Ephemeral Art

A lovely and talented Canadian reader dear to me (she did my About picture) sent me a link to this incredible video of a 24 year old Ukrainian woman making on-the-fly sand paintings in time with symphony music.

She started doing these paintings a year ago on the beach. One of her 20 second paintings is worth more than all the postmodern sludge of the past 30 years.

kseniya-simonova

The matter is settled. Russian and Ukrainian women have been genetically selected for exquisite beauty above and beyond the call of duty.





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  1. Yes — or follow our black Limpopo’s false
    Discussion with its seizures of the face
    To no end, cast on cataracting loss
    The tinder poles and folding tent of verse —

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  2. on September 26, 2009 at 6:17 pm dirtyharrycallahan

    her ice queen intensity would wither most advances from American men. She’d be a serious get.

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  3. on September 26, 2009 at 6:32 pm aussie girl in australia

    Wow.
    Thankyou for posting this.
    Tears in my eyes.
    She is beautiful and so is her art.

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  4. R., this is amazing. Thanks for posting.

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  5. wow

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  6. If she were not pretty, if she were some middle aged man, she’d be sand painting on the sidewalk in hopes of collecting coins.

    [editor: how many people can do this type of art? and do it well under pressure and time constraints? but, yeah, you have a point.]

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  7. To Roissy :

    Is this a solid admission that Russian and Ukranian women beat out Filipina, Thai, Mediterranean, Ethiopian and Brazilian women in the “If I Had to Marry…” category?

    [editor: if any woman can weaken my powers of bachelorhood it would be a russkie or kiev-ian beauty. not that i would toss a spanish hoochie mama out of bed for eating churros.]

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  8. If she were not pretty, if she were some middle aged man, she’d be sand painting on the sidewalk in hopes of collecting coins.

    That’s true; and that’s as it should be.

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  9. @ FeministXXX:

    It is also true that if you were a young attractive female you would not be blogging.

    Instead, you are a young short feminist sludge bucket who could not get my penis up even if it were injected with cocaine.

    Toodles.

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  10. on September 26, 2009 at 7:01 pm gunslingergregi

    Why woman and men will never be “equal” woman are born with the money maker. Guys have to actually work for shit. Although it is what makes guys naturally stronger. Yin Yang I wreckin.

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  11. Yes it’s true Roissy! Nice video. There’s another one but this time I think it is from Czechs doing the same to the sound of Vivaldi’s Four Seasons. Great “paintings”. Just search Vivaldi plus Czech in Youtube.

    There is such a superiority in the Eastern Half of Europe that… it blows me away…

    My “ten” is a great example of Eastern European Superiority.

    By the way, I’ve just come from a bad approach (terrible body language, too nervous, sweating. I think I was even creepy! And then, I would melt away with smiles in front of the girl. I was horrible.) on a 20 y.o. Ukrainian girl so… a seven or an eight…

    What staggered me was that despite all my lacks of game: Really bad body language and a way to offensive neg from the blue because I didn’t think she was a sweet European.

    What staggered me was that despite all my lack of game she would push me away, try to end converstation but STILL was replying and complying! Do you have any idea what such a mix result means?

    Ex:

    Me: So… you’re foreing aren’t you?

    Her: Yes.

    Me: And…

    Her: …

    Me: So… where are you from, what’s your country?

    Her: (laughs, takes her sunglasses off and tries to intimidate me with strong eye contact) I am from Ukraine…

    Me: (hold strong eye contact, although smiling too much some times) I see… so, and from where in Ukraine are you from?

    Her: What?

    Me: Where are you from? Ukraine is a large country. Will you tell me where you’re from or are you going to make me ask for your name first?

    Her: (laughs) I’m K.

    Me: Okay… I’m X. So you’re not telling me where you’re from. I already know you’re not from a big city, right? You’re a country girl…

    Her: (laughs) yes I’m not from a big centre…
    You don’t know Ukraine so I am not telling where I’m from…

    —–

    The results were so mixed. She was not responding well but was complying to some extent. What happened? It seemed to me that she was not too confortable and that she was not in the mood to be in that conversation or making friends. But… why were the results so mixed? Any Idea?

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  12. Dogen,

    “That’s true; and that’s as it should be.”

    Fuck You.

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  13. Also: sometimes a middle-aged man painting things like this on the boardwalk it doing so because being beat down in life has given him a wistful sense of beauty. Or maybe he’s spent a lot of time looking at the ocean and thinking. Or he’s lost someone dear to him. Or…

    Part of what makes it remarkable is her beauty, but not in the sense you might expect.

    Making simple, beautiful things (and no, twee hipster finch-and-tree-branch collages in brown and light blue, and Youtube noise-fuck splatter paintings don’t count) is lost on most pretty young women (especially in America, I would venture) because they are so convinced that they are the center of the universe they’re incapable of simple grace or gestures of beauty. They don’t give a fuck. Of the young pretty women from certain striver social classes that DO try hard in life are generally not creating beauty; they are gaming the college grading system, snagging coveted internships, or writing snappy blogs as they troll for book deals.

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  14. What staggered me was that despite all my lack of game she would push me away, try to end converstation but STILL was replying and complying! Do you have any idea what such a mix result means?

    when i was dating east euro women i noticed they would do this. it’s a head game they play. russkies do push pull very well. they’ll play with you for a bit to see what you’re made of. it looks like you did ok with this girl. when she said “I’m not telling you where i’m from” that was a good opportunity to drop a neg on her. “oh, it must be one of those quaint towns with no indoor plumbing.”

