Niceguys Lose, Nicegirls Win

The topic of this post comes via a 2014 study, so it’s possible it may have been written about already here at the Chateau. Regardless, it’s good enough to write about again and educate the newbs who are always stumbling into this coven of lovin’ and wondering with wide open eyes and whiplashed brains just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Often it is claimed by catastrophically bitter feminist cunts that men love bitches such as themselves as much as women love jerkboys. This is a bluehaired lie. And now ¡SCIENCE! has arrived on the scene to ONCE AGAIN (i will never tire of this) gorge on the CH knob and validate my anti-feminist worldview: men don’t like crazy bitches unless those crazy bitches are sexy and willing to go all the way right away. What men like when they have their choice of vixens are nicegirls. Nice, feminine, natural hair-colored girls.

Scientifically, nice (heterosexual) guys might actually finish last. A study published in Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin recently found that while men were attracted to nice-seeming women upon meeting them, women did not feel the same way about men.

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The study examined burgeoning sexual interest and the participants’ feelings on the possibility of long-term dating with their new “partners,” and how those connected to their perceptions of a personality trait the study calls “responsiveness.”

In the study, responsiveness is defined as a characteristic “that may signal to potential partners that one understands, values and supports important aspects of their self-concept and is willing to invest resources in the relationship.”

Responsiveness, AKA appeasement. To put it a nicer way: approval seeking. To put it a psychotherapeutic way: External validation. To put it a PUA way: outcome dependence.

But it’s not as important of a factor when you first meet someone, according to the study. “Our findings show that this does not necessarily hold true in an initial encounter, because a responsive potential partner may convey opposite meanings to different people,” stated Birnbaum.

Overly responsive suitors can be perceived as manipulative suitors. Have you ever been creeped out by someone trying too hard to please you? That’s your mind-body axis telling you to distrust that person. This is particularly true for women and responsive men, because women have to be more on guard for men who just want to get them in the sack fast, and will tell those women whatever they think they want to hear to win their affection. Men, in contrast, don’t have to guard against responsive women because fast sex is an equally, if not more valuably, prized achievement as a committed relationship.

The researchers found that men who perceived possible female partners as responsive found them to be “more feminine and more attractive.” Past research suggests that physical cues of femininity stimulate sexual attraction because they suggest higher estrogen levels, better overall mate quality and solid reproductive health.

Nicegirls are more feminine than crazy bitches, and men prefer feminine women. Why would men perceive nicegirls as more feminine? Maybe because those girls aren’t busting their balls for propping up the patriarchy. Also, the default posture of women toward unfamiliar men is one of neutrality bordering on contempt. The responsive nicegirl therefore stands out as a real romantic prospect in a sea of resting bitch faces. And niceness is just more estrogen-y, which looks, sounds, and smells SO MUCH BETTER to men than does the caustic testosterone-y gogrrlism of your typical urban slore.

On the other hand, women didn’t necessarily perceive a responsive man as less masculine, but they also did not find a responsive man more attractive. What’s more, when women perceived their male partner to be responsive, they were less attracted to the man.

In other words, it appeared that in an initial encounter men liked nice ladies; women thought nice guys were kind of lame.

You have to attract women before you can have a relationship with women. Jerkboy attitude is necessary if not sufficient to lock down a quality (read: hot) nicebabe. The opposite is true for women: a bitchgirl attitude will make it harder for them to find a quality man.

The second study required participants to engage with either a responsive or unresponsive person of the opposite sex, then interact with them online while detailing a current problem in their life. The goal here was to remove the potentially confounding elements of live social interaction (smiling, physical attractiveness) to see if they could isolate how much responsiveness—or niceness—played into attraction.

Again, the men in the study thought responsive and attentive women were more attractive as potential partners, while women found men with those same traits to be less desirable.

And yet every couples therapist in the degenerated West advises the opposite: that men should be MORE responsive and attentive to women. How many relationships would be saved, and lonely men and women rescued from romantic failure, if the Chateau was the only couples therapist in the world? I give and give and give, like the humanitarian I am, and yet all I get is grief from the gatekeepers of socially approved discourse. It wounds me deeply!

The third and final study presented in the paper sought to test specifically whether the mechanism by which “responsiveness” motivated individuals to pursue relationships was, in fact, sexual arousal. To do so, they replicated the second study, but added a specific measure of sexual attraction. They then found that when men found women to be responsive, it led to a heightened sexual arousal among men. That, in turn led to greater desire for a relationship.

