.

    Working as a touring musician on the level you describe is bleak poverty, crappy hours, drunks and bitter fights with other musicians, managers and owners over pennies.

    I’ve enjoyed some of your posts, but your childishness just screams through this post.

    Since I have also worked directly for the CEO of an international corporation, I can tell you that I found a lot more happiness in that world than I ever found in the music business.

    Some of the stuff you write makes some sense. The pride you take in cruelty is just idiocy.

    I know this act of yours because I played it when I was a young man. Yes, it got me a lot of pussy. No, it wasn’t worth it.

    Time to grow up a little.

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  7. He gets a lot of love, but its not alpha love. Its second time around, post divorcee loosey juicey poontang.

    Beta.

    Getting ample trim from middle-aged divorcees might be enough to elevate this man to Alpha status among his peers. Given the lower quality of the poon he gathers he wouldn’t qualify as an Alpha when compared to men in their twenties. But when compared to other 50-something men, he’s undoubtedly Alpha all the way.

    It’s sort of like the “masters” categories in marathons and other amateur sporting events. Older competitors’ results are compared against others in their age categories. The fastest 60-year-old in a marathon deserves some accolades, and certainly is a good athlete, even though he’s not going to be able to outrun a typical 25-year-old competitor. Same idea.

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  8. on August 8, 2008 at 3:33 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    4 Lexi

    No its not a ring.

    Topic Response:

    Alphas of the NYSE keep a wife in the home, and a least one mistress on the side in an apartment on the upper east side.

    The advantage of a Wall Street kingpin is the NY Manhattan supermodel scene. Girls who alternate between Milan, Paris and NYC.

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  9. How do you know he has natural game? He could have none. Brad Pitt probably doesn’t have much game – he doesn’t need it. I don’t see much alpha in this guy. And it is possible to tour with a band and not get lucky, and even be afraid of approaching women (Neil Strauss?).

    hmmm… maybe this is Roissy in a wig.

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  10. If touring with a low-rent bluegrass band is something he loves, and he bangs the occasional groupie, he is in the 90th percentile carpe diem-wise of his age and demographic. So, pretty much agree with the lesser alpha designation. Disagree with the image of CEO’s as beta providers for middle-aged frumps though.

    Summary:

    Beta middle manager with old fat wife < dude < CEO-by-day-railing-lines-off-a-supermodel’s-asscheek-by-night

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  11. on August 8, 2008 at 4:01 pm Usually Lurking

    Most CEOs are simply to smart and driven to spend much time with young hotties (read: morons). All you need to do is look at the Fortune list and see, and read about, their wives. Most of the wives went to competitive and universities and more than a few actually accomplished something in life (or, were on their way to accomplishing something, or, at least attempted to).

    Most of these guys have pretty active minds and they need someone to keep up. And they are WAY too busy to actually play the field.

    This is why guys like Larry Ellison are the exception and not the rule.

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  12. @9

    Brad Pitt doesn’t have natural game? Then how can he accurately portray incredibly alpha male characters (fight club, ocean’s 11, snatch etc)

    If he can “fake” alphaness in front of a camera, he can do it in a pub. Brad Pitt minus fame would still pull more snatch than 99.9% of men.

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  13. on August 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm Patrick Bateman

    My first guess would be alpha, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a shy beta offstage.

    I’ve seen the wives of very high status ALPHA men — CEOs, CFOs, EVPs — and I’m not impressed. Those guys could do MUCH better given their status if they put in a little effort toward courting young hotties, but instead they are shackled to aging frumpy flabby hausfraus. I can tell you if I were a CEO of a very large company, coupled with my hard-earned game skills, I’d have a different 19 year old sucking my cock every day of the week and twice on Sunday. There’s no way you’d catch me hitched to a has-been human wreckage.

    Have you seen their girlfriends? For breeders, other factors count as much or more than looks when choosing the mother of their children. Have kids with the cute but intelligent, feminine and very maternal woman. Fist fuck the hottie with a 2 digit IQ, but don’t marry her.

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  14. on August 8, 2008 at 4:19 pm Patrick Bateman

    <iIf he can “fake” alphaness in front of a camera, he can do it in a pub. Brad Pitt minus fame would still pull more snatch than 99.9% of men.

    He can, but would he? It seems that many good actors are introverts who would be almost pussyless without their fame. Most men who could benefit from game never bother to learn.

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  15. on August 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm Steve Johnson

    “Pussy, when traveling (fucking someone in the office is an amateur move these days if you’re that powerful in a company, especially a public one), is easy to come by and much less likely to come back to haunt you.”

    So wrong. Betas chase pussy in the office and get shit for it because the women regret it if anything happens and want to never see the guy again. Alphas chase pussy in the office, get it and when they’re tired of it, the woman is happy to be pleasant and keep smiling just so she might get another shot at that alpha sperm.

    How women react determines whether or not an action is ok in America in 2008. The rules don’t apply to alphas because women always react positively to them.

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  16. It has been proven that chicken lay more eggs while listening to music. Good music marinates well with age. Pupu’s heart falls for this similar looking old guy every time she watches this video:

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  17. on August 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm jonathanjones02

    Wow, maybe Shouting Thomas is now the one bringing the ugly truths.

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  18. SB:
    How do you know he has natural game? He could have none.

    true, but i play the odds. a musician, having more experience immersed in social scenarios, will likely have better natural game than a spreadsheet bound accountant.

    Brad Pitt probably doesn’t have much game – he doesn’t need it.

    brad pitt probably does have game, though he obviously wouldn’t need it now.

    I don’t see much alpha in this guy. And it is possible to tour with a band and not get lucky, and even be afraid of approaching women (Neil Strauss?).

    i don’t buy strauss’ pre-game tales of woe touring with bands. to write books about rockstars (vince neil!) and be around their groupies all the time and not get laid you’d have to be pretty fucking socially clueless and/or impotent.

    but assuming strauss isn’t lying, his past touring lifestyle gave him more status and knowledge of women than he seems to be willing to admit in his book “the game”. i wonder how often he mentioned to girls in clubs that he hung out with motley crue?

    hmmm… maybe this is Roissy in a wig.

    pay no attention to the man under the wig.

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  19. Most powerful CEOs are married to old, sagging women because 1) when you’re that high up in America, many people own your ass, and 2) most of them are actually betas that learned how to play the game professionally the same way roissy has socially.

    There’s no difference, really. Real alphas are few and far between, even in business. Most are fakes.

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  20. note: just because strauss’ rockstar biographer status likely helped him eventually score hot women doesn’t mean his teachings (well, really mystery’s teachings) aren’t valuable. the game and its application stands on its own, status or not.

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  21. #14 PB, Actors are on average extroverts and students of human behavior. They are the biggest subset of players you will ever meet whether a-list or not, apart from athletes. Unemployed actors and off-off broadway types clean house son, like you wouldn’t believe.

    On the other hand, I can say definitively that I’ve never met a player that was a quant with a PhD in Theoritical Physics….economics yes, but physics? No.

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  22. on August 8, 2008 at 4:45 pm Usually Lurking

    but assuming strauss isn’t lying

    I have never read the book, but I have seen him in a few interviews. I think that what happened was, he was a genuinely “nice guy” who could never ape the bad-ass attitude that most rock-stars have. And this was an eye-opener.

    He was able to compare himself to the rockstars and even some of the managers (and even some of the other writers/hanger-ons), who were getting blowjobs and saw how deficient he really was.

    Had he been an accountant instead, he probably would have been much less aware.

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  23. on August 8, 2008 at 4:50 pm Usually Lurking

    Unemployed actors and off-off broadway types clean house son, like you wouldn’t believe.

    Count me as one who absolutely believes it. One of the biggest things that most actors (again, talkin’ all actors, not just the big stars) have going for them is that they feel every fucking emotion. And those emotions come out all the time. It is difficult for them to contain themsleves.

    This is why so many of them sound like complete morons when they are being interviewed, it is difficult for them to filter out the nonsense.

    The best actors are the ones who can feel those things AND contain themselves. They tend to sound quite intelligent in interviews.

    On the other hand, I can say definitively that I’ve never met a player that was a quant with a PhD in Theoritical Physics….economics yes, but physics? No.

    Richard Feynman. Banged grad-students (female) with impunity. I am not sure how many of them looked like Pamela Anderson, but, he worked with what was there.

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  24. “I know this act of yours because I played it when I was a young man. Yes, it got me a lot of pussy. No, it wasn’t worth it.

    Time to grow up a little.”

    I’m going to take the liberty of expanding on my own statements.

    Read Henry Miller, Roissy. He covered the territory you’re exploring way back in the 1930s and 1940s.

    Miller was just as cruel and simplistic as a young man as you are. As an old man he understood that the crazy, wild life he led as a young man was his way of educating himself out of his ignorance and meanness.

    I went through the same thing. Sure, it was great bagging all that pussy when I was young and living in San Francisco. Hell, I didn’t consider it a good day unless I fucked at least two women.

    It’s an educational exercise. Miller was fighting with his own ignorance and his own demons. So was I. So are you. Telling you this won’t make a bit of difference. It will be a decade or so before you catch on.

