Are PUAs Douchebags And Hucksters?

Kidstrangelove sent in a link to a video of self-proclaimed top PUA gurus attempting to demonstrate their craft by picking up a hot talk show host. He wanted to know if I agreed that the PUAs embarrassed themselves. I saw the video (which has now been made private) and do agree that the PUAs do not come off looking very suave. If this is all I knew of them, and I was in the market to learn game, I would not give my money to them for instruction.

But to be fair to the parade of men who threw their worst best game at a female talk show host who was anticipating their moves and relishing the thought of humiliating them on live TV, they were playing against a stacked deck. Few men, no matter how smooth they are with women in real life, will come off looking good under those circumstances.

So I cut them a break for their woeful performances. But this does lead one to wonder why high profile PUAs would risk certain embarrassment and discredit to their business model by hawking their skills on a talk show where all the rules are in the female host’s favor and the whole thing is a set-up to entrap the PUA into making a fool of himself. I doubt even Mystery — a man who has certainly banged more hot babes than 99% of the men in the world can claim to have banged — would do well in such a distorted scenario.

The only explanation that makes sense is that the desire for fame exceeds common sense. Maybe these guys think “Hey, I have a low chance of avoiding humiliation by doing this, but the TV exposure will certainly redound to more clients for my workshops and more chicks on my schlong.” They might be right; who knows, I don’t see their financial or bedroom balance sheets.

“Bro-town”

Kidstrangelove then linked to this post by a guy named Rob Judge (reputedly one of NYC’s best players), who eviscerates (semi-justifiably, in my view) a lot of the silliness that passes for PUAdom.

The Pickup Artist is no longer someone who walks among us. The term, once a secret endearment to men on the Internet, has become a label of satire and shame. To aspire to be a PUA—or the ever-lofty mPUA—is now, ironically, the most rAFC you could do. Because The Pickup Artist is dead… […]

Let me ask you this, Pickup Artist: If you weren’t allowed to tell anyone you got that girl’s number, would it still be cool? Would you still take her number and run like a thief in the night? Or would you shift your focus from getting #-closes to actually trying to get girls.

In fact, that brings up an important point: Why ARE you doing this? Why are you studying pickup material, involved in the community, and reading this blog? Is it to meet awesome women? Or is it to get the awesome approval of guys?

See, almost every guy will scream at me, “It’s to meet awesome women!” But what do those same guys scream when they do meet awesome women…”LAY REPORT BRO!!!” These same guys who claim they’re out to meet women are the first ones on the Brag Express with a one-way ticket to Bro-town whenever they do anything that resembles meeting an awesome woman.

Lay reports can serve as a useful learning tool for newbies, as long as they are written in the spirit of knowledge sharing and analytic insight. But too often, they degenerate into bragging matches, and that’s where the douchery rears its ugly head. Back in the day, on sites like Fastseduction.com, lay reports were gold mines of insider knowledge about the workings of the female mind; today, more of them resemble the chest-thumpings of frat boys and nerds speaking through Casanova avatars.

As those who know me very well know, I ring the death knell of The Pickup Artist because I want to see guys actually meet and attract awesome women. And The Pickup Artist will not help you do that. In fact, the first thing any guys who wants to meet and attract awesome women has to do is sift through his intentions. He must remove any inkling of “Bro-town” from his approach. I challenge you not to tell a soul about your “infield accomplishments” for a full month and see how much better you are at attracting quality women.

OK, so this guy Rob Judge is marketing himself by positioning his business model as the antidote to widely assumed PUA hucksterism and douchiness. Nothing wrong with that, but it does suggest his slam of the PUA community should be taken with a grain of salt.

The useful advice here is that you should live your womanizing life as if the opinions of men didn’t matter to you. In real life, I rarely broadcast my pickups. Truth is, I can’t be bothered. The allure of recounting in vivid detail last night’s seduction with a bunch of male friends lost its appeal after legal drinking age. Sure, if I take a call from a really good friend the next day, I’ll tell him about the chick I scored. That will never change. But most of the time, my pickups, my flings, my one night stands, and even my long term hookups, remain shrouded in shadowy mystery from the eyes of acquaintances. Often, very good friends won’t meet my girlfriends until a month after I have been dating them. My friends don’t seem bothered by this; in fact, they admire it, because it shows I’m serious about the effort I put into romancing women.

This attitude imparts my lifestyle with a bit of gravitas and, more practically speaking, allows me a measure of control over my relationships (and my ex-relationships) that would be harder to attain were the whole world to know every detail of my licentious misdeeds. And it does matter for pickup success; when it’s just me versus the women of the world, and not me and my bros versus the women of the world, I can better focus on the task at hand. Women will know, too, if your motives are tainted with anything but achieving the heights of pleasure with them.





Comments


  1. Women do have sensitive radar.

    They can smell a whole range of things.

    Best to be discreet. As a rule.

    Unless it’s a particularly good story.

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  2. on October 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    Pretty much agree with this entire post. Other than a few friends, i have little to no desire to talk about how I bent this girl i’m dating over the bed last night. Offers me nothing.

    Like the Godfather says: “Never let them know what you’re thinking.”

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  3. Besides some sharing of advice on this and Roosh’s site, I’m not too experienced with the inner depths of the online seduction community….. but my experience with the internet confirms its probably gets carried away by keyboard jockeys with nothing of value to add.

    I do like discussing recent female developments with my close friends though. As long as we all have the same goals and are on the same page in our lives, we can compare notes and share knowledge… not to mention attack clubs with even stronger game.

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  4. @R

    Any press is good press for PUAs. How else are they going to compete with Mystery & David Delangelo? Going on a TV show with the label “master or professional” PUA is good to their business regardless of their performance. Just like having an Ivy League on a resume, perception counts.

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  5. It certainly is interesting how these “anti-PUAs” like Rob Judge and David Wygant are still teaching and marketing their various seduction systems which are pretty much exactly like all the other self-professed Pick-up Artists. It’s all just one big circle jerk to see which guru can out-Alpha the other gurus.

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  6. OT from the post, but here is a definite alpha, no matter how you wish to define it. In evolutionary terms, he is an incredible success.
    http://www.afrik-news.com/article18354.html

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  7. Vast majority of PUA (including some spewage here) is snake oil.

    Most of it is knock offs of 70s sales guides (zig zigler) on how to qualify, close & sell.

    Yes, some tips, form, attitude are useful; but, not game-changing. If u are shy, lame, lazy, broke, PUA will not change that; maybe get you lucky with a babe who has ADD, nympho or some other issue, and by AM its over.

    Key is can you sustain pickup for a real relationship; ie, dating an 8-10 for a 6mos+, and sharing her with family, life experiences, etc.

    Picking up a string of Ho’s is basically same as hiring Ho’s; including $, disease, despair, and all that.

    ps,

    still no evaluation of Duke fuck list, though we have plenty of angr white man, hate’age, and other nonsense……

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  8. Be you a gent or an arsehole, you should be discreet about your conquests. Even the most whorish of girls don’t like their slutty ways being described second-hand to a bunch of drunken betas.

    As for the whole PUA thing, I’ll stick with our host’s advice: He doesn’t advertise and he doesn’t profiteer, unless Mystery or Roosh are giving him a cut. This NY fellow makes some good points, but he is also selling a product

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  9. Silver Fox,

    While a lot of the Pick-up stuff is nonsense, some of the theory is genuinely revolutionary. The usage of negs and the breakdown and analysis of the interaction between men and women- it’s a lot more complicated than sales. There are a lot more gifted salesmen than truly gifted ladykillers. And one does not always make the other

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  10. on October 8, 2010 at 12:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think the pua thing is pushed so the american bitches will be payed attention to rather than a shitload of guys just playing video games all day and saying fuck it.

    They are trying to keep the divorce mill running and maybe trying to give some incentive to get out of house.

    Most guys will not be able to say no to marriage nor will they be able to do much once they are married to western woman.

    Bars and clubs should obviously be sponsering these guys as they are helping get a bunch of people to go out and spend money.

    I think key is prob avoid western woman save your money and work and then travel to fuck and game.

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  11. chatoe & coe:

    But this does lead one to wonder why high profile PUAs would risk certain embarrassment and discredit to their business model by hawking their skills on a talk show where all the rules are in the female host’s favor and the whole thing is a set-up to entrap the PUA into making a fool of himself.

    Self-aggrandizement…spurred by the social reward of recognition and its concomitant drapes of fame and money.

    No diff than punk gungslingers shooting it out for fame.

    You’re viewing what are basically socially-stunted male losers play a GAME of “let’s pretend to be desirable.”

    It’s not called “game” purely for naught.

    Some fake it until they make it…with that desperate interim part of “until” exposed with all its warts – for all to see on TV.

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  12. Every man wants to, indeed needs to, achieve mastery, victory, success. Some achieve that on the battlefield, some on the sports field, and some in the boardroom. I suspect that many of these PUAs want the victory as much as the actual sex. The lay reports celebrate a victory not a pleasurable encounter.
    [Of course, some want new customers for their “workshops” and “bootcamps.”]

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  13. Peter,

    All hail the GNP

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  14. Learning about Game caused me to learn so much about women that it made my head spin and made me completely change my approach to women.

    I don’t consciously go out and try to pick up women (I use online dating) but my general interactions with women are now vastly different than from my younger days. I understand women far more.

    The tactics of Game and PUA might be snake oil for some. But the knowledge about women is incredibly useful in all social situations where there are dames present.

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  15. These PUA guys teach men how to get women by talking. I’ve been around women for way too long, and I know that you cannot out talk a woman forever. They want the Testosterone, that’s what makes the difference between a dude being hot/sexy/alpha to women and a dude being entertaining or a lame. When you get your T up, the way you relate to everyone, including women, changes. Game will become a hell of alot easier. PUA’s wont admit this though, because they may of not of experienced it and/or they need people to keep the money/attention coming in.

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  16. How long until Roissy and others have a field day with the Duke powerpoint sex scandal? Love how she slept with basically the entire LAX team and then makes a powerpoint about it. See the powerpoint here…

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6962015-complete-slideshow-karen-owens-flist-has-become-an-internet-hit/content/64875867-karen-owen-s-duke-sex-rating-powerpoin

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  17. Not a good video. But they are trying their best *

    Gawd in heaven its…KTLA! They are hilarious as a media outlet. I sure don’t miss KFI-land (which is a LA radio station not tv).

