Obama’s Women

Commenter Just Looking sent me this jpeg. Take a look.

obaby

After I suppressed my vomit reflex, I analyzed this pathetic photo in detail. It really says so much, and none of it good. I believe this photo encapsulates everything that has gone wrong with America, and with modern Western civilization.

First, we have an aging SWPL mother-to-be. Judging by the crows’ feet, bad skin tone, and sloppy slabs of fat rolls around her hips, she looks to be about 40. If she is younger than that, then she hasn’t aged well. Her pregnancy was likely the result of many visits to fertility clinics and untold numbers of tears. She probably had to abort three Downs fetuses before getting a clean bill of viability from the amniocentesis.

Next, we see that she is a fervent Obama supporter. So fervent, in fact, that she had Obama’s logo (seed) painted on (implanted in) her belly (womb). She is in deep, deep love with Obama. So deep, that I’m positive she would happily cheat on her husband/boyfriend/cohabitator/sperm donor to give Obama the thrill of pregnancy sex, and wouldn’t worry at all about his thrusting presidential penis banging a hole in the head of her unborn child. She would cum harder with Obama in one orgasm than in all the orgasms combined she has had fucking her alpha flings in her 20s and making soft love with her grateful beta provider chumps in her 30s. She would let Obama film it and would beg him to call her fetus “Baby Barack” while he was pumping her.

“That’s right, bitch. You like that right there, don’t you? Yeeeeah, you do. Where dat man of yours? Not here! Where? NOT. HERE. BITCH! I’m gonna let this kid know who’s boss. BAM! Fuck yeeeeeah, just like that, all up in his happy home. Who knockin’ at yo door, baby barack? Who knockin’? I’ll tell you who. The man you wish was your daddy. Lick the tip when I’m in there.”

Finally, we have to wonder about the man (and I use the term in the loosest possible way) in this woman’s life. Only a supreme castrati of cosmically immense betatude would accede to the mother of his child slapping an Obama “O” on her distended belly. It’s basically admitting his lower status. It’s saying “Yes, I know you would fuck Obama if he snapped his fingers, and then laugh in my face about it afterwards. And that you subconsciously desire our baby was his instead. Shall I leave my shriveled balls on the nightstand, or just feed them to the goldfish?”

What makes this truly tragically hilarious is that the lesser beta probably *encouraged* her to do this. I bet he came up with the idea and painted it himself, while sipping his organic pig’s scrotum tea for artistic inspiration. Beta males like this vote against their own interest. They vote for candidates, typically liberal Democrats, who would assure their irrelevancy. Alpha males vote libertarian or areligious conservative, preferably paleo-.

An alpha father of her child would let nothing near his woman’s pregnant belly except his own hands and satisfied smile.

All this points up what a disaster it has been for the country since women got the right to vote. The slow, steady implosion of the greatest nation in the history of the world started with suffrage. People think my blog is satiric, but I am dead serious. The facts speak for themselves. When women cast the majority of votes, and especially when a growing number of those female voters are longtime SINGLE women, the country eventually devolves from a center-right powerhouse of beta organized Protestant work ethic and Enlightenment ideals of ceaseless discovery into a limp-wristed, creatively exhausted, kowtowed, leftist, indebted nanny state, and then, in time, is overrun by less faggy patriarchal foes.

In this election, unmarried women voted for Obama by a 70 to 29 percent margin.

“if not for the overwhelming support of unmarried women, John McCain would have won the women’s vote and with it, the White House.”

Unmarried, alpha-chasing urban sluts are the force driving the United States of America to the brink of self-immolation. I thank this new sexually liberated femicentric culture for affording me a bounty of pussy, but you will never catch me footing the bill for one of these aging Whole Foods harpies. And you can bet I would see to it that any woman I’m dating and fucking would not plaster a political candidate’s logo on her body.

There is only one lever she should pull, and that is my cock.





Comments


  1. Now you’re just repetitive and boring.

    … says the anti-piddling paranoia gnp guy.

    ps: you’re free to leave whenever you like.

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  2. She is in deep, deep love with Obama. So deep, that I’m positive she would happily cheat on her husband/boyfriend/cohabitator/sperm donor to give Obama the thrill of pregnancy sex, and wouldn’t worry at all about his thrusting presidential penis banging a hole in the head of her unborn child.

    “Cheat?” Are you joking? She wouldn’t have to cheat. Her surely beta SWPL Colbert-loving husband would probably offer her up to Obama to bang and happily watch and whack off in a corner like in a cuckolding video. He’d probably rank it as the best day of his life.

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  3. The photo shows a wedding band. What a sorry husband she must have.

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  4. I merely make the occasional brief comment regarding my fetishes. That’s quite different than writing lengthy blog postings about the same old stuff over and over.

    Reading this blog is like driving past a particularly nasty wreck. You know you shouldn’t look, but you can’t help doing so.

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  5. on November 6, 2008 at 5:48 pm Cain and Able

    Hahahahahaha. Enough said.

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  6. on November 6, 2008 at 5:50 pm Velvetgunther

    I was going to say who knows if there’s even a man in her life, maybe the pregnancy is the result of her sleeping with the enitre basketball team in her hometown and we could see her on maury povich in a year….but then PA pointed out the wedding band…well, I agree, a very sorry husband

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  7. on November 6, 2008 at 5:52 pm Velvetgunther

    Come on Peter, relax….when you’re not obsessed with GNP you usually do have interesting things to say

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  8. I’ve always felt a degree of repulsion for far-lefite chicks, even if they weren’t bad looking. Something about them registered to me as unclean on the subconscious level.

    There is nothing hotter than a good, clean, smart, conservative, Christian girl.

    If you think I’m odd in having this impression, just contrast in your mind the sexy vibes our Clio gives (with apologies, o Tupac’s and Patrick’s muse) vs. say, Dizzy.

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  9. on November 6, 2008 at 5:55 pm Velvetgunther

    Yep I agree, conservative women are usually far classier, whatever their religion may be

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  10. wow…all of Roissy’s obsessions combine in one massive explosion of bile.

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  11. Back when women first got the vote, and marriage was strong, women voted more conservative than men. To this day, married women vote as conservative as their husbands. It is single women, not women in general, that are destroying our politics and culture.

    Voting should be restricted to married people with kids who are net taxpayers.

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  12. on November 6, 2008 at 6:00 pm Velvetgunther

    Thursday..yes, it’s quite unfortunate to say that we can’t restrict voting to only smart, high IQ, college educated people…look how they’ve turned out

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  13. Gay couples wear wedding bands.

    My first impression was that she is a lesbian. Call it female intuition.

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  14. 14 JaJaJa: that would make sense.

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  15. Love the double-entendre of the Ogirl above have sex with Obama and saying “Obaby!”

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  16. This would be equally disgusting if it was a John McCain logo or a giant W.

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  17. Voting should be restricted to married people with kids who are net taxpayers.

    Most families with children are net tax consumers, not taxpayers, due to the cost of public schools.

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  18. on November 6, 2008 at 6:13 pm Velvetgunther

    Animus…but it isn’t

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  19. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the woman is a McCain supporter, who engaged in this stunt as a way of satirizing the zealousness of some Obama people.

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  20. On the other hand, most families with children are net taxpayers, due to the cost they incur in raising future workers and taxpayers.

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  21. on November 6, 2008 at 6:16 pm Velvetgunther

    That’s probably stretching it

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  22. on November 6, 2008 at 6:17 pm Velvetgunther

    That comment was meant at Peter 20

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  23. Peter 20 – highly unlikely. For 99.9% of people, carrying a child is too personal to use it as a political goof.

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  24. on November 6, 2008 at 6:18 pm Michael Foody

    You’re a hedgehog. You’ve discovered a single important truth, you see that this insight of yours is not common. You then go and apply it to every problem. Some systems are too complex with such reductionist explanations. Gender/ethnic dynamics are not the sole engine of all human endeavor. Viewing everything through this lens necessarily gives an inaccurate picture of the world. You’re like the pious man who prays for a son and then his wife gets pregnant and this is evidence of god’s love. Then his son is born with down’s syndrome and this is a test from god and proof of god’s love. You both already have the conclusion. The evidence is secondary.

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  25. on November 6, 2008 at 6:22 pm Cain and Able

    Damn! Unmarried women voted 70 to 29 percent for Obama over McCain? They truly do want to FUCK him. I am guessing some of them must have moaned “Obama” (with an emphasis on the “O”)while fuck-climaxing with their lesser mates.

    Their pussies must have dripped a gallon when he won the election.

    Scarlett Johannson is to Obama what Marilyn Monroe was to JFK.

    Enough said.

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  26. Scarlett Johannson is to Obama what Marilyn Monroe was to JFK.

    Only if he fucks her.

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  27. on November 6, 2008 at 6:25 pm Velvetgunther

    Yeah, I used to like Scarlett Johansson…she is quite hot and a good actress……i had no idea she was up to all this

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  28. on November 6, 2008 at 6:32 pm Cain and Able

    @27 T.Aka Ricky Raw.

    What makes you think Obama hasnt fucked Scarlett Johannson? Who knows?

    With statements like “My heart belongs to Obama”… ..“i have a crush on Obama” while being engaged to Ryan Reynolds at the same time.