The petaling pussy is always more enticing than the dormant pussy, all else about the pussies equal. Male arousal is primed for action when the pussy is within jizzing distance. (Female arousal is primed for action when the pussy has to close the jizzing distance.)

While the studies shed some light on why men find responsive women more sexually desirable, Birnbaum explains that researchers are still unsure why women are less sexually attracted to responsive strangers than men.

“Women may perceive a responsive stranger as less desirable for different reasons,” said Birnbaum in a press release. “Women may perceive this person as inappropriately nice and manipulative (i.e., trying to obtain sexual favors) or eager to please, perhaps even as desperate, and therefore less sexually appealing. Alternatively, women may perceive a responsive man as vulnerable and less dominant.”

All of the above, but mostly for the reason I’ve described at this blog: responsive niceguys betray a lack of romantic options, and since female desire is holistic rather than primarily visual as it is for men, a man without romantic options is very unsexy to women, who will assume his desperation is evidence of weakness and deficient character. Chicks dig non-responsive jerks because any man who can afford to be a jerk with women must have his pick of the clitter. And every woman wants to be the one who snags the man who can have any woman. Not to mention, a man successful with women will pass on his pussy-smashing genes to her sons (sexy sons hypothesis).

The hierarchy, from most romantically valuable to least romantically valuable:

  • Jerkboys (desired by all women, for sex and love, rarely dumped)
  • Nicegirls (desired by all men, for missionary sex and love, not as rare as jerkboys)
  • Bitterbitches (desired by some men, for kinky sex, if she looks hot)
  • Niceguys (desired by no women, except Wall victims, cougars, and fugs. as common as cat dander)

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Anonymous objects to one implication of this study:

Kind of disingenuous. Nice girls win IF they are attractive. When feminists or women in general complain of men liking crazy women, it’s usually in comparison to average/ugly women. I used to complain of this in high school. I used to say all the guys like the crazy/mental girls. The real issue was they liked them because they were hot. The craziness was just extra.

No doubt the crazy bitches who get a lot of men have to be very hot to compensate for their shitty personalities. But nicegirls win against bitches when matched for looks. I would bet nicegirls even win when they are one SMV point lower in looks. Bitches only “win” when they are significantly hotter and sluttier than their nicegirl competition, but since there are at least as many hot nicegirls as their are hot bitches the point is moot, and we’re back to the original conclusion: nicegirls win, bitches lose.

The one countervailing factor that bitches use to their advantage is sluttiness. Nicegirls don’t do slutty, so they will lose the men just looking for an easy lay. Bitches can compete more effectively against nicegirls by advertising their willingness to fuck without strings attached. This is a potent defensive tactic, and one reason why women are the primary slut shamers in society.





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  1. Short version: Consult the Hot Crazy chart, aka Wife Zone Chart.

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    • The hot/crazy thing is a myth. Hot women tend to be less crazy. I think you’ll find your most craziness in the average looks range.

      [CH: i think you’re right, it is something of a myth. but it’s not entirely without merit. of the crazy chicks I’ve known (intimately or otherwise) in my life, most were in the 6-8 range. one was a 3, and one was a 9. so craziness appears to me to be associated with prettiness but not drop dead hotness.]

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      • I have seen crazy across the range. And there are more average women.

        [CH: female craziness is also increasing in america, if anti-depressant use and the rise in diagnosed BPD cases are anything to go by. i wonder if craziness is related to the rise in obesity? a lot more women becoming invisible to men at a time in their lives when they should be swimming in male attention would make any woman crazy. childlessness is also correlated with craziness in women.]

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      • ” i wonder if craziness is related to the rise in obesity? a lot more women becoming invisible to men at a time in their lives when they should be swimming in male attention would make any woman crazy”

        I noticed a woman at the office, recently. Nice face, pretty but not beautiful. On the plain side, but very pleasant and kind-looking. Pretty eyes. Certainly not going to have guys banging down her door, but also shouldn’t ever be alone. There’s something mesmerizingly attractive about pretty eyes on a kind face.

