Jealousy

Damian and I were out with a mixed group. One of the girls got very drunk on martinis (fast action truth serum) and pulled Damian aside for what I thought was the beginning of making beautiful music together. Later that night, Damian announced he was going home alone, and the rest of us were left with the job of escorting the drunk girl back to her urban single woman’s hovel, distinguished as they all are by mass quantities of pillows, toiletries, and shoes. Along the way, she mumbled “I just want to get laid before leaving town. How hard is it for a girl to get laid in this town?! By the way, what’s wrong with Damian?”

I though maybe Damian’s same night lay attempt had gone awry, that perhaps his game had gotten rusty, but no that wasn’t it. This girl was primed for his pistola, all he needed to do was say “I’ll take you home” and victory was his, and yet he beat a hasty retreat. She wasn’t bad looking, she had a nice ass, and she was leaving town for good in a couple of weeks. Christ, it’s like handing the pussy over on a platter, and garnishing it with an industrial-sized bottle of KY.

The next morning, I called Damian for an explanation as to why he violated the foremost single man’s honor-bound duty —

Never look a gift pussy in the labia.

— and he gave me his reason.

ME: What were you thinking? That was yours for the taking.

DAMIAN: First of all, I wasn’t attracted to her.

ME: Dude, she wasn’t bad looking. Definitely within your historical sphere of acceptability. She had a nice ass.

DAMIAN: I’m dating two other women, I’ve got nothing to prove. Plus, she was drunk, yapping like a chihuahua, and saying weird annoying shit.

ME: Like what?

DAMIAN: She found out through your girl that I’m going on a date with that Chinese girl XXXX. Then she started freaking out. [Imitating whiny nasally Jewish woman voice] “Whyyy? Why are you going out with an Asian girl? Is it because Asian girls are submissive? Do you want a submissive woman?”

ME: Wow. Awkward.

DAMIAN: Yeah, it was a turn-off. She kept it up for a while. Demanding explanations why I was interested in an Asian girl. I just wanted to get away.

ME: Her inner demons came streaming out. Must’ve been the martinis. Still, you could’ve just put cotton in your ears and gotten the bang. There’s a larger principle at stake.

DAMIAN: There’s a larger principle all right — getting a good, quiet night’s sleep!

***

Yet another amusing, and cringingly awful, DC dating escapade. The great thing about multiple martinis is that it’s one of the few elixirs that is capable of aligning a girl’s actual thoughts with the words coming out of her mouth. Never listen to what a girl says… unless she’s sucking down her ninth dirty olive.

It’s now my belief that most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women. They see the Asian girl, like they see foreign women fresh off the boat, as competitors for the white men they have come to expect will bow and scrape before their precious white American vaginas. This jealousy contrasts sharply with the indifference they feel towards black and latino women taking their white men. The Asian woman occupies a special place in the mind of white women — with her neotenous features, softer skin, natural slenderness, and purported submissiveness the Asian girl comes armed with a fully operational arsenal of femininity that can bust through the deepest white woman’s bunker. And while most Asian girls who cross the racial Rubicon wind up with big galoot white herbs (see: Hope) or squishy pudding pop betas who look like Conor Friedersdorf, the impact on the white woman’s psyche is nearly the same as if the Asian women were taking all the alpha white men; namely, they sense their bargaining power in the sexual market is being undercut by a worthy foe.

Speculative stroll: The martini girl in this story was Jewish. Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them? You be the judge.





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  1. Speculative stroll: The martini girl in this story was Jewish. Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them? You be the judge.

    Probably.

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  2. Eh, I think this was more the whinings of a drunk JAP than anything else.

    If the asian girl had been 1.)preppy southern 2.)tall 3.)blonde 4.) not blonde 5.)smart 6.) stupid etc, etc, the drunk girl would have still whined about it.

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  3. Lessons to learn:

    1. Alcohol cuts both ways. Always monitor a girls intake.

    2. If a girl is spitting annoying conversation, just get up and walk away. Number crunch for a while. Let some other guy listen to it and then move back in later for the swoop. That’s what Zeets should have done.

    3. “most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women”. I have noticed that also. If you roll with a fly Asian girl, white girls always check you out.

    Use it to your advantage.

    – MPM

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  4. I have a strong Jew-dar, but it didn´t give any signal this time

    The girl was subpar. it is not a mater of Jewishness, but of subparness. And if Zeets is banging 2 other girls hotter than this one, there is absolutely no point in bringing subpar drama queens to your bed

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  5. Yeah it’s an odd deal. I was having this convesation with a girl I am friends with the other day. She is all about fucking this guy she met on vacation. Chick is totally wraped up in him and he seems moot to say the least. So she is asking me why he doesn’t want to fuck her? And I just tell her, “Despite the fact that you are hot, you aren’t forcing him to earn the pussy.” She replies “what do you mean?” I said “There is no truer principal then the fact a man must feel like he earned the pussy. If you are letting him bend you over the first night and drink from your panties he doesn’t feel like he earned it. It’s like hunting in a caged arena. How much fun is it to shot a helpless animal? Part of the fun of hunting is that there is a chance the deer might run away. So when you are will to hop on a plane and fly down there and fuck him on a whim, he doesn’t get the enjoyment on obtaining you. That is very very important to a guy.”

    My friend use to tell me “show me a guy with hot girlfriend and I’ll show you a guy who is tired of fucking her.”

    That’s what really went on right here. This chick was yappign his ear off – it was obvious that he could have slid it in her – and he decided that he would rather go home and turn on the youporn.com then have to talk to her.

    Envy wasn’t the reason.

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  6. First of all, was this the first time Zeets had met this woman? For the sake of what follows, I’ll assume it was.

    I realize this woman–who thought there was something wrong with Zeets for declining to have sex with her the FIRST NIGHT THEY MET–is leaving town soon, but I just wanted to point out that if she WERE staying in the area on a semi-permanent basis, and if Zeets DID decide to give her another chance, she would undoubtedly suddenly start treating him like some insect she found stuck to the bottom of her shoe.

    If an Amerikan girl decides she has “put herself out there” for you (whatever she defines that to mean) and you do not respond by putting your member “out there” for her to either accept (or summarily reject) you are done, done, D-O-N-E. Forever. No asking her out the next week for drinks and a trip to an art gallery. No, you’ll be lucky if she even will make polite eye contact with you should you cross paths again.

    Gotta love this shitculture.

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  7. most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women

    Someone here once made a great comment that slutty white women are threatened by Asian girls because the Asians swoop the sluts’ “insurance policies” out from under their feet: the stable-job Herbs the sluts hope to fall back on if snagging an alpha doesn’t pan out.

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  8. gig

    “there is absolutely no point in bringing subpar drama queens to your bed”

    Who says you need to bring her to your bed? Its summertime, in DC, bang her out in a park a few blocks away.

    Then roll back to the bar and swoop more girls.

    Ari Hinkelberger

    “How much fun is it to shot a helpless animal?”

    Super fun.

    – MPM

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  9. I don’t know about the jealously, but casting pearls before swine is all I can think about Zeets and the girl. But that is how it usually goes. Girls don’t want the guys who would appreciate them.

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  10. I think single white women of a certain age get jealous of any non-white woman who has taken a good man off the market. When some women learn that my old lady is from South America, they roll their eyes and get prickly, saying something like, “oh, I guess I can’t compete with that.” I think she gets the same treatment from her bitchy, man-hunting colleagues, as if her femininity and happy relationship were the cause of their troubles.

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  11. A whining/bitchy/babbling drunk girl has a way of de-erectiling the most eager of men. Not so for a giggling drunk girl, of course.

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  12. G

    remember that Zeets was already banging two other girls and, by what Roissy wrote, the martini-drama grrl was below those two

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  13. banging girls is not like money, where more is unambiguously better than less. Fucking a girl may, for example, jeopardyze your chances with her friends.

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  14. I hear Jewish girls give the best blow jobs.

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  15. I lurv AZN women

    For the same price
    as one JAP, you can get
    dam near nine of them

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  16. I’m going to shamelessy self promote.

    If any of you have been following Larry Auster’s site you will know that he has been asserting that traditionalists (AKA the true social conservatives) had it right about female sexuality all along, and that they have nothing new to learn from “deceivers” like Roissy. (Contain your laughter I know.)

    Anyway, I have a new post up about exactly how and why social conservatives got it wrong about female sexuality.

    The debates about game over at In Mala Fide and Novaseeker’s blog have been pretty great too.

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  17. I don’t pay attention to what drunk girls say. For that matter I don’t pay attention to what sober girls say.

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  18. “Speculative stroll: The martini girl in this story was Jewish. Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them? You be the judge.”

    As a Jewish guy who’s dated many Jewish girls (both JAP and non-JAP) and Asian girls, I can tell you it’s not so much that Asian women possess intellect and educational attainment, but that personality wise they’re often the exact opposite of Jewish women. Jewish women are often extremely domineering, loud, pushy, aggressive, constantly testing you (shit-test or otherwise), etc. That is, they’re decidedly unfeminine, and for that matter many of them come prepackaged with a faint mustache.

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  19. on August 24, 2009 at 2:46 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “For the same price as one JAP, you can get dam near nine of them”

    The JAP of all people should know a bargain when she sees one.

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  20. The martini girl in this story was Jewish. Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them?

    This is highly dependent upon the weight she places on dating a Jewish man due to cultural pressure. For many ashkenazi jews in NYC, this is a serious issue and there is a very limited supply of eligible Jewish bachelors that meet a JAPs exceedingly high standards. I wouldn’t be surprised if JAPs make up the largest pool of single white women in NYC. There are matchmaking services devoted to this demographic with demand for men with 7 figure incomes being so high that these women pay thousands of dollars just to be part of the services.

    Inturn, I know many Jewish men that won’t even entertain the idea of dating a Jewish girl. Instead these men almost unamimously prefer dating Asian women limiting a JAPs prospects even further. Its likely that the psychology of limited bachelor supply spills over to any man in their view that is desireable.

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  21. “urban single woman’s hovel, distinguished as they all are by mass quantities of pillows, toiletries, and shoes.”

    500 square feet of fun! Don’t forget the ubiquitous pet(s) crammed into the mix. Which is worse, a german shepherd wedged into a too small apartment or loud, squeaky squawky birds.

    Good observation…anyway, good observation. The whole submissive complaint should be embraced, agree and amplify.

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  22. The best thing he could have done was gone home with her, banged, then left right afterwords. I’ve seen it happen. It’s hilarious.

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  23. There was probably some hindbrain racial jealousy at work, but there are plenty of stupid women out there who have no idea how to carry on a decent conversation. What makes them worse is they get loads of desperate Beta Male attention just because of they have female reproductive organs, and this makes her expect to have every man on the edge of their seat for every word that comes out of her mouth.

    Of course when you turn a cold shoulder to her babbling nonsense this only makes her hotter for you. But nothing makes my dick limp faster than belligerent stupidity.

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  24. Dr. Grzlickson

    “For the same price as one JAP, you can get dam near nine of them”

    The JAP of all people should know a bargain when she sees one.

    hmm. I’m beginning to like you again.

    imho, JAPs and Japs are Beta traps. Both are HI MAINT.

    AZNs always like to be distracted by being bought shiny trinkets. I guess, a byproduct of the prevalence of sex-tourism in all their countries. No other slice judges you more seriously on “wha kind cah you dLive big boy?”

    Asian chix are like, pussy potlatches.

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  25. @ Ludwig:
    “If an Amerikan girl decides she has “put herself out there” for you (whatever she defines that to mean) and you do not respond by putting your member “out there” for her to either accept (or summarily reject) you are done, done, D-O-N-E. Forever. No asking her out the next week for drinks and a trip to an art gallery. No, you’ll be lucky if she even will make polite eye contact with you should you cross paths again.”

    I actually think this one of the few last remenants of SHAME left in America. Girls who throw themselves at guys drunk are somewhat ashamed of it later on.

    That doesn’t mean they aren’t still interested…usually their interest level will have been raised by the rejection. Next time this happens, try fucking her the next time you see her. She will be shy at first, but itll work.

    And as for “trips to art galleries” go…DUDE, grow a sack!

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  26. I have found Jewish girls to be more than a little slutty.

    Related, are the tiny Asian vaginas. Maybe Zeets doesn’t like havin’ too much room to let his dog run around.

    Let’s also not forget the stereotype of the Jewish Mother. God knows, no man wants to end up with a woman like that.

    I bet anyone here that Asian women are worse at discriminating between hot/not hot or alpha/beta white males. The same way we think they all look the same, they can’t tell the difference between a 9 and a 6. Or a lesser Alpha and a manlier Beta.

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  27. gig,

    I got you.

    I think its a good rule of thumb to swoop every fly girl you can.

    Every time in my life that I didn’t, when I could have, I have regretted it.

    – MPM

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  28. Wasn’t she complaining about not being able to get laid? Maybe complaining about other women was just one of many things that made her annoying – her personality just sucked so bad no one wanted to do her.

    ps. A lot of roissy’s attitude seems to be along the lines of nihilism (or something similar) – but choosing to interpret/conclude that ‘nothing after death’ gives one free reign to think badly of others, use them, etc – absolving one of any responsibility for their actions. Maybe I’m wrong – there is some value in some of what’s written here (I spent a few hours going through most of the blog posts). I’ve been a hard core beta most of my life in actions/attitude [raised by a strong independent woman] but I have some alpha qualities (Olympic swimmer, graduated with highest average in my Faculty, etc). I’d like to do better with women (haven’t had much trouble being in relationships most of my life – just would like a better quality chick) – but it’s difficult for me to treat people along the lines of some of the more asshole things proposed here. Any suggestions? (I’ve read The Game and The Mystery Method, btw – along with a few seduction websites.)

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  29. “It’s now my belief that most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women. … The martini girl in this story was Jewish.”

    Good post except for the erroneous statement that Jews are White. Jews are not White – they are more Semitic/Arabish/Levantine than White, even though quite a few Jews these days do have some amount of White admixture through recent intermarriage.

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  30. on August 24, 2009 at 3:04 pm Almost a Doctor

    “…that most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women…”.

    And I, being Filipina, harbor some jealousy for the tall, blond, blue-eyed women out there! I always feel “not so pretty” standing next to them, as kid, and in college.

    Only now as I matured some, that I’m appreciating my “exotic looks”.

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  31. When you/we say Asian, we’re largely talking East Asian, i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean. Does this also apply to South Asians, i.e. Indian girls?

    Also, does the generation matter? Is a FOB or 1st generation Asian different from a 3rd generation Asian?

    The best feature is their greatly reduced tendency to get fat.

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  32. @G-Manifesto
    Its summertime, in DC, bang her out in a park a few blocks away.

    I like that. Regular guys can swoop a girl in the park, no problem. But only international-class playboys swoop in the park with their custom suits on.

    And keep them unscuffed and clean.

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  33. I can vouch that The Rookie has LITERALLY seen it happen. lol

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  34. A drunk girl who throws herself at you is not unlike a piece of furniture sitting on somebody’s front lawn with a hastily-scrawled sign that says “FREE”: her value is questionable.

    For a man who is being sexually satisfied and is cultivating a nouveau-harem, her appeal is going to be much less motivating. Plus, there’s a game of diminishing returns here: the more partners a man has, the less of a raw achievement each subsequent conquest is.

    If you’ve only ever slept with two girls, that third one will be a landmark event. Once you’ve slept with dozens, the latest one is often just padding the résumé, so to speak. The real conquest comes in going for the more elusive prey: much hotter women.

    That said, an easy bang is an easy bang. During the inevitable dry spell, you may regretfully recall how, when they were throwing the pussy at you, you said no thanks.

    One last note: Asian girls ARE a threat to white women because not only are they very feminine, they also specifically provoke a man’s desire for novelty and variety in his partners. Your average-cute brunette white girl has trouble competing against that.

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  35. Jews also tend to be very ugly – if the Jewish girl mentioned here was halfway cute, she was probably only partially ethnically Jewish (i.e., not full Jewish ancestry).

    Some Jewish females can be cute in their late-teens through early-twenties, but once a Jewish chick hits about 25 her looks start going downhill VERY fast. Jews are also one of the least physically fit ethnic groups, and they tend strongly toward fatness/obesity (at worst) and flabbiness (at best).

    Also, Jewish women tend to be very boring. And Jews are disproportionately mentally ill/neurotic, both the females as well as males. Overall, I encourage people to avoid getting too involved with Jews – they are much more trouble than they are worth.

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  36. el chief

    I bet anyone here that Asian women are worse at discriminating between hot/not hot or alpha/beta white males. The same way we think they all look the same, they can’t tell the difference between a 9 and a 6. Or a lesser Alpha and a manlier Beta

    Damn straight.

    When it’s time to settle, you see most asians with older sugardaddies so “Alphaness” is measured more by financial success than a 6 pack or dick size.

    somebody also speculated (wildly) that they are fat proof.

    bollocks: plenty of chunks in socal lapping it up at Del Taco

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  37. i don’t know, i don’t hear much talk from my female friends, girlfriends, or current one about Asian chicks. i have made comment about not being attracted to Asian women and thinking them too entitled only to have the females party to the conversation tell me i’m crazy. but that’s a small sample size.

    but, women are so PC that they rarely make observations like “That Asian…” or “that black…”, they reserve their vitriol for the individual rather than the race. if you aggregate the incidents of dislike, though, i wouldn’t be surprised if they disliked women who happened to be Asian at a higher percentage.

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  38. There’s only one thing worse than dating/marrying a jewish girl and that’s the jewish mother.

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  39. PA

    “I like that. Regular guys can swoop a girl in the park, no problem. But only international-class playboys swoop in the park with their custom suits on.

    And keep them unscuffed and clean.”

    Ha. I can’t begin to tell you how many suits I have messed up.

    Its really an art:

    Standing up is best.

    Summertime in DC, with the heat and humidity, you can get away with some fine linens.

    And always have a good dry cleaner on your payroll.

    – MPM

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  40. Jim

    There’s only one thing worse than dating/marrying a jewish girl and that’s the jewish mother.

    You’re really not supposed to date the Jewish Mother. Just throw her a quick fuck when she’s making Latkes, then forget her.

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  41. sounds like she was jealous in general. some girls like to believe they’re the only one, even if it’s for a 1 night stand. and the friend didn’t have the time nor the willpower to give her the coaxing and appreciation she needed.

    it’s sort of paradoxical that she has low enough expectations for one time hook up, but high enough to expect to be the only girl in the mix… maybe she didn’t really want a 1 night thing, but was subconsciously seeking something deeper?

    i’m almost certain this girl would’ve found something to concentrate and harp on about one of the other girls in rotation.

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  42. It should also be obvious that White men who are marrying and breeding with Asian females are hastening the decline of White-Western culture.

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  43. Nuub,

    ‘I’d like to do better with women (haven’t had much trouble being in relationships most of my life – just would like a better quality chick) – but it’s difficult for me to treat people along the lines of some of the more asshole things proposed here”

    You need to completely recondition your beta thinking.

    Be like Mike:

    I believe there is no greater act I can do for a woman than to swoop her.

    – MPM

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  44. on August 24, 2009 at 3:23 pm Seeking Alpha

    VERITAS

    You forgot about their shape-shifting properties and the dreaded Jew claw.

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  45. …the rest of us were left with the job of escorting the drunk girl back to her urban single woman’s hovel…This girl was primed for his pistola…She wasn’t bad looking, she had a nice ass, and she was leaving town for good in a couple of weeks.

    It’s so disappointing KassyK marred her DC comeback with this failed act of drunken desperation.

    get well soon sugarbooger!

    finefantastic – now she would’ve gnawed her way into heart and/or bedroom

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  46. “You forgot about their shape-shifting properties and the dreaded Jew claw.”

    Hey Seeking Alpha and others…here’s some very funny and un-PC cartoons about Jews you ought to browse if you’ve got extra time on your hands – http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/KIKES/page_0001.html

    FUNNY, FUNNY, FUNNY STUFF

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  47. Veritas’ Jew-baiting makes me laugh. The local Randroid , SA always comes out of the woodwork to his usual “lol nazi i make ironic stereotypes to make u look dumb” when anyone says anything less their flattering to the chosen people.

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  48. Dreamer —

    The paradox of her wanting the quickie hook up while also expressing exasperated jealousy is solved by considering that she obviously wasn’t getting the kinetic amplification from Roissy’s friend that a girl would expect from a man who intends to fuck her. In her tiny mind, this was because he’s got other priorities — other pussy.

    Since she had already walked out on a limb by admitting that she’s — at least for tonight, for him — an easy trollop, the failure to actually seal the deal with what she assumed would be a compliant poonhound looking for an easy hook up results in massive ego blow, and frantic search for meaning.

    I’m guessing that Zeets felt mildly amused at first by this and then grew progressively annoyed, realizing that if indeed he did take this chick home and banged her silly that she’d have some ridiculous drama to unleash on him either during or immediately after. Also, extremely hung over chicks are incredibly cranky and whiny.

    Dissing sluts is the better part of valor.

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  49. on August 24, 2009 at 3:41 pm Seeking Alpha

    Somehow Cheeses, I don’t think portrait Veritas as a poor, innocent guy, saying mildly unflattering things will hold up after his cartoon gallery.

    And by the way

    That’s not really a cartoon. Where’s the joke?

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  50. Hey Roissy,

    Larry Auster has just compared you to Christ and St. Paul and said your writings are holy writ. See here.

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  51. patrick, In her defense, she looks ok. She must’ve had a huge zit or some kind of feminine itching – then instinctively hit the Mogen David.

    She’s certainly no trollop

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  52. on August 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm Seeking Alpha

    Speculative stroll: The martini girl in this story was Jewish. Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them? You be the judge.

    Makes sense. I think if a less intelligent girl is submissive, they might be able to assuage their egos by saying she’s a bimbo or doesn’t know better. But when an intelligent or educated woman chooses to be submissive, and men like it, it undermines their self-perception.

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  53. on August 24, 2009 at 3:48 pm Seeking Alpha

    Hah! This one is pretty damn funny though…

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  54. on August 24, 2009 at 3:49 pm Michael wears a hat

    Seeking Alpha: fyi, thats a cartoon gallery, not a joke gallery. Cartoons are usually funny, but by no means always.

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  55. i am a jew and a “randroid” and i don’t respond to jew baiting

    who cares if people hate jews?

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  56. on August 24, 2009 at 3:54 pm Seeking Alpha

    Cartoons are usually funny, but by no means always.

    Interesting. So what’s funny? I guess as a standalone cartoon, the physical caricatures are funny, but in such a big gallery, it loses its humor. The parenthetical explanation of the t-shirt is kind of funny, but more because it shows how hard the cartoonist tried to bring it all together.

    I think that must be the white power cartoonist that gets picked on by all the other ones for not being very talented. The Andy Bernard of The (White) Office?

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  57. firepower: probably.

    i’d like to hear about Zeets and the deutsche fraulein again

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  58. on August 24, 2009 at 3:55 pm Seeking Alpha

    who cares if people hate jews?

    Not me. But they’re fun to go back and forth with. I would’ve never gotten that gallery if I hadn’t. Well worth it.

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  59. Whoever brought up the point about Jewish male anxiety about the Jewish yenta mother is right on the money. Nothing causes limpdick faster than the prospect of the over-maintenanced Lizzie Grubman-type morphing into a veritable Gretl of the Yiddish Shtetl, with nipples as long as your index finger.

    JAPs can’t stand Asiatics because many of them indeed swim in their pool (affluent, well-credentialed Jewish men).

    Most Asiatics end up with herbs or betas (aka, secretly closeted men for whom the Azn is the last mercy stop on the way to Gaylordsville) for 1 of 2 reasons.

    1. They are often dominating, hyper-aggressive, I-carry-my-balls-in-an-oversized-purse type who realize that only betas and herbs will kowtow to their stellar academic/professional credentials. Often the Asiatic brings with her massive daddy/brother issues.

    2. Most decent Asian men won’t give them the time of day. Look closely at the Asian fem/white male couples. A lot of 3s and 4s (by Asian standards)…point in case are the recently released reporters from North Korea. Clearly the Dear Leader found them lacking in the hotness category. One of them had some major plastic surgery (Euna Lee, I think her name was) but still didn’t help.

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  60. Dana,

    Are you a therapist in real life?

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  61. on August 24, 2009 at 4:00 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Martinis are like t!ts. One’s not enough, and three is too many.

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  62. If a girl is drunk in your company, she wants to fuck you but doesn’t know how to initiate it.

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  63. I like Roissy’s last point.

    Jew broads have naturally curvier bodies than most asians. that works well for tit men, but poor if you’re a leg man or tight ass man (guilty). So Jew broads can’t compete, because they just get fatter, and can’t become the thinny mini asian chicks. Plus, they’re whiny pushy bitches, which an Asian chick is not—two strikes.

    As a bonus, the Asian girls can deliver a knock out blow to a fat Jew broad by getting fake tits, thereby taking away a Jew broads last natural advantage—bigger breasts. A big breasted, thin, submissive, smiling slender asian chick?

    Strike three, jew broad’s out.

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  64. Sofia,

    What does a self-hating brown woman offer that a professional escort cannot? and you are mentally unstable..

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  65. Lucifer,

    You’re absolutely on the mark. I offer nothing, especially not to a man who sees escorts.

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  66. Would you not agree that jewish culture treats their so called “beta” men better than the so called white christian culture.

    I mean just look at the number of scientists, doctors, thinkers. etc.. Do you think it could ever come from a culture obsessed over so called “alpha” males.

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  67. Sofia

    If a girl is drunk in your company, she wants to fuck you but doesn’t know how to initiate it.

    you seem to know a lot about these activities. but, I advise, you just put your hand (preferably both) on his lap and coo about your love of all things Three Stooges.

    bingo – instant cure for alcoholism

    mout

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  68. Sofia,

    You cannot physically offer anything more than an adequately compensated escort. Having said that, I use women for my personal amusement.

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  69. @ Madras–

    Madras wrote: “I actually think this one of the few last remenants of SHAME left in America. Girls who throw themselves at guys drunk are somewhat ashamed of it later on.
    That doesn’t mean they aren’t still interested…usually their interest level will have been raised by the rejection. Next time this happens, try fucking her the next time you see her. She will be shy at first, but itll work.
    And as for “trips to art galleries” go…DUDE, grow a sack!”

    DUDE…adjust your sarcasm detectors. You know it’s Pizza Hut and monster truck racing all the way for my girls.

    But seriously, I don’t know where the “art gallery” idea came from, but I’ve seen more than one PUA mention it as a possible cheap date idea you can try on certain girls. I’d be bored out of my mind. MAYBE if there were some good nudes…

    Anyway, you’re taking the glass half-full view on why a girl will not so much as make eye contact with a man who has not banged her on their first meeting if she thought she “put herself out there.” And yeah, if she was drunk, it might be shame that causes her to act weird later.

    But I still maintain that for the majority of girls in our vibrant culture, it’s more along the lines of “What a disgusting beta! I can’t bear to look at him now! What, was he trying to tell me I’m not attractive? Why didn’t he whip it out so *I* could have been the ultimate decision maker? The nerve of him!”

    All for not banging her on first meeting. That’s just the way I interpret it.

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  70. My last girlfriend would get Tourettes Syndrome after three glasses of wine.

    I kid you not.

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  71. sofia,

    no lol, not remotely a therapist

    i lead a contemplative lifestyle, and manage and sell a little real estate on the side for extra cashiola. my undergrad is religion studies with a philosophy minor

    why do you ask?

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  72. In terms of aggressive, masculine behavior, black women are #1, followed by white women and finally Asians. I think it’s largely cultural, because Asian girls born in America after 1980 are pretty close to the white norm.

    I’ve known quite a few white girls here in Seattle who harbor a deep resentment toward Asians. However, as the Asians assimilated (they are pretty well assimilated on the West Coast), the resentment disappeared because their behavior became pretty much indistinguishable from other women and they therefore no longer presented a threat to the white female lifestyle (by giving men more attractive marriage options).

    In fact, one can now find Asian American women feeling the same resentment toward their genetic sisters who are still in Asia.

    I wrote a post on a hilarious article I found, in which Chinese American women were complaining about how they felt fat in China:

    When American Girls go to China

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  73. on August 24, 2009 at 4:20 pm Steve Johnson

    Ovid-

    “I hear Jewish girls give the best blow jobs.”

    Common mistake; it’s actually the pleasure you get from them being unable to talk.

    Eh, they’re actually ok to date, just don’t ever take the shit testing seriously (but that goes for every girl).

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  74. “Martinis are like t!ts. One’s not enough, and three is too many.”

    You mean those 40 something cougars at BM on a friday night wouldn’t really LIKE me without three straight up double shot martinis? When they paw at me it seems so convincing….

    As far as the asian thing goes, I’ve heard it more than once. White chicks know they are outgunned by the superior genes and overall femininity (which they like to term “submissiveness”) of asian women.

    On a side note- I too turned down a freebie with a drunk Jewish chick a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes other things take precedence over sloppy, drunk, “take two hours to make her cum” sex.

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  75. look, women hate anything that reminds them of anything wrong with them–other women, men’s real desires, clothing sizes, the calories in a cold stone creamery milkshake, aging, biology, math, history, evolution, physics, sports etc

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  76. The asian woman hating thing is certainly something *I* have seen in my own life, from more than one white woman’s mouth, including that of my ex-wife.

    She would, invariably, when seeing a white-guy/asian-girl couple remark something along the lines of (whilst rolling her eyes for effect): “What is it about these men who have an Asian fetish? I think they just want submissive doormats! They can’t deal with strong, independent women!” or something rather similar — very similar to what Zeets seems to have heard here. Practically a script.

    The ironic thing is that Asian women are not “submissive” — at least not generally. What they *are*m, however, is on *average* much more effortlessly feminine than white American women, who are still struggling, in many cases, how to be strong, intelligent, independent, empowered, equal and … feminine at some point. Asian women seem to not struggle as much with this, although that does vary by individual (and to a certain extent by generation). It also helps that, again on average and outliers aside, Asian women tend to be more petite than white American women, and petite is attractive to a lot of white American guys.

    I’d note that these comments are almost always heard with respect to *East* Asian women, not South Asian women. I’ve never once heard a white American women utter any statement indicating she was perturbed or threatened by a white-guy/south-asian-girl pairing.

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  77. Dana,

    You just remind me of one of those therapists that prematurely birthes the average person into an uncomfortable realm of self-awareness.

    But, I definitely see the philosophy thing. Undoubtedly some logical positivist school. I’m continental myself 🙂 Hence, the wishy-washyness.

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  78. nova, the south asian thing may or may not be because:

    1. Until this generation, there weren’t a huge number of Indian/south asians in America. Britain, but not here.

    2. South Asians don’t have as much tradition of submission to males that east asian cultures do. In east asia, men are highly promoted over women, something not found in most western traditions. In fact, in some cultures that form the foundation of American society—Irish and Jewish—women are actually promoted over men historically.

    3. Their dark skin makes them less of a threat subconsciously than a fair-skinned asian honey.

    4. Weak cultural religious identificationby East asians v. South Asians. Much of the far east is relatively godless, and those who do worship either 1) remain at monastaries back home or 2) convert strongly to christianity—e.g. most of my college campuses very large religious christian protestant groups were asian-dominated.

    Since religion is a huge component to marrying, an asian girl who is here is either godless or your religion, but submissive. So the godless east asian will convert for you, and the religious asian is probably closer to your ancestor’s worship than any white girl you will meet. So with religion, the east asian girls will integrate much more rapidly in your world.

    In contrast, South Asians have a history of religious conflict, which enforces their religions, Hindu and and Islam, which are foreign to Americans as a whole. This makes them both incompatible if religious and unwilling to convert even if not (lapsed catholics and jews still have many problems intermarrying even today).

    As for me, I’m a poon hound for South Asian girls—German features with very dark skin and straight hair. Drives me wild.

