World’s Greatest Pickup Artist Goes Down

Erik Von Markovic (AKA Mystery) has a 1 year old daughter named Dakota Breeze. Such a cheeseball name. It’s as if he named her knowing she’d grow up to be an exotic dancer. I couldn’t find any information about the mother. Anyhow, Mystery has put up a youtube video of him serenading his daughter in song:

A great man goes down. He’s traded in his peacocking heart medallion for a heartfelt song about his daughter. This is the end of an era. Mystery is from my generation. I attended one of his seminars (at no cost). I used his material to fuck quite a number of women. But now he has surrendered to the slow, persistent wind-down of aging, settling (at least in some small measure) for fatherhood and responsibility at the expense of the thrill of seducing fresh, piping hot pussy. I feel hollow inside.

He hasn’t completely betrayed his nature. Note the conspicuously placed “Love” pillow in the background.

Some of the youtube comments are hilarious.

Don’t game your daughter dude, not cool. Too far.

I’m wondering why he didn’t pull out in time !?!?! he’s fucked over 350 women already,.. he must know these things !

mystery ! I got to sign out now ! but very quickly, I got a question for you :
on scale of 1 to 10 how do you rate this song ?

Oh shit! When did you have a daughter? Congratulations. She’ll know all the lines by the time she’s older. She’ll be pick up proof lol

True. Dakota Breeze could be a future pickup artist’s greatest challenge. She’ll have Captain America’s vibranium alloy bitch shield. She’ll always be three steps ahead of any routine that a PUA tries to run on her. This is all assuming she gets blessed with good genes for beauty. If she’s lower than a 7, no skilled PUA worth his salty balls will hit on her, and her high paying stripper career is dead in the cradle. She’ll have to work for pocket change at some redneck roadside titty bar. Still, banging Mystery’s daughter would by quite a trophy bag. The apprentice becomes the master… and impales the master with his own sword.

I bet he’s going to be loving the game when it’s being used on his sweet little girl.

Ouch. But I bet Mystery is smart enough that he’ll logically spin some rationalization for why it’s OK that dudes running game to bang his daughter is all part of the inescapable mission statement of existence to survive and replicate. I know that’s how I would handle the cognitive dissonance.

On a VH1 Pickup Artist forum, one of the commenters dropped some juicy rumors about Mystery:

Actually Matador does wear a wig. And Mystery wears hats to cover his psoriosis and black nail polish to cover his bad nail fungus. What most people DON’T know is that Mystery, ie Erik Von Markovik, is a dead beat dad. His almost 2 yr old little girl rarely sees her dad and he has only paid about $1000 in child support in her whole life. Both Matador and Mystery tell guys to keep it wrapped but it is known that neither do it very often themselves. And if you have read Mystery’s book he actually tells guys that the way to overcome LMR (last minute resistence) is to agree with the woman but KEEP GOING. So a woman can say NO and he ignores it and does what he wants anyway.  Hmmm. And men think that is the way to treat women. How pathetic…

If this is true, I salute Mystery for shelling out only $1,000 in child support despite being worth millions. Women have to learn that getting impregnated by an alpha male cad will have costly consequences, chief of which being that such a man is less likely to provide the resources to help raise any children.

Also, like Mystery, I avoid using condoms whenever it’s feasible — I usually wait until I have been with the girl for at least a month. One night stands and short flings are CONDOM ONLY. Some trust has to be established before going raw.

I prefer to remember Mystery this way:

newfriends





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  1. At least he had three ways and orgies before she popped out . . . he Toog, I’m working on something I’ll post in the comments section or give to Roissy to rework on how guys can put in place asset protection plans so as to safeguard themselves form succubi the marry.

    Roissy, in your upcoming book you should certainly have an appendix with such info.

    Peace,
    RJS

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  2. Surely the mother picked the idiotic name for the daughter.

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  3. on July 17, 2009 at 12:36 pm mandy been here a while

    I agree Tarl, The name is very consistent with the current “pet names for people” naming trend among the feckless.

    His almost 2 yr old little girl rarely sees her dad

    If true this part is not good.

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  4. RJS – that would be most welcome. B.

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  5. Dakota, that’s where Rosemary’s baby (with Satan) was born; and where John Lennon was shot.

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  6. Well, if he rarely sees the daughter and doesn’t have much to do with the mother, that means they’re not married or cohabiting, and his basic lifestyle is unchanged, except for future potential court-ordered CS. So the era, such as it is, does not appear to be ended. Am I missing something?

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  7. As I recall, the mother is British (a stripper, methinks) and the child of course lives with her in England. The whole ‘what foreign men think of American women’ thread is what brought it back to my mind – that, and the many male Brits’ written accounts of run-ins with bad American pussy.

    Being different than most, it wasn’t the song or the irony of Mystery fathering a daughter that intrigued me, but the fact that he was snared into fatherhood by a wily female, probably seeking 18 years of lucrative child support, and or fame at having bagged The Man.

    My English friends and contacts are stably married, so the actual length of child support allowed by England is unknown to me, but I am positive it is much greater in amount – and duration – than a comparable split in the USA as reflected in their vastly more liberal, socialist law.

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  8. wow , what a picture

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  9. Children are such giant irreversible investments that the moment you have them, they become the love of your life. Similar story is true for house ownership. Love comes with ownership and irreversibility.

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  10. @pupu-maurice walked by there yesterday. Leonard Bernstein lived there and Madonna has a pad there as well. Impressive musical pedigree.

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  11. If you are going to go beta for a girl, it’s best that it’s providing (or in this case, writing a song) for your daughter…

    skittles for everyone else.

    Just finished the Game and it’s quite evident that Mystery is a little, ah, unstable at times. So, if it’s true that he can’t see his baby because she’s overseas, then his nature makes him act out for things he can’t have.

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  12. Maurice, it is a gorgeous building. But after watching Rosemary’s Baby, Pupu would never name her daughter Dakota.

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  13. The song: un-listenable.

    The Girls name: I am guessing future occupation involves porn.

    Mystery: Never a big fan of the guy. He always reminded me of this one cat I dislike.

    Mystery’s career: Respectable for really having been in The Game for this decade.

    His reign on top was short like leprechauns.

    I can tell you he wasn’t suffering the tortures of the damned in the 90’s like your humble author.

    I have seen many guys come and go.

    “despite being worth millions”

    Not sure if I am buying that one.

    He might have some C-notes to rub together, but “millions”, I doubt it.

    The PUA Biz is not the oil biz. Or p$rn.

    – MPM

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  14. @GMan- tortures of the damned in the 90s? Do international playboys experience that? Or is your identity less than 10 years old…?

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  15. maurice,

    I have be in The Game, swooping girls and hustling dough since a youth in the days or “Just Say No”.

    Came to prominence during the “Extascy Wonder Gangs”.

    Nationally ranked in the late 90’s.

    International since 1999.

    – MPM

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  16. vino sniffs the air in direction of mystery vid curiously…

    *sniff* *sniff*

    vino turns to roissy.. “you smell that?”
    vino turns to maurice.. “you smell that?”

    roisssy “I smell…”
    maurice “I smell…”
    vino “I smell…”

    vino, roissy & maurice in unison . . . “Pussy!”

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  17. of “Just Say No”.

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  18. smh
    you put that man out on front street. what happened to the man code?

    Also, like Mystery, I avoid using condoms whenever it’s feasible — mostly with girls I have been dating for at least a month
    i don’t get the logic but whatever.

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  19. “The PUA Biz is not the oil biz. Or p$rn.”

    The reason I say this is I have talked to some prominent Pick up artists.

    None of them seem to be stacking chips. Thin pockets.

    Making a living? Yes.

    Caking up? No.

    – MPM

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  20. This is one of those moments where you have to wonder why someone as sexually active as Mystery didn’t get a vasectomy. It’s such a quick, cheap, and temporary (if desired) procedure. The benefits immensely outweigh the couple day recovery period.

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  21. Love comes with ownership and irreversibility.

    In the case of marriage vows, love dies with ownership and irreversibility.

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  22. i don’t get the logic but whatever.

    fixed it.

    G:
    None of them seem to be stacking chips. Thin pockets.

    mystery might be in a monetary league of his own. he charges $7k per head for his workshops and he has the income stream from his VH1 show and whatever appearances and seminars he gives, plus his books. i heard the million dollar figure bandied about by some of his acolytes.

    otoh, i have also heard mystery blows through his cash as soon as it comes in. probably the PUA with the biggest heap is style. he’s more grounded than mystery and has that jewish thing for managing moolah. that was for you, seeking!

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  23. What a moment. Roissy finally mustered all his courage, balled up his fists, and directly called out his competition! Everyone make sure to congratulate this blogging hero for his bravery.

    In the past, he would go on and on about betas and herbs by name, but if he had a tiff with a fellow PUA, he was all Judith Martin in his deferential circumspection. He’d disagree with their methods, but unless you were familiar with the Roosh, Mystery, etc. canon, you had no idea who in particular he was correcting.

    On the other hand, Roissy did safely wait until everyone else was laughing at the guy to hop on the man-pile.

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  24. Hmm. Interesting development, though it seems that the commenter Roissy cites from the VH1 forum sounds just a weebit touched by Hateration Syndrome. Furthermore, its no one’s business what Mystery’s financial arrangements wrt his daughter is, that’s btw him and the baby mama. Period.

    Still, I have to admit that it is a kind of an end of an era, or at least a passing of the torch. Roissy turned me on to Mystery, and I still hope to meet him one day (the local group here in Philly has had him here I understand; I was indisposed at the time), so I’ll always have a high regard for the Man’s work. Masterpieces like that are hard to find.

    O

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  25. atc:
    but if he had a tiff with a fellow PUA

    dude. i don’t have a tiff with mystery. i’m just lamenting his progression from pickup pioneer to serenading daddy figure.

    it’s a sad day. mystery is alright in my book. i see a lot of myself in him.

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  26. $7K a head?!?

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  27. on July 17, 2009 at 1:35 pm King Salami

    Is it odd that he referred to himself as “baby daddy” in relation to his daughter rather than his daughter’s mother?

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  28. roissy

    “he charges $7k per head for his workshops and he has the income stream from his VH1 show and whatever appearances and seminars he gives, plus his books.”

    It is possible. And not really worth debating.

    And I don’t wish the guy any ill will financially.

    I mean, I am sure those fuzzy top hats aren’t cheap.

    He might have got the $7k per head seminar fee during the up economy, but now I would be surprised. More power too him if he can.

    Books? We all know very few get rich writing books. 100k is a phenomenal book deal for a first time author.

    VH1 show? Not sure. 20k per show?

    “i heard the million dollar figure bandied about by some of his acolytes.”

    Exactly. Red flag.

    Seems like a stick ($1 million) is a stretch.

    Millions?

    He better be stretching like Yao Ming.

    – MPM

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  29. could it possibly be that “Dakota Breeze” is as real a name as “Mystery” and that the people involved understand that giving a fake name online is a good idea?

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  30. on July 17, 2009 at 1:39 pm SmartyJones

    Don’t care why this guy is held in such reverence, it’s not like he’s the only guy out there doing stuff. There’s plenty of regular alpha guys doing their thing without outside help and being charged 7K to do so.

    But there’s no excusing a guy who doesn’t support fathering a kid. Sorry, but that’s lame and utter bullshit.

    If you are alpha, you live life and man up as necessary. If you don’t wrap properly or not at all, then you deal with the outcome of natural law.

    Alpha’s don’t buck natural law, they master it.

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  31. SmartyJones

    “Don’t care why this guy is held in such reverence, it’s not like he’s the only guy out there doing stuff. There’s plenty of regular alpha guys doing their thing without outside help and being charged 7K to do so.”

    Hell, I give info for free (I have other ways I cake up).

    Commercialism is ruining The Game.

    I have a hard time seeing how $7k to hear a Commercial pickup up artist is worth it.

    Better to use that $7k on a trip to the French Riviera to swoop girls.

    Your “inner Game” will be better for it.

    Trust me.

    – MPM

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  32. Dakota Breeze Von Markovic?

    HAHA. It sounds like a Prussian general impregnated a fat redneck.

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  33. One song to a daughter does not a beta make.

    If he’s still picking up and sleeping with lots of hotties he’s still Alpha; in fact, I would go as far as to say that the true test of Alpha is the ability to maintain the prize mentality and master morality when you have the woman, who had your child, trying to turn you beta (even worse if you’re in love with said women).

    It’s easy to stay on top of your game when no one is trying to drag it down.

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  34. If you are alpha, you live life and man up as necessary. If you don’t wrap properly or not at all, then you deal with the outcome of natural law.

    I agree with Doug on this issue. If woman don’t use their birth control options, and have not gained consent from the man about intent to parent, the kid is 100% her responsibility.

    There are effective abortifactants, as well as abortion. And the pill. And the spiral. Many options. A woman can’t enslave a man through his sperm in this day and age, if the man owns a passport.

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  35. G:
    I have a hard time seeing how $7k to hear a Commercial pickup up artist is worth it.

    i agree. but as pt barnum’s black sheep brother said: “no one ever went broke underestimating the desperation of america’s betas.”

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  36. “But there’s no excusing a guy who doesn’t support fathering a kid. Sorry, but that’s lame and utter bullshit.

    If you are alpha, you live life and man up as necessary. If you don’t wrap properly or not at all, then you deal with the outcome of natural law.

    Generations of cuckholding Alpha ancestors just laughed at you from beyond the grave.

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  37. Aenigma

    It’s easy to stay on top of your game when no one is trying to drag it down.

    You said a mouthfull, Aenigma. And it’s a womans job to lower her mans testosterone, and to relentlessly attempt to kill his spirit. To just say no to such pressure takes a huge command of personal resources. Abso fucking lutely.

    Where is the man who just says to the woman he loves “No, I am going to continue to see other women. Leave my house if you are going to hissy fit about that.”

    In not enough places, considering what women USUALLY do in such cases. They usually eventually capitulate, and are even more attracted to the guy.

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  38. this makes me wonder: is there such a thing as daughter game?

    i plan to roll the dice and have kids and that means a fifty-fifty chance of having a daughter. so, what’s the right amount of attention and praise to give so that she’s neither one of those spoiled cunts on ‘my super sweet 16’ nor so neglected she ends up dancing on a pole looking for surrogate daddies?

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  39. Well, G-man is right, after reading the chapter where Papa’s PUA-school flooded Hollywood with a bunch of drones using the exact same line, spending $7K on fixing you inner game would do better for the soul.

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  40. roissy

    “i agree. but as pt barnum’s black sheep brother said: “no one ever went broke underestimating the desperation of america’s betas.”

    Ha.

    Yep.

    And my great grandfather Michael James Mason IV back in the day in Belfast said:

    “There’s a beta sucker born every minute.”

    – MPM

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  41. lance:
    so, what’s the right amount of attention and praise to give

    good question, and i was going to put up a post on this very issue. my 4yo niece is getting so spoiled that the first words she said to me last time i visited were “don’t i look pretty?” as she twirled in a circle.

    she does indeed look pretty, and will probably mature into a hottie, but i shudder how badly she’s going to use betas with her princess attitude already in display. so i did my part to rectify the situation and replied “yes, but i don’t think those flip flops look good on you.”

    you know what she said to that?

    “these aren’t flip flops! they’re my dress up shoes!”

    then she pouted.

    qualification.

    victory.

    in two seconds i made her a better person. no wonder i’m her favorite relative.

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  42. on July 17, 2009 at 2:07 pm SmartyJones

    @ G Manifesto

    Save the 7K for the French Riviera? Indeed.
    You say custom, I say Canali. Maybe one day.

    Respeck!

    @ xsplat

    Natural law trumps American law, and all international passports.

    Only flighty chicks expect the world to pay for their unstable actions. Not men, especially alpha men.

    As the old saying goes, if you lay with dogs, you get fleas. Or other natural outcomes, like it or not.

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  43. on July 17, 2009 at 2:08 pm SmartyJones

    @ Roissy

    Negging a four year old for her own good. Brilliant!
    (I did the same with my 10 year old cousin.) And she loves me for it.

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  44. not I
    I teach
    treasured
    female family
    members how to
    punish beta swine

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  45. negging a 4 year old! Who needs Dr. Phil, we have Dr. Roissy.

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  46. Smarty, what are you talking about? Are you saying that it is a fact of life that men who get pregnant always raise the kids? That natural law forces them to?

    Or are you saying that if they don’t, they are not good people?

    In your eyes, sure. In many people eyes, sure.

    Maybe you believe in some God, with eyes that agree with your opinion. I guess you call him “Natural Law”.

    As for me, I’ve caused plenty of pregnancy. And I stand by my early comment. Your natural law is of no consequence to me.

    When I raise a kid, if I do, I’ll do it right, and by my choice. Until then, the woman can abort.

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  47. whatever that video means to the end of his game, at least he doesn’t look as much like a douche as usual. He’s rather cute.

    lance: boundaries, praise for things done well (aka took actual effort) or required (cleaning your room), don’t praise the shallow stuff (hair color) but sure praise an element that took effort (erm, ? learning to french braid to keep hair out soup?). If she gets snotty remind her of why she shouldn’t be.

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  48. I really don’t see what all the hub bub is all about: Mystery has made a legit contribution to the world of Pickup, Game, etc, whatever you want to call it. Is he the end all be all, no, of course not. But its hard not to see again, his legit contribution.

    As for his seminar fees, etc, hey, he’s only doing what any smart businessman does in a capitalist system, he’s maximizinf profits by offering his services in line w/what the market will bear-and by all accounts, he delivers. He not only discusses the theory, but he then goes out and applies it for you in realtime. And, as I understand it, YOU start doing the same, right away. Personally, no, I wouldn’t pay that price for the simple reason that I can’t afford it. But for those who can, God bless em.

    For me, Mystery’s system filled in a lot of gaps in what it was I saw around me, WHY things were the way they were and how I could turn that to my advantage. His wedding of Evolutionary Psychology to age old Seduction is brilliant, along w/his method of field reporting and other highly useful tools that are, in my humble view, simply Gamechangers for ANY Man who dares to make use of them.

    For example, I’ve written about my own “field tests” of the Mystery Method in this very forum. Of course, I’ve modified it to fit my particular circumstances and environs, but nevertheless, its still largely his system. After a few stumbles on my part, I got very good results-and all I used was Mystery’s book, Style’s book The Game, and worked on a shorestring budget, literally. It was by any account, a success.

    Recently, some of you here have seen me give some advice to Arpagus. It was based on the Mystery Method, and taken directly from the pages of the book The Game. I also instructed him to simply observe how Men and Women interact among themselves and w/each other, in the bar/lounge/club setting.

    Just doing these things alone netted Arpie sex he hadn’t had in some two years(!)-proof yet again that Mystery’s system, *any part of it*, works. Let me say that again:

    ANY Man, who uses ANY part of Mystery’s system, WILL be successful.

    Period.

    I’ve said before that the Man deserves a Nobel Prize for his work. I’m dead serious about that, too. & I think Style should get one, too. They in my humble view, are the Watson and Crick of Game.

    That Mystery is a Man w/his sahre of personal demons is hardly surprising; it comes w/the territory and is often the price of such brilliance. But it means nothing compared to the simple fact that what he’s unearthed about social dynamics and human sexual attraction, female to male, is both real, and works.

    Like I said earlier, I hope one day in the not to distant future, to meet the Great Man. I just wanna shake his hand.

    And just maybe, sign my book.

    The Obsidian

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  49. on July 17, 2009 at 2:28 pm Willard Libby

    From the AskMen interview September 5, 2007 –

    Where do you see yourselves in five years?

    Mystery: I see myself married and settled.

    Matador: Married with kids.

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  50. Negging a four year old. Why the fuck didn’t I think of that. Might have saved me the tantrum she threw today.

    My dearest wish is that my daughter grows up to be nothing like her mother.

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  51. It’s always the guys who bed the most women who end up with 5 or 6 daughters, while the religious who marry the high school sweetheart pump out son after son. God’s humor?

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  52. on July 17, 2009 at 2:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    That was a cool pic looks like worship art.

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  53. well, it’s well known that fighter jocks have higher percentage of daughters.

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  54. Willard Libby

    “Where do you see yourselves in five years?

    Mystery: I see myself married and settled.

    Matador: Married with kids.”

    Like I have said.

    I have seen many guys come and go.

    Reigns on top short like smurfs.

    Where will I be in 5 years?

    Married to the Game.

    Drunk off Spanish Wine.

    Swooping girls in Argentina and Espana (depending on the time of year).

    Fat pocket.

    – MPM

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  55. If Mystery earns millions, but has only spent $1,000 on his daughter so far. He will not be considered as an alpha by his daughter after she grows up. This is where the alpha definition divides from the game community to within a family. Mystery can remain alpha to all women except for one.

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  56. Pupu

    “If Mystery earns millions”

    I think I dispelled that myth above.

    Unless homeboy is moving cane through our boarders, no shot.

    And if he was moving cane like a cripple, he would be on my radar.

    – MPM

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  57. I’d figure that having a kid without being tied down in marriage would be a feather in a PUA’s cap. Like having another dimension to your portfolio.

    Of course, having a son makes it less complicated than having a daughter. A buddy of mine who has a boy and a girl says that the attitudes are different: you want the boy to be a better version of yourself, but the girl is the one you love more.

    When Rhett Butler had a girl, he decided to become respectable.

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  58. on July 17, 2009 at 2:48 pm Jack Burton

    Um, Mystery’s daughter is Mystery’s daughter. She is going to be weird-looking to ugly. Sub-6.

    Don’t get so caught up in your “alpha” “framing”/self-hypnosis that you forget what “game” (as Mystery developed and sells it) actually is.

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  59. Do the math.
    How many boot camps has mystery done?
    How much does he charge per head?

    How many are in attendance?

    What about the materials he sells- cd’s and pdf’s.

    Paul janka who is no where near as famous or popular as mystery will be a millionaire soon (if he isnt already) just on his dvd, pdf and seminars alone.

    While he may have spent tons of dough- at this point in his career he must have easily earned at least one million.

    While Mystery didn’t invent game- he was the first to my knowledge to coin the pharse –NEG- that and some other term make him an extraordinary male in my opinion.

    Throughout the ages many have known how to naturally game- but how many can TEACH natural game, coin phrases- plus invent diagrams on how to specifically game women?

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  60. Irrelevant, but I thought it might be of general interest:

    http://americangirlsareeasy.com/book/

    It’s a navigational guide to men in Europe for women.

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  61. Don’t forget that stunning masterpiece of cinema starring Geena Davis: “Earth Girls Are Easy.” ‘Nuff said.

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  62. I remember back in high school there was a guy who got a lot of my friends hooked on heroin. He was the charismatic type you see only rarely, who can produce a following out of thin air and convince people, without ever saying much at all, that his life is a kind of wondrous mystery they would never fathom. Some of them were junkies for years. Things worked out for just about everybody, and there’s no ill will but they all eventually got clean and moved on, and mr. charisma in his turn had to clean up or get left behind. For some reason I’m reminded of this.

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  63. Agreed on G Manifesto’s skepticism with respect to Mystery’s “millions.” VH-1 is notoriously cheap, and as far as I know, the details of the settlement with Savoy / Love Systems haven’t been made public. L.A. is an expensive place, and you have to question the business instincts of anybody who loses control of the intellectual property of his own name.

    If I had to guess at Mystery’s net worth, I’d say it’s a quarter mil.

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  64. Heroin. Wondrous mystery. yeesh- it never ceases to amaze me how stupid people can be. At least it didn’t end too badly for those chumps.

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  65. @askjoe

    7k a head ? Wow I really am in the wrong line of work.
    Maybe I’ll go be the Female version of a PUA coach. 😉

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  66. on July 17, 2009 at 3:34 pm Colin Bowel

    My evolution went like this: observing & noting how natural alpha “jock” types at house parties interacted with the ladies there; finding and reading Roissy’s blog; reading Mystery Method. Took a while for me to internalize everything, but combined together, it’s been life-changing.

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  67. Tommy “It’s always the guys who bed the most women who end up with 5 or 6 daughters, while the religious who marry the high school sweetheart pump out son after son. God’s humor?”

    I read somewhere that goodlooking parents are more likely to produce daughters. No idea how they’d characterize the parents in such a study, but I’ve heard it before.

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  68. Beautiful parents have more daughters: A further implication of the generalized Trivers–Willard hypothesis (gTWH)
    http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/JTB2007.pdf

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  69. Game in BK

    “Paul janka who is no where near as famous or popular as mystery will be a millionaire soon (if he isnt already)”

    Where are you pulling this data from?

    I am definitely not hating, and hopefully the guy is making dough, but a “millionaire”?

    Janka isn’t slinging that many $9.99 pdf’s on how to pick up girls at a bookstore.

    Many of these guys don’t even have the web presence of Roissy, Roosh, or your humble author.

    I have met many “famous” pick up artists, and most of them don’t seem like they have money for cover charge and a Goose and soda.

    Believe me, I would like to see something contrary.

    Maybe I can get out of the heist Game sooner than later.

    – MPM

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  70. @lupo

    My mom and dad were good looking and he fathered 3 daughters and only one son. I’ve never heard this before today however.

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  71. Um, Mystery’s daughter is Mystery’s daughter. She is going to be weird-looking to ugly. Sub-6.

    No homo, but Mystery is not an ugly guy, at least not genetically. He may dress weird as fuck, but he’s not ugly. Give him a haircut and dress him normal and he’ll look just fine. Add in his height and the fact that the mother is probably a hottie and I don’t see any evidence the daughter’s gonna be a weird or ugly sub-6 chick.

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  72. RTC

    “Agreed on G Manifesto’s skepticism with respect to Mystery’s “millions.” VH-1 is notoriously cheap”

    Exactly.

    Do you really think those ex-strippers that they constantly re-hash on that channel are making big CASH?

    Most are moving into p$rn to cover their lucite heels bill.

    20k an episode I would think is on the high end for our little friend in the black nail polish with goggles on his head.

    – MPM

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  73. I met Savoy once. Interesting guy. It was after the split with Mystery, and some bitterness remained but things had moved on. Magic Bullets is pretty good intro/guide to game.

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  74. maurice doll, would you send me your info? I doubt I’ll make it, but I can at least let you know game time.
    [email protected]

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  75. Janka sells beyond the digits- i believe it costs 200 dollars a pop.
    How many of those do you think he has sold?
    What of his other products?

    janka has filled auditoriums with some of his seminars.

    I am not trying to hate either- and I don’t care how much they really make- but I think people are undercutting these guys earning potential.

    Looked at Mystery method sales ranks- or how popular Mystery is on the web.
    How many people do you suppose mystery has taught in boot camps throughout his career?
    What has he charged on average?

    Gross Earning potential for these men can be phenomenal.

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  76. More comment gold from the video

    This was another American Idol audition tape

    Judges….

    Randy: I don’t know dawg, you kinda lacked ‘real’ emotion. All those sets turned you into a social robot dawg.

    Simon: I’ve got to say, I didn’t need your direct opener song approach to fuck bikini girl.

    Puala Abdul: I loved that song about survival and replication, I want a daughter now! Fuck me whoever you are you mysterious willingness to emote, protector of loved ones, pre-selected ‘mother’—fucker.

    “You’re going to hollywood!”

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  77. maurice, you still in nyc?

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  78. Reading that paper, not only does the bilateral symmetry of the face, their technical definition of beauty, but brain type, body size, tendency towards violence, and speech impairment all affect the male to female children ratio.

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  79. “at this point in his career he must have easily earned at least one million.

    While Mystery didn’t invent game- he was the first to my knowledge to coin the pharse –NEG- that and some other term make him an extraordinary male in my opinion. “

    One million. That’s like 100k a year, right? Lots of people have earned a million bucks. After taxes it’s half a million. After costs of life, you’d be lucky to have $100k left, unless you know how to trade. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mystery piled up some loot though.

    I remember Mystery on the interbutts, like 12 years ago after going through a bad breakup that really took the T out of my nuts. He very quickly distinguished himself from the others as a guy with his own style and system, and he wrote a lot of cool stuff down and gave it away for free. Tyler Durden was around then, but unlike mystery, he was a total theorist; kind of a windbag really. At the time, the alpha dog in the PUA movement was Ross Jeffries, who as far as I can tell, actually did make bank on his ideas. Ross certainly had the neg concept down. Mystery is better known now because he looks weird and has his own TV show. Ross was more of a regular looking dork, rather than a goth dude. At this point, though, according to Wakipedia (I haven’t thought of him in years) Ross appears to be some kind of weird hypnotist. I guess he’s kind of pushed beyond mere psychology, and has become a yoda-like sage with super chooch powers.

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  80. So does this mean good looking guys have to marry 5’s or less to get sons? 😉

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  81. Game in BK

    “Janka sells beyond the digits- i believe it costs 200 dollars a pop.
    How many of those do you think he has sold?
    What of his other products?”

    Not sure. Would love to get some concrete data, not just speculation.

    Hell, if it is legit you might see me pitching some pdf’s.

    I remember reading one time Janka had swooped 100 girls lifetime.

    I have swooped 100+ fly girls year over year since 1999.

    And I was ripping it up prior.

    Ebooks (Gbooks) anyone?

    – MPM

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  82. on July 17, 2009 at 4:05 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    People are still having babies?!?!

    Sigh.

    As a species we’ve learned nothing.

    (and Mystery was always a too effeminate cornball Johnny Depp wannabe anyway. no real woman could ever be attracted to him. just gay men and manly women who like girls)

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  83. It was just an accident shit happens.

    I think it was on Herbal’s website.(mysteries exbestfriend/wing from “The Game” who ended up fucking his chick Katya) who said mystery had a thing for fucking his chicks raw, and strippers.

    Anyway the comments are hilarious did anyone catch the one where they mention American Idol?

    This was another American Idol audition tape

    Judges….

    Randy: I don’t know dawg, you kinda lacked ‘real’ emotion. All those sets turned you into a social robot dawg.

    Simon: I’ve got to say, I didn’t need your direct opener song approach to fuck bikini girl.

    Puala Abdul: I loved that song about survival and replication, I want a daughter now! Fuck me whoever you are you mysterious willingness to emote, protector of loved ones, pre-selected ‘mother’—fucker.

    “You’re going to hollywood!”

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  84. Just kidding of course,just kidding.

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  85. The paper doesn’t propose the mechanism. It can be on the guy’s end, the girl’s end, or you two working together.

    It doesn’t mean you don’t get sons or don’t get daughters, it means there are higher probabilities of sons or daughters with these differences.

    For example:
    Tallal et al. (1989) show that mothers (but not fathers)
    with a developmental language impairment have an
    exceedingly high sex ratio (2.5000: 25 boys vs. 10 girls).
    Women normally have greater language and communication
    skills than men, and thus language impairment is
    relatively more problematic and maladaptive for girls
    than for boys.

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  86. Also G and Roissy;

    Love systems will appear on the tyra banks show today.

    http://www.lovesystems.com/tyra-banks

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  87. Roissy,

    You’re all about biological imperative, right? Don’t you think we’re programmed to get some satisfaction out of being a dad and out of the responsibility (a synonym for authority or power) that goes with it. Not to mention, fatherhood is not mutually exclusive with the biological imperatives you usually write about.

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  88. Game in BK,

    Not to kill a dead horse or anything (In fact, I love the racetrack http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2008/07/del-mar-racetrack-part-ii.html), but I remember seeing something where Janka lived in the smallest apartment in nyc.

    Renter.

    Not the typical sign of a multimillionaire.

    I wonder if Mystery even owns a crib.

    – MPM

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  89. Josh

    Don’t you think we’re programmed…

    Game theory suggests that in any multiplayer game, there will be niche opportunities for various strategies.

    There is no one size fits all mating strategy.

    Many people report no interest in having kids. I myself am simply not a family man. Guess I lack the family man gene.

    My brother and father are born family men. I’ll never understand them. I don’t get it. I may only ever understand them intellectually, or in much milder versions of their strong feelings.

    People vary very widely in this interest in having kids.

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  90. “i see a lot of myself in him.”

    Since you’ve known him longer than a month, does that mean you won’t wear a condom? It’ll be a real shame when he catches your herpes. He’s got a little girl to take care of.

    [editor: don’t you have a box of toothpicks to count or something?]

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  91. People have to grow up eventually, Roissy. If you and other PUAs think that you’ll still be running vigorous game in your late-30s and beyond, you’re severely deluded and you’ve got another thing coming. There are few things sadder than a 40 or 50-something in a club or bar trying to swoop younger people…it’s beyond pathetic, people with nothing to live for except sloppy drunkenness and meaningless sex. You and others here dump all over the over-the-hill cougars who try to pick up younger guys in clubs, and the same principle applies to males (though we males luckily have a bit of a longer time horizon).

    I have no idea how old you are Roissy (my guess is that you were born in the late 70s-early 80s), but even for you the biological urge to ‘settle down’ and have some offspring will rear its ‘boring’ little head soon enough – that much is assured.

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  92. on July 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm SmartyJones

    @ xsplat

    If you are asking my opinion on guys who father children and refuse to support the child because the mother could have opted to abort are bad people; the answer is yes.

    On what basis does society (and the taxpayer) have to pay for your mess? What other mess do you leave in your wake that you expect and demand restitution by the State re: the taxpayer.

    With everyone running around yammering about their choice, it sure looks like the assholes are leaving the bag for the rest of us.

