Anti-Player Counterinsurgency: Game For Women

Reproduction is a biological arms race. Did you think women would just lie down as more and more players plunder their goods? Well, yes, they would, but they will also respond with anti-player counterinsurgency tactics, because it is the subconscious algorithm of women to make it as difficult as possible for men to get up their skirts. Reader “Dr Love” pointed me to a couple of Huffington Post articles by “dating and relationship coach” Jag Carrao (only in a nation wheezing its last breaths could a person find a successful career as a dating and relationship coach) where she offers rules for women on how to successfully thwart any game that men run on them.

Since we will be seeing more of this sort of thing in the coming years from self-styled “Rules Girls”, and because I am a man of tremendous magnanimity and nobleness of spirit, I’ve decided to get a jump start and give you the tools you’ll need to fend off women’s counterinsurgencies to your game. Call it anti-anti-player game.

In her first article, Jag Carrao suggests ways for women to avoid common female dating mistakes that keep them going back again and again into the arms of badboys and assholes. (In womanspeak, “dating mistake” means anything that helps the man get the bang).

Dating Mistake #1:  Approaching Him First.

Quick Fix:  If you talked to him first or even asked him out, you can try to restore some of the feminine mystique you forfeited as the initiator by being a bit more elusive – a little less available, a little more mysterious.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: Double down. When she waits a day to return your call, you wait two days to return hers. When she cancels a date, you cancel two. Or you cancel an even bigger, better date that she was looking forward to. A player understands that women like to maintain an air of mystery and coyness, but he also understands that the world is full of women. His abundance mentality ensures that no woman remains elusive with him for long.

Dating Mistake #2: Acting overly chummy.

Quick Fix:  Recognize that the more you talk about yourself, the less you’ll be listening and observing whether he is right for you.  Identify why you feel the need to yammer on — nervousness, low tolerance for awkward silences, desire to impress with witty banter and accomplishments – and remember that you are not there to audition, but to relax and have a good time.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: As any reader of my blog knows by now, seduction is in large part a simple flipping of the male-female mating script. You *want* women to feel like they have to audition for your favor. If she clams up in order to get you to reveal more about yourself, continue framing the conversation in such a way that she is coaxed into dropping important details about herself. This is when the art of qualifying is put to best use.

Dating Mistake #3:  Accepting last minute dates. 

Quick Fix:  To make sure you’re his “Plan A” girl (not the “Plan B” girl he calls after his first choice turns him down), I recommend setting a firm cut-off limit after which you’re “busy” – period.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: The seasoned player avoids any issues associated with the timing of scheduling dates by taking the girl home the night they meet. Not everyone is a seasoned player, though, so calls and arrangements will have to be made. I don’t have a problem with calling girls a few days ahead to schedule a date, as long as you don’t leave the impression that your schedule is wide open. For example, if it’s a Monday when you call her, and you schedule a date for Thursday, don’t offer another day that same week if she can’t make it happen on Thursday. Just tell her you’ll be in touch and see if you two can get together some other time, then. Ambivalence makes the heart grow fonder.

Dating Mistake #4: Jumping into a “whirlwind romance.”

Quick Fix:  You need to start pacing the relationship.   Don’t see him more than once or twice a week, don’t talk more than ten minutes on the phone, don’t open up too fast, or introduce him to your friends before he introduces you to his.  If he absolutely must see you every day, 24-hours-a-day, there’s this arrangement called marriage…..let him figure it out!

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: This one is simple. Three date rule. If she isn’t putting out — or giving clear indications that she’s well on the way to putting out — by the third date, her attraction for you isn’t strong enough for you to invest much more energy or time in her. Or she’s a repressed prude. Either way, the last thing a player wants is a woman who controls the pace of dispensing her sexual favors. If you sense she’s dragging her feet by date three, the best countertactic is to cancel date four. Any plausible excuse will work. Instill the fear of loss into her and watch as her practiced restraint melts away.

Also, any man who wants to see a girl every day, 24 hours a day, is not likely to get into any whirlwind romance because women aren’t attracted to clingy betas.

Dating Mistake #5: Wasting Time.

Quick Fix:  Know what you want – and believe you deserve it.  If you want to get married but the guy you’ve been dating for over a year still isn’t sure, set a time limit of how long you’re willing to wait then stick to it.  Once D-Day (decision day) arrives, and he’s still waffling, then move on and do not look back (if he’s ever going to know and man up to a proposal, this will be your best – and his last – chance).

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: This is good advice for women (after all, women’s dating market value is much shorter lived than men’s) but it has almost zero chance of being heeded, so the player need not worry too much about neutralizing the marriage ultimatum. When a woman loves you, and you don’t give her blatant reasons to bolt, the hardest thing in the world for her to do is to walk away from you on account of an abstract principle such as years remaining to sexual expiration. But in the rare case it does happen, remember: Marriage is no insurance against her leaving you; all it does is buy you a few extra years of arid emotional investment from a woman who is calculatingly capable of issuing, and abiding, relationship ultimatums. What *is* an insurance policy against her leaving you? Her love.

In Jag Carrao’s second article, she continues the theme of rules for women to avoid becoming a player’s next lover. Leave it to a “dating and relationship coach” to counsel the virtues of anti-pleasure.

1) The “play to lay” game. This is where he pretends to care about you more than he actually does at the beginning in order to get you into bed.

Girl’s Game Changer: In order the separate the man who actually DOES fall in love with you at first sight and CAN go the distance from the players, a woman must pace the relationship. Rules authors Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider recommend: Don’t see him more than once or twice a week for the first month or two. Don’t invite him back to your place for the first few dates, and try to hold off on sex until you’re confident he’ll stick around. Sure, a guy who’s just looking to get laid won’t put up with such “games from women.” In other words, you’ll weed out those who want only one thing.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: You can keep a woman playing hard-to-get firmly ensconced in your rotation of regulars by making sure you have other options. Never date only one woman at a time. Always keep at least two in the kitty. A woman will find her ability to control you by pacing how frequently she delivers the goods severely compromised when you remain unruffled by her pussy machinations. Again, by flipping the seduction script and playing hard-to-get yourself, you lure the woman into chasing you. The ultimate pleasure for the player is not sex gotten, but sex given. It is especially satisfying to game a woman so well that she chases you into bed, instead of you chasing her.

2) The “spontaneity” game. At worst, this is when men try to pass off “booty calls” as spontaneous gestures of missing you and needing you.  At best, it’s just laziness, lack of organization, or taking a woman’s time and schedule for granted. Either way, it doesn’t really make a gal feel special or respected when a man calls right before he wants to see her.

Girl’s Game Changer: Ladies, if you would prefer that the men in your lives gave you more advance notice when asking you out, then STOP accepting last minute invitations!  Why not just tell him you prefer to be asked out in advance? You know, ‘cuz it’s all about communicating and being honest? BECAUSE IT WON’T WORK and it will only come across as nagging. As I said in my previous blog, I think the “three days in advance” (e.g., Wednesday for Saturday) as proposed in The Rules is reasonable.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: Reframe your booty calls by making her feel that something is wrong with her for not being spontaneous. “I hope you’re an adventurous girl and not lame, because there’s this great sunset right now over the river that you can’t miss. Come join me, I’ve got champagne.” In general, you should refrain from booty calling all the time. She’ll quickly grow weary of them if that’s all she gets from you. Mix it up. A few scheduled dates, a few booty calls. Women love unpredictability.

3) The “good enough for now” game. This is the fun little merry-go-round in which a man creates the impression that the two of you are in a serious relationship when he’s actually stringing you along, enjoying your sexual favors and home-cooked meals, while actively looking for something better.

Girl’s Game Changer: If you’re seeing him once or twice a week, then make sure one of those dates is international date night: Saturday. Unless one/both of you are working or have family commitments on Saturdays, that’s when he gets to see you. How to get him to ask you out for Saturday? Say no to Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday…you get the idea. Once again, a man who is just marking time with you won’t “put up with such games” from women – which is precisely what we want! Men with lukewarm interest won’t pursue a woman who is even the slightest challenge – but not even teams of wild horses (much less a few pesky Rules) can deter the man who really, really loves you.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: The problem with this advice is that the men women want most — alphas, cads, and assholes — are the least likely to “put up with such games” from women. So the woman who follows this “Girl’s Game Changer” rule will soon find herself missing out on the company of desirable men. Only the very hottest of women can get away with saying no to dates on any night other than Saturday night. And the man who DOES agree to a Saturday night date will, ironically, because of the perception that he had nothing better going on, become LESS attractive to the woman who adheres to such a draconian rule!

And that strikes at the inherent disconnect with a lot of these “Rules Girls” rules — the more successful women are at getting men to play by these rules, the less attractive those men become to them. So it is not only in men’s interest, but in women’s interest as well, for men to refuse to play by women’s rules.

As for the specific rule offered here, a way around it is to train your woman to have low expectations for seeing you on prime pussy hunting nights. Don’t schedule Saturday dates until at least a month has passed, and then only schedule them once or twice a month. When your woman has low expectations, it becomes a challenge to disappoint her.

4) The “break up to make up” game.  Two can certainly play at this game, but when the on-again-off-again routine starts stretching into years, vs. months, it’s women who have the most to lose, as time is our most precious, non-renewable resource.

Girl’s Game Changer: This one is so hard. As Greg Behrendt put it in He’s Just Not That Into You:

“What could be better than hearing from the man who just told you he didn’t want you in his life anymore, his sad, wistful, ‘I miss you so much’ voice on the other end of the phone? It’s validating. It’s exciting. It’s irresistible. But resist you must.”

Usually, when he breaks it off, it’s broken forever. But not always. Sometimes you’ve crowded and scared a guy, and the break up is his way of reasserting his space. So GIVE HIM SPACE. Don’t call him, don’t e-mail him. If he does call and ask to get back together, proceed with caution. He’s proven he can walk away from you once. The defensive dating techniques I recommend can protect your already bruised heart from getting brutalized once more.

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: None needed. This “rule” works to the benefit of the player. Half-assed breakups initiated by the man are a great way to spice up a sex life. You will never plunge into a wetter, wider pussy than the week after you’ve quasi-broken up with a girl and called her out of the blue to get together for drinks. It’s mean, but oh sweet jesus is it effective.

There is another common game men play – it’s actually a word game, where they pretend they have never heard of and certainly cannot pronounce such words as “marriage,” “commitment” and “children.” Deftly winning this game requires delicate skill, and deserves an entire blog on the subject. So tune in next time for “Engaged by Christmas.”

Anti-Anti-Player Solution: This is because after marriage, women have a hard time pronouncing such words as “blowjob”, “ass to mouth”, and “train station bathroom tug job”.





Comments


  1. Nice posture and hand positioning. How long have you been playing?

    Incidentally, what kind of name is Jag Carrao? Almost sounds like a porn name….

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  2. With very few exceptions, Jag Carrao is giving very bad advice. It boils down to “more bitch shield, more shit tests.” What it will accomplish is filter out the lesser alphas in favor of higher alphas. Intermediate students of Game in favor of advanced ones. Potential husbands in favor of sociopaths.

    If that were Jag Carrao’s stated aim, then great. “Here girls, this is how you can go about turbocharging your ride on the cock carousel!” But presumably, her strategies are the opposite — self-defense against players.

    A truly revolutionary advice to girls would be to avoid meat market enviromnments and forgiving beta errors in guys who are above the girl’s attractiveness threshold and are showing signs of being solid provider-alphas.

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  3. First!

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  4. “only in a nation wheezing its last breaths could a person find a successful career as a dating and relationship coach”

    Roissy, isn’t that what you (and all the other PUA pundits) are doing?

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  5. Classic female dichotomy: What women say they want and what they really want are opposite.

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  6. I have to spend some more time thinking over this… the author didn’t say anything I haven’t heard or seen work before.

    For a man who is *not* interested in a serious long-term relationship or marriage (to have kids, etc.), your advice sounds fine.

    Guys who do the above anti-anti-player tactics will *screen out* the sorts of girls that guys usually like to marry: girls who aren’t sl*tty and/or are the perfect package of super hotness, beauty and sweet femininity.

    (Like you said, very desirable girls can get away with being choosy – also remember that girls bond to the guy who not only is quite Alpha but also AMOGs out the others – who wins when a girl has multiple “Alpha”ish guys after her? Maybe the guy who manages to enticingly stay in the picture just a little more than the 100% aloof one. Alpha vs. Alpha – who wins?)

    On the thread on marriage, again and again men brought up the men should marry women who exercise sexual restraint (some even prefer virgins), who are sweet and caring, and think with their hearts not just their “special areas.” Women who for whatever reason (fear, religion, culture) act “morally.”

    The above tactics will screen such girls out and leave the easy ones, yups.

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  7. Seriously? That article reads like something from Cosmo. I can’t believe you actually were able to read the entire thing. I certainly couldn’t.

    Another example of the stupidity of standardized “girl power” in a struggling attempt to validate by desirability, faux control over men in ways that only work on men not worth having.

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  8. By the way, Mr. R: would love to see a post on Alpha vs. Alpha stuff. Especially when a guy knows other Alphas/PUAs are after a girl, but they don’t know his exact tactics.

    Would be interesting… with so many rising PUAs I haven’t seen much on this except for situational AMOG stuff, where the guy actually sees the AMOGing going on. Very curious… hehe 🙂

    Also, I agree about women needing to be choosy but not in a b*tchy way. It’s hard to do that though… those are good recs. PA, be forgiving a little and also to avoid meat markets.

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  9. Zunder’s anti-anti-game: make up shit about the American right, fuck a sheep, pretend to be tough.

    Hey, it works for that beta. Don’t judge, playa hatas.

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  10. The power of the quasi-breakup is incredible. It will revitalise a flagging relationship, rekindle passion while reframing all subsequent interaction in your favour. If you’re about to lose a girl you’d rather stuck around, preemptively break it off and she’ll come crawling back in a few weeks.

    Try it.

    Best tried if you have deep reservoirs of pussy to go back to while you wait for it to work.

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  11. Ok, its true men are sadists. But its hard to feel to sorry for women, when they are such masochists. There is no morality to either position just Darwin, maybe thats why the Christians hate him so much.

    Look at the Richmond gang rape. You have this sweet, kind caring, white Christian girl who goes to church 3 times a week, wants to join the police scouts and collects teddy bears. I’m sure there was some beta, friend zone, nice-guy who idolized her as his Virgin Mary, and was sure that she would be the one who would see through his betaness and save him. But what does her HONORS English teacher say, this caring girl LOVED the same bad-boys who were kicking beta-boy’s ass.

    So its easy to see how the rape happened. Her white wigger wannabe gangsta “friend” invites her to the back alley. And they don’t take a kick in the ball as no. And she ends up raped for 1 movie and 1 tv episode. By 10 guys and a foreign object. And I’m sure it was great sex for the bad boys since here genes only survived because her greatgranny caveman gave great sex to her greatgrandpa rapist caveman. Thats what Nietzsche meant by beyond good and evil.

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  12. Call me old school, but my unmarried self has a hard time pronouncing “ass to mouth”. I’m not sure marriage will change that one.

    [note that the beloved billboard for depravity around here, the gay male culture, also has a hard time pronouncing ‘ass to mouth’. Or so the reaction of a table full of ’em lead me to believe when told of it in p0rn.]

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  13. nice pic, i didn’t know Michael Buble played near patio doors

    I luv a chick name Jag Carrao even more: she must give pertinent advice for Today’s On-The-Go Woman!

    Instead of Cougars, I get dibs on calling these clever, Wordsmithyettes

    “jags”

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  14. on November 11, 2009 at 1:40 pm It's My First Day

    Great post. The passage below should be in bold and be one of your maxims (although maybe a little rephrasing would be necessary):

    Marriage is no insurance against her leaving you; all it does is buy you a few extra years of arid emotional investment from a woman who is calculatingly capable of issuing, and abiding, relationship ultimatums. What *is* an insurance policy against her leaving you? Her love.

