500 Days Of Beta

I got dragged by a chick to see the movie 500 Days of Summer……………. ah, alright the truth is I wanted to see it too, not least of which because Zooey Deschanel is such a doll, thereby making up for her lack of range as an actress.

I thought the movie would be a clever indie riff on the typical rom-com, but it turned out to be the usual insufferable paeon to the righteously inscrutable whimsy of women and the ingratiating helplessness of the beta male, leavened with a gimmicky forward and backward calendar hopping effect. The lead male character, Tom, played self-pityingly by Joseph Gordon-Levitt, is the culmination of thousands of generations of beta males distilled into one uber beta. Every time he was on screen, I wanted him to get gang raped by a horde of fokken Prawn. Instead, he just goes on his merry beta way the entire length of the movie. Luckily for him, he is good-looking in that nonthreatening way that appeals to weirdo chicks, so he snags quality pussy despite himself. Had his character looked like the typical guy his crippling betaness would have meant involuntary celibacy.

Here is a partial list of the repellent beta things Tom did:

  • He spends weeks pining for Deschanel’s character, Summer, before making a pseudo-backasswards-move. Game principle violated: The 3 second rule.
  • He peers over his cubicle wall at Summer (she’s the admin at his office) like a creepy stalker. If he was a fat, balding old guy this behavior would get him slapped with a sexual harassment suit. Game principle violated: Everything.
  • His first “date” with her is with a group of co-workers at a karaoke joint. Game principle violated: Avoiding LJBF territory.
  • After karaoke night, they are drunk and Summer makes an *obvious* girl-style move on him — that is, she gives him the veiled opportunity to grab her and kiss her right there. But he misses all the cues and takes her beta bait, agreeing that it would be great to be her friend. Game principles violated: Escalation. Recognition of IOIs.
  • In the copy room, she makes the first move and kisses him. Game principle violated: Being a leader.
  • Somehow, they wind up in her apartment and bang, though the viewer is left not really knowing why she decided to go for it. Game principles violated: Relying on your cutesy emo youthfulness to get any action from women. Obtaining the inaugural bang on her turf.
  • Tom daydreams about Summer constantly. Game principle violated: One-itis.
  • He blubbers incessantly to his friends and < Wise Latina voice > Wise Little Sister < / Wise Latina voice > about his love for Summer and how to win her back after she dumps him. Game principles violated: Pedestal-ization. Toolery.
  • When Summer dumps him in the diner, he is shellshocked. Game principle violated: Always keep two in the kitty.
  • After the ignominious dumping, Tom spends months in a deep blue funk, flagellating himself and bringing everyone around him down. Game principle violated: Irrational self-confidence. Alpha philosophy violated: Interchangeability of women.
  • Summer invites Tom to a party she’s hosting. Tom arrives filled to the brim with expectations that Summer will fall in love with him again, and, in what was the cleverest part of the movie, a split screen shows Tom’s expectations clashing with reality. At the party, Tom sees a fat diamond on Summer’s finger and realizes she is engaged. He sees the fiancee across the room, and then runs out of the party, his soul tormented, his penis shriveled. Run, Beta, run! Game principle violated: How to win back an ex-girlfriend. Alpha philosophy violated: Substituting wishful thinking for reality.
  • While pining for Summer, Tom’s Wise Little Sister tells him to try and remember all the bad times in his short-lived relationship with her. Tom then gets all hindsightful, and recalls in crystal clear clarity what he couldn’t see when it was staring him in the face — namely, all the red flags Summer was planting in his ass. Like the way she dropped his hand first when they were holding hands, or the way she stopped giggling at his mincing hipsterly jokes, or the increasing frequency with which she told him she was “busy that night”. Naturally, this awakening shakes Tom out of his depression. Game principle violated: LTR management. Alpha philosophy violated: Unerring grasp of women’s nature.

It’s possible the director intended his movie to be a subversive precautionary tale for men — act like this guy and you’ll be a loser in love — but I think it likelier that the movie’s point was to serve as a nostalgic wallowing for hopeless romantics (you know, the kind of guy who describes himself as a feminist and is always ready to hoist his latest lust object onto a gilded pedestal) and the c’est la vie wing of the aggro-emo feminized buttplugging beta masses. Case in point: Tom never changes his stripes and never understands how he fucked up. The overriding message of the movie is: Hey man, sometimes love hurts. And chicks are mysterious forces who want what their hearts want, so there’s nothing you can do about it except dance to their tune.

Give this movie to me and I would have had a mentor teach Tom the fine art of sacking up, blessed him with some game and LTR tips, and informed him of the bestial nature of women. Then the movie would have been re-titled 5 Days of Summer, because Summer would have run crying from the room after she found Tom boffing her hotter best friend.





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  1. on August 28, 2009 at 1:40 pm Raymo in LeDroit

    Nice take on a moview review.

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  2. on August 28, 2009 at 1:47 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    fuck almost got first

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  3. on August 28, 2009 at 1:51 pm Lemmy Caution

    I think the movie at least hints at how big of a sucker he was and how much of the “romantic” feelings of some young high-beta men stem from their lack of options compared to similar aged women (a lot of young men try to rush things the way Tom did). Tom seemed much better with Autumn with the “I hope you don’t get the job” banter.

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  4. The ultimate beta getting played by a crazy ass woman is Francois Truffaut’s Jules and Jim.

    More generally some classic movies you might want to check out:

    Trouble in Paradise (Ernst Lubitsch)
    Pauline at the Beach (Eric Rohmer)
    To Have and Have Not (Howard Hawks)

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  5. if there one sign in this blog that Roissy is really living the life he says he does, it´s his ability to keep daily posts with his normal life events

    yet the “normal” is absolutely not the norm among the male population

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  6. I thought the movie would be a clever indie riff on the typical rom-com, but it turned out to be the usual insufferable paeon to the righteously inscrutable whimsy of women and the ingratiating helplessness of the beta male

    Past is
    Prologue

    Save for the fact Orlando Bloom didn’t get eviscerated in graphic, HD, the only good movie in a decade was Troy, That, and Swallowing Teenyboppers #17.

    fuck zooey – gimme Sasha Gray

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  7. Funny shit.

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  8. Don’t forget the blind date or whatever that was, with a chick hotter than Summer, during which he got trashed and whined about Summer the whole time.

    The thing I liked about the movie was that the male lead was a pathetic supplicating beta… but the female lead actually treated him the way betas are treated in real life. In most Hollywood movies, they would have a real relationship and she’d be in love with him the whole way through. This was pretty authentic in a way – she banged him because she had nothing better to do than lead him on, then she hated him for his betatude, and finally she left him without warning as his jaw dropped to the floor. The chick he meets at the end of the movie will do the same thing to him.

    Would I rather see a movie about an alpha doing alpha stuff? Probably, but it’s a nice change of pace from the usual tripe to see a beta getting what he deserves: shit.

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  9. Awesome. If you’d like a British take on all this, try the show Pushing. Each season is a handful of episodes, and the two seasons are out on Netflix.

    It’s quite brutal, as only the English can deliver.

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  10. on August 28, 2009 at 2:02 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “Obtaining the inaugural bang on her turf.”

    Why is that a mistake?

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  11. Shit, I hate autocorrect. The show is called “Pulling”.

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  12. on August 28, 2009 at 2:05 pm Seeking Alpha

    “Obtaining the inaugural bang on her turf.”

    Why is that a mistake?

    I was wondering the same thing. Easier to pick up and leave whenever you want if you’re at her place.

    Instead of that crazy chick Eric was fucking in Entourage that just stayed at his place all day and he was too timid to put in her place.

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  13. this is Roissy´s first movie review

    Steve Sailer is in panic

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  14. I was forced to see this movie as well. Generally, I like romantic comedies because they can give an insight into female psychology, but this one was pretty worthless.

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  15. every Michael Cera movie depicts something along these lines.
    Wash. Rinse. Repeat. New Script. Girls go see. Girls claim they like. Girls really want the push/pull from Twilight…and to be left twisting in the wind while their panties glisten.

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  16. Although I haven’t seen the movie, this story follows the popular beta belief that women are prizes to be strived for and that the game of ‘love’ is a game of luck. I don’t understand how men everywhere do these INSANE things. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again whilst expecting different results.

    It’s painful to watch and witness men justify these behaviors with thoughts like: “well, this is different because I REALLY like this one.” They have listened to women their whole lives and come to the awful conclusion that women are all about feelings. Men are logical by nature, so they think that the only problem is that the woman doesn’t know how he feels, AND IF ONLY THEY KNEW – then they would reciprocate these feelings. Betas are completely oblivious to the fact that having feelings for a woman and the expressing them in a thousand different ways isn’t going to win the woman over.

    The worst part is that women are continuously portrayed this way in the media and then they make matters worse by talking about the jerks that treat them badly (who they love and can’t stop thinking about) in a negative light. The men that these women bitch to hear things like: “oh, if only he would spend more time with me…” and “why can’t he stop being such an asshole?” and “he’s such a jerk, he never communicates…” and then they think “I can be that guy for her.” What these men fail to realize is:
    1.) These women are talking wanting these behaviors with a man whom they ALREADY like/love. The attraction is there – most likely because the alpha bad boy is NOT doing these things.
    2.) That if the alpha/bad boy started doing these things that women say they want, that they would lose attraction and the guy would cease to be an alpha.

    Men don’t make the connection that women want to WORK to GAIN a man’s approval. An interesting challenge is the prize to a woman. They want to imagine how their man is thinking about them, always having just the slightest bit of doubt in their mind. That is EXCITING. Any man who hands all of this over before the game has even begun has basically communicated that he will always be there. So if worst comes to worst, the woman can always have him (and be unhappy). But while she bitches to the beta, she seeks the alpha.

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  17. Interesting. Josh Xiong had a review on this, covering the beta-tude of the lead.

    There needs to be movies and television that show guys how to relate to women: don’t invest much emotion in them, always have another woman on deck, be the biggest a-hole you can be to them, don’t commit, ever, and realize that the way your father and grandfather acted is a one-way ticket to loser-dom.

    At least this and Funny People (a-hole lead Sandler pulls married old flame despite her kids/husband) show tentatively some of the reality — women will dump a beta damn quick for whatever guy is even marginally more Alpha.

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  18. Fucking genius, Roissy!

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  19. I was debating on catching this movie, but hadn’t quite settled on a verdict.

    Now I have: skip.

    I’ll just rewatch Brick and pretend that Zehetner is Zooey. Gordon-Levitt’s character might be obsessing over a dead chick, but at least there is The Pin.

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  20. people pay money to see talking movies in theaters equipped with state of the art digital sound?

    why?

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  21. Poetry:

    do you like
    Gladiator
    movies

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  22. roissy

    In the copy room, she makes the first move and kisses him. Game principle violated: Being a leader.

    I don’t see anything wrong with this.

    [editor: of course you wouldn’t.]

    Tom daydreams about Summer constantly. Game principle violated: One-itis.

    Also known as having a crush or being in love, or being interested in a serious, monogamous LTR with a specific person. Yes, game sure is great for LTRs when the very concept of a LTR goes against the principles of game. Or are LTRs only acceptable when you aren’t really serious about them, and feel that it doesn’t very much matter who you’re with?

    [the operative word is perspective.]

    When Summer dumps him in the diner, he is shellshocked. Game principle violated: Always keep two in the kitty.

    And once again game pisses all over serious LTRs. I think it’s about time for PUAs to just admit that game is not compatible with serious LTRs. If you’re serious about someone, you don’t “keep two in the kitty” and just go “heh, whatever” when you are dumped.

    [the point of game is not to sabotage LTRs, but to increase options. what you choose to do with those options is your call.]

    After the ignominious dumping, Tom spends months in a deep blue funk, flagellating himself and bringing everyone around him down. Game principle violated: Irrational self-confidence. Alpha philosophy violated: Interchangeability of women.

    If women were interchangeable, then you would not care which women you’re with, anyone would do. But that’s not how it goes; you have standards and you don’t bang just anyone. You also make a distinction between sluts and quality women. And you have a numeric scale to rank women.

    Clearly women cannot be interchangeable unless you really don’t care who you’re with.

    [caring and reality grasping are not mutually incompatible.]

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  23. Nice. you should do more reviews.

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  24. this movie sounds crappy.

    gordon-levitt was a wicked in Brick though.

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  25. http://theamericanscene.com/2009/08/12/humpday-500-days-the-male-gaze

    money sub-quote half-way down

    “the quasi-but-not-really-relationship with the woman who’s 1) love-shy and 2) doesn’t understand why a man has to get so damn attached to her in the course of an experimental quasi-relationship.

    I can’t imagine any attractive woman actually liking it, though. Because I’m pretty sure they’ve all pulled this at least once.”

    [editor: the girl i went with hated the movie more than i did.]

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  26. whiskey:

    “There needs to be movies and television that show guys how to relate to women: don’t invest much emotion in them, always have another woman on deck, be the biggest a-hole you can be to them, don’t commit, ever, and realize that the way your father and grandfather acted is a one-way ticket to loser-dom.

    At least this and Funny People (a-hole lead Sandler pulls married old flame despite her kids/husband) show tentatively some of the reality — women will dump a beta damn quick for whatever guy is even marginally more Alpha.”

    You already recognize that hollywood tv and movies are all there pandering to what women want. So while I agree with you, the sad reality is that nothing post 1975 is probably worth watching.

    If you want to see an alpha become betasized and the results of it, watch Gone with the Wind.

    Nice review Roissy. Look forward to seeing more.

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  27. If you want a brutally realistic portrayal, check out “In The Company of Men”. I think it’s the only time I’ve seen a movie about relationships and thought “Yeah, that’s exactly how it’d go”.

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  28. roissy

    the point of game is not to sabotage LTRs, but to increase options. what you choose to do with those options is your call.

    How is a relationship in any way serious if you’re keeping another woman in reserve in case your current relationship falls apart? You say game just provides options, but you also say that it is a game principle that you must have another woman to fall back on.

    caring and reality grasping are not mutually incompatible.

    What does this mean?

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  29. Who was more beta — Tom or Wall-e?

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  30. “After karaoke night, they are drunk and Summer makes an *obvious* girl-style move on him — that is, she gives him the veiled opportunity to grab her and kiss her right there. But he misses all the cues and takes her beta bait, agreeing that it would be great to be her friend. Game principles violated: Escalation. Recognition of IOIs.”

    Didnt you once say that rejecting a woman’s advances, rather than eagerly responding to them was alpha?

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  31. “Who was more beta — Tom or Wall-e?”

    Hilarious.

    (answer: Tom…Wall-E saves humanity, Tom doesn’t really do anything)

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  32. on August 28, 2009 at 3:02 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Who was more beta — Tom or Wall-e?”

    Wale is the biggest beta in DC.

    “Hurt Locker” is the best movie I have seen in years. There are almost no women at all! (but it’s directed by a woman; go figure)

    For the most disgraceful performance by a beta character, I’d suggest “Obsessed” with extreme caution (physically sickening behavior).

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  33. How many LTRs have you managed, TJF?

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  34. So you’re saying I should go see it?

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  35. Give this movie to me and I would have had a mentor teach Tom the fine art of sacking up, blessed him with some game and LTR tips, and informed him of the bestial nature of women.

    But then he wouldn’t be the friendly beta anymore. He’d be like you. Shudder.

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  36. Game principle violated: Irrational self-confidence.

    Roissy/anybody

    Care to shed light on this one? Not just in the context of this post but in general…

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  37. Cannon:

    “Hurt Locker” is the best movie I have seen in years. There are almost no women at all! (but it’s directed by a woman; go figure)

    Kathryn Bigelow, who looks damn good for her age at 58 (to whatever extent such a thing can be said)

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  38. PA:
    Who was more beta — Tom or Wall-e?

    summer blithely kills tom’s soul.
    eve nearly incinerates wall-e.
    beta edge: tom.

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  39. Game principle violated: Irrational self-confidence.
    Roissy/anybody
    Care to shed light on this one? Not just in the context of this post but in general…

    I can give it a shot.

    Gilrs like men.

    Men can do things, men are capable, men are virile, men can change their surroundings.

    If men themselves don’t think they can do anything why be with a man?

    And if you’re the girl in the ear of said powerful man, who believes he can do anything, why, that means you can do anything.

    That means any fantasy can come true.

    What girl wouldn’t want that?

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  40. on August 28, 2009 at 3:20 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Brick sucked ass, The Lookout was a better movie for him.

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  41. Giggity goo!

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  42. I bet “you know who” is really Conor Friesendorf…

    The unwillingness to consider game as a useful but morally neutral tool for improving one’s interactions with women, and the girly-man emphasis on daydreaming and LTRs gives him away.

    Hey Conor/Who – go read the Dave in Hawaii post and tell me that game (properly understood) is fundamentally at odds with LTRs. We’ll wait.

    PS – Being in an LTR doesn’t mean you hand your nuts over to your wife/girlfriend…you f-ing pussy.

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  43. on August 28, 2009 at 3:31 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Confused

    Didnt you once say that rejecting a woman’s advances, rather than eagerly responding to them was alpha?

    Tactically rejecting a woman’s advances – a quick pull back – before going back in, is ‘alpha’.

    Tom accepts her words at face value.

    In other words, an alpha notices the IOI and pulls back to increase her attraction before proceeding further. A beta misses the IOI, takes her words logically and at face value, and gives up before he ever really tried.

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  44. It is not so much about men, as it is about women living out their stone age fantasies. Of course, men are not willing to tell women that acting on stone age fantasies has it’s downsides.

    I just find it amusing.

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  45. Seeking Alpha,

    Honestly, do you think that letting women get away with stone age behavior is going to work out (even in the 10-20 year timespan).

    But then again, people deserve a system they are willing to accept.

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  46. I bet “you know who” is really Conor Friesendorf…

    TJF/YKH is supposedly Finnish… yet his English doesn;t sound foreign. Or he could be Auster’s little nephew Rumprecht.

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  47. All

    For you serious Roissy fans this like above by Roissy to an archival post of his

    Game principle violated: How to win back an ex-girlfriend. [quoted here to make the find in his post in chief easier]

    is in fact a link to his second ever blog post as Roissy, and a classic gem.

    In fact in completely unadvertised and unpromoted blog, that second ever post of his received 87 comments (!) admittedly over the course of a couple of months primarily. In those comments Roissy conducted running game advice for several lucky readers, who applied it, and to their amazement and appreciation found it WORKED.

    A true Roissy classic, well worth check out.

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  48. If you want a stone age zero-sum world you will get it.. it just won’t be as safe as the original (which was pretty horrible to begin with).

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  49. All right, I’ll stop being an asshole of the merely annoying type and give you all the link I’m talking about, which Roissy gives above, without making you go find it:

    How to win back an ex-girlfriend.

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  50. This amusing and instructive game review of that movie actually recalls to mind something I’ve been thinking for awhile now.

    I think one of the results of the phenomenon of game being more widely known by women, particularly as they begin to learn some things about game philosophy such as some of what distinguishes alphas from betas, will be quite surprising to people.

    As others have said I do not think knowing about game will make girls immune to it, only perhaps little bit to the most amateurish and most canned routines then current. Instead I think know about game and it’s philosophy will tend to make girls more impatient more quickly with betas, particularly of the pedestaling and white knighting variety.

    I think girls like Summer in other words would break up with their boyfriends soon, since they won’t be fighting an ideology in their head that says some of his behavior is admirable, while her reptilian brain is going “yuuck”. I.e. I think knowing about game will make all parts of brain in harmony you “yuuck”, quicker.

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  51. Seeking Alpha

    In other words, an alpha notices the IOI and pulls back to increase her attraction before proceeding further. A beta misses the IOI, takes her words logically and at face value, and gives up before he ever really tried.

    Well and concisely put.

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  52. Roissy….

    go see Inglorious Basterds…good movie

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  53. on August 28, 2009 at 4:34 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Haven’t seen, and won’t see, 500 Days of Summer, despite the presence of Zooey Deschanel. From the sounds of it, that picture is more of a “what-not-to-do” manual anyways; wouldn’t want the risk of internalizing bad behaviors.

    On the other hand, Kathryn Bigelow makes rather good pictures, both behind and in front of the camera. If I had a wife that appears to have held up as well as she has at her age—57 as of this writing—I think I’d be satisfied.

    A valuable review, all in all; points noted.

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  54. Thursday

    More generally some classic movies you might want to check out:

    Trouble in Paradise (Ernst Lubitsch)
    Pauline at the Beach (Eric Rohmer)
    To Have and Have Not (Howard Hawks)

    Roissy’s done some classic scenes of game in movies of course but most of those have been from olden times when more men were men. Classic flicks like HUD and Gone with the Wind and Streetcar Named Desire.

    What are some good contemporary game teaching movies that have a contemporary setting and hopefully neither a devastatingly handsome gamester nor one who’s in a classic girl pulling line of money making, such as being a gangster, rock star, actor, etc.? Obviously I don’t want those things because they either obviate the need for game or tend to automatically cause (or require) the guy to have a good deal of it.

    There’s the Tao of Steve a decade or more back that DOES directly teach game. It’s worth seeming. But it’s rather downscale game. The guy is seriously chubby/fat. His background target and success group has principally been bored married and open to cheating late 30s women of only middling or a bit better looks even for their age (6’s and 7s for their age), though not fat like him it’s true. Admittedly his main romantic interest in the film isn’t married, but she’s in her thirties (his age) and no beauty either. A 6 or at best a 7 (it’s been awhile since I’ve seen it.) Naturally his game doesn’t really work very well on her; and there’s a lot of feminist cow towing thrown in as well. In fact he (supposedly adorably, I’m sure feminists loved it) violates his own basic principals for the one he wants most and DOES chase her.

    He also has a pretty limited game repertory consisting principally of irrational self confidence, listening well, and making the girl chase. That last the flick does teach rather well. Well he also does do DHV, demonstrate higher value. Since he’s a lazy elementary school teacher, that’s a bit of a challenge but what he does in loopy Santa Fe NM land is make like a devotee and semi master of Taoist and other Eastern philosophy. Yeah that stuff actually is chick crack.

    Anyway, what else can you guys think of? Ideally it would be a case of someone how isn’t just a total natural, but somewhat self taught.

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  55. About time Hollywood gets called on the romantic-comedy crap they’ve been churning out all these years. It’s like catfood for Betas.

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  56. just speaking of films,

    i don’t know if any of you guys have ever talked about this but a really interesting comparison of beta/omega and a natural lesser alpha is “adaptation”. nick cage’s most worthwhile performance ever as twin brothers who are both screenwriters, one an introverted omega and the other an unself-conscious extrovert who lands cute girls and barrelasses his way into screenwriting with corny shoot em ups while the main character agonizes over pretentious arty adaptions. brilliant, if you like charlie kauffman

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  57. Roissy–

    I often wonder how much of your game or at least gender realism philosophy you share with women you’re dating for quite awhile. Like you are a girl currently I gather.

    I believe you said within the last few months, in some your comments to one of your game challenge posts, that you DON’T spill that you have this blog or are Roissy. Makes sense. I believe you’ve also intimated that you don’t spill that you’re a student of PU arts.

    But seeing as how you’re a rather intellectual kind of guy in an active sort of way, I would imagine it would be pretty hard to impossible to not share a bunch of your gender realism insights with girls in at least short, capsule sorts of ways. E.g. when discussing this movie with your date afterwards.

    You must run into challenges about how much to reveal about your insights and philosophy on gender realism and game all the freakin time with girls you date frequently.

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  58. What are some good contemporary game teaching movies that have a contemporary setting and hopefully neither a devastatingly handsome gamester nor one who’s in a classic girl pulling line of money making, such as being a gangster, rock star, actor, etc

    – The Wedding Date (male escort plays it cool like James Bond and doesn’t take her shit as his patroness falls in love with him)

    – Lucas (young Charlie Sheen charms the hot girl just by being his nice-guy jock himself, while o m e g a boy rants resentfully)

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  59. your synopsis makes sense in light of the fact that an Herb of the Highest Order I work with has been touting this movie for weeks.

    Something about the title has kept me from wanting to see it; I might watch it with my GF though to gauge our different reactions.

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  60. District 9 also had a loser beta as the main character, but it was still a badass movie.

    “i never did fuck one of those fucking creatures baby!!” this is while he’s morphing,crying and shit. lol

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  61. Luckily for him, he is good-looking in that nonthreatening way that appeals to weirdo chicks, so he snags quality pussy despite himself. Had his character looked like the typical guy his crippling betaness would have meant involuntary celibacy.

    this point cannot be made enough. whenever women drone on about how the want guys to be “nice” or “sweet” or “romantic”. they’re talking about guys to whom they are already attracted. women, and therefore most hollywood movies, start with attraction as a given. it’s either there or it’s not there. this helps propagate the belief that attraction is some mystical force that cannot be explained, or learned. and that keep betas beta.

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  62. Puma

    About time Hollywood gets called on the romantic-comedy crap they’ve been churning out all these years. It’s like catfood for Betas.

    Yeah but their number one audience is women, especially singe ones. Beta males go principally on dates with women who they think, usually correctly, will like them. Or at least the better among them. And that they are pretty safe choices (which is of course a beta consideration).

    Even though women are more attracted to alphas for sure, they still love a lot of the beta myths. NOT the Greg Apatow kinda beta guy fantasy myths, but the myths that what love does to a guy is make him act more beta (pedestaling) and that is just how it should be/how they like it.

    Yeah they want that happening to an alpha or at least a handsome and somewhat alpha guy though.

    Often not the total asshole types though that some/many in the PUA community wrongly theorize is what all the hotties want.

    No. They do want alphas but most don’t want real bad boy type alphas. Some do, but not most. And no the very hottest don’t tend to want that either. They want ENOUGH edge and bad boy to be exciting, but not so much as to make their lives chaotic and endlessly major stressful.

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  63. PA,
    Wall-E is not beta! For a garbage boy, he has done a terrific job snatching a younger, shinier and smarter model as his girlfriend.

    Until next Tuesday, Pupu won’t be able to say anything about Tom. It sounds that he could have done better.

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  64. Joseph Gordon Levitt is extremely plain-looking to me. Not good looking or ugly, just ordinary. I cannot imagine him inspiring romance on looks alone. I think a guy has to be in this guy’s territory,http://l.yimg.com/l/tv/us/img/site/54/94/0000035494_20061024024726.jpg to be able to just “be a dork” and still have hot women interested in him. A man needs to act manly, for himself as much as anything else.

    Androgeny is something that the girlies “get over” pretty quicky post 20. They want a manly man, just like we want an effiminate woman.

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  65. roissy,

    this is the first time i’ve heard of making sure getting the first lay on your turf. is that a common game thing or just something you prefer?

    [editor: home turf is a DHV. the king is always stronger as a host rather than the hosted.]

    i always prefer having home-court advantage for other reasons. if it is an away game, however, i make sure that a good deal of the action happens somewhere other than her bed: kitchen counter, bathroom sink, roommate’s bed. the idea being that i want fond memories (or horrific and debased… whichever) to pop into her head whenever she looks at those spots.

    [good advice. if you’re going to her turf for the inaugural lay, violate every room in her home and leave the place steeped in delicious memories.]