    Gunsslingergreg, has some points: stimulate the economy, create hope and interest in dating/love and keep the attorneys crunching all while getting laid…dear Lord in heaven, these are dark days (lol). men today need hope b/c many do say, “lets game, hell with her and hey, I am keeping my money for myself”.

    A PUA summit sounds kinda fun to observe/attend, etc. Totally harmless.

    PUA-land is totally harmless, everything is in good fun. Everything is applicable but everything may not be workable for each person. Men pursuing women is always good, etc. All common knowledge.

    A woman can decide whether she wants to say, “I’m not interested”, etc. No one needs to be directly labeled “creepy, deceptive or bad” for using PUA skills.

    I have read very critical aspects of PUA. They have points, we all have points, so what.

    What works for each man may not work for another. Anyone can involve themselves in douchebaggery, hopefully no one does. That means us ladies and the men SHOULD act like good people and respect others.

    Therefore, I say men are just men no one is a creep, no one is a douchbag, no one is “bad”. Until they choose to act for the good or for the bad I hold judgements.

    “I think I met me someone who might use these skills”. I am not sure, but Ii say he is a great guy. So there, critics. This lady ain’t condemning PUA’s.

    Happy friday, gang.

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  18. on October 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm here is the video

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  19. The woman’s equivalent of game = high heels, sexy clothes, fake tits, all in an attempt to make themselves look sexy and they believe they are sexy.

    So what if a guy wants to learn game to appear more desirable ? Women do the same. And men are fooled every time.

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  20. She doesn’t know that Feminism killed society.

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  21. Problem with “game” as an industry is that it has become one big joke.

    There are so many guys out there who read “The Game,” hit the bars & clubs hard for several months, got laid a few times by some drunk sluts, and now all of the sudden want to run $3,000 weekend boot camps and sell DVD-box sets on “How to pick up women for real.”

    The number of fakes, conartists, retards, and other assorted trash in the game industry now-a-days makes these scumbags seem lower than used-car salesmen. Hell, I would trust a street vendor before I would trust a “game guy.”

    Seriously, talking about “Game” to normal everyday people (and not the omega keyboard jockeys on this blog) always results in a chuckle and some snarky remark like: “So I guess when you go out you will start wearing a fluffy hat and a cape.”

    I think if the game industry is going to survive long-term, then it needs to grow up.

    The guys who can really teach “game,” should probably call themselves something other than a PUA, like dating coach or lifestyle coach or something else.

    Also, the over-the-top false promises need to go. In reality, different people will have different levels of success with game. Selling your services like some late-night infomercial would is not a great way to add credibility or $$$ to your wallet (ex. “My boot camp will make you a lady killer, guaranteed”).

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  22. It’s a news set, there’s 3 amog/cock blocks and pressure’s on. They open.

    The point of game is to open many different sets, project an air of confidence, don’t give a crap about what people think and eventually you’ll close.

    Where it fails is if you think you can use game to get “the one”…biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig mistake.

    This video doesn’t do the PUA “business” any favours, but it has little to zero impact on game except to demonstrate that in each case, the “pua” negged her, did push-pull, asked her open-ended questions,initiated kino right away, tried to number close with confidence.

    Note even the first guy “Johnny”—says “I’ve got a secret to tell you…” great opener, she’s intrigued. Then he gets her to stand up–compliance…

    2:29 : Super quick question….

    2:36 initiates kino, “what would you recommend doing? qualification line…immediately puts her in his frame…”Is this a test?….”

    3:25: Red wine or white wine? ….Oh, that says a lot about you—great neg…. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A NEG GUYS!!!

    So where’s the failure in this except that they’re put on the spot. But who cares? Certainly not them. They can brush it off because they’re alpha and this is an “early set”.

    Secondly the male anchors with their feedback clearly seem threatened and beta. They’re so try-hard with their “feedback”.

    Some great stuff in this clip if you know what to look for.

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  23. Mystery did:

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  24. If Mr. Von Marcovik really wanted to get into Chelsea Handler’s pants,
    he should’ve dressed up in a monkey suit
    and rapped a .50 Cent tune
    justsayin’

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  25. walawalawala

    So where’s the failure in this except that they’re put on the spot. But who cares? Certainly not them. They can brush it off because they’re alpha and this is an “early set”.

    Some great stuff in this clip if you know what to look for.

    You be sure and point out that ‘good stuff’ in there for us.

    It’s a fitting application of (dare I say, Justice) that PUA douchery has settled in LA – the ultimate self-conscious and egocentric lifefstyle city embracing the empty – worshiped by a rapt, yet retarded American Culture.

    More than Just – it’s comically ironic that PUA runs headlong into the barbed wire that is a KTLA – hosted by a blond, siliconed bim.

    my friday’s too good to bestow more gems
    mout

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  26. > Most guys will not be able to say no to marriage nor will they be able to do much once they are married to western woman.

    Then clearly, most guys are even weaker than I am. I generally can’t say no to beer, but I refused to marry my GF for 7 years straight (i am also upfront about it and will tell it to anyone who cares to list). And I don’t intend on changing that anytime soon.

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  27. KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  28. When I watched that video, it made me think that those PUAs were all validation whores who just wanted to go on TV without seeing that the whole thing was an obvious setup. They should have asked the channel to let them do an infield.

    From reading the Judge article, I got a laugh. But honestly, a lot of the stuff he describes is mostly Mystery’s fault. He was the man who sold a one-size-fits-all model for seduction (read VAH and see how dogmatic he sounds), without regard to the fact that everyone works differently, and you should do things you are congruent with. Can you imagine Situation and Pauly D from Jersey Shore doing palm reading and random magic tricks? I didn’t think so.

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  29. welcome back, peter.

    i thought the rob judge link was interesting. he’s wrong that most guys want to learn about pickup, or are fascinated by it, in order to impress other men. that doesn’t follow at all from his conversation with the hot chick- a total non-sequitur. she was basically saying it’s ridiculous how phony some of the PUA stuff is. that is obviously how the routines come off to women when they are not working.

    and that gets to the point that routines and canned openers are not really the way to go unless they are congruent with who a guy really is. magic tricks and outrageous dress work for mystery because they augment his particular type of charisma. they won’t work at all for different kinds of men. internalize the principles – confidence, dominance, indifference to outcome- and fit them to yourself, is the way to go.

    team roissy is correct above that in ordinary circumstances a guy doesn’t share bedroom info with other guys. and that’s because team roissy isn’t selling anything, unlike rob judge or any of the other workshop or book guys.

    the LA local news clip was awful- they were being set up to fail, obviously. maybe because the LA PUA douche has become such a recognizable type there that a set news piece mocking them was a rational editorial decision for that local station.

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  30. OT, but possibly a topic for a future blog post?

    Given the sexually permissive culture, easy online anonymity (e.g., Craigslist) and the bad economy, how many women in their 20s and 30s are turning to part-time prostitution to pay their bills?

    And how would a guy ever find out his gf has been an escort in the past?

    I was conversing with a woman I met online, and even after I made it clear I had no interest in her, we kept on talking and she revealed that she was an escort for a portion of her 20s. She’s now 33 and on the hunt for a LTR. Yikes!

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  31. My conversation with this woman is here:
    http://mgtow.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=3634

    So many of the elements that CR discusses are on full display in this woman’s writing.

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  32. on October 8, 2010 at 4:05 pm Beautiful truths ignored

    “Are PUAs Douchebags?”

    This was answered when you reported that non-wirgin brides are much more likely to get divorced.

    Everytime a PUA seduces and de-flowers a virgin, its one more nail in the coffin of western civilization.

    The Frankfurt School would be proud.

    [Editor: Do you think the women had some say in their deflowering?]

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  33. Non-virgin brides not divorcing doesn’t really tell you much. The marriage could be miserable but she doesn’t leave because she’s from a very conservative culture/family. Similarly, he might not leave b/c he’s from the same culture. He could also be very inexperienced and thus not leave because he’s afraid he can’t find another girl.

    I come from a very conservative culture. I can assure you that many of the women from that culture who got married in the last 20 years in the US were virgins. And the divorce rate is extremely low – 5% tops. Are the rest happy marriages? Hardly.

    OK, so the odds you get divorce-raped are lower with a virgin bride, but that doesn’t translate to happiness.

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  34. I think the term is skeevey, that’s what that video felt like.

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  35. //I come from a very conservative culture. I can assure you that many of the women from that culture who got married in the last 20 years in the US were virgins. And the divorce rate is extremely low – 5% tops. Are the rest happy marriages? Hardly.//

    Is that a problem with virginity or with the taboo against divorce, or other factors like ridiculously high expectations and skewed post-Christian priorities? I say the latter three.

    Also, you might want to think about the trade offs between “happy marriages” and good society. Divorce rates show not everyone has a happy marriage even in a culture which allows them multiple tries.

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  36. TWL

    There’s an obvious correlation between society and the relationships it encourages.

    While it’s too early to tell what a polyamorous society could do for progress and happiness, a beta-placating society like the one in the 1900s is a likely candidate for the society that is best for everyone, though not for the alpha.

    Honestly, I don’t think the one we have now is best for alphas either. It allows easy pussy for all, but it just doesn’t seem like a good situation for anyone.

