Alpha Assessment Monday: Late Night Coffee Edition

Time for another round of alpha assessment, where readers send in their examples of game they’ve run and hope to be judged worthy of alphatude.

Case #1

Submitted by bills217:

This chick is my next door neighbor – I met her and got her number, but she will not text me back, no matter what I do (I hate talking on the phone so I never call). I am thinking she is hesitant because she is my neighbor, even though we never see each other at the complex and I haven’t had any in-person contact with her except for the one time we met and exchanged numbers.

Me: Call it a hunch but I’m feeling lucky today – I feel like you are going to respond to this text.

Her: I gotta hand it to you – you don’t give up.

Me: (obvious sarcasm) yeah well there are so few attractive girls in atlanta i didnt think i could afford to let you get away, which has been surprisingly difficult considering you live next door. lets grab coffee tonight.

Her: do you still want to grab coffee if i have a boyfriend?

(above really smells like a shit test to me since she didn’t say anything about it when I got her number or as a reply to any of my texts)

Me: do you still want to grab coffee if I have a girlfriend?

Her: is she also one of the few attractive girls in atlanta?

Me: I had to look far and wide but I was able to find a few. Anyway, since you are so generally difficult I am taking that as a yes to coffee. I have plans at 8, I’ll knock on your door at 6.

Her: I won’t be home from work by then…guess you will have to get lucky some other day.

Me: Working past 6 on a friday? that is rough. You should get a better job. I am a pretty lucky guy so I think there will be another day soon.

This is a great example of a man “overgaming”. Overgaming is basically try-hard game, where every thrust by the woman is met with an overcompensatory parry by the man. Overgaming happens when two conditions are met: one, the man has recently jettisoned his beta baggage and is eager to lay the cocky/funny smackdown, and two, the man is emotionally invested in the outcome with the woman. Overgaming can often be worse than executing zero game, because women don’t really want to see you trying hard to impress them. A man with zero game sometimes gets the girl by sheer dint of ignorance; an empty mind is a mind in the moment.

A few points: gaming neighbors is tough because you sacrifice intrigue and unpredictability by the fact of you living next to her. In college, the girls who live in big co-ed group homes rarely hook up with their male roommates. They usually prefer to harvest cock from mysterious far away lands, like the dorm building down the block.

A man should never “feel lucky”. Your mindset should be that she is lucky to be even hearing from you.

Your texts are too long and obvious attempts at being witty. Pussy prefers pith. Thoughtful texts interspersed with Sundance Film Festival caliber dry humor is best left to her funny, smiling on the outside but hurting on the inside, horny hard-up orbiter male friends.

Sarcasm in texts doesn’t always translate. She might have really thought you couldn’t afford to let her get away, and judged by your performance so far, she would’ve been right. Sarcasm is best done face to face, after some initial attraction has been established. Otherwise you risk coming across petulant, peevish, and insecure. Sarcasm sits nearly as badly on men as it does on women.

Coffee at night? What happened to alcohol? You want to loosen her up, not rev her up. Last thing you need is a mentally alert broad overanalyzing everything you say to see if you meet her 462 bullet point checklist.

You failed the boyfriend shit test. If I were a girl I would think I had stung you. A better answer requires reframing: “Only if he pays.”

The problem with surrendering to a girl’s frame is illustrated nicely by her response to your “if i have a girlfriend” snarky reply. She was able to turn your words against you with a clever riposte: “is she also one of the few attractive girls in atlanta?”

Don’t call a girl who is being difficult “difficult”. You don’t want to draw attention to the fact that she is not interested in you enough to not make it difficult for you. Try to maintain a positive frame. If you study the Tomes of the Asshole Ancients you may be surprised to find that most assholes are rarely negative in their assholery. It’s a subtle art, but effective asshole game is not humorlessly critical of the girl. Clit Crit is the domain of the spurned greater beta or lesser alpha. Assholes may be abrasive, but they are not downers. (Note: If you *are* going to call a girl difficult, don’t sabotage your gutsy play by then rewarding her difficulty with the offer of a coffee date.)

Normally, taking the lead when arranging dates is a good thing, but you can’t lead a woman who isn’t sufficiently intrigued to want to be led. This is why your texts to meet at such and such a time sound controlling instead of authoritative.