    Read “Tropic of Cancer” first. Miller has covered this territory thoroughly.

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  25. Richard Feynman?

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  26. on August 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm Patrick Bateman

    All these womanizers who discover the error of their ways at 50 are probably just suffering the effects of decreased testosterone levels. They haven’t really matured, they’ve just become pussies. Yet another good reason to start taking T before you hit 40.

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  27. I read once that one of the requirements of rising to the top of the corporate ladder (for men, and back then only men could do that) was to marry early and stay married to the same woman. That explains the “frumpy flabby hausfraus” so prevalent among executive wives.

    Keep in mind that when you get married right out of college at age 21 (or even earlier!) you have no idea that you are in fact going to make it to the top. But once you get there, you know that you’d better keep her in order to stay there. Ref Gary and Lorna Wendt for further details.

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  28. on August 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm Patrick Bateman

    @21 DF
    Actors are on average extroverts and students of human behavior. They are the biggest subset of players you will ever meet whether a-list or not, apart from athletes. Unemployed actors and off-off broadway types clean house son, like you wouldn’t believe.

    Go back and read my comment again. Pay attention this time. I don’t deny that actors are extroverts on average, but I believe that good actors are often natural introverts who learn how to act extroverted. Next time you see Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, Ethan Hawke, etc. accept an award, listen to their tone and watch their body language.

    On the other hand, I can say definitively that I’ve never met a player that was a quant with a PhD in Theoritical Physics….economics yes, but physics? No.

    Me neither, I am not a quant and I don’t have a Ph.D. in physics yet. Have you ever known a theoretical physicist?

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  29. Batemen,

    Actually I’m approaching 60, and I’m still getting laid every day. I just no longer find it necessary or interesting to see how cruel I can be in getting my loving.

    I was married for 18 years to the most beautiful, sexy Filipina you will ever see. Go to my website and take a look. She passed away three years ago. When she was alive I was getting it twice a day.

    This site has its purpose, but that purpose is wearing thin. The revenge against the worthless feminist over-induldged women… hell, I’m all for it. But, there is a point at which both sides in the war become equally damnable… and Roissy has reached that point.

    I’m still a professional musician. I play with at least three bands. The women you can get playing in a band are a professional hazard. Most of them need psychiatric care. I still enjoy that world… the hard macho cowboy world of the music biz. But, I don’t glamorize it.

    I can stay in the music biz it because I have great technical skills and I make a living very easily. I wouldn’t stick my dick in the kind of trash you pick up playing in bars and clubs. That’s a one way ticket to hell.

    Roissy’s a good humorist, but the step-by-step program is for suckers. Guess what? You are being had. Any man who tells you how to get pussy is deliberately tricking you.

    Roissy wants all the pussy to himself. Ever thought of that?

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  30. My god?!!?! Its so simple! Yet so dastardly. Release the hounds!!!!

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  31. @Shouting Thomas

    BTW she was pretty damn hot! My condolences.

    Doc F

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  32. Thanks, Dr. Feelgood.

    Myrna was beyond hot. She was on fire.

    Most amazing woman I ever met or ever will meet.

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  33. #28 PB, Oh little patrick, wherever would you be without game literature and resources to tell you what are alpha traits and what are not?

    Me neither, I am not a quant and I don’t have a Ph.D. in physics yet.

    That’s not what I said, pay attention this time.

    Have you ever known a theoretical physicist?

    Yes

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  34. on August 8, 2008 at 6:14 pm Patrick Bateman

    @33 DF
    Curse your fellatious ways

    Oh little patrick, wherever would you be without game literature and resources to tell you what are alpha traits and what are not?

    My grandfather taught me alpha before I knew about the PUA community. He grew up in a culture where successful men were expected to have a mistress or too. I started developing my own game techniques before I discovered PUA resources online. The community has definitely made things easier.

    That’s not what I said, pay attention this time.

    Did I write somewhere that you said that? I wrote that like you, I too have never known someone with those attributes.

    I’ve been lying this whole time. I’m not a physicist, I’m sara’s abusive ex-husband.

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  35. I was at that show last Saturday, I thought the dude in question was awesome, but the rest of the band? Boring warmed over countryish. The bandmates would pull this guy down.

    I had a buddy who was in a band when he was a chump. They finished the set and my guitar playing friend was asked if he knew the lead singer; he had been so beta as to be invisible even on stage

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  36. Growing up in a major music town (Austin), I’ve known a lot of session musicians. Shouting Thomas is pretty much spot on.

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  37. The comments are more entertaining than the original post. Here’s my go:

    Lots of successful business types do enjoy frequent casual sex with a variety of attractive women. Others get tired of that, don’t want to play petty dating games, are sickened by prostitutes, and don’t want to worry about damaging their reputations. Also some men want children and a wife that cares about them and keeps them intellectually stimulated, and find more satisfaction in their careers than in casual sex..

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  38. Have you seen their girlfriends? For breeders, other factors count as much or more than looks when choosing the mother of their children. Have kids with the cute but intelligent, feminine and very maternal woman. Fist fuck the hottie with a 2 digit IQ, but don’t marry her.

    Again, the ugly question must appear, what’s the incentive to marry if the woman in question is simply a sexless, yet maternal and feminine breeder?

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  39. Shouting Thomas, that was a really beautiful and heartfelt tribute to your late wife. I am very much moved and inspired. Through your description I can tell she was a very spiritual and wise person, someone I could only hope to emulate. Thanks for sharing that.

    It’s also interesting, the differences in attitude between older and younger men, on this blog and elsewhere. Reading the distinction made about alpha vs. beta — based on quality and quantity of women banged — makes me a bit rueful. There is so much more to be had between human beings.

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  40. on August 8, 2008 at 6:38 pm De te fabula narratur.

    33 ‘Have you ever known a theoretical physicist?

    Yes’

    was she hot?

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  41. on August 8, 2008 at 6:41 pm Patrick Bateman

    Again, the ugly question must appear, what’s the incentive to marry if the woman in question is simply a sexless, yet maternal and feminine breeder?

    Children do better in two parent homes. It’s not like you’re going to marry a fucking robot or an ugly bitch. You’ll pick someone who you like spending time with.

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  42. on August 8, 2008 at 6:43 pm Patrick Bateman

    was she hot?

    There aren’t that many girls in physics, and I’ve never met a hot theoretical physicst. I’ve met one hot physicist and she was an experimentalist. I’ve met a few cute girls in physics.

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  43. Roissy —

    Here’s where you are wrong, wrong, and more wrong. Nearly every self-made millionaire (did not inherit) credits the wisdom and support of his wife. In fact, the advice they give is to get married young and stay married, but of course to the right person.

    Your advice leads to Henry Nicholas III, losing his wife, company, children, out in disgrace. The Warren Buffett, or other entrepeneurial type, long-climb to success pretty much dictates “beta” type qualities and most importantly, support and advice from one person a CEO-type can trust, and is removed from day-to-day issues.

    You confuse the sort of corporate, back-stabbing ladder climbing in big entertainment companies or in the past, software/computer companies, with the kind of success that accrues to entrepeneurial types. For most of them, there’s no big hit merely a slow, steady, upward slog that makes emotional support critical over decades. There is a trade-off: physical desire/sex for emotional support. Most of the “millionaire” entrepeneurs believe that trade off is worth it. Again, I’m speaking of self-made guys not inherited wealth folks like Trump, or the quick-hit folks like Jobs, Ellison, etc. At any rate, the divorces that say, GE’s Jack Welch undergo, is ugly, wealth-draining, and tarnishes his ability to sell more books in his retirement. That’s far different than say, Starbuck’s founder Howard Schulze.

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  44. Roissy what is you take on the Alpha or Beta status of a guy like Woody Allen. His characters are Beta, insecure, neurotic types but he is very succesful with the ladies. He, in at least his 50s, dumped his former Hollywood star wife for her 18 yo step daughter with whom he has had multiple children.

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  45. on August 8, 2008 at 6:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Shouting Thomas,
    I would suggest you go to her hometown and talk with her family. You can see how woman like that are made. May help with healing and be able to talk about the past to understand how she could undergo so much and still be a sensual woman and still be a great person.

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  46. on August 8, 2008 at 6:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    To have a woman that you would do anything for and would do anything for you. Not a bad way to live.

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  47. on August 8, 2008 at 7:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    What people find it hard to understand is that it is hard to find that person. They are rare. So yea not everyone is going to get their soulmate. Not everyone is willing to be a soulmate or willing to be rich. Although everyone can be a soulmate or rich. Most people are not willing to consciously make those descisions.

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  48. Roissy what is you take on the Alpha or Beta status of a guy like Woody Allen. His characters are Beta, insecure, neurotic types but he is very succesful with the ladies. He, in at least his 50s, dumped his former Hollywood star wife for her 18 yo step daughter with whom he has had multiple children.

    Despite being rather vertically challenged he was a very good athlete in his younger days.

    His neurotic Beta characters almost certainly are just that – characters.

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  49. @39 hope,

    could you repeat your post again? i didn’t catch it the first time as i was too busy staring at your tits.

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  50. I’m really getting sick of the accountant bashing on this site. We don’t just crunch numbers anymore, computers do. Being social and people-oriented is central nowadays, especially in auditing, where you almost need detective level interrogation skills.