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  79. It depends on the girl and her background. The Chandra Levy’s or Monica Lewinskis are bad bets. Massive father issues, desiring older, powerful Alpha guys, a sort of massive parody of “Rory Gilmore” (entitled spoiled heirres) on the chick show “Gilmore Girls” (every guy should watch a few, to see what fantasies of guys work and don’t on women). These types of girls assimilate to the worst of East Coast SWPL yuppiedom.

    Jewish girls with careers OUTSIDE politics, and media tend to be of a different character. I’ve known some from drop-dead gorgeous statuesque outdoorsy types that look like fashion models (but were accountants) to actresses, singers, and the like. Jewish women have traditionally been considered both beautiful and intelligent, and worth more therefore to a man who values conversation as well as pure sex. There are any number of drop dead beautiful Jewish actresses: Alona Tal, Alyson Hannigan, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Amanda Bynes, Michelle Trachtenberg, Laura Prepon, come to mind. Competitors in this space known for beauty/intelligence AND the same habit of picking “fixer uppers” (i.e. undervalued guys with “potential”) can be quite threatening.

    What is wrong with a Jewish mother in law? You get hopefully a smart, education-valueing part-time caretaker for your kids, and expand your family. THAT is what marriage is supposed to be about. You want Rosa the Illegal Alien Nanny filling their heads with superstitious nonsense, instead of making Jr. practice piano so duh, he can get girls with it?

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  80. This is taken from the blog of a Western white woman living in Korea, discussing the phenomenon of white men dating Korean women:

    I know (not speculating- I know these people and hear them talk) so many guys who date Korean women like it’s a sport. Guys think that Western women may simply be “jealous” that men from their own countries go for Korean women, but in general we simply feel bad for them. I have a great boyfriend. He’s supportive and smart. I’m not jealous of a Korean woman who, usually unkowingly (either because of cultural differences or because they haven’t- and won’t- be dating for long), is dating a complete asshole. Again, this DOES NOT AT ALL MEAN that I think all Western men behave this way. I know plenty amazing guys who I’ve become close with- some of them have great Korean girlfriends or wives, some are single and some are dating other foreigners.

    Envy, or pity?

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  81. Dana, what’s your husband’s background? Is he a WASP? I take it he’s not Jewish or liberal?

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  82. “Alona Tal, Alyson Hannigan, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Amanda Bynes, Michelle Trachtenberg, Laura Prepon”

    –whiskey, I wouldn’t say those girls are drop dead beautiful, just cute.

    Plus acting is pretty self-selecting; only girls at the top of the curve beauty-wise make the cut, unless they play up to the gays a lot (Bette Midler, Liza Minnelli, etc.)

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  83. on August 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Whiskey

    Don’t forget Natalie Portman – Harvard grad and a bombshell.

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  84. Envy, or pity?

    That’s a different kettle of fish. What I have experienced all relates to Asian women in the United States, and the sentiments were certainly not pity.

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  85. Re: South Asian woman phenomenon

    I’m not South Asian, but I’m brown-skinned (as anyone who takes a cursory glance at my blog can tell). I tend to date white men (shut up, Lucifer), since I think most Indian men are confused that I look sort of Indian, but don’t know too much about the culture or language, and that’s a minus in their books.

    I tend to notice there’s nothing like the phenomenon that there is in the black community concerning black men who make assumptions about the black woman dating the white man. I also think white women tend to devalue men who date black women. Just an observation. For some reason, I haven’t experienced the same thing being a brown-skinned girl. If anything, we’re met with a sort of neutrality.

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  86. Plus acting is pretty self-selecting; only girls at the top of the curve beauty-wise make the cut, unless they play up to the gays a lot

    I have to say — that’s the truth. Actresses tend to be cute to gorgeous. Sure, I knew plenty of very attractive Jewish women when I was living in NYC, but there were plenty of attractive Asian women there, too (and attractive white women, and so on).

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  87. Novaseeker,

    True. It’s different when this occurs abroad since American men have a “reputation” there for taking advantage of all the submissive East Asians who elevate them, and are looking for a way out. Korea isn’t a prime example, but places like Thailand, or the Philippines might be.

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  88. That’s true, I think, Sofia. Although I think (South) Korea is more like that than you think: low marriage rates, and a lot of guys retreating into World of Warcraft and so on. There are a lot of Korean women, as far as I can tell, looking for non-Korean men as mates, despite the economic wealth of South Korea. The relationship between Korean men and women does not appear to be that much healthier than it is in the US, really.

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  89. Novaseeker,

    You make a good point. I have a friend in South Korea right now who is a Canadian of Arab-Indian descent, and in spite of not being white, he is doing pretty well with the women over there maybe for the reasons you specified concerning wealth. I always assumed that for East Asians in general it’s very important to stay within the insularity and maintain the homogeneity (sp?) of the culture. There are exceptions when it concerns white men, but definitely not in a sense of familial approval. So, maybe this all just boils down to what Korean men aren’t offering them instead of what the white man/foreigner does.

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  90. Scarlett Johannsen, Natalie Portman, Emmanuelle Chiqri (aka Sloane from Entourage), Winona Ryder, Jennifer Connelly…all beautiful Jewish women…even if a few are half/half.

    Is Alyson Hanigan Jewish? I had never heard that before. Interesting. I didn’t know Laura Prepon was either.

    Its good to know anti-semitism is still alive and kicking though…I was concerned I wasn’t being hated enough for the double threat of being Israeli and Jewish by birth.

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  91. on August 24, 2009 at 5:02 pm Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

    You know how to get a Jewish girl to stop screwing? Marry her.

    What’s the definition of a nymphomaniac? A JAP who will screw her husband right after she’s had her hair done.

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  92. ASF: In an American context, “Asian” means eastern Asia. Iraqis, Persians, Russians, Indians, etc. do not qualify.

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  93. Rider is cute, not beautiful, as is Portman. Connelly and Johannsen is pushing it.

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  94. What’s the jewish girls rash?

    She gets it on her knees when you put a ring on her finger.

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  95. Re Jewish women:

    Bar Refaeli

    Nuff said.

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  96. J wins the thread with that one.

    Also, if you really want to, put Liz Taylor and charlotte from SATC in there. 😛

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  97. I’m not sure if Whiskey has admitted to it yet, but I guess we can presume what we’ve all suspected already – that he’s a Jew. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It’s just that here and on other blogs he fervently defends Jews and paints them in the best possible light, while at the same time vehemently denying any Jewish blood or ties.

    Give it up, Whiskey. Nobody really cares.

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  98. This phenomenon is noticeable here in New Zealand, except worse. I know of a few instances of New Zealand women (the most aggressive in the world; kick it here for a bit and you’ll learn to love American women) actually lashing out at Asian women and telling them to “go home” etc. Ugh.

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  99. J,

    “Re Jewish women:

    Bar Refaeli

    Nuff said.”

    I see. Take the most Nordic/Aryan looking (that is non-Jewish looking) Jewish model out there and point to her as an example of Jewish beauty. Great methodology.

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  100. Yup, white women hating on Asian women.

    No wonder why they hate going into Chinese restaurants, even some of the waitresses are slim to none!

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  101. KassyK: “Its good to know anti-semitism is still alive and kicking though…”
    —as is Jewish paranoia.

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  102. White guys “seem” to do well in a place like Korea, but look at the kinds of girls they bang. Scraggly, underfed, mostly working class sheilas that have boxes so cavernous into which a family of four could comfortably take residence. The quality/hot girls don’t date the betatastic English teacher/expat scroungers who think a 3 by Korean standards is something to brag about.

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  103. KassyK

    Its good to know anti-semitism is still alive and kicking though…I was concerned I wasn’t being hated enough for the double threat of being Israeli and Jewish by birth.

    girl, to compensate, you’ll just have to show the world you can act even more self-important than you do now.

    my sympathies on the allergic reaction to the martinis. (try the appletinis next time)

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  104. joe, my husband is 1/2 ashkenazi jew and 1/2 blue collar white mix mostly PA dutch–he has sandy coloration and oddly caramel cream colored eyes and very fair skin when untanned, as opposed to my stereotypically jewish appearance (dark curly/wavy hair, olive based skin, green eyes).

    do i seem like i could tolerate someone’s company if they didn’t agree with me about basically everything? there’s your answer to whether he is a liberal.

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  105. The Jewish women I’ve known were often quite good looking, if not that spectacular. The distribution of personality traits in the Jewish population means that there are more girls that are outright overbearing and obnoxious, but also more girls that are lively and intelligent than in the general population. For that reason, I always liked most Jewish girls, but I have to admit there were a fair number I’d always want to stay the hell away from. I’d have to strongly agree that they tend to have body types that appeal more to breast men than to ass men.

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  106. Sofia presumed:

    So, maybe this all just boils down to what Korean men aren’t offering them instead of what the white man/foreigner does.

    meh. that’s nothing new: everybody’s known forever asian women like big dick so asian men can never satisfy them. so they go after white guys like crazy.

    them, and obsidian

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  107. Thursday

    I’m going to shamelessy self promote.

    If any of you have been following Larry Auster’s site you will know that he has been asserting that traditionalists (AKA the true social conservatives) had it right about female sexuality all along, and that they have nothing new to learn from “deceivers” like Roissy. (Contain your laughter I know.)

    Anyway, I have a new post up about exactly how and why social conservatives got it wrong about female sexuality.

    Your and Novaseeker’s recent stuff on this subject IS very much worth a read from anyone here and interested in this topic.

    It’s clear by the way, that Roissy is starting to have REAL influence and impact outside the bounds of young guys trying to get better at game and pick up. Oh yes.

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  108. firepower–Living my real life and the one you have fetished about me living is confusing! I’ll try to remember the appletinis next time.

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  109. No shit, Davey. Most of the women mentioned are half-gentiles. Do Jews go by the one-drop rule now too?

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  110. Israeli’s are different heritage than your average American Jew, which is how Bar Rafeali and Natalie Portman can be so far in appearance from someone like Jennifer Grey circa 1988. Want another foreign born Jewish girl who’s beauty is unquestionable? Emmanuelle Chriqui is the daughter of Moroccan Jews.

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  111. I wonder how many of these white women who complain about asian women in the sexual marketplace would be sympathetic to blue-collar white males who have lost their jobs due to increased foreign competition abroad.

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  112. @ Caligula: Nada

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  113. Dana you’re on my mind. I dedicated my newest blog entry to you. 🙂

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  114. KassyK purported:

    firepower–Living my real life and the one you have fetished about me living is confusing! I’ll try to remember the appletinis next time.

    i know i often confound you – and it often instills in me a weird sort of sangfroid pathos.

    you’ll never remember appletinis, so there’s no need to be grateful

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  115. Welmer

    I’ve known quite a few white girls here in Seattle who harbor a deep resentment toward Asians. However, as the Asians assimilated (they are pretty well assimilated on the West Coast), the resentment disappeared because their behavior became pretty much indistinguishable from other women and they therefore no longer presented a threat to the white female lifestyle (by giving men more attractive marriage options).

    In fact, one can now find Asian American women feeling the same resentment toward their genetic sisters who are still in Asia.

    I think the simplest and most accurate way to put the white women resentment over 1st gen Asian women especially is that they’re a whole lot less feminist, and accordingly more feminine than most upper half or quarter white American women have become.

    Yes the way that feminist white women put that is the meme that Asian women are more “submissive”. There’s a grain of truth to that but only a grain. They use it because it’s supposedly a put down, since white and Asian American men are trained by feminist believing schools and media to not want door mat submissive women. Even though most men DO want somewhat submissive women, so long as they are such in an active, lively, and partnering way.

    Yes there really is the same issue with Eastern European and South American women, and many American girls feel that just accutely. It’s just that especially on the West Coast, or in places like NYC, such women aren’t nearly as thick on the ground, nor is the “submissiveness” meme quite so easily applied to fellow Euro derrived populations. In all cases what’s really involved is less stridently feminist or directly and unabashedly male competitive.

    What Asian really are for the most part, esp. NE Asian women, is more feminine, less feminist, but not really submissive except in form. They often have high expectations for their husbands educational and earnings attainment for example, and on otherwise moving up in status. They tend to want to be strong influences guiding and steering their men. Only some of them are doormats. So are some white women. maybe a higher percentage of even NE asians are, but that meme is really exaggerated by feminists. What’s really threatening is that they’re less feminist. Yeah!!!

    (Though I do tend to prefer the way Euro women look, esp. Mediterranean and Slavic ones. Eurasians however can be world leading stunners, in my book.)

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  116. @FP, lurker- yeesh, lay off Kassy! Aside from being adorable, beautiful and feminine- not sins on this blog by any means- she can comment on comments she finds ojectionable just like any of us. This post and thread are trafficking in stereotypes, which can mean valid generalizations or offensive distortions, or both. Remember that racial generalizations do not have predictive power at the individual level.

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  117. Sofia

    This is taken from the blog of a Western white woman living in Korea, discussing the phenomenon of white men dating Korean women:

    “Guys think that Western women may simply be “jealous” that men from their own countries go for Korean women, but in general we simply feel bad for them.”

    Haha, yeah, right.

    Women always feel sorry for other women who are getting lots of male attention, didn’t you know?

    LOL

    Here’s a quote from a WSJ article:

    BANGKOK, Thailand — It’s a dream job: a high-level position in Bangkok with an interesting company and an expatriate’s salary. A beautiful company-subsidized apartment that takes up one floor of a luxury building. A maid, a car and a driver on call 24 hours a day.

    But for Julie Sleva, a Canadian citizen who is an executive with L’Oreal, the French cosmetics firm, the dream becomes hollow when she leaves her office. Although young and by any definition attractive, Ms. Sleva has had to face the often lonely life of a Western female expat professional on a continent where men rule the roost — a life with no serious relationships and rarely a date.

    “Outside of the office, it’s tough,” says “thirty-something” Ms. Sleva.

    The article goes on, offering such tips as “learning to love being alone.”

    Read it here:

    Asia Paradise for Men

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  118. Firepower:

    them, and obsidian

    How do you know so much about Obsidian’s anatomy?

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  119. KassyK-

    As you know I’m a fan. In fact the first time I was ever accused, and it was in a really sharp way, of white knighting was over defending you.

    Its good to know anti-semitism is still alive and kicking though…I was concerned I wasn’t being hated enough for the double threat of being Israeli and Jewish by birth.

    You do however have a real tendency towards over sensitivity.

    Just discussing characteristics of Jews as a group that includes some negative along with positive, is not anti-Semitism, or anyway isn’t such in any way that should legitimately be shamed or made taboo, or something to persecute the speaker for.

    Every other group gets criticized. Jews are in fact one of the most influential and powerful groups in America and have been far too immune from group criticism due to the viciously enforced (predominately by Jews, and others they recruit) taboo against anti-Semitism. WASPs have been criticised and ridiculed by Jews and under their leadership Catholics since the 1920s at least, and especially since WWII, as have especially the “Puritan” heritage of the leading group of upper class Wasps. So too have “redneck” Southern lower half wasps, and the “religious right” generally. And on and on.

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  120. Sofia slyly hissed:

    Firepower:

    them, and obsidian

    How do you know so much about Obsidian’s anatomy?

    well, we’re both black – from the waist down. it’s a black thing, if you must know, you penis-obsessed, name changing delight.

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  121. An overpriced and mediocre product (white women) being ignored in favor of an equal but better priced product (asian women).. so what is wrong?

    Maybe the overpriced products (white women) should slash their prices and offer sales.. especially since they are reaching or past their ‘best before’ dates.

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  122. maurice

    Remember that racial generalizations do not have predictive power at the individual level.

    More accurately they don’t have nearly as much predictive power at the individual level as getting to know more about the specific individual in question.

    However I can promise you, as a night cab driver for the summer plus a bit longer before law school, there was predictive power about who was likely to tip decently or at all and who wasn’t. Worst bet: black females of almost any SES. Particularly alone but even a couple of them. Next worse, black males not in suits but not necessarily thuggish looking, which later are defnitely a no go to pick up. Considerbly better bet but still not good: a black m/f couple. Best bet. A gay couple. Next best, single gay guy. Next best, a white couple. And so on.

    Note this was all stuff I gleaned from personal experience; none of it was prejudice nor was any of it learned from other cabbies. Who I really didn’t talk to that much. It took me quite awhile to start acting a bit on this learning. The main thing it cause me to do was favor gay passengers. well almost any passengers from a dance or other happen’ night club.

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  123. The moral of the story is: if you have any sort of predilection for Asian women, you need to find an expat job in East Asia ASAP. Actually, forget about even having to have a predilection for Asian women. If you’re simply tired of constant shit-tests from 6s and 7s who think they’re 10s, it’s time to move abroad for a little while…

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  124. Doug1

    What Asian really are for the most part, esp. NE Asian women, is more feminine, less feminist, but not really submissive except in form.

    True. They are not submissive at all, and will often challenge men — even in public. But if a man can exert dominance over them, they will become sweet and eager to please, and wouldn’t dream of pulling some nasty lie out of the hat for a TRO and favorable divorce.

    All in all, American women are not that dominant in terms of personal behavior, but socially they will behave with the utmost cruelty and aggression when given the chance. What I mean is that they will gladly set the courts or a gang of others on their husband or boyfriend rather than make a challenge themselves. True cowardice and base behavior, if you ask me.

    (Though I do tend to prefer the way Euro women look, esp. Mediterranean and Slavic ones. Eurasians however can be world leading stunners, in my book.)

    Eurasians can be something else. I’ve dated a few. As for pure Asians, they aren’t really my cup of tea, but I wouldn’t turn them down. My personal favorite is the black haired Spanish type — especially the fairer blue-eyed ones.

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  125. [email protected] not having predictive power

    my family:

    maternal grandparents–grocers, then landlords
    father: medical doctor
    mother: second hand jewelry (aka ‘antique jewelry store’)
    me: law school, real estate
    all we need is a pawnbroker to complete the set

    move along here, no predictive power to be seen

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  126. maurice implored:

    @FP, lurker- yeesh, lay off Kassy! Aside from being adorable, beautiful and feminine-

    Maurice, you misunderstand: out of respect to you, I will explain that I could never hate a woman with a big ass.

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  127. To generalize about Jewish girls, what they are likely to be is the most unreservedly feminist. Some are radical feminists but certainly not all or most. But most secular Jewish girls are true DEEP believers in feminist and post feminist tenants. That can often be far more superficial in other Euro origin white girls than it typically is among Jewish girls. After all, feminism was lead by Jewish women from the get go, to a huge extent, and still is.

    That’s certainly not true of all by a long shot. It’s not eg true of the very feminine KassyK.

    Part of that unreserved and true believer feminism of most secular Jewish girls is that many of them are sluts or semi sluts. (Again, NOT KassyK.) They can be real fun sluts, especially when they’re young – below 30 esp.

    They’re also dispreportionately amongst those women that aren’t married by 35 and later and most militantly against the idea that women should marry young, or considerably older men.

    Again. More feminist.

    It’s a tendency, nothing like an invariable rule.

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  128. whenever the talk about “expat life” and “foreign women” appears, I wish that America implodes in a Punjabi-like civil war so that the losers who create the mess are forced to live with their rightful women and stop screwing around happier lands

    This crisis will, I hope, remove the purchasing power advantage of the dollar jailing American men inside the land of the free, home of the brave and lair of the harpies.

    That, and the appreciation of the commodity currencies (i.e., Brazil and Russia) will stop this BS about “finding a foreign girl”

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  129. Doug1,

    Why would a black person in the US treat a white person well? What is the positive incentive?

    Think about it.. a lot of what you see as ‘black’ behavior is in reality black people treating you as they see themselves being treated. If most of their (and their peers) interactions with whites were such that they felt poorly (or unfairly) treated, why on earth would they treat you nicely?

    If they feel dehumanized, why are you so surprised when they return the favor?

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  130. lucifer,

    if at this point they still feel “dehumanized” they are simply INSANE

    never before in history has a country torn itself apart the way the US has to try to ameliorate the historically hurt feelings of a minority group.

    ever

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  131. Dude, the purchasing power advantage of the dollar is already being severely weakened, no need to worry about that. Say goodbye to the dollar as the world’s reserve currency…

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  132. on August 24, 2009 at 6:20 pm Angry Asian Man

    Want to know what white”er” women think about Asian women? Read no further.

    http://sheinchina.blogspot.com/2009/03/hot-western-men-and-fat-western-ladies.html

    The link really speaks for itself. Here are some of the more amusing comments.

    “I’ve never expereienced my self but a friend of mine, who wasn’t that big, went to a store with a skinnier friend. The Japanese clerk came up to them, helped the skinner girl and told my friend: I’m sorry, we don’t have anything that will fit you in our store.”

    The men gaijin (laowai) are always admired here, even if they look like they could NEVER even get laid back home. I don’t know what they make to the Japanese women’s brain.

    I was in Korea shopping with a friend of my sister and I was trying pants on that were a bit tight. My sister’s friend told me my tighs were really big. Then she tried to make it sound like compliment by telling me that she was going to the gym to get bigger thighs…” ~ Translation: Asian women are stealing all of our post 30’s fallback guys!

    “Yeah, but Jonna, does anyone ever offer you a seat on the bus, assuming you are pregnant? That happened to me twice last month. (OK, I am definitely a LITTLE bit fat, but not THAT fat!) At first I thought these guys were insane. Then I took a look in the mirror. They were right. Because my overcoat is a very wide, loose-fitting pea-coat, it does look a bit like a maternity outfit! I almost died laughing when I looked at myself through their eyes.” ~ Translation: waves of shame and humiliation are secretly cascading inside of me.

    “flyingfish -ah, that is quite funny but yeah, like u said. It was your coat! I once wore a A-line dress at a restaurant in Beijing, and when we ordered a beer I was told by the waiter that it wasn’t appropriate for me to have a beer since I was preggers… Do I need to mention that I never wore that dress again?!” ~ Translation: Oh Fuck, me too!

    “Ha, I can relate to this! I’m seriously glad that I don’t have body image issues, because I can imagine that if you do and are a western woman it could push you over the edge. My worst experience (and bear in mind I’m a UK size 8/10, or Euro size 36-38) was shopping for jeans. The shop assistant just snatched them out of my hand, poked me in the stomach and laughed!” ~ Translation: I am fat western feminist, hear me ROAR!

    Hilarious as it all is, it is no laughing matter for Asian men. I have a hard enough time getting girls as is, I can imagine how tough it would be for the Asian brothers who haven’t learned game. The frustration of middle class aspirations and beta-tude behavior innoculated by the media only to be met with a pussy denial has to be maddening. Change needs to begin with Asian men, while eventually natural selection would invariably lead only those sexually fit asian men to leave offspring (See the balanced fourth Japanese American outmarriage rates as opposed to the wholely lopsided first generation Japanese American outmarriage rates). Asian men need to be more patriarchal. Unlike the UC educated AZN feminists that California produces, east Asian societies are not patriarchal enough. They need to adopt the standards of middle eastern and south asian patriarchal cultures where female outmarriage is much more severely punished, with honor killings and disownings. Things don’t happen in the East Asian community, but if they did, it’d be better for Asian guys.

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  133. dana–

    if at this point they still feel “dehumanized” they are simply INSANE

    never before in history has a country torn itself apart the way the US has to try to ameliorate the historically hurt feelings of a minority group.

    ever

    Completely true.

    @Lucifer:

    So why should cab drivers ever pick up any but besuited black people then? Obviously they shouldn’t.

    You know who tends to least? Immigrant cab drivers. They almost never give a piss about PC.

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  134. dana,

    No technological civilization can be stable if the % of extreme and motivated dissenters crosses the 1% mark. Pre -1970 US was NOT stable, it could have come apart at any time (though most are in denial about that).

    The whole civil right stuff was necessary to keep it together.

    Of course, they could have built concentration camps and gas chambers. I am sure that you would prefer that solution.

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  135. And she is a disgusting whale too! Shocking.

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  136. I knock back an easy chick once every 1 or 2 weeks. The 2 prime determinants are

    1) because of the way they speak (saying annoying things with an annoying voice)

    2) Poor Kino escalation on their part.

    I also worry about stalkers, false r @ p e accusations, “gotcha” prenancies, and generally cramping my style. but the annoying voice always comes first.

    I am sorry but if I am going to pay for a taxi to your place, sleep in a strange bed and then figure out how to get home in the morning – then please at least Try and be pleasant.

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  137. maurice-

    Oh, this nightime NYC cabbie experience in tipping wasn’t at all subtle or marginal, particularly with respect to blacks. Even black guys in suits were almost never good tippers. 10% typical. But something.

    Other blacks – most of the time they have no tip at all. If anything, rounding up to the dollar for an amount that was less than 5%. But often they made a thing about exact change. And would go into rants if they got any sarcasm. Or just say shove it whitie, or whatever. That’s after being interested in them and nice and stuff. Interested because i was. Part of why I was doing the job was a kind of personal anthropolgy plus learning NYC’s layout and haunts really well.

    Course this was many years ago. I have heard blacks have gotten at least somewhat better at tipping. Still below average by far but less zero tipping. Don’t know though.

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  138. ” Thank God for South East Asia”

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  139. Lucifer

    An overpriced and mediocre product (white women) being ignored in favor of an equal but better priced product (asian women).. so what is wrong?

    I see your point, but gotta disagree. asian women are most certainly not *better* just different. My last azn slice hated asian sister-bitches most of all.

    For instance: envision American sluts as *Jack In The Box* where you can get a cheap, plain burger that will bore you sick. Asian girls are like PF Chang’s – you can get just as “sick” there, but usually from a freaky, mutated virus hatched in some Hong Kong urinal.

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  140. on August 24, 2009 at 6:28 pm greater beta in ny

    Personally I’m just not all that that into Asian women, and frankly I don’t see a lot of alpha white men with Asians either. Roissy glosses over the fact that Asians usually wind up with betas, but there’s a reason for that: in the US dating market Asians, particularly immigrant Asians, are not as high-value as white women.

    Generally, I’ve found the Jewish girls I’ve hooked up with to have above average sex drives, and they’re usually a bit kinky. They may be verbally sharp and sarcastic and present aggressive public personas, but in the bedroom they almost without exception love being dominated, more so than other white women. All just my anecdotal experience of course!

    Also, yes as a rule you never turn down free pussy, but I don’t blame Roissy’s friend for not fucking a girl he’s not attracted to. It’s not that fun and you feel lame afterwards.

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  141. Lucifer queried:

    Why would a black person in the US treat a white person well? What is the positive incentive?

    early
    parole

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  142. Doug1,

    If a group feels disenfranchised and hopeless, they can be recruited by your enemies.

    How hard would if be for some nutter religious types to recruit unhappy and angry blacks to place a few loose nukes? Today we already have radical islam in US prisons, we also have unhappy and angry black men. It only takes a few, you know..

    We still do not have lost nukes, but given the spread of nuke technology and manufacture + instability – it will eventually happen.

    Not that I want it to happen, but it is really a matter of when than if.

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  143. Lucifer–

    I usually like South Asians, but your southern Indian Tamil or whatever it is mega chip on your shoulder omega male, white man hating and they’re doomed ass, while living far more affluently in a predominantly and liberally multicultural white man country, America, is more than irritating.

    You’re a total loser resentful little twerp. Who no one should take seriously. And few do.

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  144. This illustrates perfectly the beauty of women’s insecurities.

    I’ve seen my share of jealousy amongst white women of their Asian counterparts. Whether it’s because they view them as exotic or submissive, I don’t know. But the insecurity is there.

    And of the handful of Asian women I’ve dated, I think every one of them felt like they had to prove themselves so that I might think they were as good as white women. One girl was a working model, yet she still acted like I did her a favor by fucking her and said, “I hope I was good as the white girls you’re used to.”(I kid you not.)

    Yep, an ideal situation, ripe for exploiting.

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  145. Very Funny.

    I guess this explains…white male issues with BLACK MALE/WHITE FEMALE pairing.

    White women are jealous of white male/asian pairing….white men are jealous of black male/white woman pairing.

    The same undercurrent of inadequacy flows through all.

    Hehehe. Let’s sit back and watch the rationalization begin from the white males on this blog…. hehehe.

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  146. I’ll ask it again as it got lost in the shuffle:

    Where do you take a girl in LA that doesn’t involve dinner (as per Paul Janka’s advice, never take a girl to dinner you havn’t screwed).

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  147. yep

    nothing more libertarian/minarchists want than a government that can build concentration camps and gas chambers. that is the ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION to draw from any criticism of any minority

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  148. JC, earn more and live in a better neighbourhood

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  149. Max A and Welmer

    God willing, Obama will debase the dollar who will loose its reserve currency status and you will be jailed in land of free with its lovely women.

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  150. Firepower,

    You cannot get cooperation through force, fear or intimidation.

    Heck, even the pharaohs took very good care of their workers and subjects. They knew that only profit can motivate humans over an extended period of time.

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  151. Doug1,

    I do not live for external validation.

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  152. @[b]epsilonguy[/b]:

    [quote]1. They are often dominating, hyper-aggressive, I-carry-my-balls-in-an-oversized-purse type who realize that only betas and herbs will kowtow to their stellar academic/professional credentials. Often the Asiatic brings with her massive daddy/brother issues.[/quote]

    This is only true of American-born/Westernized East Asiastics, who have mingled American feminism with the anal perfectionist standards of the motherland — the worst of both worlds.

    [quote]2. Most decent Asian men won’t give them the time of day. Look closely at the Asian fem/white male couples. A lot of 3s and 4s (by Asian standards)…point in case are the recently released reporters from North Korea. Clearly the Dear Leader found them lacking in the hotness category. One of them had some major plastic surgery (Euna Lee, I think her name was) but still didn’t help.[/quote]

    I’m sure the journalists were imprisoned solely because Kim Jong Il wanted to add them to his harem, before deciding they weren’t up to snuff 😐 Pathetic example is pathetic.

    Correction: Most decent Asian women won’t give Asian men the time of day [b]when better alternatives are available[/b]. Asian men expect their girlfriends/wives to behave like their old-world mothers — that is, a delicious hot dinner on the table every night and pressed socks every morning. Asian women dote on their men but we are not robots (yet). You can cook a traditional 3-course meal every day for 6 months, but if you take a single day off, the male throws a sulking beta tantrum. Oy vey.

    [i]Speaking as a 20 yo pureblood Chinese female[/i]:

    The attributes Roissy listed is only applicable to pure-blooded Asian women of recognizable ethnicity — that is, Koreans, Japanese and Chinese. Our pale soft skin tans to a beautiful gold, while our petite statures lend us delicate almost-avian bones and small feet. Another wondrous feature: Asian women also have naturally thick, lively black hair, which is commonly worn long. Hairdressers prize Italian hair for wigs, but East Asian hair is a close second (incidentally, African hair is the most abundant but the least valued). I have personally witnessed this; when I get my hair cut, the stylists fight over the scraps that fall to the floor. Naturally there are also thick, dwarfish specimens with squashed faces, clubbed limbs and slitted eyes — but among white women there are swarthy lasses with red faces, thick brows and mousy hair. Yet ultimately, a woman’s beauty is dependent on genetics, and not necessarily the ethnicity from which she hails.

    No, the main ‘advantage’ that East Asian women have is our social culture. We are brow-beat into embracing our gender from teachers, parents and friends; we are highly encouraged to cultivate feminine airs. Then there is the differences between the East vs. West; while the West emphasizes raw sexuality, the East prizes girlishness, softness and innocence (recall the Eternal Ingenue). The female is a weak, delicate creatures that complements the male as in his capacities as father, husband and son — you need look no further than the yinyang, where the dark feminine completes the circle with the light masculine. And while perfection is demanded from both the female and the male; yet where the male is expected to succeed, the female is expected to fail.

    Naturally this set of ideals presents its own problems. Western women expel their conflicts vociferously and violently; Eastern women internalize them. Silence is mistaken for submissiveness, when in reality there are no socially-acceptable alternatives. There are those of us who protest this standard, but the stigma and, dare I say, social consequences of rebellion are far greater than anything the West has to offer.