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  29. “Alpha males vote libertarian or areligious conservative, preferably paleo-“? What the fuck? Have you ever met an actual libertarian? There’s a good reason why libertarianism and autism are seen as going hand in hand, you know.

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  30. on November 6, 2008 at 6:34 pm Cain and Able

    @27 T. Aka Ricky raw

    What makes you think Obama hasnt fucked Scarlett Johannson? Who knows?

    She goes around, while engaged to Ryan Reynolds, making statements like “my heard belongs to Obama”….” i have a crush on obama”…etc.

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  31. On the other hand, most families with children are net taxpayers, due to the cost they incur in raising future workers and taxpayers.

    Yes, that is true, but for the time being they are net tax consumers. In any event it’s all irrelevant, as the idea of limiting voting rights to taxpayers is simply not going to happen.

    Peter 20 – highly unlikely. For 99.9% of people, carrying a child is too personal to use it as a political goof.

    Well, maybe, but I can’t entirely dismiss the possibility.

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  32. @ 30: Cain and Able

    I’m not saying he hasn’t fucked her. He well may have. I’m just saying I wouldn’t rush to call her the Marilyn to his JFK until we know for sure.

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  33. an impressive paint job nonetheless. he went to the care of using a french curve and masking tape.

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  34. Unfortunately @29 libertarians are the only true descendants of the Founding Fathers. McPalin-fascism lost the election to Obama-socialism. We are maybe two to three steps away from Nazism-lite if Obama forms the Civilian Nationals Security force and Obama Youth corps.

    Libertarians are almost correct on all political matters except foreign policy because they don’t understand that nuclear weapons have changed the nature of international relations.

    Just my 2cents as my weekend starts in a few hours with a hot woman and likely sex later tonight. So I’ll be abandoning the thread shortly.

    Remember people — its weekend time — go powerfuck the opposite sex.

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  35. on November 6, 2008 at 6:45 pm Velvetgunther

    Roissy, an unlikely place as it may seem for this, are you going to write anything about the recent passing away of Michael Crichton?

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  36. I don’t get why Roissy is always moaning about women’s liberation. If things had remained as they were pre-60s, “game” as we know it today would not be possible. Your contempt for this gal is pretty sickening, dude, and more mean than funny.

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  37. Also, Roissy’s dismisal of women having children late is pretty ridiculous. Can you tell me, Roissy, why they should have children early? What rational reason should they have for postponing an education and career and laying ALL their bets on some man providing for them as they churn out babies? What security do they have should their husbands abandon them?

    Having children late is the RATIONAL for women to do.

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  38. on November 6, 2008 at 7:04 pm Peregrine John

    Obrother.

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  39. on November 6, 2008 at 7:09 pm Cain and Able

    Oh yes, this reminds me of the stories i read about instances of these women(whites) who had their mates paint their cock black on top of wearing a black condom, and then put on Obama’s mask, before fucking their pussy.

    I will come back later with the link to the story. Right now, i gotta go.

    Something is seriously wrong here.

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  40. on November 6, 2008 at 7:09 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    #38: “Can you tell me, Roissy, why they should have children early?”

    I can tell you: the massive amount of birth defects by parents having kids later. Notice I said parents.

    When people have kids later, both the mom’s eggs and dad’s sperm is worse for wear and has brought us stuff like the glut of Down babies and autistic kids (among kids with many many other things, like my neice, who is deaf in one ear because mom was 44 when she had her).

    Since women marry men on average two years older, older women having kids means older men having kids also, which is a disaster. Both sides bring different problems to the table over age 35 (women bring Downs, men bring autism). Then there’s schizophrenia, bipolar, etc. Check the stats on age and these disorders.

    Do you really want to live in a society like this?Look at the Montgomery County school rolls sometime and notice the massive amount of special needs kids (others have commented on this). Then research what the effects of aging do to offspring.

    Sorry for the rant. This is an issue with me because I had to watch my idiot (liberated successful) female cousin sire a kid with massive problems too late in life (the deafness is just one facet). Poor kid, but I guess the mom and (beta) dad are “fulfilled” so that’s all that matters.

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  41. “but you will never catch me footing the bill for one of these aging Whole Foods harpies.”

    I spit up my coffee when I read this. LOL.

    “Alpha males vote libertarian or areligious conservative, preferably paleo-”?

    Guess I qualify as an alpha voter — I’m somewhere between libertarian and paleoconservative. My dream ticket: Pat Buchanan and Thomas Sowell.

    “the country eventually devolves from a center-right powerhouse of beta organized Protestant work ethic and Enlightenment ideals of ceaseless discovery into a limp-wristed, creatively exhausted, kowtowed, leftist, indebted nanny state, and then, in time, is overrun by less faggy patriarchal foes.”

    Well, interestingly enough, social historians Osvald Spengler, Arnold Toynbee, and Pitirim Sorokin as well as psychics Edgar Cayce and Baba Vanga (if you believe those kinds of things) predicted that Russia will be the new spiritual hope for mankind. A little hard to believe at the moment due to Russia’s disastrous birth rates and how completely fucked up Russia is right now, but quite possible in the future. The West is approaching total spiritual exhaustion, whereas Russia is just starting to recover theirs after having their spiritual beliefs forcibly taken from them by the communist regime. Russians will die out before they let their society goes beta.

    As far as the USA — Look at Scandinavia, because that’s where America is heading — these guys went from being the most alpha group of men ever, the Vikings, and the terror of the world to…IKEA. I’ve seen Dodo Birds which are far more alpha than your average modern Scandinavian guy, sadly enough. I get choked up when I see all these guys walking around in pink spandex shorts and remember that they once had the battle cry “Victory or Valhalla!”

    I’ll make a slight exception for the Finns as they remain the most alpha of the 4 countries (they can be tough SOBs, those Finns, when provoked — fought off the Soviet Union in 1939 and are the only group of people I know that can outdrink Russians) but the only flicker of alphadom left in Scandinavia is in their heavy-metal fans.

    “SWPL” Can someone tell me what this means? Single White ____ ____ ?

    “I thank this new sexually liberated femicentric culture for affording me a bounty of pussy”

    You know Roissy, maybe I am wrong, but I think you don’t really enjoy (on a spiritual level anyways, physically its a different story) all the pussy you are tagging. My best guess is that you are just passing time since the pool of girls you would actually like to be serious with is so infintesmally small. I would say that this is an alpha reaction to a fucked up American society — in another period, I would guess that you would be positively Cavalier-like in your treatment of women. (I can hear the screams of the women on this blog already)

    Being Alpha, as long as you’re a smart alpha and not the meathead type, can good for your spiritual development in a way, once you have satiated your carnal desires. Look at the spiritual path of Saint Augustine. Once you’ve had your fill of enough beautiful women, you can look beyond the mere sex act with beautiful women — something most betas cannot.

    If one characteristic of betahood means that you are a jealous bitch-boy that lives in envy and desire of those who get the most beautiful girls, you have already cut yourself off from any kind of spiritual growth. You have condemned yourself both to physical and spiritual servitude. That said, some betas have resigned themselves to their fate without envy (although I would say 99% resign themselves to their fate with massive amounts of resentment and envy, thus appearing on the surface as normal to outsiders, but I’d like to see what their internet porn bill looks like) and grown that way, whereas some alphas never come off of their powertrip.

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  42. Just what exactly are the risks for a woman in her late 30s in giving birth? I’m talking about the chance of birth defects here. I’m betting the risks are so small that they aren’t compelling enough to convince women to start churning out babies as soon as possible.

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  43. Look at the Montgomery County school rolls sometime and notice the massive amount of special needs kids (others have commented on this).

    I’m not so sure that the percentage of true special needs students really has increased that much. Children who a generation ago would have been considered slow learners or disciplinary problems and left to stagnate in regular classes are now being diagnosed with various conditions and put into special needs programs. What with federal aid, and special attention in school, there often is an incentive for both school systems and parents to classify children as special needs.

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  44. 9 PA:

    If you think I’m odd in having this impression, just contrast in your mind the sexy vibes our Clio gives (with apologies, o Tupac’s and Patrick’s muse)

    Yes, I hear what you’re saying, but let’s be honest. Can anyone here really imagine Clio being down with the reverse-cowgirl-anal? Somehow I doubt it.

    In other news — I love ya Roissy, but the politics stuff is starting to get a little stale. Just sayin’

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  45. “I don’t get why Roissy is always moaning about women’s “liberation. If things had remained as they were pre-60s, “game” as we know it today would not be possible. Your contempt for this gal is pretty sickening, dude, and more mean than funny.”

    Women’s lib in it’s present iteration – sucks. Women are still highly irrational and cannot be subjected to the same in-group monitoring that men are able to enforce upon one another. Men may be far from perfect, but they best deliver administrative and leadership without the disrupting and uneven influence of women. Perhaps without women’s lib there wouldn’t be so much random fucking, but random fucking is hardly the hallmark of a great society.

    “Also, Roissy’s dismisal of women having children late is pretty ridiculous. Can you tell me, Roissy, why they should have children early? What rational reason should they have for postponing an education and career and laying ALL their bets on some man providing for them as they churn out babies? What security do they have should their husbands abandon them?

    Having children late is the RATIONAL for women to do.”