    I hope you are writing a book, Roissy. I will definitely buy it.

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  15. Women may want to on some level have sex with the cad, ahole but they often dismiss it as fantasy just as I did the female players. Women do like greater betas and lessor alphas, but just a little less sexually than the big alphas who look like big alphas. Women do settle, so not putting out on the first 3 dates will work in acquiring these men. Women do marry them. If anything, I prefer it as it means there is less of a chance she has been plowed into a 100 times that year. Putting out early does not work well with top tier marriage material at all.

    I actually don’t even believe in male “game” anyway. Male “game” is the the counter measure to female game. I started out in life asking for what I wanted. I would say things like “may I call you”. My wife told me that she would say no to such things but really wanted a call. She told me she did not even know why she did it. She was inborn with female games. Men are the straight shooters. I was born with nothing but logic. Women cannot have counter measures, they can only alter their natural preemptive nature.

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  16. ROSIE,

    what do you make of this picture? TRUE LOVE EXIST.

    This picture breaks my heart. She is a keeper for sure.

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  17. To the comments about “slutty” girls versus those with “sexual restraint”…..

    The majority of women that I have known in my life are BOTH of these. It all depends on the guy and the situation. Just the other day I was in a discussion with my cousin about this.

    She told me that she is going to make her future husband wait a few dates for sex, because she did not want to seem like a slut.

    ME: Why? You’ve had one night stands before.
    HER: Yes but if I sleep with him right away he might think I am slut and then he may not stick around for a relationship.
    ME: So you want to start a relationship with your “soul-mate” based on deception and manipulation?
    HER: Yeah, I guess.

    Women KNOW the cost of their sexual behavior in regards to long-term relationships. And a great many of them have their cake and eat it too (same night sex with hot guys, marriage to beta-providers).

    To try and separate “Quality” women from “Non-Quality” based on whether she sleeps with you in the first few dates is a futile effort.

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  18. As you touched on, Jag’s advice rests on the assumption that a given woman is a man’s only option. If there is too much resistence, the man will give up and call his other women more often.

    Whereas the things that make a woman attracted to a man – aloofness, assholery, DHV – are not the same things that make a man attracted to a woman. If the woman succeeds in procuring a man using these strategies, as Roissy pointed out, he won’t be the caliber of man she’s looking for.

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  19. Women will violate any rules they have if there is enough attraction, happens all the time. They will even say it plaintively after they realize they’ve made a mistake.

    “I even broke my three month rule for you.”

    and that’s my problem, how?

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  20. lurker

    Biktopia, aren’t you the moron who thought the Civil War was about exterminating blacks?

    lol, she’s from Hungary.
    If American kids in public schools think that way, it’s not totally her fault for living under Socialist tyranny where they promoted that bullshit.

    What is amazing is not just inner city public school student morons think MLK is god but don’t know who the fuck Thomas Jefferson is, other than “The Raper of Slaves”

    hey: i saw Wendy Schwartz balooning around here. i think she wants to fuck one of us

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  21. Dating Mistake #1: Approaching Him First.

    I don’t have a problem approaching first, its actually better , i’m not extremely brave but when i see someone that i really really like, then i take courage and walk over, and the guy, seemingly is just very grateful for once, he doesn’t need to do that crappy approaching thing, i swear its not easy, but it always payed out, coz most of the guys approaching me are not my type, and the one i find attractive is usually to shy/lazy/scared or didn’t notice me. I want to eliminate the fact that nothing will happen. Those few times i approached ended up in ltr. But you cant approach anyhow either, there is always some tactics, and a shy approach worked well for me.

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  22. Such a monstrous Beta Trap (confusing beta and alpha)

    Why do women expect all men to act the same?

    They have some idealized Upper Beta/Lower Alpha in their mind that is just handsome and manly enough to make their labia wet, but just pansy enough to brag to their girlfriends about. Problem is, there are only five of these men in the entire world.

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  23. Biktopia, aren’t you the moron who thought the Civil War was about exterminating blacks?

    Yeah, thought so.

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  24. Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider (Rules Girls authors) may want to call their copyrights attorneys ASAP – this is just a plagiarized hack of their book from 1995.

    Nothing new to see here. This is just “Jag” hoping that all the girls who were 10 years old when the ‘Rules’ was published wouldn’t recognize her gravy-training 15 years later.

    Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut. The Rules didn’t start some social chastity movement then, it wont start one now. The problem being (and one that even the authors concede) that adhering to Rules of conduct and behavior require a rational presence of mind – which, as most here know, is very difficult for primarily emotion-motivated women. A woman’s imaginations will always be the most effective tool in a PUAs toolkit. So long as biology makes women feeling-focused, all the Rules in the world are in vain.

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  25. Lurker, i never sad such a thing!
    I sad, wasn’t it about different opinions about slavery?

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  26. on November 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Shit… combative dating at it’s finest!

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  27. Obviously, if followed to the letter those rules virtually guarantee a woman a boring beta husband.

    In reality, however, the rules could have the effect of raising the quality of the alphas a woman does sleep with. She’ll still ditch the rules given enough gina tingle, but because she has rules she has promised herself she will follow, it will take more gina tingle to abandon them. Less sex, better quality. Maybe.

    But I imagine that many Rules girls imagine that the rules will somehow help them tame the alpha they want. More likely, they will get a rude awakening to their sexual market value to alphas. They’ll find out that attractive men want to sleep with them — but not enough to call 3 days in advance. Ouch.

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  28. on November 11, 2009 at 2:43 pm Horatio Sanchez

    This is almost too easy for you, isn’t it Roissy? It’s one of the great ironies of life that women (and the women who make these silly “rules”) are the worst advisers regarding relationships, particularly when it comes to what men need to do to get their love. Since the female of the species generally just has to sit back and wait for the attention, she is never tested in a way that can result in a non-lay; this is the basic state of being for men, and in fact, this necessity to figure out what works or go home choking the chicken is what made people like Mystery develop their successful methods.

    It’s do or die for us. It’s black and white – we figure out what works or we get nada. Women can rattle on about any set of ever-changing “rules” because it won’t effect the bottom line very much (at least in their bangable years), but men will just figure out how to parry the blow because we must. And Roissy is there to assist.

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  29. Poetry of Flesh

    Seriously? That article reads like something from Cosmo. I can’t believe you actually were able to read the entire thing. I certainly couldn’t

    you most certainly WOULD
    bitch

    every fucking word muffled thru a ballgag molded from my pizzah
    as my riding crop tore mercilessly into your tender assflesh

    then, after I filled every hole, for the final endurance
    i’d make you actually cook something decent
    dessert too, bitch

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  30. @ Danger

    You are right to some extent but this only works so far in the rational mind. Women still have instinct and even that sexy alpha may not break her because she cannot get a beta provider when she is knocked up as easily. Much more likely she will reverse the order and cuckold the beta after acquiring him. The old instinct will remain that she has a cover even though rationally the genetic test can threaten this.

    Single women do not have “cheap sex” with alphas. Single women are trying to get him. It may turn out that way but that is likely not her mode. A married women is another story.

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  31. By following Carrao’s advice, wouldn’t women ensure the following?

    1. Betas would get clingy and needy for her attention very early on, rendering them undesirable.

    2. 50% of Lesser Alphas would expose themselves as players because their game technique is still being perfected.

    3. Alphas who are smart enough to date more than one woman at a time and know how to play the game will have a virtual buffet with these women.

    In the end, she still gets pumped and dumped by an Alpha – the only difference is, she feels better about herself because she “tried to make a good decision this time”.

    And that, in my opinion, is what this is really about. I guess having your cake and eating it too now comes with 33% less guilt.

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  32. “biktopia
    Lurker, i never sad such a thing!
    I sad, wasn’t it about different opinions about slavery?”

    —which you, being an idiot, thought was EXACTLY THE SAME AS ETHNIC CLEANSING.

    Nice try on the whole “changing history” thing. You work for Nobama?

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  33. Good points Chi-town.

    I don’t doubt the amount of cuckolding going on, I’ve read numbers that range from as low as 4% to as high as 15% of men are raising children that they mistakenly think is theirs…..

    However, given the rate of single motherhood or 20 somethings these days, I do not doubt that there is a lot of “pro-active” cuckoldry going on. Have a baby with the hot guy and then find some chump to help raise it. It may not be a conscious decision, but it sure is happening more and more.

    I also agree that single women are trying to get the alpha guy to stay with them for more than sex, but said women are far more willing to sleep with the alpha early on whereas the “marriage” guy must wait. One makes them hot and horny, one is “the safe bet”.

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  34. Firepower,

    You’re so adorable.

    ❤ ❤ ❤

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  35. No again, i presumed the Civil war had an undertone of racist belief’s, you claimed it absolutely didn’t. I sad “pretty much ethnic origin to that war” Not ethnic cleansing!

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  36. biktopia, lying:

    “No again, i presumed the Civil war had an undertone of racist belief’s, you claimed it absolutely didn’t. I sad “pretty much ethnic origin to that war” Not ethnic cleansing!”
    —Nice lie there.

    Nope.

    Chic noir posted that there hadn’t been any ethnic cleansing.

    You claimed the Civil War had “ethnic origins.” Which, aside from beign a gross distortion of the causes of the Civil War made by left-wing morons like yourself, is a non sequitor: even if true, an ethnic origin is not ethnic cleansing.

    Had the Civil War been ethnic cleansing, one side would have been trying to wipe out black people. Neither had that as the goal.

    thank you for playing NewSpeak: How to Spank a Liberal’s Lies About History.

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  37. Lady Cumstaine, I missed that skanky ho. Something to smack around like the cheap, worn out piece of trash she is, before heading out.

    Roissy, I’d love to see a post about gaming/dating a girl who’s been raped/claims rape. I’ve run into a few who bring it up, and it sends me out of there. Love to see your thoughts.

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  38. What happens when women come up with a Super Duper Anti-Player Counterinsurgency game?

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  39. I think one major point Roissy is overlooking here, that colors the whole article, is that women are only as capable of enforcing the Rules insofar as their realtive attractiveness will allow them to do so.

    A major failing of feminization is that it’s always going to be subject to primal biology. These rules are only as effective as the reward-to-effort ratio a man -who’s primary sexual arousal is prompted by the physical – is willing to entertain.

    Imagine an HB 6 trying to adhere to these Rules in comparison to an HB9. Remember, that HB 6 is still a sexual competitor with the HB 9 contending for the same provisioning / sexual ideal partner. Convincing the HB 9 to adopt these rules plays into an HB 6’s favor who’s more inclined to “compromise” them and essentially beat the HB 9 to a potential mate’s sexual reward. Bear in mind, all of these Rules are directed toward one goal – long term, preferably permanent, commitment from the best potential candidate.

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  40. gaming/dating a girl who’s been raped/claims rape

    If you define rape as forcible intercourse initiated in a non-sexual situation… I’d guess VERY few girls would have had that unfortunate experience.

    In my 20s I’ve heard a few girl blab on about “having been raped,” which sounded more like she got pumped & dumped by a hot guy, or drunk sex with a beta ugly guy. Those girls had an offputting, flaky vibe about them. And they loved loved loved Tori Amos.

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  41. What kind of sad fucker would bother with a girl who’s been raped? Let alone one who broadcasts it to the world, and tells prospective sex partners about it. Jesus Christ.

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  42. T-OneZillion: are you saying that guys should never approach, and thus never date, girls who had been raped?

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  43. on November 11, 2009 at 3:38 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    This is a good a time as any to plug my August essay on girl game and mainstream dating advice for women:

    http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/how-mainstream-dating-advice-harms-women/

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  44. Not unless you’re into chicks with ridiculous baggage.

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  45. Nevermind Zillion, I misread your comment. I thought you were being a scolding feminist saying “What kind of sad fucker would bother with a girl who’s been raped

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  46. Veyr good post, and I wrote a post that’s very similar to this one, that lays out WHY Women feel the way they do about Game and Roe For Men over at my blog yesterday. When will these “Rules Girls” learn?

    SMH

    The Obsidian

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  47. Obs,

    What’s the blog link?

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  48. Lurker

    I wrote exactly this.

    “Pardon me, but wasn’t the American civil war elicited by different opinions about slavery???? pretty much again, ethnic origin to that war.”

    Do not try to put extra context into my comment’s.
    And do not try to make yourself somebody by bitching about distorted and unrelated topics. I have been around here long enough to see the resemblances of you and an old grandma bitching about all sort off stuff she is against just for the fun of it.

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  49. W Baker pitched:

    …what kind of name is Jag Carrao? Almost sounds like a porn name….

    thats that new guy
    from Parazeula or Veneguay
    taking Johnny Damon’s
    place

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  50. Just for the record, the US Civil War was started because Southern States wanted to leave the Union, mostly on economic issues. And the North did not want them to leave.

    Slavery was limited to arguments over whether or not new territories further west (future states) should allow slaverly or not.

    It was toward the end of the Civil War that Pres. Lincoln emancipated Southers slaves; he was motivated by appealing to England and France, and keeping them from aiding the South.

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  51. biktopia, trying to lie again:

    “Lurker

    I wrote exactly this.

    “Pardon me, but wasn’t the American civil war elicited by different opinions about slavery???? pretty much again, ethnic origin to that war.”

    Do not try to put extra context into my comment’s.
    And do not try to make yourself somebody by bitching about distorted and unrelated topics. I have been around here long enough to see the resemblances of you and an old grandma bitching about all sort off stuff she is against just for the fun of it.”

    —lol. Another lying female.

    You wrote your response to Chic Noir’s comment about there having been no ethnic cleansing in this country.

    And you deliberatel;y tried to conflate the Civil War with ethnic cleansing.

    Ethnic Cleansing is not Ethnic Origin.

    And the Civil War was not “ethnic in origin” to begin with, so your entire premise is wrong.

    QED, lying bitch.

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  52. Seeking Alpha,
    The name of my blog is The Obsidian Files: theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com.

    The Obsidian

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  53. I wrote my comment as a response to your comment that was a response to Chic Noir. phew..
    And you told:

    “””—the Civil war was between two opposing armies who were not trying to ethnically cleanse one another.

    Chic noir was talking about ethnic cleansing—where a government targets a subset of people to exterminate, and pursues that as the ultimate goal. The ultimate goals of the Civil war were reunification (Union) and secession (South). Both sides were willing to have their goals without bloodshed, but the other would not allow.

    That’s not ethnic cleansing at all.”””

    And ONCE again, i rather ASKED then to state!

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  54. Gotta love Rules Girls: The Modern Version.

    You want a rule that will actually hinder alphas, cads and assorted charming scumbags? I’ve got one for you: keep your legs shut until marriage. Or, failing that, until you get an engagement ring. Or failing that, wait at least six months before hitting the sheets.

    A culture where those are the “rules” is going to put a serious crimp in the seducer’s style. Not to say that he’ll be out of business entirely, but let’s just say that to achieve the moniker of stud in such a society wouldn’t require very many lays. Today a beta can rack up the number of lays that would have only been accessible to a “stud” just a few decades ago. That’s how far standards have fallen.

    But these modern rules girls have a different take- pretty much “Don’t put out until at least the third date, and make him wait until date number five if you’re really special!”

    Um…yeah. That’s really gonna stop us in our tracks. LOL! The funniest part, and the saddest part, is that our culture has degraded to the point where a girl actually thinks she is weeding us out by waiting until date number five! Or, more accurately, PLANNING to wait until date number five. The fact that she actually gave it up on night number one or two, well, that “just happened. It wasn’t planned and I usually don’t do that.”

    Yeah, she’s got it all figured out!

    Western society had thousands of years to figure this shit out, and came up with a good set of social norms and practices that worked reasonably well. You want the “real” rules? Rules that actually worked most of the time? Read Jane Austen.