    Re: Wives. Statistics show that more men want wives than women want husbands. There is an evolutionary rationale: men with wives are more stable in the community with a secure base, they are more attractive to other women, and they are seen as less of a threat to other males. Don’t get stuck on the vows, men still have a natural desire to sleep with as many women as possible, having a ‘wife’ lets them do so from a secure base.

    Woody Allen is alpha enough: humor, status, wealth, confidence (yes he is confident) etc. But marrying a step-daughter is a pathetic beta move. A good hallmark of the beta – how much he relies on social-circle game. Allen took that to the nth power.

    OK Actors usually have some form of game. They have too I guess. But not so musicians. Musicians communicate mainly with sound and instruments, actors with body language etc.
    Musicians can have a presence on stage, but it is not the same presence required of acting – the kind of presence that translates to the real world.

    Looking at all the guys who played guitar in bands on stage in school etc, betas the lot, happy with whatever low-self esteem goth slut sat on their lap. One of the guys from Pickup Podcast, John Dzubak, met some rockers at an airport who were still afraid of approaching women cold. Actually, didn’t Strauss himself talk of rockstars who found it difficult to interact with women who weren’t handed to them?

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  51. Those guys could do MUCH better given their status if they put in a little effort toward courting young hotties, but instead they are shackled to aging frumpy flabby hausfraus. I can tell you if I were a CEO of a very large company, coupled with my hard-earned game skills, I’d have a different 19 year old sucking my cock every day of the week and twice on Sunday. There’s no way you’d catch me hitched to a has-been human wreckage.

    This appears to contradict previous statements on the blog where you say you believe in love. Everyone gets old. Do you or do you not believe in falling in love with a person and committing to each other for life? Or do you believe in a finding a woman willing to raise your children and cook meals for you, while looking the other way while you get whatever sex you can on the side? Or do you believe in 5-10 year relationships, where you keep trading in for younger models as your girlfriends/wives age, until you die?

    Do you have a realistic plan for the long term?

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  52. on August 8, 2008 at 7:49 pm SeaFighter HSV

    Steve Howe?

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  53. “Children do better in two parent homes. It’s not like you’re going to marry a fucking robot or an ugly bitch. You’ll pick someone who you like spending time with.”

    Yes, Patrick. They also do better when their father is faithful to their mother. The men I’ve known with straying fathers regarded them with contempt. They’re among the ones most likely to turn into male femi-nazis. Watch out for that.

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  54. i don’t buy strauss’ pre-game tales of woe touring with bands. to write books about rockstars (vince neil!) and be around their groupies all the time and not get laid you’d have to be pretty fucking socially clueless and/or impotent.

    let’s not forget that strauss’s prime directive, as an author of pop lit like “the game”, is to establish rapport with his audience (as a means to selling a maximal # of books). a big part of that rapport lies in his material’s resonating with the base of readers who’d be labeled “AFCs”, so i’m sure that he exaggerates his past failings accordingly.

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  55. I saw pre-Game pics and video clips of Strauss, one was of him doing stand-up and he was really nebbish and dorky. I could see it although I do think he exaggerated at least a little.

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  56. on August 8, 2008 at 8:21 pm Comment_Praise_Mommy

    Shouting Thomas 6:
    ****
    Since I have also worked directly for the CEO of an international corporation, I can tell you that I found a lot more happiness in that world than I ever found in the music business.
    ****

    Shouting Thomas 24:
    ****
    Miller was just as cruel and simplistic as a young man as you are. As an old man he understood that the crazy, wild life he led as a young man was his way of educating himself out of his ignorance and meanness.
    ****

    Looking at those two lives, one as the personal minion of the leader of an international coorporation, and one as a man who banged alot of women, I’m kinda thinking the on as a personal minion involved a lot more of what you would call sin if it were done to a woman.

    But of course, in Business, since it mostly involves brutalizing men, sin doesn’t really exist, Mommy told Tommy that. In the Sexual Marketplace, since it might, or might not, involve actually hurting women, sin DOES exist. So says Mommy.

    Praise Mommy in the Highest.

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  57. Everyone gets old.

    Well… not absolutely everyone. Some people die before they get old. But I agree with you that those words directly contradict the idea of enduring love, one that “bears it out even to the edge of doom.”

    About those men who stay with “old hag wives” — it makes sense to want a stable and harmonious home life, one that is honest and open, and not characterized by constant manipulation and war tactics. And it also makes sense to pick someone you like spending time with as a lifelong mate, not just in the bedroom but outside of it.

    The blanket statements about older women being worthless seem to originate from a place of youthful arrogance and lack of understanding about long-term companionship. “Truths” are usually more poignant, and this one rings rather hollow.

    If biomechanics is really God (courtesy of Roissy’s taglines), and we are purely biological agents with the sole intention of seeking the next sperm donor or fetus receptacle, then this viewpoint holds some merit. In this view, you might as well kill yourself when you become infertile.

    But if even the glimmer of possibility exists that there is more to the world than meets the eye (*), and that we possibly could be more than mere collections of cells, then an emotional and spiritual connection is as precious as, if not more so than, the physical and sexual.

    * http://cre.ations.net/creation/the-time-fountain

    It is easy to trick the human sight. Just change the light frequency a little bit, and we have confused humans. Much of what people take for reality is provided by the eye, an easily tricked organ. The visual sense is very powerful, but just like our other human senses, it is flawed and not nearly the best or keenest among the animal kingdom.

    Symbols, imagery, memories and written language itself is seen and easily manipulated. “Hot” girls are all about looks, and what we deem to be “cool” or “awesome” are usually visual. Imagine how different our perceptions would be if our sensory organs were different.

    When speaking of “human wreckage,” remember that we are all part of the same compost heap.

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  58. on August 8, 2008 at 8:30 pm Comment_Internation_MUSIC_COMPANTY

    Oh boy, Thomas, was that leader, the leader of an International MUSIC company, the kind who screws over every fucking band they can? Who lives to steal and steals to live?

    Did he use you as cred, thomy, to trick other Band people into trusting him?

    Oh boy, and Thomy didn’t even marry an American woman himself.

    Fuck you Thomas.

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  59. on August 8, 2008 at 8:31 pm Usually Lurking

    I’m really getting sick of the accountant bashing on this site…

    Who was bashing them? I am sayin’ being an accountant and being a rockstar are two different things.

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  60. i don’t have time to respond to all of the above right now, but this was uncharacteristically myopic of hope:

    In this view, you might as well kill yourself when you become infertile.

    wrong.
    fertility is not required for parental investment in offspring, which is every bit as important to survival as is actual reproduction.
    we are, after all, k-strategists.

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  61. on August 8, 2008 at 8:33 pm Sara the meek

    If you put Older Musician Guy in the boardroom, he’d have no status stacked against the high-powered wealthy executives. Actually, anywhere off the stage, his status plummets.

    Oh my God, roissy. Are you serious? His status? Wow.

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  62. on August 8, 2008 at 8:35 pm Usually Lurking

    They’re among the ones most likely to turn into male femi-nazis.

    Boys that do not respect their fathers go of the rails. A boy is, obviously, very protective of his mother. When daddy cheats, many boys are able to, basically, divorce themselves from their fathers.

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  63. on August 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm Sara the meek

    I do get your point though, roissy. Happiness is alpha? Love is alpha? Okay, that’s very nice. But why the constant usage of the word, alpha? Talk about boring and repetitious. Where does this deep need to categorize come from? Oh right, the left brain.

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  64. fertility is not required for parental investment in offspring, which is every bit as important to survival as is actual reproduction.

    And infertile without children? It’s an exaggeration, of course. Personally, I believe that consciousness is its own value, regardless of reproduction.

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  65. on August 8, 2008 at 8:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    comment 56
    But of course, in Business, since it mostly involves brutalizing men, sin doesn’t really exist, Mommy told Tommy that. In the Sexual Marketplace, since it might, or might not, involve actually hurting women, sin DOES exist. So says Mommy.

    You ain’t shittin guys get brutalized for real in the business side for management. They are given three months to 6 months to succeed (get promoted) and then canned when not promoted. Only a couple of spaces at the real top so most get canned. Interesting double standard of ruthlessness no dought. Of course guys might like being ruthless they tend to fire a lot of people before they go. To me it has been an interesting phenomena to watch. Why I stay low enough not to get fired until I am ready to leave. I will then take my turn at the wheel lol

    Boss to lower minion
    “You really have high management potential”
    Boss fired
    Call goes out
    “next sacrifice step up to the plate please”
    Lower minion steps up
    says to new lower minion
    “You really have high management potential”
    Boss fired
    Call goes out
    “next sacrifice step up to the plate please”
    Repeat ad nauseum.
    Some of the new ones think they are fast tracking lol

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  66. I’ve seen the wives of very high status ALPHA men — CEOs, CFOs, EVPs — and I’m not impressed.

    Perhaps they know a few things that you simply haven’t learned yet. If you’re lucky, maybe eventually you will.