    The vast majority of women want to be loved and cared for, not unwilling participants in the emptiness of work. Maybe some women love the career track, but most don’t. Further, most women work crap jobs and don’t have “careers.” By having children early and committing to a traditional marriage (with a normal guy and not some BSD), most women will find themselves as happy as life allows. Unfortunately, so many in society tell these women that jobs are fun and that they should party into their 30s. What a joke.

    I just got a call from a 35 year old women with whom I attended college. I haven’t spoken to her in 13 years. She is single, (divorced more than once), has no kids and doesn’t like her job. But she is wet all over what happened 13 years ago. I feel for her as she is a nice woman and deserves happiness. She was lied to and no doubt she feels the pressures of age as her once gorgeous tits start to sag. She will be left with a lower caliber of man, than she could have had when she was 25. I wrote this woman some beautiful words thirteen years ago; as well as some very sexually aggressive material. I was surprised to hear that she has read each of these letters every monthm even through her marriages. This smart and beautiful woman, only wants love and happiness. Good luck to her for finding someone who can screw like the devil and romance like a god. Society has done her no favors.

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  46. on November 6, 2008 at 7:29 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Umm…one in every 150 kids these days is autistic. The age of the father was responsible according to a study (see article link, below).

    Unless 35 year old women start breeding with 20 year olds instead of 40 year olds, I don’t see this as changing.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/09/05/autism_study_finds_fathers_age_a_factor/

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  47. 42 Dynamo Kiev: SWPL is “Stuff White Peole Like,” a parody of sophisticated, urban white people who are usually left wing. See Roissy’s blogroll.

    Are you Ukrainian or a US expat?

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  48. Women SHOULD have kids early, and have support from both social programs and extended nuclear family (ala Sarah Palin) to have kids AND pursue careers and education. There is conceptually no reason at all that young women could not get married in their early twenties, and have support both from their families and husbands, and the society at large, to have kids and then re-enter the workforce or education without penalty.

    Why not?

    This would also insure more intense bonding between couples to reduce the divorce rate. It’s one thing if a woman has had around 40 partners or so (not uncommon in urban areas) and marries in her late 30’s a guy with maybe 10, who is her age or so. They have sex, which is unsatisfying (the effect of bonding hormones is diluted with experience with all those other partners), have stress in trying to conceive, huge jealousy issues over past partners, limited attractiveness, and don’t form lasting emotional bonds, break up and divorce when attractiveness ends for the woman (often before the man, fact of biology). By contrast, when couples have sex in their twenties, say a woman of 22 and a man of 28, they can form intense bonds that LAST through the aging process and lack of attractiveness. The hormones WORK as evolution has intended, and function to bond the two in a series of intense emotional experiences that form lasting bonds of affection through a lifetime.

    Moreover, Roissy is right, at least in part. WOMEN are the SECRET to the West’s success. Or more specifically, women married to men, early, in a monogamous, lifetime relationship, creating a nuclear family. This makes society “wide and deep” in terms of economic power. EVERYONE becomes middle or working class, very few poor people, and society pushes up guys like Philo T. Farnsworth or the Wright Brothers or John C. Garand. No, the system is not perfect and a few can and do “game” or cheat the system, but it works well enough most of the time so that Western societies that follow this get very wealthy very fast. It also depends on free, largely unbounded choices by women about men, and men competing fairly evenly on providing both resources and good, decent behavior. With little “hoarding” of women or harems or the like. Few “Big Men” and more guys like Ike who if they have mistresses must be very, very discreet out of fear from the consequences … by fellow men. Everyone gets a shot at a family, society is both stable and dynamic (lots of change-producing wealth from middle/working class families gets produced). Women are also largely independent and free to move about, as each man protects the others in a mutual support system. I look out for your wives and daughters and you do for mine.

    The problem is that the current system has NO bounds at all. Some are needed. Women can and do pursue the Alpha, use the beauty industry (which dwarfs that of the Military-Industrial complex in annual revenues, which tells you something powerful) to compete against peers as they age, and then settle for some guy they really don’t want/love out of desperation as they age. Or simply go the full single mother route — either way they live most of their lives as single women, as noted the late marriage to a “beta” guy is a recipe for divorce.

    The West depends on Women, so they can’t be suppressed or limited in social freedoms. Instead, we need new institutions and social mores and intense and lasting social connections and peer/family pressure to bound women’s choices to make them choose, and choose wisely, in their twenties, for a lifetime mate. Where the competition is roughly fair, and each man has a shot at winning someone roughly comparable to his own status/attractiveness/etc.

    Of course any such movement would be fought tooth and nail by elites (who have if they are men, a huge virtual harem of women) and all women, who would prefer to share a few elite and powerful men, and then live life as a singleton.

    Look at Johannson — a perfect example. Woody Allen’s “sexual muse.” Stated she gets tested for STDs every six months. About 30 known partners at age 25, according to the tabs. Women on average unless social boundaries in some form exist, will engage in promiscuity to seek the “best” genes if they have their own resources.

    The West is likely doomed — because we can’t and shouldn’t restrict women’s resources, and politically we cannot restore even the most limited social boundaries of behavior.

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  49. The reason women should have children early as possible is simple biology: health of the mother and health of the child. Frankly women should be popping out 3 to 4 children during the ages of 16 to 26. Period. End of story. And that’s how it used to be for generations. This delay pregnancy bullshit is modern day stupidity. If this offends feminist sensitivity I couldn’t care less. Have your babies first, then your god-damned career and liberation later. Thankfully a self-resolving problem, as the so-called liberated women are barely reproducing, even with massive tech help, so a few more turns of the screw and y’all be gone.

    As for statistics, the risk of having a baby with chromosomal disorders increase as a woman grows older. The most common of these disorders is Down syndrome, a combination of mental retardation and physical abnormalities caused by the presence of an extra chromosome. At age 25, a woman has about a 1-in-1, 250 chance of having a baby with Down syndrome; at age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance; at age 35, a 1-in-400 chance; at age 40, a 1-in-100 chance; and at 45, a 1-in-30 chance.

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  50. “Well, interestingly enough, social historians Osvald Spengler, Arnold Toynbee, and Pitirim Sorokin as well as psychics Edgar Cayce and Baba Vanga (if you believe those kinds of things) predicted that Russia will be the new spiritual hope for mankind. A little hard to believe at the moment due to Russia’s disastrous birth rates and how completely fucked up Russia is right now, but quite possible in the future. The West is approaching total spiritual exhaustion, whereas Russia is just starting to recover theirs after having their spiritual beliefs forcibly taken from them by the communist regime. Russians will die out before they let their society goes beta.”

    Da, da, Kiev Dynamo. Russia is the 3rd Rome and the 3rd Rome will not fall. Czar Putin has an intuitive grasp of this is has helped to set Russia on the right path. Notice that A. Solzhenitsyn chose to return to Russia and not live in the spent, decadent West as he understands this as well. He was honored by Putin as a true son of Russian people.

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  51. Roissy–

    Absolutely one of your best posts yet.

    Peter–

    Why don’t you follow roissy’s suggestion? Better yet, why don’t you follow Dick Cheney’s suggestion to Patrick Leahy?

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  52. Notice that A. Solzhenitsyn chose to return to Russia and not live in the spent, decadent West as he understands this as well. He was honored by Putin as a true son of Russian people.

    WOW. I had no idea of this. To those who know who he is, that is MAJOR, very telling indeed.

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  53. “It’s one thing if a woman has had around 40 partners or so (not uncommon in urban areas) and marries in her late 30’s a guy with maybe 10, who is her age or so.”

    Any dude who marries a women who has had 40 partners is a sucker and deserves what he gets. Only a worthless, male bashing, non-feminine, iced-over bitch gives herself up so easily. I give full credit to any single man who fucks these liberal chicks then dumps them like the bags they are. Contrastingly, I despise any man like those in the film “in the company of men.”

    “Look at Johannson — a perfect example. Woody Allen’s “sexual muse.” Stated she gets tested for STDs every six months.”

    She is so easy on the eyes that, against my better judgement, I always envisioned her as something of a proper women. Full freedom for her to fuck away, but that statement about STDs ruins the magic. I wonder if she will one day pull a Madonna and marry someone much younger. I gather that Guy Ritchie called Madonna an old, wrinkley bag of a woman. The problem for those women who want to play rough is that time and nature are against them. They all fall weak far sooner than men.

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  54. on November 6, 2008 at 8:08 pm Seeking_Alpha

    WOW. I had no idea of this. To those who know who he is, that is MAJOR, very telling indeed.

    That happened awhile ago. Solzhenitsyn died recently.

    http://www.economist.com/obituary/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11880189

    By the way, it’s kind of obscure, but I couldn’t recommend more Moscow 2042. It has a character based on Solzhenitsyn named Sim Karnavalov and re-instituting the monarchy.

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  55. I didn’t know Solzhenitsyn even died recently. I am currently reading Gulag though. Will check out Moscow 2042.

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  56. on November 6, 2008 at 8:18 pm Seeking_Alpha

    I’ve been meaning to read some books about the Gulag. Something like Kolyma tales.

    How do you get a picture instead of an IP Fractal?

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  57. Go to gravatar.com and sign up.

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  58. She probably sobs while fucking and thinking Obama, and her beta husband stops, holds her and tries to comfort her. What a gas!

