Comment Of The Week: The Stampeding Herd

This is the second great comment from Deter Naturalist this week, earning him (probably not a “her”) the coveted COTW award.

We’ve had it “too good to be true” for my entire life (I’m AARP eligible.)
During that time the incentive structure caused people to embrace behaviors (including political policies) that eroded the system by which our good times were produced.

*Nothing sets up failure like success.*

How many people, having hit some home runs in the markets (or getting a big payoff in a casino, same thing) pull back to safety? Very few. Most double-down until the wipe-out. It’s human nature to attribute to personal competence that which was simply right-place/right-time.

While I discovered it does not work for forecasting (because timing is always unknown), I still embrace the basic premise of something called “socionomics.” It’s foundation is that as social animals, we humans exhibit herding behavior in areas of uncertainty. We tend to adopt the viewpoints of those who surround us. This is an attribute with a spectrum; some herd a little, some herd a lot, but everyone herds. Herding is exhibited in fashions, in pop culture and above all in finance and politics and economics. All of this results from the actual way our brains are structured and the way our cognitive pathways actually work (which have little in common with how people think they do.)

It is the engine for “Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds,” but also the width of men’s ties this season, the performance of horror movies vs Disney Princesses at the Box Office, and the price trends of stocks, bonds and commodities. It is not entirely unpredictable, but since timing matters above all, it makes prediction to the level of profitability too subjective to use. What it basically says is, trends occur, they reach apogee and change. That insight and a dollar gets you a coffee at McDonalds.

Herding is guided by a kind of unconscious set-point. When people wax optimistic, they visit coffee shops, attend concerts, bid up the prices of stocks, trust the veracity of “the news,” trust the promises of IOU’s, wear colorful clothes, and basically engage in “frisky” behavior. Waxing pessimistic does the opposite.

Because social mood is, like most investment assets, intangible, it has no limits. “How high is up?” is a question without an answer. Is a widespread (but hardly universal) belief that a man can be a woman by announcing it an illustration of giddy belief in the unreal? I’d say so. Are widespread rationalizations for the “equality” of homosexuality to heterosexuality, for the rejection of biological bases for group differences in intelligence, thrift, ingenuity, etc., for the naturalness of AAPL’s market cap being a $1 trillion or the “what, me worry?” attitude toward the unsustainable, compound-growth build-out of black-hole industries like Medical Services, welfare administration or the military-industry-cartel signs of maniacally high optimism?

I’d say so. Are those who embrace open borders and replacement of the very people who created (and still sustain) Americans’ standard of living in thrall to an unconscious belief that resources are unlimited and that we’ve reached a New Plateau of Nirvana where John Lennon’s lyrics from “Imagine” are now a reality?

I’d say so.

The Great Depression came after a decade of unsustainable ramp-up in optimism-fueled asset prices, debt, etc. It was lengthened and made far worse by the widespread embrace of central planning by “scientific management.”

We’ve had 40-60 years of ramp-up, including imposition of immigration policies that increased the population of the USA by 50%, a build-up of IOU’s (debt) without historical precedent, and an entire economy (read “jobs”) grown entirely under artificial heat and light (debt growth.) As in 1930, people have no idea from where prosperity arises, but today’s embrace of “scientific management” is far more entrenched, and people’s dependence on centralized systems far greater than almost 90 years ago.

Feminism. Homophilia. Central planning/”scientific management.” Rejection of biological laws. Industrial-scale rationalizations for it all. All of the items about which we complain are instances of a collective insanity that produces self-harm on a collective scale. It’s all a fad, a fashion emanating from the longest, most manic period of social mood optimism in recorded history. It will and must by natural law be “corrected” at the same scale. Natural laws exist. On a collective level such things are determined and inescapable.

Deter(minist).
Naturalist.

PS: Utopia is not an option. There is and can’t be an “end point” where struggle ceases within any living system. What lies ahead is a passage through a valley of difficulty. So what? Rich or poor, married or single, old or young, tall or short, each of us will have to work with what we’ve got and make the best of it. At least most people who read this (and similar) blogs, seeking the ego-reinforcement of confirmation bias (I do, too) are already predisposed to expect a change in trend. Those inclined to double-down on the dying trend will have short life expectancies. We always live in Plan A (the world as it is), but at least we know that having a Plan B (and even a Plan C) might be useful in the event that inevitable change has arrived.