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  67. on August 8, 2008 at 9:01 pm Patrick Bateman

    alias clio
    Yes, Patrick. They also do better when their father is faithful to their mother. The men I’ve known with straying fathers regarded them with contempt. They’re among the ones most likely to turn into male femi-nazis. Watch out for that.

    Were their parents divorced? They might be trying to pin the blame on someone, and it’s easier to do that with your dad than your mom. I’ve met plenty of girls who hated their straying fathers.

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  68. Children do better in two parent homes.

    Of course, but that’s because the stereotypical single family home is de facto poor or working class. Of course, I’d like to see a comparison between poor single mother and rich single mothers of all races before making any hardcore conclusions.

    Admittedly, though, I would prefer my kids to grow up in a two parent home as the logistics certainly makes raising children considerably easier.

    It’s not like you’re going to marry a fucking robot or an ugly bitch.

    IIRC, don’t robots and ugly bitches compose roughly 90% of the female population globally?

    You’ll pick someone who you like spending time with.

    So why should I marry them when I can simply befriend a female and spend considerably less in the process?

    Nearly every self-made millionaire (did not inherit) credits the wisdom and support of his wife.

    For some reason, this concept of relying on your wife in such a fashion seems to frustrate me beyond compare. Maybe it’s a psychological reaction to perpetual singlehood, but the entire concept of relying on a wife for such support seems to diminish the individual greatness, and creates the aura of an incompetent and impotent male.

    And it also makes sense to pick someone you like spending time with as a lifelong mate, not just in the bedroom but outside of it.

    The problem is that the women who make great bedroom mates for some reason or another make for awful friends. The inverse is true as well, and the only way to rectify the problem is to either cheat on the marriageable partner or give up sex, or avoid marriage and children and live a life of great sex buttressed by sometimes lukewarm emotional support from female friends. Either way, the trade offs ensure that no male can be truly content.

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  69. Already been mentioned but the CEO has the wife and the 19-year old mistress. See: John Edwards.

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  70. #44 Sedated

    Re Woody Allen: In the opening monologue of Annie Hall, he laments just having turned 40 (I know, it’s fiction and he’s in character, but why would he lie about something that trivial?). That was 1977. You do the math.

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  71. “The problem is that the women who make great bedroom mates for some reason or another make for awful friends.”

    lmao

    total bullchit

    this blog and these comments really help me appreciate how good I got it, thx suckas!

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  72. Talking about how Alpha you are, and how easily you can nail hot chicks, is a sure sign that you’re a Beta in real life.

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  73. The problem is that the women who make great bedroom mates for some reason or another make for awful friends.

    And David A should know because he’s a mid-20s quasi-virgin living in his parent’s garage.

    He is an expert on matters of women, friends, and relationships, because he has so much experience with all three.

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  74. 72 Peter

    Oh Peter that was goooood.

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  75. 73 Rain And

    You are unwisely taking David Alexander apart when he’s made a very astute observation. When chemical attraction is “through the roof” there simply ain’t nothin’ left with which to build the non sexual part of a relationship. Listen, we all wish it were different.

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  76. John Edwards’ mistress was in her mid 40’s.

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  77. Microsoft is filled with great musicians who decided it would be nice to eat on a regular basis. Still you have to admire the struggling musician, playing smoke-filled bars (well not in Seattle though) into the wee hours of the morning. No really you do, don’t you?

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  78. Shouting Thomas said:Read Henry Miller, Roissy. He covered the territory you’re exploring way back in the 1930s and 1940s

    Oh God, not Henry Miller but you are right on.

    Miller was awful. I read Tropic of Capricorn, and in that book Miller slept with any and everywoman he could get his hands on. He was also a longtime lover of Anais Nin. Miller pimped Nin. Miller had Nin take money from her husband to give to him. BTW, I think most of the women you guys are meeting at the bars, and going home with are troubled as Anais Nin was

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  79. on August 8, 2008 at 11:09 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    36 BH

    Growing up in a major music town (Austin), I’ve known a lot of session musicians. Shouting Thomas is pretty much spot on.

    William B. Travis H.S. by chance?

    Funny thing about groupies…

    You don’t have to be a genuine musician to have em. Just be a semi-successful (the chops + some bookings) DJ with a high quality sound system.

    Austin is a bad place for trying to score a habitual bevy of groupies, as the Musician to groupie ratio is stupid.

    In Austin,
    everyone and their momma is a musician. And then you get SxSW firing up and bringing in 900 bands from all over the world… bleh!

    Guys like the one in the photo are a penny a dozen. And Lots of UT girls get suckered by the old farts.

    So… If your an aging musician in a (liberal) college town in a very conservative (red state)… welcome to the party, trim reaper.

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  80. on August 8, 2008 at 11:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Chic
    once a lover of Anais Nin woman you never go back lol

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  81. on August 9, 2008 at 12:00 am Gunslingergregi

    Thomas you need to start the I had jack shit for money then I met an asian woman now I am a millionaire blog.

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  82. on August 9, 2008 at 12:00 am Gunslingergregi

    I can’t do it YET

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  83. on August 9, 2008 at 12:02 am Gunslingergregi

    Although I meet the criteria of having jack shit for money when I met her.

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  84. David Alexander — entrepreneurial businessmen take risks in business that go through the roof. It’s extremely stressful and high-stakes. A slip and you’re poor. A supportive and insightful wife is vital according to those who have made that climb.

    Because literally they have no one else who can understand the massive risks, provide emotional comfort/stability, and make judgments about character or other big picture things that the entrepreneur may miss in the day-to-day grind.

    This is particularly true of restaurants, construction companies, and the like. Most people can have risk in only one aspect of their lives. If you have it in one, you generally don’t have it in the other, unless you crash and burn. Henry T. Nicholas III of Broadcom (and dungeons/orgies/drugs/backdating options fame), or John Edwards come to mind.

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  85. One of the reasons people make it to the top of large corps is that they do not spend a lot of time in pick-up bars and night clubs. They work long hours and every day. They do not drain their energies in complicated romantic relationships.

    Does that make them less alpha? I do not think so. They are pursuing longer term goals.

    Look at this scientifically: married people are healthier and happier than single people on average. You can advocate the singles lifestyle. Well, are you going to get above average level of satisfaction from being single? Maybe. But admit at the outset that you are battling the odds and you have to come up with plausible reasons why you think you can beat the odds.

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  86. Addendum to Randall Parker, a roasting of Paul Janka:

    “Tall, good looking Harvard grad manages to sleep with 138 women over 10 years by devoting his entire life to getting laid.”

    Jack Welch barely mentions women in his bio. He got a wife in Engineering school then seemingly entered the priesthood. It’s interesting.

    But the good thing about Game is it can be applied to most areas of life. It makes you a different person in the end: more confident, outgoing, friendly etc. Your best self.

    The Game is self-development that works.

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  87. Sebastian Flyte, Certainly confidence helps in work and play. How much it helps depends on what else you have going for you. Sometimes excess confidence can help you convince others to go along with you. But leaving aside the picking up of women for most endeavors where confidence helps you still have to succeed at other levels with good decisions and good work. Confidence by itself won’t make you successful.

    Paul Janka: He only laid about 14 women per year or a little over 1 per month and he had to devote full time to doing this? He seems inefficient. Maybe he was sufficiently choosy that it took a lot of time? Probably not. He could have done something more productive with those 10 years and had fewer girlfriends and had more to show for it.

    My take on the obsessive pick-up artists: They need help. Their lives are unbalanced. You do not spend all your hours having sex. One needs a balanced life.

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  88. on August 10, 2008 at 1:57 am InterestedParty

    “I’ve seen the wives of very high status ALPHA men — CEOs, CFOs, EVPs — and I’m not impressed. Those guys could do MUCH better given their status if they put in a little effort toward courting young hotties, but instead they are shackled to aging frumpy flabby hausfraus.”

    Question – have you seen their mistresses ? 🙂 Oftentimes, the non-threatening frumpy wife serves a social function and in many cases, the husband is allowed to have sex with whomever he wishes as long as he’s discreet.

    This bring up something else – have you seen the chick John Edwards was cheating on his wife with? Come on, man! I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s cheated on his wife with much more attractive women in the past.

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  89. 88 Interested Party

    I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s cheated on his wife with much more attractive women in the past.

    Has it never occurred to you that perhaps not all very attractive women are great in bed?

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  90. Sebastian you are incorrect about applying ‘game’ to everything in life. If PUAs went around applying bits of game in corporate settings they’d be eaten up by devious, backroom office politicos. Acting ‘alpha’, i.e. being loud and overconfident, is a sure fire way to be targeted by those who are far more machiavellian than you will ever be. Plus, it’ll piss off those rising to the top, you see, there is a little thing called hierachy in competitive workplaces: just because you act alpha, and pick up women, doesn’t automatically mean everything will be handed to you in the realm of power. It goes to show that underneath most PUAs they still suck at interpersonal relations.

    This post also makes me think that Roissy is a clueless middle class chump. The fathers of my peers (some old money, some new) actively encourage their sons to lay as many women as possible, including the servants. I very much doubt that Roissy has an inside view of this world, due to his lowly socioeconomic background.

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  91. on August 10, 2008 at 1:01 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    Has it never occurred to you that perhaps not all very attractive women are great in bed?