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  15. Roissy. I am just new in college. I can’t even find the classrooms properly…
    She was a somewhat hot girl that seemed to go to the same classroom I was going to. She stood there, I stood there.

    After some twenty minutes I came to her (awfull body language and stuff) and asked her:

    “Sorry, you’re going to have X class, right?”

    To which she replied “yes” and seemed surprised for me to go talking to her. I didn’t notice she was Eastern European otherwise I’d not throw such a violent neg as I threw:

    I immediately said “Ok. So… it’s not my business but (smiling) WHY THE HELL DON’T YOU GET IN??”

    (at this time there were another two girls inside the classroom).

    I think this would do well in a “bitchy” Western European girl because of the dominance and the “funny” of the situation. To an Eastern European, I think it is a little of a lack of respect…

    And that’s how I opened her and started this interaction. Thanks for your reply anyway.

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  16. Not really related, but as long as we’re appreciating things contributed to the world by Russia and items of Manhood…

    Izmash Arms, production company of one of my favorite rifle carbine series, the AK-family, has declared bankruptcy.

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/22/izhmash-official-maker-of-the-ak-and-saiga-rifles-filed-for-bankruptcy/

    Mikhail Kalashnikov, the original designer of the AK-47 and the AKM assault carbines, sort of damned his own pursuits by creating such an rugged and easily copied firearm.

    May some wise and deserving defense conglomerate snatch up Izmash and start producing AK-series firearms that have full parts interchangeability with their forebearers.

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  17. ok, yeah, because of the cultural wall it’s a good idea to avoid hardcore negging an east euro girl right off the bat. but once a convo is started it’s ok to tease them. just be aware that some types of negs and teasing are a very western style of humor that can backfire on a foreign chick, especially those who come from small towns.

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  18. 7:24 sounded like nothing else matters
    Pretty chick, pretty art

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  19. The anti-German theme of her ‘paintings’ is pretty offensive. Especially considering the Ukranians suffered tens of millions of dead at the hands of the Jewish-led NKVD/Soviet forces.

    I guess I have to ask: is she Jewish? She certainly reminds me of Mila Kunis, whom I met a few years ago at my parents’ house and who, when I wished her ‘Merry Christmas’, rudely informed me that she’s Jewish and therefore doesn’t recognise Christmas. Bitch.

    Forget about Simonova, though. Check out the blonde European women in the audience. Wow!

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  20. Mila Kunis, I should add, is also from the Ukraine.

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  21. “The anti-German theme of her ‘paintings’ is pretty offensive.”

    Ahahahaha

    you’re offended at something seeming anti-german to you? You hate blacks and secretly think everyone is a scheming jew. Fuck yourself in the ass you pansy little rich boi.

    “ewww I met Mila Kunis what a JEWBAG. She’s never coming to mommy’s christmas parties again. Now excuse me I have to go snort some cocaine that I bought with daddy’s money”

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  22. They make amazing escorts too (as I have often said before).

    //if any woman can weaken my powers of bachelorhood it would be a russkie or kiev-ian beauty.//

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  23. Thank you for posting this.

    It is exhilirating to see first-rate human talent.

    As Roissy noted, these were done under pressure at speed.

    As much as I like Master Dogen, I must admit that I’d still be impressed if a middle-aged man were creating such inspiring art. However her intoxicating beauty on top of her hard work/gifts makes her performance extrodinary to behold.

    That video is a testement to what beautiful, capable beings humans are.

    I hope she has several children. The world needs more like her.

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  24. There’s a particular eastern european chick that just gets to me. Her voice sounds like a bird’s song… her little giggle and smile when you make solid eye contact stops my heart. Here’s my problem. She’s really hard to read. We’ve been bantering for a while now and finally it just came over me and I decided that I couldn’t stand it anymore. I know I’m attractive enough, projected a fun enough personality with big-time social proof, and confidently projected enough about me to set any hypergamic gina tingle off. I swear she’s flirting back but now I’m not so sure.

    Usually the smile with eye contact like that is a solid IOI, so I got her # and time&place for a date, but then she not only flaked on me…. her excuse sounded lame. So I took it as a polite “no”.

    I see her a couple times a week and haven’t asked her out since. The first couple weeks after she flaked she seemed to avoid me and even seemed to make an annoyed facial expression at me once… but then she warmed up again. I swear she’s flirting hard at me again. I’m usually quite good at reading women but I’m not sure if this is a cultural thing and she’s just being friendly or what. On one hand I think she’s just not interested…. on the other hand I wonder if she was in a complicated romantic situation (she just got out of a serious LTR) a couple months ago and decided to flake then and now that situation has resolved.

    Did I screw up for not ripping her harder for flaking?

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  25. I’m from Ukraine and we’re all used to the bitch shields and icy personalities.

    If you show any signs of any betaness, you’re out. No second chances.

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  26. Ah, well, that was amazing. Just fucking amazing.
    I could watch that again and again.

    And yes, she is a beautiful girl – but there are zillions of beautiful girls in the world……but there are not many that can express that beauty the way this girl did through her unique art. THAT is true beauty.

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  27. LoserDogg ~ “Did I screw up for not ripping her harder for flaking?”

    Dude, the fact you have to ask in the first place means you’re a beta. You seem hesitant and confused. Forget it. Find a nice Chinese peasant instead.

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  28. @jscore

    “If you show any signs of any betaness, you’re out. No second chances.”

    @#$%!