A lot of the substance of DN’s comment dovetails with themes discussed on a number of other samizdat blogs besides this one. A consilience is emerging among dissident bloggers, which includes agreement that we are at irrationally unreal Peak Optimism (indistinguishable from Peak Lunacy), and the next phase is Pessimism, Inwardness, Reflection, Regrouping, Localism, and Tribalism. Or, a return to sanity.

The pendulum will swing back, carving a path wide and deep through Clown World, leaving the fuggernauts dead and scattered, and the strong on the other side gathered for the Great Renewal.





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  1. One factor not mentioned here is that when women rule you, the end is not far off….Sir John Glubb pointed this out in his admirable analysis of history.

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  3. Unfortunately our debt is not unprecedented. Sadly their are lots of precedents. Worse yet, they always end the same way. First the government debases the currency (mixing gold coins with base metals, or printing paper money). Second, the economy collapses from hyper inflation. And third, there is war as the old government falls and some new internal or external group takes power. Ancient Rome to Wiemar Germany to Zimbabwe, all the same.

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 1:56 pm Deter Naturalist

      Conjecture zone: I think we had our inflation. It was the growth of debt from 1981 to now (and may not be done, who knows?) I think the next move of importance will be a collapse in the value of debt (and of stocks, and real estate…pretty much everything whose price skyrocketed these past 40 years under the largest credit inflation in history.)

      I don’t think it’s even possible to have a Wiemar/Zimbabwe (banknote) inflation when there’s a massive Bond Ocean in existence. I think we see asset markets collapse in value, a crushing deflationary depression where people are desperate for dollars, and only after we hit the bottom will we see the printing presses literally turned to “high” (mostly by printing larger-denomination banknotes, when you see that, Zimbabwe is dead ahead.)

      But what do I know? I thought the top was here…in 1995. In 1998. In 2000. In 2007. I was wrong. I can admit I got it wrong, wrong, wrong. I called a low in March 2009 but thought what came next was a bear rally, not a 400% moon shot to the stratosphere. I thought we were at peak poz at homophilia, and shocked when transphilia not only occurred, but moved to grade schools. Could we *still* not be at apogee, and NAMBLA’s wish list becomes law? Far be it for me to say, “impossible.” The collective fad already astonishes me.

      As to war, I think the “war will unite us” gig was a 20th century thing. If war comes, I think the English Civil War will be a better template for this iteration.

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      • on November 28, 2018 at 2:01 pm Hackett To Bits

        The Thirty Years War will look good in comparison…

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      • on November 28, 2018 at 3:18 pm Hitler is our pal

        While it does seem to be the next step in degeneracy, I think acceptance of pedophilia is a bridge too far. America is in a state that I call pedophiliaphobia. People conflating men’s natural attraction to post pubescent teenage girls, with perverts who are attracted to children. They might try to push it, but I think it would completely backfire on them.
        This transphilia that we’re experiencing now is just by edict. I’ve never met anybody who didn’t recognize it as nonsense.

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      • James Grant once said that the bull market only ends once the bears have turned to doubting their own senses.

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  4. This is all making me feel better about being a seller into this afternoon’s rally.

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 2:08 pm Deter Naturalist

      I called a 2+ week Santa Claus Rally to start during the last week of Nov. It will be interesting to see if prices can break above (and stay above) the 2820-2850 zone basis SPX. We’re currently still in a weekly downtrend as I see it. If that remains intact, I still think the initial target is the 2009 lows (~80% decline.) And that’s just for starters. But I don’t own stocks and I don’t trade stocks, having learned my limits the hard way. I guess we’ll know soon enough if the Bull is dead. As I see it, nothing of substance will change until this 40-60 year era is well-and-truly over. We’re nowhere near the point of knowing that.

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  5. Extraordinary insightful and lucid.
    Well done, and well deserved COTW.

