Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment

Finland tried a UBI experiment in 2016, Two years in, the preliminary results are:

Employment: unchanged
Feelz: improved

Link.

UBI doesn’t work in Finland, one of the most homogeneous White nations on earth.

It did improve participants’ feelings, though.

If Finland couldn’t squeeze any tangible benefit from UBI, just imagine how badly it would fail in a toilet-swirling Diversitopia like America.

PS Finnish girls have been pozzed for a long time. More on that in a future post.





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  1. There was an experiment in (then) lily-white Canada that actually did well.

    As far as whites are concerned, Id’ say results are inconclusive.

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  2. on February 13, 2019 at 3:48 pm | Reply Sorcerygod at sorsgod.wordpress.com

    Perhaps it would have done better if the basic amount had been higher. Judging by how governments jew welfare recipients, they would have shortchanged rather than embarrassed with their largess.

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    • The people getting shortchanged are the taxpayers, not the mental incompetents collecting free money.

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      • Yeah, maybe taking UBI out of the pockets of the new robber barons would be better. If only…

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      • on February 13, 2019 at 4:02 pm Sorcerygod at sorsgod.wordpress.com

        The welfare amounts are a pittance, really — anyone who doubts this should try to live for a week, much less a month on it. As to the question of whether race is a relevant variable, I would guess YES. The European culture, wherever it has planted its flag, remains work-oriented. But even in 1900 America, that long ago, there was a U.S. presidential candidate posing the possibility of much free vacation time for regular workers, AFAIK. So there you have something to chew on.

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  3. You know who has UBI? Farm animals. UBI would probably be the club to stop interstate migration. Along with everything else they don’t like. They’d be legislating what you had to buy with your money. Make sure you purchase the minimum soda and cereal quotas or else

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    • You know who has UBI? Farm animals.

      …including niggers in the antebellum South, who generally had a higher standard of living than the dirt-poor White proletarian lower class in Northern cities.

      (I think you win comment of the day.)

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  4. Roosh mentioned in a video a couple days ago that one of the easiest (quickest) places for him to get laid was from meeting girls at a nightclub in Helsinki. A very good example of good times creating weak men (and POZ’d societies).

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    • Even faster in Iceland. What’s more the girls will proposition the guys, quite openly.

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    • Roosh couldn’t get laid in Denmark so blames this thing called the Jante code lol

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    • Roosh has no game…

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      • He goes to these shitholes in Eastern Europe and tries to get drunk bar girls to have sex with him. Some are probably just drink Hos which are like hookers.
        But I have to wonder about the incel losers who follow him.
        Why would you take any advice from another incel who didn’t even have sex once in college by his own admission?
        Even the biggest geek gets lucky occasionally but he was batting 0.

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  5. Why not make everything free? Then no one would have to worry about income disparities. No one would have to work yet the trains will still run on time.

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  6. UBI.
    aka: NEETbux

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  7. UBI just raises the floor of being broke from having $0 to having $20K/year. So a McDonald’s meal would cost $25 and the poor would be no better off.

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  8. “Finland, one of the most homogeneous White nations on earth”

    Was. But they became pozzed.

    There are several things that i could mention about Finland.

    Older finnish women are f.cking the refugees and paying them money for that.

    Younger finnish girls are being raped by the refugees.

    Finnish women do not want to vote for the Finns anti-immigration Party (only 32 percent of its voters).

    Finnish feminist organisations organise “no whites allowed” events.

    Miss Helsinki is a black woman.

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    • How do the fe-men-ists attend then? Or no wyatt males?

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    • Miss Helsinki is a black woman.

      This type of propaganda is peak chutzpah.

      Related: In a Hollywood movie that I do not want to admit I watched many years ago, a villainous nigger character from fictional East Berlin was derisively described as a “kraut”. (Ethnic slurs against Germans are always acceptable; and ethnic slurs against “Germans” are even better!)

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      • So? What’s wrong with that?

        Snow n166erz are subhumans too.

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      • Excellent! I always know that I am succeeding when I have attracted my own pet troll.

        Protip: When someone out there whose time is worthless tries to waste your time by drawing you into outrageously imbecilic argumentation, it is an indirect indicator of attention level. It shows that what you write is read by many people—including those who may be smart. In most circumstances, a proper response is to poke fun once—contemptuously, without addressing it or its gibberish directly, in a manner instructive for others—and then generally ignore. I herewith take my own advice. (See also “amused mastery”.)