    I would theorize that this is why we gravitate towards whites and increasingly-reject Asian men. They allow us to love them, but they do not demand our love as petulantly, as ignorantly, as infuriatingly as do our male counterparts. In return, we receive a warmer, more-demonstrative affection that ‘punishes’ bad but [i]also rewards good[/i]. We are not necessarily considered equals, but our white boyfriends never consider us second-class citizens in our own lives.

    The more americanized an Asian girl is, the less likely this is to be true. ESPECIALLY if she has been adopted into white suburbia and/or has few friends of her ethnicity.

    Man, $5 says no one reads this.

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  153. Lucifer

    how did India manage to keep the untouchables untouchable for 5000 years?

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  154. As a friend of mine said, “Jewish women are intelligent, outspoken, and feminist. Why do you think there’s so much intermarriage?”

    I am SO not marrying a Jewess. Let the tribe propagate itself with other guys’ genes. They stopped trying to kill us 70 years ago. Maybe I’ll move to the Midwest and marry a German girl… she can make me schnitzel and knockwurst and I can annoy my parents by having her sing the Horst Wessel Lied through the receiver.

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  155. Oh, wait, I’ve got the perfect word for distaste for Jewish women: misojewny. 🙂

    [editor: not bad, kid. you’ve got some chops in the mixnmatch department.]

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  156. $5 says no one reads this.

    I owe you 5 dollars

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  157. JC — Pinks on Melrose, followed by people watching at the Grove, or alternatively eat at a stand at Farmers Market and browse around the various tacky but amusing stands. There’s also Saturday Brunch in Venice at Rose Cafe (get their early) or wandering around Third Street Promenade, or the Getty, LACMA, Norton Simon (Pasadena) or Huntington Library. Drinks at the Bonaventure Hotel (elevators glass, on the outside, kinda scary, hold her tight) and the top lounge ROTATES around the outside of the building, 360 degree view of Downtown LA. This is your night-time close.

    AVOID: Sky Bar, Gorky’s, anything with hipsters and celebs (downgrades your value). Show off the ethnic, weird LA where there are no guys to steal your thunder. Bonaventure is full of Taiwanese and Korean businessmen (site of many, many location shoots for Sci-Fi movies and TV) so no worries, same with Pinks, etc.

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  158. fuck html coding
    fuck absence of edit options

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  159. the Jews should forgive every single pogrom in Russia becasue 1000 years living there washed away Jewish ugliness and turned Jewish women into bombshells

    a few pogroms now and then are well worth the improvement in women

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  160. The Asian vs. Jewish / White woman battle ain’t nothin’.

    It’s back-to-school time, so to remind yourself of how brutal females are when jealous, just eavesdrop on a group of junior or senior girls — there’s a 100% chance that they’ll be bitching about how slutty the freshman girls look.

    Obviously they fear that scantily clad girls will draw the boys’ attention away from them. It’s a good thing those freshman girls, through their hints of sexual openness, manage to get some of the junior and senior boys to protect them — otherwise, the older girls would beat the shit out of them.

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  161. A Jewish girlfriend (I’m not Jewish) told me this- Jewish women insist on being dominant in the relationship. Jewish men generally accept this. So a Jewish man/Jewish woman couple works. A Jewish man/non-Jewish woman couple will also work. But a non-Jewish man/Jewish woman couple will not work.

    She however did not think this applied to her and said it completely unself-consciously. It did, however, she was pretty much all about having it her way or it was the end of the world, and I got tired of that.

    Her background was lower-middle class Brooklyn and I suppose there is at least a little difference by class and sub-ethnicity, that is an upper middle class Jewish woman might be less intense about it, or at least a little more subtle.

    Her grandmother was apparently a complete doormat to her grandfather, who apparently was a complete dick. Her mother and father were absolutely the opposite, either by genetics or her mother decided she wasn’t going to be like the grandmother and went overboard in the opposite direction. My girlfriend thought she was nothing like her mother, which was not true, even though she was probably less intense.

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  162. I agree.

    White men feels the same insecurity towards BLACK MALE and WHITE FEMALE pairing too.

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  163. gig

    Max A and Welmer

    God willing, Obama will debase the dollar who will loose its reserve currency status and you will be jailed in land of free with its lovely women.

    lol.

    I already am, gig. I’ve got a couple very American kids, and I couldn’t bring myself to leave them all alone with their American mother.

    However, if Obama debased the currency enough, working overseas would become a lot more enticing.

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  164. Someone here once made a great comment that slutty white women are threatened by Asian girls because the Asians swoop the sluts’ “insurance policies” out from under their feet: the stable-job Herbs the sluts hope to fall back on if snagging an alpha doesn’t pan out.

    I must resist the urge to write long diatribe about golddiggers…

    So Jew broads can’t compete, because they just get fatter, and can’t become the thinny mini asian chicks.

    Chubby white girl with big tits, large ass, and high IQ? Where do I sign up?

    What they *are*m, however, is on *average* much more effortlessly feminine than white American women, who are still struggling, in many cases, how to be strong, intelligent, independent, empowered, equal and … feminine at some point.

    One could argue that the hyper-capitalist nature of American buisness makes femininity seem like a frivolous expense that gets in the way of buisness. In turn, one could argue that the average beta chump finds femininity to be some giant black hole of money. Just look at the stereotype of men complaining about their wives’ shopping habits…

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  165. greater beta in ny

    Generally, I’ve found the Jewish girls I’ve hooked up with to have above average sex drives, and they’re usually a bit kinky. They may be verbally sharp and sarcastic and present aggressive public personas, but in the bedroom they almost without exception love being dominated, more so than other white women. All just my anecdotal experience of course!

    I would agree with all of this. Plus they are often the very best bet/best shot for higher beta types who are also high intellectual / money achievers.

    Over generalizingly wildly, they’re great when young. E.g especially in college etc.

    But they can be just extremely difficult to deal with outside the bedroom. Esp. as they age. Especially.

    Feminists through and through, by and large.

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  166. gig,

    Untouchables had to be paid to do their job! They also owned things, property and houses. More than a few of them became local feudal lords (though they conveniently changed their ancestry after that).

    In many cases (leatherworking etc), they had an effective monopoly over a fairly well paying profession. Many also made money as skilled craftsmen.

    There was no real limit on their ability to be employed in non-priestly professions. Many were recruited and promoted in local armies, administrations etc. In almost all cases they had a strong profit incentive to play the game.

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  167. Lucifer

    Firepower,

    You cannot get cooperation through force, fear or intimidation.

    my slave Jewgirls
    and their asian sub-manicurists
    would disagree

    if i let them

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  168. “how did India manage to keep the untouchables untouchable for 5000 years?”

    Simple, no education and raising them to have low self-esteem from birth. Even today you’ll see people who are cleaners in Bombay,for example, take stuff like beatings from kids and being stiffed on tips. It’s extremely sad… the American side of just wants to go run to them and say, “You don’t have to take this, you are a human being and equal to them!” To sad 😦

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  169. “how did India manage to keep the untouchables untouchable for 5000 years?”

    Simple, no education and raising them to have low self-esteem from birth. Even today you’ll see people who are cleaners in Bombay,for example, take stuff like beatings from kids and being stiffed on tips. It’s extremely sad… the American side of me just wants to run to them and say, “You don’t have to take this, you are a human being and equal to them! Stand up for your rights brother!” Too sad 😦

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  170. All–

    I agree.

    White men feels the same insecurity towards BLACK MALE and WHITE FEMALE pairing too.

    This is a fake Roissy. Making a typical black male’s dig against white men.

    No link to his blog from his name. Wrong/no icon. Roissy’s icon is red salsa and chips.

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  171. By the way, this Asian envy you see white women exhibit has a famous flip side… “Blonde girl” envy!

    Look at Bruce Lee and other successful Asian men… they loved the blondes. My own mother has expressed contempt for Indian men who go for “ugly and fat” blond women, just because they’re blond, have pretty pink skin, and pretty and pink other places too (hint hint)

    South Asian men too, I’ve heard many Indian descent women roll their eyes when a prize catch like Dr. Sanjay Gupta marries a white girl. I’ve heard people debate whether Kal Penn will go blonde or Indian too…

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  172. Welmer,

    Thanks for the WSJ link.

    My sense is that the white women expats had expectations not so much of an exciting dating life with the native Asian men, whom they’re generally not attracted to in the first place, but that they would get lots of attention from white male expats, have an active dating life, and eventually shack up with a high powered corporate/diplomat/bureaucrat expat and enjoy all the concomitant amenities i.e. large compound residence with staff, driver, other various luxuries, high status, etc. All of this in an exotic, romantic locale. Kind of like a semi/petty aristocratic lifestyle. But in reality they found many of these expats pursuing much younger native women, so they were disappointed.

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  173. Lucifer – links please, what the heck are you talking about? Lower caste people, sure but untouchables? If I wasn’t running late for a bootcamp class I’d dig up links myself, but anyone can google Dalit rights to get their perspective on their “genocide” and “centuries of oppression.”

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  174. I’m so Hillbilly / Irish it hurts. My grandfather ate squirrels (yuck) ala Karl Malone, that’s how redneck my background is. On my mothers side, Irish Catholic out of Allentown. My secret horror is that LR is a relative. It would not shock me either.

    However I do like the attractivness curve of non SWPL-ified Jewish women, who tend to have the right amount of brains/beauty. Those of us who are average have to have an edge, when a girl cares about art or whatnot, and you can demonstrate some talent, Jewish girls will be over-represented and say, cute girls from Surfing backgrounds will be under-represented. FWIW most of the hot Jewish girls I’ve known have been slender leggy girls, slender, light blonde/brown hair.

    Rednecky sort of background guys like me always go for what doesn’t look like a cousin. Simple as that.

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  175. lovelysexybeauty,

    My dollar on that guy not being a ‘untouchable’. If you tried that sort of thing on a real ‘untouchable’, some of his relatives might have a “chat” with you.

    You are confusing the plight of one desperate person with a group.

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  176. You get hopefully a smart, education-valueing part-time caretaker for your kids, and expand your family.

    One would suspect that she’d be focusing on her career or enjoying her retirement instead of dealing with kids.

    THAT is what marriage is supposed to be about.

    So marriage is supposed to be about placing a burden on our parents?

    You want Rosa the Illegal Alien Nanny filling their heads with superstitious nonsense, instead of making Jr. practice piano so duh, he can get girls with it?

    My legal grandmother was a nanny for Jews, and she made their kids practice piano and their French…

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  177. vainofstars wrote scrupulously:

    Hairdressers prize Italian hair for wigs, but East Asian hair is a close second

    yep – Madonna uses it for underarm extensions, I use it for my bald Wiemariener on those chilly Venetian nights at St. Marks.

    hell, i even floss
    with it

    you owe me $5

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  178. Oh my gosh, it’s impossible to keep up with comments on this site!

    Last thing I wanna say is that this post is kinda funny to have come up today, I was remembering how I spent a weekend with a good East Asian descent friend and observed how her and her circle of friends were so feminine while being high-achieving 🙂 It was a great inspiration

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  179. Jim

    A Jewish girlfriend (I’m not Jewish) told me this- Jewish women insist on being dominant in the relationship. Jewish men generally accept this. So a Jewish man/Jewish woman couple works. A Jewish man/non-Jewish woman couple will also work. But a non-Jewish man/Jewish woman couple will not work.

    This is very well put and very true. Jewish girls may not want to dominate in the bedroom (though they may, though usually not happily after awhile), but they do want to dominate in the relationship otherwise, one way or another, for the most part.

    When you reflect that Jewish women, with the support of Jewish men, have lead and dominated America’s strident version of feminism, which has been mondo influential in the Anglosphere, you can see much tracing back to this attitude.

    E.g. the blase or quietly approving attitude towards the strongly matriarchy in the domestic sphere effects of child support=alimony including for single mother sluts, even in the case of ambush babies.

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  180. @ Lucifer

    it is your chance to bang a girl without paying. Reaffirm your position, tell her that she is wrong and impose your dominance on LSB

    she is even Indian, btw!!!!!

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  181. Bar Refaeli is not that hot; she might look hot in various staged pictures in magazines with perfect lighting, makeup, etc, but if you look closer she isn’t that hot…see – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bar_Refaeli_age_18.jpg – also, Refaeli clearly has a whole lot of Slavic blood still left in her as do many Jews who immigrated there from Russia or Eastern Europe once the USSR them escape

    Scarlett Johannsen is fully half-Danish and she clearly looks A LOT more Danish than Jewish; however, she is turning uglier and fatter as she ages, which is very typical of Jewish women

    Natalie Portman looks like a 13 year old boy and isn’t hot at all; she’s also a raging bitch, and too androgynous looking

    Emmanuelle Chiqri is pretty hot but she isn’t an Ashkenazi Jew but rather a Moroccan Sephardic Jew; the claim at hand here is that Ashkenazi Jews are very ugly – please don’t involve the Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews (even though they are mostly all ugly too)

    Like Portman, Winona Ryder looks like a young boy and she’s not hot at all, but rather just somewhat cute if you like androgynous looking women; she had a nose-job when she was younger – http://www.celebrityplasticpics.com/winona.htm

    Jennifer Connelly – not beautiful, but kind of hot when she was younger; she is only half-Jewish though and clearly takes more after her non-Jewish side in terms of looks

    Alyson Hanigan is not hot at all…she’s just average; and she’s also partly Irish

    Again, you all who say Jews aren’t ugly can’t keep presenting these partial or non-full-blooded Jews and then claim that “Jews can be goodlooking too!” even though anyone with normal eyesight can see that Jews are much uglier than your average Northern/Northwestern European Whites. Your bullshit logic won’t fly here.

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  182. lovelysexybeauty,

    I am from a later generation than those who looked upto whites. Your parents are most likely from the older generation.

    For me, it as about sex and attractiveness (not fetishizing physical features).

    If you believe dalits suffered genocide, I have a very good idea about your views and attitudes and have no wish to argue with the deaf.

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  183. Doug1:

    After all, feminism was lead by Jewish women from the get go, to a huge extent, and still is.

    What are you talking about? Feminism is just about the purest Anglo-Saxon ideological movement ever, and its roots are more quintessentially American than baseball, Old Glory, and apple pie put together. The “get go” of American feminism was way before any Jews in the U.S. had raised above the public radar, and then as now, its ideological driving force was degenerate Protestantism. If you just look at the history of the subsequent temperance and women’s suffrage movements, you’ll see feminists that still openly acknowledged their Anglo-Protestant roots, with pretty much the same attitude and political tactics as in more recent decades, although of course the key issues in the culture wars have changed since then (mainly because the old ones were resolved in their favor).

    Of course, you can claim that Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem were the first real feminists, and that their ideology was a complete novelty and break with the past, but you’ll find it hard to build a convincing case for that given the above facts.

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  184. Oops my real last comment…

    In every culture, girls hate on those who have “it.” In South Asian culture, I as a lighter skinned woman get so much hate from the dark skinned Indian girls. A friend of mine will always comment on the ugly Indian guys always go for the skinny, straight haired, light skinned girls whenever we see an Indian couple and stuff. Then I’m in the position of having to say no, no… guys nowadays don’t care…look at the popular dark-skinned Indian actresses… blahblah (so I don’t seem like snobby b*tch)

    Also, South Asian here in the USA don’t get a lot of love but in the UK so many rockstars or celebrities married women from the subcontinent, Yasmin LeBon, Shakira Caine, the Duran Duran dudes… I think it’s because in the UK, there’s the whole “colonizer” thing going on so they like having that feeling of being conqueror and tamer of the dark skinned “savage” woman. Here in the USA, there is not such exoticisation of Indian people I think…

    India was allied with Russia during the Cold War, so the US doesn’t have a long tradition of exposure to Indian culture. The UK does.

    I donno just some thoughts about what becomes “exotic” and forms stereotypes…

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  185. gig,

    I like attractive women.. and with the exception of some asian women (facial features)- I do not care about ethnicity.

    As long as the woman looks good (not fat, decent face etc) and does not behave like a bitch, who cares? I pay more attention to her ‘technical’ abilities rather than her ancestry.

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  186. Doug1

    All–

    I agree.

    White men feels the same insecurity towards BLACK MALE and WHITE FEMALE pairing too.

    This is a fake Roissy. Making a typical black male’s dig against white men.

    No link to his blog from his name. Wrong/no icon. Roissy’s icon is red salsa and chips.

    It’s probably a frustrated Chinese beta, given the grammar. A few always turn up in these discussions.

    It’s funny, because the alpha Chinese guys I know back in the PRC feel sorry for us American men when I tell them what it’s like over here. It’s usually the nerdy, bookworm types who thought they’d be swimming in poon when they got into an American university who are the most upset (needless to say, their computer science skills aren’t doing the trick).

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  187. Vladimir:”Feminism is just about the purest Anglo-Saxon ideological movement ever”

    LIES. Early women’s rights/female suffrage advocates were indeed mostly White Anglo-Saxons and Germans, but Ashkenazi Jews hijacked those noble causes and invented FEMINISM, thus turning it in to the rabid White male hating and anti-Western movement that it now is —> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists

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  188. The problem is that everyone in DC is touched in the head. You, your friend, the women you encounter.

    None of you are actually real human beings.

    Robotsss

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  189. @ LUcifer

    so dalits were treated nicely in India yet ………………………………………………………….

    blacks were victimized in the US???????

    For me there is no question that the life of a slave in the US was always better than the life of the untouchable in India as long as slavery existed in the USA

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  190. gig,

    At no time could you buy and sell people in India just because they were untouchable, and that certainly helps.

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  191. whiskey

    I’m so Hillbilly / Irish it hurts. My grandfather ate squirrels (yuck) ala Karl Malone, that’s how redneck my background is. On my mothers side, Irish Catholic out of Allentown. My secret horror is that LR is a relative. It would not shock me either.

    Heh, I’ve got a fair bit of that, too.

    Rednecky sort of background guys like me always go for what doesn’t look like a cousin. Simple as that.

    True. I’m not a big fan of blondes, because too many of my cousins and my sister are platinum blond (had a Norwegian grandma).

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  192. lovelysexybeauty warbled:

    Oh my gosh, it’s impossible to keep up with comments on this site!

    I do so admire you! nobody writes as lucidly while simultaneously getting a Brazilian, and scrutinizing her errant Filipina maid

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  193. Whiskey, are you Jewish? I’ve noticed with the Jewish guys I grew up with that they would add at least a point, usually 2 to a girls hotness if she was jewish. It must be the constant reminder growing up that they had to marry a Jewish girl.

    When I talk about Jewish moms, I mean North American jews. The moms are usually neurotic and controlling. Out of the 4 Jewish guys I knew really well growing up, 3 are extreme betas. The only one who isn’t (but by no means alpha), his parents are immigrants from Israel, so that might have something to do with it. One of the betas grew up with a single mother and a sister so he had no chance. That has to be the worst situation for any dude.

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  194. gig,

    A dalit could become a big landowner or warlord (especially in certain parts of India), a black slave was always a slave.

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  195. Don’t forget Natalie Portman – Harvard grad and a bombshell.

    She may be smart, but she’s certainly not a bombshell.

    I think most Indian men are confused that I look sort of Indian, but don’t know too much about the culture or language

    I’ve jokingly said that I don’t date black women since they’ve never heard of the Daily Show and the Pet Shop Boys, while I never watch BET…

    Maybe the overpriced products (white women) should slash their prices and offer sales.. especially since they are reaching or past their ‘best before’ dates.

    Why do that when there’s a market (black men) that may be willing to pay any price for the product…

    Oh, this nightime NYC cabbie experience in tipping wasn’t at all subtle or marginal, particularly with respect to blacks. Even black guys in suits were almost never good tippers. 10% typical. But something.

    IIRC, black people are generally stereotyped to be bad tippers in general, and according to a study, blacks tip blacks waiters just as poorly as white waiters. Allegedly, even African immigrants don’t want to bother due to their low tips…

    As a useless fact, David tries to tip around 15% to 20%, but may tip as high as 25% if the girl has nails.

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  196. With that being said, I subscribe to the G Manifesto’s philosophy. It doesn’t matter where she’s from. If she’s fly, she’s worth swooping.

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  197. lovelysexybeauty

    Im an Alpha male and I’ll sleep with anyone and have done from 3’s to 10’s tall short fat skinny plain etc

    but you simply cannot have an annoying voice !

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  198. l33t haxor t35t

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  199. Smart guy Roissy.

    [does not use his public e-mail as his gravatar e-mail]

    haxor Epic Fail

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  200. Lucifer

    even in Brazil freed blacks could become land and slave owners themselves, and many did. We actually sold “letters of whiteness” confirming the white ancestry any anyone willing to pay

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  201. Smart guy Roissy.

    [does not use his public e-mail as his gravatar e-mail]

    haxor Epic Fail

    What popped up was the “anonymous” gravatar, meaning the fake one didn’t bother entering an email address at all.

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  202. Vadamir-

    Feminism is just about the purest Anglo-Saxon ideological movement ever, and its roots are more quintessentially American than baseball, Old Glory, and apple pie put together. The “get go” of American feminism was way before any Jews in the U.S. had raised above the public radar, and then as now, its ideological driving force was degenerate Protestantism

    You’ve tried to sell that stupid before but we ain’t buying. Veritas is right. You’re full of it and Jewish.

    There maybe be considerable truth to that with respect to the suffragette movement, though that was equally British. But that first wave feminist movement was far less radical and far less intended to be radically transformative about the nature of the relations between the sexes than second wave feminism and it’s “the personal is political”. However even large parts of first wave feminism were heavily Marxism influenced, certainly in some quarters, such as the Bloomsbury set etc.

    Cultural Maxism from the Frankfurt school is where radical feminism, which took over from the relatively tame Anglo Saxon upper and upper middle class Protestant suffragettes and their women’s right to vote (and anti drinking, pro prohibition) first wave feminist movement starting in the 1930s and especially post WWII, is overwhelmingly Jewish lead. The Frankfurt School Institute for Social Research was virtually 100% and virtually all moved to the US especially NYC by the outbreak of WWII. Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse were from this school and Jewish, and Marcuse’s “Eros and Civilization” and “make love not war” was highly influential among the New Left of the 60’s and early second wave feminism.

    Emma Goldman, Betty Freidan, Gloria Steinham, Carol Hanisch of “the Personal is Political” fame, Erica Jong, Bella Abzug, Gloria Allred, Naomi Wolf, Susan Estrich, susan Faludi, Andrea Dworkin, Susan Sontag, Wendy Wasserstein, are all leading Jewish second wave or later feminists, to pick a small sampling.

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  203. gig –

    Lucifer

    even in Brazil freed blacks could become land and slave owners themselves, and many did. We actually sold “letters of whiteness” confirming the white ancestry any anyone willing to pay

    Your 7:10 PM comment to Lucifer that started this conversation was about American black slaves. Now you’re talking about black slaves in Brazil.

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  204. gig,

    Then you know how it works..

    Many fairly well compensated professions were a dalit monopoly. They might not be glamorous professions, but they paid rather well (by the standards of their ages)

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  205. Thursday:

    If any of you have been following Larry Auster’s site you will know that he has been asserting that traditionalists (AKA the true social conservatives) had it right about female sexuality all along, and that they have nothing new to learn from “deceivers” like Roissy. (Contain your laughter I know.)

    I’ve been following the debate for the last few days, and it’s been rather disappointing. At one point, it seemed as if Auster was starting to understand the point, but then he posted a few ridiculously clueless comments, whose authors indulge in errors and misinterpretations so egregious that I’d expect even Auster would have called them on, and declared the case closed.

    I don’t know if I should be more disappointed by the blindness on this issue recently displayed by Auster or Steve Sailer (who a few days ago again wrote an outlandishly clueless comment claiming that the essence of game is about pretending that you have a better job than you actually do). On the one hand, Sailer seems like someone who should be much more open-minded about this sort of thing, but then Auster has had it explained to him in a far more systematic, eloquent, and accessible way.

    Come to think of it, I would be really curious to see the conclusions of Jim Kalb if this correspondence had been directed to him instead of Auster.

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  206. David Alexander

    Don’t forget Natalie Portman – Harvard grad and a bombshell.

    She may be smart, but she’s certainly not a bombshell.

    For once I agree with you there. Even though I really like and am attracted to Natalie Portman.

    I’d say it’s more that “she’s very hot for someone who looks and acts so smart and knowing as well, um, Jewish”. That’s not to say that there aren’t some really stunning Jewish girls. Natalie however is I’d say max an 8. We all do tend to bump famous and talented actresses up some though from what we’d rate them if they weren’t.

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  207. @ Joe

    pretend not being a moron and notice the “even” in the beginning of the paragraph

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  208. damn. the

    NerdAlert ™ just tripped

    mout

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  209. on August 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm easterkentucky

    some drunk chewish chicks verbal diarhhea…sounds not so much like jealousy of asians or anything thing to read that much into.

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  210. @ Default

    Beat me to it.

    Sweet.

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  211. gig – still makes the comment irrelevant to your original point. don’t get touchy at me for pointing out the obvious.

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  212. Handling dead people, + animals, leather working, crafts, metal smithing, “recyclers”, watchmen, tailors, guards, small farm owners, street cleaners etc were typical dalit professions.

    Try making them work without paying them! Seriously..

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  213. doug1 said (in reply to Jim)

    Jewish girls may not want to dominate in the bedroom (though they may, though usually not happily after awhile), but they do want to dominate in the relationship otherwise, one way or another, for the most part.

    I a kind of laughing at that.

    When living in NYC I seemed to have a fatal attraction to Jewish (Semitic looking) women (dark/black eyes, dark hair, etc.). And the bossiness/need to rule thing was definitely a feature. Given that I am just a mild mannered (*cough* beta *cough*) guy it usually ended badly.
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    Assuming it ever got started, of course.

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  214. Oops

    He does.

    I must have mistyped it first time.

    Woot l33t haxor win.

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  215. it bothers you when someone point that blacks brought to America as slaves had a better standard of living than the blacks that stayyed in Africa?

    and that since the end of slavery in the US black Americans started living beter lifes than 90% of the human race? And maintained that status until now?

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  216. I go to law school, with Asian girls, Jewish girls, and non-white jewish girls. Overall, I’d say Jewish girls, on average, are slightly less attractive to me than non-jewish girls, both physically and personality wise. They do have big boobs and have a sexual vibe, but as Doug said they tend to be feminist and liberal, bigtime. This makes them possibly better for being fuckbuddes, but worse for a relationship. Obviously. Generally, the white non-jews seem like they’d be better girlfriends.

    The Jewish culture has done a terrible job of raising its women. They have a high intelligence and decent attractiveness, but the personalities the girls develop are pretty bad. Liberal Jews are raising hyperfeminist women, who aren’t having many kids, creating the end of the Jews.

    I will say that Israeli women are HOT.

    I wish I was attracted to Asian women as much as white women. Good thing many other guys are. White girls need to be put in their place, and if it takes Asian women to help, so be it. White women overvalue themselves very highly.

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  217. To give you a resume: I was debating Lucifer if black slaves in the US lived beter or worse than dalits in India. He cited the opportunities available to dalits in India. I cited that even in Brazil black slaves had such opportunities, indirectly implying that in America even more opportunities would be available.

    that was the reason behind the even.

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  218. fair enough.

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  219. Didnt get to go thru all the comments yet,so sorry if redundant: Jewish women are VERY jealous of Asian women. Science has shown Jewish babies cry more in the presence of strangers. Jews,despite their bullshit “civil rights” shit—are very prejudiced. They believe everyone is “equal”;as long as its understood everyone is inferior to THEM! Jewish men try to avoid Jewish women,as theyre often abrasive,”materialistic” and bossy. jews seem to go to Asians in very high numbers. Jewish women want a jewish man for marriage,as they A)want the jews’ $$$ status,as their looks and personalities tend to make it harder to get Gentile bigshots–you seen Trump with a jew?? and B) they want a “Jewish” home for kids,if they decide to blow $200,000 and 2 years of their lives getting fertility treatments to bring another kosher rugrat into the world. Marryinga Gentile is often seen as being a “loser” by not nabbing a jew. Clear?

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  220. gig,

    A civilization with real social mobility is always less f**ked up than one without. In brazil, from what I have heard, there is discrimination against blacks- but certainly no jim crow style stuff.

    Plus, a lot of brazilians have more than a little black in them.. whether they like it or not. It is especially obvious in women *S*

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  221. I must have mistyped it first time.

    Woot l33t haxor win.

    actually the hacker didn’t win since he never figured out how to get roissy’s gravatar. that is, until you just revealed it. 🙄

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  222. firepower: are you william wegman!?!?

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  223. Doug1:

    You’ve tried to sell that stupid before but we ain’t buying. Veritas is right. You’re full of it and Jewish.

    Sure, dude, whatever you say. Just please wipe that spittle off the monitor, I can almost see it dripping over here on my side…

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  224. gig

    American slaves in the north, specifically in around the Chesapeake in Maryland and Virginia, were often trained as craftsman and tradesman and simply paid their masters a percentage as a kind of tax. They could do quite well. Might buy their freedom.

    This did not tend to be true of the deep south. Not saying it was majority true in Virginia either, but it wasn’t rare. Source is I believe Thomas Sowell.

    Oh, he notes that the mortality rate of blacks apparently worked to death in the Caribbean and Brazil both was vastly higher than in the American colonies, where slaves also tended to have better housing and material conditions, though still rough. Probably in part because because slaves were a lot more expensive in America. this was in part due to the fact that America was a LOT longer distance from the slave coast of Africa, particularly as the trade winds blew. As well for whatever combination of reasons Americans tended to buy only “seasoned” slaves from the West Indies. That is those that had both been “broken” and survived the diseases of the passage and immediate aftermath for a year or more.

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  225. Vladamir

    Just please wipe that spittle off the monitor, I can almost see it dripping over here on my side…

    Impressive Vladamir.

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  226. Joe

    actually the hacker didn’t win since he never figured out how to get roissy’s gravatar. that is, until you just revealed it. 🙄

    I had similar thoughts.

    Although Default also in effect told Roissy how to keep his posts “gravitar stamped for authenticity” by changing the email that links the gravitar.

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  227. lot of brazilians have more than a little black in them.. whether they like it or not. It is especially obvious in women *S

    this kind of argument won´t work in Brazil as in India, where people are paranoid about looking fairer

    I siad in this blog that African admixture is one reason for why I find women here hotter than in any other country, exc. maybe Russia.

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  228. My sense is that the white women expats had expectations not so much of an exciting dating life with the native Asian men, whom they’re generally not attracted to in the first place, but that they would get lots of attention from white male expats, have an active dating life, and eventually shack up with a high powered corporate/diplomat/bureaucrat expat and enjoy all the concomitant amenities i.e. large compound residence with staff, driver, other various luxuries, high status, etc. All of this in an exotic, romantic locale. Kind of like a semi/petty aristocratic lifestyle. But in reality they found many of these expats pursuing much younger native women, so they were disappointed.

    @ Kevin —

    Very true. That has been what I have observed when I have been an expat in the past as well. I would expect that in Asia where, as you say, white women really are not at all attracted (individual exceptions aside) to the local Asian men, but white male expats are very much attracted to the local Asian women. It’s paradise for men, and hell for women expats.

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  229. It’s paradise for men, and hell for women expats.

    Except on US mlitary bases, where even ugly white women are queens.

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  230. Doug1 and crew–

    Jewish women and white non Jews actually do really well together–if the man is Italian.

    Jews and Italians have always seemed to get along famously…and in the TriState area where I grew up, there was such a huge pairing of Jewish women and Italian men that the kids my age who came out of those unions were nicknamed “pizza bagels.”

    Then again, these are more traditionally Jewish women who married the Italian men.

    I think the reason I am not a hyper feminist but am naturally girly (even if admittedly that causes me to be very sensitive) is due to the fact that my parents had a very European way of raising us.