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    2) teh asscocking and anal sexing of girls with the assockcers and secrteive tapers of butthex who lie about tehir heiaght and are short, lying, douchbages being promoted as heores, while those bleeding to death in the neocns wars on foreign shores are ignored lzozlzlzlzzlzo
    3) the constant barrage of ant-soul eductaion telling girls that their strong father who is trying to keep the short, lying docuhebag’s cock out of her ass and teh storng father who would beat the shit out of the assocker and short, lying secretive taper of butthex is really just oprressing her, and after ahwiel girls really ebgin to beleiev that teh fiat dollar is god and that ass cocking is tehir divine right and that any one who comes out agiants secrteiev tapings of asscockinsg is really just repressed. lzozlzlz
    4) freud took everyying virtuius like love and committment and refusing temptations and labeled it a “repression” in the same way a fiat dollar takes everyoneg good like a hard day’s work and renders it worthless as the fiat master hire a police force to sezie the property ans assets while trianing women to lure men into marrigae and to “tame them” in jonah goldberg’s words and seize their asstts lzozlzlz. for the only problem with a fiat debt based dollar i=s that it is the opposite of welath lzozlzlz and thus the fiat masters devote tehir lives to rtrying to conbevert debt based fiat dollars into physical wealth and property which is why they come up with mba buzzwords and mba bubbles as the dot com bubble and real estate bubble and al l bubbles are the conscious mechanism via which fiat debt is covnerted into phsyical property as all teh risk is socilaized an dall teh profits privataized as worthless debt rtickles on down and phsycial proeprty and welath trickler on up form teh workwer creater artist and musician to the ifat matsers lzozlzozlzlzl and so the world is inverted as those who create are robbed, and those who bullshit are rewarded lzozlzlzozzlzlzl that is why leftists come out againats property rigts amnd anyone who advocates a fiat currency is aginst property rights lzozlzozzlzl as they want to be able to buy and seize your property by doing nothing but cxreatinge fiat debt zlzozlzl which is why they had to kill the family and debauch teh cultrue and currency lzozlzozlzl and kill teh heoric spirit and replace homer moses socrates aeneies with tcuekr max lzozllzlzl their butthexual secrteive tpaer of sodomy without teh girl’s conthen “siux foot tall” hero lzozlzlz

    which brings us to the PUA movementy

    as girls are deosuled and desouled and trained by the fed to seize a man’s assets and use their sex appeal not to serva a husband abnd fmaily but to transfer assets and weatlth form men to their pimp daddy ben beranke lzozlzlzlzlzl, by and by trhey lose their worth to men.

    i mean lzozllzzl we’re not all that stoooopid lzozlz.

    as a girl is deosuled in teh fiat fed noecon assocking secrteive tapings of butthex sessions, and converted into a soulless instrument of wealth transfer, her only value lies in the titllation that she provides, while the enertal chance for immortal love that our grandparenst knew and which fmeinsit professors label opression as the fed funds them to do, is lost forever lzozlzlzlzlzl!!

    like a wise ghirl who wnats to live the glory honorable story of bride wife mother must strt as a vergin and then forver sevre and be loyal to one man lozzllzlzl

    lzozlzlzllles! go all the femtards who are stoo stoopid and take lotsa cocka in all tehir orifices na dthen go “where idd lal the good men go?” when they hit 40 lzozlzlz google that roissy cartoone “where did all teh good men go? ms paint roissy cartoon” lzozlzlzl

    http://roissy.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/2.jpg?w=500&h=375

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/ms-paint-windows-to-the-soul/

    well anywayz as behind every woman now stands a banker pimp going “BE SURE TO GET AS MUCHMONEY OUT OF TEH BETAS AS POSSIBLE AND IN RETURN WE PROMISTE YOU SECRETIVETAPINGS FROM ASSOCKING ALPHAS FILMED WITHOUT YOUR CONTHENT,” it only makes sense that a man’s goal by and by beocmes to get a smuch sex as possible without paying for it lzozlzlzozlzlz.

    and that’s where game comes in.

    becayuse teh federal reserve funded feminisma nd cretaed feminisms to transfer welath from men to the fed, break up teh family, but teh kids in corprate state daycare, and expand teh powers of teh stae into teh home, repalcing teh classical rugged fateh with fiat cash, the fed created the PUA game by changing the game and stakcing it against men lzozlzlzlzllz

    now the fed also supports the PUA game as men wearing furry hats and spenidng tehir days working wmeiangless jobs while buying books on game purporting to help them get tehir cocks wet onece every two years is exactly what the fed wants. they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlzl

    and so you get what we have here, which is the wya he wants it, well he gets it. some men you just can’t reach. lzozlzlzlzlzlzzlzl

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  38. @Bastrop

    Most black guys I have met have an in-built evolutionary PUA manual built into them while they are in the womb lol. I reckon its to do with the naturally higer T-cell count they are carrying.

    With regards to the UK PUA scene? Well, alot of the guys peddling their wares are exclusive London club promoters. Theres perhaps only one UK PUA you american guys have heard of, and its how he started. He would promote exclusive night-clubs and bring paid girls with him to give the club a veneer of cool for all the top punters (in order to be a member you have to prove you earn over £50,000 a year). Photos etc. were all done with these girls. He even let slip in one of his early sarging diaries that his job and subsequent social circle was a huge DHV and that he didnt really need Game at all. He starred in an episode on a UK documentary, and all that was info was missing. Instead, we got the story about how in his year book he was awarded “guy least likely to get a girlfriend” . . . . . .Boo Hoo. Next thing you know, he is the top UK PUA and he was booking clients left right and centre. He has more or less retired from the scene now.

    Theres a famous London PUA group who were founded the same way (club promoters). If you boys are ever in London, head up to Leicester Square. You will see packs of guys who really need help, dressed up like Mystery being forcibly pushed onto foreign tourists and getting them to open on them. Maybe those extreme situations helps them get over their shyness, (like Hypnotica suggesting we should all go grocery shopping in a dress and with a dildo on our heads) but really, these guys need alot more constructive help than that. £3,000 later and “thanks very much. Just wear that cowboy hat boys . . . . . . .Yep, it’ll work, trust us.” Poor bastards. Would never pay for a boot-camp, sounds big-headed but never had a prob pulling 8’s in my life. My body tones up really well and I have high cheekbones and good even features.

    I wouldn’t call myself a true PUA, but then again, I like to fuck women, so whether or not I conciously break down the seduction process or not, I’m doing the same thing – we all are. Thanks to Game though, I am fascinated by Social Dynamics, and its introduced me to the works of David M.Buss and NLP. I dont subscribe to everything, I take what I feel is practical. Stuff like body posture and shit-testing have helped me and its fun to watch/read about. I wouldn’t say its made me a master, but its helped. Its helped me gain confidence in not just attraction, but in virtually every social context – particularly at work. I’m currently employing a diet-coke “arsehole game” at the moment for a laugh (no canned material, no DHV’s with travel pictures etc.) and I cannot believe how effective it is. Seriously, before I do/say something “assish” my English “Richard Curtis” brain says “no way this will work . . .no way”. Sure enough it does. The one thign I have taken from the Chateau and I wish to push is Arsehole game. Just make sure its you version of an arsehole and not someone elses.

    Sorry for the long post, and its the main reason why I dont post usually. My main sticking point at the begining of my PUA adventure was the classic putting women on a pedestal. The combination of Roissy/Tom Leykis/Dick Masterson/Mystery have helped me over-come that. now whenever I see any women, I automatically assume she has already had over 100 multi-coloured cocks, had every orifice penetrated and probably has a fuck-buddy/boyfriend right now. I dont have any expectations of here or expect to help enrich my life at all. I have to say, it has helped me immeasurably.

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  39. @twl

    Is that a problem with virginity or with the taboo against divorce, or other factors like ridiculously high expectations and skewed post-Christian priorities? I say the latter three.

    Peck beat me to it. Women who are virgins on their wedding day will tend to come from very religious or otherwise very conservative cultures, so those other factors you mention are not uncorrelated with their virginity.

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  40. The first guy on that video was cringeworthy awful. Please tell me he’s not representative of the cream of the alpha crop in that town.

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  41. A PUA thinks about stuff like ‘social proof’, ‘timebridges’, ‘AMOGs’, ‘peacocking’, ‘openers’, ‘Comfort building’ to get a girl.

    however…

    It’s the MAN that doesn’t put obstacles between himself and the girl, that gets the girl.

    Get girls…not game.

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  42. on October 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozlozlzlzlzl an ew a new post at my blog!!! lzozlzlzlzl saluting da roissy!!!

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/a-lot-of-my-greatest-hits-are-on-roissys-blog/

    a lot of my greatest hits are on roissy’s blog !!

    well i owe a lot 2 da roissy da master of da publishing atriculateness universe no loozlzoolzozoing here like roissy puts out more quality content in a day than the huffingtonpuffpost puts out in a year or two lzozlzolozoz puts out lzzozozolllzll omg lzozzlzlzlz so like i need 2 give back 2 da roissy

    many of my greatest hits are on da roissy blog coments as like rosisy is da lead alpha and i am like the beta like that fat dude that conan pobrien had sitting next to him his sidekick whatsihis name or i am like th epaul schaver to da david letterman or that drummer dude from leno or conan obrien lzozozozlzl i forget which all late night pretty much sucksuxbuttheettxtx anywho

    if you want 2 find more of my brillance google somethieng like greatbooksofrmen site:roissy.wordpress.com but like MAKE SURE YOU SPEELL IT RIRGHT!! OR YOU WON’t find nothings! lzozlzl or you can just google lzoozozl or googel lzozlzzl or google lzolzlzlzzl or try lozzozolzlzzll or google “lozlzozozl roissy” adn you will find all my brilliance all over da roissy blog jus like dat onetime i left my brilliance all over da chicks couch and we were lyingon the floor and i saw her little doggie chiwawaw little doggie chiwawa how the fuck do you spell chiwiwiaiaia????

    but what i am sayin the point is after i left my brillianece all over he couch lzozozozl ya know what i mean and we were cuddling on teh floor i saw her little annyoning dog on the couc h lickig licking licking it up and she looks over at it and says “doggie! What are you eating!?!?!?!” lzozlzllzlzl she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed as anyobody with iq knew dman well what the dogg was eating splooogeating lozozozlzozo but maybe she had been bernakifiediritalinized and had lost her marbles so i just saidm, “gee i dunno i musta dropped a potoao chip on the ocunch” cause were eating potato shcips and watching some stooooopid dvd before halfway through i couldn’t take teh hollywood crap anyome and i busted a move on her which led to da inandout lzozozozlzoz and eventually fed her dog, so like everyone won and so yu see that makin love isn’t a zero sum game like wallstreet whcih is actually a negaive sum game as there are transactions costs in every trade and plus a funny thing is that the fed isgonna buy stocks is buying stocks so now hhahaha lzozlzoloz whn they announce taht unemployment is going up gone up, thestock makret soars!!! lzozozozozozozo as unemployment means that the fedgoonna print more money increase dent and buy more stocks to put more peopel out of work so they can create more debt and the stcolk market goes up and up and up lzozozlllzzoooz like my cocka and then suddenly we are lying on the floor cuddling and she goes, “i wonder what my doggie is eating on da couch? and i say whatever it is it ain’t what the fedis msloking nro what they’r eblowin up your ass lzozozozlzlozozozoozlzlzozozl omg lzozozozlzlz

    any way earch fro gbfm or greatbooksformen n roissys blog andi any of you jobless smarties college phds want a job, feel free tomake d a rgreatbooksformen anthology zlzolzlzololzoozozozo

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  43. on October 8, 2010 at 6:38 pm Mr. Royal Mack

    Roissy My man you have got to read and talk about this tramp who talked about all the atheletes she slept with at Duke University.

    http://jezebel.com/5652114/college-girls-power-point-fuck-list-goes-viral-gallery

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  44. @chainring

    The conversation you had on the forum with that 30-something former hooker special snowflake was comedy gold. Such a great example of stream-of-consciousness female rationalization as I’ve never seen in such self-contradictory hamster-spinning glory before.