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  59. 57 Seeking_Alpha
    I’ve been meaning to read some books about the Gulag. Something like Kolyma tales.

    Try “A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.”

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  60. on November 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm michaelkatcher

    Did it work?

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  61. Guess what–women have come to reject the pre-60s ideals, and with good reason. Women are not irrational. Female behavior–no matter how seemingly “irrational”–is largely geared towards rational ends. So I ask: why would women come to reject the pre-60s ideals? If such arrangements were so GOOD for them then they should be fighting for it today.

    What many of you who are comforted by these theories about women seem relectunt to acknowledge is that women made a TRADEOFF between independence and the old -marry as young as possible- set up. Sure, the latter might have been more in line with their biological role, but it clearly had it’s disadvantages–hence why they rejected it and why they aren’t eager to have it back.

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  62. Also, that gal doesn’t look all that bad either. Most of the readers of this blog aren’t capable of snagging a woman of similar looks.

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  63. on November 6, 2008 at 8:54 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Fuck it. Couldn’t get Gravatar to work.

    Don’t paint with such a broad brush ‘shesaidno’. You are not they and I know plenty of women, my own girlfriend included, who work now, will work when their kids have all graduated high school, but want to be a mother from 25 to 50. I know it’s tough seeing as it requires not putting yourself first, something many “modern” women such as yourself have difficulty doing.

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  64. 62 shesaidno

    Then I want to hear nothing more about how guys are chasing after younger babes and leaving good women on the shelf, about how men won’t commit, etc… and all the other wailing. So you will end up like Maureen Dowd, but you won’t get a column in the NYT. Consider it a deal.

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  65. Is she on her way to the abortuary?

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  66. “Also, that gal doesn’t look all that bad either.”

    Is that a joke? Either that or you must be below average…

    “Most of the readers of this blog aren’t capable of snagging a woman of similar looks.”

    Why would they want to?

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  67. “Guess what–women have come to reject the pre-60s ideals, and with good reason. Women are not irrational. Female behavior–no matter how seemingly “irrational”–is largely geared towards rational ends. So I ask: why would women come to reject the pre-60s ideals? If such arrangements were so GOOD for them then they should be fighting for it today.”

    A movement was engaged and a huge shift was completed. Society was changed in major ways and institutions adapted to the new dynamic. Today, we can see that a great many women are miserable. Some are fighting and some are drinking the lesbian bull.

    “What many of you who are comforted by these theories about women seem relectunt to acknowledge is that women made a TRADEOFF between independence and the old -marry as young as possible- set up. Sure, the latter might have been more in line with their biological role, but it clearly had it’s disadvantages–hence why they rejected it and why they aren’t eager to have it back.”

    My MBA class was about 35% female. I cannot name one who wished to be captain of industry. I cannot name one who wanted only a career. I can name many men who wanted both. Men and women are very different on average. Some women will want the same as your average man, and some men will want the same as the average woman. What you don’t seem to understand is that a great many women are miserable today because they are constantly fed lies about work (you can have a career), kids (drop them off at daycare, they don’t need mommy) and men (they like cougar women). I can tell you that most women do not have meaningful careers, most women are saddened by having strangers raise their babies, and men only like cougars because they will do anything to get attention.

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  68. 63 shesaidno:

    Also, that gal doesn’t look all that bad either. Most of the readers of this blog aren’t capable of snagging a woman of similar looks.

    Telling.

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  69. A problem I see is that a woman today who DOES choose to marry as early as possible is taking a considerable risk–because, after 10 years, her husband could become ‘tired’ of her and go after another woman. SHE might want a traditional monogamous marriage but there’s nothing to guarentee that her husband won’t be affected by the hyper-sexualized culture around him and abandon her for another woman. And then what’s in store for her exactly? She has no education and is burdened with children. Sure, her husband might provide alimony to aleviate the fianancial burden but she nontheless faces the burden of actually taking care of the kids day in and day out.

    That’s a nightmarish situation for most women and I don’t blame them for trying to have it both ways.

    One option young pretty women have is to marry a rich man. If kids are involved, she’s secured for life whether he remains loyal or decides to abandon her.

    The supply of rich men is very, very limited–and it’s entirely rational for women to secure their fianancial future before settling down.

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  70. on November 6, 2008 at 9:13 pm michaelkatcher

    Did it work yet?

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  71. Also, that gal doesn’t look all that bad either. Most of the readers of this blog aren’t capable of snagging a woman of similar looks.

    Wait, aren’t you also the person who claimed Michelle Obama was an 8 in the previous thread. I hope you don’t play matchmaker for your male friends, you have some serious vision problems, probably brought on by your strident feminism.

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  72. on November 6, 2008 at 9:15 pm Cain and Able

    Funny, how feminists will see that picture and not think that woman is “desecrating” her body by objectifying it into some man’s political toy. The very same feminists who will rail against female body objectification in other context. Who knows, she may even be a feminist for all we know.

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  73. on November 6, 2008 at 9:17 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Maybe now it’s working?

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  74. shesaidYEStoroissy:
    So I ask: why would women come to reject the pre-60s ideals? If such arrangements were so GOOD for them then they should be fighting for it today.

    women’s sexual desire is a wild, untamed beast. for the good of society, it must be constrained by either law, shaming, or both. otherwise, the result is devolution into an uncivilized state of nature.

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  75. on November 6, 2008 at 9:17 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Hmmm, I tried getting the Fountainhead pic up instead. Rourke or Galt… who’s better?

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  76. “Why would they want to?”

    Because in all liklihood they themselves are pretty average–or, possibly–ugly?

    These heady types tend to be not be very good looking. For instance, consider Razib of GNXP–no offense, but can you imagine him snagging the gal above?

    Most of you have looks equivalent to Razib’s, and you embrace Roissy’s theories to explain your frustrations with women. Of course it’s likely the case that your frustrations due your looks more than they are to women choosing to settle down late.

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  77. I’m not a “strident” feminist. A “strident” feminist wouldn’t acknowledge the biological basis of gender roles and such. I just sypmathize with women as much as I do with my dick.

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  78. SA – it’s working, but you may need to clear your cache on the computer to see the change.

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  79. shesaidYEStoroissy:
    Also, Roissy’s dismisal of women having children late is pretty ridiculous. Can you tell me, Roissy, why they should have children early?

    womb expiration.

    What rational reason should they have for postponing an education and career and laying ALL their bets on some man providing for them as they churn out babies?

    your premises need reworking.

    What security do they have should their husbands abandon them?

    child support.

    Having children late is the RATIONAL thing for women to do.

    only if they like trips to fertility clinics and aborting abnormal fetuses.

    ps: the aging broad in the pic is a 4.

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  80. on November 6, 2008 at 9:24 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Wait a minute, shesaidno is a guy?

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  81. Shesaidno is a DUDE?

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  82. on November 6, 2008 at 9:26 pm Dave from Hawaii

    A problem I see is that a woman today who DOES choose to marry as early as possible is taking a considerable risk–because, after 10 years, her husband could become ‘tired’ of her and go after another woman. SHE might want a traditional monogamous marriage but there’s nothing to guarentee that her husband won’t be affected by the hyper-sexualized culture around him and abandon her for another woman. And then what’s in store for her exactly? She has no education and is burdened with children. Sure, her husband might provide alimony to aleviate the fianancial burden but she nontheless faces the burden of actually taking care of the kids day in and day out.

    That’s a nightmarish situation for most women and I don’t blame them for trying to have it both ways.

    One option young pretty women have is to marry a rich man. If kids are involved, she’s secured for life whether he remains loyal or decides to abandon her.

    The supply of rich men is very, very limited–and it’s entirely rational for women to secure their fianancial future before settling down.

    In which you’ve displayed complete ignorance of the current marital market and divorce industry designed by shyster divorce trial lawyers and man-hating feminazi’s.

    A woman that marries young while her sexual attraction is at it’s peak to any man that is – or on track to becoming – a dependable provider, IS securing a financial future in ways that are almost impossible for young men to do.

    Of are you simply unaware of the no-fault (his fault) divorce/alimony and child-support racket that makes it possible for women find themselves a wage slave to pay for their lifestyles?

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  83. velvetgunther:
    That’s probably stretching it.

    double entendre alert.

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  84. on November 6, 2008 at 9:29 pm Cain and Able

    Roark is better than Galt.

    Read Nietzche instead.

    Francisco is my favourite. then Rearden.

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  85. Most of you have looks equivalent to Razib’s, and you embrace Roissy’s theories to explain your frustrations with women. Of course it’s likely the case that your frustrations due your looks more than they are to women choosing to settle down late.

    And you know this how? Seriously. The only pictures I see on the comments are those funky patterns, what looks like chicken nuggets, Freddy Mercury(?) and painting that looks vaguely art deco/William Blake.

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  86. on November 6, 2008 at 9:31 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Shesaidno – You’re using female insecurities (rely on a guy not to leave her) just like DA using male insecurities (I could get cuckolded).

    Of course those things can happen. One solution is to never trust anyone and if you’re a woman, be Roissy’s typical 40-year old bitter, single, overeducated and if you’re a man, be a Roissy type character. Neither is particularly attractive to me, although the old male bachelor clearly has the edge over the old female harpy.