Your last text reply is too long. Men who are losing control of the interaction will try a salvage operation by throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the girl. That may work for Lloyd Dobler, but it doesn’t work for most guys in the real world. I wouldn’t have even bothered responding to her last text. And why are you informing her, yet again, that you are a “lucky guy”? Remember the Rule of Value Demonstration: you build value by verbalizing an insignificant “problem” of low value, and by nonverbally demonstrating an actual trait of high value. A truly lucky guy doesn’t tell a girl he is lucky. He lets his luck speak for itself.

Relatedly, if you are going to verbalize your higher value, you need to be way more subtle than you are. When Mystery drops DHVs about the hot strippers he dates, it’s usually tucked within the confines of a larger story.

I give this text exchange a D grade. You understand enough to avoid the worst beta mistakes, but your insecurity stepping into a stronger role you are ill-prepared for shows here. Practice a few weeks of texting girls using nothing but One Word Game. Better yet, skip texting altogether and get them home the same day you meet them.

Case #2

Submitted by Grapedrink:

Here’s a lil’ background. I’m 18 and grad. last year,she’s 17 and is still in school.Light flirting during class led to her sending naked pics and playing hard to get over the summer.Haven’t seen her in several months and haven’t talked to her in a few months…This is what we texted to each other today

After a few mins of catching up….
Me : I gotta question for you
Her : what’s that?
Me : When you gon let me tap that?
Her: ahaha yuh so funny
Me : dead ass
Her : why yuh wanna sex meh?
Me : cuz we both know we want it
Her : who said we wanted it
Me : ur body language
Her : ahaha
Me : See? the signs are all there!
Her : Chile Boo!
Me : it’s cool,i know what your going thru right now
Her : Whats that?
Me : U feel honored,shy and horny
Her : not really
Me : ur right,your not shy. But 2 outta 3 is good enuff for me!
Her : ahahah
Me : ur too old to be playing hard to get sweetie
Her : yuh right & and who said I was playing hard to get
Me : Me. your beatin around the bush,and it needs to be the other way around if you know what I mean
Her : is that right?
Me : Realest shit I ever said
Her : sooo whats up then?
Me : ima come pick you up tonight at 9

There’s a few more texts of her saying how she’s going outta town tonight and Im basically getting a rain check…

So what do yall think?

I have nothing to add to this. It’s almost perfect except for the number of texts exchanged, and the bad syntax (but that’s acceptable since you’re just out of high school and she’s even worse). Shorten it up, cut back on the chatter, and you’ve got yourself a foothold. Ignore her for a while, I think she’ll respond without any additional prompting from you. If not, try contacting her in a couple of weeks to hang out.

Grade: A. This is impressive game for an 18 year old. I see bright future of womanizing and juvie detention centers for you.

Case #3

Submitted by tosh:

Ok then, your honesty has inspired me to share a story of my own as I’m keen to learn something from this recent experience… happy for you to tear this to shreds! should mention I’m a newbie to the site…

I dated a great girl since beginning of the year – she was incredibly sexy, smart, and funny – and everything was rocking along nicely. Without boring you with the mechanics of the relationship I broke up with her about 2 months ago after failing a major shit test (jealousy & insecurity related) & she’d started to become emotionally distant. Should repeat “I” broke up with her.

After that I cut off contact, until she chased & chased then we eventually hooked up again about 4 weeks ago. After 2 weeks of solid pounding not dissimilar to that when our relationship was at its best, out of no where she suddenly flaked on me over the weekend.

Again, not wanting to put myself in the place of beta chasing… when she called next time to say she wanted to see me, I was aloof but agreed to catch up, then cancelled on her a few hrs before I was spose to see her. When she called & texted again wanting to see me, I didn’t respond until after the proposed date with a simple text “hey def wanted to see you but something came up & didn’t have phone on me. Talk soon.”

A weeks now past… no contact either way. I’m thinking about her a lot & I’d definitely like to get back together with her but not sure how to go forward. Any thoughts?

First, glad to see you put into action my advice for winning back an ex-girlfriend (what is known colloquially as “tingle rekindle”). You preemptively breaking up with her when you saw the writing on the wall was a heads-up move that afforded you a couple extra weeks of glorious piledriving. Give yourself a pat on the back.