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  45. Forgot to say, It is good to see citizen renegade kick ass!

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  46. on October 8, 2010 at 7:29 pm anonymouses anonymous

    I will do FRs but not LRs. FRs do provide learning advice for others, but sex reports don’t do as well.

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  47. @chainring

    Wow, that was quite an exchange.

    The problem with learning game, banging more girls and reading these forums is that you can never go back to seeing women in the same way. It really is a red pill.

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  48. @Tinderbox

    The conversation you had on the forum with that 30-something former hooker special snowflake was comedy gold. Such a great example of stream-of-consciousness female rationalization as I’ve never seen in such self-contradictory hamster-spinning glory before.

    The rationalization hamster is quite a sight to behold when you can view it for an extended period as in that conversation. I’m glad I didn’t come crashing down on her earlier because she would have clammed up and we’d never have gotten to the prostitution revelation!

    That woman is the poster-child for many of Roissy’s maxims.

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  49. Rob Judge makes an excellent point and I do often wonder how many guys are in it to impress their friends (or strangely, themselves,) rather than to really meet girls. Counting notches rather than really enjoying the individual girls.

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  50. on October 8, 2010 at 8:30 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    butthex isin’t all it’s “cracked” up to be. lzozlzlozoz

    get it? buttcrack!! zlozozozzoozooozoozozozozozozlozozozolzozozozoz

    pw3d!!!! TGIF LZOPZOZLZLZLOZL

    have a good wekekedn roissy and everyone may all your fabtasies come true lozlozzlozlzz fantaisieiezs unless they are untwoard orunless they involve gbfm’s butthole lzoozozozl so many assockers trianed funded by by the fed sodom and shuster these days that nowhere is really safe zlozozo lzozlzozozozlzl

    lozlzozlzlzl

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  51. Have been waiting for Roissy to post something along these lines.

    The issue is that “Game” is relatively simple to explain (if hard to master), and therefore easy to glorify in the abstract.

    But, the majority of advice published under the “PUA” umbrella ranges from weird to creepy to extremely beta-ish to just downright bad. Some of the most laughable stuff on the internet has been published by “PUAs”. And all of the jargon betrays Game’s nerdy origins on usenet, parked right next to the star trek group.

    One big reason Roissy is fun to read is because he keeps the “game” talk on a high level and uses conversational english. He isn’t trying to productize a system of “pivot transitions into a phase 2 neg set” or “anchoring” cheesecake to your penis. Just real talk. Sometimes I wonder why Roissy associates with “Game” at all.

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  52. K. Gbfm knows what HE is talkin about. I love how he connects the dots on our fucked up society. And how back in my grandparents day they married each other and stuck with each other for life, because they had virtue and honor. Back in the day man help woman and vice versa. Women actually had a use. Imagine that. They cooked and cleaned and took care of the kids and house. And didn’t mind doing either. That’s the natural order of things until Fuckin feminism/Illumninati New world order Satanist homo pigs came into the picture.
    That’s why when this decrepit society does collapse, I won’t care. Mad max give me my Fuckin gun lets get busy.
    I’m so sick of the way society is.
    But it won’t change until we get rid of our Satanist overlords and create a new gold based currency.
    2012?
    Aliens?
    WW 3?
    Anything is better then this.
    Revolution will come.

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  53. White culture is just decades behind black culture.

    It took whites forever to come up with Mystery.

    Blacks had pea-cocking down to a science when they came up with the 70’s style pimps.

    The same “evolutions” in game that whitey is making now, the black man had down before you were even sperm in your daddy’s sack.

    Why do PUAs, pimps, and pimps exist?

    Because the women are so goddamn terrible as human beings, if men DIDN’T have game, no one would get laid.

    Except for bull-dykes.

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  54. Garvan

    White culture is just decades behind black culture.

    Tard.

    Black culture is a failure everywhere in the world. Blacks only do ok when in lefty white countries.

    Yeah the black politicos in Botswana and Barbados wisely let whites to economically run their countries – in Botswana by DeBeers, in Barbados by the white owned pinnacles of the tourism industry.

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  55. Woodins

    Most black guys I have met have an in-built evolutionary PUA manual built into them while they are in the womb lol. I reckon its to do with the naturally higer T-cell count they are carrying.

    What leftist American media propagandized crap. White men are naturally plenty masculine and cluster towards black men on that, e.g. compared to E. Asians, where the gap is much greater.

    The issue with gen Y white guys in the Angloshere is feminist propaganda and behavior control e.g. in schools directed overwhelmingly at white guys, with black guys tending to be left alone on this, for “multicultural” reasons.

    There are and were legions of white studs. Smart ones too. Smart black studs are rare.

    Propagandized fool.

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  56. Gen Y white guys are by and large pathetic.

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  57. on October 9, 2010 at 12:58 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’October 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm askjoe
    I think the term is skeevey, that’s what that video felt like.”””””’

    Yea that video was about hard as shit to watch. I could only handle watching a piece of it at a time and had to force myself to finish.

    Like they were trying too hard.

    Nobody even grabbed her drink and drank it he he he

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  58. I totally take the point here, but if you look at that video from a different standpoint, it’s not douchery, it’s very educational.

    Some points to note, the whole intro, bimbo anchor “Try out their best lines…’

    :19…”so Sam and Mark, learn a little something….” completely emasculates the two anchors who don’t respond.

    If anyone doubts the need to “neg” a hot chick when you first meet, her intro and attitude should convince.

    1:12: Anchor says “Two things that were plus, Specific compliment and he learned something about her…” he goes on to call it a total failure…

    But that guy completely misunderstands “plus” in the pick-up and game.

    This is why learning game is so important. That anchor totally doesn’t get it and until I learned game I would have thought this was a “try”….not really understanding what it was I was looking at and looking for.

    The first guy blows it BECAUSE he compliments her on her shoes. It’s NOT a “plus”.

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  59. I agree with Kid, this was pitiful to watch, yes those guys were set up, but for “masters” they shoulda had better lines/approaches, Speer looked awful(the first guy did ok), and that kramer guy around the 2:20 mark, would you seriously wanna learn pick up or seduction from him? hell naw

    Epic fail for the pua’s on this one, honestly I was not impressed at all

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  60. I find all those whites talking about the higher masculinity and sexual appeal of blacks to be pathetic beyond any repair.

    If you find them so attractive and manly screw them already.

    Jesus.

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  61. One thing,

    The boot camp idea is a heap of crap. Watching vulnerable schlubs blow their hard earned dough is tragic

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  62. Roissy, thoughts on this?

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/ambush_filmmaker_okeefe_tried_to_punk_seduce_cnn_r.php

    I don’t know who this guy is, but apparently he is tied into the ACORN thing also… Would he have been able to seduce her with the Alicia Keys music and dildo jars? :p

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  63. memcpy: are you a Slashdotter? If so, can you answer me why there is almost no discussion of PUA ever on Slashdot? It amazes me that that crowd is so smart yet so oblivious to a lot of things.

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  64. Woodins said:

    “Most black guys I have met have an in-built evolutionary PUA manual built into them while they are in the womb lol. I reckon its to do with the naturally higer T-cell count they are carrying.”

    I’m black so I can give you the real deal on this as relayed by family/friends and my own experiences.

    The only reason why black guys seem like they have game is because in black culture, black women choose the men. Black women will approach you and open you because they have high testosterone. Even the beta black guys get lays easily because they have mudsharks that will fuck ANY black guy and random fat/ugly/old women chasing them. I give them credit because they will approach anyone but they blow it because they say/do stupid shit and most women are not into them like black guys claim.

    Doug1 said:

    “The issue with gen Y white guys in the Angloshere is feminist propaganda and behavior control e.g. in schools directed overwhelmingly at white guys, with black guys tending to be left alone on this, for “multicultural” reasons.”

    “Smart black studs are rare.”

    I have to agree with these statements.

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  65. lol – trust me, you do not want to hear slashdotters talking about women

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  66. Other than the first, I don’t think any of those approaches would have seemed awkward or ill-conceived in an everyday public social context. It’s pretty clear that the host they were hitting on had already made up her mind to treat them like intimidating creeps. And under normal circumstances, stuttering nervously at friendly, open-ended questions makes you look stupid, not the person who’s asking. I actually thought the second guy came off pretty well until he was busted for being married. If I asked a girl for her first impression of me and she said “Sultry and serious,” I’d take it as a promising sign.

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  67. ‘game’ is founded on the principals of evolutionary psycholgy which, in turn, is founded on the principals of social Darwinism. It may seem comical at times, but a guy like Mystery is exploiting realities that were first expounded by guys with phd’s. Anyone read ‘the moral animal’?

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  68. Ever watch Birds in the park? All I see is game.

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  69. @JDog:

    that was a good find. People here should read that PowerPoint slide show. She speaks frankly and tells you what is important to women. She’s a slut, but an honest one.

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  70. @ Death vajra

    Robert Wright doesn’t have a PhD, but yeah, that’s a great book. I wish more “paleo-conservatives” would read his political commentary.

    Nice handle, btw.

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  71. @insahu,

    thanks 🙂

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  72. on October 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm menace II sobriety

    I watched the video and while I think playing the alpha versus beta game is embarrassing and pause-worthy, I have to say there was absolutely nothing alpha about any of those guys. Actually, looking back on everything I’ve seen about PUA or the Venusian arts or whatever the fuck its called, every video…there was nothing alpha about any of it. Slight of hand tricks, warcraft’esque acronym lingo…everything about it screams total faggotry and bitchassness. I respect dudes trying to better themselves and step up to the plate, refine their game, whatever… but people paying thousands of dollars for a seminar taught buy some beta in alpha jeans who’d get clowned anywhere in NYC outside of murray hill is not a good look. those people deserve to be taken for a ride.

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  73. on October 9, 2010 at 1:31 pm menace II sobriety

    also would like to ad… if im at a bar with a girl and some game-boy nerd tries to “initiate kino” with her or pulls some other played out Mystery shit … im either doing one of two things depending on my mood; sending him back to his friends with a round paid for by me , telling him to keep trying elsewhere… or … im open-hand slapping him like the bitch he is.

    step your money up, step your body up, step your clothes up (Im not talking about true religions, square-toes and some peacocking accessories either) , step your life up … but check the buffoonery at the door and leave it to people like mystery and michael scott.