    But no, that would require actual discipline and moral values. To hell with that!

    So instead, we have these modern knockoff “rules” that are nothing but attempts at providing a thin veneer of respectability to irresponsible, flaky and degenerate behavior. You can dress up a pig, but it’s still a pig. And you don’t stop being a skank because you planned to wait until date number five to do the dirty deed.

    The real tragedy of it is that there actually are some really good girls out there, and the idea that they are being given this faux bilge as an answer is a truly sad thought. It plays upon their inherent sense that there SHOULD be rules, and of course there should be. But the rules have to be real, with substance behind them. The modern knockoffs are mere imposters.

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  55. Roissy, you’ve failed to notice something highly significant about this advice from “Jag Carrao”: it appeared in the Huffington Post. A stronghold of liberal feminism. And yet, most feminists, even the moderate sort, absolutely *hated* The Rules when it first came out. The fact that such advice could appear in the HP represents a real turn-around. I wonder if the older women (the Amanda Marcotte types) who read that site have protested it furiously?

    Isn’t that interesting? Isn’t it worthy of comment? It may even mean that even women whose self-esteem rests on being considered feminists have conceded that if you want a mate, you have to learn to practise some self-restraint. And it may mean that the supply of willing “**ssy” is about to dry up (in both senses of the phrase) over the next generation or so, as more women understand that they can’t hold a man’s attention if they offer themselves too soon.

    I can’t help but see this advice, in the context in which it appears, as a straw in the wind marking the start of an important cultural shift.

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  56. I read the post, and PA’s right. It does nothing to NOT filter potential husbands and provider betas.

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  57. on November 11, 2009 at 4:23 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Someone should seriously revoke the relationship-dating coach woman’s card carrying privileges and ban her for life from the industry. Namby pamby rules and advice; it’d be more effective to start shaking things up a bit ninja style.

    Of course you’d have to have enough women who can maintain a code of silence while in the company of non-members of the ninja group. Difficult yes. Impossible? Probably.

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  58. aliasclio

    …this advice from “Jag Carrao”: it appeared in the Huffington Post. A stronghold of liberal feminism. …The fact that such advice could appear in the HP represents a real turn-around.

    turn arounds are nothing new for The Huffmistress: The fact Arianna went from Newt fan and mike huffington boytoy to Liberal Alien Queen in 3 heartbeats represents more crazy moodswings than Courtney Love in detox

    Never has so much female batshit crazy been given so much ovarian gravitas by her liberal media accomplice. She could feast on “Wirginsblut” more than liz bathory [hiya bikkie-boo!] – or Oprah – and still be given a pass to have her dainty feet cushioned by Sir Walter Raleigh’s cape.

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  59. PA

    Just for the record, the US Civil War was started because Southern States wanted to leave the Union … And the North did not want them to leave.

    Yes. Though Southern states had already announced their secession before hostilities or any declaration of war began. There was an extended effort to woo them back in or keep additional states from seceding without war.

    mostly economic issues

    No. Or only in the sense that slavery was an economic issue. Tax issues, which are to say high import taxes which potected northern industry but hurt southern imports of european, especially British manufactured goods were important, but slavery was central and far more important.

    Slavery was limited to arguments over whether or not new territories further west (future states) should allow slaverly or not.

    That’s highly misleading . The South seceded overwhelmingly because it became convinced that it if didn’t the North under Lincoln would abolish slavery in short order, or at least in short order begin phasing it out in short order. (Such as providing that only slaves who were 18 on a certain date would continue as slaves, once they reached that age. Britain had used as similar mechanism in the Caribbean.)

    What had previously kept that from happening were Presidents more deterred by frequently Southern threats of secession beginning at least by 1840, and the balance in the Senate. The Southern insistence of only admitting free states on a matched basis with new slave ones was the South’s mechanism of maintaining it’s veto power in the Senate. The election of Lincoln meant that was almost certainly done for.

    Hence the South seceded under the banner of “state’s rights”. Primarily the states rights to continue to allow slavery and related practices.

    It’s actually been an argument of the left and AA studies that slavery wasn’t over slavery, as a way of taking any credit away from northern whites for ending it, or as much credit as possible.

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  60. OT: The Game Movie is coming:

    http://www.letthegamebegin.com/

    Thoughts?

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  61. You know, women are on to this “sex in 3 dates or I’m out” rule. Those that don’t want players know to wait 4 dates. So players need to start waiting 4 dates to convince the woman he’s “sincere”.

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  62. with such a stellar cast, it’ll be a blockbuster

    specially with that ‘jim matador’ guy

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  63. dougie, the south seceded because of lost political power.

    It didn’t think Lincoln would outright ban slavery—not even Lincoln did, he mainly did it later in the war because it would rally up the abolishonists and strengthen the waning pro-Union spirit, and to try to foment black support in the South for the Union—but it did know that he wanted to stop its spread. And since the South economically depended on Slavery, that would signal a lot more strength for northen antagonists.

    When Lincoln won despite losing the slave states, The South knew that it could no longer conrol elections. As such, now the future portended of the end of slavery whether they agreed to it or not.

    But the north’s anti-slave push was economic. The North didn’t need slaves—it treated its factory workers worst than most slaves—but with the slave states having so much power, there were constant battels on imports—the South preferred protectionism (which forced the North to buy Southern products), while the North preferred no tariffs on imports. Add to that the cultural disconnects and the abolistionists, and the 2 groups were clearly going to fight on some battlefield.

    The south seceded because it saw the writing on the wall in terms of its economic and social power. It was devastated by the war, but its attempts were entirely rational: pull out and save your waning power, or stay in and face harsh repercussions from your new Yankee masters.

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  64. @Ryder

    Brilliant post. 3 dates is laughable. Those rules are making more cads. It degrades the entire cohort of women since it can be assumed she is used up a bit. So more men figure most women are not marriage material by default. If a women waits until 35 to marry, like hell she did not give up her best to someone else. How thrilling for me. Women’s only bargaining chip is to withhold sex . Yes she will lose the thrill of being jacked up by Mr big. The big problem is men figure you were jacked up by Mr big and want to settle for them. They say no way, I want to be Mr big. You blew it ladies.

    I am naturally inclined to sympathize with the female position. However when some 35 year old women who starts looking for chairs and can’t find any, I cannot help but grin at her just desserts. When my woman is well past her prime, she will still be the mother of my children and she will still be all of my past experiences and memories. She will be the one who gave me her youth. Someone else is just an older woman.

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  65. LesserBeta

    You know, women are on to this “sex in 3 dates or I’m out” rule. Those that don’t want players know to wait 4 dates.

    Got it: when I fuck her before the 4th date, she’s a slut, when I fuck her after, she really likes me.

    Never thought I’d get such great advice from a poster named lesserbeta. Sounds sort of Jewish-Italian – prime meat for lurker btw. Watch out: he’s a killer

    Good to see the bitches are ramping up their anti pua strategies. Women always made such good Generals

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  66. “the South preferred protectionism (which forced the North to buy Southern products), while the North preferred no tariffs on imports.’

    I think you’ve got that backwards.

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  67. “I am naturally inclined to sympathize with the female position. However when some 35 year old women who starts looking for chairs and can’t find any, I cannot help but grin at her just desserts. When my woman is well past her prime, she will still be the mother of my children and she will still be all of my past experiences and memories. She will be the one who gave me her youth. Someone else is just an older woman.”

    Exactly. Our culture should convey that message, but it doesn’t.

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  68. I’ve met, friended, dated, lived & worked amongst countless women in all my days…and I can count the # of women on one hand who are strong willed, calm, and focused enough to actually do one or more of these things to such a degree that it creates an actual power-shift in the relationship.

    Theoretically, Roissy is right; these tactics DO work and WILL shift the power balance in a relationship towards the Yin.

    Realistically, though, give a woman the opportunity to bare herself emotionally, get caught up in a whirlwind romance, etc., she’ll jump at the chance quicker than you can say “estrogen”. It’s what they’re built to do; Women can ACT like men all they want, they can SAY they want to be independent, women can put on the masculine facade to the Nth degree but when the hammer of genetics, hormones, and culture comes down, they all want to be girls.

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  69. Ryder:
    ““the South preferred protectionism (which forced the North to buy Southern products), while the North preferred no tariffs on imports.’

    I think you’ve got that backwards.”

    —?
    The South preferred high taxes on imports. The issue of exports is a moot point, since the Constitution mandated that the US could never tax exports.

    One of the South’s famous hopes was that the British would intervene on the South’s side, since the British needed the South exports (e.g. cotton) for its manufacturing back home. Never happened, but Britain toyed with the idea for a long time.

    However, the North didn’t depend on the South’s produce if import tariffs were low. This was the height of New England shipping; they could bring produce in from foreign lands if need be, especially south America.

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  70. @Ryder

    Rules that actually worked most of the time? Read Jane Austen.

    Eeeexxxactly.

    Older and timeles “rules” for women to follow:
    – Fascinating Womanhood and Fascinating Girl (1963)
    – Technique of the Love Affair (1928)
    – The Bible (100 AD)
    – The Koran (700 AD)
    – The Ramayana (400 BCE)

    New “modern” rules just try to take ideas from the above and make it more palatable to the modern female mind. B/c it takes intelligence to apply older time-tested classic rules in the modern environment.

    Timeless “rules” for men and women are based on biological truths about behavior – which haven’t changed. Just the details on how to apply them in situations have.

    (Many of the above have online courses or support groups to help apply them today – Churches have marriage workshops, FW has online and offline courses, etc.)

    Because women weren’t literate throughout most of history, most of the good GirlGame was passed down orally. Sometimes it’s still around in old stories. But what hasn’t been written is usually lost.

    @aliasclio
    Brilliant, SO TRUE. The Rules were considered anti-feminist back in the day, just like Fascinating Womanhood and other such books.

    Your point is excellent, sadly I think it will fly over the heads of most of the guys here. It’s easier for them to assume women are simple “tingle detectors,” for the purposes of improving their game.

    Also, He’s Just Not Into You, by a *man who wrote for S*x and the City*, didn’t get any such opposition at all. I wish more men would ignore an old book and focus on Mr. Greg Behnedt’s advice.

    The Rules just did better brand marketing compared to what else has come out. Look, it’s 15 years later and the guys here are talking about it. MOST girls today pay attention to He’s Just Not Into You, not older stuff.

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  71. As an added note, I’ve never dated a woman even moderately seriously that hasn’t done at least 3 of the 5 ‘failures’ in spades. My current woman is 5 for 5.

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  72. Aliascio

    it [Rules based girlgame advice] appeared in the Huffington Post. A stronghold of liberal feminism. *** Isn’t that interesting? Isn’t it worthy of comment? It may even mean that even women whose self-esteem rests on being considered feminists have conceded that if you want a mate, you have to learn to practise some self-restraint. And it may mean that the supply of willing “**ssy” is about to dry up (in both senses of the phrase) over the next generation or so, as more women understand that they can’t hold a man’s attention if they offer themselves too soon.

    I don’t think we’re gonna see feminists giving up their “permission” to slut it up in their college years and most of their 20s. Instead we’re gonna see even more lying and covering up about this past as feminists realize most of the better men aren’t buy the “sluts and studs are equivalent” line for girls they want in LTRs or marriage.

    I do see indications in the wind that the female zeitgeist including the more avowedly feminist sides of it, are realizing that waiting until their mid 30s to begin in earnest to look for a husband is too late to get the best men or maybe often any “good enough” man.

    You’ll not that the Rules as she’s presenting them are designed to encourage settling as well, settling away from player excitement, while selling that as being savvy about getting (marriage) commitment in a timely manner.

    As well they’re realizing they DO need a kind of Rules based “girlgame” to win marriage from many or most of the more desirable marriage minded men, when they do start down that marriage prospecting path in earnest.

    So it’s feminist legs still open throughout their 20s, when no relationship minded betas need apply if she’s a 6 and up. Cause she doesn’t need a long term relationship that ties her down from the alpha player chase during this period. She only becomes a reborn non slutty faux good girl playing false games with the Rules as she rounds 30 or sees she will soon.

    Except not such a reborn good girl on vacations, business trips, or maybe at venues in her big city where the better marriage material men don’t so much hang out.

    Yep, faithful wife material. Not.

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  73. The South seceded overwhelmingly because it became convinced that it if didn’t the North under Lincoln would abolish slavery in short order, or at least in short order begin phasing it out in short order

    No, the issue was allowing slavery in new states or a long slow loss of slave power in the federal government. That was going to happen anyway as New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada etc, didn’t have the kind of climate that would support slave based agriculture (California’s climate could have, but the gold rush flooded it with anti-slavery northerners, so that wasn’t happening either), but the South wanted more slave states to balance out the North.

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  74. If she doesn’t accept a last minute date – go with someone else.

    Mention having gone later (let her follow up and find out you went with someone else).

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  75. “The South preferred high taxes on imports.”

    No, it didn’t. I’m sorry, but you’re simply wrong about this. The North favored protectionism to protect its industries. The South, an importer of manufactured products (since it had very little manufacturing itself) favored low tariffs. The South had been intensely opposed to Northern promoted high tariffs for decades prior to the outbreak of hostilities, for example the Tariff of Abominations. Then there was the Morrill Tarriff which the North was pushing for at the eve of hostilities.

    Look, this is no biggie, and I have no particular interest in debating it – far bigger fish to fry. I honestly thought that you had simply transposed North and South, and was simply pointing that out. I think if you do a bit of research, you will realize the truth of what I’ve written. It’s all part of the historical record.

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  76. Lurker, you’ve got this the wrong way around: the South preferred protectionism (which forced the North to buy Southern products), while the North preferred no tariffs on imports.

    Southerners, as producers of raw materials (cotton, tobacco, rice, etc.) preferred *low* tariffs, so that they could sell their produce to the largest possible market worldwide. So too did the midwest.

    The North, as a producer of manufactured goods that were typically sold nationally (esp. in the form of farming and building equipment to the emerging western states, but also including clothing, shoes, etc.), rather than internationally, preferred high tariffs, since these protected its producers from having to compete with cheaper and perhaps higher quality manufactured goods from other parts of the world, especially Britain.

    The South, and the Democrats, had a long history of preferring *laissez-faire* government and low tariffs and taxes, right up to the start of the Depression. When the world market for commodities tanked after 1929, the southern and western states, and the Democratic party, began to support higher tariffs, in the hope that this would compel Americans to buy their produce. Meanwhile, the Northern states, once their manufacturing techniques had caught up with their competitors in terms of value and quality, had long since become free traders themselves. The Depression only confirmed this attitude.

    At least, that’s what my American history professors taught me, as far as I can remember it.

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  77. Lurker–

    The South preferred high taxes on imports. The issue of exports is a moot point, since the Constitution mandated that the US could never tax exports.

    The north wanted high tarrifs on manufactured imports that competed with it’s own manufactured goods, such as cloth and furniture, iron and machinery. It wanted low tarrifs on agricultural goods. The South and West wanted the opposite. However these issues were product specific, involved different alliances depending on the types of goods, and were usually compromised fairly satisfactorily.

    Slavery was the hot button. Because outright abolishing it overnight would certainly cause the South to secede, that become or remained a “radical” program that only the abolishionists advocated. The moderate anti slavery or “free labor” position was to prevent it’s expansion with the eventual result that there would be the votes to phase it out. Which is why the South seceded after Lincoln was elected.

    Any reading of primary sources makes it clear how central the slavery issue was at the time and leading up to the time. I did read newspapers and magazines of the time in my Am. History AP course in high school.

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  78. For women seeking marriage, if he doesn’t ask to marry in the first six months, then he is not that into you. If no man has ever proposed to you within the first six months, you have some seriously unfeminine attributes. Attractive women who project virtue and exude femininity attract husbands like flies to honey. Hard broads, however hot, don’t.
    Lovely young Polly Purehearts are irresistible.
    Always have been; always will be.
    Picture in your mind the most innocent 17 year old fresh beauty.
    What man doesn’t want to marry her?
    Then picture a 31 year old career chick with 14 years more “experience” than the fresh 17 year old, and all the best years are already spent.
    Ugh, brace yourself with an iron clad pre nup.