    My father is Israeli and first generation sabra (with Eastern European parents) and my mother is first generation American (with immigrant East European parents) and I grew up in a creative yet traditional family. My mother is inherently feminine and loving and my father is inherently masculine and doting.

    So I was taught to do well but also that finding love and getting married and having kids and being creative was more important than being a big feminist or ruling the world.

    And my family is all naturally blonde besides my redheaded mother. Green or blue eyes, blonde hair–similar feature type to Bar Refaeli’s actually…and tall and thin. So the “look” that so many Jews are known for is actually something I have to work for–dyeing my hair brown and self tanning.

    Maurice, thank you for white knighting. I think its really kind and I appreciate it.

    and Doug1–Thank you for acknowledging that I am sensitive and taking that into consideration. No sarcasm, I do really really appreciate it.

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  231. gig,

    based on my experiences with escorts of brazilian heritage, they are just fine the way they are.. *S*

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  232. And my family is all naturally blonde

    Your great-great-grandmothers sneaking off the shtetl with some Ukrainian boys? 😉

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  233. PA–Haha. See I can take the gentle ribbing!

    A lot of my family was killed in the war…but my grandma survived by being one of the few that hide. She was able to because of Christians who helped her and her ability to blend. She looked more Aryan naturally than any Aryan I have ever seen. She was Hungarian and blonde, golden skinned, blue eyed.

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  234. doug1

    Mischief making overcame common sense. I should have just e-mailed Roissy…

    …but I could not resist the thrill of been blog boss for a moment. Indeed I could not be sure the “hack” would work without trying.

    Sorry Roissy.

    PS:
    Maybe I should have rained hell down on various posters while playing the part. Picking on the nice ones, just to stir up trouble…

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  235. It is so obvious. White males prefer Asians becuase they have stereotypes that are attractive to males: smooth skin, petite bodies, effeminate gestures etc. They tend to be quiet and less abrasive.

    The males carry stereotypes that are unattractive to females. They tend to be short and quiet. Not what women tend to find attractive.

    Now if we can just get white men to admit their inherent jealousy of African-American males who encompass all the stereotypes of alpha-male attractiveness: tallness, atheleticism, muscularity, large downstairs, abrasiveness etc.

    And their women are less attractive because of these same stereotypes: large figures, abrasiveness etc.

    Aha…but I know all white males and even black males will tend to object to this truism becuase inherent in this truth is the sole reason racism in the USA is so prevelant: Jealousy. White males will never admit jealousy/ fear/the feeling of being threatened by black male dominance. Black males will never admit being fooled so long for something so simplistic.

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  236. Lucifer, considering that even in North India a five star hotel asked me to just stay at the lobby so that foreigners could see what loked like a beautiful Indian and I was invited to take part in a soap commercial in MUmbay

    If I went to your ancestral village in Sri Lanka people would probably worship me as a God, one of the 300 thousand you have. They would offer me virgin girls to deflower

    Lucifer

    I am your father

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  237. All though LILGRL had the same idea.

    If I had only waited, she would have taken the rap. SRSLY

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  238. Seeking Alpha

    Makes sense. I think if a less intelligent girl is submissive, they might be able to assuage their egos by saying she’s a bimbo or doesn’t know better. But when an intelligent or educated woman chooses to be submissive, and men like it, it undermines their self-perception.

    Yep. Dead on. Not surprising. You’re a bright guy and not hyper sensitive about jewish criticism. (Also not 100% if I remember correctly, but do self identify.)

    Blonde jokes and bimbo slurs (closely related) were/are the defense against pretty and fairly submissive WASP girls. Also just the “Shiksa” disdain, but that’s become fairly toothless, in it’s pure naked ethnocentrism. “Submissive” is the slur meme against Asian girls. Particularly but not only used by Jewish white girls. By more feminist white girls of all stripes.

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  239. gig,

    If some people are stupid enough to see you that way, they deserve to exploited.

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  240. Doug1:

    Impressive Vladamir.

    Not as impressive as your masterful technique of denouncing 200-proof Slavic Catholics as crypto-Jews when they voice disagreement with your interpretation of the history of leftist ideas. And all that before you’ve even figured out how to spell their names.

    Look, I know that you’re angry with the ideology presently prevailing in our society and government. I am too. But you’ll definitely get nowhere with angry outbursts at people who are more or less on the same page as you just because they don’t share your views on the history of ideas that got us into the present mess. If you want to play an angry ideological commissar, it’s your choice, but keep in mind that in public debates, anger automatically equals loserdom 99% of the time. I even replied to you this time only because I’ve read some intelligent commentary from you previously. Normally, when I see comments starting with such baseless angry outbursts, I don’t even read further.

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  241. “I wonder how many of these white women who complain about asian women in the sexual marketplace would be sympathetic to blue-collar white males who have lost their jobs due to increased foreign competition abroad.”

    Good point Caligula.The answer,of course,isNONE.

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  242. gig,

    People in north indians are more color conscious than in many parts.. something to do with being pussies who got repeatedly invaded by muslims.

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  243. Doug — The first wave feminists of Susan B. Anthony and Victoria Woodhull and Elizabeth Cady Stanton predated all the Jewish women activists by about a century. Including explicit links to anti-Slavery/racism organizations, alliances with Black radicals (the early feminists did not like Booker T. Washington much), marriage as rape, the whole thing. Heck the Free Love communes of the Oneida Society (1840s) and Mary Wollstonecroft (mother of Mary Wollstonecroft Shelley) in the 1780’s were advocating the same things (including pacifism, open marriage, polyamory, anti-racism, etc)! It all relates to the same thing: freedom for women to indulge in hypergamy. [Heck William BLAKE compared marriage to slavery in “Daughters of Albion” and “Jerusalem” and he’s the uber-Protestant poet.]

    Cultural Marxism is merely Tier 3 Gentry taking over from “progressive” (i.e. degenerate) aristocrats like Wollstonecroft. Vladimir is quite correct in the degenerate Protestantism roots of feminism.

    Jim — Not Jewish. Like the leggy/brainy/slender type, which more often than not corresponds to Jewish women though the gals here are usually only partly Jewish and generally 5′ 7″ or taller. I live in SoCal, so Jewish girls here a bit different than the East Coast. They don’t look like Lewinsky/Levy, they are more likely to be slender and light brown haired. They tend to be appreciative of things like intelligence, artistic interests, any sort of artistic talent, etc. Everyone has to have their niche, lately these sort of girls are getting thin on the ground or quickly snapped up. Sigh.

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  244. @ Default

    Too late, bud.

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  245. Meh, Asian women. Fun to make white women mad with, but that’s about all. Terrible round flat faces with squinty small wide set eyes, wide flat noses. Their natural advantage is being slender, but I’m a face man. The default Asian body is better than the white body, but a toned white women body is still better than a toned Asian body. Really vapid personalities as well. Stop giggling bitch, that’s not funny.

    Jewish women with darker features tend to be more beautiful, but god help you if you want them for more than a quick lay.

    I’m with lurker, the pretty South Asians are where its at.

    Also have a hard time taking game advice from men with an Asian fetish (guns, xsplat). You don’t need game with Asian women, you just have to be white! I wish I could find them attractive though, cos its like moths to a flame.

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  246. Now if we can just get white men to admit their inherent jealousy of African-American males who encompass all the stereotypes of alpha-male attractiveness: tallness, atheleticism, muscularity, large downstairs, abrasiveness etc.

    what really makes white men jealous is the fact that black men so often look like what white men see in the toilet every day

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  247. Second Vlad’s comment on degenerate Protestantism — the Oneida Communtiy (1840’s), Wollstonecroft in the 1780’s, BLAKE of all people calling marriage slavery in his poems, Stanton, Woodhull, Anthony etc. ALL pretty much have the same configuration of beliefs and interests of feminism today. Cultural Marxism is merely the next group of debased aristos taking over from the old group.

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  248. White males will never admit jealousy/ fear/the feeling of being threatened by black male dominance.

    Your comment assumes that this is the whole story. If that were so, fathers of white (or non-black) girls would welcome “masculine” black suitors for their daughters, assuming a level of personal responsibility on the black guy’s part.

    Yet, it’s not single white guys who dislike black male interest in white girls. Most don’t care. It’s those girls; fathers and to a slightly lesser extent, their mothers.

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  249. FWIW I see a LOT of herb type guys in OC with Asian wives. But there is also a big Asian (mostly Taiwanese) expat community here in Irvine. Asian-guy and Asian-wife is common. Herb White Guy and Asian wife, less but still thick on the ground. Unknown i the Asian guy and White woman. Almost never see that. Shopping, weekends, etc.

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  250. this kind of argument won´t work in Brazil as in India, where people are paranoid about looking fairer

    Gig, querido…and seeing “white” brazilians considering themselves “caucasians” is beyond pathetic. I always laugh at their faces…and tell them to go read Gilberto Freyre ASAP. I could tell them to do something else but yeah, I’m very a cool girl.

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  251. I was once trying to get into the pants of a gorgeous Brazilian girl. She was 100% German blood, but nevertheless had that brasileira sensuality. Alas this was before I knew of Game, and either made a beta error, or she ultimately decided that she doesn’t wanna cheat on her old provider beta/herb boyfriend.

    So no Sothern Cross with “ordem e progresso” in my portfolio.

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  252. There is little doubt that Asian women would be the first choice of white males if they weren’t with a white woman, and had to choose someone of another ethnicity.

    There are some lovely Indian and Middle Eastern women, but there are not that many of them here in the states as of yet. They would too be “competition” if they were here.

    Ive noted that many “half-asian-half-white” girls are disproportionately sexy and hot. Like this babe,

    Look at the eyes on the vaugely Asiatic Siberian girl,

    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/192095372_7f6cb23b3c.jpg?v=0

    Ive been told in California, there is some real resentment amongst white females over some of the hotter white guys dating and marrying some of the pretty Asian females.

    Like Ive said before……………………to attract a man a women only need be pretty and sweet. Those are the most important attributes. He will look past much if she can muster those.

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  253. Miscegenation ruins cultures. We should all be against it. What? Do you want all of the unique cultures of the world to vanish?

    Does your kid take pride in being Jewish or being Mexican? Or nothing at all and just feel like an outcast? Poor thing … That’s child abuse!

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  254. list of cultures i’d love to see vanish:

    the yanomamo first and formost, yuch

    anything on borneo

    aborigines–not human

    african–sub-, pan-, cis-, trans-saharan, who cares, yech

    canada–if you can call that a “culture”

    and about 80000 more

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  255. Jealousy = IMBRA

    “The American male population is now overly exposed to the message that it is acceptable to desire and actually marry women “unspoiled” by American materialism and most troubling, “uninfected” by American feminism. This message may impede the progress of feminism here at home and give American men the idea that it is acceptable to not respect feminist principles that took so long to instill upon them.

    The marriage broker websites promulgate the “message” that American men are highly desirable outside the U.S. and can have access to women not intent on upholding over 30 years of hard won womens’ rights. These sites also offensively elaborate on the reasons for rejecting American women as part of a campaign to promote the desirablity of foreign women. We find this to be most appalling.”

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/07/prweb138739.htm

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  256. Death to culture as far as I care. “Miscegenation” allows the opportunity for genes from different parts of humanity to mix- allowing the best portions (and worst) portions of the genomes of the various races to mix- ideally the best genes, of the various races, will find their place in the top 10-20% of hybrids propeling aevolution even further- at least it would if it weren’t for natural selection being pretty much dead in our soceity at this point. Oh well- its good and theory anyway.

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  257. Canada is specifically NOT a culture and they seemed to have planned it that way on purpose.

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  258. Vladimir:

    I don’t know if I should be more disappointed by the blindness on this issue recently displayed by Auster or Steve Sailer

    Sailer isn’t a hater, so his comments are only mildly disappointing. His response towards game seems lazy rather than willfully obtuse.

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  259. on August 24, 2009 at 9:20 pm Steve Johnson

    Doug1

    Blonde jokes and bimbo slurs (closely related) were/are the defense against pretty and fairly submissive WASP girls. Also just the “Shiksa” disdain, but that’s become fairly toothless, in it’s pure naked ethnocentrism. “Submissive” is the slur meme against Asian girls. Particularly but not only used by Jewish white girls. By more feminist white girls of all stripes.

    The subtle part is that it’s not really a slur on the women that it seems to be aimed at but an attack on the men who go for those women.

    It says that men who go for asian women are low dominance and need a “weak” woman so they appear manly.

    Is it really an insult to call a girl submissive? No, but calling out a guy for lack of dominance sure is.

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  260. Whiskey – thanks for the tips.

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  261. “Miscegenation” allows the opportunity for genes from different parts of humanity to mix- allowing the best portions (and worst) portions of the genomes of the various races to mix

    Endgame: blue and green eyes, silky hair, peach/beige skintone, all vanish. Everybody has wooly/wiry hair, flat noses, and ashen skin. Aim the biggest fucking asteroid for this planet.

    Better: the european race recognized as the apex of human evolution and the model for future of humanity, mildly and in small quantities supplemented by outside genomes and always via white male/nonwhite female.,

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  262. I go to this really fancy restaurant every Sunday for breakfast…okay fine its A & W… my point is it’s run by Filipinas and they flatter me like no other group of people I’ve met. On my second trip the female manager made a point to serve me and she repeated what my order had been the week before I could ask for it. She delivers it to my table herself. I feel like a celebrity when I go there. This group of employees are recent to Canada and I’m wondering if my blond hair is still a novelty. It makes me wonder if I should move countries… just sayin.

    If I were a man I’d be very attracted to Asian women. Truthfully I think most women who are not North American or white Europeans are exotic and I understand the appeal men have for them.

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  263. @PA

    100% German blood

    then she must be from Rio Grande do Sul. Let me guess, Gisele is your favorite brazilian model, right?

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  264. KassyK

    PA–Haha. See I can take the gentle ribbing!

    A lot of my family was killed in the war…but my grandma survived by being one of the few that hide. She was able to because of Christians who helped her and her ability to blend. She looked more Aryan naturally than any Aryan I have ever seen. She was Hungarian and blonde, golden skinned, blue eyed.

    What exactly is Aryan?

    I like to call myself a European/Atlantic Islander (there are so many Asian/Pacific Islanders here in the NW), because my ancestry is almost entirely from the littoral North Sea area. But Aryan? Who knows…

    Once, when I was high in the mountains of Gansu on the way to the Tibetan Labrang monastery, I ran across a few very Aryan guys. They had blue eyes and were bearded, and wore these riding boots and felt caps that made them look like they’d come from a different century.

    Aquiline noses, angled foreheads — the Aryan works. It was eerie.

    Who are the Aryans? I think Pashtuns are probably more Aryan than I am, and I’m as distinctly European as it gets.

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  265. A little gas on the fire:

    Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain on Jews:

    “In the cotton States, after the war, the simple and ignorant negroes made the crops for the white planter on shares. The Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the negro’s wants on credit, and at the end of the season was proprietor of the negro’s share of the present crop and of part of his share of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew, and it is doubtful if the negro loved him. ”

    Dana came.

    Yay capitalism!

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  266. Kassy, Italian guys and Jewish women? how bout the opposite – Jewish dad and Italian mom? That’s my parents. Did you know fewer of those? I’ve known a decent amount of both types. Both groups obviously share many similarities – love of food and tradition, outspokenness, family togetherness, somewhat similar appearance, etc.

    Half italian/half Jewish girls can be very attractive in my experience.

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  267. middleman minorities unite!

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  268. For once I agree with you there. Even though I really like and am attracted to Natalie Portman.

    Obviously, to call her ugly is an insult to her, but I just don’t see “hotness”. I see beautiful young, cute (read: sexless-looking) female. I suspect she’s the cute girl that the alphas here would lust for in their hidden desires for a long-term relationship after pumping and dumping ugly girls and David Alexander’s porn queens.

    Oh, he notes that the mortality rate of blacks apparently worked to death in the Caribbean and Brazil both was vastly higher than in the American colonies

    Slaves in the Caribbean were generally seen as cheap and easily replaceable while American slaves were just too valuable to waste. I suspect that’s why the only slave rebellion started in Haiti instead of the United States…

    Jews and Italians have always seemed to get along famously

    I live in Nassau County where about one half of the population is either Italian or Jewish, so it makes sense that such pairings end up developing.

    Then again, these are more traditionally Jewish women who married the Italian men.

    I remember watching a reality TV show featuring men who asked their mothers for their opinions of the girls, and there were two Jewish mothers. One had this near-WASP look, while the other came across as the friendly stay at home mother. I’d wonder if there’s any linger effects of American Jewry varying European origins…

    Canada is specifically NOT a culture and they seemed to have planned it that way on purpose.

    Being “Not American” is a perfectly fine culture…

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  269. on August 24, 2009 at 9:44 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @ KassyK

    Don’t you have an episode of Lost to be reviewing? We all know that Chef is Mort Goldman. Or you could watch Inglorious Basterds for some good Jew porn.

    PS: Why do Jews watch porno backwards?

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  270. Heh, can’t resist:

    A Jewish male is riding in a taxicab, when all of the sudden the cabbie slams on his brakes, as both men see a woman being raped in a dark alley. The cabbie jumps out of the car to help the woman. The Jewish guy rolls down the window, and cries hysterically:

    “Stop it! STOP IT!
    Stop the meter!!”

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  271. Aim the biggest fucking asteroid for this planet.

    As PA sobs, there’s a black nationalist wondering what happened to all the pure dark folks, and why have they been replaced with mongrels with straight hair…

    Better

    So in other words, if David falls in love with a white girl, too bad?

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  272. Dana

    canada–if you can call that a “culture”

    I can understand some annoyance at Canadian culture and it’s self conscious “separatism” and “moral superiority” etc. over their southern neighbor (though I don’t particularly share it, more amusing really), but your apparently real rather than feigned deep animosity is rather puzzling. You sure you aren’t just running a long South Park skit?

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  273. there’s a black nationalist wondering what happened to all the pure dark folks

    Seriously? they exist? now theres’ some bruthas I can respect.

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  274. I think Canada’s culture can be summed up in one word – apathetic aka indifference.

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  275. I don’t think Canadians are indifferent, just passive.

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  276. Passive is true too, but I think there’s a fair amount of apathy flooting aboot. eh?

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  277. aenigma–

    ideally the best genes, of the various races, will find their place in the top 10-20% of hybrids propeling aevolution even further- at least it would if it weren’t for natural selection being pretty much dead in our soceity at this point. Oh well- its good and theory anyway.

    No it isn’t in theory for reasons you hinted at but didn’t get fully.

    What would be best for the species is if we ended welfare of all kinds and either let the failures die off or more humanely traded welfare for sterilization in a manner that got to them early enough for sterilization to matter. But the whole “humanely” thing or taking it as far as we do is a lot of the problem.

    Of course we are a social animal and a degree of helping the weak or especially the temporarily weak, especially if they are our relatives is in our nature. But then when that gets universally extended and in extreme ways so that just about no one is allowed to die off or it’s a huge world crisis for anyway able to help, even while the world is clearly overpopulated and getting worse for the good of the planet as a whole or for average high average human living standards, it’s very dyseugenic.

    Extreme and totally wrong headed eugenics of the Nazi variety, where they wanted to exterminate an entire race or sub race and the hightest IQ/most competitive one at that is their primary “eugenic” project is clearly both morally horrific, and dysfunctional. However effectively encouraging the least successful to breed the most thought national and world welfare is the other extreme and what we’re doing now.

    As well the most effective form of cross breeding, esp when groups vary a good deal in success, is a limit introgression of genes among the most successful/attractive, rather than wholesale mixing. That and some sort of strong natural selection pressure — which we not only don’t have, we have the opposite. The least successful now have the most surviving and reproducing offspring. Due to national and world socialism based welfare, as I said.

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  278. Jack–I have seen a lot of that pairing as well. I think you are absolutely right–the love of food, culture, family, tradition, boisterious personalities, and energy makes for a great pairing.

    I personally love the combination. And yes, a few of my girlfriends that are half Jewish and half Italian are very pretty. Same with the guys that are half half. Very handsome.

    Welmer–I meant the world used in the sense of WWII at the time. A term the Nazis used to describe someone of “pure Aryan blood” and they used the prototype of blonde hair and blue eyes as a physical manifestation of that ideal.

    These days, I can’t imagine using that word for anything modern. You are 100% right.

    Whenever someone asks what I “am”-I just tell them I am Israeli (I have an Israeli passport and am technically a citizen of the US and Israel) and of Eastern European heritage.

    If they ask more, I can give specific countries. Hungarian was a huge part of my culture growing up as well as being Israeli.

    Dr. Grzlickson–I am Agnostic by belief, Jewish by birth and culture. So I don’t need Jew porn. But it might be hilarious to find. And cmon man, at least tease me with some good lines. LOST is off season…

    Also, Chef is not Jewish. He’s Italian, German/Austrian, and Swiss. Just saying.

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  279. aoefe (the maple honey) said

    Passive is true too, but I think there’s a fair amount of apathy flooting aboot. eh

    Submissive maybe?

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  280. Aoefe, I love turning on a Maritimer (specifically Newfie) accent. It is so hilarious.

    I don’t know. I live in Toronto. People were very vocal about being unhappy with all the civic strikes, but just very passive about it in terms of action.

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  281. I think Canada’s culture can be summed up in one word – apathetic aka indifference.

    While I am a mere low IQ prole with useless opinions, I’d argue that while America comes across as alpha, Canada reeks of a certain degree of betaness which may explain the indifference and passivity.

    Plus, I’m still amazed how Canadians will ride buses and tolerate perpetual price gouging that seems to be commonplace. It’s one of the few reasons I’ve considered not moving to Canada despite finding to be a racial paradise…

    Seriously? they exist? now theres’ some bruthas I can respect.

    My niece’s dad is one of them. He chastised me for my taste in the white women, and viewed my mom as an Uncle Tom. Nobody in my family was fond of him, and oddly, he eventually mellowed out since his kid was light skinned to the point where people think she’s mixed race with a white parent…

    Maritimer (specifically Newfie) accent

    “Those people don’t speak English”…

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  282. Sofia I was raised in NS so I had the maritime accent for years – lost it with effort and desire. A Wop’s Newfie accent is killer difficult to understand, Townies not so bad.

    Slow to action for shizzle is the Canadian way. It’s written in the Canada Code.

    @default

    Oh gawd I’m not submissive the country is. Who knew.

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  283. Welmer

    What exactly is Aryan?

    As you may well know, technically Aryans were early or maybe root and proto Indo-Europeans. They feature in Sanskit literature and references to the Indo European/Aryan, higher caste invasions probably from Iran/Central Asia/Eastern shore of the Black Sea. Iranian and Aryan are variations of the same Indo European languages root. Another theory is that proto Indo Europeans hail from Eastern turkey, in the area of and maybe being ancestors of the Hittites. Though the steppe east and north of the Black Sea is more favored.

    However German pre historical scholarship in the high age of European racism in the 19th and early 20th century, identified Aryans and early Indo Europeans with Germans, who they conceived as having become the rulers and Aristocrats all over Europe, during and after the fall of Rome and to this day. (There’s some truth to the notion that may Euro Aristocrats do have Germanic or related blood, but the reality is a lot more jumbled, and these peoples were no longer always really ruling by the early 20th century.)

    Anyway Wagner picked up on this, but more in a national pride rather than a world conquoring way. So did Hitler and his propagandists. But it had been a widely circulated view in the early 20th century. It was very clear to Hitler that one group in Germany and Eastern Europe wasn’t Aryan. That was the Jews. (However the claim of Slavs to be closely descended from Indo Europeans is at least as strong as that of the Germans. But it’s true that the didn’t much form the ruling aristo families in Western or Central Europe. The Rus too though have a heavy Swedish top tier component.)

    Modern research tends to show that most Europeans are by genes/blood are really pre Indo European invasions, and that the language takeover did not mean a huge population replacement. Though the initial ruling strata probably were mostly the invaders.

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  284. PA, I have a deal for you. Black man can only marry white women who have had at least one child with a white man. That way, white traits are still being produced, and black guys get a white woman, and a single parent family becomes a nuclear family!

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  285. aoefe

    Oh gawd I’m not submissive the country is. Who knew.

    LoL

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  286. doug

    if you look very very closely, and you are very still…you can tell when an semiautistic person is joking. it’s barely perceptible though

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  287. kassy, hook a pizza bagel up babe

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  288. Concerning a Few Sentiments Expressed in this Thread:

    [1] Wouldn’t the possibility of American Beta Males finding love and LTRs among the influx of female immigrants and abroad set the future of the Sexual Arms Race back to equilibrium rather than the AMERICAN-ALPHA-HEGEMONY Roissy seems to propose?

    Sociological Trends Pundits have been stating that future technical and un/skilled labor talent in the U.S. will be replaced by immigrants, for years. Why is it so hard to believe that future wives may come from such pools of ‘talent’ in a similar way? If the many soldiers and international businessmen I am acquainted to are any indication, it would seem that this would be most logical [and overwhelmingly satisfying] prediction for the general futures of American Males… Alpha or Beta.

    [2] It seems the days are gone when interracial dating can be seen as possessing any sort of detriment to society or culture.

    Miscegenation is an outmoded concept that is a thinly veiled defense for the true issue at hand:

    How does dating across CULTURAL LINES affect the propagation of DESIRED POSITIVE CULTURAL VALUES across future generations?

    The potential for the IDIOCRACY EFFECT doesn’t lie in disgusting concepts like “delinquent genetic material”, but in the mass-breeding of delinquents themselves.

    [3] Roissy, have you ever considered that your oft-noted upcoming “Sex-Bot Revolution” might be derailed by adherence to cultural traditions, social taboo and the outlandish COSTS associated with the purchase and upkeep [even renting!] of such an automaton?

    Many of these trends seem obvious if the pretense of ideology is dropped and one takes even a cursory glance at the relevant predictions of various related social and economic fields.

    Roissy, I commend you for your aptitude at deconstructing socio-sexual circumstances and phenomena within the scope of the American Anglosphere.

    Though, I would hope that in the course of your theory and application, you would set just as rigorous an undertaking at your own social dynamics models and constructs.

    The danger wouldn’t seem to lie in the amorality of your pursuits as many of your more naive opponents would say… (Anyone who would need to invoke morality as their shield in rigorous debate of abstract concepts would very likely find it a flimsy one within the rigors of everyday reality.)

    …But rather that you may possibly succumb to confirmation bias instead of continuing to temper and hone the talents which make you so able to cut down popular lies and misconceptions with cold, Machiavellian, rational observation.

    In closing, I am not so naive as to think that my views have any weight here, but I am so hopeful as to think that maybe they will be able to stimulate discussion among those that do.

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  289. actually, my hatred of canadians is based on their profile notes at the Internet Scrabble Club isc.ro

    now that’s professional generalizing in action!

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  290. PA, I have a deal for you.

    You’re an inventive little one DA! when properly motivated, that hamster in your head never stops thinking, eh?

    I did once crack open a door to the possibility of your having all the white girls you want — provided their dad is OK with it. Hehehe, that’s my way of sticking it to the liberals!

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  291. David Alexander

    It’s one of the few reasons I’ve considered not moving to Canada despite finding to be a racial paradise…

    Canada historically have very few NAMs, other than Native Americans, with whom it does have a troubled and guilt filled history. During the modern post 60’s multicultural period Canada was I believe at first a bit slow to follow suit, and then placed an emphasis on skilled occupations, in practice meaning a lot of preference for uni graduates of presumably higher IQ. A mix but weighted that way. As a result the blacks in Canada are way higher IQ and performing than in the US. Some of them still lag in employment below what their qualifications might have indicated however, I read somewhere reasonable recently.

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  292. Why don’t you whites realize the obvious.. it is over for your type.

    All your advantages are gone, and all of your problems are coming to roost- at the same time. Perfect storms are bad for a reason.

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  293. on August 24, 2009 at 10:38 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Dr. Grzlickson:

    I’ve heard good things about Inglourious Basterds, and I wouldn’t mind QT’s take on the Second World War. Where Tarantino and Pitt fail—and fail they probably will at various points—I can rest assured that Diane Kruger will carry my interest.

    As for Canadian culture, be nice. They gave us The Raccoons and You Can’t Do That on Television after all; also, I’ve been told that I’d be right at home on Cape Breton Island—I’m never told why—so the Dominion can’t be all bad.

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  294. PA – the idea of the beta as an “insurance policy” which can’t be cashed because of Asian women may have come from:
    Why White Women hate Asian Women

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  295. Canada is a shittier, poorer and colder version of the US. If it was not next to the US, it would still be a frozen piece of crap.

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  296. You’re an inventive little one DA! when properly motivated, that hamster in your head never stops thinking, eh?

    Eh, it was simply a comedic exercise. Nothing too special.

    I did once crack open a door to the possibility of your having all the white girls you want — provided their dad is OK with it. Hehehe, that’s my way of sticking it to the liberals!

    That’s why I’m rather pessimistic about my own chances. I basically don’t want a black girl, and most Asian girls aren’t attractive to me* and I’m attracted to white women, but I just don’t want to marry a girl where the family doesn’t want me. It just makes things very awkward, especially given my own timidity and social phobia.

    *Only super porn star looking Asian girls are attractive me. In contrast, there are real world white and black girls that are remotely attractive to me.

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  297. White and asian women deserve each other…

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  298. Dana—

    if you look very very closely, and you are very still…you can tell when an semiautistic person is joking. it’s barely perceptible though

    Well I did allow for the possibility that you were doing an extended South Park skit on the subject. Not the first time you’ve wished them off the planet. 😉

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  299. dr conrad – yes, the “Black Mysogynist” blog. That’s where it was from. Thanks for the reminder.

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  300. “It’s clear by the way, that Roissy is starting to have REAL influence and impact outside the bounds of young guys trying to get better at game and pick up. Oh yes.”

    He is at the threshold of becoming something far bigger. The beginning of a counterculture that will have a bigger impact than the 60s because it is born of truth and not lies.

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  301. DA,

    I think you want women who are not black.. and I cannot fault you for that.

    It is not the looks, it is the attitudes..

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  302. DA, you are so darn likeable that I want you to magically become white, as this is really your biggest dream.

    Barring that, here’s to you getting your high IQ, slightly chubby Jewish girl with brains, class, income, heels, nails, and elite parents who proudly call you “son.”

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  303. In my experience, mixed-looking black escorts are great in bed.. but their attitudes leave much to be desired. Having said that mixed-looking caribbean escorts are often quite nice.

    I have a simple policy- if an escort was born in North America, use only if there are good multiple independent reviews (especially if woman is black or white)

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  304. Lucifer

    All your advantages are gone, and all of your problems are coming to roost- at the same time. Perfect storms are bad for a reason.

    The principal problems that whites have are pathological levels of altruism including out group competitive altruism, based upon being top dog by far for so long and the historical roots of Christianity begetting Marxism and socialism (with Jews leading since they wanted to lead this universalism ideology this time around). It’s become pathological as the sharing of technology and the forswearing of continued hard military dominance for both ideological and the logic of regulated capitalist wealth growth both, has made other areas and peoples more competitive, and as the allowing of mass immigration for similar share the bounty and anti ethnocentric (called anti racist) reasons, has lead to a dilution of white culture within traditionally white countries, more in some than others so far.

    In all, too much altruism, do little hard edged self interest, since WWII. A considerable amount of out group altruism is good but anything can be taken too far.

    In the case of feminism it was excess male altruism towards females, giving not only good conditions but effective domestic sphere matriarchy, or at least the option for women to have that with men paying the bill but getting no benefits, if that option is exercised.

    this came about really as a direct extention of the altruistic impulses that lead to the end of age old world slavery lead by white (and specifically anglosphere) men, and the civil rights and anti racism movements. It’s all of a piece and it’s all about whites and even more white men bending over backwards for everyone else in the world, at first because they were so far advanced when it began.

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  305. It is ironic that north-american born and raised women are not only poor girlfriend and wife material, but also subpar escorts.