    That sucks… but that’s what I figured. Should have asked her out 1st thing even though it just seemed too inappropriate then because she clearly was a taken woman.

    Oh well…. she ain’t the only game in town….

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  29. “Dude, the fact you have to ask in the first place means you’re a beta. ”

    That’s part of the problem… other chicks I can totally own…. but I think I got a little too damn gaga over her. This chick is kryptonite for my alpha cock. I better flee like a scalded cat.

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  30. Yes, you’re thinking straight here. Don’t get gaga over ANY chick. Find some nice, innocent girl and bang her brains out to take your mind off this Eastern European hottie. Ignore her.

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  31. Wow, that is an amazing talent. Thanks for posting it.
    By the way, what is the name of the song and/or composer at 2:30?

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  32. Roissy, if you recognize the inherent badassness of ukrainian/russian women then why do you downplay the importance of raw intellegence in attracting women?

    Its my experience that ukrainian/russian women associate intellectual prowess with male dominance.

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  33. If you are enchante by beautiful Russian women singing beautiful songs, then check this link out..

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  34. on September 26, 2009 at 10:17 pm zunderdownunder

    Ah, well done Justin!

    Черт возьми я делая здесь, и не сверх в Россия?!

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  35. not that i would toss a spanish hoochie mama out of bed for eating churros

    Ahh, yes, the Spanish hoochie mama. Likely to have nails, heels, makeup, and sexy clothes, but generally likely to want strong alpha male (or be super golddigger with a beta), say “papi” which is down right scary, and would basically ensure that my kids will never have a three-digit IQ score.

    And yes, the Russian girl is pretty and artistically talented.

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  36. DA: “And yes, the Russian girl is pretty and artistically talented”

    “Pretty”? ‘Artisticically talented”?
    No mate.

    She is fucking BEAUTIFUL, and her artwork is OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD!

    Sometimes hyperbole is overused, but not in this case.

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  37. Ukraine.

    Even the crazy feminist dykes are hotties!

    http://tinyurl.com/y8wa7lh

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  38. “Russian and Ukrainian women have been genetically selected for exquisite beauty above and beyond the call of duty.”

    Oh! Now I get it! The Russian government has been engaging in eugenics! (Probably because of the Chernobyl incident.) That explains an awful lot!

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  39. Gil,

    There is something different about the women there. I don’t think it is genetic but the epidemic of fatness and western woman bitchiness syndrome has just not set in over there. I can’t fucking stand how lazy and vapid American women are. And it is getting worse. I had one chew me out the other day and I just said “LAZY CUNT!” and walked away.

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  40. Beautiful girl, nice music, obviously very talented.

    BUT

    she’s got a bald spot.

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  41. No she hasnt. thats the lighting that makes it look like a little bald spot dummy.

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  42. Wow. Just, wow!

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  43. improv artists work by memorising a fixed set of motions and planned responses, and this must be considered when viewing her sand-art. she follows a decision tree much as improv comedians (that are successful) do, and this does not diminish her talent, but it does mean her talent is not so unique as all that.

    also, bangs hide massive facial flaws, and girlfriend is only considered hottt because of her ethnic background and unhealthy slimness (sister has no muscle tone).

    still, a charming video to watch on a late night.

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  44. Watched it with no sound. The multitudes of crying females turned me off. The Ukrainian girl is certainly crafty, but then aren’t all women?

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  45. “would basically ensure that my kids will never have a three-digit IQ score.”

    Assortative mating dictates that one’s spouse in unlikely to be more than ~12 IQ points lower. At a certain point (20 pts. or so difference?) communication is going to be very difficult.

    Another depressing fact for high IQ males —

    Average IQ of women is 4 pts. lower, with a smaller SD (14.)

    Hence, the average woman has an IQ of 98. A woman 1.5 SD above the mean has an IQ of 119.

    That’s 93.3 percentile.

    So if you have an IQ of 131, the pool of suitable spouses is reduced to roughly 6.7% of the population.

    And it gets worse the higher you climb, obviously.

    High IQ males often have the following options:

    a) Marry someone of suitable intelligence, with less than desirable physical traits (overweight, unattractive.)

    b) Marry someone attractive but incompatible intellectually. Tantamount to being lonely in your marriage.

    c) Stay single, dumb down temporarily to bag babes, repeat as needed.

    I wonder if Roissy’s alpha philosophy is more precisely a high IQ alpha philosophy? If my calculations are correct, finding a suitable partner becomes very difficult for very high IQ men.

    In other words it’s an adaptation by high IQ males.

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  46. i enjoyed some of the comments posted on youtube …to the effect of:

    “FAKE! CGI-IED BULLSHIT!”

    i love this country. i seriously do. friendliest people in the world. CHICAGO.

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  47. am i alone in finding the “art” a bit saccharine and overwraught here? she is certainly good at what she does but i can’t say i was particularly moved by her canned nationalist sand narrative (esp. at the end when she daubs “1946” over the happy ending in case anyone had missed the point). it was like a Russian version of the film “Pearl Harbor”.

    in the interests of historical accuracy, she might at least have had the returning soldier whisked away to a gulag to avoid corrupting his martyred people… finally, what’s with the bib?

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  48. “Another depressing fact for high IQ males –

    Average IQ of women is 4 pts. lower, with a smaller SD (14.)”

    But it seems to me that much (or most) of the difference is typically in men’s superior spacial relations/mathematical abilities.

    So for example, my SO and I can have an intelligent conversation even though I’m probably significantly higher than her in IQ. Of course, her map-reading skills are shockingly poor.

