Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing

Back in October 2008, I predicted feminists would demand the following:

  • Ban on DNA Paternity Testing

This is as good as done if countermeasures aren’t taken. There’s a reason feminists are beginning to advocate against paternity testing — the smarter ones among their ranks understand that it shifts the balance of power decidedly in favor of beta males. Feminists want to retain the privilege of cuckolding. It is a power too good to abdicate, because it offers complete freedom from compromise with men to pursue sex and resources in the way they want. Paternity testing will mean an end to fucking alphas on the side and tricking betas into footing the bill. It will mean women will have to be more responsible and forward-thinking, instead of blindly following their vaginas.

Via Andrew Stuttaford, this week comes an article from a foul feminist cunt named Melanie McDonagh who advocates the banning of paternity testing.

DNA tests are an anti-feminist appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many women have the economic potential to provide for their children themselves…Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them. The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not… Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.

My prediction has been proven accurate. Look at the last line: “[paternity testing] has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.” Interesting logic, there. Faced with an issue of incontrovertible fairness and individual rights, the female rationalization hamster had to put in overtime. There is smoke billowing from the gears of her head wheel. Let’s see if we can apply Mz McDonagh’s logic to other vexing issues of sexual opportunism:

“Rape kits are an anti-male appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many men have the economic potential to provide for rape-conceived children themselves… Rape uncertainty allows fathers the freedom to select for their children the mothers who would be best for them. The point is that rape was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the father to admit to impregnating the mother, or not… Many women have, of course, ended up raising children who were conceived via rape, but really, does it matter… in making rape indictments conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the father, it has removed from men a powerful instrument of choice.”

“Abortion is an anti-male appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many men have the economic potential to provide for their children themselves… Abortion prohibition allows fathers to select for their children the mothers who would be best for them. The point is that conception was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the father to support the mother and child, or not… Many women have, of course, ended up raising children who were not planned, but really, does it matter… in making birth conditional on abortion rather than the wishes of the father, it has removed from men a powerful instrument of choice.”

“DNA tests to determine child support duties are an anti-male appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with. And that holds true even though many men have the economic potential to provide for their children themselves… Uncertainty allows fathers to select for their children the level of support that would be best for them. The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the father to deny involvement, or not… Many women have, of course, ended up raising children as discarded single moms, but really, does it matter… in making child support conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the father, it has removed from men a powerful instrument of choice.”

If the clitorally-enlarged fembot hyenas have their way, would there be any reason left at all for any man to remotely consider marriage as an acceptable option? A man who walks into the marriage trap now is playing Russian roulette with three full barrels. Each feminist legal victory fills one more barrel with lead death.

Andrew Stuttaford says words fail him. Well, they don’t fail me. Please, Mz McDonagh, as I’ve implored other ghastly souls who’ve wandered into this happy hunting ground… do the world a favor and lay your head down in front of the wheels of a moving bus. There’s a dear.





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  1. “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.”

    WOW. I really don’t know what else to say… besides WOW.

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  2. Andrew Stuttaford says words fail him.

    I’m with Mr. Stuttaford. I’ve read feminist and liberal tripe before, but this may take the prize.

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  3. More reason for men to get a vasectomy. Also avoid marriage with these western harpies.

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  4. evil

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  5. Note she doesn’t even consider fairness to men to be worth dismissing as unimportant.

    As well she completely fails to acknowledge that the overwhelming effect of DNA paternity testing has been to shift the balance of sexual power to unmarried sluts who are sleeping with several men concurrently, such that over the last couple of decades she can tag one of them for feminist jacked up child support=also stealth alimony, despite the fact that such men rarely wanted the child, though she did, as witnessed by her not choosing Plan B, abortion or adoption.

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  6. +1 to The Truth (pats his teensy lil’ vasectomy scars happily)

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  7. Wait until the male birth control pill arrives. The wailing and teeth-gnashing by feminists will be loud and strident.

    Of course, the vasectomy strategy is awesome, especially if the man never reveals that he has indeed had a vasectomy.

    I did that and a selfish bitch tried to nail me with paternity. I called her out with some righteous paperwork. Hilarity ensued.

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  8. Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…

    Yes. Absolutely YES!

    in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.

    Good! If women want to be equal to men then they must accept true equality, warts and all. In this case it means losing the ability to dictate who a child’s father is and being held accountable for your own reproductive choices giving men who are the biological father parentage and access to their genetic offspring. Anything less is wholly unacceptable. In fact, we should be looking at ensuring this happens across the board with mandatory paternity testing at birth. After all, if women want to be equal with men then they should both have the same certainty the child is their own, right? Right?

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  9. I wonder what’s more common: cuckolding on the first child or on the second+ child.

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  10. My favorite parts are:

    “Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them. ”

    Well, that selection was when you opened your legs to a thug, filthy whore.

    “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…”

    Is nice to see that you don’t care. I won’t care either when I roll over you skull with a truck. Criminal fraudulent bitch.

    “the most ancient game of humankind, Guess the Daddy, wasn’t played any more. ”

    Bzzzzt. Try again. Men had family connections of before the time of the boomers that had integrity to tell him if a child wasn’t his. And bastard spawn from whores weren’t given shit.

    I’m fuming.

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  11. one look at that author’s picture reminds me that we men also have the choice not to sleep with hideous monsters as MELANIE MCDONAGH

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  12. on November 1, 2010 at 12:59 pm Ascending Alpha

    Wow, it’s like feminists aren’t human beings. They have no morals whatsoever. I now ridicule feminist when I meet them, unless they have hot friends present that I want to hit on.

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  13. on November 1, 2010 at 1:02 pm Blessent mon coeur

    “Appliance of science”?

    Like a dishwasher? Surely she means ‘application of science.’

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  14. And people wonder why I have a low opinion of women…

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  15. Wow. That is pretty fucked up.

    “Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them. ”

    I guess all you guys are good for is resources. How cute you still think you’re human beings…..

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  16. “Like a dishwasher? Surely she means ‘application of science.'”

    No, she means appliance. Like feminists everywhere, they will use whatever tools are necessary to further their supremicist agenda.

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  17. Yes, of course feminists will want to ban DNA paternity testing. It’s in their immediate short-term interest. It’s not really in most non-feminists interest, and in no-ones interest in the long term, but of course they are not thinking that far ahead.

    But it’s a big world out there. Most of it out of it way beyond feminists geographical reach. This will just provide a boon to testing centres in countries that don’t ban it. It would be quite a simple matter to set up a DNA testing site offshore. The instructions could read something like: “Place a lock of your possible child’s hair in envelope A. Place a lock of your hair in envelope B. Send both in envelope C, with $xx money order to PO Box 555, Panama City, Panama. We will email you the results of the test within two weeks of receipt. Wouldn’t hold any legal weight obviously, but at least the dupe would know.

    But really. How many guys have the cajones to demand a paternity test before signing a birth certificate right now? Especially if the mother is their wife or long-term girlfriend. Most will be too weak, or think it casts them in a poor light to demand this. As if doing so sets them up as a loser who’s wife/girlfriend would cheat on him. But statistically cuckolding is supposed to be quite common. Some studies estimate as many as 10% of the general population are mistaken as to the true answer to the question “Who’s your daddy?”

    I suspect that many people who consider themselves alpha think this could never happen to them. Just remember. Even Mick Jagger demands a paternity test before acknowledging a child by the latest lingerie model is his. Unless you think you’re more alpha than Mick (and if you do you’re deluded) it’s best to get the test.

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  18. @Zammo
    I’m very upfront about my vasectomy, if only because it allows us to lose the rubber once we have both established that we are STD-free. But I have often pondered how funny it would be to not reveal the vasectomy, and then eventually lower the boom on some rent-seeking cunt trying to saddle me with responsibility for her progeny …

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  19. “Appliance of science”?

    LOL, I missed that one. So not only is she ugly, she’s none too bright either? She does write like a dullwitted college sophomore who’s in over her head in an Honors class.

    The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not

    Does the idiot know what she’s playing with by invoking traditional arrangements?

    Because paternity was ambiguous, women traditionally have also been under the full custody of their fathers until the moment of custody-transfer to their husbands. Adultresses were stoned or expelled with them and their bastard child cast out to die of exposure.

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  20. @BH ” It’s in their immediate short-term interest. It’s not really in most non-feminists interest, and in no-ones interest in the long term, but of course they are not thinking that far ahead.”

    Yup. Will just push men towards the already increasingly popular “never marry” route, leaving millions of women who like me, actually WANT a loving committed marriage SOL.

    Commitment from men is hard enough to achieve on its own without having these added hurdles from these dumb sluts. And yes, dumb sluts describes them perfectly. They have less future time orientation than my pet lizard.

    Women need to start a movement similar to the men’s movement. Feminism is bad for us.

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  21. Feminism has never been about equality. It’s always been about restitution, retribution and power consolidation.

    If feminists were interested in true equality they’d march on Washington demanding legislature that not a single male of 18 be drafted into military service until 2 million women had already died in combat duty due to mandatory conscription.

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  22. Feminist do want to destroy marriage because it’s an institution of patriarchal oppression, it’s just that they are trying to suck as much out of it for themsevles before it is abolished.

    http://old.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200602220826.asp

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  23. baning technical improvements has an even worse track record than banning things.

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  24. @dream puppy,

    “leaving millions of women who like me, actually WANT a loving committed marriage SOL.”

    Dream,…Thought you are married..

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  25. It’s amazing how completely disgustingly, dismissing these feminist are of men, their feelings and rights. Truly, I never knew until I started reading this blog. I am shocked and my sympathy goes out to you all. Everything to them is about power. This could never happen. They are only proposing this right? In an earlier post, I mentioned one of my friend (male) who’s two kids were not his!!! It was a horrible time in his life. Now he is happily remarried.

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  26. on November 1, 2010 at 1:43 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    She had already written about this last year in a much more superficial, transparent way. It was for the Sunday Times in the UK. Here’s the link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6814885.ece

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  27. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if mom and dad are there for delivery skip testing mom all together and only do a paternity test. This serves two goals: mandatory paternity testing (to a degree) and saves the family money–maternity testing is actually more expensive than paternity testing. I have no idea why, but it is what it is. If for some reason the dad and kid don’t match, mommy has some explaining to do then and there.

    Once mandatory paternity testing becomes the norm paternity fraud would cease to be. This is possibly the first time in history technology can actually prevent a crime from happening and protect would-be victims. Of course because those victims are men they don’t really count, right? /s

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  28. on November 1, 2010 at 1:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol what you must be still naive.

    It is going to be worse than that.

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  29. He is a true humanitarian. Always sticking up for the little guy against oppression.

    And for that: booyah.

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  30. Gunslingergregi,

    I’m hoping it won’t be…

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  31. It’s hard to believe somebody could seriously defend cuckoldry as a matter of choice.

    Anyway, the DNA genie is out of the bottle. Even in jurisdictions where DNA testing is illegal, it’s easy enough for men to swab their putative children and mail the swab to another state or country.

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  32. on November 1, 2010 at 1:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    I mean it already is worse than that.

    This makes you feel bad compared to all the woman taking a mans kids and he can’t see them yet he has to pay.

    I think it is just so bad people can’t face the reality of the reality without feeling absolutly compelled to do something about it or risk feeling like they just may be responsible.

    he he he

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  33. The good news is National Review and most mainstream conservative groups are already against this. This isn’t just an mens rights issue.

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  34. Shah toe

    Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing

    There’s an old Spanish saying that where there is no justice, it’s dangerous to be right.

    When even the truth of DNA is suppressed, vote Obama in 2016.

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  35. “Dream,…Thought you are married..”

    @WHAT Yes, I am married. Worded poorly, sorry. I meant that even before I was married, I’m sure I had my time wasted by a few guys that had no interest in anything long term or marriage, especially at such a relatively young age.

    Why would they? The cock carousel runs out for most women, while the pussy parade is non stop thanks to stupid feminists preaching sluttyness as “freedom.”

    It seems that the last incentive to marry was to raise a family…and the feminists want to kill that too.

    Frankly, I got VERY VERY VERY lucky when I met my husband.

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  36. One could always use the feminists own weapons against them…..

    Think of the Children! How can anyone be so evil as to deny a Child the right to know and love their own REAL Father?

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  37. on November 1, 2010 at 2:06 pm flyingsquirrel

    Unbe-fucking-lievable.

    I’m an atheist, and I never would have imagined I would say this; but I yearn for the day when Muslims take over that country.

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  38. I’m an atheist, and I never would have imagined I would say this; but I yearn for the day when Muslims take over that country

    Breaking news: atheist and wealthy society falls prey to a backward and reiligious culture.

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  39. The article’s proposal might be thinkable in the UK but it is completely silly here. I can foresee a possible ban on home-paternity-tests because of fear that stupid men will screw up the instructions and then unjustly murder their innocent wives, but no man who ever gets to visit his supposed child can be prevented from hiring a private lab to do the analysis.

    Mandatory paternity testing can fail to be passed due to feminist opposition, of course, but any man who wants to know the truth will be able to find it out, without needing to alienate the child’s mother by showing a lack of trust in her (unless he has no access to the child, in which case his relationship with the mother is obviously already broken so there will be no problem insisting publicly on a test).