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  74. Most PUAs today in fact are laughable douchebags, a shadow of what once was laudable. Popularity has, alas, largely killed off the PUA ‘community.’

    Game remains indispensable for every man in every station in life, no matter married or single, running one gal or ten. It adds value and brings initiative and control back where they belong — with the man. I have seen even nebbishy guys who normally couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of fifties start pulling 7s and 8s with the proper application of Game. It works. Period.

    As for PUAs – I admit I am one by any definition – the longer I play the part the more I am convinced that true, bona fide, non-laughable PUAs are born more than made. The really deadly PUAs are good-looking guys with a witty command of language and wit, a saavy eye for human weakness, and above all a devil-may-care attitude towards women (which gets the tingling going crazy) that is usually caused by trauma, ie divorce or somesuch, which makes then cast aside everything our misandrist society has taught them about women and gender. Thus is a great PUA born.

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  75. The whole PUA movement is getting old. There used to just be men that women liked for various reasons, now all the sudden they are considered pick-up artists. It makes the whole thing seem too contrived.

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  76. Woodins,
    Black men have problems with women also, that isn’t just a white man thing.

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  77. on October 9, 2010 at 2:51 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozlzozol

    hey i have an idea!!!

    let’s repalce mandood and classic storis great westerns good movies with

    reality tv jerseryshore secrteive tapig s of butthex iwthout the girlths conthen for sodom and shuster profit publilcistsy lzozlzozlzlz

    does anyone have benanke’s number?

    do ya think he’ll fund it?

    and od you thik bull crhystal’s publications can help spread the lies about the butthexers secteive taper of asscoeker’s height as the eneocns celeberate him as their #1 butthexual hero?

    we camn make lots a moneys with this! lotsa fiat dllars into our benrnakek na bank acocunts! And to we candeosul womenz and assock them and deosul them and detsory marage t home family and kill 50,000,0000 unborn in a goldbergeeian preemptive war against teh unborn abort zlzozlzllzozozlzzozozlz

    we wil go down hin hitroys as #1 nyt bestseling uathors as teh weekly standadth propahages our lies lzozlzand averyone wll wi as the marirage ais detsoryed amd women asre asscod and sdoeusleed zlozlzlzlzlzl and the bernake debt grows enslaving the usa and everyones to ebn benranke tucker max rhymes with godlamn sax an dthe in the beltay neocons debt growing neooncs lzozlzl

    let’s do this!

    lzozozl

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  78. on October 9, 2010 at 3:30 pm meance II sobriety

    also i’ve always wonder, what is with the pick-up artists lame ass nicknames? the genesis? I mean..if its one you’ve had for your whole life that you got in the neighborhood as a kid…that is understandable. but wtf? do some of these dudes just straight up make up PUA names for themselves? the fuck is that???

    if people want to start getting control back on the side of the men…they need to start acting like real men. not these weak miserable wanna-bes with self given nicknames and circus clothes

    fuck it…whatever works i guess..

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  79. on October 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    all the high schools college sex ed programs are tehre for teh deosuling of owmenz deousling of womenz via assocking and other means rendeirng them useless as wives zlzolzlz

    and the news is that it’s working!!!!

    lzozozozllzzozo the baankesters are ste detroyin the fmaily as markx karl marx told them too! lzozlzozlzzlzl

    http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/09/29/US-marriage-rate-continues-to-decline/UPI-77271285810979/

    lozozlzzozozl zlozzll!!!!!

    can you see all the neocns gatheirng together and claping their hands astehir butthexing secirteiv taping of butthex war on the soul is killing off marriage lzozllzlzlzlzllzlzozz zlzlozlzzl

    U.S. marriage rate continues to decline

    BUTTHEXUAL HEROES they ising thei rpraise to tehir six foot tall icons of butthexualness fuding finaincing them to asscokc woemnz acors sthe land and sdeousl them so that women wil no longer serv fiath and the fiamily and a man an children, but instead will serve the corprate staet and hate o men and their children divorceing tem men and assocking them in divroce court and aborting their chidlrendn as teh central tuckermaxrhymesiwthfoglamnd sax benrnakified regie comends zlozlzlzlzzl.

    the banksters celebrate todya as they conquered a ocuntry with fiat butthex and fiat debt zlozzlz deosuling al its women and trianing them to serve the cenrtal corproate fiat sbannkert state zlozlzozlzlz zbuttehextxhtxxhx

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  80. on October 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “From 2000 to 2009, U.S. adults ages 25-34 who are married dropped from 55 percent to 45 percent, the study authors say. ”
    –http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/09/29/US-marriage-rate-continues-to-decline/UPI-77271285810979/

    like a chnege of 20% in under one fucking decade! Lozlzozlzzzozl

    holy shit that’s a big chnage!!! ! !!! !Lozzlzlzlzllzlzozzlzl

    this is bauches because a lot of fellas are wising up and notbuying rings ofr girlths who wer ebenankriifed nd buttehxed by the fiat cartely butthexing machine matrix and deosuled as their soul whic once made them loyal to god husnabd and children was removed through their anuth and repalced with software osul taht makes them loyal to thefiat dolars and corproate butthex tstates lzozllzlzolzzl reprorgammed all the woenz to hate on men and babies and love butthex intesad fit gooey butthexual liars and short butthexual heroes who lie about ter hieght lzozlzllzll

    can you see all t simon and shucster sodom and shcister upper level management clapping ad pating each other on the back as they pop champage with th wekeky stndardth neocons zlozlzlzlz FINALLY the fmaily is being destoryed not by war but by BUUTHEX LZOZOZLLZLZ

    because seriosusoly feellows

    how many of you ould marry a girl who has bene butthexed by a nunch of doucehbags lzozlzl when se was younger hotter tighter giing ger gina mouth and antuth waay to them for free lzozlzlzozl

    would ou sign a marriage contract with her and pay and support the loose anuth gina dieseased zlzozozll and also priomsei to pay for apst use of the looose std gina anuth mounth if hse is bagning some biker dude whyhn you get hoe one day as you know in no fault divroce it means she can fuck and suck anytone and the bankers all nod in aroval and then support her in taking hjalf your assetts half your house half you firtue aeranings as they laugh and clap and celebrate the butthexual utopia they are ifnainscing and crtinag catsing twiring hundreds of thosuands of fiat douchebutthex dollars to dtucker max rhyems with godlmans sax becasue he is callen’s six foot tall butthexual heyrosos

    zlozlzlz

    –http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/09/29/US-marriage-rate-continues-to-decline/UPI-77271285810979/

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  81. The talkshow hosts don’t get it, they never will. Neither will the dumbass viewers watching it on tv. They only see face value for what it is: blonde expecting them to use lame pickup lines.

    Read between the lines and you see the guy negging, creating mystery, and being aloof and conversational. He even throws some kino, which nobody will notice since it appears effortless and natural.

    But normal people won’t get that.

    Game is a waste of time explaining to people or trying to change their ways. Just too much damage has already been done to society over the years.

    I’m sure fucking glad I see the truth. 🙂

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  82. Look, to all those who dismiss Mystery and his friends, consider one fact: Their shit works. They might look like gimps, and their behaviour is often the opposite of everything that can be considered manly, but what they teach really does work.

    Skill with women is usually acquired growing up. But it can be learned later in life, with a lot of practice, like a language or the guitar.

    However, where a lot of advocates go wrong is in claiming that game can get you the most beautiful of women. That ain’t the case. It can get you women maybe 2-3 points up the scale. But it won’t get anyone the true 9s and 10s. You need money, power and looks or some combination thereof, to land the true bombshells.
    Anyone who claims otherwise is at best deluded

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  83. One other thing, none of these lads in the video negged the blonde cupcake. Given her stratospheric level of arrogance, and how the whole TV slot was an ambush, none of them used the most useful tool in the book. Could have made a joke about how well her career was going since she was doing the novelty slot for a local TV station

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  84. on October 9, 2010 at 10:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Other side of coin ain’t like I got on tv and tried to game or making money off of the shit.

    Don’t hate cause dudes making loot.

    I mean check in how many unpaid hours roosh has put into game and now is doing bootcamps.

    You don’t start making money off shit by magic it takes effort.

    Even actors and shit you see em in a bit tiny part and then ten years later they finally make it.

    To be great at anything probably requires some serious effort and sacrifice.

    Unless you just do it the easy way and just save money.

    Even that requires sacrifice.

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  85. I think that Whiskey and Firepower are one and the same.

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  86. The Specimen

    I think that Whiskey and Firepower are one and the same.

    What makes you think so? And why would that be important?

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  87. […] Citizen Renegade:Attention Whore Hyperactivity Disorder,Marriage Down, Dystopia Up, Anal Sex The New Technicality, and Are PUAs Douchebags And Hucksters? […]

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  88. Slamming other pua’s is so rampant, its hard to find any commerical guys who don’t do it. Its the rite of passage for all so-called gurus and the way to proclaim your authenticity now that Mystery type game has become a joke in the community. I’m very familiar with the argument he presents. Its been making the rounds in lairs the world over. I think a lot of guys who start off doing game will be hard pressed to find personal satisfaction and validation from just banging girls because it will happen so infrequently. Instead they get sucked into the easier path of getting validation from other community guys by boasting about their small and often imaginary exploits. I think you can’t vilify this completely. Developing pua’s are putting their fragile ego’s through a lot and this sort of bro validation culture is the newb ego support system. I think it does go awry when guys pursue this at the expense of getting validated through their own success, both with girls and with their other interests.

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  89. Am I going insane or did two entire CR posts disappear?

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  90. Sidewinder psychological issues update (formerly known as church girl update):

    Wife insisted on going to church today and was huge bitch all morning. I was strangely at peace, and was at the point that I would have been somewhat amused by my wife doing something embarassing in front of church girl. Wife stays out and sells books during service, so I sit alone. Church girl is sitting alone, but we’re out of eye sight. I catch her make a quick glance and look away. I think she was dreading having to speak with me after same day bailing on lunch this week.

    By the grace of the Unitarian God, something told me to be the bigger man and to break the ice. I realize this is against the PUA “how to deal with flakes” advice, but I felt moved to try to make her more comfortable, so I sent her a mid-service text, making fun of the church service. We exchanged 4 or 5 funny texts, and while I can’t speak for her, it definitely lowered my anxiety levels.