    This is not just my observation.. as I seen it discussed on many escort review boards.

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  306. doug1,

    Demographics is a bitch, so is the lack of any serious technological lead.

    The age profile of your kind is bad (too old), your economic system was created for a different world.. you have become risk averse.

    However your level of hubris is constant. It won’t end well.. You do not realize that there is really nothing you can do about the big problems.

    I am just enjoying the show.

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  307. direct extention of the altruistic impulses

    Altruism is a small part of the story. Warfare-by-other-means is usually the real explanation.

    Civil Rights of the 1960s, for example, were mostly a continuation of Northeast’s kulturkampf against the Southern states. Desegregation in the north was done with the goal of cleansing working class and ethnic whites from the cities. It’s war, Doug, not altruism. Brown vs Board of Education was the opening shot in this latest round.

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  308. Canada historically have very few NAMs

    IIRC, Canada’s Asian population swamps its black population, and black in Canada is a proxy for Caribbean immigrant.

    in practice meaning a lot of preference for uni graduates of presumably higher IQ

    IIRC, up until the mid-90s, Canada was a bit of an open door, and a de facto second choice for immigrants that couldn’t get into the United States. The door ended up closing quite a bit, and the easy welfare for legal immigrants dried up, and the policy basically shifted toward skilled immigrants or those with college degrees.

    Some of them still lag in employment below what their qualifications might have indicated however, I read somewhere reasonable recently.

    IIRC, that’s due to the fact that Canadian licensing regimes are rather strict by US standards, and foreigners find it much harder to have their credentials recognized by Canadian authorities. From what I’ve read, it’s rather frustrating for the foreigners who do move there who like the money that they’re earning, but hate the transition from middle class to social nigger.

    Canada is a shittier, poorer and colder version of the US.

    Canada is America with the Loyalists who were chased out of the US after the Revolutionary War, fewer Germans, a Francophone rump, and few blacks.

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  309. I am just enjoying the show.

    You don’t come across like you enjoy anything, you sad sack of dogshit. “Demographics” blah blahblah. One hundred years ago the muslim world was written off as finished too. Things have a way of turning around, especially. Never count the white man out.

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  310. JC — No problem. Bonaventure is a cool place, great close for a date. LA is filled with some very competitive guys, but has enough ethnic hangouts that you look “cool” for knowing them. Hope things work out good.
    ——————-
    New Orleans, rough port city, has had Jews in it since the 1820’s at least and probably before. Touro Synagoge Uptown was fun, watching the various family folks, cuties, etc. walk to Saturday prayers. Jewish life there has a “Southern Accent” and I met a few who looked like Blonde Southern belles (and were, quite sweet) but were Jewish, mostly concentrated in Medicine/Law.

    New Orleans everything goes culture probably had a lot to do with that — you would not believe the things that goes on during Mardis Gras.

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  311. PA,

    So what is the decreasing number/ percentage of white men going to fight for? Seriously, what are you guys going to fight for?

    For the undying love of white women, for the future of you kids, for the future of a system that stabbed you in the back.. illusions!

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  312. DA cooed – “a Francophone rump”

    Is that the same as French ass?

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  313. Lucifer:

    “Why don’t you whites realize the obvious.. it is over for your type.

    All your advantages are gone, and all of your problems are coming to roost- at the same time. Perfect storms are bad for a reason.”

    The funny thing about storms, Lucifer is that men cannot control them. They can prepare for them, they can endure them or be destroyed by them, but they cannot be controlled. Where the end up hitting can be predicted, but they can get bigger, or beget other storms, or change course.

    The United States and western civilization is going to get hit, but the rest of the world is too. That’s the bitch of it. There’s nowhere to go that isn’t going to feel this storm.

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  314. PA, I think you’re oversimplifying the issue.

    “The Culture Wars” — their modern beginnings and current circumstances — are complex. Trying to ahistorically shove the various sides who have stake within the future socio-cultural landscape of the Anglospheric U.S. is not only a detriment to your argument but to the overall understanding of the issue.

    With that said, here is my own view on one of the many factors that contribute to the current situation of “Young Middle-Class WASPS”:

    WASPS of the last few generations have been resting on the prosperous laurels of their predecessors.

    Whereas their predecessors had to overtly exercise force and coercion to carve a state of power in a chaotic geopolitical situation last century, the WASPS of today are able to reap the benefits subtley, taking for granted certain processes and complexes… Military, Economic, Cultural, Sociological, Etc… That indirectly work in their benefit.

    The problem is that in this leisure, the cultural values and trends that signify the need to CREATE, MAINTAIN, EXPAND AND DESTROY as needed to maintain a certain way of life aren’t passed on… The NECESSITY of having to struggle against forces and organizations that would seek to usurp power isn’t passed on.

    Much has been said on the consequences of the cultural atrophy… Both irrational and rational. As a young black man here in America, I can only attest to having mixed feelings and predictions about what may transpire in the near future as a result.

    I think that some sort of positive or negative iconoclastic reactionary culture may appear to inoculate Western Civilization against the many existential threats to its survival and prosperity over the next century… If we even get that far.

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  315. Desegregation in the north was done with the goal of cleansing working class and ethnic whites from the cities.

    That’s an interesting allegation on your part. Admittedly, white flight tends to be topic related to transit planning, and my railfan buddy and I wondered what caused the flight that didn’t exist in Canadian oe European cities. We noted that they didn’t have black populations at that time, and in turn, massive government subsidies aided in moving white families to the suburbs. One would think that the reverse pattern would have taken hold where whites maintain the central cities, and the increasing black population in the urban cities of the north.

    Civil Rights of the 1960s, for example, were mostly a continuation of Northeast’s kulturkampf against the Southern states.

    The war between the Whites and the Scots-Irish. Remember, “Obama” was the white dude.

    Never count the white man out.

    I don’t either. The white man still has the bombs to take a civilization back to the Stone Age. Ask the Japanese.

    Barring that, here’s to you getting your high IQ, slightly chubby Jewish girl with brains, class, income, heels, nails, and elite parents who proudly call you “son.”

    Hehe. Thank you. 🙂

    I suspect that she may not be Jewish, but of some other sort of white ethnic group of average IQ…

    It is not the looks, it is the attitudes..

    It’s partially the looks, and it’s partially the attitude. I still miss my Karebear, my sweet, cute, yet sexual Caribbean Queen from Barbados. For me, the magical sweet spot of 6s and 7s seem to be missing with black beauty lumped into either 8s and up or 5s and below. Although, the black 5s may dress a bit better than their white counterparts.

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  316. PA

    It’s war, Doug, not altruism. Brown vs Board of Education was the opening shot in this latest round.

    Just not true PA. I would have known about it. i was / am in those groups.

    I’ve written about the extent of that being true, which was a Jewish desire for self protection by making the protection of other groups principally blacks from any continuing discrimination a first line of defense before any American pogrom might reach them, follow the paranoia that the Nazis ignited before and during WWII. And the leading positions amoung the left and in the media and elite universities post WWII certainly by the 1960s. But even there altruism was as much involved, and altruism is why leading liberal wasps from the NE and elsewhere signed up.

    As for negative effects against working class whites, at least with respect to the north there was more an element of not caring, or that being the lesser issue compared to racial prejudice and discrimination. Easy to say when other whites are paying the price sort of thing, rather than intentional war.

    There was an element of wanting to contain and de fang southern rednecks, who had made up or supported the KKK thought that’s true, again lead by jews principally out of not entirely misplaced fear of an American pogrom lead or anyway mass supported by that element. This never would have gained real currency however if there wasn’t a sense that equal treatment was right and that white supremacism was wrong, for altruistic reasons. I don’t disagree either, with the bedrock stuff done in the sixites aside from the immigration law changes. Also affirmative action should have been sunset for blacks and native americans, and never extended to women or Hispanics. Though most of that later happened in the 70s.

    It was the subsequent, if a the basics of ending governmental discrimination are good, more and more marxist raising up of the least or lagging by program after program must be better, including eliminating all sex differences, that was really the problems. Further any looking out by whites of their particular interests or males of theirs became deeply evil increasingly from the late 1970s on, or that’s when it began to take media and mass hold.

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  317. on August 24, 2009 at 11:31 pm AbolishNegroMusic

    Lucifer said,

    “Why don’t you whites realize the obvious.. it is over for your type.

    All your advantages are gone, and all of your problems are coming to roost- at the same time. Perfect storms are bad for a reason.”

    You can thank Jewish Cultural Marxism for that. Critical Theory, Frankfurt School, Feminism, etc.

    Congratulations Self-Hating White Liberals!

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  318. on August 24, 2009 at 11:46 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Doug1,

    Have you seen this comment from Chic Noir, where she claims you would gladly be a moocher off of a high-income woman, and then rationalize it?

    Chic Noir has revealed her own ‘exploit the man’ wishes with this projection, but you should know what she said.

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  319. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Yeah I responded to it negatively down thread.

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  320. Please check out an Austerite blog – Mustard Seed – by some “Todd Smith”. His comments on game are to die for. He could not have said it better.
    Or just follow to where Auster points as the “debate ending post” re game.

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  321. Here is the essence of Austeritism, in all its glory.
    “I don’t see how a program that leads to hot sex could lead to happy, loving relationships.”

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  322. “Does the fact that Asian women possess intellectual firepower and educational attainment almost the equal of Jewish women cause the latter to feel particularly antagonistic toward them?”

    er? educational attainment of Jewish girls vs. Asians? Let’s take it to the calculus mat. Chicks as engineers? 1.2%? The breakdown being Asian chicks 90%, German chicks 9% and the other 1% unemployed at graduation. PR degree DNE real degree.

    vaguely related, yet highly, highly funny.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_women_increasingly_choosing

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  323. All

    Let’s say you didn’t care about male versus female equality, only that women were reasonably well treated. As I postulate the were during the 1950s in the US.

    Now we’re going to have the civil rights law changes as we did in the 1960s. We’re just not going to have feminism, or any notion that the sexes were or should be fully equal.

    So in other words lets say we never had 2nd or 3rd or any further wave feminism, or any of the gender laws or private affirmative action applied to women that occurred from 1970 onwards. None of that.

    We did have Don Draper style increasing promoting of the most capable women at work. Which happened before and outside of 2nd wave feminism, as the Mad Men series illustrates.

    How would the country as a whole be any worse off today than it was then, in any way? Or how would it be better off? How would it’s GNP compare? It’s divorce rate? It’s single mother child birth rate? It’s housing price level? Relations between the sexes. The sexual revolution and the fate of non alpha males, how would that compare without 2nd wave feminism, either it’s laws or its media and other ideology?

    Discuss.

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  324. “My sense is that the white women expats had expectations not so much of an exciting dating life with the native Asian men, whom they’re generally not attracted to in the first place, but that they would get lots of attention from white male expats, have an active dating life, and eventually shack up with a high powered corporate/diplomat/bureaucrat expat and enjoy all the concomitant amenities i.e. large compound residence with staff, driver, other various luxuries, high status, etc. All of this in an exotic, romantic locale. Kind of like a semi/petty aristocratic lifestyle. But in reality they found many of these expats pursuing much younger native women, so they were disappointed.”

    Bingo! BTW, the woman IS approached by Asian men but she “looks down so as not to draw attention to herself”. Hypergamy at work. She doesn’t want male companionship. She wants alpha male attention.

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  325. “White males will never admit jealousy/ fear/the feeling of being threatened by black male dominance.”

    I thought that was common knowledge. We white males aren’t worried about black males dominating the marriage market for white females, but we know we will lose in the dating game and we don’t want black left-overs. Again I thought that was common knowledge.

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  326. Rum

    Here is the essence of Austeritism, in all its glory.
    “I don’t see how a program that leads to hot sex could lead to happy, loving relationships.”

    My first reaction was that’s the most retarded, retrograde Medieval Christian notion I can think of, and not one of the racier parts of the actual Medieval world either.

    My second is that he has a point when something promotes casual sex divorced from feelings of deep female attachment.

    My third is talk to the girls, feminism, and the extant feminist culture. Individual guys need to prevail in the sexual attraction wars out there.

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  327. Rob–

    We white males aren’t worried about black males dominating the marriage market for white females, but we know we will lose in the dating game and we don’t want black left-overs.

    The later isn’t true either, though it’s a LITTLE more true than the marriage issue, which is a lay up against black men. Where it’s true on the dating front it’s almost entirely among serious sluts. There is however a considerable amount of white, especially beta white anxiety about the subject.

    You simply don’t see all that many cases of 7 or above white girls going around with black guys as bf’s in NYC. Some but not that much. What you do see are more white 5’s doing it. A lot more white asian pairings.

    At least by my observation.

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  328. Doug1

    Welmer

    What exactly is Aryan?

    As you may well know, technically Aryans were early or maybe root and proto Indo-Europeans. They feature in Sanskit literature and references to the Indo European/Aryan, higher caste invasions probably from Iran/Central Asia/Eastern shore of the Black Sea. Iranian and Aryan are variations of the same Indo European languages root. Another theory is that proto Indo Europeans hail from Eastern turkey, in the area of and maybe being ancestors of the Hittites. Though the steppe east and north of the Black Sea is more favored.

    Yes, I have read the theories. However, my personal take on it is somewhat different.

    I think the “Aryans” were Europeans who moved east out of the forests to the steppe, and became nomadic herdsmen, just like the Mongols and Turks were Asians who moved west out of the forests of NE Asia into the steppe to become the infamous raiders we know. Incidentally, many Asian historians and archeologists agree that it was probably European-derived people who introduced horses, the wheel and metallurgy to East Asia, thus creating a sort of Aryan/Altaic hybrid that became the Huns, and later the Mongols and Turks. In fact, this is part of the Korean national creation myth, interestingly enough, and the Scandinavians themselves claimed that “magic” and knowledge was brought from Asia by Odin.

    My point is that Europeans are European, and never, as far as I know, called themselves Aryan to define their ethnicity (although the Irish do call themselves “Eireann” — make of it what you will). However, I wouldn’t doubt that “Aryan” was a concept in European thought, and was later applied by settlers in foreign lands – such as the Iranians and Hindoos – to themselves.

    As for the Germans, they are a relatively young race, like the Bantus of Africa. Celts ruled Germany until the 2nd century BC or so. The Germans sprang forth from a relatively small area in southern Scandinavia, spreading rapidly for about a millennium. Some theories suggest that the first Germans were a hybrid Finnic/Paleolithic Nordic people upon which an Aryan superstrate was imposed.

    There is hardly any more consensus as to the origins of Jews. We have to accept that we simply can’t trace the movements of people thousands of years ago any better than we can predict the weather next year.

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  329. The culture wars date back to the 80’s. The 1780’s. As does feminism, and all the rest. It’s an Enlightment thing. Every sword has two edges.

    I don’t think that 2nd/3rd wave feminism would have made a difference either way, existing or not. Female hypergamy is what it is, and once anonymous urban living (enabling pursuit of Alphas), contraception (pursuit of Alphas), and rising income (pursuit of Alphas) it was all over but the shouting. To quote the Replacements. It applies Lucifer, to India and China as well, which struggle with it.

    Rob — Agreed. I too thought it was common knowledge. Marginal disadvantage, at a not good time for most guys.

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  330. Ruby–

    WASPS of the last few generations have been resting on the prosperous laurels of their predecessors.

    Whereas their predecessors had to overtly exercise force and coercion to carve a state of power in a chaotic geopolitical situation last century, the WASPS of today are able to reap the benefits subtley, taking for granted certain processes and complexes… Military, Economic, Cultural, Sociological, Etc… That indirectly work in their benefit.

    “Resting on Laurels” is simply not true if by that you mean have been working less hard. Whites including white men have probably never worked harder. I hear that’s not true of a lot of gen Y’ers gus but we’ll see, it’s early days. It is true of gen X and prior.

    The “resting on laurels” that’s been done is by whites and especially white men (since they have the feminism/women AA thing to accomodate too) leaning over backwards to aid and even step aside for other groups domestically, in terms of immigration, and internationally. It’s been a whole ideology. The cultural marxist one, which in it’s basic and ever ratcheting up form has been made into the mainstream taboo to seriously challenge dogma known as political correctness.

    As I said misguidedly excessive altruism and competitive altruism.

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  331. @angry asian man

    “Unlike the UC educated AZN feminists that California produces”

    Not sure about the feminist part but I personally pop superhard wood everytime I see an east asian chick wearing a UCLA, UC Berkley, Stanford, etc… shirt especially if they actually have a decent rack. I actually fantasize about impregnating these women. Their love for me, the confident successful white man who can both make their gina tingle and their status whoring parents proud is unmatched. The best part about them is their tight, fit bodies that still retain cute facial baby fat. I keep their flirting back image in my mind to make my dog trigger when I fuck women of lesser value.

    You have every right to be jealous angry asian man… I’m stealing your pussy away every chance I can get.

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  332. I just stumbled onto this site from VFR (the whole Game debate discussion going on across multiple blogs).

    Roissy, I am amazed. I’ve been reading through old posts. I have done nearly everything wrong for the past few years – and have little to show for it.

    I have seen the light.

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  333. Whiskey

    It applies Lucifer, to India and China as well, which struggle with it.

    It exists to a substantially lesser degree in Continental Europe, particularly it’s Catholic legacy countries, including France.

    things would be substantially different if the divorce laws of the 90s hadn’t been passed, and if we hadn’t stopped shaming single motherhood. So too would they be different if we hadn’t so aggressively pushed female advancement to be at least equal to that of males in schools and in work at all levels, as they haven’t for example in France or most of continental Europe ex Scandanavia. Those are legal and ideological issues which other countries don’t have to and haven’t nearly as much followed.

    I accept that both birth control and much wider and more lucrative female employment would have made very substantial changes without ideological 2nd and thereafter wave feminism and it’s laws. However without concerted efforts to push female equal level employment as hasn’t occurred in France or Japan etc., things would be substantially different. (Japan has it’s own problems but there they seem heavily related to the willingness of parents to apparently support fairly modestly earning girls who wish to remain at home and not marry for a long time, for that full long time, and as well to an apparently pretty low sex drive among Japanese men, or most of them, from all I can tell. Which doesn’t e.g. seem to be the case in Korea. Mongol blood?)

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  334. Whiskey

    I though you were a “beta revolution” promoter. Sounds like not.

    You see things as hopeless for betas then?

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  335. Maybe this was a good opportunity to try the ‘apocalypse closer’.

    This guy I know through a friend had a similar situation that he was trying to avail himself from. Since he has a good sense of humor and is always doing crazy shit just to be able to say ‘yes i did that’. He decided to say the following: apparently he said to the girl “Would you let me pee in your @$$?” she just giggled and kept going with her aggressive onslaught… wow….. mission failed…

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  336. JerrDogg

    I’m powerful curious where things stand with your wife.

    It sounded at one point some months ago when you were doing some spilling that you were in some manner estranged from her, but not yet getting divorced but things were looking that way. More recently it sounds like she’s living with things — and you. And you have kids.

    Or are you divorced but still friendly? And occasionally sexual?

    Don’t mean to uncomfortably pry but you are anonymous and how people work these not so traditional things out interests me greatly.

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  337. “Their love for me, the confident successful white man who can both make their gina tingle and their status whoring parents proud is unmatched.”

    Most Asian parents discourage their daughters from marrying white men. They generally won’t go to extreme lengths to prevent it, but they will try to dissuade them.

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  338. on August 25, 2009 at 1:03 am Virginia Gentleman

    The whole Auster thing has been very interesting to read, since I generally take a favorable stance towards his writings, even if I don’t necessarily accept everything the man writes. It does, however, strike me as unnecessary internicine warfare.

    I certainly don’t mean to engage in the sort of juvenile emotionalism usually on display when a teenager shrieks, “You don’t understand me!”, but keeping that in mind, I have a creeping suspicion that, on this issue, Mr. Auster et al are simply not connected to the conditions on the ground as of late August 2009. Mr. Auster’s usual perceptive insights do seem to have failed him in this instance.

    The recurring mental image is one of senior officers (Aust-rians, perhaps?) arguing that an infantryman with a fixed bayonet, elan and a commitment to the offensive will triumph over the flatbilled hordes, accompanied by the faint strains of a Viennese waltz. Meanwhile, those of us actually on the troop trains are being addressed by a burly commissar who bellows, “Next stop, Stalingrad! The one with the rifle shoots…”, with the screams of sirens mounted to Luftwaffe dive bombers echoing nearby.

    This is not, of course, to disparage Mr. Auster et al; I think we can be reasonably certain that the world that they grew up in simply does not exist at this point in time. It would almost be unfair to expect them to know conditions on the front lines for those of us in our late twenties-early thirties.

    Meanwhile, the advice of various correspondents agreeing with Mr. Auster (typified by, “Read Proverbs twice daily; some day your prince/princess will come”) would be downright insulting if I didn’t think it was being issued with honest motivations. As for my part, I’ve got a long checklist of things that have been tried; it largely matches the advice and practices of Mr. Auster’s correspondents. What do I have to show for it? Not even so much as a T-shirt.

    If we’re worried about Western Civilization, then we need those who generally agree as to its value and worthiness of preservation to be producing the next generation faster than the other side(s). After all, if you see a growing trend of Islamicization of the West, who’s going to resist it? We certainly can’t count on the multicultural cult to do so.

    Adopting the words of a cinematic character in Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers: “You disapprove? Well, too bad! We’re in this war for the civilization, boys and girls.” We have the destination in mind and we more or less know how to get there. All we need are the troops, and there’s only one way to get them. Refusing to use all available devices against our civilizational opposition seems tantamount to unilateral disarmament for the good guys. I didn’t favor it during the Cold War and I certainly don’t favor it now.

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  339. “Don’t mean to uncomfortably pry but you are anonymous and how people work these not so traditional things out interests me greatly.”

    in other words, you’re an ultra omega who lives vicariously through hearing about the trials and tribulations of other men’s relationships with real world women, as you troll the comments section of Roissy’s blog and desperately surf porn sites and masturbate for hours on end.

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  340. Virginia Gentleman:

    Meanwhile, the advice of various correspondents agreeing with Mr. Auster (typified by, “Read Proverbs twice daily; some day your prince/princess will come”) would be downright insulting if I didn’t think it was being issued with honest motivations.

    I found it funny when one of Auster’s female commenters, writing under the name “Anna,” posted some such mushyheaded “advice,” which however included the following gem:

    [My daughter’s] experiences within the last year include a very brief engagement with a young man holding a good overseas job (she wouldn’t mind relocating), and a relationship with a young local fellow heading for his PhD. In each case I found a word she felt was to-the-point in explaining its downfall–the young men were too “needy.” Too many phone calls; too many TMs; too much, too often.

    That’s actually some first-rate advice! I wish someone had hammered that into my head back when I was a kid. Some other parts of her post can also be interpreted as more or less sound advice when read in an appropriate light. (Of course, someone who is still in need of advice of this sort is unfortunately not likely to be able to figure it out.)

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  341. @doug

    “More recently it sounds like she’s living with things — and you. And you have kids.”

    I’m on the road 50% of the time now. When I’m home I spend all my time with the kids who are my life. I don’t hate her and she doesn’t hate me so it makes little sense to do anything formal about anything since it will just make a big fucking mess. But we never talk about it anymore – ever – even when we fuck which is rare but still happens. Maybe when I knock up some chick (I want a dynasty) i’ll divorce and marry her or something… well probably not marry but move in with at least. Truth is I just don’t want the mother of my kids to remarry some shithead because I know that’s what she’d get in the meat market.

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  342. Doug1 — I am cautiously optimistic about the ability to make changes on the margins. I don’t think marriage for most guys is ever coming back. EVER. For a few rich guys who can afford it, but that’s it. I DO think Joe Beta can apply Game and get five more women than he would have, and make a relationship with his baby momma last five years instead of only three. While that is not much, it’s something.

    And something beats nothing.

    I think also that with the vastly increased position of women due to technology and earnings, changes in divorce law and everything else were as inevitable as the 19th Century bourgeoisie checking the monarchs. Things could have gotten worse — marriage could have been abolished altogether. Agreed completely with Virginia Gentlemen.

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  343. Brains on a chick is like an ice cream machine in a car

    Unnecessary, bad selling point, and what seems like a great thing will turn out to be a horrible mess later.

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  344. Brains on a chick is like an ice cream machine in a car

    Unnecessary, bad selling point, and what seems like a great thing will turn out to be a horrible mess later.

    Except that a lot of studies show IQ at least being partly heritable. If you are going to have kids it’s probably not a good idea to breed with a dimwit, or even a smart chick that comes from an entire line of dimwits.

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  345. lurker,

    Why will it turn out to be a horrible mess later?

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  346. @K,

    Totally agree. Kids probably get about as much of their brains from their mom as they do their dad.

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  347. Yes, IQ is on average 50% heritable. I second K’s comment. Being with a smart girl does not inherently mean being with a loudmouthed hag.

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  348. on August 25, 2009 at 2:03 am The Fifth Horseman

    More on this ‘Asian women are hated by white women’ idea.

    While many men do not care about a woman’s career success, white women do not know this, given the feminism that has been drilled into them.

    Along comes an Asian woman of equal or better looks, but also of significantly better career accomplishment.

    I see a lot of white girls who graduated from the local state school, or at most got a ‘teaching crediential’ and are school teachers.

    By contrast, many Asian women are doctors or MBAs, and earn $200K plus. Asian women are also the only women who are significantly represented in engineering. In my job, all of the 3 people who report to me are women – Asian women. They all earn about $120K each doing a job that is fairly quant heavy.

    Thus, the career success of Asian women greatly beat that of most white women (which white women do see as a status hierarchy even if quite a few men don’t care), on top of the fact that the Asian woman may be equal or better in looks (particularly in the over-30 age group, where the Asian woman ages more slowly).

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  349. on August 25, 2009 at 2:11 am The Fifth Horseman

    gig,

    For me there is no question that the life of a slave in the US was always better than the life of the untouchable in India as long as slavery existed in the USA

    True. The Dalits in India had more ‘freedom’, but that doesn’t do a lot of good when they get maybe 4 meals a week (rather than the 21 that a person would like to have).

    Freedom can only begin to be enjoyed by someone who at least has acceptable access to food and clothing. Many poor people in India often offer to go to prison on behalf of a rich person, in return for payment to their families of as little as $2000 per year spent in prison. That way, the man is fed in prison, while the family he leaves behind also gets a payment, while the rich person gets off scott free.

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  350. @The Fifth Horseman

    “In my job, all of the 3 people who report to me are women – Asian women … [sic] …doing a job that is fairly quant heavy.”

    Yep… want to set me up? I don’t shit at work. How do you resist fucking them?

    The other thing I like is how unslutty they generally are and how family focused they are. It’s not so much that they are asian but that they are sweet and genuinely good self-less people. This is rare among white women who are so self-absorbed.

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  351. on August 25, 2009 at 2:18 am GNPs are for Apes

    Doug1 wrote :

    Or how would it be better off? How would it’s GNP compare?

    Oh no!!!!! You have sounded the horn that will awaken Peter from his slumber!!!! Too many jokes!!!!

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  352. on August 25, 2009 at 3:04 am Willard Libby

    uno

    It is so obvious. White males prefer Asians becuase they have stereotypes that are attractive to males: smooth skin, petite bodies, effeminate gestures etc.

    White men DON’T tend to prefer Asian women. White men show a clear preference on average for White women. And that includes White women who fit a negative stereotype of being heavier and more abrasive than Asian women.

    Asian lovers are a small minority of White men.

    Anonymous

    “Now if we can just get white men to admit their inherent jealousy of African-American males who encompass all the stereotypes of alpha-male attractiveness: tallness, atheleticism, muscularity, large downstairs, abrasiveness etc.”

    what really makes white men jealous is the fact that black men so often look like what white men see in the toilet every day

    White men’s general contempt for black males is that on average black males are ugly, animalistic, resemble apes, yes they are shit colored, and just generally disgusting. There is an aura of a less evolved animal that surrounds the black race compared to the White race and northern Asian race.

    The real issue of race in America is not just White men’s contempt and revulsion at the black “ape” in America and the attendant racism. The real question is why so little of it is expressed and enforced.

    Why aren’t there MORE racially proud and competitive White men? Why is the racial competitiveness of White men, their willingness to assert their racial dominance in relation to non White men, esp. black males, viewed as the ultimate world threat?

    Why should White men’s racial pride and competitiveness be characterized as sinful and hateful and motivated by jealousy and fear? Why not tell the truth and say it’s a sign of a superior, healthy animal proudly asserting his and his people’s Will to Power.

    White folks are being hit with a Nietzschean slave revolt in moral values. The strong values are being stigmatized and condemned and the weak values are being normalized and rewarded.

    Why are White men so passive, non violent and non competitive toward black males? Shit White men used to OWN niggers! Nowadays White men are more likely to show their White “rage” at other White men who dare to get even mildly pissed off at anybody black.

    Yet today the aggression is overwhelmingly FROM black males – their unrelenting sexual obsession with White women, black on White crime, provocative and confrontational attitudes towards White folks, etc.

    White men don’t jealously guard their racial interests anymore. Not at ANY level – biological, sexual, cultural, legal, territorial, economic, you name it.

    That’s considered to be a good thing. That’s progress. That’s the elimination of sin and the evil of racism/sexism/xenophobia, etc etc etc………

    Progress in the modern world means neutering and de-masculinizing White men. That’s the Great Stuff White People Like Hope.

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  353. on August 25, 2009 at 3:37 am The Fifth Horseman

    novaseeker wrote :

    I’d note that these comments are almost always heard with respect to *East* Asian women, not South Asian women. I’ve never once heard a white American women utter any statement indicating she was perturbed or threatened by a white-guy/south-asian-girl pairing.

    1) It is rarer. Indian women don’t see the same need to leave their own race that East Asian women do. Issues like vegetarianism can limit their willingness to go outside. Pakistani women, of course, will only marry another Muslim.

    2) Only now is a full generation of US-born Indian women reaching their 20s. Earlier, there were too few to be called a ‘generation’.

    3) Indian women are not submissive when they come to the West, so that ‘plus’ is gone.

    4) To be honest, very few Indian women can crack a 7 or higher in looks. This is changing quickly, but at the moment, it is rare to crack a 7.

    5) But white women will very soon be perturbed, because unlike the East Asian woman who selects the white herb, the Indian woman will make sure she secures the ‘best’ white guy (or the wealthiest, at the very least).

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  354. on August 25, 2009 at 6:53 am msexceptiontotherule

    Women that are 100% from countries like India, Sri Lanka, and other “southeast asian” cultures are either very very beautiful, or very very not.

    I have an uncle who married Jewish women all three times (only the 3rd one managed to last, probably because she got there when he was ready to have kids finally.) Some of the family has suggested it’s because he’s a lawyer, thus there are many Jewish women where he’s employed. Since I haven’t actually investigated the truth to the claim, I can only speculate whether their beliefs have any merit.

    Oh, and I can properly handle the incredibly specific and intricate tasks of a traditional Japanese tea ceremony, with the appropriate clothing from head to toes well enough to *not* have the Japanese guests conversing in Japanese about how bad the American woman has massacred their custom and dress, to impress them. If they don’t say horrible things in Japanese, knowing you won’t be able to understand most of what they say, you’ve done alright.

    Asian women can be truly out of their mind-kind of crazy. A friend decided that he was going to break up with the asian girl he’d been dating, so she decided that she’d sleep in a sleeping bag outside of his bedroom window until he took her back and let her in his house again – so he called the cops and got a restraining order after about a week.