    So I don’t think things are as bad for high IQ men as you make them out to be.

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  49. That chick is ethnically russian, not ukrainian btw, and is completely average looking, as is mila kunic (who is jewish btw). All is fawning is completely pathetic.

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  50. on September 27, 2009 at 4:24 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    High IQ males often have the following options:

    a) Marry someone of suitable intelligence, with less than desirable physical traits (overweight, unattractive.)

    b) Marry someone attractive but incompatible intellectually. Tantamount to being lonely in your marriage.

    c) Stay single, dumb down temporarily to bag babes, repeat as needed.

    You appear to be assuming an inverse correlation between intelligence and attractiveness/fitness.

    For attractiveness, this is ridiculous, unless you consider anyone under a 9 “unattractive”.

    As for “overweight” … um, what strange planet are you from, where all the smart chicks are fat?

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  51. The artist is desirable because:
    a. She is quite pretty
    b. She has talent
    c. She is essentially a storyteller (and storytellers always captivate us)
    d. Her stories are VERY old fashioned and conservative in a positive sense. They include a deeply patriotic theme (for an Ukrainian), combined with an old fashioned love story (girl loves guy, girl gets pregnant, guy goes to war to defend the fatherland, girl stays behind and protects the child, guy gets killed, baby is born, girl stays a widow and never forgets guy. Total absense of sluttery here.
    The artist conservative worldview is also shown in another story about a child who grows to be a famous artist but forgets about his old peasant parents until it is too late. VERY old fashioned.

    Now when you have a beautiful girl from a small town, center stage presenting in a very beautiful way her stories inbued with the old fasioned morality of her peasant grandparents (woman love your man and your family, man fight for the fatherland, honor your parents etc) … no stardom, no big slutty smiles, no career nonsense…. well it’s quite easy to fall in love.

    The artist is dangerous as a woman – she has power – she could entrap me veeeeery easily. And I could end up married with her.

    Give me back my female lawyer bitches – THEY are powerless and safe to play with. I would never fall in love with them.

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  52. “am i alone in finding the “art” a bit saccharine and overwraught here? ”

    Not really. The candle was a bit much. And I’m skeptical that she’s just someone who started doing sand drawings on the beach a year ago. Sounds like a story someone cooked up.

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  53. “The anti-German theme of her ‘paintings’ is pretty offensive. Especially considering the Ukranians suffered tens of millions of dead at the hands of the Jewish-led NKVD/Soviet forces.”

    This is one of the most idiotic comments I have seen in quite a while.

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  54. Ah, you know….I find some of the comments on here disturbing.

    You know what…this Ukranian gal and her remarkable talent leaves Suzanne Boyle up the river without a paddle back at Weightwatchers where the fat, mildy talented sow belongs……… but because this bird is a beauty with a fucking unreal talent, some fucking closet homos and / or feminazi bush bitches have to get all snidey with fucking amateurish immature inane comments like this……………
    “and is completely average looking, as is mila kunic (who is jewish btw). All is fawning is completely pathetic”………

    or this……………
    “am i alone in finding the “art” a bit saccharine and overwraught here? she is certainly good at what she does but i can’t say i was particularly moved by her canned nationalist sand narrative”……..

    Sheesh, I’d like to meet some of you “tough cunts” that comment on this blog in person (cunts being used in a unisex term in this context)and see how tough you are…..

    I have more respect for the extreme Rightwing nutcases I was arguing with a couple weeks back…at least they “believe” in something…what do you fucks that are dissing this Ukraine gal, believe in? If you can’t find magic in what this bird does, then you are well on the way to be souless walking cadavers. Find the nearest fucking bridge and jump.

    Lets have more of this sort of stuff, Roissy. Your Game talk is highly entertaining and informative and sometimes/usually very fucking funny – but you and “finefantastic” excelled yourselves here.

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  55. Anonymous: “The artist is dangerous as a woman – she has power – she could entrap me veeeeery easily. And I could end up married with her.

    Give me back my female lawyer bitches – THEY are powerless and safe to play with. I would never fall in love with them.”
    ~
    LOL. good shit bro. real good.
    You are welcome to a beer downunder on me, if ever down these parts.

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  56. Really enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting!

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  57. Z-Under: hate to break the news, but being a dolt doesn’t actually increase your chances of fucking this chick (or any other, for that matter). 😦

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  58. Vivaldi’s Four Seasons, “Autumn” to sand animation by one of the best in the genre:

    I almost forgot how much I loved art.

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  59. Watching the above link, I wonder how sand animation evolved. It seems like it would be good accompaniment for oral tradition in the lack of video technology.

    “Drawing a line in the sand” seems likes an old idea, but how about illustrating a peoples’ history in the sand?

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  60. It would be very easy to gain some extra appreciation of this Ukrainian girl’s talent by simply trying what she does. Throw some sand on a tabletop and try drawing things, with other people present, complete strangers included, and if they all run for their video cameras and proclaim you a great talent who should be on Youtube immediately, perhaps you are her equal.

    If not, you’ll at least have gained some feeling for her skill.

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  61. She’s amazing. Also, I have a huge crush on this girl, an extremely talented violinist who covers video game themes. If music be the food of love…

    Assortative mating dictates that one’s spouse in unlikely to be more than ~12 IQ points lower. […]

    I wonder if Roissy’s alpha philosophy is more precisely a high IQ alpha philosophy? If my calculations are correct, finding a suitable partner becomes very difficult for very high IQ men.