    It would not be alpha of anyone to accept the tax bill of someone else’s responsibility. I certainly am not accepting the tax bill of you, and any woman’s “choice.”

    Peddle that crap where it doesn’t get shoved back in your face. I ain’t buying it from any man, nor any woman.

    Choice my ass.

    As for Natural Law, life’s a bitch and then you create your own. Water finds its own level and always will.

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  93. Recently janka moved up to a palatal residence in Manhattan.

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  94. on July 17, 2009 at 5:07 pm D. Ray Morton

    @WHITE SURVIVAL

    “sloppy drunkenness and meaningless sex.”

    Sounds pretty good to me.

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  95. Referring to my previous comment, if you are in your late 20s-early 30s you could still have a good solid decade of fun’n’games left – and that’s great…you ought to take full advantage of the time you have left in your biological prime. I’m in my mid-20s and I feel the same way myself.

    But eventually, you ought to find you a ‘good girl’ who comes from a dull suburb, nice small town, or rural area and have at least a couple kids with her. The permanent survival of the White race depends on White people at least replacing themselves. Start thinking long-term instead of solely about what the drink specials are going to be at the bar the day after tomorrow.

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  96. @ D. Ray Morton – if sloppy drunkenness and meaningless sex sounds pretty good to you, then The West is finished. If all modern Whites were as decadent and nihilistic as you, then all that our brilliant and courageous White-Western ancestors built will come to naught as we are swamped by the rising tide of color who will turn our once proud White countries in to Latin American-esque hellholes.

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  97. @lurker- yeah, and I set up drinks for anyone who wants to come tonight at 10PM at Gramercy Park Hotel bar. Not too much interest so far, but anyone who is in town is of course welcome to join.

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  98. on July 17, 2009 at 5:18 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    White Survival:

    “There are few things sadder than a 40 or 50-something in a club or bar trying to swoop younger people…it’s beyond pathetic, people with nothing to live for except sloppy drunkenness and meaningless sex.”

    Someone famous described current American life as “going from one meaningless experience to another, year after year.”

    If one lives for GAME, then I get and agree with your points. On the other hand, there are those of us who just by nature/character do not “feel” the appeal of child bearing and family life. We are in the minority and we know it. Society forces us to know it. However, we do exist.

    I will probably be a cougar into my 50s and after that, retire from the GAME. I foresee my GAME slowing down after probably 50, though I know many women in their 50s who are pulling hot men in their 30s and 40s.

    For me GAME is not the be all and end all of my life. With or without it, my life is full beyond belief, mostly because of all my travel and constantly new, fresh experiences that most people only dream about.

    GAME is just something that ADDS to my already full and exciting life.

    I don’t make family oriented people feel bad about their choices, so I don’t see why so many of them want to try and make me feel bad about mine.

    I’m responsible. I’ve never gotten pregnant nor sick, and I only sleep with men who wear condoms, even when I’m on the pill.

    I’m all about conscious, aware and responsible GAME.

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  99. collegeboy

    “Also G and Roissy;

    Love systems will appear on the tyra banks show today.”

    Just watched it.

    Surprised I didn’t slice my wrists.

    Savoy’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

    If those guys are multimillionaires you think they would have at a least a mediocre tailor on the payroll.

    Or a gym membership.

    I think the stuff they teach is decent, but street cred is questionable.

    Buyer beware of “commercial” pick up artists.

    I think the guys that do it for the fun (and not commercial reasons) ie this blogs author, guys like Roosh, your humble author have a lot more credibility.

    Game in BK

    “Recently janka moved up to a palatal residence in Manhattan.”

    Are you just saying this, or is this confirmed?

    As in, he owns a 6 million dollar crib in Manhattan.

    – MPM

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  100. White Survival is fucking idiot. Go back to the Klavern mate. There’s nothing sad about swooping chicks later in life if you are sucessful at it.

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  101. Maybe I’ll swing by. I live near Grammercy

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  102. WHITE SURVIVAL

    People have to grow up eventually, Roissy. If you and other PUAs think that you’ll still be running vigorous game in your late-30s and beyond, you’re severely deluded and you’ve got another thing coming. There are few things sadder than a 40 or 50-something in a club or bar trying to swoop younger people…it’s beyond pathetic, people with nothing to live for except sloppy drunkenness and meaningless sex.

    So, how do you feel about David Duke (pushing 60) womanizing for the entirety of his adult life?

    Personally, I don’t think the White Nationalists have a very good sense of priorities. While it’s our own white women who are perhaps the biggest political obstacle to cleaning things up, all you can do is worship them over all others.

    In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine. It is Imperialism and Universalism that are inherently masculine.

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  103. Roissy: “probably the PUA with the biggest heap is style”

    Surely David DeAngelo must be the richest? Though he (Eben Pagan) is pushing so much boring marketing stuff that pickup is just a small part of it. David DeAngelo is just sending out the same newsletters over and over again to the point where I unsubscribed, and Eben Pagan is solely about marketing, supposedly teaching others how to get rich if you enroll in his expensive programs like Guru Mastermind or Wake Up Productive.

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  104. So, how do you feel about David Duke (pushing 60) womanizing for the entirety of his adult life?

    Personally, I don’t think the White Nationalists have a very good sense of priorities. While it’s our own white women who are perhaps the biggest political obstacle to cleaning things up, all you can do is worship them over all others.

    In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine. It is Imperialism and Universalism that are inherently masculine.

    White Survival has that same backwards all White Nationalists have: White pride combined with an unhealthy amount of White Knighting. Looking at the super liberal government we have, people like him need to figure out how to get their women under control rather than focusing on minorities so much. The white female vote is responsible for many of the things he claims to hate so much.

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  105. on July 17, 2009 at 5:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Willard Libby
    From the AskMen interview September 5, 2007 –

    Where do you see yourselves in five years?

    Mystery: I see myself married and settled.

    Matador: Married with kids””””””

    lol they must have been reading me he he he

    Except where is the grand vision.

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  106. The King is dead.

    Long live Le Roi.

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  107. @ Welmer

    In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine.

    Interesting. I was just reading a book that argued the exact opposite of this (i.e. nationalism is inherently masculine), but I’m at work, so hold that thought.

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  108. on July 17, 2009 at 6:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’The G Manifesto
    Willard Libby

    “Where do you see yourselves in five years?

    Mystery: I see myself married and settled.

    Matador: Married with kids.”

    Like I have said.

    I have seen many guys come and go.

    Reigns on top short like smurfs.

    Where will I be in 5 years?

    Married to the Game.

    Drunk off Spanish Wine.

    Swooping girls in Argentina and Espana (depending on the time of year).

    Fat pocket.

    – MPM””””””””’

    Even the G man has said he would have 2 constant for retirement he he he

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  109. Arpie! What up, Man? Got your more detailed “post-mission” report that we talked about recently, I’m proud of ya.

    OK, so now we gots to step it up a bit. Two things:

    1. I need you to review that “Traits of an Alpha Male” list we talked about? I want you to tell me where you feel you’re in line with it, where you’re not, & where you can use some work. I’ll help out on that note.

    And

    2. I want you to think back to the lady you were with the other day and tick off what worked, and why. The idea here isn’t to recreate the wheel but simply to repeat that which gets results.

    OK, ajourn & holla back later…and keep up the good work!

    The Obsidian

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  110. SmartyJones

    But there’s no excusing a guy who doesn’t support fathering a kid. Sorry, but that’s lame and utter bullshit.

    If you are alpha, you live life and man up as necessary. If you don’t wrap properly or not at all, then you deal with the outcome of natural law.

    Alpha’s don’t buck natural law, they master it.

    There’s nothing remotely lame about it. Her choice to have the kid, NOT HIS. Therefore entirely her responsibility. She’s not providing him ongoing wifely services and he didn’t do any kind of deal with her about having the kid and then him supporting it. So it would be outrageous for Britain or the US to COMPEL him to support the child at some level he determines.

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  111. SmartyJones

    Natural law trumps American law, and all international passports.

    Only flighty chicks expect the world to pay for their unstable actions. Not men, especially alpha men.

    As the old saying goes, if you lay with dogs, you get fleas. Or other natural outcomes, like it or not.

    Lord you’ve been feminist “dead beat dads” media campaign and echos ever since, propagandized.

    What horse plop.

    As if that’s always been the case in history, regardless of the sluttiness of the girl. At most it’s tended to be the case when the girl had an innocent and pure reputation but was seduced by a rake, and then generally only if she was from a middle class or higher family. Often she’d be married off right quick to someone else instead though – if she were a girl of such good reputation (or really stellar social standing, which would gloss over reputation, in the real, and corrupt world.)

    As for current times — all but one of the many (seven or so) reversible methods of birth control are within a woman’s sole discretion and control, and the last is within her extremely easy inspection – and lowers the pleasure – and is the least reliable of all the methods.

    Further women have abortion and giving away for adoption rights. Men by right should have abortion rights as well. The right to abort all responsibility, but also all parental rights, to the child. In fact in unmarried cases that should be the default assumption, which a man can counter by signing a simple form committing to parental responsibilities in a fashion he could specify.

    Women who cannot afford to raise such a bastard child on their own she either abort it or give it up to adoption. Or else find another man, probably a beta, who will want to settle down and settle with her.

    In this case I’d guess it looks like Mystery does want a parental role of some sort, perhaps, and will offer some direct support for the girl. I’d guess esp. more so as she gets older and needs it more.

    It’s simply indentured servitude to require a man to provide American levels of child support = alimony, which could well amount to 33% or so of Mystery’s total after tax income each year for this one child, to a slut that isn’t living with him and isn’t providing ongoing wifely duties, including sex, but also many other things, depending on how large a part of her total income the Mystery contribution is. (If she too is a strong earner they could hire a nanny / housekeeper.)

    Any man that agrees to this regime is a wimp, a tool and a fool.

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  112. Hmm. Interesting development, though it seems that the commenter Roissy cites from the VH1 forum sounds just a weebit touched by Hateration Syndrome.

    Yeah that is the first thing I thought too.

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  113. If you are asking my opinion on guys who father children and refuse to support the child because the mother could have opted to abort are bad people; the answer is yes.

    On what basis does society (and the taxpayer) have to pay for your mess? What other mess do you leave in your wake that you expect and demand restitution by the State re: the taxpayer.

    You’re an idiot.

    She should have been on the pill, iud, or the successor to norplant. Or gotten an abortion or given away to adoption, if she couldn’t support it.

    Society DOESN’T have to pay for welfare for slut mothers. It chooses. The majority of men are opposed to welfare.

    As well welfare has time and other limitiations these days.

    The great majority of child support cases would not be welfare cases otherwise in any event.

    btw, YES the child should suffer, or have fewer opportunities, because of the poor choices of it’s mother, and father where appliable. Tough. That’s life. Or how life should be. Insulating women, as invariable rightful custodians of their children, from bad choices they make is the root of most family disintegration and great deal of other social ills in N America.

    If women what child support services from a man they should be fucking him at a minimum, on the regular and satisfactorily, and providing other wifely services as agreed, so as to induce him to want to provide it. Otherwise, nope. Go after some other man for support woman.

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  114. @WHITE SURVIVAL

    I’m a “friendly” so this is why I’ll tell you this: if you want your message to take root, you gotta recallibrate your approach.

    Angry, apocalyptic rants sound loserish. They give you, justly or not, the stench of loser. This, in turn, gives people with similar views as yours, an air of loser.

    I spent a year reading AmRen everyday, and teh effect was my wanting to put a pistol in my mouth. Can’t be depressing. It breeds despair.

    So what do you do?

    Be cool and funny. In whatever style suits your temperament. But be the guy that smart and fashionable young people wanna be like. It’s not easy, and it’s not fair, but that’s what you need to do.

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  115. Extracting child support from men on behalf of women that no longer want to fuck them and otherwise provide wifely services is one of the great injustices of the West generally to some degree, but by far worst in the Anglosphere, following the American lead.

    No ongoing sex = no child support.

    THAT SmartyJones is the natural law on the subject. Consult most any tribe anywhere.

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  116. Joe,
    Of course WNs like White Survivalist won’t tackle the real bane of their existence, their own White Woman, because then it would all but guarantee them NO PUSSY. Truth be told, they don’t need nothin’ but Game to straighten things out. What they need to be doing is studying Mystery & Style, instead of all that HBD jazz and Jared Taylor, lol.

    You heard? 😉

    O

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  117. Re:Welmer

    “So, how do you feel about David Duke (pushing 60) womanizing for the entirety of his adult life?”

    I don’t care. I don’t follow David Duke (aside from reading his website from time to time), and I have no ties whatsoever with the KKK, Neo-Nazis, or any other similar groups – I’m just a White American male who wants the endangered White race to permanently survive. That being said, if a person (man or woman) can continue to run game in to their 40s and beyond, more power to them. But the fact is that the vast majority of people (90+%) cannot – only about 1 person out of 10 have the looks/skills/charm/etc to keep running game in to middle-age, and small numbers like that are generally no loss to the nation or race. But most people (again, about 90%) should settle down after they’ve had their decade-plus of good fun instead of trying to pathetically emulate or compete with the top 10% against who they will never measure up.

    “Personally, I don’t think the White Nationalists have a very good sense of priorities. While it’s our own white women who are perhaps the biggest political obstacle to cleaning things up, all you can do is worship them over all others.”

    I agree that bringing White women in to line should be a top priority – and marrying them is a great way to do that (in the USA, married White women vote mostly conservative/Republican). But the only people who can bring White women in to line are White men, hence my targeting of White men here – otherwise White women will continue to be unduly manipulated by the Jew-infested American mass-media, the USA will continue to decay. I don’t “worship” White women – but the continuance of the dwindling White race depends on their White genes and their White wombs, and hence they must be ‘protected’ and preserved. White women are likely no more than 5-7% of the world population…and what beauty and grace are found within that small 5-7%! Don’t even try to say that various individual White women aren’t the most beautiful, sexiest, and hottest women on Earth…the only people who would disagree with that are dorky Asian fetishists. Bringing feminism under control is of course a prime priority – this involves dealing with the Jewish problem, since Jews have been the major promoters of feminism since the 1950s/60s; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists

    “In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine. It is Imperialism and Universalism that are inherently masculine.”

    That is entirely incorrect in my opinion – you have it reversed. Nationalism, if it is of the “blood and soil” type, is inherently masculine. Males of coruse make up the vast majority of the armies and police forces which defend the native land(s) from invaders and thugs; males are also the engineers and construction workers which make the land more habitable; and males are the farmers which draw sustenance from the soil of the homeland for the native race/ethnicity.

    I fully agree with you though that imperialism is masculine. But imperialism is very different than universalism. Universalism is very feminine. Since the agricultural revolution and the rise of writing/literacy, females have generally been rather passive actors in history. Think about it – when a tribe/race/ethnicity was conquered by another tribe/race/ethnicity, the winning tribe usually slaughtered all of the conquered native males and then very often took the conquered native females (at least the most desirable ones) and made them a part of the conquering tribe. Thus females are universally available to whoever is in control of a specific country, territory, etc. Their wombs are universally available to whatever semen is deposited there, though they of course prefer semen from the strongest males. And as Whites are being swamped by Browns/Blacks/Yellows/etc in the USA and other White countries worldwide, it looks to many White women that White men are becoming so weak that they cannot even control the borders of the native land – thus they often choose to accept the semen of the non-White invaders or ‘conquerors,’ which will lead to the extinction or near-dissolution of the White race in due time if it is allowed to continue.

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  118. Welmer–

    In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine. It is Imperialism and Universalism that are inherently masculine.

    This is pure idiocy.

    Nationalism is not at all feminine, but then neither is Imperialism. Attempts to make nationalism sound so by invoking folk beliefs of one particular sort is whack.

    Most nationalism is ethnically grounded. It was too in the US until principally after WWI. Since then it hasn’t been so much. Jews in particularly have worked VERY hard through their influence in academia, schools and the media, to shift our nationalism towards being that of a “proposition nation”. It’s been quite successful.

    Universalism is somewhat feminine in a way, since it seeks to avoid all conflict between peoples, and resolve any conflict peacefully.

    However this whole line of reasoning is quite unproductive.

    Talk of the matriarchy that feminism is creating in America and the Anglosphere due most of all to changes in divorce law, but also due to AA in many forms for women, media and schools propaganda and so on is something entirely different.

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  119. PA,
    You know what, I don’t have any problem at all w/guys like you wanting to adopt a “Pro White” stance. Doesn’t bother me one bit, and yea, I do think there’s something to be said for having a sense of pride in one’s tribe. Nothing wrong with that.

    But the problem, as you’ve noted, is the approach of the AmRen types. Not only do they do the sky’s falling thing you talked about, but they also hate on fellow travellers. Take what happened to D’Souza, for example, and we don’t even need to get started on Taylor’s own trouble putting out anti-Semetic fires at his own conferences, one of which was hosting David Duke as a major speaker.

    Like you said, the WNs of the world come off as bitter losers, which Women DO NOT LIKE. Like I said, if you guys (the general “you”, not you personally) were really serious, you’d be studying Game. Not Ian Jobling.

    Holla back

    O

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  120. Am I the only one who thinks “Dakota Breeze” sounds like the name of a cocktail? In fact it probably is, at least somewhere.

    Roissy “yes, but i don’t think those flip flops look good on you.”
    === LMAO! How about a niece-negging post? Haaaw!

    xsplat “Are you saying that it is a fact of life that men who get pregnant always raise the kids?”
    === Sure they do. After months of feel the baby kicking in his belly, a guy gets attached.

    G Manifesto “And if he was moving cane like a cripple, he would be on my radar.”
    === I encountered a couple of those guys on Broadway. Ouch, that cane in the shin hurts.

    Ash “Maybe I’ll go be the Female version of a PUA coach.”
    === First lesson: demonstrating lower value. Heh.

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  121. @Lurker/Maurice – I’ll be around the corner myself around 10 but on a date with a hottie. Next time. Sounds like a few guys that check in here are local NYC. B.

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  122. Re:Joe – “Looking at the super liberal government we have, people like him need to figure out how to get their women under control rather than focusing on minorities so much. The white female vote is responsible for many of the things he claims to hate so much.”

    As I just said to Welmer, I agree with you that White women need to be brought back under control. That means removing them from the pseudo-Marxist/feminist-infested public schools and ultra-liberal universities/college than have been largely taken over by hostile White-hating Jews who seek to miscegenate the White race out of existence so that they can assume power entirely unopposed, turning the USA and The West in Asiatic territory (NOTE: JEWS ARE ASIATIC SEMITICS WITH ROOTS IN THE NEAR EAST; THEY ARE ARE NOT WHITE-EUROPEANS)

    The gradualist/Fabian approach toward granting women more freedom actually originated in Northern Europe (esp. Germany and the UK). But the radical/immediatist White-male-hating feminist approach of the 20th/21st centuries that we are familiar with is primarily found among Ashkenazi Jews, who have (along with their allies) clearly hijacked American academia, the American mass-media, and large swathes of the American legal system, among other key sectors – in the colleges/universities they routinely fill the heads of White college-aged women with anti-White and anti-White-male filth, and the mass-media does the same on a minute-by-minute basis. The American legal system is also increasingly anti-White and especially anti-White-male – ever notice how many Jewish lawyers and Jewish judges there are nowadays all over the USA? Is that a mere coincidence, or is it something more?

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  123. on July 17, 2009 at 6:57 pm SmartyJones

    @ doug1

    Your deluded argument bores me. Abort your dick and spare us the boredom. Thanks.

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  124. Epicloz,
    Yea, anytime I see or hear what Roissy pasted from the VH1 forums about someone like Mystery, I simply call it for what it is: Hatin’. Anytime you’re making moves and making waves, people will come at you w/all manner of Id Monster, foaming at the mouth, full on Hateration. Coulda been a female poster, too for all we know.

    Like I said earlier, I basically took and modified the Mystery Method to suit my needs, both as a Black Man, and as well, my own particular tastes. For example, I wasn’t wearning ho fuzzy tophats, painting my fingernails and the rest of it, I didn’t give a damn how well it worked. It wasn’t me, so I wasn’t doing that.

    But what I DID do, was give a lot more conscious thought as to how I wanted to present myself to the world, what message I wanted to convey. And what I came up with was that I wanted to *deliberately* present myself in a way that most fits the inner me: experienced, wise, skilled, stylish, urban. I wanted to be seen in a more serious light, but not too serious to where I couldn’t laugh at life or myself.

    So, I put a lot of thought into the kinds of colors I wore, styles of clothing, etc. I also studied the movements of people I admired, and noticed that Masters of any kind don’t move around a lot. In fact, they’re quite efficient in their movements. So, I studied that.

    Plus, my “seduction name”, Obsidian, given to me by a good brother named Johnny Five, speaks to something elemental, from deep within the Earth itself. Smooth, yet nearly indestructible, and devastatingly lethal. Yea, that’s me.

    One of my favorite parts of Th Game is where, while in Eastern Europe, Style gets his head shaved completely bald at the instruction of Mystery. Mystery tells Style that going bald wasn’t a choice-but *shaving one’s head bald, IS*. That was a deeply profound and moving point for me-that we can turn our shortcomings into strengths, if we choose to. I’ve spoken here at length how height in a Man dosnt matter, so long as he’s got a Big Man personality. That’s what really matters to Women, and I’ve kinda specialized in taller gals for years. My current lady Brown Sugah, is 5’10” in her stocking feet, and played center in both highschool & college. She can’t get enough of me, and im on the way to her place for the weekend as I type this-she wants me to do her to The Roots’ “Marathon Man” again like I did the other night. 😉

    So, yea, let the Hatahs Hate! Mystery’s the Man.

    Period.

    The Obsidian

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  125. You guys ever seen this? A shrine to American women and their love of deadbeat and alpha fucking! Ha!

    http://sorry-mom.com/

    Roissy, you have to make a post on this one.

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  126. on July 17, 2009 at 7:01 pm SmartyJones

    @ doug

    “She should have been on the pill, iud, or the successor”

    Blah, blah, blah, blah. How about this, you SHOULD either keep your dick in your pants or cut it the fuck off.

    There’s you logic staring right back at you. Loser.

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  127. That’s pretty funny shit, Joe.

    That reminds me, has anyone here ever been to http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com/ ?

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  128. Fuck you commenter SmartyJones. I bet you are an ugly, greasy, stinky, and short little kike. Fucking Jew parasite, you and your Tribe are antithetical to all that is good and true in the world.

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  129. Obsidian said:

    For example, I wasn’t wearning ho fuzzy tophats, painting my fingernails and the rest of it, I didn’t give a damn how well it worked.

    I feel like he had to overcome those embellishments rather than anything else. The fact that he generally sports an incredibly corny, mid-90s, hybrid raver-punk look and still manages to get women is a testament to his tight game.

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  130. @BinNYC- bring her by for an after-dinner drink… 🙂

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  131. S.,
    Hang on sis. In no way am I knocking Mystery’s personal style, because its proven to work-for him. A very important concept of Game is Congruence-what’s on the inside has to be reflected on the outside, and if the two don’t match, you won’t be successful.

    Simply put, doing what Mystery did/does ain’t for me. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t “peacock”-I do, just in a different way that is more befitting my Obsidian manner.

    Can you dig it? 😉

    O

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  132. on July 17, 2009 at 7:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    That sounds about right S.

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  133. Obsidian:

    Yeah, I got that you weren’t knocking his personal style. I was merely quoting you to reference that I’m personally amused & impressed that he can pull off the style of peacocking he does. It’s just a bit outlandish, is all.

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  134. Hey Obsidian, you still doing the astrology thing? Your astrology blog [http://muminspeaks.blogspot.com] is not active, but I assume that you still practice the cosmic arts?

    I’m an astrologer too, though I prefer the term ‘cosmobiologist’ because I only use the astrological aspects and almost totally ignore the 12 signs along with the houses, etc. The astrological aspects are, in my opinion, the only ‘real’ part of astrology, and I think it’s very likely that they’ll eventually be proven correct by the scientific establishment.

    So it looks like we are both interested in many of the same things: astrology/cosmobiology, gender relations/game, race realism, and so on. Drop me an email sometime if you want and we’ll talk astrology: free_speech_forever_76{at}yahoo{dot}com [remove all spaces and make substitutions as necessary, of course]

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  135. Divorce rates are falling, not rising, and have been for several years.:

    http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14060999&fsrc=rss

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  136. She’ll have to work for pocket change at some redneck roadside titty bar (see: Lady Rain). Still, banging Mystery’s daughter would by quite a trophy bag. The apprentice becomes the master… and impales the master with his own sword.

    Creepy.

    I understand where this is coming from: comedy, more an issue with Mystery himself but that hit creepy.

    I’m only voicing this because making comments like this about a man’s one year old daughter (the future her, that is) is a clear demonstration of the contexts in which the issues around this post need further thought.

    So I field-tested Mystery’s video Game on my eleven year old sister:
    She listens to it for a little while, then goes “… he’s left-handed.”
    Not promising, people. What an odd little detail. Why did she notice that? She couldn’t say.
    “He looks like — from Pirates of the Carribean — what is his name? Johnny Depp.” Then throughout the rest of the video, comments like “that goatee! JOHNNY DEPP. Seriously, JOHNNY DEPP. He just has to fake his signature and he’ll make soo much [hopeless capitalist, my baby girl is]”
    Towards the end, she suddenly stopped occasionally saying how like Johnny Depp he was to say “Dakota. Spanish or Mexican or something? It’s wierd. Actually, think it was in Kill Bill.” Who let my baby watch Kill Bill? I’m going to kill them.
    Then asked her impressions about it:
    “…Cool. *pause* He looks so much like Johnny Depp [enough of that already].”
    What about if she got a video and he was her daddy?
    “I’d be like *adopts a really high voice* Oh, thaaank you!! Aww! *ends high voice, thankfully* then I’d close the window and be like ‘Oh, God, now I have to send him something. Ugh.’ “

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  137. doug1

    Welmer–

    “In fact, nationalism, derived as it is from an earth worship cult of sorts, is inherently feminine. It is Imperialism and Universalism that are inherently masculine.”

    This is pure idiocy.

    Nationalism is not at all feminine, but then neither is Imperialism. Attempts to make nationalism sound so by invoking folk beliefs of one particular sort is whack.

    Doug, perhaps I didn’t word this correctly. I do not mean that guys who fight for blood and soil are effeminate, but rather that from an ancient theological perspective they are doing so in general in obeisance to an earth mother/fertility cult. This, I think, is why we still have vestiges of that tendency in particular locales being represented by “Our Lady of Lourdes,” “Our Lady of Guadalupe,” etc. One can also find that it is usually one goddess or another favoring a particular city in the ancient Greek myths, not to mention earlier Semitic and pre-Semitic civilizations of the fertile crescent, Juno in Rome, etc. In fact, the Chinese went so far as to change a boddhisatva to the female gender to suit the dominant goddess of South China.

    So my point is that there appear to be elements of the veneration of women in nationalism. These are generally absent from masculine sky god cults, which tend to be more universal in nature (not so much in the “kumbaya” modern sense) and incline toward imperialist expression.

    It was not intended to be a value judgment, but rather something to think about.

    White Survival, if you really want to know the connections between Judaism and feminism, you ought to read the Jewish Torah. Jewish culture is based on Judaism, after all.

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  138. on July 17, 2009 at 7:47 pm SmartyJones

    Hmm I know the stars prediction for white survival:
    lots of time spent in the woods with your dog and your run down Dodge Ram truck huntin’ niggas.

    You are not very smart. I’m not short, over 200 and not jewish, or ugly. And I will most certainly kick your ass. Kick your stupidity in the swamp where the flies and shit are united with you.

    Why a good guy like thee Obsidian would want to talk with a stupid David Duke wannabe is beyond me. You plan on luring him into your swamp for a little lynching?

    Dickhead.

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  139. S –

    Did you even read the article?

    It is true that marriage is a declining institution. Marriage rates are at their lowest since 1895.

    Falling marriage rates and falling divorce rates could be two sides of the same coin, says Kathleen Kiernan, a professor of social policy at York University.

    Not to mention the writer alludes to other mitigating factors as well.

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  140. WS,
    Indeed Sir, I am an Astrologer, and will be such until The Obsidian is no more.I was born with the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in a powerful place in my horoscope. I have Astrology in the blood.

    I haven’t worked on my astroblog in awhile, due to other things that have cropped of late, but I suspect it’ll come out of hiatus later this year.

    As for Cosmobiology, I say no astroloer is complete w/o knowing the late great Reinhold Ebertin’s work. Hard aspects and midpoints is where the action is, for real. No doubt about it.

    When away from home I carry a Palm device that allows me to cast charts on the run, among other things. Its a cheap, nice & very simple tool to have.

    Thanks for the email addy. Will be in touch.

    O

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  141. on July 17, 2009 at 7:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Smart Jones

    Meet your frinedly neighborhood reverse racist.

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  142. Mr. M:

    Yes, I did. I just thought it was a catchy tagline. It just implies that maybe people who are cut out for marriage, are trying to make it work, while people who aren’t acknowledge it rather than constricting themself to a lifestyle they don’t belong to.

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  143. Heh heh at WS. “Some of my best friends are Obsidians, I just wouldn’t let them date my daughter.”

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  144. S –

    One would need the data regarding actual marriages as well. Plus, the article indicates that divorces were at an all time high in 2004 (just 3 years short of the end of the data) – according to the nice little graph, anyway.

    Honestly – just seems like someone spun the data they way they wanted to catch someone’s attention to read their article. Looks like it worked!

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  145. on July 17, 2009 at 8:00 pm SmartyJones

    Well Maurice and Lurker are in the neighborhood, but it’s doubtful they are loony as some of the nuter posts showing up on the thread.

    Maybe catch you lads on the next round. It’s real summer and hazy humidity in the big city. Time to hit some weights and hit the late night crowd. Should pop around midnite.

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  146. Mr. M:

    Haha, alright. I guess statistics can be easy to manipulate sometimes.

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  147. Always nice to come late to the party and count how many degrees of separation some commenters have taken to get from the actual post topic to white nationalism.

    Mostly an echo of PA, but here’s some required reading on the subject:

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist.html

    As for mystery, I respect him as an innovator, but… I don’t like him. I wouldn’t want to have a beer with him. He just doesn’t sound like a cool dude. What is the basis for calling him the “greatest”?

    Zdeno

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  148. I will begin to take cosmobiology seriously when its practicioners can tell me when I was born based on what they learn about me rather than the other way around.

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  149. S –

    “Haha, alright. I guess statistics can be easy to manipulate all the time.”

    Fixed.

    But in all seriousness, I thought Europe was experience a much larger increase in co-habilitation (as compared to the US, anyway)?

    An acquaintance of mine was saying divorce courts seem to be awarding custody/child support to men as well? I dunno, I called bullshit on that one.

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  150. on July 17, 2009 at 8:33 pm russell rodriguez

    “She’ll have to work for pocket change at some redneck roadside titty bar (see: Lady Rain).”

    haha thanks you roissy for getting laddy rains racist persona back!

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  151. “Also, like Mystery, I avoid using condoms whenever it’s feasible — I usually wait until I have been with the girl for at least a month. One night stands and short flings are CONDOM ONLY. Some trust has to be established before going raw.”

    Does this apply to married and engaged women as well- or do you just raw dog and bust in them asap?

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  152. on July 17, 2009 at 8:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hold up mystery had 390 woman that is it?

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  153. Tucker Max has supposedly had thousands… but I wonder how much of that is shameless self-promotion.

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  154. Maybe Dakota Breeze was conceived in the wild outdoors of Dakota and he felt some breeze…ya nevermind.

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  155. on July 17, 2009 at 9:12 pm I choose quality

    – Gunslingergregi – “Hold up mystery had 390 woman that is it?”

    – Aenigma – “Tucker Max has supposedly had thousands”

    Does the phrase QUALITY OVER QUANTITY mean anything to anyone here?

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  156. Does the phrase QUALITY OVER QUANTITY mean anything to anyone here?

    Sure it does; but how do you determine quality without engaging with a quantity of women?

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  157. LEAAVE MYSTERY/DAKOTA BREEZE ALONE!!

    You can’t escape celebrity gossip even on a male-oriented blog apparently.

    You men, hiding such things about your human selves behind stereotypes.

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  158. random person: ohmyGOOOD, did you hear about mystery having a daughter?
    dude: OMG NO WAII, dude!! How the mighty have fallen!
    fans of mystery/kids: Dude, leave mystery alone! It’s a hazard of the Game! Kids are awesome! One song doesn’t mean anything! He’s going through a tough time!

    *fight ensues, involving mud and nakedness under the feminist and equalist agenda *

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  159. O said:

    >Just doing these things alone netted Arpie sex he
    >hadn’t had in some two

    I missed this in the 10,000 weekly comments… where is the field report? I gotta read it out of morbid curiosity.

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  160. Having experienced both fatherhood and the thrill of seduction, I think Roissy has it exactly backwards as to which leads to feeling “hollow inside”. Evolution makes sex fun, and it makes parenthood fun, both for the same reason – they help your genes. But perhaps it is different for different people.

    Also, if Mystery really is not seeing the kid much, and not paying child support, isn’t that the ultimate genetic win for an alpha dad? Passing on genes without having to do any work?