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  355. on August 25, 2009 at 7:53 am Gunslingergregi

    Exception so now you can run the tea action. Please produce the video. Thank You

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  356. miscegenation is like cooking. random mixing will almost surely give bad results and some ingredients are so strong in their effects that they should be added only with the utmost caution

    blacks are like pepper. in very small doses they benefit the mixing due to their lack of body hair, curvaceous body, lack of fat and greater musical. yet try adding to much pepper to anything and you will see why people should be extra cautious with blacks

    the mixing of whites and east-asians resembles the cooking of ribs. due to the completely different impact of it on the offspring depending if it is boy or girl, there should be a permanent monitoring specialy of boys. whoever has monitored a “ribs on the abrbie” which needs 24 hour attention in order to get good results will have a sense of what I mean

    whites in general are like salt or garlic. they should be present in every mixing. There are no dishes worth proving without the presence of whites. Sorry guys, truth hurts, and they shouldb be calibrated to always remain as the dominant ingredient

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  357. “Rob–

    We white males aren’t worried about black males dominating the marriage market for white females, but we know we will lose in the dating game and we don’t want black left-overs.

    The later isn’t true either, though it’s a LITTLE more true than the marriage issue, which is a lay up against black men. Where it’s true on the dating front it’s almost entirely among serious sluts. There is however a considerable amount of white, especially beta white anxiety about the subject.

    You simply don’t see all that many cases of 7 or above white girls going around with black guys as bf’s in NYC. Some but not that much. What you do see are more white 5’s doing it. A lot more white asian pairings.

    At least by my observation.”

    But Doug, 3s, 4s, and 5s are just what a lot of lower betas have to settle for.

    This is actually the same issue as betas not wanting to marry women who’ve been multi-fucked by alphas. In fact, in the dating, sexing, arena, black males ARE alphas.

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  358. on August 25, 2009 at 8:18 am Gunslingergregi

    I think you may be right rob all black males are auto alpha.
    You should get the nobel prize.

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  359. Roissy,

    Half Sigma’s post making reference/citing your post Roissy…

    http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/08/asian-trophy-wives.html

    Then, later an Asian girl’s response to dating Asian men…do you agree with it?

    http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/08/kate-complains-about-asian-men.html

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  360. Gunslingergregi — you know perfectly well I was making a generalization.

    Look, Sailer has written about this; african blooded men have larger, buffer bodies, deeper more masculine voices, can dance a lot better, are more charming and outgoing, and have bigger cocks than all other races. Sure, their faces are ugly, but I’ve found people can get past faces once they see they get to know that person. It’s the same thing with me and Asian faces. Objectively, I don’t find them as attractive as European faces, but when I’m actually with an Asian woman, the face isn’t a drawback.

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  361. I’m definitely a face man, and the face is absolutely a drawback. Have been around asians girls all my life, and can’t for the life of me imagine kissing one. Icky.

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  362. Roissy,

    You have mentioned Fred Reed’s writing a long time ago. He actually had a column many years ago about this issue specifically. In a nutshell, his opinion is that Asian women are not merely a “worthy foe” to white American gals (with their “Chip”); Asian ladies simply outclass far too many white American women.

    Fred on Asian Women

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  363. I’m a bit distraught to see the amount of outright racism espoused in this thread. And even more so to see that no one has challenged even some of the more irrational statements.

    I don’t predict a particularly long life for this one, folks…

    Doug1 —

    What I meant when I stated that Young WASPS are resting on the laurels of previous generations is that there is no underlying cultural framework for young white people in America.

    Nor for young blacks.

    You could point out that a certain amount subscribe to some loose political dogma, or a commercialized sub-culture based on consumerism, or some historical or sociological beliefs….

    But by and large, the factors that describe a culture… Namely, its purpose… Do not exist, anymore. Culture in essence is a system of beliefs, tenants, circumstances, consequences and rituals that unify and guide a people to successful survival and prosperity strategies to invoke and pass on to future generations.

    At best, for WASPS and black youth in America, there is simply an amorphous set of standards for how NOT to act past a certain age.

    To reiterate, many of the actions and beliefs that people in this thread are decrying about both ethnic groups are CULTURAL and not always guided… I.E. — How someone here previously stated that the entirety of modern white liberalism is propagated by Western Jews.

    I’ve learned that it is usually a useless pursuit to challenge someone’s beliefs over the internet… No matter how seemingly fallacious, ahistorical, debased and ignorant they are.

    All I am saying is that if some of you would utilize a little subtlety, restraint and RATIONALITY, your arguments would appear a little bit more credible in themselves.

    [Some elements of Stormfront.org seem to be creeping into this thread.]

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  364. roissy

    It’s now my belief that most white women harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women.

    Seemingly most white men also resent Asian women, due to feminist indoctrination or some other reason. This very site has many such people.

    People can easily explode with anger if you express interest in Asian women. Some guy (on another forum) called me subhuman scum or something like that and wrote a long tirade about how awful I am.

    Firepower

    hmm. I’m beginning to like you again.

    imho, JAPs and Japs are Beta traps. Both are HI MAINT.

    AZNs always like to be distracted by being bought shiny trinkets. I guess, a byproduct of the prevalence of sex-tourism in all their countries. No other slice judges you more seriously on “wha kind cah you dLive big boy?”

    Asian chix are like, pussy potlatches.

    I have never heard of South Korea or Japan being targets of sex tourism, and both countries are wealthy anyway. You’re thinking of Thailand.

    el chief

    I bet anyone here that Asian women are worse at discriminating between hot/not hot or alpha/beta white males. The same way we think they all look the same, they can’t tell the difference between a 9 and a 6. Or a lesser Alpha and a manlier Beta.

    As I have pointed out so many times by now, the 1-10 scale is nothing more than a subjective measurement. It has no scientific basis. There is no magic meter that can tell you, objectively, how attractive someone is.

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  365. the 1-10 scale is nothing more than a subjective measurement.

    There is some subjectiveness to it but it’s more accurate to say that it is a scale into which a huge number of multiple factors goes, with the factors being objective. (Facial structure, bmi, hormone levels, etc.)

    You could compare the 1-10 beauty scale to a similar scale that woudl rank music according to quality. As with the beauty scale, there would be quibbles here or there, but anyone would rank an unskilled kid pecking at a keyboard as a 1 musically, and a Tchaikovsky or Mozart piano concerto as a 10.

    Even race within the beauty scale would be analogous to genre in music. Among people who aren’t Country fans there would be a consensus that Johnny Cash or Loretta Lynn is high on the scale while Billy Ray Cyrus is not.

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  366. People always treat the scale as a scientific measurement, and naturally the scale is always calibrated according to their own preferences. Even if it is based on statistics, or made up statistics (so and so many percent of people probably find this woman attractive), it still isn’t objective or in any way useful.

    People can’t deal with the fact that their personal preferences aren’t shared by everyone, so they try to promote their preferences as some kind of hard science.

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  367. TJF, so are you agreeing with me or not that the beauty scale has its subjective components (some men prefer thick women, some prefer waifs) but there is a general consensus on what is attractive and what isn’t, give a quibble here or there?

    Also, that many factors that go into a woman’s perceived beauty are objective, but consist of many complex factors (age, skin clarity, facial proportions) that we don’t consciously “measure,” but whose aggregate ceffect we nevertheless immediately perceive. Agree or not?

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  368. it’s interesting that in close to four hundred comments no one has made the obviouspoint , and the one relavent to this blog. the woman from roissy’s story and all those expat women in asia are all experiencing the same thing: they’re coming face-to-face with what it’s like to be a beta male. as much as i enjoy all this witty banter about buxom jewesses and butterface black guys (rob, what you wrote sounds a bit of the gay), i’d like to make a point more germane to roissy’s post.

    it occurs to me that value on the mating market is really composed of two scales: the dating market value and the sex market value. women have a much higher sexual value than dating value. most men are the exact opposite; they need to make up for their lack of value on the sex market by achieving something that makes them more datable. to put it another way, women offer sex hoping for companionship while men offer companionship hoping for sex. the exception to the rule is the alpha male. his sexual market value is the same or higher than his dating value and that has tremendous reprucussions on the rest of the market.

    start with the assumption that women’s desire for companionship and attention is roughly equal to men’s desire for sex; and that women’s desire for sex is roughly equal to men’s desire for companionship. that would leave the market at equilibrium. factor in the alpha males, however, and things tilt in women’s favor. alpha males are out there cornering the market in female sex, which leaves an excess supply of male companionship. the result is that women can purchase much more beta attention with much less sex, which they save to purchase alpha attention.

    all these articles about western women in asia are hilarious, because none of them will come out and admit the truth. women all over the western world are complaining about the lack of datable men; there’s nothing new there. the difference in these expat circles isn’t that they can’t find anyone to date; it’s that for the first time in their lives they’re having trouble getting laid. they’re sexual currency is proving to be next to worthless on the expat market and thus they are left all alone.

    to illustrate a comparable scenario, imagine that david alexander was suddenly transported to a magical universe where every woman already had a harem of willing betas to stroke their egos and buy them dinner. all these women have their fill of companionship, but don’t really have anyone to take charge and fuck them correctly. DAs beta currency would be rendered useless in this world and he would be forced to either start acting like a man or to resign himseld to a life spent riding trains alone with nary a platonic hug or shopping date on the horizon. oh the horror! that’s what these expat women feel.

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  369. @gooch
    Miscegenation ruins cultures. We should all be against it. What? Do you want all of the unique cultures of the world to vanish?

    Does your kid take pride in being Jewish or being Mexican? Or nothing at all and just feel like an outcast? Poor thing … That’s child abuse!

    ——

    It’s not miscegenation if you stay off the breeding game, and avoid marriage. Use women for sport sex, and move on with your life.

    All it takes for a culture, any culture, to be ruined is a dwindling birth rate combined with shitty parenting (read: single mothers) for those remaining few who actually made it out of their mother’s womb. Both of these factors are directly caused by feminism.

    Feminism = cultricide.

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  370. To all those that commented on Jewish women and beauty. Yes I dated a jewish girl in college and she was a solid 7 maybe 8 but like others have said…she was not full blooded Jewish.

    But to the point that Jewish women age poorly. I can attest to that. We met again about 6 years ago when she was 35 and I was 36 and all I have to say was that I was stunned. What a fast decline! At that time she was already 20-30 lbs over weight.

    Weird how youth and vitality that comes with youth can mask true looks.

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  371. PA

    TJF, so are you agreeing with me or not that the beauty scale has its subjective components (some men prefer thick women, some prefer waifs) but there is a general consensus on what is attractive and what isn’t, give a quibble here or there?

    The scale is 100% subjective. The fact that there exists a general consensus on what’s roughly attractive to most people is irrelevant.

    Also, that many factors that go into a woman’s perceived beauty are objective, but consist of many complex factors (age, skin clarity, facial proportions) that we don’t consciously “measure,” but whose aggregate ceffect we nevertheless immediately perceive. Agree or not?

    What does this have to do with the subject?

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  372. J R – if what I wrote above sounds gay, it due to inarticulation on my part, not gayness.

    But it’s the difficult truth, and I’m not in favor of pretty lies.

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  373. on August 25, 2009 at 1:19 pm Seeking Alpha

    The scale is 100% subjective. The fact that there exists a general consensus on what’s roughly attractive to most people is irrelevant.

    The color of a banana is 100% subjective. The fact that there exists a general consensus that it’s yellow is irrelevant.

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  374. There is absolutely no way you can demonstrate that the scale is a scientific measurement.

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  375. I thought TJF was gonna be reasonable here, but I thought wrong. Not a problem if this is done on an expiring thread like this one. Just please don’t feed him on the new thread.

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  376. on August 25, 2009 at 1:29 pm Seeking Alpha

    There is absolutely no way you can demonstrate that the scale is a scientific measurement.

    Just because I can’t demonstrate that the scale is scientific, doesn’t mean it isn’t. Just means we don’t have the tools to measure it yet.

    I’m confident in the future we will have invented a perfectly calibrated hotness reader.

    If you think about it, before humans knew about light waves and absorption versus reflection, there was no way to know a banana was yellow, despite the fact that everyone agreed.

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  377. How am I being unreasonable? It is irrelevant that there exists a rough consensus about some general features, like weight. It does not make the scale a scientific measurement. It is also irrelevant that beauty consists of various factors, some of which are not consciously registered. It does not make the scale a scientific measurement, and doesn’t even have anything to do with it.

    You’re just going to have to learn to live with the fact that your preferences are not shared by everyone.

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  378. What the hell is up with the sudden outpouring of hateful comments and slurs? I mean, stereotypes and HBD are one thing but Roissy, you might want to censor the genuinely hateful comments popping up here -I read the ‘n-word’ above, along with anti-interracial rants and WP mythology- before they overrun your site and make your comment section unenjoyable for the average person.

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  379. Seeking Alpha, the burden of proof is on you. If you can’t demonstrate that it’s a scientific measurement, your claim is bullshit. Simple as that.

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  380. Willard Libby, what is your family history? How did your people come to this country?

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  381. What the hell is up with the sudden outpouring of hateful comments and slurs?

    I dunno, but from what I’ve read on previous threads, there’s never any racism until Obsidian brings it up first. Since he’s not here, there’s obviously no racism in the thread.

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  382. Yes. The colour of a banana IS 100% subjective since it relies on our qualia, and we have no way to detect whether our qualia is functioning properly. Or the empirical fallacy argument. Until we can logically deduce, without the help of our sense perception even in an observatory scientific sense, we cannot be sure of anything.

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  383. to resign himseld to a life spent riding trains alone with nary a platonic hug or shopping date on the horizon. oh the horror!

    Sadly, I think I may actually face that world much sooner than I expected…

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  384. Bar Refaeli is not that hot; she might look hot in various staged pictures in magazines with perfect lighting, makeup, etc, but if you look closer she isn’t that hot…see – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bar_Refaeli_age_18.jpg – also, Refaeli clearly has a whole lot of Slavic blood still left in her as do many Jews who immigrated there from Russia or Eastern Europe once the USSR them escape. I give her a maximum 7.5.

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  385. Rum: You misquoted me, and even after I pointed out your error, you’re STILL misquoting me.

    I wrote, “I don’t see how a program whose purpose is to ‘make hot sex happen’ can lead to a loving, happy relationship.” You left out word “purpose,” which is critical.

    Also, it’s “Todd White,” NOT “Todd Smith.”

    Good grief, man!

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  386. you know who

    roissy: adroitly condoned:

    Firepower

    hmm. I’m beginning to like you again.

    imho, JAPs and Japs are Beta traps. Both are HI MAINT.

    AZNs always like to be distracted by being bought shiny trinkets. I guess, a byproduct of the prevalence of sex-tourism in all their countries. No other slice judges you more seriously on “wha kind cah you dLive big boy?”

    Asian chix are like, pussy potlatches.

    I have never heard of South Korea or Japan being targets of sex tourism, and both countries are wealthy anyway. You’re thinking of Thailand

    Not Fair: I’m always
    thinking of
    Thailand

    Cool name ya got there

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  387. I just sent this email to Roissy. I encourage y’all to tell him to accept…

    Roissy: I challenge you to a public debate. The topic? “Sex and Love in Modern Society. What Should Men Do?”

    This is a topic we’re both passionate and informed about. We’re both writers. We both live in DC. And we both have very different viewpoints. It would be a great opportunity for both of us. I know people in DC who have experience in setting debates up. Do you accept? I can’t think of a single reason why you should say “No.”

    -Todd White

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  388. “Most Asian parents discourage their daughters from marrying white men. They generally won’t go to extreme lengths to prevent it, but they will try to dissuade them.”

    My Japanese in-laws who narrowly missed getting killed in the bombing of Hiroshima fit that description. I wonder why anyone would expect anything different?

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  389. KassyK intoned:

    PA–Haha. See I can take the gentle ribbing!

    A lot of my family was killed in the war…

    You really do display
    remarkable sense
    of humor

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  390. The Fifth Horseman–

    Issues like vegetarianism can limit their willingness to go outside.

    Vegetarianism would actually be disqualifying for me in a living together or marital relationship. People can kid themselves all they like but the chances that a wife will keep cooking meat dishes for you while she eats only veggie ones, particularly when it’s her and the kids she insists, are remote. More minor food restrictions, like no pig and must be ritually blessed I can live with, whether Jewish or Muslim.

    I’m not trying to have that issue with Hindus following dietary practices at all, since I tend to like S. Asians, but when you reminded me of that, it made me think.

    As well I have philosophical objections. I embrace “man the hunter” and “man the carnivor and top predator” whole heartedly. I’m a nature red in tooth and claw kind of guy. I’m not a militarist particuarly in this nuclear age but I’m far from a pacifist. Vegetarianism is far to namby pamby for me. I dislike it for more than taste buds and best nutritional reasons.

    Vegans are the worst. I wouldn’t do more than pump and dump one of them. Even that’s doubtful. Don’t think i ever have. Wait. Scratch that. Did. Offered to let her share some of my bacon and eggs which I fixed up special the next morning. *grin* I think claimed Atilla as an ancestor.

    (I made that up but it was fun.)

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  391. on August 25, 2009 at 7:53 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1,

    A vegetarian Indian woman will certainly NOT cook meat for her husband, even if she is a vegetarian. She will be quite strict about not having any meat in her refrigerator. It is not just about her eating it, but the values of the man (or at least how she views them).

    I’ll be the first to say that Indians who don’t eat eggs, etc. and consider themselves morally superior to all other people are the first to try and scam their customers or make a fuss to get free airline miles from the airline. Vegetarianism becomes a morality crutch for them, which they use to rationalize that they are better people than meat eaters, even if they do tons of other immoral activities.

    Vegans are quite extreme, and have all sorts of dental problems. They all have leather seats in their cars, ironically enough.

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  392. The Firth Horseman

    A vegetarian Indian woman will certainly NOT cook meat for her husband, even if she is a vegetarian.

    That makes her even more out of the question then.

    (Makes sense that she wouldn’t.)

    In my opinion vegetarianism if for serfs. Rulers and alphas eat meat. At least of some kind. Should be happy to hunt it too.

    I guess Hindus think it’s for priests. Aren’t Brahmin’s supposed to be largely or initially and certainy culturally descended from the Aryan steppe horse people invaders? How did even the priestly class of such a warrior people come to be vegetarians, in actual historical fact, as opposed to mythological/religious lore, I wonder.

    What percentage of US Hindu background Indians to you think are Kshatriyas (warrior origin caste) and therefore meat eaters?

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  393. on August 25, 2009 at 9:10 pm Black Military Man

    “When you/we say Asian, we’re largely talking East Asian, i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean. Does this also apply to South Asians, i.e. Indian girls? ”
    ……………

    No. Indian women generally do not date and when they do date, they generally date within their own cultural confines.

    However, that seems to be changing. Some Indian American men are now forced to go back to India just to be able to get married (arranged).

    In my personal experience, Indian women are beautiful but tend to be shy and unadventurous in the bedroom.

    However, East Indian women who were born and raised in the Carribbean women are in an entirely different category. Much more adventurous. Much more.

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  394. on August 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm Black Military Man

    “A vegetarian Indian woman will certainly NOT cook meat for her husband, even if she is a vegetarian”

    Not neccessarily. If her marriage was arranged to him by her parents, she might. I’ve seen it happen. In West Bengal most Bengalis eat fish. However, many are still “pure veg”. Sometimes parents will arrange their vegetarian daughters in marriage to fish eating grooms. The daughters often cook fish for their husbands and in-laws.

    Also, some Indo-American vegetarians are not that strict. Here is an example of a beautiful Mallu vegetarian who lives with her carnivorous boyfriend – tolerating the meat and all.

    http://twitter.com/suitablegirl

    Not all vegetarians have the same strict standards.

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  395. on August 25, 2009 at 9:27 pm Black Military Man

    “I guess this explains…white male issues with BLACK MALE/WHITE FEMALE pairing.”
    ……………………

    Yeah. it does. However, white guys got nothing to worry about. We black men date, live with and marry black women in far more greater degrees than we do white women.

    Black-White couples are still a very small minority in the USA.

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  396. on August 25, 2009 at 9:30 pm Black Military Man

    “I guess Hindus think it’s for priests.” (vegetarianism)

    Nope Doug1, Indians from various castes are vegetarians. It often depends upon their particular local sub-culture or religious sect.

    Vegetarian women taste and smell better, that much I do know!

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  397. Doug1
    Yeah I responded to it negatively down thread.

    Uh, doug, you can’t be that sensitive. I’m sure you know that was a joke.Thanks for being a snitch GNP.

    SDan
    I just stumbled onto this site from VFR

    Welcome, relax, and have a drink.

    Ruby I’m a bit distraught to see the amount of outright racism espoused in this thread

    don’t’ be Ruby, this is they behave everyday.

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  398. Willard Yet today the aggression is overwhelmingly FROM black males – their unrelenting sexual obsession with White women,

    Please stop, it goes both ways. You sound as if you’re jealous of blk males who can score your women.

    Joe to willard Joe
    Willard Libby, what is your family history? How did your people come to this country?

    The same way “ours” did, at the bottom of a boat.

    joe I dunno, but from what I’ve read on previous threads, there’s never any racism until Obsidian brings it up first. Since he’s not here, there’s obviously no racism in the thread.

    *chic winks at joe*

    Angry asian man They need to adopt the standards of middle eastern and south asian patriarchal cultures where female outmarriage is much more severely punished, with honor killings and disownings
    YIKES!!!

    *takes to my heels*

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  399. Todd
    Adding the word “purpose” to that sentence changes nothing, as far as I can see. Having a “program” implies that there is a purpose to it. The concept is present whether or not the word is, as far as I can see.
    The problem with the idea you presented is that on the planet I live on, very few things are as important to bonding or potentially bonding as the hotness of the sex. And hotness involves mutual attraction. She needs to feel a gina tingle because of you. If a guy is doing a lot of things that is culturally prgrammed to do but which in fact inhibit her gina tingles, a good friend would try to share that knowledge, it seems to me.
    Game is not really about deception at all. It is mainly about showing her a side of yourself that idiots have told you to hide around women.
    Game is not at all about materialism/reductionism. Other than Roissy, I doubt anyone here shares that worldview and have said so. (And I have my doubts about Roissy).
    A public debate? You mean like one of those HealthReform Town Hall Meetings only with lots of psycho-DC feminists?

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  400. And how does anyone find their way into Austers Blog-Fortress to post something? Moderation is his right of course but I cannot even find a way to be rejected.

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  401. I’d be highly interested in a public debate between Roissy and Todd White.

    It’d be a prime opportunity for Roissy to elaborate on his views. Hopefully a full exploration of the relation of “Game” to sociological, cultural and evolutionary factors in Roissy’s worldview will eliminate the ambiguity that lets other’s ejaculate their racism and bigotry in threads like these.

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  402. There is an article in the September issue of Marie Claire magazine on the WM/AF relationship issue. Interesting stuff and the Asian women profiled were with the alphas of the media industry.

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  403. on August 25, 2009 at 10:22 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Todd White sucks – he does not even know what Game is.

    Go to Ferdinand Bardamu’s blog. Even I cornered him in a debate, which he had to retreat from with copouts like ‘you amuse me’.

    The first step with a social con is to have them define what Game is, as per their understanding of it. Todd White cannot even do this. He does not know what Game is.

    That has to be step 1. Only then can step 2, an actual debate, occur.

    It is quite clear to me that those of us who practice Game are at the very top of Maslow’s hierarchy. Social cons like Todd White are one step lower (which is why we fully understand them, but they do not understand us). Leftists are one level lower still.

    I submit Todd White as a BOTM candidate.

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  404. on August 25, 2009 at 10:27 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1,

    It is not that way at all.

    ‘Caste’ is not a determinant of behavior in India. No one know what anyone else’s caste is. Only the people who are Brahmins like to mention it at every chance (much like Harvard or Princeton Grads like to mention where they graduated from). However, unlike a college, anyone can claim to be a Brahmin, and there isn’t really a way to disprove it unless you know the family history of the person going back several generations.

    Vegetarianism has to do with different religious subsects of Hinduism. And the smaller religion of Jainism. Buddhists are vegetarians too.

    On the other hand, some tribals in India are cannibals too. So all extremes exist.

    But no one goes around with a ‘Kshatriya/Vaishya/Shudra’ label – that was from centuries ago. There is no way to prove or disprove a person’s caste, nor does that tie to diet.

    Lastly, Brahmins were never the rulers. They were the intellectuals and clerics (held at the highest status tier). Their status was more a pious one than a ruling one.

    Kings were always Kshatriyas, as they had to fight wars almost continuously.

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  405. I found a book today that teaches non-Asian women to use the secrets of Asian women. The chick in the post was stupid, smart women adapt to the demands of the market!

    http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Secrets-American-Geisha-Positively/dp/0897934903/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251256440&sr=1-1

    “The attraction to Asian women can be so strong that some Western men develop an Asian fetish, known as ‘yellow fever’….I believe it is not so much the Asian appearance of such a woman but rather her overwhelming femininity that attracts men to her. When Western or American women use the Asian Geisha’s ways to express their own femininity, they will attract men by triggering ‘black fever, ‘brown fever,’ or ‘white fever’ in them. I believe it is fundamentally a ‘feminine woman fever’ that our potential Good Men suffer: the strong, compelling desire to find a truly feminine woman”

    A major chapter is devoted to keeping weight down.

    Some smart women out there is making money off good advice… I wanna get this book lol

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  406. To Doug1

    About 20% of US Hindus are Patels, who are landlord caste and small businessmen. Patels are vegetarian

    About 20% of US hindus are Punjabis, of Kshatriya warrior caste, mostly Jat sikhs
    The more religious Jat sikhs ( Amritdharis ) are vegetarian, but most are non-vegetarian

    About 20% of US hindus are brahmins, ( silicon valley techies )
    Brahmins are vegetarian

    Of the remaining 40%, about 10% are vegetarian castes

    BTW, the so called Aryan Gene, Y marker, similar to the jewish cohanim Y marker is R1A1

    About 60% of brahmins and 50% of Slavs ( Russians, Ukrainians, Poles ) carry R1A1

    Per Toomas Kivilsid, the roots of R1A1 lie in India,
    among the Chenchu forest tribals of south India

    R1A1, is mostly absent in western europe, so the so called
    Aryan Germans dont carry R1A1

    About 5% of South east asia, Philipines, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia carry the R1A1 marker, due to brahmin migration about 1500 years ago

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  407. TJF:

    As I have pointed out so many times by now, the 1-10 scale is nothing more than a subjective measurement. It has no scientific basis. There is no magic meter that can tell you, objectively, how attractive someone is.

    There was a lot of bad media coverage some weeks ago of a paper about women getting more beautiful. The author, Markus Jokela, has written a rebuttal of all the misrepresentation:

    http://blogs.helsinki.fi/mmjokela/women-are-getting-more-beautiful-getting-the-story-right/

    One of the things they got wrong is believing there is no scientific basis to attractiveness, just like you. Scroll down to point 4 of the rebuttal, where Jokela cites studies showing that beauty is not all in the eye of the beholder. Not only is there strong agreement both within and across cultures about who is and who is not attractive, but these preferences emerge too early to be cultural and so they clearly have some biological basis. Beauty is definitely not 100% subjective, especially facial attractiveness. Weight is more variable, but since men prefer heavier women in societies where food is scarce and fat/high BMI is an indicator of health/physical well-being, that is not really all subjective, either.

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  408. Outlookindia.com

    “Our women don’t drive BMWs,” the Gujarati mum told me some time back. Meaning they’re supposed not to go for men who may be “Black, Muslim or White”. And of the few who do slip? She thought that would be a family calamity of varying shades. Going out with a black man would bring shame, but with a white chap also some embarrassment. We like fairness in our species, not the whiteness of the other; there’s such a world of difference between the two, a whole other language of being. Whiteness works best for an Indian when it informs a lighter shade of your own kind.

    In home after home, the Indian in London loves to show off white friends, but never quite a white spouse

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  409. Look Indians.

    Face it. Virtually no real alpha male whites are gonna go vegetarian for you. So we ain’t gonna marry you if you’re veggie by conviction, or if we do, we’ll soon become profoundly disillusioned with you.

    You could find a tiny number who are down and stay down. That’s it.

    Vegetarianism is for serfs.

    NOT for alpha males, or rulers ANYWHERE. It’s a serf, subordinate, self denying, persuasion.

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  410. Horseman: First of all, I’m sorry I suck. Second, I honestly think I understand Game, whether you believe me or not. It’s possible you haven’t read all of my blogposts (which is your prerogative, of course). But I recommend (before you trash me again) that you read my latest: “Welcome to the Jungle” http://mustardseednovel.blogspot.com/2009/08/welcome-to-jungle.html

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  411. Todd:

    At a minimum, you should read both The Mystery Method and the Magic Bullets game manuals, and then probably Neil Strauss’ The Game, before you even _begin_ to discuss what game is or is not.

    Roger Devlin’s three major essays on human sexual behavior are here:
    http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/articles-by-f-roger-devlin/

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  412. Oh give me a break, Thursday. That’s like saying: “You haven’t read Das Kapital? Then you’re in no position to discuss communism.” Btw, I’ve read most of Devlin, and I find him very insightful.

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  413. Todd
    You do not deserve the slightest break until you show some evidence have that you understand, at least a little bit, of the main subject of the blog you have chosen to hang out in.

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  414. Todd:

    If you aren’t willing to even _read_ the most basic material then you are not a person worth debating with. It’s like trying to have a debate with someone about the nature of Islam without them having read the Koran, especially as by your comments here you have demonstrated quite clearly that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Given that, it’s fundamentally unserious of you to ask Roissy to debate you.

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  415. Todd White:

    I honestly think I understand Game, whether you believe me or not. It’s possible you haven’t read all of my blogposts (which is your prerogative, of course). But I recommend (before you trash me again) that you read my latest: “Welcome to the Jungle”

    In your post, you write: “There are better alternatives to Game.” I’m curious what exactly you have in mind when you talk about these “alternatives.” I honestly have trouble imagining what it could be except either something clueless, or something that boils down to the practical application of some aspects of game that are frequently discussed in forums like this one.

    The only clue in your post is when you write: “I believe that men should be confident and happy with themselves, and that eventually (maybe not instantly) that confidence and happiness will attract the right mate.” That, however, is easier said than done. When faced with a history of rejection and contempt from women, the normal human response is to become bitter, unhappy with oneself, and lacking self-confidence. You’re perfectly correct that by fixing that state of mind, a man can dramatically improve his standing with women, although here you’re just reinventing the wheel called “inner game.”

    An even greater problem, however, is that you provide no practical guide whatsoever to a man who wants to accomplish this goal. It’s easy to just say “be confident and happy.” What’s difficult is to come up with a practical way of overcoming one’s fears, insecurities, and negative attitudes; humans can’t just reprogram their mental state at will. Whether you like it or not, game is the only thing around that offers men some hope at achieving this goal, whereas you offer only vague and abstract advice that offers no practical guide for action. Unless, of course, you have something more to say about this that you haven’t talked about so far.

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  416. Rum: Oh my God, dude, you are dense! Yes, I understand Game! How many essays that I’ve written about Game do I need to send you? 10? 15? Give me a number.

    Thursday: Think about what you just said. You’re saying, I can’t have an opinion about the threat of Islamic terrorism without reading the Koran first? By that standard, how many people in America would be qualified to have an opinion?

    Guys, look: Justifying myself to you was mildly amusing at first, but now it’s getting irritating. If you want to debate me on the specific issues pertaining to Game, fine. But don’t tell me I’m not qualified to participate in the debate. I am. Just like every single breathing person in this discussion room.

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  417. But don’t tell me I’m not qualified to participate in the debate. I am.

    You’re amateur hour performance here suggests otherwise.

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  418. Your not You’re

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  419. on August 26, 2009 at 2:58 am The Fifth Horseman

    Todd White wrote :

    Yes, I understand Game! How many essays that I’ve written about Game do I need to send you? 10? 15? Give me a number.

    You do not. You really do not.

    As I have told you elsewhere, forget Roissy for the time being and go read approachanxiety.com and askjdog.com.

    Both are Game blogs, that have no vulgarity or ‘a-hole’ tenor that you so despise. You still seem to think that Game is somehow deceptive, immoral, or ‘encourages promiscuity and hedonism’.