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  6. I generally agree except that perhaps the pendulum has no bias. Even the strongest warrior can be felled by an unfortunate strike, and the pendulum is going to sweep remorselessly. Only the strong will survive, but not all the strong.

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  7. on November 28, 2018 at 1:05 pm Hackett To Bits

    Next up: Widespread use of countermeasures to keep the savages out of your living room…

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  8. CH, just when I’ve about had it with the Jews-Ate-My-Homework and similar commenter rants, somebody comes up with yet another thoughtful analysis that you get here like few places on web. Thanks for the highlight.

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  9. The gentleman truly lays it out for all to see. Echoes of Ranger School insights, plan with an absolute fury just remember no plan survives the Line of Departure. Not my call but I’d say Comment of the Week is short shrift to valid and valuable wisdom.

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  10. haven’t we had enough of his rambling autism for the week?

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  11. Deter Naturalist: “The Great Depression came after a decade of unsustainable ramp-up in optimism-fueled asset prices, debt, etc. It was lengthened and made far worse by the widespread embrace of central planning by ‘scientific management’.”

    In my opinion, to be more precise, the “unsustainable ramp-up” of the 1920s, and the “Great Depression” of the 1930s, were orchestrated intensionally by The Federal Reserve (est. 1913). The Great Depression was lengthened and made far worse by FDR and his social (communist?) polices.

    I would argue that the economy of 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s were the result of national economic policy (monetary policy and fiscal policy), and not some mystical, unintentional, cosmic accident (or karma).

    Question: Was George Bush’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq a mystical, unintentional, cosmic accident, or was it highly intensional?

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 1:35 pm Deter Naturalist

      Beats me. Do you know “why” events during Bush II’s reign occurred? What version of the fiction we’re served each day do you favor?

      We kid ourselves that we know more about our world than did our ancient ancestors. There are a billion-billion “things” that occur each day, and we’re given a digest of a rounding error off zero of that, all of it simply selected by the information gate-keepers under their own biases and beliefs and (above all) self-interest. Liars lie, con artists con. Nothing new about that.

      Never have people had more information at their fingertips, and never has the proportion of it that is true been lower. How do you find a molecule of truth in a sea of lies? Not a rhetorical question…I’d love to find a technique that works.

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      • Deter Naturalist: The world is less mysterious than you may think. It takes some research, but it is more knowable than you may understand. For example, the Federal Reserve is so fatally flawed and corrupt that it will soon lose any charter it ever had—they’re done!.

        Most of the “bad stuff” that happens to the 99% happens because the ruling elites (deep state) want it to happen. Look at Europe, do you think their problems are some sort of karma, or are their problems created intensionally by their elites?

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      • on November 28, 2018 at 3:03 pm Deter Naturalist

        B of G, I didn’t mean to imply the world is mysterious, but then I don’t find spontaneous organization mysterious. The world goes by itself, and I don’t think that some group “controls” it. No one is outside the Matrix. Most of “the bad stuff” is due to what Sallust said 2000 years ago: “Most men do not desire liberty, most only wish for a just master.”

        Society got more complex, so systems were developed to exploit that. It’s a paradox: as life got better, it also got more insidiously exploitative and stuffed with rationalizations. The con artists were enabled. But we also got indoor plumbing, central HVAC and prime beef. Europe’s problems are the same as the US’: most citizens are complacent, and complacency is fertile soil for con artists (politicians all.) As William of Orange notes, it’s a natural cycle, right?

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    • “In my opinion, to be more precise, the “unsustainable ramp-up” of the 1920s, and the “Great Depression” of the 1930s, were orchestrated intensionally by The Federal Reserve (est. 1913). The Great Depression was lengthened and made far worse by FDR and his social (communist?) polices.”

      c.f.
      “America’s Great Depression” by Murray Rothbard
      “Great Myths of the Great Depression” by Lawrence Reed
      “The Bubble that Broke the World” by Garet Garrett

      “I would argue that the economy of 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s were the result of national economic policy (monetary policy and fiscal policy), and not some mystical, unintentional, cosmic accident (or karma).”