Unfortunately, you overplayed your hand. Keep in mind that a calculatingly reignited relationship rests on shaky ground to begin with, so any false move could be the excuse she needs to finally let go in full. Playing hard to get is great as a pickup strategy, but it can quickly backfire on girls with whom you share a sexual history. You blew her off twice when you didn’t need to, and you did so in an obvious way. The trap of try-hard works in both directions  – when you feel a need to impress and when you feel a need to unimpress. Take another stab at her but don’t expect much.

Grade: C+

Case #4

Submitted by young bachelor gig:

carnival was getting close, and all the guys were teasing the one among all who had a girlfriend. whenever the subjects of girls/booze appeared, guys would remark ” don’t talk about that near XXX, he has girlfriend”

then on the week before carnival, one of the guys said he couldn’t go, family matters. so our friend XXX had the perfect opportunity, there was a place in the car, in the hotel and even the parties’ tickets. the only problem was his girlfriend.

so he sends her a bouquet of flowers, anonymously. coincidentally, he arrives at her home soon after she received the flowers. facing such a filthy whore, who receives flowers from unknown people, he finished the relationship

then he decided to get back from carnival early, arriving back home on tuesday night. then he calls his devastated ex-girlfriend on ashes’ wednesday night, around 2 or 3 AM, and tells her that he couldn’t stop thinking about her, that he spent the whole carnival thinking about both of them together, and she comes to his home.

they are still together. it happened last february.

Grade: A+ for Asshole+. I loved this story. An emotionally charged powerhouse. No reason to include it in this post, except for the fact that it shows just how devastatingly effective game bereft of any moral or ethical consideration can be. And you just know she loves the shit out of him.





Comments


  1. the 18 year old is well on his way.

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  2. The force is strong with that one. Keep it shorter though. The longer you talk, the more likely you are to make a mistake.

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  3. I am going to post a lot of cute romantic shit on your blog now, Roissy. Because I believe it works too. And I it warms the heart. Love does not have to be solely the product of a cold calculated pussy chase game.

    So here is the first one

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  4. on December 7, 2009 at 10:06 am unlearning genius

    18 yr old wins hands down …. a natural

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  5. @ Greg

    Hilariously enough, the whole video is an illustration of the type of stuff Roissy talks about. The dude tried to be ‘cute and romantic’ and all his (smart) girl friends whittled it down to two sentences without pledging his undying love or quoting Shakespeare.

    So nice share.

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  6. A note to guys on what in the world I mean:

    No one bats 1000 when chasing women. So if you’re going to do it, have fun with it and your results will actually skyrocket. When you meet women, let your goal be to show your awesome personality, and then let her get on the same page. If she doesn’t, at least you are confident she respects you for your balls and your personality. And her loss. If she does, she puts in some of the work, and you can make something happen … together.

    So when you meet a woman, let the focus be on showing yourself and your personality in a good light, and light the fire. (That might mean you don’t approach in 100% of situations.)

    Finally, this means you don’t approach 100% of the women you want, so observe this principle:

    The easier it is for you to meet the kind of people you like, the easier it is to attract them. Craft your lifestyle and your calendar accordingly!

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  7. gaming neighbors is tough because you sacrifice intrigue and unpredictability by the fact of you living next to her.

    Familiarity is the bane of social circle game. Therefore you must demonstrate value by flirting with other girls in your circle.

    Too bad that won’t work for a neighbour.

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  8. I dont know guys. I think Neighbor game is as easy as cake. If she is even remotely intrigued by you its like shooting fish in a barrel. The mere fact that their is a readily available tool within shouting distance will drive them up the wall. You are the Pandora in Pandora’s box. I think the key here is not to look to hard for the quick close. But dont wait too long either. I wouldnt even exchange numbers initially. Just let her know what number you are in and get hers if it is an apartment building. I lived in three different places in three years when I was in the Bay area. And in each place they came to my door first. One with a six pack of beer and a lasagna, the other used to shower with her window curtain open while getting busy with the shower head and the last had some lame home repair request. If you play it right they will be problem free fuck buddies.

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  9. Chile Boo!

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  10. Wow,guys thanks!
    I applied some techniques I learned from this blog(straight forwardness,acting like im better than her,not texting back right away,my texts’ being on a jumbotron) and applied it to that bird.

    But nothing did ever happen between her and I,besides her giving me more rain checks and bad excuses.

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  11. Wow that last guy is my hero. Sounds exactly like something I would do. What a fucking CHAMP.

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  12. Off topic.

    Quote from the first of Tiger’s mistresses:

    “She was very into him – much more than other famous guys she was into. ”

    That just makes me laugh.