    After church we talked briefly and I asked her about her last gig. It was pretty boring conversation, but I think I adequately conveyed that I am not mad or upset, and that I am not otherwise discouraged from speaking with her. I did not mention her flaking or seek to reschedule anything. During this brief convo, I catch my wife spying on us through doorway.

    After I get home from church, I respond to church girl’s last joke text from service, and she responds back. I’m going to leave it at that. I feel like things have been left in a friendly manner, and if she wants to talk, or if she just wants to walk away altogether, she can feel comfortable either way.

    I think I need to leave my wife, or at least separate. And this really has nothing to do with this other girl. She’s still married and presumably nothing would change on that front if I were free, but I think i’m coming to realize that I cannot be happy with my wife. I just don’t know how to do this with our two small kids.

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  91. sidewinder: You royally fucked up having two kids. But, those were only your second and third fuckups. Your biggest fuckup was getting married. You are screwed for life now.

    You are forced to stay with your wife and raise your two small kids. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

    No matter what you do you are going to be miserable and ruined financially for the rest of your life. Get some antidepressants to deal with the impending horror show that is going to be the rest of your life.

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  92. Sidewinder, not cool man. You have a duty to your wife and your kids.

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  93. Cap’n Bob, one can’t but wonder who is the wife in that relationship?

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  94. Well fuck Cap n’ Bob, what am I to do then? Try to convince church girl to engage in an extramarital affair from which she would receive very little benefit so as to keep me from putting a gun in my mouth?

    Here’s a perfect example highlighting what’s wrong in my marriage: friend last night celebrated his 13th wedding anniversary. He always talks about how he doesn’t get along with his wife (i, on the other hand, do get along with my wife). But, he said that when they can get a babysitter and go get dinner or go on a short vacation or something, he has a good time, if but for the brief moment. It is the opposite with me. I hate spending time with my wife alone. We don’t talk about anything. She is not an interesting person. I’m happier with the kids to distract me.

    I’m not going to live the rest of my life alone. No fucking way.

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  95. Sidewinder,

    Forget about Church Girl. That’s not going anywhere, if your reports are accurate. Sounds like a non-starter. For most of us, most of our interactions with women wind up like this.

    If you didn’t have kids, you could do whatever the hell you want. But when you’ve got kids, that brings its own obligations. There’s enough kids being brought up without a father, without adding to a list.

    Take up a hobby, for Christ’s sake, and cultivate your friends. You won’t be the first man in the world who’s bored with his wife. Has she changed? If so, sort that out. There are solutions. But blowing up your marriage is not a rational one.

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  96. cap’n bob, rational solution for Sidewinder? Anathema! He goes with feelings. He is not “happy” with his wife. Not because she is a bad wife or does not put out. Because he can’t “talk” with her. And his “crush” on that church girl…

    Hamsters, nothing but hamsters.

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  97. Nope, not even close. I do live in the LA area (KTLA is perhaps among the worst in pandering to the largely female audience). The 100% Genuine Whiskey is a comment focusing on the larger social dynamic and its impact on society.

    Yes Chelsea Handler made out with 50 Cent in some club in New Orleans. That’s not important. What is important is how, principally, other women react to that information. Celebrate, yawn, view it as trashy, etc?

    By and large, the media has pushing (and finding a receptive audience, **PARTICULARLY** among younger White women) the pairing of a fairly thuggish Black celebrity with a White reality star as “upscale” and a way for the otherwise trashy gal to become less trashy.

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  98. Morsellaux, why did you get divorced? Twice?

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  99. Anonymous, actually, once. The second divorce is pending, postponed to the time when our daughter reaches 18.

    The first divorce was a mutual agreement that rather than risking one of us going to jail, we’d split.

    Both the divorce and separation were caused by my stupid attraction to somewhat nutty women (the first wife evolved into nearly full blown nut) . I no longer have that streak, purged it completely. Sometimes, people need to learn their lesson twice.

    Advice: Avoid somewhat nutty women like a plague! You won’t fix them.

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  100. @Morsellaux,

    “Advice: Avoid somewhat nutty women like a plague! You won’t fix them.”

    You were probably just trying to help (must be a first born….just speculating), but you’re right…. Can’t help those who won’t help themselves. Happy Thanksgiving!!

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  101. what, must be a first born….just speculating

    A keen observer you are!

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  102. Morsellaux,

    The nuttiness of women can be hard to detect sometimes.

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  103. As far as putting a gun in your mouth, I am just sayin, could you put it on youtube? So much of what is on there is pretty boring.

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  104. Sidewhinner

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  105. Cap’n Bob, in retrospective, I could identify the warning signs that I “neglected to notice” when the relationships were in the initial stage.

    On another note, re virgins and white knights:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101010/ap_on_hi_te/us_space_tourism

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  106. […] for my flippant stance on “Pickup Artists.” I appreciate the well-articulated response on Roissy’s excellent blog as well as everyone else who gave it a mention. While it may have seemed harsh and even […]

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  107. Rum, yea, Saga of Sidewhiner in 64 episodes, sounds exciting.

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  108. I just got home from hanging out with a friend of mine who is very well connected in the world of high finance. So, I made sure she got helplessly drunk for truth extraction purposes. Bye and bye, she blurted out, “When the total collapse comes”… like within in a year… At that point I stopped listening and smacked her on her head and screamed.. “You crazy bitch. You’ve known this all along!?” Suck my cock right here in this dirt-floored redneck bar.”
    A truly disturbing amount of my story is true.

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  109. Rum, “When the total collapse comes”… like within in a year…

    A fairly common knowledge. I mentioned that timeline here a while ago.

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  110. @Cee

    I presented this to several black men I know. They emailed saying they basically agreed. I know Obsidian will disagree, because he thinks black men have magical powers of the penis.

    Woodins said:

    “Most black guys I have met have an in-built evolutionary PUA manual built into them while they are in the womb lol. I reckon its to do with the naturally higer T-cell count they are carrying.”

    I’m black so I can give you the real deal on this as relayed by family/friends and my own experiences.

    The only reason why black guys seem like they have game is because in black culture, black women choose the men. Black women will approach you and open you because they have high testosterone. Even the beta black guys get lays easily because they have mudsharks that will fuck ANY black guy and random fat/ugly/old women chasing them. I give them credit because they will approach anyone but they blow it because they say/do stupid shit and most women are not into them like black guys claim.

    The three black men I approached and asked this of said the same thing: black women are relatively easy, not particularly picky, and the unattractive ones will single out guys and mercilessly pursue them into bed.

    So black guys are always getting laid.

    My own experience with black (American) women seems to be different: Not easier than others, relatively similar to white women, though different in bed. For example, they really, really love it when men go down on them, so long as you also fuck them thoroughly. White women just love it, not really really love it. I’ve never worked out why this is.

    Doug1 said:

    “The issue with gen Y white guys in the Angloshere is feminist propaganda and behavior control e.g. in schools directed overwhelmingly at white guys, with black guys tending to be left alone on this, for “multicultural” reasons.”

    “Smart black studs are rare.”

    I have to agree with these statements.

    I’ve never met a smart black stud. Same for the women I’ve known: the two who have had black boyfriends said the more “alpha” they were, the dumber they were.

    One of the arguments I’ve always believed: Half of natural game is just being selfish and stupid.

    Learned game, well, … these guys can’t learn it, and often don’t need to, but they reach a point where they just can’t climb the wall any higher.

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  111. on October 10, 2010 at 11:32 pm Married Morons

    Can anyone explain to me why any guy in the world gets married? What the hell is the benefit? From the time you marry her until the time you die, she is going to get older and uglier every single second. Not only that, but when she decides she wants to start a family and starts having kids, she is going to completely look like shit 1000 times faster than if she didn’t have kids.

    What are the pluses of being married? Anyone? Anyone? How can so many guys in the world be so damn dumb? It makes no sense.

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  112. on October 11, 2010 at 12:10 am Gunsllingergregi

    ””””””http://www.afrik-news.com/article18354.html”””””

    Ok 300 kids 131 wives.

    Rum you need to get fucking buzy.

    You fucking up if you got the resources and ain’t doing this shit.

    And post the births on youtube.

    he he he

    At least I got some concrete numbers to beat now.

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  113. @Morse

    So after divorcing twice!! are willing for another nuptial?? What have been your greatest lesson after marrying twice??

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  114. on October 11, 2010 at 12:52 am Gunslingergregi

    “””””””collapse””””

    Just make sure you grow your own food you will be fine.

    he he he

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  115. on October 11, 2010 at 12:59 am Gunslingergregi

    Was watching an old bruce willis movie bling date where he plays a bitch dude.

    There is a scene where an asian businessman is talking with his boss at dinner.

    Bruce willis blind date fucks with the dudes wife and makes her cry or some shit and she goes to bathroom.

    Then the blind date chick goes to bathroom with asian chick and lets her know that in us she is legally entitled to hald her husbands 100 million dollar net worth in his business.

    Then the asian chick stops crying in movie.

    The white chick then goes out to the dinner party and says the asian chick needs a good divorce lawyer and her husband is worth 100 million.

    All kinds of lawyers start getting up and running towards the bathroom.

    Movie was made in 1978. So yea media had an influence.

    Get married and you can steal half your husbands business.

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  116. lawyerjourno, with marriage/divorce 2.0 in place?

    No.

    That is also my greatest lesson. 🙂

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  117. @Morse
    I guess you have not in the phase of sexual worthlessness!

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  118. Women have been praising guys like Roger Huerta for their protective role for women! Somewhere these women think men are for their protection! Where are these guys in segmentation of Alpha, Beta>>>>

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  119. dekay, translate to English, pls. Ya not making much sense.

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  120. Ya n’t got me, r u still in some relationship or out of it. 2 divorces aftr u may be nt be in mental n physical position to do sex?

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  121. Oh, that… I do STRs, though it is taxing timewise and I can find a lot of nice things to do beside chasing skirts, so will be looking for a LTR/VLTR soon. Just polishing my Game, I want to try to go for a wench approx 25-26 yo. No marriage 2.0 though. Lucking out twice does not mean I’ll be tempted to try again.

    Mentally, I am fine, thank you. Sexually, it is not what it used to be, but since I were a veritable animal in earlier stages, my current libido and capacity is on the average 30-35ish level.

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  122. Morsellaux/

    Ya right, dude! u got to be happy u r not in bad divorce deal. I lost evrything! now i make almost one chick in 15 days n enjoy a lot! banging has never been so fun! i m 52 now, what about u?