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      • Million Dollar Baby… some mischling, heavy on the negro, was the German champion girl boxer… former prostitute in Berlin, according to the story.

        Shame on Clint Eastwood for that one.

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      • Mr. Eliot, shame on me for having wasted my time watching it. I have a limited time on this earth; and too much of it was given to the electric Jew.

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      • Well, it was an Eastwood movie, so there’s that… there are far worse films to have frittered away one’s time on over the past thirty years.

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  9. The more buncha crunch negroids and j00z running around, the moar 0vens will be needed.

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  10. It’s almost as if WP

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  11. Is sensoring bad thoughts

    Comments dizapears

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  12. Finland, Norway and Denmark have 5m each, Sweden 10m people.
    The people are closely related in each country.
    They run a country the way people would run a family. Oh poor uncle Sven is a drunk, or Olaf’s kid is retarded etc etc we should lend them a hand.
    Never work in the US of 300m and where there is a much higher % of misfits and lower IQ types.

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    • on February 13, 2019 at 5:14 pm | Reply Libertarian_Pill

      It wouldn’t work anywhere. It corrupts people and creates an incentive to give up freedom and creativity and self reliance for a lifetime of servitude.

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      • It would work, in limited, sane fashion, in a homogeneous White country. It wouldn’t work as well as they’d like, but it would work (sputtering and clanging). Add Diversity into the mix, it wouldn’t.

        People are more important than any system.

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      • You apparently don’t understand.It’s like helping the defectives in your family who will never be able to work or amount to anything. It would always be a limited number of people because even in these Scandinavian countries people want to work and do things and don’t want to be seen as losers.
        Giving the few losers some charity money would not cause others to want to be like them or abuse the welfare system.
        Now in the US it’s a different story. Your underclass and coloureds has this attitude that they are owed something thanks to the marxist seltzer drinkers.

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      • I do understand, that’s why I wrote “in limited, sane fashion.” Run amok, nothing works.

        What I tried to say is that if there’s any chance for that kind of thing to work, it’s in a homogeneous White country

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      • incentive

        Economic Man fundamentally rises from a Marxist Weltanschauung. (There are some reasons why Marx’s main book was titled Capital, not Commune.)

        There is no One True Way for a nation to run itself. Do-gooders who pretend otherwise are the enemies of the most important freedom of all: The freedom of a sovereign nation to manage its own affairs, without the Jewnited States One Worlders bombing it to rubble and then forcibly teaching the people a One True Political System.

        Other commenters are spot-on about the nature of Scandinavian countries, and how their way of life worked for them before the globalist-internationalist crowd infested them. “They run a country the way people would run a family.” For a small, totally homogeneous White population, this sounds like a fine idea—and it did work in practice, when the population was small, homogeneous, and White.

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      • Major
        On these free wordpress blogs sometimes the wrong person gets the comment

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      • My apologies, Dr. Benway

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    • Also, many of them are swollen off the Nord Sea oil money and not having to defend against Russia at their borders. If the oil dries up or the Ruskies get frisky, those welfare check become rubber.

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      • I believe that every Norwegian has like a trust fund from the oil revenue.
        The US has oil and a lot of natural resources so why don’t you have the same?
        In addition to any personal money you may have, and SS when you are old, you’d also have your government trust fund that you could use as you please.
        Governments change and are really just administrators so why shouldn’t the legal citizens own the resources, or the profits from the resources?

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      • Because the USA isn’t a Socialist country, at least in theory. Also, the amount of Diversity makes any form of Socialism much less tenable, unlike say Japan.

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  13. Universal income is a way to create dependency, crush dissent, crush useless eaters at will. Obviously, slaves must be minted to keep it all going, but isn’t that the point?

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  14. Interesting thought experiment. Let’s say say the USA did a mass internal migration to different areas of the country based on race/religion. Let’s say we give California to the Mexicans and New York to the Muslims/Asians/whoever and the south/rust belt to blacks. That leaves the Midwest and north area to whites. My guess is in 20 years, Omaha, Boise, and Denver would be the blazingly center of business and prosperity in North America.

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  15. How is UBI different from Indian Reservations? Sure, you can move around, but can you afford to live in a decent neighborhood on it?
    The worst thing about being poor is that you live around other poor people. Who have poor-people attitudes and outlooks.

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  16. Limited opportunities for genuine accomplishment cause societies to make feelz paramount.