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  161. Hmmm … Sarah Michelle Gellar, Michelle Trachtenberg, Amanda Bynes, and Alona Tal all look pretty White to me.

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  162. Oh, and like Stalin said, Quantity has it’s own quality.

    Who is Tucker Max?

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  163. @whiskey:

    http://www.tuckermax.com

    Blog detailing his sexual (mis)adventures.

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  164. on July 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    By the looks of the video, Mystery doesn’t have a lot of $$$, and if he does, he certainly doesn’t live like it. He looks like he’s sitting in some plain college dorm or budget bachelor pad. Perhaps all the $$$ is going to child support?

    If he loves his daughter so much then why isn’t she in the video with him?

    Its weird to see a dad sending a message to his baby via youtube.

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  165. If anyone is making millions, it’s David D, as he is one of the few dating gurus that has actually broken his stuff down to something the average guy will understand. I love Mystery’s stuff, but why is he the end all be all to game? When someone like Bishop Don Magic Juan leaves the game (if he hasn’t already), then you have something to talk about. Afterall, all of that neg theory and peacocking started way before Mystery and company.

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  166. JerrDog–

    My little field report is here.

    Obsidian–

    I’m thinking about the next steps.

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  167. Is Mystery with the mom of Bacardi Breezer?

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  168. Arpagus,

    What thread is it on?

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  169. Arp –

    What I don’t get in your story is:

    at one of those rare moments when she wasn’t interacting with 10 other guys because they were hitting on her or she on them

    Were 10 other guys really hitting on this woman? The picture you provided………….I’m just skeptical.

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  170. Mr.M–

    Admittedly it was mostly her flirting with them. But I had to wait for the other guys to go away before making a move. Which they probably did because she is not super hot, sure. Either way, it is really difficult to find a girl all by herself so you can run the AO.

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  171. on July 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm Your adorable pet

    Hands or Paws or Anything They Got: Masturbation in the animal kingdom

    http://www.slate.com/id/2223013/pagenum/all/#p2

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  172. Obsidian

    Like you said, the WNs of the world come off as bitter losers, which Women DO NOT LIKE. Like I said, if you guys (the general “you”, not you personally) were really serious, you’d be studying Game. Not Ian Jobling.

    Well, despite the fact that I don’t consider myself a White Nationalist (lost cause), I’ve got to disabuse you of this retarded notion that women do not like WNs.

    In fact, one of the best ways to get a good hard lay as a white boy might be to work out, shave your head and get some radical tattoos.

    I’ve known outright skinheads whose personal lives were a total mess, and they therefore had social workers assigned to them.

    Guess what? The social worker women took off their pants for some hotsex with the skins. Watch Romper Stomper and you might get an idea of the environment.

    Also, as I mentioned previously, David Duke has been getting laid by all sorts of women on a regular basis for at least the last 40 years.

    Be real, Obsidian: the WN radicals are the white version of black gangbangers. Women get all wet over that. They get laid all the time, and you should know it.

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  173. despite the fact that I don’t consider myself a White Nationalist (lost cause),

    It is a matter of semantics and fashion. You (and I) don’t carry a membership card to any WN organizations, we are not politically active in this area, nor do we wear funny uniforms and shit.

    But where do we gravitate to, as far as living among, dating, being friends with, etc: like 99.99% of humanity, to people who look and think like ourselves. We aren’t “going native” in Laos or East St. Louis. We’re making our life among other white people.

    And having environment that allows it to contiune is called having a habitat.

    What White Nationalists (among whom neither of us is active) do, though, is, with varying degrees of hysteria or intelligence, is talk/act upon the objective reality of white people’s habitats shrinking.

    In other words, they are formally engaged in advocating the preservation of what you and I take for granted: the continued ability to exist among our fellow co-racials.

    Note: I don’t have a good recall on what your persona is; for all I know you might be married into Indian folks and you don’t goive a piss about being aroudn other whites. In that case, the “we” I used earleir applies not to you and me, but to me and 99% of other white people.

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  174. Arp,

    Jesus…. i’m spoiled…. rotten…she sure is no looker but a guy’s gotta start somewhere after a long drought…. don’t let me judge for you… I think something is better than nothing. And as you get a bit older I can guarantee you won’t have to settle for this.

    and honestly I’m not so sure what I could get with the actual use of an AO….

    I was almost tempted to use it (the AO) on chick at an airport that looked slutty, early-30ish, but had huge tits. Overall a 7 to an 8 due to skank derate (probably was a solid 9 5 years ago). She looked like that Nina Hartley porn chick just before she really hit the wall. She caught me checking her out and I flirted at her and just kept holding eye contact with her – a little longer than most pussy guys would do. I made it a point not to be subtle. I was thinking of AOing her in baggage claim at our destination.

    But I later sat next to her on the plane (yes I’m the blunt dick that always transparently games the seating shuffling so as to sit next to the hot chick) and found out that she was a former “entertainer” (wtf? a stripper?) and she was coming back to this city she had just moved to 2 months ago to escape a stalker. She knew hardly anyone in this new town and hinted that she wanted me to take her to a slipknot concert (aggressive chick knows her eggs are starting to go)…. but I didn’t even number close because I already have a fuckbuddy in that town and don’t want to sit through a fucking trailer trash rock concert for the 50% chance of getting a bj from a skank obviously hoping to cash her boobs in for a rich guy that is good looking.

    Would an AO have worked? Doubt it. And my target flunked her interview – something you can’t figure out when doing an AO. But my bold blunt game that I pulled was inspired by considering it. So I think AO isn’t worthless because it emboldens you just thinking about it.

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  175. PA

    Note: I don’t have a good recall on what your persona is; for all I know you might be married into Indian folks and you don’t goive a piss about being aroudn other whites. In that case, the “we” I used earleir applies not to you and me, but to me and 99% of other white people.

    Nah, I married a working-class white girl. Big mistake where she was concerned, but I’m more comfortable around white women in general, if for no other reason than physical compatibility and mutual attraction.

    Also, I like white people and hope they still exist for a long time, but my God they behave terribly! Morally speaking, I don’t think white folks have the upper hand by any means, however, as a white guy myself with a couple white kids, I still stand up for them.

    Nevertheless, I’d say that white women are amongst the worst-behaved human beings on this planet, and the vast majority of them get far, far more than they deserve in terms of respect and material comfort.

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  176. Arpargus, if you had the ability to choose which of your genes got passed on to your child, would you do so? Would you pass on Grandpas musical gifts, if you could?

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  177. woops – wrong thread.

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  178. Does mystery really have a daughter? he could be running soft underbelly game. i can only imagine all the pools of vaginal fluid as women all over the world watch this.

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  179. Welmer,
    Actually, I would agree w/your comments about Skinheads and you likening them to Black Gangbangers-and therein lies the point. Note the similarity btw the two-they both exhibit behaviors of Alpha Males that Women invariably find attractive.

    Ian Jobling and Jared Taylor type speak on the other hand? I’m not seeing much evidence for that.

    David Duke’s supposed womanizing I really can’t explain either-it’s quite possible that he’s a singular talent insofar as Natural Game is concerned, if so more power to him. It would be interesting to get some background on this aspect of his life.

    Anyway-yea, if a guy gets tatted up, shaves his head bald, lifts a bit, dresses in a tuggish sort of way, etc, he’ll likely score more w/the chicks, no doubt about it, and not just the hoodrat chickenhead types either. Makes sense. But I maintain it aint the White Nationalism talk that’s what’s reeling the Poon in, its all the Alpha Male posturing stuff.

    O

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  180. take that D: The first step is denial.

    You know what you saw there could only be weakly labelled as Game.

    You know mystery has better methods.

    Is he really inventing Sap Dad Pickup?

    The next step is…

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  181. Oh, and point of clarification:

    Captain America’s shield is actually a Vibranium/Adamantium *alloy*. Much stronger even, than Wolverines claws/skeleton.

    But still, loved Roissy’s mention of it. What a blast from the past!

    O

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  182. If we agree that, love him or hate him, Mystery is definitely the type of guy who looks at social dynamics in an unblinking, coldly realistic way, and if he is plainly gaga over a squalling, incontinent blob of (his) baby-flesh – what does this tell us?
    I mean, what does it tell us about human nature? Even human nature under the appearance of a guy whose main priority has been fiddling with the sexuality of young women? I think the answer is that loving your children is a very similar to loving poontang. The two obviously overlap in terms of what they lead to – beautiful, fertile, sane, healthy children.
    In Latin Cultures especially they make a realistic effort to coordinate the two prongs of alpha fulfillment. If you are rich & enough like a PM of Italy.

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  183. I second Welmer. WN types just like Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, and Jessie Jackson get all kinds of loving. Women are all over those types. All the time.

    You’d not believe it. And yeah, Wright, Farrakhan, and Jackson are the Black equivalents of David Duke. Women respond to power and intimidation. Those black guys whine about Whitey plenty, believe me.

    Here in Diversity Central, however, I’ve got direct exposure to “FOB” Asians, Muslim men and women (lots of them here in SoCal) who appear to be mostly from India, lots of Indians, as well as your garden variety Mexicans, and so on. Very few Blacks outside of Long Beach and South LA though.

    From all that, White Women are far and away the best behaved, most polite, least entitled, least aggressive, least obnoxious, and most polite of all peoples and groups I meet on a daily basis. The kids of White women are mostly well behaved, and adorable. Mexican, FOB Asian, and Muslim/Indian kids are total brats, the Mexican and FOB Asians the worst. Rude, obnoxious, and totally blocking your movements. The amount of passive-aggressive actions I both encounter personally and observe by these groups in nice, middle class areas would not be believed. [Second-Third generation Asian men/women and their kids act like that of Whites.]

    I can personally attest to the ever more limited areas and spaces Whites are “allowed” to exist in wrt Southern California. Here in SoCal it’s a matter of numbers and economics. Immigrant groups can and will utilize a family/clan network for group living, various governmental assistance and hiring preferences (i.e. a FOB Indian/Muslim or Mexican Immigrant is instantly eligible for AA) and so on. Irvine went from the last fifteen years from a mostly White enclave to one mostly Asian/Indian/Muslim (Pakistani-Indian) with less than 45% Whites. I went past one of the Irvine HS’s (Woodbridge) in May on a business appointment and was shocked — not a single White kid. SoCal is a high-cost of living place, so those with family advantages of living (Whites fare poorly there) have advantages, absent AA preferences.

    White Women in SoCal are far preferable to the alternatives. Believe me.

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  184. Obsidian

    David Duke’s supposed womanizing I really can’t explain either-it’s quite possible that he’s a singular talent insofar as Natural Game is concerned, if so more power to him. It would be interesting to get some background on this aspect of his life.

    Oh yeah, Duke, Bill Pierce, Bob Matthews, all those guys… They were all about the poon, and they got plenty. While David Lane was in prison, all he could talk about was how many wives he ought to have.

    I guess all I can chalk it up to is if you live on the edge, you get paid in poon.

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  185. David Duke? Don’t be silly. He is just another slick-combed-hair media pimp. That does not mean the chicks don’t line up for it. But they are lining up for a dose of fame, that’s all.
    Shit, every guy with a record deal has groupies no matter what they sing about.

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  186. whiskey

    From all that, White Women are far and away the best behaved, most polite, least entitled, least aggressive, least obnoxious, and most polite of all peoples and groups I meet on a daily basis.

    Well, Whiskey, maybe SoCal is where I should go, because here in Seattle we have a mob of radical feminist, power-hungry, money-grubbing, backstabbing bitches led by closeted dykes like Maria Cantwell, and not-so-closeted dykes like Jan Drago (running for mayor in Seattle).

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  187. PUA for the ladies Russian style: Lessons in Love – Millionaire Hunters

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/07/16/hearstmagrelationships311029.DTL

    A lot of good tips for the ladies from the still patriarchal society of slavs, but still full of contradictions…

    “…Varra says she encourages students to look beyond a man’s wallet to find other good qualities — to avoid being trapped in a “loveless golden cage” — but outside the new rich elite, decent prospects remain sparse. Russian women outnumber men by more than 10 million, and many men suffer from joblessness, chronic alcoholism, and early death (male life expectancy here is 59).

    Holding on to a good man long-term is an equally high-stakes matter. Divorce in Russia is easy; a powerful man can divorce his wife “in an hour,” according to one local insider. Under the country’s anachronistic divorce laws, husbands are generally not obliged to give their wives a penny, and they are often awarded custody of the children. “Relationships are like roulette for modern Russian women,” says the insider. “They have a lot to win and everything to lose, so they can never afford to get complacent.”

    On a Saturday night at Varra’s school, against a backdrop of garish reds and pinks, five students are gyrating their hips and tossing their hair to the manic beat of Russian disco (think early Madonna crossed with Cossack music). And this is just the warm-up. Tonight’s class is “How to Be Your Man’s Number-One Lover.” Lessons include trying out erotic massage on a live male model, practicing fellatio with the aid of bananas and lollipops, and learning how to praise a man’s sexual prowess “convincingly.”

    “Russian men relate to women mainly through sex,” Varra tells the students, who range in age from 21 to 60, and who wait as long as a year-and-a-half to attend the popular classes. “So if a man is happy in bed, you’re halfway there.” But only halfway, she cautions, because even the most sexually acrobatic woman won’t succeed unless she knows how to manipulate a man’s brain as well. “You must show him you have self-respect, that you are a precious jewel he must cherish,” says Varra, who is a trained psychologist with three divorces under her flashy silver belt. “Otherwise he will get bored and drink vodka.” She winks. (Interestingly, Varra herself is not looking for another husband; she is focused instead on her booming business.)

    Varra’s basic approach is to teach women how to gain power over men by using classic feminine and sexual wiles. To the Western feminist mind, it might seem a bit retrograde, yet Varra insists that Russian women are the ultimate post-feminists. “We know all about equality and independence — we’ve been there,” she tells me. During the Soviet era, which ended in 1991, millions of men died in wars and labor camps. Women often ran their households alone, while also working in factories. The problem is that Russian men, says Varra, remain deeply patriarchal and still expect women to be subservient. “Rather than try to change men, which will take another 200 years,” she says, “we might as well get whatever we can out of them now.”

    Perched on a sofa in the correct femme-fatale posture of “chest out, stomach in, ass out,” Maria Markova, 24, nods in agreement. Markova, a typical svelte Russian beauty with long blonde hair, has already graduated from the 12-week “How to Marry in Three Months” course, which costs $1800. She found it so enlightening that she joined the “Lover” class, too.

    “I’ve never had a problem getting men because I’m so beautiful,” she says, swinging her long legs over the side of the sofa. “But they treated me like a plaything, and I didn’t know how to stop it.” Markova, a sauna attendant, has learned how to target the men she likes using direct eye contact and conversational ploys, so she is in charge from the start. What she wants, she says, is a “real man who will take care of me.” Some diamonds and designer frocks wouldn’t hurt, either. “Yes, of course he must be wealthy,” she says, looking incredulous that the question was even asked.

    Is money really so important? It’s not hard to see how style- and status-conscious the country has become. In Moscow, once the grim heart of socialist austerity, ads for Swiss watches, German cars, and Italian leather are draped over the facades of historic buildings, and some city restaurants demand a minimum order of $300 per table. Even the former Soviet president Mikhail S. Gorbachev has embraced luxury, appearing in a recent promotion for Louis Vuitton luggage.

    Markova isn’t married yet, although thanks to Varra’s lessons, she says she is dating a wealthy businessman who she believes will “propose any day.”

    Foxy grandmother Ella Videnina, 60, is also a graduate of the marriage class. She succeeded in getting hitched at the end of it — to her fifth husband. “My past husbands always relied on me. I wanted to reverse that,” says the slim Videnina, a government office worker. When she joined the class, she was dating a new man who seemed promisingly generous. “The best thing I learned was never to refuse him anything in bed. It worked.” Not only did he marry her, she says, he also began lavishing her with expensive gifts: “He gave me a new car and a plasma TV for my birthday.”

    Married women are also flocking to Varra for help in holding on to the husbands they already have. “After nine years of marriage, my husband stopped noticing me,” says Olga Rosnina, 37, a statuesque redheaded real-estate agent. Rosnina joined Varra’s “How to Bring Back Your Honeymoon” course, which involved “advanced” sex tips, as well as advice on how to spice up daily life. “Before, I only wore jeans and flats, so I bought miniskirts, high heels, and lipstick,” says Rosnina. Combined with her new bedroom skills, the effect on her husband was instant. “He’s much warmer and less uptight,” she says. “And he gives me whatever I ask for.”

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  188. slugger

    be sure to make the cut lengthwise along the artery. make sure the cut is deep. a serrated blade is best. after you start to feel light headed, just have another drink and take a deep breath.

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  189. Doug1, this comment of yours is nonsense: As if that’s always been the case in history, regardless of the sluttiness of the girl. At most it’s tended to be the case when the girl had an innocent and pure reputation but was seduced by a rake, and then generally only if she was from a middle class or higher family. Often she’d be married off right quick to someone else instead though – if she were a girl of such good reputation (or really stellar social standing, which would gloss over reputation, in the real, and corrupt world.).

    Historically, men who had children out of wedlock were expected to support them. Period. Bastard children were a charge upon the community into which they were born. This was the cause of much resentment towards unmarried mothers, and so most communities did what they could to police the behaviour of single women. If they “slipped”, the community was almost certain to know who the father was, and to make him pay for the support of his child. No man, unless he was a vagrant or a pauper, could hope to readily escape his responsibility for his bastard children through most of European history.

    It’s true that girls of good family who became pregnant might get “married off” to men who were not the fathers of their child, but some/all of the money for their dowries usually came from the child’s father.

    It was only as the Industrial Revolution began to break down traditional social organization that bastard children came to be commonplace. Prior to that, it wasn’t unusual for young women to conceive out of wedlock, but they usually married the fathers of their children in short order.

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  190. No clue what you are talking about Rum.

    I am too busy tasting the fine variety of sexy Russian women out looking to land a quality man. The best thing is there is always another younger and even more eager one that comes along as soon as the sun rises once again…

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  191. on July 18, 2009 at 2:24 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’Rum
    If we agree that, love him or hate him, Mystery is definitely the type of guy who looks at social dynamics in an unblinking, coldly realistic way, and if he is plainly gaga over a squalling, incontinent blob of (his) baby-flesh – what does this tell us?
    I mean, what does it tell us about human nature? Even human nature under the appearance of a guy whose main priority has been fiddling with the sexuality of young women? I think the answer is that loving your children is a very similar to loving poontang. The two obviously overlap in terms of what they lead to – beautiful, fertile, sane, healthy children.
    In Latin Cultures especially they make a realistic effort to coordinate the two prongs of alpha fulfillment. If you are rich & enough like a PM of Italy.””””””””””””’

    cool thoughts

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  192. on July 18, 2009 at 2:27 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Sluggers
    No clue what you are talking about Rum.

    I am too busy tasting the fine variety of sexy Russian women out looking to land a quality man. The best thing is there is always another younger and even more eager one that comes along as soon as the sun rises once again…””””””””””

    I don’t get it either sounds like a russian lady is trying to give value for the money you will probably spend anyway.

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  193. Welmer —

    Perhaps. Dating is pretty nasty in SoCal, it’s all about the car, clothes, and any connection to fame you might have as a guy, and the women are IMHO racking up some impressive amounts of numbers based on the (admittedly anecdotal) stuff I hear from those I work with or around. It’s made worse through the ever-declining amount of White women/men.

    That being said, daily life is fairly pleasant. There’s almost no Lesbians in Orange County, and not that many in public life in LA County. White men and women are invariably polite, pleasant, respectful, and helpful to one another. Much nicer than in NYC for sure. Gays are vocal and a nuisance in LA County, but non-existent here in Orange County.

    However, compared to Dallas, or Denver, SoCal must take a back seat. People in the DFW metro area were just about the nicest folks I ever met. Period. Denver people are nice too and nicer than here. I’m told by relatives though I’ve never been there, that Salt Lake City and Boise though cold are even nicer, filled with polite and orderly folks.

    Northern OC is run by various Vietnamese/Mexican machines and politicos, among them the Sanchez sisters (who are pieces of work, but definitely not Lesbian), South OC is still Republican, and Irvine/Aliso Viejo is run by the Taiwan emigre network, with ever increasing Indian, Pakistani, and other South Asian emigres. LA’s politics are Westside smug yuppies, East LA La Raza types, South LA La Raza and Black machine pols, Taiwanese in the San Gabriel Valley, and Republicans out in the outer-reaches of the San Fernando valley and so on.

    BUT … with all that, daily interactions at coffee places, grocery stores, and so on, folks are polite, respectful, helpful, and well nice. My own thoughts are that the sunlight and Mediterranean climate induce in a general level, more upbeat attitudes and less gloom and doom. It’s notable that while LA’s music scene has produced many cynics, none have been as depressive as Seattle’s scene.

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  194. Dating is pretty nasty in SoCal, it’s all about the car, clothes, and any connection to fame you might have as a guy,

    No wonder I’m having so much trouble 😦 I need top notch game here yet I’m struggling to master the basics.

    My own thoughts are that the sunlight and Mediterranean climate induce in a general level, more upbeat attitudes and less gloom and doom.

    Absolutely. And if you’ve noticed, people are even nicer the closer you are to the ocean. Most people who live within 1-2 miles of the ocean are very laid back and friendly.

    With everything I hate about California politics, liberalism, and immigration, I just can’t bring myself to leave the beaches. It’s beautiful year round. Just about any time of year you can go to the beach, go hiking, go to a park, etc. My friends who live in the CA deserts or outside the state do nothing but complain about the heat in summer and the cold in winter. I think I would go crazy living somewhere else.

    The women are a different story. Maybe it’s just because I’m in a slump, but IMHO dating is a bitch out here. If this dry spell doesn’t break soon I’m going to go all David Alexander on you guys and start saving for sexbots.

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  195. What is this no bareback/rawdog nonsense?

    Seriously, you people are homos sometimes.

    How can you bust on her face with a condom on? You can drive a car with your feet, but it doesn’t make it a good fuckin’ idea

    1. Fuck women that don’t do hard drugs
    2. Fuck women that don’t fuck dudes that fuck dudes
    3. Bustez sur le visage

    Coitus interuptus is as effective as condom sex. and by effective i mean not getting the bitch preggers, and by coitus interuptus i mean facials. Take a piss and wash your johnson after.

    The quote is from Chris Rock

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  196. Not paying child support to someone leeching off you is Alpha
    But I can’t condone ignoring one’s own child. That’s just wrong.

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  197. My guess is the daughter was an accident. Sperm meets ovum…oops, oh how I enjoy being a father!

    No matter. The way things are now, the girl will be humping around before her 12th birthday in school.

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  198. Few questions for WHITE SURVIVAL:

    1: You know Obsidian is black?

    2: No one denies Jews are responsible for a lot of race denialism and leftist thought. There’s no doubt these are very destructive policies. They also engage in alot of tribalism.

    But your ire towards them seems to overgeneralize. Let me make clear I’m not saying a few counterexamples prove anything, just wondering what your view is on these specific individuals.

    How do you view hardcore conservatives like Michael Savage (author of Case against Affirative Action: Death of the White Male), Dennis Prager, Bernie Goldberg (wrote books about liberal media bias), etc? And Jewish race realists like HalfSigma, Latte Island, Richard Hernstein?

    Of course, I’m not denying Jews are overepresented in the leftist, multiculturalism circles, but just curious how you view the types of individuals listed above?

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  199. Oh wow, Mystery has human emotions!

    Shocking revelations.

    Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal.

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  200. You know Obsidian is black?

    WS probably knows this. He brought up O’s “Mumin” blog, on which Obsidian has a photo of himself posted.

    Being a white nationalist doesn’t preclude one from having cordial or even friendly relations with blacks and respecting worthy individuals of that race.

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  201. Whiskey,
    I think it unfair of you to lump in Farrakhan, Jackson and Wright into the same boat, they’re quite different. Jackson has never been a Black Nationalist; Farrakhan and Wright I think it fair to say comes a lot closer to that.

    At any rate, yup, you’re right, none of these Men are wanting for female company if they so choose. And we know, for a fact that at least in one case, Jackson’s, that he did indeed take advantage of his position to do the deed, w/a resulting daughter being born out of it, nearly a decade ago.

    As far as I know, no such allegations have been made of Farrakhan or Wright.

    At any event, neither can be called “White Nationalists”.

    O

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  202. People react to “white nationalism” like it’s some wierd, scary, loserish, extreme political ideology. But remove the label “WN” from the rhetoric of white nationalists, and you’ll find that the so-called “white nationalist” is … a normal person.

    No different in essential ways from a white ultra-liberal, if judged by his acts and not words, who somehow ends up shelling big bucks to live among other white people.

    Or a black person, who is sensitive to slights, real and perceived, against his race and who will tell you that he is proud to be black. Do we call him a “black nationalist”? No, we call him a normal person.

    Racial solidarity is a normal part of being human, and when blacks claim Michael Jackson as one of their own, but not Eminem or Vanilla Ice, they are just being normal human beings.

    And I don’t see why a sector of the white overclass at some point durinng the 1960s decided that an average white person is “above all that.”

    By its creation, the Unied States was until recently legitimately about 85% white (mostly Anglo), 12% black, and 3% “other.” Everybody spoke English and almost everybody was Christian.

    In such arrangement that we had, it was necessary to find a way to ensure that the races coexist peacefully. What the “civil rights” revolution did, though, is to unilaterally disarm whites (at least the non-elite whites) against natural aggressive impulses of blacks. Thus, the Civil Rights revolution was a dismal failure, and the beginning of the death of America.

    What the Civil Rights revolution should have done is to remedy the abuses suffered by blacks in some areas of the country, but without rendering whites defenseless against the loss of their own habitat in terms of schools and neighborhoods. And every American’s loss of his country.

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  203. Welmer: A lot of girls who become social workers are the sort who are attracted to thugs and badboys and believe their love can reform them.

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  204. @ PA:

    What you said definitely has substance, but I don’t think applies to WHITE SURVIVAL. Look back over some of his posts from this comment thread, especially his response to SmartyJones.

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  205. Ken, PA,
    I don’t have any problem w/”Pro White” people at all. As I said yesterday, I don’t see anything inherently wrong about being proud of one’s ethnicity or tribe or race; Whites, as a group and over history, have undoubtedly contributed tremendously to world history, culture, you name it. So to me, its silly to suggest the notion that for a White person to be proud of the fact that they’re White is some how injurious.

    I don’t think being Pro White automatically means that one is Anti Black, Brown, etc. It CAN mean that, but not automatically, to me. It all depends on the orientation and goals of the person involved.

    For example, I make a big distinction between PA and Jared Taylor. Both seem to me to be “Pro White” but I get a different vibe from each through their printed words on the computer screen. Although I have to say that Taylor is quite cordial and focused in his writings and public appearances than any of the other “race realists” on the White side (I saw a debate btw him and a Hispanic-American academic, on the question of Hispanic immigration-Taylor tore the guy apart), still, when I read him and then PA, I get a different sense from them both of where they want this thing to go.

    Though I’ve yet to actually meet PA, I’m pretty sure we can hang out and all the rest of it, w/o any problems at all. He’s a former military Man, and I’m sure he can speak of a number of Black Men he’s served with whom he had no problem with as well. Again, to me, being Pro White doesn’t automatically mean being anti-anyone else.

    O

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  206. WS probably does have many good points to make, but they are buried in unnecessarily hostile and paranoid rhetoric. And that repels people from his position, rather than attracting them.

    That’s why I advised him to drop the screed-writing and instead to work in sounding cool and funny.

    In the Age of Media, there are two ways to bring about a successful revolution:

    1) pull-no-punches all-out violent hostility, like the Islamists have adapted in intimidating the political classes of Europe and in other places. But to pull that off, you better be ready to commit violence. I don’t endorse this approach in the context of American racial re-normalization.

    2) Make a whole generation of smart and fashionable young people wanna be like you.

    I advised Mr. White Survival to go for No. 2.

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  207. — I don’t think being Pro White automatically means that one is Anti Black, Brown, etc.

    Agreed 100% Obsidian. I like my best buddy whom I’ve known since junior high school and I’d take a bullet for him, but if he starts coming into my house without an invitation and acting like he owns the place, it’s beat-down time.

    — He’s a former military Man, and I’m sure he can speak of a number of Black Men he’s served with whom he had no problem with as well.

    Funny thing I noticed 10 years ago at a SWPL party I went to… there was a black guy who had also served in the Army, and I found myself talking with him for much of the time. Military service at least in the US has a way of instilling people from diffrent walks of life wiht a common culture.

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  208. Why are we talking about race again?

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  209. mandy

    all race is is an extended family that’s partially inbred, therefore any convo about breeding turns to race

    CF. margaret Sanger, that hero of the left’s essay “women and the new race”

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  210. Also PA,
    Wrt your comments on the Civil Rights Era, while I see what you’re saying I don’t think it was, or is, possible under the Constitution to merely “target the affected areas” in a legal sense. The laws either have to apply to the society as a whole, or none at all; using the power of the court and/or legislature to target only certain groups is, I believe, prohibited.

    In any major movement there will be unintended consequences, because human beings cannot see all the ins and outs of things to come. The challenge is for us human beings to be vigilant in correcting those errors when they crop up, while still retaining the good that said measures were brought about to address in the first place.

    For example, I agree that private businesses and the like (private schools, etc.) should be exempt from having to desegregate *by law*-provided they are fully self-supporting from private funding sources, etc. However, if they receive ANY assistance AT ALL from the local, state or federal gov’t, then they should, and must, abide by said gov’t regulations, etc. That would mean desegregating their businesses, schools, etc.

    I think these things should remain for the most part, in the public sector and let the private sector deal w/things on its own. One thing I will say, having actually run businesses and made payroll etc in the past is, you can’t serve two masters-cant be both an ideologue and maximize profits. Sooner or later, you gotta make your choice as to which is more important to you. And if you don’t choose, it will be made for you.

    Regardless of how I may personally feel about Gay Marriage the fact remains that Gay folks spend BIG money on the things they want and like. And if I’m in a consumer-driven business-and most American businesses are-I have to recognize this reality. Having a hirin policy that excludes Gays may serve my own personal ideological interests, but at the cost of maximizing my bottomline-because Gay folks also tend to heavily network. They talk and the word spreads around. And then there are non-Gay folk who are nevertheless sympathetic to Gays for various reasons-they may not be inclined to do business with me once the word got out that I don’t hire Gay folk, and so on.

    So, that’s a risk I have to be willing to make, to serve an ideological master, if you will. You see what I’m saying?

    And the same can be said of Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, etc. In fact, here in Philly, prominent businessman Joey Vento came under fire when he put up a sign in the window of his cheesesteak shop, Geno’s Steaks down in South Philly, that said “When ordering, please speak English”. It was in response to what he perceived as an incursion of largely illegal Hispanic immigration into what used to be Old Italy section of South Philly.

    The local Human Rights Commission brought action against Vento for the signage, there were all manner of protests against him, etc, but Vento stood firm. I don’t know what eventually happened, nor do I know if Vento’s business was indeed hurt or helped by the measure. What I do know was he was willing to make an ideological point and willing to put his own business on the line to do it, which I personally respect, and disagreed w/the HRC stepping in-they way to handle it is by way of the Market. If people agree w/Vento, they’ll patronize his business; if they don’t, they won’t.

    O

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  211. Mandy,
    I have to agree w/Dana’s comments in reply to your question; Sex & Race are quite closely linked, for the reasons she has enumurated.
    Sanger, btw, was indeed a racist; she was a strident Eugenicist and met w/the Klan on at least one occasion, for the sole purpose of lowering the Black birthrate. This is the chief reason why I cannot support Planned Parenthood in ANY way whatsoever, and when I debate any Pro Choice person and bring up Sanger’s role in PP, they can’t give me any straight talk in response.

    O

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  212. James O.

    Am I the only one who thinks “Dakota Breeze” sounds like the name of a cocktail?

    yep. pretty much…

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  213. lol obs,

    no shit about pro choicers and sanger–real convo stopper

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  214. PA,
    Sailer has written at length about how the US Military is one of a few remaining institutions that instil a sense of common purpose and shared destiny among its ranks. No matter if one comes from Command or was Enlisted, the same rules, way of life, goals and interests apply. One of the reasons why the military was an attractive option for so many Black Men was because of this, especialy after Truman desegregated the military (barracks, mess halls, etc) following WW2. My grandfather was a Drill Sargent in the Marines during WW2, and would tell me how the barracks and mess halls were strictly color-divided, yet he would be routinely consulted by White Officers about various aspects of training, combat readiness and so on.

    Another major area of American life that has achieved similar results is at the college and professional levels of Football. Which is truly a feat, given the sheer number of guys on the squad to begin with. Again, Sailer addresses all of this, and is a very good read.

    O

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  215. maurice

    Magic Bullets is pretty good intro/guide to game.

    meh. It’s just ok – that’s only bc it’s a unholy alliance of legal fights between One Giant Ego and Another Greedy Fuck.

    It’s a secondhand clone of Mystery’s original work.

    Hawking it like doughy carnival barkers on every fucked-up fatty female talk show is grating. It smacks of desperation and goes beyond the appearance of impropriety. Like Gene Simmons pushing KISS blow-up anal dolls.

    All they need are microphones like Vince, “The Shamwow! Guy” to keep it real.