      I think he meant that financial bubbles, once they’re big enough, metastasize into a society-wide divorce from reality. The money supply inflates, asset prices inflate, euphoria sets in, and you get a vicious circle of euphoria and asset prices that continues briefly (like Wile E. Coyote walking on air past the cliff’s edge) after the original driver (monetary inflation) has been withdrawn.

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    • It’s been almost a century and folks STILL can’t figure out the Roaring Twenties.

      1) Ford Motor Credit Corporation invented factory financing, circa 1920-21.

      2) FMC was mimicked by General Motors Acceptance Corporation. (Name eventually morphed to Ally Bank.)

      3) EVERY white goods manufacturer soon aped FMC// GMAC… especially for ‘factory flooring’ finance. (This is the trade term for when Detroit cares back the ‘wholesale paper’ of an auto dealer. This type of transaction was central to the plot of “Fargo” for those who well remember it.

      4) Factory finance was soon extended to retail. The big manufacturers cut out the banking system — almost totally — by the end.

      ( Who uses non-dealer finance these days? )

      These credit machines pushed mechanization out onto the farm. International Harvester and John Deere went crazy financing farm gear — putting the horses out to pasture.

      This was the era when tungsten carbide tool bits supplanted high speed steel bits. The latter were invented by Taylor, himself!

      (Mr. Time & Motion Studies Taylor.)

      The Fed MISSED ALL OF THIS. They didn’t even capture the stats, for these major lenders never had to report to them.

      It was THIS swing in credit creation that caused the Roaring Twenties and when it stopped… created the Great Depression.

      Milton Friedman got it ALL WRONG.

      It is of ENORMOUS significance that Silicon Valley did NOT expand consumer credit… no factory finance for those boys.

      The big credit engine over the last generation has been located in Red China. America is simply NOT the biggest player in the commodities markets, nor in setting global prices.

      This last item is why EVERY #$%^ econometrician has gotten EVERYTHING WRONG for a generation. They have all been using linear extrapolations of American stats — when she stopped being the price setting nation.

      Slave labor — discourtesy of Red China — has exported wage deflation world-wide.

      Bush-Clinton-Bush-0bomba = 28 years of Globalists ruining the punch bowl. BTW, note how they have so MANY friendly photo-ops together — how Bush 41 and Clinton 42 were BOTH eyeballs deep in ripping off Haiti — and working Iran-Contra — hand and glove.

      Agenda 21 — yeah — 41&42 LOVED IT — still do.

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      • “Milton Friedman got it ALL WRONG.”

        His bright idea was that the 1920s bubble did nothing wrong, and the Fed’s only mistake was not inflating aggressively enough after the crash. Of course, this cynical toadying went over quite well with his betters, and Friedman died a hero. Bernanke made a career out of vigorously nodding his head in agreement with it, used it as his playbook for 2008, and then wrote the inevitable autohagiography, gag-inducingly titled “The Courage to Act.”

        The result is we’re now in a bigger bubble than before 2008, and the guilty parties will be happily retired or dead when it pops, at which point God help us.

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      • on November 29, 2018 at 6:19 am Deter Naturalist

        This life is too complex for me (me!) to attribute cause and effect at the granular level, so I stick to the broadest of brush strokes. People of Mostly NW European and English Ancestry (PoMNWEEA) began experiencing rising living standards parallel to the Industrial Revolution, then along came the engineering revolution, the scientific revolution and most recently the microprocessor revolution and it all fed a growing optimism, a sense that humans can do *anything.* Leftism is the theology of Man-is-God, and thus Mankind (or better, Womankind) can eliminate sin (by passing laws) and create the Kingdom of God on Earth, better known as Utopia. This is the central sacrament of the Theocracy in which we all live.

        Can we imagine a condition more fertile for Joe Citizen to sit back and let those who want to run things, who put “brilliant expert” on their own resumes and CV’s, tell everyone how to navigate to Utopia?

        Complacency is to our lives today as water is to a fish. It surrounds us, it is the environment in which we swim and we don’t even notice it. (Well, some of us notice it.) Add this to the natural cycles of optimism/pessimism that animate the herd and you have booms and busts of growing amplitude, just what we’ve experienced.