    Well… has it ever occurred to you, that for some (most) men she doesn’t have to do anything but lay there and look hot.

    Just the conquest thrill of banging a 9 or a 10 provide both stimulation to the visual cortex, and more then enough physical stim in the nerve ganglia of the glans, during intercourse to trip past his sexual threshold.

    If she can keigel while he works, thats more then good enough for 85% of the men out there.

    Only way for a hot chic to fail in bed, is:

    1 Bad Vaginal Odor caused by poor hygiene or masturbating with suger-laden lollypops or other yeast bloomers.

    2 Revealing a voice like Fran “The Nanny” Dreschner.

    BVO: Its not whats for dinner

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  92. Only way for a hot chic to fail in bed, is:

    1 Bad Vaginal Odor caused by poor hygiene or masturbating with suger-laden lollypops or other yeast bloomers.

    2 Revealing a voice like Fran “The Nanny” Dreschner.

    3. Being shaved.

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  93. 91 SAM

    Well… has it ever occurred to you, that for some (most) men she doesn’t have to do anything but lay there and look hot.

    That’s really pitiful. Your expectations must be so low. You must have to have sex with the lights on then? Just joking. LOL My dear friend who is quite “the man” said he had sex once with a 10 and it was the worst sex he’s ever had. Guess she just laid there looking “hot”. I prefer a man with much higher expectations, else they’re not going to be very good either.

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  94. Alpha’s DO NOT use steroids!

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  95. on August 10, 2008 at 3:34 pm Patrick Bateman

    @#90 Heh
    If you define game as being boisterously confident, then it will fail in many situations. But if you define game as being machiavellian then you will succeed.

    @#91 SAM
    Well… has it ever occurred to you, that for some (most) men she doesn’t have to do anything but lay there and look hot.

    That shit won’t work for a lot of guys. If she can’t take a dick then I’d rather fuck an average looking girl who can take it like a porn star.

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  96. on August 10, 2008 at 3:36 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    Alpha’s DO NOT use steroids!

    I know, just look at Schwarzenegger. He didn’t spend his youth fucking tons of hot chicks and eventually become governor of an American state with more power and wealth than most nations. He’s such a fucking beta loser.

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  97. on August 10, 2008 at 3:50 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    sara

    That’s really pitiful. Your expectations must be so low. You must have to have sex with the lights on then? Just joking. LOL My dear friend who is quite “the man” said he had sex once with a 10 and it was the worst sex he’s ever had. Guess she just laid there looking “hot”. I prefer a man with much higher expectations, else they’re not going to be very good either.

    I am a man of discernment, and I was not speaking about what I prefer. I am speaking about the sexual preferences of the north American man in general.
    I see you are a woman of assumptions.

    I prefer a woman who has done the complete kama sutra at least once, and can seriously give head, and is a bdsm submissive. I am beyond appearances.

    @95 Patrick Bateman

    You, like me are among the 15% In my post above.

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  98. Sara,

    Since men do not know which women are going to be good in bed and since we have no reason to expect less attractive women will be better in bed than more attractive women might as well as go for the more attractive women.

    You think less attractive women are better in bed? If so, why?

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  99. [My namesake] Bateman all the way back at 26:

    All these womanizers who discover the error of their ways at 50 are probably just suffering the effects of decreased testosterone levels. They haven’t really matured, they’ve just become pussies. Yet another good reason to start taking T before you hit 40.

    Excellent advice. It’s staggering how T-levels affect a man’s attitude to sex, love, marriage, game, everything. Banging women (even not-so-hot women) becomes an unambiguously good thing, devoid of worries about “emptiness”, “spiritual desolation”, “immaturity”, etc. None of that matters. Appetite for trim, and lots of it, skyrockets. Guilt disappears like a bad dream. So do doubt, fear, anxiety, self-loathing. (Self-loathing? Hah! Never have I loved myself so unconditionally, with such impregnable self-regard, as when I’m soaring on T).

    I recommend every man try T supplementation. When you start feeling the effects, come back here and read the discussions. You’d be amaaaaazed at how your opinions of things will change. Amaaaaazed.

    Oh, and the ladies pick up the change in you. Maybe they smell it in your sweat; I dunno. But they start looking back at you when you ogle them with T-enabled ogle-power in a way that shows that, somewhere in the back of their (luscious, sexy, hot!) female brains, they know the score. They know what’s happening. And they like it, just as much as you do.

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  100. 98 Randall

    You think less attractive women are better in bed? If so, why?

    No, I don’t make those kinds of generalizations any more than that I think attractive men are better in bed. Often the more attractive the more narcissistic and that is never a turn on. I read body language and learn a lot that way. Mainly I don’t want to have sex with men who are deceitful and it takes time to get to know a man’s basic character. No matter how “sexy”, bullshit is a huge turn OFF. Too much image, not enough substance…you know?

    99 PatrickH

    Never have I loved myself so unconditionally, with such impregnable self-regard, as when I’m soaring on T.

    OMG!! Isn’t your unconditional love dependent on T? You’re a slave to it in fact.

    96 Patrick

    I know, just look at Schwarzenegger. He didn’t spend his youth fucking tons of hot chicks…

    I think we’ll always disagree with each other on stuff like this. If I recall, you’re an enneagram type three, just like Arnie; The Performer. Image is real big with threes, and not at all with Challengers/eights (me). We like to tear down images, while threes like building them. Both are neurotic fixations, you might say.

    I don’t imagine Arnold would want his tons of hot chicksto actually SEE him shooting up steroids, but I could be wrong. Seems to me he’d want to appearnaturally buff. That is in and of itself a huge turn off for me.

    A three/eight romantic combination is on the enneagram endangered list. I was engaged for six months to a three. The red hot flaming affair was the catalyst for my first marriage breakup. You know….the abusive one, so I’m grateful. Bottom line–there are other ways to damage your liver that don’t take so much effort or regular blood tests. Just breathe!

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  101. on August 10, 2008 at 6:33 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    Stay on point. Yeah, of course Schwarzenegger would like to appear naturally buff. The fact is, he’s open about his steroid use and he’s still definitely alpha. Chances are, he would never have achieved his currently level of power without those steroids.

    BTW, I’m not neurotic at all.

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  102. 101 Patrick

    Perfect are you? LOL Sure. No insecurities, fears, obsessions, knee jerk reactions, sensitivities? None whatsoever? Reminds me of the saying, “I used to be conceited, but now I’m perfect.” If you say so, but you seemed a little touchy about the blood donator chicky poo who didn’t fall at your feet/cock, but I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong.

    She sits next to me and we start talking, she tells me about her stupid tattoo, cluck, cluck cluck…..Too bad bitch, you failed the test.

    Stay on point? What point am I supposed to stay on? Yours? The only point I know is mine, and if I really got to the point I’d have to ask myself what is the point of my commenting here.

    And what is Arnolds “level of power”? I’m not impressed with whatever it is. In fact I pay zero attention to Arnold Schwartzenegger except to refer to him as The Governator occasionally.

    Check this out; Arnold pumping iron. Funny as Hell!

    Like I said; night and day….. But it’s fun.

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  103. Patrick

    As far as I’m concerned, excessive testosterone/steroid use just makes a man more imbalanced and in Arnold’s case a big ass hole. It’s the same with women who have an over abundance of estrogen. They may be horny, but they’re impossible bitches. Been there.

    http://fox43.trb.com/features/bal-te.arnold03oct03,0,5747571.story

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  104. But Sara, all that matters is that the love itself be unconditional at that time. I love myself completely when I’m on T, no matter what I do, how I look or smell or taste, what horrific right-wing cause I’ve taken up into my T-fevered brain. None of it matters in the face of my, my, my…me!

    The love I feel for myself on T is True Love. And True Love is timeless, eternal and not dependent on conditions. So, take your double-X chromosomes and your little missy “logic” and put them where they belong! Woo-hoo!

    [There’s a book called Why Men Rule, about how patriarchy is inevitable because of the effects of testosterone on the human CNS. I’m thinking of writing a sequel:

    Why Men Rock

    ‘Cause we do, baby. We just plain fucking do.]

    And dear Sara, to see how COMPLETELY RIGHT I am, and how COMPLETELY WRONG you are, all you have to do is try a teensy-weensy little dose (for women, it is tres importante not to overdo T…miniscule dose, just once), and you too will understand the joy of perfect, tungsten-strength manly self-love.

    Your changed world-view will help you understand a great deal about the stronger, tougher, smarter sex: Men! And that’s something I’m sure you want to achieve. What with your womanly empathy at all.

    Just one little dose. Dare you.

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  105. on August 10, 2008 at 7:49 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    I know I’m not perfect. I’m just not neurotic. That’s not to say I completely lack neurotic qualities, but that I am far less neurotic than the average man. Yes, certain shit does push my neurotic buttons, but nothing that’s ever discussed here and that neurosis is relatively benign compared to most. Step out of yourself when you read comments on here. I feel nothing w.r.t. the chick at the blood donation center. My emotions are generally very weak, and I only brought that up because I thought it was germane to the post.

    And what is Arnolds “level of power”?

