How To Revive A Cold Lead

Let’s say you’re like me and you forgot to call back in a timely manner one of the leads you number closed. Don’t worry, be happy. You can turn that cold lead around. How? It’s best to illustrate by example. Here follows an actual text exchange (syntax verbatim) between me and a lead that I had allowed to go cold.

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ME: hey XXX it’s [x] we met at XXXX. i was the incredibly suave guy 🙂 hi! [I sent this text at 1 am on a Saturday night, eight days after I got her number.]

GIRL: [After five minute delay] Hey, nice to hear from you! How are you?

ME: Life is good. i got a fish today. handsome devil. what’s up w you?

GIRL: A fish? Cool. Does it have a name?

ME: It does have a name. “stud” he’s a ladykiller. Just like his dad. 😉 hey when are u free? We’re getting together for a drink.

GIRL: That would be great. we could meet up this weekend or during the week.

[I arrange a time to meet during the week, and tell her to meet me at a lounge conveniently located near my place.]

GIRL: Ok sounds good. So to avoid a potentially awkward situation I need to tell you I am a little younger than you probably think I am. I’m four months to turning 21.

ME: Hm i thought you were mid or late 20s. Ok to avoid carding let’s meet at [non-alchohol serving coffee bar in same location] which is on the corner of XXX.

GIRL: Ok I know exactly where that is. So if you don’t mind me asking are you mid to late 20s then?

ME: 85. Ever since i quit smoking i’ve shaved off the years. I’m probably too mature for you.

GIRL: Probably. So do you still want to meet?

ME: Yes. You don’t strike me as a ditz. You seem smart. I prefer to keep an open mind.

GIRL: Ok, well I’ll meet you at [X] on [X] then.

******

Maxim #12: If you are comfortable with your game being splashed across a JumboTron for thousands of people to read, then you are doing it right.

Do you feel confident enough to put your communication with chicks on this blog? Before you send that text or make that phone call, ask yourself, “Would this pass muster as a blog post entry for millions of knife-sharpening hardcore womanizers and beta haters to read?” If you suspect the answer is “No”, you need to STOP DROP and ROLL off that chick until your senses return.

Which brings me to a new project idea. I call it: Alpha Assessment Monday. Every other Monday (after a long weekend of collecting digits), you the reader will submit your texts, voicemails, or other stabs at communication with women for me to post on the blog. The readers (and myself) will then analyze it to determine if it is adequately alpha. This is the way to grow as a man. You may submit conversations that you have already sent to the girl, or conversations you are planning to send.

*PS: It is acceptable to communicate solely via text with especially young women. I’m generally anti-text because I think it betrays timidity, but the under-25 crowd, and lately even the under 30 crowd, treat texting like phone calling — it’s their default mode. Younger women — the best kind — won’t subtract points like they used to if you arrange dates through text.





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  1. 1am, saturday night???
    balls.

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  2. I realize the girl was young, and this gives you greater leeway to joke around, but this:

    “It does have a name. “stud” he’s a ladykiller. Just like his dad. ”

    Doesn’t sit well with me. Alphas may be egotistical and full of themselves, but they demonstrate it through their actions, not by simply proclaiming it. Just saying.

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  3. I’m four months to turning 21.

    That’s so hot.

    Hm i thought you were mid or late 20s.

    hahaha, so textbook, so heavy-handed, so effective.

    If you are comfortable with your game being splashed across a JumboTron for thousands of people to read, then you are doing it right.

    My most valuable practical lesson here, along with holding the drink low. Applies to any kind of communication, not just chicks. When the original “Jumbotron” post was written 2+ years ago, I was in the proces of composing an email to a client. I thought, hmmm, a little heavy on the deferential note. I’d be embarassed if it were broadcast. Alpha it up. And so I did. And so I more money now.

    Alpha Assessment Monday

    It’s like a high end counsulting service, except for free. I love the internet.

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  4. “I’m generally anti-text because I think it betrays timidity”

    I am a huge fan of texting, and have completely quit phoning girls. What comes off as more timid? A clever text or a rambling phone message? Then you have to wait for the call back…

    Texting shows that you don’t care enough to spend 5 minutes on the phone with them. But it also allows you to stay in their head, because you can text relatively frequently without being “that guy” who phones 3x before the date to chit chat.

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  5. Though this exchange excellently demonstrates the proper way to execute the initial phone/text communication with a girl post-pick up, this really doesn’t illustrate any tactics specifically geared towards refreshing a cold lead. The reason she responded to you after 8 days was a combination of luck and the tight game you ran on her when you first met her.

    Still a great,valuable post. It serves more as template for

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  6. [whoops]….post-pickup communication in general

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  7. Several of my coworkers are chumps. Beta in the making. We were heading out to lunch and we had a disagreement on what women like and why two of our coworkers, both in their mid/late 20’s, were still single. I told my friends because Chris and Rob do not know how to communicate with women and probably believe all that crap they read/watch that tells men to be nice. Both guys are super nice guys. Well, Roissy and I have the same worldview so I mentioned that girls want dominant guys with borderline asshole behavior. Two of my friends disagreed and said I was talking this way because my Girl friend (18 years younger than me) was not here. So I texted my girlfriend and showed the results to my friends. The text is below.

    Me: Hey, having a discussion with friends. Am I an asshole?

    GF: Yea! You are demeaning and don’t value my opinions. About tonight…

    Me: I can’t make tonight. I’ll pick you up Friday at 6.

    GF: Ok.

    Still dating her…

    Keys to keeping a relationship strong:
    1. Don’t see her every day of the week. 2-3 days a week is max. When you see her, you should always set the place and tone of the date.
    2. Don’t constantly text/call her. If she doesn’t text first, DO NOT text her first. And do not always replay right back when she texts. For example, I do not text during my workouts in the Gym and if I plan on seeing her that night, I probably will not text her at all.
    3. If she cancels for friends, cancel your next date with no excuse.
    4. Call her out using humor when she flakes or becomes bitchy. Don’t let her know she got under your skin, EVER!
    5. Set rules of what is expected and not expected. For example, in public, I expect total support and will do same.
    6. Keep getting other numbers. I still date other women because you never know if you will find someone better or if your current GF will flake.

    There are other keys but make sure you are consitent and strong. Most women do not like weak guys. make a decision and even if it is wrong. You will still get kudos for takign charge.

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  8. emoticons. i feel betrayed.

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  9. Question about number closes.I once told a woman at work to give me her number while we were sitting in her brand new Corvette.I had my hand all over her (shapely) bare (wearing short shorts) thigh.Wild chic;tramp stamp,biker past.She gave it to me but she seemed reluctant.Had been flirting mildly with me for a few years.I ignored her until shortly before this moment.She was living with someone at the time and gave me her cell.I never called because of the reluctance.Was she not interested?Should I have called?Any general observations on how to handle a (perceived) reluctant number close?

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  10. The ChadMan seconds the supreme wisdom and practicality of the JumboTron principle, as well as PA’s observation that it is applicable across pretty much every kind of communication.

    I submit to the judgement of commenters the following example of ChadMan ™ text message game:

    Chad69: 10pm?

    SHB12: =)

    The only flaw in this text game was that at precisely 10pm, the ChadMan was in the middle of an important episode of Californication. Live and learn.

    Peace.

    Chad

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  11. emoticons. i feel betrayed.

    yea, how’d that happen?