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  66. Wedding Crashers before it got all Beta, had some nice tips. And Vince Vaughan, who as damn funny, was a pretty good model for a lot of guys, i.e. achievable not something most guys can’t be (i.e. movie tough).

    Interestingly enough, “Taken” has a dichotomy between “girls Alpha” (the French Arab pick-up guy who helps stage the abduction of the girls) and the “man’s Alpha” (Neeson) who the ex-Wife finds useless and boring, until she actually NEEDS his violence and ability to kill people (to get their daughter back).

    Tao of Steve was written by a woman, so naturally it would not really cover Game.

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  67. Speaking of PUA–methods, FRAMING.

    Here is some “game” politicians and the establishment are running on all of us.

    Has anybody else noticed the AGW debate is being FRAMED in “security” terms now? Do you know what -that- means? It means military intervention is a possible “solution”. We are going to twist some Chinese, Indian, Indonesian, Russian, Polish, Eastern European, and South American arms very hard to get them to ratify whatever bullshido carbon-scheme Wall Street has concocted. We will then probably try and deter these entities from nuclear energy unless they are really on our buddy list. Its going to make energy more expensive, and the whole world poorer—–which is the fucking intent.

    Charles Hanley, a goddamned kook Associated Press reporter, had a column the other day, NOT on the editorial page, warning about massive wildfires in the USA in coming years because “the earth was RAPIDLY warming”. ###Horsefuckingabullintheass-SHIT! Its been the coolest summer of my life in the mid-south. Its been one of the coolest summers in memory in New York, Chicago, and the upper mid-west. This is the “one” they want, the carbon-footprint bill. I hope people become more aware at what is at stake if that abomination passes. Its about $1241 a year more for electricity per household according to the Wall Street Journal*http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/economic_downside_of_waxmanmar.html

    ####Hanley’s horeshit column here, http://www.newsday.com/beetles-wildfire-double-threat-in-warming-world-1.1380314

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  68. ” kitchen counter, bathroom sink, roommate’s bed. the idea being that i want fond memories (or horrific and debased… whichever) to pop into her head whenever she looks at those spots.

    [good advice. if you’re going to her turf for the inaugural lay, violate every room in her home and leave the place steeped in delicious memories.]”

    Damned, that IS impressive. You think of everything Roissy. The Cardinal Richelieu of Game strategy.

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  69. Swingers, with exception to its mildly beta ending, is a pro-Game movie. Two of it’s central characters are essentially PUAs (Vince Vaughn and Patrick Van Horn) who coach the beta main character (Jon Favreau) about how to be more alpha.

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  70. on August 28, 2009 at 5:34 pm Steve Johnson

    doug1-

    “Anyway, what else can you guys think of? ”

    Casino, the 1995 Scorsese film.

    Two main characters, De Niro plays Ace Rothstein, the beta of the pair and Pesci plays Nicky Santoro who’s pure alpha.

    Ace runs a huge casino and does it well and takes no shit. He sees to every detail: at one point he leaves a breakfast meeting to upbraid the chef for putting too few blueberries in some muffins. He catches a cheater? Plans a distraction, has one of his staff knock the guy out with a cattle prod, takes him in the back room and orders his guys to break his hand.

    In contrast, his personal life is pure beta. He falls in love with a hooker / con woman / hustler (Sharon Stone as Ginger). He proposes and she tells him she doesn’t love him. His reply? He tells her love can grow and he shows her how great a deal (financially) she’s getting by marrying him. Frames her as the prize and sets himself up as a sucker / provider to a woman who exploits provider men for a living. He violates game rules constantly in his relationship. He reacts to her emotions. She robs him to give money to her old pimp after he has his hotel security team beat the living hell out of the guy she throws a hysterical fit. His reaction? He reassures her that she’s better than that and stronger than he is. Perfect beta behavior. Perfectly wrong.

    Pesci’s character is pure alpha from beginning to end. He and De Niro’s characters are in a bar and some guy starts giving Ace shit. Ace doesn’t clue in immediately, Nicky, with no hesitation, stabs the guy with a pen:

    He’s got two other perfect alpha scenes, one game related, the other not.

    One, he’s talking with one of his underlings and asking what the mobsters in KC think about what’s going on in Vegas. His underling misunderstands what Nicky was asking. Does he explain? No, you don’t explain to an underling. He, without hesitating, just asks the same question in different words. The key is the not hesitating. It makes him seem completely unflappable and in charge.

    The other, game related scene. Ginger is crying about her husband having her ex-pimp beaten. Pesci runs a perfect boyfriend destroyer. He talks about how Ace gives her so much (money / jewels) and loves her so much and how he’s scared to death of losing her. Exactly what he needs to say to undermine her husband while on the surface being acceptable. Later when she has an emotional outburst he hits her and physically throws her out of his place.

    The end is pretty true to life too. The out of control super alpha is killed by a pack (led by his former number 2) for being out of control. The beta loses the girl but stays rich. The girl goes and hooks up with a biker gang, blows through millions and dies from a drug overdose.

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  71. Doug:

    I often wonder how much of your game or at least gender realism philosophy you share with women you’re dating for quite awhile. Like you are a girl currently I gather.

    I believe you said within the last few months, in some your comments to one of your game challenge posts, that you DON’T spill that you have this blog or are Roissy. Makes sense. I believe you’ve also intimated that you don’t spill that you’re a student of PU arts.

    But seeing as how you’re a rather intellectual kind of guy in an active sort of way, I would imagine it would be pretty hard to impossible to not share a bunch of your gender realism insights with girls in at least short, capsule sorts of ways. E.g. when discussing this movie with your date afterwards.

    You must run into challenges about how much to reveal about your insights and philosophy on gender realism and game all the freakin time with girls you date frequently.

    Would like to hear more as well.

    My motto is: play dumb.

    I’ve seen some newbies take to Game and use the topic in lieu of witty conversation. Usually “not cool.” Although it can be different with nerd girls.

    collegeboy:

    “i never did fuck one of those fucking creatures baby!!” this is while he’s morphing,crying and shit. lol

    lol

    Roissy:

    [editor: home turf is a DHV. the king is always stronger as a host rather than the hosted.]

    I’d amend this to exclude SNL’s and girls you don’t know very much about.

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  72. What about the movie “My Fair Lady”? Would that be a good candidate for game in classic film?

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  73. How about Love in the Afternoon?

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  74. Steve Johnson–

    Casino is a BRILLIANT nomination Steve.

    I’ve seen it twice.

    It doesn’t exactly teach game but it sure shows the perils of beta thought.

    A lot of what makes it such a brilliant nomination is that of the two DeNiro is obviously the natural alpha. He’s much better looking, unlike Pesci he’s not at all fat, and he’s also just as high T as Pesci is. The difference is all in their respective heads and philosophy. What they believe, and how that treat hot bitches, I mean women. Or rather that’s Pesci’s exclusive area of advantage; in all other ways DeNiro’s got it all over him. Starting power; money; looks; even starting connections.

    Another way to put it is that there’s no guy in film who would have more easily and greatly benefited from leaning or rather being converted to the wisdom of game, than the DeNiro character in Casino.

    Bang up. Thanks.

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  75. I want to read Roissy´s review of “The blue lagoon”, “Back to the blue lagoon” and “Titanic”

    My teens were forever marked by stupid girls who kissed a lot on the sofa, denied sex, and made me watch that blue lagoon that only makes you wish global warming would make all the pacific islands disappear

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  76. Casino is a great movie marred only by the boneheaded idea of giving voice overs to the Joe Pesci character. He was just not self-reflective enough to be giving us omniscient narration.

    Really though, all of Scorsese’s great movies (Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Casino) are excellent studies in the fragility of masculinity.

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  77. One further warning about the Tao of Steve.

    It does teach some game ideas but in a thoroughly gelded and feminist approved manner.

    It’s based upon a semi autobiographical novel or roman au clef, where natch the author was the sought after love interest that the improbable gamester gave up some of his methods for in his besottedness. (With no doubt a lot of massaging.)

    The basic resolution that the Tao of Steve points to is that improbable guys can be romantically thrilling — and in the end the house husband to a much more career driven woman.

    So while in the beginning and middle some downscale limited game is taught, the end message is terrible and thoroughly emasculating. Also false. She won’t be happy with her loyal house husband chubby former gamer and will cuckold him or leave him or both in that order.

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  78. Henry Higgins from My Fair Lady is exactly the kind of nerdy beta who thinks that women should be more like men. They can’t get outside their own aspergery minds to appreciate anything women have to offer and thus fail spectacularly when it comes to attracting mates.

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  79. Thursday

    Yeah.

    And unlike here and now that was a time and place and social strata (rentier, albeit lower rentier, class amateur scientist/scholar Edwardian London) that uniquely privileged and gave status to just that kind of man.

    It STILL didn’t really work very well to heat the hearts of lower class origin girls.

    If not there and then, never.

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  80. Beta of the month candidate:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1209451/Cheating-husband-wear-I-cheated-sign-wife.html

    Wife makes the guy wear a sign in public saying he cheated. Too funny, even if the guy is so pitiful.

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  81. “Then the movie would have been re-titled 5 Days of Summer, because Summer would have run crying from the room after she found Tom boffing her hotter best friend.”

    LMFAO 🙂

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  82. “beta”? Really? This is how you guys interact with the world? Pathetic! My guess is every single responder, plus the blog author, will die lonely and regretful.

    I’ve met some of you so called “alpha” males and invariably you have deep seated insecurity that makes you dangerous, lying jerks.

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  83. Open your eyes, losers. The “seduction” community is a huge, huge scam.

    http://www.revolution31.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

    Need examples?

    http://www.revolution31.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6784

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  84. Wil

    “beta”? Really? This is how you guys interact with the world? Pathetic! My guess is every single responder, plus the blog author, will die lonely and regretful.

    We all die alone. As for regrets, everyone has them unless you’re a sociopath. Part of making choices.

    I’ll give you a clue though Wil. You can be a lot more alone “with” someone than by yourself. One of the sweet ironies of life.

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  85. Basically the PUA community utilized the “secret” i.e. the new age LoA (Law of Attraction) modality to attract within their energy sphere what they want.

    From http://www.seductionbase.com

    Building disproportionately high self-esteemOne quality I see in myself and other successful PUAs is an unshakable self-confidence. This is often disproportionately high compared to what you might expect it to be, given the person’s background, looks, finances, intelligence, etc.

    Self-confidence is something you can work on. At the end of the day it’s just down to a set of beliefs – what the voices in your head are saying, and sometimes how loud they say it.

    I found Ross Jeffries’ Unstoppable Confidence to be extremely helpful, and there are plenty of other CDs and mp3s of confidence building hypnosis material around.

    It’s quite good to maintain a list of affirmatioins. Keep these in your phone or desktop, or even on old fashioned paper, somewhere you can see them every day. Here are some suggestions; and I’d like to emphasise that the first one is key to success with affirmations.

    1. I read aloud and modify my affirmations every day
    2. I succeed in anything I put my mind to
    3. I am a strong and confident penis
    4. The best choice any woman could make is to be with me
    If a woman rejects me, she is just demonstrating her own bad judgement

    By Magnus

    …………………………………………..

    As someone familiar with writing and reciting affirmations (a military strategy as well), I would scrap the second half of #4.

    “If a woman rejects me, she is just demonstrating her own bad judgement ”

    The Universe won’t hear “if”, it will only hear “rejects me” and you will be rejected.

    You have to edit out ALL negative phrasing in affirmations, otherwise you are affirming the negative and you will end up getting exactly what you DON’T want.

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  86. on August 28, 2009 at 7:21 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Interesting sidenote: Zooey Deschanel is marrying the uber-beta frontman of the indie band Death Cab for Cutie. Look up some pictures of the guy, his name is Ben Gibbard. Perhaps she has some twisted desire to torture beta males, both real and in fiction? She kind of looks the part…

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  87. on August 28, 2009 at 7:33 pm Willard Libby

    He peers over his cubicle wall at Summer (she’s the admin at his office) like a creepy stalker. If he was a fat, balding old guy this behavior would get him slapped with a sexual harassment suit. Game principle violated: Everything.

    Tom Brady explains how to pick up chicks at work without getting busted for sexual harassment.

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  88. on August 28, 2009 at 7:37 pm Willard Libby

    Zooey Deschanel is marrying the uber-beta frontman of the indie band Death Cab for Cutie. Look up some pictures of the guy, his name is Ben Gibbard.

    Ben Gibbard

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  89. on August 28, 2009 at 7:54 pm D. Ray Morton

    @ whiskey: “Tao of Steve was written by a woman, so naturally it would not really cover Game.”

    The moral of that film was basically that game doesn’t work on smart chicks. Pity.

    I wish there was more info on Duncan North (the guy on whom the main character was based). He was, by all accounts, a ridiculous natural.

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  90. Has anybody else noticed the AGW debate is being FRAMED in “security” terms now? Do you know what -that- means? It means military intervention is a possible “solution”.

    I think they mean energy security. As in: if we all act like good little SWPL pussy herbs, and embrace solar and wind, then Gaia the Earth goddess will bless us from her pedestal with sunshine and rainbows. And we won’t be slaves to dirty oil anymore because green energy will shoot out of our asses like lightening, creating jobs and welfare and liberal happiness while charging our cute little (manufacturing resource intensive, heavy metal battery) Prius cars.

    Of course it’s all bullshit. SWPL liberal wet dream bullshit. And if the bill passes it will just be one more nail in the coffin of the once-great-but-now-dying United States. Tell China to get ready, they will be taking center stage as the world superpower within 5-10. They deserve it for not bowing down to Earth worshiping religious fanatics hiding behind the scientific sounding label of environmentalism.

    Of course it’s been a cool summer. The planet has been cooling for years now. Bet you never hear that well established fact on the nightly news. You probably also won’t hear that China outputs more GHGs than the U.S. Or that it’s literally impossible to meet the targets of the U.S. global warming bill and still feed our population. Or that even if we did meet the bill’s targets, and even if the bullshit theory of AGW was true, it still wouldn’t accomplish a damn thing.

    I can’t even begin to express my rabid hatred for our so called representatives in government and their fucked up theories. I cheered Ted Kennedy’s death, but he’s only one, and they won’t have any problem finding another asshole to replace him. We need the lot of them to die, then we need to replace them with real leaders.

    Speaking of which, when a Republican governor had the chance to appoint a Senate replacement, the good liberal hypocrites of Massachusetts changed the law so that only the people could choose replacements via election. Now that Ted is Dead (happy dance), the hypocrites want the governor to ignore the new law and appoint a Democrat. Liberals never, ever care about laws, rules, or fairness, only power and who has it. Never forget that.

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  91. Oh yeah…the EPA is set to declare that CO2 is a dangerous pollutant.

    CO2…THE STUFF THAT PLANTS BREATH! Without which there would be NO LIFE ON EARTH.

    Stupid fucking morons, every last one of them. I only wish I was independently wealthy so that none of it would matter to me, and I could just laugh at America’s fall from a yacht anchored off some tropical resort.

    Maybe it’s good we’re being overrun with immigrants. Maybe, just maybe something of the old America will rub off on them. And after they’ve killed off the last of the self hating, Earth worshiping whites they can dust off our history books and constitution and make a go of it.

    It’s a long shot, but just maybe…

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  92. I thought it was a great movie. I’m gonna see it again.

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  93. Here’s a good one regarding badboys and how BATSHIT INSANE western women are …

    Premier League football star Calum Davenport is spending the evening with his mother and his sister Cara.

    Unfortunately for the Davenports, Cara loves thugs. She is five months pregnant by a badboy. Calum isn’t too pleased with the company she’s keeping and voices his concerns. An argument breaks out. Cara calls someone. Not long after, two knife-wielding badboys storm in through the front door and viciously attack Calum and his mother.

    The thugs specifically target Calum’s legs and do so much damage that the poor lad faces the possibility of amputation. The mother is also stabbed and has to be hospitalized. (Luckily, the surgery was a success and Calum will keep his legs, but his football career is over.)

    Now what does Cara the badboy whore do? Does she leave the thug? Does she condemn his actions? Does she finally begin to understand that thugs are bad news and that her brother’s concerns were justified?

    No. She loves the badboy. She will be with him to the very end. To hell with her mother, her brother, her family. Fuck them all.

    “His attacker was screaming, ‘This is what you get when you f*** around. You don’t f*** with us.’ He kept shouting it over and over and was so angry he was spitting as he said it.” Alex said he yelled for the man to stop, but added: “He just carried on hitting him. He wasn’t going to stop. He wanted to kill him.

    http://bit.ly/Lnx2U

    Suspect is sister’s lover

    Sources named him as the boyfriend of Calum’s sister Cara – thought to be five months pregnant with the alleged attacker’s child.

    Cara, 28, has been going out with him for about a year.

    http://bit.ly/cWnQy

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8217595.stm

    His pregnant sister broke down in court today as she supported the lover accused of maiming the West Ham ace….

    During the 20-minute court hearing, Cara whispered: “I love you” to her powerfully-built lover who appeared in the dock in a grey T-shirt and blue jeans.

    She sat with friends and relatives of Whitehurst in the public gallery of Bedford Magistrates’ Court.

    Here she is with her thug:

    http://bit.ly/qVRYB

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  94. The most annoying thing about the movie for me is that it shows Gordon-Levitt getting the girl without even doing anything – just being kind of cute and nice and doing a decent karaoke number. He doesn’t respond to the girl’s advances yet she still ambushes him with a passionate kiss by the copy machine.

    Does this ever happen in reality?

    I’ve had one experience where the girl was the initiator of the kiss but it involved copious amounts of alcohol and we were already in a situation where it was clear I was hitting on her. This Hollywood myth that independent women will get aggressively physical with a passive guy is misleading and dangerous.

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  95. GM – Government Motors – recently spooged out a lot of nonsense about the new sometime in the future Chevy Volt getting 230 mpg.
    At best, it will get 30 mpg on gas and be quite loud while doing it. The battery costs about 20,000 dollars and will last 3 years before needing replacement. Go Go Obama.
    The Feds might already be on their way to my email address with thick clubs and handcuffs for me having shared that.

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  96. So while in the beginning and middle some downscale limited game is taught, the end message is terrible and thoroughly emasculating. Also false. She won’t be happy with her loyal house husband chubby former gamer and will cuckold him or leave him or both in that order.

    @Doug1 —

    Indeed. That is a recipe for a personal disaster.

    I really do wonder when man will get it through their skulls that women are not, in the end, attracted to kitchen bitch husbands, equalist relationships, or men they are supporting due to earning more than them. Women loathe all of that, eventually, regardless of the feminist programming they have gotten that may tell them they should love being the marital dominatrix. And, being women, who are not stoic generally speaking and generally up and out when things are not to their liking, they *will* leave, they *will* cuckold, they *will* find something else that suits them. And they will be happy doing so — women love these personal transformations from time to time, whether it’s furniture, wardrobe, or relationships. The thing women fear the most: stagnation, stability, routine. They hate that.

    Women are not set up for marriage, really, unless the men they are married to are willing and able to make that marriage a constant roller coaster of emotion through Game. A marriage that settles into a routine is perceived by women as if they are living in a casket, and under the current legal system, they won’t put up with that. Men who wish to have successful marriages need to be nimble and keep the wives on their emotional toes — they love that, in the end, and will stay engaged, and not perceive it as a boring, stable, dull situation — something which is the kiss of death for the average woman.

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  97. “Women are not set up for marriage, really, unless the men they are married to are willing and able to make that marriage a constant roller coaster of emotion through Game. A marriage that settles into a routine is perceived by women as if they are living in a casket, and under the current legal system, they won’t put up with that. Men who wish to have successful marriages need to be nimble and keep the wives on their emotional toes — they love that, in the end, and will stay engaged, and not perceive it as a boring, stable, dull situation — something which is the kiss of death for the average woman.”

    I wrote a whole comment about that but since my comments are in a “holding pattern” none of them are showing up.

    Roissy????

    Anyway, I’ll repeat here; I overheard some women talking the other night in a restaurant. Must’ve been a “ladies night out”.

    A woman nearing 70, but still well kept, was saying how when she was really young she married an abusive man who even beat her up 2 weeks short of delivering a child. She tolerated everything thinking somehow that she “deserved” it (?!?!)

    When the bastard pulled out a knife on their 1 year old infant, she finally bounced.

    Not too long after she met and married a wonderful “nice” guy who took her and her kids in and took good care of them.

    After 40 years of “dying inside” she decided to divorce him.

    Reason? He had no goals. Never mind that he worked and financially provided for her kids, and loved them like his own.

    So, she divorced him and says she has “grown leaps and bounds” since leaving him, though they are still “good friends”.

    Other women in the audience were like, “what?! can we have his number?!”

    There is absolutely no reason why that woman could not have pursued the same goals she is pursueing now and still stay married to that man.

    He may have had no “goals”, but at least he was working!

    And this woman close to 70!

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  98. Who the fuck are the John Waynes, Steve McQueens, Clint Eastwoods, and Charles Bronsons of today?

    The little beta prick whom stars in this movie – never heard of him.

    Oh what about Brad Pitt I hear you say? Wah?! Mr Beta himself?!

    Lets face it, Hollywood is more gayer and betafied than ever before.

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  99. I don’t know what is worse; that you reviewed this movie, or that I read your review, but I definitely feel violated now that I’m done. I want that 50 seconds of my life back.

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  100. A slightly above average day for me. I hate writing field reports, because on most days they would be insanely long, but decided to do it just this once.

    http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&fid=24&read=96925

    Just read it. I’m still frustrated though because I can’t get the 10s that I actually want, who live in NYC, with any accuracy. Cold approach has just been really blah as a tool for getting 10s, though. 6s 7s, most 8s and 30 year old women are just as easy on cold approach as in real life. Most of the time though with cold approach it just seems like there’s a big red flag to overcome (that I just came randomly out of nowhere), and often too much pressure (they can get back to whatever they were doing any second), and even if you do get their number, it’s your only connection, which can lead to neediness (if she doesn’t call you back for example, you HAVE to call again or text again). Since I’m aware of all the other possibilities for getting 10s (such as working your way into a position where society pushes them at you), cold approach just seems too much work. But it’s a good skill to have.

    Another good skill to have? Editing your letters so you don’t go on and on about something. I’m still working on that skill.

    Until I master it I have one more thing to say:

    I am already the best approach artist I know, probably because a) I’m pretty good, and b) because sadly I haven’t met any good PUAs who have gone out with me and sarged together. Because I don’t pay them $. But just like a sexy woman should have two sides to her — the sinner and the saint, the librarian and the stripper — so a man would do well to have TWO SIDES:

    1) good in social circle. Life of the party sometimes. Ability to make people feel good. *Intelligent* guys would do well to cultivate networking + this as a method for getting chicks, over cold approach. Because intelligent guys are usually more inhibited, and also because they need others to play off of in social settings. And also because when they meet a girl, their social circle can fill in a lot of the “excitement” that the intelligent guy may not be able to provide.

    2) charming loner. Being able to approach anyone. Dark triad, narcissistic, captivating. *Reckless* guys would do well to cultivate a small group of boys + this as a method for getting chicks, over fitting into mainstream society. Because reckless guys have the emotional dominance already, escalating comes naturally to them. Also they have the balls to do stuff that intelligent guys don’t, and they don’t have to be bothered with getting ahead in society using “conventional” means like using a technical skill to earn more $. If they do get ahead it’s through ability to sell people on things.

    What my point is is that a man should have a bit of 1 and a bit of 2. He could approach the woman and offer her a bit of independent bad boy excitement, but then she can also introduce him to her friends and he can make everyone feel good in the social circle. It’s the sinner and the saint so to speak. I’m wondering whether this means that “being nice + escalating” is more for social circle, while “doing what you want – calibrating” is for cold approaches. If yes then you should compartmentalize … you shouldn’t mix the two or there may be bad repercussions.

    Greg

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  101. I really do wonder when man will get it through their skulls that women are not, in the end attracted to kitchen bitch husbands, equalist relationships

    Reading that will certainly destroy the marital dreams of many beta males. Depending on the male, they may seek out your game, while some may choose to opt-out than to become the other male that they may have secretly resented for years. We all know what David Alexander is going to do as a sub-human male…

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  102. Kitchen Bitch Husbands?

    Do I qualify? I love to cook. LOL.

    Seriously.

    My wife and I often compete to see who can make the yummiest stuff for the kids. I often win.

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  103. Roissy, I hope you do a review of “Adventureland”. Same idea as you brought up with “500 Days” (which I have not seen) applies: Did writer and director Greg Mottola do this on purpose (that is, brilliantly portray a natural beta to illustrate what not to do)? It seems like he almost had to. And in Adventureland, the Ryan Reynolds character is the perfect example of what exactly to do (and gives the beta, played by Jesse Eisenberg, brilliant, straightforward advice on getting laid throughtout the film, that he’s too naturally beta to take to heart).

    I just watched it a second time, and keep thinking, No, they couldn’t have put this amazing shit together almost by accident. But I think that, instead of purposely showing what not to do, some of these writers and directors that create this sort of stuff just fantasize about betas (likely themselves in cases such as this; Steve Sailer described this film as “quasi-autobiographical” in his AmConMag review in April) getting the hot girl in the end, and that inspires a great movie in this Adventureland case, somehow.

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  104. Off-topic, but I thought you guys might like this forum for women who “love death row inmates” –

    http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-239.html

    Most of them seem to have fallen in love with these scumbags since they were on death row.

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  105. David Alexander,

    The only one telling you that you are subhuman is yourself. You can indeed have someone, but it might a ordinary (not porn-star hot) chick. I think you have so-far chosen to masturbate to porn, but the option of a real female is out there for you should you decide to pursue it. If you can walk, see, have working ears, and two hands, you are a hell of a lot better off than many people out there in this world.

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  106. should you decide to pursue it

    I’ll be honest. I’m just not literally willing to pursue it for varying reasons, and it’s evidenced by my behaviour. It’s almost as if David really wants women in a compartmentalized easy to swallow form that doesn’t require him to do much.

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  107. on August 28, 2009 at 11:12 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I have a word that we are going to henceforth brand social-con Game-opponents of an Auster-aolpithecine bent as :

    BetaCons.

    So it has been written. So it shall be done.

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  108. Selah!

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  109. On the upside he did get laid didn’t he? Then again if that was the real world he wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near that far, right?

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  110. I enjoyed the chic flick Julie and Julia recently but I found this little true life tidbit interesting. Julie Powell is the real life woman who starts a blog based on Julia Child and cooks her way through her cookbook. Her husband Eric is a trouper and supports her throughout. In fact Julia refers to him as a saint many times in the movie. She appears to neglect him but he sticks by her, lovingly I might add. Sure there’s a small break up scene but HE comes back she does NOT go to him.

    Now Julie Powell is writing a new book in which she shares that after she got famous she had an affair. Her and her hubby stayed together and grew in understanding blahdee blah blah…oh and I bet she still calls him a saint. I’d say this is the story of a real life beta being portrayed as a beta.