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  216. Obsidian, yea, I remember Sailer making a point about how black and white guys get along best on the Big 10 jock scene, not in prissy liberal arts settings.

    Funny thing I recall is how sometime during the early 1990s some mainstream media source (MTV, Newsweek, don’t remember) had a very “disapproving” feature on two rap/metal bands touring together, one being black nationalists with the power-fist, military fatigues, angry-looking black guy fronting it, and the other a skinhead band.

    Not sure why I brought it up, as neither rap nor metal are my scene, but I kinda thought it was cool how men of strong opinions can get together with mutual cordiality.

    By the way, a good movie that showed blacks and whites working together like a band of brothers is “Friday Night Lights.” One of my favorite movies ever.

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  217. Dana,
    Another reason why I oppose Planned Parenthood is because in an age where Women’s advocacy groups are so numerous, one would think they can pull together the funding themselves to support PP, etc. If Women, as a group, are so strong, powerful etc, why don’t they do this? Why must people like me, support PP why my tax dollars? Now, please keep in mind-I don’t want to shut PP down-I just want it to go the Free Market Model. If people want to support, they should be able to do so. And if they don’t, they shouldn’t be forced to do so, either.

    As for Abortion itself, I’m Pro Life on principle, but realize and accept the simple fact that Women, regardless of political affiliation etc, aren’t likely to accept a flatout ban on it. What’s more likely to happen are more commonsense restrictions being placed on it, and, really important, Roe For Men being recognized and codified the say way the original Roe was. This will effectively kill the vacuous and often vicious Abortion Debate because both Men and Women alike will be free to as much sex as they like w/o ever having to be forced into being a parent.
    O

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  218. obs, you have no idea how much i favor roe for men

    i will be extending a heartfelt olive branch to you later if you care, stay tuned

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  219. Mandy! xD

    Why are we talking about race again?

    bc they’re busy perfecting
    a sure-fire way to kill
    this fucking blog

    MOUT

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  220. PA,
    Yes, FNL was a very good movie, and highlighted the football culture of Texas (the sheer number of NFL players who came out of the states of TX & FL are quite impressive). Remember The Titans is another good movie along these lines, based on true events.

    Don’t know about the MTV special you saw, but its a known fact that Public Enemy and Anthrax toured together quite a bit over the years. I can’t recall Anthrax’s frontman’s name, but I understand that he and Chuck D was quite cool w/each other as well.

    Additionally, we have to keep in mind that both Booker T Washington and Marcus Garvey met w/Klan heads on several occasions; if I’m not mistaken, they offered both Men funds to realize their goals, in Washington’s case, to build an “A&T” school to teach Blacks to be self-sufficient, and in Garvey’s case to refurb oceanliners to send Blacks back to Africa.

    And again, from all that I’ve read and actually have seen of Jared Taylor, he seems a very cordial guy to discuss issues of race and the like with. I think its quite possible to have reasoned and respectful discourse along these lines among Men who are deeply committed to their own respective sides of the debate.

    O

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  221. Dana,
    RFM is yet another area of serious Cognitive Dissonance for those on the Pro-Choice side-let me rephrase that: Pro-Choce FOR WOMEN side, of the debate. They cannot give a logical, rational, or heck, commonsensical argument, as to why Women should be able to determine when they’ll become a parent, but Men can’t.

    And we can say the same thing wrt Mandatory Paternity Testing, aka MPT. Indeed, in this very forum, there have been vociferous voices in opposition to this measure, and on I have to say, quite flimsy grounds.

    Yet another example: the IMBRA provision of the Violence Against Women Act of the mid-90s, pushed through the Senate by then DE Senator and current VP Joe Biden. The latter provision came to pass under former POTUS Geo. W. Bush. This effectively curtails any American Man’s right to Freedom of Association, Right to Privacy, and suggests that he’s a criminal by forcing him to undergo criminal background checks before he may enter into communications w/any foreign born Woman for purposes of cohabitation or marriage. Just think if we demanded that both sperm donors and potential mothers of same, had to undergo criminal background checks first. We’d never hear the end of it, for sure.

    As I said to PA earlier, under the Constitution, you cannot craft law or implement it in such a way that it only targets one group of people. It work applies to everyone, or no one. Original Roe is in fact, unconstitutional, because there is no corresponding Roe for Men. IMBRA, same, because we don’t oblige sperm donors or potential moms to go through criminal checks before using said services. And we can say the ame of MPT, since the only target of Paternity Fraud, is the Duped Dad.

    And for my Coup de Grace, when I’m debating impassioned Feminists, I ask them this simple question:

    What RIGHTS does a *married* Man have?

    The blank stares I get in return, says it all.

    O

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  222. @ aliasclio

    Your mention of the historical facts around men, their children and how society handled wayward women was a great example of the historical alpha led society.

    Folks here like to decry the bad attitudes and bad behavior and double standards of women (really American women) but then want to employ the same standard of selfishness for themselves and deem it their “choice.”

    Whatever one wants to call it, leaving a wake of wreckage in your wake and a bill for others to pay is not alpha. It’s just irresponsible.

    Moma ain’t around to clean up your mess. And neither is society.

    @ thee Obsidian

    Planned Parenthood is a profit making machine that wields a hatchet and vacuum to kill babies for money. And Margaret Sanger is the racist founder with Supreme Court Ruth Ginsberg among her racist “liberal” disciples.

    If you heard Ginsburg’s comment the other day about abortion, you know that Margaret Sanger’s ideas are alive and well. The media is absolutely silent about it.

    @ PA

    Love “Friday Night Lights” the movie and the show too. Billy Bob Thornton gave a great performance and showed a ton of his acting chops in this film. All the characters showed great unity because at the end of the day, it’s an American story. About how individuals strive together as they try to find their way in the world.

    Anyone who grew up competing in sports can appreciate the bonds, and the memories as life so rarely allows for same later.

    Notice, that in both the movie and the show, it’s the individual that is the focus. It’s not about racial monoliths or stereotypes. Some folks who show up here could learn something from that.

    Individual liberty permits everyone to pursue happiness, not a guarantee but to pursue it. Sadly, it’s the heart of this concept that is most in peril now. Hopefully, it’s not too late to stop the government takeover of every aspect of our lives, and deaths.

    They can taste that power and want it. Badly.

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  223. Firepower, please; hyperbole is not your strong suit.

    I’ve spoken at length about the thread topic, I know you and for that matter, Mandy’s seen it. I can and have discussed all manner of topics in this forum. What I will not do however, is remain silent when what I deem to be inaccurate and/or incomplete views are aired about “race”, which often really means, non-White and more to the point, Black folks.
    I will then exercise my right to respond.

    Now, as to your recent comments about the Tyra Banks Show and having on, I think it was Savoy?-to discuss Game, etc. I haven’t seen the show itself, but am aware of a number of daytime Women’s chat shows where members of the PUA community have gone on to discuss aspects of Game in one way or another. I saw Style’s appearance on The View, for example, and noticed all the focus the hosts gave to the Neg, which I thought was interesting, since several of the hosts were themselves comedians (Behar and Goldberg). You’d think if anyone got it they would.

    I learned very quickly that the community does indeed have its huckster aspects to it, and while I personally shy away from that myself, I don’t knock their right to exist. Again, let the Free Market reign.

    O

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  224. and here comes obsidian again with more nonsense
    sigh

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  225. Spastic,
    “More nonsense”? Pithy throw away line, but w/o meaning. Please explain?

    SmartyJones,
    No, I didn’t catch Ginsburg’s comments on abortion recently; what did she say? I do know that she was and is quite an advocate for it, though. It would be interesting to know her views on RFM.

    As for PP, yes, I know about its profit motive and the like. Again, I don’t want it shutdown, just off the gov’t’s teat. If its as vital and important as its supporters say, they should be able to easily garner support for it via the private sector-I can think of no bigger test of Abortion in the Public Mind.

    O

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  226. obs, my husband’s life was ruined at 19 by the VAWA==i am quite familiar with it

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  227. on July 18, 2009 at 11:53 am Anonymous #4,256

    Gosh, I wish I were a super awesome Alpha Male like Mystery, what with his eyeliner, earings, nail polish, clothes that Huggy Bear dropped off at the Salvation Army, deadbeat dad-ism, background in Dungeons and Dragons, and a look that gives me six different STDs every time I look at him. Or, perhaps, a super awesome Alpha Male like Steve McNair or Arturo Gatti, or maybe the uber Alpha Male guy who spent 14 years in the can refusing to pay up for a divorce. That would be awesome.

    I’m finding this Alpha Male business as defined here problematic. I’ll be Laverty Beria was quite the Alpha Male and the rest of the KGB too. Alpha Male, as I’m seeing it, is an outright bolshevist willing to bend over and collaborate with the Grand Coalition against het white males, among other things, that’s a problem too. They tend to be unathletic – WTF?

    In my perfunctory perusal of Game and its more notable players and advocates I’m seeing an unusually high number of Canadians – that’s a red flag.

    Deep as a puddle of mud, the average Gamer would appear to be more in tune with chick culture (bad TV, bad movies, bad values) than the good stuff like politics, economics, and whatnot. I’m going to keep monitoring this site, I still can’t quite put my finger on the problem with what passes for Alpha Male here but I will.

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  228. Ok, I´ll try to be helpful.

    Don´t put question marks after a “please”, its not a question.

    And, you know, could you make your points shorter? You are soooo verbose dude.

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  229. Spandrell,
    Thanks for the unsolicited lesson in grammar. When next I want such assistance, I’ll know exactly where to go to get it.

    You said my comments were “nonsense”, not that they were verbose-two different meanings, yes? I am kindly asking you to explain what you mean, since you kinda did a driveby thing above.

    So, you were saying?

    O

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  230. To those having trouble in the Southern Cali metroplexes in regards to dating, let me give a piece of advice that will radically up your success rates. Accept that it is tougher because the environment is more heterogeneous and competition is stiff. Simply put, the women have more options coupled with the poor attitudinal preferences we have so often talked about.

    Please, please, choose your targets better. Qualify, qualify, qualify. Look and get those IOI’s upfront. Admittedly this means you will ignore a few more fish in the ocean, but it also means that your success rate in terms of lays will rise.

    Back east and northwest, I can do the whole swoop kill and lay. Here, using a modified Mystery approach, over 2-3 dates, I get consistently laid. (Nonwithstanding the AO success reported a while back, that’s just too hard on the pysche, so I don’t recommend it tho it works!)

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  231. Planned Parenthood is a relic of American Left’s eugenic/genocidal roots, and this eugenic strain has never disappeared from their modus operandi.

    This is why it’s important to understand that this country’s Left (Democrats, liberals, whatever you wanna call them) are NOT about rainbows and unicorns and peace and love. They are about power. The komodo dragon with a bunny mask. Today, this pretty mask looks like a big-eared, nice-guy son of a Kenyan drunk and a Kansan wierdo.

    Just like North Korean communism is not about Lenin and Marx and soviet-style red stars on military uniforms. Sure, those artifacts are useful for public consumption, but in final analysis they little more than tools of maintaing the ruling elite’s power over their brutalized people.

    Same with Western leftists. Vladimir made a convincing case of the Left, or Universalists as he (and Mencius Moldbug) calls them, being sincere but delusional.

    No, I don’t think they are sincere. There are too many systematic examples of hypocrisy and unprincipled exceptionalism in everything they do. If Leftists were sincere, they would be equally appalled by black on white hate crimes, for example, not just white on black. They woudl laud Palin as a feminist triumph.

    Yesteryear’s circumstances were such that compelled the Left to advocate for the white worker, often while denying blacks justice. After the 1960s, the Left recallibrated. Out with the “racist” white worker, in with the “oppressed” black man.

    And tomorrow? will the beaten and humiliated white worker come back in style while blacks are biochemically dwindled? (hey, technology is progress)

    No one knows. The thing we do know is that the Left, ever since the French Revolution, is about power, nothing more and nothing less.

    And what is the alternative to the left? It’s decency and survival. And in the American context, decency & survival looks like conservatism, sustained by Christianity and the European man’s apparently innate moderation of rule, balancing the often contradictory interests of black and whites, and sustained by a racial mix of pre-1965 America.

    OK, enough soapboxing. Time to hit the gym!

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  232. also happy to read-read blog
    always successful

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  233. PA,
    A good bit of your comments I find to be problematic.

    The Founders of this country learned that ANY group can and will, seek Power for its own ends, hence the Seperation of Powers idea. Ideally, a President from one party and a Congress mostly comprised of the other is an extension of this idea, and tends to bring about the best results, because both sides have to compromise in order to get things done, while at the same time putting checks and balances on each other.

    So, while I don’t disagree w/your analysis about the Left’s drive for power, they are by no means alone.

    For example, you seem to conveniently forget about the past eight years, years which I largely supported, by the way. Nevertheless, the GOP is in the dire straits its in today, precisely for the very same reasons you impugn the Democratic Left, because of their zealous overreaching for Power.

    I also find your characterization of Obama to be problematic, and would like to suggest that it is akin to the White Nationalist’s style of debate. It doesn’t advance one’s position, indeed it undermines it. It is not necessary, and should have no place in reasoned, fact-based debate.

    I do share your basic view, that the USA is best served by its unique blend of private enterprise, limited government and vibrant religious life unencumbered by the state. I also think there should be a shared cultural baseline, modelled largely on that of the Founders. These have proven themselves to work-not flawlessly, not w/o their share of problems-but they’ve worked, nevertheless.

    If the Left is to be successfully taken on, it will be because of right thinking people who can successfully articulate the issues and convincingly make the case not to the converted, but to those sitting on the fence, and indeed, those deep inside “enemy territory”. That is what good political discourse is all about, right?

    O

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  234. @ thee Obsidian

    In a New York Times Mag interview:
    Q: “Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid abortions for poor women?”

    Justice Ginsburg: “Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.”

    Could have come right out of Margaret Sanger’s mouth.

    @ PA

    You are absolutely correct about Planned Parenthood and the interview with Ruth Ginsberg is most striking in its continuation of this ideology. But of course she came out of the ACLU, a greater concentration of traitors to America that exists among no other organization.

    Regarding the Left and its absolute love of power and to wield it ruthlessly is dead on. Currently reading “United in Hate – The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror” by Jamie Glazov.

    The book highlights much of what you say in your posts, including many famous people over the years that have embraced leftists leaders even though the savagery of their populations became well known to them and the public at large.

    He links it to the current alliance emerging among leftists and tyrants like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. What’s most interesting is how they also side with Islamic totalitarian enemies of America and Western civilization such as Hamas or Hezzbollah. These radical groups, are linked in philosophy and historically to Bin Ladin’s Islamic Brotherhood roots (Al Zawahiri being a card carrying member in Egypt) and Iran’s mullahs. Both call for not peace but the extermination of Jews and Israel proper.

    Has this caused a rebuke among leftist in Europe or the US? No, they actually are advancing their cause providing funding and never insisting that the funding be attached to peaceful proclamation of co-existence with Jews (or Western civilization).

    However, I disagree with your conclusion. It’s the defense of the Judeo-Christian ethic in a Republic that is the balm, not any population mix along the lines of historical numbers pre-1965 America.

    If your conclusion was true, a high birth rate by Britney Spears types would save America and it most assuredly would not.

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  235. on July 18, 2009 at 12:45 pm lisahottietotrot

    If you’re shallow, obese, or merely looking for a quick fuck, I am N-O-T for you. Looking for friends whose company
    can be enjoyed in any setting, including, but not limited to, the bedroom.
    Email me [email protected]

    xoxo
    Lisa

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  236. on July 18, 2009 at 12:51 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Anonymous:

    L.P. Beria wasn’t an alpha; depending upon who you trust, he basically was an inspiration to the Hussein boys in Iraq. How much of that might be Khrushchev’s rumor-mongering is unknown, but I’ve heard it said somewhere before. Wikipedia’s article on the little monster seems to corroborate at least some of that.

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  237. Looking for friends whose company
    can be enjoyed in any setting

    paging DA…

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  238. 4256

    You will find that your eyes adjust to the peculiar light in here quicker if you keep reminding yourself that this is mainly about the nature of womens sexuality.
    As in, what type of guy and what situation makes their pussies wet? Full stop. Forget what women say, forget what your elders told you. Game is focused in the phenomenon of the gina-tingle.
    There is enough random short term hooking up these days that, for the first time, guys have access to an abundance of honest data regarding that which is pussy moisterizing.
    Go ahead and ignore this data if you want. Believe what women tell you if you want. Nature will pick the winners in the end.

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  239. anon:
    I’m going to keep monitoring this site, I still can’t quite put my finger on the problem with what passes for Alpha Male here but I will.

    it’s simple: the alpha male is the guy who gets the most attention from the hottest chicks. see here:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/

    my definition is elegant and true. that’s why it slices and dices through all the confusion and bullshit.

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  240. SmartyJones,
    Yes, I’m familiar w/her quote now, I ran accross a part of it whil reading OneSTDV’s blog the other day. He was attempting to make the case that Liberals, of which Ginsburg is one, actually do “believe” in/advocate for HBD, and used her quote as an example of this. It’s not that far of a stretch of what Sailer himself says about Liberals: that they think IQ is important because through it they are able to wield superiority over their supposedly lesser brethren on the Right, indeed, their own literal brethren in their families.

    At any rate, getting back to Ginsburg, in no way would I support using public monies to finance abortions for anyone; if the act that brought about the need for an abortion was private in the first case, why can’t the means to get the abortion?

    O

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  241. El Guapo,

    Qualifying’s a bitch if you can’t get attraction. Other than that, brilliant advice. Basically, men here don’t want to admit they have to niche-market themselves, because of the stunning variety of cuties, we want one of each, “Why can’t THEY be the same?”

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  242. on July 18, 2009 at 1:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””El Guapo,
    Back east and northwest, I can do the whole swoop kill and lay. Here, using a modified Mystery approach, over 2-3 dates, I get consistently laid. (Nonwithstanding the AO success reported a while back, that’s just too hard on the pysche, so I don’t recommend it tho it works!)””””””””

    So powerfull the effects will haunt him for life.

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  243. on July 18, 2009 at 1:35 pm Willard Libby

    roissy

    it’s simple: the alpha male is the guy who gets the most attention from the hottest chicks. see here:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/

    my definition is elegant and true. that’s why it slices and dices through all the confusion and bullshit.

    That’s one definition, here’s another:

    “Bill Clinton is not an alpha male. Alpha-male status is conferred by the other males in a group, not by the females,” explained Dr. Barash. “But Mr. Clinton became president through the support of females, not males.”

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  244. on July 18, 2009 at 1:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””lisahottietotrot
    If you’re shallow, obese, or merely looking for a quick fuck, I am N-O-T for you. Looking for friends whose company
    can be enjoyed in any setting, including, but not limited to, the bedroom.
    Email me [email protected]

    xoxo
    Lisa”””””””

    Oh shit its craiglist

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  245. willard that is the alternate and now archaic “leader of men” form of alpha, it really can’t coexist with a gyneocracy, which defaults to roissy’s definition of alpha

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  246. SmartyJones

    @ doug1: Your deluded argument bores me. Abort your dick and spare us the boredom. Thanks.

    Who here cares whether you claim to be bored or what you think? You’ve made no interesting or even cogent arguments, nor countered any arguments. All you’ve done is restate the American feminist “dead beat dads” position even with respect to slut “oops” pregnancies as a matter of absolute moral and “natural law” truth. How ridiculous and how content free.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah. How about this, you SHOULD either keep your dick in your pants or cut it the fuck off.

    There’s you logic staring right back at you. Loser.

    Yet she didn’t keep her legs closed. Still she has a “woman’s right to chose”, regardless. She can, after the mistake or “mistaken” desire in the moment to go for it, to abort the fetus. Or to give the child away for adoption.

    So too there obviously should be a man’s right to choose as well, after the fact and after he didn’t keep his dick in his pants just as she didn’t keep her legs closed. Men should have the right to abort parental responsibilities and rights. In fact it should be assumed unless he signs something to the contrary. That informs her she’s on her own and she can weight this in her wanting the kid decision: abort or give to adoption. This way they both have after the fact of failing to “keep it zipper/keep her legs closed rights to chose whether or not to be parents.

    Women are the ones who chose who to have sex with in our society. They are always many more men who are willing to and ones who are willing to sooner for almost any half way decent woman, and for a lot who aren’t. That’s the biological schema. That’s the evolutionary setup on desire for casual or soon after meeting sex. Women are the sexual gatekeepers and always have been, but are the sexual gatekeepers in this feminist age more than ever. With that comes responsibilities. Or clearly should. As well if they don’t want “oops” pregnancies all women should be on some kind of backup birth control other than the condom, if they have casual sex. But as I’ve said they can always abort parental responsiblitly. Hell they can even leave the baby at a hospital or firestation, no questions asked, and no payments extracted. How about some fairness for men too SmartyJones?

    At most make an unwilling biodad responsible for reimbursing any welfare she actually qualifies for and receives. Though I think none should be paid. Women should feel that pressure. The principal that women should have to earn their child support from a man by giving him sexual and other services in return is a good one. Oh I agree it’s much better if she’s in love with the man and wants to put out for him more than once or a few times in a mad fling. She should chose who she risks pregnancy with according. That’s right. High time to again place the primary onus on the woman, the sexual gatekeeper.

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  247. Obsidian

    At any rate, getting back to Ginsburg, in no way would I support using public monies to finance abortions for anyone; if the act that brought about the need for an abortion was private in the first case, why can’t the means to get the abortion?

    Completely disagree. There’s no more cost effective use of public money’s than to aid those that have trouble affording them by state payment for abortion. The likely or welfare payments in such a case are only the beginning. A life or much of a life of crime is also statistically highly more likely in children that wouldn’t have been born if the mother could easily have afforded an abortion, or gotten funding from the bio dad she can identify with some certainty as that.

    Now that the means are available, children should only be brought into this world that are really wanted at that time and can be afforded. Most people in our society will only have a few children, 1 to 3 typically. It’s far better for the woman to have her 1 to 3 when she’s with a man that wants to father them and she herself is ready for the motherhood role.

    A fetus is surely living but it’s not yet fully human. It has the potential to be but the so too do unfertilized eggs and sperm cells. Certainly the fetus isn’t in the first trimester or even most of the second. Many hospitals that do perform them will refuse to perform abortions after the fetus is arguably viable outside the womb (though only with the help of artificial wombs / incubators and only with considerable risk to the mental and other health of the child, if it survives). 22-23 weeks. (The second trimester ends at 26 weeks.) I’m ok with that.

    Categorical objections are almost always religious: Fundamentalist Protestantism, Catholicism or Islam.

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  248. There is NO way it can be just for the “choice” to be all women’s once a baby is conceived but not the responsibility.

    the only thing that will stop all this is allowing men to disown at conception, i guess called “roe for men” here, kind of inaptly.

    until the day men can either disown or be a part of the decision to abort or keep men are screwed, this however does point to it being extremely foolish of men to not take every precaution at hand, its not just he should have to–but its the way it is

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  249. Doug,
    My opposition to publicly funding abortions has no theological basis, but indeed a civic one-Original Roe was decided, in large part, on the idea that the state cannot compel a Woman to become a mother is she doesn’t want to. I then find it interesting that the same state be called to assist the same Woman to abort her baby. In the form of public funds.

    Keep in mind also, that public funds are drawn from both sides of the Abortion divide; why not allow private charities to do the work here? W/so many Women’s groups, you mean to tell me they can’t raise the monies needed to fund abortions for needy Women? There are many religious charities, for example, that cater to the needs of singlemoms. We know this for a fact. And they receive no funding from the state-its all privately financed. People believed in what these groups were doing and cut a check, simple as that.

    Again, I think doing it this way is a perfect test for just how important Abortion is to Women-are they willing to fund it-outta their own purses?

    O

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  250. Also Doug,
    According to Sailer, the “abortion cuts down crime” idea, found most popularly in Levitt’s Freakonomics, has been dinged quite a bit, if not outright discredited, by Sailer himself and a number of other egghead types. It seems that the single biggest factor driving down crime rates since the early 90s, was 1, more arrests, convictions and longer sentences, and 2, increased rates of homicide due to warring factions in the drugs trade.

    Personally, I am opposed to the state actively taking a role either way in promoting abortion or preventing it; I want the state to be as neutral on the matter as possible. If we must have Roe, then we must have Roe for Men, too; if the state cannot compel a Woman to be a mother, it must not underwrite her wishes not to be a mother either.

    O

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  251. on July 18, 2009 at 2:38 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I totally agree that public funding for abortion, while it may be troubling on principle, probably saves society a ton of money in the long run.

    If private groups funded them, that would be still better, of course.

    Most of the 45 million+ aborted babies in America over the last 38 years would have been liabilities to the taxpayer. They also would have moved the political center of the US to the left much faster than it has gone, as 70-90% of the aborted people would have voted Democrat (based on the demographics of the mother, and the counties that the abortions were done in).

    So yes, while it would be appealing in principle for women to fund their own abortions, if the government funds it, the problems that we complain about all day would have come sooner and faster than they have.

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  252. The problem with roe was the enumeration of a heretofore undiscovered “penumbra right to privacy” that applied SOLELY to abortion

    it was baseless judicial activism that federalized the exact kind of right the tenth amendment reserved to the states.

    people need to remember, roe didn’t “make abortion legal”–it made it unconstitutional for STATES to make laws against abortion.

    the solution to abortion is for the courts to repudiate the roe holding entirely and to turn it back to the states and for doctors to call it “D&C” again and for everyone to shut up about it. it wasn’t even made illegal for moral reasons for the most part but because during the progressive era it was so dangerous

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  253. on July 18, 2009 at 2:43 pm take that D

    @ Bhetti

    maybe i’m in denial or maybe this is the guy that always SEEMED to have 2 girls fighting at every club. i wouldnt put it pass him if it was bogus. if he does have a daughter, good for him. his genes are being passed on. hopefully he’ll have a son. can you just imagine what kind of natural game he’ll have?

    as far as being weakly labeled as game, this is SOLID soft underbelly/MILF game, hot MILFS around the world are imagining Mystery right now singing their cute little daughters to sleep so they can do the “no pants” dance.

    “Is he really inventing Sap Dad Pickup?”

    youre forgetting something here, Mystery is a celebrity now. need i say more?

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  254. Obsidian — Jeremiah Wright is facing the second lawsuit by a former (White) friend who alleges that Wright used marital counseling to seduce his (White) wife. Wright is like Strom Thurmond, hates the other race, except in the bedroom. Farrakhan allegedly has a stable of women.

    SoCal dating IS tough, because style/image and so on dominate. Skittles man would get no traction here, none at all, unless he had a tie to fame. You can be broke, but if you have some fame, an “option” on fame, or anything like that, you are golden.

    I don’t think that Bush/Republicans lost because of over-reaching, rather inevitable demographic politics, mostly far too many single women who are hard left in all outlooks. Single women deplore for example the Monroe Doctrine, so Obama rolling over for the invasion of Honduras by Nicarauga and Venezuela and Cuba is fine with them. Single women also hate patriotism, Americana, the military, a strong defense, killing terrorists, and the like. They love rationing, socialism, kings, princes, dukes, Presidents for life, and stuff like that. “Lives of Others” shows how that works, any attractive woman can manipulate the powerful men to get what she wants. As long as she’s attractive. Women always think they’ll be hot and desirable forever.

    Steyn has a new post up on the Corner today. Basically, Japan and Canada both are falling into old age, because women don’t want to have kids. Not much feminism in Japan, modern contraception makes having kids optional and women don’t want them, all the better to chase Alphas. Which means societies that control women have more manpower. Every single Western nation is falling apart under demographic implosion and women chasing Alphas as singletons, skewing hard left. The legacy of contraceptive technology.

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  255. whiskey–you’ve nailed it

    the truth is, there is NO way a conservative party can appeal to single women and remain conservative. every aspect of conservatism and libertarianism is anathema to them. given that, and i believe steve sailer harped on this a few years back–the ONLY way to get conservatives into power is to bring out more of the white male/white married women vote, not to keep making itself into a tepid “democrat lite but we hate abortion and fags!” party.

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  256. on July 18, 2009 at 2:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’dana
    There is NO way it can be just for the “choice” to be all women’s once a baby is conceived but not the responsibility.

    the only thing that will stop all this is allowing men to disown at conception, i guess called “roe for men” here, kind of inaptly.

    until the day men can either disown or be a part of the decision to abort or keep men are screwed, this however does point to it being extremely foolish of men to not take every precaution at hand, its not just he should have to–but its the way it is””””””””””

    I think men would be less likely to kill the child than the woman. Woman are actually the ruthless ones. he he he

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  257. gun

    among the Kung! bushman of south africa a woman goes off alone to give birth–sometimes she comes back with a baby, sometimes she doesn’t

    this is just the first time wholesale infanticide has been simultaneously openly practiced and called by some Orwellian other name

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  258. on July 18, 2009 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea pretty pathetic really once a baby was able to be labeled a liability instead of a joy.

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  259. Obsidian–

    According to Sailer, the “abortion cuts down crime” idea, found most popularly in Levitt’s Freakonomics, has been dinged quite a bit, if not outright discredited, by Sailer himself and a number of other egghead types.

    Which other ones Obsidian.

    I never found Sailer’s arguments on that particularly persuasive. As well as I recall he didn’t even argue that abortion didn’t cut down crime. He argued instead that Levett’s statistical methods were questionable.

    The real truth seems to be that essentially no research has been done in this taboo areas.

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  260. on July 18, 2009 at 3:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Someone told this dude to have the baby though.

    Just like someone told gates he had to get rid of some money.

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  261. doug,

    read it again

    http://www.isteve.com/freakonomics_fiasco.htm

    seems like a tight case to me

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  262. Obsidian–

    As for eggheads — they’re the principal reason the country is rich.

    Ordinary workers ain’t squat. The whole world has them.

    Someone always rises to the top to dominant and lead. Just how naturally dominant they are really doesn’t matter much except as one factor in the intramural competition to see who gets it. There too brains tend to matter as much as charisma. Both are the ticket.

    But it’s the eggheads in the trenches and in lower leadership roles, esp. in technology areas but all over in efficiency etc. that determine how rich most societies are, if they aren’t small and sitting on the world’s greatest black gold or close to it, or formerly, the world’s biggest gold or silver mines.

    A culture of relatively less corruption and moderated nepotism also helps huge. Here N.Europeans are clearly the world leaders, compared to Chinese as well as elsewhere in the Third World. (Japan may not be bad at this also.)

    Eggheads are the reason that Europe and it’s offshoot society in the New Worlds, and N.E. Asians and their off shoot societies are so rich or getting there fast.

    Thuggish alphas without much brains are good for nothing except gina tingle in some or many culturally unregulated and unconstrained females. It’s pure decadence and a great mistake to allow this without limit.

    One way of punishing females that go this way is to not give them any state mandated child support. Or welfare. And scorn all single mothers. Note – living unmarried in a committed LTR with a man who’s providing fathering and support is not really being a single mother. It’s not the same thing. It’s instead a way of effecting different applicable divorce laws.

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  263. PA:

    Vladimir made a convincing case of the Left, or Universalists as he (and Mencius Moldbug) calls them, being sincere but delusional.

    No, I don’t think they are sincere. There are too many systematic examples of hypocrisy and unprincipled exceptionalism in everything they do. If Leftists were sincere, they would be equally appalled by black on white hate crimes, for example, not just white on black. They woudl laud Palin as a feminist triumph.

    I think you’re greatly underestimating the level of cognitive dissonance that is normal for humans. Let me give a completely different example. I lived through the war in former Yugoslavia. During the war itself, I was just a teenager and swallowed pretty much everything I saw on the TV uncritically, like most other people around me. Yet, when I look back at how people reacted to the war events from a more detached perspective, it’s striking how much delusional hypocrisy and unprincipled exceptions nearly everyone displayed when it came to judging their own side versus the enemy. The other side’s war crimes were always seen as a systematic pattern of evil; those of one’s own side merely as rare and unfortunate individual excesses. The same statements and actions were condemned as scandalously criminal when coming from the enemy leadership, and ignored or even praised as prudent statesmanship when coming from one’s own leaders, etc., etc. — you get the idea.

    The important point is that among all these people, including even most of the political and military leaders, there was no conscious awareness of any Machiavellian hypocrisy. They all sincerely believed that all their double standards and unprincipled exceptions were just accurate and rational judgments of reality, countered only by the evil and/or delusional enemy propaganda. The delusions of the modern Western intellectual elites are less crude and backed by much more elaborate sophistry, but they are fundamentally the same. Their loyalty to the Universalist ideology and frenetic condemnations of anyone who contradicts it as evil or insane are analogous to the Balkan nationalist loyalties in this regard.

    During the war, typical Croatians were outraged by the massacres perpetrated by Serbian death squads, but they would vehemently deny the existence of any Croatian death squads, and when presented the evidence, they would produce endless rationalizations and denials — they’re just individual isolated cases, and anyway, what else could you expect from men driven insane by the sight of Serbian atrocities, etc., etc. Certainly, they would never allow any such evidence to alter their fundamental and absolute judgment of our side as purely righteous and theirs as absolutely evil. It was the same on the other side, of course. Yet, these were absolutely sincere delusions, no matter how much they contradicted reality. (I’m not saying that the level of delusion was the same on all sides; that’s a topic for some other discussion. But the principle was certainly the same.)