    There is still the problem of clueless trusting husbands to whom it would never even occur that the child is not theirs. Short of MPT at birth, a law mandating paternity testing before any court-ordered child support would solve the main problem. In other words, what is required for a child support is EITHER biological fatherhood OR an acknowledgement by the man that he knows the child is not his and is willing to support it anyway (this would already be presumed for adoption, stepfathers, etc., but his signature on the birth certificate paperwork could not be interpreted as a promise of support in the event of non-biological paternity without an explicit waiver).

    By the way, I’m now blogging, click on the name above to get there (I usually comment here as “Polymath” but that was already taken at WordPress so if I am logged in there I show up here as “polymathblogger”).

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  40. on November 1, 2010 at 2:15 pm The Rational Male

    Dream Puppy-

    Why more women can’t see the damaging effects of feminism it is beyond me.

    I have a friend, actually an ex fuck buddy who I still hang out with, who just turned 40. I have to learn to keep my trap shut around her because she could be the poster child for today’s delusional famale.

    In her eyes, I am a 39 year old man who is single because I am “intimidated by strong, successful women” (like her) and I only want to date dysfunctional 22 year old beauty queens instead of “age appropriate women who have their lives together” (martini swilling cougars who make decent money).

    And here she is, a 40 year old internet dating queen who is the “victim” of guys like me who refuse to commit to such wonderful specimens of femininity. I would bet that she’s in the six figures for sexual partners. Where do I sign up to commit to someone like that!

    Feminism has indeed ruined American women. American men are slow to pull out of their pussy induced stupor, but we’re catching on to the sham that is dating 2.0 and marriage.

    I’m biding my time, building my business for the next coupe of years, and then I’m out of here. Yet another man who woke up to the raw deal and said “NO FUCKING WAY”.

    First stop, Costa Rica.

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  41. There is a compound, called Dutasteride, that works as an effective preventative of male pattern hair loss. Dustasteride works better than the earlier compound, Finasteride (Propacia) , because it blocks both recepters that create DHT, which is the compound responsible for male pattern baldness. However, DHT is also used by the testes to produce sperm. No DHT, no sperm production. In other words, the same compounds that prevent male pattern baldness also works as an effective male contraceptive.

    This is something most women are not aware of.

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  42. To hell with the feminists, I applaud this progressive banter but my dick can’t read.

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  43. Fred,

    Remember those VISA credit card ads “priceless”? Well, here’s one for you:

    http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/274495936.html

    This is the greatest “Best of Craigslist” I have ever read.

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  44. Interesting that someone talked about it in the National Review, but there’s no point in putting all the blame on the feminists. The social conservatives and neocons are going to line up behind a paternity test ban and say it destroys families or causes divorces and that the tests are fallible.

    Feminists oppose anything that would provide accountability for women and social cons go for anything that would increase responsibility for most men. Put that together and you really get screwed.

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  45. flyingsquirrel

    Unbe-fucking-lievable.

    I’m an atheist, and I never would have imagined I would say this; but I yearn for the day when Muslims take over that country.

    Check this out then….

    http://cormind.typepad.com/.a/6a010536d9e591970c0133f4d1311d970b-pi

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  46. I suspect the real reason radical feminism is so nasty is that it’s not about men, it’s about mothers-in-law.

    Left to arrange things without coercion, men and women could eventually work things out so that a man could sire and help raise children, *knowing* whose children they are.

    The radical feminists may not be thinking so much about their own or their daughters’ ability to cuckold some chump as their sons’ chances to do the same. They assume *their* son won’t be the chump.

    “A war between the sexes is silly; too much fraternization with the enemy.”

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  47. Danger

    One could always use the feminists own weapons against them…..

    Think of the Children! How can anyone be so evil as to deny a Child the right to know and love their own REAL Father?

    THIS is the preferred tactic of success when fighting an enemy more powerful than you; especially an enemy with greater political power.

    It also is successful in more extreme measures.

    Think of WW2 Partisans – and Viet Cong. Read some Ho Chi Minh for grand ideas – that work.

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  48. While it is truly amazing that anyone would publicly admit to supporting women’s “right” to deceive and morally rape a man into supporting kids that aren’t his, this is no doubt that this is what many modern western women truly want. Feminists (and I’m in law school, so I know) are about power over men, denigrating men, and basically mocking and hating men. They need to be undermined, fought, and eventually jailed for their crimes against society.

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  49. PA’s right on this one:
    There was never a magical feminist paradise in earlier times where men didn’t give two shits about whether their spouse, partner, etc’s children were or weren’t their own – one only has to look at how the ancients prized both virginity AND fidelity in females.

    “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter?”

    Isn’t it interesting how fembots will write off all (critical) male perspective on female issues as “YOU’RE A MALE, YOU WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND” yet so casually dismiss those issues that solely affect men (such as whether the children I’m raising are actually mine, and not the pool boy’s).

    ” ‘The result can be shattering, leading to divorce, marital violence, mental health difficulties for all parties including the children.’ ”

    Of course all of this could be avoided by women not fucking other men behind their partners backs (oh, and in before someone makes ridiculous claims that rapes are an important percentage of these bastards) but hey, that would detract from GRRRRL POWAH wouldn’t it?

    “Scientific certainty has produced clarity all right, and relieved any number of men of their moral obligations, but at God knows what cost in misery, recrimination and guilt. ”

    1. That “moral obligation” is founded on the idea that the children are of my flesh and blood – once that goes, so does the obligation honey (what of the “moral obligation” of women not cheat-oh right, GRRRL POWAH etc)
    2. I love how she places all the blame on the men who don’t want to support some other guys kids than on the women who can’t keep their legs shut

    Never change fembots

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  50. on November 1, 2010 at 2:33 pm too late for romance

    I’m definitely getting cut and storing sperm in a couple of sperm banks. After consultation with attorneys and drafting the proper agreements. If that turns out to be impossible, I’m just getting cut.

    No woman or man will have this kind of power over me. Ever.

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  51. @rational

    “Why more women can’t see the damaging effects of feminism it is beyond me.”

    Yes, and it is worse for women actually. A man can learn game or work his ass off and make a lot of money or get status through hard work. I can’t learn “pretty” at 50.

    Women have to make a choice when they are young. Men don’t.

    I have a similar friend, who is still in time for saving but it is hard to breach the “you are a depreciating asset” topic. Do you advice your friend? I don’t. It’s no use. Prices are sticky on the downslide.

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  52. that’s hilarious. please note that how the feminists speak is an excellent example of FRAME CONTROL; setting up the issue always as in the context of what’s good for HER (not HIM or the FAMILY).

    I like this comment from the National Reveiw’s comment section:

    “Feminists have long butted heads with reality — in insisting that promiscuity didn’t hurt women, that intimacy wouldn’t lead to babies, that men’s respect would increase if they played randy and callous, that motherhood was about empowerment and creativity.”

    Don’t worry everyone. When hyperinflation comes in a few years there will be a lot less concern for women’s rights.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gonzalo-liras-redux-signs-upcoming-hyperinflation

    2012 bitchez!!111

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  53. @Rational.

    Y PURA VIDA!!! You’re gonna have fun in Costa Rica.

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  54. on November 1, 2010 at 2:48 pm Professor Woland

    Interestingly, women will insist on DNA tests if it means collecting child support. I have yet to hear of a feminist that objects to paternity testing when it involves their benefit.

    The cat is definately out of the bag on this one. McDonah’s mewling is a simple admission of something that is now reality and will be forever more. Like the birth control pill, this technology is in the public domain and it isn’t going to go away.

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  55. After perusing the comments on the article, I think I’ve found an appropriate solution (courtesy of Coastal):
    “The kids could all be put in cots on an airport-style baggage carousel and just take which ever one comes up next when they’re leaving. Sauce for the goose, eh, Mel?”

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  56. There is good news, gents: Men are finally waking up and organizing. Here’s a link to a men’s group holding the very first meeting to discuss how to understand and confront radical feminism in Europe:

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Swiss_stage_world_s_first_antifeminism_event.html?cid=28666110

    Additionally, another link to a radio station in England which is for the first time airing men’s grievances with radical feminism. Bastardy and single momdom is even higher in the UK, at 50% of all births. It takes balls for a radio station to broadcast this stuff. After clicking on the link, click ‘Men’s Matters’:

    http://www.expressfm.com/ListenAgain/tabid/338/Default.aspx

    Personally, I’m with H on this one. Place Mz McDonagh’s head on the pavement and drive over it. This is non-negotiable. This is gender terrorism. There is no hand-wringing and no Neville Chamberlain-like appeasing in the face of evil. Ideally, she’d be hanged upside down like Benito Mussolini so all would see what the wages of cuckoldry are.

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  57. on November 1, 2010 at 2:54 pm Professor Woland

    The conservatives attack mandatory paternity testing on the grounds that it will lead to more abortions for the obvious reason.

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  58. Those bitches are trying to put Maury out of business. The paternity test shows make for great trash tv.

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  59. “The radical feminists may not be thinking so much about their own or their daughters’ ability to cuckold some chump as their sons’ chances to do the same. They assume *their* son won’t be the chump.”

    Yes, because the radical ones assume their sons will be gay.

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  60. Prof W,

    Correct — and that is the only valid reason to attack MPT. Combine it with an abortion ban though and you’re set.

    That’s also why I’d start with a ban on child support without a DNA test (or explicit waiver where the man states he will support a child knowing it is not biologically his).

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  61. Professor Woland

    The conservatives attack mandatory paternity testing on the grounds that it will lead to more abortions for the obvious reason.

    I agree with you less beaner-babies and ghetto wombspawn are a good thing, it’s just the way you phrase it is so stupid.

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  62. Wow! Conservatives and feminist will reject all facts and reason to support their ideology.

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  63. on November 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm Anonymous Feminist

    “The kind of absolutely insane ideas that people often attribute to feminists is mind-boggling. Melanie McDonagh…”

    http://clarissasbox.blogspot.com/2009/08/paternity-and-weird-understanding-of.html

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  64. You are a prophet.

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  65. Yeah, I can’t believe how prescient you are.

    But I don’t really think anything major will come of this, just because cuckoldry as a societal issue kinda flies under the radar compared to things like abortion.

    Anyways, access to paternity testing is a right: the right to seek the truth. But there’s no point beating a dead horse since we already knew that.

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  66. “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…”

    “The first love of a mother, as that of animals and men, is purely instinctive, and consequently ceases when the child is no longer physically helpless. After that, the first love should be reinstated by a love based on habit and reason; but this often does not appear, especially where the mother has not loved the father. The love of a father for his children is of a different nature and more sincere; it is founded on a recognition of his own inner self in the child, and is therefore metaphysical in its origin.”

    – Arthur Schopenhauer

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  67. I can’t wait to lie to women about being on the male birth control pill.

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  68. booooooooooring

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  69. @Dream Puppy

    Women need to start a movement similar to the men’s movement. Feminism is bad for us.

    For anti-feminist women, this is your only hope. Men have proven themselves utterly incapable of acting as an organized political group to stop feminist legislation. Sure a few guys here and there made a stand (I’m thinking of the guy in the south who helped overturn the law on child support for non-biological fathers), but since women were given the franchise, feminists have slowly but surely steamrolled mens rights.

    What men are good at doing, and are doing, is acting individually. Many of us are swearing off marriage.

    The ONLY reason any unmarried guys on this blog are considering marriage is because of children. And now the feminists want to take away our certainty about paternity? After they make paternity testing illegal (and they will), they will push for paternity tests to be inadmissible as evidence in child custody suits (in some states, it already doesn’t matter if you can prove the kid is not yours). Why would ANY man get married in such a regime? If the feminists get what they want, non-feminist women are going to be miserable.

    Organized female resistance to feminism is the only real legislative hope. Well that, and Islamic victory. I won’t hold my breath for the former, and am rooting for the latter in their fight against the forcible injection of the femi-virus into their nations.

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  70. You realize of course that Melanie McDonagh is no feminist, and certainly no liberal. She is a Catholic apologist who used to write for the American Statesman. My guess is that her opposition to paternity testing has more to do with her belief that it would lead to more abortion (as Prof. W says) and/or divorce. Her preference is not equality for women, at any rate.

    [Editor: Who cares what she calls herself or the reasons she gives for her positions? Advocating a ban on paternity testing is feminist boilerplate.]

    @Samod: “There was never a magical feminist paradise in earlier times where men didn’t give two shits about whether their spouse, partner, etc’s children were or weren’t their own…”

    Whether or not they qualify as paradise for feminists, societies exist today where men don’t care whether they sired the children they are raising–and in fact men and women conspire to intentionally keep paternity in doubt. The women are very promiscuous, and the norm is for them to intentionally blur paternity by having sex with a variety of men besides the nominal husband. Men accept this norm since it creates several possible fathers who will then care for the children should the “legal” father die prematurely.

    [Are these the same cultures as the mythological fatopia where the men love to get it on with whales?]

    This suggests a socially constructed or economic rather than an evolutionary basis in concerns over paternity.

    [Jealousy is not socially constructed. But you know what is socially constructed? Coming up with twisted, implausible explanations for plain as day observations of human nature.]

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  71. @Chain said: “Well that, and Islamic victory.”

    That would also fix the banking problem….

    Chain, I think you are right. Once the tide shifts enough so that plenty of women are suddenly getting off the carousel, looking around, and finding there’s no one left to provide for her rapidly aging ass things may change.

    Would this raise the status of betas?