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  111. on August 28, 2009 at 11:48 pm WELCOME TO HYENA USA

    Hey ‘gamers’ and PUAs – thanks for contributing to the ‘hyenaization’ and matriarchization of the once great U.S. of A:

    What’s more, female spotted hyenas are bigger and more aggressive than males. Every clan is a matriarchy ruled by an alpha female. In the clan’s strict power structure, adult males rank last. They must swallow abuse even from the most obnoxious juveniles or risk violent punishment from female coalitions. At a communal carcass, adult males eat last—if there’s anything left. When a male kills dinner on his own, he must gorge quickly before female clan members shove him aside.

    Nor do things improve much when it comes to mating. “With most animals, males duke it out and the winner gets the girls,” says Holekamp. “But with hyenas, females have 100 percent say.” They decide when and under what conditions they will tolerate deferential sperm donors. At age 2 or 3 a male leaves his natal clan and wanders off to beg acceptance into another clan. After vicious rejections, he eventually succeeds and reaps his reward: brutal harassment as the clan’s nadir, one of the last in line for food and sex. This probation, which biologists call “endurance rivalry,” is a test, Holekamp explains: “The guy who can stick it out the longest wins.” The trial lasts about two years, after which some females may grant him access. “You do not want to be a male hyena,” Holekamp says.

    One gender contradiction is the female spotted hyena’s long clitoris, almost indistinguishable from a penis, through which the animals urinate, mate and even give birth. Scientists call the unusual organ, which is capable of becoming erect, a pseudopenis or a peniform clitoris. To further confuse matters, a female’s labia are fused and made bulbous by two fatty pads, creating the illusion of a scrotum. For centuries, because of these anomalies, hyenas were suspected of being hermaphrodites capable of changing gender and performing witchcraft. More than once, Holekamp has been startled when a putative male known to her since cub-hood suddenly gave birth.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/hyena.html#comments#ixzz0PXYtW8Wq

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  112. on August 28, 2009 at 11:55 pm WELCOME TO HYENA USA

    TYPICAL URBAN AMERICAN BAR FULL OF PUA GAMERS AND ‘SEDUCTION ARTISTS’ = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oel79kS4Iw

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  113. on August 28, 2009 at 11:59 pm WELCOME TO HYENA USA

    LUCKILY I’VE ALWAYS SIDED WITH THE LIONS = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmvKBs53YM&feature=related

    + So which are you…a hyena or a lion?

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  114. dude that gay shit didn’t warrant 3 posts

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  115. aoefe — Hubby is probably looking to bolt from her by divorcing her ass at her biggest payday. Another John Gosselin.

    Woman gets famous, bangs a higher-ranking guy. What this does, incrementally, is make most guys cohabitate, walk-out at the first sign of trouble, and try to bang girls on the side. It in fact pushes guys to be A-holes if they like it or not, because it’s what women respond to, and it’s the only way to deal with rampant female infidelity.

    Particularly with the economy continuing to move south, and women doing better than men, this means most guys are going to be cheated on Kitchen Bitch in their marriages, and most will get even by simply macking on whoever and whatever is around, while spending wifey’s money. Call it John Gosselin syndrome.

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  116. I’ll note that the movie left THAT detail (her cheating) out of the movie — which is too bad. Any guy that saw it would know the score. Monogamy is dead, women will cheat at the drop of a hat with a bigger Alpha, and men who find their wives rising in status relative to them can GUARANTEE they will get cheated on.

    Period.

    Hence the acellerating death of marriage, and men simply trying whatever it takes (basically the default Ed Hardy wearing Flatbiller A-hole) to spread their seed with as many women as possible.

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  117. Whiskey,

    Women deserve what they get.. stone age thinking might not work for long in this age.

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  118. Can students of game explain to a woman why so many members of my sex love, I mean really love, When Harry Met Sally? Billy Crystal’s character in that movie strikes me as the most obnoxious kind of phoney-not-quite-nice-guy beta, yet many women find the story entirely satisfying and delightful. I suppose that could be because it shows a happy ending for a woman who was single for too long, but still – I’d rather be single than end up with the obnoxiously critical (but not in an alpha way), tiresomely whiny, Crystal character. Some women must find him appealing, but I don’t see why.

    On the other hand, The Big Easy, with Ellen Barkin and Dennis Quaid at his best, is the story of a man who is a “natural” alpha yet who uses his Game to pursue marriage to a shy, brittle lawyer. Not altogether believable but still well done.

    It’s odd that Meg Ryan, who played in so many romantic comedies with so many somewhat beta co-stars, in real life ended up first with Dennis Quaid, who was never faithful to her (according to gossip mags) and clearly an alpha male, and then for a short time Russell Crowe, perhaps the one actor who could easily make Quaid feel beta-ish. In fact, though Quaid was far more classically good-looking (Crowe’s face is rather undefined), you could say that Crowe was a younger, Australian, version of Quaid. And a better actor, with greater range.

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  119. It in fact pushes guys to be A-holes if they like it or not, because it’s what women respond to

    Is sex more desirable than dignity and pride?

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  120. on August 29, 2009 at 1:02 am Pride goeth before the O

    DA – “Is sex more desirable than dignity and pride?”

    So says the guy who admits to anyone he masturbates constantly to porn?

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  121. Good call, Aoefe. I didn’t know that she had an affair with him though, but it’s not very surprising. I wonder if she blogged about it? Probably not, right?

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  122. I watched Julie Powell on video after the release of the movie and the NY Times interviewer who was cooking beef bouginion with her brought it up. She says she deals with it in her next book, but does say that she is happy with her hubby now. I don’t know if she’s blogged about it, I haven’t followed hers, too busy with Roissy. heh heh

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  123. Roissy, you probably shouldn’t have gone see a chick flick, not especially with some broad(s).

    Not only is it a very beta thing to do, you have also indirectly contributed to the box office takings, and in turn financial success, of the movie. The producers, directors and companies will go,”Hey, we did better than expected! Time to make another chick flick! Coming summer 2010!”

    If you really wanted to watch it just for evaluation purposes, please harness the piracy power of the internet. Or wait for the DVDs and rent/borrow them when they are out.

    Bottomline: chick asks you to see a chick flick with her, tell her to fuck off.

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  124. So says the guy who admits to anyone he masturbates constantly to porn?

    I see nothing wrong with masturbation. It’s a perfectly valid alternative lifestyle for those of us who care not to put up with shit tests or the awful logistical issues inherent in dealing with women in a sexual manner. Securing an orgasm at my convenience is rather nice, especially since it doesn’t require working with another person to do so.

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  125. spunk, too alpha for girls.

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  126. Her new book TRUMPETS the affair, front and center, because it both appeals to female narcisissm (one ballerina wrote a book about all the guys she took it up the pooper from, seriously, and it was a NYT best-seller) but also more punishment for Hubby — humiliation nationwide as the cuckold.

    The book reportedly goes on and on about how “passionate” the affair with her old boyfriend who was an Asshole Alpha, and how much she “despised” her Beta husband for being supportive.

    Enough of this, publicized, and women can’t help it because narcissism is the typical female flaw unless controlled (as violence is the male flaw) and men simply stop being nice guys beta/supportive kitchen bitch. Culture can change FAST. My guess is anonymous urban violence and uncaring reaction by men, with ever escalating tendencies. Race to the thuggiest.

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  127. men simply stop being nice guys beta/supportive kitchen bitch

    And sadly, the call of pussy will drag some men down in the evil world of the asshole, while the rest of us will refrain and maintain our dignity.

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  128. What about the movie Spiderman (#1)? Peter Parker has superpowers and still acts like a dweeb when not fighting crime. It reminds of an ex-champion fighter who said a warrior’s true strength is his fighting spirit not so much how physically strong he is per se.

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  129. lapin:

    He doesn’t respond to the girl’s advances yet she still ambushes him with a passionate kiss by the copy machine.

    Does this ever happen in reality?

    I haven’t seen the movie, so I can’t comment on this particular scene, but what you describe definitely happens in real life.

    Not responding to the advances of a girl who likes you can easily provoke such a reaction, even if you’re not responding only because you’re too clueless to recognize her indications of interest. Despite their general acuteness in these matters, girls will often confuse this for cool aloofness. Nowadays I’d know better how to act, but back when I was in the handsome-but-clueless category, such unexpected kisses happened to me from time to time. (Sadly, I’d usually screw up before anything concrete came out of it.)

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  130. Zunder:

    Who the fuck are the John Waynes, Steve McQueens, Clint Eastwoods, and Charles Bronsons of today?

    Indeed. This is one of the most striking indicators of the frightful cultural changes in recent decades. Today, action movies more than 20 years old look like they were filmed in an entirely different world.

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  131. Ugh. Today is the late Michael Jackson’s birthday. Check out the Google logo.

    What Roissy said before about Google was spot on: “There’s a reason I use dogpile.com. Google is a totalitarian unAmerican left wing behemoth with delusions of Soviet grandeur. I hope it fails.”

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  132. on August 29, 2009 at 3:40 am msexceptiontotherule

    Movie roles with hotness:

    Jason Statham as character named “Turkish” from Guy Ritchie’s ‘Snatch’;

    Clive Owen, in title role “Arthur” from ‘King Arthur’;

    Daniel Craig, starting with the character “XXXX” in “Layer Cake” and continuing with his induction into the “James Bond” franchise hall of famers

    and,

    Ray Stevenson, as character “Titus Pullo” from the tv series ‘Rome’.

    That’s the thing about actors/actresses; they’re employed in an industry where it’s expected for them to assume an identity of a character and literally be that person beyond the level of doing it only while they’re on set and in front of a film crew. Anyone who can be whoever they are hired to be for the purposes of entertaining, to the extent that they’re successful in the movie/tv industry – has to have some serious problems when they attempt to be themselves. Though the fact that I think Sean Connery’s role as the voice of the dragon for “Dragonheart” is an accent worth finding in younger/more attractive packaging.

    And is it acceptable for the man to cook because he doesn’t want to have to say anything nice about what his wife has prepared, much less eat any of it? And it’s so awful that you can’t bring yourself to intentionally inflict cruel and unusual punishment (through feeding it to) on the dog while she’s not looking?

    “Cheating is an industry; kids see there is profit to be made from cheating – and we still want to think that violent video games and movies are screwing with their heads.”

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  133. Layercake.
    Excellent movie!

    Want a real good laugh, watch this movie all about rival football(soccer) hooligans in England.

    http://www.movie-gazette.com/905/the-football-factory/comment-page-1

    I spent time in England in my early twenties, and can vouch for this movies authenticity.
    The football fans over there are fucking nuts. Don’t go looking for a plot in this movie, its nothing but a realistic view of rival footie gangs smashing the fuck out of each other.

    And it’s fucking good.

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  134. By the way – pay no attention to the silly cunt that reviewed the movie on the link I provided.

    The best movies to see are the ones (generally) that the critics pan.

    I mean, the fluffy bunch of fuckspud movie called “Titanic” got rave reviews, but we all know the truth about that pile of shite, don’t we.

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  135. For anyone that is interested, I explore a lot of the stereotypes/truths I see presented here laid bare thanks to what people Google when they are shrouded in the anonymity of the internet:

    http://lesenjournal.wordpress.com

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  136. “Jason Statham as character named “Turkish” from Guy Ritchie’s ‘Snatch’;”

    if i remember correctly, statham’s character in that movie was kind of an idiot. not at all the sex symbol he was in “crank” and others.

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  137. “Not only is it a very beta thing to do, you have also indirectly contributed to the box office takings, and in turn financial success, of the movie. The producers, directors and companies will go,”Hey, we did better than expected! Time to make another chick flick! Coming summer 2010!””

    this is the problem. the MRA-ists want to borrow a page from the feminists and get all idealistic. the spirit of roissy’s teachings and the idea of Game is to have fun with all this shit. we men have a better sense of humor about these things; we know the world is cold, hard, and a pile of bullshit, why not make it a big joke.

    why get all serious about adding $9 to the bottom line of some movie studio. what’s next? are we going to band together and boycott products like “for her pleasure” Trojans because they are misandrist? nah, fuck that….i’d rather just make fun of how stupid feminists are and laugh at the whole thing.

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  138. on August 29, 2009 at 4:57 am zunderdownunder

    Yeah well Chuck, I don’t all agree with Roissy either.
    I am centre left politically (I am sure he caught Ted Kennedy fucking his mother at an impressionable age), I think women can’t all be the mad cunts he makes them out to be, and I think he secretly masturbates to a pic of Ladyraine…….but I love reading his shit, and if he wants to pay $9 bucks to review a movie none of us now have to go and see, then I say go for it.

    I guess when you get as many followers to your blog, I’ll give your shit equal time – but for now, Roissy (and Roosh) are the PUA/game blogs that I have saved in my favourites. And if they want to watch a beta moive and report on it for us – then all to the good.

    I am waiting for someone to do a whole evaluation of the fucked up modern Hollywood film industry. That might entail someone having to squirm their way through a whole bunch of beta bullshit movies.

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  139. Celtic

    How many LTRs have you managed, TJF?

    Don’t try to muddy the waters. If you have a counter-argument, present it.

    Steve Johnson

    Pesci’s character is pure alpha from beginning to end. He and De Niro’s characters are in a bar and some guy starts giving Ace shit. Ace doesn’t clue in immediately, Nicky, with no hesitation, stabs the guy with a pen:

    Being a batshit crazy psychopath is alpha behavior? Well, you’d better hope your game works in prison, because you’re going to be spending a lot of time there.

    One, he’s talking with one of his underlings and asking what the mobsters in KC think about what’s going on in Vegas. His underling misunderstands what Nicky was asking. Does he explain? No, you don’t explain to an underling. He, without hesitating, just asks the same question in different words. The key is the not hesitating. It makes him seem completely unflappable and in charge.

    I’m sure this will work splendidly in the adult world. Like, say, in the military, where miscommunication can result, and has resulted, in people dying.

    novaseeker

    Women are not set up for marriage, really, unless the men they are married to are willing and able to make that marriage a constant roller coaster of emotion through Game.

    That’s like getting a car that shuts down every two hours, and you have to do something to the engine before it will start again. Most sensible people would just get a car that doesn’t do that.

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  140. Her new book TRUMPETS the affair, front and center, because it both appeals to female narcisissm (one ballerina wrote a book about all the guys she took it up the pooper from, seriously, and it was a NYT best-seller) but also more punishment for Hubby — humiliation nationwide as the cuckold.

    The book reportedly goes on and on about how “passionate” the affair with her old boyfriend who was an Asshole Alpha, and how much she “despised” her Beta husband for being supportive.

    @Whiskey —

    It’s also indicative of the huge double standard on adultery in our society today: male adultery is typical “male pig” behavior, while female adultery is celebrated as “liberating and empowering” and “leading to a deeper understanding” of life and relationships. It’s really wild when you sit back and look at how differently male and female infidelity are viewed — it’s a very clear litmus test of just how anti-male the whole society has become.

    I’m not sure that men are rational enough to opt out of these kinds of marriages, though. I see plenty of stupid men entering into them, like voluntarily lining up for the firing squad really.

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  141. on August 29, 2009 at 5:27 am zunderdownunder

    BTW, I was joking about L/Raine, Roissy. You probably have a pic of her imprinted on your toliet paper.

    Novaseeker: Silly cunt shows like “Sex in the City” , ‘Depsearte Housewives” are synonomus to this idea that slutty women, whether married on not, are “liberated” and “empowered” by being cheating bitches.

    The sad fact is, that a large bunch of male beta / homo producers have allowed the TV / Moive Industry to slide into the abyss of feministic tripe.

    What happened to Bonanza, Gunsmoke, High Chaparral, Dirty Harry, Death Wish, They Call me Trinity ………..fuck, those were the days.

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  142. Here’s a Joseph Gordon-Levitt quote from IMDB: “Most love stories that are told in Hollywood are just bullshit, and everyone knows it. You go there expecting to be sold a bill of goods that you know is wrong. And sometimes you go anyway, like if a girl drags you or something…”

    Heh.

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  143. on August 29, 2009 at 6:59 am zunderdownunder

    Heh heh,
    Right on James O.

    Go back to 1998. Here is what MADDOX wrote about the flavour movie of the moment back then: TITANIC
    (…I think he and Roissy could be brothers).

    Titanic: Who Cares?
    “Today I caught my brother watching some super hyped show about the Titanic on the Discovery Channel. It was about some diving team that blew all sorts of time and effort into making a deep sea diving robot that could take high-resolution pictures of the Titanic. Booooring… Who cares? This one scored a 10 on my I-don’t-give-a-shit list.

    The show had really bad narration, with some guy spewing bullshit like “For the first time in 86 years, we’ll actually be able to see inside the Titanic and perhaps understand more about this epic mystery…” What mystery?!? The ship hit an ice burg. How much more transparent can it get?

    This show was obviously an attempt to jump onto the Titanic bandwagon and cash in on the suckers that went and saw the movie. The way the Titanic was hyped could make someone believe that it was the only ship in history that ever sunk. Ask the average jackass that saw the movie if they could list 3 other ship wrecks, and they’d probably give you a blank look or mumble something about the Hindenburg (close, except for it was a blimp and it had nothing to do with the sea).

    Do any research on shipwrecks, and you’ll find literally thousands of entries. SS Truscania, TEV Wahine, Hispania, Andrea Doria etc. But does anyone give a shit about the people who died on these ship wrecks? Hardly. Not in comparison to the Titanic hype.

    The amount of money wasted on movies and books about the Titanic could have probably raised the rust heap out of the ocean by now. Who cares about the people who died on the RMS Titanic? Seriously? I bet that 99% of the people who watched the movie and bought the books and the horrible sound track (with the evil bitch Celine Dion on it) and watched all the documentaries, aren’t even remotely related to anyone that died on the ship. Why should they care? It happened almost 100 years ago. People get killed every day around the world for the rights people in America take for granted, yet nobody makes a billion dollar movie about them, let alone with a record selling soundtrack. People shouldn’t buy into the hype, and they shouldn’t care so much about something so trivial, but no; millions stand in line, eager to be jabbed with a $7.00 fee to piss away three hours of their lives to watch some adulterous whore flirt with a loser. Oh, and on a side note, if I ever hear anyone utter the phrase “I’m the king of the world!” in public again, I’m going to lose all self control and bludgeon them into a puddle. You’re not the king of the world, you’re nothing.

    If I died tomorrow, there won’t be a movie made about me 70 years later. There won’t be a song made about me by some evil bitch trying to be emotional. Am I less important than the people who died on the Titanic? Hell no. I’m much more important, to hell with them. Do you also think you’re more important than the people who died on the Titanic?”

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  144. Celtic

    How many LTRs have you managed?

    Don’t try to muddy the waters. If you have a counter-argument, present it.

    Steve Johnson

    Pesci’s character is pure alpha from beginning to end. He and De Niro’s characters are in a bar and some guy starts giving Ace shit. Ace doesn’t clue in immediately, Nicky, with no hesitation, stabs the guy with a pen:

    Being a batshit crazy psychopath is alpha behavior? Well, you’d better hope your game works in prison, because you’re going to be spending a lot of time there.

    One, he’s talking with one of his underlings and asking what the mobsters in KC think about what’s going on in Vegas. His underling misunderstands what Nicky was asking. Does he explain? No, you don’t explain to an underling. He, without hesitating, just asks the same question in different words. The key is the not hesitating. It makes him seem completely unflappable and in charge.

    I’m sure this will work splendidly in the adult world. Like, say, in the military, where miscommunication can result, and has resulted, in people dying.

    novaseeker

    Women are not set up for marriage, really, unless the men they are married to are willing and able to make that marriage a constant roller coaster of emotion through Game.

    That’s like getting a car that shuts down every two hours, and you have to do something to the engine before it will start again. Most sensible people would just get a car that doesn’t do that.

    A-Brax

    I bet “you know who” is really Conor Friesendorf…

    I don’t even know who that is.

    The unwillingness to consider game as a useful but morally neutral tool for improving one’s interactions with women, and the girly-man emphasis on daydreaming and LTRs gives him away.

    There is nothing morally neutral about game.

    LTRs are for girly-men? What the fuck is that even based on? Hey, let me try a non-sequitur too: game is for faggots only.

    Hey Conor/Who – go read the Dave in Hawaii post and tell me that game (properly understood) is fundamentally at odds with LTRs. We’ll wait.

    I’ve explained why Dave and his supporters are wrong many, many, many times.

    PS – Being in an LTR doesn’t mean you hand your nuts over to your wife/girlfriend…you f-ing pussy.

    And where exactly did I advocate handing over your nuts to your girlfriend, you fucking child molester?

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  145. I think The Last American Virgin was a little more true to life.

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  146. Roissy, Off topic, but what do you think of Arkady39 on YouTube?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/arkady39

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  147. Roissy,

    How does game work for the handicapped man? Or those guys injured or maimed coming back from Iraq? Do they have to have “super game” to get a healthy woman or is game only for healthy males?

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  148. “He doesn’t respond to the girl’s advances yet she still ambushes him with a passionate kiss by the copy machine.

    Does this ever happen in reality?”

    Yes, constantly. The two men I know who don’t respond to flirting (they both ‘save themselves’ for women they are attracted to on all levels) are the ones who constantly have women flinging themselves at them, to the point of assault. It’s uncanny.

    In the dog training world this is know as a ‘calm assertive’ personality. Neither submissive nor aggressively dominant. Natural leadership.

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  149. WELCOME TO HYENA USA:

    One gender contradiction is the female spotted hyena’s long clitoris, almost indistinguishable from a penis, through which the animals urinate, mate and even give birth. Scientists call the unusual organ, which is capable of becoming erect, a pseudopenis or a peniform clitoris. To further confuse matters, a female’s labia are fused and made bulbous by two fatty pads, creating the illusion of a scrotum.

    Hmm. Maybe Lady Rain has some hyena in her bloodline.

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  150. on August 29, 2009 at 11:41 am Velvetgunther

    Totally off topic, but is being a Meatloaf fan beta? He sings about cars and chicks, and I like that…

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  151. Unfortunately D. Alexander was born 100 years or more too late. Being 5’7″ was considered a tad above average for millennia. Unfortunately, the average Westerr male height has shot up from around 5′ to 6′ in one century. Nowadays being a sturdy 6’0″ doesn’t mean much as there are plenty of young men who 6’4″+ (and it’s not too hard finding young women who 5’10″+!). Theoretically, being 7 feet tall should be fairly average in around 2100 (if not 2050). Unfortunately, wth the steady food input from 1900 women have prefer tall sturdy men over shorter skinny guys hence the rapid growth in height in humans.

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  152. zunder, my comment was aimed at spunk.

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  153. Gil, you’re wrong.

    With improved nutrition in the last century we’ve merely returned to more typical hunter-gatherer average heights (which based on studies on 20,000 skeletons, were around 5’6″ for women, 5’10” for men).

    The Dawn of Agriculture was when we got shorter, and heights had barely recovered when the Industrial Revolution hit and people shrunk farther.

    Average height will never be 7′, LOL.

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  154. I liked The Proposal where the guy spends the movie coming out with quips like these:
    — “You can do this, but that would require you to stop snacking on children while they dream.”
    — *as she struggles with luggage* “Put your back into it, honey. *addressing a bemused family member* She’s a feminist…won’t let me help her.”

    Now tell me what romcom had the hero saying that to the heroine?!

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  155. the toothpick is solid; props

    literally and figuratively.

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  156. Totally off topic, but is being a Meatloaf fan beta? He sings about cars and chicks, and I like that

    However, he didn’t sing about kicking ass. But hey, two out of three ain’t bad.

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  157. on August 29, 2009 at 2:51 pm The Fifth Horseman

    More visible evidence of Western devolution being passed off as progressivism :

    I happened to notice a sharp uptick in the number of SWPL women who breastfeed in public *without* covering up.

    Furthermore, it appears that some SWPL women are even posting videos of them breastfeeding in public, on youtube, in order to ‘gain acceptance’.

    So breastfeeding exhibitionism is the new frontier of SWPL progressivity. Part of this strategy includes breastfeeding a kid until age 5 or later (!!).

    While these SWPL women consider themselves ‘progressive’ for conducting this exhibitionism, this is precisely a devolution down to third world ways. Anyone who has been to a dirt-poor country knows that women who breastfeed in public are only the poorest of the poor, who have so many kids, and have so much laborious work to do, that they don’t know or care about covering up.

    Now, I am not opposed to seeing an engorged female nipple per se, but I am opposed to this being passed off as progressive advancement.

    Again, this is only the poorest of the poor in India, Africa, SE Asia, etc. Furthermore, these poor women have 7 kids before the age of 35, rather than the SWPL woman who has just one, that too after the age of 35, and intends to breastfeed the kid until the kid is 7 and the woman is 42.

    A grandfather clock comes to mind.

    This is just the latest example of SWPLs thinking of something to be ‘progressive’ when it is precisely devolutionary.

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  158. Nova, I think for younger cohorts the trend is cohabitation. Enough knowledge of the female-male double standard on adultery, women’s hyprgamy, Game, and so on and men simply will choose to Game/compete for women like video game rentals. To some extent this seems already happening. Marriage rates are way down, more of that stuff getting public, for every guy who hears it is one more guy who will cohabitate not marry.

    Zunder — TV and movies have largely been captured by the “New Girl Order” and gay/female oriented execs and directors and writers. Alan Ball, openly gay, of Six Feet Under, American Beauty, and Tru Blood is a good example. Hollywood has cruised on past earnings and a few big male-oriented hits (Transformers, Batman) to make stuff for it’s own amusement. It’s an open question how long that will last.

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  159. on August 29, 2009 at 3:09 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Whiskey,

    Cohabitation is only slightly less risky.

    Child support = alimony is unchanged.

    Palimony and other creeping rackets affect cohabitation. So pre-cohab is needed just like a pre-nup (which itself does not shield against the biggest scam of all, child support = alimony).

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  160. on August 29, 2009 at 3:49 pm Willard Libby

    Here the beta boy gives his excuse:

    (L-R) Co-writer Scott Neustadter, co-writer Michael Weber, director Marc Webb and actor Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    (500) Days of Summer: Revenge is writing a film about the girl who dumped you

    By Scott Neustadter
    28th August 2009

    It is surely the greatest act of revenge in the history of cinema. When American Scott Neustadter was dumped by an English girl, it not only dented his pride, it also inspired him to write a movie about it – which has become a hit in the U.S.

    Now (500) Days Of Summer is about to be released here, and for once it is the man in the romcom left licking his wounds. Here, Scott reveals why it definitely is not a love story.

    The opening credits for my film include the standard legal disclaimer that ‘any resemblance to people living or dead is purely coincidental’. But then it adds: ‘Especially you, Jenny Beckman. Bitch.’

    That tells you a lot about how I felt when she ended a relationship I so desperately, even pathetically, wanted to make work, even though it was always patently clear to me that she saw no future for us. (There’s a lot of speculation on the internet about whether that’s her real name. I’m saying nothing.)

    I first saw her across a room in October 2002, having enrolled at the London School of Economics for a Masters in media and communications.

    I had two thoughts almost immediately. The first was that, in her, I had found exactly what I’d been looking for. The second was that this was going to end very, very badly. I was on the rebound from a relationship that had ended months before in New York, where I had been working for a film company.

    I had been desolate. You know the drill. Sleepless nights, long days watching Swedish movies and listening to The Smiths on a constant loop.