    Pay attention. I already explained that. I guess he doesn’t have any power in the new age organic tofu sucking hippie meaning of the word, but you people don’t really use words properly anyway.

    As far as I’m concerned, excessive testosterone/steroid use just makes a man more imbalanced and in Arnold’s case a big ass hole.

    Perhaps, but girl’s give it up for assholes.

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  106. Roissy and Patrick Bateman:

    Did you read 104? I rest my case! And I meant to say UNBALANCED not imbalanced. OMG!

    PatrickH honey baby, I would steer real clear of you, but thanks anyway.

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  107. on August 10, 2008 at 8:03 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    T may give promote narcissism but it also gives us other great things, like western civilization.

    T made this possible. I dedicate the 3rd movement starting at 24:20 to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2AEaQJuKDY

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  108. 105 Patrick

    Over posting alert…..

    I guess he doesn’t have any power in the new age organic tofu sucking hippie meaning of the word, but you people don’t really use words properly anyway.

    I am so not a hippie. You’ll have to come up with another explanation/box to put me in as far as my “improper” word usage. I frequently complain about there being too many hippies where I live. They’re an eyesore and they’re annoying clinging to the past with their classic rock worship, pot smoking….don’t get me started…its one reason I’m moving my ass out of this stupid backwards town. Plus soy gives me gas.

    As far as girl’s giving it up for assholes? What kinds of girls give it up for assholes? Neurotic asshole attracters I guess. Have fun.

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  109. Dearest PatrickH

    Seriously, I can truly relate to your self love but I’m telling you sugar, that you can achieve that same glorious state sans the pharmaceuticals. It just take a HELL of a lot more work, but isn’t freedom worth it? Freedom is worth EVERYTHING. As long as it’s the DRUG doin’ it for you, you’re not free. It’s got to get to you sooner or later.

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  110. Dearest Sara,

    My point was perhaps not ironically impressing-y enough. Testosterone has powerful effects on the psyche, including the development of impregnable self-love. To understand some things about men, it would be very useful for even women to experiment (carefully!) with T. Men should, IMO, consider supplementing with T as they age and endogenous T levels drop. The gravamen of my point was precisely that all of these effects are utterly dependent on testosterone. But that’s true of variance in endogenous test levels, too.

    Patrick Bateman’s (hey! You’re dead! Bret Easton Ellis killed you in a dock fire in 2003!) point was that changing attitudes of older men could be attributed to lower T-levels. I think he’s right. It’s not any kind of moral awakening, spritual growth or some such nonsense. It’s their T levels dropping. Bring them back up, and up goes the libido, up goes the self-esteem, and up, up, up goes the junk. Often inside an accomodating female.

    Anyway, you don’t have to steer clear of me, my darling Sara. I’m all talk. Test cycles make me garrulous, sociable, and eager for human contact. (Check out Andrew Sullivan’s essay “The He Hormone”–googleable–where he describes very similar effects of his T therapy). So right now, I’m chatting up interesting people everywhere I can find them. In a few weeks, I’ll be in post-cycle therapy, on clomid and Human Chorionic Gonadotropiin, smack dab in the middle of my post-cycle T crash…and believe me, by then I will be one throbbing pang of compassion. If I manage to post here, I’ll have to come up with an HTML tag to indicate the tear-stains splashed all over my sentences. And I will care, Sara. How I will CARE. About you, about Roissy, even about the post-mortem Patrick B. But mostly, I will just plain CARE. It’s going to hurt like hell, but what goes up (T) must come down.

    See what you think of me then.

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  111. About testosterone for aging men, here is a summary from the Mayo Clinic:

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/testosterone-therapy/MC00030

    Now, this information is so wishy-washy, with no clearly defined benefits or side effects in large, long term studies, you have to wonder what happened to the patriarchy in medical research. There are some very big, long term studies of hormone replacement in women.

    Due to this lack of vigorous and rigorous studies, we have to use our common sense. It only makes sense that as the hormone which makes men what their are declines, the “maleness” factor in an individual will decrease.

    Taking testosterone certainly causes psychological changes and physical changes, which are largely beneficial to men. They ban steroids for athletes, because steroids give an advantage. So, why not take hormone therapy as you age? Look at old people. Thin bones, weak muscles, lack of energy, depression, inactivity. It is sad.

    There is no bigger contest than life. Why not live well? Why just try to survive? Dying is mandatory, but living well is optional. Some people don’t seem to care about living well. Others do.

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  112. 111

    So, why not take hormone therapy as you age? Look at old people. Thin bones, weak muscles, lack of energy, depression, inactivity. It is sad.

    There is no bigger contest than life. Why not live well? Why just try to survive? Dying is mandatory, but living well is optional. Some people don’t seem to care about living well. Others do.

    Look Joel, I am about 100% healthier than just about any one my age. I did it by removing 99% of the toxic shit that had taken up residence in my body. The crap that keeps it from functioning properly and then my body did the rest. Crap like yeast, parasites, mercury, 200 different pesticides and chemicals, etc. You know; stuff most people don’t “believe” in. Those things don’t really care if you believe in them or not.

    I’ll put my faith in 3,000,000 years of evolution, rather than some stupid doctor who wants to sell me more toxic shit. At one point my body was so fucked up and the wonderful doctors wanted to put me on hormones and I was just getting worse and worse under their care and I said, “no fucking way!” I want to know why my body does not work. I want to know why I feel so bad. So I set about getting healthy from the inside out. and certainly not by doing it their way. Like Frank Sinatra, I did it my way.

    What are the odds? Look how long doctors live! What’s the average life span of a doctor? 50 something? And you’ll listen to those fools? LOL Think outside the little box and the two page magazine drug ads; one page for the drug and one page for the side effects. On the other hand; what do I care?

    I’ve spent my whole life getting healthy and now that I am, all the people my age are falling apart. I didn’t get this way by following the herd.

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  113. 110 PatrickH

    Testosterone has powerful effects on the psyche, including the development of impregnable self-love.

    That was a very heart felt/testosterone felt response, but I ain’t budging. You misuse the word “impregnable”. It means unable to be defeated or destroyed. Suppose your prescription runs out? Look, I’ve take many kinds of illegal drugs that make you feel “forever” good, but they eventually wore off.

    changing attitudes of older men could be attributed to lower T-levels. I think he’s right. It’s not any kind of moral awakening, spritual growth or some such nonsense. It’s their T levels dropping. Bring them back up, and up goes the libido, up goes the self-esteem, and up, up, up goes the junk. Often inside an accomodating female.

    In the west here, there is the prevailing attitude that if your sex drive isn’t in overdrive 24/7 there is something wrong with you. Pardon me, but a 70 year old man with the sex drive of a 25 year old is a disturbing perversion. I’m a naturalist. Naturally healthy is sexy at any age. A middle aged man who must fuck like a rabbit three times a day in order to feel “normal” is to be avoided. If you read my comment to Joel you’ll get the gist of where I’m coming from. I’m coming from a place of health, and health is not achieved by increasing the body burden of chemicals/hormones that are incompatible with the human body.

    It’s going to hurt like hell, but what goes up (T) must come down. See what you think of me then.

    And what is the point of all this again? Sound like you’ll be a mess.

    Here’s a reminder memo:

    1. Listen to Sara.
    2. Obey Sara.

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  114. Sara, I like you! I will take the following vow of fealty to you, because you are so cool:

    1. Listen to Sara. Check.
    2. Obey Sara. Sometimes. Especially when you tell me to do something and you’re all strict-like and dominanty.
    3. Like Sara. That’s now a given. Sorry, darling. You’ve got a fan!

    Now…saying that the self-esteem effect of testosterone is dependent on the presence of testosterone is just another way of saying that testosterone has that effect. Isn’t it? Remove testosterone from the body and its effects disappear too. Don’t they? The same is true of everything. Isn’t it? Estrogen. Remove it, its effects are gone. Restore it, its effects are back.

    Testosterone is not junk…it’s as natural as all the natural stuff you put in your body when you eat. You have some, I have some (more). When you eat to increase the level of something in your body, you are supplementing in exactly the same spirit as test supplementation. Old men supplementing with test are no more doing something blech and horrible than if they supplement with anything that declines with age. If a woman supplements with iron, isn’t that okay? If not, why not? If she lost all the iron in her body, she’d die. Wouldn’t she?

    As for my feelings during a post-T crash, I recommend to every man that he undergo the experience. Just as supplementing with T would help women understand men, undergoing the hypogonadal state of post T would help men understand women. I had a comment on 2blowhards on this very subject that was turned into a full-blown post by Michael–a great honour I can tell you. If you want to read it, I think you can find it by searching under PatrickH.

    Ahem, not that you have to, of course. It was just something I sketched out, preliminary stuff really, not a full effort at all. Not that you have to. Really…Blush.

    Still, it came from my heart. As have all my posts in this thread.

    Your fan,
    Patrick

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  115. 114 PatrickH

    Grazie, dear Patrick. I had to look up fealty and though it applies more to “lord and master” (and I’m not ashamed of my masculine side) I’ll take it to mean “loyalty to the Queen” though I fear I shall fall off the throne any minute.

    Remove testosterone from the body and its effects disappear too. Don’t they? The same is true of everything. Isn’t it? Estrogen. Remove it, its effects are gone. Restore it, its effects are back.