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  72. R Stanton said: “Whether or not they qualify as paradise for feminists, societies exist today where men don’t care whether they sired the children they are raising–and in fact men and women conspire to intentionally keep paternity in doubt. ”

    Name more than one and provide evidence.

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  73. @Anonymous Feminist

    http://clarissasbox.blogspot.com/2009/08/paternity-and-weird-understanding-of.html

    You are wrong. McDonagh is a feminist, she is just more visionary than you. Not too far into the future, her stance on this will be central to feminism, though the party line on this will be worded less obnoxiously.

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  74. This quote from the article completely sums up her view of the matter:

    “At a stroke, the one thing that women had going for them has been taken away, the one respect in which they had the last laugh over their husbands and lovers.”

    The last laugh?

    It’s no wonder that the best comedians are men if that is what tickles a woman’s funny bone.

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  75. on November 1, 2010 at 4:27 pm theobsidianfiles

    Like the old saying goes, when you’re right, you’re right, and on this issue you hit a grand slam. There’s just no way any sane, honest person could read that article, along with your piece a few years ago, and not see that something is very wrong. Women cannot have it both ways – if they can choose under what circumstances they can be a parent, Men can choose, too, one way or another.

    Although I am aware of the fact that there are a few states currently that pisses on paternity testing, I’ll go out on a limb and say right now, that such moves to make it nationwide won’t work, even if they put it into law. Why? Because Men will just start voting with their feet – its already happening wrt to what some call the “marriage strike” among Men. Of course, this has been extant for a very long time in Black America, although like everything else, no one, and that included Black Women, ever thought to ask why Black Men were in no rush to get down the altar. It couldn’t be due to some of the very issues White guys like you and others have been shining a light on now in more recent years, now could it? I chuckle at the irony of the whole enterprise.

    At any rate, your post was spot on, bravo. Here’s a few links from my own blog that fall in line with what you’re saying:

    http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/tony-dungy-tries-to-run-the-old-jedi-mindtrick/

    http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/im-just-sayin-the-obsidian-replies-to-essence-magazines-jill-scotts-column-boys-to-men/

    http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/ms-little-clever-black-silly-is-baaack/

    http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/the-obsidians-reply-to-ms-hello/

    Again, great job with the post and prediction! And thanks.

    O.

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  76. Someone pointed out that if the mother gets to choose who the father is, then that father then gets to choose who the mother is. Kick out the liar and bring in someone more honest, for a start.

    It’s for the children.

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  77. The funny thing is, google says she’s a Catholic right winger, not a feminist. Which is why I say, “conservative” women in the West are nothing of the sort.

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  78. on November 1, 2010 at 4:35 pm Steve Johnson

    People who think feminists are anti-male are wrong.

    How can a woman’s movement be anti-male? Feminists have sons and try to mate with men they find attractive.

    The only reason people think this article is anti-male is because they are putting themselves in the shoes of the cuckolded man instead of the sneaky fucker who impregnated her. Hint: the sneaky fucker is male too.

    Feminism is actually a movement to benefit low SMV women at the expense of high SMV women.

    Dreamcatcher is right; feminism screws women. However, it doesn’t screw women who are feminists!

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  79. Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

    yeah, it’s called having sex with one guy at a time, like exclusively.

    The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not…


    Actually, paternity is pretty much unambiguous, it’s almost binary, either a person is the father, or he isn’t.
    This isn’t pick ‘n choose.

    Another cry for primitivism from our clueless, lefty hater-class. Just what do they teach kids these days? This reminds me of a Cecil Adams question on how do primitive people think babies are made.

    GOTV, people, cluelessly smug lefties need to get put down, hard.

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  80. DNA testing is going to rob women of their right to make betas toil to raise the genes of a psychopath.

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  81. […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by RDonlak, Fifty Six. Fifty Six said: Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing: http://t.co/vPJxEUw […]

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  82. on November 1, 2010 at 4:48 pm Anonymous Feminist

    >>[Editor: Who cares what she calls herself or the reasons she gives for her positions?<>Advocating a ban on paternity testing is feminist boilerplate.]<<
    Prove it.

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  83. @ Stanton Scott

    You realize of course that Melanie McDonagh is no feminist, and certainly no liberal. She is a Catholic apologist who used to write for the American Statesman. My guess is that her opposition to paternity testing has more to do with her belief that it would lead to more abortion (as Prof. W says) and/or divorce. Her preference is not equality for women, at any rate.

    her preference is for no-fault no-accountability sex for women, and all-fault all-responsibility sex for men

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  84. “Feminism is actually a movement to benefit low SMV women at the expense of high SMV women.”

    Was just thinking about this the last couple days. One will note that feminism and her cultural ally, marxism, are both ideologies of the envious. I was wondering why the most vocal well known feminists tend to be really, ugly jewish women. Then it dawned on me, could you imagine going through life smart as hell, probably on the right hand side of the bell curve in women’s intelligence and then realizing that the best breeding stock, white european males, are hardwired to choose symmetry and proportionality as they generally infer better immune systems, etc.. Basically characteristics modern day society consider beautiful, and all other qualifiers are distant second, and here you are with an excess of brains and a shortage of beauty and we wonder why these bitter shrews spew the shit they do.

    Ha ha

    If they weren’t fucking over society/civilization I’d almost feel sorry for them.

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  85. the sneaky fucker is male too.

    That’s true, but then what does my body my choice mean?

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  86. yep, that sucks.

    I guess it’s been banned in france for some time:

    “The reasons for which the Government said the ban should remain were related to the preservation of peace within French families. According to some online articles, Germany, has also banned (or plans to ban) paternity testing for similar reasons. French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology.” http://www.ibdna.com/regions/UK/EN/?page=paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france

    paternity testing should really be used when a couple is going through divorce. If the family is breaking up anyway, paternity testing should exempt him from child support. time to find the real father to make HIM start supporting the kids. I agree that families are not always determined by blood..but to shackle a guy (after a divorce) to pay for kids that weren’t his in the first place is just wrong. it just should NOT be banned out right simply for the “good and stability of society.”

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  87. yeah, leftism, social justice, feminism, diversity champions, et al. all seem to boil down to the phrase “give me your money.”

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  88. I’m a feminist and I don’t support a ban on DNA testing for paternity at all. And I think anybody who does is a) stupid and b) not feminist.

    If some crazy idiots somewhere proclaim this as a feminist position, that doesn’t make it so.

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  89. on November 1, 2010 at 5:00 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    This is just a blatant and egregious violation of men’s civil rights. There’s not even any subtlety or valid argument on the other side. Pure female supremacy and misandry. This woman is an awful and irredeemable human being.

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  90. [Editor: Who cares what she calls herself or the reasons she gives for her positions? Advocating a ban on paternity testing is feminist boilerplate.]

    Your political views are preventing you from seeing that feminism has become so institutionalized that the radical feminists and official social conservatives are both going in the same direction. The rhetoric is different but “equality” and “chivalry” both lead to the same anti-beta-male policies.

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  91. The logic that led you to predict this was of course sound. But it’s still astonishing to see it come true. What interesting times we live in.

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  92. Totally unrelated, but I figure le Chateau might be able to have some fun with this:

    http://mathiasmikkelsen.com/2010/10/amazing-facts-about-facebook-and-breakups/

    Not surprisingly, it seems a lot of breakups happen just BEFORE Spring Break…and Christmas. Hypergamy FTW!

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  93. on November 1, 2010 at 5:15 pm Professor Woland

    In the long run, paternity fraud is dead. We can expect women, who are better organized politically and have the vestages of legal privleges bestowed on them from a more chivalrous prior era to run with this for now, but they are doomed. The principle that men will pay only if the child is his will be universal.

    First of all, it is in the states interest to establish paternity if for no other reason than it gets them off the hook to pay. Men who are forced to pay child support for children they did not father takes a very heavy handed approached and will alienate many more people then it will placate. Talk about making an enemy. Second, the state will still need to do testing because many women will insist in order to collect child support which is rightfully owed. Cannot have it both ways. Lastly, men will continue to press for custody. This is especially true in a world where many women work and earn equal pay.

    On a side note, France is generally considered to be the worst country in Europe for women to get divorced in (England is considered the best). in the case of binational marriages / divorces. Because it is socialist and eqaltarian, the child support payments are very low because all or most of the childs financial needs are already met by the state. It probably matters less to the Government who the father is seeing as they will be paying for the kid anyway through a heavy tax which falls heavily on its male population. Take your pick.

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  94. on November 1, 2010 at 5:24 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Even if Melanie McDonagh isn’t a feminist, she is operating within a context where feminism has affected the minds of virtually all women. So women who claim to be anti-feminist or traditional are often feminist without knowing it. She does have a job writing, after all, and isn’t home with children, so she’s a product of feminism in that respect.

    This is what I like to call Oprah feminism. It’s not based on any real ideology or sound idea, but instead assumes men are evil and/or worthless and females need to “get one over” on men because they’re all “oppressed” all the time.

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  95. Why would issues of incontrovertible fairness and individual rights as understood by women ever be discussed, anywhere, ever? Come on. Everyone reading this blog knows what a waste of time that is. You may as well try to discuss with a parrot the geopolitical ramifications of pan-Arab nationalism in post-Saddam Iraq.

    Rational Male: why would you hang around a woman like that? Have you told her that you don’t want to date old, bitchy women like her? I would. Man up buddy.

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  96. on November 1, 2010 at 5:29 pm The Rational Male

    dream puppy,

    Yes, and it is worse for women actually. A man can learn game or work his ass off and make a lot of money or get status through hard work. I can’t learn “pretty” at 50.

    Women have to make a choice when they are young. Men don’t.

    I have a similar friend, who is still in time for saving but it is hard to breach the “you are a depreciating asset” topic. Do you advice your friend? I don’t. It’s no use. Prices are sticky on the downslide.

    Is it worse for men or for women?

    That’s debatable.

    I just turned 39 years old. The last girl I had sex with was a cute 22 yr old latina. The one before that was a 33 yr old 8.5 who could have been a bikini model, even at 33. Before that I had numerous one-three nighters and the occasional STR. Before that I dated a cute, petite 21 yr old (ten years my junior)

    Since my early 30’s I have been enjoying being one of the cocks on the cock carousel, but now that I am getting close to 40 the idea of settling down sounds more and more appealing to me.

    Is my stock still climbing? You betcha. But it is frustrating and disheartening to look around and see nothing but delusional, self-entitled princesses waving their grrrrl power flags and complaining about not being able to find a good man.

    So who has it worse? The guy who wants to settle down with a decent woman who doesn’t exist? Or the woman who squanders her mate value, trying to squeeze every last ounce out of her rapidly depreciating assets?

    I’m done. I’m over it. I will continue to enjoy the free poon while I bide my time to get myself prepared to travel to lands where women want to be wives and mothers and my passive income $$$’s will buy me twice as much comfort as they do in the states.

    As for trying to advise women that they should be concentrating more on learning how to attract and keep a man and less on partying and making money? Ain’t gonna happen. These ideas are deeply ingrained in our society and very few women possess the foresight to see what is in store for them or the capacity to see that that it is their actions past and present that are the cause of their current and future situation.

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  97. [Editor: Jealousy is not socially constructed. But you know what is socially constructed? Coming up with twisted, implausible explanations for plain as day observations of human nature.]

    Such as:
    Some TA in SOC 101 forgot to instruct junior that although technically “easy” to post and try out Academia’s Favooorite Chestnut’s here, one also runs the risk of looking like a poseur, dilettante fuckstick.

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  98. on November 1, 2010 at 5:34 pm The Rational Male

    dream puppy,

    Y PURA VIDA!!! You’re gonna have fun in Costa Rica.

    I better start brushing up on my spanish, hehe.

    My buddy called me up a coupe of months ago and told me that he was marrying his girl.

    My first thought was, “Damn dude, what the hell are you thinking???”

    But then I realized that his chick is a super sweet and delectable Costa Rican girl who, on the numerous times I had met her, impressed me with her feminine charm and beauty.

    Then I realized I was happy for him.

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  99. Great news for men this. Just don’t accept the kid; she cannot prove fatherhood without paternity tests

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  100. Had to post this, read it a bit ago on BestOfCraigslist…read it from time to time – hey, I don’t have cable.

    Title is Vasectomy: $400: Speechless look on her face: Priceless.

    [q]I’ll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

    I got a vasectomy.

    I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

    I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

    We date for a few months. I never made any move towards commitment but she brought it up ocassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her – as I was to find out – it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

    Four months into dating, I get the “I’m pregnant” talk. She’s going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married “for the baby”. She’s positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she’s gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

    At this point, I’m just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse “oops” on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can’t think beyond their own uteri.

    So I wait a couple of days to “think about all this.” I meet her again. I say I don’t want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely batshit insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

    Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I’m laughing hysterically.

    It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notarized copy of the TWO test results indicating a “negative test result for sperm” to show I’m sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I’m ready.

    I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

    She’s all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly – or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. “Are you sure that this baby is mine?”

    Well, she goes batshit insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she’s really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she’s a slut. I’m just trying to weasel out of my responsibilities… blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    I’m not really mad. I’m kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won’t shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

    I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

    I tell her simply, “You’re screwed”.

    Her look doesn’t change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

    I continue. “I am sterile”

    Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women’s logic. “You’re full of shit. You’re trapped and you know it.”