    Another alternative is to choose your mate wisely and hope for the best (and have a good pre-nup). Personally, in 50 years, I want to be an old wealthy dude with a bunch of kids and grandkids. That life is possible. Roissy is right to make sure that the pretty lie of that life coming true no matter what perishes, but it’s no more accurate to say that life is impossible.

    The leaves-for-a-20-years-younger husband or the fucking-the-pool-boy wife aren’t the only options out there, and it’s within your power to make smart decisions to minimize that from happening.

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  87. Just occurred to me: all your points are not disputable, but what if the subject of the photo is having her LAST kid? If it’s not her first and she DID in fact have the rest at the appropriate times, then your premise falls apart?

    Naaaaaahh!

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  88. on November 6, 2008 at 9:26 pm82 T. AKA Ricky Raw

    Shesaidno is a DUDE?

    And with a name like that we get called bitter? Hysterical.

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  89. @77

    Actually the dynamic is now that the “average girl” is not settling for the “average guy.” And frankly our society never teaches anyone how to deal with frustration/anger/disappointment.

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  90. on November 6, 2008 at 9:38 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Still AS cover or is it FH now?

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  91. on November 6, 2008 at 9:38 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Fuck it, I give up. I guess my avatar is stuck as Atlas.

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  92. SA, it takes a few minutes for picture changes to take effect, plus make sure you clear your cache each time.

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  93. Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    So true, so true.

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  94. Just stepped in and saw this.

    Excellent.

    Nuff respect due to the R.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  95. 85 Cain and Able:

    Roark is better than Galt.

    Read Nietzche instead.

    Francisco is my favourite. then Rearden.

    Nah, Ragnar all the way.

    Then Wynand.

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  96. 90 Thursday:

    Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    Great line. Consider it stolen.

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  97. on November 6, 2008 at 10:57 pm tastexperience

    Shesaidno is Mrs. Obamabelly’s husband

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  98. on November 6, 2008 at 11:00 pm tastexperience

    Btw, Roissy, that was a beautifully vitriolic post.

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  99. Hey Thursday–I didn’t bring up looks. I was just called “average” by some dude up-thread.

    #88–why would you assume that she’s having her first kid? Maybe this is her third child.

    Your collective contempt for this woman is absurd.

    Roissy–I acknowledge that women face the pressure of time more than men do as regards to reproduction. That doesn’t mean they must be enslaved to the role of churning out babys and have that be the sole purpose of their life. Most of the men reading this blog are fantasizing about the prospect of having some gal be *utterly* dependant on them, some gal to have power over. These theories comfort them that that is the way things SHOULD be. It’s sad.

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  100. “Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.”

    Amazing line.

    “BTW you betray your ignorance of what women are like by focussing so much on looks.”

    His blog corroborates this.

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  101. “Hey Thursday–I didn’t bring up looks.”

    Are you fucking schizophrenic? Go back and read your own comment.

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  102. Pupu thinks that the gal is pleasant looking in a tomb-boyish way. She is clearly an exhibitionist. Whether that is tasteful or not can be up for debate. All other criticisms are quite unjustifiable. An exhibitionist always finds an opportunity to show herself. The choice of the venue is more about whether it presents more eyeballs and the legitimacy for showmanship than about the cause of the event. Pupu thinks this look is better suited for a Halloween party. But, hey, a party is a party is a party. Woody Allen once said something like “eternal nothingness is fine as long as you are dressed for it.” Well, she is definitely well dressed for a party!

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  103. Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    Not only is this a brilliant line, take out the “with women” part and it still holds true.

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  104. 101 shesaidno

    Most of the men reading this blog are fantasizing about the prospect of having some gal be *utterly* dependant on them, some gal to have power over. These theories comfort them that that is the way things SHOULD be. It’s sad.

    Um, no? I would just like a gal who rewards me for being attentive and loving and a good provider, not just standing up for myself (which I am perfectly capable of doing).

    I had essentially absolute power in my last LTR. But that’s because I honestly thought the girl wasn’t yet good enough for me, and when it finally became clear that wasn’t going to change, I left her. I don’t want absolute power. I want to be part of a strong team.

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  105. El Guapo @ 35

    There is no such thing as Nazi-lite. Not while I am still around.

    I am going to run in ’12. Time for the restoration.

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  106. on November 7, 2008 at 12:02 am Large Hadron Collider

    The alpha baby dominates the womb.

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  107. shesaidno:
    That doesn’t mean they must be enslaved to the role of churning out babys and have that be the sole purpose of their life.

    most women don’t view raising children as enslavement.
    men, otoh…

    Most of the men reading this blog are fantasizing about the prospect of having some gal be *utterly* dependant on them, some gal to have power over.

    men fantasize about it because they know it works. you may not like it, but women LOVE IT when their men have power over them.

    These theories comfort them that that is the way things SHOULD be.

    actually, men think the way things SHOULD be is exactly opposite reality — women loving them for “who they are”. but in fact women love men for their power and dominance and talents and charm. there is no comfort to be found in the knowledge that women get wet for the top dog who dominates them.

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  108. oooooh more posts where you play act as Obama mid-coitus, please!! Describe his presidential member next time…. hawt! Methinks Roissy has an empty vessel of his own in need of filling

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  109. Women DO run a risk of making … BAD choices in men when they marry early.

    The strategy of minimizing that risk by not marrying at all, and having lots of sex with lots of guys to get the “best” most Dominant Alpha Genes will produce … a society somewhere between West Africa and pre-Roman Europe. Dominated by nasty, violent Big Men racing each other to the bottom with violence as the trumping factor for Alpha. With women the booty in various raids or what have you.

    The solution is instead for women to make WISE choices in selecting men. To grow up faster, make more mature choices, and for society to require men to stick with the women they marry. Not just walk out. For women to be required to do so as well.

    There would still be room and social space for women who did not want to marry, but they would be regarded as the exceptions and noted also as paying a price (no family) for their other ambitions. As free women they ought to have the right to do so, but be fully informed of the consequences.

    Men and women expected to pair off, with the women in their early twenties and the men in their late twenties, with the men expected to be, as a man, a supportive and LOVING husband not a women-chaser, would to my mind be a far more productive and wealthy and STABLE society than the mess we have now.

    Dont’ think for a moment we won’t have a serious social price with all those unattached men. They won’t find wives, any productive function, and will make themselves a total pain for society and for women who they will predictably take out their frustrations in nasty, petty ways.

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  110. shesaidno–

    Are you really that stupid? Read my post. It says nothing about my assuming anything. Let me sum it slowly so your lips don’t move too fast while you read this:

    1) I agree with everything roissy wrote. He said exactly what I think.

    2) All I’m saying is that IF the woman in the picture is as old as she looks (and roissy and I suspect) AND this is her first pregnancy, then roissy’s conclusions are spot on.

    3) If it is a subsequent one, AND if she had earlier ones in the biologically safer earlier time frame, then roissy’s argument is not quite as clear.

    That’s all. Do you get it now?

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  111. Really, it is bad to give women the vote. They just don’t think logically. And, I am tired of paying for women’s decisions. Women certainly are parasites of men. (Note health care costs and pension costs.)

    How many people realize that Switzerland did not allow women to vote until about 1972.

    Just think about that.

    Look at the sorry mess our country is in. It is only going to get worse.

    Hopefully, a very long, deep recession will occur, and make people get serious again.

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  112. Roissy, I can’t see any crows feet on that woman’s face. I bet you have crows’ feet around your eyes. You are 30 something after all.

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  113. She is in deep, deep love with Obama. So deep, that I’m positive she would happily cheat on her husband/boyfriend/cohabitator/sperm donor to give Obama the thrill of pregnancy sex, and wouldn’t worry at all about his thrusting presidential penis banging a hole in the head of her unborn child.
    *dead faint*

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  114. *dead faint*

    i understand. this post was one of my most uplifting homilies of hate.

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  115. JaJaJa is a woman?

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  116. Seeking_Alpha
    Wait a minute, shesaidno is a guy?

    T. AKA Ricky Raw
    Shesaidno is a DUDE?

    duh

    check out his blog

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  117. thursday I am a fairly good looking guy, but had little success with women until I ran across game

    oh really? send me a photo and I will be the judge of that.

    chris saidUm, no? I would just like a gal who rewards me for being attentive and loving and a good provider, not just standing up for myself (which I am perfectly capable of doing). I don’t want absolute power. I want to be part of a strong team.
    *calls delta for a ticket*
    Chris are you for real? You sound too good to be true.

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  118. Most of you have looks equivalent to Razib’s, and you embrace his theories to explain your frustrations with women. Of course it’s likely the case that your frustrations due your looks more than they are to women choosing to settle down late.

    Success with women is more disillusioning than failure.

    BTW you betray your ignorance of what women are like by focussing so much on looks. I am a fairly good looking guy, but had little success with women until I ran across game. All that looks really mean is that you can open direct.

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  119. “Um, no? I would just like a gal who rewards me for being attentive and loving and a good provider, not just standing up for myself (which I am perfectly capable of doing). I don’t want absolute power. I want to be part of a strong team.”