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  123. first I’d like to say that i really enjoy this blog, especially the comment section.
    a question to PUA pros out there.
    i had been dating this this girl for 3 months. she would always wait an hour or respond to text, told me that she had guys asking her out so she was a player. was doing same to her.
    despite that everything was fine for 2.5 months and we spent every weekend together and had great sex. i wouldn’t see or contact her during the week.
    two weeks ago we were sleeping when her cell ringed three times at 5 am on sunday morning. told her to switch the phone or get the fuck out my apartment. she picked it up and told they guy to fuck of. she said it was her friend who was bit crazy but it resulted in big argument without me accusing her of cheating outright. in the morning we had hot sex.
    then she called me following Friday after work. told her i was meeting with my friends already. asked me if we would be going out to pick up girls (obvious shit test) told her not this time. promised to call her at 9 when i was done.
    i forgot and she called me at 10 pm asking what happened. told her that i was going to see some more people and would call her in an hour. 90 minutes later finally called her to let her she could come over.
    when she arrived she complained that she had awful week at work working till midnight and asked for massage. i complied with request. then got horny but she said was to tired to have sex. got really angry and told her off.
    in the morning she said she couldn’t sleep last night because of what i said. asked why i couldn’t wait for sex till morning. i felt it was right time to escalate. said to her i was making more effort by taking her out and paying most of the time (she makes v. little money) and i expected some effort from her (sex on weeekends). she said i couldn’t treat her like this. put her coat and walked away without a word. din’t try to stop her. now it’s been a week since i haven’t heard from her. I have’t called her or text either. seems to me it’s lost case anyway and i only regret that i won’t be banging her.
    Thing is i may see her at social/professional meeting in couple of weeks. in case she’s attending, how to act not to DLV ?
    thanks for your input

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  124. lawyerjourno, protective role vis-a-vis real women (what they used to be) was fine. As the current entitled, ego inflated, harpy bitched whales go, it is a different matter entirely.

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  125. dekay, 56, in my prime. 🙂

    A friend of mine divorced a couple of years back and lost everything too. When I queried him about it… “your car too?”, he just said: “I underestimated the ability of vagina to stretch”.

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  126. @Morse

    Protecting bitchy women of Wendy Schwartz kind seems foolish. The same bitch hates guys and seeks protection from them! How can that be rational on the part of such sluts!

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  127. I don’t understand why such bloody laws exist? It is a kind of conspiracy by lawyers-legislators-feminists-democrats? Even Republicans are same! No hope at all from any side!!

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  128. lawyerjourno,

    Question # 1: Yes
    Exclamation #1: Not all of them, but generally pussified.
    Exclamation #2: Game.

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  129. sonsven, simple. Though I don’t see much of a reason to care about DLV in the context of your story… Don’t pay any attention to her. Be busy talking to other people especially if there are some hotties there. If she approaches you and says HI, reply the same. If she strikes a conversation, just act as if you are meeting her for the first time, or as you would do with someone else present at the event.

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  130. Bride hunting in some Asian countries can somewhat solve the problem of bitchy American women. Leaving aside PUAs, those who are willing for LTR may go Eastward. With white skin white American will have advantage over Asian men!

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  131. It is rather great to die alone than live with that axe hanging over head in marriage 2.0 wherein you are left to live in poverty, homelessness, and imprisonment by the same government which you pay taxes to.

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  132. @sonsven,

    no offense, but when she rejects your sexual advances and you freak out, you DLV. She ran a shit test and you failed. Next time, stay cool or, better yet, reject her sexual advances. Make her DLV, shell love you for it.

    My guess is, she can’t wait to bump into you in public and observe your behaviour. The best thing you can do is have another date with you, preferably one that resembles her, not a hottie that blows her out of the water. Introduce her as your ‘friend’.

    Else, just forget about her and start fucking some other bitch, Its starting to seem like too much work.

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  133. @sonsven

    If she is attracted to you she would come sooner or later and if she does not that means she has never been attracted to you. Don’t huckster your self-esteem. It is she who is sluttery and not you!

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  134. @sonsven

    Read about LMR, or “last minute resistance”.

    You have to make a girl want you.

    The way you described this, you came off as a jerk pressuring her for sex.

    Far from being “alpha” it makes you sound angry and beta.

    Alpha’s don’t need to lecture to get sex. You could have just let her be, massaged her and gamed her until she wanted to jump your bones.

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  135. Those early morning infomercials for exercise programs.

    Notice how the ones targeted to women always show a group of women exercising together, in formation, all having fun.

    Isn’t this more evidence of womens herd mentality?

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  136. @CR

    Waiting for the Chateau’s wisdom on the Brett Favre scandal.

    What happened: Brett was married and 39 years old two years ago when he allegedly left voice mails and then texted photos of his johnson to the 24 year old Jenn Sterger who was also an employee of the Jets football team where he was the QB. The Deadspin blog just released the voice male tapes and cell phone pictures.

    All the male sports bloggers (willing to write about this) in the USA are now agreeing that this is supposedly “sexual harassment”.

    In fact, they’re gloating about how the “old media” would have ignored this…that the new blogosphere enables male sports bloggers’ inner feminist feelings to come out better.

    http://deadspin.com/5658206/brett-favres-cellphone-seduction-of-jenn-sterger?skyline=true&s=i

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brett_got_sexty_with_gal_report_VF2AzNMERDvonzUIqZWuLO?offset=16#comments

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-jenn-sterger-allegations-should-be-resolved-by-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-100810

    http://www.thefyisportsblog.com/2010/10/stephen-a-smith-doesnt-want-deadspin-to-report-on-favre/

    Besides remarking on the White Knighting going on, the Chateau might want to discuss the Beta way Brett Favre tried to seduce young Jenn.

    1) He voice mailed when he could have just met with her.
    2) Sending photos of your johnson by text would be a stupid move even if its to someone you know and trust.

    Other aspects of this “scandal”:

    Jenn was apparently aged 24 when she said to another Jets employee “I don’t swing that way…meaning with old and married men”.

    My comment on that: the “old men” who run the NFL and sports media like ESPN shouldn’t hire and promote young women who think so little of older men.

    Another thing Jenn said to a fellow employee was that she felt an affair with a man of such high profile would end her career, not help it. Maybe so, but its not in the interest of high profile men to allow a culture to be that way.

    A married Jets masseuse has also just accused Favre of obscene text messages.

    My comment on that: why would the Jets put uncool masseuses into the locker room of the employees they’re supposed to want to pamper?

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  137. Too lazy to find the Zuckerberg post so here’s the latest on him and his girlfriend:

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/10/11/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-social-network-movie-photo/

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  138. guys thanks for your comments

    @walawala

    i had been banging this chick for three months multiple times every weekend. so it’s hard to talk about LMR in this case. more of bullshitting.

    I don’t think i was a massive jerk as I explained to her why it wasn’t behaviour I could accept. (btw it was like third time that month she didn’t feel like sex so it was time for me to react)
    The fact that she hasn’t tried to contact me in over a week after minor argument only shows that she really wasn’t that into me.
    At least being a jerk saved me frustration, time and money.

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  139. The Specimen

    I think that Whiskey and Firepower are one and the same.

    Nope, not even close. The 100% Genuine Firepower is more succinct with his economy of words yet manages fewer malapropisms.

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  140. Gorby said:

    “My own experience with black (American) women seems to be different: Not easier than others, relatively similar to white women, though different in bed. For example, they really, really love it when men go down on them, so long as you also fuck them thoroughly. White women just love it, not really really love it. I’ve never worked out why this is.”

    It’s because most guys think that black vagina’s are nasty looking, so if you go down on them they appreciate it more.

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  141. (508):
    I’m so horny!

    (781):
    I’m so hungry

    (508):
    WHAT A TERRIBLE REPLY!

    (781):
    For your pussy…

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  142. Chick abuses beta, CNN cunts fail to have outrage at her abuse. More pissed at MTV for “shaming”.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/10/07/sbt.teen.mom.controversy.hln?hpt=C2

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  143. “Bro-town”

    Rob Judge (reputedly one of NYC’s best players), who eviscerates (semi-justifiably, in my view) a lot of the silliness that passes for PUAdom.

    I’ve long thought “reputedly” no longer works in a culture that values fantasy over reality.

    i.e. “reality” shows are no such thing.

    Bro-hams disrupt adult male discussion as rapidly as the middle-school soccer team does when it comes home and intrudes on its older brothers wrenching on a ’70 ‘Cuda

    Purple Nurple Time has duly arrived.

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  144. You know why So many Dudes suck at PUA: b/c their GAY!

    20% of Dudes are essentially Gay

    In the most recent sex survey 15% of Dudes report lifetime Oral sex with Male !!!!

    Now, as with Women who under-report, Men will under-report Gayness…so lets round that up to 17 for rounding error and 20 for lying!

    I find this stat stunning. If 20% of Men are banging Men thats’ 1/5 of the Male Population.

    If Women, 1 out of 5 times are being hit on by a Dude who cant decide if he wants to fuck or be fucked, then that skews the whole market.

    That explains alot why Women act so confused and schizo when Men hit on them AND LOVE when a Dude who actually likes Women, hits on them.

    ALPHAS are not super-human, they are just not one quarter Gay!

    http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/07/5-little-known-truths-about-american-sex-lives/

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  145. on October 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm GeorgeMichael

    @Silverfox

    You comment says a lot more about you than you realize!!!

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  146. silver fox, I guess that once you are unmanly (or “beta”, I prefer the dichotomy manlyunmanly to the weird, nerd sounding alphaeta) enough you get a craving for cocks and balls.

    Maybe that’s why so many nerds are homophiles. It’s because they are curious… curious to discover the taste of cock and balls and men’s anuses.

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  147. on October 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Part of it is that basically all the actors in hollywood are gay so it is a disconnect if your idealizing them as tough guys when ya know they are not real hetro men.

    But yea going gay would be the easy life path at this time.

    Being hetro has been the new gay for a while now.

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  148. GBFM — you are the best part of this blog.

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  149. on October 11, 2010 at 7:34 pm GeorgeMichael

    @Steve and Silverfox:

    A real straight man would not even bother thinking about these things or care either.

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  150. Call a spade a spade. These are ass clowns.

    They are nerds who spend 15 hours a day reading on the internet until they finally befriend enough community members to gain a following of fellow nerds. Nerd on fucking nerd as their socially awkward and neurotic mannerisms are reinforced into what we witnessed in the video.