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  12. “It does have a name. “stud” he’s a ladykiller. Just like his dad. 😉 hey when are u free? We’re getting together for a drink.”

    “just like his dad”, emoticons, questions… beta.

    Better answer:

    “Yes, (her name). We’re getting together for a drink.”

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  13. Help Dr. G!

    How do you number close a girl at her place of work (clerk, cashier, receptionist) where you don’t have a lot of time talk and there are other people around?

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  14. Dr G.

    You: hey I gotta jet. Let’s meet up for a coffee. What’s your number Hand her your phone

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  15. trying too hard:
    emoticons, questions… beta.

    if it’s a cold lead, it’s ok to throw in a smiley. cold leads are more apt to mistake your cocky banter for actual assholery, so something to lighten the mood is necessary.

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  16. @Ovid: When in doubt about a phone number you got, don’t waste the time trying to follow up.

    If you’re sure that she is sufficiently attracted, then assume the sale. Otherwise, delete her number and meet more girls. Every alpha man knows that there are always plenty more.

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  17. “It does have a name. “stud” he’s a ladykiller. Just like his dad. 😉 hey when are u free? We’re getting together for a drink.”

    “just like his dad”, emoticons, questions… beta.

    Better answer:

    “Yes, (her name). We’re getting together for a drink.”

    It gets a little tiring of reading comments on this blog from people who think that to be alpha you have to strip away all personality and humanness and totally caveman her all the time.

    It betrays a lack of real world experience. (“If the bitch didn’t put out with me I’d tell her to get out of the fucking car!!!1!! lolz!”)

    Yeah, we get your formula. Be an asshole all the time. Sorry, that doesn’t cut it.

    You can’t be an asshole ALL the time.

    It’s about calibration. You read where she’s at and where you’re at in the interaction and proceed accordingly.

    Sometimes you’re an asshole.

    Sometimes you’re funny.

    And sometimes you make yourself vulnerable and connect with her deeper than anyone has every connected with her before.

    And yes, you could even send a text or two where you aren’t a complete and total douche. Just to show that you’re not a complete and total douche.

    Splash that shit across a jumbotron.

    Eric

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  18. cold leads are more apt to mistake your cocky banter for actual assholery, so something to lighten the mood is necessary.

    good point. think about how many guys must send creepy/borderline angry texts to girls that never called them back or cut off contact. the more you demonstrate that you’re unaffected, the better you are.

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  19. Eric Disco buffaloed:

    “It does have a name. ..

    It gets a little tiring of reading comments on this blog from people who think that to be alpha you have to strip away all personality and humanness and totally caveman her all the time….

    It betrays a lack of real world experience…

    It rubs
    the lotion
    on its skin

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  20. “cold leads are more apt to mistake your cocky banter for actual assholery, so something to lighten the mood is necessary.”

    yeah, emoticons suck but sending an ambiguous text is worse…when reading texts, people tend to read them in monotone thereby gleaning the meaning from how it is read which is often not in line with what the sender meant to convey.

    that’s why i’m developing an iPhone app that gauges pulse, button pressing patterns, blood/alcohol level and other factors and communicates whether a text is sent with anger, love, or out of sheer horniness.

    the gauge can be shut off at the whim of the sender so that true intentions of texts can maintain their strategic ambiguity.

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  21. Eric Disco = BETA

    Kidding of course…I think most of the men who follow a site like this are either Beta, Omega or in my case…Gamma.

    For example in my mid 20’s, I still have zero experience with women.

    So when a guy like me reads…

    “BE A COMPLETE ASSHOLE”

    in real life it turns into…being slightly more confident and aggressive…

    So Eric, keep in mind who reads this site and how they apply this knowledge in real life…

    most guys reading this blog wouldn’t have the balls to say “get the “f*ck out of my car”….so they would say something else that would sound less ballsy but not beta…

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  22. “… communicates whether a text is sent with anger, love, or out of sheer horniness”

    i’d want my gauge to show ‘sheer horniness’ at all times. it would be a “strategic ambivalence.”

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  23. Grow as a man? You mean you don’t support the use of penis pumps?

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  24. I got my bill and it totaled up to about 1000 text messages last month (4-5 younger women). I consider this a sign of societal decay.

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  25. I’ve dropped the ball with a couple of 30+ women due to my use of texting. They thought it was disrespectful. Now, I just use it as a litmus test for stupidity and ballbreaking.

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  26. that text was beta.

    avoid using emoticons and questions in texts doesn’t make you an asshole. Without body language, its a good habit to be sure you don’t look like a needy beta.

    “A fish? Cool. Does it have a name?”
    “Not yet, we could meet up and think one..”

    asshole? please..

    some rules for texting:

    – 1 joke max per text
    – dont use emoticons unless she uses one first. limit at 1 per text and only to suppot irony or assholery
    – do not ask questions: “how you doing?” “when are you free?”, rephrase them. (others like “what are you wearing?” or “how about a threesome tonight?” are allowed)

    excuse my english

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  27. There’s a whole lot of bad advice in every comments section from overcompensating betas trying too hard to sound alpha, but that was actually good stuff there vicen. Comment more in the future please.

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  28. And yes, you could even send a text or two where you aren’t a complete and total douche. Just to show that you’re not a complete and total douche.

    Splash that shit across a jumbotron.

    amen

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  29. btw amusing me with your previous post and making me aw over your soft belly, and then revealing the much crustier parts with making dates with 20 year olds while in a ltr …. I am so confused. disdain/attraction/disdain/attraction/ah!

    save me from the alphas, I think.

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  30. “A fish? Cool. Does it have a name?”

    better with a dog.

    “Mycock. Come over and pet him.”

    “Stains. So that whenever I need him, I can yell “Come, Stains.”

    “Yes, its on all those “Have you seen me?” posters all over the city. But I’m thinking of changing it.”

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  31. Make sure you attach a snapshot of your nutsack to seal the deal.

    Or a pic of your largest bowel movement in case you need to break up via text.

    You’re welcome internet.

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  32. The comments here tend to proliferate into who can turn into a dating world version of a Serbian war criminial first – Eric nails it on the head.

    Emoticons work well in this case b/c it’s clear the girl has some hesitation about an age difference (since she asked roissy his) – it’s a some what juvenile communication, so more on her level.

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  33. Dude, war criminal game? How many jews do I got I to fucking shoot to get some poonany?

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  34. Jesus. A week constitutes a cold lead?

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  35. I need an edit feature, as I’m usually shit-faced.

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  36. trying too hard:
    that text was beta.

    proof by assertion.

    avoid using emoticons and questions in texts doesn’t make you an asshole.

    and using them sparingly in the right context doesn’t make you a beta.

    “A fish? Cool. Does it have a name?”
    “Not yet, we could meet up and think one..”

    meh. “we could meet up” sounds beta.

    some rules for texting:

    – 1 joke max per text
    – dont use emoticons unless she uses one first. limit at 1 per text and only to suppot irony or assholery
    – do not ask questions: “how you doing?” “when are you free?”, rephrase them. (others like “what are you wearing?” or “how about a threesome tonight?” are allowed)

    first rule: stupid. if you have a couple of zingers you know will make her laugh, it’s no skin off your nose to use them. the key here is “cocky funny”, not “stand-up funny”.

    second rule: there are exceptions. as i mentioned to you in an earlier comment, a cold lead like the girl in my post will require a sarcasm-supporting smiley so confusion that arises from such a long delay between meet and follow up communication is avoided. remember that by waiting eight days i’ve already massively negged the girl, so a smiley serves as a way to smooth the rough edges of asshole tardiness.

    third rule: note that in my example i followed up my question with a statement. “what days are you free? we’re meeting up for drinks.” you must have missed that part.

    excuse my english

    never.