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  13. im almost 100% sure the 18-year old posted the same text conversation on 2p2 forums in BBV4L.

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  14. @Steve Johnson

    Tiger Woods has what we call “Billionaire Game”. All you have to do is be a billionaire and wait….

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  15. Okay I’m really bad at text/followup game until I set up the date. I’m good thereafter. Why don’t I get advice this time and see if it works any better.

    Out with one of my boys on Friday night. Met a girl with her two friends, we were all pretty drunk. She and her friend approached me initially, and we both wound up hanging with the girls for an hour or two. It was a tough situation because there was an odd girl out who was bored, she seemed into me so I should’ve tried to play the two off each other, but my game isn’t tight enough for that, especially drunk, so I mostly flirted with the one and only flirted with the other one a bit.

    Anyway we made out a few times but she wouldn’t come home with me. But she definitely said she wanted a date so despite her being drunk I felt like I was in pretty good shape.

    Texted her next afternoon with something intended just to engage contact: “OK you’re right, Johnny Cash’s wife cowrote Ring of Fire. But Johnny added the horns” We had had a faux bet going about Ring of Fire at the end of the night. Not a great text I guess, and no response.

    Next move? My instinct is to text her today with “What are you up to tonight?”, or maybe call. I could also invite her to a party I’m throwing at my place on Friday but would rather try to set up a date.

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  16. “im almost 100% sure the 18-year old posted the same text conversation on 2p2 forums in BBV4L.”

    The “so when you gonna let me tap that” line,is a line/idea I got from a forum Im a member of,where the topic is to ask a girl that and see what the results are. Everything else from that point on is from me.

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  17. Last guy is a tit.

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  18. “Last thing you need is a mentally alert broad overanalyzing everything you say “………………………

    I’ve often wondered about this. Is this feminine intuition at work? Do they really sense real stuff going on in our minds or are they just paranoid? Or both?

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  19. Grapedrink, are you talking about the misc?

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  20. the 18 year old has it.

    but his exchange shows the problem with Text Game. it is so impersonal and involves so much distance that it can be difficult to convert that first-time lay. the girl is content knowing that she can get you, and she’s not going to show up at your place or let you come over unless the stars line up perfectly.

    i mean, it can happen, but its more difficult than if you’re gaming her at a bar or a house party (and this is assuming a SNL is the goal). unlike being on a date, at the club, or at a party where standing in front of a woman is the frame she’s currently in, texting is done within other frames. there are other things going on that the male texter isn’t a part of that get in the way of any conversion.

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  21. My advice for both men and women is to keep e-game to a minimum. Scale WAY back on the texts or net chatting. e-communication has ruined more good relationships than improved them. You just cannot communicate well through electronic media. Use e-communication ONLY for setting up real life meetings. All the rest should be saved for when you have eye contact.

    Phone calls are ok. But try to keep them relatively short as well.

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  22. Stunts like the anonymous flowers can work, but they can also backfire. If the woman *knows* she’s innocent of any wrongdoing, and the relationship has so far been solid, she might just see the man’s behaviour as too unprovoked to be forgiveable. Besides, if the man has not been in the habit of making jealous scenes (and do alphas make jealous scenes? I thought they weren’t supposed to), then his reaction to the flowers might seem so out of character that it would awaken her suspicions. Leaving out the ethical question, just for now, I don’t think anyone should try this if he isn’t an extremely good actor. Having to act a lie, esp. a dramatic one, is more of a challenge than simply telling a lie.

    p.s. Women’s intuition isn’t magic. It relies on the ability to read non-verbal cues. The reason why it doesn’t work as well today as it once did is that all kinds of “shoulds” inculcated by feminism and political correctness get in the way: “I shouldn’t be suspicious”; “I should give my boyfriend the same trust I expect”; “I have to show him I’m a strong, confident woman”, etc. At least, that was my own experience, until I decided that my intuitions were a more reliable guide to men than my superego.

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  23. The New York Daily News reports that porn star Holly Sampson is the seventh woman connected to Tiger Woods’ expanding sex scandal. The Daily Mail also referenced Sampson over the weekend.

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  24. Chuck, wait a minute.

    If the female knows she can get you, then she will consider it an option.

    If you don’t appear interested in the female, she will move on to someone with whom some good times can develop.