        That (to me) is the central cause of why we’re ruled by demons.

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  12. on November 28, 2018 at 1:34 pm William of Orange County

    So basically this?

    Hard times create strong men.
    Strong men create good times.
    Good times create weak men.
    Weak men create bad times.

    But seriously for a second…

    “Those inclined to double-down on the dying trend will have short life expectancies. We always live in Plan A (the world as it is), but at least we know that having a Plan B (and even a Plan C) might be useful in the event that inevitable change has arrived.”

    That’s some super-duper-free-range-truth you’re farming there Deter. Don’t go changing….

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  13. “Central planning/”scientific management.”

    that piece of human garbage head of goolgle said,

    “our human systems always fail”

    fucking asshole

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  14. The problem with utopianism is that it seeks to eliminate all natural moral and sociological tensions, by which I mean areas where, in a functioning society, there is not complete accord and therefore there is room for give and take with some things left in an unresolved state.

    For example, utopianists, for example, looked at the natural tension between men and women and declared that men and women were the same. It looked at rich and poor and tried to legislate income equality. It looked at unemployment and declared full employment. And so on and so on.

    The problem with that is by resolving these natural tensions utopianists destroyed the natural feedback loops that keep societies and people in check. Without these feedback loops, all sorts of systems were able to stray from reasonable, functioning conditions toward all sorts of degeneracies and dysfunction. The irony is that in trying to resolve all these tensions, the utopianists end up creating problems that are far worse than what they started with.

    I often imagine these natural tensions as a type of tug of war. In the proper state, the rope is taut and the two sides allow the flag in the center to move one way or another based on the amount of force they are willing to use to move the flag in their direction or how much to let up if they don’t mind the flag moving a bit in the other direction.

    The utopianist will, however, decide to double the length of rope to remove any tension whatsoever. Unfortunately, at this point the two sides start running apart from one another at full speed, because there is nothing to impede them. The utopianist, however, is always surprised when the extra rope length is taken up, with the two sides unprepared to deal with the catastrophic results arising from the sudden jerk that occurs when the rope goes taut again.

    [CH: a very astute analogy]

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 4:16 pm zeta male pond scum

      “The irony is that in trying to resolve all these tensions, the utopianists end up creating problems that are far worse than what they started with.”

      i can think of no clearer example of this then the feeding of the third world. By trying to stop a few thousand deaths in places like africa and india the pie-in-the-sky do-gooders of this world ensured that the populations of those lands would metastasize. the eventuality that the western honky world it’s self would reach a carrying capacity for third world dregs and once reached there’d be mass starvation on an apocalyptic scale, simply never occurred to the do-gooders. the fact is, we’ve reached that point (some might argue) a long time ago. but for fiat money that hides how far past that carrying capacity we’ve gone, we are all merely waiting for the other shoe to drop. does anyone believe that american CAN ever pay off it’s debt and still remain solvent? or WILL?

      i know citing a black man will win me no friends around these parts but this seems to be exactly what Thomas Sowell talked about when he wrote of those with the “unconstrained view of humanity”

      i don’t fear for myself and my own wasted life, but i do fear for my young nieces and nephews and the children of friends and family alike.

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      • on November 29, 2018 at 6:31 am Deter Naturalist

        Fiat money + a bull market for debt led to Hyman Minsky’s “Ponzi Finance,” where debt is issued to fund pure consumption (and waste and fraud.)

        This has the effect of people plowing their savings into a box, and their savings (accumulated capital) is simply burned there. As noted above, this creates a “Wile E Coyote” ran-off-the-cliff condition, where as long as he doesn’t notice, he doesn’t fall.

        Never in history as more capital been simply consumed. It’s like a party at a farm, where once the meat is gone and the bonfire wood consumed, party-goers begin slaughtering the breeding stock, eating next year’s seeds and tearing up the barn and farmhouse so the bonfire (and the party) can continue. What kind of hangover awaits? EPIC. B I B L I C A L.