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  37. A week constitutes a cold lead?

    pretty much.

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  38. Beta

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  39. also, if it wasn’t clear by the post’s title, this is about reviving a *cold lead*. cold leads, by their very nature, have already been negged/disqualified by your excessive delay in contacting them, and by doing so at 1 am on a weekend night. in such cases, emoticons and a fun friendly vibe are necessary to demonstrate that you don’t think the delay is a big deal, and you aren’t texting random chicks for a booty call.

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  40. @ the truth

    “Let’s meet up for a coffee.”

    But Roissy just said “meet up” sounds beta, and coffee is lame.

    Whoever helps me will get a free penis enlargement surgery.

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  41. Does this correlate to flake-response texting?

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  42. Dr G. “we could meet up” sounds unsure and beta. “let’s meet up” is alpha. I don’t need penis enlargement. It’s big enough.

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  43. By the way I recommend muay Thai training to all betas. Will enlarge your balls.

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  44. dr g:
    How do you number close a girl at her place of work (clerk, cashier, receptionist) where you don’t have a lot of time talk and there are other people around?

    other people around? mostly irrelevant.
    limited time? depends how limited. if you have a minute you gotta segue into the number close. roosh has good openers for coffeeshop cashiers. e.g.:

    “the lines for coffee are not usually this long in other countries.”

    then maybe she’ll bite on the international playboy bait.

    if you have just a few seconds, and you don’t see her often, then you’ll have to go bold:

    “i’ll be honest. i’m going to ask for your number so i can have an excuse to buy some of this delicious coffee.”

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  45. Does this correlate to flake-response texting?

    not really. a cold lead is what happens when you are too busy with other girls/too lazy/too tapped out from barely legal porn wacking and you forget to call the chick back. flake response texting is active pursuit of a lead.

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  46. Dr. Grzlickson,

    You have to be extra diligent with hired guns. Girls in these occupations are better looking than average and have been told to be flirtatious and friendly. You know how you like that Starbucks girl? It’s cuz she makes eye contact with you when she gives you the coffee. Which is in the starbucks training manual.

    You have to go Matt Damon in The Departed. The scene in the elevator where he number-closes his future GF. Top of your game, funny, negs, easy going. Check it out.

    If you do it right, the men in line will be in awe, and gina’s will tingle.

    Consider taking a hot female friend to coffee girl’s place of work for some social proof too.

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  47. Just confirmed my ticket for a few month jaunt in Asia!!! Freedom …… Don’t get married, gents …

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  48. So, True Story (TM):

    I sat next to this guy in class. He was tall, dark, French. Strikingly handsome. Charming. Etc. Very much the Etc. He was intelligent and rich. Arrogant. Very much the asshole. Also very much a natural. Always surrounded by at least two hot girls.

    Despite the fact that I was convinced he was a jerk, I’ll admit I was intrigued.

    We were both up late one day, writing papers. We were talking on Facebook chat. He suddenly asked me out, on an impromptu date. He said he’d send a car to my building.

    And then.

    He emoticon’d it up.

    Ugh.

    Never have I become so instantly repulsed by a man in my life.

    (For the record, we are friends, but I believe it would be easier for me to be sexually attracted to my brother.)

    Men: Emoticons are to be used sparingly, and NOT AT ALL in early conversation. The only time this can be forgiven is if your communication is PRIMARILY over teh internets. And I’m talking, SRS communication. Like in LDR’s. Even then. Respect minimalism.

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  49. A self-claim alpha started texting a girl @ 1 am on Saturday night?

    [editor: the 8am slot was all filled up.]

    Yeah yeah, tell the world that you’re a lonely stoopid beta, Roissy.

    [or maybe i just had too much on my plate to bother texting her sooner.]

    Hey, Roissy. Quit blogging on daily basis. Start doing something out there. You got too much time in your hands.

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  50. As a rule, advice from a woman on woman is to be uniformly rejected, especially one who consistently uses “SRSLY”.

    [editor: i’ve written before that emoticons are the mark of the beta and should be avoided as much as possible. but there are situations, such as the one outlined in this post, when an emoticon is almost necessary to accomplish a larger goal; in this case, warming up a cold lead.]

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  51. @al- which is the disdain and which the attraction?

    i think the harder advice is how to handle female flakes, not male cold leads. but related concepts, sure. i’m of the school that you shouldn’t be an asshole all the time, only as necessary.

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  52. @ Tommy

    Not advice on women. Advice on me. I’m off the market, so don’t worry about it.

    Emoticize to your heart’s content.

    SRSLY!

    Maybe we should have a poll:

    Men can use emoticons and/or stupid internet colloquialisms (e.g. SRSLY) and remain alpha^2674!!!!!!!!111111one1

    Yes/No

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  53. I liked the humor and soft belly, hace mas atractivo.

    lilgrl, I agree.

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  54. Off topic but RELEVANT…

    Has anyone noticed that Hugh Hefner filed for divorce from his 2nd wife just a few days after his youngest son with her turned 18?

    Check out the news stories… and check out wikipedia. His youngest son was born Sept. 4 1991.

    Why aren’t the major news outlets picking up on this crucial clue? Maybe this way how Hefner was able to make sure his boys were right next door to him while he supported them, rather than carted off somewhere else while his mom lived off child support.

    Holly Madison must be dying inside right now… she wanted SO bad to be Mrs. Hefner aka Playbaby Mama #3

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  55. roissy, i guess your game must’ve been tight when you met her, if the girl wasn’t previusly very interested in you the beta stink of some of your texts would have make her ignore you.

    [editor: actually, my initial game wasn’t tight. the text i sent at 1 am with a hint of a fun vibe is what brought her over to my side.]

    this “strategy” to revive a cold lead may work with girls who are not out of your league, but i doubt you could get any results with anything young above a 6.

    [she was a 7. reviving cold leads is tough no matter what the rank of the girl.]

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  56. Apologies if the Hugh Hefner divorce topic was covered elsewhere, I searched the site a bit and didn’t see it! And I know how some of the guys here just love the divorce/child support topic… just wanted to share what a grand master PUA did.

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  57. my contention wasn’t so much with her advice rather that she was giving it. Roissy, like you said, you’ve said that. More parroting.

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  58. “editor: the 8am slot was all filled up.”

    i was curious about this, too – girl you waited 8 days to contact, and you contact her during prime hour on a prime night. i’d be thinking, “i don’t want her to think i’m bored on a saturday night.” it’s counter-intuitive, but you must have been onto something, because it worked. wouldn’t waiting until maybe midday on sunday be more effective, generally? if not, why?