    If you don’t show interest, and she is attractive, someone else will. Either way, the more attractive person wins. The end. 🙂

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  25. Case #1
    Nice job, getting your neighbor’s phone number. Seeing as how you already have her actual street address.

    You need to run some “tiger woods game” – then that pussy’s all yours.

    Case #2
    Going to thug txt – after getting naked pics from a skanky 17 year old dipshit is regressive.

    Stop listening to Crunkcore. Back away from the brokencyde vids.

    Case #3
    “tosh” is a fag name. I feel gay just typing it. Fail.

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  26. Last guy better have dumped her already, because now that story is all over the internet, it will certainly get back to her eventually.

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  27. on December 7, 2009 at 1:18 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Case #1: Regarding “luck”

    Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. Women for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind. While a Man must never be anything less than upfront and resolute, women are rewarded and reinforced for being elusive. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s this elusiveness that makes her more desirable. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable.

    Women are every bit as subject to being as mundane as men are, but the difference is that men don’t enjoy a masculine mystique. We don’t generally cultivate this sense of mystery because we’re not rewarded for it as women are – and honestly, we haven’t needed to. For a woman, if she can cultivate this mystique, her attentions become a reward in and of themselves for the guy who is lucky enough to tame her.

    How many times have you been asked by a friend, “so, did ya get lucky with Kristy last night?” We don’t think much of this passing question, but it’s framed in such a way that men will self-perpetuate the myth of this mystique. It’s not luck that gets you laid. I understand that circumstance and being the right guy at the right time most certainly plays a part, however, if we feel as though we got lucky, we won the lottery, or walked away with the PRIZE, it doesn’t help us to understand what it is we did correctly in a given instance. Not only that it perpetuates women as the prize-givers. You were lucky to have gotten sex with her so it must be something rare and valuable indeed.

    Because of this, most men aren’t prompted to question the process or the motives involved in intergender relations; they’re just happy to have had the experience. When mixed with sexual deprivation, the luck element makes the sex that much more absorbing. It’s this luck association for men, fostered by women, that leads to a scarcity mentality and often ONEitis in men. It serves a feminine imperative if men willingly adopt the luck mindset with regards to sexual intimacy. Sexuality is a woman’s first, best agency and any social mechanism that contributes to the value of it will always be encouraged.

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  28. Case #1:

    Getting your neighbor’s number is just dumb. You need to exude energy, knock on her door and pull her out to an impromptu date. Everything else reeks of beta, no wonder she would not answer your texts.

    Case #2:

    “When you gonna let me tap dat” is an internet meme. He played it ok, but Roissy is wrong, a 17yo girl would either (a) have been stalking him if she was interested or (b) would never initiate contact on her own. Young girls lack self-confidence and never initiate, as anyone with experience can tell you.

    Case #3:

    He overplayed his hand. No self-respecting girl would go out with that idiot permanently. Do not expect more than a few more lays out of that girl.

    Case #4:

    The guy is a moron. I’m guessing he’s from the UK — there is a culture there that guys are supposed to get permission from their girlfriends for all male outings. That’s preposterous. Then he acts like a drama queen just to get a free multi-day pass. He’s a tool. As for the woman, she would not feel bad unless she’d been whoring around on her own and thought she was genuinely caught. So, congrats to the tool for getting a 3-day permission slip from the whore.

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  29. as a woman, i love meeting male neighbors…that i’m attracted to. But the creepy factor escalates a lot quicker for a neighbor than someone else. A couple aggressive texts and you will be avoided like the plague.

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  30. Other than asking if he could “tap that”, the 18 yo has good game. Not that I think it would have been hard to fuck her since she’s already been sending him naked pics.

    Which I don’t believe that’s true. So here’s another internet meme:

    pics or it didnt happen

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  31. on December 7, 2009 at 2:05 pm personal trainer

    nice

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  32. kam

    as a woman, i love meeting male neighbors…that i’m attracted to.

    This is key: girls are always judging a man on his level of attractiveness.

    So, bills217 – if you’re still out there – make sure she sees your new BMW instead of the old Mercedes

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  33. Look at her face!
    _____________
    Tiger’s Mother-in-Law Has Landed

    http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/07/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-barbro-holmberg-mother-in-law/

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  34. According to the TheDailyBeast.com, Tiger Woods’ wife Elin Nordegren is set to collect a cool $80 million but she will need to stay with Woods another seven years and at least appear to be “a dutiful wife in showing up with him at social events and in public as if they were still the perfect couple, and sign a nondisclosure form that will prevent her from ever telling her story.”