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  79. @djc: “What happens when women come up with a Super Duper Anti-Player Counterinsurgency game?”

    They start buying cats?

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  80. “Lovely young Polly Purehearts are irresistible.
    Always have been; always will be.”

    Ain’t it the truth.

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  81. The rules do a guy with options a favor. Seeing once a week. Yea that leaves time to go get some other chicks. Seems like some player wrote the rules to actually make it easier to juggle woman and help give the guy me time.

    Now yea if held till marriage that of course would tend to change the game.

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  82. what did I do?

    *chic noir slaps forhead*

    on the end of slavery- don’t forget Uncle Tom’s Cabin folks or the Quakers

    you guys have so many different outlooks on slavery because you’re from different parts of the world as well as in different age groups.

    I bet if I asked who killed JFK, you’d have different answers too.

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  83. Chic, You didn’t do anything, it was Lurker messing up everything.

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  84. The “Rule” business seems pretty well covered so I will rant about the Civil War.
    I think Doug gets it right. Virtually every one of the Articles of Secession put the issue of slavery at the center of their grievances. Long term trends all appeared to be unfavorable for the slave owners and the Southern Ideal in general. So they rolled the dice to try to avert that fate..
    A good argument could be made that virtually all modern wars get started when a State become convinced that long term trends are unacceptably dangerous and the longer they wait for a re-arrangement the worse their odds of success become. That certainly describes the Germany of 1914 and 1939. And, I would argue, the Bush White House in regard to Iraq.
    Thing is, the ones who start wars in the modern era nearly always lose them because long term trends were against them and they waited too late to reset the balance.

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  85. Fred But I imagine that many Rules girls imagine that the rules will somehow help them tame the alpha they want

    The authors of The Rules were very anti alpha male. They wrote something along the lines of alphas not being marriage material and are men who make awful fathers.

    Poetry of flesh Another example of the stupidity of standardized “girl power” in a struggling attempt to validate by desirability, faux control over men in ways that only work on men not worth having.

    POF, please keep in mind that not every woman is as liberated as you are. I think The Rules are less about keeping faux control over a man and more about getting a ring on your finger as fast as possible.

    I don’t want to get married and IIRC you are indifferent to marriage for yourself one day. But there are some women are thinking about a ring as young as 16, I don’t think we should demonize them for feeling that way. Girls who are liberated shouldn’t be ostracized either*.

    LSB The above tactics will screen such girls out and leave the easy ones, yups.

    I was thinking the same thing LSB. It takes no time at all to go on three dates with a man. I can go on three dates with a guy in 2 weeks. Everyone, both men and women want to be that special little snowflake.

    * I can be a hypocrite at times so forgive me. I’m a work in progress.

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  86. Gunny is right that a rules-happy chick makes it easier in many ways to maintain a happier harem of side deals.

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  87. “Gunny is right that a rules-happy chick makes it easier in many ways to maintain a happier harem of side deals.”

    True enough, but only if the rules girls are putting out. If they aren’t, if they were following the REAL rules instead of modernistic knockoff crap, then there is no harem.

    But that would mean actual discipline and substantive morality, something sorely lacking amongst modern chicks in general, rules girls included.

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  88. Those dating coach rules are actually pretty good.

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  89. doug 1 Any reading of primary sources makes it clear how central the slavery issue was at the time and leading up to the time. I did read newspapers and magazines during the time in my Am. History AP course in high school.

    you are so not that old doug.

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  90. Don’t forget technologies role in the end of slavery.
    cotton gin thought, is very debatable.
    Blacks were very expensive. I’ve looked at a few lists and saw some slaves priced as high as 10k(the most expensive). I saw elderly Blacks cost as much as 200-400 bucks.
    Don’t forget you had to cloth and feed them, which was nothing but scraps but still. You also had to nurse their health in the event that one falls sick.

    Some owner would take big losses too. An owner would murder an African if he/she were very disobedient or defiant.

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  91. The biggest problem with so-called “girl game” is it’s inherently self-defeating because the more a woman senses that she can control you with rules, the less attracted to you she will be. Contrary to the ‘equalist’ sentiments they’d like to think they believe in, women ultimately desire a stronger and more confident person to lead them through life – not someone easily controlled by arbitrary rules.

    The other problems with “girl game”:

    1. Women could never field test their as extensively as men can. Even if they could, most women are too emotional and lack discipline to step up and face rejection repeatedly to figure out what works. Hell, most men are as well.

    Consequently, “girl game” is based on arbitrary rules with no basis in reality. They sound like they might work, but it’s not tested.

    2. “Girl game” has no theoretical grounding in evolutionary psychology.

    3. “Girl game” shows a glaring lack of insight into how high value men think.

    High value men have something similar to the “bitch shields” that hot women have. If you want to gain the attention of someone with lots of options, you have to stand out in a positive way. That means being hot, nurturing, sweet, feminine and not insane. The more of these you can be, and the better you can communicate them, the more attractive options you’ll have.

    These girl rules do nothing.

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  92. Like they say though girl game for commitment not notches. How they act is gonna matter in the long term. If they can basically guarrantee a guy that he won’t have to worry about having a baby he doesn’t want or fucking him over in a divorce then that will more than likely place her at the head of the pack.

    On the virgin thing fuck all that. Magic sex is where it is at. Got to have sex before marriage to know what your getting and same with her. What if not compatible sexually gonna fuck you up.

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  93. Biktopia, you are lyingist chick in the whole fucking world. And trying to deny exactly what you said? How very he-who-must-not -be-named-esque.

    Doug, slavery was on the minds, but read thursday—it was not the only issue,a nd outright abolistion wasn’t on the table at all. And you couldn’t tax exports, but the north preferred freer trade on raw materials, so the south couldn’t drive up prices. It may be true that on manufactured goods the north wanted tariffs, but the issue was that the south was trying for both a monopoly on raw goods in the country while exploiting Britain.

    Honestly, I got a 5 in AP history, Doug; don’t think I’m whistling Dixie here.

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  94. And the South left because of lost power. Once the old 3/5 compromise was rendered moot because of Northern and non-slave growth (and banning slavery in new states was pushed) the South knew the end of dominance wass here.

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  95. The South had only one important export – cotton – which mainly went to Great Britain. How were they going to “drive up” prices to the North by limiting trade with GB?
    Outright, instant elimination of slavery was not an issue but a future where slavery was deligitimated and confined to an area of the country without clout in Washington was just around the corner. And what of a slave revolt? That is what abolitionists openly suggested. Or at least that is what Southerners heard most of all.
    And how was slavery to be ended without extreme wreckage in the South? It was their main capital investment. Blacks were mostly incapable of making their own way. Very few could read or write.
    The problem was not going away easily; everyone understood that on some level. It just that white southerners preferred not to die in the process. They were mistaken, but not 100% mistaken.

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  96. These tactics for women are silly, and largely premised on scarcity.

    In this day and age a guy with tight game will have choices, and hence will be less susceptible to any form of manipulation in the form of “girl game.”

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  97. on November 11, 2009 at 7:57 pm Marcus Halberstam

    Good lord, she gives terrible advice for women!

    #1 is I think the worst. Any man worth a shit is going to pick up on this sort of game-playing and her value and attraction is immediately going to drop in his eyes. Yes there are perfectly good reasons women need to screen suitors for commitment, but this has nothing to do with “feminine mystique”.

    News flash ladies: you aren’t mysterious. Any attempt to be so just appears to be silly and disrespectful.

    Any man who puts up with dating games (and by games I don’t mean screening processes, which are entirely legitimate and needed) probably has low intrinsic value. Being honest is not nagging. If you have terms or rules, state them early on, stick to them, and the guy will respect you more for it.

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  98. Earlier I sent Ms. Carrao’s “Girl Game Changers” to a Sista to see what she thought. The following, is her response:

    “when I read this, I thought, this was more of the same bs that hangs women up when it comes to men. Holding out, playing games when there aren’t any games played, testing men, its immature and dumb. It assumes that men aren’t smart enough to see the quality women from the junk. Another example of delusional thinking. Epic fail.”

    And

    “Ladies don’t need help…they need a dose of reality. Life doesn’t always go your way and you won’t get Prince Charming. And men need to stop putting on the act and playing into women’s mind games in order to get sex. Women need to understand that a man’s need for sex is the equivalent to our need for sleep. It’s that serious. If you don’t wanna have sex, step aside for those of us who do. You’re only gonna be cute for a short period of time and you can be replaced. Only good men discipline their minds and bodies around their need for sex. We can’t do that for men. That’s not our job.”

    I’ve signed up to follow Ms. Carrao on Twitter to keep an eye on her, and she charges $150 an hour for consultations according to her website. Her work is based directly on the book The Rules.

    Hmm.

    The Obsidian

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  99. Lurkie, oh dear, you don’t know what lying means. Im glad you are not a politician coz your ignorance is breathtaking,,

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  100. The rules shit that they are advocating is actually very effective … on lesser betas. I had this platonic friend for a while (yes, unfortunately, I’ve found that being platonic friends with a woman is an error) who was like that. She was a solid 8.5/9 when she was in her early 20s. Declined to a blubbery 6 when I ran with her the most. Ballooned up over the last few years to be a 3 or so, and from the photos she has to be pushing 300lbs. Yet, she recently managed to reel in a wealthy corporate lawyer. How did she do it? She lowered her standards. Instead of running after lesser alpha types, she realized her rapidly declining value and went for broke after someone with no resistance to girl game. There’s nothing wrong with the dude, other than he’s a mental omega and 5’5″. He just has no natural immunity to this sort of crap. They’ll of course be divorced in a few years, and the cow will be set for life. So, this dumb cosmo shit works.

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  101. on November 11, 2009 at 8:05 pm Marcus Halberstam

    Shidoshi,

    High value men have something similar to the “bitch shields” that hot women have. If you want to gain the attention of someone with lots of options, you have to stand out in a positive way. That means being hot, nurturing, sweet, feminine and not insane. The more of these you can be, and the better you can communicate them, the more attractive options you’ll have.

    Very true. Focus on the good feminine attributes: beauty, sweetness, etc., and not the bad ones: irrationality and attraction to assholes.

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  102. “she charges $150 an hour for consultations”

    Hysterical.

    Women are the cheapest creatures on earth.

    Bad business model of the year.

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  103. On “The Game” Movie :

    I suspect this will be the ‘nail in the coffin’ for routine game as many a RAFC will be lining up to learn [ and overuse ] that side of “Game”.

    As some have predicted, Inner Game and Day Game will probably become the order of the day for those men in the know.

    I also wanted to announce that the web magazine side project of many longtime posters here [ and Roissy ], “The Spearhead” has just launched its own forum :

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/forum/

    Give it a look.

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  104. This anti-player meme seems a natural evolutionary response to game. The tenets in the quoted article literally encourage women to conduct several SPECIFIC shit tests, all of which will expose any masquerading, naive beta.

    This is an accidental guide for women on how to screen more effectively. Nothing more. So is the shit test of feminism.

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  105. As a single straight guy,35 years old. I ask, why the hell do we american men put up with these evil ass american women, I was an officer in the special forces for 15 years and was stationed in Afghanistan Iraq and Germany, and even in Iraq the women were not as evil and sadistic as american women.

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  106. I cannot believe the comments have degraded into arguments about the civil war. I feel like the nerds on my campus just bled into the fucking internet.

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  107. Because absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely weeklybrainfood

    I’d say good part of problem is laws.

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  108. what do you make of this picture? TRUE LOVE EXIST.

    This picture breaks my heart. She is a keeper for sure.

    ===

    Must be the uniform, hehe

    No way that can be in America.

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  109. But hey for every divorce it creates 2 new households so it helps economy.

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  110. In Response to WeeklyBrainFood :

    Let me guess — 18D?

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  111. ahahhhahahah

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  112. shidoshi Consequently, “girl game” is based on arbitrary rules with no basis in reality. They sound like they might work, but it’s not tested.

    They are the rules your grandmother used to hook your grandfather.

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  113. In Response to Tupac Chopra :

    Would you be willing to decry the same behavior from Joe Francis under his circumstances?

    http://www.rooshv.com/idiot-model-gets-taught-an-important-lesson

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  114. @tupac- mu’s e-person is one that is too smooth to hit women.

    Now the professor needs his butt whipped. According to that article, he popped her so hard the kitchen workers herd the punch. That’s how you hit another man, not a woman.

    dana, I don’t see how you can laugh so openly at another woman getting the breaks beat off of her.
    As women, we must be careful when having disagreements with men. When things are getting hot, sometimes it’s just better to back off.

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  115. you are comparing a pornographer whacking some whore for deliberately spilling a drink on him to a college professor socking another college professor in the jaw over a debate about ideas.

    don’t bother taking the miller analogies, you just failed

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  116. Sean
    It is a guy thing. Maybe you dont understand.

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  117. dana- a man beating the hell out of a woman is still a man beating the hell out of a woman.

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  118. A friend of mine always wore “Alpha Male” t-shirts. He explained to me that that represented the lead wolf of a pack, and apparently he thought of himself as the same, because he had been banging chicks since he was eleven.

    Never mind they were all big & tall, or single mothers.

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  119. chic

    1. i laughed at it being a joke about obsidian

    2. if women can’t take the heat they need to get back in the kitchen and stop sitting in bars arguing like contemptuous shrews with men whom they do they will occasionally get whacked

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  120. As a single straight guy,35 years old. I ask, why the hell do we american men put up with these evil ass american women, I was an officer in the special forces for 15 years and was stationed in Afghanistan Iraq and Germany, and even in Iraq the women were not as evil and sadistic as american women.
    ===

    Because American men worship pussy

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  121. […] Anti-Player Counterinsurgency: Game For Women – Roissy in DC […]

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  122. Tupac Chopra:

    “When Obsidians attack”

    LOL! Dana is right, that was funny.

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  123. Ruby:

    Would you be willing to decry the same behavior from Joe Francis under his circumstances?

    You’re kidding, right?

    Anyway, I’m probably making mountains out of molehills. This was, after all, a small story. Not too much publicity.

    I’m sure if a white professor at Colombia clocked a black women during a debate over affirmative action, the airwaves would be just as dead, right?

    p.s. just messin’ with ya Obs

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  124. that should have read “men with whom they have no blood or maritial relationship and when they do…””

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  125. on November 11, 2009 at 10:22 pm unlearning genius

    ANTI-anti-anti-player game.

    Since I miss having challenging women in my life. I am working on the Anti^3 player game for the women. Rest assured I already have an anti^4 game for the men as well.

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  126. http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/11/bpa.erectile.dysfunction/

    BPA (in plastic) leads to erectile dysfunction. Avoid plastic gents.

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  127. dana i laughed at it being a joke about obsidian

    my apologies

    if women can’t take the heat they need to get back in the kitchen and stop sitting in bars arguing like contemptuous shrews with men whom they do they will occasionally get whacked

    no, sometimes women argue with men because of the random things they say and do to us. things they won’t pull on another man. but I’m still one to let things go when before sh*t hits the fan.

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  128. chic

    either way my point was a different code of behavior is generally expected between columbia professors discussing ideas and a pornographer and some whore who spills a drink on him–i think anyone can agree with that

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  129. Chick I am with husband broke a bottle on her head when he thought she was cheating got 12 stitches.

    But yea it stopped her from cheating well ok no it didn’t but still she does fear actually leaving him.

    And who gets special priveledges?

    You can learn a lot from a black guy.

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  130. on November 11, 2009 at 10:39 pm unlearning genius

    These tactics are not really as silly as they sound. The smart women do this kind of thing all the time. From a game-theoretic point of view this is even somewhat fascinating.