    [editor: ask yourself, when is a girl most likely going to expect a text or call from a man she gave her number to? that’s right, midday on sunday or early sunday evening. sending a 1 am text shows you are unpredictable and reckless, and chicks dig that. it doesn’t say you are bored on a saturday night, because she can’t tell whether you’re at home sending the text or at a bar living it up and decided to text her for fun. (for the record, i was at a bar and opened my phone to give to another girl when i saw her name in the address book and remembered that i hadn’t called her back.) now if i had sent the text at 8 or 9 pm on a saturday night, that would have left an entirely different and unflattering impression of a guy who was fishing for a weekend date because all other prospects had dried up.]

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  59. Hefner’s not a grandmaster PUA, he’s just rich and famous and makes a living taking less-than-mentally-stable girls, air brushing them, giving them fake boobs and bleached hair, and making them pinups.

    It’s documented that he pays many of his “girlfriends” to be his arm candy to keep up his image. Many are gold diggers naturally and don’t mind spending a few years lapping his wrinkly balls for some party time and chance to be among celebrities. Unless you believe reality tv is real, in whcih case, the Girls Next Door is totally believable?

    Some have even accused him of getting earlier girls hooked on drugs and keeping them pliant that way.

    Hef’s all image on that front. He’s a famous pornographer with deep pockets. No game required.

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  60. no, it would have been beta to send the 1 a.m. text and follow up with *another* text before she responded. even if she never responds, sending two in a row – to a girl you don’t know – is beta form.

    as roissy pointed out, she doesn’t know what you’re up to…if you made a good first impression, she’ll assume you’re surrounded by a bunch of hot girls at a bar, if you were a dud, it doesn’t matter, she’ll probably assume you’re desperate.

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  61. Tough crowd.

    I think what a lot of guys here don’t understand is that while there are certain “rules” in place, those rules should be treated more as guidelines. Ultimately, you have to learn to shoot from the hip if you hope to be anything more than a poseur. So any rule can (and should) be broken when the situation calls for it.

    Seriously (or for LilGrl, SRSLY,) you need to eventually get to the point where you’re going by feel, rather than by some dopey rulebook.

    The emoticons used here? Absolutely the right move.

    The banter and the way the date was set up? Perfect.

    And WTF difference does it make that the text was at 1:00 a.m. on a Saturday night? Does it really make a difference whether it was because there was an earlier engagement or whether it’s because Roissy was watching a Love Boat marathon. The fact remains that the play worked.

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  62. To expound on Chuck’s comment… Men don’t realize you can execute individual “beta” actions, but still be totally alpha thanks to a host of other factors you have wprking for you. It’s about an attitude and an aura, not practicing an alpha routine number by number.

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  63. DeepThought, if your account is accurate, how exactly did you interrupt her mid-text? I smell BS

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  64. I also need to figure out how the hell to close on a cashier chick…I know she digs me because of her body language, but the twist is she works in an Arab corner store and her dad/uncle is always hovering around nearby. Probably makes her shit tingle like crazy with Hajji looking over her shoulder, but I do notice that her reactions to me are like night and day depending on whether he’s in the room or not.

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  65. @ Sofia, Riff Dog

    Obviously. If a guy has effectively established his alpha-ness, he can, and should, break a few rules. As for emoticons, I’m just a bit snobby about them. Also, remember that this is the first communication to happen via phone. So…eh.

    That said, Roissy’s exchange reminds me A LOT of my texts/etc. with the aforementioned guy. Each time I read one of his texts with a “u” or an “r” or a “;)” in it, I cringe internally.

    Of course, I also cringe when girls do that.

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  66. A lot of people who claim to be PUA are completely full of shit. Lots of people know how to do it, but actually doing it is a very different thing, much like the difference between knowing how to jump from the high diving board, and actually jumping in a stylish fashion. And I was inclined to suspect that Roissy was actually a nerd fantasizing in his mother’s basement. After reading this, I conclude that Roissy is an ex nerd, who, starting from a thorough and typically nerdish knowledge of Darwin’s writings on sexual selection and human evolution, has totally cured himself of nerdishness, and now really is banging girls by the busload as claimed.

    Yey Roissy! Your texts are an inspiration!

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  67. To Roissy’s credit he didn’t say, “THX 4 MEETING ME 🙂 🙂 :)”

    The emoticon worked in this situation because of what he was communicating verbally. It didn’t come across as saccharine or childish because it wasn’t coupled with other dealbreakers.

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  68. @ Sofia

    Yes, apparently it worked for him. Which is awesome!

    [editor: it would work for most men in a similar situation because as i mentioned above in another comment, the emoticon is useful for turning around a cold lead. re-engaging a girl in text with no smilies — a girl who was basically negged by being blown off for a week and then responded to late on a saturday night — carries the high risk that the man will overqualify himself as an asshole. a good rule of thumb is that each act of assholery should be balanced by an act of emtional kindness. the emoticon harangue which bugged you is much different in context than the one in my post.]

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  69. <>

    No offense intended, but why would an alpha need to be validated on the Internets?

    [editor: false premise.]

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  70. Here we get to the flaws in some of this “alpha” and “beta” stuff. Emoticons are beta, except when they aren’t.

    [editor: here, let me help you with that reading comprehension problem of yours. Emoticons are beta in most situations, but there are exceptions to the rule.]

    Palms raised is beta, except when it’s used tor reassure a girl as in that video from a few weeks ago.

    [context is your friend.]

    Let’s face it, you don’t want to be a supplicant, but you want her to feel comfortable. So there’s a lot of alpha and a lot of beta going into any flirtation/seduction/whatever.

    [you are confusing the seduction process of building comfort with a girl as proof of beta behavior, but this is wrong. there is an alpha way to build comfort, and a beta way. comfort building (or rapport) is a necessary component of most seductions, not an indicator of betaness in and of itself.]

    The real story here is that a lot of PUA stuff is about making her feel this emotional connection to you as a provider beta with the “comfort routines,” so then she gets emotionally attached and wants to bang your betaness, and then you go to your friends and talk about how alpha you are because you bang chicks this way.

    [women desire providers, among other male traits of attractiveness. a “beta provider” isn’t merely a synonym for a provider; he’s an archetype of a certain type of provider who has forfeited his prerogative to lead in the relationship. many alphas can be exceptional providers, just as many betas can be lazy layabouts. as for the rest of your comment, it’s as stupidly cliched as most of what you write about game and women.]

    This is all to avoid the fact that you’re being deliberately manipulative… or you pull some bullshit transparent self-justification that classifies every act of influence as manipulative.

    [do you believe every time a woman works out, applies makeup, flirts, or wears flattering clothing she is being manipulative?]

    So yes, when it comes to emoticons, like everything else, it’s all in the attitude. Smiley emoticons about how glad you are that she’s seeing you make you come off as a supplicant. A winky emoticon following a flirty self-compliment can work; it signals that you’re being deliberately flirty and not just straight-up narcissistic.

    [most men overuse emoticons. i hardly ever use them, except in cases like in this post, where the lead had gone cold and i needed to reassure her that i was a guy with a fun flirty vibe.]

    Calibrate emoticons according to how smart the chick is. The smarter the chick, the fewer the emoticons you use. If she’s very smart, emoticons look like you’re laughing at your own jokes.

    [smartness has got nothing to do with it. in fact, if there’s a correlation it goes the other way — dumber girls seem to get more rapidly turned off by *any* stereotypically “feminine” displays by men such as emoticons.]

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  71. What i texted to a girl that I hadn’t talked to in WEEKS that worked.

    “Karlie, your gonna have to try alot harder if you want to win me over.”