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  35. haha – I bet she’s the typical Swedish feminazi socialist who applauded her daughter’s choice to put a little cream in the coffee.

    This douchebag troika fucking deserve each other.

    This is gonna be great. Delectable.

    neway, back to the topic:

    I think gig is mean

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  36. One thing about the 18-year-old: isn’t he in danger of raising her anti-slut defenses? Or is this not a problem when they are that young, or after naked pictures have gone around. I just figured maybe he was pushing it too far in one texting session.

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  37. Kataphraktos –

    There’s girls my age who even though they send you pictures and talk a lot of game,when it comes down to it they’re not about shit.

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  38. A lot of players fail because of this assumption:

    hot chicks know they are hot

    and thus you have to do all this work to be different etc.

    How about you drop this assumption. She is just a girl you are interested in. You have nothing to prove. Make her FEEL and SHOW your personality to her 🙂

    VIBE

    whoo

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  39. How to add that special something to your alpha wardrobe:

    http://domsofhollywood.com/

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  40. Wow, so much texting. You’d cut a lot of BS by just making it happen.

    You don’t need the neighbor’s number. They’re right there.

    Also, chile boo!

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  41. Great write-up.

    I always have trouble with remembering “Less Is More” when it came to texting, because I swooped a girl strictly via texting a few summers ago.

    This ingrained in me that texting can be a valid part of seduction, and I haven’t been able to shake that mindset.

    Off-Topic: Roissy, have you changed your mind on Tiger’s Alphaness?

    We’re at 10 girls that have come foward now. And with quotes like this, the dude’s sounding Alpha to me!

    ——————————————-
    But Mindy’s confession to sex in the marital home while pregnant Elin was away is the star’s most shocking betrayal yet. Mindy told us: “All Tiger cared about was getting me into bed. “He had an urge and I satisfied it. There was very little emotion from his side although I fell for him.

    “He has a very strong sex drive and knows his way around the bedroom. On a scale of ten I would give him 12.”

    He was not one to express his feelings to me. I was there for sex.” Despite being the first billionaire sporstman, Woods was not generous to Mindy. She said: “He did not buy me anything, not even a meal.”

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  42. Arrakis,

    Many white men may not admit it.. but reality is what it is.

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  43. I’ll side-step the race bait.

    It just came out that Tiger that never used condoms with any of his flings.

    Fuck alpha. This guy is Biracial Roissy.

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  44. Roissy:

    Isnt madcap happy wit far less beta than self-deprecating, or bitterly mordant wit? Sometimes its unclear what you mean by sarcasm, the popular use seemingly being broader than what’s in the dictionary.

    “Youre too old to be playing hard to get”, said to a 17-year old girl, seems alpha and madcap to me, free of bitterness or sting. Its just funny, and cheerfully free of any grain of truth or reality, or subtle pointedness.

    I agree with you that mordant wit is beta, except when used rarely. Indeed, weakness and pain are a major cause of developing this kind of wit. It is found perfectly cheerful by fellow sufferers, but it is depressing to fortunate people.

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  45. I also agree of course that you are playing easy to get, low value, if you pour on too much of any kind of wit too fast. Though this is probably neutralized to some extent if you can make it seem really, really effortless (which was an ideal in old european royal courts, still prominent in French culture).

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  46. And also seem like you yourself dont find your own witticisms very funny, that is important

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  47. I had an attractive neighbor once… first time I met her the it went something like this:

    She was sitting outside with her roomies drinking and smoking. I walked by to go to my car and without stopping I looked at them with a cocky grin and said “classy”. It was 3pm on a Tuesday afternoon lol. To be honest at the time I wasn’t even trying to game any of them… but sure enough I was invited over every time they drank… and for the year that I lived there I drank for free whenever I wanted. Finally 6 months into living there one of the girls and I find ourselves alone… We made out and then went to her bedroom. I wasn’t really feeling it so I let her give me a blow job and I left. *chuckle

    Game is about a state of mind; your personality. If you treat every situation indifferently you will find yourself with a multitude of pink that you didn’t even have to try for.