    But when I met this girl in London, my depression lifted, my heart filled with love again and I felt that this could only be the result of divine intervention. We began chatting and found that we shared the same taste in books and music. That had to mean something, right?

    I was crazily, madly, hopelessly in love, but, of film about the girl who dumped you course, I never told her. How could I? She showed no sign that she was interested in me. But I did tell just about everyone else in my class, and one of my friends tipped her off at a party.

    This led to an awkward walk to the night bus, but on the way she kissed me and after that everything changed.

    We – OK, she – decided soon after that to not use labels. ‘Boyfriend/girlfriend,’ there would be none of that. Labels equalled possession and this girl was her own woman. And so I went with it. What did I care what we called ourselves as long as she kept calling?

    I thought it was modern, cultured – anything other than what it actually was: uncertainty, confusion, detachment. It was a roller coaster. Some days were perfect – I have beautiful memories of us drinking wine, watching bands and sneaking kisses in the elevator at the LSE.

    While other days – lots of days – were unforgettably awful. Eventually, she told me what I had always known deep in my heart: that this thing, whatever it was, simply wasn’t going to work for either of us.

    And so I went back home to the States and found myself right back into the Swedish movies and The Smiths CDs.

    The whole thing had been a mistake, I told myself. Divine intervention, my eye. Bored with moping, my friend Michael H. Weber and I decided to channel those energies into something of value. A screenplay.

    Reliving every moment of my bitter-sweet, one-sided romance was a cathartic experience for me – and the end result, we were shocked to find, was pretty decent.

    The finished film tells it all just as it happened, however embarrassing my puppy-like devotion and however aloof it makes her look.

    The setting is changed, as are the names. Tom Hansen – aka me! – is played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt and writes messages for greeting cards. The girl who breaks his heart is Summer Finn (Zooey Deschanel), a secretary in the same office.

    However, the final denouement is the same. I won’t spoil it by giving it away, but there was no storybook ending for Tom and Summer, just as there wasn’t for Jenny Beckman and me.

    It comes in a stunning moment, drawn entirely from real events, like the rest of the film, which has an unexpectedly powerful impact on Tom and Summer’s lives, just as it did on Jenny’s and mine.

    Thanks to this script and the process of writing it down, I was able to liberate myself from my own misery. I’m two years into another relationship and have never been happier.

    One curious footnote, though. After writing the screenplay, I met up with Jenny for the first and only time since we broke up. We had dinner in Venice Beach, California. We talked about life, friends, everything – but not about what had happened between us.

    I gave her the script to read on the flight back to London. Some time later she wrote me a letter. She loved the story, she said. It had surprised and moved her because she really related to Tom. Yes, incredibly, Jenny hadn’t recognised herself as Summer at all.

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  161. Sofia:

    “For anyone that is interested, I explore a lot of the stereotypes/truths I see presented here laid bare thanks to what people Google when they are shrouded in the anonymity of the internet:

    http://lesenjournal.wordpress.com

    Interesting . . .

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  162. Well, I know of a beta who seems to be getting his wife back. This is an older serious guy (31) with a younger crazy wild (25) wife. She left him about a year ago, even though they had a fairly new baby. He was just too boring. She needed room.

    Now, they are getting back together. He never gave up on her or their relationship. She has decided that no matter how great a guy seems, eg. the one she was dumping her husband for:

    “.. all relationships go through the same shit. I don’t want a baby by him [The new guy.] And [my husband], that man lives to love me. He treats me right.”

    So, beta boys (in this case, beta men), she might decide to take you back, after she dumps you, if she decides that you are sufficiently useful.

    Take heart. You might be a useful tool, yet.

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  163. Hehe that’s a great find, Willard.

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  164. This here is the best website I’ve ever read on game. The articles at the bottom. It’s very likely the lack of dog ownership in America is responsible for the need for “game.”

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  165. Disclaimer: way OT.

    I’ve noticed that a number of SWPL couples get married and the chick keeps her last name. How Beta.

    I was wondering if anybody could dig up some stats on how their marriages faired when chicks keep their last name. The results of a study like this would make some interesting banter since most of the eurotrash types I know have the chick keep her last name.

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  166. For most guys Joel, that’s a losing proposition. More than likely they’ll just turn into an Asshole as much as possible themselves. Become as much Ed Hardy/Flatbiller-thuglite as possible. SOME might desperately want to be a Kitchen Bitch, but most figure a woman who left once is already out the door. [Which is true.]

    Willard — A great find. Pathetic beta stuff.

    I do think what Roissy, Roosh, Mystery, and a heck of a lot of others write about on the internet, free and open to anyone and everyone, is going to have tremendous impact. As men get downsized (Mancession) and women retain marginal advantage (they’ll get downsized too, but will find it easier to pick up part-time legal work) marriage and as 5Horseman notes, cohabitation will be redefined. Towards Black Ghetto/British Chav norms. Marriage will be a trophy thing for guys making $15 million a year. Everyone else will simply be FWB. Most guys trending towards Flatbiller territory and women pretty happy overall.

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  167. @whiskey- God, leave the Ed Hardy clothing alone. Please don’t wear the stuff. It screams trashy from a mile away.

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  168. I know a girl who loves that film.

    Can someone shed some light on why women enjoy watching beta males on the screen, but are repulsed by them in real life?

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  169. Jay:
    Preliminary thoughts:
    a) the very fact they’re on screen softens the beta blow.
    b) it fulfils a fantasy of actually liking the nice guy who will worship you i.e. to have a cake and eat it too.

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  170. “Chuck
    zunder, my comment was aimed at spunk”

    Fair enough mate.
    Excuse my ignorance for being a silly arsehole in getting that one wrong then. I have duly given my self an uppercut to make Iron Mike proud.

    ~~

    Whiskey: good point.
    That Hollywood “New girl order” – well, there is obviously a market for for the sloshy shite that they put out.
    Take away the demand, and that would put an end to it.
    Sooner the better. Hopefully is just a passing fad.

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  171. jay

    it is because women like to corral a big asshole and then to fantasize that he will become nice and sweet and considerate AND that they will still be attracted to them.

    they are completely ignorant of their own motivations

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  172. Jay — Women love watching Beta Males get humiliated on screen. It’s like candy for them.

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  173. @jay,
    screen betas are cute.

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  174. Whilst on the topic of betas…

    Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should deflect a second date question from popping up or occurring? In other words, how do I reject someone nicely albeit CLEARLY?

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  175. Sofia,

    Tell him about your history of mental illness.

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  176. Yes, Sofia I do.
    Don’t go out on the “first date” with the beta.

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  177. It’s slow around here because it’s a Saturday night right ….

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  178. Sunday morning where I am.

    Roissy & co. are out picking up chicks.

    [editor: almost. give me an hour.]

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  179. That’s actually a good idea, Lucifer.

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  180. So Roissy, who is your wing man for tonight?

    [editor: wingwoman. state secret.]

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  181. Ha, a wingwoman.

    Is she going to be your social proof, like act as if she is into you, or is she just your friend?

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  182. Sofia / Lucifer

    Yeah, but he might get off on that. Might want to “save” you.

    Tell him you used to be a man, until you visited a hospital in Thailand that specialises in trans-gender operations.

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  183. Zunder,

    Likewise, also a good one. I could also impose some hint of a deep voice.

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  184. @sofia- Just tell him you don’t want to be with him.

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  185. …and then tell him the operation didn’t quite go as planned (cheap Thai surgeon)and every now and then you balls drop, and its a “real pain to have to tuck ’em up inside me all the time”.

    It’s gross, but it should work.

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  186. “Henry Higgins from My Fair Lady is exactly the kind of nerdy beta who thinks that women should be more like men. They can’t get outside their own aspergery minds to appreciate anything women have to offer and thus fail spectacularly when it comes to attracting mates.”

    But his manner! His insults! He attracts Eliza Doolittle.

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  187. Well since everyone is dead around here…..

    *winks to bartender*

    A round of jello shots for everyone.

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  188. http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/08/27/wife-publicly-shames-cheater-husband-during-rush-hour?icid=main|main|dl2|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemondrop.com%2F2009%2F08%2F27%2Fwife-publicly-shames-cheater-husband-during-rush-hour

    beta or alpha folks?

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  189. Sofia: On a serious note, don’t put out information on the basis of ‘I will never see him again, nobody will find out.’ The wrong person just might hear you used to be a man, which would negate the point of being nice (aside from the sake of being nice) i.e. presenting yourself correctly in the first place.

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  190. *primly, finely exaggerated* No alcohol or gelatin for me, darling. But cheers. *raises her glass of Red Bull in acknowledgement*

    Roissy is picking up chicks with a chick shortly after posting a chick flick.

    Do we even need to analyse? 😉

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  191. on August 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm sixtypoundhound

    Got a new movie (currently out) – “Post Grad” with a pretty cool “object lesson” in alpha/beta dynamics in relationships….

    Basically, I took the day off with my wife and she wanted to see a movie – “Post Grad” was the best of a limited set of options (plus I wanted a light-hearted chick flick for her – she’s had my back through a ton of work-related sh*t these last few months, so she’s earned her “sweet time”)…

    Plot’s pretty simple – cute flaky college chick meets real world, discovers that it basically sucks. There are two main men in the picture.

    The first is a classic beta “friend”, who’s had the hots for her forever…and going nowhere (obviously). The character is actually a fairly cool guy…could have easily been alpha elsewhere, had he not been pining for this girl. His first part of the movie is riddled with over the top beta-ness, the apex of which is his indecision over law school due to leaving “her” presence (A direct violation of “The commandments” – thou shalt put your mission ahead of your woman).

    She gets “swooped” by a classic alpha “Latin lover” from South America who is living in the house across the street, leaving beta-boy pining at the curb…

    What I liked about the movie was there was redemption…

    She blows off beta-boy for a hot night on the beach with the alpha, who’s doing the usual flightly implusive artiste deal (grand gestures, etc.) That night was supposed to be beta-boy’s first night onstage as a singer at a club, after which they would go to dinner (he was planning a big move). Instead he’s sitting on a curb in front of her house, waiting for her to come home…. which she does, with the alpha (across the street).

    Beta boy blows up – basically dumps her (my life doesn’t include you anymore, I’m tired of waiting) and storms off. Wham…instant wetness… she realizes she can’t live without him.

    At this point the plot turns and we get to watch her crazy antics trying to get back with him – as a boyfriend, culminating in quitting her job (her dream job, which she spent most of her life preparing for) and flying across the country to live with him while he goes to law school….

    I’m sure there are plenty of nitpicks here, but it seems like the writer had a clue about how this stuff works.

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  192. 60poundhound: I love it when they Alpha Up, but then what becomes inexplicable is why on Earth do they still want her?

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  193. chic: the vicious hate for the cheater who’s already saddled with a woman who loves to creatively torture. Alarming. The only reason he’s not leaving her has to be The Horror that is divorce.

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  194. bhetti *primly, finely exaggerated* No alcohol or gelatin for me, darling. But cheers. *raises her glass of Red Bull in acknowledgement*

    LOL we will give you a ginger ale in a shot glass. Mu will take the same.

    bhetti, his wife is nuts. She will torture that man until the day he dies. I’m sure his cheating was more about finding human warmth with another woman versus sex.

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  195. Chic

    The guy is likely terminally beta. I mean, after doing his “penance” he will never ever get an enthusiastic fuck from his wife. Ever.
    On some level, he must know this. And perhaps he plans on leaving soon and went along with this public ritual as a form of negotiating leverage in the upcoming divorce.
    Possible, but unlikely.
    The thing is, the wife is an idiot. She will lose big time regardless of how it goes. Unless she is a sadist and other people pain, particularly family, is just a form of brain-candy for her.

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  196. Jay – “Can someone shed some light on why women enjoy watching beta males on the screen, but are repulsed by them in real life?”

    They see themselves in the role of the beta, not the girl the beta is chasing. They transplant the dynamic they’re aware of most (wanting that guy at the top of the food chain, and him not giving her a look) into the situation. It’s a twisted kind of empathy. Twisted because they deliberately make themselves blind to seeing themselves being in the role of the movie love interest. That would cause too much discomfort. Thinking that they might be causing heartache and pain to so many men is not a thought that can be allowed to pass through their head without some kind of rationalisation to neutralise it. The biggest rationalisation they come up with of course is that the beta male deserves what they get because of some inherent personality flaw. Hence the pure hatred a lot of girls display towards betas. It makes the pain they cause through rejection no longer their responsibility. “I hurt him? So what, he’s a dweeb.” In the movie they don’t have to go through that rationalisation process because they’re identifying with the male hero, not the female villain.

    Plus, women are experiential beings. The emotions of wanting, longing, of unfulfilled desire that are explored in such movies are like a drug for them. They’re strong feelings, and women like being made to feel strong feelings.

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  197. Sofia

    Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should deflect a second date question from popping up or occurring? In other words, how do I reject someone nicely albeit CLEARLY?

    Huh? Apparently you are serious, but you make my brain go /tilt/ with that question. Boink.

    Huh?

    Just be nice and honest. It’s not brain surgery.

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  198. on August 30, 2009 at 12:29 am msexceptiontotherule

    Whatever you do, don’t tell him that you think it’d be better to just be friends.

    You can also try telling him that your life is really complicated right now, and that it’s not him, it’s you

    Zunder; thanks for the movie suggestion (unless I’m making an incorrect assumption on who it was directed to, in which case, sorry I’ll try not to embarass myself again in the future..)

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  199. xsplat,

    I haven’t casually dated in a while. I’m bad at not being a doormat, and rejecting people when I should. Especially if the guy is forward.

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  200. Lupo

    It’s very likely the lack of dog ownership in America is responsible for the need for “game.”

    Good point. Treat a woman as you would a loved large breed dog, and you’ll do well.

    Domimance, control, and praise. And lots of fun. And petting.

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  201. And teach it tricks just for the sake of ingraining the habit of compliance.

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  202. Stop teasing me, Sofia. You know I don’t do e-flirting with people outside of my city.

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  203. You can also try telling him that your life is really complicated right now, and that it’s not him, it’s you

    That kind of diplomatic deflection will only work for guys who have a clue. Younger romantic guys will argue the point.

    It’s not brain surgery to be both nice and honest. I don’t know why some women find the two ideas to be mutually exclusive categories.

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  204. Raddark

    They’re strong feelings, and women like being made to feel strong feelings.

    That is a major principle of game, and a pre-emptive strike against the shit test.

    Women need a roller coaster of emotion, and if you don’t provide drama, they’ll stir some up.

    Break your girls heart at least once a day, and bring her to sexual heights more often.

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  205. Sofia
    If you are a guy who needs to make a chick go away (who is hopelessly in love with you) without any violence – it is easy. Just start acting needy, clingy, and try ever chance you get to talk about your feelings of inadequacy. Keep it up for 2 weeks and you are home free.
    If you are a hot girl, just get him to watch you wrap your eager young body around a guy completely different than him.
    And Repeat. Yes this is brutal. Killing love (or anything else) in one or two shots always is.

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  206. Sofia – try “I’m not attracted to you”.

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  207. toolery is tom foolery

    *nice take on a movieW review*

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  208. being interested – being needy = core of it all

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  209. Someone posted this link to women discussing their love for death row inmates.

    http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-239.html

    I have never seen so passionate declarations of love. Wish I could be loved like that. Being on death row obviously trumps everything else you could ever imagine would attract women. What we call game is nothing compared to this.

    Even where there is no death penalty, killers are on the top of the food chain. There is a trial here now against a man for killing three people, including a pregnant woman. He got a female guard to enter a personal ad for him, resulting in 84 replies. 16 were already married and 30 sent nude pictures of themselves. Some were journalists, yes, but he he has more than enough real loving pussy left to live happily ever after.

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  210. Holy slaughtered cow, Arpagus.

    Roissy is right that this is one primeval button worth gaming.

    I’ve also found that women have no moral qualms about their mans mis-deeds. Or rather deeds are not misdeeds unless they lower his fortunes.

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  211. You can also try telling him that your life is really complicated right now, and that it’s not him, it’s you

    Not sure about this one, unless you can really back it up with a few real, credible reasons why a relationship doesn’t work for you now. Many guys who are clueless enough to not see this as a gentle way to rebuff will instead inquire as to what the blockages are and so on. That’s pretty obtuse, but many guys are obtuse, especially when they are interested, and will actually be encouraged to learn it is not about them, because they think that means they still have a chance (which they don’t). So that approach would work, as xsplat says, with more savvy guys, who will see it for what it is, but with more clueless ones it probably would have the reverse, and unintended, effect.

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  212. but with more clueless ones it probably would have the reverse, and unintended, effect.

    I won’t admit how I know this if you don’t. It can be our private secret.

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  213. [email protected] prison talk thread–what a bunch of horrifying douchebags–they should sit each one of them on the lap of “their” man when he goes off like a roman candle

    yech

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  214. Dana, you make schadenfreude beautiful. Art, at least.

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  215. xsplat–i noted you wrote about the haidt morality dimensions on your blog. i took the test when he was researching for it and corresponded with him briefly about the fact that the questions didn’t allow for libertarian first premises in the answer choices, only binary right statist/left statist.

    he agreed and tried to tweak it

    seems to me libertarians tend to lack BOTH purity AND sanctity, which is out of the norm and explains why we tend not to care so much about the “social issues” SoCons obsess over to the exclusion of all else. leftists on the other hand fall heavily on the purity side and thats why they become obsessed with “organic” food and “toxins” and have zero concern for sanctity.

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  216. Xsplat, I think the drama thing depends on the girl. I wouldn’t try that on a woman who has options. She’ll opt out.

    In a long term relationship, many women think about things like what if he or I were badly disfigured because of an accident or disease…and if a guy is going to actually walk out because life isn’t a pretty fairyland, then I and probably many other women, wouldn’t view him as a man.

    I’m not saying that kind of game doesn’t work on some women, just that it’s a dangerous game to play. Competing for a man’s attention is one thing, but loyalty and commitment have to be worth more than hot. I need to know that even if the guy goes out and shags the other women, he’s still coming home…hopefully with no diseases.

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  217. …which adds another dimension to it. I need to be able to trust a man so much that I trust his shagging tastes to be geared towards quality, so he won’t bring me back diseases and baby mama drama.

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  218. on women,killers,justice and morality:

    i learned everything i needed to know about women and justice from the menendez bros trial, if any of you remember it.

    they shot their parents, in cold blood, their mother wasn’t dead yet so they went out, reloaded and came back and shot her in the face through her defensive hand.

    the stupid prosecution packed the jury with women, so certain that the horror of two young men reloading and unloading on their MOTHER would have them on DR in minutes. [email protected] naivete about women. the brilliant defense attorney dressed them up in matching pastel sweater vests–two handsome young men–just kids really! the women on the jury felt MOTHERLY and protective of them and if im not mistaken acquitted them or convicted them on vastly reduced charges

    it was the embodiment of the old jewish joke–what’s the definition of chutzpah? murdering your parents and then throwing yourself on the mercy of the court because you are an orphan

    repeal the 19th amendment, get women off juries and out of public affairs

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  219. There is no doubt that women are twisted mentally, which is why beta males seem clueless about women. Beta males are good, rational humans who think other humans are rational and good. Most women aren’t. Lots of drama occurs because of this.

    BUT, women do seem to enjoy watching beta males on the big screen, in public. There are several possibilities:
    1. They enjoy watching a woman play with a man, and treating him with no respect. Beta males deserve no respect, so they don’t feel guilty at watching such crass behavior. This says a lot about women. Beta males, take notice!
    2. They will feel no attraction for the beta male, so they won’t be bothered by the feeling they are being unfaithful to their current guy. Mr. Clean was made bald for this reason.
    3. Women enjoy the feeling of power they have over these men. (Similar to #1) However, they also are reassured by the movie that, when and if the time comes they need a beta provider, a good one will be there for the taking. So, these movies always end happily for the woman. Note, the rejected beta male never goes out, gets a really good woman, and the original woman curses her missed chance.
    4. In the beta male movie, the woman is the dominant character. This empowers all women.

    [editor: one of the commenters above mentioned an intriguing possibility — female viewers identify with the *beta male* instead of the lead female antagonist. that is, they see themselves, and all their romantic folly chasing alpha males, in the beta male’s plight and totally miss the connection between the female antagonist and their own cold treatment of betas in their lives.]

    Now, what about watching a movie about an alpha male. This would not be so much fun for a woman because:
    1. The alpha male would dominate and use the female character playing opposite him for his own pleasure. The concept of “love” would be unlikely to interfere with his treatment of her.
    2. The alpha would have many women.
    3. The alpha male wouldn’t give a f* if she stayed or went.
    4. The alpha would rough her up, or punish her by neglect, if she behaved in ways he didn’t like.
    5. A non-thuggish alpha would just dump her if her behavior wasn’t to his liking. And boy, the women in these movies behave in ways the male character hates.

    The only alpha movie women would like would be if the alpha were to be betatized by the female lead character. However, a real alpha doesn’t get betatized; rather, he just dumps her and moves on when she becomes tiresome. Everybody would see how hokey it was.

    So, even though women flock to thugs (death row guys, for example.), they would hate to see such behavior portrayed on the big screen. All they are responding to is a Darwinian instinct to have sons who rape women and spread their genes. Let that sink in. The truth hurts. In reality, the ending is rarely as good as they hope, many children from their rapist son, mainly because nowadays society punishes rape pretty severely. Better to watch (or do) that stuff at home.

    BTW, has anybody seen any psychological and social profiles of woman who correspond with, and send nude pictures to, men on death row? That would be interesting, especially for betas.

    So, Roissy, carry on. Your work has only begun.

    One thing is sure, once the Gospel according to Roissy becomes well known, the world won’t be the same. Good.

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  220. Re. stupid prosecutions: Marica Clark saying that the black women on the jury would condemn OJ for his “domestic violence.”

    Though personally I always believed that the D.A.’s office knew what it was doing. If my bald-faced-boy self back then felt there is something not-quite right about Marcia Clark’s assertion, then no doubt the hardboiled generation of LA D.A.s must have known this too. They threw the case because the Rodney King riots of 1992 were fresh on their minds.

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  221. joel i haven’t seen a psychological profile of women who fall in love with death row inmates, but here is a very telling picture of a group of them:

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  222. Good analysis and conclusion Joel. Perhaps this explains why Friends was so popular with girls. It was a show about three women controlling the three beta males in their lives (Joey was nominally an alpha, but his stupidity and childlikeness was a neutering quality; besids, he never successfully gamed Phoebe, Monica or Rachel.)

    The betas were never resentful. Ross always did the right thing, Chandler was happy to keep playng the goofy dancing monkey, and Joey was a de-clawed little piece of eyecandy.

    [editor: it’s all the fun of provider betas and manipulable alphas without any of that messy sex stuff. i knew there was a reason i hated that show.]

    On a few occasions, one of the girls had an affair with an alpha, but this always ended with her moral condemnation of some character trait the guy showed, with the girl cleanly jettisoning him out of her life.

    So the three junior-Samanthas controlled both the alphas and the betas.

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  223. if you want to see why women like to see movies where the boy is beta, chasing and rejected and not the girl all you have to do is watch “my super ex girlfriend” which contained the ONLY honest portrayal of female breakup behavior i have ever seen including groveling and self wounding, begging and vengeance

    women HATE that movie because it’s 100% true!

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  224. Ghost of Nicole

    Xsplat, I think the drama thing

    Didn’t read past thing, Nicole. You weird me out. I’d rather not converse with knife stabbing fat psychos.

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  225. obese psychos.

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  226. joel:
    I doubt women enjoy watching anyone tortured on screen or watch movies for this purpose. I’m afraid I can’t generalise for all women but pathetic behaviour is still repulsive to me personally. There is an element of empowerment and wishful thinking, but I don’t think any sadism.

    The whole romance novel industry, which if I pull up the figures is probably larger than romcoms, is entirely based on the alpha to ball-and-chain premise.

    Joel, the last thing that’s rational is a man thoroughly mired within one-itis hell. The male mind is occasionally frightening to me. Still, I recognise they’re simply different. Women are different, not twisted. However, those in power in any society are those who showcase their capacity for evil.

    Still: Who do you guys think is most twisted? The serial killer or the women who adore him?

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  227. “it’s all the fun of provider betas and manipulable alphas without any of that messy sex stuff.”

    How can I hang my ego onto the coat tails of someone who said that?

    I know! I’ll praise it. And that’s not sarcastic or ironic.

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  228. PA: Overanalysis? Friends is funny. Ross was… really annoying. I didn’t enjoy watching him in his moments of pain or torture though. He was still cute enough not to deserve it. I like Chandler. Not sexy most moments but I genuinely liked him. The guys on that show do seem to represent to me the archetypes of Average men in this modern age, though?

    Women didn’t actually admire or wish to emulate OCD Monica, New Age-y Phoebe and Spoiled Princess Rachel?

    Hey, wait a minute… these types all sound familiar. LR, Hope…

    I suppose you could identify with them.

    Anyway, I’m going to give up on dissecting out why women might like watching what. Since I’m trying to puzzle it out from my view, which might not be the average woman’s.

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  229. Dana

    SoCons obsess over to the exclusion of all else. leftists on the other hand fall heavily on the purity side and thats why they become obsessed with “organic” food and “toxins” and have zero concern for sanctity.

    I must have completely misread. I thought conservatives owned all the neurosis. Only conservatives are obsessively clean carpets and worry about their daughters vagina.

    Reread and get back to me.

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  230. ahahah @worry about their daughters vagina

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  231. PA

    he guys on that show do seem to represent to me the archetypes of Average men in this modern age, though?

    Are all your friends Jewish?

    I can’t understand how anyone who is not Jewish laughs. Because you have to empathise to laugh. And those people are all so twelve.

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  232. xsplat i don’t remember if the purity dimension of swpls and lefties is something that was in the haidt report or something i came up with myself, i suspect the latter.

    both are neurotic about purity but in different realms, socons being concerned with sexual purity and physically disgusting things but it’s often ignored that the other side is EXTREMELY neurotic about food, chemicals, and synthetic substances — unless they are in the form of street drugs which could be made or grown in toilets for all they know or care.

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  233. Are all your friends Jewish?

    I can’t understand how anyone who is not Jewish laughs. Because you have to empathize to laugh. And those people are all so twelve.

    I’m not saying you are emotionally twelve. I’m just saying that you must be Jewish.

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  234. Bhetti, overanalysis is FUN! even for a non-aspie, ENFP right brained, artistically inclined guy like myself. Myst be a male thing. Analysis is a tool for figuring our way out through the mysterious maze to the sweetest of bowers … which occasionally misfires and gets us to visit the moon.

    Friends had an addictive quality and was fun on many . The personalities were nicely developed. But when Ross passed on his chance to sleep with young Reece Witherspoon’s character because Rachel told him to, I screamed.

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  235. I’ve mentioned this before, but does anyone else here besides me recognize the utter “new-ageness” of GAMA and PUA?

    Affirmations.
    Visualizaitions.
    Self-transformation.
    Positive Thinking.

    Ever see the movie “The Secret”, based on LoA (the Law of Attraction)???