    [editor: this is good. but it would only make sense if she already had your number. in my case, i had her number but hadn’t contacted her, so she didn’t have mine.]

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  72. The whole text conversation strikes me as hideously corny.

    Its one thing if the posturing and “oh bb I am good” nonsense is facetious… but you truly believe this, therefore you seem less witty in that context, and moreso like cheesy sleezebag. (ah, but the women you pursue don’t read your blog, so the poor things misinterpret things in your favor).

    I get big time “creeper” vibes from this. You’re trying a little too hard.

    [editor: bb?]

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  73. “bb” stands for baby, not that you said such a thing, but it fits in with the general attitude. Don’t look into it too deeply, yeah?

    [editor: you’re right, i’ll stop from looking into your stupidity too deeply.]

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  74. regarding your p.s., i’m 27 and actually prefer texting to calling, BUT think boys should know if they spell horribly or use the wrong word (“waist” instead of “waste” for example)…INSTANT turn-off.

    just sayin…

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  75. she had my number. i tried to get her out a few weeks earlier but our schedules couldn’t mesh.

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  76. hey guys, I’m going to Morocco in the next weeks. Heard girls there dress hot and are quite available. And i dig exotic girls.

    Any clues on Arab game? Aside from smoking huukah’s and quoting the Quran please.

    [editor: don’t follow anyone into side alleys.]

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  77. hey Roissy i fucked up real beta bad. I really liked this girl i have been dating for a fews months. But the last time i saw her i told her i’d like a bj and she said no. It pissed me off so much the next night when i was drunk that broke up with her in a text. Talked to her a couple days later and she said she didn’t want to get back together. Obviously she was going cold to me even before or she would have sucked the dick. I lost my cool and got fucking emoional and shit. But we made plans to see each other one last time on Saturday and “say goodbye”. I know that i can fuck her one last time but I’d rather have her back. Do you think i should go ahead with Saturday or would it be better to cancel without explanation?

    [editor: first, it’s generally not a good idea to tell a girl you’d like a bj. it’s better to just dangle your cock in front of her face. if there’s been foreplay and she’s lubed up, she’ll know what to do with it. as for the rest of your comment, *never break up with a girl unless you can mean it*. breaking up and then going right back to her two days later will make you look like an overemotional beta, which you have discovered. my advice: wait until a half hour before meeting her on saturday and text her this: “hey, bad news. gotta cancel. another time.” i guarantee she’ll attempt a reconnection sometime within the week after that text. the power will then have imperceptibly shifted slightly in your direction, giving you a chance to fuck her many more times.

    one more thing. if she cancels first (a strong likelihood) don’t respond to her right away. wait until 10 minutes before you were to meet her and then text her back something like “no prob”. this will really fuck with her head. good luck and let us know how it turns out!]

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  78. “bb” stands for baby, not that you said such a thing, but it fits in with the general attitude. Don’t look into it too deeply, yeah?

    [editor: you’re right, i’ll stop from looking into your stupidity too deeply.]

    Don’t get your panties in a wad, princess.

    [editor: it’s always about wads with you poofters.]

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  79. Amanda – or “alot” when it’s “a lot”, right?

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  80. … or “huukah’s” when it’s “huukas”.

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  81. spandrell:

    “Heard girls there [Morocco] dress hot and are quite available.”

    yes, they’re called prostitutes. i have several moroccan friends. they think the women are hot but note that they aren’t nearly as available or slutty as american girls.

    the women tend to be more curvy – like south american girls.

    morocco is the least strick muslim country though, so you don’t have to worry about an honor killing if you do happen to come across something.

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  82. “bb” stands for baby, not that you said such a thing, but it fits in with the general attitude. Don’t look into it too deeply, yeah?

    [editor: you’re right, i’ll stop from looking into your stupidity too deeply.]

    Don’t get your panties in a wad, princess.

    [editor: it’s always about wads with you poofters.]

    Fancy that. I’ve lost count of the amount of time you’ve said “jizz bombs.”

    [editor: so you’re keeping count of my jizzbombs. such a spotted-assed fag you are!]

    Always about wads with fellas like you…

    [comeback of champeens.]

    Hmmm.

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  83. do you believe every time a woman works out, applies makeup, flirts, or wears flattering clothing she is being manipulative?

    If she does so to date a beta male, then yes, it’s manipulative.

    provider who has forfeited his prerogative to lead in the relationship

    No, I’ll let her be the leader so I can shame her ass into misery when she fucks up.

    many alphas can be exceptional providers, just as many betas can be lazy layabouts

    An alpha who provides is a beta. A lazy beta or one with no ability to provide is a sub-human male.

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  84. cold hard facts:
    the emoticon texts were alpha. the whole exchange was very well-choreographed. the interaction was framed to the target’s young age. it’s a great display of pick up.

    this post struck me in the same way as a video from Sinn i watched last year. he ran about twenty minutes of cold approach day game with pure, precise efficiency. i recognized many of his techniques from Sinn’s other material, and could pinpoint the purpose of much of the rest. he established kino, set false time constraints, escalated, sexualized, projected. he also declared himself to be a feminist, praised her “women’s studies” coarsework, proclaimed that his friends all agree he’d be a better girl than boy, paid tribute to the girl’s vegetarian diet, and marveled at the profundity of her astrological reverence. i don’t remember if he kiss-closed, but he had a solid date planned with a hot, 20 year old 9.

    i was so disgusted that it threw my game off all weekend. every time a girl praised the obama administration’s transparency for twittering and facebook status updates, i just wanted to punch her in the face. (this seemed to come up repeatedly that night for some reason) my tolerance sunk so low that there was no way i was swooping anyone. what was meant to be motivational instruction soured me toward impossible ideals. if that type of sellout was necessary to pick up 9’s and 10’s, i wanted none of it. i needed time to shake off this setback.

    emoticons are not “beta.” they are the mark of the dandy, fop, fag, and teenage girl. i will not sell out on this principle to maximize my game. i would rather restrict my framing spectrum and limit my possibilities with younger, more desirable women than sacrifice the foundation i depend on for ‘inner game.’

    NO EMOTICONS, NO EXCEPTIONS!

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  85. Ya sure…

    Dating While Married
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zondra-hughes/dating-while-married_b_280092.html

    Sex sells and infidelity is a booming business according to Noel Biderman, president and CEO of The Ashley Madison Agency — a discreet online dating service for married folks.

    On the female side, it’s a totally different psychographic. Married women come to our service because for the last 10 years they haven’t been paid attention to. They haven’t been told that they’re beautiful, or been brought flowers, and when they change their hair or their appearance their husband doesn’t even notice anymore.

    And for a woman who used to be the object of someone’s desire or fantasy, to have lost that is very painful. They are lonely within their own relationships. And loneliness is a true driver — it equates to pain. So if you’re lonely you’re going to change that. You sign up to the service and you have these men tell you, ‘I want to meet you.’ These men are interested in her as an object of desire, and that’s a revalidation for her.

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  86. Haven’t read the other comments yet, didn’t want to until I said what I had to say and didn’t get led astray and down the garden path of prickly opinions.

    I loved this post! And love the Monday idea – very cool. Can girls post texts they get to be rated for alpha or beta vibe? Pretty please!!

    ME: Hm i thought you were mid or late 20s.

    ME: You don’t strike me as a ditz. You seem smart. I prefer to keep an open mind.