    It seems pretty clear to me how the modern elites use the same mechanisms of cognitive dissonance, for example, to explain minority on white crimes as unfortunate excesses of individuals driven to desperation by poverty and discrimination, while aggressively looking for any indications of hate crimes in reverse cases. It’s similar with their attitudes towards Western versus non-Western identity politics, their admiration of the minority underclass culture (from a safe distance, of course) versus their mouth-foaming hatred of lower class whites, their approval of savage libelous invectives against traditional Christianity versus their condemnation of any criticism of Islam as hate speech, and so on — all this under the banner of a sugary, yet creepy love-ranibow-and-unicorns Universalist ideology. The level of delusions and hypocrisy is indeed astounding, but I don’t see anything there except the same old human capacity for self-delusion that I saw in operation in a much cruder form during the ex-Yugoslav wars. I really don’t see anything that betrays conscious dishonesty in their attitudes.

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  264. on July 18, 2009 at 3:32 pm Willard Libby

    whiskey – Obsidian — Jeremiah Wright is facing the second lawsuit by a former (White) friend who alleges that Wright used marital counseling to seduce his (White) wife.

    The wife was Latino/Hispanic or something. But not black either.

    Wright is like Strom Thurmond, hates the other race, except in the bedroom.

    Strom Thurmond was in his early 20s and living with his parents when he had an affair with their black house keeper.

    He was a young teacher at the time and not political at all.

    Single women deplore for example the Monroe Doctrine, so Obama rolling over for the invasion of Honduras by Nicarauga and Venezuela and Cuba is fine with them.

    Most single women have never heard of the Monroe Doctrine and doesn’t apply to what’s going on in Central America now anyway.

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  265. on July 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit you where there then vlad. I seem to get along with both sides of the wars people. They are cool people. Glad we helped em quite killing the fuck out of each other.

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  266. “to me, being Pro White doesn’t automatically mean being anti-anyone else.”

    That’s correct, but it’s clear from WS’s comments that he has a vitriolic hatred of one group in particular.

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  267. @vlad- great post. Although I always thought Milosevic, and to a lesser extent Tudjman, were quite deliberate and cynical at the outset of all that in stirring up ethnic hatred to concentrate/extend their own power.

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  268. More than half of the post is rather low from you, Roissy.
    Really Low…

    Well, I’m shocked but then, I’ll have only to congratulate Mystery.

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  269. maurice:

    Although I always thought Milosevic, and to a lesser extent Tudjman, were quite deliberate and cynical at the outset of all that in stirring up ethnic hatred to concentrate/extend their own power.

    My own impression is that Milosevic was indeed cynical and Machiavellian, whereas Tudjman was fundamentally sincere in his convictions (which included a lot of delusions and cognitive dissonance, to be sure). This despite the fact that, on the whole, Milosevic’s reign ended in a complete strategic failure on nearly all fronts, whereas Tudjman played some brilliant moves that enabled him to get the upper hand in the conflict — most notably the way he ensured the U.S. support for the Croatian side. (It was the most brilliant case of manipulating the Western PC sentiments that I’ve ever seen in my life. In fact, it’s only in recent years that I understood the modern PC spirit well enough to realize why it was so unbelievably effective.)

    But in any case, Milosevic’s cynicism was quite exceptional. On both sides, including the highest political and military ranks, vast masses of people — including extremely intelligent, well-educated, and well-travelled intellectuals — were in the grip of severe, and yet sincere self-delusions that I described. (I was also, for that matter, though I have the excuse of having been just a naive teenager.) Having seen that, the delusions of the modern Western intellectual elites don’t seem unnatural to me at all.

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  270. the greatest caveat in Roissy´s posts is his disregard for social circle. Specially in places where incomes are unequal and economic opportunity is scarce, social circle plays a lot.

    girls have limited choices in finding “good” men, with good meaning ” high income potential” so they know that by screwing around they devalue themselves to the limited pool of attractive men

    this is why you should game ugly girls, for example. Ugly girls have friends, maybe beautiful. And gmany girls need to know someone whom you also know, there must be some mutual friends. At least to prove to her that you are socially acceptable.

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  271. “Being a white nationalist doesn’t preclude one from having cordial or even friendly relations with blacks and respecting worthy individuals of that race.”

    Yes PA, but it’s useless to tell that to other people. Usually, both stupid white Nationalists and stupid anti-whites (both white and non white) will not understand. Unfortunetly, the stupids are the gross majority.

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  272. @vladimir

    If you are willingt to fight for Croatia, you must consider Croatian war crimes as necessity and serbian war crimes as the ephitome of evil.

    to give a personal example. I have a great-grandfather who´s Lebanese, a maronite, so through him I got interested in the Lebanese civil war. If you google “Damour”, you will learn a thing or two about how the war started. The thing is, my blood boils whenever I hear/read about Damour or smaller event like it

    But when I hear about Sabra and Chatila, I feel nothing but ” they got exactly what they deserved” and , given the opportunity, I would gladly receive in my house, and would give some money, to any phalangist who took part in Sabra and Chatila who was being searched by the Interpol or that
    grotesque court in the Hague

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  273. “Welmer: A lot of girls who become social workers are the sort who are attracted to thugs and badboys and believe their love can reform them”

    True. Have known a cupple.
    They come in two types:
    1) The stupid but sweet cute girl
    2) The worst bitch you’ll ever know. Usually, disgusting girls who think they are the hottest.

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  274. @gig “this is why you should game ugly girls, for example. Ugly girls have friends, maybe beautiful”

    There’s a caution on gaming ugly girls to get to the beautiful friends – if the beautiful friends see you with the ugly girls she will think you don’t have high standards and will reject you. You would have to UP game big time in order to override that.

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  275. people here like to post questions they made to SWPL friends. this is mine:

    – SWPL: we should help poor people. they suffer a lot.
    – ME: a nice way to do that would be increasing the income tax. Imagine if we just raised the top marginal rate from 27.5% to, say, 40%, we could effectively give a car and a home to every single poor person on Brazil. Don´t you think we should set the marginal rate at 40% and increase the submarginal rates accordingly?
    – SWPL: 😦

    obviously this question should be reframed to sound the less bitter as possible, and it should never be framed to sound hostile to the specific SWPL in front of you.

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  276. @ aoefe

    I am not saying that you should date ugly girls. You should have their numbers and their profiles in social network sites so that you are into their social circles.

    In my new job, there is an ugly though very bright girl who´s still in college, and in a college widely known as full of beautiful girls. I have lunch with her somedays and have done what I described in the above paragraph. She just asked me yesterday if I liked to go to her college´s parties when I was in college.

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  277. @gig

    Ok that makes much more sense. 🙂

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  278. Vladimir — a convincing explanation of delusions of Western intellectuals. I’m curious if you have thoughts on the Left’s endgame.

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  279. as California sinks to Latin American standards, social circle game will become game itself.

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  280. Milosevic’s cynicism was quite exceptional. On both sides, including the highest political and military ranks, vast masses of people — including extremely intelligent, well-educated, and well-travelled intellectuals

    well-educated, well traveled intellectuals are probably the most delusional people in the world. Notice that “travel” is not the same ” travel” that Marco Polo did.

    all airports, all taxis and all hotels in the World look alike. And all “international conferences” that intellectuals love so much also look alike specially because the same people go to all of them

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  281. There’s a caution on gaming ugly girls to get to the beautiful friends – if the beautiful friends see you with the ugly girls she will think you don’t have high standards and will reject you.

    Heh, one time I was gaming a superhottie indirectly by being very charming and attentive to her ugly and bitchy friend in front of her. Silly me, I thought I was doing a win-win-win:

    The ugg gets a hot guy to be nice to her, the hot girl gets to have me in the end, and I get to feel good about my own humanitarian works while scoring a hottie.

    Didn’t work out that way 😦

    The ugg was geting bitchier and bitchier to me. My sister, who was also there, later said that she (the ugg) knew she was being a steppingstone and resented it.

    I did kiss the hottie at a party a few weeks later, so it was not all a loss.

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  282. my personal take on the Left.

    most leftists are plain lazy. They want high incomes but they deeply dislike effort, risk and hard work. So must of what the left says should be understood as rationalizations of why somebody else´s money should be diverted to activities that employ leftists

    there is also the aristocratic left. Rich people who are afraid that their descendants will return to the middle classes some generations ahead. So they support socialism/social democracy as a way to crush the middle classes and limit social mobility, perpetuating the current elite

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  283. WS As I just said to Welmer, I agree with you that White women need to be brought back under control

    How do you expect to do this? With physical violence, because it’s the only way you will get women of any race to give up their rights. FYI don’t doubt the ability of groups of women to beat the hell out of one or two men. In groups, women can be very dangerous.

    ever notice how many Jewish lawyers and Jewish judges there are nowadays all over the USA? Is that a mere coincidence, or is it something more?

    As someone who reads HBD literature, you would know this is a result of the high iq that Jewish people have.
    So what are you going to do about the high iq jews? Get rid of them and watch your society fall apart.

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  284. The ugg was geting bitchier and bitchier to me. My sister, who was also there, later said that she (the ugg) knew she was being a steppingstone and resented it.

    great point. my way to solve it: there will be a party from her college in September. I won´t go with her and I will only ask her to buy the tickets for me and a friend. We go separately. We meet inside and she introduces me to her friends. By that time it is 100 % certain taht they all have done checks in my social network site profile, which I carefully crafted to be as alpha as possible.

    then social circle game ends and pure game starts.

    I also mimit my lunches with her to one per week. anything else would enter danger zone.

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  285. mimit==limit

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  286. JerrDogg
    O said:
    >Just doing these things alone netted Arpie sex he
    >hadn’t had in some two
    I missed this in the 10,000 weekly comments… where is the field report? I gotta read it out of morbid curiosity.

    Brother jerdogg, this is the short version of how it went down.

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  287. So what are you going to do about the high iq jews? Get rid of them and watch your society fall apart.

    I’m not into “kicking the Jews out” but that’s a silly comment. Jews are not the only smart people around. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever met a Jewish person who intimidated me intellectually, while I’ve met a few gentile ones who did.

    Believe ot or not, there are even extremely smart black people here and there.

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  288. @chic

    That clip is funny but really quite gross – and you called Dana out on her comments to LR!! 😉

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  289. “ME: a nice way to do that would be increasing the income tax. Imagine if we just raised the top marginal rate from 27.5% to, say, 40%, we could effectively give a car and a home to every single poor person on Brazil. Don´t you think we should set the marginal rate at 40% and increase the submarginal rates accordingly?”

    There are SWPL in Brazil? Don’t kid me!

    In any huh… normal fricking country, Gig, a Stuff White People Like type of people would be in favour of such a rais in taxes. Actually, the people who fed me have a tax over their income of 47% or so.

    And the SWPL people here want to increase the taxes, still.
    One of us is miles a way from reality, really.

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  290. Spain sent 150 thousand immigrants to her entire empire from the fall of Tenochtitlan until Bolivar and San Martin. Portugal sent 300 thousand to Brazil in the eighteenth century alone.

    without any race mixing, the country would 65% white by southern European standards, so there are much more whites here than the rest of Latin America except Argentina/Uruguay

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  291. It’s pretty offensive to the 220 million whites in America or so to read Chick Noir say that their society will fell apart without the high IQ of the Jews.

    Especially in the situation America is today. Get real, you too!

    I come here to learn things about game and have to swallow this frogs. Damn!

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  292. By the way, I came back from the gym about an hour ago. Some obligatory boring cardio, and then low-weight / hi-reps chest workout with dumbbells. Damn I feel good!

    Other than studing Game, every guy need to lift weights. Even if it means buying some cheap dumbbells on Craigslist and looking up a sensible beginner’s workout online.

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  293. “FYI don’t doubt the ability of groups of women to beat the hell out of one or two men. In groups, women can be very dangerous.”

    That’s never been in doubt. What is in doubt is women’s willingness to actually engage in larger scale group combat. Between, skank-ho-at-war and barefoot-and-pregnant-at-home women would pick the latter, by and large. Currently, women are demanding that men protect their rights to be ho-bags. Women are not about to do it themselves. What else are the “Take Back The Night”rallies if not demands that big strong men protect weak, helpless strong-independent-women.

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  294. Gig, I’m not saying that there are no white people in Brazil. Of course there are. Many people indeed.

    The thing is, what you said about SWPL types stuck me as… lacking any sense.

    A 40% tax over income is what the SWPL already have in most European countries and they are still pushing for more taxes.
    SWPL are people who love to tax others.

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  295. the current threshold for the marginal tax rate is quite low. so barring an increase in that threshold, the lazy-leftist crowd would be hit by any income tax increase

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  296. socialism kind of works in homogeneous countries. European countries were homogeneous and voted massive tax rates. Once a country becomes diverse and vibrant, the genetic connection between people paying taxes and people receiving benefits disappear. this creates hostility to taxes.

    as Europe becomes more vibrant and diverse, taxes on whites will fund benefits to non-whites. For a Portuguese leftist, it is easy to vote for a 50% tax rate since he believes he will get a nice job doing nothing and receiving money generated by other portuguese whites

    onjce Portugal becomes more diverse, the NGO/education crowd won´t be certain that taxes on rich white Portuguese will be directed to them. Those taxes may well end up funding social programs for the vibrant though disfunctional non-white minority

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  297. @ virgin

    google “fernando gabeira”. he has even a wiki page in english.

    I personally consider the neighbourhoods (leblon, Ipanema, Jd Botânico and Gávea) around the Rodrigo de Freitas lagoon in Rio de Janeiro the best places on Earth to live. I have lived in Europe and the US and I still say that there is no comparison.

    anyway, in the last mayoral elections in Rio de Janeiro that Gabeira aberration won 49.9% of votes. And he got 85% of votes in those neighbourhoods.

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  298. I don’t think that Bush/Republicans lost because of over-reaching, rather inevitable demographic politics, mostly far too many single women who are hard left in all outlooks.

    I have to disagree with this one. The Republicans lost because they mismanaged the economy and the budget for 8 years. As Thomas Sowell has said, they got to Washington and started acting like Democrats.

    They pulled demand forward to stimulate the economy by encouraging Americans to take on more debt when Americans were already carrying too much. They expanded the liberal cause of “affordable housing for all Americans” with even easier mortgages and zero down payments. The Republicans ran huge budget deficits every year and expanded the Federal government when they were supposed to be balancing the budget and shrinking the government. Rather than work towards privatization of schools, or at least towards getting the Feds out of something that should be a state matter, they expanded Federal powers and interference.

    Oh yes, they did absolutely nothing about the environmental and tax regulations which cripple us globally when it comes to attracting and retaining business. Nothing about run away tort in this country which puts every business at risk. And people wonder why we’ve lost so many good jobs to China.

    On top of all of this, they did absolutely nothing about our energy infrastructure. The cost and availability of energy is one of the most important factors in the economy. We couldn’t even get one measly little oil field opened in Alaska (ANWR), much less tap into the Green River Shale formation in Colorado which has more oil than the entire middle east.

    To top it all off, they started a war in Iraq without a plan to quickly finish and exit it. This gave liberals a rallying point. Future presidents must, absolutely must remember that spoiled America has no tolerance for long wars. Vietnam forever ended that. If we have a choice, we have to fight wars with a get in/blow to pieces/get out mentality. If Iraq could not be won and rebuilt quickly, then Bush should have resorted to limited bombing designed to bring Saddam around on weapons inspections.

    The fact that McCain was doing so well up until the stock market crash is amazing given how poorly the Republicans did for the 6 years they had everything, Congress and the White House. It’s proof that all of America is not in love with Obama and did not like him as a choice, contrary to the liberal media’s portrayal. And that he will rapidly lose support as America continues to slip thanks to far left policies.

    If the Republicans had acted like Republicans they would still be in power.

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  299. on July 18, 2009 at 5:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””PA
    By the way, I came back from the gym about an hour ago. Some obligatory boring cardio, and then low-weight / hi-reps chest workout with dumbbells. Damn I feel good!”””””””””’

    How long have you been doing it now.

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  300. on July 18, 2009 at 5:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””What else are the “Take Back The Night”rallies if not demands that big strong men protect weak, helpless strong-independent-women.”””””’

    lol

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  301. Quick note: I do not disagree that single women tend to love all things liberal. But the side that rallies the troops, and attracts the middle of the road men and their wives, wins the election. The Republicans did so poorly while they were in power that they couldn’t get their people out to vote, much less attract the all important “undecided” and “independent” voters. The Republicans who were active in the last election were active because they couldn’t stand Obama, not because they loved their own party or McCain. That is not a winning strategy.

    The Republican leadership blew it, and now we are going to suffer terrible consequences as a result. Obama’s Cap & Trade bill and health care bill are enough to destroy, absolutely destroy, what’s left of our economy. Carter will look good by the time this idiot is done.

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  302. I do not disagree that single women tend to love all things liberal.

    Single young upscale women have this wierd thing where they are very status-concious (they only date and fuck the correct alpha-fratty-type guys) and safety-concious (they don’t tide the Metro green line) — but — they also have this religious taboo of never saying or thinking anything politically incorrect.

    I know tons of such girls, mainly from work.

    How long have you been doing it now.

    Not quite two years. I spent the first year laying the groundwork. Strenghtening the bones and tendons, not just the muscles. This was mostly working out on machines, on which I can now to heavier weights, and then I worked in dumbell workouts, for balance muslces.

    I like doing low-weight / hi-reps with dumbbells, and high-weight / low reps with machines.

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  303. Women losing their rights? Don’t be silly. Here is how it works: The world starts getting more dangerous and difficult for women with small children. The matriarchy demands that they be protected behind a man-guarded wall.
    “Separate spheres” for men and women becomes the newest, hottest, trendiest idea around. Part of the package involves keeping younger, unemcumbered hotties out of the sphere of men because the men must be kept focused on protecting/ supporting the older, fatter, less interesting stay at home moms inside the enclosure.
    That is precisely what happened in 18th century Britain as the Industrial Revolution began to brutalize society.

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  304. on July 18, 2009 at 5:55 pm totalesturns

    @gig

    No significant objection to your first point, but this one is silly:

    there is also the aristocratic left. Rich people who are afraid that their descendants will return to the middle classes some generations ahead. So they support socialism/social democracy as a way to crush the middle classes and limit social mobility, perpetuating the current elite

    As Vladimir explained above, this sort of analysis is way too Machiavellian. A more likely explanation is that aristocratic left behavior is a deranged form of noblesse oblige.

    The comfortably wealthy do charitable work to feel good about themselves and to justify their wealth to others. (Gaining status through conspicuous altruism is part of our genetic makeup.)

    150 years ago, a rich kid who wanted to give something back would scratch this itch by founding a hospital, endowing a symphony orchestra, or building a public park. Presumably most charitable giving still involves projects like this, but nowadays funds can also be directed to the less concrete but higher-status project of “social change.”

    Not to mention the fact that a charitable trust past a certain size needs to be administered by full-time bureaucrats. There aren’t enough days in the year for Henry Ford’s great-grandson to personally read and approve, let alone oversee, every one of the thousands of grants that the Ford Foundation gives out every year. The full-time nonprofit bureaucrats, like most nonprofit bureaucrats, have ideas of their own, and they make the day-to-day decisions. (The Gates Foundation is different because Bill and Melinda are still alive, but it’ll be the same way in 50 years.)

    As far as “harder” leftism goes, never underestimate the sex appeal of revolutionary rhetoric to young men and women who don’t understand real hardship. V.S. Naipaul described them better than anyone else in an essay about the Trinidadian Black Power leader Michael X:

    He failed to understand that section of the middle class that knows only that it is secure, has no views, only reflexes and scattered irritations, and sometimes indulges in play: the people who keep up with “revolution” as with the theatre, the revolutionaries who visit centers of revolution, but with return air tickets, the people for whom Malik’s kind of Black Power was an exotic but safe brothel.

    Sometimes, however, their plans it doesn’t work out so easily.

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  305. PA—

    Vladimir — a convincing explanation of delusions of Western intellectuals. I’m curious if you have thoughts on the Left’s endgame.

    I don’t think the great majority of the current left in the West really has an endgame. It’s one of the “new left’s” (now definitely rather old but still in place without much leftward challenge) distinguishing characteristics as compared to the old or classic left, with its belief in class struggle, the worker’s party state, and in the end communism.

    Instead it thinks incrementally. Always pushing for more advancement of so called “victim” or “marginalized” groups, determined ethnically or by gender. Women are always considered per se “victims” of still imagined patriarchy, despite the male oppression of divorce and child support laws, sexual harassment laws esp. in the interpretation of many very cautious workplaces in hyper litigious America, and hair trigger and extreme guilty until proven innocent domestic violence laws.

    A lot of this is simply SWPL status jockeying, preening, and wanting to appear at least acceptable but often leading edge. A lot of this is very short term thinking or simply selfish positioning, while assuming the guise of altruistic disregard of personal advantage, one is so supposedly (and by taking these stances self proclaimedly) naturally gifted or socially privileged etc., so above any reason for concern. There’s a refusal to think about reasons for concern. A lot of it doesn’t consider the future much, or does so only in a very binders on, and simply refusing to think of many possible outcomes because to do so could be charged as being “racist” or “sexist”.

    To a PC left liberal, literally the greatest evil, or certainly the greatest evil in thought and belief, is to be considered by anyone either “racist” or “sexist”. That’s the core. Avoiding that is primary. That’s what polices PC. Eco whackiness radiates out from this core as a further devotion requiring more self sacrifice and flagellation. That’s what prevents much accurate thinking about the future. Quite literally.

    That’s e.g. why left liberals simply refuse to think about any downsides to winking at and refusing to take any effective action against the mass immigration of peasant and other lowest classes Hispanics from Mexico and elsewhere in Central America, even to the point where they could be the majority by 2025. They just refuse to talk or let anyone else talk about it publically, policed by vicious attack, because it’s “racist”. They want to always show THEY’RE NOT RACIST, but instead superiorly altruistic and progressive thinking. That’s why I say the PC leftism has serious religious overtones to it.

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  306. “Separate spheres” for men and women becomes the newest, hottest, trendiest idea around.

    I did notice the shift from late 1990s, when TV commercials for upscale things (minivans, etc) appealed to the independent woman in the drivers seat and lapdog hubbie obediently buckled in the passenger seat.

    Today, while far from gloryfing husbands, commercials for family cars/vans always show the man driving.

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  307. lisahottietotrot- there are a handful of good men here, I hope you meet one.

    Aoefe @chic
    That clip is funny but really quite gross – and you called Dana out on her comments to LR!!

    No, that clip was teenage comedy. Dana’s comment and LR’s reply were “out there”.

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  308. Rum Women losing their rights? Don’t be silly. Here is how it works: The world starts getting more dangerous and difficult for women with small children. The matriarchy demands that they be protected behind a man-guarded wall

    Make that a woman-guarded wall. Why bring the enemy in?

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  309. on July 18, 2009 at 6:01 pm totalesturns

    …that should be “their plans don’t work out so easily,” durr.

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  310. so chic

    “don’t generalize about women!”

    “no woman would do that!”

    classic female “logic”

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  311. on July 18, 2009 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’chic noir
    lisahottietotrot- there are a handful of good men here, I hope you meet one.””””””

    Yea but doesn’t she sound like a pump and dump?

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  312. on July 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol dana

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  313. “Make that a woman-guarded wall.”

    So a non-guarded wall then?

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  314. chic noir

    You don’t live on this planet, do you. Women never do what you describe. There is no example in recorded history of a group of women organizing themselves to fight effectively against a group of men. There are an infinity of examples of women sucking the cocks of men who would defend them. That might well be a fair trade, btw, depending on the fellatrix.

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  315. PA–

    The situation of most Jews on winking at mass illegal immigration, and always being on the most liberal side of any immigration debate is a bit different. They share the avoiding any claims of racism ethic. In fact they were core in the left in developing that ethic into an absolute axiom of PC that has ever expanded what can be considered “racist”. (Racism didn’t used to include cultural critique since culture is obviously mutable. It has for some time now most definitely included that however. Noting cultural differences in any negative way is now considered unarguably “racist” by the PC believers.)

    However there is much self interest here for Jews as well in ways there isn’t nearly as much for the rest of white SWPLers. Jews have long been most worried about lower class wasps, esp. in the south. They had historical reason to be, e.g. the 1924 KKK march on Washington and elsewhere around that time that demonstrated against Jews and further Jewish immigration as well as against blacks (and sometimes also Catholics, though a lot less widespread there).

    So many prominent Jews have long wanted as unrestricted immigration as they could get to diminish the majority status of WASPs as much as they could, to the point of making them another though large minority in a highly diverse country. Less possibility of ganging up on Jews, the theory went — and continues to go. Less possibility of in any way diminishing Jewish influence in the country through the media, academia, trial and other lawyers, etc. As well, open attitudes towards mass immigration are an important backstop for Israel should the nuclear or other shiite ever really hit the fan there. Or other places get uncomfortable or simply less desirable for Jews, such as Russia was esp. in the 80s and 90s. (Well maybe it was more that that’s when they could start getting out.)

    Yes there’s the cheap labor factor. That applies to all in the upper middle and upper classes though. As cheap but not too hostile household workers. As cheap low skilled workers for someone’s business, if they’re not ethnic favoritism inclined, as most Anglos and Jews (at least for low level positions) are not much, unlike many other groups.

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  316. All very good comments Doug. An interesting counter-trend to upper-middle-class SWPLness is the Portlant OR phenomenon, of whites stakeing out a claim on non-diverse sector of the country while still professing leftist beliefs, in some ways even more fanatically than opportunistic upper class SWPLs.

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  317. Rum
    chic noir

    You don’t live on this planet, do you. Women never do what you describe. There is no example in recorded history of a group of women organizing themselves to fight effectively against a group of men

    never been to the hood huh? anyway, there was an article in the paper a few months ago about a group of women from India who wear pink sari. they are vigilantes who formed as result of the BS they took from men including their husbands. I can recall reading about a group of rape victims in Kenya who set up their own community.Look up the articles and read it for yourself.

    @dana- please explain.

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  318. “There are an infinity of examples of women sucking the cocks of men who would defend them.”

    And not a few examples of dropping to the knees for those men who would kill them.

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  319. PA–

    I did notice the shift from late 1990s, when TV commercials for upscale things (minivans, etc) appealed to the independent woman in the drivers seat and lapdog hubbie obediently buckled in the passenger seat.

    Feminism was at it’s most virulent, or at any rate widely accepted among the left-liberals virulent in the 1990s. That’s when most of the worst feminist legislation was passed. That’s when the media was most in feminist campaign mode.

    There’s since been a sense among the large majority of younger (gen Y) girls, raised during that time, that feminism has won, and while the wins all need to be maintained, they should also be enjoyed in a more relaxed and self confidently entitled fashion.

    Specifically, instead of worrying about suppressing and combating male neanderthals as was the case in the 70s-90s, now they can be sexually enjoyed, so long as they’re politically contained.

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  320. Thanks Dana. It’s true, without a restoration of the nuclear family conservatism faces disaster.

    I believe (Doug or Obsidian, can’t remember which one) Sailer posited a more convincing explanation for the downturn in crime — the end of the crack wars with most participants dead or in jail, as demographic tides washed out most young men, the far fewer younger cohorts entering into stable territories.

    Chic — A few men not bashful about hitting women could easily clean up against 20 or more women. Women are far, far weaker in the upper body. They need men for protection, absent Sam Colt making them equal, so to speak.

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  321. on July 18, 2009 at 6:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    The hood you have to be joking now. Another black telling a white oh sure you don’t know cause you never been to the hood. In the hood the black chicks get beat.

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  322. “whiskey
    Thanks Dana. It’s true, without a restoration of the nuclear family conservatism faces disaster.”

    hey whiskey–true about the nuclear family, but i was thinking more along the lines of bringing eligible voters out to vote who currently don’t. if i remember right steve sailer worked out 1% more of the white vote would negate the whole minority vote

    in vdare…i think

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  323. A more graceful (and explicable) exit from an Alpha career:

    Allingham, who was the world’s oldest man when he died Saturday at 113, attributed his remarkable longevity to “cigarettes, whisky and wild, wild women.”

    http://news.aol.com/article/worlds-oldest-man-dies/577511?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fworlds-oldest-man-dies%2F577511

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  324. whiskey A few men not bashful about hitting women could easily clean up against 20 or more women.

    twenty women with sticks, bats, and other weapons against three average sized dudes, who do you think will win.

    funfact: you’ve mentioned that three women can take out the average sized man in the past. I lifted that comment directly from your words whiskey. I think you made the comment sometime in March.

    guns The hood you have to be joking now. Another black telling a white oh sure you don’t know cause you never been to the hood

    something similar happens in the trailer park on occasion guns.

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  325. PA

    The group of goyim most unlikely to exhibit significant antisemitism in the whole world are old-stock American Wasps. Replacing them with catholic latinos or Islamic Arab types in large numbers to reduce anti-semitism would be very, very, dumb.
    Ever watch the HBO series “Deadwood” ? It is largely a true story. It is 1877 Dakota territory, the population is mostly drunken, enthusiastic, young WASP guys and they repeatedly elect this Jewish guy from Austria to be the mayor. It really happened.
    Replace them with Mexican peasants and guys with names like Achmed and what would one get? Surely someone understands this.
    Scandinavia is bending over to take in massive hostile, undigestible foreign immigration. There are essentially no Jewish people in those countries to blame.
    I frankly do not understand this. The West seems to have lost its nerve completely, for some reason.

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  326. In the hood the black chicks get beat.

    My o m e g a friend Ace once visited a convenience store in the deepest hood. (don’t ask why; he had a good reason for it). Related this story to me:

    A very large and muscular black male gets into a very loud shouting match with a very large and fat black female. At one point, he cold-cocks her in the face. As in, full-strength, closed-fist blow to the face.

    She falls down. And then she gets back up, and continues screaming at him as though nothing happened.

    The Korean proprietor starts screaming at them form behind his security-glass: “Yoo geta fuckyou out of heer! get fuckyou out of heer! you sucka much cock moterfukker!”

    And the arguing pair leaves the store, still screaming at each other.

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  327. Rum

    the reason is europe and america learned the wrong lesson from WW2

    instead of learning hitler was bad and wrong for invading other coutries and rounding ppl up for extermination they learned “nationalism” and war were wrong

    they are literally killing themselves with guilt over the holocaust and i blame my own people, the jews

    the unintended consequences of harping on the horrors of the holocaust all of the time to denizens of “guilt” cultures like white anglos and euros was basically to make themselves wish to self exterminate.

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  328. on July 18, 2009 at 6:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    Goodwin said Allingham’s funeral will take place in Brighton. He is survived by five grandchildren, 12 great-grandchildren, 14 great-great grandchildren and one great-great-great grandchild.

    Wow did the demographics reverse on his line. 1 to cary one line.

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  329. whiskey–

    Chic — A few men not bashful about hitting women could easily clean up against 20 or more women. Women are far, far weaker in the upper body. They need men for protection, absent Sam Colt making them equal, so to speak.

    True.

    Equally important in a time of guns, they are far weaker in the head about using violence deliberately and with sang froid.

    No not every woman compared to every man. But these overlapping bell curves are widely separated.

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  330. on July 18, 2009 at 6:40 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Wow. Every post on this PUA blog always ends up being about race and politics.

    Anyway, if you men want more equality with regards divorce, your children, child support, etc, form a National Mens Movement and petition the government. There is power in numbers. DO SOMETHING besides just idling your time away on the internet.

    ……….””Coitus interuptus is as effective as condom sex. and by effective i mean not getting the bitch preggers, and by coitus interuptus i mean facials. Take a piss and wash your johnson after. “”………………………………………………..

    The quote is from Chris Rock

    Yeah, and he belongs to the group with the highest STDs rates in this country. Shame on him! In the name of humor ($$$) he is encouraging behaviour that is killing his own people. And to think that kids listen to his stuff.

    Where is the sense of civic responsibility???

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  331. on July 18, 2009 at 6:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Chic
    something similar happens in the trailer park on occasion guns.”””””

    Maybe but have you lived in a trailer park? All you see is made on tv. I have been to every sort of environment known to man. Also a trailer park. The chick kept her trailer immacualte and her daughter made a great housewfie because she too kept her house immaculate and took care of sexytime whenever. Only trailer parks I have seen have been well kept. The reason is because people pay there bills there. Section 8 can not be moved next door.

    You told rum he had never been to hood so he didn’t understand where woman organize and beat up men.

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  332. on July 18, 2009 at 6:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol pa that is what I am talking about.

    Ok so maybe chic meant that the woman gang up and attacked the mens fist with there faces

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  333. on July 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think chic dreams of one day killing all the men with her army of amazon woman. She must be stopped.

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  334. Chic Noir-

    I know you have a hard time seeing the real world from where you sit, but do you really should come to grips with the fact that you women have the freedom you have, because we men gave it to you.

    Period.

    The 19th Amendment got passed, not because armed groups of women were stalking the countryside, but because your ancestors (women) refused to do the dishes and swallow.

    You have what you have, because we gave it to you.

    And like any gift, it can, and will, be taken it away, if we wish.

    Only willing men can guarantee the freedom of women.

    Deal with it.

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  335. Surely the mother picked the idiotic name for the daughter.