    Game and PUA is based on all that.

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  236. Dana

    both are neurotic about purity but in different realms, socons being concerned with sexual purity and physically disgusting things but it’s often ignored that the other side is EXTREMELY neurotic about food, chemicals, and synthetic substances — unless they are in the form of street drugs which could be made or grown in toilets for all they know or care.

    I see your point, but don’t consider it arrogant when I suggest this is a category error, in favor of the stuff white people like.

    It’s not about purity. It’s about real life and death and noticing shit.

    Oceans don’t have enough fish. That’s a different category as to what god wants.

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  237. A darker take on Friends: Jewish wish-fulfillment.

    The Jewish guy (Ross) reproduced twice, and both times with blonde gentile women. On the other hand, hollywood’s quintessential WASP (Chandler) was gelded/infertile, and the quintessential Ethic White (Joey) was a combo of horny italian and dumb polack.

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  238. “which occasionally misfires and gets us to visit the moon.”

    Nice.

    Meta, AND funny. A new category of award for PA.

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  239. xsplat:

    1) i don’t consider anything “arrogant” because “you are arrogant” is a emotion based charge made by people who are made to feel bad whe they hear another person confidently state a differing view with conviction. my reaction to the views of others is usually “fascinating, why are they so wrong”

    2) in all honesty and with zero snark i did not understand your last response–i’m happy to be shown i’m wrong, but i have to understand why

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  240. Dana, ya, I knew that – I’m overcompensating again. I’m wasted, and I’m extra belligerant snarky when wasted.

    I know you don’t need my overcompensation, but do it anyway, because I’m sloppy, and erring in the direction of social probriety. (is that a word?)

    I don’t really understand your not understanding. I suggested, ok said, that some liberal stances are reality based, not purity based, and that you confuse the two.

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  241. By the way, if you want to fend off alzheimers or dimentia, learn new things often and challenge yourself. Try writing when drunk, or fucking when on some new drug, or learning a new language, or doing anyting other than what DA does.

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  242. Not near topic – but what do you think? Would you introduce your woman to the later voice of Leanord Cohen?

    Talk about a voodoo voice.

    Entrancing, to both men and women. The simplest, slowest tunes, emotional and timeless, and more – captivating.

    I want to think I’m that man. But I’m not.

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  243. In chi kung terms, his early voice shaked up the the groin and heart and fingers, but his later voice got right under your feet and owned you.

    Pawned.

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  244. Neil Diamond did that for my Mom, but she was a plebe.

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  245. “I happened to notice a sharp uptick in the number of SWPL women who breastfeed in public *without* covering up. ”

    Big deal. Go to a beach and you’ll see more skin.

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  246. It sounds like a follow-up to “The Baxter”.

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  247. Brandy, you ditz, who are you talking to? Take the gum out of your mouth and speak clearly. What did you say? Huh?

    Oh ya, never mind. It’s just some stupid “pay attention to me because I’m blonde” nonsense.

    What the hell is Baxter and what is following up on it and what does it have to do with anything and where is the hill of beans?

    Blonde.

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  248. And this is Whiskey’s revolution. Mild mannered disagreement and kinda rudeness to women.

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  249. Xsplat, if you ever get jumped by a big angry guy who is about a foot taller than you and outweighs you by 20 kg. remember what you said here.

    Some people talk tough, and some people actually are. Nature made me what I am.

    “It’s evolution, baby.”

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  250. on August 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm The Fifth Horseman

    The Jewish guy (Ross) reproduced twice, and both times with blonde gentile women.

    Remember that Monica was also Ross’s sister, and married to Chandler. I don’t think it was ever advertised that they were Jewish.

    Ross had the most humiliating things done to him in the show (his first wife becoming a lesbian, etc.). Joey was substantially more ‘alpha’ in attracting women. He DID sleep with Rachel a few times.

    As far as Jewish supremacy in a sitcom, Seinfeld was where it was pretty prominent.

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  251. Yes, Nicole. When my heart attack comes, I’ll think of you, and repent.

    Your revenge is gods revenge and karma is exactly as you picture it and when harm come to me I’ll as you and your revenge god to forgive me.

    Blah ha ha ha , you stupid.

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  252. Remember that Monica was also Ross’s sister, and married to Chandler

    The Jewish angle is not 100% serious on my part but I liken Friend’s model of “Jewish reproductive strategy” similar to blacks’ — toss their own woman aside and impregnate whitey/goy’s woman. Isaac Bashevic Singer entire ouvre is one nerd’s masturbation fantasy of banging wayward peasant Slav girls who, conveniently enough, reeeeally want him.

    Ross had the most humiliating things done to him in the show (his first wife becoming a lesbian, etc.).

    Still, in final analysis, he knocked her up. On another note, the whole gay/lesbian thing is an artifact of the early 90s. It was way overplayed on TV during that time.

    Joey was substantially more ‘alpha’ in attracting women.

    He was nominally alpha, but all of his conquests were off-screen. His on-screen seduction attempts usually failed.

    He DID sleep with Rachel a few times.

    I don’t think he did. But he fell in love with her when she was carrying Ross’s child, and even proposed to her. Another Jewish fantasy of cookolding a goy?

    As far as Jewish supremacy in a sitcom, Seinfeld was where it was pretty prominent.

    I never found Seinfeld annoying from this angle. It seemed mostly intra-Jewish, or generic/universal. And the producers even found a way of poking some sacred cows, like Jerry making out with a girl during Schindler’s List.

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  253. I hate arguing with feminists.

    As for Friends, Ross was the most emasculated and that fit in perfectly with the nerdy, Jewish stereotype. He did manage to get Rachel in the end, but let’s not be foolish here, she dangled him on a fine string throughout the duration of that whole on/off relationship. Remember when they were “on a break” and he “cheated” on her? Not only did she bring it up every. single. episode. but decided to go into child-mode and ignore him, even when he made grand Beta gestures to repair the situation. He always had to work three times as hard.

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  254. Nicole, you dumb fat black idiot. Did anyone ever mention to you that you can’t think you way out of 2 plus 2?

    Surely it must have crossed your mind that your mental processes are flawed. Ok, you are not that smart. People have told you.

    Have people told me that? Have people told most people that?

    Do they tell you that because you are ugly and fat?

    I suggest to you (tell you) that people tell you that you are fucked in the head because your head is actually and truly fucked up.

    Not just because people hate ugly.

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  255. Xslpat, this isn’t about karma. This is about jealousy.

    I survived being attacked by a big angry guy who was almost a foot taller than me and outweighed me by 20 kg. You claim to believe that this means that I am a psycho.

    It’s a pathetic attempt to reduce me to something you can feel superior to…when the fact is that if you could not survive such a situation, and I can, that makes me superior in raw natural terms. I have the smarts and the physical fitness to successfully fend off a larger, stronger attacker. I’m not so socially invested as to sacrifice a hair on my head for the sake of avoiding jail or seeming more feminine to men I’m not shagging and not planning to.

    If someone attacks me, one of us is going down, and I am going to use whatever means necessary to ensure that isn’t me.

    If this makes me a psychopath, so be it…though in the English I speak, this is called self preservation instinct combined with intelligence, and years of martial arts training and a knack for hand to hand combat that was likely inherited. It’s psychos like me who make sure perfectly sane people such as yourself get to sleep at night.

    The fact that there aren’t enough of us in the world who give two shits about the sheeple who hate us for existing anyway, is why many of you perfectly sane people run afoul of the real psychopaths.

    So never mind what I do to preserve my own life and dignity. I’ve aged out of being naive enough to save others from their own stupidity.

    So that wasn’t a wish…that was a prophecy. One day you will need your testicles as more than a chin rest for women who are even weaker than you…and when you do, I won’t call you a psycho. I’ll call you finally awake.

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  256. I don’t know what Nicole & xsplat are arguing about but if the argument (from what I can wean is) that a big scary guy is chasing after me in a dark alleyway, and I have to kill him (if I am even able to?) presents itself, I AM GOING TO TAKE IT.

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  257. I hate arguing with feminists.

    @Sofia —

    Lol. I love how they just jump to censor. They hate real debate, and hide behind neo-logisms and academic-speak gobbledygook. Entertaining, at times, but also tiresome.

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  258. I completely agree Sofia. I have no clue what you are saying either, but if the argument is that you want me to suck your pussy when I’m not in the mood, I’ll run away!!!!

    Emoticon!

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  259. Novaseeker,

    The thing is I completely academically versed, and have taken a women’s studies course to boot, so I can argue with them on their own terms. They had nothing to say against me and used personal attacks. They accused me of being anorexic, even though I am nothing but, because I advocated eating THREE HEALTHY SQUARE MEALS a day!

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  260. They had nothing to say against me and used personal attacks.

    .

    Oh come on. You are setting yourself up. Are you a weak victim, or are you ready to stand up?

    Need the institution?

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  261. They accused me of being anorexic, even though I am nothing but, because I advocated eating THREE HEALTHY SQUARE MEALS a day!

    Yeah. The thing is: you’re not allowed to criticize the choices made by other women. Even if you are one yourself. That’s like a core tenet of feminism. Oh, unless those women are choosing to be stay at home mothers. That you can criticize to your heart’s content.

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  262. xsplat,

    How do argue with someone like this:

    Reasoned argument

    You’re anorexic.

    Reasoned argument.

    There MUST be something wrong with you.

    Reasoned argument.

    Discussion over.

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  263. However, they also are reassured by the movie that, when and if the time comes they need a beta provider, a good one will be there for the taking.

    Reeks of the golddigger theory…

    Marica Clark saying that the black women on the jury would condemn OJ for his “domestic violence.”

    I think their theory was that the black female jurors would basically convict OJ because he was a famous black man chasing white women. The problem is that he’s an alpha male, so the theory would only work if he was an average, dumpy beta male or sub-human male.

    A darker take on Friends: Jewish wish-fulfillment.

    As somebody who infrequently watched the show, that’s an interesting take on it. Of course, I watched the show as much younger, more idealistic guy in my peri-adult phase so I was rather immune to such deep thinking and symbolism. Mind you, I thought it was generally implied that Rachel was Jewish and not gentile.

    but I liken Friend’s model of “Jewish reproductive strategy” similar to blacks’ — toss their own woman aside and impregnate whitey/goy’s woman

    Is this merely a strategy of expanding numbers, or is it simply exposure to alternative women and discontentment with native females? In other words, do black and Jewish men crave mass expansion of their seed or do these men want to have very little to do with their women of their respective groups?

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  264. Bhetti

    joel:
    I doubt women enjoy watching anyone tortured on screen or watch movies for this purpose.
    ===========================

    I think not. Somewhat off topic but similar, I saw Final Destination (a real, real bad movie) this weekend. When the white racist redneck was being dragged to his death, on fire, the black woman next to be was laughing quite vigorously. It was supposed to be shocking scene, not a funny one.

    The new Nazi film is doing well. Inglourious Bastards or something. Nazi’s (we all hate them) getting really badly treated. The fans love seeing them get what they deserve.

    So, I have to conclude that woman like seeing Beta men badly treated because, as has been pointed out many times on this board, women despise betas who pursue them for sexual purposes. They only want betas to be useful tools.

    Art reflects life.

    And, I agree with you 100% about Romance Novels. The hero guy is young, magnificent hair, incredibly handsome and well built, has a big horse, a huge sword, and a great piece of real estate (castle or some such) in the background. Frequently a hint of Royalty. In the book, the guy may rape her at the start, but that’s OK, as long as he commits to her and gives her all his stuff. Romance Novels should be required reading for all teenage boys. Boys might as well see what woman want. It isn’t complicated, really. They just try to make it sound complicated to keep you off balance.

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  265. Nicole said – to a guy it does not matter which one – “Some day you will need your testicles for more than a chin rest for a woman…”
    There is more twisted thinking in that short phrase than most of us could produce in a lifetime. I cannot come up with an anaogy.
    See, the whole point of having testicles is for women to want to use them as a chin rest or to enjoy the feel of them flapping against her engorged labia.

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  266. on August 30, 2009 at 2:59 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I don’t think that Ross/Monica were Jewish. I don’t recall the details of the show, but I don’t think they were portrayed as Jewish.

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  267. Oh, unless those women are choosing to be stay at home mothers.

    It’s interesting that I grew up with a stay at home mother, and while I’m thankful for her sacrifice, I wouldn’t want my future hypothetical wife to be one…

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  268. on August 30, 2009 at 3:07 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Sofia,

    I hope you are learning more about how ‘feminists’ really have become a parody of themselves, and, in their madness, are not just doing damage to average men, but to average women as well.

    Their supremely arrogant ‘God complex’ leads them to think they can re-write the rules of nature regarding gender roles, ‘fat acceptance’, etc. Yet, they secretly and viciously pass laws that are extremely unfair to men in matters of divorce and child support.

    This, of course, causes more men to avoid marrage (greatly shrinking the pool of available men, particularly for a woman over 30 who is any less than an 8 in looks). This causes more societal discord, and, ultimately, a few Sodinis here and there.

    This, of course, will correct, as all imbalances ultimately do. The fallout will be suffered by average women, due to the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance.

    Any group that quickly shuts out polite commenters who simply disagree is a bankrupt ideology. Both feminism and social cons come to mind.

    If your generation rejects feminism and combats it (much like average Iraqis ultimately fought and destroyed Al-Qaeda), your generation of women will have better lives.

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  269. on August 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I think the process through which the average urban woman screws her own life can be summed up as follows :

    1) Average urban woman has sex with an Alpha. Since in the female mind, sex may be interpreted as ‘he really likes you’, the ego lift from that leads her to reject Betas for months after the brief tryst with the Alpha.

    2) Shows like Sex and the City brainwash the woman into thinking that she will still be attractive to men well past the age of 35. This enables her to glibly let the years slip by.

    3) Websites like Match.com have 2 men for every woman, and women are prone to put up pictures that are 5 years old (when they looked better). Thus, all sorts of Betas keep contacting her, artificially propping up her ego, while even more years slip by. The woman wrongly assumes that the volume of Beta email attention she gets translates to her ability to find a good husband.

    4) Finally, by age 34 or so, the woman is completely unprepared for the dramatic drop in male attention she gets, relative to what she was accustomed to in her 20s, and what the Match.com email attention misled her to believe was real. Reality hits hard, much like a stock market or real-estate bubble correction.

    5) She will still blame men, say men are shallow to date women 10 years younger than them, etc. But she cannot, will not accept that feminism sold her a bill of lies.

    I think that about sums it up. Women of the next generation will see all of the women 20 years older than them who are lonely, miserable, and broke, and *might*, just might, wise up.

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  270. Rum, one leads to the other. The more man you are, the more and better women you’ll attract.

    The more you use your testicles as a supply of testosterone, the more they’ll get used as a chin rest. I don’t think we’re in disagreement about that.

    What Xsplat is doing is confusing sexual worth with overall worth. I am worthless to him as a sexual conquest (as if his anti fighting arse would have a chance), but if his physical safety was threatened, he would need someone like me to take out his attacker without hesitation or worrying about whether or not some dude on the internet is going to think I’m a psycho.

    What I find funny is that this was in response to a post I made about how guys who might actually like odd women such as myself, might want to take care about playing uncertainty games. Women like me have not been sheltered all our lives, and perceive a world where there are bigger things to worry about than guys who aren’t serious.

    So…if it doesn’t apply to him, then all he had to do was ignore it or just say it doesn’t apply to him. He could have even worded it in a way that says that because I’m far from hot, I don’t think the same as hot women. That would have been both fair and allowed him to have the usual “fat black cunt whatever” outburst. I might have ignored that because it’s so common.

    Instead, he wanted to make this about his supposed bubble boy superioritaah.

    What he doesn’t seem to get is that people like me are the bubble. Jab at us enough, and we won’t be there to protect folks like him from the reality that this is a cruel world anymore.

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  271. say men are shallow to date women 10 years younger than them

    It’s a part of that pretty little lie theory. We tell ourselves that we want so-called companionship relationships, but yet we end up chasing the hottest girl possible or most alpha male around in lieu of somebody who would make a great companion. Thus, the mid-thirties woman who is complaining about finding a companion is just following the script that society has given us to sugar coat the fact that she’s aged and what’s left is being surplus vagina or attached to the betas and sub-human males who couldn’t find something better.

    Women of the next generation will see all of the women 20 years older than them who are lonely, miserable, and broke, and *might*, just might, wise up.

    Instead of dumping these women on beta males that they’ll never find attractive, I’d much rather write a new script for society where we praise them for their ability to ride the alpha cock carousel, and provide them a glide path into older age. And if they’re working and they don’t have kids, it’s unlikely that they would be broke…

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  272. This might be happening amongst the urban, professional 30 somethings right now, but the less monied suburbanite divorcees in their 40, 50s and even 60s are “single and lovin’ it”.

    For real.

    They just don’t want to live with men anymore, but are willing to date them casually. And they have no dearth of men willing to date them – some older, some same, and some younger.

    I’m seeing it everyday.

    5th Horseman, I assume you don’t see coz you don’t fit into that demographic and I’m assuming, being Indian, that you’re parents are married, never been divorced.

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  273. what the fuck is nicole ever talking about?

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  274. Nothing that should concern you, Dana. Well then again, if you are relying on men for your physical safety, you might want to be aware that some believe that self defense is psycho behavior.

    So when you’re attacked by an actual psycho, just lay there and take it like a good little girl. Your sacrifice will be lauded as noble and feminine by Xsplat and a couple others.

    You could even become a feminist martyr, so both feminists and the chivalrous will elevate you to sainthood.

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  275. dana
    what the fuck is nicole ever talking about?…………..

    Herself. LOL.

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  276. Every woman I knew in the 90’s LOVED Friends, and loved the humiliation that Ross and Chandler underwent. They strongly identified with either New Age Idiot Phoebe, neurotic Monica (the most popular, also a former fattie) and spoiled Princess Rachel (second most popular).

    Ross and Rachel and Monica were all explicitly identified as Jewish. Though with almost no religious affiliation left, perfect SWPL before the term was invented.

    PA is quite right. Including the most memorable theme, Monica getting older, bio-clock ticking after she’d had a TON of Alphas including Tom Selleck’s character (older and dominant Alpha) and turned to friend Chandler, dancing monkey, out of desperation for husband and child.

    One of the few male writers on “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” compared the female fans of the show to the women who fall in love with death-row inmates, and fans (and the female writers) nearly got him fired for saying that. THE most popular character on the show was rapist-killer “Spike” who after raping the lead character (who later fell totally in love with him), went through the roof in how fans responded to him. BUT … though fan intensity increased, overall viewership declined. [Series star Gellar hated that storyline, but could not get it killed — the female writers LOVED it as did the show creator.]

    Xsplat — I think most men will become Chavs. That’s clearly the winning hand for most guys. That’s hardly rudeness.

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  277. whiskey,

    If everybody becomes chavs, there will be no economy or society of consequence.

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  278. Monica getting older, bio-clock ticking

    Instead, she should have had Richard’s kid, but not marry Chandler, leaving him to play a caring uncle/godfather type role where he periodically babysits and helps out. That’s the way to be a beta provider without the messy entanglements of a real relationship…

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  279. David Alexander,

    Why should men care about such older worn out women? What do they offer?

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  280. Why should men care about such older worn out women? What do they offer?

    Companionship, hugs, and somebody to talk to and care about?

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  281. on August 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm zunderdownunder

    “Friends” was simply- gay.

    Sheesh, even though I went through my own Beta days a while back, I never watched “Friends” bar one of the early episodes – which was enough to convice what a sack of infected puss it was.

    I have to tell you, my American friends, your modern TV shows are shit. I think Bill Cosby started it, and its all gone downhill from there.

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  282. David Alexander,

    Dogs are better than women for that stuff.

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  283. Dogs are better than women for that stuff.

    Dogs can’t hug or talk back. Dogs don’t play Scrabble with you in a local area diner. Dogs don’t offer words of support when you’re feeling low.

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  284. Nicole

    I get it. Since you have apparently given up on sex with men, you have embraced what you see as the next logical step- be a female warrior-woman who will protect the weak and helpless because older out of shape women are best suited for that particular job.
    I think that makes perfect sense. Now if you will excuse me, I need to go.

    Rum backs slowly towards the door without daring to turn around or take his eyes off Nicole…

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  285. Lucifer: “If everybody becomes chavs, there will be no economy or society of consequence.”

    You guys are misunderstanding a basic truth about the modern economy in Western Civilization: modern society obviously doesn’t need working class people any more. The model for the future is:
    1/3 of society is dependent on the government
    1/3 of society works for the government providing services to the 1/3 who are helpless
    1/3 of society pays the bills.

    The way the math goes, the bill-paying fraction of society will get smaller and the parasitic class larger and larger. This is possible because of increases in productivity. As it is, people are kept in unproductive schooling until their mid to late 20s, which is sheer insanity (Einstein had his Ph.D. at 21). Anyway, Chav scum make excellent clients for the welfare state. The 1/3 who provide services for Chav scum will do everything in their power to encourage their growth. I wouldn’t say it’s planned exactly, but it certainly works out that way.

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  286. “Dogs can’t hug or talk back.”………..

    Yep, and that’s the whole point in having a dog!!!

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  287. Rum says, “I get it. Since you have apparently given up on sex with men, you have embraced what you see as the next logical step- be a female warrior-woman who will protect the weak and helpless because older out of shape women are best suited for that particular job.”

    Eh…out of shape women need not apply. I was born a warrior and really couldn’t be any other way and be happy.

    At the time that the incident Xsplat is referencing occured, I was about 20 years old, and weighed 120 lbs. I was much more dangerous then than I am now.

    This idea that bigger women are more dangerous is only partially true. One has to be stronger to carry more weight well, but most big women aren’t doing the kinds of things I did even before the ancestral diet. What being big does to most women is make them slower, tire more easily, and less limber…your run of the mill inactivity problems.

    So where I can understand, due to mass misinformation, I can’t really identify with your issues. If you knew anything about fitness, my size would make me seem more harmless.

    Unfortunately, as I shrink, I’m finding out again that guys have things really backwards. Women are different from men. Being heavier just makes us heavier.

    “I think that makes perfect sense. Now if you will excuse me, I need to go.

    Rum backs slowly towards the door without daring to turn around or take his eyes off Nicole…”

    Slowly is fine…just don’t wait until I’m down to about 160. At that point I’ll be able to do a flying roundhouse kick again without wincing on the landing.

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  288. Nazi’s (we all hate them)

    I hate Nazis as one hates Jason and Michael from slasher flicks: as boogiemen for public consumption, not the way one hates a real enemy. Left wingers, though, I can say I hate. Truly. I’m talking about the Population Replacement , political corretness cadre among our ruling elite. They are my enemy much more than any hollywood Nazis.

    Interestingly, my late grandfathers, both of whom fought in the 1939 campaign and one then fought in the Resistance and then in the Polish division of the advancing Soviet army — he was wounded in Pomerania but otherwise would have advanced all the way to Berlin — neither “hated” the Germans.

    And each lost close relatives to the Nazis. The few times they talked about the war, there was a sense of soldier-to-soldier respect they had for the Germans. But they loathed the Russians a raw, living red hate.

    Ross and Rachel and Monica were all explicitly identified as Jewish. Though with almost no religious affiliation left, perfect SWPL before the term was invented.

    Siblings Ross & Monica were explicitly Jewish. There was a Hannukkah theme in one episode, and other casual references. Never heard of Rachel being Jewish, though I may have missed it. Rather than proto-SWPL, her family was what Mencius woudl describe as Optimate class, an old-school conservative though decaying old-money caste.

    Instead, she should have had Richard’s kid

    The Richard-Monica romance was the hottest, rawest and most genuine of pairings on that show. Not sure if that was Selleck’s and Cox’s natural chemistry or if the producers wanted it scripted that way, but Richard and Monica belonged together. She was like a little girl with him, and he was his most tender, protective, fun alpha self with her.

    As I advise cute young non-slut girls in real life, get yourself a much older alpha.

    Dogs are better than women for that stuff.

    Lordy, Lucifer said somethign half-sensible. Dogs are awesome.

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  289. Lucifer, maybe dogs would be better at raising kids too. Apparently, the woman who bore you didn’t show you the value of older women.

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  290. on August 30, 2009 at 5:38 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Lucifer,

    The 3 segments of society you mention is certainly the present trend, however, countries that drift into that will hit a wall, and either reverse the creep or fall behind.

    This is because in an era of globalization, first manufacturers had to compete on global cost. Then, service professions had to compete on global cost.

    But now, governments will have to compete with each other. On tax rates.

    California raising tax rates merely pushes California businesses to Nevada and Arizona, or even to Asia.

    Ireland has much lower tax than other European countries, so there is an inflow of capital out of these countries into Ireland.

    Governments will have no choice but to compete on tax rates for corporations and individuals.

    So the 1/3rd that pays all the bills, will have many incentives to leave to a lower cost area. If even a few of them leave, the large number of people they support are left hanging, as the tax revenue falls off easily.

    Some one the 1/3rd will leave involuntarily, as their employer relocates, forcing them to also relocate.

    Since multiple countries will compete for members of the productive class, they will still be a highly courted group, and they will ironically settle where the tax burden on them is the least (and thus where the people who are parasites off of them are the fewest).

    In America, the top 1% pays 40% of the taxes. If they leave, then the tax collections drop by 40%. So the government will ultimately lower taxes and cut off welfare to prevent them from leaving.

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  291. on August 30, 2009 at 5:55 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I still don’t think Ross and Monica were Jewish. I would need to see a link or a clip where such a thing was mentioned or even hinted at.

    I recall one episode where there was a song where a rhyme was to be made for each person’s name. One was “Happy Hannukah, Monica”, and she said she was NOT Jewish.

    So unless someone can provide supporting evidence, they do not appear to be Jewish.

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  292. Ross, Monica, and Rachel never really lived like observing Jews, no dietary restrictions, no sense of marrying within religious boundaries, pressure from parents to have Jewish grandkids, no Sabbath-keeping, things like that.

    They were as “ethnic” as Joey — denatured into SWPL “colorful” backgrounds as the writers searched for the next joke.

    Selleck was the best actor on the show when he was on, but the writers chose explicitly the reasons why the pairing of his character and Monica did not work — the age gap that made him spectacularly uninterested in the trivia that ran Monica’s neurotic life, and with grown kids being uninterested in a new family.
    ————-
    Nazis are a “safe” villain, no can or ever will make a movie with AQ or bin Laden as bad guys being beaten. We cannot even make “Delta Force” with Chuck Norris or “Navy SEALs” with Charlie Sheen anymore.

    I don’t think 1/3rd of the population being productive is workable — it’s at or over the margin for error in terms of oil shocks, disasters, plagues, war, etc. Any little thing causes total collapse.

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  293. I felt the need to comment on the ongoing Bio-Con vs. So-Con Conflict spanning across the ‘Roissysphere’.

    Largely, in my view, the arguments of both parties seem to hinge on the greater “Nature vs. Nurture” and “Do The Means Justify the Ends?” debates prevalent among all theorists on the Decline of Western Civilization.

    I have my own views on the inadequacies and fallacies of both arguments, but, it would take a greater medium than this blog’s comment box to elaborate on them.