    Perfection in the neg department. Love IT! Go Roissy go, go Roissy go.

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  87. anonymous is spamming, like a DOS attack on a web server. posts should be deleted.

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  88. The masculinity/femininity of emoticons is a topic that never occured to me.

    FYI, if a chick does not respond or responds coldly after you text her after some time, just try again later. You can try again for months on end. Eventually, she’ll think she is very special to you. It seems like a beta chase, but really, a txt takes 10 seconds of your time.

    Also, I will share a trick that will make the life of every player so much easier.

    Invite a girl for drinks/ice cream/etc. Then tell her to meet you at your place so that you can go out. Then you buzz her in. Then you entrance her into some gripping conversation and you never leave. Then you fuck her.

    I know a guy that nails a new girl literally every week with this tactic. He never leaves his house, and he doesn’t spend a dime. All you have to do is live alone.

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  89. hey roissy, GUESS WHAT. i hadn’t talked to her for a few days now (we used to talk every day) and she just called me a few minutes ago to ask if i was still coming to see her. she said she had a chance to leave town with friends if i wasn’t. She sounded real sad so i said “whats up you sound weird.” She says, “nothing, i’m just tired.” I say, “Ok, cool, tell me if you don’t want to cuz i gotta make other plans.” Then i said i had to go. She said “Ok, bye” in a super sweet voice.
    Hilarity

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  90. Cannon:

    i have many thoughts on emoticons. i have sent maybe 2 or 3 in my whole life; they just don’t encapsulate my personality. i’m not an emoticon kinda’ guy, although i hardly ever send messages that don’t convey what i’m trying to convey. i reword the text if i have to.

    but the whole point of texts and all that shit is communication – obviously. the cell phone is an imprecise medium that can’t capture everything we are trying to convey. besides my technology to communicate feeling based upon the sender’s typing patterns, i think emoticons should be personalized. we should all have small pictures of ourselves acting happy, angry, sad, winking, whatever the fuck that goes along with each text. instead of the gay-ass smiley face, you get a gay-ass chuck or cannon face. whatever. they’re funny (until everyone else adopts this) and not quite as gay as emoticons and it bridges the divide that cell phone companies are trying to hard to eradicate.

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  91. interesting idea, chuck. i also reword texts to avoid emoticons, however awkward. as far as my personalized graphics, i think i would use tiny pictures of the six major stage poses. front double biceps would be a smile, most muscular would be a frown, and the rear lat spread could be the kissy face.

    tupac: dagger!

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  92. feministrx – so are you close personal friends with Paul Janka or just faux-anectodately passing on this bit on?:

    (from the den of the voracious she wolves of jezebel, no less)

    http://jezebel.com/335827/paul-janka-did-not-date-rape-me-last-night

    http://gawker.com/349748/just-a-man-with-a-compulsion-kelly-kreths-date-with-paul-janka-just-sad

    Not saying this is unique to him by any means, but even as someone who doesn’t read this stuff that religiously, that’s the MO he’s particularly known for.

    ps the comments on that article are f’ing hilarious.

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  93. @Lucifer,

    I’ve found that a lot of married women cheaters are trying out a practice divorce and I’m essentially their rebound boyfriend.

    Most women have to have some sort of fantasy man that they envision getting remarried to in order to go through that divorce. Sometimes that’s the need you have to fill in their lives. Because the intense emotions that they have (but rationally suppress during the day) over the prospect of “poaching” you and also the fact that you’re the most decent lay they’ve had in several years, they fuck like wild animals.

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  94. “he also declared himself to be a feminist, praised her “women’s studies” coarsework, proclaimed that his friends all agree he’d be a better girl than boy, paid tribute to the girl’s vegetarian diet, and marveled at the profundity of her astrological reverence…

    if that type of sellout was necessary to pick up 9’s and 10’s, i wanted none of it. i needed time to shake off this setback.”

    Amen to that. I think Paul Janka summed up game as “having fun and respecting your integrity as a man” or something like that. Lying and misrepresenting your beliefs and attitudes, like some more mainstream PUAs like Sinn would suggest you do, is not only unnecessary, but is a betrayal of manly authenticity and confidence in oneself. Anytime a girl insists on talking about asinine politics, I usually get MORE satisfaction out of pissing her the fuck off than I do with being nice enough to gain rapport. There’s always more girls out there.

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  95. [editor: actually, my initial game wasn’t tight. the text i sent at 1 am with a hint of a fun vibe is what brought her over to my side.]

    If your game really wasn’t tight, then the fact that you got such a prompt text back was luck and other external factors (she really liked your look, she’s been having trouble finding a man, etc.) Nothing about your text is sufficiently unique in terms of reviving a number after an 8 day absence. To suggest that it was the magic of an emoticon that turned it all around is pretty ludicrous.

    [editor: you’re putting words in my mouth. i never wrote that the emoticon was the reason for her renewed interest. the texts in their totality is what helped move the seduction forward.]

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  96. on September 11, 2009 at 12:40 am you know who (aka mr. tardtastic)

    roissy

    Every other Monday (after a long weekend of collecting digits), you the reader will submit your texts, voicemails, or other stabs at communication with women for me to post on the blog. The readers (and myself) will then analyze it to determine if it is adequately alpha. This is the way to grow as a man.

    Haha.

    No.

    The quickest way of showing that you’re not a man is to think that success with women has anything at all to do with manliness.

    [editor: all acts undertaken and attitudes assumed of manliness are done to win access to pussy. that some of these acts are done intentionally to win pussy while other acts are done subconsciously at the behest of our dna is clearly a distinction you are unable to fathom.]

    DeepThought

    Keys to keeping a relationship strong:
    1. Don’t see her every day of the week. 2-3 days a week is max. When you see her, you should always set the place and tone of the date.

    This is completely absurd and arbitrary.

    2. Don’t constantly text/call her. If she doesn’t text first, DO NOT text her first. And do not always replay right back when she texts. For example, I do not text during my workouts in the Gym and if I plan on seeing her that night, I probably will not text her at all.

    This is even more absurd and arbitrary.

    6. Keep getting other numbers. I still date other women because you never know if you will find someone better or if your current GF will flake.

    I’m not sure, but I think this is known as “cheating.”

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  97. @Firepower – “It rubs the lotion on its skin”

    I got the giggles after that reference thanks! Here’s another:

    Clarice: He kills (texts) women…

    Hannibal Lecter: No. That is incidental. What is the first and principal thing he does? What needs does he serve by killing (texting)?

    Clarice : Anger, um, social acceptance, and, huh, sexual frustrations, sir…

    Wow who knew killing and texting had so much in common? 😉

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  98. lee:
    hey roissy, GUESS WHAT. i hadn’t talked to her for a few days now (we used to talk every day) and she just called me a few minutes ago to ask if i was still coming to see her. she said she had a chance to leave town with friends if i wasn’t. She sounded real sad so i said “whats up you sound weird.” She says, “nothing, i’m just tired.” I say, “Ok, cool, tell me if you don’t want to cuz i gotta make other plans.” Then i said i had to go. She said “Ok, bye” in a super sweet voice.

    ok, you handled this fairly well. not great, but serviceable. she was shit testing you. i wouldn’t have put the ball in her court by leaving the decision to cancel up to her. i would have taken the opportunity to say “yeah i can’t make it, something came up. so go see your friends. we’ll catch up when we’re both free”. essentially, call her bluff. you have her reeling, she’s on the ropes. this is the time to deliver the knockout punch.

    you’ll have to play it cool, now, and wait for her to get back to you with more info about her plans. this puts you in a holding pattern. let us know what happens.