        Then I looked down. Her huge belly folds over the top of her fupa. Gross. We’re not talking “pleasantly plump” or “chubby” here, this is straight up obesity. It didn’t touch her face, but it did land hugely around her entire middle. The kind of fat that permanently limits a woman, as if she loses weight she’ll still have massive deflated skin-folds where her taught, nubile waist should be.

        Two things should come of this: this woman is desperate and will take any man that will have her, and this woman knows how pretty she could have been (all women know how pretty they could be) and is deeply unhappy about how attractive she is. That man she attaches to in desperation will always be a lower quality man than she thinks she deserves.

        Which is a shame. She’s certainly angry inside, can’t legitimately blame anyone for her fatness but herself, self-blame increases her shame which increases her anger which increases her eating…. She coulda been pretty. Instead she’s untouchable.

        Also, she has a great job which is what she’s been told since a little girl is all she needs in the world. Bitter and crazy.

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      • you say she has nice eyes and a kind face. that doesn’t match up with the bitterness and anger you’re talking about.

        sounds like she’s not there yet so if she lost the weight before too much time goes by she might have a chance.

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      • If she loses weight, she’ll have skin sacks hanging off of her. She knows this.

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      • “craziness” is in the eye of the beholder.

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      • maybe, maybe not

        depends a lot on age and genetics. many people have very little or no skin sagging if they lose weight the right way. ie: weight training and high fat/protein low carb diet instead of going the cardio and low fat/protein route

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      • *depends a lot on age and genetics and diet

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      • Reminds me of a broad I work with. She’s petite, has a great, great rack, but has some folds on her midriff that detract from the entire ensemble. Her tits are so great it almost–almost–makes up for that muffin top she’s sporting.

        Face isn’t that great and she puts in zero effort in her appearance, dress. If she lost that spare tire, dolled herself up a bit, she’d move a solid 2 SMV points.

        Shame.

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      • on December 21, 2017 at 2:52 pm Obstinatus Ludificator

        if craziness is related to the rise in obesity?

        Let us not underestimate the negative endocrinological effects of obesity on women. An overdose of estrogen and its concomitant disruption of “normal” endocrine function is just as bad for females as it is for soyboys, especially the further suppression of the already small amount of testosterone they produce.

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      • Your average beta thinks hot chicks are crazy because the only hot chicks that actually (appear to) go for betas are the crazy ones.

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      • great point vfm

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    • Crazy is increasing in western females due to choice

      It’s like sending women to hell giving them so much freedom they don’t know what to do with themselves.

      The truly lost ones are the post High School innocent ones who just can’t figure out what to do… except keep up with the Kardashians

      This is why modern dating is a circus. All the naïve girls are watching the clown show.

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      • This is the reality of it. CH hit the nail pretty close to head above but there is a social context here too. In the current age gynocracy even busted chicks can act crazy and get away with it. Hence why so many of the loudest / craziest SJWs are dog ugly.

        In prior eras this women would have been batted down w/ the quickness by not only men but other hotter women. The era of the Barney Stinson (How I met your mother) Hot/Crazy scale is over. That was almost 15 years ago.

        If you time machined a girl from 2004 to right now she would likely freak the fuck out by the insanity of today’s #metoo, SJW, etc etc. Just like in 15 more years on our present course you will be begging for the halycon / glory days of 2017 where you didn’t have to register as a sex offender at birth if male. And wear a blood pressure cuff on your cock to show arousal signs so women could preemptively call the cops on you if you get aroused.

        If this sounds like science fiction think of the leaps we’ve taken from the 80–>90s–>00s until today. You WILL see something this draconian in your life time unless we destroy these fuckers soon.

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    • Even simpler: a “nice” eager-to-please guy comes across as needy, and thus does not appear as a confident provider and protector.

      A “nice” eager-to-please woman comes across as needy, and thus more likely to do whatever she needs to do to keep her man happy with her, and willing to keep her around.

      As is repeatedly noted here, men and women are different, and have different objectives. Women want dominant men, men want submissive women.

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  2. […] Niceguys Lose, Nicegirls Win […]

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  3. on December 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm Captain Obvious

    Three straight epic essays from CH.

    Would be a mighty nice day for a n00b to stumble upon Le Chateau by accident.

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  4. The amount of credentialed relationship advice that is utterly and miserably wrong is criminal. Just for shits and giggles I did a bing search on “How to make a woman happy in a relationship”.