    To name a girl after a region (a state in the Union in this case) is bad style. (In those countries where it is done frequently, people have no taste.) To name a child after a town or a city is the worst case of all. It suggests that the child was conceived by an unknown dude in that town. What’s wrong with a traditional English name in an Anglophone country or a Christian name?

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  336. “The 19th Amendment got passed, not because armed groups of women were stalking the countryside”

    I’ve always been amused when women talk about the “fight” for equality and the “battles” the sisterhood waged. Overly dramatic verbiage for screaming and foot stomping.

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  337. its like when women say they “worked hard” at their pink collar paperpushing job all day while men die in coal mines

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  338. on July 18, 2009 at 7:00 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Chic Noir-

    I know you have a hard time seeing the real world from where you sit, but do you really should come to grips with the fact that you women have the freedom you have, because we men gave it to you.

    Period.

    “The 19th Amendment got passed, not because armed groups of women were stalking the countryside, but because your ancestors (women) refused to do the dishes and swallow.

    You have what you have, because we gave it to you.

    And like any gift, it can, and will, be taken it away, if we wish.

    Only willing men can guarantee the freedom of women.

    Deal with it.”………………………………………………………..

    I guess you’d apply the same “logic” to black people?

    Planning to to take their rights away as well?

    Nothing ever happens solely because of just one person or one group of people. There are always a number of events leading up to and a number of circumstances contributing.

    Get over yourself.

    You don’t even have the power to pull yourself away from your computer screen when you should. Don’t flatter youself into thinking you’re going to give or withold “rights” or “freedom” from someone else.

    You are not god.

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  339. Gunslinger

    I have been to every sort of environment known to man. Also a trailer park. The chick kept her trailer immacualte and her daughter made a great housewfie because she too kept her house immaculate and took care of sexytime whenever.

    When I visited Poland in the mid-90s for the first time since leaving during Communism, I was over a friend’s house in one of those ugly Warsaw hi-rise commie blocks. The quintessential eastern europe: peeling paint, grafitti, cigarette-burnt buttons in the elevator, etc.

    But inside the apartments, including my friend’s, it was immaculate, nice, with nuclear families living like normal people.

    At one point, when we were drinking, my friend’s girlfriend said “you must think this block is a slum, like you have in America.”

    I said that it’s not architecture, but peoples’ behavior that makes the place a slum.

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  340. Chic Noir

    twenty women with sticks, bats, and other weapons against three average sized dudes, who do you think will win.

    3 v 20 is pretty long odds. Give both groups guns and I might bet on the men. Still overwhelming numbers though.

    3 v 10 I’m betting on the men.

    We have to assume each group is from the same region of their respective bell curves. I.e. each have average sized and average fight aware men and girls. Or each has trained fighters. OR each has trained elite fighters.

    I’d sure as hell say that before gen Y. I still think I would but it’s admittedly become closer, tragically. Male emasculation by male oppressive ideology. I don’t think gen Y men would win in the 3 x 20 scenario for example. Boomers probably would. Greatest gen more probably would have.

    In any random fight match up, the odds would favor, overall, what I’m saying must be assumed to be meaningful.

    If you don’t think men can take women militarily chic, how do you explain all of human history before women were given the right to equal democratic vote in liberal democracies, protected by exclusively male until recently, and still largely male overall and entirely male at the pointed end of combat, military forces. (I.e. females in support troop capacities only with a few uber feminist Congresswoman Pat Schoeder demanded exceptions.)

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  341. okay okay okay people. You can calm down, put away your antacids.
    I take back my earlier comment. I know the rules around here, women are to be seen not heard, unless they are in complete agreement with the men folk 🙂

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  342. @doug- see newest comment.

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  343. no chic

    its just that what you said was unsupportable and ludicrous on its face

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  344. Chic:

    I know the rules around here, women are to be seen not heard, unless they are in complete agreement with the men folk

    Exactamundo!

    Especially when they are young and cute. When they get older, most wisen up somewhat and then it’s OK when they talk more.

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  345. Aw man, I can win for losing around here. dana, I wrote you(&others) are right, cut me some slack 🙂

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  346. A. J. Travis

    A.J. Travis

    Chic Noir-

    I know you have a hard time seeing the real world from where you sit, but do you really should come to grips with the fact that you women have the freedom you have, because we men gave it to you.

    Period.

    The 19th Amendment got passed, not because armed groups of women were stalking the countryside, but because your ancestors (women) refused to do the dishes and swallow.

    You have what you have, because we gave it to you.

    Agreed.

    But more than that. We could have beaten up women who refused to do the dishes and refused to jail men that acted in such a way. That would have forced them to do it, pure and simple, no recourse.

    The reason nobody talks about how women act in captivity if subjected to any kind of torture is because of how quickly and easily and completely they virtually all fold. Yes and salaciously, to many a male imagination. Fast and efficient Stockholm syndrome on steriods is indeed possible, if men aren’t protecting women from this.

    In fact, this is why tribal and more modern female war booty and war slaves were so quickly and easily compliant, if the gloves were taken off.

    Of course the best course is to have it widely know what others did, and to be more always if possible or quickly if not, gentle oneself. Or let “bad men” do the dirty work (ordered by the victor soldier or officer) and then be the softer alternative.

    Women fold every time and quickly. With rare individual exceptions.

    The main reason this is such a taboo subject is because of how true and powerful it is.

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  347. doug We could have beaten up women who refused to do the dishes and refused to jail men that acted in such a way. That would have forced them to do it, pure and simple, no recourse.

    * shakes head*
    *opens mouth*
    * decides to walk away and leave it alone*

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  348. chic, please don;t read too much into my brusque tone, it’s how i write

    i was trying to make you see you aren’t “not allowed to comment because you are a girl and disagree”, but because you said something silly.

    if you want to disagree with men, be right and have your ducks in a row for supporting your argument

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  349. chic noir

    Serious fighting is a social activity that comes naturally to guys and is almost incomprehensible to girls.
    Why are there no girl-power militias in Africa? Surely there are issues worth fighting for. Surely there are rich Western women who could fund it. The fact that doing so has not even occurred to Western or African women says it all.
    Pink militias in India are getting away with their displays because they are enforcing rules against sexual abuse of women – something that has always been a male interest as well. Women are normally immune from being hit back and so they can shame bad behavior and survive.
    Remember Carrie Nation and her saloon wrecking hatchett? A guy who tried that would have been beaten to death with the nearest fence-post.
    These silly gestures just underline how priviledged women really are in most places.

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  350. Fear not little Chic.

    Some day your future husband and I will have a good laugh remembering your ‘rebellious years,’ as we watch you chase your children around the ball-crawl at Chuck-E-Cheese.

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  351. Rum Serious fighting is a social activity that comes naturally to guys and is almost incomprehensible to girls.

    Of course you’re right but women(individual)
    will fight when their saftey is in danger.

    dana if you want to disagree with men, be right
    I have no fight in me these days.

    @Aj Travis- no children(90% sure) for me.

    as we watch you chase your children around the ball-crawl
    that’s child abuse. children must be free.

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  352. Chic–

    * shakes head*
    *opens mouth*
    * decides to walk away and leave it alone*

    That’s because you HAVE no answer, here or anywhere else, that doesn’t ultimately appeal to men.

    Through men’s shared values and morality, etc. with your own. That’s what you depend on Chic. Without that the Sisterhood is lost, and as secondary in power and status and oppressed by men as we want you to be, or some of you to be.

    Women are simply sex slaves if most men want them to be. They don’t. They don’t want the mothers of their children to be or remain that, not really. (Despite exaggerated feminist rhetoric.) But often they’ve wanted some women to be. Captured enemy women for example, very often in history. Or debtor or otherwise poor daughters. Etc.

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  353. doug did you see the link i posted to you? i think you would find it interesting re: leftism as a religion

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  354. chic noir–

    that’s child abuse. children must be free.

    It’s child abuse to allow children to be completely free as well, at least as they start getting older.

    Children need to be encouraged most of all. They also need to be constrained and effectively punished at times.

    The tendency for the upper half in America today is to spoil their children too much. Spoiling is more about not punishing for bad behavior and giving in to readily to child demands more than it’s about level of affluence provided. A very rich kid who himself has many big boy or girl toys can be very not spoiled.

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  355. dana —

    doug did you see the link i posted to you? i think you would find it interesting re: leftism as a religion

    Haven’t looked at it yet. Plan to. Been multitasking.

    I have read a lot of things on the subject though. Unlikely it will say anything I haven’t heard, but you never know. It might, or put things in a interesting light. Molberg’s good for that.

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  356. doug1- That’s because you HAVE no answer, here or anywhere else, that doesn’t ultimately appeal to men

    not quite, your comment just read like a man who was getting a woody from the thought of knocking a woman around because she won’t wash your dishes. As a woman, I find that disturbing.

    Women are simply sex slaves if most men want them to be. suicide would be the better option.

    They don’t. They don’t want the mothers of their children to be or remain that, not really.
    I really hope so.

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  357. Chic- “@Aj Travis- no children(90% sure) for me.”

    Remind me to stop by, next time I’m in town.

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  358. doug- the child abuse comment was a joke.

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  359. Gig,

    Okay. There definetly are SWPL types in Brazil. (I am also surprised that you say that the good parts of Rio are the best place to live because the image I’ve bought is that there is a personal mine in every street there).

    However, that guy is not a typical SWPL. That guy is more of a Bill Ayers. He went on to fight with arms the dictatorship, etc. Or Lula who’s as Marxist as it can get.

    SWPL is more of your do-nothing, higher middle class people who act in that manner because it’s the social acceptable thing to do.

    And I’d say that Socialism never works out. Don’t bother tryng it. And you’re right, the more multicultural a country is the more an “elite”, usually whites, will be sacked and demonised.

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  360. a.j. travis Remind me to stop by, next time I’m in town.
    I don’t understand.

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  361. chic noir-

    Doug1: Women are simply sex slaves if most men want them to be.

    Chic: suicide would be the better option.

    So you say bravely now. So a very few women have acted.

    The vast majority do not.

    The vast majority comply.

    and you know what Chic?

    In a society and environment that condones the practice, they usually have gotten into the role, and sought to endear themselves to their owner, or lure a better one, with the hopes of obtaining freedom, but very, very often falling in love along the way.

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  362. @doug1- I see you want to give me fire and for you, I have water. I don’t care to argue with you but do carry on.

    Dana chic, please don;t read too much into my brusque tone, it’s how i write

    no problem. We won’t agree on most issues but I’m sure there are things I can learn from you.

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  363. mystery’s such a fucking fag….fuck him

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  364. on July 18, 2009 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but chic that is actually what you think.

    That is the problem with media.

    You saw some chic beating a guy in a movie and brought that shit into your real memory.

    In reality in the hood pimps beat up hos when they get out of line.

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  365. on July 18, 2009 at 8:09 pm SmartyJones

    @ doug1

    More boring drivel with ridiculous complaints. You sound just like a chick complaining about the realities of biology and why she can’t have it all when she’s staring down menopause.

    You can’t even see the utter ridiculousness of your writing about women keeping the legs together.

    You want to complain about women having double standards, take it up with them. I’m not a feminist and their poor logic is not my problem.

    Applying that weak perspective for men is lame. Or worse, it’s pathetic for a man to ignore the realities that come with pulling down the zipper or “opening the legs” as you put it for women.

    Obviously, the irony of the point completely is beyond you.

    If you can’t deal with the results of natural law, then follow your own advice and “keep your legs shut” like you say to women.

    It takes two to tango. You want to play, be prepared to pay. Don’t cry like a bitch to society how it’s so unfair you didn’t get another chance to opt out.

    It’s called dealing with reality.

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  366. @chic,

    >Brother jerdogg, this is the short version of how it went

    LOL. Some of the regs here keep me reading this blog.

    BTW where the hell did Nichole go off too?

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  367. @Chuck,

    > mystery’s such a fucking fag….fuck him

    yeah.. but after watching this i watched a couple of his things on youtube. That guy is articulate, fun, and really god damn smooth. There is no doubt that he is a master at what he does. I also watched parts of some reality show where his students were working it and I gotta said I would have fucking bombed out in those situations. It is humbling to watch. That’s the mark of a master – he can make his students shine too.

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  368. jerrdoff
    LOL. Some of the regs here keep me reading this blog.

    I’m happy I made you giggle. did you notice the clip was only 30 seconds long. I hope asparagus laughed too.

    Nicole made a couple of comments yesterday.

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  369. SmartyJones

    If you can’t deal with the results of natural law, then follow your own advice and “keep your legs shut” like you say to women.

    It takes two to tango. You want to play, be prepared to pay. Don’t cry like a bitch to society how it’s so unfair you didn’t get another chance to opt out.

    It’s called dealing with reality.

    It is not natural law that a man be required to pay for 20 years or so of child support=alimony for a slut’s one night or short daliance child. Never has been until the feminist present, specially until the feminist “dead beat dad” media campaign in support of their male oppressive divorce and child support reforms in the early 1990s. In fact at levels equal to around 1/3 or even more of his after tax (you know the spendable kind of) income if he’s a higher earner in a high tax state.

    At most he might be pressured into marrying her. But not a slut with rare (upper class) exceptions. Only a good girl, presumed virginal, whom he had seduced, and then usually only if she were a decent class match. So married, she be required to continue to sex him for her child support. Because until recently women did indeed have a duty to give sex to their husbands, as part of the quid pro quo. Now THAT is natural law, and seen from tribe to civilization.

    Further through history women had no Roe abortion alternative. Obviously men should have Roe rights as well. As I’ve outlined. As Obsidian has as well. And the great majority here agree.

    You want to complain about women having double standards, take it up with them. I’m not a feminist and their poor logic is not my problem.

    Applying that weak perspective for men is lame. Or worse, it’s pathetic for a man to ignore the realities that come with pulling down the zipper or “opening the legs” as you put it for women.

    How ridiculous. Your male oppressive concurrence with the feminist solution, based upon a totally and pathetically bogus claim of natural law, is what is lame. Beyond lame. Thoroughly mainstream media feminist ideology propagandized and pussy whipped, is what it is.

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  370. chic noir

    @doug1- I see you want to give me fire and for you, I have water. I don’t care to argue with you but do carry on.

    That’s dirty pool!!

    You do realize how disarming that is, right?

    Jesu Christo.

    I can’t carry on “against” you now.

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  371. Wasn’t me Chic. Most women have no idea of how to fight, have never been in a fight, and don’t have a frickin clue. A girl with a bat or a stick is just handing it to the guy — she can’t hold on to it while he can take it away from her. Also note that sheer numbers can hurt, only a few can take whacks at a guy at any one time. Both Alexander and Hannibal beat dangerous opponents with 3 to 20, or roughly 1 to 7 odds. More impressive in Hannibal’s cases because he did it three times, against deadly opponents themselves (Romans at the height of their bad-assery). Women have had no major roles in violence, ever in the history of mankind. At the most, oddball sideshows like a few female snipers and such in the USSR in WWII.

    Most women in the Western Occupied nations broke land speed records to be mistresses of the Germans if they were at all attractive, this includes British women in the Channel Islands.

    Dana, Steve is right. What will hurt Obamaites in the long run is the recession killing SWPL yuppiedom.

    And it’s wrong to assign guilt over the Holocaust as the reason for self-extermination. “He Kept Us Out of War” was the slogan for Woodrow Wilson’s 1916 re-election campaign, on the “Progressive” issues of eugenics (still a great topic of interest by SWPL), overt racism (just flipped with Obama), and generally Aristocratic “progressive’ rule by the enlightened against both Mountain West populists and Southern Rednecks (though Wilson himself was after Obama, the most racist President in existence). This stuff (Progressive hatred of most of the rest of the populace) predated America’s entry into WWI, for gosh sakes. It’s built in IMHO to the struggles of the elites against the people. With a bunch of gender issues (women would prefer a foreign dominant rule because then they can be princesses if they are pretty) thrown in on the side.

    Scandinavia is taking in lots of Muslim people because Scandinavian women like/lust for dominant, assertive, non-metrosexual Muslim men. Having beta-ized and gay-ified most of their men, they want dominant men.

    The 19th Amendment passed because men felt their wives and daughters should have equal rights, be protected legally, and have a voice in their own affairs. Men and women were closely connected then. Now — for most men women are a distant affair, either older women they have no connection to or hotter younger women who view them as sexless drones. So men don’t care, by and large, about women.

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  372. Scandinavia is taking in lots of Muslim people because Scandinavian women like/lust for dominant, assertive, non-metrosexual Muslim men.

    Do ruling class men in Scandinavia also like/lust for dominant, assertive, non-metrosexual Muslim men?

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  373. @whiskey- maybe someone was playing around with your handle. I miss biting beaver.

    doug1 That’s dirty pool!!
    You do realize how disarming that is, right

    🙂

    lol my great-grandfather has those days when he wants to fuss at/with someone, anyone for that matter. I gently disarm him by asking questions & giving him compliments in my sweetest, I’m just a girl voice and using the innocent audrey tautou(amelie) look.

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  374. on July 18, 2009 at 8:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    doug it is not after tax income 1/3 it is before tax

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  375. on July 18, 2009 at 8:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    article at feminist about teaching a 7 year old son about sex. Freaky shit.

    http://www.feministing.com/archives/016777.html

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  376. on July 18, 2009 at 8:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Doug you may want to have fun I didn’t mention the fact that the kid is 7 for christs sake.

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  377. *jerrdogg*
    sorry

    whiskey- between your obama hate and woman hate, you are going to drive yourself nuts. Please let go of the women you lost, better you lost them before the divorce, alimony, and child support. You’re from CA, so you could have lost half. There are three billion women in the world and I’m sure there is one for you who will make a good wife.

    P.S. there are plenty of women in this country who have had fewer than 10 partners by age 30. You can find one who will bond to you.

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  378. We interrupt this broadcast to bring you the heartfelt lyrics from a former yet possibly still active famous PUA.

    Baby Daddy loves you very much

    Shall I buy you roses to put beside your bed
    Diamond and tiaras to wear upon your head
    Do I say the nicest things the words I know I should
    Should I say the sweetest things
    and hope the words feel good?

    Chorus
    I tried to write this song 1000 times
    I tried to think of all these pretty words and rhymes
    What’s the best way to say I love you
    What’s the best way to show I care

    Shall I send you chocolate filled with love in care
    Rainbow colored ribbons to tie up in your hair
    Do I say the nicest things the words I know I should
    Should I say the sweetest things
    and hope the words feel good?

    Chorus

    Shall I talk of live and love and fill your days with poems
    Giving words of wisdom and helping you to cope
    Do I say the nicest things the words I know I should
    Should I say the sweetest things and hope the words feel good

    Chorus

    I think I’ll send the pumpkin and six white horses too
    for the Cinderella princess is the biggest part a you
    And all your dreams I hope come true especially today
    cuz I think I found the best way
    well I’m all yours today

    Chorus

    I love you Barcardi Breezer

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  379. on July 18, 2009 at 8:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is sick this woman needs to go to jail. She had to have taught them how to do this.

    ””””””July 18, 2009 7:48 PM[3+] safa said:
    What a great answer Prof. Foxy!! I would like to add the importance of parents accepting masturbation. My sons have been having their “alone” time since they were about four. They are now teenagers and pretty well-adjusted kids.

    I think that masturbation is the cornerstone of a person’s sexuality. ”””””””””

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  380. on July 18, 2009 at 8:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    GJ you imortalized it now

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  381. I’m going to try to dig up a mic and do a voice over track with my voice and mystery’s – i’ll pod cast when ready – he actually has a pretty decent voice. After listening to the song 1000 times (before) it’s not that bad. hehe

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  382. on July 18, 2009 at 9:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol Aoefe is going to bear his next love child

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  383. Chic Noir,

    Detox my Buttox. Preferably at 10 PM later tonight.

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  384. @gunny – “Aoefe is going to bear his next love child”

    I will name her: Cosmo Politin

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  385. Well, some good news at least. This could have a real impact.

    http://www.gtldna.com/

    So, men, don’t wonder. On day one do the cheek swab. There is no need to wait for a change in the law to enforce mandatory DNA testing. Do you think the Democrats would pass it or the courts would allow it? Just do it yourself.

    BTW, your baby’s doctor will NEVER tell you if your blood type doesn’t match. You know, for the baby’s good and all.

    So, look your lady in the eye and remind her the technology is freely available. I would do it before the baby is born. You have to challenge paternity fairly soon after birth, otherwise, you will be the father no matter who the father is. You know, to protect the baby. You know, the other man’s baby.

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  386. I’m sympathetic to paternity issues to say the least… but if you pick a good girl, ou’re not be a beta, and the kid looks like you, chances are he’s yours.

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  387. GayButtox
    Chic Noir,

    Detox my Buttox. Preferably at 10 PM later tonight.

    and we know why you need a detox riggghhhtttt buddy.
    the hard incrusted matter lodged from your rectum to your intestines is beyond my expertise. I think you need the help of a chemist who can devise something to loosen the matter. As well as a MD who can monitor your vital signs while the animal juices are being pumped out.

    aoefe, don’t look.

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  388. @chic

    Thanks for the warning – will not watch.

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  389. @aoefe- welcome. I figured it would be too much for you.

    Oh Gosh
    *looks around*

    looks like I sent everyone to the toilets.

    sorry guys, it got me the few times I looked at it too.

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  390. on July 18, 2009 at 9:34 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Good lord, that video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL.

    it takes all kinds.

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  391. on July 18, 2009 at 9:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Somestimes I bet it is good not to have access to youtube

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  392. PA:

    Vladimir — a convincing explanation of delusions of Western intellectuals. I’m curious if you have thoughts on the Left’s endgame.

    I’m sure none of them are ever thinking in terms of any “endgame.” To the extent that they reflect on themselves at all, they see themselves either at the forefront of gradual, but brilliant human progress or on the vigil against the dark forces of reaction that constantly threaten to strike and bring about the society from “The Handmaid’s Tale.” In their mind, they are just enlightened and reasonable people doing reasonable things to make the world a better place, and the only problem with the world are the evil remnants of the past ignorance and bigotry (which despite their unbroken record of past defeats somehow manage to remain equally active and threatening).

    An “endgame” will occur only if the situation deteriorates into major social instability. If that happens, it’s hard to even guess what could follow; the presumptuous progressivists certainly aren’t pondering the possibility. This may or may not happen in any foreseeable future. There’s a lot of ruin in a nation, and in any case it’s impossible to predict the future with any accuracy. The key issue is whether the closed feedback loops of activism and indoctrination formed by the government, the education system, and the mainstream media — what Mencius Moldbug calls “the Cathedral” — can somehow be broken or at least jammed. Concentrating the efforts on anything else while these loops are operating can at best slow things down slightly. But how? I wish I had the answer.

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  393. on July 18, 2009 at 9:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Endgame looks like all men in prison. Although they let that dude out after 14 years pretty quick when it broke news. I don’t think people where quite ready to hear that shit.

    Really we need the book to hand out with all the facts that can be mustered about real trials and outcomes. Real men in prison and such.

    Obviously looking at the legendary pua he still wanted kids.

    I want kids.

    Men usually end up wanting children just like woman. Just that they do have more time than woman to do it. With woman it is more of a viscious wall when the time comes they kind of have to do it right now.

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  394. joel–

    So, look your lady in the eye and remind her the technology is freely available. I would do it before the baby is born. You have to challenge paternity fairly soon after birth, otherwise, you will be the father no matter who the father is. You know, to protect the baby. You know, the other man’s baby.

    No self respecting regular male reader of this forum would even consider getting married or otherwise having children without a prenup, right? If there are any, I like to hear from you. because I want to argue with you. Merely being alpha or arguably alpha, or not a clear beta, or whatever, is not enough. It helps but it’s not enough. Girl selection helps but it’s not enough. This is a very corrosive feminist environment we live in. some or many of her future girlfriends are likely to be toxic on these issues. And so on.

    One of the things your prenup will say is that she give consent, which she agrees cannot be withdrawn except by mutual consent as a fundamental understanding of your marriage commitments, to paternity testing of all newborns before they leave the hospital after birth.

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  395. Gunny

    Men usually end up wanting children just like woman.

    Probably so.

    But a lot fewer men than women do. And they want them a lot less, on average. I.e. will trade off less to get them, push comes to shove.

    Our culture and laws are of course titled against men learning the true risk and cost to them of having kids before they do. Extremely covered up. Unlike almost all women’s issues.

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  396. doug1 If there are any, I like to hear from you. because I want to argue with you.

    *shakes head slowly*

    Uh huh

    see, I knew you were in the mood to ripe someone apart.

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  397. Chic–

    The purpose of a prenup is to rewrite domestic relations law to some extent as individually agreed between the marrying couple, and within the far too narrow limits, esp. w/respect to child support, that the current N.American law allows.

    It is completely hypocritical and incongruous to on the one hand agree that American divorce and child support law is unfair to men, and on the other to not rewrite your own actual mutually agreed marital commitments via a contract before marriage, commonly called a prenup.

    Don’t you agree?

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  398. Chic- “I don’t understand.”

    Really?

    Then send me an email.

    I’ll fill you in.

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  399. chic noir–

    Only chicken shit (about offending their fiances) or stupidly and blindly trusting men don’t get prenups, especially if they think they ever might make some real money. At least if they’ve read Roissy’s before marriage, and hence have been subjected to some deprogramming influences.

    If they only discovered Roissy’s after marriage, it’s different. Roissy’s or similar. But what’s similar? One can say Glenn Sachs but he’s more marginally known and as well, too old to influence most young first time marrying men.

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  400. @doug- I have nothing against prenups. the divorce rate is something like 45% so the smart person with something to lose would have one before walking down the aisle.

    @a.j.- why hide, just say it here.

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  401. For everyone eager to blame the Jews for the modern American ideological developments, which I see that many people who posted in this thread are, I’d recommend you to study the history of the old, pre-WW1 American progressivism. Naturally, the issues of the culture wars were very different back then, and many views of those ancient leftists would be shocking to their ideological descendants nowadays. Yet, you’ll see the same instantly recognizable leftist attitudes and tactics, only in a cruder and far less developed form, and it’s pretty clear how they could have naturally morphed into the present progressivist intellectual elites within three or four generations. And guess what — you probably won’t see a single Jewish name among these ideologues and activists of old. Contrary to Kevin MacDonald’s idée fixe, the intellectual and organizational roots of today’s Anglo-Saxon leftism can be far more accurately traced to Carrie Nation’s hatchet and Edward Bellamy’s “Looking Backward” than to Marx, Boas, the Frankfurt School, or any other foreign (or domestic Jewish) influence.

    For a good glimpse into the history of a crucial moment in the development of American progressivism, this article by Murray Rothbard is well worth reading:
    http://mises.org/story/2543

    If the stories of these characters don’t ring somehow eerily familiar, then you probably don’t have a good picture of the modern Left in the first place.

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  402. Vladamir–

    It seems pretty clear to me how the modern elites use the same mechanisms of cognitive dissonance, for example, to explain minority on white crimes as unfortunate excesses of individuals driven to desperation by poverty and discrimination, while aggressively looking for any indications of hate crimes in reverse cases. It’s similar with their attitudes towards Western versus non-Western identity politics, their admiration of the minority underclass culture (from a safe distance, of course) versus their mouth-foaming hatred of lower class whites, their approval of savage libelous invectives against traditional Christianity versus their condemnation of any criticism of Islam as hate speech, and so on — all this under the banner of a sugary, yet creepy love-ranibow-and-unicorns Universalist ideology. The level of delusions and hypocrisy is indeed astounding, but I don’t see anything there except the same old human capacity for self-delusion that I saw in operation in a much cruder form during the ex-Yugoslav wars. I really don’t see anything that betrays conscious dishonesty in their attitudes

    Excellent comment. Excellent two comments in fact.

    You have addressed the principal thing I think PA gets wrong in his comments here. [I addressed it too above.] That is that the left liberal (or SWPL) elites are doing widespread cynical plotting against the rest of us, or against white men esp. of middle and lower social classes.

    I agree with you that they don’t think of it that way, for the most part. They think they’re doing the work of angels, with some necessary sharp elbows at times, for the most part. They think of it as keeping the dark forces of the majority at bay, in order to favor, hasten, and where necessary help along and create, universal equality. I am a member of this group except for my politics and social beliefs, which has been a journey. I started out as a left liberal myself, though never a dogmatic one. I grew up among and as one of the SWPLs as well.

    One quibble. You’re using “cognitive dissonance” here either wrongly or in a very idiosyncratic fashion. It’s not more or less synonymous with “self delusion” though it sounds like it could be. Instead it’s a social psychology term that was first popularized by Festinger and one Philip Zimbardo, my intro social psych prof at Stanford (and a real dramatic showman, ladies man, and all around star). It refers not to the results of successful self delusion, but rather to the state of mental conflict which can precede that. It refers to having active mental anxiety over holding competing views of something, and the social psychology principal that beliefs will change to avoid that anxiety and dissonance.

    See Wikipedia on cognitive dissonance.

    I was going by my intro social psych class from one all star (and major girl goupie magnet) Philip Zimbardo at Stanford. He of the Stanford prison study fame and to some extent infamy.

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  403. Vladamir

    Make that three comments.

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  404. I did say it. Twice.

    I rescind the implication.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

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  405. doug1:

    No self respecting regular male reader of this forum would even consider getting married or otherwise having children without a prenup, right? If there are any, I like to hear from you. because I want to argue with you.

    I don’t have time to argue, but I might do so. There are still good girls around, if you know where to look, and in a situation where you get to know not just her, but also her family and wider social circle very well and no red flags are raised, you can relax a bit.

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  406. on July 18, 2009 at 10:28 pm Willard Libby

    doug1 – No self respecting regular male reader of this forum would even consider getting married or otherwise having children without a prenup, right? If there are any, I like to hear from you. because I want to argue with you.

    Plenty of girls with lots of money now a days.
    Marry a rich girl, no prenup and then dump her.

    Women have been doing it for years.

    Get the money and then get a new girl.

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  407. Vladimir-
    “There are still good girls around, if you know where to look, and in a situation where you get to know not just her, but also her family and wider social circle very well and no red flags are raised, you can relax a bit.”

    It is not the woman that the prenup protects you from, it is the legal system (which is stacked against the man in the event of a divorce.)

    No amount of family screening will reform the legal system.

    A prenup should be mandatory, like a blood test or a witness. Any other advice is reckless at best.

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  408. Vladamir–

    Re: prenups, I repeat, if you think the divorce and child support laws are unfair to men, then you should try to rewrite them on an individually applicable basis before marriage.

    This is true no matter how great your chosen girl is in your estimation, even if it proves to be true not only to start with, but forever more.

    All you’re doing is changing to some limited extent laws that you both hope will never apply.

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  409. Vladamir–

    Yet, you’ll see the same instantly recognizable leftist attitudes and tactics, only in a cruder and far less developed form, and it’s pretty clear how they could have naturally morphed into the present progressivist intellectual elites within three or four generations. And guess what — you probably won’t see a single Jewish name among these ideologues and activists of old. Contrary to Kevin MacDonald’s idée fixe, the intellectual and organizational roots of today’s Anglo-Saxon leftism can be far more accurately traced to Carrie Nation’s hatchet and Edward Bellamy’s “Looking Backward” than to Marx, Boas, the Frankfurt School, or any other foreign (or domestic Jewish) influence.

    I don’t agree. It’s far more accurately primarily derived from Marx, Boas and the Frankfort school, etc. But it’s true that it’s derived from both.

    The leading influence of Jews in the left esp. since the beginning of the 1930’s in this country is undeniable. Sure they weren’t big in the progressive era in national level leftist politics. They were fighting their own ethnic upward mobility battles fairly exclusively then except to some extent in NYC. E.g. the backing of Al Smith and the reform movement then. (Almost entirely an inarguably good thing btw.)

    I don’t remotely believe in demonizing Jews. Their contributions to this country have clearly been enormous and anyone who ignores that is being intellectually dishonest or extremely ignorant. My ex wife was Jewish, etc. (No kids.)

    I don’t believe they should be free from group critique either, as they certainly have group critiqued upper class wasps, lower class rednecks/wasps and also many Catholics, aka the “religious right” and others. The fear of being called anti-Semitic has been a vastly chilling cudgel for any in elite or semi elite or sometimes other jobs to be publically critical. Look what happened to Sobran for little at National Review in the early 1990s for example.

    I most certainly don’t support genuine anti Semitism any more than I support genuine white nationalism.

    @Dana, btw, realizing you’re Jewish, I’ve been meaning to say how great was what you said above re: some excessive and miss-aimed guilt mongering by American Jews about the Holocaust. It was important to create a strong “never again” ethic about it. Very important. But it’s gone way beyond that.

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  410. Alpha man Martin Amis on Iran:

    The end of Iran’s ayatollahs?>/i>
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/17/martin-amis-iran

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  411. The success of the turn of the 20th century “progressives” mark a low point in American history in terms of the respect paid to the bill of rights and civil liberties.
    Woodrow Wilson is a good example of this ilk. These were the sort of people who enacted the most anti-constitutional, anti-free speech laws ever during WW1. Prohibition was just another part of the same program.
    My take on this is that it mainly flowed from over-priviledged post-puritan New Englanders who had guilty consciences for some reason.
    My own forebearers during that period lived on the edge of Commanche territory and had little time for self-flagellation. And they liked to drink.