    This is like a woman saying she just wants a nice guy who treats her sweetly and deferentially. I’ve heard guys say this in the past, but I’ve yet to find one that really means it

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  120. 120 hello

    This is like a woman saying she just wants a nice guy who treats her sweetly and deferentially. I’ve heard guys say this in the past, but I’ve yet to find one that really means it

    Um, I proved I meant it when I left the LTR in which I had absolute power, and continue to prove it in pursuing only women that might be intellectual equals, essentially regardless of beauty.

    I have to modify my tactics, though, since even these women usually need to be charmed first. I can only afford to reveal my relentless long-term orientation later in the process.

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  121. There is nothing hotter than a good, clean, smart, conservative, Christian girl.

    Shudder. Those girls fall into the friend category. They don’t have any physical sex appeal.

    I don’t get why Roissy is always moaning about women’s liberation. If things had remained as they were pre-60s, “game” as we know it today would not be possible.

    The theory is that they’d all have pretty wives and secret mistresses who’d do whatever they wanted. In other words, they get to play out the fun fantasy of Mad Men.

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  122. Have your babies first, then your god-damned career and liberation later.

    Once you have your kids, your career is tanked, and no employer will bother dealing with you as a person of responsibility. The idea is to pump up your career to a respectable level that is commensurate with one’s social class and earnings needs for raising children properly, and then have children.

    and then settle for some guy they really don’t want/love out of desperation as they age

    Women have been doing that for years. Women are only attracted to alphas, and they only tolerate beta males, and the old days of marriage only created an environment that papered over that fact. I’d rather have a world where the women go after what they want instead of living in a fake world where my wife only wants me because I pay for the damned mortgage and read bedtime stories to the kids at night.

    There is conceptually no reason at all that young women could not get married in their early twenties, and have support both from their families and husbands, and the society at large, to have kids and then re-enter the workforce or education without penalty.

    It’s interesting that you’re proposing such a plan when a sizable number of the posters here in general seem to be against government provision of a social welfare state. Regardless, isn’t relying on the extended family a trait and pattern of the poorer nations that you tend to use as an example of what happens when betas don’t form families?

    Besides, I like the nuclear family because it doesn’t rely on extended families for support. For some of us, we don’t want anything to do with some parts of our nuclear family, and for some people, their extended families don’t have enough money to support a proper middle class lifestyle.

    By having children early and committing to a traditional marriage (with a normal guy and not some BSD), most women will find themselves as happy as life allows.

    That’s interesting for a perspective that seems to be pro-male. Traditional marriage means that the man has to work even harder due to his wife’s lack of income, which is not pro-male, but pro-female, as it gives her a free ride.

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  123. 119 Chic:

    Chris are you for real? You sound too good to be true.

    You know what they say about things that sound too good to be true…

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  124. “Have your babies first, then your god-damned career and liberation later.”

    How old do the kids have to be? And how many men would be willing to support their non-working wives and kids until that time comes? Also, men tend to be able to leave the kids at home and not think about them unless some emergency comes up. Motherhood is very, very different from fatherhood.

    “and then settle for some guy they really don’t want/love out of desperation as they age”

    I’m sure many of our grandmas did that to avoid the stigma of being old maids. Also, if everyone marrying at that age there will still be competition for the best men.

    “There is conceptually no reason at all that young women could not get married in their early twenties, and have support both from their families and husbands, and the society at large, to have kids and then re-enter the workforce or education without penalty.” It’s hard to go back to school when your kids are outgrowing clothes
    almost as fast as you buy them, they need braces, and you have to pay for daycare as well as tuition on one salary. She may able to ask her parents for help, but that simply extends the period of dependence while adding kids.

    “By having children early and committing to a traditional marriage (with a normal guy and not some BSD), most women will find themselves as happy as life allows.”

    Very few modern men want the stress of being completely financially responsible for their families. They often see stay at home moms as lazy, needy and clingy. To them pulling one’s weight in marriage doesn’t mean a separate but equal division of labor, but where both partners act primarily as gender-neutral wage earners and part-time child minders.

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  125. 120 hello:

    This is like a woman saying she just wants a nice guy who treats her sweetly and deferentially. I’ve heard guys say this in the past, but I’ve yet to find one that really means it

    Oh, plenty of men mean it alright — but with the added stipulation that the girl be at least a six.

    (or 8 in my case but I digress)

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  126. 121 Chris:

    I have to modify my tactics, though, since even these women usually need to be charmed first. I can only afford to reveal my relentless long-term orientation later in the process.

    Word to the wise: if you really want a *successful* LTR with a girl, never be the one to propose exclusivity. Yes, you will have to let some birds slip through your fingers but you will save yourself years of quiet desperation.

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  127. David Alexander:

    Women have been doing that for years. Women are only attracted to alphas, and they only tolerate beta males, and the old days of marriage only created an environment that papered over that fact. I’d rather have a world where the women go after what they want instead of living in a fake world where my wife only wants me because I pay for the damned mortgage and read bedtime stories to the kids at night.

    I don’t think this theme of David’s gets enough attention on this blog.

    I agree with just about everything Whiskey says, but the fact remains: if women do indeed, in the state of nature, in their heart of hearts, really only desire good-time-sex-feelings with the alpha elites, how desirable is it, really, to enforce lifelong marriage with beta males, through social or political pressure?

    I mean, I know most of us men on this blog are as realistic and jaded as they come, but surely there still exists in our black hearts at least *some* notion of love as something other than business-transaction?

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  128. “if women do indeed, in the state of nature, in their heart of hearts, really only desire good-time-sex-feelings with the alpha elites, how desirable is it, really, to enforce lifelong marriage with beta males, through social or political pressure?”

    That’s an exaggerated generalization. Some women are exactly like that, some are half and half, some aren’t like that all. Do you have a mother, sisters, female friends? Do they ALL conform to that description?

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  129. 128 Tupac Chopra

    I agree with just about everything Whiskey says, but the fact remains: if women do indeed, in the state of nature, in their heart of hearts, really only desire good-time-sex-feelings with the alpha elites, how desirable is it, really, to enforce lifelong marriage with beta males, through social or political pressure?

    I mean, I know most of us men on this blog are as realistic and jaded as they come, but surely there still exists in our black hearts at least *some* notion of love as something other than business-transaction?

    I’m not in favor of taking choices away from women. What I am in favor of is educating smart males early on about what women really want, so they have enough time to develop the right mentality and social skills. I know I’m gonna do this for any boys I may have, since I sure as hell don’t want them to suffer through what I did.

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  130. 126 Tupac Chopra

    Oh, plenty of men mean it alright — but with the added stipulation that the girl be at least a six.

    (or 8 in my case but I digress)

    And my added stipulation is that the girl must be at least an 8, maybe even 8.5, intellectually. A disproportionate number (close to a majority) of the girls I’ve been seriously interested in have professors for fathers (and my own dad is one too).

    But I have no problem with someone who’s physically a 4.

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  131. Chris,

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but is there something you’re not telling us? Finding an intellectual girl should be easy if you aren’t a Nazi about looks.

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  132. 132 hello

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but is there something you’re not telling us? Finding an intellectual girl should be easy if you aren’t a Nazi about looks.

    Well, as mentioned above, my tactics were wrong; I did not want to waste much time on short-term relationships, and I was too open about that. It’s pretty clear that I need to pretend to not care much about the long term until the girl is already in love with me. We’ll see how good of an actor I can be.

    And it doesn’t help that I’m a math/CS nerd (though I’m perfectly fine with a girl with minimal interest in those subjects, as long as she’s sensible and passionate about enough other things we can talk about and explore), and an atheist.

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  133. Chris,

    Are you into Asians? In my experience Asians (excluding Koreans) tend to be less religious than whites, blacks and Hispanics. As well as being fond of math and computer nerds.

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  134. 134 hello

    Are you into Asians? In my experience Asians (excluding Koreans) tend to be less religious than whites, blacks and Hispanics. As well as being fond of math and computer nerds.

    It probably won’t surprise you to hear that I am Asian. (I should have mentioned that among my drawbacks.)

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  135. 128 Tupac

    If women do indeed, in the state of nature, in their heart of hearts, really only desire good-time-sex-feelings with the alpha elites, how desirable is it, really, to enforce lifelong marriage with beta males, through social or political pressure?

    Monogamous marriage is to the benefit of society. Read the chapter “Polygamy and the Nature of Men” in the book “The Red Queen.” When you have 20% of women married to an elite 10% of men, you’re going to have the male proles fighting each other for the remaining 80%. Look at any polygamous society in world history. Are there any that would make you say, “boy, I wish we were more like them”? Polygamous societies are inherently more violent societies.

    Roissy and I both love the writings of Steve Sailer. I suggest you his his 2002 piece, “The Problem With Polygamy.” http://tinyurl.com/6xzd5p

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  136. “It probably won’t surprise you to hear that I am Asian. (I should have mentioned that among my drawbacks.)”

    I’m white and I find Asian men attractive. However I am not an atheist 😦

    I have an Asian American male friend who also says being
    Asian is a strike against him in the US meat market. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but would you consider going to your ancestral country to meet a girl? Definitely a far from ideal situation but if you feel that the odds are so stacked against you it may be your best bet.

    I personally think that being Asian is not such a deal-breaker here, but undermining your confidence in the U.S. is. Sailer exaggerates about how unattractive Aian men are.