    I hold up the letter and the test results. “Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine.”

    This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. “Bullshit, those are fakes.”

    I was ready for that. “No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It’s a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine.”

    I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It’s a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

    I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

    Epilogue –

    I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

    The Moral of the Story –

    Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret. [/q]

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  101. on November 1, 2010 at 5:57 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Days of Broken Arrows, she is a woman claiming to be a feminist, not a woman claiming not to be a feminist. Can you tell the difference? Do you have any logical brain cells in that little head of yours?

    How do you know whether she has any children or whether she works in the office or works part time from home.

    Was there feminism in the middle ages or was it your utopia of women living at home and rearing their children.

    Not that I give a damn what she does or where she does it. She is a rabid right wing idiot who does not care about the rights of men or women. Or children.

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  102. People against paternity testing confuse me. Is it good, or bad, to introduce honesty into the family unit again? Is it good, or bad, to give men confidence in their fledgling family?

    men against paternity testing = white knighting beta bitches

    women against paternity testing = dominating femcunts who love intrigue

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  103. Anonymous Feminist,

    Detox my Buttox.

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  104. Clarissa,

    If some crazy idiots somewhere proclaim this as a feminist position, that doesn’t make it so.

    Yes it does. It is up to you to prove otherwise, since most feminists are rabid anti-male extremists.

    Now, be a good girl, and…..

    Detox my Buttox.

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  105. I can’t seem to figure out why some people out there, when the topic of paternity fraud comes up, they bring up adoption. Those two things are totally different. One case the man KNOWS, fully and completely that he is not the father, and is taking on this responsibility to raise another man’s child, and the other one, the man is led to believe it is his child, but in reality, it isn’t.

    If genetics means nothing, then there’s no reason at all to make sure that the right baby goes home with the right mother from the hospital.

    The importance of genetics cannot be put into words.

    Genetics. Is. It.

    It is the reason when a guy sees a hot female walking down the street his head turns and follows her. He has about 2 BILLION years of evolution behind him Ordering him:

    “Reproduce. Now. All other priorities are rescinded! Get naked and bump uglies with that fine piece of ass! It doesn’t matter how, just pass on your genes!”

    Paternity testing is out of the bag. I’ve already decided to have any future kids of mine tested. I’m not going to ask their mother for permission. It’s none of her business as far as I’m concerned.

    Even if it were made illegal in this country, I would still figure out a way to have the test done. I would order a test kit from a foreign country, if it shows they are my kids, then great, I’ll slave away at a job I probably hate all the harder.

    If it comes back, and they’re not mine, I can just gradually opt out. I could just cancel important home/health insurance policies, miss scheduled maintenance on cars, let the house fall into disrepair, miss an important bill payment or three, in short, just let the lying whore and her spawn inherit a load of problems. That would only be in the case where I as a man would have little to no legal recourse, and be forced to support child(ren) who are not mine.

    I would not be at all surprised that if the worst-case scenario happens, that more and more men go the route the I just described.

    If you want to bring down a civilization, make sure the men who build it have no stake in it, and watch it slowly crumble.

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  106. McDonagh fails to notice that even with the spectre of reliable paternity testing hanging over the scene women can still choose who they want to help raise their kids. The only difference from the old days is that now they must do it while telling the truth about biological fatherhood. But that by itself does not elimnate the possibility of enlisting a beta-nice guy as provider-diaper changer, no sex tonight father figure. Go for it. Just tell the truth.
    Of course, empowerment has always been synonomous with ly-ing and getting away with it in the feministic mind. This lady is just showing her habitual thought patterns.

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  107. Better get that partenity test done right after the kid pops out. My understanding is that current law in most states forces child support even on non-biological fathers if “dad” has “bonded” to the child.

    Better yet, store up some sperm and get cut.

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  108. “Feminism is actually a movement to benefit low SMV women at the expense of high SMV women.”

    Rush Limbaugh: “24. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.”

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  109. @Professor Woland

    First of all, it is in the states interest to establish paternity if for no other reason than it gets them off the hook to pay. Men who are forced to pay child support for children they did not father takes a very heavy handed approached and will alienate many more people then it will placate. Talk about making an enemy.

    The government has been trampling mens rights ever since women were given the franchise. What makes you think this will be the line in the sand they dare not cross?

    Because this is so clearly against mens interests? People are readily persuaded to vote against their own interests. Examples? Well, how about middle class citizens voting for either Dems or GOP, both of which support the fourth, unconstitutional branch of government, the Federal Reserve.

    Second, the state will still need to do testing because many women will insist in order to collect child support which is rightfully owed. Cannot have it both ways.

    LOL. Have you been paying attention to what is happening in America? Feminism is all about having it both ways.

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  110. @Rum – great comment.

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  111. “Reproduce. Now. All other priorities are rescinded! Get naked and bump uglies with that fine piece of ass! It doesn’t matter how, just pass on your genes!”

    -HAHAHA Love it.

    “If you want to bring down a civilization, make sure the men who build it have no stake in it, and watch it slowly crumble.”

    This is why the western world is dying. The West has turned their backs on the men who built it. Sucks for future white males unless radical action is taken.

    Right Wing Nationalism? Aye Aye. It has my vote.

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  112. on November 1, 2010 at 6:35 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Paternity testing is already banned in France. You don’t need feminists to make it illegal in the USA. Some of their best allies are the “chivalrous” men on the Christian right, who see other men as evil and the Catholics who see all sex as bad. This is why McDonagh is feminist whether she says she is or not. It doesn’t matter what she says; her ideas speak for her.

    I’d respond to the insults hurled at me a few posts ago, but I don’t acknowledge ugly autistic chicks in the real world and certainly won’t do so online.

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  113. No surprise here. Feminists hate truth and accountability like vampires hate garlic.

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  114. “The woman elected to be Brazil’s first female president has promised to make gender equality a priority.”

    “Ms Rousseff, a former Marxist rebel who was imprisoned for three years in the early 1970s for resisting military rule,…”

    Good luck Basil

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11666013

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  115. Crazy to see this shit actually happening, and the degree to which people enable it with seemingly plausible quasi-logic (R. Stanton Scott)…

    …. and it’s funny because EVEN IF increased interest in paternity authentication is “socially constructed,” it’s obviously the better choice due to the increased autonomy of the group as a whole. But no, the mere existence of a group of people who carouse around with different partners is enough to abandon our “social constructs,” regardless of how those societies preform relative to the rest of the world.

    .. Which completely overlooks the massive assumption that differences in pair bonding between groups of individuals across the globe COULDN’T POSSIBLY be due to actual genetic differences.. because that would be racist, which of course we all know is just a mirage instilled in us from birth.

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  116. on November 1, 2010 at 6:49 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Days of Broken Arrows
    Paternity is not banned in France. It is regulated. As is everything else there lol.

    Get your words right even if you can’t get your facts right.

    [Editor: You seem to be operating under the mistaken impression that there is, or can be, no such thing as a conservative religious feminist. What a strange shrike you are.]

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  117. “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter? …In making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.”

    Jesus fuck. Schopenhauer was right when he wrote that women by and large have neither the capacity to understand nor really any inclination to care about such abstract concepts as justice. Paternity testing ‘removes from women an instrument of choice?’ What the fucking fuck?

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  118. on November 1, 2010 at 7:01 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Editor

    You need to prove that this is the ‘feminist boilerplate’. You claimed it, prove it.

    [Editor: Don’t be a dumbass. Anti-paternity testing advocacy is among the slipstream of modern fembot thought. I’ve read it plenty of places. Sure, some fembots are for PT, just as some are also anti-abortion. The telling, conspicuous evidence that one is dealing with a fembot at heart is the use of the words “instrument of choice” or “denial of choice”, in various permutations.
    Regardless, since I’m not getting paid to do this, and since you are an insignificant speck of shit on the net, I’m not going to hunt down links to quotes or articles. DYODW.]

    As for that Days of Broken Arrows. It is one thing for him to make a valid point. Another thing is downright lying. Paternity testing is *not* banned in France. It is regulated. Home paternity tests are ‘banned’. Paternity testing isn’t. I thought you didn’t like lies.

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  119. “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter? …

    Nah, so what if the poor beta-provider sweats the irreplacable days of his life away to support some thug’s spawn and for his efforts is consigned to genetic extinction?

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  120. on November 1, 2010 at 7:11 pm You Know I'm Right

    Oswald Spengler quote that sums up the current gender and racial civilizational disaster, from the excellent book THE HOUR OF DECISION [read that book, link below]:

    “But the decay of the white family, the inevitable outcome of megalopolitan existence, is spreading, and it is devouring the “race” of nations. The meaning of man and wife, the will to perpetuity, is being lost. People live for themselves alone, not for future generations. The nation as society, once the organic web of families, threatens to dissolve, from the city outwards, into a sum of private atoms, of which each is intent on extracting from his own and other lives the maximum of amusement – panem et circenses. The women’s emancipation of Ibsen’s time wanted, not freedom from the husband, but freedom from the child, from the burden of children, just as men’s emancipation in the same period signified freedom from the duties towards family, nation, and State. The whole of Liberal-Socialistic problem-literature revolves about this suicide of the white race. It has been the same in all other Civilizations.”

    http://ia341210.us.archive.org/2/items/TheHourOfDecision/HOD.pdf

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  121. on November 1, 2010 at 7:13 pm Professor Woland

    Being a veteran of the custody wars, I am only too familiar with how the law is stacked in favor of women. Men will never be able to fully skip out on paying child support if the children are theirs but the reverse is also true. Women will not be able to continue collecting money unless paternity is established. Quite frankly, that is the way it should be. The situation now where some unfortunate sucker is paying for someone else’s offspring will eventually be a relic of the past. Everything is moving in the direction of more transparency and pay as you go. This will take a generation to work itself out. This is why McDonaugh is fretting not gloating.

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  122. Anonymous Feminist

    “Prove it.”

    “David Hinchliffe, chairman of the Commons Health Select Committee, called for them to be banned.

    “I think it’s the children who could suffer most,” Mr Hinchliffe said.

    “I think they (the firm) are blundering into a very dangerous area.

    “They are enticing fathers, obviously on the back of the Child Support Agency issue, to carry out tests without any reference whatsoever to the child’s feelings or discussion with the mother. Her consent or views are not taken account of in the propaganda they have issued.”

    “I hope the company might think through the implications of this because I am sure they must realise that the likely consequences are damaged and destroyed relationships, and I suspect that some people could, as a consequence of this, sadly be even driven to contemplating suicide.”

    Mr Hinchliffe added: “I hope the Government will find some way to block the activities of this agency and other agencies undertaking similar testing.

    “I intend to pursue the matter with the Department of Health. I want to see it stopped. Clearly there is a huge gap in law here where there is no provision in respect of non-medical use of DNA.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/131744.stm

    No true Scotsman etc. etc…

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  123. Anonymous fem

    You want proof that feminists are lock-step against DNA paternity testing? Try to find one anywhere who has come out publically in her own name to argue the point. Low number bloggers do not count.
    One would think that a smart female politician would want to get out in front of the inevitable flow of history and win major male support. I mean, this is only going to turn out one way. These tests are cheap and can be done completely under a womans radar. Perhaps, if they are to be done officially, maybe in some jurisdictions the mom could try to block the process. Like that would help her position. It would be as good as an admission of having misled the diaper-changer and every sort of unpleasantness would proceed on schedule.

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  124. This article is titled “Paternity Testing Banned in France” which sounds to me like, um, paternity testing may be banned in France.

    http://www.ibdna.com/regions/UK/EN/?page=paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france

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  125. And another:

    “In France, the law bans a father from seeking a paternity test without a judge’s authorization,” said the firm’s technical director, Jorge Puente.

    What was that word? Oh yes, “BANS.”

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gqOQJ9Q4STQhxRm0hOlLTXDWEC0g

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  126. on November 1, 2010 at 7:37 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Gila
    That so called ‘article’ of yours is on a website for surprise surprise, a company that does home DNA testing. Look it up properly.

    Rum
    Why don’t you write to say 5 feminist MPs and ask them what they think of MPT at birth, like the mandatory Aids testing they do on pregnant women. Clever man like you, it will take you less than 10 minutes to write it, you could use the same template. You can just post to the House of Commons or just follow the format for MP email addresses.

    Even battleaxe extreme feminists like Harriet Harman have done more for men’s rights like giving them parental rights for unmarried fathers (if they want it) without having to marry the mother. Long paternity leave.

    [Editor: Yeah, that’s been a real boon for business. I’m against mandated paternity leave as well as mandated maternity leave.]

    Seems more than any of the whiny omegas in the so called MRA. Has the so called MRA ever achieved any one thing to help men? Or just whining. Like old women. Except a bunch of old women in the Women’s Institute would achieve more in one week than the MRA in years of the internet.

    [Does the MRA bogeyman keep you up at night, darlin’?]

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  127. I can’t see too many downsides to knowing who the biological father of a child is, although it is definitely best done when the child is an infant before any bonding has taken place. My husband told me that at this point if one of our kids isn’t his he doesn’t want to know. As Rum and a few others pointed out knowing who the real father is doesn’t mean the mother has to marry him and she can have another man raise the child with her. I read Melanie’s article in the Times someone posted here (it is pretty good) and much of her argument for banning paternity testing seems to be that it will add intrigue to society and it keeps men humble. She likes the idea that kings likely had children fathered by foot soldiers. I like the idea, too, an arrogant pr**k of a king getting cuckolded is amusing. She wondered where Momma Mia would have been with paternity testing. I still don’t think it should be banned, though.