    While I’m on here I might as well apply for the alpha male test LOL

    Met this chick walking on campus… made a mini date out of it… we made out and she started grabbin my junk and then flung her my business card and peaced for class… She texted me saying I was gay.. and here’s how the convo went:

    her: hahaha YOUR SO GAY!!! hahaha

    me: you’ll never get this gypsy lalalalala!

    her: HAHAHA just because i’m never in the same place doesn’t make me a a GYPSY!!! fool I’ll kill you!

    me: not before I take your tears! GYPSY!!!

    her: U r GAY your GAY and the whole gypsy thing is the most GAY!!!

    me: all i hear is ‘hi i’m nicky and I want barry’s nuts but he won’t let me have them’ LOL

    her: I’m not gonna lie that made me laugh BUT that just proves my point you won’t let me have them CAUSE YOUR GAGGING YOUR BOYFRIEND WITH THEM!!!

    me: I rest my case.

    her: ewww gross…. barry I don’t think we can have or radical chats anymore!

    me: haha keep digging your hole gypsy

    her: I’m gonna cry, fool I ain’t no gypsy I dress and live better then a gypsy!

    me: k how bout sexy bitch LOL

    her: HAHAHA no longer mad at you! =D

    BOOOOOSH!

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  48. Hey man, a mate of mine is unable to drink alcohol at the moment (poor bastard). I did suggest he take a girl for coffee but now it seems like a bad recommendation. So where else is there to take a girl?

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  49. Hay Jag is taking you on with her new blog “The Players Strike Back” but your Picture is cool http://jagcarrao.wordpress.com/

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  50. on December 7, 2009 at 10:02 pm dirtyharrycallahan

    I love how the posts about real life gaming/actual interaction with living breathing females always see the fewest comments.

    Hard for some of the resident dorks to relate I suppose – can write novella-length diatribes on black people or cuckholdry, but “field experience”? forget it.

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  51. Breeze,

    If he (poor bastard indeed) lives in a big city –

    Girls like adventure. Tell her to meet for coffee downtown, once she’s there grab coffee and take a walk… perfect. once she’s moving it’s a lot easier to do some kino on her and use cocky funny… u can buy alot of time if u know how to be fun. just be innovative.

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  52. Love the last one. Definitely one of the best alpha moves. I think it ranks closely to me getting sexy Victoria Secret lingerie and telling my girlfriend it isn’t for her.

    I also love saying I have a friend and disappearing for a few hours. Drives women nuts especially since they don’t know if it’s a man or women… or that if I even met a friend but instead was banging some random broad in some alley with no rubber in the ass or doing coke off a bimbo stripper.

    Showing up late to dates or meetings is a must. Shows you and your time are more important. I make sure I flirt and check out worthy women in a girl’s presence to show I have options and have standards…

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  53. Roissy-

    So when if ever are you going to provide feedback on your last PUA skills/knowledge challenge? It’s been what, 3 weeks since?

    This one:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/a-test-of-your-game-7/

    You’ve done this several times now Roissy.

    I don’t like it.

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  54. To Case #1:

    Regardless of the quality of your game, you have obviously got her on the hook, I’m not sure why roissy didnt remark on it. Indeed she was probably more resistant because of living next to you. Were you to break up later this situation would probably be more trouble for her than for you.

    “guess you will have to get lucky some other day.”

    Obviously she’ll go on the date, she suggests you try a different day which obviously implies “yes”, she’ll go. Also, she converted your “feeling lucky” into pretty much an innuendo (“get lucky”).

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  55. Sending texts is intrinsically geeky beta. Isn’t that obvious? Get a time and a place with as little anything else as possible. I would keep it brief and frequently use one word because I hate wasting my time. It would be true. Don’t be her girl friend.

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  56. @Casanovicane: My man is still an L plater when it comes to game. This will be a good learning curve for him. He blew Fuckup Avoidance Game last time we were in a club because his kino is shit.

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  57. volleys of texts are gay.

    text 1: funny
    text 2: transition + request to meet up
    text 3: specify time and place.
    she confirms, done.

    girls love getting texts. that doesn’t translate into meeting up.

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  58. Basil Ransom

    Precisely. “girls love getting texts. that doesn’t translate into meeting up.” Make the girl feel good. Get under her skin. Leave her thinking about you. Now what you said is traditional PUA wisdom and traditionally I’d agree with you, but I say do this with every girl you meet! (well not every girl) Plant a seed if you will. Grow a massive garden. Plants grow in the direction of sunlight and the roots in the direction of water. Be in control of that and you can fuck whichever one of them you want. It’s about having options for those of us who aren’t so insecurely based on the notion that women are heartless and will whip any man who God forbid gives them something they love like texts. Make them feel good – They’ll eventually want to meet up but you’ll be busy banging the 9 you planted a seed in a month ago. Get the picture?