    1. Respect her…
    2. Remove the conditions for your love…
    3. Listen to her…
    4. Don’t be a jerk…
    5. Never take her for granted…

    And it goes on and on. There isn’t a link in the top 50 results on any of the major search engines using similar queries which would lead someone to an honest or accurate portrayal of male-female attraction.

    If there were any justice at all in the universe this blog would be the number one result. It is a shame people have to blindly stumble here.

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    • How to get and keep a woman:

      1. Be attractive.
      2. Don’t be unattractive.

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      • Yeah, but what women are attracted to in men is the exact opposite of almost all mainstream relationship advice.

        Every once in a while you will see something about how a man should be confident but it is always couched in the context of also being a nice subservient beta guy.

        It is insanity that the vast majority of people with masters degrees or PhDs in counseling do not understand even the most basic principles of human nature.

        The 16 commandments of Poon should be posted on every therapists wall.

        It is like relationship advice is stuck on the Flat Earth theory.

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      • 3. Keep hitting Gronkowski on that post pattern.

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    • “The amount of credentialed relationship advice that is utterly and miserably wrong is criminal.”

      about as bad as credentialed strength-training advice

      I see programs that make me shake my head

      most ppl really don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about anymore

      ur better off just reading old books and listening to ur fucking grandfather

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      • That is the trade-off with the internet. You have an infinite amount of information at your fingertips and a wealth of knowledge unprecedented in human history. But you sometimes have to scroll through a thousand miles of shit before you find what you are looking for.

        The nice thing is once you finally get on the right track it snowballs.

        Of course when you get on the wrong track that snowballs too.

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      • Two crankjobs talkin to each other, would ya look at that

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      • meet or shut the fuck up. tired of these gay ass nigguhs following me around.

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      • “The amount of credentialed relationship advice that is utterly and miserably wrong is criminal.”

        about as bad as credentialed strength-training advice

        Yes. Terrible relationship advice. Terrible exercise advice. Terrible dieting advice. It’s like we live in the Age of Official Bullshit.

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    • on December 21, 2017 at 1:52 pm Enfant Terrible

      Lol, brother….(((credentialed relationship advice)))

      Put 2 & 2 together and you will understand why there is so much bad advice.

      And really, why on earth does any society needs relationship advice, when men and women have been getting together for centuries and centuries just fine. You’d think by now we instinctively should know how deal with each other one way or another.

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      • I hear you. Why does any society need relationship advice? Ideally, it wouldn’t. That kind of knowledge should be something that is passed down from generation to generation and permeates society and culture. But that hasn’t happened. In fact the opposite. Most of what permeates society today are lies and perversions.

        Trying to figure everything out yourself by trial and error is such a waste of time and energy. And the consequences of getting it wrong can be dire.

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      • Plus, I think the instinct of most guys is wrong. I think most guys (betas) operate under the assumption that they will be rewarded for treating women the way that they (the men) would like to be treated.

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    • Here let me help:

      1. Respect her…but only when she pleases you, otherwise correct her for her priority is you and ultimately your offspring.
      2. Remove the conditions for your love…for there’s only one condition: her utter submission to your will.
      3. Listen to her…for the safeword.
      4. Don’t be a jerk…be an enlightened jerk who understands that you never stop seducing her.
      5. Never take her for granted…at least not all the time; only ignore her a third of the time, but only if you want a LTR.

      Hope that helps.

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  5. I agree with this, but I think they would disagree because of a definitional mismatch. What you are defining as a “bitch” is basically them, feminist, blue haired, hairy-armpitted, etc. What they would define as a bitch isn’t them, it’s more what we would probably call “high-maintenance.” You know, head-cheerleader, Beverly Hills movie star, diva pop singer, that type of bitch.

    I think they’ll miss the point just because of this definition mismatch. I don’t think it matters, because a bitch is basically in the eye of the beholder. But I think it would matter to them.

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  6. It’s not that craziness increases with hotness. It doesn’t really. But the amount of craziness most guys will put up with increases with hotness.

    [CH: good point. it’s a restriction of range problem. crazy hot chicks are more conspicuous because men don’t ignore them.]

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    • exactly my point above. each guy has his own ideal craziness:attractiveness ratio.

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    • Also, a crazy hot chick is more likely to — make herself available to an average joe than a non-crazy one.