    For now, I would like to propose ‘something to consider’ for the Human Bio-Diversity Advocates of both philosophies:

    Even if your proposed methodologies did succeed in raising birth rates for middle-class WASPs, I still think your stated goal of reinvigorating Western Civilization would fail.

    The issues inherent to our failing culture cannot be fixed by radically reducing and attaching them to your views on race, religion, sexuality, gender and economics.

    What both sides fail to see is that it was these same views on race, religion, sexuality, gender and economics that penultimately lead to our current situation.

    The summarize… Anglo-Traditionalism under some unique circumstances [U.S. manufacturing after WWII being unharmed, U.S. economic hegemony becoming solidified by extracting war debts from other countries, the Rise of the WASP Middle Class, cheap energy via staked claims on petroleum reserves after WWII, etc.] led to the direct rise of liberalism through increased prosperity for the U.S.

    As it has been shown throughout many civilizations, prosperity leads to the demand for more choices and freedoms by more sections of society [economic, gender, cultural, racial, sexual, etc.] and the need to compromise to appease these various sections of society to maintain the growing, unstable economic and social base.

    At some point, a conflict of social, political and material capital arises between those who are high on the old hierarchy and those who have been given a low but middling slot on the hierarchy to ideally keep the whole society functioning at optimal efficiency.

    The faces of these conflicts and some of their results are glaringly apparent to everyone… Civil Rights, Gay Rights, Women’s Lib., Union Rights, etc.

    And for the most part, those fighting for these various ‘rights’ tend to win — Only because the price of their appeasement by the “Powers that Be” is less than the price of a prolonged socially disruptive conflict with them.

    What we now have is a significant portion of those that constitute the lower echelons of the “Powers that Be” [middle-class WASPs] standing rather uncomfortably between the upper echelons who profit off of our failing civilization and an an equally significant portion of the lower echelons of greater humanity [Non-Asian Minorities] who are are either hostile or apathetic to the wellbeing of the upper echelon and the potential consequences that the Destruction of Western Civilization may hold for all.

    Thusly, any attempt to ‘fix’ our current situation cannot hinge on past solutions or states. Too much has changed… Important individuals, communities, organizations, ideas, ideals, nations, relations and the way they all interact.

    Too much is changing… The role the factions of Western Civilization play in internal and external maintenance and expansion, the material and economic power that these factions have, the strength and speed in which their power erodes and the predictions by which these factions are basing their views of the future on.

    Social Conservatives cannot return the U.S. to some reified pre-1960s state of social and political affairs. For them to continue to ramble on as if such plans are possible and condemn others for PRACTICAL, RATIONAL SOLUTIONS that deviate from such plans does nothing else but to debase any credibility they have.

    Bio Conservatives cannot continue to skirt the fine line between social/ethnic/cultural truths and Nazi-like social policy solutions. Credibility in these conflicts currently favors Bio Conservatives, but if credibility is to continue to favor them, their arguments must be based on empirical science and the realization that Non-Asian Minorities, Gays and Feminists cannot be overtly forced out of civilization nor made to cease actions that are perceived as less ideal unless reasonable and beneficial alternatives are produced. Continuing to speak of these groups as abstract concepts that can be as easily removed from real life as they can from Bio-Conservative’s skewed historical perspectives will only serve to tank their movement before it truly moves outside the scape of the internet.

    In conclusion, I would definitely advise both parties to heed the suggestions of a rational third party. Emotions may run high behind the curtain of Internet Anonymity, but that does not mean the consequential rants of these emotions fail to seep into reality.

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  294. I don’t think 1/3rd of the population being productive is workable

    I do. By my estimates, the productive share is no greater than 20%

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  295. “Bio Conservatives cannot continue to skirt the fine line between social/ethnic/cultural truths and Nazi-like social policy solutions.”

    nonsense–almost the entire dysfunctional caste in the US is CAUSED by governemtn policies that can simply be repealed. no gas chambers needed, no deportation, no nothing–laissez faire em out of existence

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  296. Dana said:

    “nonsense–almost the entire dysfunctional caste in the US is CAUSED by governemtn policies that can simply be repealed. no gas chambers needed, no deportation, no nothing–laissez faire em out of existence”

    My Response is:

    Dana, could you elaborate, please?

    Unfortunately, whenever I hear similar suggestions from Bio-Conservatives and HBD-Advocates they tend to drive the proposal to it’s absolute extreme.

    Comments such as “Repeal Naturalized Citizenship Laws”, “Repeal Women’s Sufferage”, “Limit All Immigrants Except Foreign WASPs”, “End All Welfare”, etc.

    Such concepts may fulfill some desire for avenging a former condition of Western Civilization, but they lack any rational, long-term beneficial basis for the repair of our society.

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  297. on August 30, 2009 at 7:20 pm The Fifth Horseman

    whiskey wrote :

    Ross, Monica, and Rachel never really lived like observing Jews

    Again, I don’t see any evidence that the show portrayed them as Jews at all. Either you or PA would have to provide a link (wikipedia article, fansite, video clip) to corroborate the speculation that they were Jewish characters. Until then, I see no evidence.

    no can or ever will make a movie with AQ or bin Laden as bad guys being beaten.

    There were a few in the 90s. True Lies was one. There was an HBO movie in 1998 that specifically dealt with an Islamic plot to destroy the WTC.

    There were TV films, like ‘Path to 9/11’ that made AQ and Clinton look very bad.

    But there are not enough. There need to be more.

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  298. Fifth Horseman,

    There was one episode where Ross wants Ben, his son, to celebrate Hannukah, so he dresses up as the “Holiday Armadillo” to teach him about it.

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  299. Ruby,
    Your comments wrt Bio-Conservatives & HBD are quite interesting, but I take exception to your notion that socalled NAMs are either “apathetic or hostile” to upholding Anglo-based American culture. Indeed, we see this notion thoroughly debunked in last year’s Presidential elections, where a virtual 100% voter turnout among African Americans was seen, and high turnout numbers were also reported wrt the Hispanic community, among others. Moreover, I would strongly argue that socalled “NAMs” (a highly problematic term in itself, as it smacks of putting a “scientific veneer” on racial scapegoating) are every bit as “American” and in many ways even moreso, than many Anglo and other White stocks. For example, both Jazz and Hip Hop are quintessentially American-in no other place in the world, was such art forms, now ubiquitous worldwide, could have been created, because embedded in each is the founding principles and ethos that is fundamentally American.

    Anyway, just wanted to toss that on the table. But I agree, the HBD/Bio-Con/SocialCon crowd had better come up with some real and workable solutions fast, lest they forever be relegated to Constituion/Libertarian Party status-even worse, as they are still on the Internet, and do not yet have a bricks and mortar existence or presence.
    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  300. *Obsidian decloaks*

    Hello Ruby,
    I’ve skimmed both the leadoff post of Roissy’s here, and as well the ensuing thread, and have found your comments among the more insightful ones that in my view merit further examination and response. I repost your comments in question, in full, below, after which follows my response:

    RUBY:Ruby

    Here we go again.

    I don’t think the measure of the legitimacy of the respective sides in the Roissyphere vs. Beta Conservatives vs. 3rd Wave Feminists vs. Ethical PUAs vs. Etc. should be on the “perceived objectivity” of their ideals. This is bullshit.

    Whether any of the most radical proponents of these sides want to admit it, each side has some good points and observations to back up their point of view. The issues arise when each respective side declares that they have a monopoly on morality, utility and TRUTH.

    For this reason, the best criteria would seem to be the practical implications, results and consequences of each philosophy.

    Beta Conservatives had the historical advantage, but have lost major ground.

    3rd Wave Feminists have been trying to distance themselves with the Radical Feminism of Andrea Dworkin but are still very hostile to Men’s Rights and “Game”. Because of this caveat they are quickly losing relevancy within the modern face of the Date-&-Mate Field of Battle.

    Ethical PUAs are trying their best to commercialize and mainstream “Game” for mass consumption under various agendas. They currently have the upper-hand in practical application and results.

    Last but definitely not least, the Roissysphere seems to be the variable non-state actors in this little War; Possessing WMDs of unsubtle and unabashed socio-sexual observation and seduction technique. While not fully recognized as legitimate because of the more extreme elements in this camp, their pragmatism is unmatched. The ultimate results and consequences for their bid for power remains to be seen.

    Truly though, you see that after abandoning dogma, ad hominem, trolling and flame wars you can still come to an objective and useful assessment of this conflict and the various components.

    Consider doing so.

    OBSIDIAN: While I find many of your comments quite interesting to read, I must say w/all due respect they are a bit off.

    I say that because it is not the PUA/Game community who has taken an active “combatant” role in the “war” between and among the groups you cited; indeed, a close reading of the recent history confirms, if anything, that said community was and continues to be “attacked” by the aforementioned other “combatants” in said “conflict”. Only very recently-within the last year or so, if that-has *any* element of the PUA/Game community begun to mount a full frontal counteroffensive against said forces, who up to this point, have pretty have been able to “fire at will” on us.

    Moreover, I do not recall anyone, Roissy or his associates, of which I consider myself one to an extent, ever attempting to make a larger sociological argument for Game beyond its applicability and/or the conditions that make it so; only the SocialCons/Betas and as you put them, “3rd Wave Feminists” have erected such strawmen. That neither group has to date, been able to first properly define and then offer credible counter arguments wrt Game, just goes to show the inherent weakness of both their arguments as well as their overall platforms.

    Of course, the PUA/Game community makes for an enticing scapegoat-simply blame all of society’s ills on this seemingly ragtag group of guys, and problem solved. NOT-because even in the absence of said community, the very real social shifts, or should I say, rifts, among other things, that makes said community even possible to begin with, would still very much be there. The real problem then, that the SocialCons and 3rd Wavers have then, w/Game, is that its practitioners are not only taking advantage of said “rifts” in the social fabric, but, in so doing, they are putting to bed the many “pretty lies” that both groups have foisted upon millions of young Men for decades now.

    It is for this reason, above all other, that Game is vociferously hated on, by both the SocialCons and 3rd Wavers. As the old saying goes, Politics, makes for some strange bedfellows indeed.

    As for your short reading list, here’s mine that you may want to consider:

    Mystery Method

    The Game

    Pimp

    The Art Of Seduction

    The Story Of O

    The Kama Sutra

    The Perfumed Garden

    Happy reading.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  301. She was like a little girl with him, and he was his most tender, protective, fun alpha self with her.

    Shudder, how terrible.

    As I advise cute young non-slut girls in real life, get yourself a much older alpha.

    And what if they can’t for varying reasons?

    Either you or PA would have to provide a link

    Per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Green

    In interviews in the extras of the DVD set, the producers state that Rachel was based on the “Jewish princess from Long Island” stereotype, hence easier to assume that regardless of the spelling, Rachel is Jewish.

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  302. dana

    what the fuck is nicole ever talking about?

    Yeah I know.

    She’s usually obscure, non linear, not very logical, and full of magical thinking.

    All with the object of …

    Well we know what that is.

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  303. My Response to Obsidian:

    I originally wrote that….

    “an equally SIGNIFICANT PORTION of the lower echelons of greater humanity [Non-Asian Minorities] … are either hostile or apathetic to the wellbeing of the upper echelon and the potential consequences that the Destruction of Western Civilization may hold for all.”

    I was attempting to convey that enough of the ‘Non-Asian Minorities’ are hostile or apathetic to the degrading conditions of Western Civilization to cause social unease; Not that all NAMs have not contributed to the building and enriching or Western Civilization or are not attempting to maintain it, either.

    I’m a 21 year old black male who lives in the ghetto. After years of sociological observation literally standing as the buffer between several sub-sections of society tensely interacting with each other, I feel I can make these statements.

    As for the designation, “Non-Asian Minorities” — I absolutely agree that it is somewhat of a misnomer in intent. The term seethes with open disdain.

    The only reason I use it here is because it serves as a bridge between two perspectives in lieu of more extreme terms that the other party would possibly prefer to use…

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  304. Obsidian,

    It is far more feasible to implement a final solution for WASPs, than any other group. Most of them don’t realize that..

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  305. on August 30, 2009 at 8:33 pm aussie girl in australia

    Whiskey.

    “One of the few male writers on “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” compared the female fans of the show to the women who fall in love with death-row inmates, and fans (and the female writers) nearly got him fired for saying that. THE most popular character on the show was rapist-killer “Spike” who after raping the lead character (who later fell totally in love with him), went through the roof in how fans responded to him. BUT … though fan intensity increased, overall viewership declined. [Series star Gellar hated that storyline, but could not get it killed — the female writers LOVED it as did the show creator.]”

    Actually what happened is that Buffy had a fuck-buddy type of relationship with Spike which was mostly a way of punishing herself (she had major issues in this season). She finally broke it off with him but he got psycho about it as he had fallen in love with her. He TRIED to rape her as a way of making her “feel it” again for him. He didn’t succeed though (she IS the slayer after all) and he ran off to look for redemption. Spike presented as an alpha but the way he ran around after Buffy like a puppy dog and then tried to force her to love him was very Beta.
    I agree that the women who loved this story line were expressing a dark side of femininity that is drawn to dangerous men. On the other hand there is no point in misrepresenting the plot line to make your point.

    I think what Buffy did (using Spike to deal with her issues regardless of his feelings for her) is a perfect example of the selfish behavior of some women in regards to men. In the end though it will catch up to them, as it did for Buffy.

    Also worth noting that she was attracted to Spike when he was taunting her, beating her or putting her down. As soon as he started talking love and feelings she was out the door. I actually think this makes a point about Game rather well, don’t you?

    P.S. Sorry for the Buffy-geekdom but I found the show to be an interesting social commentary and got quite into it.

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  306. My Response to Obsidian:

    Thank you.

    I agree — The PUA Community isn’t complicit in any conflict between the various internet sub-cultures we’ve mentioned.

    I was only trying to show that through attempts to mainstream and commercialize “Game”, PUAs have made themselves appear to be a valid faction that the others can aim at, and possibly, scapegoat.

    I have some criticisms of the general push towards commercialization and mono-standardization by PUAs, but I will concede that much of the criticism that comes their way seems to be devoid of logic and content.,

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  307. aussie girl in australia,

    There is a non-dark side of femininity?

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  308. “upholding Anglo-based American culture. Indeed, we see this notion thoroughly debunked in last year’s Presidential elections, where a virtual 100% voter turnout among African Americans was seen, and high turnout numbers were also reported wrt the Hispanic community, among others”

    lol they turned out in record numbers in order to vote to OVERTURN anglo based american culture–not in order to UPHOLD it

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  309. on August 30, 2009 at 8:47 pm aussie girl in australia

    Lucifer,

    Is there a non-dark side to masculinity?

    Is there a non-dark side to humanity?

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  310. dana,

    I think whites should understand this:

    Nobody likes you and your source of power has dissipated. Even worse, you require the rest to play nice to remain alive. Regrettably, your self-image has not kept up with the real world.

    How will that work out? Stay tuned to see the conclusion..

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  311. aussie girl in australia,

    So are you working on your chinese? Hey, would you like to be assimilated or live on a reservation.

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  312. lucifer, jews aren’t white and no one likes us. i’ve lived with that for 40 yrs, i think i can handle it for a few more

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  313. on August 30, 2009 at 8:56 pm aussie girl in australia

    Lucifer,

    Don’t know WHAT you are talking about. Australia is a very conservative country with a much more rigid immigration policy than the US. Dont you worry about us.

    As for what I really think about dark-sides? There is a dark side to all humanity – women, men, children etc.
    Some embrace it, some don’t bother fighting it, some work against it. None of us are perfect.

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  314. aussie girl in australia,

    You require someone to buy your natural resources, no sale = no money. Therefore you have play nice to your customers.

    Your biggest asian customer has a large population, industrial base, financial power and nukes (and no love for whites). Your laws are worthless against overwhelming military/ economic power. Better play nice, or they will put you on a reservation.

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  315. on August 30, 2009 at 9:05 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Lucifer:

    It is far more feasible to implement a final solution for WASPs, than any other group. Most of them don’t realize that.

    Bring it. I’ve got a safe full of guns and I can retreat to the Appalachian Mountains in good order; there are probably hordes of men and women far better equipped and trained to resist your Endlösung to the WASP Problem. You’ll need a state of the art military establishment like the U.S. Army or Marine Corps to have a prayer of success.

    You might get Auschwitz-on-the-Hudson or other SWPL bastions to be successful, but anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon Line might just be a different proposition. I do, however, remain consistently amused at your prognoses of doom for the white peoples of the Earth. There might be more Indians and more Chinese, but like Denis Leary used to say, “We’ve got the bomb.”

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  316. on August 30, 2009 at 9:06 pm aussie girl in australia

    Yeah ok.

    Just worry about your own nation thanks.
    You guys have enough problems of your own.

    We have no where NEAR the problems you have. You’ll be on a reservation long before me mate.

    BTW, what is the point in you saying this to me anyway? Are my points not valid because you think China will take over my country? Yeah, that’s a reasoned argument!

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  317. on August 30, 2009 at 9:07 pm The Fifth Horseman

    As a book. I would also recommend ‘Bang’ by Roosh. It is twice the price of what a book that thin should be, but whatever, these are tiny sums in the grand scheme of things.

    He goes over the same material as Mystery, but fills in other blanks about *why* approach anxiety is there, how to break it, how to get ‘the vibe’, etc.

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  318. Virginia Gentleman,

    You don’t understand our friend Lucy. He’s pissed off that the good looking Indian girls go after higher-caste Indian guys or white guys, not him. Therein lies his torment and that’s why he’s lashing out at whites. In whose country he’s living nicely. Albeit lonely.

    His claims that whites aren’t liked by Asians is an outward projection of the ugliness he sees inside his own crippled soul.

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  319. Virginia Gentleman,

    I am certainly more original than that… The trick is to get you idiots to make the first move, the rest will fall into place.

    The second option is to just let your world crumble from it’s contradictions, far less overtly violent but very effective. It is happening as we speak.

    The third option.. never mind. There are many other ways to make it happen in a seemingly ‘normal’ fashion

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  320. He won’t even pick a solid Subcontinental deity name like Kali or Shiva for himself.

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  321. PA,

    It is not “your” country anymore, or have you not realized that.

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  322. PA,

    I like to torment idiots with nightmares they understand.

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  323. on August 30, 2009 at 9:14 pm aussie girl in australia

    PA

    I didn’t realise Lucifer was an angry Indian guy. Everything makes much more sense now. I have known guys like that before – I understand the bitterness.

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  324. aussie girl in australia,

    My nation? By that logic, your nation is in the slums of victorian UK.

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  325. on August 30, 2009 at 9:16 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I think he is Sri Lankan, actually.

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  326. on August 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm aussie girl in australia

    you keep telling yourself that while I enjoy the beautiful lifestyle we have in Sydney.

    Get out and see the world !

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  327. aussie girl in australia,

    They won’t take over ‘your’ country. You will ‘give’ it to them.

    Look, I am interested in the possibility of a world without your type. The identity of your nemesis is irrelevant.

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  328. on August 30, 2009 at 9:19 pm aussie girl in australia

    My “type”??

    You don’t know a thing about me except that I’m female and from australia.

    Oh, and that I see how pathetic you are.

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  329. aussie girl in australia,

    I am not interested in the views of your type, just your demise. Have to say that I was born at the right time in human history to see that.

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  330. Speaking of nemesis, you do realize, Lucifer, that your namesake was soundly thashed by his nemesis?

    Him the Almighty Power
    Hurled headlong naming from the ethereal sky,
    With hideous ruin and combustion, down
    To bottomless perdition ; there to dwell
    In adamantine chains and penal fire,
    Who durst defy the Omnipotent to arms.

    Kinda hitched you wagon to a loser, didn’tchya?

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  331. PA,

    Considering that the book was not edited by me, what did you expect?

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  332. on August 30, 2009 at 9:27 pm aussie girl in australia

    PA

    You are such a dude.
    Catholic men like you rock the boat (as opposed to “catholic” men like the Kennedys).

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  333. thumbs up to aussie girl

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  334. “Considering that the book was not edited by me, what did you expect?”

    If anything, Milton was probably a little too generous in his depiction of Satan in “Paradise Lost”, probably because Satan was at least an interesting character.

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  335. DaveinHackensack,

    The concept of Lucifer is not the same as that of Satan. I though you would know that..

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  336. Lucifer

    Nobody likes you and your source of power has dissipated. Even worse, you require the rest to play nice to remain alive. Regrettably, your self-image has not kept up with the real world.

    How will that work out? Stay tuned to see the conclusion..

    I’m starting to think you should be terminated.

    With extreme prejudice.

    By those for whom those words were first spoken.

    Just for being mondo annoying.

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  337. An alpha like Roissy keep blogging on daily basis? I just cringed.

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  338. Lucifer

    Your biggest asian customer has a large population, industrial base, financial power and nukes (and no love for whites).

    China’s nukes totally suck.

    They’re transported to e.g. the US only on liquid fueled rockets that take hours to fuel. Out in the open.

    We could probably destroy them all pre-emptively.

    On the other hand Australia in a crisis could get a bunch of US state of the art nuclear weapons on a kind of lend-lease basis with “technical advisers” on the lickety split. To preserve som fictions.

    Lucifer. Twerp.

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  339. Hello Dana,

    You said:

    “dana

    “upholding Anglo-based American culture. Indeed, we see this notion thoroughly debunked in last year’s Presidential elections, where a virtual 100% voter turnout among African Americans was seen, and high turnout numbers were also reported wrt the Hispanic community, among others”

    lol they turned out in record numbers in order to vote to OVERTURN anglo based american culture–not in order to UPHOLD it”

    OBSIDIAN: Proof, please?

    Thank you.

    O

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  340. Obsidian–

    OBSIDIAN: Proof, please?

    Since you’ve never offered proof or links or study citations for any of your assertions, it’s a little rich for you to ask for it from others.

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  341. Doug1,

    The world has changed since the early 1970s… technology has spread. Plus why do with nukes what you can do with trade.

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  342. res ipsa loquitur–they voted for obama who is a transnational progressive who is actively attempting to dismantle the last shreds of the constitutional republic

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  343. Doug1,

    I think your types does not appreciate its own mortality, but luckily that will be fixed.

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  344. on August 30, 2009 at 10:44 pm aussie girl in australia

    I think this “type” lucifer keeps refering to is simply those that disagree with him.

    Pathetic

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  345. Obsidian – “Indeed, we see this notion thoroughly debunked in last year’s Presidential elections, where a virtual 100% voter turnout among African Americans was seen, and high turnout numbers were also reported wrt the Hispanic community, among others”

    Here are the actual percentages :

    Among non-Hispanic white citizens over 18, fully 66.1% voted.

    Among Hispanic citizens over 18, only 49.9% voted.

    Among Black citizens over 18, fully 64.7% voted.

    Among Asian citizens over 18, only 47.6% voted.

    google “US Census voter turnout 2008” and there were some articles in July about it.

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  346. on August 30, 2009 at 10:53 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Ruby:

    Social Conservatives cannot return the U.S. to some reified pre-1960s state of social and political affairs. For them to continue to ramble on as if such plans are possible and condemn others for PRACTICAL, RATIONAL SOLUTIONS that deviate from such plans does nothing else but to debase any credibility they have.

    Funny, the libertarians and the leftists seem to think we’re on the verge of total and unqualified success in our plans to revert the world to black-and-white Pleasantville. While a nuclear family with Joan Allen, Donna Reed, Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Montgomery at your side broadcast in crisp black-and-white is awfully appealing from where I sit, the horrific reality is that the forces of decline and decay seem post gains more often than not.

    Put bluntly, what’s “practical” and “rational” depends upon where you start from. Perhaps they’re practical and rational from your early principles, but not mine or Lawrence Auster et al. Furthermore, this “rational, third party” seems to be something like the fallacy of the golden mean. Just because the “rational third party” proposes a solution halfway between say, my goals and Horseman’s doesn’t mean that the proposed half is of any value. Put in a simple example, if I propose a bridge linking the island of Manhattan with mainland New York and Horseman instead demands that we do nothing while Lucifer preaches the doom of the white man, there’s no value in a “rational third party” proposing a bridge that stops halfway across.

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  347. My Response to Virginia Gentleman:

    I simply proposed that So-Cons and Bio-Cons actually work towards their stated goals in ways that are more socially acceptable, rational, subtle and based in the full encompassing of social and political realities.

    If these two groups are serious about reinvigorating the West in a systematic manner, complaining about their disgust over it’s degradation using language and ideas that would drive anyone away who heard them in a real life public discourse only serves to debase their movement before it actually starts.

    I was not proposing compromise to the dissolution of the goal, only concentration of the goal to the dissolution of the filth.

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  348. Aussie — Whedon (who ought to know, it was his show) said explicitly Spike DID Rape Buffy, that was the whole point, along with his show runner Marti Noxon who wrote the actual scene and has said the same. Both felt strongly that rape was not a barrier to a romantic relationship (it features strongly in all of Noxon’s work like say, Mad Men) and Whedon has given interviews where he talks about how “some” (I guess “cool”) guys who do this should not be shunned.

    Spike was Alpha in relation to ordinary men, whenever Angel (taller, more violent, stronger) was around it was “Spike who?” but around Beta boys and men it was all Spike, who nailed another character’s fiancee and had Buffy’s lesbian best friend in their rooting for him. You are right about his morphing Alpha/Beta status, and Buffy’s reaction to him. Female fan reaction showed there was indeed only one lesson: don’t be Beta, always be Alpha. For the latter, all and everything is forgiven, for the former, nothing.

    Lucifer: China and India will grow old before it grows rich, both have ugly fights over not enough women looming, most of the people in both nations are illiterate and low-IQ inland dwelling desperately poor peasants, both face serious Islamic claims to big chunks of their territory and indigenous Muslims creating chronic terrorism threats, with massive dialect/regional/sublimated national conflicts barely buried beneath the surface. Whites have faced would-be conquerors since Xerxes, so hatred is nothing new. Generally when pressed Whites favor shock battle of annihilation using superior heavy weapons/infantry to kill the enemy totally, instead of raids, guerilla action, etc. This is a deep cultural pattern that re-occurs over and over again. Anyone contemplating Gettysburg, Verdun, Stalingrad, or Okinawa would not find a war of conquest or extermination against Whites a happy prospect.

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  349. Obsidiian

    Never is a rash word.

    You certainly VERY rarely have, if ever.

    PS. Dana’s 100% black turnout is no doubt hyperbole.

    The underlying point, that blacks feel utterly entitled to vote upon nakely ethnically self interested lines, while whites, or at least Anglo whites don’t, is correct.

    In fact when whites start to organize ethnically it’s called “white nationalism” if not “white supremacism” by leftists.