    Another thing I notice here among folks is that there is so much anger directed at women, it is as if you have been thwarted or something. Have some compassion .. yes i derive joy in seducing women and dumping them, but I do not have hate in my heart. Yes, i recognize most strategies and moves and counter most and miss some and sometimes even get taken in .. its all part of the game though. This is what keeps women interesting .. the young with their innocence and the slightly older with their “tactics”. ..

    Simple rule folks: If everything is coming to you easily, you are just in the wrong lane.

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  131. Sometimes the work of a few provides benefits for the many.

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  132. Like not having to pay child support because the woman refuses to tell who they are because of consequences that may arise.

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  133. This is all so breathtakingly imbecilic, it’s unbelievable.

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  134. @Doug1
    Those are good points. If a girl applies GirlGame without having the underlying character and beliefs, it’s just a big charade.

    Maybe the massive change in female nautre isn’t going to happen soon, but there will be a transition as more women wake up… perhaps they’ll teach their daughters to do better?

    Isn’t it interesting to see all the famous girls getting married and having babies young? Britney Spears, Nicole Richie, Christina Aguilera…some of this is more for the status of “Oh babies are so cute to have!” But part of it might be girls learning collectively that fulfilling the female role just plain feels good.

    So the modern girl’s dilemma then if she can just fake it:

    I hope men also learn to spot the real “good girls” from the fakes. Saying this as a girl who didn’t do the wild thing EVER and won’t, who gets so much cr*p from people about it. Although I wasn’t a good girl just to show off or anything… I am this way because in my heart I believe this is the right way to live in harmony with higher principles (the right path spiritually, basically). When I’ve felt temptation, my super strict and overprotective family and super judgmental and gossipy ethnic community squashed all of that. At least a few guys appreciates this, fortunately. But it’s hard, very hard if a girl is not strong inside and doesn’t have support around her…

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  135. Also, I hope everyone believes in a little forgiveness. If a guy is Beta and learns to be more Alpha, it’s nice to forgive him for his past and focus on who he is now. If a girl messed up in the past and learned her lesson, and is a better woman now truly within her heart… shouldn’t she get some slack cut too? (I’m sure the last part is unpopular compared to the first… double standard of course) Even though I’ve been good, I feel bad to judge those who didn’t have the same strength behind them… who were similarly blessed. They’re judged just as badly as me

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  136. lsb,

    I was going to give Hope the award for genuinely sweetest female of chateau R but it looks like you’re giving Hope a run for her money.

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  137. yeah, “The Rules” in my mind is associated with SatC, late-90s-bubble-in-NYC, snare-a-rich-guy thinking. IOW, it was limited to a certain time and place – based on traditional female manipulation, but with a kind of plutocratic spin. Maybe I’m wrong though. Another poster in the previous thread said it best – women need no “game” per se because they just hang back and let the men approach them. it’s a passive form of manipulation: withholding sex, attention, whatever. And also as other that said, it works well on men with no options (betas) or men with a serious case of one-itis. Someone else said it — roissy, this is too easy. like shooting fish in a barrel.

    re the civial war bits above: lurker – Ryder, aliasclio and doug are right: it’s the North that maintained high tariffs to protect its nascent manufactuing sector against better-established British and european competitors. This was Republican policy right through the 1920s, and mirrors the “emerging markets” today who use high tariffs to prop up an import subsitution policy. The U.S. was the booming emerging market of the 19th c.

    The South differed from this view so strongly that it led to the one 19th c threat to the Union that was not over slavery: the Nullification crisis of 1836. Essentially, South Carolina wanted to nullify a bunch of Federal tariffs – essentially a state setting its own foreign policy, which is prohibited by the Constitution. John C Calhoun was the architect of this policy, and historians view it as a step on the road to the secession that followed 25 years later.

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  138. Or maybe just every guy needs to harden the fuck up and not pay child support. Would only be a few years before your release when the laws change.

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  139. maurice
    yeah, “The Rules” in my mind is associated with SatC, late-90s-bubble-in-NYC, snare-a-rich-guy thinking

    no no no you guys didn’t read the book. The Rules is about getting a husband so a woman can have a nice family and home life. It was anti SATC, that’s why the feminists hated those women.

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  140. This Jag Carrao woman, calls herself Malibu Rules Girl (hint: her twitter link at the end of the Huffington Post article). It’s no wonder she applies the rules. Additionally, she looks like she’s 50 y.o. (it’s her in the pic) : http://www.maliburulesgirl.com/home.php

    I usually respect elders because of their life experiences, but i think this lady is just old without the accompanying wisdom. or maybe if you are 50 and want to pull a 65 y.o. this would work.

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  141. Sure we have our girl game rules but truthfully if an artful gamer crosses my path I’m gonna fall and fall hard. Who are we kidding. He’ll know our strategies and he’ll counter – game is over – for us.

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  142. tupac:
    I’m sure if a white professor at Colombia clocked a black women during a debate over affirmative action, the airwaves would be just as dead, right?

    man, if that ever happened, CNN would be on a 24 hour nonstop loop running stories about how far we still have to go combating racism in america. chris matthews would jizz in his pants.

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  143. bb – they divorced. but i’m sure you knew that.

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  144. My favorite quote from the story:

    “‘He knocked the glasses right off my face,” said the man, who would only give his first name as “Shannon.” “The punch came out of nowhere. Mac was talking to us about white privilege and what I was doing about it — apparently I wasn’t doing enough.'”

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  145. on November 12, 2009 at 12:06 am The Fifth Horseman

    ‘The Rules’, and the massive solipism of similar such books, only work against lesser Betas of zero Game. In fact, all of their tactics hinge heavily on the man having no other choices.

    Game is to The Rules is to a clueless Beta,……

    What a Machine Gun is to a knife is to a naked unarmed person.

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  146. Is it possible to regain ground after a breakup and breakup sex?

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  147. Yea I don’t think it was a magic punch it was more than likely a fist that was attached to the other guys arm but academics might be able to debate that it was some deity or paranoral event perhaps.

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  148. lol wtf is this secret girlfriend.

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  149. @maurice

    women need no “game” per se because they just hang back and let the men approach them. it’s a passive form of manipulation: withholding sex, attention, whatever.

    Most of the advice to women since anicent times, really, is to simply respond and/or hold back from a man – to evaluate him basically? How to actually do this in particular situations is tricky.

    So I REEEEALLY wish someone here would try to answer what happens when a girl has multiple Alphas interested in her. And if the Alphas don’t know too much about each other, particularly what the others’ tactics are.

    AMOGing doesn’t just happen when she’s in front of you; if you leave her alone too long, how do you know a fresh new Alpha won’t sweep her away?

    With so many men learning Game, and so many men who continue to want children (just read the marriage thread from yesterday), it seems like it is possible: more attractive and femmy women will have multiple Alphas to choose from for marriage.

    This idea just occurred to me right now really. So many men learning Game and so many men who still want kids and marriage… as the other thread proved.

    Wish someone would address the scenario of a woman (9-10 range or even less) with multiple Alphas! Imagine Megan Fox or Adriana Lima… and all the top notch Alphas that tried to get them. Who won and why?

    Is anyone able to disprove this idea?

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  150. seems like counterinsurgency game for woman or telling dudes to have confidense either.

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  151. on November 12, 2009 at 12:43 am unlearning genius

    aoefe

    “Sure we have our girl game rules but truthfully if an artful gamer crosses my path I’m gonna fall and fall hard. Who are we kidding. He’ll know our strategies and he’ll counter – game is over – for us.”

    Your writing however gives it away. It must indeed be a female fantasy to hold a powerful guy in thrall even if for a brief period. Over time as women have crossed my path, I have at times wondered and mused at the female mental landscape .. it is so very alien to my own (a cold desert with perfectly geometrical shapes, corners and a few neatly classified “not yet modeled” zones and some primal pangs) ..

    In retrospect, it seems odd .. my cold and logical opportunistic mating activities .. heads up against what seems to me almost a child .. a dreamer .. at times the women cry .. they seem to be in genuine pain and then they are in so much joy… somehow these swings are inaccessible to me … my own palette is so very pastel…women are such a drug …

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  152. challenge the other dude to a duel for the disrespect if he doesn’t accept he becomes a loser. You win even if you don’t get girl since that is secondary to keeping your respect.

    Or yea the woman becomes throwaway after she crosses the line in showing interest to another man. She goes into the robot feelings compartment.

    Or you it is like lord of the flies type shit and you just fuck the best out of all the other guys and it is obvious that she only worships your dick and the other dudes give you props for your win.

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  153. But really once a guy marries a chick he prob doesn’t worry to much about her cheating whats the point you either kill her or get rid of her or she leaves based on the punative damage she tries to inflict.

    Whats to worry about.

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  154. Plus if other guys are able to distract her while your in some kind of dating mode then yea is it really the woman for you?

    What would you win by winning.

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  155. on November 12, 2009 at 1:03 am The Fifth Horseman

    So I REEEEALLY wish someone here would try to answer what happens when a girl has multiple Alphas interested in her.

    Such a woman (9.5 or 10), is only about 1 or 2 out of every 1000 women. So their situation is extremely rare, and is not useful for the average woman to ponder too much.

    Furthermore, given the hypergamous nature of women, she will only be attracted to one of them at any given time.

    Lastly, those ‘multiple alphas’, by definition of their being Alpha, will have several women interest in EACH OF THEM at once. No real Alpha only has one woman going at any given time.

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  156. Not sure on the prize being a “virgin”.

    I imagine that would be a unique situation.

    But for rich alphas I would imagine they would be able to have access to their choice of virgin pussy.

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  157. Look, the interesting about The Rules and its descendants in the self-help industry is that these books must be among the few issues which unite men and “sex-positive” feminists: both tend to loathe them, usually, they claim, on the grounds that such rules are “manipulative”.

    That fact is instructive. Men – even successful player-types – know that if women in general were to take up the Rules, the supply of young, eager-for-sexual experience women would be greatly lessened, as I pointed out earlier in this thread. Sexually active unmarried women know that their own value as mates would be lessened if other women were to decline the opportunity to play the field in their youth. That’s also why sexually experienced young women tend to be ruthlessly condescending to other women who have chosen to remain virgins for whatever reason, even if the latter are neither ostentatious nor holier-than-thou about their lack of sexual experience.

    Meanwhile, there really isn’t anything manipulative about women who want a lifetime mate trying to screen out men who aren’t interested in becoming one. Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy, or insisting that no woman is special enough to wait for, are “shaming tactics” used by player men and by sexually active women to bring other women into line. I wish I had understood that when I was younger.

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  158. @clio – “Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy, or insisting that no woman is special enough to wait for, are “shaming tactics” used by player men and by sexually active women to bring other women into line. I wish I had understood that when I was younger.”

    Me too.

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  159. If the guy leaves after hitting the pussy then you didn’t offer enough to stay.

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  160. on November 12, 2009 at 1:16 am unlearning genius

    @aliasclio,

    You always have such profound observations .. your thinking is so unique.

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  161. The rules aren’t saying don’t give it up till married though just after a few dates whatever it plays into the hands of a man with options.

    As long as men can pay for sex keeps playing field even.

    Guy can get balls drained woman can play all the games they want without messing with the guys head.

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  162. Clio:

    Meanwhile, there really isn’t anything manipulative about women who want a lifetime mate trying to screen out men who aren’t interested in becoming one. Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy

    I don’t think anyone said it was “bitchy”, just that it was a red-flag that the woman has little to no sexual feelings for you and is able to control herself in order to dispassionately secure a provider-beta.

    I guess if a man doesn’t mind being a provider-beta, it’s no big deal. The rest of us prefer to have sex lives that don’t vanish after the wedding, however.

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  163. Not everyone will be compatible the virgin thing might just be cheating yourself. What if your not busting mad o’s lsb when you get with the guy you marry?

    What if it turns out he waited with no problem through the shit tests and no sex because he doesn’t like sex?

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  164. on November 12, 2009 at 1:31 am unlearning genius

    @Gunslingergregi

    “Guy can get balls drained woman can play all the games they want without messing with the guys head. ”

    This is the thing though .. Its that whole natural song and dance thing .. although you can cognitively deal with the Madonna/whore complex .. it is still there lurking behind .. we are programmed to value sexual inexperience in women .. and smart women know how to push these buttons …. I would like to think I am completely over my M/W, but truth be told .. it is still there and it will always be there .. just have to work around it i suppose.

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  165. Yea man there are quit some things to unlearn.

    Like that woman need fake equality to be equal.

    Shit like that.

    I actually got a real madonna/whore so covered both bases.

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  166. on November 12, 2009 at 1:37 am unlearning genius

    @Tupac Chopra,
    “I guess if a man doesn’t mind being a provider-beta, it’s no big deal. The rest of us prefer to have sex lives that don’t vanish after the wedding, however.”

    It is no magic, of course you are going to get bored with your wife. That is why men need mistresses or hookers. Expecting the woman to be both a M and W is unreasonable. ..truth is a man needs both at various times in his life. All this provider beta crap is so perpetually adolescent.

    The world acknowledges this truth. A man is expected to have mistresses and side ones, but he is expected to be discreet about it.

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  167. I will buy her a cannonization if I ever get that rich.

    But some shit we are raised with can be good.

    But most things you are taught are so that you will fit neatly into a pine box at the end of your life without going through or causing to much trouble on the way.

    You are not taught to suck the marrow from the bones of life. That would be wrong right?

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  168. You are not taught that it is ok to be free and not worry about money.

    You are taught that you are always supposed to be doing some job or business to make something called money and spend the majority of your time on that.

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  169. Yea ok my woman is on a sick pedestal jesus lol

    But she put me on one too.

    So maybe its ok.

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  170. I don’t think anyone said it was “bitchy”, just that it was a red-flag that the woman has little to no sexual feelings for you and is able to control herself in order to dispassionately secure a provider-beta.

    I guess if a man doesn’t mind being a provider-beta, it’s no big deal. The rest of us prefer to have sex lives that don’t vanish after the wedding, however.

    Tupac, with all due respect, I think this is silly. First, there are many women without strong sexual/emotional feelings for a particular man who sleep with him anyway out of boredom or the need for validation – and yes, sometimes even alpha males get pushed into this role, especially if they don’t have anything besides “game” to offer. I don’t mean money or status – I mean intelligence and interesting personalities, which *do* count for women and are part of what makes for that tingle of which Roissy likes to speak. Game can get a man sex, but not necessarily passion.

    Second, there are women who are capable of containing their passion for a man because they want to ensure that he feels the same about them as they do about him. This kind of woman is relatively rare these days because – well, because other women don’t tend to support it. I know that’s a tautology but it’s true. Women’s sexual behaviour is generally set not by their feelings for men, but by what other women think is acceptable. If enough young, attractive women, a critical mass, decide they prefer marriage to casual sex, for whatever reason, then the remaining women will follow suit even if they don’t have strong feelings against casual sex themselves. Very few women can afford to risk being ostracized by other women – it’s a sure recipe for a miserable life. Only the outliers will resist the pressure.

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  171. ””””””’First, there are many women without strong sexual/emotional feelings for a particular man who sleep with him anyway out of boredom or the need for validation – and yes, sometimes even alpha males get pushed into this role, especially if they don’t have anything besides “game” to offer. ”””””’

    If true extremely good reason for sex before marriage maybe we have evolved better than before.

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  172. And a reason for a man to get some experience before he commits to any woman.

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  173. ””’especially if they don’t have anything besides “game” to offer.”””

    What else is there?

    Although a woman can get away with just offering pussy because that is all their needed for if the guy takes care of everything else. Or at least for a pump and dump. But an alpha would normally expect more out of the woman than pussy no matter who it was if it is gonna last more than a day.

    he he he

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  174. Oh and the guy uses game till he finds woman who have passion. Your right many woman don’t hence all the fear about giving up the booty. Unless they do it for a more pure reason like a gift for their husband but not out of fear that once a guy hits it he is gonna leave.