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    • Being with a hot/crazy women is sorta like slow motion self-immolation. A hot bpd’er prides herself on this affect she has on men. The more alpha the man she can take down that way – the higher the pride. Perverse negative feedback loops abound in her domain.

      But here is the kicker – all women share paler versions of these bpd traits. It’s a matter of degree. It’s ‘I dare you to save me from myself. But if you sincerely try – you will be the one needing saving buddy’. As such, the superficial is the woman’s prerogative, and as such, is their default position, despite appearances (ruses) otherwise. Women generally are not out there actually off’ing themselves after all (but sometimes threatening to do so – superficial-like).

      A woman seeking comfort on your shoulder might feel good, but watch out – you gotta see it for what it is – a behavior borne of a superficial default nature. In some ways that behavior is about gainsaying comfort.

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    • Sometimes I wonder whether what is going on is that women are actually jealous of what men have, a man’s masculinity – and therefore act the way they do out of perverse jealousy. It sure seems like that to me sometimes.

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      • it’s definitely an act in many cases, where they’re conscious of it or not. the angst is real, but the self-destructive “I just can’t control myself” is often just another form of attention-seeking.

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      • *whether they’re…

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      • plumpjack – yes – and if you intrigue her and she starts up with you, her angst is borne of jealousy, with false-resolution of that jealousy attempted by way of fantasy.

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    • It’s like a woman is in intrigue/jealousy/fantasy all wrapped together, with regards to men. If you don’t fuel her intrigue – you are dismissed as inconsequential because you therefore do not serve as a tool with respect to her self-affirmation needs. But if you do fuel her intrigue she becomes jealous of what she doesn’t understand and does not possess – your masculinity. Then she goes on to create a fantasy world for herself whereby she usurps for herself, her false conception of said dominating masculinity. That’s what is seems like to me.

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  7. Kind of disingenuous. Nice girls win IF they are attractive. When feminists or women in general complain of men liking crazy women, it’s usually in comparison to average/ugly women. I used to complain of this in high school. I used to say all the guys like the crazy/mental girls. The real issue was they liked them because they were hot. The craziness was just extra.

    [CH: no doubt the bitches who get a lot of men have to be very hot to compensate for their shitty personalities. nicegirls win against bitches when matched for looks. i would bet nicegirls even win when they are one smv point lower in looks. bitches only “win” when they are significantly hotter and sluttier than their nicegirl competition, but since there are at least as many hot nicegirls as their are hot bitches the point is moot, and we’re back to the original conclusion: nicegirls win, bitches lose. the one countervailing factor that bitches use to their advantage is sluttiness. nicegirls don’t do slutty, so they will lose the men just looking for an easy lay. bitches can compete better against nicegirls by advertising their willingness to fuck without strings attached. this is a potent defensive tactic.]

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    • “bitches only “win” when they are significantly hotter and sluttier than their nicegirl competition”

      in many cases i think being a lot sluttier is enough. especially true for your average dude who will do almost anything for a steady stream of sex and has lost hope that he can get it from a better girl.

      i see a whole hell of a lot of men with bitchy women that are far from hot. only thing that makes sense to me is that the women were easy lays so the men got sucked in without thinking straight.

      from a woman’s perspective, getting an average dude who will put up with your bitchy personality and average looks in hopes of getting occasional pity sex isn’t winning though.

      winning would mean getting a high quality man who won’t put up with your shit and drives you mad with desire. that kind of winning is reserved for the best girls, the hot ones with good personalities.

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  8. A conjecture regarding the natural response of women to nice guys and jerkboys. If we move our perspective to the distant prehistoric past, could this response be a very logical survival maneuver?

    In any confrontation with a male, the female can not physically win a fight. She literally has only the provision of food or sex as a defense with sex as the top weapon. Her use of these defenses would presumably be in proportion to the level of threat she faces. A friendly accommodating male is not a threat, and does not have to defended against. He can however be useful in achieving daily tasks. So the friend zone evolves to keep him within earshot, but the big guns are not required. No tingle, and little if any sex. OTOH, a rampaging alpha male is an immediate threat, and must be appeased at all costs lest he kill both the female and her young offspring. Being an alpha male, a snack and a hint of friendship will not suffice to deter him. Only the most potent weapon in the arsenal is effective. Hence, immediate assume-the-position tingle for aggressive, violent males.