    This is a perfect example of what is wrong with the community. It used to sought out, and led by successful males. Today we have been over-run by faggots like g manifesto because every lonely nerd treats the community like Second Life or WOW. They are actors and this is their stage.

    I don’t know, I really think players need to go back underground and get away from the noise.

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  151. @Cee,

    Gorby said:
    “For example, they really, really love it when men go down on them, so long as you also fuck them thoroughly. White women just love it, not really really love it. I’ve never worked out why this is.”

    It’s because most guys think that black vagina’s are nasty looking, so if you go down on them they appreciate it more.

    Hm. I always thought they were about the same.

    Not a huge difference.

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  152. @sonsven

    “”i had been banging this chick for three months multiple times every weekend. so it’s hard to talk about LMR in this case. more of bullshitting.””

    true, but either way she was resisting. What you should have done was either more push-pull or the LMR techniques—pull away completely and start doing something.

    “”I don’t think i was a massive jerk as I explained to her why it wasn’t behaviour I could accept. (btw it was like third time that month she didn’t feel like sex so it was time for me to react)””

    “Massive jerk” is a relative term. But I’ve been in this same situation and “explaining” anything to a chick—is LOGICAL. They don’t give a shit.

    Finding a way to push her buttons, get into her head…make her feel anxious, or curious or get a rise out of her somehow… in other words tap into her EMOTIONS and she’ll be chasing you in no time.

    THis is the biggest learning for me about game.

    The fact that she hasn’t tried to contact me in over a week after minor argument only shows that she really wasn’t that into me.
    At least being a jerk saved me frustration, time and money.

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  153. @sonsven

    “”The fact that she hasn’t tried to contact me in over a week after minor argument only shows that she really wasn’t that into me.
    At least being a jerk saved me frustration, time and money.””

    The fact that she hasn’t tried to contact you….is irrelevant. What should be bothering you more is why she’s in your head when she’s clearly been gaming you.

    Girls are great at gaming guys. She’s in your head, you’re second-guessing everything. In other words…that “hamster” so often referred to in this blog..is in YOUR head.

    Take a step back dude… what just happened? You did what I did…you actually put game skills aside and acted normal, you got upset, you explained. Where’d that get you?

    Anyone who thinks game is unnecessary or that guys don’t need it should pick up on this.

    I’ve blown it big time with chicks I otherwise could have fixed it with by doing just what you did…

    But I’ve since changed. Now i’m the unpredictable one.

    A girl I recently banged was having all sorts of anti-slut defense arguements and buyer’s remorse: “I was drunk, sorry…etc etc.”

    Now every time we chat…I amp up the sex talk.

    She says “I don’t think we will have sex again.”

    Me: of course not, you’re not shaved.

    Her: What??? You don’t want to have sex with me anymore because I’m not shaved?

    Me: Yup.

    There’s nothing logical about that. I’m being a “Jerk”…but in that scenario it keeps going from “I feel like a slut…” to “Why would you fuck me anymore???”

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  154. @walawala. thanks mate

    yep. looks like she came on top that final time. frustrating.
    until that point i had been doing everything pretty much according to the script.
    playful negs, talking about other girls, going with my mates to clubs on Thursday, checking out all hot girls when she was around me. not initiating contact first during the week. asking her to pay for meal and drinks time to time (until i found that she was making hardly any money).
    I was nice as well taking her out to top restaurants and cooking a dinner at home.
    at least during this ‘relationship’ i didn’t try to be a nice guy. had drunk one night stand and number closed a stripper (but she flaked haha).
    well i hope I’ve learnt my lesson and won’t make same mistake with next girlfriend.
    my biggest concern now is not to give her satisfaction that she was a winner.
    i will definitely not contact her first but might see her at social gathering in couple of weeks.
    i think there is a problem with approach suggested by some to ignore her.
    last thing i want is to give her impression that she was someone important to me and that she hurt my feelings

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  155. @sonsven

    There’s a good post in here about how to handle seeing ex’s…check it out.

    You want to be ambivalent. If you see her act like nothing is wrong…then be busy “Oh…gotta go…chat later” and never call back.

    I’m doing that with a girl I’ve been gaming that gave me the cold shoulder all of a sudden.

    It’s amazing.

    She knows I’m ignoring her…but I’m not. It drives her crazy.

    Because she comes by and gives me a big hug and we chat.

    Then…nothing from ever.

    She has to initiate it.

    And it’s “Oh you never talk to me anymore…”

    Me: Oh, really? We talked last week, you must have forgotten… then move on.

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  156. on October 12, 2010 at 12:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””I was nice as well taking her out to top restaurants and cooking a dinner at home.”””””””’

    I am definetly noticing a common theme here.

    So did you cook her a great meal lol

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  157. on October 12, 2010 at 12:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    Where in the fuck are guys getting the idea to cook for a bitch?

    It is insane.

    Are you going to wash dishes and dust furniture to?

    Every time ya hear cooked for her there is a problem.

    If ya like cooking that much keep that shit in the closet and only do it alone.

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  158. on October 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Has there been one cr post on proper cooking technique so you can impress a woman?

    I don’t remember seeing one.

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  159. @SonSven

    Brother, you really f*cked up that situation by actually caring enough to get upset at her for not having sex – in reacting like that she had you like a dog begging for a raw t-bone. You totally overreacted and DLV’d. Pity because you could have kept banging her for months.

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  160. Gunslingergregi

    Where in the fuck are guys getting the idea to cook for a bitch?

    It is insane.

    Are you going to wash dishes and dust furniture to?

    once upon a time
    my hero epoxytoxin
    would have it the other way around, but I’m sure his soul is being ground into bits of kitty litter as we speak.

    The Institution can do that to even an alfa

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  161. regarding cooking (maybe it’s different as i am from europe)

    as we would meet in my apartment during the summer i needed to feed her before or after fucking so we could carry on.
    she was crap at cooking. never touched her shit.
    negged her all the time about it. told her i would feed the cat first just in case it wasn’t edible.
    i cooked something fancy once or twice during the first two months.
    for me it was DHV but i could be wrong

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  162. on October 12, 2010 at 1:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’The Institution can do that to even an alfa”””””

    Yea cooking or no cooking they feel entitled once you marry em.

    Definetly would suggest staying ltr forever fuck the any type of ceremony.

    ””””regarding cooking (maybe it’s different as i am from europe)””””’

    Naaa still makes you her bitch.

    No matter what country you are in.

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  163. looking back at what happened i think the main cause why i overreacted, forgot about game and told her off was the incident which had happened weekend before.
    as i mentioned earlier, her cell ringed three times at 5 am on Sunday morning.
    she finally picked it up and told dude to fuck off.
    not sure if it was one of ex-boyfriends or an orbiter or someone she was shagging behind my back.
    i said if he called again and disturbed my sleep i would kick her out.
    really felt like dumping her at that time (which would have been better) but needed sex and didn’t have a backup girl.
    at that point i figured out there must have been reason behind her givin me best head ever, doing anal, spanking and choking.
    .. and she’s finance chick

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  164. Sure girls can have game that goes beyond looking the best you can be. It is called not giving it up to random strangers, and waiting to see who is legitimately interested in you.

    Am I crazy for saying this? Here is the reasoning:

    Oxytocin in a woman is released in much larger amounts than in men. It is the same hormone that bonds her to a baby. Biologically, she is more likely to become emotionally attached to a man. When he withdraws his presence and affection, the brain literally behaves like an addict going through withdrawal.

    As a woman, why go through this irrational emotional pain when there is no proper screening process in place? It can only lead to tears and heartache.

    Women make the horrible mistake of using sex to obtain love from men. This is not unlike the unhealthy person who uses fast food as a substitute for nutrition. They are so egocentric, they assume the man must eventually feel the same form of attachment she does.

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  165. Girly Girl, Am I crazy for saying this?

    Partially. It is not a game but rather an integrity.

    But, speaking of a game… When a female that was on a cock carousel finds a “good provider” and does not put out to keep the suspension going, while at the same time putting out to her fuck buddy to get her sexual fix, that is a game. Or more aptly put, a scam. It is rather common these days.

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  166. If it is common, and if she does that, then she deserves whatever misery comes to her.

    I am not speaking of holding back for a good provider while getting fixes elsewhere. That is pretty bad, and objectifies the man as a walking wallet. I am speaking of doing so to build rapport and understand who he is as a person before investing energy and time (without seeing someone else on the side). I do not think this is unreasonable. A woman’s reproductive life is more restricted than a man’s. Therefore, she must be more discriminating so that her limited time can be used wisely.

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  167. Sonsven, I don’t know the girl, but I think you screwed up in more ways than freaking out because she wasn’t in the mood.

    :: temporarily restoring Doom Poodle ::

    You behaved like an overly entitled bitch all along. Bitches don’t get boyfriend privileges. You were not only being shit tested. You were being tested to see whether or not you could at least carry on a respectful affair with some potential for more, or at least not a bad end.

    You have likely been replaced already. Move on and don’t remind her that you exist because doing so will annoy her.

    Do not crawl back. I repeat: do NOT crawl back.

    :: Doom Poodle powering down ::

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  168. Girly Girl, depends on presentation. “Not yet” answer on a question “When?” would be perceived as gameswomanship (and it usually is). Stating your reasons as you’ve noted above is the way to proceed.

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  169. Girly Girl

    Sure girls can have game that goes beyond looking the best you can be. It is called not giving it up to random strangers, and waiting to see who is legitimately interested in you.

    Am I crazy for saying this? Here is the reasoning:

    Oxytocin in a woman is released in much larger amounts than in men

    some girly girl may know that, but only Lilgrl knows for sure

    btw- you are definitely crazy

    mout

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  170. So after 3 weeks of No Contact I finally bumped into my ex at a networking meeting last friday. Arrived late and to my “great surprise” the attention whore was surrounded by orbiters, her sitting and them standing. She looked v. average.

    Only managed to nod my head and smirk when I bumped into hot blond who i’d met week before. Got into conversation with her. Than moved to chat to another girl who gave me her number. Another girl asked me to take her clubbing in the future.

    Had to leave earlier to get to a club and there she was standing by the exit with some girlfriends. I just smiled said By, she did the same. That was it. No effort from either side to have a chat. I guess we won’t be friends any time soon.

    Have to say No Contact worked for me as it was a good test of her feelings towards me or rather lack of them.

    Now I am off to my holiday and when back need to start closing on all the new leads

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