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  128. Yep, and there will be further bans. Paternity testing radically undermines a species-old female prerogative: cuckolding, thereby sidestepping the compromise of alpha genes vs beta support by getting each from each, on the QT. Many women viscerally sense the threat here, as the author of the linked article does. The state will also not like mandatory PT, and may even prefer banning it, because as far as the state is concerned, duped beta cuckolds who are responsible to pay for the spawn are preferable to trying to track down some sneaky fucker who may have fathered 50 or more kids to shake him down for cash he doesn’t have. Let the betas suck it — that will be the approach of the state. And the betas? What will they do? What they generally do today … get on their knees and obediently suck.

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  129. on November 1, 2010 at 7:41 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Gila
    Read this again.
    ‘Paternity testing is *not* banned in France. It is regulated. Home paternity tests are ‘banned’. ‘

    “In France, the law bans a father from seeking a paternity test *without a judge’s authorization*
    Get it yet?

    [Editor: Wow, yeah, France sounds like a leading light for basic individual rights. “Judge’s authorization”. Get off my blog!]

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  130. What about the chicks who get impregnated by an alien(s)? Is there is a DNA test for that? – http://www.metatech.org/satanic_miitary_alien_abductions.html

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  131. on November 1, 2010 at 7:48 pm Anonymous Feminist

    ‘[Editor: Yeah, that’s been a real boon for business. I’m against mandated paternity leave as well as mandated maternity leave.]’
    Paternity leave is not mandatory. The father has the option to take it (and get financial help), he does not have to. I am not aware that maternity leave is mandatory in the UK but I could be wrong.

    Are you against Paternity Leave?

    I like the way you completely ignored my point about the way unmarried men can now have rights over their children which previously they could have only got by marrying the mother. Thanks to the feminists.

    [Editor: Are you a congenital retard? I’m just curious. No judging if you are. But you do realize that one semi-rational policy change that feminists advocate for does not justify nor undo the billion other insane policies they also support.]

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  132. Anony Fem

    You took the bait. You replied to my claim of “they do not exist” by asserting, “See, there are some, they are just vanishly rare – to the point of irrelevance!”
    Thank you.
    I am not sure what a mens rights activists is. At any rate, I think the notion is doomed. There are too many instinctual currents running against it. Men and women are wired to rescue women in all circumstances and to see men as expendable. That will never change.
    However, men are good at technology, like developing ways to catch out destructive female trickery and we do that pretty well even without any help at all from your side.

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  133. on November 1, 2010 at 7:52 pm Anonymous Feminist

    I did not claim that France was a leading light for basic individual rights. Or say that it was a good thing. I even said that everything was regulated there. I called out a lie. That’s all.

    [Editor: The only lying going on here is the effluvium from the flapping of your gums.]

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  134. It’s feminist because feminism is the theory and practice of prioritizing women’s interests ahead of those of men AND CHILDREN*, and of institutionalizing that prioritization.

    That’s both the proper etymological definition and the real-world observational definition, BTW, so don’t bother trying to attack it. Anybody who’s paying attention knows it’s true; feminism isn’t about equality because feminists have done virtually nothing about issues such as male suicide or male genital mutilation. They haven’t even identified them as ‘feminist’ issues *per se*.

    I’ll repeat it again for emphasis: Feminism is not about equality. Feminism is about prioritizing women’s interests ahead of those of men AND CHILDREN*, and of institutionalizing that prioritization.

    *I recommend that people ALWAYS capitalize the ‘AND CHILDREN’ part; people are already too inclined through both culture and nature to reflexively ignore or forget that aspect of the female chauvanist supremacy movement, and the destruction of their false narrative needs all the help it can get.

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  135. on November 1, 2010 at 7:55 pm Anonymous Feminist

    Rum

    I do not see how I took your so called bait. I suggested to write to 5 female and feminist MPs. I did not name any names to write to. I did not name any political parties.

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  136. I enjoyed this post more than most of your recent ones. This is one of your top ten “women are stupid, immoral, irrational cunts” posts.

    [Editor: Correction: Feminists are stupid, immoral, irrational cunts. Women on the whole are a mixed bag of smarts, just as men are, and are morally and (ir)rationally skewed to favor security over justice.]

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  137. @Rational

    “But then I realized that his chick is a super sweet and delectable Costa Rican girl who, on the numerous times I had met her, impressed me with her feminine charm and beauty.

    Then I realized I was happy for him.”

    This is what is so terrible! Had he stayed in America would he have married? There are actually men that want to marry and reproduce and provide and we are kicking them out of the mating pool.

    My husband said he would have always been single had he not met me. And frankly I am not that great. I guess women in some place can be traumatizing…

    How many great dads and husbands are we pushing away?

    Congrats to your friend btw.

    And yes, you should brush up on your spanish!!

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  138. “The woman elected to be Brazil’s first female president has promised to make gender equality a priority.”

    “Ms Rousseff, a former Marxist rebel who was imprisoned for three years in the early 1970s for resisting military rule,…”

    So is surra de bunda feminist or anti-feminist? I can’t decide. The guy is enjoying it, so I reckon it is oppressive.

    gruda, gruda….

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  139. “Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them”

    By logical extension women would be able to just “name” complete strangers as the fathers of their children, and those males would have no legal way of clearing their names.

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  140. “Editor: Are you a congenital retard? I’m just curious. No judging if you are. ”

    LOL

    “[Editor: Correction: Feminists are stupid, immoral, irrational cunts. Women on the whole are a mixed bag of smarts, just as men are, and are morally and (ir)rationally skewed to favor security over justice.]

    I would say rationally skewed. We are weak and make less money so it’s in our best interest to seek protection. I guess the problem is that SOME (bitches be ruining it for everyone!) have the same expectations as before, but want to bear none of the responsibilities. Greedy!!

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  141. My guess is feminists get their way. I mean, who will stand up for men’s rights? The right not to raise another man’s child?

    So, the ban will not hold back the tide, merely make pretty much most men except the least desired of the least desired, the omega of the omegas, commit at all. Not even to cohabitation. And every guy will try his best to be like Antonio Cromartie, who cannot recall the names of his seven kids, nor the names of their six different mothers.

    It will be a feminist paradise: only the most thuggish and violent of men need apply (see the Black community that hit this first) and those not are SOL. Kids will be a matter for women only, and kids will be by the most thuggish/violent, as men race to the bottom for Alpha-ness and beta provider = raising another man’s bastard kid.

    There won’t be many takers for the latter option. Feminists can do what they want, but men can do what they want too. Bottom line, men not 100% certain of paternity, invest as little as possible in kids and spread their seed as widely as possible. This is good for West African types of “sexy dominance” and low level agricultural poverty, see also Brazil’s Favelas and the narco-trafficantes of Mexico, but not for a high-tech, wealth producing society.

    Women will get EXACTLY what they want: a society like West Africa or Brazil’s Favelas. Really what’s the point of raising some bad boy’s spawn? Better to be a bad boy, leave seven kids among six impoverished women.

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  142. Were you not telling me that the HoC contained 5 MPs who were for DNA testing? If so, that is a small number indeed. If not, then I misunderstood. If I did, be gentle with me because I an the habit of googling for information before subjecting myself to the staff-generated answers from professional politicians.
    Maybe that is just me.

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  143. Cuckoldry is simply the lowest form of behavior possible. A “f*ck you” to anyone who would actually defend this practice is neither inappropriate nor in bad form.

    Men and women should work with one another, not against. It takes two parents to run a family, to have that merger of resources and safety insurance called marriage for the sake of the children. Daddy is always number one, and no matter how distant he seems he is always someone to like and respect.

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  144. […] Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing « Citizen Renegade "Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them. The point is that paternity was ambiguous and it was effectively up to the mother to name her child’s father, or not… Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice." – is she serious? the choice to sleep around with whoever you want and foist the child on your unwitting husband? […]

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  145. since you are an insignificant speck of shit on the net

    this

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  146. There was no shortage of old, ugly, bitter, hate-filled feminist “professors” like Melanie McDonagh when I was in college in the 90s. Even though I was a liberal back then I knew that these specimens were simply evil.

    The stereotype of the angry, ugly, bitter feminist who cannot get a man is 100% accurate. On a happy note, sub-humans like Melanie McDonagh usually die as lonely spinsters surrounded by cats who don’t even notice when she dies as long as they are fed.

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  147. @Anonymous Feminist

    Go jump on a dick and choke on the morning after pill.

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  148. “Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…”

    I remember when H first wrote about this and I honestly, genuinely thought he was being a little overdramatic. There’s no way women could try and justify cuckolding, right? I swear to God, you feel like you’re at the bottom of the hole and the floor falls out from under you.

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  149. @JayM

    Cuckoldry is the functional equivalent of rape: in both cases, one gender is using deception and violence to exploit the reproductive resources of the other. The difference is that the female/whipped male-dominated media makes a big deal of rape while tacitly accepting cuckoldry.

    Hell, violent acts like male-on-male rape are a joke. When a man wakes up with a condom in his ass, people openly talk about it and have a laugh at his expense. You can go watch South Park, where guys get raped episode after episode. Cartman once was crying “it’s raping me! it’s raping me!”

    Imagine the uproar if South Park ever featured a female getting raped. And these are the guys who say that “everything’s a target”.

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  150. on November 1, 2010 at 8:41 pm schfifty five

    Wow, I honestly never thought I could want to beat a woman to death.

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  151. Cuckoldry is one of those things that just affirms there’s no moral structure to the universe. There is no karmic ordering agent. How could there be? What possible rebalance does a man come into after being a) duped for the most base and humiliating of reasons by the woman he thought he loved, b) painfully raising a child that isn’t his for its full term (and often the child resents the supposed father) and c) had his life completely ruined by a man who fucked his wife and left? How can that even out in any way feasible?

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  152. on November 1, 2010 at 8:43 pm The Rational Male

    dream puppy-

    To be more clear he met her here in the states. Not sure her exact story but I’m pretty sure she was born there.

    I have had quite a few conversations with him over the past few years about foreign women. He won’t touch a traditional American chick with a ten foot pole. Pretty sure he took up Salsa dancing to find a fresh off the boat gem. Looks like it worked.

    I guess women in some place can be traumatizing…

    You don’t know just how true this is. Western women in general, even the decent ones, cannot fathom how hostile the environment is out there for a man who wants to have a wife and kids. All women enjoy the entitlements. Why would they put even a passing thought into the concerns of men?

    Hell, most people haven’t taken a few minutes to ponder what is really going on. The women are delusional and have no reason to care. High value men are busy fucking multiple women and don’t give a rats ass until they feel like settling down. Some of them do, many of them have de facto harems. Lower value men still buy into the soulmate myth and think that one day the “right” girl will magically fall in their lap.

    I’ve been down the rabbit hole. There’s no going back for me. I’ve peered into the darkest reaches of the female soul. At their core women are much like children, and absent societal constraints they will run amok, causing the cushy society that raised them to fall apart at the seams.

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  153. “Lower value men still buy into the soulmate myth and think that one day the “right” girl will magically fall in their lap.”

    …and lower status women think that just because an alpha cad (I say this with the most utmost respect, CR) will sleep with them, that they’ll find an alpha to put a ring on it….

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  154. On what legal grounds is a ban like this even seriously debated?

    Or has it been accomplished by some bullshit fiat?

    How much more supine can men become?

    Bury this shite for good or get used to a lifetime of bootlicking.

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  155. A woman’s position on whatever isn’t what decides whether she’s a feminist or not. It’s like H said: read between the lines. The word choice and the way one frames something is telling. Feminists have a whole battery of tired premises “choice, right to [x], ability, options, freedom from [x]” that they use to warp everything status quo into a convoluted plot against femmedom. Please switch on your brains, guys.

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  156. evil evil evil

    Many men have, of course, ended up raising children who were not genetically their own, but really, does it matter…in making paternity conditional on a test rather than the say-so of the mother, it has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.

    WTF
    How about women just wait 4 weeks between partners?

    There are genetic reasons why a kid needs to know who his/her real father is. It’s cruel to the man to play that the type of game. I bet she has a problem with men who keep two women at the same time, leading each one to believe she’s the only one.

    This is just wrong on so many different levels. Any man who sleeps with this woman is stupid. If I were a man, I wouldn’t even accept brain from her.

    anyway, this is one feminist, most women or even feminists don’t agree with her.

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  157. Just visited some relatives we see very seldom. Long term married. Guy is a classic “nice” guy, beta, physician, good provider, hard worker, somewhat younger than me. His wife younger and vivacious, but both are getting up there.

    It was embarrassing to see how she ordered him around. Curt, impatient commands. Geez. This man is a physician. I doubt he gets much sex, and has worked his nads off putting their children through school.

    Imagine if those are not his kids.

    I know another guy in almost the same situation, only he has 5 kids, and works like a dog. His wife works out a lot, has a personal trainer.

    The women have cut their own throats on this one. They all think the State will support them and their children. We’ll see.

    Oh. That Craig’s list post about the guy with the vasectomy. It sounds almost too good to be true. But, me. I would have sued her in any case for emotional distress. I would have been frantic for several weeks until I could get my sperm counts repeated. Vasectomies do fail, you know.