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  420. on August 26, 2009 at 3:02 am The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1 wrote :

    Face it. Virtually no real alpha male whites are gonna go vegetarian for you.

    Wait, what is this now? I don’t think most Indians are expecting any converts. Remember that in India, Sikhs, Muslims, and some Hindus eat meat. Some jungle tribes even eat other people.

    Vegetarianism is for serfs. NOT for alpha males, or rulers ANYWHERE. It’s a serf, subordinate, self denying, persuasion.

    I don’t think one has anything to do with the other. I am not a vegetarian.

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  421. That made me chuckle, Thursday. Thanks.

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  422. on August 26, 2009 at 3:08 am The Fifth Horseman

    I maintain that Game is exclusively the province of Outside the Box Thinkers (OBTs).

    80% of men, and 99.9% of women, will never, ever comprehend what Game is. You might as well go to the middle ages and try to explain to people there why the Earth is a sphere.

    In this epic debate, I have done a tremendous amount to get Todd White to grasp Game. Now if he goes ahead and reads the things I pointed him to or not, is up to him.

    But only some people can be OTBs. Not everyone can. That is the lesson here.

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  423. Todd
    There is no evidence, at all, that you understand any part of game. None. Fuck All.
    You sound like a 14 year old Mormon from Park City.
    Being as that is not a crime, exactly, you can remain at large but grown ups have generally learned thru long experience that 14 yr olds are bad advisors.

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  424. Vladimir: You are correct that I have spent too much time exposing the flaws of Game and not enough time articulating a positive alternative. Hopefully, this post can move the conversation in a new and better direction. So what do I advocate? That’s the million-dollar question. Well, that’s hard to explain in a single blog comment, but here’s a few thoughts to get the discussion started: First, I’m not sure how familiar you are with Objectivism, but I’m probably about 90% an Objectivist, so Ayn Rand’s philosophy in which men (and women) are encouraged to see themselves (and – if necessary – REcreate themselves) as rational, self-interested, self-confident beings with integrity has major applications for dating, marriage, and romance. As a person gradually adopts and applies Objectivism, their self-confidence increases become they realize how truly capable they are to master life (after all, everything they need to master life is inside their head – their rational mind). As their self-confidence increases, their happiness increases, and they are more likely to attract a worthy mate (and not such a one-night stand in a bar). But while I am 90% an Objectivist, most Objectivists wouldn’t accept me as such because I’m also a person of faith, and that extra dimension of faith bolsters the rational, moral Objectivist foundation.

    For more, I’d recommend 2 of my essays: First, “The Philosophy of Heather Manning” which is really MY philosophy. Next is “Sex and Love in Modern Society.” Scroll to the bottom where I ask: “What is my advice to hopeless romantics?’ That provides a few more specifics about what I believe in terms of how men should behave, especially when it comes to pursuing women. Links:

    http://mustardseednovel.blogspot.com/2008/12/philosophy-of-heather-manning.html

    http://mustardseednovel.blogspot.com/2009/08/sex-love-and-marriage-in-modern-society.html

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  425. Rum: I’m a 29-year old who lived in Manhattan for 17 years, has lived in DC for the last 8 years, and (with the exception of weddings and funerals) has attended a grand total of 3 church services in my whole life. Other than that, you nailed me perfectly!

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  426. Horseman: You describe Game like a religion. That’s one of the reasons I find it distasteful.

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  427. on August 26, 2009 at 3:42 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Todd White :

    I’m a 29-year old who lived in Manhattan for 17 years, has lived in DC for the last 8 years,

    You lived in Manhattan for 17 years and still are this clueless about Game? What a waste.

    We have people here who live in Indonesia, India, Japan, etc. who still eke out a happy set of relationships with women there.

    Yet, you lived in the place where the truths of Game are the most visible, and opportunities to improve one’s live through Game are the greatest, and you still don’t get it?

    Forcing a gay guy to spend a year in the Playboy mansion would be less of a waste.

    Dude, read everything that the 5th Horseman wrote to you, both here and on In Mala Fide. If you can’t get it then, you never will, nor can you expect anyone in the Game community to waste any time on someone who refuses to see that he does not know of what he speaks.

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  428. on August 26, 2009 at 3:50 am The Fifth Horseman

    Vladimir wrote :

    In your post, you write: “There are better alternatives to Game.” I’m curious what exactly you have in mind when you talk about these “alternatives.”

    With that one extraordinarily revealing sentence, Todd White shows that he has no clue at all.

    Game, by its very nature, assimilates whatever works the very best. Game is adaptive and a living body of knowledge. If any better element to tackle a particular obstacle comes along, Game will assimilate it. Mystery will revise MM, others will adapt as well, etc. There were earlier versions of Game without negs or seductive poetry elements. When these tactics were found to be effective, Game assimilated them.

    To say “there are better alternatives to Game” is about as logical as to say “there are better alternatives to money” or “there are better alternatives to clothing”.

    Todd White wrote :

    Horseman: You describe Game like a religion. That’s one of the reasons I find it distasteful

    Not at all. It is your opposition to what you clearly do not understand, that is a religion. So you are projecting.

    When are you going to admit that Game can strengthen existing marriages that were on the brink of divorce, which Roissy applauds?

    You said Game is about hedonism and promiscuity. I have linked to solid evidence that it is not. Now the question is, will you revise your fall perception, or avoid it in order to cling to your pseudo-moral posturing?

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  429. Arpagus

    There was a lot of bad media coverage some weeks ago of a paper about women getting more beautiful. The author, Markus Jokela, has written a rebuttal of all the misrepresentation:

    http://blogs.helsinki.fi/mmjokela/women-are-getting-more-beautiful-getting-the-story-right/

    One of the things they got wrong is believing there is no scientific basis to attractiveness, just like you. Scroll down to point 4 of the rebuttal, where Jokela cites studies showing that beauty is not all in the eye of the beholder. Not only is there strong agreement both within and across cultures about who is and who is not attractive, but these preferences emerge too early to be cultural and so they clearly have some biological basis. Beauty is definitely not 100% subjective, especially facial attractiveness. Weight is more variable, but since men prefer heavier women in societies where food is scarce and fat/high BMI is an indicator of health/physical well-being, that is not really all subjective, either.

    You are talking about a different subject. I am talking about the notion that Joe Random can assign a specific numeric value to Jane Random’s attractiveness, and that this numeric value is objectively correct and therefore anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong, as if they had just went to the Bahamas and announced that the temperature is -20 C. I’d like to see the science behind these arbitrary numbers.

    I haven’t said that there isn’t a scientific basis to attraction, but for all intents and purposes it is subjective, because nobody can claim “this woman is extremely attractive and if you disagree you are wrong.”

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  430. Tokyo

    stop trolling and go shoot random people in your neighbourhood

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  431. Mu’min: You call my life a “waste.” By what standard is my life a “waste?” As I’ve mentioned before (without trying to brag), I’ve had good success with women I like romantically, and am currently engaged. So where’s the “waste?” I encourage you to re-check your premises.

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  432. Todd White wants only one thing here. Promote his book.

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  433. Gig: Where on this entire thread have I promoted my book? Tell me.

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  434. gig

    stop trolling and go shoot random people in your neighbourhood

    How can I stop something I have never started? Where is your evidence to prove that I have engaged in trolling? And why would I go shoot random people?

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  435. Overall, The Mustard Seed is a gripping, emotionally-riveting novel that is finding a wide audience among young people, spiritual seekers, and intellectuals

    I dont believe the “wide”, but I do believe that you consider those three groups to be your targets In promoting your book. Thus you came here.

    Regulars here now that there is a giant blogosphere attached to Roissy, of people who post here and link to their blogs. Not a single one is worth visiting daily, but many are well worth a weekly visit

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  436. Gig: You’re quoting from my blog. I never posted that here. If you’re going to debate me, do so in a constructive spirit of good faith.

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  437. Todd

    my point was made. I cannot dissociate anything you post from your personal interest in promoting your book in a blog that is by and large read by exactly your target groups.

    Consider that bad faith from my part if you wish

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  438. Gig: I’m not allowed to have an opinion on something I have a personal and professional interest in? that’s interesting. by the way, i’m still waiting to be debated on the merits of Game, instead of responding to personal attacks. i guess i’ll be waiting a while.

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  439. Todd,

    for someone who does not have the time to read all that you have written on the subject, please briefly state exacrly what is you take on the merits of game.

    do you believe that game does not work or that it is not something the average man can master? or do you think that it works, but its use cheapens and demeans both the relationships it facilitates and the man who uses it?

    in short, is your objection to game a positive or a normative one?

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  440. JR: I encourage you to visit my blog and peruse my latest entries on the subject. But here’s the cliff notes version: “Game is not the answer because it fosters an attitude in which men objectify women, casual sex is excused or even encouraged, and as it pertains to married couples, it doesn’t facilitate the emotional, spiritual connection that is the key to true happiness. Of course, knowledge is power, and it is worth knowing what makes women ‘tick’ inside. But that’s independent of Game, which has – for whatever reason – morphed into a chauvinistic pseudo-religion among the men who preach its gospel. The bottom line is: There are better alternatives to Game.”

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  441. todd,

    ok. i think i understand. now, let’s take the next step.

    let’s take Game and split it into two compenents. The first will retain the name of “game” and be defined as a system of attracting women based on the inisghts of a popular understanding of evolutionary psychology and biology. the second, which we will call the “roissy world view”, has to do with the application of game in support of obtaining and maintaining one’s alpha dominance in relationships and social situations in general.

    since you give value to the idea of “knowing what makes women ‘tick'”, i assume that your objections have more to do with the roissy world view than with game as a simple tool for attraction. is this correct?

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  442. on August 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm Black Military Man

    Doug 1, you don’t have to worry about going veg for any vegetarian Indian woman. She won’t want you. Vegetarian Indians desire OTHER vegetarian INDIANS. They are not generally not in the market for non-veg whites – at all.

    Indians have kept their culture in tact over many, many thousans of years moreso than any other culture I’ve seen on this planet. They are more into themselves and their own culture than any other people I’ve ever met.

    The Indians that tend to marry outside of their culture/ethnicity are usually meat-eating Indians anyway, with a few exceptions.

    Indians see marrying anyone outside of their ethnic background/culture/religion/caste as “marrying down”.

    Most Indians I have met, young or old, feel their culture and way of life is superior to all others. In some ways it is, so I don’t begrudge them that.

    RE: “True. The Dalits in India had more ‘freedom’, but that doesn’t do a lot of good when they get maybe 4 meals a week (rather than the 21 that a person would like to have). ”

    Poverity runs the gamut of castes in India, as does wealth.

    For every Dalit on 4 meals a week, there will be a poor Brahmin family on perhaps 3.

    (Traditionally, Brahmins were supposed to be “poor” anyway).

    For every Ksyatriya on 21 rich meals a week, there will be a shudra on 40.

    Caste is indeed still counted for in India, not just amongst the brahmins. Every single arranged marriage that takes place in that country takes place according to caste, as well as religion and linguistic backround, socio-economic status and education.

    Its a magnificent system and its just too bad we here in the West cannot replicate it.

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  443. JR: I’m fine with studying biology (I’m a science buff, myself), but from what I’ve been reading, it seems that a lot of guys are drawing the wrong conclusions from biology (as explained by “Game”), while neglecting some other very important facts about women that have very little connection to biology (the idea that EVERYTHING in life can be explained by biology is reductionist, and I am not a reductionist). I posted this on Ferdinand’s website last night, but its worth repeating here. “When you say it like that, Game sounds very innocuous, even beneficial. But as conservatives, we know you can’t judge something by its intentions, you judge them by their RESULTS. I can’t speak for you, or every single person who comments here, but I’ve read enough of Game through Roissy, Ferdinand, and Mystery to know that Game does more harm than good.” Why? See my post above.

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  444. todd,

    i was trying to separate two different aspects of game; one as an empirical understanding of the mechanics of attraction, and the other as a normative set of behaviors that follow from those empirical observations. you seem resistant to this and i imagine it’s because you believe that the two can’t be separated. if that is the case, then let me say that i do not agree with that. the two may be difficult to separate, but far from impossible.

    the best example that comes to mind is gun control. gun control advocates dismiss guns as tools of violence, and in one sense they are correct. that view, however, makes no allowances for the multitude of people who use guns in perfectly lawful, ethical, and peaceful ways. so it is with game.

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  445. Todd White–

    Game has been amply demonstrated to work in attracting hot women.

    You loosely imagined philosophical “alternative” hasn’t, much less in a fully competitive fashion.

    Game wins. You lose. It’s really that simple.

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  446. Black Military Man

    The bizaro and heavily self constructed feministx is clearly looking for a white husband. She has I believe said she’s from a Brahmin family.

    I have asked her if she’s a vegetarian herself. She has yet to answer.

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  447. on August 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Most Indians I have met, young or old, feel their culture and way of life is superior to all others.

    Don’t mistake xenophobia for a superiority complex. Indians are quick to distance themselves from many aspects of Indian culture, once they leave. They will be selective on what they keep and what they don’t keep.

    Every single arranged marriage that takes place in that country takes place according to caste, as well as religion and linguistic backround, socio-economic status and education.

    The ‘caste’ part is wrong. Not a single Indian goes around saying that they are ‘Kshatriya’ caste or ‘Vaishya’ caste.

    Brahmins do this, but again, anyone can claim to be any caste, and unless you know the family going back generations, you cannot prove or disprove the claim.

    Brahmins are not a ‘ruling’ caste, nor are they usually wealthy. The professor/minister/cleric function is what they occupy, which has high status.

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  448. on August 26, 2009 at 1:36 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1,

    The bizaro and heavily self constructed feministx is clearly looking for a white husband. She has I believe said she’s from a Brahmin family.

    I have asked her if she’s a vegetarian herself. She has yet to answer.

    She is NOT representative of other Indians. But many elements of the behavior of her and other Indians stems from the fact that Indian culture keeps Indians at a level of knowledge about human sexuality comparable to a 12 year old. Indian culture has an elaborate structure of making the whole subject taboo, which leads to many Indians having a huge vacuum of knowledge on the subject.

    Remember this, and the behavior of many of them makes sense.

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  449. on August 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm msexceptiontotherule

    gunz – the only thing that I don’t like about the tea ceremony is..the tea. I’ve never been able to drink more than 2 sips without wanting to make a face and spit it back into the cup. Although only 2 sips isn’t considered a bad thing when you’re going through the ceremony, mostly because it’s viewed as not being a typical American. I can handle the sleeves that desperately want to get in the way, the exact manner that you must use to get into the ‘sitting position’, etc; those things are much easier when it’s tatami, not carpet.

    And I don’t do videos, unless they’re surveillance, but that means I’m not actually *in* the video. But I can see anything and anyone approaching my home, and if I want I can switch the tv and view from that. I can also install a ceiling fan and have it stay where it’s supposed to be AND still work more than a year later – unless the height of the ceiling makes it impossible for me. =)

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  450. on August 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm Black Military Man

    “The ‘caste’ part is wrong. Not a single Indian goes around saying that they are ‘Kshatriya’ caste or ‘Vaishya’ caste.”

    Indian marriages ARE INDEED arranged according to caste.

    People may not go around talking about their caste at work or in school or amongst their friends, but they all marry within their own caste. The exception is “love marriages”.

    I suggest you pick up a ToI or Hindustan Times and check the “matrimonials”. Without exception all the ads mention caste. Even the ones that don’t care about caste mention caste in the term “caste no bar”.

    Heck, some people (the parents placing the ads) are so bold as to even mention dowry in their ads (and dowry is illegal in India).

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  451. Todd White’s blog postings are remarkably consistent with my own views, but far better articulated.

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  452. Todd White,

    I am familiar with Objectivism, and I also read the two posts to which you linked. Frankly, I don’t see much of value in your philosophy. It seems to me like an attempt to solve the problems of Randianism by smoothing out some of its most outlandish, irrational, and bizzarely anti-human aspects, but I think such a program is inherently akin to putting lipstick on a pig. Please don’t take this personally — I’m merely reporting my honest opinion on what I read there.

    As for the advice you have for men, I can only say that once you strip the vague and content-free parts of it, you’re either saying nothing useful or just stating simple facts that are well-known to anyone familiar with the basic concepts of game. Any useful advice you have boils down to picking and choosing some aspects of the existing conventional wisdom of game, even if you’re reinventing that stuff yourself. (An example is your reinventing of the concept of “inner game” on which I commented above.)

    You can of course be disgusted by some popular game techniques and find them inherently sleazy or dishonorable, and you can have a low opinion of some of its prominent practitioners. I sure do. Yet, you don’t seem to understand that on the whole, game is a body of objective, empirically tested knowledge about the mechanisms of male/female attraction — and chances are that anything useful that you have to say about the topic has already been studied and elaborated on in the context of game. This is why it’s silly to insist that you have some advice that represents a “better alternative to game.” That’s like saying that you’ve developed a new approach to accounting that’s based on a “better alternative to arithmetics.” At best, you can argue that men should eschew some game techniques and practice others, and that game should be put to more honorable goals than is now commonly done, but that’s far short of the sweeping and self-confident statements you’ve been making so far.

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  453. Vladimir: I appreciate you taking the time to read my 2 essays, although I regret that you didn’t get anything out of them. Using my philosophy, I’ve had success when it comes to women, so by that standard, at least, I don’t feel any compulsion to start using “Game,” and I doubt I ever will. I’m not sure what else to say.

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  454. tood I like when you make comments about India or Indian culture. what caste is your family from?

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  455. Todd White:

    Using my philosophy, I’ve had success when it comes to women, so by that standard, at least, I don’t feel any compulsion to start using “Game,” and I doubt I ever will. I’m not sure what else to say.

    My main point is that if you’ve had success with women using your philosophy, then it’s extremely unlikely that the elements of your philosophy that are truly effective in this regard aren’t just a reinvention of things that have already been identified and discussed in the game community long ago (under different names and without the philosophical packaging, of course). This is why you’re most likely wrong when you present yourself as having a “better alternative to game.” You are underestimating the breadth of knowledge that’s been accumulated in the game community so far, and you’re also underestimating how much of it is entirely unrelated to the sleazy, nihilistic, manipulative, and dishonorable attitudes and techniques that you so detest.

    Can you give one single example of a situation where your philosophy provides practical guidelines that, according to you, aren’t covered by the basic principles of game? I’d really like to hear it.

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  456. TJF:

    You are talking about a different subject. I am talking about the notion that Joe Random can assign a specific numeric value to Jane Random’s attractiveness, and that this numeric value is objectively correct and therefore anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong, as if they had just went to the Bahamas and announced that the temperature is -20 C. I’d like to see the science behind these arbitrary numbers.

    I haven’t said that there isn’t a scientific basis to attraction, but for all intents and purposes it is subjective, because nobody can claim “this woman is extremely attractive and if you disagree you are wrong.”

    I am not talking about a different subject. If you agree there is a scientific basis to attraction, then you must also agree it can be quantified somehow, say on a 1-10 scale. We can’t say anybody is “wrong” for disagreeing about a particular woman’s attractiveness, but we can say their taste is idiosyncratic if it is far from the consensus. That consensus is not arbitrary and I already pointed you to the science behind it.

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  457. dana is that was TK was doing while mary jo kopechne lay dying in a sinking car?

    he killed a fuckin WOMAN and you and most other women could care less

    less

    What do you mean I could care less?

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  458. Ruby revealed:

    I’d be highly interested in a public debate between Roissy and Todd White.

    no fair
    America
    hates Whites

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  459. chic

    it is amazing to me that anyone could see the death of a man who callously allowed a woman to die while he made phonecalls to ensure the scandal wouldn’t stick to him as anything deserving respect, moment of silence, whatever.

    this is because i am not religious, i would imagine

    as to examples of men doing things deserving of getting hit–i think we aren’t understanding each other for a change.

    i meant–men do things to OTHER MEN all of the time which result in them getting hit, and they aren;t surprised when it happens. as to whether they do things to deserve women hitting them, sure i guess–but as they are bigger, stronger and more able to take a womens punch to the jaw and then beat her to death, women rarely choose that option.

    i would love to talk to you about any of these things but your writing style often precludes me even being able to understand what you are trying to say. this is likely a defect on my part, try being very very clear and remember you are speaking to someone that shares none of your premises, so words that are freighted with meaning for you may mean something else to me

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  460. Re Doug & Fifth Horseman’s discussion of Indian culture

    My parents don’t eat meat oweing to cultural practises. My mother only recently turned vegetarian however, and preceding this change, did eat chicken, fish, etc. but no beef or pork. My father, when they first got married DID eat beef & pork, and whilst she never partook in the practise herself DID indeed cook it for him.

    They never forced a particular diet upon me. I still have a mild cultural aversion to beef and pork, but didn’t object to keeping it around if anyone I dated (read: every person I dated) ate it. Just won’t eat the stuff myself.

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  461. Msx,

    The best thing I about the tea ceremony is the tea.

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  462. as to whether they do things to deserve women hitting them, sure i guess–
    Dare to list a few examples please please please dana 🙂

    but as they are bigger, stronger and more able to take a womens punch to the jaw and then beat her to death, women rarely choose that option.

    So women should cower in fear of men because men are larger and stronger? I swear stuff like this makes me detest men(no offense guys). the BS of being female.

    @dana- if it was david duke, I would ask for a few days for his body to cool.

    I would love to talk to you about any of these things but your writing style often precludes me even being able to understand what you are trying to say.

    Ah, yes. I’m too lazy to take the time to properly compose. I do clean it up a bit for this site, I normally post in text speak.

    this is likely a defect on my part,

    me 65% you 35%

    try being very very clear and remember you are speaking to someone that shares none of your premises, so words that are freighted with meaning for you may mean something else to me

    You’re right. I’ll try to cut down on the slang unless commenting to someone who understands.

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  463. Sofia

    Re Doug & Fifth Horseman’s discussion of Indian culture

    My parents don’t eat meat oweing to cultural practises.

    good to see ’em fitting right in to the good ole USA. hey dont forget to tell ’em the speed limit isn’t 35 mph on the freeway mmkay

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  464. “but as they are bigger, stronger and more able to take a womens punch to the jaw and then beat her to death, women rarely choose that option.

    So women should cower in fear of men because men are larger and stronger? I swear stuff like this makes me detest men(no offense guys). the BS of being female.”

    OK good this is classic and i have an amenable woman to discuss it with

    lots of times when im speaking to women and certain yech types of men, i will describe how something IS, to which they immediately respond “OH!! so thats how it SHOULD BE????HUH?1!!!?!11?!!”

    i pointed out men can typically kill women effortlessly so women rarely get physical with them. “should” women cower in fear? i dont know–i guess they should do whatever they think they can handle the results of. wanna mouth of to some guy til he beats you to a pulp, go for it–maybe you have a gun and the will to defend yourself, i don’t know.

    doesnt change the facts on the ground. why detest men for this? if you trigger a man’s aggression/testosterone/adrenaline, you better be prepared for the results

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  465. Dana pointed out men can typically kill women effortlessly so women rarely get physical with them.

    Oh I don’t doubt this dana. I mentioned many times that DA who is both shorter and lighter than myself, could beat the brakes off of me without much effort.

    if you trigger a man’s aggression/testosterone/adrenaline, you better be prepared for the results

    Dana, some men are triggered when women they find attractive doesn’t want to talk to him.

    i> doesnt change the facts on the ground. Why detest men for this

    Because they have a freedom that I don’t have. The average man doesn’t understand what the average woman goes thru on a daily bases. BTW I’m not one of those women who dresses scantly, I keep most of my parts covered.

    “OH!! so thats how it SHOULD BE????HUH?1!!!?!11?!!”
    That was a question, not a statement(from me anyway).

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  466. chic noir

    So women should cower in fear of men because men are larger and stronger? I swear stuff like this makes me detest men(no offense guys). the BS of being female.

    No. They should be feminine towards men they are intimate with rather than an in their face feminist bitch, or a deeply hurting adultress.

    The truth that feminists don’t want out there is that women virtually never get hit even by thuggish men unless they either cheat on him, make him think they’re likely cheating or about to do so, or more frequently, get extremely emotionally cutting and super bitch in his face.

    When men could beat women largely with impunity below the threshold of permanently injuring her for cheating, women did it a lot less. Particularly women in the lower half did.

    Women in the upper reaches of society were more contrained by the prospect of financial ruin, since they could be thrown of of the house, divorced with very little settlement beyond what she’d brought to the marriage if that, and very little or no ongoing support. Oh and at his option, without taking the children with her. And being socially shamed.

    yeah that’s how it should be. Patriarchy.

    Not the horrid if/when married today matriarchy, or matriarchy by force of law, if she so chooses, and divorces him, or if unmarried (or married by planning a divorce) ambushes him with a not consented to pregnancy.

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  467. It also needs to be borne in mind that men are heavily, heavily programmed to NOT hit women in anger. I mean a *lot* of programming, and this programming is not new, it is been steadily programmed for quite some time now. Some men, of course, are naturally abusive. But most men are not, and before they get to the point of putting their fist through the wall (specifically to avoid hitting the wife) or pounding on the kitchen table for the same reason, or even actually smacking her, they have blown through quite a few “internal stops” to get there. I’m not saying women deserve to be hit — not at all. But rather that women need to be aware that their words can have a very, very high anxiety raising effect on men.

    A recent book titled “You Still Don’t Understand” goes into studies by marriage researcher John Gottman which demonstrate that men, in marital disputes, get emotionally flooded much, much faster than women do — in other words, they get *much* more stressed from conflict than women do, and can get so stressed that those “internal stops” get blown through. Of course, we should continue to encourage men to listen to their stops, and not blow past them. But we also need to encourage women to be cognizant of the impact of their words, and take responsibility for that, and understand the impact they are having on their husbands (I honestly think most women have no clue how stressed men get when their wives are attacking them verbally, because according to these studies, women simply get much less stressed in marital disputes than men do).

    If we want to be serious about cutting back on DV, we need to look at the whole context, not just the part where the blows start to fall. There is a dysfunctional context, typically, in which that happens –> either a plainly dysfunctional relationship or, perhaps, a wife who plainly has no clue of her impact on her husband (or on any other man, probably). People need to understand the whole context, and not just one part of it. We’ve spent billions on DV reduction programs addressing that one part of it and we’re failing in flying colors. The DV industry’s assumptions are wrong, and if we are serious about cutting down on DV, they need to be called on that, and we need to look at more holistic approaches.

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  468. doug get extremely emotionally cutting and super bitch in his face.

    This isn’t something that I do personally and it troubles me when I see women daring men to take a swing at them. I don’t really care for confrontation in the non e-world unless I’m protecting someone else. I also have a tendency to feel guilty about things after the fact so I’m pretty chill.

    One thing chick will do to a man when I’m pissed(not often) is the freeze 👿

    doug When men could beat women largely with impunity below the threshold of permanently injuring her for cheating, women did it a lot less

    A lot of cheating, and it ain’t much, from women is preemptive cheating. Most women aren’t sitting around thinking about cheating on their boyfriends. Sure, we sometimes fantasize about other men but most just leave it at that.

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  469. “But we also need to encourage women to be cognizant of the impact of their words, and take responsibility for that, and understand the impact they are having on their husbands (I honestly think most women have no clue how stressed men get when their wives are attacking them verbally, because according to these studies, women simply get much less stressed in marital disputes than men do).”

    nova this is so true and again NO ONE is telling women these things. women have absolutely no idea what a decent normal man has gone through in his head before he finally snaps and hits her.

    i am indebted to my husband for being the first man ever to tell me the truth about men. one of the reasons i love this site’s comments is talking to everyone here is like talking to him

    women need to hear the truth

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  470. The freeze even works on cats. look and learn.

    See how happy the cat is by the end of the video 🙂 sometimes you have to teach people how to treat you.

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  471. You know what? White women who hate Asian women are the exact same thing as any kind of woman who hates on you for porking women who are substantially younger than you. Fundamentally it’s jealousy that you have more options than their skanky old asses. This came up in another forum about Roissy porking hot young Rooskies. I pointed out that, in fact, the last girl who touched my monkey was 1/2 my age, and all the old hags freaked: FREAKED out. It was hilarious. No, I’m not attracted to 19 year olds because of some “power differential” or because they’re young and it’s easier (duh: the opposite is true) -it’s because their tits don’t sag. Duh.

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  472. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

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  473. dana has a softy side too 🙂

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  474. novaseeker

    I’m not saying women deserve to be hit — not at all.

    Why not, in extreme or fairly extreme circumstances, as opposed to any little irritation?

    I was as programmed by upbringing as anyone not to do so. You’re right that this was progammed into men in the anglosphere, certainly by families with any pretentions of respectability, long before 2nd wave full bore feminism became widespread beginning in the 1970s.

    However I’ve done a lot of rethinking lately.

    It’s still not the classiest or best solution, especially if you’re supposed to be a high status classy guy. As well there is the current law and the powers it gives her.

    But why should it? Why should women be so protected no matter what they do from the physical dominance of the male she’s chosen to be intimate with?

    It seems to me it should not be anything like the absolute that it’s become under feminism, building upon the less absolutist and also more class based precepts of Anglosphere chivalry which preceded it.

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  475. chic i have a very soft heart and a very tough writing style and politics– i really am a girl lol, i promise

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  476. Yeah I understand where you are coming from, but I just don’t think men and women should be hitting each other in anger — probably my programming, but so it is. As you know, I’m somewhat less radical than you are on some of these issues.

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  477. doug

    feminism had to combat “domestic abuse” because by encouraging women to act like mouthy,shameless whores no matter what their relationship status they CAUSED an unprecedented wave of violence.

    i am convinced this is the root of the ostensible rise in DV, formally only the lowest class slattern mouthed off to her man and acted like a “hussy” now EVERY woman of every class does and men are being pushed to the breaking point like never before

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  478. formally=formerly

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  479. This video is 10x worse. The cat is almost begging. Please dana, please. I’m sorry I don’t know what I did. Just pay me some attention.

    Most people of either gender can’t handle the freeze for extended periods of time. They will break, even if they aren’t at fault.

    @lupo- I don’t have a problem with it just know there is another side to the puzzle. some esp younger women, don’t find grey pubs exciting.

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  480. on August 26, 2009 at 6:47 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Black Military Man,

    Indian marriages ARE INDEED arranged according to caste.

    No they aren’t. The problem is your misunderstanding of the word ‘caste’.

    Marriages are arranged within ethnic subsects (Gujrati Patel, Gujrati Vaishnav, Jat Sikh, Tamil, Rajput, etc.) which are the terms you will see in those adds. Those are geographical/cultural subsets in India.

    It is analogous to a Baptist not wanting to marry an Episcopalian or Methodist, or a Ukrainian Orthodox not wanting to marry an Italian Catholic. That is the correct analogy.

    That is not the same thing as ‘caste’.

    Caste is (or rather was) a segmentation by profession, of which there were only 4 in the old days : professor/priest/monk (Brahmin), military/monarch (Kshatriya), Commerce (Vaishya), and labor (Shudra).

    That is what caste was about.

    Don’t confuse ‘caste’ with ‘ethno-cultural subgroup’.

    People may not go around talking about their caste at work or in school or amongst their friends, but they all marry within their own caste. The exception is “love marriages”.

    Replace the word ‘caste’ with ‘ethno/cultural/geographic subgroup’, and that sentence is 100% correct. But ‘caste’ is a different thing that does not really apply in India today (because there are many more than just 4 professions), except for a few Brahmins trying to gain currency off of it (much like an Italian-American guy would like to hint that he knows the mafia, just for social prestige).

    You know an impressive amount about India for a non-Indian, but don’t get so cocky that you can lecture me about it (I know more than 99% of Indians, about India). It would be like me lecturing you about the subtle details of the experiences of black American GIs in VietNam.

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  481. chic noir

    A lot of cheating, and it ain’t much, from women is preemptive cheating. Most women aren’t sitting around thinking about cheating on their boyfriends. Sure, we sometimes fantasize about other men but most just leave it at that.