    My IQ is 152 (adulthood deviation scale) and most of the women I’ve dated have been 125-140. I can’t speak for actual geniuses (165+) but, for me, IQ 125 is enough. It might make it hard to discuss whether lambda-calculus or the Turing machine is a better representation of computation, but we’re essentially equal when it comes to any non-technical arena of discussion. I’d much rather marry a woman at 125 with incredible musical or artistic talent, than a biglaw man-girl at 140.

    What sucks for a man of 150+ IQ is not the lack of suitable women, but that it intimidates the shit out of people– it’s like being 7 feet tall– and the assumption in SWPL culture that intelligence requires social ineptitude starts you off on a terrible footing. People, if they’re not comfortable with you, are waiting for you to fuck up socially. Among American white girls, even those with 135+ IQs are more responsive to smiling, sub-120 IQ douchebags than to genuinely intelligent men.

    To the extent that I use “game” at all, it’s to hide my “gifted” status. I’d never want to be a smiling douchebag, but I try to learn what I can from that type of man.

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  62. […] Also from Roissy, this video featuring Ukrainian sand painting artist Kseniya Simonova: […]

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  63. Cless: am I right to assume that people are intimidated by your 7 foot tall intelligence because, as here, you feel a need to remind them of this fact? if so, you are one smooth dude…

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  64. Cless: am I right to assume that people are intimidated by your 7 foot tall intelligence because, as here, you feel a need to remind them of this fact? if so, you are one smooth dude…

    The shirts don’t help. I have three of them, each with my IQ printed on the front in huge block letters. It looks like a sports jersey. On the back, it says, “it’s my IQ, moron!” I need to stop wearing those. Unfortunately, they’re the only three shirts I own so, until the holidays, I have no other options. Smart and poor; double pwned.

    Ok, you raise an important point. How does the girl know about my “7 foot tall” IQ? She doesn’t. She doesn’t know if it’s 140 or 150 or 180. She knows it’s a fair reach higher than hers, and a lot of women find this very intimidating. If you are “too smart”, from a girl’s perspective, you become a “brain in a jar”, not a sexual creature.

    Most women I’m going to be dating are in the 125-140 IQ range– not dumb by any stretch of the imagination. On the contrary, they’re pretty well used to being the smarter person in every relationship they’ve had. That’s strike one against a guy like me, right off the bat.

    Women’s notorious “hypergamy”, for the record, applies to social status but not intelligence. If anything, when choosing among men of equal social status, women prefer to be slightly hypogamous when it comes to raw intelligence, because of the (slight) negative correlation between IQ and “masculinity” in men. This is why unabashed slutbags gravitate toward real estate money– money without brains.

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  65. “But it seems to me that much (or most) of the difference is typically in men’s superior spacial relations/mathematical abilities.”

    It probably is. I wonder if this difference is as trivial as people make it out to be. You may not talk math with your woman, but difference in math ability = difference in comprehending and perceiving the world?

    “You appear to be assuming an inverse correlation between intelligence and attractiveness/fitness.”
    For attractiveness, this is ridiculous, unless you consider anyone under a 9 “unattractive”.

    Obviously, there are no studies on women whom we classify here as (let’s say 7.5/8 and above) and have an IQ 2 SD above the mean. But basic probability and experience dictates their numbers are not huge.

    “As for “overweight” … um, what strange planet are you from, where all the smart chicks are fat?”

    All the smart chicks aren’t fat. I don’t think all the smart chicks are necessarily much more skinny than chicks of average IQ.

    I speak from the planet of personal experience. Go to any DC bar where these smart chicks supposedly hang out, and I will be vindicated. Beautiful AND fit and smart is just rare.

    And if you say, oh, not all of them go to bars, well, in my experience those are pretty rare for house parties as well.

    I’m not saying they DON’T EXIST, my point is, their numbers ARE relatively small to be problematic. And we haven’t even begun to discuss personality.

    “My IQ is 152 (adulthood deviation scale) and most of the women I’ve dated have been 125-140.”

    So…how do they rate appearance-wise? 🙂

    “I can’t speak for actual geniuses (165+) but, for me, IQ 125 is enough.”

    It’s interesting to look at Langan’s case — he appears to have picked a woman based on high IQ primarily.

    “What sucks for a man of 150+ IQ is not the lack of suitable women, but that it intimidates the shit out of people”

    Why would you tell anyone what your IQ is? Of course they’re going to be intimidated.

    “Among American white girls, even those with 135+ IQs are more responsive to smiling, sub-120 IQ douchebags than to genuinely intelligent men.”

    Yeah, no shit. They’ll go gina tingly over their “Tom Cruise smile”, fuck the shit out of them for a month, then start complaining they’re dumb. Which brings us to game:

    “To the extent that I use “game” at all, it’s to hide my “gifted” status. I’d never want to be a smiling douchebag, but I try to learn what I can from that type of man.”

    Exactly. And that brings us to #3 on my list of options. In marriage, that kind of hiding has to be virtually permanent, as people have to be comfortable being themselves.

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  66. IQ is meaningless.. but admitting that would destroy your make believe world.

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  67. on September 27, 2009 at 3:06 pm zunderdownunder

    “IF”

    Yeah, OK. Of course you are a stud, aye dude. You are probably banging some 19 year old eastern euro hottie as I type.

    Let me when your “book” comes out.

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  68. Ukraine and Russia both have a lot of really smart women. They’re beautiful and can do math. Most of them are pleasant and approachable. Best of all,thez have never heard of multiculturalism or post modernism. What a relief that is!