    Or, if he had really wanted to mess her up, he could have made her give a sworn deposition that the baby was his, then let her have the baby, and then drop the hammer. I wouldn’t have done that when I was young, but I would certainly do that now.

    Getting married. Trusting a woman. Two basic mistakes.

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  158. Laura Melanie’s article in the Times someone posted here (it is pretty good) and much of her argument for banning paternity testing seems to be that it will add intrigue to society and it keeps men humble

    The same can be said for women via the import on millions of good looking foreign women. I don’t agree with that nor do I agree with melanie’s BS.

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  159. I’m not sure if this has been posted but, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0530/1224247744846.html

    “If French customs intercept DNA samples or results in the mail, the perpetrators in theory risk up to a year in prison and a €15,000 fine.”

    Astounding.

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  160. Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.

    OMG…i don’t have words to say. So the person from whose sperm the child is born is NOT the best person to father his own sperm(child) ? 😮

    :-O

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  161. Clarissa and Anonymous Feminists are the same person. She has learning difficulties. Just look around on her blog. Her autism prevents her from understanding the social context of feminism, so it would be best to leave her alone.

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  162. So if its for the children….what about genetic health history?

    If there is a history of any major medical illness on the side of the paternal father, the mother is going to deny this crucial information to her children for the simple benefit of being able to get away with whoreish behaviour? She might deny them a health history that could help them to take preventative measures.

    In addition, I am flabbergasted at the blatant disregard for basal equality! Mothers demand and receive court ordered paternity testing if they desire child support, however men are not allowed to ask for the same right? What a malicious and selfish point of view.

    So, I suppose women are trying to do away with paternity test simply because, without it, if they just point their finger in any random direction, the first man it lands on pays child support?

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  163. Besides this fembot’s assertions just being plain stupid, they are also unworkable in any type of orderly legal system.

    So say woman gets pregnant and says Mr. X is the father. Mr. X says he is not the father and will not pay for the child. The only way to compel him is through use of the power of the sovereign, read the courts.

    Now, what standard of proof does Mz. Z need to show that Mr. X has some sort of legal obligation to father the baby. Is her simple assertion that he is the father good enough? If not, does she have to at least demonstrate with some burden of proof that they at least had a sexual relationship within a timeframe that could have produced a child? If not, what is to stop her from simply making up any story? If that is the case then every rich man, actor, and athlete need to beware.

    It’s one thing to maybe consider that a father who has accepted and raised a child as his own for years may be financially liable but it is quite something else to say that the mere assertion of a woman that Mr. X is the father is quite another.

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  164. Have not read the comments yet.

    What about the CHILD’S right to know for certain who the child’s biological father is?

    As an adoptee I know I’D like to know who that might be, not knowing EATS at you.

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  165. Is this the proverbial dance when finding out said offspring is not their own creation?

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  166. Melanie McDonagh is a prime example of why it is a mistake to ever cede the moral high ground to the Left. Many dimwitted conservatives will say of liberals, “Well, their intentions are good, but…the road to hell is paved with good intentions!” (or fill in cutesy conservative/libertarian saying de jure, friggin tardish losers that they are)

    No, the intentions of liberals are not good. They are sick, evil, twisted fucks. Most of their animus is directed at whites and only whites, but they do occasionally manage to gin up some pure undistilled venom for men in general. However, there is no question that the primary target of their hate (while calling others haters) is the white male in particular.

    There may be a few naive and gullible types among them, but at its core, Leftism is a rotten, festering slagheap of evil. Awful people, real trash.

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  167. please ban anonymous feminist. let’s not have another wendy schwartz episode. anonymous feminist adds nothing to this discussion and has no interest in debating logically. there’s nothing to be gained by allowing someone who is not coming to a debate with a fair mindset to continue to spew nonsense.

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  168. I demanded a paternity test when my daughter was born out of wedlock. Her mother complied, although she never got over it and has rarely spoken to me since out of anger and humiliation, which is awesome IMO because I can’t stand her – so there’s another added bonus to consider – permanent ostracization from a harpy.

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  169. look who has a vew video

    from L to R

    rose, vk, rosh & the rookie

    smashed boobs is the lead girl.

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  170. @Anon

    “The first love of a mother, as that of animals and men, is purely instinctive, and consequently ceases when the child is no longer physically helpless. After that, the first love should be reinstated by a love based on habit and reason; but this often does not appear, especially where the mother has not loved the father. The love of a father for his children is of a different nature and more sincere; it is founded on a recognition of his own inner self in the child, and is therefore metaphysical in its origin.”

    – Arthur Schopenhauer

    Love the quote.

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  171. Look – it’s pretty simple. Men need to fight the disgusting feminists (by both legal and extralegal means) to the death. Feminists have destroyed our country and continue to do so. The goal needs to be if not mandatory, expected paternity testing at birth. No madatory child support for unmarried women. Presumed joint custody.

    Paternity testing will never be banned here unless men lay down and let it happen. And if it is banned, it will be like when alcohol was. There will be an underground economy.

    This Mcdonagh woman is useful because she writes what entitled, spoiled western women truly believe at their core. Young white women have no concern for anyone besides themselves, and a contempt for (or even total lack of thought of) men and their interests. Feminists want a world where women have ALL the power and men have ALL the responsibility.

    Men’s choice must be to fight fire with fire. Organize politically and act individually. Some bitch cuckolds you and lies about it? Beat the living shit out of her and leave. She divorces you demanding child support? Tell her to fuck herself, and use what future Sen. Angle would call “second amendment remedies” if anyone has an issue with it. Men must take care of their own business, and not be slaves, by any means necessary.

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  172. on November 2, 2010 at 12:59 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””mschro
    I’m not sure if this has been posted but, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0530/1224247744846.html

    “If French customs intercept DNA samples or results in the mail, the perpetrators in theory risk up to a year in prison and a €15,000 fine.”

    Astounding.
    ””””’

    It is like we are in some kind of twilite zone type shit. I mean really has the whole world gone insane? What the hell happened?
    Men need to just boycott being police, soldiers, and bodyguards and most of the bullshit will stop.

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  173. No real feminist would advocate for the “banning” of paternity testing, like it would ever happen anyway. Just because one whacko troll does, doesn’t mean that all feminists think that. Most feminists are really and truly out for equality between men and women.

    [Editor: Incorrect. Most feminists are for redistributing power from men to women, particularly low SMV women.]

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  174. @gunslingergregi “It is like we are in some kind of twilite zone type shit. I mean really has the whole world gone insane? What the hell happened?
    Men need to just boycott being police, soldiers, and bodyguards and most of the bullshit will stop.”

    yeah I don’t get it. a commenter above said something about how liberals are against it due to feminism while conservatives are against it because it upsets family stability. makes sense how a ban could happen.

    Instead of banning it, how about the men who want it get it if they need to? It’s not like every guy is running out and getting one now and not every guy who finds out their kid isn’t biologically theirs isn’t leaving. worried about the stability of your family? then don’t get a paternity test if you’re too scared. It just seems like people need to take personal responsibility on this (both men and women) without the ludicrous bans.

    also ❤ the maury dancing clip

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  175. “Laura Melanie’s article in the Times someone posted here (it is pretty good) and much of her argument for banning paternity testing seems to be that it will add intrigue to society and it keeps men humble”

    You know what else would add intrigue to society? A serial killer who targets feminists.

    Hey, it’s her premise that society needs more intrigue, I’m merely supplying an alternative implementation.

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  176. “My guess is feminists get their way. I mean, who will stand up for men’s rights? The right not to raise another man’s child?”

    Not a chance. The paternity testing industry will kick in some bucks. And after tomorrow the country isn’t going to be in the mood for whimsical left-wing bullshit.

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  177. on November 2, 2010 at 2:13 am Queen Sara the Great

    Agitating is bad under any circumstances.

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  178. Not only should we avoid marriage under the contemporary terms and conditions, but we must prepare ourselves to change entirely the terms and conditions of the world we are living in…until they conform to OUR interests!

    Brief metaphorical illustration: It takes much more time and much more money for a modern-day government to accomplish a space project then would be required by private enterprise. There is a lot of potential economic opportunity out beyond the Earth, BUT private enterprise has little incentive to pursue significant outer space development under the current laws and space treaties. If your company sends up a manned mission to the moon or Mars or anywhere else in space and sets up a workshop or project,
    a)you want it to be YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY,
    b)you want to keep a sizable share of the PROFIT for undertaking the risk and providing the benefits of your efforts to others at a bargain compared to what it would cost them,
    c)you want to have a real voice and role in the governance of the interests you have established by your own efforts (at minimum).

    Take away the incentives, and you’ll get from man-woman relations what we’ve gotten from the moon for the last decades since we landed men there—you get jack shit!

    Marriage under today’s terms and conditions is nearly suicidal and certainly insane…just as much suicidal and insane as if a private company pursued a project to establish shop on the moon and opened up fruitful new markets from there, only to have it all taken from them by Mommy Government without even a “thank you” gesture.

    We need new serious players to enter the game: to use game not only to pick up chicks but to change entirely the terms and conditions of life as we know it now. If we think and act too small, we’ll be eventually overwhelmed one by one by the larger trends and multitudes who essentially want to maintain the status quo or even make them more disadvantageous for us (maximizing their advantages/privileges through our oppression/exploitation). This is why I can’t just live life as a hedonistic individualist pursuing care-free pleasure with short-term game tactics. I need you, and you need me, to collaborate and do what must be done to overtake the grand coalition of our common foes—we’ll not be free to live as we will it until we have dealt with the problems and fetters. I think H realizes this, and that is why he offers what he does for us, when instead he could be enjoying his own life in the moment and not give a shit about the rest of us. He knows that no man is a sovereign free island in this world (at least not for long)…he knows that even our homes are not really our own castles anymore, and that our property isn’t really considered our inviolable domain. He also knows that a world without real kings and noble men is a world likewise without real queens and noble women. He knows that the quality of our individual lives can only make leaps to long-term improvement when the quality of the people around us also improves. If he didn’t care, he’d only talk about picking up chicks in the short-term, and probably he wouldn’t even offer to help us in that department either (unless we were shelling out big bucks). I think he has a bigger picture, a bigger mind, and a bigger appetite than that—and I am thankful for it.

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  179. So, obviously, paternity testing is a good thing. And anyone who says it should be banned should be shot at dawn in the public square.

    Where I don’t see as much need, though, is mandatory paternity testing. I mean, this sort of conversation really isn’t that hard:
    dalerojo: Hey, they’re talking about paternity testing again.
    mrsrojo: Yeah, paternity testing is a good thing. Trust is good.
    dalerojo: Uh huh. Hey, if I ever found out our kid wasn’t mine, I’d kill you. Or acid-attack you or some shit. Then I’d take the kid up the nearest tall building and see whether it could fly.
    mrsrojo: Haha. You’re hot when you get animated like that.

    I guess where I’m going with this is, PT shouldn’t necessarily have to be mandatory, though it should be easily available. Any man who needs to sidestep the issue for fear of offending wifey’s feewings, though, is already losing the game.

    The only way we’re going to see mandatory PT is so that the state can hit dudes up for child support. Look for it to arrive in tandem with a state/national dna database (only of men, of course). You heard it here first.

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  180. @dalerojo

    I can’t understand why there’d be any reason not to do mandatory paternity testing? You can choose to hear the results or not, sure, but why turn it down in the first place?

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  181. hahaha! that article is hysterically retarded. in fact, it’s so absurd that i have (a little) hope that it’s perhaps swiftian in nature. it really makes people arguing about paternity testing look like stupid dumbasses (executed rather superbly if this is the intention).

    that said, i agree with dalerojo about the mandatory paternity testing not being necessary. hey that would even placate the retarded people who talk about how “maybe there are some men out there who want to raise other guys’ kids” and/or “maybe some guys just don’t wanna know.” ok. well they don’t have to. but there cannot possibly be a good argument for banning it.

    also, whatsherface is (assuming this is not a brilliant piece of satire) implying that women can’t find men with whom to raise other men’s children without the tools of deception? give me a fucking break! aside from the like 20 guys on here who say they would never get involved with a woman who had a child, plenty of guys today would probably be fine with it (yeah yeah superbetas being superbly beta but the point is they would be fine with it), assuming the circumstances weren’t crizazy.

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  182. on November 2, 2010 at 5:31 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””The only way we’re going to see mandatory PT is so that the state can hit dudes up for child support. Look for it to arrive in tandem with a state/national dna database (only of men, of course). You heard it here first.”””’

    Good point yea that does seem logical.

    Considering military are already have been giving up dna samples.

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  183. We should have mandatory maternity testing.

    We have all sorts of controls to avoid mixing up babies at birth in the hospital. Just add one more layer of testing and paperwork.

    Look, we test all women with Pap smears, not just woman at high risk for HPV infection.

    The idea that it is good social policy to encourage cuckolding is beyond comment or parody.

    Notice the history of this term:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold#History_of_the_term

    The victim is the one despised.

    Then, they wonder about the attraction of Islam to certain people.

    What man in his right mind would be his life at risk to defend this system?

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  184. Show me where this “Melanie” advocates that wives should submit to their husbands (as the Bible says) and I will accept that she is a religious conservative and not a feminist cunt.