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  17. who is paddling these ideas? ((()))????
    after the total failure of the welfare state what we need is the one on steroids??
    jeez I could understand these ideas appearing in europe but in usa,
    which the very foundation principles are opposed to the state taking over people???
    just imagine for a second legalizing weed in the combination with universal income
    I see streets filled with cretins smiling “hay duuude where is the building at the corner that was here yesterday””
    not to mention what kind of powerful incentives universal income would be for barbarians at the gates
    so that is the new revolutionary idea that will save the west fu*ck let it burn down to the ground

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    • sure good ol soren could say that only because he never saw this
      as for myself I was always struggling to picture the hell, until now that is
      lolllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  18. CHekist’s feelz r still hurtin from 1939 Fin experiment llmaoz

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  19. “I must say that “Occasional-Cortex” is a killshot meme.”

    It 100% isn’t. you sound like those retards saying drumpf

    [CH: i thought it was funny. and tbh she isn’t very bright.]

    You thought it was funny because you’re intelligent. But the joke doesn’t flow well, even for those that get it. The only acceptable way to refer to her is Ocasio.

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    • AOC is a cool nickname, gives her too much credit. Cortes is her mother’s name – that’s beaner culture – to take the surname of the woman.

      We’re a culture that honors the father. Doesn’t matter that her father is a stinkin rican.

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    • Her name doesn’t flow well

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  20. An outsider’s view into the current situation. Has many interesting points. Worth your time.

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    • on February 13, 2019 at 7:04 pm | Reply Captain Obvious

      (((Jonathan Roth))) ???

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    • His speech is ok, but misses some stuff. He asks who would lead the left? Politicians? But as we see with antifa, their MO is splinter groups that can coordinate attacks by local lieutenants communicating long distance with soros-types, who are the real leaders, not the politicians. Muzzies use similar tactics. Antifa has Marx, muzzies have muhammad, beaners have la raza, and blacks were kangz, they don’t need a contemporary political figurehead. They just need a shared hatred of whitey.
      Roth asks if Americans are really prepared to shoot their neighbors, implying that he doesn’t think they are. Except in the most diversified neighborhoods, there would be little need to. The fighting would be concentrated around strategic locations: armories, tech warfare control centers, political and media locations, food and fuel supply lines, and defensible positions. The fatties and senior citizens that Roth mentions would probably avoid the fighting. Only a small percentage of Americans fought in the American Revolution.
      Roth says that if full military technology were employed, millions would die. That’s probably true, but those types of weapons of mass destruction probably wouldn’t be used. They haven’t been used in Iraq or Afghanistan. When friends and foes are relatively interspersed, conventional warfare would be more likely. And if we’re fighting over resources, then why destroy those resources? Drone strikes are possible, but who would control the drones? That would probably be decided by military allegiance or conventional skirmishes.
      Roth says that most Americans are too comfortable to fight for economic reasons. This is condescending Jewjitsu. Maybe the champagne liberals are unmotivated, unprincipled animals in guilded cages, but right wing freedom fighters have higher aspirations. The founding fathers were willing to risk their fortunes, their lives, and their sacred honor, in ascending order of importance. Some of them did have comfortable fortunes, too. Just a few posts back, we were saying that having money taken from you doesn’t piss you off as much as knowing that your money is being given to those that hate you. Lefties/ Jews underestimate the right’s willingness to risk comfort for principle.

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  21. so we can improve white whamen’s feelz by selling out our children’s futures under a mountain of crushing debt. got it.

    way too many fkn leftists in CH’s audience these days. you can’t ever be fully red pilled if you think it’s a good idea for the government to give women free shit at the expense of men.

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  22. You know how the leftists sell UBI as some Star Trek like utopia where people will be free to follow their passions? When some leftist voices support for UBI agrees with them and tell them you’ll stop working at whatever economically viable thing you do for a living and follow some hobby, interest or passion that is not economically viable and go on UBI as soon as it is available.

    Watch the lefty not like that one bit. Anger, shaming language, etc will follow. They expect us to keep working and producing like we are now. It’s for them and those they favor to follow their financially non-viable interests.

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  23. that is actually not true
    with communist regimes you would have few who voted against following the orders
    even commies were not so (((shameless)))
    lolzzzzzzzzzz

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  24. The person who has gained the most publicity in the Finnish papers is somebody who took a part-time job in a shop, and spent rest of her time volunteering to “integrate” (i.e. f*ck) immigrants. She was explaining how valuable her volunteer “work” was for society.