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  69. he knows it’s a fair reach higher than hers, and a lot of women find this very intimidating. If you are “too smart”, from a girl’s perspective, you become a “brain in a jar”, not a sexual creature.

    What type of women are you dating? I have never experienced intimidation lowering sexual appeal. Yes, if you start breaking out some esoteric shit that no one else cares about its going to tank you.

    Or, if you talk constantly to show off your intelligence.

    However, being sharp is definitely a plus with most women. For Eastern European especially EE Jewish women, it is a major factor. The women in this group, that I have met, don’t respect men that are clearly not as sharp as they are.

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  70. “IQ is meaningless.. but admitting that would destroy your make believe world.”

    Your statement is meaningless without further elaboration.

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  71. Zunderownunder,

    Im going to say “no” here. But that’s because I can’t read cyrillic.

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  72. IQ is meaningful.. but admitting that would destroy your make believe world.

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  73. Zunder: Way off. I was bangin’ your momma.

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  74. I didn’t even have an appreciation for art until I visited the art market in Tbilisi, Georgia several years ago. Been to eastern Europe twice, and I own a few pieces of art from that part of the world. Absolutely amazing stuff. And don’t get me started on the quality of the women there…..

    I go to my favorite brunch spot most Sundays here in the states. Excellent food, but the “art” they slap on the walls by local artists is complete garbage.

    I feel sorry for anyone with such a poor sense of aesthetics as to pay $1200 for a gaudy, oversized finger painting. Waste of good canvas, most of it.

    I’m not a facebook whore, but I think I’m gonna have to post this vid to elicit a few tears from the females.

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  75. Russians = better-looking, smarter, and more talented than everybody else

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  76. Long live the Eastern European women and their legendary beauty, goodness and simplicity!

    May God save them from multiculturalism and feminism for all the eternity!

    May their honour and genetic quality rise even more while their numbers rise exponentially!!

    Than you, Lord.

    *May I get “my” ten! (please…)

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  77. It’s interesting to look at Langan’s case — he appears to have picked a woman based on high IQ primarily.

    Off-topic:

    Yes, lets look at Langan’s case. Despite his stratospheric raw intelligence, the man has never done anything particularly worthwhile with it. He’s just one guy in a long line of idiosyncratic thinkers with theories of life, universe and everything.

    It doesn’t take a super high IQ to think abstract philosophical thoughts. And philosophy is a relatively fruitless endeavor. It’s basically handwaving easily turning into dogmae without constant input from science and experience in general.

    Where ultra-high raw intelligence really makes a difference is the handling of complexity. Langan’s abilities would probably have maximum impact in the field of mathematics.

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  78. @justin – I think it’s “tyomnaya noch'”, a well-known and sentimental song popular in the Soviet Union during WWII. Sort of the “Lily Marlene” of the USSR, something the soldiers would sing or listen to to remind themselves of their homes and girlfriends.

    having lived in that part of the world, this kind of art (the skill of this particular performer and the unusual medium of sand notwithstanding) is the fairly standard kind of kitsch you see on every street corner. the Soviet-style sentimentality and nostalgia fairly typical these days as well.

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  79. “Yes, lets look at Langan’s case. Despite his stratospheric raw intelligence, the man has never done anything particularly worthwhile with it. He’s just one guy in a long line of idiosyncratic thinkers with theories of life, universe and everything.”

    That’s a completely different topic than what we’ve been discussing. Obviously super high IQ doesn’t guarantee fame, fortune or professional recognition. The point I was making is that, yeah, for high IQ males there’s likely a price to pay when it comes to marriage.

    How many well-known pick-up gurus are dunces? That’s a pretty high-IQ kind of business. Mystery has pioneered a whole glossary of PU terms. Ross Jeffries is no dummy, and neither is Gunwitch (despite the redneck trappings.)

    How many of those guys are now happily married?

    If you don’t want to compromise, you’re SOL.

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  80. Wow

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  81. IQ is correlated with your ability to solve culture specific puzzles- cleverness.

    Intelligence is the ability to see beyond the puzzles, and I have mentioned that fact more than a few times in my replies.

    So called high IQ persons are often stupid, dogmatic and short-sighted. There is a reason that experts fail to predict the course of events.. they think they know.

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  82. “IQ is correlated with your ability to solve culture specific puzzles- cleverness.”

    This doesn’t make any sense. I had never seen a typical visuospatial IQ subtest before I took one recently. Exactly how did my “culture” prepare me to take one? Either it’s “cleverness” or it’s “culture” — pick one.

    “Intelligence is the ability to see beyond the puzzles, and I have mentioned that fact more than a few times in my replies.”

    That’s very nice, but by all known measures great “intelligence” (and by the way, great talent in almost any field) require a threshold IQ considerably above average.

    “So called high IQ persons are often stupid, dogmatic and short-sighted. There is a reason that experts fail to predict the course of events.. they think they know.”

    “Predicting the course of events” in a stochastic process is quite difficult. And even high IQ people have psychological blindspots. Experts are paid to confidently pretend they know what’s going to happen, which is hardly a given in complex system.

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  83. A quick look at Cless Alvein’s blog is all that’s needed to show that high IQ is worthless.

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  84. Glad to see REAL ART!!!!!!!!!!!!

    thx roissy and thx roissy’s friend.

    It reminds me of when I did drawings when little, I would changed them as the “story” developed. I need to get back to drawing that way, things end up looking alive, moving.