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  175. I don’t understand why a woman would fuck before the third date. What could she possibly get out of it? Why is obtaining a fleeting scrap of male attention such a worthy objective?
    Whoooooooo, you got a man to pay attention to you for a few minutes, big fucking deal.
    I made my Russian “court” me for months. I wish the old days of protracted courtship and narrowly-defined gender roles would make a comeback. 😦
    My cum dumpster female “friends” would find a lot more happiness if they respected themselves enough to make the man wait. None of these chicks can sustain a long-term relationship and I get to hear them wail when another man hasn’t called them baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack after a one-night stand. They can’t understand why the pig won’t be further involved with them after feeding from the trough.
    The Rules aren’t revolutionary, just common sense, but I wish the girls in my age group were familiar with them.

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  176. Rihanna is going to be all over that Columbia prof. Chris Brown better watch out!

    Just saying.

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  177. on November 12, 2009 at 2:55 am gunslingergregi

    And yea I even care about the little people. Like I told the chick I am with to start looking for another dude since I am leaving. She says she won’t. I guess how you handle it to keep their loyalty if they are not ltr material. Everything in reverse just like normal.

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  178. whiskey, lol.

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  179. “Woman is able, in a quite extraordinary way, to produce the impression that she herself is really non-sexual, and that her sexuality is only a concession to man. But be that as it may, at the present time men have almost allowed themselves to be persuaded by woman that their strongest and most markedly characteristic desire lies in sexuality, that it is only through woman that they can hope to satisfy their truest and best ambitions, and that chastity is an unnatural and impossible state for them. How often it happens that young men who are wrapped up in their work are told by women to whom they appeal and who would prefer to have them paying them attention, or even as sons-in-law, that “they ought not to work too hard,” that they ought to “enjoy life.” At the bottom of this sort of advice there lies a feeling on the woman’s part, which is none the less real because it is unconscious, that her whole significance and existence depend on her mission as a procreating agent, and that she goes to the wall if man is allowed to occupy himself altogether with other than sexual matters.” – http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/sexcharh.html#wmankind

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  180. on November 12, 2009 at 3:14 am gunslingergregi

    Well yea eman if a man can sire a 100 kids he has created his own personnal army.

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  181. on November 12, 2009 at 3:16 am gunslingergregi

    There is nothing they cannot achieve on this world.

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  182. on November 12, 2009 at 3:26 am unlearning genius

    @Cecilia

    “I don’t understand why a woman would fuck before the third date. What could she possibly get out of it? Why is obtaining a fleeting scrap of male attention such a worthy objective?”

    Both You and I know that this is only the public face you project .. the hoops you have so exquisitely crafted for the “betas” … you know they are arbitrary, the guys know they are arbitrary .. yet they engage in the song and dance nonetheless .. you do secretly yearn for a dude to just storm into your life and break all your rules, fuck you for free and get away before sunrise …

    Because this public face of yours is so strong, any man who openly appears to be a cad will get filtered .. a prospective dad will be entertained and kept as reserve .. the cad will pay lip service to your rules .. will obtain compliance .. apply changes so minute in relation to each other .. yet so purposeful and devious on the whole .. Don’t lie this strategy has worked on you before .. you were amazed when it did and you liked it too …

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  183. on November 12, 2009 at 3:31 am unlearning genius

    the above can also be called sneaky fucker beta –albeit the weasel strategy .. works especially well on the self proclaimed “prudes” who think they have built castles against the “gamer” ..

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  184. Because this public face of yours is so strong
    ================================

    Don’t get the wrong impression, I’m no prude…lol! I just wouldn’t waste my charms on an American man. Russian-only entrance here.
    Only my Russian husband-to-be gets to “fuck me for free”. He needs to be satisfied 6+ times a day, every day, and he gets angry if his quota isn’t met…..he is a god…..Russians have STAMINA. An American would have to swill Viagra to do what my Russian can naturally do. I have noooooooooooo reason to want:

    a dude to just storm into your life and break all your rules, fuck you for free and get away before sunrise …

    My Russian boy has set the bar too high, if a man can’t match his Olympic marathon-level virility/endurance then I wouldn’t want him. And from what my skanky friends tell me, the average American man blows a load then falls asleep. Or fucks for an hour and goes limp. Do. not. want.

    Just by virtue of being Russian and ubermacho and unbelievably virile, he is alpha. A Russian beta (is there such a thing) would still be preferable to an American alpha.
    I would glowingly recommend Russian men to American girls….except most Russian men wouldn’t touch the average American girl.

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  185. on November 12, 2009 at 4:35 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””Cecilia,
    Only my Russian husband-to-be gets to “fuck me for free”. He needs to be satisfied 6+ times a day, every day, and he gets angry if his quota isn’t met…..he is a god…..Russians have STAMINA. An American would have to swill Viagra to do what my Russian can naturally do. I have noooooooooooo reason to want:”””””””””’

    So your looking for attention but you fucked up on the he gets angry if his qouta isn’t met. Did he go limp?
    Why would he get angry if hes not fucking you 6 times?
    Only one who could stop him from fucking 6 times would be himself. Does he hit himself when angry?
    Or do you get tired and lay there?
    If so shouldn’t he just be able to pick you up like a ragdoll and jack off with your limp body?

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  186. Because this public face of yours is so strong, any man who openly appears to be a cad will get filtered
    ============================================

    I took it a step further and screened for extroverts/drinkers/smokers. That eliminates 98% of the players right there.
    Oh, and Scorpios. Screen for Scorpios.

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  187. on November 12, 2009 at 4:37 am gunslingergregi

    Or just keep fucking you from behind until he gives you that concussion or broken hip for christmas.

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  188. on November 12, 2009 at 4:42 am gunslingergregi

    Oh and who is fucking you for money lol

    On a serious note if the dude really fucking you 6 times a day for lets say a year yea that would be an accomplishment although I don’t think you would have time to sleep if you worked at all.

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  189. So your looking for attention but you fucked up on the he gets angry if his qouta isn’t met. Did he go limp?
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    He never goes limp. 🙂

    Only one who could stop him from fucking 6 times would be himself.
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    Or the responsibilities of life. Like work, school, etc.

    Why would he get angry if hes not fucking you 6 times?
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    He has a very demanding insatiable peen.

    Or do you get tired and lay there?
    If so shouldn’t he just be able to pick you up like a ragdoll and jack off with your limp body?
    ========================================

    If he did I wouldn’t mind.

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  190. On a serious note if the dude really fucking you 6 times a day for lets say a year yea that would be an accomplishment although I don’t think you would have time to sleep if you worked at all.
    ============================================

    6 orgasms don’t take up much time for him. He cums fast, but frequently. His recharge time is like, not even human.

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  191. on November 12, 2009 at 5:02 am gunslingergregi

    You had me thinking at least 12 hours of fuck rest cycles. Cumming fast pfft

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  192. on November 12, 2009 at 5:10 am gunslingergregi

    Well as long as you think he is a god that is all that matters but yea american guys can hang too. Good challenge thrown broke it down to facts in 5 posts not bad.

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  193. I’ve never heard of an American man who can cum 6 times in a row and still be rock hard.

    I guess our criteria for what makes a man a god in bed differ. I would think that making a man cum several times in one hour is more impressive than once in one hour.

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  194. on November 12, 2009 at 5:40 am gunslingergregi

    I suppose if there was a horde of barbarians coming and you had no time the sperm delivery could be something that might help with reproduction.

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  195. on November 12, 2009 at 5:54 am msexceptiontotherule

    Gunz: oh for christsake, isn’t it possible for people to just put some aside and have it frozen until there’s more time and the barbarian hordes have gone back to their scientology religious compound?

    Ew. I just thought of Tom Cruise and the rumor that he impregnated Katie Holmes with L.Ron Hubbard’s frozen sperm. Eeeewwww.. I think I have to go vomit now, I’ll be back when I’ve managed to purge that information from my memory and brush my teeth.

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  196. on November 12, 2009 at 6:03 am gunslingergregi

    I don’t think they have that technology in russia so probably not.

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  197. on November 12, 2009 at 6:13 am msexceptiontotherule

    Are you kidding, the whole region is frozen solid for all but 3-4 months out of the year! It’s why Napoleon and Hitler (though the latter got further than his predecessor) failed in their attempt to conquer that godforsaken country.

    Besides, Tom Cruise can use the power of his mind to give anyone he wants whatever technology exists in his Leader’s sci-fi books (if it’s in a book by L. Ron Hubbard, it must be true?). I’m sure he wouldn’t have a problem with giving frozen sperm storage technology to the Russians.

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  198. on November 12, 2009 at 6:30 am msexceptiontotherule

    If it weren’t a matter of necessity, I wouldn’t see any reason to bother marching into Russia or the surrounding territories whose government leaders are praying as we speak that Russia doesn’t get all crazy again and forcibly assimilate them all. Bad Russia, they must be pretending they’re English again. I shouldn’t have to remind everyone of all of the “colonies” England fought tooth and nail against giving back to the original owners. They stick a flag somewhere, and that makes it their property from then on.

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  199. In a close race, the winner of the “typical female delusions” contest is…

    Cecilia.

    Congratulations.

    Either you’re fucking a guy who isn’t a human (maybe he’s a chinchilla or rabbit), you’ve got no idea how often you actually have sex or you’re making this up.

    No human male is fucking you 6 times per day to climax for an hour each act on a daily basis.

    No, you’re boyfriend isn’t magical; go back to reading Twilight.

    Runners up:

    lovelysexybeauty – for (1) dreaming about what to do if multiple alphas were interested in her and (2) this post:

    lovelysexybeauty

    Also, I hope everyone believes in a little forgiveness. If a guy is Beta and learns to be more Alpha, it’s nice to forgive him for his past and focus on who he is now. If a girl messed up in the past and learned her lesson, and is a better woman now truly within her heart… shouldn’t she get some slack cut too?

    where a girl can be born again in virtue. Another expression of female “have cake, eat it too” philosophy.

    alias clio –

    For missing the entire point of the male 3 date rule. Yes, a woman can sleep with a man she’s not into for some other reason but a woman these days will never refuse to sleep with a man she is into. If you don’t want to marry a woman who sees you as a paycheck make sure she’s into you. Yes, this is a very real danger for a man.

    chic noir –

    Disqualified for being far beyond any other competitors in the contest.

    msexceptiontotherule –

    Nominated just for the name*. Perfect embodiment of the most typical female delusion of them all.

    Honorable mention –

    lurker – for arguing about a historical fact and failing to google before digging in further. Gotta say that this nomination hurts; he’s usually far more correct (if not more sane) than the people with whom he argues politics on threads here.

    *If the name is meant ironically, then the nomination is withdrawn.

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  200. on November 12, 2009 at 7:21 am gunslingergregi

    Steve she might be an exception I about blew a braincell and couldn’t come up with a retort on that russian stuff.

    In my defense I have been awake for 24 hours but we all know about excuses.

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  201. Game for girls is a perfect illustration of female irrationality. It will fail systematically (women can´t help but be attracted by bad boy behaviour), women will be happy in failure (they would still get banged by the same guys) and, last but not least , game for girls gives them a rationalization of their youth behaviour once they cross the 30 Rubicon and disappear from the sexual market

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  202. @ guns

    try to sleep 6-8 hours a day. In the last weeks, your writing reached luciferesque levels of understandability

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  203. The problem with many Girl Game approaches is that their ultimate objective is unclear.

    For men, Game is basically about banging as many hot girls as possible, and if desired, finding a gem to marry. There you go. A well defined objective. Man Game tailored toward meeting this objectuive is then developed.

    But girls have to unconfuse themselves with regards to what they want. And anappropriately tailred GirlGame must then be followed.

    So, do they want to:

    (1) turbocharge their ride on the cock carousel from menarche to menapause? GirGame says:

    – be good looking
    – amp up the shit tests and bitch shields
    – to punch above your attractiveness class, use ancient female wiles to make yourself more mysterious and desireable to men
    – become a she-lawyer to take care of material needs of an unmarreiod woman and pay for the cost of IVFs.

    (2) Avoid heartbreakig entanglements with hot cads and fnd a suitable provider-alpha for a lifelong partner? GirlGame says:

    – be good looking
    – read Jane Austin and/or be part of a traditional community
    – to punch above your attractiveness class, use ancient female wiles to make yourself more mysterious and desireable to men.

    (3) Slut it up menarche to 28, and then find a provider beta / fooled-alpha for a lifelong partner? GirlGame says:

    – be good looking
    – follow the Girl Game of (1) above, but go the extra mile in concealing your dirty girl past.

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  204. LSB:
    “Also, I hope everyone believes in a little forgiveness. If a guy is Beta and learns to be more Alpha, it’s nice to forgive him for his past and focus on who he is now. If a girl messed up in the past and learned her lesson, and is a better woman now truly within her heart… shouldn’t she get some slack cut too? (I’m sure the last part is unpopular compared to the first… double standard of course) Even though I’ve been good, I feel bad to judge those who didn’t have the same strength behind them… who were similarly blessed. They’re judged just as badly as me”

    -Sorry, once a slut, always a slut. There is no going back. It is not the same for men and it never will be and woman have got to keep their legs closed and be picky. Doesn’t matter though, because most women lie about how many guys they’ve slept with, especially if the number is high, because deep down they know that they will always be judged by men, other women and society at large….as they should be.

    Sleeping around is a permanent way to lower your value as a woman.

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  205. girl enter the nightclub. she sees the guys there. she identifies the alpha though body language and social circle. she wants the alpha. case closed. game didn´t enter the equation

    guy enters the nightclub. he sees several girls above his attractiveness threshold. he uses all the game stuff to hit on them, eventually number/kiss closing one or more. without game, no kiss, no number

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  206. PA:

    Number 3 is the most common type, in my experience.

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  207. If it weren’t a matter of necessity, I wouldn’t see any reason to bother marching into Russia or the surrounding territories whose government

    this is a highly sophisticated blog. Where else you could wake up in morning and read a compelling case for invading Russia

    I suggest that once the Russkies are finished, commenters should work on a war plan for an amphibious assault on Japan

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  208. on November 12, 2009 at 8:59 am Cannon's Canon

    “he sees several girls above his attractiveness threshold.”

    sounds like inventories are full. i see a boom quarter on the horizon.

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  209. sounds like inventories are full.

    I don´t party in warehouses.

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  210. cannon

    My call that the US would grow at 3% or above in 3Q09 was given in september and was proven correct. By remembering my successes and massaging my gigantic ego, are you trying to get yourself into my good graces again ??

    If I remember correctly, I taught you how to google “google” the last time we talked here

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  211. @aliasclio

    Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy, or insisting that no woman is special enough to wait for, are “shaming tactics” used by player men and by sexually active women to bring other women into line.

    TRUE… hadn’t thought of it from that angle. I always knew that people who react strongly to someone who doesn’t indulge in some vice (drinking or s*xing or whatever) have personal issues to deal with, and need to ask *themselves* why my ability to abstain bothers them so much.

    Jealous B*tches are so harmful….grrr hate them. lol

    @Gunslingregi
    Mm… good question. But I want to share something I noticed about myself:

    I had very little exposure to guys in general growing up. Super strict family, don’t even TALK to boys unless it’s about school, etc.

    Strict atmosphere + major shyness meant that any time a guy would try to talk to me… I would close up and run away. I was afraid of my Dad and of getting in trouble… ruining my good reputation in the community (South Asians and Middle Easterners know what I mean).

    So when I started to open up a little, guess what? EVERY GUY LOOKED HOT. If I made eye contact with boy, or we shared a smile… my heart would jump. If we talked and he made me laugh? And our fingers brushed? I dreamed of a thousand loves.