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  412. *aoefe pulls chic aside
    *whispers in her ear – “A.J. was hitting on you – it’s not designed to be with a mallet – ya gotta pick up what he’s layin down”
    *winks at chic
    *aoefe walks away and then clues in that chic understood that the whole time….and she chuckles.

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  413. on July 18, 2009 at 11:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Vladimir
    doug1:

    No self respecting regular male reader of this forum would even consider getting married or otherwise having children without a prenup, right? If there are any, I like to hear from you. because I want to argue with you.

    I don’t have time to argue, but I might do so. There are still good girls around, if you know where to look, and in a situation where you get to know not just her, but also her family and wider social circle very well and no red flags are raised, you can relax a bit.””””””””

    This could be true but it will take a lot of effort to deprogram her. You can start with the best that want to be a good woman. Yet you will still have to do some training on interpersonal ralations between man and woman. Will take work but over time for a woman who wants to learn can probably overcome the brainwashing. Of course got to do guns prenump he he he

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  414. I like the idea of mandated pre-nups protecting both parties. It’s the only way to sell it to legislators –equal for everyone. The DNA testing is going to be a huge barrier to overcome I think. Not opposed, but I can see the shit hit the fan.

    Divorce is part of the economy…so I can’t see too many people wanting to shut that money making machine down.

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  415. Rum–

    The Progressives did go too far in the ways you mention.

    Prohibition was principally an early feminist campaign. The campaigns for the women’s vote and for prohibition were tightly interwoven. It’s true that prohibition had wide support among more religious and especially more rural Protestants including many men, and mostly only among many women in other groups, but it had a very strong feminist component to it. If there wasn’t a strong and rising feminist women’s movement at the time Prohibition would probably never have passed.

    Nonetheless, most of what the progressives fought for and won was needed. Some sort of anti-trust law for example. Regulation of meat packers and other food producers. Regulation of price fixing and other practices among the then nationally critical and in some cases stranglehold enjoying railroads.

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  416. aoefe

    Hi darlin

    The DNA testing is going to be a huge barrier to overcome I think. Not opposed, but I can see the shit hit the fan.

    I truly find this hard to understand, except in the darkest kinds of ways about women’s motives. I.e. what Roissy would say on this subject.

    Maybe he’s right.

    What else could it be, really?

    The bit about “guilty until proven innocent” or “complete lack of trust” is so obviously smokescreen when applied to something automatic or if you like mandatory for everyone. If no one’s being singled out to be required to have it done, then how is it a particularly focuses lack of trust? If 10% of all births in the Anglosphere are not fathered by the female named father, then how is it not warranted as a general, female wide matter?

    How is the opposition by any who are at all informed, such as all women who’ve read the arguments here at Roissy’s (such as e.g. anony and Kim), not the desire of sluts or maybe I want to be a slut or cheater in the future, girls wanting to keep their options open, instinctively, without being likely caught?

    This is a serious question I’m asking you aoefe, knowing you’re an ally on this, but also seeing how you realize as a woman that the opposition would be great.

    btw, i’ve been meaning to comment and make recommendations on another thread about something very unusual and wonderful that you said. Something that makes you all the more delicious. I will. If not tonight tomorrow.

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  417. aoefe-

    oh, did you see my comment at your blog that showed you how to do blockquotes?

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  418. @doug

    I think the whole thing in regards to DNA testing is contentious. I know that in court (was there the other day) lawyers are arguing over whether the client(s) will have to give a DNA sample just from having committed a petty crime. The defense attorneys don’t want to give on this issue so I can’t imagine lawyers/judges in our current system agreeing to DNA from everyone. What’s the argument? Cuz if it’s to prove paternity alone – that’s not going to fly. Again not in disagreement with the idea of it, not being a cheater but can see how feminists would back hand this all the way to China (which is through the centre of the earth right?).

    As to the block quotes – yes i got it…bad blond…for not reading up on how to do it yet…sigh

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  419. Gunny–

    Your marriage is governed by Indonesian culture and law, specifically the Islamic micro family and other culture that you wife lives in. That makes a huge difference. Huge.

    The purpose of a prenup is to partially modify, within the realm of the possible, reasonable and mutually agreed, the unfair to men divorce and family support laws and court decision making that currently prevails in North America. Or Britain, but they don’t recognize prenups there. Yet.

    Divorce lawyers or many of them seem to think they will and that it’s a good idea to get them. Of course that also drums up near term business.

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  420. aoefe–

    I think the whole thing in regards to DNA testing is contentious. I know that in court (was there the other day) lawyers are arguing over whether the client(s) will have to give a DNA sample just from having committed a petty crime. The defense attorneys don’t want to give on this issue so I can’t imagine lawyers/judges in our current system agreeing to DNA from everyone. What’s the argument?

    There’s a good deal more argument against having to give up dna in a petty crime that doesn’t require it to solve or prove that crime, than there is to not require dna based paternity testing. The same arguments would apply to not making that dna info obtained during paternity testing available to criminal justice however.

    I think those later “privacy” arguments are specious and junk, but that has little to do with gender politics.

    Of course defense lawyers want to keep it difficult to conclusively prove crime. Why is that in society’s interest? Why is greater accuracy a bad thing?

    There are very good arguments for not allowing dna testing to get into the hands of medical insurance companies in a country such as America, with it’s methods of covering healthy cost. Very good reasons there.

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  421. @doug

    In agreement with respect to the arguments about petty and/or larger crimes why not make it easier. That said it’s somewhat about our ability for keeping that information secure and organized. There will be inevitable wrong Dna wrong person scenarios. The logistics of managing that are huge not to mention costly. As to health insurers, I can see what happens there – skyrocketing costs because of pre-determined health issues later in life (genetic testing). Is there any talk at all of this happening? Is there a movement within the system pushing for mandatory prenups and/or DNA testing?

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  422. Chic — I hate Obama plenty. That’s OK, he hates me and all the other White guys back. He has since he was born. He’s a half-Black guy, expecting him NOT to hate White guys is like asking water not to be wet.

    Women? I don’t hate them. I am realistic about them. They’re as hard left as you can imagine, they’re naturally that way as it’s an outgrowth of the female desire for princes, princesses, kings, nobility, and all that crap. That’s what Leftism is, hereditary nobility dressed up in Progressivism. Gaia’s own aristocrats. Women with less than 10 partners before 30? Sorry, not interested in Cigstache. Not my type.

    I second Vladimir’s points, and would point to Woodrow Wilson again, and his pacifist leanings, and that of his supporters, as pretty convincing evidence that Western society has baked inside it a deeply pacifistic, leftist orientation, mostly due to the views of women (who tend to lead pacifist movements and are in the thick of Leftism). [Wilson’s election was sort of the stake into the heart of the movement of William Jennings Bryan, the Ross Perot/Howard Jarvis of his day, and the Prarie Populism that so threatened the Establishment.]

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  423. “In my perfunctory perusal of Game and its more notable players and advocates I’m seeing an unusually high number of Canadians”

    I’ve noticed this too. Anyone have a theory for why Canadians are so prominent in the PUA movement?

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  424. “*whispers in her ear – “A.J. was hitting on you”

    Not quite.

    More like — making crude jokes that were not understood.

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  425. @lapin- “Anyone have a theory for why Canadians are so prominent in the PUA movement?”

    Cuz we’re awesome!

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  426. on July 19, 2009 at 12:02 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””’doug1
    Gunny–

    Your marriage is governed by Indonesian culture and law, specifically the Islamic micro family and other culture that you wife lives in. That makes a huge difference. Huge.

    The purpose of a prenup is to partially modify, within the realm of the possible, reasonable and mutually agreed, the unfair to men divorce and family support laws and court decision making that currently prevails in North America. Or Britain, but they don’t recognize prenups there. Yet.

    Divorce lawyers or many of them seem to think they will and that it’s a good idea to get them. Of course that also drums up near term business.”””””””””””””””””””

    I wasn’t talking about my wife
    I was talking about if you get a western woman.
    I said do guns prenump it doesn’t require paper. Paper prenump is not enough.

    Oh yea and they deleted my great post at feministing about training my son about the divorce laws he he he
    After the woman is talking about training her 7 year old son in sex.

    This is crazy though.

    ””””””””””””” Gunslingergregi said:
    ””””””July 18, 2009 7:48 PM[3+] safa said:
    What a great answer Prof. Foxy!! I would like to add the importance of parents accepting masturbation. My sons have been having their “alone” time since they were about four. They are now teenagers and pretty well-adjusted kids.

    I think that masturbation is the cornerstone of a person’s sexuality. ”””””””’

    Did you teach them how to masturbate?””””””””””””””””’

    Response:

    ””””””””””July 18, 2009 11:00 PM[3+] vegkitty replied to Gunslingergregi :
    You’re probably trolling, but I’ll humor you.

    1) Learn to reply.

    2) You can’t teach a person how to masturbate, per se. Everyone’s body is different, so what “works” for one person won’t work for another.

    3) As far as I know, parents don’t really have to “teach” kids to masturbate. Most kids will automatically do it because they discover at some point, “oh if I touch here it feels good, therefore I will continue doing it.”

    In conclusion, troll harder.”””””””””

    Does anyone know a 4 year old who is jacking off?
    Wouldn’t that be a sign of sexual abuse?

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  427. I’m actually starting to think that english Chic Noir’s 2nd language.

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  428. on July 19, 2009 at 12:06 am Gunslingergregi

    Doug,
    I wasn’t talking about my wife
    I was talking about if you get a western woman.
    I said do guns pren ump it doesn’t require paper. Paper pren ump is not enough.

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  429. The suffragetes had a lot of unease in granting women the right to vote precisely because they wanted to outlaw booze. Much of it was anti-male, specifically anti-saloon, and anti-Ethnic (Irish, German, and Italian) with a big dollop of anti-Catholic sentiment, and anti-Southerner (i.e. Whiskey drinking and making folks).

    The age-old conflict in America has been between land owning wealthy Eastern Elites who want cheap labor and expensive land, and generally want the people kept out of business, politics, and culture, and those troublesome Westerners who want cheap land and expensive labor (their own) and want to bust right into politics, business, and culture.

    This has nothing to do with Jews, or Marxist conspiracies, or any of that stuff. It does however have a huge gender overlay, since women have shifted from the relative balance of pro-Western (cheap land, expensive labor) to pro-Eastern (cheap labor, expensive land). Given the innate hard-wired preference by women for nobility and aristocracies.

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  430. doug1:

    [The modern Anglo-Saxon leftism] is far more accurately primarily derived from Marx, Boas and the Frankfort school, etc. But it’s true that it’s derived from both.

    You’re greatly overestimating the direct influence of Marx, who was never a significant ideological factor in the Anglosphere, though you could make a better case for the latter two. But in any case, the point is that someone with concrete practical power in the U.S. had to be influenced by these people in order for their ideology to have any practical impact, or otherwise they’d just be long-forgotten hacks. And who was that? Rothbard offers an answer in the article to which I linked above when he describes the early progressivist American intellectuals:

    Most of these intellectuals, of whatever strand or occupation, were either dedicated, messianic postmillennial pietists or else former pietists, born in a deeply pietist home, who, though now secularized, still possessed an intense messianic belief in national and world salvation through Big Government. But, in addition, oddly but characteristically, most combined in their thought and agitation messianic moral or religious fervor with an empirical, allegedly “value-free,” and strictly “scientific” devotion to social science. Whether it be the medical profession’s combined scientific and moralistic devotion to stamping out sin or a similar position among economists or philosophers, this blend is typical of progressive intellectuals.

    This is the real crux of the matter. The messianic belief in national and world salvation through Big Government guided by a supposedly strictly “scientific” devotion to social science has indeed been a 100% home-grown Anglo-Saxon phenomenon. Later, of course, the intellectual standards dropped significantly, thus giving rise to the whole postmodern cesspool, but the lineage can be clearly traced back.

    A lot of the scholarship that guided these people as allegedly “value-free” social science was indeed done by Jews, especially in later periods when the Frankfurt School and the like entered the frame — just like a disproportionate amount of modern physics has been done by Jews; for reasons that are debatable, they have been overrepresented in all high-profile intellectual endeavors in recent history. In fact, one could plausibly argue that the residue of the Talmudic culture gave special talents and inclinations to the first generations of emancipated and secularized Jews to concoct elaborate, all-encompassing, and plausible-sounding, yet ultimately vacuous intellectual systems, from Marx to Freud to Ayn Rand. However, to confuse the wacky leftist scholarship with the actual political movement that produced the idea of messianic salvation through Big Government guided by “social science,” and merely incorporated some of this scholarship into its canon is spectacularly missing the point.

    Besides, it’s easy to overestimate the degree to which Jews were disproportionally represented. Before the Holocaust, although dispersed, Jews weren’t a particularly small people; the total number of Jews was something like 1/3 the population of France. (And also take into account that anti-Jewish critics often apply the one-drop rule. Plus, they often focus on prominent Jewish figures and forget about analogous and equally important Genitle ones — for example, Marx, Boas, Marcuse, and Adorno were Jewish, but, say, Engels, Mead, Gramsci, or Foucault weren’t.)

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  431. on July 18, 2009 at 6:30 pm PA
    In the hood the black chicks get beat.

    My o m e g a friend Ace once visited a convenience store in the deepest hood. (don’t ask why; he had a good reason for it). Related this story to me:

    A very large and muscular black male gets into a very loud shouting match with a very large and fat black female. At one point, he cold-cocks her in the face. As in, full-strength, closed-fist blow to the face.

    She falls down. And then she gets back up, and continues screaming at him as though nothing happened.

    The Korean proprietor starts screaming at them form behind his security-glass: “Yoo geta fuckyou out of heer! get fuckyou out of heer! you sucka much cock moterfukker!”

    And the arguing pair leaves the store, still screaming at each other.

    ——————

    That’s typical nigga foreplay. Shouting and fistfights at the convenience store. The couple will have very passionate sex later.

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  432. on July 19, 2009 at 5:25 am Gunslingergregi

    Ok saw the video I think mysteries thing with woman is that he doesn’t blink. Maybe that is why woman see him as the fellow reptile except his is on the surface. he he he

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  433. Gunslinger, talking about the need for a prenup if the girl has good values

    This could be true but it will take a lot of effort to deprogram her

    It helps if a woman has upstanding values. But women aren’t like men in their thinking. They are less rigid. They intuit what is right. Meaning that if her emotions tell her that there is a better opportunity, this will alter which rational choices she highlights.

    Women are seen as amoral for this reason. They think with their emotions, and rationalize, rather than reason and over-ride their greed.

    Don’t take my word for it. All women are good women in the eyes of their newlywed husbands. They don’t change or reveal a hidden nature on divorce. Women are amoral from the start.

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  434. In order to learn how to deal with people, consider Dr. House.

    It’s all carrot and stick with him. Never any shouldas or couldas or oughtas.

    All the women who slept with men in German occupied territories during WW2. That is the nature of women. It’s all carrot and stick with them. No shouldas or couldas or oughtas.

    Social shaming only works until a better opportunity comes along.

    That is why culture is weak.

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  435. Vlad, I enjoy, admire, and appreciate most of your writing. There are one or two handfulls of top quality male posters here who are regularly worth reading – and you made yourself one of them through the efforts that is natural to your character.

    One area of life where we disagree is fruitful to discussion through the frission.

    Its the question of if it is more respectful of good women and the human condition to compartmentalize people according to how agreeable they are, or whether it’s more respectful and includes more of reality to see us all as a bit devilish and amoral and selfish and greedy and pig-headed at our unchangeable inner core, and live and love with that.

    STR8UP picked a few comments of mine and eloborated on them in this comment thread. It’s an interesting discussion, and tension. http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=162546

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  436. on July 19, 2009 at 7:19 am Gunslingergregi

    Xsplat that does look intesting and I remember you talking about it.

    The end game to that is not only being her man on this earth who she “loves”

    gathering the love of her father and replacing the father figure in her eyes with transference of “love”

    But also taking the place of her god and becoming that in her eyes as well as she would love her god with soul.

    Are you willing to go that far.

    Are you willing to take on the responsability of a god.

    To get the supreme loyalty and full being that is woman.

    Can you handle that amount of freedom. To really and truly be able to walk through hell with your woman because it might be where you end up.

    I have mentioned this in the, I wonder if I told her to jump off a cliff and she did it, as a test to see what level she loves at. Would that make me god in her eyes?

    Since to do it she cannot imagine a higher power than you since you are her everything and her trust in your words, and love of your being are complete.

    And if you achieve this then what more life can be lived? What more could be possible?

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  437. I’ve noticed this too. Anyone have a theory for why Canadians are so prominent in the PUA movement?

    Canadians are naturally inclusive. We are not ideologues, and don’t identify strictly with in-group notions. We are liberal in attitude, and generous in our agnosticism. We don’t know everything, and that is a point of pride amongst us.

    Know it-alls-strike us as more ignorant than know-a-littles.

    So learning new information doesn’t cause overwhelming cognitive dissonance for us. No biggie – the world was not as I knew. An ongoing process of becoming something other than we were can be natural. Reborn this year, reborn again in a few years. No biggie.

    We don’t tie ourselves to fundamentalist roots.

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  438. Gunny, the cliff my current little girl is willing to jump off with me is the threesome and live in sex-toy cliff.

    That is God-like power, indeed. I may not be Zeus, but there might be a little of Pan’s blood in me.

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  439. on July 19, 2009 at 7:34 am Gunslingergregi

    simplified,

    Are you confident enough to offer her eternity and is she confident enough in you to believe it.

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  440. Absolutely not, Gunny!

    Like I said above – I’m Canadian. I don’t know everything. I can’t predict the future.

    Only fundamentalists know the future.

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  441. on July 19, 2009 at 7:40 am Gunslingergregi

    Well you could know it if she passed the test but in passing you lose her.

    It is a sick world

    he he he

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  442. Even the gods fall in and out of love, and not one of them are to be trusted.

    Anyone who knows himself well enough to trust himself is a fool. That’s thinking like a woman. We are fallible and fallen – each of us. Even Zeus could be a fillandering ashole at times.

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  443. on July 19, 2009 at 7:56 am Gunslingergregi

    I think though you can add hero to the mix for sure.

    Hero is a big part as well.

    To do that though you have to have been heroic.

    Which means you had to of been able to lay down your life for her and live.

    In essense you have already given her the role of goddess.

    Since you where able to rise up from that.

    And since you lived that means you have bestowed goddess and ony a god can do that.

    She used to think she was just a princess but after seeing the laying down of life. Her value becomes unreal in her eyes. Which put your value as her everything at infinite.

    Not easy to get to god who said it was he he he

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  444. on July 19, 2009 at 8:02 am Gunslingergregi

    You look uncomfortable Sir,

    Can I get you a chair?

    Ahh but what if you can believe in trusting yourself because it doesn’t matter because you are a god and what you do say believe is truth irregardless of what it is. You are not referrencing anything but your own inner thoughts for proof of truth. What if they are congruent?

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  445. on July 19, 2009 at 8:17 am Gunslingergregi

    Just thoughts on ultimate trust.

    but yea I guess we may have to stick with status qoue.

    I have trouble trusting myself fully.

    Although I think I figured out why I need to get rich off stock market is so that I can be a special snowflake who is the best at something even though there are much easier and surer ways of doing it. It must be because I am special. I am so good at it where others have failed. Rather than just buying some houses and renting them.

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  446. vlad and doug

    isn’t it more accurate to say that after progressivism came to its ultimate fruition, played itself out and was defeated, it melded with post war jewish and italian immigrant marxism and “psychology” to form the weird amalgam mess that modern “liberalism” and cultural marxism are today?

    its always been my contention that european jews WERE communists and DID do everything in the US the anti semites say they did, just not because they were JEWISH, but because they were european. my grandparents in poland before the war were communists, other parts of their family were zionists–none of them were “classical liberals” lol–they had never heard of it! they (and italian immigrants) simply carried the ideological fight they were having in europe BEFORE the war here with no actual conception that the US had a wholly different history, social/ethnic makeup and political structure

    you can’t deny that the experience of the holocaust led to the shriving of war, nationalism and technical racism from the collectivist cannon and it’s replacement with pacifism, universalism, and multi culturalism. the ease with which the euro leftists were able to detach “the masses” from their theories and replace them with third world denizens a la Fanon, or blacks in the Us shows clearly why the viral left is undefeatable.

    (if my teeny little html attempt didn’t work i will be really embarrassed)

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  447. on July 19, 2009 at 8:35 am Gunslingergregi

    Dana just detach people from being willing to die for there beliefs and you can do anything to them. Easy shit.

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  448. on July 19, 2009 at 8:40 am Gunslingergregi

    Then the ones who slip through cracks and will die for their beliefs you make sure they only sacrfice themselves against something that does not matter.

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  449. OK people, just checking the comments and have the following to say in response:

    Chic-w/all due respect I am inclined to agree w/my colleagues on the question of Violence & Men/Women. The jury’s in, as Doug, Whiskey, Rum and others have noted, Women as a group, do NOT have the capacity to kill on demand, in a cohesive, efficient manner. For every one “GI Jane” you or anyone can think of, any one of us can name a very real Leonidas, Hannibal, Shaka Zulu, Mansa Musa, etc, et al.

    Moreover, one of the last places to use as an example are Africa and India. For example, take Kenya, which is again in the grips of internecine strife among its “top dawg” tribes, one of whom Obama himself draws his lineage. Who do you think is doing the lion’s share of the fighting?-and since we’re talking about lions here, who do you think actually kills the lions-the Masai *Men*, or Women?

    To ask the question, is to answer it.

    Next, let’s take a look at Rwanda. Where were the Women’s Brigades, Chic? Nearly a MILLION Men, Women, AND Children were wiped out, mostly w/the use of machetes, in what, something like a month? There have been at least two major movies made about it, and several documentaries. None of them mentioning anything about Women banding together to militarily stop the Menfolk.

    Thomas-Sirleaf in Liberia is treading on some very thin ice, because fighting could very well resume real quick if she doesn’t figure out how to make some of the continent’s most fearsome warriors into Inlaws instead of keeping them outlaws. While the current trend is to focus on the trials and tribulations of the Women of the Third World, where the real rubber hits the road is in taking guys like those in Charles Taylor’s army and normalizing them, something that isn’t really happening in any broad based way. Its only a matter of time before Sirleaf’s program falls apart for simply refusing to deal w/reality: lots of battle hardened Men, w/nothing meaningful to do, no purpose in their lives and now Women who think they too have a “right” to uppityness, only creates for a very bad situation. The clock is ticking in Liberia like a MFer.

    Next up-South Africa, home to the WORLD’S highest per captia rapes. True, there are organized vigilante groups there, but last I heard, they were all Male. If ever there was a need for an Armed Women’s Brigade, SAFR would be it, yet…nothing.

    Same deal in Congo, where guys routinely do stuff to Women there that I can’t even repeat here. And would gross out even military trained guys like PA. No Xena, no GI Jane, to be seen in Congo.

    And in India, where Women are routinely doused w/acid if they don’t act right in their hubbie’s eyes, please. What little the organized bands of Women there do pales in comparison.

    As for the numbers argument, I’ve moved through a number of inner city ghettos, and trust me, the vast majority of beatdowns I’ve seen, were by guys on guys. I can count the number of times, where Women did the same to guys, on one hand, over more than two decades. Hardly a convincing trend.

    Leonidas proved that a smaller number of highly trained, equipped and motivated Men could do considerable damage to the enemy. Muhammad Atta proved this again on Sep 11, 2001. Over and over again Men have proven this principle at work, and history doesn’t record any Women doing same. Perhaps the more skilled in the historical arts can correct me.

    Whiskey-until proven, neither Farrakhan nor Wright can be put into the same camp as Jackson, whom we know for a fact that he does indeed have a child outside his marriage, and that he used organization funds to support her and her mama.

    I don’t see Obama as “hating Whitey” at all, but I do see him being intensely at odds w/his bi-racial lineage, which is common w/such people in our society. His autobiography is a very interesting read. Sailer’s analysis is interesting as well.

    More in a minute.

    O

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  450. Whiskey – Given the innate hard-wired preference by women for nobility and aristocracies.

    Is that your gut assertion or somethng you can substantiate?

    Dana – the ease with which the euro leftists were able to detach “the masses” from their theories and replace them with third world denizens a la Fanon, or blacks in the Us shows clearly why the viral left is undefeatable.

    I like the term “viral left.” And your argument is in line with my speculation that the Left isn’t necessarily going to remain committed to Population Replacement as circumstances change in the future.

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  451. @ doug 1
    “that a man be required to pay for 20 years or so of child support=alimony for a slut’s one night or short daliance child.”

    And the alternative is that society and taxpayers should pay. Sorry, clean up after your own mess, we’re not your mommy.

    “Obviously men should have Roe rights as well.”
    One double standard doesn’t earn another. This about men and being alpha and taking personal responsibility, not pointing the finger at women’s poor behavior and decisions and crying like a bitch about it.

    “And the great majority here agree.”
    If your claim to speak for the majority here agree, then the majority here are douchebags but not men and certainly not alpha men.

    “How ridiculous. Your male oppressive concurrence with the feminist solution, based upon …. natural law, is what is lame. Beyond lame. Thoroughly mainstream media feminist ideology….”

    Now your just repeating yourself. Men being alpha demonstrating what logic about biology is and taking responsibility for their actions is hardly feminist.

    Feminist women don’t argue natural law, they complain and act against it. Once again you confuse the discussion about men by arguing with straw men about women. You listen to Obama too much.

    Act like an alpha, take responsibility for your actions and you don’t have to worry about anyone else.

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  452. @dana – great links and argument. especially the bit about secular leftism being a logical (dead-) end point of progressive Protestantism. it explains the persistence and imperviousness to logic and evidence – it’s a faith, about making their own souls pure as much as any real-world effect.

    i’ve always thought environmentalism has the same intensity and illogic because it also draws on the deep-proto-religious impulses in the brain. at some hindbrain level (different part of hindbrain than roissy usually cites), it’s a reversion to pre-monotheistic animist impulses, worshiping Gaia and the spirits of the air, water, whatever. You can argue, say, that a given factory emits some effluent in miniscule ppms that will have no demonstrable or potential effect, in terms of measurement and science. but they’ll still let up a hue and cry – the only acceptable emission is zero, because it would offend the spirit of the river otherwise. some of these same folks think the optimal human population of the planet is zero. the same types that think it’s necessary to preserve spotted owls and snail darters. the ultimate self-flagellation for the sin of existing. (ok, that bit is from Christianity, but the impulse is still fundamentally anti-rational.)

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  453. p.s. @dana – i neeed to read and think about the anglo-marxist brew argument a bit more. not able to do so at the moment, with nephews running around. will do so later on. very interesting stuff.

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  454. “Applying that weak perspective for men is lame. Or worse, it’s pathetic for a man to ignore the realities that come with pulling down the zipper or “opening the legs” as you put it for women.

    Obviously, the irony of the point completely is beyond you.

    If you can’t deal with the results of natural law, then follow your own advice and “keep your legs shut” like you say to women.”

    @Smarty Jones —

    But that has nothing at all to do with Roe. Both men and women are capable of abstaining from sex to avoid pregnancy, yet only women get a second bite at the apple. And that doesn’t follow from nature, it’s been provided for artificially by science and law. If women get that additional bite at the apple, why shouldn’t men?

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  455. the idea of giving men the right to force an unwanted abortion on women is too extreme

    better to simply give men the right to ignore the child. or, eliminate any forceful payment from him to the mother.

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  456. on July 19, 2009 at 11:52 am Usual suspect

    Novaseeker wrote:
    > But that has nothing at all to do with Roe. Both men and > women are capable of abstaining from sex to avoid
    > pregnancy, yet only women get a second bite at the
    > apple. And that doesn’t follow from nature, it’s been
    > provided for artificially by science and law. If women get
    > that additional bite at the apple, why shouldn’t men?

    Women have two additional bites after pregnancy: 1) abortion 2) give the baby up for adoption
    Method 2) doesn’t contradict religious beliefs

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  457. on July 19, 2009 at 11:56 am Usual suspect

    SmartyJones wrote:

    > And the alternative is that society and taxpayers should
    > pay. Sorry, clean up after your own mess, we’re not your
    > mommy.

    That’s not the natural alternative. The idea of taxpayers paying for the child is pretty new, it came with socialism and welfare state. If the mother cannot support the child, she can always give up the child for adoption, freeing herself from all the obligations to the child

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  458. “the idea of giving men the right to force an unwanted abortion on women is too extreme

    better to simply give men the right to ignore the child. or, eliminate any forceful payment from him to the mother.”

    @gig —

    Which is what almost everyone means when they say “Roe for Men”. I haven’t ever seen anyone advocating that men should be able to force abortions. Simply that they should be able to get a second bite at insulating themselves from the impact of an unwanted pregnancy — as you say by disowning the child, and having no responsibility. That is the equivalent, for men, of having an abortion, regardless of whether the woman decides to carry the baby to term.

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  459. And the alternative is that society and taxpayers should pay. Sorry, clean up after your own mess, we’re not your mommy.

    if you haven´t noticed, we have both worlds right now. middle class fathers are enslaved through alimony and the state takes care of bastard children from low income fathers

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  460. on July 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’on July 19, 2009 at 11:52 am Usual suspect
    Novaseeker wrote:
    > But that has nothing at all to do with Roe. Both men and > women are capable of abstaining from sex to avoid
    > pregnancy, yet only women get a second bite at the
    > apple. And that doesn’t follow from nature, it’s been
    > provided for artificially by science and law. If women get
    > that additional bite at the apple, why shouldn’t men?

    Women have two additional bites after pregnancy: 1) abortion 2) give the baby up for adoption
    Method 2) doesn’t contradict religious beliefs

    on July 19, 2009 at 11:56 am Usual suspect
    SmartyJones wrote:

    > And the alternative is that society and taxpayers should
    > pay. Sorry, clean up after your own mess, we’re not your
    > mommy.

    That’s not the natural alternative. The idea of taxpayers paying for the child is pretty new, it came with socialism and welfare state. If the mother cannot support the child, she can always give up the child for adoption, freeing herself from all the obligations to the child”””””””””’

    That was some hard core shit.

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  461. on July 19, 2009 at 1:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then again if the taxpayers can’t pay for some little kids to be ok but can send 900 billion (slightly exagerated) all over the world for aids research then yea I think people are fooling themselves a little. What about tax payer benefits. The only time the media is concerned about number is when it doesn’t mean anything.

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  462. OK, so I got a little sidetracked with you know who, lol. Picking up where I left off…

    I think the Right has to be careful here: they don’t want to potentially alienate people who may either be open to their message, or are already fellow travellers. In other words, non-White Conservatives.

    Sure, the GOP can continue to win elections by catering to an entirely White voter base, but the question becomes, at what cost? Aside from demographics changes, we also have to keep in mind that there are quite a few Whites who simply don’t feel comfortable w/a “White Party” or notions of such, etc.

    So, in my humble view, its to the GOP’s advantage to emphasize *commonsense* policy prescriptions that most reasonable people can get on board with. For example:

    1. Abortion-instead of continuing the neverending Pro-Choice/Pro-Life divide, simply move the debate to a question of Reproductive Rights for ALL-Men AND Women.

    2. Affirmative Action-polling suggests that nearly half of all African Americans are either ambivalent about or flatout against it-angry speak about it that smacks of racial animus can run the significant risk of alienating a potentially powerful demographic that can be really helpful in turning the tide here. Do we really want to do that?

    3. Gay Marriage-again, we’re arguing this thing all wrong. The issue aint what Gay folk do on their own time and dime; the issue is, if we change the rules as to who gets married, where does it stop? Does that mean it would include Mormons to take more than one wife (or Muslims)? Does it mean that incestuous couples-siblings, mom-son, dad-daughter-can they get married, too? And if not, WHY? I mean, at least historically, no matter what one’s personal views, incest and polygamy have been documented in the historical record in ways that Gay Marriage has not.

    4. Economic Stimulus-is it a good idea to keep businesses afloat, that clearly have made bad decisions, on the taxpayers’ dime? And should we then pay these same failed bosses *bonuses*-again, on the taxpayers’ dime? If so, how do we justify that? Could any of us fail as badly, yet still get a bonus?

    5. Taxes-isn’t better for everyone to have a much more simplified code-one that is fair to everyone, regardless of their station in life? And besides, in a “Green” age, shouldn’t we tie taxation to one’s consumption? If people want to be gluttonous, let them pay for it. A flat tax, based on one’s consumption, NOT ON ONE’S INCOME, is the best way to go.

    6. And since we’re dealing w/efficiency, waste and graft, WHY do the IRS, Dept of Education, etc et al, exist? Are they really helping people live more fuller, productive and freer lives? These departments should at the very least, significantly scaled back, if not eliminated outright-think of the BILLIONS that can be saved as a result, while promoting liberty at the same time.

    These are just a few things Conservatives can both, actually win on, and as well, appeal to a broader base of people.

    Think about it.

    And by all means, holla back

    The Obsidian

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  463. Obsidian

    Firepower, please; hyperbole is not your strong suit.

    its not hyperbole
    It’s A White Thing

    You wouldn’t understand

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  464. @ obsidian

    everyone wants lower taxes. the problem lies with the people living from those taxes

    from women´s studies professors in the Ivy League to overpaid retired public servants and single mothers in da hood, there is simply too many people on the gravy train.