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  85. on September 28, 2009 at 4:08 am unlearning genius

    “g” correlates with nature but it does not account for nurture. “g” measures skill sub-units .. pattern recognition, classification and grouping and some amount of organizational skill … The highly skilled practitioners in any human endeavor are a combination of nature and nurture …. I am unsure if there is a more domain general way to capture the notion of “intelligence”. .. a way to assess one’s meta cognitive ability in conjunction with raw skills.

    As far as mate selection and “g” .. a high mating success should imply higher “g” ..by way of higher social success .. and so studies looking for correlation will find it .. however i believe this is a correlation and not a causation. Thus “g” can at best be only a weak predictor.

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  86. on September 28, 2009 at 5:05 am You Know I'm Right

    The Ukrainians are a great people who have their nation torn apart by Communists, Jews (often Commie Jews), hypercapitalist pigs, rapacious Russians, and various internationalist plunderers — they’ve been persecuted and even starved en masse, forcibly urbanized, had their land taken from them, and so on…yet they still manage to bounce back. Yes, the Ukrainians are a great people.

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  87. um, let’s not forget the nazis while we’re at it…

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  88. “um, let’s not forget the nazis while we’re at it…”

    The evil commie Jews forced the hapless Nazis to oppress the noble Ukranian narod. C’mon, read your history…

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  89. Check this webiste out for the oodles of gorgeous Russian women therein.

    http://russianwomen.wordpress.com/

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  90. “7:24 sounded like nothing else matters
    Pretty chick, pretty art”

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  91. Russiantroll says, “That chick is ethnically russian, not ukrainian btw, and is completely average looking, as is mila kunic (who is jewish btw). All is fawning is completely pathetic.”

    When you live in the desert, each raindrop is a miracle.

    Americans tend to ignore the role social skill/dominance plays in their perception of female beauty because they live in a culture of rude women. Russians tend not to downplay this, because it’s normal for women to be polite and feminine.

    I don’t think the fawning is pathetic. It’s a good sign that some guys in the States still have the ability to categorize women, even if they’re not conscious of how.

    This is the kind of post I like to see. I hope to see more. Guys need to know what a real woman who takes care of herself and is using her head for more than a hat rack, looks like. She might not be a 10, but you could look into those eyes for the rest of her life and not give a damn.

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  92. Ok, you raise an important point. How does the girl know about my “7 foot tall” IQ? She doesn’t. She doesn’t know if it’s 140 or 150 or 180. She knows it’s a fair reach higher than hers, and a lot of women find this very intimidating. If you are “too smart”, from a girl’s perspective, you become a “brain in a jar”, not a sexual creature.
    Most women I’m going to be dating are in the 125-140 IQ range– not dumb by any stretch of the imagination. On the contrary, they’re pretty well used to being the smarter person in every relationship they’ve had. That’s strike one against a guy like me, right off the bat.

    This is so dumb.

    Women care if you are a. a boring know-it-all, b. rub their noses in your ‘superior’ intelligence, or c. otherwise make them feel inferior. Otherwise no one cares.

    Also, DC is not the known universe of smartees, sheesh. Maybe they’re ugly at bars in DC, doesn’t mean they are everywhere. See, e.g., Kiev.

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  93. This might be low, but i can not help it
    @Gil – you are an idiot!

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  94. @russiantroll

    Her last name is ethnically Russian (her husband’s name). She lives in Symferopol, Ukraine.

    Also, read up on the Russian history in order to figure out your own upbringing. Every Slavic person knows about poorly hidden animosity between Russians and Ukrainians. Kseniya is talented and let’s leave it at that

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  95. That’s a completely different topic than what we’ve been discussing.

    I wrote so.

    Obviously super high IQ doesn’t guarantee fame, fortune or professional recognition.

    In Langan’s case it is his own fault to a degree anybody can be blamed of being an underachiever. Langan is working on stuff like mathematical proof of the existence of God and works with some foundation for intelligent design, for chrissake! Useless religio-philosophical bollocks, at best harmless scholastic nitpicking and at worst stiffling unscientific dogmatism if allowed to influence public education curricula. If the likes of Langan took up trying to prove hard-to-prove mathematical theorems or developing new mathematical theories, one could say their high IQs would’ve been put to good use.

    The point I was making is that, yeah, for high IQ males there’s likely a price to pay when it comes to marriage.

    I’m married to a woman whose overall level of intelligence is reasonably close to mine (I don’t know which one of us has more raw ability) but whose interests are very different from mine. That’s no problem. Wives are for sex, love, and family formation.

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  96. “I’m married to a woman whose overall level of intelligence is reasonably close to mine (I don’t know which one of us has more raw ability) but whose interests are very different from mine.”

    Um, what does she look like?

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  97. Why do I get a sense that roissy speaks russian?

    The girl is average. American women and russian women are in the same category. Russian women are hotter.

    Just because a woman is hot doesn’t mean she’s marriage material. In fact I wouldn’t marry a russian women or even ukranian.

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  98. gig’s iron law of female pictures: “whenever a female is pictured anywhere, guys who can’t score her will call her äverage” ”

    why is that that nerds have such a passion for creatingcool explanations for everything? is it hard to accept that Slavs have always been beautiful so they have t create ridiculous explanations as tghat one that says the average Russian female was on par with the average Mexican female until Hitler and Stalin decided the would halve the male population of Russia and force the West into its knees through maturbation via a floo of Russian porn?