        When (not if, when) mood turns and the last 40 years are REFRAMED, people will realize that the “money” they thought was “in the bank” is literally gone, consumed by the great party we all had (and to which Leftists invited the world to join us.) I can’t wait to read the rationalizations for a lifetime of collective idiocy led by our “best and brightest.”

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  15. It reminds me of the cycle of market emotions chart, and how the herd mentality of investors push up the price of assets to form a bubble. The problem with it is that the stages don’t adhere to an evenly spaced timeline. With all the recent bubbles, bursts and subsequent bailouts, it makes sense that absolute insanity (socially) has free reign if the upward trajectory from optimism to euphoria lasts too long or the downward trajectory towards despondency and depression too short (due to bailouts or freshly blown bubbles) before the next up cycle. Since our financial systems are totally manipulated and artificially held up, economic prosperity has lasted a long time.

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 2:26 pm Deter Naturalist

      Optimism to a pathological extreme: open borders, invite every single man, woman and child who wants to come to the USA to get on a plane, bus, boat, etc. and do so. How else can one characterize this belief?

      This is bad enough, but people are (relatively) easy to count. How many Mestizos can you fit in an F-150? The answer can be discerned with a little experimentation or observation at Home Depot’s parking lot.

      How much debt is too much?
      How much should a share of AAPL cost?
      What will interest rates (or inflation) be in a year? A decade?

      The answers to these questions are unknowable. Yet people act as though they have those answers all day every day. Our decisions are based on “what everyone else thinks” because, after all, they must know something we don’t. Or maybe Jim Rogers or Jim Cramer really do have a crystal ball…

      It honestly scares me to imagine an inversion of the mood extant today. What does an equally negative mood yield? I fear it’s wars of extermination, a willingness to initiate or escalate warfare even if it comes with a high likelihood of being killed. Even now we have urges to form up and battle our adversaries. We see people “demonstrate” for/against this or that, and we itch to take the fight to the scum on the other side. We think, “go ahead, bring it on.”

      Yet we’re still nearly pinning the needle to the high side. What are we in for when that is inverted?

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      • The open borders policy is for continual economic growth. There are of course some who are ideologically inclined towards this, but the ruling elites see us as nothing more than economies to be managed and no longer societies to run. We are consumers and tax payers rather than citizens, and they want more of us. This is true of Europe, I can’t speak for the US.

        Don’t under estimate just how manipulated the financial system is. Its rise and fall is not due to public sentiment, rather I think even this is manipulated to a large degree and the herd mentality utilized to great effect. There are those who always benefit from bubbles and crashes, so it makes sense for them to be orchestrated.

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  16. This whole post is written as if the J00s can’t socially engineer Joe Sixpack whichever

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  17. The next crisis will be set off by one of 3 things: China faceplanting due to trade, US government debt due to it’s ridiculously short duration in a raising rate environment, or corporate debt CLOs defaulting. I don’t see any other real economic black swan triggers. At least for the next 2ish years.

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  18. Anticipate away, but don’t bet the ranch on it. Read a site like Zero Hedge and doom is always predicted to be just around the next corner, then the next. It comes in some form, but usually takes longer than people think and not quite in a way they would have expected. There is a lot of dying to be had in a nation (it dies more slowly than people think it will because resources – usually other people’s money or monetary printing presses – stave it off for a while longer). So plan accordingly but also plan to live in an extended intermediary phase.

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    • Big flywheels keep on turning. I wasted a few years hunkering down. Better to make the most of the current circumstance.

      Wouldn’t it be nice… regain power, flip the switch on the pig shit machine, and “Who Rules Barter Town” all the parasites. Just a coincidence Aunty was a sheboon. Would’ve made a nice bedslave.

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  19. I owe CH this for years of great reads –

    In 1997 a book titled : The Fourth Turning predicted ALL of this – right down to Milllenials living in their parents basements. There is an 80 year social cycle based on the length of a long human life – all the oldsters die off and their knowledge and life wisdom is lost – wash rinse repeat – then you get a big existential war – looks like this :

    1780 Rev War
    1860a Civ War
    1940 WW2
    2020 ?

    I figure fall/winter of 2021 because WW2 started in Dec 1941 and the Civ War started in Sep 1861.