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  137. Word to the wise: if you really want a *successful* LTR with a girl, never be the one to propose exclusivity.

    That’s good advice. If the woman is to be satisfied with you for the long term, she needs to set the pace of the relationship.

    This means that once you’re dating, she must be the first one to “nag” you about calling each other boyfriend/ girlfriend, being exclusinve, getting the ring, and getting married.

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  138. no one has raised the obvious question that flows from this picture: how long before white people start naming their kids barack or obama or some derivation thereof?

    personally, i think it won’t catch on except among the most SWPL white people. the funny, or perhaps not so funny, thing about that demographic is that as much as they love to tell poor people what’s good for them and love to show their support for things like public schools and public housing and public healthcare, they go to great lengths to make sure their own kids never have to deal with such things.

    actually, there might be a real fundamental flaw in the main argument that gets echoed on here. white liberals support the welfare state, which essentially works to disincentive real progress from those with low incomes. this traps them in poverty, and leads to less competition for their own kids when it comes to getting into good schools and getting good jobs. it’s occured to me that if you really were a racist and wanted to actively keep black people down, you would have switched from supporting jim crow to supporting the expansion of the welfare state. they effectively do the same things.

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  139. 137 hello

    I’m white and I find Asian men attractive. However I am not an atheist 😦

    I’m not a militant atheist, and in fact I have no problem whatsoever with a relationship with a believer. (Almost my entire extended family is Christian, and I was raised as one.) But what I’ve found is that too many girls do not like my lack of belief. It’s irrelevant if I’m fully tolerant of them, they don’t tolerate me as LTR material (this was, in fact, the immediate cause of my last failure).

    So I’ve reluctantly concluded that I have to be less open about my atheism in real life. (But on the Internet? That’s crazy talk! Seriously, if a girl cares enough about me to dredge up all my blog comments, she should be prepared to deal with the truth.) If necessary, I can successfully pretend to believe for the rest of my life; arguably, doing so would actually be an expression of my faith in rationalism (I know that women tend to be more enthusiastic consumers of religion than men, and whites tend to care more than East Asians, so it’s time for me to fully act on that knowledge, rather than continuing my unsuccessful strategy of trusting in female tolerance).

    I would, of course, strongly prefer not to do that, but the number of actually compatible women I’d screen out that way is just too large.

    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but would you consider going to your ancestral country to meet a girl?

    I have no problem with that in principle. (In fact, if the worst predictions about Obama come to pass, I may be compelled to emigrate to East Asia for other reasons anyway.) I appreciated it when former commenter “Hope” offered to connect me with her cousin back in China. But that didn’t actually come to pass because her cousin’s English isn’t strong enough to get to initially know me over email (and my written Chinese ability is practically nonexistent, though I can speak it… sort of…). The same problem would arise with most other girls in China.

    I personally think that being Asian is not such a deal-breaker here, but undermining your confidence in the U.S. is.

    I don’t really have a problem with confidence until I see that the girl is actually disqualifying me for some reason. (Again, atheism seems like more of a problem here than being of East Asian ethnicity, though of course the two are correlated. The good news is that, while I can’t pretend to not be East Asian, I can neglect to bring up my atheism.)

    139 Lance

    how long before white people start naming their kids barack or obama or some derivation thereof?

    I’m sure this has already started happening…

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  140. — this [atheism] was, in fact, the immediate cause of my last failure

    Heh. Is that what she told you? Women will always tell you the second, third, and fiftieth reason for breaking up with you. But they will never tell you the reason that is almost always their number one: their attraction for you was never very high, or if it was, it dropped to where she no longer wants to be with you.

    — if the worst predictions about Obama come to pass, I may be compelled to emigrate to East Asia for other reasons anyway

    Half-seriously speaking, thank God for dual citizenship.

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  141. You are 100% correct about the right of women to vote. The result has been a creeping feminization of all aspects of our society. Just about everything connected with liberalism and multiculturalism stems from a female desire not to hurt other people’s feelings. The policies of the Democratic Party are designed to make people feel good about themselves rather than strengthen and protect the United States. The Democratic Party truly is the “mommy party.”

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  142. Chris, if you believe it’s a drawback, it is a drawback. You can change your beliefs, not your ancestry. Being more positive about yourself has an effect, as does any negativity. Try a Dale Carnegie book or something similar if you’re looking for pointers.

    I don’t know how old you are, but were I you, I’d be trying college towns. For a variety of reasons, the atmosphere is more open to different things. There are more smart people, more people from other places, and more energy than most other places.

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  143. thing about that demographic is that as much as they love to tell poor people what’s good for them and love to show their support for things like public schools and public housing and public healthcare, they go to great lengths to make sure their own kids never have to deal with such things.

    Well, it’s obvious that the public schools and public housing for most poor people suck, but I’d suspect that in some locales, some of the poorer artist-type SWPL are on Medicaid or a state-subsidized plan which is still much better than being uninsured. Why would you send your kid to public school if you know that it sucks, and it doesn’t support the “enrichment” programs that one thinks is necessary for education?

    white liberals support the welfare state, which essentially works to disincentive real progress from those with low incomes.

    I suspect that a sizable number of people on classic welfare (in exchange for nothing) have low IQs, which implies that you won’t see much in terms of real progress. They’re not going to go off welfare and become middle class ever, and they’ll be stuck in low-paying service jobs that have no potential for advancement.

    Of course, the question is if low paying service jobs are a better choice for this group than welfare.

    Half-seriously speaking, thank God for dual citizenship.

    I secretly long for Canadian citizenship.

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  144. Chris and Tupac — women like men are adaptable. Put social conformity upon them and they will adapt. They ALREADY have HUGE social conformity pressures among girlfriend groups — so that’s nothing new.

    Women are only free in their pursuit of the Alpha. In putting pressure on them to make a WISE choice of a guy, who will likely be “beta” and stick with him, along with a corresponding pressure on the guy to stick with her, she is FREE of the endless, spending driven need to keep up with her girlfriends for social comfort and support. Her husband will give her emotional support, negating the requirement to go on mutual debt-driven shopping sprees which is retail therapy.

    This is how Western Civilization was built. Does anyone like how the Black Community in the Urban Core, or White British underclass, or much of America today has devolved into a brutish competition for women? Male cooperation requires everyone have a mostly fair shake at getting a woman who he can assume he will have exclusive access to.

    Most societies recognize male and female sexuality alike is dangerous unconstrained and so … constrain it. Western Society is built on maximum freedom possible for women without tipping over into soft polygamy. This must be addressed.

    Hope — Asian men have it screwed. Even Bruce Lee, had felt the pressure and was constantly bulking up to be more intimidating and he felt, masculine. Asian women in the US widely prefer Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites. Go onto some of the sites where Asian men frequent, their anger and bitterness (women reject them for being: “too smart” aka Low Testosterone, slightly built, shorter, etc. including Asian women) and you’ll see this in action.

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  145. Let me add, love comes into play the more confirmation bias rears its head. A woman makes a choice, after much consideration, and then confirms her choice by finding the good things about her husband, and “why” she loves him.

    It’s a lot easier in the Twenties when he’s young, handsome, virile, etc. than in the thirties. Same for the guy too — the mental picture of her at 23 never goes away. She’ll always be young and beautiful for him. No matter how old she gets. She’s always his.

    The point however is women chase “passion” which is lots of lust-driven sex mixed with excitement and novelty. THAT never lasts, it can’t. It’s why the hormones build shared emotional intimacy and support which is how human beings are supposed to live. Not in some endless chase as people age out of attractiveness.

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  146. hello

    I’m white(blk) and I find Asian men attractive. However I am not an atheist

    me too 🙂 🙂
    I love everything about them really.

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  147. I love everything about them really.

    have you ever fucked an asian man?

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  148. When historians of the future debate the fall of the American Republic, this blog post will be a guiding light.

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  149. In putting pressure on them to make a WISE choice of a guy, who will likely be “beta” and stick with him, along with a corresponding pressure on the guy to stick with her, she is FREE of the endless, spending driven need to keep up with her girlfriends for social comfort and support.

    Knowing that women’s primal desires are for alpha males, why would I trust my girlfriend or wife in the long-term given that she only picked me because she was forced to pick me? Is it better for one’s ego to be alone or to be picked as second or third best and live a fake marriage with fake love and desire? Do I really want to be the guy she married not because I invoke passion and lust, but because I pay the mortgage, cut the grass, and I cheer on our daughters at the soccer game?

    As for emotional therapy and spending habits, I assure you that marriage doesn’t magically make that go away. I’ve seen plenty of married women try and outspend each other in order to prove proper social standing. Hell, whenever my mom purchased something, my friend’s mom would try and out do her, and her friend would mimic everything she did. We’re not talking about women born in the States, but women who came from a third world nation and didn’t grow up with feminism. It’s hard to escape the desire to outdo our friends and neighbours in order to show off.

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  150. This blog seems to follow the ideas of Islamic culture without the Islam (Allah) part more and more every day.

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  151. 42 Dynamo Kiev

    […]

    I’ll make a slight exception for the Finns as they remain the most alpha of the 4 countries (they can be tough SOBs, those Finns, when provoked — fought off the Soviet Union in 1939 and are the only group of people I know that can outdrink Russians) but the only flicker of alphadom left in Scandinavia is in their heavy-metal fans.