    Thoughts?

    [CH: so the pussy as pacifier theory? could be true.]

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    • “Thoughts?”

      Water is wet. We are on the third largest inhabitable from the the sun. The moon affects tidal motion.

      This is such basic elementary understanding of human nature it is similar to the statements above. Only the last 50 or so years of grrrlpower has tried to say otherwise. The thing is you cannot erase 100,000 years of genetic evolution on a non-geological timeline. Sorry sugar tits. Keep trying…

      We need a HARD global reset. This gynocracy only exists because of the largesse of the West. You noticed that women from 3rd world countries aren’t crying about the patriarchy and toxic masculinity? Why? They’d like to live until the end of the week…

      The same ones yelling the loudest now would be the first in line for to get some “toxic masculinity” shot into their snatch so their offspring would survive in a world of scarcity and limited resources which was most of human history.

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  9. interesting that no one has commented on this yet.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/two-people-arrested-suv-mows-14-pedestrians-outside-melbourne-train-station-082442701.html

    the comments at least show some glimmers of hope. I remember that 10 years ago any online discussion would never move past the point of accusing religion overall and studiously bypassing the more obvious issue. now no one seems reluctant to associate muslims with terrorism. maybe it will be another 10 years before people start to actually take matters in their own hands. if it’s not too late by then

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  10. This post hits on an important point which aligns with real-world experience. If you’re overly nice, engaging, and accomodating to a girl in an initial interaction, showing a lot of interest and asking her questions, you might notice that she’ll actually qualify and shit-test you *harder.* You’ve unwittingly put yourself in a box that you now have to get out of. This is rough justice for the nice guy – he shows genuine interest in the girl and in return gets a shit sandwich for his troubles.

    I see this on dating apps a lot and I think men make this mistake a lot when they think they’re running “text game.”

    The more you tell, the more you repel.

    [CH: that last line is great. very quotable]

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  11. 8-10s are used to getting everything they want because there’s always a guy willing to give it to her. Sometimes what passes as crazy is a complete lack of understanding for the concept of ‘no.’

    I knew a blonde girl in college with a very pretty face and smoking body. If I’d ever met a nice girl in my life, she was it. She was also exceptionally looked over because she was so nice her company felt like she was your sister. I didn’t really notice her in memory until I was in my early 30s, which by coincidence was when I was starting a family. She was perfect wife material, stranded in her youth by peers who were nowhere near ready to wife someone up. In hindsight, every guy around her, from bad boy to beta, treated her like an expensive antique vase that wasn’t to be toyed with lest it damage her. It’s the only time I’d ever seen that.

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    • This is very true. When a hottie is use to male compliance then encounters male resistance, what in reality is simply shock and disdain for someone challenging her entitlement appears to men as “crazy.”

      Often, they don’t find themselves opposed since supplicating chumps are more than happy to bend the knee, so when someone essentially flips the scrip it can trigger a deranged response.

      To be honest, this point is a big deal I find. These chumps are making life more difficult because they are creating a slave culture to attractive women and if you don’t comply, no man should, they can throw a bitch fit and move on or simply make you move on. I think this is at the source of the “constantly single hot girl” who over years becomes entrenched in this bitch mentality that all men must comply to her will. What those women don’t understand in their teens and 20s is that the men who don’t comply are the ones they want.

      I find this phenomenon occurring more and more with young millennial and Gen Z women who approach daily life like a dating app or social media. Where men can be blocked and on to the next guy to extract goods from.

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      • I think this is at the source of the “constantly single hot girl” who over years becomes entrenched in this bitch mentality that all men must comply to her will. What those women don’t understand in their teens and 20s is that the men who don’t comply are the ones they want.

        Closely related to this are the girls who go through a succession of betabitch boyfriends. Or worse, those who m4rry them and go full-on alpha fux beta bux.

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      • depends on the girl though

        some girls will freak out and be bitchy or crazy when a strong man lays down the law and takes charge. she will shit test you to death, cheat, constantly jockey for the power position, etc.

        other girls will be relieved and grateful to have that same strong man and eagerly submit to him.

        nothing in life is one size fits all

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  12. “She was also exceptionally looked over because she was so nice her company felt like she was your sister.”

    I really, reeeeally don’t believe this.