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  99. on September 11, 2009 at 1:23 am PUA in Training

    But what if she had insisted on your real age? What would be the strategic move then? (I’m still new to all of this.)

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  100. two options:
    give her your real age and continue qualifying her as someone who seems sophisticated enough to be in your company.

    or, if you’re considerably older, shave a few years off of the age you give her. lying? you betcha! practically speaking, if the age difference is so great that lying is the better option, then the likelihood of an LTR with her is low. as long as the fling is short, you won’t have to bother with revealing all that much info about yourself, nor will you have to worry about her finding stuff out.

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  101. thought people on this blog might appreciate this hilarious link

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/americans_observing_9_11_by?utm_source=a-section

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  102. Went out on Monday got three numbers. Text dialogue is my follow up to the first girl.

    Red : Lonely black guy seeks sexy young female for company…..

    Girl1 : Ha ha, im sure ur not that lonely. was nice meeting you the other night. im kind of seeing sumone rite now, wish i could be ur sexy female but thats not an option rite now. friend of course plus u neva knw wat the future holds…hpe ur ok thox

    Red : I like how your dangling the carrot in front of me, I bet you had a cheeky grin on your face when you wrote that. Yeah we can be friends but just know I’m number 1 on the waiting list. So if you guys ever call it a day Razzy boi will be there to comfort and love you 😉

    Girl1 : Dangling the carrot, wat made u think that?! lol thats gd to knw ok u have top position on the list, i can tell we are gna be gd friends already!x

    Red : ( I can’t recall fully what I sent back) Glad to hear it. I shall leave you to continue work in your father’s bakery. I will call you on the weekend were we shall converse further…..later!.

    I was running out of heavy artillery so I cut it short to re-engage at a later date. I’ll text her to set up a meet as “friends” and if she meets up I know she likes me for definite and l’ll know how fast I can push it with her in person.

    This is the second girl. I met her inside briefly then met outside again, this time she opened me. We got talking she invited me to a club she was promoting she said Thursday I said Tuesday she said ok. Took her number. First dialogue happened the same night.

    Red : Send me the address to “Herbal”.

    Girl2 : Hey hun its kingsland road its off shoreditch high road just go 2 old street its about 5 mins walk from the station it’ll be electro and techno 2moro with maybe a bit of drum and bassxxx

    Red : Aight. Love the lip ring, its sexy. ( I wrote something else here but can’t remember. My phone doesn’t save sent messages).

    Girl2: sweet start working at 9 it wont get busy till about 11 but give me a ring b4 then cos its buy one get one free drinks 9 – 12 i’ll give u and ur m8s free passes 2 get inxxx

    Red : (no reply)

    This dialogue happened the next day. Went to the venue with three other PUAs. Got to the venue didn’t see her so went in anyways.

    Girl2 : Hey hun where r uxxx

    Red : I’m inside.

    Girl2 : Oh ok well im in brick lanexxx ( 15mins away from the venue.)

    Red : (no reply)

    Girl2 : Will be back at herbal soon 2 pick up more flyers so will come in and say hixxx

    Red : Cool.

    She came in said hello chatted for a bit then went back to the other PUAs and left her.

    Girl2 : Im outsidexxx

    Red : (no reply)

    Girl2 : Ive gone outside hun have to go back and flyer come say bye b4 i goxxx

    Red : ( no reply)

    Girl2 : Have you gone hun ive gota go in a secxxx

    Red : (no reply)

    Waited couple minutes then called her, the phone was ringing as I was walking I saw her through the door and hung up before she could pick up . Talked for a bit then told her I was going to another venue. She finished at 1am so I told her to meet me at my venue when she’s done, she agreed.

    Red : (1:04 am) When are you coming down? There’s no connection inside.

    Girl2 : ( Messaged received at 3:01am ) Hey hun couldnt get hold of u on my way back home nowxxx

    Red: Kinda figured that would happen. We need to set up a more civilised time to meet up. (Can’t remember properly what I wrote here but I’ll paraphrase) We can meet up another time and do something together (original text I know ended with “something” but can’t remember what I wrote in between).

    Girl2 : I work pretty much everyday and reckon im out this weekend 2 but might be free monday night if ur aboutxxx

    Red : Monday night sounds good. I will call you this weekend to see how you are…….( Can’t remember the rest of what I wrote)

    I’ll text her on friday to “check in” and see if she’s still hot same with Girl1. Girl three on the other hand….all I can say is “lol”

    Red : I just saw your twin…………

    Girl3 : (no reply).

    Haven’t texted her since. Back story on girl3. I spent over an hour with this chick. I sexualised, hit on her, amped attraction then isolated for 45 minutes of comfort and I get no reply? Its all in the game I guess.

    One question though. If your grinding with a chick on the dancefloor and you have a hardON do you let her feel it or don’t for fear of creeping her out? Had this situation on Wednesday and didn’t know what to do. Hesitated with escalating her and eventually lost her.

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  103. [editor: you’re putting words in my mouth. i never wrote that the emoticon was the reason for her renewed interest. the texts in their totality is what helped move the seduction forward.]

    well, in any event, the emoticon is the only non-standard, counterintuitive feature of the back and forth,

    [editor: it’s not counterintuitive when you realize what it was designed for: rewarming a cold lead. while emoticons in general should be avoided, refusing to use them 100% of the time because of some self-proclaimed arcane rule of pua-dom is just silly.]

    and it’s the only feature you’ve pointed to as particularly important/unique in creating the necessary vibe for seduction after an 8 day silence.

    [no i didn’t point to the emoticon as the only feature important to creating the necessary vibe. what i wrote is that the emoticon is acceptable and even helpful for reviving cold leads, but plenty of other subcommunications within my texts helped push the process forward.]

    Other than that, everything you wrote is what anyone aware of game would write on the first text communication.

    [aware of game being the key words here. judging by the texts i see guys make to girls, fucking up simple text communication is a widespread problem.]

    it’s still really good stuff, i’m just busting your balls about it because specific tactics on how to ‘reheat’ girls in your phone you’ve forgotten about would be an interesting and useful topic.

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  104. Red Tie–Your banter with Girl 1 struck me as godawful. Lots of subtle problems. Girl 2 wasn’t much better. I’ll leave it to the more trusted commenters here to get into deeper analysis.

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  105. I was actually just thinking about where she went earlier today. Has she not been posting or did Roissy finally decide to ban her completely?

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  106. me too…
    P.S. – Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!

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  107. What’s up with with all the negs to this poor girl – I counted at least 2 or 3. I thought you only neg 8-9-10s, and you said she was a 7…

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  108. 1. If you also did your own comments in bold, they would be a lot easier to find. Pretty please.

    2. On The Office, I love Darryl’s response to Kelly when she breaks up with him over txt: “Cool.” One word game.

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  109. Stone, A neg is a compliment with an negative payload. A backhanded compliment. Towards the end of the conversation, Roissy was being an asshole and also qualifying her — not negging her.

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  110. Red. Awful texting and I cringe reading it just as bad as I cringe reading some my own old beta text exchanges.