    I must admit to taking Royal Maca which is grown organically in Peru (as I sit here drinking sulfite infused red wine lest you think I’m in perfect compliance with my own beliefs. Perfection is so not fun.) Men can take it, women can take it, teens can take. It’s a natural hormone precursor. I use it since I was “spayed” years ago and it has proven to be quite valuable. I also take dong quai and occasionally American Ginseng; the “female” ginseng. Yes, testosterone is “natural”, but is it in the form you’re taking it? Does your liver have to deactivate/process it? Isn’t it hard on your liver? Do you have to get regular blood tests?

    I did a search on your moniker and came up empty handed. Perhaps you could repost the referred to comment. *blush*

    (Don’t you love flirting?)

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  116. on August 11, 2008 at 3:16 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Sara

    American Ginseng, or any Ginseng for the matter, is very useful in the bdsm practice of Figging.

    Properly prepared, its potency can be used for a 20 minute mindblowing flight to the sexual heavens, unlike anything that a vanilla lifestyle has prepared you for.

    And most importantly, it cannot cause harm, unless your sub has an allergy to ginseng. Which can be tested for before engaging in figging.

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  117. What the hell is figging? Wait. I’ll look it up. OmG I don’t even know what BDSM is….

    http://www.figging.com/

    It’s amazing how the religious types can be so nasty! I would decidedly NOT be into that. Give me Hagen Daz natural vanilla and you can lick it off me instead. Pain? No, no, no, no, no. You really should look up my old MySpace friend Mistress Genevieve. I posted her link. Only you’d be the receiver and that doesn’t sound like your style. Yikes.

    Gotta run, am seeing “Wanted” with some friends tonight.

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  118. pb 95

    That shit won’t work for a lot of guys. If she can’t take a dick then I’d rather fuck an average looking girl who can take it like a porn star.

    amen brother.

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  119. 107 Patrick Bateman

    Thank you, I’m listening now and just what I need to calm myself to sleep.

    So T made Western civilization possible? Am not sure how great that is? It’s pretty great in some ways. In others; not so sure actually. It’s a bit unbalanced on the scientific left brain side, and the “feminist” movement hasn’t helped in balancing it–on the contrary–as many here have pointed out, feminists are not very feminine. My own life is unbalanced without a good man, I can tell you that. In many ways it’s not working for me (any longer) to stay single.

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  120. on August 11, 2008 at 11:53 am Patrick Bateman

    Patrick Bateman’s (hey! You’re dead! Bret Easton Ellis killed you in a dock fire in 2003!)

    I heard about that. It bothered me a bit because Bateman was a great character. He should at least have been stabbed to death, rather than dying in such an ignoble manner.

    I’ll put my faith in 3,000,000 years of evolution…

    So I assume you’re pretty much a frugivore. The carnivorous fraction of human history is tiny on the scale of hominid evolution.

    So T made Western civilization possible? Am not sure how great that is? It’s pretty great in some ways. In others; not so sure actually.

    I bet you bring the people around you down with your negativity. What kind of person wins a new Mercedes and complains about the color? Western civilization clearly isn’t perfect, but it’s the best game in town. Western civilization brought you a long lifespan, and the ability to “suffer” through old age. Give me a break, what you call suffering would be a fucking luxury to our pre-civilized ancestors.

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  121. Patrick B: Clearly you tricked BEE into helping you fake your demise. Perhaps the authorities were closing in. I understand you might feel the need to get away.

    Sara: Flirting is fun, isn’t it? Much more than figging, I should think.

    Here’s the comment that Michael posted on 2Blowhards:

    It is hard being a woman, though. And I mean “just being a woman”. Being a man is an emotional piece of cake by comparison.

    How do I know this? Well, I was once a woman myself, for a short while. I took clomid (fertility drug-lots of estrogen effects) as part of a post-steroid recuperation cycle, and it put me in a very female frame of mind (quite the contrast to the effect of the ‘roids, I can tell you). I was hypersensitive to the tiniest sign of suffering in another being, was always on the edge of weeping, and was filled with a kind of wistful, formless yearning that, while not unpleasant to feel, had no object that could fulfill it.

    I also came to want to withdraw from people (for a time) and just sit and “be me”. I absolutely NEVER understood what women meant when they said that, but I do now. You just have to get away from being FOR OTHERS, something that as a man I never bothered thinking about, let alone trying. Now I know why women need to get away from that. It’s exhausting to be that wide open to other human beings…all the time!

    It’s hard being a woman. I know. I was one, for a while.

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  122. 120 Bateman

    So I assume you’re pretty much a frugivore. The carnivorous fraction of human history is tiny on the scale of hominid evolution.

    First I’m a hippie, now I’m a frugivore? Too much left brain, Peter. Give it up. I’m talking about the evolution of the human body, the superlative blood and bone machine we travel around in. My faith is in IT’s ability to continue in that capacity after 3,000,000 years of evolution. People think nothing of spending hundreds and thousands their automobiles, houses, plastic surgery, expensive dinners, travel, etc. but when it comes to tuning up their magnificent bodies, they can’t be bothered.

    I bet you bring the people around you down with your negativity. What kind of person wins a new Mercedes and complains about the color?

    A. I prefer BMW’s and plan on getting one day. I used to drive a 2002. I love things and stuff of all kinds.

    Don’t get me wrong. I just said the balance is out of whack. It’s one of the things the men complain about here. Women are not women or rather not feminine. Many have lost their femininity in an effort to be “equal” and have become pseudo men instead, adding to the imbalance, and defeating feminine causes; one of which is not have their children become soldiers.

    B. I rarely bring people down around me. Quite the contrary. I don’t follow politics, vote, watch the news,listen to public radio or other liberal bullshit, am happy most of the time.

    Western civilization clearly isn’t perfect, but it’s the best game in town.</i?

    I’m all for improving what you call “the best game in town”. I think a balance of East and West would be closer to the balance that would ensure our survival and prosperity even more. East could use more of our materialism and West could use more of the Eastern spirituality.

    Western civilization brought you a long lifespan, and the ability to “suffer” through old age. Give me a break, what you call suffering would be a fucking luxury to our pre-civilized ancestors.

    I looked up the top killers in America.

    #1) Cardiovascular Disease
    #2) Cancer
    #3) Infections U.S. Deaths from infection rose 56% between 1980 and 1992, making it the third largest killer of Americans. Your best defense against infection is a tip-top immune system. Drugs often suppress and weaken the immune system…..
    #4) Adult Onset Diabetes.

    Personally, I don’t this a huge plus. We can do much better than this. These diseases are a direct RESULT of “Western Civilization”. Doing away with Western Civilization is not the answer. It’s developing a higher intelligence. One that involves heart and brain, not just brain.

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  123. 121 PatrickH

    Comment from Michael: It’s hard being a woman. I know. I was one, for a while.

    That is amazing. I have to say that sometimes from a woman’s point of view, being a man is a piece of cake. I was so devastated emotionally from my last break up, and I knew if he was feeling even a fraction of my pain he could not stay away from me. I prayed he would care enough to just return one of my phone calls and instead he “toughed it out” turned his heart to stone basically and in a month was banging another woman. Sure, he’s in another stupid, failing “relationship”. It gives me solace to see that he just makes the same mistake over and over and always, always misses me and wants me back, but never again. I can’t go through it again.

    Even though we suffer more emotionally (maybe?) we also live longer and commit suicide far less often than men. Somehow we are more balanced because of the double XX chromosomes they say. Still, I have compassion for men when I see how society makes them suppress their emotions (speaking of Western Civilization, Peter B.) to the detriment of their health and relationships. I loved in the Dark Knight when Batman cried! Yes, he cried (over a woman no less), he was openly vulnerable, and he was strong at the same time.

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  124. link from comment 122

    http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/education/whysupplement/statis.html

    It’s admittedly dated, but makes the point.

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  125. on August 11, 2008 at 4:24 pm Patrick Bateman

    Too much left brain..

    You lack the ability to understand written sarcasm.
    It will interest you to know that all those tests of brain laterality pin me as being very well balanced. You can’t know everything about a person from a 4 factor personality test. You clearly do not derive correct conclusions from what those tests tell you about other people.

    I’m talking about the evolution of the human body, the superlative blood and bone machine we travel around in. My faith is in IT’s ability to continue in that capacity after 3,000,000 years of evolution.

    Stop thinking about evolution as intelligent design and start thinking of it as natural selection on randomly developed characteristics. A flaw may persist in a species if the same gene that codes for it also codes for a feature that is advantageous. Those flaws are killing us now.

    People think nothing of spending hundreds and thousands their automobiles, houses, plastic surgery, expensive dinners, travel, etc. but when it comes to tuning up their magnificent bodies, they can’t be bothered.

    I agree. When someone is pumping their body full of steroids but refuses to eat and exercise right, I think they’re a douche. I’m just pointing out that we will never reach the point where humans are living 200 years with just proper diet and exercise. We’re going to have to start replacing/repairing organs, taking synthetic hormones and peptides, etc.

    I think a balance of East and West would be closer to the balance that would ensure our survival and prosperity even more. East could use more of our materialism and West could use more of the Eastern spirituality.