    Cheers!

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  59. on December 8, 2009 at 3:00 am Phenomenal One

    i’ve learned enough times to keep texting and online talk with chicks to a minimal and have it lead to an face 2 face meeting.

    let them have those long conversations via text and computer with their girlfriends.

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  60. Phenomenal One

    I couldn’t agree more. Establish a connection through well poised texts and leave it be. Text her a few days later in Basil Ransom’s aforementioned format and close. Depends on you’re personality too, and the vibe that you gave during your first impression. There is no right or wrong on this. Just be who you are (if you are an alpha). Betas tend to read into trying to be an alpha so much that they become anxious as to the ‘rules’ of the game. One must incorporate the main concepts and develop his own game. Otherwise he’s just a slave to the psychology behind the game, forever mirroring the game of others. The really hot women can tell when you are gaming, and at that point you either stand out as natural or you don’t. It’s always the most fun to game a girl just out of pure confidence and relaxation. In order to experience this, once again you have to incorporate the game into your personality. Live the game. Be the game. Your essence should be that of your own and at the same time reflect the game.

    100% Field Tested

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  61. More cute romantic shit:

    betas need the support of a social circle, but they often do very well in that environment

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  62. Wait a sec, how did I embed the video the first time?

    This time it just showed up as a link. How do I do quotes and videos and all that?

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  63. If 17 year old girls send you naked pics, delete them fast and tell them you do not consent to receiving child pornography. No vag in the world is worth several years in the federal pen. (See Roissy’s butt rape description…) It’s the fucked up world we live in. In most states you can fuck ’em at 16 or 17, but you can’t see ’em naked on camera until they’re 18, anywhere. Be smart.

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  64. @ Roissy

    Case #3

    I agree I overplayed my hand. She could be hot/cold/hot/cold at times and looking back on it my inner game was shot to pieces. I didn’t know how to “be” with her and therefore fucked it up.

    The winning back an ex tactic worked flawlessly first time around… however I didn’t know of this site at the time, so I must claim the move as my own. When it appeared there were changes in her demeanor a second time round, I attempted to employ a similar strategy through acts of aloofness & indifference (i.e. how I’d act if I honestly didn’t give a shit). It worked temporarily but then came the crying, guilt trips & shit tests. And as it happens when one forgets they’re being tested, I failed. It didn’t take long to reveal my acts of aloofness where just that – acts. It’s amazing how quickly you can hand back power when it’s blatantly obvious you’re full of shit and you care too much.

    I think your “16 Commandments of Poon” is possibly one of the greatest pieces of literature of all time – I recommend other readers memorize it & live by it (as naturally as possible). Since my initial submission there were 3 return trips to the well however, I managed to break about 14 of the 16 commandments. As of two weeks or so ago, the well has dried up and there’s been no contact since.

    Self Rating: C-

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  65. Roissy. Let me get this straight. Basically, the moral of story A is that you can convey neediness through ill-applied “game” just as easily as you can convey it through fawning beta ineptitude, right? So the Roissy maxims on texting should be: Play it cool. Be a minimalist as far as length and quantity of texts. Make each text a mini-Rorschach test of 1-4 words. Never paint a clear picture. When questioned on the “right” interpretation of your texts, be a slippery evasive bastard.

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  66. on December 13, 2009 at 2:56 pm a very attractive woman

    All of the scenarios get a big fat F i n my book, which doesn’t really matter since I’m a woman; albeit an attractive one. Bottom line, none of thest guys are worth walking across the street for and least of al the one doing the grading.

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  67. on December 13, 2009 at 3:57 pm gunslingergregi

    Do you work job woman?

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  68. my story needs two corrections.

    he came to her house. he called her, and while they were talking, he drove to her house. This ploy, “calling the girl and driving to her home while talking thus surprising her”, I learned very young and I can´t understate how well it works.

    also, I don´t remember if I mentioned that they are engaged.

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  69. Gig your supposed to be at her window when you call her so you can throw a rock through it at just the right time to scare the shit out of her and point and laugh.

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