    As far as this French enforcement effort goes, it’s very easy to send the swabs in with a fake name and address. So that even if they are intercepted, there will be no consequences.

    Really there should be a men’s organization to hand out DNA test kits the way that Leftists distribute condoms and promote abortions.

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  185. […] Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  186. on November 2, 2010 at 8:37 am too late for romance

    This is awesome.

    There’s a murder/rape sentencing phase of a trial where an alternate juror tried to pass a love note to the convicted killer.

    I would be amazed that the cunt wasn’t dismissed from the jury, but I know too much about the American legal industry and male/female sexual dynamics to be surprised. Once you take the red pill so many things that amaze and confuse the average morons make total sense.

    And to think at one time I was a “Southern gentleman” pussy. Thank fuck those days are over.

    http://www.necn.com/11/01/10/Judge-intercepts-love-note-from-juror-in/landing_newengland.html?blockID=343588&feedID=4206

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  187. @Anon –

    That is the best “You are not the father” video ever! Hahah.

    @Rational Male

    Agree. It’s sad. A lot of nice men and women are suffering because our “betters” implement all sorts of stupid little social experiments that blow up in our face .

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  188. “foul feminist cunt ”

    That should be a T-shirt.

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  189. @Too Late – whilst I have been studying game for a few years, I don’t believe I truly swallowed the red pill until the last few months. Now that it is fully digested and entered my blood stream it has caused a seismic shift in how I view our society. It truly is staggering and I don’t mind saying that 2010 has been a watershed year for me.

    It is exactly like waking from a dream, naked and cold in the middle of the forest. It has also saved my bacon in the last several months – I have encountered a couple gold diggers whom in the past I likely would have foolishly gotten involved with, slept with, and then endured a couple months of hardship from. Now I simply walk away without taking them seriously at all. Where I live, gold digging women are operate completely without shame.

    Thank God I have seen the light.

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  190. on November 2, 2010 at 9:36 am Anonymous Feminist

    I want you all to take me up the pooper and then bukkake me til I’m covered in angry man splooge!

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  191. on November 2, 2010 at 9:41 am Gunslingergregi

    lol

    I’m past anger.

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  192. Well, if it takes a village to raise a child, and fatherhood (or motherhood for that matter) is really just a societal construct, so long as the parents are loving and involved, then yes, go ahead and ban paternity testing.

    However, since genetic descendency is no longer a factor I think we should also ban individual entitlement to ones own offspring for everyone. Once a woman gives birth the baby then goes into a “baby pool” in the OBGYN at the hospital. After the woman has recovered she and the “father” will then be presented with a randomly chosen child from the pool of available newborns. If she delivered twins, the happy couple will receive two babies; three for triplets respectively. Just think of the diversity and multiculturalism this would engender.

    Feminists (predictably) will disown the author, but the sentiment is what counts.

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  193. on November 2, 2010 at 9:53 am The Real Vince

    Re: “Advocating a ban on paternity testing is feminist boilerplate.”

    I do not think it’s unreasonable to ask for evidence, especially if this is so obviously obvious. But hey, you made a claim two years ago and one writer in Britain (who may or may not be a feminist) supports banning paternity testing.

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  194. “And to think at one time I was a “Southern gentleman” pussy. Thank fuck those days are over.”

    Thank you feminists. Another very nice guy who would have made an excellent father and husband, now brought over to the “No M’am” crowd because of all the disincentives you provided. I don’t blame you, I’m just disheartened by it. I have little sisters… : /

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  195. @ROLLO “Well, if it takes a village to raise a child, and fatherhood (or motherhood for that matter) is really just a societal construct, so long as the parents are loving and involved, then yes, go ahead and ban paternity testing”

    Well, thanks to urban sprawlers like Robert Moses, we don’t really HAVE villages or neighborhoods anymore so it’s our best bet to not destroy the family, like we did the village. But I reckon it’s too late in most places.

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  196. Sad news from New Orleans where a white Marine who’d served in Iraq was walking with his new wife in the French Quarter at 03:30. At that time and place he could have expected cat calls to his wife, who was in an evening gown, but his wife started to actually talk back to one African American guy, yelling at him as he stopped his car, and this character proceeded to kill the Marine with a knife when he tried to intervene in the ensuing argument:

    http://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/Metairie-man-stabbed-to-death-in-French-Quarter-NOPD-looking-for-suspect-106415529.html

    I don’t think the Marine expected such lethal violence from a citizen of the country he’d risked his life to protect. I’m sure he was expecting a fair fight if anything.

    There are a number of ways to look at this story and get ticked off, but one is that I just can’t see my girlfriend yelling back in that situation. If anything, she’d take my instructions on exactly what to do. I bet this young woman had a big mouth, forcing an unnecessary chivalry for that time and place…but more information is needed.

    If anyone has more of the real story, I’d like to hear it.

    [Editor: Sounds like a classic case of ‘let’s you and him fight’. If so, men should not fall for it. Tell the bitch she’s on her own if she mouths off.]

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  197. on November 2, 2010 at 11:07 am Gunslingergregi

    Some guys get all the luck Jerry.

    I punked some dude hitting on my woman at a club couple weeks ago after I left to dance on my own.

    He was very apologetic and said he was my friend with a big smile lol

    I guess he was asking why she wasn’t dancing with me.

    I later saw dude do a quick draw with a gun playing around with one of his buddies in the club.

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  198. on November 2, 2010 at 11:17 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit marine was wearing his dress blues at the time.

    That is news. wtf

    Just got out of marine ball and gets stabbed. dam

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  199. on November 2, 2010 at 11:24 am Gunslingergregi

    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/11/marine_fatally_stabbed_in_disp.html

    ”””’Ten people were shot and two others stabbed during a violent weekend in New Orleans, according to police””””””””

    Apparently the war is on.

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  200. Men are finally waking up and organizing.

    Al Bundy was trying to warn us 20 years ago. Who today remembers “No Ma’am?”

    I don’t know any feminists IRL. No woman publicly admits to such a thing and if you say things like, “Why should women be allowed to vote – they vote based on emotion? That brought us the Vietnam war and Bay of Pigs thanks to Kennedy,” they usually just snicker and agree.

    Feminists are just women men won’t touch so they have a lot of time to write these screeds from their funny farms in academia.

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  201. Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit marine was wearing his dress blues at the time.

    That is news. wtf

    Just got out of marine ball and gets stabbed. dam

    hey, black peoples in nawlins done gots lots of anger toward government forces of opression

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  202. on November 2, 2010 at 12:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    Good point firepower.

    I guess it makes sense.

    One article said black.

    One article said multiple men.

    the rest said men man or one man in car.

    Yea right one dude in car talking shit.

    I don’t think so..

    On positive note the dudes family made 300k or so.

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  203. 1. I can’t believe how many people on this blog, who are amongst the most aware of the dangers of feminism, are in denial about this. It is going to happen in the US. There is already a precedent in France, where it is illegal to get a paternity test without a court order. If you import a test, and customs catches it, you risk jail. Men have mostly failed to act as a politically cohesive group to stop the feminist steamroller. What makes you think we’ll stop it on this issue?

    2. @The End – no, it’s not going to allow a woman to name any man as the father and stick him with CS w/o a paternity test. Here’s how it will play out – woman has bf/hubby. Woman gets preggars. She delivers and bf/hubby signs birth certificate. Now we have presumption of paternity (I think in some states, marriage alone gives presumption of paternity, even w/o sig on birth cert). And without paternity testing, the bf/hubby is not in a great position to challenge paternity. Sure, a court could order the test for him, but he will need some evidentiary showing to convince the judge that doubt exists, giving the family court judge discretion. And we all know how family court judge’s tend to use their discretion.

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  204. “It has removed from women a powerful instrument of choice.”

    ‘Instrument of Choice’ or ‘Weapon of Guile?’

    Don’t forget that DNA testing might be your only salvation from a false rape accusation, as well.

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  205. @Original JB

    Not a chance. The paternity testing industry will kick in some bucks. And after tomorrow the country isn’t going to be in the mood for whimsical left-wing bullshit.

    Don’t be silly. When is the last time Republicans rolled back or even stopped feminism from trampling on mens rights? Who signed VAWA into law? When was the last time Republicans significantly shrank the size and scope of government (remember, big government goes hand in hand with feminism and reduces the reliance on mens provider qualities)? Dubya? No. Bush Sr? No. Reagan? Hell no. Nixon? LOL, he’s the one who took us off the gold standard, which set the stage for explosive government growth.

    All you people who think Republicans are anti-feminist really need to get your heads out of your asses and critically examine what the GOP has done.

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  206. “booooooooooring”

    This kind of stuff is one of the major reasons behind this blog. If you want something else, GO FIND IT!

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  207. One consequence of giving women political rights is that logic becomes more and more scarce in any political debate

    banning paternity test in today’s society could, in theory, lead any women to claim that Bill Gates was the father of her child.

    before paternity testing women could also do that, but then men had the option of sending them packing.

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  208. Would be a terrible shame if a dead pool hit list was started on feminists. A terrible shame.

    Using a high-powered rifle, where’s the best spot to shoot a white knight? In his crotch.

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  209. on November 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm too late for romance

    Dream Puppy

    “And to think at one time I was a “Southern gentleman” pussy. Thank fuck those days are over.”

    Thank you feminists. Another very nice guy who would have made an excellent father and husband, now brought over to the “No M’am” crowd because of all the disincentives you provided. I don’t blame you, I’m just disheartened by it. I have little sisters… : /

    Yeah. It took a while and a lot of consciously acting like a selfish dick, and it sucks on some level, but I used to be nice to American women and found out that it just didn’t pay. Now I am not nice and it pays. And I can use the Southerner angle to play the devilish dirty white boy card if I want to.

    And the sad/funny part is watching my relatives and friends who still buy into the old male roles getting fucked over again and again, and then they they wonder why. And these are generally not stupid people, but their indoctrination runs too deep for them to challenge.

    I used to try and help them learn some game but I don’t bother anymore. They’ll figure it out or they won’t.

    Bitterness was an initial danger, but I began to look at it like I am a kid who touched a hot stove. I touched the hot stove of believing the old bullshit gentleman propaganda, got burned, and now I don’t touch hot stoves. It’s not that I dislike stoves. I just know their uses and dangers.

    The analogy falls apart because I don’t always cum in a hot stove’s mouth (ouch!), but whatever.

    But I wouldn’t worry about your female relatives. There will always be some beta sheep for them to shear IMO.

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  210. on November 2, 2010 at 1:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I don’t like the dna thing who knows how many woman I will end up impregnating before I am done.

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  211. “But I wouldn’t worry about your female relatives. There will always be some beta sheep for them to shear IMO.”

    I worry! I don’t want no wonky ass low T nephews.

    (That’s my point- i worry b/c in the past cute nice girls like my sisters would have been able to marry cute nice mildly successful guys. But we’re pushing these guys into the land of no marriage. this is terrible!! So how’s left? I guess they should go for older guys??)

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  212. […] You’ve probably heard about Melanie McDonagh’s brain-dead article at Spectator about paternity testing. But look at the comments… Not many feminists there, that’s for sure. I’m optimistic about the future of the MRM 🙂 […]

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  213. No one is safe from women. Not even if you fathered the little cunt.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39963105/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001

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  214. intp

    Using a high-powered rifle, where’s the best spot to shoot a white knight?

    Dealey Plaza

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  215. Wanta E. Hyena does not even have a smidget of comprehension there is something wrong with her. Solipsistic sociopath, utterly devoid of any trace of conscience or empathy.

    Creatures like her are making life difficult for people like my daughter, which despises them. No wonder, she has a healthy self-respect that needs conscience to grow, something that these hyenas have no concept of.

    Wanta E. Hyena would climb on a back of a man to take her across a river, promising to play nice, but just a jump distance from the remote riverbank, she would bite off a chunk of flesh form the man’s neck, severing his artery. Before he drowns he asks why and she’d reply: “I am a hyena, that’s what hyenas do.”

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  216. @ Anonymous Feminist

    November 2, 2010 at 9:36 am
    I want you all to take me up the pooper and then bukkake me til I’m covered in angry man splooge!

    I know you jest but actually you do want that. I bet if we mri’ed the brains of female feminists as they argue on MRA blogs. We would see the sexual arousals centers of their brains, lava hot.

    We ‘brutish’ men who resist your feminine wiles and charms. What could be more arousing to you feminists.
    Not feminist men certainly, lol.
    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/03/26/fucking-while-feminist-with-jaclyn-friedman/

    Now why are men who want to be submissive sexually or relationshipwise to a woman, so drawn to a female supremacist movement – feminism. Why?

    Roar with laughter at the comment thread, as the female feminists scratch their heads wondering why virtually all of the men drawn to their whip are not ‘relationship material’, are not dominant but submissive.

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  217. “Really there should be a men’s organization to hand out DNA test kits the way that Leftists distribute condoms and promote abortions.”

    That’s not a bad idea.

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  218. This article made me SO VERY ANGRY. I cannot believe what McDonagh wrote, suggesting it doesn’t really matter if it’s the man’s child or not, if he thinks it is, it’s good for her child, and he can go to hell; that women should have the right to deny their husbands the ability breed and generally succeed at life! Instead he serves her life, and his genes disappear into the void. Forever.

    Men: the right argument to get that paternity test is because you are obsessed with the chance of your baby getting swapped in the hospital. All babies look the same to you, so you want to know to make sure. SIMPLE!!!