    I agree with incorporating more aspects of Eastern cultures into the West, but spirituality is not one of those aspects. Though perhaps it would benefit the average Westerner more than Abrahamic religions do.

    Personally, I don’t this a huge plus. We can do much better than this. These diseases are a direct RESULT of “Western Civilization”. Doing away with Western Civilization is not the answer. It’s developing a higher intelligence. One that involves heart and brain, not just brain.

    It’s certainly a huge plus compared to living in the stone age. We’re eating ourselves to death, it’s not beyond our control. People are choosing to live fat and die “young” rather than live unsatisfied and die old. It’s funny to think about this way, but it’s true. People know those hamburgers are killing them, but they’re willing to trade 10 years of their life for endless big macs. Carcinogen exposure is increasing the rate of cancer death, but our longer lifespans are also to blame. Cancer never had a chance to kill our ancestors. Now medical science often fucks up, but on the whole, it is increasing the length and quality of human life.

    Don’t worry, be happy. Possibly my favorite song of the 20th century.

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  126. 125 Patrick B.

    We’re going to have to start replacing/repairing organs, taking synthetic hormones and peptides, etc.

    I agree and strongly disagree. I agree with the concept of repairing organs but disagree on your method of achieving that.

    For one, we can’t individually stop the introduction of thousands of old and new toxic chemicals entering our environment or our bodies on a daily basis. We can only deal with our own bodies and if more do that in a sane and effective way, the world will be moving in the right direction. I’m a true believe that everything stems from individual. I am not a group oriented/activist type of person.

    Replacing diseased organs only to be re-poisoned with synthetic anything is not the answer. It’s more band aid thinking. When you “fix” one problem, one or more will just pop up in it’s place. I’ve already posted some links (which naturally 99.9% here have ignored or derided) which remove the causes of disease. The causes we all know but are too dumb and hypnotized by the promise of a quick fix somewhere in a future utopia, to deal with here and now. Is medical science smarter than 3,000,000 years of evolution? I think not. It’s just more of the “conquering nature” idiocy. We cannot conquer nature! Some things we need to submit to. Some things are above and beyond us. Some things we would be much smarter to not conquer. Okay? This is a woman talking here.

    And health has less to do with simply exercise and eat right and don’t overeat. We still have to breathe and the air is full of poison. Check out the links I posted and there’s more where that came from. REAL cures that remove the causes of disease. Maybe I should just give up as I’m getting boringly repetitious and I think only Chic Noir gets the whole detox, cleansing thing. Most here are looking for a quick fix that never comes, and I say dream on. In the meantime I’m feeling damn good and the thought of needing a drug or surgery of any kind does not occur to me.

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  127. Patrick B.

    carcinogen exposure is increasing the rate of cancer death, but our longer lifespans are also to blame. Cancer never had a chance to kill our ancestors.

    On childhood cancer incidence and mortality.

    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=85702

    “In 1990, there were 2,457 childhood cancer deaths, compared with 2,223 in 2004, notes the CDC.

    Childhood cancer isn’t rarer than it used to be. Cases of childhood cancer rose by less than 1% per year from 1990 to 2004.”

    It’s great that kids are dying less from cancer but pathetic that more, not less, kids and parents are having to suffer through it; physically, emotionally, financially. This is not progress. Not really, not much.

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  128. on August 11, 2008 at 5:17 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    Kids got cancer back in the day too. Your data seems to indicate that the incidence and mortality rate of childhood cancer have decreased over that period.

    Learn how to understand hyperbole.

    Is medical science smarter than 3,000,000 years of evolution? I think not.

    Depends on your perspective. We can’t do in 10 years what evolution does in 3 million, but we can do a lot more in 3 million than evolution could ever do in that time.

    We cannot conquer nature!

    You’re probably right if nature is understood to include all of this universe and other universes if they exist. You’re dead wrong if you define nature as the planet and our genome.

    I think only Chic Noir gets the whole detox

    I get detox. Most people either ignore it or treat it like a panacea.

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  129. 128 Patrick

    Cases of childhood cancer ROSE by less than 1% per year from 1990 to 2004.

    A rise is an increase (so what if it’s less of an increase?) unless I really am stupid. Regardless, you’re not getting my point, speaking of staying on topic. LOL

    I don’t get what you mean by “conquering” our genetic structure. You mean manipulate it entirely for our own purposes? You seem to believe in “forcing” nature to comply with our wishes. You seem to believe in our ability to make things go away by force of will.

    It’s an attraction based universe. The universe knows only “yes”, saying “no” to something draws that energy towards you though it may be a different manifestation; still the same type of result. It’s like a person who has an intense fear of accidents and has them frequently. My mother is a good example of that. Or someone who just knows their going to get the latest flu/cold whatever is going around. I’ve had the flu once in the last 20 years.

    With the number of medications, vaccinations and surgeries that have been created over the last how many years, you’d think we’d all be lovely pictures of glowing health. But “Health Care” is really “Sickness Care”. Speaking of which, I have no “health” care insurance. It doesn’t mean I never go to a doctor, but to pay $150/$200 per month is ridiculous as often as I’d use it.

    You’re dead wrong if you define nature as the planet and our genome.

    You’re going to conquer the planet? Sure, you are….or science rather. Keep trying and failing, but eventually people need to make different mistakes. Apparently you don’t believe in a power greater than yourself. (I agree and disagree.) So far the conquering is not going so hot, but one thing I disagree on is the liberal hysterical belief that we need to “save” the earth. Nature prevails, a higher intelligence prevails. In theory it’s possible to destroy the earth, but only in theory.

    Don’t worry, be happy.

    Detoxing is not a panacea, just really smart and getting smarter all the time.

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  130. on August 12, 2008 at 12:13 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    How much did the population of children increase in that same period? If the percentage increase in children is greater than the percentage increase in childhood cancers than the rate has gone down. You can’t compare California to Detroit and say California is worse because it has more cases of childhood cancer. Cases per capita are what matter.

    I don’t get what you mean by “conquering” our genetic structure. You mean manipulate it entirely for our own purposes? You seem to believe in “forcing” nature to comply with our wishes. You seem to believe in our ability to make things go away by force of will.

    Our genes are a code that we have not fully deciphered yet. We have the ability to decipher it and we eventually will. If we also have the ability to write our own codes at that time then we will have fully conquered it. The laws of nature will still dictate what we can make the code do.

    Apparently you don’t believe in a power greater than yourself.

    This one really stinks, you must have pulled it out of your ass. I believe we have the abiliity to be much more powerful than we are. How does that imply that I don’t believe in a power greater than myself?

    Nature prevails, a higher intelligence prevails. In theory it’s possible to destroy the earth, but only in theory.

    Everything I’ve been writing is fully within the laws of nature. I’m pretty sure we could destroy the earth in practice too. Concentrate a large nuclear explosion on one side of the moon and send it crashing towards earth. Not the greatest idea, but it proves our ability to destroy the earth is real and not just theory.

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  131. on August 12, 2008 at 5:44 pm thehabitualcohabiter

    I say Beta.

    He looks like the dad from family ties with a wig on…

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  132. on August 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm Sara is recovering

    130 Patrick

    Everything I’ve been writing is fully within the laws of nature. I’m pretty sure we could destroy the earth in practice too. Concentrate a large nuclear explosion on one side of the moon and send it crashing towards earth. Not the greatest idea, but it proves our ability to destroy the earth is real and not just theory.

    Well this statement just proves to my inferior intelligence that you decidedly do NOT believe in powers or A power greater than yourself. There are a millions of little or big unplanned for events that would keep this from happening.

    Your belief in our ability to destroy the earth is only possible if you remove the reality of a more benevolent power greater than destructive human intentions.

    We have a long way to go before we can actually use the amazing technological advances of the last how many years responsibly for the good of all.

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  133. on August 13, 2008 at 6:09 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    For someone who accuses others of being left-brained, you sure have a tendency to think in binary terms, though your logic is flawed and you only use it when it supports your case.

    I cannot destroy the earth. There are powers capable of destroying the earth and I do not deny their existence. Therefore, I believe in powers greater than myself.

    We could destroy the earth. I did not say that we would destroy it. Your “argument” crumbles.

    Do you believe that I can eat a banana today? Yes. Your belief that I can eat a banana is only possible if you remove the reality that I do not want to eat a banana today. This just proves that you do not believe in a higher power.

    See how absurd your “reasoning” is? Of course I can eat a banana today, the fact that I don’t want one should not change your belief about my ability to actually do it. Unlikely events are not impossible events.

    Fuck. Now I want to eat a banana.

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  134. on August 13, 2008 at 6:47 pm Sara is recovering

    133 Patrick

    I think we agree, yet disagree.

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  135. Shouting Thomas: “I went through the same thing. Sure, it was great bagging all that pussy when I was young and living in San Francisco. Hell, I didn’t consider it a good day unless I fucked at least two women.”

    (among his other “look how big my net cock is!” delusional brags)

    A man in his late 50s who is saying the above and still “claims to get pussy all the time” is telling someone ELSE to smarten up and to grow up.

    Absolutely priceless.

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