    In any case, this experiment was not standard UBI, but a version where you always get the money regardless of your other income. That kind of version certainly does not support employment. So, to stay scientific, it is too early to say whether the same applies to standard UBI.

    (I am a Finn, so not everything here may have been in the international papers.)

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  25. I disagree with all of you “IF” you not get paid extra for extra children. Everyone should get the same pay. Andrew Yang 2020 is running for President on this.

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/02/universal-basic-income-candidate-could-emerge-from-crowded-2020-field.html

    Why is it that the Jew bankers can get, $16 Trillion, “known amount from audit”, but likely $30 Trillion of essentially zero interest bail out money but if you talk about giving a smaller portion to citizens everyone coughs up a lung??? This makes no sense. The Jews own EVERYTHING from the bail outs and with the robotization of everything having a little extra cash could be a great thing. Think how many Whites who are just making it from day to day would be able to full time protest the Jews if basic needs were taken care of instead of chasing their tails in the Jew monopolized circus that is our country. I also think that, barring extra pay for each child, Blacks would be more careful who they pick as Fathers and the Males would be more likely to raise their children. They would also do better on the basic income than doing low scale robbery or dealing drugs. The expected cost are covered 75% by the now existing welfare programs which you are paying for anyways.

    I think none of you are looking at the total benefit to all in society and are just acting on knee jerk reaction to anyone getting anything for free. Diversity is already getting it but most Whites can’t get it because they don’t want to be broke assed and in this situation.

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  26. UBI will create a new dark age for the west and possibly end it. People will stop working to pursue useless interests that are a waste of time but that create the illusion of productivity and “fulfillment”. Things like writing crap books, painting crap paintings, crap music, and worse things like video games and drugs. Others will be paid to spend their time in criminal pursuits. At first, the only people who will continue to work will be people who have debt obligations like houses or other and need to pay them so require a higher income. This will create a huge decline in employable skills and from there, a large, unemployable but otherwise healthy adult population. The growing sense of unfairness will cause more to drop out of the work force but the UBI expenses will be enormous and so the West will go down in to a high debt, dark age in which knowledge and skills greatly decline. This push is being done from nowhere else but San Francisco, US and then from there the terrible ideas spread eastward. Once again, the tech crowd is pulling all the strings on this fantasy. Have a look at ycombinator’s Sam Altman’s enthusiasm for this.

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  27. Jews are overrepresented in the billionaire club. Equality demands we redistribute this until parity is achieved.

    Equality is anti-semitic?!?

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    • Nowadays it’s a mistake making videos to broadcast what you’re doing or, more often than not, what you’re GOING to do.

      As the article states, now the police are looking into investigating the group as inciting hate.

      Best to just take care of business and alle Brüder schweigen… working in small cells of no more than three, not knowing the names or activities of any other cells.

      Yeah, yeah… I know… the traditional flaw of leaderless resistance is that it’s all leaderless and no resistance. But that was when things were fat and happy, compared to these days and the coming times.

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      • Nowadays it’s a mistake… broadcast what you’re doing or, more often than not, what you’re GOING to do.

        Men, memorize these words and live them!

        In another thread, I wrote a very long comment about this that got stuck in m0d. The gist: The most valuable information you have is your motives and intents. To obtain knowledge of these things, the U.S. spends billions of dollars on mass surveillance—not to mention “Baidu”, Zuckbook, etc. Don’t help them by wearing it on your sleeve.

        Thought experiment: Imagine that you are living in the Soviet Union. Would you express your opinions openly? How would you “resist”? Now, realize that you are there.

        I speak from hard experience.

        (“Leaderless resistance” is another topic. My point here is, don’t be a fool—and don’t be seduced into spilling your guts by the illusion that you live in a “free country”.)

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  28. Did they measure total fertility rate changes in terms of who the fathers were? Genes matter.

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  29. Some keep saying people won’t work but I ask work at what? If driverless cars and trucks come, and they will by a maximum of 10 years, 15% or higher of all jobs will disappear. A huge percentage of jobs are in service and retail. They will all be gone. In 10 years a $1,000 computer processor will have the computing power of a human. You think you’re job is safe? And who will get ALL the profit from this, the Jews and the Oligarchs. You may think you can get around this but as most all people lose their jobs they will not have the money to spend to prop up whatever job you are doing. There will be no demand for anything but the roughest food, clothes and shelter.

    All the criticisms of basic income that I see are based on steady state economics and completely pretending that mass automation doesn’t exist and it means nothing.

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