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  350. on August 30, 2009 at 11:15 pm aussie girl in australia

    Whiskey

    I’m not sure where you have heard Whedon say that Spike raped her. In watching the episode it seems pretty clear it was an attempted rape but I could be wrong. I don’t think it actually matters if he succeeded or not.
    Yes Spike was Alpha compared to ordinary guys. Look at what happened with Riley?
    It is important to note though that Buffy was with Spike before the attempted rape. It’s not like he raped her and then she started screwing him. His rape – or attempted rape – was classic beta anger “why won’t you love me? I’ll make you love me again!”
    Spike behaved in a similar way towards Druscilla – who dumped him. As he once described himself, he is “love’s bitch”.
    Oh, and he screwed the other character’s fiancee after she had been left at the alter! I don’t think she owed much to the guy who humiliated her and broke her heart in such a public way, do you?
    Lesbian’s on his side? That wasn’t the impression I got at all. Especially when Tara told him he should go put some ice on it.
    Buffy did have some interesting observations about men and women but at least represent it accurately.

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  351. Virginia Gentlemen —

    Your posts are very insightful, among the best here. I too would long for a more “world that works” of the 1950’s, and the values and concepts therein. I don’t think however given the vested interests of various groups we will ever see that happen. Particularly women are not going to give up the total social/sexual freedom given by the pill, condom, anonymous urban living and rising incomes.

    What CAN be done I think in practical terms is small (i.e. Novaseeker’s view that the personal is the practical) such as Game as much as possible for men able and willing to take that step (probably a small group, and even smaller with the discipline and mental ability to practice it constantly, and become even halfway good at it).

    But for the rest, what I would propose is “managed savagery.” It seems to me with the Mancession and women finding marginal advantage in wages, college admissions/graduation, female friendly government health, education, and welfare employment spending, female domination of marketing, hr, advertising, publishing, etc. we are moving towards a permanent “Gap.” One of most men living the Chav life, of marginal and seasonal employment, black market part-time labor, welfare benefits, low status, with most women being boring office drones dealing with the “knowledge class” of insourced H1B Visa holders or the few Sodini types left. This will only accelerate the female competition (and sharing) for the few “Big Love” Edwards/Kennedy types out there given women’s hypergamy. The male response to this is Chavism. All the Game in the world won’t help you if you get “glassed” by a Chav pissed you looked at “his” claimed woman. What’s he got to lose? A short stint in jail? So what, he’s already career underemployed. Meanwhile he sent unmistakeable signals to everyone who is dominant and who is subordinate. What conservatives can do, realistically, is help manage this descent so that Chavs glass folks instead of break out the AK-47’s.

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  352. on August 30, 2009 at 11:21 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Lucifer:

    Look, I am interested in the possibility of a world without your type.

    If that be the case, I suggest that you and yours stock up on copies of Duck and Cover and/or Fallout 3, because getting rid of us will probably require the conversion of the planet into an irradiated hell. You’d best start training to survive; if you’re lucky, the BBC’s Threads will be the future.

    The threat, military or otherwise, posed by you and yours, be they Indian, Ceylonian or otherwise, is laughable. To rip off an old movie, I’m laughing at the “superior intellect” of a group of civilizations who’s never quite managed to do much other than breed and be conquered in recent centuries. Sure, India seems to have run over Pakistan in the 1971 war, but I daresay that NATO and the ex-Warsaw Pact, if necessary, will be far more tougher targets than a bunch of Pakistani draftees. While it’s true that India does have a nuclear arsenal, that arsenal is probably designed to obliterate Islamabad and other Pakistani targets of value, if any.

    I would remind you that NATO and the ex-Warsaw Pact countries’ arsenals could conceivably end life on the planet at one point—I wouldn’t advise Hindu supremacists to test their arsenal against ours. We might pull punches but recent history argues strongly that the Russians won’t. You won’t like the Russians when they’re angry, and you don’t need Stalin’s millions to turn a couple of keys in a silo or aboard a missile boat somewhere.

    I must admit to being amused by this Sunday evening diversion. Lucifer wants what sounds like either a Sierra Club white paper or a History Channel special presentation, A World Without White People. I’d submit that such wouldn’t be worth living in; it might even be an irradiated or dessicated hell, in which case his posting handle is ironically appropriate.

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  353. Ruby says, “I was not proposing compromise to the dissolution of the goal, only concentration of the goal to the dissolution of the filth.”

    They’ll have to get rid of some of their own filth first.

    I’m not as gloom and doom about it as Lucifer, but I don’t see cons cleaning house anytime soon. Their conveniently blind nostalgia prevents most of them from looking towards the future.

    Eastern Europeans, in my opinion, are going to be their salvation. They have real White cultures, not whitewashed cultures. Their values haven’t been interrupted by 200+ years of “melting pot” opportunism disguised as a culture.

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  354. Why the fuck is someone from India gloating about the Chinese nuking whitey? They’d take out your dusky ass before us.

    I get that you’re angry that your proud culture was overthrown by a handful of limey poofsters, but get the fuck over yourself already.

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  355. “I have to tell you, my American friends, your modern TV shows are shit. “

    Brotherhood, Rescue Me, Entourage, and Curb Your Enthusiasm are all great shows.

    “The concept of Lucifer is not the same as that of Satan. I though you would know that.”

    The quote from Paradise Lost (the book you claimed you didn’t “edit”) refers to Satan. I assumed you would know that.

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  356. Doug1 said:

    “In fact when whites start to organize ethnically it’s called “white nationalism” if not “white supremacism” by leftists.”

    My Response is:

    The reason being that the hegemony of Western European values within modern Western Civilization has given those national identities that are subsumed under the label of “white” the choice and freedom to still be affiliated with their native culture or another culture.

    I.E. — A white American can claim to be of Irish, German, Polish, Hungarian, Swedish, Swiss, Norwergian, Bulgarian, English, French, Scottish, Welsh, etc., etc., etc. heritage and can attach themselves to any or all.

    Or if they like to be a bit more eclectic and modern, they can be part of a particular sub-culture without question.

    More often than not, NAMs, due partly to past civil rights efforts of ‘solidarity’ and partly to modern stereotyping, are socially subsumed under one racial/ethnic/culture identity with the promise of much difficulty to escape it.

    A large black male in America will be identified as a large black male primarily and a soldier/clerk/nurse/painter/biochemist/drug dealer/cop/claims adjuster/etc. second. All the general initial judgments attached to the label of ‘large black male’ will follow him as well.

    This isn’t an attack on anyone’s observations; Just an explanation of the phenomenon via my own. No need to ignite the flamethrowers.

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  357. Whedon said that Spike raped Buffy in many, many interviews. Spike screwed the guy’s fiancee after the guy had been given horrible visions of himself murdering his fiancee, shortly before the wedding. Meanwhile Buffy’s lesbian pal Willow pushed for Buffy to start having sex with Spike again. Buffy instantly forgave Spike for raping her, the Anya character wanted her fiancee dead for not dancing to her tune like a good beta boy.

    The character of Anya was pretty interesting — your basic slut-bomb, that the low esteem Beta, Xander found would sleep with him repeatedly (because no one else wanted her for anything other than a one night stand). However whenever the more Alpha Spike was available, she was all over him, and found him killing people VERY sexy (as did Buffy and even lesbian Willow). You can never reform a slut.

    The character also showed the central lesson with women: don’t ever be Beta (revealing in the fan reaction too). Female fans made (and make) excuse after excuse for the male characters who look attractive and kill people (Angel and Spike), and express dominance towards the female characters. Nothing else really mattered, not character, morals, intelligence, compassion, humor, nothing. Despite the actors portraying the violent, sadistic, “sexy” vampires being among the worst in skills and basic acting ability, and those portraying the Beta guys the best (Tony Head, Seth Green, Nicholas Brendon, Marc Blucas) the female fans ADORED the violent, moody, dominating, and often abusive male vampire characters. And explicitly wanted the “beta” male characters to be sexless “friends.”

    [Along with the ratings failure of “Life” which had at it’s core a very masculine man who was neither dominant nor subservient to his female partner (and interested in being neither), “Buffy” is IMHO very telling in where our culture is going.]

    Slowly but surely, women are going to create the very thing they won’t like in a few generations, but won’t have a way out of: a group of Chav-like Alpha types, who don’t cooperate, who fight at the drop of a hat, and are both dominant and domineering/controlling to their women. Men don’t do subtle. Women can have us Beta, or Chav. No in-between for long.

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  358. on August 30, 2009 at 11:42 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Why is a Sri Lankan (Lucifer) fantasizing about China nuking Australia? Sri Lanka can’t even get the terrorists under control in their own island nation.

    I mean, it that isn’t a ‘small-dick syndrome’, I don’t know what is.

    Attractive Sri Lankan woman (to the extent such there are) will still not want HIM, so the absence of whites will not improve his sex prospects at all.

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  359. Doug,
    What you and every other White person who moans, whins, bitches, and pisses about Obama’s high Black voter turnout is the fact that Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry ALSO received very high Black voter turnouts as well. Of course, the latter three Men were White, as have been ALL the other Presidential candidates in the past who had any serious shot at winning.

    The utter fear and delusional nature on the part of some Whites, when it comes to Blacks voting for Obama is at turns, both fascinating and disconcerting, because they either cannot or will not get their heads around the simple fact that Black support for Obama was RACIAL, NOT RACIST. And again, this is based on the actual voting record historically of Black folk.

    To suggest that Black folk are somehow “just as racist” as some Whites in the past or currently, is yet another canard based in irrational fears. The is no comparable record to be made.

    And again I challenge Dana’s premise: African Americans’ exercising their franchise, which they fought, marched, was beaten and some even did for, is the quintessence of what it means to BE American. I find Dana’s statements to be foolish on their face, yet another very feminine example of hysteria and hyperbole. Attempting to compare her statements to mine is on its face laughable. Check the actual archives.

    O

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  360. on August 30, 2009 at 11:47 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Virginia Gentleman wrote :

    proposes a solution halfway between say, my goals and Horseman’s

    What?

    What are ‘my goals’?

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  361. whiskey,

    Could you have seen 1933 in 1913, or 1953 in 1933, or 2009 in 1989? Why are you so confident about your future?

    PS- Whether China or India get rich before they get old is irrelevant, because your type might not be around for that long

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  362. on August 30, 2009 at 11:53 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    The thing about black voters :

    They are Democrats first and Blacks second.

    Obsidian correctly points out that blacks voted 90% for Kerry, Gore, etc. Obama merely moved that from 90% to 96%.

    On the flip side, when a black Republican runs against a white Homocrat (as we saw in 3 major races in 2006), the blacks still vote for the Homocrat (calling the black Republican a sellout), while the white Republicans actually vote for the black Republican without regard to his color.

    Even Chic Noir, just yesterday, said that a black person who did not vote for Obama is a sellout. She said this knowing full well that Obsidian voted for McCain, so that is what she really thinks.

    So, to be precise, blacks are Homocrats first and blacks second. They think voting Homocrat is in the interests of their race, even to the extent that a black Republican cannot get the black vote, because a black Republican is ‘not really black’. Party idenfication trumps actual color in the definition of ‘black identity’.

    The logic is quite circular, on their part.

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  363. on August 30, 2009 at 11:56 pm Virginia Gentleman

    The Fifth Horseman:

    What are ‘my goals’?

    I have no clear idea but they don’t matter for the context I used your name in. I just put you in there for illustration only; I needed someone who probably was easily identified as being somewhere near diametrically opposed to mine.

    Nothing beyond that.

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  364. I was being weird in being attracted to Anthony Head/Seth Green the most, then? Mostly when they were single, I think, and not showcasing their betaness. They did take charge (poor Green werewolfed at one point, no?) and didn’t give stupid beta-in-disguise angst that vampires do.

    Union of the head and heart, ah…

    Sure, whatever you say, I’m sure I was “subconsciously” attracted to pale lanky angstville vampires (who so desperately needed their powers… both so beta before conversion, isn’t it?) before roissy goes for my…
    …throat.

    I have to admit the bite of the vampire is erotic. This bite in Blade is memorable for me, where she willingly gives him just enough for him to feed and trusts him to take just enough. Hot. Some compare the concept of the vampire bite as similar to rape fantasies, especially an important point thanks to the explosion of the obsession with paranormal, which may have followed on after feminist-ideology-led censorship of rape (which has been happening for twenty years perhaps, I think, pertaining to romance novels.).

    joel: As said above, rape has been quite largely absent for romance novels for some time now.

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  365. Whiskey,

    A few more points:

    Whites can be destroyed without firing a single bullet, economics and demography is a bitch. In case you do not get it, you are not dealing with stone age natives or aborigines here. You are dealing with far more devious and sophisticated civilizations who NOW have many more of the same weapons you have and willingness to take attrition.

    Virginia Gentleman,

    You type can be wiped out in more than one way. We have the numbers, technology and demographic profile. You do not have any of the old advantages. Plus your economic system needs us to survive, but we do not require your survival.

    Wolfs and hyenas are far more efficient predators than lions and cats. We can run you down, slowly but surely. Your worst nightmare is not a full on war, but gradual strangulation. You are far more dependent on a functional system than us, and that is your greatest weakness.

    Cheeses,

    You have resources that they currently pay you for. It is far cheaper and easier for them to take you over and get the stuff for free.

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  366. Apeman,
    This is because the last time I checked, Black folks had both the freedom of speech and the right to vote-meaning, that if they think that Black GOPers are sellouts, well that’s their right; and if they want to vote Democrat to the tune of near 100%, well that’s their right, too.

    Notice how both franchises makes Black folks undeniably American.

    Next question?

    O

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  367. on August 31, 2009 at 12:11 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Loserfer,

    For all the ‘WE have this and YOU do not’ crap you are spewing, I doubt you can get a single Indian, Chinese, or other Asian person here to side with you.

    Why are none of them interested in your vision? Perhaps most of them do not share your wishes, and have better things to do.

    It must suck that not even your own group wants to associate with you.

    You are a nutty Sri Lankan. Get your own little island under control before you talk.

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  368. It is quite obvious that Lucifer is trolling to illicit a strong reaction from whoever is unwary enough to fall into an argument with him.

    The question then, is, why is ANYONE responding to his inflammatory statements?

    If you have the answer and are in agreeance, please do not even respond to this post. Just continue to discuss the issues originally outlined in this thread and ignore Lucifer outright.

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  369. on August 31, 2009 at 12:17 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obsidian,

    It is not a question of ‘rights’. It is a question of identification.

    Blacks are Democrats first and blacks second.

    A black Republican cannot get the black vote away from a white Democrat. This means black identity is more tied to voting Democrat than actual skin color.

    I do agree that if Obama were the GOP candidate, he would get 15% at most of the black vote (sort of like Lynn Swann got).

    No other group has such a ‘single-party state’ ideology as blacks. No other group votes 90-96% for one party. Not Jews, not WASPS, not gays, union workers, or Mexicans. No one is so lopsided about tying a party so closely with their ethnic identity.

    Chic Noir says you are a sellout. More importantly, this does not surprise you at all, as this is what most blacks think of blacks who voted for McCain.

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  370. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    I do not care about human approval. I only care about objective reality and probabilities, and I have gamed hundreds of scenarios based on what I have seen. Your type does not win in any one, except maybe a hollywood inspired one in which aliens back your kind.

    The real choice for you spans from assimilation to extinction. However your attitudes will prevent you from taking the assimilation scenario. So realistically it spans from gradual slide into irrelevance to extinction.

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  371. Ruby,

    I know your fears, beliefs and attitudes a bit too well.

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  372. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    The choice for blacks is between corrupt twits (democrats) and malicious assholes (republicans). I am not surprised that blacks prefer the former.

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  373. on August 31, 2009 at 12:30 am Virginia Gentleman

    Bragging about “gaming hundreds of scenarios” to threaten the civilization that probably can lay a credible claim to the all-time record for ruthlessness and all-out savagery in warfare, along with the greatest technological achievements?

    Merriam-Webster called; they want to talk to you about the definition of beta.

    OK, let’s turn this one to something less fantastical and perhaps more productive to close out the evening: Don Draper versus Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross—who’s the better cinematic personification of alpha, and why?

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  374. on August 31, 2009 at 12:33 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Loserfer,

    You claim that ‘your type’ (Asians) is planning to overthrow the West. But I see no Asians agreeing with you, or wanting anything to do with you.

    I do not care about human approval.

    That much is clear (and why you have never had a woman). But since no Asians share your goals, you can hardly claim to be a spokesperson for ‘what they are planning to do to the West’. More likely, Asians will silence you, as you are bad for Business.

    Asians have rejected you. Women have rejected you too. Now go do a Sodini and be done with it. Actually, I see you as more of a Cho than a Sodini.

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  375. Apeman,
    Yea; so? My point is in response to notions raised by Dana, that Blacks and other minority groups are somehow tearing Amerixan society apart. I am challenging this premise by noting voting participation on the part of Black folk specifically. Per that example, they ARE American and as such, are giving lifeblood to the most American of traditions and franchises.

    O

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  376. If we’re going to bring up race on this post about TV, then we may as well recall this classic gem:

    fun times.

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  377. Virginia Gentleman,

    We have not had a true nuclear or economic war in human history yet. It will be interesting to watch either unfold..

    Whites have achieved lasting victories ONLY against stone agers (natives, mesoamericans, aborigines, maoris, hawaiians, west africans, zulus etc). Asia has western dominance for some time, but no lasting victories (not even the Philippines).

    However at that time in human history, asians were inward looking and you had a decent demographic profile. Now the tables have turned and you have neither advantage, but are instead saddled with extra disadvantages. Enjoy the ride..

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  378. Steve Johnson 5:34 PM 8/28

    Are you kidding? You left out the finest demonstration of Nicky’s alphaness: his confrontation with the asshole from the bank. I’ve watched this so many times on YouTube I can recite the soliqiquy:

    “You know, I think you got the wrong impression of me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.

    For instance, tomorrow morning I’ll get up early, take a walk down over to the bank, walk in and see you, and if you don’t have my money for me I’ll . . . crack your fuckin’ head wide open in front of everybody in the bank.

    And just about the time I’m getting out of jail, hopefully, you’ll be coming out of your coma. And guess what? I’ll split your fuckin’ head open again.

    Because I’m fuckin’ stupid. I don’t give a fuck about jail. That’s my business. That’s what I do.”

    Joe Pesci rules!!

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  379. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    We prefer that you hang yourselves, and so far your actions have exceeded our expectations. Keep it up..

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  380. on August 31, 2009 at 12:40 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Obsidian,

    I am talking about an entirely different thing.

    Anyone who is a US citizen is ‘American’.

    I am talking about the unusual voting pattern of blacks that ties their racial identity with the Democratic party, something that no other race, income bracket, sexual orientation, or geography does.

    The sentence stands (which I know you agree with ) :

    Blacks are Democrats first and blacks second.

    It is whites who support Blackwell, Swann, Steele, Watts, and others. Not blacks.

    It is unheard of in any mature democracy for a group to vote 90-96% for one party. Unheard of.

    I know you won’t admit it here, but most blacks are not ‘thinking voters’, but rather ‘identity voters’. Your choice to buck the trend is effectively a tacit admission of that.

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  381. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    Your kind has a dug a very deep hole for itself (in more than one way) and is digging deeper. I am just enjoying the denials..

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  382. on August 31, 2009 at 12:43 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Bhetti,

    It took almost a minute before I could ascertain that this was real, rather than some Saturday Night Live parody.

    Sadly, such race extremism from the likes of Kanye West is virtually a parody of itself.

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  383. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    Given what people on this forum say about blacks, kanye west appears moderate.

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  384. My Response to Virginia Gentleman:

    Agreed.

    I’ve been considering the true definition of “Alpha Male” as it should be used in discussion of “Game”.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the concept of the Alpha Male is juxtaposed with the concept of the ‘Self-Actualized Male’ popular in humanistic psychology and classical Self-Improvement Theory.

    The idea being that the Alpha Male is ideal in relation to the standards of others while the Self-Actualized Male is ideal in relation to his own standards of fulfillment.

    The Alpha Male [on both the Male (Leadership/Security) and Female (Sexuality/Novelty) scales that the ‘In Mala Fide’ blog has theorized about] is Alpha through the subtle and overt consent of social dominance by those he interacts with.

    The Self-Actualized Male [example: fulfillment of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs] is so through self-satisfaction of the gamut of his wants and needs.

    Since many in the Roissysphere openly admit that their discussion of the Alpha Male only extends to the socio-sexual realm, it may be best to integrate discussion of the sociological and psychological characteristics and strategies of the Self-Actualized Male to give an all-encompassing legitimacy to the idea of adapting and re-prospering the role of men in our society.

    [Truthfully, I think this designation needs to be enacted due to many bloggers mixing Self-Help and Pick-Up concepts together inaccurately.]

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  385. Ruby,

    What happens when your house of cards (eCONomic system) collapses? Do you have an alternative, as alpha, beta etc are meaningless concepts if it comes to that..

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  386. My Response to Lucifer:

    In all honesty I partially agree with you.

    I study Existential Risk Assessment & Mitigation and I deeply suspect that Western Civilization is in an irreversible decline.

    Reinvigoration of the ENTIRETY of Western Civilization will be impossible. The absolute best that can be accomplished would seem to be to stymie the flow of Entropy [in it’s various and controversial forms], make our system more efficient, decentralized and less inter-dependent and encourage redundancy, preparedness and ruggedness — on all levels from the individual to the nation — as much as possible.

    I see “Game” as a worthwhile individual pursuit; It has improved my social life immeasurably in the short time I’ve implemented it.

    Make no mistake, though… The discussions I have here with Bio-Cons and So-Cons aren’t an admission of my own optimism and advocacy of their beliefs and proposals. Just simply a little entertaining internet chatter.

    Off this blog and the internet I’m a bit more sober and a lot more pessimistic about our civilization’s immediate prospects. I’m attempting to act, live and plan accordingly.

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  387. How To Survive The Apocalypse As Predicted By Your Resident Friendly Prophet Lucifer:
    — Guns and assorted weapons. It would help if you knew how to use them.
    — Stores of food and liquids.
    — A radio.
    — Canned laughter for humanity’s hubris.
    Be sure to have everything in fire-proof and water-proof bags.

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  388. Bhetti,

    A lot of white people died in Katrina too…. In fact I read that given the demographics of the affected population that Katrina was just as hard on whites as it was on blacks. Most of the deaths were elderly. If anything Katrina shows that nobody gives a fuck about the senile.

    Nevertheless, I mostly liked the coverage of Katrina even though some of it was bullshit because it showed people being REAL for a frickin’ change. There are problems with race and the media was shitty for the “looting”/”scavenging” divide.

    The one media org that sucked total ass on Katrina was the Economist. Normally it seems to have insight into the US, but in the week that followed Katrina, no doubt the home UK staff took over and issued some of the shittiest journalism I have ever seen. Total lack of insight on US federalism in an emergency.

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  389. Apeman,
    No, I wouldn’t accuse Blacks of being “thinkin voters” in the main, but then I wouldn’t accuse most Whites of that either. That’s just the nature of the beast, and why we would suddenly expect Black folk to be more “cerebral” than others is beyond me. Bottomline: Black folks vote their real or perceived interests, just like any other group, and that includes White folks, do. And that makes them undeniably American.

    O

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  390. Most of black america lives in a world where republican ideas won’t amount to shit. Given free enterprise opportunity most of them wouldn’t benefit much. The whole Jack Kemp “free enterprise zone” thing was silly… it’d just be more Koreans opening up payday loan shops.. I can’t blame blacks for being democrats.

    But I shouldn’t have to feel guilty and wanting to keep a sizeable portion of the shit I made and all liberals should be castrated and forced drink piss. When you start a company you quickly see how shithead commies got their prissy little hands in your pockets from day one.

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  391. Sofia

    xsplat,

    How do argue with someone like this:

    Reasoned argument

    You’re anorexic.

    Reasoned argument.

    There MUST be something wrong with you.

    Reasoned argument.

    Discussion over.

    Ya, its easier for men. Clearly you are embedded in social conditions.

    Poor you. You are inextricable from the fabric of you society.

    That must suck.

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  392. Ruby

    If you have the answer and are in agreeance, please do not even respond to this post. Just continue to discuss the issues originally outlined in this thread and ignore Lucifer outright.

    Ruby. Have you ever worn a suit to a business meeting? If so, that suit was slave wear. Only employees must wear slave wear.

    You words are slave wear. They are the business suit of academia. You talk with appropriate words. Why?

    Who are you talking to? Your boss? What are you dressing for? An appointment with an economic superiror?

    I like big words. But you don’t handle them well. You handle them like you are looking for your bosses to approve.

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  393. If so, that suit was slave wear. Only employees must wear slave wear.

    Girl #1 : wow gig, you look so well in a suit!
    Girl #2, #3 & #4: guys in suits are everything

    Look dude, suits RULE.

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  394. Lucifer

    I understand you. WHen Brazil lost to France in 2006 I dreamed about blacks and beurs burning Paris, I hoped that the French would be wiped out from the Earth in a Lebanon-style civil war and all things French would be obliterated.

    yet a month later I had forgotten that.

    It must be pretty hard to be permanently frustrated. I can´t imagine how it must feel to live month after month, year after year, in that state of rage that Henry´s goal left me

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  395. gig,

    Fortunately things are working out as I thought.. of course, some milestones get delayed by a few months.

    The possibility of the west’s demise was obvious to me years ago, but it was only after the late 90s, that it was locked in beyond reversal. Until then, there was some wiggle room. This is a perfect storm for many reasons beyond those you can understand. One can dodge a serious problem or two, but not > ten serious problems converging at once.

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  396. Saturday I went with four friends, one of whom happens to be black, to the poshest nightclub in town

    the kind of place where people are barred in the door if the hostess doesn´t find you “beautiful”. Guess what, three of us enter normally but the hostess doesn´t let two others enter, including the black guy.SO I played the race card. I asked for the manager and told him that our black friend was using exactly the same clothes i had used a few weeks before. SO there was no reason to keep him out barring his blackness. Magically, the hostess let the other two enter.

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  397. obsidian:

    You said:

    “dana

    “upholding Anglo-based American culture. Indeed, we see this notion thoroughly debunked in last year’s Presidential elections, where a virtual 100% voter turnout among African Americans was seen, and high turnout numbers were also reported wrt the Hispanic community, among others”

    i said: lol they turned out in record numbers in order to vote to OVERTURN anglo based american culture–not in order to UPHOLD it”

    OBSIDIAN: Proof, please?

    i responded:

    res ipsa loquitur–they voted for obama who is a transnational progressive who is actively attempting to dismantle the last shreds of the constitutional republic

    you responded with a bunch of unrelated gobbledygook and then:

    African Americans’ exercising their franchise, which they fought, marched, was beaten and some even did for, is the quintessence of what it means to BE American. I find Dana’s statements to be foolish on their face

    now, obsidian–we can all agree that voting is an aspect of anglo american culture–my point, which you as always failed to address was that coming out in record numbers to support an openly leftist candidate who is openly hostile to the entire anglo american project and openly embraces transnational progressivism and immediately set about implementing bizarre and alien political programs is NOT “upholding anglo based culture” it is *repudiating* it. there is more to the process of voting than casting a ballot, there is whom one chooses and why as well. if they all turned out to vote the sha’aria party or the nazi party they would be repudiating the american project as well.

    now, rational people may disagree with my premise but please point out *specifically* what is “foolish” about it? you believe nationalizing industry and socializing medicine is “anglo american culture”? it wasn’t when roosevelt did it and it isn’t NOW

    i don’t give a flying fuck that obama is black–i’d vote for president Camacho from idiocracy before i’d vote for some weenie christian conservative white douchebag who only cares about abortion. in fact i always assumed our 1st black president would be a high t ex sports star or military guy with classic african AMERICAN features and a conservative, not a half east african nilotic alien looking foreign leftist with zero relationship to the common american experience of ANY race common to the US.

    i am not the strawman you constructed obsidian, and the more you react to me as if i am the more foolish you look. you want thoughtless kneejerk “racists” go to vangaurd news network.

    now try not to get too hysterical in your response, i know it’s irritating expending all that emotion on an insensitive robotic presence.