    Women’s cheating is only “not much” in the retelling of Hollywood.

    The younger cohorts of women are now reporting cheating at nearly as high levels as men are. Given that it’s been shown that women misrepresent down their number of sexual partners by significant amounts (such as reporting half as many often, and that’s not getting to the really high number girls), it’s even more likely that women are greatly understanding their cheating, which is even more traditionally frowned upon for women to do, and given how it’s still thought that women do much less.

    So probably among gen Y marrieds and gen X as well, women are cheating more than men. It’s sure as hell a lot easier for women to cheat with attractive members of the opposite sex. As well, women know they can much more easily hide their cheating from their spouse than the reverse. In part because men still believe it’s much rarer in women; in part because women will often not have to pay for the expenses of their cheating themselves; in part because there’s no cultural encouragement for men to “snoop” on their wives or disprespect her privacy, while there’s abundant media and other social permission for wives to be vigiliant about their husband’s possible cheating in just these ways; in part because women’s intuition is on average a lot better and certainly better socially trained in these areas than men’s is; and finally but significantly because men are made to feel by society that if their woman is cheating it’s probably in large part their own fault for not being man enough for her. Or irritating her too much. Or being too controlling. Or not paying enought attention to her. And on and on.

    Whereas if a man cheats our society considers that it’s because men are dogs by nature and that man didn’t control himself, which is his absolute obligation, irregardless of what his wife did or didn’t do, so long as he remains married to her.

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  482. dana–

    feminism had to combat “domestic abuse” because by encouraging women to act like mouthy,shameless whores no matter what their relationship status they CAUSED an unprecedented wave of violence.

    i am convinced this is the root of the ostensible rise in DV, formally only the lowest class slattern mouthed off to her man and acted like a “hussy” now EVERY woman of every class does and men are being pushed to the breaking point like never before

    I absolutely agree with this dana.

    Actually I think this started with proto feminism, but got much worse with full bore feminism being preached everywhere by the mainstream by the 80s.

    Sometimes feminists even half acknowledge this has played a role, in their own twisted way.

    Coming from them it’s that many unevolved men are STILL unable or unwilling to handle a confidant, assertive, strong and equal woman, and lash out as they feel their evil patriarchal world disappearing. Or formulations like that, usually not packing all that in there at once.

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  483. *lays head on nova right shoulder why messaging his left shoulder*

    it’s platonic default

    You’re always so sensible novaseeker.

    A recent book titled “You Still Don’t Understand” goes into studies by marriage researcher John Gottman which demonstrate that men, in marital disputes, get emotionally flooded much, much faster than women do — in other words, they get *much* more stressed from conflict than women do

    Thi,s I can believe without a doubt. Women have more outlets for letting off steam. We can go to each other, family, books etc.. Most men find it hard to let loose because you’ve been nurtured to hold things in. Also, your male friends will laugh at you.
    and for some reason, nature, we just naturally don’t hold onto things the same way you guys do.

    Nova and can get so stressed that those “internal stops” get blown through

    My biggest fear.

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  484. on August 26, 2009 at 6:58 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Black Military Man,

    Let me put it this way. There were only 4 castes in India, as there were only 4 professions in pre-modern times. Since people carried on their father’s profession, no one could really change their caste much.

    From those Indian matrimonial ads you see, you can tell that there are MUCH more then 4 ethno-cultural subgroups. Much more than 40, even. There are Tier 1 divisions (Punjabi, Gujrati) and Tier 2 subsets (Jat Punjabi, Arora Punjabi, Gujrati Vaishnav, Guijrati Patel).

    That is not ‘caste’.

    A doctor marrying an investment banker is not an inter-caste marriage. A Gujrati doctor marrying a Bengali doctor is a ‘love marriage’, but not an inter-caste marriage OR an intra-caste marriage. It is neither. Caste is not a dimension in these examples.

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  485. Nova But we also need to encourage women to be cognizant of the impact of their words, and take responsibility for that,

    We should. Calling your husband a loser because he lost his job or can’t afford to buy the Mcmansion is being disrespectful. Berating him out in public, (hello john and kate) is wrong.

    and understand the impact they are having on their husbands

    nova (I honestly think most women have no clue how stressed men get when their wives are attacking them verbally

    Oh they know. If I know this, there is no way high iq degreed women haven’t figured this out. Some people just like to test the waters. The same thing in the corporate world. Some people only become productive when the boss yells at them.

    nova because according to these studies, women simply get much less stressed in marital disputes than men do).

    I can’ buy this. It’s only when violence is looming that women become very stressed.

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  486. Data demonstrating domestic violence and the greater or at least equal physical aggression of women:
    http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    It seems that women have imbibed a persecution mentality i.e. he is bigger and stronger than you, therefore any attacks of him doesn’t count. Based on a way of thinking that says he is after all, the oppressor, the stronger man, what you do to him doesn’t count.

    But really, a great majority of this fear and power in a relationship is psychological. Yes, he can physically dominate you but you’re a devious human being and not an animal: you have many avenues for retaliation including poisons, police and so on. So does he. However, does the man/woman in question a) recognise it as a transgression b) feel that they can rightfully retaliate.

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  487. chic noir

    nova (I honestly think most women have no clue how stressed men get when their wives are attacking them verbally

    Oh they know. If I know this, there is no way high iq degreed women haven’t figured this out. Some people just like to test the waters. The same thing in the corporate world. Some people only become productive when the boss yells at them.

    No that isn’t how it works at all with higher education and particularly elite college degrees. In fact it tends to work in exactly the opposite way.

    At least compared to people of average or greater than average intelligence (and probably even a bit below average too), the more highly and elite educated someone is, the less common sense they tend to have, and the more dogmatic tends to be their thinking.

    This isn’t always true and it tends to become less true as the highly educated get older and experience more of the real world, but there’s a deeply propagandizing element of university and particularly elite university education these days chic, particularly in the social sciences and maybe even more the humanities these days. Which is where you’ll find nearly all non asian women.

    There are some thinking outside the box exceptions to this but they’re the minority.

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  488. Bhetti–

    It seems that women have imbibed a persecution mentality i.e. he is bigger and stronger than you, therefore any attacks of him doesn’t count. Based on a way of thinking that says he is after all, the oppressor, the stronger man, what you do to him doesn’t count.

    Yeah. That’s exactly the feminist and now mainstream PC, and the law, courts, and often police (after lots of DV “training” and well fear for their jobs and promotions) way of looking at it. You know or quickly learn a lot for such a youngster. 😉

    As well I believe that women are FAR more often mentally abusive in bad American marriages at least than men are. I haven’t seen studies on that in either direction, but I mean like 2 to 1, or 3 to 1, etc. I’m going by what I see around me, and hear from men and women. Allowing for what men readily talk about versus what women do. By abusive I mean fundamentally belittling, regularly threatening to terminate the relationship, humiliating the other in front of friends, and so on. Yeah we’re talking about beta guys here, at least in interaction with their wives if not in social standing. Most men are betas, almost or in fact by definition. Though they’re not as beta everywhere as they often now are in America, nor are women as strident elsewhere, due to American feminist upbringings, media, culture generally, laws, etc.

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  489. Oh they know. If I know this, there is no way high iq degreed women haven’t figured this out. Some people just like to test the waters. The same thing in the corporate world. Some people only become productive when the boss yells at them.

    Which would demonstrate they they don’t really understand. Men do deal with corporate stress quite well — they don’t flood and get the feeling they are pushing against their violence stops. That does not apply to marital disputes. So my guess is that women, again, see it like any other dispute, when men experience it rather differently.

    Calling your husband a loser because he lost his job or can’t afford to buy the Mcmansion is being disrespectful. Berating him out in public, (hello john and kate) is wrong.

    Yeah it’s generally not that. It’s more like the 15 minute verbal torture sessions that women seem to be so naturally adept at. Women have very strong abilities in this area. I don’t think men react to being called a “loser” by getting violent — they can, however, after one of the 15 minute torture sessions, however. I think, again, women sometimes underestimate the pure anger this can build in men.

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  490. As well I believe that women are FAR more often mentally abusive in bad American marriages at least than men are. I haven’t seen studies on that in either direction, but I mean like 2 to 1, or 3 to 1, etc. I’m going by what I see around me, and hear from men and women. Allowing for what men readily talk about versus what women do. By abusive I mean fundamentally belittling, regularly threatening to terminate the relationship, humiliating the other in front of friends, and so on.

    Part of this is that they are often bloody *good* at it. Women excel at verbal dressing downs, on average, MUCH more than men do. That exacerbates the problem, to wit: woman takes out the verbal knives and skewers husband for 10 minutes, husband feels powerless to respond. Why? Because (1) he knows in the verbal prowess area, he is (most of the time) hopelessly outgunned –> what he says will be skillfully twisted against him often, things he said 10 years ago will be trotted out to impeach what he is saying now and so on, so verbally countering can appear fruitless and (2) he knows that if he acts out on the violent urge he may be feeling (fueled in part by that frustration), he will be risking a jail sentence, and also it’s generally something he really, really, does not *want* to do regardless of the consequences. So he feels *fucked* in that situation. And totally fucking angry.

    It’s often suggested that the solution to this is better anger management for men. In some cases where men routinely lose their temper in violent ways, I would agree, but that isn’t most men. No, in most cases, I would say women need to learn to tone down their verbal knives. They are effectively hitting their husbands with words in a very uneven situation. Men are at a pretty similar disadvantage verbally in terms of fighting back verbally to women as most women are in terms of fighting back physically to men. Sure, words don’t literally *kill* someone physically, but they can virtually kill someone psychologically. And women engage in this to a shameful degree, while it is shoved under the rug and pooh-poohed by most of the DV community. And teaching men to be more emotionally expressive is not goimg to cut it either — most men will STILL be badly outgunned in this are by their wives, regardless of how much “progress” they make “in discovering their inner voice” and so on.

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  491. Novaseeker

    Which would demonstrate they they don’t really understand. Men do deal with corporate stress quite well — they don’t flood and get the feeling they are pushing against their violence stops. That does not apply to marital disputes. So my guess is that women, again, see it like any other dispute, when men experience it rather differently

    There are reasons for this difference in stress level.

    Most men, even beta men, feel deep in their bones that they should be respected on some basic level by their wives, who after all chose to be with them, and even that she should treat him as at least slightly dominant. Or pretend to. Or anyway not as someone she can just stomp all over, verbally and emotionally.

    Yet American mainstream media and schools feminism tells women they should feel entitled to do just that when their husband is in any way, in her judgment (which feminists think is nearly always better than the clueless and not really family oriented man’s).

    This cognitive dissonance causes HUGE stress. Men feel acutely emasculated, yet prohibited by the strictures of both chivalry and feminist culture and law, from doing anything about it. However they don’t even perceive it in this kind of clear conflict way, and so just internally cringe and or eventually rage.

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  492. Doug in part because women will often not have to pay for the expenses of their cheating themselves.

    Tell that to the woman who cheated and got her face bashed in or whose dismembered body is barred in local or national park.

    Doug in part because women’s intuition is on average a lot better and certainly better socially trained in these areas than men’s is;

    Very true doug very true.

    Doug and finally but significantly because men are made to feel by society that if their woman is cheating it’s probably in large part their own fault for not being man enough for her.

    Actually, I don’t think this is so. I think men are taught that if their woman cheats it’s because she is a ho.

    Doug Or irritating her too much. Or being too controlling. Or not paying enought attention to her. And on and on.

    That’s what the women on cheaters say. Personaly, I think if you cheat, it’s because you want to. Even if your SO isn’t giving you want you want emotionally, you can always leave him or her.

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  493. Nova Which would demonstrate they they don’t really understand

    No Nova, they do. It’s the reason why women won’t talk to other woman the same way because they know another woman will hit them.

    Nova Yeah it’s generally not that. It’s more like the 15 minute verbal torture sessions that women seem to be so naturally adept at

    Please explain then, because I want to know what it a 15 minute verbal torture session is.

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  494. Nova

    Excellent analysis. i agree.

    I’m damn good at verbal argument so much of this only applies a little to me, but I haven’t been totally immune. Particularly you’re mentioning her bringing up something in the deep past to impeach the guy in the present hit home – oh yeah do women ever do that, and are they good at it. I mean ALL of them. It’s like automatic for women to catalog every grievance for possible trotting out in any argument.

    Dave from Hawaii’s had some great advice for avoiding arguments thought that even alphas can learn from. Cause most women are gonna want to throw argument fits at some point when they’re living with you or even have been ltr’ing with you for quite awhile and feel pretty secure.

    Sure, words don’t literally *kill* someone physically, but they can virtually kill someone psychologically. And women engage in this to a shameful degree, while it is shoved under the rug and pooh-poohed by most of the DV community.

    Male DV doesn’t kill women. Or virtually never does. Women kill domestic partners way more than men do. Contrary to feminists it rarely really seriously injures them either. Black eyes and other brusing, and maybe a broken nose, or usually a rather freak (and unintended) broken or dislocated arm are usually the worst of it even with really bad men.

    Compared to the overwhelming majority of male physcial DV, female mental abuse is usually much worse in bad or shaky marriages. Much more lasting trauma. Feminists and the media just lie about all this.

    BTW, I think you downplay female mental abuse of males when they lose their jobs and can’t quickly find another one WAY too much. Divorces usually go way up during recessions you know.

    This one, which is characterized most of all by a dramatic loss of home values and thus equity and marital property may well turn out to be different. In fact I’ve read stories about many divorces “put on hold”. Of course what the usually female journalists never say is that it’s the wife that put it on hold.

    (Actually higher earning men without prenups who are in bad marriages and who feel in their gut that their wife may be close to filing for divorce, might be wise to do so now for just this reason. Esp if they won’t have to pay child support for long, or alimony. Of course almost no men in that situation will listen to me. Men unlike women tend not to think in these ways until divorce has happened to them.)

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  495. Wondering: If a man can’t express anger via violence, can’t that get channeled into sex? [anger management! the New Solution]

    chic: You don’t know about the 15 min verbal torture session? ‘You are a failure, you promised me this and this, you don’t really love me, at least my ex did this and this, I should’ve listened to *insert family/friend here*, I don’t think you’ve been communicating honestly with me, I don’t know where we’re going, I don’t know if I love you anymore. Remember that time you forgot my birthday? How could you if you loved me, really?’

    Even if your SO isn’t giving you want you want emotionally, you can always leave him or her.

    Although leaving may be the more moral choice, it definitely is not the easier one or perhaps the more rational or logical in some cases.

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  496. on August 26, 2009 at 8:49 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I agree with Doug1 and Nova – the 15 minute abuse session, and the ongoing attritional nagging are very corrosive.

    Let me put it this way :

    If having one night of sex with a solid 8 can rate as an experience of quality ‘X’.

    Then being nagged for 30 minutes each on 5 successive weeknights can rate as a ‘-X’ or even a ‘-1.2X’.

    In other words, if the choice is :
    1) One night of sex with an 8, followed by five daily 30-minute nagging sessions for 5 consecutive days, or…
    2) No interaction with any woman at all for 5 days.

    I would say the choice is not easy, and perhaps, just slightly, leans in favor of point 2).

    That tells you how bad the nagging/verbal abuse really is.

    Of course, I expect exactly 1% of women to grasp this, and 99% to be totally oblivious to this reality.

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  497. on August 26, 2009 at 8:59 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1 wrote :

    Actually higher earning men without prenups who are in bad marriages and who feel in their gut that their wife may be close to filing for divorce, might be wise to do so now for just this reason. Esp if they won’t have to pay child support for long, or alimony.

    That is brilliant. If the mortgage is more than the value, so that the household’s net worth is negative, that is when a man should file for divorce is he suspects the wife is planning on it.

    I too was infuriated when I saw the ‘divorce put on hold’ headlines. That shows how coldly gold-digging most women are, and how much media bias there is in their favor.

    Of course, as I often say, an imbalance can persist for a long time, and most people will find the status quo to be normal, but when it corrects, it can correct fast.

    2020 will be a world where American men will have it better, not worse, than they have it now. Individual results may vary, based on variables like Game, income, and luck, but in general, I think the imbalance of women holding so much power is peaking.

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  498. Please explain then, because I want to know what it a 15 minute verbal torture session is.

    Well, if you don’t know …

    I mean it’s been in almost every relationship I have had with women, really. They see it as “communicating”, when in effect it is a verbal/emotional dumping. It’s quite common, and it’s done with exquisite tailored wording. I think many of the men here can probably explain it better than I can.

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  499. @nova- bhetti broke it down. it’s sort of like what kate did to john according to the clips I’ve seen.

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  500. BTW, I think you downplay female mental abuse of males when they lose their jobs and can’t quickly find another one WAY too much. Divorces usually go way up during recessions you know.

    This one, which is characterized most of all by a dramatic loss of home values and thus equity and marital property may well turn out to be different. In fact I’ve read stories about many divorces “put on hold”. Of course what the usually female journalists never say is that it’s the wife that put it on hold.

    This is very true. Women are more conniving, in general, about these things than men are. That gets back to Roissy’s BFF post, I think, as well.

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  501. @nova- bhetti broke it down. it’s sort of like what kate did to john according to the clips I’ve seen.

    Yep, except it can be much worse than that, because there are things that I am sure they would never have aired.

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  502. Doug female mental abuse is usually much worse in bad or shaky marriages. Much more lasting trauma. Feminists and the media just lie about all this.

    Doug, I think this is where Stockholm syndrome comes into play. It’s the reason why I always tell you guys to run if your someone(esp if you’re not married) is drying you up the wall. Once you bond to him/her, you will have trouble leaving.

    @bhetti- what you described was my idea of a 15 minute torture session. I guess Nova and I misunderstood one another.

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  503. NovaYep, except it can be much worse than that, because there are things that I am sure they would never have aired.

    like what? you know I’m a bit of a ditz at times nova.

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  504. like what? you know I’m a bit of a ditz at times nova.

    Oh like: you’re not even half the man you were when I met you; you’re not even close to what he was like in bed, so don’t get me started; your parents hate me, and you have to choose between me and them — your choice … and so on.

    Nuclear options seem to be always available to women, without shame or remorse.

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  505. […] 26, 2009 · Leave a Comment The recent posts over at Roissy’s and FemX’s concerning interracial dating have made me examine my own experiences, since I […]

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  506. on August 27, 2009 at 10:25 am Black Military Man

    Fifth Horseman, doctor is not a caste, doctor is a profession.

    If a Bengali Gaur Brahmin DOCTOR marries a Punjabi Jatt DOCTOR, that is indeed an inter-caste marriage.

    Jatt is a caste by the way.

    The four “castes” that you speak of are the original “chatur-varnam” described in the Gita and other scriptures. That was thousands of years ago. Since then literally HUNDREDS of sub-castes have developed such as kayastha, jatt, baniya, etc. These are not ethnic groups.

    A kayastha, a jatt and a baniya can all become a doctor or a prostitute by profession, but that will not change their caste.

    In the Hindustan Times matrimonials their parents will still write;

    “Punjabi Jatt family seeks convent-educated, fair, homely, girl with strong family values for their Doctor son. Caste no bar. Dowry a must. We are a traditional family”.

    LOL!!!!

    PS: to the un-initiated, “homely” in the Indian context does not mean “plain” or “ugly”. It means “domesticated”.

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  507. on August 27, 2009 at 10:27 am Black Military Man

    PS: In addition, if a Punjabi Jatt marries a Punjabi Brahmin, that is NOT an inter-ethnic marriage, it is an inter-caste marriage.

    And Jatts are Hindus as much as they are Sikhs.

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  508. on August 27, 2009 at 10:42 am Black Military Man

    I was in a restaurant last night seated just behind a group of women who were having a “ladies night out”. The topic was “personal empowerment”.

    One woman told her story:

    Married young to a highly abusive man and she thought she “deserved” the abuse so she did not leave. When he finally pulled a knife out on their 1 1/2 year old baby, she left.

    Sometimes later she married a kind, good man. She stayed married to him for 40 years but was “dying inside” because he did not have any goals. His goals were her goals. He expected her to have the goals and him to follow and support her in her goals.

    She did not say whether he worked or not, but I’m assuming he did, otherwise she would have said so.

    She said even though he was kind and good, the fact that he had no “goals” made her feel “trapped” and “suffocated” so she left him.

    She said that divorce was the best thing that ever happened to her, and that he and her are “still friends”, but she has “grown” leaps and bounds without him.

    One woman said, “that sounds like a good marriage to me! What’s his phone number?”

    Another said, “if he let you do whatever you wanted, why couldn’t you ‘grow’ while still staying married to him?”

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  509. on August 27, 2009 at 4:28 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Black Military Man,

    Yes, the ‘homely’ thing makes me laugh and cringe at the same time.

    But the word ‘caste’ is not the right one. It should only be used in the ancient context of Brahmin/Ksh/Vaish/Shudra. The chaturvarnam, as you said.

    SOME Indians today use ‘caste’ with regards to Jatt, Vaishnav, etc. That is confusing and incorrect. The largest group of Indians do not have such a ‘caste’ but rather a ethno-cultural grouping.

    Hence, when non-Indians talk of a ‘caste system’ they quickly misunderstand that it exists unchanged form the days of the chaturvarnman.

    ‘Caste system’ assumes hierarchy.

    The pre-modern hierarchy was based on profession.

    The subgroups of Jatt, Kyastha, Vania, etc. are not a hierarchy, but rather different ethno-cultural groups.

    So using the term ‘caste’ on them is confusing and inaccurate. But Indians themselves do this (much like they still don’t stop using the word ‘homely’ to indicate housekeeping skills, even if they know better).

    No one ever calls themselves a Kshatriya/Vaishya/Shudra anymore. Brahmins just use that because they are trying to get mileage out of that having been the ‘top’ one.

    But if two Gujrati Patels or two Gujrati Vaishnavs get married, this is no concept of who was a ‘Shudra’ and who was a Vaishya.

    Horoscope matching is a far more prevalant practice.

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  510. Fifth horseman is explaining caste, groups, importance of horoscopes etc really well – just wanna say that I agree with what he’s saying, brahmins were only at the “top” in the same sense that the pope and church were at the top in the middle ages, renaiissance, etc. The kings and emperors, even the wealthy merchants of venice had more power no? Holy roman empire was only brief. Brahmins try to fool foreigners into thinking india is run by intellectulas and holy men. Nope money and power (political, military and or social) is what talks. But the brahmins conspirated with the british and other foreigners and propagated the idea of intellect equals top of food chain, which is incorrect

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  511. on August 27, 2009 at 7:40 pm Black Military Man

    What both of you are not “getting” is that “brahmin” does not mean intellectual, nor holy, nor power. Maybe thousands of years ago it did. Brahmin is a CASTE. Brahmins have various professions like; IT professional, doctor, shop-keeper, industrialist, prostitute, etc. Nevertheless, they are BRAHMIN, regardless of their finances -rich/poor, or social clout or lack thereof.

    Vaishnava is a religion, not an ethnic group.

    You will find “vaishnavas” all over India, from North to South, East to West, belonging to different castes.

    It’s confusing – jati, caste, varna, all words are used to describe sometimes the same thing, and sometimes something entirely different.

    India’s social system is very intricate and varied.

    When was the last time either of you were there?

    Lovely Sexy Beauty, how old are you? One of my sons might be interested.

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  512. Black Military Man,

    Out of curiosity, how do you know so much about Indian culture? Cultivated personal interest?

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  513. on August 27, 2009 at 8:04 pm Black Military Man

    1. The military has taken me everywhere, including India.
    2 I had some Indo-American girlfriends before I got married. 3. And now I have Indians in my family coz two relatives married Indians.
    4. At least one of my kids might marry an Indian.

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  514. on August 27, 2009 at 9:34 pm BMM black military man

    “Black Military Man,

    Out of curiosity, how do you know so much about Indian culture? Cultivated personal interest?”

    I’ve got Indian in-laws now and I’ve been there a number of times. And I’ve dated Indian – a loooooong time ago, when that was unheard of.

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  515. on August 27, 2009 at 9:39 pm The Fifth Horseman

    ‘Brahmins’ created one of the greatest marketing coups ever. Imagine, the group that has neither wealth nor military skills, still gets others to buy into a system that places these professors/priests at the top.

    Much the same way as left-wing college professors in the US try to minimize/demonize the activities of businesspeople and the military.

    Of course, for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The 15% of India that is Muslim (and 99% of Pakistan and Bangladesh, where were part of India until modern times), became that way because under Hinduism, they were Shudras. Why stick to a religion that says YOU are at the bottom of their hierarchy? It is a better deal to convert to another religion and fight the Hindus. That is the origin of Muslims in India today.

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  516. on August 27, 2009 at 9:45 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Black Military Man,

    You are still using the word ‘caste’ incorrectly. To be fair, many Indians do this, so you are no more wrong than them. But you are supposed to be above that hangup, given the effort you have already put in to learn so much.

    Tell you what, why don’t you tell me why the pre-modern Castes were organized in a tight hierarchy, while the various Vania/Vaishnav/Jat/Oswal/Lohanna/Arora groups (wrongly called ‘castes’) are not in a clear hierarchy, but are merely horizontal groupings tied to linguistic/geographical/religious subsect factors? Why is it not possible to rank these groupings in a 1. Vania 2. Oswal 3. Vaishnav manner, while the Brahm/Ksh/Vaish/Shudh ranking was so absolute?

    Answer that question, and you will see what I mean about misuse of the term ‘caste’.

    I’m trying to show you that the modern use of the word ‘caste’ in India today is just as incorrect as the use of the word ‘homely’ in matrimonial ads.

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  517. on August 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm BMM black military man

    Were Muslims shudras or lower? Shudras are within the four varnas, untouchables not.

    Anyway, most brahmins I’ve met are not employed either as priests or professors. They are struggling with ordinary professions just like everyone else. And the ones I know that are priests, are poor, serving in small temples and trying to scrape by on lighting fires at weddings.

    Gujarati “vaishnava” by the way, has become a “caste”. I can convert to the vaishnava religion, but not be considered “vaishnava by caste”. Like I said, India is complicated.

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  518. on August 27, 2009 at 9:49 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Black Military Man,

    IT professional, doctor, shop-keeper, industrialist, prostitute, etc. Nevertheless, they are BRAHMIN, regardless of their finances -rich/poor, or social clout or lack thereof.

    Despite your otherwise substantial knowledge, this statement is simply not correct. Your Brahmin relative/friend has put one over on you with supreme slickness, which Brahmins are very good at doing.

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  519. on August 27, 2009 at 9:58 pm BMM black military man

    5th Horseman, I’ve been to India, more than a few times. I know brahmins in all those professions.

    But it’s whatever. I’m not Indian so I don’t really need to sweat all this.

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  520. on August 27, 2009 at 10:08 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Were Muslims shudras or lower? Shudras are within the four varnas, untouchables not.

    Many were. That is what made it easy to get them to convert.

    Muslims are good at seducing the disenfranchised men of ANY other society, and getting them to convert to Islam. The same will happen in the West when too many men suffer from feminist divorce laws, while Muslim courts offer Muslim divorce laws to those who convert to Islam.

    But I digress……..

    So answer the question in my 9:45 PM comment. You will see how the concept/term ‘caste’ is misused and mutated in present-day India.

    Like I said, India is complicated.

    Actually, India is very simple. Indians worship money above all else. Much more so than white Protestants do. If there is profit to be had, most Indians will happily make exceptions to all preexisting values regarding their ‘caste’, religion, linguistic subgroup, etc.

    Indians will compromise more principles and scruples for money than the average white Protestant will.

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  521. Apologies to the blog host for continuing this off topic stuff…

    I visited India within the last year. But I want my ideas to stand on themselves, not how often I go.

    OK, so above all this sociology talk is the *philosophy* of caste. Many interpretations argue that caste was supposed to be fluid, and also based on the individual not on what family you are born to. (Manu Smriti, Upanishads are different.)

    In India there are very strong communities which historically have been based on common customs and intermarrying. Which many people called caste later, which might really be ethnoreligious in nature.

    There are few bonds as thick as those of blood, and if your network has been intermarrying into each others families forever, naturally you trust each other more and will band together to gain power. And you would want to hold on to your status and try to show yourself as superior to others…

    Srsly… region to region, the group in power is not the same. In Punjab, Jatts and Khatris and Bappe each think they are the best… Brahmins have no power, they’re called behmaans (insult). The different religious movements in Punjab also contributed to the lessening of their influence (Sikhi, Christianity, Islam, Arya Samaj aka “reform Hinduism”).

    Also, Brahmins have different levels depending on which rishi or smething they are descended from. Ask the next Brahmin you talk to what their gotra is, and if they are descended from a Kshatriya who later became an honorary Brahmin, or a true Brahmin. Wikipedia has more details on what I’m talking about…

    OK, this is like soooo off topic but that’s all I have to say on that! This is Roissy not jattworld or desihotornot loll.

    Roissy is probably about to shut down comments on this one by now lol

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  522. lovelysexybeauty-

    Roissy is probably about to shut down comments on this one by now lol

    To my knowledge, and I’ve had occasion to go back to a number of old and very old threads, Rossy has never ever, not once, shut down any of them. He has LIMITED but not barred the vomitous obsessive spewlage of “Lady” Raine. And I think he said one other person, though not nearly as much.

    I know of no strongly feminist websites that don’t have a banning policy, usually hair trigger against challenging men.

    Do You?

    But hey. I like you. And am kinda attracted, though you’d have to post pics. Really.

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  523. Doug: Whyyy? Why are you flirting with an Indian girl or a Canadian? Is it because these girls are submissive? Do you want a submissive woman?

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  524. Bhetti

    Doug: Whyyy? Why are you flirting with an Indian girl or a Canadian? Is it because these girls are submissive? Do you want a submissive woman?

    Yes I do.

    But only if she’s also got a lot going on. And exciting fight in her.

    Green eyes.

    My bitch.

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  525. I’m putting together Bhetti in my mind.

    Green eyes = check
    Contacts = check
    Long hair = check
    Thick hair = check
    Luxurious hair = check
    Medium height = not sure? Chic knows this one
    Medium build or small = not sure? Doug knows this one

    Beautiful I have no doubt.
    Inside and out.
    She radiates it.

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  526. Not necessarily literal completely green eyes… I’ll say most of me is pretty much typical of my ethnicity.
    But pedantry.

    Thank you, Oh bluegrey eyed lovely blonde haired fair-skinned beauty. You’re full of sparkle*.

    *[The non-Twilight-vamp kind.]

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  527. Bhetti and I have formed the Mutual Admiration Society and Doug is the founder. He can be a vampire for all I care. I shall from this time onwards refer to him as Count Draper. Vant to suck my blood Count? After Bhetti of course, I know my place (geographically submissive Canada).

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  528. @ Doug1 –

    Can’t think of any blogs/sites that turn off comments after a while, but I feel like I have seen it before (something like “Comments are now closed for this post.”)

    Thx for the compliments. No can do pix 😦 too risky… and don’t want to hurt those who care for me (family, etc.), who would be scandalized by the more judgmental members of the community

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  529. on August 28, 2009 at 6:38 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood

    If having one night of sex with a solid 8 can rate as an experience of quality ‘X’.

    Then being nagged for 30 minutes each on 5 successive weeknights can rate as a ‘-X’ or even a ‘-1.2X’.

    You must have an exceptional capability for enduring nagging.

    No nagging should last more than about 2 minutes. If you aren’t able to deflect it, crush it, or channel it by then, your relationship is already going down the tubes.

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  530. aoefe

    Beautiful I have no doubt.
    Inside and out.
    She radiates it.

    You sure have some low standards.

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  531. on June 24, 2010 at 9:39 pm Pat Bateman

    Damian is a flaming faggot. He should have told the bitch the shut the fuck up and deep throated her.

    You should question your sexuality if you choose a good night sleep over a fuckable woman.

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