    Girl 1 – Your texts are far too long, you DLV yourself (e.g. lonely guy…), you clearly position her as the prize (or carrot, being on her waiting list), and you meekly accept a lightning fast LJBF.

    Girl 2 – Seemed fine, if a little too aloof, until you choded out at the end by sending long texts and betatising

    Girl 3 – A bit too “game” for a first text

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  111. Ever have a girl revive a cold lead? I got a text from a girl (R) I’ve hooked up,(read BJ) but haven’t seen her since May, and though there’s been a few furtive meet up attempts since, I’m really not that interested in her (personality more than looks).

    It’s pretty easy to play aloof and I haven’t really made any effort to see her. This one may not count because it’s not a new girl/her initiation, but you judgemental types can have at me anyhow:

    R: Hey you!

    T: hey stranger whats new

    R: nm…how u been?

    T: very busy – yourself?

    R: Omg.. same here. Feel like time is flying by!

    T: yea fall already

    R: Seriously we didn’t have a summer

    T: you work too much too late, awfully tough to get a hold of, so we should fix it

    R: I couldn’t agree more

    T: so when

    R: U should come by some time

    T: what do you think will happen

    R: u could have a drink with me after work

    T: go on

    R: and maybe I’ll give u a tour of my new apt

    T: hmm maybe – what are the highlights

    R: um me and my comfy bed

    T: Im in when can we plan on it – tomorrow

    R: I think that’ll work..

    (no text).

    Caveat – I’m a bit bored so I stretched this one out, and I’m also 3000 miles away right now, and made plans for tomorrow that I can’t keep. Any great ways to cancel I’d be curious to here, though I really don’t care if I just never call her.

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  112. Oh and to the keyboard alphas – I ask her about when because she bartends random nights, so I can’t really demand her appearance on any given night.

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  113. As far as the age thing — if you’re a lot older than her yet look younger than your age, why not make her guess? If she guesses low, validate her guess. No biggie.

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  114. roissy

    all acts undertaken and attitudes assumed of manliness are done to win access to pussy. that some of these acts are done intentionally to win pussy while other acts are done subconsciously at the behest of our dna is clearly a distinction you are unable to fathom.

    Thank you for proving my point. Your fratboy version of manliness has nothing to do with the real thing.

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  115. the dogma “emoticons are beta” is itself beta

    obviously, a man should use them rarely and the “standard” emoticons even less

    but if you search any emoticon website for some exotic ones, special emoticons, then they have a HUGE effect on women

    example: a girl texted me asking where I was, last sunday around 1 PM. I texted her back 1 minute later “stoned [when I write the word stoned “ressaca” immediately appear an emoticon of a funny looking drunk guy] in Floripa “. And I turned of the phone. When I woke up 3 hours laters, she had answered another minute later, a long message with laughs

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  116. Roissy himself used a fat woman emoticon in Roosh´s website long time ago in a discussion with a fat woman and Roosh considered the timing/choice of emoticon just perfect. I totally agreed with Roosh

    rare and special emoticons can be used to devastating effects

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  117. I REALLY miss LR – she was the only person I could be appropriately beotchy with. She’s not writing on her blog either – not that I’d go there. No uh uh.

    Can’t speak for Roissy but I don’t believe he’d ban her (or anyone), he simply pared her posts down. Last I heard she was moving.

    In the interest of research I just visited her My Space (someone had to okay!) and she hasn’t been there since August 15. Something’s up people. This woman looooved attention, unlike me the quiet church mouse type.

    Maybe she was a creation in someone’s wild imagination and now they’ve gone on to other projects. Interestingly Mandy XD vanished around the same time. And she wrote on LR’s blog a lot. Were they the same person? If so kudos! Brilliant!!

    I’m also Ghost of Nicole.

    If you believe that I have some gorgeous property to sell you in Alberta comes complete with its own ocean view. (Insert whatever appropriate emoticon you’d like)

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  118. Hurry up on the book, R.

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  119. roissy,

    i love your work, read it all the time. its both informative and funny, and the insights i’ve gained through your experience have been enlightening, far more useful than not. i truly think that you make the world a better place with this blog, although, for a number of reasons my perspective is perhaps skewed. here’s the but…’i was the incredibly suave guy’, ‘“stud” he’s a ladykiller. Just like his dad’. whether its true or not, whenever i hear this talk-myself-up shit, an unstoppable urge to unleash verbal, ego-stripping abuse rages to the fore that i can’t actually help myself. well, i probably could if i didn’t find the sound of them choking on their silent tears so satisfying. this goes for friend and foe alike, although with friends its not as satisfying so i prefer to tone it down. i guess what i’m trying to say is, keep up the good work and i hope never to meet you as a stranger

    with love
    UB

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  120. I know it’s off topic, but I know you guys will have fun with it.
    http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-41910.html

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  121. aoefe

    imho “rudy”=mandy xd

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  122. How about a post on 9/11 game?

    “So where were you went it happened?”

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  123. Another great Theodore Dalrymple piece about out-of-control women who are created, trained, nourished, and supported by modern fembo-inspired legislation:

    http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1204td.html

    ********************

    The second case involved Shannon Matthews, whose story—what parts of it were then known—I also related previously in City Journal. Earlier this month, her mother Karen went on trial for maltreating her. According to the prosecutor, Karen, who has seven children by five different men and who lives entirely on Social Security, organized the kidnapping, drugging, and sequestration of nine-year-old Shannon, in concert with the uncle of her current boyfriend. It turns out that the object of their plot was to raise $75,000 by public appeal for knowledge of the whereabouts of Shannon, who was later to be released and then “found” by the uncle, who would claim the reward…..

    ***************

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  124. @dana

    Rudy = Mandy XD very interesting, I’ll have to pay better attention.

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  125. Ouch, Seeking Alpha, maybe too soon.

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  126. I’m in my early thirties, and I’ve found that most female friend of mine in my age group are severely adverse to texting. They all want you to call, and think txting is a sign of disrespect or timidity. Personally, I’ve always dated younger girls, so i don’t care about what the women my age think, I just think its an interesting generational difference. In my opinion, if a woman is over 30, she should be fucking exhilarated to get any communication from a man, but for some reason a lot of my over 30 female friends still think they are hot shit and that some millionaire famous guy with perfect teeth is going to fall madly in love with their shriveled up snatches and is going to fawn all over them and call them religiously. They just can’t seem to figure out why they only get the txt followed by the P&D.

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  127. TXATYALPHA

    I’m in my early thirties, and I’ve found that most female friend of mine in my age group are severely adverse to texting.

    It’s their arthritis

    mout

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  128. ASDF

    I am a huge fan of texting, and have completely quit phoning girls. What comes off as more timid? A clever text or a rambling phone message? Then you have to wait for the call back…

    Texting is way better than leaving a phone message. But no where near as good as good phone. If you’re a guy that can do good phone. Good phone is incredibly seductive. Of course in person is better and leads to the goodness.

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  129. Younger women — the best kind – won’t subtract points like they used to if you arrange dates through text.

    Cool, calculating, idiotic.

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  130. I’m tempted to make a submission. I got an online response to my message saying something like “Did you look at my height? I’m to tall for you.” and I busted her on it…with the email exchange being half a dozen responses…and while she did get pissed off…I now have a date with her tonight. 🙂

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