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  398. on August 31, 2009 at 10:01 am Comment_Whatever

    Dana said:

    now try not to get too hysterical in your response, i know it’s irritating expending all that emotion on an insensitive robotic presence.

    I’d swear the blinking lights on the Dana-9000 seem… well smug. You wouldn’t think lights could blink smugly, but there you go.

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  399. gig overcomed:

    SO I played the race card. I asked for the manager and told him that our black friend was using exactly the same clothes i had used a few weeks before. SO there was no reason to keep him out barring his blackness. Magically, the hostess let the other two enter.

    How activist of you to bear the burden of Playing The Race Card for a powerless, reticent black – cowered by their lack of supportive organizations.

    Blacks need all the help they can get as they continually struggle to break the oppressive chains of slavery so apparent today. You do whites proud, repaying The Greatest Debt. Whites owe blacks lifegiving, crucial velvet-rope equality for the ceaseless work blacks did in combating the effects of reverse discrimination in Affirmative Action.

    With your help, they will overcome.

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  400. Roissy & others, I’m looking for some advice. Here’s my situation:

    I was in a three and a half year relationship which ended somewhat mutually; afterwards I wanted her back, and pursued her (which pushed her away) to the point where it was final, done. I havn’t talked to her in a couple of months, but I still think about her all the time (one-itis). We broke up almost 11 months ago…I’ve gone on a lot of dates trying to get over her but havn’t found anyone I really connected with. I will keep trying, of course, and I won’t let myself become bitter & jaded the way a lot of people become.

    Looking back, I realize now that the reason we broke up was because I made so many beta mistakes. I know the reason she got with me in the first place was because she mistakingly thought I was alpha…it was just an illusion though.

    So, I’m not sure what to do – I’m still getting out there and trying to find another girl, but meanwhile every time a date doesn’t go well or life doesn’t go well, I invariably think about her. I tell myself I shouldn’t love someone if they don’t love me back, but that’s not really helping (because I don’t honestly believe it).

    I’m even thinking about contacting her again, even though she made it clear to me she didn’t want to get back together (at least right now…they always leave themselves a window). I know it won’t be good for me though because she knows how I feel, she lives close by, and if she missed me and wanted to get together with me she would call me.

    Any insight of advice would be really helpful…

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  401. Oh, and I don’t know how relevant it is, but most of our relationship was long distance.

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  402. on August 31, 2009 at 12:42 pm Steve Johnson

    JC,

    GOFTW.

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  403. Steve,
    I’m trying. Looking at myself objectively, I don’t consider myself all that attractive – I’m 5’8, receding hairline, and I’m not into music or clubs (bars, occasionally). I find it very difficult to talk to fun-loving sluts; I’ve traditionally gotten along with girls who don’t put out easily.

    My positives are that I’m outgoing, intelligent (I’m in a very solid law school), sensitive (or is this a negative?), and I have a positive attitude.

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  404. JC – at least you know that contacting her will be a bad thing and she is DEAD to you as far as any possible future LTR…

    Oneitis is a beta disease with a strong neuro-endocrine component, so the desire to contact her may be irresistable. These two mental tricks (inner game) may help you help her stay dead to you:

    1) picture your old man / grandpa / alpha buddy / someone you respect / the entire city of DC / seeing your love-sick self calling her meekly and pleading with her to take you back. Picture your mewlings projected on Jerry Jones’s new arena jumbotron, to the delight of thousands, and then replayed on Youtube for millions.

    2) alternately, picture your conversation with her, and her telling you all kinds of nice things, how she treasures your time together, how you are special to her and always will be… and maybe one day you two will be in each others’ arms again… and then picture her laughing her ass off later with her girlfriends about what a tool you are, and after that, her hosting a large, hairy male between her thighs, still laughing about you.

    So — she is dead to you. Erase her email and phone number. if she calls you (to toy with you), ignore her calls. Enjoy the mini-cruelty you inflict on her as you ignore her.

    Remember — she is laughing at you. You don’t want her back.

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  405. on August 31, 2009 at 1:03 pm Steve Johnson

    The moral of GOFTW isn’t (just) that you’ll find it easier to get over the one woman after you’ve done it. It’s that if you can’t do it, then the one you pine for doesn’t want you for the same reason.

    There’s no shortcut. Approach, escalate, isolate, close. Expect to have failures at every step.

    Good luck man.

    PS Sensitive is very definitely a negative. Sensitive, stripped of value judgments, basically means you respond whenever someone else shows extreme emotion. Ie, you’re reactive, ie, you fail shit tests all the time. Women need to be sensitive so they can care for infants. Men need to be non-reactive so they can lead women.

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  406. You wanna know how cruel girls who dumped you can be? I once had a fling with a girl who had a lovesick ex-boyfriend. Once when she and I were frolicking, he called. I laughed and told her to pick up the phone and talk to him for kicks. She said “somewhere in my heart I still love you” to him with my schlong in her mouth.

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  407. JC

    All i can say is that you need to try new things, every guy that hasnt been immediately successful with women in his life goes through a phase of learning. You may even need to suspend your disbelief at some of the things that will work with women, sluts especially.

    True story. I once pulled my dick out on a young 18 year old lady at college and claimed that it was 9 inches…..she fucking loved it and i procceeded to bang her multiple times.

    My penis is actually far closer to average size, but that didnt stop her sucking it and not once questioning me on my overblown claims…sometimes it isnt what you say that matters, its how you say it.

    Remove the pedestal and realise that a lot of women are horny and after some some action, if you don’t put your dick into the equation some else will.

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  408. I hear what you guys are saying, and I’m going to keep trying and failing until I succeed.

    PA – we broke up because I was beta, but I havn’t been able to quash the hopes that there is a possibility for a LTR, that I’ll have successes in my life that will make me more attractive, and that she will have failures as far as relationships go and want me back down the road once she realizes what she took for granted. Is this unheard of? It would be stabilizing for me if I could kill this hope off once and for all, but I havn’t been able to so far.

    Oh, and that story you told is horrifying. I guess you’re alpha and good looking, lots of confidence?

    BTW – my ex a 9 physically, my first true love, and I didn’t consider her out of my league. We’re both Jewish. She made me wait a long, long time for sex.

    Steve – I think you’re right that sensitivity can be a negative in the context you describe. It also means I can pick up on other’s feelings very easily… And you’re also right that if I can’t find GOFTW then my ex won’t want me back for the same reason.

    Drogba – funny story, but boasting like that hasn’t been my style or forte…

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  409. “Drogba – funny story, but boasting like that hasn’t been my style or forte…”

    understand where you’re coming from, it wasn’t my style or forte until i did it, and i haven’t done it since. Although i do like exposing myself i usually make the commentary more believable.

    There is a time, a place and a woman for everything. The tactics and players can change….but the game stays the same. Stop worrying about the right thing to do, and try EVERYTHING.

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  410. First you say:

    Steve,
    I’m trying. Looking at myself objectively, I don’t consider myself all that attractive – I’m 5′8, receding hairline, and I’m not into music or clubs (bars, occasionally). I find it very difficult to talk to fun-loving sluts; I’ve traditionally gotten along with girls who don’t put out easily.

    Then you say:

    I have a positive attitude.

    To the average woman, you don’t have a positive attitude. Ask the average woman to read your first paragraph and ask if the author has an attractive, positive attitude and I’ll bet she’ll say no.

    Work on that. The real reason you have oneitis so bad for this past girl is because you deep down don’t believe you’re good enough to pull another one of similar or better quality. It’s not about how great she is, it’s about how low you view yourself and your future pussy prospects. Focus on latter, not former.

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  411. we broke up because I was beta, but I havn’t been able to quash the hopes that there is a possibility for a LTR,

    My first introduction to game was via Doc Love. At the time, I had a case of mewling oneitis for a girl who dumped me for my post-pickup betatude. I was so bad off, I was questioning the value of my life. And then the good Doc’s comment hit me and stayed with me: “when it’s over, it’s over.”

    Remember, for you to be happy in an LTR, she has to treat you well. And she will treat you well only if she respects you and wants you betweenehr legs. Does any girl respect and want the guy she dumped?

    that I’ll have successes in my life that will make me more attractive,

    If you mean successes careerwise and such, it’s only good indirectly, insofar as making you more relaxed and confident. A woman’s reptile brain cares nothing for your career and success, except as gold digger bait.

    and that she will have failures as far as relationships go and want me back down the road once she realizes what she took for granted. Is this unheard of?

    Sorry, that’s a fairy tale.

    There is one way of gettng a girl back while keeping your dignity. Get har back as a f*ck buddy, and treat her like shit. And never promote her to LTR/wife status.

    But you won’t pull this off. As soon as you hear her voice on the telephone, you will melt into a puddle of beta. Let her go. She bleeds once a month like any other female.

    Remember: a girl is an interchangeable piece of meat. Unless she loves you, in which case she is special and worthy of your love.

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  412. Joe, you write: “Work on that. The real reason you have oneitis so bad for this past girl is because you deep down don’t believe you’re good enough to pull another one of similar or better quality. It’s not about how great she is, it’s about how low you view yourself and your future pussy prospects. Focus on latter, not former.” This is a strong insight. My dates with women post-relationship have not given me confidence in this regard, either. Discovering Roissy’s website is helpful, but I havn’t translated that to real world results yet. Until I have sexual success with quality women, my view of myself won’t change.

    Re: having a positive mentality, I meant it in terms of fighting through difficulties and coming out stronger on the other end. I’ll get through this, I’m just not sure how yet. You’re right, though, in that I’m not confident/positive with my ability to attract quality women.

    PA writes: “Remember: a girl is an interchangeable piece of meat. Unless she loves you, in which case she is special and worthy of your love.” I should staple this to my forehead. I still *feel* that she’s special, but I need to get over it somehow. And I guess the solution is that I need to keep plugging away at women until I have successes in order to do so.

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  413. JC-

    Was that your first serious relationship? surely you can remember back to a time when you were single when you were happier than when you were with her, beta actions are not the actions of a happy man or a man who is in control of his emotions or life.

    You need to steer clear of relationships until you have enough game, self belief and self control to deal with a womans jealousy and insecurity and the insecurity they can inspire in you. Also you’d do well to remember that most women will not make you happy, they will not make your life more convenient, most of them will make your life a drag…. until you find one that actually improves your quality of life, stay single. There are other ways to get that thing that will improve your life: Pussy.

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  414. Drogba: yes, it was my first serious relationship. I’m 25 now, we met when I was 20. Not much success with women beforehand, either, and as I said, most of our relationship was long distance. Although to be fair, I was pretty miserable before we met, and I put on the illusion that I was alpha to get her. I’m much happier now than I was before she and I met, but I still obviously have a ways to go.

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  415. on August 31, 2009 at 1:55 pm Cannon's Canon

    I have a friend who was Jewish… his name was JC.

    Seriously though, I agree with PA’s fatalism here. I’d suggest finding a sarge partner for moral support and critical self-assessment. Don’t mistake this for a mere “drinking buddy,” and don’t listen to your female friends, who will prop you up instead of offering any tangible suggestions.

    Don’t dwell on your height or hairline as negatives, but don’t be afraid to hear that you’re a drab dresser or that you’re out of shape. You can always improve somewhere, and stepping your game up can be a steep confidence boost.

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  416. “You wanna know how cruel girls who dumped you can be? I once had a fling with a girl who had a lovesick ex-boyfriend. Once when she and I were frolicking, he called. I laughed and told her to pick up the phone and talk to him for kicks. She said “somewhere in my heart I still love you” to him with my schlong in her mouth.”……………

    Sex and love are two distinct things, PA. She could have sex with you and simultaneously still love him. There is no contradiction.

    [editor: true of whores, and most men, not most women. the typical woman would not be able to suck a man’s cock while professing her sincere love for another man.]

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  417. BMM: what Roissy said. She said she “loved” him to amuse me.

    As he was babbling to her on the phone (I could hear him through the loudish receiver) she was sucking me off with a delicious smile of cruelty on her face, removing The Johnson from her mouth only when it was her turn to say something. When she said she “loved him,” she didn’t even bother removing it. I guess he assumed she was eating something.

    (I present this anecdote to help misguided young lads like I once was, who are dumped by a woman yet still think she’s “special” and deep down inside still loves him.)

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  418. “[editor: true of whores, and most men, not most women. the typical woman would not be able to suck a man’s cock while professing her sincere love for another man.]”
    ……..

    So then you think *most* American women these days are whores, I assume.

    [editor: you assume wrong. i have met no women, foreign or american, who would pick up the phone and tell the man they love how much they love them while sucking my cock, if it wasn’t a cruel joke. I have met few women, in fact, who would even contemplate cheating on a man they *sincerely* loved. i don’t know what circle of women you travel with, but the typical woman in love doesn’t share her mouth with the cocks of men who are not her lover.]

    Like Drogba said, “Remove the pedestal and realise that a lot of women are horny and after some some action, if you don’t put your dick into the equation someone else will.”

    ……………. Remove the pedastal.

    PA, the girl you were with was probably trying to IMPRESS YOU, by the sound of it.

    There seems to be a competition between men and women these days as to who can be the “baddest” sexually.

    She was probably trying to show off to you how emotionally detached she can be, both from you AND him.

    Like attracts like.

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  419. She was probably trying to show off to you how emotionally detached she can be, both from you AND him.

    Possibly. This was when we just started dating. And yet, we were together for about a year, during which time she showed me a lot of emotional commitment (staying up all night and going to work on no sleep to keep my spirits up when I was doing my all-nighter college term papers, etc).

    This was 10 years ago when we were both 27 and she felt her clock ticking and gave me a marriage ultimatum, to which I said “no” and rode off into the sunset.

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  420. on August 31, 2009 at 4:13 pm Willard Libby

    gig

    Saturday I went with four friends, one of whom happens to be black,

    Amazing how things like that just happen.

    to the poshest nightclub in town

    the kind of place where people are barred in the door if the hostess doesn´t find you “beautiful”. Guess what, three of us enter normally but the hostess doesn´t let two others enter, including the black guy.SO I played the race card. I asked for the manager and told him that our black friend was using exactly the same clothes i had used a few weeks before. SO there was no reason to keep him out barring his blackness. Magically, the hostess let the other two enter.

    Cute story. Too bad it only happened in your fantasy.

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  421. Ruby

    The reason being that the hegemony of Western European values within modern Western Civilization has given those national identities that are subsumed under the label of “white” the choice and freedom to still be affiliated with their native culture or another culture.

    Hogwash.

    The reason why is that it scares leftists/liberals, who fear that it could result in some or what the really fear is a lot of rolling back of their multicultural project.

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  422. Here’s a good one regarding badboys and how BATSHIT INSANE western women are … etc.

    @ turner: I’m speechless, dude. This blows my circuitry.

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  423. GNP wrote Chic Noir says you are a sellout.

    MU, you know I didn’t write that. GNP is using a little divide and conquer but it’s all good.

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  424. Willard

    considering the tone of my posts here, I am not exactly courting the favor of blacks.

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  425. “The reason being that the hegemony of Western European values within modern Western Civilization has given those national identities that are subsumed under the label of “white” the choice and freedom to still be affiliated with their native culture or another culture.”…………………

    What we consider “left” in USA is “right” in Western Europe.

    Their concept of “left” would be comparable maybe to our ultra-radical.

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  426. Remember: a girl is an interchangeable piece of meat.

    I don’t know. I don’t think I could switch Wellesley Queen and Athena…

    [editor: the first decent looking woman to fuck you is going to absolutely own your soul.]

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  427. What we consider “left” in USA is “right” in Western Europe

    BS

    Berlusconi would be ousted from the Republican Party in no time. The Lega Nord would be proscribed in America. Jean Marie Le Pen would be impossible in America.

    Vladimir Putin and his gay-spanking goons would never exist in America.

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  428. [editor: the first decent looking woman to fuck you is going to absolutely own your soul.]

    I don’t see why that would happen. Your statement implies the pretence of actual sex with a decent looking woman, which we know will never happen.* Of course, thanks to your words of wisdom and my stubbornness, it’s highly unlikely that a woman may own my soul from sex. Hugs, in contrast, are the window to my heart and its loyalties.

    This is all pointless since I sold my soul to the Devil for straight As in high school.

    *Oddly, my dad presumed the same thing. Some pretty girl would “molest” me, and I’d end up being the scared little bitch, loyal to the end. Oddly, the Mistress despite the nails never could compete with the Queen…

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  429. David Alexander you are a freak. That anyone would actually think this shit in their mind is quite sad, the fact that you type it out again and again is well quite disturbing.

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  430. David Alexander you are a freak.

    David Alexander was born a freak.
    David Alexander is a freak.
    David Alexander will die a freak and nothing will change that.

    To be disturbed is only one of two emotions most have when meeting me. The other is hatred toward me.

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  431. well dave on a more cheerful note. Check out these cool trams around where i live.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croydon_Tramlink

    http://www.croydon-tramlink.co.uk/

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  432. Roissy,

    “Obtaining the inaugural bang on her turf.”

    Could you enlighten us to why this is a mistake?

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  433. You guys don’t like this movie because it’s a woman doing exactly what you guys do to women, only to a guy.

    She is very clear with him. She says she doesn’t want a relationship; she just wants to have “fun” with him. He, on the other hand, deludes himself into thinking that he is more than just a friend with benefits.

    He is basically the woman in this situation. He keeps nagging her about making it “official”. He keeps trying to push more domestic stuff. He falls for the old “I’ve never told anyone this” line. Come on. She is a classic example of a girl with game, except that she horribly disappoints me at the end by getting married. Seriously, I felt that was the least realistic part of the movie.

    Personally, I think you guys ought to see what sort of fallout you leave behind you when you use girls like tissue. Because there are women out there who do the same thing to guys, and probably most of you have dealt with a woman like this so are now hoping to become one yourself.

    Honestly? From what I’ve been reading, most “betas” are just passive-aggressive assholes. “Alphas” according to your definition, are just honest assholes. And I think that most people would rather deal with someone who actually is up front and honest than someone who pretends to be a “friend” when they just really want to get into your pants. Because most intelligent women can smell that a mile away and learn that if they just keep leading said passive aggressive man on, that they can get a WHOLE LOT MORE out of him because he is being deceitful and by making him think that it will work, she is only drawing out his delusional feelings.

    I’ve been this way with tons of people. Upfront, honest, direct. Men and women always seem to think that I just can’t be telling them the truth. That I just can’t be just wanting to be friends with them. Just because I want you to come with me to do something fun doesn’t mean you’re special, and yet by simply saying such a thing, they don’t believe you; think they’re special anyway.

    You see, sex alone is really not what women want. They *do* want excitement. But any woman with any amount of dominance to her also wants to be worshiped, and that’s not possible with just one guy around. The true alpha female is, in my opinion, bisexual because she would not only want males but also females in her harem; people that she picks with care to answer only to her and to only have sex within the group; even if she gets first pick. Sure, she might decide to pair off with a specific male to be her primary, but she would consider all other females and males in her harem to be within her limits of taking.

    Sex is really more than fucking. It’s anticipating. It’s creating desire. It’s also being safe enough to know that you’re not going to have your genitals fall off if you go outside your primary relationship.

    And for the true alpha woman, there is no room in her life for passive-aggressive possessive males who think that they have “a lot to offer” when they’re really just playing stereotypical-50’s-breadwinner bullshit and they’re really not doing what makes them happy in life-they’re looking for said alpha female to “fulfill them” as though it’s the alpha’s job.

    You’ll notice that at the end of the movie, he decides to finally step out of that stupid comfortable idea that a man is only as good as his paycheck. He takes risks to make his life something that he loves. If he had only been less of a possessive douche bag, he might have even had Summer stick around to teach him more about what he needed to do to blossom into a stronger person. He could have been one of “her people” but instead, he made himself into a whiny wannabe who set off major controlling alarm bells (any dominant woman knows that a man who wants to spend 100% of his time around her is either trying to control her or is trying to smother her-regardless of whether he consciously is trying to do this).

    You silly men. Thinking that your looks and your paycheck is enough to make your bullshit even remotely attractive and to make any remotely intelligent dominant women even remotely willing to deal with said behavior. You could learn so much if you didn’t try the “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” mentality towards asshole sharks. But then again, that’s why the true alpha females only gets her guys when they’re virgins, young enough not to have been fucked up by some stupid woman, and otherwise willing to be taught and taken in. The true dominant woman wants a man she can train, who will delight and surprise her, but who will always be hers.

    The sad thing is that too many women try to talk the talk of the dominant woman, only to be exposed as flighty insecure bitches with the same damn delusional fake-50’s-leave-it-to-beaver gender role idolatry. It honestly does not surprise me that so many men have decided that their passive-aggressive misogyny might as well become aggressive-aggressive misogyny because it at least produces results with the majority of dumb hot broads out there. Well, good show! Then at least you disqualify yourself so much easier! And women are just as bad if not worse. Their passive aggressive behaviors are so exhausting to deal with; it’s all I can do not to beat them across the face and drag them back to the cave for some “reprogramming.” No, you are nowhere near as witty and attractive as you think. No, you are not a true alpha; you’re just hoping to find someone who will see through your charade and bitchslap you back to your submissive place where (you secretly believe) you belong.

    And people wonder why I reject over 80% of humanity outright.

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  434. i’m sure humanity is clamoring for you

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  435. Leave it to Dana to provide the zingy one-liner in response to a 5000 word tract.

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  436. this is late, but I wanted to see the movie for my lust for Zooey (and her sister, but Bones isn’t in the film). But I always read reviews of films—like checking a products rep before buying—and immediately avoided, because it sounded exactly like the movie you saw.

    Do we really need a moive warping the fragile young male mind into thinking that you should just take in the ass this badly, because “love works out?” (See the ending).

    And I’ve also lost any (slight) pedestaling I might have not done for Zooey once I read this tidbit in a review: she’s marrying a rock musician.

    Chicks are skanks for assholes.

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  437. sofia, one line is all oni deserves.

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  438. on September 5, 2009 at 3:49 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””on August 31, 2009 at 3:43 pm PA
    BMM: what Roissy said. She said she “loved” him to amuse me.

    As he was babbling to her on the phone (I could hear him through the loudish receiver) she was sucking me off with a delicious smile of cruelty on her face, removing The Johnson from her mouth only when it was her turn to say something. When she said she “loved him,” she didn’t even bother removing it. I guess he assumed she was eating something.

    (I present this anecdote to help misguided young lads like I once was, who are dumped by a woman yet still think she’s “special” and deep down inside still loves him.)”””””””””””””’

    Dam there is one tear.

    Least me ex wife didn’t do that shit to me. I thought the no sex for 6 months was bad but now I think it was a favor.

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  439. […] as the season she’s named for, and she never was that much into Tom. Being a complete beta, he is, on the other hand, obsessed with […]

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  440. […] 3. This is a more a general one throughout the movie: He overlooks all the ref flags relating to her. He only focuses on the positives and builds her up in his head. This gives her the upper hand. In modern society, men need to keep the upper hand. In fact, with all the power women have in their daily lives now, women are especially attracted to men that can make them feel controlled; it is rare and exciting for women to be with someone they view as more powerful than they are. Here, he never teases her, but only compliments her. He never demonstrates his higher value, and never reminds to himself her lower value. RESPONSE: She loses interest in him and breaks up him with him. To rub it in, she tells him he is still her best friend. Dagger. When a girl views you as a best friend but no longer gets wet for you, it is because she has lost respect for you as a man. Painful, yet true. -For ideas on making sure to view red flags, check HERE. -For a full rundown of how beta Tom is, check HERE. […]

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  441. See Mesrine, guys. THAT is how to treat women.

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  442. I think my favorite part of this blog is the colorful choice of phrases used to link to other posts.

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  443. […] the theater was filled with SWPL women probably on a bender from Glee house parties, don’t mistake this film for a chick flic. There’s too much truth told in the portrayal of a relationship hitting the skids for this to […]

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  444. […] the theater was filled with SWPL women probably on a bender fromGlee house parties, don’t mistake this film for a chick flic. There’s too much truth told in the portrayal of a relationship hitting the skids for this to be […]

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  445. Just saw this movie on the plane. It really is a MUST SEE from a game/learning perspective.

    The Tom character is super beta. The scene where he asks about the status of the relationship.

    The scene where she says she’s not looking for anything serious and he actually thinks he can change her.

    The scene in Ikea where she wants him to kiss her and he gets up and starts clowning around.

    The scene where he loses it and yells that they’re a “couple”…and storms out.

    Guys learning game, please take note.

    In every scene he asks “So what do you want to do?” Instead of suggesting an idea.

    Also the scenes where he suddenly starts to be the smartest guy in the room at work because his inner game is solid contrasted with his days of wandering around in his pyjamas and lounging in bed in the fetal position depressed.

    They all illustrate the whole point of game: you decide the frame.

    She games him. He never games her. Her boredom with him after a period of time is a cautionary tale.

    The story about how she meets her husband—he comes up and asks her what she’s reading. The direct approach.

    Even the final scene where she holds his hand and he sits there like a big pussy instead of moving in for the kiss or reacting to the kino by escalating are all scenes from my own life before understanding game.

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  446. I’m man enough to admit I was Beta, good looking chap, proud to be taken by women, they played me, I wasn’t like that all time, there was a period where I was a kind of bad ass at school.
    But environment and not being that independent, transformed me into a Beta, I realized that crap until I decided to put all of myself together. When I saw This fucking movie, was with the bitch broke my heart in pieces, she was into me, I let things driven out of my control, and I lost. A year later I realized how important is to take responsibility for yourself, which is very attractive to emotionally mature women, Now I pick up who I want, I don’t let them play with me. The guy in this movie Tom, was a loser, coz he couldn’t be who he meant to be, an architecture. He didn’t have other women in life, and Summer was a taught one that reminded him, she didn’t want nothing serious (in other words, you don’t look the type I would fall for… let’s play for a little though ) that bitch was taught, but you can’t blame it for that, her environment made her who she was.

    How stop being a beta like Tom, is not about to fake your personality, it’s first find your positives n negatives, work on your own self esteem, change your believes, as you can change your body by working out and drinking water, you can train your mind to slowly be a leader, care about your purpose and not women. Women comes in second role, at once you understand that, your interactions with them will be normal and you’ll lead them to do what you want, if they wouldn’t. fuck them, you want who wants the best of you, not take compassion for the slack version of yours.

    You’ll stop being Tom by be aware of yourself more, being a men is not only watching UFC, which I lovee but yeah whatever, it’s not putting much importance on things, it’s being cool and have initialize on things.
    Sports, good healthy life, will keep you away of shit as movies by the way

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