    Because of my limited contact with men, exposure to any type of maleness was enough to make me feel something like love.

    Only over time and getting to know different types of guys, I developed choosiness.

    I think it will be similar when I give it up physically. I feel desire, LOTS.

    Even here, a lot of guys have brought up that hitting the high pleasure points for a woman is more psychological – how does she feel for the man.

    In college a lot of girls would say guys liked virgins because they were easier to control in bed (meaning, the guys could train the girls to do what they liked).

    Basically, I’m not worried. I’ve held back this long… it’s gonna be soooo good. I can’t imagine not wanting it lots and lots and lots. And now I know that if I don’t wanna end up like Mrs. TA from yesterday’s post, I better keep a husband satisfied in every way. (This is not a new idea, it’s in most major religious teachings too.)

    @Steve Johnson

    Curious, what’s your exposure and experience with cultures that more effectively enforce female chastity (Islam, Mormons, etc.)?

    Not sure if you think it’s impossible for women to abstain before marriage. If so, it’s probably because you haven’t been around those cultures enough. People from those cultures in the USA tend to enforce the same rules.

    And as clio brought up, women have the decision-making ability to hold back as well.

    Also @5th Horseman
    Thanks for the perspective. But I think evaluating the outliers in any argument can test whether the ideas hold.

    What about my thought that as Game becomes pervasive among men, with even marriage-minded men, it could happen that lots of girls have multiple Alphas after them?

    If 75% of men became Alpha (or high Beta because they want to marry). And let’s say only 25% of women are above 7 in looks + good feminine personality + virgins.

    Won’t a lot of high Betas/low Alphas cluster around them?

    *More a thought exercise… *

    I’m trying to understand what’s happened around me. I’m sure you know how strict the most extremist of Desi parents can be… and I don’t find it hard to meet guys I’ve liked and felt tingly about. So am I pretty satisfied with who asks me out because I just haven’t been around diff. types of men enough, so I’m extra tingly to all men? PLEASE NOTE that I have never acted on those tingles, OK. Anyone who thinks it’s impossible to not act on tingles is ignorant of different cultures (and decision-making ability in women).

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  212. Steve Johnson,
    but a woman these days will never refuse to sleep with a man she is into

    Your experience of women is narrow. In any case, I didn’t miss this point. I mentioned it in my comment. Indeed, the purpose of my comment was to suggest that these ideas, coming from a would-be liberal source like HuffPost, are perhaps – perhaps, I said – the signs of the start of a cultural shift.

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  213. @PA

    That’s an interesting breakdown… pretty good. Hm…

    @anoukange

    Agreed. Women are just not biologically wired to be promiscuous. Women who sl*t it up are going to encourage their own mental instability (when they can’t handle the emotions that come up), and they are just indulging in thrill-seeking behavior which will just lead to short time “highs” but long-term depression or worse.

    My compassionate side just feels for those that genuinely repent though… like Mrs. TA from the other thread. Fine, she messed up, she’s pressured a guy to marry her, she’s been a poor wife… should she get a second chance if she’s willing to change though?

    I mean, I am judged so much for my decisions to not indulge and actually follow my principles, and like others have to hide the truth and act more “American” in order to fit in. If I wasn’t so strong and had the situational stuff I have, I could have easily bought into the hype too.

    I don’t think women should lie about their s*xual histories, and the guys out there with high partners count would probably make the best match for these women. It’s complicated… this is more of spiritual type of judgment than anything.

    If a murderer repents, he should pay his dues (maybe even be executed). But spiritually he’s done what he could. If a sl*t repents, she’ll have to pay her dues (maybe end up all alone), but spiritually hopefully she’ll find peace with having made bad decisions in the past. And try to teach the next generation to not be like her.

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  214. on November 12, 2009 at 9:31 am Cannon's Canon

    gig:
    “are you trying to get yourself into my good graces again ??”

    “What could be better than hearing from the man who just told you he didn’t want you in his life anymore, his sad, wistful, ‘I miss you so much’ voice on the other end of the phone? It’s validating. It’s exciting. It’s irresistible. But resist you must.”

    girl game is bullshit; embrace my affection.

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  215. Also, I’m sort of glad I can come to places like this and realize having morals and not sl*tting it up is OK.

    Oh if I shared the tests guys give to try to see if you are genuine about it… even with the Guy… they do try to act like, “There’s nothing wrong with it… all girls do it… it’s hot… it’s normal…My ex-gf…I can’t imagine being with a girl who didn’t…”

    I CRIED so hard when my Guy pushed these tests on me … I genuinely thought he was one of the guys who can’t wait until marriage (like a Tupac or maurice or etc.) 😦 I told him I’m not the right girl for him then, I haven’t done those things. Fortunately he accepted me as i am and RESPECTS my decision today… Yay I am special loll 🙂

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  216. The Sex & the City movie (I never saw the TV show) kind of showed the four different female mating strategies.

    Samantha: alpha cock carousel menarch to menapause (and beyond?)

    Charlotte: good girl (relatively speaking) who snags a provider-beta

    The Horrid Redhead that still Gives me Nightmares: bad girl who snags a provider-beta

    Carrie: bad girl who snags a provider-alpha

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  217. on November 12, 2009 at 9:50 am Cannon's Canon

    magician lover warrior queen

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  218. Or was Carrie a good girl? someone told me that she had a few LTRs, not really a samantha-like carousel ride.

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  219. PA I judged Carrie to be a good girl, but mostly because of her voice overs – she came off as very sweet and genuine in her character. Her actions might be interpreted differently.

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  220. No, no, no PA.

    I watched SATC only occasionally because I found it so depressing, but I can tell you this much: first, all four women were “bad girls”, having made a conscious decision – it occurred in the first episode/s – to “have sex like men”, i.e. to learn to do so without emotional trauma or drama. The show was the story of how that worked out for them. Only Samantha was at all successful, and only at the price of enduring a good deal of humiliation and absurdity in her love life.

    Carrie: yes, she snagged a provider alpha, rejecting a commitment-phobe alpha for him

    Red-head: probably the least bad of the born-again bad girls because she worked too hard to have time for it. And yes, she got a provider-beta, who wasn’t much of a provider because he was poor.

    Samantha: She won a non-provider alpha – a handsome boy-toy who really loved her. But I think she’s supposed to have thrown him away by the time of the movie, which I never saw.

    Charlotte: Her story was the most interesting, in a way. In the show, she married a handsome man who appeared to be a provider-alpha but wouldn’t have sex and who made her miserable. So she then married another provider-alpha who was plug-ugly and looked like a beta, but who was forceful, dominant, and loving.

    As I said, I don’t know how these stories played out in the movie, but that’s how the women ended up in the series.

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  221. “good girl”? carrie should have been dragged out of her apartment and pelted to death with all of her shoes and then set on fire for cheating on aidan with big. she EXEMPLIFIED the alpha chasing whore

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  222. ladies and gentlemen

    i submit the ultimate beta male

    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-guys-real-punching-bag.html

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  223. Clio:

    Steve Johnson,
    but a woman these days will never refuse to sleep with a man she is into

    Your experience of women is narrow. In any case, I didn’t miss this point. I mentioned it in my comment. Indeed, the purpose of my comment was to suggest that these ideas, coming from a would-be liberal source like HuffPost, are perhaps – perhaps, I said – the signs of the start of a cultural shift.

    You just shot your argument in the foot. If indeed these ideas in the HuffPost are “signs of the start of a cultural shift [toward chastity]” then the implication is that the culture *up to this point* was NOT chaste, but in fact promiscuous, so that women *in the main* DO sleep with men they are attracted to relatively quickly, and therefore your accusation that Steve’s experience with women is “narrow” is false — unless you define “narrow” so broadly as to mean “everything but the 5% of outliers”.

    In other words, we men here are concerning ourselves — as a practical matter — with the state of the culture as it exists in actuality, regardless of outliers. We are not much concerned with the distant past which holds little of practical use.

    But thanks for the history lesson anyway.

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  224. Gosh, Tupac. Read my posts. I’m not contradicting myself. Steve Johnson is right – for the society in which he lives. But there are many women around the world who practise sexual restraint. And I do think it’s possible that there’s a cultural shift in the making.

    As I’ve said in the comments I left in this thread.

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  225. Clio, yes there are women as you have described. Mostly in other parts of the world. But in the Anglosphere, a good way for a man to bet is to assume that a woman has at some time or another slept with a man within 3 dates. If he allows himself to be the one whom she makes wait for more than three dates, the odds are good she has slotted him in the “Provider” category, not the “Lover” category.
    This means fundamentally he does not have sufficient psychosexual dominance over her, and in today’s day and age, it makes him a potential cuckold and divorce-theft victim.

    Of course, if the man is a Player, then he needn’t worry, as Roissy points out. He will have other women to occupy his time, until the day comes when the woman relents and he gets what he wants — before moving on. I’ve done it before myself — basically “playing at being provider beta” long enough to slip under her radar. The reason I end up leaving them is because I consider her actions to be an affront to my manhood, for the reasons given above.

    If I had any inclinations towards a long-term exclusive relationship with a woman, those feelings would disappear if I felt the woman was able to control herself too much around me. It means she hasn’t submitted enough to me. Makes her a poor prospect for marriage, IMO.

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  226. Thanks, very informative stuff here.
    Keep it up

    Tom

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  227. carrie should have been dragged out of her apartment and pelted to death with all of her shoes and then set on fire for cheating on aidan with big. she EXEMPLIFIED the alpha chasing whore

    I´d bang this Carry and then, when Dana and the peasants were about to burn her at the stake, I´d turn my back and search for the nearest coffee shop to sip an expresso

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  228. I consider her actions to be an affront to my manhood

    the only time girls “affront my manhood” is when I discover the following day that I slept with a creature much uglier than previously thought

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  229. Shidoshi

    The biggest problem with so-called “girl game” is it’s inherently self-defeating because the more a woman senses that she can control you with rules, the less attracted to you she will be.

    No.

    Most of the girlgame girls are pretty fem. They’re down bitches. They write about cooking even. A girlgamer won’t cook for a guy she disrespects, even if it’s throwing some Dinty Moore in a crock.

    You’re confusing how much a female is attracted to a particular guy based on how effective his game is. And then, if this ‘game’ wavers, she subsequently follows with lowered attraction to him. Most of them have hot bfs that drew them in by physical looks, so even if they led the guys around by the nose, the girls will still be attracted. You’ll have to wait until they all hit 30 to press that personality solely=attraction button. Around the time most divorces occur.

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  230. Tupac

    If I had any inclinations towards a long-term exclusive relationship with a woman, those feelings would disappear if I felt the woman was able to control herself too much around me. It means she hasn’t submitted enough to me. Makes her a poor prospect for marriage, IMO.

    You and I share that emotional response.

    I don’t share the emotional response that a lot of guys have regarding purity.

    Apparently there is a genetic correlate to these emotional biases. Some people have a gene that makes them view purity as much higher ranking value than do guys like me. That same gene makes them view social conformity and respect for authority as a higher ranking moral value. I have no respect for authority or social conformity, and very little interest in sexual purity.

    I usually bed the girl on the first date. I think the max I’ve waited is five, which is (or was 10 years ago) the US national average wait.

    A girl who could resist me would simply not interest me. Not for dating, not for marriage, not for anything. Pure girls bore me. They insult me. Yes, they do insult my manhood. I despise chastity, and view it as the ultimate form of gold diggery. Make me pay with my entire life for your pussy?! As if. No girl is that much of a precious Cinderella.

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  231. Dana and The Peasants

    i finally have a name for my garage band in 1965. thanks

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  232. @xsplat

    so do you want to get married? (not to me) 😉

    and how do you feel about women who always make it easy for you? is your interest lost quickly for them or is it all a game where you use them for the momentary thrill and spit’m out? just curious. most men wouldn’t want a woman who is easy(first date)…if all of your “women” are putting out too easy doesnt that concern you about what they’ve done w/other dudes? health reasons,etc.

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  233. on November 12, 2009 at 2:20 pm Wendy Schwartz

    this article is really no good. Much like when you guys say “never trust a woman to know what a woman wants”…..you can’t trust a man to know what a man wants, either.

    Women aren’t “using your playbook”….we have always known to ignore and mock men to get them to fall at our feet. That’s where “playing hard to get” came from.

    I have my own rules, of course, but this would be a REALLY long game because we naturally know that ONLY desperate girls answer every text, pick up incoming calls, or return a voicemail message!! Women should NEVER EVER make ANY effort to approach a man, call him back, text him back more than once for every 3-5 texts he send YOU first….etc. This is something I think most of us have always known, employed, and used since phone calls existed.

    I have found that even when you go extreme and don’t answer him AT ALL….he’ll usually “give up” for awhile and not text/call/contact you (maybe while he’s dating some other chick or whatever the case….) and then will STILL come back and start trying all over again after a short period of time. We already know this, PLEASE don’t attempt to advise the Ladies….that’s how we’ve always kept the sexual upperhand (and as long as you gentlemen continue to be obsessed with sex and your dicks) always WILL have the upperhand!!!!

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  234. Best post ever at Huffington Post:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/therese-borchard/trash-night-what-about-se_b_242213.html

    It reads like it was written by an angry, bitter man creating an over-the-top caricature of the worst woman in the world. But it’s real, and she had no idea what horrible things about herself she was revealing.

    And this woman gives marriage advice for money. I’m surprised her husband wasn’t nominated for Beta of the Month.

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  235. aliasclio–

    Meanwhile, there really isn’t anything manipulative about women who want a lifetime mate trying to screen out men who aren’t interested in becoming one. Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy, or insisting that no woman is special enough to wait for, are “shaming tactics” used by player men and by sexually active women to bring other women into line.

    Such realizations are very difficult for individual girls to come to or really remain convinced of on their own. Most people need an ideology or worldview backing up such thoughts. E.g. a religion, that’s sufficiently savvy as well on secular reasons to follow this path in our secular society and age. But it could be a secular movement as well.

    Really this path points towards early marriage. Why would a girl want to long delay it if she’s not going to enjoy the fruits of parlaying her peak attractiveness period, her early twenties, into mad rounds of flirtation sometimes yielding up to temptation?

    Having more hot girls choose this path would suit many alphas just fine. There’d still be girls going down the “female stud” and party girl route to suit their catting around 20s and early thirties. But there’d be more good girls to marry and actually stay married to when he’s 36 and she’s 24, and if not virginal, with only one or two long sexual relationships in her past.

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  236. I’m usually pretty indifferent to Roissy’s various depravities, but this time I think he’s gone too far.

    That looks suspiciously like …… a mullet.

    Dear god, have you no decency?

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  237. Caramel asked:
    so do you want to get married? (not to me) 😉
    no
    and how do you feel about women who always make it easy for you? is your interest lost quickly for them
    no
    or is it all a game where you use them for the momentary thrill and spit’m out?
    no
    if all of your “women” are putting out too easy doesnt that concern you about what they’ve done w/other dudes? health reasons,etc.
    no

    Health reasons is a bogus concern. I use a condom until I go with them to the clinic and get us both tested. If I think she’s high risk and not monogamous, I’ll use a condom with her while dating.

    People take much bigger risks daily than sexual risks. Risk is always versus benefit. I don’t jump out of airplanes, scubadive, box, or do addictive drugs – prescription or otherwise. But such risks are understood and condoned by society. My risks are understood and condoned by me.

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  238. Fred,

    (from the article):

    “This, right here, could very well replace trash night,” said my friend with a spoonful of chocolate mousse in her mouth.

    Kinda says it all doesn’t it?

    clio,

    The problem is that you can’t get there from here (in a gradual fashion).

    Men are reasonably worried that women will replace their sex drives with chocolate mousse drives after marriage. The man defense? Well, #1 is DON’T GET MARRIED but failing that, make sure she’s really can’t control herself into you.