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  99. why is that that nerds have such a passion for creatingcool explanations for everything? is it hard to accept that Slavs have always been beautiful so they have t create ridiculous explanations as tghat one that says the average Russian female was on par with the average Mexican female until Hitler and Stalin decided the would halve the male population of Russia and force the West into its knees through maturbation via a floo of Russian porn?

    Why can’t both explanations can have merit? That Slavs were already somewhat prettier than average and the decimation of over 25% of their male population increased average prettiness even more? I don’t know why you keep insisting over and over that Slavs being considered prettier than average before WW2 automatically invalidates the idea that WW2 made Slavs even prettier still. It doesn’t.

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  100. because your delicate racial sensibility needs the assurance that random events can quickly change the landscape of female beauty around the world

    also, in preWW2 alphaness was understood as willingness to fight for mother Russia. so the bravest and he most alpha amongst Russian men were decimated in the war. Total war is deeply dysgenic for men

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  101. To the nerdo WW2 beauty theorists — why aren’t the Western Front WW1 male casualties reputed to have improved French and English womens’ beauty or the 1980s wars Iraqi and Iranian women?

    Also, I believe that German losses were much more heavily male than female, and no one is talking about the hot German women.

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  102. a final word abut the idea that Maria Sharapova is the offspring of an homossexual act between Hitler and Stalin

    the Czech republic didn’t suffer much losses, wasn’t particularly oppressed during the war so, by the Hitler/Stalin theory of female beauty, Czechs must be noticeably uglier than Russians. to ask this is to answer it.

    also, England lost a huge part of its young male population in WW1 and yet no one in the XXth century commented about the beauty of english women, even when they were thin. Germany bled as much as Russia in both wars, lost as much men (in %) as Russia, is much richer yet the general consensus, including Germany and Russia, is that Russiangirls are more beautiful.

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  103. It is the cold gig it keeps em on ice. They freeze em till they are 18 so they get the bonus of no wear and tear on the body.

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  104. JB

    “I’m married to a woman whose overall level of intelligence is reasonably close to mine (I don’t know which one of us has more raw ability) but whose interests are very different from mine.”

    Um, what does she look like?

    What world do you live in, where IQ is not directly correlated with objective attractiveness? I see the point at the very high end of either scale (i.e. on average, super-hotties are not super-geniuses, and vice-versa), but, in general the two are directly correlated.

    In fact, even if it wasn’t devastatingly obvious, I’d still hypothesize as such, simply because both intelligence and physical attractiveness are indicators of fitness.

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  105. My brother has a serious Mensa sized IQ, always got special funding at school because he was gifted. He’s also strange. I’ll leave it at that.

    Personally I like a guy who is smarter than I am (no jokes about how easy that would be!). I dated a very intelligent doctor for a few months; his physics mark from high school still stands as the cities record. He was a very decent man and didn’t hit me over the head with his knowledge. I appreciate being challenged.

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  106. on September 29, 2009 at 1:19 am gunslingergregi

    The problem is that with a really high iq nothing is a challenge.

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  107. “I’m married to a woman whose overall level of intelligence is reasonably close to mine (I don’t know which one of us has more raw ability) but whose interests are very different from mine.”

    Um, what does she look like?

    Normal. My point is that it is not necessarily such a big problem as some people make it out to be that you and your woman have different hobbies and interests. It can be, of course, if one is much into traveling and the other is a homebody. But consider how normal it was considered only a few decades ago that men and women have separate social spheres where members of each sex engage in their favorite activities.

    Most of the everyday stuff involved in running a home or being in a relationship is not nuclear physics. I just don’t see how even a large IQ differential can be harmful if the overall maturity levels and values and life goals of the partners are similar enough.

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  108. roissy

    some types of negs and teasing are a very western style of humor that can backfire on a foreign chick, especially those who come from small towns

    now you tell me. finefantastic! thinks I’m a combination of Hannibal Lecter and Brian Mulroney

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  109. I told why the WW2 theory of Russian beauty is false and idiotic; now I will tell you why it is nerdy, therefore idiotic. Because even if a nerdy idea is true, being nerdy turns it into instantaneous social shaming (i.e. HBD)

    Nerds over-analyze stuff, wonder about causality where it is unnecessary, they lack awareness about wider implications of what they say and once they deem something “cool” (and coolness for a nerd is not necessarily, say, cool…) they turn it into an idée fix and forget any other contrary evidence

    So Russia and EE have beautiful women. I say Italy/Spain/France beat them and Italian/Spanish/Portuguese descended people in Latin America constitute the most beautiful people on Earth*. I don´t care if Russians/Slavs got beautiful because they ate horse shit until the XXth century, it suffices that they are beautiful now. Wondering about why your erection came is a mark of nerdish indecision and propensity to overanalyze. Also, WW2 includes the holocaust, Operation Keelhaul, the rape of Nanking, Nuclear bombs, the incineration of some of the finest cities on Earth.

    Only some nerdish weirdo could come up with WW2 in a talk with women. Lack of awareness about wider implications of what you say and bringing up nerdish topics when coolness is necessary is nerdism by definition. Nerdism, and modern Universities are a case study of that, think it is cool to say that WW2 caused Slavic beauty yet forget that the second world war, as the name itself says, wasn´t exactly the first war fought between human beings, so they need to explain why wars fought between ugly peoples do not improve the beauty of the next generations

    * I can´t resist forcing a race thread even against eastern europeans

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  110. simple nerd detector: think about the same argument being made in a table in a bar, with girls around

    would it increase or decrease his status with girls around?

    could it cause grave offense ? (think about a Jew in the table whose grandparents were gassed being told that it turned the people more beautiful)

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