    Unless… perhaps, she was always nice in a completely asexual way, never showing attraction to or even flirting with any of the men she hung around with.

    IOW, she behaved like an attractive m4rried woman, and so even the badboys assumed she had a long-distance alpha boyfriend.

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    • She wasn’t flirtatious. No giggling, hair twirling or light touching. There were other girls like this though that guys at least hit on. No one in class made a move on her, she never had a boyfriend as far as I knew. She wasn’t gay.

      I remember once seeing her in an off campus pub, guys all in their 20s, not everyone from our college (or even students). She stood alone to the side all night and no one approached her, no one talked to her, she left alone after a few hours. We were in the same course for three years, that night was the first time I really noticed her because it was so unusual. She was a one off as far as my personal observations go.

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      • Yeah, okay, that sounds weird. I would have definitely at least said hello to her if she was alone for that long.

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      • you say she was nice so maybe she was too boring for people to be interested in her?

        i’ve known girls who were sweet but not interesting or animated at all. like pulling teeth to keep a conversation going with them.

        hot or not, if a girl is a dud or flat personality wise, i lose interest pretty fast.

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      • and if no one was approaching her as you say, she could have been putting off a bad vibe making people think she didn’t want them approaching.

        that can happen unintentionally with very introverted girls. they can seem stuck up or aloof when in actuality, they are just super shy.

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      • Maybe what Cracker said: very introverted? One-word answers and unable to keep a conversation going?

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      • @ Cracker

        She didn’t have a bad vibe. It was more like an Obi-Wan invisibility of “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for.” I said this was the only time I’d seen that from a good looking girl, as it took me a couple years to really notice her. Thinking about it now, it’s quite possible to have crossed paths with others and never noticed that I never noticed.

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      • Very weird live action fantasy that you’re spinning. I can’t figure it out, maybe you’re just dreaming aloud. The “smoking bod” girl that repelled men. You wish. Not true. No hot girl gets ignored in the land of thirst and obesity. Weird and fappish to me. I feel violated that you lured us into discussing your favorite fap mental schema. Kinda gross

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      • @ melmoth

        Heh, maybe. On the other hand, you weren’t there, making you an unmarried marriage counselor in this case.

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    • My wife was/is like this. Super sweet, innocent, lovely, 7.5. Guys would hit on her and she wouldn’t even realize it. They still do and she still doesn’t.

      Our timing when we met was perfect. I was smitten by another girl at the time and was thus ZFG around future wife. In her own words, she admits that she felt the need to compete with the other girl over me.

      She was a virgin when we married and quickly became multiorgasmic (she’s had more than I have!–adjusted for fapping, that is).

      Unicorns do exist. Or did.

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    • My wife was/is like this: a super sweet, innocent, lovely 7.5. Guys would hit on her and she wouldn’t even realize it. They still do and she still doesn’t.

      Our timing when we met was perfect. I was smitten by another girl at the time and was thus ZFG around future wife. In her own words, she admits that she felt the need to compete with the other girl over me.

      She was a vîrgin when we mårried and quickly became multiôrgasmic (she’s had more than I have!–adjusted for fåpping, that is).

      Unicorns do exist. Or did.

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  13. In case anyone thought that they would be save because they are men. Better start growing those beards.

    – Islamic preacher in Turkey says men without beards may cause ‘indecent thoughts’ –

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/islamic-preacher-in-turkey-says-men-without-beards-may-cause-indecent-thoughts-124306

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    • on December 21, 2017 at 4:23 pm Meistergedanken

      “Better start growing those beards.”
      Please stop telling us what to do. You’re quite the font of info and advice that no one asked for. Why don’t you start your own blog, instead of high jacking this one with incessant distractions? I would patronize it whenever I am in the mood for cultural doom p()rn.

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      • Humorous expressions using sarcasm as a mechanism are beyond your comprehension it seems. Let me lower the intellectual level for you a bit. Please regale us with your latest conquest of poon, tell us all your alpha moves, and how you dealt with the associate STD’s. I’m sure your input will be greatly appreciated.

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      • on December 22, 2017 at 12:43 pm meistergedanken

        “Humorous expressions…”

        See, that’s part of the problem; you persistently labor under the delusion that your irrelevant drive-by posts and banal commentary are humorous, when in fact they are merely tedious. Tedium and comedy don’t mix well.