    Women who want to have quality men commit to them will have a hard time convincing those men that they’re one of the (now) rare chase women as opposed to an ex-slut who feels her clock ticking. As a result, they’ll lose out to sluttier girls even if the sluttier girls never get a commitment (fewer men will marry or they will marry with women significantly younger which will leave more men than women married in older age groups).

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  239. That looks suspiciously like …… a mullet.

    even worse. it was a ponytail.

    a little one. like a fluffy hamster.

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  240. on November 12, 2009 at 2:49 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I do agree that women that are virgins are smarter, but only if they STAY virgins for life.

    The minute you let a man so much as touch you, you lose energy, beauty, intellect, and everything that you were formerly able to logically and rationally deduct. The moment you allow “the dick” to come into play…..you’re fucked.

    Seriously I think all girls/women should ONLY have sex if they decide they want a baby (but really insemination is the way to go for that)

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  241. on November 12, 2009 at 2:56 pm Wendy Schwartz

    dana
    “good girl”? carrie should have been dragged out of her apartment and pelted to death with all of her shoes and then set on fire for cheating on aidan with big. she EXEMPLIFIED the alpha chasing whore

    Oh Christ, I see you are still jumping in and randomly talking shit on women who have the ABILITY and LOOKS to attract more than ONE man in their lifetime.

    Everyone knows that only a woman of about a deuce and a half (250lbs or over) who is ugly, toothless, and likely to be over 40 years old would look down on a woman for “upgrading” to a better man.

    What woman picks a dude, never sleeps with anyone else, and doesn’t upgrade to a better model every 1 to 2 years??

    Fat chicks, that’s who.

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  242. Fred

    Best post ever at Huffington Post:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/therese-borchard/trash-night-what-about-se_b_242213.html

    The Horror.

    Thank god or Dagon or Jimbus or wtf his/her name is I chose to use my education for evil – in lieu of being the stereotypical, urbane sophisticate burdened by a life sentence to a snappy, cellulite-ravaged East Coast English Degree Bitch with a penchant for divulging her withered sexlife online.

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  243. Chic; Ruby —

    Tupac Chopra — When Obsidians attack:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/prof_busted_in_columbia_gal_punch_JmsXQ3NzaAt8uG6uUySGTN

    @Ruby –

    Would you be willing to decry the same behavior from Joe Francis under his circumstances?
    http://www.rooshv.com/idiot-model-gets-taught-an-important-lesson

    Joe Franacis pulled the girl’s hair after she poured a drink on him. (Though I did say on that thead that he should have throw a drink in her face instead.) Tupac’s black prof punched a female university co-worker hard in the face, bruising her. Over a verbal disagreement. The black Columbia prof. punched a nearby guy too, who had tried to warn him off getting physical with the woman, for also not doing enough about “white privilege”. From Tupac’s link:

    “He knocked the glasses right off my face,” said the man, who would only give his first name as “Shannon.” “The punch came out of nowhere. Mac was talking to us about white privilege and what I was doing about it — apparently I wasn’t doing enough.”

    The irony here is, Tupac’s NY Post article link demoed this professor’s pervasive feeling of black privilege. Much like the Henry Louis Gates incident with that cop with an exemplary record in Cambridge.

    It showed the laughability of both black prof’s self righteous insistence that “white privilege” is pervasive. Rather black privilege is what’s pervasive now, particularly in elite or semi elite settings, including Universities. There’s also big female privilege as well, as Chic is expressing. No white male professor would have slugged a female co-worker for dismissing some rant of his, or certainly wouldn’t with the same feeling of rightful immunity from consequences.

    Claims of current white privilege are horseshiite. The reverse is true. (The same is true about claims of male privilege that we still hear. ) It’s just another cover and delusion, like “institutional racism”, for general black lagging performance overall (with individual exceptions of course), outside of sports and entertainment.

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  244. unlearning genius–

    This is the thing though .. Its that whole natural song and dance thing .. although you can cognitively deal with the Madonna/whore complex .. it is still there lurking behind .. we are programmed to value sexual inexperience in women .. and smart women know how to push these buttons …. I would like to think I am completely over my M/W, but truth be told .. it is still there and it will always be there .. just have to work around it i suppose.

    There’s one side of the Madonna/whore thing that’s good to get over, and another that’s important not to.

    You want to get over the belief, or deeply engrained feeling, that good girls shouldn’t be treated in a rawly sexual way once they are attracted to you, and sufficiently intimate with you. They want to be treated like whores, your own personal private whore, or will if you can convince them (and yourself) that you’ll still love and respect them in the morning. This is profoundly and totally true. Yes there are some women with much lower sex drives, but that is a different thing (and something to avoid for any reasonably sexed man).

    You don’t want to buy the teachings of feminists and sluts that sluts can love just as deeply and loyally as Madonnas, and are always and inherently much more fun in bed. Sluts can’t because their bonding mechanism has been worn out. Of course there’s individual variation in that, but that’s the strong tendency. As well they’re more jaded generally; innocent and fresh and not words we’d use for them.

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  245. @doug
    heh, your insight into women never ceases to amaze.

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  246. LSB–

    If a guy is Beta and learns to be more Alpha, it’s nice to forgive him for his past and focus on who he is now. If a girl messed up in the past and learned her lesson, and is a better woman now truly within her heart… shouldn’t she get some slack cut too?

    If you’re talking about a girl in a traditional culture messing up and ceasing to be a virgin, but without in anyway slutting out – then I think the answer is yes. In fact that is how the cultural relaxation of the virgin imperative felt by most men happened culturally in Britain and this country, first among the elites.

    If you’re talking about a girl having gone pretty slutty, with a sizable number count, or probably ironically in some ways just having fallen deeply in love with an alpha or worse two before and having had only them, then I’m afraid it rarely works. She’ll never be able to feel a truly deep, gut level, compelling, swept off her feet, love again.

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  247. That’s OK Maurice. The Wendy Schwartz Show is back on!

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  248. The minute you let a man so much as touch you, you lose

    reading Wendy Schwartz’s nonsensical blather reminds me of something from 1984:

    “We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”

    that’s the future we’re headed for if the voices of the radical left hold sway. and it won’t be pretty.

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  249. i guess the exchange above means that the tupac and clio show (actually, all tupac), such as it was, is now over. *sigh*

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  250. yeah i just commented on that on the other thread. The Tupac show was inimitable, one of a kind. Very inspirational.

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  251. Maurice, I might yet be inspired if Clio shows us a little skin.

    (Come on baby, give daddy some sugar)

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  252. on November 12, 2009 at 3:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    maurice, if you get tired of the tupac show, you could always just watch some Entourage reruns!

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  253. @cannon- We gonna go back there again, eh? Entourage is awesome – shallow but fun. Loved season 5 (how could you not guffaw at Ari Gold firing people with his paint gun?) and will keep watching in future seasons.

    @tupac- you know it’s far from her style, but hey – hope springs eternal. She did mention something about posting younger pics – would that do it?

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  254. on November 12, 2009 at 4:05 pm Cannon's Canon

    “how could you not guffaw at Ari Gold firing people with his paint gun?”

    probably because i am not a married 45 year old beta male with annual frat dues and a ‘lax office setting

    did that to me, i’d bust his dome… ESPECIALLY if i was already fired. bunch of slack-jawed faggots on that chopper…

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  255. ah, relax, it’s TV comedy, not real life. i’d probably clock any dude that did that to me as well, but it was fun to watch.

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  256. on November 12, 2009 at 4:41 pm Cannon's Canon

    no worries, maurice

    i can’t even watch Dexter without yelling at the tv about how much better a serial killer i’d make

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  257. never got into Dexter. it’s on my list to Netflix the back seasons, though. People really like it. I always think of him as the gay funeral guy on “Six Feet Under.”

    I watched a few episodes of “Californication” – mixed reaction. Duchovny has always annoyed me, and he’s playing himself in that sense – smug, entitled, too-cool-for-school. So I kinda want to punch him after some of the lines and behaviors. But the game stuff, watching women fall for the dumbest shit, is pretty entertaining, as is the portrait of Hollywood decadence and self-absorbtion. Not sure I like it yet, but I didn’t hate it as I thought I might.

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  258. on November 12, 2009 at 6:00 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””gig
    @ guns

    try to sleep 6-8 hours a day. In the last weeks, your writing reached luciferesque levels of understandability
    ”””””’

    wtf and after me and el chief had talked about setting up a foundation and proving some hypothesis.

    Dude I am field testing some shit and giving the info back from deep in the hood.

    Or that I am attempting to prove that their is at least one good woman who can keep her word.

    Don’t hate he he he

    ps I can’t help that I always have an e chick.

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  259. on November 12, 2009 at 6:02 pm gunslingergregi

    @Cannon,
    “Paintballs”

    lol how bout being tortured by your company for a month and a half then kidnapped and sent to us hellhole?

    I was looking up the ceo’s address.

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  260. @everyone, esp. tupac re: aliasclio
    Love’s labour’s lost? (Shakespearean game hm….)

    @xsplat
    Fascinating… any good links to the research about this “social identity and conformity” gene? I can believe it… there are genes that are supposed to predicate religiousity in some way as well.

    The biggest difference between many “western” and “eastern” cultures always brought up *emphasis on the individual vs. emphasis on the group. * Individual vs. group identity (group = family or ethnicity or country, etc.)

    The stereotypes of Asian conformity, honor killings in certain regions, close knit Mediterranean families etc. are usually for a reason, no?

    In the end we all just have to find someone who matches us. It’s all good… we all will find a type for us (hopefully 🙂 ).

    @Doug1
    What about the idea of First Love (rather, Infatuation)? The deep intense passion and rush of it? I think that can often have a far more devastating affect… especially if a girl doesn’t have balancing experiences to offset.

    So don’t know… not sure if the cultural thing should play into it. In some cultures just ONCE is bad enough to ruin a girl mentally for life… The most awful guilt and pure SHAME during fresh. year from a guy’s attempted hookup… trying for a kiss + feel up… something so “minor”…was crying for days…friends took me to counseling center… but see that guy was hotie…instantly was like he’s so cuteee… then I was like wowweee mee??… but when he actually made a move it was awful, I was like I am sooo not American, this feels horrible, what have I done, will my parents read my thoughts and know how bad I am… took years to throw that baggage away… I am still good but not ashamed by the sensual nature of my body hehe ;-). Still wish it had never happened… only want my true love to do anything with me. Oh well. (I sound so messed up and weird eeeks… thank goodness this is anon. 🙂 )

    Basically I wonder if it depends more on the individual. My thoughts aren’t developed on this one… interesting to think about though…sorry for the rambleee :-p

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  261. aliasclio:

    Complaining that withholding sex until marriage (or some other form of commitment) is bitchy, or insisting that no woman is special enough to wait for, are “shaming tactics” used by player men and by sexually active women to bring other women into line. I wish I had understood that when I was younger.

    This is very true, except that I’d say that women care far more about the opinions and pressures of other women than what any man might think. As you yourself said, the sexual behavior of the vast majority of women is determined by what they believe other women will think proper — a factor whose power and significance many people here underestimate.

    Just the other day, I came upon an interesting example of this pathological inverted slut-shaming in Dan Savage’s recent column:
    http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=2647927

    (Search for the phrase “currently engaged” to find the question I’m referring to.) Just observe how this poor girl reacts to the delusional “advice” coming from her girl friends who are chastising her for failure to slut it up.

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  262. The grover period?

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  263. Roissy wrote:
    “It is especially satisfying to game a woman so well that she chases you into bed, instead of you chasing her.”

    It is the only way to play.
    Now, how do I do quotes?

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  264. […] for in a company.   Man or woman should be learning as much about the opposite sex as they can.  Roissy, Spearhead, Girl Game are sample sites to choose […]

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  265. Just so you women know there is something called girl game: feminity.

    Though that is not a set of rules but a way of being. That is what feminism stole for you chicks and that is why no guy wants to hang around.

    Any girl who isn’t feminine is a merely a talking pair of tits and vag which loses its charm once the newness of the fucking it has worn off.

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  266. on November 13, 2009 at 5:10 am msexceptiontotherule

    wooooooooooooohoooooooooooo!!!! I was nominated for something!!! And just for the name in use on a blog!!!!

    Right now I’m celebrating by doing the “happy dance” for myself.

    Yay me!

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  267. Just so you women know there is something called girl game: feminity.

    comment of the week. beauty is not a choice, but femininity is. it is the only way for a girl to go for guys above what her status (ie beauty) would suggest

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  268. I have been meaning to add to that feminity comment. When I said it was a state of being what I meant was that it was just the way the girl is. Its not a way she consciously acts but it is in her every action, word, gesture etc.

    I suppose its the female equivalent of being alpha. And since guys can learn to become naturally alpha by consciously acting and thinking alpha they gradually become alpah until it is not an act anymore but the way they are.

    Further, being alpha is just another way of saying being a man. A man just is, same as a dog just is. But just as dogs can be trained to become pets, so men become nice guys (usually when they are young and impressionable). Hence it seems to me that when guys attempt to become more alpha they are actually not learning how to become men but unlearning how to become nice guys.

    They are starting to act how they naturally should act. Thus when women say BE YOURSELF what they truly mean is be a man as a man should be. Follow your natural desires and your natural state, which is masculine.

    By the same token, it is possible that a woman may be able to reclaim her feminity since that is her natural state of being that has been socialised out of her. If she starts to try and act and think femininely then eventually she may become feminine.

    Since I’m starting to wax philosophical I’ll add one more observation: Has anyone else noticed that alphas and feminine women are very similar to young children. You look at a young boy who loves adventure, playing with his toys, hates boredom and inaction, pulls girls hair and has a tendency to do stupid, though bold, actions without a thought for the consequences.
    An alpha is merely that boy on a large scale. His adventures are his achievements (be they business, travel, discoveries). His toys are cars, heavy machinery etc. He is always looking for something new to do (and for some seeming inaction is great mental action), he knows women are different and he treats them as such and loves their company but is not obsessed with them, and he will often do bold things (new business venture, approach a woman etc) without thinking about the possiblity of failure.

    However, somewhere along the way these little boys have their masculinity knocked out of them by society, which turns them into nice guys who are too scared, or ashamed, or confused, to be men.

    The same observations hold true with feminine women and little girls.

    All the blogs in the world can’t make up for a little field observation. If you have the chance to interact with a true feminine woman (not necessarily try to fuck her but just know her) or a true alpha (I mean a world conquerer not some player who puts pussy on a pedestal and devotes his life to chasing it) then you would know what I am talking about.

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  269. on November 16, 2009 at 9:59 pm Wendy Schwartz

    “This is very true, except that I’d say that women care far more about the opinions and pressures of other women than what any man might think. As you yourself said, the sexual behavior of the vast majority of women is determined by what they believe other women will think proper — a factor whose power and significance many people here underestimate.”

    You just proved my Women Obsess About Money and Men Obsess About Sex theory correct.

    Men don’t realize how cut-throat women ARE to keep up with the “other mothers” in having the nicest house, the prettiest kids, the hottest hubby…..and suddenly she’s murdering her husband and trying to drown the kids….

    Once you stop caring what others in your own gender think, those obsessions go away entirely.

    Take a man who is like a pittbull on a chain, never loses a fight, has gotten shot at and broken beer bottles over their head (just an example)….

    Will still crumple like a schoolgirl the moment a woman he wants shuns, denies, or rejects him. (ie: comes down to sex, yet again)…..and could easily turn into a wounded shell of man totally ready to “murder me some women” in revenge.

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  270. […] Anti-Player Counterinsurgency: Game For Women […]

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  271. […] enables you to neutralise this imbalance somewhat, and even to use it to your advantage. And in the sexual arms race, every edge you can get […]

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  272. […] tries to game Vincent. Vincent wins! 17 04 2010 Let me tell you how I doubled down on a bitch who tried to feed me a dick sandwich and ended up feeding her a fat bowl of dicks […]

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