    All of this insanity you see now ? Things you could not even have dreamt of being true 5 years ago ? Just part of the cycle.

    The authors called it the Great Ekpyrosis, the great burn-off – all those failed institutions get put to the blow torch and those that survive get to live for another 80 years till the Next Time.

    That’s the 80,000 foot view of all of this.

    You don’y have to worry about feminism or the collapse of marriage or transgender bullshit or PoundMeToo – in a few years, people will be worried about how to get enough food to eat and that’s going to wash ALL of this utter and complete bullshit away. History will look back on this and judge it a complete instance of global insanity – much like we judge other past instances of societal idiocy.

    I suggest a stockpile of half a ton of popcorn as a starting point.

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 5:16 pm gunslingergregi

      we have more deaths now than any war we have had last year

      just overdoses and suicides

      apparently no war is worse than war

      then the 1.5 billion babies killed worldwide since 1980 is more than all war deaths combines in written history in 38 fucking years

      the horror is here

      and nobody really notices

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 5:17 pm gunslingergregi

      842462 babies killed in us so far this year

      wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

      more dead than any war we have had

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      • on November 28, 2018 at 9:43 pm front toward enemy

        Yeah, but they’re mostly black/brown babies. This is a good thing, so shush.

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      • on November 29, 2018 at 3:39 am gunslingergregi

        Yeah, but they’re mostly black/brown babies”””””””

        lies black pop doubled since 1973 white pop stayed about the same

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    • on November 28, 2018 at 5:19 pm gunslingergregi

      2020 ?
      ”””””””

      so yea more dead bodies than history of war
      its happening
      its been happening
      no one really cares

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    • Er, Hm. “I figure fall/winter of 2021 because WW2 started in Dec 1941 and the Civ War started in Sep 1861.”

      WW2 started on September 1, 1939. Japan and the US entered into it in December 1941.

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      • The Fourth Turning (and its predecessor Generations) are specifically about American history, so the authors are not wrong to focus on the American entry into the war.

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  20. Remember gents. The best way to stick it to the boomers is to control the border and end immigration.

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    • Because, obviously, sticking it to the boomers is the path to victory and secures a future for White children. :duckface

      N1ggers used to have a rally cry of “Stick it to The Man”… you post-boomer generations are in the abysmal mental state of being both the new n1ggers and The Man.

      So keep losing with that “boomers ate mah ice cream” schmhetoric.

      (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • Hey faggot. I once actually heard the “picked myself up by the bootstraps” speech. Boomers had one thing rare in human history: conditions whereby you work hard and benefit from your hard work. The rest of history is “fuck you get jewed work to death have nothing to show for it and die”.
        Boomers threw it all away for feels.
        Someday, boomer, I’m going to sit back and watch GenZ deliver legendary comeuppance. You don’t get safety and stability to be old and stupid in. Suck on that.

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  21. Leave the Boomer Generation out of the equation.

    ALL of the critical legislation was drafted and passed by SILENT GENERATION: Kennedy, Pelosi, et al.

    FACT.

    There will be no Boomers at the top of Pelosi’s congress.

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    • How dare you not blame the boomers for that ! That’s like, uh history and cant even ! Does not fit narrative !

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      • “Boomers ate mah ice cream” is becoming the new kike distraction agitprop gambit, along with White privilege… pretty much the same concept, when you get right down to the real nitty gritty.

        And all these alleged red-pilled alt-R allies are falling for it like a bunch of useful idiot schmucks, and giving it legs that would outrun an Ethiopian through Boston

        This is why we lose… and why we’ll keep losing.

        Boomers did not deny subsequent generations of free will, brains, and a good right arm. Deal, already.

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  22. @CH: in the spirit of Thanksgiving and Advent, many thanks to you for your talented writing, wit, sense of humor, etc. Ditto to the many insightful regulars.

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  23. Robert Heinlein when laying out his “Future History” in the 1950’s labeled the first several decades of the new millennium as “The Crazy Years”. Best prediction ever.

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