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  465. Indeed, FP; indeed.

    O

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  466. Gig,
    A flat tax based on consumption is the way to go. This way everyone is taxed fairly-if you don’t use it, you don’t pay for it, and even illegal aliens have to pay taxes.

    O

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  467. O

    I support the flat tax on consumption. the problem is it hurts the most those who contribute the less. those people are the majority of the US now, and even during economic expansions, probably 40% of the US takes more than they give to the state

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  468. dana:

    isn’t it more accurate to say that after progressivism came to its ultimate fruition, played itself out and was defeated, it melded with post war jewish and italian immigrant marxism and “psychology” to form the weird amalgam mess that modern “liberalism” and cultural marxism are today?

    What do you mean by “defeated”? Ever since the early 20th century, the history of the U.S. has been an unbroken string of progressivist victories. Some of its worst excesses provoked brief periods of reaction, most notably under Harding and Reagan, but none of these managed to stop, let alone reverse the ratchet.

    its always been my contention that european jews WERE communists and DID do everything in the US the anti semites say they did, just not because they were JEWISH, but because they were european. my grandparents in poland before the war were communists, other parts of their family were zionists–none of them were “classical liberals” lol–they had never heard of it! they (and italian immigrants) simply carried the ideological fight they were having in europe BEFORE the war here with no actual conception that the US had a wholly different history, social/ethnic makeup and political structure

    You’re making too much of a blanket assertion about European Jews. They massively supported subversive leftist movements only in places where they were surrounded by serious hostility and repression, either by anti-Jewish policies of righ-wing regimes or by mob pogroms (or both, as in the Imperial Russia). In Austria-Hungary, for example, Jews overwhelmingly supported the ancient reactionary order, which treated them like loyal subjects. Even in Imperial Germany and the early Weimar Republic, many Jews struggled to be recognized as loyal and patriotic German citizens, which most of them certainly were.

    Still, you are right that many leftist European Jews continued their politics in the U.S. The question is, how significant was their influence on the modern Left? And this is where Macdonaldesque theories have a grossly distorted view of reality. The progressivist steamroller had been moving on inexorably as a home-grown WASP monster long before any Jews had any influence on it; we can only debate to what extent its slowly changing and leftward-drifting ideology was influenced by Jewish and other European ideologues from the Frankfurt School etc. in certain periods. I’d say that some influence was certainly there, but looking at it as the main cause of the present troubles is missing the forest for a tree.

    you can’t deny that the experience of the holocaust led to the shriving of war, nationalism and technical racism from the collectivist cannon and it’s replacement with pacifism, universalism, and multi culturalism.

    That’s only partly true. Now I’m going to pull out the link that Mencius Moldbug often uses to counter such claims:
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,801396,00.html

    Observe this ideological program — it contains nearly all the points you mentioned above. Then look at the date — it’s from before anything was known in the West about the Holocaust, which was only at its starting phase at that time; we can safely assume that up to this point, Americans hadn’t heard anything about the Nazi treatment of Jews that would be radically worse than Jim Crow. And here we have the pure WASP Federal Council of Churches, with no Jews or any other non-WASPs in sight, proudly announcing this program as “super-protestant.” Try digging through the Time archives and you’ll find more of the same stuff from even earlier dates. There’s just no possible way you can trace any of this to any Jewish influences.

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  469. subversive leftist movements only in places where they were surrounded by serious hostility and repression

    like today´s New England and today´s Brazil, notorious hot beds of virulent anti-semitism

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  470. dana:

    the ease with which the euro leftists were able to detach “the masses” from their theories and replace them with third world denizens a la Fanon, or blacks in the Us shows clearly why the viral left is undefeatable.

    Another important point: except for a handful of geriatric unrepentant Stalinists and other completely marginal characters, there’s no such thing as “Euro left.” Except for a few small oases of political continuity like Switzerland, there is no ideological current in modern mainstream European politics that represents an authentic tradition reaching back to before WW2; all those were completely obliterated by the 1914-1945 cataclysm. With the demise of the Soviet Union, all that now remains are clones of the American New Deal state, guided by the imported American progressivist ideology that followed Patton’s tanks, and is nowadays relayed and dictated via Brussels — even behind the former Iron Curtain, where it still hasn’t been established as strongly as in the West, but it’s in the process of taking root.

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  471. gig:

    like today´s New England and today´s Brazil, notorious hot beds of virulent anti-semitism

    I was talking specifically about Europe before WW2. Learn to read carefully before making smartass comments.

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  472. vlad–there’s a lot in your post to digest, and most is undoubtably true, but are you really going to look me in the pixel and deny the huge jewish component to the (obviously leftist) cultural revolution of the 60s? (in the US)

    the red diaper babies?

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  473. …and the civil rights movement, the wedge by which the cultural left entered its prime

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  474. on July 19, 2009 at 4:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    What no comment on my god thought lol

    wtf

    No one else wants to be god.

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  475. On the Jewish thing, I generally don’t put a lot of stock in the standard antisemitic arguments, and Mencius Moldbug was very helpful in directing my attention to Anglo-Protestant sources of Leftism.

    On the other hand, vehement arguments that absolve Jews of any role but the most incedental or merely opportunistic of kind in Eastern European communism, for example, or American 1960s Leftism, also strike me as lacking.

    Also, I have some aversion to arguments that cloak Jewish/Christian relations in Europe in words like “oppressed”, “pogroms” and such, as I don’t accept the oppressor/victim narrative. I’m more partial to value-neutral explanations of good old fashioned ethnic rivalry.

    Doug1 recently made an excellent coment about one of the sources, historically, of Slavic/Jewish conflict stemming from the latter’s frequent practice of unscrupulous financial practices againt the former, for example.

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  476. PA

    i wouldn’t say “unscrupulous”, i’d say poorly understood.

    have you heard the expression “anti semitism is the socialism of fools”?

    it refers to the total failure of many europeans in the past to understand the role of middlemen and brokers in markets, commerce and finance

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  477. on July 19, 2009 at 5:45 pm mandy been here a while

    Also, I have some aversion to arguments that cloak Jewish/Christian relations in Europe in words like “oppressed”, “pogroms” and such, as I don’t accept the oppressor/victim narrative. I’m more partial to value-neutral explanations of good old fashioned ethnic rivalry.

    Doug1 recently made an excellent coment about one of the sources, historically, of Slavic/Jewish conflict stemming from the latter’s frequent practice of unscrupulous financial practices againt the former, for example.

    Indeed, the good guy/bad guy narrative of the history of the Jews in Europe seems drawn exclusively from the Jewish perspective. The fact that this view is widespread in the West adds fuel to the conspiracy theories fire.

    One the one hand, Jewish communities would get punished for the misdeeds of a few. On the other hand, no one can say that all Jews in those communities are completely innocent and undeserving of their neighbors disdain, anger or desire for justice. Clearly the Nazis were well beyond the scope of justice but other anti-Semitic feelings in Europe didn’t arise out of nothing.

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  478. I remember reading something a long time ago regarding Jewish-Roman relations. A lot of Romans, apparently, did not like Jews because, to the Romans, Jews came off as misanthropic.

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  479. on July 19, 2009 at 5:58 pm mandy been here a while

    Vladimir
    Ever since the early 20th century, the history of the U.S. has been an unbroken string of progressivist victories. Some of its worst excesses provoked brief periods of reaction, most notably under Harding and Reagan, but none of these managed to stop, let alone reverse the ratchet.,/blockquote>
    some have said the US had a bloodless communist revolution when Roosevelt was elected. By this theory, we have just been slowly watching its implementation.

    Buckley said he was “standing athwart history and yelling STOP.” That seems all the Republicans can hope for anymore.

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  480. Pa

    regarding the viral left

    it occured to me when reading gore vidal’s julian a long time ago that altruism/collectivism/mysticism in any of several forms, most famously as christianity and/or socialism is an ideological memetic disease of advanced bureaucracy. it requires a host civilization to develop and thrive because no civilization can ARISE on it’s principles.

    rome, 18th century france, now–government is characterized by the the eunuch, the courtier and the bureaucrat/flak. these aren’t the men who build civilization, but the ones with the skills to run it until final decadence sets in and it approaches the point of no return

    marx as much admits this with his claim that capitalism is a phase on the way to communism–basically saying only what capitalism builds can communism can latch onto.

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  481. Obsidian,

    A flat tax based on consumption is the way to go. This way everyone is taxed fairly-if you don’t use it, you don’t pay for it, and even illegal aliens have to pay taxes.

    A superbly fair idea of course. That is why it will not pass.

    Lower income people would end up paying MORE than they are now. while higher income people would end up paying less.

    Of course, this is fair, as a person’s taxes are partially within their control (buy the Honda instead of the BMW, and reduce your taxes!!). The added benefit is that low-income illegals will end up paying much more than they currently are, and may decide to leave the country.

    Also, tax evasion will be impossible except on small items that can be paid in cash, and the IRS can be eliminated as a bureaucracy.

    A comsumption sales tax of, say, 17% should enable us to eliminate all Federal income taxes. Plus, states that levy high income taxes (California, New York) will look all the more unappealing.

    I have written about this here (hint on the URL).

    But it is far too libertarian, and far less socialist than the incumbents want. This should have been passed a century ago, so that it would be the status quo today. It is far too late to pass it today.

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  482. note:

    if you read the link under my line about reaching ultimate fruition and being defeated, i’m saying nazism and fascism were the final fruit of early 20th century progressivism and after their defeat in ww2 there was a shift of definitions and realignment of ethnic advocates in the US

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  483. dana:

    vlad–there’s a lot in your post to digest, and most is undoubtably true, but are you really going to look me in the pixel and deny the huge jewish component to the (obviously leftist) cultural revolution of the 60s? (in the US)

    …and the civil rights movement, the wedge by which the cultural left entered its prime

    Of course not. Yet, it should be recognized that the ideological influences commonly referred to as “cultural Marxism” (whether coming from Jews or not) started gaining significance only then. By that time, the progressive movement had already had a long, unbroken, and influential history, and had already displayed most of its characteristic tropes, if only in a cruder and more primitive fashion. In my opinion, the best case that could be reasonably made for a decisive malignant “cultural Marxist” influence is that the Anglo-progressivism was fairly sane on the issues of marriage, family, and sex until the sixties, when it received the “cultural Marxist” ideological injection that resulted its subsequent insanity in this regard.

    There’s no doubt that this is true to some extent, yet it’s not clear to me how large the practical influence of the Frankfurt School and the other prominent Marxist, Freudian, existentialist, etc. intellectual outlets really was, and how much we should instead look for less obvious economic, social, technical, and other factors that ushered the sexual revolution. After all, greatly influential philosophers, from Nietzsche to Russell (both, by the way, non-Jewish and yet key influences on the postmodern Left) were attacking the traditional bourgeois morality decades before that, but without much effect. It’s also unclear whether and to what extent the disproportionate percentage of Jews in these outlets was different from their disproportionate representation in all other intellectual fields. To give some perspective, half of these people were Jewish; the fact that a vastly disproportionate percentage of prominent leftist scholarship was also produced by Jews thus doesn’t necessarily imply their specially malignant intent. It’s plausible that like their co-ethnic physicists, they just applied their intelligence to whatever intellectual pursuits they found interesting and rewarding.

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  484. on July 19, 2009 at 6:24 pm mandy been here a while

    dana
    Interesting poitn dana about communism latching onto what capitalism builds. Like a parasite one might say.

    I think the modern left whether Anglo or Jew is a reaction against traditional Christianity. I mean the fire and brimstone, you go to hell forever brand not the sissified, emasculated hippy version of Chrsit. It arises from anger at being told ther is a strict standard and eternal consequence for not heeding that standards.

    As long as some people embrace traditional Chrsitianity, other people will embrace modern liberalism as a reaction to it.

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  485. on July 19, 2009 at 6:26 pm mandy been here a while

    oops forgot to say Erasmus of Rotterdam was an early example of non-Jewish (and non Anglo) progressive degernation against standards in Christianity.

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  486. mandybeen

    leftism and christianity are both forms of altruism/collectivism/mysticism perennially at war for converts—thats why neither have a thing to say to classical liberalism or libertarianism and spend all their time at each others throats, where there are no shared premises there can be no argument, only mutual disinterest

    i’ll have to comment here when i have enough time to write everything i need to lol

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  487. “Buckley said he was “standing athwart history and yelling STOP.” That seems all the Republicans can hope for anymore.”

    @mandy been here a while —

    It’s a problem that conservatism suffers from in general. It’s generally speaking a resistance movement. Friedrich Hayek pointed this out in his interesting essay entitled “Why I am Not a Conservative”, in which he lays out his ideas for what sounds like libertarianism, while shying away from the name for PR reasons.

    Conservatives struggle when they don’t have something to resist. Most of the conservative agenda has generally consisted in trying to rollback this or that, or prevent further damaging changes from taking place. That tends to work best, as you point out, when the left has just gone through a period of revolutionary excess, because people react against that and elect the conservatives to slow things down, and roll back some of the worst excesses.

    It’s why Hayek said what we need to challenge the left properly is not conservatism, as such, but a program that embraces the future and empowers that future through freedom. The problem with that, of course, is that if you follow that to its logical conclusion, you destroy marriage, family, and all social convention in the process.

    It’s why from my own perspective, we need a coalition between libertarians and conservatives — both to restrain the excesses of the other, while collaborating to combat the far worse excesses of the socialist left (and yes, the left is always socialist at heart, regardless of what more palpable words they use to describe themselves).

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  488. mandybeen,

    it’s also my belief that jews in particular latched on to communism beyond the pale because they were culturally exhausted and communism for the first time offered them something to convert to besides the perceived oppressive christianity.

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  489. Learn to read carefully before making smartass comments.

    you say that jewish involvement in the radical left was associated to anti-semitism in the countries they lived.

    I say that jews are leading the radical left even in places completely devoid of anti semitism

    how exactly do you explain it?

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  490. PA:

    On the other hand, vehement arguments that absolve Jews of any role but the most incedental or merely opportunistic of kind in Eastern European communism, for example, or American 1960s Leftism, also strike me as lacking.

    When it comes to American leftism, it boils down to a simple question: were the Jews, for some special reason specific to them, especially eager to engage in leftist propaganda and activism, or did they simply go along with the general trend of the intellectual classes adopting wacky leftist ideologies, and ended up prominent in this intellectual field just like in any other, and for much the same reasons?

    I’m decently knowledgeable about math and physics, and I also know a lot about the history of the contemporary leftist ideas, and my impression is that the Jewish presence among the luminaries and pioneers of the postmodern leftist thought has been roughly the same as their presence among the pioneers and luminaries of modern math and physics. This is not a decisive argument in favor of the latter view, but I think it is a strong one.

    Also, I have some aversion to arguments that cloak Jewish/Christian relations in Europe in words like “oppressed”, “pogroms” and such, as I don’t accept the oppressor/victim narrative. I’m more partial to value-neutral explanations of good old fashioned ethnic rivalry.

    I’m not using “pogrom” as an especially loaded word, but merely as the standard term for a well-attested historical phenomenon. Similarly with “repression”; I don’t see what other term would be suitable to describe e.g. the Russian May Laws of 1882. Just using these terms doesn’t mean that I’m accepting a simplistic victim/oppressor narrative. It is however a fact that in the Russian Empire and many of the Eastern European states that emerged between the world wars, Jews were overwhelmingly on the receiving end of mob violence and legal disabilities, and whatever the causes of the underlying conflicts really were, such treatment was typically meted out on a collective basis and often on false pretexts.

    In any case, the point of what I’ve been writing about this topic is that focusing on the Jewish contributions to leftist ideology and activism tends to be misleading. There simply isn’t much understanding to be gained that way, and it can fatally distract one’s attention from the really critical issues.

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  491. on July 19, 2009 at 8:05 pm The Older Man

    I think Mystery having a kid is inevitable and is probably doing wonders for his game.

    And I never judge anyone who gets called a “Dead Beat Dad*” Just about every self employed man I know is labelled a “dead beat dad” by his “babby momma”

    When looking at child support woman always look at the top line or “Gross Revenue” number of the business… And never consider the bottom line after the long long line of ALL the COSTS… plus taxes

    They simply cannot concieve

    – the amount of money it cost to run and maintain a decent sized business

    – the fact that it takes some people 90 plus days to pay their bills

    – the fact that the various local state and federal tax authorities come along at the end of the year and take 30% of the remainder at the end of the year.

    * the term is just standard shaming language (again).

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  492. on July 19, 2009 at 9:13 pm mandy been here a while

    dana

    leftism and christianity are both forms of altruism/collectivism/mysticism perennially at war for converts—thats why neither have a thing to say to classical liberalism or libertarianism and spend all their time at each others throats, where there are no shared premises there can be no argument, only mutual disinterest

    This makes sense. I’ve particularly noticed the similarity between discussion of the Apocalypse and Global Warming.

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  493. on July 19, 2009 at 9:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    yea but mandy the apocalypse is real.

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  494. Speaking of global warming, if it were actually happening, it would be a disaster for civilization.

    But something in my instincts and sensibilities, however, would really welcome a massive global cooling.

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  495. on July 19, 2009 at 10:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    bring back whooly mammoths so we can hunt them with homeade knives. Sounds good. wrap up in bearskin coats and shit. Live in igloos. Sleep through winter.

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  496. on July 19, 2009 at 10:54 pm totalesturns

    Vladimir —

    You should start a blog. Your contributions to this thread have been the most succinct and lucid statement of the case against the “malignant Jewish influence” theory of Western decline, and I would love to see them written up as an essay and posted in an easily linkable format.

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  497. @dana- *you* read gore vidal? didn’t see that coming.

    do post your longer thoughts on this subject, in this thread or elsewhere – your exchange with vlad today was first rate.

    @vlad – second the motion. start a blog to write about all this.

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  498. on July 20, 2009 at 12:10 am mandy been here a while

    gunslinger
    I’m Calvinist so I agree 😉

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  499. on July 20, 2009 at 12:13 am Gunslingergregi

    well at least one he he he

    Not that I remember what a calvinist is.

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  500. on July 20, 2009 at 12:17 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Total depravity is the fallen state of man as a result of original sin. The doctrine of total depravity asserts that people are by nature not inclined to love God wholly with heart, mind, and strength, but rather all are inclined to serve their own interests over those of their neighbor and to reject the rule of God. Even religion and philanthropy are destructive to the extent that these originate from a human imagination, passions, and will. Therefore, in Reformed Theology, God must predestine individuals into salvation since man is incapable of choosing God.[5]””””””””””””””””

    Interesting must be easy to do or is there a catch?

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  501. on July 20, 2009 at 12:21 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””The Calvinistic doctrine of predestination is a doctrine of Calvinism which deals with the question of the control God exercises over the world. In the words of the Westminster Confession of Faith, God “freely and unchangeably ordained whatsoever comes to pass.”[1] The second use of the word “predestination” applies this to the salvation, and refers to the belief that God appointed the eternal destiny of some to salvation by grace, while leaving the remainder to receive eternal damnation for all their sins, even their original sin. The former is called “unconditional election”, and the latter “reprobation”. In Calvinism, men must be predestined and effectually called (regenerated/born again) unto faith by God before they will even wish to believe or wish to be justified.””””””’

    There is the eternal damnation we have come to expect but doesn’t fit with total deprevity does it?

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  502. on July 20, 2009 at 5:56 am Calvin Wallace

    blah blah your blog fucking sucks for trashing mystery.
    he can’t be allowed to have real human emotions, not even for his own children?

    you sick fuck.
    live a little

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  503. Tood,
    There will always be rich and poor in any society; our charge, as Conservatives, isn’t to ensure the “right” outcomes, but to ensure that everyone has a real, fair and equal shot at moving up the Ladder of Life. How far a person can move up will then depend on their own talent, desire to succeed, etc.

    The flat/consumption tax idea of mine is fully in line with the aforementioned ideas, because a person has a direct hand in that which he/she chooses to underwrite-if they want a certain good or service, they must pay their fair share in taxes. A person can make quite a powerful statement by simply limiting their purchases. Period.

    And yup, one of the unintended, if you will, consequences of my flat/consumption tax would be to nudge illegals to consider going home. In light of the fact that it would be very difficult to marshall the resources needed to remove some 12 to 20 million illegals in the country, measures like this could thin the herd through self selection.

    Anyway, just wanted to extend and revise my remarks.

    O

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  504. on July 20, 2009 at 9:11 am mandy been here a while

    Gunny

    There is the eternal damnation we have come to expect but doesn’t fit with total deprevity does it?

    Total depravity means that no one deserves to go to heaven. Salvation has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of the person, it is strictly the will of God and 100% His business. he could have just sent everyone to Hell,or not created man at all, or not given us eternal souls.

    The 5 points of Calvinism are called the Tulip doctrines:
    T – Total Depravity
    U – Unconditional Election
    L – Limited Atonement
    I – Irresistible Grace
    P – Perseverance of the Saints

    Not sure if easy if the right word, for some reason people usually get really angry when I explain what I believe, go figure 🙂

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  505. on July 20, 2009 at 9:13 am mandy been here a while

    O

    The flat/consumption tax idea of mine is fully in line with the aforementioned ideas, because a person has a direct hand in that which he/she chooses to underwrite-if they want a certain good or service, they must pay their fair share in taxes. A person can make quite a powerful statement by simply limiting their purchases. Period.

    This is reasonable and fair so it will never happen in this screwed up mess of entitlement we’ve created in this country. 😦

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  506. Obsidian lebensraumed:

    …consequences of my flat/consumption tax would be to nudge illegals to consider going home.

    A white prez could never deport them – it would be labeled as “too racist.”

    After The Blacks completely take over society, culture and government, how fast will this be “nudging” be implemented.

    As a taxpayer I want fast action – a timetable.

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  507. on July 20, 2009 at 11:47 am mandy been here a while

    novaseeker

    It’s why from my own perspective, we need a coalition between libertarians and conservatives — both to restrain the excesses of the other, while collaborating to combat the far worse excesses of the socialist left (and yes, the left is always socialist at heart, regardless of what more palpable words they use to describe themselves

    I agree. The GOP leadership apparently disagrees and just slides to the left with a few token issues like abortion so that voters can tell the difference between them and the Dems.

    They support left leaning candidates for re-election just to have the numbers. But it generally doesn’t pan out as these candidates throw their weight behind various pork and perversion again and again while they ignore and marginalize Ron Paul.

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  508. mandy–

    I’m Calvinist so I agree

    Waa?

    Whooo?

    A Cuban American girl grew up in the Miami area, moving to Jersey, is Calvinist?

    Waa?

    Whooo?

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  509. on July 20, 2009 at 12:35 pm mandy been here a while

    doug

    You know there are 2 mandy’s right? I’m the not 17, not Cuban one. She uses Uppercase M and some other characters.

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  510. Mandy

    Clearly the Nazis were well beyond the scope of justice but other anti-Semitic feelings in Europe didn’t arise out of nothing.

    This I think is where the new left, cultural Marxist maxim, “don’t blame the victim” really originally comes from. To shield against such thinking.

    To make it utterly taboo.

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  511. “You know there are 2 mandy’s right?”

    This is confusing. One of you should change your handle.

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  512. on July 20, 2009 at 1:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol lapin she already changed it many been here a while is good I think doug was just negging he he he

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  513. mandy been here a while

    doug

    You know there are 2 mandy’s right? I’m the not 17, not Cuban one.

    you mean you’re the old one

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  514. on July 20, 2009 at 1:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea she is the legal age one he he he

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  515. on July 20, 2009 at 1:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    I don’t think she gets enough attention she would prob make a good housewife anyway. Soft and cuddly not abrasive.

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  516. on July 20, 2009 at 1:55 pm mandy been here a while

    you mean you’re the old one

    Excellent neg FP!

    Yep, the old one te he

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  517. why thank you mandy milf.

    i could learn to love the hell out of you

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  518. mandy been here

    You know there are 2 mandy’s right?

    Well I do now.

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  519. SmartyJones

    SmartyJones

    @ doug 1
    “that a man be required to pay for 20 years or so of child support=alimony for a slut’s one night or short daliance child.”

    And the alternative is that society and taxpayers should pay. Sorry, clean up after your own mess, we’re not your mommy.

    No that’s one alternative. It’s up to society whether it wants to pay welfare for indigent sluts having bastard children. Doing so creates more of them, esp. if welfare and all the med care and housing that comes with is made more attractive. Myself I’m for extensively shaming mateless sluts who can’t or can’t be bothered to attract a man to voluntarily give them child support, in return for loyal fucking and other services, which is where the true natural law lies.

    I’ve already said above that if and for so long as a bastard producing slut qualifies for welfare, I’d agree that the bio dad could be held responsible for reimbursing the state for that amount but no more. This is a compromise. I don’t really think it’s right but, well compromises can be useful.

    I’d like these poor shiftless no account sluts to be very discouraged from reproducing, certainly while they persist in that state. Such would help stave off the dysgenics of the poor reproducing more than the richer and smarter and more self controlled. You know, by they and their brood surviving less, to in turn reproduce.

    Hey how about as a condition of getting any welfare, they agree to permanent sterilization? Certainly more humane than letting them starve, and doesn’t effect the little tyke.

    How about bastard producing sluts who can’t or won’t voluntarily entice a man, bio dad or another one, into volunarily providing child support by their volunarily providing regular and good sex and other wifely services in return, as per the natural order of things. instead have to whore themselves out to men in general? With this and all whoring made legal but lightly regulated. Thereby fucking for their child support, giving something in return, in another way? This together with widespread legalization would tend to lower the cost and overall, as it works it’s way up the scale, improve the quality of hooker sex for betas. Good thing.

    So there you have it. Instead of current welfare there’s the alternative of 1) welfare with current rules plus agreeing to have your female tubes tied as a service to humanity, lowering dysgenics, or 2) if of the more decent looking type of welfare supplicant, going off and whoring for their child support? If she can’t afford it herself that is of course, or she can’t trade loyal sex and other companonate services for child support from a willing male provider.

    There’s your real natural law “Smarty”Jones.

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  520. mandy–

    Total depravity means that no one deserves to go to heaven. Salvation has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of the person, it is strictly the will of God and 100% His business. he could have just sent everyone to Hell,or not created man at all, or not given us eternal souls.

    The weird thing about Calvanists is you’d think they’d just say “f*ck it”. Might as well just have a good time, live for today without restraint, what’s the point of trying to be “good” in any way, HE’s got it all figured out ahead of time anyway. I’m either in or out and nothing I can do will change that, so the hell with trying.

    Instead what you get is people who try to live the straight and narrow more than anyone, or certainly way up there. Often including demonstrating their godliness by high capitalist (and maybe educational) success. That’s sure been the history of capitalism. Calvanists or similar and Jews at the forefront of capital accumulation. I think one Max Weber said some, though a bit over broad including too many Protestants, about that.

    I guess it’s an even more cleaver way of motivating people . Having to demonstrate that you ARE in fact one of the elect.

    Not that it was all ulterior motives on the part of John Calvin and other early leaders. Maybe that’s more in the nature of a cultural mutation, that’s survived as well as it has partly for these “cleaver as it turned out” reasons.

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  521. uh. That was to Mandy been here. Calvinist Mandy.

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  522. on July 20, 2009 at 3:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think it is time for mandy to show a pic though I mean it has been a while. We should get to see the goods.

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  523. dana:

    if you read the link under my line about reaching ultimate fruition and being defeated, i’m saying nazism and fascism were the final fruit of early 20th century progressivism and after their defeat in ww2 there was a shift of definitions and realignment of ethnic advocates in the US

    I skimmed through that article, and it seems well-informed, but highly disorganized and incoherent. The author tries to prove his point with an endless stream of partial and superficial parallels, and some of the connections he points out are tendentious or even outright misleading. Even if his ultimate conclusions are correct, he would need a much better argument to actually prove them; with such a lax and incoherent methodology you can argue almost anything.

    That said, there are authors who offered some excellent arguments about the leftist roots of fascism and Nazism, most notably the late Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. (I can’t recommend his Leftism Revisited high enough; for a brief primer on his thought, try his essay Monarchy and War.)

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  524. doug1 So there you have it. Instead of current welfare there’s the alternative of 1) welfare with current rules plus agreeing to have your female tubes tied as a service to humanity, lowering dysgenics, or 2) if of the more decent looking type of welfare supplicant, going off and whoring for their child support? If she can’t afford it herself that is of course, or she can’t trade loyal sex and other companonate services for child support from a willing male provider

    *snatches jin and tonic from doug1*

    that’s enough for you young man.

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  525. on July 20, 2009 at 3:50 pm mandy been here a while

    “I’m either in or out and nothing I can do will change that, so the hell with trying.”

    I’ve always been taught that if you are His elect, then you will want to follow His commandments and it will be hard(painful) for you to do otherwise as he will chasten you when you stray from the straight and narrow. I think the idea is keep you head down and hands busy to stay out of trouble.

    As to John Calvin’s motives, well he was really good at articulate points that many other people had believed for centuries before he came along. He may have had desire for worldly power or influence or he may have been sincere. His take on infant baptism was strangely out of sync with everyone I know who considers themselves ‘Calvinist’ myself included.

    If he hadn’t articulated the 5 points so well, we’d all believe the same thing but call ourselves something else I imagine.

    There are striking parallels to the Jews view of themselves as God’s chosen people and this is probably why the two groups rarely get along yet behave in similar manners. “We’re the chose people!” “No, We are!”

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  526. “The weird thing about Calvanists is you’d think they’d just say “f*ck it”. Might as well just have a good time, live for today without restraint, what’s the point of trying to be “good” in any way,”

    @doug1 —

    Yeah, the way I view it is that if you are *not* a member of the elect, you may as well Mardi Gras 24/7, because you’re damned from the start anyway, and nothing you do will ever change that. And if you are a member of the elect, and you are willing to be chastened, why not party on, dude, because after all nothing bad you do can ever damn you — your salvation is assured.

    Then again, I’m not a Calvinist.

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  527. doug1:

    Clearly the Nazis were well beyond the scope of justice but other anti-Semitic feelings in Europe didn’t arise out of nothing.

    This I think is where the new left, cultural Marxist maxim, “don’t blame the victim” really originally comes from. To shield against such thinking. To make it utterly taboo.

    You’re seeing way too much deliberate Machiavellianism in the world. If you think about what would actually be necessary to bring about such a magnificent intellectual conspiracy, it should be obvious that it’s totally implausible. The way predominant and fashionable ideas evolve is much more complicated, and their true roots are more often than not entirely non-obvious and surprising both for those who espouse and those who oppose them.

    The evolution of the modern leftist victim/oppressor meta-narrative is a far too complex question to be dealt with in a few blog comments. However, regardless of which groups are the most prominent in manipulating this narrative to further their goals, it’s certainly naive not to seek a significant part of its roots in the same Anglo-Protestant morass that begot progressivism in the first place. (And in fact, I’d say that Jewish groups aren’t anywhere near the top of the list of the most successful manipulators in this regard; the enemies of Israel derive infinitely more benefits from victim politics in practice.)

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  528. on July 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm SmartyJones

    @ doug1

    “So there you have it. Instead of current welfare there’s the alternative of 1) welfare with current rules plus agreeing to have your female tubes tied as a service to humanity, lowering dysgenics, or 2) if of the more decent looking type of welfare supplicant, going off and whoring for their child support? If she can’t afford it herself that is of course, or she can’t trade loyal sex and other companonate services for child support from a willing male provider.

    There’s your real natural law “Smarty”Jones.”

    Why does a point about individual (man) responsibility become a bitch fest about women and what they do.

    Natural law is determined by your behavior. You spend all your time refuting nothing by complaining about women, their double standards and how the playing field is in their favor.

    Which begs the question. Entirely.

    We all know about that. And it’s not a counter to natural law whatsoever.

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  529. Ooh so much ado about a little Mystery 🙂

    I for one am glad the guy is entering another phase of his life. I met him last Dec, and he goes… “I’m a 37 year old man … can you believe it?” I said “you hide it well :)”

    I mean you can see in his eyes … he just needs love. He goes out and games women but lately he’s been all about loving the universe and letting it provide, etc. A daughter is a great gift.

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  530. Here are some pick up artist secrets by Mystery http://www.pickupartistvideos.com/Mystery

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  531. […] iPhone from Erik von Markovic (the pickup artist who goes by the pseudonym Mystery) in response to this post I wrote. I can’t vouch for the authenticity of the email, but the writing style and splendid […]

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  532. Amazing change Mystery and i think its good for you :]

    PEACE

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  533. Great did not know Mystery has a daughter. My greetings.

    A wing of mine has six children. Any time he says that to women they want to do him.

    He has hard time getting them off his back, too.

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  534. It is unfortunate that a guy who innovated so much could be so conventional when it comes to replicating himself, right down to the cheeseball middle-class wannabe upper-middle-class name.

    Something tells me the kid wasn’t his idea. But it does go to show that when a guy starts hanging around 9s and 10s he better watch himself. Even the biggest alphas tend to fall in love with extremely beautiful women.

    I think you can change your outward surface from beta to alpha very quickly, but the bigger your beta core, the longer it takes to change. It’s like heating a frozen Hungry Man–if you take it out of the oven too soon, the exterior is nice and hot but the inside is still frozen.

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  535. The song will result in him notching many bitches

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