    Make her understand it’s not about your trusting her, it’s about you not trusting the faceless, nameless hospital bureaucracy. You’re planning to raise it for 18 years, so she must allow you your peace of mind, and she has no reason to deny it whatsoever.

    She can’t defend the nameless, faceless hospital bureaucracy with the same passion she would defend her supposed trustworthiness, nor can she be offended by your distrust of said nameless, faceless hospital bureaucracy. It is illogical, weird, and suspicious. If she’s hiding something, she won’t want to point that out anyway.

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  219. BTW, men can also find a way to test her opinion on this logic before getting married:

    “Honey, I can’t wait until we’re married and can get pregnant! By the way, since we can’t 100% guarantee that hospital workers won’t accidentally swap our baby with someone else’s, something I will need to have is a DNA test to make sure we got the right baby back. Babies all look the same to me, so, it’s something I will need just to make sure.

    Oh, and while we’re on the topic of marriage, I was checking out those rings you liked! They’re great! I especially like the one with the [whatever design element]!”

    In other words, set the expectations shortly before you plan to propose. Then, while she’s digesting your plans for the DNA test, you can soften the blow by flirting with her immediately afterwards regarding that precious One Ring of Power…

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  220. Someone on the internet wrote something stupid?

    This is clearly the end of the United States as we know it.

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  221. Fred:

    The excitement over that article is because so many idiotic ideas seem to get a life of their own, especially if the courts back them.

    Take, for example, the courts deciding to let killers loose because the police made a small procedural error, like, for example, asking the perp where the body was before they read him his Miranda rights. Or, horrors of horrors. An illegal wiretap allowed the police to catch the perps red handed.

    How about the courts deciding that a healthy, normal, 39 week fetus was not a human until it came down the birth canal? Who the f*&# thought that idea up? During the entire abortion debate in the 1960’s, NOBODY ever suggested anything so outrageous. The suggestion would have have suffered the same repudiation as the author of the pro-cuckold article.

    How did the the end to racial discrimination in school admission morph into forced busing to achieve “proper” racial ratios in schools? The idea that there was good and bad racial discrimination required an excellent legal education to understand.

    I’ll stop here. I could go on for a long time about idiotic ideas that have been put into force. People have a right to get agitated over such stupidity, if history is any guide.

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  222. I’ve thought about this and I’ve come to the conclusion that she can’t really be serious and this must be similar to Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal.

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  223. on November 2, 2010 at 10:56 pm Professor Woland

    One reason the pro-choice side has been as succesful as they have is that it is very hard to control what someone else will do with their body. It is like smoking pot or getting a tatoo. If they are going to do it, they will find a way.

    For men, getting a paternity test is the same sort of situation. Thanks to DNA, any man who wants to confirm the paternity of his “children” can do so and no feminist can stop us. Even if someone had to pay a $15,000 fine that is still a fraction of the real cost to raise a child.

    The men have won this one. It will take time for the law to catch up with technology but it is fair to say, it is all over but the crying.

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  224. You’re missing the point. Yes, nothing’s going to be able to stop men from getting tested somehow, but if it has no legal weight, what use is it?

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  225. “Uncertainty allows mothers to select for their children the father who would be best for them.”

    How about picking the man you want to fuck and saying “I do”? Too old fashioned and responsible? (Probably.)

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  226. Citizen Renegade wrote, “Back in October 2008, I predicted feminists would demand the following…

    And you were two years late, because by 2006 medical ethicists had decided to lie to men about their cuckoldry. So DNA test results for paternity won’t help even if not banned.

    The Conspiracy Against Cuckolds

    There appears to be a consensus among medical professionals that husbands should not be told when they are not their wife’s child’s father.

    Nauseating.

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  227. It’s not just genetic samples that are banned to mail through the post it’s bio samples in general. These are vectors for disease and must be properly stored, shipped and marked as bio hazards.

    Calm down people.

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  228. It would be great to see a Chateau post any minute on the midterm election results.

    Despite it being a “good night” for the GOP, the denizens of cities including Denver-Boulder, Las Vegas and Seattle have saved Senate Democrats that were supposed to go down, especially the feminist “Mom in Tennis Shoes” Patty Murray in Washington State who forms a deadly pair with Maria Cantwell.

    The feminist Lisa Murkowski in Alaska may have actually beaten Joe Miller by having her name written in more than the 67,000 times Alaskans voted for Miller. That’s too bad.

    Then again none of their Republican opponents tried to get the male vote specifically. I don’t recall any Men’s Rights issue getting mentioned by the Tea Party/GOP candidates.

    They simply rely on the fact that most men want to save their own money to deal with women and not give it to the state so the women will have less of a need for us.

    I wish I could find that funny but its not because its true.

    The Republicans sought and succeeded to split the female vote 48:49 this time around.

    They didn’t need to specifically court the male vote.

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  229. Good news… it looks like we can get paternity tests without having to confront the mother and get a sample from her. The lab just does some extra work and they can do it with your sample and the baby’s. Just take a sterile swab from the test kit and collect some cheek cells from the baby’s mouth, as well as yours.

    http://www.geneticprofiles.com/main_files/fees.htm

    The best $500 we could ever spend.

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  230. As bad as divorce courts are towards men, at least you had to at least get married before the woman could rape your future. Quebec has taken the eminently reasonable step of removing even that obstacle separating women from your money.

    “On Wednesday, Quebec’s Court of Appeal invalidated a section of the province’s civil code which guarantees support payments only in cases involving people who are married or in civil unions.

    It’s given the province one year to fix the law.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/11/03/lola-alimony-appeal.html

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  231. Vespasian
    I am far too much a nice guy to be the one to point out the un-avoidable implications of this Quebecian outrage.
    I mean, it will not be me who says “The only safe to leave a relationship is to …. the bitch and hide what’s left in a ….. under a garbage bin.”

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  232. Hi all – I’m a woman, and a feminist.

    I support paternity testing whole-heartedly, as do many/most of my feminist friends. I don’t have kids, but I have told my male partner that if we decide to have kids, I’d be more than happy to provide him paternity certainty with a DNA test as a matter of principle.

    McDonagh may identify as a feminist, but she certainly isn’t representative of the movement. A cursory glance at her google trail reveals she’s likely pretty conservative and holds many views that clash with ‘mainstream’ feminism.

    In any case, I find her arguments as abhorrent and revolting as you do – I want to treat the men in my life, especially my wonderful partner, as equals, as I expect to be treated by them. Even if I hated men (and I don’t) the consequences of paternity fraud for children can be horrifying.

    Further, I have not seen anti-paternity testing crop up as a cause one way or the other in feminist circles. Of the mainstream women’s/feminist blogs, I found this reaction to McDonagh on Jezebel:

    http://jezebel.com/5349395/are-paternity-tests-anti+feminist

    which is, in fact, pro-paternity testing, and articulates pretty well my views on the subject.

    So the premise, that all feminists hold this rather hypocritical belief, is false. I know some do, but I think they are in the minority. In my experience many of the women who are anti paternity testing are actually the more conservative women, who would never identify as feminist.

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  233. whatever happened to men and women getting married and being faithful to each other.If she wants to fuck other men for better genetic material maybe he would make a piss poor father then why does she want his sperm if he is a loser player?Maybe men would take better care of a woman if she was better and faithful to him and spread her legs for him more often then he wouldn,t have to spend his income getting PUSSY from a stranger and she would have a better marriage and more money at home and a husband that would likely love her.It seems all attention is on the woman that all her needs are met but no attention on the mans wants and needs are being met and if they were he would be a better husband.I am a 62 yr old married man and know both of my kids are mine as i spent 900 dollars to find out as passing my genes on is important just like keeping track of the baby in hospital after birth is important to the mother because she wants her baby with her genes and would go through hell to find it if it got switched with another one so ladies I guess you can understand why a husband would want to know if it was his little sperm cell and not some other mans sperm cell.So i will spend all my time LOVE and labor on my kids and my wife as i LOVE them all.Srange when you mention switching babies that all the world goes berserk looking for moms baby but dad gets cheated on and no one gives a shit.men need to join forces and stand up check your balls and give these cheating fucking women hell by starting a grass roots movement to show up all these cheating women and demand that all babies get a dna test before you sign your life away.If its yours sign if not let wife tell who is belongs to and let him raise the baby and divorce her ass. I am a private investigator and have heard and seen it all women cheating and having a grand time while hubby sweats his balls off supporting the family and then when he gets home she says not tonight i,m tired [of screwing someone else].Remember husbands just because your not getting it does not mean she isn,t getting itSo cuckolds just lay there hard up or stand up stop your pathetic life remember you can always stop working and fake injury ,move and let the bitch lose the house and live on welfare then she MIGHT realize what she had.I doubt it because most of the women always rally wiyh that stupid TAKE HIM FOR EVERYTHING HES GOT. Why not she already took his pride by having that fucking kid that is not his

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  234. Just my two cents, but where’s the big payoff for men in their women being “faithful”?

    From what I can see, it’s not getting an STD, or raising another guy’s kids. (And truth be told, if you never knew, you’d never care.)

    Otherwise, wow. The same body every night…if she doesn’t ‘have a headache’, of course. If she cooks anything at all, jump back and kiss yourself, you’ve hit the jackpot. If she cleans, that’s great too, but odds are that nothing will ever be clean ENOUGH, and she’ll nag you for not sharing her zeal in that capacity. If she’ll help raise your kid, wonderful–but it’s just as often to have leverage over YOU.

    I lived with a damned Las Vegas Showgirl who was ‘faithful’, and that was all. Now, I’ll take the scariest polyamorous woman in exchange for a ‘hot’ trophy that does nothing else.

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  235. in reply to KK.Maybe you are a trophy wife seeking kind of guy and sounds like you may be one of the alpha males seeking to spread their worthless genes to some hard working beta male that trusts his wife to be faithful and have his kids.congratulations on being a cuckolding male so some some one else can raise your kids.Remember there will always be someone better looking than you and maybe he will knockup your wife.good luck.

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  236. WTF? John, lay off the crack or acid or malt liquor before you log on. Your barely-coherent post is the complete opposite of what I wrote. I don’t want or need a wife or kids. If you do, great…better get started on your WILL WORK FOR FOOD sign now.

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  237. on November 5, 2010 at 6:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’It’s given the province one year to fix the law.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/11/03/lola-alimony-appeal.html

    ””””

    Notice it was closed for comments.

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  238. too late for romance–

    here’s a murder/rape sentencing phase of a trial where an alternate juror tried to pass a love note to the convicted killer.

    I would be amazed that the cunt wasn’t dismissed from the jury, but I know too much about the American legal industry and male/female sexual dynamics to be surprised.

    I’m appalled that she did it too, but read at least a little carefully the press story you linked. I just skimmed it, but the woman trying to pass the love not to the murder/rape defendant through a court marshal was an alternate, not a juror. Hence she wasn’t voting in the case. I imagine she was dismissed, or anyway wouldn’t be seated. If seated the prosecution could have moved for an immediate appeal and would have won.

    Family court is often as bad as you allege, and so is regular court under VAWA, but in murder and such, not as much. Though women do get much lighter sentences for the same acts.

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  239. […] — Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing, Paying For Sex, The Times Of The Year You Should Watch Your Woman […]

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  240. News report about a black woman whose mark suddenly started wondering if he really was the biological father. He argued with her about it. I assume she realized that he was going to insist on a paternity test to settle the matter, and she went ahead and put the baby in the microwave oven and killed it:

    http://www.wmur.com/r/25644196/detail.html

    Note this liberal media article doesn’t go into the idea that the man probably said something about a test deciding the argument.

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  241. […] – “Feminists Agitate to Ban Paternity Testing“, “The Eternal Shallowness of Men with Options“, “I Called it Two Years […]

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  242. No one here noted a little fact:
    in a few years the cost of a full genome sequence will go to 100-200$
    from Randall Parker Futurepundit:

    * 2014: 5 Million Genomes – Consumer Reality
    * 2015-2020: 25 Million Genomes And Beyond – A Brave New World

    A good parent will want his/her son DNA sequenced, to catch up any genetic problem/defect or to exploit any genetic advantage.
    He can, at the same time, have his/her own DNA sequenced.
    Comparing the raw data will show if the baby is related to the parents.

    No need to say “I don’t trust you” in few years. Only, “I care for the child health.”

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  243. Does everyone here understand that there ARE people at work in Western governments who are actively striving to destroy both the nuclear family and marriage as well as every last vestige of Western male virility and masculinity?

    As in a war these assaults MUST be faced head-on every single time we encounter them; if we do not we only invite those same attacks to eventually destroy us.

    Unless we ALPHAS of the West take it upon ourselves to destroy support for anti-manhood agendas it will both go undone and see us all undone.

    Commander T.

    BTW- Homosexuality in and of itself is a human condition and thusly a right of choice for each adult human being; conversely it is also an issue that is given inflated importance and becomes, in it’s manifestation as an “activist movement”, a means for attacking both heterosexuality and family values. Destruction of the nuclear family and all of Western society is their ONLY and ultimate goal.

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  244. Interesting point made here, I actually believe that woman should be able to decide whether they want to pass a dna test or no. It is important to understand both side of the coin, and it is certainly important to consider the future of the child in the first place. thanks for this insightful post.

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