    I like Finns, but they are a different breed from other Scandinavians. They are Finno-Ugric people of West Asian origin, as opposed to the Germanic people of the rest of Scandinavia. Finnish women are some of the best in Europe, and they keep their looks for a long time.

    But as for their drinking ability, I beg to differ. Finns can “outdrunk” anyone (warning: stay away from a drunk Finn), but they are easily put under the table by your typical Frenchman or Irishman. In terms of sheer volume, nobody outdrinks the Gallic/Celtic peoples of Western Europe. Go into a French cafe or Dublin pub in the morning, afternoon and evening and you’ll see what I mean.

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  152. 129 hello:

    That’s an exaggerated generalization. Some women are exactly like that, some are half and half, some aren’t like that all. Do you have a mother, sisters, female friends? Do they ALL conform to that description?

    No, but the ones that don’t usually aren’t hot and/or lack healthy sex drives.

    A losing proposition.

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  153. 136 John:

    Monogamous marriage is to the benefit of society. Read the chapter “Polygamy and the Nature of Men” in the book “The Red Queen.” When you have 20% of women married to an elite 10% of men, you’re going to have the male proles fighting each other for the remaining 80%.

    You misunderstood me.

    I was asking if it is worth marrying a woman — and thereby putting 50% of your earnings at risk, at the very least — if her choice is not “free”, but instead “enforced” by cultural shaming.

    Would YOU enjoy a sexless marriage?

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  154. 141 PA:

    Heh. Is that what she told you? Women will always tell you the second, third, and fiftieth reason for breaking up with you. But they will never tell you the reason that is almost always their number one: their attraction for you was never very high, or if it was, it dropped to where she no longer wants to be with you.

    Please, PA, have a heart.

    There are only so many soul-killing terror-truths a man can withstand at any given moment in time.

    That said, great minds think alike PA 😉

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  155. Where has Hope been recently? I miss her comments.

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  156. 148 chic/roissy:

    I love everything about them really.

    have you ever fucked an asian man?

    Doubtful.

    But I’m sure she loves them…in the same way a frightened girl will cling to her teddybear at night to keep the meanies away.

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  157. Where has Hope been recently? I miss her comments.

    Well, she said she won’t be posting here again. I didn’t expect her to make such a quiet exit, but it looks like she meant it.

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  158. 156 Michael Blowhard:

    Where has Hope been recently?

    She’s busy sticking pins into voodoo dolls of certain commenters here.

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  159. “No, but the ones that don’t usually aren’t hot and/or lack healthy sex drives.

    A losing proposition.”

    I know a lot of nerdy betas and although none of them have 10s, most have attractive to average wives and gfs. The ones with attractive women seem no happier in their relationships than the ones with average-looking women. I don’t know any guy who embraces celibacy because he can’t afford to buy the affections of Angelina Jolie. I know women who refuse to date because they can’t attract George Clooneys but most guys, after failing to win bombshells end up dating and having relationships with less stunning women who have compatible personalities.

    What a weird blog this is.

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  160. 160 hello:

    I don’t know any guy who embraces celibacy because he can’t afford to buy the affections of Angelina Jolie.

    False alternative. Try again.

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  161. 141 PA

    Heh. Is that what she told you? Women will always tell you the second, third, and fiftieth reason for breaking up with you. But they will never tell you the reason that is almost always their number one: their attraction for you was never very high, or if it was, it dropped to where she no longer wants to be with you.

    155 Tupac Chopra

    There are only so many soul-killing terror-truths a man can withstand at any given moment in time.

    That said, great minds think alike PA 😉

    Oh, I’m perfectly aware of this. But what ended the girl’s initial interest? Discussing things in a too cold-heartedly logical manner instead of manipulating what I said to try to increase rather than decrease attraction. The easiest such manipulation I could have done was to keep mum about my atheism and pretend to be more “spiritual” to build rapport.

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  162. Tupac Chopra,
    According to your posts beautiful, horny women-the only ones who interest you- are immoral scumbags. Are you a pump-and-dump guy like Roissy? The reason I suggested “embrace celibacy” is that it’s hard to believe that any guy getting regular sex could be so intensely bitter towards women. Are you divorced by any chance?

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  163. “The easiest such manipulation I could have done was to keep mum about my atheism and pretend to be more “spiritual” to build rapport.”

    How religious was she? Religion, or lack there of, matters in a LTR. Again, your best bet may be to look to Asia .

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  164. 162 Chris:

    Discussing things in a too cold-heartedly logical manner instead of manipulating what I said to try to increase rather than decrease attraction.

    That’s a start.

    But more importantly:

    The easiest such manipulation I could have done was to keep mum about my atheism and pretend to be more “spiritual” to build rapport.

    Why in God’s name would you even *want* to discuss atheism? Forget women, this should be a concern of yours regarding your social calibration in general. Fuck, atheism is a *lack* of belief. And you want to go on and on about a LACK of belief? Surely there are more meaningful and enriching discussions to be had.

    Strident atheists like Dawkins are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

    Go forth and sin no more.

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  165. 164 hello

    How religious was she? Religion, or lack there of, matters in a LTR. Again, your best bet may be to look to Asia .

    She wasn’t actually very religious at all, which is why I thought it was fine to be open about my thinking on the subject. I was wrong.

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  166. 163 hello (is this the best handle you could come up with?):

    According to your posts beautiful, horny women-the only ones who interest you- are immoral scumbags.

    ?

    Are you a pump-and-dump guy like Roissy?

    I’m someone who would probably not mind having an exclusive relationship at this time but am too aware of the reality of female psychology to do so with anything but the most exacting standards. So, in the meantime I entertain myself with the only value they usually possess. Does that make me a pump-and-dumper? I’m asking seriously.

    Are you divorced by any chance?

    Hell no. I’m an informed consumer.

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  167. *nodding* Don’t lie if a woman asks outright “Do you believe in God?”, but in general downplay it. Richard Dawkins is the LAST person on earth to copy social skills off of.

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  168. 165 Tupac Chopra

    Why in God’s name would you even *want* to discuss atheism? Forget women, this should be a concern of yours regarding your social calibration in general. Fuck, atheism is a *lack* of belief. And you want to go on and on about a LACK of belief? Surely there are more meaningful and enriching discussions to be had.

    Strident atheists like Dawkins are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

    I’m not strident; I’m quite tolerant of others’ spiritual beliefs. (I find Dawkins annoying too.) It’s just that this tolerance is often not reciprocated.

    I did not go “on and on about a lack of belief.” But I also did not provide an inspiring, partly fictional narrative about what motivated me and where I was going, when I needed to offer that. I was scrupulously honest, to the detriment of my storytelling. Next time, I will try to correct this mistake.

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  169. “I’m someone who would probably not mind having an exclusive relationship at this time but am too aware of the reality of female psychology to do so with anything but the most exacting standards.”

    “would probably not mind” There’s a ringing endorsement!

    “So, in the meantime I entertain myself with the only value they usually possess. Does that make me a pump-and-dumper? I’m asking seriously.”

    If you really wanted an LTR you’d look for a woman who met your (realistic) beauty standards and who had the best personality and values you could find. So I’d say yes, you’re a pump and dump guy. However if you genuinely don’t want a relationship you’d make any girlfriend miserable so you’re better off doing what you’re doing. As long as they understand that’s it’s just fun.

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  170. I love everything about them really.

    have you ever fucked an asian man?

    D
    Crude

    SMDH

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  171. I like Finns, but they are a different breed from other Scandinavians. They are Finno-Ugric people of West Asian origin, as opposed to the Germanic people of the rest of Scandinavia. Finnish women are some of the best in Europe, and they keep their looks for a long time.

    The language comes from the Urals but genetically we Finns have long since mixed with our southern and western neighbours.

    This is a group photo of the current cabinet.

    But as for their drinking ability, I beg to differ. Finns can “outdrunk” anyone (warning: stay away from a drunk Finn), but they are easily put under the table by your typical Frenchman or Irishman. In terms of sheer volume, nobody outdrinks the Gallic/Celtic peoples of Western Europe. Go into a French cafe or Dublin pub in the morning, afternoon and evening and you’ll see what I mean.

    Finns tend to be binge dringers.

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  172. […] 2008 Comment Winner award with his pithy aphorism in the comments section of the post about Obama’s women: Success with women is more disillusioning than […]

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  173. I am going to have to switch sides in the War on Terror. Islamic Sharia Law in the West is still a preferable outcome to feminazi leftism.

    Islam is the only force that can force back feminism, and quickly.

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  174. […] already written about Obama’s women, and the sexual mores of girls who voted for him, so there aren’t many new lessons to glean […]

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  175. […] who decided, when push came to shove, that bird murder was preferable to flashing their tits are Obama voters. The twenty girls who clicked next right away to leave the bird to its doom are lawyers. The guys […]

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  176. The problem is the GOP can get the wrong idea and do everything it can to win back the single female vote by pandering to it.

    Remember that Prohibition happened because spineless male politicians *assumed* that the upcoming female vote (suffrage was not yet in effect) would want alcohol to be banned. Suffrage almost started a civil war and someone might want to research whether that calamity at least put the brakes on further calamities for a few decades.

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  177. Roissy you need a new trick 🙂

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