        “Please regale us with your latest conquest of poon, tell us all your alpha moves, and how you dealt with the associate STD’s.”

        Nice bit of projection there, loser, but I’ve been happily married for ten years.

        So I tried the polite way, making the mistaken assumption that you might possess a modicum of class, and requested that you alter the inappropriate behavior that many others here have already remarked on, and you get all defensive like a bitch. Sad.

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    • If he’s a non-Westerner, it’s unlikely he thinks women are turned on by the same things men are, so I’m guessing he’s gay.

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    • dawg who cares

      worst demoralization agent ever

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  14. Placating women will only cause her to discard of you faster than she normally would have. Most men are under the mistaken assumption that indulging a woman’s every request will ingratiate themselves into her wet hole. When in fact, it will ensure he never gets near it. I would like to present a real world example.

    A convo between me and my ex regarding her new man.

    S: how are things going with Mr X?
    Ex: Not sure how long it is going to last. He always says yes to everything I want to do. That is why I miss hanging out with you. You would always say no if you did not want to do something. You were always a challenge

    Girl#2
    “That is why I like you so much, because you are a challenge!!”

    I have never and will never forget those words. Those convos were apart of my red-pilling. It all makes sense to me now how women view supplicating men as weak. Women hate hate hate weakness! Even more than they hate a guy with an empty wallet.

    Another great post CH Always thoroughly informative and entertaining.

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    • This may be YUGE. It seems to give the Prez power to seize assets of ANYBODY who is deemed to be an abuser of human rights (say, Saudi), or corrupt (say, Clinton or anybody else in the establishment aka swamp). May even apply to corporations like goolag or faceborg.

      Potentially YUGE.

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  15. One thing I’ve found to be almost universally true with chicks is that they’ll acquiesce to the intial frame you set in the interaction and mirror back that frame to you.

    This is where nice guys get railroaded. Very few women will respond with rudeness to a responsive, engaging guy pursuing them with politeness, especially if he meets her minimum standards of physical attractiveness. She’ll be engaging and polite in return most of the time because she’s taking his lead.

    If you frame the interaction as you being the chaser or that you’re somehow behind the 8-ball and she’s the prize, female nature will ENSURE she *dutifully* takes up the role as the chasee. To add insult to injury she’ll then manufacture a whole bunch of nice guy hoops she wouldn’t dream of putting in front of jerkboy.

    The nice guy gets screwed twice, and not in the way he wants.

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  16. Makes you think about why women try to keep Niceguys “Nice”:

    To Keep them useful?

    Because they don’t think they can change so don’t say anything that could make them feel bad?

    Reflexive virtue signaling?

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    • Because fish do not teach fishermen how to catch a fish. So they can keep niceguys at dark while exploiting them, at the same time enjoying being fished by fishermen who get it. More, majority of them do not know what turns them on and those who know will not share it with niceguys who do not get it. You do not give PIN code from your VISA card around.

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  17. CH: “I give and give and give, like the humanitarian I am, and yet all I get is grief from the gatekeepers of socially approved discourse. It wounds me deeply!”

    SMV points slippage depending on who is reading. And such thoughts can’t be good. PURGE! PURGE! Get hold of yerself!

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  18. CH, here is a documentary about wolves.

    I’ve forwarded to the part on topic. The females go into heat and the alpha has to choose which one he will mate with. He has 2 choices, who happen to be sisters. The assertive, aggressive Grey Female Alpha (GFA). Or the shy, submissive Black Female Omega (BFO). A few interesting bits:

    1. The beta is disciplining the females, and being especially aggressive towards GFA. The Beta acts like the court eunuch keeping the harem in line

    2. The Alpha DGAF. He’s playing in the snow. (If you watch the full documentary you will see at the beginning that he establishes himself as alpha not because of his size or age, but because his attitude.)

    3. The Alpha makes his choice. It’s the BFO. Social rank within the female group has no bearing on the Alpha, as he completely disregards their status. He goes forshy and submissive. He knows that the mate he chooses will automatically become the Alpha Female in the pack by association, not the petty games the females play between them.

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  19. Damn wordpress eating up my comments

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  20. Off topic but a site had a pic of mostly white communists (actual commies with flag) and a few Indian shitskins mixed in. All of the white males looks low-t. Is that a good test for sick ideologies in men is a t-count? At least in whites?

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